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Title: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: MrKaplan on January 10, 2019, 10:28:43 AM
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/general/1660174/hate-is-in-the-air-spirit-airways-steward-calls-jewish-family-those-retarded-jews-on-nightmare-flight.html
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: username on January 10, 2019, 10:30:48 AM
Friends don't let friends go on Theyeshivaworld.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: MrKaplan on January 10, 2019, 10:31:30 AM
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/general/1660174/hate-is-in-the-air-spirit-airways-steward-calls-jewish-family-those-retarded-jews-on-nightmare-flight.html
Alol
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: AJK on January 10, 2019, 10:38:56 AM
The odds that this story happened exactly the way it was reported approaches zero.

Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: chff on January 10, 2019, 11:41:52 AM
can the name "Stewardess" be retired?
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: gingyguy on January 10, 2019, 11:57:58 AM
can the name "Stewardess" be retired?
belongs here ;D
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=32453.0;topicseen
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: as2 on January 10, 2019, 04:09:16 PM
The odds that this story happened exactly the way it was reported approaches zero.
For this possibly mistaken, it approaches zero from below zero, not above.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: ADG on January 10, 2019, 04:21:51 PM
why are you so quick to judge. This family was surly traumatized and they should hire a lawyer and sue the spirit out of this stupid airline.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: metsgiantsfan on January 10, 2019, 04:47:26 PM
why are you so quick to judge. This family was surly traumatized and they should hire a lawyer and sue the spirit out of this stupid airline.

who said this family wasnt at fault.  investigation needs to be done..I cant imagine the airline just made stuff up..I wont judge anyone till facts are out
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: coralsnake on January 10, 2019, 09:58:27 PM
https://nypost.com/2019/01/10/spirit-airlines-turned-our-flight-into-an-anti-semitic-nightmare-couple/
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: yitzgar on January 10, 2019, 10:22:33 PM
who said this family wasnt at fault.  investigation needs to be done..I cant imagine the airline just made stuff up..I wont judge anyone till facts are out
Who ever heard of an airline making stuff up?
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Emkay on January 11, 2019, 02:41:07 AM
Who ever heard of an airline making stuff up?
Who ever heard of YWN making stuff up?
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: myi on January 11, 2019, 03:02:43 AM
Who ever heard of YWN making stuff up?
https://nypost.com/2019/01/10/spirit-airlines-turned-our-flight-into-an-anti-semitic-nightmare-couple/
They're not alone here.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: YitzyS on January 11, 2019, 10:18:32 AM
Does anyone know who it happened to? Presumably not a DDFer, because any DDFer would know better than to fly spirit...
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Coinguy on January 12, 2019, 09:44:34 PM
Does anyone know who it happened to? Presumably not a DDFer, because any DDFer would know better than to fly spirit...


I know who this happened to, and the story is quite accurate.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: knowitall on January 25, 2019, 01:21:45 PM
Curious if there has been any update to this story?
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Yehudaa on May 09, 2019, 10:23:30 AM
.....and they're suing.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article230124544.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/2019/05/08/spirit-airlines-sued-orthodox-jewish-couple-over-anti-semitism/1140642001/
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Boruch Parnes on May 09, 2019, 10:26:46 AM
I wonder if its gonna get anywhere or their just going to settle
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Yehudaa on May 09, 2019, 10:28:23 AM
I wonder if its gonna get anywhere or their just going to settle
Settling also usually gets you somewhere :)
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: YitzyS on May 09, 2019, 02:05:48 PM
I wonder if its gonna get anywhere or their just going to settle
With Spirit, even if you get somewhere, it's three hours late and in a tiny seat without any drinks.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: chayie on July 01, 2019, 12:29:45 AM
is flying Spirit REALLY not recommended?
There's a super cheap fare from Orlando to Newark, but if it's a bad idea, I won't do it.
Would love some insight, please.

TIA
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Proisrael on July 01, 2019, 02:43:41 AM
is flying Spirit REALLY not recommended?
There's a super cheap fare from Orlando to Newark, but if it's a bad idea, I won't do it.
Would love some insight, please.

TIA

If your expectations are for a cheap seat to Newark and nothing else then go for it. If you are expecting a high quality seat and expedience then stay away. It is all in your expectations.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: ckmk47 on July 01, 2019, 02:53:00 AM
Also, low cost carriers don't have any deals with other airlines.  So if something goes wrong with your flight, they won't seat you on another airline.
These airlines often have tight schedules and fewer planes. So a plane may fly from MIA to NYC and then back again and again.  If something goes wrong, you just have to wait for the plane to be fixed or whatever, they don't have a replacement one to take up the slack.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Luvisrael on July 09, 2020, 04:08:59 PM
Why in heavens name are they sending recipes??
(https://i.postimg.cc/3N20mvwC/73-EE3-FF8-BAE5-4-FE6-8-E05-54-A03-EA9-F319.png) (https://postimg.cc/Wqb4Ptgh)

(https://i.postimg.cc/k40t2c7g/A847-FA41-C301-4-BE5-AD6-C-3-B2547-B85772.png) (https://postimg.cc/2bx5Jnqs)
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Mikes@Micro on July 09, 2020, 04:39:16 PM
@Luvisrael Kayak has been doing that for months.
Some marketing expert decided this is the best way to keep the brand in your mind and wet your appetite for travel.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: YitzyS on July 09, 2020, 05:08:29 PM
Why in heavens name are they sending recipes??
(https://i.postimg.cc/3N20mvwC/73-EE3-FF8-BAE5-4-FE6-8-E05-54-A03-EA9-F319.png) (https://postimg.cc/Wqb4Ptgh)

(https://i.postimg.cc/k40t2c7g/A847-FA41-C301-4-BE5-AD6-C-3-B2547-B85772.png) (https://postimg.cc/2bx5Jnqs)
Maybe because they don't want you to starve to death waiting for their delays. They surely are not giving you actual food.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: ad120 on July 09, 2020, 05:10:38 PM
Also, low cost carriers don't have any deals with other airlines.  So if something goes wrong with your flight, they won't seat you on another airline.
These airlines often have tight schedules and fewer planes. So a plane may fly from MIA to NYC and then back again and again.  If something goes wrong, you just have to wait for the plane to be fixed or whatever, they don't have a replacement one to take up the slack.
-1
Frontier will reimburse you for up to $200 of a ticket purchase on a different airline.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: pomy100 on July 09, 2020, 05:51:31 PM
Can someone please redirect me to the BOYCOTT FRKN EL AL page
Thanks
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Shlomo1 on July 10, 2020, 10:27:22 AM
-1
Frontier will reimburse you for up to $200 of a ticket purchase on a different airline.

Interesting. Never heard that before. I was always hesitant to fly for that reason
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: ad120 on July 13, 2020, 12:08:12 AM
Interesting. Never heard that before. I was always hesitant to fly for that reason
We're sorry that we've had to cancel your flight 1258 from MCO - Orlando, FL to EWR - Newark, NJ on July, 03 2020. We apologize for this inconvenience and the impact to your travel plans.

To assist with your travel, we've put together some options:

Option #1 – Up to $200 for travel on another airline
If you prefer, we'll reimburse up to $200 per traveler for travel on another airline within 72 hours.

Here's how it works: To purchase your tickets within the next 24 hours for one-way travel to be completed within 72 hours, please visit https://rebook.tripeasy.com, using your Last Name and Frontier confirmation code to login. Then, book and pay for your one-way travel. Within 14 business days, a reimbursement check will be mailed to the address you provide on the payment page of the booking process.

Option #2 – Full credit for your ticket + a $100 Frontier voucher per traveler
If you prefer to travel with Frontier at another time, we'll provide you with full credit for the unused value of your Frontier ticket plus a $100 voucher per traveler valid for future travel with Frontier.

Your credit will be sent to you within one week, and will be available for use for booking future travel on Frontier for 90 days from the date the credit was issued; your future travel does not need to be completed within 90 days
Your voucher(s) will be sent to you within one week, and will be valid for redemption through December 31, 2020; your future travel does not need to be completed by December 31
Voucher(s) and credits are valid for one-time use in booking future air travel on Frontier; Voucher(s) are applicable to ticket fare only, and not to taxes or fees

Here's how it works: Submit a request for your credit and voucher at http://bit.ly/FrontierReimburse and select "Credit and Voucher" from the drop-down menu.

Option #3 – Up to $200 for alternative transportation
If you prefer, we'll reimburse you up to $200 for alternative transportation (i.e. car rental, train).

Here's how it works: Submit a copy of your receipt(s) within 30 days of your original travel date to http://bit.ly/FrontierReimburse and select "Other Reimbursement" from the drop-down menu.

Option #4 – Refund
Here's how it works: Submit a copy of your receipt(s) within 30 days of your original travel date to http://bit.ly/FrontierReimburse and select "Refund" from the drop-down menu.

If you are at the airport, please be sure to collect all checked luggage prior to leaving the airport or before checking in with another airline.
Once again, we apologize for this disruption to your travel plans.
We hope you will give us the opportunity to welcome you onboard a future Frontier flight.

Sincerely,

Team Frontier
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: ad120 on July 13, 2020, 12:08:58 AM
We're sorry that we've had to cancel your flight 1258 from MCO - Orlando, FL to EWR - Newark, NJ on July, 03 2020. We apologize for this inconvenience and the impact to your travel plans.

