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Title: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on March 18, 2020, 08:55:01 PM
Please post here. I am getting burned out with nothing positive.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: Dan on March 18, 2020, 08:57:04 PM
https://www.facebook.com/100019041437153/posts/544376542873722/
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: as2 on March 18, 2020, 08:58:34 PM
Please post here. I am getting burned out with nothing positive.
The volunteers showing up for projects in my community are unbelievable. We were able to provide close to 3000 meals to kids today. Times like these are so awesome in so many ways. Tragedy often brings out unbelievable things.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: Boruch Parnes on March 18, 2020, 09:00:39 PM
Please post here. I am getting burned out with nothing positive.
that its slowing down in china & south korea
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on March 18, 2020, 09:01:10 PM
https://www.facebook.com/100019041437153/posts/544376542873722/
They are joining in prayer from their balconies?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: Dan on March 18, 2020, 09:01:45 PM
They are joining in prayer from their balconies?
Yes, prayers that require 10 men to participate. That is also a special prayer that can only be said with 10 men for the soul of a recently departed parent or on the anniversary of their passing.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on March 18, 2020, 09:01:58 PM
that its slowing down in china & south korea
Reports of second wave popping up.  :-\
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: mercaz1 on March 18, 2020, 09:17:37 PM
Reports of second wave popping up.  :-\

is this going to be a rolling wave that will keep coming back every few weeks/months
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: Dan on March 18, 2020, 09:22:14 PM

Reports of second wave popping up.  :-\
is this going to be a rolling wave that will keep coming back every few weeks/months
Isn't this the good news thread  >:(
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: mercaz1 on March 18, 2020, 09:33:10 PM
Isn't this the good news thread  >:(

the topic is a question. what is the answer and can it be no?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on March 18, 2020, 09:42:48 PM
I guess this could be good news. Amazon calling mandatory overtime. 60 hours a week where my son is at. They are hiring.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: TimT on March 18, 2020, 09:55:59 PM
I guess this could be good news. Amazon calling mandatory overtime. 60 hours a week where my son is at. They are hiring.
What are they doing to keep their employees safe ? Arenít there maximum capacity rules ?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: aygart on March 18, 2020, 10:02:28 PM
SOme of the best news out there



https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTi-g18ftNZUMRAj2SwRPodtscFio7bJ7GdNgbJAGbdfF67WuRJB3ZsidgpidB2eocFHAVjIL-7deJ7/pub

https://www.elsevier.com/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/988648/COVID-19-Drug-Therapy_Mar-2020.pdf
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on March 18, 2020, 10:29:40 PM
What are they doing to keep their employees safe ? Arenít there maximum capacity rules ?
They do keep 6 feet in breakrooms but other than that not much. My bet nothing will be done until someone tests positive.
They can take off anytime they want with no preapproval.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: RewardsAddict on March 18, 2020, 10:31:18 PM

Finally we know there is hope.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: as2 on March 19, 2020, 08:41:08 AM
Someone forwarded this to me.

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Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: Proisrael on March 19, 2020, 08:50:12 AM
Someone forwarded this to me.

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BH!!!

Refua before the Makeh!!
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: aygart on March 19, 2020, 09:36:41 AM
Someone forwarded this to me.

?s=21
This is the same one being mentioned above iinm
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: etech0 on March 19, 2020, 09:37:31 AM
How long does it take the average patient to recover without medication?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on March 19, 2020, 10:26:11 AM
US is basically an exporter of food. We should not see food shortages. If you want a certain Italian cheese or a French wine then that is a different story.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: TimT on March 19, 2020, 12:50:28 PM
We should not see food shortages.
I pray that youíre right. What happens when workers donít show up or thereís an infection at these plants ? Todayís rationing was on kosher chicken, eggs, & bounty.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: RewardsAddict on March 19, 2020, 12:54:38 PM
I pray that youíre right. What happens when workers donít show up or thereís an infection at these plants ? Todayís rationing was on kosher chicken, eggs, & bounty.
As per a family member who is a food distributor for a major kosher company. THERE IS ENOUGH FOOD AND CHICKEN. The problem is the hoarders. If someone buys 50 packs of chicken (true story, I saw the wagon) of course stores won't have enough! The companies can't make deliveries fast enough, so we see shortages
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: shwarmabob on March 19, 2020, 01:00:06 PM
not sure if it falls into the good news category but you misspelled the name of the virus  :P
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: grodnoking on March 19, 2020, 01:02:22 PM


As per a family member who is a food distributor for a major kosher company. THERE IS ENOUGH FOOD AND CHICKEN. The problem is the hoarders. If someone buys 50 packs of chicken (true story, I saw the wagon) of course stores won't have enough! The companies can't make deliveries fast enough, so we see shortages

Yup. The hoarders are causing all the issues.
KFP food has been here since early January, so there's no issue with that besides people who buy too much.
So far we will be eating just chicken cutlets for the entire pesach because that's all we managed to get. We waited on line at KRM where they walked out and handed everyone waiting by the butcher bulk packs of cutlets straight off the truck.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: noah32 on March 19, 2020, 01:03:26 PM
Good news?

Although the death toll is unfortunately climbing in the US right now, the mortality rate is actually dropping (for now) as more testing becomes available. Currently at 1.4%
Hopefully that percentage keeps dropping.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: RewardsAddict on March 19, 2020, 01:04:37 PM

Yup. The hoarders are causing all the issues.
KFP food has been here since early January, so there's no issue with that besides people who buy too much.
So far we will be eating just chicken cutlets for the entire pesach because that's all we managed to get. We waited on line at KRM where they walked out and handed everyone waiting by the butcher bulk packs of cutlets straight off the truck.
Wow. I was only able to get 2 packs of bottoms... Meal mart has enough chicken for the next year, KJ swore even if they stop shechting chicken today, they have enough for the entire klal yisroel for a good few months. People need to stop pretending all the chickens are dying.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on March 19, 2020, 01:08:45 PM
Good news?

Although the death toll is unfortunately climbing in the US right now, the mortality rate is actually dropping (for now) as more testing becomes available. Currently at 1.4%
Hopefully that percentage keeps dropping.
I will take it. What we need now is that curve the flatten.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: gingyguy on March 19, 2020, 01:10:26 PM
not sure if it falls into the good news category but you misspelled the name of the virus  :P
Seems like one of his hotkeys recently is to misspell as many words as he can
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on March 19, 2020, 01:13:55 PM
Seems like one of his hotkeys recently is to misspell as many words as he can
Please make a list of hotkeys I need two reprogram.  ;)
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: TimT on March 19, 2020, 01:14:59 PM
As per a family member who is a food distributor for a major kosher company. THERE IS ENOUGH FOOD AND CHICKEN. The problem is the hoarders. If someone buys 50 packs of chicken (true story, I saw the wagon) of course stores won't have enough! The companies can't make deliveries fast enough, so we see shortages
But these weeks before pesach is when everybody always hoards. Why arenít the companies releasing far more ? One large supermarket ordered 200 cases of eggs & only got 20.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: Joel2 on March 19, 2020, 01:20:03 PM
But these weeks before pesach is when everybody always hoards. Why arenít the companies releasing far more ? One large supermarket ordered 200 cases of eggs & only got 20.
Eggs are a real shortage while chicken not yet..
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: RewardsAddict on March 19, 2020, 01:20:51 PM
But these weeks before pesach is when everybody always hoards. Why arenít the companies releasing far more ? One large supermarket ordered 200 cases of eggs & only got 20.
Because they can't keep up with the demand. Said family member told us he has never gotten such huge orders in the history of his career. This is not regular hoarding, its insanity. At this point of the year, distributors are usually only writing the post pesach orders as the groceries are not ordering chometz products anymore. Now they are still going full force with the chometz products. He claimed he has never seen this before.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: RewardsAddict on March 19, 2020, 01:21:36 PM
Eggs are a real shortage while chicken not yet..
A lot of shortages are due to workers not coming in due to illness.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: chevron on March 19, 2020, 01:26:07 PM
A lot of shortages are due to workers not coming in due to illness.

This was the underlying fear behind hoarding

Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: avromie7 on March 19, 2020, 01:26:26 PM
A lot of shortages are due to workers not coming in due to illness.
Do you know this as fact that there are factories with a labor shortage?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on March 19, 2020, 01:54:43 PM
Eggs are a real shortage while chicken not yet..
If you have chickens how could you not have eggs?  :)
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: aygart on March 19, 2020, 02:08:41 PM
If you have chickens how could you not have eggs?  :)
They are not the same breed and also not the same farm.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: etech0 on March 19, 2020, 02:09:09 PM
Besides, the more chickens you sell the less eggs are produced :)
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: TimT on March 19, 2020, 02:28:53 PM
Besides, the more chickens you sell the less eggs are produced :)
Well then either the chickens or the eggs are lying.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: etech0 on March 19, 2020, 02:31:26 PM
Well then either the chickens or the eggs are lying.
Which came first?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: aygart on March 19, 2020, 02:35:57 PM
Which came first?
The chicken.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: grodnoking on March 19, 2020, 02:42:08 PM
Which came first?
Both
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: etech0 on March 19, 2020, 02:47:18 PM
The chicken.
Obviously, because you eat the chicken friday night and the eggs shabbos morning
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: yuneeq on March 20, 2020, 02:03:30 AM
Good news?

Although the death toll is unfortunately climbing in the US right now, the mortality rate is actually dropping (for now) as more testing becomes available. Currently at 1.4%
Hopefully that percentage keeps dropping.

Donít want to get your hopes down but - many new people infected. And people donít die instantly.
Hence the death rate is low but so is the recovered case rate. Need the recovered rate to rise before saying anything is good news.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: Proisrael on March 20, 2020, 03:00:59 AM
Donít want to get your hopes down but - many new people infected. And people donít die instantly.
Hence the death rate is low but so is the recovered case rate. Need the recovered rate to rise before saying anything is good news.

South Korea (going to a country that will be most similar to the USA) has a 25% recovery rate and a 1-1.2% death rate.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on March 20, 2020, 07:35:56 AM
South Korea (going to a country that will be most similar to the USA) has a 25% recovery rate and a 1-1.2% death rate.
SK is most similar to the US. We are testing hundreds of thousands? We took this serious from day one? Our curve is flattening?
Please explain how we are similar, not how we hope we are?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jellybelly on March 20, 2020, 08:44:30 AM
Any more info on if they think the warm weather will stop the virus?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: avromie7 on March 20, 2020, 08:58:54 AM
Donít want to get your hopes down but - many new people infected. And people donít die instantly.
Hence the death rate is low but so is the recovered case rate. Need the recovered rate to rise before saying anything is good news.
On March 12 Italy had 15,113 cases and 1,016 deaths. The US currently has 14,372 cases and 217 deaths
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: yuneeq on March 20, 2020, 09:31:57 AM
On March 12 Italy had 15,113 cases and 1,016 deaths. The US currently has 14,372 cases and 217 deaths

What was the total % of completed cases and recoveries on that date in Italy? I see right now itís at 10.8% recovered vs 8.3% CFR. US right now is at 0.8% recovered vs 1.4% CFR. I donít necessarily think the US will be hit hard like Italy (I really hope not), but itís hard to match it up to South Korea either.  Thereís a large gap between those 2.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on March 20, 2020, 09:33:59 AM
On March 12 Italy had 15,113 cases and 1,016 deaths. The US currently has 14,372 cases and 217 deaths
What was your point besides always trying to downplay the crisis?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: avromie7 on March 20, 2020, 09:40:00 AM
What was the total % of completed cases and recoveries on that date in Italy? I see right now itís at 10.8% vs 8.3% CFR. US right now is at 0.8% recovered vs 1.4% CFR. I donít necessarily think the US will be hit hard like Italy (I really hope not), but itís hard to match it up to South Korea either.  Thereís a lot of gap between those 2.
I don't know, but presumably if we're going at the same rate of cases the recovery should be around the same.
What was your point besides always trying to downplay the crisis?
Are we not allowed to discuss the facts unless they say we're all going to die? I've been tracking the death rate in the US and Italy, and we're definitely trending much lower. Earlier this week it was 2.5-3x, now it's 4-5x
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on March 20, 2020, 09:49:14 AM
Are we not allowed to discuss the facts unless they say we're all going to die? I've been tracking the death rate in the US and Italy, and we're definitely trending much lower. Earlier this week it was 2.5-3x, now it's 4-5x
Sure you can discuss the facts all you want. Playing with numbers to make the facts the way you want them to look is a different story.

What don't you show the facts that we are on the same (or worse) trajectory as Italy for new cases? Or how about the numbers showing hospitals running out of supplies? Or how we have less beds than Italy per capita?

My point is from the beginning you have taken the position we are all panicking or it is not that bad. You have been wrong at every turn but still keep it up.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on March 20, 2020, 09:51:28 AM
I've been tracking the death rate in the US and Italy, and we're definitely trending much lower. Earlier this week it was 2.5-3x, now it's 4-5x
What is more important to you. The death rate in the US or the amount of people that will die from this virus?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on March 20, 2020, 10:00:03 AM
Look at the two curves for cases and deaths. What do you see @avromie7
https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: avromie7 on March 20, 2020, 10:03:14 AM
Sure you can discuss the facts all you want. Playing with numbers to make the facts the way you want them to look is a different story.

What don't you show the facts that we are on the same (or worse) trajectory as Italy for new cases? Or how about the numbers showing hospitals running out of supplies? Or how we have less beds than Italy per capita?

My point is from the beginning you have taken the position we are all panicking or it is not that bad. You have been wrong at every turn but still keep it up.
I'm not trying to play with the numbers, I'm looking at what everyone is convinced is coming here and wondering if it's true. The number of cases is not what's worrisome about this virus, it's the number of deaths.

I didn't leave my house at all yesterday except to take out the garbage. My wife and kids took a walk to the mailbox.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: avromie7 on March 20, 2020, 10:04:07 AM
What is more important to you. The death rate in the US or the amount of people that will die from this virus?
They're both important, but considering that I live in the US that's what worries me the most.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on March 20, 2020, 10:05:51 AM
The number of cases is not what's worrisome about this virus, it's the number of deaths.
Then look at the curve for NUMBER of deaths. If we don't take drastic measures that is only going to get worse.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on March 20, 2020, 10:08:46 AM
I didn't leave my house at all yesterday except to take out the garbage. My wife and kids took a walk to the mailbox.
+1000000000000000000000000000
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: avromie7 on March 20, 2020, 10:27:33 AM
Then look at the curve for NUMBER of deaths. If we don't take drastic measures that is only going to get worse.
Look at the logarithmic chart, it took Italy 8 days to go from 10 to 100, and 8 days from 100 to 1000. It took the US 13 days to go from 10 to 100, and we're on day 3 of the trajectory from 100 to 1000. I am not trying to downplay the seriousness, I'm just trying to get to find the facts. There are enough people showing the worst case scenario that I don't need to.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on March 20, 2020, 10:40:40 AM
Look at the logarithmic chart, it took Italy 8 days to go from 10 to 100, and 8 days from 100 to 1000. It took the US 13 days to go from 10 to 100, and we're on day 3 of the trajectory from 100 to 1000. I am not trying to downplay the seriousness, I'm just trying to get to find the facts. There are enough people showing the worst case scenario that I don't need to.
Look at the trajectory of the US curve. Forget about everyone else. This is not rocket science to see where we are headed.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on March 20, 2020, 12:14:15 PM
Look at the logarithmic chart, it took Italy 8 days to go from 10 to 100, and 8 days from 100 to 1000. It took the US 13 days to go from 10 to 100, and we're on day 3 of the trajectory from 100 to 1000. I am not trying to downplay the seriousness, I'm just trying to get to find the facts. There are enough people showing the worst case scenario that I don't need to.
Why is doing better than the county with the most known deaths such a big thing? Keep in mind that Italy is Moore comparable to NY metro than the US
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: mercaz1 on March 20, 2020, 12:52:17 PM
how real is the second wave of reinfection and what does that mean for the rest of the year? will we all be at risk again of being reinfected?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: avromie7 on March 20, 2020, 01:07:37 PM
how real is the second wave of reinfection and what does that mean for the rest of the year? will we all be at risk again of being reinfected?
From what I've seen, there is shaky evidence of reinfection, and it may have been due to faulty test or not completely recovering before the second test is administered.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: dealfinder11 on March 21, 2020, 09:38:55 PM
https://medium.com/six-four-six-nine/evidence-over-hysteria-covid-19-1b767def5894
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: hvaces42 on March 21, 2020, 09:44:10 PM
https://medium.com/six-four-six-nine/evidence-over-hysteria-covid-19-1b767def5894
Not one metric is valid if it includes the numbers from China. Can we say that out loud already?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: etech0 on March 21, 2020, 09:46:17 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/21/politics/fda-coronavirus-test/index.html
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: dealfinder11 on March 21, 2020, 09:48:28 PM
Not one metric is valid if it includes the numbers from China. Can we say that out loud already?

or Iran. 100 percent agree.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: dealfinder11 on March 21, 2020, 09:54:13 PM
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Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: hvaces42 on March 21, 2020, 10:21:00 PM
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Right because all those people would have died anyway in the week since they contracted the virus.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: dealfinder11 on March 21, 2020, 10:22:02 PM
https://medium.com/six-four-six-nine/evidence-over-hysteria-covid-19-1b767def5894

?s=20
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: zevi on March 21, 2020, 10:22:47 PM
https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-wuhan-drops-checkpoints-20200321-hmgiloj5dfcevpn75q6uuz4dga-story.html
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ah giten on March 21, 2020, 10:24:31 PM
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ok so deduct the amount of deaths reported per week, and you have an accurate number.
500+ deaths a day, is just crazy.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: dealfinder11 on March 21, 2020, 10:26:27 PM
Right because all those people would have died anyway in the week since they contracted the virus.


if you consider that NY stats has so far shown that the average age of those contracting the virus is significantly younger, hopefully that would mean a lower death rate.

Also, looking for statistics on percent of tests that result is positives (from a real news source)
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ah giten on March 21, 2020, 10:29:00 PM

if you consider that NY stats has so far shown that the average age of those contracting the virus is significantly younger, hopefully that would mean a lower death rate.

luckily we had a pretty good heads up. and from the close circles I know, the older ppl are all locked in thier homes.
the older people here are taking things pretty seriously.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: dealfinder11 on March 21, 2020, 10:31:49 PM
luckily we had a pretty good heads up. and from the close circles I know, the older ppl are all locked in thier homes.
the older people here are taking things pretty seriously.
+1. Have 2 grandparents in upper 80s and neither have left their houses in a week
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: sguitarist18 on March 21, 2020, 10:39:54 PM
Right because all those people would have died anyway in the week since they contracted the virus.

Someone can have COVID-19 and simultaneously die from an unrelated issue. Many people have COVID-19 with no/minor symptoms, but if something else comes up and they go to the hospital, they're going to test positive.

Best/simplest way to check that (I guess) would be to compare average number of deaths with # of deaths during this time...although that still might not give an accurate picture, because with health system being overwhelmed, more people are likely to die from other causes anyway.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on March 21, 2020, 11:04:06 PM
Someone can have COVID-19 and simultaneously die from an unrelated issue. Many people have COVID-19 with no/minor symptoms, but if something else comes up and they go to the hospital, they're going to test positive.

Best/simplest way to check that (I guess) would be to compare average number of deaths with # of deaths during this time...although that still might not give an accurate picture, because with health system being overwhelmed, more people are likely to die from other causes anyway.
As of 4 days ago, death rate in Lombardy was up 80%. Keep in mind, the deaths per day doubled twice since then..

https://reason.com/2020/03/17/italian-daily-death-rate-up-20-because-of-coronavirus-lombardy-up-about-80/
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on March 21, 2020, 11:35:46 PM
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Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
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Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
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Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on March 21, 2020, 11:55:36 PM
1.19 in CLE.
$0.99 in KY
That's what it should be or less. How much is taxes in CLE?
Here we have 1.93/gal in taxes so the gas is actually .01  :)
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yesitsme on March 22, 2020, 12:06:56 AM
https://www.yiddish24.com/interviews/12/16029
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yesitsme on March 22, 2020, 12:07:37 AM
https://www.yiddish24.com/interviews/12/16029
@CountValentine you might pick up the Yiddish

note its not the simplified Chinese on the line its the traditional  ;)
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yitzgar on March 22, 2020, 12:22:44 AM
1.19 in CLE.
$0.99 in KY
Where in cle?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: zh cohen on March 22, 2020, 12:25:22 AM
https://www.yiddish24.com/interviews/12/16029

He mentions that they are running out (presumably referring to local pharmacies). Is that going to be a problem on a larger scale if others take his approach?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Dan on March 22, 2020, 12:26:38 AM
Where in cle?
http://www.clevelandgasprices.com/
http://www.kentuckygasprices.com/
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Dan on March 22, 2020, 12:26:50 AM
He mentions that they are running out (presumably referring to local pharmacies). Is that going to be a problem on a larger scale if others take his approach?
Yes.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ckmk47 on March 22, 2020, 12:38:23 AM

Also, looking for statistics on percent of tests that result is positives (from a real news source)
Anecdotally, the walk-in health center in BoroPark that tested 1000 people, had 100 positives.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yesitsme on March 22, 2020, 12:42:03 AM
Anecdotally, the walk-in health center in BoroPark that tested 1000 people, had 100 positives.
And then they where told no more tests by your facilities
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ah giten on March 22, 2020, 12:46:12 AM
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/general/1841715/watch-kiryas-joel-doctor-seeing-tremendous-positive-results-with-trump-approved-drug.html
I think he's an idiot for pushing this med to young and healthy people that would otherwsie be able to fight it.
as mentioned above.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Chapshnell on March 22, 2020, 01:06:11 AM
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/general/1841715/watch-kiryas-joel-doctor-seeing-tremendous-positive-results-with-trump-approved-drug.html

I see on twitter how a yiddishe patient who took what he describes that it didnt help & its getting worse & hes willing to try a trial thing if anyone can help him. I know its only 1 person but its not a given that this works 
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ilherman on March 22, 2020, 01:17:58 AM
I see on twitter how a yiddishe patient who took what he describes that it didnt help & its getting worse & hes willing to try a trial thing if anyone can help him. I know its only 1 person but its not a given that this works
Link?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ilherman on March 22, 2020, 01:18:45 AM
I think he's an idiot for pushing this med to young and healthy people that would otherwsie be able to fight it.
as mentioned above.
I believe he specifically said he is giving it to complicated cases.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Dan on March 22, 2020, 01:30:02 AM
I believe he specifically said he is giving it to complicated cases.
Not what he said.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 22, 2020, 01:32:03 AM
The guy is a complete idiot.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yitzgar on March 22, 2020, 01:34:02 AM
Please refrain from talking like this
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ah giten on March 22, 2020, 01:40:00 AM
I think he's an idiot for pushing this med to young and healthy people that would otherwsie be able to fight it.
as mentioned above.
wondering if prescribing this is even legal/punishable?
If yes he's even a bigger idiot for putting this out.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Shmobaum on March 22, 2020, 02:06:37 AM
wondering if prescribing this is even legal/punishable?
If yes he's even a bigger idiot for putting this out.
What do you know about medicine??? How dare you talk like that about a real experienced doctor!!??
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 22, 2020, 02:29:15 AM
What do you know about medicine??? How dare you talk like that about a real experienced doctor!!??
He's already proven himself to be a complete idiot by claiming that since 9/14 tests were positive 90% of KJ is positive.

As the Orange County health director pointed out, 9/14 is 64% not 90%, and anyways tests are being collected from people who are sick and/or suspected for the virus, and the percentage that are testing positive is in no way representative of the general KJ population.

It's sad that Jewish news sites are publicizing his drivel and humiliating all of us by extension.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ilherman on March 22, 2020, 02:39:59 AM
Not what he said.
He said from severe to moderate cases. Whatever that means. It's obviously not a perfect miracle with 100% success rate. Look at eli beer. Thursday he was saying he started the drug and is doing better and he got worse and is on  a respirator now
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ckmk47 on March 22, 2020, 06:46:35 AM
What are the side effects of this "miracle" drug? Do some people have such harmful side effects that it should only be given in the cases of strongest need?  Or give it to everyone so they can all get liver failure, ch"v?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 22, 2020, 07:52:20 AM
This is all leaning on a French study of 26 patients. 6 of which didnít make it to the end. So itís based on about 5 patients that recovered more than the control group.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 22, 2020, 07:53:58 AM
?s=21

Read thread and replies
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: hvaces42 on March 22, 2020, 08:59:19 AM
I think he's an idiot for pushing this med to young and healthy people that would otherwsie be able to fight it.
as mentioned above.
"
My family knows this person...
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: avromie7 on March 22, 2020, 10:02:19 AM
What are the side effects of this "miracle" drug? Do some people have such harmful side effects that it should only be given in the cases of strongest need?  Or give it to everyone so they can all get liver failure, ch"v?
The reason there's such a push for this drug is because it's already been rigorously tested so the side affects are known.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on March 22, 2020, 10:06:57 AM
The reason there's such a push for this drug is because it's already been rigorously tested so the side affects are known.
Please state your source.
Are the side effects the same when using it to treat different disease? Are the side effects the same when using in in different dosages or in combination with another drug?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on March 22, 2020, 10:14:58 AM
Anecdotally, I personally know someone who was in very bad shape last week, was given this, and has shown tremendous improvement. Of course it can be unrelated and means nothing, hence the term ďanecdotallyĒ.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on March 22, 2020, 10:15:55 AM
Anecdotally, I personally know someone who was in very bad shape last week, was given this, and has shown tremendous improvement. Of course it can be unrelated and means nothing, hence the term ďanecdotallyĒ.
Thanks for honest view.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: luckyluck on March 22, 2020, 10:20:19 AM
?s=21

Read thread and replies

This twitter thread talks about hydroxychloroquine together with azithromycin. Most of the critics are against using azithromycin.
This KJ doctor has been using hydroxychloroquine together with zinc.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ilherman on March 22, 2020, 10:37:13 AM
"
My family knows this person...
Read the thread. Seems like a fake account. Was posted Shabbos morning...
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 22, 2020, 10:46:09 AM
Read the thread. Seems like a fake account. Was posted Shabbos morning...
You don't understand why he posted on Shabbos?

I don't know if the tweet is true or not, but I know first hand that he is in the hospital. Yissacher Chaim ben Esther Malka.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 22, 2020, 10:47:20 AM
?s=20
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yesitsme on March 22, 2020, 12:16:33 PM
Read the thread. Seems like a fake account. Was posted Shabbos morning...

From I heard,  he's a frum guy who opened this account and tweeted on shabbos bc he felt it was פיקוח נפש

Hes nebach in critical condition now
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: YitzyS on March 22, 2020, 04:24:59 PM
From I heard,  he's a frum guy who opened this account and tweeted on shabbos bc he felt it was פיקוח נפש

Hes nebach in critical condition now
The following is a quote from Rabbi Yisroel Reisman's Parsha sheet that was distributed before Shabbos, courtesy of @Yehudaa https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=115030.msg2215083#msg2215083

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We Daven for Yeshuos for all those who are ill including Yissacher Ben Esther Malka who was just rushed to the hospital, that Dr. Yissacher Greenberg will have a Refuah Shíleima Bíkarov amongst Shar Cholei Yisrael, among Shar Cholim in general.
Seems like the name Chaim was added since.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: flyingace on March 22, 2020, 04:41:38 PM
Read the thread. Seems like a fake account. Was posted Shabbos morning...
NOT! He is a doctor from Far Rockaway in the hospital since last week. As others have said Yisochor Chaim ben Esther Malka.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: hvaces42 on March 22, 2020, 04:48:43 PM
NOT! He is a doctor from Far Rockaway in the hospital since last week. As others have said Yisochor Chaim ben Esther Malka.
The story is true. We know him well. My family used him and he is best friends with my wife's boss. No one can confirm that he wrote the tweet though. No one is talking because that is not whats important. What is Important is to pressure the pharmaceutical companies to release the meds for compassionate use. 
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: A3 on March 22, 2020, 07:17:48 PM
Harvey Weinstein tested positive
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: hvaces42 on March 22, 2020, 07:23:45 PM
Per Dr. Greenberg's family he is doing a bit better Boruch Hashem!
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ah giten on March 22, 2020, 07:29:35 PM
Harvey Weinstein tested positive
so this is posted in the good news thread....
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: hvaces42 on March 22, 2020, 07:30:59 PM
Harvey Weinstein tested positive
Seen on Twitter cant find it now...

The Clintons are now resorting to biological weapons...
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on March 22, 2020, 07:31:53 PM
Harvey Weinstein tested positive
so this is posted in the good news thread....
Not sure how to take this.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on March 22, 2020, 07:34:12 PM
so this is posted in the good news thread....

Nah, he has a few more trial to be found guilty first.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ltttc on March 22, 2020, 07:37:19 PM
Nah, he has a few more trial to be found guilty first.
Both wouldn't hurt >:(
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: A3 on March 22, 2020, 07:41:59 PM
Seen on Twitter cant find it now...

The Clintons are now resorting to biological weapons...
?s=21
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yitzf on March 22, 2020, 08:55:45 PM
500k N95 masks on the way to NY and Seattle

?s=20
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: how on March 22, 2020, 09:04:08 PM
500k N95 masks on the way to NY and Seattle

?s=20
How do we get them... :'(
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: good sam on March 22, 2020, 09:10:03 PM
I cleaned my car for pesach and I'm confident it will stay clean for the next three weeks. Good news!
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on March 22, 2020, 09:13:41 PM
Amazon is giving their employees double time instead 1 1/2 for overtime. This is on top of a temp $2 raise and $4 if they volunteer to help out Whole Foods.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yungermanchik on March 22, 2020, 09:27:18 PM
I cleaned my car for pesach and I'm confident it will stay clean for the next three weeks. Good news!
Same here
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ual902 on March 23, 2020, 12:40:04 AM
I have symptoms, just ate raw garlic and it did wonders, feel much better.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ltttc on March 23, 2020, 12:41:07 AM
I have symptoms, just ate raw garlic and it did wonders.
Seriously?!? I absolutely love garlic!!!
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: EliJelly on March 23, 2020, 12:43:06 AM
I have symptoms, just ate raw garlic and it did wonders, feel much better.
Eating garlic does wonders with social distancing :)

But great to hear, garlic is a known immune booster.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ltttc on March 23, 2020, 12:46:25 AM
Eating garlic does wonders with social distancing :)
Perfect! Then I'll be eating lots of 'em
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ual902 on March 23, 2020, 12:57:41 AM
Perfect! Then I'll be eating lots of 'em

Go slow on the raw Garlic, not to much in one day.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: YitzyS on March 23, 2020, 06:21:28 AM
I have symptoms, just ate raw garlic and it did wonders, feel much better.
Chazal say that garlic heals.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on March 23, 2020, 10:34:10 AM
Amazon is giving their employees double time instead 1 1/2 for overtime. This is on top of a temp $2 raise and $4 if they volunteer to help out Whole Foods.

Labor supply/demand considering the risks.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on March 23, 2020, 10:34:58 AM
500k N95 masks on the way to NY and Seattle



Your caption says masks but the tweet seems to say respirators. 500k respirators?!

ETA: Today I learned that face masks are called ďtemporary respiratorsĒ, please tell me Iím not the only one who only realized this now.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Ergel on March 23, 2020, 10:39:47 AM
Your caption says masks but the tweet seems to say respirators. 500k respirators?!

ETA: Today I learned that face masks are called ďtemporary respiratorsĒ, please tell me Iím not the only one who only realized this now.
That explains it. I had no idea what was going on
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on March 23, 2020, 10:44:29 AM
That explains it. I had no idea what was going on

If RĒL 35m respirators were needed, there wouldnít be enough medical personnel to man even 1% of them.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on March 23, 2020, 10:54:15 AM
Your caption says masks but the tweet seems to say respirators. 500k respirators?!

ETA: Today I learned that face masks are called ďtemporary respiratorsĒ, please tell me Iím not the only one who only realized this now.
There are all types of masks. Surgical masks are not respirator types.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yuneeq on March 23, 2020, 11:10:26 AM
Your caption says masks but the tweet seems to say respirators. 500k respirators?!

ETA: Today I learned that face masks are called ďtemporary respiratorsĒ, please tell me Iím not the only one who only realized this now.

They're known as disposable respirators
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: sddd on March 23, 2020, 11:13:24 AM
https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-03-22/coronavirus-outbreak-nobel-laureate

Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: zale on March 23, 2020, 11:25:19 AM
https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-03-22/coronavirus-outbreak-nobel-laureate

Can you copy and paste the full article? It's behind a paywall.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: avromie7 on March 23, 2020, 11:30:27 AM
Can you copy and paste the full article? It's behind a paywall.
Why this Nobel laureate predicts a quicker coronavirus recovery: ĎWeíre going to be fineí

By Joe MozingoStaff Writer
March 22, 2020
2:03 PM

Michael Levitt, a Nobel laureate and Stanford biophysicist, began analyzing the number of COVID-19 cases worldwide in January and correctly calculated that China would get through the worst of its coronavirus outbreak long before many health experts had predicted.

Now he foresees a similar outcome in the United States and the rest of the world.

While many epidemiologists are warning of months, or even years, of massive social disruption and millions of deaths, Levitt says the data simply donít support such a dire scenario ó especially in areas where reasonable social distancing measures are in place.

ďWhat we need is to control the panic,Ē he said. In the grand scheme, ďweíre going to be fine.Ē

Hereís what Levitt noticed in China: On Jan. 31, the country had 46 new deaths due to the novel coronavirus, compared with 42 new deaths the day before.

Although the number of daily deaths had increased, the rate of that increase had begun to ease off. Essentially, although the car was still speeding up, it was not accelerating as rapidly as before.

ďThis suggests that the rate of increase in number of the deaths will slow down even more over the next week,Ē Levitt wrote in a report he sent to friends Feb. 1 that was widely shared on Chinese social media. And soon, he predicted, the number of deaths would be decreasing every day.

Three weeks later, Levitt told the China Daily News that the virusí rate of growth had peaked. He predicted that the total number of confirmed COVID-19 cases in China would end up around 80,000, with about 3,250 deaths.

This forecast turned out to be remarkably accurate: As of March 16, China had counted a total of 80,298 cases and 3,245 deaths ó in a nation of nearly 1.4 billion people where roughly 10 million die every year. The number of newly diagnosed patients has dropped to around 25 a day, with no cases of community spread reported since Wednesday.

Now Levitt, who received the 2013 Nobel Prize in chemistry for developing complex models of chemical systems, is seeing similar turning points in other nations, even ones that did not instill the draconian isolation measures that China did.

He analyzed 78 countries with more than 50 reported cases of COVID-19 every day and sees ďsigns of recovery.Ē Heís not looking at cumulative cases, but the number of new cases every day ó and the percentage growth in that number from one day to the next.

In Iran, for instance, the number of newly confirmed COVID-19 cases remained relatively flat last week, from 1,133 on Monday to 1,148 on Friday.

Of course, recovering from an initial outbreak doesnít mean the virus wonít come back: China is now fighting to stop new waves of infection coming in from places where the virus is spreading out of control. Other countries are bound to face the same problem as well.

Levitt acknowledges that his figures are messy, and that the official case counts in many areas are too low because testing is spotty. But even with incomplete data, ďa consistent decline means thereís some factor at work that is not just noise in the numbers,Ē he said.

The trajectory of deaths backs up his findings, he said. So do data from outbreaks in confined environments, such as the one on the Diamond Princess cruise ship. Out of 3,711 people on board, 712 were infected and eight died. In his view, this unintended experiment in coronavirus spread will help researchers estimate the number of fatalities that would occur in a fully infected population.

Levitt said the social-distancing mandates are critical ó particularly the ban on large gatherings ó because the virus is so new that the population has no immunity to it and a vaccine is still many months away. ďThis is not the time to go out drinking with your buddies.Ē

Getting vaccinated against the flu is important because a coronavirus outbreak that strikes in the middle of a flu epidemic is much more likely to overwhelm hospitals and increases the odds that the coronavirus goes undetected. This was probably a factor in Italy, a country with a strong anti-vaccine movement, he said.

But he also blames the media for causing unnecessary panic by focusing on the relentless increase in the cumulative number of cases and spotlighting celebrities who contract the virus. By contrast, the flu has sickened 36 million Americans since September and killed an estimated 22,000, according to the CDC, but those deaths are largely unreported.

He fears the public health measures that have shut down large swaths of the economy could cause their own health catastrophe, as lost jobs lead to poverty and hopelessness. Time and again, researchers have seen that suicide rates go up when the economy spirals down.

The virus can grow exponentially only when it is undetected and no one is acting to control it, Levitt said. Thatís what happened in South Korea, when it ripped through a closed-off cult that refused to report the illness.

ďPeople need to be considered heroes for announcing they have this virus,Ē he said.

The goal needs to be better early detection ó not just through testing but perhaps with body temperature surveillance, which China is implementing ó and immediate social isolation.

While the COVID-19 fatality rate appears to be significantly higher than that of the flu, Levitt says it is quite simply put, ďnot the end of the world.Ē

Based on the experience of the Diamond Princess, he estimates that being exposed to the new coronavirus doubles a personís risk of dying in the next two months. However, most people have an extremely low risk of death in a two-month period, and that risk remains extremely low even when doubled.

ďThe real situation is not as nearly as terrible as they make it out to be,Ē he said.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: chevron on March 23, 2020, 11:47:33 AM
This is certainly great news. however,

See how he emphasises social distancing

New York City is way behind, the outbreak has mushroomed .

I'm sure there was hope if there can be containment.

How many korbanos will it cost?

Basically they have to stop the spread. They need to have enough supplies to deal with the sick people, assuming and hoping for medicine help and treatment.

NY and NJ is spread way more than China.

Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on March 23, 2020, 01:30:46 PM
New York City is way behind...
Coast to coast we are way behind. Just look at your moron governor keeping the beaches open.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Dan on March 23, 2020, 02:36:33 PM
Italy new deaths and new cases have dropped for 2 days in a row.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: etech0 on March 23, 2020, 02:37:38 PM
Quote
Vitamin D May help Prevent Contracting Coronavirus
Former CDC Chief Dr. Tom Frieden Tells Fox News - Coronavirus Risk May Be Reduced By Vitamin D: As we race to develop effective treatments and a vaccine against COVID-19, people are looking to reduce their risk of getting sick. One thing that might help is as obvious as the sun in the sky and as close as your medicine cabinet Ė Vitamin D.



Higher COVID-19 mortality rates among older people and those with chronic conditions suggest that a weakened immune system contributes to poor outcomes. There are many crackpot claims about miracle cures floating around, but the science supports the possibility Ė although not the proof Ė that Vitamin D may strengthen the immune system, particularly of people whose Vitamin D levels are low.



Vitamin D supplementation reduces the risk of respiratory infection, regulates cytokine production and can limit the risk of other viruses such as influenza. A respiratory infection can result in cytokine storms Ė a vicious cycle in which our inflammatory cells damage organs throughout the body Ė which increase mortality for those with COVID-19. Adequate Vitamin D may potentially provide some modest protection for vulnerable populations.

Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: chevron on March 23, 2020, 03:01:44 PM
Coast to coast we are way behind. Just look at your moron governor keeping the beaches open.

But vitamin d and sunshine is good for you ;)
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Luvisrael on March 23, 2020, 06:56:36 PM
How nice!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8143507/Taliban-pledges-not-kill-healthcare-workers-fear-coronavirus-spreads-Afghanistan.html
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yitzgar on March 23, 2020, 08:40:10 PM
How nice!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8143507/Taliban-pledges-not-kill-healthcare-workers-fear-coronavirus-spreads-Afghanistan.html
Hold my beer.....I'll be right over!
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Dan on March 23, 2020, 08:47:06 PM
Hold my Corona.....I'll be right over!
ftfy
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: good sam on March 23, 2020, 11:59:45 PM
I have not had a cigarette in 8 days
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Luvisrael on March 24, 2020, 12:16:18 AM
I have not had a cigarette in 8 days
good for you. Prob bad for others ;)
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: good sam on March 24, 2020, 12:21:59 AM
good for you. Prob bad for others ;)
Na I'm fine, I'm not heavily dependent on them. I'm glad I was forced to stop temporarily because I'm concerned about the capacity of my lungs to withstand the virus
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ltttc on March 24, 2020, 12:26:28 AM
Na I'm fine, I'm not heavily dependent on them. I'm glad I was forced to stop temporarily because I'm concerned about the capacity of my lungs to withstand the virus
Good for you! Don't know who you are but I'm cheering you on and proud of u!
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: TimT on March 24, 2020, 12:29:04 AM
On this note: Much less second-hand smoke around
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: good sam on March 24, 2020, 12:29:36 AM
Good for you! Don't know who you are but I'm cheering you on and proud of u!
Lol thanks
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: chevron on March 24, 2020, 12:31:52 AM
https://wsvn.com/news/us-world/satellite-images-show-less-pollution-over-the-us-as-coronavirus-shuts-down-public-places/
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: chevron on March 24, 2020, 12:32:14 AM
This should also help people breathe better :)
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: TimT on March 24, 2020, 12:33:05 AM
https://wsvn.com/news/us-world/satellite-images-show-less-pollution-over-the-us-as-coronavirus-shuts-down-public-places/
Awesome. When does the Milky Way reappear ?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: chevron on March 24, 2020, 12:39:27 AM
Awesome. When does the Milky Way reappear ?

I was just thinking that today.

I was also wondering if climate nuts think this is all nature punishing us ;)

But certainly the world has gone over darker, air quality better is always good.

I understand about the economy. Hopefully this will start a trend that we will have cleaner air.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: cgr on March 24, 2020, 12:43:08 AM
Awesome. When does the Milky Way reappear ?
That's light pollution. Won't see it unless we have a blackout...
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: shmielyosef on March 24, 2020, 12:46:26 AM
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Wrong thread, but when I saw this cartoon I thought it was referring to Trump's 2016 campaign...
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: avromie7 on March 24, 2020, 02:18:08 PM
Italy new deaths and new cases have dropped for 2 days in a row.
Back up again. Number of cases is higher than yesterday but lower than the 2 prior days, number of deaths is higher than the past 2 days but lower than 3 days ago.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ari3 on March 24, 2020, 02:31:27 PM
Most of our communities have been more or less quarantined since Thursday or so. While unfortunately there are a number of serious cases (and even deaths ל"ע) and many many people have less severe cases, still I think it's not nearly as bad as the doomsday predictions were.
One would think with most people being in quarantine for 5 days or so we should be peaking with the new cases soon.
Just my thoughts fwiw.
Refua sheleima to all
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on March 24, 2020, 02:36:21 PM
https://www.ft.com/content/5ff6469a-6dd8-11ea-89df-41bea055720b (https://www.ft.com/content/5ff6469a-6dd8-11ea-89df-41bea055720b)
The main point is that the, although the effects of the virus are severe for many, Oxford U researchers feel that it has spread MUCH more than we are hearing and that this is a good thing. By it having spread so much it can cause herd immunity which can help bring down the virus.
(All those who shun vaccines because they "are not animals in a herd" are welcome to remain quarantined for longer)
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Dan on March 24, 2020, 02:38:37 PM
https://www.ft.com/content/5ff6469a-6dd8-11ea-89df-41bea055720b
Paywall
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: avromie7 on March 24, 2020, 02:40:22 PM
Paywall
The new coronavirus may already have infected far more people in the UK than scientists had previously estimated ó perhaps as much as half the population ó according to modelling by researchers at the University of Oxford.

If the results are confirmed, they imply that fewer than one in a thousand of those infected with Covid-19 become ill enough to need hospital treatment, said Sunetra Gupta, professor of theoretical epidemiology, who led the study. The vast majority develop very mild symptoms or none at all.

ďWe need immediately to begin large-scale serological surveys ó antibody testing ó to assess what stage of the epidemic we are in now,Ē she said.

The modelling by Oxfordís Evolutionary Ecology of Infectious Disease group indicates that Covid-19 reached the UK by mid-January at the latest. Like many emerging infections, it spread invisibly for more than a month before the first transmissions within the UK were officially recorded at the end of February.

The research presents a very different view of the epidemic to the modelling at Imperial College London, which has strongly influenced government policy. ďI am surprised that there has been such unqualified acceptance of the Imperial model,Ē said Prof Gupta.

However, she was reluctant to criticise the government for shutting down the country to suppress viral spread, because the accuracy of the Oxford model has not yet been confirmed and, even if it is correct, social distancing will reduce the number of people becoming seriously ill and relieve severe pressure on the NHS during the peak of the epidemic.

The Oxford study is based on a what is known as a ďsusceptibility-infected-recovered modelĒ of Covid-19, built up from case and death reports from the UK and Italy. The researchers made what they regard as the most plausible assumptions about the behaviour of the virus.

The modelling brings back into focus ďherd immunityĒ, the idea that the virus will stop spreading when enough people have become resistant to it because they have already been infected. The government abandoned its unofficial herd immunity strategy ó allowing controlled spread of infection ó after its scientific advisers said this would swamp the National Health Service with critically ill patients.

But the Oxford results would mean the country had already acquired substantial herd immunity through the unrecognised spread of Covid-19 over more than two months. If the findings are confirmed by testing, then the current restrictions could be removed much sooner than ministers have indicated.

Although some experts have shed doubt on the strength and length of the human immune response to the virus, Prof Gupta said the emerging evidence made her confident that humanity would build up herd immunity against Covid-19.

