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Title: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Joel on March 15, 2020, 05:51:23 PM
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/487657-trudeau-says-closing-canadian-borders-an-option
Title: Re: Trudeau says closing Canadian borders an option
Post by: RewardsAddict on March 15, 2020, 05:59:22 PM
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/487657-trudeau-says-closing-canadian-borders-an-option
So now it's not only flying that's a problem
Title: Re: Trudeau says closing Canadian borders an option
Post by: CountValentine on March 15, 2020, 06:01:53 PM
Close all travel.
Title: Re: Trudeau says closing Canadian borders an option
Post by: myi on March 16, 2020, 12:14:57 AM
Seems only foreigners, while Canadian citizens would be able to return home.
Title: Re: Trudeau says closing Canadian borders an option
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on March 16, 2020, 12:21:55 AM
Will pose a problem for Americans using the chartered TLV-YZZ flight on 3/18. Theyíre going to connect in Canada.
Title: Re: Trudeau says closing Canadian borders an option
Post by: myi on March 16, 2020, 12:25:05 AM
Will pose a problem for Americans using the chartered TLV-YZZ flight on 3/18. Theyíre going to connect in Canada.
A ahort connecting flight shouldn't be an issue.
Title: Re: Trudeau says closing Canadian borders an option
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on March 16, 2020, 12:33:20 AM
A ahort connecting flight shouldn't be an issue.

It could be if borders are shut down and connecting flights are cancelled.
Title: Re: Trudeau says closing Canadian borders an option
Post by: myi on March 16, 2020, 12:35:27 AM
It could be if borders are shut down and connecting flights are cancelled.
The borders are shut for foreigners, while people coming back home will have to remain at home for a couple of days, not to infect others if they caught any type of COVID19.
Title: Re: Trudeau says closing Canadian borders an option
Post by: SamCan on March 16, 2020, 01:38:13 AM
First Trudeau and Freeland were going on and on not to close any borders or cancel flights, what changed? Reality or US pressure?
Title: Re: Trudeau says closing Canadian borders an option
Post by: ari3 on March 16, 2020, 02:12:50 AM
First Trudeau and Freeland were going on and on not to close any borders or cancel flights, what changed? Reality or US pressure?
Maybe his wife getting the virus changed his thinking.
Title: Re: Trudeau says closing Canadian borders an option
Post by: syp5 on March 16, 2020, 12:41:02 PM
Canada still has flights coming in from China
https://mobile.twitter.com/ezralevant/status/1239587822920585216
Title: Re: Trudeau says closing Canadian borders an option
Post by: SamCan on March 16, 2020, 01:43:15 PM
Trudeau just blocked border to non Canadians, US citizens without symptoms exempted.
Title: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on March 16, 2020, 01:56:03 PM
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-the-latest-on-the-coronavirus-markets-open-sharply-lower-in-europe/

Canada is closing its borders to non-citizens because of the coronavirus pandemic, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced Monday.

"We can still slow the spread of this virus," Trudeau said. "It is time to take every precaution to keep people safe."

Canada will make some exceptions to the closure of its borders, including for U.S. citizens.

"Let me be clear, if you're abroad, it's time to come home," Trudeau said, speaking to Canadian citizen.

This is breaking news. Check back for updates.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: SamCan on March 16, 2020, 03:01:13 PM
Policies Starting on Wednesday,

Us citizens that were outside US or Canada within 14 days will be banned.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on March 16, 2020, 10:20:36 PM
People are very misinformed (in general). My wife has an coworker who thinks she wonít be allowed in for Pesach to be at her parents. Why donít people do proper research?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: israshot on March 18, 2020, 10:08:25 AM
Invalid Tweet ID
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: SamCan on March 18, 2020, 12:49:35 PM
Has ďurgent reasonsĒ been explained ?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: CountValentine on March 18, 2020, 12:52:52 PM
Has ďurgent reasonsĒ been explained ?
No urgent reasons given. A prudent step to take is the reason.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on March 18, 2020, 01:39:14 PM
No urgent reasons given. A prudent step to take is the reason.
A few days ago a 15 passenger van with both US and canadian citizens travelling to a bar mitzvah were told only the canadians can pass (they turn around and went to an off route border where they all passed...)
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Mo2 on March 18, 2020, 03:06:40 PM
Now that the border is closed for ALL non essential travel, should I assume my flights from US to Canada for Pesach will be canceled and refunded?  Flying to Canada using AA miles and returning with paid AC flight
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Bostener on March 18, 2020, 03:52:32 PM
Cancelled? yes
Refund? Keep is posted
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Bostener on March 18, 2020, 04:49:45 PM

Canadian border information
1204-983-3500
1506-636-5064

From Canada you can call 800-461-9999
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Mootkim on March 18, 2020, 04:57:01 PM
Quoting from someone in Montreal who spoke to border control and said that even US citizens in Canada are not allowed to come into America and are stuck there. As for Canadian citizens, they are being allowed into Canada for now. A minor who is a US citizen can go into Canada with a parent who is a Canadian citizen. However, a spouse who is not a Canadian citizen is not able to come into Canada even with proof of marriage.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: israshot on March 18, 2020, 05:03:43 PM
Quoting from someone in Montreal who spoke to border control and said that even US citizens in Canada are not allowed to come into America and are stuck there. As for Canadian citizens, they are being allowed into Canada for now. A minor who is a US citizen can go into Canada with a parent who is a Canadian citizen. However, a spouse who is not a Canadian citizen is not able to come into Canada even with proof of marriage.
Sounds very strange that a country wouldn't allow a person to go back to his home country. Especially that they announced it to be effective the same day without prior notice. DROBC and use common sense.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Bostener on March 18, 2020, 05:10:55 PM
Quoting from someone in Montreal who spoke to border control and said that even US citizens in Canada are not allowed to come into America and are stuck there. As for Canadian citizens, they are being allowed into Canada for now. A minor who is a US citizen can go into Canada with a parent who is a Canadian citizen. However, a spouse who is not a Canadian citizen is not able to come into Canada even with proof of marriage.

Can't be true.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: SamCan on April 14, 2020, 03:00:01 PM
All Canadians stay home!

Trudeau announced that Canadians without ďadequate locations for quarantineĒ will be forced to quarantine in an hotel. Basically, donít leave, as upon renetry it will be up to the border agent to decide if you can go home. Also if you donít live in Canada,  donít assume your Canadian passport will help you, as you might end up in an hotel. (Although Iím wondering if thatís a good way to achieve elite status...)
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on April 14, 2020, 03:07:36 PM
All Canadians stay home!

Trudeau announced that Canadians without ďadequate locations for quarantineĒ will be forced to quarantine in an hotel. Basically, donít leave, as upon renetry it will be up to the border agent to decide if you can go home. Also if you donít live in Canada,  donít assume your Canadian passport will help you, as you might end up in an hotel. (Although Iím wondering if thatís a good way to achieve elite status...)

Though I agree with most of what Canada has implemented, Trudeau is a joke, posting selfies from his country home over the weekend while the country is told to shelter at home.

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/governments-covid-19-rules-dont-seem-to-apply-to-andrew-scheer-and-justin-trudeau

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-trudeaus-cottage-visit-mocks-us-and-the-rules-he-sets
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: SamCan on April 14, 2020, 03:14:14 PM
Though I agree with most of what Canada has implemented, Trudeau is a joke, posting selfies from his country home over the weekend while the country is told to shelter at home.

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/governments-covid-19-rules-dont-seem-to-apply-to-andrew-scheer-and-justin-trudeau

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-trudeaus-cottage-visit-mocks-us-and-the-rules-he-sets


Correct, and the conservative leader isnít much better. Canada is starting to feel somewhere between a police state and a joke.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/scheer-trudeau-pandemic-covid-coronavirus-1.5531851

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2020/04/11/toronto-police-crack-down-on-social-distancing-with-ticket-blitz-up-to-1000.html



Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on April 14, 2020, 03:18:16 PM

Correct, and the conservative leader isnít much better. Canada is starting to feel somewhere between a police state and a joke.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/scheer-trudeau-pandemic-covid-coronavirus-1.5531851

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2020/04/11/toronto-police-crack-down-on-social-distancing-with-ticket-blitz-up-to-1000.html





Agreed. The only one who seems to be stepping up his game is Doug Ford. Real class act if you ask me.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Lurker on April 14, 2020, 03:27:20 PM
Agreed. The only one who seems to be stepping up his game is Doug Ford. Real class act if you ask me.

Maybe crack ain't all bad...
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: SamCan on April 14, 2020, 03:29:48 PM
Maybe crack ain't all bad...

That was his brother. Heís a very decent and effective politician.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on April 14, 2020, 03:29:52 PM
Maybe crack ain't all bad...
Lol, that was his brother. But they do have some things in common.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Lurker on April 14, 2020, 03:35:27 PM
My bad. They definitely look alike.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: SamCan on April 14, 2020, 03:48:32 PM
Although his news conferences sound like heís telling a bedtime story with someone acting out the motions, and the grandmother standing in the background.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: KSMH on April 14, 2020, 04:54:48 PM
Quoting from someone in Montreal who spoke to border control and said that even US citizens in Canada are not allowed to come into America and are stuck there. As for Canadian citizens, they are being allowed into Canada for now. A minor who is a US citizen can go into Canada with a parent who is a Canadian citizen. However, a spouse who is not a Canadian citizen is not able to come into Canada even with proof of marriage.
I know someone with Canadian citizenship and USA citizenship they as of a week ago had no issues entering the US.

I find it hard to believe the US has a right or will  refuse entry to a US citizen.

FYI: for those spouses that need to get back to Canada [without citizenship]  , there is a way to do it legally. Read the laws and the exceptions and tailor yourself to those.  I'm not encouraging this but there are those that need to do it in unique circumstances.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: SamCan on April 14, 2020, 05:25:02 PM

FYI: for those spouses that need to get back to Canada [without citizenship]  , there is a way to do it legally. Read the laws and the exceptions and tailor yourself to those.  I'm not encouraging this but there are those that need to do it in unique circumstances.

Correct but without the legal right to re entry, itís all risky. Also even citizens need to provide ďan adequate location where they will quarantineĒ or end up in an hotel.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: chff on April 17, 2020, 12:10:43 PM
Tuesday Chol Hamoed
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: KSMH on April 17, 2020, 12:28:29 PM
Tuesday Chol Hamoed
Yeah, I heard they are stopping into houses and counting how many adults are there, [from relative living there].

Happy to live in the USA.

Good part, I do think that construction is opening back up on Monday.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: israshot on May 19, 2020, 12:30:46 PM
Canada and the US have agreed to extend their agreement to keep border closed to non-essential travel to June 21 during the coronavirus pandemic.
https://apnews.com/4f0eccdf4d5a10afb49ca4d24f70b7bd
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on May 21, 2020, 12:43:22 PM
Anybody know anything or have any experience entering Canada as a Commercial vehicle, to avoid quarantine?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on May 21, 2020, 01:13:59 PM
Questions:

Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on May 21, 2020, 01:26:33 PM
Anybody know anything or have any experience entering Canada as a Commercial vehicle, to avoid quarantine?
What's your question?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on May 21, 2020, 01:44:40 PM
What's your question?
@danfan5773 posted this on DDMS:
For what itís worth. I have a friend that entered Canada by taking 3 cases of orange juice and went thru the commercial entry at the border and as the ban and quarantine is only for personal travel he was able to avoid the quarantine and was allegedly to enter with out issue

I was wondering if anybody knows more details
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on May 21, 2020, 01:49:35 PM
@danfan5773 posted this on DDMS:
For what itís worth. I have a friend that entered Canada by taking 3 cases of orange juice and went thru the commercial entry at the border and as the ban and quarantine is only for personal travel he was able to avoid the quarantine and was allegedly to enter with out issue

I was wondering if anybody knows more details
That is the case, but you cannot do that with a minivan full of people
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: KSMH on May 21, 2020, 01:56:22 PM
Anybody know anything or have any experience entering Canada as a Commercial vehicle, to avoid quarantine?
Yes, but a legit commercial vehicle, not
@danfan5773 posted this on DDMS:
For what itís worth. I have a friend that entered Canada by taking 3 cases of orange juice and went thru the commercial entry at the border and as the ban and quarantine is only for personal travel he was able to avoid the quarantine and was allegedly to enter with out issue

I was wondering if anybody knows more details
Its possible, but risky to do this.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on May 21, 2020, 02:13:15 PM
Its possible, but risky to do this.
What does it take, and what are the risks?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: KSMH on May 21, 2020, 02:50:08 PM
What does it take, and what are the risks?
PM'd
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on June 09, 2020, 09:11:26 PM
Canada-U.S. border restrictions to extend until late July amid coronavirus: sources (Global News) (https://globalnews.ca/news/7046333/canada-us-border-restrictions-extended/amp/)
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: ad120 on June 09, 2020, 10:12:02 PM
תכלית גערעדט:
Can American FLY into Canada without being subject to quarantine?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: israshot on June 09, 2020, 10:13:52 PM
תכלית גערעדט:
Can American FLY into Canada without being subject to quarantine?
Nope.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on June 09, 2020, 10:16:39 PM
תכלית גערעדט:
Can American FLY into Canada without being subject to quarantine?
I strongly doubt it.

But also tachlis, can a canadian fly into the US for no reason at all if you preclear customs in Canada? (Like the article quoted in the DDMS post.)
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: ad120 on June 09, 2020, 10:29:27 PM
Nope.
Regarding restrictions, In which ways is flying different than land crossing?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on June 09, 2020, 10:49:32 PM
Regarding restrictions, In which ways is flying different than land crossing?
I had heard it was different going Canda to US because (at least in YYZ) you pre clear US customs on Canadian soil, which somehow allows you to enter the US without an essential reason.

Was trying to confirm this I'm the post above yours though :)
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: ad120 on June 09, 2020, 11:05:39 PM
I had heard it was different going Canda to US because (at least in YYZ) you pre clear US customs on Canadian soil, which somehow allows you to enter the US without an essential reason.

Was trying to confirm this I'm the post above yours though :)
I am inquiring about an American going into Canada.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: YMW on June 09, 2020, 11:22:48 PM
But also tachlis, can a canadian fly into the US for no reason at all if you preclear customs in Canada? (Like the article quoted in the DDMS post.)
Yes, I heared first hand from someone that went, the restricion going into the US is only by car not by air.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on June 09, 2020, 11:32:53 PM
Yes, I heared first hand from someone that went, the restricion going into the US is only by car not by air.
Great, thanks.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Moshe123 on June 10, 2020, 12:22:20 AM
It's crazy. Why would Canada care if you quarantine for all the time you are there, but leave before 15 days? My parents have been locked up for 3 months already and I (had the virus long ago) want to visit.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: ad120 on June 10, 2020, 01:54:43 AM
Totalitarian Trudeau
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 10, 2020, 01:59:09 AM
It's crazy. Why would Canada care if you quarantine for all the time you are there, but leave before 15 days? My parents have been locked up for 3 months already and I (had the virus long ago) want to visit.
Because you can infect people in Canada on the way out?
I am inquiring about an American going into Canada.
They can't
Totalitarian Trudeau
Him and the governments of Australia, NZ, HK, Taiwan, Vietnam, Thailand, Singapore, China, Japan, SK, Kuwait, UAE, and many more
I had heard it was different going Canda to US because (at least in YYZ) you pre clear US customs on Canadian soil, which somehow allows you to enter the US without an essential reason.

US has no restrictions on Canadians entering the US, or people entering the US from Canada. PreClearance makes no difference.

Land borders are closed by mutual agreement to minimize traffic.

Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Moshe123 on June 10, 2020, 06:41:56 AM
Because you can infect people in Canada on the way out? They can't Him and the governments of Australia, NZ, HK, Taiwan, Vietnam, Thailand, Singapore, China, Japan, SK, Kuwait, UAE, and many more US has no restrictions on Canadians entering the US, or people entering the US from Canada. PreClearance makes no difference.

Land borders are closed by mutual agreement to minimize traffic.



How can I infect people in my car on the highway? Besides that there should be some exception for people with antibodies.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: YMW on June 10, 2020, 08:24:14 AM
It's crazy. Why would Canada care if you quarantine for all the time you are there, but leave before 15 days? My parents have been locked up for 3 months already and I (had the virus long ago) want to visit.
You can leave Canada before the 14 days is over.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: israshot on June 10, 2020, 08:34:11 AM


You can leave Canada before the 14 days are over.

"For non-discretionary reasons only"
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: israshot on June 10, 2020, 08:53:27 AM
How can I infect people in my car on the highway? Besides that there should be some exception for people with antibodies.
Remember, you're questioning the reasoning of a prime minister that looks (today) pretty much like a homeless...
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on June 10, 2020, 09:50:08 AM
Remember, you're questioning the reasoning of a president that looks (today) pretty much like a homeless...
He's a prime minister, but true- he is looking pretty shabby these days.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: myi on July 16, 2020, 11:55:36 PM
Here's the basic guidelines for when entering Canada..


(https://i.postimg.cc/nzj6qGkv/IMG-20200716-WA0114.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/S24Th8Hs)
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: yochai on October 15, 2020, 09:49:06 AM
Anyone with recent experience on US citizens flying to Canada (YYZ)? How strict are they with entering? Is the quarantine enforced?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Traveler718 on October 15, 2020, 09:50:27 AM
If you're a US citizen without a valid exemption to enter the country, I don't think you have a chance of getting in whether flying or driving.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on October 15, 2020, 10:04:01 AM
If you're a US citizen without a valid exemption to enter the country, I don't think you have a chance of getting in whether flying or driving.
In most cases you'll have to quarantine
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on October 15, 2020, 10:37:21 AM
Anyone with recent experience on US citizens flying to Canada (YYZ)? How strict are they with entering? Is the quarantine enforced?
No personal experience but I've heard that people have gotten turned away. Yes the quarantine is enforced. I hear enforcement seems a bit more lax if you've flown as opposed to driving, but enforced nonetheless.

In most cases you'll have to quarantine
How is he getting in though if he's not a Canadian citizen?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Moshe123 on October 15, 2020, 10:52:26 AM
I was in Canada 8 days ago by car for several hours. I'm Canadian.
I said whatever you're supposed to say.
They left 2 voicemails on Shabbos Shmini Atzeres that I should pick up the phone the next time they call. I got a robocall two days ago with bla bla generic message. No live calls since and no visit. will keep you posted if it changes.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on October 15, 2020, 01:20:44 PM
No personal experience but I've heard that people have gotten turned away. Yes the quarantine is enforced. I hear enforcement seems a bit more lax if you've flown as opposed to driving, but enforced nonetheless.
How is he getting in though if he's not a Canadian citizen?


(https://i.postimg.cc/wvs7H36N/1060.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/47sJQfH4)
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on October 15, 2020, 01:25:16 PM

Not a language that I speak, unfortunately :(
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: yochai on October 15, 2020, 02:23:45 PM
Thanks everyone. Iím asking for my sister whoís not Canadian, and is has an overnight connection in YYZ on the way from Israel to the US. Will she be able to leave the airport?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: yochai on October 15, 2020, 02:24:39 PM
Not a language that I speak, unfortunately :(
Same here!
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: ad120 on October 15, 2020, 07:59:01 PM
Thanks everyone. Iím asking for my sister whoís not Canadian, and is has an overnight connection in YYZ on the way from Israel to the US. Will she be able to leave the airport?
no
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 15, 2020, 08:00:37 PM
Thanks everyone. Iím asking for my sister whoís not Canadian, and is has an overnight connection in YYZ on the way from Israel to the US. Will she be able to leave the airport?
Will quite possibly be denied boarding at TLV, but YYZ border will probably allow her in for the night.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Mootkim on October 18, 2020, 12:45:37 AM
Does this new announcement mean that it is now closed indefinitely?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on October 18, 2020, 01:35:39 AM
Does this new announcement mean that it is now closed indefinitely?
It gets consistently pushed off in monthly intervals.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Something Fishy on October 18, 2020, 02:28:08 PM
Do they have any sort of reopening strategy or is the plan to keep postponing it for the next four hundred years?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: KSMH on October 18, 2020, 02:31:49 PM
Do they have any sort of reopening strategy or is the plan to keep postponing it for the next four hundred years?

Or untill Covid in the USA and Canada start leveling off...
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Traveler718 on October 18, 2020, 03:10:02 PM
Do they have any sort of reopening strategy or is the plan to keep postponing it for the next four hundred years?

