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Title: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: BCL on March 11, 2019, 04:58:04 PM
First time making Pesach, what should be on my list?

Primarily for kitchen/food items, but you can add anything you find helpful
We would like to use disposables where we can.

I didn't see this discussed anywhere, so I think this could be a valuable topic, especially if we can add a wiki.

Any general advice or suggestions are welcome.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: shaulyaakov on March 11, 2019, 05:31:42 PM
First time making Pesach, what should be on my list?

Primarily for kitchen/food items, but you can add anything you find helpful
We would like to use disposables where we can.

I didn't see this discussed anywhere, so I think this could be a valuable topic, especially if we can add a wiki.

Any general advice or suggestions are welcome.

If you eat non shmura matzah outside of sedarim, most stores in the NYC area give 5lbs free or highly discounted with a minimum purchase, so it behooves one to spread shopping trips over different days/stores in order to get the deal as many times as needed.

Even if you don't eat the matzah, perhaps a family member or neighbor can use it, or you just save it for Shalosh Seduos during the year. Often Tomchei Shabbos will take any surplus boxes.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Alexsei on March 11, 2019, 05:50:28 PM
First time making Pesach, what should be on my list?

Primarily for kitchen/food items, but you can add anything you find helpful
We would like to use disposables where we can.

I didn't see this discussed anywhere, so I think this could be a valuable topic, especially if we can add a wiki.

Any general advice or suggestions are welcome.
Do not buy all non disposable stuff for year 1, split it for several years to come
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: sguitarist18 on March 11, 2019, 06:03:32 PM
Figure out where you're going to store all your pesach stuff.

We bought a plastic Keter shelve unit for our kitchen and put lots of stuff in there.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Naftuli19 on March 11, 2019, 06:10:52 PM
First time making Pesach, what should be on my list?

Primarily for kitchen/food items, but you can add anything you find helpful
We would like to use disposables where we can.

I didn't see this discussed anywhere, so I think this could be a valuable topic, especially if we can add a wiki.

Any general advice or suggestions are welcome.
A lot of meat!
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: yitzgar on March 11, 2019, 06:19:42 PM
Make general menu and base shopping list off of that. You will inevitably have to make smaller trips after getting more specific, but this is a good start for starting off with a big shopping trip or two
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: SSLPhD on March 12, 2019, 09:40:43 AM
I think some of it depends on your minhagim.  Do you use any processed/canned goods? Do you eat milchig? Etc.  Also, the number of people and ages will impact what you need.

You'll likely need disposable plastic containers: 3 oz, 8 oz, 1 lb, 2 lb.  Convenient for *everything*.

More disposables: foil pans of all sizes, foil, plastic wrap, vinyl tablecloth, 5 oz. cups (for sedarim), larger cups, bowls, plates, knives, spoons, forks, Ziploc bags in quart and gallon sizes, plastic baggies, twist ties, paper towels, stove foil, soup bags, counter covers, etc.

Like someone said, every year you can buy some non-disposables to replace the disposables. This is our 20th year making Pesach, and we still add to our kitchen equipment one or two things each year.

At the very minimum, start out with a good chef's knife and cutting board. The knife, almost singlehandedly, makes Pesach food prep less burdensome.  Peeler, paring knife, two fleishig pots, frying pan, utensil to use with frying pan. That's the bare minimum.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: ExGingi on March 12, 2019, 10:31:43 AM
I think some of it depends on your minhagim.  Do you use any processed/canned goods? Do you eat milchig? Etc.  Also, the number of people and ages will impact what you need.

You'll likely need disposable plastic containers: 3 oz, 8 oz, 1 lb, 2 lb.  Convenient for *everything*.

More disposables: foil pans of all sizes, foil, plastic wrap, vinyl tablecloth, 5 oz. cups (for sedarim), larger cups, bowls, plates, knives, spoons, forks, Ziploc bags in quart and gallon sizes, plastic baggies, twist ties, paper towels, stove foil, soup bags, counter covers, etc.

Like someone said, every year you can buy some non-disposables to replace the disposables. This is our 20th year making Pesach, and we still add to our kitchen equipment one or two things each year.

At the very minimum, start out with a good chef's knife and cutting board. The knife, almost singlehandedly, makes Pesach food prep less burdensome.  Peeler, paring knife, two fleishig pots, frying pan, utensil to use with frying pan. That's the bare minimum.

Get a good heavy duty food processor.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: aygart on March 12, 2019, 10:54:02 AM
if you will be doing any of your own pesach cakes then get a stand mixer
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: SSLPhD on March 12, 2019, 10:59:01 AM
Blech.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: ExGingi on March 12, 2019, 11:10:39 AM
I highly recommend using this tape (https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B00C0Z21PK), and this tape (https://www.homedepot.com/p/1-89-in-x-9-8-yds-322-Multi-Purpose-HVAC-Foil-Tape-1198777/100187909) for use in taping/covering up in your kitchen (and elsewhere).
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: aygart on March 12, 2019, 11:17:22 AM
I highly recommend using this tape (https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B00C0Z21PK), and this tape (https://www.homedepot.com/p/1-89-in-x-9-8-yds-322-Multi-Purpose-HVAC-Foil-Tape-1198777/100187909) for use in taping/covering up in your kitchen (and elsewhere).
They don't leave a residue?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: ExGingi on March 12, 2019, 11:39:47 AM
They don't leave a residue?
The first one I linked to never does (and in case you want to tape something inside a refrigerator, it's probably the only thing that will hold). The second one can be removed many times without residue, and when there is residue it's not too bad/difficult to remove IME. It is highly waterproof, I use it at seams.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Yehudaa on March 12, 2019, 12:45:20 PM
First time making Pesach, what should be on my list?

Primarily for kitchen/food items, but you can add anything you find helpful
We would like to use disposables where we can.

I didn't see this discussed anywhere, so I think this could be a valuable topic, especially if we can add a wiki.

Any general advice or suggestions are welcome.
Email this woman. She puts this as in the Sanhedria Murchevet Nshei every year. Alot of it is probably Israel-specific, but I assume there's alot that can be useful in chutz la'aretz as well.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: ckmk47 on March 12, 2019, 01:23:29 PM
if you will be doing any of your own pesach cakes then get a stand mixer
I use my food processor to whip the eggs and a hand mixer for the rest of the batter and then combine.  I don't have a Pesach stand mixer.  Although a simple one is not too expenseive.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: SSLPhD on March 12, 2019, 02:14:54 PM
I use my food processor to whip the eggs and a hand mixer for the rest of the batter and then combine.  I don't have a Pesach stand mixer.  Although a simple one is not too expenseive.
My daughter makes a chocolate mousse cake that is absolutely divine with just a hand mixer, separated eggs and all.  We don't even own a food processor for year round.  (We *had* one, but gave it away after it sat mostly unused for the better part of a decade.)

General advice:  at the end of Pesach, when you are putting everything away, make a list of THINGS YOU NEED and THINGS YOU DON'T NEED for the following Pesach, and hang it up just inside your Pesach cabinet/bin.  We usually put away some consumables, so those we would include on the DON'T NEED list, but if we ran out of something, or there is something we see we can't live without, it goes on the NEED list.  The next Pesach, we can do our shopping before we are ready to unpack everything.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: skyguy918 on March 12, 2019, 02:16:37 PM
Just think through everything in order (the idea of making menus would be included in that). First step is going to be kashering, so figure out what you'll need to accomplish that. Depending on what you want to kasher, and what your minhagim/shitos are in this realm, that can mean getting materials to cover countertops, refrigerator shelves, cabinet shelves, etc; sink inserts; steam machine (if you hold of kashering with steam) or even m'luban (if you hold that's required), etc,; and more. Then you can move on to things you'll need to prepare food - that's obviously dependent on whether you're home for everything (sedarim, other yom tov/shabbos meals, chol hamoed, etc), minhagim and/or personal taste of what you like to eat on pesach, etc. Same goes for buying the food itself. If you're making sedarim, add on all the foods and special items you'll need for that (kosos, something for a seder plate, enough matza and wine/grape juice, hagadas, etc.).
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: skyguy918 on March 12, 2019, 02:17:40 PM
My daughter makes a chocolate mousse cake that is absolutely divine with just a hand mixer, separated eggs and all.  We don't even own a food processor for year round.  (We *had* one, but gave it away after it sat mostly unused for the better part of a decade.)

General advice:  at the end of Pesach, when you are putting everything away, make a list of THINGS YOU NEED and THINGS YOU DON'T NEED for the following Pesach, and hang it up just inside your Pesach cabinet/bin.  We usually put away some consumables, so those we would include on the DON'T NEED list, but if we ran out of something, or there is something we see we can't live without, it goes on the NEED list.  The next Pesach, we can do our shopping before we are ready to unpack everything.
+1 to the hand mixer. Same for the lists after Pesach. I made a list of everything I put away, and started to add what I think we might need to buy before next pesach.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: yitzgar on March 12, 2019, 02:29:02 PM


My daughter makes a chocolate mousse cake that is absolutely divine with just a hand mixer, separated eggs and all.  We don't even own a food processor for year round.  (We *had* one, but gave it away after it sat mostly unused for the better part of a decade.)


Most people don't like grating hundreds of potatoes by hand
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: ExGingi on March 12, 2019, 02:34:28 PM

Most people don't like grating hundreds of potatoes by hand
+1

Also griding the Chrein is much easier with a good food processor.

I guess when it comes to equipment, it makes a huge difference as to what your Pesach menu looks like. For example, I can't imagine any use for a mixer in our Pesach kitchen. But definitely have use for a good food processor, a good manual citrus juice squeezer, and can make good use of a blender (for fruit smoothies).
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Yehudaa on March 12, 2019, 02:34:37 PM

Most people don't like grating hundreds of potatoes by hand
True, but if someone is making Pesach for their first time they might not need hundreds. When we first made Pesach we were 2 people.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: yitzgar on March 12, 2019, 02:45:14 PM


+1

Also griding the Chrein is much easier with a very very very good food processor.

Ftfy
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: yitzgar on March 12, 2019, 02:45:45 PM
True, but if someone is making Pesach for their first time they might not need hundreds. When we first made Pesach we were 2 people.
True. A cheap food processor just for potatoes and the like doesn't cost very much
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: ExGingi on March 12, 2019, 02:46:29 PM
True. A cheap food processor just for potatoes and the like doesn't cost very much
BTDT. Total waste of money.


Ftfy

Refer to my original reference regarding food processors:

Get a good heavy duty food processor.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: SSLPhD on March 12, 2019, 03:17:56 PM

Most people don't like grating hundreds of potatoes by hand
We use a grinder.  :-)  Much better texture.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: SSLPhD on March 12, 2019, 03:29:05 PM
Someone asked for the recipe.  It's from America's Test Kitchen.  We leave out the flour for Pesach, use margarine instead of butter.

Bittersweet Chocolate Mousse Cake
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Edited...Deleted as it really doesn't belong.  Can PM me, or I'll post in a better place.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: stooges44 on March 12, 2019, 03:33:43 PM
Someone asked for the recipe.  It's from America's Test Kitchen.  We leave out the flour for Pesach, use margarine instead of butter.

Bittersweet Chocolate Mousse Cake

Makes one 9-inch cake, serving 12 to 16
Because it is available in most supermarkets and has scored highly in past tastings, Hershey's Special Dark is the chocolate of choice in this recipe. Other bittersweet chocolates will work, but because the amounts of sugar and cocoa butter differ from brand to brand, they will produce cakes with slightly different textures and flavors. When crumbling the brown sugar to remove lumps, make sure that your fingers are clean and grease-free; any residual fat from butter or chocolate might hinder the whipping of the whites. If you like, dust the cake with confectioners' sugar just before serving or top slices with a dollop of lightly sweetened whipped cream. To make slicing easier, freeze the cake for 30 minutes just before serving.

