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Title: Meir Kay should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Shkop on February 21, 2020, 12:06:50 PM
Meir Kay (Kalmanson) a religious internet personality featured in many music videos including ďmach a BarachaĒ and "Ivri Anochi" released a video in which he gifts a gay "couple" a fun night out in a limo, restaurant, and hotel room Ė for Valentineís Day.

We tend to allow our children to watch Jewish videos freely. Unfortunately today more than ever we must ascertain if what they are watching is truly  "Jewish".

Meir should take down the video and issue an apology.



Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: as2 on February 21, 2020, 12:16:10 PM
Not commenting on the content, but what he posts is up to him. If you don't like it, don't watch it and don't let your kids watch it. we live in a time where our freedoms are protected whether right or wrong, whether moral or immoral, and he has every right to do as he pleases. As has been said about the airline industry here many times, "Vote with your wallet". If enough people stop watching his videos he may want to do something to appease those people. Until then, just ignore it.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: AJK on February 21, 2020, 12:18:24 PM
Meir should take down the video and issue an apology.

Yeah, that's never going to happen.

Also, look into the "Streisand effect."
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: stooges44 on February 21, 2020, 12:28:43 PM
Also, look into the "Streisand effect."

Precisely.

I never heard of Meir Kay. Now I did.

I never saw the video. Now I did. And I must say, after the first 45 seconds I barfed in my mouth and quickly closed it.


We tend to allow our children to watch Jewish videos freely. Unfortunately today more than ever we must ascertain if what they are watching is truly  "Jewish".

By "we" I assume you mean Mr. and Mrs. Shkop? Personally, I would never allow my kids to watch "Jewish" videos freely.
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I'm currently crying now for this Meir Kay, I hope can see past the $ and be the person he's supposed to be.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Abebee on February 21, 2020, 12:29:07 PM
Yeah, that's never going to happen.

Also, look into the "Streisand effect."
Views have doubled in the last 20 minutes lol ;D
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Abebee on February 21, 2020, 12:30:54 PM
Precisely.

I never heard of Meir Kay. Now I did.

I never saw the video. Now I did. And I must say, after the first 45 seconds I barfed in my mouth and quickly closed it.


By "we" I assume you mean Mr. and Mrs. Shkop? Personally, I would never allow my kids to watch "Jewish" videos freely.
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I'm currently crying now for this Meir Kay, I hope can see past the $ and be the person he's supposed to be.

Its a lot more then Mr and Mrs Shkop. Meir has made numerous music videos - like mentioned above "Mach a brachcha" for Shmuly Unger
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Yonah on February 21, 2020, 12:34:20 PM
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We tend to allow our children to watch Jewish videos freely. Unfortunately today more than ever we must ascertain if what they are watching is truly  "Jewish".
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How are you letting your children watch "Jewish" videos? Are you letting them go on you tube? Do you really think that they're never going to watch another video on youtube? Or that the next video autoplayed by Youtube's algorithm won't be Jewish?

Meir should take down the video and issue an apology.

I don't know Meir from beyond his videos, but something tells me - aside from his appearances in Benny's video, his content isn't necessarily aimed at the frum world, and for the most part, because he does it with a Yarmulka and a smile - he's creating a kiddush hashem.

Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Shkop on February 21, 2020, 12:35:24 PM
Not commenting on the content, but what he posts is up to him. If you don't like it, don't watch it and don't let your kids watch it. we live in a time where our freedoms are protected whether right or wrong, whether moral or immoral, and he has every right to do as he pleases. As has been said about the airline industry here many times, "Vote with your wallet". If enough people stop watching his videos he may want to do something to appease those people. Until then, just ignore it.
A) from a Torah perspective you are completely wrong. Just because one can legally do as one pleases (e.g. eat non-kosher food) does not mean it is permissible. Same here.
B) As far as legality goes, let's extend your argument. Just like he has a right to publish whatever he wants, so too does anyone else have a right to express their opinion. My opinion is that if Meir cares about being part of the Jewish community, he should take down that garbage and issue an apology.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Shkop on February 21, 2020, 12:38:59 PM
Precisely.
I never heard of Meir Kay. Now I did.
I never saw the video. Now I did. And I must say, after the first 45 seconds I barfed in my mouth and quickly closed it.
By "we" I assume you mean Mr. and Mrs. Shkop? Personally, I would never allow my kids to watch "Jewish" videos freely.
I'm currently crying now for this Meir Kay, I hope can see past the $ and be the person he's supposed to be.
It's nice to know that you are more vigilant about what you allow your kids to watch. But I think it is true that often times frum people are quicker to allow their kids to watch something that is purportedly Jewish without checking it out first than allowing them to watch something that is not.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Dan on February 21, 2020, 12:40:13 PM
Great job giving it exposure. Never would have seen it otherwise.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Shkop on February 21, 2020, 12:40:27 PM

I don't know Meir from beyond his videos, but something tells me - aside from his appearances in Benny's video, his content isn't necessarily aimed at the frum world, and for the most part, because he does it with a Yarmulka and a smile - he's creating a kiddush hashem.
Well this is a fine example of a chillul Hashem
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: stooges44 on February 21, 2020, 12:42:07 PM
Great job giving it exposure. Never would have seen it otherwise.

I know  :-\ I hope it doesn't make its way onto all the chats, no reason to have everyone go into Shabbos with this drek in their eyes.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: as2 on February 21, 2020, 12:42:51 PM

A) from a Torah perspective you are completely wrong. Just because one can legally do as one pleases (e.g. eat non-kosher food) does not mean it is permissible. Same here.
B) As far as legality goes, let's extend your argument. Just like he has a right to publish whatever he wants, so too does anyone else have a right to express their opinion. My opinion is that if Meir cares about being part of the Jewish community, he should take down that garbage and issue an apology.
Wow, my point flew so far over your head, you probably assumed it was a plane.

Do you go to every shul where people drive there on shabbos, and scream at them? Do you publicly denounce them? Part of reality is that people will make choices that don't jive with our personal/religious beliefs, and you can share your feelings, but you can't make them do anything. If you tell me you eat pork, I will tell you I don't like that you do that, and it makes me sad, but that's not something i have the power to change. You are entitled to your opinion, but you telling someone what to do, based on your opinion, or an opinion you believe in, is a different story. Yes, you are allowed to, but it says something about you.

Side note, maybe this is his first step in coming out?
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Abebee on February 21, 2020, 12:42:59 PM
Meir comment on this video.

The Youtube comments - a place where the beauty of humanity and the opposite can be found in just a few short sentences. To give this video a bit more context and the process on how this day came to be is that I had the idea to give a couple, ( in my mind - a man and woman) a day out, an escape from their homeless situation, a day for them to connect, bond over a fun activity and backdrops that they may not have access to in their lives. 

Finding a couple in the short amount of time that I had was a difficult task actually and when I heard that the couple that was interested to join me for the day were gay, I didn't think twice. I didn't think about the comments here on Youtube, the opinions of the community,  or anyone else because I had the opportunity to brighten someone's day, to fulfill the reason why I was inspired to make this idea into a reality, so what if they are two men who have found comfort, peace and love amongst themselves, it was a no brainer.

This video, like my other videos is meant to inspire and to show perhaps and even give a nudge to the watcher to take an action, to bring light and love to the world, in their own way. To go about doing something so extravagant I understand not all have the means and connections to do so, rather, it's the small things in life that truly have the biggest impact.

How wonderful that this video can hold a mirror to the watcher on how they react to seeing something different from their belief system, to experience disappointment in someone and how they share that with the person etc. How righteous they can feel about themselves in one area in their life and forgo some crucial elements of being truly righteous in other aspects of their being.

Is your house in order?

My friends, I started created videos because they are my passion, I love to help people and I love films and I put those two things together and I am blessed and grateful to be able to do so. I'm also grateful for the support and love I've received over the years from this Youtube community and all my other social media platforms and it's great that people love what I do, sometimes they enjoy them more and sometimes less, but I create because I am a creator and this is what I must do.

I shall continue to do so and if this is where we part ways I thank you for your support and love throughout these months and years and if you're still on for the ride I thank you for your continuous love and support it really means a lot to me and I appreciate you - thank you!
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Yonah on February 21, 2020, 12:43:02 PM
A) from a Torah perspective you are completely wrong. Just because one can legally do as one pleases (e.g. eat non-kosher food) does not mean it is permissible. Same here.
B) As far as legality goes, let's extend your argument. Just like he has a right to publish whatever he wants, so too does anyone else have a right to express their opinion. My opinion is that if Meir cares about being part of the Jewish community, he should take down that garbage and issue an apology.

I'm assuming you've seen his other videos, including:




So mixed dancing is okay and "Jewish" but a gay couple is not, got it.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: as2 on February 21, 2020, 12:44:56 PM
Great job giving it exposure. Never would have seen it otherwise.
As @AJK said as well. This is the biggest mistake made. So many people who never heard of him now have. We live in a time where negative attention can help a persons popularity many times more than positive attention. #cashmeoutside
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Shkop on February 21, 2020, 12:48:27 PM
Wow, my point flew so far over your head, you probably assumed it was a plane.

Do you go to every shul where people drive there on shabbos, and scream at them? Do you publicly denounce them? Part of reality is that people will make choices that don't jive with our personal/religious beliefs, and you can share your feelings, but you can't make them do anything. If you tell me you eat pork, I will tell you I don't like that you do that, and it makes me sad, but that's not something i have the power to change. You are entitled to your opinion, but you telling someone what to do, based on your opinion, or an opinion you believe in, is a different story. Yes, you are allowed to, but it says something about you.
Whatever. i think you just don't like someone making an issue about a Jewish thing.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Yonah on February 21, 2020, 12:49:48 PM
Well this is a fine example of a chillul Hashem

I think you and I have very different opinions of what constitutes a chillul hashem. Let me ask you this - what really offends you in this video? That he's helping people celebrate valentines day? That he is giving a shred of humanity to some homeless individuals, or the fact that they are gay?

