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Title: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Abebee on December 10, 2019, 01:46:12 PM
Reports are its in a Frum Grocery store.


Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Abebee on December 10, 2019, 01:46:23 PM
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/active-shooter-situation-in-jersey-city-sources-say/2238983/
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Naftuli19 on December 10, 2019, 02:01:55 PM
https://m.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/25863
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: shapsam on December 10, 2019, 02:06:19 PM
Invalid Tweet ID
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: shapsam on December 10, 2019, 02:10:09 PM
Names for Tehilim are
חיים בן לאה was shot
משה צבי בן בתיה לאה is lost
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: AJK on December 10, 2019, 02:13:52 PM
Two jews got shot??
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: KSMH on December 10, 2019, 02:15:47 PM
Two jews got shot??

scanner feed- 1 guy down with a white shirt they said its a suspect but???
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Naftuli19 on December 10, 2019, 02:16:42 PM
Two jews got shot??
There is 1 guy shot and 1 still missing
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Naftuli19 on December 10, 2019, 02:22:44 PM
2 shooters down in the store
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Pad18 on December 10, 2019, 02:35:31 PM

Two jews got shot??

השם ישמור, שלא נדע
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: stooges44 on December 10, 2019, 02:45:59 PM
&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Abebee on December 10, 2019, 02:59:39 PM
scanner feed- 1 guy down with a white shirt they said its a suspect but???
Earlier it was reported that shooters were in black. Doesn't sound too good :(
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ah giten on December 10, 2019, 03:08:40 PM
Invalid Tweet ID
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: skyguy918 on December 10, 2019, 03:16:36 PM
From the scanners (see the live youtube someone posted upthread) sounds like they're just getting ready to move into the store now.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ADG on December 10, 2019, 03:20:20 PM
&feature=youtu.be

The shooters could be watching their news here...
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 10, 2019, 03:22:24 PM
The shooters could be watching their news here...
You mean a year old Google street view?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Pad18 on December 10, 2019, 03:28:20 PM
1 police officer is dead .. nothing yet on the civilian ..

RIP in peace, respect to the officer ho died on duty !
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: KSMH on December 10, 2019, 03:29:17 PM
You mean a year old Google street view?

Police radio was livestreaming direct response for a while to long IMHO.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: as2 on December 10, 2019, 03:29:36 PM
1 police officer is dead .. nothing yet on the civilian ..
It was mentioned several times that the civilian is going to be OK. Was there a second civilian? Was the source not credible?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Abebee on December 10, 2019, 03:30:55 PM
Just reported that they entered the store.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: KSMH on December 10, 2019, 03:34:06 PM
4 DOA in store
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Abebee on December 10, 2019, 03:34:29 PM
Just reported that they entered the store.
4 DOA :(
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: gingyguy on December 10, 2019, 03:35:20 PM
Awful.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: KSMH on December 10, 2019, 03:36:08 PM
4 DOA in store

That's per scanner feed.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: KSMH on December 10, 2019, 03:37:00 PM
There is a jewish school next door with 40 kids they pulled 2 bystanders, not sure if injured.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: KSMH on December 10, 2019, 03:38:57 PM
There is a jewish school next door with 40 kids they pulled 2 bystanders, not sure if injured.

didn't get it clear from scanner feed. they said "pulled 2 from jewish school bystanders"  could not understand if injured. But from all chatter it sounds like there are bystanders D.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Naftuli19 on December 10, 2019, 03:40:07 PM
5 DOA
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Abebee on December 10, 2019, 03:40:32 PM
4 DOA :(
Now reporting 5 Dead.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: KSMH on December 10, 2019, 03:42:51 PM
Now reporting 5 Dead.

U heard it on scanner feed? I heard 4.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Abebee on December 10, 2019, 03:44:56 PM
U heard it on scanner feed? I heard 4.
Yeah, first they said 4 and then came back on and said 5 DOA.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: KSMH on December 10, 2019, 03:51:01 PM
They are asking someone Schwartz to move his vehicle. Calling.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Abebee on December 10, 2019, 03:53:33 PM
BDE: Reports of fatality of Jewish women in the jersey city kosher grocery massacre.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: KSMH on December 10, 2019, 04:01:15 PM
They are now reporting a pipe bomb! 
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: gingyguy on December 10, 2019, 04:01:44 PM
BDE: Reports of fatality of Jewish women in the jersey city kosher grocery massacre.
R"L
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 10, 2019, 04:13:03 PM
6 dead.
1 officer at cemetery, 5 inside the store.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Dan on December 10, 2019, 04:14:29 PM
6 dead.
BDE/RIP  :'(
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Abebee on December 10, 2019, 04:15:51 PM
6 dead.
1 officer at cemetery, 5 inside the store.
Inside store: 2 suspects and 3 civilians.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ah giten on December 10, 2019, 04:17:35 PM
Inside store: 2 suspects and 3 civilians.
1 man and 2 woman. Civilians are Yidden, RL.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: KSMH on December 10, 2019, 04:19:30 PM
Inside store: 2 suspects and 3 civilians.

Looks like the three civilians are Jewish R"L

If you listen to the Whats App clips on YWN it sounds like the three that were there originally never made it out, and the single guy that fought off the shooters made it out. 

A person can fight a rifle at close range.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Luvisrael on December 10, 2019, 04:32:14 PM
Heard 5 yidden have been killed plus a police officer
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Abebee on December 10, 2019, 04:33:52 PM
Heard 5 yidden have been killed plus a police officer
Source?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Luvisrael on December 10, 2019, 04:35:11 PM
Source?
whatsapp group with names and ages
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ah giten on December 10, 2019, 04:38:43 PM
whatsapp group with names and ages
does that mean the suspects fled?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Abebee on December 10, 2019, 04:39:52 PM
does that mean the suspects fled?
From listening to the scanner it seems highly unlikely.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Luvisrael on December 10, 2019, 04:40:46 PM
Heard 5 yidden have been killed plus a police officer
very vague and just rumors at this point. I hope and Daven its not true
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ah giten on December 10, 2019, 04:41:01 PM
From listening to the scanner it seems highly unlikely.
yeah.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Naftuli19 on December 10, 2019, 04:50:08 PM
whatsapp group with names and ages
People dont stop spreading rumors, no way to know forsure yet
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Abebee on December 10, 2019, 04:54:04 PM
Press conference 5 o'clock.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Iz on December 10, 2019, 04:59:48 PM
Press conference 5 o'clock.
Available online?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Abebee on December 10, 2019, 05:00:48 PM
Available online?

He's working on audio for the conference.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Abebee on December 10, 2019, 05:22:10 PM
Available online?
Live now
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: yuds70 on December 10, 2019, 05:38:47 PM
Did anyone else hear the owner of the store wasn't on premises because he went to daven Mincha?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: etech0 on December 10, 2019, 05:47:31 PM
Did anyone else hear the owner of the store wasn't on premises because he went to daven Mincha?
We all did now...
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ilherman on December 10, 2019, 08:24:05 PM
How come still not confirmed who were the killed?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Luvisrael on December 10, 2019, 08:48:00 PM
Did anyone else hear the owner of the store wasn't on premises because he went to daven Mincha?
https://matzav.com/jersey-city-shooting-update-multiple-people-killed-including-officer/
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: TimT on December 10, 2019, 09:05:24 PM
How come still not confirmed who were the killed?
Nobody is allowed in until the FBI is done their investigation.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Luvisrael on December 10, 2019, 09:07:30 PM
So terrorism was ruled out? Thats kind of comforting.

Btw NJ has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the nation. Just sayin...
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 10, 2019, 09:27:29 PM
Btw NJ has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the nation. Just sayin...
I am sure the suspects were law abiding citizens that obeyed our laws. Just sayin...  ::)
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: YitzyS on December 10, 2019, 09:31:53 PM
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 10, 2019, 09:42:29 PM

This makes no sense.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: KSMH on December 10, 2019, 09:45:04 PM
This makes no sense.

What part of it?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: gingyguy on December 10, 2019, 09:49:41 PM
This makes no sense.
Not even a possibility?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 10, 2019, 09:50:20 PM
What part of it?
The first report was drug bust gone bad and from there they ran into the store. Don't make sense they targeted the store or am I reading it wrong?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: cgr on December 10, 2019, 09:51:59 PM
The first report was drug bust gone bad and from there they ran into the store. Don't make sense they targeted the store or am I reading it wrong?
True, but who brings a pipe bomb to a drug deal?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: gingyguy on December 10, 2019, 09:52:06 PM
The first report was drug bust gone bad and from there they ran into the store. Don't make sense they targeted the store or am I reading it wrong?
I dont know either way , but as someone who follows MSNBC you should know that first reports are often far from the truth ;D
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 10, 2019, 09:52:54 PM
Not even a possibility?
I dont know either way , but as someone who follows MSNBC you should k ow that first reports are often far from the truth ;D
Please troll in another thread but not this one.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: TimT on December 10, 2019, 09:53:14 PM
The first report was drug bust gone bad and from there they ran into the store. Don't make sense they targeted the store or am I reading it wrong?
First report was wrong
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 10, 2019, 09:54:28 PM
First report was wrong
Now that makes sense. Where was the officer killed?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Dan on December 10, 2019, 09:54:41 PM
The first report was drug bust gone bad and from there they ran into the store. Don't make sense they targeted the store or am I reading it wrong?

Yup, they happened to run into a store.
A mile away  ::)

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Bay+View+Cemetery,+321+Garfield+Ave,+Jersey+City,+NJ+07305/223+Martin+Luther+King+Dr,+Jersey+City,+NJ+07305/@40.7014892,-74.0957023,2355m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x89c25104422e60af:0x35731cd3a5a931e6!2m2!1d-74.0874195!2d40.6959244!1m5!1m1!1s0x89c25119259744b1:0xe63cc5f95238b4cf!2m2!1d-74.0837047!2d40.7070672!3e0
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 10, 2019, 09:56:56 PM
Yup, they happened to run into a store.
A mile away  ::)
You have to go somewhere when they are after you, no?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: gingyguy on December 10, 2019, 09:57:51 PM
Please troll in another thread but not this one.
not trying to troll . first reports are usually fluid for a while until more information comes in
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 10, 2019, 09:59:18 PM
not trying to troll . first reports are usually fluid for a while until more information comes in
Not even a possibility?
...and I guess this wasn't a bait post.  ::)
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: gingyguy on December 10, 2019, 09:59:54 PM
Yup, they happened to run into a store.
A mile away  ::)

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Bay+View+Cemetery,+321+Garfield+Ave,+Jersey+City,+NJ+07305/223+Martin+Luther+King+Dr,+Jersey+City,+NJ+07305/@40.7014892,-74.0957023,2355m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x89c25104422e60af:0x35731cd3a5a931e6!2m2!1d-74.0874195!2d40.6959244!1m5!1m1!1s0x89c25119259744b1:0xe63cc5f95238b4cf!2m2!1d-74.0837047!2d40.7070672!3e0
they were originally saying there was a chase that ended up there
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CS1 on December 10, 2019, 10:01:00 PM
You have to go somewhere when they are after you, no?

seems that a cop stopped their vehicle when they recognized the plates from a Bayonne incident?

They got out with guns, and then ran into the store? It is the long black raincoats and long rifles that are unusual here. The shots sounded like .22 ammunition (with pellets). 
This would mean that they had a plan.... They weren't just driving with this may hours worth of ammunition.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: gingyguy on December 10, 2019, 10:01:12 PM
...and I guess this wasn't a bait post.  ::)
Nope.I was wondering why you were so sure it cant be true.  Friends?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: TimT on December 10, 2019, 10:02:32 PM
Now that makes sense. Where was the officer killed?
It started with Detective Joseph Seals approaching a vehicle near the Bayview Cemetery on Garfield Avenue that was reportedly linked to a homicide in Bayonne on Saturday night.
A suspect exited the vehicle and fatally shot Seals before driving away.
Authorities chased the vehicle about a mile through the streets of Jersey City, ending at JC Kosher Supermarket at 223 Martin Luther King Drive.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: cgr on December 10, 2019, 10:04:11 PM
Here's a theory (not my own):
...theory is that they were on the way to this attack and the cop stopped them and paid with his life. That cop's focus was getting weapons off the street. Not confirmed it was a drug deal...
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: gingyguy on December 10, 2019, 10:06:24 PM
Here's a theory (not my own):
...theory is that they were on the way to this attack and the cop stopped them and paid with his life. That cop's focus was getting weapons off the street. Not confirmed it was a drug deal...
Quote
As part of the Jersey City Police Departments Cease Fire Unit, the 40-year-old Seals had helped to confiscate dozens of guns from criminals

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https://nj1015.com/jersey-city-cop-killed-this-will-stay-with-officers-for-rest-of-their-lives
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: gingyguy on December 10, 2019, 10:10:02 PM
As per TLS . Misaskim confirmed 2 Victims, from inside store were Yidden
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ah giten on December 10, 2019, 10:18:05 PM
NYT
"Investigators initially believed that the store was chosen randomly and that the incident was not a hate crime. There was no indication of terrorism, said Jersey Citys director of public safety, James Shea, at a news conference.

But by late Tuesday, the citys mayor, Steven Fulop, said on Twitter that officials now believed that the gunmen had targeted the location they attacked. He did not provide further explanation or provide any indication that the attack was related to anti-Semitism."

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/10/nyregion/jersey-city-shooter.html
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: KSMH on December 10, 2019, 10:21:07 PM
As per TLS . Misaskim confirmed 2 Victims, from inside store were Yidden

Would not be surprised if its 3, there are 3 names circulating on WA messages from guy that was in the  store said "1 lady and 2 men" he included their names their names were on WA.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: zevi on December 10, 2019, 10:23:31 PM
Any update on the reports of a missing teenager from the scene. 
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: gingyguy on December 10, 2019, 10:24:59 PM
Would not be surprised if its 3, there are 3 names circulating on WA messages from guy that was in the  store said "1 lady and 2 men" he included their names their names were on WA.
Funny , because I heard 2 ladies And 1 man
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CS1 on December 10, 2019, 10:26:53 PM
Funny , because I heard 2 ladies And 1 man

others may have been shot, however some went to the hospital and may be alive.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: stooges44 on December 10, 2019, 10:28:42 PM
NYT
"Investigators initially believed that the store was chosen randomly and that the incident was not a hate crime. There was no indication of terrorism, said Jersey Citys director of public safety, James Shea, at a news conference.

But by late Tuesday, the citys mayor, Steven Fulop, said on Twitter that officials now believed that the gunmen had targeted the location they attacked. He did not provide further explanation or provide any indication that the attack was related to anti-Semitism."

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/10/nyregion/jersey-city-shooter.html

Most comprehensive article I've seen so far, all the Jewish sites are a far cry
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: KSMH on December 10, 2019, 10:32:24 PM
Most comprehensive article I've seen so far, all the Jewish sites are a far cry
They use the same source, a tweet, use ur ..... to figure the blanks, do u trust or think you need the NYT to fill it in?

Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Boruch Parnes on December 10, 2019, 10:35:46 PM
Confirmed 24 year old bochur and 33 year old wife BDE BT
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Marko Rubio on December 10, 2019, 10:36:17 PM
They say now there is only 2 Jewish victims
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: stooges44 on December 10, 2019, 10:37:55 PM
They use the same source, a tweet, use ur ..... to figure the blanks, do u trust or think you need the NYT to fill it in?

