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Title: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: Dan on April 01, 2019, 10:20:01 AM
A new Chabad opened in Kyoto, but there has been some sort of Chabad there for some time I think. Without getting too political, how does it work that Chabad does or doesn't officially recognize a shaloch as being "official"? Is it about paperwork or is there something more fundemental? Should one be more concerned about kasharus from an unofficial Chabad vs an official Chabad?

Official Chabad Houses are listed here: https://www.chabad.org/centers

Unofficial ones don't open with permission from the local head shliach and/or Chabad HQ, anyone can just open one.

Sometimes Chabad Houses might be unofficial due to a falling out with the local head shliach over a myriad of other reasons.

Other times unofficial ones are runs by outspoken meshichists with yellow moshiach flags, yechi signs, etc. While perhaps misguided, there is plenty of halachic basis for those beliefs that have been hashed over in other threads and I wouldn't have a problem eating their food. Though I'd still ask them some basic kashrus questions to make sure they're not a total farce who opened up shop.

When AJK and I were in Japan we ate at a felafel restaurant run by Rabbi Edery, the "yellow flag" unofficial Chabad in Tokyo. Another diner asked where we would be for Shabbos, by the regular Chabad House or the 2 scoops Chabad House?

We asked, "2 scoops?"

To which he responded, you know like the 2 scoops of Raisins in Raisin Bran? Well Rabbi Edery runs the 2 scoops of moshiach yellow flag Chabad House in Tokyo.

Title: Re: Unofficial Chabad Houses (Yellow Flag/2 Scoops/Etc)
Post by: shaulyaakov on April 01, 2019, 10:21:48 AM
Official Chabad Houses are listed here: https://www.chabad.org/centers

Unofficial ones don't open with permission from the local head shliach and/or Chabad HQ, anyone can just open one.

Typically, though not always, unofficial ones are runs by outspoken meshichists with yellow moshiach flags, yechi signs, etc. While perhaps misguided, there is plenty of halachic basis for their beliefs and I wouldn't have a problem eating their food. Though I'd still ask them some basic kashrus questions to make sure they're not a total farce who opened up shop.

Other times Chabad Houses might be unofficial due to a falling out with the local head shliach over a myriad of other reasons.
Are yellow flags specific to unofficial ones? I've been to plenty of what I presume to be official ones that have that (Venice, for example). Isn't Chabad HQ divided on that particular question?
Title: Re: Unofficial Chabad Houses (Yellow Flag/2 Scoops/Etc)
Post by: Dan on April 01, 2019, 10:24:43 AM
Are yellow flags specific to unofficial ones? I've been to plenty of what I presume to be official ones that have that (Venice, for example). Isn't Chabad HQ divided on that particular question?
They opened before the Rebbe passed away. I'm not aware of new official Yellow Flag Chabad Houses that opened after 1994, but it's possible there are a couple.
Title: Re: Unofficial Chabad Houses (Yellow Flag/2 Scoops/Etc)
Post by: ckmk47 on April 01, 2019, 10:36:00 AM
CFY-consolidated for you.
Official Chabad Houses are listed here: https://www.chabad.org/centers (https://www.chabad.org/centers)

Unofficial ones don't open with permission from the local head shliach and/or Chabad HQ, anyone can just open one.

