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Title: Israel And Ben Gurion COVID-19 Reopening Master Thread
Post by: Dzla2 on May 09, 2020, 10:17:28 PM
What is the story with Israel’s Foreigners Ban?
 I’ve been hearing mixed reports about what is needed in order to be allowed back in, For those that live in Israel, but are American citizens. I’m referring to those that are married, have an apartment and pay rent, not yeshiva bochurim. Though Ive actually heard that  if you have a student ID, then you actually have better chances of being allowed back into Israel. Also some have actually gotten back in already, and upon leaving The airport, we’re told they need to quarantine in Corona hotels for two weeks, However some we’re allowed to go directly back to their apartments. Does anyone have any clear and accurate information?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Mikes@Micro on May 09, 2020, 10:40:22 PM
What is the story with Israel’s Foreigners Ban?
 I’ve been hearing mixed reports about what is needed in order to be allowed back in, For those that live in Israel, but are American citizens. I’m referring to those that are married, have an apartment and pay rent, not yeshiva bochurim. Though Ive actually heard that  if you have a student ID, then you actually have better chances of being allowed back into Israel. Also some have actually gotten back in already, and upon leaving The airport, we’re told they need to quarantine in Corona hotels for two weeks, However some we’re allowed to go directly back to their apartments. Does anyone have any clear and accurate information?
You can try getting in touch with the embassy
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: sky121 on May 09, 2020, 10:48:53 PM
Has anyone flown on a flight to or from Israel recently? Are they packed?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yuneeq on May 10, 2020, 02:28:04 AM
I have a teenage relative born in Israel and grew up there, but never got citizenship. She went to the US this year and now can’t get back home.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: David R on May 10, 2020, 02:41:24 AM
Does the title have anything to do with what was discussed so far?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ah giten on May 10, 2020, 02:42:43 AM
Does the title have anything to do with what was discussed so far?
No.
Your welcome if this helps.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Baglach on May 10, 2020, 03:24:22 AM
I have a teenage relative born in Israel and grew up there, but never got citizenship. She went to the US this year and now can’t get back home.
If she lived there she should have a resident Visa which would get her a permit to fly
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: AsherO on May 10, 2020, 06:37:03 AM
I have a teenage relative born in Israel and grew up there, but never got citizenship. She went to the US this year and now can’t get back home.

You can be born in Israel and not have citizenship?

I know several people who were not born in Israel (their parents were both Israeli citizens also not born in Israel) and had Israeli citizenship forced upon them.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: B.D.Da'ehu on May 10, 2020, 08:50:47 AM
You can be born in Israel and not have citizenship?
Yes. The current law dictates that a baby born to parents who are both foreigners is not automatically an Israeli citizen.


Though I made sure to actively renounce citizenship when my daughter was born in case they move goalposts in a few years or months and change the law.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yochai on May 10, 2020, 09:04:54 AM
You can be born in Israel and not have citizenship?

I know several people who were not born in Israel (their parents were both Israeli citizens also not born in Israel) and had Israeli citizenship forced upon them.
Definitely.
My 6 siblings and myself were all born in Israel and didn’t get citizenship (ranging between 28-8 years ago). You just need to be proactive about not getting it.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: jose34 on May 10, 2020, 09:07:30 AM
What is the story with Israel’s Foreigners Ban?
 I’ve been hearing mixed reports about what is needed in order to be allowed back in, For those that live in Israel, but are American citizens. I’m referring to those that are married, have an apartment and pay rent, not yeshiva bochurim. Though Ive actually heard that  if you have a student ID, then you actually have better chances of being allowed back into Israel. Also some have actually gotten back in already, and upon leaving The airport, we’re told they need to quarantine in Corona hotels for two weeks, However some we’re allowed to go directly back to their apartments. Does anyone have any clear and accurate information?
Doesn't seem like there is one clear answer. YMMV really applies over here as everyone gets diffrent answers. 
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Emkay on May 10, 2020, 09:17:27 AM
I have a teenage relative born in Israel and grew up there, but never got citizenship. She went to the US this year and now can’t get back home.
Can't get back, meaning she actually tried and got denied?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dzla2 on May 10, 2020, 11:43:19 AM
Does the title have anything to do with what was discussed so far?

Unfortunately you seem to be right here. Was hoping for some definitive answers
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on May 10, 2020, 11:57:29 AM
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/coronavirus-israel-live-israel-relaxes-emergency-regulations-for-those-returning-from-abroad-1.8827042
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dzla2 on May 10, 2020, 04:28:04 PM
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/coronavirus-israel-live-israel-relaxes-emergency-regulations-for-those-returning-from-abroad-1.8827042
That article doesn’t specify if the easing of restrictions applies to non citizens.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: KSMH on May 10, 2020, 04:44:57 PM
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: coffeebean on May 10, 2020, 05:01:45 PM
Please forgive me for posting something I can't confirm. I was told an English Yeshiva Boy was told today he can quarantine in his dirah
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: justaregularguy on May 10, 2020, 05:06:00 PM
I’m shocked he even said that :o
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: KSMH on May 10, 2020, 05:07:25 PM
Please forgive me for posting something I can't confirm. I was told an English Yeshiva Boy was told today he can quarantine in his dirah
If his dirah is his apt, then why not?
If they allow visa holders to enter.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: AsherO on May 10, 2020, 06:50:05 PM
I’m shocked he even said that :o

Passive-aggressive way to take credit and seem “nice”.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: justaregularguy on May 10, 2020, 10:43:55 PM
Passive-aggressive way to take credit and seem “nice”.
for some reason, my mobile view of his tweet came up as incomprehensible gibberish. and when im on the desktop view it changes to hebrew..that was weird
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: AsherO on May 11, 2020, 07:17:57 AM
for some reason, my mobile view of his tweet came up as incomprehensible gibberish. and when im on the desktop view it changes to hebrew..that was weird

Looks like your mobile view chokes on (some?) Unicode?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: gotthepoint on May 11, 2020, 08:03:24 AM
so with new law do people still need permission to enter?
or you can just go on a plane as long as you have where to isolate?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Baglach on May 11, 2020, 08:20:33 AM
so with new law do people still need permission to enter?
or you can just go on a plane as long as you have where to isolate?
Still need permission
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ah giten on May 13, 2020, 12:18:11 AM
any changes here?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: jose34 on May 13, 2020, 08:06:44 AM
For those on a student Visa form to fill out is here:
https://embassies.gov.il/new-york/ConsularServices/Pages/consular-department.aspx
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: TravelSER on May 13, 2020, 08:09:01 AM
But the hard part is getting the Yeshiva letter.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: jose34 on May 13, 2020, 08:29:10 AM
Someone can always apply - especially a guy in a dira or a family without the yeshiva letter and see if they get accepted... can't hurt.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Iz on May 13, 2020, 08:30:05 AM
But the hard part is getting the Yeshiva letter.
Why is that hard - if he is actually learning in the yeshiva? :o
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: JACKBLUE on May 13, 2020, 08:32:38 AM
Why is that hard - if he is actually learning in the yeshiva? :o
Because they are closed.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: TravelSER on May 13, 2020, 09:46:22 AM
Someone can always apply - especially a guy in a dira or a family without the yeshiva letter and see if they get accepted... can't hurt.
THEY DON'T ACCEPTED WITHOUT THE LETTER
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Baglach on May 13, 2020, 11:46:49 AM
 Israel extended ban for foreigners today till may 30
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: JACKBLUE on May 14, 2020, 08:56:20 AM
I hear that if you have a Visa and you can show a positive anti bodies test you don’t need to quarantine. Can anyone confirm this?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: grodnoking on May 14, 2020, 09:41:26 AM
For those on a student Visa form to fill out is here:
https://embassies.gov.il/new-york/ConsularServices/Pages/consular-department.aspx
You must have been in yeshiva in Israel for most of the past 12 months.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: VLK on May 14, 2020, 02:35:21 PM
I hear that if you have a Visa and you can show a positive anti bodies test you don’t need to quarantine. Can anyone confirm this?

I’ve also heard that upon arrival you can get a Covid-19 test that takes 3-5 days to get results and if you get a negative the remainder of the 14 day quarantine is waived. Can anyone confirm that either?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on May 14, 2020, 02:54:37 PM
I’ve also heard that upon arrival you can get a Covid-19 test that takes 3-5 days to get results and if you get a negative the remainder of the 14 day quarantine is waived. Can anyone confirm that either?
do you pay for that test?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: bigG on May 14, 2020, 03:22:05 PM
THEY DON'T ACCEPTED WITHOUT THE LETTER

I got approved with out any letter. Arrived yesterday on UA90 :)
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: bigG on May 14, 2020, 03:23:21 PM
I’ve also heard that upon arrival you can get a Covid-19 test that takes 3-5 days to get results and if you get a negative the remainder of the 14 day quarantine is waived. Can anyone confirm that either?

They didn’t offer me anything like that. Just took our temperature in airport.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Baglach on May 14, 2020, 03:32:18 PM
I hear that if you have a Visa and you can show a positive anti bodies test you don’t need to quarantine. Can anyone confirm this?
Not true, at least for now
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: TravelSER on May 14, 2020, 03:36:44 PM
I got approved with out any letter. Arrived yesterday on UA91 :)
That's because you came in from Israel to the US ;)

Do you have a student visa or working?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ah giten on May 14, 2020, 03:36:45 PM
I got approved with out any letter. Arrived yesterday on UA91 :)
Can you elaborate?
You just arrived without anything, and they let you in? Citizen?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: bigG on May 14, 2020, 04:06:16 PM
No letter from school saying classes resumed.
We got the Ishur by sending in all necessary docs to the consulate.
The approval was dated Sunday. We received it Monday (The approval came from israel, while NY consulate isn’t open on Sunday), for Tuesday flight.
My wife and I are both US citizens.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: bigG on May 14, 2020, 04:07:39 PM
That's because you came in from Israel to the US ;)

Do you have a student visa or working?

Meant 90 :) EWR-TLV
Student Visa.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: gotthepoint on May 14, 2020, 05:19:23 PM
No letter from school saying classes resumed.
We got the Ishur by sending in all necessary docs to the consulate.
The approval was dated Sunday. We received it Monday (The approval came from israel, while NY consulate isn’t open on Sunday), for Tuesday flight.
My wife and I are both US citizens.
when did you send in your docs?
did they ever ask you for more papers?
are they open 6 days a week?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: KSMH on May 14, 2020, 05:26:38 PM
I got approved with out any letter. Arrived yesterday on UA90 :)
Nice
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: bigG on May 14, 2020, 05:29:01 PM
when did you send in your docs?
did they ever ask you for more papers?
are they open 6 days a week?

Few weeks ago. Yes they kept asking for diff docs in diff formats. They closed Sunday. I’ve gotten response on a Friday, but not really helpful, as they are just forwarding all information to Jerusalem.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: gotthepoint on May 14, 2020, 05:47:08 PM
Few weeks ago. Yes they kept asking for diff docs in diff formats. They closed Sunday. I’ve gotten response on a Friday, but not really helpful, as they are just forwarding all information to Jerusalem.
was that you original plan or you wanted to fly earlier and kept resubmitting?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Divora M on May 15, 2020, 01:18:14 AM
I have an Israeli passport, do I need special permission to enter Israel from the USA?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: TravelSER on May 15, 2020, 01:23:28 AM
No
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: TravelSER on May 15, 2020, 01:25:16 AM
Few weeks ago. Yes they kept asking for diff docs in diff formats. They closed Sunday. I’ve gotten response on a Friday, but not really helpful, as they are just forwarding all information to Jerusalem.
Did you have a 'special reason' Why you have to return?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Divora M on May 15, 2020, 01:27:38 AM
No

Can my husband and kids come with me who do not have Israeli passports?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: TravelSER on May 15, 2020, 01:30:17 AM
Can my husband and kids come with me who do not have Israeli passports?
Then I think you'll have to get
 permission,  but it should be much easier.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: bigG on May 15, 2020, 05:21:12 AM
Did you have a 'special reason' Why you have to return?

I wrote מרכז חיים בישראל
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on May 15, 2020, 05:26:12 AM
Can my husband and kids come with me who do not have Israeli passports?
than you need permission 
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Divora M on May 15, 2020, 08:46:15 AM
than you need permission


How do I go about getting permission?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on May 15, 2020, 09:05:19 AM


How do I go about getting permission?
https://embassies.gov.il/new-york/ConsularServices/Pages/consular-department.aspx
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Divora M on May 15, 2020, 09:17:23 AM
https://embassies.gov.il/new-york/ConsularServices/Pages/consular-department.aspx

Thanks, I live in Chicago though.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: grodnoking on May 15, 2020, 09:19:55 AM
Thanks, I live in Chicago though.
https://embassies.gov.il/chicago/ConsularServices/Pages/consular-services.aspx
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: VLK on May 15, 2020, 10:58:40 AM
Few weeks ago. Yes they kept asking for diff docs in diff formats. They closed Sunday. I’ve gotten response on a Friday, but not really helpful, as they are just forwarding all information to Jerusalem.

What documents did they want?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on May 15, 2020, 11:28:02 AM
Can my husband and kids come with me who do not have Israeli passports?
Just heard first hand account from a family that own an apartment in Israel, and one parent is an Israeli citizen, that they were declined entry till they prove that they tested negative for Covid19, and tested positive for antibodies.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Divora M on May 15, 2020, 02:21:41 PM
Just heard first hand account from a family that own an apartment in Israel, and one parent is an Israeli citizen, that they were declined entry till they prove that they tested negative for Covid19, and tested positive for antibodies.

We have tickets to go in July. I assumed we would need to show proof of being negative For COVID-19 in order to enter but why would we also need to have antibodies? Also, if someone shows proof of being negative for the virus and have antibodies would they need to quarantine for two weeks once they arrive?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on May 15, 2020, 02:25:37 PM
We have tickets to go in July. I assumed we would need to show proof of being negative For COVID-19 in order to enter but why would we also need to have antibodies? Also, if someone shows proof of being negative for the virus and have antibodies would they need to quarantine for two weeks once they arrive?

Not sure what the reasoning is. only what i heard.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on May 15, 2020, 04:49:15 PM
this is what my sister got today
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: JACKBLUE on May 15, 2020, 05:22:28 PM
this is what my sister got today
Yup a family member also got this today. Also got rejected because baby (3 month old) doesn’t have a Visa.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on May 15, 2020, 06:53:13 PM
Yup a family member also got this today. Also got rejected because baby (3 month old) doesn’t have a Visa.
# WELCOMETOTHELANDOFHUMUSANDSCREWYOU
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Baglach on May 16, 2020, 01:26:00 PM
Yup a family member also got this today. Also got rejected because baby (3 month old) doesn’t have a Visa.
Maybe try a different consulate
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on May 16, 2020, 09:32:19 PM
which 1?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on May 17, 2020, 10:01:23 AM
this is what my sister got today
any update how to get in now?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Baglach on May 17, 2020, 10:22:46 AM
which 1?
I hear uk not requesting any letters, however not sure this will work of flying from USA
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: nucheiner on May 17, 2020, 11:34:20 AM
Lets get some actual DP.

Can anyone report, and report as well what the process was by customs? (I have a feeling that whomever lands is getting in regularly and they aren't checking much except for telling you to quarantine. This may change if droves of people start landing)
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Afrages6 on May 17, 2020, 11:46:31 AM
Lets get some actual DP.

Can anyone report, and report as well what the process was by customs? (I have a feeling that whomever lands is getting in regularly and they aren't checking much except for telling you to quarantine. This may change if droves of people start landing)
There is one flight in from the USA currently. United isn’t allowing people to check in without either an Israeli passport or the ishur papers.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: a mirrer on May 17, 2020, 12:57:52 PM
There is one flight in from the USA currently. United isn’t allowing people to check in without either an Israeli passport or the ishur papers.
+1 and when you land in Tel Aviv before passport control they check to see your ishur
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: VLK on May 17, 2020, 01:40:54 PM
What would someone living in a relatives owned apartment use as proof that they have a place to quarantine?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: a mirrer on May 17, 2020, 10:29:08 PM
What would someone living in a relatives owned apartment use as proof that they have a place to quarantine?
they don’t require proof that you have where to quarantine they just ask for an address and phone number and have you self-certify that you can self-quarantine
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dzla2 on May 18, 2020, 12:24:24 AM
Few weeks ago. Yes they kept asking for diff docs in diff formats. They closed Sunday. I’ve gotten response on a Friday, but not really helpful, as they are just forwarding all information to Jerusalem.

But you had a student visa. My question is regarding those that don’t have one, but have dira.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dzla2 on May 18, 2020, 12:30:00 AM
Israel extended ban for foreigners today till may 30

Where did you see this ?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: David R on May 18, 2020, 01:19:27 AM
Where did you see this ?
https://www.dansdeals.com/points-travel/israel/roundup-airlines-cancelling-reducing-service-israel-due-coronavirus/
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: VLK on May 18, 2020, 09:54:49 AM
Anyone hear any updates regarding this new process of Yeshivas having to apply for their students reentry and not going thru the consulate?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on May 18, 2020, 09:56:27 AM
Anyone hear any updates regarding this new process of Yeshivas having to apply for their students reentry and not going thru the consulate?
+1
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Afrages6 on May 18, 2020, 10:02:15 AM
Anyone hear any updates regarding this new process of Yeshivas having to apply for their students reentry and not going thru the consulate?

Yes that is the new process, reach out to the yeshiva which you have a visa from. If they plan on reopening then they are going to be in touch with the misrad hapanim
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on May 18, 2020, 10:17:12 AM
Yes that is the new process, reach out to the yeshiva which you have a visa from. If they plan on reopening then they are going to be in touch with the misrad hapanim
what if the person has a visa he got from mir but he switched yeshivos?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on May 18, 2020, 10:36:55 AM
what if the person has a visa he got from mir but he switched yeshivos?
FWIW they don't automatically cancel a visa even if you're no longer a student. Worked to my disadvantage once.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on May 18, 2020, 10:52:06 AM
FWIW they don't automatically cancel a visa even if you're no longer a student. Worked to my disadvantage once.
my question is who does he apply with?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Afrages6 on May 18, 2020, 10:56:52 AM
what if the person has a visa he got from mir but he switched yeshivos?
The mir, if that’s who he has a student visa from
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on May 18, 2020, 11:03:58 AM
The mir, if that’s who he has a student visa from
how does he contact them?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Baglach on May 18, 2020, 11:49:17 AM
how does he contact them?
They sent out an email that for now they are closed so they can't provide any letters or apply for an ishur
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on May 18, 2020, 12:19:17 PM
They sent out an email that for now they are closed so they can't provide any letters or apply for an ishur
at his point you can not apply for a ishur ,you need the yeshiva to apply for you.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Buruch on May 18, 2020, 03:04:48 PM
This is from a personal friend of mine:

 Time sensitive urgent request
One of my children takes medicine that can only be compounded in the USA  we normally have no problem getting the medicine to Israel

 with the current situation we can't find a way to get it here  we've already asked friends and hatzala 
Pls share this message

 we need the medicine by June 1 when the medicine will run out. I can be contacted at 0535207261   0587979721
Thank you Ari Pfeffer :) :)
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Ergel on May 18, 2020, 03:13:08 PM
This is from a personal friend of mine:

 Time sensitive urgent request
One of my children takes medicine that can only be compounded in the USA  we normally have no problem getting the medicine to Israel

 with the current situation we can't find a way to get it here  we've already asked friends and hatzala 
Pls share this message

 we need the medicine by June 1 when the medicine will run out. I can be contacted at 0535207261   0587979721
Thank you Ari Pfeffer :) :)
No WhatsApp?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on May 18, 2020, 03:14:37 PM
No WhatsApp?

If anyone has an issue calling Israeli numbers please PM me.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Ergel on May 18, 2020, 03:37:46 PM
Called, unable to get it in time
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: moish on May 18, 2020, 05:05:44 PM
This is from a personal friend of mine:

 Time sensitive urgent request
One of my children takes medicine that can only be compounded in the USA  we normally have no problem getting the medicine to Israel

 with the current situation we can't find a way to get it here  we've already asked friends and hatzala 
Pls share this message

 we need the medicine by June 1 when the medicine will run out. I can be contacted at 0535207261   0587979721
Thank you Ari Pfeffer :) :)
If it's extremely urgent, maybe recommend shipping it
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on May 18, 2020, 05:09:33 PM
This is from a personal friend of mine:

 Time sensitive urgent request
One of my children takes medicine that can only be compounded in the USA  we normally have no problem getting the medicine to Israel

 with the current situation we can't find a way to get it here  we've already asked friends and hatzala 
Pls share this message

 we need the medicine by June 1 when the medicine will run out. I can be contacted at 0535207261   0587979721
Thank you Ari Pfeffer :) :)
did you try eli rowe? i was told he flies niftarim to tlv
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yitzf on May 18, 2020, 05:42:13 PM
This is from a personal friend of mine:

 Time sensitive urgent request
One of my children takes medicine that can only be compounded in the USA  we normally have no problem getting the medicine to Israel

 with the current situation we can't find a way to get it here  we've already asked friends and hatzala 
Pls share this message

 we need the medicine by June 1 when the medicine will run out. I can be contacted at 0535207261   0587979721
Thank you Ari Pfeffer :) :)

There was an article in the Mishpacha or Ami recently about an Israeli organization that specializes in these things. They have a call center and whatsapp groups all over the world. I don't remember the name, but maybe someone else does.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Buruch on May 18, 2020, 09:14:37 PM
No WhatsApp?

+972 58-797-9721
+972 53-520-7261
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: flyingace on May 18, 2020, 10:35:03 PM
did you try eli rowe? i was told he flies niftarim to tlv
+1 He does.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: VLK on May 20, 2020, 06:35:51 PM
Anybody hear any updates regarding the regulations to get an Ishur? It doesn’t seam like this new way of yeshiva applying for students is working
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on May 21, 2020, 04:09:55 PM
Anybody hear any updates regarding the regulations to get an Ishur? It doesn’t seam like this new way of yeshiva applying for students is working
+1
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on May 21, 2020, 05:22:30 PM
I hear TLV is looking to do on site testing with results in 15 minutes (unclear if it's for Covid or antibodies), this might be the deciding factor in opening up.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on May 21, 2020, 06:47:14 PM
How about someone with an Israeli passport entering Israel now (for example on UA90) are they enforcing any quarantine requirements?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on May 21, 2020, 06:51:53 PM
I hear TLV is looking to do on site testing with results in 15 minutes (unclear if it's for Covid or antibodies), this might be the deciding factor in opening up.

I was under the impression that they screen everyone on arrival but they still need to quarantine.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: a mirrer on May 21, 2020, 10:37:23 PM
How about someone with an Israeli passport entering Israel now (for example on UA90) are they enforcing any quarantine requirements?
they have to fill out an online form to do at home quarantine and include an address and a phone number and they come check on you to make sure that you are in quarantine. They have already come past my house 4 times since last Thursday.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on May 21, 2020, 10:41:22 PM
I was under the impression that they screen everyone on arrival but they still need to quarantine.
Quarantine is still in place. But if they can implement an accurate Covid19 screening process in TLV which will take only a few min. they will lift the restrictions on foreigners and the need for quarantine. I believe that by late June or July we will see this happen.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on May 21, 2020, 10:51:16 PM
Quarantine is still in place. But if they can implement an accurate Covid19 screening process in TLV which will take only a few min. they will lift the restrictions on foreigners and the need for quarantine. I believe that by late June or July we will see this happen.
they worked so hard to keep it covid free, i cant believe they will just let people in even with the test,its not 100% accurate,and even if it is,you can still test negative and carry the virus....,all it takes it 1 person to bring it in and they are back to another outbreak 
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on May 21, 2020, 10:55:03 PM
they worked so hard to keep it covid free, i cant believe they will just let people in even with the test,its not 100% accurate,and even if it is,you can still test negative and carry the virus....,all it takes it 1 person to bring it in and they are back to another outbreak
Israel is developing their own test. So if implemented I assume they trust its accuracy. OTOH it's not sustainable long term for Israel to be isolated.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on May 21, 2020, 11:02:18 PM
Israel is developing their own test. So if implemented I assume they trust its accuracy. OTOH it's not sustainable long term for Israel to be isolated.
we know that, but its also not sustainable to start over....
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: kosherjid on May 22, 2020, 04:14:14 AM
If it's extremely urgent, maybe recommend shipping it

Did you find someone ?  You can always contact the embassy, they'll be able to help you.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on May 22, 2020, 08:18:57 AM
The ban on non-Israelis entering the country in order to stop the spread of COVID-19 has been extended into mid-June.The Israel Airports Authority notified airlines on Wednesday that non-citizens would be barred until at least June 15, The order had been set to expire on May 30.In addition, Israelis returning from abroad will still be required to self-isolate for 14 days until that time.

https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-ban-on-foreigners-entering-israel-extended-to-june-15-1001329442
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dzla2 on May 24, 2020, 03:07:15 AM
Quarantine is still in place. But if they can implement an accurate Covid19 screening process in TLV which will take only a few min. they will lift the restrictions on foreigners and the need for quarantine. I believe that by late June or July we will see this happen.

Source?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dzla2 on May 24, 2020, 03:12:21 AM
they worked so hard to keep it covid free, i cant believe they will just let people in even with the test,its not 100% accurate,and even if it is,you can still test negative and carry the virus....,all it takes it 1 person to bring it in and they are back to another outbreak

I’m agree with that. However they’ve already started excepting Israeli’s back in already. So if that was the Absolute bottom line, they would keep  borders closed.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on May 24, 2020, 03:14:16 AM
I’m agree with that. However they’ve already started excepting Israeli’s back in already. So if that was the Absolute bottom line, they would keep  borders closed.
Israeli citizens were always allowed in. Nothing started.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on May 24, 2020, 09:02:18 AM
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/1863896/big-news-american-yeshiva-bochurim-can-return-to-israel-with-conditions.html
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Let3 on May 24, 2020, 01:58:02 PM
Do they still need a letter from the yeshivah?
Is the Mir giving these out yet?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on May 24, 2020, 02:09:27 PM
Do they still need a letter from the yeshivah?
Is the Mir giving these out yet?
you do not get a letter.
the yeshiva needs to do it for you.
whatever that means!
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on May 24, 2020, 02:23:52 PM
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/1863896/big-news-american-yeshiva-bochurim-can-return-to-israel-with-conditions.html

Very impractical quarantine requirements for this to actually work.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Afrages6 on May 24, 2020, 02:58:57 PM
Very impractical quarantine requirements for this to actually work.
Not practical for the mir or brisk to have any bochurim with these conditions
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: 1356Abe on May 24, 2020, 03:13:45 PM
they come check on you to make sure that you are in quarantine. They have already come past my house 4 times since last Thursday.
interesting. Here for almost 2 weeks and not one visit.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: theblakdavid on May 24, 2020, 03:26:44 PM
interesting. Here for almost 2 weeks and not one visit.
Maybe they only come in the day 🤪
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ilherman on May 24, 2020, 05:27:46 PM
Is it possible to get a student visa now?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: israshot on May 24, 2020, 08:47:52 PM
Relatives Allowed to Enter Israel for Weddings With Restrictions
https://hamodia.com/2020/05/24/relatives-allowed-enter-israel-weddings-restrictions/
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Let3 on May 24, 2020, 09:00:31 PM
you do not get a letter.
the yeshiva needs to do it for you.
whatever that means!
Is the Mir doing this now?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: JACKBLUE on May 24, 2020, 09:11:50 PM
Is the Mir doing this now?
No
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on May 24, 2020, 10:41:58 PM
Very few yeshivas that can give people their own bedroom and bathroom for two weeks.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ah giten on May 24, 2020, 11:15:28 PM
Why can't all boys arriving the same time, quarantine together?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Afrages6 on May 24, 2020, 11:52:00 PM
Why can't all boys arriving the same time, quarantine together?
Because it’s possible that boy one is infected, infects boy two on day 8, who infects boy 3 on day 14. Now boy 3 goes to geulah and stuffs himself into a store and infects six people unknowingly. Then these six people infect forty more and Israel has an outbreak in a population with virtually no built up immunity.