To assist with your travel, we've put together some options:

Option #1 – Up to $200 for travel on another airline
If you prefer, we'll reimburse up to $200 per traveler for travel on another airline within 72 hours.

Here's how it works: To purchase your tickets within the next 24 hours for one-way travel to be completed within 72 hours, please visit https://rebook.tripeasy.com, using your Last Name and Frontier confirmation code to login. Then, book and pay for your one-way travel. Within 14 business days, a reimbursement check will be mailed to the address you provide on the payment page of the booking process.

Option #2 – Full credit for your ticket + a $100 Frontier voucher per traveler
If you prefer to travel with Frontier at another time, we'll provide you with full credit for the unused value of your Frontier ticket plus a $100 voucher per traveler valid for future travel with Frontier.

Your credit will be sent to you within one week, and will be available for use for booking future travel on Frontier for 90 days from the date the credit was issued; your future travel does not need to be completed within 90 days
Your voucher(s) will be sent to you within one week, and will be valid for redemption through December 31, 2020; your future travel does not need to be completed by December 31
Voucher(s) and credits are valid for one-time use in booking future air travel on Frontier; Voucher(s) are applicable to ticket fare only, and not to taxes or fees

Here's how it works: Submit a request for your credit and voucher at http://bit.ly/FrontierReimburse and select "Credit and Voucher" from the drop-down menu.

Option #3 – Up to $200 for alternative transportation
If you prefer, we'll reimburse you up to $200 for alternative transportation (i.e. car rental, train).

Here's how it works: Submit a copy of your receipt(s) within 30 days of your original travel date to http://bit.ly/FrontierReimburse and select "Other Reimbursement" from the drop-down menu.

Option #4 – Refund
Here's how it works: Submit a copy of your receipt(s) within 30 days of your original travel date to http://bit.ly/FrontierReimburse and select "Refund" from the drop-down menu.

If you are at the airport, please be sure to collect all checked luggage prior to leaving the airport or before checking in with another airline.
Once again, we apologize for this disruption to your travel plans.
We hope you will give us the opportunity to welcome you onboard a future Frontier flight.

Sincerely,

Team Frontier
I don't know if that's standard procedure or just covid procedure.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: YitzyS on July 13, 2020, 08:19:36 AM
Maybe it's time for another letter to Spirit (https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=62763.msg1474810#msg1474810)? Maybe it will bring 11-post @Tim back to respond (https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=62763.msg1483708#msg1483708) again...
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: ad120 on July 14, 2020, 01:32:57 AM

(https://i.postimg.cc/1RG5KRG1/IMG-20200713-205123125.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8sCSpSXZ)
Flew LGA-FLL tonight.
With this kid of legroom, who needs a private jet?
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Shlomo1 on July 14, 2020, 11:19:06 AM
Ha That's only bc you managed to get an Exit seat
(https://i.postimg.cc/1RG5KRG1/IMG-20200713-205123125.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8sCSpSXZ)
Flew LGA-FLL tonight.
With this kid of legroom, who needs a private jet?
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: ad120 on July 14, 2020, 12:59:47 PM
Ha That's only bc you managed to get an Exit seat
Actually, there were too many empty rows to count. I didn't "manage" to get an exit row. I asked nicely once on board.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: YitzyS on July 14, 2020, 01:12:13 PM
Actually, there were too many empty rows to count. I didn't "manage" to get an exit row. I asked nicely once on board.

BREAKING: SPIRIT EMPLOYEE GRANTS COURTESY

An employee of Spirit Airlines allegedly granted a request from a passenger, the Associated Press reported.

The unnamed passenger reportedly asked if they can be moved to an open exit row. In a move heralded by civil rights leaders as a once-in-a-lifetime milestone, the crew member granted the courtesy, allowing the passenger to have the empty seat and enjoy the accompanying extra leg-room.

"Since women got their right to vote, I don't think there has been any single act that has encapsulated the advent in human rights as much as this one," the ADL and the NAACP said in a joint statement.

The employee was immediately fired from his job, with the airline citing a violation of policy as the cause.

"We don't give anything for free," Spirit CEO Edward Christie told reporters. "This employee risked the reputation of our company for a senseless act. He should never have been hired."
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: ad120 on July 14, 2020, 01:13:52 PM
BREAKING: SPIRIT EMPLOYEE GRANTS COURTESY

An employee of Spirit Airlines allegedly granted a request from a passenger, the Associated Press reported.

The unnamed passenger reportedly asked if they can be moved to an open exit row. In a move heralded by civil rights leaders as a once-in-a-lifetime milestone, the crew member granted the courtesy, allowing the passenger to have the empty seat and enjoy the accompanying extra leg-room.

"Since women got their right to vote, I don't think there has been any single act that has encapsulated the advent in human rights as much as this one," the ADL and the NAACP said in a joint statement.

The employee was immediately fired from his job, with the airline citing a violation of policy as the cause.

"We don't give anything for free," Spirit CEO Edward Christie told reporters. "This employee risked the reputation of our company for a senseless act. He should never have been hired."
How many times have you flown spirit?
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: YitzyS on July 14, 2020, 01:34:50 PM
How many times have you flown spirit?
Never. My friends didn't let me.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: ad120 on July 14, 2020, 01:44:51 PM
Never
I figured you haven't flown them.
I don't think you should be mouthing off against something that you never experienced. You have multiple post on this thread that are very harsh. You insinuate from your posts that you have flown spirit and have had only disastrous experiences. Don't speak negatively about something that you don't know about.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Muhammad on July 14, 2020, 01:47:39 PM
I figured you haven't flown them.
I don't think you should be mouthing off against something that you never experienced. You have multiple post on this thread that are very harsh. You insinuate from your posts that you have flown spirit and have had only disastrous experiences. Don't speak negatively about something that you don't know about.
no need to take this personal
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Dan on July 14, 2020, 01:48:21 PM
I figured you haven't flown them.
I don't think you should be mouthing off against something that you never experienced. You have multiple post on this thread that are very harsh. You insinuate from your posts that you have flown spirit and have had only disastrous experiences. Don't speak negatively about something that you don't know about.
Whoa. It's just satiric humor.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: YitzyS on July 14, 2020, 05:30:18 PM
I figured you haven't flown them.
I don't think you should be mouthing off against something that you never experienced. You have multiple post on this thread that are very harsh. You insinuate from your posts that you have flown spirit and have had only disastrous experiences. Don't speak negatively about something that you don't know about.
DW has flown Spirit on a number of occasions, and has fully appraised me of what it's been like. Based her her experiences, I have determined to try to never fly the airline.

I will pay significantly more to avoid flying Spirit, and so far, I've never been in a situation when tickets on other airlines were so much more that it would compensate the extra charges Spirit gifts you with.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Naftuli19 on July 14, 2020, 05:38:57 PM
DW has flown Spirit on a number of occasions, and has fully appraised me of what it's been like. Based her her experiences, I have determined to try to never fly the airline.

I will pay significantly more to avoid flying Spirit, and so far, I've never been in a situation when tickets on other airlines were so much more that it would compensate the extra charges Spirit gifts you with.
+1
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: KSMH on July 14, 2020, 10:40:53 PM
I have flown them and had a positive experience, it's a "cheaper" version of travel.

I always buy a good seat.

At times it can be significantly better priced then competitors thus making it worthy even after factoring in the seat cost....
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: ad120 on July 15, 2020, 12:16:13 AM
DW has flown Spirit on a number of occasions, and has fully appraised me of what it's been like. Based her her experiences, I have determined to try to never fly the airline.

I will pay significantly more to avoid flying Spirit, and so far, I've never been in a situation when tickets on other airlines were so much more that it would compensate the extra charges Spirit gifts you with.
1) Can you please list the "extra charges Spirit gifts you with"?
BREAKING: SPIRIT EMPLOYEE GRANTS COURTESY

An employee of Spirit Airlines allegedly granted a request from a passenger, the Associated Press reported.

The unnamed passenger reportedly asked if they can be moved to an open exit row. In a move heralded by civil rights leaders as a once-in-a-lifetime milestone, the crew member granted the courtesy, allowing the passenger to have the empty seat and enjoy the accompanying extra leg-room.

"Since women got their right to vote, I don't think there has been any single act that has encapsulated the advent in human rights as much as this one," the ADL and the NAACP said in a joint statement.

The employee was immediately fired from his job, with the airline citing a violation of policy as the cause.

"We don't give anything for free," Spirit CEO Edward Christie told reporters. "This employee risked the reputation of our company for a senseless act. He should never have been hired."
How does pricing translate to customer service?
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: YitzyS on July 15, 2020, 12:23:14 AM
1) Can you please list the "extra charges Spirit gifts you with"?
Spirit charges for things most other airlines give for free. For example: a drink on the plane.
How does pricing translate to customer service?
I did not directly address customer service. The point was that they don't give ANYTHING for free, not even a better seat when it's not being used.

But are we really having a discussion about this topic?
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Yo ssi on July 15, 2020, 12:29:23 AM
Spirit charges for things most other airlines give for free. For example: a drink on the plane.I did not directly address customer service. The point was that they don't give ANYTHING for free, not even a better seat when it's not being used.
The life hack for you ;D
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=117308.msg2294261#msg2294261
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: ad120 on July 15, 2020, 12:50:01 AM
Spirit charges for things most other airlines give for free. For example: a drink on the plane.I did not directly address customer service. The point was that they don't give ANYTHING for free, not even a better seat when it's not being used.