Sometimes Chabad Houses might be unofficial due to a falling out with the local head shliach over a myriad of other reasons.
"Mushroom" Chabad houses spring up on their own.  To the 'customer', they are often indistiguishable from regular Chabad houses.
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: Dan on April 01, 2019, 10:51:39 AM
Wiki started, please add the ones you know of!
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: shaulyaakov on April 01, 2019, 10:57:48 AM
Does Chabad have any intellectual property rights they enforce? For example, any shul that's "YI of xyx" has to be part of the Young Israel, which would give the "customer" a reasonable expectation on Nussach and Hashkafah (within a certain ballpark).
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: sholom35 on April 01, 2019, 08:17:17 PM
I think there is a beis chabad on caye cayker.  http://beismoshiachmagazine.org/articles/shluchim-activities-and-miracles-in-belize.html.      I cant find it on the official list......
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: tmendy226 on April 01, 2019, 08:17:29 PM
Iím not sure who put zirkind from Maui in the wiki but he said clearly many times that heís not and. Not trying to be a shliach. Heís just a Jew who wants to have a kosher Jewish farm. He would not want to be on this (black) list
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: Dan on April 01, 2019, 08:24:21 PM
Iím not sure who put zirkind from Maui in the wiki but he said clearly many times that heís not and. Not trying to be a shliach. Heís just a Jew who wants to have a kosher Jewish farm. He would not want to be on this (black) list
I don't think of this as a blacklist at all. It's very helpful to know which other options there are besides for what Chabad.org has listed.
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: Dan on April 01, 2019, 08:29:15 PM
I think there is a beis chabad on caye cayker.  http://beismoshiachmagazine.org/articles/shluchim-activities-and-miracles-in-belize.html.      I cant find it on the official list......
Added, thanks.
Keep em coming.
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: tmendy226 on April 01, 2019, 08:30:06 PM
I don't think of this as a blacklist at all. It's very helpful to know which other options there are besides for what Chabad.org has listed.

It depends on your perspective, but many lubavitchers wouldínt want to be on this list... including him to the best of my knowledge
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: shaulyaakov on April 01, 2019, 08:30:57 PM
There's a quasi Chabad shteeble in Albany NY.
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: Dan on April 01, 2019, 08:31:48 PM
It depends on your perspective, but many lubavitchers wouldínt want to be on this list... including him to the best of my knowledge
OK, removed.
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: whYME on April 01, 2019, 09:02:26 PM
I'm trying to decide if I want to jump into this thread but meanwhile, the major mistake (some might say Freudian slip (https://emoji.tapatalk-cdn.com/emoji85.png) ) in the wiki is quite hilarious.
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: joey89 on April 01, 2019, 09:23:33 PM
Without getting into an ideological discussion.

Many (most?) of these Chabad houses are located in remote geographical locations where it would be hard to create a feasible sustainability plan (partially the reason for there not being official Chabad centers). The young families that chose to move there face many challenges. They are very far (usually 12+ hr flight) from any family, many of them live several hours from another religious person, many of the women need to fly several hours just to go to Mikva, etc. They nevertheless relocated their entire family, live in poverty, have very hard times getting Kosher chicken/meat (many of them learn to shecht), have to teach their children without any other children being educated similarly....
All this is in order to prevent 1000ís of searching Jews (many ex IDF) from falling into serving Avodah Zorah Mammosh while on their spiritual quests.

This is literal Mesiras Nefesh for the spiritual benefit of someone they do not know.
Many 1000ís of backpackers have returned to their Jewish routes thanks to these families.

Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: Dan on April 01, 2019, 09:41:05 PM
Without getting into an ideological discussion.

Many (most?) of these Chabad houses are located in remote geographical locations where it would be hard to create a feasible sustainability plan (partially the reason for there not being official Chabad centers). The young families that chose to move there face many challenges. They are very far (usually 12+ hr flight) from any family, many of them live several hours from another religious person, many of the women need to fly several hours just to go to Mikva, etc. They nevertheless relocated their entire family, live in poverty, have very hard times getting Kosher chicken/meat (many of them learn to shecht), have to teach their children without any other children being educated similarly....
All this is in order to prevent 1000ís of searching Jews (many ex IDF) from falling into serving Avodah Zorah Mammosh while on their spiritual quests.

This is literal Mesiras Nefesh for the spiritual benefit of someone they do not know.
Many 1000ís of backpackers have returned to their Jewish routes thanks to these families.


This thread is a helpful resource for people to know that they're out there and why they're out there, it's not for ideological discussion.

And I'm sure many do amazing work.

At the same time, there is a system that the Rebbe set up for Shlichus, and they are working around it. If they wanted to go about it in an official manner and without the yellow flags, many could have done that.
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: ExGingi on April 01, 2019, 09:46:51 PM
Does Chabad have any intellectual property rights they enforce? For example, any shul that's "YI of xyx" has to be part of the Young Israel, which would give the "customer" a reasonable expectation on Nussach and Hashkafah (within a certain ballpark).
Only ip rights I am aware of is the Kehos logo (and possibly Rabbi Mangelís English translation of the Siddur), both of which are owned by Merkos LíInyonei Chinuch IINM.

