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Title: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: Dan on April 05, 2019, 01:50:51 PM
Use this board at your own risk. Dan's Deals LLC assumes no liability for deals gone bad.

Extra precautions should be taken when trading with new members.

Ideas include:
-Asking for references from established members.
-Asking for goods from a new members to be delivered before payment
-Asking for proof of who the seller is, with ID and DDF handle in the image.
-Speaking over the phone and calling the seller at a verified number.
-Agree to wait until after flight/hotel is used before payment is paid
-Use an escrow.
-Post your own ideas below.

Even with precautions taken, you still may be scammed with fraudulent items. Caveat emptor!
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: Denverite on April 05, 2019, 02:45:03 PM
Anyone have links to sites that basically do escrow accounts for individual transactions?  It might be helpful for people.  I rented some timeshare weeks off of people years ago on Redweek.com and I know they recommended a company.  I figure the technology has improved since then and prices may have gone down.  I know it's not worth it for small gift cards, etc. but I see a lot of transactions (especially for Ritz/Marriott weeks) for large amounts, where using a third party service like this could be useful.

Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: mmgfarb on April 05, 2019, 02:58:07 PM
Anyone have links to sites that basically do escrow accounts for individual transactions?  It might be helpful for people.  I rented some timeshare weeks off of people years ago on Redweek.com and I know they recommended a company.  I figure the technology has improved since then and prices may have gone down.  I know it's not worth it for small gift cards, etc. but I see a lot of transactions (especially for Ritz/Marriott weeks) for large amounts, where using a third party service like this could be useful.
Usually even a couple percent added to the cost will make the deal unviable, especially when you're talking about GC's.
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: Denverite on April 05, 2019, 03:21:23 PM
Usually even a couple percent added to the cost will make the deal unviable, especially when you're talking about GC's.

I know, that's why I said this isn't for small purchases, gift cards, etc (so I know this won't help a lot of people).  I was more referring the large amounts people are spending for Marriott weeks or multiple Hilton night certs.  Also, one guy that recently got scammed was for a "Travel Bank" purchase at 25% off.  I don't know how large of an amount he spent but paying an extra little bit for an escrow might have saved him a lot of heartache.
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: LEARNERBURNER on April 07, 2019, 12:15:46 AM
I have been scammed multiple times on ddf. It is a real cesspool of opportunists....
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: mmgfarb on April 07, 2019, 12:25:47 AM
I have been scammed multiple times on ddf. It is a real cesspool of opportunists....
I don't know why anyone expects anything different when dealing with people who don't have an established record of good transactions or who is a longtime member in good standing. This is an anonymous online forum, no different than any other, there's no reason to assume that people trying to take advantage are going to come here.
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: ludmila on April 07, 2019, 03:05:07 AM
I don't know why anyone expects anything different when dealing with people who don't have an established record of good transactions or who is a longtime member in good standing. This is an anonymous online forum, no different than any other, there's no reason to assume that people trying to take advantage are going to come here.
Well said.
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: mmgfarb on April 07, 2019, 04:12:55 AM


I don't know why anyone expects anything different when dealing with people who don't have an established record of good transactions or who is a longtime member in good standing. This is an anonymous online forum, no different than any other, there's no reason to assume that people trying to take advantage aren't going to come here.
Whoops, FTFM
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: DoreshEmes on April 11, 2019, 04:53:38 PM
Do most of you active DDFers know who each other are?  Do you know each other in person or only online?  By name or only by username?  Just because someone has posted many times on DDF, how does that necessarily make them more trustworthy?
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: myi on April 11, 2019, 05:01:54 PM
Do most of you active DDFers know who each other are?  Do you know each other in person or only online?  By name or only by username?  Just because someone has posted many times on DDF, how does that necessarily make them more trustworthy?
The more your around on DDF the more you've interacted with other members, I've been here for quite some time and had bought sold and hand delivered many items to random DDF members over time.
 Now can I say there's any members who know who I am outside of my DDF handle? That's another question. There are many that know im myi.. but being around and commenting and participating in the forum makes you a man of your words and will have some trust added to your name.
  I've never met most of DDF members, but I would trust many of them.(mostly those that were around on DDF for some time.)
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: myi on April 11, 2019, 05:05:52 PM
Do most of you active DDFers know who each other are?  Do you know each other in person or only online?  By name or only by username?  Just because someone has posted many times on DDF, how does that necessarily make them more trustworthy?
For example you created an account 5+ years ago but have only posted once since then.
 Unless others know you and can vouch for you, don't know if  I would give you a status as a trusted member.
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: DoreshEmes on April 11, 2019, 05:12:05 PM
For example you created an account 5+ years ago but have only posted once since then.
 Unless others know you and can vouch for you, don't know if  I would give you a status as a trusted member.