But are we really having a discussion about this topic?
1) Spirit doesn't charge for "things most other airlines give for free" because airlines don't give anything for free.
When you fly Delta, you HAVE to pay for your 6 ounce diet coke pretzels, your cabin bag, seat selection your seat in your airfare. It's not free.
When you fly spirit, you can choose not to pay and therefore not receive.

2)Delta, American, and JetBlue don't allow passengers to take a better seat when open. I know this because I've been denied a better seat by them all recently.
Spirit on the other hand:
I didn't "manage" to get an exit row. I asked nicely once on board.

And this wasn't the first time Spirit has reseated me when I requested.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: YitzyS on July 15, 2020, 12:56:17 AM
1) Spirit doesn't charge for "things most other airlines give for free" because airlines don't give anything for free.
When you fly Delta, you HAVE to pay for your 6 ounce diet coke pretzels, your cabin bag, seat selection your seat in your airfare. It's not free.
When you fly spirit, you can choose not to pay and therefore not receive.

2)Delta, American, and JetBlue don't allow passengers to take a better seat when open. I know this because I've been denied a better seat by them all recently.
Spirit on the other hand: 
And this wasn't the first time Spirit has reseated me when I requested.
You are welcome to disagree. I chose to be friends with people who don't...
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: ExGingi on July 15, 2020, 10:09:39 PM
https://nypost.com/2020/07/15/spirit-airline-employees-injured-in-brawl-over-delayed-flight-in-florida/
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: ad120 on July 16, 2020, 05:41:26 PM
https://nypost.com/2020/07/15/spirit-airline-employees-injured-in-brawl-over-delayed-flight-in-florida/

Tymaya Wright
Danaysha Dixon
Keira Ferguson

Why are white people so violent?
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Naftuli19 on July 16, 2020, 05:41:52 PM
https://nypost.com/2020/07/15/spirit-airline-employees-injured-in-brawl-over-delayed-flight-in-florida/
Saw this on insta yesterday Crazy...
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: ad120 on July 21, 2020, 07:00:56 PM
https://viewfromthewing.com/passengers-fight-on-a-plane-then-take-it-up-a-notch-back-inside-the-terminal/

What's with White people getting into fights all the time?
It must be white privilege.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: nucheiner on September 02, 2020, 11:29:11 PM
Just had Spirit cancel my cheap tix. Bummer.

They are offering a $50 voucher in addition to the Reservation Credit via the cancellation SMS system. Though there are DPs stating that this voucher is only good for part of the fare and not the “fees” which are part of the fare.

Anyone have insight on this?
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Yo ssi on September 03, 2020, 03:38:14 AM
Just had Spirit cancel my cheap tix. Bummer.

They are offering a $50 voucher in addition to the Reservation Credit via the cancellation SMS system. Though there are DPs stating that this voucher is only good for part of the fare and not the “fees” which are part of the fare.

Anyone have insight on this?
Read the thread title.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Luvisrael on September 03, 2020, 09:12:43 AM
Read the thread title.
Everyone realizes that you are not getting five star service if you fly on a budget airlines. A lot of kinks that can come up, I would imagine are a result of the airlines being on a limited budget so less resources are used to iron them out. Therefore I find it a little unreasonable to complain about every thing that goes wrong on a spirit (or lack thereof) flight. You want better service and higher standards? Pay more for your darn ticket! You get what you pay for.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: nucheiner on September 03, 2020, 09:57:47 AM
Tickets were like $8 each
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: as2 on September 03, 2020, 10:45:55 AM
My friend flew spirit yesterday (he DID NOT ask my consent) and the CEO was on his flight.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: ckmk47 on September 03, 2020, 01:32:11 PM
Ha That's only bc you managed to get an Exit seat
I was in  United flight and the flight attendant didn't let someone change into the empty exit row because it's a premium seat.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Yo ssi on September 03, 2020, 02:44:04 PM
I was in  United flight and the flight attendant didn't let someone change into the empty exit row because it's a premium seat.
Just saw that on my flight!
I also heard someone asking the lady at boarding, if there's a bathroom on the plane🤣
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Luvisrael on September 03, 2020, 02:49:56 PM
My friend flew spirit yesterday (he DID NOT ask my consent) and the CEO was on his flight.
cool! I once called Zappos and the CEO answered
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: ckmk47 on September 03, 2020, 03:48:18 PM
Just saw that on my flight!
I also heard someone asking the lady at boarding, if there's a bathroom on the plane🤣
A teenager sitting next to me asked her mother if there was a bathroom on board. 
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Yo ssi on September 03, 2020, 03:51:42 PM
A teenager sitting next to me asked her mother if there was a bathroom on board.
Lol I'm talking about a what looked like a man in his 20s
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: moko on September 03, 2020, 04:50:16 PM
I was in  United flight and the flight attendant didn't let someone change into the empty exit row because it's a premium seat.
how did they know it wasn't his seat? Did he ask to sit there?
When I buy a basic ticket, I always make sure to be the last to board and then self upgrade...
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Yo ssi on September 03, 2020, 04:51:52 PM
how did they know it wasn't his seat? Did he ask to sit there?
Quite obviously so..
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: KSMH on September 11, 2020, 01:20:21 PM
https://youtu.be/rThaw6_RHe4
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Dan on September 11, 2020, 01:25:06 PM
Spirit=Walmart of the skies
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: yelped on September 11, 2020, 03:07:58 PM
https://youtu.be/rThaw6_RHe4
Revokes?
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Kobe Bryant on September 11, 2020, 05:53:45 PM
I was in  United flight and the flight attendant didn't let someone change into the empty exit row because it's a premium seat.
Happened to me a couple of times, back when I flew UA domestically.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Kobe Bryant on September 21, 2020, 08:52:42 PM
https://nypost.com/2020/09/21/flight-attendant-passenger-argue-over-use-of-neck-gaiter-as-mask/amp/
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: KSMH on November 13, 2020, 10:04:10 AM
Invalid Tweet ID
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Kobe Bryant on November 13, 2020, 11:00:13 AM
Invalid Tweet ID
If it was WN, I would get the humor.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: KSMH on November 13, 2020, 11:03:09 AM
If it was WN, I would get the humor.
-1 It sure looks like Spirit, see the face mask.

(https://i.postimg.cc/wvwyTHxD/Spirit.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Kobe Bryant on November 13, 2020, 11:07:02 AM
-1 It sure looks like Spirit, see the face mask.
I know. Read my post again.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: KSMH on November 13, 2020, 11:07:50 AM
I know. Read my post again.
Missed the "if" but ye...
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Kobe Bryant on November 13, 2020, 11:10:21 AM
Missed the "if" but ye...
Improper English on DDF can lead to disastrous results.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: ad120 on November 14, 2020, 11:22:38 PM
Invalid Tweet ID
This guy is definitely woke and on a power trip. Completely out of line.
I just flew with NK IAH→EWR on Wednesday. The flight crew was very courteous and professional. I kindly asked if I can be reseated to an empty exit row and the reseated me once everyone took their seats.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: KSMH on November 14, 2020, 11:24:23 PM
This guy is definitely woke and on a power trip. Completely out of line.
I just flew with NK IAH→EWR on Wednesday. The flight crew was very courteous and professional. I kindly asked if I can be reseated to an empty exit row and the reseated me once everyone took their seats.
Its very much hit or miss, but generally they are worse then other.

IMHO the big front seat is well worth the "spirit" many times.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: ad120 on November 14, 2020, 11:27:30 PM
Its very much hit or miss, but generally they are worse then other.

IMHO the big front seat is well worth the "spirit" many times.
I've never had a negative experience flying spirit.
I feel like maybe most negative experience that people have is because of their unpreparedness. To play the game you have to know the rules.
From a business prospective, I agree with their model.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Kobe Bryant on November 14, 2020, 11:40:22 PM
From a business prospective, I agree with their model.
Kelly disagrees. 
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Luvisrael on March 02, 2021, 09:56:04 PM
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/shany-teller-kaufman-683b4a78_boycottspirit-activity-6772695598723342336-Og5s
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: KSMH on March 02, 2021, 10:04:15 PM
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/shany-teller-kaufman-683b4a78_boycottspirit-activity-6772695598723342336-Og5s
#rollagopro
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Dan on March 02, 2021, 10:29:38 PM
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/shany-teller-kaufman-683b4a78_boycottspirit-activity-6772695598723342336-Og5s

Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Yehuda57 on March 02, 2021, 10:56:34 PM


Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: JACKBLUE on March 03, 2021, 12:15:06 AM
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/shany-teller-kaufman-683b4a78_boycottspirit-activity-6772695598723342336-Og5s
Insane. Is this really happening?
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Kobe Bryant on April 05, 2021, 01:03:24 PM
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/featured/1962435/spirit-airlines-again-orthodox-jewish-family-kicked-off-flight-from-orlando-for-two-year-old-eating-without-mask-videos.html
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Jellybelly on April 05, 2021, 01:05:40 PM
I heard the police are siding with the family and not with Spirit.
That would be pretty interesting if true
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: yuneeq on April 05, 2021, 01:07:44 PM
I heard the police are siding with the family and not with Spirit.
That would be pretty interesting if true

They kicked off the flight attendant and family is reboarding
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Dan on April 05, 2021, 01:10:13 PM
They kicked off the flight attendant and family is reboarding
Full story?
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: yuneeq on April 05, 2021, 01:11:16 PM
Spirit: where the adventure begins

Last week we hit a bird and stranded for hours and now this during the return
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Jellybelly on April 05, 2021, 01:11:45 PM
Spirit: where the adventure begins

Last week we hit a bird and stranded for hours and now this during the return
Your on the flight?
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: yuneeq on April 05, 2021, 01:15:38 PM
Full story?