I'm guessing it's the last one. If not, you wouldn't be complaining right here and now, you would've complained about his superbowl parties. 
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Shkop on February 21, 2020, 12:50:51 PM

Finding a couple in the short amount of time that I had was a difficult task actually and when I heard that the couple that was interested to join me for the day were gay, I didn't think twice. I didn't think about the comments here on Youtube, the opinions of the community,  or anyone else because I had the opportunity to brighten someone's day, to fulfill the reason why I was inspired to make this idea into a reality, so what if they are two men who have found comfort, peace and love amongst themselves, it was a no brainer.
Very very sad
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Mordyk on February 21, 2020, 12:51:37 PM


So mixed dancing is okay and "Jewish" but a gay couple is not, got it.
I'm assuming you don't know the history of why the mabul came? it was not because of mixed dancing that Hashem to decided to start a new page... so don't compare it.

I think you and I have very different opinions of what constitutes a chillul hashem. Let me ask you this - what really offends you in this video? That he's helping people celebrate valentines day? That he is giving a shred of humanity to some homeless individuals, or the fact that they are gay?

I'm guessing it's the last one. If not, you wouldn't be complaining right here and now, you would've complained about his superbowl parties.

again the issue isnt that they are gay. the issue is about the actions they do.  you really don't understand the jewish stand point on homosexuality
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: as2 on February 21, 2020, 12:54:06 PM
Whatever. i think you just don't like someone making an issue about a Jewish thing.
No, I try to act as I would want to be acted to. Many people in this wonderful world feel the same way of things you and I do, that you feel about gays. Imagine they all were as vocal and hating as you. Don't conflate disapproval/not believing with hate. Speak up about how you feel, voice your opinion, but dont force things on others, even if they're wrong, especially when your opinion may be a minority opinion.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Shkop on February 21, 2020, 12:55:08 PM
So mixed dancing is okay and "Jewish" but a gay couple is not, got it.
Perhaps some of his other stuff isn't great either, but not everything is equally problematic. I would argue that this video is the worst of them all.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: ExGingi on February 21, 2020, 01:02:44 PM
Personally, I would never allow my kids to watch "Jewish" videos freely.
This.

1,000,000 times over. Unless something is endorsed by someone I would blindly trust (based on my experience or appreciation of such person), I wouldn't trust anything just because it's branded "Jewish" or produced by someone that shares a few things in common with me within the sect and within the tribe. That goes for anything consumed, be it entertainment, food, etc.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Shkop on February 21, 2020, 01:05:14 PM
No, I try to act as I would want to be acted to. Many people in this wonderful world feel the same way of things you and I do, that you feel about gays. Imagine they all were as vocal and hating as you. Don't conflate disapproval/not believing with hate. Speak up about how you feel, voice your opinion, but dont force things on others, even if they're wrong, especially when your opinion may be a minority opinion.
The Torah's opinion is very clear. Committed Jews shoud hate such behavior. Yes hate. Not mere disapproval of such behavior which is merely a watered down version of Judaism. As far as forcing things on other's goes, I have no idea what you are talking about. Is expressing an opinion forcing something on someone? In the times of the Sanhedrin they sure did force things on people. We need to wait for Moshiach for that again.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: mmgfarb on February 21, 2020, 01:08:42 PM
The Torah's opinion is very clear. Committed Jews shoud hate such behavior. Yes hate.
Source?
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: as2 on February 21, 2020, 01:11:36 PM
The Torah's opinion is very clear. Committed Jews shoud hate such behavior. Yes hate. Not mere disapproval of such behavior which is merely a watered down version of Judaism. As far as forcing things on other's goes, I have no idea what you are talking about. Is expressing an opinion forcing something on someone? In the times of the Sanhedrin they sure did force things on people. We need to wait for Moshiach for that again.
Firstly, the Torah says lots of things, but not all of them can be instated in the times we live in. While your point is correct, how do you know if these individuals engage in prohibited sexual acts? Assuming they do, what's that got to do with Meir Kay? So hate him for the associating with individuals you assume are doing something the torah (supposedly) says you should hate? To your last point, You are telling him what to do based on your opinion. I agree, He should not have made this video, or associated with these individuals as a practicing Jew, But that's up to him, and I can't tell him not to.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Yonah on February 21, 2020, 01:11:41 PM
Perhaps some of his other stuff isn't great either, but not everything is equally problematic. I would argue that this video is the worst of them all.

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We tend to allow our children to watch Jewish videos freely. Unfortunately today more than ever we must ascertain if what they are watching is truly  "Jewish".

Putting aside the content of this particular video, I think that your suggestion and logic is flawed. No one ever gave Meir Key a hashgacha. He never once made a claim that everything he does is approved by the beis din in crown heights or anywhere else. You anger is that you allowed yourself to consider Meir Kay Kosher, and he turned out a "Traif" video, destroying your trust.

Clearly Meir has been putting out content similar (albeit minus the gay couple part) for years. He's also been invited to the Kinus, and to do the Kosher Superbowl halftime show with Nachum Segal. If others think like you, he may not be invited back.

But the moral of this story is - if you're concerned about what your kids are watching, you probably need to do a better job of monitoring them.

Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: yitz1000 on February 21, 2020, 01:12:12 PM
I clicked on the TT DDF notification that I received for this unfortunate video. I will not watch it though as I see nothing to gain. TY for the insight.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Shkop on February 21, 2020, 01:14:05 PM
I think you and I have very different opinions of what constitutes a chillul hashem. Let me ask you this - what really offends you in this video? That he's helping people celebrate valentines day? That he is giving a shred of humanity to some homeless individuals, or the fact that they are gay?

I'm guessing it's the last one. If not, you wouldn't be complaining right here and now, you would've complained about his superbowl parties.
What "offends" me? Well let's see....maybe the fact that such actively is highly problematic as per an open verse in the Torah...does that make any sense?
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Shkop on February 21, 2020, 01:17:07 PM
Source?
For starters, if Hashem calls something an abomination, then we should concur. It's very logical. 
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: as2 on February 21, 2020, 01:26:50 PM
What "offends" me? Well let's see....maybe the fact that such actively is highly problematic as per an open verse in the Torah...does that make any sense?
Again, you're speculating, and evenif true, is only about the individuals in the video, not Meir K. While he shouldn't be advocating for, or showing approval for it, you can hardly say it's straight out against the Torah.


For starters, if Hashem calls something an abomination, then we should concur. It's very logical. 
So you're taking over for Chazal/Gemara/Mishna and all others who contributed to giving us an understanding of the Torah? Again, even if so, None of this refers to someone who associates with the individual, it's solely about the individuals engaging in these acts.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Shkop on February 21, 2020, 01:28:26 PM
Firstly, the Torah says lots of things, but not all of them can be instated in the times we live in.
True. Beth Din can not execute people today. Therefore?
While your point is correct, how do you know if these individuals engage in prohibited sexual acts?
Huh? That's typically what such people do. And even if not, they are very proud of the culture.
Assuming they do, what's that got to do with Meir Kay? So hate him for the associating with individuals you assume are doing something the torah (supposedly) says you should hate?
You just contradicted yourself. Anyway, the point is that he should take the video down and apologize. Oh, and the Torah uses the word "abomination".
To your last point, You are telling him what to do based on your opinion. I agree, He should not have made this video, or associated with these individuals as a practicing Jew, But that's up to him, and I can't tell him not to.
Why can't you tell him not to? Its a free country.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Shkop on February 21, 2020, 01:31:19 PM
Putting aside the content of this particular video, I think that your suggestion and logic is flawed. No one ever gave Meir Key a hashgacha. He never once made a claim that everything he does is approved by the beis din in crown heights or anywhere else. You anger is that you allowed yourself to consider Meir Kay Kosher, and he turned out a "Traif" video, destroying your trust.

Clearly Meir has been putting out content similar (albeit minus the gay couple part) for years. He's also been invited to the Kinus, and to do the Kosher Superbowl halftime show with Nachum Segal. If others think like you, he may not be invited back.
Ok so other people haven't made an issue about it. Maybe they feel that it hasn't reached a level worthy of making an issue about it. Whatever their opinion, I think this video pushed things much further than anything prior.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: as2 on February 21, 2020, 01:38:08 PM

True. Beth Din can not execute people today. Therefore?Huh? That's typically what such people do. And even if not, they are very proud of the culture. You just contradicted yourself. Anyway, the point is that he should take the video down and apologize. Oh, and the Torah uses the word "abomination". Why can't you tell him not to? Its a free country.
You clearly are missing the point here. All good. Whether they engage in these acts or not, (you can assume all you want, but don't know) that's on them, not Meir K. Being proud of the culture is a problem? For a non Jew, it would be hard to say that approving of this is an actual sin, if they aren't engaging.

How exactly did I contradict myself? I was quoting you on the term "hate" I know darn well what the Torah says.