Obviously this is far fetched but it’s a possibility.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: jose34 on May 25, 2020, 07:35:07 AM
Guess this means even people are allowed to back it may take some time...
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/280807
Flights from Israel's Ben Gurion Airport to resume in July
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on May 25, 2020, 10:26:42 AM
Guess this means even people are allowed to back it may take some time...
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/280807
Flights from Israel's Ben Gurion Airport to resume in July
It's not up to airport to decide when flights will resume. This press conference was a complete clown show. Just a few airport officials trying to justify for their high salaries
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on May 25, 2020, 11:33:34 AM
It's not up to airport to decide when flights will resume. This press conference was a complete clown show. Just a few airport officials trying to justify for their high salaries
And not the first time they pulled this stunt
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Mikes@Micro on May 25, 2020, 06:57:54 PM
http://
And not the first time they pulled this stunt
Regular israelis. Kinda like this
https://www.timesofisrael.com/labor-talks-with-el-al-union-said-to-devolve-into-chair-throwing-melee/
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: JACKBLUE on May 26, 2020, 09:00:55 AM
Is the Mir doing this now?
No
I hear that the Mir sent out an email that they can now apply for a אישור.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Let3 on May 26, 2020, 10:33:23 AM
Thanks !

So are people now going to go back or is everyone just settling in America?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on May 27, 2020, 05:53:31 AM
Cases in Israel on the rise again 35 yesterday up from 15 the day before, and there seem to be a few clusters at schools.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Ergel on May 27, 2020, 07:35:04 AM
Cases in Israel on the rise again 35 yesterday up from 15 the day before, and there seem to be a few clusters at schools.
Per my next door neighbor doctor, most of the increase is in Tel Aviv
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on May 27, 2020, 07:36:15 AM
Per my next door neighbor doctor, most of the increase is in Tel Aviv
Not sure why a doctor is more qualified to provide this information, but it is true per MoH website.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on May 27, 2020, 07:36:27 AM
Per my next door neighbor doctor, most of the increase is in Tel Aviv
I live in Tel Aviv. Hardly see anyone wearing masks these days and they have reopened everything. So can't say I'm surprised
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on May 27, 2020, 07:37:21 AM
I live in Tel Aviv. Hardly see anyone wearing masks these days and they have reopened everything. So can't say I'm surprised
Never understood how Israel got it so low in the first place.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on May 27, 2020, 07:40:23 AM
Never understood how Israel got it so low in the first place.
Agreed. And despite bnei braq  ;)
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: VLK on May 27, 2020, 11:30:26 AM
Anyone try going thru the mir and has gotten a response from them yet?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: JACKBLUE on May 27, 2020, 11:33:54 AM
Anyone try going thru the mir and has gotten a response from them yet?
I believe they are collecting a whole bunch of  applications and will submit a bunch together, they told people to give it 5-7 days.....
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: VLK on June 01, 2020, 01:11:15 PM
I got an ishur yesterday. Got one for me and one for my wife but not for my 2 children (ages 3 and 1). Anyone know if I need a separate paper for them or if me and my wife have that’s enough?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: jose34 on June 01, 2020, 01:44:21 PM
I got an ishur yesterday. Got one for me and one for my wife but not for my 2 children (ages 3 and 1). Anyone know if I need a separate paper for them or if me and my wife have that’s enough?
Huh, you applied for everyone for your kids together with you and your wife?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: VLK on June 01, 2020, 02:12:03 PM
Huh, you applied for everyone for your kids together with you and your wife?

Yes but my children don’t have any form of student visas I think that may be why it disintegrated come thru
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: bigG on June 01, 2020, 02:13:21 PM
I got an ishur yesterday. Got one for me and one for my wife but not for my 2 children (ages 3 and 1). Anyone know if I need a separate paper for them or if me and my wife have that’s enough?

They didn’t ask us for our ishur at all (although united asked for it about 5 times)
They collected all the passports, and a lady ready thru each one, to
Someone on the other line.. making sure all the passport numbers were approved.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: VLK on June 01, 2020, 02:17:47 PM
Did you receive papers for everyone originally?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Let3 on June 02, 2020, 08:13:15 PM
Did any Rav change / update the psak with the new regulations ?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: JACKBLUE on June 02, 2020, 08:15:45 PM
Did any Rav change / update the psak with the new regulations ?
Wrong thread.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: m65 on June 03, 2020, 02:30:14 AM
a relative has tickets for a family bar mitzva in a month, he wants to know whats the process, and when does he have to start it?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on June 03, 2020, 11:52:32 AM
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/1867439/urgent-single-yeshivah-bochurim-will-not-be-allowed-entry-into-israel-even-with-entry-permits.html
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dan on June 03, 2020, 11:54:51 AM
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/1867439/urgent-single-yeshivah-bochurim-will-not-be-allowed-entry-into-israel-even-with-entry-permits.html
Please post a government or real news source.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on June 03, 2020, 01:17:12 PM
a relative has tickets for a family bar mitzva in a month, he wants to know whats the process, and when does he have to start it?
married,visa?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ah giten on June 05, 2020, 01:39:08 AM
Thread title should be updated to: Israel NOT opening to foreigners... (In the near future).
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 05, 2020, 05:11:11 AM
a relative has tickets for a family bar mitzva in a month, he wants to know whats the process, and when does he have to start it?
Email the local Israeli consulate. Process takes a few days, so you want to do it when cases are low in Israel and sentiment is on your side.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: kosherjid on June 05, 2020, 06:51:02 AM
I just heard that from today all flights to Israel are forbidden entry.  Is this true ?  Is it only from Europe ? What about those families who got permission are bought tickets for next week ?!?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on June 05, 2020, 06:52:27 AM
I just heard that from today all flights to Israel are forbidden entry.  Is this true ?  Is it only from Europe ? What about those families who got permission are bought tickets for next week ?!?
It was a threat from the airport authority employees, but they already cancelled it after discussions with the ministry of transportation
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: kosherjid on June 05, 2020, 11:58:21 AM
Are you sure ?  There's rumour going around that it's not because of the strike.  It's because of the virus.  I hope it's not true.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Buruch on June 07, 2020, 10:22:07 AM
Which airlines are currently flying into Israel? From anywhere, not just US.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Ergel on June 07, 2020, 10:25:46 AM
AC, DL, LY, UA, ET
I believe that's it for now
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: moish on June 07, 2020, 10:50:14 AM
LH
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 07, 2020, 11:12:49 AM
And Belarus from Minsk
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: moish on June 07, 2020, 11:48:24 AM
And Wizz

Easier to just check here:
https://www.iaa.gov.il/en-US/airports/bengurion/Pages/default.aspx
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 07, 2020, 11:49:26 AM
https://www.gov.il/he/departments/publications/reports/updating_flights_to_israel
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on June 10, 2020, 11:03:24 AM
Israel has extended its entry ban for non-Israelis who are not permanent residents until July 1, according to Channel 13.
The decision to keep the borders closed comes as virus cases continue to rise.

Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dan on June 10, 2020, 11:20:35 AM
Israel has extended its entry ban for non-Israelis who are not permanent residents until July 1, according to Channel 13.
The decision to keep the borders closed comes as virus cases continue to rise.
https://www.dansdeals.com/points-travel/israel/israel-wont-open-borders-foreign-nationals-june/
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: m65 on June 10, 2020, 12:10:39 PM
married,visa?
married (to an israli citizen) no visa
always gets tourist visa on spot
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on June 10, 2020, 12:15:20 PM
Please post a government or real news source.
https://mobile.mako.co.il/news-israel/2020_q2/Article-6539b9ae6258271026.htm
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: bobeli on June 17, 2020, 10:35:13 PM
where can I get health insurance that covers corona in israel?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dr Moose on June 18, 2020, 11:59:02 PM
For a Israeli citizen during the 14 day quarantine when returning from abroad, are you just stuck in your house or is it total isolation from your immediate family as well?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on June 19, 2020, 12:00:44 AM
For a Israeli citizen during the 14 day quarantine when returning from abroad, are you just stuck in your house or is it total isolation from your immediate family as well?
If you are not fully isolated from your family, then whoever is living with you must quarantine with you as well
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dr Moose on June 19, 2020, 12:05:50 AM
If you are not fully isolated from your family, then whoever is living with you must quarantine with you as well
Even though they haven't left Israel at all?

Is there a website that can see a the official rules like this?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Mikes@Micro on June 19, 2020, 12:14:25 AM
Even though they haven't left Israel at all?

Is there a website that can see a the official rules like this?
Isreaeli Gov websites are a mess but check NY consulate, Chaim Vchessed, Health Ministry, DC embassy.

Exact detail likely dont exist publicly (or at least you'll never find that pdf that one MK you've never heard tweeted a dropbox link to) BUT you can call/ email Chaim Vchessed. They seem to have contacts in the Health ministry

(Also not clear which ministry or combination of ministry's are in charge of the different aspects....)

BHatzlacha!
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on June 19, 2020, 12:17:55 AM
Even though they haven't left Israel at all?

Is there a website that can see a the official rules like this?
Check https://govextra.gov.il/ministry-of-health/corona/corona-virus-en/guidelines-2/en-home-isolation/#international

I have a few close friends who had to travel abroad and when they returned they were allowed to self isolate a closed room at home, separated from the rest of the family, without the rest of the family having to quarantine. It's far from ideal but worth checking with the health ministry
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Mikes@Micro on June 19, 2020, 12:19:19 AM
@tavster how do you get in touch with them?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on June 19, 2020, 12:23:53 AM
@tavster how do you get in touch with them?
I believe the number is 086241010
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Mikes@Micro on June 19, 2020, 12:26:05 AM
I believe the number is 086241010
Thanks
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: bobeli on June 22, 2020, 09:12:28 PM
how do you update your marriage by the interior ministry?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: zagguru on June 22, 2020, 09:43:07 PM
Thread title should be updated to: Israel NOT opening to foreigners... (In the near future).

+1
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Buruch on June 23, 2020, 12:59:02 PM
Is there a link to get the application the yeshiva must submit?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Pesach on June 24, 2020, 01:10:54 AM
is there anything my friend can do to get to  israel for his niece weddign by himself, he is married and wants to fly by himself in july and stay for a few days?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on June 24, 2020, 01:21:02 AM
stay for a few days?
He can submit an application through the embassy, but even if it's approved he would need to self quarantine for 14 days when landing in Israel
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yfr bachur on June 24, 2020, 12:48:30 PM
chaim vchesed has advised not to apply if you are not on the list of approved exeptions
https://chaimvchessed.com/no-no-no-they-will-not-let-you-go/
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ari3 on June 24, 2020, 09:22:27 PM
I have tickets to EY for succos (booked before covid) and was really looking forward to succos in EY. what are the chances we will be able to go? :( (obviously noone knows but opinions are good for discussion and hoping)
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on June 25, 2020, 01:44:58 AM
I have tickets to EY for succos (booked before covid) and was really looking forward to succos in EY. what are the chances we will be able to go? :( (obviously noone knows but opinions are good for discussion and hoping)
i would say very slim
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yfr bachur on June 25, 2020, 02:39:14 AM
I have tickets to EY for succos (booked before covid) and was really looking forward to succos in EY. what are the chances we will be able to go? :( (obviously noone knows but opinions are good for discussion and hoping)

Based on what my Yeshiva is hearing from the various govt office, Sukkos tourism is not happening, Period.

I get it that everyone wants things to be back to normal, like last week, but thats not realistic.
Whether you like it or not the Israeli Govt places more weight on the current scientific consensus than on the firmly held beliefs of the heimishe crowd - even if they do base their conclusions on what they have seen with the two eyes that God gave them.

The borders are closed to non-citizens of Israel.
After much lobbying they agreed to allow case by case exceptions in a limited number of situations.
These include people coming in for the funerals and weddings of immediate family (B-I-L and S-i-l have been refused)
They also agreed to allow married students - whos center of life is in Israel to return. This is not intended to open the borders to them, rather grant them a one time exemption to return to "their center of life".
The recent news is that Non-Israelis who leave will not be granted permission to return for at least 30 days after they leave. (After lobbying they agreed to consider allowing those who left for a legitimate reason - funeral, wedding,medical treatment...- to return before the 30 days are up)
The Mir sent out the following
Quote
Leaving Israel for a vacation – Truly painful for me to even write about it.
We live in unique times and לכל זמן ועת, I understand that the requests we received in this topic came from a desperate need but… I have to relay to you the following statement from the Rosh Hayeshiva Harav Eliezer Yehuda Finkel Shlita - someone who is already in Israel cannot apply again for an entry permit if he needs to leave Israel unless he has a medical or other very important reason which he should clarify with the Yeshiva office in Israel before planning on leaving the country. We are working hard to help yungeleit learn Torah in our yeshiva. This is our mission and we are happy to do whatever we can to help you get there.
They also heard from one of the Chareidi MKs that the tourisim, interior, economy ministries are not currently presuring to open the borders to tourists.

The Interior Minister, who is Charedi, canceled the permission given to unmarried students to return, very shortly after it was granted.

Israel is probably closer to returning to shelter-in-place than opening to tourists.

Things could change. the infection rates in the US could drop. the virus could just stop spreading. We could discover that eating peanut butter and asparagus cures the virus. but Al Pi Derech Hateva this will not happen. This is not a chisaron in Emuna. This is understanding that HKBH runs the world, and doesnt always run it exactly the way we want.


Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on June 25, 2020, 08:12:50 AM
Ban on foreign entry extended to Aug. 1
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 25, 2020, 08:59:14 AM
I'm hoping Israel opens by Pesach
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on June 25, 2020, 09:03:04 AM
I'm hoping Israel opens by Pesach
Which year?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Ergel on June 25, 2020, 09:10:27 AM
I'm hoping Israel opens by Pesach
Been saying since April that best case scenario is Chanukah
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Mikes@Micro on June 25, 2020, 09:22:45 AM
Been saying since April that best case scenario is Chanukah
The Hamodia had an interview from an expert saying after speaking to the Health, education and other ministers he guarantees they will have a proctol for students by Elul/ September
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Ergel on June 25, 2020, 09:24:44 AM
The Hanodia had an interview from an expert saying after speaking to the Health, education and other ministers he guarantees they will have a proctol for students by Elul/ September
I believe that they will let students in to controlled environments, mandatory 2 week quarantine with school responsibility, etc. I don't think we will see tourists for a while
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: jose34 on June 25, 2020, 09:36:25 AM
I believe that they will let students in to controlled environments, mandatory 2 week quarantine with school responsibility, etc. I don't think we will see tourists for a while
That would nice as there a girls that dying to come to seminary there whole life.
The question would be what kind of year it will be the for the girls.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Ergel on June 25, 2020, 09:42:35 AM
That would nice as there a girls that dying to come to seminary there whole life.
The question would be what kind of year it will be the for the girls.
All the girls in my wife's school who stayed through pesach/end of the year this year say they had the time of their lives
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yaakov35 on June 25, 2020, 09:42:57 AM
That would nice as there a girls that dying to come to seminary there whole life.
The question would be what kind of year it will be the for the girls.
What would be problem? After 2 week quarantine it would be normal.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: jose34 on June 25, 2020, 09:45:13 AM
What would be problem? After 2 week quarantine it would be normal.
Chessed- going to people houses, eating by people houses, going out Jersualyim for Shabbos. People won't be opening there house as they did before.
What happens if someone if the seminary gets it....
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 25, 2020, 09:47:13 AM
Been saying since April that best case scenario is Chanukah
Better foresight than me. But I think the winter will be a bloodbath.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Ergel on June 25, 2020, 09:48:34 AM
Chessed- going to people houses, eating by people houses, going out Jersualyim for Shabbos. People won't be opening there house as they did before.
What happens if someone if the seminary gets it....
Indeed. To think that the world is just going back to normal is not accurate
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on June 25, 2020, 09:49:29 AM
Ban on foreign entry extended to Aug. 1
https://www.dansdeals.com/?p=233860&t
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Mikes@Micro on June 25, 2020, 09:51:13 AM
Chessed- going to people houses, eating by people houses, going out Jersualyim for Shabbos. People won't be opening there house as they did before.
What happens if someone if the seminary gets it....
"What if someone in the seminary gets it?"
 Is one of the least logical questions you can think about.

Many seminaries sent girls home after purim bc "let's say one of you needs to quarantine and the govt says a form doesnt work"

The Rabbi in charge of Neve said he will arrange for a private apartment for any girl from any seminary (not just the ones on his campus) that need to quarantine.

Please dont make emotional decisions.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 25, 2020, 09:54:11 AM
I think we should declare a girl having to quarantine by herself for 2 weeks is the 5th איסור חמור של יהרוג ואל יעבור

Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on June 25, 2020, 09:54:46 AM
"What if someone in the seminary gets it?"
 Is one of the least logical questions you can think about.

Many seminaries sent girls home after purim bc "let's say one of you needs to quarantine and the govt says a form doesnt work"

The Rabbi in charge of Neve said he will arrange for a private apartment for any girl from any seminary (not just the ones on his campus) that need to quarantine.

Please dont make emotional decisions.
Family members of mine (married and living there),who have stayed in Israel and didn't come back for Pesach, say it's the best decision they have ever made.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Mikes@Micro on June 25, 2020, 09:59:01 AM
I think we should declare a girl having to quarantine by herself for 2 weeks is the 5th איסור חמור של יהרוג ואל יעבור


It likely wouldn't be totally alone as she'd prob be with others in quarantine.

Scenario the seminaries were worried about: Govt tracks your RavKav andnanounces anyone on the 3 bus at this time was exposed. Have you ever seen girls in israel? I guarantee you she wasnt alone.

Furthermore we are talking about mechanchim who will obviously ensure supervision and safe ways of social interaction (ie through a window)


Family members of mine (married and living there),who have stayed in Israel and didn't come back for Pesach, say it's the best decision they have ever made.
Same story with bochrim and kollel families I know.

Families that were here for pesach were more than eager to get back at 1st opportunity.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: jose34 on June 25, 2020, 10:09:58 AM
Family members of mine (married and living there),who have stayed in Israel and didn't come back for Pesach, say it's the best decision they have ever made.
That is pretty obvious. In E"Y as lockdown as it was it was much more of a community feel - outdoor minyanim, people talking to each other on the streets, ( like I wrote before people in E"Y now how to deal with such a thing) etc..
While in America everyone was really alone by themselves.

 
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yaakov35 on June 25, 2020, 10:17:36 AM



While in America everyone was really alone by themselves.

Don't let ddf fool you... only people that were alone were those that wanted to be...
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on June 25, 2020, 10:21:59 AM

Don't let ddf fool you... only people that were alone were those that wanted to be...
Nonsense. Anyone in the Tri-state area can attest to this.
You are an exception to the rule, not the rule.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yaakov35 on June 25, 2020, 10:30:23 AM
Nonsense. Anyone in the Tri-state area can attest to this.
You are an exception to the rule, not the rule.
Aha. Not even gonna argue such an arrogant statement
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: jose34 on June 25, 2020, 10:50:16 AM
Nonsense. Anyone in the Tri-state area can attest to this.
You are an exception to the rule, not the rule.
I am not bragging just saying facts.
People in America had a nice Y"T תפילות  every day of Y"T with קריאת התורה... never missed a תפילה b/c of Corona, had a regular ביעור חמץ  Erev Pesach, was able to go the store etc....
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on June 25, 2020, 10:50:53 AM
Aha. Not even gonna argue such an arrogant statement
Says the guy who said

Don't let ddf fool you... only people that were alone were those that wanted to be...
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yaakov35 on June 25, 2020, 10:59:50 AM
Says the guy who said
I know numerous people in ny area, not one who wanted to socialize or have an outdoor minyan in the regular mainstream places had an issue. So to say everyone was at home and lonely is just incorrect.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on June 25, 2020, 07:25:12 PM
Been saying since April that best case scenario is Chanukah

UNLESS there's some development on allowing people with antibodies to enter without quarantine (or a brief one pending a negative PCR test). If that policy would be implemented, it could be a game-changer.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Aaroncar on June 29, 2020, 09:33:10 PM
When applying with a valid reason, for exemption to enter Israel (as a us citizen), and I don't have someone to host me to quarantine, hotels don't work correct?
Will i have an option of going to one of those Israeli corona hotels? Or is the only option renting an apartment? But i still won't have someone to pick me up from the airport as required.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: nafnaf12 on June 30, 2020, 02:29:12 AM
When applying with a valid reason, for exemption to enter Israel (as a us citizen), and I don't have someone to host me to quarantine, hotels don't work correct?
Will i have an option of going to one of those Israeli corona hotels? Or is the only option renting an apartment? But i still won't have someone to pick me up from the airport as required.
you can go to a government run hotel.
I believe you have to foot the bill,
However renting an apartment would be much cheaper and less painful IMO.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 30, 2020, 06:32:16 AM
When applying with a valid reason, for exemption to enter Israel (as a us citizen), and I don't have someone to host me to quarantine, hotels don't work correct?
Will i have an option of going to one of those Israeli corona hotels? Or is the only option renting an apartment? But i still won't have someone to pick me up from the airport as required.
When you land in Israel you fill out an online quarantine registration form which allows you to take a taxi home. The private car thing is a MFA mistake.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Aaroncar on June 30, 2020, 08:32:55 AM
you can go to a government run hotel.
I believe you have to foot the bill,
However renting an apartment would be much cheaper and less painful IMO.
How would you get food in a rented apartment? And would the government hotel come out cheaper then regular hotel?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: nafnaf12 on June 30, 2020, 08:34:53 AM
How would you get food in a rented apartment? And would the government hotel come out cheaper then regular hotel?
there are plenty of delivery options for a minimal fee (30nis)
depending on location

I don't know the prices of the hotels so can't answer.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ytwes on June 30, 2020, 11:02:11 AM
I am a private caterer and have been doing this for years in Jerusalem. If you need meals delivered to a hotel please call me and I can provide menu and references. Highest level of Mehadrin Kosher. You can call US number 718-874-2764 or in Israel 054-844-8036.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Aaroncar on June 30, 2020, 02:13:47 PM
you can go to a government run hotel.
I believe you have to foot the bill,
However renting an apartment would be much cheaper and less painful IMO.
They sent me a form for staying at government hotel, but it says there i would have to foot the bill, any idea how much it comes out to?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on June 30, 2020, 02:25:52 PM
Israel won't reopen Aug. 1st
https://www.mako.co.il/news-money/2020_q2/Article-9e4ebcd40160371027.htm?utm_source=AndroidNews12&utm_medium=Share
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Baglach on June 30, 2020, 05:06:41 PM
How would you get food in a rented apartment? And would the government hotel come out cheaper then regular hotel?
Can't quarantine in a regular hotel
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Happyguy on June 30, 2020, 07:29:01 PM
They sent me a form for staying at government hotel, but it says there i would have to foot the bill, any idea how much it comes out to?
Contact Chaim Ve'Chesed, they are very knowledgeable about these things
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Aaroncar on July 01, 2020, 04:25:31 PM
On the health ministry website, it says israel foot's the bill, and doesn't make distinction between citizens and non citizens.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ein oid melvado on July 01, 2020, 06:41:37 PM
I'm applying for travel to Israel do to being married to Israeli
there requesting i send them a official letter from insurance quoting that they cover insurance in Israel due to covid-19
i tried a few companies to get such a letter with no success anyone can help me with advice where or which insurance would provide me with such a letter
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: a mirrer on July 02, 2020, 06:23:29 AM
I'm applying for travel to Israel do to being married to Israeli
there requesting i send them a official letter from insurance quoting that they cover insurance in Israel due to covid-19
i tried a few companies to get such a letter with no success anyone can help me with advice where or which insurance would provide me with such a letter
do you live in Israel or in the states? if in Israel do you have student visa?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ein oid melvado on July 02, 2020, 07:41:23 AM
do you live in Israel or in the states? if in Israel do you have student visa?

trying to get a visa to enter Israel currently I'm in the states
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on July 02, 2020, 07:48:22 AM
I'm applying for travel to Israel do to being married to Israeli
there requesting i send them a official letter from insurance quoting that they cover insurance in Israel due to covid-19
i tried a few companies to get such a letter with no success anyone can help me with advice where or which insurance would provide me with such a letter

PM sent.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ilherman on July 03, 2020, 02:55:26 PM
Israeli citizen who got married in israel to boy from Canada they have israeli marriage license and lived there for 2 years but have been living in the US for the past 2 years. Can they get ishur to enter Israel?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on July 03, 2020, 03:26:15 PM
Israeli citizen who got married in israel to boy from Canada they have israeli marriage license and lived there for 2 years but have been living in the US for the past 2 years. Can they get ishur to enter Israel?

For a visit?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ilherman on July 03, 2020, 04:55:26 PM
For a visit?
yes
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on July 03, 2020, 05:57:46 PM
yes

From what I understand that's a tough one, unless there's a specific close family reason. (Obviously, the Israeli citizen will be allowed in, but unless she has a positive PCR test followed by a negative PCR test, she will need to quarantine for 14 days, and won't even be allowed on a return flight before the 14 days are over, unless special permission is granted).
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on July 03, 2020, 06:02:10 PM
From what I understand that's a tough one, unless there's a specific close family reason. (Obviously, the Israeli citizen will be allowed in, but unless she has a positive PCR test followed by a negative PCR test, she will need to quarantine for 14 days, and won't even be allowed on a return flight before the 14 days are over, unless special permission is granted).
Would immediate family members of an Israeli citizen living in the US, be permitted to enter (and quarantine) for a medical emergency of a family member in Israel?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on July 03, 2020, 06:04:05 PM
Would immediate family members of an Israeli citizen living in the US, be permitted to enter (and quarantine) for a medical emergency of a family member in Israel?

Possibly, would need to apply with the Consulate IINM, and would probably have to pay for quarantine in a quarantine hotel.

The rule of thumb is: unless you have no personal, family, or financial obligations, don't try to enter Israel without knowing in advance what they will require and/or allow you to do.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ilherman on July 03, 2020, 06:17:02 PM
From what I understand that's a tough one, unless there's a specific close family reason. (Obviously, the Israeli citizen will be allowed in, but unless she has a positive PCR test followed by a negative PCR test, she will need to quarantine for 14 days, and won't even be allowed on a return flight before the 14 days are over, unless special permission is granted).
Thank you. If the husband has a positive and negetive pcr would it help for him as well?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on July 03, 2020, 06:20:53 PM
Thank you. If the husband has a positive and negetive pcr would it help for him as well?

That's a tough question IMHO. It probably all depends on the reason for the visit.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on July 03, 2020, 06:39:16 PM
Possibly, would need to apply with the Consulate IINM, and would probably have to pay for quarantine in a quarantine hotel.

The rule of thumb is: unless you have no personal, family, or financial obligations, don't try to enter Israel without knowing in advance what they will require and/or allow you to do.
Presumably they would quarantine in one room. Why do you assume they would have to pay?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: CRACKERJACK on July 04, 2020, 07:03:14 PM
Is there a way to apply for an Ishur (married to Israeli or yeshiva) before you leave Israel to make sure you can come back! Heard there valid for only two weeks and now that the rule is you have to be in America more then a month in order to get a ishur
Also is it two weeks from when applied or from when you get it?
How long does it take to get it?
Is it better to try get one from yeshiva or the consulate (Israeli spouse)?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Happyguy on July 04, 2020, 07:59:39 PM
From Chaim VeChesed - Remember this can change at any time

Apply a month before your flight - You must apply for a permit less than a month and more than 14 days before your scheduled flight.

