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Title: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: wayfe on January 24, 2019, 12:31:43 PM
https://www.vosizneias.com/315104/2019/01/24/miami-american-kicks-jewish-couple-and-baby-off-flight-citing-complaints-of-body-odor/

This reeks of the oldest form of anti-Semitism around: portraying Jews as dirty, unclean, subhuman.
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: ExGingi on January 24, 2019, 12:34:00 PM
https://www.vosizneias.com/315104/2019/01/24/miami-american-kicks-jewish-couple-and-baby-off-flight-citing-complaints-of-body-odor/

This reeks of the oldest form of anti-Semitism around: portraying Jews as dirty, unclean, subhuman.
Where's the cup of salt to take along with this story?
Title: (Frum) Family kicked of AA flight after passengers complain about body odor
Post by: Yehudaa on January 24, 2019, 12:36:53 PM
https://www.local10.com/news/local/miami/family-kicked-off-american-airlines-flight-in-miami-after-passengers-complain-about-body-odor
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: wayfe on January 24, 2019, 12:49:07 PM
Where's the cup of salt to take along with this story?

I'd be just as interested in finding an alternate explanation, because this makes me extremely uncomfortable.

There has undeniably been an increase in anti-Semitic incidents in the news.
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: Shauly101 on January 24, 2019, 12:50:04 PM
i can see everyone clicking on the link and in their mind they already imagine the face of a heavy Chosid, and then....
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: knowitall on January 24, 2019, 12:53:28 PM
I know this family personally. They are the last people I would ever expect to have body odor. They are very normal people. (Yes, SHOCKING, Detroit has normal people!)
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: ExGingi on January 24, 2019, 12:56:35 PM
I'd be just as interested in finding an alternate explanation, because this makes me extremely uncomfortable.

There has undeniably been an increase in anti-Semitic incidents in the news.

So they are being asked to go off the plane and didn't inquire why they are asked off until they were actually off the plane?  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: callmepaul on January 24, 2019, 01:00:01 PM
I know this family personally. They are the last people I would ever expect to have body odor. They are very normal people. (Yes, SHOCKING, Detroit has normal people!)

I was too hoping to read something more to this story, but even American Airlines is confirming the story

A statement from American Airlines officials to the Free Press stated, "The Adler family were asked to deplane last night after several passengers, along with our crew members, complained about their body odor. The family were provided hotel accommodations and meals, and rebooked on a flight to Detroit today."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/local/michigan/2019/01/24/michigan-family-american-airlines-body-odor-southfield/2666303002/

This is sad
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: Luvisrael on January 24, 2019, 01:01:45 PM
I was on an AA flight from ORD-PHL and was laying across two seats napping and flatulated and a stewardess came over and sprayed air freshener in my direction lol
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: Mordyk on January 24, 2019, 01:08:10 PM
crazy stuff! how many times did i actually sit next someone with Body odor and just lived with it :-\
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: Luvisrael on January 24, 2019, 01:10:33 PM
crazy stuff! how many times did i actually sit next someone with Body odor and just lived with it :-\
+1
To me the saddest part is reading all the nasty comments that follow on these news websites. Brings out the anti semites out of the woodworks. Such hate!  On second thought , we did kinda get very comfortable here in galus U.S.A. , kinda makes me feel like it’s a kick in the pants to remind us where we are.
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: IGBES on January 24, 2019, 01:13:53 PM
crazy stuff! how many times did i actually sit next someone with Body odor and just lived with it :-\
Was thinking the same
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: Yammer on January 24, 2019, 01:14:15 PM
i can see everyone clicking on the link and in their mind they already imagine the face of a heavy Chosid, and then....
But it wasn't.
I was too hoping to read something more to this story, but even American Airlines is confirming the story

A statement from American Airlines officials to the Free Press stated, "The Adler family were asked to deplane last night after several passengers, along with our crew members, complained about their body odor. The family were provided hotel accommodations and meals, and rebooked on a flight to Detroit today."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/local/michigan/2019/01/24/michigan-family-american-airlines-body-odor-southfield/2666303002/

This is sad
And how is rebooking then the next day on a flight with the same clothing going to make it better? They don't have any luggage...
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: Luvisrael on January 24, 2019, 01:25:23 PM
But it wasn't.And how is rebooking then the next day on a flight with the same clothing going to make it better? They don't have any luggage...
+1 they should sue the daylights out of them.
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: wayfe on January 24, 2019, 01:30:53 PM
So they are being asked to go off the plane and didn't inquire why they are asked off until they were actually off the plane?  ::) ::) ::)

