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Title: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: CountValentine on April 26, 2020, 05:26:16 PM
Yes, 2 more.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: joe1234 on April 26, 2020, 05:46:10 PM
if you would have thought 3 more, would you have added an option of 4 more to the poll? just asking...
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: CountValentine on April 26, 2020, 05:50:55 PM
if you would have thought 3 more, would you have added an option of 4 more to the poll? just asking...
Done
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: AsherO on April 26, 2020, 05:54:57 PM
The real question is how many trillions would it cost the federal government to have the economy bounce back as soon as Corona is gone. And the answer is that another 2-3 checks, or even four of the same amounts wouldn’t guarantee it.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: joe1234 on April 26, 2020, 05:56:07 PM
Done
i wasnt advocating for an option for a 4th check. i was just pointing out that the reason why you had an option for a 3rd is to make a perception that a 2nd check is a fine medium...
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: Dan on April 26, 2020, 05:57:18 PM
Doesn't this depend on how long states are shutdown for?
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: menachemd1 on April 26, 2020, 05:59:39 PM
I'm still waiting for the first one :(  but I would appreciate another few rounds
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: Mo2 on April 26, 2020, 06:00:42 PM
Why ALL? I'm not complaining,  but why should people who are not financially affected and are still employed get?
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: yesitsme on April 26, 2020, 06:25:17 PM
if he gives it once more i would say thank you
if he gives it  twice more I would say thank you thank you
3+ I would vote for him again
4+ I would vote for him forever who needs Bernie!
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: CountValentine on April 26, 2020, 09:12:22 PM
i wasnt advocating for an option for a 4th check. i was just pointing out that the reason why you had an option for a 3rd is to make a perception that a 2nd check is a fine medium...
There was no perception on my part.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: CountValentine on April 26, 2020, 09:13:44 PM
if he gives it once more i would say thank you
if he gives it  twice more I would say thank you thank you
3+ I would vote for him again
4+ I would vote for him forever who needs Bernie!
He is not giving you anything but I wouldn't expect you to understand.  :)
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: CountValentine on April 26, 2020, 09:15:56 PM
Doesn't this depend on how long states are shutdown for?
Why? We keep throwing money at businesses like there is no tomorrow.
They are saying what a great success PPP is. How can it not be a success when they are giving away free money.  :)
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: ari3 on April 26, 2020, 09:21:54 PM
Eventually someone is going to have to pay for all this and that someone is us.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: yesitsme on April 26, 2020, 09:23:39 PM
He is not giving you anything but I wouldn't expect you to understand.  :)
the fact that he is giving to me and not to Guatemala, then he is giving it me me, maybe not with his money but who cares, the US is racking up trillions in debt I might as well take a slice in the pie.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: CountValentine on April 26, 2020, 09:25:37 PM
Eventually someone is going to have to pay for all this and that someone is us.
Pay who, ourselves? You got Bernie on steroids without him every being elected.
Everyone was complain this plan or that plan will cost billions. That is a bargain now.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: CountValentine on April 26, 2020, 09:28:54 PM
...the US is racking up trillions in debt I might as well take a slice in the pie.
H*ll yes!!! That is what I am talking about.
Lets get rid of all student debt, Medicare for all, college education for all and a few others.
I said when this guy was elected he would cost American lives and bankrupt this country. I did not know he was going to do it at the same time. 
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: etech0 on April 26, 2020, 09:30:52 PM
If we owe all that money to China maybe they deserve it?  :D
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: S209 on April 26, 2020, 09:33:19 PM
H*ll yes!!! That is what I am talking about.
Lets get rid of all student debt, Medicare for all, college education for all and a few others.
I said when this guy was elected he would cost American lives and bankrupt this country. I did not know he was going to do it at the same time.
Ummm.. both houses voted unanimously in a nonpartisan manner to pass these bills so how is it on Trump?
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: Mordyk on April 26, 2020, 09:35:24 PM
Ummm.. both houses voted unanimously in a nonpartisan manner to pass these bills so how is it on Trump?
because every bad thing is Trump's fault
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: CountValentine on April 26, 2020, 09:35:48 PM
If we owe all that money to China maybe they deserve it?  :D
Tell them the check is in the mail.  :)
By that time Trump will have destroyed USPS also. The only part of USPS that is profitable is package delivery and those are the rates he wants to raise because he hates Amazon.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: CountValentine on April 26, 2020, 09:38:25 PM
Ummm.. both houses voted unanimously in a nonpartisan manner to pass these bills so how is it on Trump?
...because the R's ask Trump how many sheets of TP to use before they go to the bathroom. Never seen such a bunch of wussies in my life.