Book a flight first - You must book a flight before applying. You must provide a copy of your flight ticket when applying for the permit.

Receive the permit (if approved) a week before your flight - You will receive your permit/s less than two weeks prior your scheduled flight. Usually about a week before.

Permits have an expiration date - If the government will approve your permit, it will expire sometime after your booked flight date.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ein oid melvado on July 05, 2020, 07:59:08 AM
For a visit?

according to what's quoted here they should be able to get into Israel
https://embassies.gov.il/new-york/ConsularServices/Pages/Spouse.aspx
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: MoMo22 on July 05, 2020, 11:34:42 PM
So is United the only way to get to Israel for Israeli Citizens ?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on July 05, 2020, 11:53:12 PM
So is United the only way to get to Israel for Israeli Citizens ?
From NY? DL
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: MoMo22 on July 06, 2020, 12:53:16 AM
From Mia.
I thought Dl is not flying ?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: moish on July 06, 2020, 04:38:44 PM
From Mia.
I thought Dl is not flying ?
They are
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Buruch on July 07, 2020, 01:29:36 PM
Married and have a student visa. Wife has accompanying-student visa. Misrad hapnim says that's not good enough, and she needs a student visa too. Is that true, or is the rep mistaken?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Mikes@Micro on July 07, 2020, 01:36:04 PM
Married and have a student visa. Wife has accompanying-student visa. Misrad hapnim says that's not good enough, and she needs a student visa too. Is that true, or is the rep mistaken?
She should be included in yours. Possibly you need to add her and maybe the embassy can do it.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: nafnaf12 on July 07, 2020, 01:39:43 PM
Married and have a student visa. Wife has accompanying-student visa. Misrad hapnim says that's not good enough, and she needs a student visa too. Is that true, or is the rep mistaken?
rep is mistaken

Why not go through your institution?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: boro boy on July 07, 2020, 01:41:04 PM
Married and have a student visa. Wife has accompanying-student visa. Misrad hapnim says that's not good enough, and she needs a student visa too. Is that true, or is the rep mistaken?
call your local israeli embassy
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Happyguy on July 07, 2020, 04:29:57 PM
rep is mistaken

Why not go through your institution?
+1
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Buruch on July 07, 2020, 06:55:53 PM
rep is mistaken

Why not go through your institution?

That's what the rep told the institution.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: moish on July 08, 2020, 06:04:44 AM
That's what the rep told the institution.
Big if true. Contact Chaim Vchesed
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: NTorch on July 09, 2020, 11:00:54 AM
Masa is saying that if you apply through them you can get a student visa, even for unmarried students.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Buruch on July 09, 2020, 11:37:36 AM
Masa is saying that if you apply through them you can get a student visa, even for unmarried students.

This is true. The chareidi politicians are angry about that because Masa doesn't work with yeshivas in general.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 09, 2020, 12:14:47 PM
Masa is saying that if you apply through them you can get a student visa, even for unmarried students.
A student visa doesn't equal entry permit
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Buruch on July 09, 2020, 12:50:07 PM
They are getting entry permits under Masa. Misrad Hapnim confirmed it, in addition to all the hoopla created by the chareidi MKs.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: jose34 on July 09, 2020, 05:18:26 PM
They are getting entry permits under Masa. Misrad Hapnim confirmed it, in addition to all the hoopla created by the chareidi MKs.
Seminaries that get MASA funding are getting their students in (student visas approved) ?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Mikes@Micro on July 09, 2020, 05:32:22 PM
Seminaries that get MASA funding are getting their students in (student visas approved) ?
MASA cancelled all funding for Americans if IRC
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: NTorch on July 09, 2020, 06:06:02 PM
MASA cancelled all funding for Americans if IRC

You are correct that the scholarships were curtailed, although not entirely eliminated. However, MASA is still arranging for student visas and entry permits for American students attending Yeshiva/Seminary in Israel.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Happyguy on July 09, 2020, 06:07:51 PM
MASA cancelled all funding for Americans if IRC
All future programs but not courses that have already started. Was in contact with MASA
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/282526

Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: jose34 on July 09, 2020, 07:09:52 PM
You are correct that the scholarships were curtailed, although not entirely eliminated. However, MASA is still arranging for student visas and entry permits for American students attending Yeshiva/Seminary in Israel.
So if there arranging for their students, shouldn't this solve some of the problem with student coming in since so many seminaries and yeshivas are under MASA?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Ergel on July 10, 2020, 02:39:15 AM
So if there arranging for their students, shouldn't this solve some of the problem with student coming in since so many seminaries and yeshivas are under MASA?
IF Masa is able to give them permits, yes. (It's probably easier for MASA to give permits to a few students attending a university rather than an entire sem/yeshiva). But, yes, yeshivos and seminaries are preparing for bringing in students via MASA
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: NTorch on July 10, 2020, 09:52:34 AM
So if there arranging for their students, shouldn't this solve some of the problem with student coming in since so many seminaries and yeshivas are under MASA?

IYH yes. My son's school told us to register with Masa and I did a Whatsapp Chat with them and they confirmed that they could do entry permits and student visas, that was why I posted it here yesterday.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Baglach on July 10, 2020, 10:41:51 AM
How do seminaries plan on doing quarantine, how about if there's 1 positive case and it gets shut down for 2 weeks where are they putting all girls?
Besides the fact I'd be surprised if girls even want to come next year it's pretty clear this won't be the best winter to be in Israel
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Ergel on July 10, 2020, 10:56:30 AM
How do seminaries plan on doing quarantine, how about if there's 1 positive case and it gets shut down for 2 weeks where are they putting all girls?
Besides the fact I'd be surprised if girls even want to come next year it's pretty clear this won't be the best winter to be in Israel
Schools are creating contingency plans for this. Leaving additional rooms open for anyone positive. And quarantining everyone else.
From the seminaries I have spoken to, they have more demand rather than less. Though that obviously could change
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yfr bachur on July 15, 2020, 12:55:54 PM
IF Masa is able to give them permits, yes. (It's probably easier for MASA to give permits to a few students attending a university rather than an entire sem/yeshiva). But, yes, yeshivos and seminaries are preparing for bringing in students via MASA

Until the Govt catches wind of it and starts scrutinizing the MASA applications/shuts the MASA loophole down.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Ergel on July 15, 2020, 02:22:14 PM
Until the Govt catches wind of it and starts scrutinizing the MASA applications/shuts the MASA loophole down.
I don't think they are doing it behind the government's back. They aren't a heimeshe organization
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 15, 2020, 02:33:26 PM
MASA is a government organization
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yaakov35 on July 15, 2020, 02:39:47 PM
Until the Govt catches wind of it and starts scrutinizing the MASA applications/shuts the MASA loophole down.
Lol what? Masa is part of the government and government funded... its not a loophole. Israel doesn't have a problem with foreigners coming in they're nervous about quarentine. If a school has it worked out the government has no issue. The reason they stopped letting after shavous is because guys didn't quarentine.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Mikes@Micro on July 15, 2020, 03:25:35 PM
How do seminaries plan on doing quarantine, how about if there's 1 positive case and it gets shut down for 2 weeks where are they putting all girls?
Besides the fact I'd be surprised if girls even want to come next year it's pretty clear this won't be the best winter to be in Israel
Why not lock the entire sem up for 2 weeks?

I'm pretty sure if all the seminaries get together they can find a Baal Tzedakah who would rent 20 Studio apartments as a contingency plan.

Assume the seminaries will have stricter rules about where / when you can go during free time to prevent positive tests.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ari3 on July 19, 2020, 08:07:13 PM
https://matzav.com/finally-yeshiva-and-seminary-students-to-be-able-to-return-to-israel-for-elul/
https://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2020/07/letter-from-a-seminary-in-eretz-yisroel.html

Anyone have any info on this? Is this real?

The timing seems odd with everything going on in EY right now
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yaakov35 on July 19, 2020, 09:02:27 PM


https://matzav.com/finally-yeshiva-and-seminary-students-to-be-able-to-return-to-israel-for-elul/
https://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2020/07/letter-from-a-seminary-in-eretz-yisroel.html



The timing seems odd with everything going on in EY right now
Why?
Got a similar letter from my sons yeshiva.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ari3 on July 19, 2020, 09:39:33 PM
Why?
Got a similar letter from my sons yeshiva.
Cases are rising they are in the midst of instituting new restrictions and lockdowns.

Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yaakov35 on July 19, 2020, 09:39:58 PM
Cases are rising they are in the midst of instituting new restrictions and lockdowns.
Whats that got with yeshiva?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 19, 2020, 09:40:34 PM
Israel didn't decide yet if restaurant & gyms can open on Tuesday, I would take any plans with a large pack of salt
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yesitsme on July 19, 2020, 11:33:23 PM
Schools are creating contingency plans for this. Leaving additional rooms open for anyone positive. And quarantining everyone else.
From the seminaries I have spoken to, they have more demand rather than less. Though that obviously could change
I was stuck in EY with mumps no one wanted to have me as a guest, I found someone that wasn't home for shabbos I took over his apt #HomeAlone
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Happyguy on July 20, 2020, 03:24:18 AM
Why?
Got a similar letter from my sons yeshiva.
Which yeshiva?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: jose34 on July 20, 2020, 05:25:46 AM
https://matzav.com/finally-yeshiva-and-seminary-students-to-be-able-to-return-to-israel-for-elul/
https://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2020/07/letter-from-a-seminary-in-eretz-yisroel.html

Anyone have any info on this? Is this real?

The timing seems odd with everything going on in EY right now
It seems like two separate things. The opening of the country and allowing people vs. Internal restrictions seem to have no connection.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 20, 2020, 04:32:04 PM
Israel didn't decide yet if restaurant & gyms can open on Tuesday, I would take any plans with a large pack of salt
News is now reporting restaurants will likely close from 05:00 per the government vote but at 09:45 the Corona Kenneset committee is expected to vote to reverse the rules
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yaakov35 on July 22, 2020, 09:40:35 AM
https://chaimvchessed.com/foreign-students-granted-entry-to-israel/
And its official. They're allowing entry
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Happyguy on July 22, 2020, 09:47:17 AM
https://chaimvchessed.com/foreign-students-granted-entry-to-israel/
And its official. They're allowing entry
It does say that not all institutions will qualify.
Wondering if students will want to come back and spend succos away from home? And those that decide to wait until after Yom Tov might make the Yeshivos/Seminaries decide to only open then because its not worth having half empty classes....
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ar on July 22, 2020, 11:57:18 PM
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/1885357/report-israel-may-open-its-skies-via-rapid-covid-19-tests-by-september.html

I think this will end up happening. They need the tourism desperately
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dan on July 23, 2020, 12:08:49 AM
How does it help if someone can take 10 days to turn positive?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dan on July 23, 2020, 12:15:12 AM
By taking 2 negative covid tests within 10 days (day 1 & 5-8) and then taking the 3rd at the airport
Which means you can get infected the day before you fly and test negative on everything.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yaakov35 on July 23, 2020, 12:19:30 AM
How does it help if someone can take 10 days to turn positive?
Takes 10 days to get infected? Thought its 10 days for symptoms to show..
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Mikes@Micro on July 23, 2020, 12:20:18 AM
Which means you can get infected the day before you fly and test negative on everything.
Maybe its statistically negligible?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ar on July 23, 2020, 12:26:59 AM
Might be pretty safe if you show two negative tests from the past 5 days, and you take a 3rd test at airport + quarantine for a few days.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ar on July 23, 2020, 12:28:52 AM
Which means you can get infected the day before you fly and test negative on everything.

Lol that's why I deleted my post. But I'm sure theres some creative way to manage this better.. just to close up until a vaccine is also not realistic
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Buruch on July 23, 2020, 06:01:50 AM
How does it help if someone can take 10 days to turn positive?

Obviously no guarantee, but let's say they figure it will weed out 90% of cases, it's worth it to open up to tourism etc.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on July 26, 2020, 07:33:29 AM
Lol that's why I deleted my post. But I'm sure theres some creative way to manage this better.. just to close up until a vaccine is also not realistic
The economy is tanking,  long term it's not sustainable.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yfr bachur on July 26, 2020, 09:58:24 AM
The current info in the Mir is that they are opening a campus for (at least some of) the bachurim in Switzerland.
The rumor is that the owners of the Arosa Hotel have rented/given it to the Mir until Pesach.
(based on emails that they sent out + conversations with some of the magidei shiur)
Unknown to me at this time, if this is just for European bachurim, or all chutznekim.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Happyguy on July 26, 2020, 10:24:24 AM
Sunstar Hotel Arosa?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yaakov35 on July 26, 2020, 10:31:35 AM
Been like this entire zman. Whole hotel is only bucherim.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 26, 2020, 10:35:37 AM
https://www.themarker.com/news/.premium-1.9020339
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: moish on July 26, 2020, 10:37:57 AM
The current info in the Mir is that they are opening a campus for (at least some of) the bachurim in Switzerland.
The rumor is that the owners of the Arosa Hotel have rented/given it to the Mir until Pesach.
(based on emails that they sent out + conversations with some of the magidei shiur)
Unknown to me at this time, if this is just for European bachurim, or all chutznekim.
I don't believe Americans are allowed into Switzerland, so that should be your answer
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 26, 2020, 03:10:20 PM
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/284205
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: kosherjid on July 26, 2020, 04:04:28 PM
The current info in the Mir is that they are opening a campus for (at least some of) the bachurim in Switzerland.
The rumor is that the owners of the Arosa Hotel have rented/given it to the Mir until Pesach.
(based on emails that they sent out + conversations with some of the magidei shiur)
Unknown to me at this time, if this is just for European bachurim, or all chutznekim.

Source please ?
Swiss bochurim are in Davos. Jeshive. Courtesy of Fam.Halpert.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on July 26, 2020, 04:43:28 PM
a family friend has Israeli citizenship,can he travel to Israel with his wife and kids who do not have Israeli  citizenship?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: chinagel on July 26, 2020, 04:51:25 PM
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/1885357/report-israel-may-open-its-skies-via-rapid-covid-19-tests-by-september.html

I think this will end up happening. They need the tourism desperately
Any thoughts on this?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Happyguy on July 26, 2020, 06:53:27 PM
a family friend has Israeli citizenship,can he travel to Israel with his wife and kids who do not have Israeli  citizenship?
Only if he currently resides in israel
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on July 26, 2020, 07:36:13 PM
If you guys think getting in and out of Israel is a hassle, it's a piece of cake compared to some other countries (such as Australia).
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 26, 2020, 08:12:17 PM
Any thoughts on this?
Very likely to happen IMO. The only problem is Israel cannot maintain the current trajectory for much longer before hospitals collapse (600-900 patients in serious condition)
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: chinagel on July 26, 2020, 09:41:10 PM
Very likely to happen IMO. The only problem is Israel cannot maintain the current trajectory for much longer before hospitals collapse (600-900 patients in serious condition)
Is there anyone in the government who is talking about the economic destruction?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ari3 on July 26, 2020, 10:45:52 PM
If you guys think getting in and out of Israel is a hassle, it's a piece of cake compared to some other countries (such as Australia).
I know someone who is from Australia who got married here a few weeks ago and his parents were not allowed to leave and were unable to attend
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ari3 on July 26, 2020, 10:49:45 PM
https://chaimvchessed.com/foreign-students-granted-entry-to-israel/
And its official. They're allowing entry
anyone hear anything about the requirements for this? Are they free after a 2 week quarantine or are the seminaries and yeshivos going to have to operate under a capsule system like some of the Israeli yeshivos are doing? I don't think that would make for a very pleasant seminary or yeshiva experience.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Proisrael on July 27, 2020, 03:03:40 AM
Very likely to happen IMO. The only problem is Israel cannot maintain the current trajectory for much longer before hospitals collapse (600-900 patients in serious condition)

Israel has 300 patients in serious condition. It dropped yesterday to under 300 bh.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: moish on July 27, 2020, 06:12:05 AM
Is there anyone in the government who is talking about the economic destruction?
Yeah, that's why the country isn't shut down despite record numbers of cases
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Happyguy on July 27, 2020, 07:04:23 AM
Mir asked all American/European Talmidim if they are interested to return to Israel under current regulations. Less than 10% were interested so they are thinking of opening a Yeshiva in the US for Americans and either in the UK or Switzerland for Europeans. Some of the current Ramim in Mir may relocate in order to continue teaching in the Mir.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Happyguy on July 27, 2020, 07:47:12 AM
Mir have confirmed that they are opening up a Yeshiva in Davos for Elul for Europeans
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: moish on July 27, 2020, 09:17:10 AM
Israel has 300 patients in serious condition. It dropped yesterday to under 300 bh.
I'm not sure where you get your info from, but according to the MOH, it hasn't been below 300 since July 23, and is rising
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: NTorch on July 27, 2020, 10:10:45 AM
The Yeshiva my son will iyh be attending in Elul just cleared 12 boys to enter August 3.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 27, 2020, 10:13:24 AM
Israel has 300 patients in serious condition. It dropped yesterday to under 300 bh.
And the system collapses at 600-900, so the current trajectory isn’t sustainable.
Hadassa & Shaari Tzedek already stopped accepting Covid patients, so people from Jlem are now being transported to Tel Aviv hospitals
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Ergel on July 27, 2020, 10:30:00 AM
And the system collapses at 600-900, so the current trajectory isn’t sustainable.
Hadassa & Shaari Tzedek already stopped accepting Covid patients, so people from Jlem are now being transported to Tel Aviv hospitals
Why does the health ministry keep just saying this? How have they not already built more capacity? Why just wait for it to happen?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 27, 2020, 11:09:52 AM
Why does the health ministry keep just saying this? How have they not already built more capacity? Why just wait for it to happen?
I guess the logic is that it's impossible to keep on building as the numbers surge and inevitably will need to lockdown to bring the numbers down, so may as well do it earlier rather than later. The earlier the lockdown comes, the shorter and more effective it can be.

My guess is Netanyahu is allowing chaos until Gantz caves on the one-year budget (which gives Bibbi an exit point to cancel the rotation and call elections in another year), then Israel will lockdown and bring the numbers back down. In the meantime he is priming public opinion by forming expert panels
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yfr bachur on July 27, 2020, 07:05:51 PM
Why does the health ministry keep just saying this? How have they not already built more capacity? Why just wait for it to happen?

This bothers me too, but one answer might be that it takes time to train more doctors and nurses - you may be able to quickly convert any building to hospital beds, but you need to staff it.
The only way to get more staff quickly is to transfer from other duties - nurses in kupot cholim, psyc wards, schools - but even this is limited (have you ever been to a mirpa: nurses are only there till 9 or 10 am) and would still require some sort of retraining - plus I would guess that Israeli union rules would make it difficult to do anyway.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Happyguy on July 27, 2020, 07:25:16 PM
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Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yzj on July 28, 2020, 08:58:00 AM
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/featured/1887167/crisis-brewing-thousands-of-yeshiva-bochrim-and-seminary-girls-may-have-no-where-to-go-in-3-weeks.html
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Happyguy on July 28, 2020, 09:08:42 AM
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/featured/1887167/crisis-brewing-thousands-of-yeshiva-bochrim-and-seminary-girls-may-have-no-where-to-go-in-3-weeks.html
Why is it more of a problem then what's been going on from after Pesach? The article makes it seems as if it's a new problem not a continuing one.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: bobeli on July 28, 2020, 12:26:58 PM
Does anyone know how the quarantine works in Israel now?
How do you know when you can go out?
If you arrive 5pm do they count that as 1 day? Or 14 days means 24 hours?
Are they coming to see you? Call you?

Can anyone recommend a house with a pool for quarantine?
Tia
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Ergel on July 28, 2020, 12:31:44 PM
Does anyone know how the quarantine works in Israel now?
How do you know when you can go out?
If you arrive 5pm do they count that as 1 day? Or 14 days means 24 hours?
Are they coming to see you? Call you?

Can anyone recommend a house with a pool for quarantine?
Tia
My understanding is that it's 14*24 hours
They come to see you
But that the entire ministry is in complete disarray, so who knows.

House with a pool will be very very expensive now. Good luck finding something nice
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: NTorch on July 28, 2020, 12:32:40 PM
Does anyone know how the quarantine works in Israel now?
How do you know when you can go out?
If you arrive 5pm do they count that as 1 day? Or 14 days means 24 hours?
Are they coming to see you? Call you?

Can anyone recommend a house with a pool for quarantine?
Tia

This sounds like a Meseches Niddah question about Me'es L'Es or M'Pekidah L'Pekidah.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: jose34 on July 28, 2020, 12:41:33 PM
Why is it more of a problem then what's been going on from after Pesach? The article makes it seems as if it's a new problem not a continuing one.
It kind of is. After Pesach they were just finishing the year so too finish a year not such a problem. Now you have whole new group of girls and guys that don't know what to do since they were planning on going to Israel....
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: oldguy on July 28, 2020, 02:16:19 PM
Does anybody know if it's possible to travel to Israel to visit a dr there (with a dr's note recommending them to travel)
Also is it possible for a couple to fly to for the husband to learn in Yeshiva there for the 1st time? or they are only working now with single Bucharim and dormitories?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 28, 2020, 02:23:29 PM
Does anybody know if it's possible to travel to Israel to visit a dr there (with a dr's note recommending them to travel)
Try your luck with the LA consulate
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: oldguy on July 28, 2020, 02:25:30 PM
Try your luck with the LA consulate
LA is better than NY?
and which one is better, a DR's note or Student? Bot are true, he's going  for a dr and plans to be there as student
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Ergel on July 28, 2020, 02:27:37 PM
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/284351
Uh...what took them 4 months to come up with this "plan"?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 28, 2020, 02:32:47 PM
LA is better than NY?
and which one is better, a DR's note or Student? Bot are true, he's going  for a dr and plans to be there as student
Yes. Consulate would handle doctor story, students are handled in Israel by the school.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: oldguy on July 28, 2020, 02:34:16 PM
Yes. Consulate would handle doctor story, students are handled in Israel by the school.
Thank you!
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: mijo on August 03, 2020, 03:58:17 AM
https://www.ynet.co.il/Ext/Comp/CdaNewsFlash/0,2297,L-5775222_184,00.html

   פרופסור גמזו אישר מתווה כניסה לארץ ל-17 אלף סטודנטים ותלמידי ישיבות

פרויקטור הקורונה, פרופסור רוני גמזו, אישר את כניסתם לארץ של 17,000 סטודנטים ותלמידי ישיבות שיגיעו לתקופת לימודים ממושכת. ההגעה תתאפשר רק ללומדים במוסדות שאושרו על ידי משרד הבריאות. הנכנסים, בהם לא רק סטודנטים ותלמידי ישיבות, אלא גם משתתפי תוכניות מסע ונע"לה, יידרשו בבידוד לאורך שבועיים בעת הגעתם. כניסתם תתפרס על פני השבועות הקרובים והפעימות יתואמו עם משרד הבריאות ורשות ההגירה והאוכלוסין.

(אדיר ינקו)

Seems like good news for those that need it
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: jose34 on August 03, 2020, 10:35:41 AM
https://www.ynet.co.il/Ext/Comp/CdaNewsFlash/0,2297,L-5775222_184,00.html

   פרופסור גמזו אישר מתווה כניסה לארץ ל-17 אלף סטודנטים ותלמידי ישיבות

פרויקטור הקורונה, פרופסור רוני גמזו, אישר את כניסתם לארץ של 17,000 סטודנטים ותלמידי ישיבות שיגיעו לתקופת לימודים ממושכת. ההגעה תתאפשר רק ללומדים במוסדות שאושרו על ידי משרד הבריאות. הנכנסים, בהם לא רק סטודנטים ותלמידי ישיבות, אלא גם משתתפי תוכניות מסע ונע"לה, יידרשו בבידוד לאורך שבועיים בעת הגעתם. כניסתם תתפרס על פני השבועות הקרובים והפעימות יתואמו עם משרד הבריאות ורשות ההגירה והאוכלוסין.

(אדיר ינקו)

Seems like good news for those that need it
The question the seminaries are facing is what happens after this time- will students be allowed to freely go around the country.... If not it all nice and everything that there allowing them to come but it does not really help anything.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Buruch on August 03, 2020, 11:06:34 AM
From the Govt standpoint, once they finish quarantine, they're like any other Israeli.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on August 03, 2020, 11:17:23 AM
From the Govt standpoint, once they finish quarantine, they're like any other Israeli.

So why make a fuss to begin with, if it's that simple?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: moish on August 03, 2020, 11:21:19 AM
Which still means a capsule system. Not fun.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: moish on August 03, 2020, 11:22:09 AM
So why make a fuss to begin with, if it's that simple?
The issue was nobody taking responsibility for their quarantine and making sure they would be adhering to the capsule system
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Yonah on August 03, 2020, 12:01:53 PM


One of my sons is going, I"H
https://www.ynet.co.il/Ext/Comp/CdaNewsFlash/0,2297,L-5775222_184,00.html

   פרופסור גמזו אישר מתווה כניסה לארץ ל-17 אלף סטודנטים ותלמידי ישיבות

פרויקטור הקורונה, פרופסור רוני גמזו, אישר את כניסתם לארץ של 17,000 סטודנטים ותלמידי ישיבות שיגיעו לתקופת לימודים ממושכת. ההגעה תתאפשר רק ללומדים במוסדות שאושרו על ידי משרד הבריאות. הנכנסים, בהם לא רק סטודנטים ותלמידי ישיבות, אלא גם משתתפי תוכניות מסע ונע"לה, יידרשו בבידוד לאורך שבועיים בעת הגעתם. כניסתם תתפרס על פני השבועות הקרובים והפעימות יתואמו עם משרד הבריאות ורשות ההגירה והאוכלוסין.

(אדיר ינקו)

Seems like good news for those that need it
One of my sons is I"H going in 3 weeks. Some of his friends yeshivos left yesterday. He showed me a text from a friend with a picture of him in NATBAG. I told him "That's nice, but I'm still not going to believe it until you send me one of those yourself".

I heard of one yeshiva taking an interesting approach - they can only handle so many students in quarantine, so they're having students come in waves - i.e. 1/3 left last night, 1/3 in two weeks, and 1/3 in 4 weeks.

Which still means a capsule system. Not fun.

Yes, but probably more fun than not going :) 

We were talking to a friend in shul who told us "If you need a place to go for Shabbos, you can visit my brother". I just laughed and said I don't think that they're going to have an 'off' shabbos for quite some time.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Buruch on August 03, 2020, 12:05:15 PM
So why make a fuss to begin with, if it's that simple?

The issue was letting in potentially thousands of infected people.
As far as I know, at this point it's not much of a risk. Hasn't Corona already gone through and run its course already in all the large frum communities where almost all the students are coming from?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: jose34 on August 03, 2020, 12:35:16 PM
From the Govt standpoint, once they finish quarantine, they're like any other Israeli.
Not from what I'm hearing. Seminaries are talking about restricting their students the whole year.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on August 03, 2020, 12:44:32 PM
The issue was letting in potentially thousands of infected people.
As far as I know, at this point it's not much of a risk. Hasn't Corona already gone through and run its course already in all the large frum communities where almost all the students are coming from?

