Booked to fly CX F JFK-YVR-JFK in 2 weeks.No travel plans, but let just say that I wouldnt even book a first class price mistake traveling through the region or with passengers from the region. Not going south because of Zika was easy (fun fact, got a bad flu on a flight when every outlet was talking about it and was treated as a potential Zika patient at the ER until tests came back) but this is going to be a tough one if it doesnt peak until May or June!
Wondering if I should cancel...
Have you changed your travel plans over the Wuhan Coronavirus?
Booked to fly CX F JFK-YVR-JFK in 2 weeks.Dont forget to grab a bottle if you decide to go https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/vancouver-news/traveling-containers-heads-yvr-photos-2054517
Wondering if I should cancel...
Have you changed your travel plans over the Wuhan Coronavirus?
Booked to fly CX F JFK-YVR-JFK in 2 weeks.
Wondering if I should cancel...
Have you changed your travel plans over the Wuhan Coronavirus?
Post here for the best preventative methods:https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=37255.0;topicseen
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=3331.msg2182991#msg2182991
Take it from an EMT perspective
would I change my flight
NO
Would constantly wash my hands before after and during the fight
Yes
Booked to fly CX F JFK-YVR-JFK in 2 weeks.
Wondering if I should cancel...
Have you changed your travel plans over the Wuhan Coronavirus?
Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly are you concerned about if youre not going near China.Both.
Is it the FAs youre worried about it or is it the passengers on the return flight most likely connecting from China?
Take it from an EMT perspective
would I change my flight
NO
Would constantly wash my hands before after and during the fight
Yes
Both.And the Plane not well sanitized after carrying people and luggage from China.
How's the Chinese economy not going to collapse if this goes on much longer?
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/02/03/asia/coronavirus-doctor-whistle-blower-intl-hnk/index.htmlYou can never trust the Chinese gov. scared to think how much worse it can be, but they're not saying.
You can never trust the Chinese gov. scared to think how much worse it can be, but they're not saying.Now the conspiracy is did they release the virus by accident...
Now the conspiracy is did they release the virus by accident...
Booked to fly CX F JFK-YVR-JFK in 2 weeks.Nobody else here booked on CX?
Wondering if I should cancel...
Have you changed your travel plans over the Wuhan Coronavirus?
AA has suspended all flights to Hong Kong.https://onemileatatime.com/american-airlines-suspends-hong-kong-flights/
China is set to open Wuhan's Huoshenshan Hospital on Monday. The 1,000-bed facility was built in 10 days to cope with the coronavirus outbreak https://t.co/w40vKsuwVk pic.twitter.com/JqFcFGLaLu
— TIME (@TIME) February 3, 2020
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-china-can-build-a-coronavirus-hospital-in-10-days-11580397751
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Agreed. But incredible nonethelessYou ain't been to Lakewood? ;)
Agreed. But incredible nonetheless
Nobody else here booked on CX?Not sure I'd wanna take the risk under current circumstances
You ain't been to Lakewood? ;)lol
Now the conspiracy is did they release the virus by accident...
Nobody else here booked on CX?
Will they cancel the Olympics? Shinzo Abe thinks not...Olympics are in Japan. Doubtful they'd cancel. Will they quarantine Chinese athletes and spectators for 14 days before allowing th in? Possibly.
LY suspending its flights to Hong Kong, JPost reports
It probably wasn't making much money with empty flights. (https://www.bhol.co.il/news/1076583)Wow.
Some videos from within ChinaCrazy.
Taking lady away
https://i.4cdn.org/gif/1581090343484.webm
Scene at hotel/hospital
Locking people in their homes
People are expected to just die of hunger in their homes??I mean if not for the UN, countries would keep invading each other.
This is all enabled by the UN. I don't think I'm that far off if I state that the UN is responsible for the most lives lost since WW2.
https://mobile.twitter.com/HillelNeuer/status/1225453189476032513
Wow.
Any YouTube link to that video?
I mean if not for the UN, countries would keep invading each other.Because now they would never think of such a thing
VIDEO: Early morning scene in #Wuhan - hundreds dressed in hazmat suits preparing to enter tower block. pic.twitter.com/uJObUkd30Z #coronavirus #Hubei #CCP #ChinaCoronaVirus #PRC 🇨🇳
— Sam Pye (@freddie1999) February 3, 2020
I mean if not for the UN, countries would keep invading each other.You left out the sarcasm emoji.
You left out the sarcasm emoji.
Some more vidsScary. Reminds one how evil communism really is.
Gas - https://i.4cdn.org/gif/1581081111666.webm
Guns - https://i.4cdn.org/gif/1581080709674.webm
More guns - https://i.4cdn.org/gif/1581092058083.webm
Barricaded in - https://i.4cdn.org/gif/1581205699692.webm
Another house locked up - https://i.4cdn.org/gif/1581204288126.webm
Hospital (graphic) https://i.4cdn.org/gif/1581082701024.webm
Mayhem in hospital/shelter - https://i.4cdn.org/gif/1581080774134.webm
Hundreds(?) of doctors swarming a buildingVIDEO: Early morning scene in #Wuhan - hundreds dressed in hazmat suits preparing to enter tower block. pic.twitter.com/uJObUkd30Z #coronavirus #Hubei #CCP #ChinaCoronaVirus #PRC 🇨🇳
— Sam Pye (@freddie1999) February 3, 2020
Citizen journalist enters hospital, gets detained shortly after:
one thing I fail to understand why they have to lock in the people into their buildings?..Ostensibly so they shouldn't infect others.
Ostensibly so they shouldn't infect others.I wonder what would be done if c"v such a thing happened here. I can't imagine they would be so cruel, but on the other hand, how would they prevent the disease from spreading? Maybe over here it would be caught earlier and not covered up like it seems to have been in China and that would prevent it from becoming such a serious issue in the first place, but that may not always be reliable.
I wonder what would be done if c"v such a thing happened here. I can't imagine they would be so cruel, but on the other hand, how would they prevent the disease from spreading? Maybe over here it would be caught earlier and not covered up like it seems to have been in China and that would prevent it from becoming such a serious issue in the first place, but that may not always be reliable.look at the cruise ship ongoing story. they have locked 3700 people in their rooms and anyone with inner rooms are allowed on deck for an hour a day.
look at the cruise ship ongoing story. they have locked 3700 people in their rooms and anyone with inner rooms are allowed on deck for an hour a day.That is so much of a smaller scale in addition to that they are stuck on the ship as much as if it had the doors welded shut.
oh and for the compensation thread, if they live, they get a free cruise... as if they'd ever get back on a ship
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/02/10/804440928/diamond-princess-cruise-ship-has-65-more-coronavirus-cases-in-japan
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/coronavirus-china-live-updates/2020/02/10/67115416-4b9a-11ea-bf44-f5043eb3918a_story.html
That is so much of a smaller scale in addition to that they are stuck on the ship as much as if it had the doors welded shut.exactly and so far no riots yet
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Booked to fly CX F JFK-YVR-JFK in 2 weeks.So did you cancel?
Wondering if I should cancel...
Have you changed your travel plans over the Wuhan Coronavirus?
So did you cancel?I think he said he did on DDMS.
I think he said he did on DDMS.Was wondering same.
Should I consider not flying to TLV bcuz of the craziness? Is that already my OCD? I feel like flying in times like this, for leisure, is just to be avoided. nonsense or totally off?
Was wondering same.
I saw people walking around US airports with masks last week.actually all over NYC you see this. esp Chinese.
actually all over NYC you see this. esp Chinese.Yeah but Chinese always wore masks everywhere
I think he said he did on DDMS.
Should I consider not flying to TLV bcuz of the craziness? Is that already my OCD? I feel like flying in times like this, for leisure, is just to be avoided. nonsense or totally off?
Somehow numbers spiked today by 15k. now past 60k confirmed caseshttps://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-13/china-coronavirus-cases-jump-after-counting-method-revision
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-13/coronavirus-could-infect-two-thirds-of-globe-researcher-sayshashem yishmor
World of Hyatt Extends Tier Status And Benefits, Advancing Care For Members During COVID-19
CHICAGO (February 19, 2020) In response to the COVID-19 situation, World of Hyatt today announced that it will be offering members residing in the Asia Pacific region a series of tier status and benefits extensions, including:
Qualifying World of Hyatt Discoverist, Explorist and Globalist members will now have a new tier expiration of February 28, 2022 rather than February 28, 2021 to maintain their elite tier status and benefits.
Currently valid Suite Upgrade Awards, Club Access Awards and Free Night Awards that expire in 2020 for qualifying members will be extended through December 31, 2021.
World of Hyatt is also working to evaluate tier and benefit extensions for global members who travel frequently to the Asia Pacific region.
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World of Hyatt is actively working to update qualifying members accounts to reflect the extension of elite tier status and award validity and expects these changes to be made by March 31, 2020. Qualifying members will receive information regarding these updates through email, My Hyatt Concierge, WeChat communications and more. Members with questions regarding their tier status can contact the nearest Hyatt Global Contact Center, reach Hyatt via WeChat (WeChat ID: HyattHotels) or email worldofhyatt@hyatt.com.
Hyatt remains committed to caring for its colleagues, guests and customers, as well as the communities in which Hyatt hotels operate. To further care for communities impacted by the current global health crisis, Hyatt has made a meaningful donation to the China Womens Development Foundation, a national public foundation that has been actively working to support the emergency relief works, including donation of medical equipment and care programs for frontline medical members and their families during this crisis.
Hyatt locations globally will continue to closely monitor the COVID-19 situation, remain vigilant and follow recommended procedures and protocols from various health organizations including the World Health Organization (WHO), U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and local authorities in an effort to ensure the continued safety and wellbeing of guests and colleagues.
For more information, please visit hyatt.com.
https://newsroom.hyatt.com/news-releases?item=123947 (https://newsroom.hyatt.com/news-releases?item=123947)That's pretty awesome. Hyatt is always keeping it classy.
Don't worry about visiting Florida! People in Florida are immune to Coronavirus, as long as censorship is in place.More dangerous than the virus is the fear it causes. Some level of censorship should be in place to protect stupid Americans from themselves.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/health-care/article240390676.html
More dangerous than the virus is the fear it causes. Some level of censorship should be in place to protect stupid Americans from themselves.
Not that the government should stop the media from posting things, but the government should withhold certain facts that the people don't have to know.
https://newsroom.hyatt.com/news-releases?item=123947Marriott doing something right for a change.
Marriott doing something right for a change.More like copying other programs. I'm sure they'll find a way to cause more headaches for people with this though.
https://onemileatatime.com/marriott-bonvoy-china/ (https://onemileatatime.com/marriott-bonvoy-china/)
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/1582400752-israel-some-90-high-school-students-in-isolation-after-coming-in-contact-with-virus-carrying-koreans
does anybody knew how to check the flights still going in to chinajust make sure to be safe!!
does anybody knew how to check the flights still going in to china
Check what exactly? Youre looking to get quarantined?which airlines are still flying to airport x
which airlines are still flying to airport xif ur going go to the wall, its probably the safest place in china, ull be the only one there
thank you for your concern but i am looking at what are the options to go to china
p.s. no its not to see the great wall
which airlines are still flying to airport x
thank you for your concern but i am looking at what are the options to go to china
p.s. no its not to see the great wall
Check what exactly? Youre looking to get quarantined?Where are all the MYOB police?
Youre Likely to Get the Coronavirushttps://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/news-roundup/sunday-news-roundup-2-16-20-new-us-airlines-cruise-quarantines-reclinegate-yiddish-harry-potter-aeroplan-infant-awards/#Will_Coronavirus_Infect_23rds_Of_The_Planet
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/covid-vaccine/607000/
Curious if DDFers are tread ting COV-19 more or less seriously than Zika vis-a-vis travel.
Astonishing! This lady says she saw several people wrapped into bags while still breathing. Burned while alive!
— Jennifer Zeng 曾錚 (@jenniferatntd) February 24, 2020
震惊!真的是烧活人啊!「我们都看到的,亲眼看的嘛……真是想到寒心呐……」#COVID2019 #Coronavirus #CoronavirusOutbreak #coronaviruschina #武汉肺炎 #新冠肺炎 #新冠病毒 pic.twitter.com/ToLfzz7ZXn
I am flying to Israel next week for a family simcha. My boss mentioned to me that HR has been discussing what to do about people who travel overseas, and it's possible that they might make me work from home when I get back. Anyone else's company considering something like this?I know of companies that have been doing that already. But only for travelers to Asian countries for now.
Breaking: Guests staying at the H10 Costa Adeje Palace in Tenerife have been told to stay in their rooms. They were told via a letter put under their door, which a guest has sent me.
— Catherine Wyatt (@catherinehwyatt) February 25, 2020
what do the chinese people expect? that the government let it spread even more? its a difficult situation but if it would be in the U.S. wouldn't it spread faster because of political correctness?
im trying to think what, if anything, makes sense in this situation ???
what do the chinese people expect? that the government let it spread even more? its a difficult situation but if it would be in the U.S. wouldn't it spread faster because of political correctness?agree thats the scary part about it
im trying to think what, if anything, makes sense in this situation ???
Killing people is not political incorrectnessNo, but unfortunately, letting people die is a result of PC at times.
Killing people is not political incorrectnessI agree. but its so difficult to know what is better. to let these people infect million others?
I agree. but its so difficult to know what is better. to let these people infect million others?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problemand links a Chazon Ish ... wow!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem
I agree. but its so difficult to know what is better. to let these people infect million others?You can quarantine them, but you don't have to kill them or be ruthless about it.
Video dump.
From 12 days ago but still puts COVID19 into perspective:
https://youtu.be/6dDD2tHWWnU?t=81
Graphic scenes from China:
https://nullvideo.com/user/JW293PQS/ewJz5aW
Recovered patient describing patients that were put in body bags (and cremated) while still breathing (translation is correct, FWIW)Astonishing! This lady says she saw several people wrapped into bags while still breathing. Burned while alive!
— Jennifer Zeng 曾錚 (@jenniferatntd) February 24, 2020
震惊!真的是烧活人啊!「我们都看到的,亲眼看的嘛……真是想到寒心呐……」#COVID2019 #Coronavirus #CoronavirusOutbreak #coronaviruschina #武汉肺炎 #新冠肺炎 #新冠病毒 pic.twitter.com/ToLfzz7ZXn
Which travel insurance are people buying in case coronavirus spreads to a place they have booked for travel? Do any credit card travel insurances cover this?
I haven't seen any exclusions on travel policies (yet), so as long as it covers medical emergencies, one should be OK. However, since this virus seems to have an incubation period, one might be back (and even symptom free) while having contracted it.
Which travel insurance are people buying in case coronavirus spreads to a place they have booked for travel? Do any credit card travel insurances cover this?
Or, you simply want to cancel your trip because you dont think your trip to Venice is such a great idea anymore.
Something like this. Does anything like this exist?Some policies have cancel for any reason if purchased within 21 days of first travel booking with 75% reimbursement. Or if your work can give you a letter forbidding you to travel, cancel for work reason should apply.
Some policies have cancel for any reason if purchased within 21 days of first travel booking with 75% reimbursement. Or if your work can give you a letter forbidding you to travel.
IINM cancel for any reason isn't available in NY. It is available on some policies in most other states.It definitely was available a few years ago. I used it.
It definitely was available a few years ago. I used it.
Interesting. Most policies I've looked at didn't make cancel for any reason available in NY.That's a new thing I think, about a year ago or so depending on the insurance company
It definitely was available a few years ago. I used it.which company?
Some people might get blocked for other reasons - theyve traveled to -- recently and the destination country is no longer allowing visitors that were in - in the last 14 days. Or, you simply want to cancel your trip because you dont think your trip to Venice is such a great idea anymore.This.
This.I think it's generally based on official advisories in the area. Beyond that I guess YMMV depending on how persistent you are.
Was wondering what the criteria would be for trip cancelation these days to places in Europe.
which company?Not sure. Maybe Ross Fire or something like that. Squaremouth makes it very easy to find.
I think it's generally based on official advisories in the area. Beyond that I guess YMMV depending on how persistent you are.What happens if a doctor advises someone not to travel?
What happens if a doctor advises someone not to travel?I don't have personal experience with this but I know in general, based on what I have heard from other people, doctor's notes do help.
What happens if a doctor advises someone not to travel?
I don't have personal experience with this but I know in general, based on what I have heard from other people, doctor's notes do help.I would double check with the insurance company, though, as coverage may exclude 'pandemics'.
I'm not talking specific to this virus though. Still, I think YMMV depending on your specific situation and how much patience you have.
Whoa - https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-unprecedented-move-israelis-advised-to-avoid-all-travel-over-virus-fears/why would this make Israel any less safe than the US?
I'm getting a little worried, I have a flight for Israel on Sunday and debating if I should still go or not.
why would this make Israel any less safe than the US?Traveling is less safe, and Israel may close down the border resulting in no flights home.
Traveling is less safe, and Israel may close down the border resulting in no flights home.i cant imaging them keeping people in the country who want to leave
Traveling is less safe, and Israel may close down the border resulting in no flights home.Holy land is not the worst place to be stuck....
Holy land is not the worst place to be stuck....Tell that to the wife ;D
Traveling is less safe, and Israel may close down the border resulting in no flights home.Exactly - if less people travel, there are fewer people who might need to be quarantined on the way back.
Holy land is not the worst place to be stuck....
i cant imaging them keeping people in the country who want to leaveThere is a mandatory quarantine now for people who were in Korea, Japan, Thailand, etc.
they might not let you come in anymore
World War Z
Without even thinking about deaths, I'm Just thinking of industries that can be destroyed by this. even if it does not last too much longer:Plenty of Amazon sellers, mainly private label guys.
1)airlines. countries barring entry literally means planes will be parked. i cant imagine international airlines can survive if flights are halted for 3 months.
2)china production means our goods will be delayed, more expensive or supply will just be an issue.
3)If above happens, thats when it really affects the stock market. whcih causes financial issues overall.
sounds kinda scary :-[
Plenty of Amazon sellers, mainly private label guys.
why would this make Israel any less safe than the US?
It's happening.
Coronavirus in California: C.D.C. Confirms Possible Community Transmission Case https://nyti.ms/3c8O1KJ
Without even thinking about deaths, I'm Just thinking of industries that can be destroyed by this. even if it does not last too much longer:#2= a serious#3
1)airlines. countries barring entry literally means planes will be parked. i cant imagine international airlines can survive if flights are halted for 3 months.
2)china production means our goods will be delayed, more expensive or supply will just be an issue.
3)If above happens, thats when it really affects the stock market. whcih causes financial issues overall.
sounds kinda scary :-[
Plenty of Amazon sellers, mainly private label guys.Your kidding?
BREAKING: Masoumeh Ebtekar, one of Iran's vice presidents, has tested positive for coronavirus - IRNA
— BNO Newsroom (@BNODesk) February 27, 2020
Clearly a Zionist plot ;DBREAKING: Masoumeh Ebtekar, one of Iran's vice presidents, has tested positive for coronavirus - IRNA
— BNO Newsroom (@BNODesk) February 27, 2020
In other words - The Electronic Device you're going to buy in June, which will be manufactured in April will be delayed because of parts that were not made in FebruaryThat's all? I am hearing words about problems in the supply chain in the Kashrus world...
That's all? I am hearing words about problems in the supply chain in the Kashrus world...
As stated above, as a non-citizen you won't get quarantined, you'd just be sent home. If you haven't been to Italy or the far east, I think there is very little chance of getting denied entry.
Thanks, this made feel a lot better.
I think the main issue is the flight. Thats the most likely place of catching anything.Can wear an N95 if you're nervous
Can wear an N95 if you're nervous
Domestically, I'd be willing to fly right now.
That's all? I am hearing words about problems in the supply chain in the Kashrus world...At least we are past most (all?) pesach runs.
As for industry - while some of the interruptions are immediate, understand that there is going to be a supply chain lag - i.e. Stores/retailers have inventory now, as do some factories, and those factories and their suppliers have components at hand. But if this shuts down component manufacture, it will have a lagged impact on the consumer.
In other words - The Electronic Device you're going to buy in June, which will be manufactured in April will be delayed because of parts that were not made in February
https://www.foxnews.com/health/cdc-warns-men-about-facial-hair-dangers-amid-coronavirus-fears(http://)Toothbrush looks more like a villain than villain does...
IINM cancel for any reason isn't available in NY. It is available on some policies in most other states.It is avail with Allianz, when booked through an agent. PM for details
It is avail with Allianz, when booked through an agent. PM for details
Your clients can enjoy the extra flexibility of knowing they can cancel their trip for almost any unforeseen reason that the Classic plan does not already cover at 100% and receive 80% of their non-refundable trip cost back in cash. With features like comprehensive trip cancellation, primary emergency medical coverage and 24-hour travel assistance, the Classic with Cancel Anytime plan is there if life throws an unexpected wrench in your clients' travel plans. Plan must be purchased on or before the final trip payment date and must cover the full non-refundable trip cost ($10,000 maximum)
You are correct. I missed that. Most people call me just before they leave, so they aren't really interested in that kind of coverage, and definitely won't pay for it.how much would sucha plan cost?
how much would sucha plan cost?It would obviously depend on the "full non-refundable trip cost" as well as other factors.
https://www.facebook.com/CORKosher/photos/a.276299072448388/2746275255450745/?type=3&theater
Seriously, people are insane. There have only been a couple cases in the whole of Toronto and even if there were, not going to a kosher restaurant because of workers being immigrants from a certain country?? And all the people on here talking about cancelling travel plans that are nowhere near Asia or the Iranian city of Qom also seem like a total overreaction...Call me insane, but I'm uncomfortable traveling
https://www.facebook.com/CORKosher/photos/a.276299072448388/2746275255450745/?type=3&theaterFTR If I walk into a restaurant and the cook is wearing a "clinical mask" and surgeon gloves I'm walking right out and not looking back...
Call me insane, but I'm uncomfortable traveling
FTR If I walk into a restaurant and the cook is wearing a "clinical mask" and surgeon gloves I'm walking right out and not looking back...
Ok you got: You are insane :P
Seriously, the likelihood of getting it is SUPER small an then even if you did get it (assuming you are a healthy adult), the likelihood of you even having a case bad enough to go to the hospital is less than half, much less the likelihood of getting hospitalized and then having some kind of adverse outcome.
LOL...so true! They are making the perceptions way worse.... :oI always say if i walk into a pizza store and see a picture of R Shayala Kerestirer, Ill find somewhere else to eat
The likelihood of catching COVID19 isn't small, it's super contagious and the risk of catching during travel while unknown, it's certainly much higher risk than not traveling. And you're forgetting the chance of potentially getting quarantined for 14 days or denied entry. There's no way to plan for this, and there's no warnings. Italy was completely fine last week, but you'd have called someone crazy for canceling a trip to Milan.