12 tablespoons (1 ˝ sticks) unsalted butter, cut into 12 pieces, plus 1 teaspoon softened butter for greasing pan
Flour for dusting pan
12 ounces bittersweet chocolate (such as Hershey's Special Dark), chopped
1 ounce unsweetened chocolate, chopped
1 tablespoon vanilla extract
8 large eggs, separated
1/8 teaspoon salt
2/3 cup (4 ˝ ounces) packed light brown sugar, crumbled with fingers to remove lumps (see note)

1. Adjust an oven rack to the lower-middle position and heat the oven to 325 degrees. Butter the sides of a 9-inch springform pan; flour the sides and tap out the excess. Line the bottom of the pan with a parchment or waxed paper round. Wrap the bottom and sides of the pan with a large sheet of foil.
2. Melt 12 tablespoons butter and the chocolates in a large bowl over a large saucepan containing about 2 quarts barely simmering water, stirring occasionally, until the chocolate mixture is smooth. Cool the mixture slightly, then whisk in the vanilla and egg yolks. Set the chocolate mixture aside, reserving the hot water, covered, in the saucepan.
3. In the clean bowl of a standing mixer fitted with the whisk attachment, beat the egg whites and salt at medium speed until frothy, about 30 seconds; add half of the crumbled brown sugar, beat at high speed until combined, about 30 seconds, then add the remaining brown sugar and continue to beat at high speed until soft peaks form when the whisk is lifted (see photo on page 334), about 2 minutes longer. Using a whisk, stir about one third of the beaten egg whites into the chocolate mixture to lighten it, then fold in the remaining egg whites in 2 additions, using the whisk. Gently scrape the batter into the prepared springform pan, set the springform pan in a large roasting pan, then pour the hot water from the saucepan into the roasting pan to a depth of 1 inch. Carefully slide the roasting pan into the oven; bake until the cake has risen, is firm around the edges, the center has just set, and an instant-read thermometer inserted into the center registers about 170 degrees, 45 to 55 minutes.
4. Remove the springform pan from the water bath, discard the foil, and cool on a wire rack for 10 minutes. Run a thin-bladed paring knife between the sides of the pan and cake to loosen; cool the cake in the springform pan on a wire rack until barely warm, about 3 hours, then wrap the pan in plastic wrap and refrigerate until thoroughly chilled, at least 8 hours. (The cake can be refrigerated for up to 2 days.)
5. To unmold the cake, remove the sides of the pan. Slide a thin metal spatula between the cake and pan bottom to loosen, then invert the cake onto a large plate, peel off the parchment, and re-invert onto a serving platter. To serve, use a sharp, thin-bladed knife, dipping the knife in a pitcher of hot water and wiping the blade before each cut.

Oh boy, here it comes the "DDF Recipe Master Thread"

Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: ExGingi on March 12, 2019, 04:05:14 PM
Oh boy, here it comes the "DDF Recipe Master Thread"
Though for Pesach there should be two threads. One for those who's ingredients include only Potatoes, Eggs, Beets, Onions, Schmaltz and Chrein, and a separate one for those with a different variety of ingredients.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: SSLPhD on March 12, 2019, 04:24:52 PM
Oh boy, here it comes the "DDF Recipe Master Thread"
Yeah, it probably doesn't belong here.  Is there already a Pesach recipes thread it could be moved to?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Yehuda57 on March 12, 2019, 04:37:46 PM
Lubavitch Pesach Starter Kit

18 peelers
72 consol Mason jars
9 peeling knives
9 kitchen knives
9 knives that look similar to the other two kinds to confuse the Satan
Set of pots and pans
Seperate egg pot
Seperate beets pot
Brown paper bags for the wine
Tomato peeler that is never used
4 football field lengths of foil
3 football field lengths of clear plastic wrap
4 types of Lemon Juicers, each one that is finally gonna be *the one*
165,000 zip lock bags in Assorted sizes
4800 deli containers in Assorted sizes
וכו

Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: ExGingi on March 12, 2019, 04:45:04 PM
Lubavitch Pesach Starter Kit

18 peelers
72 consol Mason jars
9 peeling knives
9 kitchen knives
9 knives that look similar to the other two kinds to confuse the Satan
Set of pots and pans
Seperate egg pot
Seperate beets pot
Brown paper bags for the wine
Tomato peeler that is never used
4 football field lengths of foil
3 football field lengths of clear plastic wrap
4 types of Lemon Juicers, each one that is finally gonna be *the one*
165,000 zip lock bags in Assorted sizes
4800 deli containers in Assorted sizes
וכו

Those number are per how many people? They obviously can't be uniform regardless of the number of people.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Naftuli19 on March 12, 2019, 04:46:27 PM
Lubavitch Pesach Starter Kit

18 peelers
72 consol Mason jars
9 peeling knives
9 kitchen knives
9 knives that look similar to the other two kinds to confuse the Satan
Set of pots and pans
Seperate egg pot
Seperate beets pot
Brown paper bags for the wine
Tomato peeler that is never used
4 football field lengths of foil
3 football field lengths of clear plastic wrap
4 types of Lemon Juicers, each one that is finally gonna be *the one*
165,000 zip lock bags in Assorted sizes
4800 deli containers in Assorted sizes
וכו
And most important Adult Bibs!
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: stooges44 on March 12, 2019, 04:51:17 PM
Lubavitch Pesach Starter Kit

18 peelers
72 consol Mason jars
9 peeling knives
9 kitchen knives
9 knives that look similar to the other two kinds to confuse the Satan
Set of pots and pans
Seperate egg pot
Seperate beets pot
Brown paper bags for the wine
Tomato peeler that is never used
4 football field lengths of foil
3 football field lengths of clear plastic wrap
4 types of Lemon Juicers, each one that is finally gonna be *the one*
165,000 zip lock bags in Assorted sizes
4800 deli containers in Assorted sizes
וכו

You forgot: (not necessarily for Lubavitch)

1800 Haggadas in all shapes, sizes and languages (be sure to take them ALL down from the top shelf even though you will only use some of them, because hey, you never know..)
1 large print haggda for zaidy
1 extra large print haggda for bubby - for a bit more you can have it pre-stained with grape juice
2 afikomen bags (1 to use and 1 for when the first one falls behind the fridge and can no longer be retrieved)
1 case of plastic tablecloths
Lots of pillows for all the kids to fight over
Lady fingers!!! A trailer of them!
Macaroons - no human actually eats these things but you need them for the chol hamoed trip. It's a minhag, don't argue.

Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: ExGingi on March 12, 2019, 05:01:38 PM
You forgot: (not necessarily for Lubavitch)

1 case of plastic tablecloths

Huh? Where did you get that count from? Only 1 case? You need to figure out how many meals will be eaten at home, and how many on trips. One case per home meal, three for each trip.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: ExGingi on March 12, 2019, 05:02:54 PM
And most important. Don't underestimate the amount of Schmaltz needed. Every year I have friends and family begging me for some as they didn't buy enough! You can never have too much Schmaltz!
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Yehuda57 on March 12, 2019, 05:06:34 PM
Those number are per how many people? They obviously can't be uniform regardless of the number of people.
This is a starter pack
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Yehuda57 on March 12, 2019, 05:08:07 PM
Huh? Where did you get that count from? Only 1 case? You need to figure out how many meals will be eaten at home, and how many on trips. One case per home meal, three for each trip.
And it doesn't account for different size tables.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: LETSGOCUSTOM on March 12, 2019, 06:27:58 PM
First time making Pesach, what should be on my list?

Primarily for kitchen/food items, but you can add anything you find helpful
We would like to use disposables where we can.

I didn't see this discussed anywhere, so I think this could be a valuable topic, especially if we can add a wiki.

Any general advice or suggestions are welcome.

Why is this your first time making Pesach
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: LETSGOCUSTOM on March 12, 2019, 06:29:26 PM
And most important. Don't underestimate the amount of Schmaltz needed. Every year I have friends and family begging me for some as they didn't buy enough! You can never have too much Schmaltz!
what are you talking about
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: ExGingi on March 12, 2019, 06:39:57 PM
what are you talking about
Chicken fat.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: thaber on March 12, 2019, 11:50:09 PM
I highly recommend using this tape (https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B00C0Z21PK), and this tape (https://www.homedepot.com/p/1-89-in-x-9-8-yds-322-Multi-Purpose-HVAC-Foil-Tape-1198777/100187909) for use in taping/covering up in your kitchen (and elsewhere).
They don't leave a residue?
foil tape makes my pesach every year. easy on, lasts and easy off
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Definitions on March 13, 2019, 12:43:15 AM
Lubavitch Pesach Starter Kit

18 peelers
72 consol Mason jars
9 peeling knives
9 kitchen knives
9 knives that look similar to the other two kinds to confuse the Satan
Set of pots and pans
Seperate egg pot
Seperate beets pot
Brown paper bags for the wine
Tomato peeler that is never used
4 football field lengths of foil
3 football field lengths of clear plastic wrap
4 types of Lemon Juicers, each one that is finally gonna be *the one*
165,000 zip lock bags in Assorted sizes
4800 deli containers in Assorted sizes
וכו
I can't tell if that's a Kiddush lubavitch or chillul lubavitch. But one thing is for sure, that's a big lubavitch Kiddush.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: ExGingi on March 13, 2019, 01:01:26 AM
I can't tell if that's a Kiddush lubavitch or chillul lubavitch. But one thing is for sure, that's a big lubavitch Kiddush.
Nah. מ׳מישט ניט.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: ckmk47 on March 13, 2019, 01:31:25 AM
+1

Also griding the Chrein is much easier with a good food processor.

I guess when it comes to equipment, it makes a huge difference as to what your Pesach menu looks like. For example, I can't imagine any use for a mixer in our Pesach kitchen. But definitely have use for a good food processor, a good manual citrus juice squeezer, and can make good use of a blender (for fruit smoothies).
A good food processor may have a juicer attachment. 
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: grodnoking on March 13, 2019, 06:27:56 AM
A good food processor may have a juicer attachment.
I find the cheaper ones come with a juicer attachment and a whole bunch of other attachments you'll never use. As opposed to the more expensive ones.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: ExGingi on March 13, 2019, 07:46:41 AM
A good food processor may have a juicer attachment.
That toy might work if you're trying to squeeze 2 lemons. Not when you need to squeeze 3 dozen lemons, a case and a half of oranges, and two cases of grapefruit. For serious citrus squeezing you want a good commercial type manual squeezer.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: MeirS on March 13, 2019, 08:41:00 AM
And most important. Don't underestimate the amount of Schmaltz needed. Every year I have friends and family begging me for some as they didn't buy enough! You can never have too much Schmaltz!
Can you get schmaltz from a cow?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: ckmk47 on March 13, 2019, 09:18:29 AM
That toy might work if you're trying to squeeze 2 lemons. Not when you need to squeeze 3 dozen lemons, a case and a half of oranges, and two cases of grapefruit. For serious citrus squeezing you want a good commercial type manual squeezer.
Unless OP is on the Chabad plan, he won't be squeezing quite so much. I'm on the modified Chabad plan, and I only squeeze about half a case of lemons.  No OJ or GJ.  We drink water, LJ and iced tea.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Yehuda57 on March 13, 2019, 11:41:52 AM
Unless OP is on the Chabad plan, he won't be squeezing quite so much. I'm on the modified Chabad plan, and I only squeeze about half a case of lemons.  No OJ or GJ.  We drink water, LJ and iced tea.

We don't do iced tea, peeling the tea leaves is too difficult.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: ExGingi on March 13, 2019, 12:04:13 PM
We don't do iced tea, peeling the tea leaves is too difficult.
Try using the tomato peeler.

We don't drink lemon juice, my kids just to my like for it as a flavor enhancer to an entirely new level and douse all their food with it (they actually like to snack on lemons with salt, go figure).
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: joey89 on March 13, 2019, 12:14:52 PM
(they actually like to snack on lemons with salt, go figure).

Was at a restaurant recently, where the service was very slow. My 3 year old in his hunger went around the table pulling the lemons from all the drinks and proceeded to suck them dry. He claimed that he liked it. (He still occasionally asks for a lemon to eat  ::))
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: lubaby on March 13, 2019, 12:37:14 PM
We don't do iced tea, peeling the tea leaves is too difficult.
You need to treat them the same as tomatoes. Put them in boiling water for a a bit, take them out and the peels should come right off :)
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Yehuda57 on March 13, 2019, 12:42:44 PM
You need to treat them the same as tomatoes. Put them in boiling water for a a bit, take them out and the peels should come right off :)
Mind = blown
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: MeirS on March 13, 2019, 01:31:25 PM
You need to treat them the same as tomatoes. Put them in boiling water for a a bit, take them out and the peels should come right off :)
Do you really do that for tomatoes? Seems extremely counter productive.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: lubaby on March 13, 2019, 01:35:59 PM
Do you really do that for tomatoes? Seems extremely counter productive.
My family used to. 30 seconds to a minute (quick blanch). Just enough to get the peel softened but not the actual tomato.

Not sure what the current procedures are (haven't been there in a few years).
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: MeirS on March 13, 2019, 01:42:42 PM
My family used to. 30 seconds to a minute (quick blanch). Just enough to get the peel softened but not the actual tomato.