Honestly, I would probably have done the same. I'm not a seasoned traveler and if a flight crew member demanded that I leave the plane I would probably have been confused, overwhelmed, feebly protesting but compliant. It would take some time for the outrage to set it.
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: farmbochur on January 24, 2019, 01:34:43 PM
Honestly, I would probably have done the same. I'm not a seasoned traveler and if a flight crew member demanded that I leave the plain I would probably have been confused, overwhelmed, feebly protesting but compliant. It would take some time for the outrage to set it.
+1
Especially post Dr Dao...
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: ExGingi on January 24, 2019, 01:43:24 PM
Honestly, I would probably have done the same. I'm not a seasoned traveler and if a flight crew member demanded that I leave the plane I would probably have been confused, overwhelmed, feebly protesting but compliant. It would take some time for the outrage to set it.
I am not saying not to comply, but still ask for a reason. The common guidance when stopped by a cop, is to fully comply, but ask why you were pulled over, that is a very important part, and is 100% legitimate. So much more so when being asked to come of an aircraft.
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: ExGingi on January 24, 2019, 01:51:05 PM
crazy stuff! how many times did i actually sit next someone with Body odor and just lived with it :-\
A few years ago I was stuck in Y on AZ on my way back from TLV, and had a bochur sitting next to me. At some point he took off his shoes, and the stench was unbearable. I tried to cope for a few minutes, but then gave up and politely asked him to put on his shoes. I honestly can't understand how he could bear the odor himself.
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on January 24, 2019, 02:04:33 PM
I once made the mistake of flying AirFrance JFK-CDG and yet I survived. ‘nuff said.
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: Geshmak25 on January 24, 2019, 02:09:18 PM
I wish I had the AA steward at shacharis this morning. Guy behind me flatulated four different times spread evenly over the course of the minyan. Would've been nice for someone to give him the boot.
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: sruly on January 24, 2019, 02:14:37 PM
I once made the mistake of flying AirFrance JFK-CDG and yet I survived. ‘nuff said.
reminds me of BOM-JFK
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: S209 on January 24, 2019, 03:16:28 PM
A few years ago I was stuck in Y on AZ on my way back from TLV, and had a bochur sitting next to me. At some point he took off his shoes, and the stench was unbearable. I tried to cope for a few minutes, but then gave up and politely asked him to put on his shoes. I honestly can't understand how he could bear the odor himself.
That was me

ETA: I’m joking. I never flew Y on AZ.
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: Luvtotravel on January 24, 2019, 03:33:12 PM
Not sure who this is more embarrassing for; aa or adler...
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: shwarmabob on January 24, 2019, 04:26:23 PM
it sounds crazy. Is it possible that the baby needed a diaper change?
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: LoLo on January 24, 2019, 04:27:25 PM
I don't think 'body odor' refers to a diaper change.
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: ADG on January 24, 2019, 04:35:50 PM
Can they sue!?
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: metsgiantsfan on January 24, 2019, 05:06:46 PM
Can they sue!?

SUE? they should be sued..if they really smelled and were kicked off the flight for bad odor, why should american airlines have bared the cost to put them up....  It seems like multiple people complained and the staff of AA confirmed it..Wasnt like 1 person said it
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: ExGingi on January 24, 2019, 05:09:37 PM
SUE? they should be sued..if they really smelled and were kicked off the flight for bad odor, why should american airlines have bared the cost to put them up....  It seems like multiple people complained and the staff of AA confirmed it..Wasnt like 1 person said it
Indeed. Which is why I was really wondering what happened while they were on board. Something doesn't add up in this story.
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: mendyt on January 24, 2019, 05:36:41 PM
Dont want to get it off topic but Its time to bring some awareness to this issue.
You can find dirty people that dont shower in all religions and sectors, but there are too many of them in our ultra orthodox community
Not trying to be a self hating jew, but it kind of angers me why so many think that using deodorant or going in shower on a daily basis is against our values.
I was once in a Mikvah of a specific community that stinking is the norm and I literally almost threw up and never stepped foot again.
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: chevron on January 24, 2019, 05:40:48 PM
Sadly I agree, we discussed body odors in another friend. It's a chillul hashem for a yid to smell
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: Mountain Man on January 24, 2019, 05:43:27 PM
I wonder if it was foot odor. It wasn't like the guy talking to them was saying you guys smell.

But it's an interesting thought, I was just on a plane where the woman sitting next to my wife had terrible BO and was flatulating the entire flight. It was a red-eye and was terrible. I guess I was too polite to say anything.
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: S209 on January 24, 2019, 05:51:27 PM
I wonder if it was foot odor. It wasn't like the guy talking to them was saying you guys smell.