I guess it depends where the students are coming from? If BP, WB, CH, or KJ, then yes, I'd say the risk is low (I'm not exactly sure what the situation is in LKWD). If it's from other communities, the risk could be just as high as all other Israelis, with the only added risk coming from being in an airplane for many hours.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Happyguy on August 03, 2020, 01:53:25 PM
Email from Mir

  Dear Parents.
I’m happy to share with you another update that hopefully will answer many of your questions that I have received over the past few days. The Yeshiva is now waiting for a final approval of the following plan which we are hoping will come any day בעזרת ה'.
Flight
·         Bochurim will need to fly on direct flights to Eretz Yisroel together with the 6 roommates they will be spending the first 2 weeks together with, on specific dates which we will share with them as soon as they get an entry permit.
·         Please note! You will need to bring your original birth certificate with you when crossing the border to Israel.
·         A bus will be waiting for the bochurim in the airport and bring them to the campus that the yeshiva has rented for the first 2 weeks.
First 2 weeks
The Talmidim will be staying throughout the first 2 weeks in a nice spacious campus near Yam Hamelach. The Yeshiva will iy”H do its utmost to provide the Bochurim with all of their needs.
Every group of 6 bochurim will have a separate room for 14 days.
Meals will be provided in their rooms.
We will בעז"ה  be able to have porch Minyonim whereby the Bochurin in each room will stand on their own porches and see all others.
There will be a special learning schedule for these 2 weeks along with shiurim from the rebbeim iy"H.
Back to Yeshiva
Capsule means a group which will stay together throughout the zman. The Yeshiva will be divided to groups of up to 50 bochurim in each capsule all of which from the same shiur.
After 2 weeks the talmidim will return to Beis Yisroel and will be learning in the Yeshiva’s בתי מדרשות, residing in nearby diros and receiving packaged food from the Yeshivah. Every Shiur will be its own capsule, having its own section in the Beis Medresh, own diros and their own dining room for שבתות וימים טובים. (as there will be no allowance for Shabbos Seudos outside of the capsule)
There will be no need to wear masks or social distancing while in these capsule areas.
   Bochurim will not be able to leave the Beis Yisroel neighborhood including Shabbos Seudos.
Within the Beis Yisroel neighborhood, Bochurim will be able to walk around and make necessary purchases while wearing masks and practicing social distancing. Any crowded area such as the shtiblach will be prohibited. Any bochur with specials need that will require leaving the Beis Yisroel neighborhood will need to receive special permission from the appointed person(s) who will be responsible for overseeing this matter.
The Yeshiva is trying bez”H to provide each capsule the possibility to exercise outside the Beis Yisroel neighborhood every week.
Fees
There is a one-time fee of $650 for the 2 weeks in Ein Gedi besides the regular tuition charges for the year.
Every Talmid will need to submit a $1,500 check which will be deposited only if Chalila a talmid violates any of the rules. This will be used to purchase an immediate flight back to his parents.
Please understand, that this is both a matter ofפיקוח נפש  and being very strictly regulated by the Israeli government. If חלילה  a bochur violates any of the rules, he is endangering the rest of the Bochurim, risking a tremendous chilul hashem, and jeopardizing all of the Bochurims rights to remain in ארץ ישראל. For the above reasons the Yeshiva will have a zero-tolerance policy, while trying to create the most comfortable and conducive environment for the Bochurim to Shteig.
Succos and winter
At the present moment it seems that bochurim will be able to be on their own (within Eretz Yisroel) over Succos Bein Hazmanim as long as they keep to the general Israeli health restrictions (e.g. masks, social distancing etc.)
As a reminder if you haven’t done so yet please click the following link https://forms.gle/LPFHw8383h4uqnid6 to apply for an entry permit. Please bear in mind that this might be the only opportunity to obtain an entry permit in the near future.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Yonah on August 03, 2020, 02:00:10 PM
Not from what I'm hearing. Seminaries are talking about restricting their students the whole year.

Even the schools aren't, I imagine that there will be other restrictions in place - I can't imagine throngs of these kids hanging out on Ben Yehuda or the Shuk anytime soon. As I mentioned above, we're not even sure at what point the schools would be comfortable giving them an out shabbos, and even then, are the people they would potentially stay by also have an issue hosting them?

Truthfully, I can't imagine kids being allowed to go anywhere off campus at least until succos. It would be interesting to see what yeshivos and seminaries do for what is normally vacation time - it's not like many kids have family coming to visit for Yom Tov

Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: oldguy on August 06, 2020, 03:14:54 PM
I have a US resident trying to apply for a Permit to fly to Israel, Part of the requirements is proof of insurance for Covid-19 there. Even though Travel guard covers for Covid-19, They don't want to give me a letter stating that. Does anybody know of a insurance company that would provide a letter stating that the passenger is covered?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ah giten on August 06, 2020, 03:38:02 PM
Israeli citizen returning to Israel needs to quarantine? Can a negative Covid test or antibodies help? And is quarantine still in the hotels or can stay home?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on August 06, 2020, 04:20:30 PM
Israeli citizen returning to Israel needs to quarantine? Can a negative Covid test or antibodies help? And is quarantine still in the hotels or can stay home?

I guess you've not been following....

Officially the only way to avoid quarantine is to have a positive COVID-19 test followed by two negative tests. Though with the new policy to be implemented in 10 days I don't see why this shouldn't change. But don't count on anything being done logically.

As far as guaranteeing at home, if I understand correctly it might be possible.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Buruch on August 06, 2020, 04:33:14 PM
Definitely can quarantine at home. If there are other people who didn't travel living there, I believe the traveler would have to be quarantined in one room.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ah giten on August 06, 2020, 08:27:32 PM
I guess you've not been following....

Officially the only way to avoid quarantine is to have a positive COVID-19 test followed by two negative tests. Though with the new policy to be implemented in 10 days I don't see why this shouldn't change. But don't count on anything being done logically.

As far as guaranteeing at home, if I understand correctly it might be possible.
I've been following, but I guess I wasn't.
I did know about the posotive and then 2 negatives. But didn't know there's a new policy being implemented in 10 days.

So, I guess my question was, is the old policy of a + then 2 -'s still in place?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on August 06, 2020, 09:38:15 PM
I've been following, but I guess I wasn't.
I did know about the posotive and then 2 negatives. But didn't know there's a new policy being implemented in 10 days.

So, I guess my question was, is the old policy of a + then 2 -'s still in place?

Just ask @aygart, I'm sure he has the most up to date information.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: aygart on August 06, 2020, 11:02:40 PM
Just ask @aygart, I'm sure he has the most up to date information.

That would be this
don't count on anything being done logically.

Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: flyingace on August 06, 2020, 11:05:59 PM
At the present moment it seems that bochurim will be able to be on their own (within Eretz Yisroel) over Succos Bein Hazmanim as long as they keep to the general Israeli health restrictions (e.g. masks, social distancing etc.)
Is there clarity regarding this? Are seminaries also anticipating that after Succos the girls will be free to move around?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Buruch on August 07, 2020, 04:35:09 AM
It's all up to the schools. From the government's standpoint, they can go out like any israeli citizen.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: flyingace on August 07, 2020, 09:49:43 AM
It's all up to the schools. From the government's standpoint, they can go out like any israeli citizen.
That doesn't seem to be the case with the yeshivas in the capsule system this past zman.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on August 07, 2020, 03:40:29 PM
I guess you've not been following....

Officially the only way to avoid quarantine is to have a positive COVID-19 test followed by two negative tests. Though with the new policy to be implemented in 10 days I don't see why this shouldn't change. But don't count on anything being done logically.

As far as guaranteeing at home, if I understand correctly it might be possible.
what new policy are you referring to?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on August 07, 2020, 06:33:47 PM
what new policy are you referring to?

Allowing Israelis to travel to "green" countries without quarantining upon return.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: aygart on August 09, 2020, 06:38:18 PM
Would spending 2 weeks in a "green" country allow a foreigner into Israel without a need to quarantine again?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on August 09, 2020, 07:25:02 PM
Would spending 2 weeks in a "green" country allow a foreigner into Israel without a need to quarantine again?

What if said "green" country changes colors within the 2 week stay?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Happyguy on August 09, 2020, 07:40:29 PM
Would spending 2 weeks in a "green" country allow a foreigner into Israel without a need to quarantine again?
Knowing Israel probably not or maybe it depends who is in duty at the airport when you check in ;) ;)
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on August 11, 2020, 12:41:11 AM
N12 reported today the proposed Aug 16 reopening is only for Israeli citizens returning from the green countries
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on August 11, 2020, 01:30:19 AM
N12 reported today the proposed Aug 16 reopening is only for Israeli citizens returning from the green countries

Regurgitating "news"

#SecondWave
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on August 11, 2020, 05:45:53 AM
N12 reported today the proposed Aug 16 reopening is only for Israeli citizens returning from the green countries
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-shasha-biton-open-skies-on-august-16-wont-happen-1001338870
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Yosel on August 12, 2020, 10:06:32 PM
my son has a permit to go back from the USA to Israel, do they require you to travel on a direct flight?? (that's what i am told by our yeshiva travel agent) or can he travel with a 1-1 1/2 hour with BA?? JFK-LHR-TLV of course for less then half the price........ appriciate first hand knowledge . THANKS
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Yikes2179 on August 12, 2020, 10:53:01 PM
my son has a permit to go back from the USA to Israel, do they require you to travel on a direct flight?? (that's what i am told by our yeshiva travel agent) or can he travel with a 1-1 1/2 hour with BA?? JFK-LHR-TLV of course for less then half the price........ appriciate first hand knowledge . THANKS
My son's yeshiva is doing a group flight with a stop in Toronto
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yaakov35 on August 12, 2020, 11:25:33 PM
my son has a permit to go back from the USA to Israel, do they require you to travel on a direct flight?? (that's what i am told by our yeshiva travel agent) or can he travel with a 1-1 1/2 hour with BA?? JFK-LHR-TLV of course for less then half the price........ appriciate first hand knowledge . THANKS
He can stop np.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Buruch on August 13, 2020, 05:30:50 AM
There are no governmental restrictions on any routing he wants to take. Any restrictions are from the yeshiva.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Happyguy on August 13, 2020, 07:22:34 AM
Part of a letter sent to Mir European Parents

As previously communicated, Yeshivas Mir is inviting all of its Talmidim to Eretz Yisroel for the אלול זמן הבלע"ט.

For those who would prefer not to travel to Eretz Yisroel at this time, the Yeshiva is setting up a Beis Hamedresh in Amsterdam for Elul Zman to which all Talmidim are invited. Reb Yoel Rabin shlita will be’H lead the Beis Hamedrash and will be joined by choshuve Mirrer meishivim.

The venue is the Ibis Budget Amsterdam City South hotel. This is situated within the frum Jewish community in Amsterdam. All activities will take place in the hotel. There are government, local community and hotel Covid-related rules that will need to be adhered to.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: kosherjid on August 13, 2020, 01:18:23 PM
Davos in Switzerland.  Family with six children from E'Y.  Went on a outing.  Came back, the police were waiting.
They were not in  Bidud.  The parents with the children have to pay a bill.  Fr. 56.000.-- !!!! 

Hard to believe. 
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on August 13, 2020, 01:20:18 PM
Davos in Switzerland.  Family with six children from E'Y.  Went on a outing.  Came back, the police were waiting.
They were not in  Bidud.  The parents with the children have to pay Fr. 56.000.-- !!!

Wow. So these were Israelis that entered Switzerland with what kind of passport, and what was the quarantine requirement?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on August 13, 2020, 01:20:51 PM
Davos in Switzerland.  Family with six children from E'Y.  Went on a outing.  Came back, the police were waiting.
They were not in  Bidud.  The parents with the children have to pay Fr. 56.000.-- !!!
Source?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: kosherjid on August 13, 2020, 01:24:53 PM
Source:  Heard it last week, and today someone got a whatsupp. 
Hard to believe.  Better to be careful, don't try it out....
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: kosherjid on August 13, 2020, 01:25:27 PM
Wow. So these were Israelis that entered Switzerland with what kind of passport, and what was the quarantine requirement?
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Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: kosherjid on August 14, 2020, 10:29:19 AM
Again I don't know if its true, but I heard today from Israel, that they are collecting money for
this family to be able to pay the bill. (matching)
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on August 14, 2020, 10:30:13 AM
Again I don't know if its true, but I heard today from Israel, that they are collecting money for
this family to be able to pay the bill. (matching)
What happens if they don't pay? Put them all in jail?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: nafnaf12 on August 14, 2020, 10:38:14 AM
What happens if they don't pay? Put them all in jail?
there is no such thing as not paying a fine in Switzerland lol
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on August 14, 2020, 10:45:25 AM
there is no such thing as not paying a fine in Switzerland lol
Lol.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: kosherjid on August 14, 2020, 10:49:09 AM
What happens if they don't pay? Put them all in jail?

https://www.dw.com/en/austria-suspended-sentence-for-woman-who-broke-quarantine/a-54270660   This happened in Austria, not far from Switzerland.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ari3 on August 14, 2020, 11:31:18 AM
What happens if they don't pay? Put them all in jail?
for starters not let them leave
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dan on August 14, 2020, 11:34:48 AM
Source:  Heard it last week, and today someone got a whatsupp. 
Hard to believe.  Better to be careful, don't try it out....
Any news coverage? Pictures?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on August 14, 2020, 12:41:56 PM
for starters not let them leave
The land borders are open. Switzerland may arrest upon landing there in the future though
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: bb_sam on August 16, 2020, 09:56:48 AM
From today's announcement that travelling from a "green" country won't require isolation in Israel -- the Israeli government's website seems to suggest that foreign nationals ARE allowed in provided they have a letter from their local consulate.  With that letter coupled with arriving from a green country -- you would not need to self isolate. 

https://www.gov.il/en/Departments/Guides/flying-to-israel-guidlines

Does anyone know how to get such a letter from a local consulate?  What are the requirements??
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dan on August 16, 2020, 09:57:51 AM
From today's announcement that travelling from a "green" country won't require isolation in Israel -- the Israeli government's website seems to suggest that foreign nationals ARE allowed in provided they have a letter from their local consulate.  With that letter coupled with arriving from a green country -- you would not need to self isolate. 

https://www.gov.il/en/Departments/Guides/flying-to-israel-guidlines

Does anyone know how to get such a letter from a local consulate?  What are the requirements??
https://www.dansdeals.com/points-travel/israel/israel-will-begin-lift-mandatory-quarantine-sunday-path-eligible-americans-enter-israel-without-quarantine/
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: bb_sam on August 17, 2020, 10:37:22 AM
https://www.timesofisrael.com/new-rules-to-ease-tourist-visits-coming-by-months-end-health-official-says/

Some hope for those of us in Green countries.....
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yesitsme on August 17, 2020, 10:15:25 PM
https://www.dansdeals.com/points-travel/israel/israel-will-begin-lift-mandatory-quarantine-sunday-path-eligible-americans-enter-israel-without-quarantine/
why isn't NY a green country?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ari3 on August 17, 2020, 10:18:11 PM
why isn't NY a green country?
if it was you would have people coming from FL and TX to NY to fly
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yesitsme on August 17, 2020, 10:19:33 PM
if it was you would have people coming from FL and TX to NY to fly
they should request a NYC ID card
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: shulemw on August 17, 2020, 11:21:49 PM
ID doesnt help show where you had been in the last 2 weeks
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Afrages6 on August 17, 2020, 11:22:23 PM
ID doesnt help show where you had been in the last 2 weeks
Same way it wouldn’t help with a Canadian passport
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: shulemw on August 17, 2020, 11:31:11 PM
On that they can see if you where outside Canada in last 2 weeks and to where but on a US passport with NYC ID how can they know if you where not in Florida in last 2 weeks
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: jose34 on August 18, 2020, 10:09:09 AM
Is someone allowed to transit through CDG on the way to TLV?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on August 27, 2020, 08:03:28 AM
are you allowed to leave Israel to a green country  and return without a permit, or you still need a permit?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on August 27, 2020, 08:11:27 AM
are you allowed to leave Israel to a green country  and return without a permit, or you still need a permit?
You still need to have a permit or israeli citizenship.
It's been reported to be under review but no change announced as far as I know
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yfr bachur on August 27, 2020, 08:12:14 AM
Can a student visa holder visit Taba?
Its used to be the easiest way to get new blue paper to rent cars/drive other that a short trip to Cyprus
(I know that its not technically legal)
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on August 27, 2020, 08:12:29 AM
You still need to have a permit or israeli citizenship.
It's been reported to be under review but no change announced as far as I know
thanks
when was it to be announced?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: moish on August 27, 2020, 08:43:53 AM
Can a student visa holder visit Taba?
Its used to be the easiest way to get new blue paper to rent cars/drive other that a short trip to Cyprus
(I know that its not technically legal)
Last I heard, Taba border is closed
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: jose34 on August 27, 2020, 11:14:51 AM
Does a person flying M"S from America with an ishur/ student visa need to fill out this form: https://govforms.gov.il/mw/forms/Quarantine@health.gov.il
and get an it approved before he boards the flight to Israel?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on August 27, 2020, 01:12:36 PM
Does a person flying M"S from America with an ishur/ student visa need to fill out this form: https://govforms.gov.il/mw/forms/Quarantine@health.gov.il
and get an it approved before he boards the flight to Israel?
you need an ishur, student visa is not enough.
you can fill it out 24 before the flight or when you land.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: jose34 on August 27, 2020, 01:31:12 PM
Has an Ishur.
That what I thought. You can fill it out when your waiting in the passport line and get it approved on the spot, correct?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on August 27, 2020, 02:20:59 PM
Has an Ishur.
That what I thought. You can fill it out when your waiting in the passport line and get it approved on the spot, correct?
you have to go a table sit down and they fill it out for you.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Happyguy on August 27, 2020, 02:42:09 PM
Has an Ishur.
That what I thought. You can fill it out when your waiting in the passport line and get it approved on the spot, correct?
You save yourself about an hour that way!
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ah giten on August 27, 2020, 10:14:23 PM


Officially the only way to avoid quarantine is to have a positive COVID-19 test followed by two negative tests.
what forms do I need to fill out for this? and do I need to give them notice in advance or I can show up at the airport with the supporting documents?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ah giten on August 27, 2020, 10:39:00 PM
what forms do I need to fill out for this? and do I need to give them notice in advance or I can show up at the airport with the supporting documents?
If somebody can help, it's pretty urgent.
TIA
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on August 27, 2020, 10:50:04 PM
You first go into quarantine then submit the documents to MoH to cancel it
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ah giten on August 27, 2020, 10:54:27 PM
You first go into quarantine then submit the documents to MoH to cancel it
So for now I fill out the standard form https://govforms.gov.il/mw/forms/HouseIsolation%40health.gov.il?displang=en

correct?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on August 28, 2020, 02:50:00 AM
So for now I fill out the standard form https://govforms.gov.il/mw/forms/HouseIsolation%40health.gov.il?displang=en

correct?
yes
I do not think there is a way to just show up and not quarantine, you must go in to quarantine and send the misrad habriut all your tests.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ah giten on August 28, 2020, 02:53:42 AM
yes
I do not think there is a way to just show up and not quarantine, you must go in to quarantine and send the misrad habriut all your tests.
Finally found it written clearly here (https://chaimvchessed.com/quarantine-exemption-process/).
"
All returnees from abroad must observe 14 days of strict quarantine (https://chaimvchessed.com/urgent-quarantine-must-be-observed-by-returnees/). As we have previously reported (https://chaimvchessed.com/quarantine-exemption-misinformation/), there are many rumors, and much misinformation regarding exemptions from quarantine.
The only way to exit quarantine early is by receiving an official, written exemption from the Ministry of Health. There has been considerable confusion about how this process works. The Chaim V’Chessed Medical Department, headed by Mrs. Nechama Nulman and Mrs. Shani Warsager, has held extensive discussions with senior Health Ministry staff on this matter, and we are now pleased to provide detailed instructions for this process.
Exemptions are only possible for those who have previously tested positive for Corona, with a PCR test, then tested negative abroad with a PCR test, and finally, have tested negative again, in Israel. Having antibodies is irrelevant.
If you have the above three test results, you must obtain a letter from a doctor in Israel, in which the doctor recommends that you be exempted from quarantine.
Once you have all the above, download and fill out this document (https://chaimvchessed.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/quarantine-exemption.docx). Fill out a separate form for each family member. Then email the document, along with all of your test results and the doctors recommendation to bidud[member=23435]Moh[/member].gov.il.
You should receive a response within 48 hours. Until you receive a written exemption from the Health Ministry, you must remain in quarantine."
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: bobeli on August 28, 2020, 09:17:40 AM
If you have a lab results of a positive then a negative for corona and you are lucky that magen David is by the airport when you are, AFTER you go through the quarantine forms and passports, by the exit before the suitcases. Magen David checks your lab paper and does a corona test on the spot (again they are not always there) you can exit quarantine when you get the results if you test negative.
Please note that regulations change and you can’t huca.
It also seams that if you quarantine in not so mainstream area (not yerushalaim or tlv) more like raanana, Ashdod, etc. They don’t check on you. But ymmv.
Also be nice and relaxed by the quarantine person because they profile you and if they think you are a trouble maker they check you more.
Good luck
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on August 30, 2020, 04:02:58 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Qkym3fT.png)
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on August 30, 2020, 04:14:43 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/BU9QHZE.png)
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on August 30, 2020, 04:15:34 PM
For updated list:
English:  https://www.gov.il/en/Departments/DynamicCollectors/green-red-countries?skip=0
Hebrew:  https://www.gov.il/he/Departments/DynamicCollectors/green-red-countries?skip=0
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Ergel on September 22, 2020, 10:24:23 AM
Yup, I really don't see borders opened before Chanukkah, the earliest
Was this to aggressive? I don't see a scenario that we are open by Chanukah :cry:
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dan on September 22, 2020, 01:15:36 PM
Was this to aggressive? I don't see a scenario that we are open by Chanukah :cry:
Sadly, yes.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: elazarmn on September 22, 2020, 03:31:44 PM
Sadly, yes.
What about students. Will they start that up again??
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yfr bachur on September 23, 2020, 06:30:53 AM
What about students. Will they start that up again??

Your guess is as good as mine, though I think that it will be much harder to convince them to resume allowing students now.
They've seen what the compliance rate is...
If we know that they don't check up on marrieds bidud, the corona team also know that...
Also the infection rate is much higher now.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Happyguy on September 23, 2020, 06:53:36 AM
The Coronavirus Cabinet is set to convene at 2:00 p.m. Wednesday to discussed Netanyahu’s request for new regulations for the lockdown.

The restrictions Netanyahu is expected to ask the Coronavirus Cabinet include the partial closure of Ben Gurion International Airport, limiting it to arriving flights while banning departures; the closure of synagogues; limitations on public protests; and the closure of much of the private sector economy.

In addition, the government is expected to request that recently retired physicians return to work to assist hospitals in handling coronavirus patients.


https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/287788
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on September 24, 2020, 01:39:10 PM
Ynet is predicting that Bibi is about to annonce the full closure of Ben Gurion Airport until after the hagim, except for emergency flights.

Bibi is scheduled to make a speech in 10mn
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on September 24, 2020, 01:46:53 PM
Ynet is predicting that Bibi is about to annonce the full closure of Ben Gurion Airport until after the hagim, except for emergency flights.

Bibi is scheduled to make a speech in 10mn
Hopefully when they open it, they'll open it for everybody with tests or something. Hard reset to the old policy.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dan on September 24, 2020, 02:20:35 PM
Ynet is predicting that Bibi is about to annonce the full closure of Ben Gurion Airport until after the hagim, except for emergency flights.

Bibi is scheduled to make a speech in 10mn
Anything? Closing TLV seems to be the rumor that won't die.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dan on September 24, 2020, 02:20:55 PM
(https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2020/09/Screen-Shot-2020-09-24-at-20.38.45-e1600969277312-640x400.png)
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on September 24, 2020, 02:22:59 PM
Anything? Closing TLV seems to be the rumor that won't die.
No. Bibbi doesn't ever announce specifics because it's subject to kenneset ratification, which he can't be sure of
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on September 24, 2020, 02:34:19 PM
Anything? Closing TLV seems to be the rumor that won't die.

My guess - TLV closes for YK every year. This year they might start a little early and end a little later.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on September 24, 2020, 02:36:58 PM
My guess - TLV closes for YK every year. This year they might start a little early and end a little later.
Lol
I'm happy ynet was wrong..
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ttn on September 25, 2020, 07:30:19 AM
Anything? Closing TLV seems to be the rumor that won't die.
https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/coroanvirus-passengers-allowed-to-fly-as-long-they-bought-tickets-before-lockdown-643552
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on September 25, 2020, 08:20:36 AM
https://m.ynet.co.il/articles/58023040
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on September 25, 2020, 10:37:40 AM
Fromal goverment decision today

ב. לא תותר יציאה ממקום המגורים לטיסה, למעט אחת מהסיבות הבאות בלבד:

*לפעולה או למטרה המותרת לפי התקנות (כגון לצורך רפואי)

*בנוסף, ועל מנת שלא לפגוע בהסתמכות של הנוסעים שרכשו כרטיסי טיסה עד ליום זה, תותר טיסה של מי שרכש כרטיס טיסה עד להיום 25.9.20, לכל צורך.

*ייקבע מנגנון של אישורים חריגים על-ידי מנכ"ל משרד התחבורה, לגבי טיסה של אדם שאינה לאחד הצרכים המותרים, ולמי שרכש כרטיס אחרי התאריך שנקבע (25.9).
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on September 25, 2020, 10:51:46 AM
Fromal goverment decision today

ב. לא תותר יציאה ממקום המגורים לטיסה, למעט אחת מהסיבות הבאות בלבד:

*לפעולה או למטרה המותרת לפי התקנות (כגון לצורך רפואי)

*בנוסף, ועל מנת שלא לפגוע בהסתמכות של הנוסעים שרכשו כרטיסי טיסה עד ליום זה, תותר טיסה של מי שרכש כרטיס טיסה עד להיום 25.9.20, לכל צורך.

*ייקבע מנגנון של אישורים חריגים על-ידי מנכ"ל משרד התחבורה, לגבי טיסה של אדם שאינה לאחד הצרכים המותרים, ולמי שרכש כרטיס אחרי התאריך שנקבע (25.9).

Haphazard make it up as you go rules.

IINM they couldn't get any law passed, so it's all up to government instated emergency regulations.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dan on September 25, 2020, 10:54:41 AM
Fromal goverment decision today

ב. לא תותר יציאה ממקום המגורים לטיסה, למעט אחת מהסיבות הבאות בלבד:

*לפעולה או למטרה המותרת לפי התקנות (כגון לצורך רפואי)

*בנוסף, ועל מנת שלא לפגוע בהסתמכות של הנוסעים שרכשו כרטיסי טיסה עד ליום זה, תותר טיסה של מי שרכש כרטיס טיסה עד להיום 25.9.20, לכל צורך.

*ייקבע מנגנון של אישורים חריגים על-ידי מנכ"ל משרד התחבורה, לגבי טיסה של אדם שאינה לאחד הצרכים המותרים, ולמי שרכש כרטיס אחרי התאריך שנקבע (25.9).

Link?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on September 25, 2020, 11:04:40 AM
Link?