To provide the necessary evidence, the Oxford group is working with colleagues at the Universities of Cambridge and Kent to start antibody testing on the general population as soon as possible, using specialised ďneutralisation assays which provide reliable readout of protective immunity,Ē Prof Gupta said. They hope to start testing later this week and obtain preliminary results within a few days.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on March 24, 2020, 02:43:35 PM
Paywall
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Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Dan on March 24, 2020, 02:58:59 PM
https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-chrome
https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-firefox
Thanks
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: YossieW on March 24, 2020, 04:51:11 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/the-coronavirus-isnt-mutating-quickly-suggesting-a-vaccine-would-offer-lasting-protection/2020/03/24/406522d6-6dfd-11ea-b148-e4ce3fbd85b5_story.html
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: dealfinder11 on March 24, 2020, 11:38:37 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/the-coronavirus-isnt-mutating-quickly-suggesting-a-vaccine-would-offer-lasting-protection/2020/03/24/406522d6-6dfd-11ea-b148-e4ce3fbd85b5_story.html

Excuse my medical ignorance, but would this mean that herd immunity would prove effective? Once you get it you can't get it again?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: dealfinder11 on March 24, 2020, 11:39:12 PM
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Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on March 25, 2020, 11:39:28 AM
https://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2020/03/video-hydroxychloroquine-for-coronavirus-critical-information-that-you-wont-get-elsewhere-dr-rich-roberts.html#more-234968

(For anyone unfamiliar, he is a Lakewood local who has been a pharmaceutical researcher and executive)
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: chevron on March 25, 2020, 02:43:30 PM
This study is showing that many more than we thought are infected and at the symptoms are mostly nothing are encouraging but I feel that this gives people false sense of freedom.

First and foremost like we discussed in the past that it is targeting people who otherwise were thought healthy and they are struggling and that doesn't include the elderly or people with underlying medical conditions

Also I would probably say that we could go back to normal if we had the proper facilities to treat people who are going to get infected in masses

I have a lot of unanswered questions
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: jose34 on March 25, 2020, 04:33:00 PM
How quarantining works - Chief Rabbi of Beijing: Things are getting back to normal

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/277806
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: jose34 on March 25, 2020, 04:34:11 PM
https://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2020/03/video-hydroxychloroquine-for-coronavirus-critical-information-that-you-wont-get-elsewhere-dr-rich-roberts.html#more-234968

(For anyone unfamiliar, he is a Lakewood local who has been a pharmaceutical researcher and executive)

Can you summarize? Its a long video....  :-\
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Ergel on March 25, 2020, 05:36:48 PM
How quarantining works - Chief Rabbi of Beijing: Things are getting back to normal

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/277806

Quote
We asked Rabbi Freundlich if the warmer spring weather is partially responsible for the improved situation. ďWell, to an extent, the virus is like a food item that can be preserved in the refrigerator but spoils if left out. When a virus is in cooler surroundings, it finds it easier to take hold, and when itís warmer, itís harder for it to survive outside a human host. Similarly, if someone coughs or sneezes when the weatherís cold, the virus can remain suspended in the air for up to sixty seconds. When itís warmer, it falls to the ground much more quickly. But that doesnít mean that the dangerís over,Ē he warns. ďItís still around, and we still have to be careful.Ē
::) I guess now he is a viral disease expert?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: incendia on March 25, 2020, 06:00:39 PM
The new coronavirus may already have infected far more people in the UK than scientists had previously estimated ó perhaps as much as half the population ó according to modelling by researchers at the University of Oxford.


If it infected the 1st half of the population without overwhelming the ICU's than there is no reason to believe the 2nd half of the population will overwhelm the ICU's.

This wasn't the case for Italy and it doesn't look like the case for NY. I doubt the UK will be different.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yuneeq on March 25, 2020, 08:13:05 PM
If it infected the 1st half of the population without overwhelming the ICU's than there is no reason to believe the 2nd half of the population will overwhelm the ICU's.

This wasn't the case for Italy and it doesn't look like the case for NY. I doubt the UK will be different.

+100

The study is very perplexing. The numbers they claim would make it 15x fewer hospitalizations than the flu. Reality is not painting that picture in ICUs across the world, I donít care what their broken calculator says. Also we have data from the Diamond Princess (letís assume the entire cruise was infected) - 11 deaths and dozens of hospitalizations - still much higher than their projections. We also have South Korea data - theyíve basically contained the virus through a lot of testing including many asymptotic cases, and their fatality rate is at 1.4%. If in fact they werenít finding a lot of asymptomatic people, the virus wouldnít be able to be contained.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: chevron on March 25, 2020, 08:28:37 PM
::) I guess now he is a viral disease expert?

Lol I was thinking the same
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: chevron on March 25, 2020, 08:30:26 PM
+100

The study is very perplexing. The numbers they claim would make it 15x fewer hospitalizations than the flu. Reality is not painting that picture in ICUs across the world, I donít care what their broken calculator says. Also we have data from the Diamond Princess (letís assume the entire cruise was infected) - 11 deaths and dozens of hospitalizations - still much higher than their projections. We also have South Korea data - theyíve basically contained the virus through a lot of testing including many asymptotic cases, and their fatality rate is at 1.4%. If in fact they werenít finding a lot of asymptomatic people, the virus wouldnít be able to be contained.

Also I would like to see what the average length of stay for patients is.

If xx % got infected, saying that okay big deal we are going to let the other half of the population get infected even if this were accurate this doesn't account for the fact that the hospitals are already overloaded and what do you do with the first half of the patients when the second half get infected?

And what about all the sick first responders and doctors? Where you going to come up with more doctors?

what about all the exhausted first responders and doctors who don't want to keep doing this for the next year non-stop?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: chevron on March 25, 2020, 08:31:16 PM
I'm sure the people writing these studies are very smart but it doesn't paint a real picture and it's one reason why I felt people didn't take it seriously and people still don't take it seriously.

Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: hvaces42 on March 25, 2020, 09:18:47 PM
If it infected the 1st half of the population without overwhelming the ICU's than there is no reason to believe the 2nd half of the population will overwhelm the ICU's.

This wasn't the case for Italy and it doesn't look like the case for NY. I doubt the UK will be different.
WHAT ROCK ARE YOU LIVING UNDER?  >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on March 25, 2020, 09:18:58 PM
https://www.ghs.org/healthcenter/ghsblog/prisma-health-ventilator-covid19/
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ckmk47 on March 25, 2020, 09:22:22 PM


 Also we have data from the Diamond Princess (letís assume the entire cruise was infected) - 11 deaths and dozens of hospitalizations - still much higher than their projections.
Cruises have a high percentage of high risk passengers.  Higher than the general population.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: hvaces42 on March 25, 2020, 09:23:07 PM
I was in the Javits Center storage area today. They are really gearing up. Saw hundreds of beds, pallets of PPE and hundreds of ventilators that were still in the storage area.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: incendia on March 25, 2020, 09:45:49 PM
WHAT ROCK ARE YOU LIVING UNDER?  >:( >:( >:( >:(

I think you are missunderstanding me.

The article suggested a statistical analysts that half the UK population already had the virus and have immunity. I'm saying that doesn't make because their ICU's would be overwhelmed like Italy's.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yuneeq on March 25, 2020, 10:02:26 PM
Cruises have a high percentage of high risk passengers.  Higher than the general population.

Flu = 14 hospitalizations and 1.2 deaths per 1000 people
Corona according to Oxford = Less than 1 hospitalization and 0.1 deaths per 1000 people

The US population of 62+ is about 15%, or 150/1000. Letís pretend the boat has 75% above 62, including all the crew mates and everyone is infected. We end up with about 4-5 hospitalizations and 0.5 deaths/1000. Multiply by 3.7 (cruise capacity is 3,700) and you have 18 hospitalizations and 1.8 deaths/1000.

So even the most wildest exaggerations of the elderly population and infected count, were still 6-10x lower than reality.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on March 25, 2020, 10:29:56 PM
Flu = 14 hospitalizations and 1.2 deaths per 1000 people
Corona according to Oxford = Less than 1 hospitalization and 0.1 deaths per 1000 people
Do you have them reversed?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yuneeq on March 25, 2020, 10:32:41 PM
Do you have them reversed?

No, Oxford university does.
Read their study your jaw will drop.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on March 25, 2020, 10:33:56 PM
No, Oxford university does.
Ouch!
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on March 25, 2020, 10:44:21 PM
If it infected the 1st half of the population without overwhelming the ICU's than there is no reason to believe the 2nd half of the population will overwhelm the ICU's.

This wasn't the case for Italy and it doesn't look like the case for NY. I doubt the UK will be different.

Overwhelming the ICUs could have more to do with their current capacity than the percentage infected. If ICUs are at 99% then whomever else will get infected is likely to cross the 100% threshold...
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on March 25, 2020, 10:48:11 PM
Flu = 14 hospitalizations and 1.2 deaths per 1000 people
Corona according to Oxford = Less than 1 hospitalization and 0.1 deaths per 1000 people

The US population of 62+ is about 15%, or 150/1000. Letís pretend the boat has 75% above 62, including all the crew mates and everyone is infected. We end up with about 4-5 hospitalizations and 0.5 deaths/1000. Multiply by 3.7 (cruise capacity is 3,700) and you have 18 hospitalizations and 1.8 deaths/1000.

So even the most wildest exaggerations of the elderly population and infected count, were still 6-10x lower than reality.

Unfortunately not everyone who tested positive from the cruise is out of the hospital and in the clear yet.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: dealfinder11 on March 25, 2020, 11:08:14 PM
The new coronavirus may already have infected far more people in the UK than scientists had previously estimated ó perhaps as much as half the population ó according to modelling by researchers at the University of Oxford.

If the results are confirmed, they imply that fewer than one in a thousand of those infected with Covid-19 become ill enough to need hospital treatment, said Sunetra Gupta, professor of theoretical epidemiology, who led the study. The vast majority develop very mild symptoms or none at all.

ďWe need immediately to begin large-scale serological surveys ó antibody testing ó to assess what stage of the epidemic we are in now,Ē she said.

The modelling by Oxfordís Evolutionary Ecology of Infectious Disease group indicates that Covid-19 reached the UK by mid-January at the latest. Like many emerging infections, it spread invisibly for more than a month before the first transmissions within the UK were officially recorded at the end of February.

The research presents a very different view of the epidemic to the modelling at Imperial College London, which has strongly influenced government policy. ďI am surprised that there has been such unqualified acceptance of the Imperial model,Ē said Prof Gupta.

However, she was reluctant to criticise the government for shutting down the country to suppress viral spread, because the accuracy of the Oxford model has not yet been confirmed and, even if it is correct, social distancing will reduce the number of people becoming seriously ill and relieve severe pressure on the NHS during the peak of the epidemic.

The Oxford study is based on a what is known as a ďsusceptibility-infected-recovered modelĒ of Covid-19, built up from case and death reports from the UK and Italy. The researchers made what they regard as the most plausible assumptions about the behaviour of the virus.

The modelling brings back into focus ďherd immunityĒ, the idea that the virus will stop spreading when enough people have become resistant to it because they have already been infected. The government abandoned its unofficial herd immunity strategy ó allowing controlled spread of infection ó after its scientific advisers said this would swamp the National Health Service with critically ill patients.

But the Oxford results would mean the country had already acquired substantial herd immunity through the unrecognised spread of Covid-19 over more than two months. If the findings are confirmed by testing, then the current restrictions could be removed much sooner than ministers have indicated.

Although some experts have shed doubt on the strength and length of the human immune response to the virus, Prof Gupta said the emerging evidence made her confident that humanity would build up herd immunity against Covid-19.

To provide the necessary evidence, the Oxford group is working with colleagues at the Universities of Cambridge and Kent to start antibody testing on the general population as soon as possible, using specialised ďneutralisation assays which provide reliable readout of protective immunity,Ē Prof Gupta said. They hope to start testing later this week and obtain preliminary results within a few days.

how do you reconcile this with the fact that the majority of people tested in highly infected areas who test positive is still well below 50 percent?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: sam28 on March 25, 2020, 11:09:31 PM
Because most who I know don't get tested.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: dealfinder11 on March 25, 2020, 11:19:08 PM
Because most who I know don't get tested.

I don't believe you are not understanding. Among those that get tested, meaning they have all the symptoms and then some (depending on state requirements), the actual amount of tests that result in a positive is fairly low. In New jersey it's 29 percent (up from 27 percent yesterday). And Jersey has had some of the strictest testing requirements. Israel is around 9 percent.

The data on this website is not perfect (it acknowledges the quality of the data state by state), but it should give you a general idea.

https://covidtracking.com/data/#NJ

So unless you think there is a conceivable reason that the public that has not been tested, has a higher percentage of people who have Covid-19 than the people who actually got tested, that is a totally irrelevant fact.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: etech0 on March 25, 2020, 11:22:07 PM
It's possible that people who are pretty certain that they have it don't bother testing. I know some like that. I can't speak for percentages but it's a possibility.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: dealfinder11 on March 25, 2020, 11:23:13 PM
It's possible that people who are pretty certain that they have it don't bother testing. I know some like that. I can't speak for percentages but it's a possibility.

So unless you think there is a conceivable reason that the public that has not been tested, has a higher percentage of people who have Covid-19 than the people who actually got tested, that is a totally irrelevant fact.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: etech0 on March 25, 2020, 11:25:25 PM
I am not getting involved in any argument, just bringing up a point!
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: dealfinder11 on March 25, 2020, 11:40:00 PM
I am not getting involved in any argument, just bringing up a point!

Not trying to argue. Trying to get to what real and whats fake with all the noise going on. If someone could enlighten me with something that fits with the hard facts, it would be greatly appreciated. 
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yuneeq on March 25, 2020, 11:52:01 PM
The problem with this thread is that a lot of the good news is easy to doubt or disprove, and so that's what ends up happening. How do we keep it just positive?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: etech0 on March 25, 2020, 11:53:37 PM
Not trying to argue. Trying to get to what real and whats fake with all the noise going on. If someone could enlighten me with something that fits with the hard facts, it would be greatly appreciated.
Maybe someone but not me :)
The problem with this thread is that a lot of the good news is easy to doubt or disprove, and so that's what ends up happening. How do we keep it just positive?
+1
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: incendia on March 26, 2020, 12:34:10 AM
how do you reconcile this with the fact that the majority of people tested in highly infected areas who test positive is still well below 50 percent?

The tests are only if you currently have the virus. If you had it and eat it you would test negative. Will be at least a few weeks until we have wide spread anti-body tests
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on March 26, 2020, 07:00:48 AM
The problem with this thread is that a lot of the good news is easy to doubt or disprove, and so that's what ends up happening. How do we keep it just positive?
How about we post acts of kindness?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yitzgar on March 26, 2020, 07:42:17 AM
OH has a positive rate of 4.8 percent among approximately 14k tested. Seems like they may have flattened the curve successfully....
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on March 26, 2020, 09:49:29 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/weddings/chicago-couple-livestreams-wedding-for-family-friends-during-covid-19-pandemic/ar-BB11IDuN?ocid=spartanntp
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on March 26, 2020, 11:13:37 AM
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: chevron on March 26, 2020, 11:41:25 AM
The problem with this thread is that a lot of the good news is easy to doubt or disprove, and so that's what ends up happening. How do we keep it just positive?

Because people are posting unsubstantiated stuff where is that noble prize winner who claims he would be highly supprised if Israeli death's topped 10? It's now at 8

It's because a lot of the good news is just that, good news that doesn't mean you can go back to normal.

Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on March 26, 2020, 12:05:58 PM
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2238578-uk-has-enough-intensive-care-units-for-coronavirus-expert-predicts/
Down from 500,000 GB deaths to 20k.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on March 26, 2020, 01:09:51 PM
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on March 26, 2020, 01:35:29 PM
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid

Status of COVID-19

As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious diseases (HCID) in the UK.

The 4 nations public health HCID group made an interim recommendation in January 2020 to classify COVID-19 as an HCID. This was based on consideration of the UK HCID criteria about the virus and the disease with information available during the early stages of the outbreak. Now that more is known about COVID-19, the public health bodies in the UK have reviewed the most up to date information about COVID-19 against the UK HCID criteria. They have determined that several features have now changed; in particular, more information is available about mortality rates (low overall), and there is now greater clinical awareness and a specific and sensitive laboratory test, the availability of which continues to increase.

The Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens (ACDP) is also of the opinion that COVID-19 should no longer be classified as an HCID.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: hvaces42 on March 26, 2020, 01:48:41 PM
What is the foreseeable future? I'd say foreseeable is max 48 hours.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ah giten on March 26, 2020, 01:52:21 PM
were up to a point where having gowns to treat critically ill patients, is GOOD news.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on March 26, 2020, 01:54:23 PM
were up to a point where having gowns to treat critically ill patients, is GOOD news.
Better news?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ah giten on March 26, 2020, 04:59:02 PM
Better news?
the virus gone or cured?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: sguitarist18 on March 26, 2020, 05:47:55 PM
I think CV meant, "it's not GOOD news, but at least it's "better news."
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on March 26, 2020, 08:44:43 PM

The fact that it took so long is unacceptable.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: KSMH on March 26, 2020, 09:57:15 PM
Not to active on DDF these days. But a clear point mentioned before.

The numbers are skewed.

I personally know of over 25 people that had/have every covid-19 symptom and did not get tested. In many areas DR's are telling patients if they dont have a  problem breathing then just stay home and isolate yourself.

I even know of a case where someone with problems breathing was told by DR. to stay home as long as possible "the hospitals are worse", BH that person is doing better.

Point being is the numbers are skewed.

Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ah giten on March 26, 2020, 10:20:07 PM
Zundel Binek, from Hatzalah is off the resp. B"H.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yuneeq on March 26, 2020, 11:21:24 PM
Not to active on DDF these days. But a clear point mentioned before.

The numbers are skewed.

I personally know of over 25 people that had/have every covid-19 symptom and did not get tested. In many areas DR's are telling patients if they dont have a  problem breathing then just stay home and isolate yourself.

I even know of a case where someone with problems breathing was told by DR. to stay home as long as possible "the hospitals are worse", BH that person is doing better.

Point being is the numbers are skewed.

We hear a lot that the numbers are skewed. Well in the beginning we only heard of the severe cases, because otherwise no one would notice. Afterwards we started testing a lot more. But now it seems that they stopped testing people with minor symptoms. How much does it make a difference in understanding how bad the situation is? Well it depends. If we expect 10-20% hospitalization rate based on previous studies, what good is it if we find out 30-40% of those testing positive need hospitalization? So we're testing the people that need to be hospitalized, that means confirmed cases are much worse on average than what they could be.

I did see some NYC hospitalization data, don't remember where though.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: dealfinder11 on March 26, 2020, 11:22:50 PM
Not to active on DDF these days. But a clear point mentioned before.

The numbers are skewed.

I personally know of over 25 people that had/have every covid-19 symptom and did not get tested. In many areas DR's are telling patients if they dont have a  problem breathing then just stay home and isolate yourself.

I even know of a case where someone with problems breathing was told by DR. to stay home as long as possible "the hospitals are worse", BH that person is doing better.

Point being is the numbers are skewed.

Unaware of anyone whom is confident about most numbers. It's all a guessing game. Especially because, you know, China.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on March 26, 2020, 11:27:13 PM
We hear a lot that the numbers are skewed. Well in the beginning we only heard of the severe cases, because otherwise no one would notice. Afterwards we started testing a lot more. But now it seems that they stopped testing people with minor symptoms. How much does it make a difference in understanding how bad the situation is? Well it depends. If we expect 10-20% hospitalization rate based on previous studies, what good is it if we find out 30-40% of those testing positive need hospitalization? So we're testing the people that need to be hospitalized, that means confirmed cases are much worse on average than what they could be.

I did see some NYC hospitalization data, don't remember where though.

Here?
https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-daily-data-summary.pdf (https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-daily-data-summary.pdf)
Showing new cases doubling today after having been flat for a few days.

Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: zh cohen on March 27, 2020, 08:26:54 AM
Quote
Looking for help in fighting Corona

We (a group from Israel working with many scientists including in Carnegie
Mellon University) are working on collecting voice data from people with
Corona.  This may enable us to detect Corona from voice.  If it works (and
it currently looks very promising), one could ask people to provide a voice
sample on their phone, and detect if they are carrying the virus.  This will
be a very important help to the effort to stop the spread.  To develop the
test, we need voice samples of people diagnosed with the virus. All the data
collection effort is done by volunteers and no one is being paid.
You can see more about it in
https://www.freethinkcom/articles/detecting-coronavirus
This could save a lot of lives.  If you were diagnosed with the Corona
virus, please send us your voice sample ASAP via this link:
https://voca.ai/coronavirus/
Please help as soon as you can as time is of the essence.
Thanks,
Dr. Shmuel Ur, Shorashim, Israel

Anyone know anything about this? Does it belong in the FakeNews thread?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: sillypainter on March 27, 2020, 08:35:02 AM
Anyone know anything about this? Does it belong in the FakeNews thread?

I don't believe it's going to work, but site looks legit. It's based on Artificial Intelligence.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yuneeq on March 27, 2020, 09:01:17 AM
Here?

No, that's all cases, not hospitalizations. I think you posted that as well.
Basically take all confirmed cases (perhaps with something like a 3 day lag) and divide it by the total NYC corona hospitalizations. If the percentage is over 20%, it's not so reassuring that we know about untested positives.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on March 27, 2020, 09:07:07 AM
I don't believe it's going to work, but site looks legit. It's based on Artificial Intelligence.

Sounds like a moonshot to be able to detect Corona early from voice. How likely is it that voice is affected before symptoms start or at early stages? Even if voice is affected, accurate detection is ambitious.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: avromie7 on March 27, 2020, 09:42:40 AM
No, that's all cases, not hospitalizations. I think you posted that as well.
Basically take all confirmed cases (perhaps with something like a 3 day lag) and divide it by the total NYC corona hospitalizations. If the percentage is over 20%, it's not so reassuring that we know about untested positives.
Based on this https://covidtracking.com/data/state/new-york/ (https://covidtracking.com/data/state/new-york/) the hospitalization rate of confirmed cases as of 3/26 is just over 18%. I would consider that very good news.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Yehudaa on March 27, 2020, 10:20:21 AM
Good news I guess: https://www.timesofisrael.com/un-sees-guns-go-silent-as-world-faces-off-against-common-enemy/
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: hvaces42 on March 27, 2020, 10:30:35 AM
"?

This guy is hilarious. Every medical professional is saying there is a shortage but he will believe Trump, Cuomo and DeBlasio. What an idiot!!!
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: 12HRS on March 27, 2020, 12:19:30 PM
"?

This guy is hilarious. Every medical professional is saying there is a shortage but he will believe Trump, Cuomo and DeBlasio. What an idiot!!!

he's just translating things
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: hvaces42 on March 27, 2020, 01:32:46 PM
he's just translating things
Guess he never learned the difference between Inside voice and Outside Voice
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on March 27, 2020, 02:07:02 PM
There is no shortage of ventilators in NY. That can change based on projections.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: chevron on March 27, 2020, 02:25:06 PM
There is no shortage of ventilators in NY. That can change based on projections.

I don't think there's an accurate shortage currently it may depend on location and facilities, some places may have a shortage at some point ?

Part of what I'm reading is that there is an uneven balance between ICU facilies and elderly in terms of geography.

Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: cgr on March 27, 2020, 02:43:01 PM
There is no shortage of ventilators in NY. That can change based on projections.
Know someone who passed away last night. Wasn't put on a ventilator because he's over 70. Maybe there isn't an actual shortage yet, but they're definitely rationing.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on March 27, 2020, 02:45:00 PM
Know someone who passed away last night. Wasn't put on a ventilator because he's over 70.
Disgraceful. 
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Boruch Parnes on March 27, 2020, 02:46:30 PM
Know someone who passed away last night. Wasn't put on a ventilator because he's over 70. Maybe there isn't an actual shortage yet, but they're definitely rationing.
which hospital?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: hvaces42 on March 27, 2020, 04:06:46 PM
Know someone who passed away last night. Wasn't put on a ventilator because he's over 70. Maybe there isn't an actual shortage yet, but they're definitely rationing.
Who said this was the reason?

Name names. Without info this is meaningless. They are NOT rationing. If someone needs a vent they are getting a vent. This is just not true as a general rule. There MUST be other reasons unless proven otherwise.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yungermanchik on March 27, 2020, 04:10:52 PM

@KolHaolam
Quote
WASHINGTON: BREAKING: President Trump orders General Motors to make ventilators under Defense Production Act.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Yehudaa on March 27, 2020, 04:13:21 PM
@KolHaolam

Unclear whether he's actually invoked the Defense Production Act:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raises-prospect-of-ordering-gm-ford-to-manufacture-ventilators/2020/03/27/92f82db6-7043-11ea-aa80-c2470c6b2034_story.html
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/trump-threatens-to-invoke-defense-production-act-if-gm-fails-to-respond-to-ventilator-demands/
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on March 27, 2020, 04:16:47 PM
@KolHaolam
I guess better late than never.  >:(
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on March 27, 2020, 04:17:35 PM
https://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2020/03/video-dr-rich-roberts-zinc-coronavirus-correlations.html#more-235272
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: grodnoking on March 27, 2020, 04:27:41 PM
https://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2020/03/video-dr-rich-roberts-zinc-coronavirus-correlations.html#more-235272
Summary please...
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: chevron on March 27, 2020, 05:11:41 PM
Unclear whether he's actually invoked the Defense Production Act:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raises-prospect-of-ordering-gm-ford-to-manufacture-ventilators/2020/03/27/92f82db6-7043-11ea-aa80-c2470c6b2034_story.html
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/trump-threatens-to-invoke-defense-production-act-if-gm-fails-to-respond-to-ventilator-demands/

I wrote an entire post about this and saying that this is what it would come to.

Both sides of the political aisle argue against government encroachment when it suits them.

@CountValentine  will agree.

If Trump does something , where in this case at the cries for help from a Democrat Governor, I sure hope the D's don't bash him.

Was there another way of doing it? I have no idea generally politicians don't do things that are unpopular on purpose.. but Trump does stuff that makes no sense so who knows.

I was just thinking that those industries that were begging for a bailout It should have come with some clause that they would produce necessary medical equipment if possible or provide service or aid.

Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on March 27, 2020, 05:19:53 PM
I concur!  :)
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: cgr on March 27, 2020, 05:42:36 PM
Who said this was the reason?

I'm not putting his name up here, because I'm not family (just close to his family), but this is what they were told. Is it possible it was for a different reason? Yes. But that's what they were told
Name names. Without info this is meaningless. They are NOT rationing. If someone needs a vent they are getting a vent. This is just not true as a general rule. There MUST be other reasons unless proven otherwise.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: hvaces42 on March 27, 2020, 05:50:54 PM

So you heard from someone in the family that they were told that? I'm trying to figure out how many times you are removed from the person who (you claim) was actually told that in the hospital. By every account...even in the worst hospital Elmhurst...everyone that needs a vent is getting it. No age limitations.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Proisrael on March 28, 2020, 01:53:23 PM
Israel so far:
Total cases 3,460

12 Niftar=0.35% death rate

123 moderate (73) or severe (50)=3.5%

this is one of the best in the world BH. What are they doing differnt? We are still davening with Minyanim fyi.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on March 28, 2020, 06:53:18 PM
Israel so far:
Total cases 3,460

12 Niftar=0.35% death rate

123 moderate (73) or severe (50)=3.5%

this is one of the best in the world BH. What are they doing differnt? We are still davening with Minyanim fyi.
Where are they in the cycle?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: chevron on March 28, 2020, 09:07:43 PM
Israel so far:
Total cases 3,460

12 Niftar=0.35% death rate

123 moderate (73) or severe (50)=3.5%

this is one of the best in the world BH. What are they doing differnt? We are still davening with Minyanim fyi.

Israel real very early on implemented strict measures, a lot of quarintine and isolation.

I would also say that the country is more prepared for this type of things given the drills for terror attacks etc.

Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ilherman on March 28, 2020, 09:21:37 PM
I'm afraid Israel is where we were 10 days ago. I hope, I hope that I will be proven wrong.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on March 28, 2020, 09:25:33 PM
I'm afraid Israel is where we were 10 days ago. I hope, I hope that I will be proven wrong.
That is why I asked:
Where are they in the cycle?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Dan on March 28, 2020, 09:36:25 PM
Where are they in the cycle?
They started before the US, but they locked things down very quickly.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Dan on March 28, 2020, 09:37:31 PM
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Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on March 28, 2020, 09:39:25 PM
They started before the US, but they locked things down very quickly.
Then they are looking way better than us.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yitzgar on March 28, 2020, 11:28:10 PM
(https://i.dansdeals.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/28213719/WhatsApp-Image-2020-03-28-at-9.34.33-PM.jpeg)
Why is diesel so much more?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Proisrael on March 29, 2020, 12:01:11 AM
I'm afraid Israel is where we were 10 days ago. I hope, I hope that I will be proven wrong.

Israel had its first case February 21 well we'll before the US. We had quarantine since purim
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ilherman on March 29, 2020, 01:15:40 AM
Israel had its first case February 21 well we'll before the US. We had quarantine since purim
I didn't mean in terms of cautining. I meant that the frum people there don't get it how serious it is, like we didn't get it just 2 weeks ago. Although they had strict official rules, people even as we speak don't get it. Most places I know of have Minyen and Mikvah open. And the situation there is way better. Who am I to know but maybe R Chaim is right? Maybe because they keep on learning and all it Torah Mangneh Umatzlah? 

I am saying I hope they don't end up looking like we do....

Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: cmey on March 29, 2020, 01:20:43 AM
I didn't mean in terms of cautining. I meant that the frum people there don't get it how serious it is, like we didn't get it just 2 weeks ago. Although they had strict official rules, people even as we speak don't get it. Most places I know of have Minyen and Mikvah open. And the situation there is way better. Who am I to know but maybe R Chaim is right? Maybe because they keep on learning and all it Torah Mangneh Umatzlah? 

I am saying I hope they don't end up looking like we do....

https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/1843979/bnei-brak-is-turning-into-italy-almost-every-chareidi-is-infected.html
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yitzgar on March 29, 2020, 01:25:52 AM
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/1843979/bnei-brak-is-turning-into-italy-almost-every-chareidi-is-infected.html
Clickbait. At the end of the article it says how many actual cases....
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Barryg on March 29, 2020, 01:35:01 AM
Israel real very early on implemented strict measures, a lot of quarintine and isolation.

I would also say that the country is more prepared for this type of things given the drills for terror attacks etc.


IMHO sun/vitamin D/weather play a role in overall health and immune system. If people are healthier with proper levels of vitamin D (which usually help preventing getting sick, but with COVID-19 not helping nearly as much) it still helps in making the symptoms lighter. This is in addition to what you said, and
Who am I to know but maybe R Chaim is right? Maybe because they keep on learning and all it Torah Mangneh Umatzlah? 
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: good sam on March 29, 2020, 01:37:31 AM
So you heard from someone in the family that they were told that? I'm trying to figure out how many times you are removed from the person who (you claim) was actually told that in the hospital. By every account...even in the worst hospital Elmhurst...everyone that needs a vent is getting it. No age limitations.
The frightening thing is that so many are dying despite no shortage of medical care. Forget about social distancing, flattening the curve, not overwhelming the medical system. These deaths were not preventable.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on March 29, 2020, 01:50:38 AM
So you heard from someone in the family that they were told that? I'm trying to figure out how many times you are removed from the person who (you claim) was actually told that in the hospital. By every account...even in the worst hospital Elmhurst...everyone that needs a vent is getting it. No age limitations.
My grandmother was 82. She was kicked out of the hospital (Maimonides) Thursday to rehab because she was ďgetting betterĒ. Heart stopped right before Shabbos.

A mechutanís father in his 80s was rushed to a hospital in Brooklyn on Thursday, but was told there are no more ventilators. Was brought to another hospital, same story. He died shortly after. Name is Rabinowitz. Not sure which hospitals. Heard from an immediate family member.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yesitsme on March 29, 2020, 01:59:54 AM
My grandmother was 82. She was kicked out of the hospital (Maimonides) Thursday to rehab because she was ďgetting betterĒ. Heart stopped right before Shabbos.

A mechutanís father in his 80s was rushed to a hospital in Brooklyn on Thursday, but was told there are no more ventilators. Was brought to another hospital, same story. He died shortly after. Name is Rabinowitz. Not sure which hospitals. Heard from an immediate family member.
My grandfather had a similar story a few years ago, but who knows.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Proisrael on March 29, 2020, 02:20:17 AM
I didn't mean in terms of cautining. I meant that the frum people there don't get it how serious it is, like we didn't get it just 2 weeks ago. Although they had strict official rules, people even as we speak don't get it. Most places I know of have Minyen and Mikvah open. And the situation there is way better. Who am I to know but maybe R Chaim is right? Maybe because they keep on learning and all it Torah Mangneh Umatzlah? 

I am saying I hope they don't end up looking like we do....

In my community in Haifa there are dozens and dozens of minyanim. Each street has a minyan with sefrai torah.  They are being held with all the rules that the Govt has given. I do not understand the lack of minyanim in the US. Why cant people just keep to the rules of 2 meter and 10 people gathering.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yuneeq on March 29, 2020, 02:21:25 AM
My grandmother was 82. She was kicked out of the hospital (Maimonides) Thursday to rehab because she was ďgetting betterĒ. Heart stopped right before Shabbos.

An article about Holy name hospital a few weeks ago, they said they had a patient that recovered and they were ready to release. They saw one minor thing so they decided to wait an extra hour or 2. Well within a couple hours the person was in terrible shape and worse than ever before. Itís a frightening illness.

Are we still in the good news thread?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on March 29, 2020, 02:53:04 AM
An article about Holy name hospital a few weeks ago, they said they had a patient that recovered and they were ready to release. They saw one minor thing so they decided to wait an extra hour or 2. Well within a couple hours the person was in terrible shape and worse than ever before. Itís a frightening illness.

Are we still in the good news thread?
Rabbi Plutchok was being treated, responding well, and was released from the hospital. A day or two later he suddenly turned critical and was niftar the following morning.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yesitsme on March 29, 2020, 03:46:52 AM
They started before the US, but they locked things down very quickly.
According to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Israel got its 1st case exactly a month after the USA
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yuneeq on March 29, 2020, 04:07:49 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/28/nyregion/nyc-coronavirus-ems.html
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on March 29, 2020, 10:05:06 AM
Rabbi Plutchok was being treated, responding well, and was released from the hospital. A day or two later he suddenly turned critical and was niftar the following morning.

Oy. This is part of what makes COVID-19 such a scary disease.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Iz on March 29, 2020, 10:08:45 AM
This is the good news thread? :o
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yuneeq on March 29, 2020, 11:18:29 AM
This is the good news thread? :o

The problem with this thread is that a lot of the good news is easy to doubt or disprove, and so that's what ends up happening. How do we keep it just positive?

I am also to blame sometimes I forget what thread Iím in.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: incendia on March 29, 2020, 01:13:18 PM
The lawyer in New Rochelle is out of the hospital and back home
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: KSMH on March 29, 2020, 01:23:46 PM
The lawyer in New Rochelle is out of the hospital and back home
BH.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: hvaces42 on March 29, 2020, 01:27:10 PM
Per Doctor doing rounds this morning there are enough ventilators at this time in Maimonides. 
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Luvisrael on March 29, 2020, 01:29:39 PM
Per Doctor doing rounds this morning there are enough ventilators at this time in Maimonides.
good to hear. Not enough room for bodies though...
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: hvaces42 on March 29, 2020, 01:30:17 PM
good to hear. Not enough room for bodies though...
They have a refrigerated trailer unfortunately.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Luvisrael on March 29, 2020, 01:33:10 PM
They have a refrigerated trailer unfortunately.
yup https://vimeo.com/401923837
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against CIVID-19?
Post by: ztide on March 29, 2020, 01:42:12 PM


https://forbetterscience.com/2020/03/26/chloroquine-genius-didier-raoult-to-save-the-world-from-covid-19/

wish it was true but this guy is a wackadoodle and plenty of fraud in other papers of his.
also, it was such a bad study and like 3 of the treated pts crashed and had to go to the ICU, but conveniently they were removed from the "treated" group so they can still have 100% success.

unlikely to even work as prophylaxis, plenty of ppl on this drug for rheumatoid arthritis and lupus are still coming into the hospitals with covid
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ltttc on March 29, 2020, 02:13:10 PM
BOT: Definitely getting less parking tickets these days
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on March 29, 2020, 02:13:37 PM
https://forbetterscience.com/2020/03/26/chloroquine-genius-didier-raoult-to-save-the-world-from-covid-19/

wish it was true but this guy is a wackadoodle and plenty of fraud in other papers of his.
also, it was such a bad study and like 3 of the treated pts crashed and had to go to the ICU, but conveniently they were removed from the "treated" group so they can still have 100% success.

unlikely to even work as prophylaxis, plenty of ppl on this drug for rheumatoid arthritis and lupus are still coming into the hospitals with covid
It is being used enough at this point that we will have more numbers.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yuneeq on March 29, 2020, 02:54:15 PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/29/germany-will-issue-coronavirus-antibody-certificates-allow-quarantined/
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ztide on March 29, 2020, 02:58:45 PM
It is being used enough at this point that we will have more numbers.

it is being used on everyone at montefiore and columbia
no official data yet but doesn't help per attendings there
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: avromie7 on March 29, 2020, 03:12:04 PM
it is being used on everyone at montefiore and columbia
no official data yet but doesn't help per attendings there
Coumo announced, the number of people being released from the hospital is increasing. I dont know if its because of the treatment or because there are more people admitted every day. Or a combination.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yuneeq on March 29, 2020, 03:17:30 PM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/03/29/cuomo-extends-new-york-social-distancing-guidelines-to-april-15-after-easter-trumps-preferred-end-date/#395a29d821e8

Good news:
ďCuomo said the hospitalization rate is now doubling every six days, as opposed to every two or three days, and the rate of daily intubations for coronavirus patients is also trending downward.

ďThe doubling rate is slowing and that is good news, but the number of cases are still going up. so you're still going up towards an apex, but the rate of the doubling is slowing,Ē said Cuomo.ď

Itís talking about new daily numbers, not cumulative, which is good.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ztide on March 29, 2020, 04:58:36 PM
Coumo announced, the number of people being released from the hospital is increasing. I dont know if its because of the treatment or because there are more people admitted every day. Or a combination.
unless ppl need oxygen support they are being sent home, which is usually after 1-8 days of symptoms.
Day 8-10 is when they usually come back and within 48 hours they crash onto ventilators.
they stay on ventilators for a while, and then either get better or decline.
ICU beds are filling up fast, actual non-covid ICU pts are being moved to lobbies and the like to make room.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ah giten on March 29, 2020, 05:00:38 PM
Dr zelenko claims that there are "ZERO" critical cases in Monroe.
because he treats early on.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ztide on March 29, 2020, 05:01:48 PM
Dr zelenko claims that there are "ZERO" critical cases in Monroe.
because he treats early on.

zelenko is a nut job. just read what he wrote. kiryat joel community then wrote a letter essentially disowning him
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on March 29, 2020, 05:03:24 PM
Dr zelenko claims that there are "ZERO" critical cases in Monroe.
because he treats negatives.

FTFY-as in his claim that 90% have it based on a 60% positive rate among those with strong enough symptoms to be tested.
He has made many claims not borne out by numbers. He has come out looking great to the Cernovitzes of the world and the professionals are all questioning hos findings.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ztide on March 29, 2020, 05:08:55 PM
zelenko is a nut job. just read what he wrote. kiryat joel community then wrote a letter essentially disowning him
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on March 29, 2020, 05:17:34 PM
https://forbetterscience.com/2020/03/26/chloroquine-genius-didier-raoult-to-save-the-world-from-covid-19/

wish it was true but this guy is a wackadoodle and plenty of fraud in other papers of his.
also, it was such a bad study and like 3 of the treated pts crashed and had to go to the ICU, but conveniently they were removed from the "treated" group so they can still have 100% success.

unlikely to even work as prophylaxis, plenty of ppl on this drug for rheumatoid arthritis and lupus are still coming into the hospitals with covid
Aren't both of those at higher general risk?

For what it si worth,
https://www.trustnodes.com/2020/03/28/debate-ends-over-chloroquine-as-france-officially-sanctions-usage
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ah giten on March 29, 2020, 05:25:59 PM
zelenko is a nut job. just read what he wrote. kiryat joel community then wrote a letter essentially disowning him
I know he's a nut job.
but the cases in KJ are still not severe. IDK why.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ztide on March 29, 2020, 05:37:34 PM
Aren't both of those at higher general risk?

For what it si worth,
https://www.trustnodes.com/2020/03/28/debate-ends-over-chloroquine-as-france-officially-sanctions-usage

they are at higher risk for complications of corona but if it helped to prevent infection (as its used for malaria prophylaxix) then they should be protected from initial infection- but they aren't.

yeah,problem is raoult is big in france no matter that hes a whackadoodle and lots of fraud in his papers. but hes powerful.
plus the risks of hydroxychloroquine are easily managed (retinal toxicity is only relevant for 1-5 years of treatment and cardiac toxicity can be checked by monitoring an EKG pre and during treatment) so its more of a what do you have to lose type of situation. chloroquine is more toxic but as long as u don't overdose the risks are manageable the same way.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on March 29, 2020, 05:39:03 PM
they are at higher risk for complications of corona but if it helped to prevent infection (as its used for malaria prophylaxix) then they should be protected from initial infection- but they aren't.

If they are immune deficient then why wouldn't they continue to be at risk?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ztide on March 29, 2020, 05:40:41 PM
I know he's a nut job.
but the cases in KJ are still not severe. IDK why.

its hard to calculate severity as a percentage unless u know the exact numbers infected, exactly how many get hospitalized, and decline from there.
But with all this craziness everything (including severity) is really anecdotal since no one has real numbers (and the population isn't being fully tested to say the least)
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ztide on March 29, 2020, 05:43:01 PM
If they are immune deficient then why wouldn't they continue to be at risk?
ppl with rheumatoid arthritis and lupus aren't immune deficient, in fact just the opposite.
They only become immune deficient (or technically immune-modulated) by the hydroxychloroquine drug- which is now being advocated for treatment. Theoretically that makes everyone treated for it with corona "immune deficient"
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ah giten on March 29, 2020, 05:46:59 PM
its hard to calculate severity as a percentage unless u know the exact numbers infected, exactly how many get hospitalized, and decline from there.
But with all this craziness everything (including severity) is really anecdotal since no one has real numbers (and the population isn't being fully tested to say the least)
no percentage. No calculations.
I did not hear a single serious case out of Monroe.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yuneeq on March 29, 2020, 05:53:33 PM
I know he's a nut job.
but the cases in KJ are still not severe. IDK why.

He had 4 hospitalizations as of last week. Previously he bragged about none.
We have no idea how severe the symptoms are of the people heís treating to know if itís working. Itís also not a long time since he started his treatments.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on March 29, 2020, 05:54:32 PM
He had 4 hospitalizations as of last week. Previously he bragged about none.
We have no idea how severe the symptoms are of the people heís treating to know if itís working. Itís also not a long time since he started his treatments.
Or even if they are positive for the virus.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ah giten on March 29, 2020, 06:30:13 PM
He had 4 hospitalizations as of last week. Previously he bragged about none.
We have no idea how severe the symptoms are of the people heís treating to know if itís working. Itís also not a long time since he started his treatments.
Im not saying that he's right for doing this, he's absolutely not IMHO, but if I may say דער שטות איז אים געלונגען.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yuneeq on March 29, 2020, 07:42:52 PM
Im not saying that he's right for doing this, he's absolutely not IMHO, but if I may say דער שטות איז אים געלונגען.

No idea what that means
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ah giten on March 29, 2020, 07:45:58 PM
No idea what that means
Sometimes one can do a stupid thing, and that stupid thing turns out to help him.
Same happened here. So far.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: etech0 on March 29, 2020, 10:48:59 PM
https://matzav.com/some-good-news-new-rochelles-patient-zero-has-been-discharged-from-the-hospital/
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Toasted on March 29, 2020, 11:40:01 PM

He spoke very emotionally on a teleconference tonight and urged everyone to pour their hearts out in tefila. "YOUR TEFILOS WILL SAVE LIVES AND PREVENT SUFFERING".
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ckmk47 on March 29, 2020, 11:53:56 PM
I know he's a nut job.
but the cases in KJ are still not severe. IDK why.
Is this documented? How?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yuneeq on March 30, 2020, 12:30:17 AM
Is this documented? How?

Legitimately documented? Or documented by someone that throws out 60% and 90% and all sorts of random numbers without any thought?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on March 30, 2020, 12:41:50 AM
Hereís some (hopefully not temporary) good news: the number of new deaths in the US as a whole and ICU admissions and deaths in New York in particular plummeted today. Is this finally the result of social distancing or just a one off like weíve seen occasionally in Italy?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ckmk47 on March 30, 2020, 12:49:18 AM
Our community may have done most of our passing it along on Purim or thereabouts.  So the first wave became ill by Rosh chodesh.  And the complications followed. So maybe, hopefully, we'll see a drop in new cases.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Shmobaum on March 30, 2020, 12:50:43 AM
Our community may have done most of our passing it along on Purim or thereabouts.  So the first wave became ill by Rosh chodesh.  And the complications followed. So maybe, hopefully, we'll see a drop in new cases.
Thought so too. From your post to...
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: VacationLover on March 30, 2020, 01:15:21 AM
Im not saying that he's right for doing this, he's absolutely not IMHO, but if I may say דער שטות איז אים געלונגען.
All known organizations in KJ including Hatzolah came out against him for his completely inaccurate videos.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Square on March 30, 2020, 02:25:32 AM
I know he's a nut job.
but the cases in KJ are still not severe. IDK why.
Unfortunately, someone died tonight in KJ.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Iz on March 30, 2020, 03:04:09 AM

He spoke very emotionally on a teleconference tonight and urged everyone to pour their hearts out in tefila. "YOUR TEFILOS WILL SAVE LIVES AND PREVENT SUFFERING".
Link?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Proisrael on March 30, 2020, 06:38:07 AM
Israel so far:
Total cases 3,460

12 Niftar=0.35% death rate

123 moderate (73) or severe (50)=3.5%

this is one of the best in the world BH. What are they doing differnt? We are still davening with Minyanim fyi.