We expect massive spending from the D's but Trump out did them. 
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: lubaby on April 26, 2020, 10:27:04 PM
Keep it coming :)
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: EliJelly on April 26, 2020, 10:37:36 PM
I said when this guy was elected he would cost American lives and bankrupt this country. I did not know he was going to do it at the same time.
Oh and I was a fool again, I thought you opened a new thread for a different topic.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: CountValentine on April 26, 2020, 10:46:00 PM
Oh and I was a fool again, I thought you opened a new thread for a different topic.
Once again someone else brings Trump into the thread. Why don't you call them out? I wonder why, NOT!!!  :P
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: EliJelly on April 26, 2020, 10:49:14 PM
Once again someone else brings Trump into the thread. Why don't you call them out? I wonder why, NOT!!!  :P
Na, it's another premeditated trap you put out :P
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: CountValentine on April 26, 2020, 10:54:44 PM
Na, it's another premeditated trap you put out :P
That's like saying any question I ask will be answered with a question.  :)
Once you let someone get in your mind you are lost.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: EliJelly on April 26, 2020, 10:59:45 PM
Once you let someone get in your mind you are lost.
Exactly, remove Trump from your mind and regain your brain :)
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: CountValentine on April 26, 2020, 11:00:45 PM
Exactly, remove Trump from your mind and regain your brain :)
You and many here need to look in a mirror.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: EliJelly on April 26, 2020, 11:03:05 PM
You and many here need to look in a mirror.
I did, it wasn't Trump there :),  Now your turn..
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: CountValentine on April 26, 2020, 11:06:52 PM
I did, it wasn't Trump there :),  Now your turn..
You are learning. It shouldn't be Trump.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: EliJelly on April 26, 2020, 11:14:33 PM
You are learning. It shouldn't be Trump.
And your results? The truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: Shmobaum on April 27, 2020, 12:08:29 AM
Where’s all this cash coming from??
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: 12HRS on April 27, 2020, 12:31:10 AM
Where’s all this cash coming from??

USPS pensions
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: Mordyk on April 27, 2020, 07:38:34 AM
I'm actually shocked by poll results.   We need to remember that all this money will come to bite us one day.  Deficit is rising.  This can lower the u.s. credit rating. And someone at some point needs to pay for this.

  Although i enjoyed the first payment, I'm afraid of what the government is doing by giving out all this money
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: Lurker on April 27, 2020, 08:01:43 AM
I'm actually shocked by poll results.   We need to remember that all this money will come to bite us one day.  Deficit is rising.  This can lower the u.s. credit rating. And someone at some point needs to pay for this.

  Although i enjoyed the first payment, I'm afraid of what the government is doing by giving out all this money

This doesn't surprise me at all. The national debt has been cartoonish for years now. At this point, it just feels like we know we're going bankrupt anyway, so we're signing up for as many cards as we can to max em out while we can.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: CountValentine on April 27, 2020, 08:24:35 AM
I'm actually shocked by poll results.   We need to remember that all this money will come to bite us one day.  Deficit is rising.  This can lower the u.s. credit rating. And someone at some point needs to pay for this.

  Although i enjoyed the first payment, I'm afraid of what the government is doing by giving out all this money
This doesn't surprise me at all. The national debt has been cartoonish for years now. At this point, it just feels like we know we're going bankrupt anyway, so we're signing up for as many cards as we can to max em out while we can.
You think? This is a cash giveaway driven mainly by one thing.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: shwarmabob on April 27, 2020, 10:12:16 AM
I wonder if anyone is concerned about price stability? The US gov (Democrat or Republican) is clearly not...
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: CountValentine on April 27, 2020, 10:16:53 AM
I wonder if anyone is concerned about price stability? The US gov (Democrat or Republican) is clearly not...
Of course we are but no one making the decisions are.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: CountValentine on April 28, 2020, 02:20:41 PM
Get your vote in.  :)
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/adviser-says-white-house-is-studying-additional-stimulus-checks/ar-BB13kcko?ocid=spartanntp
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: yesitsme on May 04, 2020, 01:20:53 AM
@CountValentine please speed up the process, can  you do the next 4 this week? thanks
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: CountValentine on May 08, 2020, 05:01:57 PM
That's what I am talking about.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/newslocalpolitics/democratic-senators-propose-dollar2000-monthly-payments-to-most-americans/ar-BB13MxM4
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: Mordyk on May 08, 2020, 05:55:23 PM
That's what I am talking about.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/newslocalpolitics/democratic-senators-propose-dollar2000-monthly-payments-to-most-americans/ar-BB13MxM4
Total ludacris.
Most Americans are making more money on unemployment then if they are employed,  yet they deferred all their payments and aren't paying and debts or rent.  And now give more money? 