I would imagine there are lurkers on the forums who just read and try to educate themselves but don't have as much to contribute, or those who made an account in the past to post something and then forgot about it until they went on the site again.

I'm just thinking that the frequency of posting on an anonymous online forum wouldn't necessarily impact how much I trust a person.
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: myi on April 11, 2019, 05:18:41 PM
I would imagine there are lurkers on the forums who just read and try to educate themselves but don't have as much to contribute, or those who made an account in the past to post something and then forgot about it until they went on the site again.

I'm just thinking that the frequency of posting on an anonymous online forum wouldn't necessarily impact how much I trust a person.
Very valid thinking for a newbie.
 Give it a few months or even a year and you will see what I'm talking about how members who were here for quite some time become family  :D.
   Now if you didn't want to do business with other members I can understand as the famous saying goes never do business with family. ;)
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: davidrotts63 on April 11, 2019, 05:21:00 PM


Just because someone has posted many times on DDF, how does that necessarily make them more trustworthy?
It doesn't!
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: TimT on April 11, 2019, 05:26:25 PM
  Just because someone has posted many times on DDF, how does that necessarily make them more trustworthy?
It doesnít. Use extreme caution
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: ckmk47 on April 11, 2019, 08:37:27 PM
I have been scammed multiple times on ddf. It is a real cesspool of opportunists....

On what percentage of transactions done here were you scammed?
Were any scammers active, long time members?
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: LEARNERBURNER on April 11, 2019, 08:59:21 PM
Don't know about percentage but about 3k in value
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: Fish Tank on April 11, 2019, 08:59:25 PM
I have been scammed multiple times on ddf. It is a real cesspool of opportunists....
Multiple times??  :o

How does that happen? You didn't realize to ask for references after the first time being scammed?
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: 12HRS on April 12, 2019, 01:01:42 AM
Can we delete half the posts on this topic and in other threads related to this.. all we are doing is giving scammers ideas needed to make themselves look more legit.
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: myi on April 12, 2019, 01:18:41 AM
Can we delete half the posts on this topic and in other threads related to this.. all we are doing is giving scammers ideas needed to make themselves look more legit.
If there's someone really good out there he knows what he's doing even without your/our help.

  It's like saying the news shouldn't publish stories how the burglars broke into someone's house, hence you're giving ideas for thieves and burglars have to break into people's houses. Obviously that's a dumb statement because you got to live life and that's what happens you just have to prevent it by taking security precautions on your end.
  in my opinion I think you can accomplish more by putting it out there and warning all the members that there's those that will scam people whether new members whether old members it's on your end to make sure you don't get scammed and take the extra steps to avoid being scammed.
   
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: ludmila on April 12, 2019, 01:19:38 AM
Multiple times??  :o

How does that happen? You didn't realize to ask for references after the first time being scammed?
I think it was @Isma05 and the newer guy who got banned too@ hellow
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: davidrotts63 on April 12, 2019, 01:22:23 AM
Can we delete half the posts on this topic and in other threads related to this.. all we are doing is giving scammers ideas needed to make themselves look more legit.
+1
If there's someone really good out there he knows what he's doing even without your/our help.

  It's like saying the news shouldn't publish stories how the burglars broke into someone's house, hence you're giving ideas for thieves and burglars have to break into people's houses. Obviously that's a dumb statement because you got to live life and that's what happens you just have to prevent it by taking security precautions on your end.
  in my opinion I think you can accomplish more by putting it out there and warning all the members that there's those that will scam people whether new members whether old members it's on your end to make sure you don't get scammed and take the extra steps to avoid being scammed.
 
-1
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: myi on April 12, 2019, 01:23:54 AM
+1-1
+ and - is cool, but what don't you like?

