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Title: ElAL repatriation flights
Post by: Proisrael on March 22, 2020, 01:52:20 PM
Flying from Mumbai/Sao Paulo/Delhi/Mumbai and the first Australia flight to Israel from Perth!!!
Title: Re: ElAL repatriation flights
Post by: tavster on March 22, 2020, 02:06:23 PM
Flying from Mumbai/Sao Paulo/Delhi/Mumbai and the first Australia flight to Israel from Perth!!!
And that's after the 4 flights from Peru last week.
Plus Israir's two flights from Italy tomorrow
Title: Re: ElAL repatriation flights
Post by: tavster on March 22, 2020, 05:07:53 PM
Flying from Mumbai/Sao Paulo/Delhi/Mumbai and the first Australia flight to Israel from Perth!!!
Title: Re: ElAL repatriation flights
Post by: Dan on March 22, 2020, 05:21:37 PM

Link to buy?
Title: Re: ElAL repatriation flights
Post by: tavster on March 23, 2020, 07:51:05 AM
Link to buy?
https://www.elal.com/he/DealsAndPackages/Hot-Deals/Pages/Coming-Home-OW.aspx
Title: Re: ElAL repatriation flights
Post by: shimino1 on March 23, 2020, 08:30:17 AM
Holy c*$p those flights are expensive!
$1550 for a one way flight when they have staff they are paying anyway and plane leases they are paying anyway. הכי בבית בעולם my Tuches. That's like your mother charging you for dinner 10 times what it cost her to make it because all the restaurants are closed.
Title: Re: ElAL repatriation flights
Post by: tavster on March 23, 2020, 08:59:02 AM
Holy c*$p those flights are expensive!
$1550 for a one way flight when they have staff they are paying anyway and plane leases they are paying anyway. הכי בבית בעולם my Tuches. That's like your mother charging you for dinner 10 times what it cost her to make it because all the restaurants are closed.
There are variable costs such as fuel etc which you need to take into account. Then you have to fly empty for 15+ hours to go pick up the group.
Plus they are not 'paying the staff anyway'. They have the option to put them on unpaid leave per Israeli law, so there is an opportunity cost here.
Title: Re: ElAL repatriation flights
Post by: avromie7 on March 23, 2020, 11:46:03 AM
Holy c*$p those flights are expensive!
$1550 for a one way flight when they have staff they are paying anyway and plane leases they are paying anyway. הכי בבית בעולם my Tuches. That's like your mother charging you for dinner 10 times what it cost her to make it because all the restaurants are closed.
I'm not sure why you think anyone deserves the service for free because they need to pay the fixed costs anyway.
Title: Re: ElAL repatriation flights
Post by: tavster on March 24, 2020, 12:39:50 PM
Flight from Columbia on Wednesday

https://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/El-Al-to-evacuate-Israeli-backpackers-in-Colombia-622181
Title: Re: ElAL repatriation flights
Post by: shimino1 on March 26, 2020, 05:03:21 PM
I'm not sure why you think anyone deserves the service for free because they need to pay the fixed costs anyway.
Did I say anything about free? Let them charge a normal price with a nice profit instead of abusing peoples misfortune.

There are variable costs such as fuel etc which you need to take into account. Then you have to fly empty for 15+ hours to go pick up the group.
Plus they are not 'paying the staff anyway'. They have the option to put them on unpaid leave per Israeli law, so there is an opportunity cost here.
I doubt they are putting everyone on unpaid leave. The law-level employees for sure but the Pilots? Management?  Basically, the people costing the airline the most money will still be paid. Besides, fuel prices have plummeted so their variable cost is less then usual, not more.

Even if they are flying one way empty, it doesn't make sense to charge 250% the usual fare ($1550 for one way from India as opposed to $600-750 round trip it usually costs) so yes, they are exploiting the situation and they care about Israelis almost less then they care about Charedim.

The most annoying thing about it is that they are making themselves out to be some patriotic heroes rescuing Israelis from all over the world and they are using these claims to squeeze money from the taxpayers so that they can continue to run a mediocre airline with terrible costumer service and pay exorbitant salaries to pilots on our dime.
Title: Re: ElAL repatriation flights
Post by: avromie7 on March 26, 2020, 05:11:05 PM
Did I say anything about free? Let them charge a normal price with a nice profit instead of abusing peoples misfortune.
Pretty much, you want them to eat the fixed costs so they can bring down the price of the flight.
Holy c*$p those flights are expensive!
$1550 for a one way flight when they have staff they are paying anyway and plane leases they are paying anyway. הכי בבית בעולם my Tuches. That's like your mother charging you for dinner 10 times what it cost her to make it because all the restaurants are closed.
Title: Re: ElAL repatriation flights
Post by: shimino1 on March 26, 2020, 07:26:11 PM
Pretty much, you want them to eat the fixed costs so they can bring down the price of the flight.
Not sure how you got that from what I wrote.
My point was that they aren't spending anything extra to operate those flights such as hiring new staff, leasing more planes, paying for new distribution channels, etc'. Rather, they are mostly using resources they already have.