The NYT uses the source, the Jewish sites then copy the NYT but dumb it down to make it sound like the...Jewish sites.

But yes, it's nice to see a well rounded piece instead of random bits and pieces surrounded by a billion ads.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: KSMH on December 10, 2019, 10:48:40 PM
Most comprehensive article I've seen so far, all the Jewish sites are a far cry
The NYT uses the source, the Jewish sites then copy the NYT but dumb it down to make it sound like the...Jewish sites.

But yes, it's nice to see a well rounded piece instead of random bits and pieces surrounded by a billion ads.
You'll have to read the quote. I see nothing that was not said at a press conference or a tweet, so why can Jewish news sites report just as accurate?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: KSMH on December 10, 2019, 10:49:50 PM
I read on YWN 2 as identified. Pic of 1
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Yehuda57 on December 10, 2019, 10:51:22 PM
Unbelievably idiotic tweet. Now we're all frieking out without any info. Either come out with a full statement that details what you know or say nothing.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ilherman on December 10, 2019, 10:52:38 PM
Would not be surprised if its 3, there are 3 names circulating on WA messages from guy that was in the  store said "1 lady and 2 men" he included their names their names were on WA.
The second man who was with the 24 year old who was nebech killed ran out and was shot in the hand but is stable bh
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ilherman on December 10, 2019, 11:03:17 PM
I am sure the suspects were law abiding citizens that obeyed our laws. Just sayin...  ::)
That's the point. Isn't it?

The bad people will always get their hand on weapons. EVEN in NJ with strict gun laws.

Might as well allow people protect themselves from being slaughtered.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 10, 2019, 11:10:02 PM
That's the point. Isn't it?

The bad people will always get their hand on weapons. EVEN in NJ with strict gun laws.

Might as well allow people protect themselves from being slaughtered.
I feel like asking if you are ignorant, stupid or both. State restrictions don't work when they can just buy in another state, black market and get stolen guns from idiots who believe everyone should have a gun. Some of the worst mass shooting have happened in states with lax gun laws. So your nonsense doesn't work.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: TimT on December 10, 2019, 11:11:11 PM
Leah Mindel Ferentz - 33 HYD
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Dan on December 10, 2019, 11:15:31 PM
Leah Mindel Ferentz - 33 HYD
BD"E. So tragic.
Was she in the shop before or did she go in so that her husband could go to Mincha?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Dan on December 10, 2019, 11:16:22 PM
Let's keep the gun control debates in their existing threads please.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: KSMH on December 10, 2019, 11:16:52 PM
BD"E. So tragic.
Was she in the shop before or did she go in so that her husband could go to Mincha?
Sounds like husband and wife usually work in the store, possibly switch off ETC.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Pad18 on December 10, 2019, 11:18:21 PM
השם יקום דמם !
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Dan on December 10, 2019, 11:20:41 PM
Sounds like husband and wife usually work in the store, possibly switch off ETC.
Not sure how I could live with myself or Gd if ch"v I was in that situation and it was a switch-off for mincha  :'( :'(
And if it wasn't a switch-off, to think that you were only saved by Mincha. Or think maybe you could have saved her had you not gone to Mincha?

Just awful either way. He should find the strength to continue to be a good yid and overcome this tragedy.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ah giten on December 10, 2019, 11:21:54 PM
Sounds like husband and wife usually work in the store, possibly switch off ETC.
she is the cashier. she's there daily.
(from a person who uses this store regularly)
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: TimT on December 10, 2019, 11:24:04 PM
Not sure how I could live with myself or Gd in I was in that situation if it was a switch-off for mincha  :'( :'(
Just awful. He should find the strength to continue to be a good yid and overcome this tragedy.
:'( מי יחיה ומי ימות
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ah giten on December 10, 2019, 11:25:09 PM
Not sure how I could live with myself or Gd in I was in that situation if it was a switch-off for mincha  :'( :'(
And if it wasn't a switch-off, to think that you were only saved by Mincha. Or think maybe you could have saved her had you not gone to Mincha?

Just awful. He should find the strength to continue to be a good yid and overcome this tragedy.
I'm not suere the husband is usually in the store this time...
I didn't hear that he went for mincha anywhere, besides here. and btw it was quite early for mincha...
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: zale on December 10, 2019, 11:26:22 PM
Unbelievably idiotic tweet. Now we're all frieking out without any info. Either come out with a full statement that details what you know or say nothing.

+1000

Extremely idiotic.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Dan on December 10, 2019, 11:26:48 PM
I'm not suere the husband is usually in the store this time...
I didn't hear that he went for mincha anywhere, besides here. and btw it was quite early for mincha...
From NYT,

"Moishe Ferencz, the owner of the market, JC Kosher Supermarket, had just left his store to take a quick break at a nearby synagogue, according to his mother, Victoria Ferencz. After a couple minutes, shots rang out. The synagogue was put on lockdown, and Mr. Ferenczs thoughts turned to his wife, Mindy.

She had been left tending the market."
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ah giten on December 10, 2019, 11:31:33 PM
From NYT,

"Moishe Ferencz, the owner of the market, JC Kosher Supermarket, had just left his store to take a quick break at a nearby synagogue, according to his mother, Victoria Ferencz. After a couple minutes, shots rang out. The synagogue was put on lockdown, and Mr. Ferenczs thoughts turned to his wife, Mindy.

She had been left tending the market."
the shul is next door. and its a Satmar shul. (so ppl are still there form Shachris...)
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Dan on December 10, 2019, 11:34:53 PM
the shul is next door. and its a Satmar shul. (so ppl are still there form Shachris...)
Sounds like he was locked inside there. Can't even imagine...
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ah giten on December 10, 2019, 11:35:14 PM
the shul is next door. and its a Satmar shul. (so ppl are still there form Shachris...)
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ah giten on December 10, 2019, 11:36:05 PM
Sounds like he was locked inside there. Can't even imagine...
and the 40 kids above? that only said tehilim while hearing those gunshots? Horrifying.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Dan on December 10, 2019, 11:40:15 PM
and the 40 kids above? that only said tehilim while hearing those gunshots? Horrifying.
Obviously horrible, but it's very different than knowing your wife is in the store with active shooters and that you're completely helpless.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ShmuliT on December 10, 2019, 11:48:31 PM
Any word on the identity of the 3rd victim?
Only 2 names were released.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: yitzgar on December 10, 2019, 11:51:58 PM
Why no names of suspects yet?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: chff on December 11, 2019, 12:11:21 AM
I'm not suere the husband is usually in the store this time...
I didn't hear that he went for mincha anywhere, besides here. and btw it was quite early for mincha...
Per one of the Hatzloh guys there was a l'chaim in shul for the "Bas Eiyan's Yurzeit"
http://www.yiddish24.com/share/Y2F0ZWdvcnlJRD0xL3N1YkNhdGVnb3J5SUQ9MTIvaXRlbUlEPTEwNTI0
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: KSMH on December 11, 2019, 12:12:10 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/B5608hEnxoM/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link



so sad
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: chff on December 11, 2019, 12:12:28 AM
the shul is next door. and its a Satmar shul. (so ppl are still there form Shachris...)
Satmar people but not branded as "Satmar"
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: chff on December 11, 2019, 12:15:21 AM
I don't have this first hand but the first I see with a normal sounding report

Also see the hamodia
https://hamodia.com/2019/12/10/first-hand-report-gunfire-jersey-city/
https://hamodia.com/2019/12/10/active-shooter-jersey-city/
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Jellybelly on December 11, 2019, 12:19:50 AM
Why no names of suspects yet?
Probably still investigating if they have ties to any Terrorist group or if other people are involved
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: deltastubs on December 11, 2019, 12:30:08 AM
Weren't there 5 Jewish names going around confirmed dead...?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Dan on December 11, 2019, 12:35:39 AM
Weren't there 5 Jewish names going around confirmed dead...?
Don't rely on Jewish whatsapp to be accurate.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: deltastubs on December 11, 2019, 12:37:21 AM
Don't rely on Jewish whatsapp to be accurate.
I'll go with you on that, the less the better!
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: KSMH on December 11, 2019, 12:39:54 AM
I don't have this first hand but the first I see with a normal sounding report

Also see the hamodia
https://hamodia.com/2019/12/10/first-hand-report-gunfire-jersey-city/
https://hamodia.com/2019/12/10/active-shooter-jersey-city/

Would not be surprised if its 3, there are 3 names circulating on WA messages from guy that was in the  store said "1 lady and 2 men" he included their names their names were on WA.

Looks like the three civilians are Jewish R"L

If you listen to the Whats App clips on YWN it sounds like the three that were there originally never made it out, and the single guy that fought off the shooters made it out. 

A person can fight a rifle at close range.

Sounds like first report was accurate. 1st guy fought off the shooter, second guy also managed to escape but got shot in the process. 1st guy never saw second guy escape so he thought 3 jews were stuck inside, reports on police chatter of 5 ppl dead inside seemed to indicate 3 civilians dead which corroborated reports of person 1, that 3 jews inside. Now we know the  the 3rd dead is not the same 3rd guy person 1 thought was still inside.

Don't rely on Jewish whatsapp to be accurate.

WA recording was accurate, the other WA info, not so much. Police scanner is accurate as well, still not sure why they don't upgrade their system. It gets to a point where it just begs.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: KSMH on December 11, 2019, 01:24:51 AM
https://youtu.be/44dMZmho1Gs
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: KSMH on December 11, 2019, 01:40:21 AM
https://youtu.be/44dMZmho1Gs
If you have the time, listen to it. It provides Insight, alot of insight.
I listened to parts of it.

1.Police had reports of shots at cemetary

2. There was no chase of Uhal truck. They had the plate #.

3. They got shots of shots at store only later.

4. Scanner feed indicates officer that was shot was found - no other officers were with him.

This is per scanner feed.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Yard sale on December 11, 2019, 01:43:36 AM
Don't rely on Jewish whatsapp to be accurate.
One of the Jewish news sites published a name that was completely inaccurate and since deleted it. Pathetic that everyone had to be first to get the scoop at all cost....
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: KSMH on December 11, 2019, 01:48:07 AM
Is it possible first officer inadvertently averted a worse major planned attack?

Just speculating. T
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: chff on December 11, 2019, 07:57:05 AM
Aftermath
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 11, 2019, 08:04:25 AM
Any reports on who shot the innocent victims?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: TimT on December 11, 2019, 08:04:45 AM
Is it possible first officer inadvertently averted a worse major planned attack?
Its starting to appear so. There was enough ammo in that van to carry out something on a much larger scale.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: TimT on December 11, 2019, 08:06:48 AM
Any reports on who shot the innocent victims?
According to reports from a survivor the gunmen came in shooting, but the ME hasnt released any info yet.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 11, 2019, 08:09:28 AM
According to reports from a survivor the gunmen came in shooting, but the ME hasnt released any info yet.
This keeps getting more insane.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Yehuda57 on December 11, 2019, 08:10:08 AM

Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: coffeebean on December 11, 2019, 08:14:03 AM


Hashem Yishmar
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Moshe123 on December 11, 2019, 08:59:35 AM
NY Times:

Suspect Published Anti-Semitic and Anti-Police Posts, Official Says
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: whYME on December 11, 2019, 09:08:21 AM
So when do we start applying Coulter's Law?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 11, 2019, 09:12:03 AM
So when do we start applying Coulter's Law?
It hasn't started?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ilherman on December 11, 2019, 09:43:55 AM
The only confusing part is whether or not they intended to go harm Jews either way and the police officer killing was just a plus for them, or only after they got caught up in a shooting spree with the police, they continued to find jewish targets.

Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ShlockDoc on December 11, 2019, 09:56:58 AM
David Anderson and Francine Graham are the shooters.  Black Israelites, not muslims.

Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: dealfinder11 on December 11, 2019, 09:58:30 AM
population of Jersey City: 270,753 (2017)

jewish families in Jersey city: approx. 100.

Sparsely found even the word kosher in most news article i read yesterday.

And you wonder why the media has lost it's credibility?



Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Abebee on December 11, 2019, 10:03:26 AM
"We could see the van moving through Jersey City streets slowly. The perpetrator stopped in front of there, calmly opened the door with two long rifles -- him and the other perpetrator -- and began firing from the street into the facility," Fulop said.

Shea said: "We now know this did not begin with gunfire between police officers and the perpetrators and then moved to the store. It began with an attack on the civilians in the store."

"That was their target and they intended to harm people inside there," Shea said.
-CNN
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: KSMH on December 11, 2019, 10:16:10 AM
The only confusing part is whether or not they intended to go harm Jews either way and the police officer killing was just a plus for them, or only after they got caught up in a shooting spree with the police, they continued to find jewish targets.
Not that confusing, targeted.

Still not sure what police thought in the first place, it wasn't targeted? Listen to scanner feed. There was no chase, they went and targeted jews.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: yuneeq on December 11, 2019, 10:23:56 AM
Not that confusing, targeted.

Still not sure what police thought in the first place, it wasn't targeted? Listen to scanner feed. There was no chase, they went and targeted jews.

The confusing part is why was the cop Joseph Seals killed a mile away before the killing spree?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 11, 2019, 10:34:11 AM
Not that confusing, targeted.
Why, because they were Jews?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Dan on December 11, 2019, 10:41:00 AM
The confusing part is why was the cop Joseph Seals killed a mile away before the killing spree?


Why, because they were Jews?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/11/nyregion/jersey-city-shooting.html

"An assailant involved in a prolonged firefight in Jersey City, N.J., that left six people dead, including one police officer, had published anti-Semitic and anti-police posts online and investigators believe the attack was motivated by those sentiments, a law enforcement official familiar with the case said on Wednesday.

Investigators also found a manifesto-style note inside the assailants van, the law enforcement official and another official familiar with the case said.

The document, which was described as brief and rambling, suggested no clear motive for the shooting. Investigators also found a live pipe bomb inside the vehicle, the law enforcement official said."
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: KSMH on December 11, 2019, 10:43:04 AM
Why, because they were Jews?
Yeah.
Listen to the scanner feed, and to the first WA recordings [not online anymore], they clearly indicate ppl were targeted on specific grounds.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 11, 2019, 10:43:50 AM
For the most part we are extremely lucky these (insert your own word) are idiots. If not we would have a lot more victims in these situations.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: skyguy918 on December 11, 2019, 10:48:58 AM
For the most part we are extremely lucky these (insert your own word) are idiots. If not we would have a lot more victims in these situations.
Mostly because the shul/yeshiva was right next door.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 11, 2019, 10:50:30 AM
Mostly because the shul/yeshiva was right next door.
...and a Catholic school across the street.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Yehuda57 on December 11, 2019, 10:52:11 AM
Why, because they were Jews?
As it's been for millenia.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: skyguy918 on December 11, 2019, 10:57:16 AM
...and a Catholic school across the street.
::) Yes, but it appears they were targeting Jews. Not going to find too many of them in the Catholic school.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ilherman on December 11, 2019, 10:59:03 AM
The confusing part is why was the cop Joseph Seals killed a mile away before the killing spree?
Yup.

