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Title: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: zale on March 14, 2019, 11:14:46 PM
News is just breaking. Man in New Zealand shot up a mosque and livestreamed it. He is a white supremacist that published a long manifesto online.

White supremacists on 8chan are cheering him on and telling him to shoot up synagogues. (C”V)

Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: AJK on March 14, 2019, 11:26:37 PM
There are no words...
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: zale on March 14, 2019, 11:30:55 PM
Reports of shooting at another mosque now. Shooter still at large.
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: as2 on March 14, 2019, 11:35:05 PM
Saw the gopro footage. The most concerning part is how calm this guy is. Like it's all in a day's work. Terrible.
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: justaregularguy on March 15, 2019, 12:04:10 AM
wow this is partly the result of watching too many violent movies making you numb to people dying that you could do it yourself and it feels like your in a movie..
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: joey89 on March 15, 2019, 12:28:22 AM
wow this is partly the result of watching too many violent movies making you numb to people dying that you could do it yourself and it feels like your in a movie..

Besides being an amazing talking point has this ever been proven?

ETA: there have been depraved mass murderers since the earliest of civilization and they did not have video games to blame. As mentioned below it has more to do with hate and/or cultural and societal differences which can lead to despicable acts such as this.
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: zale on March 15, 2019, 12:30:22 AM
wow this is partly the result of watching too many violent movies making you numb to people dying that you could do it yourself and it feels like your in a movie..

In this case it has nothing to do with that.

This is a case of fanatic ideology mixed with a small dose of mental illness. This is like ISIS, but from the other end of the spectrum.

There is no need to speculate. This guy wrote a long manifesto explaining his motives. This is stuff that he learnt from online white-supremacist groups, same as the guy who shot up the shul in Pittsburg. They believe that the “white race” is being systematically wiped out and taken over by letting Muslims through their borders and that it’s all being orchestrated by Jews. There are toxic breeding grounds online for this kind of garbage.
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: ludmila on March 15, 2019, 12:34:51 AM
In this case it has nothing to do with that.

This is a case of fanatic ideology mixed with a small dose of mental illness. This is like ISIS, but from the other end of the spectrum.

There is no need to speculate. This guy wrote a long manifesto explaining his motives. This is stuff that he learnt from online white-supremacist groups, same as the guy who shot up the shul in Pittsburg. They believe that the “white race” is being systematically wiped out and taken over by letting Muslims through their borders and that it’s all being orchestrated by Jews. There are toxic breeding grounds online for this kind of garbage.
+1 And last year a similar incident in a mosque in Quebec city, they hate Muslims and blame Jews.
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: Boruch999 on March 15, 2019, 03:51:36 AM
 :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: YesThatsMe on March 15, 2019, 08:31:11 AM
Terrible. Let the Omar’s, Haniyehs, Nassrallahs, Bin Ladens, Assads, and Abu Mazens of the world learn that it doesn’t feel good getting shot up... Let’s remember Merkas HaRav and Rubins and Bus #2 and every rocket and balloon on this sad day.
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: 12HRS on March 15, 2019, 09:15:05 AM
Terrible. Let the Omar’s, Haniyehs, Nassrallahs, Bin Ladens, Assads, and Abu Mazens of the world learn that it doesn’t feel good getting shot up... Let’s remember Merkas HaRav and Rubins and Bus #2 and every rocket and balloon on this sad day.