But it's an interesting thought, I was just on a plane where the woman sitting next to my wife had terrible BO and was flatulating the entire flight. It was a red-eye and was terrible. I guess I was too polite to say anything.
You could have got that guy booted.. then again, if you’re Jewish, he could have got you booted too
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: chff on January 24, 2019, 05:55:06 PM
https://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.com/2019/01/24/family-kicked-off-american-airlines-flight-for-foul-odor-claims-discrimination/

Quote
For what it’s worth I’ve been an American Airlines Executive Platinum eight years in a row, I’m nearly a four million miler, and I’ve never experienced discrimination on the airline because I’m Jewish.
  - Oh um
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: knowitall on January 24, 2019, 06:23:47 PM
People like to say "there's 2 sides to every story". THATS NOT TRUE! Most stories have two sides but not all. I know this couple personally, they are very normal people. I highly, highly doubt they really smelled. This is AAWFUL!
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: Luvisrael on January 24, 2019, 06:25:51 PM
People like to say "there's 2 sides to every story". THATS NOT TRUE! Most stories have two sides but not all. I know this couple personally, they are very normal people. I highly, highly doubt they really smelled. This is AAWFUL!
wether they truelly smelled or not isn’t really the issue here. It was extremely embarrassing for them and their luggage wasn’t given to them.
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: S209 on January 24, 2019, 06:36:31 PM
wether they truelly smelled or not isn’t really the issue here. It was extremely embarrassing for them and their luggage wasn’t given to them.
Also, I’ve never heard of anyone else getting kicked off for this. Smell is highly subjective, this is a slippery slope, and they should sue AAs tush off. I agree with @ExGingi there’s got to be more to the story.

Gary makes a good point, this was from South Florida, so they probably weren’t the only Jews on the plane ;)
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: chevron on January 24, 2019, 06:42:33 PM
What if baby had a dirty diaper?
Title: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: Ephraimh on January 24, 2019, 06:49:37 PM
You can find dirty people that dont shower in all religions and sectors
Evident by this all-American-blue-jean-clean-shaved-leather-jacket dude standing near me last week at TSA JFK without his shoes.. the FO literally hit me in the face like it was an object.
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: Luvisrael on January 24, 2019, 07:10:22 PM
Reminds me of this
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/08/15/to-our-jewish-guests-a-swiss-hotel-singles-out-jews/
Title: Jewish Family Kicked Off American Airlines
Post by: YMW on January 24, 2019, 09:03:02 PM
https://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.com/2019/01/24/family-kicked-off-american-airlines-flight-for-foul-odor-claims-discrimination/

Jewish Family Kicked Off American Airlines.... He doesn't shower because of religious reasons??!!
Title: Re: Jewish Family Kicked Off American Airlines
Post by: as2 on January 24, 2019, 09:08:22 PM
https://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.com/2019/01/24/family-kicked-off-american-airlines-flight-for-foul-odor-claims-discrimination/

Jewish Family Kicked Off American Airlines.... He doesn't shower because of religious reasons??!!
Repost x7??!!
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: yesitsme on January 24, 2019, 09:15:32 PM
crazy stuff! how many times did i actually sit next someone with Body odor and just lived with it :-\
http://www.ivelt.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=946576#p946576
A fat guy saw who his neighbor is, as he was sitting down he said to himself "Oh the shower was broken i didn't take one for 3 days already", it didn't take long he got a new neighbor.
I guess doesn't always workout right
Title: Re: Jewish Family Kicked Off American Airlines
Post by: Luvisrael on January 24, 2019, 09:15:41 PM
https://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.com/2019/01/24/family-kicked-off-american-airlines-flight-for-foul-odor-claims-discrimination/

Jewish Family Kicked Off American Airlines.... He doesn't shower because of religious reasons??!!
quote “ Furthermore, the family’s claim seems unlikely considering,
Their religion wasn’t listed on the manifest“

Humph how would anyone know Their Jewish...
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: Luvisrael on January 24, 2019, 09:17:07 PM
I know this family personally. They are the last people I would ever expect to have body odor. They are very normal people. (Yes, SHOCKING, Detroit has normal people!)
Did Gary contact u to verify u know them?
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: Mimo on January 24, 2019, 10:02:13 PM
does anyone think that aa is going to say that only one passenger complained or only one crew member said that the family had BO?

from what i've seen in other cases when ever a crew member has an issue with a passenger it makes no difference if the complaint is correct the captain and all the other crew will back the single crew member making the fuss
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: mmgfarb on January 24, 2019, 10:02:54 PM
I'd just like to point out that nobody here has any right or reason to just claim that religious discrimination took place in this case. I get that the couple is claiming that but according to their own story, they don't really know if that's the case or not since they didn't even ask why they were being removed until they were already off the plane. Calling anti-semitism when you have absolutely no way of proving it does a disservice to all of us and does only harm, not good. Imagine if the same story took place with a black family and they claimed discrimination, half the people here would be saying that they are overreacting and calling racism just to justify themselves when they can't prove it. Don't be a hypocrite just because you happen to be Jewish also. While anti-semitism has been on the rise around the world in general, we should not be so quick to use it as an excuse for self-justification, especially when it is not verifiable and no violence took place.