Total Cases:
4,347 (+25% in 48 hours used to be doubling every 3 days)

15 Niftar=.35% (No change in fatality rate)

176 Moderate to Severe (4.1% a .6% rise from 2 days ago)

BH it looks like quarantine is working for most of the population.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: avromie7 on March 30, 2020, 06:48:53 AM
Total Cases:
4,347 (+25% in 48 hours used to be doubling every 3 days)
That's basically no change. A 25% increase each day will be a 95% increase in 3 days
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Proisrael on March 30, 2020, 06:55:12 AM
That's basically no change. A 25% increase each day will be a 95% increase in 3 days

25% in 2 days...not one day.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Joe4007 on March 30, 2020, 08:55:08 AM
Unfortunately, someone died tonight in KJ.
This + I know a few hospitalized. Not sure they're his patients though.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on March 30, 2020, 09:25:14 AM
Hereís some (hopefully not temporary) good news: the number of new deaths in the US as a whole and ICU admissions and deaths in New York in particular plummeted today. Is this finally the result of social distancing or just a one off like weíve seen occasionally in Italy?

With the amount of people in the hospital, intubated rĒl etc, nothing is definitive. Hashem yerachem.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: hvaces42 on March 30, 2020, 12:05:14 PM
My daughter has her first patient who was fevering for 12 days, O2 sat of 87 and took the HCY+Zpack cocktail finally without fever today BH. 5 days after taking cocktail.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on March 30, 2020, 12:25:10 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUXaT1VXkAAgP_d?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ah giten on March 30, 2020, 02:03:55 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUXaT1VXkAAgP_d?format=jpg&name=small)
I just passed it on the westside highway.
Looks incredible.
BTW westside highway looks scary...
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Yehudaa on March 30, 2020, 09:07:53 PM
Some good news:

https://jewishjournal.com/online/312950/101-year-old-holocaust-and-spanish-flu-survivor-beat-covid-19/
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on March 30, 2020, 09:09:01 PM
I just passed it on the westside highway.
Looks incredible.
BTW westside highway looks scary...
How big is it?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Yehudaa on March 30, 2020, 09:12:58 PM
How big is it?
894 ft long
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on March 30, 2020, 09:21:36 PM
Some good news:

https://jewishjournal.com/online/312950/101-year-old-holocaust-and-spanish-flu-survivor-beat-covid-19/
They should plasma the heck out of his blood
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: zh cohen on March 30, 2020, 09:35:00 PM
They should plasma the heck out of his blood

It doesn't say that he got the Spanish Flu (although it is implied), only that he was alive when it happened.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yungermanchik on March 30, 2020, 10:56:34 PM
I believe the reason CDC is not recommending it, is because doctors need it more.
I think any mask is a protective measure, ans there would be enough, they would encourage all of us to wear it.

@KolHaolam
WASHINGTON: Get ready for the face of America to change: CDC is mulling a change to its guidance to encourage people to wear face masks for a limited time, as Asian countries do.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: grodnoking on March 30, 2020, 10:59:16 PM
@KolHaolam
WASHINGTON: Get ready for the face of America to change: CDC is mulling a change to its guidance to encourage people to wear face masks for a limited time, as Asian countries do.
And how will they manage to produce 500,000,000 masks a day?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ah giten on March 30, 2020, 10:59:31 PM
@KolHaolam
WASHINGTON: Get ready for the face of America to change: CDC is mulling a change to its guidance to encourage people to wear face masks for a limited time, as Asian countries do.
finally...
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yuneeq on March 30, 2020, 11:10:31 PM
@KolHaolam
WASHINGTON: Get ready for the face of America to change: CDC is mulling a change to its guidance to encourage people to wear face masks for a limited time, as Asian countries do.

About damn time. Finally the fake news coming from the CDC coming to light.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yitzgar on March 30, 2020, 11:41:04 PM
Not very helpful if you can't buy them.....
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: good sam on March 30, 2020, 11:47:33 PM
It doesn't say that he got the Spanish Flu (although it is implied), only that he was alive when it happened.
Right, that was my first thought about the headline. I suppose I'm an ebola, sars, mers, swine flu, and west nile survivor?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yuneeq on March 31, 2020, 12:03:53 AM
Right, that was my first thought about the headline. I suppose I'm an ebola, sars, mers, swine flu, and west nile survivor?

Big difference, Spanish flu was a global pandemic, all those you listed were not.
IINM 1/3 of the world caught the Spanish flu.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: good sam on March 31, 2020, 01:05:39 AM
Big difference, Spanish flu was a global pandemic, all those you listed were not.
IINM 1/3 of the world caught the Spanish flu.
Obviously there's a difference but calling him a Spanish flu survivor is nothing but sensationalism.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Shmobaum on March 31, 2020, 01:09:44 AM
I just passed it on the westside highway.
Looks incredible.
BTW westside highway looks scary...
Saw it docked at the cruise piers next to the Intrepid. Soldiers on hand. So is FEMA. Also saw today a huge tent hospital operation being erected in Central Park opposite Mount Sinai Hospital.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on March 31, 2020, 01:27:09 AM
Not very helpful if you can't buy them.....
Make your own like my daughter is doing.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on March 31, 2020, 07:59:31 AM
@KolHaolam
WASHINGTON: Get ready for the face of America to change: CDC is mulling a change to its guidance to encourage people to wear face masks for a limited time, as Asian countries do.

This is one way to ensure medical providers definitely wonít have sufficient masks, supplies are already so tight.

Make your own like my daughter is doing.

I want to make my own but canít keep up with 500,000,000 a day.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yuneeq on March 31, 2020, 08:19:29 AM
This is one way to ensure medical providers definitely wonít have sufficient masks, supplies are already so tight.

I want to make my own but canít keep up with 500,000,000 a day.

There are billions of masks flooding the market now and itís only going up. Mostly cheap ones. If everyone wore them, the Drs wouldnít need a huge supply of good masks.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yitzgar on March 31, 2020, 08:34:37 AM
There are billions of masks flooding the market now and itís only going up. Mostly cheap ones. If everyone wore them, the Drs wouldnít need a huge supply of good masks.
Why can't I find them if they are flooding the market?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yuneeq on March 31, 2020, 09:04:20 AM
Why can't I find them if they are flooding the market?

A lot of the supply is still upstream, and a lot of it is going directly to hospitals/police etc. But still a lot of people started getting masks now that never had before. The ddms deal on masks last week is a sign of supply making its way here.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: zevi on March 31, 2020, 09:14:17 AM
CNN: Some good news: Rate of increase of new coronavirus cases appears to be slowing in New York.

An analysis of CNN's count shows that average rate of day-over-day increase for the last seven days was 17% - compared to 58% for the previous seven-day period.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Lurker on March 31, 2020, 09:25:49 AM
CNN: Some good news: Rate of increase of new coronavirus cases appears to be slowing in New York.

An analysis of CNN's count shows that average rate of day-over-day increase for the last seven days was 17% - compared to 58% for the previous seven-day period.

That's some pretty funky math. Forget percentages. Look at the number of deaths. That's the only real number. If you were able to accurately get the number of hospital beds + vents still available, that would also be relevant. Everything else is garbage.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Ergel on March 31, 2020, 09:29:36 AM
That's some pretty funky math. Forget percentages. Look at the number of deaths. That's the only real number. If you were able to accurately get the number of hospital beds + vents still available, that would also be relevant. Everything else is garbage.
How do I dislike a post? You fail to understand how this works. Deaths are indicative of previous infections that progressed to the point of death, it doesn't tell you what future numbers will look like (they are dead, they aren't included in future numbers). The rate of infection is what matters over time
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Lurker on March 31, 2020, 09:31:25 AM
How do I dislike a post? You fail to understand how this works. Deaths are indicative of previous infections that progressed to the point of death, it doesn't tell you what future numbers will look like (they are dead, they aren't included in future numbers). The rate of infection is what matters over time

You're right. Only problem is, we have no idea what the actual rate of infection is, because they aren't testing everyone. Therefore, every rate of infection number you are seeing is useless.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Ergel on March 31, 2020, 09:33:22 AM
You're right. Only problem is, we have no idea what the actual rate of infection is, because they aren't testing everyone. Therefore, every rate of infection number you are seeing is useless.
But they weren't testing everyone yesterday or the day before either. Unless you think they are testing fewer people, the rate of infection is not useless
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Lurker on March 31, 2020, 09:38:39 AM
But they weren't testing everyone yesterday or the day before either. Unless you think they are testing fewer people, the rate of infection is not useless

So because testing was random before and it's random now, the numbers magically correlate to meaningful data? They are absolutely testing fewer people. They're telling you stay at home and don't move unless you can't breathe. That's a lot of infected people not getting tested.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yuneeq on March 31, 2020, 09:43:02 AM
CNN: Some good news: Rate of increase of new coronavirus cases appears to be slowing in New York.

An analysis of CNN's count shows that average rate of day-over-day increase for the last seven days was 17% - compared to 58% for the previous seven-day period.

In other news, NY stopped testing as much. Positive tests are growing faster than overall. The good news is that the growth in hospitalizations and deaths is slowing down. And last Thursday was a real disaster apparently. See data I put together based on https://covidtracking.com/data/state/new-york/#history
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on March 31, 2020, 09:43:22 AM
That's some pretty funky math. Forget percentages. Look at the number of deaths. That's the only real number. If you were able to accurately get the number of hospital beds + vents still available, that would also be relevant. Everything else is garbage.
That is a lagging indicator
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on March 31, 2020, 09:45:16 AM
In other news, NY stopped testing as much. Positive tests are growing faster than overall. The good news is that the growth in hospitalizations and deaths is slowing down. And last Thursday was a real disaster apparently. See data I put together based on https://covidtracking.com/data/state/new-york/#history
Which of those are daily and which are cumulative?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yuneeq on March 31, 2020, 09:48:58 AM
Which of those are daily and which are cumulative?

Starting from left to right - "Positive" column is cumulative, next column is the new positive cases for that day, next is the % increase day over day. Same for the rest of sheet basically.

Attached the sheet here.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on March 31, 2020, 12:46:00 PM
https://www.axios.com/fda-coronavirus-two-minute-testing-kit-bodysphere-a665429d-488d-4edf-bd36-9180e2a06e4c.html
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Yammer on March 31, 2020, 01:49:23 PM
https://www.axios.com/fda-coronavirus-two-minute-testing-kit-bodysphere-a665429d-488d-4edf-bd36-9180e2a06e4c.html
Major game changer
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on March 31, 2020, 01:55:09 PM
Major game changer
Yes. especially since it is an antibody test.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on March 31, 2020, 07:03:17 PM
Starting from left to right - "Positive" column is cumulative, next column is the new positive cases for that day, next is the % increase day over day. Same for the rest of sheet basically.

Attached the sheet here.
Do you have a similar sheet for China with daily new cases/deaths/ICU admissions?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yuneeq on April 01, 2020, 12:04:55 AM
Do you have a similar sheet for China with daily new cases/deaths/ICU admissions?

Lol
https://old.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/f9ryz0/r0_value_basic_reproduction_number_how_many_each/
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on April 01, 2020, 12:09:01 AM
Lol
https://old.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/f9ryz0/r0_value_basic_reproduction_number_how_many_each/

I am looking to match up different states to each other. I don't see how to do that there.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Lurker on April 01, 2020, 12:21:26 AM
Do you have a similar sheet for China with daily new cases/deaths/ICU admissions?

Wait, you were serious? You want numbers and charts from China? Lol
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on April 01, 2020, 12:25:51 AM
Wait, you were serious? You want numbers and charts from China? Lol
Yes with the knowledge that they are a bunch of bunk.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Lurker on April 01, 2020, 12:29:37 AM
Yes with the knowledge that they are a bunch of bunk.
So then what's the point? Just make up your own numbers. You may end up closer to the real numbers than anything you can pull online.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on April 01, 2020, 12:30:46 AM
So then what's the point? Just make up your own numbers. You may end up closer to the real numbers than anything you can pull online.
If I see what I think I will then I will show you.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yuneeq on April 01, 2020, 12:38:34 AM
I am looking to match up different states to each other. I don't see how to do that there.

The other provinces in China are where I found the most unbelievable stats. Zhejiang had 1 death in over 1250. Real miracles.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on April 01, 2020, 12:55:12 AM
https://www.axios.com/fda-coronavirus-two-minute-testing-kit-bodysphere-a665429d-488d-4edf-bd36-9180e2a06e4c.html

1. When does this hit the market in volume?

2. Quote from the linked article:

ď Yes, but: The Bodysphere two-minute test can only detect the coronavirus in people who have had the infection for several days, meaning the test can't be used too early on when the body hasn't produced enough antibodies.Ē

That implies that you can be viral and still have some antibodies. Unless this machine can quantify the antibodies to ascertain that youíve reached a certain level, it doesnít say anything about whether youíre still viral.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Boruch Parnes on April 01, 2020, 04:39:10 AM
The other provinces in China are where I found the most unbelievable stats. Zhejiang had 1 death in over 1250. Real miracles.
or real fake news
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: moko on April 01, 2020, 06:59:16 AM
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-kiryat-yearim-successfully-kicks-coronavirus-out-1001324115
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Ergel on April 01, 2020, 07:51:55 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/01/europe/iceland-testing-coronavirus-intl/index.html
This is interesting. 9000 tests of self-selected population. 1% positive (means around 90) and half of them (45) asymptomatic. Not sure if the sample size is large enough, but it's definitely interesting. It's hard to say without more data. But it could mean that in a country with very low infection rates, still asymptomatic people have already been infected at some rate. Meaning that in a country with huge infection rates, maybe the infection rates are really a lot higher than we think. And maybe hospitalization and death rates are lower than we think.

Also this from the article
Quote
StefŠnsson wonders whether mutations in the virus are "responsible, in some way, for how differently people respond to it -- some just develop a mild cold, while some people need a respirator," or whether a person's genetics dictates their condition.
"Or is it a combination of these two?" he asks.
Something I've been wondering aloud for a while
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yuneeq on April 01, 2020, 08:05:37 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/01/europe/iceland-testing-coronavirus-intl/index.html
This is interesting. 9000 tests of self-selected population. 1% positive (means around 90) and half of them (45) asymptomatic. Not sure if the sample size is large enough, but it's definitely interesting. It's hard to say without more data. But it could mean that in a country with very low infection rates, still asymptomatic people have already been infected at some rate. Meaning that in a country with huge infection rates, maybe the infection rates are really a lot higher than we think. And maybe hospitalization and death rates are lower than we think.

Also this from the articleSomething I've been wondering aloud for a while

One thing to keep in mind is that many people can be asymptomatic at time of testing but end up developing symptoms afterwards. WHO also made some claims about this but I wonít even bother.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on April 01, 2020, 08:13:43 AM
One thing to keep in mind is that many people can be asymptomatic at time of testing but end up developing symptoms afterwards. WHO also made some claims about this but I wonít even bother.

Wonder how feasible it is to get these 9000 people to report how theyíre doing in 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Proisrael on April 01, 2020, 08:25:48 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/01/europe/iceland-testing-coronavirus-intl/index.html
This is interesting. 9000 tests of self-selected population. 1% positive (means around 90) and half of them (45) asymptomatic. Not sure if the sample size is large enough, but it's definitely interesting. It's hard to say without more data. But it could mean that in a country with very low infection rates, still asymptomatic people have already been infected at some rate. Meaning that in a country with huge infection rates, maybe the infection rates are really a lot higher than we think. And maybe hospitalization and death rates are lower than we think.

Also this from the articleSomething I've been wondering aloud for a while

Why cant it be that the virus is like a cancer....some people get it in their lungs and others in other places of the body?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yuneeq on April 01, 2020, 08:25:56 AM
Wonder how feasible it is to get these 9000 people to report how theyíre doing in 2 weeks.

There were only 45 asymptomatic people, surely canít be that difficult.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Ergel on April 01, 2020, 08:45:04 AM
There were only 45 asymptomatic people, surely canít be that difficult.
Yup. It seems like Iceland can be a great ground for research because of it's isolation and size
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Ergel on April 01, 2020, 08:45:46 AM
One thing to keep in mind is that many people can be asymptomatic at time of testing but end up developing symptoms afterwards. WHO also made some claims about this but I wonít even bother.
Good point. Would love to see the full numbers on those 9000 tests. How may were symptomatic, level of symptoms, etc.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on April 01, 2020, 10:56:09 AM
https://www.axios.com/fda-coronavirus-two-minute-testing-kit-bodysphere-a665429d-488d-4edf-bd36-9180e2a06e4c.html
Meanwhile it seems that this report, which was reported by Reuters, NYTimes, and more, was a hoax.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/that-viral-story-on-fda-approving-2-minute-cornavirus-test-looks-like-a-cruel-april-fools-hoax
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Joel2 on April 01, 2020, 04:42:27 PM
BECOME A COVID19 SERUM DONOR
If you had COVID19 and have recovered, you can help save a life of someone critically ill from COVID19.
https://covidserum.com/
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Yehuda57 on April 01, 2020, 04:53:13 PM
Meanwhile it seems that this report, which was reported by Reuters, NYTimes, and more, was a hoax.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/that-viral-story-on-fda-approving-2-minute-cornavirus-test-looks-like-a-cruel-april-fools-hoax
Wow.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: chinagel on April 01, 2020, 05:01:34 PM
Wifes grandfather in 70's and with pre-existing conditions was taken off a ventilator BH.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on April 01, 2020, 05:02:57 PM
Meanwhile it seems that this report, which was reported by Reuters, NYTimes, and more, was a hoax.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/that-viral-story-on-fda-approving-2-minute-cornavirus-test-looks-like-a-cruel-april-fools-hoax

What does this say about Reutersí credibility?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on April 01, 2020, 05:04:24 PM
Wifes grandfather in 70's and with pre-existing conditions was taken off a ventilator BH.


BH, wishing him a full and speedy recovery. May all those waiting hear such good news.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on April 01, 2020, 05:07:43 PM
Meanwhile it seems that this report, which was reported by Reuters, NYTimes, and more, was a hoax.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/that-viral-story-on-fda-approving-2-minute-cornavirus-test-looks-like-a-cruel-april-fools-hoax
Thatís nuts. And a sobering reminder of the credibility of certain MSM reporting.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: whYME on April 01, 2020, 05:24:04 PM
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Dearest family and most wonderful community,
Our hearts are overwhelmed with gratitude and we are BEGGING Hashem that every single person who has hospitalized family members should get the  miraculous phone call that we just got.

Boruch Hashem, Rabbi Schwei is off the respirator and breathing!!!
With the support of lots oxygen... and with a long road still ahead, but this a  huge, positive development.
The doctors are calling this a miracle.
Thank you for your wholehearted and constant tefillos that have surely aroused Hashem's incredible rachamim.
We trust that Hashem who brought Rabbi Schwei this far, will grant him complete health, along with every person who needs the same miracle!!
And may we celebrate this Pesach LONG AFTER  the hisgalus of Moshiach Tzidkeinu, with everyone in Klal Yisroel healthy, with no more tears of sorrow, ever, with every broken heart healed, and with all of us dancing with joy!!!
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on April 01, 2020, 05:41:19 PM
What does this say about Reutersí credibility?
Credibility? What Credibility?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Shmobaum on April 02, 2020, 01:52:05 AM
BECOME A COVID19 SERUM DONOR
If you had COVID19 and have recovered, you can help save a life of someone critically ill from COVID19.
https://covidserum.com/
DW was approved today as a potential donor...working with Mount Sinai
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on April 02, 2020, 02:57:58 AM
DW was approved today as a potential donor...working with Mount Sinai
Do you pick who you save?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on April 02, 2020, 08:10:56 AM
Do you pick who you save?

Unlikely.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on April 02, 2020, 08:11:22 AM
DW was approved today as a potential donor...working with Mount Sinai

Whatís it like? What does she have to do? How frequently?

Bottom line, is this more of a proof-of-concept on a small scale, or does this potentially scale up?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Shmobaum on April 02, 2020, 09:01:32 AM
Whatís it like? What does she have to do? How frequently?

Bottom line, is this more of a proof-of-concept on a small scale, or does this potentially scale up?
After the initial blood test to determine eligibility, itís a 90 minutes process where they hook you up to a machine that draws your blood, separates the platelets (antibodies) and reinserts the blood to donor.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: 12HRS on April 02, 2020, 09:30:53 AM
After the initial blood test to determine eligibility, itís a 90 minutes process where they hook you up to a machine that draws your blood, separates the platelets (antibodies) and reinserts the blood to donor.

You sure its platelets and not plasma?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Shmobaum on April 02, 2020, 09:35:17 AM
You sure its platelets and not plasma?
Plasma youíre right.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: knowitall on April 02, 2020, 09:43:01 AM
BECOME A COVID19 SERUM DONOR
If you had COVID19 and have recovered, you can help save a life of someone critically ill from COVID19.
https://covidserum.com/
What if you had symptoms but never got tested?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: eliteflyer on April 02, 2020, 10:02:55 AM
Maybe belongs in the interesting article thread...

Robert Kraft sending the Patriots' 767 on a humanitarian cargo public image lift from Shenzen.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-million-n95-masks-are-coming-from-chinaon-board-the-new-england-patriots-plane-11585821600?mod=hp_lead_pos4

Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yos9694 on April 02, 2020, 10:03:01 AM
Some slightly good news- Italy now officially appears to be on the downswing in terms of new cases and continues to look like it will follow the mathematical progression seen in China's numbers, which would mean that within a couple of weeks or less the number of new cases will shrink to almost none. By end of day today Spain will take Italy's spot as #2 in the world. The USA is only approximately 11 days behind Italy.

Of course, the US is a big place so that just applies to the NY epicenter. Other regions might be spared altogether or might just break out later.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on April 02, 2020, 10:04:35 AM
Maybe belongs in the interesting article thread...

Robert Kraft sending the Patriots' 767 on a humanitarian cargo public image lift from Shenzen.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-million-n95-masks-are-coming-from-chinaon-board-the-new-england-patriots-plane-11585821600?mod=hp_lead_pos4


I fargin the good publicity to anyone who steps up to the plate and actually does something to help.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Shmobaum on April 02, 2020, 10:07:57 AM
What if you had symptoms but never got tested?
Still a candidate. Dw was never tested but was symptomatic
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: skyguy918 on April 02, 2020, 10:46:21 AM
DW was approved today as a potential donor...working with Mount Sinai
When did she contact them? My wife, who had a positive test already almost 2 weeks ago, contacted them more than a week ago, filled out the survey they sent, and heard nothing back yet.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on April 02, 2020, 11:51:01 AM
http://eng.auburn.edu/news/2020/04/auburn-engineers-convert-cpap-into-ventilator.html
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ilherman on April 02, 2020, 11:59:02 AM
After the initial blood test to determine eligibility, itís a 90 minutes process where they hook you up to a machine that draws your blood, separates the platelets (antibodies) and reinserts the blood to donor.
Have they already taken the blood test to see if the body has antibodies? Or they just put her on the list?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on April 02, 2020, 03:03:53 PM
/thread
https://mobile.twitter.com/adamscrabble/status/1245383075854458887

https://swprs.org/open-letter-from-professor-sucharit-bhakdi-to-german-chancellor-dr-angela-merkel/
4. Mortality

The fear of a rise in the death rate in Germany (currently 0.55 percent) is currently the subject of particularly intense media attention. Many people are worried that it could shoot up like in Italy (10 percent) and Spain (7 percent) if action is not taken in time.

At the same time, the mistake is being made worldwide to report virus-related deaths as soon as it is established that the virus was present at the time of death Ė regardless of other factors. This violates a basic principle of infectiology: only when it is certain that an agent has played a significant role in the disease or death may a diagnosis be made. The Association of the Scientific Medical Societies of Germany expressly writes in its guidelines: ĄIn addition to the cause of death, a causal chain must be stated, with the corresponding underlying disease in third place on the death certificate. Occasionally, four-linked causal chains must also be stated.ď [6]

At present there is no official information on whether, at least in retrospect, more critical analyses of medical records have been undertaken to determine how many deaths were actually caused by the virus.

My question: Has Germany simply followed this trend of a COVID-19 general suspicion? And: is it intended to continue this categorisation uncritically as in other countries? How, then, is a distinction to be made between genuine corona-related deaths and accidental virus presence at the time of death?

Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on April 02, 2020, 03:08:31 PM
My understanding is Germany figures only include direct deaths, part of the reason for the lower rate
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Proisrael on April 02, 2020, 03:15:57 PM
/thread
https://mobile.twitter.com/adamscrabble/status/1245383075854458887

https://swprs.org/open-letter-from-professor-sucharit-bhakdi-to-german-chancellor-dr-angela-merkel/
4. Mortality

The fear of a rise in the death rate in Germany (currently 0.55 percent) is currently the subject of particularly intense media attention. Many people are worried that it could shoot up like in Italy (10 percent) and Spain (7 percent) if action is not taken in time.

At the same time, the mistake is being made worldwide to report virus-related deaths as soon as it is established that the virus was present at the time of death Ė regardless of other factors. This violates a basic principle of infectiology: only when it is certain that an agent has played a significant role in the disease or death may a diagnosis be made. The Association of the Scientific Medical Societies of Germany expressly writes in its guidelines: ĄIn addition to the cause of death, a causal chain must be stated, with the corresponding underlying disease in third place on the death certificate. Occasionally, four-linked causal chains must also be stated.ď [6]

At present there is no official information on whether, at least in retrospect, more critical analyses of medical records have been undertaken to determine how many deaths were actually caused by the virus.

My question: Has Germany simply followed this trend of a COVID-19 general suspicion? And: is it intended to continue this categorisation uncritically as in other countries? How, then, is a distinction to be made between genuine corona-related deaths and accidental virus presence at the time of death?

I think this is the biggest problelm with Israels numbers. There were so many 90+ year olds that were niftar and those even between 60-90 that were niftar BUT almost all had, not "other underlying symptoms" but severe and miltiple underlying symptoms. Why are these people counted in the total number of dead?  If you take those out you are looking at a death toll that is .1-.2%!!
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Lurker on April 02, 2020, 03:16:14 PM
Germany's numbers jumped today, anyway, so their rate is going up. As I understand it, every countries numbers are under-reported, and each country (and sometimes states/provinces/regions within those countries) have their own little details as to how the classify the cause of death.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on April 02, 2020, 04:12:41 PM
When did she contact them? My wife, who had a positive test already almost 2 weeks ago, contacted them more than a week ago, filled out the survey they sent, and heard nothing back yet.

There are other places in NYC looking for this, I've seen one circulating.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on April 02, 2020, 04:15:36 PM
After the initial blood test to determine eligibility, itís a 90 minutes process where they hook you up to a machine that draws your blood, separates the platelets (antibodies) and reinserts the blood to donor.

Good stuff, how often can you donate?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Luvisrael on April 02, 2020, 04:28:48 PM
https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-recoveries-update-200000-people-cases-1495323
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on April 02, 2020, 11:31:20 PM
Hopefully this one is real

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/02/health/fda-coronavirus-antibody-test-authorization/index.html
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ilherman on April 02, 2020, 11:45:07 PM
Apparently refuah health center in Monsey is gonna test tomorrow for antibodies. Anyone going?

Trying to understand, there are multiple different reports as for how long you are a carrier of the virus once you are positive. If it's true let's say that you are a carrier for 3 weeks after testing, what would help if you have antibodies to let you go back out back to work etc? You could still put others at risk?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Shmobaum on April 03, 2020, 12:47:58 AM
Good stuff, how often can you donate?
Donít know. Will have all the details this Monday iyh..
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Shmobaum on April 03, 2020, 12:50:22 AM
Have they already taken the blood test to see if the body has antibodies? Or they just put her on the list?
Yes. They called back three days after first blood test that sheís a candidate
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Shmobaum on April 03, 2020, 12:52:08 AM
When did she contact them? My wife, who had a positive test already almost 2 weeks ago, contacted them more than a week ago, filled out the survey they sent, and heard nothing back yet.
They were pretty quick to respond...
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: pomy100 on April 03, 2020, 01:20:50 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8167773/Nobel-Prize-winning-scientist-claims-coronavirus-outbreaks-New-York-Italy-finally-SLOWING.html
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yuneeq on April 03, 2020, 01:43:30 AM
Would like to share some good news here, I have a friend that started buying masks for first responders earlier this week, and I contacted him to turn into a real campaign when I noticed how badly Hatzalah and other orgs needed the supplies. In the past 48 hours since we started, we created an organization with branding and have already raised 10's of thousands of dollars using dozens of professionals volunteering their time and obtaining supplies sold at cost or donated. I haven't slept much since then, but I'm extremely impressed how it is all coming together from people all over...Mi Keamcha yisroel!

https://charidy.com/supplies4lives/63300

P.s. It's definitely more fulfilling to help those who are helping us than to spend time reading charts and predicting how this doomsday scenario will play out.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: simplicity on April 03, 2020, 01:54:30 AM
B'H!!!
Reb Nosson Stein from lkwd, came out of the hospital!!
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on April 03, 2020, 02:02:40 AM
B'H!!!
Reb Nosson Stein from lkwd, came out of the hospital!!
BH!
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Iz on April 03, 2020, 07:20:21 AM
How about a thread dedicated to חולים שנתרפאו ב"ה?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yungermanchik on April 03, 2020, 09:23:33 AM
Would like to share some good news here, I have a friend that started buying masks for first responders earlier this week, and I contacted him to turn into a real campaign when I noticed how badly Hatzalah and other orgs needed the supplies. In the past 48 hours since we started, we created an organization with branding and have already raised 10's of thousands of dollars using dozens of professionals volunteering their time and obtaining supplies sold at cost or donated. I haven't slept much since then, but I'm extremely impressed how it is all coming together from people all over...Mi Keamcha yisroel!

https://charidy.com/supplies4lives/63300

P.s. It's definitely more fulfilling to help those who are helping us than to spend time reading charts and predicting how this doomsday scenario will play out.
Donated. thank you @yuneeq for this unique opportunity!
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yuneeq on April 03, 2020, 09:55:59 AM
Donated. thank you @yuneeq for this unique opportunity!

Thank you!
If anyone knows of an org that needs supplies, tell them to contact Covid19suppliesfund (at) gmail or 212-913-0555.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: simplicity on April 03, 2020, 01:59:37 PM
Hodu L'Hashem !!!
Reb Yossel Mermelstein shlit"a was let out of the hospital!!
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: junion on April 03, 2020, 04:54:13 PM
How about a thread dedicated to חולים שנתרפאו ב"ה?
Done
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=115442.0
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Joel2 on April 04, 2020, 10:27:10 PM
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Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ari3 on April 04, 2020, 10:55:33 PM
If less bad news counts as good news it seems the bad news is slowing. Not hearing of so many new infections hospitalizations etc. Maybe some of the people on here that are connected in hatzola bikur cholim hospitals etc. can confirm if this is the case. Hopefully all the shutdowns are finally slowing down the virus.
Last motzei shabbos was terrible b"h sounds better this week.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on April 04, 2020, 10:59:50 PM
If less bad news counts as good news it seems the bad news is slowing. Not hearing of so many new infections hospitalizations etc. Maybe some of the people on here that are connected in hatzola bikur cholim hospitals etc. can confirm if this is the case. Hopefully all the shutdowns are finally slowing down the virus.
Last motzei shabbos was terrible b"h sounds better this week.
https://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2020/04/chasdei-hashem-few-coronavirus-related-calls-to-hatzolah-of-central-jersey-lakewood-over-shabbos-motzei-shabbos.html
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: EliJelly on April 04, 2020, 11:02:10 PM
https://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2020/04/chasdei-hashem-few-coronavirus-related-calls-to-hatzolah-of-central-jersey-lakewood-over-shabbos-motzei-shabbos.html
Heard the same for Brooklyn. B"H!!
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Shmobaum on April 05, 2020, 12:00:23 AM

I was on the White House Faith Leaders Call on COVID 19 Response on Friday and the Surgeon General said that from the data he sees, 99.5% of ppl who had the virus and recovered have immunity for a significant amount of time. He also said that as of now, the virus hasnít (BH!) mutated so thereís one strain of the virus.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yesitsme on April 05, 2020, 12:06:58 AM
C/P

There was a bakery in beit shemesh where the boss caught corona, so the health ministry went to test every one of the 24 workers and they all had caught it..... Except for one person. They tested his whole family and none of them had it. They asked him why he hadn't caught it and his wife explained that since it is well known that onions are good to stop a cold/cough, she had left a half onion in every room in the house. The health officials took the onions and tested them and found inside them.... INACTIVE/DEAD corona virus... Pls pass on to your contacts.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Yehuda57 on April 05, 2020, 12:19:46 AM
C/P

There was a bakery in beit shemesh where the boss caught corona, so the health ministry went to test every one of the 24 workers and they all had caught it..... Except for one person. They tested his whole family and none of them had it. They asked him why he hadn't caught it and his wife explained that since it is well known that onions are good to stop a cold/cough, she had left a half onion in every room in the house. The health officials took the onions and tested them and found inside them.... INACTIVE/DEAD corona virus... Pls pass on to your contacts.
I didn't get Corona and I bite my toenails every night before I go to sleep. Please forward to all your contacts
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yesitsme on April 05, 2020, 12:21:37 AM
I didn't get Corona and I bite my toenails every night before I go to sleep. Please forward to all your contacts
;D
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: zh cohen on April 05, 2020, 12:22:49 AM
C/P

There was a bakery in beit shemesh where the boss caught corona, so the health ministry went to test every one of the 24 workers and they all had caught it..... Except for one person. They tested his whole family and none of them had it. They asked him why he hadn't caught it and his wife explained that since it is well known that onions are good to stop a cold/cough, she had left a half onion in every room in the house. The health officials took the onions and tested them and found inside them.... INACTIVE/DEAD corona virus... Pls pass on to your contacts.

Maybe all his co-workers stayed away from him because he smelled like onions
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on April 05, 2020, 12:24:37 AM
I didn't get Corona and I bite my toenails every night before I go to sleep. Please forward to all your contacts
Are you doubting the half an onion protected them? I think itís genius
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yeshivabucher on April 05, 2020, 12:26:07 AM
Are you doubting the half an onion protected them? I think itís genius
get us a credible  source reporting on this and then we can talk
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Yehuda57 on April 05, 2020, 12:27:03 AM
Are you doubting the half an onion protected them? I think itís genius
I'm not doubting a thing! I only came to add. If you want to bite the toenails while also eating raw onion, more power to you.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: good sam on April 05, 2020, 12:39:29 AM
It's wrong to only report half the story. The truth is they left out onions AND forwarded it to 10 people. It will not work without doing both.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: hvaces42 on April 05, 2020, 12:41:26 AM
It's wrong to only report half the story. The truth is they left out onions AND forwarded it to 10 people. It will not work without doing both.
I heard there is a shortage of onions for pesach now. Are they being hoarded or are we going to be being price gouged this week?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Chief Rabbi of New York on April 05, 2020, 12:53:05 AM
I didn't get Corona and I bite my toenails every night before I go to sleep. Please forward to all your contacts

Was there also dead corona cells in your toe nails ?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Yehuda57 on April 05, 2020, 12:53:47 AM
Was there also dead corona cells in your toe nails ?
Nothing can live there
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: chevron on April 05, 2020, 12:56:00 AM
I didn't get Corona and I bite my toenails every night before I go to sleep. Please forward to all your contacts

The only way I could bite my toe nails is if I cut them off first, how can you reach
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Yehuda57 on April 05, 2020, 12:56:36 AM
The only way I could bite my toe nails is if I cut them off first, how can you reach
You do what you need to to protect yourself
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Dan on April 05, 2020, 01:00:26 AM
I didn't get Corona and I bite my toenails every night before I go to sleep. Please forward to all your contacts
Maybe all his co-workers stayed away from him because he smelled like onions
It's wrong to only report half the story. The truth is they left out onions AND forwarded it to 10 people. It will not work without doing both.
Thanks for the laughs guys. Needed it after reading the thread rightfully deleted by @Something Fishy
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on April 05, 2020, 01:01:50 AM
Thanks for the laughs guys. Needed it after reading the thread rightfully deleted by @Something Fishy
Yet the likes I got remained.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on April 05, 2020, 01:02:16 AM
Thanks for the laughs guys. Needed it after reading the thread rightfully deleted by @Something Fishy
I maintain that itís genius
Yet the likes I got remained.
How often do you check?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ah giten on April 05, 2020, 01:03:00 AM
Yet the likes I got remained.
was actually wondering what happens with the like....
isn't it like חוטא נשכר?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Dan on April 05, 2020, 01:04:34 AM
This is funny but Iím pretty sure itís the wrong thread ;)
Moved to humor, but I suppose #TheOnion should also go there...
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ah giten on April 05, 2020, 01:04:46 AM
I maintain that itís geniusHow often do you check?
i think @S209 handed out just today more likes than he himself has...
be kind, refill his/her like account.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yesitsme on April 05, 2020, 01:41:46 AM
Thanks for the laughs guys. Needed it after reading the thread rightfully deleted by @Something Fishy
fill me in, what did I miss?
I did notice 1 like was removed, will investigate

oh that was given by @aygart about the musser offense, got it
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Dan on April 05, 2020, 01:44:19 AM
fill me in, what did I miss?
Thanks, I hadn't seen this thread until your mention pinged me. Now I need to bleach my eyes again.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: KSMH on April 05, 2020, 01:47:04 AM
I didn't get Corona and I bite my toenails every night before I go to sleep. Please forward to all your contacts
No wonder. Ur immune system should be built by now.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: zh cohen on April 05, 2020, 01:47:19 AM


It seems I owe someone an apology
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Shmobaum on April 05, 2020, 02:25:21 AM
Which thread was a victim to covid-19??
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ah giten on April 05, 2020, 02:55:59 AM
Which thread was a victim to covid-19??
The reason behind it.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: dealfinder11 on April 05, 2020, 10:54:03 AM
Heard that Hatzalah in Lakewood, Monsey and Boro Park has seen a decline in call volume over the last week. Also hearing similar from bikur cholim. There is a theory that that the frum community got hit earlier because of Purim and therefore is peaking earlier than the country as a whole. The one benefit to this (for the frum community) is obviously the healthcare resources. Time will tell. We need to keep davening and take every precaution we can.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Chapshnell on April 05, 2020, 12:39:38 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/05/style/coronavirus-honeymoon-stranded.html
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ah giten on April 05, 2020, 02:32:15 PM
Heard that Hatzalah in Lakewood, Monsey and Boro Park has seen a decline in call volume over the last week. Also hearing similar from bikur cholim. There is a theory that that the frum community got hit earlier because of Purim and therefore is peaking earlier than the country as a whole. The one benefit to this (for the frum community) is obviously the healthcare resources. Time will tell. We need to keep davening and take every precaution we can.
Wanted to post a while ago, that the purim exposure was to our advantage, so we got it while the hospitals can still handle us...
Nobody will know, but Yad Hashem had everything planned out.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Luvisrael on April 05, 2020, 06:40:17 PM
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/europe-sees-signs-hope-italys-virus-curve-falls-69987914

Also heard on the news that NY may have begun plateauing as well but will have to wait a few dayís to know for sure. Besuros tovos!
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on April 05, 2020, 06:43:21 PM
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/europe-sees-signs-hope-italys-virus-curve-falls-69987914

Also heard on the news that NY may have begun plateauing as well but will have to wait a few dayís to know for sure. Besuros tovos!

Hmmmm Nice if true.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Luvisrael on April 05, 2020, 06:47:40 PM
Hmmmm Nice if true.
desperately would like to believe so
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on April 05, 2020, 06:50:04 PM
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/europe-sees-signs-hope-italys-virus-curve-falls-69987914

Also heard on the news that NY may have begun plateauing as well but will have to wait a few dayís to know for sure. Besuros tovos!

Cautiously hoping (and davening) for good news. Not to be too negative in this thread, but this article states:

ď Borrelli also noted with a measure of satisfaction that the number of those hospitalized but not in ICU beds also has decreased.Ē

Itís a net decrease, but how much of it is attributable to discharged patients vs. patients escalated to ICU (or RĒL worse...)?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on April 05, 2020, 06:51:07 PM
Hmmmm Nice if true.

Details on the study? Double-blind controlled? How many patients?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Luvisrael on April 05, 2020, 06:54:57 PM
Cautiously hoping (and davening) for good news. Not to be too negative in this thread, but this article states:

ď Borrelli also noted with a measure of satisfaction that the number of those hospitalized but not in ICU beds also has decreased.Ē

Itís a net decrease, but how much of it is attributable to discharged patients vs. patients escalated to ICU (or RĒL worse...)?
the part right before that says the number of ICU covid occupants has decreased as well
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on April 05, 2020, 06:59:29 PM
the part right before that says the number of ICU covid occupants has decreased as well

tbh I skimmed it and missed that, I guess we need to hope the trend continues, the numbers are staggering.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on April 05, 2020, 07:02:15 PM
Details on the study? Double-blind controlled? How many patients?
No study at all. Just a reporter noting how the 2 matched up.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Dawie on April 05, 2020, 07:13:00 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/05/style/coronavirus-honeymoon-stranded.html
Best part is now the SA govt is paying for them and some other people to stay out of RSA
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ztide on April 05, 2020, 07:58:57 PM
Wanted to post a while ago, that the purim exposure was to our advantage, so we got it while the hospitals can still handle us...
Nobody will know, but Yad Hashem had everything planned out.
half the people on ventilators are jewish mostly chassidish
pesach will be the next peak
its insane and embarrassing to us all
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on April 05, 2020, 08:16:11 PM
half the people on ventilators are jewish mostly chassidish
pesach will be the next peak
its insane and embarrassing to us all
Source? Is this all over or in a specific hospital?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yuneeq on April 05, 2020, 08:45:11 PM
Wanted to post a while ago, that the purim exposure was to our advantage, so we got it while the hospitals can still handle us...
Nobody will know, but Yad Hashem had everything planned out.

There's at least 2 other ways to looks at this -
-There was no need for us to be pioneers and lose so many of our brethren. If we stayed home from before Purim we would have saved so many.
-Hashem has his plans regardless, so both what I'm quoting and the above reason are meaningless.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on April 05, 2020, 08:50:16 PM
Best part is now the SA govt is paying for them and some other people to stay out of RSA
I missed that part. It said that their extended stay was (even at a reduced rate) chipping away at their savings.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: simplicity on April 05, 2020, 08:53:14 PM
half the people on ventilators are jewish mostly chassidish
pesach will be the next peak
its insane and embarrassing to us all
ridiculous thing to say, first of all itís not true, to prove it the numbers are staggering even in places that Jewish people have not stepped in to, 2nd of all,from first places to have confirmed cases amongst us yidden was a institution probably the most polar opposite to do with chassidim!! Hameivin yavin!!
Plz let this FAKE NEWS stop creating sinas chinum against each other and then maybe Hashem will have rachamim on us and be mívatel this terrible gzeira from upon us!!
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: RewardsAddict on April 05, 2020, 09:23:37 PM
pesach will be the next peak
I don't know about you, but most people I spoke to, including me, are staying home for pesach.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Iz on April 05, 2020, 09:47:08 PM
I don't know about you, but most people I spoke to, including me, are staying home for pesach.
That's a funny sentence.  ;)
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yungermanchik on April 05, 2020, 09:48:47 PM
That's a funny sentence.  ;)
Under these circumstances, it is considered normal to speak to oneself ;D
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ah giten on April 05, 2020, 09:49:23 PM
There is good  news, @Dan put together an amazing roundup.
Most of it was posted here, but putting it together in a post, is nice.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Sport on April 05, 2020, 10:07:24 PM
Details on the study? Double-blind controlled? How many patients?
Dont know about any studies but I know of at least one hospital that is putting every pt admitted for covid-19 on this regimen. I have to imagine theres some evidence that they're basing this on.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on April 05, 2020, 10:21:27 PM
Dont know about any studies but I know of at least one hospital that is putting every pt admitted for covid-19 on this regimen. I have to imagine theres some evidence that they're basing this on.
Maybe they should let Dr Fauci know because he is not seeing any evidence it works.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ari3 on April 05, 2020, 10:24:50 PM
half the people on ventilators are jewish mostly chassidish
pesach will be the next peak
its insane and embarrassing to us all
BTW in case you cant read the news the worst neighborhoods in NYC are in Queens and not Jewish, Where do you get your statistics that half the people on ventilators are Chasidic Jews. There are enough haters out there we don't need one here.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Yehuda57 on April 05, 2020, 10:34:05 PM
half the people on ventilators are jewish mostly chassidish
pesach will be the next peak
its insane and embarrassing to us all
Half the people where? In the USA? In Bnei Brak? In NY? In Miamonodies? In NYU? In your dreams? In your basement?

If you are gonna post stuff like this, back it up.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on April 05, 2020, 10:39:37 PM
Does anyone read the title of the thread before they post?  :)
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ah giten on April 05, 2020, 10:46:26 PM
Does anyone read the title of the thread before they post?  :)
yes, every morning.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Dan on April 05, 2020, 10:47:00 PM
There is good  news, @Dan put together an amazing roundup.
Most of it was posted here, but putting it together in a post, is nice.
Thanks :)
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: KSMH on April 05, 2020, 11:19:50 PM
Thanks :)
I shall compliment you as well.