Go ahead, tell him not to.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: aygart on February 21, 2020, 01:38:36 PM
YOU aren't bothered b the whole idea of him celebrating a Catholic holiday?
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Shkop on February 21, 2020, 01:39:29 PM
Again, you're speculating, and evenif true, is only about the individuals in the video, not Meir K.
So you feel the need to underscore that it is the people in the video, not Meir K., that are involved in such behavior. I don't think anyone thought otherwise.
While he shouldn't be advocating for, or showing approval for it, you can hardly say it's straight out against the Torah.
Are you serious? Let's say an Orthodox Jew advocates or shows approval for driving cars on Shabbos. Your argument would be that since he himself does not drive on Shabbos, there is nothing wrong with such behavior. It's unfortunate that such sad and illogical opinions exist out there.
you're taking over for Chazal/Gemara/Mishna and all others who contributed to giving us an understanding of the Torah?
I don't know what you mean about" taking over".
Again, even if so, None of this refers to someone who associates with the individual, it's solely about the individuals engaging in these acts.
See above. You are completely wrong.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: as2 on February 21, 2020, 01:39:56 PM
YOU aren't bothered b the whole idea of him celebrating a Catholic holiday?
Of course not. This guy has proven several times on the forums that his opinions are strong and embedded with very little consistency or basis.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: as2 on February 21, 2020, 01:47:49 PM
Wow. Im going to wrap this up due to your unbelievable inability to ever see the other side of anything. An open mind can help grow your own...


So you feel the need to underscore that it is the people in the video, not Meir K., that are involved in such behavior. I don't think anyone thought otherwise.
You're kidding, right? This whole thread was directed toward him, who al pi halacha probably did nothing wrong, although it was definitely not in the spirit of Judaism. (I'm not a posek, so I may be wrong here, but if you wish to refute, bring a source)

Are you serious? Let's say an Orthodox Jew advocates or shows approval for driving cars on Shabbos. Your argument would be that since he himself does not drive on Shabbos, there is nothing wrong with such behavior. It's unfortunate that such sad and illogical opinions exist out there.
Jeez, you just can't comprehend. I specifically said the it's not "straight out against the Torah" that doesn't mean there's nothing wrong with it. He's in a far better place the the transgressor though.

You are completely wrong.
Source? (still waiting on the previous one by the way)
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Shkop on February 21, 2020, 01:51:54 PM
You clearly are missing the point here. All good. Whether they engage in these acts or not, (you can assume all you want, but don't know)
Again, people who act that way typically engage in such behavior. Even if they don't, they clearly are acting as if they do.
that's on them, not Meir K.
It's on Meir K. for making a video about it. Why is that so difficult to understand?
For a non Jew, it would be hard to say that approving of this is an actual sin, if they aren't engaging. [/size]
Good question. Do non-Jews have Lifnei Iver on the 7 mitzvos. But Meir is the main point here not them.
Go ahead, tell him not to.
That's what I did
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: ReadsTheT&C on February 21, 2020, 01:53:06 PM
Interesting how he's getting blasted in the YouTube comments but overwhelming love on Instagram with the exact same post. His Twitter is moribund so not even worth looking there. He is averaging around 5-10k views for each of his YT videos in the past year which has been trending down for some time and with 256k subs, that's really sort of shocking. Maybe he's just decided to change direction to his IG audience. Follow the $
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: AJK on February 21, 2020, 02:02:22 PM
For starters, if Hashem calls something an abomination, then we should concur. It's very logical.

I don't profess to be an halachic authority, but I'm just not sure that quite cuts the mustard.  So far as I'm aware, HaShem proscribed homosexual relations.  That the Torah may have referred to relations as an abomination does not ipso facto render activities short of that activity an abomination of the same or even similar magnitude, your own feelings of logic notwithstanding.

Either you have a source that two men having feelings for one another or even romantically holding hands is an abomination--or you don't.  I don't know where the science is on this currently, and frankly, it doesn't really much matter, as the fact remains that some people have a preference for the same sex.  G-d recognizes this and says, essentially, "I get it, you have these feelings, it's a struggle--just like many things in life--but relations are still off limits."

It would seem to me that what's really going on here is that you are projecting the anger that would more appropriately be directed inward (for failing to properly supervise your children -- I mean, seriously, brother, who lets their children run amok on YouTube??) and instead projecting it outward (on same random YouTuber who apparently comes down on this issue differently).


Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Shkop on February 21, 2020, 02:02:32 PM
You're kidding, right?
Nope.
This whole thread was directed toward him, who al pi halacha probably did nothing wrong, although it was definitely not in the spirit of Judaism. (I'm not a posek, so I may be wrong here, but if you wish to refute, bring a source) [/size]
I'm not so sure that no halacha was violated, but not being in the spirit of Judiasm is bad enough.
Jeez, you just can't comprehend. I specifically said the it's not "straight out against the Torah" that doesn't mean there's nothing wrong with it.
No need to twist yourself into a pretzel here. The video does fly in the face of what the Torah holds dear.
He's in a far better place the the transgressor though.[/size]
Therefore?
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: aygart on February 21, 2020, 02:12:23 PM
J***, you just can't comprehend.
I would recommend avoiding that terminology.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: aygart on February 21, 2020, 02:13:19 PM
I don't profess to be an halachic authority, but I'm just not sure that quite cuts the mustard.  So far as I'm aware, HaShem proscribed homosexual relations.  That the Torah may have referred to relations as an abomination does not ipso facto render activities short of that activity an abomination of the same or even similar magnitude, your own feelings of logic notwithstanding.

Either you have a source that two men having feelings for one another or even romantically holding hands is an abomination--or you don't.  I don't know where the science is on this currently, and frankly, it doesn't really much matter, as the fact remains that some people have a preference for the same sex.  G-d recognizes this and says, essentially, "I get it, you have these feelings, it's a struggle--just like many things in life--but relations are still off limits."

It would seem to me that what's really going on here is that you are projecting the anger that would more appropriately be directed inward (for failing to properly supervise your children -- I mean, seriously, brother, who lets their children run amok on YouTube??) and instead projecting it outward (on same random YouTuber who apparently comes down on this issue differently).



I would imagine that it would be considered maase eretz mitzrayim similar to noshim misolilos.
Either way, without having seen it but rather based on the description, the video is horrible. Considering that the only one who seems to have the laxity in viewing or allowing to view anything labeled Jewish is @Shkop i don't see how publicizing this garbage to a crowd who probably would never have seen it otherwise and if they would have will not care about @Shkop commenting about it anyhow.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: jj1000 on February 21, 2020, 02:16:07 PM
I would imagine that it would be considered maase eretz mitzrayim similar to noshim misolilos
TIL "Prohibited homosexual activity includes any non-platonic physical contact; even yichud (seclusion) with someone of the same gender is forbidden for homosexually active individuals"

https://www.torahweb.org/torah/special/2010/homosexuality.html

Although I'm not sure how that translates into halacha.

Am I allowed to be alone with someone who's out of the closet or is that yichud?
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: as2 on February 21, 2020, 02:18:17 PM
Nope.I'm not so sure that no halacha was violated, but not being in the spirit of Judiasm is bad enough. No need to twist yourself into a pretzel here. The video does fly in the face of what the Torah holds dear.Therefore?
So associating with someone who isn't in the spirit of the torah is enough to justify speaking loshon hara about them? Noted.


I would recommend avoiding that terminology.
I've spoken my piece on this before.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Shkop on February 21, 2020, 02:19:14 PM
I don't profess to be an halachic authority, but I'm just not sure that quite cuts the mustard.  So far as I'm aware, HaShem proscribed homosexual relations. That the Torah may have referred to relations as an abomination does not ipso facto render activities short of that activity an abomination of the same or even similar magnitude, your own feelings of logic notwithstanding.
You are inferring that the Torah may actually not refer to such relations as an abomination. That is false.
Even if promoting an abominative activity does not rise to the level of actually engaging in such behavior, it still is highly problematic for Jews who actually care about following both the Torah and the spirit of the Torah. Besides, Meir himself wrote that he found such a couple for his video, so not sure why you feel the need to split hairs.
the fact remains that some people have a preference for the same sex.  G-d recognizes this and says, essentially, "I get it, you have these feelings, it's a struggle--just like many things in life--but relations are still off limits."
Good point. One who unfortunately has such a preference leads a difficult life. No doubt that if he controls himself he will merit a lot of Gan Eden. This world is an Olam Hafuch. We think certain people will be highest in Gan Eden, however we will be very much surprised about how it will actually turn out. (And no, I do not mean to insinuate that someone who actually violates Torah will be higher in Gan Eden than someone who does not. I mean that those who struggle to keep the Torah aren't always recognized properly in this world. They may in fact be greater than those who keep the Torah without any particular difficulty.)
It would seem to me that what's really going on here is that you are projecting the anger that would more appropriately be directed inward (for failing to properly supervise your children -- I mean, seriously, brother, who lets their children run amok on YouTube??) and instead projecting it outward (on same random YouTuber who apparently comes down on this issue differently).
Interesting but incorrect
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Shkop on February 21, 2020, 02:22:45 PM
I would imagine that it would be considered maase eretz mitzrayim similar to noshim misolilos.
Either way, without having seen it but rather based on the description, the video is horrible. Considering that the only one who seems to have the laxity in viewing or allowing to view anything labeled Jewish is @Shkop i don't see how publicizing this garbage to a crowd who probably would never have seen it otherwise and if they would have will not care about @Shkop commenting about it anyhow.
That's funny cuz all sorts of videos are being posted on the DD Forums all the time....
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Dan on February 21, 2020, 02:23:46 PM
Closing in on 500 views on this thread in just 2 hours. Hundreds of video views from people like myself that would have never been exposed to it otherwise.

Meir should send you a thank you rose for the publicity!
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Yehudaa on February 21, 2020, 02:26:54 PM
Closing in on 500 views on this thread in just 2 hours. Hundreds of video views from people that would have never been exposed to it otherwise.