Just my $.02.
Title: Re: Jewish Family Kicked Off American Airlines
Post by: S209 on January 24, 2019, 10:59:09 PM
quote “ Furthermore, the family’s claim seems unlikely considering,
Their religion wasn’t listed on the manifest“

Humph how would anyone know Their Jewish...
Another good point. Yeah, he’s an idiot
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: S209 on January 24, 2019, 11:00:32 PM
I'd just like to point out that nobody here has any right or reason to just claim that religious discrimination took place in this case. I get that the couple is claiming that but according to their own story, they don't really know if that's the case or not since they didn't even ask why they were being removed until they were already off the plane. Calling anti-semitism when you have absolutely no way of proving it does a disservice to all of us and does only harm, not good. Imagine if the same story took place with a black family and they claimed discrimination, half the people here would be saying that they are overreacting and calling racism just to justify themselves when they can't prove it. Don't be a hypocrite just because you happen to be Jewish also. While anti-semitism has been on the rise around the world in general, we should not be so quick to use it as an excuse for self-justification, especially when it is not verifiable and no violence took place.

Just my $.02.
One thing I promise you. If that couple was black, Gary wouldn’t have written that article
like that. Not even close.

Not to mention, there’s no way in hell it would ever happen. And yes. There are blacks that smell too.
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: wayfe on January 24, 2019, 11:06:33 PM
I'd just like to point out that nobody here has any right or reason to just claim that religious discrimination took place in this case. I get that the couple is claiming that but according to their own story, they don't really know if that's the case or not since they didn't even ask why they were being removed until they were already off the plane. Calling anti-semitism when you have absolutely no way of proving it does a disservice to all of us and does only harm, not good. Imagine if the same story took place with a black family and they claimed discrimination, half the people here would be saying that they are overreacting and calling racism just to justify themselves when they can't prove it. Don't be a hypocrite just because you happen to be Jewish also. While anti-semitism has been on the rise around the world in general, we should not be so quick to use it as an excuse for self-justification, especially when it is not verifiable and no violence took place.

Just my $.02.

The entire world would be in an uproar if a black couple got kicked off a plane because people complained that they had BO. I bet we'd even have politicians chiming in.
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: mmgfarb on January 24, 2019, 11:07:28 PM
The entire world would be in an uproar if a black couple got kicked off a plane because people complained that they had BO. I bet we'd even have politicians chiming in.
Yea, and it would be just as ridiculous to assume it was discrimination as it is here.
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: wayfe on January 24, 2019, 11:14:27 PM
Yea, and it would be just as ridiculous to assume it was discrimination as it is here.

It would never happen. Regardless of whether the BO is real or not. They'd be too afraid of the backlash.

I'd be hard-pressed to believe that a kempt, normal family like that has body odor bad enough to warrant being kicked off.

When it's that bad, there are usually other signs of lack of hygiene.

Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: S209 on January 24, 2019, 11:15:53 PM
Yea, and it would be just as ridiculous to assume it was discrimination as it is here.
Perhaps. But you know what is discrimination? The way Gary and others are reacting/non-reacting to it. Discrimination or not, it’s definitely no less discrimination than it would be if it were perpetrated upon any other minority.
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: S209 on January 24, 2019, 11:17:28 PM
It would never happen. Regardless of whether the BO is real or not. They'd be too afraid of the backlash.

I'd be hard-pressed to believe that a kempt, normal family like that has body odor bad enough to warrant being kicked off.

When it's that bad, there are usually other signs of lack of hygiene.
+infinity

And that, my friends, is discrimination.
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: Mimo on January 24, 2019, 11:49:43 PM
The quick response to acknowledge this story by aa leads me to think that they know they did something wrong
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 24, 2019, 11:59:27 PM
I'd just like to point out that nobody here has any right or reason to just claim that religious discrimination took place in this case. I get that the couple is claiming that but according to their own story, they don't really know if that's the case or not since they didn't even ask why they were being removed until they were already off the plane. Calling anti-semitism when you have absolutely no way of proving it does a disservice to all of us and does only harm, not good. Imagine if the same story took place with a black family and they claimed discrimination, half the people here would be saying that they are overreacting and calling racism just to justify themselves when they can't prove it. Don't be a hypocrite just because you happen to be Jewish also. While anti-semitism has been on the rise around the world in general, we should not be so quick to use it as an excuse for self-justification, especially when it is not verifiable and no violence took place.