I stopped reading many news sites that keep pushing negative news.... but instead read sites such as Ars.... and yours, u fit  the news in such a humorous and none negative tone. It was just a pleasure to read your roundup today.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: EliJelly on April 05, 2020, 11:31:49 PM
I shall compliment you as well.

I stopped reading many news sites that keep pushing negative news.... but instead read sites such as Ars.... and yours, u fit  the news in such a humorous and none negative tone. It was just a pleasure to read your roundup today.
!ג׳׳א מצטרף להנ׳׳ל
Was a nice read, and seeing multiple things that was covered here so nicely put together was cool.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Yehuda57 on April 05, 2020, 11:43:11 PM
There is good  news, @Dan put together an amazing roundup.
Most of it was posted here, but putting it together in a post, is nice.

Honored to be included, thanks Dan
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on April 05, 2020, 11:54:35 PM
You are all welcome for the thread.  :)
I guess every thread I start is to bash Trump is #fakenews!!!
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: KSMH on April 06, 2020, 12:12:25 AM
You are all welcome for the thread.  :)
I guess every thread I start is to bash Trump is #fakenews!!!
On the same tone.
A lady I know with covid-19, pneumonia and fever for over a week had her first day today, without fever. She started taking the trump hydroxychloroquine cocktail on thursday.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ilherman on April 06, 2020, 12:14:20 AM
Do we have a bad news thread?

The plasma thing we were talking here about that mt Sinai was doing. For now it seems like it's not really worth anything  :'(

Its really just the beginning of the study so let's hope it ends up working out but I know from someone inside that it was given to someone and his symptoms only got worse.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on April 06, 2020, 12:19:54 AM
On the same tone.
A lady I know with covid-19, pneumonia and fever for over a week had her first day today, without fever. She started taking the trump hydroxychloroquine cocktail on thursday.
...and maybe if she didn't take it the fever would have been gone on Friday?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ari3 on April 06, 2020, 01:29:01 AM
Thanks :)
Just had a chance to read the roundup. Great job! Very clear and well organized. I guess this replaces the Sunday Airline news roundup.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Shmobaum on April 06, 2020, 01:52:54 AM
Do we have a bad news thread?

The plasma thing we were talking here about that mt Sinai was doing. For now it seems like it's not really worth anything  :'(

Its really just the beginning of the study so let's hope it ends up working out but I know from someone inside that it was given to someone and his symptoms only got worse.
Anecdotal evidence? Read up on it...
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Proisrael on April 06, 2020, 07:06:46 AM
Total Cases:
4,347 (+25% in 48 hours used to be doubling every 3 days)

15 Niftar=.35% (No change in fatality rate)

176 Moderate to Severe (4.1% a .6% rise from 2 days ago)

BH it looks like quarantine is working for most of the population.

Total Cases is now 8,611 which means we just about doubled in 7 days

Moderate to Severe cases is 332 or 3.8% of all cases (a decrease of .3%)

Niftar at 51 R"L .6% fatality rate (up from .35%)

For all the absolute hate that Litzman is taking, I think these numbers are fantastic relative to other developed countries. If you took Jerusalem/Bnei Beraq out of the picture the numbers would be a lot lot lower.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on April 06, 2020, 09:44:05 AM
https://medium.com/@jperla/how-to-change-global-policy-when-you-are-not-a-billionaire-4ef05aa357c5
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Lurker on April 06, 2020, 09:55:25 AM
https://medium.com/@jperla/how-to-change-global-policy-when-you-are-not-a-billionaire-4ef05aa357c5

I'd like to see an investigation into the autonomy of the USSG and the CDC. I wonder how much they can say on their own and how much they serve at the pleasure.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on April 06, 2020, 10:42:19 AM
I'd like to see an investigation into the autonomy of the USSG and the CDC. I wonder how much they can say on their own and how much they serve at the pleasure.
That is dependent on each position within. Don't forget that this was WHO guidance as well.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Lurker on April 06, 2020, 10:48:17 AM
That is dependent on each position within. Don't forget that this was WHO guidance as well.

WHO isn't a US government position or organization. We can get how much we want to rely on their info, but they don't set US policy. The CDC and USSG do.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on April 06, 2020, 10:53:10 AM
WHO isn't a US government position or organization. We can get how much we want to rely on their info, but they don't set US policy. The CDC and USSG do.
True, but it is not a shock when CDC and the rest of the world (as you have pointed out elsewhere) follow their guidance.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Lurker on April 06, 2020, 10:56:09 AM
True, but it is not a shock when CDC and the rest of the world (as you have pointed out elsewhere) follow their guidance.

Separate issue. Where the US agencies get their info from will be fully vetted when this is over, if not during this crisis itself. My question is, after they get their info from wherever they get it from, how much autonomy do they have to give guidance and how much does the Oval Office get to filter what that guidance is?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on April 06, 2020, 10:58:07 AM
Separate issue. Where the US agencies get their info from will be fully vetted when this is over, if not during this crisis itself. My question is, after they get their info from wherever they get it from, how much autonomy do they have to give guidance and how much does the Oval Office get to filter what that guidance is?

All of this will be coming out over time. There will be no shortage of people looking to gain political advantage out of this when the dust clears (and earlier).
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on April 06, 2020, 11:27:45 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/a-potential-coronavirus-vaccine-funded-by-bill-gates-is-set-to-begin-testing-in-people-with-the-first-patient-expected-to-get-it-today/ar-BB12e01f?ocid=spartanntp
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yos9694 on April 06, 2020, 01:12:29 PM
Some slightly good news- Italy now officially appears to be on the downswing in terms of new cases and continues to look like it will follow the mathematical progression seen in China's numbers, which would mean that within a couple of weeks or less the number of new cases will shrink to almost none. By end of day today Spain will take Italy's spot as #2 in the world. The USA is only approximately 11 days behind Italy.

Of course, the US is a big place so that just applies to the NY epicenter. Other regions might be spared altogether or might just break out later.

Washington State is giving back ventilators. If you can still recall (feels like years ago) Washington was the first place to get hit with this, and NY was a week behind. This is emerging almost exactly as mathematical models have predicted.
https://www.brownsvilleherald.com/life/washington-state-returns-ventilators-for-use-in-new-york/article_98ae4470-54f3-5ab8-887e-262d246bf5d0.html
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on April 06, 2020, 02:00:56 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/a-potential-coronavirus-vaccine-funded-by-bill-gates-is-set-to-begin-testing-in-people-with-the-first-patient-expected-to-get-it-today/ar-BB12e01f?ocid=spartanntp

Does everyone who gets vaccinated get tested to see if theyíre infected? Other than ruling out side effects, how do they know it works?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on April 06, 2020, 02:05:32 PM
Does everyone who gets vaccinated get tested to see if theyíre infected? Other than ruling out side effects, how do they know it works?
Herd immunity.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ari3 on April 06, 2020, 02:13:48 PM
Does everyone who gets vaccinated get tested to see if theyíre infected? Other than ruling out side effects, how do they know it works?
If people who are vaccinated have a lower rate of infection that the general population. Similar to the flu vaccine that they say is 60% effective. I assume that number comes from the fact that people who have been vaccinated are 60% less likely to catch the flu.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ckmk47 on April 06, 2020, 02:30:26 PM
With the flu vaccine, theyíre guessing each year about which strain will be prevalent.  With this vaccine thereís only 1 strain (I think).  So it should be a lot more effective than 60%.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on April 06, 2020, 02:38:27 PM
With the flu vaccine, theyíre guessing each year about which strain will be prevalent.  With this vaccine thereís only 1 strain (I think).  So it should be a lot more effective than 60%.
For now.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on April 06, 2020, 02:43:11 PM
Good news and good question

Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on April 07, 2020, 09:02:22 AM
If people who are vaccinated have a lower rate of infection that the general population. Similar to the flu vaccine that they say is 60% effective. I assume that number comes from the fact that people who have been vaccinated are 60% less likely to catch the flu.

Slow down. Thereís a vaccine trial for a proposed COVID-19 vaccine thatís being tested. 1000 people get the vaccine as part of the trial. If out of those 1000 people 17 test positive for COVID-19, what exactly does that tell us about the immunity of the other 983, maybe they just happened to have not gotten infected?

Unless theyíre testing the vaccine on front line medical professionals who are going to risk it and treat patients without PPE because theyíre presumed to be immunized.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: zagguru on April 07, 2020, 02:01:52 PM
Slow down. Thereís a vaccine trial for a proposed COVID-19 vaccine thatís being tested. 1000 people get the vaccine as part of the trial. If out of those 1000 people 17 test positive for COVID-19, what exactly does that tell us about the immunity of the other 983, maybe they just happened to have not gotten infected?

Unless theyíre testing the vaccine on front line medical professionals who are going to risk it and treat patients without PPE because theyíre presumed to be immunized.

There were talks about exposing the people in the vaccine trial to the virus to test its effectiveness
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ari3 on April 07, 2020, 02:24:20 PM
There were talks about exposing the people in the vaccine trial to the virus to test its effectiveness
Would you knowingly expose yourself to a dangerous virus to test a vaccine?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: YitzyS on April 07, 2020, 06:16:28 PM
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: KSMH on April 07, 2020, 09:11:10 PM
12 new patients sick enough to be tested.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: etech0 on April 07, 2020, 09:13:09 PM
12 new patients sick enough to be tested.
12 positive results came back today. When do you think they were tested?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: zagguru on April 07, 2020, 09:36:57 PM
Would you knowingly expose yourself to a dangerous virus to test a vaccine?

I am not saying that I would. But the people who are in clinical trials are also putting themselves at a risk by accepting the vaccine to begin with. They have no idea what the adverse effects of that vaccine can be.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ztide on April 08, 2020, 12:50:45 PM
I am not saying that I would. But the people who are in clinical trials are also putting themselves at a risk by accepting the vaccine to begin with. They have no idea what the adverse effects of that vaccine can be.
prior vaccine candidates with SARS 1 caused a hyper immune response when actually infected- worsening the outcome and not protecting.
With SARS 1 gone, vaccine research stopped. But it is very possible that the first vaccines developed for covid will do the same.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ztide on April 08, 2020, 12:57:19 PM
12 new patients sick enough to be tested.
exactly.
which basically means about a week ago they were infected. No telling how many were infected since then.
it also means about 300-600 actual infections as most people infected don't get tested, mainly just those that are hospitalized are and most don't get hospitalized
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: chevron on April 11, 2020, 09:02:47 PM
Where's the post about the Nobel prize winner saying he would be surprised if they're over 10 deaths in Israel.

It's at 100+

Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on April 11, 2020, 09:04:06 PM
Where's the post about the Nobel prize winner saying he would be surprised if they're over 10 deaths in Israel.

It's at 100+
I guess he is surprised?
Maybe having dinner with the guy who said 15 will be 0?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Shmobaum on April 12, 2020, 02:01:09 AM
Heard from a BP Hatzalah member that over the 3 day Yom Tov they only had 5 calls that were Covid-19 related.
Tyh
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Proisrael on April 12, 2020, 02:41:32 AM
Israel has had a decline of 6+% of people on ventilators BH!!!

10,878 tested positive

174 severe cases  (-3.3% in past 24 hours)

123 on ventilators (-6.8% in past 24 hours)

Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on April 12, 2020, 02:43:10 AM
Heard from a BP Hatzalah member that over the 3 day Yom Tov they only had 5 calls that were Covid-19 related.
Tyh
Heard from one in Lakewood that they only had ONE. Not sure if he meant transports or calls tho.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Proisrael on April 12, 2020, 02:46:01 AM
Where's the post about the Nobel prize winner saying he would be surprised if they're over 10 deaths in Israel.

It's at 100+

What about the ones that predicted 5000 in severe conditions with 2000+ dead (in Israel)? The nobel peace guy is a hell of a lot closer. This has destroyed dozens of families in the frum world. But the hysteric people were predicting thousands of dead in the frum community. This is the good news thread, lets keep it that way
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Dan on April 12, 2020, 02:48:51 AM
What about the ones that predicted 5000 in severe conditions with 2000+ dead (in Israel)? The nobel peace guy is a hell of a lot closer. This has destroyed dozens of families in the frum world. But the hysteric people were predicting thousands of dead in the frum community. This is the good news thread, lets keep it that way
That was without social distancing  ::)
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Proisrael on April 12, 2020, 02:50:24 AM
That was without social distancing  ::)

Israel had social distancing from the day after purim. These predictions were made after.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yelped on April 12, 2020, 08:29:02 AM
Israel had social distancing from the day after purim. These predictions were made after.
As long as those dire predictions kept people home and saved even one life, it was worth it.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Shmobaum on April 12, 2020, 09:22:23 AM
Heard from one in Lakewood that they only had ONE. Not sure if he meant transports or calls tho.
Lakewood had one call on Shabbos. Not sure about the first two days of YT...
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on April 12, 2020, 09:29:31 AM
As long as those dire predictions kept people home and saved even one life, it was worth it.

Yes and no. If we shut down indefinitely weíd have less car accidents, less flu deaths, etc. etc. life does have to go on and there is probably a threshold that has to be considered tolerable. Iím not sure how that decision is made and Iím sure whatever formula theyíd use would have lots of people disagreeing and wanting stricter/more lenient guidelines.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Proisrael on April 12, 2020, 10:17:51 AM
As long as those dire predictions kept people home and saved even one life, it was worth it.

If we banned cars we would also be saving lives....is that worth it?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on April 12, 2020, 10:50:45 AM
If we banned cars we would also be saving lives....is that worth it?
Are you seriously making this argument or just pointing out that to save *one* life alone it wouldnít have been worth it?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yuneeq on April 12, 2020, 11:01:04 AM
Israel had social distancing from the day after purim. These predictions were made after.

Thatís like saying thereís no chillul Shabbos in Jerusalem because the buses arenít running. If people arenít actually social distancing, and the number of confirmed cases keep climbing, thereís no reason to believe ďmin hatevaĒ that the death rate and death count wonít keep going up. A few weeks ago the same people were claiming S. Korea and Germany have the best data, and only 0.5% death rate. Well now both are at 2% and up. They also pointed at the US 1.4% death rate, and thatís it probably very exaggerated. Well despite massive increases in testing, it now almost 3x that number.

If we want this thread to have any good news, we have to stop with the ridiculous rosy predictions and stop telling everyone to continue life as usual.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: JunkYardUnz on April 12, 2020, 11:01:23 AM
Is is just me or did other folks also see families coming from out to town to in-laws parents for Yom Tov when everyone said not to. Iím working on myself to be don lachav zechos, but itís hard.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on April 12, 2020, 11:07:58 AM
Is is just me or did other folks also see families coming from out to town to in-laws parents for Yom Tov when everyone said not to. Iím working on myself to be don lachav zechos, but itís hard.
You donít know everybodyís situation, there definitely are many different situations and risk factors and I hope everything was discussed with a Rav/doctor but A) There definitely are/were some people breaking the rules without adequate reason and B) Judging just by the amount of young people I saw home on my walks over Yom Tov, there definitely was a large majority of people who stayed home and followed orders.

Donít be jealous of those rule-breakers, be glad you were smart and listened. I am not pointing fingers but I know someone who wasnít taking this seriously and visited an older gentleman after Purim, someone who gets very few visitors (no family), while both were feeling fine. This person started showing symptoms of corona afterwards, and the older gentleman has since passed away rĒl.. we donít know whoís actions cause what but I for one am glad to have done my part to help keep my parents safe this Yom Tov BH.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yuneeq on April 12, 2020, 11:14:02 AM
Is is just me or did other folks also see families coming from out to town to in-laws parents for Yom Tov when everyone said not to. Iím working on myself to be don lachav zechos, but itís hard.

On my block in Lakewood, out of 18 families every single family stayed home. Nearly every single one would have went to family. Most are young and married less than 10 years, and most were still planning on going a week before Pesach.

Perhaps there was a small percentage of non-compliance, but BH it looked very good overall from my viewpoint, and far beyond expectations.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yuneeq on April 12, 2020, 11:17:03 AM
Eli Beer breathing on his own again
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: joeb1 on April 12, 2020, 11:20:13 AM
Baruch HaShem !!!!
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: joeb1 on April 12, 2020, 11:22:22 AM
Is is just me or did other folks also see families coming from out to town to in-laws parents for Yom Tov when everyone said not to. Iím working on myself to be don lachav zechos, but itís hard.

Most people listened
This is a very small group of reckless ppl
Not the bulk of us at all
In my neighborhood where there is barely a Minyan Pesach 99% stayed home
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: pomy100 on April 12, 2020, 11:23:24 AM
On my block in Lakewood, out of 18 families every single family stayed home. Nearly every single one would have went to family. Most are young and married less than 10 years, and most were still planning on going a week before Pesach.

Perhaps there was a small percentage of non-compliance, but BH it looked very good overall from my viewpoint, and far beyond expectations.
Out in Chicago , I second this. Was a real quiet YT with people really following the rules
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on April 12, 2020, 11:27:20 AM
Is is just me or did other folks also see families coming from out to town to in-laws parents for Yom Tov when everyone said not to. Iím working on myself to be don lachav zechos, but itís hard.
I know a family who went to parents for various reasons after discussing with doctors how to properly do a full quarantine without stepping for out of their house for over 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on April 12, 2020, 11:40:27 AM
Eli Beer breathing on his own again

BH, hope he recovers speedily and fully.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on April 12, 2020, 11:54:24 AM
I know a family who went to parents for various reasons after discussing with doctors how to properly do a full quarantine without stepping for out of their house for over 2 weeks.
I have a friend who (he and his wife/child) didnít open the door to his apartment once except twice to get the delivered groceries at his door, after wiping down everything with disinfectant, for 3 full weeks. His father-in-lawís family did the same. Then, after approval from their doctor, he went for Yom Tov, for good reason.

Some people, even if they seem reckless, are actually being really careful.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: simple26 on April 12, 2020, 12:03:15 PM
I know a family where EVERYBODY had it so they did come to parents
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: good sam on April 12, 2020, 12:07:25 PM
I have not had a cigarette in 8 days
I don't know how long it's been, maybe a month? Will not last after quarantine but nice to know I could.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Iz on April 12, 2020, 12:17:36 PM
I don't know how long it's been, maybe a month? Will not last after quarantine but nice to know I could.
Why? If you could, you should!
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on April 12, 2020, 12:21:46 PM
Why? If you could, you should!
Not to sound pedantic or judgemental, but smoking actually kills about 480,000 people in the US each year, including 41,000 from secondhand smoke.. Thatís far worse than most estimates for coronavirus, and thatís every year.

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fast_facts/index.htm
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Iz on April 12, 2020, 12:26:23 PM
Why? If you could, you should!
Not to sound pedantic or judgemental, but smoking actually kills about 480,000 people in the US each year, including 41,000 from secondhand smoke.. Thatís far worse than most estimates for coronavirus, and thatís every year.

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fast_facts/index.htm (https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fast_facts/index.htm)
Did my post sound like "if you could smoke..."? I meant "if you could quit..."!
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: YitzyS on April 12, 2020, 08:01:20 PM

The average daily jump was about 45-80. Now, however, the numbers have been down in Lakewood for 4 days. Over Yom Tov, the numbers jumped 104 (in three days), indicating an average of about 35 daily. Over the last 24 hours, it's only been a jump of 25.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yelped on April 12, 2020, 09:48:03 PM
On my block in Lakewood, out of 18 families every single family stayed home. Nearly every single one would have went to family. Most are young and married less than 10 years, and most were still planning on going a week before Pesach.

Perhaps there was a small percentage of non-compliance, but BH it looked very good overall from my viewpoint, and far beyond expectations.
I'm glad to hear. The same where I live. BH in Lakewood there appears to be very high compliance, and I think that some on this forum deserve the credit for that and Rabbanim have made very strong public statements here that were widely publicized.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on April 12, 2020, 09:52:17 PM

The average daily jump was about 45-80. Now, however, the numbers have been down in Lakewood for 4 days. Over Yom Tov, the numbers jumped 104 (in three days), indicating an average of about 35 daily. Over the last 24 hours, it's only been a jump of 25.

What do ďnew casesĒ mean? Could it just mean fewer tests because of YomTov?

Hopefully itís sustainable and weíre past the worst. Refuah Shleima to all those who need one.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: KSMH on April 12, 2020, 10:04:21 PM
I have a friend who (he and his wife/child) didnít open the door to his apartment once except twice to get the delivered groceries at his door, after wiping down everything with disinfectant, for 3 full weeks. His father-in-lawís family did the same. Then, after approval from their doctor, he went for Yom Tov, for good reason.

Some people, even if they seem reckless, are actually being really careful.

+1
There are many such cases without many realizing this, people shall not forget Mental Helalth can lead to early death. Everyone shall consult thier doctor and rabbi.

I think it's time some people stop blanketing people as reckless or stupid if they do something that seems so to them.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: YitzyS on April 12, 2020, 10:27:20 PM
What do ďnew casesĒ mean? Could it just mean fewer tests because of YomTov?

Hopefully itís sustainable and weíre past the worst. Refuah Shleima to all those who need one.
I'm told that the number reflects test administered a few days prior.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yesitsme on April 13, 2020, 04:20:31 AM
https://www.yiddish24.com/interviews/12/17138

I'm not sure if he is sleep talking
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: YitzyS on April 13, 2020, 04:00:15 PM
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on April 13, 2020, 09:12:40 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/worst-is-over-cuomo-says-as-6-states-ally-to-reopen-economy-live-updates/ar-BB12yyxi
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yelped on April 13, 2020, 09:36:02 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/worst-is-over-cuomo-says-as-6-states-ally-to-reopen-economy-live-updates/ar-BB12yyxi
Thanks. Seems like they're being very reasonable and sensible about it.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on April 14, 2020, 11:06:10 AM
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/278658
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Ergel on April 14, 2020, 11:09:56 AM
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/278658
He's living in a fantasy world
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on April 14, 2020, 11:23:19 AM
It could be but I still feel with all the fear mongering by some frum websites any article from a credible source should be brought here - I would love to see more posts here as it gives people chizuk.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: hvaces42 on April 14, 2020, 02:02:06 PM
44 year old mother of 10, intubated for 12 days in Maimonides after coding and CPR. Got remdesvir and tolubimid (sp?) from outside the hospital. Had private pay nurse for 24 hours x 3 days yom tov. BH home and getting better each day!!! 10 children BH have their mother.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on April 14, 2020, 07:18:03 PM
https://www.thehour.com/news/article/CDC-FEMA-have-created-a-plan-to-reopen-America-15200830.php
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Ergel on April 15, 2020, 04:22:45 PM
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/278718
School on Sunday!?!?!?!
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Proisrael on April 15, 2020, 04:26:46 PM
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/278718
School on Sunday!?!?!?!

Let's wait for it to be official. It's only one person in the cabinet.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Proisrael on April 16, 2020, 08:50:59 AM
The end of this nightmare seems to be getting closer in Israel BH!!!

The Health Ministry has announced loosening of COVID-19 restrictions starting next week when 30% of employees will be allowed to return to work. Those who can continue to work from home will continue to do so. Anyone seventy years and older will still be required to stay at home as well as anyone over sixty-five with a pre-existing condition.

In another two weeks, at the beginning of May, 50% of employees will be permitted to return to work on regular shifts. Children from up to two families will be allowed to play together. Up to ten people will be allowed to pray together in an open space.

At the end of May stores will open but not yet malls. Hair cutting and beauty salons will also open with full protective measures taken and a limit of one customer at a time with no waiting allowed. Children will be allowed to gather in groups of up to five.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Ergel on April 16, 2020, 09:24:40 AM
I think your last paragraph should be mid-May, not end of May
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Proisrael on April 16, 2020, 01:31:57 PM
I think your last paragraph should be mid-May, not end of May

I was copying/pasting....
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Ergel on April 16, 2020, 01:41:06 PM
Quote from: https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/government-could-make-decisions-on-closure-scale-back-tonight/
The source says the final plan will be more liberal than the proposals set out by the Health Ministry.

Seems like it will be something between Bennet's 100% opening and what ProIsrael quoted above.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Ergel on April 16, 2020, 05:12:01 PM
Reopening stores, but keeping schools shuttered for another month :(
How does that even make any sense
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on April 16, 2020, 09:44:21 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/16/sp-500-etf-jumps-2percent-after-hours-on-report-gilead-drug-showing-effectiveness-treating-coronavirus.html

Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on April 16, 2020, 11:39:47 PM
https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/16/early-peek-at-data-on-gilead-coronavirus-drug-suggests-patients-are-responding-to-treatment/
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Proisrael on April 17, 2020, 01:36:30 AM
Reopening stores, but keeping schools shuttered for another month :(
How does that even make any sense

Similar to the original restrictions where work was open but schools were shut. Though it seems they will open K-3 sooner then a month.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on April 17, 2020, 08:28:27 AM
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/16/sp-500-etf-jumps-2percent-after-hours-on-report-gilead-drug-showing-effectiveness-treating-coronavirus.html

Interesting news, though itís still too early to be conclusive, also read elsewhere that Gilead manufactured 500k supply (idk if thatís doses or treatments), and isnít necessarily indicative either.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on April 17, 2020, 11:34:43 AM
Seems from antibody testing that there are so many more cases then are being reported.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.14.20062463v1
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on April 17, 2020, 11:36:00 AM
https://unherd.com/thepost/coming-up-epidemiologist-prof-johan-giesecke-shares-lessons-from-sweden/
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on April 17, 2020, 06:13:39 PM
https://hotair.com/archives/karen-townsend/2020/04/17/results-texas-nursing-home-using-hydroxychloroquine/
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on April 17, 2020, 07:07:49 PM
https://matzav.com/us-patient-receives-israeli-coronavirus-treatment-with-100-percent-survival-rate/
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Dan on April 17, 2020, 07:09:58 PM
Dr. Birx said testing can be done from the front of the nose, no need to pick for brain matter.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on April 18, 2020, 10:04:26 PM
https://news.yahoo.com/sunlight-destroys-coronavirus-very-quickly-new-government-tests-find-but-experts-say-pandemic-could-still-last-through-summer-200745675.html
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on April 18, 2020, 10:42:49 PM
Dr. Birx said testing can be done from the front of the nose, no need to pick for brain matter.

Too late for you
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Dan on April 18, 2020, 10:44:16 PM
Too late for you
That's assuming I don't get tested again in the future, though I'd like to get an antibody test first.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on April 18, 2020, 10:47:40 PM
That's assuming I don't get tested again in the future, though I'd like to get an antibody test first.

Hopefully you have no reason to get tested again.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: avromie7 on April 18, 2020, 11:12:35 PM
That's assuming I don't get tested again in the future, though I'd like to get an antibody test first.
Mt Sinai stopped doing another test before allowing plasma donations. Anyone who they did give it to will need to get a negative test before donating. (They're also using them as test rats to find out how long the virus is in the back of the nose)
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: simple26 on April 19, 2020, 01:37:34 AM
Mt Sinai stopped doing another test before allowing plasma donations. Anyone who they did give it to will need to get a negative test before donating. (They're also using them as test rats to find out how long the virus is in the back of the nose)
Whats the theory donít you need to be clear before donating?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: avromie7 on April 19, 2020, 09:55:05 AM
Whats the theory donít you need to be clear before donating?
Guidance from the CDC changed.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on April 19, 2020, 10:11:22 AM
https://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2020/04/today-lev-rochel-bikur-cholim-covid-plasma-initiative-plasma-drive-today.html#more-237796
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Yehuda57 on April 19, 2020, 02:45:24 PM

Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on April 19, 2020, 03:19:46 PM
Hopefully the test works.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: zagguru on April 19, 2020, 04:29:08 PM
Hopefully the test works.

Hopefully they have enough tests
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Ergel on April 19, 2020, 04:29:48 PM
Hopefully they have enough tests
Like my grandfather A'H used to say. The food was terrible and the portions were too small
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on April 19, 2020, 05:05:23 PM
Hopefully they have enough tests

If someone tests positive for antibodies will they count them in the total infection counts? What about in the new infection counts?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on April 19, 2020, 06:47:26 PM
literally hundreds of people got tested for antibodies in Lakewood today. I wish I can get a test even thogh I did not have real symptoms but was definitely exposed to people who did - might be my lucky day.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on April 19, 2020, 06:55:42 PM
literally hundreds of people got tested for antibodies in Lakewood today. I wish I can get a test even thogh I did not have real symptoms but was definitely exposed to people who did - might be my lucky day.
You can check, just keep in mind what Bikur Cholim said about checking: It is immoral to check for antibodies if you do not plan on donating blood if you have them, as many other people who check would be glad to donate and you would be taking their place.

Thatís not to suggest you wouldnít, Iím merely pointing this out.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on April 19, 2020, 06:59:16 PM
That is why I would not check there as it would be גניבת דעת if not worse - also I live in the midwest. I just wish the test was more available it would sure be helpfull to know if one is past it.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on April 19, 2020, 07:04:35 PM
https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2020/some-good-news-on-the-covid-19-front-we-fact-checked-10-positive-coronavirus-claims/
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on April 19, 2020, 07:08:45 PM
That is why I would not check there as it would be גניבת דעת if not worse - also I live in the midwest. I just wish the test was more available it would sure be helpfull to know if one is past it.
I think these tests will become widely available very soon
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on April 19, 2020, 07:26:40 PM
I think these tests will become widely available very soon

How much and how soon? I donít think there will be adequate antibody testing to test everyone who wants a test in NY (even if they had no contact/symptoms) anytime before May 15th at earliest. You disagree?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on April 19, 2020, 07:52:39 PM
Is it a simple blood test? They had results in the beginning in ten minutes but then they did so many there was a backlog.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: YitzyS on April 19, 2020, 09:52:19 PM
Chasdei Hashem! After 25+ days on a ventilator. https://www.facebook.com/jshlagbaum/videos/10105550466672580/?d=n (https://www.facebook.com/jshlagbaum/videos/10105550466672580/?d=n)
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=115711.0
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on April 19, 2020, 10:37:38 PM
https://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2020/04/video-photos-over-1000-take-part-in-bikur-cholim-plasma-donation-drive-in-lakewood.html
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: 4yourinfo on April 19, 2020, 11:18:08 PM
https://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2020/03/video-dr-rich-roberts-zinc-coronavirus-correlations.html#more-235272
Curious - recently started taking 30 mg of zinc and noticed hair regrowth and I think my nails growing faster and less acne - am I dreaming? Anyone else out there experiencing these "symptoms" did the virus itself cause hair regrowth? Did I have too much zinc or something else that the virus changed? I'm pretty sure I had the virus...
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Shmobaum on April 19, 2020, 11:21:33 PM
Curious - recently started taking 30 mg of zinc and noticed hair regrowth and I think my nails growing faster and less acne - am I dreaming? Anyone else out there experiencing these "symptoms" did the virus itself cause hair regrowth? Did I have too much zinc or something else that the virus changed? I'm pretty sure I had the virus...
Is your IQ up as well?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on April 19, 2020, 11:42:09 PM
Curious - recently started taking 30 mg of zinc and noticed hair regrowth and I think my nails growing faster and less acne - am I dreaming? Anyone else out there experiencing these "symptoms" did the virus itself cause hair regrowth? Did I have too much zinc or something else that the virus changed? I'm pretty sure I had the virus...
If you are not growing pennies that means you need more copper.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: 4yourinfo on April 19, 2020, 11:45:31 PM
Is your IQ up as well?
Virus does seem to cause hallucinations.. but my wife agrees with me My almost bald head has regrowth
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Yehudaa on April 19, 2020, 11:46:40 PM
Eli Beer breathing on his own again

And walking.

https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/1850368/good-news-united-hatzalah-ceo-eli-beer-takes-his-first-steps-video.html
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Shmobaum on April 19, 2020, 11:47:12 PM
Virus does seem to cause hallucinations.. but my wife agrees with me My almost bald head has regrowth
Gotcha. Weíd love to see before/after photographic evidence
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ah giten on April 20, 2020, 12:07:41 AM
Virus does seem to cause hallucinations.. but my wife agrees with me My almost bald head has regrowth
so now we know what they put into all hairloss supplements...
the only thing is, why don't the supplements work ;)
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: good sam on April 20, 2020, 01:22:45 AM
so now we know what they put into all hairloss supplements...
the only thing is, why don't the supplements work ;)
Only works when combined with the covid. You're welcome.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Yehudaa on April 20, 2020, 07:47:08 AM
Eli Beer breathing on his own again
And walking.

https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/1850368/good-news-united-hatzalah-ceo-eli-beer-takes-his-first-steps-video.html

And apparently flying back to Israel on the Adelsons' private plane tonight.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/278902
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on April 20, 2020, 09:13:49 PM
https://reason.com/2020/04/20/l-a-county-antibody-tests-suggest-the-fatality-rate-for-covid-19-is-much-lower-than-people-feared/
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Yehudaa on April 21, 2020, 04:49:28 PM
Good news for merchants:

"Beginning next week, search results on the Google Shopping tab will consist primarily of free listings, helping merchants better connect with consumers, regardless of whether they advertise on Google."

https://blog.google/products/shopping/its-now-free-to-sell-on-google/
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on April 21, 2020, 05:36:20 PM
Oh well there goes that idea

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/21/840341224/nih-panel-recommends-against-drug-combination-trump-has-promoted-for-covid-19
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yungermanchik on April 21, 2020, 07:34:57 PM
KolHaolam
NEW YORK: US naval ship Comfort, sent by Trump to help NY handle a shortage of hospital beds, headed back to Virginia. It was hardly needed in NY.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: simplicity on April 21, 2020, 07:48:45 PM
KolHaolam
NEW YORK: US naval ship Comfort, sent by Trump to help NY handle a shortage of hospital beds, headed back to Virginia. It was hardly needed in NY.
B'H!!!
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: zh cohen on April 22, 2020, 12:47:05 AM
Oh well there goes that idea

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/21/840341224/nih-panel-recommends-against-drug-combination-trump-has-promoted-for-covid-19

Anyone know where we can see the details of the studies they based the recommendations on?

From the beginning it was clear that those with heart conditions were more likely to have severe side affects from this treatment.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: chff on April 22, 2020, 12:57:34 AM
B'H!!!
What's the BH? It's didn't treat patients because lots of red tape

https://youtu.be/KcT0menNM8w

https://youtu.be/MykREVGjiHA
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Proisrael on April 22, 2020, 01:28:50 AM
What's the BH? It's didn't treat patients because lots of red tape

https://youtu.be/KcT0menNM8w

https://youtu.be/MykREVGjiHA

Are you saying hospitals are overflowing still? Because from the Gov down to local officials they all seem to be saying that is not true. So yes it is a BH
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: zh cohen on April 22, 2020, 01:29:31 AM
Anyone know where we can see the details of the studies they based the recommendations on?

From the beginning it was clear that those with heart conditions were more likely to have severe side affects from this treatment.

The topline numbers from the VA study being reported are misleading at best because
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hydroxychloroquine, with or without azithromycin, was more likely
to be prescribed to patients with more severe disease
which explains why a higher percentage of them died
They do write that
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Nevertheless,
the increased risk of overall mortality in the hydroxychloroquine-only group persisted after
adjusting for the propensity of being treated with the drug
but that part went over my head.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: chevron on April 22, 2020, 01:40:58 AM
This is a good article

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/20/opinion/coronavirus-testing-pneumonia.html

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There is a way we could identify more patients who have Covid pneumonia sooner and treat them more effectively ó and it would not require waiting for a coronavirus test at a hospital or doctorís office. It requires detecting silent hypoxia early through a common medical device that can be purchased without a prescription at most pharmacies: a pulse oximeter.

Pulse oximetry is no more complicated than using a thermometer. These small devices turn on with one button and are placed on a fingertip. In a few seconds, two numbers are displayed: oxygen saturation and pulse rate. Pulse oximeters are extremely reliable in detecting oxygenation problems and elevated heart rates.

Pulse oximeters helped save the lives of two emergency physicians I know, alerting them early on to the need for treatment. When they noticed their oxygen levels declining, both went to the hospital and recovered (though one waited longer and required more treatment). Detection of hypoxia, early treatment and close monitoring apparently also worked for Boris Johnson, the British prime minister.


This reminds me of an article I read about Germany keeping fatalities low. They monitor people diagnosed with covid19.

The main thing, as the article points out, for many people it's too late once they get to the hospital..

some of this has to do with conflicting messages that were sent out that basically they said to stay home unless things got bad.

The problem is once they got mad things were too late.

I have said from the beginning that the problem with this type of thing is that everything starts off so aggressively the doctors take time to figure it out and by then so many people have died.

It's one aspect people don't really understand about social distancing. Besides for overwhelming hospitals, many who get sick early are the test studies.

Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: chevron on April 22, 2020, 01:43:49 AM
Anyone know where we can see the details of the studies they based the recommendations on?

From the beginning it was clear that those with heart conditions were more likely to have severe side affects from this treatment.

https://khn.org/news/mysterious-heart-damage-not-just-lung-troubles-befalling-covid-19-patients/

Also the original study for the drug. While it was done by one of the world's top experts in infectious diseases.

It was a very flawed study of like 20 people..

Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: zh cohen on April 22, 2020, 02:10:15 AM
https://khn.org/news/mysterious-heart-damage-not-just-lung-troubles-befalling-covid-19-patients/


I'm looking for the evidence they reference that  hydroxychloroquine causes heart problems.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: chevron on April 22, 2020, 02:25:48 AM
I'm looking for the evidence they reference that  hydroxychloroquine causes heart problems.

You don't need it, you just need the fact that death's from covid19 are coming from heart failure .. and tie this in as something that could make it worse.

Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: avromie7 on April 22, 2020, 07:03:14 AM
I'm looking for the evidence they reference that  hydroxychloroquine causes heart problems.

Watch this video

https://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2020/03/video-hydroxychloroquine-for-coronavirus-critical-information-that-you-wont-get-elsewhere-dr-rich-roberts.html#more-234968

(For anyone unfamiliar, he is a Lakewood local who has been a pharmaceutical researcher and executive)
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yuneeq on April 22, 2020, 07:42:23 AM
This is a good article

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/20/opinion/coronavirus-testing-pneumonia.html

Great article actually

Quote
This reminds me of an article I read about Germany keeping fatalities low. They monitor people diagnosed with covid19.

Germanyís numbers were never low. They seemed low for a while because they tested a lot of people and found corona very early. The fatality rate was 0.5% a few weeks ago but now itís 7x higher once cases started to complete.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on April 22, 2020, 07:47:55 AM
Great article actually

Germanyís numbers were never low. They seemed low for a while because they tested a lot of people and found corona very early. The fatality rate was 0.5% a few weeks ago but now itís 7x higher once cases started to complete.

What youíre essentially saying though is that early detection does not necessarily mean lower CFR.

Once again, ironic to be discussing this in the ďGood newsĒ thread.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yuneeq on April 22, 2020, 08:18:02 AM
What youíre essentially saying though is that early detection does not necessarily mean lower CFR.

Yup, early detection is not a cure and is meaningless without an effective follow up plan that includes thorough tracking/isolation of cases + social distancing measures. That is the only formula that has been proven to work without shutting everything down or suffering too many fatalities.

The good news is we can stop a second wave by copying what worked during the first wave.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on April 22, 2020, 08:25:18 AM
The good news is we can stop a second wave by copying what worked during the first wave.

Three things here:

1. Copying what we did right
2. Copying what others did right where we erred
3. Trying to infer from the above and from updated scientific knowledge about what we know about the virus, contagion etc, what measures/tweaks we can introduce this time to improve on 1 and 2 above.

Considering the performance of our leadership/policymakers and their divergent priorities, thatís a big ask.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: simple26 on April 22, 2020, 11:27:56 AM
The topline numbers from the VA study being reported are misleading at best because  which explains why a higher percentage of them died
They do write that  but that part went over my head.
Zelenko was claiming this from the beginning that all studyís are being done on critical patient while he was prescribing it early on before complications started
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ilherman on April 22, 2020, 11:41:52 AM
And let's not forget that zelenko has always said it has to be given together with zink. This study left out the zink
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Iz on April 22, 2020, 01:06:41 PM
And let's not forget that zelenko has always said it has to be given together with zink. This study left out the zink
https://zink.com/ (https://zink.com/) :o
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Lurker on April 22, 2020, 01:17:51 PM
https://zink.com/ (https://zink.com/) :o

Great for a disrupted supply chain.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yelped on April 22, 2020, 01:37:16 PM
Considering the performance of our leadership/policymakers and their divergent priorities, thatís a big ask.
The real problem right here. And that there still are people out there who don't get it. And if we have to have them prepare and obey for a second wave......🤦‍♂️
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: chevron on April 22, 2020, 03:22:32 PM
And let's not forget that zelenko has always said it has to be given together with zink. This study left out the zink

Who is zelenko other than a doctor ? You make it sound like all the millions of doctors in the world don't know anything.

You do realize that sometimes one can wash the baby out with the bath water.

There are so many issues with covid19 besides lungs, heart, blood clots.

As a doctor told me last night "I know enough to know that no one really knows"

Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Luvisrael on April 22, 2020, 03:30:58 PM
https://zink.com/ (https://zink.com/) :o
lol
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: simple26 on April 22, 2020, 04:51:58 PM
Who is zelenko other than a doctor ? You make it sound like all the millions of doctors in the world don't know anything.

You do realize that sometimes one can wash the baby out with the bath water.

There are so many issues with covid19 besides lungs, heart, blood clots.

As a doctor told me last night "I know enough to know that no one really knows"
i donít think anybody was referring to millions of doctors just to specific studies
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ilherman on April 22, 2020, 04:56:50 PM
Who is zelenko other than a doctor ? You make it sound like all the millions of doctors in the world don't know anything.

You do realize that sometimes one can wash the baby out with the bath water.

There are so many issues with covid19 besides lungs, heart, blood clots.

As a doctor told me last night "I know enough to know that no one really knows"
it's not zelenko who came up with it. He just rallied to cut the red tape. I know in some city hospital here they are giving it together with zinc and zpack. Let's see what those studies say
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on April 22, 2020, 08:34:16 PM
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/oxford-university-coronavirus-vaccine-to-begin-human-trials-on-thursday-as-uk-throws-everything-at-vital-breakthrough-2020-04-21
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: chevron on April 22, 2020, 11:20:02 PM
Ny times So take it with a grain of salt

A vaccine expert says he was removed for questioning hydroxychloroquine.
The doctor who led the federal agency involved in developing a coronavirus vaccine said on Wednesday that he was removed from his post after he pressed for rigorous vetting of hydroxychloroquine, an anti-malaria drug embraced by President Trump as a coronavirus treatment, and that the administration has put ďpolitics and cronyism ahead of science.Ē

Dr. Rick Bright was abruptly dismissed this week as the director of the Department of Health and Human Servicesí Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority, or BARDA, and removed as the deputy assistant secretary for preparedness and response. He was given a narrower job at the National Institutes of Health.

In a scorching statement, Dr. Bright assailed the leadership at the health department, saying he was pressured to direct money toward hydroxychloroquine, one of several ďpotentially dangerous drugs promoted by those with political connectionsĒ and repeatedly described by the president as a potential ďgame changerĒ in the fight against the virus.

I believe this transfer was in response to my insistence that the government invest the billions of dollars allocated by Congress to address the Covid-19 pandemic into safe and scientifically vetted solutions, and not in drugs, vaccines and other technologies that lack scientific merit,Ē he said in his statement. ďI am speaking out because to combat this deadly virus, science ó not politics or cronyism ó has to lead the way.Ē

Doubts about the use of hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for the coronavirus and the lack of evidence about the drugís effectiveness ó including some small studies that indicated patients could be harmed ó appear to have dampened Mr. Trumpís enthusiasm for it.

But as the seriousness of the pandemic became clear in mid-March, the president seized on anecdotal reports about victims of the coronavirus who recovered quickly after using the drug. Desperate for good news as he watched the death toll climb and the stock market plummet, Mr. Trump could hardly contain his excitement.

In a post on Twitter on March 21, the president urged federal officials to quickly approve the use of hydroxychloroquine with an antibiotic called azithromycin ó a combination that he believed could work on the coronavirus

By then, Mr. Trumpís favorite Fox News hosts were echoing his optimism that hydroxychloroquine could be a magic bullet against the virus. A day after meeting in the Oval Office with Laura Ingraham and two doctors promoting the drug as a cure-all, Mr. Trump promoted it from the White House briefing room.

ďIíll say it again: What do you have to lose?Ē Mr. Trump said on April 4, carefully pronouncing the drug, hydroxychloroquine. His presidential prescription: ďTake it.Ē

Trials, however, suggested the drug might not be as effective as the president hoped. In mid-April, a small trial in Brazil was halted after some patients developed irregular heart rates. Then a study this week of 368 Veterans Affairs patients, which has not been peer-reviewed, found that it did not help patients avoid the need for ventilators, and that the use of the drug alone was associated with an increased risk of death. And this week, a panel of the governmentís own experts at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases said there was ďinsufficient dataĒ to recommend taking it to treat symptoms from the virus.

The president no longer talks much about hydroxychloroquine.

Asked at his daily briefing if Dr. Bright had been forced out because he challenged the presidentís support for an unproven drug, Mr. Trump said, ďMaybe he was and maybe he wasnít; I donít know who he is.Ē
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on April 22, 2020, 11:32:18 PM
Ny times So take it with a grain of salt

A vaccine expert says he was removed for questioning hydroxychloroquine.
The doctor who led the federal agency involved in developing a coronavirus vaccine said on Wednesday that he was removed from his post after he pressed for rigorous vetting of hydroxychloroquine, an anti-malaria drug embraced by President Trump as a coronavirus treatment, and that the administration has put ďpolitics and cronyism ahead of science.Ē

Dr. Rick Bright was abruptly dismissed this week as the director of the Department of Health and Human Servicesí Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority, or BARDA, and removed as the deputy assistant secretary for preparedness and response. He was given a narrower job at the National Institutes of Health.