 For example a guy like @davidrotts63 one day he bumps into a site called dansdeals forum and creates an account, he seemed like a very knowledgeable person, with Keen eyes.
 First he became my buddy when he joined DDF, And now he blended in like a long time member. Was thinking to have him over for my pesach Seder but thinking again before that happens.. :P
  You got to be careful out there..
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: davidrotts63 on April 12, 2019, 01:25:43 AM
+ and - is cool, but what don't you like?
The logic in it, the 2 opinions are there, just saying which I agree with.
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: 12HRS on April 12, 2019, 01:28:02 AM
If there's someone really good out there he knows what he's doing even without your/our help.

  It's like saying the news shouldn't publish stories how the burglars broke into someone's house, hence you're giving ideas for thieves and burglars have to break into people's houses. Obviously that's a dumb statement because you got to live life and that's what happens you just have to prevent it by taking security precautions on your end.
  in my opinion I think you can accomplish more by putting it out there and warning all the members that there's those that will scam people whether new members whether old members it's on your end to make sure you don't get scammed and take the extra steps to avoid being scammed.
 

It's putting ideas in peoples heads. Yes .1% of people can come along and steal a car. but 1% will steal a car if the keys are left in the ignition.
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: myi on April 12, 2019, 01:34:58 AM
It's putting ideas in peoples heads. Yes .1% of people can come along and steal a car. but 1% will steal a car if the keys are left in the ignition.
With your argument being said above. Not so sure if I should be posting this on an open forum, but good thing they don't come to visit the biggest yeshivah in North America..(GMB)
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: davidrotts63 on April 12, 2019, 01:35:48 AM
No one wants those cars, but that's besides the point
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: myi on April 12, 2019, 01:37:05 AM
No one wants those cars, but that's besides the point
Alol.. I saw some nice ones the other day, you have a wealthy FIL then he takes care of you..
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: ckmk47 on April 12, 2019, 01:58:44 AM
No one wants those cars, but that's besides the point
I used to say my car is it's own anti-theft device.
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: 12HRS on April 12, 2019, 08:39:08 AM
With your argument being said above. Not so sure if I should be posting this on an open forum, but good thing they don't come to visit the biggest yeshivah in North America..(GMB)

Seriously? if you cant see it at this point I'm done.
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: godofchurning on May 20, 2019, 10:16:25 PM
Some people who trade are seriously such kids... they want everything to be spoon fed.. like come on.. with so many bloggers spoon feeding.. still these kids want information to be spoon fed... and they want to negotiate with you to sell for cheaper.. some people are so stupid.. its unbelievable...
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: htg123 on May 26, 2019, 11:37:41 AM
@Dan
Obviously, not your problem when scammers are out there, but what measures are you able to take from keeping the scammer out once something bad has occured?

Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: chief_mag on May 26, 2019, 01:56:53 PM
@Dan
Obviously, not your problem when scammers are out there, but what measures are you able to take from keeping the scammer out once something bad has occured?

IDK if this is the norm or an exception, but here's his response to a scammer-situation
If you PM me details I reach out to other side and ban if they don't respond.
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: fabgourmet on June 01, 2019, 03:26:48 AM
Hi, I'm a brand new member who just stumbled upon this forum.

I found a great price on a Marriott certificate, corresponded at length with the seller, and placed money in an account at escrow.com .

The charges were minimal, particularly compared to the amount I am saving with the certificate, and it gave us both peace of mind.

Perhaps my experience isn't typical, and it did require a bit of back and forth + verification, but it was really work an hour or two of an afternoon to save hundreds and hundreds of dollars.

YMMV.
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: geniexluva on June 06, 2019, 09:33:33 PM
I'm fuming  >:(. I had someone ask to buy my night. I did all the booking and when it was time to pay...silent. Then after some back and forth on payment options she decided that she wasn't "comfortable with the situation" and wanted to cancel. Waste of my time. I really want to report those kind of people. Luckily I can still cancel but still frustrating a whole day's wasted.
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: JeremyG on June 06, 2019, 09:45:10 PM
This is a very slick plug for escrow.com 😁
Hi, I'm a brand new member who just stumbled upon this forum.

I found a great price on a Marriott certificate, corresponded at length with the seller, and placed money in an account at escrow.com .

The charges were minimal, particularly compared to the amount I am saving with the certificate, and it gave us both peace of mind.

Perhaps my experience isn't typical, and it did require a bit of back and forth + verification, but it was really work an hour or two of an afternoon to save hundreds and hundreds of dollars.