If they just hated police and wanted to kill police they could've just kill the two police officer who were standing on patrol just a block away and then continue running in to the supermarket.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 11, 2019, 11:00:32 AM
::) Yes, but it appears they were targeting Jews. Not going to find too many of them in the Catholic school.
More than you would think. I have Jewish cousins that went to Catholic schools but that is not the point. We don't know their motive yet.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Dan on December 11, 2019, 11:10:02 AM
We don't know their motive yet.
Huh?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Dan on December 11, 2019, 11:10:52 AM
Yup.

If they just hated police and wanted to kill police they could've just kill the two police officer who were standing on patrol just a block away and then continue running in to the supermarket.
I'd imagine the cop broke up larger plans, why else would they have a bomb?
After they killed him they had to act quickly to salvage their anti-semitic plans.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 11, 2019, 11:13:52 AM
Huh?
If you know their motive then spell it out. Were they just out to kill any Jew they could? Were they targeting the store because of a past dispute? Was their some sort of relationship between the owners and them? Please enlighten me as the story keeps changing.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: LNS on December 11, 2019, 11:15:48 AM
I'd imagine the cop broke up larger plans, why else would they have a bomb?
After they killed him they had to act quickly to salvage their anti-semitic plans.

I agree with that.. seems like the cop was just a bump in the road so to speak ..its possible that if he wouldn't have approached them they wouldn't target him they would just go straight for grocery/shul/cheder and follow thru with whatever their original plan was.
I'm assuming that because there where officers near the location by the time they wanted to exit the store to continue there spree the cops where already there shooting at them so they couldn't exit.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ilherman on December 11, 2019, 11:19:49 AM
I'd imagine the cop broke up larger plans, why else would they have a bomb?
After they killed him they had to act quickly to salvage their anti-semitic plans.
This theory works with what law enforcement is saying now that they know for certain that this could have been far worse.

The bomb points to something scary. The fact that the police officer went on offense a mile away sounds like there's more to the story and that the police knew about something cooking up.

And here is where it gets confusing again, how does this work with the reports that the officer a mile away just went there about a separate criminal matter? (drug or previous homicide)
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: LNS on December 11, 2019, 11:20:30 AM
If you know their motive then spell it out. Were they just out to kill any Jew they could? Were they targeting the store because of a past dispute? Was their some sort of relationship between the owners and them? Please enlighten me as the story keeps changing.

they had a religious writings in there van, posted anti-semtic things online,  they identified as black Hebrew israelites and where loaded with ammo and bombs
hmm they must have been upset because they didn't correct change last time they grabbed a sandwich

Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: LNS on December 11, 2019, 11:22:02 AM
This theory works with what law enforcement is saying now that they know for certain that this could have been far worse.

The bomb points to something scary. The fact that the police officer went on offence a mile away sounds like there's more to the story and that the police knew about something cocking up.

And here is where it gets confusing again, how does this work with the reports that the officer a mile away just went there about a separate criminal matter? (drug or previous homicide)

if they knew something was cooking why would they send only one officer with no back up to try and stop them?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Dan on December 11, 2019, 11:22:26 AM
If you know their motive then spell it out. Were they just out to kill any Jew they could? Were they targeting the store because of a past dispute? Was their some sort of relationship between the owners and them? Please enlighten me as the story keeps changing.
Anti-Semitism is a motive. The area is densely populated with Jews between the school, synagogue, and grocery store and they clearly scouted out the area beforehand.
Bigger plans including a bomb were jettisoned after they murdered the cop. They continued to the area and went for the softest target, the kosher grocery without locked doors.

Odds of a prior dispute are close to nil IMHO.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Dan on December 11, 2019, 11:23:32 AM
This theory works with what law enforcement is saying now that they know for certain that this could have been far worse.

The bomb points to something scary. The fact that the police officer went on offense a mile away sounds like there's more to the story and that the police knew about something cooking up.

And here is where it gets confusing again, how does this work with the reports that the officer a mile away just went there about a separate criminal matter? (drug or previous homicide)

The plates were a hit. Luckily the criminals were dumb.

if they need something was cooking why would they send only one officer with no back up to try and stop them?

+1
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 11, 2019, 11:24:55 AM
Anti-Semitism is a motive. The area is densely populated with Jews between the school, synagogue, and grocery store and they clearly scouted out the area beforehand.
Bigger plans including a bomb were jettisoned after they murdered the cop. They continued to the area and went for the softest target, the kosher grocery without locked doors.

Odds of a prior dispute are close to nil IMHO.
Thank you for your take on it. Odds are good the full story will come out (what their master plan was).
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ilherman on December 11, 2019, 11:25:33 AM
So what do you think. What did the police officer try to accomplish over there?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Abebee on December 11, 2019, 11:27:49 AM
So what do you think. What did the police officer try to accomplish over there?
Flagged plates most probably = Traffic stop?!
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: LNS on December 11, 2019, 11:29:24 AM
So what do you think. What did the police officer try to accomplish over there?

I think he had no idea what their plans where he just spotted the license plate or some other suspicious activity
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: LNS on December 11, 2019, 11:30:58 AM
NEW YORK: Mayor de Blasio: Shooting at Jewish supermarket was a premeditated, violent, anti-semitic, hate crime... you can say it was an act of terror.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Joel on December 11, 2019, 11:44:29 AM
Anti-Semitism is a motive. The area is densely populated with Jews between the school, synagogue, and grocery store and they clearly scouted out the area beforehand.
Bigger plans including a bomb were jettisoned after they murdered the cop. They continued to the area and went for the softest target, the kosher grocery without locked doors.

Odds of a prior dispute are close to nil IMHO.
IIRC the Shul next door is locked while the store isn't. makes your point stronger why the shooters didn't target the shul.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Dawie on December 11, 2019, 11:44:47 AM
Thank you for your take on it. Odds are good the full story will come out (what their master plan was).
Like the Las Vegas Massacre?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 11, 2019, 11:45:42 AM
Like the Las Vegas Massacre?
This is way different. It seems they already have a ton of info on these guys.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Dan on December 11, 2019, 11:51:18 AM
IIRC the Shul next door is locked while the store isn't. makes your point stronger why the shooters didn't target the shul.
That was my assumption.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: KSMH on December 11, 2019, 11:57:13 AM
Is it possible first officer inadvertently averted a worse major planned attack?

Just speculating. T
Again, if you take all the facts before the investigation is over, there is a puzzle.

Officer shot was on foot in a cemetery looking for bad guys, he was tasked with taking bad guys off the street, probably identified a possible suspected and before he had a chance to do anything he was shot, hence the reason why he never even called for backup. Once the perps realized their cover has blown cop they had no choice but to shoot, once they're cover was blown they had to take action and execute their plan.

All speculation but makes sense based on the facts.

See pic of in store, seems like a ring camera? ring shares your info with police, officially only with permission, police could've and most likely got this footage instantly following or during the attack. Those cameras are clear and can give to understand why police believe after reviewing the footage that the attack was targeted.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: LNS on December 11, 2019, 12:06:48 PM
JERSEY CITY: Miguel Jason Rodriguez IDd as third victim horrifically gunned down at the Kosher Supermarket. He was working at the store for a year.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 11, 2019, 12:08:59 PM
A little about the officer.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/police-officer-killed-in-jersey-city-shooting-was-a-15-year-veteran-and-father-of-five/ar-AAK04Bd?ocid=spartandhp
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: yuneeq on December 11, 2019, 12:16:04 PM
A little about the officer.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/police-officer-killed-in-jersey-city-shooting-was-a-15-year-veteran-and-father-of-five/ar-AAK04Bd?ocid=spartandhp

He was an accomplished cop and a really sad loss.

Also want to point out that the article mentions that they don't know why the Seals was at the cemetery, which means it wasn't a sting. Also means Seals was likely following a hunch or suspicious vehicle he found and unfortunately his hunch was right.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 11, 2019, 12:22:33 PM
Also want to point out that the article mentions that they don't know why the Seals was at the cemetery, which means it wasn't a sting. Also means Seals was likely following a hunch or suspicious vehicle he found and unfortunately his hunch was right.
A sting operation would have backup.
Were these guys actually driving around in the cemetery?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: KSMH on December 11, 2019, 12:26:19 PM
A sting operation would have backup.
Were these guys actually driving around in the cemetery?
Criminals tend to hang out in places they think they wont get caught.

He was an accomplished cop and a really sad loss.

Also want to point out that the article mentions that they don't know why the Seals was at the cemetery, which means it wasn't a sting. Also means Seals was likely following a hunch or suspicious vehicle he found and unfortunately his hunch was right.
Again, if you take all the facts before the investigation is over, there is a puzzle.

Officer shot was on foot in a cemetery looking for bad guys, he was tasked with taking bad guys off the street, probably identified a possible suspected and before he had a chance to do anything he was shot, hence the reason why he never even called for backup. Once the perps realized their cover has blown cop they had no choice but to shoot, once they're cover was blown they had to take action and execute their plan.

All speculation but makes sense based on the facts.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Dawie on December 11, 2019, 12:26:25 PM
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: LNS on December 11, 2019, 12:27:30 PM
A sting operation would have backup.
Were these guys actually driving around in the cemetery?

on a rainy afternoon its a great place to not be noticed
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: chinagel on December 11, 2019, 12:28:17 PM

All the idiots politicizing it don't help too much.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: TimT on December 11, 2019, 12:34:37 PM
All the idiots politicizing it don't help too much.
Its been ignored for far too long. The daily black on Jew attacks have got to be dealt with.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 11, 2019, 12:35:20 PM
Criminals tend to hang out in places they think they wont get caught.
on a rainy afternoon its a great place to not be noticed
So you think this was a staging point?
I don't know a lot of criminals but none of them hangout in the cemetery.  ;)
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: KSMH on December 11, 2019, 12:36:40 PM
All the idiots politicizing it don't help too much.
whats he politicizing this time?  fact are facts


Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: stooges44 on December 11, 2019, 12:37:07 PM
Its been ignored for far too long. The daily black on Jew attacks have got to be dealt with.

Dealt with how.... just to make noise? You truly think anything will change?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: TimT on December 11, 2019, 12:37:38 PM
I don't know a lot of criminals but none of them hangout in the cemetery.  ;)
During election season they do. ;)
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 11, 2019, 12:38:05 PM
Dealt with how.... just to make noise? You truly think anything will change?
Things change, it just takes time.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: KSMH on December 11, 2019, 12:38:21 PM
Dealt with how.... just to make noise? You truly think anything will change?
Awareness, its called.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 11, 2019, 12:38:51 PM
During election season they do. ;)
Wrong thread.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: TimT on December 11, 2019, 12:39:45 PM
Dealt with how.... just to make noise? You truly think anything will change?
Of course not. Its run by liberals afraid to open their mouths.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 11, 2019, 12:42:08 PM
Of course not. Its run by liberals afraid to open their mouths.
We do have a political thread.  ;)
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: TimT on December 11, 2019, 12:42:20 PM
I don't know a lot of criminals but none of them hangout in the cemetery.  ;)
Then who's committing all the vandalism at cemeteries worldwide ? Sure aint the residents.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 11, 2019, 12:43:07 PM
Then who's committing all the vandalism at cemeteries worldwide ? Sure aint the residents.
Wannabees
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: chff on December 11, 2019, 12:44:52 PM
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Abebee on December 11, 2019, 12:48:01 PM
From this video you can see its clearly a targeted attack.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Dan on December 11, 2019, 12:55:35 PM
Strange how at the news conference they got this so wrong.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: chff on December 11, 2019, 01:15:50 PM
The person that survived (his couson did not hy"d)

ETA the VN is from Lax - he wasn't shot
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: avromie7 on December 11, 2019, 01:17:11 PM
I only see 1 person escaping
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: yuneeq on December 11, 2019, 01:21:11 PM
I only see 1 person escaping

Another escaped through the back.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ah giten on December 11, 2019, 01:59:03 PM
Im still thinking maybe it really wasnt targeted....?
But I honestly think they missed the target by 1 door..... I can't think what would happen if they would go up to the school... השם ירחם
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ah giten on December 11, 2019, 02:00:25 PM
I also heard that through the back of the store there was a door to the Shul where there is a kolel during that time, and the kids learning upstairs.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: BarryLincoln on December 11, 2019, 02:11:08 PM
Anti-Semitism is a motive. The area is densely populated with Jews between the school, synagogue, and grocery store and they clearly scouted out the area beforehand.
Bigger plans including a bomb were jettisoned after they murdered the cop. They continued to the area and went for the softest target, the kosher grocery without locked doors.

Odds of a prior dispute are close to nil IMHO.

https://forward.com/fast-forward/436277/jersey-city-kosher-market-anti-semitic/ (https://forward.com/fast-forward/436277/jersey-city-kosher-market-anti-semitic/)

Possible motive... "Three sources said that Anderson was a former follower of the Hebrew Israelite movement. A note with religious writings was found in the U-Haul that the suspects allegedly drove to the supermarket...  Adherents to the Hebrew Israelite movement, also sometimes called Black Hebrews, believe that African-Americans are the real descendants of the biblical Children of Israel and that white Jews are imposters.

Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ShmuliT on December 11, 2019, 02:20:57 PM
I just noticed, right at the beginning of the clip there is a young boy running across the street (bottom of screen, right to left). It looks like hes about to enter the Shul/School, but hears the shots and runs away. If they would have pulled up 2 sec later it seems they would literally be able to follow the boy right through the door.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ah giten on December 11, 2019, 02:23:56 PM
more abt the media ignoring the facts....
Ben Shapiro in the first few minutes, great as usual.


Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 11, 2019, 02:31:41 PM
One of the suspects was a women?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Luvisrael on December 11, 2019, 02:32:43 PM
One of the suspects was a women?
yup
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 11, 2019, 02:35:56 PM
yup
Husband and wife?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: yitzgar on December 11, 2019, 02:36:44 PM
Husband and wife?
Sounds like something of the sort
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: kayef on December 11, 2019, 03:56:24 PM
One of the suspects was a women?
Can someone explain the usage of the word suspect in cases like this? Is there something that we are suspicious about?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: KSMH on December 11, 2019, 04:06:34 PM
Can someone explain the usage of the word suspect in cases like this? Is there something that we are suspicious about?