Boarding now but what YWN posted isn’t fake news. Just more details to come
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Yehuda57 on April 05, 2021, 01:16:21 PM
They kicked off the flight attendant and family is reboarding

LOL, amazing.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: neveryou on April 05, 2021, 01:17:06 PM
They kicked off the flight attendant and family is reboarding
כן ירבו
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: yochai on April 05, 2021, 01:17:43 PM
Any explanation why these mask stories are more common with LCCs?
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Jellybelly on April 05, 2021, 01:19:03 PM
Spirit: where the adventure begins

Last week we hit a bird and stranded for hours and now this during the return
As an experienced DDFer I thought you would know better!
Unless you were looking for an experience, and it seems like you got your money’s worth
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: MoYS on April 05, 2021, 01:19:19 PM
Any explanation why these mask stories are more common with LCCs?
Maybe its harder to control kids
 more kids = more tickets = $$$ = LCC
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Dan on April 05, 2021, 01:21:52 PM
Any explanation why these mask stories are more common with LCCs?
More rigid rules/no favors or exceptions training.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: MoYS on April 05, 2021, 01:29:57 PM
More rigid rules/no favors or exceptions training.
I still think it has more to do with the passengers than with the FAs - not in this case, but in general, i have seen yidden with kids having a hard time controlling them (and themselves) to keep their mask on. I dont blame them for it, I dont think worse of them etc. just thats how it is
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Kobe Bryant on April 05, 2021, 01:30:20 PM
Boarding now but what YWN posted isn’t fake news. Just more details to come
Can we get the
Full story?
@Dan Time for a DDMS post?!
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: yuneeq on April 05, 2021, 01:31:49 PM
https://vosizneias.com/2021/04/05/videos-jewish-family-kicked-off-spirit-airlines-flight-after-2-year-old-child-wont-wear-mask/

This is full story as it happened
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Kobe Bryant on April 05, 2021, 01:32:15 PM
I still think it has more to do with the passengers than with the FAs - not in this case, but in general, i have seen people with kids having a hard time controlling them (and themselves) to keep their mask on. I dont blame them for it, I dont think worse of them etc. just thats how it is
FTFY. Makes one wonder why non visibly looking Jews aren’t singled out when traveling with 2 YO who aren’t masked.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Dan on April 05, 2021, 01:34:59 PM
https://vosizneias.com/2021/04/05/videos-jewish-family-kicked-off-spirit-airlines-flight-after-2-year-old-child-wont-wear-mask/

This is full story as it happened
I don't get it. 2 year olds need to have a mask on. The rules are super dumb ridiculous, but those are the rules.
You can't make a migo to get your way on a plane ;D

What did the FA do wrong?
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Dan on April 05, 2021, 01:35:33 PM
FTFY. Makes one wonder why non visibly looking Jews aren’t singled out when traveling with 2 YO who aren’t masked.
Plenty of stories with non-Jews as well.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: yelped on April 05, 2021, 01:38:14 PM
I don't get it. 2 year olds need to have a mask on. The rules are super dumb ridiculous, but those are the rules.
You can't make a migo to get your way on a plane ;D

What did the FA do wrong?
The video shows her eating, no?

Anyone, does no one here have any contact with anyone from the administration to raise the age of mask wearing on public transportation to ages 8-10 as in Europe?
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: yuneeq on April 05, 2021, 01:39:20 PM
I don't get it. 2 year olds need to have a mask on. The rules are super dumb ridiculous, but those are the rules.
You can't make a migo to get your way on a plane ;D

What did the FA do wrong?

Kid was eating at the time and they weren’t even warned
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Dan on April 05, 2021, 01:39:33 PM
The video shows her eating, no?
Didn't watch. I had seen another video of her without a mask and father was saying he could have lied about her age to get a free seat, but he was honest that she turned 2 already.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Dan on April 05, 2021, 01:40:22 PM
Kid was eating at the time and they weren’t even warned
Gotcha. That's different then.
But what about the older kid? Were they given an exception to the mask rule due to health reasons?
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: MoYS on April 05, 2021, 01:40:59 PM
Plenty of stories with non-Jews as well.
They just dont make it to mainstream media e.g. YWN VINews and Matzav
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Kobe Bryant on April 05, 2021, 01:41:18 PM
I don't get it. 2 year olds need to have a mask on. The rules are super dumb ridiculous, but those are the rules.
You can't make a migo to get your way on a plane ;D

What did the FA do wrong?
Didn’t use his prefrontal cortex.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Kobe Bryant on April 05, 2021, 01:42:02 PM
Gotcha. That's different then.
But what about the older kid? Were they given an exception to the mask rule due to health reasons?
Possibly
https://www.travelpulse.com/news/airlines/spirit-airlines-updates-face-mask-policy-after-boy-with-autism-is-removed-from-flight.html
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: yuneeq on April 05, 2021, 01:42:40 PM
Gotcha. That's different then.
But what about the older kid? Were they given an exception to the mask rule due to health reasons?

Special needs. Actually had a seizure after we deplaned and needed medical attention.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Dan on April 05, 2021, 01:43:14 PM
Possibly
https://www.travelpulse.com/news/airlines/spirit-airlines-updates-face-mask-policy-after-boy-with-autism-is-removed-from-flight.html
Right, but that's a permission that must be applied for, hence my question.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Dan on April 05, 2021, 01:44:29 PM
Didn’t use his prefrontal cortex.
That's enough to be led away by cops?
I feel like this story is missing context.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Kobe Bryant on April 05, 2021, 01:45:24 PM
They just dont make it to mainstream media e.g. YWN VINews and Matzav
I am talking from personal experience.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Dan on April 05, 2021, 01:46:02 PM
What's the flight number? I'll ask Spirit for comment.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Dan on April 05, 2021, 01:47:32 PM
I am talking from personal experience.
Oh c'mon. For every story of issues with a Jewish 2 year old kicked off, are probably 100 that FAs didn't enforce with a Jewish 2 year old.
It's just luck of the draw. Some FAs enforce every rule to the T, while most have empathy.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Kobe Bryant on April 05, 2021, 01:49:04 PM
That's enough to be led away by cops?
I feel like this story is missing context.
Agreed. We don’t know what happened Initially with the steward ( who allegedly was taken off the flight.)
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Yehuda57 on April 05, 2021, 01:49:42 PM
I still think it has more to do with the passengers than with the FAs - not in this case, but in general, i have seen yidden with kids having a hard time controlling them (and themselves) to keep their mask on. I dont blame them for it, I dont think worse of them etc. just thats how it is

Oh come on, in a week of awful takes on this forum generalizing and stereotyping Jews, this may be the worst  yet
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Dan on April 05, 2021, 01:51:33 PM
Agreed. We don’t know what happened Initially with the steward ( who allegedly was taken off the flight.)
I didn't watch all the videos. Was there something egregious?
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Abey on April 05, 2021, 01:51:48 PM
What's the flight number? I'll ask Spirit for comment.
Assuming NK735 only flight from MCO-LAS on NK today
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Yo ssi on April 05, 2021, 01:52:40 PM
I didn't watch all the videos. Was there something egregious?
Nope.
It did seem from the video that the kid didn't want to wear a mask even when not eating.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: MoYS on April 05, 2021, 01:52:59 PM
Oh come on, in a week of awful takes on this forum generalizing and stereotyping Jews, this may be the worst  yet
Say what you want, I love them and i dont think ill of them even a bit for having a hard time, but i have with my own eyes seen the difficulty of controlling multiple children. Im not sure why you think im stereotyping them, besides for saying that they have more kids

EDIT: after re-reading my post i did dig at the parents for not wearing masks themselves, that was unjustified
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Kobe Bryant on April 05, 2021, 01:53:58 PM
Oh c'mon. For every story of issues with a Jewish 2 year old kicked off, are probably 100 that FAs didn't enforce with a Jewish 2 year old.
It's just luck of the draw. Some FAs enforce every rule to the T, while most have empathy.
I concede that is likely the case. I have yet to see it play out the same way with non Jews. While I have been on a dozen flights where it was not enforced with children or even adults that were eating.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Kobe Bryant on April 05, 2021, 01:55:29 PM
Assuming NK735 only flight from MCO-LAS on NK today
I believe this

(https://i.postimg.cc/63y01Rcw/77455-C5-F-63-C8-4390-80-C7-EB6-F75-C4772-F.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

@yuneeq
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Dan on April 05, 2021, 01:56:02 PM
I concede that is likely the case. I have yet to see it play out the same way with non Jews. While I have been on a dozen flights where it was not enforced with children or even adults that were eating.
Black pax in front of me in F on a DL flight got tossed for a mask violation. Luck of the draw, granted with anti-semitism in some cases.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: MoYS on April 05, 2021, 01:57:12 PM
I concede that is likely the case. I have yet to see it play out the same way with non Jews. While I have been on a dozen flights where it was not enforced with children or even adults that were eating.
It so happens that i was on a flight recently with not too many yidden and the pilot announced multiple times in a progressively graver tone that you have to keep mask on unless actively eating. I cant confirm he wasnt warning yidden but i dont think he was. (It was mid-flight so they usually give more leeway before kicking them off at that point)
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Yehuda57 on April 05, 2021, 02:03:27 PM
Say what you want, I love them and i dont think ill of them even a bit for having a hard time, but i have with my own eyes seen the difficulty of controlling multiple children. Im not sure why you think im stereotyping them, besides for saying that they have more kids

EDIT: after re-reading my post i did dig at the parents for not wearing masks themselves, that was unjustified

Did you reread the part were you say that yidden have this problem?
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Dan on April 05, 2021, 02:04:05 PM
I believe this

(https://i.postimg.cc/63y01Rcw/77455-C5-F-63-C8-4390-80-C7-EB6-F75-C4772-F.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

@yuneeq
Yup.
I asked Spirit for comment.