?מעשה ידי טובעין בים ואתם אומרים שירה לפני
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: as2 on March 15, 2019, 09:25:13 AM
Terrible. Let the Omar’s, Haniyehs, Nassrallahs, Bin Ladens, Assads, and Abu Mazens of the world learn that it doesn’t feel good getting shot up... Let’s remember Merkas HaRav and Rubins and Bus #2 and every rocket and balloon on this sad day.
Wouldn't push it there. My only thought is, maybe some of these countries in Europe will realize that allowing all of the radicals into their country, who have been carrying out attack, may bring out the crazies on the other side of the fence as well. Then again, there can be no correlation.
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: Savingsbeast on March 15, 2019, 09:59:55 AM
Wouldn't push it there. My only thought is, maybe some of these countries in Europe will realize that allowing all of the radicals into their country, who have been carrying out attack, may bring out the crazies on the other side of the fence as well. Then again, there can be no correlation.
Are you saying peaceful Muslims shouldn't be allowed in a country as to not 'offend' racist white people?
I hope I have it wrong.
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: as2 on March 15, 2019, 10:06:13 AM
Are you saying peaceful Muslims shouldn't be allowed in a country as to not 'offend' racist white people?
I hope I have it wrong.
Not even close. I'm saying that some countries that have let in insane amounts of Muslim immigrants are rampant with terror attacks. Some areas are being dominated by radical, anti-Semitic people. My point was that maybe this will wake those countries up, and show them that allowing the radicals in, brings out the radicals within. Not in any way justifying what was done here, or anywhere for that matter, I just, at the very least, hope something can be learned/gained from it.
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: zale on March 15, 2019, 11:39:43 AM
Not even close. I'm saying that some countries that have let in insane amounts of Muslim immigrants are rampant with terror attacks. Some areas are being dominated by radical, anti-Semitic people. My point was that maybe this will wake those countries up, and show them that allowing the radicals in, brings out the radicals within. Not in any way justifying what was done here, or anywhere for that matter, I just, at the very least, hope something can be learned/gained from it.

While I get your point, in this case their enemy happens to also be our enemy. The guy who shot up the shul in Pittsburg did it for the SAME reason this guy shot up the mosque. White supremacists believe that the Jews are "opening the floodgates" of Western countries and purposely pouring in millions of Muslims to outnumber and exterminate the White race.

I'm not suggesting that you read what they write, but it's always good to know your enemy. I was reading 8chan last night based on a thread I saw on Reddit, before the mainstream media even broke the story about this shooting, and there were hoards of Neo Nazis celebrating this guy as a hero and cheering him on. He actually posted on 8chan about what he was going to do and told his Nazi buddies to follow his livestream on Facebook. After he shot up the first mosque, he got away in his car and the livestream cut off. They were begging him to shoot up a synagogue. I have screenshots of this.

They were ultimately pissed that he didn't attack any Jews, and that in his manifesto he wrote that as long as the Jews "stay in Israel" and don't migrate he won't attack them.
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: DealKiller on March 15, 2019, 11:51:41 AM
Let the Omar’s, Haniyehs, Nassrallahs, Bin Ladens, Assads, and Abu Mazens of the world learn that it doesn’t feel good getting shot up...
What kind of sicko statement is this? Innocent people where murdered in a place of worship.
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: Dan on March 15, 2019, 11:55:21 AM
This is truly awful. RIP.
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: DealKiller on March 15, 2019, 12:16:47 PM
Not even close. I'm saying that some countries that have let in insane amounts of Muslim immigrants are rampant with terror attacks. Some areas are being dominated by radical, anti-Semitic people. My point was that maybe this will wake those countries up, and show them that allowing the radicals in, brings out the radicals within. Not in any way justifying what was done here, or anywhere for that matter, I just, at the very least, hope something can be learned/gained from it.
What should we learn from this? That letting in immigrants brings out the deranged individuals?
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 15, 2019, 12:18:21 PM
Why is the title Livestream? Is that the story?
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: Dan on March 15, 2019, 12:19:48 PM
What is she trying to say?

Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: DealKiller on March 15, 2019, 12:19:59 PM
Why is the title Livestream? Is that the story?
Sensationalism!
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: stooges44 on March 15, 2019, 12:26:18 PM
What is she trying to say?


she lost me at 1st but I think it's harder to type "1st" then "first", but what do I know  ???
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: DealKiller on March 15, 2019, 12:30:29 PM
What is she trying to say?
You asked so don't shoot the messenger.

Mr President, keep your worthless thoughts and prayers to yourself when you refuse to take basic steps to protect our own.

Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: Dan on March 15, 2019, 12:32:41 PM
You asked so don't shoot the messenger.

Mr President, keep your worthless thoughts and prayers to yourself when you refuse to take basic steps to protect our own.


So she's making fun of prayer when talking about people who believe in the power of prayer?
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: AJK on March 15, 2019, 12:33:00 PM
Lol at your trying to divine AOC's meaning on this... Or anything.
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: DealKiller on March 15, 2019, 12:40:49 PM
So she's making fun of prayer when talking about people who believe in the power of prayer?
She is not making fun of prayer. She is saying the same thing many relatives of victims have been saying. We don't want your meaningless thoughts and prayers. WE WANT ACTION!!