In Israel some people tried to claim rights to the name Chabad and/or Chabad House, but their claim was summarily rejected.
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: joey89 on April 01, 2019, 09:50:58 PM
This thread is a helpful resource for people to know that they're out there and why they're out there, it's not for ideological discussion.

And I'm sure many do amazing work.

At the same time, there is a system that the Rebbe set up for Shlichus, and they are working around it. If they wanted to go about it in an official manner and without the yellow flags, many could have done that.

Agree with (almost) everything you wrote. (Which is why I didn't want to get into an ideological discussion)
My post was just to illustrate to those unfamiliar, that these are extremely dedicated and sincere people who can be a valuable resource while traveling. And that they should not be viewed as a offshoot sect that donít adhere to Chabad standards and customs.
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: Zalc on April 02, 2019, 12:05:40 AM
Central America (already in wiki)
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: G11600 on April 02, 2019, 03:13:49 AM
Added, thanks.
Keep em coming.

It's not in Belize City (as added) but in Caye Caulker, an island off the coast (plane/ferry ride)
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: myi on April 02, 2019, 03:16:05 AM
Nice work here.
Thanks
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: Emkay on April 02, 2019, 05:50:07 AM
Kenya https://www.chabadkenya.org

Ethiopia http://chabadethiopia.org
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: shaulyaakov on April 02, 2019, 09:14:45 AM
Would an unofficial Chabad open up if there is already an official one there, or is it usually that the unofficial chabad pre-dates the official one? I would be much more skeptical of the motives of an unofficial chabad that opens after an existing one is there.
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: whYME on April 02, 2019, 09:36:01 AM
usually that the unofficial chabad pre-dates the official one
This, generally speaking.

Although in some places it's a lot more complex.
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: ckmk47 on April 02, 2019, 10:08:22 AM


 If they wanted to go about it in an official manner and without the yellow flags, many could have done that.
Would an unofficial Chabad open up if there is already an official one there, or is it usually that the unofficial chabad pre-dates the official one? I would be much more skeptical of the motives of an unofficial chabad that opens after an existing one is there.
Dan, disagree.
shaulyaakov, no need to be skeptical.
The mushroom Chabad houses that I know of, by and large, were started in less exotic locales.  There was work to be done locally that was not being addressed by the (long) established shliach. Sometimes the original shliach was holding the 'territory' for his soon-to-be-grown-up kid. So the new guy moves in and does the work, but doesn't use the official Chabad name.
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: Dan on April 02, 2019, 10:18:32 AM
Dan, disagree.
shaulyaakov, no need to be skeptical.
The mushroom Chabad houses that I know of, by and large, were started in less exotic locales.  There was work to be done locally that was not being addressed by the (long) established shliach. Sometimes the original shliach was holding the 'territory' for his soon-to-be-grown-up kid. So the new guy moves in and does the work, but doesn't use the official Chabad name.
How are you disagreeing when I said the word many and not all?
For now there aren't many mushrooms listed in the Wiki. Feel free to add.
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: tmendy226 on April 02, 2019, 10:30:03 AM
Dan, disagree.
shaulyaakov, no need to be skeptical.
The mushroom Chabad houses that I know of, by and large, were started in less exotic locales.  There was work to be done locally that was not being addressed by the (long) established shliach. Sometimes the original shliach was holding the 'territory' for his soon-to-be-grown-up kid. So the new guy moves in and does the work, but doesn't use the official Chabad name.