I don't think "most" comments are official press releases from a government official or what. Most are written in a hurry. FYI
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: KSMH on December 11, 2019, 04:08:50 PM
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 11, 2019, 04:10:27 PM
Can someone explain the usage of the word suspect in cases like this? Is there something that we are suspicious about?
SOP
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: kayef on December 11, 2019, 04:18:12 PM
SOP
Maybe just me, but I feel it cheapens it. One thing for law enforcement, but the media should call it what it is
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 11, 2019, 04:20:20 PM
Maybe just me, but I feel it cheapens it. One thing for law enforcement, but the media should call it what it is
It does not change what happened. We all know who they are talking about.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: TimT on December 11, 2019, 04:23:27 PM
Maybe just me, but I feel it cheapens it. One thing for law enforcement, but the media should call it what it is
Be happy theyre not saying alleged suspects.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 11, 2019, 06:33:19 PM
Lead story on CBS nightly news.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Tzadik Nistar on December 11, 2019, 07:25:22 PM
Jersey City
The police department of Jersey City are preparing now for the funeral of Mrs. Ferenc who tragically got killed yesterday in the JS shooting
The funeral is scheduled to go out tonight at 8:00 oclock from the corner of Fulton and MLK in Jersey City, where thousands are expected to come and show support to the family and to the entire local Jewish community who live in Greenville JC who witnessed yesterday such a gruesome terror attack.
The volunteers who coordinate the funeral are asking to please come and show support.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: shapsam on December 11, 2019, 07:37:04 PM
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ah giten on December 11, 2019, 08:02:43 PM
sickening.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: LNS on December 11, 2019, 10:13:12 PM
https://thechesedfund.com/chevrakaddishaofflatbush/jerseycitypolicehero
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: tov hashem on December 11, 2019, 11:46:43 PM
https://www.charidy.com/jcvictims (https://www.charidy.com/jcvictims)
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Chapshnell on December 12, 2019, 09:37:38 AM
As a frequent shopper of the JC grocery (I work right there) it is impossible to bring out in words the pain that this community is feeling. Mrs Ferencz  & her husband ran their store with a smile & while he was bagging your groceries they always had a good word to say. Its a very small community & everyone knows each other, I am not sure how he can move forward with 3 orphans but I am sure Hashem will give him the strength to move forward. Its very weird because the neighbors around here no matter the race have been either nice or minding their own business so this is a big shock.

I hope people understand that these yidden do not have a grocery now, they (can) order from stores in Williamsburg that will deliver to them but when you need a quick milk or bread thats gone.

And last but not forgotten is Miguel the worker in the store, always helped right away, nothing was ever a problem, was very easygoing. Leaves behind a wife & daughter, was a real nice family man.

What I take out of this tragedy is we need to love each other (achdus in yahadus) and we need to continue & grow in the middah of tzedaka to help each other whether with money or something priceless like chizuk & a good word.

Im still in shock, its kind of hard to believe it really happened, but we accept that this is what Hashem wants & is the best for us even if we dont always understand.

Hashem yerachem uleini.

A JC worker for the past 13+ years.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: YitzyS on December 12, 2019, 10:03:10 AM
Invalid Tweet ID
In case she deletes the tweet, here's a screenshot.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: YitzyS on December 12, 2019, 10:28:05 AM
Invalid Tweet ID
In case she deletes the tweet, here's a screenshot.
And she deleted it.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Chapshnell on December 12, 2019, 11:01:44 AM
If anyone wants to help out with larger sums & doesn't want the small Charidy % to go off please send me a PM & I will give you Moishe Ferencz & his orphans address in Jersey City to mail a check to.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CS1 on December 12, 2019, 11:33:07 AM
Invalid Tweet ID
In case she deletes the tweet, here's a screenshot.

She deleted it. Suspects are African-American So now it is not heartbreaking anymore....?...
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: yos9694 on December 12, 2019, 11:54:13 AM
She deleted it. Suspects are African-American So now it is not heartbreaking anymore....?...

I believe that tweet is faked. The only place on twitter where the screenshot appears has a header that says "Michele replied" but is cropped out here. Given how easy it is to manufacture twitter screenshots (just hit F12 and change the text to anything you want) and the fact that there aren't any other instances of replies, it's not likely that its real.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Abebee on December 12, 2019, 12:08:33 PM
Press Conference watch live:
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 12, 2019, 12:16:32 PM
An idea what time?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Abebee on December 12, 2019, 12:20:56 PM
An idea what time?
It was supposed to start at Noon. I will update when it actually starts.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: YitzyS on December 12, 2019, 12:24:54 PM
I believe that tweet is faked. The only place on twitter where the screenshot appears has a header that says "Michele replied" but is cropped out here. Given how easy it is to manufacture twitter screenshots (just hit F12 and change the text to anything you want) and the fact that there aren't any other instances of replies, it's not likely that its real.
I personally took the screenshot from her verified account using the snipping tool on my computer.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Abebee on December 12, 2019, 12:30:25 PM
An idea what time?
Starting in 2-3 minutes
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Abebee on December 12, 2019, 12:39:23 PM
5 firearms were recovered from the killers (4 in the grocery, 1 in van).
Several hundred shell casings were recovered from the scene.
It is believed that all 3 suspects were killed by the shooters minutes after they entered the store.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 12, 2019, 12:43:33 PM
5 firearms were recovered from the killers (4 in the grocery, 1 in van).
Several hundred shell casings were recovered from the scene.
It is believed that all 3 suspects were killed by the shooters minutes after they entered the store.
No mention of pipe bomb.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: skyguy918 on December 12, 2019, 12:44:08 PM
5 firearms were recovered from the killers (4 in the grocery, 1 in van).
Several hundred shell casings were recovered from the scene.
It is believed that all 3 suspects were killed by the shooters minutes after they entered the store.
At least some of the firearms believed to be purchased in Ohio.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Dawie on December 12, 2019, 12:44:30 PM
https://www.charidy.com/jcvictims (https://www.charidy.com/jcvictims)
Who is running this?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Chapshnell on December 12, 2019, 12:46:20 PM
Who is running this?

Its legit, if you want to send a donation directly & you feel more comfortable that way you can send me a PM for the familys address
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Dan on December 12, 2019, 12:52:46 PM
No mention of pipe bomb.
-1
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Something Fishy on December 12, 2019, 12:52:53 PM
No mention of pipe bomb.

Just did, confirmed.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 12, 2019, 12:53:37 PM
-1
Not when I made the post.  >:(
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ExGingi on December 12, 2019, 12:54:52 PM

@CountValentine would you think the Catholic school should publicly denounce, and take strong action against the words and sentiment coming from an individual who seems to be a parent of a child in that school?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 12, 2019, 12:58:07 PM
@CountValentine would you think the Catholic school should publicly denounce, and take strong action against the words and sentiment coming from an individual who seems to be a parent of a child in that school?
If what you say is true, OF COURSE!!!
That is how you answer a straight forward question.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: yitzgar on December 12, 2019, 01:00:34 PM
@CountValentine would you think the Catholic school should publicly denounce, and take strong action against the words and sentiment coming from an individual who seems to be a parent of a child in that school?
I wasn't asked, but I don't understand why the school should be perceived as having the same outlook as one of the parents that sends there. (Maybe if it had to do with the parents opinion on how the school should be doing something), but this is just a loony person that happens to send their kid to the school.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 12, 2019, 01:03:40 PM
I wasn't asked, but I don't understand why the school should be perceived as having the same outlook as one of the parents that sends there. (Maybe if it had to do with the parents opinion on how the school should be doing something), but this is just a loony person that happens to send their kid to the school.
The larger point is everyone should speak out. Religions should be at the forefront of these fights. Practice what you preach!!!
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 12, 2019, 01:06:59 PM
Pretty informative press conference. Nothing but the facts.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Freddie on December 12, 2019, 01:09:16 PM
@CountValentine would you think the Catholic school should publicly denounce, and take strong action against the words and sentiment coming from an individual who seems to be a parent of a child in that school?

Where is yehuda's post about black anti-semitism?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ExGingi on December 12, 2019, 01:11:17 PM
I wasn't asked, but I don't understand why the school should be perceived as having the same outlook as one of the parents that sends there. (Maybe if it had to do with the parents opinion on how the school should be doing something), but this is just a loony person that happens to send their kid to the school.

No one is perceiving the school as having that outlook, which is precisely why I would expect the school to come out strongly against it.

They should start with this (https://www.ted.com/talks/daryl_davis_what_do_you_do_when_someone_just_doesn_t_like_you/transcript?language=en) as part of a mandatory curriculum.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: yitzgar on December 12, 2019, 01:18:45 PM
No one is perceiving the school as having that outlook, which is precisely why I would expect the school to come out strongly against it.

They should start with this (https://www.ted.com/talks/daryl_davis_what_do_you_do_when_someone_just_doesn_t_like_you/transcript?language=en) as part of a mandatory curriculum.
Why would the school need to say something more than literally anyone else on the planet, unless you suspect them of harboring such views?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ExGingi on December 12, 2019, 01:25:19 PM
Why would the school need to say something more than literally anyone else on the planet, unless you suspect them of harboring such views?

When I played that video to my DW yesterday, she asked me how come these people were able to say things like that, while being filmed, with no consequence? Why weren't they arrested? I explained to her that free speech is constitutionally protected.

However, I think any normal human being would be horrified by this. Blame the innocent victims for the fact that your child couldn't get out of school for a few hours, and continue with hateful rhetoric. I think most schools realize that education is partnership between the school and the parents. Can the school tolerate such a partner? Could the school allow such sentiment to be expressed and harbored within the community of the school?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: yitzgar on December 12, 2019, 02:17:54 PM
When I played that video to my DW yesterday, she asked me how come these people were able to say things like that, while being filmed, with no consequence? Why weren't they arrested? I explained to her that free speech is constitutionally protected.

However, I think any normal human being would be horrified by this. Blame the innocent victims for the fact that your child couldn't get out of school for a few hours, and continue with hateful rhetoric. I think most schools realize that education is partnership between the school and the parents. Can the school tolerate such a partner? Could the school allow such sentiment to be expressed and harbored within the community of the school?
So they should kick her kids out?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ExGingi on December 12, 2019, 02:59:51 PM
So they should kick her kids out?

Not at all what I said. I am not telling them what to do, it is up to them, but I would think that they should PUBLICLY denounce such talk, and implement some kind of program in their school to eradicate such thinking. Which is why I suggested to start with the Daryl Davis TED talk, though it would probably need to be heavily expanded upon, so that people understand that his point isn't only about hatred towards black people.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Yehuda57 on December 12, 2019, 05:47:46 PM
I believe that tweet is faked. The only place on twitter where the screenshot appears has a header that says "Michele replied" but is cropped out here. Given how easy it is to manufacture twitter screenshots (just hit F12 and change the text to anything you want) and the fact that there aren't any other instances of replies, it's not likely that its real.
Absolutely not. I saw it live
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Yehuda57 on December 12, 2019, 05:49:13 PM
@CountValentine would you think the Catholic school should publicly denounce, and take strong action against the words and sentiment coming from an individual who seems to be a parent of a child in that school?
That's absurd
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Dan on December 12, 2019, 05:50:38 PM
Absolutely not. I saw it live
Insane that there's no outcry. Can you even imagine if an R tweeted something about black or Latino people killing people if the killer wasn't black or Latino?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 12, 2019, 05:51:00 PM
That's absurd
...but is it a racist question?  :)
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 12, 2019, 05:51:51 PM
Absolutely not. I saw it live
You follow her account?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Yehuda57 on December 12, 2019, 05:52:00 PM
Where is yehuda's post about black anti-semitism?
This?
@JTZ - I apologize for the wall of text, but I feel this is important context to provide for the discussion.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Yehuda57 on December 12, 2019, 05:52:51 PM
You follow her account?
No. I saw it retweeted.
ETA: here
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: YitzyS on December 12, 2019, 05:53:00 PM
Absolutely not. I saw it live
+1
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: YitzyS on December 12, 2019, 05:53:32 PM
No. I saw it retweeted.
I saw a screenshot tweeted so I went to her account to verify, and thereby took my own screenshot.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: shapsam on December 12, 2019, 06:29:23 PM
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: chff on December 12, 2019, 09:22:45 PM
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: gingyguy on December 12, 2019, 09:29:12 PM
You follow her account?
LOl , I was wondering the same thing.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: gingyguy on December 12, 2019, 09:31:32 PM
One thing that really bothers me , is hearing on the news that 6 people died in a attack , as if there were 6 victims.  Should  be more like,  two monsters were killed by police after murdering four innocent people.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: gingyguy on December 12, 2019, 09:37:32 PM
This?
what a way to increase your like count by BUMPing old posts!
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Joel on December 12, 2019, 09:56:47 PM
Wonder why the last second decision to go to the grocery store instead of the shul. Probably the combination lock.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 12, 2019, 10:01:13 PM
Wonder why the last second decision to go to the grocery store instead of the shul. Probably the combination lock.
Thankfully a simple precaution probably saved many lives.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Baruch on December 12, 2019, 10:01:56 PM
Wonder why the last second decision to go to the grocery store instead of the shul. Probably the combination lock.
רבות מחשבות בלב איש ועצת ה' היא תקום
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: shapsam on December 12, 2019, 10:57:24 PM
http://hudsonvalley.news12.com/story/41445517/orthodox-community-raises-nearly-dollar50k-for-detective-killed-in-jersey-city
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Chapshnell on December 12, 2019, 11:42:15 PM
Wonder why the last second decision to go to the grocery store instead of the shul. Probably the combination lock.

its quite possible he thought the door on the left of the store (which goes up to the apartments) was the store entrance. Maybe.. Because the shul door is another 10 feet further then from where he makes that pivot.

It doesnt make a difference though in the end.. The shul door is fully stained/fogged glass, could of easily shot it open if he really wanted to. Hashem decided who was going up & its very painful & hard to understand but somehow it has to be for the good even if our brains dont always process it that way.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: chff on December 12, 2019, 11:50:45 PM
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: KSMH on December 12, 2019, 11:57:27 PM
Crazy to see how that kid was saved. Just unbelievable!
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: KSMH on December 12, 2019, 11:59:12 PM
If u look at the last second of the vid. you can see them pointing the gun at they guy that ran out of the store.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ah giten on December 13, 2019, 12:08:31 AM
If u look at the last second of the vid. you can see them pointing the gun at they guy that ran out of the store.
wow! true. would never noticed.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CS1 on December 13, 2019, 01:47:58 AM
If u look at the last second of the vid. you can see them pointing the gun at they guy that ran out of the store.

There is another overhead video from the top of the grocery store doorway that shows several shots firing from inside the doorway toward the man running away.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: KSMH on December 13, 2019, 01:52:06 AM
There is another overhead video from the top of the grocery store doorway that shows several shots firing from inside the doorway toward the man running away.
Saw that one but quilty dosnt compare. I knew to look out for it because of that video.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Chapshnell on December 13, 2019, 09:30:34 AM
If u look at the last second of the vid. you can see them pointing the gun at they guy that ran out of the store.

wow just saw that. freaky.. baruch hashem, an open ness
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: stooges44 on December 13, 2019, 11:12:41 AM
Special Message - R' Bender to Alumni after Jersey City (https://darchei.wistia.com/medias/3ksdp1zakv?c=62e759e0-b5f9-11e3-b213-d4ae5292c40b&wvideo=3ksdp1zakv)
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: zh cohen on December 13, 2019, 11:28:27 AM
If anyone wants to help out with larger sums & doesn't want the small Charidy % to go off

From the Charidy page

Quote
A special project sponsored by Charidy

I think that means they aren't charging a percentage. (Unless you're referring to CC processing fees).
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: cgr on December 13, 2019, 11:31:00 AM
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 13, 2019, 11:38:20 AM
Special Message - R' Bender to Alumni after Jersey City (https://darchei.wistia.com/medias/3ksdp1zakv?c=62e759e0-b5f9-11e3-b213-d4ae5292c40b&wvideo=3ksdp1zakv)
I wish I could understand everything he said but there is a language barrier. The one point he makes is to hide things and not flaunt them. One thing you should hide is this video from non-Jews. This video will drive anti-Semitism. Now you can jump all over me for saying that or you can try and understand why that is.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Chapshnell on December 13, 2019, 11:52:12 AM
From the Charidy page

I think that means they aren't charging a percentage. (Unless you're referring to CC processing fees).