YMMV.
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: godofchurning on June 06, 2019, 10:31:32 PM
I'm fuming  >:(. I had someone ask to buy my night. I did all the booking and when it was time to pay...silent. Then after some back and forth on payment options she decided that she wasn't "comfortable with the situation" and wanted to cancel. Waste of my time. I really want to report those kind of people. Luckily I can still cancel but still frustrating a whole day's wasted.

I agree. One person chatted with me about alaska voucher. i spent like 1 day explaining and confirming and then when it was time to book the person bailed.
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: geniexluva on June 07, 2019, 12:11:18 AM
I agree. One person chatted with me about alaska voucher. i spent like 1 day explaining and confirming and then when it was time to book the person bailed.

That's so annoying. At least you didn't book yet. I had to call Hyatt back to cancel the booking.
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: a good yeshiva bachur on June 07, 2019, 05:36:21 AM
I agree. One person chatted with me about alaska voucher. i spent like 1 day explaining and confirming and then when it was time to book the person bailed.
same happened to me (hoping itís not the same person)
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: fabgourmet on June 09, 2019, 02:46:35 AM
This is a very slick plug for escrow.com 😁

Actually, to be honest, I didn't end up using them, arranged payment elsewhere! But no, I don't work for them and didn't intend to plug them...
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: israbear89 on June 18, 2019, 11:09:33 AM
Although that is definitely a general issue with newbies (myself included sometimes) that's not the same thing as being scammed.

Im not saying you cant vent about ppl who flake. And yes time is money. But I don't believe theres malicious intent in those cases when someone backs out.

And as for my unwarranted two cents I agree with the PSA. As we've seen time and time again (buying groups, swiping etc) people can be naively trusting. There's also a certain level of trust in the forum by association as it's attached to the main website and ppl trust Dan.

If there is no vetting then it goes the same way in terms of don't give what you cant afford to lose.



 
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: moko on September 06, 2019, 03:42:00 PM
As a general rule, when buying and selling on the forums, who covers the PayPal fees?
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: mmgfarb on September 06, 2019, 04:11:31 PM
As a general rule, when buying and selling on the forums, who covers the PayPal fees?
Whoever wants the other person to use G&S instead of F&F
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: mauiguy on September 16, 2019, 01:30:01 AM
As a general rule, when buying and selling on the forums, who covers the PayPal fees?

You can send $$ through PP without fees if its from your bank account and not CC.

Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: myi on September 25, 2019, 11:03:25 PM
You can send $$ through PP without fees if its from your bank account and not CC.
Correct but then you wouldn't be covered for a deal that went South.
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: CountValentine on September 25, 2019, 11:06:48 PM
As a general rule, when buying and selling on the forums, who covers the PayPal fees?
What fees? If the trade is for $100 it is for $100.
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: Pad18 on September 25, 2019, 11:21:22 PM
What fees? If the trade is for $100 it is for $100.

When you send money with pp as 'friends' and something goes wrong you don't have any options to dispute/ask for help from pp. And there is no charge by pp.
However when you send as 'pays for good' you could open a dispute and pp if you're right could reimburse you.
And they charge the a fee.

So he is asking who need to this fee, seller or buyer.
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: CountValentine on September 25, 2019, 11:24:38 PM
When you send money with pp as 'friends' and something goes wrong you don't have any options to dispute/ask for help from pp. And there is no charge by pp.
However when you send as 'pays for good' you could open a dispute and pp if you're right could reimburse you.
And they charge the a fee.