PM me and I'll try to type something up on DDMS. Will the family talk with me about what happened?
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: MoYS on April 05, 2021, 02:10:14 PM
Did you reread the part were you say that yidden have this problem?
Again, no. I said they have kids and its hard to control kids. I think everyone has a hard time controlling kids, especially on an airplane with yidden not being an exception. Therefore i felt that in some cases the reason for eviction is the passenger not the FAs. The reason why LCCs is either like @Dan said they arent trained as well, or i thought if its true that the cause for eviction is the passenger, which i thought maybe is do to having a hard time with kids, then that is another reason why it occurs on LCCs because of the need to buy more tickets. I think that sums up my points
Its possible it sounded like i was stereotyping them but it was not my intent

(I feel like APP giving an apology for an apology for something i didnt mean)
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Jellybelly on April 05, 2021, 02:12:17 PM
That's enough to be led away by cops?
I feel like this story is missing context.
Maybe he asked for the escort as he was scared of the “hostile” crowd
🤷🏻‍♂️
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: neveryou on April 05, 2021, 04:51:26 PM
Very sad story but at least the ending was a good ending. Credit to the Orlando Police Department who stayed with the Family the entire time and made sure that they had what they needed. They were also able to arrange with the chief pilot once they confirmed that the pilot and crewmembers did not have a problem with it and it was only one crew member that had an issue and that crew member was safely escorted to the tram and the family and the rest of the passengers were able to reboard  the plane and  depart. It ended with the father of the child giving the officer a warm handshake and a hug before boarding the plane again.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Dan on April 05, 2021, 04:58:15 PM
Very sad story but at least the ending was a good ending. Credit to the Orlando Police Department who stayed with the Family the entire time and made sure that they had what they needed. They were also able to arrange with the chief pilot once they confirmed that the pilot and crewmembers did not have a problem with it and it was only one crew member that had an issue and that crew member was safely escorted to the tram and the family and the rest of the passengers were able to reboard  the plane and  depart. It ended with the father of the child giving the officer a warm handshake and a hug before boarding the plane again.
Where is this from?
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: KSMH on April 05, 2021, 05:04:46 PM
Fly with a GoPro Rolling...
I keep one as backup these days... Sad state but badly needed.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: neveryou on April 05, 2021, 05:07:45 PM
Where is this from?
WhatsApp forward
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Dan on April 05, 2021, 05:08:41 PM
Fly with a GoPro Rolling...
I keep one as backup these days... Sad state but badly needed.
Where do you wear it?
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: yuneeq on April 05, 2021, 05:26:04 PM
Very sad story but at least the ending was a good ending. Credit to the Orlando Police Department who stayed with the Family the entire time and made sure that they had what they needed. They were also able to arrange with the chief pilot once they confirmed that the pilot and crewmembers did not have a problem with it and it was only one crew member that had an issue and that crew member was safely escorted to the tram and the family and the rest of the passengers were able to reboard  the plane and  depart. It ended with the father of the child giving the officer a warm handshake and a hug before boarding the plane again.

I can verify all of this besides what went on behind the scenes with crew. Though from what I saw- the crew for the most part did seem to be pretty sympathetic besides one or 2 FA’s.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: KSMH on April 05, 2021, 05:27:34 PM
Where do you wear it?
I have it in my backpack, if I smell something coming my way ill strap it on my belt [, such as a rude FA, belt mount]. Usually by the time you get to the plane ramp you know if you'll need it.


Its totally crazy but crazy stuff happen.

I was on a flight this CH where the FA was telling all jews they are the best kindest most compliant people and just last CH the FA was bashing jews [same airline]. All you need is some FA thinking of you a certain way and you can get into legal trouble [as I've seen happen to others].
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Yehuda57 on April 05, 2021, 06:49:43 PM
Invalid Tweet ID
@Dan this is quite the bold official statement when video clearly shows otherwise.

ETA: looks like it might have been deleted already?

(https://i.postimg.cc/B6CgnG7c/Screenshot-20210405-175000-Twitter.jpg)
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Jellybelly on April 05, 2021, 07:04:32 PM
Only Spirit could manage to dig themselves into a deeper hole.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: grobyak on April 05, 2021, 07:16:52 PM
Their pr machine were hot on the heels to get their skewed and plundered version out in the media before the real story gets out. Simple google:

https://www.google.com/search?q=spirit+air+mask&oq=&aqs=chrome.0.35i39i362l5...5.-1j0j7&client=ms-android-sprint-us&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#scso=_CJlrYMLlJLaj5NoP3-6fWA6:344
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: yelped on April 05, 2021, 07:33:50 PM
Great article: https://www.dansdeals.com/points-travel/airlines/airline-news/happened-aboard-spirit-flight-138-family-special-needs-child-deboarded-reboarded-flight-attendant-led-away-police/

We just need a concerted effort to get common sense back and only require masks for kids 8 and older. Or at minimum 6.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Yo ssi on April 05, 2021, 07:48:26 PM
Fly with a GoPro Rolling...
I keep one as backup these days... Sad state but badly needed.
Or as an alternative
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kimcy929.secretvideorecorder
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: yuneeq on April 05, 2021, 07:56:31 PM
Re: the FA, about 45 minutes before announcing the reboarding, I heard the crew saying they're waiting for a new FA and then they can leave. Not sure why the FA stayed around, perhaps they were trying to convince him to cool down and they couldn't leave without a full crew.

And no, despite what Spirit claims the parents were not warned about wearing a mask during the entire duration of the incident, at least since they boarded.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: ShimshonK on April 05, 2021, 07:57:09 PM
Some more statements from Spirit in the Business Insider article (https://www.businessinsider.com/spirit-kicked-family-off-plane-mask-violations-2021-4):

"Spirit told Insider the airline directed the family to exit because the parents were not complying with mask mandates, which the company said was not captured on video and came before the viral video was filmed."

"Spirit told Insider it was standard protocol in the airline industry to de-board the entire plane if there was an incident with a passenger. The company also said the couple initially refused to leave, which is why Spirit forced all the passengers off the plane. If the family had agreed to deplane, the rest of the passengers would have remained on board, according to Spirit."
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: simple26 on April 05, 2021, 08:02:36 PM
Great article: https://www.dansdeals.com/points-travel/airlines/airline-news/happened-aboard-spirit-flight-138-family-special-needs-child-deboarded-reboarded-flight-attendant-led-away-police/

We just need a concerted effort to get common sense back and only require masks for kids 8 and older. Or at minimum 6.
Cant understand why the airlines themselves don’t lobby to avoid the negative pr
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: KSMH on April 05, 2021, 08:06:50 PM
Or as an alternative
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kimcy929.secretvideorecorder
You need a wide angle and great sound quality, also your using ur phone at times.... battery.

Its a personal decision but if someone smells something might happen just start recording.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Kobe Bryant on April 05, 2021, 08:11:48 PM
Great article: https://www.dansdeals.com/points-travel/airlines/airline-news/happened-aboard-spirit-flight-138-family-special-needs-child-deboarded-reboarded-flight-attendant-led-away-police/

We just need a concerted effort to get common sense back and only require masks for kids 8 and older. Or at minimum 6.
Couldn’t agree more. Although most of the time a large ice coffee seems to solve the problem
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: KSMH on April 05, 2021, 08:23:06 PM
As always, a well written article.

I was on a UA flight this winter where a 613 was escorted off by police upon landing, the resolution wasn't that complicated, as it seems, FA's in more established and better paying airlines have reasons not to look for fights.

Basically this guys kids were on and off with their mask and he was in the bathroom during landing, up until about touchdown [not his fault,  due to announcement timing].

Ultimately there were a few Jewish families on board that made it clear to the police and to UA station supervisor that the FA was the one making a big deal about nothing and the police laughed it all off and told him they will write a report favorable to him [this was in EGE].

On a flight this CH a FA handed what looked like to be knapkins with a printed warning about compliance to 2 passengers in a quiet manner, they just dropped it on their tray table.


Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: tmendy226 on April 05, 2021, 08:26:46 PM
The real issue is this ridiculous policy of masking 2 year old kids. AFAIK the US is the only country in the world with such an insane policy.
All other countries vary between 5-12.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: yelped on April 05, 2021, 09:24:22 PM
The real issue is this ridiculous policy of masking 2 year old kids. AFAIK the US is the only country in the world with such an insane policy.
All other countries vary between 5-12.
Yup. We need this point amplified again and again until we overturn this ridiculous requirement.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Dan on April 05, 2021, 10:01:11 PM
Cant understand why the airlines themselves don’t lobby to avoid the negative pr
Well, they tried lobbying me.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: KSMH on April 05, 2021, 10:04:58 PM
Any lawyers on practically, of a lawsuit claiming discrimination based on age?
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Palm5 on April 05, 2021, 10:05:58 PM
Flew spirit today out of FLL no issues at all with 3 children one of them right over two, who did not wear a mask the entire time, not in the airport nor upon plane boarding. The FA’s were all super friendly and courteous. They told my 6 year old once to make sure he wears his mask but that’s it. Great experience over all. It’s who (which FA’s) is on the plane that matters.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Yo ssi on April 05, 2021, 10:07:53 PM
Flew spirit today out of FLL no issues at all with 3 children one of them right over two, who did not wear a mask the entire time. They FA’s were all super friendly and courteous. They told my 6 year old once to make sure he wears his mask but that’s it. Great experience over all. It’s who is on the plane that’s it. and on the airline your flying
FTFY
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Palm5 on April 05, 2021, 10:08:54 PM
FTFY

I said in the beginning that it was spirit
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Yo ssi on April 05, 2021, 10:16:19 PM
I said in the beginning that it was spirit
Had to be sure beyond a shadow of a doubt
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Yehuda57 on April 05, 2021, 10:17:40 PM
It’s who (which FA’s) is on the plane that matters.

+100

Every single airline has these stories. When I flew southwest they couldn't have been more friendly. I have pictures of my four year old in the cockpit with his mask barely over his mouth. Delta turned a blind eye as well, even as they asked multiple adults near us to cover their nose and mouth.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Palm5 on April 05, 2021, 10:20:06 PM
Had to be sure beyond a shadow of a doubt
(https://i.postimg.cc/XN1ZGbNZ/06-CB4-C1-D-5-A33-4-E25-B95-F-BA472-F7-DAB84.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)


Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Kobe Bryant on April 05, 2021, 10:26:03 PM
+100

Every single airline has these stories. When I flew southwest they couldn't have been more friendly. I have pictures of my four year old in the cockpit with his mask barely over his mouth. Delta turned a blind eye as well, even as they asked multiple adults near us to cover their nose and mouth.
Flew WN many times no issue. The key with 2 YO is to not have them wear a mask from the get go, no one questions a toddler.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: 1avigrun on April 05, 2021, 10:29:45 PM
Dan you should open a news agency you do more research than these fake news


(https://i.postimg.cc/s2ZTWbn6/5-D2195-D6-C75-D-40-D2-9-A08-248-D7-AB57-C38.png) (https://postimg.cc/d7wRPNcr)
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Dan on April 05, 2021, 10:31:08 PM
Dan you should open a news agency you do more research than these fake news
(https://i.postimg.cc/cLLjv9y2/6-F76-BA4-E-0-BB7-4-B57-B89-F-B2-B40-C9-B37-D8.png) (https://postimg.cc/QHvSPqMJ)

My assumption is all news is fake news.

If everything I know about or research that's posted on YWN/CNN/FOX/ETC is fake, then am I wrong to assume that everything I don't know about is also fake?
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: 1avigrun on April 05, 2021, 10:34:39 PM
My assumption is all news is fake news.

If everything I know about or research that's posted on YWN/CNN/FOX/ETC is fake, then am I wrong to assume that everything I don't know about is also fake?
agreed you still do better than them  ;)
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Dan on April 05, 2021, 10:36:47 PM
agreed you still do better than them  ;)
News sites can't spend 6 hours researching and writing every story. They'd go broke.
So they make it up instead.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Euclid on April 05, 2021, 10:40:01 PM
My assumption is all news is fake news.

If everything I know about or research that's posted on YWN/CNN/FOX/ETC is fake, then am I wrong to assume that everything I don't know about is also fake?
Quote
“Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray’s case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the “wet streets cause rain” stories. Paper’s full of them.

In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.”
– Michael Crichton (1942-2008)
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: jj1000 on April 05, 2021, 10:47:07 PM

Repost ;)

https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/sunday-news-roundup-12-8-19-7-quick-takes-travel-dansdeals-interview-falklands-tanya-aegean-devaluation-washpo-travel-nightmare-airline-meals/#I_was_interviewed_by_the_Yated_about_my_favorite_deals_airline_most_viewed_posts_and_more_Read_the_full_interview_here
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Euclid on April 05, 2021, 10:47:58 PM
Repost ;)

https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/sunday-news-roundup-12-8-19-7-quick-takes-travel-dansdeals-interview-falklands-tanya-aegean-devaluation-washpo-travel-nightmare-airline-meals/#I_was_interviewed_by_the_Yated_about_my_favorite_deals_airline_most_viewed_posts_and_more_Read_the_full_interview_here
Fake news
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: yungermanchik on April 05, 2021, 10:48:57 PM
My assumption is all news is fake news.

If everything I know about or research that's posted on YWN/CNN/FOX/ETC is fake, then am I wrong to assume that everything I don't know about is also fake?
No, you're absolutely right!
רש"י על דברים יג ח

הקרובים אליך או הרחוקים" - למה פרט קרובים ורחוקים אלא כך אמר הכתוב"
מטיבן של קרובים אתה למד טיבן של רחוקים כשם שאין ממש בקרובים כך אין ממש ברחוקים
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: yesitsme on April 05, 2021, 11:35:49 PM
Repost ;)

https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/sunday-news-roundup-12-8-19-7-quick-takes-travel-dansdeals-interview-falklands-tanya-aegean-devaluation-washpo-travel-nightmare-airline-meals/#I_was_interviewed_by_the_Yated_about_my_favorite_deals_airline_most_viewed_posts_and_more_Read_the_full_interview_here

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Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: cholent on April 05, 2021, 11:41:40 PM
What was her role?(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210406/dcb9ee2d14eafd8d8086893f279a9ca0.jpg)
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: yuneeq on April 06, 2021, 01:12:30 AM
What was her role?(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210406/dcb9ee2d14eafd8d8086893f279a9ca0.jpg)

An unbelievable and dignified woman, I was googling her employment info (Atlantic Coast Rehab) so I can speak to her boss. She was advocating for the family very calmly and professionally, running relentlessly from the family to the crew to the police to get things sorted out, running to get medicine for the special needs kid, doing this for maybe 2 hours.  If not for her I highly doubt they get back on the flight, or we reboard quickly.

She was also on the emergency landing flight last week and I believe it was only bec of her efforts that Spirit to put us on a new plane.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: cholent on April 06, 2021, 01:28:28 AM
An unbelievable and dignified woman, I was googling her employment info (Atlantic Coast Rehab) so I can speak to her boss. She was advocating for the family very calmly and professionally, running relentlessly from the family to the crew to the police to get things sorted out, running to get medicine for the special needs kid, doing this for maybe 2 hours.  If not for her I highly doubt they get back on the flight, or we reboard quickly.

She was also on the emergency landing flight last week and I believe it was only bec of her efforts that Spirit to put us on a new plane.
I know her personally from Atlantic Coast, she is absolutely the right person for a situation like this. She happens to be Jewish herself.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: yelped on April 06, 2021, 10:14:06 AM
Wow, indeed. She is indeed great and works for a great boss. I've done work for them.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: YitzyS on April 06, 2021, 12:55:12 PM
Fox News now.

"Up Next, how one family was kicked off a Spirits Airlines flight."
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: YitzyS on April 06, 2021, 12:59:22 PM
Fox News now.

"Up Next, how one family was kicked off a Spirits Airlines flight."
Interestingly, they aired the video with the LNN stamp in the center
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Yehuda57 on April 06, 2021, 02:07:47 PM
Is Spirit still circling? They'll be out of fuel soon
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Dan on April 06, 2021, 02:08:53 PM
Is Spirit still circling? They'll be out of fuel soon
They're pulling a Frontier. Ignore and wait for it to pass.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Jellybelly on April 06, 2021, 02:12:03 PM
They're pulling a Frontier. Ignore and wait for it to pass.
Does anything ever happen to any of the cases that have been posted here?
We never hear updates
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Dan on April 06, 2021, 02:14:32 PM
Does anything ever happen to any of the cases that have been posted here?
We never hear updates
They
Ignore and wait for it to pass.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Jellybelly on April 06, 2021, 02:18:25 PM
Right that’s what I assume happens, I also think that most people don’t want to take it to the next level and hire lawyers, they’d rather move on than have the story drag on
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Jellybelly on April 06, 2021, 04:35:48 PM
Right that’s what I assume happens, I also think that most people don’t want to take it to the next level and hire lawyers, they’d rather move on than have the story drag on
Uhoh, I spoke too quick
They’re getting a lawyer involved, I don’t think this will end well, I hope I’m wrong 

https://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2021/04/breaking-attorney-for-family-thrown-off-spiritairlines-flight-michael-inzelbuch-to-hold-press-conference.html
Title: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Euclid on April 06, 2021, 04:41:51 PM
Uhoh, I spoke too quick
They’re getting a lawyer involved, I don’t think this will end well, I hope I’m wrong 

https://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2021/04/breaking-attorney-for-family-thrown-off-spiritairlines-flight-michael-inzelbuch-to-hold-press-conference.html
And not just any lawyer...we will be hearing about this weekly, methinks ;)
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Dan on April 06, 2021, 04:43:33 PM
Uhoh, I spoke too quick
They’re getting a lawyer involved, I don’t think this will end well, I hope I’m wrong 

https://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2021/04/breaking-attorney-for-family-thrown-off-spiritairlines-flight-michael-inzelbuch-to-hold-press-conference.html
Meh.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: yelped on April 06, 2021, 04:50:51 PM
They hired the most expensive lawyer in NJ ($600,000 annual salary)?