FTR If I walk into a restaurant and the cook is wearing a "clinical mask" and surgeon gloves I'm walking right out and not looking back...and if he doesn't that makes you more comfortable?
https://www.facebook.com/CORKosher/photos/a.276299072448388/2746275255450745/?type=3&theaterI just came here to post that :)
https://www.facebook.com/CORKosher/photos/a.276299072448388/2746275255450745/?type=3&theaterMy gut feeling tells me that if this place is at risk of going under it's probably not actually because of coronavirus
My gut feeling tells me that if this place is at risk of going under it's probably not actually because of coronavirusToronto restaurants go out of business on a regular day. Wouldn't take much to close most down.
https://www.facebook.com/CORKosher/photos/a.276299072448388/2746275255450745/?type=3&theater
The likelihood of catching it while next to someone who has it isn't small but the likelihood of catching it on any single flight is most definitely TEENY!
You are saying the risk on any single flight is TEENY as if that is a fact, but the risk may in fact be huge. We can't assess risk until we know how widespread the virus is and it takes time to find out. Are you traveling to a place that implemented extensive testing before a breakout, and has the proper protocols in place? Well, there isn't a single country that started testing potential cases before their breakouts. Italy, South Korea, Iran, and other countries are starting to find out now how many people were infected the last couple weeks. You don't think that any flight in those countries was pretty risky a week before they started confirming cases en masse?
Who is the next Italy - do you know? It can be Germany, Spain, Brazil, Canada, France, and heck maybe even the US.
You are saying the risk on any single flight is TEENY as if that is a fact, but the risk may in fact be huge. We can't assess risk until we know how widespread the virus is and it takes time to find out. Are you traveling to a place that implemented extensive testing before a breakout, and has the proper protocols in place? Well, there isn't a single country that started testing potential cases before their breakouts. Italy, South Korea, Iran, and other countries are starting to find out now how many people were infected the last couple weeks. You don't think that any flight in those countries was pretty risky a week before they started confirming cases en masse?
Who is the next Italy - do you know? It can be Germany, Spain, Brazil, Canada, France, and heck maybe even the US.
Two more interesting links from Israel:
The Ministry of Health setup a quarantine registration site: https://govextra.gov.il/ministry-of-health/corona/corona-virus-en/
According to this catch-all update from the Times Of Israel - https://www.timesofisrael.com/el-al-suspends-flights-to-italy-thailand-over-1700-israelis-quarantined/, the Ministry of Health doesn't want you to come to the hospital if you came in contact or had symptoms. It wants you to call MDA, and have them come to check you out and determine what needs to happen.
You are correct. I missed that. Most people call me just before they leave, so they aren't really interested in that kind of coverage, and definitely won't pay for it.
From the Jerusalem Post - "Israeli scientists: 'In a few weeks, we will have coronavirus vaccine'so basically they're saying that... more people will start dying now?
https://www.jpost.com/HEALTH-SCIENCE/Israeli-scientists-In-three-weeks-we-will-have-coronavirus-vaccine-619101 (https://www.jpost.com/HEALTH-SCIENCE/Israeli-scientists-In-three-weeks-we-will-have-coronavirus-vaccine-619101)
From the Jerusalem Post - "Israeli scientists: 'In a few weeks, we will have coronavirus vaccine'Whats BDS gonna do?
https://www.jpost.com/HEALTH-SCIENCE/Israeli-scientists-In-three-weeks-we-will-have-coronavirus-vaccine-619101
This is besides that in the closed cramped quarters of the plane it may be more likely to spread.
Again, you are mistaking statistical overall risk with incidental risk. Obviously, I can't know what your risk on one particular flight is but we can estimate the risk of taking one flight among thousands in a world of 7 billion people that even if they are undereported has maybe a couple hundred thousand cases. I'm trying to focus on the thought processes that cause hysteria. I also don't know when or where the next lightning strike will be but I do know my overall risk of getting struck is pretty low. But hey lots of people waste millions on lotto tickets too so I know people overestimate their odds for the both the positive and negative! :)
Whats BDS gonna do?Die 🙏
BREAKING: Mexico confirms first case of coronavirus https://t.co/eUoE2b20hL
— BNO Newsroom (@BNODesk) February 28, 2020
Whats BDS gonna do?
Whats BDS gonna do?
From the Jerusalem Post - "Israeli scientists: 'In a few weeks, we will have coronavirus vaccine'
https://www.jpost.com/HEALTH-SCIENCE/Israeli-scientists-In-three-weeks-we-will-have-coronavirus-vaccine-619101
Not sure why people get excited about this. Almost every health official saying it's likely that the earliest vaccine will not be released until at least 12-18 months, and that's considered extremely quick. It won't stop the spread in the US right now. You can't simply inject billions of healthy people with a vaccine that hasn't gone through the clinical trials process.Part of the advantage here is that they "Just happened" to e testing on coronaviruses already.
Part of the advantage here is that they "Just happened" to e testing on coronaviruses already.
Part of the advantage here is that they "Just happened" to e testing on coronaviruses already.
Anyone think what will be with Pesach hotels if this thing spreads all over USA? Gonna be a issue*if
Anyone think what will be with Pesach hotels if this thing spreads all over USA? Gonna be a issueLots of things will be in an issue if it indeed spreads
Anyone think what will be with Pesach hotels if this thing spreads all over USA? Gonna be a issue
Anyone think what will be with Pesach hotels if this thing spreads all over USA? Gonna be a issueWhat about hotels in Israel as it stands now?
*if*when
Another 2 deaths reported from the giant petri dish known as the Diamond Princess, raising the total to 6 deaths/705 confirmed cases/34 serious/10 recoveries. This massive real-life lab experiment should shed a lot of insight in the next month or so as to how deadly COVID really is, though the numbers need to be analyzed by each demographic group. So far it ain't looking good :(
Should I be concerned to Wear clothing recently made In/ brought from China?no the bacteria cant live for so long in clothing
Should I be concerned to Wear clothing recently made In/ brought from China?Only if you're eating in a chinese restaurant.
Only if you're eating in a chinese restaurant.
That combination will kill you.
::)
no the bacteria cant live for so long in clothingwhats called so long? it was custom made very recently and shipped to me.
Can you get a Corona beer with dinner?i just heard on the radio that many people arent buying corona beer lol
i just heard on the radio that many people arent buying corona beer lolThose are the same people who googled "what is India" after hearing about Trumps trip.
whats called so long? it was custom made very recently and shipped to me.My Indochino suit which arrived yesterday is still sitting on my porch. I really would like to see a source with facts as to if theres a risk or not before I wear it for shabbos
Also do you have a source?
i just heard on the radio that many people arent buying corona beer lol
My Indochino suit which arrived yesterday is still sitting on my porch. I really would like to see a source with facts as to if theres a risk or not before I wear it for shabbosI remember seeing it somewhere cant find it now
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51673053
Crazy
i just heard on the radio that many people arent buying corona beer lol
My Indochino suit which arrived yesterday is still sitting on my porch. I really would like to see a source with facts as to if theres a risk or not before I wear it for shabbos
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/iran-to-sentence-citizens-who-spreads-rumors-about-coronavirus-to-flogging-three-years-in-prison/The found the best healthcare solution! Flogging! Why do you think it doesn't work?
The found the best healthcare solution! Flogging! Why do you think it doesn't work?There are also reports of China shooting people that were sick
The Chinese also started out by sending the police to the doctor who warned about the virus.
Since the outset I've been telling people that the ultimate cure for Corona is Heineken.And here I thought it was Heinekin which needed a cure.
Since the outset I've been telling people that the ultimate cure for Corona is Heineken.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/iran-to-sentence-citizens-who-spreads-rumors-about-coronavirus-to-flogging-three-years-in-prison/I highly commend the Iranian authorities on their inaction, long may it continue
It's fine. Can't survive on surfaces for any extended period of time.Why than do they spray down buildings , airplanes etc.?
Why than do they spray down buildings , airplanes etc.?
https://newsroom.hyatt.com/news-releases?item=123947Some people got an extension just by calling.
Maybe its time for Shuls and Yeshivos to incorporate Tihilim into the davening, if they haven't already....Will CBC approve?
no the bacteria cant live for so long in clothingVirus ≠ bacteria
Virus ≠ bacteriaThanks! Very informative!
And viruses aren't "alive."
This is an interesting article about how long viruses remain viable outside of a host. (The article is an older article and is not talking about the current coronavirus, but is likely similar, as coronaviruses are enveloped, as well.)
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/how-long-do-cold-and-flu-viruses-stay-contagious-on-public-surfaces
A patient with a suspected case of the coronavirus is being treated at Bayshore Medical Center in Holmdel, NJ. The person is being held in isolation while the hospital awaits the results of a test for the virus. It will be a few days before the test is returned.
Maybe its time for Shuls and Yeshivos to incorporate Tihilim into the davening, if they haven't already....
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/patient-at-nj-hospital-being-treated-for-possible-covid-19-spokesperson/2307236/that's good to know.
A patient at Bayshore Medical Center in Holmdel, New Jersey has tested negative for the novel coronavirus, officials said.
It is avail with Allianz, when booked through an agent. PM for details
Direct quote from The head of WHO today in The Telegraph:
"For the moment, we are not witnessing the uncontained global spread of this virus and we are not witnessing large-scale severe disease or deaths," Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, the WHO director general, said.
"Does this virus have pandemic potential? Absolutely it has. Are we there yet from our assessment? Not yet."
He added: "I have spoken consistently about the need for facts not fear, using the word pandemic now does not fit the facts but may certainly cause fear."
I try really hard to not make things personal on DDF and people posting on this thread seem very caring and like they are trying to help people but please guys dont casually use very frightening, serious and untrue words (I wish Pandemic wasnt even in the title of the thread). Please everyone just stay informed. Always best to protect yourself but also to wait and see what actually happens without falling prey to mass hysteria.
Here is a great article today out of Johns Hopkins directly comparing the Corona Virus to the flu, so people can see the differences and similarities:
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu (https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu)
After checking the details, it does not cover Coronavirus even though it is a cancel anytime plan. Something to do with an exclusion for epidemicWhat if you don't tell them why you are cancelling? Cancel Anytime should work if you just "changed your mind"...?
What if you don't tell them why you are cancelling? Cancel Anytime should work if you just "changed your mind"...?
An excellent speech by Singapore’s Health Minister Mr. Gan Kim Yong.
— Azhar Laghari 🇵🇰 (@AzharAliLeghari) February 28, 2020
An excellent way of describing #coronavirus #CoronaVirusUpdates pic.twitter.com/SWFWgYnp3T
@ExGingi could explain it betterWhat does that mean? I can't see why it shouldn't work
With this update, the number of fatalities worldwide has reached 3,000. More than 88,000 confirmed cases, of which 42,417 people have recovered. https://t.co/fwXixmbGpt
— BNO Newsroom (@BNODesk) March 1, 2020
What does that mean? I can't see why it shouldn't work
Excellent articles @yuneeq, thank you!
Statement from New York Governor Cuomo on the state's first case of coronavirus https://t.co/eUoE2b20hL pic.twitter.com/2ZXcq9dHqI
— BNO Newsroom (@BNODesk) March 2, 2020
BREAKING! 1st case in NYHere we go...Statement from New York Governor Cuomo on the state's first case of coronavirus https://t.co/eUoE2b20hL pic.twitter.com/2ZXcq9dHqI
— BNO Newsroom (@BNODesk) March 2, 2020
Here we go...Anyone thinking this wont be all over (at least like the Flu) is in denial IMHO. I do think containment protocols will change, as school closures and massive lockdowns Wuhan style will not work globally. There will be increased awareness to hand washing, less handshakes and kisses, and lots of sanitizing. Clorox, Lysol, Purell etc will see an exponential growth in sales.
Anyone thinking this wont be all over (at least like the Flu) is in denial IMHO. I do think containment protocols will change, as school closures and massive lockdowns Wuhan style will not work globally. There will be increased awareness to hand washing, less handshakes and kisses, and lots of sanitizing. Clorox, Lysol, Purell etc will see an exponential growth in sales.how will it effect Purim?
With time a vaccine (as effective as the flu shot FWIW) will come, as well as better treatment protocols lowering the mortality rate.
Anyone thinking this wont be all over (at least like the Flu) is in denial IMHO.I think the real question is not whether it'll spread, rather it's if all the hysteria is justified?
how will it effect Purim?Everyone will be wearing masks :)
Anyone thinking this wont be all over (at least like the Flu) is in denial IMHO. I do think containment protocols will change, as school closures and massive lockdowns Wuhan style will not work globally. There will be increased awareness to hand washing, less handshakes and kisses, and lots of sanitizing. Clorox, Lysol, Purell etc will see an exponential growth in sales.
With time a vaccine (as effective as the flu shot FWIW) will come, as well as better treatment protocols lowering the mortality rate.
how will it effect Purim?
I think the real question is not whether it'll spread, rather it's if all the hysteria is justified?It's more contagious then the flu and far, far more deadly.
i.e. is there any reason to be significantly more concerned with this than the flu?
It won't, but it should.
I think the real question is not whether it'll spread, rather it's if all the hysteria is justified?
i.e. is there any reason to be significantly more concerned with this than the flu?
far, far more deadly.
Absolutely justified, first being the death rate being 20-30x higher than the flu.
Do you have real numbers on this? because what I've seen (and admittedly I haven't been following too closely) seemed to indicate otherwise.
it's incomparable.The mortality rate is not comparable?
The mortality rate is not comparable?
The mortality rate is not comparable?I'm no scientist or mathematician but the mortality rate on confirmed cases seems much higher (2-3% vs. 0.1%), though it's possible that there are huge numbers of undiagnosed cases that would being that rate way down.
Anyone thinking this wont be all over (at least like the Flu) is in denial IMHO. I do think containment protocols will change, as school closures and massive lockdowns Wuhan style will not work globally. There will be increased awareness to hand washing, less handshakes and kisses, and lots of sanitizing. Clorox, Lysol, Purell etc will see an exponential growth in sales.
With time a vaccine (as effective as the flu shot FWIW) will come, as well as better treatment protocols lowering the mortality rate.
I'm no scientist or mathematician but the mortality rate on confirmed cases seems much higher (2-3% vs. 0.1%), though it's possible that there are huge numbers of undiagnosed cases that would being that rate way down.
Also, even if the mortality rate is the same or lower, IF it's much more contagious than the flu then far more people could get infected and it could be deadlier overall than the flu even with a lower mortality rate, no?
Should I be concerned to Wear clothing recently made In/ brought from China?
Is it safe to receive a package from any area where COVID-19 has been reported?
Yes. The likelihood of an infected person contaminating commercial goods is low and the risk of catching the virus that causes COVID-19 from a package that has been moved, travelled, and exposed to different conditions and temperature is also low.
w. No one has a clue of what the real rate as China is definitely flubbing the numbers... They went from 76,000 to 80,000 confirmed cases in the last week...
I am trying to understand, when we talk about this being deadly, does this mean perfectly healthy people who get it are at risk to die? Or we are talking about sick, half dead people who caught it and have died in the process? If the later is true why is no one talking about it?much bigger chance for sick/older people to die
And I have the same question about the flu. I hear the media talking about tens of thousands people dying from it. I live in a neighborhood where almost everybody got the flu this season and NO ONE has died. What am I missing?
I am trying to understand, when we talk about this being deadly, does this mean perfectly healthy people who get it are at risk to die? Or we are talking about sick, half dead people who caught it and have died in the process? If the later is true why is no one talking about it?
And I have the same question about the flu. I hear the media talking about tens of thousands people dying from it. I live in a neighborhood where almost everybody got the flu this season and NO ONE has died. What am I missing?
Anyone thinking this wont be all over (at least like the Flu) is in denial IMHO. I do think containment protocols will change, as school closures and massive lockdowns Wuhan style will not work globally. There will be increased awareness to hand washing, less handshakes and kisses, and lots of sanitizing. Clorox, Lysol, Purell etc will see an exponential growth in sales.
With time a vaccine (as effective as the flu shot FWIW) will come, as well as better treatment protocols lowering the mortality rate.
There's also this gem - https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/ez13dv/oc_quadratic_coronavirus_epidemic_growth_model/Interesting.
Was able to predict the numbers with scary foresight until China caught on like a week later.
The number of confirmed cases of coronavirus has reached 90,000. The number of cases outside China has surpassed 10,000.
— BNO Newsroom (@BNODesk) March 2, 2020
pandemic related price gouging on amazon
Don't worry about visiting Florida! People in Florida are immune to Coronavirus, as long as censorship is in place.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/health-care/article240390676.html
More dangerous than the virus is the fear it causes. Some level of censorship should be in place to protect stupid Americans from themselves.
Not that the government should stop the media from posting things, but the government should withhold certain facts that the people don't have to know.
1st case in Florida? Censored?
https://new.thescoopradioshow.com/concern-in-sarasota-county-after-a-document-on-doctors-hospital-letter-head-advises-the-public-that-a-presumptive-case-has-tested-positive-for-coronavirus/
https://www.jpost.com/HEALTH-SCIENCE/Israel-could-consider-placing-US-travelers-to-Israel-under-quarantine-619608
Since I don't tend to believe media outlets, much less so Israeli ones, I will take this with a teaspoon of salt.health ministry says its fake news
That being said, if indeed this is being considered, someone should give these guys a huge wakeup זעץ.
14 day quarantines will do close to nothing. You can't take Wuhan style measures all over the world. This is and will continue spreading. Education as to avoidance is the most that can be done. You can't fight a coming hurricane or tsunami, but you could prepare with protective measures. Those protective measures don't include suicide (which is fool proof, as we've never heard of catastrophies happening to the dead).
health ministry says its fake newswas listening to israeli radio this morning. interview with some professor from the health dept. he said they were considering it
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/featured/1837239/developing-three-jewish-schools-in-new-york-closed-due-coronavirus.html
Name for tehillim אליעזר יצחק בן שפרה
Anyone think what will be with Pesach hotels if this thing spreads all over USA? Gonna be a issue
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/featured/1837239/developing-three-jewish-schools-in-new-york-closed-due-coronavirus.htmlAny reports yet how/where he caught it?
Name for tehillim אליעזר יצחק בן שפרה
Given the incubation period and the fact that its a frum guy who presumably goes to shul it is exceedingly likely that it is already becoming widespread in the frum community as we speak.Time to stop hugging and shaking hands...
Time to stop hugging and shaking hands...
Time to stop hugging and shaking hands...
Time to stop flying?
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/featured/1837239/developing-three-jewish-schools-in-new-york-closed-due-coronavirus.htmlall of a sudden YWN is legit on here?
Name for tehillim אליעזר יצחק בן שפרה
all of a sudden YWN is legit on here?
The schools are closed so I dont understand the skepticism. Are you doubting that his name?nope.
Read somewhere that hand sanitizer only kills bacteria, not viruses. Anyone know if that's true?Fake news. Make sure it has at least 60% alcohol content thou.
Given the incubation period and the fact that its a frum guy who presumably goes to shul it is exceedingly likely that it is already becoming widespread in the frum community as we speak.
No, all it means that there was exposure to someone who had the virus, not that the virus itself was contracted.?
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If he went to shul while contagious and there is a lag time where people are contagious before onset of symptoms there is a likelihood that it has already spread from him to others in the frum community.
I don't know how you can draw the conclusion that he spread the virus. Yes he was in the same shul with people, but that only means that they were exposed to someone with the virus, not that "there is a likelihood that it has already spread from him."Doesn't there being exposed create a likeleyhood that was not there had they not been exposed?
Doesn't there being exposed create a likeleyhood that was not there had they not been exposed?
Even shaking his hand would not be enough if he did not have secretions on his hand and the person who shook his hand did not go to his own mouth or nose with his hand afterwards.
I would think that the likelihood of infected person A not having the virus on his hands and of person B not touching his mouth, nose or eyes without proper washing UNLESS THERE WAS AN ACUTE AWARENESS is extremely low.+1000, additionally if Person A touched a door etc. it can easily have spread to many people. I think even with awareness the chances of everyone "doing everything right" is very low.
The following message was sent by Rabbi Aaron Glatt, MD, a specialist in infectious diseases, the assistant rabbi and the Young Israel if Woodmere, and father of former K.I.N.S. members, Ari and Michelle Glatt.
May you have a Shabbat Shalom, and may all who are affected by this illness have a refuah shlaima!
February 28, 2020
ג׳ אדר תש״פ
While the new novel coronavirus, COVID-19, has caused illness that has been widely covered in the news media, and the number of cases worldwide has grown substantially with 80,000+ confirmed cases worldwide in about 40 countries, there are still no confirmed cases of COVID-19 in New York State or the New York metropolitan region. However, with the first case of unclear transmission in the US just described in California, we wanted to update our shul goers.
There are currently no specific recommendations for shuls, although we will continue to update the shul should new information become available.
If you have not traveled to an area where COVID-19 is prevalent or been in close contact with a traveler, and you develop respiratory symptoms, it remains likely that you have a seasonal illness like the flu rather than COVID-19.
At the present time, we urge common-sense and regular hand washing (as appropriate), with soap and water for at least 20 seconds, or with an alcohol-based hand sanitizer if soap and water are not available.
Good personal hygiene practices, including covering coughs and sneezes are also important. To do this optimally, cover your cough or sneeze with a tissue, and then throw the tissue in the trash and wash your hands. If you dont have a tissue available, cough or sneeze into your elbow.
Other appropriate actions include avoiding touching your eyes, nose and mouth and disinfect objects and surfaces that are frequently handled.
At this time, we do not have a strict recommendation against hand shaking or kissing the sefer Torah or mezzuzos for people who are not at all sick. Use common sense.
The CDC does NOT recommend that people who are well wear a facemask to protect themselves from respiratory illnesses, including COVID-19. Facemasks should only be used by lay people who have symptoms of respiratory diseases, and who must be in public - to help prevent the spread of the disease to others.
Most importantly, several great poskim have personally told me and clearly stated that one must stay home and not go to shul if you are sick with a potentially contagious respiratory illness.
This is a good time to remind everyone that over 30,000,000 people in the US this season have gotten flu, with between 16,000-30,000 deaths, including over 100 children. Flu vaccination is still indicated! By not getting or transmitting flu, you will not only save lives, but you will greatly help doctors who will have less patients to evaluate with unknown respiratory illnesses.
We should make sure there are alcohol-based hand sanitizers in the lobby areas. Custodial staff should be diligently cleaning our shuls and checking dispensers for hand soap and hand sanitizer to ensure that they are filled at all times.
If you recently traveled to a country with ongoing person-to-person transmission of COVID-19: As long as you are asymptomatic, you are probably not a risk to others. However, it is prudent to check your temperature twice a day and monitor for any respiratory symptoms for at least 14 days from the time you left that country. If you have any symptoms or fever, see your doctor as soon as possible, but call the office or center first so they can appropriately isolate you upon entry to the office before they evaluate you.
May our teffilos be accepted by Hashem and may this epidemic soon end.
