Scotch Whisky In Sherry Casks

[pointer]

That's irrelevant because all parts of sherry are asur, not just the grape traces. For example, Sherry has water in it. The water from the sherry would be asur too

Just pointed out that

Sherry isnt a flavor its stuck in the wood and the cask doesn’t let out or absorb more of once its used

is incorrect.

[ushdadude]

Just pointed out that is incorrect.

Got it. I think he sent it to the lab trying to prove that the sherry is batul. Rabbi lebowitz pointed out the problem with that

[pointer]

Got it. I think he sent it to the lab trying to prove that the sherry is batul. Rabbi lebowitz pointed out the problem with that

Yup. And yet he still stuck to his lab test to prove bitul
Would a lab detect traces of chicken on a metal spoon that fell into chicken soup?! why can't he realize that halacha doesn't work this way!
He keeps going in circles.

[aygart]

Got it. I think he sent it to the lab trying to prove that the sherry is batul.

oy

[Yehuda57]

IIRC David Lichtenstein sent sherry cask scotch to a lab to see if there is any traces of grape, and they were able to find grape traces (A very small amount though, I think 1 in 5000 or something.)

Would discerning something in a lab mean it's definitely adding flavor?

[pointer]

Would discerning something in a lab mean it's definitely adding flavor?

it proves the the cask does let out traces of whatever it held before.
As far as taste goes, ask any expert, or taste it. 

[Yehuda57]

I should listen to his show first but the whole lab thing seems weird. I'm fairly certain no rov uses such methodology to discern nosen taam, even though that would be the easiest thing to do.

[aygart]

Would discerning something in a lab mean it's definitely adding flavor?

I should listen to his show first but the whole lab thing seems weird. I'm fairly certain no rov uses such methodology to discern nosen taam, even though that would be the easiest thing to do.

Yup it is mostly irrelevant and am haaretzish to my it into the discussion at all

[elazarmn]

I should listen to his show first but the whole lab thing seems weird. I'm fairly certain no rov uses such methodology to discern nosen taam, even though that would be the easiest thing to do.

The big kashrus pros like rabbi kuber and others in worldwide kashrus, most definitely need to know the reasons and methodology.

Such as cheerios are oven dried not cooked. Why should you care? If they were cooked than you MAY have to wash on your breakfast bowl...

That was something that was needed to be milked out of GM since they didn’t want to release there method

Kashrus is very complex and honestly everyone should find a kashrus pro to ask all their Qs to. I have an email that i ask all mine and get answered within 24hrs.

[Euclid]

Yup it is mostly irrelevant and am haaretzish to my it into the discussion at all

I know you're not calling him an am haaretz, but just to clear up any misunderstanding - David Lichtenstein is quite a talmid chacham (regardless what some may think of his political leanings etc. etc.)

[Yehuda57]

The big kashrus pros like rabbi kuber and others in worldwide kashrus, most definitely need to know the reasons and methodology.

Such as cheerios are oven dried not cooked. Why should you care? If they were cooked than you MAY have to wash on your breakfast bowl...

That was something that was needed to be milked out of GM since they didn’t want to release there method

Kashrus is very complex and honestly everyone should find a kashrus pro to ask all their Qs to. I have an email that i ask all mine and get answered within 24hrs.

I agree with you a million percent. My father's being doing this for 40 years. I grew up in house with these discussions happening all the time, including talk of lab tests.

But your post has nothing to do with what I said, that I've never heard of any rov using lab testing to discern nosen taam or bitul.

[elazarmn]

it proves the the cask does let out traces of whatever it held before.
As far as taste goes, ask any expert, or taste it. 

Funny you ask. In Yeshiva we actually called up a few master distillers and they all gave us different answers
Its not a clear answer why they do it. We even were told that its a marketing technique to charge more since they get to use an old cask and make it sound like your getting something better

[elazarmn]

I agree with you a million percent. My father's being doing this for 40 years. I grew up in house with these discussions happening all the time, including talk of lab tests.

But your post has nothing to do with what I said, that I've never heard of any rov using lab testing to discern nosen taam or bitul.

I dont have it in writing anywhere but you can contact rabbi kallus who has a sefer on this and he has the test results, i saw them personally in israel
I have also spoken to a few Rabbonim who actually drink it themselves but say they wouldn’t put it out at a simcha

[aygart]

I know you're not calling him an am haaretz, but just to clear up any misunderstanding - David Lichtenstein is quite a talmid chacham (regardless what some may think of his political leanings etc. etc.)

I have nothing to say either way about him the person, but I I have no clue.

[pointer]

I should listen to his show first but the whole lab thing seems weird. I'm fairly certain no rov uses such methodology to discern nosen taam, even though that would be the easiest thing to do.

IIRC David Lichtenstein sent sherry cask scotch to a lab to see if there is any traces of grape, and they were able to find grape traces (A very small amount though, I think 1 in 5000 or something.)

ETA Listen from 18:16
http://podcast.headlinesbook.com/e/3417-kashrus-of-sherry-casks-and-whiskey-rerun-dangers-of-drinking-on-purim/

It's just a couple of minutes, you do not need to listen to the whole show.

[AsherO]

We even were told that its a marketing technique to charge more since they get to use an old cask and make it sound like your getting something better

If this was true why would they tell you that?

“Our product is a gimmick but it pads our bottom line...”

[JlmBoi]

I have an email that i ask all mine and get answered within 24hrs.

נו זיי מהנה די עוילעם

[Yehuda57]

If this was true why would they tell you that?

“Our product is a gimmick but it pads our bottom line...”

A) Plenty of companies let you in on marketing techniques, and even gimmicks that you know are gimmicks will still get you.

B) The experts don't have to be from the company. They could be outside experts letting you know that it's a gimmick.

[aygart]

נו זיי מהנה די עוילעם

He probably wants it to stay that way

[yzj]

I know you're not calling him an am haaretz, but just to clear up any misunderstanding - David Lichtenstein is quite a talmid chacham (regardless what some may think of his political leanings etc. etc.)

He knows a lot. He can quote many shittos and teshuvos. That does not mean his shows don’t have an agenda and try to push rabbanim to positions they aren’t comfortable with. Knowing a lot is not a guarantee that someone won’t incorporate krum de’os. Whether his shows do is something you can decide for yourself. Listen to several of his shows such as the ones on  tznius guidelines and to’eva relationships and get a feel for his de’os and then decide if his shittos should carry weight with you.

We don’t ok the use of treif stainless steel just because a lab says there is no ta’am.