Not sure what the current procedures are (haven't been there in a few years).
Wouldn't hot water be considered cooking to a degree and everything on the surface will now be considered inside the fruit?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: whYME on March 13, 2019, 01:50:21 PM
Wouldn't hot water be considered cooking to a degree and everything on the surface will now be considered inside the fruit?
It's done before pesach when it would be batul b'shishim.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: MeirS on March 13, 2019, 01:59:31 PM
It's done before pesach when it would be batul b'shishim.
You peel all your tomatoes before Pesach?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: lubaby on March 13, 2019, 02:00:38 PM
You peel all your tomatoes before Pesach?
All the ones you don't want to have to sit and peel (enough for the first days at least).
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: MeirS on March 13, 2019, 02:02:54 PM
All the ones you don't want to have to sit and peel (enough for the first days at least).
It's an interesting idea,

I guess once we finish all the Kashering and all else which needs to be done before Sof Zman Biur, if there's spare time we'll start with the tomatoes.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: whYME on March 13, 2019, 02:09:30 PM
You peel all your tomatoes before Pesach?
No, but the hot water is only done before Pesach.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: ExGingi on March 13, 2019, 02:20:49 PM
Easiest solution - no tomatoes on Pesach.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: incendia on March 15, 2019, 09:01:58 AM
Get the wine glasses for the Seder


https://www.dansdeals.com/shopping-deals/kitchen/set-12-martha-stewart-glasses-just-9-99-macys/
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: username on March 15, 2019, 09:18:42 AM
Or the appliances.

https://www.dansdeals.com/shopping-deals/kitchen/small-appliances-pots-just-9-99-macys-rebate-save-cuisinart-bella-presto-t-fal/
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: ExGingi on March 15, 2019, 10:33:18 AM
Get the wine glasses for the Seder


https://www.dansdeals.com/shopping-deals/kitchen/set-12-martha-stewart-glasses-just-9-99-macys/
Yes and No. Get them, but get the smallest acceptable size based on the Halachic ruling you follow. So I'd say not those in the link.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: skyguy918 on March 15, 2019, 11:38:31 AM
Yes and No. Get them, but get the smallest acceptable size based on the Halachic ruling you follow. So I'd say not those in the link.
+1. If you want nice glasses for pesach meals in general, go right ahead. But don't buy 12oz glasses to use for the 4 cups.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: dealfinder11 on March 16, 2019, 11:17:09 PM
anyone know any caterers/Take outs in tri state that sell KLP 9x13 pans of food with big menus?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: moko on March 17, 2019, 08:14:23 AM
Lubavitch Pesach Starter Kit

18 peelers
72 consol Mason jars
9 peeling knives
9 kitchen knives
9 knives that look similar to the other two kinds to confuse the Satan
Set of pots and pans
Seperate egg pot
Seperate beets pot
Brown paper bags for the wine
Tomato peeler that is never used
4 football field lengths of foil
3 football field lengths of clear plastic wrap
4 types of Lemon Juicers, each one that is finally gonna be *the one*
165,000 zip lock bags in Assorted sizes
4800 deli containers in Assorted sizes
וכו
I didn't see any disposable pots and pans  :o
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Alexsei on April 09, 2019, 07:20:20 AM
Nice list from a houseware store...
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: doodle on April 09, 2019, 08:13:41 AM
Easiest solution - no tomatoes on Pesach.
If your looking for Chumrahs start with matzo.
Typical Chosid Shoitah ( Not you of course)
Peels all their tomatoes , squeezes their own fruit ,
And ..Than buys the cheapest Matzos,
and is essentially “mishing” With the lowest standard bakery .
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: yitzgar on April 09, 2019, 08:26:16 AM
If your looking for Chumrahs start with matzo.
Typical Chosid Shoitah ( Not you of course)
Peels all their tomatoes , squeezes their own fruit ,
And ..Than buys the cheapest Matzos,
and is essentially “mishing” With the lowest standard bakery .
Calm down. I don't know anyone who does this, do you?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: doodle on April 09, 2019, 09:10:32 AM
Calm down. I don't know anyone who does this, do you?
Yes
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: mercaz1 on April 09, 2019, 11:53:14 AM
Nice list from a houseware store...

why would you need a new bathstopper or hair clipper
some of this stuff is funny

do people really get new garbage cans?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: ExGingi on April 09, 2019, 11:59:14 AM
why would you need a new bathstopper or hair clipper
some of this stuff is funny

do people really get new garbage cans?
Similar to changing batteries on smoke detectors when clocks are moved, it's just a prompt to do something that might be done periodically. Or just a way for the store to get you to buy additional items and maybe get you into another aisle in the store.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: whYME on April 09, 2019, 12:14:03 PM
why would you need a new ... hair clipper
Well right before Pesach is a busy haircut time
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: ExGingi on April 09, 2019, 12:16:48 PM
Yes

So rather than call names, why don't you just educate that person about where the biggest חשש חמץ actually is.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: PlatinumGuy on April 09, 2019, 12:23:56 PM
So rather than call names, why don't you just educate that person about where the biggest חשש חמץ actually is.
Also about Hiddur in the kiyum of Mitzvas Matza.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: ExGingi on April 09, 2019, 12:32:54 PM
Also about Hiddur in the kiyum of Mitzvas Matza.
As in making sure it is true לחם עוני.  ;D
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: shaulyaakov on April 09, 2019, 12:37:09 PM
Why would someone need to squeeze his own lemons?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: ExGingi on April 09, 2019, 12:38:42 PM
Why would someone need to squeeze his own lemons?

For the same reason people don't want any other food items that aren't produced at their own home.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: shaulyaakov on April 09, 2019, 12:54:36 PM
Why don't people then bake all of their own matzahs? Sugar? Chocolate?

What is the line of things that are allowed to be produced elsewhere?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: ExGingi on April 09, 2019, 01:05:31 PM
Why don't people then bake all of their own matzahs? Sugar? Chocolate?

What is the line of things that are allowed to be produced elsewhere?

I know of one family that bakes their own matzah, but for most people it's simply not practical. I know quite a few that don't use sugar. And many that will cook the sugar before Pesach, and won't use chocolate.

So it's basically Matzos and Wine that are almost universally not produced at home (though for wine that might still mean homemade wine - just not at my own home, rather by someone else I trust).
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: shaulyaakov on April 09, 2019, 01:13:53 PM
I know of one family that bakes their own matzah, but for most people it's simply not practical. I know quite a few that don't use sugar. And many that will cook the sugar before Pesach, and won't use chocolate.

So it's basically Matzos and Wine that are almost universally not produced at home (though for wine that might still mean homemade wine - just not at my own home, rather by someone else I trust).

Why is an individual's wine more trustworthy that Eidah Charedis wine? You personally use zero externally processed foods other than matzah? Do you milk the cows yourself (pasturization and added minerals)?

This reminds me of the Mishnah in Pesachim that talks about whether you need to redo your bedikah in case a mouse brings in a piece of bread, and the masknah is Ein L'Dvar Sof.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: yitzgar on April 09, 2019, 01:35:29 PM
Why is an individual's wine more trustworthy that Eidah Charedis wine? You personally use zero externally processed foods other than matzah? Do you milk the cows yourself (pasturization and added minerals)?

This reminds me of the Mishnah in Pesachim that talks about whether you need to redo your bedikah in case a mouse brings in a piece of bread, and the masknah is Ein L'Dvar Sof.
But we don't therefore say not to bother checking. Rather, you do what you can and that's it. So the question here is what's considered normal and what is extreme. It is a subjective question, and no use arguing, no one will change anyone else's mind.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: whYME on April 09, 2019, 01:47:11 PM
Do you milk the cows yourself (pasturization and added minerals)?
I can't quite put my finger on it, but I feel like there must be a way for someone who doesn't eat any processed food on Pesach to avoid milking any cows...
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: ExGingi on April 09, 2019, 02:09:55 PM
Why is an individual's wine more trustworthy that Eidah Charedis wine? You personally use zero externally processed foods other than matzah? Do you milk the cows yourself (pasturization and added minerals)?
Any commercial wine has additives. My wife and most of the kids don't go for dry wine, so it's Eidah Charedis certified wine for them.

I try to avoid comercially processed foods as much as possible.

I don't milk the cows myself, and don't really use dairy, as there's not much to be done with it (I'm not a milk drinker, nor is anyone in my house). But in theory, that would be another processed food that I would use under the "no other practical choice" rule.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: ExGingi on April 09, 2019, 02:12:53 PM
Why is an individual's wine more trustworthy that Eidah Charedis wine?

You remind me of a head of a certain Kashrus organization who claimed that Orange Juice under his organizations certification is more mehudar for Pesach, as the commerical plants bathe/wash the oranges prior to squeezing. The only issue is that he was making an assumption - at my home we wash oranges, grapefruit and lemons which are squeezed on Pesach.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: miles lover on April 09, 2019, 02:36:19 PM
I know of one family that bakes their own matzah, but for most people it's simply not practical. I know quite a few that don't use sugar. And many that will cook the sugar before Pesach, and won't use chocolate.

So it's basically Matzos and Wine that are almost universally not produced at home (though for wine that might still mean homemade wine - just not at my own home, rather by someone else I trust).
The family bakes their own matzah at home ?
  If you go down to the bakery and help/watch them bake, is that considered mishing ? Also, all chabad doesn’t mish? They wouldn’t go to the hotels ?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: ExGingi on April 09, 2019, 02:53:07 PM
The family bakes their own matzah at home ?
  If you go down to the bakery and help/watch them bake, is that considered mishing ? Also, all chabad doesn’t mish? They wouldn’t go to the hotels ?
Said family has their own matzah bakery in their basement.

Who is "all chabad"?
Title: First time making Pesach
Post by: Jellybelly on March 20, 2020, 12:16:56 AM
Unless things change drastically, it Seems like I’ll be making Pesach for the first time this yr. Feel free to post all tips on cleaning, shopping, cooking...
I vaguely remember that Rav Sheinberg used to tell ladies that you can clean a house for Pesach in a day and he had a list of what needs to be cleaned and what doesn’t. Does anyone have the list?
Title: Re: First time making Pesach
Post by: Baruch on March 20, 2020, 12:17:55 AM
Following
Title: Re: First time making Pesach
Post by: yitzgar on March 20, 2020, 12:19:04 AM
I think there's already at least one thread like this
Title: Re: First time making Pesach
Post by: RewardsAddict on March 20, 2020, 12:24:47 AM
I think there's already at least one thread like this
Which one?
Title: Re: First time making Pesach
Post by: aygart on March 20, 2020, 12:31:54 AM
Step one. Consult with your Rov for guidance of what to do regarding cleaning and kashering and cooking.

Step two. Do not make additional chumros

Step three, if there is a specific minhag about a chumra refer to step one regarding whether our not it should be kept to under the current circumstances.
Title: Re: Re: First time making Pesach
Post by: ckmk47 on March 20, 2020, 04:26:55 AM
The places I see people wasting the most time:
1) A place that doesn't usually have chometz needs a check not an inch by inch scrub.  Unless you have small kids that eat around the house, or you tend to eat in your bedroom, check the drawers (no need to spring clean them), check the closet shelves and the clothing pockets and cuffs, vaccuum everywhere - voila! your bedroom is done.
2) If you're selling it to a goy - don't scrub it!  dishes, pots, etc   Food cabinets don't need to be emptied and spring cleaned before being closed  up for the goy.  For those who don't sell actual chometz, check with your rov if crumbs on the pantry shelves count.
3) Toys.  Close up the majority for the week.  Take out the things they really play with and clean those to leave out.
Cleaning toys for Pesach doesn't mean making the toys clean.  Grunge is NOT chometz.  Prepare a shissel with water and add a bit of cleanser, such as Mr. Clean. All plastic toys get dunked and put onto a towel.  Sit on the floor and dunk Lego/ Duplo, little people toy. A little tedious, but all the chometz is fully nullified. Of course if you see a chunk of dirt on a piece, toss it into the cabinet to save for after Pesach.  Large plastic toys can be sprayed with a cleanser/ water mixture without being wiped down and actually cleaned.

Title: Re: First time making Pesach
Post by: SSLPhD on March 20, 2020, 06:12:00 AM
There is already a thread here on this, but it got pushed way down.  Here is the link to the "Making Pesach For The First Time" thread from last year on General Discussion:

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=102168.0
Title: Re: Re: First time making Pesach
Post by: moko on March 20, 2020, 06:12:29 AM

3) Toys.  Close up the majority for the week.  Take out the things they really play with and clean those to leave out.
Cleaning toys for Pesach doesn't mean making the toys clean.  Grunge is NOT chometz.  Prepare a shissel with water and add a bit of cleanser, such as Mr. Clean. All plastic toys get dunked and put onto a towel.  Sit on the floor and dunk Lego/ Duplo, little people toy. A little tedious, but all the chometz is fully nullified. Of course if you see a chunk of dirt on a piece, toss it into the cabinet to save for after Pesach.  Large plastic toys can be sprayed with a cleanser/ water mixture without being wiped down and actually cleaned.
you got this one way off. Fill a bath tub with water add some have the kids dump the toys in and scrub..... Quarantine activity  ;D make sure it takes as long as possible
Title: Re: First time making Pesach
Post by: CountValentine on March 20, 2020, 07:39:58 AM
As always I am here to take one for the team and buy your things.  ;)
Title: Re: First time making Pesach
Post by: yitzgar on March 20, 2020, 07:53:47 AM
As always I am here to take one for the team and buy your things.  ;)
Title: Re: First time making Pesach
Post by: gingyguy on March 20, 2020, 07:53:58 AM
As always I am here to take one for the team and buy your things.  ;)
Just remember when we are desparate to buy it back, youre not allowed to price gouge :D
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Dan on March 20, 2020, 12:34:40 PM
Moving this here temporarily.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: aygart on March 20, 2020, 12:48:01 PM
I cannot stress enough how important it will be to discuss any chumros (including those due to minhagim) with a Rov. This year is a true sha'as hadchak.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: shloma on March 20, 2020, 02:34:20 PM
Get a good heavy duty food processor.
Any good deal?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: YitzyS on March 20, 2020, 02:39:38 PM
Support local stores when shopping for Pesach https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=115017.0
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: kalzone on March 20, 2020, 04:02:31 PM
@Dan can we have a thread for deals on items that are needed/useful for pesach?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Joel2 on March 22, 2020, 10:34:22 AM
We need someone with experience to create a wiki.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: RewardsAddict on March 22, 2020, 10:35:16 AM
We need someone with experience to create a wiki.
+1. I might have to stay home for pesach, would be much easier for a wiki than having to read through the whole thread.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: cgr on March 22, 2020, 11:56:45 AM
A frum wholesaler opened a special website where he is selling his upscale party goods (plastic cutlery, etc.) at wholesale prices (but no wholesale quantities required) with free shipping if you spend $99.