Rabbi Aaron E. Glatt, MD
What is the reasoning behind the school closings today? To disinfect the schools is one thing but if any of the kids or staff ch'v did get infected they will just bring it back tomorrow so what was gained other then adding to the hysteria?My guess is they closed for one day and are reevaluating and will probably be closed for a few weeks.
Interesting why no one is reporting where he caught it fromBecause no one knows
Being exposed to someone with a disease does not mean that "there is a likelihood that it has already spread from him to others in the frum community."
Merely being in the same room with someone is not enough to catch this.
Even shaking his hand would not be enough if he did not have secretions on his hand and the person who shook his hand did not go to his own mouth or nose with his hand afterwards.
Although it is possible that someone could have caught it, I think that its a leap to say that "there is a likelihood that it has already spread from him to others in the frum community."
I sincerely hope you turn out to be right. Unfortunately I highly doubt it.
Being exposed to someone with a disease does not mean that "there is a likelihood that it has already spread from him to others in the frum community."a likelyhood and likely are not the same thing.
Merely being in the same room with someone is not enough to catch this.
Even shaking his hand would not be enough if he did not have secretions on his hand and the person who shook his hand did not go to his own mouth or nose with his hand afterwards.
Although it is possible that someone could have caught it, I think that its a leap to say that "there is a likelihood that it has already spread from him to others in the frum community."
a likelyhood and likely are not the same thing.
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Since I don't tend to believe media outlets, much less so Israeli ones, I will take this with a teaspoon of salt.
That being said, if indeed this is being considered, someone should give these guys a huge wakeup זעץ.
14 day quarantines will do close to nothing. You can't take Wuhan style measures all over the world. This is and will continue spreading. Education as to avoidance is the most that can be done. You can't fight a coming hurricane or tsunami, but you could prepare with protective measures. Those protective measures don't include suicide (which is fool proof, as we've never heard of catastrophies happening to the dead).
Given the incubation period and the fact that its a frum guy who presumably goes to shul it is exceedingly likely that it is already becoming widespread in the frum community as we speak.
I don't know how you can draw the conclusion that he spread the virus. Yes he was in the same shul with people, but that only means that they were exposed to someone with the virus, not that "there is a likelihood that it has already spread from him."
What is the reasoning behind the school closings today? To disinfect the schools is one thing but if any of the kids or staff ch'v did get infected they will just bring it back tomorrow so what was gained other then adding to the hysteria?
This doesn't bode well for the hope that most cases were too mild to be found.https://www.who.int/dg/speeches/detail/who-director-general-s-opening-remarks-at-the-media-briefing-on-covid-19---3-march-2020
https://mobile.twitter.com/WHO/status/1234871807800479744
Both COVID-19 and influenza cause respiratory disease and spread the same way, via small droplets of fluid from the nose and mouth of someone who is sick.
However, there are some important differences between COVID-19 and influenza.
First, COVID-19 does not transmit as efficiently as influenza, from the data we have so far.
With influenza, people who are infected but not yet sick are major drivers of transmission, which does not appear to be the case for COVID-19.
And fourth, we dont even talk about containment for seasonal flu its just not possible. But it is possible for COVID-19. We dont do contact tracing for seasonal flu but countries should do it for COVID-19, because it will prevent infections and save lives. Containment is possible.::)
To summarize, COVID-19 spreads less efficiently than flu, transmission does not appear to be driven by people who are not sick, it causes more severe illness than flu, there are not yet any vaccines or therapeutics, and it can be contained which is why we must do everything we can to contain it. Thats why WHO recommends a comprehensive approach.
I assume that is referring to the Young Israel of New Rochelle?Thats correct.
I guess theres not going to be much Purim in New RochelleHopefully its doesnt make its way to the rest of the frum communities before purim.
http://cdn.jwplayer.com/players/4p3gVnKv-XLzx33eA.html (http://cdn.jwplayer.com/players/4p3gVnKv-XLzx33eA.html)Adorable!
Hopefully its doesnt make its way to the rest of the frum communities before purim.
Iranians have posted several videos on social media featuring devout Shiites licking holy shrines in defiance of the coronavirus, MEMRI says.
On March 1, 2020, a pilgrim posted a video of himself licking the steel bars protecting the window of a Shiite shrine, according to MEMRI. He said that many people have spread lies that this window contracted corona, AIDS, hepatitis, and such nonsense.
He said that he is licking the bars so the disease enters his body and future pilgrims will be safe, MEMRI reports. I have now eaten the corona disease,.
I thought this article was really interesting, especially since Covid seems to be statistically so much more deadly for older people (about 15% for age 80+) but has statistically few cases and almost no fatalities for children or pregnant woman (unlike RSV that is so serious for infants) and I don't believe any fatalities for children under 10yrs old. I was reading somewhere that Covid's real danger for catastrophic fatalities is if it spreads through nursing homes and this info seems to bear this out.4/6 deaths in Washington State were from the same nursing home.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/03/who-is-getting-sick-and-how-sick-a-breakdown-of-coronavirus-risk-by-demographic-factors/ (https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/03/who-is-getting-sick-and-how-sick-a-breakdown-of-coronavirus-risk-by-demographic-factors/)
some interesting quotes:
"The death toll skews old even more strongly. Overall, China CDC found, 2.3% of confirmed cases died. But the fatality rate was 14.8% in people 80 or older, likely reflecting the presence of other diseases, a weaker immune system, or simply worse overall health. By contrast, the fatality rate was 1.3% in 50-somethings, 0.4% in 40-somethings, and 0.2% in people 10 to 39."
"It may be that immuno-suppression is actually helpful. Some of the most serious symptoms of Covid-19 result from an immune system on the rampage rather than a lethargic one, Chinese scientists found: An extreme immune response called cytokine storm, a flood of immune cells and the biochemicals they produce, tears through lung tissue."
"The high fatality rate of Covid-19 in already-sick people might result not from the virus but from an exacerbation of existing disease."
I thought this article was really interesting, especially since Covid seems to be statistically so much more deadly for older people (about 15% for age 80+) but has statistically few cases and almost no fatalities for children or pregnant woman (unlike RSV that is so serious for infants) and I don't believe any fatalities for children under 10yrs old. I was reading somewhere that Covid's real danger for catastrophic fatalities is if it spreads through nursing homes and this info seems to bear this out.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/03/who-is-getting-sick-and-how-sick-a-breakdown-of-coronavirus-risk-by-demographic-factors/ (https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/03/who-is-getting-sick-and-how-sick-a-breakdown-of-coronavirus-risk-by-demographic-factors/)
some interesting quotes:
"The death toll skews old even more strongly. Overall, China CDC found, 2.3% of confirmed cases died. But the fatality rate was 14.8% in people 80 or older, likely reflecting the presence of other diseases, a weaker immune system, or simply worse overall health. By contrast, the fatality rate was 1.3% in 50-somethings, 0.4% in 40-somethings, and 0.2% in people 10 to 39."
"It may be that immuno-suppression is actually helpful. Some of the most serious symptoms of Covid-19 result from an immune system on the rampage rather than a lethargic one, Chinese scientists found: An extreme immune response called cytokine storm, a flood of immune cells and the biochemicals they produce, tears through lung tissue."
"The high fatality rate of Covid-19 in already-sick people might result not from the virus but from an exacerbation of existing disease."
Regardless I was planning to avoid close contact on Purim.The amount of things passing hands makes this incredibly difficult.
Don't know if there's a day where we are more vulnerable.
4/6 deaths in Washington State were from the same nursing home.
What's the endgame here? Schools close for 1 day, and then what?HAHA i was wondering the same thing today!
Dear Members:
I am sure everyone is aware of the unfortunate case of COVID-19 identified in a man in Westchester that has led to the recommendation that a shul and a Yeshiva should be temporarily closed. We all hope and pray that he has a refuah shelaima and that no additional cases occur.
In the latter regard, and in the hope of diminishing the high levels of anxiety prevalent, I wanted to reassure the community that very little has practically changed regarding the recommendations we sent out erev Shabbos.
Indeed, a very positive study was reported just hours ago from the CDC. This MMWR early release report provides some comfort to the COVID-19 hysteria. This study looked at the first 10 cases in the US with travel-related COVID-19 and the risk to their household contacts. .
In these 10 cases, only two instances of person-to-person transmission of COVID-19 have been documented. The details are as follows.
Among the first 10 patients with travel-related confirmed COVID-19 reported in the United States, a total of 445 persons who had close contact with one of the 10 patients on or after the date of the patients symptom onset were identified.
Nineteen (4%) of the 445 contacts were members of a patients household, and five of these 19 contacts continued to have household exposure to the patient with confirmed COVID-19 during the patients isolation period; 104 (23%) were community members who spent at least 10 minutes within 6 feet of a patient with confirmed disease; 100 (22%) were community members who were exposed (defined as at least 10 minutes spent within 6 feet of the patient) in a health care setting; and 222 (50%) were health care personnel.
Reassuring Results: Two persons who were household members of patients with confirmed COVID-19 tested positive. However, despite intensive follow-up, no sustained person-to-person transmission of symptomatic COVID-19 was observed in the United States among the other close contacts of the first 10 persons with diagnosed travel-related COVID-19.
Boruch Hashem - community exposure in this study was not found. That does NOT mean it is not a risk - but probably it is not as bad as many of you think. And while it is one small study, everyone needs to take a deep breath.
Rabbi Aaron E. Glatt, MD
From Rabbi Dr Aaron Glatt yesterday via the Young Israel of Woodmere:
Being exposed to someone with a disease does not mean that "there is a likelihood that it has already spread from him to others in the frum community."
Merely being in the same room with someone is not enough to catch this.
Even shaking his hand would not be enough if he did not have secretions on his hand and the person who shook his hand did not go to his own mouth or nose with his hand afterwards.
Although it is possible that someone could have caught it, I think that its a leap to say that "there is a likelihood that it has already spread from him to others in the frum community."
https://www.yu.edu/health-alert
"We have unfortunately received news this morning that our student has tested positive for COVID-19. Our thoughts and prayers are with him and his family as well as to all those affected."
Hashem yerachem
I just dont get it. Weve had 3 months to prepare and learn from whats going on in China, and still the US displaying the competence of a 3rd world country. No test kits available, very narrow testing criteria that is missing tons of cases, proper contamination procedures are not in place almost anywhere, and a severe shortage of PPE. The only containment measure in place is to tell people not to panic because the known immediate risk is still low, despite the fact that they're expecting it to be a full blown breakout very soon.
And with 9 deaths out of 21 cases in WA, that means we dont know about most cases besides the most severe ones, and only weeks after they became infected. The early progress of the infected/deaths ratio most resembles the numbers that first came out of Iran. Really sad.
https://kuow.org/stories/what-s-with-this-protective-medical-gear-readers-wrote-in-worried
https://abc7ny.com/health/cuomo-positive-case-of-coronavirus-in-westchester-county/5981682/
Another confirmed case in NY.
Westchester Day School is closed, in addition to SAR Academy. Both schools are associated with the Westchester County man who has tested positive.
Given the incubation period and the fact that its a frum guy who presumably goes to shul it is exceedingly likely that it is already becoming widespread in the frum community as we speak.
Being exposed to someone with a disease does not mean that "there is a likelihood that it has already spread from him to others in the frum community."
Merely being in the same room with someone is not enough to catch this.
Even shaking his hand would not be enough if he did not have secretions on his hand and the person who shook his hand did not go to his own mouth or nose with his hand afterwards.
Although it is possible that someone could have caught it, I think that its a leap to say that "there is a likelihood that it has already spread from him to others in the frum community."
I sincerely hope you turn out to be right. Unfortunately I highly doubt it.
Nebach! The whole family now :'(
https://abc7ny.com/health/family-neighbor-of-westchester-covid-19-patient-test-positive/5984230/
Are people canceling Pesach plans, such as traveling to a program,or Israel, due to Covid 19??According to YWN - Yes.
Yesterday there was a quote from the WHO that you cant infect during incubation period, which was different than they were saying before. Not sure what's correct
Yesterday there was a quote from the WHO that you cant infect during incubation period, which was different than they were saying before. Not sure what's correct
Possibly just trying to lower the global panic levels.If true, that would be irresponsible and counterproductive, transparency is key to fighting this, and figuring out if its an actual threat.
Yesterday there was a quote from the WHO that you cant infect during incubation period, which was different than they were saying before. Not sure what's correct
UPDATE: The patient, a 50-year-old attorney from Westchester, is now in stable condition and is improving. https://t.co/wL05eXDzPv
— Andrew Cuomo (@NYGovCuomo) March 4, 2020
Israel going draconian on travel restrictions.
Germany, France, Switzerland, and Austria are joining the list of restricted countries. Israelis coming from those countries will need to be quarantined for 14 days. Non-Israelis will be denied entry. However, connections through airports in those countries don't fall under the restrictions. The restrictions on non-Israelis go into effect Friday.
https://13news.co.il/item/news/domestic/health/coronavirus-israel-france-1020020/
UPDATE: The patient, a 50-year-old attorney from Westchester, is now in stable condition and is improving. https://t.co/wL05eXDzPv
— Andrew Cuomo (@NYGovCuomo) March 4, 2020
how long can israel survive economically with these measures in place
Just a thought - It's sad that us Orthodox Jews are probably more at risk than almost any demographic, 3x daily praying in shul, countless massive weddings, mikvahs, and we don't hear a peep from any community leaders and organizations, shuls, or schools, not one of them are taking it seriously.
What are we doing to prepare? How will we avoid massive infection in shuls? Why does anyone just want to talk about how the risk is low, that it's all hype, and we are all fine?
Just a thought - It's sad that us Orthodox Jews are probably more at risk than almost any demographic, 3x daily praying in shul, countless massive weddings, mikvahs, and we don't hear a peep from any community leaders and organizations, shuls, or schools, not one of them are taking it seriously.
What are we doing to prepare? How will we avoid massive infection in shuls? Why does anyone just want to talk about how the risk is low, that it's all hype, and we are all fine?
The following message was sent by Rabbi Aaron Glatt, MD, a specialist in infectious diseases, the assistant rabbi and the Young Israel if Woodmere, and father of former K.I.N.S. members, Ari and Michelle Glatt.
May you have a Shabbat Shalom, and may all who are affected by this illness have a refuah shlaima!
February 28, 2020
ג׳ אדר תש״פ
While the new novel coronavirus, COVID-19, has caused illness that has been widely covered in the news media, and the number of cases worldwide has grown substantially with 80,000+ confirmed cases worldwide in about 40 countries, there are still no confirmed cases of COVID-19 in New York State or the New York metropolitan region. However, with the first case of unclear transmission in the US just described in California, we wanted to update our shul goers.
There are currently no specific recommendations for shuls, although we will continue to update the shul should new information become available.
If you have not traveled to an area where COVID-19 is prevalent or been in close contact with a traveler, and you develop respiratory symptoms, it remains likely that you have a seasonal illness like the flu rather than COVID-19.
At the present time, we urge common-sense and regular hand washing (as appropriate), with soap and water for at least 20 seconds, or with an alcohol-based hand sanitizer if soap and water are not available.
Good personal hygiene practices, including covering coughs and sneezes are also important. To do this optimally, cover your cough or sneeze with a tissue, and then throw the tissue in the trash and wash your hands. If you dont have a tissue available, cough or sneeze into your elbow.
Other appropriate actions include avoiding touching your eyes, nose and mouth and disinfect objects and surfaces that are frequently handled.
At this time, we do not have a strict recommendation against hand shaking or kissing the sefer Torah or mezzuzos for people who are not at all sick. Use common sense.
The CDC does NOT recommend that people who are well wear a facemask to protect themselves from respiratory illnesses, including COVID-19. Facemasks should only be used by lay people who have symptoms of respiratory diseases, and who must be in public - to help prevent the spread of the disease to others.
Most importantly, several great poskim have personally told me and clearly stated that one must stay home and not go to shul if you are sick with a potentially contagious respiratory illness.
This is a good time to remind everyone that over 30,000,000 people in the US this season have gotten flu, with between 16,000-30,000 deaths, including over 100 children. Flu vaccination is still indicated! By not getting or transmitting flu, you will not only save lives, but you will greatly help doctors who will have less patients to evaluate with unknown respiratory illnesses.
We should make sure there are alcohol-based hand sanitizers in the lobby areas. Custodial staff should be diligently cleaning our shuls and checking dispensers for hand soap and hand sanitizer to ensure that they are filled at all times.
If you recently traveled to a country with ongoing person-to-person transmission of COVID-19: As long as you are asymptomatic, you are probably not a risk to others. However, it is prudent to check your temperature twice a day and monitor for any respiratory symptoms for at least 14 days from the time you left that country. If you have any symptoms or fever, see your doctor as soon as possible, but call the office or center first so they can appropriately isolate you upon entry to the office before they evaluate you.
May our teffilos be accepted by Hashem and may this epidemic soon end.
Rabbi Aaron E. Glatt, MD
From Rabbi Dr Aaron Glatt yesterday via the Young Israel of Woodmere:
Dear Members:
I am sure everyone is aware of the unfortunate case of COVID-19 identified in a man in Westchester that has led to the recommendation that a shul and a Yeshiva should be temporarily closed. We all hope and pray that he has a refuah shelaima and that no additional cases occur.
In the latter regard, and in the hope of diminishing the high levels of anxiety prevalent, I wanted to reassure the community that very little has practically changed regarding the recommendations we sent out erev Shabbos.
Indeed, a very positive study was reported just hours ago from the CDC. This MMWR early release report provides some comfort to the COVID-19 hysteria. This study looked at the first 10 cases in the US with travel-related COVID-19 and the risk to their household contacts. .
In these 10 cases, only two instances of person-to-person transmission of COVID-19 have been documented. The details are as follows.
Among the first 10 patients with travel-related confirmed COVID-19 reported in the United States, a total of 445 persons who had close contact with one of the 10 patients on or after the date of the patients symptom onset were identified.
Nineteen (4%) of the 445 contacts were members of a patients household, and five of these 19 contacts continued to have household exposure to the patient with confirmed COVID-19 during the patients isolation period; 104 (23%) were community members who spent at least 10 minutes within 6 feet of a patient with confirmed disease; 100 (22%) were community members who were exposed (defined as at least 10 minutes spent within 6 feet of the patient) in a health care setting; and 222 (50%) were health care personnel.
Reassuring Results: Two persons who were household members of patients with confirmed COVID-19 tested positive. However, despite intensive follow-up, no sustained person-to-person transmission of symptomatic COVID-19 was observed in the United States among the other close contacts of the first 10 persons with diagnosed travel-related COVID-19.
Boruch Hashem - community exposure in this study was not found. That does NOT mean it is not a risk - but probably it is not as bad as many of you think. And while it is one small study, everyone needs to take a deep breath.
Rabbi Aaron E. Glatt, MD
not sure where you live but i have had numerous email from Achiezer regarding outbreak.
What do you want the community leaders to say exactly?
And that's just from one of my kid's schools.
Notification issued 03-04-2020 at 4:42 PM. Mayor Bill de Blasio today updated New Yorkers on the City's preparedness efforts regarding COVID-19. The NYC Department of Health and Mental Hygiene, in partnership with New York City Emergency Management, has distributed guidance to all agencies and partners. The Mayor has convened four agency wide tabletops to discuss these preparations. This week, all City agencies that oversee congregate and community spaces are implementing enhanced cleaning guidance modeled after the Department of Education's enhanced protocols.
For more information on the City's response, visit: https://on.nyc.gov/38tBEpP
For Coronavirus preparedness tips and safety info, visit: www.NYC.gov/coronavirus.
how long can israel survive economically with these measures in placeWhich sectors other than tourism (which accounts for a very small percentage of its GDP) would be drastically affected?
BREAKING: New Jersey reports first case of coronavirus https://t.co/eUoE2b20hL
— BNO Newsroom (@BNODesk) March 5, 2020
What's the point of breaking news on new cases. Very soon it will be as widespread as the flu.
Visiting NYU now and havent seen a mask all day. Not visitors or staff.That's because you already went and bought them all, they couldn't find any :P
Agree with you, and for anyone paying attention this was all inevitable. But I think theres value in posting these milestones, it gets more and more people to wake up. Visiting NYU now and havent seen a mask all day. Not visitors or staff.Masks are only for those already infected with the virus to prevent it from spreading to others. Read the facts.
Masks are only for those already infected with the virus to prevent it from spreading to others. Read the facts.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mask-confusion/id1501029683?i=1000467306821
Except the fact that the incubation period is very long and will spread disease even without being sick. No one knows they have the virus until they develop symptoms and get tested, and by then it's way too late. Not to mention that the sick people don't have any masks because the CDC told them not to buy any.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israelis-who-came-in-contact-with-us-tourist-in-jerusalem-ordered-to-quarantine/
Who goes to osher ad twice on an 8 day trip to Israel
Anyways, this is so vague, will anyone actually self quarantine because of this?
Do they have to reroute passengers?
What if booked using another Star Alliance partner's miles?
My Dear Friends,
Some good news this morning. Two tests of students who were considered at risk due to proximity, including roommate, came back negative. Chasdei Hashem.
I will continue to send updates later today.
Dr. Ari Berman
President, Yeshiva University
On Thursday, Chinese media The Paper reported that a man in Wuhan who had recovered from Covid-19 and tested negative for the virus died less than a week later from the infection. The report was later removed from the internet.
A few tidbits -Italy has the world 2nd oldest population after Japan.
So. Korea as of 3.4.2020 had tested 130K people had 5,300 cases and 32 deaths - With a mortality rate of .06%
The Diamond Princess has a mortality rate of .08%
The other end of the spectrum is China, Iran and Italy at 3~3. 8% mortality rate. The majority of deaths in Italy have been those 60+ years old, the same with the US.
Apparently there are two strains of the Covid19 - based on the progression in Italy, South Korea and Iran - we will either see a huge uptick in cases and perhaps deaths in the US and other parts of the world.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-05/what-doctors-treating-covid-19-in-wuhan-say-about-the-virus
Korea as of 3.4.2020 had tested 130K people had 5,300 cases and 32 deaths - With a mortality rate of .06%32/5300 = .006 = .6% not .06%
32/5300 = .006 = .6% not .06%That should be .8
In light of that, do you need to update this number?
"The Diamond Princess has a mortality rate of .08%"
32/5300 = .006 = .6% not .06%
In light of that, do you need to update this number?
"The Diamond Princess has a mortality rate of .08%"
As of Feb. 26, CDC had performed a total of 445 tests. For comparison, the UK, with a population five times smaller than the US, had conducted over 7,000 tests.
A few tidbits -Italy has the world 2nd oldest population after Japan.
So. Korea as of 3.4.2020 had tested 130K people had 5,300 cases and 32 deaths - With a mortality rate of .06%
The Diamond Princess has a mortality rate of .08%
The other end of the spectrum is China, Iran and Italy at 3~3. 8% mortality rate. The majority of deaths in Italy have been those 60+ years old, the same with the US.