The ones youíre referring to are very different then the ones posted here (for once they usually wouldnít be in touristy places but areas with a community). The ones here fit more or less @joey89 Ďs description
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: Dan on April 02, 2019, 10:34:04 AM
Agree with (almost) everything you wrote. (Which is why I didn't want to get into an ideological discussion)
My post was just to illustrate to those unfamiliar, that these are extremely dedicated and sincere people who can be a valuable resource while traveling. And that they should not be viewed as a offshoot sect that donít adhere to Chabad standards and customs.
Agreed. If anything these ones provide more services for tourists than official Chabad Houses as many are specifically geared for tourists whereas most official Chabad Houses are geared for locals.
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: whYME on April 02, 2019, 10:44:27 AM
Agreed. If anything these ones provide more services for tourists than official Chabad Houses as many are specifically geared for tourists whereas most official Chabad Houses are geared for locals.
1. This has more to do with location than official/unofficial
2. CMIIW, but I assume if anything it's the official ones (in tourist destinations) who are more geared toward the DDF-type (i.e. frum) tourist. The far-flung unofficial ones mentioned here I think are for the most part geared toward the Israeli backpacker types.
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: Dan on April 02, 2019, 10:46:56 AM
1. This has more to do with location than official/unofficial
2. CMIIW, but I assume if anything it's the official ones (in tourist destinations) who are more geared toward the DDF-type (i.e. frum) tourist. The far-flung unofficial ones mentioned here I think are for the most part geared toward the Israeli backpacker types.
I guess what I mean is that there are official Chabads in touristy places that don't seem to want to have anything to do with tourists and there are some that are very helpful for tourists.

Whereas the unofficial Chabads in touristy places are specifically there for tourists. They may be targeted for Israeli backpackers, but they can still be very helpful for any frum tourist.
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: whYME on April 02, 2019, 10:50:09 AM
I guess what I mean is that there are official Chabads in touristy places that don't seem to want to have anything to do with tourists and there are some that are very helpful for tourists.

Whereas the unofficial Chabads in touristy places are specifically there for tourists. They may be targeted for Israeli backpackers, but they can still be very helpful for any frum tourist.
Fair enough.
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: Yonah on April 02, 2019, 11:34:22 AM
Is this just for 'Chabad Houses' - i.e. those that offer services to travellers, or chabad shuls/minyanim as well?

For example - https://bethisraelchabad.org/ in Norwalk, CT.

Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: Dan on April 02, 2019, 11:39:29 AM
Is this just for 'Chabad Houses' - i.e. those that offer services to travellers, or chabad shuls/minyanim as well?

For example - https://bethisraelchabad.org/ in Norwalk, CT.
Can be anything not on Chabad.org.
Please add to Wiki.
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: Galitzyaner on May 08, 2019, 11:37:47 AM
OK, removed.
There's no question (in my mind at least) he fits the criteria to be on this list

Will certain hotels/resorts/restaurants or any other facilities or practitioners be asked first if they grant permission to be discussed/rated/reviewed or listed on a DDF or any other forum?! This just sounds absurd IMHO.


The rumor was that he was getting a minyan, while the official Chabad in Maui wasn't.
This list is meant to be a resource for travelers, why on Earth would one want to exclude such valuable information?!

This is not a "blacklist" even if certain people may perceive it as such.
This list isn't meant to be a philosophical discussion or to be putting a label on anyone. If I were visiting Maui I'd want to know about this place.

...Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: Dan on May 08, 2019, 11:47:39 AM
There's no question (in my mind at least) he fits the criteria to be on this list

Will certain hotels/resorts/restaurants or any other facilities or practitioners be asked first if they grant permission to be discussed/rated/reviewed or listed on a DDF or any other forum?! This just sounds absurd IMHO.


The rumor was that he was getting a minyan, while the official Chabad in Maui wasn't.
This list is meant to be a resource for travelers, why on Earth would one want to exclude such valuable information?!

This is not a "blacklist" even if certain people may perceive it as such.
This list isn't meant to be a philosophical discussion or to be putting a label on anyone. If I were visiting Maui I'd want to know about this place.

...Just my 2 cents.
It's a Wiki, feel free to restore it :)
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: ExGingi on May 09, 2019, 07:22:10 AM
These are all official ones, at some unique locales.

Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: Dan on May 09, 2019, 07:38:32 AM
Is Duchman the only official shliach not on Chabad.org?
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: whYME on May 09, 2019, 09:43:06 AM
Is Duchman the only official shliach not on Chabad.org?
Which Duchman?
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: Dan on May 09, 2019, 09:52:09 AM
Shliach to Dubai in that video.
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: whYME on May 09, 2019, 10:42:50 AM
Shliach to Dubai in that video.
Oops, I didn't watch it and didn't realize the question was related to the video.
There are probably some in other sensitive places as well. For example, I don't know if he's still there now, but i know there used to be someone in Izmir Turkey who IIRC was not listed.
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: ExGingi on May 09, 2019, 12:24:46 PM
Shliach to Dubai in that video.

I gave up trying to figure out what they were saying before it reached him, but now that you've mentioned, I've attempted to listen. Couldn't discern quite a few. I see there classmates, guys that used to frequent (or infrequent) my Shabbos table when they were in 770, as well as a younger generation. Quite amazing. If anyone can come up with the list of names/places mentioned there, would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: Dan on May 09, 2019, 12:54:53 PM
I gave up trying to figure out what they were saying before it reached him, but now that you've mentioned, I've attempted to listen. Couldn't discern quite a few. I see there classmates, guys that used to frequent (or infrequent) my Shabbos table when they were in 770, as well as a younger generation. Quite amazing. If anyone can come up with the list of names/places mentioned there, would be appreciated.
Classmate of mine, Eli Rosenfeld, shliach to Lisbon.
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: ExGingi on May 09, 2019, 01:26:31 PM
Classmate of mine, Eli Rosenfeld, shliach to Lisbon.

Yes. He was one of the few that did speak clearly. IINM he's my neighbor's SIL.
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: Dan on May 09, 2019, 01:27:33 PM
Yes. He was one of the few that did speak clearly. IINM he's my neighbor's SIL.
Seems like many of them could have benefited from speech classes in yeshiva ;)
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: ExGingi on May 09, 2019, 01:45:29 PM
Seems like many of them could have benefited from speech classes in yeshiva ;)

+100000000000000000000
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: ExGingi on May 09, 2019, 08:20:12 PM
Yes. He was one of the few that did speak clearly. IINM he's my neighbor's SIL.

I guess he got his fatherís speaking skills.
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: tmendy226 on July 28, 2019, 04:14:32 AM
Is Duchman the only official shliach not on Chabad.org?

The host himself isnít on chabad.org
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: moish on July 28, 2019, 06:22:35 AM
Pretty sure Hikkaduwa is unofficial
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: tmendy226 on July 28, 2019, 10:30:44 AM
How is Beth tefila in Scottsdale related to chabad in any way?
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: Dan on December 16, 2019, 02:53:50 PM
Added link for Bali to Wiki.
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: ual902 on December 16, 2019, 11:30:30 PM
Chabad El Nido, Palawan Philippines

Had a good meal, Good Wif,i  very hospitable and a very nice Yud Shevat farbengen in 2016

https://chabad.ph/contact/chabad-in-el-nido/
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: Dan on February 20, 2020, 09:58:03 AM
https://baisdovidcleveland.com/
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: avromie7 on February 20, 2020, 11:50:11 AM
 The 2 listed in the wiki in New Brunswick, NJ (unofficial and official) look like they are the same, same address & same people and neither of them are listed on the official website.
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: Dan on February 20, 2020, 11:38:08 PM
The 2 listed in the wiki in New Brunswick, NJ (unofficial and official) look like they are the same, same address & same people and neither of them are listed on the official website.
Fixed.
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: Yammer on February 21, 2020, 02:43:42 AM
Some have pointed out that ppl should be a little more careful when relying on unofficial Chabad Rabbi's/house's. While the super majority are amazing & dedicated ppl, being that there is no official organization behind them, has shown some to be less reliable.
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: israshot on April 26, 2020, 08:55:53 PM
Rabbi Lazar, chief Rabbi of Russia took yesterday the initiative to bring Achdout in Chabad following the passing of the Shliach Binyomin Wolff in Germany.
Just a few hours ago Rabbi Bentolila, the head Shliach of Central Africa, decided to make the 2 unofficial Shluchim in Central Africa, official. This is Rabbi Notik from Kenya and Rabby Chaviv from Ethiopia.
For all the Chabad Chsidim in this forum, please say L'chaim! Let's hope that this bring us closer to Moshiach.
See the Whatsapp screenshot attached.
(I spent myself more than 6 months in Central Africa and this is a huge deal, Shluchim are really trying to bring more people together and hopefully, this will encourage others to do the same).