How about people work for a living?   You want to get through hard times when people can't work, then give people the equivalent of what they usually make.  But to shove money in peoples faces and they have no obligations is crazy.

P.s. as they were throwing money at us i was there with many wheelbarrows to fill up.  But does not mean i agree with it.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: yesitsme on May 08, 2020, 06:15:03 PM
That's what I am talking about.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/newslocalpolitics/democratic-senators-propose-dollar2000-monthly-payments-to-most-americans/ar-BB13MxM4
@CountValentine could we make a switch for now?
you'l vote trump and i'll take the money?
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: CountValentine on May 08, 2020, 06:15:25 PM
Total ludacris.
Most Americans are making more money on unemployment then if they are employed,  yet they deferred all their payments and aren't paying and debts or rent.  And now give more money? 

How about people work for a living?   You want to get through hard times when people can't work, then give people the equivalent of what they usually make.  But to shove money in peoples faces and they have no obligations is crazy.

P.s. as they were throwing money at us i was there with many wheelbarrows to fill up.  But does not mean i agree with it.
You agree to the trillions given to corporations and rich people?
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: CountValentine on May 08, 2020, 06:16:24 PM
@CountValentine could we make a switch for now?
you'l vote trump and i'll take the money?
No need to switch. Every Kool-Aid drinker will be lining up to take the money.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: yesitsme on May 08, 2020, 06:18:33 PM
No need to switch. Every Kool-Aid drinker will be lining up to take the money.
and Hilary would do what?
and Biden would do what?
and democrats would do what?
money talks to everyone
in different languages
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: CountValentine on May 08, 2020, 06:20:12 PM
money talks to everyone
So we switch from "but officer" to "everyone".
@aygart will be proud of you.  :)
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: yesitsme on May 08, 2020, 06:20:44 PM
So we switch from "but officer" to "everyone".
@aygart will be proud of you.  :)
hey are we discussing crime here?
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: CountValentine on May 08, 2020, 06:23:03 PM
hey are we discussing crime here?
No, that is why you switched.  :P
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: yos9694 on May 08, 2020, 07:18:16 PM
No. Because the last one cost $6,470 per american ($2.2T / 340M people) and ordinary people only received $500- $1,200 per person. That's a lousy deal.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: CountValentine on May 08, 2020, 07:31:39 PM
No. Because the last one cost $6,470 per american ($2.2T / 340M people) and ordinary people only received $500- $1,200 per person. That's a lousy deal.
I am talking about just the check part, not the whole package.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: yesitsme on May 10, 2020, 02:19:13 AM
https://khanna.house.gov/media/press-releases/release-representatives-ro-khanna-and-tim-ryan-introduce-legislation-send

could some one please explain to me where the number three children comes from? is it one more then China or there is something more to it
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: CountValentine on May 10, 2020, 02:25:32 AM
https://khanna.house.gov/media/press-releases/release-representatives-ro-khanna-and-tim-ryan-introduce-legislation-send

could some one please explain to me where the number three children comes from? is it one more then China or there is something more to it
Probably old school. Average was around 2.5 so he rounded up. He should make it 2.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: yesitsme on May 11, 2020, 01:02:28 AM
Quote
they would receive $10,000 per month
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimwang/2020/05/08/2000-per-person-and-2000-per-child-monthly-economic-crisis-support-act-would-send-payments-to-over-90-of-americans/#583602ff3977

what could we do with so much money?
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: lubaby on May 11, 2020, 01:09:21 AM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimwang/2020/05/08/2000-per-person-and-2000-per-child-monthly-economic-crisis-support-act-would-send-payments-to-over-90-of-americans/#583602ff3977

what could we do with so much money?
Put it back into the economy.

Buy a car, renovate your house, pay school tuition ;)
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: yesitsme on May 11, 2020, 01:17:43 AM
Put it back into the economy.

Buy a car, renovate your house, pay school tuition ;)
6 months =60k
I have what to do with it (I owe a little more then that) but I cant understand what Bernie is thinking
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: ah giten on May 11, 2020, 01:24:00 AM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimwang/2020/05/08/2000-per-person-and-2000-per-child-monthly-economic-crisis-support-act-would-send-payments-to-over-90-of-americans/#583602ff3977

what could we do with so much money?
I can use money.
But I don't want this to pass...

Insane.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: CountValentine on May 11, 2020, 10:12:33 AM
SHOW ME THE MONEY!!! (foul language)
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: lubaby on May 11, 2020, 10:59:51 AM
6 months =60k
I have what to do with it (I owe a little more then that)
but I cant understand what Bernie is thinking
If it does pass, you can make some bumper stickers:

“Coronavirus, the best thing that happened to my finances”
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: yos9694 on May 11, 2020, 01:34:35 PM
I am talking about just the check part, not the whole package.