I've heard rumors that the plan is to reopen it when you finish all your outstanding TR's and are in need of a new destination ... so about 400 years sounds right. :)
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Something Fishy on October 18, 2020, 03:16:21 PM
I've heard rumors that the plan is to reopen it when you finish all your outstanding TR's and are in need of a new destination ... so about 400 years sounds right. :)

 >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on October 18, 2020, 04:26:09 PM
The good news is, they still allow one to leave. For now..
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on November 03, 2020, 08:25:41 AM
New enforcement system being added to Canada's quarantine. Seems like starting in a few weeks you either have to download their app or call an automated line to check in daily. If you don't check in then you're a high priority for law enforcement to come check on you.

Not sure if you have to do anything on the app each day, but if you do then shabbos is going to be an issue. Though if you're keeping the quarantine you shouldn't have an issue with law enforcement showing up....

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/news/2020/11/government-of-canada-announces-new-mandatory-requirements-for-travellers-to-canada.html
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on November 03, 2020, 10:24:16 AM
New enforcement system being added to Canada's quarantine. Seems like starting in a few weeks you either have to download their app or call an automated line to check in daily. If you don't check in then you're a high priority for law enforcement to come check on you.

Not sure if you have to do anything on the app each day, but if you do then shabbos is going to be an issue. Though if you're keeping the quarantine you shouldn't have an issue with law enforcement showing up....

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/news/2020/11/government-of-canada-announces-new-mandatory-requirements-for-travellers-to-canada.html

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Travellers who donít use ArriveCAN to submit their information before entering Canada will be required to call the 1-833-641-0343 toll-free number on a daily basis throughout their quarantine or isolation period to provide their post-border information. They will not be able to revert to using ArriveCAN.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on November 03, 2020, 02:16:05 PM
New enforcement system being added to Canada's quarantine. Seems like starting in a few weeks you either have to download their app or call an automated line to check in daily. If you don't check in then you're a high priority for law enforcement to come check on you.

Not sure if you have to do anything on the app each day, but if you do then shabbos is going to be an issue. Though if you're keeping the quarantine you shouldn't have an issue with law enforcement showing up....

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/news/2020/11/government-of-canada-announces-new-mandatory-requirements-for-travellers-to-canada.html
Shabbos isn't 48 hours
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: AsherO on November 03, 2020, 03:01:35 PM
Shabbos isn't 48 hours

Right. Would potentially be a problem in a 2/3 day YomTov, hopefully COVID will be looooong gone when weíre at that point.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on November 03, 2020, 03:05:38 PM
Shabbos isn't 48 hours
People also likely wouldn't arrive on Shabbos :)

I wasn't referring to the initial check-in, I was referring to this:
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Travellers who donít use ArriveCAN to submit their information before entering Canada will be required to call the 1-833-641-0343 toll-free number on a daily basis throughout their quarantine or isolation period to provide their post-border information.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on November 03, 2020, 03:29:16 PM
People also likely wouldn't arrive on Shabbos :)

I wasn't referring to the initial check-in, I was referring to this:
Why not just use ArriveCAN?!
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on November 03, 2020, 03:37:42 PM
Why not just use ArriveCAN?!
Not sure if you have to do anything on the app each day, but if you do then shabbos is going to be an issue.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on November 03, 2020, 03:38:52 PM

From the article it's clear you don't..



ETA

From their website  (https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/arrivecan.html#a10)it seems clear you do
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on November 03, 2020, 04:25:20 PM
People also likely wouldn't arrive on Shabbos :)

I wasn't referring to the initial check-in, I was referring to this:
You can still call every day besides yom tov as mentioned
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: ExGingi on December 07, 2020, 04:21:05 PM
Someone just called me from EY today asking for travel insurance for a visit to the US and one day in Canada. I knew he's a Canadian, so I didn't question how he planned to enter Canada, but I asked him how he's planning to leave Canada after just one day. He was totally unaware of quarantine requirements (nor did his travel agent know anything about it apparently, as he booked and sold the ticket).

Is there any way this person might be able to enter Canada (YYZ) via air from the US and fly YYZ-TLV the next day (or later in the day, but after exiting the airport)?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: aygart on December 07, 2020, 04:22:42 PM
Someone just called me from EY today asking for travel insurance for a visit to the US and one day in Canada. I knew he's a Canadian, so I didn't question how he planned to enter Canada, but I asked him how he's planning to leave Canada after just one day. He was totally unaware of quarantine requirements (nor did his travel agent know anything about it apparently, as he booked and sold the ticket).

Is there any way this person might be able to enter Canada (YYZ) via air from the US and fly YYZ-TLV the next day (or later in the day, but after exiting the airport)?
My understanding is that they have no way of stopping you from leaving and once they are told you are out of the country it ends.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on December 07, 2020, 06:05:50 PM
My understanding is that they have no way of stopping you from leaving and once they are told you are out of the country it ends.
+1.

YMMV, but I know many many people who have come and gone within their 14 day quarantine.  I think most just said "I'm not sure how long I'm staying" on the way in, and had no problems on the way out.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: ExGingi on December 07, 2020, 07:30:14 PM
My understanding is that they have no way of stopping you from leaving and once they are told you are out of the country it ends.

Does @PlatinumGuy concur, or is there something to be concerned about בדיני שמים?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: S209 on December 07, 2020, 07:35:12 PM
Does @PlatinumGuy concur, or is there something to be concerned about בדיני שמים?
Air travel joke?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: aygart on December 07, 2020, 08:19:05 PM
Does @PlatinumGuy concur, or is there something to be concerned about בדיני שמים?
DISLIKE
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: sillypainter on December 07, 2020, 08:31:17 PM
Someone just called me from EY today asking for travel insurance for a visit to the US and one day in Canada. I knew he's a Canadian, so I didn't question how he planned to enter Canada, but I asked him how he's planning to leave Canada after just one day. He was totally unaware of quarantine requirements (nor did his travel agent know anything about it apparently, as he booked and sold the ticket).

Is there any way this person might be able to enter Canada (YYZ) via air from the US and fly YYZ-TLV the next day (or later in the day, but after exiting the airport)?
If he will tell the border agent that he stays for 1 day, he'll be refused entry. You MUST come with the intention of quarantining 14 days,otherwise you'll be sent back even though you're canadian. Unless he is an essential worker or enters for business reasons.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on December 07, 2020, 09:05:17 PM
If he will tell the border agent that he stays for 1 day, he'll be refused entry. You MUST come with the intention of quarantining 14 days,otherwise you'll be sent back even though you're canadian. Unless he is an essential worker or enters for business reasons.
-1
Although I wouldn't recommend it.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: moish on December 08, 2020, 03:38:39 PM
Is there any way this person might be able to enter Canada (YYZ) via air from the US and fly YYZ-TLV the next day (or later in the day, but after exiting the airport)?
I did precisely that in October. I arrived in YYZ in the evening and told them I would quarantine in an empty house until my flight the next afternoon. They had no problem with that. (My wife and some of my kids are Canadian)
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on December 08, 2020, 04:16:23 PM
I did precisely that in October. I arrived in YYZ in the evening and told them I would quarantine in an empty house until my flight the next afternoon. They had no problem with that. (My wife and some of my kids are Canadian)
YMMV. I'd at least try to say I'm not sure how long I'm staying.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: lcm on December 08, 2020, 07:52:12 PM
Did anyone try calling these numbers?
Canadian border information
1204-983-3500
1506-636-5064

From Canada you can call 800-461-9999

Health Canada
18337844397
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on December 08, 2020, 08:02:26 PM
YMMV. I'd at least try to say I'm not sure how long I'm staying.
While they may try to make you problems they have no legal right to do so (if your a Canadian), so while I wouldn't go advertising it, you should be fine nonetheless.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on December 31, 2020, 07:37:21 PM
As of Jan 7,  Canada will require passengers aged 5 and up to show a negative PCR test from less than 72 hours before boarding any flight to Canada.

A 14-day quarantine will still be mandatory, and passengers will have to present a quarantine plan. If their plan is deemed inadequate then they may have to quarantine in a government quarantine facility.

I think this is nuts. If requiring a negative PCR test then they should at least shorten the quarantine or just expand the Alberta system (https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=120657.msg2342772#msg2342772) ASAP.

ETA: Full government news release here. (https://www.canada.ca/en/transport-canada/news/2020/12/pre-departure-covid-19-testing-and-negative-results-to-be-required-for-all-air-travellers-coming-to-canada.html)
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Moshe123 on December 31, 2020, 07:38:20 PM
Also for land?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on December 31, 2020, 07:42:30 PM
Also for land?
No. Full government news release here. (https://www.canada.ca/en/transport-canada/news/2020/12/pre-departure-covid-19-testing-and-negative-results-to-be-required-for-all-air-travellers-coming-to-canada.html)
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on December 31, 2020, 08:28:37 PM
As of Jan 7,  Canada will require passengers aged 5 and up to show a negative PCR test from less than 72 hours before boarding any flight to Canada.

A 14-day quarantine will still be mandatory, and passengers will have to present a quarantine plan. If their plan is deemed inadequate then they may have to quarantine in a government quarantine facility.

I think this is nuts. If requiring a negative PCR test then they should at least shorten the quarantine or just expand the Alberta system (https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=120657.msg2342772#msg2342772) ASAP.

ETA: Full government news release here. (https://www.canada.ca/en/transport-canada/news/2020/12/pre-departure-covid-19-testing-and-negative-results-to-be-required-for-all-air-travellers-coming-to-canada.html)
The quarantine facility part isn't new, but what if the test is positive?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 31, 2020, 08:33:30 PM
The quarantine facility part isn't new, but what if the test is positive?
You can't board a flight with a positive test
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on December 31, 2020, 08:38:24 PM
You can't board a flight with a positive test
Got it, in that case it really wouldn't make sense to implement it for land borders
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on December 31, 2020, 08:40:23 PM
Got it, in that case it really wouldn't make sense to implement it for land borders
They have turned people back before.. I wouldn't be surprised if that came next.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 31, 2020, 08:41:22 PM
Got it, in that case it really wouldn't make sense to implement it for land borders
Canada entry rules explicitly allow Covid positive Canadians to enter via land, and forbid them from traveling by air.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: AsherO on December 31, 2020, 09:48:47 PM
Canada entry rules explicitly allow Covid positive Canadians to enter via land, and forbid them from traveling by air.

Which makes some sense. They might want to allow them to seek healthcare at home (Canada), but they donít want them to expose other air passengers to COVID.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on December 31, 2020, 10:48:53 PM
FWIW, I'm hearing that land crossings into the US are being more lenient about a Canadian entering the US with an American spouse. (People were previously getting turned back.) I spoke to a CBP officer today and he said it's up to the individual CBP officers/supervisor on duty, but recently I'm hearing that some have been successful.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: AsherO on December 31, 2020, 11:20:37 PM
FWIW, I'm hearing that land crossings into the US are being more lenient about a Canadian entering the US with an American spouse. (People were previously getting turned back.) I spoke to a CBP officer today and he said it's up to the individual CBP officers/supervisor on duty, but recently I'm hearing that some have been successful.

Didnít realize US borders were closed to Canadians in the first place...
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on December 31, 2020, 11:21:45 PM
Didnít realize US borders were closed to Canadians in the first place...
Land borders are closed, air always stayed open.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: aygart on December 31, 2020, 11:31:37 PM
Land borders are closed, air always stayed open.
#science
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on December 31, 2020, 11:58:50 PM
#AirlineLobbying
FTFY
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on January 06, 2021, 05:04:48 PM
This starts today. Maybe (hopefully!) this will push the federal government to get the Alberta thing up and running here soon.

https://www.cp24.com/news/province-offering-free-voluntary-covid-19-tests-for-inbound-international-travellers-at-pearson-airport-1.5255339
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on January 13, 2021, 01:21:23 PM
FWIW, I'm hearing that land crossings into the US are being more lenient about a Canadian entering the US with an American spouse. (People were previously getting turned back.) I spoke to a CBP officer today and he said it's up to the individual CBP officers/supervisor on duty, but recently I'm hearing that some have been successful.
I can now confirm that this works, though YMMV. They did make us go into the CBP office and speak to a supervisor as they said that's now protocol, but the supervisor didn't give us a hard time. FWIW, they do want to hear a good justification for why you need to travel.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on January 13, 2021, 02:46:49 PM
I can now confirm that this works, though YMMV. They did make us go into the CBP office and speak to a supervisor as they said that's now protocol, but the supervisor didn't give us a hard time. FWIW, they do want to hear a good justification for why you need to travel.
That is good news however we need something more concrete as a YMMV could pose to be very challenging at times
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on January 13, 2021, 02:54:26 PM
That is good news however we need something more concrete as a YMMV could pose to be very challenging at times
Agreed. We drove but had a flight booked for the next day as a backup. Not reliable and not always feasible.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on January 13, 2021, 02:58:31 PM
Agreed. We drove but had a flight booked for the next day as a backup. Not reliable and not always feasible.
So your spouse isn't a US citizen at all I assume? Any of her parents are? Which crossing?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on January 13, 2021, 03:00:17 PM
So your spouse isn't a US citizen at all I assume? Any of her parents are?
Other way around- she is, I am not. Neither of my parents are.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on January 13, 2021, 03:01:09 PM
Which crossing?

Looks like you missed my (edited) post. Which crossing?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on January 13, 2021, 03:03:55 PM
Looks like you missed my (edited) post. Which crossing?
Peace Bridge. I couldn't get through to an officer on the phone at any of the Niagara bridges to ask, and Kingston said no.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: israshot on January 13, 2021, 03:34:28 PM
My mother in law came yesterday from Montreal to NY with her son. She is us citizen but not her son. Agent told them it's a grey area and let them through.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on January 13, 2021, 03:41:00 PM
My mother in law came yesterday from Montreal to NY with her son. She is us citizen but not her son. Agent told them it's a grey area and let them through.
Interesting. I had called the CBP in Sept/Oct when they weren't letting spouses through at all and they said kids of a citizen are allowed in, though they may have mentioned specifically minor kids. Is your BIL over 18? I assume that may be why it's grey...
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: how on January 13, 2021, 03:42:27 PM
Any DP on Canadians driving to the U.S. for medical needs?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: israshot on January 13, 2021, 04:33:30 PM
Interesting. I had called the CBP in Sept/Oct when they weren't letting spouses through at all and they said kids of a citizen are allowed in, though they may have mentioned specifically minor kids. Is your BIL over 18? I assume that may be why it's grey...
He's 16.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: aygart on January 14, 2021, 11:02:46 AM
ESCAPE NOW WHILE YOU STILL CAN!!!!
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: how on January 14, 2021, 11:22:10 AM
ESCAPE NOW WHILE YOU STILL CAN!!!!
?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on January 14, 2021, 11:22:50 AM
?
+1
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: aygart on January 14, 2021, 11:23:30 AM
?
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/12/americas/ontario-lockdown-canada-stay-at-home-order/index.html
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on January 14, 2021, 11:50:32 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/12/americas/ontario-lockdown-canada-stay-at-home-order/index.html
Practically speaking there are only a few changes from the previous restrictions- workplaces, big box stores, etc. People seem to be taking it more seriously now that they're calling it a stay-at-home order though.

But yes, personally I did flee South for a bit :)
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: aygart on January 14, 2021, 12:14:16 PM
Practically speaking there are only a few changes from the previous restrictions- workplaces, big box stores, etc. People seem to be taking it more seriously now that they're calling it a stay-at-home order though.

But yes, personally I did flee South for a bit :)
I heard (not from someone actually there) that they are giving fines to people off their properties, is this not true?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on January 14, 2021, 12:31:58 PM
ESCAPE NOW WHILE YOU STILL CAN!!!!
post this on "WORLD MASTER THREAD"
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on January 14, 2021, 12:51:54 PM
I heard (not from someone actually there) that they are giving fines to people off their properties, is this not true?
In Qebec at night, yes. Not in Ontario.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7569468/coronavirus-quebec-police-tickets-first-weekend-curfew/
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 14, 2021, 01:37:14 PM
Not in Ontario.
They claim they will beginning today albeit with many potential excuses.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: AussieMan on January 14, 2021, 09:26:49 PM
Does anyone in Florida MIA FLL area know where we can test and what the timeline for results are.
We have to test within 3 days of flight, but also have to make sure results are in....
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Moshke on January 14, 2021, 10:02:26 PM
Does anyone in Florida MIA FLL area know where we can test and what the timeline for results are.
We have to test within 3 days of flight, but also have to make sure results are in....
Call this guy +1 (585) 224-5832
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: how on January 27, 2021, 09:56:29 AM
Did the  new rules for travel  change anything for driving. Do you need a negative test to enter the US By car?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on January 27, 2021, 11:17:59 AM
Did the  new rules for travel  change anything for driving. Do you need a negative test to enter the US By car?
Nothing changed thus far
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 27, 2021, 01:02:16 PM
Did the  new rules for travel  change anything for driving. Do you need a negative test to enter the US By car?

Only airline passengers need a test for CA/US

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/testing-international-air-travelers.html#:~:text=On%20January%2012%2C%202021%2C%20CDC,airline%20before%20boarding%20the%20flight.

Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: ExGingi on January 29, 2021, 12:29:00 PM
https://globalnews.ca/news/7607191/covid-canada-international-travel-restrictions/
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on January 29, 2021, 12:38:51 PM
Int'l travelers returning to #Canada 

1. You test negative within 72 hours before your flight
2. You test again upon landing
3. You are quarantined for 3 days at a controlled facility (hotel) you cannot come in contact with anyone
4. Your 2nd test is negative
5. ⁉You still need to quarantine  at home for another 11 days ⁉
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on January 29, 2021, 12:44:52 PM
3. You are quarantined for 3 days at a controlled facility (hotel) you cannot come in contact with anyone
At a cost of $2,000+ to be paid by the traveler, which is unsurprising given that our government blew their brains out and spent over $10k/person at the voluntary isolation hotels earlier on in the pandemic.

5. ⁉You still need to quarantine  at home for another 11 days ⁉
Absolutely, with "increased surveillance".
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 29, 2021, 12:46:05 PM
3 days isnít the end of the world.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: AsherO on January 29, 2021, 12:46:23 PM
At a cost of $2,000+ to be paid by the traveler, which is unsurprising given that our government blew their brains out and spent over $10k/person at the voluntary isolation hotels earlier on in the pandemic.

That's crazy. For all we know they're going to lose money even after charging $2k+...
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: AsherO on January 29, 2021, 12:46:34 PM
3 days isnít the end of the world.

Neither is two weeks. Granted two weeks is two long for some situations (e.g. dying relative).
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: ExGingi on January 29, 2021, 12:50:05 PM
Up to 3 days isnít the end of the world.
FTFY

While the headlines all over mention 3 days, the article seems to say "up to" 3 days, which might mean that if negative results come sooner, it could be shorter. But then again we're talking about Canada, how likely is that to happen?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on January 29, 2021, 12:52:28 PM
That's crazy. For all we know they're going to lose money even after charging $2k+...
Yes, and CBC thinks that "...The move is not without precedent. Australia has been requiring most travellers to quarantine at a government-arranged hotel for 14 days for $2,800 AUD per adult and $4,620 AUD for a family of four."

They don't seem to realize that $2,800 for 14 days is kinda very different than $2,000+ for 3 days...
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on January 29, 2021, 12:56:01 PM
FTFY

While the headlines all over mention 3 days, the article seems to say "up to" 3 days, which might mean that if negative results come sooner, it could be shorter. But then again we're talking about Canada, how likely is that to happen?
Could happen, even in Canada :)

Of the 3 PCR tests that I took at Ontaro testing centers in the past 2 months, I got results for all three within 24-36 hours. I can imagine that they might be slower at the airport than in a hospital but hopefully it'll be less than 3 days.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on January 29, 2021, 12:57:36 PM
Yes, and CBC thinks that "...The move is not without precedent. Australia has been requiring most travellers to quarantine at a government-arranged hotel for 14 days for $2,800 AUD per adult and $4,620 AUD for a family of four."

They don't seem to realize that $2,800 for 14 days is kinda very different than $2,000+ for 3 days...
HE didn't say if $2000 is per person? does a couple need to isolate separately until the results are back?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on January 29, 2021, 12:58:41 PM
I think one big question here is land borders. Trudeau said they'll require testing but I'm hearing different things about whether they'll require hotel quarantines...
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 29, 2021, 01:01:12 PM
Neither is two weeks. Granted two weeks is two long for some situations (e.g. dying relative).
People with dying relatives gets exemptions from everything already. And yes, they're allowed into the hospitals so the risk is large.

Of the 3 PCR tests that I took at Ontaro testing centers in the past 2 months, I got results for all three within 24-36 hours. I can imagine that they might be slower at the airport than in a hospital but hopefully it'll be less than 3 days.
FH Health should be fastest 

They don't seem to realize that $2,800 for 14 days is kinda very different than $2,000+ for 3 days...
If it allows opening the schools soon and keeping them open, 90%+ of the population will be thrilled.