Just my $.02.
I dunno, I'm not going to count the comments, but it looks to me that besides the people who actually know the family, people are more likely to believe frum people stink rather than that the worst airline in the country by almost every metric may have screwed up.

Shrug.gif

Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: yesitsme on January 25, 2019, 12:07:52 AM
I dunno, I'm not going to count the comments, but it looks to me that besides the people who actually know the family, people are more likely to believe frum people stink rather than that the worst airline in the country by almost every metric may have screwed up.

Shrug.gif
Should I laugh or cry?
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: Lou Bob on January 25, 2019, 12:20:44 AM
Someone bring back @ChaimMoskowitz
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: ExGingi on January 25, 2019, 02:26:57 AM
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna962321

Quote
Meanwhile, the University of Houston on Thursday defended an engineering professor who urged students — especially those from India and southeast Asia — to be aware of body odor issues.

The message was sent to graduate engineering students, NBC affiliate KPRC reported.

"People from India use lots of spices and people from other Southeast Asian countries use lot of garlic which has lots of health benefits," according to a message. "However, there is one problem. The body odor due to consumption of these foods becomes strong."
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: yitzgar on January 25, 2019, 08:08:39 AM
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna962321
Didn't we have a thread about this at some point? I think foods were mentioned specifically.
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: jj1000 on January 25, 2019, 08:13:11 AM
Ok, so I did some digging. And I found out what they ate right before going to the airport.

And, well, this might explain a few things:

(https://i.imgur.com/5TbIxQW.jpg)

And I don't want to say who serves this, but they may or may not advertise this dish:

(https://i.imgur.com/hIeKL3P.png)

Anyway, you know what they say, you eat merde you smell like merde...

/joke.
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: S209 on January 25, 2019, 08:21:51 AM
Ok, so I did some digging. And I found out what they ate right before going to the airport.

And, well, this might explain a few things:

(https://i.imgur.com/5TbIxQW.jpg)

And I don't want to say who serves this, but they may or may not advertise this dish:

(https://i.imgur.com/hIeKL3P.png)

Anyway, you know what they say, you eat merde you smell like merde...

/joke.
Didn’t you order this recently? How’d it make you feel? ;D
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: sky121 on January 25, 2019, 09:29:25 AM
Everyone is so quick to scream anti semitism... And while it very well may have been instigated by anti semitism, there are stories all the time of people (Jews and Non-jews alike) being treated badly by airlines.
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: tzifanya54 on January 25, 2019, 10:21:51 AM
What I find extremely weird is that while this is all over the news. I have yet to see a single comment from anyone on that plane saying that it was indeed true. I would imagine if the “many” people complaining one or two wouldn’t read what the Adler’s are saying in the news, and comment saying that they did indeed smell. The fact that in this fast paced news driven world I have yet to see anyone comment, makes the airlines side hard to believe
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: kelev on January 25, 2019, 10:32:53 AM
Where is the rule about bo, stinking feet, excessive perfume, flatulence?

After such humiliation, I hope they're awarded millions on a court case.

Note to self: bathe before 2020, nah!
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: jj1000 on January 25, 2019, 10:51:07 AM
What I find extremely weird is that while this is all over the news. I have yet to see a single comment from anyone on that plane saying that it was indeed true. I would imagine if the “many” people complaining one or two wouldn’t read what the Adler’s are saying in the news, and comment saying that they did indeed smell. The fact that in this fast paced news driven world I have yet to see anyone comment, makes the airlines side hard to believe
And then they will be accused of being antisemetic and open themselves up to the same law suit,

That said ?s=12

And this could be a random person not even on the flight...
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: mmgfarb on January 25, 2019, 10:51:49 AM
Everyone is so quick to scream anti semitism... And while it very well may have been instigated by anti semitism, there are stories all the time of people (Jews and Non-jews alike) being treated badly by airlines.
I'm not sure why this is so hard for people here to grasp.
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: Redbull3 on January 25, 2019, 10:54:35 AM
Haha "body odor" in quotes in the subject can't help myself..

Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: tzifanya54 on January 25, 2019, 11:04:16 AM
And then they will be accused of being antisemetic and open themselves up to the same law suit,

That said ?s=12

And this could be a random person not even on the flight...
I stand corrected.
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: ADG on January 25, 2019, 11:27:46 AM
Dont want to get it off topic but Its time to bring some awareness to this issue.
You can find dirty people that dont shower in all religions and sectors, but there are too many of them in our ultra orthodox community
Not trying to be a self hating jew, but it kind of angers me why so many think that using deodorant or going in shower on a daily basis is against our values.
I was once in a Mikvah of a specific community that stinking is the norm and I literally almost threw up and never stepped foot again.