Let me teach you how to do it:

Highlight the sentence. Right click on it, and then choose "Search Google for..."

https://www.0404.co.il/?p=662485

And many more

BTW. People are still buying insurance policies for visit to the US.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ah giten on September 25, 2020, 01:09:53 PM
Does this include us citizens? Doesn't say.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on September 25, 2020, 01:14:17 PM
Does this include us citizens? Doesn't say.
If they're not excluded, they're included. It's part of the general lockdown provisions which apply to anybody in Israel and citizenship is irrelevant. The government order allows for the Director General of the Transportation Ministry to allow exemptions, however those aren't in place yet. Travel, including flying, is still permitted for a vast list of essential needs from medical care to assistance to the elderly.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on September 25, 2020, 01:23:59 PM
Link?
Official gov't archive:

https://rfa.justice.gov.il/SearchPredefinedApi/Documents/xKWjPGeVw1skVzKd6s1gC51UxqS/HIYNroF453Kq5xo=


Quote
יציאת אדם לטיסה משדה תעופה עד 8 שעות לפני מועד
המראת הטיסה ובלבד שהתקיים אחד מאלה:
(1) הטיסה היא למטרה שפורטה בתקנה זו;
(2) הנוסע רכש כרטיס טיסה עד יום ז' בתשרי התשפ"א (25 בספטמבר 2020) ויש לו אישור בכתב על רכישת כרטיס הטיסה במועד כאמור;
(ב) על אף האמור בפסקת משנה (א)(2), המנהל הכללי של משרד התחבורה רשאי לאשר לאדם לצאת ממקום המגורים לטיסה גם אם כרטיס הטיסה נרכש אחרי המועד כאמור באותה פסקה, אם נמצא לדעתו כי צורך הומניטרי או צורך אישי מיוחד מצדיק זאת; החלטה
לעניין אישור כאמור תהיה בכתב ומנומקת;
(ג) אין בהוראות פסקה זו כדי למנוע מאדם לצאת לטיסה שלא משדה תעופה למטרה שפורטה בתקנה זו;";

There is a possibility the Supreme Court will rule the government order isn't legal (it also prohibits leaving ones city of residence for a protest), however the kenneset will ratify it shortly thereafter.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 12, 2020, 11:51:24 AM
Apparently deliberations are underway right now to finally consider antibody tests as proof of prior infection.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ah giten on October 12, 2020, 11:59:58 AM
Apparently deliberations are underway right now to finally consider antibody tests as proof of prior infection.
I heard from a friend that didn't need to quarantine, with just the antibody test.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 12, 2020, 12:29:36 PM
I heard from a friend that didn't need to quarantine, with just the antibody test.

There have been such exceptions made (does he reside in EY and a member of Kupat Cholim? That makes a huge difference)? But due to publicity and some attempts using forged documentation, they have cracked down and weren't making any more exceptions. The need for exceptions might change very shortly.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ah giten on October 12, 2020, 12:31:59 PM
There have been such exceptions made (does he reside in EY and a member of Kupat Cholim? That makes a huge difference)? But due to publicity and some attempts using forged documentation, they have cracked down and weren't making any more exceptions. The need for exceptions might change very shortly.
yes
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 12, 2020, 02:05:15 PM
yes

That makes a world of a difference.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 13, 2020, 10:57:10 PM
Finally antibody tests officially recognized.


(https://gyazo.com/0c5fc519ce94ed515c3ac6386732a822.jpg)

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Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on October 14, 2020, 12:34:38 AM
Does that apply to non-resident as well?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 14, 2020, 12:36:55 AM
Does that apply to non-resident as well?

Based on the way I read #5 it applies to anyone who is allowed to enter the country and would otherwise be required to quarantine.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dan on October 14, 2020, 12:51:08 AM
English version?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 14, 2020, 12:52:13 AM
English version?

Anyone paying me to translate?

ETA: for the purpose of this thread I think only #5 is relevant. I might find time tomorrow at the office to do it.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: iwlw2 on October 14, 2020, 10:58:03 AM
English version?
Cant do the whole thing, but since his main point is #5, here it is (loose translation):
Confirmation of recovery based on tests from Chu"l- Someone who arrives in Israel from outside it, and would be required to quarantine based on the regulations, who has in their possession a report of illness from a foreign country (a report of a positive test via pCR, or of antibodies or seological report of COVID19) which demonstrates illness 10 days or earlier prior to their arrival, will be tested at arrival with a srological test to confirm the test. To be clear, in every circumstance according to the regulations this person will be requires to be in quarantine until the are confirmed to have recovered as stated above. If the report this perons has from Chu"l confirms an illness within the previous 10 days, the person will be quarantined and be freed from it only after being confirmed as recovered as a definite infected person, without removing his requirement not to get on a flight while he is confirmed sick so long as he was not confirmed to have recovered.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 14, 2020, 11:22:21 AM
I'm not sure of the implications, but DW just called me that upon entry she handed her passport, boarding pass, and health declaration/authorization to board at passport control, and was let in without any further questioning or instructions. She specifically asked the border control agent "what about quarantine?" and was told "you came from a green state, no need". At some point (I think it was after DW asked about quarantine) the agent asked her when she had COVID-19, and when DW responded "right after Purim" the agent said, "oh, that's a long time ago, you're good to go".
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on October 14, 2020, 12:00:22 PM
I'm not sure of the implications, but DW just called me that upon entry she handed her passport, boarding pass, and health declaration/authorization to board at passport control, and was let in without any further questioning or instructions. She specifically asked the border control agent "what about quarantine?" and was told "you came from a green state, no need". At some point (I think it was after DW asked about quarantine) the agent asked her when she had COVID-19, and when DW responded "right after Purim" the agent said, "oh, that's a long time ago, you're good to go".
I came from a green country yesterday, and was asked lots of questions about me having be to red country.. they also checked all the pages of my passport for stamps etc
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dan on October 14, 2020, 12:06:32 PM
Cant do the whole thing, but since his main point is #5, here it is (loose translation):
Confirmation of recovery based on tests from Chu"l- Someone who arrives in Israel from outside it, and would be required to quarantine based on the regulations, who has in their possession a report of illness from a foreign country (a report of a positive test via pCR, or of antibodies or seological report of COVID19) which demonstrates illness 10 days or earlier prior to their arrival, will be tested at arrival with a srological test to confirm the test. To be clear, in every circumstance according to the regulations this person will be requires to be in quarantine until the are confirmed to have recovered as stated above. If the report this perons has from Chu"l confirms an illness within the previous 10 days, the person will be quarantined and be freed from it only after being confirmed as recovered as a definite infected person, without removing his requirement not to get on a flight while he is confirmed sick so long as he was not confirmed to have recovered.
So Israel will do antibody tests to confirm? Where will that be done?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Moishebatchy on October 14, 2020, 12:21:06 PM
I'm not sure of the implications, but DW just called me that upon entry she handed her passport, boarding pass, and health declaration/authorization to board at passport control, and was let in without any further questioning or instructions. She specifically asked the border control agent "what about quarantine?" and was told "you came from a green state, no need". At some point (I think it was after DW asked about quarantine) the agent asked her when she had COVID-19, and when DW responded "right after Purim" the agent said, "oh, that's a long time ago, you're good to go".

Where was she coming from?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Ergel on October 14, 2020, 05:02:23 PM
Does that mean they will offer antibody tests in Israel? They haven't been offering them at all up until now
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 14, 2020, 05:35:22 PM
So Israel will do antibody tests to confirm? Where will that be done?

We were told in advance that it would be done at the airport (for a charge). However, as I said, DW walked up to the immigration agent, handed her passport was asked where she was coming from, to which she responded Brooklyn, NY, was asked which flight she's coming off, to which she gave the DL flight information, was asked for the boarding authorization, and was let in. When DW asked about quarantine, she was told she didn't need to. I really don't know what happened, was this some kind of an error, was it based on info previously provided, but she was definitely not sent to quarantine!
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 14, 2020, 05:37:03 PM
Does that mean they will offer antibody tests in Israel? They haven't been offering them at all up until now

They are offering them under limited circumstances (10 days after confirmed recovery from COVID-19 IINM, or in order to verify antibodies for someone coming from overseas with no other proof of previously having COVID-19 other than a foreign antibody test).
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Ergel on October 14, 2020, 05:38:11 PM
They are offering them under limited circumstances (10 days after confirmed recovery from COVID-19 IINM, or in order to verify antibodies for someone coming from overseas with no other proof of previously having COVID-19 other than a foreign antibody test).
Will ask my doctor if they are offering to the hamon am
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: aygart on October 14, 2020, 05:47:00 PM
Finally antibody tests officially recognized.

So now no need to re-expose yourself?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dan on October 14, 2020, 05:56:52 PM
We were told in advance that it would be done at the airport (for a charge). However, as I said, DW walked up to the immigration agent, handed her passport was asked where she was coming from, to which she responded Brooklyn, NY, was asked which flight she's coming off, to which she gave the DL flight information, was asked for the boarding authorization, and was let in. When DW asked about quarantine, she was told she didn't need to. I really don't know what happened, was this some kind of an error, was it based on info previously provided, but she was definitely not sent to quarantine!
Did she provide antibody test documentation?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 14, 2020, 07:26:46 PM
Did she provide antibody test documentation?

They didn't ask for it. She had it ready.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 14, 2020, 07:28:29 PM
So now no need to re-expose yourself?

Unofficially.

Based on the official rules they will want to do their own antibody test. Can't take a risk of it coming too low.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: shulemw on October 14, 2020, 07:51:01 PM
Dont be so afraid of officially needing to be in quarantine.

I came back recently from israel the quarantine in NYC is more strict then israel

NYC called me every day to ask if im quarantined. ..just asked but they did something

in israel nobody called nobody came to check. you don't even need to write a building number where you go. Nothing
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ari3 on October 14, 2020, 08:53:01 PM
Dont be so afraid of officially needing to be in quarantine.

I came back recently from israel the quarantine in NYC is more strict then israel

NYC called me every day to ask if im quarantined. ..just asked but they did something

in israel nobody called nobody came to check. you don't even need to write a building number where you go. Nothing
Someone I know returned to EY before RH. I asked him what he is going to do about quarantine. He told me my phone will quarantine.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 14, 2020, 10:30:58 PM
Someone I know returned to EY before RH. I asked him what he is going to do about quarantine. He told me my phone will quarantine.
What if someone has no Israeli phone.

I know of people who were visited to confirm quarantine.

DW is lucky to have been expressly told that she doesn't need to quarantine. Ignorance is bliss. All of this is especially true given the places she is visiting. She is doing so without fear knowing that she isn't infecting anyone. The quarantine would have been a formality, and a pure nuisance (at best).
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Ergel on October 15, 2020, 01:27:36 PM
Will ask my doctor if they are offering to the hamon am
Still not available via the kupot cholim :(
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ari3 on October 18, 2020, 12:02:28 PM
So Israel will do antibody tests to confirm? Where will that be done?
https://matzav.com/attention-israel-arrivals-antibody-tests-now-accepted-for-quarantine-exemptions/

They list a few places you can get the test.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ari3 on October 18, 2020, 12:07:24 PM
We were told in advance that it would be done at the airport (for a charge). However, as I said, DW walked up to the immigration agent, handed her passport was asked where she was coming from, to which she responded Brooklyn, NY, was asked which flight she's coming off, to which she gave the DL flight information, was asked for the boarding authorization, and was let in. When DW asked about quarantine, she was told she didn't need to. I really don't know what happened, was this some kind of an error, was it based on info previously provided, but she was definitely not sent to quarantine!
Did they give that in writing that she doesn't need to quarantine? I would imagine someone getting busted breaking quarantine and saying "but the officer at the airport told me I don't need to quarantine" without any proof isn't going to fly.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 18, 2020, 12:17:55 PM
Did they give that in writing that she doesn't need to quarantine? I would imagine someone getting busted breaking quarantine and saying "but the officer at the airport told me I don't need to quarantine" without any proof isn't going to fly.
In Israel is usually works the other way. The immigration officer doesn't allow people in before they register on MoH website as being subject to quarantine.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ari3 on October 18, 2020, 12:28:28 PM
In Israel is usually works the other way. The immigration officer doesn't allow people in before they register on MoH website as being subject to quarantine.
I was under the impression you fill out the quarantine form before you leave and everyone coming from a red country is subject to quarantine till they get their negative test. (I have a relative going who has a positive antibody test with a negative covid test and am trying to understand the process).
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 18, 2020, 01:27:42 PM
I was under the impression you fill out the quarantine form before you leave and everyone coming from a red country is subject to quarantine till they get their negative test. (I have a relative going who has a positive antibody test with a negative covid test and am trying to understand the process).
That's the way it should work.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 19, 2020, 03:54:16 AM
Somewhat related to this thread, possibly more so to "would you fly now" or "when will air travel resume" threads, but I'm not up to searching for them now, and I'm no @TimT

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-19/iata-working-with-who-and-civil-aviation-body-on-testing-regime?srnd=premium
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 19, 2020, 06:54:48 AM
The Israeli government announced today that  the Health Ministry list of people in quarantine will be synced with the border control to stop anybody in quarantine from leaving Israel.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on October 19, 2020, 07:01:48 AM
The Israeli government announced today that  the Health Ministry list of people in quarantine will be synced with the border control to stop anybody in quarantine from leaving Israel.
It was about time
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 19, 2020, 08:02:01 AM
The Israeli government announced today that  the Health Ministry list of people in quarantine will be synced with the border control to stop anybody in quarantine from leaving Israel.

Is there any way to check the list?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 19, 2020, 08:28:31 AM
It was about time
I would be surprised if it works as advertised. I bet the border officers would need to cross reference the quarantine list manually
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: flyingace on October 19, 2020, 08:30:46 AM
I would be surprised if it works as advertised. I bet the border officers would need to cross reference the quarantine list manually
Does anyone know if this is only for Israeli citizens  or will include those entering the country?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: flyingace on October 19, 2020, 09:36:59 AM
Another question:
Does anyone know how to apply for an ishur for business related reasons?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 19, 2020, 09:44:21 AM
Another question:
Does anyone know how to apply for an ishur for business related reasons?
Local consulate
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 19, 2020, 09:44:53 AM
Is there any way to check the list?
I guess you can call them (use the pretense of asking when quarantine is over)
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 19, 2020, 12:18:42 PM
I guess you can call them (use the pretense of asking when quarantine is over)

א שאלה איז טרף

My source in EY just sent me a voicenote saying that the implementation of the procedure to allow exit from isolation based on antibody tests has been postponed by two weeks. I haven't yet seen anything written.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Ergel on October 19, 2020, 01:11:58 PM
א שאלה איז טרף

My source in EY just sent me a voicenote saying that the implementation of the procedure to allow exit from isolation based on antibody tests has been postponed by two weeks. I haven't yet seen anything written.
Interesting...the seminary my wife works in said the girls who have antibodies are not patur from bidud, only the girls who tested positive. I guess that's based on the above
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: avromie7 on October 19, 2020, 01:27:29 PM
Dont be so afraid of officially needing to be in quarantine.

I came back recently from israel the quarantine in NYC is more strict then israel

NYC called me every day to ask if im quarantined. ..just asked but they did something

in israel nobody called nobody came to check. you don't even need to write a building number where you go. Nothing
In NY if you don't fill out any papers they don't know you need to quarantine. In Israel people were caught, including someone who left his phone but they tracked his rav kav.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: shulemw on October 20, 2020, 09:03:18 AM
I did not fill out any papers when arrived to NY and they still called me vs. israel that I filled out detailed papers and nobody called
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: IsraelDeals on October 20, 2020, 09:10:41 AM
So officially, if you have an anti-body test, you can skip quarantine (even form a red country), but otherwise, they may or may not check on you during your quarantine. If you decide not to keep it... then don't bring your phone along as they can triangulate the location.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dawie on October 20, 2020, 09:37:55 AM
2 points for Bachurim travelling
Instructions for Ishur not clear
Lines of people waiting to get on planes missing crucial documents, very frustrating
Besides the Ishur, you need to fill out and Entry Clearance and an Isolation Report
The instructions for the Ishur only mention the Isolation report....

In Israel the authorities are telling the Bachurim there is no testing for antibodies to shorten the Bidud and no such facilities in the airport... there clearly is... they said it's meant for them
a couple guys did try it and the clinic said they will call them in 4 days to tell them if they can shorten quarantine (dont wait by the phone?) also they may have had the positive and negative test

Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 20, 2020, 09:38:50 AM
So officially, if you have an anti-body test, you can skip quarantine (even form a red country), but otherwise, they may or may not check on you during your quarantine. If you decide not to keep it... then don't bring your phone along as they can triangulate the location.

How are they going to triangulate a phone they have no information about (put GV phone number on the form)?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on October 20, 2020, 10:07:42 AM
Somewhat related to this thread, possibly more so to "would you fly now" or "when will air travel resume" threads, but I'm not up to searching for them now, and I'm no @TimT

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-19/iata-working-with-who-and-civil-aviation-body-on-testing-regime?srnd=premium
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=116922.0

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=115725.0
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on October 20, 2020, 10:11:39 AM
https://chaimvchessed.com/antibody-tests-now-accepted-for-quarantine-exemptions/

https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/featured/1911652/new-israel-changes-rules-for-those-arriving-antibodies-exemptions-suspended.html
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 20, 2020, 11:16:04 AM
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/featured/1911652/new-israel-changes-rules-for-those-arriving-antibodies-exemptions-suspended.html

As I wrote.
My source in EY just sent me a voicenote saying that the implementation of the procedure to allow exit from isolation based on antibody tests has been postponed by two weeks. I haven't yet seen anything written.

Seemingly the reasons are bureaucratic/financial with disagreement over who will get the contract for the testing, logistics, etc. So the process is valid, but there's no practical implementation (though Chaim V'Chesed write that Health Ministry told them that one can go out of quarantine to have the test done, as long as not in a hospital setting). DW, realizing that her being told she doesn't need to quarantine might have been inaccurate went to Hadassah Medical to have it done. Despite being told that an appointment is reqired, they see people on a first come first served basis even without an appointment, so she had a long wait. They said results within 24 hours.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 20, 2020, 11:45:25 AM
And here it is in writing.

(https://i.imgur.com/NdOXsll.png)
אנטיסמיטן!
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Jack out of the box on October 21, 2020, 08:04:27 PM
As I wrote.
Seemingly the reasons are bureaucratic/financial with disagreement over who will get the contract for the testing, logistics, etc. So the process is valid, but there's no practical implementation (though Chaim V'Chesed write that Health Ministry told them that one can go out of quarantine to have the test done, as long as not in a hospital setting). DW, realizing that her being told she doesn't need to quarantine might have been inaccurate went to Hadassah Medical to have it done. Despite being told that an appointment is reqired, they see people on a first come first served basis even without an appointment, so she had a long wait. They said results within 24 hours.
Covid tests here are only PCR and the system is run only by MADA. There is a low-cost, highly accurate, instant test invented in Israel but it's not being used in Israel - it's being tested in European airports. I often wonder why here there is only one option but for some strange reason my mind always wanders towards "politics".
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 21, 2020, 09:26:57 PM
Covid tests here are only PCR and the system is run only by MADA. There is a low-cost, highly accurate, instant test invented in Israel but it's not being used in Israel - it's being tested in European airports. I often wonder why here there is only one option but for some strange reason my mind always wanders towards "politics".
I let out my frustration about this today to someone high up in a certain large Israeli municipality. I told him that if this is resolved, his city would benefit from a tourism influx from thousands who previously had Covid-19 but never got a positive PCR test.

He told me he is passing on my message to some contacts at the ministry of interior. He said if anything could be accomplished it would be there. He said the ministry of health is a total mess and chaos, it's impossible to get anything reasonable from them.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 21, 2020, 11:19:11 PM
Here's another interesting DP.

I know of someone who traveled from Australia to EY this week. Given the scarcity of flights, and many restrictions on interline connections, it ended up being on two separate tickets, with the first being from Australia to IST, and a separate ticket from IST to TLV.

Current regulations say that if you came from a "green" country you don't need to quarantine. However, when obtaining the boarding permission onto the flight arriving in TLV, one puts that flight number. So the permission slip said the person was flying from Australia on a TK flight number. That person was not required to quarantine as there was no exiting of the terminal building (I don't know how they might be able to track that, other than relying on passenger statement.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: flyingace on October 23, 2020, 09:22:52 AM
Any recent DP on people leaving Israel before the official 14 days are up? If you have a letter clearing you from quarantine do they still make you stay at least 14 days?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 23, 2020, 09:51:37 AM
Any recent DP on people leaving Israel before the official 14 days are up? If you have a letter clearing you from quarantine do they still make you stay at least 14 days?

They definitely don't allow you to go on a flight, even if a few hours short of 14 days. As of this week they will also fine you.

When one has a פטור מבידוד letter there's no issue (did someone say immunity passport?)
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on October 25, 2020, 12:09:56 PM
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-ban-on-foreigners-entering-israel-to-be-eased-1001346850
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 25, 2020, 12:17:26 PM
Any recent DP on people leaving Israel before the official 14 days are up? If you have a letter clearing you from quarantine do they still make you stay at least 14 days?

Not about exiting the country, but SIL who is the only one in DW's family to have had a positive PCR test from the spring, entered EY and was told to quarantine. Supposedly once she gets a negative PCR test in EY she can exit quarantine. Police came to check on her today.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 25, 2020, 12:22:02 PM
Not about exiting the country, but SIL who is the only one in DW's family to have had a positive PCR test from the spring, entered EY and was told to quarantine. Supposedly once she gets a negative PCR test in EY she can exit quarantine. Police came to check on her today.
She has a TZ number?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 25, 2020, 12:31:43 PM
She has a TZ number?

Yes
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Boruch Parnes on October 25, 2020, 12:48:40 PM
Extended again untill dec 1
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 25, 2020, 01:37:51 PM
Yes
AFAIK Police don’t come to people who don’t have TZ. Their system doesn’t log it
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dan on October 25, 2020, 01:41:43 PM
Is there a full list of Green countries?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on October 25, 2020, 01:42:33 PM
Is there a full list of Green countries?
https://www.gov.il/en/Departments/DynamicCollectors/green-red-countries
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dan on October 25, 2020, 01:51:45 PM
https://www.gov.il/en/Departments/DynamicCollectors/green-red-countries
Spins around and errors out for me.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: AsherO on October 25, 2020, 01:53:55 PM
Spins around and errors out for me.

Try again? It just loaded for me.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on October 25, 2020, 01:56:46 PM
Try again? It just loaded for me.
+1. I've been using this link for weeks
On the phone you sometime have to manually type 'green' in the current status field
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 25, 2020, 01:57:49 PM
https://www.gov.il/en/Departments/DynamicCollectors/green-red-countries

UAE is green. Expect TLV-UAE traffic to shatter records.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on October 25, 2020, 01:58:51 PM
UAE is green. Expect TLV-UAE traffic to shatter records.
I've been saying that for weeks  ;) and it will remain green for a very long time for political reasons imho
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 25, 2020, 01:59:05 PM
AFAIK Police don’t come to people who don’t have TZ. Their system doesn’t log it

You can't have your cake and eat it too. No TZ might be harder to obtain entry permission (though in her case it would have probably been granted - but it's irrelevant).
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dan on October 25, 2020, 02:00:46 PM
Try again? It just loaded for me.
Nothing on desktop or mobile :(
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dan on October 25, 2020, 02:01:09 PM
+1. I've been using this link for weeks
On the phone you sometime have to manually type 'green' in the current status field
Nope.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dan on October 25, 2020, 02:13:15 PM
Any other routes besides DXB for US-Israel without quarantine?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yfr bachur on October 25, 2020, 02:13:54 PM
Nope.

works here in israel
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: username on October 25, 2020, 02:54:13 PM
Green:
Australia Canada  Cyprus  Denmark  Estonia  Fiji  Finland  Germany  Greece  Honk Kong  Iceland Italy Japan Latvia  Lithuania New Zealand Norway, Rwanda Serbia  Seychelles  Singapore  South Korea Taiwan  Thailand, UAE Uruguay
 
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: kosherjid on October 25, 2020, 04:00:41 PM
Green:
Australia Canada  Cyprus  Denmark  Estonia  Fiji  Finland  Germany  Greece  Honk Kong  Iceland Italy Japan Latvia  Lithuania New Zealand Norway, Rwanda Serbia  Seychelles  Singapore  South Korea Taiwan  Thailand, UAE Uruguay

Germany ?!? Italy ?!? How is this possible ?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 25, 2020, 05:26:40 PM
Germany ?!? Italy ?!? How is this possible ?

Everything is subject to change and could get updated. UK recently went from green to red.

Most importantly. Don't expect anything to make sense. You won't have any questions.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Baglach on October 26, 2020, 04:29:17 AM
UAE is green. Expect TLV-UAE traffic to shatter records.
https://passportnews.co.il/טירוף-איחוד-האמירויות-תוך-מספר-שעות-יש/
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on October 26, 2020, 08:57:23 AM
Any other routes besides DXB for US-Israel without quarantine?

Green:
Australia Canada  Cyprus  Denmark  Estonia  Fiji  Finland  Germany  Greece  Honk Kong  Iceland Italy Japan Latvia  Lithuania New Zealand Norway, Rwanda Serbia  Seychelles  Singapore  South Korea Taiwan  Thailand, UAE Uruguay

Doesnt look like it
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: kosherjid on October 26, 2020, 02:34:29 PM
Everything is subject to change and could get updated. UK recently went from green to red.

Most importantly. Don't expect anything to make sense. You won't have any questions.

Sie reisen aus einem Risikogebiet nach Deutschland ein? Dann müssen Sie einen negativen Corona-Test vorlegen oder sich direkt nach Ankunft nach Hause - oder an Ihren Zielort - begeben und zwei Wochen lang isolieren (häusliche Quarantäne). Und Sie müssen sich sofort bei Ihrem zuständigen Gesundheitsamt melden. Das Corona-Testergebnis darf höchstens 48 Stunden alt sein.

Entering Germany from at risk country, you have to show a negative C-Test, not more than 48 hold or be in Quarantene for two weeks. Report to the health department immediately. 
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 26, 2020, 03:45:17 PM
Sie reisen aus einem Risikogebiet nach Deutschland ein? Dann müssen Sie einen negativen Corona-Test vorlegen oder sich direkt nach Ankunft nach Hause - oder an Ihren Zielort - begeben und zwei Wochen lang isolieren (häusliche Quarantäne). Und Sie müssen sich sofort bei Ihrem zuständigen Gesundheitsamt melden. Das Corona-Testergebnis darf höchstens 48 Stunden alt sein.

Entering Germany from at risk country, you have to show a negative C-Test, not more than 48 hold or be in Quarantene for two weeks. Report to the health department immediately.

Your point being? Isn't that an old (in the COVID-19 world) policy?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: kosherjid on October 26, 2020, 05:16:40 PM
Your point being? Isn't that an old (in the COVID-19 world) policy?

It's dated 26.10.2020
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: cubicles on October 26, 2020, 05:19:13 PM
Austria
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 26, 2020, 08:05:49 PM
It's dated 26.10.2020

Did anything change from what it was a month ago?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on October 27, 2020, 11:50:06 AM

סוף לבלגן הקורונה בנתב"ג? עמדות בדיקה לנגיף הקורונה הותקנו, כך אנו מפרסמים היום (שני), עבור הנוסעים והשבים דרך נמל התעופה בן גוריון. מחיר הבדיקות, שינותחו במעבדה שתיבנה בהמשך בנמל התעופה, יעמוד על כ-50 שקלים בלבד. במשרד הבריאות עדיין לא אישרו את המעבדה המדוברת, שיכולה לפתור בעיות רבות


https://mobile.mako.co.il/news-lifestyle/2020_q4/Article-2e3364152066571026.htm&utm_source=Whatsapp&utm_medium=Share
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: kosherjid on October 28, 2020, 02:03:34 PM
Did anything change from what it was a month ago?

From 29.10. anyone can travel freely to Switzerland, from any country, no quarantine required.
Besides four countries, Belgium, Andorra, Armenien, Tschechien.  These have to quarantine.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dan on October 28, 2020, 02:21:33 PM
From 29.10. anyone can travel freely to Switzerland, from any country, no quarantine required.
Besides four countries, Belgium, Andorra, Armenien, Tschechien.  These have to quarantine.
Source?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on October 28, 2020, 02:24:32 PM
From 29.10. anyone can travel freely to Switzerland, from any country, no quarantine required.
Besides four countries, Belgium, Andorra, Armenien, Tschechien.  These have to quarantine.
Switzerland is still a red country from an Israeli standpoint
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 28, 2020, 03:26:48 PM
From 29.10. anyone can travel freely to Switzerland, from any country, no quarantine required.
Besides four countries, Belgium, Andorra, Armenien, Tschechien.  These have to quarantine.