Ontario has en exemplary lockdown ~4500/day around Jan 1, closing schools and other restrictions brought it down to ~1500/day now. Quarantine hotels is the reopening strategy so it isn't seeded again.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on January 29, 2021, 01:15:37 PM
HE didn't say if $2000 is per person? does a couple need to isolate separately until the results are back?
I've seen it reported as $2k per person, but I don't remember Trudeau's exact words. You could be right.

FH Health should be fastest 
What's FH Health?

If it allows opening the schools soon and keeping them open, 90%+ of the population will be thrilled.

Ontario has en exemplary lockdown ~4500/day around Jan 1, closing schools and other restrictions brought it down to ~1500/day now. Quarantine hotels is the reopening strategy so it isn't seeded again.
I wasn't commenting on the effectiveness of these hotels. I was only commenting on the excessive cost.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 29, 2021, 01:17:42 PM
What's FH Health?
Fast PCRs

https://www.fhhealth.ca

Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 29, 2021, 01:18:08 PM
I saw Canada is also cancelling all flights to Mexico/Caribbean.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on January 29, 2021, 01:22:05 PM
Fast PCRs

https://www.fhhealth.ca
You're not going to have a choice of where to take a test. I assume they'll be doing the tests at the airport or at the hotels and you'll have to wait for the results of whatever test they give.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on January 29, 2021, 01:23:28 PM
I saw Canada is also cancelling all flights to Mexico/Caribbean.
Yes. Interestingly, Florida is not included.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 29, 2021, 01:28:09 PM
Yes. Interestingly, Florida is not included.
The US still has some clout...
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on January 29, 2021, 01:30:49 PM
Quote from: DDMS
The above doesnít apply if you drive into Canada, but Canada will require a negative PCR test in order to enter Canada via a land border starting next week and additional testing requirements may be added.
@Dan did you see this clearly somewhere?

I'm particularly interested as I'm currently in the US with plans to drive home to Canada at some point :)
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Dan on January 29, 2021, 01:31:54 PM
@Dan did you see this clearly somewhere?

I'm particularly interested as I'm currently in the US with plans to drive home to Canada at some point :)
Was in the one of the articles I read.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on January 29, 2021, 01:36:49 PM
Was in the one of the articles I read.
Got it. Thanks.

Hopefully the government will post the official news shortly. I assume it'l lbe posted here (https://www.canada.ca/en/news/COVID-19-announcements.html).
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 29, 2021, 01:38:05 PM
Was in the one of the articles I read.

ďWe will also, in the coming weeks, be requiring nonessential travelers to show a negative test before entry at the land border with the US, and we are working to stand up additional testing requirements for land travel,Ē Trudeau said.

https://apnews.com/article/travel-justin-trudeau-canada-coronavirus-pandemic-21d1685b076a62025326b0eb4441cd9c

Sounds like business as usual for now.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on January 29, 2021, 01:41:38 PM
Was in the one of the articles I read.
Why not just listen to Justin? He says it all clearly.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on January 29, 2021, 01:47:03 PM
One thing that seems particularly vague is the start date of the hotel quarantine. I personally know half a dozen people who are now struggling to decide when to fly home from the US. If Trudeau had at least said an approximate date people would be able to plan accordingly.

I'm sure it'll take them some time to get this set up but I assume he's keeping it vague to discourage people from taking quick trips to sunnier destinations before the hotel thing kicks in...
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 29, 2021, 02:02:00 PM
I assume he's keeping it vague to discourage people from taking quick trips to sunnier destinations before the hotel thing kicks in...
Yeah his message has been to avoid trips because of potential abrupt change in reentry regulations.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on January 29, 2021, 03:22:40 PM
Hopefully the government will post the official news shortly. I assume it'l lbe posted here (https://www.canada.ca/en/news/COVID-19-announcements.html).
The official news releases are out:

Government of Canada introduces further restrictions on international travel (https://www.canada.ca/en/transport-canada/news/2021/01/government-of-canada-introduces-further-restrictions-on-international-travel.html)

Expansion of international flight restrictions at Canadian airports (https://www.canada.ca/en/transport-canada/news/2021/01/expansion-of-international-flight-restrictions-at-canadian-airports.html)

Canada to implement new testing and quarantine measures to reduce COVID-19 infection related to non-essential international air travel  (https://www.canada.ca/en/transport-canada/news/2021/01/canada-to-implement-new-testing-and-quarantine-measures-to-reduce-covid-19-infection-related-to-non-essential-international-air-travel.html)


@Dan you were correct about land borders-
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As soon as possible in the coming weeks, all air travellers arriving in Canada, with very limited exceptions, must reserve a room in a Government of Canada-approved hotel for three nights at their own cost, and take a COVID-19 molecular test on arrival at their own cost. More details will be available in the coming days.

The Government of Canada will introduce a 72-hour pre-arrival testing requirement (molecular test) for travellers seeking entry in land mode, with limited exceptions such as commercial truckers. In addition, we continue to collaborate with partners in the United States to strengthen our border measures and keep our countries safe.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on January 29, 2021, 03:29:30 PM
Wow. They really seem to be stepping up enforcement:

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Travellers are still required to complete a mandatory 14-day quarantine. To ensure travellersí awareness and compliance with quarantine requirements, the Public Health Agency of Canada (PHAC) is working with security companies to help complete compliance checks for travellers arriving in Canada. As part of this partnership, PHAC has awarded contracts to four security companies: The Canadian Corps of Commissionaires, G4S Secure Solutions (Canada) Ltd., Garda Canada Security Corporation (GardaWorld), and Paladin Risk Solutions.

Employees of these companies were trained by PHAC to be authorized as Screening Officers under the Quarantine Act. These new Screening Officers will visit travellersí quarantine locations to establish contact, confirm identify and confirm that travellers are at the place of quarantine they identified upon entry into Canada, to ensure that travellers are complying with the mandatory 14-day quarantine requirements. They will conduct these visits in 35 cities across the country, starting in Montreal and Toronto on January 29, 2021. A national phased roll-out will follow in the weeks ahead.

The Screening Officer may provide compliance education or issue verbal warnings, as required. Any cases that warrant a stronger enforcement action will be referred to PHAC, and PHAC will refer the case to law enforcement for follow-up.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Moshe123 on January 29, 2021, 04:29:24 PM
Crazy.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: myi on January 30, 2021, 09:05:17 PM
https://globalnews.ca/news/7607191/covid-canada-international-travel-restrictions/

 Wanted to pick up a car from Toronto, was hoping to be able to fly in from NY/NJ and then drive the car back across the border.
 Rather importing the car. Wonder if they'll make me issues.

 Not sure what would be for a US citizen who holds a Canadian citizenship and wants to enter Canada?
 Make you quarantine like a Canadian citizen?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 30, 2021, 09:27:06 PM
Not sure what would be for a US citizen who holds a Canadian citizenship and wants to enter Canada?
 Make you quarantine like a Canadian citizen?
Yes. Why not?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: myi on January 30, 2021, 10:01:21 PM
Yes. Why not?
That means basically anyone that is allowed into the country is either in Canadian citizen or has another reason why is coming in and would need to go to the hotel for 3 days?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 30, 2021, 10:06:37 PM
That means basically anyone that is allowed into the country is either in Canadian citizen or has another reason why is coming in
That has been the case since March. Hotel will come into play at some point in the coming weeks.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: myi on January 30, 2021, 10:56:19 PM
That has been the case since March. Hotel will come into play at some point in the coming weeks.
   So if I take a flight this week or sometime next week I'll be able to bypass the hotel restrictions and the covid test upon arriving?

 Want to pick up a vehicle from Toronto and bring back.
 Would stay for a day or two.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 30, 2021, 11:02:01 PM
   So if I take a flight this week or sometime next week I'll be able to bypass the hotel restrictions and the covid test upon arriving?

 Want to pick up a vehicle from Toronto and bring back.
 Would stay for a day or two.
Why don't you read your message again and see how difficult it would be for somebody to decipher what you mean?

The Federal Covid testing upon landing and hotel isolation in Canada will start at undetermined point 'in the coming weeks'. I'd guess it will happen in around 10 days as the hotels have a strong incentive to get this going.

From Monday, Ontario Province is mandating tests for those landing in YYZ - https://www.torontopearson.com/en/healthy-airport/covid-19-testing-at-toronto-pearson. They are also 'exploring additional testing measures at Pearson International Airport and land border crossings in the coming weeks'


Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on January 30, 2021, 11:29:53 PM
Perhaps fly to a neighboring city in US
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: myi on January 31, 2021, 12:31:29 AM
Perhaps fly to a neighboring city in US
And then rent a car one way into the us? Hitch a ride?

 Want to bring a car back from Toronto. So need to take a flight in.

 Would technically see if I can find someone to bring it for me that's looking to go across via the land border, but I want to import it to use in the US and will make it quite complicated with all the paperwork.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: myi on January 31, 2021, 12:34:09 AM
Why don't you read your message again and see how difficult it would be for somebody to decipher what you mean?

The Federal Covid testing upon landing and hotel isolation in Canada will start at undetermined point 'in the coming weeks'. I'd guess it will happen in around 10 days as the hotels have a strong incentive to get this going.

From Monday, Ontario Province is mandating tests for those landing in YYZ - https://www.torontopearson.com/en/healthy-airport/covid-19-testing-at-toronto-pearson. They are also 'exploring additional testing measures at Pearson International Airport and land border crossings in the coming weeks'
Sorry for not being clear.
   Pretty much I'm uncertain when I'll be able to get away whether this week or latest by early next week.
   If I know fissure it's going to be put in place by next week I would fly out some time this week and come home a few days later, vs going for a Shabbos or whatever.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 31, 2021, 12:35:00 AM
Sorry for not being clear.
   Pretty much I'm uncertain when I'll be able to get away whether this week or latest by early next week.
   If I know fissure it's going to be put in place by next week I would fly out some time this week and come home a few days later, vs going for a Shabbos or whatever.
We can only guess.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: myi on January 31, 2021, 12:40:08 AM
We can only guess.
Indeed.
   
   Sukkos was a breeze going, seems like they're going to make it quite a trip should one want to come now.

 Let's hope by pesach beH things settle down.
   Even though I hold Dual Citizenship, it would not be fun traveling with a family and needing to isolate for 3 days in a hotel.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 31, 2021, 01:08:21 AM
it would not be fun traveling with a family and needing to isolate for 3 days in a hotel.
Followed by an indefinite period of time in a 'facility' if tested positive.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: myi on January 31, 2021, 01:13:00 AM
Followed by an indefinite period of time in a 'facility' if tested positive.
That much, I hope won't happen.
 Being that we all had covid back pesach time last year, and had or hope to still have anti bodies.

   We gotta daven and hope for the best outcome.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: zh cohen on January 31, 2021, 01:14:43 AM
That's crazy. For all we know they're going to lose money even after charging $2k+...

Why are they using hotels that charge $700+ a night?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 31, 2021, 01:17:31 AM
Why are they using hotels that charge $700+ a night?
Follow the rest of his rhetoric would suggest Trudeau just put that number out there to dissuade people from traveling.

The $2000 price tag likely includes the test and hypothetical sequencing if positive.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: chff on January 31, 2021, 01:36:33 AM
Why are they using hotels that charge $700+ a night?
Cuz the travelers are demanding they be locked up in the Ritz with a hot tub
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: AsherO on January 31, 2021, 08:18:24 AM
The $2000 price tag likely includes the test and hypothetical sequencing if positive.

Of what value is sequencing if theyíre going to be highly quarantined regardless?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 31, 2021, 09:43:40 AM
Of what value is sequencing if theyíre going to be highly quarantined regardless?
Deciding future policy and precautionary measures taken with their contacts such as the rest of the passengers on the plane
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: aygart on January 31, 2021, 10:34:25 AM
Cuz the travelers are demanding they be locked up in the Ritz with a hot tub
So give a choice
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: AsherO on January 31, 2021, 10:34:45 AM
Deciding future policy and precautionary measures taken with their contacts such as the rest of the passengers on the plane

Good point. Idk how I missed the obvious fact that if someone tests positive upon arrival it means their entire flight was exposed.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 31, 2021, 11:08:25 AM
So give a choice
Trudeu implied passengers will have a choice 'quarantine in a hotel approved by Health Canada',

Worth noting CA$2000 is US$1500
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: myi on January 31, 2021, 01:21:14 PM
Trudeu implied passengers will have a choice 'quarantine in a hotel approved by Health Canada',

Worth noting CA$2000 is US$1500
Wow $500 buck savings! 🙈
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: aygart on January 31, 2021, 01:27:14 PM
Trudeu implied passengers will have a choice 'quarantine in a hotel approved by Health Canada',

Worth noting CA$2000 is US$1500
I am well aware. My wife is from Canada.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 01, 2021, 02:45:13 PM
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: myi on February 04, 2021, 01:20:40 PM
If flying is not an option, maybe a one way rental car from NY to Toronto?
  Make sense? Or the pricing would be a retarded amount?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on February 04, 2021, 01:37:56 PM
If flying is not an option, maybe a one way rental car from NY to Toronto?
  Make sense? Or the pricing would be a retarded amount?
Use a National free day. They seem to run around $80-100 these days but that's cheaper than a regular rental.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: myi on February 04, 2021, 01:39:33 PM
Use a National free day. They seem to run around $80-100 these days but that's cheaper than a regular rental.
Cool, great idea.
 I think I'm going to do that.
  Assuming that would work for a cross border drive one way?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on February 04, 2021, 01:40:35 PM
Cool, great idea.
 I think I'm going to do that.
  Assuming that would work for a cross border drive one way?

Yup. Used one for a family member 2 weeks ago.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: myi on February 04, 2021, 01:44:44 PM
Yup. Used one for a family member 2 weeks ago.
Hertz and national free day vouchers would all do the same job?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on February 04, 2021, 01:50:55 PM
Hertz and national free day vouchers would all do the same job?
I've never used Hertz for one-way. I've done National a couple of times and never had any trouble.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on February 04, 2021, 01:52:20 PM
I've never used Hertz for one-way. I've done National a couple of times and never had any trouble.
As long as it's bookable. At one appointed time the system wasn't excepting reservations from Canada to USA.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: myi on February 04, 2021, 01:58:56 PM
As long as it's bookable. At one appointed time the system wasn't excepting reservations from Canada to USA.
I need the other way around.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on February 04, 2021, 02:01:22 PM
I need the other way around.
Yup. AFAIK only Canada to USA wasn't showing up for bookings. Never heard of issues going the other way, and like I said I booked one 2 weeks ago.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on February 09, 2021, 02:23:54 PM
Negative PCR test required at land borders (entering canada) for Ages 5 and up Effective Feb 15 2021
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Dan on February 09, 2021, 02:25:00 PM
When does hotel quarantine start?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 09, 2021, 02:25:21 PM
When does hotel quarantine start?
Believe they didn't announce a date yet.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: myi on February 09, 2021, 02:32:47 PM
Negative PCR test required at land borders (entering canada) for Ages 5 and up Effective Feb 15 2021
Needed to be taken at the border? Or before hand?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on February 09, 2021, 02:39:31 PM
Needed to be taken at the border? Or before hand?
Before within 72 hours of scheduled arrival
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Dan on February 09, 2021, 02:40:37 PM
Negative PCR test required at land borders (entering canada) for Ages 5 and up Effective Feb 15 2021
Where do you see it's only for 5 and up?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on February 09, 2021, 02:59:46 PM
Where do you see it's only for 5 and up?
Comes from air travel:

https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/travel-restrictions/flying/covid-19-testing-travellers-coming-into-canada
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All air travellers 5 years of age or older, regardless of citizenship, must provide proof of a negative laboratory test result for COVID-19 to the airline before boarding international flights to Canada. You donít require a test to fly within Canada.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Dan on February 09, 2021, 03:35:26 PM
Comes from air travel:

https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/travel-restrictions/flying/covid-19-testing-travellers-coming-into-canada
Who said it will be the same?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Mootkim on February 09, 2021, 03:39:14 PM
Who said it will be the same?
Was slightly implied from trudeau's statement when he ended off by saying "just like air travel"
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on February 09, 2021, 03:40:21 PM
Who said it will be the same?
I said it, let's wait for the official decree to be released
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Ploni3 on February 09, 2021, 05:13:23 PM
When does hotel quarantine start?
Nothing official yet - but tenders for hotels to participate in the program end tomorrow and with the land border rules coming effect Feb 15 and Air Canada announcing today a whole slew of cross border route cuts starting Feb 16 and 17, around  that day is my best guess.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on February 09, 2021, 06:39:33 PM
Apparently more than 5,000 people already "lodged" at these "hotels"
https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5900876?__vfz=medium%3Dsharebar&fbclid=IwAR03f1oyBCKCXqYFRkLTEil_o5q8OfSNTb7ywucUxj276bkXrQiOamTOpcc&__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on February 12, 2021, 01:21:30 PM
CBC: Hotel quarantine measures for air travellers come into effect Feb. 22: Trudeau (https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/travel-restictions-border-1.5911845)
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on February 12, 2021, 01:22:49 PM
Also in that CBC article, a number of changes at land borders. Interesting that they'll also accept a positive test from 14-90 days prior to arrival. Not sure why they there's any difference between land and air with regard to people who had COVID-19 already, or where the 90 days comes from...

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Earlier this week, the prime minister announced that as of Feb. 15, non-essential travellers entering Canada through the land border will soon need to provide proof of a negative COVID-19 test within 72 hours of arriving. Essential workers, such as truckers, emergency service providers, and those in cross-border communities, will be exempt from this requirement.

On Friday, officials clarified that land travellers can also provide proof of a positive test taken 14 to 90 days prior to arrival.

Starting Feb. 22, travellers entering Canada at the land border will also be equired to take a COVID-19 molecular test on arrival as well as toward the end of their 14-day quarantine.

Trudeau has said officers can't legally deny entry to Canadians, but those who show up without proof of a test could face fines of up to $3,000.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on February 12, 2021, 01:30:42 PM
Also in that CBC article, a number of changes at land borders. Interesting that they'll also accept a positive test from 14-90 days prior to arrival. Not sure why they there's any difference between land and air with regard to people who had COVID-19 already, or where the 90 days comes from...

So that means land border entrants take a total of 3 tests ?
1. 72 hours before arrival
2. Upon arrival
3. after 14 days

??

And also any clarity on age?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on February 12, 2021, 01:33:40 PM
So that means land border entrants take a total of 3 tests ?
1. 72 hours before arrival
2. Upon arrival
3. after 14 days

??

And also any clarity on age?

no longer a question. 100% confirmed by Bill Blair
3 tests required

He also says everyone MUST use the arrive can app, I wonder what that means for ppl with no smartphones or internet
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Dan on February 12, 2021, 01:35:44 PM
Also in that CBC article, a number of changes at land borders. Interesting that they'll also accept a positive test from 14-90 days prior to arrival.
Posted this on DD on Tuesday. Applies by land or air.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on February 12, 2021, 01:36:56 PM
So that means land border entrants take a total of 3 tests ?
1. 72 hours before arrival
2. Upon arrival
3. after 14 days

??
Seems that way. I think we'd be better off if our PM would put some brains and money towards not being 46th in the world in terms of vaccination as opposed to figuring out how many times we can possibly test travelers (who account for 1.5% of all COVID cases). It seems like 90% of his COVID response is focused on 1.5% of the cases, though I suppose one could argue that these tougher restrictions prevent a much greater number of cases. Regardless, he should get his act together with vaccines too.

And also any clarity on age?
I thought I saw 5 and up on the government's page a few days ago but I could be mistaken.

Posted this on DD on Tuesday. Applies by land or air.
Sorry, missed that.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 12, 2021, 01:39:35 PM
What happens to somebody who tests positive at a land border? Presumably they'd be home/otw by the time the border test has results.