Apparently there are two strains of the Covid19 - based on the progression in Italy, South Korea and Iran - we will either see a huge uptick in cases and perhaps deaths in the US and other parts of the world.
GE
DEATH RATE
confirmed cases
DEATH RATE
all cases
80+ years old
21.9%
14.8%
70-79 years old
8.0%
60-69 years old
3.6%
50-59 years old
1.3%
40-49 years old
0.4%
30-39 years old
0.2%
20-29 years old
0.2%
10-19 years old
0.2%
0-9 years old
no fatalities
Why the lack of deaths under 10? what is different about this disease that it is killing older people vs babies/children??
All these are based on percentages of confirmed cases? It doesn't seem like they're accounting for cases that never come in and get tested, so it's probably actually lower. That's basically impossible to eatate at this point. The flu has been around long enough that they can make educated guesses.
Rabbi for synagogue at center of New York coronavirus outbreak tests positive https://nypost.com/2020/03/06/rabbi-at-new-rochelle-coronavirus-synagogue-has-tested-positive/Wow. He is my stepbrother's father in law.
Start from 5:15 :P
So this one guy has the virus, and over 3 weeks of him not knowing he had it it spread to tens of people if not more. Those people walked around for awhile too with it not knowing. I can't imagine how many people will be known to have it once we start (if they ever) testing anyone who had to do with the second level of this virus. And by the time we find them they will have spread it further. This is uncontainable and whoever gave that ratio of 1 person infecting 1.3 to 2 people is way off.That's not necessarily the case. If the guy wasn't coughing it up or sneezing it out and/or the other people were practicing proper hygiene, there's no reason why that should be true.
Now the conspiracy is did they release the virus by accident...
Start from 5:15 :P
I think most people aren’t aware of the risk of systemic healthcare failure due to #COVID19 because they simply haven’t run the numbers yet. Let’s talk math. 1/n
— Liz Specht (@LizSpecht) March 7, 2020
Read the thread. Scary math.I think most people aren’t aware of the risk of systemic healthcare failure due to #COVID19 because they simply haven’t run the numbers yet. Let’s talk math. 1/n
— Liz Specht (@LizSpecht) March 7, 2020
Any Monsey updates?I heard there were 3 weddings in Monsey last week that a waiter that serves there tested positive.
I think the whole world should go on a preventive quarantine for 2 weeks.
Starting Wednesday, no one leaves their house anywhere, except for a skeleton crew of essential personnel.
This would alleviate the protracted situation we have now. Besides killing people, it's killing the economy.
So everyone else dies? People who need daily chemo or dialysis don't go for treatment? And if you mean the essential personnel would include the hospital staff who would treat the existing sick people what about the essential services they would need to do their jobs. Someone needs to delver gas, heating oil, work in water treatment plants, staff the prisons...He probably just means whatever theyre doing in Italy now. (1/4 of the country is in lockdown)
Its a nice thought but its not realistic.
So everyone else dies? People who need daily chemo or dialysis don't go for treatment? And if you mean the essential personnel would include the hospital staff who would treat the existing sick people what about the essential services they would need to do their jobs. Someone needs to delver gas, heating oil, work in water treatment plants, staff the prisons...
Its a nice thought but its not realistic.
People who need daily chemo or dialysisKeep in mind that these are from the people at the highest risk.
Keep in mind that these are from the people at the highest risk.
(people on dialysis are not necessarily immunosupressed)I read that kidneys are one of the risk points.
Agreed as to chemo (people on dialysis are not necessarily immunosupressed) - but if they dont go out for treatment they will die of something else besides Covid-19.That depends how needed those two weeks are and if it needs to be consecutive. It is a risk reward question.
Uh, no. This guy predicts millions will die. No one thinks the world is coming to an end.+1(!)
I heard there were 3 weddings in Monsey last week that a waiter that serves there tested positive.
Anyone here watch Outbreak?worse than Contagion ?
Netflix put it in their featured movies. Its going to freak people out.
There are 7 private labs ready to start COVID-19 testing in New York that could process up to 2,000 more tests per day -- if they had CDC approval, Gov. Cuomo says https://t.co/WVaDdVMJOq
— NBC New York (@NBCNewYork) March 8, 2020
I am at A NYC hospital with an elderly family member who has fever and bad cough but they are saying they would not do a corona test unless he was actually with someone who has a confirmed case because they do not have enough test.
Its crazy, I would think they should test as many people as they can to rule it out. Hospitals seem very ill prepare do prevent an outbreak
Read the thread. Scary math.Hotels can be converted into temporary covid19 hospitals...I think most people aren’t aware of the risk of systemic healthcare failure due to #COVID19 because they simply haven’t run the numbers yet. Let’s talk math. 1/n
— Liz Specht (@LizSpecht) March 7, 2020
Let me guess, the medical staff were not wearing any PPE.
They are fully geared up, found a stash of masks and gloves. Going to grab a bunch and sell on amazon for $100/per mask 😷😀So you're going to steal from a hospital to sell them on Amazon? :o
I am at A NYC hospital with an elderly family member who has fever and bad cough but they are saying they would not do a corona test unless he was actually with someone who has a confirmed case because they do not have enough test.Is there any difference in treatment if it's Covid19 or not? So for your relative it makes no difference if he's tested.
Its crazy, I would think they should test as many people as they can to rule it out. Hospitals seem very ill prepare do prevent an outbreak
Is there any difference in treatment if it's Covid19 or not? So for your relative it makes no difference if he's tested.
It matters to your extended family and his caretakers. And it may be a regular or flu.
From the WA nursing home:
— balajis.com (@balajis) March 8, 2020
"Our experience with this so far has shown that the virus is volatile and unpredictable…We’ve had patients who, within an hour’s time, show no symptoms to going to acute symptoms and being transferred to the hospital."https://t.co/SKtsGFlFta pic.twitter.com/2wlmWUGr4U
Is there any difference in treatment if it's Covid19 or not? So for your relative it makes no difference if he's tested.Presumably the patient isn't in quarantine in the interim...
It matters to your extended family and his caretakers. And it may be a regular or flu.
My job entails daily visits to nursing homes and peoples homes across the state. Should I be concerned?
Why are so many employees showing symptoms? It seems that hand washing etc doesn't really help unless you're all masked up?well one question is what does "showing symptoms" mean here?
well one question is what does "showing symptoms" mean here?
Doctor's interview from Bergamo (suburb of Milan)Bottom line: It's like a war zone in the hospital. A central room set up in the middle of emergency ward only for COVID-19. They pick and choose who to help...the most likely cases to survive, ie. the younger ones, not the older ones, the ones with underlying issues nor certainly the ones with three or more failing organs. No time for "regular" cases like heart attacks. It could take an hour to get to them instead of just minutes.
https://www.corriere.it/cronache/20_marzo_09/coronavirus-scegliamo-chi-curare-chi-no-come-ogni-guerra-196f7d34-617d-11ea-8f33-90c941af0f23.shtml (https://www.corriere.it/cronache/20_marzo_09/coronavirus-scegliamo-chi-curare-chi-no-come-ogni-guerra-196f7d34-617d-11ea-8f33-90c941af0f23.shtml)
3/ The team went back & tested 320,000 samples originally taken for flu and other screening; only 0.5% returned positive.
— Abraar Karan (@AbraarKaran) March 8, 2020
Is this a perfect way to know if we had missed mild/asymptomatic cases? No.
But is it another point of data. Yes.
Read the thread. Bottom line, the unconfirmed cases won't change the overall stats much, don't expect the CFR to drop. And mild case = anywhere between fever to full blown pneumonia.This completely ignores the potentially multiple times as many people with little to no symptoms who don't bother getting tested at all.3/ The team went back & tested 320,000 samples originally taken for flu and other screening; only 0.5% returned positive.
— Abraar Karan (@AbraarKaran) March 8, 2020
Is this a perfect way to know if we had missed mild/asymptomatic cases? No.
But is it another point of data. Yes.
This completely ignores the potentially multiple times as many people with little to no symptoms who don't bother getting tested at all.
They took 320k random swabs from people who weren't screened but would most likely be good candidates to have COVID and retroactively tested them. They only found .5%. That is a pretty huge and significant sample size.
In Guangdong, they went back and retested 320,000 samples originally taken for influenza surveillance and other screening. Less than 0.5 percent came up positive, which is about the same number as the 1,500 known Covid cases in the province.According to this https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 (https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6) there are only 1,352 cases in Guangdong province. None of these numbers are adding up.
Why are so many employees showing symptoms? It seems that hand washing etc doesn't really help unless you're all masked up?They may not have been meticulous in handwashing. And Covid19 seems to spread more easily than other hospital germs.
According to this https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 (https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6) there are only 1,352 cases in Guangdong province. None of these numbers are adding up.
dont trust the Chinese numbers. it means nothing, just a random number they gave out. No dif between them & north koreas propoganda, just in a dif. wayI can't understand why all the news orgs are taking the Chinese numbers as it's 100% real
dont trust the Chinese numbers. it means nothing, just a random number they gave out. No dif between them & north koreas propoganda, just in a dif. waySo then this whole story about retesting 320k is a farce.
BREAKING: Italian Prime Minister Conte puts all of Italy on lockdown due to coronavirus, urges people to stay at home
— BNO Newsroom (@BNODesk) March 9, 2020
And more Democrats than Republicans say they are taking steps to be prepared, including washing their hands more often or limiting their travel plans.
Democrats are about twice as likely as Republicans to say the coronavirus poses an imminent threat to the United States, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll conducted this week. (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-polarization/americans-divided-on-party-lines-over-risk-from-coronavirus-reuters-ipsos-poll-idUSKBN20T2O3)
Democrats are all about hysterics. Save the whales. Save the penguins. Save the Arctic. Global Warming. Racist!!
Republicans have better things to do with their lives.
Republicans have better things to do with their lives.Like going into hysterics about illegals etc.
Democrats are about twice as likely as Republicans to say the coronavirus poses an imminent threat to the United States, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll conducted this week. (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-polarization/americans-divided-on-party-lines-over-risk-from-coronavirus-reuters-ipsos-poll-idUSKBN20T2O3)
The importance of flattening the curve:But how would this be helping to this extent if the testing is inadequate?
https://www.vox.com/2020/3/10/21171481/coronavirus-us-cases-quarantine-cancellation
But how would this be helping to this extent if the testing is inadequate?
Testing is definitely important towards that goal, and hopefully the US will have extensive testing done very soon. But there are other methods to flatten the curve, including canceling all large events/gatherings, greater public awareness in regards to sanitizing and avoiding infection, and of course, stocking up on toilet paper.don't forget bread and milk
Testing is definitely important towards that goal, and hopefully the US will have extensive testing done very soon. But there are other methods to flatten the curve, including canceling all large events/gatherings, greater public awareness in regards to sanitizing and avoiding infection, and of course, stocking up on toilet paper.Of course there are other methods which are not dependent upon testing, but those have not really been implemented. Here we have the curve flattening based on dealing only with those surrounding cases requiring hospitalization.
Of course there are other methods which are not dependent upon testing, but those have not really been implemented. Here we have the curve flattening based on dealing only with those surrounding cases requiring hospitalization.
Agree with everything youre saying, and Im not against criticizing the US response. Unfortunately the US has been extremely incompetent in dealing with the virus and its stemming from the very top.You are missing my point. If the higher level of testing is essential then how is it flattening? This makes it seem that the current response or working very well to avoid people overloading the health-care system while containing as much as possible. If everyone with a seasonal allergy starts coming to the hospital that in itself will cause so many more to catch it. There are so many different variables that it will be impossible to know the best response until it is hindsight. Even then it will be speculative.
There are so many different variables that it will be impossible to know the best response until it is hindsight. Even then it will be speculative.You need massive testing and then quarantine where needed.
You are missing my point. If the higher level of testing is essential then how is it flattening? This makes it seem that the current response or working very well to avoid people overloading the health-care system while containing as much as possible. If everyone with a seasonal allergy starts coming to the hospital that in itself will cause so many more to catch it. There are so many different variables that it will be impossible to know the best response until it is hindsight. Even then it will be speculative.
You need massive testing and then quarantine where needed.How do you plan on implementing massive testing without risking further spread due to the testing?
How do you plan on implementing massive testing without risking further spread due to the testing?
I still don't understand your point I guess. What I'm saying is that we need to strive to flatten the curve. If we effectively quarantining ourselves we will be flattening the curve along with some other measures.Extensive testing can't be both essential to flattening the curve and the curve flattening without testing at the same time.
How do you plan on implementing massive testing without risking further spread due to the testing?By taking the proper precautions. Leave it to the medical experts. Risk vs reward.
By taking the proper precautions. Leave it to the medical experts. Risk vs reward.Meanwhile places with massive testing also have overloads on their healthcare system.
Extensive testing can't be both essential to flattening the curve and the curve flattening without testing at the same time.
Meanwhile places with maybe treating also have overloads on their healthcare system.We are not prepared for this. The worst thing we can do (according to the experts) is not test.
Testing is definitely important towards that goal, and hopefully the US will have extensive testing done very soon. But there are other methods to flatten the curve, including canceling all large events/gatherings, greater public awareness in regards to sanitizing and avoiding infection, and of course, stocking up on toilet paper.Correct. The virus is here and it's spreading at an alarming rate. There is no containing it now. The best we can do is to slow the spread down.
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca
One thing that hasn't added up to me in everything i have read. If the only people primarily vulnerable are those with compromised immune/respiratory systems, why are doctors who are treating patients dying from the virus? Unless they already have compromised systems.....
A) its affecting healthy people as well, albeit a much lower rate.
B) Im seeing claims that being exposed to a higher viral load puts them more at risk. Havent seen that proven but perhaps we know it from other viruses.
Thanx.
Figured the latter but havent seen that verified anywhere.
Just wondering, is the virus still going on in China or is it finished up?We will never know the truth as the individuals broadcasting the truth to the world have disappeared & the government covers it all up.
We will never know the truth as the individuals broadcasting the truth to the world have disappeared & the government covers it all up.
How long does it take people to recover?
Its not finished in China, but there are many ways to verify that its been getting much better over there.
B) Im seeing claims that being exposed to a higher viral load puts them at higher risk for complications. Havent seen that proven but perhaps we know it from other viruses.This would presumably fit with the speculation that the dangers are coming from the immune response rather than from the actual virus, that being a speculative reason why children are not being affected much.
Ive seen 3-6 week hospitalization period quoted often, obviously only for those that are part of the 20% that get severely ill.Thanks! Was wondering about the others as well. People who don't feel sick and are only tested because someone they were in contact with is sick. How long are they contagious / quarantined?
How can it not be all over Lakewood when half the town was at ECAP?If, indeed, someone were infected by 2/18/20, that would have been three weeks ago. It could be that there are one week old cases walking around without major symptoms yet (but still spreading it to to others). Additionally, that was in the very early stages in the US. People who were exposed were probably not exposed continually to multiple persons. Their immune system wasn't repeatedly bombarded with new exposures like what happens when around larger numbers of infected people.
If, indeed, someone were infected by 2/18/20, that would have been three weeks ago. It could be that there are one week old cases walking around without major symptoms yet (but still spreading it to to others). Additionally, that was in the very early stages in the US. People who were exposed were probably not exposed continually to multiple persons. Their immune system wasn't repeatedly bombarded with new exposures like what happens when around larger numbers of infected people.That was the same time that the lawyer was there.
STAY AWAY FROM CROWDS and even GROUPS.
How can it not be all over Lakewood when half the town was at ECAP?
Thanks! Was wondering about the others as well. People who don't feel sick and are only tested because someone they were in contact with is sick. How long are they contagious / quarantined?
If, indeed, someone were infected by 2/18/20, that would have been three weeks ago. It could be that there are one week old cases walking around without major symptoms yet (but still spreading it to to others). Additionally, that was in the very early stages in the US. People who were exposed were probably not exposed continually to multiple persons. Their immune system wasn't repeatedly bombarded with new exposures like what happens when around larger numbers of infected people.
STAY AWAY FROM CROWDS and even GROUPS.
If they are tested positive, I believe they need to be tested again after 14 days and get a negative result. A couple issues with that - the tests do have some false negatives, and there have been people that recovered and were "reinfected", which supposedly means they either weren't tested right or the virus was undetectable at that point.
As many communities are making the decision to shut down, if you do have an opportunity to pray in a minyan over the next couple of days then please enjoy it, honor it, cherish it and celebrate it. Sing, dance and thank Hashem!
Even something as simple as praying with a minyan can disappear in an instant. Say Amen and dance with joy that you have the opportunity to pray with a minyan today. May we merit to be healthy and always pray in a minyan.
The next minyan you go to may be the last minyan youll have for a while. Enjoy every second of it and speak to Hashem from your heart.
Wishing you all a Happy and Healthy day!
As many communities are making the decision to shut down, if you do have an opportunity to pray in a minyan over the next couple of days then please enjoy it, honor it, cherish it and celebrate it. Sing, dance and thank Hashem!
Even something as simple as praying with a minyan can disappear in an instant. Say Amen and dance with joy that you have the opportunity to pray with a minyan today. May we merit to be healthy and always pray in a minyan.
The next minyan you go to may be the last minyan youll have for a while. Enjoy every second of it and speak to Hashem from your heart.
Wishing you all a Happy and Healthy day!
BREAKING: Congress shutting US Capitol, House and Senate office buildings to public until April 1 in reaction to coronavirus. https://t.co/15buymaDp9
— The Associated Press (@AP) March 12, 2020
WA is reporting that all schools in israel will be closed until after pesach, true?They mean Bein Hazmanim
They mean Bein HazmanimSaw that joke, its 2 weeks before bein hazmanim
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/12/new-york-gov-cuomo-bans-gatherings-of-500-or-more-amid-coronavirus-outbreak.htmlNJ similar announcement gonna follow shortly ...
Nail in the coffin for all NY/NJ Pesach programs???Hope not! Theyll keep it to >500
Given the incubation period and the fact that its a frum guy who presumably goes to shul it is exceedingly likely that it is already becoming widespread in the frum community as we speak.
And now we have Trump and Pence posing with a COVID positive individual and not going into quarantine.
https://www.the-sun.com/news/528592/president-trump-coronavirus-brazil-aide-mike-pence/
The two have interacted with dozens of to lawmakers and business leaders in the last few days alone.
10, 9, 8, 7, 6.....
Madam President?
All the officials who did not impose martial law around the cities with COVID because of the economy, and the FAA for not stopping flights immediately because of economic impact , and hoping this will go away here we are with covid spreading and economy in the ground. Well done !These things have humongous impacts, and it's not just the economy. This rhetoric of pre-emptively shutting down the entire country makes it sound like we're discussing the black plague.
Market in a freefall. I guess tweets is not going to help.
POTUS should shut down stock market for 7 days, then revisit in 7 days.If he did that it would take more than a decade to recover.
After 9/11 they closed the market for like 5-6 trading days.
With all the other shutdowns - seems like it might preserve somw of the wealth in 401k's.
POTUS should shut down stock market for 7 days, then revisit in 7 days.+1
After 9/11 they closed the market for like 5-6 trading days.
With all the other shutdowns - seems like it might preserve somw of the wealth in 401k's.
If he did that it would take more than a decade to recover.
Some people here are way too young to remember that, or even to remember 9/11 as an event that happened in their lifetime.I guess then they would not know how many years it took the NASDAQ to recover from the dot-com bubble? ;)
If he did that it would take more than a decade to recover.
Is there no way to protect the markets from catastrophe? I'm not an expert on this, but I would think they should have some kind of measures in place in the event of a world war etc.Nope.
Is there no way to protect the markets from catastrophe? I'm not an expert on this, but I would think they should have some kind of measures in place in the event of a world war etc.Prevent people from getting their money?
US cases going up at a higher rate than Italy. Not taking drastic measures now will mean more deaths later. When will our leadership act?Twice as high. And that's with grossly insufficient testing. We have no leadership. USA is doomed.
How does the US healthcare system compare to Italy?Italy has more beds per capita. USA may have better doctors, but Italy has national medicine with better organization than the fragmented incomprhensive system in the USA.
How does the US healthcare system compare to Italy?Not prepared the same as Italy to handle what is coming if we don't do something. We have less beds per capita than Italy.
Here's a post with pictures from a wedding in Kfar Chabad with the 100+ people rule enforced.You cut down on exponential spread if crows are maintained.
https://col.org.il/news/123603
I honestly don't see how the rule makes much of a difference. There's close contact, holding hands etc. Unless everyone has 100% awareness of hand washing and sanitizing OFTEN (probably in such a setting should be greater than 30 times per hour) this can easily contribute to the spread.
I was at my BIL's Chabad House Purim party this week. There too I saw 0 awareness. Buffet out there for everyone to help themselves, etc etc.
Maybe rather than limit gathering size there should be mandatory hand sanitizing stands every 10-15 feet in gatherings (and shuls).
Here's a post with pictures from a wedding in Kfar Chabad with the 100+ people rule enforced.
https://col.org.il/news/123603
I honestly don't see how the rule makes much of a difference. There's close contact, holding hands etc. Unless everyone has 100% awareness of hand washing and sanitizing OFTEN (probably in such a setting should be greater than 30 times per hour) this can easily contribute to the spread.
I was at my BIL's Chabad House Purim party this week. There too I saw 0 awareness. Buffet out there for everyone to help themselves, etc etc.
Maybe rather than limit gathering size there should be mandatory hand sanitizing stands every 10-15 feet in gatherings (and shuls).
Purim was frightening. 0 awareness. 0 precautions. 0 change in behaviors. I'm usually the skeptic and the one saying not to make a fuss and to calm the hysteria. Now I'm being called a fear monger. I'm getting laughed at for not shaking hands with people.I heard that your uncle's party turned into a family gathering as no one showed up.
The lack of precautions in our community is staggering.
Simple reason for that is that many people dont have access general population does , and they really have no idea how severe it really is
The lack of precautions in our community is staggering.
Simple reason for that is that many people dont have access general population does , and they really have no idea how severe it really isLocal doctors have been absolutely terrible at providing info and guidance.
Simple reason for that is that many people dont have access general population does , and they really have no idea how severe it really isI would normal hit one of my hotkey responses but see no need to. ;)
Local doctors have been absolutely terrible at providing info and guidance....and when they do. ::)
All I know, is that my pediatrician told someone to turn off the news and relax. He said its not much worse than the flu
I would normal hit one of my hotkey responses but see no need to. ;)
The whole point is that we should be advising people *not* to get out moreTrue but a catch 22.
Purim was frightening. 0 awareness. 0 precautions. 0 change in behaviors. I'm usually the skeptic and the one saying not to make a fuss and to calm the hysteria. Now I'm being called a fear monger. I'm getting laughed at for not shaking hands with people.
The lack of precautions in our community is staggering.
POTUS should shut down stock market for 7 days, then revisit in 7 days.The market will come roaring back, the only ones who will lose are the ones who take their money out now. Anyone not close to or in retirement has nothing to worry about.