Meir should send you some money for the publicity!
FTFY
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: as2 on February 21, 2020, 02:28:21 PM
FTFY
Not as romantic as a rose
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: aygart on February 21, 2020, 02:32:16 PM
TIL "Prohibited homosexual activity includes any non-platonic physical contact; even yichud (seclusion) with someone of the same gender is forbidden for homosexually active individuals"

https://www.torahweb.org/torah/special/2010/homosexuality.html

Although I'm not sure how that translates into halacha.

Am I allowed to be alone with someone who's out of the closet or is that yichud?
This is not a sugyo which I have gone through well, but it seems to be assur.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Shkop on February 21, 2020, 02:32:59 PM
Closing in on 500 views on this thread in just 2 hours. Hundreds of video views from people like myself that would have never been exposed to it otherwise.
Meir should send you a thank you rose for the publicity!
That's an argument that can be made in many cases where there is a good reason to speak up about something.
If he wants to take it down, he can. That would end the issue of getting more views.
He can also not care. Of-course he will have to give a din vcheshbon about it in front of the Bes Din Shel Maalah
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: aygart on February 21, 2020, 02:35:23 PM
So associating with someone who isn't in the spirit of the torah is enough to justify speaking loshon hara about them? Noted.

I've spoken my piece on this before.
This video is more than simple association

I don't remember the discussion, if I had seen it at all, but it is, at the very least, distasteful.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: aygart on February 21, 2020, 02:36:31 PM
That's an argument that can be made in many cases where there is a good reason to speak up about something.
That is true. What do you feel the guidelines of how to way benefit vs. detriment should be?
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Dan on February 21, 2020, 02:37:20 PM
That's an argument that can be made in many cases where there is a good reason to speak up about something.
If he wants to take it down, he can. That would end the issue of getting more views.
He can also not care. Of-course he will have to give a din vcheshbon about it in front of the Bes Din Shel Maalah
Did you try messaging him directly?
What is the purpose of this thread if he won't care?
Other than exposing more people to the video and the L"H?
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: aygart on February 21, 2020, 02:38:18 PM
That's funny cuz all sorts of videos are being posted on the DD Forums all the time....
There is a reason that I included the end of the sentence. Someone who will use whether or not a video was posted on DDF as a guidline for anything has much more serious issues.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: aygart on February 21, 2020, 02:38:56 PM
What is the purpose of this thread if he won't care?

To make @Shkop feel good?
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Shkop on February 21, 2020, 02:39:56 PM
That is true. What do you feel the guidelines of how to way benefit vs. detriment should be?
I don't know what the guidelines should be or if it is possible to articulate specific guidelines.
I would venture to say that it is something best played by ear.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Shkop on February 21, 2020, 02:45:04 PM
Did you try messaging him directly?
Good point. Perhaps I should have messaged him directly first, although I highly doubt he would take it down. He wrote glowingly about how this video was the right thing to do.
What is the purpose of this thread if he won't care? Other than exposing more people to the video and the L"H?
Maybe he will care if many people are talking about it. Also, even if he doesn't care, at least we should care.



Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: S209 on February 21, 2020, 02:51:12 PM
Iíve been trying to stay away from such threads but I must say Iím surprised that more people are attacking @Shkopís opinion than agreeing with him.. his point actually seem to be correct and on target here. Iíll admit, after seeing this thread, I started the video, and shut it off after a few gross seconds. Horrible, and I think he should be ashamed.

I get it, some of you have other reasons for disagreeing with @Shkop specifically, and Iím not talking about that right now. But I think his point here is a good one.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: aygart on February 21, 2020, 02:54:41 PM
I don't know what the guidelines should be or if it is possible to articulate specific guidelines.
I would venture to say that it is something best played by ear.

Based on the feeling of each individual each time? What made you feel that in this case it is better to publicize it?
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Jellybelly on February 21, 2020, 02:56:20 PM
I think people here donít understand what a chillul Hashem is. If people would know the definition, I think more people would agree with @Shkop
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: aygart on February 21, 2020, 02:56:24 PM
Good point. Perhaps I should have messaged him directly first, although I highly doubt he would take it down. He wrote glowingly about how this video was the right thing to do. Maybe he will care if many people are talking about it. Also, even if he doesn't care, at least we should care.
Now that I know about it I care. I would much rather not have known. I care that you let me know about it.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Yehudaa on February 21, 2020, 02:59:54 PM
Also, even if he doesn't care, at least we should care.
We should care. But that doesn't necessitate this thread.

As a choshuv man I knew said about yelling shaaaaabos at cars in yerushalayim: "For sure you should be screaming, but nobody has to hear you."
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: S209 on February 21, 2020, 03:00:02 PM
Now that I know about it I care. I would much rather not have known. I care that you let me know about it.
This is a good point, though
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: as2 on February 21, 2020, 03:00:09 PM
Iíve been trying to stay away from such threads but I must say Iím surprised that more people are attacking @Shkopís opinion than agreeing with him.. his point actually seem to be correct and on target here. Iíll admit, after seeing this thread, I started the video, and shut it off after a few gross seconds. Horrible, and I think he should be ashamed.

I get it, some of you have other reasons for disagreeing with @Shkop specifically, and Iím not talking about that right now. But I think his point here is a good one.
It's a controversial point, and his track record isn't all that great...My point was regarding his point, not the video in question.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: as2 on February 21, 2020, 03:01:28 PM
We should care. But that doesn't necessitate this thread.

As a choshuv man I knew said about yelling shaaaaabos at cars in yerushalayim: "For sure you should be screaming, but nobody has to hear you."
Exactly. I probably did a horrible job in making this point, but this is essentially what I wanted to say.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: S209 on February 21, 2020, 03:04:08 PM
It's a controversial point, and his track record isn't all that great...My point was regarding his point, not the video in question.
I hear you about the track record.

There is another YouTube video channel which is ostensibly ďKosherĒ that recently did a similar thing, equally horrible. I wonít name it so as not to publicize it, but it is something that is unfortunately making inroads and gaining traction in our community and I do think we should call it out when we see it and send a message somehow that for us itís NOT acceptable.

Iím done on this thread for now blĒn.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: MosheD on February 21, 2020, 04:37:43 PM
You can agree or disagree with the video but the creator does not owe anyone an apology.

If you dont like it, hit the thumbs down, unsub, and leave an angry comment like a normal internet troll

Or better yet, don't watch
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: zale on February 21, 2020, 04:47:25 PM
The way some people have become so cold and indifferent to Judaism is scary.

Face it. Every one of you would have been screaming from the rooftop had this video been released twenty years ago. The straw man arguments here about "oh, THAT didn't bother you, but THIS does!" is pathetic.

Let's just run roughshod over the whole Torah in the name of political correctness.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Jellybelly on February 21, 2020, 05:03:41 PM
You can agree or disagree with the video but the creator does not owe anyone an apology.

If you dont like it, hit the thumbs down, unsub, and leave an angry comment like a normal internet troll

Or better yet, don't watch
Would you be saying that if the content attacked you personally?
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Dan on February 21, 2020, 05:13:09 PM
Would you be saying that if the content attacked you personally?
I've always dealt with targeted harassment the same way. By ignoring it and not giving it attention.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Yonah on February 22, 2020, 07:38:03 PM
Ok so other people haven't made an issue about it. Maybe they feel that it hasn't reached a level worthy of making an issue about it. Whatever their opinion, I think this video pushed things much further than anything prior.

Again - time will tell if it makes an impact.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Yonah on February 22, 2020, 07:53:05 PM
TIL "Prohibited homosexual activity includes any non-platonic physical contact; even yichud (seclusion) with someone of the same gender is forbidden for homosexually active individuals"

https://www.torahweb.org/torah/special/2010/homosexuality.html

Although I'm not sure how that translates into halacha.

Am I allowed to be alone with someone who's out of the closet or is that yichud?

What if you were alone with someone who comes out of the closet much later - were you in yichud l'mafreia?
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: ExGingi on February 22, 2020, 08:08:34 PM
Closing in on 500 views on this thread in just 2 hours. Hundreds of video views from people like myself that would have never been exposed to it otherwise.

Meir should send you a thank you rose for the publicity!
I honestly don't understand why anyone who saw this thread would watch the video. The description in the OP is sufficient to understand what's wrong with it. No need to see all the details (which I am unaware of, nor do I care about).

I doubt whether Meir K asks anyone prior to producing whatever he produces. This is an unfortunate symptom that we see much of in this generation, of yidden with good intentions just doing whatever they think is OK, without seeking and accepting authority.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: aygart on February 22, 2020, 08:49:50 PM
I honestly don't understand why anyone who saw this thread would watch the video. The description in the OP is sufficient to understand what's wrong with it. No need to see all the details (which I am unaware of, nor do I care about).

I doubt whether Meir K asks anyone prior to producing whatever he produces. This is an unfortunate symptom that we see much of in this generation, of yidden with good intentions just doing whatever they think is OK, without seeking and accepting authority.
+10000000000000000 on both counts but that is the way people are.

Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Yehuda57 on February 22, 2020, 09:08:33 PM
Haven't watched the video. AMA
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Dan on February 22, 2020, 09:11:38 PM
I honestly don't understand why anyone who saw this thread would watch the video. The description in the OP is sufficient to understand what's wrong with it. No need to see all the details (which I am unaware of, nor do I care about).