"Meaningless" as in you are just saying what you believe you should say and don't mean it.
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: Yonah on March 15, 2019, 12:44:46 PM
So before I jump in with my $0.02 - let me start by saying that this is horrible on many levels. At it's most basic, people praying were killed like lambs to the slaughter in their own house of worship. The fact that the killer was so stone-faced, announced his attack and live-streamed it - bothers me way too much. I don't know if playing to many video games densensitized this guy from the murder, but the web/message boards/social media, prompted him to turn it into a show.

Speaking of turning into a show - I give you Ms. AOC,a couple of points about her statement:
- She listed 3 attacks in the US, all perpetrated by White Supremecists
- By invoking the "thoughts and prayers comment", she's tying it to gun control - even though this didn't happen in the US.
- Interestingly enough, New zealand has about 1.2m guns in a country of 7m people, and yet their murder rate is 7 per million (US is about 50 per million across the board, higher in some areas than others).


Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: Savingsbeast on March 15, 2019, 12:44:47 PM
I think that it was pretty obvious what she meant. Instead of taking action, some people, especially those in power, offer meaningless statements of sympathy.
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: AJK on March 15, 2019, 12:47:06 PM
So you're suggesting what exactly? The NZ PM say nothing and "do more"? What more exactly do you want her to have done?
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: zale on March 15, 2019, 12:47:21 PM
She is not making fun of prayer. She is saying the same thing many relatives of victims have been saying. We don't want your meaningless thoughts and prayers. WE WANT ACTION!!

"Meaningless" as in you are just saying what you believe you should say and don't mean it.

"Meaningless thoughts and prayers"? Well, I suppose if you are an atheist then it's meaningless.

"We want action!". What action would that be?
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: zale on March 15, 2019, 12:52:51 PM
So you're suggesting what exactly? The NZ PM say nothing and "do more"? What more exactly do you want her to have done?

What they really want?

They want guns banned across the board. They want free speech criminalized. It's simple: AOC and her cohorts will set the rules of what is considered "hate speech" and will prosecute accordingly. All hate coming from the Left will be given a pass and all hate coming from the right will be criminalized.
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: DealKiller on March 15, 2019, 12:53:30 PM
"Meaningless thoughts and prayers"? Well, I suppose if you are an atheist then it's meaningless.

"We want action!". What action would that be?
Please read what I wrote. If you believe they are not sincere then yes they are meaningless. She/I did not say prayers are meaningless.

I am going to take a wild guess and the action the relatives of the victims are talking about is gun control.

Again don't shoot the messenger. 
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: shapsam on March 15, 2019, 12:54:37 PM
Please read what I wrote. If you believe they are not sincere then yes they are meaningless. She/I did not say prayers are meaningless.

I am going to take a wild guess and the action the relatives of the victims are talking about is gun control.

Again don't shoot the messenger.
Chaim, why would you think they're not sincere?

There is gun control in NZ.
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: DealKiller on March 15, 2019, 12:56:04 PM
I think that it was pretty obvious what she meant. Instead of taking action, some people, especially those in power, offer meaningless statements of sympathy.
Of course it was obvious what she meant. Some just choose not to acknowledge it because she says so many stupid things.
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: DealKiller on March 15, 2019, 12:57:07 PM
Why would you think they're not sincere?
I am going on the premise she is talking about Trump's comments.
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: shapsam on March 15, 2019, 12:58:56 PM
I am going on the premise she is talking about Trump's comments.
She's responding to a statement from the NZ prime minister, I don't see where this has anything to do with Trump
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: AJK on March 15, 2019, 12:58:59 PM
What they really want?

They want guns banned across the board. They want free speech criminalized. It's simple: AOC and her cohorts will set the rules of what is considered "hate speech" and will prosecute accordingly. All hate coming from the Left will be given a pass and all hate coming from the right will be criminalized.

OK, so all the whining against the PM's (in all likelihood sincere) sympathy should be discarded as "meaningless and ineffective" and instead we (read: AOC and her cohorts) should blast her for not using her DeLorean, going back in the past, and outlawing (all? semi-automatic? automatic?) firearms?