In a scorching statement, Dr. Bright assailed the leadership at the health department, saying he was pressured to direct money toward hydroxychloroquine, one of several ďpotentially dangerous drugs promoted by those with political connectionsĒ and repeatedly described by the president as a potential ďgame changerĒ in the fight against the virus.

I believe this transfer was in response to my insistence that the government invest the billions of dollars allocated by Congress to address the Covid-19 pandemic into safe and scientifically vetted solutions, and not in drugs, vaccines and other technologies that lack scientific merit,Ē he said in his statement. ďI am speaking out because to combat this deadly virus, science ó not politics or cronyism ó has to lead the way.Ē

Doubts about the use of hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for the coronavirus and the lack of evidence about the drugís effectiveness ó including some small studies that indicated patients could be harmed ó appear to have dampened Mr. Trumpís enthusiasm for it.

But as the seriousness of the pandemic became clear in mid-March, the president seized on anecdotal reports about victims of the coronavirus who recovered quickly after using the drug. Desperate for good news as he watched the death toll climb and the stock market plummet, Mr. Trump could hardly contain his excitement.

In a post on Twitter on March 21, the president urged federal officials to quickly approve the use of hydroxychloroquine with an antibiotic called azithromycin ó a combination that he believed could work on the coronavirus

By then, Mr. Trumpís favorite Fox News hosts were echoing his optimism that hydroxychloroquine could be a magic bullet against the virus. A day after meeting in the Oval Office with Laura Ingraham and two doctors promoting the drug as a cure-all, Mr. Trump promoted it from the White House briefing room.

ďIíll say it again: What do you have to lose?Ē Mr. Trump said on April 4, carefully pronouncing the drug, hydroxychloroquine. His presidential prescription: ďTake it.Ē

Trials, however, suggested the drug might not be as effective as the president hoped. In mid-April, a small trial in Brazil was halted after some patients developed irregular heart rates. Then a study this week of 368 Veterans Affairs patients, which has not been peer-reviewed, found that it did not help patients avoid the need for ventilators, and that the use of the drug alone was associated with an increased risk of death. And this week, a panel of the governmentís own experts at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases said there was ďinsufficient dataĒ to recommend taking it to treat symptoms from the virus.

The president no longer talks much about hydroxychloroquine.

Asked at his daily briefing if Dr. Bright had been forced out because he challenged the presidentís support for an unproven drug, Mr. Trump said, ďMaybe he was and maybe he wasnít; I donít know who he is.Ē
Absolutely no reporting done in this article. He said that.......
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: zh cohen on April 22, 2020, 11:57:44 PM
Absolutely no reporting done in this article. He said that.......
Indeed. The Politico article got both sides of the story, but I guess the NY Times had to give him something in exchange for the "scoop"

And here goes....

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/22/hhs-ousts-vaccine-expert-as-covid-19-threat-grows-201642
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: YitzyS on April 23, 2020, 03:04:09 PM
חסדי ה' after 12+ days on ventilator my wife has!! been extubated
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Lurker on April 23, 2020, 03:27:49 PM


BH!!
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on April 23, 2020, 03:36:15 PM

Now that is real good news!!!
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on April 23, 2020, 06:43:24 PM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/lilly-to-start-testing-experimental-drug-in-coronavirus-patients-soon-11587660027
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on April 23, 2020, 06:49:20 PM
https://news.trust.org/item/20200423162137-vgafb
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on April 24, 2020, 07:08:25 AM
A good read from Bill Gates
https://www.gatesnotes.com/Health/Pandemic-Innovation
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on April 24, 2020, 09:04:04 AM
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/22/no-lockdown-in-sweden-but-stockholm-could-see-herd-immunity-in-weeks.html
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on April 25, 2020, 09:58:59 PM
https://www.cleveland.com/news/2020/04/university-hospitals-to-test-whether-drug-arms-1-can-prevent-coronavirus-airborne-transmission.html
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Proisrael on April 26, 2020, 01:59:17 AM
https://boropark24.com/news/boro-park-chapel-goes-from-50-levayas-a-day-to-regular-schedule
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Proisrael on April 26, 2020, 02:00:32 AM
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/government-promises-extra-nis-8b-for-small-businesses-self-employed-625780

I have no idea why Litzman has been so vilified here. The country has performed absolutely amazing BH and he needs to resign?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on April 26, 2020, 02:00:35 AM
https://boropark24.com/news/boro-park-chapel-goes-from-50-levayas-a-day-to-regular-schedule
BH!!!

Weird question: Shouldnít they be at lower than normal capacity, if most of those who died were going to die soon anyway? Or is the ďregular scheduleĒ still Covid patients?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on April 26, 2020, 02:02:23 AM
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/government-promises-extra-nis-8b-for-small-businesses-self-employed-625780

I have no idea why Litzman has been so vilified here. The country has performed absolutely amazing BH and he needs to resign?
A) I still think thatís more reflective of Netanyahu and the efficiency of Israeli ďtotalitarianismĒ than anything else

B) Isnít this about Gantz needing positions for his men?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Proisrael on April 26, 2020, 02:08:36 AM
A) I still think thatís more reflective of Netanyahu and the efficiency of Israeli ďtotalitarianismĒ than anything else

B) Isnít this about Gantz needing positions for his men?

Not about Gantz as the agreement initially was that Litzman stays. He only agreed to leave Friday right before Shabbos. In the beginning Litzman was the one pushing for tougher measures and Netanyahu was pushing back.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on April 26, 2020, 04:25:37 PM
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/494696-mnuchin-youre-going-to-see-the-economy-really-bounce-back-in-july-august
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on April 26, 2020, 04:27:20 PM
Also Litzman is resigning at the behest of the Gerrer Rebbe - not sure if it because of the אחריות of being health minister now - or that he will be able to accomplish more in a different position as now most decision are being made over his head do to the Corona matzav.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on April 26, 2020, 04:29:26 PM
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/494696-mnuchin-youre-going-to-see-the-economy-really-bounce-back-in-july-august
Remember he is a cheerleader for the economy as he should be.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on April 26, 2020, 09:25:28 PM
Is this the right thread? DDF had more page views this March than any other month since July 2017
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on April 26, 2020, 09:29:41 PM
Is this the right thread? DDF had more page views this March than any other month since July 2017
Yes and still waiting for my DDF check.  :)
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: etech0 on April 26, 2020, 09:30:09 PM
Yes and still waiting for my DDF check.  :)
Here at DD we do direct deposit
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Shmobaum on April 26, 2020, 09:30:17 PM
Italy is up to phase 2 of reopening
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ah giten on April 26, 2020, 09:38:42 PM
Here at DD we do direct deposit
Nah. CC only.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on April 26, 2020, 09:40:37 PM
Here at DD we do direct deposit
Nah. CC only.
I have them all and still nada!  >:(
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: RewardsAddict on April 26, 2020, 10:28:10 PM
Italy is up to phase 2 of reopening
Thats good news! How many phases are they anticipating?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Shmobaum on April 26, 2020, 10:56:45 PM
Many Beaches are reopened in California
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/california-morons-big-beach-crowds-test-states-stay-at-home-exhortations/ar-BB13ehPj
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: 12HRS on April 26, 2020, 11:20:13 PM
Many Beaches are reopened in California
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/california-morons-big-beach-crowds-test-states-stay-at-home-exhortations/ar-BB13ehPj

wrong thread?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Shmobaum on April 26, 2020, 11:45:37 PM
wrong thread?
Did you read the article? Pretty positive
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on April 26, 2020, 11:45:43 PM
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Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Lurker on April 27, 2020, 01:33:54 AM
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If there's a case to be made for herd immunity, Italy will be the test dummy.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Proisrael on April 27, 2020, 06:59:28 AM
Israel has had a decline of 6+% of people on ventilators BH!!!

10,878 tested positive

174 severe cases  (-3.3% in past 24 hours)

123 on ventilators (-6.8% in past 24 hours)

15,443 tested positive (up only 40% in 15 days)

Israelis currently on ventilators is now down to 96 BH (down 22% in the 15 days)!! Absolutely amazing numbers!!

133 Severe cases (down 24%)
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: iAm on April 27, 2020, 08:21:46 AM
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on April 27, 2020, 11:22:50 AM

Why would this be any different in Germany than in NYC. Also, ďsomeĒ and ďlimitedĒ are very vague terms, why not publish the numbers in the headline and let the reader decide how significant it is?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on April 27, 2020, 11:50:16 AM
Why would this be any different in Germany than in NYC. Also, ďsomeĒ and ďlimitedĒ are very vague terms, why not publish the numbers in the headline and let the reader decide how significant it is?
Because once he does that suddenly the entire Twitter and ddf will be experts on both statistics and virology.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on April 27, 2020, 12:10:47 PM
Because once he does that suddenly the entire Twitter and ddf will be experts on both statistics and virology.

I think itís the other way around, the numbers are probably really low and itís fake news to consider them significant in the scheme of things. Itís just one more variable in an endless list.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on April 27, 2020, 12:12:09 PM
I think itís the other way around, the numbers are probably really low and itís fake news to consider them significant in the scheme of things. Itís just one more variable in an endless list.
How is that the other way around from what I wrote?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on April 27, 2020, 12:13:54 PM
How is that the other way around from what I wrote?

I thought you were implying that the numbers in German-language article would give hope to all the armchair epidemiologists.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on April 27, 2020, 12:16:34 PM
I thought you were implying that the numbers in German-language article would give hope to all the armchair epidemiologists.
I did. It would give hope to them all no matter how miniscule the numbers are. Let's reopen all shuls since 1 in 100000000000000000 have some level of immunity from previous viruses.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Zevwolf on April 27, 2020, 11:59:43 PM
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/featured/1853404/good-news-williamsburg-resident-returns-home-after-on-vent-for-4-weeks.html
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Iz on April 28, 2020, 03:20:34 PM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/pfizer-coronavirus-vaccine-could-be-ready-for-emergency-use-by-fall-11588094064
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ari3 on April 28, 2020, 09:51:08 PM
https://matzav.com/rabbi-aryeh-zev-ginzberg-returns-homes-from-the-hospital/
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Toasted on April 28, 2020, 09:54:07 PM
https://matzav.com/rabbi-aryeh-zev-ginzberg-returns-homes-from-the-hospital/
What is he reading there?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ari3 on April 28, 2020, 11:36:15 PM
What is he reading there?
Looks to be a rambam
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Euclid on April 29, 2020, 10:48:36 AM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-29/gilead-remdesivir-trial-for-covid-19-has-met-primary-endpoint
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on April 29, 2020, 11:36:12 AM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-29/gilead-remdesivir-trial-for-covid-19-has-met-primary-endpoint

Faster recoveries are nice, but can it bring people back from the brink RĒL?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Euclid on April 29, 2020, 11:51:19 AM
Faster recoveries are nice, but can it bring people back from the brink RĒL?
Antiviral drugs generally work better when given earlier in the infection, so this coupled with better testing could lead to better outcomes i.e. ensure that people don't get to the brink.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: avromie7 on April 29, 2020, 11:52:53 AM
Faster recoveries are nice, but can it bring people back from the brink RĒL?
Even if not, it can stop people from getting to the brink as well as ease the burden on the healthcare system.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on April 29, 2020, 12:48:46 PM
Even if not, it can stop people from getting to the brink as well as ease the burden on the healthcare system.

I asked if it can stop people from getting to the brink.

Your answer, even if it canít, it can stop people from getting to the brink.

That makes no sense.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: avromie7 on April 29, 2020, 12:57:04 PM
I asked if it can stop people from getting to the brink.

Your answer, even if it canít, it can stop people from getting to the brink.

That makes no sense.
Maybe you misspoke, but you asked "can it bring people back from the brink"
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Euclid on April 29, 2020, 08:38:49 PM
http://m.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20200429000724
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on April 29, 2020, 09:53:27 PM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-29/trump-s-operation-warp-speed-aims-to-rush-coronavirus-vaccine?sref=6SIErc4i
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on April 29, 2020, 11:35:56 PM
Maybe you misspoke, but you asked "can it bring people back from the brink"

Youíre correct, I didnít misspeak what I said) I misread
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: simple26 on April 30, 2020, 12:08:26 AM
http://m.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20200429000724
This is a huge step in the right direction. Letís hope turns out correct and clear the confusion a bit
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Proisrael on April 30, 2020, 02:00:39 AM
Korea has been fully open for almost 2 weeks and they reported ZERO cases over the past 24 hours. Now I am sure there are a bunch of hysterics on this forum that will claim that like China South Korea is also lying. And Israel is also lying. But for those who are not so locked into our views, there is hope BH!!
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on April 30, 2020, 06:39:11 AM
Korea has been fully open for almost 2 weeks and they reported ZERO cases over the past 24 hours. Now I am sure there are a bunch of hysterics on this forum that will claim that like China South Korea is also lying. And Israel is also lying. But for those who are not so locked into our views, there is hope BH!!
I don't see anyone saying SK has been lying. We all know China has lied through their teeth. Not fair to link the two together.

Now here is some good news. Not the leaks but the prelim results.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fauci-says-leak-concerns-fueled-his-white-house-revelation-of-gilead-drug-results/ar-BB13p19Q?ocid=spartanntp
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Proisrael on April 30, 2020, 06:45:28 AM
I don't see anyone saying SK has been lying. We all know China has lied through their teeth. Not fair to link the two together.


This forum seem to doubt anytime there is good news, I am glad we are leaving SK and others out of the doubt.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on April 30, 2020, 06:49:02 AM
This forum seem to doubt anytime there is good news, I am glad we are leaving SK and others out of the doubt.
I would say most are on the cautious side. We all want and welcome good news. Yes I will doubt drugs/treatments that have no factual basis.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on April 30, 2020, 09:23:32 AM
This forum seem to doubt anytime there is good news, I am glad we are leaving SK and others out of the doubt.
Itís great when good news comes out. Itís terrible when misinformed people latch onto small studies that they donít understand to excuse reckless and dangerous behavior.

If you canít understand why we doubt Chinese data you have other issues.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Lurker on April 30, 2020, 09:46:07 AM
This forum seem to doubt anytime there is good news, I am glad we are leaving SK and others out of the doubt.

Do you have some examples of good news that was unjustifiably doubted?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Dan on April 30, 2020, 09:51:59 AM
That's great news, but SK uses extreme contact tracing and digital tracking.

Not sure if the west will stomach that.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on April 30, 2020, 09:52:59 AM
How much of a trade-off are we willing to accept?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on April 30, 2020, 09:55:43 AM
That's great news, but SK uses extreme contact tracing and digital tracking.

Not sure if the west will stomach that.

Is Israel the happy medium?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on April 30, 2020, 09:56:39 AM
Is Israel the happy medium?
Do they do contact tracing?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Ergel on April 30, 2020, 09:58:27 AM
Do they do contact tracing?
They were tracking cellphones, but they stopped
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Lurker on April 30, 2020, 10:27:22 AM
Is Israel the happy medium?

They used military/police to quarantine certain neighborhoods, including the use of force. They tracked confirmed positives by the GPS on their phones. They mandated quarantine in special hotel for certain confirmed positives. They shut the country to all foreigners, including tourists, students, and many people temporarily living there.

Trump made a comment about stopping immigration until this settles and half the country collectively lost their minds. If shutting the country to foreigners was the least controversial thing Israel did, there's no way to implement a fraction of Israel's measures in the US.

Israel is also the size on NJ... It kinda changes the game in terms of  containment.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on April 30, 2020, 10:42:00 AM
Do they do contact tracing?
Yes. In the beginning it was hampered by a shortage of testing, but now that they have sufficient testing capacity they have all but eradicated the virus using effective fast tracing and there is very little lockdown left.
They were tracking cellphones, but they stopped
It's only one of the techniques, and it's still being used. The first step is to try, which the the US never did.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Euclid on April 30, 2020, 11:52:57 AM
They used military/police to quarantine certain neighborhoods, including the use of force. They tracked confirmed positives by the GPS on their phones. They mandated quarantine in special hotel for certain confirmed positives. They shut the country to all foreigners, including tourists, students, and many people temporarily living there.

Trump made a comment about stopping immigration until this settles and half the country collectively lost their minds. If shutting the country to foreigners was the least controversial thing Israel did, there's no way to implement a fraction of Israel's measures in the US.

Israel is also the size on NJ... It kinda changes the game in terms of  containment.
I wish would NJ would be like Israel which has closed borders.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Lurker on April 30, 2020, 12:03:32 PM
I wish would NJ would be like Israel which has closed borders.

It's a nice thought. Shame it's virtually impossible to close any state's borders.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on April 30, 2020, 12:56:12 PM
Yes. In the beginning it was hampered by a shortage of testing, but now that they have sufficient testing capacity they have all but eradicated the virus using effective fast tracing and there is very little lockdown left. It's only one of the techniques, and it's still being used. The first step is to try, which the the US never did.
Tracing needs to be done in the US now. Unfortunately we can't even get testing right so far.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on April 30, 2020, 01:35:56 PM
Tracing needs to be done in the US now. Unfortunately we can't even get testing right so far.
And tracing may be unconstitutional.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on April 30, 2020, 01:36:45 PM
And tracing may be unconstitutional.
Try it and will find out. To not try is a serious blunder.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Lurker on April 30, 2020, 01:38:31 PM
Time to buy stock in burner phone companies...
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on April 30, 2020, 01:48:40 PM
They used military/police to quarantine certain neighborhoods, including the use of force. They tracked confirmed positives by the GPS on their phones. They mandated quarantine in special hotel for certain confirmed positives. They shut the country to all foreigners, including tourists, students, and many people temporarily living there.

Trump made a comment about stopping immigration until this settles and half the country collectively lost their minds. If shutting the country to foreigners was the least controversial thing Israel did, there's no way to implement a fraction of Israel's measures in the US.

Israel is also the size on NJ... It kinda changes the game in terms of  containment.
It also helps that they have one airport, and no ground borders with too many people traveling regularly
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Euclid on April 30, 2020, 08:16:50 PM
https://theconversation.com/we-found-and-tested-47-old-drugs-that-might-treat-the-coronavirus-results-show-promising-leads-and-a-whole-new-way-to-fight-covid-19-136789

(Research data here: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2286-9)
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Shmobaum on May 01, 2020, 02:29:17 AM
And tracing may be unconstitutional.
Donít you think the constitution should have a shaas hadchak addendum??? For pandemics and gun violence...?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Proisrael on May 01, 2020, 02:42:46 AM
Donít you think the constitution should have a shaas hadchak addendum??? For pandemics and gun violence...?

How about throwing a certain sect into jail because some of them dont follow the rules. Would you like that addendum also?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on May 01, 2020, 10:17:45 AM
Donít you think the constitution should have a shaas hadchak addendum??? For pandemics and gun violence...?
That may work until someone decides that them staying in power is a shaas hadchak. We have seen tons of executive overreach already and I am sure more will come out. I also don't like the idea that the govt would do something unconstitutional because they will be finished by the time the courts stop it.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: avromie7 on May 01, 2020, 11:42:51 AM
I also don't like the idea that the govt would do something unconstitutional because they will be finished by the time the courts stop it.
Something like this should be able to be stopped very quickly with an emergency stay.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on May 01, 2020, 11:46:19 AM
Something like this should be able to be stopped very quickly with an emergency stay.
Or at least it should.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Lurker on May 01, 2020, 11:50:03 AM
Something like this should be able to be stopped very quickly with an emergency stay.

In theory
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: KSMH on May 01, 2020, 11:55:42 AM
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-scientists-conclude-people-cannot-be-infected-twice-11981721

Is it party time?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: simple26 on May 01, 2020, 12:25:44 PM
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-scientists-conclude-people-cannot-be-infected-twice-11981721

Is it party time?
This seems to be the same study  from Korea not that Britain has confirmed it  or done its own study
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on May 03, 2020, 03:11:53 PM
https://matzav.com/fda-approves-coronavirus-antibody-test-that-boasts-near-perfect-accuracy/
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on May 03, 2020, 07:50:08 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/03/trump-says-he-believes-there-will-be-a-coronavirus-vaccine-by-the-end-of-the-year.html
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on May 03, 2020, 09:11:45 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/03/trump-says-he-believes-there-will-be-a-coronavirus-vaccine-by-the-end-of-the-year.html
Please not that garbage in this thread.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Afrages6 on May 03, 2020, 09:16:00 PM
Please not that garbage in this thread.
Scott Gottlieb who used to be the head of the FDA said something similar on TV today. 
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on May 03, 2020, 09:17:21 PM
Scott Gottlieb who used to be the head of the FDA said something similar on TV today.
How about Dr Fauci?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on May 03, 2020, 09:18:22 PM
Please not that garbage in this thread.

One thing I think we can agree upon, is that this is the greatest global effort ever to come up with a vaccine, and assuming it's possible, the vaccine is likely to be the quickest one to market ever. The question is when, and 4Q20/1Q21 sounds likely considering a lot of corner will likely be cut in at least some cases.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on May 03, 2020, 09:20:24 PM
https://matzav.com/fda-approves-coronavirus-antibody-test-that-boasts-near-perfect-accuracy/

Matzav links to their source, the NY Post:

https://nypost.com/2020/05/03/fda-approves-coronavirus-antibody-test-that-boasts-near-perfect-accuracy/?utm_source=maropost&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news_alert&utm_content=20200503&tpcc=nypbreaking&mpweb=755-8835365-720568875
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on May 03, 2020, 09:25:17 PM
One thing I think we can agree upon, is that this is the greatest global effort ever to come up with a vaccine, and assuming it's possible, the vaccine is likely to be the quickest one to market ever. The question is when, and 4Q20/1Q21 sounds likely considering a lot of corner will likely be cut in at least some cases.
Yes and someone we have faith in saying it is when it will be good news.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Afrages6 on May 03, 2020, 09:25:45 PM
How about Dr Fauci?
Fauci created the virus :)
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on May 03, 2020, 09:26:20 PM
Fauci created the virus :)
So you are watching FOX?  :P
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Afrages6 on May 03, 2020, 09:27:04 PM
So you are watching FOX?  :P
Are they having a victory party?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on May 03, 2020, 09:27:52 PM
Are they having a victory party?
It is non-stop Flynn spin.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Afrages6 on May 03, 2020, 09:29:48 PM
It is non-stop Flynn spin.
Jared spiking the ball last week was enough for me. Itís incredible that they donít have one person in there that has any communication skills
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on May 03, 2020, 10:51:25 PM
Matzav links to their source, the NY Post:

https://nypost.com/2020/05/03/fda-approves-coronavirus-antibody-test-that-boasts-near-perfect-accuracy/?utm_source=maropost&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news_alert&utm_content=20200503&tpcc=nypbreaking&mpweb=755-8835365-720568875

Abbott labs test that many took at Quest claims to be as accurate.....
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Proisrael on May 04, 2020, 04:45:42 AM
Only 56 new cases in Israel over the past 24 hours.

69 moderate (+2 cases)

94 Severe (-13 cases)

9749 No longer showing symptoms (+1,337)

This is after the start of relaxing rules for 2 weeks
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on May 04, 2020, 09:49:06 AM
Only 56 new cases in Israel over the past 24 hours.

69 moderate (+2 cases)

94 Severe (-13 cases)

9749 No longer showing symptoms (+1,337)

This is after the start of relaxing rules for 2 weeks
BH! Israel is once again defying the odds for survival! :)
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Yehudaa on May 04, 2020, 09:56:44 AM
Israel figuring out how to test sewage to pinpoint neighborhoods/cities with COVID-19 cases. Excuse the headline.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/down-the-tubes-how-israels-poop-may-prevent-second-coronavirus-wave/
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on May 04, 2020, 10:21:27 AM
This thread is slowing down: https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=115106.msg2242696#new
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on May 04, 2020, 10:41:21 AM
This thread is slowing down: https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=115106.msg2242696#new
Thank G-d. So letís ease all restrictions and live normal lives, clearly all of the danger is over!

/s
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: avromie7 on May 04, 2020, 12:33:58 PM
Israel figuring out how to test sewage to pinpoint neighborhoods/cities with COVID-19 cases. Excuse the headline.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/down-the-tubes-how-israels-poop-may-prevent-second-coronavirus-wave/
Brilliant
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on May 04, 2020, 12:40:40 PM
Brilliant

Iíve read this elsewhere before...
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Euclid on May 04, 2020, 12:54:07 PM
Iíve read this elsewhere before...
https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-spread-building-pipes.html
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Yehuda57 on May 04, 2020, 05:21:53 PM
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on May 04, 2020, 05:48:17 PM
Do we you have a link to the statement?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on May 04, 2020, 05:56:57 PM
Do we you have a link to the statement?
https://www.jpost.com/health-science/iibr-completes-development-phase-of-covid-19-vaccine-626913
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yelped on May 04, 2020, 06:14:07 PM
https://www.jpost.com/health-science/iibr-completes-development-phase-of-covid-19-vaccine-626913
The Defense Ministry? What about the Health Ministry?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on May 04, 2020, 06:15:18 PM
https://www.jpost.com/health-science/iibr-completes-development-phase-of-covid-19-vaccine-626913
Thanks but trying to find the joint statement.
Can't find it on their site: https://iibr.gov.il/Pages/news.aspx
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on May 04, 2020, 09:00:04 PM
Thanks but trying to find the joint statement.
Can't find it on their site: https://iibr.gov.il/Pages/news.aspx
https://mobile.twitter.com/AmichaiStein1/status/1257411530716590080/photo/1
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on May 04, 2020, 09:08:54 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/AmichaiStein1/status/1257411530716590080/photo/1
We are getting somewhere. No English version?  :)
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: avromie7 on May 04, 2020, 10:53:42 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/AmichaiStein1/status/1257411530716590080/photo/1
that statement is a screenshot from whatsapp
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on May 04, 2020, 11:01:16 PM
that statement is a screenshot from whatsapp
Lol. So Ami is a step below WhatsApp.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: gotthepoint on May 04, 2020, 11:43:27 PM
is it true that blood type O can not get the virus?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yeshivabucher on May 04, 2020, 11:49:07 PM
Yeah..... No I'm type o and tested positive for antibodies
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: YitzyS on May 04, 2020, 11:49:21 PM
is it true that blood type O can not get the virus?
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=115267.0
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: KSMH on May 04, 2020, 11:49:32 PM
https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/05/04/under-this-doctors-care-most-covid-19-patients-are-recovering/
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: mme on May 04, 2020, 11:50:08 PM
Yeah..... No I'm type o and tested positive for antibodies
+1
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yelped on May 04, 2020, 11:53:47 PM
https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/05/04/under-this-doctors-care-most-covid-19-patients-are-recovering/
Sounded interesting, but then I got wary when I got to the end. Is this more political garbage or is there something to it?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: KSMH on May 04, 2020, 11:55:55 PM
Sounded interesting, but then I got wary when I got to the end. Is this more political garbage or is there something to it?
Donna, site looks right wing, Dr info looks real.

Most of the  reporting these days is based on political views, but u never know.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Proisrael on May 05, 2020, 03:33:41 AM
Only 56 new cases in Israel over the past 24 hours.

69 moderate (+2 cases)

94 Severe (-13 cases)

9749 No longer showing symptoms (+1,337)

This is after the start of relaxing rules for 2 weeks
24 hour update

38 new cases

60 Moderate (-7 cases)

90 Severe (-4 cases)

10,064 better (+315 cases)
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on May 05, 2020, 07:05:40 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/AmichaiStein1/status/1257411530716590080/photo/1


Theyíre going to wait for patents (while people are RĒL dying) before bringing this to market? What about clinical trials, or whatever the current FDA allowance is for compassionate/emergency use?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on May 05, 2020, 10:22:09 AM
Sounded interesting, but then I got wary when I got to the end. Is this more political garbage or is there something to it?
Donna, site looks right wing, Dr info looks real.

Most of the  reporting these days is based on political views, but u never know.

Site is from the most right wing out there, but mostly not conspiracy theorist. It is The Heritage Foundation's site.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on May 05, 2020, 10:47:35 AM
Theyíre going to wait for patents (while people are RĒL dying) before bringing this to market? What about clinical trials, or whatever the current FDA allowance is for compassionate/emergency use?
Both Bennet and the institution aren't reliable. It's likely just some minor progress in identifying the antibody.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on May 05, 2020, 11:08:52 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/AmichaiStein1/status/1257411530716590080/photo/1

Ah, so this is just another vaccine going through the motions, nothing new to see here, the hyperbole is fake news.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on May 05, 2020, 11:12:49 AM
Ah, so this is just another vaccine going through the motions, nothing new to see here, the hyperbole is fake news.
From what I understand, they are saying that the mechanics of it make it able to work on someone already infected
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on May 05, 2020, 11:32:50 AM
From what I understand, they are saying that the mechanics of it make it able to work on someone already infected

JPost isnít reporting it as such:

https://www.jpost.com/health-science/iibr-completes-development-phase-of-covid-19-vaccine-626913
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on May 05, 2020, 11:44:48 AM
JPost isnít reporting it as such:


That is how I understood this:

Defense Minister Naftali Bennett visited the Ness Ziona-based lab on Monday and was briefed by the research team, who he said revealed a breakthrough antibody that attacks the virus and neutralizes it in the body.
IIBR is now working to patent its antibody and secure a contract for its commercial development. All legal procedures will be coordinated with the Defense Ministry.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on May 05, 2020, 11:47:19 AM
That is how I understood this:

Defense Minister Naftali Bennett visited the Ness Ziona-based lab on Monday and was briefed by the research team, who he said revealed a breakthrough antibody that attacks the virus and neutralizes it in the body.
IIBR is now working to patent its antibody and secure a contract for its commercial development. All legal procedures will be coordinated with the Defense Ministry.
So was there a joint statement put out or not?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on May 05, 2020, 11:48:57 AM
So was there a joint statement put out or not?
.dunno
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: zagguru on May 05, 2020, 02:34:49 PM
That is how I understood this:

Defense Minister Naftali Bennett visited the Ness Ziona-based lab on Monday and was briefed by the research team, who he said revealed a breakthrough antibody that attacks the virus and neutralizes it in the body.
IIBR is now working to patent its antibody and secure a contract for its commercial development. All legal procedures will be coordinated with the Defense Ministry.

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It should be noted that experts estimate the testing period for the antibody could be at least one year. They also stressed that at this stage the antibody has only been researched in a lab and that many hurdles must be crossed before it is turned into a medicine.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Yehudaa on May 05, 2020, 03:09:45 PM
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-lab-confirms-breakthrough-with-virus-antibody-but-says-months-till-cure/
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on May 05, 2020, 03:12:12 PM
JPost isnít reporting it as such:
Channel 12 initially reported it as a vaccine and then modified the article to state cure, but the whole thing is hyperbole bc the institution needs the funding
So was there a joint statement put out or not?
It was a statement to the media that was not published. From a dumb hyperactive politician.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yelped on May 05, 2020, 03:45:06 PM
That certain people and personalities revealed their stripes.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on May 06, 2020, 08:22:18 PM
Nate Silver Retweeted
Ed Yong
@edyong209
 
I wrote about the issue of coronavirus “strains”. Despite the recent overblown stories, there’s no strong evidence that more dangerous strains have evolved—or even that there’s more than one strain. Here's a guide to making sense of it all.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/05/coronavirus-strains-transmissible/611239/
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yuneeq on May 07, 2020, 01:36:09 AM
That certain people and personalities revealed their stripes.

Because of corona, I found out that my cousin has been volunteering to bury people for many years, a good friend of mine volunteers for taharos, and so do 2 other people I know well. Nice to find out that I underestimated the greatness of the everyday people in my life.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on May 08, 2020, 08:45:30 AM
 After Recovery From the Coronavirus, Most People Carry Antibodies
A new study adds to evidence of immunity among those who have already been exposed to the pathogen.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/health/coronavirus-antibody-prevalence.html
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: cmey on May 08, 2020, 09:19:53 AM
After Recovery From the Coronavirus, Most People Carry Antibodies
A new study adds to evidence of immunity among those who have already been exposed to the pathogen.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/health/coronavirus-antibody-prevalence.html

Interesting. So those who tested negative for antibodies after being positive for covid were almost all tested too early.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on May 08, 2020, 09:48:30 AM
Interesting. So those who tested negative for antibodies after being positive for covid were almost all tested too early.

It seems that way a relative of mine was so disappointed not to have antibodies during the Bikur Cholim drive. He tested a week later by Quest and came back positive.
Quest however does not attach a number you just get a positive or a negative. I do not know if there is a certain amount of antibodies that you need.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on May 08, 2020, 09:49:06 AM
For what this is worth..... We have trust in the one above....

https://www.health.gov.au/news/getting-our-kids-back-to-school-a-matter-of-trust
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on May 08, 2020, 09:56:44 AM
Interesting. So those who tested negative for antibodies after being positive for covid were almost all tested too early.
Fascinating article. Very positive. The most concerning part for me was how over 60% of the people who were sure they had it based on their symptoms and exposure did not have antibodies..
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: avromie7 on May 08, 2020, 09:59:33 AM
Fascinating article. Very positive. The most concerning part for me was how over 60% of the people who were sure they had it based on their symptoms and exposure did not have antibodies..
1) Many people went even without being sure they had it.
2) How many of them if tested a month later would be positive for antibodies?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on May 08, 2020, 10:05:22 AM
1) Many people went even without being sure they had it.
2) How many of them if tested a month later would be positive for antibodies?
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Because tests to diagnose coronavirus infection were unavailable to most people in New York City in March, the researchers included another 719 people in their study who suspected they had Covid-19 based on symptoms and exposure to the virus, but in whom the illness had not been diagnosed.
Sounds like they were people who suspected they had it because of symptoms and exposure back in March, the same time frame and conditions as the other group. The only differential was whether they were ever confirmed positive before.

Which brings us back to the point that many the people who say theyíve had it may not necessarily have had it.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: skyguy918 on May 08, 2020, 10:22:52 AM
I'm curious about this part:
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Because tests to diagnose coronavirus infection were unavailable to most people in New York City in March, the researchers included another 719 people in their study who suspected they had Covid-19 based on symptoms and exposure to the virus, but in whom the illness had not been diagnosed.

In this group, the researchers found a different picture altogether. The majority of these people ó 62 percent ó did not seem to have antibodies.
For example, I tested negative for antibodies, while my wife, who had a positive diagnostic test previously, tested positive for antibodies. We took no distancing precautions from each other (simply not practical given our circumstances) of any kind during the time that she presumably had the virus. Ain lecha exposure gadol mizeh. Why would I not have contracted it? And if I truly didn't contract it, what would be different down the line to cause me to contract it from an outside source. I'm sure I'm not the only one in this boat, whether people realize it or not.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yeshivabucher on May 08, 2020, 10:25:04 AM
I'm curious about this part:For example, I tested negative for antibodies, while my wife, who had a positive diagnostic test previously, tested positive for antibodies. We took no distancing precautions from each other (simply not practical given our circumstances) of any kind during the time that she presumably had the virus. Ain lecha exposure gadol mizeh. Why would I not have contracted it? And if I truly didn't contract it, what would be different down the line to cause me to contract it from an outside source. I'm sure I'm not the only one in this boat, whether people realize it or not.
a. she wasnt that contagious b. false negitive.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: etech0 on May 08, 2020, 10:26:29 AM
Wonder if you would test positive a week later
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on May 08, 2020, 10:27:45 AM
I'm curious about this part:For example, I tested negative for antibodies, while my wife, who had a positive diagnostic test previously, tested positive for antibodies. We took no distancing precautions from each other (simply not practical given our circumstances) of any kind during the time that she presumably had the virus. Ain lecha exposure gadol mizeh. Why would I not have contracted it? And if I truly didn't contract it, what would be different down the line to cause me to contract it from an outside source. I'm sure I'm not the only one in this boat, whether people realize it or not.
I know of others in a similar situation. Did you have any symptoms? Iíve seen a few possible answers, but it is a mystery right now
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: mme on May 08, 2020, 10:30:55 AM
I'm curious about this part:For example, I tested negative for antibodies, while my wife, who had a positive diagnostic test previously, tested positive for antibodies. We took no distancing precautions from each other (simply not practical given our circumstances) of any kind during the time that she presumably had the virus. Ain lecha exposure gadol mizeh. Why would I not have contracted it? And if I truly didn't contract it, what would be different down the line to cause me to contract it from an outside source. I'm sure I'm not the only one in this boat, whether people realize it or not.
my mother had the same thing my father tested positive for the virus and for antibodies and she tested negative for antibodies
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on May 08, 2020, 10:32:30 AM
I'm curious about this part:For example, I tested negative for antibodies, while my wife, who had a positive diagnostic test previously, tested positive for antibodies. We took no distancing precautions from each other (simply not practical given our circumstances) of any kind during the time that she presumably had the virus. Ain lecha exposure gadol mizeh. Why would I not have contracted it? And if I truly didn't contract it, what would be different down the line to cause me to contract it from an outside source. I'm sure I'm not the only one in this boat, whether people realize it or not.
Some possible answers Iíve seen (donít know enough about the science to confirm validity):
A) You caught it once she was contagious, so you tested yourself too early because youíre really 2 weeks behind her
B) She had a low viral load, not enough to really infect others so you didnít catch it from her
C) Not everybody gets it from everyone, as long as she didnít sneeze or cough close to your mouth/nose itís possible for you not to have gotten it but still get it from any random person who sneezes
D) You have some type of natural immunity so your body didnít need to produce antibodies and you didnít show symptoms
E) You got it, but in a really small dose, so it didnít show on a test and you didnít produce antibodies
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on May 08, 2020, 10:36:27 AM
I know of others in a similar situation. Did you have any symptoms? Iíve seen a few possible answers, but it is a mystery right now
I think this really underscores the point once more that as much as we know, thereís more we donít know, and taking foolish risks because you think youíve had it can be just as costly as mistakes in the early stages were.

I know way too many people whoíve abandoned all restrictions because ďI already had itĒ  or worse, becaus ďI was exposed to someone who had itĒ when they never tested positive for the test or antibodies, and never exhibited more than mild symptoms (which could easily have been anything else). That includes a 70 year old couple Iím close to, though sheís waiting on the results of an antibody test at least before she completely rejoins society
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: skyguy918 on May 08, 2020, 11:01:53 AM
In terms of our symptoms/timeline: My wife had symptoms (primarily feeling lightheaded and short bouts of minor shortness of of breath - no fever) starting with the shabbos after Purim, culminating with her deciding to get tested on 3/20. I had some very minor cold like symptoms that week, but then had fever for a few days after that, which was enough to make me retreat to bed for a day or two. So whatever happened to both of us was basically contained to March, with both of us feeling completely symptom free by April. We did our antibody tests on 5/4, so we're talking about more than a month symptom free.

A) You caught it once she was contagious, so you tested yourself too early because youíre really 2 weeks behind her
Similar to @etech0 comment. Given our timeline, I don't see how this could be the explanation.
B) She had a low viral load, not enough to really infect others so you didnít catch it from her
Similar to @yeshivabucher comment. It's an interesting idea, and I've heard the level of viral load being discussed in terms of people getting infected, but nothing about it in regards to the contagiousness of the already infected individual. I'd be curious to see more discussion of this with all the research going on.
C) Not everybody gets it from everyone, as long as she didnít sneeze or cough close to your mouth/nose itís possible for you not to have gotten it but still get it from any random person who sneezes
Always a possibility, but like I said before, I know for myself that it was ain lecha exposure gadol mizeh.
D) You have some type of natural immunity so your body didnít need to produce antibodies and you didnít show symptoms
I haven't seen any discussion of such a concept. How would it even work? What natural properties/characteristics could possible provide immunity?
E) You got it, but in a really small dose, so it didnít show on a test and you didnít produce antibodies
This could be as well, but practically speaking, I assume it would put me in the same boat as not having had it at all.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ckmk47 on May 08, 2020, 11:18:30 AM
So far, the only tests for antibodies that are reliable are those done in conjunction with the Mayo Clinic or Mt Sinai Hospital.  the tests done for plasma testing is sent to Mayo.
The FDA just approved a new test.  I think from Abbott labs.   I assume it'll hit the local labs pretty quickly.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: skyguy918 on May 08, 2020, 11:21:57 AM
So far, the only tests for antibodies that are reliable are those done in conjunction with the Mayo Clinic or Mt Sinai Hospital.  the tests done for plasma testing is sent to Mayo.
The FDA just approved a new test.  I think from Abbott labs.   I assume it'll hit the local labs pretty quickly.
Not to presume that you were addressing me, but in case you're wondering, we did ours at Mt Sinai.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on May 08, 2020, 11:25:56 AM
I haven't seen any discussion of such a concept. How would it even work? What natural properties/characteristics could possible provide immunity?
I have seen a bunch of theories ranging from previous exposure to coronaviruses or other viruses like the common cold or flu, to blood type, to higher levels of Vitamin D. If this is the case, youíre probably golden BH.

This could be as well, but practucally speaking, I assume it would put me in the same boat as not having had it at all.
Unfortunately, if this is the case, youíre probably in the same boat as one who never got it at all.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Yard sale on May 08, 2020, 02:13:35 PM
According to a piece posted on the Lakewood Scoop there was exactly ONE SINGLE covid related transfer by Hatzalah in the past few weeks, And emergency rooms are sitting empty in some hospitals desperate for more ďbusiness ďMaybe someone in the know can confirm.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on May 08, 2020, 02:15:33 PM
According to a piece posted on the Lakewood Scoop there was exactly ONE SINGLE covid related transfer by Hatzalah in the past few weeks. Maybe someone in the know can confirm.
What do you consider a Covid related transfer? I just got off the phone with NP Sefalko from CHEMED, and she advised me that sheís in touch with the ERs and doctors around Lakewood and theyíre monitoring the growing Kawasaki cases very closely though it doesnít seem too widespread yet BH

ETA: You should put a disclaimer that the ďpieceď you are referring to is a random letter from a reader who actually said this

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The number of active cases in New Jersey continues to drop. New hospitalizations are way down, and discharges are outpacing them. Ventilator usage in the state is barely at a third of capacity, and emergency rooms are empty. Credible sources say that some hospitals in New Jersey are laying off staff because their census counts are so low. A director of a New Jersey hospital said off-the-record that he is desperate for new patients, begging emergency services to send him ďdrunks and broken toenails.Ē

In Lakewood, one of the hardest-hit Townships in the state, calls to Hatzolah are back to pre-Covid-19 levels and they have reportedly done just one corona-related hospital transport in the past few weeks. All this data demands that a clear plan be put into place, and yet we have nothing.

Very far from a ďpieceĒ in the Lakewood Scoop.. this has nothing to do with news. I think people might take what you are saying as news reported not realizing itís one manís opinion and hearsay.



Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Yard sale on May 08, 2020, 02:19:53 PM
What do you consider a Covid related transfer? I just got off the phone with NP Sefalko from CHEMED, and she advised me that sheís in touch with the ERs and doctors around Lakewood and theyíre monitoring the growing Kawasaki cases very closely though it doesnít seem too widespread yet BH

Iím guess he meant there was only one transfer inclusive of Kawasaki. Do you know of any Kawasaki Hatzalah transfers? I havenít heard of any.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on May 08, 2020, 02:21:32 PM
Iím guess he meant there was only one transfer inclusive of Kawasaki. Do you know of any Kawasaki Hatzalah transfers? I havenít heard of any.
Someone on these forums reported 2 on the same day this week
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Yard sale on May 08, 2020, 02:25:31 PM
Someone on these forums reported 2 on the same day this week

I think you meant this.
They were hospitalized due to Kawasaki; and I have now heard of a second child hospitalized with Kawasaki (and tested positive for Covid-19) as well. Both direct second hand reports; both in Lakewood.

Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on May 08, 2020, 02:27:29 PM
I think you meant this.
Makes sense
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on May 08, 2020, 05:13:12 PM
So far, the only tests for antibodies that are reliable are those done in conjunction with the Mayo Clinic or Mt Sinai Hospital.  the tests done for plasma testing is sent to Mayo.
The FDA just approved a new test.  I think from Abbott labs.   I assume it'll hit the local labs pretty quickly.
The Abbott labs test has been available through Quest labs for about 2 weeks already.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: simplicity on May 08, 2020, 07:41:34 PM
Reb abraham jeremias came home today after weeks on a respirator!!! Hodu LíHashem!!!!!
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ckmk47 on May 10, 2020, 12:36:28 AM
The Abbott labs test has been available through Quest labs for about 2 weeks already.
My mistake.  The new FDA approved antibody test is from Roche Labs.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on May 10, 2020, 11:05:05 AM
One thing that is baffeling many is how in the same family only some got it even though they were all living together in the same house. Some speculate that there are people that are less susceptible to get it - even though I do not understand how this would be. Here is some info on this topic.

Individual variation in susceptibility or exposure to SARS-CoV-2 lowers the herd immunity threshold - https://medrxiv.org/cgi/content/short/2020.04.27.20081893v1
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on May 10, 2020, 11:14:21 AM
One thing that is baffeling many is how in the same family only some got it even though they were all living together in the same house. Some speculate that there are people that are less susceptible to get it - even though I do not understand how this would be. Here is some info on this topic.