OK sure. In a hypothetical sense I'd agree to a stimulus bill that just had the check for individuals in need.

But in reality you can't separate the two. There isn't a federal bill in existence that just does what it's supposed to. In order to get enough support for x, you have to agree to pay for y,z, and a,b,c too. If the next round gave $5,000 per individual, it would cost at least $20,000 per individual.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: yesitsme on May 31, 2020, 02:00:13 PM
Don't give me TV screens cash please, if all you give is looting in target/auto zone its not fair to the rest of us
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: yesitsme on June 05, 2020, 04:09:46 PM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahhansen/2020/06/05/heres-how-mays-surprising-jobs-report-could-derail-the-next-stimulus-bill/

help me cry
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: yesitsme on June 07, 2020, 05:43:55 PM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2020/06/06/there-definitely-will-be-another-stimulus-package-trump-economic-adviser-says/
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: yesitsme on July 19, 2020, 02:51:38 AM
will settle on this

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zackfriedman/2020/07/17/second-stimulus-checks-kamala-harris/
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: Proisrael on July 19, 2020, 03:35:29 AM
will settle on this

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zackfriedman/2020/07/17/second-stimulus-checks-kamala-harris/

I would vote democrat.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: yesitsme on July 28, 2020, 11:43:51 PM
To little to late
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: yesitsme on August 08, 2020, 11:20:48 PM
I already spent the 2nd stimulus on credit card, I'll let amex figure it out with the white house now and when they should get their payment
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: CountValentine on August 09, 2020, 07:04:32 AM
I already spent the 2nd stimulus on credit card, I'll let amex figure it out with the white house now and when they should get their payment
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=117240.0
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: Kobe Bryant on August 09, 2020, 08:03:20 AM
"Spending like we are in Congress" is about to take on a whole new meaning. This is insanity at it's finest!
If Congress were a private company, bankruptcy court would never let it operate again.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: yesitsme on September 08, 2020, 07:39:35 PM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/korihale/2020/09/08/a-second-stimulus-check-is-coming-can-the-black-community-wait/


could someone explain this to me? what does black have to do with the current or previous bill? was this article written by JOE?
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: Kobe Bryant on September 08, 2020, 08:10:41 PM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/korihale/2020/09/08/a-second-stimulus-check-is-coming-can-the-black-community-wait/


could someone explain this to me? what does black have to do with the current or previous bill? was this article written by JOE?
Aren't you aware that everyone and everything is racist, including but not limited to the weather and COVID-19.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: yelped on September 08, 2020, 09:13:04 PM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/korihale/2020/09/08/a-second-stimulus-check-is-coming-can-the-black-community-wait/


could someone explain this to me? what does black have to do with the current or previous bill? was this article written by JOE?
What a racist article. Basically saying that we should specifically give certain racial groups money. Why should it be defined by race? It should be defined by income need, regardless of race. This BS is getting so exasperating.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: Lurker on September 08, 2020, 09:27:44 PM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/korihale/2020/09/08/a-second-stimulus-check-is-coming-can-the-black-community-wait/


could someone explain this to me? what does black have to do with the current or previous bill? was this article written by JOE?

Look at the author. That entire business is predicated on victim culture. That people profit off of others' perceived victimhood shouldn't be a surprise.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: sguitarist18 on September 08, 2020, 09:33:46 PM
What a racist article. Basically saying that we should specifically give certain racial groups money. Why should it be defined by race? It should be defined by income need, regardless of race. This BS is getting so exasperating.

To me it read like she wrote 2 articles, and then tried to combine them - one article about the economic impact of COVID and the need for economic stimulus, and a 2nd article about how everything is racist.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: yesitsme on December 22, 2020, 08:27:43 PM
No crumbs please
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: yelped on December 22, 2020, 09:13:52 PM
@CountValentine @Lurker Time come back from the hiatus?
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: Kobe Bryant on December 22, 2020, 09:37:32 PM
NO!!!
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: S209 on December 22, 2020, 10:01:46 PM
NO!!!
Don’t like when there are opposing viewpoints?
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: aygart on December 22, 2020, 11:06:17 PM
Don’t like when there are opposing viewpoints?
There are opposing viewpoints without them off that is what you are looking for.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: S209 on December 22, 2020, 11:14:12 PM
There are opposing viewpoints without them off that is what you are looking for.
Just questioning the vehement “NO!”. This forum gets boring quickly without dissent.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: Euclid on December 22, 2020, 11:15:38 PM
Just questioning the vehement “NO!”. This forum gets boring quickly without dissent.
Just questioning the vehement “NO!”. This forum gets boring quickly without dissent.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: David61 on December 22, 2020, 11:46:17 PM
From a financial perspective: The answer would be yes. The US has a better credit rating (lower borrowing rate) than we do as individuals, so they can borrow 10 year debt for 0.95% while we would need to pay at least about 2.25% on a 15 year mortgage, so let them borrow, give me the money, and we'll pay it back with their interest rate over coming decade.