Ever heard of a 3-day yom-tov ;D

Plus judging by the smell of a mikva is not quite fair.
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: ExGingi on January 25, 2019, 11:31:08 AM
Ever heard of a 3-day yom-tov ;D

IME it's more about the clothing than the body. If one changes clothes regularly, especially (but not limited to) underwear, it isn't likely to become unbearable.
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: tzifanya54 on January 25, 2019, 11:34:58 AM
I was in Yeshivah with a guy that showered once a week. Problem is nobody will tell you that you smell. I would move away from wherever that guy sat down.
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: ExGingi on January 25, 2019, 11:40:24 AM
I was in Yeshivah with a guy that showered once a week. Problem is nobody will tell you that you smell. I would move away from wherever that guy sat down.

In some countries that's the norm (or at least used to be). I haven't been there, and haven't heard anything recently, but I've heard in the past that showering once a week is the norm in Russia. Though as I said above, if said person changes their clothes/underwear with freshly laundered clothes on a daily basis, it isn't likely to be bad. OTOH, showering daily and wearing the same clothes can be terrible.
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: jj1000 on January 25, 2019, 11:57:26 AM
So, who think we should post a free deodorant sample deal?

https://primalpitpaste.com/pages/free-deodorant-mini

Too soon?
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: gingyguy on January 25, 2019, 12:02:22 PM
So, who think we should post a free deodorant sample deal?

https://primalpitpaste.com/pages/free-deodorant-mini

Too soon?
paste ? IWW.....  but hey free is free
ETA shipping is $3.50
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: shapsam on January 25, 2019, 12:09:48 PM
Wow, Lucky's post is so much better than Gary's. (can you believe it?  :o)

https://onemileatatime.com/family-kicked-off-flight-odor/
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: ExGingi on January 25, 2019, 12:11:43 PM
So, who think we should post a free deodorant sample deal?

https://primalpitpaste.com/pages/free-deodorant-mini

Too soon?

Just tell people they can use baking soda.

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Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: mendyt on January 25, 2019, 12:12:34 PM
Ever heard of a 3-day yom-tov ;D

Plus judging by the smell of a mikva is not quite fair.
First of all ask your LOR there are ways to shower in yomtov. 
And I didnt mention where it was, I promise you that you wont judge once I tell you where it was.
It was the people using the mikvah plus they dont put chlorine in the mikvah and instead change the water daily
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: knowitall on January 25, 2019, 12:15:12 PM
I dunno, I'm not going to count the comments, but it looks to me that besides the people who actually know the family, people are more likely to believe frum people stink rather than that the worst airline in the country by almost every metric may have screwed up.

Shrug.gif
+1000
I'm not sure why so many people just assume AA was in the right and the pax were wrong.
and even if one of them did smell, (which I doubt, as it was in the 70s in MIA that day and they are normal people)

1) AA promised them their luggage, then lied and sent it to detroit.
2) both of them smelled bad enough to warrant getting booted from the plane???? It doesn't seem they really did "an individual smell test", rather just said "you guys smell, out!" If one had an issue, the other should still have been allowed to fly.
3)Why were they allowed to fly the next day, wearing the same clothes?

Idk if they were discriminated against for being jewish or not, but I highly doubt AA was justified in booting them.
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: mmgfarb on January 25, 2019, 12:17:56 PM
Wow, Lucky's post is so much better than Gary's. (can you believe it?  :o)

https://onemileatatime.com/family-kicked-off-flight-odor/
I'm not generally a fan of Lucky's posts on these kinds of things but I think this one was actually really good.
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: whYME on January 25, 2019, 12:21:00 PM
Was this an overbooked flight?
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: LoLo on January 25, 2019, 12:37:37 PM
1) AA promised them their luggage, then lied and sent it to detroit.

Aren't they legally required to remove the luggage from the plane?
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: aygart on January 25, 2019, 12:41:26 PM
What does the reporter who interviewed them in the airport say? Dis s/he feel that they smelled? What about the camera crew?
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: ExGingi on January 25, 2019, 12:42:45 PM
Hey mods, should this thread be merged with the other "body odor" thread into a "Master thread of Body Odor social norms"?
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: yuneeq on January 25, 2019, 12:57:20 PM
I'd just like to point out that nobody here has any right or reason to just claim that religious discrimination took place in this case. I get that the couple is claiming that but according to their own story, they don't really know if that's the case or not since they didn't even ask why they were being removed until they were already off the plane. Calling anti-semitism when you have absolutely no way of proving it does a disservice to all of us and does only harm, not good. Imagine if the same story took place with a black family and they claimed discrimination, half the people here would be saying that they are overreacting and calling racism just to justify themselves when they can't prove it. Don't be a hypocrite just because you happen to be Jewish also. While anti-semitism has been on the rise around the world in general, we should not be so quick to use it as an excuse for self-justification, especially when it is not verifiable and no violence took place.