Individual variation in susceptibility or exposure to SARS-CoV-2 lowers the herd immunity threshold - https://medrxiv.org/cgi/content/short/2020.04.27.20081893v1

Even if itís theoretically true, is there a way to quantify this?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: avromie7 on May 10, 2020, 11:18:50 AM
Even if itís theoretically true, is there a way to quantify this?
Take 10,000 people who tested positive and check how many of their household members have antibodies
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on May 10, 2020, 03:57:41 PM
Take 10,000 people who tested positive and check how many of their household members have antibodies
Anecdotally, itís been rare for asymptomatic household members to have antibodies in the circle of people Iíve spoken to whoíve tested
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: skyguy918 on May 10, 2020, 04:10:26 PM
Anecdotally, itís been rare for asymptomatic household members to have antibodies in the circle of people Iíve spoken to whoíve tested
Sometimes even symptomatic household members.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: avromie7 on May 10, 2020, 04:34:14 PM
It looks like NYS is finally getting it figured out, requiring nursing home staff to be tested twice a week and barring hospitals from releasing COVID positive patients to nursing homes.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: KSMH on May 10, 2020, 04:53:27 PM
It looks like NYS is finally getting it figured out, requiring nursing home staff to be tested twice a week and barring hospitals from releasing COVID positive patients to nursing homes.
Cuomo  woke up and smelled the coffee, it's a shame ppl can't see thru the disastrous job he's doing.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on May 10, 2020, 04:54:25 PM
Cuomo  woke up and smelled the cofee, it's a shame ppl cant see thru the disastrous job hes doing.
They see politics and not the job. Happening in every thread.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on May 10, 2020, 04:54:44 PM
It looks like NYS is finally getting it figured out, requiring nursing home staff to be tested twice a week and barring hospitals from releasing COVID positive patients to nursing homes.
Where are they going?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: KSMH on May 10, 2020, 05:05:49 PM
They see politics and not the job. Happening in every thread.
In NJ, +/-  40% - 50% of deaths have been at nursing homes.

Many nursing homes had nothing they could do, they were short on PPE, nothing to buy, federal or state gov took all. Staff taking sick leave after requiring quarantine. The list goes on and on. The government was not only not a help but a direct contribution to the problem.

Sadly....  many are owned by jews and many will become a scapegoat for government action, including criminal.

They wont nesecerally investigate hospitals, but nursing homes, just wait.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: avromie7 on May 10, 2020, 05:09:17 PM
Where are they going?
I guess for now they'll have to stay in the hospital. IMO the long term plan should be to have special COVID+ nursing homes staffed by recovered nurses.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on May 10, 2020, 05:12:43 PM
I guess for now they'll have to stay in the hospital. IMO the long term plan should be to have special COVID+ nursing homes staffed by recovered nurses.
So hospital have to keep nursing home patients that don't belong there? I can see that being a major problem when the hospitals were overwhelmed.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: avromie7 on May 10, 2020, 05:16:49 PM
So hospital have to keep nursing home patients that don't belong there? I can see that being a major problem when the hospitals were overwhelmed.
At this point they're no longer overwhelmed.
Another solution is to send them to the javits center, something they should have done all along.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: etech0 on May 11, 2020, 10:10:49 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CAEe4y0gLcT/
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Yard sale on May 13, 2020, 05:50:35 PM
https://matzav.com/new-york-city-breaks-record-58-straight-days-with-no-pedestrian-deaths/

And no school shootings either
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on May 13, 2020, 06:31:57 PM
https://matzav.com/new-york-city-breaks-record-58-straight-days-with-no-pedestrian-deaths/

And no school shootings either
To all those who said crime would shoot up during quarantine, crime has plummeted in NYC by 40%..
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on May 13, 2020, 06:33:30 PM
To all those who said crime would shoot up during quarantine, crime has plummeted in NYC by 40%..
Less enforcement = less statistics
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on May 13, 2020, 07:54:12 PM
Less enforcement = less statistics
Fair.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on May 13, 2020, 08:01:58 PM
https://vosizneias.com/2020/05/13/researchers-at-ben-gurion-university-develop-one-minute-coronavirus-test/
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on May 13, 2020, 09:30:55 PM
https://vosizneias.com/2020/05/13/researchers-at-ben-gurion-university-develop-one-minute-coronavirus-test/

Really great news if it pans out. Means screening can happen on arrival.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Alexsei on May 13, 2020, 09:39:30 PM
Really great news if it pans out. Means screening can happen on arrival.
And? if you have a positive you quarantine the whole plane? seatmates?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yelped on May 13, 2020, 10:09:29 PM
Really great news if it pans out. Means screening can happen on arrival.
You mean before entering the departure airport.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on May 13, 2020, 10:21:56 PM
In addition to screening before the trip, which can be done at a doctorís office or whatever. This would be to satisfy the Israelis.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: simple26 on May 13, 2020, 10:48:09 PM
So it may work after all ......
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8309337/Zinc-hydroxychloroquine-effective-COVID-19-patients-study.html
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on May 13, 2020, 11:04:55 PM
So it may work after all ......
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8309337/Zinc-hydroxychloroquine-effective-COVID-19-patients-study.html

There may be a crow shortage.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: username on May 13, 2020, 11:30:24 PM
There may be a crow shortage.
Post in the Something Birdy thread.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: KSMH on May 13, 2020, 11:33:50 PM
So it may work after all ......
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8309337/Zinc-hydroxychloroquine-effective-COVID-19-patients-study.html
https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2020/05/12/nyu-study-looks-at-hydroxychloroquine-zinc-azithromycin-combo-on-decreasing-covid-19-deaths

Coincidence, I know 2 people
1 a 50 YO women that had high fever + x2 lung pneumonia for a week + and after 2 days started getting better.
1 a 90+ YO man that had high fever + x2 lung pneumonia for a few days and after taking started getting better, he had someone monitoring his heart to make sure all is ok, after a few days when he was mostly better his heart started showing some irregular rhythm which he in return was instructed to stop taking, but he was mostly better by then and BH fully recovered.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: simple26 on May 13, 2020, 11:49:55 PM
Dr Zelenko really digs in(pick and take)
https://matzav.com/watch-new-interview-with-dr-zelenko-who-will-report-99-reduction-of-mortality/
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: KSMH on May 13, 2020, 11:56:11 PM
Dr Zelenko really digs in(pick and take)
https://matzav.com/watch-new-interview-with-dr-zelenko-who-will-report-99-reduction-of-mortality/

When I went to parts of Africa I was given hydroxychloroquine I wasn't told there is any danger. 

For most ppl there is nothing to loose, so why not take it. I just dont understand what some r thinking.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on May 14, 2020, 07:27:06 AM
Dr Zelenko really digs in(pick and take)
https://matzav.com/watch-new-interview-with-dr-zelenko-who-will-report-99-reduction-of-mortality/
Didn't watch, but the study is not saying it accomplished what he said it did.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: simple26 on May 14, 2020, 10:34:56 AM
Didn't watch, but the study is not saying it accomplished what he said it did.
The study was not done the way he prescribes it ,early on
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on May 14, 2020, 10:55:53 AM
https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2020/05/12/nyu-study-looks-at-hydroxychloroquine-zinc-azithromycin-combo-on-decreasing-covid-19-deaths

Coincidence, I know 2 people
1 a 50 YO women that had high fever + x2 lung pneumonia for a week + and after 2 days started getting better.
1 a 90+ YO man that had high fever + x2 lung pneumonia for a few days and after taking started getting better, he had someone monitoring his heart to make sure all is ok, after a few days when he was mostly better his heart started showing some irregular rhythm which he in return was instructed to stop taking, but he was mostly better by then and BH fully recovered.
Would be great if this is works. I personally know 2 people who were treated with it, seemingly started to recover, then died of cardiac arrest. Both older.

My grandmother and Rabbi Plutchok.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Afrages6 on May 14, 2020, 11:01:39 AM
Would be great if this is works. I personally know 2 people who were treated with it, seemingly started to recover, then died of cardiac arrest. Both older.

My grandmother and Rabbi Plutchok.

That is terrible, I know in the five towns that people who were taking it were regularly given EKGs because that could be a potential problem.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on May 14, 2020, 11:03:30 AM
That is terrible, I know in the five towns that people who were taking it were regularly given EKGs because that could be a potential problem.
This should have been standard. Unfortunately both were released (because of an apparent shortage of beds) after showing strong signs of recovery. We have a lot of questions..
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Afrages6 on May 14, 2020, 11:16:47 AM
This should have been standard. Unfortunately both were released (because of an apparent shortage of beds) after showing strong signs of recovery. We have a lot of questions..
The doomsday projections of hospitals running out of beds seems to have caused lots of deaths. The whole nursing home thing in NY was because they were worried about the model that said they would have 140k hospitalizations. It seems like early discharges may have caused unnecessary death as well.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: flyingace on May 14, 2020, 11:22:31 AM
This should have been standard. Unfortunately both were released (because of an apparent shortage of beds) after showing strong signs of recovery. We have a lot of questions..
The medical establishment also did not know about the thickening of the blood right away. People were sent home with dangerously high numbers. Once they realized the issue it was monitored and treated before release.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on May 14, 2020, 11:24:11 AM
The doomsday projections of hospitals running out of beds seems to have caused lots of deaths. The whole nursing home thing in NY was because they were worried about the model that said they would have 140k hospitalizations. It seems like early discharges may have caused unnecessary death as well.
Yes, this supports the Ben Ish Chai about fear killing more than a mageifa

The medical establishment also did not know about the thickening of the blood right away. People were sent home with dangerously high numbers. Once they realized the issue it was monitored and treated before release.
BH we now have had time to find this out, this should help bring mortality down significantly. This is one more step in the right direction that time has bought us.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Afrages6 on May 14, 2020, 11:30:12 AM
The medical establishment also did not know about the thickening of the blood right away. People were sent home with dangerously high numbers. Once they realized the issue it was monitored and treated before release.


It also seems like the early intubation of lots of patients caused lots of problems. All hospitals are shifting away from ventilators as anything but a last resort.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Afrages6 on May 14, 2020, 11:30:43 AM
Yes, this supports the Ben Ish Chai about fear killing more than a mageifa

Never saw this before, mind sharing the source?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Euclid on May 14, 2020, 11:33:10 AM

BH we now have had time to find this out, this should help bring mortality down significantly. This is one more step in the right direction that time has bought us.
"But, but, but the goalposts are shifting!"
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Iz on May 14, 2020, 11:33:35 AM
Never saw this before, mind sharing the source?
Second column, second paragraph.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on May 14, 2020, 11:38:42 AM
Second column, second paragraph.
Thanks, this was going around and has been a primary justification for people who have ignored the danger. Although this obviously would affect anyone who was hospitalized regardless of cause of death, it was no safer just because it wasnít directly from COVID.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on May 14, 2020, 11:43:30 AM
Second column, second paragraph.
Also, after reading through it, it seems ironic that people were using it as a justification for ignoring the danger and continuing with life as usual when he was clearly saying that running far away from the city which is infected is the correct approach
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Iz on May 14, 2020, 11:49:49 AM
Thanks, this was going around and has been a primary justification for people who have ignored the danger. Although this obviously would affect anyone who was hospitalized regardless of cause of death, it was no safer just because it wasnít directly from COVID.
Also, after reading through it, it seems ironic that people were using it as a justification for ignoring the danger and continuing with life as usual when he was clearly saying that running far away from the city which is infected is the correct approach
Of course. Actually, I am shocked to hear that it was so misused. I took from it simply דברי חיזוק to not sink into despair, and retain בטחון, after common sense השתלדות.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Iz on May 14, 2020, 11:55:12 AM
Of course. Actually, I am shocked to hear that it was so misused. I took from it simply דברי חיזוק to not sink into despair, and retain בטחון, after common sense השתלדות.
See alsתשו' רשב"ש סי' קצ"ה ס (brought in גליון הש"ס on that same Gemara), where he says:

אבל בימות המגפה צריך להזהר בתכלית השמירה וכו' ושלא להרבות במזון ושיאכל דברים טובי האיכות ומעטי הכמות, וירבה המנוחה וירחיק היגיעה, וירבה מהמנוחים הטובים, וירחיק האנחה וירבה השמחה
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on May 14, 2020, 12:11:52 PM
See alsתשו' רשב"ש סי' קצ"ה ס (brought in גליון הש"ס on that same Gemara), where he says:

אבל בימות המגפה צריך להזהר בתכלית השמירה וכו' ושלא להרבות במזון ושיאכל דברים טובי האיכות ומעטי הכמות, וירבה המנוחה וירחיק היגיעה, וירבה מהמנוחים הטובים, וירחיק האנחה וירבה השמחה
See also the very next shtickel in the Ben Ish Chai, where he explains the phenomenon of going to Shul having the potential to harm..
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Iz on May 14, 2020, 12:20:47 PM
See also the very next shtickel in the Ben Ish Chai, where he explains the phenomenon of going to Shul having the potential to harm..
Yes, but he also says something else there about shul, which I deliberately left out in this forum...
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on May 14, 2020, 01:18:15 PM
See alsתשו' רשב"ש סי' קצ"ה ס (brought in גליון הש"ס on that same Gemara), where he says:

אבל בימות המגפה צריך להזהר בתכלית השמירה וכו' ושלא להרבות במזון ושיאכל דברים טובי האיכות ומעטי הכמות, וירבה המנוחה וירחיק היגיעה, וירבה מהמנוחים הטובים, וירחיק האנחה וירבה השמחה

Ignoring the first few words of course since the end is so much more important.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on May 14, 2020, 01:39:41 PM

It also seems like the early intubation of lots of patients caused lots of problems. All hospitals are shifting away from ventilators as anything but a last resort.

This is ironic because FWIU ventilators at the time seemed to be the gold standard for treatment for serious cases with pneumonia, the sooner the better.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Afrages6 on May 14, 2020, 01:44:19 PM
This is ironic because FWIU ventilators at the time seemed to be the gold standard for treatment for serious cases with pneumonia, the sooner the better.
Yes. This likely led to a lot of deaths. Hospitals were intubating patients early because they thought it was safer for the nurses/doctors.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yelped on May 14, 2020, 01:47:23 PM
That certain people and personalities revealed their stripes.
I'm going to bump this again. Some people astound me in their sheer stupidity and stubbornness.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Lurker on May 14, 2020, 02:13:15 PM
I'm going to bump this again. Some people astound me in their sheer stupidity and stubbornness.

Repeat after me:
G-d, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
courage to change the things I can,
and wisdom to know the difference.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on May 14, 2020, 11:06:02 PM
https://www.vox.com/2020/5/13/21248157/testing-quarantine-masks-stimulus
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Afrages6 on May 15, 2020, 10:35:19 AM
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05/t-cells-found-covid-19-patients-bode-well-long-term-immunity
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Yard sale on May 15, 2020, 10:47:11 AM
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05/t-cells-found-covid-19-patients-bode-well-long-term-immunity

ďThe teams also asked whether people who havenít been infected with SARS-CoV-2 also produce cells that combat it. Thiel and colleagues analyzed blood from 68 uninfected people and found that 34% hosted helper T cells that recognized SARS-CoV-2. The La Jolla team detected this crossreactivity in about half of stored blood samples collected between 2015 and 2018, well before the current pandemic began. The researchers think these cells were likely triggered by past infection with one of the four human coronaviruses that cause colds; proteins in these viruses resemble those of SARS-CoV-2.Ē

 Letís see if this bears out. This would certainly explain why herd immunity appears to be reached well before the 70 to 80% threshold that it was assumed to have needed, and why some members of a household never develop the virus despite repeated exposure to an infected family member.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Ergel on May 15, 2020, 10:50:19 AM
This would certainly explain why herd immunity appears to be reached well before the 70 to 80% threshold that it was assumed to have needed
Are you saying there are places that have reached herd immunity?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Yard sale on May 15, 2020, 11:08:29 AM
Are you saying there are places that have reached herd immunity?

There were studies showing a significantly lower threshold than 70% is needed for covid herd immunity. Was linked somewhere in DDF.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: skyguy918 on May 15, 2020, 11:46:37 AM
There were studies showing a significantly lower threshold than 70% is needed for covid herd immunity. Was linked somewhere in DDF.
It's not studies plural, it's just the one. And it wasn't a study, it was a paper trying to explain the science behind why the threshold might be lower.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Yard sale on May 15, 2020, 11:53:24 AM
It's not studies plural, it's just the one. And it wasn't a study, it was a paper trying to explain the science behind why the threshold might be lower.

Donít remember offhand. If thatís what it was I stand corrected.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on May 15, 2020, 03:33:47 PM
It's not studies plural, it's just the one. And it wasn't a study, it was a paper trying to explain the science behind why the threshold might be lower.
It was a paper that could only hold true if the infection rate was lower, which was the operating assumption (that due to different levels of mobility in different parts of society the R0 number is overall lower). If thatís the case, then either less people are infected then claimed, or immunity (based on amount of people claimed infected) was not reached. You canít have both, they are mutually exclusive. As always, the more contagious something is the higher the threshold needed for herd immunity. Itís really just a simple math equation.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on May 15, 2020, 03:35:19 PM
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Iz on May 16, 2020, 09:27:36 PM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/after-devastating-economic-contraction-glimmers-of-growth-emerge-11589626800
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: avromie7 on May 16, 2020, 09:46:24 PM
It was a paper that could only hold true if the infection rate was lower, which was the operating assumption (that due to different levels of mobility in different parts of society the R0 number is overall lower). If thatís the case, then either less people are infected then claimed, or immunity (based on amount of people claimed infected) was not reached. You canít have both, they are mutually exclusive. As always, the more contagious something is the higher the threshold needed for herd immunity. Itís really just a simple math equation.
If a significant portion of the population has immunity from other coronaviruses, or can't get the virus for some other reason (which seems to be the case)? Let's say it's 25% of the population, that would mean if 30% of the population got the virus we're at 55% immunity.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on May 16, 2020, 09:47:59 PM
If a significant portion of the population has immunity from other coronaviruses, or can't get the virus for some other reason (which seems to be the case)? Let's say it's 25% of the population, that would mean if 30% of the population got the virus we're at 55% immunity.
That was not mentioned in the study that was linked to, although thatís definitely an interesting theory. I think someone once linked to a study in Germany that raised that possibility.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Iz on May 17, 2020, 09:51:51 AM
The Lockdown Skeptic They Couldnít Silence

Targeted for censorship in March, Aaron Ginn is becoming an influential voice in cities, states and Washington.

By Allysia Finley
Updated May 15, 2020 5:48 pm ET

Does a pandemic demand the strong medicine of censorship? Social-media companies seem to think so. Theyíre taking steps to control speech in the name of combating the spread of medical misinformation. Facebook employs ďfact checkersĒ to review posts, makes those that donít pass their test harder to find, and directs users to purportedly reliable sources like the World Health Organization. YouTube has taken down videos it deems inconsistent with science. Twitter plans to add warning labels to tweets that donít pass muster with ďsubject-matter experts, such as public health authorities.Ē

Aaron Ginnís story is a cautionary tale that even well-intended censorship can overreach, suppressing the search for truth. Mr. Ginn, 32, is the Silicon Valley technologist who posted an essay on March 20 titled ďEvidence over hysteriaóCOVID-19Ē on the Medium website. Citing academic research and government data, Mr. Ginn argued that public-health experts were focusing too much on ďflattening the curve . . . while ignoring the economic shock to our systemĒ of shuttering businesses and schools and ordering Americans to stay home.

ďWhen 13% of Americans believe they are currently infected with COVID-19 (mathematically impossible),Ē he wrote, ďfull-on panic is blocking our ability to think clearly and determine how to deploy our resources to stop this virus.Ē The message was well-timedóthe day he posted it, Gov. Andrew Cuomo ordered ďnonessentialĒ New York businesses to close.

Mr. Ginnís essay drew 2.6 million page views in 24 hoursóand a barrage of liberal criticism. Carl T. Bergstrom, a University of Washington biologist, called it ďShakespeare run through google translate into Japanese, then translated back to English by someone whoíd never heard of Shakespeare.Ē Then Medium took it down, saying it violated rules under a ďrisk analysis framework we use for ĎControversial, Suspect and Extreme content.í Ē

Yet if Medium meant to stifle debate, its action backfired. Mr. Ginn has since become an informal organizer of a small battalion of well-credentialed dissenters. They include Michael Levitt (a Stanford biologist and the 2013 Nobel laureate in chemistry), John Ioannidis and Jay Bhattacharya (both Stanford professors of medicine), Joel Hay (a University of Southern California professor of pharmacy and health economics) and Neeraj Sood (a USC health economist). They and other researchers have been advising state and local governments on easing their lockdowns. On Thursday Dr. Bhattacharya and Messrs. Hay and Sood fielded questions from the Arizona Legislature about how to reopen the stateís economy.

On one side, Mr. Ginn says, are ideologues heavily invested in the idea of lockdown, regardless of the cost. On the other are scientists with data that the lockdowns are overkill. Mr. Ginn himself is a generalist whoís spent the past decade in Silicon Valley as a product engineer and ďgrowth hackerĒóargot for a marketing strategist. But he was aware of the coronavirus earlyóhe says he started following it as soon as it was reported in China in January.

ďMy [paternal] grandparents fled Communist China 50 years ago,Ē he says. His mother was the daughter of an Arizona copper miner, and he was born in Fort Worth, Texas. In college, he studied Chinese and went to China as a Christian missionary.

Soon after Beijing quarantined Wuhan and other cities in Hubei province on Jan. 23, cases started popping up in Europe and other Asian countries. ďI was concerned, but I did not think that it was going to escalate this quickly,Ē Mr. Ginn says. Then in late February towns in Northern Italy started locking down.

Mr. Ginn was disturbed that Western governments were relying on questionable Chinese data on infections and fatalities to develop their epidemiological models and reflexively copying its response to the virus. He saw no evidence that the lockdowns suppressed the virusís spread or reduced fatalities. China has reported new cases since lifting its Wuhan lockdown late last month, Mr. Ginn notes, though its data are still unreliable.

ďThere was actually lots of good evidence that we knew about the virus that we were ignoring, that I included in my original Medium piece as things that we should consider, in terms of moderation,Ē he says. Nobody challenged his data, he says, only his interpretation of it.

ďI believe in the free expression of ideas,Ē he says. ďI had a more positive view of the data than the broader norms were, but its removal was not justified.Ē He acknowledges that some of his inferences may prove wrongóbut notes thatís equally true of his critics. ďScience is the process of understanding the data and testing hypotheses and making sure that our underlying biases are being controlled for as much as possible.Ē

Mr. Ginn spends his days sifting through coronavirus studies, news stories and data, which he compiles in exhaustive daily news feeds that he sends to policy makers, including White House officials as well as state and city lawmakers. His goal is to balance the mediaís prevailing pro-lockdown bias by amplifying the voices of skeptical experts.

One of his priorities is reopening schools. ďWhen it comes to children, the data coming out of Europe is very, very strong,Ē he says. ďYou have, I would say, near-unanimous consensus among European scientists, public-health officialsóincluding in Australia, South Korea and Japanóthat children, for some reason, while they do get infected, they are not very infectious.Ē

A recent study from Australia identified only 18 cases (nine children and nine staff) across 15 schools, and only two of the infected childrenís 863 close contacts at the schools became ill. Another review last month, published by the Royal College of Paediatricians and Child Health, couldnít find an instance of a child passing on the virus to adults and noted that the evidence ďconsistently demonstrates reduced infection and infectivity of children in the transmission chain.Ē

Mr. Ginn has been closely following Sweden, which has kept children under 16 in school and let most businesses stay open while restricting gatherings of more than 50 people. His daily briefings frequently cite Swedenís state epidemiologist, Anders Tegnell, who has argued that government lockdowns lack a ďscientific basisĒ and ďpeople should be able to keep a reasonably normal life.Ē Dr. Tegnell recently estimated that 40% of Stockholmís population would be immune to the virus by the end of May.

That could bring Sweden closer to ďherd immunityĒ than countries that have sought to suppress spread altogether. ďWe need to Ďsegment and shield,í Ē Mr. Ginn says, ďand let the epidemic go throughĒ: ďThe question is: How are you going to best protect those that are vulnerable in the larger population?Ē

Some scientists say herd immunity would require 60% to 70% of the population to be infected, which would entail massive deaths. Mr. Ginn says those numbers are up for debate. A recent study from a large team of international researchers including some at Oxford and the National Institutes of Health (which hasnít undergone peer review) estimates that ďvariation in susceptibility or exposure to infection can reduce these estimatesĒ so that some populations may achieve herd immunity with an infection rate of only 10% to 20%.

A paper last week by Stockholm University mathematicians estimates herd immunity could be around 43% if young, socially active people mix more and gain immunity, protecting older, less socially active people. In other words, Stockholm may have already achieved herd immunity. Dr. Tegnell said this week that the declining number of cases in Stockholm supports this possibility.

Many studies Mr. Ginn includes in his briefings defy conventional wisdom, and most support his opinion that the lockdowns are too sweeping. But he notes that scientists who support lockdowns are having no problem getting heard. He also cautions that he doesnít endorse everything he cites: ďYou can think of all of these as retweets. I think itís interesting, but I donít necessarily 100% agree with it.Ē

Some belittle him as an ďarmchair epidemiologist.Ē He retorts that ďfacts and data are independent of your credentials.Ē Knowledge of the virus is evolving, and ďwe should always take in new evidence and judge it, and figure out whatís the sort of best policy prescription. A lot of things that we originally thought we were right on were wrong.Ē Take the ď6-foot ruleĒ for maintaining personal social distancing, which Mr. Ginn says isnít supported by scientific evidence. The World Health Organization recommends 1 meter (3 feet, 3 inches), while Germany and Australia suggest 1.5 meters (just under 5 feet). Sweden recommends that people use ďgood judgment.Ē

Thereís evidence his briefings are having an impact. One of his email threads highlighted the low probability of viral spread outdoors. A follower shared it with the City Council of Newport Beach, Calif. Days later, the council voted to reopen its beach. A woman used his briefs to persuade her homeowner association in Houston to reopen a neighborhood playground.

Avik Roy of the Foundation for Research on Equal Opportunity notes that a European study Mr. Ginn highlighted several weeks ago found ďroughly half of all deaths due to COVID-19 in reporting countries was taking place in nursing homes.Ē That prompted Mr. Royís group to conduct a similar survey of the U.S., which estimated that 40% of American deaths were in nursing homes.

John Allison, former CEO of BB&T bank who sits on President Trumpís Great American Economic Revival Commission, credits Mr. Ginn with providing ďa balance in his analysis, weighing both the economic and health burdens of lockdowns and shelter-in-place.Ē

ďI want this to be an open dialogue,Ē Mr. Ginn says. ďBut we shouldnít have public-health people making economic policy. We need to have the policy makers who people vote for make those determinations.Ē After all, ďweíre a democracyóweíre not China.Ē

As for social-media censorship, the internet never forgets. You can still find Mr. Ginnís Medium essay at Archive.org.

Ms. Finley is a member of the Journalís editorial board.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Iz on May 17, 2020, 09:52:53 AM
See WSJ article in previous post. What it says re children, I haven't seen anywhere else, and is a game changer, no?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on May 17, 2020, 09:58:54 AM
See WSJ article in previous post. What it says re children, I haven't seen anywhere else, and is a game changer, no?
Switzerland used it as a basis to reopen schools over a month ago, and many places have reopened schools (with precautions). Itís up for debate. The Kawasaki surge is obviously concerning though.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: avromie7 on May 17, 2020, 10:22:15 AM
The Kawasaki surge is obviously concerning though.
While it is concerning, we would never think of locking down or shutting schools if it wasn't linked to coronavirus. The risk from Kawasaki as it stands right now is basically nonexistent.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Yef on May 17, 2020, 11:15:07 AM
https://hamodia.com/2020/05/15/china-marks-month-without-confirmed-covid-19-deaths/
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Dan on May 17, 2020, 11:17:59 AM
https://hamodia.com/2020/05/15/china-marks-month-without-confirmed-covid-19-deaths/
Who cares what China says?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Yef on May 17, 2020, 11:20:13 AM
Yea Your probably right. It sounded good though
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Proisrael on May 18, 2020, 01:54:52 AM
My kids started school again BH!! (Grades 1-2 7-8 and kindergarden) rest of the grades should start this coming Sunday.

Only Charedi schools have these limitations. Dati and Chiloni schools have fully reopened.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Afrages6 on May 18, 2020, 07:52:54 AM
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/18/moderna-reports-positive-data-on-early-stage-coronavirus-vaccine-trial.html?__source=androidappshare
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Baglach on May 18, 2020, 08:22:35 AM
First time no reported cases in Israel since midnight
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Barryg on May 18, 2020, 10:25:13 AM
First time no reported cases in Israel since midnight
Enjoy the heat wave, Israel
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Yard sale on May 18, 2020, 10:30:17 AM
First time fewer than 15 covid forum threads active since midnight. This thing is winding down. 😀
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on May 18, 2020, 10:34:45 AM
First time fewer than 15 covid forum threads active since midnight. This thing is winding down. 😀
People arenít home anymore ;)
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Ergel on May 18, 2020, 12:14:24 PM
How is the Moderna vaccine data not the #1 story on all news websites?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: etech0 on May 18, 2020, 12:14:58 PM
https://nypost.com/2020/05/18/moderna-reports-positive-results-from-coronavirus-vaccine-trial/?utm_source=maropost&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news_alert&utm_content=20200518&mpweb=755-8876262-720568875
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: etech0 on May 18, 2020, 12:15:20 PM
How is the Moderna vaccine data not the #1 story on all news websites?
It's at the top of matzav :)
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Iz on May 18, 2020, 01:39:12 PM
How is the Moderna vaccine data not the #1 story on all news websites?
#1 on WSJ: U.S. Stocks Rally as Hopes for New Virus Vaccine Build
#2 on WSJ: Moderna Says Initial Covid-19 Vaccine Results Are Positive

Believe it or not, ditto for NYT!
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on May 18, 2020, 01:48:35 PM
How is the Moderna vaccine data not the #1 story on all news websites?
Itís literally the #1 story everywhere Iíve checked, largely in the context of the market though ;)

Itís massive news.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Ergel on May 18, 2020, 02:03:49 PM
Itís literally the #1 story everywhere Iíve checked, largely in the context of the market though ;)

Itís massive news.
Top story on CNN too. Yet Fox leads with some stupid story about some Biden and Obama not being prosecuted
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Iz on May 18, 2020, 02:20:45 PM
Yet Fox leads with some stupid story about some Biden and Obama not being prosecuted
It's worse than that. I can't even find the story there at all!
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Dan on May 18, 2020, 02:21:35 PM
Top story on CNN too. Yet Fox leads with some stupid story about some Biden and Obama not being prosecuted
Bizarre.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Lurker on May 18, 2020, 02:22:37 PM
It's worse than that. I can't even find the story there at all!

Look at how many times you find the word "lockdown" in the headlines or blurbs of their main page. Then go to any other news site and search for the same word. The agenda is sickening.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Iz on May 18, 2020, 02:24:48 PM

Look at how many times you find the word "lockdown" in the headlines or blurbs of their main page.
Yeah, almost as many as here: https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=116381.0 (https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=116381.0) or here: https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=116258.0 (https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=116258.0) ::)
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Lurker on May 18, 2020, 02:26:48 PM
Yeah, almost as many as here: https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=116381.0 (https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=116381.0) or here: https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=116258.0 (https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=116258.0) ::)

Crazy coincidence
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: avromie7 on May 18, 2020, 02:30:50 PM
Look at how many times you find the word "lockdown" in the headlines or blurbs of their main page. Then go to any other news site and search for the same word. The agenda is sickening.
This is your issue with the media? When the government tells everyone to stay home and forces businesses to close, they call it a lockdown?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on May 18, 2020, 02:45:01 PM
This is your issue with the media? When the government tells everyone to stay home and forces businesses to close, they call it a lockdown?
You are making it as if this is the first time anyone complained about the media on ddf
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Lurker on May 18, 2020, 03:45:55 PM
This is your issue with the media? When the government tells everyone to stay home and forces businesses to close, they call it a lockdown?

I have many issues with the media. Mostly, they revolve around different outlets using rhetoric to gaslight segments of the population in order to further their agenda. We see it with race all the time. My issue in this particular instance is that using the term "lockdown" in conjunction with ignoring the positive vaccine news plays into a certain narrative. Understand, in FL, the government tells us to stay home and forces business to close on average about once a year, when a hurricane is coming. The media doesn't call it a lockdown. The only time you'll see lockdown in the context of a hurricane is when cities go under lockdown to prevent looting. Prisons get locked down. It's a term that is used in a context of powerful entities exerting control over people who need to be put in their place. By using that term with regards to the current situation, the media is gaslighting people who already have issues with what they perceive to be excessive government involvement and overreach in their lives. Now rebelling against the lockdown becomes patriotic. It's not a coincidence that the protests have combined groups of far-right anti-government activits and militias with groups of anti-vaxxers, all uniting in the name of patriotism and freedom. So yea, right now, the media putting our safety at risk by legitimizing fringe groups and pushing their ideas mainstream, as evidenced by the prevalence of their ideas on these very forums, that's my issue with the media today.

/rant. Sorry for taking this OT. Mods, feel free to move this to one of the many political/media threads to keep the news good.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on May 18, 2020, 03:46:12 PM
https://www.biospace.com/article/sorrento-ids-antibody-against-covid-19-that-appears-100-percent-effective/
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on May 18, 2020, 09:50:13 PM
https://nypost.com/2020/05/18/moderna-reports-positive-results-from-coronavirus-vaccine-trial/?utm_source=maropost&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news_alert&utm_content=20200518&mpweb=755-8876262-720568875

Not sure why this is earth shattering. This is stage 1 trial data. Arenít there already vaccines in stage 2?

Either way, there are reportedly over 100 vaccines either in clinical trials or or with trials scheduled, what makes this one special? Many of them will hit this milestone sooner or later?

What is the finish-line here anyway? Successful results from stage 3 clinical trial? FDA approval? Government approval in other major countries (but not FDA)? Do any of the above matter if the second finisher has hundreds of millions of doses ready to go? (e.g. one of Bill Gatesí 7 vaccine candidates that heís reportedly already ramping up production on?

My take on this is that the way things seem now, there will be billions of people lining up to get vaccinated, and much more than one winner in this race, not just the first one to cross the fuzzy finish line.

ETA:

There are so many other questions here, like when will the first vaccine be ready? 4Q20, 1Q21, or beyond? Will there be ample supply? Will doses go to the hotspots at the time, to the country of manufacture,  or to the counties willing to pay the most?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on May 18, 2020, 10:45:18 PM
Not sure why this is earth shattering. This is stage 1 trial data. Arenít there already vaccines in stage 2?

Either way, there are reportedly over 100 vaccines either in clinical trials or or with trials scheduled, what makes this one special? Many of them will hit this milestone sooner or later?

What is the finish-line here anyway? Successful results from stage 3 clinical trial? FDA approval? Government approval in other major countries (but not FDA)? Do any of the above matter if the second finisher has hundreds of millions of doses ready to go? (e.g. one of Bill Gatesí 7 vaccine candidates that heís reportedly already ramping up production on?

My take on this is that the way things seem now, there will be billions of people lining up to get vaccinated, and much more than one winner in this race, not just the first one to cross the fuzzy finish line.

ETA:

There are so many other questions here, like when will the first vaccine be ready? 4Q20, 1Q21, or beyond? Will there be ample supply? Will doses go to the hotspots at the time, to the country of manufacture,  or to the counties willing to pay the most?
If Gates has his way we will start at the least developed country and work our way up
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on May 18, 2020, 10:46:02 PM
If Gates has his way we will start at the least developed country and work our way up

Gates is just one factor in this puzzle that has many moving pieces. Thinking about this now, itís very consistent with his agenda. The people who would find a solution without him donít need his help as much as those that are helpless without him.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on May 18, 2020, 10:52:24 PM
Gates is just one factor in this puzzle that has many moving pieces. Thinking about this now, itís very consistent with his agenda. The people who would find a solution without him donít need his help as much as those that are helpless without him.
What do you consider his agenda?

Either way, what these stories do indicate is that weíre probably going to have a vaccine out and distributed in record-shattering time, way ahead of the original 12-18 month window we were told was the fastest possible time. Think 6-9 months from when research began in March.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on May 18, 2020, 11:11:05 PM
Either way, what these stories do indicate is that weíre probably going to have a vaccine out and distributed in record-shattering time, way ahead of the original 12-18 month window we were told was the fastest possible time. Think 6-9 months from when research began in March.

6-9 months? Even nine months is a stretch compared to the (relatively conservative) 12-18 month estimates circulating. I donít think anyone can know for sure how fast they can rush these, but even six months from today (let alone March) sounds like a stretch, my understanding is that phase 3 trials alone take 6-9 months, and none of those have started yet. Also, you mentioned distribution, I thought 12-18 months was clearance, and manufacturing/distribution would be on top of that.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on May 18, 2020, 11:12:49 PM
Without checking the Gates Foundation for a formal mission statement, I would guess itís has something to do with maximum global impact.

I seem to remember something about raising people out of poverty and the falling rate of below-poverty populations around the world.

Giving the least developed populations first is consistent with either of those agendas.
I believe youíre correct. I was wondering if you meant his medicinal agenda- he loves vaccines as well. Thinks we could vaccinate ourselves against anything and everything.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Afrages6 on May 18, 2020, 11:14:52 PM
What do you consider his agenda?

Either way, what these stories do indicate is that weíre probably going to have a vaccine out and distributed in record-shattering time, way ahead of the original 12-18 month window we were told was the fastest possible time. Think 6-9 months from when research began in March.
Research began in January for a lot of these vaccines IINM.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on May 18, 2020, 11:17:52 PM
Research began in January for a lot of these vaccines IINM.

China sequenced the virus at the end of January, I donít think anyone was working on a vaccine of any sort at the time.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Afrages6 on May 18, 2020, 11:22:10 PM
China sequenced the virus at the end of January, I donít think anyone was working on a vaccine of any sort at the time.
Interesting. I know trump said yesterday that at least one was worked on starting on January 12th? Iíll try and find a source. But I guess who knows with what he says
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Lurker on May 18, 2020, 11:23:43 PM
Interesting. I know trump said yesterday that at least one was worked on starting on January 12th? Iíll try and find a source. But I guess who knows with what he says

Don't mind him. It was the hydroxychloroquine talking.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on May 18, 2020, 11:24:43 PM
Interesting. I know trump said yesterday that at least one was worked on starting on January 12th? Iíll try and find a source. But I guess who knows with what he says

Citing Trump is worse than citing Wikipedia, at least with Wikipedia thereís a chance it might be accurate...
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Afrages6 on May 18, 2020, 11:30:07 PM
Citing Trump is worse than citing Wikipedia, at least with Wikipedia thereís a chance it might be accurate...
I know. I just wanted to show it didnít come from nowhere. But this might be worse then nowhere
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yesitsme on May 19, 2020, 12:14:16 AM
Citing Trump is worse than citing Wikipedia, at least with Wikipedia thereís a chance it might be accurate...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYWTnTRWoAAj4wg?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: incendia on May 19, 2020, 06:10:03 AM
If Gates has his way we will start at the least developed country and work our way up

If that's true, what's the problem with it?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: moish on May 19, 2020, 07:25:58 AM
there will be billions of people lining up to get vaccinated

I'm not so sure of that. Many will realize that it was fast tracked with corners likely cut.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on May 19, 2020, 07:32:02 AM
I'm not so sure of that. Many will realize that it was fast tracked with corners likely cut.

Even if itís 2/7 people on the planet lining up, itís still billions of people.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on May 19, 2020, 07:38:27 AM
If that's true, what's the problem with it?
That those less impacted will be prioritized over those more impacted.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on May 19, 2020, 07:44:25 AM
Don't mind him. It was the hydroxychloroquine talking.

It would be super ironic divine retribution if His Arrogance died of a massive heart attack taking this drug.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: incendia on May 19, 2020, 07:47:28 AM
That those less impacted will be prioritized over those more impacted.


What makes you think that people in the developing world are less impacted?

Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on May 19, 2020, 07:48:47 AM

What makes you think that people in the developing world are less impacted?
Numbers?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on May 19, 2020, 07:59:52 AM
China sequenced the virus at the end of January, I donít think anyone was working on a vaccine of any sort at the time.
I would think other coronavirus vaccine efforts count
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yelped on May 19, 2020, 08:01:09 AM
It would be super ironic divine retribution if His Arrogance died of a massive heart attack taking this drug.
Why is he even taking it if he doesn't have the virus? Sounds like he's either lying about taking it or about not having the virus.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on May 19, 2020, 08:04:53 AM
Why is he even taking it if he doesn't have the virus? Sounds like he's either lying about taking it or about not having the virus.
India gave it to all healthcare workers as a preventative measure
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on May 19, 2020, 08:08:32 AM
Why is he even taking it if he doesn't have the virus? Sounds like he's either lying about taking it or about not having the virus.
You are giving way to much credit to him thinking before he talks
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: moish on May 19, 2020, 08:10:58 AM
Why is he even taking it if he doesn't have the virus? Sounds like he's either lying about taking it or about not having the virus.
Unlike what the MSM is spewing forth, there is plenty of anecdotal evidence of it being extremely effective taken early on, possibly even as a prophylactic
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yelped on May 19, 2020, 09:03:27 AM
Unlike what the MSM is spewing forth, there is plenty of anecdotal evidence of it being extremely effective taken early on, possibly even as a prophylactic
Early on, yes, but as a preventative measure?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: zh cohen on May 19, 2020, 09:43:30 AM
Early on, yes, but as a preventative measure?

Quote
pro∑phy∑lac∑tic
/ˌprōfəˈlaktik/

noun
a medicine or course of action used to prevent disease.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yelped on May 19, 2020, 09:46:10 AM

Thank you. I know what that word means, but I didn't see that being true anywhere.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on May 19, 2020, 09:51:01 AM
If anybody thinks Trump or Dr Zelenko are being original, see this article from April 17. ETA: India began using it on March 23


https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30313-3/fulltext


The Indian Council of Medical Research, under the Ministry of Health and Family Welfare, has recommended chemoprophylaxis with hydroxychloroquine (400 mg twice on day 1, then 400 mg once a week thereafter) for asymptomatic health-care workers treating patients with suspected or confirmed COVID-19, and for asymptomatic household contacts of confirmed cases.2 The document states ďits use in prophylaxis is derived from available evidence of benefit as treatment and supported by preclinical dataĒ. Although some in-vitro evidence supports the antiviral activity of hydroxychloroquine and its precursor chloroquine, there is no peer-reviewed publication that evaluates either drug for exposure prophylaxis of SARS-CoV-2 infection. Even for treatment of diagnosed cases, only one small study reported faster nasopharyngeal viral clearance, with no data for clinical improvement.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Lurker on May 19, 2020, 09:51:48 AM
Thank you. I know what that word means, but I didn't see that being true anywhere.

It's commonly used in that way for people travelling to Africa, to prevent malaria. There is zero evidence it works for Covid, but there's little evidence about anything Covid-related right now. Personally, I think he and the country would be better served if he just wore a full body condom.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Lurker on May 19, 2020, 09:53:10 AM
If anybody thinks Trump or Dr Zelenko are being original, see this article from April 17 .

Zelenko's stuff is from before India started pushing it to their healthcare workers.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on May 19, 2020, 10:36:21 AM
Zelenko's stuff is from before India started pushing it to their healthcare workers.
No it's not.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Lurker on May 19, 2020, 10:40:53 AM
No it's not.

You say India began using it on March 23. Zelenko wrote his letter to Trump on March 23, with claims that he had been using it successfully.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on May 19, 2020, 03:09:20 PM
You are giving way to much credit to him thinking
FTFY
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: etech0 on May 19, 2020, 04:24:48 PM
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/featured/1862407/breaking-pm-netanyahu-announces-shuls-can-open-tomorrow-in-israel.html
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Iz on May 20, 2020, 08:41:56 PM
See WSJ article in previous post. What it says re children, I haven't seen anywhere else, and is a game changer, no?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-evidence-on-kids-and-covid-11590017095 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-evidence-on-kids-and-covid-11590017095)
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: etech0 on May 20, 2020, 08:49:57 PM
Can you post the article? Paywall
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Iz on May 20, 2020, 09:01:02 PM
Can you post the article? Paywall
Not at the moment...
Can someone else?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: cmey on May 20, 2020, 11:04:39 PM
Can you post the article? Paywall
The Evidence on Kids and Covid
Rare serious cases bear watching, but overall risk appears to be low.
By  The Editorial Board
May 20, 2020 7:24 pm ET
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Health professionals transported a baby with an oxygen cylinder attached to a stretcher in New York, April 8.
PHOTO: VANESSA CARVALHO/ZUMA PRESS
Horrific stories are emerging of children developing rashes, cardiac abnormalities and other inflammatory symptoms that are linked to the novel coronavirus. Parents and public health officials are understandably worried, but some perspective is in order given the virusís apparent overall low risk to children.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported last week that 15 children under age 15 in the U.S. have died of Covid-19 since February compared to about 200 who died of the flu and pneumonia. Children represent 0.02% of virus fatalities in the U.S., and very few have been hospitalized.

A study in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) Pediatrics last week found that only 48 children between March 14 and April 3 were admitted to 14 pediatric intensive care units in the U.S., and 83% had an underlying condition. The most common was ďa long-term dependence on technological support (including tracheostomy) associated with developmental delay and/or genetic anomalies,Ē the authors note. The fatality rate for children in ICUs was 5% compared to 50% to 62% for adults.


Another new JAMA study examines children treated for cancer at New Yorkís Memorial Sloan Kettering. Twenty of 178 pediatric patients tested positive for coronavirusóan infection rate of 11.2%óbut only one required noncritical hospital care. Thirteen of their 74 adult caregivers also tested positiveóan infection rate of 17.6%. ďTogether, our results do not support the conjecture that children are a reservoir of unrecognized SARS-CoV-2 infection,Ē the authors conclude.