From a practical perspective, those who receive the stimulus will likely pay back little, and those ineligible to receive will pay for most of it. In effect this is a redistribution of wealth, on a modest level, and to stabilize the economy (and the stock market). (and this time its obvious the beneficiaries include many many hard working people including small business owners)

I'm fine with this as a matter of policy, if the economists feel its needed to support the economy, but I sure hope we don't need any more after this most recent one! Perhaps the next one, if needed,  should be conditional up receiving the vaccine.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: EliJelly on December 22, 2020, 11:53:39 PM
Don’t like when there are opposing viewpoints?
The two mentioned have different styles of dissenting. One's is refreshing.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: S209 on December 23, 2020, 12:09:25 AM
The two mentioned have different styles of dissenting. One's is refreshing.
I find both refreshing but not too contrarian honestly
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: Kobe Bryant on December 23, 2020, 05:57:36 AM
Don’t like when there are opposing viewpoints?
If I were responding to a post, I would quote it. I am responding to the OP. Simple as that.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: S209 on December 23, 2020, 07:55:42 AM
If I were responding to a post, I would quote it. I am responding to the OP. Simple as that.
Interesting. Considering you have posted multiple times on this thread in the past and responded immediately after a previous post you can understand how it might have been interpreted, yes? Apologies for misunderstanding.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: AsherO on December 23, 2020, 08:06:28 AM
If I were responding to a post, I would quote it. I am responding to the OP. Simple as that.

I was actually thinking this when pondering what your resounding “NO!” meant.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: Kobe Bryant on December 23, 2020, 08:07:36 AM
Interesting. Considering you have posted multiple times on this thread in the past and responded immediately after a previous post you can understand how it might have been interpreted, yes? Apologies for misunderstanding.
Considering the new developments....
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: yos9694 on December 23, 2020, 11:13:32 AM
From a financial perspective: The answer would be yes. The US has a better credit rating (lower borrowing rate) than we do as individuals, so they can borrow 10 year debt for 0.95% while we would need to pay at least about 2.25% on a 15 year mortgage, so let them borrow, give me the money, and we'll pay it back with their interest rate over coming decade.

From a practical perspective, those who receive the stimulus will likely pay back little, and those ineligible to receive will pay for most of it. In effect this is a redistribution of wealth, on a modest level, and to stabilize the economy (and the stock market). (and this time its obvious the beneficiaries include many many hard working people including small business owners)

I'm fine with this as a matter of policy, if the economists feel its needed to support the economy, but I sure hope we don't need any more after this most recent one! Perhaps the next one, if needed,  should be conditional up receiving the vaccine.

Whoa there. I would completely agree with you but the stimulus check is only around 22% of the freebie money in the bill. Total amount that will go to ordinary people is $200 Billion, and the other $700 Billion will go to the wealthy and special interests. The same thing with the "CARES" act - it was around $600 Billion to people and $1,600 Billion to the wealthy and special interests.

It is a redistribution of wealth - but not from rich to poor. It is redistributing from middle class to upper class (with a small bone for the poor) and that's what's wrong with it. Sickening that they couldn't pass a bill with just the stimulus check for the people who needed it on its own and dealt with the other garbage separately.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: yesitsme on December 24, 2020, 06:53:54 PM
usually we buy a lotto for 2$ dream 1 night till we find out that we lost, the current administration is giving us all free tickets and they are letting us dream for more then one night!!
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: AsherO on December 24, 2020, 07:19:10 PM
usually we buy a lotto for 2$ dream 1 night till we find out that we lost, the current administration is giving us all free tickets and they are letting us dream for more then one night!!

Maybe if the $900 billion was earmarked for me. but it wasn’t, so the lottery makes for a much better dream
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 24, 2020, 07:51:58 PM
From a financial perspective: The answer would be yes. The US has a better credit rating (lower borrowing rate) than we do as individuals, so they can borrow 10 year debt for 0.95% while we would need to pay at least about 2.25% on a 15 year mortgage, so let them borrow, give me the money, and we'll pay it back with their interest rate over coming decade.