What will they think of next? Par for the course with that one.
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: DealKiller on March 15, 2019, 01:03:20 PM
She's responding to a statement from the NZ prime minister, I don't see where this has anything to do with Trump
Her comments are about the US.
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: as2 on March 15, 2019, 01:05:11 PM
While I get your point, in this case their enemy happens to also be our enemy. The guy who shot up the shul in Pittsburg did it for the SAME reason this guy shot up the mosque. White supremacists believe that the Jews are "opening the floodgates" of Western countries and purposely pouring in millions of Muslims to outnumber and exterminate the White race.

I'm not suggesting that you read what they write, but it's always good to know your enemy. I was reading 8chan last night based on a thread I saw on Reddit, before the mainstream media even broke the story about this shooting, and there were hoards of Neo Nazis celebrating this guy as a hero and cheering him on. He actually posted on 8chan about what he was going to do and told his Nazi buddies to follow his livestream on Facebook. After he shot up the first mosque, he got away in his car and the livestream cut off. They were begging him to shoot up a synagogue. I have screenshots of this.

They were ultimately pissed that he didn't attack any Jews, and that in his manifesto he wrote that as long as the Jews "stay in Israel" and don't migrate he won't attack them.
I am familiar, but the difference between us and them, is that there aren't any sect of jews carrying out terror attacks randomly the way radical Muslims do. So along comes someone who can't comprehend they're not all radical, and kills the innocent for the deeds of the radical. While completely wrong, it can at least be "masked" with avenging those lost to terror(a well person would understand this isn't so). Killing jews seems to jest be pure hatred. Regardless, I've said more than I'd like to on the topic, so I'll let it rest, as should the souls of all those killed.
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: as2 on March 15, 2019, 01:06:43 PM
What should we learn from this? That letting in immigrants brings out the deranged individuals?
I don't know, but if something like this happens, we can't undo it. I always pray that at the very least something good can come from it. What that is? I don't know.
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: DealKiller on March 15, 2019, 01:11:31 PM
I don't know, but if something like this happens, we can't undo it. I always pray that at the very least something good can come from it. What that is? I don't know.
Unfortunately history has shown us noting good has come from these attacks. That is why "thoughts and prayers" are not the answer.
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: zale on March 15, 2019, 01:12:09 PM
I am familiar, but the difference between us and them, is that there aren't any sect of jews carrying out terror attacks randomly the way radical Muslims do. So along comes someone who can't comprehend they're not all radical, and kills the innocent for the deeds of the radical. While completely wrong, it can at least be "masked" with avenging those lost to terror(a well person would understand this isn't so). Killing jews seems to jest be pure hatred. Regardless, I've said more than I'd like to on the topic, so I'll let it rest, as should the souls of all those killed.

They don't either understand that not all Jews are George Soros. They don't understand that not all Jews push an intersectional, interracial agenda or force people to accept that males and females are interchangeable. They don't understand that not all Jews are Karl Marx or Leon Trotsky. In fact, those so called "Jews" are not religious at all and don't care about Judaism in the least. Yet the meme propaganda that White Supremacist Nazis post are always of Jews with a beard, yarmulke and payos -- the Jews that are actually Right wing and Conservative.

These people hate Jews far more than they hate Muslims. They are angry and writing how this was all in vain because "he didn't mention the Jew" in his manifesto and that he didn't kill even one Jew.
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: shapsam on March 15, 2019, 01:13:51 PM
I am going on the premise she is talking about Trump's comments.
Her comments are about the US.
Just saw this:
So nothing directly to do with Trump, although I don't understand what her problem is with the NRA when NZ already has very strict gun laws.
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: as2 on March 15, 2019, 01:15:00 PM
Unfortunately history has shown us noting good has come from these attacks. That is why "thoughts and prayers" are not the answer.
All I can do is pray.
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 15, 2019, 01:15:16 PM
What is she trying to say?