Children also appear at lower risk of infection based on population antibody studies, including a recent one from Spain that found a sharp age gradient. Just 1.1% of infants under age one carried antibodies; 2.2% of those between one and four; 3% between five and nine; 3.9% between 10 and 19; and 4.4% between 20 and 39. Antibodies were most prevalent (about 6%) in Spaniards 60 and older.

Scientists are puzzling over these age disparities. One theory is that children have stronger ďinnateĒ immune response that allows them to quickly clear the virus without developing antibodies. Another is that the virus may not bind as easily to the ACE2 receptors in childrenís nasal passages that are the cellular entry-way for invading the body.

Itís also possible that children have cross-protection from earlier coronavirus-causing common colds. Two new studies find that antibodies and white blood cells that individuals developed to fight recent cold infections also react against the novel coronavirus. La Jolla Institute for Immunology researchers discovered that about half of stored blood samples from 2015 to 2018 carried helper T-cells that react against the novel coronavirus.


Yet unlike with other respiratory viruses, children donít appear to be large spreaders. Australiaís National Centre for Immunisation Research and Surveillance tracked Covid-19 cases at 15 schools from March 1 to April 16. At the outset, 18 individuals were infected. After six weeks only two of their 863 close contacts at the schools had become infected. There were no cases of students passing the virus to teachers. Studies from China show kids were more likely to pick up the virus from their parents than vice versa. While Taiwan has lower case and fatality rates than Western countries, it did not impose widespread school closures.

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Parents and public-health officials are now nervous about reopening schools because some children in virus hot spots are developing fevers, rashes and inflammatory symptoms that resemble Kawasaki Disease, which was discovered in Japan a half century ago and whose cause is unknown though it has been found to follow infections.

The syndrome afflicts 20.8 of 100,000 children in the U.S. under age five (about 4,800) each year. A study in the journal Lancet last week reported 10 children with the inflammatory syndrome in Bergamo, Italyóthe city with the highest rate of fatalities and infectionsóabout 30 times higher than the normal incidence. Most were older and suffered more severe cardiac symptoms than those typically found with Kawasaki. But the authors also estimated that probably no more than 0.1% of children who had been exposed to the virus were affected. All hospitalized patients had been discharged, and the authors recommend treating patients with steroids to calm their immune system.


During these times parents and doctors need to be especially vigilant. But as a society we also need to keep in mind that the risks to children from the coronavirus are small, especially relative to others. The Foundation for Research on Equal Opportunity projects that children under 15 are 6.83 to 20.07 times more likely to die of the flu or pneumonia than coronavirusóassuming 150,000 Covid-19 fatalities in the U.S. this yearóand 128 times more likely to die of an accident.

All of this bears more study, and nobody wants to endanger children. But the risks to children are not enough to justify the continuing destruction of lockdowns.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yuneeq on May 21, 2020, 02:30:58 AM

What makes you think that people in the developing world are less impacted?

Numbers?

Do you truly believe that the virus discriminates against wealthy people? Or perhaps, developed countries are simply better at diagnosing those numbers.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yuneeq on May 21, 2020, 02:36:47 AM
You say India began using it on March 23. Zelenko wrote his letter to Trump on March 23, with claims that he had been using it successfully.

Zelenko started his treatments after reading about the French ďstudyĒ that supposedly proved the amazing benefits of HCL in serious patients. That study has been completely overturned, but the goal posts have shifted since then. Now itís admittedly no good for serious cases, but it became a miracle cure for undiagnosed people that may have mild cases of corona.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on May 21, 2020, 03:06:45 AM
Zelenko started his treatments after reading about the French ďstudyĒ that supposedly proved the amazing benefits of HCL in serious patients. That study has been completely overturned, but the goal posts have shifted since then. Now itís admittedly no good for serious cases, but it became a miracle cure for undiagnosed people that may have mild cases of corona.
+1
There isn't a significant medical persona anywhere in the world that recommends using it.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Lurker on May 21, 2020, 07:23:26 AM
Zelenko started his treatments after reading about the French ďstudyĒ that supposedly proved the amazing benefits of HCL in serious patients. That study has been completely overturned, but the goal posts have shifted since then. Now itís admittedly no good for serious cases, but it became a miracle cure for undiagnosed people that may have mild cases of corona.

The guy didn't invent this, but he was way ahead in terms of using it at the onset of symptoms versus treating the people who were very ill. I'm not sure it was the right move, but TG in retrospect it worked out for him.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Lurker on May 21, 2020, 07:23:59 AM
+1
There isn't a significant medical persona anywhere in the world that recommends using it.

Except for India, which you pointed out earlier.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on May 21, 2020, 08:19:12 AM
Do you truly believe that the virus discriminates against wealthy people? Or perhaps, developed countries are simply better at diagnosing those numbers.
Or the travel between them and their styles of living and working or many other variables
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: etech0 on May 21, 2020, 09:03:14 AM
The Evidence on Kids and Covid
Rare serious cases bear watching, but overall risk appears to be low.
...
TY
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Iz on May 21, 2020, 09:08:06 AM
Can you post the article? Paywall
Thanks @cmey for posting it.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: zh cohen on May 21, 2020, 09:58:33 AM
+1
There isn't a significant medical persona anywhere in the world that recommends using it.

I'm not so sure about this. I heard from a random hospital in upstate NY with no connection to frum people that is using it.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on May 21, 2020, 12:55:39 PM
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/05/20/coronavirus-pandemic-good-news-271988
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: KSMH on May 21, 2020, 03:42:21 PM
Some really good news.

https://nypost.com/2020/05/21/scientists-believe-cannabis-could-help-prevent-treat-coronavirus/
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: etech0 on May 21, 2020, 03:47:42 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/j8UwjO7.png)
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on May 21, 2020, 03:57:27 PM
https://babylonbee.com/news/florida-ruled-to-be-in-violation-of-science-for-not-having-more-people-die?utm_content=buffer4f196&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yelped on May 21, 2020, 04:46:43 PM
Some really good news.

https://nypost.com/2020/05/21/scientists-believe-cannabis-could-help-prevent-treat-coronavirus/
ďWe were totally stunned at first, and then we were really happy,Ē one of the researchers, Olga Kovalchuk, told CTV News.

I couldn't resist. :)
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: KSMH on May 21, 2020, 05:50:33 PM
ďWe were totally stunned at first, and then we were really happy,Ē one of the researchers, Olga Kovalchuk, told CTV News.

I couldn't resist. :)
Maybe Trump will start taking some.

I think the side effects portion he has already. Lol
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Lurker on May 21, 2020, 05:51:50 PM
Maybe Trump will start taking some.

I think the side effects portion he has already. Lol

This country would benefit greatly if Trump started smoking pot.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: KSMH on May 21, 2020, 05:54:45 PM
This country would benefit greatly if Trump started smoking pot.
He might look like Elon Musk, is that a good thing?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on May 21, 2020, 05:56:39 PM
This country would benefit greatly if Trump started smoking pot.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Lurker on May 21, 2020, 05:59:06 PM
He might look like Elon Musk, is that a good thing?

If Elon Musk is tested, marijuana will not be the #1 drug on his tox screen.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on May 21, 2020, 09:41:33 PM
Hamodia
By Shmuel Smith
Wednesday, May 20, 2020
Isaac Ben-Israel, chairman of Israelís Space Agency and a prominent mathematician, told The Times of Israel on Thursday that his prediction about the trajectory of the coronavirus has been confirmed by events.

Ben-Israel said a month ago that the virus will run its course and fade out in 70 days regardless of the stateís response, a statement that was not accepted by health professionals, who continued the regime of quarantines and distancing.

His analysis of the data of the diseaseís spread led him to the conclusion that COVID-19 peaks after about 40 days and drops to almost zero after 70 days, and has derided the ďhysteriaÖas contagious as biological diseases.Ē

On April 19, he wrote that ďit turns out that the peak of the virusís spread has been behind us for about two weeks now, and will probably fade within two more weeks.Ē

On May 2, the number of newly infected people per day dropped to under 100 for the first time since late March, and health officials have taken it as a sign that itís safe to restart the economy.

Still, there are warnings that there could be a resurgence of the coronavirus and a re-imposition of quarantines and shutdowns.

ďItís very amusing that people talk about a second wave. How do they know there will be a second wave? And how do they know that it will come in the winter?Ē

While Ben-Israelís expertise is in mathematics and security matters, and he has no medical background, he asserts that itís irrelevant. The numbers, he says, reveals the pattern of the virusís spread, and that lockdowns are ďunnecessary no matter what,Ē have been a needless disruption to life and a waste of money.

Furthermore, he argues that there is no direct link between the rate of infection and the number of fatalities.

ďThere is a natural assumption that fewer infections means fewer deaths but itís not correct,Ē he said. ďThere is no explainable relationship between the number of people infected and the number of people who die. The ratio between deaths and infections differs sometimes by a factor of 100 or more between different countries.Ē
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on May 21, 2020, 09:50:35 PM



ďThere is a natural assumption that fewer infections means fewer deaths but itís not correct,Ē he said. ďThere is no explainable relationship between the number of people infected and the number of people who die. The ratio between deaths and infections differs sometimes by a factor of 100 or more between different countries.Ē
Are these numbers true?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Zevwolf on May 21, 2020, 10:04:03 PM
https://www.yiddish24.com/interviews/12/19415
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yelped on May 21, 2020, 10:28:18 PM
Hamodia
By Shmuel Smith
Wednesday, May 20, 2020
Isaac Ben-Israel, chairman of Israelís Space Agency and a prominent mathematician, told The Times of Israel on Thursday that his prediction about the trajectory of the coronavirus has been confirmed by events.
I didn't want to quote the whole thing, but it sounds like this guy has a more than healthy amount of hubris.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Barryg on May 21, 2020, 11:44:27 PM
https://www.cleveland.com/coronavirus/2020/05/at-least-1247-ohio-nursing-home-patients-have-died-with-coronavirus-70-of-total-covid-19-deaths-state-reports.html
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on May 22, 2020, 12:13:21 AM
https://www.cleveland.com/coronavirus/2020/05/at-least-1247-ohio-nursing-home-patients-have-died-with-coronavirus-70-of-total-covid-19-deaths-state-reports.html
Why is this good news??
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yuneeq on May 22, 2020, 12:22:14 AM
Or the travel between them and their styles of living and working or many other variables

The Spanish flu traveled the world pretty quickly, I donít think corona has a problem with travel 100 years later. If anything the places with slums should have major outbreaks once you have just a few people infected. Look at test numbers if you want to look at numbers.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Barryg on May 22, 2020, 02:27:46 AM
Why is this good news??
The fact that over 1700 people died in OH from Covid isn't good news, but that number was known before the article. IF "at least 1,247 patients of nursing homes and other long-term care facilities have died with coronavirus" that leaves "at most" 500 Covid deaths in OH - which has over 11 million people. They should do some heavy research in Florida (or just do the opposite of whatever NY was doing) put some focus into stopping the spread in nursing homes.
The original reason I thought this belonged in the good news thread is that we are acting (and will continue to take precautions) as we are living in a Magaifa. If the death rate outside of nursing homes is .005% including assumed Covid deaths then to me it fits in the good news section.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on May 22, 2020, 08:15:12 AM
Why is this good news??
That the vast majority of deaths are from one setting which is mostly controllable?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on May 22, 2020, 10:52:36 AM
The fact that over 1700 people died in OH from Covid isn't good news, but that number was known before the article. IF "at least 1,247 patients of nursing homes and other long-term care facilities have died with coronavirus" that leaves "at most" 500 Covid deaths in OH - which has over 11 million people. They should do some heavy research in Florida (or just do the opposite of whatever NY was doing) put some focus into stopping the spread in nursing homes.
The original reason I thought this belonged in the good news thread is that we are acting (and will continue to take precautions) as we are living in a Magaifa. If the death rate outside of nursing homes is .005% including assumed Covid deaths then to me it fits in the good news section.
Agreed - Also add the numbers in OH from prisons and b"h we are left with very little.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: KSMH on May 23, 2020, 10:30:53 PM
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/study-suggests-majority-population-may-already-have-some-degree
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Lurker on May 23, 2020, 10:43:53 PM
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/study-suggests-majority-population-may-already-have-some-degree (https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/study-suggests-majority-population-may-already-have-some-degree)

This quotes the study @Afrages6 posted here (https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=115800.msg2259008#msg2259008). I have a few questions about that study.


First, if up to 60% of people are immune, and up to 20% of people got it in NY, does that mean half of the possible infections happened within 2 months? What does that say about how contagious this thing actually is versus how contagious we thought it was?


Second, the cell they say they found in up to 60% of people without Covid was found in 100% of Covid patients. How do they know these people didn't already have the cell pre-Covid and still got sick? Without before and after testing, what does the cell's presence prove, if up to 60% of all people have it regardless of Covid infection?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Afrages6 on May 23, 2020, 11:00:25 PM
This quotes the study @Afrages6 posted here (https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=115800.msg2259008#msg2259008). I have a few questions about that study.


First, if up to 60% of people are immune, and up to 20% of people got it in NY, does that mean half of the possible infections happened within 2 months? What does that say about how contagious this thing actually is versus how contagious we thought it was?


Second, the cell they say they found in up to 60% of people without Covid was found in 100% of Covid patients. How do they know these people didn't already have the cell pre-Covid and still got sick? Without before and after testing, what does the cell's presence prove, if up to 60% of all people have it regardless of Covid infection?

I believe that the unexposed blood cells were from pre COVID days. Saw somewhere that blood cells from 2015 were immune because of the T cells.

It does make sense theoretically that it spread the way it did in NYC and 75-80 percent of NYC was exposed to the virus. It was percolating for at least a month before everyone caught on and youíre talking about the most dense area in the world. Subways, restaurants, offices.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: KSMH on May 24, 2020, 02:06:13 PM
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-sunlight-coronavirus-quickly-scientists.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Sun killing Covid-19 article.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: KSMH on May 24, 2020, 03:36:51 PM
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32405162/?fbclid=IwAR3lpo_jjq7MRsoIXgzmjjGREL7lzW22XeRRk0NO_Y7rvVl150e4CbMo0cg

"We report here a case of the asymptomatic patient and present clinical characteristics of 455 contacts, which aims to study the infectivity of asymptomatic carriers."


"Conclusion: In summary, all the 455 contacts were excluded from SARS-CoV-2 infection and we conclude that the infectivity of some asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 carriers might be weak."
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on May 24, 2020, 04:03:00 PM
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32405162/?fbclid=IwAR3lpo_jjq7MRsoIXgzmjjGREL7lzW22XeRRk0NO_Y7rvVl150e4CbMo0cg

"We report here a case of the asymptomatic patient and present clinical characteristics of 455 contacts, which aims to study the infectivity of asymptomatic carriers."


"Conclusion: In summary, all the 455 contacts were excluded from SARS-CoV-2 infection and we conclude that the infectivity of some asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 carriers might be weak."
This is great news and consistent with the super spreader concept that Dan mentioned
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ari3 on May 24, 2020, 04:54:54 PM
This quotes the study @Afrages6 posted here (https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=115800.msg2259008#msg2259008). I have a few questions about that study.


First, if up to 60% of people are immune, and up to 20% of people got it in NY, does that mean half of the possible infections happened within 2 months? What does that say about how contagious this thing actually is versus how contagious we thought it was?


Second, the cell they say they found in up to 60% of people without Covid was found in 100% of Covid patients. How do they know these people didn't already have the cell pre-Covid and still got sick? Without before and after testing, what does the cell's presence prove, if up to 60% of all people have it regardless of Covid infection?
I think the key here is "some degree of immunity" meaning they could still catch the virus but be better equipped to fight it. That may go a long way in explaining why some people get only mild symptoms and some get very severe symtomps
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: points 99 on May 24, 2020, 06:16:43 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.tmz.com/2020/05/24/ace-speedway-crowd-social-distancing-masks/
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Lurker on May 24, 2020, 06:37:30 PM
I think the key here is "some degree of immunity" meaning they could still catch the virus but be better equipped to fight it. That may go a long way in explaining why some people get only mild symptoms and some get very severe symtomps

Unless they had an underlying comorbidity they didn't know about. Or a myriad of other variables.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Ergel on May 25, 2020, 03:41:44 AM
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/280793
.26% death rate

If that's the case, then 28K deaths in NY means nearly 11 million infections!?!? which should mean 50% antibody rates. But that's not what the numbers say?
And 100K deaths in the US means 38 million infections?

And Sweden's 4K deaths should mean 1.5 million infections, so why is there antibody levels in Stockholm only 7%

Something doesn't add up
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Lurker on May 25, 2020, 04:05:35 AM
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/280793
.26% death rate

If that's the case, then 28K deaths in NY means nearly 11 million infections!?!? which should mean 50% antibody rates. But that's not what the numbers say?
And 100K deaths in the US means 38 million infections?

And Sweden's 4K deaths should mean 1.5 million infections, so why is there antibody levels in Stockholm only 7%

Something doesn't add up

This may explain it:
From what I hear, someone who tests positive multiple times will be counted as multiple cases.

Whether it's intentional or not... for another thread
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on May 25, 2020, 10:41:29 AM
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/280793
.26% death rate

If that's the case, then 28K deaths in NY means nearly 11 million infections!?!? which should mean 50% antibody rates. But that's not what the numbers say?
And 100K deaths in the US means 38 million infections?

And Sweden's 4K deaths should mean 1.5 million infections, so why is there antibody levels in Stockholm only 7%

Something doesn't add up
This sounds great. Iíd love to see where the CDC has that information, they donít link to it.

There are some serious discrepancies in their reporting.

First, they are misleadingly comparing COVIDís IFR to fluís CFR. Even at a .26 IFR,  that is estimated to be around 5-10x fluís IFR.

Second, the ď60,000 die of the flu in the US every yearĒ line is obviously blatantly false. The real number of average annual deaths isnít anywhere close. Here (https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/comparing-covid-19-deaths-to-flu-deaths-is-like-comparing-apples-to-oranges/) and here (https://aspe.hhs.gov/cdc-ó-influenza-deaths-request-correction-rfc) are some interesting pieces discussing the obvious phenomenon of us not actually knowing any people who died of the flu when based on the statistics it should be far more prevalent.

Third, that would extrapolate to more than a 100% infection rate in NYC..... Do YOU believe 110% of NYC has been infected????
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on May 25, 2020, 10:44:35 AM
This sounds great. Iíd love to see where the CDC has that information, they donít link to it.

There are some serious discrepancies in their reporting.

First, they are misleadingly comparing COVIDís IFR to fluís CFR. Even at a .26 IFR,  that is estimated to be around 5-10x fluís IFR.

Second, the ď60,000 die of the flu in the US every yearĒ line is obviously blatantly false. The real number of average annual deaths isnít anywhere close. Here (https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/comparing-covid-19-deaths-to-flu-deaths-is-like-comparing-apples-to-oranges/) and here (https://aspe.hhs.gov/cdc-ó-influenza-deaths-request-correction-rfc) are some interesting pieces discussing the obvious phenomenon of us not actually knowing any people who died of the flu when based on the statistics it should be far more prevalent.

Third, that would extrapolate to more than a 100% infection rate in NYC..... Do YOU believe 110% of NYC has been infected????
Numbers are amazing things.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on May 25, 2020, 10:48:51 AM
Here (https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/comparing-covid-19-deaths-to-flu-deaths-is-like-comparing-apples-to-oranges/) and here (https://aspe.hhs.gov/cdc-ó-influenza-deaths-request-correction-rfc) are some interesting pieces discussing the obvious phenomenon of us not actually knowing any people who died of the flu when based on the statistics it should be far more prevalent.

wow
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on May 25, 2020, 11:30:30 AM
wow
+1

And we accuse China of falsifying information
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on May 25, 2020, 01:11:28 PM
Third, that would extrapolate to more than a 100% infection rate in NYC..... Do YOU believe 110% of NYC has been infected????

130% of the Frum people in my community had it, and the Frum communities had it harder than other communities. I estimate at least 180% of NYC residents were infected.

/s
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Ergel on May 25, 2020, 01:33:17 PM
This sounds great. Iíd love to see where the CDC has that information, they donít link to it.

There are some serious discrepancies in their reporting.

First, they are misleadingly comparing COVIDís IFR to fluís CFR. Even at a .26 IFR,  that is estimated to be around 5-10x fluís IFR.

Second, the ď60,000 die of the flu in the US every yearĒ line is obviously blatantly false. The real number of average annual deaths isnít anywhere close. Here (https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/comparing-covid-19-deaths-to-flu-deaths-is-like-comparing-apples-to-oranges/) and here (https://aspe.hhs.gov/cdc-ó-influenza-deaths-request-correction-rfc) are some interesting pieces discussing the obvious phenomenon of us not actually knowing any people who died of the flu when based on the statistics it should be far more prevalent.

Third, that would extrapolate to more than a 100% infection rate in NYC..... Do YOU believe 110% of NYC has been infected????
Love posts where I actually learn something. Thank you. I feel so stupid for believing the 30-60K number
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on May 26, 2020, 05:04:16 PM
A bunch of poeple here have mentioned sewage testing. Well, here is a study and it is looking to be a leading indicator.

Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: KSMH on May 26, 2020, 05:05:01 PM
A bunch of poeple here have mentioned sewage testing. Well, here is a study and it is looking to be a leading indicator.


Want Wasnt Israel doing this?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Lurker on May 26, 2020, 05:11:27 PM
Want Israel doing this?

If this is accurate? Every place should be doing this! Can you imagine what a difference a week's notice can make? Especially when you can narrow it down by specific areas in a city and contact trace from there? This is the most disgusting amazing thing if it works.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on May 26, 2020, 05:13:32 PM
If this is accurate? Every place should be doing this! Can you imagine what a difference a week's notice can make? Especially when you can narrow it down by specific areas in a city and contact trace from there? This is the most disgusting amazing thing if it works.
And can be a major impetus to allow much more flexibility in reopening.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Yehudaa on May 26, 2020, 05:19:15 PM
Want Israel doing this?
Israel figuring out how to test sewage to pinpoint neighborhoods/cities with COVID-19 cases. Excuse the headline.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/down-the-tubes-how-israels-poop-may-prevent-second-coronavirus-wave/
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Lurker on May 26, 2020, 05:20:57 PM
And can be a major impetus to allow much more flexibility in reopening.

100%! A complete game changer if this works. No waiting for symptoms, no waiting for people to bother getting tested, no clogging up medical establishments with paranoid people getting tested just because. And the best part... every 2-3 days, you have a sample from pretty much every single person. And then we can start a thread asking everybody how much it meant to them when they said Asher Yatzar.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yelped on May 26, 2020, 05:21:45 PM

He meant *wasn't*.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Afrages6 on May 26, 2020, 05:22:43 PM
100%! A complete game changer if this works. No waiting for symptoms, no waiting for people to bother getting tested, no clogging up medical establishments with paranoid people getting tested just because. And the best part... every 2-3 days, you have a sample from pretty much every single person. And then we can start a thread asking everybody how much it meant to them when they said Asher Yatzar.
How will this stop any of that?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Yehudaa on May 26, 2020, 05:24:05 PM
He meant *wasn't*.


I understood that, and my answer was "yes, as posted previously"
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on May 26, 2020, 05:24:06 PM
How will this stop any of that?
It seems that it detects within 3 days and before symptoms show
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Lurker on May 26, 2020, 05:32:13 PM
How will this stop any of that?

Given that someone can be asymptomatic for up to 14 days, testing the waste will allow you to do proactive, targeted, individual testing up to 10 days before symptoms. Additionally, there are people who dismiss the symptoms as "something else" or have other reasons for not getting tested, and this would eliminate them not getting tested. And if there is a general sense of containment, there will be fewer people testing themselves unnecessarily.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Afrages6 on May 26, 2020, 05:41:45 PM
So instead of tracing post positives they would be proactive and attack the areas which have the virus coming from them?
Interesting.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on May 26, 2020, 10:09:02 PM

Some really fantastic ideas in the responses
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ckmk47 on May 26, 2020, 10:34:54 PM
Updated information from my medical source.
Maimonides hasn't seen (almost) any new covid admissions in the last week.
It looks like the 'second wave' may not happen!


Added to the new understanding of the virus that much of the transmission occurs face to face, it looks a lot safer for vulnerable individuals to venture outside if they do it carefully. Mask, social distancing.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Dan on May 26, 2020, 10:40:04 PM
It looks like the 'second wave' may not happen!
In 1918 the 1st wave was March/April, 2nd much more deadly wave was September/October, and 3rd wave was March/April 1919.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Afrages6 on May 26, 2020, 11:43:10 PM
In 1918 the 1st wave was March/April, 2nd much more deadly wave was September/October, and 3rd wave was March/April 1919.
Itís unclear if you can compare them yet
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on May 26, 2020, 11:43:57 PM
In 1918 the 1st wave was March/April, 2nd much more deadly wave was September/October, and 3rd wave was March/April 1919.

Please bury your head in the sand and prematurely say ďneverĒ. After all, weíre all immune even though many people in our community who thought they had symptoms have no antibodies.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Lurker on May 26, 2020, 11:45:48 PM
Itís unclear if you can compare them yet

It's unclear that you can't, too. So let's please refrain from making statements that may cause people to abandon proper safety precautions, because we beat Covid and there's no second wave.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Afrages6 on May 26, 2020, 11:52:00 PM
It's unclear that you can't, too. So let's please refrain from making statements that may cause people to abandon proper safety precautions, because we beat Covid and there's no second wave.
Oh I get. ďPeople are gonna die when it comes back in the fallĒ unfounded comment but for some reason youíre okay with it. I reply ďHey thatís not necessarily trueĒ and you take offense?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Afrages6 on May 26, 2020, 11:52:58 PM
It's unclear that you can't, too. So let's please refrain from making statements that may cause people to abandon proper safety precautions, because we beat Covid and there's no second wave.
Comments that cause fear are great. But even a hint of optimism isnít okay for you.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Lurker on May 26, 2020, 11:55:07 PM
Oh I get. ďPeople are gonna die when it comes back in the fallĒ unfounded comment but for some reason youíre okay with it. I reply ďHey thatís not necessarily trueĒ and you take offense?

People have warned to be careful because traditionally there is a second wave to pandemics in the fall, when all coronaviruses and influenza are very common, weakening the immune systems. That is an accurate statement. BP has beat Covid is not.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Lurker on May 26, 2020, 11:56:48 PM
Comments that cause fear are great. But even a hint of optimism isnít okay for you.

That's blatantly false. See my excitement over Yale's study on testing waste. They were made mere hours ago.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Afrages6 on May 27, 2020, 12:00:02 AM
That's blatantly false. See my excitement over Yale's study on testing waste. They were made mere hours ago.
I did see that. I just donít think youíre reply to my comment was at all necessary. There hasnít really been any reason to think that weather has any effect on this virus and therefore I was pointing out that to compare it too the Spanish flu isnít a fair comparison.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Lurker on May 27, 2020, 12:06:20 AM
I did see that. I just donít think youíre reply to my comment was at all necessary. There hasnít really been any reason to think that weather has any effect on this virus and therefore I was pointing out that to compare it too the Spanish flu isnít a fair comparison.

Also false. It's actually a pretty well known concept that the germs are able to live longer in colder weather. It's also been used to explain why meat-packing plants have been hit especially hard, due to the low temperatures.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Afrages6 on May 27, 2020, 12:08:49 AM
Also false. It's actually a pretty well known concept that the germs are able to live longer in colder weather. It's also been used to explain why meat-packing plants have been hit especially hard, due to the low temperatures.
Singapore didnít seem to have been helped by warm weather.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Lurker on May 27, 2020, 12:15:08 AM
Singapore didnít seem to have been helped by warm weather.

Research where Singapore's cases are from. Many are imported, and lately the majority have been from migrant worker dormitories. It doesn't magically disappear in the summer, it just generally spreads slower.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yelped on May 27, 2020, 12:23:07 AM
We haven't seem Chaim the Hamster in a while.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Dan on May 27, 2020, 12:27:46 AM
Itís unclear if you can compare them yet
Hmm, where did I see someone say this before?
Ah yes.
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/news-roundup/covid-19-news-roundup-5-25-20-super-spreaders-second-wave-immunity-passports-el-al-turkey-worldwide-restrictions-roundup-amare-stoudemire/
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Yehuda57 on May 27, 2020, 01:04:44 AM
How will this stop
much more flexibility in reopening.
no clogging up
narrow it down
every 2-3 days
a general sense of containment

ETA, this is a crappy post. I apologize.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on May 27, 2020, 02:52:51 AM
Also false. It's actually a pretty well known concept that the germs are able to live longer in colder weather. It's also been used to explain why meat-packing plants have been hit especially hard, due to the low temperatures.
It's primarily spread via droplets, of which there are less in the summer.

Brazil is proof that warm weather doesn't help enough.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ckmk47 on May 27, 2020, 10:22:45 AM
It's primarily spread via droplets, of which there are less in the summer.

Brazil is proof that warm weather doesn't help enough.
On the contrary.  Brazil, being in the southern hemisphere, is coming into winter now.  And now is when their death toll is increasing.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on May 27, 2020, 10:24:53 AM
On the contrary.  Brazil, being in the southern hemisphere, is coming into winter now.  And now is when their death toll is increasing.
Get your information straight. https://www.accuweather.com/en/br/manaus/42471/weather-forecast/42471
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on May 27, 2020, 10:27:21 AM
There is no real way of knowing the nature of this virus regarding seasonality, but even if there is the possibility of a second wave in the fall/winter, that should not be much of a calculation regarding what we should be doing RIGHT NOW.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Lurker on May 27, 2020, 10:32:07 AM
There is no real way of knowing the nature of this virus regarding seasonality, but even if there is the possibility of a second wave in the fall/winter, that should not be much of a calculation regarding what we should be doing RIGHT NOW.

100%. As an aside, the fear about Covid in the fall has little to do with the virus itself, but with how bodies will fight it off while dealing with weakened immune systems due to the flu and other coronaviruses which are prevalent during the fall and winter seasons.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Ergel on May 27, 2020, 12:13:39 PM
Get your information straight. https://www.accuweather.com/en/br/manaus/42471/weather-forecast/42471
Don't let facts get in the way of things
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on May 27, 2020, 12:24:46 PM
There is no real way of knowing the nature of this virus regarding seasonality, but even if there is the possibility of a second wave in the fall/winter, that should not be much of a calculation regarding what we should be doing RIGHT NOW.
There are a few well documented studies showing lower contagion rates at warmer weather, but only by about 20%.

The impact on current policy is for countries to keep borders closed, since even if the impact now is manageable, it won't be come September.

Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Dan on May 27, 2020, 12:35:17 PM
On the contrary.  Brazil, being in the southern hemisphere, is coming into winter now.  And now is when their death toll is increasing.

Get your information straight. https://www.accuweather.com/en/br/manaus/42471/weather-forecast/42471

Miami also has flu outbreaks during their winter, which is comparable to CLE's summer.
Seasonal doesn't have to mean warm or cold AFAIK.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on May 27, 2020, 02:10:17 PM
Miami also has flu outbreaks during their winter, which is comparable to CLE's summer.
Seasonal doesn't have to mean warm or cold AFAIK.
Probably people bringing it from cold weather regions.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Lurker on May 27, 2020, 02:28:38 PM
Probably people bringing it from cold weather regions.

Even so, it spreads just fine. My community got hit pretty solidly this year.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on May 27, 2020, 02:48:57 PM
https://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2020/05/covid-19-how-is-our-community-really-faring-tzvi-pirutinsky-ph-d.html
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on May 27, 2020, 03:03:07 PM
There are a few well documented studies showing lower contagion rates at warmer weather, but only by about 20%.

The impact on current policy is for countries to keep borders closed, since even if the impact now is manageable, it won't be come September.



How would having a more open border in July hurt us in September?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Yard sale on May 27, 2020, 03:14:55 PM
The ratio of posts in the covid 19 forum to posts in the the other DDF forums peaked several weeks ago, and is now on a continuous downward trend. Now thatís a reliable indicator.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: etech0 on May 27, 2020, 03:20:48 PM
The ratio of posts in the covid 19 forum to posts in the the other DDF forums peaked several weeks ago, and is now on a continuous downward trend. Now thatís a reliable indicator.
Time to reopen the country!
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Dan on May 27, 2020, 03:22:00 PM
The ratio of posts in the covid 19 forum to posts in the the other DDF forums peaked several weeks ago, and is now on a continuous downward trend. Now thatís a reliable indicator.
LOL
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on May 27, 2020, 03:26:32 PM
How would having a more open border in July hurt us in September?
It wouldnít hurt the US. It would hurt countries like Taiwan & Kuwait that eradicated it
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on May 27, 2020, 05:00:46 PM
https://jewishjournal.com/israel/316411/israeli-defense-ministry-gauchers-disease-drugs-can-treat-covid-19/
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on May 28, 2020, 09:53:17 AM
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on May 31, 2020, 11:26:01 AM
https://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-hopes-fears-centre-immunity-015541016.html
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Afrages6 on June 01, 2020, 08:53:17 AM
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20200601005310/en/Gilead-Announces-Results-Phase-3-Trial-Remdesivir

65 percent improvement in moderate patients.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on June 01, 2020, 05:00:20 PM
https://hamodia.com/2020/05/31/new-coronavirus-losing-potency-top-italian-doctor-says/
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on June 01, 2020, 05:02:52 PM
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Proisrael on June 02, 2020, 05:49:50 AM
Stocks.

Are traders just in quarantine with no access to news? How is it possible the market is up year to date? Do traders really not see what is happening? I mean one look at DDF and people should bailing from everything.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 02, 2020, 08:19:21 AM
Stocks.

Are traders just in quarantine with no access to news? How is it possible the market is up year to date? Do traders really not see what is happening? I mean one look at DDF and people should bailing from everything.
Bernie Maidoff stole more than all the looters combined. It's not even a blip on the charts for the US economy of $20,000,000,000,000/year.

Collective wisdom of the market is assuming government is strong enough to quash this when it will want to, as it's done many times in the past.

ETA: Also, oil is up
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Proisrael on June 02, 2020, 08:54:07 AM
Bernie Maidoff stole more than all the looters combined. It's not even a blip on the charts for the US economy of $20,000,000,000,000/year.

Collective wisdom of the market is assuming government is strong enough to quash this when it will want to, as it's done many times in the past.

ETA: Also, oil is up

Obviously a few smashed store fronts wont change anything. But nightly curfews, Corona still keeping businesses shut. How are we back to January valuations?!?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 02, 2020, 08:59:38 AM
Apparently the market thinks nightly curfews will pass.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 03, 2020, 02:34:03 AM
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/06/02/national/science-health/japan-saliva-pcr-virus-test/
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 03, 2020, 04:38:45 PM
Zelenko started his treatments after reading about the French ďstudyĒ that supposedly proved the amazing benefits of HCL in serious patients. That study has been completely overturned, but the goal posts have shifted since then. Now itís admittedly no good for serious cases, but it became a miracle cure for undiagnosed people that may have mild cases of corona.
There should be a thread thread about HCQ but the long awaited proof that HCQ is useless to prevent C19 even when taken before exposure has arrived, in the shape of an 800 patient RCT

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/03/health/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-trump.html

Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on June 03, 2020, 05:33:10 PM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-fast-coronavirus-vaccine-without-cutting-corners-11590954444?mod=opinion_lead_pos8

Can America reopen without a major resurgence of Covid-19? Weíve learned a great deal about controlling the virus. In the summer people will spend time outdoors, which can reduce the risk. Yet a second wave could come in the fall as schools open and businesses try to return to normal. Americans will feel more confidentóor simply tiredóand may take fewer precautions.

Getting the threat behind us will require a vaccine cleared for general use. There are ways to accelerate that process, but it is important not to cut corners, lest the public lose confidence and refuse a vaccine. The urgent public-health need demands speed. But that doesnít mean compromising robust data to prove safety and efficacy.

Almost a dozen vaccine candidates are in early clinical trials, with more on the way. Each of the six major drug makers with vaccine programs is developing a Covid-19 candidate. These efforts are moving at an unprecedented pace, thanks to innovative but often unproven vaccine-making technologies, many of which have never been used to make a licensed vaccine. These include gene-based vaccines that deliver parts of the coronavirus gene to the body.

Once vaccine candidates complete Phase 1 clinical studies, which assess their safety and ability to stimulate an immune response, promising candidates should move quickly to Phase 2, or even larger trials that look at efficacy. A vaccineís ability to generate an immune response doesnít always indicate that it can prevent infectionóand preventing infection and disease are the endpoints that matter.

There are innovative ways to conduct these trials, including whatís known as an adaptive randomized-controlled trial. These trials can be structured to evaluate multiple vaccine candidates against a common control group and can shift enrollment based on which vaccines are most promising. Vaccines would be selected based on their promise in early studies and how quickly their manufacturing can be scaled. With so many patients developing mild or no symptoms, clinical trials will need to be large. But this is the best shot at quickly identifying safe and effective vaccines.


This fall there may be an urge to give a vaccine early to protect certain groups, such as health-care workers and nursing-home residents. There will be pressure to deploy vaccines based on the antibody response, without confirming that they confer immunity. Yet not all antibodies confer equal protection. It also isnít clear what antibody levels are needed to provide immunity, or how long protection lasts.

Moreover, there are practical concerns about safety. One risk is that a vaccine could make a small number of patients more susceptible to Covid. Thereís also a theoretical risk that the coronavirus proteins vaccines use to stimulate immune responseóknown as the spike proteinómay be the trigger for some rare symptoms of Covid illness. These dangers are probably remote, but clinical trials are necessary to detect them.

Itís also time to plan for collecting safety data on the vaccine even after it is made widely available. During the 2009 H1N1 influenza pandemic, the government relied on the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, a national surveillance program managed by the Food and Drug Administration, and the Vaccine Safety Datalink, which is able to monitor electronic health data on millions of patients. FDA is investing in a real-time system for tracking Covid vaccine safety. Such a system, which can track rare side effects, will be essential for faster and broader distribution.

Covid will likely re-emerge in the fall and winter before it can be vanquished. The fastest way to get effective vaccines, and make sure the public is willing to take them, is through a development plan that earns the trust of Americans.

Dr. Borio is a vice president at In-Q-Tel and was director for medical and biodefense preparedness policy at the National Security Council, 2017-19. Dr. Gottlieb is a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute and a board member of Pfizer and Illumina. He was commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, 2017-19.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: zh cohen on June 04, 2020, 07:14:50 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/03/covid-19-surgisphere-who-world-health-organization-hydroxychloroquine
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: 4yourinfo on June 04, 2020, 09:24:25 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/03/covid-19-surgisphere-who-world-health-organization-hydroxychloroquine
Wow! I wonder where their funding comes from? Gilead?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on June 04, 2020, 10:40:13 AM
Wow! I wonder where their funding comes from? Gilead?

Even if Remdesivir is a panacea, which it isnít, it still wonít necessarily enrich Gilead.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on June 04, 2020, 05:43:20 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/03/covid-19-surgisphere-who-world-health-organization-hydroxychloroquine (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/03/covid-19-surgisphere-who-world-health-organization-hydroxychloroquine)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZr9QP0XYAE-WTu?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on June 04, 2020, 07:03:56 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZr9QP0XYAE-WTu?format=jpg&name=small)

This is how academics save face. What they really should say is: ďWe weíre taken by a ride, the data was bogusĒ. Even though the supposedly canít verify it,  I donít believe that. Iím sure that without violating ďclient and confidentiality agreementsĒ they can gather enough accurate data from some sources to prove that whatís there is bogus.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Afrages6 on June 04, 2020, 07:42:28 PM
https://t.co/lrDLHvNjkn

Itís great news that COVID isnít as dangerous as we thought it was. Racism kills far more people apparently.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jellybelly on June 04, 2020, 07:49:45 PM
This is how academics save face. What they really should say is: ďWe weíre taken by a ride, the data was bogusĒ. Even though the supposedly canít verify it,  I donít believe that. Iím sure that without violating ďclient and confidentiality agreementsĒ they can gather enough accurate data from some sources to prove that whatís there is bogus.
I saw somewhere that this is the quickest that they ever retracted a study!
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 04, 2020, 08:14:10 PM
This is how academics save face. What they really should say is: ďWe weíre taken by a ride, the data was bogusĒ. Even though the supposedly canít verify it,  I donít believe that. Iím sure that without violating ďclient and confidentiality agreementsĒ they can gather enough accurate data from some sources to prove that whatís there is bogus.
It's already been proven. Enough Australian hospitals denied the information, ruling out a large enough percentage of all cases in Australia
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on June 05, 2020, 08:50:36 AM
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/05/jobs-report-may-2020.html
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yesitsme on June 07, 2020, 07:58:25 PM
where does this go?

https://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2020/06/video-coronavirus-6-4-part-4-of-4-what-we-need-why-we-cant-have-it-what-we-must-do-and-dangers-dr-rich-roberts.html
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on June 07, 2020, 08:04:07 PM
where does this go?

https://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2020/06/video-coronavirus-6-4-part-4-of-4-what-we-need-why-we-cant-have-it-what-we-must-do-and-dangers-dr-rich-roberts.html
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Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: cmey on June 08, 2020, 11:14:53 PM
The good news: doctors offices are empty in Lakewood. Apparently social distancing does work, at least when it comes to strep, ear infections, conjunctivitis etc. The bad news: doctors are starting to lay off staff.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Euclid on June 08, 2020, 11:19:48 PM
The good news: doctors offices are empty in Lakewood. Apparently social distancing does work, at least when it comes to strep, ear infections, conjunctivitis etc. The bad news: doctors are starting to lay off staff.
Oh is that why certain doctor(s) are strongly advocating reopening schools etc, and to minimize SD (only needed for >60 years old)?


(This is tongue in cheek, mostly.)
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on June 08, 2020, 11:56:22 PM
Dr. Fenster sent out that there were 2 new cases of COVID in Lakewood the last week, down from 5 one week ago. BH.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on June 09, 2020, 12:16:23 AM
Dr. Fenster sent out that there were 2 new cases of COVID in Lakewood the last week, down from 5 one week ago. BH.

You mean down from 5 the week before?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Barryg on June 09, 2020, 12:24:20 AM
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html?fbclid=IwAR2QJX3LSJcrO5AQC2Do0qcBYswSoDA8PfU7Tk0LSrWN6rKhXhOFPqcvjwU
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yitzf on June 09, 2020, 01:54:02 AM
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html?fbclid=IwAR2QJX3LSJcrO5AQC2Do0qcBYswSoDA8PfU7Tk0LSrWN6rKhXhOFPqcvjwU

See here (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-asymptomatic-expla-idUSKBN23A21S), there is a difference between asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic. HWO is saying that it's rare for asymptomatic to spread the virus, but "The incubation period, or the time a person takes to show symptoms after getting infected, is the pre-symptomatic phase, the WHO says. Carriers can infect others during this period."
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on June 09, 2020, 09:32:12 AM
WHO has lost all credibility (IMHO) after it backed China up on claims of no human-to-human transmission...
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: jose34 on June 09, 2020, 09:51:39 AM
Dr. Fenster sent out that there were 2 new cases of COVID in Lakewood the last week, down from 5 one week ago. BH.
In Israel in May the numbers went down but now in June there starting to go back up.... will we see that trend in the US?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 09, 2020, 09:59:25 AM
WHO has lost all credibility (IMHO) after it backed China up on claims of no human-to-human transmission...
WHO said they have no evidence, and they didn't because China didn't forward it.

International organizations are never perfect, but they're better than nothing.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 09, 2020, 10:06:20 AM
In Israel in May the numbers went down but now in June there starting to go back up.... will we see that trend in the US?
Sigh. Texas has a record of new cases & hospitalizations already. It never went away.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: jose34 on June 09, 2020, 10:12:22 AM
Sigh. Texas has a record of new cases & hospitalizations already. It never went away.
It seems all the places that are opening up are having a resurgence of cases and the numbers are going up.
Let's just hope that the places the are slower to open with actually see the numbers of cases stay down....
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on June 09, 2020, 10:26:57 AM
WHO said they have no evidence, and they didn't because China didn't forward it.

International organizations are never perfect, but they're better than nothing.

There was a coverup in China, and even when evidence seemed to point to the contrary, it is my opinion that WHO continued to aid and abet the coverup.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Moshe123 on June 09, 2020, 10:32:09 AM
In Israel in May the numbers went down but now in June there starting to go back up.... will we see that trend in the US?

There is no herd immunity in Israel.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: biobook on June 09, 2020, 10:33:09 AM
WHO has lost all credibility (IMHO) after it backed China up on claims of no human-to-human transmission...

So the work of the 7000 current WHO employees, and WHO's record for the past 72 years, is outweighed by what you see as one error in early 2020?

Would you argue that rabbanim who insisted that shuls should stay open have also lost all credibility?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ckmk47 on June 09, 2020, 10:41:18 AM
The original goal of the shutdown was to 'flatten the curve'.  At this point the hospitals are not too busy and the doctors have learned from experience.  A person getting covid-19 today is in a much better position than those who got it before Pesach.
It's time to open completely and let the vulnerable population decide their own risk tolerance. 
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Ergel on June 09, 2020, 10:51:26 AM
There is no herd immunity in Israel.
And there is herd immunity in...?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: biobook on June 09, 2020, 11:05:09 AM
It's time to open completely and let the vulnerable population decide their own risk tolerance.