Wholesale.smartyhadaparty.com
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: yg1836 on March 22, 2020, 12:24:35 PM
We need someone with experience to create a wiki.
+1 would appreciate it tremendously
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: YitzyS on March 22, 2020, 12:31:16 PM
This is a helpful resource, but first, read this thread about shopping local. If your local store cannot service you, then resort to online shopping. Or use this online list to help you plan for local shopping.

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=115017.0

Online Pesach shopping list: https://betweencarpools.com/the-pesach-kitchen-master-list/
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Shua on March 22, 2020, 02:45:32 PM
A stand kitchen mixer for cakes/baked goods (you could buy a cheap one like sunbeam dont need a heavy duty one like kitchenaid)

A food processor for kugels

Get new oven racks for pesach. If you self clean your oven and leave the racks in it will become harder to slide in and out of the oven.

On that note many ovens break if you self clean. Ask Rov if there is ways around this (500 for a few hours). If you have a double wall oven and need to self clean definitely do it at separate times (and open a window).

The St moritz oven spray is amazing but be CAREFUL. Can cause burns.

Get a sink insert if you have stainless steel sinks so doesnt scratch the sink

I have a small toaster oven and fridge that I use for chometz once we change over so the kids can eat (will prob change motzie shabbos before yom tov this year) and leave it in dining room

We are a family of 6 (2 adults 4 kids) and we used 7lbs of matzo last year. Last year there was no shabbos chol hamohed but we did have guests/family for a seder and other meals which probably (definitely?) wont happen this year. So I assume around 7lbs again. (Rather have too much then too little!)

A bottle of wine equals a bit more than all 4 cups. So a bottle of wine a person per night.

Definitely talk to your Rov regarding how to clean your kitchen (you might be a lot more machmir than you think).





Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: 12HRS on March 22, 2020, 04:57:05 PM
I cannot stress enough how important it will be to discuss any chumros (including those due to minhagim) with a Rov. This year is a true sha'as hadchak.

cant wait to see the ashkenazim eating kitniyos
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: miles lover on March 22, 2020, 05:00:07 PM
cant wait to see the ashkenazim eating kitniyos
Huh ? No way. In your dreams....
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: 12HRS on March 22, 2020, 05:00:49 PM
Huh ? No way. In your dreams....

was a joke but what do you think they did in prewar europe when there were no potatoes?

Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: miles lover on March 22, 2020, 05:05:25 PM
was a joke but what do you think they did in prewar europe when there were no potatoes?
I have no clue. I haven’t heard any crazy pesach stories from my grandparents.
 Either way, what are the chances we won’t be able to go to away to our parents for pesach ? I can imagine there will be a Kol koreh from r Chaim kanievsky not to go away because that’s what his gabbai put in front of him...
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: 12HRS on March 22, 2020, 05:06:04 PM
I have no clue.

they ate kitniyos
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: 12HRS on March 22, 2020, 05:10:40 PM
Apparently Amazing Savings will not remain open. that just made this 10x harder for some people
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: incendia on March 22, 2020, 05:43:59 PM
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Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: good sam on March 22, 2020, 05:59:58 PM
I tell my wife there is no concept in halacha of "cleaning" for Pesach, only searching for chametz. Cleaning is only necessary in places that might come in contact with food on Pesach, and to the extent cleaning is necessary to make searching possible.

Agree?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: ckmk47 on March 22, 2020, 06:15:36 PM
I tell my wife there is no concept in halacha of "cleaning" for Pesach, only searching for chametz. Cleaning is only necessary in places that might come in contact with food on Pesach, and to the extent cleaning is necessary to make searching possible.

Agree?
But in place that "machnisim bo chometz" -  places actually used for chometz, like the kitchen, you need to 'search' for very long,  while holding a scouring pad and cleanser.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: stooges44 on March 22, 2020, 06:16:26 PM
I tell my wife there is no concept in halacha of "cleaning" for Pesach, only searching for chametz. Cleaning is only necessary in places that might come in contact with food on Pesach, and to the extent cleaning is necessary to make searching possible.

Agree?

Yes, but with a toddler and other kids not much older the places that come in contact with food are way more than otherwise.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: good sam on March 22, 2020, 06:17:54 PM
Yes, but with a toddler and other kids not much older the places that come in contact with food are way more than otherwise.
I don't think so. It's true that more places require checking but bedroom closets are not coming in contact with food on Pesach.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: stooges44 on March 22, 2020, 06:19:34 PM
I don't think so. It's true that more places require checking but bedroom closets are not coming in contact with food on Pesach.

I guess I have really messy kids then  :-\ .
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: flyingace on March 22, 2020, 06:53:46 PM
Three things:
1-The kitchen takes longer than you think. Leave yourself plenty of time to kasher and cover AFTER the cleaning is all done.
2-Preparing for the seder also takes time.
3-Don't forget that everyone needs to eat on Erev Pesach. Some ideas: vegetable soup, potato knishes, fried hamburgers and yapchik.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: moko on March 22, 2020, 07:14:16 PM
Three things:
1-The kitchen takes longer than you think. Leave yourself plenty of time to kasher and cover AFTER the cleaning is all done.
2-Preparing for the seder also takes time.
3-Don't forget that everyone needs to eat on Erev Pesach. Some ideas: vegetable soup, potato knishes, fried hamburgers and yapchik.
1. With the right equipment it's actually quite easy and quick. If you have sufficient funds I can recommend some great equipment. Such as a steamer that has a setting which shoots 210f water who h according to RSZA even works for the chumra of davar gush since it's all ha'eish. Little mess. Quick job. Cost $1150. Also works great for general cleaning. Small and large brush heads
Small MAPP torch for stainless sinks works great, if your comfortable with it. PM for more details about measuring Kash nisraf vs yad soledes.

2. +10000

3.+10000 (salami and eggs)
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: flyingace on March 22, 2020, 07:18:09 PM
1. With the right equipment it's actually quite easy and quick. If you have sufficient funds I can recommend some great equipment. Such as a steamer that has a setting which shoots 210f water who h according to RSZA even works for the chumra of davar gush since it's all ha'eish. Little mess. Quick job. Cost $1150. Also works great for general cleaning. Small and large brush heads
Small MAPP torch for stainless sinks works great, if your comfortable with it. PM for more details about measuring Kash nisraf vs yad soledes.

2. +10000

3.+10000 (salami and eggs)

I find that the actual cleaning out and being ready for the kashering takes a lot of time, not the kashering itself. We also cover everything after it's had boiling water poured over it all... Not getting into halacha here....
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: ltttc on March 22, 2020, 07:23:03 PM
I find that the actual cleaning out and being ready for the kashering takes a lot of time, not the kashering itself. We also cover everything after it's had boiling water poured over it all... Not getting into halacha here....
So true! Kashering takes a few min but the b4 and after is what takes time and work. If you don't have a separate fridge/freezer -that will also take time to clean and cover.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: yitzgar on March 22, 2020, 07:28:09 PM
So true! Kashering takes a few min but the b4 and after is what takes time and work. If you don't have a separate fridge/freezer -that will also take time to clean and cover.
Not everyone covers, but yes, cleaning fridge will probably take longer than you think
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: flyingace on March 23, 2020, 04:29:02 PM
https://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2020/03/thousands-making-pesach-for-the-first-time-heres-a-helpful-checklist-downloadable.html
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: avromie7 on March 23, 2020, 05:53:00 PM
A stand kitchen mixer for cakes/baked goods (you could buy a cheap one like sunbeam dont need a heavy duty one like kitchenaid)

A food processor for kugels

Get new oven racks for pesach. If you self clean your oven and leave the racks in it will become harder to slide in and out of the oven.

On that note many ovens break if you self clean. Ask Rov if there is ways around this (500 for a few hours). According to R' Aaron you can according to R' Moshe you can't  If you have a double wall oven and need to self clean definitely do it at separate times (and open a window).

The St moritz oven spray is amazing but be CAREFUL. Can cause burns.

Get a sink insert if you have stainless steel sinks so doesnt scratch the sink

I have a small toaster oven and fridge that I use for chometz once we change over so the kids can eat (will prob change motzie shabbos before yom tov this year) and leave it in dining room

We are a family of 6 (2 adults 4 kids) and we used 7lbs of matzo last year. Last year there was no shabbos chol hamohed but we did have guests/family for a seder and other meals which probably (definitely?) wont happen this year. So I assume around 7lbs again. (Rather have too much then too little!) Sounds like very little

A bottle of wine equals a bit more than all 4 cups. So a bottle of wine a person per night. Depends on the size of your becher

Definitely talk to your Rov regarding how to clean your kitchen (you might be a lot more machmir than you think).
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Onefishtwofishredfishblue on March 24, 2020, 08:01:49 AM
I need a set of cheap pots and a cheap food processor, does anyone have any recommendations?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Ergel on March 24, 2020, 08:15:03 AM
See DDMS for cheap pots from Macy's
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Luvisrael on March 24, 2020, 09:33:31 AM
U can get a lot of things for the Seder on Amazon. Seder plate, dishes or nice plasticware, pots pans etc...
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: YitzyS on March 24, 2020, 10:28:19 AM
I need a set of cheap pots and a cheap food processor, does anyone have any recommendations?
SHOP LOCAL!! (When it is safe to do so)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=115017.0
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: etech0 on March 24, 2020, 10:55:53 AM
See DDMS for cheap pots from Macy's
2 options
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: yitzgar on March 24, 2020, 11:27:35 AM
U can get a lot of things for the Seder on Amazon. Seder plate, dishes or nice plasticware, pots pans etc...
If you want it in time for shavuos....
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: etech0 on March 24, 2020, 11:28:13 AM
https://betweencarpools.com/pesach-is-coming-you-are-going-to-need-disposables/
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Onefishtwofishredfishblue on March 24, 2020, 11:37:11 AM
See DDMS for cheap pots from Macy's

Those are a whole set. One of them doesn't have a large pot.
Im just looking for a set of medium and large pots.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: ltttc on March 24, 2020, 12:15:48 PM
Those are a whole set. One of them doesn't have a large pot.
Im just looking for a set of medium and large pots.
https://www.amazon.com/Farberware-Classic-Stainless-4-Quart-Saucepot/dp/B00005RS8C/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?keywords=farberware+pots&qid=1585066511&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzT1VGRTNORFJJOTRBJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMTQ0MTE2MjBFUzY2WlIzUkhIQiZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNjQ1NTcxUjkwQkIxTVVNMTRGJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: YitzyS on March 24, 2020, 12:17:23 PM
https://www.amazon.com/Farberware-Classic-Stainless-4-Quart-Saucepot/dp/B00005RS8C/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?keywords=farberware+pots&qid=1585066511&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzT1VGRTNORFJJOTRBJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMTQ0MTE2MjBFUzY2WlIzUkhIQiZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNjQ1NTcxUjkwQkIxTVVNMTRGJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==
Ships after Pesach
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: ltttc on March 24, 2020, 12:20:17 PM
Ships after Pesach
Hmmm, my bad. Perhaps your local store can ship it to you if you order above a minimum $ amount.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: YitzyS on March 24, 2020, 12:25:31 PM
Hmmm, my bad. Perhaps your local store can ship it to you if you order above a minimum $ amount.
SHOP LOCAL!! (When it is safe to do so)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=115017.0
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: etech0 on March 24, 2020, 12:27:38 PM
Some stores are doing curbside pickup
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: aygart on March 24, 2020, 12:30:34 PM
Cuisinart Elite Collection 2.0 12-Cup Food Processor, Silver Die Cast - 104.99

Cuisinart FP-12DCN Elite Collection 2.0 12-Cup Food Processor, Silver Die Cast ($104.99) (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00WA4UI42/?tag=cl03f-20&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER)

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71uIVnvwDaL._AC_SY879_.jpg) (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00WA4UI42/?tag=cl03f-20&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER)
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Dan on March 24, 2020, 12:36:42 PM

Ships after Pesach.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: myi on March 25, 2020, 02:49:43 AM
For a ceramic sink what are you guys using ?
 Placing a Rubbermaid bucket and cut a hole for drain?
  Foil the inside?
 Plastic insert?