After 9/11 they closed the market for like 5-6 trading days.
With all the other shutdowns - seems like it might preserve somw of the wealth in 401k's.
The market will come roaring back, the only ones who will lose are the ones who take their money out now. Anyone not close to or in retirement has nothing to worry about....and you base this on your crystal ball?
...and you base this on your crystal ball?I base it on what's happened every time.
I base it on what's happened every time.The old past performance is a guarantee of future performance. ::)
I base it on what's happened every time.When was the last time this happened? Especially when combined with the collapse in oil.
I base it on what's happened every time.Based on this every time it happened how long do you need for it to recover? 1, 2, 5 10 or more years?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/new-coronavirus-test-10-times-faster-is-fda-approved/ar-BB118ePt?ocid=spartanntp
10x faster than before but still 15x slower than China...Yup but better than what we got. Every little bit helps.
CROWN HEIGHTS: Principals notified parents all CH Schools are closed, saying there are 3 confirmed coronavirus cases in the Jewish community.https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=114643.msg2210460#msg2210460
True?
China now blaming US military.
For the Wuhan China Coronavirus?Yes!
When was the last time this happened? Especially when combined with the collapse in oil.Japan. If you wait long enough. They are still waiting.
China now blaming US military.Lol
LolIt would be funny but that is going to sour already bad relations.
It would be funny but that is going to sour already bad relations.
VA have done 70 tests so far. Yes you heard right, not 70k, not 7k, not 700 but 70. A total disgrace!!!I don't get it. How hard is it to test?
I don't get it.Join the rest of the country.
Israel update -Any deaths?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/iran-coronavirus-outbreak-graves/costs to view
Any deaths?
Hey Dan - Man has 17000 bottles he can't sell
https://www.yahoo.com/news/17-700-bottles-hand-sanitizer-155735689.html
This article infuriated me. I believe in capitalism in the free market but this is messed up.What do you feel should happen here?
The amount of US cases has been doubling every 3 days as is the amount of new cases per day.
What do you feel should happen here?
In Italy its shooting up daily, more than 2k additional cases per day, even though they are under lockdown. Why aren't their numbers of new cases going down?
Can be many reasonsPeople who ignore restrictions are highly irresponsible, selfish people. That is why Israel had to track people using their phones to ensure they keep to the quarantine...
-5 day average to start seeing symptoms
-increased testing
-family members infecting each other
-people ignoring restrictions
How does it work? Let's say I wanna get tested, where do I go?
How does it work? Let's say I wanna get tested, where do I go?
What do you feel should happen here?He should go sell it to medical facilities for cost price.
Join the rest of the country.Why was the CDC initially so reluctant to produce test kits? Were there any regulations that kept this back?
He should go sell it to medical facilities for cost price.
What do you feel should happen here?Besides thrown in jail?
How does it work? Let's say I wanna get tested, where do I go?There are not enough test for the general public to get tested no matter what our leaders are saying. So for now you just have to wait unless you start showing signs.
How does it work? Let's say I wanna get tested, where do I go?Start home and isolate yourself. Do not go get tested and endanger anyone
Start home and isolate yourself. Do not go get tested and endanger anyoneOr go to a drive thru test location
Or go to a drive thru test locationThat is probably the smartest idea.
That is probably the smartest idea.We should mimic what has been working in other countries.
That is probably the smartest idea.
It's alleged that it will give too many false negatives, given that it's only 90% accurate.That is not good, source?
That is not good, source?https://www.roi-nj.com/2020/03/14/opinion/life-at-the-epicenter-of-n-j-s-coronavirus-outbreak/
https://www.roi-nj.com/2020/03/14/opinion/life-at-the-epicenter-of-n-j-s-coronavirus-outbreak/I hope the blame game doesn't start happening.
I hope the blame game doesn't start happening.You have been around long enough.
You have been around long enough.I hope for the best but am a realist.
I hope for the best but am a realist.
I wonder if anyone thought of contacting their local USPS for masks. I will bet they have tons of they laying around.
We should mimic what has been working in other countries.What is that short of welding apartment buildings shut?
What is that short of welding apartment buildings shut?Is losing some freedom temporarily to save lives worth it?
Is losing some freedom temporarily to save lives worth it?Think no access to food, medical care etc.
Is losing some freedom temporarily to save lives worth it?That is not some freedom. It is placing large populations in jail with little bssis. Is it even clear that it really worked?
Is it even clear that it really worked?The limited info so far says it does work. Look at China if those numbers can be believed.
The limited info so far says it does work. Look at China if those numbers can be believed.They can't and never could. There could be a million fatalities and we would never know. It can very well be that it peaked naturally.
It can very well be that it peaked naturally.What evidence do you have that this is even a remote possibility?
What evidence do you have that this is even a remote possibility?There is no way of knowing one way or another. We don't even know the truth about what is happenng there in the first place.
They are probably conserving them in order to keep the USPS operating.we can restart the ups method
Look at China if those numbers can be believed.The big IF. I personally dont believe anything coming from their state run media. Do their numbers include the people welded shut & the ones dragged off ? The ones I believed for honest reporting have unfortunately been quarantined indefinitely.
There is no way of knowing one way or another. We don't even know the truth about what is happenng there in the first place.You can keep telling yourself that and I will listen to all the experts.
You can keep telling yourself that and I will listen to all the experts.Killing everyone with a fever also works.
There is ZERO evidence China peaked naturally!!!
Killing everyone with a fever also works.So does the A-bomb but just like your other posts it is pie in the sky. Listen to the experts!!!
So does the A-bomb but just like your other posts it is pie in the sky. Listen to the experts!!!How close did China get to that?
Hizzoner still ignoring calls to shut schools down.
What I dont get is that if the risk is mostly for older people - why not only quarantine the older people (or people with peer is ting conditions) and not shut down the entire economy?
Older people dont normally have young children in school or work (assuming 70+ at least) as much etc.
Hospitals wont be able to handle the problem if everyone gets sick.Younger people dont usually get that sick to need respirators etc (from what I understand)
Simply not enough beds, respirators etc etc
Younger people dont usually get that sick to need respirators etc (from what I understand)
Younger people dont usually get that sick to need respirators etc (from what I understand)
There weren't enough beds in some NJ hospitals for flu patients *last year*.
They need to shut cities down *now*
20% hospitalization rate includes a lot of young and healthy people.
Source? and please clarify what you mean by alot? Not suggesting that young people shouldn't have a societal obligation to socially distance (obviously they should).
What I dont get is that if the risk is mostly for older people - why not only quarantine the older people (or people with peer is ting conditions) and not shut down the entire economy?I agree with you. Although the talk here says that if we allow all the young people to get it at once, we'd overwhelm the medical system, too.
Older people dont normally have young children in school or work (assuming 70+ at least) as much etc.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/15/federal-reserve-cuts-rates-to-zero-and-launches-massive-700-billion-quantitative-easing-program.htmlThe economy is toast. Nothing can will cure that except time.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/15/federal-reserve-cuts-rates-to-zero-and-launches-massive-700-billion-quantitative-easing-program.htmlCopy and paste from 2008? What are today's Merrill and Bear Stearns?
?s=19Gov Cuomo announced Westchester, Nassau, Suffolk & NYC schools will close w/ childcare for essential workers & food programs
— Melissa DeRosa (@melissadderosa) March 15, 2020
NYC must have a plan for childcare &food in place within the next 24 hours
Schools will close in NYC early this week; Nassau/SUFFOLK/Westchester tomorrow
The economy is toast. Nothing can will cure that except time.
Consumer spending is through the roof :)We have a thread for this garbage. Please use it.
We have a thread for this garbage. Please use it.
Listen we missed you but its suspect that when the country is doing so well you disappeared suddenly when a virus hits you resurface.......Face it your worries have ALL been NONFOUNDED! You are a fear monger. This country will get through this god willing.
We have a thread for this garbage. Please use it.
South Korea was doing a fantastic job of controlling #COVIDー19 for the first 30 patients. Then #Patient31 came along, did not adhere to social distancing and caused 2 clusters that were responsible for 80% of South Korea's infections. Don't be #Patient31. https://t.co/7e3a1h28eJ
— Amee Vanderpool (@girlsreallyrule) March 15, 2020
20% hospitalization rate: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/
What do I mean by a lot - don't have an exact number for this - but even if it's 2-3% for young/healthy it's enough to contribute to overwhelming the hospitals. Currently from anecdotal data, eg. all 11 patients in Holy name are under 48, and 32 y/o healthy doctor in Hackensack was first case and in ICU, Dr Li Wenliang was young and healthy, etc. Also assuming that if 20% is correct, there's got to be healthy people part of that number.
THREAD: Everyone is talking how S Korea handled Coronavirus well.
— Yossi Gestetner (@YossiGestetner) March 15, 2020
-Their first known case was a day BEFORE the US.
- Despite not doing what SK did, US severity cases (critically ill + dead) as of March 15 is smaller relatively speaking. (US population is 6.5 X the size of SK).
What is S Korea doing that is working? Is it what everyone is advocating? Is it really working?Check what the experts are saying. ;)
Check what the experts are saying. ;)Where did they discuss what did and didn't work in SK? I was looking for that.
Check what the experts are saying. ;)Which experts, China, Italy, SK or from the UK?
Which experts, China, Italy, SK or from the UK?
Where did they discuss what did and didn't work in SK? I was looking for that.Why don't you look at the numbers and then claim it is a natural peak. :P
Why don't you look at the numbers and then claim it is a natural peak. :PBut what is it that they are doing? Meanwhile they are still very far worse off than us.
What does “crowded” mean?
— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) March 14, 2020
If you can’t stay 6ft away from other people, it’s too close. In general, when going outside try to stay at least 6 feet away from others as much as you possibly can.
But what is it that they are doing? Meanwhile they are still very far worse off than us.Not sure why you say they are far worse. Are you looking at all the numbers like number of tests? They are testing more people per capita than anywhere else in the world.
Not sure why you say they are far worse. Are you looking at all the numbers like number of tests? They are testing more people per capita than anywhere else in the world.In a country of 51m they have over 8000 cases . That is much worse than 3000 for 331m or about 1000 in the NY Metro with population 21m. They do seem to be doing better with fatalities for those infected, but 60% of the fatalities were surrounding the one nursing home in WA. NY Metro has 3.
In a country of 51m they have over 8000 cases . That is much worse than 3000 for 331m or about 1000 in the NY Metro with population 21m. They do seem to be doing better with fatalities for those infected, but 60% of the fatalities were surrounding the one nursing home in WA. NY Metro has 3....and are their numbers going up or down? We know our numbers are going up at a high rate.
...and are their numbers going up or down? We know our numbers are going up at a high rate.Not nearly as high as theirs did. Lack of testing would account for non serious cases only.
Number of cases have to be adjusted for testing. ;)
Not nearly as high as theirs did. Lack of testing would account for non serious cases only.
US is still diagnosing cases posthumously. Numbers dont give me much confidence.Okay, is there any evidence that we are worse than SK or is it presumption?
Not nearly as high as theirs did.That wasn't the question but we know why you didn't answer it. Their numbers are going down while ours are going up at a high rate. They are doing something right and we are doing something wrong just like Italy.
That wasn't the question but we know why you didn't answer it. Their numbers are going down while ours are going up at a high rate. They are doing something right and we are doing something wrong just like Italy.Our numbers are not going up as quickly as theirs did. A successfully flattened curve would still be going up while unflattened curve would already be declining. I am not saying that this is what is happening and, of course, have no data to back this up. That it will rise to be worse than SK is speculation. Once speculating, let's see the optimistic speculation as well. Note that, even with this optimistic view, it is likely to get much worse before it gets better.
Okay, is there any evidence that we are worse than SK or is it presumption?
Our numbers are not going up as quickly as theirs did. A successfully flattened curve would still be going up while unflattened curve would already be declining.Blah blah blah. I asked a simple question and you refused to answer because it doesn't support your twisting of the numbers.
US has a higher death rate and lower recovered rate. Higher death rate means we missed a lot of cases due to lack of testing and lower recovered rate means we're only starting to pick up on new cases now. Aside for that, SK numbers are declining due to better knowledge of where it spread and how to contain it, while US numbers are skyrocketing. Also SK is performing better despite having to deal with a secretive cult that were extremely careless and not cooperative.If you take out the nursing home in WA the death rate drops by over 50%.
US has a higher death rate and lower recovered rate. Higher death rate means we missed a lot of cases due to lack of testing and lower recovered rate means we're only starting to pick up on new cases now. Aside for that, SK numbers are declining due to better knowledge of where it spread and how to contain it, while US numbers are skyrocketing. Also SK is performing better despite having to deal with a secretive cult that were extremely careless and not cooperative.You are starting to wear on me. :)
If you take out the nursing home in WA the death rate drops by over 50%.If you take out SK aggressive testing they would have less cases then us. If a frog had a tail ...
Blah blah blah. I asked a simple question and you refused to answer because it doesn't support your twisting of the numbers.Yes theirs are going down, but if the US had done the absolute best possible that is what would happen to have US cases going up while places which did not flatten the curve would be already going down..
Let me ask again in case you forgot. Our numbers are going up at a high rate. Are their numbers going up or down? Hint: It is not up!!! :P
If you take out SK aggressive testing they would have less cases then us. If a frog had a tail ...When did this aggressive testing start?
Yes theirs are going down,Thank you.
...but if the US had done the absolute best possible that is what would happen to have US cases going up while places which did not flatten the curve would be already going down..Not following what you are saying.
When did this aggressive testing start?Not sure.
If you take out the nursing home in WA the death rate drops by over 50%.
Thank you.Not following what you are saying.Not sure.
A successfully flattened curve would still be going up while unflattened curve would already be declining. I am not saying that this is what is happening and, of course, have no data to back this up. That it will rise to be worse than SK is speculation. Once speculating, let's see the optimistic speculation as well. Note that, even with this optimistic view, it is likely to get much worse before it gets better.Did the testing regime start before or after the number of new cases started to drop at the end of February?
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Did the testing regime start before or after the number of new cases started to drop at the end of February?Don't know.
Our numbers are not going up as quickly as theirs did. A successfully flattened curve would still be going up while unflattened curve would already be declining. I am not saying that this is what is happening and, of course, have no data to back this up. That it will rise to be worse than SK is speculation. Once speculating, let's see the optimistic speculation as well. Note that, even with this optimistic view, it is likely to get much worse before it gets better.
Note that for us to be as bad as it was in SK we would need to have about 42,000 cases and close to 600 fatalities.
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You can guess which country is which.Blue is SK? ;)
Flattening the curve is important if the curve will hit above the dotted line. But the way I see it projected is like the attached.I understand that. Just trying to be optimistic.
You can guess which country is which.
- China has closed down its last coronavirus hospital.
— ken caillat (@kencaillat) March 15, 2020
Not enough new cases to support them.
- Indian Doctors successful in treating Corona. Combination of drugs used: Lopinavir, Retonovir, Oseltamivir along with Chlorphenamine.
They are going suggest same medicine globally.
- China has closed down its last coronavirus hospital.
— ken caillat (@kencaillat) March 15, 2020
Not enough new cases to support them.
- Indian Doctors successful in treating Corona. Combination of drugs used: Lopinavir, Retonovir, Oseltamivir along with Chlorphenamine.
They are going suggest same medicine globally.
Yeh, India's numbers are very doubtful.
What does it say when we can't even protect those that help us the most?This has been an unfortunate trend all over the world.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/two-emergency-room-doctors-are-in-critical-condition-with-coronavirus/ar-BB11ecaw?li=BBnb7Kz
https://hamodia.com/2020/03/16/health-officials-warns-use-anti-inflammatory-drugs-tackle-coronavirus/Talking about France, Macron is going to speak at 3pm Est. All signs indicate that they going in lockdown like Italy.
France's Health Minister telling people suffering from Coronavirus not to take Advil/Motrin (ibuprofen) or cortisone, but rather to take Tylenol (paracetamol).
Does anyone know if this is a widespread opinion, or only a daas yochid? @jj1000
https://hamodia.com/2020/03/16/health-officials-warns-use-anti-inflammatory-drugs-tackle-coronavirus/I've read this is utter fake news
France's Health Minister telling people suffering from Coronavirus not to take Advil/Motrin (ibuprofen) or cortisone, but rather to take Tylenol (paracetamol).
Does anyone know if this is a widespread opinion, or only a daas yochid? @jj1000
I've read this is utter fake news...but expect Tylenol to fly off the shelves.
...but expect Tylenol to fly off the shelves.
Not in France. They made it prescription only a few weeks agoSmart.
Daycare programs can stay open. We are not ordering the closure of childcare programs at this time, Baker said. The state will prioritize childcare for kids of healthcare workers and first responders who still have to go to work. If anyone at a childcare program had direct or indirect contact with someone who has COVID-19, Baker said, the business should follow guidelines by the Department of Early Education and Care and the Department of Public Health and temporarily close. Residential schools for special needs students and group homes may also stay open.https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/03/16/metro/what-you-need-know-about-coronavirus-emergency-measures-massachusetts/?outputType=amp
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/03/16/metro/what-you-need-know-about-coronavirus-emergency-measures-massachusetts/?outputType=ampMy one daughter works in daycare and I am worried for her.
I've heard reports that there's a massive outbreak in CH, but no testing available. Is that accurate?As a resident of Crown Heights, I can say it's totally accurate. Hard to put a number to it, but my estimate (based on friends that have symptoms) would be 500+ here alone.
As a resident of Crown Heights, I can say it's totally accurate. Hard to put a number to it, but my estimate (based on friends that have symptoms) would be 500+ here alone.If 500 people have it and shuls are still open, rabbonim will literally have blood on their hands.
It's not that no testing is available, people are being told (by Hatzolah, Doctors) not to go for testing, even with symptoms.
Even with all the above, many people here are continuing life as usual. Shuls are still open, stores, etc. Seems like people don't take any measures unless forced to do so, and even then...
If 500 people have it and shuls are still open, rabbonim will literally have blood on their hands.Lakewood and BP will be in the same place in a few days if they don't take action now. Actually, it might already be too late.
If 500 people have it and shuls are still open, rabbonim will literally have blood on their hands.
It's not that no testing is available, people are being told (by Hatzolah, Doctors) not to go for testing, even with symptoms.Why? What am I missing?
Lakewood and BP will be in the same place in a few days if they don't take action now. Actually, it might already be too late.Asisa offices are testing in BP.
Are they at least telling them to quarantine themselves?If you feel sick/symptoms, yes.
If you feel sick/symptoms, yes.That's a plus.
Why? What am I missing?
Are they at least telling them to quarantine themselves?
My kids' school is still open. We have not been sending this week but my kids are now at a disadvantage because they are not catering to the kids who are staying home.Do they follow R Chaims instructions ?
I'm wondering, with all the all medical and rabbinical figures advocating for closure, who are the ones advocating to keep schools open? Who is taking that achrayis?
To be clear, they are saying that if you have symptoms, there is no point in going in to the doctor, just quarantine immediately, as the doctor can't prescribe anything anyway. Going to the doctor puts more people at risk, including the doctor.Yes, thank you for clarifying. I missed this part.
They did explicitly say that if someone has severe symptoms or if symptoms persist more than 6-7 days to call the doctor.
This disease mostly affects older, not well people. So children and daycare teachers who are young and healthy are not at great risk of getting very ill or dying. It will seem like a cold or regular flu.
The self-quarantine is to slow the spread so large numbers of really sick people don't flood the healthcare system at once.
So calm down about your children and school. Be very wary for your parents and grandparents.
This disease mostly affects older, not well people. So children and daycare teachers who are young and healthy are not at great risk of getting very ill or dying. It will seem like a cold or regular flu.-1. Yesterday there were 6 ICU cases in Teaneck. All under 50.
The self-quarantine is to slow the spread so large numbers of really sick people don't flood the healthcare system at once.
So calm down about your children and school. Be very wary for your parents and grandparents.
Yeh, India's numbers are very doubtful.
Anyone who doesnt fit your narrative is doubtful....
I've heard reports that there's a massive outbreak in CH, but no testing available. Is that accurate?Understatement
Anyone else seeing longer than usual delivery estimates on amazon?yes,it was mentioned here somewhere, my items are taking much longer to be fulfilled as well
This disease mostly affects older, not well people. So children and daycare teachers who are young and healthy are not at great risk of getting very ill or dying. It will seem like a cold or regular flu.
The self-quarantine is to slow the spread so large numbers of really sick people don't flood the healthcare system at once.
So calm down about your children and school. Be very wary for your parents and grandparents.
yes,it was mentioned here somewhere, my items are taking much longer to be fulfilled as wellAmazon employees are allowed to take off with no questions asked. Then they have the nerve to call mandatory overtime. You can't make this stuff up.
Talking about France, Macron is going to speak at 3pm Est. All signs indicate that they going in lockdown like Italy.It's official, France goes on lockdown tomorrow noon like Italy. No rent due for corporations.
To be clear, they are saying that if you have symptoms, there is no point in going in to the doctor, just quarantine immediately, as the doctor can't prescribe anything anyway. Going to the doctor puts more people at risk, including the doctor.They're also saying that 80%+ of the community has already been exposed to the virus.
They did explicitly say that if someone has severe symptoms or if symptoms persist more than 6-7 days to call the doctor.
They're also saying that 80%+ of the community has already been exposed to the virus.
It's official, France goes on lockdown tomorrow noon like Italy. No rent due for corporations.My friend who lives in France has been posting videos of military vehicles being transported.
My friend who lives in France has been posting videos of military vehicles being transported.Yes, saw the pictures. Probably to help out with the situation, not like China.
Anyone else seeing longer than usual delivery estimates on amazon?
https://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2020-03-16/amazon-seeks-to-hire-100-000-to-keep-up-with-surge-in-ordersMass amounts are not showing up for work.
Here is a question: how many people have died from this illness worldwide? Its been around for a little bit already. Are there any concrete numbers.7115
https://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2020-03-16/amazon-seeks-to-hire-100-000-to-keep-up-with-surge-in-orders
Cant believe amazon would hire people when a nationwide lockdown could happen. unless they fell that deliveries will be excluded
I cant believeAmazon is the best thing, people can get everything they need without coming in contact with anyone.https://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2020-03-16/amazon-seeks-to-hire-100-000-to-keep-up-with-surge-in-orders
Cant believe amazon would hire people when a nationwide lockdown could happen. unless they fell that deliveries will be excluded
How many people usually die in a single day around the world? Much much more than that.
Hashem should be protect us and we should do some hishtadlus. At the same time, is it really worth destroying entire economies, shutting down Yeshivas and all sense or normal life. What will happen when we are still sitting with all of our kids around and no jobs and Money for anyone. It could come to rioting in the streets cvs , a run on banks or worse cvs. I am of the opinion to open everything up to normal.