She clarified in a later tweet that she is politicizing this event for her anti individual rights/gun rights agenda.
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: DealKiller on March 15, 2019, 01:17:39 PM
So nothing directly to do with Trump, although I don't understand what her problem is with the NRA when NZ already has very strict gun laws.
You don't understand her problem with the NRA? That's like saying why does the left have a problem with Trump or the NRA.
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: zale on March 15, 2019, 01:20:55 PM
She clarified in a later tweet that she is politicizing this event for her anti individual rights/gun rights agenda.

Correct. The way the Left works is that whomever cheers the loudest gets the most points. They must write at least one anti-Trump comment on Twitter per day or else they are out of the contest.

"Trump's fault" = 1 point
"NRA's fault" = 2 points
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: DealKiller on March 15, 2019, 01:26:55 PM
Correct. The way the Left works is that whomever cheers the loudest gets the most points. They must write at least one anti-Trump comment on Twitter per day or else they are out of the contest.

"Trump's fault" = 1 point
"NRA's fault" = 2 points
IMHO you have it wrong. T=2 and NRA=1.
How about the "right" contest? You want to comment on that? It seems you only see things one way.

Here we are like always making this a left/right issue when innocent people are getting killed. Just keep giving our "thoughts and prayers" as more and more get murdered!
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: shapsam on March 15, 2019, 01:29:09 PM
Here we are like always making this a left/right issue when innocent people are getting killed. Just keep giving our "thoughts and prayers" as more and more get murdered!
"Meaningless thoughts and prayers"? Well, I suppose if you are an atheist then it's meaningless.

"We want action!". What action would that be?
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: jj1000 on March 15, 2019, 01:43:07 PM
Terrible :(
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: jj1000 on March 15, 2019, 01:43:12 PM
don't shoot the messenger.


Can I just say, really poor choice of words here.
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: DealKiller on March 15, 2019, 01:59:37 PM
Can I just say, really poor choice of words here.
Agree.
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: YesThatsMe on March 15, 2019, 02:20:23 PM
Where is the world when this happenes in Israel? Even Obama refused to condemn Rubins. Every rocket that gets thrown at a civilian town is just as tragic as such a story.

And, I haven’t seen any clips of sweets being handed out to children in Tel Aviv today, unlike...
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: YesThatsMe on March 15, 2019, 02:23:02 PM
What kind of sicko statement is this? Innocent people where murdered in a place of worship.

100%. This happens to us every day in the holy land and no one says a word.
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: Yehuda57 on March 15, 2019, 02:28:37 PM
Post tragedy threads on DDF have the sensitivity of an elephant walking over potato chips.
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: Freddie on March 15, 2019, 02:31:00 PM
Post tragedy threads on DDF have the sensitivity of an elephant walking over potato chips.

checked DDF for the @Yehuda57 meta comment on the discussion itself. wasn't disappointed.
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: ExGingi on March 15, 2019, 02:32:36 PM
checked DDF for the @Yehuda57 meta comment on the discussion itself. wasn't disappointed.

Welcome back. Haven't seen you here in a while.
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: 12HRS on March 15, 2019, 02:54:59 PM
Can I just say, really poor choice of words here.

Username as well.
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: DealKiller on March 15, 2019, 03:08:07 PM
This happens to us every day in the holy land and no one says a word.
Who is us? 49 people get murdered everyday in places of worship in the Holy Land?
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: Yonah on March 15, 2019, 03:38:59 PM
They don't either understand that not all Jews are George Soros. They don't understand that not all Jews push an intersectional, interracial agenda or force people to accept that males and females are interchangeable. They don't understand that not all Jews are Karl Marx or Leon Trotsky. In fact, those so called "Jews" are not religious at all and don't care about Judaism in the least. Yet the meme propaganda that White Supremacist Nazis post are always of Jews with a beard, yarmulke and payos -- the Jews that are actually Right wing and Conservative.

These people hate Jews far more than they hate Muslims. They are angry and writing how this was all in vain because "he didn't mention the Jew" in his manifesto and that he didn't kill even one Jew.

I think about this a lot, even more now that there seems to be anti-semitic acts cropping up in the news daily. I work in a firm where, quite literally, I am one of two shomer shabbos people in the firm, and the only one to wear a yarmulka. There are many other jews in the firm, but very few of them have any kind of 'shaychus'.