 Looking for a decent option to use now to cook and bake and then for the 7 days of Pesach which is when I'll really need it.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: flyingace on March 25, 2020, 08:58:30 AM
For a ceramic sink what are you guys using ?
 Placing a Rubbermaid bucket and cut a hole for drain?
  Foil the inside?
 Plastic insert?

 Looking for a decent option to use now to cook and bake and then for the 7 days of Pesach which is when I'll really need it.
Plastic insert that fits the sink dimensions.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: good sam on March 25, 2020, 09:21:21 AM
Plastic insert that fits the sink dimensions.
Can't find any that are nearly as big. Would it work to literally buy a sink and drop it in?

Like this for example
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00VJZTDA8/ref=cm_sw_r_apa_i_1Q1EEbH559VEM
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Luvisrael on March 25, 2020, 09:36:10 AM
You can always get this and connect a hose   ;D
https://www.amazon.com/Utility-Laundry-Basement-Standing-Drainage/dp/B07KGL28PW
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: flyingace on March 25, 2020, 09:49:35 AM
Can't find any that are nearly as big. Would it work to literally buy a sink and drop it in?

Like this for example
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00VJZTDA8/ref=cm_sw_r_apa_i_1Q1EEbH559VEM
Are you in a major frum community? My housewares store usually has several sizes. Where are you looking?


Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: good sam on March 25, 2020, 09:50:33 AM
Are you in a major frum community? My housewares store usually has several sizes. Where are you looking?
Are housewares stores even open? I'm in monsey
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: username on March 25, 2020, 11:39:55 AM
Try this. I have not used this, so i cant comment.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07PBR2YMZ/ref=sspa_dk_hqp_detail_aax_0?psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzSkY2N1REVEgyNkc0JmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNzU1Njk5MzRMUllBS0kzOTBTTSZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNzQ0MDU4MUZMTUxXMUI4Q1lUNiZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2hxcF9zaGFyZWQmYWN0aW9uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: good sam on March 25, 2020, 12:22:09 PM
Try this. I have not used this, so i cant comment.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07PBR2YMZ/ref=sspa_dk_hqp_detail_aax_0?psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzSkY2N1REVEgyNkc0JmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNzU1Njk5MzRMUllBS0kzOTBTTSZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNzQ0MDU4MUZMTUxXMUI4Q1lUNiZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2hxcF9zaGFyZWQmYWN0aW9uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl
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Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Yehudaa on March 26, 2020, 07:50:03 PM
Download links for 2020 Pesach guides:

CRC Pesach Guide (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001GXWQZokeTAYFBhUrB2hpDLMP3TI5mcAYd2FJVE2B5rpn_N7DTBpZ06PSNNw4_qooz2zXGebWy4CG7jQFkQoJW5Oq_H9qPz9bIdiTVjMmQfjEqp0v6X52vD-nyVz2PjyAfurDk2rB1RACuHZGFoGpC8DorvYcitn0EMjmOC8RGSZUHNJCEb6Paaa8v_d7UxU8&c=5p5yBNBj9A5MD7qRoiED7ND0AUAAlRpvtNuKMGD57q8KAHae2e3Uig==&ch=vUWcY2omuG8AzPtmF0xwR6gafrCP-wB4W0tOhstkMFpmqSGJB6oVhg==)

Star-K Pesach Guide and Medicine List (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001GXWQZokeTAYFBhUrB2hpDLMP3TI5mcAYd2FJVE2B5rpn_N7DTBpZ06PSNNw4_qooxeO3dh94slve0H-cVPvjnmYm9dZbnIfsYXEclFv0WfZtwHchAewU-i5kJ8Ge7c18cUiSpCDC0OWYr3waGveYyP07J5Jx05lBBnH3eL1_BWrEJyAmu9eN7eS-TYMlDeYZ&c=5p5yBNBj9A5MD7qRoiED7ND0AUAAlRpvtNuKMGD57q8KAHae2e3Uig==&ch=vUWcY2omuG8AzPtmF0xwR6gafrCP-wB4W0tOhstkMFpmqSGJB6oVhg==)

OU Pesach Guide (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001GXWQZokeTAYFBhUrB2hpDLMP3TI5mcAYd2FJVE2B5rpn_N7DTBpZ06PSNNw4_qoo3ZzeO-kmXbuOAHtZ5LahXqs3jTV16ED6SpMW4U_q7ShwGBTOjeL4LQtnZyNgwA3chmF23autQaepF3heJJqhHCxdM2OXW4IphG8ayiXcXGisZuStI3bZFNB5_Ky_hQGg2WEnEvDd-yg=&c=5p5yBNBj9A5MD7qRoiED7ND0AUAAlRpvtNuKMGD57q8KAHae2e3Uig==&ch=vUWcY2omuG8AzPtmF0xwR6gafrCP-wB4W0tOhstkMFpmqSGJB6oVhg==)

OK Pesach Products Guide (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001GXWQZokeTAYFBhUrB2hpDLMP3TI5mcAYd2FJVE2B5rpn_N7DTBpZ06PSNNw4_qooP3vrvEJYfxuv79Nu-prcdL-e9tNA8WLdvrC3d98iAFwjhl4DKUjg7KmZBL44vuuJ_j-GethDFRMhe6GOo1VYQ_DJBzKyeqT1Im7sHYd5hXWM3ATTrFA3ngku4yEbhGDamMnDaeDgB4s=&c=5p5yBNBj9A5MD7qRoiED7ND0AUAAlRpvtNuKMGD57q8KAHae2e3Uig==&ch=vUWcY2omuG8AzPtmF0xwR6gafrCP-wB4W0tOhstkMFpmqSGJB6oVhg==)

Kof-K Pesach Product List (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001GXWQZokeTAYFBhUrB2hpDLMP3TI5mcAYd2FJVE2B5rpn_N7DTBpZ06PSNNw4_qoofeI3U1m3VyN_0WSpXPEHgcc_d9VEg6NPC9YUE9NVtUI7lrE8Jmda0uc69K-soMmoTu2e15l6GXllGHqtdEleZg70hrP53UytKOtaFqlsfW_7H5Yp4au5rkP5h9J7blvsMuTWFXemnkY=&c=5p5yBNBj9A5MD7qRoiED7ND0AUAAlRpvtNuKMGD57q8KAHae2e3Uig==&ch=vUWcY2omuG8AzPtmF0xwR6gafrCP-wB4W0tOhstkMFpmqSGJB6oVhg==)

COR Pesach Guide (https://www.cor.ca/assets/static/node/202003/files/959/COR%20Passover%202020_final_web_spreads.pdf)

HT: Jewish Heritage Center of Queens and Long Island for most of these links

I put these in the wiki as well. ETA: added COR
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: AsherO on March 26, 2020, 11:09:52 PM
Download links for 2020 Pesach guides:

CRC Pesach Guide (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001GXWQZokeTAYFBhUrB2hpDLMP3TI5mcAYd2FJVE2B5rpn_N7DTBpZ06PSNNw4_qooz2zXGebWy4CG7jQFkQoJW5Oq_H9qPz9bIdiTVjMmQfjEqp0v6X52vD-nyVz2PjyAfurDk2rB1RACuHZGFoGpC8DorvYcitn0EMjmOC8RGSZUHNJCEb6Paaa8v_d7UxU8&c=5p5yBNBj9A5MD7qRoiED7ND0AUAAlRpvtNuKMGD57q8KAHae2e3Uig==&ch=vUWcY2omuG8AzPtmF0xwR6gafrCP-wB4W0tOhstkMFpmqSGJB6oVhg==)

Star-K Pesach Guide and Medicine List (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001GXWQZokeTAYFBhUrB2hpDLMP3TI5mcAYd2FJVE2B5rpn_N7DTBpZ06PSNNw4_qooxeO3dh94slve0H-cVPvjnmYm9dZbnIfsYXEclFv0WfZtwHchAewU-i5kJ8Ge7c18cUiSpCDC0OWYr3waGveYyP07J5Jx05lBBnH3eL1_BWrEJyAmu9eN7eS-TYMlDeYZ&c=5p5yBNBj9A5MD7qRoiED7ND0AUAAlRpvtNuKMGD57q8KAHae2e3Uig==&ch=vUWcY2omuG8AzPtmF0xwR6gafrCP-wB4W0tOhstkMFpmqSGJB6oVhg==)

OU Pesach Guide (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001GXWQZokeTAYFBhUrB2hpDLMP3TI5mcAYd2FJVE2B5rpn_N7DTBpZ06PSNNw4_qoo3ZzeO-kmXbuOAHtZ5LahXqs3jTV16ED6SpMW4U_q7ShwGBTOjeL4LQtnZyNgwA3chmF23autQaepF3heJJqhHCxdM2OXW4IphG8ayiXcXGisZuStI3bZFNB5_Ky_hQGg2WEnEvDd-yg=&c=5p5yBNBj9A5MD7qRoiED7ND0AUAAlRpvtNuKMGD57q8KAHae2e3Uig==&ch=vUWcY2omuG8AzPtmF0xwR6gafrCP-wB4W0tOhstkMFpmqSGJB6oVhg==)

OK Pesach Products Guide (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001GXWQZokeTAYFBhUrB2hpDLMP3TI5mcAYd2FJVE2B5rpn_N7DTBpZ06PSNNw4_qooP3vrvEJYfxuv79Nu-prcdL-e9tNA8WLdvrC3d98iAFwjhl4DKUjg7KmZBL44vuuJ_j-GethDFRMhe6GOo1VYQ_DJBzKyeqT1Im7sHYd5hXWM3ATTrFA3ngku4yEbhGDamMnDaeDgB4s=&c=5p5yBNBj9A5MD7qRoiED7ND0AUAAlRpvtNuKMGD57q8KAHae2e3Uig==&ch=vUWcY2omuG8AzPtmF0xwR6gafrCP-wB4W0tOhstkMFpmqSGJB6oVhg==)

Kof-K Pesach Product List (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001GXWQZokeTAYFBhUrB2hpDLMP3TI5mcAYd2FJVE2B5rpn_N7DTBpZ06PSNNw4_qoofeI3U1m3VyN_0WSpXPEHgcc_d9VEg6NPC9YUE9NVtUI7lrE8Jmda0uc69K-soMmoTu2e15l6GXllGHqtdEleZg70hrP53UytKOtaFqlsfW_7H5Yp4au5rkP5h9J7blvsMuTWFXemnkY=&c=5p5yBNBj9A5MD7qRoiED7ND0AUAAlRpvtNuKMGD57q8KAHae2e3Uig==&ch=vUWcY2omuG8AzPtmF0xwR6gafrCP-wB4W0tOhstkMFpmqSGJB6oVhg==)

COR Pesach Guide (https://www.cor.ca/assets/static/node/202003/files/959/COR%20Passover%202020_final_web_spreads.pdf)

HT: Jewish Heritage Center of Queens and Long Island for most of these links

I put these in the wiki as well. ETA: added COR

How much does the digest that only contains the 2020 COVID-19 leniencies cost?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Yehudaa on March 26, 2020, 11:33:04 PM
https://www.dansdeals.com/shopping-deals/amazon/making-pesach-home-first-time-list-items-can-buy-online-now-guides/
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Luvisrael on March 26, 2020, 11:53:36 PM
https://www.dansdeals.com/shopping-deals/amazon/making-pesach-home-first-time-list-items-can-buy-online-now-guides/
@jj1000 Thank you so much and all contributors for putting this list together. It definitely will make many people’s pesach shopping stress that much easier this turbulent year.