Armenia and Czech Republic don't deserve an English translation?  ;)
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on October 28, 2020, 03:27:44 PM
Armenia and Czech Republic don't deserve an English translation?  ;)
LOL
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: kosherjid on October 29, 2020, 04:27:09 AM
Source?

https://www.travelnews.ch/tourismuswelt/17370-die-quarantaenepflicht-entfaellt-bis-auf-weiteres-fuer-die-meisten-laender.html

Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 29, 2020, 04:40:33 AM
https://www.travelnews.ch/tourismuswelt/17370-die-quarantaenepflicht-entfaellt-bis-auf-weiteres-fuer-die-meisten-laender.html

Antisemiten

Quote
Besetztes Palästinensisches Gebiet


Official source (in English):
https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/en/home/krankheiten/ausbrueche-epidemien-pandemien/aktuelle-ausbrueche-epidemien/novel-cov/empfehlungen-fuer-reisende/quarantaene-einreisende.html#1355154378
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on October 29, 2020, 04:43:12 AM
Why are we talking about Switzerland in this thread?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: jose34 on November 08, 2020, 10:44:50 AM
Regarding getting a permit for a Simcha like a birth etc..., what's the realistic time from sending in the documents to receiving the permit?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on November 09, 2020, 02:40:40 PM
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001348619

Covid-19 testing facilities at LLBG to open tomorrow, but no effect on incoming traffic (due to political reasons).

In other political news, a ruling that would have allowed Eilat and Dead Sea hotels to open was withdrawn prior to the vote because the final version would have included the option to add other locations that would fit the criteria.

#MostPoliticizedVirusEver
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on November 09, 2020, 02:44:46 PM
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001348619

Covid-19 testing facilities at LLBG to open tomorrow, but no effect on incoming traffic (due to political reasons).

#MostPoliticizedVirusEver
14 hours to get the results (for the cheaper test).. do they expect people to spend the day in LLBG ahead of their flights?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on November 09, 2020, 02:49:41 PM
14 hours to get the results (for the cheaper test).. do they expect people to spend the day in LLBG ahead of their flights?

They clearly write that it's an option for people to obtain a lower cost test prior to the day of travel.

Not sure if the right hashtag for this is #Chelem or #Sdom
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dawie on November 09, 2020, 03:08:24 PM
They clearly write that it's an option for people to obtain a lower cost test prior to the day of travel.

Not sure if the right hashtag for this is #Chelem or #Sdom
that would depend on if you're going to the Dead sea or Tel Aviv
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yungermanchik on November 09, 2020, 03:14:17 PM
that would depend on if you're going to the Dead sea or Tel Aviv
Aren't those both #Sdom, just after and before mapiechah
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on November 09, 2020, 03:32:29 PM
Aren't those both #Sdom, just after and before mapiechah

As someone famously said (I'll try to post later):

תל-אביב איז דאָס זעלבע סדום, נאָר מיט אייר קאָנדישען
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: moish on November 09, 2020, 07:29:42 PM
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001348619

Covid-19 testing facilities at LLBG to open tomorrow, but no effect on incoming traffic (due to political reasons).

In other political news, a ruling that would have allowed Eilat and Dead Sea hotels to open was withdrawn prior to the vote because the final version would have included the option to add other locations that would fit the criteria.

#MostPoliticizedVirusEver
Starting Sunday
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on November 09, 2020, 07:35:24 PM
In other news Denmark, Iceland, Estonia, Greece, Canada & Cyprus declared red, China declared green.

Quote
ביום 10.11.20 תצא דנמרק מרשימת המדינות הירוקות ותחשב מדינה אדומה, הבאים מדנמרק מחויבים בבידוד מיום זה.
 
המדינות הבאות תצאנה מרשימת המדינות הירוקות בתאריך 17.11.2020, לאור רמות התחלואה בהן, ולכן תחשבנה אדומות. הבאים ממדינות אלו, כמו משאר המדינות האדומות, יחויבו ב-14 יום בידוד:
איסלנד, אסטוניה, יוון, קנדה וקפריסין
 
החל מיום 10.11.2020 תתווספנה המדינה הבאה לרשימת המדינות הירוקות:
סין
 
מדינה זו מצטרפת לרשימה שאושרה בעבר:
אוסטרליה, אורוגוואי, איחוד האמירויות, איי סיישל, הונג קונג, וייטנאם, טיוואן, יפן, נורווגיה, ניו זילנד, סינגפור, פיג'י, פינלנד, קובה, קוריאה הדרומית, רואנדה ותאילנד.
 
כאמור, נכנסים לישראל "ממדינות ירוקות" לא יחויבו לשהות בבידוד.
רשימת "המדינות הירוקות" תעודכן באתר משרד הבריאות:
https://www.gov.il/he/Departments/DynamicCollectors/green-red-countries
יודגש, כל הנוסעים מישראל ואליה, יחויבו למלא הצהרת בריאות מקוונת, טרם כניסתם לטרמינל בישראל או טרם עלייתם לטיסה במדינת המוצא, באתר האינטרנט של משרד הבריאות.
 
על הנוסעים לוודא את דרישות מדינת היעד, לרבות מדיניות הכנסת נוסעים מישראל ודרישת הבדיקות, המשתנות בין מדינה למדינה לאור מגפת הקורונה.
 
הנוסעים מתבקשים לעטות מסכה ולשמור על כללי הריחוק החברתי גם במדינות היעד.
 
למען הסר ספק, נוסעים הנכנסים ממדינות שאינן ירוקות מחויבים לשהות ב-14 ימי בידוד. אין חובת בדיקה לשבים ממדינות ירוקות או שאינן ירוקות.
 
למידע נוסף לגבי תעופה בזמן קורונה:
https://www.gov.il/he/departments/air-travel-covid19-israel
הנחיות ליוצאים ממדינת ישראל:
https://www.gov.il/he/Departments/Guides/flying-to-israel-guidline
הנחיות לנכנסים למדינת ישראל:
https://www.gov.il/he/Departments/Guides/flying-to-israel-guidlines
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on November 10, 2020, 09:44:12 AM
As someone famously said (I'll try to post later):

תל-אביב איז דאָס זעלבע סדום, נאָר מיט אייר קאָנדישען

Here's the quote (at 2:03):

Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yungermanchik on November 11, 2020, 03:07:46 PM
Does anyone have an educated guess when Israel will reopen for American tourism?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Ergel on November 11, 2020, 03:11:20 PM
Does anyone have an educated guess when Israel will reopen for American tourism?
With quarantine or without?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yungermanchik on November 11, 2020, 03:12:18 PM
With quarantine or without?
without.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on November 11, 2020, 03:47:59 PM
Somewhat related. The law allowing Eilat & Dead Sea to open passed, including a provision that forces the government to set standards on what defines a recovered COVID-19 patient. Maybe this might have implications on allowing entry into the country.

Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Ergel on November 11, 2020, 05:16:08 PM
without.
When there is a vaccine
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 11, 2020, 05:19:06 PM
Does anyone have an educated guess when Israel will reopen for American tourism?
Should expect them to allow vaccinated tourists as soon as those exist, likely around the end of Dec, and probably easily available in large metros around Feburary
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on November 11, 2020, 05:24:58 PM
Should expect them to allow vaccinated tourists as soon as those exist, likely around the end of Dec, and probably easily available in large metros around Feburary

Word is that there are some bridges for sale. Are you a buyer?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yungermanchik on November 11, 2020, 09:28:57 PM
Should expect them to allow vaccinated tourists as soon as those exist, likely around the end of Dec, and probably easily available in large metros around Feburary
So, you think July is almost definitely a safe booking?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: iluv2travel on November 11, 2020, 09:50:11 PM
So, you think July is almost definitely a safe booking?

You got some good J class bookings on points  ;)? If there are any left after you book, let me know please.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yungermanchik on November 11, 2020, 09:52:57 PM
You got some good J class bookings on points  ;)? If there are any left after you book, let me know please.
No just regular coach https://www.dansdeals.com/airfare-deals/israel-flights/united-fly-nonstop-newark-chicago-washington-dc-san-francisco-tel-aviv-just-691-46k-hybrid-points-round-trip/ , see my username.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 11, 2020, 09:55:49 PM
So, you think July is almost definitely a safe booking?
Definitely is a stretch but I think July is a pretty safe bet. Obviously, that’s assuming the passengers will be willing to take the vaccine
Title: Travel to Israel during COVID-19 restrictions
Post by: Jweiss on November 12, 2020, 11:22:21 AM
Any indication when foreign nationals will be able to fly to Israel?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: S209 on November 12, 2020, 01:24:42 PM
So, you think July is almost definitely a safe booking?
Don’t forget Rosh Chodesh Elul is very early this year- August 8th :)
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yungermanchik on November 12, 2020, 02:11:39 PM
Don’t forget Rosh Chodesh Elul is very early this year- August 8th :)
Yeah, that's why I was looking in July!
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Yosel on November 13, 2020, 10:31:47 AM
any information on Israel allowing foreign residents to enter with a business permit??
Thanks
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yfr bachur on November 14, 2020, 04:09:54 PM
Does anyone have an educated guess when Israel will reopen for American tourism?

You'll need a Navi for that one.
No one has any idea.
Every guess is about as educated as flipping a coin.
The farther out you look the better the chances...
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: AsherO on November 15, 2020, 11:12:59 AM
Any indication when foreign nationals will be able to fly to Israel?

@Jweiss, welcome to DDF! I merged your post to the relevant topic in the COVID section of DDF. Your question has been discussed in this thread, read the recent posts for latest info.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: aygart on November 16, 2020, 03:30:15 PM
https://www.reuters.com/article/israel-economy-gdp-int/israel-economy-strikes-back-in-third-quarter-after-first-lockdown-lifted-idUSKBN27W182
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on November 18, 2020, 12:13:59 PM
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/relatives-of-new-immigrants-granted-permission-to-visit-israel-649460
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dan on November 18, 2020, 12:34:12 PM
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/relatives-of-new-immigrants-granted-permission-to-visit-israel-649460
Did we miss the announcement on a foreigners ban for December?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on November 18, 2020, 12:37:23 PM
Did we miss the announcement on a foreigners ban for December?
I have not seen it, but night have missed it.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Jack out of the box on November 19, 2020, 02:06:40 AM
any information on Israel allowing foreign residents to enter with a business permit??
Thanks
I flew this week from EWR and someone behind me on line had a business permit.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Proisrael on November 19, 2020, 08:26:16 AM
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/relatives-of-new-immigrants-granted-permission-to-visit-israel-649460

My 4 year anniversary was this month :((
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on November 19, 2020, 08:41:38 AM
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/relatives-of-new-immigrants-granted-permission-to-visit-israel-649460

Reading an article about Israeli COVID-19 related policy that starts with the words "there will be" is a total waste of time. I didn't go past the first sentence.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on November 30, 2020, 06:21:50 AM
Israel extended its ban of non-Israeli citizens from entering the country until January 1, 2021, the Chaim V’Chessed organization announced on Monday.

Although Israelis and students with entry permits from educational institutions are permitted to enter Israel, students who are currently in Israel and wish to leave the country and then return must proceed with caution, as many students have had difficulty reentering.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dr Moose on November 30, 2020, 06:56:58 AM
Israel extended its ban of non-Israeli citizens from entering the country until January 1, 2021, the Chaim V’Chessed organization announced on Monday.

Although Israelis and students with entry permits from educational institutions are permitted to enter Israel, students who are currently in Israel and wish to leave the country and then return must proceed with caution, as many students have had difficulty reentering.
https://www.dansdeals.com/points-travel/israel/israel-wont-open-borders-foreign-nationals-least-january-1st/
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ar on December 03, 2020, 11:43:59 PM
There was a rumor that starting Dec 1st, you'll only need to quarantine for 10 days. Anyone knows if this is true?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Happyguy on December 04, 2020, 04:20:38 AM
Yes if one gets a negative at the start of the 10 day period and at the nend
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on December 04, 2020, 04:21:45 AM
Yes if one gets a negative at the start of the 10 day period and at the nend
Isn't that in order to reduce quarantine from 14 to 12 days?
Or they changed it to 10?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yzj on December 04, 2020, 04:56:05 AM
I flew this week from EWR and someone behind me on line had a business permit.
There are people getting in with “business permits” etc. Know of some who went very recently. Depends on who you know plus.....
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ar on December 06, 2020, 02:16:04 AM
Yes if one gets a negative at the start of the 10 day period and at the nend

How does this process work?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on December 13, 2020, 07:43:34 AM
To ppl arriving from red countries, effective on Tuesday morning, quarantine requirement shortened to 10 days, if ones gets a negative test on days 1 and 9.
 

*הודעת משרד הבריאות:*

בהנחיית שר הבריאות יולי (יואל) אדלשטיין, ולאור המלצת גורמי המקצוע, החל מיום שלישי הקרוב , 15.12.20 בשעה 8:00 בבוקר, יקוצר הבידוד ל- 10 ימים בכפוף ל 2 בדיקות שליליות לנגיף קורונה. הראשונה עם הכניסה לבידוד והשניה ביום ה -9 ממועד החשיפה.
חשוב לציין שהפער המינימלי בין הבדיקה הראשונה לבדיקה השניה יהיה לפחות 24 שעות.
ניתן להיבדק לקורונה בקופות חולים בקביעת תור וללא הפניית רופא, כמו כן ניתן להיבדק במתחמי היבדק וסע.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on December 13, 2020, 08:04:44 AM
To ppl arriving from red countries, effective on Tuesday morning, quarantine requirement shortened to 10 days, if ones gets a negative test on days 1 and 9.
 

*הודעת משרד הבריאות:*

בהנחיית שר הבריאות יולי (יואל) אדלשטיין, ולאור המלצת גורמי המקצוע, החל מיום שלישי הקרוב , 15.12.20 בשעה 8:00 בבוקר, יקוצר הבידוד ל- 10 ימים בכפוף ל 2 בדיקות שליליות לנגיף קורונה. הראשונה עם הכניסה לבידוד והשניה ביום ה -9 ממועד החשיפה.
חשוב לציין שהפער המינימלי בין הבדיקה הראשונה לבדיקה השניה יהיה לפחות 24 שעות.
ניתן להיבדק לקורונה בקופות חולים בקביעת תור וללא הפניית רופא, כמו כן ניתן להיבדק במתחמי היבדק וסע.

It's a tiny step in the right direction.

Adding an option for a negative test within 72 from flight, and then a negative upon arrival and another negative on day 5, would be a reasonable directive (obviously eliminating the suspension of the policy of accepting positive antibody tests as proof of prior infection, allowing exit from quarantine with a negative PCR test on arrival would be the right policy to implement).
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on December 13, 2020, 08:13:29 AM
It's a tiny step in the right direction.

Adding an option for a negative test within 72 from flight, and then a negative upon arrival and another negative on day 5, would be a reasonable directive (obviously eliminating the suspension of the policy of accepting positive antibody tests as proof of prior infection, allowing exit from quarantine with a negative PCR test on arrival would be the right policy to implement).
I agree.

Critical workers (essential healthcare personnel etc) can already be released from quarantine after day 5, following 2 negative tests. So I'm assuming we're heading there
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: aygart on December 13, 2020, 09:58:08 AM
I wonder how the quarantine rules will be affected by the upcoming elections. My recollection is that one must be in Israel to vote and that people fly in from out of the country to do so. If they need to quarantine for that it can change this metric. How will that affect Bibi's decision making regarding quarantine?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Pad18 on December 13, 2020, 10:13:42 AM
I wonder how the quarantine rules will be affected by the upcoming elections. My recollection is that one must be in Israel to vote and that people fly in from out of the country to do so. If they need to quarantine for that it can change this metric. How will that affect Bibi's decision making regarding quarantine?

I have a d different questions, how much % of people will actually fly in to vote for the 4th time in 2 years ..
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on December 13, 2020, 10:14:21 AM
I wonder how the quarantine rules will be affected by the upcoming elections. My recollection is that one must be in Israel to vote and that people fly in from out of the country to do so. If they need to quarantine for that it can change this metric. How will that affect Bibi's decision making regarding quarantine?

I don't see why they wouldn't put a voting booth at LLBG. AFAIK anyone can vote at any location by claiming they cannot get to their designate polling place. And it is against privacy laws to question such a claim.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 13, 2020, 11:27:36 AM
I wonder how the quarantine rules will be affected by the upcoming elections. My recollection is that one must be in Israel to vote and that people fly in from out of the country to do so. If they need to quarantine for that it can change this metric. How will that affect Bibi's decision making regarding quarantine?
People flying in to vote are gonna skew heavily anti Bibbi. However, Bibbi is only going to elections because he assumes Covid will be over then. 60k vaccines/day * 100 days...
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: aygart on December 13, 2020, 11:32:31 AM
People flying in to vote are gonna skew heavily anti Bibbi. However, Bibbi is only going to elections because he assumes Covid will be over then. 60k vaccines/day * 100 days...
But if they are out of the country then they are not part of that calculation.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on December 13, 2020, 11:32:37 AM
People flying in to vote are gonna skew heavily anti Bibi.
Source?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 13, 2020, 11:49:26 AM
But if they are out of the country then they are not part of that calculation.
I know but once there is sufficient herd immunity in Israel there won't be any point of keeping the border closed, Bibbi's whole calculation is that by March Covid will be over
Source?
Everywhere in the world educated/wealthy/city dwellers who are more likely to travel in the first place and more likely to be able to afford to fly into Israel to vote, vote left. I support Bibbi but that's just the way it is.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on December 13, 2020, 12:06:07 PM
Everywhere in the world educated/wealthy/city dwellers who are more likely to travel in the first place and more likely to be able to afford to fly into Israel to vote, vote left.
Precisely what I’m questioning. Granted there is selection bias. But I know of many people who have flown in every single time, and all voted for right winged parties.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: S209 on December 13, 2020, 12:14:55 PM
Precisely what I’m questioning. Granted there is selection bias. But I know of many people who have flown in every single time, and all voted for right winged parties.
That’s likely selection bias the other way- “people you know” tend to vote right wing.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on December 13, 2020, 12:57:45 PM
That’s likely selection bias the other way- “people you know” tend to vote right wing.
That is precisely what I said.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: S209 on December 13, 2020, 01:01:40 PM
That is precisely what I said.
Your intent wasn’t apparent from the way you structured your sentences. It appeared that you were admitting there is some selection bias but were disagreeing with the extent of it. I do see how what you said could be interpreted the way you intended though.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on December 13, 2020, 05:11:49 PM
Precisely what I’m questioning. Granted there is selection bias. But I know of many people who have flown in every single time, and all voted for right winged parties.

While it's possible that @Kobe Bryant is presenting selection bias, there are several logical arguments that can be made to support it.

Left wing are less nationalistic. They would have to suffer from extreme BDS to justify a trip for the purpose of participating in an election.

Back in 5749 there were people sponsoring tickets from the US in order to vote for UTJ (and possibly other parties). I don't think the left ever undertook anything of the sort.

And I will just sign off by stating that IMO Bibbi is a lot smarter than anyone on DDF, and definitely knows more and is more experienced. I believe he knows what he's doing (to the extent he has any control).
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on December 13, 2020, 05:19:16 PM
https://www.themarker.com/amp/news/health/.premium-1.9368584
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: S209 on December 13, 2020, 06:03:59 PM
Bibbi is a lot smarter than anyone on DDF
-1
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: iluv2travel on December 13, 2020, 06:19:02 PM
-1

Except you 😉.

But he most likely does understand the world of Israeli politics better than any of us. I'm assuming that that's what was meant by that statement.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: S209 on December 13, 2020, 07:08:46 PM
Except you 😉.

But he most likely does understand the world of Israeli politics better than any of us. I'm assuming that that's what was meant by that statement.
I agree with this part of the post
and definitely knows more and is more experienced. I believe he knows what he's doing (to the extent he has any control).
but not
Bibbi is a lot smarter than anyone on DDF
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dan on December 13, 2020, 07:09:05 PM
https://www.themarker.com/amp/news/health/.premium-1.9368584
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Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on December 13, 2020, 08:05:18 PM
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כולם מדברים על אייל גולן, אבל 32 ישראלים חזרו מדובאי חיוביים לקורונה. זו הסיבה
בזמן שמשרד הבריאות דן בשינוי הסטטוס של איחוד האמירויות ממדינה ירוקה לאדומה, הועלתה הצעה לשנות את הקריטריונים להחלטה ■ משרד החוץ ואנשי תחום התעופה הפעילו לחצים - וההצעה נגנזה

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13.12.2020
   
חזרתו של הזמר אייל גולן מדובאי עם תוצאה חיובית-גבולית לקורונה עשתה אמנם רעש תקשורתי, אבל הוא ממש לא היחיד. על פי נתוני משרד הבריאות, מאז שהחלו הטיסות לדובאי באוקטובר, נמצאו 32 ישראלים חיוביים לקורונה, מתוך 4,931 שחזרו משם בסך הכול.

אמנם אין זה מספר גבוה המצדיק הפיכה של איחוד האמירויות מממדינה ירוקה לאדומה, אך הנתון בהחלט מדאיג את משרד הבריאות, שחושש כי הנהירה ליעד תביא לכאן חולים רבים. גם התורים הארוכים בנתב"ג מעוררים את החשש כי אחוזי התחלואה יעלו - דקה לפני מבצע החיסונים הנרחב המיועד למגר את המחלה.

בתחום התעופה מתנגדים באופן נחרץ לבקשה להפוך את דובאי לאדומה, והפעילו לחץ חזק להשאירה ירוקה – בעיקר מסיבות כלכליות
מהעבר השני, במשרד החוץ מתנגדים בתוקף לשינוי הסטטוס של איחוד האמירויות, מחשש לתקרית דיפלומטית עם המדינה שרק לאחרונה נפתחה לישראלים לאחר הסכמי הנורמליזציה שנחתמו. אל משרד החוץ מצטרפים אנשים בתחום התעופה, המתנגדים באופן נחרץ לבקשה להפוך את איחוד האמירויות לאדומה. החשש שלהם הוא כי החלטה תפגע בתיירים הנוסעים ליעד - כרגע מעט החמצן לענף התיירות שכמעט ולא פועל מתחילת המשבר.

הנתונים אינם מצדיקים שינוי סטטוס
מספר הבדיקות החיוביות של חולי קורונה החוזרים מאיחוד האמירויות החל לעלות בהדרגה, וכבר בשבוע שעבר נדרש לכך משרד הבריאות: צוות מקצוע המורכב מאנשי משרדי הבריאות והחוץ ונציגי ממשלה נוספים התכנס, ודן בשאלה אם להפוך את איחוד האמירויות לאיזור אדום.

הצוות בחן את נתוני התחלואה באיחוד, והגיע למסקנה שהנתונים היבשים, המורכבים בין היתר ממספר החולים הממוצע במדינה בשבועיים האחרונים, אחוז הבדיקות ל-100 אלף איש, מספר החולים קשה ומספר המתים - אינם מצדיקים את שינוי הסטטוס של המדינה.

במסגרת הדיונים, עלתה הצעה לשנות את הקריטריונים, אבל מהר ירדו מהרעיון בשל שתי סיבות מרכזיות: נציגי משרד החוץ הבהירו מיד כי שינוי הקריטריונים עלול לא להתקבל בעין יפה באיחוד האמירויות, מה שעלול היה ליצור משבר דיפלומטי. השנייה - השינוי היה מכניס מדינות ירוקות נוספות לקטוגריה אדומה, לדוגמה יפן - וזה היה יוצר בעיה מול עוד מדינות. את זה אף אחד לא רצה לעשות.
הצוות גם הגיע למסקנה מרכזית אחת: הבעיה היא לא אחוזי התחלואה באיחוד האמירויות, אלא ההתנהגות של הישראלים שנוסעים לשם.

"הישראלים נוסעים לשם ומתנהגים כמו בקרקס. עולים אחד על השני בהופעות של אייל גולן ועומר אדם, לא עוטים מסכות, מצטופפים בנתב"ג ובבתי המלון. זה יתפוצץ לנו בפרצוף, אבל זה לא באשמת האמירותיים ואין דרך למנוע את זה אלא לסגור לחלוטין את השמיים", אומר גורם ממשלתי המעורב בנושא.

הצוות הגיע למסקנה מרכזית אחת: הבעיה היא לא אחוזי התחלואה בדובאי, אלא ההתנהגות של הישראלים שנוסעים לשם
באופן כללי, ידוע כי לתיירות יש אופי מתקהל - מה שאומר שאנשים שנוסעים לאיחוד האמירויות נוטים להצטופף במטוס, בהסעות ובבתי המלון, וזה מעמיד בסיכון הדבקה גבוה יותר את הנוסעים.

בתחום התעופה מתנגדים מסיבות כלכליות
לפי נתוני רשות שדות התעופה, בדצמבר צפויים להגיע לאיחוד האמירויות כ-50 אלף נוסעים (הלוך ושוב) ביותר מ-300 טיסות. חברת התעופה פליי דובאי כבר מוציאה אבע טיסות יומיות לאורך כל החודש, וגם חברות התעופה הישראליות ישראייר, אל על וארקיע החלו להפעיל את קוויהן למדינה המפרצית.

בתחום התעופה מתנגדים באופן נחרץ לבקשה להפוך את איחוד האמירויות לאדומה, והפעילו לחץ חזק להשאירה ירוקה, בעיקר מסיבות כלכליות: בימים אלה כמעט אין תיירות יוצאת מישראל למעט לדובאי, לאיי סיישל ןמעט מאוד ליעדים אחרים. עם פתיחת היעד, החלה התעניינות גוברת של הישראלים באמירויות כיעד תיירותי - וזה בערך מקור ההכנסה היחיד לענף שחטף מתחילת משבר הקורונה מהלומה ממנה רבים לא יצליחו להתאושש. באמירויות דורשים בדיקת קורונה שלילית כתנאי לכניסה למדינה.
המתנגדים טוענים בתוקף כי התחלואה באיחוד האמירויות לא מצדיקה את סגירת היעד - מאחר שלטענתם, מספר החולים שהגיעו משם אינו גבוה: "מדובר באחוזים מזעריים של חולים ביחס לכמות שנסעה לשם", טוען גורם בכיר בתחום התעופה שהיה מעורב בדיונים.
כמו כן, נתוני התחלואה באיחוד האמירויות יציבים יחסית (כלומר אין עלייה), לטענתם, ועומדים על כ-1,100 מקרים ביום - מתוך אוכלוסייה הנאמדת בכ-9.6 מיליון תושבים.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on December 13, 2020, 08:17:36 PM
-1

אדרבא . Please name DDFers you believe are smarter than Bibbi.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: S209 on December 13, 2020, 08:54:26 PM
אדרבא . Please name DDFers you believe are smarter than Bibbi.
I’m sure many are. Bibi isn’t who he is just because of his intelligence, although he’s certainly smart. He’s also a fantastic politician, ambitious, charismatic, confident, and tough. That’s why he is who he is.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Jack out of the box on December 13, 2020, 08:59:28 PM
I’m sure many are. Bibi isn’t who he is just because of his intelligence, although he’s certainly smart. He’s also a fantastic politician, ambitious, charismatic, confident, and tough. That’s why he is who he is.
I think we've veered of course here. This is not a politics thread. (No this is not a political statement.)
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: moish on December 14, 2020, 09:06:11 AM
-1
He's reported to have an IQ of 180 which puts him in some rare territory
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: S209 on December 14, 2020, 09:54:14 AM
He's reported to have an IQ of 180 which puts him in some rare territory

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/bibi-and-the-180-iq/

Quote
The origin of this stems from a 1999 Michael Hirsh article about Ehud Barak describing him as someone with an IQ of 180. This was not a statement of fact, but a mere way of describing Barak as a smart person. Somehow this morphed into a ‘confirmed internet fact’ that (Ehud’s political rival at the time) Bibi has an IQ of 180.

Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: NTorch on December 14, 2020, 01:07:17 PM
I think we've veered of course here. This is not a politics thread. (No this is not a political statement.)
+1
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: arye her on December 14, 2020, 03:33:23 PM
can anybody help?
someone is in EWR who's an Israeli citizen with her child (11yo) who's not an Israeli Citizen
united says she might have issues in Israel
does anyone know the laws about this??
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Ergel on December 14, 2020, 03:46:12 PM
can anybody help?
someone is in EWR who's an Israeli citizen with her child (11yo) who's not an Israeli Citizen
united says she might have issues in Israel
does anyone know the laws about this??
Contact Chaim V'chesed
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: arye her on December 14, 2020, 04:02:43 PM
Contact Chaim V'chesed
Thanks
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: jose34 on December 14, 2020, 07:06:30 PM
can anybody help?
someone is in EWR who's an Israeli citizen with her child (11yo) who's not an Israeli Citizen
united says she might have issues in Israel
does anyone know the laws about this??
What makes the child not Israeli if born to an Israeli mother, the child was not born in Israel?
They may not have the paperwork to prove it....
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on December 14, 2020, 09:30:56 PM
What makes the child not Israeli if born to an Israeli mother, the child was not born in Israel?
Correct.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Yehudaa on December 22, 2020, 04:14:12 PM
https://www.timesofisrael.com/at-jerusalem-covid-hotel-occupants-fear-its-a-breeding-ground-for-uk-strain/

These hotels don't sound fun.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on December 22, 2020, 08:55:11 PM
https://www.timesofisrael.com/at-jerusalem-covid-hotel-occupants-fear-its-a-breeding-ground-for-uk-strain/

These hotels don't sound fun.

Fancy jail cells.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Jack out of the box on December 23, 2020, 12:56:52 AM
Fancy jail cells.
For the crime of entering the country legally.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: nafnaf12 on December 23, 2020, 09:02:43 AM
https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/rkZQSclaw?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on December 23, 2020, 09:26:10 AM
https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/rkZQSclaw?
Nice!
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on January 18, 2021, 05:01:45 AM
Heading towards Covid test requirements before boarding a flight to Israel

https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/S1l0011CG1u
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on January 18, 2021, 07:56:42 PM
Heading towards Covid test requirements before boarding a flight to Israel

https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/S1l0011CG1u

Apparently it's a legal mess/hot potato which is why it hasn't been implemented up until now.

https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001357467

To summarize: the issues stem from the fact that a person can't be forced to undergo an invasive test. Therefore the question arises as to what happens to those that won't. With many branches and offshoots of that scenario.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Jack out of the box on January 19, 2021, 02:39:23 AM
Apparently it's a legal mess/hot potato which is why it hasn't been implemented up until now.

https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001357467

To summarize: the issues stem from the fact that a person can't be forced to undergo an invasive test. Therefore the question arises as to what happens to those that won't. With many branches and offshoots of that scenario.
Nobody is forced to fly.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Happyguy on January 19, 2021, 03:26:26 AM
Nobody is forced to fly.

Correct, but what about Israelis stuck abroad already?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on January 19, 2021, 01:18:40 PM
Apparently it's a legal mess/hot potato which is why it hasn't been implemented up until now.

https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001357467

To summarize: the issues stem from the fact that a person can't be forced to undergo an invasive test. Therefore the question arises as to what happens to those that won't. With many branches and offshoots of that scenario.
Seems to be confirmed


(https://i.postimg.cc/ZKj45dnS/Screenshot-20210119-201743.png) (https://postimages.org/)
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dan on January 19, 2021, 01:22:58 PM
Even for green passports?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on January 19, 2021, 01:27:30 PM
Even for green passports?
Green passports don't exist yet. The project hasn't been finalized yet.

However there are certificates of vaccination being given to those who received the 2 shots.. They didn't provide details yet
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dan on January 19, 2021, 01:58:28 PM
Seems to be confirmed


(https://i.postimg.cc/ZKj45dnS/Screenshot-20210119-201743.png) (https://postimages.org/)

Antigen work? Or just PCR?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on January 19, 2021, 02:23:31 PM
Antigen work? Or just PCR?
Here you go. Just for Israelis registered in the MoH system

(https://i.postimg.cc/x8MSK6Kk/Screenshot-20210119-212233.png) (https://postimages.org/)
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on January 19, 2021, 02:39:38 PM
@Dan, from PM office PR:

The Cabinet also decided that whoever seeks to board a flight to Israel will be required to present the requisite airline personnel with confirmation of a negative PCR coronavirus test that had been carried out during the 72 hours prior to take-off or, alternatively, confirmation of having been vaccinated or of having recovered that has been issued by the Health Ministry. This procedure will apply to travelers who were outside Israel for 72 hours or more, except for special permits that have been individually approved, and to air crew members who will be in Israel for 72 hours or more. This regulation will take effect at 00:00 on Saturday, 23 January 2021.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: AsherO on January 19, 2021, 02:41:56 PM
@Dan, from PM office PR:

The Cabinet also decided that whoever seeks to board a flight to Israel will be required to present the requisite airline personnel with confirmation of a negative PCR coronavirus test that had been carried out during the 72 hours prior to take-off or, alternatively, confirmation of having been vaccinated or of having recovered that has been issued by the Health Ministry. This procedure will apply to travelers who were outside Israel for 72 hours or more, except for special permits that have been individually approved, and to air crew members who will be in Israel for 72 hours or more. This regulation will take effect at 00:00 on Saturday, 23 January 2021.

Did they mean or less?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on January 19, 2021, 02:43:49 PM
Green passports don't exist yet. The project hasn't been finalized yet.

However there are certificates of vaccination being given to those who received the 2 shots.. They didn't provide details yet

What about those that have תעודת מחלים?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on January 19, 2021, 02:46:07 PM
What about those that have תעודת מחלים?
Isn't that implied in "having recovered that has been issued by the Health Ministry"?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on January 19, 2021, 02:55:17 PM
Hul Mehudar just posted

Quote
עדכון ממשרד הבריאות

מחלימים ומחוסנים ישראלים שמעודכנים במערכת של משרד הבריאות יהיו פטורים מהצגת בדיקת קורונה שלילית בחזרתם לארץ.


Whether airlines (other than LY) will be able (or want) to make that distinction is a different question.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: moish on January 19, 2021, 05:06:09 PM
Has there been anything written regarding connections? Do you measure from the flight? How long of a connection? etc
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on January 22, 2021, 02:17:40 AM
Just done with second shot, BH
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Moshe123 on January 22, 2021, 06:42:41 AM
‏אורלי גרינפלד, המנהלת הרפואית של "מגן ישראל", מבהירה אצל ‎@Sykocan: "מי שחוסן בחו"ל, גם אם יש לו תעודת מתחסן, יוכל לצאת מבידוד רק אחרי בדיקת נוגדנים. ההקלות נוגעות רק במי שחוסן בארץ ועבר שבוע לפחות מהמנה השנייה"

Idiots!!

מדינת חלם
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: AsherO on January 22, 2021, 06:47:25 AM
‏אורלי גרינפלד, המנהלת הרפואית של "מגן ישראל", מבהירה אצל ‎@Sykocan: "מי שחוסן בחו"ל, גם אם יש לו תעודת מתחסן, יוכל לצאת מבידוד רק אחרי בדיקת נוגדנים. ההקלות נוגעות רק במי שחוסן בארץ ועבר שבוע לפחות מהמנה השנייה"

Idiots!!

מדינת חלם

Why? A foreign “תעודת מתחסן” could be forged. It could also theoretically (albeit unlikely in Israel) mean someone got a Russian or Chinese vaccine which haven’t been clinically proven to be effective.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on January 22, 2021, 08:42:15 AM
‏אורלי גרינפלד, המנהלת הרפואית של "מגן ישראל", מבהירה אצל ‎@Sykocan: "מי שחוסן בחו"ל, גם אם יש לו תעודת מתחסן, יוכל לצאת מבידוד רק אחרי בדיקת נוגדנים. ההקלות נוגעות רק במי שחוסן בארץ ועבר שבוע לפחות מהמנה השנייה"

Idiots!!

מדינת חלם

So when can antibody tests be trusted and when can't they?
Title: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: bigdipper8545 on January 24, 2021, 11:02:28 AM
Ben Gurion is closing on Monday until the end of the month!
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/H11pUfjy00
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 24, 2021, 11:03:35 AM
Ben Gurion is closing on Monday for a month!
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/H11pUfjy00
Not for a month. Until the end of the month (5 days).
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: yelped on January 24, 2021, 11:04:46 AM
Not for a month. Until the end of the month (5 days).
Lol.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: AsherO on January 24, 2021, 11:05:57 AM
What difference does 5 days make, over requiring all arrivals to quarantine at a quarantine hotel or some other measures (e.g. negative PCR within 72/96 hours)?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 24, 2021, 11:07:48 AM
What difference does 5 days make, over requiring all arrivals to quarantine at a quarantine hotel?
It's all PR move/negotiating tactic to pass electronic tracking of home quarantine (Taiwan model) but to the point, thousands of people are coming every day and there aren't enough quarantine hotels.

Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: bigdipper8545 on January 24, 2021, 11:07:59 AM
Not for a month. Until the end of the month (5 days).
The article says for a moth just quoting it where did you see that it is only 5 days?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: AsherO on January 24, 2021, 11:09:14 AM
It's all PR move/negotiating tactic to pass electronic tracking of home quarantine (Taiwan model) but to the point, thousands of people are coming every day and there aren't enough quarantine hotels.

What is this electronic tracking thing? A device they give you? How do they enforce you keeping it on your person at all times and not just leaving it home when you leave?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on January 24, 2021, 11:11:09 AM
The article says for a moth just quoting it where did you see that it is only 5 days?

(https://i.postimg.cc/Qx2M7R7b/Screenshot-20210124-180950.png) (https://postimg.cc/RNT95pX6)
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 24, 2021, 11:12:09 AM
The article says for a moth just quoting it where did you see that it is only 5 days?
Everywhere. It's from Jan 26 until the current lockdown ends on Jan 31. It may be extended but extremely unlikely that it will continue more than a week or two

What is this electronic tracking thing? A device they give you? How do they enforce you keeping it on your person at all times and not just leaving it home when you leave?
I'm not sure what exactly Taiwan does but you can track phones, tracking device, Shen Bet capabilities to locate people even without their phones. Ankle bracelets/real punishments can create significant deterrence and dramatically increase the 30% compliance rate.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: bigdipper8545 on January 24, 2021, 11:15:00 AM
Everywhere. It's from Jan 26 until the current lockdown ends on Jan 31. It may be extended but extremely unlikely that it will continue more than a week or two
I'm not sure what exactly Taiwan does but you can track phones, tracking device, Shen Bet capabilities to locate people even without their phones. Ankle bracelets/real punishments can create significant deterrence and dramatically increase the 30% compliance rate.
I guess ynet.com got in wrong I fixed the post
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on January 24, 2021, 11:15:44 AM
It may be extended but extremely unlikely that it will continue more than a week or two
My money is on 2 weeks, unless numbers improve dramatically. This way it also give the government enough time to finalize the green passport etc
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 24, 2021, 11:18:54 AM
My money is on 2 weeks, unless numbers improve dramatically. This way it also give the government enough time to finalize the green passport etc
I can see it going both ways. The politicians and their circles can't stand having the airport closed, but most of the country likes it and the ruling parties are desperate for public support.

2 weeks with enhanced measures upon reopening is indeed a reasonable presumption.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 24, 2021, 11:33:37 AM
Important to note this is all media reports, the actual text of the government decision hasn't been publicized yet.
It wasn't fabricated, but it may be missing critical details.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: AsherO on January 24, 2021, 11:34:13 AM
I'm not sure what exactly Taiwan does but you can track phones, tracking device, Shen Bet capabilities to locate people even without their phones. Ankle bracelets/real punishments can create significant deterrence and dramatically increase the 30% compliance rate.

I agree 1000% that it’ll be effective. Will something like that fly in Israel? Pigs will fly in the US before measures like that pass here, even with the Ds in control.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on January 24, 2021, 11:36:27 AM
Important to note this is all media reports, the actual text of the government decision hasn't been publicized yet.
It wasn't fabricated, but it may be missing critical details.
Within one hour or less we'll have the official transcript of the meeting
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 24, 2021, 12:01:05 PM
I agree 1000% that it’ll be effective. Will something like that fly in Israel? Pigs will fly in the US before measures like that pass here, even with the Ds in control.
Some would argue 400,000 deaths is the pigs flying. The truth lies somewhere in the middle, Israel already passed new requirements to test prior to departure and upon arrival, and it's easy to see them raising the fines.

After the last lockdown they were too quick to roll back restrictions and ended up in lockdown again. This is all about establishing a new normal after the lockdown, it's not a measure to slow the surge of cases in the immediate term. R is already at 0.90.

Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 24, 2021, 12:06:12 PM
Within one hour or less we'll have the official transcript of the meeting
Yep but then it may be subject to approval by a separate Kennest committee
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: AsherO on January 24, 2021, 12:06:57 PM
Some would argue 400,000 deaths is the pigs flying. The truth lies somewhere in the middle, Israel already passed new requirements to test prior to departure and upon arrival, and it's easy to see them raising the fines.

If the Ds try to force civilian movement tracking in the US in the name of COVID you’ll have actual civil war like Trump couldn’t bring if he tried.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 24, 2021, 12:09:34 PM
If the Ds try to force civilian movement tracking in the US in the name of COVID you’ll have actual civil war like Trump couldn’t bring if he tried.
Israel is already closing airport for flights carrying Israeli citizens and used civilment movement tracking to identify & quarantine Covid contacts. Electronic tracking bracelets for people in mandatory quarantine is a smaller step.

I don't disagree that surveillance won't happen any time soon in the US, but a real civil war is impossible, the concentration of power in the Federal government is orders of magnitude larger than the 1800s
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on January 24, 2021, 12:14:26 PM
What difference does 5 days make, over requiring all arrivals to quarantine at a quarantine hotel or some other measures (e.g. negative PCR within 72/96 hours)?

Rather than thinking things through, they create measures that drive people to use a workable solution that involves "fooling" the authorities (which is extremely easy).

The fastest way to get a negative PCR test that will allow people to board a flight (or be let out of quarantine) involves "photoshop" methods. It's much faster, easier (and is accepted) than other methods or labs.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: AsherO on January 24, 2021, 12:14:49 PM
I don't disagree that surveillance won't happen any time soon in the US, but a real civil war is impossible, the concentration of power in the Federal government is orders of magnitude larger than the 1800s

A real civil war is not impossible. If (when?) the American financial/political machine collapses, the residents of what is now the 50 YS states might not agree on how to pick up the pieces, and are likely to take arms in pursuing their visions.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 24, 2021, 12:17:59 PM
A real civil war is not impossible. If (when?) the American financial/political machine collapses, the residents of what is now the 50 YS states might not agree on how to pick up the pieces, and are likely to take arms in pursuing their visions.
The small arms are nothing compared to technological capabilities of the Federal Gov. The American financial system is still one of the safest in the world, it isn't falling anytime soon.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on January 24, 2021, 12:51:53 PM
Yep but then it may be subject to approval by a separate Kennest committee
PR from PM Office, consistent with the press. Private jets are also prevented from flying.

הממשלה אישרה היום (ראשון) את הצעת ראש הממשלה ושר הבריאות לעצירת הטיסות לישראל וממנה, כמפורט להלן:

1. איסור כניסת מטוסים זרים לישראל, למעט טיסות מטען, טיסות לכיבוי אש וטיסות לפינוי חירום רפואי.

2. הגבלה זמנית של היתרי הפעלת חברות התעופה הישראליות. 

3. צמצום החריגים ליציאה בטיסה אל מחוץ לישראל, כך שיכללו את המקרים הבאים בלבד: טיפול רפואי, הליך משפטי שאותו אדם צד לו או נדרש להשתתף בו או לוויה של קרוב משפחה.

מנכ"ל משרד הבריאות יחד עם מנכ"ל משרד התחבורה רשאים לאשר בקשות חריגות בשל צורך הומניטארי או צורך אישי מיוחד של יציאה מחוץ לישראל. איסור על יציאה לטיסה חל גם ביחס לטיסות באמצעות מטוסים פרטיים ישראלים.

התקנות יכנסו לתוקף מחר, 25.01.21 בחצות (בין שני לשלישי) לצורך היערכות הנוסעים, המפעלים האוויריים ושדות התעופה. איסור כניסת מטוס זר לישראל לא יחול על טיסה שהמריאה לפני כניסת התקנות לתוקף. תוקפן של התקנות הוא עד יום 31 בינואר 2021


Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on January 24, 2021, 12:55:50 PM
PR from PM Office, consistent with the press. Private jets are also prevented from flying.

הממשלה אישרה היום (ראשון) את הצעת ראש הממשלה ושר הבריאות לעצירת הטיסות לישראל וממנה, כמפורט להלן:

1. איסור כניסת מטוסים זרים לישראל, למעט טיסות מטען, טיסות לכיבוי אש וטיסות לפינוי חירום רפואי.

2. הגבלה זמנית של היתרי הפעלת חברות התעופה הישראליות.

3. צמצום החריגים ליציאה בטיסה אל מחוץ לישראל, כך שיכללו את המקרים הבאים בלבד: טיפול רפואי, הליך משפטי שאותו אדם צד לו או נדרש להשתתף בו או לוויה של קרוב משפחה.

מנכ"ל משרד הבריאות יחד עם מנכ"ל משרד התחבורה רשאים לאשר בקשות חריגות בשל צורך הומניטארי או צורך אישי מיוחד של יציאה מחוץ לישראל. איסור על יציאה לטיסה חל גם ביחס לטיסות באמצעות מטוסים פרטיים ישראלים.

התקנות יכנסו לתוקף מחר, 25.01.21 בחצות (בין שני לשלישי) לצורך היערכות הנוסעים, המפעלים האוויריים ושדות התעופה. איסור כניסת מטוס זר לישראל לא יחול על טיסה שהמריאה לפני כניסת התקנות לתוקף. תוקפן של התקנות הוא עד יום 31 בינואר 2021

How in the world are people supposed to fly under the exceptions in #3 private jets only?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on January 24, 2021, 12:57:55 PM
How in the world are people supposed to fly under the exceptions in #3 private jets only?
Excellent question
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on January 24, 2021, 12:58:22 PM
And now you have hundreds of people that were scheduled to fly back later in the week and will now want to move their flight up to today or tomorrow, but can't get a negative PCR test (though the Photoshop labs will be extremely busy - I imagine they'll raise prices due to increased demand).
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on January 24, 2021, 01:00:24 PM
Excellent question

If they would be a little open minded and use some brains, they would do what Australia has been doing (I'm not saying that's what they should be doing, but it's a better alternative than what they are suggesting). Everything is done in a reactive mode without a proper thought process.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on January 24, 2021, 01:00:51 PM
(though the Photoshop labs will be extremely busy - I imagine they'll raise prices due to increased demand).
Photoshop labs have been busy throughout the pandemic   ;)
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on January 24, 2021, 01:01:19 PM
Photoshop labs have been busy throughout the pandemic   ;)

Indeed. But now there's increased demand.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 24, 2021, 01:02:37 PM
How in the world are people supposed to fly under the exceptions in #3 private jets only?
Yes, although maybe UA will be allowed to carry exempt pax on their 'cargo' flights, which would render the whole ban fake news as traveling to alternate permanent residence is considered an essential need.

If they would be a little open minded and use some brains, they would do what Australia has been doing
Australia has a backlog of hundreds of thousands of citizens waiting to fly home due to capacity constraints at the hotel.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on January 24, 2021, 01:05:19 PM
If they would be a little open minded and use some brains, they would do what Australia has been doing (I'm not saying that's what they should be doing, but it's a better alternative than what they are suggesting). Everything is done in a reactive mode without a proper thought process.
There was no thoughts put into this.
Covid cases are high despite the 'seger' and despite the high vaccination rate.
So blaming foreign travel can buy Bibi another week or 2, and hopefully by then numbers will go down and Bibi can claim he had a genius idea.
IMHO
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: th0306 on January 24, 2021, 01:09:04 PM
I see United still has flights open for this week.

How would they compensate if I purchase a ticket and then they will obviously cancel the flight?

Would I be able to use it for future travel on any flight? or just the dollar amount?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 24, 2021, 01:11:40 PM
I see United still has flights open for this week.

How would they compensate if I purchase a ticket and then they will obviously cancel the flight?

Would I be able to use it for future travel on any flight? or just the dollar amount?
You have 24h free cancellation regardless
 
There was no thoughts put into this.
Covid cases are high despite the 'seger' and despite the high vaccination rate.
So blaming foreign travel can buy Bibi another week or 2, and hopefully by then numbers will go down and Bibi can claim he had a genius idea.
IMHO
While I generally support Bibbi as far better than any of the alternatives, it is pretty funny that they're shutting down the airport when his main opponent Yair Lapid is on a much publicized trip to NYC.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on January 24, 2021, 01:18:34 PM
Yair Lapid is on a much publicized trip to NYC.
He can stay in NYC forever AFAIK :)
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 24, 2021, 01:19:46 PM
He can stay in NYC forever AFAIK :)
You and Bibbi both
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: AsherO on January 24, 2021, 01:22:37 PM
What are the ground entry rules? Is flying to AMM and entering Israel by car going to be a viable workaround for anyone?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: m65 on January 24, 2021, 01:28:10 PM
What are the ground entry rules? Is flying to AMM and entering Israel by car going to be a viable workaround for anyone?
are the land crossings open?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: AsherO on January 24, 2021, 01:30:58 PM
are the land crossings open?

That's kinda what I'm asking. I would think they're open in some capacity, for "essential" travel.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 24, 2021, 01:39:24 PM
are the land crossings open?
They've been closed since March

That's kinda what I'm asking. I would think they're open in some capacity, for "essential" travel.
Boat terminals are
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on January 24, 2021, 01:42:20 PM
There was no thoughts put into this.
Covid cases are high despite the 'seger' and despite the high vaccination rate.
So blaming foreign travel can buy Bibi another week or 2, and hopefully by then numbers will go down and Bibi can claim he had a genius idea.
IMHO

Excatly. Just like to solution to $100/bbl oil prices was $100/bbl oil, which brought more production online, and the "solution" for too low oil prices are low oil prices, which put weak players out of business, thereby reducing supply, in a similar fashion the solution to high infection rate is exactly that - high infection rate (as we have evidenced in Crown Heights, Williamsburg, KJ and Boro Park), and the inverse is, unfortunately, true - low infection rates will result in infection rates rising (barring real draconian moves as taken mostly by totalitarian regimes, but also some other places).
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: Mikes@Micro on January 24, 2021, 01:52:45 PM
What are the ground entry rules? Is flying to AMM and entering Israel by car going to be a viable workaround for anyone?
Good luck getting your Teffilin in with you...
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on January 24, 2021, 10:30:28 PM
Indeed. But now there's increased demand.
The new business opportunities created by COVID-19 (and power hungry politicians)


https://www.kan.org.il/Item/?itemId=98919
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: Dan on January 24, 2021, 10:34:35 PM
Yes, although maybe UA will be allowed to carry exempt pax on their 'cargo' flights, which would render the whole ban fake news as traveling to alternate permanent residence is considered an essential need.
They would need to fully staff the flights. No way it would be worthwhile.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 24, 2021, 11:06:59 PM
They would need to fully staff the flights. No way it would be worthwhile.
A big percentage of anybody who is traveling now is traveling to an (alternate) permanent residence or other essential need, but I do agree it appears the governments intent is to shut off travel entirely, and you make a very good point about UA not carrying a small amount of paying pax.

AC has many flights in the schedule where they are only selling seats on the outbound YYZ-TLV for this reason (I guess it's worth crew one way but not the extra cost of a crew for  the return).
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on January 25, 2021, 07:19:54 AM
https://news.walla.co.il/item/3413734

Already floating the idea that the airport needs to be closed for longer
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: points 99 on January 25, 2021, 10:57:48 AM
I see United still has flights open for this week.

How would they compensate if I purchase a ticket and then they will obviously cancel the flight?

Would I be able to use it for future travel on any flight? or just the dollar amount?

I know someone who booked a business saver award ticket yesterday to fly this week, before United canceled the flights. After they canceled, they allowed him to change the flight to a date which did not have saver space avail
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: nafnaf12 on January 25, 2021, 11:02:01 AM
I know someone who booked a business saver award ticket yesterday to fly this week, before United canceled the flights. After they canceled, they allowed him to change the flight to a date which did not have saver space avail
curious, was ticket booked with UA miles or other airline?

And is new ticket Revenue or they opened saver?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: points 99 on January 25, 2021, 11:04:50 AM
curious, was ticket booked with UA miles or other airline?

And is new ticket Revenue or they opened saver?

Booked with UA miles (for this reason. I doubt UA would be helpful in changing a flight booked with TA)
New ticket is saver, same 75k
helpful to book with an account that has UA status. Their premiere desk agents are very helpful
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: Dan on January 25, 2021, 11:05:09 AM
curious, was ticket booked with UA miles or other airline?

And is new ticket Revenue or they opened saver?
UA has opened saver for me multiple times after cancellations. Takes HUCA.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: points 99 on January 25, 2021, 11:08:33 AM
UA has opened saver for me multiple times after cancellations. Takes HUCA.
Globalist can get anything done...
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: nafnaf12 on January 25, 2021, 11:10:14 AM
UA has opened saver for me multiple times after cancellations. Takes HUCA.
I know.
My question was specifically in this situation.

Booked with UA miles (for this reason. I doubt UA would be helpful in changing a flight booked with TA)
New ticket is saver, same 75k
helpful to book with an account that has UA status. Their premiere desk agents are very helpful

thanks.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: Dan on January 25, 2021, 11:20:37 AM
Globalist can get anything done...
I'm not Global any more.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: nafnaf12 on January 25, 2021, 11:25:29 AM
Globalist can get anything done...
when a flight is cancelled you don't need GS to get rebooked.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: Dan on January 25, 2021, 11:29:13 AM
when a flight is cancelled you don't need GS to get rebooked.

You need skills to rebook more than 7 days from the cancelled flights.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: nafnaf12 on January 25, 2021, 11:30:26 AM
You need skills to rebook more than 7 days from the cancelled flights.
14*
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: Dan on January 25, 2021, 11:38:30 AM
14*
Used to be 7, you sure it's 14 now?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: nafnaf12 on January 25, 2021, 11:39:17 AM
Used to be 7, you sure it's 14 now?
yes
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on January 25, 2021, 11:47:25 AM
I'm not Global any more.
How come?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on January 25, 2021, 11:48:54 AM
How come?

Might be a result of the 2020 Chol Hamoed trips.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: Dan on January 25, 2021, 11:51:12 AM
How come?
Lowly 1K now. Easy come, easy go.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on January 25, 2021, 12:02:18 PM
Lowly 1K now. Easy come, easy go.

I was actually wondering how someone who has more miles and points than they can spend would end up getting status which depends on revenue tickets.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on January 25, 2021, 12:06:48 PM
I was actually wondering how someone who has more miles and points than they can spend would end up getting status which depends on revenue tickets.
I was wondering the same :-)
Special invite for influencers?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: AsherO on January 25, 2021, 12:34:55 PM
I was actually wondering how someone who has more miles and points than they can spend would end up getting status which depends on revenue tickets.
I was wondering the same :-)
Special invite for influencers?