I know its not popular what I am saying, but we are doing worse to our lives what this illness can ever do
How many people usually die in a single day around the world? Much much more than that.Perhaps its doing worse to your & my life than this illness could ever do, but what about the elderly & ill ? Would you change your mind after X amount of deaths or you stick with it no matter what ?
Hashem should be protect us and we should do some hishtadlus. At the same time, is it really worth destroying entire economies, shutting down Yeshivas and all sense or normal life. What will happen when we are still sitting with all of our kids around and no jobs and Money for anyone. It could come to rioting in the streets cvs , a run on banks or worse cvs. I am of the opinion to open everything up to normal.
I know its not popular what I am saying, but we are doing worse to our lives what this illness can ever do
Perhaps its doing worse to your & my life than this illness could ever do, but what about the elderly & ill ? Would you change your mind after X amount of deaths or you stick with it no matter what ?And my question to you is how many deaths from the flu season has to occur to take the same cautionary steps they are taking now.
How many people usually die in a single day around the world? Much much more than that.
Hashem should be protect us and we should do some hishtadlus. At the same time, is it really worth destroying entire economies, shutting down Yeshivas and all sense or normal life. What will happen when we are still sitting with all of our kids around and no jobs and Money for anyone. It could come to rioting in the streets cvs , a run on banks or worse cvs. I am of the opinion to open everything up to normal.
I know its not popular what I am saying, but we are doing worse to our lives what this illness can ever do
I dont know anything about 1917Then educate yourself before spewing non-sense.
And my question to you is how many deaths from the flu season has to occur to take the same cautionary steps they are taking now.By the time it switches it will be too late. Definitely by the time even ignorant people admit that it switches.
The answer is at this point it is not a magaifa it is a illness. If it switches cvs. everything changes.
And btw I agree elderly should stay away from people.
Yup. Actually getting this from daas torah. And btw All the Gedolim said to keep Yeshivas minyanin openשקר וכזב
By the time it switches it will be too late. Definitely by the time even ignorant people admit that it switches.It has been around for a few months already. Iyh not switching
שקר וכזבR chaim Kanievsky shlita did it did not say to keep Yeshivas open?!??!
R chaim Kanievsky shlita did it did not say to keep Yeshivas open?!??!At one point.
It has been around for a few months already. Iyh not switchingIt has been in NY area for a while? Source?
It has been in NY area for a while? Source?Its been in the world for a while, and I cant say this enough that even one death is too much hashem yishmor, 7000 deaths however over this much time is not a epidemic or a mageifa
Its been in the world for a while, and I cant say this enough that even one death is too much hashem yishmor, 7000 deaths however over this much time is not a epidemic or a mageifaYou realize that has doubled over the past week, yes?
Its been in the world for a while, and I cant say this enough that even one death is too much hashem yishmor, 7000 deaths however over this much time is not a epidemic or a mageifa
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/israel-news/1839949/showdown-despite-police-visit-to-harav-chaim-kanievsky-the-rav-says-that-yeshivas-chadarim-cannot-be-closed.html (https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/israel-news/1839949/showdown-despite-police-visit-to-harav-chaim-kanievsky-the-rav-says-that-yeshivas-chadarim-cannot-be-closed.html)Do you mean this letter where he says to split into groups of 10?
March 15
Its been in the world for a while, and I cant say this enough that even one death is too much hashem yishmor, 7000 deaths however over this much time is not a epidemic or a mageifa1. Yes it took time to reach here, but now it has.
Do you mean this letter where he says to split into groups of 10?It does not say anywhere split into ten, it says keep some distance and stay home if sick. Which like I said keep minimum hishtadlus.
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/israel-news/1840119/new-corona-health-letter-from-rav-chaim-kanievsky-and-rav-gershon-edelstein.html
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It does not say anywhere split into ten, it says keep some distance and stay home if sick. Which like I said keep minimum hishtadlus.ahh because he doesn't say amounts and distances? ::) Besides, he is not the only gadol and is not discussing the US at all.
You realize that has doubled over the past week, yes?Yes, it has now spread almost across the almost whole world and the deaths are much less than flu like disease. Definitely Dont want this at all.
Now do the math over the next few weeks, H"Y.
Yes, it has now spread almost across the almost whole world and the deaths are much less than flu like disease. Definitely Dont want this at all.
But What does that have to do with the riots that will be taking place soon or the millions of families that cant afford to buy groceries next month. Cvs
ahh because he doesn't say amounts and distances? ::) Besides, he is not the only gadol and is not discussing the US at all.Wow, conversation is now over with you.
Wow, conversation is now over with you.Well okay then. Why don't you ask him if we should listen to the local rabbonim or not.
Wow, conversation is now over with you.
Well okay then.That was quick. I usually last longer than that. :)
Still the elephant in the room. There are hundreds of families that I know and probably millions that won't have money to buy food within a few days.There should be government help with this. And employers that can afford to pay its workers should do so.
Any solutions?
I'm working with our federation but that's still at least a week out and probably longer.
It has been around for a few months already. Iyh not switchingDude. Last week there wasn't a single case in Crown Heights. Now it's אין בית אשר אין שם.
Still the elephant in the room. There are hundreds of families that I know and probably millions that won't have money to buy food within a few days.Help out where you can.
Any solutions?
Dude. Last week there wasn't a single case in Crown Heights. Now it's אין בית אשר אין שם.Hashem yishmor!! A Refuah sheleima to every yid bkarov mamesh.
Dude. Last week there wasn't a single case in Crown Heights. Now it's אין בית אשר אין שם.
Hashem yishmor!! A Refuah sheleima to every yid bkarov mamesh.
Please dont take any offense but I am asking because this is a very serious situation that needs serious thought . Have there been any deaths, lo aleinu?
Unfortunately, was foreseen.Yup. Was called hysterical, a fear monger and more because I exoressed shock that no guidelines were made for Purim.
No. A few people in critical condition. We're talking a matter of days.
Your cavalier "any deaths" when I have grandparents living in fear surrounded by hundreds of infected patients is sickening.
People who got engaged a week ago are being advised to get married with just a minyan within weeks due to the uncertain future.
Hospitals are already full in NYC.
Please, I beg you, listen to the experts who have been tracking this for months. Stay. Home. And stop spewing trash that could endanger lives were anyone to listen.
Older people should quarantine themselves. Agreed.
Experts deal with the disease itself, not all the ramifications that come with it.
Put the economy back and Yeshivas and life back!
While I am being urged to stay home as much as possible de Blasio still wants me to move my car tomorrow for ASP so he can fill up his fat pockets at a time of emergency. :o :o :oInexcusable that ASP isn't suspended when people are being told not to leave the house.
And he wanted to be POTUS....
Yup. Was called hysterical, a fear monger and more because I exoressed shock that no guidelines were made for Purim.Unfortunately, I am still called like that.
People still don't get it. I was just told that at the wedding which I attended yesterday there was a guy who tested positive today.Were they not told to self-quarantine until they got the results? Should have been.
What the hell is wrong with people? This guy was not feeling well and went Motzei Shabbos to get tested. Why go to a wedding and kis and hug others? (yes, I watched him doing that)
>:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
People still don't get it. I was just told that at the wedding which I attended yesterday there was a guy who tested positive today.Where was this?
What the hell is wrong with people? This guy was not feeling well and went Motzei Shabbos to get tested. Why go to a wedding and kis and hug others? (yes, I watched him doing that)
>:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
While I am being urged to stay home as much as possible de Blasio still wants me to move my car tomorrow for ASP so he can fill up his fat pockets at a time of emergency. :o :o :oSuspend Alternate Side Parking in NYC due to Coronavirus Epidemic. Do you agree?
And he wanted to be POTUS....
Were they not told to self-quarantine until they got the results? Should have been.In all likelihood, they were. A local doctor was kicking supposed quarantined people out of weddings last week.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy/italys-coronavirus-toll-surges-as-worries-grow-over-hospitals-idUSKBN2120XN
The head of the civil protection authority, Angelo Borelli, said that Lombardy had been able to transfer 40 patients to other regions and said he was so far unaware of any cases of patients dying because of a lack of intensive care facilities.
But the health systems in Lombardy and in other regions such as Emilia Romagna and Veneto at the epicenter of the Italian outbreak have been pushed to their limits.
The numbers have continued to grow. Were close to the moment where we will have no more intensive care beds, Lombardy governor Attilio Fontana told SkyTG24 television.
Were they not told to self-quarantine until they got the results? Should have been.Of course he was hence my post.
Where was this?Continental hall in Williamsburg.
Suspend Alternate Side Parking in NYC due to Coronavirus Epidemic. Do you agree?
http://chng.it/hxWrTf6c
Of course he was hence my post.Sick.
Help out where you can.I personally have 15 employees out of work. The remaining including me are taking large paycuts. I've spent the last several hours setting up an emergency pesach relief effort with the help and kindness of an anonymous donor.
Continental hall in Williamsburg.Frieds wedding ?
Dude. Last week there wasn't a single case in Crown Heights. Now it's אין בית אשר אין שם.
is it that bad?
Hope not. Does the fact that many people come and go from overseas have anything to do with it?
Definitely should be done.Why we are working the other way around?
Yes. It is that badThat means the Gaboim of 770 shouldn't be coming to 770. Now they have a justification for being MIA.
This is how they are performing tests in the US.problem is, they need to change between every suspected patient. and thats very very difficult.
Short sleeves and no eye protection. One cough and goodnight.
Lack of PPE is not an excuse at all. Full hazmat suits are readily available and so are goggles and long sleeved shirts.
This is how they are performing tests in the US.Maybe in NYC.
Short sleeves and no eye protection. One cough and goodnight.
Lack of PPE is not an excuse at all. Full hazmat suits are readily available and so are goggles and long sleeved shirts.
This is how they are performing tests in the US.
Short sleeves and no eye protection. One cough and goodnight.
Lack of PPE is not an excuse at all. Full hazmat suits are readily available and so are goggles and long sleeved shirts.
Maybe in NYC.It's prob over in NYC already.
Not like that in CLE.
It's prob over in NYC already.https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=21675
I heard form a Dr just a while ago, he had 70 positives since he started testing Sunday.
And yet, schools ares till open, and weddings were in full swing tonight.
Any updates on Crown Heights?a dr in the frum community?
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=21675Absolutely!
a dr in the frum community?Asisa.
problem is, they need to change between every suspected patient. and thats very very difficult.
It's prob over in NYC already.a dr in the frum community?
I heard form a Dr just a while ago, he had 70 positives since he started testing Sunday.
And yet, schools ares till open, and weddings were in full swing tonight.
Maybe in NYC.
Not like that in CLE.
Asisa.wow
a dr in the frum community?Asisa. And I personally know loads of people confirmed, and then relatives with fever....
I saw WA like NYC as well. I wouldnt be shocked if it was widespread.CLE Clinic drive through testing:
CLE Clinic drive through testing:do they completely change between tests?
do they completely change between tests?
So you go to get tested and if you don't have it you're going to get it anywaystesting only helps to not qaurentine the suspected. those with symptoms should stay home.
Where did you see that they need to change everything? In China they barely ever changed. Spray disinfectant and on to the next one. Replace gloves for extra precaution.I think Dr Fauci mentioned this, the test isn't comforting, and ppl tend to sneeze and cough.
Trump should have and still can send the Army out to organize mass ,safe testing.They have the manpowerrumors, that the Brooklyn Armary being turned into a Hospital.
rumors, that the Brooklyn Armary being turned into a Hospital.Which one? Multiple in Brooklyn.
Which one? Multiple in Brooklyn.I can't confirm on an unconfrimed rumor.
CLE Clinic drive through testing:That makes me want to cry
If the stock market continues to plunge, Trump will be forced to take real action or be a one term president.He has failed miserably to do anything timely hereReal action, as in?
If the stock market continues to plunge, Trump will be forced to take real action or be a one term president.He has failed miserably to do anything timely hereHe should suspend trading in the markets by Wednesday
I've read this is utter fake newsBit more complicated than that, watch this for a really good breakdown of what the debate is about
"techs big five lost over $320 billion of value in Mondays market crash; Apple plunged 7.9%"
Still the elephant in the room. There are hundreds of families that I know and probably millions that won't have money to buy food within a few days.Any one who knows families in our community going through hardships holy schnitzel will be making Shabbat meals for this week free of charge please call 646-208-5450
Any solutions?
I'm working with our federation but that's still at least a week out and probably longer.
Any one who knows families in our community going through hardships holy schnitzel will be making Shabbat meals for this week free of charge please call 646-208-5450.
You can repost in other groups to get the word out
Is it true Lakewood schools are all open???
This is panic selling and a great opportunity for people to get back into the market. Apple would have fell (not that much) regardless due tot he judgement against them. Closing the market will only restrict peoples access to cash and is a terrible idea.I respectfully ask you stop posting this garbage. You are 100% delusional with all your post. Do you have any idea how the market works? Do you have an idea what earning reports will look like? PLEASE STOP!!!
I respectfully ask you stop posting this garbage. You are 100% delusional with all your post. Do you have any idea how the market works? Do you have an idea what earning reports will look like? PLEASE STOP!!!
I respectfully ask you stop posting this garbage. You are 100% delusional with all your post. Do you have any idea how the market works? Do you have an idea what earning reports will look like? PLEASE STOP!!!
You really think anyone is taking cues and markets will close due to a DDMS post?Who said that? I said he is delusional and doesn't understand how markets work.
Stop your fear mongering. Stop your lies about China and Hong Kong and other Asian countries that have gone back to 80-90% of normal. All Apple stores are open in China. Shoppers are back to the stores and factories are up and running. The US will get there in about 1-2 months time and things will move on. Yes it will cost the country a lot but we have been through worse.Lies? Where did I say anything about China or Hong Kong?
Lies? Where did I say anything about China or Hong Kong?
All your info comes from one source. See my signature.
Who said that? I said he is delusional and doesn't understand how markets work.Would that be the first delusional or clueless post on DDF? Since when do we ask people to stop posting their respectful opinions on DDF?
I am quoting APPLE themselves Starbucks Disney who have said they reopened every thing. Are you denying that things have gotten better there?Better where? You think I give a rats *ss about China?
Would that be the first delusional or clueless post on DDF? Since when do we ask people to stop posting their respectful opinions on DDF?You need to at least try different approaches with delusional individuals. :P
Better where? You think I give a rats *ss about China?
Considering China and South Korea are the first to have gotten infected and the fact that they are now coming out from the worst after 2 months shows us that the end is not near and that shutting the stock market is a brainless move.Who said shut down the stock market? ::)
Some Ask a Taboo Question: Is America Overreacting to Coronavirus?
With social distancing now widely adopted nationwide, a small group of contrarians urge a more careful weighing of the harm as well as the benefits of such policies.
As an America desperate to stem the coronavirus outbreak put in place sweeping restrictions last week on every facet of public life, the University of Wyoming economist Linda Thunstrom asked what felt like a taboo question: Are we overreacting?
It helped that Dr. Thunstrom was in her kitchen, drinking coffee with her husband, Jason Shogren, a fellow economist who studies how much Americans are willing to pay to reduce risk of threats like terrorism, food-borne illness and climate change.
Calculating the economic costs of curtailing social interaction compared with the lives saved, he agreed, might yield a useful metric for policymakers. The U.S. government routinely performs such analyses when assessing new regulations, with the statistical value of life currently pegged by one government agency at about $9 million.
Still, Dr. Thunstrum asked, Do we even want to look at that? Is it too callous?
No one wants to be seen as prioritizing profit or, say, youth soccer over saving lives. But in recent days, a group of contrarian political leaders, ethicists and ordinary Americans have bridled at what they saw as a tendency to dismiss the complex trade-offs that the measures collectively known as social distancing entail.
Besides the financial ramifications of such policies, their concerns touch on how societys most marginalized groups may fare and on the effect of government-enforced curfews on democratic ideals. Their questions about the current approach are distinct from those raised by some conservative activists who have suggested the virus is a politically inspired hoax, or no worse than the flu,
Even in the face of a mounting coronavirus death toll, and the widespread adoption of the social distancing approach, these critics say it is important to acknowledge all the consequences of decisions intended to mitigate the viruss spread.
Some college students who were abruptly ushered off campus last week complain that they are more likely to infect higher-risk older adults at home than they were at college. Among the throngs who have been ordered to self-quarantine, some people question the purpose of isolating themselves if the virus is already circulating widely in their communities. Certain parents balk at the pressure from friends to withdraw their children from schools that are still open, or at what they see as group-think that has prompted the cancellation of events that are still weeks or months away.
And how do you weigh the risk of an unknown number of deaths against the possibility that several hundred thousand students who depend on free lunch at school will go hungry? Or against other lives that may be lost in an economic contraction born of social isolation?
We have to give due seriousness to this disease breaking out across the globe, said Nicholas Evans, a philosophy professor at the University of Massachusetts Lowell who has criticized Harvard University for failing to put a comprehensive plan in place for financially disadvantaged students before announcing a move to online classes. At the same time, we have to think about equity and the way the risks and benefits of measures we take are distributed.
Until he reversed course on Sunday under mounting pressure, Mayor Bill de Blasio of New York City had suggested that there was a lack of evidence that closing the nations largest school district would significantly slow the viruss spread.
What such a closure would do, he said before reversing himself, would be to force parents to stay home, including those who work in the hospitals that are expected to fill with coronavirus patients. While school districts in Los Angeles, Chicago, Washington, D.C., and elsewhere have shuttered, we dont model off anyone else, the mayor said.
Of course, policies are changing by the day. Malcolm Campbell, a Davidson College biology professor, outfitted his undergraduates early last week in rubber gloves to discourage face-touching. Still teaching labs and keeping students safe," he tweeted.
But he was bidding those same students goodbye on Friday when Davidson, a liberal arts college in North Carolina, sent students home for an extended spring break.
To some extent, Dr. Campbell said, he understood the schools choice as rational. About 45 million Americans have been infected by the flu this season, which typically peaks in February, and about 40,000 have died. For the coronavirus, health officials predict between two and six times as many infections, and between four and 40 times as many deaths, in the absence of social distancing or as-yet-nonexistent pharmaceutical interventions.
But Dr. Campbell said he had argued for Davidson to remain open, based on the relatively low risk the virus poses to college-age students, and the virtue of classes like his, which cannot be taught online.
It was hard to escape the conclusion that Davidson, like others, was influenced by social pressure, he said: Its like, if you dont close, then youre a heartless, cruel organization.
Perhaps unsurprisingly, given the recent plunge in value to their stock portfolios, some Silicon Valley figures have taken to social media to underscore the economic impact of social distancing.
The fear is far worse than the virus, tweeted Tim Draper, a venture capitalist, using the hashtags #corona #dustbowl, #food, #clothing and #shelter. The governments have it wrong. Stay open for business.
But Americas hashtag has become something akin to #hunkerdownathome, with a series of closings, suspensions, postponements by businesses and cultural institutions.
Disneyland closed. The Metropolitan Opera closed. Shuttered as well are research universities and day care centers, Broadway theaters, Apple stores, local libraries, ski resorts, March Madness and professional basketball, hockey, and baseball.
On Saturday, the mayor of Hoboken, N.J., banned restaurants and bars from providing food, and established a curfew requiring people to be in their homes between 10 p.m. and 5 a.m. The next day the governor of Puerto Rico went even further, ordering nearly all businesses to close and imposing a 9 p.m. curfew.
Organizers of professional conferences, political fund-raisers, book talks and shivas have sometimes been chastised in recent days for daring to even consider not canceling their events.
The scientists organizing a Genetics Society of America meeting scheduled for April 22 near Washington, D.C., tried to put off a decision on canceling the gathering until later this month. But the conference joined the list of shuttered professional meetings late last week after some members complained that the delay was creating bad optics for the group.
People had this feeling, like, Just do something, said Denise Montell, a geneticist at the University of California, Santa Barbara, and the societys president, because somebody needs to do something about this virus.
Of course, there is plenty of scientific backing for the benefits of social distancing in delaying transmission of the virus.
Chinas quarantine measures, a recent paper concludes, helped it cut infections to a fewer than two dozen a day from over 3,500 a day in late January. Restrictions on gatherings in western Washington State have been guided by a model suggesting that such measures could save 400 lives in the region by April 7.
Images that illustrate how slowing the transmission rate could avert a surge in cases that would overwhelm the health system as they did in Italy have circulated widely for several weeks under variations of the hashtag #FlattenTheCurve.
Cancel everything," concluded one political scientist, writing in The Atlantic. Now.
Amid the concerns out there that society may be overreacting are a chorus of calls for even bolder action.
Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told NBCs Meet the Press Sunday that he favors a 14-day national shutdown to slow down coronavirus. I think we should really be overly aggressive and get criticized for overreacting, Dr. Fauci said.
But even the many experts who agree on social distancing as an effective remedy worry about some of the fallout. There are civil liberties concerns surrounding quarantines. There is economic hardship for hourly wage workers. Few have thought through how sick people staying in their homes would be cared for.
We need to give the response to the virus our full attention, said Jennifer Nuzzo, an associate professor at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. But were following every rabbit that pops out of its hole, as opposed to trying to prioritize responses that have the most impact.
It may prove impossible to know whether the policies the country adopts were just enough, or more than necessary, to quell the spread of the virus.
That thought has occurred frequently to Rick Wright, an insurance broker in Redwood City who tested positive for the virus after being evacuated from the Diamond Princess cruise ship to a military base in California last month.
He has never felt sick. But because his nose and throat swabs have continued to show evidence of the virus, he has remained in self-quarantine, alone at home, for 19 days after an eight-day stint alone in a San Francisco hospital. He and his wife, who has moved out and is staying with her sister, wave to each other through the window when she drops off food.
Is it overkill? he frequently asks himself.
He is not certain. But if he werent quarantined, he acknowledged that he might drop in on his elderly parents, who are at higher risk of suffering the effects of the coronavirus.
We could look back at this time in four months and say, We did the right thing or we could say That was silly, he said in an interview.
Then he added one more likely scenario: Or we might never know.
Who said shut down the stock market? ::)It is not a panic move, but there is definitely panic involved. How many of the sellers are sitting on 1000 rolls of toilet paper? If they are panicking for other things they are panicking regarding stocks too. Does that mean it will go back to previous highs overnight? Of course not. There are definitely fundamental issues that were instigated by the virus. That does not mean that every point the market drops is from cold calculations. The biggest opportunities have historically come from markets going too far over real concerns.
I said you don't understand the market if you think this drop is a panic move. Just as your fearless leader thought the Fed cut that he praised was going to help the market. The rate cut was a panic move and now they have nothing left.
It is not a panic move, but there is definitely panic involved. How many of the sellers are sitting on 1000 rolls of toilet paper? If they are panicking for other things they are panicking regarding stocks too. Does that mean it will go back to previous highs overnight? Of course not. There are definitely fundamental issues that were instigated by the virus. That does not mean that every point the market drops is from cold calculations. The biggest opportunities have historically come from markets going too far over real concerns.I am trying to remember a worse economic time in recent history. Does one come to mind for you?