BTW, even though people may be opting for using plastic ware for this year, you can still get nicer looking ones than the typical clear/white type. Just search around Amazon, you’ll find some nice things Likavod YT.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: aygart on March 27, 2020, 12:18:16 AM
BMG initiative coming up in Lakewood.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: YitzyS on March 27, 2020, 12:22:13 AM
BMG initiative coming up in Lakewood.
Heard such rumors too. "Pesach in a box". Not sure what's included or how it works.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: aygart on March 27, 2020, 12:23:54 AM
Heard such rumors too. "Pesach in a box". Not sure what's included or how it works.
Don't know details but consider it confirmed. "Basic kitchen equipment" with instructions from Lakewood poskim.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: yesitsme on March 27, 2020, 02:47:36 AM
Heard such rumors too. "Pesach in a box". Not sure what's included or how it works.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Shloimke on March 27, 2020, 10:02:41 AM
https://bit.ly/3bqCsgS
Fleishigs Basic pesach survival kit, everything you need for your first pesach. Free downloadable E-book!
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: good sam on March 29, 2020, 12:12:43 AM
Any recommendations for a good haggada for preparing for kids seder?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: good sam on March 29, 2020, 01:15:01 AM
Any recommendations for a good haggada for preparing for kids seder?
Gonna try this one
https://www.shopeichlers.com/products/kmotzei-sholol-rov-haggada/32698
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: elikay on March 29, 2020, 01:23:45 AM
https://bit.ly/3bqCsgS
Fleishigs Basic pesach survival kit, everything you need for your first pesach. Free downloadable E-book!
Blocked by my filter.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: elikay on March 29, 2020, 01:31:21 AM
[/size]I tell my wife there is no concept in halacha of "cleaning" for Pesach, only searching for chametz. Cleaning is only necessary in places that might come in contact with food on Pesach, and to the extent cleaning is necessary to make searching possible.Agree?
You need to search for Chometz wherever there may be chometz in the house. According to Reb Shlomo Zalman Auerbach, once you cleaned you do not need bedika (probably because it is now considered בדוק). So technically you are right that only the kitchen and eating areas need cleaning. But if you don't clean your closets etc, you MUST do a bedika thoroughly especially if you have young children in th house.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: good sam on March 29, 2020, 01:32:53 AM
You need to search for Chometz wherever there may be chometz in the house. According to Reb Shlomo Zalman Auerbach, once you cleaned you do not need bedika (probably because it now receoves the statu of Ain Machnisim Bo Chametz ואין כאן מקומו להאריך). So technically you are right that only the kitchen and eating areas need cleaning. But if you don't clean your closets etc, you MUST do a bedika thoroughly especially if you have young children in th house.
Correct. I'm differentiating between bedika and cleaning.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Luvisrael on March 29, 2020, 01:34:28 AM
https://baltimorejewishlife.com/news/news-detail.php?SECTION_ID=1&ARTICLE_ID=129201
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Luvisrael on March 29, 2020, 01:35:23 AM
You need to search for Chometz wherever there may be chometz in the house. According to Reb Shlomo Zalman Auerbach, once you cleaned you do not need bedika (probably because it now receoves the statu of Ain Machnisim Bo Chametz ואין כאן מקומו להאריך). So technically you are right that only the kitchen and eating areas need cleaning. But if you don't clean your closets etc, you MUST do a bedika thoroughly especially if you have young children in th house.
do you have the source? The mechaber clearly writes that you have to be bodek , even if you have already cleaned. תלג:יא
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: elikay on March 29, 2020, 01:49:53 AM
Three things:
1-The kitchen takes longer than you think. Leave yourself plenty of time to kasher and cover AFTER the cleaning is all done.
2-Preparing for the seder also takes time.
3-Don't forget that everyone needs to eat on Erev Pesach. Some ideas: vegetable soup, potato knishes, fried hamburgers and yapchik.

For the record, you are allowed to eat kneidlach on erev pesach! and believe it or not, they are not Chametz! Although whose of us who are makpid on gebrokts (myself included) would need a pot to cook it in.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: elikay on March 29, 2020, 01:53:52 AM
do you have the source? The mechaber clearly writes that you have to be bodek , even if you have already cleaned. תלג:יא
שלמי מועד page שיא I will rephrase what I said, it seems like he is assuming/asserting that the cleaning is also including a bedika that the person makes sure that there is no Chametz there.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: elikay on March 29, 2020, 01:55:33 AM
Any recommendations for a good haggada for preparing for kids seder?
What ages?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Luvisrael on March 29, 2020, 01:57:05 AM
שלמי מועד page שיא I will rephrase what I said, it seems like he is assuming/asserting that the cleaning is also including a bedika that the person makes sure that there is no Chametz there.
mishna berura addresses this unless you mean cleaning on leil יד?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: elikay on March 29, 2020, 02:09:31 AM
mishna berura addresses this unless you mean cleaning on leil יד?
Nope. See below. Also, I heard that when he did Bedika he would ask his family if this drawer was cleaned, if the answer was yes then he would move on to the next drawer and ask and so on.
(https://i.ibb.co/44TZfSP/temp.jpg) (https://ibb.co/XFsZ45S)
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Luvisrael on March 29, 2020, 02:17:42 AM
Nope. Look it up. I will try to see if I can get a pic up. Also, I heard that when he did Bedika he would ask his family if this drawer was cleaned, if the answer was yes then he would move on to the next drawer and ask and so on.
interesting. The point of bedikS chometz is to confirm that everything was indeed cleaned well. Sort of like a conformation scan.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: good sam on March 29, 2020, 08:15:52 AM
What ages?
11 and under. Also trying to figure out how to keep both bigger and smaller ones engaged. 11 and 9 enjoy deeper content but that goes above the heads of the younger ones.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: lubaby on March 29, 2020, 08:55:17 AM
For the record, you are allowed to eat kneidlach on erev pesach! and believe it or not, they are not Chametz! Although whose of us who are makpid on gebrokts (myself included) would need a pot to cook it in.
From the Star-K website:
https://www.star-k.org/articles/articles/seasonal/357/the-busiest-day-of-the-year-the-laws-of-erev-pesach/
Quote
Products containing matzoh meal that are baked (e.g. matzoh meal cake) may not be eaten all day Erev Pesach. Kosher for Passover matzoh meal products that are cooked (e.g. knaidlach) may be eaten until the beginning of the 10th halachic hour of the day- three halachic hours before sunset.

One who does not eat gebrochts on Pesach may only eat knaidlach and other cooked matzoh meal products until the latest time for eating chometz. He may not eat baked matzoh meal products all day.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: zevi on March 29, 2020, 09:11:12 AM
Will everyone with a bechor - need to make a siyum erev pesach ? Will a siyum over Zoom work ?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: YitzyS on March 29, 2020, 09:44:37 AM
Pesach in a Box from BMG - contents - per Lakewood scoop.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: aygart on March 29, 2020, 10:47:33 AM
https://bit.ly/3bqCsgS
Fleishigs Basic pesach survival kit, everything you need for your first pesach. Free downloadable E-book!
http://s3.amazonaws.com/document.issuu.com/200325203323-a2d207f660d15a380171e060ce2f7e80/original.file?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIATDDRE5J727DXNARJ&Expires=1585496785&Signature=TOrlEgRxzjeDWcffz69NVE%2FRzow%3D
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Luvisrael on March 29, 2020, 11:06:19 AM
Will everyone with a bechor - need to make a siyum erev pesach ? Will a siyum over Zoom work ?
ALOR but IIRC my rav said yes. He also said that R Shlomo Zalman said that a bechor can join a siyum (with a minyan) over the phone.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: yitzgar on March 29, 2020, 11:15:34 AM
Most Rabbonim I've heard from said not to fast regardless
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Luvisrael on March 29, 2020, 12:40:09 PM
Most Rabbonim I've heard from said not to fast regardless
whys that?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: yitzgar on March 29, 2020, 12:40:48 PM
whys that?
So as to stay healthy
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: yitzgar on March 29, 2020, 12:41:03 PM
whys that?
So as to stay healthy
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Luvisrael on March 29, 2020, 12:42:53 PM
So as to stay healthy
Do you have a medical source? And which rabbanim said this?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: moko on March 29, 2020, 12:45:23 PM
whys that?
not exactly the same but...
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Luvisrael on March 29, 2020, 12:46:43 PM
not exactly the same but...
interestkng. I haven’t heard anyone else say this though.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: yitzgar on March 29, 2020, 12:57:53 PM
Do you have a medical source? And which rabbanim said this?
I think it was the vaad harabanim of Baltimore
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Luvisrael on March 29, 2020, 01:03:47 PM
I think it was the vaad harabanim of Baltimore
can you post?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: YitzyS on March 29, 2020, 01:51:50 PM
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: ltttc on March 29, 2020, 02:03:28 PM
Any ideas about how to toivel a new pot? Is it safe to do right now?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: tzifanya54 on March 29, 2020, 02:08:42 PM
Any ideas about how to toivel a new pot? Is it safe to do right now?
A lot of keieim Mikvaos are now chlorinated.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: ltttc on March 29, 2020, 02:10:06 PM
A lot of keieim Mikvaos are now chlorinated.
Thanks. I'll ask. And if it is, is it considered safe?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: momo on March 29, 2020, 02:11:50 PM
Thanks. I'll ask. And if it is, is it considered safe?
Ocean
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: ltttc on March 29, 2020, 02:14:51 PM
Ocean
With chlorine?  ;)
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: shwarmabob on March 29, 2020, 02:21:16 PM
Any ideas about how to toivel a new pot? Is it safe to do right now?
go to the ocean. if you can't, wait with the mikva until things are normal again
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Jeremiah on March 29, 2020, 03:19:24 PM
Is this a good deal for $200?

Package includes:

 

PREP AND COOKING:

· 2 Vctnox. Knives 3.25" - blue and red serrated

· Cutting Board & Knife Set

· Measuring Spoons & Cup Sets, Lg. Measuring Cup

· Large Bowl

· Peeler, Grater, Potato Masher, Egg Slicer, Wood Spoon, Spatula

· Pot Set: 2 Frying Pans, 7.8 Qt., 4 Qt. 2 Qt. (Non-Stick), 1 Qt. Egg-pot

· Blech (2 Burner)

· Immersion Blender with Grater, Whip, Chop

 

SERVING AND SEDER

· Can Opener, Wine opener

· Metal Serving Spoon & Fork, Soup Ladle

· Seder Kaarah, Matzah Cover, 2 Becher Glass 5 Oz

· Bedikas Chometz Set, Cookbook, 2 Haggados
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: YitzyS on March 29, 2020, 03:20:55 PM
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: MosheD on March 29, 2020, 03:21:40 PM
Is this a good deal for $200?

Package includes:

 

PREP AND COOKING:

· 2 Vctnox. Knives 3.25" - blue and red serrated

· Cutting Board & Knife Set

· Measuring Spoons & Cup Sets, Lg. Measuring Cup

· Large Bowl

· Peeler, Grater, Potato Masher, Egg Slicer, Wood Spoon, Spatula

· Pot Set: 2 Frying Pans, 7.8 Qt., 4 Qt. 2 Qt. (Non-Stick), 1 Qt. Egg-pot

· Blech (2 Burner)

· Immersion Blender with Grater, Whip, Chop

 

SERVING AND SEDER

· Can Opener, Wine opener

· Metal Serving Spoon & Fork, Soup Ladle

· Seder Kaarah, Matzah Cover, 2 Becher Glass 5 Oz

· Bedikas Chometz Set, Cookbook, 2 Haggados
It's subsidized.
Buy if you need
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: YitzyS on March 29, 2020, 03:24:09 PM
This is from Pesachbox.com:
Quote
Nothing in our boxes require Tevillas Keilim, (town Keilim Mikvah is closed).  The Poskim’s guidance covers Tevillas Keilim in general and our boxes in particular.
Trying to figure out what that means. Is everything exempt from Tevillah? Or are they relying on the same heteirim I would use if I bought something on Amazon?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 29, 2020, 03:30:18 PM
Amazon has things that don't need tevila - just bought a peeler..
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Yikes2179 on March 29, 2020, 04:27:18 PM
Amazon has things that don't need tevila - just bought a peeler..
Who was it sold by?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Luvisrael on March 29, 2020, 04:45:35 PM
Amazon has things that don't need tevila - just bought a peeler..
based on?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 29, 2020, 05:04:11 PM
Who was it sold by?
https://www.amazon.com/Pink-Vegetable-Peeler-Ergonomic-Plastic/dp/B06XVXJP91
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: aygart on March 29, 2020, 05:07:37 PM
https://www.amazon.com/Pink-Vegetable-Peeler-Ergonomic-Plastic/dp/B06XVXJP91
Amazon is giving an estimated delivery date of Sunday after Pesach.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Yikes2179 on March 29, 2020, 05:07:46 PM
https://www.amazon.com/Pink-Vegetable-Peeler-Ergonomic-Plastic/dp/B06XVXJP91
If it's not sold by a yid it still requires tevila
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: aygart on March 29, 2020, 05:08:18 PM
If it's not sold by a yid it still requires tevila
Which goy would be selling those?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Yikes2179 on March 29, 2020, 05:09:00 PM
True but is that enough to rely on
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: aygart on March 29, 2020, 05:12:30 PM
True but is that enough to rely on
It isn't difficult to confirm with the TPS.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: zevi on March 29, 2020, 05:17:23 PM
This is from Pesachbox.com:Trying to figure out what that means. Is everything exempt from Tevillah? Or are they relying on the same heteirim I would use if I bought something on Amazon?
“It will remain legally under the ownership of a אינו יהודי until after pesach”
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 29, 2020, 06:09:47 PM
Amazon is giving an estimated delivery date of Sunday after Pesach.
Got it last week
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Yehudaa on March 29, 2020, 06:10:06 PM
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Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 29, 2020, 06:10:13 PM
If it's not sold by a yid it still requires tevila
Of course it is...
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: aygart on March 29, 2020, 06:20:50 PM
Got it last week
Gotcha, but seemingly no longer an option.