Previously land borders allowed positive Canadians into home isolation.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on February 12, 2021, 01:40:12 PM
Basically:

95% of people entering our land borders will be EXEMPT from providing any sort of #COVID19 test result, and will be EXEMPT from any quarantine or isolation measures

The remaining 5% will have to:
1. Provide a negative test result samples within 72 hours of arrival
2. A 2nd test to be taken at the point of entry
3. A 3rd test to be taken at the end of the 14 day quarantine

How does that make sense?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 12, 2021, 01:41:18 PM
95% of people entering our land borders will be EXEMPT from providing any sort of #COVID19 test result, and will be EXEMPT from any quarantine or isolation measures
What?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on February 12, 2021, 01:42:21 PM
What?
Yup, both Trudeau and Bill Blair both said that 95% of traffic is essential and are exempt
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on February 12, 2021, 01:42:43 PM
Official new releases on today's announcements:

Government of Canada expands restrictions to international travel by land and air (https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/news/2021/02/government-of-canada-expands-restrictions-to-international-travel-by-land-and-air.html)

Additional testing and more stringent quarantine requirements for travel to Canada (https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/news/2021/02/additional-testing-and-more-stringent-quarantine-requirements-for-travel-to-canada.html)
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on February 12, 2021, 01:43:39 PM
What?
Yes, think truck drivers. They constitute the vast majority of people crossing these days.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on February 12, 2021, 01:44:22 PM
Yes, think truck drivers. They constitute the vast majority of people crossing these days.
Maybe that's why cases went up  ;)
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 12, 2021, 01:46:21 PM
Yes, think truck drivers. They constitute the vast majority of people crossing these days.
They should get them all vaccinated at least.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on February 12, 2021, 01:49:27 PM
They should get them all vaccinated at least.
With Trudeau's imaginary vaccines?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on February 12, 2021, 01:50:39 PM
02/12/2021 I predict coming next: Many land borders will be closed for non-commercial travelers, travelers will be concentrated at a few major border crossings, with possible hotel set ups
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on February 12, 2021, 02:02:28 PM
In other news word is that the quebec health system is no longer giving you test results only verbally telling you yay/nay so that you cannot use their tests for travel
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 12, 2021, 02:03:27 PM
In other news word is that the quebec health system is no longer giving you test results only verbally telling you yay/nay so that you cannot use their tests for travel
In Ontario public health facilities don't allow testing for travel
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Dan on February 12, 2021, 02:12:00 PM
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/coronavirus/canada-will-require-mandatory-hotel-quarantine-upon-return-abroad/#comment-1517817
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on February 12, 2021, 02:12:24 PM
In Ontario public health facilities don't allow testing for travel
So people just go and say "I have a headache" or "I was exposed to someone who had COVID" and get a test. That's what Quebec is trying to prevent.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on February 12, 2021, 02:13:05 PM
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/coronavirus/canada-will-require-mandatory-hotel-quarantine-upon-return-abroad/#comment-1517817
ALOL
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 12, 2021, 02:17:05 PM
So people just go and say "I have a headache" or "I was exposed to someone who had COVID" and get a test. That's what Quebec is trying to prevent.
I understand, I'm pointing out the sentiment is shared.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 12, 2021, 02:21:00 PM
For those mocking Canada: Ontario is down to under 1000/cases day (14m residents), which is much lower than anywhere in the US, and INNM Europe as well.

Schools in most of ON reopened Feb 8 and will open Feb 16 in Toronto.

80%+ of the population supports most of these government restrictions.

Yes, Canada failed miserably on vaccines, but strict border measures are very reasonable to prevent it from coming back into the community and allowing schools and businesses to stay open. It is in the best interest of the vast majority of the population other than a few travelers.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: lafindumonde on February 12, 2021, 02:40:32 PM
For those mocking Canada: Ontario is down to under 1000/cases day (14m residents), which is much lower than anywhere in the US, and INNM Europe as well.

Schools in most of ON reopened Feb 8 and will open Feb 16 in Toronto.

80%+ of the population supports most of these government restrictions.

Yes, Canada failed miserably on vaccines, but strict border measures are very reasonable to prevent it from coming back into the community and allowing schools and businesses to stay open. It is in the best interest of the vast majority of the population other than a few travelers.

But the fact is that, travel has resulted in only approx. 1% of the cases. Families live on both sides of the border.  These measures affect more than leisure travelers.  And if you have to get tested to board the plane and again when you get off then what is the purpose of forcing someone to pay $2000 for a hotel when they can quarantine at home.  It's purely political and it's punitive because it doesn't cost anywhere near $2000.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on February 12, 2021, 02:43:03 PM
But the fact is that, travel has resulted in only approx. 1% of the cases.
...one could argue that these tougher restrictions prevent a much greater number of cases.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 12, 2021, 02:44:41 PM
And if you have to get tested to board the plane and again when you get off then what is the purpose of forcing someone to pay $2000 for a hotel when they can quarantine at home.
Because they don't quarantine at home, and the government doesn't have the guts to enforce it.

But the fact is that, travel has resulted in only approx. 1% of the cases.
Yeah but 100% of cases were caused by travel...
How do you know how much of current cases are caused by recent travel?
Ontario is doing very well now and there is no reason to risk it for the benefit of a few travelers. Of course it is a 'political action', but it is a very fair and reasonable one. People in NZ are much happier than people in the USA right now.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on February 12, 2021, 02:46:23 PM
I wonder who'll be fined if minor children present without tests
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on February 12, 2021, 02:48:11 PM
I wonder who'll be fined if minor children present without tests
Presumably the parent bringing them in (if anyone), no? Is there another option?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Lurker on February 12, 2021, 02:48:58 PM
It's purely political and it's punitive because it doesn't cost anywhere near $2000.

It's also preventative. Most people think more than twice at being stuck in a hotel and being on the hook for that bill. I think that's the main point.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on February 12, 2021, 02:54:40 PM
It's mainly preventative. Most people think more than twice at being stuck in a hotel and being on the hook for that bill. I think that's the main point.
FTFY
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on February 12, 2021, 03:04:54 PM
Care to explain why people who presumably quarantine at home are required to supply (two) negative tests and still have to quarantine while those who definitely will not quarantine (essential travelers) don't have to supply a test at all?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Lurker on February 12, 2021, 03:09:22 PM
Care to explain why people who presumably quarantine at home are required to supply (two) negative tests and still have to quarantine while those who definitely will not quarantine (essential travelers) don't have to supply a test at all?

Without defending the policy, I think you answered your own question. Exceptions are made when something is deemed important enough. By virtue of being "essential," they get treated differently.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on February 12, 2021, 03:15:28 PM

Without defending the policy, I think you answered your own question. Exceptions are made when something is deemed important enough. By virtue of being "essential," they get treated differently.
How does it make sense "epidemiologically" if these people have to be going around within the community they should be the first to be tested, their essential nature makes them an even greater risk of spreading the disease compared to those who'll quarantine
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Lurker on February 12, 2021, 03:26:52 PM
How does it make sense "epidemiologically" if these people have to be going around within the community they should be the first to be tested, their essential nature makes them an even greater risk of spreading the disease compared to those who'll quarantine

Epidemiologically, the term "essential traveler" doesn't exist. They aren't essential on an epidemiological level. Again, I'm not defending the policy. By making exceptions to address other concerns, there are bound to be inconsistencies in how policy is enforced.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 12, 2021, 03:40:18 PM
Care to explain why people who presumably quarantine at home are required to supply (two) negative tests and still have to quarantine while those who definitely will not quarantine (essential travelers) don't have to supply a test at all?
The government decided the burden on society is greater by constraining truck drivers than it is by leisure passengers. 

Not saying I agree or not, but the government was fairly elected to make these kinds of judgment calls. It reflects the wishes of the majority of the country.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on February 12, 2021, 03:53:18 PM
You all get me wrong, I understand the points you're trying to make, goods have to flow and some industries don't have the leisure to quarantine staff, having said that, testing is only there to prevent the spread, if you don't test 95% of entrants who will by the way not quarantine either how do you effectively control the spread by testing 5% who are quarantined anyways?

If you believe someone testing positive is a threat you have no choice but to isolate that person regardless of their "essentiallity", presidents and prime ministers can quarantine why can't they?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: lafindumonde on February 12, 2021, 04:06:58 PM
You all get me wrong, I understand the points you're trying to make, goods have to flow and some industries don't have the leisure to quarantine staff, having said that, testing is only there to prevent the spread, if you don't test 95% of entrants who will by the way not quarantine either how do you effectively control the spread by testing 5% who are quarantined anyways?

If you believe someone testing positive is a threat you have no choice but to isolate that person regardless of their "essentiallity", presidents and prime ministers can quarantine why can't they?

You make a lot of sense.  And despite the many Charter violations, no Canadian court would have the guts to stand up to the government. No one is questioning the quarantine or the testing requirements.  It is forcing people to pay $2k for a so called hotel stay.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 12, 2021, 04:11:53 PM
You all get me wrong, I understand the points you're trying to make, goods have to flow and some industries don't have the leisure to quarantine staff, having said that, testing is only there to prevent the spread, if you don't test 95% of entrants who will by the way not quarantine either how do you effectively control the spread by testing 5% who are quarantined anyways?

If you believe someone testing positive is a threat you have no choice but to isolate that person regardless of their "essentiallity", presidents and prime ministers can quarantine why can't they?
5% is better than 0%. As to the other 95%, the assumption is made if testing or quarantine are mandated there will be a shortage of drivers and goods. Thatís why I suggesting vaccinating a few drivers so you solve that problem. And yes, I agree you can probably mandate testing and still have enough truck drivers.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 12, 2021, 04:13:17 PM
You make a lot of sense.  And despite the many Charter violations, no Canadian court would have the guts to stand up to the government. No one is questioning the quarantine or the testing requirements.  It is forcing people to pay $2k for a so called hotel stay.
So youíre OK with the quarantine but not OK with a hotel supervised quarantine? Do you not know many people disobey the home quarantine?
Plenty of countries mandate hotel quarantine; Israel, Australia, New Zealand, UK, Singapore, Hk, Thailand, and Iím sure others
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: lafindumonde on February 12, 2021, 04:39:54 PM
So youíre OK with the quarantine but not OK with a hotel supervised quarantine? Do you not know many people disobey the home quarantine?

The 14 day quarantine was put in place before proof of a negative test was required.  Fine.  But now, they have moved the goalposts and require you to provide not 1, not 2, but 3 tests AND still quarantine for 14 days.  It's strictly punitive.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Moshe123 on February 12, 2021, 04:45:41 PM
Maybe essential travel for commerce should only be for bread and water?

You get my drift. Every decision is political. Affects shuls, weddings, commerce, etc.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: lafindumonde on February 12, 2021, 04:49:46 PM
Maybe essential travel for commerce should only be for bread and water?

You get my drift. Every decision is political. Affects shuls, weddings, commerce, etc.

Correct. Trudeau cannot prevent Canadians from entering the country, so he is getting around it by adding a $2000 tax.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 12, 2021, 05:02:39 PM
Maybe essential travel for commerce should only be for bread and water?

You get my drift. Every decision is political. Affects shuls, weddings, commerce, etc.
Of course, but thatís exactly what politics is for.
The majority of the population appoint representatives to make judgement calls.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: aygart on February 13, 2021, 10:58:22 PM
It reflects the wishes of the majority of the country.
THis is a regular fallacy of yours. Just because a politician was elected doesn't come anywhere close to meaning that the policies implemented reflect the wishes of the majority of the country. Maybe SOME reflect that, but even that isn't so clear especially in a parliamentary system where his party won less than 35% of the vote. There can be many other reasons someone would be elected. To say that because someone was elected means that their policies on a pandemic that nobody even thought about at the time of their election are the wishes of the majority of the country is simply ridiculous! Do you consider Trump's policies to have been reflecting the will of the majority of the country?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 13, 2021, 11:08:55 PM
Do you consider Trump's policies to have been reflecting the will of the majority of the country?
In a way, albeit he was never elected by a majority of the country. It reflects the will of the majority of the states, not a majority of the people in the country.

THis is a regular fallacy of yours. Just because a politician was elected doesn't come anywhere close to meaning that the policies implemented reflect the wishes of the majority of the country.

The wish of the majority of the country is that he will make the decisions, even if they don't agree with each decision, and separately, the majority of the country respect that authority to make decisions (many frum Jews don't, rightfully so insofar as it infringes on our beliefs). That's true whether he got 35%, 51% or 99%.

Prove me wrong.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: aygart on February 13, 2021, 11:41:31 PM
The wish of the majority of the country is that he will make the decisions, even if they don't agree with each decision, and separately, the majority of the country respect that authority to make decisions (many frum Jews don't, rightfully so insofar as it infringes on our beliefs). That's true whether he got 35%, 51% or 99%.

Prove me wrong.
In a way, albeit he was never elected by a majority of the country. It reflects the will of the majority of the states, not a majority of the people in the country.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 14, 2021, 04:46:51 AM

In a parliamentary system; 35% appoint their representatives and empower them to seat a government, so the government is representitive if a majority of the country. In the US system, the majority never voted or empowered anybody to appoint DJT, at best you can say 200 years ago their ancestors gave away their right to self determine in favor of giving other states an equal power. As it stands, DJT was never appointed or voted for by a majority of the people in the USA. (Not saying it isnít fair)

I have no issue saying DJT policies represent the wishes of the majority of Texas residents, if you want to hear it, and it would be representative of the wishes of the whole country if a few more people voted for him.

As an aside, according to the Torah, 35% is a majority if it is the largest group just like 51% is, so even 35% would be the wishes of the majority if the disagreeing parties are multiple and smaller (this is seen in the Gemara which says כדבר פשוט that אחרי רבים להטות would tell you an unidentified body comes from the largest nearby city when there are multiple cities in equal distance, even if the largest city doesnít comprise 51% of all the residents)
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on February 14, 2021, 03:24:32 PM
I'm currently in quarantine in Toronto and just had a Garda security guard show up at my door to check that I was here.

Anecdotally from my own experience and from friends it definitely seems like enforcement is stronger now that they've got these private companies on it. They also used to call before they came (that's canadian manners for you) but they now show up unannounced.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Thingywingy on February 14, 2021, 06:11:41 PM
What is required for air travel from Canada to US and return before the 22nd for a dual citizen? Does the US require a negative test? Does vaccination suffice? What about on return? Thanks.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 14, 2021, 06:56:18 PM
What is required for air travel from Canada to US and return before the 22nd for a dual citizen? Does the US require a negative test? Does vaccination suffice? What about on return? Thanks.
I believe test on both sides regardless of vaccination. Quarantine as well.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Moshke on February 14, 2021, 08:35:09 PM
What is required for air travel from Canada to US and return before the 22nd for a dual citizen? Does the US require a negative test? Does vaccination suffice? What about on return? Thanks.
Entering USA from Canada requires a rapid test.
USA to Canada requiring a PCR test.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on February 14, 2021, 08:51:18 PM
It really is a maze, but maybe this will be helpful...

(https://i.postimg.cc/d3PRNznB/Screenshot-20210214-204858-One-Drive.jpg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/15ScG18R/Screenshot-20210214-204835-One-Drive.jpg)

Sources:

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/2019-novel-coronavirus-infection/awareness-resources/entering-canada-covid-19.html

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/2019-novel-coronavirus-infection/awareness-resources/entering-canada-covid-19-land.html
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Lurker on February 14, 2021, 08:55:37 PM
It really is a maze, but maybe this will be helpful...

Someone needs to make a Chutes and Ladders game out of this.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on February 14, 2021, 09:05:14 PM
Someone needs to make a Chutes and Ladders game out of this.
It seems the government is getting better and better at it, before you know they'll outsell hasbro!
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on February 15, 2021, 08:28:43 AM
Beware, if you're heading to the U.S. For a short ~48hr trip you cannot use your #Canada test results (taken within 72hrs) as proof of negative test when returning. Epidemiology knows no common sense.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: how on February 15, 2021, 11:33:42 AM
Beware, if you're heading to the U.S. For a short ~48hr trip you cannot use your #Canada test results (taken within 72hrs) as proof of negative test when returning. Epidemiology knows no common sense.
You have a source?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on February 15, 2021, 12:59:13 PM
You have a source?
Someone I know was told so this morning at lacolle

Also see: https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/news/2021/02/government-of-canada-expands-restrictions-to-international-travel-by-land-and-air.html

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For travellers arriving to Canada by land, as of February 15, 2021, all travellers, with some exceptions, will be required to provide proof of a negative COVID-19 molecular test result taken in the United States within 72 hours of pre-arrival, or a positive test taken 14 to 90 days prior to arrival. In addition, as of February 22, 2021, travellers entering Canada at the land border will be required to take a COVID-19 molecular test on arrival as well as toward the end of their 14-day quarantine.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on February 15, 2021, 01:10:11 PM
Today at lacolle border:


(https://i.imgur.com/L58aGWH.jpg)
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: how on February 15, 2021, 01:29:14 PM
Today at lacolle border:

  • Group sent back because they only had a Canadian test (within 72 hours)
  • Person sent back because his test was 76 hours old
  • Person was sent aside because they questioned the validity of the test, person still waiting since 6:00am

(https://i.imgur.com/L58aGWH.jpg)
thank you
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on February 15, 2021, 02:26:06 PM
Developing story:

Two people are now at the border, they received their test results of a test taken yesterday 2 hours after they arrived to the crossing, border is telling them the test is false, they said call the lab, verify it whichever way you want they refused, they want to quarantine them now at a facility.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: AsherO on February 15, 2021, 02:29:38 PM
Developing story:

Two people are now at the border, they received their test results of a test taken yesterday 2 hours after they arrived to the crossing, border is telling them the test is false, they said call the lab, verify it whichever way you want they refused, they want to quarantine them now at a facility.

The border agents are assuming the test is false because of time timing of receiving the results?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on February 15, 2021, 02:30:42 PM
The border agents are assuming the test is false because of time timing of receiving the results?
AFAIK they didn't tell them why they question the validity, they came in with a Canadian test which was within 72 hours and immediately told them they're awaiting results from a US test as well
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on February 15, 2021, 03:17:15 PM
Developing story:

Two people are now at the border, they received their test results of a test taken yesterday 2 hours after they arrived to the crossing, border is telling them the test is false, they said call the lab, verify it whichever way you want they refused, they want to quarantine them now at a facility.
Released
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on February 15, 2021, 07:43:30 PM
Released
BH!
Any more details?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: KSMH on February 16, 2021, 01:10:59 AM
BH!
Any more details?
BH!
Any more details?

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Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on February 17, 2021, 05:25:28 PM
https://vocaroo.com/15hKgklTNDsq
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: KSMH on February 17, 2021, 05:39:48 PM
https://vocaroo.com/15hKgklTNDsq

I think Canadians shall come to LGA to practice.

LGA National Guard: Do u have a health form (from czar Cuomo)?
Pax: Have a good day and walks away.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on February 17, 2021, 05:47:04 PM
https://vocaroo.com/15hKgklTNDsq
English summary?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Moshe123 on February 17, 2021, 07:48:28 PM
Crazy. Not proud to be a Canadian now. Would love for my parents to be able to come to my simcha, but can't happen with this craziness going on.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Ergel on February 18, 2021, 09:14:46 AM
Crazy. Not proud to be a Canadian now. Would love for my parents to be able to come to my simcha, but can't happen with this craziness going on.
Isn't that the point of this policy?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Moshe123 on February 18, 2021, 05:48:43 PM
Isn't that the point of this policy?

Of course. It's part of the stupidity. They have antibodies and it's still stupid to subject people that have recovered to the same restrictions.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on February 18, 2021, 06:01:06 PM
I find it interesting that the government has not opened any sort of booking portal and hotel quarantines are supposed to start in just over 72 hours. I would think the hotels need to know how many guests to expect. Wondering if they're not going to manage to get this up and running in time...

The government's application for hotels (https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/2019-novel-coronavirus-infection/latest-travel-health-advice/mandatory-hotel-stay-air-travellers/apply-listed-hotel.html) seemed to say that they were going to have some sort of portal for travelers to book rooms for their stays:

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4. Basic infrastructure/functional requirements:
  • Online registration, check-in and check-out procedures
  • Note: Travellers will be required to use a 3rd party centralized booking system to reserve and pre-pay their hotel stay
  • Able to load proposed rate for this initiative in the Apollo Global Distribution System (GDS) with a unique rate code. Alternatively, if the property is not on the Apollo GDS, it must be able to provide a unique rate code in order for the identified travel management company to book the rate.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 18, 2021, 06:03:21 PM
Isn't that the point of this policy?
ואת דתי המלך אינם עושים...
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: AsherO on February 18, 2021, 06:29:10 PM
ואת דתי המלך אינם עושים...

Just donít continue with the next verse rĒl
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: mordechain on February 18, 2021, 08:27:20 PM
Most folks here don't realize that the attitude of about 90% of the Canadian public is that lockdowns are the greatest health gift since antibiotics.
The mayor of Toronto is pleading with the premier of Ontario not to end the lockdown for at least another 2 or 3 weeks. The premier, who is willing to "open up" regular stores for curbside pickup is being slammed by the opposition for his "recklessness".

In the eyes of the Canadian public, if you travel now during the "pandemic" you are simply not a decent human being. Period.

Noone will have any rachmanus.

It behooves us to think of how it looks, when at the border in lacolle or Niagara, the percentage of non commercial travelers that are obviously משלנו is out of all proportion by orders of magnitude to our population. Add to that the numbers of us with some interesting reasons to be "essential" and our image problem is only compounded.