From a practical perspective, those who receive the stimulus will likely pay back little, and those ineligible to receive will pay for most of it. In effect this is a redistribution of wealth, on a modest level, and to stabilize the economy (and the stock market). (and this time its obvious the beneficiaries include many many hard working people including small business owners)

I'm fine with this as a matter of policy, if the economists feel its needed to support the economy, but I sure hope we don't need any more after this most recent one! Perhaps the next one, if needed,  should be conditional up receiving the vaccine.
This argument falls apart if you're a taxpayer. Half the country doesn't pay any taxes, so the gov't is giving you $600 but taking back more to give the $600 to those who aren't paying it back. If you aren't paying taxes, the $600 isn't a loan it's a gift.

That being said, I do support government spending now. I'm not sure blanket stimulus check are the best way to go about it, but when there is zero inflation and thus zero interest (and talk of negative interest rates) the government should increase the monetary supply as much as it can. Any measured response that is properly deliberated won't destabilize the currency, especially when there aren't any safer currencies around. Now is the time to spend spend spend. Maybe green energy and infrastructure will do us better than giving people checks, but never expect too much competence from the government. It's not like they managed to improve testing, stocked vaccines prior to approval, or bought the IP to produce vaccines quicker now.

Frankly, for 20% of this bill they could've bought the entire Pfizer outright and published the vaccine recipe for everybody to produce.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: zh cohen on December 24, 2020, 10:50:48 PM

Frankly, for 20% of this bill they could've bought the entire Pfizer outright and published the vaccine recipe for everybody to produce.

Is there lots of (safe) vaccine production capacity that is not being used now? If yes, wouldn't Pfizer (or Moderna) be paying those companies to produce for them?
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 24, 2020, 11:21:25 PM
Is there lots of (safe) vaccine production capacity that is not being used now? If yes, wouldn't Pfizer (or Moderna) be paying those companies to produce for them?
Moderna subcontracted a Swiss production line. I can't believe there aren't others. It's not like Pfizer had anything unique for mRNA production a year ago.

It's a good question why self-interest isn't driving more partnerships, my guess would be the numbers involved are simply too small for Pfizer/Moderna to damage their reputation by outsourcing to competitors like Roche, and potentially losing their IP along the way. Even if it was a perfect win-win deal, it's not easy to actually put together a deal. Peace with Israel is a win-win but took 70 years to accomplish.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: yesitsme on December 27, 2020, 01:50:37 AM
$2000 + $2000 plus other family members. Not $600. Remember, it was China’s fault!
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: Kobe Bryant on December 27, 2020, 06:57:43 AM
$2000 + $2000 plus other family members. Not $600. Remember, it was China’s fault!
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Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: yesitsme on December 31, 2020, 10:06:59 PM
Black Lives Matter calls for 'monthly' stimulus checks for families crushed
by pandemic
Fox News
7 hours ago

What a pity you can't loot direct deposits
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: lubaby on December 31, 2020, 10:42:01 PM
Black Lives Matter calls for 'monthly' stimulus checks for families crushed
by pandemic
Fox News
7 hours ago

What a pity you can't loot direct deposits
With the way police keep ‘making the news’, you can however make monthly “peaceful protests” and get your stimulus value that way.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: avromie7 on January 01, 2021, 10:13:19 AM
Black Lives Matter calls for 'monthly' stimulus checks for families crushed
by pandemic
Fox News
7 hours ago

What a pity you can't loot direct deposits
Isn't that what unemployment is for?
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: yesitsme on January 02, 2021, 06:34:39 PM
Black Lives Matter calls for 'monthly' stimulus checks for families crushed
by pandemic
Fox News
7 hours ago

What a pity you can't loot direct deposits
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: Kobe Bryant on January 10, 2021, 08:59:53 PM
Let’s just print money...

(https://i.postimg.cc/s2SLs2hk/F785342-B-61-F0-40-AF-A869-65-DFEA10-A876.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: yesitsme on January 10, 2021, 10:40:41 PM
Anything less then monthly 2k per breathing soul I would be disappointed,
we lost everything we might as well get something for it
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: yos9694 on January 11, 2021, 11:44:45 AM
Let’s just print money...