Either way,
@aygart can keilim be toiveled in lake carasaljo? If not is there any better places around?
That is what I am currently advising people based upon guidance I recieved.

https://425737ce-f973-4dfc-9489-f94594893f71.filesusr.com/ugd/628775_27264a5995c941e586cedcbdd2982b90.pdf (https://425737ce-f973-4dfc-9489-f94594893f71.filesusr.com/ugd/628775_27264a5995c941e586cedcbdd2982b90.pdf)

These are the instructions from https://www.pesachbox.com/ (https://www.pesachbox.com/)
Quote
The Kailim Mikva is closed. Tevilas Kailim for dishes or appliances requiring tevilla may be done at Lake Carasaljo in an inlet that is not in the main flow of water (one such spot is area near Lakewood Avenue and 5th Street, as the Rosh Yeshiva Reb Aharon Zt”l allowed Tevilas Kailim along that area.) Extreme care should be taken to find a separate spot with full social distancing and to not be near anyone else.
(The guidance I received did not include anything about an inlet)
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Luvisrael on March 29, 2020, 11:31:26 PM
Amazon is giving an estimated delivery date of Sunday after Pesach.
I just made an emergency pesach order on Amazon. Pots, pans, urn the whole chibang. Everything is being delivered this Wednesday. Make sure to check off prime when searching.

If you need help with a specific item I’ll be more than glad to help.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Joel2 on March 29, 2020, 11:38:22 PM
I just made an emergency pesach order on Amazon. Pots, pans, urn the whole chibang. Everything is being delivered this Wednesday. Make sure to check off prime when searching.

If you need help with a specific item I’ll be more than glad to help.
Why Amazon when others can deliver quicker?
I sometimes think we are addicted to Amazon.
I personally found wayfair, wallmart & macys to be cheaper...
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: moko on March 29, 2020, 11:40:25 PM
Which goy would be selling those?
there's a non-jewish hardware store in Brookline MA across from The Butcherie that sells many items that say "אין צריך טבילה"
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Luvisrael on March 29, 2020, 11:57:08 PM
Why Amazon when others can deliver quicker?
I sometimes think we are addicted to Amazon.
I personally found wayfair, wallmart & macys to be cheaper...
usually I would do some shopping around on those sites however in this situation I’m not risking anything arriving too late, return issues if needed etc. In this situation, Amazon fits the bill. Sometimes there are pretty good deals actually.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: grodnoking on March 30, 2020, 12:05:49 AM
usually I would do some shopping around on those sites however in this situation I’m not risking anything arriving too late, return issues if needed etc. In this situation, Amazon fits the bill. Sometimes there are pretty good deals actually.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/29/tech/amazon-workers-walkout-coronavirus/index.html
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: good sam on March 30, 2020, 12:08:27 AM
Don't forget to buy a corkscrew
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Luvisrael on March 30, 2020, 12:29:25 AM
Don't forget to buy a corkscrew
ues. Maybe someone can post a detailed list of things to remember to buy, especially for us newbies? (I would never of dreamt In my wildest dreams that in my stage of life, I would be making pesach.Its absolutely insane! Hashem has his ways...
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Dave321 on March 30, 2020, 04:06:47 PM
Here is a shtar mechiras chometz that u can do on your phone
https://secure.rightsignature.com/templates/c1d96309-1f85-497e-baca-80b59a24df09/template-signer-link/f385e1700f88c7d1ef1bc5855130f0de
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Joel2 on March 31, 2020, 01:21:54 PM
Amazing!
Note pick up in Lakewood
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: moko on March 31, 2020, 01:25:14 PM
Amazing!
Note pick up in Lakewood
wow. A fraction of the Schick price.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: ltttc on March 31, 2020, 01:29:38 PM
ues. Maybe someone can post a detailed list of things to remember to buy, especially for us newbies? (I would never of dreamt In my wildest dreams that in my stage of life, I would be making pesach.Its absolutely insane! Hashem has his ways...
Bingo sells 2 pcs of zeroah for about 50 cents. (Don't forget the rest of the stuff for the ke'arah
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: elikay on March 31, 2020, 02:13:05 PM
From the Star-K website:
https://www.star-k.org/articles/articles/seasonal/357/the-busiest-day-of-the-year-the-laws-of-erev-pesach/
Indeed some treat gebrokt as Chometz mamash but I don't I don't burn gebrokts on Pesach nor do I kasher my pots after making knaidlach on the last day. I go thtis Psak from a Rav.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: elikay on March 31, 2020, 02:16:29 PM
ALOR but IIRC my rav said yes. He also said that R Shlomo Zalman said that a bechor can join a siyum (with a minyan) over the phone.
Not sure where you got the minyan part, but regardless it is definitely better to make your own Siyum (veven according to RSZ).
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: elikay on March 31, 2020, 02:17:18 PM
Amazing!
Note pick up in Lakewood
Cool though never heard of that Hechsher before (not OU :D )
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Ergel on March 31, 2020, 03:34:14 PM
Price makes no sense. $42 a meal?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Joel2 on March 31, 2020, 03:38:05 PM
Price makes no sense. $42 a meal?
for a family of 6!
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Yehudaa on March 31, 2020, 04:43:01 PM
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Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: moish on March 31, 2020, 04:49:15 PM
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49721924137_c249787d08_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iKKRL6)
 (https://flic.kr/p/2iKKRL6)
Link to view?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: mgarfin on March 31, 2020, 05:17:22 PM
Any recommendation for a good heavy duty food processor

we used in the past the braun
https://www.amazon.com/Braun-Processor-Powerful-Attachment-Engineering/dp/B00VF0RYK8

Anything better out there?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Joel2 on March 31, 2020, 05:33:12 PM
Any recommendation for a good heavy duty food processor

we used in the past the braun
https://www.amazon.com/Braun-Processor-Powerful-Attachment-Engineering/dp/B00VF0RYK8

Anything better out there?
Braun is very good IMO
Local Jewish stores sell it for less
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Yehudaa on March 31, 2020, 05:39:08 PM
Link to view?

My bad, I should've included it. https://www.kolhalashon.com/New/Live/LiveShiurimTree.aspx?ShowAudio=True&ShowVideo=True&RavID=0007
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Jeremiah on April 03, 2020, 12:02:16 AM
Pesachbox for sale. Cost price $199. Pickup in lakewood. PM
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Jeremiah on April 03, 2020, 11:13:40 AM
Pesachbox for sale. Cost price $199. Pickup in lakewood. PM
Sold
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: shmielyosef on April 03, 2020, 02:31:58 PM
Anyone else selling a box?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: zevi on April 04, 2020, 09:49:34 PM
PSA


https://mk.ca/mechiras-keilim-form/
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: YitzyS on April 04, 2020, 10:27:45 PM
PSA


https://mk.ca/mechiras-keilim-form/
Do you know if this is le'chatechila to use? Is there any guidance on this from local rabbonim? Should I just use plastic etc?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: zevi on April 04, 2020, 10:34:40 PM
Do you know if this is le'chatechila to use? Is there any guidance on this from local rabbonim? Should I just use plastic etc?
It’s under The Beth Din of Montreal see the related article here

https://collive.com/rabbis-find-clever-solution-to-avoid-toiveling-dishes/amp/
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Luvisrael on April 04, 2020, 10:36:03 PM
Do you know if this is le'chatechila to use? Is there any guidance on this from local rabbonim? Should I just use plastic etc?
Due to the situation this year, we are being somech on things that aren’t normally advised to do lechatchila. Understand that we are very much not in a lechatchila situation.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: YitzyS on April 05, 2020, 03:40:39 AM
It’s under The Beth Din of Montreal see the related article here

https://collive.com/rabbis-find-clever-solution-to-avoid-toiveling-dishes/amp/
Thank you, but I was specifically asking for
Do you know if this is le'chatechila to use? Is there any guidance on this from local rabbonim? Should I just use plastic etc?
Due to the situation this year, we are being somech on things that aren’t normally advised to do lechatchila. Understand that we are very much not in a lechatchila situation.
That was still my question, as I personally can
Do you know if this is le'chatechila to use? Is there any guidance on this from local rabbonim? Should I just use plastic etc?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: aygart on April 05, 2020, 10:12:02 AM
Thank you, but I was specifically asking for That was still my question, as I personally can
This option was not mentioned at all in the guidance issued by BMG poskim. They said to use the lake.

Also note that in the guidlines here https://bit.ly/2xL7amu From R' Kleinman and reviewed by R Shmuel Kamenetzky this option is described in this manner

Tevilas Keilim
1. It is not so safe to go to keilim mikva'os as the surfaces may be contaminated. In fact many
keilim mikvaos are closed. Therefore for tevilas keilim you should go to the bay, and tovel in
the ocean water. The bay can be easily accessed via Burnett St. off Ave. U. Opposite the
courtyard of the apartment building there is a path to the water (right behind the guardrail).
The area is open, quiet & safe.
2. B'sha'as hadchak, i.e. if you have no access to a natural body of water fit for tevila within a
72 minute drive from your home, you can sell a share in the k'li to a non-jew, thus
exempting the k'li from tevila.
3. B'sha'as hadchak gadol if you cannot do any of the aforementioned options, you can be
mafkir the keilim in front of three people and then use without tevila. This is only b'sha'as
hadchak gadol where one of the other options are absolutely unfeasible
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: yitzgar on April 05, 2020, 10:19:09 AM
This option was not mentioned at all in the guidance issued by BMG poskim. They said to use the lake.

Also note that in the guidlines here https://bit.ly/2xL7amu From R' Kleinman and reviewed by R Shmuel Kamenetzky this option is described in this manner

Tevilas Keilim
1. It is not so safe to go to keilim mikva'os as the surfaces may be contaminated. In fact many
keilim mikvaos are closed. Therefore for tevilas keilim you should go to the bay, and tovel in
the ocean water. The bay can be easily accessed via Burnett St. off Ave. U. Opposite the
courtyard of the apartment building there is a path to the water (right behind the guardrail).
The area is open, quiet & safe.
2. B'sha'as hadchak, i.e. if you have no access to a natural body of water fit for tevila within a
72 minute drive from your home, you can sell a share in the k'li to a non-jew, thus
exempting the k'li from tevila.
3. B'sha'as hadchak gadol if you cannot do any of the aforementioned options, you can be
mafkir the keilim in front of three people and then use without tevila. This is only b'sha'as
hadchak gadol where one of the other options are absolutely unfeasible
I would just point out, that if someone actually has the virus and can't leave their house, that may be considered shaas hadchak gadol.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: aygart on April 05, 2020, 10:21:01 AM
I would just point out, that if someone actually has the virus and can't leave their house, that may be considered shaas hadchak gadol.
That sounds like it could be. In such a case there can sometimes be the option of someone else doing it for you.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Ergel on April 05, 2020, 10:25:08 AM
Amazing!
Note pick up in Lakewood
Did anyone order this? Curious to see what comes
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: mlight on April 05, 2020, 11:22:19 AM
Anyone know where I can pick up/order aerators for kitchen sinks in lakewood?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Joel2 on April 05, 2020, 11:22:57 AM
Did anyone order this? Curious to see what comes
I heard 230 family's ordered it. Not accepting anymore new orders.
Pretty decent food from a thru z everything for pesach.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: YitzyS on April 05, 2020, 11:50:52 AM
Anyone know where I can pick up/order aerators for kitchen sinks in lakewood?
I just ordered from Lowe's with free in-store pickup. Didn't get "ready for pickup" yet, so can't comment on pickup experience.

BTW they also have bricks for .69. Add a little heavy wire and you can have a kashering brick for a fraction of the cost of the pre-made sets.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: aygart on April 05, 2020, 11:57:50 AM
I just ordered from Lowe's with free in-store pickup. Didn't get "ready for pickup" yet, so can't comment on pickup experience.

BTW they also have bricks for .69. Add a little heavy wire and you can have a kashering brick for a fraction of the cost of the pre-made sets.