@ckmk47 When you say that, what percent of the population do you imagine is "vulnerable"?  5%?  20%?  75%
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 09, 2020, 11:11:58 AM
And there is herd immunity in...?
Maybe a town or two in Northern Italy. Even Trump isn't dumb enough to use that argument
It's time to open completely and let the vulnerable population decide their own risk tolerance. 
Because that strategy worked great for Sweden.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on June 09, 2020, 11:26:02 AM
So the work of the 7000 current WHO employees, and WHO's record for the past 72 years, is outweighed by what you see as one error in early 2020?

Would you argue that rabbanim who insisted that shuls should stay open have also lost all credibility?

If itís a coverup that has resulted in epic global repercussions then even if itís one ďerrorĒ it carries a lot more weight. Wouldnít you agree?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 09, 2020, 11:27:08 AM
If itís a coverup that has resulted in epic global repercussions then even if itís one ďerrorĒ it carries a lot more weight. Wouldnít you agree?
They didn't cover up. They aren't an investigative body. Their charter it collect data from sovereigns and relay it. They did it fine.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on June 09, 2020, 11:28:53 AM
They didn't cover up. They aren't an investigative body. Their charter it collect data from sovereigns and relay it. They did it fine.

Maybe what I read was sensationally framed in narrative that appeared to be a coverup.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Dan on June 09, 2020, 11:32:36 AM
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html?fbclid=IwAR2QJX3LSJcrO5AQC2Do0qcBYswSoDA8PfU7Tk0LSrWN6rKhXhOFPqcvjwU
https://time.com/5848949/covid-19-asymptomatic-spread

Sums up everything about COVID. Nobody knows anything for certain.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on June 09, 2020, 11:51:21 AM
They didn't cover up. They aren't an investigative body. Their charter it collect data from sovereigns and relay it. They did it fine.
They were saying that there was no human to human transmission while everyone on DDF was able to see from @yuneeq how there was.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 09, 2020, 11:52:34 AM
They were saying that there was no human to human transmission while everyone on DDF was able to see from @yuneeq how there was.
They were saying there is no evidence, and they didn't have it. The world only knew from an HK professor that was in Wuhan by chance.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 09, 2020, 11:55:37 AM
https://time.com/5848949/covid-19-asymptomatic-spread

Sums up everything about COVID. Nobody knows anything for certain.
RT slogan is Question More, because a cornerstone of Russian propaganda is spewing enough misinformation, that nobody believes anything anymore. There is plenty of things we do know, it just takes effort in sifting through it, because modern media allows anybody to broadcast whatever they feel like.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on June 09, 2020, 11:58:41 AM
They were saying there is no evidence, and they didn't have it. The world only knew from an HK professor that was in Wuhan by chance.
If they don't have enough sechel to see what everyone already knew then they don't serve much purpose. Were there any consequences from WHO to China for their misinformation or only compliments?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 09, 2020, 12:03:19 PM
If they don't have enough sechel to see what everyone already knew then they don't serve much purpose. Were there any consequences from WHO to China for their misinformation or only compliments?
WHO isn't an investigative or punitive body. It's not in their charter to question China. They are a platform for China to share & communicate with the world.

I agree their communications seem stupid, however I don't think the dynamics of International diplomacy allow for a better organization. Would the US ever allow an international body to investigate or question its internal medical affairs?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: jose34 on June 09, 2020, 12:07:14 PM
Just goes show how little they know.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 09, 2020, 12:09:12 PM
Just goes show how little they know.
That was definitely an absolutely idiotic PR.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: avromie7 on June 09, 2020, 02:32:49 PM
@ckmk47 When you say that, what percent of the population do you imagine is "vulnerable"?  5%?  20%?  75%
I don't think it matters, the fact is the governments are keeping healthy people locked up for no good reason.
Because that strategy worked great for Sweden.
The biggest issue in Sweden and everywhere else was not properly protecting the at risk population.

I wonder if the reason Sweden had so many deaths is because they were infected earlier and didn't have a chance to protect their vulnerable population in time.

I know in the US a nursing home with confirmed positive cases had to wait weeks before being able to test all their residents, that means once it comes in the door it has free reign to spread to the entire home and there was nothing they were able to do about it.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 09, 2020, 02:42:13 PM
So Sweden couldnít do it right, but we can?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: avromie7 on June 09, 2020, 02:48:06 PM
So Sweden couldnít do it right, but we can?
And we did do it right?

I believe the issue in both cases was underestimating how much the virus was spreading undetected.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on June 09, 2020, 02:52:42 PM
You mean down from 5 the week before?
Yes
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html?fbclid=IwAR2QJX3LSJcrO5AQC2Do0qcBYswSoDA8PfU7Tk0LSrWN6rKhXhOFPqcvjwU
There was plenty of evidence of this over the last few weeks and itís reasonable. What they were originally calling ďasymptomaticĒ usually turned out to be ďpresymptomaticĒ. This really only has implications for contact tracing and any guilty feelings you might have harbored if you were indeed asymptomatic ;) (because anybody ďasymptomaticĒ can actually be ďpresymptomaticĒ as far as spreading is concerned)
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on June 09, 2020, 02:59:00 PM
I wonder if the reason Sweden had so many deaths is because they were infected earlier and didn't have a chance to protect their vulnerable population in time.
If that was the reason it sure goes against everything everybody knows (especially considering all evidence points to that they werenít infected before their Nordic neighbors and even Tegnell has openly admitted that knowing what they know now, he wouldnít have used that approach)? See the Sweden vs. Denmark thread.

ETA: Nothing is impossible but assuming that the differential between Sweden and the others was not policy but purely coincidental because they were infected earlier seems mildly ludicrous, to say the least.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: biobook on June 09, 2020, 03:03:52 PM
@ckmk47 When you say that, what percent of the population do you imagine is "vulnerable"?  5%?  20%?  75%
I don't think it matters, the fact is the governments are keeping healthy people locked up for no good reason. 

I think it matters very much.  You've made the commendable statement that we should protect the most vulnerable.

Do you imagine that  95% of us need to protect the 5% who are vulnerable?

Or is it that 5% of us need to protect the other 95% who are vulnerable? 

Or something in between?  We should have a sense of just how big this protection job will be.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 09, 2020, 03:16:01 PM
 Sweden proves its impossible to effectively protect the vulnerable
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on June 09, 2020, 03:16:57 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html?fbclid=IwAR2QJX3LSJcrO5AQC2Do0qcBYswSoDA8PfU7Tk0LSrWN6rKhXhOFPqcvjwU
And the follow up
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/09/who-scrambles-to-clarify-comments-on-asymptomatic-coronavirus-spread-much-is-still-unknown.html
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on June 09, 2020, 03:17:49 PM
Sweden proves its impossible to effectively protect the vulnerable
Proves is a strong word, but they definitely helped highlight the difficulties
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: avromie7 on June 09, 2020, 03:59:25 PM
Sweden proves its impossible to effectively protect the vulnerable
Maybe they were just too slow to act (just like the US) and missed their opportunity.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on June 09, 2020, 04:01:23 PM
Maybe they were just too slow to act (just like the US) and missed their opportunity.
If they acted at the exact same time as their neighbors they shouldnít have missed it. Indeed, thatís when they started enforcing the few restrictions they put in place.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on June 09, 2020, 04:03:04 PM
https://time.com/5848949/covid-19-asymptomatic-spread

Sums up everything about COVID. Nobody knows anything for certain.

Did you read the study they quoted? No hard data other than a bunch of statistics.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: gozalim on June 09, 2020, 04:49:40 PM
YesThere was plenty of evidence of this over the last few weeks and itís reasonable. What they were originally calling ďasymptomaticĒ usually turned out to be ďpresymptomaticĒ. This really only has implications for contact tracing and any guilty feelings you might have harbored if you were indeed asymptomatic ;) (because anybody ďasymptomaticĒ can actually be ďpresymptomaticĒ as far as spreading is concerned)
another important difference between 'asymptomatic' and 'presymptomatic' would be children, and the risk of opening schools/camps.
that age cohort has been almost completely asymptomatic
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on June 09, 2020, 04:51:00 PM
another important difference between 'asymptomatic' and 'presymptomatic' would be children, and the risk of opening schools/camps.
that age cohort has been almost completely asymptomatic
And indeed, there is plenty of evidence that children are not the chief drivers of the the virus that they were first believed to be
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ckmk47 on June 09, 2020, 05:10:58 PM
@ckmk47 When you say that, what percent of the population do you imagine is "vulnerable"?  5%?  20%?  75%
What percentage of the population should stay home  -  without usual social interactions, income, school, etc - for what percentage that are vulnerable? 
What's your cut off point? What percentage do we, as a society have to twist in pretzels to protect?  And at what point do we pass the responsibility to them?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: biobook on June 09, 2020, 06:34:57 PM
What percentage of the population should stay home  -  without usual social interactions, income, school, etc - for what percentage that are vulnerable? 
What's your cut off point? What percentage do we, as a society have to twist in pretzels to protect?  And at what point do we pass the responsibility to them?

That's what I'm asking you!  Earlier, you had said:
The original goal of the shutdown was to 'flatten the curve'.  At this point the hospitals are not too busy and the doctors have learned from experience.  A person getting covid-19 today is in a much better position than those who got it before Pesach.
It's time to open completely and let the vulnerable population decide their own risk tolerance.

When you wrote that, what percent of the population do you think are vulnerable? 
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on June 09, 2020, 07:11:19 PM
And the follow up
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/09/who-scrambles-to-clarify-comments-on-asymptomatic-coronavirus-spread-much-is-still-unknown.html

Studies show that about 16% of the population may be asymptomatic, she said. Some models developed by other scientists suggest as much as 40% of global transmission may be due to asymptomatic individuals, she said, clarifying her comments.

ďSome estimates of around 40% of transmission may be due to asymptomatic, but those are from models, so I didnít include that in my answer yesterday, but wanted to make sure that I covered that here,Ē Kerkhove said.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ckmk47 on June 09, 2020, 07:48:33 PM
What percent of the population do you think are vulnerable?
Without any scientific evidence, I would guess that most NY frum areas have fewer than 20% vulnerable.  In other urban areas that have not been previously hard hit it may be as high as 40%.  In rural areas, the whole quarantine activity should probably be done differently.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ckmk47 on June 09, 2020, 07:50:13 PM
But my point is, why imprison everyone when we can pinpoint who to keep away from the public?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on June 09, 2020, 11:28:54 PM
Without any scientific evidence, I would guess that most NY frum areas have fewer than 20% vulnerable.  In other urban areas that have not been previously hard hit it may be as high as 40%.  In rural areas, the whole quarantine activity should probably be done differently.
I guarantee it is much higher than that.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on June 09, 2020, 11:30:06 PM
But my point is, why imprison everyone when we can pinpoint who to keep away from the public?
Believe it or not the choice is not either imprisoned or doing nothing
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 10, 2020, 01:41:03 AM
But my point is, why imprison everyone when we can pinpoint who to keep away from the public?
Because Sweden, who is far more competent than us, utterly failed at that, and we are unlikely to do better.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ckmk47 on June 10, 2020, 10:08:09 AM
I guarantee it is much higher than that.
Why do you think a  high percentage of the NY Jewish community has a high percentage of covid vulnerable people?
Looking up and down my block, I  counted all young, healthy people, plus those who already had covid vs those older, quarantining people.
I got less than 20% still needing quarantine.
What area do you live in?  Do you have so many more people who are still in a position to catch it for whom it would be dangerous?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ckmk47 on June 10, 2020, 10:08:36 AM
Believe it or not the choice is not either imprisoned or doing nothing
What do you think is the middle ground?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on June 10, 2020, 10:14:04 AM
Why do you think a  high percentage of the NY Jewish community has a high percentage of covid vulnerable people?
Looking up and down my block, I  counted all young, healthy people, plus those who already had covid vs those older, quarantining people.
I got less than 20% still needing quarantine.
What area do you live in?  Do you have so many more people who are still in a position to catch it for whom it would be dangerous?

Do you really think you know everyone's health record? I know a rov of a young shul who randomly called 20 members (shortly after Purim) and 10 of them had what would be considered a higher risk profile for COVID-19. That was the fathers only. Once you start including the entire family it gets higher. Then include those who have family whop rely on them for care and it gets even higher.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ckmk47 on June 10, 2020, 10:20:08 AM
At this point, many of those had covid and are no longer vulnerable.
I counted neighbors; I know if they've been out and about or are still being careful.  For many I know if they've had it.
In your calculations, you also have to count kids in the not vulnerable list; that bring the vulnerable percentage down.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on June 10, 2020, 10:34:03 AM
At this point, many of those had covid and are no longer vulnerable.
I counted neighbors; I know if they've been out and about or are still being careful.  For many I know if they've had it.
In your calculations, you also have to count kids in the not vulnerable list; that bring the vulnerable percentage down.
Do they know that they had it or are they assuming?

You only count children separately if there is no concern of parents catching it from them.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on June 10, 2020, 10:38:22 AM
What do you think is the middle ground?

I think that minyanim should be following the lead of those implementing social distancing in the shul. Masks are probably a good idea. There should not be kiddushim where people are socializing closely. Some schools have made plexiglass partitions which is a help. Weddings should stay small and only immediate family. These types of things. I can't say that I thought through every single prat since I am not making an actual policy anyhow.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ckmk47 on June 10, 2020, 12:49:16 PM
I think that minyanim should be following the lead of those implementing social distancing in the shul. Masks are probably a good idea. There should not be kiddushim where people are socializing closely. Some schools have made plexiglass partitions which is a help. Weddings should stay small and only immediate family. These types of things. I can't say that I thought through every single prat since I am not making an actual policy anyhow.
Outside is safer than inside.
Covid seems to mostly spread face to face in an enclosed space.  So shuls are danger zones.  But schools are for young people but should only be staffed by those with antibodies or those  under 40? 35? who are healthy.  Of course kids with health problems should stay home, too. 
Stores should set up a system (I don't know what) but should be available to those who want to come in.  Those at risk / more cautious would continue to shop by phone/ on line/ with help from neighbors.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ckmk47 on June 10, 2020, 12:57:14 PM
Do they know that they had it or are they assuming?

You only count children separately if there is no concern of parents catching it from them.
I know a few neighbors who were sick, b"H not hospitalized, but not just a 'cough'.
Why don't you count kids as separate people?
The vulnerable people I'm thinking of, by and large, don't have young kids.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on June 10, 2020, 01:21:03 PM
I know a few neighbors who were sick, b"H not hospitalized, but not just a 'cough'.
Why don't you count kids as separate people?
The vulnerable people I'm thinking of, by and large, don't have young kids.
Maybe it was the flu?

That is because the only risk factor you are considering is age. What about all the medical conditions which create added risk.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on June 10, 2020, 01:26:56 PM
I know a few neighbors who were sick, b"H not hospitalized, but not just a 'cough'.
Why don't you count kids as separate people?
The vulnerable people I'm thinking of, by and large, don't have young kids.
Whatever the percentage is, you need to factor the rest of their immediate family in as well.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on June 10, 2020, 01:29:22 PM
Whatever the percentage is, you need to factor the rest of their immediate family in as well.

Exactly. If someone is high risk their staying home does not help much if their son or daughter brings it into the house.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Euclid on June 10, 2020, 03:54:44 PM
Exactly. If someone is high risk their staying home does not help much if their son or daughter brings it into the house.
3.5 months into this and somehow people still don't understand this concept.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on June 10, 2020, 03:59:00 PM
3.5 months into this and somehow people still don't understand this concept.

I am constantly amazed by the intellectual pretzel many are willing to twist to uphold a position they took without thinking it through.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: biobook on June 10, 2020, 10:42:04 PM
Why do you think a  high percentage of the NY Jewish community has a high percentage of covid vulnerable people?
Looking up and down my block, I  counted all young, healthy people, plus those who already had covid vs those older, quarantining people.
I got less than 20% still needing quarantine.
What area do you live in?  Do you have so many more people who are still in a position to catch it for whom it would be dangerous?

@ckmk47 I agree that we'll never know the health of the entire Jewish community, and we have to figure this out by looking at a smaller sample.  You've looked at the sample of your own block, where less than 20% of people are vulnerable.

I heard from someone living in a 55+ area of Lakewood that nobody on her block had covid, so 100% are still vulnerable.

It's likely that neither of these two blocks are representative of the Jewish community in general, but with no other data, we could settle on an average of 50-60% still being vulnerable, either because of their own health condition, or because they live with someone more vulnerable. 

You said yesterday "It's time to open completely and let the vulnerable population decide their own risk tolerance."  So my questions to you are these:

If society opens completely, and 50% of people feel that it's too risky to mingle again in society, can the opened-up society flourish? 

If a restaurant or barber or clothing store re-opens, but only 50% of former customers return, will the business survive?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ckmk47 on June 11, 2020, 01:46:53 AM
I'm assuming they'll have a better chance of flourishing than if they stay closed.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on June 11, 2020, 07:28:38 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/two-missouri-hairstylists-who-had-coronavirus-saw-140-clients-but-no-one-got-infected/ar-BB15kqzS?ocid=spartanntp
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on June 11, 2020, 07:30:34 AM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanvardi/2020/05/20/the-man-betting-1-billion-that-pfizer-can-deliver-a-vaccine-by-this-fall/#6cd42ef8382e
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Jerseysteve on June 11, 2020, 07:31:20 AM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-masks-study/widespread-mask-wearing-could-prevent-covid-19-second-waves-study-idUSKBN23G37V
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: avromie7 on June 11, 2020, 09:58:06 AM
@ckmk47 I agree that we'll never know the health of the entire Jewish community, and we have to figure this out by looking at a smaller sample.  You've looked at the sample of your own block, where less than 20% of people are vulnerable.

I heard from someone living in a 55+ area of Lakewood that nobody on her block had covid, so 100% are still vulnerable.

It's likely that neither of these two blocks are representative of the Jewish community in general, but with no other data, we could settle on an average of 50-60% still being vulnerable, either because of their own health condition, or because they live with someone more vulnerable. 

You said yesterday "It's time to open completely and let the vulnerable population decide their own risk tolerance."  So my questions to you are these:

If society opens completely, and 50% of people feel that it's too risky to mingle again in society, can the opened-up society flourish? 

If a restaurant or barber or clothing store re-opens, but only 50% of former customers return, will the business survive?
Why should the government be making the decision for them?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: biobook on June 11, 2020, 10:36:31 AM
Why should the government be making the decision for them?

I'm interested in you, not the government. 

Would you rush to re-open a business, if you knew that only half of your former customers would show up?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: avromie7 on June 11, 2020, 10:39:54 AM
I'm interested in you, not the government. 

Would you rush to re-open a business, if you knew that only half of your former customers would show up?
Of course, why not? Unless the cost of operation minus fixed costs (rent etc.) is more than the business can make with half the customers why wouldn't they open?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: etech0 on June 11, 2020, 10:44:48 AM
Of course, why not? Unless the cost of operation minus fixed costs (rent etc.) is more than the business can make with half the customers why wouldn't they open?
I guess it's a decision each business can make on their own, assuming the government allows it.

Just like some parents may choose not to send their children to camp, but that doesn't mean we need the government to ban them.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: etech0 on June 11, 2020, 10:49:26 AM
Unless the cost of operation minus fixed costs (rent etc.) is more than the business can make with half the customers
And if that's the case they may be able to make adjustments. Open for fewer hours, by appointment, etc. Give people a chance to figure things out and they can come up with solutions.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: biobook on June 11, 2020, 10:50:32 AM
Of course, why not? Unless the cost of operation minus fixed costs (rent etc.) is more than the business can make with half the customers why wouldn't they open?
Because half the customers will bring in half the revenue, which might not cover the costs. Or might not produce enough profit to justify the continuation of the business.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: etech0 on June 11, 2020, 10:51:57 AM
Because half the customers will bring in half the revenue, which might not cover the costs. Or might not produce enough profit to justify the continuation of the business.
Is that worse than what's happening now?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: biobook on June 11, 2020, 10:54:33 AM
And if that's the case they may be able to make adjustments. Open for fewer hours, by appointment, etc. Give people a chance to figure things out and they can come up with solutions.
Yes, I agree! 

People have to figure things out now, and try to come up with solutions, so that once the government gives the green light, they'll have those plans in place.

I see a lot of calls for "let's open up right now!" but not a lot of thought being given to how that opening up will have to proceed. 
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on June 11, 2020, 10:55:43 AM
Because half the customers will bring in half the revenue, which might not cover the costs. Or might not produce enough profit to justify the continuation of the business.

So who should make that decision?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: etech0 on June 11, 2020, 10:57:39 AM
Yes, I agree! 

People have to figure things out now, and try to come up with solutions, so that once the government gives the green light, they'll have those plans in place.

I see a lot of calls for "let's open up right now!" but not a lot of thought being given to how that opening up will have to proceed.
How do you know the businesses who are asking to reopen don't have a plan yet?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: avromie7 on June 11, 2020, 11:02:09 AM
Because half the customers will bring in half the revenue, which might not cover the costs. Or might not produce enough profit to justify the continuation of the business.
Every business will make this decision for themselves. As @etech0 said, they can reduce hours etc., but that decision should remain up to them.
Yes, I agree! 

People have to figure things out now, and try to come up with solutions, so that once the government gives the green light, they'll have those plans in place.

I see a lot of calls for "let's open up right now!" but not a lot of thought being given to how that opening up will have to proceed. 

I don't think business owners are looking for comments from the peanut gallery on how to open their business back up, they make their own decisions based on their personal situation.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: biobook on June 12, 2020, 12:27:05 AM
Every business will make this decision for themselves. As @etech0 said, they can reduce hours etc., but that decision should remain up to them. I don't think business owners are looking for comments from the peanut gallery on how to open their business back up, they make their own decisions based on their personal situation.
Oh.  I had assumed that posters who were advocating for rapidly re-opening businesses were themselves business owners.  If you're not, then why do you think society should re-open quickly?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on June 12, 2020, 12:29:12 AM
Oh.  I had assumed that posters who were advocating for rapidly re-opening businesses were themselves business owners.  If you're not, then why do you think society should re-open quickly?

Do I have to be a business owner to understand the economic impact of businesses staying closed?

(Not advocating for or against, just suggesting another perspective)
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: biobook on June 12, 2020, 12:33:35 AM
Do I have to be a business owner to understand the economic impact of businesses staying closed?

(Not advocating for or against, just suggesting another perspective)
Right, my previous post was to suggest that discussion of the economic impact of businesses staying closed or re-opening soon needs to take into account the readiness of customers to return to those businesses. 
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ckmk47 on June 12, 2020, 01:08:05 AM
Right, my previous post was to suggest that discussion of the economic impact of businesses staying closed or re-opening soon needs to take into account the readiness of customers to return to those businesses.
The customers are ready!
Maybe not all, but those who already had covid, those at low risk, and those throwing caution to the wind.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on June 12, 2020, 08:21:11 AM
Oh.  I had assumed that posters who were advocating for rapidly re-opening businesses were themselves business owners.  If you're not, then why do you think society should re-open quickly?
More likely either owners or employees or people who otherwise benefit from economic activity.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yeshivabucher on June 12, 2020, 08:53:51 AM
More likely either owners or employees or people who otherwise benefit from economic activity.
which basically includes everyone
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on June 12, 2020, 08:58:03 AM
which basically includes everyone
Oh.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: biobook on June 12, 2020, 09:12:21 AM
The customers are ready!
Maybe not all, but those who already had covid, those at low risk, and those throwing caution to the wind.

That's where I disagree with you.  I think most of the customers are not ready.  Those who've had covid, those at low risk, those throwing caution to the wind are still a minority of the population.  The group of vulnerables, and those who closely associate with them and so consider themselves indirectly vulnerable, are larger than you seem to think. 
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: avromie7 on June 12, 2020, 09:24:22 AM
That's where I disagree with you.  I think most of the customers are not ready.  Those who've had covid, those at low risk, those throwing caution to the wind are still a minority of the population.  The group of vulnerables, and those who closely associate with them and so consider themselves indirectly vulnerable, are larger than you seem to think.
It probably depends where you live. In Lakewood the latter group is the minority and getting smaller every day.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Afrages6 on June 12, 2020, 09:25:37 AM
That's where I disagree with you.  I think most of the customers are not ready.  Those who've had covid, those at low risk, those throwing caution to the wind are still a minority of the population.  The group of vulnerables, and those who closely associate with them and so consider themselves indirectly vulnerable, are larger than you seem to think.
Everyone said that people arenít gonna come back. But that hasnít been true, data from all over the country has indicated that people are ready to go back to normal life. Consumer data has been on a steady rise, as well as restaurant reservations..
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on June 12, 2020, 09:26:04 AM
It probably depends where you live. In Lakewood the latter group is the minority and getting smaller every day.
More than 50% of Lakewood had the virus?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: avromie7 on June 12, 2020, 09:28:02 AM
More than 50% of Lakewood had the virus?
I don't know what percentage had it, but that was only one part of the latter groups, there are also the low risk and those throwing caution in the wind.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on June 12, 2020, 09:28:08 AM
Consumer data has been on a steady rise, as well as restaurant reservations..
When you are at the lowest point in history you can only go up.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: biobook on June 12, 2020, 09:34:21 AM
Everyone said that people arenít gonna come back. But that hasnít been true, data from all over the country has indicated that people are ready to go back to normal life. Consumer data has been on a steady rise, as well as restaurant reservations..

The rise is not fast enough for all.  This is a report from Georgia, on May 21, three weeks after Governor Kemp allowed restaurants to re-open:

"For small business owners who were struggling to pay their bills, expected relief from reopening may have hurt them more.

"When the governor officially opened the state back up, that changed the mindset of the creditors that we owed money to -- the vendor and the landlord --and it shifted from 'weíll work with you' to 'we need our money now,'" said Turner.

He said 90 percent of his customers worked near his restaurant. Without them fully back in the office, his seats remained empty."

https://www.11alive.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/georgia-restaurants-cave-from-pandemic/85-ea77ba37-d9f7-4940-9506-fcd5124b4acf

Yes, some other restaurants did better, and it may be too early to know how widespread this will be.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: aygart on June 12, 2020, 09:43:37 AM
That's where I disagree with you.  I think most of the customers are not ready.  Those who've had covid, those at low risk, those throwing caution to the wind are still a minority of the population.  The group of vulnerables, and those who closely associate with them and so consider themselves indirectly vulnerable, are larger than you seem to think. 
So then those will stay away.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: good sam on June 12, 2020, 10:58:36 AM


and those throwing caution in the wind.
Lol, if you're counting them it's 98.5%.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: avromie7 on June 12, 2020, 11:23:47 AM
Lol, if you're counting them it's 98.5%.
Why wouldn't you include them?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on June 12, 2020, 12:06:49 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/tKmsJxJ/3-EC26852-2-EB9-41-AB-8136-AA5-ED614-F5-A0.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tKmsJxJ)

This is a game changer if accurate. Widespread accurate rapid testing can be even better than a vaccine, especially if there would be an option to administer these at home.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Dan on June 12, 2020, 12:14:46 PM
. Widespread accurate rapid testing can be even better than a vaccine, .
??? ???
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: etech0 on June 12, 2020, 12:19:18 PM
??? ???
Well I guess you don't have to worry about anti-vaxxers then...
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on June 12, 2020, 12:22:04 PM
??? ???
If everyone could get tested rapidly, easily, and constantly it is easier to mandate than a vaccine, less intrusive, and should prevent any large flare ups from occurring by strategic implementation (for example, test required upon entry to any high risk venue like stadiums, weddings, large stores, or a nursing home or the home of anyone higher risk)
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Dan on June 12, 2020, 12:52:50 PM
That's completely backwards.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yesitsme on June 12, 2020, 01:02:04 PM
https://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2020/06/lakewood-resident-develops-cool-product-for-face-masks.html
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Euclid on June 12, 2020, 01:05:30 PM
https://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2020/06/lakewood-resident-develops-cool-product-for-face-masks.html
OMG the comments.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: pomy100 on June 12, 2020, 02:45:17 PM
Good news is airlines which are respecting social distancing are so much fun to fly !!!
Just did Southwest with my wife and was so relaxing with full row and a half flight ...
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Proisrael on June 14, 2020, 07:06:23 AM
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-israeli-stores-bounce-back-strongly-from-lockdown-1001331674

I imagine the same will be in the US. I imagine the economic impact for mid to large stores will be a lot less then forecasted.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: ari3 on June 15, 2020, 12:05:33 AM
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-israeli-stores-bounce-back-strongly-from-lockdown-1001331674

I imagine the same will be in the US. I imagine the economic impact for mid to large stores will be a lot less then forecasted.
There is going to be an initial bump from all the pent up demand. The question is what happens after that. At what level does it level off?

Additionally for many businesses especially weaker ones the damage has already been done. Don't forget the lockdown there was shorter.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Proisrael on June 15, 2020, 01:51:14 AM
There is going to be an initial bump from all the pent up demand. The question is what happens after that. At what level does it level off?

Additionally for many businesses especially weaker ones the damage has already been done. Don't forget the lockdown there was shorter.

Lock-down was shorter but there was no PPP and they gave a paltry 500 sheqel per kid (nothing to parents) so the bump is more substantial.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: zagguru on June 15, 2020, 07:56:02 AM
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/israel-said-talks-buy-moderna-072443088.html
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 15, 2020, 04:03:45 PM
Self-administered lowers nasal swabs are just as accurate as the brain touching ones.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2767065?guestAccessKey=ec6019ad-70cb-4258-a4bb-a6d8e290f944&utm_source=silverchair&utm_campaign=jama_network&utm_content=covid_weekly_highlights&utm_medium=email
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 16, 2020, 08:51:52 AM
Cheap steroid administered to ventilated patients reduced deaths by 1/3

https://www.recoverytrial.net/files/recovery_dexamethasone_statement_160620_final.pdf
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on June 16, 2020, 08:57:04 AM
Self-administered lowers nasal swabs are just as accurate as the brain touching ones.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2767065?guestAccessKey=ec6019ad-70cb-4258-a4bb-a6d8e290f944&utm_source=silverchair&utm_campaign=jama_network&utm_content=covid_weekly_highlights&utm_medium=email
Wasnít this confirmed in April? I donít get why theyíre still picking brains
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on June 16, 2020, 09:06:54 AM
Cheap steroid administered to ventilated patients reduced deaths by 1/3

https://www.recoverytrial.net/files/recovery_dexamethasone_statement_160620_final.pdf
Dexamethasone was given to my daughter together with epinephrine when she went into anaphylactic shock. Iím no doctor, but I do find it fascinating that the most promising candidate to date in treating deadly COVID is a medicine that actually decreases immune response.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on June 16, 2020, 09:15:30 AM
Dexamethasone was given to my daughter together with epinephrine when she went into anaphylactic shock. Iím no doctor, but I do find it fascinating that the most promising candidate to date in treating deadly COVID is a medicine that actually decreases immune response.

COVID has done funny things to some peopleís immune systems. I know someone who was pretty sick with COVID and is now showing test results and symptoms of several auto-immune conditions.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on June 16, 2020, 09:21:58 AM
COVID has done funny things to some peopleís immune systems. I know someone who was pretty sick with COVID and is now showing test results and symptoms of several auto-immune conditions.
File that under potential long-term ramifications of the flu I mean COVID.

Yes I have heard that one of the ways the deaths are caused is the body going into overdrive fighting the infection.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Euclid on June 16, 2020, 09:38:22 AM
Dexamethasone was given to my daughter together with epinephrine when she went into anaphylactic shock. Iím no doctor, but I do find it fascinating that the most promising candidate to date in treating deadly COVID is a medicine that actually decreases immune response.
Oy! Hope she's okay now
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on June 16, 2020, 09:40:27 AM
Oy! Hope she's okay now
Thanks. Sheís good now bĒh but gave us quite a scare last week
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yuneeq on June 16, 2020, 09:47:25 AM
Cheap steroid administered to ventilated patients reduced deaths by 1/3

https://www.recoverytrial.net/files/recovery_dexamethasone_statement_160620_final.pdf

Came here to post. This is huge!
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Dan on June 16, 2020, 09:55:29 AM
Cheap steroid administered to ventilated patients reduced deaths by 1/3

https://www.recoverytrial.net/files/recovery_dexamethasone_statement_160620_final.pdf
Nice. Exactly why we wanted to flatten the curve
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: David61 on June 16, 2020, 10:00:01 AM
https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/16/major-study-finds-common-steroid-reduces-deaths-among-patients-with-severe-covid-19/?utm_source=STAT+Newsletters&utm_campaign=8935903062-breaking_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_8cab1d7961-8935903062-150987229
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on June 16, 2020, 10:08:17 AM
Cheap steroid administered to ventilated patients reduced deaths by 1/3

https://www.recoverytrial.net/files/recovery_dexamethasone_statement_160620_final.pdf
Came here to post. This is huge!
Nice. Exactly why we wanted to flatten the curve
+1

This seems to be the biggest news in the fight against COVID-19 so far. An easily accessible medicine that 1) significantly reduced 2) actual mortality 3) in severe cases 4) in a large controlled study. First time any of those have occurred successfully.

The CBA in how to proceed literally changed overnight.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on June 16, 2020, 11:51:39 AM
CBA?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: etech0 on June 16, 2020, 11:54:54 AM
CBA?
Cost Benefit Analysis?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on June 16, 2020, 04:42:31 PM
Cost Benefit Analysis?
This
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 16, 2020, 05:07:13 PM
Dexamethasone was given to my daughter together with epinephrine when she went into anaphylactic shock. Iím no doctor, but I do find it fascinating that the most promising candidate to date in treating deadly COVID is a medicine that actually decreases immune response.
Perhaps you discovered the next Covid cure?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on June 16, 2020, 06:47:19 PM
Perhaps you discovered the next Covid cure?
Ha, I should fund a study
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: avromie7 on June 16, 2020, 10:00:06 PM
Perhaps you discovered the next Covid cure?
Wasn't the immune response believed to cause the most damage for a while already?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: moish on June 17, 2020, 07:16:43 AM
Wasn't the immune response believed to cause the most damage for a while already?
Yes, the cytokine storm
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on June 17, 2020, 12:56:34 PM
Goodwill and Salvation Army seeing large increases in drop-off donations.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: avromie7 on June 17, 2020, 01:50:28 PM
Goodwill and Salvation Army seeing large increases in drop-off donations.
People cleaning out in their free time?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on June 17, 2020, 02:15:22 PM
People cleaning out in their free time?
Dead peopleís belongings?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: avromie7 on June 17, 2020, 02:16:35 PM
Dead peopleís belongings?
That makes sense.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on June 17, 2020, 03:20:33 PM
Wasn't the immune response believed to cause the most damage for a while already?
Yes, which is probably why dexamethasone was experimented with and probably why it works. I just found this (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/05/200501184320.htm) from May where scientists hypothesized that suppressing the immune system can prevent severe illness based on this.

The irony of this is that all of the Vitamin D and natural immune system proponents might actually be making things worse for themselves..
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 17, 2020, 03:50:19 PM
Dexamethasone has been the standard of care at the large Israeli hospitals, lending to their lower fatality rates

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The irony of this is that all of the Vitamin D and natural immune system proponents might actually be making things worse for themselves..
Interesting thought, but I wonder if Vitamin D makes the immune system more potent, or healthier.

Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: CountValentine on June 17, 2020, 04:49:25 PM
That makes sense.
Ouch! I will go with just cleaning out the house.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: gozalim on June 17, 2020, 04:57:55 PM

Interesting thought, but I wonder if Vitamin D makes the immune system more potent, or healthier.


the argument made (elsewhere on the forums?) was that it makes it better targeted, i.e. not overreacting
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 17, 2020, 05:09:04 PM
the argument made (elsewhere on the forums?) was that it makes it better targeted, i.e. not overreacting
Right, that's what I meant by 'healthier'. Another example of how G-d planted the best cures in nature, which medicine not only fails to replicate, but can't even explain.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yuneeq on June 17, 2020, 06:29:00 PM
the argument made (elsewhere on the forums?) was that it makes it better targeted, i.e. not overreacting

From what I understand based on my complete lack of medical knowledge is that perhaps there are 2 types (or more) of immune responses.
At the time of infection, when the virus is attacking and trying to infiltrate the body, having a strong immune response is a good thing. If you're well rested, taking Vitamin D, and have good immunity - that would help prevent and block the virus from infiltrating and infecting too many cells, and the infection will be mild to nothing.

However, once the virus has already infected someone with lower immunity, many more cells become infected. When the virus stops spreading, it starts fighting the cells it latched onto and causing damage, and that kicks in the 2nd level immune response (this immune response isn't dependent on how much vitamin D you consumed recently). Based on the severity of the infection, the immune response will be similarly powerful. So if this 2nd level immune response is out whack, it will cause many of its own problems.

(I wonder how far off the mark I am and if this reads like complete gibberish, because it very likely is.)
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on June 17, 2020, 10:23:44 PM
From what I understand based on my complete lack of medical knowledge is that perhaps there are 2 types (or more) of immune responses.
At the time of infection, when the virus is attacking and trying to infiltrate the body, having a strong immune response is a good thing. If you're well rested, taking Vitamin D, and have good immunity - that would help prevent and block the virus from infiltrating and infecting too many cells, and the infection will be mild to nothing.

However, once the virus has already infected someone with lower immunity, many more cells become infected. When the virus stops spreading, it starts fighting the cells it latched onto and causing damage, and that kicks in the 2nd level immune response (this immune response isn't dependent on how much vitamin D you consumed recently). Based on the severity of the infection, the immune response will be similarly powerful. So if this 2nd level immune response is out whack, it will cause many of its own problems.

(I wonder how far off the mark I am and if this reads like complete gibberish, because it very likely is.)
A pretty good summary of the article I linked to here
Yes, which is probably why dexamethasone was experimented with and probably why it works. I just found this (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/05/200501184320.htm) from May where scientists hypothesized that suppressing the immune system can prevent severe illness based on this.

The irony of this is that all of the Vitamin D and natural immune system proponents might actually be making things worse for themselves..
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: AsherO on June 18, 2020, 12:16:20 AM
Dexamethasone has been the standard of care at the large Israeli hospitals, lending to their lower fatality rates


Interesting. Thanks for sharing a plausible explanation for the lower fatality rate in Israel. What is תסמונת Ards?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yuneeq on June 18, 2020, 01:00:49 AM
Interesting. Thanks for sharing a plausible explanation for the lower fatality rate in Israel. What is תסמונת Ards?

ARDS (Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome) syndrome, which obviously is a bit redundant.

Here's the first article I pulled up about COVID/ARDS.
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/86046
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: YitzyS on June 18, 2020, 10:48:02 AM
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: moish on June 18, 2020, 05:22:29 PM
The irony of this is that all of the Vitamin D and natural immune system proponents might actually be making things worse for themselves..

That's why I posted in April that vitamin D should be used only as a preventative measure, but not by those who tested positive or have symptoms, lest it stimulate an inflammatory response.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yuneeq on June 19, 2020, 09:59:13 AM
jpost.com/health-science/hadassah-doctors-crack-the-cause-of-fatal-corona-blood-clots-631681

Canít tell if this is good news or typical Israeli optimism.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 19, 2020, 10:39:49 AM
jpost.com/health-science/hadassah-doctors-crack-the-cause-of-fatal-corona-blood-clots-631681

Canít tell if this is good news or typical Israeli optimism.

https://www.israel21c.org/hadassah-researchers-find-source-of-corona-blood-clots/?fbclid=IwAR211rK0GsqMHtPWEOCe95v-tRVsXpZp55z6bSlDp3FbvSgcKgvurtc_HIs

I guess we need to wait for @biobook but my understanding is blood clotting in Covid was well documented, and these guys already associated Alpha-defensin to blood clotting in 2019, and now confirmed it is a factor in Covid related blood clotting as well.

Regardless they are very far from any method to reduce Alpha-defensin, and it is not established that Covid related blood clotting is a significant cause of deaths or other major impacts.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: biobook on June 19, 2020, 02:03:55 PM
Inflammation is one way the immune system fights infections, and it includes production of a clot-like structure that surrounds and walls off an invading bacteria.  Alpha-defensin was known to stimulate this process, and last year the Hadassah researchers found that alpha-defensin can also stimulate clotting of the blood, so it was an interesting connection between the immune system and cardiovascular system.

Blood clotting had been reported as a serious complication of covid (see A mysterious blood-clotting complication is killing coronavirus patients (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/22/coronavirus-blood-clots/)) and the usual anticoagulants werenít dissolving them.  Those anticoagulants were based on the pathway used in normal blood clotting, as would occur if you scrape your knee or bleed when brushing your teeth.  A small clot forms along the inner wall of the blood vessel, sealing it as the body repairs the tear, and then the clot dissolves.
 
The Hadassah researchers are suggesting that the failure of those anticoagulants to work was because they were targeting a different pathway, and that blocking this alpha-defensin pathway might be more effective.

So on the one hand, yes, it does sound like it could be an important new treatment.  On the other hand, yes, itís typical of institutions in Israel Ė and everywhere Ė to publicize things like this to burnish their reputation, even Ė as in this case Ė before the results are in.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Dan on June 19, 2020, 03:01:24 PM
So on the one hand, yes, it does sound like it could be an important new treatment.  On the other hand, yes, itís typical of institutions in Israel Ė and everywhere Ė to publicize things like this to burnish their reputation, even Ė as in this case Ė before the results are in.
I'm always seeing Israeli media write about stuff that's been innovated there and then not seeing a follow up. Is that the reason why?
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yelped on June 19, 2020, 03:08:29 PM
I'm always seeing Israeli media write about stuff that's been innovated there and then not seeing a follow up. Is that the reason why?
They use the media as their personal propaganda machine to raise investment funding. :)

Source: Just an observation.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Mikes@Micro on June 19, 2020, 03:29:11 PM
They use the media as their personal propaganda machine to raise investment funding. :)

Source: Just an observation.
I would concur so guess it peer reviewed....
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: biobook on June 19, 2020, 03:59:22 PM
I'm always seeing Israeli media write about stuff that's been innovated there and then not seeing a follow up. Is that the reason why?
I think so, though my source is the same as yelped's. 
Most research institutions and universities have a PR department to let the world know the great things going on there.   Helps attract new employees to join them, or students to study there.
In the case of innovations/ inventions, they might also hope to attract investors or collaborators.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yaakov35 on June 21, 2020, 04:25:21 PM
https://nypost.com/2020/06/21/coronavirus-is-weakening-could-disappear-on-its-own-italian-doctor/
Imyh
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Dan on June 21, 2020, 04:33:25 PM
https://nypost.com/2020/06/21/coronavirus-is-weakening-could-disappear-on-its-own-italian-doctor/
Imyh
Sounds good, except we know that viruses do better in the winter and worse in the summer.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on June 21, 2020, 04:34:14 PM
https://nypost.com/2020/06/21/coronavirus-is-weakening-could-disappear-on-its-own-italian-doctor/
Imyh
Halevai. This was reported weeks ago. Interesting that he attributed the weakening to social distancing (and therefore lower viral load)
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yaakov35 on June 21, 2020, 04:37:41 PM
Halevai. This was reported weeks ago. Interesting that he attributed the weakening to social distancing (and therefore lower viral load)
I think last time they said its just getting weaker, now they're saying might die out altogether on its own.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yuneeq on June 21, 2020, 06:21:18 PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/20/treatment-breakthrough-means-mysterious-covid-linked-kawasaki/
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Afrages6 on June 21, 2020, 06:31:34 PM
Sounds good, except we know that viruses do better in the winter and worse in the summer.
Lol, you really canít accept good news can you?

The virus doing better in the winter is due to droplets staying in the air longer. Nothing to do with the actual virus itself.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on June 21, 2020, 06:44:09 PM
Lol, you really canít accept good news can you?

The virus doing better in the winter is due to droplets staying in the air longer. Nothing to do with the actual virus itself.
Doesnít the doctor mention that itís likely weakening precisely because viral dose is lessening (due to social distancing)? That can be attributable to summer as well.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Afrages6 on June 21, 2020, 06:46:24 PM
Doesnít the doctor mention that itís likely weakening precisely because viral dose is lessening (due to social distancing)? That can be attributable to summer as well.
But thatís not what he said. If it had anything to do with summer wouldnít he have mentioned it?

If you donít want to believe him then fine, but donít try and twist his words into something he didnít say because it makes you feel better about your already very much rock solid opinions on the matter.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: S209 on June 21, 2020, 06:49:12 PM
But thatís not what he said. If it had anything to do with summer wouldnít he have mentioned it?

If you donít want to believe him then fine, but donít try and twist his words into something he didnít say because it makes you feel better about your already very much rock solid opinions on the matter.
I didnít say I donít believe him and I donít have rock solid opinions on anything. What does that even mean?

You suggested that summer wouldnít have an effect on the strength of the virus, only on its spread. Based on what this very same doctor said that appears to be untrue.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: Afrages6 on June 21, 2020, 06:50:42 PM
I didnít say I donít believe him and I donít have rock solid opinions on anything. What does that even mean?

You suggested that summer wouldnít have an effect on the strength of the virus, only on its spread. Based on what this very same doctor said that appears to be untrue.
Was referring to the person I originally replied too.
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 22, 2020, 11:30:30 AM
A small Chinese study is now claiming some asymptomatic carriers (diagnosed by PCR & monitored in isolation), lost antibodies entirely, suggesting seroprevalence studies are undercounting the total infection rate

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0965-6#Sec9

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40.0% (12/30) of asymptomatic individuals, but only 12.9% (4/31) of symptomatic individuals, became seronegative for IgG

Also interesting that nearly all asymptomatic carriers had lung & other clinical manifestations
Title: Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
Post by: yaakov35 on June 23, 2020, 12:00:47 PM
https://news.yahoo.com/dr-anthony-fauci-says-covd-154423503.html
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