It's easy to say the Canadian government is "crazy". They're actually reflective of a population that is terrified. Us acting like we think it's a joke makes us look like jerks.

Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 18, 2021, 08:28:49 PM
Most folks here don't realize that the attitude of about 90% of the Canadian public is that lockdowns are the greatest health gift since antibiotics.
The mayor of Toronto is pleading with the premier of Ontario not to end the lockdown for at least another 2 or 3 weeks. The premier, who is willing to "open up" regular stores for curbside pickup is being slammed by the opposition for his "recklessness".

In the eyes of the Canadian public, if you travel now during the "pandemic" you are simply not a decent human being. Period.

Noone will have any rachmanus.

It behooves us to think of how it looks, when at the border in lacolle or Niagara, the percentage of non commercial travelers that are obviously משלנו is out of all proportion by orders of magnitude to our population. Add to that the numbers of us with some interesting reasons to be "essential" and our image problem is only compounded.

It's easy to say the Canadian government is "crazy". They're actually reflective of a population that is terrified. Us acting like we think it's a joke makes us look like jerks.

Every word.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: AsherO on February 18, 2021, 08:47:56 PM
It's easy to say the Canadian government is "crazy". They're actually reflective of a population that is terrified. Us acting like we think it's a joke makes us look like jerks.

They have a fraction of the COVID deaths (per capita) that the US has. What you call terrified pays off.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Lurker on February 18, 2021, 08:52:58 PM
They have a fraction of the COVID deaths (per capita) that the US has. What you call terrified pays off.

It comes down to cost effectiveness. Virtually anything can be achieved if you are willing to pay the right price. Many "mishelanu" don't believe the price is right, for whatever reasons.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Moshe123 on February 18, 2021, 11:06:42 PM
The Quebec government that passed the curfew, is the same government that passed a ban on government workers wearing a yarmulke. Sorry, I don't care what they think.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: mordechain on February 18, 2021, 11:11:49 PM
And therein lies our problem. When we don't care what the populace thinks of us, we're only asking for trouble.

BTW, the yarmulke ban wasn't targeted at us. It was the hijab that irked them. And FTR, just so that noone could say they were racist, they included crucifixes as well.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 18, 2021, 11:18:29 PM
The Quebec government that passed the curfew, is the same government that passed a ban on government workers wearing a yarmulke. Sorry, I don't care what they think.

This isn't about the government. He claimed 90% of the public wants certain measures. Do you dispute the fact that most of the Quebec people want these restrictions, or do you also not care what they think?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on February 18, 2021, 11:23:26 PM
He claimed 90% of the public wants certain measures.
While certain things are understandable I highly doubt 90% of canadians (or more specifically quebecers) would agree to everything. Imagine having to sneak out of your house to visit ones relative because it's "after 8"..
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: mordechain on February 18, 2021, 11:25:17 PM
https://beta.ctvnews.ca/local/montreal/2021/1/19/1_5272915.html

You were right...support for the curfew is only at 81 percent....
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 18, 2021, 11:28:15 PM
While certain things are understandable I highly doubt 90% of canadians (or more specifically quebecers) would agree to everything. Imagine having to sneak out of your house to visit ones relative because it's "after 8"..
That's your opinion. The vast majority of people in Quebec do not want anybody to be able to visit relatives. Why is it so difficult to comprehend that people actually see things differently than you?

@Moshe123 has a different opinion. He genuinely doesn't care. He doesn't think there is any reason to take our neighbors wishes into account and doesn't think we should concern ourselves with how our actions will make our neighbors feel. Antisemitism is inherent and from Hashem and nothing we do will change anything.

As he so disturbingly put it:

Aiva lol isn't one of the aseres hadibros.

Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on February 18, 2021, 11:37:28 PM
That's your opinion. The vast majority of people in Quebec do not want anybody to be able to visit relatives. Why is it so difficult to comprehend that people actually see things differently than you?
While that's obviously my personal opinion, how can you be so certain that the "vast majority" would disagree?
It's not the comprehension that people defer, rather the understanding of the lockdown implementation that truly boggles my mind.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 18, 2021, 11:54:45 PM
how can you be so certain that the "vast majority" would disagree?
https://beta.ctvnews.ca/local/montreal/2021/1/19/1_5272915.html

You were right...support for the curfew is only at 81 percent....


Your whole issue was Ďcanít visit relative after 8pmí. THEY DONíT WANT PEOPLE VISITING RELATIVES
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on February 19, 2021, 12:01:16 AM
Based off that article (which can't be definitively an accurate source), it would seem that plenty of people don't think (again not a good data point) it's effective.
Your whole issue was Ďcanít visit relative after 8pmí. THEY DONíT WANT PEOPLE VISITING RELATIVES
Where talking about people and relatives who are together with each from 5am-7:59pm. Does Covid only spread after 8?!
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 19, 2021, 12:02:23 AM
Based off that article (which can't be definitively an accurate source),
Oh please, there are plenty more.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: aygart on February 19, 2021, 12:15:18 AM
They have a fraction of the COVID deaths (per capita) that the US has. What you call terrified pays off.
Yup and they really needed it with no hospitals or doctors in the country due to socialized medicine.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on February 19, 2021, 12:26:47 AM
Oh please, there are plenty more.
I welcome any accurate source, I don't think that's very possible with the country in such a lockdown...
I would also love to hear a reason why my visiting a friend is only a problem after 8.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on February 19, 2021, 08:11:50 AM
My 2 cents:
We all know what online polling can mean, but being on the ground my observation is that the majority (50%+) of Quebecois support the curfew, not because they don't hate it, they certainly do but because they're told that it is what we need to do to stop the spread, they're told thatif we're just gonna have a few though weeks we'll be free after.

Same with border measures.

Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: AsherO on February 19, 2021, 08:16:55 AM
Yup and they really needed it with no hospitals or doctors in the country due to socialized medicine.

That sounds a lot like: ďAs long as hospitals arenít overwhelmed (to serve the young and healthy), we donít really care about (weak/old) people dyingĒ
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on February 19, 2021, 08:39:29 AM
My 2 cents:
We all know what online polling can mean, but being on the ground my observation is that the majority (50%+) of Quebecois support the curfew, not because they don't hate it, they certainly do but because they're told that it is what we need to do to stop the spread, they're told thatif we're just gonna have a few though weeks we'll be free after.

Same with border measures.
I would say that lasted maybe for the first two weeks, by now people are realizing how crazy it is more and more.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on February 19, 2021, 08:45:21 AM
I would say that lasted maybe for the first two weeks, by now people are realizing how crazy it is more and more.

People+more and more is still not majority
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on February 19, 2021, 08:48:20 AM
People+more and more is still not majority
Again it's possible that there's a majority pro the lockdown, but I don't believe there can be an accurate way to prove that. My personal opinion is that it's not (anymore) a vast majority like the swooping 8-90% that some claim.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on February 19, 2021, 08:50:33 AM
Again it's possible that there's a majority pro the lockdown, but I don't believe there can be an accurate way to prove that. My personal opinion is that it's not (anymore) a vast majority like the swooping 8-90% that some claim.
I don't know what you have to back it up, what I see is my francophone neighbors & my francophone workmates
Plus, you see next to zero resistance or defiance
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on February 19, 2021, 08:54:28 AM
I don't know what you have to back it up, what I see is my francophone neighbors & my francophone workmates
Plus, you see next to zero resistance or defiance
Agreed. People in canada listen to their government regardless if they agree or not, perhaps that's because of the fines or maybe that's the way they are.
I don't have anyway to back it up as I don't believe there is an accurate way to prove either way.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: lafindumonde on February 19, 2021, 10:46:51 AM
I find it interesting that the government has not opened any sort of booking portal and hotel quarantines are supposed to start in just over 72 hours. I would think the hotels need to know how many guests to expect. Wondering if they're not going to manage to get this up and running in time...

The government's application for hotels (https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/2019-novel-coronavirus-infection/latest-travel-health-advice/mandatory-hotel-stay-air-travellers/apply-listed-hotel.html) seemed to say that they were going to have some sort of portal for travelers to book rooms for their stays:

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/2019-novel-coronavirus-infection/latest-travel-health-advice/mandatory-hotel-stay-air-travellers/list-government-authorized-hotels-booking.html?utm_campaign=Oktopost-AMER-CT-One+Offs&utm_content=Oktopost-twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter#a2

The booking has to be done by phone through American Express Global Business Travel, so they are getting their 10 or 20% cut. 
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on February 19, 2021, 03:52:10 PM
Latest changes at land border entries:

- no longer offering $3000 fine for citizens without a test, bring a valid test or be arrested for 14 days
- on site testing announced for 5 entry points with 10 more to follow

https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/travel-restrictions/flying/covid-19-testing-travellers-coming-into-canada#new-testing


Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: lafindumonde on February 19, 2021, 04:52:52 PM
Latest changes at land border entries:

 bring a valid test or be arrested for 14 days

https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/travel-restrictions/flying/covid-19-testing-travellers-coming-into-canada#new-testing

But you don't pay for your 14 day stay?  Do we know where they take you from the land border?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: israshot on February 19, 2021, 05:15:33 PM
But you don't pay for your 14 day stay?  Do we know where they take you from the land border?
Love your username
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Dan on February 19, 2021, 05:29:20 PM
https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/2019-novel-coronavirus-infection/latest-travel-health-advice/mandatory-hotel-stay-air-travellers/list-government-authorized-hotels-booking.html?utm_campaign=Oktopost-AMER-CT-One+Offs&utm_content=Oktopost-twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter#a2

The booking has to be done by phone through American Express Global Business Travel, so they are getting their 10 or 20% cut. 
Cost?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: mordechain on February 19, 2021, 05:42:27 PM
Lower then expected. About 330 a night
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: lafindumonde on February 19, 2021, 05:49:18 PM
Cost?

https://www.cp24.com/news/mandatory-hotel-quarantine-rates-far-lower-than-2-000-touted-by-government-1.5315922
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Ploni3 on February 20, 2021, 08:42:22 PM
The lower prices were the first rooms being reserved. We will have to see if it is on a sliding scale, like normal hotel rooms where the price goes up as occupancy increases. Also, not clear how Kosher food is dealt with...
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 21, 2021, 12:10:41 AM
Also, not clear how Kosher food is dealt with...
At least of one of the partners who own the Sheraton Gateway is frum
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 21, 2021, 12:17:27 AM
no hospitals or doctors in the country

Talk about hasty generalizations. Canadian healthcare is top 10 or 20 in the world in any way you measure it.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on February 21, 2021, 12:19:12 AM
Also, not clear how Kosher food is dealt with...
The application page for hotels said they'd have to accommodate religious restrictions. I assume they either called up a kosher caterer or they'll order kosher airline meals. TARB.

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Meals must follow Canada's food guide and take into account any traveller dietary restrictions (for example, allergies, religious and dietary needs).
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Moshke on February 21, 2021, 12:37:07 AM
The application page for hotels said they'd have to accommodate religious restrictions. I assume they either called up a kosher caterer or they'll order kosher airline meals. TARB.
2 of the listed hotels in Montreal are owned by Jew.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: aygart on February 21, 2021, 12:44:27 AM
Talk about hasty generalizations. Canadian healthcare is top 10 or 20 in the world in any way you measure it.
Ah, so you thought i really meant that there were no doctors or hospitals in Canada?

Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 21, 2021, 01:10:38 AM
Ah, so you thought i really meant that there were no doctors or hospitals in Canada?
I demonstrated how you're more than happy to make exaggerated generalizations when they fit your narrative but cry bloody murder when others do the same. Some would call it a mirror.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: aygart on February 21, 2021, 01:13:37 AM
I demonstrated how you're more than happy to make exaggerated generalizations when they fit your narrative but cry bloody murder when others do the same. Some would call it a mirror.
Well okay then
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on February 21, 2021, 01:20:07 AM
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If a Canadian citizen, person registered under the Indian Act, or permanent resident does not provide proof of a valid molecular test result, they will be directed to a federal designated quarantine facility for their full 14 day quarantine period.
Is that a different facility then the hotels? How much are they going to charge?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: how on February 21, 2021, 05:32:30 PM
Anyone have a data for Canadian traveling to the USA for less than 24 hours is a Canada PCR good enough?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: AsherO on February 21, 2021, 05:34:40 PM
Anyone have a data for Canadian traveling to the USA for less than 24 hours is a Canada PCR good enough?

Traveling from Canada to the US and back to Canada? Entry to Canada might be tricky, need to check the current rules.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on February 21, 2021, 05:37:21 PM
Traveling from Canada to the US and back to Canada? Entry to Canada might be tricky, need to check the current rules.

Current rules clearly state test must be done in the USA don't ask me why.
Several people I know were denied entry
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: how on February 21, 2021, 05:44:37 PM
Current rules clearly state test must be done in the USA don't ask me why.
Several people I know were denied entry
Yes I heard the same but someone told me today that less than 24 hours might be different just looking for DP
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on February 21, 2021, 10:42:58 PM
Current rules clearly state test must be done in the USA don't ask me why.
Several people I know were denied entry
It's quite simple, they want to know if your bringing in the virus from USA..
Yes I heard the same but someone told me today that less than 24 hours might be different just looking for DP
I don't believe that's correct.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on February 21, 2021, 10:44:38 PM
Can someone possibly explain me a logical reason why Montreal has opened the movie theaters for an occupancy of up to 250 people?!

Do 90% of citizens agree to that as well??
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: AsherO on February 21, 2021, 10:46:33 PM
Can someone possibly explain me a logical reason why Montreal has opened the movie theaters for an occupancy of up to 250 people?!

Do 90% of citizens agree to that as well??

Sounds regarded considering the rest of their restrictions, and slow vaccination pace...
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Lurker on February 21, 2021, 10:47:02 PM
Can someone possibly explain me a logical reason why Montreal has opened the movie theaters for an occupancy of up to 250 people?!

Do 90% of citizens agree to that as well??

LOL! Good luck...
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on February 21, 2021, 10:48:49 PM
Can someone possibly explain me a logical reason why Montreal has opened the movie theaters for an occupancy of up to 250 people?!

Do 90% of citizens agree to that as well??
We worship legault
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on February 21, 2021, 10:51:25 PM
Perhaps @PlatinumGuy has some sort of reasoning?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 21, 2021, 10:56:48 PM
Can someone possibly explain me a logical reason why Montreal has opened the movie theaters for an occupancy of up to 250 people?!

It's very logical based on the false assumption that covid isn't airborne, and there isn't likely to be mass droplet transmission in a theater where people are stationary and quiet more than 2m from each other.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: AsherO on February 21, 2021, 10:59:24 PM
It's very logical based on the false assumption that covid isn't airborne, and there isn't likely to be mass droplet transmission in a theater where people are stationary and quiet more than 2m from each other.

Canada is STILL making that false assumption?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on February 21, 2021, 11:01:44 PM
It's very logical based on the false assumption that covid isn't airborne, and there isn't likely to be mass droplet transmission in a theater where people are stationary and quiet more than 2m from each other.
So why not allow a silent synagogue without the 1 person limit? Does theater come before religion??
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 21, 2021, 11:03:01 PM
Canada is STILL making that false assumption?
IINM Quebec specifically has been known to be very resistant to acknowledging airborne spread.

That being said, we don't know how common airborne spread is, so they may not be that wrong, especially if they mandated good ventilation.

So why not allow a silent synagogue without the 1 person limit? Does theater come before religion??
Because distance won't be observed
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on February 21, 2021, 11:05:03 PM
Because distance won't be observed
Not anymore then a theater for collage students.
They can definitely enforce it like they've been doing all too well.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 21, 2021, 11:13:13 PM
Not anymore then a theater for collage students.
They can definitely enforce it like they've been doing all too well.
Have you ever seen a movie theater? It's dark and quiet and strangers are focusing on watching a movie. It's easy to block off seats to maintain distance and there is zero chance of large scale mingling.

Not sure where college students come into the story.

The shuls openly admit (see a few posts up) that they don't care what the people/government say, so it would take absurd resources for the government to enforce a distance requirement.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on February 21, 2021, 11:48:56 PM
Have you ever seen a movie theater? It's dark and quiet and strangers are focusing on watching a movie. It's easy to block off seats to maintain distance and there is zero chance of large scale mingling.

Not sure where college students come into the story.

The shuls openly admit (see a few posts up) that they don't care what the people/government say, so it would take absurd resources for the government to enforce a distance requirement.
While people perhaps don't speak during the movie before and after why shouldn't they? They specifically opened up the theaters and pools so kids should have what to do during their march break. They are spending their time discussing whether they should allow pop corn in the theaters!

I'm share their are plenty of shuls with theater like spacing that can and are fully willing to follow the rules albeit they can have a minyan.
Isn't there a limit on how much benefit of the doubt can be given?!
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 22, 2021, 12:43:29 AM
While people perhaps don't speak during the movie before and after why shouldn't they?
The layout isnít at all conducive for mingling...


I'm share their are plenty of shuls with theater like spacing that can and are fully willing to follow the rules albeit they can have a minyan.
And how is the government supposed to identify them?

Isn't there a limit on how much benefit of the doubt can be given?!
It isnít benefit of the doubt, there is no remote similarly between theaters and Shuls and churches unless somebody is desperate to pretend theyíre equal.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: AsherO on February 22, 2021, 08:45:58 PM
Can someone possibly explain me a logical reason why Montreal has opened the movie theaters for an occupancy of up to 250 people?!

Do 90% of citizens agree to that as well??

And now NYC is opening theaters too:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/22/world/nyc-movie-theaters-opening.html
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: lafindumonde on February 23, 2021, 10:03:36 AM
https://toronto.citynews.ca/2021/02/22/exclusive-federal-hotel-quarantine-rules-being-ignored-by-some/

Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on February 23, 2021, 10:32:29 PM
If you're a U.S. Citizen living in Canada I would like to ask you to please send something like this to your local U.S. Consulate. Feel free to post a better version

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Hi,

To whom this may concern,

I'm aware of the current travel restrictions for U.S. land borders whereas entry to the USA from Canadian and Mexican land border ports are only allowed for a narrow list of essential traveler exemptions.

In the case of geographic restriction orders from other countries such as United Kingdom, Brazil or Iran the spouses of U.S. Citizens were exempt.

As a U.S. Citizen with a non U.S. Citizen spouse the current restrictions pose a great burden and extreme difficulties pertaining to family reunification and/or when one spouse needs to travel.

As a U.S. Citizen living in Canada I hereby beg you to make our voices heard through the various departments and bureaucratic chambers so that this reasonable and vital exemption be added to the temporary travel restriction order.

I would also note that Canada in it's restriction orders for its own borders reasonably added exceptions for spouses and certain other family members, it is my hope that this can be reciprocated as soon as possible.
 
Thank you
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on February 24, 2021, 02:38:05 PM
I know this is not the place but who ever can please sign this petition. There will be a meeting at 3 aclock  between the Quebec health ministry and the shuls regarding how many may be in a shul. The more signatures the stronger we stand.

http://chng.it/QHKT5THJ6q
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on February 24, 2021, 03:12:34 PM
Figured this would get exposure here:

Anyone coming from from Lakewood or Monsey to Toronto and can bring 6 USB drives for me? TIA!
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: lafindumonde on February 26, 2021, 02:37:43 PM
More stupidity from Trudeau

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/border-ticket-tunnel-quarantine-act-1.5926311
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 27, 2021, 08:02:22 PM
More stupidity from Trudeau

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/border-ticket-tunnel-quarantine-act-1.5926311
The guy was asking for trouble

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He says he was given two options: get a test in the U.S. and return with a negative result, or quarantine in a Toronto hotel for two weeks.

"I refused because, in my mind, I'm an essential worker," he told CBC News. "I need to run my business in the United States."
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: grodnoking on February 27, 2021, 08:07:28 PM
The guy was asking for trouble
He wasn't asking for trouble. He believed he was right. When these yidden get kicked off a plane when they are wearing a mask properly and they refuse, and then they become banned for life from the airline, they are not "asking for trouble", they are protesting the wrong being done to them.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Lurker on February 27, 2021, 08:15:06 PM
He wasn't asking for trouble. He believed he was right.