The guy should run for mayor of Chicago (would do us all a favor if he did).
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: yuneeq on April 06, 2021, 06:32:57 PM
Live now
https://livestream.com/accounts/20969381/events/9612281
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: yuneeq on April 06, 2021, 06:39:33 PM
Right that’s what I assume happens, I also think that most people don’t want to take it to the next level and hire lawyers, they’d rather move on than have the story drag on

MI says they're only demanding an apology
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: YitzyS on April 06, 2021, 06:48:02 PM
MI says they're only demanding an apology
As apposed to a march or a boycott. He didn't say that the apology can't have some mattan sechoro b'tzido...
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Joel on April 06, 2021, 06:50:52 PM
As apposed to a march or a boycott. He didn't say that the apology can't have some mattan sechoro b'tzido...
Its always about $$ 
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: yuneeq on April 06, 2021, 07:19:28 PM
As apposed to a march or a boycott. He didn't say that the apology can't have some mattan sechoro b'tzido...

He specifically said that they're not asking for money
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: steve2 on April 07, 2021, 12:19:31 AM
 I apologize for posting once again but felt it necessary

 If you didnt listen to the so called live news conference the liar (lawyer) said it was being recorded, I highly suggest you listen to it especially when the wife near the end speaks up.

 What I learnt and wasnt mentioned before she spoke: and none of the FAs INMO were anti, including Daryall the male FA, who didnt fly in the end.

1- she said the FAs were eyeing them by the gate and when they entered the plane Dayrall was standing there and asked her to put masks on BOTH kids, she answered she didnt have any and he gave her 2, means the kids werent wearing them anywhere in the airport.

2- it seems Spirit has in place  T&Cs if you are flying with a Special Needs person/child. And that simply showing up and claiming 'Special Needs' isnt in the T&Cs, why do feel they Never did any of the required notification. (not in the call just something I read elsewhere).

 3- it seems she says she loaded 3 cell phones so her son could have what to listen to which she said he has to do at Full volume and the FAs asked that they lower the volume and they said her son decides on the volume and needs it loud.

4- she said what should we do go away and leave him home alone. I would tell her either stay home or drive its obvious you cant fly with your kids as they are.

5-  the liar (lawyer) said they werent interested in $$$ only by Midnight to hear from Spirit Im Sorry and to instruct their crews how to do things, when pressed by 1 questioner he didnt rule out suing, seems he just wanted to stack the deck for the suit.

 So she admits the kids not only werent wearing a mask, the boy is understandable but it seems the girl was 2yrs 3 months at best and I disagree with the husband thats NOT just turning 2 the liar was the one who said her age on the call. Never said they notified the airline of the special needs son as required. All adds up to the FAs doing what they should have and didnt do any of it due to the family being Jewish or Religious

 Try to listen to the recording, sometimes it takes awhile for the truth to finally come out although Im sure the liar now wishes he never had the conference or that those who listened didnt do so as carefully as I did

 Now Spirit did drop the ball on its 1st comment, but I place the blame on the parents on this one.

I cant remember the last time I said this but I tip my hat to Dan, for knowing his kids wont remain masked and thusly wont fly with them at present, that is the correct way
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: jj1000 on April 07, 2021, 12:49:01 AM
I apologize for posting once again but felt it necessary

 Im sure the liar now wishes he never had the conference or that those who listened didnt do so as carefully as I did

The lawyer and family are all trembling with fear now that steve2 has listened carefully. Probably rethinking their lives at this very moment since you posted here.

Man, I really wish we could get @CountValentine and @steve2 in a thread together. Orville's stock would double overnight.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: YitzyS on April 07, 2021, 12:56:35 AM
I think the ask was not for money because the family knows that a court case will be really hard to win, possibly because of the aforementioned reasons. The biggest danger to the airline is the publicity, and the best way for the lawyer to leverage that is to sound like the good guys, by specifically NOT asking for money.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: steve2 on April 07, 2021, 01:05:04 AM
 Man does ARROGANCE run in your family or only You and Dan

 Did you listen to the whole conference, I would assume not otherwise you would have posted what I did and let folks know that the story out there was full of missing info or is it you already drew your conclusion and thusly nothing wont change it. I did say I believe that as it was unfolding that I held by what the couple said, but the wife basically shot it to heck when she spoke and finally filled in the missing blanks. Personally I dont get how the lawyer didnt properly prep them at least on what to say and not to say.

 Can you please inform me where yesterday you knew that the boy was playing the phones on full volume load at that, or that both kids werent wearing any mask at all it seems in the airport especially the daughter or where they claim they notified the carrier according to its T&Cs of their sons condition, rather then 'Cant you see my child is unlike most others'. lastly is a child 2 yrs and 3 months in your opin a child that just turned 2

Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: jj1000 on April 07, 2021, 01:16:15 AM
Man does ARROGANCE run in your family or only You and Dan

 Did you listen to the whole conference, I would assume not otherwise you would have posted what I did and let folks know that the story out there was full of missing info or is it you already drew your conclusion and thusly nothing wont change it. I did say I believe that as it was unfolding that I held by what the couple said, but the wife basically shot it to heck when she spoke and finally filled in the missing blanks. Personally I dont get how the lawyer didnt properly prep them at least on what to say and not to say.

 Can you please inform me where yesterday you knew that the boy was playing the phones on full volume load at that, or that both kids werent wearing any mask at all it seems in the airport especially the daughter or where they claim they notified the carrier according to its T&Cs of their sons condition, rather then 'Cant you see my child is unlike most others'. lastly is a child 2 yrs and 3 months in your opin a child that just turned 2


I don't think anyone can listen as carefully as you @steve2 you must have superhuman listening powers.

And I'm so happy you use it for good.

I really don't know how I could go on if you didn't spend 30min+ of your day listening so carefully to the lawyer. And then posted your thoughts here.

I really appreciate the good you do. Thank you.

Please continue to use your superhuman listening powers for good.

Eta: Like the overflowing compassion you display for a family with an autistic child.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Something Fishy on April 07, 2021, 01:25:01 AM
Ah, like the good old days ;D.

PG can sometimes substitute for CV in the trolling department, but no one can replace a steve2.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: yuneeq on April 07, 2021, 01:28:37 AM
Man does ARROGANCE run in your family or only You and Dan

 Did you listen to the whole conference, I would assume not otherwise you would have posted what I did and let folks know that the story out there was full of missing info or is it you already drew your conclusion and thusly nothing wont change it. I did say I believe that as it was unfolding that I held by what the couple said, but the wife basically shot it to heck when she spoke and finally filled in the missing blanks. Personally I dont get how the lawyer didnt properly prep them at least on what to say and not to say.

 Can you please inform me where yesterday you knew that the boy was playing the phones on full volume load at that, or that both kids werent wearing any mask at all it seems in the airport especially the daughter or where they claim they notified the carrier according to its T&Cs of their sons condition, rather then 'Cant you see my child is unlike most others'. lastly is a child 2 yrs and 3 months in your opin a child that just turned 2

FWIW I didn't hear the loud phone from 5 rows away. And definitely didn't see anyone complaining about it either. Most people see a family like this and have a bit of compassion, in fact, no one gave me as much as a look when my infant was yelling his brains out on the inbound flight. Why harass a family that has to suffer flying commercially with a special needs child when nobody minds it?
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: steve2 on April 07, 2021, 01:55:17 AM
I don't think anyone can listen as carefully as you @steve2 you must have superhuman listening powers.

And I'm so happy you use it for good.

I really don't know how I could go on if you didn't spend 30min+ of your day listening so carefully to the lawyer. And then posted your thoughts here.

I really appreciate the good you do. Thank you.

Please continue to use your superhuman listening powers for good.

Eta: Like the overflowing compassion you display for a family with an autistic child.

 Cut the B, before anyone claims something was done due to a person being  Anti-Semitic they better know for sure that was the reason , my point was simply that as the facts now stand that wasnt the reason for them being thrown off to begin with! Dan is correct in that The US should follow Europe and have a child must wear a mask at an older age but as it is the crazy rule is from 2 and over. Dont like it no problem dont mask your kids and dont fly with them  I have compassion for anyone with a special needs child or adult, but if you dont follow the T&Cs of the carrier (which it seems the parents didnt do) then I the compassion is alot less. sorry but as just I make sure all my Visa's are in order and issued then if Im traveling with someone who needs special care Id also make sure to know the T&Cs and make sure they are followed

 Now you guys can go on , Ive said my last. This wasnt a case of Anti-Semitism but sadly of 2 parents not following the rules or maybe not knowing them, although its hard to believe that parents dont know kids 2 and older must wear a mask and its not OK if the kid doesnt want to or is only a few months older then 2. And yes IMO its dumb to expect a 2 yr old to keep a mask on, so get the law/rule changed or dont fly with them And bear in mind the father claimed he didnt have to buy his daughter a paid seat. Well if she sis 2yrs and 3 months that means they flew done for their vacation back in early Dec and are just flying back from then, why do I feel they didnt fly down before she turned 2.