Just my $.02.

The reason why you have to "imagine" this happening to a black family, is because it will never happen, no matter how smelly the blacks might be.
Furthermore, there's definitely smelly people from all walks of life, and obviously certain ethnicities and races more than others. However, this family is a nice clean cut family, you'd never expect anyone from any ethnicity that looks clean cut, to ever be thrown off a plane. And yes it would be upsetting if that happened, no matter the ethnicity.

In other words, it only happened to a clean cut family because people on the plane are anti-semitic, and the airline was more than happy to satisfy racists instead of ignoring them or solving it in a way that was not degrading or bothersome for the family. Despite Jewish people being a small % of the US, more than 50% of hate crime is against Jews, this is just another example of the widespread anti-semitic mentality that you think doesn't exist.
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: ExGingi on January 25, 2019, 01:31:48 PM
Despite Jewish people being a small % of the US, more than 50% of hate crime is against Jews, this is just another example of the widespread anti-semitic mentality that you think doesn't exist.

Where does that statistic come from?
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: S209 on January 25, 2019, 01:35:04 PM
The reason why you have to "imagine" this happening to a black family, is because it will never happen, no matter how smelly the blacks might be.
Furthermore, there's definitely smelly people from all walks of life, and obviously certain ethnicities and races more than others. However, this family is a nice clean cut family, you'd never expect anyone from any ethnicity that looks clean cut, to ever be thrown off a plane. And yes it would be upsetting if that happened, no matter the ethnicity.

In other words, it only happened to a clean cut family because people on the plane are anti-semitic, and the airline was more than happy to satisfy racists instead of ignoring them or solving it in a way that was not degrading or bothersome for the family. Despite Jewish people being a small % of the US, more than 50% of hate crime is against Jews, this is just another example of the widespread anti-semitic mentality that you think doesn't exist.
Does anybody really believe anti-semitism doesn’t exist? Just read the comments thread on any major online publication when there’s a story that involves a Jew.
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 25, 2019, 01:47:21 PM
Where does that statistic come from?
FBI releases bias crime stats. Giyf. Though I believe the stat is being misrepresented, it's over 50% of *religious* based bias crimes.
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: ExGingi on January 25, 2019, 01:58:07 PM
FBI releases bias crime stats. Giyf. Though I believe the stat is being misrepresented, it's over 50% of *religious* based bias crimes.
That makes a lot more sense.
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: chff on January 25, 2019, 02:31:42 PM
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@knowitall can you verify this?
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: lubaby on January 25, 2019, 02:46:53 PM
The reason why you have to "imagine" this happening to a black family, is because it will never happen, no matter how smelly the blacks might be.
Furthermore, there's definitely smelly people from all walks of life, and obviously certain ethnicities and races more than others. However, this family is a nice clean cut family, you'd never expect anyone from any ethnicity that looks clean cut, to ever be thrown off a plane. And yes it would be upsetting if that happened, no matter the ethnicity.

In other words, it only happened to a clean cut family because people on the plane are anti-semitic, and the airline was more than happy to satisfy racists instead of ignoring them or solving it in a way that was not degrading or bothersome for the family. Despite Jewish people being a small % of the US, more than 50% of hate crime is against Jews, this is just another example of the widespread anti-semitic mentality that you think doesn't exist.
In the news not so long ago..

https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-united-airlines-lawsuit-pungent-odor-20180512-story.html
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Nigerian woman kicked off United flight after white man complained she was 'pungent': lawsuit
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: S209 on January 27, 2019, 01:36:10 AM
In the news not so long ago..

https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-united-airlines-lawsuit-pungent-odor-20180512-story.html
Wow. Do you see the difference in the way the story is presented?

Here is their headline when it comes to a Jewish family..

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/midwest/ct-jewish-family-body-odor-american-airlines-20190125-story.html

Headlines:
“Michigan family booted over ‘body odor’, but they say anti-semitism to blame”
“Nigerian woman kicked off after white man complained she was ‘pungent’: lawsuit”
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: Definitions on January 27, 2019, 04:38:29 AM
Wow. Do you see the difference in the way the story is presented?

Here is their headline when it comes to a Jewish family..