Such arbitrary numbers. Next tweet could say $2000 is not enough when you have to choose between paying this month's rent or catching up on last month's. We need $4000 checks.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: TimT on January 11, 2021, 12:02:06 PM
The dead should only receive $600. They don’t have to choose between the 2. There’s only rent.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: yesitsme on January 21, 2021, 12:20:18 AM
please add an option Monthly, thanks
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: Kobe Bryant on January 21, 2021, 07:19:56 AM
please add an option Monthly, thanks
Harris/Biden should just appoint Yang as the Stimulus Czar.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: yos9694 on January 21, 2021, 12:12:52 PM
US National Debt to GDP ratio is 130%. Currently $27.8T in National debt and $21.3T GDP (not counting another $3.3T in debt at the state and local levels, which puts the total debt to GDP ratio closer to 150%). At some point this breaks. There needs to be a bit more thinking about costs vs. benefits before signing any more multi-trillion dollar debt inducing bills (including tax cuts and stimulus). So far I will argue that the stimulus bills of 2020 cost more than the benefits they created because they were mostly pork, and we can't afford more.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: AsherO on January 21, 2021, 12:21:25 PM
US National Debt to GDP ratio is 130%. Currently $27.8T in National debt and $21.3T GDP (not counting another $3.3T in debt at the state and local levels, which puts the total debt to GDP ratio closer to 150%). At some point this breaks. There needs to be a bit more thinking about costs vs. benefits before signing any more multi-trillion dollar debt inducing bills (including tax cuts and stimulus). So far I will argue that the stimulus bills of 2020 cost more than the benefits they created because they were mostly pork, and we can't afford more.

Hopefully Ds controlling the government means less interests to appease and thus less pork. OTOH they’re gonna spend much much than before, so it’s not an improvement.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: yos9694 on January 21, 2021, 12:51:54 PM
Hopefully Ds controlling the government means less interests to appease and thus less pork. OTOH they’re gonna spend much much than before, so it’s not an improvement.

So basically you're saying we're doomed no matter what.

Time for the Libertarians to get a turn
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: AsherO on January 21, 2021, 12:55:24 PM
So basically you're saying we're doomed no matter what.

Time for the Libertarians to get a turn

Thats not what I said, though it's certainly a possibility. Inertia tells me that something has to change or the national debt will keep rising (and growing as a percentage of GDP) unless something changes.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: yos9694 on January 21, 2021, 12:59:42 PM
Thats not what I said, though it's certainly a possibility. Inertia tells me that something has to change or the national debt will keep rising (and growing as a percentage of GDP) unless something changes.

If the Dems are making it worse and the Repubs are making it worse then I'll be the one to say we're doomed unless we can bring in some new thinking.

National debt right now is in the same phase as pre-2008 housing market. Macro economists can see that we will have no choice but to use inflation or default to get out of this mess, but the majority of people haven't yet recognized the severity.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: Joe4007 on January 21, 2021, 01:38:09 PM
Let's be realistic. The debt issue isn't going to be reined in.

The real question is how quickly we're going to add to it and allow it to break. 
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: yos9694 on January 21, 2021, 02:19:40 PM
Let's be realistic. The debt issue isn't going to be reined in.

The real question is how quickly we're going to add to it and allow it to break.

100% on the same page. The only question for me is on a personal level how to best avoid personal negative impact. But I'll still oppose reckless spending such as bottomless stimulus bills even though I know my voice won't stop them from passing.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: dovy2 on January 21, 2021, 02:57:09 PM
Main reasons I hear for no stimulus is because no one is spending it on goods... So why not send out amazon gift cards? :) ;)
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: avromie7 on January 21, 2021, 03:05:40 PM
Main reasons I hear for no stimulus is because no one is spending it on goods... So why not send out amazon gift cards? :) ;)
The federal government should be subsidizing Amazon? I think there was a better solution floated, to have the money on a debit card that expires at the end of the week or month. In reality, because money is fungible, savers will just use the stimulus money and save their other sources of income.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: yungermanchik on January 21, 2021, 03:11:35 PM
The federal government should be subsidizing Amazon? I think there was a better solution floated, to have the money on a debit card that expires at the end of the week or month. In reality, because money is fungible, savers will just use the stimulus money and save their other sources of income.
An even better idea:
A debit card that can only be used at (local) small businesses, kinda like the chesed-dollar concept.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: Joe4007 on January 21, 2021, 05:50:18 PM
100% on the same page. The only question for me is on a personal level how to best avoid personal negative impact. But I'll still oppose reckless spending such as bottomless stimulus bills even though I know my voice won't stop them from passing.
Methinks that as long as you're aware of where we're heading you can use the stimulus, etc. to your advantage (i.e. invest based on the outcome of unsustainable government debt).
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: yos9694 on January 21, 2021, 07:16:33 PM
Methinks that as long as you're aware of where we're heading you can use the stimulus, etc. to your advantage (i.e. invest based on the outcome of unsustainable government debt)

Timing is the challenge.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: AsherO on January 21, 2021, 07:28:14 PM
Methinks that as long as you're aware of where we're heading you can use the stimulus, etc. to your advantage (i.e. invest based on the outcome of unsustainable government debt).