ALOL!! Believing you're right and being right are not the same thing. I know cuz my wife told me.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on February 27, 2021, 10:12:16 PM
Anybody know if there is any rule about changing the place of quarantine mid stay?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 27, 2021, 10:13:22 PM
Anybody know if there is any rule about changing the place of quarantine mid stay?
There is, but I don't remember the rule.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: mordechain on February 27, 2021, 10:42:58 PM
Don't tell them at the border that you are planning that, it will cause a migraine.
Once you are already in Canada, call Public health and notify them that for whatever reason (safety etc.) You had to switch quarantine location.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on February 27, 2021, 11:09:20 PM
Don't tell them at the border that you are planning that, it will cause a migraine.
Once you are already in Canada, call Public health and notify them that for whatever reason (safety etc.) You had to switch quarantine location.
Thanks. Is there anywhere they say that can be done?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: mordechain on February 27, 2021, 11:10:51 PM
Personal experience
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on February 27, 2021, 11:12:09 PM
Personal experience
Thanks. After the new rules?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: mordechain on February 27, 2021, 11:14:31 PM
Summer
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: mordechain on February 27, 2021, 11:17:14 PM
But especially after the new rules, the basic rule of thumb at the border is to make things as uncomplicated as possible, because that's where you are most likely to have problems. Once loose in the community, the security companies, and even to a great extent the police, are not very efficient.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on February 27, 2021, 11:20:14 PM
But especially after the new rules, the basic rule of thumb at the border is to make things as uncomplicated as possible, because that's where you are most likely to have problems. Once loose in the community, the security companies, and even to a great extent the police, are not very efficient.
My understanding is they got much more strict after the recent new rules, I just want to double check and confirm they don't have a rule against switching. I'm not worried about the border.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: mordechain on February 27, 2021, 11:22:05 PM
They already made a rule against switching in August. They threatened to send my 14 year old son on his way home from camp to an isolation centre because he would need to switch. Like I said, a migraine.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on February 27, 2021, 11:31:51 PM
Thanks. Is there anywhere they say that can be done?
I just finshed a quarantine and had to change addresses. I used the 'Updating Information After Arriving in Canada' form at the bottom of this page (https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/arrivecan/contact-us.html). I got an automated email with a copy of message right away and then never heard from them. I've heard that they take forever to respond to messaged there (if ever) so idk how it works if they want to check on you...
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: israshot on February 28, 2021, 01:05:59 PM
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: stmark on March 08, 2021, 02:02:07 PM
Family of mine is thinking of visiting elderly grandparents in Toronto for pesach - driving from buffalo. (all will be vaccinated in toronto and NYers)- family traveling in will be driving through buffalo and are dual citizens. I cant seem to get a clear answer as to how quarantine works especially on yuntif with phones being off. If you know of how it works please let me know. thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on March 08, 2021, 02:05:13 PM
Family of mine is thinking of visiting elderly grandparents in Toronto for pesach - driving from buffalo. (all will be vaccinated in toronto and NYers)- family traveling in will be driving through buffalo and are dual citizens. I cant seem to get a clear answer as to how quarantine works especially on yuntif with phones being off. If you know of how it works please let me know. thanks in advance.
If they call you on yom tov you don't answer and then it's up to them to decide if they want to come check on you because you're not answering the phone. If you're keeping the quarantine then there's nothing to be afraid of- worst case scenario they knock on your door. I doubt they can prosecute you for missing their phone call.

One thing to think about is that you do have to show them ID when they come check on you.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: mordechain on March 08, 2021, 02:05:48 PM
Vaccination doesn't make any difference.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: mordechain on March 08, 2021, 02:09:45 PM
They will need to have taken a PCR(not rapid) test within 72 hours of arrival at the border.
The guards will give two more test kits to test themselves in Toronto, which they will send in.
They will have to quarantine  for two weeks.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: AsherO on March 08, 2021, 02:47:43 PM
The guards will give two more test kits to test themselves in Toronto, which they will send in.
They will have to quarantine  for two weeks.

What's the point of testing at the border if you have to quarantine anyway and have a recent negative PCR?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on March 08, 2021, 02:48:53 PM
What's the point of testing at the border if you have to quarantine anyway and have a recent negative PCR?
The tests aren't done at the border.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on March 08, 2021, 02:51:19 PM
What's the point of testing at the border if you have to quarantine anyway and have a recent negative PCR?
Intimidation
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: AsherO on March 08, 2021, 02:54:36 PM
The tests aren't done at the border.

I mean the tests given to you at the border. It's not like testing negative on those shortens the quarantine.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on March 08, 2021, 02:56:23 PM
I mean the tests given to you at the border. It's not like testing negative on those shortens the quarantine.
It's in case one tests positive..
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: AsherO on March 08, 2021, 03:29:11 PM
It's in case one tests positive..

Then what? They'll deport you? You're quarantining anyway.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on March 08, 2021, 03:31:26 PM
Then what? They'll deport you? You're supposed to be quarantining anyway.

FTFY, and I think that answers your question.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 08, 2021, 03:33:57 PM
Then what? They'll deport you? You're quarantining anyway.
A positive test forces household members to quarantine and resets the clock
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: AsherO on March 08, 2021, 03:49:56 PM
FTFY, and I think that answers your question.

Isn't Canada super strict with quarantine?

A positive test forces household members to quarantine and resets the clock

That somewhat/technically makes sense considering you might have been exposed shortly before crossing the border.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 08, 2021, 03:52:23 PM
Isn't Canada super strict with quarantine?
Halfway in between the American free-for-all and Asian hotels & bracelets - they have check-ups by private security companies and stiff fines.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: mordechain on March 08, 2021, 04:21:57 PM
https://www.policingthepandemic.ca/
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on March 08, 2021, 04:30:33 PM
Isn't Canada super strict with quarantine?
To some extent, but maybe they wanted another layer of protection against people who break the rules.

Or more likely, even if it doesn't accomplish much it makes people feel like the government is doing something...
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on March 08, 2021, 05:14:18 PM
https://www.policingthepandemic.ca/
Interesting, but sounds like it is no longer maintained
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: mordechain on March 08, 2021, 05:17:00 PM
True, but amazing how little actual enforcement there was until January. They could have quadrupeled their tickets just in one neighborhood
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: mordechain on March 08, 2021, 05:17:42 PM
And we haven't really heard of the govt picking up the pace since then.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: avadah on March 08, 2021, 05:30:43 PM
Who pays for the covid test when coming into canada? I don't have ohip.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on March 08, 2021, 05:31:35 PM
Who pays for the covid test when coming into canada? I don't have ohip.
Travelers at land borders are (as of now) not charged for the testing
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: eliteflyer on March 08, 2021, 09:56:20 PM
Family from Toronto is coming to south Florida to visit for Pesach. Grateful for any input on proposed itinerary/Covid planning, particularly contingency plans for getting from Buffalo over the border into Canada. All relevant parties have been vaccinated.

- Thursday March 18, within 72 hours of departure: Obtain negative PCR COVID test result in Toronto.
-Sunday March 21: Fly YYZ-FLL non-stop: With a negative covid test, I would not anticipate any issues for Canadian citizens at CBP in YYZ, and certainly not on arrival in FLL.

-Last day of chol-hamoed, Friday April 2: obtain negative PCR test result in Miami

-Monday April 5: Fly non-stop FLL-BUF: I do not anticipate any issues on arrival into New York

- April 5: Rent rental car at Buffalo from National. This entailed a three day minimum reservation to get a one-way car rental to YYZ and many agencies were blocking them entirely. I see National is now sold out and am concerned that the reservation may not be honored if National is sold out or decides it doesn't want to see another car disappear into Canada (with no demand for rentals in the opposite direction to bring them back to U.S.). Any first hand experience would be much appreciated.

- April 5: Cross land border into Canada, obtain 2 PCR test kits at border for immediate use and for 14 days later and quarantine at home for 14 days following arrival.

-April 19 - Take second PCR test and leave quarrantine.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: mordechain on March 08, 2021, 09:58:33 PM
Taxi from buf to Niagara falls might be more cost effective then rental if you have someone who can pick you up.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on March 08, 2021, 10:13:46 PM
- April 5: Rent rental car at Buffalo from National. This entailed a three day minimum reservation to get a one-way car rental to YYZ and many agencies were blocking them entirely. I see National is now sold out and am concerned that the reservation may not be honored if National is sold out or decides it doesn't want to see another car disappear into Canada (with no demand for rentals in the opposite direction to bring them back to U.S.). Any first hand experience would be much appreciated.

@mordechain's idea is a good backup plan if National won't give them a car (any be a better Plan A too).

You can PM me if you want a number for a guy who apparently drives people into canada for under $100. I've also heard of drivers who drive people from BUF to Toronto for ~$275, which might be cheaper than a 3-day one-way rental.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: mordechain on March 08, 2021, 10:16:00 PM
Any taxi from the airport taxi stand will drive into Canada for $85 flat fee
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on March 08, 2021, 10:22:44 PM
Any taxi from the airport taxi stand will drive into Canada for $85 flat fee
Sounds right. Finding one to drive all the way to Toronto might be more of a challenge.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: gedvoice@gmail.com on March 08, 2021, 10:44:58 PM
What's the best way to do a one way rental from NYC to Toronto? National doesn't do it now.. I tried enterprise and Hertz, couldn't get any cars for a one way..
Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on March 08, 2021, 10:47:51 PM
What's the best way to do a one way rental from NYC to Toronto? National doesn't do it now.. I tried enterprise and Hertz, couldn't get any cars for a one way..
Any suggestions?
None that I've heard of, but @eliteflyer just mentioned that National might do it with a 3-day minimum. Have you tried that?

Many are having this issue right now. I've seen so many people on Toronto chats looking for someone to drive their car to NY so their kids can drive it home for bein hazmanim...
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: eliteflyer on March 08, 2021, 11:44:50 PM
None that I've heard of, but @eliteflyer just mentioned that National might do it with a 3-day minimum. Have you tried that?

Many are having this issue right now. I've seen so many people on Toronto chats looking for someone to drive their car to NY so their kids can drive it home for bein hazmanim...
National/Enterprise and Alamo were all offering it as of a few days ago, though I now see that National and Enterprise are both sold out for one-way rentals. I reserved using Canadian Medical Association (family is a member) for $48/day + .40 cents per mile. Given the apparent high-demand for rental cars, I could easily see National reneging on the contract and just claiming they're "sold out", so want to have a plan-b.

Are taxis currently allowed to drive from Buffalo into Canada without COVID testing or quarantine?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: mordechain on March 08, 2021, 11:47:49 PM
Taxis can go back and forth. They are considered essential and exempt from restrictions.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: gedvoice@gmail.com on March 09, 2021, 12:07:13 AM
None that I've heard of, but @eliteflyer just mentioned that National might do it with a 3-day minimum. Have you tried that?

Many are having this issue right now. I've seen so many people on Toronto chats looking for someone to drive their car to NY so their kids can drive it home for bein hazmanim...

Tried 3 days nothing available
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: gedvoice@gmail.com on March 09, 2021, 12:11:37 AM
I know someone who's planning to drive one way from Toronto to NY, can he add me as a driver in NY and I'll drive it back to Toronto?
Or if anyone knows of a parent offering to give their car (7 seater) to get their son home for bein hazmanim, and I'd be able to join, we're 4 people with luggage..
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on March 09, 2021, 01:44:47 AM
I know someone who's planning to drive one way from Toronto to NY, can he add me as a driver in NY and I'll drive it back to Toronto?
Or if anyone knows of a parent offering to give their car (7 seater) to get their son home for bein hazmanim, and I'd be able to join, we're 4 people with luggage..
Yes that should work, just keep in mind the fees for switching locations and perhaps for adding a driver.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: mordechain on March 09, 2021, 01:56:43 AM
Yes that should work, just keep in mind the fees for switching locations and perhaps for adding a driver.
Why not have him just make an ordinary reservation in Toronto. The only extra fee works be the extra driver
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on March 09, 2021, 01:57:58 AM
Why not have him just make an ordinary reservation in Toronto. The only extra fee works be the extra driver
That's true. I misread that, which led to believe the car has already been rented.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: eliteflyer on March 09, 2021, 08:42:58 AM
Any taxi from the airport taxi stand will drive into Canada for $85 flat fee
good data point, thanks. Theyíll take you anywhere close to the border? E.g. Niagara Falls, Canada and wait at the border crossing with you while you get processed?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: th0306 on March 09, 2021, 09:59:21 AM
Is driving so much easier than flying that everyone is looking to drive?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: eliteflyer on March 09, 2021, 10:39:10 AM
Is driving so much easier than flying that everyone is looking to drive?
Driving is not (at least at the moment) subject to the mandatory COVID hotel quarantine requirements applicable to entry via the airports.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Ploni3 on March 09, 2021, 10:39:17 AM
When you fly you are subject to mandatory hotel quarantine prepaid for three days and generally not refundable, even if covid test results are received earlier.  Additionally, if you receive a positive test while in hotel quarantine, you are moved to a government facility for the remainder of the quarantine.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on March 09, 2021, 12:38:18 PM
FYI- One exemption to the hotel quarantine and the land-border tests is if you have a positive PCR test result from between 14 and 90 before arrival. Might not help a ton of people but it's worth knowing about.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: aygart on March 09, 2021, 12:43:59 PM
FYI- One exemption to the hotel quarantine and the land-border tests is if you have a positive PCR test result from between 14 and 90 before arrival. Might not help a ton of people but it's worth knowing about.

#incentives @ExGingi
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on March 09, 2021, 12:50:01 PM
#incentives @ExGingi
Yup. Though I'm not sure I'd try that with the Canadian border guys. Aside from the potential for a massive chilul hashem (some of which is already happening with different shenanigans) I think @Alexsei posted a story about someone getting turned back or held up. There are also potentially big penalties.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: ExGingi on March 09, 2021, 12:58:12 PM
Yup. Though I'm not sure I'd try that with the Canadian border guys. Aside from the potential for a massive chilul hashem (some of which is already happening with different shenanigans) I think @Alexsei posted a story about someone getting turned back or held up. There are also potentially big penalties.

Where's the chilul hashem in getting infected? Does anyone at the border know how one got infected?

As a bochur from 770 put it to me: hanging around 770 is kind of a guarantee to maintain high antibody levels. (He flew to EY earlier this week and his initial PCR test came back inconclusive, it was run a second time and came back negative).
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: lcm on March 09, 2021, 01:27:33 PM


As a bochur from 770 put it to me: hanging around 770 is kind of a guarantee to maintain high antibody levels.

Or, like I heard about someone else that hangs out there a lot, they take a numerative antibody test each month and they keep on going up :)
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: AsherO on March 09, 2021, 02:41:06 PM
Where's the chilul hashem in getting infected? Does anyone at the border know how one got infected?

As a bochur from 770 put it to me: hanging around 770 is kind of a guarantee to maintain high antibody levels. (He flew to EY earlier this week and his initial PCR test came back inconclusive, it was run a second time and came back negative).

Didnít your own pre-vaccine antibody levels refute this?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on March 09, 2021, 02:52:51 PM
Where's the chilul hashem in getting infected? Does anyone at the border know how one got infected?
Sorry I thought aygart was referring to obtaining a positive PCR without getting infected. I was saying that that's a potential massive chilul hashem.

Though once you've mentioned it, I do personally think that it doesn't reflect well on us to get infected. For example, many of the frum guys in my office have gotten covid while not a single non-Jewish employee has, and I've heard comments about it. I do not look for opportunities to tell people that I had it as I don't think it makes a kiddush hashem.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: gedvoice@gmail.com on March 09, 2021, 09:48:51 PM
Why not have him just make an ordinary reservation in Toronto. The only extra fee works be the extra driver

Can I add an additional driver at any Hertz rental or does it have to be the airport (when the car was rented in Canada, and I'm adding a driver in USA)
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on March 09, 2021, 09:57:03 PM
Can I add an additional driver at any Hertz rental or does it have to be the airport (when the car was rented in Canada, and I'm adding a driver in USA)
Any should work.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: myi on March 10, 2021, 02:24:29 AM
So this thread doesn't seem to have any good news for pesach as of yet.

 So coming into the states from Canada might be ok to fly, but a pain to go back.

 Thinking out loud...

 I'm trying to have someone from toronto come in to NY, and then have someone from NY go to Toronto.

 Maybe someone who lives in Toronto Drives across the border from Toronto to buffalo airport, drop off pax at the airport, and pick up passenger from flight from EWR at BUF airport.

 Assuming the driver doesn't have to quarantine?

 Seems that my best option to accomplish both of my ideas. And then again do the very same to go back home.

Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Ploni3 on March 10, 2021, 06:07:09 AM
I don't think dropping someone off or picking someone up at the airport qualifies as an exemption from quarantine rules.   It needs to be for some essential l reason like dropping someone at school.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on March 10, 2021, 08:34:49 AM
Maybe someone who lives in Toronto Drives across the border from Toronto to buffalo airport, drop off pax at the airport, and pick up passenger from flight from EWR at BUF airport.

Assuming the driver doesn't have to quarantine?
I haven't heard of any reason that the driver wouldn't have to quarantine. I'm pretty sure they would.

Maybe someone from Toronto brings the Toronto person to the border, person from NY flies to BUF and takes a taxi across the border, and that taxi takes your Toronto person back BUF (hopefully for a lot less than $85◊2).

Alternatively, just do that to get your NY person to Toronto, and have Toronto person fly to NY. I'd prefer to fly YYZ-EWR rather than drive to the border, take a taxi, and then fly to EWR.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on March 10, 2021, 08:43:41 AM
In case this helps anyone: I just heard that anyone 21 and younger is exempt from the hotel quarantine if financially dependent on their parents, or maybe 22+ if still dependent. Seems unclear to me, and obviously YMMV upon arrival.

I haven't found this online but someone forwarded me an email from Health Canada to that effect.

ETA: I've heard that yeshiva guys in the US are eyeing this exemption on on this page (https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/travel-restrictions/isolation#exemptions) but obviously a huge YMMV especially with hundreds of bochurim crossing in the next ~10 days.

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A student who is enrolled at an educational institution in the United States, who attends that educational institution regularly and who enters Canada to return to their habitual place of residence after attending that educational institution, if they will not directly care for persons 65 years of age or older within the 14-day period that begins on the day on which the person enters Canada
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Ploni3 on March 10, 2021, 09:14:26 AM
In case this helps anyone: I just heard that anyone 21 and younger is exempt from the hotel quarantine if financially dependent on their parents, or maybe 22+ if still dependent. Seems unclear to me, and obviously YMMV upon arrival.

I haven't found this online but someone forwarded me an email from Health Canada to that effect.

ETA: I've heard that yeshiva guys in the US are eyeing this exemption on on this page (https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/travel-restrictions/isolation#exemptions) but obviously a huge YMMV especially with hundreds of bochurim crossing in the next ~10 days.
I have spoken to Canadian border control and they confirmed that this exemption (in the link that you said bochurim  are eying) is only meant  for students who regularly travel to the US - and they define regularly by daily or weekly, at the most.   
But,  the hotel quarantine does have an exemption of "an unaccompanied minor or unaccompanied dependent child" (https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/2019-novel-coronavirus-infection/latest-travel-health-advice/mandatory-hotel-stay-air-travellers.html#a2).  The quarantine Act that carves this out defines a "dependent child"  as the same meaning as in section 2 of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations (https://orders-in-council.canada.ca/attachment.php?attach=40252&lang=en).  Those regulations define a dependent child as " is in one of the following situations of dependency, namely, (i) is less than 22 years of age and is not a spouse or common-law partner, or (ii) is 22 years of age or older and has depended substantially on the financial support of the parent since before attaining the age of 22 years and is unable to be financially self-supporting due to a physical or mental condition."  (https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/sor-2002-227/section-2.html)
So, every unmarried student/bochur traveling alone and under 22 should be exempt from the hotel quarantine (but not from the regular quarantine). 
As mentioned  earlier on this board, anyone who can show a positive PCR test from 14-90 days before entry to Canada is free from the hotel quarantine.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: myi on March 10, 2021, 11:05:19 AM
I haven't heard of any reason that the driver wouldn't have to quarantine. I'm pretty sure they would.

Maybe someone from Toronto brings the Toronto person to the border, person from NY flies to BUF and takes a taxi across the border, and that taxi takes your Toronto person back BUF (hopefully for a lot less than $85◊2).

Alternatively, just do that to get your NY person to Toronto, and have Toronto person fly to NY. I'd prefer to fly YYZ-EWR rather than drive to the border, take a taxi, and then fly to EWR.
I agree with you, though about it and it makes sense for whomever to fly into NY and then on the way home to fly into BUF and then from there, like you said to take a taxi across into Canada and have someone wait for them on the other side.