I doubt whether Meir K asks anyone prior to producing whatever he produces. This is an unfortunate symptom that we see much of in this generation, of yidden with good intentions just doing whatever they think is OK, without seeking and accepting authority.
You don't understand human nature?  I watched 30 seconds to see what I missed and closed it.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: yuneeq on February 22, 2020, 09:16:58 PM
As someone who has watched a lot of Meir Kay's content over the years, and enjoyed it, I am happy that this video was brought to my attention. I did not watch the video, nor do I plan on watching any of his content anymore.

Regarding the Streisand affect argument - I don't think everyone understands how much "Jewish" content is being produced by Meir. He's very talented and his content is all over the place. People need to know about this video so he won't be hired for Jewish content - as long as he can't promise to adhere to basic Jewish standards.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: zh cohen on February 22, 2020, 09:27:59 PM
I watched 30 seconds to see what I missed and closed it.

I don't think that adds to the YouTube view count.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: aygart on February 22, 2020, 09:37:24 PM
As someone who has watched a lot of Meir Kay's content over the years, and enjoyed it, I am happy that this video was brought to my attention. I did not watch the video, nor do I plan on watching any of his content anymore.

Regarding the Streisand affect argument - I don't think everyone understands how much "Jewish" content is being produced by Meir. He's very talented and his content is all over the place. People need to know about this video so he won't be hired for Jewish content - as long as he can't promise to adhere to basic Jewish standards.
Good point.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Yo ssi on February 22, 2020, 10:29:08 PM
I don't think that adds to the YouTube view count.
I believe it unfortunately does, unless it's a quick in and out, then it wouldn't, like say, a video starting playing itself, or stuff like that, that's what they don't count.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Shkop on February 22, 2020, 10:29:40 PM
By the way, as far as the question raised up-thread whether or not the video actually violates halacha, it should be noted that he bought the homeless homosexual "couple" a hotel room for the night "so you guys could spend some time together".

(Besides, what beats me is that even if he doesn't care, doesn't he realize that his Orthodox audience - which I believe is considerable - would? I don't get it. It's against halacha, gross, and illogical.)
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: JuryDuty on February 22, 2020, 10:54:55 PM
For his own halacha decisions - thats his issue. Not yours.

After you get over that, it's just business decisions after that, and he decided that it was a good one. Again, his decision, not yours.

What's so difficult?

And finally, if i was making a music video, should i not hire him because of this video? Guys, get over it. (And if you don't want to hire him anymore, go ahead.)
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Shkop on February 22, 2020, 10:57:10 PM
For his own halacha decisions - thats his issue. Not yours.

After you get over that, it's just business decisions after that, and he decided that it was a good one. Again, his decision, not yours.

What's so difficult?

And finally, if i was making a music video, should i not hire him because of this video? Guys, get over it. (And if you don't want to hire him anymore, go ahead.)
Just by the way, are you a religious Orthodox Jew?
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: JuryDuty on February 22, 2020, 10:58:01 PM
Just by the way, are you a religious Orthodox Jew?

I'd consider myself that.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Shkop on February 22, 2020, 11:16:10 PM
I'd consider myself that.
Well, part of Orthodox dogma is that all Jews are responsible for one another. If his "halachic decision" has any merit whatsoever I would love to hear it. But considering that it doesn't, his decision was simply to ignore halacha. And, as a Jewish entertainer, he has a responsibility to be sensitive not only to his own faith, but to the adults and children that view his content. 

As to your second point about his business decision being "his decision, not yours" ....well, all I was doing was observing that I can't fathom the logic behind what he did. At no point did I accidentally think that the business decision was mine not his. Scary that I actually am pointing this out. 
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: JuryDuty on February 22, 2020, 11:32:03 PM
Funny to think I would actually accomplish anything by posting here.
Yup, learned my lesson, let everyone else do the fighting.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Galitzyaner on February 22, 2020, 11:54:36 PM
A. Reading this thread was sufficient warning for me to not even open the video (so no, he didn't get my click).

B. Having watched many of his past videos I'm honestly not surprised in the slightest. As others mentioned upthread, he has a long track record. It continues to baffle and upset me that he's promoted, invited, and utilized by frum entities.
That's what it boils down to IMHO.

If he wants to do his thing, well it's a free country. But I'd expect people under the frum umbrella to completely tune him out already. I hope this was the last straw.

Hoping he finds his path (& mate) in life ASAP.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: yitzgar on February 22, 2020, 11:58:39 PM
A. Reading this thread was sufficient warning for me to not even open the video (so no, he didn't get my click).

B. Having watched many of his past videos I'm honestly not surprised in the slightest. As others mentioned upthread, he has a long track record. It continues to baffle and upset me that he's promoted, invited, and utilized by frum entities.
That's what it boils down to IMHO.

If he wants to do his thing, well it's a free country. But I'd expect people under the frum umbrella to completely tune him out already. I hope this was the last straw.

Hoping he finds his path (& mate) in life ASAP.
A. Same here
B. Couldn't have said it better
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: EliJelly on February 23, 2020, 01:15:25 AM
The @Shkop I had in mind, was having a filter blocking You Tube  :)

(M key's videos made their way out of YT too, hopefully it will no longer)
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Definitions on February 23, 2020, 02:54:52 AM
By the way, as far as the question raised up-thread whether or not the video actually violates halacha, it should be noted that he bought the homeless homosexual "couple" a hotel room for the night "so you guys could spend some time together".
That's the part that I don't get. Getting a dinner nu nu it can still be considered an aveirah lishma. But a hotel room? That's crossing a red line in my opinion.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Shmobaum on February 23, 2020, 03:07:55 AM
I didnít watch the video. A git vuch.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Tzvitheboss on February 23, 2020, 03:11:35 AM
Not sure why everyone going so crazy about his video?
First time he did something  of this sort?
And if you dont consider his other videos inappropriate than not sure if this one is neither 😜
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: grodnoking on February 23, 2020, 04:53:16 AM
Not sure why everyone going so crazy about his video?
First time he did something  of this sort?
And if you dont consider his other videos inappropriate than not sure if this one is neither
I unfollowed him a few months ago. Glad I did. Since then YT has been completely blocked anyways by filter, but I saw where his channel was heading.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: ExGingi on February 23, 2020, 09:00:11 AM
You don't understand human nature?  I watched 30 seconds to see what I missed and closed it.

I most definitely understand human nature, and sometimes succumb to it too. However, unless someone knows absolutely nothing about Meir K and his videos, which clearly indicate my second unfortunate point, I would think that most wouldn't be tempted to watch even one second of the video. For crying out loud, to @aygart's point, the mere fact that it's somehow connected to "Valentine's day" is enough to say that neither this nor any of his other videos should be given any airtime.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Dan on February 23, 2020, 09:06:16 AM
I most definitely understand human nature, and sometimes succumb to it too. However, unless someone knows absolutely nothing about Meir K and his videos, which clearly indicate my second unfortunate point, I would think that most wouldn't be tempted to watch even one second of the video. For crying out loud, to @aygart's point, the mere fact that it's somehow connected to "Valentine's day" is enough to say that neither this nor any of his other videos should be given any airtime.
My YT video consumption consists of the DDF video thread.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: NotMeirKey on February 23, 2020, 10:02:15 AM
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Shmobaum on February 23, 2020, 11:12:20 AM
Can you imagine if @CountValentine would still be alive???
This thread would be burning :)
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Shkop on February 23, 2020, 12:01:05 PM
Not Meir Key (thanks for clarifying I suppose) -
Can you explain what your exact point is with that video?
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: NotMeirKey on February 23, 2020, 01:22:04 PM
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Abebee on February 24, 2020, 08:00:56 AM
https://www.instagram.com/tv/B871wkNgDnZ/?igshid=e0ksco1w1qjc
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: stooges44 on February 24, 2020, 09:39:13 AM
https://www.instagram.com/tv/B871wkNgDnZ/?igshid=e0ksco1w1qjc

This makes no sense. This is exactly the problem, and this is today's yetzer hara. The yetzer hara finally figured out how to get people to sin openly and blatantly because it's all "in the name of love". It's black on white assur min hatorah, there is no machlokes about it and the Torah is forever. It didn't change and it wont change.

Why is there even a debate. It's wrong, he knows it and he should stop trying to defend himself. He should take a good deep look inside and ask himself whose side he wants to be on at the end of the day?

(https://i.gyazo.com/f5de3389d35b4f6da0e29804fc7f9afe.png)

https://www.chabad.org/parshah/torahreading.asp?aid=2492743&p=6&jewish=Kedoshim-Torah-Reading.htm
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: NotMeirKey on February 24, 2020, 10:16:18 AM
"Whatever you believe and no matter how you believe, let us not forget what it means to be kind and respectful for each other."
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: aygart on February 24, 2020, 10:43:51 AM
But did he include a few wrds from a pasuk? Wouldn't that make it Jewish? :'(
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: yuneeq on February 24, 2020, 01:09:40 PM
Meir KAY.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Shkop on February 24, 2020, 01:28:32 PM
"Whatever you believe and no matter how you believe, let us not forget what it means to be kind and respectful for each other."
This comment, along with the apology to the ďLGBT communityĒ posted on Instagram are prime examples of liberal Jewish hogwash. I hate to break it to you, but Judaism isnít about your personal feel-good vibes, no matter how lovey-dovey they sound. Itís about submitting to the opinions of the Aibishter, whether you like it or not.

Iím sure that if you are alive when Moshiach comes, you will protest killing out Amalek. You wouldnít want Beth Din to kill sinners.  If you lived in the times of Joshua, you would protest the elimination of the seven nations, despite G-ds repeated warnings to do it.  Itís time to grow up and drop the love-all-of-humanity trash.