The Fed cut was definitely a panic move and was viewed by the markets as such. That is part of why the markets shot down from it. Does that mean it wasn't panic or does that mean that the Fed panicking caused everyone else to panic as well? It is too early to tell.
I am trying to remember a worse economic time in recent history. Does one come to mind for you?The big question is what will happen the day after. Will all the pent up activity burst out or will there be severe lingering effects and what will they be? There are extreme risks, but they are far from certain. One thing which can prolong any recovery is any sort of handcuffs placed on the economy by socialists.
I am actually surprised the market isn't down even more.
The big question is what will happen the day after. Will all the pent up activity burst out or will there be severe lingering effects and what will they be? There are extreme risks, but they are far from certain.What is this pent up stuff? I heard a certain person keep on saying that. Personal spending drives the economy. I don't care how much pent up BS is there you still need money in the pockets of the average Americans to drive the economy.
https://newcriterion.com/blogs/dispatch/compared-to-what@yuneeq curious to hear your response to these articles. We can't ignore the fact that millions of people who live paycheck to paycheck aren't going to get their next paycheck. I don't know what the right answer is
What is this pent up stuff? I heard a certain person keep on saying that. Personal spending drives the economy. I don't care how much pent up BS is there you still need money in the pockets of the average Americans to drive the economy.Are you interested in having conversations or just in name calling at anything that doesn't fit in with what you feel?
Are you interested in having conversations or just in name calling at anything that doesn't fit in with what you feel?Just ignore what you don't like.
@yuneeq curious to hear your response to these articles. We can't ignore the fact that millions of people who live paycheck to paycheck aren't going to get their next paycheck. I don't know what the right answer is
One thing I will suggest, the answer to all the people out of jobs is not to simply hand out money. It will cost a ton of money just to give out the money, and it's extremely inefficient at what it's meant to do. Have cities and communities work together to give out free food and look after the elderly. Perhaps suspend mortgage foreclosures temporarily and give banks the support to do so. Find ways to mitigate the short term problems without just throwing money at the issue.I think you would agree that this is going to be political. How can you vote against a giveaway? Not taking sides, just pointing out reality.
Just ignore what you don't like.
The economy is driven by consumer spending. There is no "pent up" savings going on. Where is that spending going to come from?
Just out of curiosity where did you here the phrase "pent up"? :)
There is just no need to be so angry at everyone.I am not angry. If anything my post are tame compared to normal. Have I used any of my hotkey responses? :)
There is lots of economic activity on hold now. Many businesses and corporations can and definitely some are postponing projects. There are postponed vacations, private purchases. There are many things that can bounce back very quickly after this passes. How much will it be? I have no idea.
Just to repeat, a bounce up does not mean that it will go back to recent highs in the near future.
I didn't hear the phrase anywhere. Why? Who had used it?
I think you would agree that this is going to be political. How can you vote against a giveaway? Not taking sides, just pointing out reality.
I think certain things are above politics. In my lifetime Ive only seen it once before, after 9/11. The way I see America unified about social distancing, I believe we can be unified for more than that. We will pay employees that are stuck home. Landlords wont be throwing tenants out, both residential and commercial. Communities will come together to take care of the poor and elderly. It wont be perfect, but we will all get through it together if we have the proper attitude.I will hope for the best.
I think certain things are above politics. In my lifetime Ive only seen it once before, after 9/11. The way I see America unified about social distancing, I believe we can be unified for more than that. We will pay employees that are stuck home. Landlords wont be throwing tenants out, both residential and commercial. Communities will come together to take care of the poor and elderly. It wont be perfect, but we will all get through it together if we have the proper attitude.
I will hope for the best.And there was a common enemy
The thing about 911 is it hit us all at once and this is drip drip drip.
I am not angry. If anything my post are tame compared to normal. Have I used any of my hotkey responses? :)I fully understand what you are saying about the average American.
I agree with what you are saying but where is the average American going to get the money. They are going to be hit the hardest, not people like you and me.
The "pent up" phrase is being repeated over an over againg by someone I won't name but you will get on the first guess.
We will pay employees that are stuck home.Not sure how long B&M stores can do this for if we get to full lockdown mode.
Maybe worth considering chloroquine for C19 https://t.co/LEYob7Jofr
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) March 16, 2020
Looks like many mainstream frum doctors (Shanik...) are going with the UK method.UK method appears to be failing as teachers get sick and can't go to school.
UK method appears to be failing as teachers get sick and can't go to school.Depends what you call failing.
.I didnt wait to find out which one. One of the menahelim places his talis bag right next to me every morning. He davens at the second minyan and I daven at the first. I davened at home this morning...
Depends what you call failing.The elder there are screwed on a regular day.
if their overall death rate is less, we can call it a success.
The elder there are screwed on a regular day.Please stick to the facts
Please stick to the factsThis comes from people living there.
This comes from people living there.I used to live there.
The elder there are screwed on a regular day.
Lakewoods first confirmed. Kimball never bothered notifying anyone? TypicalAnd of course no name. And no Lakewood place administers the test unless you had contact with a confirmed case. So no one who has the symptoms can get tested because they don't know that they where in contact with this unknown person. And then they give it to the next, who gives to the next...
https://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2020/03/breaking-monmouth-medical-center-southern-campus-says-discharged-patient-tested-positive-for-coronavirus.html
And of course no name. And no Lakewood place administers the test unless you had contact with a confirmed case. So no one who has the symptoms can get tested because they don't know that they where in contact with this unknown person. And then they give it to the next, who gives to the next...It would be a HIPPA violation for the hospital to release a name.
And this is why we probably have thousands of unconfirmed cases in lakewood.
It would be a HIPPA violation for the hospital to release a name.Well someone should release it, or someone should change the rules of who gets tested, because this is ridiculous.
Simple question. What is Covid-19 symptoms? When I google it I get dry cough, fever & body aches. But then Ill see ppl saying any cold / cough stay away from ppl. Can I please get some clarification from the Covid-19 experts here?It affects people differently. Some have no symptoms and some have what you posted or in between.
It affects people differently. Some have no symptoms and some have what you posted or in between.Local Dr's still telling patients that if its only a cough, or only fever, they shouldn't worry.
Local Dr's still telling patients that if its only a cough, or only fever, they shouldn't worry.That's misrepresenting it. (I'm assuming you're talking about Crown heights)
Spring break is going to be a disaster. Drunken young grasshoppers who think they are invisible. >:( >:( >:(Not even gonna bother with a FTFY , just gonna say OUCH!!!
Amex offering to defer payments with no interest for two months. Both personal and business. Just by calling.DDMS
YWN downJust needed a good sterilization. Back up now :)
Just needed a good sterilization. Back up now :)
Just needed a good sterilization. Back up now :)Thanks for fixing it :)
Its just the flu everything will be fine.
Its just the flu everything will be fine.Had an entire crew trying to disinfect that site. Its no use
Had an entire crew trying to disinfect that site. Its no useAutoclave. ;)
Update: As per @DiderRaoult - the study shows combination of HCQ * Azithromycin is most effective treatment
— Gregory Rigano (@RiganoESQ) March 17, 2020
1 control group (placebo)
1 HCQ group
1 HCQ * Azithromycin group
follow his youtube for more info, major announcements coming ...
Is this method approved to be used anywhere?
Is this method approved to be used anywhere?Dunno. The first comment is by the posting doctor saying that patients need to be paralyzed. Other comments from people claiming to be MDs bring up other potential issues.
At this point it's easier to say which store/brand/organization did NOT send out a covid19 email.Are there any?
Amex offering to defer payments with no interest for two months. Both personal and business. Just by calling.
Oops. Just made a payment. Will requesting this be a hit to Credit?idk but they do freeze your card if you do it
idk but they do freeze your card if you do itObviously.
I've read this is utter fake news
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/secret-service-warns-americans-of-coronavirus-related-scams/This scam is going around in various places.
https://bucks.crimewatchpa.com/perkasieboroughpd/36078/post/potential-corona-virus-testing-scam
Also heard people are saying they need your SS number to test
This is Ellie Bennett. You all know who I am and where I work. I just feel that I have to go on record. It is my medical opinion, and the same of all the infectious disease experts, that these minyamin are going to kill people. I know it is very difficult for you all to understand it because it seems like an innocuous gathering of 15 to 20 people. I will happily take any of you on a 5-minute tour of what is going on in my hospital right now. As of this past Thursday we had seven patients sick enough to be admitted. As of yesterday it was 30 and as of today it's 50. Elderly people from our neighborhood are on ventilators in the ICU because of these minyamin. There's a 6 a.m minyan, followed by 7an followed by 8am followed by 9am minyan. Even if only 25 people come to each , that's a hundred people in the same room in the same morning. Statistically, you guys are going to kill at least one old person every time you guys meet. you all trust me to treat you like family when you come to my office, so I'm speaking to you like family. Stop the minyan. Stop the gatherings. Stay home and pray by yourself. Have in mind the EMTs and paramedics and doctors and nurses working in the hospitals who are working under ridiculous conditions trying to save as many people as we can. I admit, there will not be thousands of deaths in kgh. But are we really willing to accept that 1 out 100 people in our neighborhood will die. I am not.
We trust doctors whether or not to eat on Yom Kippur or when to make a bris.
Why all of a sudden do you think it's appropriate to ignore us?
Have a good night and good luck to us all
Booked to fly CX F JFK-YVR-JFK in 2 weeks.Did you short the market??
Wondering if I should cancel...
Have you changed your travel plans over the Wuhan Coronavirus?
Some strong words from a local doc:Special doctor.wow
His site is: http://kghdoc.com/ but it ironically expired a few days ago and he's probably too busy these days to renew
Spring break is going to be a disaster. Drunken young grasshoppers who think they are invisible. >:( >:( >:(and invincible.
YWN down
Had an entire crew trying to disinfect that site. Its no useAll the things we have come to rely upon have proven to be unreliable after all!
Money over safety!!! >:( >:( >:(i would prob head to the beach if I had the time now. Prob safer there than anywhere else
Florida governor refuses to shut down beaches amid spread of coronavirus.
i would prob head to the beach if I had the time now. Prob safer there than anywhere elseDuring spring break? ::)
https://www.dailywire.com/news/sichel-before-you-have-an-opinion-on-coronavirus-ask-yourself-these-questionsReading quickly, sounds like this guy would choose to have another Italy situation rather then an economic recession. Interesting ethics.
Reading quickly, sounds like this guy would choose to have another Italy situation rather then an economic recession. Interesting ethics.Nope, you completely missed his point.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/sichel-before-you-have-an-opinion-on-coronavirus-ask-yourself-these-questions
Nope, you completely missed his point.So please summarize
So please summarize
SOme of the best news out thereIs this for real? Or someone dreaming? Why am I not seeing it anywhere in the MSM?Update: As per @DiderRaoult - the study shows combination of HCQ * Azithromycin is most effective treatment
— Gregory Rigano (@RiganoESQ) March 17, 2020
1 control group (placebo)
1 HCQ group
1 HCQ * Azithromycin group
follow his youtube for more info, major announcements coming ...
https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTi-g18ftNZUMRAj2SwRPodtscFio7bJ7GdNgbJAGbdfF67WuRJB3ZsidgpidB2eocFHAVjIL-7deJ7/pub
https://www.elsevier.com/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/988648/COVID-19-Drug-Therapy_Mar-2020.pdf
?s=09פרופ' מייקל לויט, חתן פרס נובל לכימיה ומייעץ לרה"מ בנושא קורונה, ל-#קלמןליברמן: "אני לא מאמין למספרים בישראל, הכול פה פוליטי זה לא מתמטיקה. זה לא נכון שמכינים את הציבור לקראת קטסטרופה. יש מדינות שכבר עברו את המחלה והתגברו"@KalmanLiebskind @asaf_lib https://t.co/GbG97aucI5
— כאן חדשות (@kann_news) March 18, 2020
Can someone answer me these basic questions?I don't know the answer to #1, but the answer to #2 is your information is outdated
1. How is it that China is not having any more new cases? I thought when a lot of people have it then it spreads even more, so if 50k people there had it yesterday why isn't it 100k today? It does not seem like they enforced stricter social distancing guidelines this past week and that is what stopped it. So what is it?
2. How is it that in Israel there are literally NO known cases in the Chareidi community while here in Brooklyn there are hundreds? (just spoke with someone there) And no, social distancing in the Chareidi communities there is not at all better there. Its actually worse, while today here in Brooklyn all shulls and Mikvahs are closed in Beth Shemesh, Jerusalem they are all open.
Things do not add up.
I don't know the answer to #1, but the answer to #2 is your information is outdated
Let's there be a million positive cases of healthy people at home, what difference does that make to anyone?I could be wrong but I think I heard they are trying to stop the spread.
I don't know the answer to #1, but the answer to #2 is your information is outdatedMy info is accurate as of an hour ago. I spoke to someone very active in beth shemesh. Main mikvahs are all open and there were still 2 weddings last night where hundreds of people were cramped together.
Can someone answer me these basic questions?Until a few days ago, the Brookllyn Chareidi community had only a few cases. But then a walkin clinic started offering tests. And now there's 100 new cases! Out of 1000 tested.
2. How is it that in Israel there are literally NO known cases in the Chareidi community while here in Brooklyn there are hundreds? (just spoke with someone there) And no, social distancing in the Chareidi communities there is not at all better there. Its actually worse, while today here in Brooklyn all shulls and Mikvahs are closed in Beth Shemesh, Jerusalem they are all open.
Things do not add up.
Until a few days ago, the Brookllyn Chareidi community had only a few cases. But then a walkin clinic started offering tests. And now there's 100 new cases! Out of 1000 tested.
IDK, but is 10% affected but not sick enough for a hospital that bad?
Can someone answer me these basic questions?https://news.yahoo.com/chinas-coronavirus-recovery-fake-whistleblowers-191300391.html?soc_src=community&soc_trk=fb
1. How is it that China is not having any more new cases? I thought when a lot of people have it then it spreads even more, so if 50k people there had it yesterday why isn't it 100k today? It does not seem like they enforced stricter social distancing guidelines this past week and that is what stopped it. So what is it?
Things do not add up.
Until a few days ago, the Brookllyn Chareidi community had only a few cases. But then a walkin clinic started offering tests. And now there's 100 new cases! Out of 1000 tested.
IDK, but is 10% affected but not sick enough for a hospital that bad?
I don't think you understand how this works. Please do some research on Google because I'm too tired to explain this.
this is why it's so important for everybody to stay home
https://projects.propublica.org/graphics/covid-hospitals
https://news.yahoo.com/chinas-coronavirus-recovery-fake-whistleblowers-191300391.html?soc_src=community&soc_trk=fb
https://www.caixinglobal.com/2020-03-04/lights-are-on-but-no-ones-working-how-local-governments-are-faking-coronavirus-recovery-101524058.html
https://www.wsj.com/articles/singapore-taiwan-and-hong-kong-face-second-wave-of-coronavirus-cases-11584445836?mod=searchresults&page=1&pos=1Horrifying! Wave 2 of #COVID19 hit several areas in #Hanyang District #Wuhan #China. Patients from #Fangcang discharged without diagnosis. Hospitals stopped doing blood tests after one patient test positive. This doctor in #Wuhan says #Coronavirus is now a political problem. pic.twitter.com/jNVCkOzI2a
— Jennifer Zeng 曾錚 (@jenniferatntd) March 15, 2020
So now Israel is shutting down borders completely?Israeli citizens can enter
Israeli citizens can enter
@Dan I believe LY will continue to operate at least one flight a day. Of course if you can then be cautious and come home if you have to. But ut seems like LY will continue flying for now.Everything is changing incredibly fast.
@Dan I believe LY will continue to operate at least one flight a day. Of course if you can then be cautious and come home if you have to. But ut seems like LY will continue flying for now.Who can fly? Someone with a dual citizenship, and someone that is willing to quarantine 14 days when arriving back to Israel. Maybe 2 flights/week across all companies it's enough?
Who can fly? Someone with a dual citizenship, and someone that is willing to quarantine 14 days when arriving back to Israel. Maybe 2 flights/week across all companies it's enough?There are plenty of Israelis still knocking on my door every day.
There are plenty of Israelis still knocking on my door every day.Are they also US citizens? The ban on foreigners was just 5 days ago.
What a headline, we gotta behave...I am going to be blunt. This is an anti-Semitics wet dream.
https://nypost.com/2020/03/18/hasidic-community-ignores-social-distancing-orders-amid-coronavirus/
Just received word from an ICU doctor at a small NY hospital: They are officially out of ventilators and are now double venting patients with COVID (using the same ventilator for 2 infected patients). Do everything possible to avoid infection. PLEASE ISOLATE as best you can.
— Peter Attia (@PeterAttiaMD) March 18, 2020
I guess three days was fake news. ;)Just received word from an ICU doctor at a small NY hospital: They are officially out of ventilators and are now double venting patients with COVID (using the same ventilator for 2 infected patients). Do everything possible to avoid infection. PLEASE ISOLATE as best you can.
— Peter Attia (@PeterAttiaMD) March 18, 2020
I guess three days was fake news. ;)
https://vosizneias.com/2020/03/18/attorney-at-center-of-new-rochelle-coronavirus-outbreak-wakes-from-coma/
Don't know what the best thread for this is, but if you're in Crown Heights and you are able to help seniors and people in isolation, please volunteer here:I dont live in CH, but this is so nice. Hope they get volunteers. This is so important for people to be able to carry out isolation.
https://covid19ch.blogspot.com/2020/03/covid-19-update-4.html
Basics like grocery shopping, picking up medications, etc.
Don't know what the best thread for this is, but if you're in Crown Heights and you are able to help seniors and people in isolation, please volunteer here:(https://i.ibb.co/wdfmnNf/58166207-57-E2-4-E00-87-E3-839-A649-AF1-E5.png) (https://ibb.co/wdfmnNf)
https://covid19ch.blogspot.com/2020/03/covid-19-update-4.html
Basics like grocery shopping, picking up medications, etc.
Fox had some guy on that says France has a cure. 40 or 50 test case and was 100% effective.Do you have a link?
I guess three days was fake news. ;)scary.
Do you have a link?Seen it live, sorry.
Do you have a link?
Seen it live, sorry.I followed the twitter account the guy gave. This is the account, and the study he was referring to.
Now after watching Hannity for 5 minutes I threw up. That needs to go!!! >:( >:( >:(
I followed the twitter account the guy gave. This is the account, and the study he was referring to.That was him.
https://twitter.com/RiganoESQ
https://drive.google.com/file/d/186Bel9RqfsmEx55FDum4xY_IlWSHnGbj/view
Anyone else not able to smell or taste anything for the last week?I have a friend that had the same, and heard other reports too.
Do you have a link?I think this
I think thisI already posted the link. It doesn't have the Fox News clip, but it's the guy's twitter account and a link to the study.
Invalid Tweet ID
I followed the twitter account the guy gave. This is the account, and the study he was referring to.
https://twitter.com/RiganoESQ
https://drive.google.com/file/d/186Bel9RqfsmEx55FDum4xY_IlWSHnGbj/view
Fox had some guy on that says France has a cure. 40 or 50 test case and was 100% effective.
SOme of the best news out thereUpdate: As per @DiderRaoult - the study shows combination of HCQ * Azithromycin is most effective treatment
— Gregory Rigano (@RiganoESQ) March 17, 2020
1 control group (placebo)
1 HCQ group
1 HCQ * Azithromycin group
follow his youtube for more info, major announcements coming ...
https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTi-g18ftNZUMRAj2SwRPodtscFio7bJ7GdNgbJAGbdfF67WuRJB3ZsidgpidB2eocFHAVjIL-7deJ7/pub
https://www.elsevier.com/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/988648/COVID-19-Drug-Therapy_Mar-2020.pdf
Anyone else not able to smell or taste anything for the last week? 😱My wife and son.
My wife and son.My siblings also.
My wife and son.
My siblings also.What is all this about?
What is all this about?Covid symptoms
Covid symptomsDidn't know that.
Covid symptoms
Different people have different symptoms. I had low grade fever and diarrhea. No appetite.Do you think you have it? Have you been tested?
What is waiting for #israelis at #TLV#COVID19 pic.twitter.com/cQ2VsCRw3c
— Israel Scholte (@Israshot_) March 19, 2020
SOme of the best news out thereVery tiny study.Update: As per @DiderRaoult - the study shows combination of HCQ * Azithromycin is most effective treatment
— Gregory Rigano (@RiganoESQ) March 17, 2020
1 control group (placebo)
1 HCQ group
1 HCQ * Azithromycin group
follow his youtube for more info, major announcements coming ...
https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTi-g18ftNZUMRAj2SwRPodtscFio7bJ7GdNgbJAGbdfF67WuRJB3ZsidgpidB2eocFHAVjIL-7deJ7/pub
https://www.elsevier.com/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/988648/COVID-19-Drug-Therapy_Mar-2020.pdf
Everyone says this until the virus hits home. People underestimated and continue to underestimate how threatening this virus is. Measures seemed extreme until people I know started coming down with symptoms, some severe. If the economy needs to suffer from it, there is nothing we can do about that.UK already completely walked back their plan
In biblical terms, this is a מגפה. Plain and simple.
Anyone else not able to smell or taste anything for the last week? 😱Confirmed CO-VID19 symptoms
Anyone else not able to smell or taste anything for the last week? 😱
I had a minor event. Hatzolah recommend I go to ER to be tested. All heart and lung tests BH good. They did swab my nose, but now they are telling me that they are testing for Flu not Corona Virus.event? Care to elaborate? Difficulty breathing?
event? Care to elaborate? Difficulty breathing?
Almost passed out.Yikes!!! We need you here man!
I had a minor event. Hatzolah recommend I go to ER to be tested. All heart and lung tests BH good. They did swab my nose, but now they are telling me that they are testing for Flu not Corona Virus.is ER packed?
Very tiny study.It is a start. We unfortunately have no shortage of cases to test on.
I had a minor event. Hatzolah recommend I go to ER to be tested. All heart and lung tests BH good. They did swab my nose, but now they are telling me that they are testing for Flu not Corona Virus.Now this is soooo frustrating!!! Why arent they just testing testing testing???
is ER packed?
Now this is soooo frustrating!!! Why arent they just testing testing testing???
Not at all. It isn't a hospital, just ER (cobble hill) I think the guy next to me is being taken to a hospital now. An ambulance crew just came to take him. Thoug he was walking around.were they at least considering taking a covid test?
What for? Why assume it's anything else?So now every single common cold symptom has to be assumed as covid? If so theres no two sets of rules 1) ppl who tested positive & the rest of us
What for? Why assume it's anything else?So everyone exposed to you follows strict 14 day quarantine...
So everyone exposed to you follows strict 14 day quarantine...Everyone exposed to anyone who has a runny nose or a cough or is extra tired today...
So everyone exposed to you follows strict 14 day quarantine...
No. They said isolation (entire household) for 48 hours after fever stops.Oy.
were they at least considering taking a covid test?