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/midwest/ct-jewish-family-body-odor-american-airlines-20190125-story.html

Headlines:
“Michigan family booted over ‘body odor’, but they say anti-semitism to blame”
“Nigerian woman kicked off after white man complained she was ‘pungent’: lawsuit”
I don't get the difference
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: shapsam on January 27, 2019, 08:26:59 AM
I don't get the difference
You're serious?
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: moish on January 27, 2019, 09:28:40 AM
The thing I find the most interesting about this is the fact that they decided to publicize it. If it were me, Id be hiding in shame (Irrelevant whether I felt I smelled or not). And even if I would want to publicize it, my wife would never have let me
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: Definitions on January 27, 2019, 09:29:16 AM
You're serious?
Yes
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: Mordyk on January 27, 2019, 09:40:46 AM
The thing I find the most interesting about this is the fact that they decided to publicize it. If it were me, Id be hiding in shame (Irrelevant whether I felt I smelled or not). And even if I would want to publicize it, my wife would never have let me
+1. These people will forever smell in my head. Regardless the perfume they used that day ;D
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: Dan on January 27, 2019, 11:51:47 AM
The thing I find the most interesting about this is the fact that they decided to publicize it. If it were me, Id be hiding in shame (Irrelevant whether I felt I smelled or not). And even if I would want to publicize it, my wife would never have let me
Exactly
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: mgarfin on January 27, 2019, 12:02:55 PM
The thing I find the most interesting about this is the fact that they decided to publicize it. If it were me, Id be hiding in shame (Irrelevant whether I felt I smelled or not). And even if I would want to publicize it, my wife would never have let me

If I see correctly there was a reporter when they got off the plane.
Why was the reporter there? Seems strange
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: S209 on January 27, 2019, 12:34:20 PM
+1. These people will forever smell in my head. Regardless the perfume they used that day ;D
This is a good lesson on lashon hora. True or false, impressions will always remain.

Also, they probably didn’t think this through all the way on the spot, but I agree, I probably wouldn’t fight it publicly like this. Although like @ExGingi noted there is probably more to the story that we’re not hearing.
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: ah giten on January 27, 2019, 12:41:18 PM
The thing I find the most interesting about this is the fact that they decided to publicize it. If it were me, Id be hiding in shame (Irrelevant whether I felt I smelled or not). And even if I would want to publicize it, my wife would never have let me
well all this proves that they sure did NOT smell. if they would think of any mildest smell, they would flee the airport.
but one thing, I don't see why the blame is on AA, if someone complains abt a passenger they get the passenger off, now that complainer is the 1 who was anti-semite if anybody, and they should be held responsible. but they wouldn't speak for obvious reasons.
they should've asked who complained, and put up a show, like who else says I smell?
AA saying that "alot of ppl" were complaining, is something I would do as well, to wash clean of the case.
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: yesitsme on January 27, 2019, 02:04:13 PM
Kickstart BO spray  ;D
works wonders
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: Dave321 on January 28, 2019, 09:53:27 AM
well all this proves that they sure did NOT smell. if they would think of any mildest smell, they would flee the airport.


THIS. If indeed they did smell, they would run for the hills.
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 28, 2019, 03:14:54 PM
But Zaidy, if you *were* from Chelm, you probably wouldn't think it was so dumb to *be* from Chelm.
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: Luvisrael on January 28, 2019, 08:07:49 PM
If I see correctly there was a reporter when they got off the plane.
Why was the reporter there? Seems strange
something smells fishy ;D
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: ah giten on January 28, 2019, 10:07:06 PM
But Zaidy, if you *were* from Chelm, you probably wouldn't think it was so dumb to *be* from Chelm.
If you were from chelm and asked if you were a chelmer. I don't think you would say no.
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 29, 2019, 12:14:52 AM
If you were from chelm and asked if you were a chelmer. I don't think you would say no.
Do you know this from experience?
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: ah giten on January 29, 2019, 12:31:50 AM
Do you know this from experience?
Not regarding the chelmer question but regarding the smelling q, yes, multiple times.
Lol
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: RJ898 on January 30, 2019, 02:53:04 PM
That feeling when you go to the Mikvah every morning, and it gets you kicked off a flight...
Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: stooges44 on January 30, 2019, 03:26:20 PM
The thing I find the most interesting about this is the fact that they decided to publicize it. If it were me, Id be hiding in shame (Irrelevant whether I felt I smelled or not). And even if I would want to publicize it, my wife would never have let me

Because they know the whole thing is ridiculous so they may as well try to capitalize on it.

Also, in this facebook/instagram/(insert you social media of choice) infested world we live in, what was once considered shameful and should remain hidden, is now very much open and public  :-\

Title: Re: American kicks Jewish family off flights because of 'body odor'
Post by: knowitall on January 30, 2019, 04:07:31 PM
Because they know the whole thing is ridiculous so they may as well try to capitalize on it.

Also, in this facebook/instagram/(insert you social media of choice) infested world we live in, what was once considered shameful and should remain hidden, is now very much open and public  :-\
+1 if they were indeed guilty, they would've hung their heads in shame and never taken a single video, let alone call a news station.