I realized, that for most of these people, I am the ONLY Orthodox person they know, and possibly have ever known. I am the source of all of their questions about Judaism and the mideast.  I get asked questions (thankfully know one at work has asked me the 'sheet' question) ranging from - "Why is Israel killing Palestinian Babies'? to 'My daughter is going to a friend's bat mitzvah next week, how should she dress for synagogue?".

In a sense, I am the ambassador for the jewish people, and I do my best to be a good ambassador.

IMHO, most hatred comes from ignorance. If you do your best to educate the haters, some of them might just become non-haters.

Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: good sam on March 15, 2019, 03:57:33 PM
Correct. The way the Left works is that whomever cheers the loudest gets the most points. They must write at least one anti-Trump comment on Twitter per day or else they are out of the contest.

"Trump's fault" = 1 point
"NRA's fault" = 2 points
Pro-tip: never use "whomever" incorrectly.
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: Muhammad on March 16, 2019, 03:14:39 PM
They don't either understand that not all Jews are George Soros. They don't understand that not all Jews push an intersectional, interracial agenda or force people to accept that males and females are interchangeable. They don't understand that not all Jews are Karl Marx or Leon Trotsky. In fact, those so called "Jews" are not religious at all and don't care about Judaism in the least. Yet the meme propaganda that White Supremacist Nazis post are always of Jews with a beard, yarmulke and payos -- the Jews that are actually Right wing and Conservative.

These people hate Jews far more than they hate Muslims. They are angry and writing how this was all in vain because "he didn't mention the Jew" in his manifesto and that he didn't kill even one Jew.

I think about this a lot, even more now that there seems to be anti-semitic acts cropping up in the news daily. I work in a firm where, quite literally, I am one of two shomer shabbos people in the firm, and the only one to wear a yarmulka. There are many other jews in the firm, but very few of them have any kind of 'shaychus'.

I realized, that for most of these people, I am the ONLY Orthodox person they know, and possibly have ever known. I am the source of all of their questions about Judaism and the mideast.  I get asked questions (thankfully know one at work has asked me the 'sheet' question) ranging from - "Why is Israel killing Palestinian Babies'? to 'My daughter is going to a friend's bat mitzvah next week, how should she dress for synagogue?".

In a sense, I am the ambassador for the jewish people, and I do my best to be a good ambassador.

IMHO, most hatred comes from ignorance. If you do your best to educate the haters, some of them might just become non-haters.

bottem line no matter how religious you are, they dont differentiate between the jews. look at the holocaust.
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: Emkay on March 16, 2019, 05:21:34 PM
Where is the world when this happenes in Israel? Even Obama refused to condemn Rubins. Every rocket that gets thrown at a civilian town is just as tragic as such a story.

And, I haven’t seen any clips of sweets being handed out to children in Tel Aviv today, unlike...
We get it. You can go open up your own pc discussion thread.
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: grodnoking on March 16, 2019, 05:57:48 PM
Who is us? 49 people get murdered everyday in places of worship in the Holy Land?
Happens quite often, but due to the gun laws in Israel, the response time for someone with a gun to be on scene is usually 0 seconds to 2 minutes. Which should knock down the death rate comparatively 90%+
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: justaregularguy on March 17, 2019, 12:30:55 AM
Any comments on the senator from Australia’s response on this attack? 
And the egging he got for it?😅
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: Proisrael on March 17, 2019, 05:47:14 AM
2 israelis killed in a shooting near Ariel....The world is silent....#Jewishlivesdontmatter!!! If there are no condemnations by the arab world then Israel should tkae back their condemnations from the Mosque shootings.
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: Boruch999 on March 17, 2019, 07:43:33 AM
2 israelis killed in a shooting near Ariel....The world is silent....#Jewishlivesdontmatter!!! If there are no condemnations by the arab world then Israel should tkae back their condemnations from the Mosque shootings their hypocrisy should be pointed out and highlighted by all decent people.

FTFY
Title: Re: Man livestreams himself shooting up a mosque
Post by: yitzgar on March 17, 2019, 07:49:34 AM
2 israelis killed in a shooting near Ariel....The world is silent....#Jewishlivesdontmatter!!! If there are no condemnations by the arab world then Israel should tkae back their condemnations from the Mosque shootings.
That'll show em