Pull apart a hangar
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Toasted on April 05, 2020, 01:21:07 PM
Is putting the grill to 800 degrees and have a slice of bread get burned in there considered sereifas chometz?
@aygart
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Joel2 on April 05, 2020, 01:28:32 PM
Is putting the grill to 800 degrees and have a slice of bread get burned in there considered sereifas chometz? Please post  :)marei makom if you have.
@aygart
Username checks out
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Toasted on April 05, 2020, 01:29:24 PM
Username checks out
LOL
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Luvisrael on April 05, 2020, 02:24:04 PM
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Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: YitzyS on April 05, 2020, 06:46:51 PM
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I wonder who is so bored the week of Pesach?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: mgarfin on April 05, 2020, 07:26:02 PM
I wonder who is so bored the week of Pesach?
A young couple
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Dan on April 05, 2020, 07:43:42 PM
Is putting the grill to 800 degrees and have a slice of bread get burned in there considered sereifas chometz?
@aygart
Sure.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Dan on April 05, 2020, 07:44:07 PM
Do you know if this is le'chatechila to use? Is there any guidance on this from local rabbonim? Should I just use plastic etc?
In CLE that's what the Vaad said to do.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: aygart on April 05, 2020, 08:17:05 PM
Is putting the grill to 800 degrees and have a slice of bread get burned in there considered sereifas chometz?
@aygart
Can't see why that wouldn't be called burning.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: stooges44 on April 05, 2020, 08:27:26 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/N18SfMR/19-BD8-C48-078-A-41-A7-894-C-52-E7-BAE67568.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cbGLRjq)

(https://i.gyazo.com/beaff01cfc59d154a93b7a44ffb333c6.png)
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: RewardsAddict on April 05, 2020, 09:24:45 PM
A young couple
Not one who is making pesach for the first time.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: skyguy918 on April 05, 2020, 09:57:43 PM
Can't see why that wouldn't be called burning.
I've done this before, though I took off the grates so I could get it really over the flame properly. Was quicker that way too.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: S209 on April 05, 2020, 10:04:38 PM
Started a list of things not to forget in the wiki, but I honestly don’t know them. Wrote the 2 I noticed in this thread. Please add more as you think of them.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Mordyk on April 06, 2020, 02:11:39 AM
I will appreciate my parents a lot more after this yom tov.  There are so many different moving parts that need to be remembered...

Its definitely a great experience!
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: churnbabychurn on April 06, 2020, 06:25:26 AM
In Lakewood for some reason the poskim said one must flush in toilet and not make any fires.

The fire department expressively permitted using a BBQ grill. I hope the poskim were not misinformed..

Either way, im thinking of using a toaster. Just burn the toast to a crisp. Is this sreifa?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: yitzgar on April 06, 2020, 08:08:25 AM
May one use an appliance (BBQ grill or toaster, etc) that was sold to a got to burn chometz?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: yakov116 on April 06, 2020, 08:30:22 AM
May one use an appliance (BBQ grill or toaster, etc) that was sold to a got to burn chometz?
On pesach or before?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: yitzgar on April 06, 2020, 08:43:22 AM
On pesach or before?
On erev pesach after mechiras chometz
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Dan on April 06, 2020, 10:15:06 AM
In Lakewood for some reason the poskim said one must flush in toilet and not make any fires.

The fire department expressively permitted using a BBQ grill. I hope the poskim were not misinformed..

Either way, im thinking of using a toaster. Just burn the toast to a crisp. Is this sreifa?
In CLE we've been told to use a grill.
Toilet or toaster are b'dieved.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: joe1234 on April 06, 2020, 10:46:22 AM
Can I put on the fire of the grill directly or just on top of the grates?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: churnbabychurn on April 06, 2020, 10:53:44 AM
In CLE we've been told to use a grill.
Toilet or toaster are b'dieved.
Toilet and toaster are not equal though. Right?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Dan on April 06, 2020, 11:00:43 AM
Toilet and toaster are not equal though. Right?
Why not ask your LOR about a covered grill?
They're probably trying to avoid open fires.

Otherwise, toast and flush.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: good sam on April 06, 2020, 11:09:23 AM
Is this safe? Do I have to make a hole for exhaust somewhere?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: skyguy918 on April 06, 2020, 11:10:48 AM
Is this safe? Do I have to make a hole for exhaust somewhere?
Yes, there's a vent, usually under the clock/controls area. Make a hole for that. Also, test the burners first while you have everything accessible.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: aygart on April 06, 2020, 11:14:04 AM
Is this safe? Do I have to make a hole for exhaust somewhere?

This is not safe. You need to make slits in the foil under the control panel
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: good sam on April 06, 2020, 11:21:41 AM
Yes, there's a vent, usually under the clock/controls area. Make a hole for that. Also, test the burners first while you have everything accessible.
This is not safe. You need to make slits in the foil under the control panel
Good?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: aygart on April 06, 2020, 11:32:20 AM
Good?
Much better.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: good sam on April 06, 2020, 02:22:11 PM
Empty your vacuum cleaner before the zman.

Otherwise it's like trying to free up space on your phone and everything is getting saved to your trash folder.

(I am not saying this is halachically required)
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Toasted on April 06, 2020, 04:51:10 PM
Interesting teshuva from Minchas Yitzchok (from 1935) attached on what fuels are ok for the mitzvah of sereifas chometz according to Reb Yehudah. Some hold that only wood is allowed but he disagrees and says that any fire is fine.
Rabbis @aygart and @Dan hit it on the nail.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: skyguy918 on April 06, 2020, 05:04:18 PM
Interesting teshuva from Minchas Yitzchok (from 1935) attached on what fuels are ok for the mitzvah of sereifas chometz according to Reb Yehudah. Some hold that only wood is allowed but he disagrees and says that any fire is fine.
Rabbis @aygart and @Dan hit it on the nail.
You can do both - pre light some wood inside your grill and then burn your chometz on that.
ETA: Obviously if you don't have wood, don't let that stop you from burning or otherwise disposing in the manner your LOR tells you to.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Joel2 on April 06, 2020, 08:41:28 PM
Wiki Updated
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: YitzyS on April 06, 2020, 08:46:50 PM
Wiki Updated
Thanks! This is a great list - not the typical 634 page guides, just the stuff that are easy to forget.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: yitzf on April 08, 2020, 01:08:16 AM
Seder shiurim card (page 25) (https://view.flipdocs.com/?ID=10006519_644375)
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Shmobaum on April 08, 2020, 02:09:24 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/beaff01cfc59d154a93b7a44ffb333c6.png)
Forgot to clap:(((
Is there tashlumin???
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Onefishtwofishredfishblue on April 08, 2020, 09:02:43 AM
Which make-up is ok to use?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: shwarmabob on April 08, 2020, 10:33:45 AM
Which make-up is ok to use?
you can use any
(disclaimer: some disagree)
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Yehudaa on April 08, 2020, 10:42:05 AM
Which make-up is ok to use?

Consult a kashrus organization's pesach guide for guidance and a list. Some of the guides in the wiki may have lists.

KAJ also has a pretty thorough list, though I can't attach it as it's a PDF. PM me your email address if you want it.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: etech0 on April 08, 2020, 11:39:20 AM
Which make-up is ok to use?
R' Blumenkrantz's book has a list of ingredients that are okay/not so you can check each thing even if you don't find it on a list.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: ltttc on April 08, 2020, 03:57:24 PM
a/o know if hand sanitizers are ok to use on Pesach? (Purell and off brand ones)
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: yitzgar on April 08, 2020, 04:29:03 PM
a/o know if hand sanitizers are ok to use on Pesach? (Purell and off brand ones)
According to star k it's ok this year
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Dan on April 08, 2020, 04:44:34 PM
a/o know if hand sanitizers are ok to use on Pesach? (Purell and off brand ones)
https://askcrc.org/item/Passover/1709
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: ari3 on April 12, 2020, 12:17:57 AM
All those out there that made pesach for the first time unexpectedly, how was it? Hope it worked out.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Mordyk on April 12, 2020, 12:49:20 AM
All those out there that made pesach for the first time unexpectedly, how was it? Hope it worked out.
Waaay nicer than expected bh!
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: JACKBLUE on April 12, 2020, 12:53:02 AM
Waaay nicer than expected bh!
same here BH!
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Joel2 on April 12, 2020, 12:55:08 AM
Waaay nicer than expected bh!
+1
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: aygart on April 12, 2020, 12:59:42 AM
I have a feeling that many will not go back to going away.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: S209 on April 12, 2020, 01:06:31 AM
All those out there that made pesach for the first time unexpectedly, how was it? Hope it worked out.
Fantastic, I am rethinking the “need” to always go away for Yom Tov.. there are maalos and chisronos both ways.
I have a feeling that many will not go back to going away.
For sure
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: aygart on April 12, 2020, 01:07:38 AM
Fantastic, I am rethinking the “need” to always go away for Yom Tov.. there are maalos and chisronos both ways.For sure
There is nothing like making your own Seder.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Joel2 on April 12, 2020, 01:10:31 AM
There is nothing like making your own Seder.
Told DW its rehearsal for in 15 years when we will do one for real
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Crazy tools on April 12, 2020, 01:20:44 AM
Waaay nicer than expected bh!
Same here as well as for many others I've spoken too.
Parents and siblings already getting nervous that we will always want to stay home.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: S209 on April 12, 2020, 01:20:54 AM
Told DW its rehearsal for in 15 years when we will do one for real
I don’t know about you, but I did one for real. And my kids are still very young right now. I imagine it only gets better.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Mordyk on April 12, 2020, 02:06:37 AM
I have a feeling that many will not go back to going away.
First thing my parents wanted to hear if it was nice but not too nice ;D

I still think pesach with a few generations by the seder is something special.  But was still beautiful with only my young kids
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Shmobaum on April 12, 2020, 02:09:31 AM
I’m so happy for y’all!!
Was really concerned that you guys won’t “farchlepchka” yourselves...
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Dan on April 12, 2020, 02:13:20 AM
I still think pesach with a few generations by the seder is something special.  But was still beautiful with only my young kids
+1
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: aygart on April 12, 2020, 02:17:44 AM
First thing my parents wanted to hear if it was nice but not too nice ;D

I still think pesach with a few generations by the seder is something special.  But was still beautiful with only my young kids
Invite them to come to you next year.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Mordyk on April 12, 2020, 02:30:18 AM
Invite them to come to you next year.
Up until two years ago we had 5 generations by the same seder!
One generation is unfortunately gone. But its difficult to bring all the others to me.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: JACKBLUE on April 12, 2020, 02:34:26 AM
Up until two years ago we had 5 generations by the same seder!
Wow!
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: good sam on April 12, 2020, 11:31:11 PM
Anything to do with all that charoses?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: yitzgar on April 12, 2020, 11:38:08 PM
Anything to do with all that charoses?
Eat it?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Joel2 on April 12, 2020, 11:40:29 PM
Anything to do with all that charoses?
Throw it into the cholent will give it some extra flavor 😋
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: good sam on April 12, 2020, 11:55:09 PM
Throw it into the cholent will give it some extra flavor
Sounds gross but maybe some kind of kugel or pastry
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Joel2 on April 13, 2020, 12:00:11 AM
Sounds gross but maybe some kind of kugel or pastry
Don't sew a suit because you have a button
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: herb on April 13, 2020, 12:09:10 AM
Anything to do with all that charoses?
send it back to telz
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Mordyk on April 13, 2020, 12:29:22 AM
Anything to do with all that charoses?
Charoses kugel.  Donno how its made,  i just know its made ;)

Update:
Per two pound container,
2 eggs
Half cup potato starch
Half cup almond flour

Bake 1.5 hours on 350
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: aygart on April 13, 2020, 12:42:30 AM
Charoses kugel.  Donno how its made,  i just know its made ;)

Update:
Per two pound container,
2 eggs
Half cup potato starch

Bake 1.5 hours on 350
Half cup almond flour
Why in the world would someone have a 2lb container of it?
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: good sam on April 13, 2020, 12:46:44 AM
Don't sew a suit because you have a button
Like
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Joel2 on April 13, 2020, 12:51:56 AM
Charoses kugel.  Donno how its made,  i just know its made ;)

Update:
Per two pound container,
2 eggs
Half cup potato starch

Bake 1.5 hours on 350
Half cup almond flour
Paging @TimT for the recipe/cooking thread
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Mordyk on April 13, 2020, 01:38:25 AM
Why in the world would someone have a 2lb container of it?
Well we love eating it.  My mother made 2 lbs for everyone.  We don't use that much by the seder but she know we like to eat afterwards.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: etech0 on April 13, 2020, 01:54:50 AM
Make a sandwich with matza and lettuce
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: 12HRS on April 13, 2020, 10:50:54 AM
Why in the world would someone have a 2lb container of it?

we eat it as a spread at all the other meals
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: Vesko on April 13, 2020, 10:54:36 AM
Why in the world would someone have a 2lb container of it?
The R Shayale's Kitchen subsidized catering package gave everyone 2 lb of charoses, according to menu.


Some people laid more bricks than others.
Title: Re: Making Pesach For The First Time
Post by: AsherO on April 13, 2020, 10:55:51 AM
The R Shayale's Kitchen subsidized catering package gave everyone 2 lb of charoses, according to menu.


Some people laid more bricks than others.

Our Charoses this year was so good, the alcohol kick only made it better :P