Unfortunately if (when?) America goes bust there will be bigger problems than individual people’s assets.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: yos9694 on January 22, 2021, 12:22:44 PM
Unfortunately if (when?) America goes bust there will be bigger problems than individual people’s assets.

For sure. And as we know from history, when a country has severe economic trouble those bigger problems mean that having individual assets on hand can be a matter of pikuach nefesh. Hamayvin yavin
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: yesitsme on January 26, 2021, 07:56:29 PM
Let’s just print money...

(https://i.postimg.cc/s2SLs2hk/F785342-B-61-F0-40-AF-A869-65-DFEA10-A876.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

.  immediately.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: yesitsme on March 30, 2021, 01:56:54 AM
https://www.newsweek.com/fourth-stimulus-check-over-60-lawmakers-now-support-further-direct-payments-americans-1579286
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: AsherO on March 30, 2021, 09:56:06 AM
https://www.newsweek.com/fourth-stimulus-check-over-60-lawmakers-now-support-further-direct-payments-americans-1579286

60-something lawmakers isn’t much, basically all the socialists...

This’ll be the biggest incentive not to vaccinate, keep the pandemic going so the checks keep coming :(
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on April 04, 2021, 04:57:53 PM
60-something lawmakers isn’t much, basically all the socialists...
Yup, I think most of them support universal basic income permanently, not only during pandemics. Biden will prefer spending on infrastructure, healthcare, debt cancellation, and other programs with a longer living legacy for himself.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: AsherO on April 04, 2021, 09:31:38 PM
Yup, I think most of them support universal basic income permanently, not only during pandemics. Biden will prefer spending on infrastructure, healthcare, debt cancellation, and other programs with a longer living legacy for himself.

Whatever the case is more and more of this kinda spending ensures no long term legacy for our great republic.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: yos9694 on April 05, 2021, 11:53:12 AM
Whatever the case is more and more of this kinda spending ensures no long term legacy for our great republic.

The 3 branches of government are dominated by people in their 70's or older... I ask you, what is long term to them
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on April 05, 2021, 12:46:56 PM
Whatever the case is more and more of this kinda spending ensures no long term legacy for our great republic.
That's a disputed opinion. So far the market reaction speaks for itself and there is no evidence of harm.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: AsherO on April 05, 2021, 03:12:31 PM
The 3 branches of government are dominated by people in their 70's or older... I ask you, what is long term to them

Ideally you’d expect leaders to be visionaries who look way beyond their own life spans.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: AsherO on April 05, 2021, 03:13:06 PM
That's a disputed opinion. So far the market reaction speaks for itself and there is no evidence of harm.

Or, a bigger bubble means a more catastrophic implosion and lower likelihood of recovery.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: Jellybelly on April 05, 2021, 03:16:43 PM
Ideally you’d expect leaders to be visionaries who look way beyond their own life spans.
Not if the world is ending in 7 years due to global warming
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: yos9694 on April 05, 2021, 07:13:42 PM
Ideally you’d expect leaders to be visionaries who look way beyond their own life spans.

Thanks for the belly laugh... ideally yes... but we can just dream
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: Kobe Bryant on April 05, 2021, 08:14:20 PM
To answer the OP. Everyone in the US regardless of legal status should receive a monthly stimulus check for $2000 for eternity.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: yesitsme on April 05, 2021, 08:33:56 PM
To answer the OP. Everyone in the US regardless of legal status should receive a monthly stimulus check for $2000 for eternity.
Plus interest, its takes a few days to clear unless they'll send it out on the 25th
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: Joe4007 on April 08, 2021, 05:01:40 PM
To answer the OP. Everyone in the US regardless of legal status should receive a monthly stimulus check for $2000 for eternity.
I hope you meant $2,000 in current dollars to be adjusted for inflation.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: yesitsme on April 22, 2021, 02:01:07 AM
Biden is still President? I didn't see any activity in my account recently, last deposit was trumps promised 2k

many Americans still suffering amid the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic, the third stimulus isn’t enough.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: CountValentine on April 26, 2021, 03:17:46 AM
Should we have a new poll? When will the next stimulus check be?
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: yesitsme on April 26, 2021, 06:56:19 AM
Should we have a new poll? When will the next stimulus check be?
If you can't do much with the money who needs id
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: Kobe Bryant on April 26, 2021, 07:08:38 AM
Should we have a new poll? When will the next stimulus check be?
On the first of every month. It’s going to work with an honor system, everyone fills in the blank check with whatever amount they need to cover that month’s expenses.
Title: Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Post by: gozalim on April 26, 2021, 10:45:28 AM
On the first of every month. It’s going to work with an honor system, everyone fills in the blank check with whatever amount they need to cover that month’s expenses.
"to each according to his need"