Therefore, the price for those flights should be similar or even lower then what they usually charge unless they are trying to squeeze the last dime out of people who have no other options. Since that is the case, I really don't see why we are using taxpayers' money to bail out such a company instead of using it for the public health system.
Title: Re: ElAL repatriation flights
Post by: tavster on March 30, 2020, 04:27:15 AM
Additional flights from Australia and New Zealand

https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Additional-El-Al-flights-to-evacuate-Israelis-in-Australia-New-Zealand-622907
Title: Re: ElAL repatriation flights
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 30, 2020, 08:28:09 AM
Did I say anything about free? Let them charge a normal price with a nice profit instead of abusing peoples misfortune.
I doubt they are putting everyone on unpaid leave. The law-level employees for sure but the Pilots? Management?  Basically, the people costing the airline the most money will still be paid. Besides, fuel prices have plummeted so their variable cost is less then usual, not more.

Even if they are flying one way empty, it doesn't make sense to charge 250% the usual fare ($1550 for one way from India as opposed to $600-750 round trip it usually costs) so yes, they are exploiting the situation and they care about Israelis almost less then they care about Charedim.

The most annoying thing about it is that they are making themselves out to be some patriotic heroes rescuing Israelis from all over the world and they are using these claims to squeeze money from the taxpayers so that they can continue to run a mediocre airline with terrible costumer service and pay exorbitant salaries to pilots on our dime.
Elal pilots are on unpaid leave already. Wake up and smell the coffee.

30 hours rt flying, assuming $6k/h fuel is already 180k, add to that staff (double crews), landing fees, catering, etc

Remember they likely cannot fill the plane, and there are no business class passengers to help subsidize the economy passengers.

I am skeptical if Elal is making money on this at all.
Title: Re: ElAL repatriation flights
Post by: tavster on March 31, 2020, 12:48:46 PM
LY doing Melbourne-Tel Aviv on April 2nd.
Will be the airline's longest ever flight, 17 hours 40 minutes

On a side note, LY call center will be shut down from tomorrow. Not sure about WhatsApp but I have a feeling it will be closed too
 
הטיסה ממלבורן לתל אביב תצא בתאריך 2/4/2020 יום חמישי בשעה 22:00 (זמן מקומי), זו תהיה הטיסה הארוכה ביותר בתולדות ענף התעופה הישראלי
וצפויה לארוך כ-17 שעות ו-40 דקות.

במידה ויאזלו המקומות בטיסה זו, אנו מבקשים כי ציבור הנוסעים יירשם ברשימת המתנה.

בהתאם למידת הצורך, החברה תפעיל טיסה נוספת.
נוסעים המחזיקים בכרטיסי טיסה של אל על עם חזרה מאוסטרליה או ניו זילנד, רשאים להקדים שובם ארצה באמצעות טיסה זו ללא עלות.
 
הזמנות אצל סוכני הנסיעות, אתר אל על ומוקד אל על בטלפון 03-9771123
. הזמנה באמצעות המוקד הטלפוני תתאפשר עד חצות היום, 31/3/20.

Title: Re: ElAL repatriation flights
Post by: shimino1 on March 31, 2020, 10:16:12 PM
Elal pilots are on unpaid leave already. Wake up and smell the coffee.

30 hours rt flying, assuming $6k/h fuel is already 180k, add to that staff (double crews), landing fees, catering, etc

Remember they likely cannot fill the plane, and there are no business class passengers to help subsidize the economy passengers.

I am skeptical if Elal is making money on this at all.
Hua? It takes 15 hours to get to India?
Oh and BTW, the Israeli government subsidized those flights and they still charged $1500 for a one way ticket.
Title: Re: ElAL repatriation flights
Post by: chff on March 31, 2020, 10:28:39 PM
LY doing Melbourne-Tel Aviv on April 2nd.
Will be the airline's longest ever flight, 17 hours 40 minutes

On a side note, LY call center will be shut down from tomorrow. Not sure about WhatsApp but I have a feeling it will be closed too
 
הטיסה ממלבורן לתל אביב תצא בתאריך 2/4/2020 יום חמישי בשעה 22:00 (זמן מקומי), זו תהיה הטיסה הארוכה ביותר בתולדות ענף התעופה הישראלי
וצפויה לארוך כ-17 שעות ו-40 דקות.

במידה ויאזלו המקומות בטיסה זו, אנו מבקשים כי ציבור הנוסעים יירשם ברשימת המתנה.

בהתאם למידת הצורך, החברה תפעיל טיסה נוספת.
נוסעים המחזיקים בכרטיסי טיסה של אל על עם חזרה מאוסטרליה או ניו זילנד, רשאים להקדים שובם ארצה באמצעות טיסה זו ללא עלות.
 
הזמנות אצל סוכני הנסיעות, אתר אל על ומוקד אל על בטלפון 03-9771123
. הזמנה באמצעות המוקד הטלפוני תתאפשר עד חצות היום, 31/3/20.

Tickets for TLV>MEL can be purchased on Elal.com (using the regular search) or thru a TA

Title: Re: ElAL repatriation flights
Post by: israshot on April 07, 2020, 07:17:13 PM
This Elal flight TLV-MEL was already planned months ago apperently. It might have been cancelled and rescheduled but it fell on the same day. coincidence?
https://onemileatatime.com/el-al-melbourne-australia/