I really meant both but I guess for this they arent charging their 2.9% commission.
Bottom line CONTRIBUTE PLEASE!

If you want to send a large check where CC % doesnt go off I can share via PM their address in JC.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Geshmak25 on December 13, 2019, 11:57:45 AM
its quite possible he thought the door on the left of the store (which goes up to the apartments) was the store entrance. Maybe.. Because the shul door is another 10 feet further then from where he makes that pivot.
So is this tweet misinformed?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 13, 2019, 12:00:03 PM
So is this tweet misinformed?
If we just let the investigation take its course IMHO we are going to have a real good idea what their insane plane was.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Chapshnell on December 13, 2019, 12:05:00 PM
I wish I could understand everything he said but there is a language barrier. The one point he makes is to hide things and not flaunt them. One thing you should hide is this video from non-Jews. This video will drive anti-Semitism. Now you can jump all over me for saying that or you can try and understand why that is.

its a phenomenal video but you make a good point.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Chapshnell on December 13, 2019, 12:05:59 PM
So is this tweet misinformed?

Yes, but I dont think he is pushing any agenda. I have a much bigger issue with the replies to that tweet. O-M-G.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 13, 2019, 12:10:04 PM
its a phenomenal video but you make a good point.
Of what I could understand he made some very excellent points.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Chapshnell on December 13, 2019, 12:10:42 PM
So is this tweet misinformed?

my eye test when I walked there is that its about 10 feet (maybe 11 or so whatever).. This rasha ym"s was initially in front of the brown & fogged glass door to go to the upstairs apartments when he pivots right to go into the store. It could very possibly be he thought that this door was to the yeshiva, its very very possible but I have no way of knowing.

What I could tell you is that when you walk on the street you can very clearly hear the sound of children/rebbe learning the torah DEFINITELY  when its nice weather & the windows are open.

It could be Hashem made that he shouldnt find the door like in Sodom, who knows.. not me...

Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 13, 2019, 12:16:27 PM
Is this the only kosher/Jewish store in the area? It is it like when I went to Brooklyn where there are many kosher/Jewish stores in a concentrated area?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: cgr on December 13, 2019, 12:17:37 PM
So is this tweet misinformed?
There's definitely a difference of opinion here on how to deal with releasing the info from the investigation. The mayor seems to feel that everything should be made public, while the AG seems to be a lot more reluctant. Personally, I think the mayor is doing everyone a disservice by releasing fragmented information, but let's not forget that he was also the first one to release the shooters motive, and while by looking at the video I don't think the shul/cheder entrance is close enough for the shooters to have been headed there, he might have a bit more information on this than we do.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: aygart on December 13, 2019, 12:18:45 PM
Is this the only kosher/Jewish store in the area? It is it like when I went to Brooklyn where there are many kosher/Jewish stores in a concentrated area?
This is a MUCH smaller community.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Abebee on December 13, 2019, 12:22:22 PM
Is this the only kosher/Jewish store in the area? It is it like when I went to Brooklyn where there are many kosher/Jewish stores in a concentrated area?
Yes, its the only Kosher store.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ExGingi on December 13, 2019, 12:26:38 PM
This is a much smaller community.

That's an understatement.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: aygart on December 13, 2019, 12:28:10 PM
That's an understatement.
better?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 13, 2019, 12:28:20 PM
This is a much smaller community.
Thanks but this was the correct answer.  :)
Yes, its the only Kosher store.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: aygart on December 13, 2019, 12:32:02 PM
Thanks but this was the correct answer.  :)
I wasn't equipped with the knowledge to give such a definitive answer.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Chapshnell on December 13, 2019, 12:32:45 PM
Is this the only kosher/Jewish store in the area? It is it like when I went to Brooklyn where there are many kosher/Jewish stores in a concentrated area?

not only was it the only one its a very quiet store. the fact that there were 3 customer is A LOT. Thankfully they didnt come when people do their Shabbos shopping, because then there are lots of mothers, children-babies etc
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Chapshnell on December 13, 2019, 12:33:39 PM
This is a MUCH smaller community.

high in the 70's families live there. not sure the exact amount 78-79 whatever.. media reported 100. its incorrect, its smaller than that.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Dan on December 13, 2019, 12:45:29 PM
the fact that there were 3 customer is A LOT.
Just 1 customer was murdered, right?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 13, 2019, 12:46:30 PM
Just 1 customer was murdered, right?
Store owner, worker and customer?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Dan on December 13, 2019, 12:52:29 PM
Store owner, worker and customer?
That's my understanding.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: TimT on December 13, 2019, 12:59:58 PM
Store owner, worker and customer?
correct
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Chapshnell on December 13, 2019, 01:03:36 PM
Just 1 customer was murdered, right?

correct...

3 yiddishe customers were in the store.. One got out from the back door (the worker let him go first & then the worker was shot dead in between the back door, he was halfway out the backdoor when he was shot). one ran out through the front via open nissim, one was unfortunately shot dead (the 24 year old bucher) and mrs ferencz at the register was gunned down too. HY"D

but what i am saying is that 3 customers in the store is A LOT for a Tuesday at one time!
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ExGingi on December 13, 2019, 01:43:46 PM
high in the 70's families live there. not sure the exact amount 78-79 whatever.. media reported 100. its incorrect, its smaller than that.

Which is why I said calling it a "smaller community" or even "MUCH smaller community" is an understatement. Contrast that with Crown Heights which is somewhere between 4,000 and 5,000 families IINM, and Williamsburg, Boro Park, and Lakewood which are each much bigger than Crown Heights. Calling it an outpost would probably give you a better idea of what we're talking about.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: chff on December 13, 2019, 01:58:20 PM
correct...

3 yiddishe customers were in the store.. One got out from the back door (the worker let him go first & then the worker was shot dead in between the back door, he was halfway out the backdoor when he was shot). one ran out through the front via open nissim, one was unfortunately shot dead (the 24 year old bucher) and mrs ferencz at the register was gunned down too. HY"D

but what i am saying is that 3 customers in the store is A LOT for a Tuesday at one time!
Two of the customers were not residents, Rather visiting from Brooklyn. They were cousins, one was shot to death, and one was injured
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 13, 2019, 02:07:51 PM
Which is why I said calling it a "smaller community" or even "MUCH smaller community" is an understatement. Contrast that with Crown Heights which is somewhere between 4,000 and 5,000 families IINM, and Williamsburg, Boro Park, and Lakewood which are each much bigger than Crown Heights. Calling it an outpost would probably give you a better idea of what we're talking about.
"outpost" now that is descriptive.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ilherman on December 13, 2019, 02:12:28 PM
קטע מדברות קודוש שבת פ' ויצא תש"פ בעת רעוא דרעוין מכ"ק גאב"ד קארלסבורג שליט"א

מ'זעהט מ'דארף נישט נתייאש ווערן, דער אייבערשטער זאל העלפן מ'זאל קענען צינדען חנוכה לעכט אבער אמאל איז דא וואס דער שונא איז שוין דא וואס וועט זיין יעצט? ער איז שוין דא ער קומט אריין מיט איך ווייס וואס, קומט אריין מיט זיין חרבות מיט זיין געווער מיט אלעמען, אויף דעם איז אויך דא א עצה ס'זאל ווערן טונקל פאר זיי, זיי זאלן נישט זעהן. קומט אויס אז דאס איז אויך א נס, עס קומט דארט שונאים זיי זעען אז די וועסט וועלן האלטן די תורה וכדומה, וועלן זיי נישט טרעפן און זיי וועלן נישט זעהן.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ilherman on December 13, 2019, 02:14:33 PM
קטע מדברות קודוש שבת פ' ויצא תש"פ בעת רעוא דרעוין מכ"ק גאב"ד קארלסבורג שליט"א

מ'זעהט מ'דארף נישט נתייאש ווערן, דער אייבערשטער זאל העלפן מ'זאל קענען צינדען חנוכה לעכט אבער אמאל איז דא וואס דער שונא איז שוין דא וואס וועט זיין יעצט? ער איז שוין דא ער קומט אריין מיט איך ווייס וואס, קומט אריין מיט זיין חרבות מיט זיין געווער מיט אלעמען, אויף דעם איז אויך דא א עצה ס'זאל ווערן טונקל פאר זיי, זיי זאלן נישט זעהן. קומט אויס אז דאס איז אויך א נס, עס קומט דארט שונאים זיי זעען אז די וועסט וועלן האלטן די תורה וכדומה, וועלן זיי נישט טרעפן און זיי וועלן נישט זעהן.
Apparently his son, who is the principle in the cheder and lives in JC was in BP last week shabbos and was there by the Torah.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ah giten on December 13, 2019, 02:51:46 PM
קטע מדברות קודוש שבת פ' ויצא תש"פ בעת רעוא דרעוין מכ"ק גאב"ד קארלסבורג שליט"א

מ'זעהט מ'דארף נישט נתייאש ווערן, דער אייבערשטער זאל העלפן מ'זאל קענען צינדען חנוכה לעכט אבער אמאל איז דא וואס דער שונא איז שוין דא וואס וועט זיין יעצט? ער איז שוין דא ער קומט אריין מיט איך ווייס וואס, קומט אריין מיט זיין חרבות מיט זיין געווער מיט אלעמען, אויף דעם איז אויך דא א עצה ס'זאל ווערן טונקל פאר זיי, זיי זאלן נישט זעהן. קומט אויס אז דאס איז אויך א נס, עס קומט דארט שונאים זיי זעען אז די וועסט וועלן האלטן די תורה וכדומה, וועלן זיי נישט טרעפן און זיי וועלן נישט זעהן.
whoa, this was the past week?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ilherman on December 13, 2019, 02:54:10 PM
Afaik, yes.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: stooges44 on December 13, 2019, 02:55:11 PM
קטע מדברות קודוש שבת פ' ויצא תש"פ בעת רעוא דרעוין מכ"ק גאב"ד קארלסבורג שליט"א

מ'זעהט מ'דארף נישט נתייאש ווערן, דער אייבערשטער זאל העלפן מ'זאל קענען צינדען חנוכה לעכט אבער אמאל איז דא וואס דער שונא איז שוין דא וואס וועט זיין יעצט? ער איז שוין דא ער קומט אריין מיט איך ווייס וואס, קומט אריין מיט זיין חרבות מיט זיין געווער מיט אלעמען, אויף דעם איז אויך דא א עצה ס'זאל ווערן טונקל פאר זיי, זיי זאלן נישט זעהן. קומט אויס אז דאס איז אויך א נס, עס קומט דארט שונאים זיי זעען אז די וועסט וועלן האלטן די תורה וכדומה, וועלן זיי נישט טרעפן און זיי וועלן נישט זעהן.

Can someone please translate? Thanks
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 13, 2019, 03:02:12 PM
Can someone please translate? Thanks
Second that!!!
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ilherman on December 13, 2019, 03:17:36 PM
Second that!!!
Very complicated.

But to try in a nutshell, basically a well known Rabbi speaking to his followers this past Saturday, talking about evils trying to come and kill jews and a miracle happening they won't see their targets, in merit of the Torah.

Some see he was foreseeing what's gonna happen with sort of ruach hakodesh.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: YitzyS on December 14, 2019, 07:39:57 PM
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: KSMH on December 14, 2019, 07:51:45 PM
Fulop: "My opinion"
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Post by: YitzyS on December 14, 2019, 07:53:01 PM
Yes, but I dont think he is pushing any agenda. I have a much bigger issue with the replies to that tweet. O-M-G.
I personally believe that he may have had an agenda. Let me point out a few things:

First point - From the mayor's Wikipedia page (emphasis added):
Fulop (Flp) was born to a Jewish family in Edison, New Jersey, the son of immigrants from Hungary and Israel. His father owned a delicatessen in Newark, New Jersey, where Fulop often worked, and his mother, the daughter of Holocaust survivors, worked in an immigration services office helping others gain citizenship. Through the sixth grade, Fulop attended Rabbi Pesach Raymon Yeshiva, an Orthodox Jewish elementary school in Highland Park, New Jersey, though he himself was not observant.

Second point -

Here are the inferences I drew, though they are merely speculation at this point. Fulop grew up quasi-religious, and even attended a yeshiva. So when Jews started settling in, it was politically smart for him to voice criticism to show that he had no predisposition toward them. (This is not vital for the point I'm making, but it's my feeling.) Now, however, his record of critique could work against him, and he could easily be branded as anti-orthodox if he doesn't condemn this attack as anti-Semitic. Therefore, he was the first to jump in and express that sentiment, in order not to be condemned as racist due to his prior comments.

Take it or leave it, it's just my inference.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ah giten on December 14, 2019, 08:07:41 PM
Leave the Mayors words behind.
what does any person seeing this think? (anyone without the opposite agenda)
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: stooges44 on December 14, 2019, 08:14:21 PM
By Rabbi Ron Yitzchok Eisenman, Rabbi, Ahavas Israel Passaic

I received a phone call early this morning.

It was from Mayor Hector Lora the mayor of Passaic.

I consider Mr. Lora a good friend, a sensitive individual and a caring man.

He was my first phone call today.

He said that he had heard that the horrific attack in Jersey City was no random attack as first was reported, rather, it was a targeted anti-Semitic incident.

He then informed me that although there is no credible threat against the Jewish community in Passaic, he is placing a mobile police command center in front of the Shul on Van Houten Ave.

He mentioned that as the most frequented Synagogue in the city, he wanted to make sure, That everyone should feel safe to pray:

I thanked him profusely for his care, for his initiative to help protect us and his concern for our safety.

Mayor Lora then contacted me again to emphasize that although the Mobile Police Command Center (the largest and most advanced anti-crime vehicle in the Passaic Police force) will be stationed in front of the Shul, nevertheless, he wanted me to emphasize to all that there is no specific information that the Passaic Jewish community is under any direct threat.

I thanked him again.

Yesterdays attack left me very sad and mournful.

I grieved for the familys of Moshe Hersh Deutch HYD, 24-years-old from Williamsburg and Mrs. Leah Mindel Ferentz HYD, 33-years-old who were murdered in cold blood yesterday.

Numerous sources have reported, The Mayor of Jersey City has asserted that todays incident was a deliberate attack targeting the Jewish community.

The Greenville neighborhood in Jersey City is not rural, suburban neighborhood.

It is not like Bloomingburg, NY which is tranquil and has a rustic ambience.

It is not like Toms River or Jackson New Jersey.

It is certainly not like East Ramapo near Monsey.

Greensville, Jersey City is an urban area primarily made up of Blacks and other ethnic minorities.

When Jews first began moving to Greensville, an interesting coincidence took place.

The main street in Greensville is Martin Luther King Jr. Drive.

Along the avenue are a Catholic church, a mosque and a storefront church called the Sanctified Church of J.C.

Despite the presence of these houses of worship of three different faiths, as soon as Jews moved in

A zoning change was enacted forbidding new houses of worship.

Michele Massey, a former Jersey City councilwoman who is the executive director of an organization that oversees a commercial corridor along Martin Luther King Jr. Drive, said Hasidim had opened a synagogue on the avenue despite a recent zoning change forbidding new houses of worship.