Homosexuality is openly proscribed in the Torah in the strongest terms, as well as forbidden to all of humanity, on pain of death. Obviously Beth Din doesn't operate today, but in the times of Moshiach it will. You can dance with Moshiach all you want, and talk about how he will be a light unto the nations, but it wont change the reality that all this liberal garbage will come to a screeching halt. 
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Shkop on February 24, 2020, 01:37:02 PM
"Whatever you believe and no matter how you believe, let us not forget what it means to be kind and respectful for each other."
Since when does "kind and respectful" include an Orthodox Jew purchasing a hotel room for a homosexual couple so they can "spend time together"?

Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: NotMeirKey on February 24, 2020, 01:48:14 PM
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Shkop on February 24, 2020, 01:59:29 PM
Not Meir Key, Meir Key, or whoever you are, those videos are not proof of anything.

At this point, perhaps it would be better to drop the kippa to lessen the chillul Hashem.

It brings to mind the Passuk from Yechezkel about serving idolatry over causing a chillul Hashem:

 כֹּֽה־אָמַ֣ר | אֲדֹנָ֣י יֱהֹוִ֗ה אִ֚ישׁ גִּלּוּלָיו֙ לְכ֣וּ עֲבֹ֔דוּ וְאַחַ֕ר אִם־אֵֽינְכֶ֖ם שֹֽׁמְעִ֣ים אֵלָ֑י וְאֶת־שֵׁ֚ם קָדְשִׁי֙ לֹ֣א תְחַלְּלוּ־ע֔וֹד בְּמַתְּנֽוֹתֵיכֶ֖ם וּבְגִלּֽוּלֵיכֶֽם:
And you, the house of Israel, so said the Lord G-d: Each man, go worship his idols since you do not hearken to Me, and no longer desecrate My holy Name with your gifts and with your idols.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: aygart on February 24, 2020, 02:17:01 PM
Not Meir Key, Meir Key, or whoever you are, those videos are not proof of anything.

You watched them? :o
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Yehuda57 on February 24, 2020, 02:32:28 PM




 אִ֚ישׁ גִּלּוּלָיו֙ לְכ֣וּ עֲבֹ֔דוּ וְאַחַ֕ר אִם־אֵֽינְכֶ֖ם שֹֽׁמְעִ֣ים אֵלָ֑י


You should turn this into a song
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: aygart on February 24, 2020, 02:48:02 PM

You should turn this into a song
With a video produced by MK?
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: grodnoking on February 24, 2020, 02:48:56 PM

You should turn this into a song
On it. Even got a good goyish'a niggun to put it to. Who's gonna record it?
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: aygart on February 24, 2020, 02:50:04 PM
On it. Even got a good goyish'a niggun to put it to. Who's gonna record it?
The guy who sang the song about being friends or something like that?
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Jellybelly on February 24, 2020, 07:02:48 PM
"Whatever you believe and no matter how you believe, let us not forget what it means to be kind and respectful for each other."
@CountValentine is that you??
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Shmobaum on February 24, 2020, 07:13:56 PM
@CountValentine is that you??
Shishhhhh... donít wake him up from hibernation
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: gingyguy on February 24, 2020, 08:30:04 PM
On it. Even got a good goyish'a niggun to put it to. Who's gonna record it?
#yerakrak
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: NotMeirKey on February 26, 2020, 08:25:28 PM
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: whacked1 on February 26, 2020, 08:47:08 PM
This thread with @NotMeirKey's responses, remind me of the mendy pellin video with the breslov m'shulech and the books. No matter what they answered, he whoops out a book with that title.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Yehuda25 on February 26, 2020, 09:37:00 PM
Perhaps some of his other stuff isn't great either, but not everything is equally problematic. I would argue that this video is the worst of them all.
Per jewish standards of course.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Shkop on February 27, 2020, 06:45:48 PM
For the record, as of this writing, the Not Your Typical Valentine's Day Date YouTube video has more dislikes than likes. 120 thumbs up to 122 thumbs down. Also, many comments are about how upset they are. Google says that the average like/dislike Youtube ratio is 90% (9 likes to 1 dislike).

Yet, he asks, "so what if they are two men who have found comfort, peace and love amongst themselves" and "Is your house in order?"
Honestly, those questions are ridiculous as can be. Homosexuality is proscribed by the Torah to all humanity. Besides, how is it halachically OK to present a homosexual ďcoupleĒ with a free hotel night?

He writes "I didn't think about the comments here on Youtube, the opinions of the community, or anyone else because I had the opportunity to brighten someone's day....

Please explain how someone who loves to bring happiness to the world doesn't consider the needs of his very own Orthodox viewership? An apology was issued to the "LGBT community" (as if very many of them even read the comments...) but no apology has yet been offered to the those viewers actually upset about it.

Mind boggling.

Meir, your house is very much not in order.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: NotMeirKey on February 27, 2020, 06:55:59 PM
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Yo ssi on February 27, 2020, 06:57:33 PM
Can I assume that @NotMeirKey is not furthering the goal of this thread?
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Shkop on February 27, 2020, 07:10:07 PM
Can I assume that @NotMeirKey is not furthering the goal of this thread?
NotMeirKey (or likely Meir Key) enjoys popping in random videos as a way of showing how stupid the whole thing is. You don't care about your viewership's feelings? You only issue an apology for the homos who don't even read the comments? Grow up, really. People will actually respect you if you take down the disliked video. It will demonstrate that you are a mature adult.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: NotMeirKey on February 27, 2020, 07:20:24 PM
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Joel2 on February 27, 2020, 07:47:18 PM

Now I'm sure your Mier Key 🤣
Trying to get a little views mister huh
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: JuryDuty on February 27, 2020, 07:49:40 PM
NotMeirKey (or likely Meir Key) enjoys popping in random videos as a way of showing how stupid the whole thing is. You don't care about your viewership's feelings? You only issue an apology for the homos who don't even read the comments? Grow up, really. People will actually respect you if you take down the disliked video. It will demonstrate that you are a mature adult.

Talk about growing up. @NotMeirKey is clearly succeeding in what he's trying to do, which is trolling this thread. Your continued posting here will not increase the likelihood that the video will be taken down.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Shkop on February 27, 2020, 08:04:41 PM
Now I'm sure your Mier Key 🤣
Trying to get a little views mister huh
lol. It actually would be funny if it wasn't so sad
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: yuneeq on February 27, 2020, 08:14:46 PM
I just hope that the video isn't foreshadowing...
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: chevron on February 28, 2020, 01:11:59 AM
I never liked Meir Kay... But meh.. I watched the video.. honestly not the type of thing your kids are going to be watching so what do you care?

Do you want to have real discourse ? Like my childhood friend from chabad family who left all of Judaism because Judaism has no place for gays?

I mean I'm not sure that's why he left, but that's my assumption.

Obviously, trolls on the internet aren't helping anything.

So in closing, Meir k is just a 2 bit celebrity showman, I am not replying on him for the meaning of life.

It's exactly why your 5 year old finds him funny, I'm sure he and uncle moishy can discuss Abraham j heschell "man in search for meaning"  and "the brothers kazmarov"
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Abebee on February 28, 2020, 11:55:23 AM
I never liked Meir Kay... But meh.. I watched the video.. honestly not the type of thing your kids are going to be watching so what do you care?

Do you want to have real discourse ? Like my childhood friend from chabad family who left all of Judaism because Judaism has no place for gays?

I mean I'm not sure that's why he left, but that's my assumption.

Obviously, trolls on the internet aren't helping anything.

So in closing, Meir k is just a 2 bit celebrity showman, I am not replying on him for the meaning of life.

It's exactly why your 5 year old finds him funny, I'm sure he and uncle moishy can discuss Abraham j heschell "man in search for meaning"  and "the brothers kazmarov"

This makes no sense. This is exactly the problem, and this is today's yetzer hara. The yetzer hara finally figured out how to get people to sin openly and blatantly because it's all "in the name of love". It's black on white assur min hatorah, there is no machlokes about it and the Torah is forever. It didn't change and it wont change.

Why is there even a debate. It's wrong, he knows it and he should stop trying to defend himself. He should take a good deep look inside and ask himself whose side he wants to be on at the end of the day?

(https://i.gyazo.com/f5de3389d35b4f6da0e29804fc7f9afe.png)

https://www.chabad.org/parshah/torahreading.asp?aid=2492743&p=6&jewish=Kedoshim-Torah-Reading.htm
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Dan on February 28, 2020, 12:04:25 PM
https://asknoah.org/wp-content/uploads/rebbe-letter-to-man-struggling-with-homosexuality.pdf

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ru5LUp4BjPU

That being said, just change the channel. This isn't how you're going to effect positive change.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Shkop on February 28, 2020, 12:25:12 PM
I never liked Meir Kay... But meh.. I watched the video.. honestly not the type of thing your kids are going to be watching so what do you care?
Do you want to have real discourse ? Like my childhood friend from chabad family who left all of Judaism because Judaism has no place for gays?
I mean I'm not sure that's why he left, but that's my assumption.
Hoping that your friend finds his way back (and I would think that a homosexual Jew is off the derech no matter if he keeps shabbos and wears a yarmulkeh). But that has nothing to do with a Jewish entertainer promoting a homosexual lifestyle. Yes, we should call him out for it and urge him to take it down. He doesn't care? That's his problem, not ours. 
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Dan on February 28, 2020, 12:30:26 PM
Hoping that your friend finds his way back (and I would think that a homosexual Jew is off the derech no matter if he keeps shabbos and wears a yarmulkeh). But that has nothing to do with a Jewish entertainer promoting a homosexual lifestyle. Yes, we should call him out for it and urge him to take it down. He doesn't care? That's his problem, not ours. 