A real PIT* But this is the best option.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: myi on March 10, 2021, 11:08:51 AM
I have spoken to Canadian border control and they confirmed that this exemption (in the link that you said bochurim  are eying) is only meant  for students who regularly travel to the US - and they define regularly by daily or weekly, at the most.   
But,  the hotel quarantine does have an exemption of "an unaccompanied minor or unaccompanied dependent child" (https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/2019-novel-coronavirus-infection/latest-travel-health-advice/mandatory-hotel-stay-air-travellers.html#a2).  The quarantine Act that carves this out defines a "dependent child"  as the same meaning as in section 2 of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations (https://orders-in-council.canada.ca/attachment.php?attach=40252&lang=en).  Those regulations define a dependent child as " is in one of the following situations of dependency, namely, (i) is less than 22 years of age and is not a spouse or common-law partner, or (ii) is 22 years of age or older and has depended substantially on the financial support of the parent since before attaining the age of 22 years and is unable to be financially self-supporting due to a physical or mental condition."  (https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/sor-2002-227/section-2.html)
So, every unmarried student/bochur traveling alone and under 22 should be exempt from the hotel quarantine (but not from the regular quarantine). 
As mentioned  earlier on this board, anyone who can show a positive PCR test from 14-90 days before entry to Canada is free from the hotel quarantine.
Now question is, can a US citizen who holds a citizenship card as a Canadian go in to canada with the same exemption being that they're under 22?

 I know a Canadian Passport would make life easier, but never applied for CAD passports.
   So using the citizenship cards I got for now and my US passport.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: lcm on March 10, 2021, 11:14:51 AM
Now question is, can a US citizen who holds a citizenship card as a Canadian go in to canada with the same exemption being that they're under 22?

 I know a Canadian Passport would make life easier, but never applied for CAD passports.
   So using the citizenship cards I got for now and my US passport.
I don't see why not.
They let you in since you are a citizen, a card is enough.
Once you're let in, I don't see why they wouldn't let you be exempt
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on March 10, 2021, 11:20:59 AM
Now question is, can a US citizen who holds a citizenship card as a Canadian go in to canada with the same exemption being that they're under 22?

 I know a Canadian Passport would make life easier, but never applied for CAD passports.
   So using the citizenship cards I got for now and my US passport.
I don't see why not, but the interpretation of this under-22 thing might be only for dependents returning to their parents on whom they are dependent. If you're asking about someone under 22 who lives with and is dependent on parents in the US and wants to come visit someone else in Canada, I don't know if that would work.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on March 10, 2021, 11:33:17 AM
One thing to keep in consideration, if you are a citizen they must let you in regardless of your testing status, and they won't take you to facility if you refuse, you might get a fine which you are very likely not gonna have to pay
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Ploni3 on March 10, 2021, 11:39:29 AM
One thing to keep in consideration, if you are a citizen they must let you in regardless of your testing status, and they won't take you to facility if you refuse, you might get a fine which you are very likely not gonna have to pay
very likely not gonna have to pay... remember, that is an opinion.  You are dealing with a pretty serious offense, on the books. Penalties up to $750K and 6 months in jail.  Your choice if that is a chance you really want to take.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on March 10, 2021, 11:44:12 AM
very likely not gonna have to pay... remember, that is an opinion.  You are dealing with a pretty serious offense, on the books. Penalties up to $750K and 6 months in jail.  Your choice if that is a chance you really want to take.
I thought it was like $3k or something for failure to provide a test. Isn't the $750k related to not observing the quarantine?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on March 10, 2021, 11:44:54 AM
very likely not gonna have to pay... remember, that is an opinion.  You are dealing with a pretty serious offense, on the books. Penalties up to $750K and 6 months in jail.  Your choice if that is a chance you really want to take.
Can you link to that law? let's debate it
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Ploni3 on March 10, 2021, 11:57:11 AM
Can you link to that law? let's debate it
"Penalties, imprisonment and fines - Violating any instructions provided to you when you entered Canada is an offense under the Quarantine Act and could lead to up to:  6 months in prison and/or $750,000 in fines"

https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/travel-restrictions/isolation
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on March 10, 2021, 12:00:25 PM
"Penalties, imprisonment and fines - Violating any instructions provided to you when you entered Canada is an offense under the Quarantine Act and could lead to up to:  6 months in prison and/or $750,000 in fines"

https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/travel-restrictions/isolation
So instruction provided when you entered canada was to show up with a test ?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on March 10, 2021, 12:06:44 PM
"Penalties, imprisonment and fines - Violating any instructions provided to you when you entered Canada is an offense under the Quarantine Act and could lead to up to:  6 months in prison and/or $750,000 in fines"

https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/travel-restrictions/isolation

That's for violating the quarantine rules or failing to take your day 1 or day 10 test at home. The fine for failing to show a test at the border is much lower:

(https://i.postimg.cc/2y97spgL/Screenshot-2021-03-10-120531.jpg)
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on March 10, 2021, 12:09:30 PM
I have spoken to Canadian border control and they confirmed that this exemption (in the link that you said bochurim  are eying) is only meant  for students who regularly travel to the US - and they define regularly by daily or weekly, at the most.   
While I'm not It sure it pays to rely on it, it seems the language was specifically changed.
It used to say: (source) (https://gazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p1/2020/2020-11-07/html/order-decret-eng.html)
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In addition, the updated Order specifies that a person will be denied limited release from quarantine on compassionate grounds if the province or territory where they intend to carry out their activity provides, through its public health authorities, written notice to the Minister of Health, objecting to release on such grounds. The person in charge of any location a person intends to visit for compassionate reasons during their 14-day quarantine period must also not object. These amendments to the compassionate grounds provisions will have effect beginning at 11:59:59 p.m. Eastern standard time on November 20, 2020

They have since switched the law as of Feb 20th to say: (source (https://gazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p1/2021/2021-02-20/html/order-decret-eng.html#db1))
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(r) a student who is enrolled at an educational institution in the United States, who attends that institution regularly and who enters Canada to return to their habitual place of residence after attending that institution, if they will not directly care for persons 65 years of age or older;
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Ploni3 on March 10, 2021, 12:58:30 PM
While I'm not It sure it pays to rely on it, it seems the language was specifically changed.
It used to say: (source) (https://gazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p1/2020/2020-11-07/html/order-decret-eng.html)
They have since switched the law as of Feb 20th to say: (source (https://gazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p1/2021/2021-02-20/html/order-decret-eng.html#db1))

I spoke with the border control agency a few days ago, after the new language.  You are always welcome to try because everything is at the discretion of the particular agent you get.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Ploni3 on March 10, 2021, 01:03:32 PM
That's for violating the quarantine rules or failing to take your day 1 or day 10 test at home. The fine for failing to show a test at the border is much lower:

(https://i.postimg.cc/2y97spgL/Screenshot-2021-03-10-120531.jpg)
Maybe I was confused by the thread but my comments about an offense punishable with 6mth jail and $750K fine were directed at someone refusing hotel quarantine. 
As far as just not showing up with a test, you might be right that the fine is capped at $3K but if you refuse to take a test at the border or follow any instructions from border control I think that you are opening yourself up to violating the Quarantine Act orders and being subject to the much heavier penalties.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on March 10, 2021, 01:24:50 PM
I spoke with the border control agency a few days ago, after the new language.  You are always welcome to try because everything is at the discretion of the particular agent you get.
That is always true. Not to mention some are out to get you..
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on March 10, 2021, 08:03:35 PM
https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/03/10/fines-quaratine-west-van/
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: lafindumonde on March 10, 2021, 09:30:44 PM
Any taxi from the airport taxi stand will drive into Canada for $85 flat fee

Here is what I am considering: Uber from BUF to Rainbow Bridge in Niagara Falls for approximately $40USD. 

Then, Uber from the Rainbow Bridge to Enterprise car rental in Niagara Falls, ON is no more than $10CAD.  A one day one way rental to Toronto is $95CAD all in.

Is there anything wrong with my plan?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Ploni3 on March 12, 2021, 03:08:28 PM
I have spoken to Canadian border control and they confirmed that this exemption (in the link that you said bochurim  are eying) is only meant  for students who regularly travel to the US - and they define regularly by daily or weekly, at the most.   
But,  the hotel quarantine does have an exemption of "an unaccompanied minor or unaccompanied dependent child" (https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/2019-novel-coronavirus-infection/latest-travel-health-advice/mandatory-hotel-stay-air-travellers.html#a2).  The quarantine Act that carves this out defines a "dependent child"  as the same meaning as in section 2 of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations (https://orders-in-council.canada.ca/attachment.php?attach=40252&lang=en).  Those regulations define a dependent child as " is in one of the following situations of dependency, namely, (i) is less than 22 years of age and is not a spouse or common-law partner, or (ii) is 22 years of age or older and has depended substantially on the financial support of the parent since before attaining the age of 22 years and is unable to be financially self-supporting due to a physical or mental condition."  (https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/sor-2002-227/section-2.html)
So, every unmarried student/bochur traveling alone and under 22 should be exempt from the hotel quarantine (but not from the regular quarantine). 
As mentioned  earlier on this board, anyone who can show a positive PCR test from 14-90 days before entry to Canada is free from the hotel quarantine.
Further to the above, I am hearing that some border agents have required proving "dependency" - in other words, being under 22 and single, may not automatically deem someone to be a dependent, notwithstanding that that is the way I would have interpreted the regulation.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 13, 2021, 01:56:47 PM
Here is what I am considering: Uber from BUF to Rainbow Bridge in Niagara Falls for approximately $40USD. 

Then, Uber from the Rainbow Bridge to Enterprise car rental in Niagara Falls, ON is no more than $10CAD.  A one day one way rental to Toronto is $95CAD all in.

Is there anything wrong with my plan?

Not cheaper to just rent a one way from BUF to Toronto?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on March 13, 2021, 07:36:21 PM
Not cheaper to just rent a one way from BUF to Toronto?
Not available these days as there's only demand in one direction.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: lafindumonde on March 13, 2021, 07:40:52 PM
Not cheaper to just rent a one way from BUF to Toronto?

I wish there was even if it was slightly more expensive.  The only one way rental from BUF to Toronto that I can find is with Alamo and it requires a minimum 3 day rental for $785USD all in.  If anyone knows of anything better, please let me know. Thanks.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: lafindumonde on March 14, 2021, 12:33:19 PM
Not available these days as there's only demand in one direction.

What if you were to rent a car in Buffalo (with a scheduled return in Buffalo) and attempt to drop it off in Toronto?

I found this on the Hertz web site:

"A Return Change Fee of $12.99 will be applied if you return the vehicle to a different location from that which was scheduled, or if you return more than 12 hours after the date and time previously scheduled, and you failed to notify Hertz of such a change more than 24 hours prior to your scheduled return time by calling Hertz at 1-800-654-4174."

This fee will be applied in addition to any change in rental rate that occurs as a result of extending your rental."
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: eliteflyer on March 15, 2021, 02:45:41 PM
I wish there was even if it was slightly more expensive.  The only one way rental from BUF to Toronto that I can find is with Alamo and it requires a minimum 3 day rental for $785USD all in.  If anyone knows of anything better, please let me know. Thanks.
When National and Enterprise had the three day minimum rentals available for about the same price, both confirmed in writing to me that you can return  2 days early and only pay for one day. Still expensive, but closer to $200 all in. Not sure if that's the same for Alamo.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: avadah on March 16, 2021, 01:52:29 PM
Can someone send me a pm describing the quarantine?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on March 16, 2021, 01:54:07 PM
Can someone send me a pm describing the quarantine?
What info are you looking for?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Ploni3 on March 16, 2021, 01:56:23 PM
All  official rules are here:
https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/travel-restrictions/isolation

Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on March 16, 2021, 06:01:40 PM
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: avadah on March 18, 2021, 07:20:10 PM
When you show the negative pcr result at the border does it need to be printed or can i show it on my phone?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on March 18, 2021, 08:14:03 PM
When you show the negative pcr result at the border does it need to be printed or can i show it on my phone?
Proof is proof. It shouldn't matter, but there's no telling when it comes to entering Canada.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Ploni3 on March 18, 2021, 09:46:46 PM
My kids showed their phones and it was fine.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: gedvoice@gmail.com on March 19, 2021, 01:25:28 AM
When you show the negative pcr result at the border does it need to be printed or can i show it on my phone?

Phone is good.
That's what I did.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: lafindumonde on March 19, 2021, 01:06:21 PM
I plan to go for a test on Monday.  I looked up my results from a test done in November before it was necessary to cross the border:

Specimen:
Requisition:
Lab Reference ID:
Report Status: FINAL
Collected: 11/19/2020 00:00
Received: 11/20/2020 08:07
Reported: 11/21/2020 16:59

Methodology:  Nucleic Acid Amplification Test (NAAT)
includes RT-PCR or TMA

Will this be sufficient for crossing the land border?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on March 19, 2021, 01:12:32 PM
I plan to go for a test on Monday.  I looked up my results from a test done in November before it was necessary to cross the border:

Specimen:
Requisition:
Lab Reference ID:
Report Status: FINAL
Collected: 11/19/2020 00:00
Received: 11/20/2020 08:07
Reported: 11/21/2020 16:59

Methodology:  Nucleic Acid Amplification Test (NAAT)
includes RT-PCR or TMA

Will this be sufficient for crossing the land border?


Rules are here: (https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/travel-restrictions/driving-canada-checklist/covid-19-testing-travellers-driving?utm_campaign=gac-amc-covid-20-21&utm_source=travel-covid_travel-restrictions_&utm_medium=redirect&utm_content=en)
Quote
Providing proof of your result
You must present an accepted test result (paper or electronic proof) which must include:

Traveller name and date of birth
Name and civic address of the laboratory/clinic/facility that administered the test
The date on which the test was conducted
The type of test conducted
The test result

At this time, we encourage travellers to make best efforts to have their test performed at a reputable laboratory or testing facility (i.e., one recognized by the local government or accredited by a third party, such as a professional organization or international standards organization).
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: myi on March 19, 2021, 05:49:49 PM
Funny to see all direct flights Sold out to BUF from NYC.
 Here's one example before pesach.


(https://i.postimg.cc/6q8tnJcG/Screenshot-20210319-164752.png) (https://postimg.cc/hQRkRYHS)
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: myi on March 19, 2021, 05:50:30 PM
Funny to see all direct flights Sold out to BUF from NYC.
 Here's one example before pesach.

 Have 2 BH. So will see if indeed the flight will be full or not.


(https://i.postimg.cc/6q8tnJcG/Screenshot-20210319-164752.png) (https://postimg.cc/hQRkRYHS)
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on March 19, 2021, 05:51:16 PM
When you show the negative pcr result at the border does it need to be printed or can i show it on my phone?
You can but you wouldn't always want to hand them your phone...
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: lafindumonde on March 20, 2021, 09:38:12 PM
Rules are here: (https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/travel-restrictions/driving-canada-checklist/covid-19-testing-travellers-driving?utm_campaign=gac-amc-covid-20-21&utm_source=travel-covid_travel-restrictions_&utm_medium=redirect&utm_content=en)

The rules state the test result must include "The date on which the test was conducted", but it does not require the time the test was taken and my last test result doesn't show an actual time.  So how do they establish 72 hours instead of just 3 days? 
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on March 20, 2021, 09:40:15 PM
The rules state the test result must include "The date on which the test was conducted", but it does not require the time the test was taken and my last test result doesn't show an actual time.  So how do they establish 72 hours instead of just 3 days?
You may want to try and get a updated paper, you never know with canadian border.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Essen est zich on March 20, 2021, 10:33:53 PM
Is it possible for a canadian citizen to visit america by land or by air?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Ploni3 on March 20, 2021, 10:34:53 PM
Official rules are yes by air and no by land. 
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on March 20, 2021, 10:39:31 PM
Official rules are yes by air and no by land. 
Yup. Air is not a problem, land is.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: ari3 on March 20, 2021, 10:58:47 PM
Are there any issues transiting thru Canada by air?
From the website here  https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/travel-restrictions/border#transit-air (https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/travel-restrictions/border#transit-air) it seems not but I am asking if anyone has actual experience/info
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Moshke on March 20, 2021, 11:11:58 PM
Is it possible for a canadian citizen to visit america by land or by air?
By Air yes. Land depends in the port entry.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on March 20, 2021, 11:13:56 PM
Land depends in the port entry.
Really? Some allow it??
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Moshke on March 20, 2021, 11:14:45 PM
Really? Some allow it??
Vermont border!!
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Ploni3 on March 20, 2021, 11:28:34 PM
At the end of the day it is up to the individual agent. 
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Moshke on March 20, 2021, 11:31:35 PM
At the end of the day it is up to the individual agent.
Only ports connecting to NY does not allow.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: AsherO on March 20, 2021, 11:32:25 PM
Vermont border!!

I remember crossing there at night before 9/11, was a joke, we honked to wake up the single guard who was suspicious because we bothered to wake him.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: avadah on March 21, 2021, 11:42:34 AM
Are U.S. citizens able to enter the U.S through the land borders in Niagara?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on March 21, 2021, 12:01:07 PM
Are U.S. citizens able to enter the U.S through the land borders in Niagara?
Yes. Peace Bridge and either Rainbow or Queenston are open (don't remember which). US citizens shouldn't have a problem entering the US.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 21, 2021, 01:48:44 PM
Really? Some allow it??
Definitely not officially.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Moshke on March 21, 2021, 06:27:09 PM
Definitely not officially.
The Vermont border is officially letting in entry non us citizens. It was even discussed with the border agents. The past 4 weeks I know many ppl crossed that border.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on March 21, 2021, 07:08:46 PM
The way the law is written it is on the individual port of entry to decide if the travel is deemed essential, the N.Y. Borders decided spouses aren't while the VT borders decided they are.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Ploni3 on March 21, 2021, 07:14:09 PM
Plenty of "spouses" have been able to get through the NY borders; it depends on the agent.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on March 21, 2021, 07:18:56 PM
Plenty of "spouses" have been able to get through the NY borders; it depends on the agent.
I'm not sure if your quotations are referring to people ho aren't actually married, but I did get through with my wife who's a US citizen (I'm not). It was up to the supervisor on duty so my wife had to go inside and speak to him but he said yes right away (I don't even think he asked for our marriage certificate, which we brought).
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Moshke on March 21, 2021, 07:29:39 PM
Plenty of "spouses" have been able to get through the NY borders; it depends on the agent.
By the Lacolle entry to NY no one was successful for the past 6-8 months
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Ploni3 on March 21, 2021, 08:00:45 PM
A lot of success by the Buffalo/Niagara Falls border points to U.S.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on March 21, 2021, 08:01:53 PM
A lot of success by the Buffalo/Niagara Falls border points to U.S.
Yes, I forgot to mention in my post- my DP is from the Peace Bridge.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: m65 on March 21, 2021, 08:05:35 PM
are there any border points that allow us citizens w/o any family connections to cross into canada and back?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Ploni3 on March 21, 2021, 08:46:02 PM
not that you can rely on.  They are stricter on the way into Canada than into the US.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Tzfas on March 21, 2021, 10:08:50 PM
Correct, but if your coming to the NY area most are going through  the Vermont Border rather then NY, they are much more lenient  it adds about an hour to travel time.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on March 21, 2021, 11:05:36 PM
Correct, but if your coming to the NY area most are going through  the Vermont Border rather then NY, they are much more lenient  it adds about an hour to travel time.
I think @m65 was asking about being able to get into Canada, not into the US.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yosel on March 22, 2021, 11:44:19 AM
I'm not sure if your quotations are referring to people ho aren't actually married, but I did get through with my wife who's a US citizen (I'm not). It was up to the supervisor on duty so my wife had to go inside and speak to him but he said yes right away (I don't even think he asked for our marriage certificate, which we brought).
which crossing?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on March 22, 2021, 11:50:02 AM
which crossing?
Yes, I forgot to mention in my post- my DP is from the Peace Bridge.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: lafindumonde on March 22, 2021, 12:43:00 PM
Ontario Superior Court has dismissed a request for an interim injunction against the government's quarantine hotel program. The consitutionality of the program will be decided in a few weeks.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: m65 on March 22, 2021, 06:29:50 PM
I think @m65 was asking about being able to get into Canada, not into the US.
@Yehudaa is correct in regards to my query.
is the vermont border allowing us citizens to enter canada even if they have no canadian family?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Ploni3 on March 23, 2021, 09:23:07 PM
Further to the above, I am hearing that some border agents have required proving "dependency" - in other words, being under 22 and single, may not automatically deem someone to be a dependent, notwithstanding that that is the way I would have interpreted the regulation.
Notwithstanding the formal wording of the regulation (which may or may not have been changed,  even if not published yet;) the Canadian government website has been updated to explicitly state that only those under 18 will be exempted from hotel quarantine. https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/2019-novel-coronavirus-infection/latest-travel-health-advice/mandatory-hotel-stay-air-travellers.html#a2
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: myi on March 25, 2021, 03:27:33 AM
Don't know if it will help anyone.
 But quick TR with how it went with crossing the border.

 Booked two Flights from JFK-BUF.
 