Its not because theyre Jewish, Ms. Massey said of her opposition. It could have been any other religion or group. It was simply the zoning law. Im a person of color. Obviously I dont care who lives where.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/nyregion/ultra-orthodox-jews-hasidim-new-jersey.html

I fail to understand Ms. Masseys assurance that, It could have been any other religion or group. It was simply the zoning law.

I certainly cannot comprehend the logic of why she states, Im a person of color. Obviously I dont care who lives where.  Why does being a person of color lead to the logical conclusion, Obviously I dont care who lives where?

I have other questions which disturb me.

I am baffled by the question, Why do our fellow Americans want to ban us from living in Greensville, East Ramapo, Jackson Township and Toms River?

I wondered after I read a statement, Mayor Steven Fulop wrote that an extensive review of the citys closed-circuit cameras made it clear that these two individuals targeted the kosher grocery location why would anyone target a kosher grocery?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/11/nyregion/jersey-city-shooting.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

I had no answer.

After the phone call from the Mayor, I went back to my study of the Parsha with the commentary of Rashi.

The first Passuk (verse) I read was, וַיָּ֨רָץ עֵשָׂ֤ו לִקְרָאתוֹ֙ וַֽיְחַבְּקֵ֔הוּ וַיִּפֹּ֥ל עַל־צַוָּארָ֖ו וַיִּשָּׁקֵ֑הוּ וַיִּבְכּֽוּ

And Esau ran toward him and embraced him, and he fell on his neck and kissed him, and they wept.

I then looked at Rashi, אמר ר שמעון בן יוחאי הלכה היא בידוע שעשו שונא ליעקב

Rabbi Simeon ben Yochai said: It is a well-known tradition that Esav hates Yaakov
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: chff on December 14, 2019, 11:06:01 PM

Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: LNS on December 14, 2019, 11:55:05 PM
https://www.gofundme.com/f/douglas-rodriguez-victim-of-the-jc-shooting
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: chff on December 15, 2019, 12:16:28 AM
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: srap on December 15, 2019, 01:49:20 AM

That is almost four hours long! Is anyone able to pinpoint particular sections to listen to?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: TimT on December 15, 2019, 05:28:49 AM
https://www.justice.gov/usao-nj/pr/monmouth-county-man-charged-being-felon-possession-firearm
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: chff on December 15, 2019, 07:59:51 AM

Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: SSLPhD on December 15, 2019, 08:38:13 AM
Can someone please translate what the boy says?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Luvisrael on December 15, 2019, 11:42:28 AM
https://nypost.com/2019/12/15/man-busted-after-his-number-found-in-dead-jersey-city-shooters-pocket-feds/

Notice the Keffiyeh worn by the male suspect
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: cgr on December 15, 2019, 12:12:20 PM
Can someone please translate what the boy says?
He was headed to the yeshiva with a box of chocolates. Just as he arrived he heard a pop and figured he had time to unlock the yeshiva door and run inside. Then he realized that everyone was running (based on his expression that doesn't happen at most shootings in the area), he swiveled to see the gunmen running towards the store. That's when he pivots in the opposite direction and starts running. He found Mr. Lox on the corner, who invited him to his home, so that he shouldn't be out and about. He stayed there for about 5 hours until he was able to head home. The menahel interjects to say that he didn't realize what was going on until the kids pointed out that the noise was that of bullets flying. He spent about 20 minutes trying to locate the kid, since he knew he was out there.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: YitzyS on December 15, 2019, 12:28:32 PM
He was headed to the yeshiva with a box of chocolates. Just as he arrived he heard a pop and figured he had time to unlock the yeshiva door and run inside. Then he realized that everyone was running (based on his expression that doesn't happen at most shootings in the area), he swiveled to see the gunmen running towards the store. That's when he pivots in the opposite direction and starts running. He found Mr. Lox on the corner, who invited him to his home, so that he shouldn't be out and about. He stayed there for about 5 hours until he was able to head home. The menahel interjects to say that he didn't realize what was going on until the kids pointed out that the noise was that of bullets flying. He spent about 20 minutes trying to locate the kid, since he knew he was out there.
Alternate translation from http://hefkervelt.blogspot.com/2019/12/video-boy-recounts-how-he-was-saved.html

He went to pick up chocolates from the menahel's office on the other block to bring back to all the boys as a treat because they were learning b'retzifus. As he arrived to the door, he was about to punch in the combination when he heard a shot. He thought that he has time to quickly enter the number and let himself in. When he noticed the normally lethargic bystanders start running he turned around and saw a man with a long gun shooting repeatedly into the grocery. "I have to get out of here!" He thought, and made a run for it. He ran back where he came from and met up with Mr. Lax, the other baal haness, and he took him home with him. This caused a bit of confusion, because the cheder staff couldn't locate him (I believe Mr. Lax called the boy's father, but I guess he didn't call the cheder right away) He could hear the shootout from there and spent five hours holed up in their house. Translated by Goldie Hirsch - Yiddish English Translator
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ExGingi on December 15, 2019, 12:36:53 PM
It is painstaking to listen to the audio. Many interruptions, not a clear projection of the voice or a flowing story.

If someone can provide a Yiddish transcription of it, we can get an accurate translation (not that it really matters).
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: cozmohoot on December 15, 2019, 12:44:57 PM
I think the fact that the boy had his hood on helped. He was so close to the shooters, had they seen his face fully and payos , they might have noticed him...BH
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: MarkS on December 15, 2019, 01:44:42 PM

Pretty interesting listen. Starts with shots at store, only then did they get a report about a lifeless officer at the cemetery, and then about the man who was shot and exited the back.

In under 9 minutes they already saw the CCTV footage showing the Uhaul pull up and 2 people going into the store.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: KSMH on December 15, 2019, 02:08:44 PM
Pretty interesting listen. Starts with shots at store, only then did they get a report about a lifeless officer at the cemetery, and then about the man who was shot and exited the back.

In under 9 minutes they already saw the CCTV footage showing the Uhaul pull up and 2 people going into the store.
That's government at it's best, concealing the fact it was targeted towards Jews for as long as possible. They knew it, and just pushed a false narrative of, we dont know.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 15, 2019, 02:17:01 PM
That's government at it's best, concealing the fact it was targeted towards Jews for as long as possible. They knew it, and just pushed a false narrative of, we dont know.
Did you watch the press conference?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: KSMH on December 15, 2019, 03:42:21 PM
Did you watch the press conference?
Yes, I watched the FIRST one, and the others.

Is there a viable reason why the AG couldn't confirm the following day it was a targeted attack. It took the city mayor to call them out and only  then had they started the trickle, trickle of info. What a shame.

The mayor Fulop even acknowledged that they knew straight away what was going on but for SOME reason had no intention of "letting the people know".

Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Luvisrael on December 15, 2019, 03:51:01 PM
anyone else find it odd how this 1 guy abruptly walks away just as the van is pulling up?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: MarkS on December 15, 2019, 04:03:37 PM
Lots of chatter at 22 min about the shooter on the rooftop running roof to roof...
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Post by: CountValentine on December 15, 2019, 04:04:29 PM
Yes, I watched the FIRST one, and the others.

Is there a viable reason why the AG couldn't confirm the following day it was a targeted attack. It took the city mayor to call them out and only  then had they started the trickle, trickle of info. What a shame.

The mayor Fulop even acknowledged that they knew straight away what was going on but for SOME reason had no intention of "letting the people know".
They made it pretty clear at the first press conference what happened. Better to be accurate than fast.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: MarkS on December 15, 2019, 04:05:09 PM
anyone else find it odd how this 1 guy abruptly walks away just as the van is pulling up?
Doubt it's connected. The shooting likely wasn't planned for that precise time and was accelerated by the cemetery altercation.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: aygart on December 15, 2019, 04:07:19 PM
They made it pretty clear at the first press conference what happened. Better to be accurate than fast.
+1

It is almost always the politicians who rattle off first before the facts are known.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 15, 2019, 04:08:10 PM
anyone else find it odd how this 1 guy abruptly walks away just as the van is pulling up?
No and he just walked away normally.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: TimT on December 15, 2019, 04:13:02 PM
That old guy who just continues sitting there eating has seen some messed up stuff in his lifetime.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: cozmohoot on December 15, 2019, 04:14:55 PM
That old guy who just continues sitting there eating has seen some messed up stuff in his lifetime.
Plus1
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 15, 2019, 04:16:02 PM
That old guy who just continues sitting there eating has seen some messed up stuff in his lifetime.
Guy doesn't flinch.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Yehuda57 on December 15, 2019, 05:26:43 PM
They made it pretty clear at the first press conference what happened. Better to be accurate than fast.
Yup, don't want to freak people out and have it turn out to be wrong. The mayor did that with his vague tweets that night.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: srap on December 15, 2019, 05:51:15 PM
Guy doesn't flinch.
I beg to differ.  He heard sound (of the shots) as his cap jerks up at the same moment that the other guys next to him turned their heads and then ran.  The guy at the bottom definitely heard something, but may not have realized it was a gun.  He just saw three guys running.  He also looked in the direction of the store after he heard "something" and saw the customer run out.  Maybe he is hard of hearing?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 15, 2019, 05:56:49 PM
Maybe he is hard of hearing?
LOL
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: TimT on December 15, 2019, 05:58:26 PM
Throw in blind as well.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 15, 2019, 06:00:11 PM
Throw in blind as well.
We deaf and blind so what are we missing?  :-X
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: TimT on December 15, 2019, 06:04:40 PM
We deaf and blind so what are we missing?  :-X
:-X
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Yehuda57 on December 15, 2019, 06:57:36 PM
We deaf and blind so what are we missing?  :-X
Can't run
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: srap on December 15, 2019, 07:06:09 PM
Throw in blind as well.
Blind, definitely not.  Deaf, he can hear loud sound, question is can he identify.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: TimT on December 15, 2019, 07:12:05 PM
Blind, definitely not.  Deaf, he can hear loud sound, question is can he identify.
He sees everybody running for their lives & he has a meal to finish.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 15, 2019, 07:36:16 PM
He sees everybody running for their lives & he has a meal to finish.
Maybe it was from world famous Mermalsteins!!!
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Yehuda57 on December 15, 2019, 07:56:09 PM
Maybe it was from world famous Mermalsteins!!!
If it was, he probably figured if the food didn't kill him, the bullets certainly couldn't.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Baruch on December 15, 2019, 08:25:32 PM
The guy was high, no?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Luvisrael on December 15, 2019, 08:32:38 PM
Just another day in the hood. ::)
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: stooges44 on December 16, 2019, 09:08:42 AM
Just another day in the hood. ::)

Notice how the guy with the blue cap leaves his empty bowl and spoon (aka, trash) by the window.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: kayef on December 16, 2019, 09:28:35 AM
Can't run
+100

My guess is hes cripple or close to it. You can see another guy next to him towards the end. Maybe trying to get him to come and the guy sitting maybe tells him to go without him?

Im sure we can make entire books about what might have gone down in those seconds :)
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: kayef on December 16, 2019, 09:29:03 AM
Notice how the guy with the blue cap leaves his empty bowl and spoon (aka, trash) by the window.
And.....?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Moshe123 on December 16, 2019, 10:18:23 AM
Charlatan alert.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ExGingi on December 16, 2019, 11:14:24 AM
Charlatan alert.
What ever happened to מלתא דעבידא לאגלויי וכו׳?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: zh cohen on December 16, 2019, 11:34:22 AM
What ever happened to מלתא דעבידא לאגלויי וכו׳?

That's only for those that can be called אינשי...
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ah giten on December 16, 2019, 12:07:38 PM
Charlatan alert.
woof.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ilherman on December 16, 2019, 12:59:05 PM
Charlatan alert.
And he still comes to Brooklyn all the time and advertises himself as a mekubel and puel yeshues....
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ah giten on December 16, 2019, 01:21:20 PM
And he still comes to Brooklyn all the time and advertises himself as a mekubel and puel yeshues....
.
Unless somebody put the story on him...
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Abebee on December 16, 2019, 07:42:04 PM
And the plot thickens?

Highly credible sources tell YWN that investigators are now looking at a shooting incident of a Jewish-owned vehicle two weeks ago in connection with the terror attack in Jersey City.

The incident in question occurred on Route 1 and 9 exactly one week before the attack, when a Hasidic man who happens to be a Misaskim Volunteer noticed a U-haul van driving close to him in the area of Newark Airport.


Suddenly, the Jewish driver heard a smash and saw his passenger side window shattered. He figured something was thrown at his vehicle or a stone had jumped up from the highway. The U-haul exited the highway at the next exit, and the driver never reported the incident.

After the Jersey City terror attack, the man became concerned, and reached out to Rabbi Jack Meyer of the Misaskim Organization for assistance. Meyer in turn put the man in touch with the lead investigators of the terror attack.

On Monday, after searching his vehicle for a few hours, Detectives located a bullet in the roof of his vehicle.

The bullet was taken for forensics, and investigators believe this incident may be connected to the Jersey City attack.

Law enforcement are asking anyone with any information they think may assist them in the Jersey City investigation to please reach out to them immediately.

Additional information will be published when it becomes available to us.

(YWN World Headquarters NYC)
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: shapsam on December 16, 2019, 07:50:41 PM
https://nypost.com/2019/12/12/jersey-city-shooting-memorial-includes-calls-for-vengeance/

#fakenews headline
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 16, 2019, 08:18:05 PM
#fakenews headline
...but does a great job on explaining what it means. Focus on the positive.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Something Fishy on December 16, 2019, 08:22:00 PM
From the New Yorker. Nauseating.

Surprisingly enough they've now removed that sentence.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Something Fishy on December 16, 2019, 08:24:12 PM
...but does a great job on explaining what it means. Focus on the positive.

Still utterly

Nauseating.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ah giten on December 16, 2019, 08:25:04 PM
From the New Yorker. Nauseating.

Surprisingly enough they've now removed that sentence.
same thing was in NYP IIRC.
Jews are at fault for moving in to an Ancient and vibrant black community...
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 16, 2019, 08:33:04 PM
Still utterly
The headline is what draws people in. Overall IMHO it is a positive because anyone who reads the article will understand fully.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 16, 2019, 08:34:29 PM
From the New Yorker. Nauseating.

Surprisingly enough they've now removed that sentence.
Typical victim blaming that should never be done.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: TimT on December 16, 2019, 08:41:25 PM
From the New Yorker. Nauseating.

Surprisingly enough they've now removed that sentence.
Washington Compost had a similar hit piece last week.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Luvisrael on December 16, 2019, 09:07:22 PM
Typical victim blaming that should never be done.
not at all. The victims are dead. Their insinuating that the influx of Hasidics as a whole is to blame.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 16, 2019, 09:17:20 PM
not at all. The victims are dead. Their insinuating that the influx of Hasidics as a whole is to blame.
There are more victims than those that died. This attack was not just against them. We see this over and over again trying to somehow put some of the blame on the victims.

The classic is when a women gets assaulted. We hear she should not have dressed that way or she should not have been out that late or she does not belong in a club or on and on.

The issue is the hateful act perpetrated by these two deranged individuals!!!
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Luvisrael on December 16, 2019, 09:22:08 PM
There are more victims than those that died. This attack was not just against them. We see this over and over again trying to somehow put some of the blame on the victims.