No. They said isolation (entire household) for 48 hours after fever stops.Do you have a source for that? So many different answers going around...
Do you have a source for that? So many different answers going around...
Those were the instructions given to me by the PA at the ER.Thx
If only everyone would adhere to the rules.
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/1840996/chabad-shaliach-reveals-the-secret-only-181-cases-of-the-coronavirus-in-hong-kong-a-city-of-7-4-million-people.html
Pipe dreams
Explain? You doubt the numbers? Or you mean a pipe dream for us?
Glad to hear you are doing better. What was the percentage of ppl in the er that were there for coronavirus symptoms?
I was in a special section specifically for suspected corona virus, so I think everyone there was for that, and while I couldn't really see much of what was going on all over that section, it seemed like there were only about half a dozen people there.Glad your are doing better. How about the rest of the family?
The guy next to me was taken away (though he was able to walk) by an ambulance crew (presumably to be admitted to a hospital).
Glad your are doing better. How about the rest of the family?
https://investors.simon.com/news-releases/news-release-details/simon-property-group-temporarily-closes-all-domestic-propertiesHopefully now everyone will understand how serious this is when they can't get their GC's.
Yes.
I know of at least 5 people with this symptom- some with only this symptom- of which two tested positive. The others werent tested.
https://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2020/03/video-dr-rich-roberts-novel-ideas-on-coronavirus-what-you-arent-being-told.html
Rich Roberts makes the claim that its a Chinese bio weapon.
My SIL ... he thinks he was the first one that had it.Welcome to 2020 :P
Welcome to 2020 :PWhat was a son in law 20 years ago?
Welcome to 2020 :P
Yeah. I was wondering how come my ER bracelet had me as male, I don't recall anyone asking me.ROTFL!
I had a minor event. Hatzolah recommend I go to ER to be tested. All heart and lung tests BH good. They did swab my nose, but now they are telling me that they are testing for Flu not Corona Virus.
No. They said isolation (entire household) for 48 hours after fever stops.So they think you DO have the Coronavirus or that you DON'T?
Very tiny study.
So they think you DO have the Coronavirus or that you DON'T?
What is going on with Russia? Are they exempt from this?
Discharge paper included a letter saying I can return to work April 1st.I'm not sure that answers my question.
Three of my kids have this. None of them had fever. 2 of the 3 had the cough before they lost their sense of smell/taste. The third never had the cough, but was the first to lose taste/smell.
Anyone know how long it takes for the taste/smell to return?
What is going on with Russia? Are they exempt from this?
President Vladimir Putin has ordered an April 22 nationwide vote on constitutional amendments, which would allow him to run again for president. He said the vote will be postponed if the coronavirus pandemic requires it.
What is going on with Russia? Are they exempt from this?Theyre on 60% alcohol therapy...
I've heard of slow improvement after 5 days...
5 days after onset of loss of taste/smell?Yes
So they think you DO have the Coronavirus or that you DON'T?
I'm not sure that answers my question.
They do keep 6 feet in breakrooms but other than that not much. My bet nothing will be done until someone tests positive.https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/03/amazon-warehouse-employee-has-coronavirus/608341/
They can take off anytime they want with no preapproval.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/03/amazon-warehouse-employee-has-coronavirus/608341/Thanks for the prayers.
Prayers that your son stays safe.
How do we know that a million Chinese didn't die from this?we don't.
@CountValentine https://www.foxnews.com/media/ron-desantis-florida-spring-breakers-party-overFINALLY!!! Late better than never but what was the governor thinking last week?
FINALLY!!! Late better than never but what was the governor thinking last week?
ETA: That coward is not closing the beaches. >:( >:( >:(
Poignant words of Gemara (Talmud, Bava Kama, 60b) instructing people to "stay inside" and to "lock your doors" when a plague is rampant in the city. pic.twitter.com/9osOQxY8Jp
— Yitzy Stern (@YitzyStern) March 19, 2020
Has anyone seen Dr Fauci today?https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/03/tony-fauci-at-coronavirus-press-conferences.html
What would you tell your son?As a concerned parent Id probably beg him to not go to work. Id definitely make him wear a proper mask.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/sen-kelly-loeffler-dumped-millions-in-stock-after-coronavirus-briefing?ref=homehttps://www.propublica.org/article/senator-dumped-up-to-1-6-million-of-stock-after-reassuring-public-about-coronavirus-preparedness
Seems that they were warned about what could happen while apparently POTUS was busy calming everybody.
So sad
https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-jersey-family-3-deaths-4-hospitalized-coronavirus
Indeed. Could it be genetic predisposition? Related to ethnicity, making it higher risk?Maybe. They were older too.
Indeed. Could it be genetic predisposition? Related to ethnicity, making it higher risk?
Maybe. They were older too.the ages are in the article
the ages are in the articleYes.
Maybe. They were older too.
Mom was 73, daugher 55, and 2 sons were younger.Didn't see the 2 sons ages. Maybe I ran through too fast. Not olds but not young either.
Really not that old.
Didn't see the 2 sons ages. Maybe I ran through too fast. Not olds but not young either.
Didn't see the 2 sons ages. Maybe I ran through too fast. Not olds but not young either.
Found the younger sons age 53 in a diff article. Which leaves only 54 as the age of the oldest son.Maybe a massive intake of the virus?
Ages 50-59 is currently at 1.3% death rate. To have 3 siblings die in that age range means there's something more to it than just age.
Maybe a massive intake of the virus?
Mom was 73, daugher 55, and the sons were 54 and 53.Many of the family in the picture look to be obese, so it's quite possible there's hypertension and/or diabetes.
Really not that old.
Many of the family in the picture look to be obese, so it's quite possible there's hypertension and/or diabetes.This probably played a big part.
So, based on the way this has been progressing in the US, Italy and other places, how is it possible that China only had 80,000 cases? Especially since we had prior warning while they had much less. (Even it wasn't taken seriously at first by most). Something just doesn't add up. Even welding shut apartment buildings wouldn't be enough to keep their numbers so low. My suspicion is that the reports that crept out of 10's of thousands dead etc, were probably accurate, and Rachmana Litzlan we should be prepared for much worse than we can than we can imagine. (Especially since it is unlikely that we will be taking measures on the level of China)
(https://i.gyazo.com/bfa3dc34bbf8bac5b4a8f45bba2478b2.png)Of course we knew they were lying, but just not by that much. At this point I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they had hundreds of millions of cases....
Of course we knew they were lying, but just not by that much. At this point I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they had hundreds of millions of cases....Perhaps the conspiracy is that the journalists needed to find something to hock about post-impeachment, so they ate some bats...
So, based on the way this has been progressing in the US, Italy and other places, how is it possible that China only had 80,000 cases? Especially since we had prior warning while they had much less. (Even it wasn't taken seriously at first by most). Something just doesn't add up. Even welding shut apartment buildings wouldn't be enough to keep their numbers so low. My suspicion is that the reports that crept out of 10's of thousands dead etc, were probably accurate, and Rachmana Litzlan we should be prepared for much worse than we can than we can imagine. (Especially since it is unlikely that we will be taking measures on the level of China)
So, based on the way this has been progressing in the US, Italy and other places, how is it possible that China only had 80,000 cases? Especially since we had prior warning while they had much less. (Even it wasn't taken seriously at first by most). Something just doesn't add up. Even welding shut apartment buildings wouldn't be enough to keep their numbers so low. My suspicion is that the reports that crept out of 10's of thousands dead etc, were probably accurate, and Rachmana Litzlan we should be prepared for much worse than we can than we can imagine. (Especially since it is unlikely that we will be taking measures on the level of China)
While, like you, I do suspect they are lying, there is also the possibility that they are better off controlling the virus than other countries.
First, they are an absolute dictatorship. If they say there is a lockdown, then there is a lockdown. The people listen or suffer the consequences. They aren't giving out shalach manos while the world burns.
Second, obesity in China is far lower than in other places around the world. In Italy, the deaths are almost exclusively in people with preexisting conditions.
While I don't believe them when they say there are NO cases, there is room to believe that they tamped down the virus.
Not drinking the kool-aid.There is no way they would be able to hide millions of deaths.
I wouldnt b surprised if the numbers are in the millions.
There is no way they would be able to hide millions of deaths.Crematoriums. There are reports about about China burning live people during the virus.
Can an American Transit via a Schengen country to connect to a flight to the UK? I have the same question about transiting via Canada.
Crematoriums. There are reports about about China burning live people during the virus.holy cow!
Crematoriums. There are reports about about China burning live people during the virus.Give me a break
Give me a breakIm assuming that billionaires not around anymore
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/feb/26/facebook-posts/chinese-billionaire-floats-conspiracy-about-corona/
Give me a breaknothing in your link proves otherwise. However horrifying this is, I wouldnt be shocked if it is happening.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/feb/26/facebook-posts/chinese-billionaire-floats-conspiracy-about-corona/
Not drinking the kool-aid.Wrong forum. >:(
Of course we knew they were lying, but just not by that much. At this point I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they had hundreds of millions of cases....We are not in 1960 anymore. They can hide deaths numbers by a certain number, not 99%. 100s million means at least 1m deaths...
https://www.chase.com/digital/resources/coronavirus?jp_cmp=rb/CV/off/stayconnected/na
Anyone try calling Chase to see what they're offering to do?
Called Chase via the Sapphire Reserve line. Was told that Chase could "suppress" payments for anyone impacted but that interest would continue to accumulate. Way to go, Chase.So in the long run you will be paying more. >:(
Screenshot from Cuomo press conference announcing new rules in NY. Punishable and enforceable. Similar to EY.Will weddings continue?
Will weddings continue?
Im assuming people will seek guidance.What part of Cuomo's statement don't they understand?
Will weddings continue?aren't weddings essential?
aren't weddings essential?H*ll no!
What part of Cuomo's statement don't they understand?
H*ll no!by religiuos people, there is a problempushing off a wedding. just saying.
by religiuos people, there is a problempushing off a wedding. just saying.I understand what you are saying. What everyone needs to realize we have separation of church and state. That doesn't mean ANY religion can do what they want based on their religion.
I'm all in to limiting the wedding to 10 ppl, just as other essential stores.
Who is they? Which part of seek guidance dont you understand?They is those who are having weddings. When you say "seek guidance" who are they seeking guidance from?
What kind of thinking is that?The thinking of someone who is understandably anxious. I don't think it was meant as complete yiush c"v but rather an expression of their being nervous. They would be crazy not to be.
Maybe this is a blessing in disguise and he will be saved from cancer without chemo (or with delayed treatment)?
What kind of thinking is that?
They is those who are having weddings. When you say "seek guidance" who are they seeking guidance from?From Rabbinic authorities as to how to perform a religious event while adhering to the law of the land & medical guidelines.
Bitachon.
The thinking of someone who is understandably anxious. I don't think it was meant as complete yiush c"v but rather an expression of their being nervous. They would be crazy not to be.
Concerned, anxious, are understood. But "doomed"? אפילו חרב חדה מונחת על צווארו של אדם אל ימנע עצמו מן הרחמים!Don't be so literal.
Don't be so literal.
Bitachon.
Ok. There are just some words that aren't in my lexicon
Anyone else not able to smell or taste anything for the last week? 😱here's a good update.... I just started being able to smell a bit and was able to taste a bit as well. (feels more like an aftertaste, but it's a step up)
Why are twice as many men dying than women from the virus in Italy?I guess #ManColds really are deadly.
Why are twice as many men dying than women from the virus in Italy?Speculation could be smoking, worse general health/obesity etc.
This may be the first world wide "natural disaster" since the mabulLet's pray it shouldnt be as bad.
This may be the first world wide "natural disaster" since the mabulYou call this natural when China caused it?
You call this natural when China caused it?google my friend
Mabul?
You call this natural when China caused it?I thought you were studying Torah in your absence, I guess not
Mabul?
You call this natural when China caused it?Flood
Mabul?
THE Floodftfy
google my friendI did.
I thought you were studying Torah in your absence, I guess notNot unless it was on the napkin that came with my Mojito's.
All hotels to close and Vacate guests in Miami Beach.Ouch!
Any deaths?First death
All hotels to close and Vacate guests in Miami Beach.Add the City of Miami and Miami-Dade. Only certain guests can stay.
Add the City of Miami and Miami-Dade. Only certain guests can stay.They should get a couple of cruise ships and let them party all they want until this is over. Sending them all back home will just spread it more.
Why is Dr Fauci so bureaucratic about the malaria drug? Why do we have to say that we have no cure now and it will take months until we have a REAL study? People are dying! Why not give them the chance to at least try something which has proven to work (just because it was not a stude where a pharmaceutical or other entity has made millions of dollars does not mean that its not a study)I heard they are only giving it to people who are critically ill. Don't know if source was reliable though.
I personally know someone who was extremely not well, wasn't able to breathe on his own and got better after taking this drug for past few days.
Why is Dr Fauci so bureaucratic about the malaria drug? Why do we have to say that we have no cure now and it will take months until we have a REAL study? People are dying! Why not give them the chance to at least try something which has proven to work (just because it was not a stude where a pharmaceutical or other entity has made millions of dollars does not mean that its not a study)
I personally know someone who was extremely not well, wasn't able to breathe on his own and got better after taking this drug for past few days.
Why is Dr Fauci so bureaucratic about the malaria drug? Why do we have to say that we have no cure now and it will take months until we have a REAL study? People are dying! Why not give them the chance to at least try something which has proven to work (just because it was not a stude where a pharmaceutical or other entity has made millions of dollars does not mean that its not a study)+1000 Can someone please explain why death > taking an experimental drug?
I personally know someone who was extremely not well, wasn't able to breathe on his own and got better after taking this drug for past few days.
+1000 Can someone please explain why death > taking an experimental drug?I'm not a doctor, but I have one conjecture. Yes, it's worth it on all costs to give this to people who would otherwise die. But they may be worried to give it to everyone effected. Lets say, R'L, half of US's 330 million people contract the virus and are given the drug, and we later learn that it causes Alzheimer's or cancer ch'v or something of that nature, it could have a much more tragic effect, whereas otherwise most people would've just gotten better.
I'm not a doctor, but I have one conjecture. Yes, it's worth it on all costs to give this to people who would otherwise die. But they may be worried to give it to everyone effected. Lets say, R'L, half of US's 330 million people contract the virus and are given the drug, and we later learn that it causes Alzheimer's or cancer ch'v or something of that nature, it could have a much more tragic effect, whereas otherwise most people would've just gotten better.of course, people that will eventually get out of it on there own should not be given this drug.
I'm not a doctor, but I have one conjecture. Yes, it's worth it on all costs to give this to people who would otherwise die. But they may be worried to give it to everyone effected. Lets say, R'L, half of US's 330 million people contract the virus and are given the drug, and we later learn that it causes Alzheimer's or cancer ch'v or something of that nature, it could have a much more tragic effect, whereas otherwise most people would've just gotten better.
of course, people that will eventually get out of it on there own should not be given this drug.It's possible that this distinction is not recognizable until it's too late...
Why is Dr Fauci so bureaucratic about the malaria drug?He isn't, he is doctor that believes in science.
He isn't, he is doctor that believes in science.should be given as last resort option.
What if it seems to work and then it is used on a mass scale. Then a year later all these nasty side effects show up?
He isn't, he is doctor that believes in science.
What if it seems to work and then it is used on a mass scale. Then a year later all these nasty side effects show up?
it has been an approved treatment of malaria for years
should be given as last resort option....and IIRC he agrees. The issue is what if it works? Do you then give on a mass scale or do a controlled study first?
I'm not a doctor, but I have one conjecture. Yes, it's worth it on all costs to give this to people who would otherwise die. But they may be worried to give it to everyone effected. Lets say, R'L, half of US's 330 million people contract the virus and are given the drug, and we later learn that it causes Alzheimer's or cancer ch'v or something of that nature, it could have a much more tragic effect, whereas otherwise most people would've just gotten better.
This drug is around for many years... so the side effect stats are already thereAFAIK the dosage is not the same and it will also be tried in conjunction with other drugs.
...and IIRC he agrees. The issue is what if it works? Do you then give on a mass scale or do a controlled study first?shouldn't it be given as an option to the patient, or family?
shouldn't it be given as an option to the patient, or family?Above my pay grade.
Make them sign for it, just like other tests and procedures.
I'm not a doctor, but I have one conjecture. Yes, it's worth it on all costs to give this to people who would otherwise die. But they may be worried to give it to everyone effected. Lets say, R'L, half of US's 330 million people contract the virus and are given the drug, and we later learn that it causes Alzheimer's or cancer ch'v or something of that nature, it could have a much more tragic effect, whereas otherwise most people would've just gotten better.No one worries about that. It's been used for years and known to be safe.
No one worries about that. It's been used for years and known to be safe.Do you understand a drug could be safe to treat one condition does not mean it is safe for another condition?
This drug is around for many years... so the side effect stats are already there
This is the reason it was approved so quickly (with limited use) without any studies for corona patients.Where do you see that it was approved?
Still needs to be determined how people with corona react to it.
URGENT VIDEO: Dr. Zev Zelenko in video to President Trump: FDA-approved drug for coronavirus is working; Initiate treatment in outpatient setting - https://t.co/7p6PN8xg1B
— The Lakewood Scoop (@LakewoodScoop) March 22, 2020
Is Our Fight Against Coronavirus Worse Than the Disease?id love to hear some takes on this
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/20/opinion/coronavirus-pandemic-social-distancing.html#click=https://t.co/BEADbpMLLz
id love to hear some takes on this
Over 80k confirmed cases
https://covid19info.live/
Italy, Iran, South Korea all on their way to be China 2.0.
Interesting to look back at this a month later. Italy (322 cases on 2/25) and Iran turned out to be devastating while South Korea (977 cases) is already in a S curve, showing that they effectively have it contained. The difference an effective response can make.
I created a site for all financial assistance available during this difficult time. This is for both individuals and businesses (geared primarily to NYC/NYS, but has other stuff as well)Thank you, it looks like a great resource
Please share with as many people as possible, so we can help each other out during this crisis!
http://chaiplus1.com/
I created a site for all financial assistance available during this difficult time. This is for both individuals and businesses (geared primarily to NYC/NYS, but has other stuff as well)Thanks!
Please share with as many people as possible, so we can help each other out during this crisis!
http://chaiplus1.com/
Thanks!Thanks! Fixed
Coffee is cute but fix the link. It gives your name away
Where do you see that it was approved?
I am writing this tweet as a plea for help. I am a cardiac electrophysiologisit and I was diagnosed with the covid 19 virus Thursday 9 days ago. treated with Hydroxychloroquine and zinc for 5 days. My respiratory status worsened and ct showed diffuse ground glass opacity.
— jesse yisachar greenberg (@JesseYisachar) March 21, 2020
Im on the front lines in NYC and have been on hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin but am progressing. While there is some hope for these meds we need to make trial drugs or compassionate use more accessible now"
— jesse yisachar greenberg (@JesseYisachar) March 21, 2020
URGENT VIDEO: Dr. Zev Zelenko in video to President Trump: FDA-approved drug for coronavirus is working; Initiate treatment in outpatient setting - https://t.co/7p6PN8xg1B
— The Lakewood Scoop (@LakewoodScoop) March 22, 2020
I am writing this tweet as a plea for help. I am a cardiac electrophysiologisit and I was diagnosed with the covid 19 virus Thursday 9 days ago. treated with Hydroxychloroquine and zinc for 5 days. My respiratory status worsened and ct showed diffuse ground glass opacity.
— jesse yisachar greenberg (@JesseYisachar) March 21, 2020
Korea finished developing the 10 minute Covid-19 diagnostic kit and is now ramping up production. They plan to export 300.000 test-kits per week - pic.twitter.com/DpJCph9RT7
— Florian Witulski (@vaitor) March 21, 2020
What does diffuse ground glass opacity mean?More importantly, is it something which would be a side effect of the drug or simply that it didn't help him?
https://mobile.twitter.com/vaitor/status/1241337295606657033/photo/1
More importantly, is it something which would be a side effect of the drug or simply that it didn't help him?
Korea finished developing the 10 minute Covid-19 diagnostic kit and is now ramping up production. They plan to export 300.000 test-kits per week - pic.twitter.com/DpJCph9RT7
— Florian Witulski (@vaitor) March 21, 2020
Bravo!
— Erik Solheim (@ErikSolheim) March 21, 2020
South Korea 🇰🇷 has set up ‘phone booths’ that can test people for the coronavirus in just 7 minutes. The country has earned praise for its mass testing amid the Covid19 pandemic.
pic.twitter.com/lQ47UPdiaz
Yisachar Chaim ben Esther Malka.I am writing this tweet as a plea for help. I am a cardiac electrophysiologisit and I was diagnosed with the covid 19 virus Thursday 9 days ago. treated with Hydroxychloroquine and zinc for 5 days. My respiratory status worsened and ct showed diffuse ground glass opacity.
— jesse yisachar greenberg (@JesseYisachar) March 21, 2020Im on the front lines in NYC and have been on hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin but am progressing. While there is some hope for these meds we need to make trial drugs or compassionate use more accessible now"
— jesse yisachar greenberg (@JesseYisachar) March 21, 2020
This guy seems to pull numbers out of his hat. In a previous video he extrapolated that as much as 90% of the Orthodox community in Rockland county is infected, or something to that affect.He himself has been doing tele medicine, since he wisely quarantined himself and family in monsey, before the epidemic became so widespread.
He also says hes prescribed this to 100s of patients but he doesnt say anything about their demographics, the extent of their symptoms, how long its been that theyre on the drug, or how they are doing. More data would be really interesting to see.
I have no idea how he extrapolated a 90% rate in kiryas joel, in one of his videos based on 14 tests with 9 positives.
He himself has been doing tele medicine, since he wisely quarantined himself and family in monsey, before the epidemic became so widespread.It could be he knew that those 9 people exposed the whole community.
I have no idea how he extrapolated a 90% rate in kiryas joel, in one of his videos based on 14 tests with 9 positives.
It could be he knew that those 9 people exposed the whole community.Is the Rebbe one of them? He could have easoily exposed the entire community.
And:Bravo!
— Erik Solheim (@ErikSolheim) March 21, 2020
South Korea 🇰🇷 has set up ‘phone booths’ that can test people for the coronavirus in just 7 minutes. The country has earned praise for its mass testing amid the Covid19 pandemic.
pic.twitter.com/lQ47UPdiaz
Is the Rebbe one of them? He could have easoily exposed the entire community.His test came back after that video was released. But some of his close people tested positive earlier.
It could be he knew that those 9 people exposed the whole community.
His test came back after that video was released. But some of his close people tested positive earlier.
What does diffuse ground glass opacity mean?Its a way of describing a certain type of pneumonia.
More importantly, is it something which would be a side effect of the drug or simply that it didn't help him?
More importantly, is it something which would be a side effect of the drug or simply that it didn't help him?No Its just a description of where his pneumonia is.