 Flew to BUF, had a car pick them up from BUF Airport to cross the border, and take them to their final destination in Toronto.

  Flight was a breeze, at the border they asked 212 Questions. Took about an HR at the border till they went in and out..
  Needed them to show the rapid PCR taken within 72 hours and the antibodies test they took.
 They required for them to take another test in the airport, didn't ask for insurance cards or anything else, so I take it that it was free.
   And then they were sent off with another kit, for themselves to take a 3rd test in 10 days from the one's taken in the airport, and they would come pick it up in Toronto from them.

 Flight was at 2:55pm and they got to Toronto at 7:15ish BH.
 
 For the way home to NY a direct flight will do beH.

 For those that will ask yes we all had a candian Citizenship card, we're dual citizens.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: ben6952 on March 25, 2021, 11:46:29 AM
How do you check in your health over a three day Yom tov when you come from us to canada
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: ben6952 on March 25, 2021, 11:48:02 AM
Don't know if it will help anyone.
 But quick TR with how it went with crossing the border.

 Booked two Flights from JFK-BUF.
 
 Flew to BUF, had a car pick them up from BUF Airport to cross the border, and take them to their final destination in Toronto.

  Flight was a breeze, at the border they asked 212 Questions. Took about an HR at the border till they went in and out..
  Needed them to show the rapid PCR taken within 72 hours and the antibodies test they took.
 They required for them to take another test in the airport, didn't ask for insurance cards or anything else, so I take it that it was free.
   And then they were sent off with another kit, for themselves to take a 3rd test in 10 days from the one's taken in the airport, and they would come pick it up in Toronto from them.

 Flight was at 2:55pm and they got to Toronto at 7:15ish BH.
 
 For the way home to NY a direct flight will do beH.

 For those that will ask yes we all had a candian Citizenship card, we're dual citizens.

Which border crossing did they enter from? Was there a wait by the border or took an hour just for the questions? They need an antibody test? Thanks
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on March 25, 2021, 11:58:56 AM
How do you check in your health over a three day Yom tov when you come from us to canada
Of the many many people that I know who quarantined, I don't think any of them ever used the ArriveCAN app at all. I'm not sure if it's different if you start using it and then stop as opposed to never using it, but in my mind the worst scenario is that they get suspicious that you didn't check in an they come knock on your door and if you're keeping the quarantine then that's not an issue. I don't think they can penalize you for not using it, can they?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on March 25, 2021, 01:35:16 PM
Of the many many people that I know who quarantined, I don't think any of them ever used the ArriveCAN app at all. I'm not sure if it's different if you start using it and then stop as opposed to never using it, but in my mind the worst scenario is that they get suspicious that you didn't check in an they come knock on your door and if you're keeping the quarantine then that's not an issue. I don't think they can penalize you for not using it, can they?
+1 most ppl i know don't ever checkin or call
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: lafindumonde on March 25, 2021, 06:37:45 PM
Here is what I am considering: Uber from BUF to Rainbow Bridge in Niagara Falls for approximately $40USD. 

Then, Uber from the Rainbow Bridge to Enterprise car rental in Niagara Falls, ON is no more than $10CAD.  A one day one way rental to Toronto is $95CAD all in.

Is there anything wrong with my plan?

In case anyone is interested, I crossed at the Rainbow Bridge & everything went better than I expected.  Uber from BUF to Rainbow Bridge took 20 minutes and cost $40.  There is a turnstile to pass through to enter the bridge to Canada.  However, if you ring the bell, the US CBP official will unlock the gate and you can wheel your baggage through.  Crossing the bridge by foot was shorter than I expected.  After speaking to the Canadian customs officer, I had to take another Covid test.  There are Red Cross personnel to assist.  They give you another test kit for the 10th day.  The 10 day test is to be done with a nurse via video and the sample will be picked up.  Then I took an Uber to Enterprise car rental in Niagara Falls, ON and drove to Toronto.  Glad I crossed via land and avoided the whole hotel mess.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: myi on March 25, 2021, 07:50:18 PM
Which border crossing did they enter from? Was there a wait by the border or took an hour just for the questions? They need an antibody test? Thanks

Peace Bridge.
 Very little cars. Mostly essential workers which didn't need a covid test.

  We were by the border for 30-45 min with questions and a covid test, no antibodies test needed. (Seems they had for backup)
 All you need is the negative PCR test within 72 Hrs of traveling.


(https://i.postimg.cc/TY87tBCM/IMG-20210325-WA0023.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hhr1jykp)

(https://i.postimg.cc/bNQ6WLBG/IMG-20210325-WA0024.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/F7HgJbmm)

(https://i.postimg.cc/XY42bFRs/IMG-20210325-WA0025.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/YhDNN4qF)
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: lafindumonde on March 25, 2021, 08:35:30 PM
Peace Bridge.
 Very little cars. Mostly essential workers which didn't need a covid test.

  We were by the border for 30-45 min with questions and a covid test, no antibodies test needed. (Seems they had for backup)
 All you need is the negative PCR test within 72 Hrs of traveling.


(https://i.postimg.cc/TY87tBCM/IMG-20210325-WA0023.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hhr1jykp)

(https://i.postimg.cc/bNQ6WLBG/IMG-20210325-WA0024.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/F7HgJbmm)

(https://i.postimg.cc/XY42bFRs/IMG-20210325-WA0025.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/YhDNN4qF)

I didn't receive those papers, so I presume you didn't use the ArriveCan app?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on March 25, 2021, 08:58:55 PM
I didn't receive those papers, so I presume you didn't use the ArriveCan app?
Non related.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on March 25, 2021, 09:35:02 PM
I didn't receive those papers, so I presume you didn't use the ArriveCan app?
They seem to give out all sorts of papers. I got those papers once, a nicer flyer another time, and my brother just came in and got nothing. Go figure.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: lafindumonde on March 25, 2021, 10:25:24 PM
They seem to give out all sorts of papers. I got those papers once, a nicer flyer another time, and my brother just came in and got nothing. Go figure.

The CBSA officer didn't ask for my ArriveCan receipt - she knew the address where I would be quarantining just from scanning my passport.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on March 25, 2021, 10:29:32 PM
The CBSA officer didn't ask for my ArriveCan receipt - she knew the address where I would be quarantining just from scanning my passport.
If you previously quarantined they have your info.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: myi on March 25, 2021, 11:18:53 PM
In case anyone is interested, I crossed at the Rainbow Bridge & everything went better than I expected.  Uber from BUF to Rainbow Bridge took 20 minutes and cost $40.  There is a turnstile to pass through to enter the bridge to Canada.  However, if you ring the bell, the US CBP official will unlock the gate and you can wheel your baggage through.  Crossing the bridge by foot was shorter than I expected.  After speaking to the Canadian customs officer, I had to take another Covid test.  There are Red Cross personnel to assist.  They give you another test kit for the 10th day.  The 10 day test is to be done with a nurse via video and the sample will be picked up.  Then I took an Uber to Enterprise car rental in Niagara Falls, ON and drove to Toronto.  Glad I crossed via land and avoided the whole hotel mess.
Curious what the enterprise rental costed you to go to Toronto?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on March 26, 2021, 12:34:09 AM
Wait times at Lacolle this afternoon reached 3.5hrs
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on March 26, 2021, 12:46:49 AM
Wait times at Lacolle this afternoon reached 3.5hrs
Mostly frum?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on March 26, 2021, 12:54:50 AM
Mostly frum?
Yup.
One grand party (from videos)
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: lafindumonde on March 26, 2021, 08:46:28 AM
Curious what the enterprise rental costed you to go to Toronto?
The one day rental price was $36.50 plus a $41.74 one way fee plus 13% tax & fees - total was $89.88CAD.  Very reasonable.  I rented a Compact, but they gave me a full size, freshly washed and sanitized.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: ben6952 on March 26, 2021, 10:22:51 AM
My experience last night by the rainbow bridge. I did the arrivecan registration the border officer scanned our passport and had all the information that I entered in the app. confirmed the address of quarantine looked at our Covid pcr tests, asked if I had any fire arms or alcohol or drugs and gave me the 2 Covid tests that need to be done, one by the red cross right after the border and the other one at home on day 10. By the border agent was about 3-5 min. She told me I had to wait 20 minutes for the person before me because they did not enter their information in the arrivecan app. The Red Cross took me about 10 minutes but wouldíve been five minutes if I wouldíve registered before but nobody told me about that and I think also that this part is a new thing that is exclusive to the rainbow bridge. To register for the red cross Covid testing the website is portal.switchhealth.ca . You donít have to make a separate login for each person once the main person makes a login they add everyone else including spouse as dependents. Hope this helps for anyone traveling next week. Have a gut Yom tov!
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on March 26, 2021, 12:44:22 PM
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Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: avadah on March 26, 2021, 01:19:21 PM
The CBSA officer didn't ask for my ArriveCan receipt - she knew the address where I would be quarantining just from scanning my passport.
me too.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: ben6952 on March 26, 2021, 01:43:01 PM
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Whatís this?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: lcm on March 26, 2021, 01:45:38 PM
Whatís this?
Looks like reporting about 8000 Jews at the border of the last 48 hours
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: yzj on March 26, 2021, 03:14:08 PM
Whatís this?

Im guessing it translates to ďExclusive: 8000 Jews in 48 hours at the border.ď
bunch of anti semites.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: AsherO on March 26, 2021, 03:25:30 PM
Looks like reporting about 8000 Jews at the border of the last 48 hours

How did they quantify Jews if they donít officially record that? Is this the same fake news quantifying as the alleged 100s of Pesach rental cancellations in Orlando?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 28, 2021, 03:39:04 PM
How did they quantify Jews if they donít officially record that?
Presumably daily borders crossings are steady and increased by 8000
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: aygart on March 29, 2021, 09:05:00 PM
Presumably daily borders crossings are steady and increased by 8000
How much did they increase in late December
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on March 29, 2021, 09:15:58 PM
Anybody who has been to the border recently knows that it's hardly possible for there to have been over 160 cars going through the border an hour..

According to the government website the only borders with waiting times was the lacole (with 2 lanes) and vermont border (1 lane).

ETA
Even considering there was an average of 5 people per car, that would come out to over 30 cars an hour split up over 2-3 borders, still an impossible number.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: avadah on March 30, 2021, 01:12:24 PM
Is there a way to take the at home covid test over the phone? Wait time on zoom is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on March 30, 2021, 01:31:06 PM
Yes you can, but wait times on phone are long too, you can try reaching them on Twitter for a faster response, or you can just not send them back at all, or you can just send them back unused and unregistered
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: avadah on March 30, 2021, 01:39:58 PM
then whats the point of sending them back? can i at least do my whole family in one zoom appointment?
whats the phone number and how do i reach them on twitter?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on March 30, 2021, 02:00:53 PM
then whats the point of sending them back? can i at least do my whole family in one zoom appointment?
whats the phone number and how do i reach them on twitter?
What's the point in mandating them in first place ?
 https://twitter.com/SwitchHealthCA?s=20
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: avadah on March 30, 2021, 02:01:43 PM
What's the point in mandating them in first place ?
 https://twitter.com/SwitchHealthCA?s=20
I agree to that.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: avadah on March 30, 2021, 02:04:50 PM
It doesnt give me the option of scheduling a pickup. Does that happen after the test?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on March 30, 2021, 02:07:59 PM
Yes or you can call purolator directly
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 31, 2021, 07:05:01 AM
How much did they increase in late December
They didn't increase.

Personal vehicle passengers crossing the US/Canada Border:

Nov 2018, Nov 2019 = 3.5m
Dec 2018, Dec 2019  = 3.8m
Aug 2020 = 318,288
Sep 2020 = 306,576
Oct 2020 = 318,505
Nov 2020 = 269,071
Dec 2020 = 278,669

https://data.bts.gov/Research-and-Statistics/Border-Crossings-by-Mode-Border-and-State/erjk-mneb
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: aygart on March 31, 2021, 08:38:48 AM


They didn't increase.

Personal vehicle passengers crossing the US/Canada Border:

Nov 2018, Nov 2019 = 3.5m
Dec 2018, Dec 2019  = 3.8m
Aug 2020 = 318,288
Sep 2020 = 306,576
Oct 2020 = 318,505
Nov 2020 = 269,071
Dec 2020 = 278,669

https://data.bts.gov/Research-and-Statistics/Border-Crossings-by-Mode-Border-and-State/erjk-mneb

A one or two day increase of 80 00 fits into those numbers very easily
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 31, 2021, 08:49:19 AM

A one or two day increase of 80 00 fits into those numbers very easily
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. You'd need far more (~100x) than 8000 to demonstrate a Christian holiday travel spike equivalent to 8000 Jews.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: lafindumonde on April 01, 2021, 09:37:04 PM
What's the point in mandating them in first place ?
 https://twitter.com/SwitchHealthCA?s=20
I sent them a DM on Twitter and they did not respond.  I need to do the 10 day test tomorrow.  Can you schedule an appointment or do you just log in and wait?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on April 01, 2021, 11:40:17 PM
Not sure if this is well-known already, but I just heard that anyone flying from YYZ to the US can get a free rapid test in Pearson between 72 and 2.5 hours prior to departure as part of a research study.

Details are here (https://www.torontopearson.com/en/healthy-airport/covid-19-testing-at-toronto-pearson/departing-united-states). Book an appointment with Fionet here (https://gtaa.fionetrapidresponse.com/).
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Alexsei on April 02, 2021, 12:20:02 AM
I sent them a DM on Twitter and they did not respond.  I need to do the 10 day test tomorrow.  Can you schedule an appointment or do you just log in and wait?
It doesn't look like anyone is really interested you should take the test
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: AsherO on April 02, 2021, 02:18:00 AM
Not sure if this is well-known already, but I just heard that anyone flying from YYZ to the US can get a free rapid test in Pearson between 72 and 2.5 hours prior to departure as part of a research study.

Details are here (https://www.torontopearson.com/en/healthy-airport/covid-19-testing-at-toronto-pearson/departing-united-states). Book an appointment with Fionet here (https://gtaa.fionetrapidresponse.com/).

Is this about a captive audience of research candidates, or running a research test at an airport (where people are more likely to be healthy/asymptomatic and only testing due to the travel regulations) to try and skew the results in a certain direction?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: lafindumonde on April 02, 2021, 12:46:14 PM
It doesn't look like anyone is really interested you should take the test
So I did the 10 day COVID test this morning, however, Purolator will not pick up until Monday.  What a joke. 
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Moshe123 on April 02, 2021, 01:13:47 PM
I heard today what schtick the bachurim coming home from Israel, who were over 18 had to do to avoid being sent to hotels... It worked bh.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: iwlw2 on April 05, 2021, 12:14:22 PM
I heard today what schtick the bachurim coming home from Israel, who were over 18 had to do to avoid being sent to hotels... It worked bh.
Can you either post or DM me with the details? I have a nephew who is learning in Toronto who went home for Pesach, but is looking to avoid the hotels when he comes back....
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: eliteflyer on April 05, 2021, 03:33:06 PM
I heard today what schtick the bachurim coming home from Israel, who were over 18 had to do to avoid being sent to hotels... It worked bh.
What did they do?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: eliteflyer on April 05, 2021, 03:53:03 PM
Family from Toronto is coming to south Florida to visit for Pesach. Grateful for any input on proposed itinerary/Covid planning, particularly contingency plans for getting from Buffalo over the border into Canada. All relevant parties have been vaccinated.

- Thursday March 18, within 72 hours of departure: Obtain negative PCR COVID test result in Toronto.
-Sunday March 21: Fly YYZ-FLL non-stop: With a negative covid test, I would not anticipate any issues for Canadian citizens at CBP in YYZ, and certainly not on arrival in FLL.

-Last day of chol-hamoed, Friday April 2: obtain negative PCR test result in Miami

-Monday April 5: Fly non-stop FLL-BUF: I do not anticipate any issues on arrival into New York

- April 5: Rent rental car at Buffalo from National. This entailed a three day minimum reservation to get a one-way car rental to YYZ and many agencies were blocking them entirely. I see National is now sold out and am concerned that the reservation may not be honored if National is sold out or decides it doesn't want to see another car disappear into Canada (with no demand for rentals in the opposite direction to bring them back to U.S.). Any first hand experience would be much appreciated.

- April 5: Cross land border into Canada, obtain 2 PCR test kits at border for immediate use and for 14 days later and quarantine at home for 14 days following arrival.

-April 19 - Take second PCR test and leave quarrantine.


UPDATE: My in-laws had no issue picking up their one way rental car from National this afternoon at BUF and crossed Queenston-Lewiston Bridge. Immigration took about 10 minutes to check the documentation. After self-administering PCR tests, they were clear to leave. They're now enroute to YYZ to return the National rental car and pick up their own car from long-term parking.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: lafindumonde on April 05, 2021, 03:59:58 PM
UPDATE: My in-laws had no issue picking up their one way rental car from National this afternoon at BUF and crossed Queenston-Lewiston Bridge. Immigration took about 10 minutes to check the documentation. After self-administering PCR tests, they were clear to leave. They're now enroute to YYZ to return the National rental car and pick up their own car from long-term parking.

How much was the 3 day car rental?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: eliteflyer on April 05, 2021, 04:13:17 PM
How much was the 3 day car rental?
Approximately $200 + .40/mile. However, I would expect final invoice to only show a charge for one day, so total will be around $65 + mileage.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: lafindumonde on April 05, 2021, 04:39:44 PM
Approximately $200 + .40/mile. However, I would expect final invoice to only show a charge for one day, so total will be around $65 + mileage.
Alamo wanted almost $700 for a 3 day rental and I wasn't going to take the chance that they wouldn't refund the extra 2 days, so I passed.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on April 07, 2021, 05:17:53 PM
Based off that article (which can't be definitively an accurate source), it would seem that plenty of people don't think (again not a good data point) it's effective.Where talking about people and relatives who are together with each from 5am-7:59pm. Does Covid only spread after 8?!
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on April 07, 2021, 08:05:56 PM

It's dps like this that lead me to say:
I welcome any accurate source, I don't think that's very possible with the country in such a lockdown...
I would also love to hear a reason why my visiting a friend is only a problem after 8.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: S209 on April 07, 2021, 08:39:03 PM
It's dps like this that lead me to say:
Presumably the reason you want to visit your friend after 8 is because youíre busy earlier (working, school, family etc.) If you canít go later, youíll either A) go earlier (instead of doing something else) or B) not go (because you or he are busy earlier). Youíll prioritize more important in-person activities and leave the less important activities to online interaction.

Do you see how in a large group a curfew can have a significant impact on spread, by greatly decreasing in-person interactions between people?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Essen est zich on April 08, 2021, 12:38:44 AM
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2021/04/07/a-267-word-timeline-of-ontarios-covid-19-response.html


Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yo ssi on April 08, 2021, 01:47:24 AM
Presumably the reason you want to visit your friend after 8 is because youíre busy earlier (working, school, family etc.) If you canít go later, youíll either A) go earlier (instead of doing something else) or B) not go (because you or he are busy earlier). Youíll prioritize more important in-person activities and leave the less important activities to online interaction.

Do you see how in a large group a curfew can have a significant impact on spread, by greatly decreasing in-person interactions between people?
You have a valid point, so why not disable gatherings at any hour? Why can't I take a walk? Why if I have a dog I can?
When making a law for public it's gotta be implemented smartly and be reasonable. I think they missed the mark.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Ergel on April 08, 2021, 05:25:37 AM
Is there a limitation on connecting through Canada?
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: PlatinumGuy on April 08, 2021, 06:13:37 AM
Is there a limitation on connecting through Canada?
No
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Ploni3 on April 08, 2021, 06:16:32 AM
As long as you don't leave the airport.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on April 08, 2021, 07:16:49 AM
Is there any way to visit someone who has a connection in YYZ?

A relative of mine has a connection in YYZ and can't leave the airport, but I'd love to go to the airport to say hi for a minute...
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: lafindumonde on April 08, 2021, 08:55:11 AM
Is there any way to visit someone who has a connection in YYZ?

A relative of mine has a connection in YYZ and can't leave the airport, but I'd love to go to the airport to say hi for a minute...
What if you buy a refundable ticket for the same flight, go through security and meet airside - then you change your mind and exit the secure area.  Depends how badly you want to meet.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: Yehudaa on April 08, 2021, 11:04:52 AM
What if you buy a refundable ticket for the same flight, go through security and meet airside - then you change your mind and exit the secure area.  Depends how badly you want to meet.
I hear. I don't think I'm that desperate to see them.
Title: Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
Post by: lafindumonde on April 10, 2021, 08:45:30 PM
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canadian-snowbirds-hotel-quarantine-land-border-travel-1.5980913