(https://i.imgur.com/zfHDct6.jpg)
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: tmendy226 on April 27, 2020, 12:25:49 AM
Kazakhstan should be coming next in the following hours. perhaps more...
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: Shmobaum on April 27, 2020, 12:54:30 AM
The Chabad house in Itamar, Israel
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: israshot on April 27, 2020, 09:21:59 AM
Now Mexico!
If it continues like this, this thread will have to change name...
(https://i.imgur.com/pu7lKgJ.jpg)
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: ExGingi on April 27, 2020, 11:38:26 AM
India?
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: Dan on April 27, 2020, 02:26:04 PM
Rabbi Lazar, chief Rabbi of Russia took yesterday the initiative to bring Achdout in Chabad following the passing of the Shliach Binyomin Wolff in Germany.
Just a few hours ago Rabbi Bentolila, the head Shliach of Central Africa, decided to make the 2 unofficial Shluchim in Central Africa, official. This is Rabbi Notik from Kenya and Rabby Chaviv from Ethiopia.
For all the Chabad Chsidim in this forum, please say L'chaim! Let's hope that this bring us closer to Moshiach.
See the Whatsapp screenshot attached.
(I spent myself more than 6 months in Central Africa and this is a huge deal, Shluchim are really trying to bring more people together and hopefully, this will encourage others to do the same).

(https://i.imgur.com/zfHDct6.jpg)
Nice!
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: Dan on April 27, 2020, 02:26:20 PM
Now Mexico!
If it continues like this, this thread will have to change name...
(https://i.imgur.com/pu7lKgJ.jpg)
Link?

Any articles on this stuff?
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: Yehuda57 on April 27, 2020, 02:31:16 PM
Link?

Any articles on this stuff?
COL had one (not linking ;-)
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: israshot on April 27, 2020, 02:31:54 PM
Link?

Any articles on this stuff?
https://chabadinfo.com/exclusive/shluchim-in-mexico-uniting/


https://collive.com/rabbi-lazar-calls-for-shluchim-to-make-peace/
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: Yehuda57 on April 27, 2020, 02:32:24 PM
Link?

Any articles on this stuff?

IINM, some of the faces on that screenshot have DDF accounts.
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: Dan on April 27, 2020, 02:37:24 PM
https://chabadinfo.com/exclusive/shluchim-in-mexico-uniting/


https://collive.com/rabbi-lazar-calls-for-shluchim-to-make-peace/
That doesn't mean the Mexican mushrooms are being recognized though.
@Club2000
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: Yehuda57 on April 27, 2020, 02:52:17 PM
That doesn't mean the Mexican mushrooms are being recognized though.
@Club2000

The fact that they are farbrenging together is beautiful in and of itself.
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: Dan on April 27, 2020, 03:00:57 PM
The fact that they are farbrenging together is beautiful in and of itself.
Absolutely, but I thought the post meant something else.
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: ExGingi on April 27, 2020, 05:08:31 PM
https://youtu.be/dsImKAgdY3o

Yesterday's long farbrengen
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: AsherO on April 28, 2020, 08:33:02 AM
https://youtu.be/dsImKAgdY3o

Yesterday's long farbrengen

Does it go until the end? Where are the Hashmotos?
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: israshot on April 28, 2020, 09:01:02 AM
Does it go until the end? Where are the Hashmotos?
Not for the forum.
I watched it live and I understand why it was removed.
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: AsherO on April 28, 2020, 08:13:59 PM
Not for the forum.
I watched it live and I understand why it was removed.

PM? All I heard was rumors, I want the juicy gossip (even if itís sanitized so it isnít LhĒR).
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: israshot on April 28, 2020, 08:42:04 PM
Not for the forum.
I watched it live and I understand why it was removed.
@ExGingi I just watched the sensitive parts and they are all there.
I was told it was censored but no, everything is there.
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: AsherO on April 29, 2020, 11:38:58 AM
@ExGingi I just watched the sensitive parts and they are all there.
I was told it was censored but no, everything is there.