So he is asking who need to this fee, seller or buyer.
if you agree to buy something for $100 then you need to get $100 to the seller.
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: ckmk47 on September 25, 2019, 11:33:26 PM
if you agree to buy something for $100 then you need to get $100 to the seller.
But  the seller may be the one asking to be protected by PayPal - producing fees.
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: myi on September 25, 2019, 11:35:25 PM
if you agree to buy something for $100 then you need to get $100 to the seller.
So you can understand, I have an S9 and I sold it to Countvalentine and guess what I have such a good reputation here on DDF and I managed to succumb CV to buy my heap of junk, it's slow and crashes randomly, and is jail broken, a total price of garbage, now I repair it enough that it should last for 4 months and then bam.
    Or any example, my example is horrible but the concept is here.
  Should the sale go south what's to go back at? Come with a rifle and blow the guys brains out?
  Or if you spent an extra $10 for a $1000 Sale guess what your covered for x amount of time for your purchase.
 Like using your CC vs paying cash, and should you have problems, should you want to return an item and the owner says no returns even though the receipt says clearly we except all unopened items within 7 days of purchase, so now what can you do if the store owner is being an ***!! where to turn to?
  Oh I should have used my amex gold card and showed the guy who's boss, by filing a return protection claim or if in fact the item is defective , your money back from amex which will pull from the store.
   So we can call it an insurance on the item or product your looking to buy, or a simple case where im buying a ticket for a Blue Jays game for tomorrow night and guess what you sell me some fake peice of paper and now what ? It's a new DDF member and never going to see that guy again, but if you used PayPal then they can be your middle guy and talk to them as they have the money or can access the money.
 Same with using myi as the middle guy, now I'll charge you 2% for the deal for my time and patience and now when the other buyer says CV sold me a great product and received it intact, I can release the funds , and pocket the 2% for my time and work involved!
   
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: CountValentine on September 25, 2019, 11:42:19 PM
What kind of lowlifes are you all dealing with? If I buy 100k in GC's I pay the guy 100k. If I sell 100k in GC's I expect 100k. What is so hard to understand?
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: myi on September 25, 2019, 11:45:20 PM
What kind of lowlifes are you all dealing with? If I buy 100k in GC's I pay the guy 100k. If I sell 100k in GC's I expect 100k. What is so hard to understand?
Yes that's the sad part there's many lowlifes out there.
  But yes if I was selling to CV I wouldn't need the extra step and do business like a man $1 for $1 and $1.3B for $1.3B.
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: CountValentine on September 25, 2019, 11:48:26 PM
Yes that's the sad part there's many lowlifes out there.
  But yes if I was selling to CV I wouldn't need the extra step and do business like a man $1 for $1 and $1.3B for $1.3B.
True story. Sold 100 GC on a WA group. The guy wanted a reference.  >:(

Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: myi on September 25, 2019, 11:49:49 PM
True story. Sold 100 GC on a WA group. The guy wanted a reference.  >:(
Did you tell him who you are?
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: 12HRS on September 25, 2019, 11:49:58 PM
True story. Sold 100 GC on a WA group. The guy wanted a reference.  >:(

I don't blame him, you have a CHI area code.
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: myi on September 25, 2019, 11:51:03 PM
I don't blame him, you have a CHI area code.
I thought he's from Poland? I'm confused!?!
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: CountValentine on September 25, 2019, 11:52:04 PM
Did you tell him who you are?
That's why he wanted the reference.
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: CountValentine on September 25, 2019, 11:53:05 PM
I thought he's from Poland? I'm confused!?!
Then it is working.  :)
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: CountValentine on September 25, 2019, 11:54:03 PM
I don't blame him, you have a CHI area code.
I would be embarrassed to ask for a reference on $100.
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: 12HRS on September 26, 2019, 12:41:10 AM
I would be embarrassed to ask for a reference on $100.

In fairness you don't know the guys financial situation and what losing $100 could do to him.
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: Boruch Parnes on September 26, 2019, 03:41:30 AM
True story. Sold 100 GC on a WA group. The guy wanted a reference.  >:(
Gotta sell on DDF
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: moko on October 16, 2019, 10:15:26 AM
if you agree to buy something for $100 then you need to get $100 to the seller.
so when you buy groceries with a credit card you make sure the store gets the receives the final purchase price AFTER the cc fees? No. You assume it's included.because that's all they asked for. The question was whether a purchase on DDF should be viewed as a regular eBay/Amazon style purchase where the seller pays or not.
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: Boruch Parnes on November 30, 2019, 11:39:58 PM
Bought amazon GC from DDFer with less then 10 posts  he refunded PP because we have a similiar name wants linkedin profile or DDF refferal
Title: Re: PSA: Trading With New Members!
Post by: lovealaska on December 04, 2019, 04:12:06 PM
I just want to say thank you for those of you who have trusted me to sell things to me.  I have never sold anything here, so I don't have many posts, I have only bought things and only once was I burned. Everyone who I have dealt with has made the transactions very easy and I really appreciate that! I'm not a "Spring Chicken" and am not that technology savvy, so this group has been so kind to me.  So again, thank you for taking a chance on me, you guys are great!