 
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: shapsam on April 07, 2021, 02:06:14 AM
He said if had he not have been an honest person, he would not buy a seat and say that the child is under 2...
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: yuneeq on April 07, 2021, 02:07:01 AM
Cut the B, before anyone claims something was done due to a person being  Anti-Semitic they better know for sure that was the reason , my point was simply that as the facts now stand that wasnt the reason for them being thrown off to begin with! Dan is correct in that The US should follow Europe and have a child must wear a mask at an older age but as it is the crazy rule is from 2 and over. Dont like it no problem dont mask your kids and dont fly with them  I have compassion for anyone with a special needs child or adult, but if you dont follow the T&Cs of the carrier (which it seems the parents didnt do) then I the compassion is alot less. sorry but as just I make sure all my Visa's are in order and issued then if Im traveling with someone who needs special care Id also make sure to know the T&Cs and make sure they are followed

 Now you guys can go on , Ive said my last. This wasnt a case of Anti-Semitism but sadly of 2 parents not following the rules or maybe not knowing them, although its hard to believe that parents dont know kids 2 and older must wear a mask and its not OK if the kid doesnt want to or is only a few months older then 2. And yes IMO its dumb to expect a 2 yr old to keep a mask on, so get the law/rule changed or dont fly with them And bear in mind the father claimed he didnt have to buy his daughter a paid seat. Well if she sis 2yrs and 3 months that means they flew done for their vacation back in early Dec and are just flying back from then, why do I feel they didnt fly down before she turned 2.

You weren't there, there were at least a few antisemites on the plane, some of them seated near me, audibly voicing their hate (perhaps the FA would fit in with them.) And if going by your holy livestream recording, the FA was definitely an antisemitic POS.

Also if you listened well, he said his daughter is barely 2 years and 2 months. If you have such a good listening ear why do you spew fake news to disparage a fellow Jew?
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Deal Guy on April 07, 2021, 04:49:35 AM
Omg, I never thought craz would come back to ddf after so many years...
I was surprised it lasted this long.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: neveryou on April 07, 2021, 12:09:47 PM
Right that’s what I assume happens, I also think that most people don’t want to take it to the next level and hire lawyers, they’d rather move on than have the story drag on
When your father is worth millions of dollars you can afford to hire lawyers for just an "apology".
My question is, why fly spirit if you have money? they got cheap tickets and have to pay for a lawyer now
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: YitzyS on April 07, 2021, 12:12:04 PM
When your father is worth millions of dollars you can afford to hire lawyers for just an "apology".
My question is, why fly spirit if you have money? they got cheap tickets and have to pay for a lawyer now
I would venture to say that Inzelbuch is not charging them. He probably wants to do this for other reasons, and they agreed, being that he represented them in the past.
Title: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Euclid on April 07, 2021, 12:29:28 PM
When your father is worth millions of dollars you can afford to hire lawyers for just an "apology".
My question is, why fly spirit if you have money? they got cheap tickets and have to pay for a lawyer now
Spirit offers the best travel times to FL for a Lkwd area family. Many "rich" people fly with them for that reason.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Dan on April 07, 2021, 12:30:18 PM
My question is, why fly spirit if you have money?
This is an excellent question. It's also an excellent question if you don't have money.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Dan on April 07, 2021, 12:31:16 PM
Spirit offers the best travel times to FL for a Lkwd area family. Many "rich" people fly with them for that reason.
What times do they offer that B6/UA don't?
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: grodnoking on April 07, 2021, 12:31:57 PM
What times do they offer that B6/UA don't?
ACY
Worry less about traffic OTW to the airport, very fast to gate even without GE, walk from parking 30 seconds and it'll cost you less too.
All in all, flying from ACY is much less of a headache and you don't have to give yourself extra time in case something goes wrong.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Kobe Bryant on April 07, 2021, 01:04:19 PM
ACY
Worry less about traffic OTW to the airport, very fast to gate even without GE, walk from parking 30 seconds and it'll cost you less too.
All in all, flying from ACY is much less of a headache and you don't have to give yourself extra time in case something goes wrong.
The most convenient airport for Lkwd/TR
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Kobe Bryant on April 07, 2021, 01:07:18 PM
This is an excellent question. It's also an excellent if you don't have money.
The only reason (https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=11154.0)
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: cholent on April 07, 2021, 01:10:39 PM
I would venture to say that Inzelbuch is not charging them. He probably wants to do this for other reasons, and they agreed, being that he represented them in the past.
That was my guess as well, knowing him
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: aygart on April 07, 2021, 01:21:52 PM
The most convenient airport for Lkwd/TR
Or TTN (Frontier)

When I flew Frontier it was for TTN and no other reason.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Something Fishy on April 07, 2021, 01:50:38 PM
When your father is worth millions of dollars you can afford to hire lawyers for just an "apology".
My question is, why fly spirit if you have money? they got cheap tickets and have to pay for a lawyer now

Really?? Is the family's personal financial situation a thing to be discussed now?
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Yehuda57 on April 07, 2021, 01:57:55 PM
There are certain blanket attitudes on this forum that often don't take into account individuals' needs/desires. This crops up when discussing the value of points/miles, and blanket statements like "there is never a good reason to fly Spirit," which is all good and well until you need to book a flight at a busy time for the whole family and all other airlines are either sold out or charging more than 4 times the price, etc.

Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: shapsam on April 07, 2021, 02:03:00 PM
Or TTN (Frontier)

When I flew Frontier it was for TTN and no other reason.
+1
Closest airport to Lakewood with commercial flights.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: yuneeq on April 07, 2021, 02:19:21 PM
ACY
Worry less about traffic OTW to the airport, very fast to gate even without GE, walk from parking 30 seconds and it'll cost you less too.
All in all, flying from ACY is much less of a headache and you don't have to give yourself extra time in case something goes wrong.

Exactly this. ACY is great for families. EWR/JFK is a guaranteed headache, while Spirit flights are not usually bad.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: lubaby on April 07, 2021, 02:27:38 PM
When your father is worth millions of dollars you can afford to hire lawyers for just an "apology".
My question is, why fly spirit if you have money? they got cheap tickets and have to pay for a lawyer now
They should've definitely flown private. Starting with a helicopter from their front lawn to the FBO.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: MoYS on April 07, 2021, 02:33:03 PM
There are certain blanket attitudes on this forum that often don't take into account individuals' needs/desires. This crops up when discussing the value of points/miles, and blanket statements like "there is never a good reason to fly Spirit," which is all good and well until you need to book a flight at a busy time for the whole family and all other airlines are either sold out or charging more than 4 times the price, etc.
I recently flew spirit and i was thinking of how to make this point, couldnt have said it better
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: neveryou on April 07, 2021, 02:35:34 PM
Really?? Is the family's personal financial situation a thing to be discussed now?
Why not?
That's what jewish people do, it's in our blood
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Kobe Bryant on April 07, 2021, 02:42:08 PM
Why not?
That's what jewish people do, it's in our blood
Reminds me of a Jackie Mason joke.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: YitzyS on April 07, 2021, 05:37:57 PM
+1
Closest bus station (or at least that's what it looks like) to Lakewood with commercial flights.
FTFY

Best thing about it is that you can walk from your car to the airport in 30 seconds, and you can walk through the entire airport in one minute.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: yelped on April 07, 2021, 07:10:32 PM
FTFY

Best thing about it is that you can walk from your car to the airport in 30 seconds, and you can walk through the entire airport in one minute.
Reminds me of Marine terminal in LGA.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Kobe Bryant on April 07, 2021, 08:39:58 PM
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/prestonpolson_spiritairlines-flightattendant-flightattendants-activity-6785014157436698624-Rr0V
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Kobe Bryant on April 08, 2021, 09:47:30 PM
NYS Assemblymembers Daniel Rosenthal (D-Queens), Amy Paulin (D- Westchester), Simcha Eichenstein (D- Brooklyn), and Senator Simcha Felder (D-Brooklyn), wrote a letter to Rick Cotton, Executive Director of the Port Authority of NY & NJ and Steve Dickson, Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration, urging them to conduct an investigation on recent allegations of antisemitic actions taken by airlines.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: yelped on April 08, 2021, 10:29:27 PM
They should just put a focus on raising the minimum age required to wear a mask.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Dan on April 08, 2021, 10:32:17 PM
They should just put a focus on raising the minimum age required to wear a mask.
Amen.
And Awoman.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: Sammy82 on April 08, 2021, 10:33:29 PM
They should just put a focus on raising the minimum age required to wear a mask.
They're state legislators, not federal. Dont think they themselves could do much about the 2 year old rule.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: yelped on April 08, 2021, 10:42:29 PM
They're state legislators, not federal. Dont think they themselves could do much about the 2 year old rule.
Definitely have a better chance of getting heard and starting a movement than me and you.
Title: Re: Friends don't let friends fly spirit.
Post by: yuneeq on April 08, 2021, 11:35:05 PM
Amen.
And Awoman.

And the children! Don't forget about them!