The fact that you posted here before reaching out personally proves that you don't actually have lishma reasons for posting.
/.02
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: mmgfarb on February 28, 2020, 12:33:18 PM
Hoping that your friend finds his way back (and I would think that a homosexual Jew is off the derech no matter if he keeps shabbos and wears a yarmulkeh).
The ignorance and idiocy of this comment just goes to show how much credence people should give your stupid, self-righteous, holier-than-though, religious rantings on this website.


To be clear, I'm not disagreeing with many of the sentiments expressed in this thread, just with the ignorance and callousness of many of the posts here.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Shkop on February 28, 2020, 12:33:40 PM
https://asknoah.org/wp-content/uploads/rebbe-letter-to-man-struggling-with-homosexuality.pdf


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ru5LUp4BjPU
Fascinating points made by the Rebbe. That said, it has nothing to do with this.

The discussion here is not about how someone with homosexual tendencies deals with the problem. The issue is about an entertainer promoting such values by giving presents and a hotel night to a homosexual "couple" for Valentines day because it brightens their day, is great for humanity, etc.

Completely wrong, against halacha, and inconsiderate to the his viewership. Again, nothing to do with that letter.
That being said, just change the channel. This isn't how you're going to effect positive change.
Sounds like a great democratic approach, but Jews that care don't just "change the channel". They make a deal about it. G-d decides results.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Shkop on February 28, 2020, 12:34:44 PM
The fact that you posted here before reaching out personally proves that you don't actually have lishma reasons for posting.
/.02
I wouldn't be so bold to say that I am totally lishma.
As far as if it is right to make a ruckus about it, well...that much I am pretty sure of.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: MosheD on February 28, 2020, 12:35:15 PM
Now I'm sure your Mier Key
Trying to get a little views mister huh
...and I'm sure it's not.
This guy is just your average troll
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: JuryDuty on February 28, 2020, 12:35:53 PM
(and I would think that a homosexual Jew is off the derech no matter if he keeps shabbos and wears a yarmulkeh).

That's quite polarizing. If anyone violates one aveirah, even bemaizid, is otd?
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: JuryDuty on February 28, 2020, 12:37:23 PM
That's quite polarizing. If anyone violates one aveirah, even bemaizid, is otd?

Actually nm, I know what you'll say. It's still polarizing though, although you can argue that Judaism is polarizing
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Shkop on February 28, 2020, 12:39:36 PM
The ignorance and idiocy of this comment just goes to show how much credence people should give your stupid, self-righteous, holier-than-though, religious rantings on this website.

To be clear, I'm not disagreeing with many of the sentiments expressed in this thread, just with the ignorance and callousness of many of the posts here.
Interesting. You agree to the sentiments but hate the attitude of many of the posts here....feel free to specify which ones.

As far as my statement that a Jew who is homosexualy active isn't really on the derech, can you highlight exactly how that is wrong or self-righteous?
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Shkop on February 28, 2020, 12:41:20 PM
That's quite polarizing. If anyone violates one aveirah, even bemaizid, is otd?
I didn't mean someone who succumbs once. I am talking about someone who is homosexualy active
If a man who keeps shabbos intermarries, would you consider him on the derech?
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Shkop on February 28, 2020, 12:42:37 PM
Actually nm, I know what you'll say. It's still polarizing though, although you can argue that Judaism is polarizing
Not a very Jewish thing to say. But I digress.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: stooges44 on February 28, 2020, 12:44:19 PM
Sounds like a great democratic approach, but Jews that care don't just "change the channel". They make a deal about it. G-d decides results.

They make a deal about - just not on DDF  ;)

Take a big ad out in all the papers (if they let you) but the persistent posting here is not doing anyone any good. @Dan is trying to change the channel and you keep putting it back but it's his tv...
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: NotMeirKey on February 28, 2020, 12:47:21 PM
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Shkop on February 28, 2020, 12:49:56 PM
They make a deal about - just not on DDF  ;)

Take a big ad out in all the papers (if they let you) but the persistent posting here is not doing anyone any good. @Dan is trying to change the channel and you keep putting it back but it's his tv...
Lets hope Dan is better than owning a TV...anyway, nothing wrong with making a deal about it on DDF. First off, I am sure he will hear about it pretty fast, second advertising costs plenty
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Shkop on February 28, 2020, 12:50:42 PM

LOL. I was waiting to see how long it would take for the immaturity to strike.
Didn't disappoint.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: mmgfarb on February 28, 2020, 01:08:14 PM
Lets hope Dan is better than owning a TV...anyway, nothing wrong with making a deal about it on DDF. First off, I am sure he will hear about it pretty fast, second advertising costs plenty
Why are you so God-d**m judgemental? This is a recurring theme I've seen with your posts, you seem to think that God has given you a special job to make sure every other Jew lives their lives according to your brand of Judaism and what you think halacha says. It's very clear though that you don't really the depth of knowledge and understanding of halacha that you think you do. Your inability to understand and accept other people's views and opinions is why you'll continue to clash with other people. Your posts lead me to believe that you don't actually want to change anyone's mind about anything, you just want to be right. And that's why you'll continue being wrong. 
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: avromie7 on February 28, 2020, 01:09:46 PM
Lets hope Dan is better than owning a TV...anyway, nothing wrong with making a deal about it on DDF. First off, I am sure he will hear about it pretty fast, second advertising costs plenty
Here you are posting on the internet, but what's treif? TV!
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: NotMeirKey on February 28, 2020, 01:13:43 PM
Isn't it time to put the glass (hate) down?
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: JuryDuty on February 28, 2020, 01:15:10 PM
Committed Jews shoud hate such behavior. Yes hate.

This is one line that upset me. Toeva is an abomination. that does not mean hate. Hate is coming from you. And I hate people that hate on others. Except amalek, of course.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: JuryDuty on February 28, 2020, 01:16:29 PM
This is one line that upset me. Toeva is an abomination. that does not mean hate. Hate is coming from you. And I hate people that hate on others. Except amalek, of course.

Oh, and I hate people like berland also
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Jellybelly on February 28, 2020, 01:18:16 PM
This is one line that upset me. Toeva is an abomination. that does not mean hate. Hate is coming from you. And I hate people that hate on others. Except amalek, of course.
Always keep in mind what Hashem would want you to do, and donít let anyoneís feelings get in the way.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: avromie7 on February 28, 2020, 01:18:39 PM
This is one line that upset me. Toeva is an abomination. that does not mean hate. Hate is coming from you. And I hate people that hate on others. Except amalek, of course.
He didn't say hate them, he said hate the behavior.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: JuryDuty on February 28, 2020, 01:24:56 PM
He didn't say hate them, he said hate the behavior.

Torah didn't say hate
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: EliJelly on February 28, 2020, 01:25:54 PM
He didn't say hate them, he said hate the behavior.

Torah didn't say hate

 "אוהבי ה׳ שנאו רע"

יתמו חטאים, חטאים ולא חוטאים  (although it perfectly makes sense to boycott him and not use him for marketing, if you want the Yiddish market, do not embarrass them)

Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: as2 on February 28, 2020, 01:28:36 PM
Always keep in mind what Hashem would want you to do, and donít let anyoneís feelings get in the way.
Of course. Bein adam l'chaveiro is straight trash. Hashem wants me to give tzedaka, so I stole it from someone and gave it to the poor. Remeber, others feelings factor in to what Hashem wants, and like my tzedaka case, sometimes what Hashem commands can imply that you violate a different commandment, so you need to know what to do in those situations.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: JuryDuty on February 28, 2020, 01:45:00 PM
"אוהבי ה׳ שנאו רע"

So this should be about any aveirah in the world

although it perfectly makes sense to boycott him and not use him for marketing, if you want the Yiddish market, do not embarrass them


So don't use him!

Stop the hate. And don't using "hating the behavior" as a mask to hate the person
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: zh cohen on February 28, 2020, 01:53:12 PM
The fact that you posted here before reaching out personally proves that you don't actually have lishma reasons for posting.
/.02

Agree that OP was not done right, but there is value in people knowing that Meir K is not sensitive to halacha/yiddishkeit so that they change the channel before watching.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: aygart on February 28, 2020, 02:25:50 PM
So this should be about any aveirah in the world

See Chofetz Chaim klal 4
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: ah giten on February 28, 2020, 02:33:54 PM
So this should be about any aveirah in the world
different when torah repeatedly days its משוקץ ומתועב, תועבה הוא, תועבת הגוים, than just any עבירה.
stop pretending you don't see a difference.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: JuryDuty on February 28, 2020, 02:39:32 PM
I see a huge difference. Honestly I was really upset when I saw the video also. I just don't see this difference lending room to hate. Disgust, horror, maybe. No hate.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: JuryDuty on February 28, 2020, 02:40:20 PM
See Chofetz Chaim klal 4