The classic is when a women gets assaulted. We hear she should not have dressed that way or she should not have been out that late or she does not belong in a club or on and on.

The issue is the hateful act perpetrated by these two deranged individuals!!!
correct, and that is precisely how this instance would differ. Thats why I dont tend to view this as "typical" victim blaming as you like to downplay it to. In fact it seems you are playing right into the narrative of that newspaper. Just like a women may or not be blamed for her mode of dress, so too here, the Jews may or may not be blamed for coming to the community. How ironic
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 16, 2019, 09:26:15 PM
correct, and that is precisely how this instance would differ. Thats why I dont tend to view this as "typical" victim blaming as you like to downplay it to.
Downplaying it? Not sure what post you are reading or should I say misreading?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ah giten on December 17, 2019, 09:20:06 PM
and here's another justification.

Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: YossieW on December 17, 2019, 09:22:48 PM
and here's another justification.


Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Chapshnell on December 17, 2019, 10:32:45 PM
If you didnt make a donation yet kindly do:
https://www.charidy.com/jcvictims
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: chff on December 17, 2019, 10:43:28 PM

Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: stooges44 on December 18, 2019, 06:07:17 AM

Can we establish designated translators? Whose up for it?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Luvisrael on December 18, 2019, 07:43:41 AM
Can we establish designated translators? Whose up for it?
everything in English besides inshallah which means I wish as in halevai, In Arabic.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ExGingi on December 18, 2019, 08:56:50 AM
everything in English besides inshallah which means I wish as in halevai, In Arabic.
Actually means אם  (https://books.google.com/books?id=DWw_AAAAYAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&dq=%D7%94%D7%90%D7%9C%D7%A3%20%D7%95%D7%94%D7%9E%D7%9D%20%D7%AA%D7%94%D7%99%D7%94%20%D7%90%D7%9D%20%D7%9C%D7%AA%D7%A0%D7%90%D7%99&pg=PA34#v=onepage&q&f=false)ירצה השם. IINM including the various meanings of אם.

ان شاء الله
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: dealfinder11 on December 18, 2019, 09:45:00 AM
everything in English besides inshallah which means I wish as in halevai, In Arabic.

Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Luvisrael on December 18, 2019, 04:22:14 PM

?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Luvisrael on December 18, 2019, 04:24:50 PM
Actually means אם  (https://books.google.com/books?id=DWw_AAAAYAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&dq=%D7%94%D7%90%D7%9C%D7%A3%20%D7%95%D7%94%D7%9E%D7%9D%20%D7%AA%D7%94%D7%99%D7%94%20%D7%90%D7%9D%20%D7%9C%D7%AA%D7%A0%D7%90%D7%99&pg=PA34#v=onepage&q&f=false)ירצה השם. IINM including the various meanings of אם.

ان شاء الله
you  are correct.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Moshe123 on December 18, 2019, 07:25:05 PM
Invalid Tweet ID
Unbelievable
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: TimT on December 18, 2019, 07:28:09 PM
Invalid Tweet ID
Very believable
FTFY
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 23, 2019, 12:24:59 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/hanukkah-in-jersey-city-after-terror-attack-good-will-always-win/ar-BBYfFP9?ocid=spartanntp
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Something Fishy on December 31, 2019, 01:17:00 PM
and here's another justification.


https://patch.com/new-jersey/jersey-city/vigil-help-jersey-city-school-trustee-joan-terrell-thursday

Sick sick SICK.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ExGingi on December 31, 2019, 01:20:14 PM
https://patch.com/new-jersey/jersey-city/vigil-help-jersey-city-school-trustee-joan-terrell-thursday

Sick sick SICK.

So why don't people show up there en masse to expose the participants of the "vigil" for what they are, with carefully thought through messages and soundbites.

The vigil will be at the Fred W. Martin Center for the Arts at Public School 41 at 59 Wilkinson Ave. at 5:30 p.m.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: aygart on December 31, 2019, 01:21:21 PM
carefully thought through
ahhh
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 31, 2019, 01:29:51 PM
https://patch.com/new-jersey/jersey-city/vigil-help-jersey-city-school-trustee-joan-terrell-thursday

Sick sick SICK.
I am going to get hammered for this but hopefully it will help some understand.
When you attack one of theirs (blacks) they circle the wagons. It does not matter that the person was wrong it what they said.
Over simplification but the jest of it.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Yehuda57 on December 31, 2019, 01:42:05 PM
I am going to get hammered for this but hopefully it will help some understand.
When you attack one of theirs (blacks) they circle the wagons. It does not matter that the person was wrong it what they said.
Over simplification but the jest of it.

Another side of the soft bigotry of low expectations
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ExGingi on December 31, 2019, 01:52:00 PM
When you attack one of theirs (blacks) they circle the wagons. It does not matter that the person was wrong it what they said.

Is this a racist comment?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 31, 2019, 02:15:16 PM
Is this a racist comment?
No as that is the way it was explain to me by many blacks. Not this exact situation but many like it.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: kayef on December 31, 2019, 02:18:41 PM
No as that is the way it was explain to me by many blacks. Not this exact situation but many like it.
Doesnt make it non-racist. Especially in the eyes of the ones who explained it to you ;)
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Yehuda57 on December 31, 2019, 02:20:32 PM
No as that is the way it was explain to me by many blacks. Not this exact situation but many like it.

You're looking at a massive group of people made up of many communities as a monolith, classic racism. You've also assumed that this monolith will always circle the wagons, no matter the circumstance, also racist.

I'm not accusing you of being racist. I'm saying that your comment on its face is racist, no matter who your friends are or how many black people you've spoken to.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: TimT on December 31, 2019, 02:21:10 PM
No as that is the way it was explain to me by many blacks.
🤣🤣🤣
You did immediately respond & take them on, didn't you ? :)
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 31, 2019, 02:23:28 PM
You're looking at a massive group of people made up of many communities as a monolith, classic racism. You've also assumed that this monolith will always circle the wagons, no matter the circumstance, also racist.

I'm not accusing you of being racist. I'm saying that your comment on its face is racist, no matter who your friends are or how many black people you've spoken to.
Ok I disagree. This happens over and over and over on a massive scale.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: aygart on December 31, 2019, 02:23:51 PM
No as that is the way it was explain to me by many blacks. Not this exact situation but many like it.
Okay so we won't shoot the meesenger, but the statement is racist. If a white male would say that it would be called out as such.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 31, 2019, 02:24:20 PM
You did immediately respond & take them on, didn't you ? :)
Not when I agree.  :P
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 31, 2019, 02:25:09 PM
Okay so we won't shoot the meesenger, but the statement is racist. If a white male would say that it would be called out as such.
So if I say Catholics protect the Pope that would be anti-Catholic?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: TimT on December 31, 2019, 02:38:13 PM
Not when I agree.  :P
Not even devils advocate ? Thats a new low
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 31, 2019, 02:48:03 PM
That’s a new low
What, no one grasping what I am saying?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: yos9694 on December 31, 2019, 03:33:20 PM
You're looking at a massive group of people made up of many communities as a monolith, classic racism. You've also assumed that this monolith will always circle the wagons, no matter the circumstance, also racist.

Which monolith, the "Moorish people"?

Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: yitzgar on December 31, 2019, 03:42:06 PM
I am going to get hammered for this but hopefully it will help some understand.
When you attack one of theirs (blacks) they circle the wagons. It does not matter that the person was wrong it what they said.
Over simplification but the jest of it.
This is very obvious if you follow events with your eyes open. We see this happen again and again. Not sure what people aren't getting.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Yehuda57 on December 31, 2019, 03:56:47 PM
Which monolith, the "Moorish people"?


"Jews are getting beaten on the streets of NY"

"Jews have no reading comprehension"
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Yammer on December 31, 2019, 04:34:35 PM
I am going to get hammered for this but hopefully it will help some understand.
When you attack one of theirs (blacks) they circle the wagons. It does not matter that the person was wrong it what they said.
Over simplification but the jest of it.
So it's ok to go around claiming that the reason why Black homeowners are selling is because they are threatened, not because they wanted the cash? They sold because they never dreamed that they'd get a boatload of $$ like that.

And then the Jews went around closing as many Programs that benefit the black community as possible?

And all of the sudden, boom it's legitmized...

Do you believe that it the tables were turned and a white male gunned down 2 African Americans and a white congressman wrote on Facebook that African Americans are threatening white homeowners, they would still have a job? They wouldn't call such a vigal a white supremacists gathering?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Something Fishy on December 31, 2019, 04:39:49 PM
I am going to get hammered for this


Hammered, Yammered, Goldberg, Iceberg.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 31, 2019, 04:41:40 PM
So it's ok to go around claiming that the reason why Black homeowners are selling is because they are threatened, not because they wanted the cash? They sold because they never dreamed that they'd get a boatload of $$ like that.

And then the Jews went around closing as many Programs that benefit the black community as possible?

And all of the sudden, boom it's legitmized...

Do you believe that it the tables were turned and a white male gunned down 2 African Americans and a white congressman wrote on Facebook that African Americans are threatening white homeowners, they would still have a job? They wouldn't call such a vigal a white supremacists gathering?
I am not defending what she said. I am explaining why those in the black community are showing support for her. I would bet many know what she said was wrong and anti-Semitic.

So it is true Jews are throwing boatloads of money at blacks to get them to move?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 31, 2019, 04:42:01 PM
Hammered, Yammered, Goldberg, Iceberg.
I feel like a nail.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: yitzgar on December 31, 2019, 04:45:53 PM
So it's ok to go around claiming that the reason why Black homeowners are selling is because they are threatened, not because they wanted the cash? They sold because they never dreamed that they'd get a boatload of $$ like that.

And then the Jews went around closing as many Programs that benefit the black community as possible?

And all of the sudden, boom it's legitmized...

Do you believe that it the tables were turned and a white male gunned down 2 African Americans and a white congressman wrote on Facebook that African Americans are threatening white homeowners, they would still have a job? They wouldn't call such a vigal a white supremacists gathering?
Where did you see CV justifying anything?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: whYME on December 31, 2019, 04:46:41 PM
So it is true Jews are throwing boatloads of money at blacks to get them to move?
No, it's true that Jews are offering them boatloads of money to buy their houses. (a lot more money than their houses were worth before the Jews started moving in)
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Yammer on December 31, 2019, 04:48:37 PM


I am not defending what she said. I am explaining why those in the black community are showing support for her. I would bet many know what she said was wrong and anti-Semitic.

So it is true Jews are throwing boatloads of money at blacks to get them to move?

It's true that many Ppl will defend their own, but mostly because they truly believe what she said is true. ( Which is a huge part of the problem )

If Ppl want to invest in these areas because they see huge potential, why not? It has nothing to do what race the homeowner is. Same thing happened in Lakewood,Monsey etc.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 31, 2019, 04:50:29 PM
Where did you see CV justifying anything?
Do you need a job?  :)
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=112306.0
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Chapshnell on December 31, 2019, 04:51:14 PM
No, it's true that Jews are offering them boatloads of money to buy their houses. (a lot more money than their houses were worth before the Jews started moving in)

they can say no. Their pockets cant!
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: yitzgar on December 31, 2019, 04:53:18 PM
Do you need a job?  :)
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=112306.0
Alol
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 31, 2019, 04:54:32 PM
It's true that many Ppl will defend their own, but mostly because they truly believe what she said is true. ( Which is a huge part of the problem )
I disagree that most believe it. A great example is OJ. Everyone I talked to said ya he is guilty but he deserves to get off. Say what?  ???
If Ppl want to invest in these areas because they see huge potential, why not? It has nothing to do what race the homeowner is. Same thing happened in Lakewood,Monsey etc.
I misread it then. Then are throwing this same boatload of money at Jewish family's to get them to move also?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 31, 2019, 04:55:17 PM
they can say no. Their pockets cant!
You can say that but if I do it will be racist.  ;)
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: yitzgar on December 31, 2019, 04:55:56 PM



It's true that many Ppl will defend their own, but mostly because they truly believe what she said is true.

Likely that some believe it's true, but most probably have no idea and don't care. They just circle the wagons regardless. We see it every time. (There are probably those who had no opinion before, but as a result of sticking up for their own, adopt the way of thinking that was espoused and came under attack)
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: aygart on December 31, 2019, 04:56:44 PM
. Then are throwing this same boatload of money at Jewish family's to get them to move also?
Just the opposite. They profit boatloads off of the jewish families who move in (or at least they try)
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 31, 2019, 04:58:50 PM
Just the opposite. They profit boatloads off of the jewish families who move in (or at least they try)
But if they get Jews to move also they can just resell for more.
So the question was are they throwing this same boatload of money at Jewish family's to move?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 31, 2019, 05:01:18 PM
Likely that some believe it's true, but most probably have no idea and don't care. They just circle the wagons regardless. We see it every time.
I see it with every minority out there.
Why don't others see this or do I need to inject "You need to get out more".
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: aygart on December 31, 2019, 05:02:48 PM
I see it with every minority out there.
Why don't others see this or do I need to inject "You need to get out more".
Why would they need to get out more for it? It can be seen right here on DDF!
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: whYME on December 31, 2019, 05:03:32 PM
Then are throwing this same boatload of money at Jewish family's to get them to move also?
Considering that chances are those Jewish families just paid their own boatload of money to move there recently, they won't be too keen to sell.
(so to answer your question directly, I believe that yes, those who are buying would just as well buy from a Jew, and no, they're not knocking on Jewish doors because that's just a waste of time.)
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 31, 2019, 05:06:31 PM
Considering that chances are those Jewish families just paid their own boatload of money to move there recently, they won't be too keen to sell.
(so to answer your question directly, I believe that yes, those who are buying would just as well buy from a Jew, and no, they're not knocking on Jewish doors because that's just a waste of time.)
From a black perspective if they are only approaching blacks to sell they will see it only based on race.
Don't think I can be hammered more but lets see.  :)
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Yehuda57 on December 31, 2019, 05:12:34 PM
From a black perspective if they are only approaching blacks to sell they will see it only based on race.
Don't think I can be hammered more but lets see.  :)
What is racist about buying houses above market prices?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on December 31, 2019, 05:16:14 PM
What is racist about buying houses above market prices?
Nothing unless you add more to the question.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Yammer on December 31, 2019, 05:23:20 PM


I disagree that most believe it. A great example is OJ. Everyone I talked to said ya he is guilty but he deserves to get off. Say what?  ???I misread it then. Then are throwing this same boatload of money at Jewish family's to get them to move also?

I believe I said many, not most.

1.Yes
2. Many Jews wouldn't sell, if it has the potential, they would try to do it on their own.
3. The Jews value the properties inside  the community way higher then the locals,( which is why they are offering those huge amounts )

Btw in BP there are "price wars" with the Chinese, whom are also very community minded and have bought many Jewish houses.


Likely that some believe it's true, but most probably have no idea and don't care. They just circle the wagons regardless. We see it every time. (There are probably those who had no opinion before, but as a result of sticking up for their own, adopt the way of thinking that was espoused and came under attack)

Agree]

I see it with every minority out there.
Why don't others see this or do I need to inject "You need to get out more".

My original post actually started with , "like most minority groups"...