I guess I need to find time for this before it gets edited 😝

Itís also ironic that aguch got their court order (Iím not sure how significant it is) just the same time as this.
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: israshot on April 29, 2020, 12:09:53 PM


I guess I need to find time for this before it gets edited
I can give you some marei mekomos instead of spending 8 hours watching it...
If it made its way to YT, it's not someone from Moscow that uploaded it. Unless Putin has a say on YT, it's there to stay.



Itís also ironic that aguch got their court order (Iím not sure how significant it is) just the same time as this.
Very interesting coincidence. Maybe what happened on Seudas Moshiach was the last push?

Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: chief_mag on April 29, 2020, 12:12:38 PM

Itís also ironic that aguch got their court order (Iím not sure how significant it is)
It's the longest and most comprehensive verdict yet. So the appeal will be quite a bit harder.
If the appeal doesn't work out, it seems like there will be quite the change around town in 6 months.
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: Kobe bryent on April 29, 2020, 01:27:46 PM
I can give you some marei mekomos instead of spending 8 hours watching it...
If it made its way to YT, it's not someone from Moscow that uploaded it. Unless Putin has a say on YT, it's there to stay.


Very interesting coincidence. Maybe what happened on Seudas Moshiach was the last push?

Guess i got lucky, scrolled to the right spot.
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: israshot on May 01, 2020, 06:58:51 PM
Rabbi Lazar, chief Rabbi of Russia took yesterday the initiative to bring Achdout in Chabad following the passing of the Shliach Binyomin Wolff in Germany.
Just a few hours ago Rabbi Bentolila, the head Shliach of Central Africa, decided to make the 2 unofficial Shluchim in Central Africa, official. This is Rabbi Notik from Kenya and Rabby Chaviv from Ethiopia.
For all the Chabad Chsidim in this forum, please say L'chaim! Let's hope that this bring us closer to Moshiach.
See the Whatsapp screenshot attached.
(I spent myself more than 6 months in Central Africa and this is a huge deal, Shluchim are really trying to bring more people together and hopefully, this will encourage others to do the same).

(https://i.imgur.com/UDnB7A9h.jpg)
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: AsherO on May 03, 2020, 06:39:53 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/UDnB7A9h.jpg)

Is he backpedaling, or reaffirming the same?
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: israshot on May 03, 2020, 07:52:41 AM
Is he backpedaling, or reaffirming the same?
Reaffirming but he's putting some context, Achdus? Yes, but not at any price.
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: justmeha on May 03, 2020, 11:45:27 AM
Reaffirming but he's putting some context, Achdus? but not the fake kind were we pretend nothing is wrong and let problems slide.
ftfy
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: AsherO on May 03, 2020, 11:48:08 AM
Reaffirming but he's putting some context, Achdus? Yes, but not at any price.

In a sense heís biased. Im not convinced the territorial stuff was by design.
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: ExGingi on May 03, 2020, 12:30:54 PM
Reaffirming but he's putting some context, Achdus? Yes, but not at any price.

So now, the big question is how motivated is the TOP to achieve achdus. If all this means that we can unite as long as I get to dictate the rules, then I'm afraid this might be nothing new. If, on the other hand, there's a true motivation for achdus, which means that there can be legitimate disagreement, and acknowledgement that while I might find my way to be the true way, I can find validity and accept another way, then we might make serious progress. This requires true גדלות המוחין.

An example I often bring to this is the attitude towards entering the Rebbe's room. Some people feel that their hiskashrus to the Rebbe leads them to want to be there as much as possible, while others feel that their hiskashrus to the Rebbe prohibits them from entering the Rebbe's room. Being able to feel a strong conviction one way AND ACCEPT AND RESPECT THE OTHER WAY AS TRULY VALID is where we should be.
Title: Re: Master List Of Unofficial Chabad Houses
Post by: Mtrasb on May 25, 2020, 07:53:48 PM
https://anash.org/chabad-achdus-initiative-reaches-world-jewry/