Quote? I'm interested, and realistically not gonna get around to seeing it inside
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: aygart on February 28, 2020, 02:42:43 PM
Quote? I'm interested, and realistically not gonna get around to seeing it inside
It absolutely can be for any aveira. The real difference is whether it is something that "everyone knows". So eating chazer can be worse that some chiyuvei misa in this regard even though it is only a lav.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: ah giten on February 28, 2020, 02:44:43 PM
I see a huge difference. Honestly I was really upset when I saw the video also. I just don't see this difference lending room to hate. Disgust, horror, maybe. No hate.
a guy I'm disgusted of, can often be called a guy I hate... not that hate is the correct word.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Shkop on February 28, 2020, 03:35:59 PM
Oh, and I hate people like berland also
I thought you hate people that hate on others.
So you draw the line at a certain point. Understood
Well I believe that line should be redrawn to include homosexuals
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Shkop on February 28, 2020, 03:39:25 PM
Here you are posting on the internet, but what's treif? TV!
Correct. TV and Internet have clear differences.
Internet is necessary for many people (although can be abused). TV is unnecessary.
Thus you will find many Rabbanim strongly urging people to filter their internet.
As far as TV goes, they are very clear that one should not have it and that it is 100% wrong.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: mochjas on February 28, 2020, 03:44:45 PM
Correct. TV and Internet have clear differences.
Internet is necessary for many people (although can be abused). TV is unnecessary.
Thus you will find many Rabbanim strongly urging people to filter their internet.
As far as TV goes, they are very clear that one should not have it and that it is 100% wrong.
its too bad your filter didnít filter out the Meir Kay video.....
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Shkop on February 28, 2020, 03:46:53 PM
Why are you so God-d**m judgemental?
Not nice to include G-ds name in a swear word. 
This is a recurring theme I've seen with your posts, you seem to think that God has given you a special job to make sure every other Jew lives their lives according to your brand of Judaism and what you think halacha says. It's very clear though that you don't really the depth of knowledge and understanding of halacha that you think you do. Your inability to understand and accept other people's views and opinions is why you'll continue to clash with other people. Your posts lead me to believe that you don't actually want to change anyone's mind about anything, you just want to be right. And that's why you'll continue being wrong.
yada yada yada. I'm not into blanket attacks without substance. Feel free to highlight something. Specifically what is wrong and why.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Shkop on February 28, 2020, 03:47:46 PM
its too bad your filter didnít filter out the Meir Kay video.....
Fair point. My filter doesn't ban Youtube although I do have an option to shade out skin
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: chevron on March 01, 2020, 12:00:57 AM
Not nice to include G-ds name in a swear word.  yada yada yada. I'm not into blanket attacks without substance. Feel free to highlight something. Specifically what is wrong and why.

All of your posts lacked substance..

Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Muhammad on March 01, 2020, 06:15:42 AM
I hate people like berland also
How/why do you hate someone that all you know about them is from the media?

Ever heard of #FakeNews
Title: Re: Meir Kay should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Something Fishy on March 01, 2020, 09:42:07 AM
The real crime here is the spelling of his name in the thread title.

Fixed, and now the world is all right again.
Title: Re: Meir Kay should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: MeirS on March 01, 2020, 10:39:46 AM
It all boils down to:
Guilty until proven innocent or innocent until proven guilty. Same for Mezuzos scandal, same for any of the Kashrus scandals, same with this.
If you're okay using/consuming anything that "everyone uses", you're going with an attitude of innocent until proven guilty and you're going to burn yourself once before each time you define something as guilty/improper.
If you only listen to someone you know is kosher, buy from a Softer you know is Kosher, eat from a company/brand you know is kosher, then you won't burn yourself, and you'll tend to get annoyed by people who burn themselves and go around parading as if they've discovered America, whilst you think "who asked them to go that way in the first place?".

I hope people can make some sense or of my rant.

End rant
Title: Re: Meir Kay should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Shkop on March 01, 2020, 11:32:42 AM
It all boils down to:
Guilty until proven innocent or innocent until proven guilty. Same for Mezuzos scandal, same for any of the Kashrus scandals, same with this.
If you're okay using/consuming anything that "everyone uses", you're going with an attitude of innocent until proven guilty and you're going to burn yourself once before each time you define something as guilty/improper.
If you only listen to someone you know is kosher, buy from a Softer you know is Kosher, eat from a company/brand you know is kosher, then you won't burn yourself, and you'll tend to get annoyed by people who burn themselves and go around parading as if they've discovered America, whilst you think "who asked them to go that way in the first place?".

I hope people can make some sense or of my rant.

End rant
Trying to make sense of it but not clear about what the core message is exactly...
Title: Re: Meir Kay should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Yehuda57 on March 01, 2020, 12:02:07 PM
Trying to make sense of it but not clear about what the core message is exactly...
Personal responsibility
Title: Re: Meir Kay should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Shkop on March 01, 2020, 12:12:05 PM
Personal responsibility
Akin to free will. OK. People are free to choose and thus responsible for their actions. Not sure though what that is suppose to prove
Title: Re: Meir Kay should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Yehuda57 on March 01, 2020, 12:25:26 PM


Akin to free will.

Try again
Title: Re: Meir Kay should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: zh cohen on March 01, 2020, 12:36:15 PM
I am free to choose and thus responsible for my actions.

Does this help?
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: pointer on March 01, 2020, 03:21:16 PM
This is one line that upset me. Toeva is an abomination. that does not mean hate. Hate is coming from you. And I hate people that hate on others. Except amalek, of course.
Torah didn't say hate
סנהדרין קו א) א-להיהם של אלו שונא זימה)
Yes, even Balaam knew that.
Title: Re: Meir Kay should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Jeremiah on March 01, 2020, 04:08:23 PM
אֹהֲבֵי ה' שִׂנְאוּ-רָע
Title: Re: Meir Kay should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Dan on March 01, 2020, 04:12:52 PM
https://www.chabad.org/library/tanya/tanya_cdo/aid/1029018/jewish/Chapter-32.htm
Title: Re: Meir Kay should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: pointer on March 01, 2020, 04:34:50 PM
https://www.chabad.org/library/tanya/tanya_cdo/aid/1029018/jewish/Chapter-32.htm
Not talking on the person.
The sin however, you definitely should hate. זימה especially.
Title: Re: Meir Kay should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Dan on March 01, 2020, 04:44:52 PM
Not talking on the person.
The sin however, you definitely should hate. זימה especially.
OK?
Title: Re: Meir Kay should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: pointer on March 01, 2020, 06:39:21 PM
OK?
Well, I thought you were responding to what was just said.
Guess you just dropped a random thought.
Title: Re: Meir Kay should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Dan on March 01, 2020, 08:33:57 PM
General thought on this thread.
Title: Re: Meir Kay should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: TheAsh on March 12, 2020, 08:04:03 PM
Late to the party here, but I tuned out Meir after his "11 Types Of People You Meet in Yel Aviv" (DO NOT WATCH IT). He is a navul shelo bereshus hatorah. Its terrible that frum people give him any business at all.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: ExGingi on March 12, 2020, 08:34:39 PM
Late to the party here, but I tuned out Meir after his "11 Types Of People You Meet in Yel Aviv" (DO NOT WATCH IT). He is a navul shelo bereshus hatorah. Its terrible that frum people give him any business at all.

Even my curiosity was piqued by your post. What's your point? (I didn't watch).

At least
The description in the OP is sufficient to understand what's wrong with it. No need to see all the details (which I am unaware of, nor do I care about).

But you gave no description. Just a mention and name calling, which I disagree with, as I think it is rather a case of

I doubt whether Meir K asks anyone prior to producing whatever he produces. This is an unfortunate symptom that we see much of in this generation, of yidden with good intentions just doing whatever they think is OK, without seeking and accepting authority.
Title: Re: Meir Key should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: TheAsh on March 12, 2020, 09:42:44 PM
Even my curiosity was piqued by your post. What's your point? (I didn't watch).

At least
But you gave no description. Just a mention and name calling, which I disagree with, as I think it is rather a case of

Do you want a to see a supposed rabbi be "not-shomer-negia" with a lady dressed in a bikini on a beach? Watch it. Otherwise, no.
Title: Re: Meir Kay should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: stooges44 on March 12, 2020, 10:34:50 PM
Why oh why is this thread back??
Title: Re: Meir Kay should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: ReadsTheT&C on March 12, 2020, 10:44:33 PM
Can we deal with this shtus after the pikuach nefesh business is finished? Shuls closed. Pesach programs canceled. People dying. Markets crashing. Yidden being blamed for the spread of a pandemic in the population capital of the western world. Not excusing any behavior from Meir Kay and I know we are capable of walking and chewing gum at the same time but priorities?
Title: Re: Meir Kay should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: NotMeirKey on March 12, 2020, 10:56:56 PM
Title: Re: Meir Kay should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: ah giten on March 12, 2020, 11:16:48 PM
Can we deal with this shtus after the pikuach nefesh business is finished? Shuls closed. Pesach programs canceled. People dying. Markets crashing. Yidden being blamed for the spread of a pandemic in the population capital of the western world. Not excusing any behavior from Meir Kay and I know we are capable of walking and chewing gum at the same time but priorities?
in a time like this, maybe its also appropriate to not post a video like this....
Title: Re: Meir Kay should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Something Fishy on March 12, 2020, 11:55:27 PM
Shuls closed. Pesach programs canceled. People dying. Markets crashing.

I really hope this list is in "no particular order"

Title: Re: Meir Kay should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: Something Fishy on March 12, 2020, 11:55:53 PM
Also, where?

Yidden being blamed for the spread of a pandemic in the population capital of the western world.
Title: Re: Meir Kay should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: yitzgar on March 13, 2020, 12:22:38 AM
I really hope this list is in "no particular order"
Lol
Title: Re: Meir Kay should take down the homosexual video and issue an apology
Post by: TheAsh on March 13, 2020, 05:42:04 AM


Hey Meir, I met you at the kotel. I've promoted your work on my (now-defunct) website and Telegram channel. You've really disappointed me. Please either do teshuva or go full Matisyahu - just stop "representing" frum people!