From a black perspective if they are only approaching blacks to sell they will see it only based on race.
Don't think I can be hammered more but lets see.  :)

If it's a black neighborhood then it will be blacks, but it's because of the area...
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: TimT on December 31, 2019, 06:05:39 PM
Theyll offer money to anyone willing to sell. This is all just an excuse to attack & kill. In some neighborhoods the Chinese buy up everything, in some neighborhoods the millennials have taken over, & in some neighborhoods the blacks have taken over.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: aygart on December 31, 2019, 06:07:46 PM
Theyll offer money to anyone willing to sell. This is all just an excuse to attack & kill. In some neighborhoods the Chinese buy up everything, in some neighborhoods the millennials have taken over, & in some neighborhoods the blacks have taken over.
Of course
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ExGingi on December 31, 2019, 06:09:02 PM
Theyll offer money to anyone willing to sell. This is all just an excuse to attack & kill. In some neighborhoods the Chinese buy up everything, in some neighborhoods the millennials have taken over, & in some neighborhoods the blacks have taken over.

And in some neighborhoods there's an outcry against selling to the ארטיסטן.

In general, homeowners like gentrification, while renters will dislike it (it's all about the finances).

Where it comes to Shomer Shabbos Jews, there's a totally different part to the equation.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: TimT on December 31, 2019, 06:16:39 PM
And in some neighborhoods there's an outcry against selling to the ארטיסטן.
Any attacks & killing sprees I missed ?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ExGingi on December 31, 2019, 06:17:39 PM
Any attacks & killing sprees I missed ?

No. That's only done by.... (censored so as not to sound racist).

Then again in certain places they severely punish, maim or kill those who sell to Jews (IINM they actually have laws against selling to Jews).
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: chff on January 13, 2020, 01:27:12 PM
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/bomb-in-van-of-nj-shooting-attack-suspects-couldve-killed-people-5-football-fields-away-officials/2259079/
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: KSMH on January 13, 2020, 01:40:32 PM
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/bomb-in-van-of-nj-shooting-attack-suspects-couldve-killed-people-5-football-fields-away-officials/2259079/

SCARY
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on January 13, 2020, 01:43:19 PM
Why do they always need to hype these things. What actually happened is bad enough.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ltttc on January 13, 2020, 03:01:42 PM
Why do they always need to hype these things. What actually happened is bad enough.
'just the facts
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: KSMH on January 13, 2020, 06:38:21 PM
Why do they always need to hype these things. What actually happened is bad enough.
What hype are you referring to?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on January 13, 2020, 06:47:57 PM
What hype are you referring to?
500yd kill zone for a pipe bomb or was this a different bomb?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: KSMH on January 14, 2020, 03:22:59 AM
500yd kill zone for a pipe bomb or was this a different bomb?
What should've the GOV say?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on January 14, 2020, 10:12:02 AM
What should've the GOV say?
They originally reported he had a pipe bomb. A pipe bomb has no where near a 500 yard kill radius. I am asking was there a bigger bomb or just hype?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Toasted on January 14, 2020, 10:14:20 AM
They originally reported he had a pipe bomb. A pipe bomb has no where near a 500 yard kill radius. I am asking was there a bigger bomb or just hype?
500 yard kill radius??? Did he have the MOAB in there?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on January 14, 2020, 10:22:14 AM
500 yard kill radius??? Did he have the MOAB in there?
That is what I am asking.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: AJK on January 14, 2020, 12:06:04 PM
They originally reported he had a pipe bomb. A pipe bomb has no where near a 500 yard kill radius. I am asking was there a bigger bomb or just hype?

I truly am puzzled by your question. Do you honestly believe that the US Attorney for the state of NJ and the head of the FBI there are just making this stuff up as they go? For more clicks?

What's more likely--that those folks making stuff up (for whatever reason) or that the bomb(s) found were more powerful than previously thought/reported?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: whYME on January 14, 2020, 12:26:59 PM
I truly am puzzled by your question. Do you honestly believe that the US Attorney for the state of NJ and the head of the FBI there are just making this stuff up as they go? For more clicks?

What's more likely--that those folks making stuff up (for whatever reason) or that the bomb(s) found were more powerful than previously thought/reported?
I don't see how a bomb with a 500 yard kill radius can be confused for a "pipe bomb."
Of course you can't put too much stock in the initial news reports, when nobody really knows yet what's going on. That being said, 500 Yards is probably pushing it a little.
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FBI Newark Special Agent in Charge Gregory Ehrie said, If it exploded in the right place it could have certainly injured or killed people up to five football fields away.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: hvaces42 on January 14, 2020, 12:29:05 PM
I truly am puzzled by your question. Do you honestly believe that the US Attorney for the state of NJ and the head of the FBI there are just making this stuff up as they go? For more clicks?

What's more likely--that those folks making stuff up (for whatever reason) or that the bomb(s) found were more powerful than previously thought/reported?
Thats what you get when the people dont cite the source of the info. This is downright scary. They had a pipe bomb and material for more bom making in the truck.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ltttc on January 14, 2020, 12:31:31 PM
Thats what you get when the people dont cite the source of the info. This is downright scary. They had a pipe bomb and material for more bom making in the truck.
Carpenito also confirmed a News 4 report that several days before the shooting, a Jewish man driving near Newark Airport had been shot at; ballistics show two of the shots that hit the man's car came from one of Anderson and Graham's guns. The livery driver who died the weekend before the attack was shot with the same weapon that fired on the vehicle near the airport, authorities said.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: hvaces42 on January 14, 2020, 12:34:57 PM
Carpenito also confirmed a News 4 report that several days before the shooting, a Jewish man driving near Newark Airport had been shot at; ballistics show two of the shots that hit the man's car came from one of Anderson and Graham's guns. The livery driver who died the weekend before the attack was shot with the same weapon that fired on the vehicle near the airport, authorities said.
Stop with the Hype.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: ltttc on January 14, 2020, 01:28:45 PM
Stop with the Hype.  ;D ;D ;D
Yeh, ur right  ;)
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: AJK on January 14, 2020, 01:49:44 PM
I don't see how a bomb with a 500 yard kill radius can be confused for a "pipe bomb."
Of course you can't put too much stock in the initial news reports, when nobody really knows yet what's going on. That being said, 500 Yards is probably pushing it a little.

A big pipe bomb? You do know that pipes comes in diff shapes and sizes, right? And that there are different types of explosive materials, different composite pipes, etc?

And, again, what possible motivation does the US Attorney for NJ and the head of the FBI have for embellishing? Had he said 400 feet, or 250 feet, it would have had the same effect.

Sorry, I just don't buy that they sat around, pre-news conference, and said, "So it only would have a radius of 200 feet? Nah, that's not eye-catching enough, so let's make it 500 feet instead."
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on January 14, 2020, 02:01:38 PM
And, again, what possible motivation does the US Attorney for NJ and the head of the FBI have for embellishing? Had he said 400 feet, or 250 feet, it would have had the same effect.
The destructive power a bomb has is very important.
The OP was a news release that I responded to. Is there an official statement by the FBI?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: AJK on January 14, 2020, 02:05:11 PM
So you're questioning whether the US Attorney for NJ and the FBI ever said that?  That they are not the ones making things up, but the multiple news agencies that reported it are the ones doing it?

Sorry, I just can't get there.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on January 14, 2020, 02:19:02 PM
So you're questioning whether the US Attorney for NJ and the FBI ever said that?  That they are not the ones making things up, but the multiple news agencies that reported it are the ones doing it?

Sorry, I just can't get there.
I am questioning is this the pipe bomb they originally talked about or a different bomb.

https://newspalato.com/multiple-weapons-pipe-bomb-recovered-from-scene-of-jersey-city-shooting-officials-reveal/
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Toasted on January 14, 2020, 04:25:24 PM
So you're questioning whether the US Attorney for NJ and the FBI ever said that?  That they are not the ones making things up, but the multiple news agencies that reported it are the ones doing it?

Sorry, I just can't get there.
Fact that they said "five football fields" instead of 500 yards leads me to think that it was not intended to be an exact estimate. Maybe he meant the end zone.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on January 14, 2020, 05:12:14 PM
Maybe he meant the end zone.
LOL
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: yuneeq on January 14, 2020, 05:36:58 PM
The destructive power a bomb has is very important.
The OP was a news release that I responded to. Is there an official statement by the FBI?

They didn't release an official statement, it was a press conference with the FBI and AG.

Regarding the destructive power, 500 yards does sound like a lot. But they never said anything about leveling the area within 500 yard radius.
I could imagine a piece of shrapnel from a powerful bomb with a clear path can cause a casualty 500 yards away.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on January 14, 2020, 05:53:10 PM
They didn't release an official statement, it was a press conference with the FBI and AG.

Regarding the destructive power, 500 yards does sound like a lot. But they never said anything about leveling the area within 500 yard radius.
I could imagine a piece of shrapnel from a powerful bomb with a clear path can cause a casualty 500 yards away.
How did we get from a "kill radius" to "But they never said anything about leveling the area within 500 yard radius."?
Your spin never ceases to amaze me.  ::)

Since your imagination sees a piece shrapnel going 500 yards so what type of bomb is your imagination seeing?  :)
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: yuneeq on January 14, 2020, 06:48:20 PM
How did we get from a "kill radius" to "But they never said anything about leveling the area within 500 yard radius."?
Your spin never ceases to amaze me.  ::)

It's always spin, spin, spin. Never put words in your mouth and not looking to argue. Just clarifying that we're not talking about a blast radius that's affecting 500 yards in all directions.

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Since your imagination sees a piece shrapnel going 500 yards so what type of bomb is your imagination seeing?  :)

How about a small box with the equivalent of 20 lbs of TNT?

(https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5a904a18b27e397ab1203b41/1521737945942-VSWNHGUNBBEB9V1MJV5J/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kEw9IwR2d7rmMbpUi1h0NlZZw-zPPgdn4jUwVcJE1ZvWEtT5uBSRWt4vQZAgTJucoTqqXjS3CfNDSuuf31e0tVF7BMRAr2uYOsrbcpEDgLbspJw7P_sfVNWZ8SqdSugqaDqWIIaSPh2v08GbKqpiV54/Recommended+Evacuation+Radius?format=1000w)

Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on January 14, 2020, 07:00:21 PM
How about a small box with the equivalent of 20 lbs of TNT?
How about a van full of C-4?
You are missing the point still. First reports were of a pipe bomb. For about the 10th time I will ask again. Are we taking about the pipe bomb in the original FBI report or another bomb?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: gozalim on January 14, 2020, 07:01:31 PM
How about a small box with the equivalent of 20 lbs of TNT?

(https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5a904a18b27e397ab1203b41/1521737945942-VSWNHGUNBBEB9V1MJV5J/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kEw9IwR2d7rmMbpUi1h0NlZZw-zPPgdn4jUwVcJE1ZvWEtT5uBSRWt4vQZAgTJucoTqqXjS3CfNDSuuf31e0tVF7BMRAr2uYOsrbcpEDgLbspJw7P_sfVNWZ8SqdSugqaDqWIIaSPh2v08GbKqpiV54/Recommended+Evacuation+Radius?format=1000w)
this^^ is good.
maybe just me, but odds that law enforcement spokesperson quoted to media was citing standardized evacuation radius distances are pretty good.

but the good count is so far gone in his contrarian (albeit valid) TDS that he can't think straight. otherwise mr. goalposts would be advocating here that we blindly listen to the professionals/law enforcement (like gin control/iran/what else am i missing)
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: CountValentine on January 14, 2020, 07:03:23 PM
this^^ is good.
maybe just me, but odds that law enforcement spokesperson quoted to media was citing standardized evacuation radius distances are pretty good.

but the good count is so far gone in his contrarian (albeit valid) TDS that he can't think straight. otherwise mr. goalposts would be advocating here that we blindly listen to the professionals/law enforcement (like gin control/iran/what else am i missing)
What does Trump have to do with this?
See my signature.  ::)
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: yuneeq on January 20, 2020, 02:01:04 PM
How about a van full of C-4?
You are missing the point still. First reports were of a pipe bomb. For about the 10th time I will ask again. Are we taking about the pipe bomb in the original FBI report or another bomb?

In the press conference I didn't see that they mentioned a pipe bomb. Could it have been a large pipe bomb?
Or making an educated guess based on that chart, probably was something a bit bigger than a pipe bomb, like a brief case or box.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Luvisrael on March 02, 2020, 06:07:02 PM
So my understanding of what the feeling forwards this is that this incident is isolated and in matter of fact the perps arent even locals and the Jewish community lives in harmony with their neighbors. Well just now I went to the store because I happen to be in the area and I wanted to stop in to get a feel for things. A chassidish man walked out of the shul so I approached him asking if the store is open. A second later a man walks by, yelling on top of his lungs, look at those two devils and proceeds to spit at the store/memorial.  This was my experience visiting this location for the first time, in the first moment...
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: EliJelly on March 03, 2020, 12:50:19 AM
So my understanding of what the feeling forwards this is that this incident is isolated and in matter of fact the perps arent even locals and the Jewish community lives in harmony with their neighbors. Well just now I went to the store because I happen to be in the area and I wanted to stop in to get a feel for things. A chassidish man walked out of the shul so I approached him asking if the store is open. A second later a man walks by, yelling on top of his lungs, look at those two devils and proceeds to spit at the store/memorial.  This was my experience visiting this location for the first time, in the first moment...
Wow, Sad!
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: hvaces42 on March 06, 2020, 12:17:39 PM
So my understanding of what the feeling forwards this is that this incident is isolated and in matter of fact the perps arent even locals and the Jewish community lives in harmony with their neighbors. Well just now I went to the store because I happen to be in the area and I wanted to stop in to get a feel for things. A chassidish man walked out of the shul so I approached him asking if the store is open. A second later a man walks by, yelling on top of his lungs, look at those two devils and proceeds to spit at the store/memorial.  This was my experience visiting this location for the first time, in the first moment...
https://nypost.com/2020/03/06/nj-man-threatened-property-manager-at-kosher-deli-where-gunmen-killed-3-prosecutor/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Luvisrael on March 06, 2020, 12:22:23 PM
I honestly cant understand how heimish people are living there. Its quite the hood.
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: whYME on March 06, 2020, 12:31:37 PM
I honestly cant understand how heimish people are living there. Its quite the hood.
I saw this post and I had to check what thread I was in because this can be talking about a lot of places :)
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Luvisrael on March 07, 2020, 11:12:14 PM
I saw this post and I had to check what thread I was in because this can be talking about a lot of places :)
like?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: aygart on March 07, 2020, 11:24:44 PM
like?
Crown Heights?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: Luvisrael on March 08, 2020, 12:47:12 AM
Crown Heights?
Have you ever been in Jersey City?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: yesitsme on October 27, 2020, 07:40:11 PM
How is life in Jersey City, life is back to normal?
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: YitzyS on October 27, 2020, 08:28:39 PM
Here is an interesting press release recently put out that pertains to this story:

https://www.justice.gov/usao-nj/pr/monmouth-county-man-admits-unlawfully-possessing-firearm
Title: Re: Active Shooter Jersey City
Post by: TimT on November 30, 2020, 04:06:39 PM
First Yahrtzeit
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