It's been asked 100 times already, Dan is  :-X
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on January 25, 2021, 12:41:09 PM
It's been asked 100 times already, Dan is  :-X
Magicians never reveal their secrets   ::)
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 25, 2021, 12:43:51 PM
https://news.walla.co.il/item/3413734

Already floating the idea that the airport needs to be closed for longer
I find it hard to believe schools will start opening on Feb 1 but not the airport. It would be a major paradigm shift from previous norms. There are tons of Israelis abroad and it would be a mess.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on January 25, 2021, 12:45:27 PM
I find it hard to believe schools will start opening on Feb 1 but not the airport. It would be a major paradigm shift from previous norms. There are tons of Israelis abroad and it would be a mess.
I find hard to believe schools will start Feb 1  :)
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 25, 2021, 01:20:39 PM
I find hard to believe schools will start Feb 1  :)
The health ministry seems to be onboard with opening some grades. New hospitalizations should go off a cliff soon IYH with vaccine effects. 92% of Covid deaths were 60+, and 80% of 60+ already got a first dose. Covid should be largely over in Israel before Purim.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on January 25, 2021, 01:24:06 PM
The health ministry seems to be onboard with opening some grades. New hospitalizations should go off a cliff soon IYH with vaccine effects. 92% of Covid deaths were 60+, and 80% of 60+ already got a first dose. Covid should be largely over in Israel before Purim.
Arent they also concerned about the hike in the number of cases among kids?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 25, 2021, 01:26:10 PM
Arent they also concerned about the hike in the number of cases among kids?
I don't think that's so much of a problem once the at-risk population is vaccinated.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: points 99 on January 25, 2021, 02:13:33 PM
It's been asked 100 times already, Dan is  :-X
not sure what the big secret is. There are 2 simple ways to achieve global, for those who arrange lots of tix. Either you know someone who has it - they can gift it to 1 person per year, or you buy a 50k PassPlus prepaid ticket package (that's about 250 amex cards' airline fees used for Travelbank). Anyone who saw Dan's card collection, knows it's no big deal...
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on January 25, 2021, 03:27:42 PM
I find it hard to believe schools will start opening on Feb 1 but not the airport. It would be a major paradigm shift from previous norms. There are tons of Israelis abroad and it would be a mess.

(https://i.postimg.cc/ZnT1cCTD/Screenshot-20210125-222403.png) (https://postimg.cc/PpR3ffvm)
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 25, 2021, 03:37:44 PM
Yup, you were right.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: AsherO on January 25, 2021, 04:08:10 PM
Yup, you were right.

Now a closed airport is the status quo.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on January 25, 2021, 04:19:03 PM
Now a closed airport is the status quo.

At least now keeping it closed on Shabbos would be called maintaining the status quo.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 25, 2021, 04:23:07 PM
Now a closed airport is the status quo.
I think that’s a little bit of a stretch, if you hold your breath for 30 seconds, the status quo doesn’t become held breath... the government is literally talking about paying for private jets for citizens with essentials needs (obviously will never happen)



At least now keeping it closed on Shabbos would be called maintaining the status quo.
And every night someone stops eating, the status quo is keeping Kosher
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on January 25, 2021, 04:25:56 PM
the government Israeli media, aka the originators of fake news before fake news was a thing, is literally talking about paying for private jets for citizens with essentials needs (obviously will never happen)




FTFY
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: yelped on January 25, 2021, 04:51:03 PM
And every night someone stops eating, the status quo is keeping Kosher
Now that's the attitude!
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 25, 2021, 04:56:31 PM
In 5 minutes TLV is switching to airplane mode (HT Sharon Idan)
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on January 25, 2021, 06:23:53 PM
In 5 minutes TLV is switching to no-airplane mode (HT Sharon Idan)
FTFY
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ar on January 25, 2021, 10:19:12 PM
FYI

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL234
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: yochai on January 25, 2021, 10:37:59 PM
FYI

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL234
Looks like they extended it to allow flights till 1pm (at least)
https://www.iaa.gov.il/airports/ben-gurion/flight-board/?flightType=arrivals
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 25, 2021, 10:49:07 PM
Looks like they extended it to allow flights till 1pm (at least)
https://www.iaa.gov.il/airports/ben-gurion/flight-board/?flightType=arrivals
I think all flights that departed anywhere in the world before midnight in Israel.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: yochai on January 25, 2021, 10:57:35 PM
I think all flights that departed anywhere in the world before midnight in Israel.
Makes sense, as you can see LY from LAX and MIA departed a few hours early, but there are some takeoffs too (empty planes?)
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 25, 2021, 11:08:30 PM
Makes sense, as you can see LY from LAX and MIA departed a few hours early, but there are some takeoffs too (empty planes?)
Interesting. I think the rules technically suspended the Israeli airlines operating licenses, prohibit foreign airlines from operating passenger flights into Israel, and prohibited people from going more than 1KM from their home, including to the airport, unless it is an essential need.

That would mean foreign planes that were already present in Israel (LX, SU, VS) weren't prohibited from carrying passengers out, provided it was for an essential need which includes going home (or alternate home), doctor appointments, etc.

LY to PVG at 18:15 is still selling seats in weird fare buckets, I guess they got a special waiver for cargo
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: iambarry on January 26, 2021, 10:32:49 AM
They've been closed since March
TOI reports that the Jordan border crossings remain open https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/despite-airport-closure-land-crossings-to-jordan-remain-open/ :
Quote
The open border with Jordan means Israelis abroad who wish to fly in can land in to Jordan and then travel to Israel, bypassing the closure...
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: AsherO on January 26, 2021, 10:36:02 AM
TOI reports that the Jordan border crossings remain open https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/despite-airport-closure-land-crossings-to-jordan-remain-open/ :

כיוונתי לדעת גדולים
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: points 99 on January 26, 2021, 10:51:46 AM
Seeing saver award availability this Friday on United from TLV to EWR. Lots of seats available in coach and business. United has already canceled all flights this week. Might be worth grabbing a couple if you have extra miles waiting, and plans to fly to TLV in the next year. When a flight is canceled, they are accomodating with switching the date, even to dates that do not have saver availibility. A friend got his switched to the week before yom tov! You don't have anything to lose, you definitely can request a full refund if they won't get you the flight you want. If you're thinking to go for Succos, doesn't hurt to grab these, and maybe you'll be able to use them for your flights, otherwise it gets refunded
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: yochai on January 26, 2021, 10:54:10 AM
Seeing saver award availability this Friday on United from TLV to EWR. Lots of seats available in coach and business. United has already canceled all flights this week. Might be worth grabbing a couple if you have extra miles waiting, and plans to fly to TLV in the next year. When a flight is canceled, they are accomodating with switching the date, even to dates that do not have saver availibility. A friend got his switched to the week before yom tov! You don't have anything to lose, you definitely can request a full refund if they won't get you the flight you want. If you're thinking to go for Succos, doesn't hurt to grab these, and maybe you'll be able to use them for your flights, otherwise it gets refunded
Officially they let you change 2 weeks each way from the original flight. I highly doubt it’ll work for Sukkos.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: points 99 on January 26, 2021, 10:56:53 AM
Officially they let you change 2 weeks each way from the original flight. I highly doubt it’ll work for Sukkos.
it worked for Pesach.
Not much risk involved
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on January 26, 2021, 12:11:21 PM
https://www.themarker.com/amp/news/aviation/.premium-1.9483607
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: bmw on January 26, 2021, 02:11:25 PM
theyre still selling seats on united saturday and sunday. however theyre flight is actually flying everyday, so maybe they can take departing passengers ?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: Hjay on January 26, 2021, 02:21:40 PM
Lowly 1K now. Easy come, easy go.

You gotta update  your profile…
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on January 26, 2021, 02:24:19 PM
theyre still selling seats on united saturday and sunday. however theyre flight is actually flying everyday, so maybe they can take departing passengers ?
If the ban is lifted in Feb 1st, then they can take passengers on Sunday, with landing scheduled on Monday.

I just have a strong feeling the ban will be extended
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 26, 2021, 02:45:43 PM
I just have a strong feeling the ban will be extended
I think it's 50:50. There is a lot of pressure from stranded Israelis.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on January 26, 2021, 02:51:01 PM
I think it's 50:50. There is a lot of pressure from stranded Israelis.
We can always bring then back with repatriation flights, IMHO
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 26, 2021, 03:02:00 PM
We can always bring then back with repatriation flights, IMHO
Maybe. The government is discussing that. You're still back to the same problem of having to enforce the quarantine somehow.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on January 26, 2021, 03:05:00 PM
Maybe. The government is discussing that. You're still back to the same problem of having to enforce the quarantine somehow.
Agreed.
I dont see any way besides isolation hotels.
I think it's more manageable when there are less travelers out there.. but it will still be a massive headache / clown show
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 26, 2021, 03:07:20 PM
Agreed.
I dont see any way besides isolation hotels.
I think it's more manageable when there are less travelers out there.. but it will still be a massive headache / clown show
The Quarantine hotels didn't work hermetically. People were allowed to walk out by paying a 5000 NIS fine, and prostitutes were caught coming in. I don't understand why electronic tracking of home quarantine is more burdensome (granted you would have to isolate additional house members too)
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on January 26, 2021, 03:11:44 PM
I don't understand why electronic tracking of home quarantine is more burdensome (granted you would have to isolate additional house members too)
You're referring to phone tracking or electronic bracelets etc?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 26, 2021, 03:14:02 PM
You're referring to phone tracking or electronic bracelets etc?
Bracelets. Forcing somebody into a hotel room is much worse than making him wear a bracelet IMHO. Taiwan does that.

There is also a middle ground of periodic daily check-in video calls etc
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on January 26, 2021, 03:21:14 PM
Bracelets. Forcing somebody into a hotel room is much worse than making him wear a bracelet IMHO. Taiwan does that.

There is also a middle ground of periodic daily check-in video calls etc
I cant picture this being accepted in any western country, let alone Israel.

Perhaps if we would have done it from.day one by branding foreign travel as extremely risky etc. But a year into the pandemic no one will accept that.

And two months before elections Bibi won't be crazy enough to come up with this.

IMHO
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: bmw on January 26, 2021, 03:28:11 PM
united have cancelled outbound flights to israel through feb 8
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 26, 2021, 03:29:58 PM
I cant picture this being accepted in any western country, let alone Israel.

Perhaps if we would have done it from.day one by branding foreign travel as extremely risky etc. But a year into the pandemic no one will accept that.

And two months before elections Bibi won't be crazy enough to come up with this.

IMHO
I understand it's speculative but I think closing the airport was Bibi's posturing tactic to legitimize electronic tracking. I can't find the link but the possibility was raised in the government a week ago right before closing the airport.

https://www.maariv.co.il/corona/corona-israel/Article-817667

https://www.ynet.co.il/digital/technews/article/rkYhFz3gD

Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: yochai on January 26, 2021, 03:32:49 PM
united have cancelled outbound flights to israel through feb 8
Source?
They may have stopped sales, but as of now, my February 1 flight is still a active
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 26, 2021, 03:38:26 PM
Source?
They may have stopped sales, but as of now, my February 1 flight is still a active
UA is still selling seats from Feb 2. Everything up to Jan 31 is cancelled, so Feb 1 is likely just sold out (may be a good idea to push it off by a day if you want to avoid crowds).

AC & DL are selling seats from Jan 31 which is when the current rules expire.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: bmw on January 26, 2021, 03:43:24 PM
i got a call from amex travel that my jan 31 flight leaving ewr arriving feb 1 has been cancelled
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on January 26, 2021, 03:44:56 PM
YWN: Israel’s border crossings to Jordan have remained open despite the closure of Ben Gurion Airport to most flights, Kan News reports. The open border with Jordan means Israelis abroad who wish to fly in can land in to Jordan and then travel to Israel, bypassing the closure that began overnight and which is scheduled to last till the end of January at least.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 26, 2021, 03:45:15 PM
i got a call from amex travel that my jan 31 flight leaving ewr arriving feb 1 has been cancelled
Yes UA cancelled everything up to Jan 31.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: iluv2travel on January 26, 2021, 04:24:05 PM
I just have a strong feeling the ban will be extended

Unfortunately seems like a possibility according to this article where health officials are saying it should be closed for a month:

https://hamodia.com/2021/01/25/health-official-ben-gurion-airport-must-stay-closed-month/
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: yochai on January 26, 2021, 04:43:01 PM
Unfortunately seems like a possibility according to this article where health officials are saying it should be closed for a month:

https://hamodia.com/2021/01/25/health-official-ben-gurion-airport-must-stay-closed-month/
What does hamodia say that wasn’t quoted here yet?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 26, 2021, 04:51:40 PM
Unfortunately seems like a possibility according to this article where health officials are saying it should be closed for a month:

https://hamodia.com/2021/01/25/health-official-ben-gurion-airport-must-stay-closed-month/
The health officials are definitely calling for it but we're doubting it will materialize. You never know though.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 27, 2021, 12:46:15 AM
FTFY
Sorry to burst your hate fest, but it looks like the plan(e) is taking shape


They’re discussing creating a backdoor, which means it will be easier to keep the airport closed longer
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: Danlover111 on January 27, 2021, 01:18:17 AM
Sorry to burst your hate fest, but it looks like the plan(e) is taking shape


They’re discussing creating a backdoor, which means it will be easier to keep the airport closed longer
>:( >:(
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on January 27, 2021, 04:38:12 AM
Maybe. The government is discussing that. You're still back to the same problem of having to enforce the quarantine somehow.

Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on January 27, 2021, 07:58:07 AM
Sorry to burst your hate fest, but it looks like the plan(e) is taking shape



Again, if you read the details you'll realize how addicted they are to creating fake news (at least headlines). Does anyone really believe that there won't be 67 passengers PER DAY each way? This is NOT a subsidy, at most it's a backstop, yet even in the detailed articles about this they talk about a hypothetical of one single passenger in a flight.

I have a few bridges to sell you.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on January 27, 2021, 08:13:04 AM
OTOH


I would imagine that such a closure might be disallowed if brought in front of the Israeli supreme court. Though I am not sure if they consider it a civil right also to enter the country, or just to leave.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on January 27, 2021, 08:26:49 AM

(https://i.postimg.cc/gjzYWbMB/Screenshot-20210127-152558.png) (https://postimg.cc/wyrKXZYh)
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: bmw on January 27, 2021, 11:38:35 AM
i see united are still selling flights leaving israel jan 30 onwards. does that mean they are taking passengers on the return ?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on January 27, 2021, 11:58:02 AM
The policy and enforcement thereof is limited by the infamous "חוק יסוד כבוד האדם וחרותו" which guarantees the freedom to leave the country. So they implemented it by temporarily suspending the commercial aviation licenses of Israeli airlines, and disallowing foreign inbound commercial passenger flights. Note that they are barring entry on the land borders, can't bar exit using the land borders.

I am presuming that they would have rather gone with the Australian model of strict inbound and outbound capacity (and authority) control, along with mandatory passenger paid hotel quarantine on arrival, but they can't make that work within the existing legal framework.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: m65 on January 27, 2021, 12:08:10 PM
Note that they are barring entry on the land borders, can't bar exit using the land borders.
are u sure about that?
i can just show up at a land border and they will let me leave?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 27, 2021, 12:09:31 PM
OTOH

I would imagine that such a closure might be disallowed if brought in front of the Israeli supreme court. Though I am not sure if they consider it a civil right also to enter the country, or just to leave.
The land borders were sealed from March until November. And even now you can only come in and not go out. The court couldn’t care less.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 27, 2021, 12:12:00 PM
are u sure about that?
i can just show up at a land border and they will let me leave?
No
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on January 27, 2021, 12:19:48 PM
are u sure about that?
i can just show up at a land border and they will let me leave?

I am only writing based on what I read regarding the airport shut down and seeing the language regarding the land border closing. What they actually do is beyond me.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: m65 on January 27, 2021, 12:20:20 PM
No
u argue on @ExGingi ???
thats almost as bad as arguing with the belzer rebbe 😜
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: m65 on January 27, 2021, 12:20:51 PM
I am only writing based on what I read regarding the airport shut down and seeing the language regarding the land border closing. What they actually do is beyond me.
what they actually do is all i care about
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on January 27, 2021, 12:22:36 PM
what they actually do is all i care about

Apparently, @PlatinumGuy is correct. Though there has been a petition against it in court. I didn't research the outcome thereof.

https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001338957
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: m65 on January 27, 2021, 12:25:16 PM
Apparently, @PlatinumGuy is correct. Though there has been a petition against it in court. I didn't research the outcome thereof.

https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001338957
thats an old article, the way things move these days it might as well have been written לפני קום המדינה
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on January 27, 2021, 12:39:56 PM
thats an old article, the way things move these days it might as well have been written לפני קום המדינה

Here's a later article that seems to indicate that the petition was denied. Though based on the article it seems like they petitioned for two way traffic. Unless the Egyptians and Jordanians deny entry, I doubt whether a rule to bar exit from the Israeli side would stand in court.

https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001350750
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 27, 2021, 12:48:50 PM
Temporarily barring exiting the country isn't really more of an infringement on peoples movement rights than limiting people from leaving the 1KM radius from home.

On Yom Kippur all the borders are closed for 24h (@ExGingi constantly mentions his fantasy that it would be so every shabbos), now it's 14 days.

The courts in Israel have yet to strike down a Covid restriction that I'm aware of.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on January 27, 2021, 12:53:00 PM
(@ExGingi constantly mentions his fantasy that it would be so every shabbos)

Interesting way of phrasing things. Do you also call ותחזינה עינינו בשובך לציון ברחמים a fantasy?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 27, 2021, 12:57:22 PM
Land borders close as of 6am.

שר הפנים אריה דרעי: ייסגרו מעברי הגבול היבשתיים לכניסת ישראלים וזרים עד ליום 31.1.2021 
 
     
שר הפנים אריה דרעי: ייסגרו מעברי הגבול היבשתיים לכניסת ישראלים וזרים עד ליום 31.1.2021
בהמשך להחלטת הממשלה על סגירת נתב״ג להמראות ולנחיתות, ובמטרה להשלים את המאמצים המשותפים למניעת הרחבת התחלואה, הודיע כעת (יום ד׳) שר הפנים, אריה דרעי, כי מעברי הגבול היבשתיים (נהר הירדן, טאבה, ערבה) ייסגרו לכניסת ישראלים וזרים.

תוקף הצו יהיה החל ממחר, 28.1.2021, בשעה 06:00 ועד ליום ראשון, 31.1.2021.
מעברי הגבול עליהם יחול הצו הם: נהר הירדן, טאבה וערבה.
מעבר אלנבי יישאר פתוח למעבר תושבי יהודה ושומרון.




Interesting way of phrasing things. Do you also call ותחזינה עינינו בשובך לציון ברחמים a fantasy?
Discussing the possibility the state of Israel will close Ben Gurion on Shabbos as if it's as likely as snow coming next week, is a fantasy.

Moshiach coming today is possible, but that's also been the case for the last 700,000 days, so the probability isn't high, unfortunately. 
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on January 27, 2021, 01:26:04 PM
Discussing the possibility the state of Israel will close Ben Gurion on Shabbos as if it's as likely as snow coming next week, is a fantasy.

Moshiach coming today is possible, but that's also been the case for the last 700,000 days, so the probability isn't high, unfortunately.

Since you seem to like to have the last word. I will just leave it at that.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: chinagel on January 27, 2021, 01:47:09 PM
so the probability isn't high, unfortunately.
Oish.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: AsherO on January 27, 2021, 02:13:40 PM
Moshiach coming today is possible, but that's also been the case for the last 700,000 days, so the probability isn't high, unfortunately. 

You remind me of this recent discussion on the topic:
https://seforimblog.com/2020/11/rabbi-steinman-and-the-messiah-part-1/
https://seforimblog.com/2020/12/rabbi-steinman-and-the-messiah-part-2/
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 27, 2021, 02:30:17 PM
You remind me of this recent discussion on the topic:
https://seforimblog.com/2020/11/rabbi-steinman-and-the-messiah-part-1/
https://seforimblog.com/2020/12/rabbi-steinman-and-the-messiah-part-2/

I will try to phrase it in the most PC way (I'll get flamed anyway), and I know it's going far OT, but I've been wondering lately how much of what appears to some to be a tendency to discount reality (Rebbishe stories, covid precautions, איבה in general) in the Chassidish world stems from the actual derech Chassidus as taught by the Baal Shem Tov (like believing in Nissim and influences other than nature) vs communal herd mentality evolution (like the broader movement to wear B&W and hats and that my Rebbe must be the greatest Rebbe)
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: AsherO on January 27, 2021, 02:33:51 PM
I will try to phrase it in the most PC way (I'll get flamed anyway), and I know it's going far OT, but I've been wondering lately how much of what appears to some to be a tendency to discount reality (Rebbishe stories, covid precautions, איבה in general) in the Chassidish world stems from the actual derech Chassidus as taught by the Baal Shem Tov (like believing in Nissim and influences other than nature) vs communal herd mentality evolution (like the broader movement to wear B&W and hats and that my Rebbe must be the greatest Rebbe)

I’m not taking any positions. I thoroughly enjoyed what I read in those links you’re quoting.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 27, 2021, 02:34:20 PM
I’m not taking any positions. I thoroughly enjoyed what I read in those links you’re quoting.
As did I, thank you.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: AsherO on January 27, 2021, 02:44:24 PM
I’m not taking any positions. I thoroughly enjoyed what I read in those links you’re quoting.

On second thought, are you suggesting herd-mentality/group-think are more prevalent in the Chassidic community than in the Yeshivish community?

Because it seems you’re implying that, and I think they’re about equal.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 27, 2021, 04:50:37 PM
Aviation update:
 Tonight, the Ministry of Transportation approved a single daily flight that will depart from the country to Frankfurt in the morning and return the same afternoon. Performed by Israir.  Passengers, who have a special exit permit from the Exceptions Committee, will purchase the flight ticket.  Israelis returning to Israel do not need a special permit.  Scheduled to take place on Thursdays, Fridays and Sundays.  Continuation according to government decisions regarding closure and closure of Ben Gurion Airport

On second thought, are you suggesting herd-mentality/group-think are more prevalent in the Chassidic community than in the Yeshivish community?

Because it seems you’re implying that, and I think they’re about equal.
No, I’m questioning whether those elements in chassidim emerged from herd mentality as opposed to hashkafa, I agree there is probably just as much herd mentality in both communities it just brings about different outcomes
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: Dan on January 27, 2021, 04:54:19 PM
How does one contact the "Exceptions Committee?"
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: Danlover111 on January 27, 2021, 05:00:45 PM
How does one contact the "Exceptions Committee?"
govforms.gov.il/mw/forms/TisaHarigaEn@mot.gov.il
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: AsherO on January 27, 2021, 05:03:17 PM
No, I’m questioning whether those elements in chassidim emerged from herd mentality as opposed to hashkafa, I agree there is probably just as much herd mentality in both communities it just brings about different outcomes

You believe there's more COVID denial in KJ/Williamsburg/BP than Lakewood?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on January 27, 2021, 05:18:40 PM
I will try to phrase it in the most PC way (I'll get flamed anyway), and I know it's going far OT, but I've been wondering lately how much of what appears to some to be a tendency to discount reality (Rebbishe stories, covid precautions, איבה in general) in the Chassidish world stems from the actual derech Chassidus as taught by the Baal Shem Tov (like believing in Nissim and influences other than nature)

As for it stemming from the תורת הבעש"ט see:

https://chabadlibrary.org/books/admur/lkus/33/10/1/index.htm or https://beta.hebrewbooks.org/reader/reader.aspx?sfid=15902#p=176&fitMode=fitwidth&hlts=&ocr=

vs communal herd mentality evolution (like the broader movement to wear B&W and hats and that my Rebbe must be the greatest Rebbe)

I cannot speak for any Chosid of any Rebbe, but is that really how they view it? Or is it that he is a great Rebbe and leader of my own derech (or sect)?.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on January 27, 2021, 05:21:09 PM
govforms.gov.il/mw/forms/TisaHarigaEn@mot.gov.il

https://www.gov.il/BlobFolder/service/special-request-to-fly/he/out%20country%20EN.pdf
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 27, 2021, 05:47:04 PM
You believe there's more COVID denial in KJ/Williamsburg/BP than Lakewood?
I think so, but I could be wrong. In Israel the difference appears to be more polar and is contributing to a breakup between the yeshivish & Chassidish parties

How does one contact the "Exceptions Committee?"
I’m guessing foreign citizens will be allowed to leave without a special exemption
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: aygart on January 27, 2021, 05:52:21 PM

I cannot speak for any Chosid of any Rebbe, but is that really how they view it? Or is it that he is a great Rebbe and leader of my own derech (or sect)?.
נשיא הדור?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: aygart on January 27, 2021, 05:53:48 PM
You believe there's more COVID denial in KJ/Williamsburg/BP than Lakewood?
Yes. In Lakewood it is rare for someone to prevent a person from wearing a mask. I know a few people who wore masks in Willi and were asked if they were preparing for purim.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 27, 2021, 06:07:22 PM
Yes. In Lakewood it is rare for someone to prevent a person from wearing a mask. I know a few people who wore masks in Willi and were asked if they were preparing for purim.
I think the DDF posts are skewed because the arguments are coming more from Lakewood types who are busy posing alternate theories, while the chassidim are more prone to thinking there’s anything to argue about
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on January 27, 2021, 06:13:47 PM
Yes. In Lakewood it is rare for someone to prevent a person from wearing a mask. I know a few people who wore masks in Willi and were asked if they were preparing for purim.

I fully respect anyone that wears a mask, but I question those that do it part-time. Case-in-point, I was at a siyum Sefer Torah yesterday, where one of the family members was going around masked most of the time (he's from OOT), yet for a certain period he removed his mask (while still being in the same crowded indoor room). I didn't ask him (though I would if I would have a private moment with him) - ממה נפשך?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: AsherO on January 27, 2021, 06:48:49 PM
I fully respect anyone that wears a mask, but I question those that do it part-time. Case-in-point, I was at a siyum Sefer Torah yesterday, where one of the family members was going around masked most of the time (he's from OOT), yet for a certain period he removed his mask (while still being in the same crowded indoor room). I didn't ask him (though I would if I would have a private moment with him) - ממה נפשך?

Does everyone always drive with a seat belt? Does everyone always boat with a life jacket? It’s a safety precaution and some usage is better than no usage.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: iluv2travel on January 27, 2021, 07:21:05 PM
I know a few people who wore masks in Willi and were asked if they were preparing for purim.

That's called preventing?

(Not that I agree with the approach at all. I would just answer yes. We prepare for Pesach more than a month before. )
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on January 27, 2021, 07:25:42 PM
Does everyone always drive with a seat belt? Does everyone always boat with a life jacket? It’s a safety precaution and some usage is better than no usage.

אינו דומה כלל וכלל.

We're talking about being in the exact same (presumably hazardous) situation.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 27, 2021, 07:32:00 PM
אינו דומה כלל וכלל.

We're talking about being in the exact same (presumably hazardous) situation.
Actually the risk changes with the amount of time exposed. 15 minutes masksless is more than 3x riskier than 5 minutes maskless, because there is likely a minimum viral load threshold.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ar on January 27, 2021, 10:57:52 PM
Have family members from Israel that need to come in 2 weeks for their childs wedding in the US. Wonder if that would qualify as an exemption.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on January 27, 2021, 11:01:38 PM
Have family members from Israel that need to come in 2 weeks for their childs wedding in the US. Wonder if that would qualify as an exemption.

Based on the exceptions on the form you would have to argue that it's a kind of a funeral (I'm sure you're familiar with the joke about why a chupa has 4 poles), or a legal proceeding.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on January 27, 2021, 11:25:03 PM
https://m.ynet.co.il/articles/58790700

Mentions legal challenges with closing land borders, though seems to be talking about entry rather than exit.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 27, 2021, 11:29:30 PM
Have family members from Israel that need to come in 2 weeks for their childs wedding in the US. Wonder if that would qualify as an exemption.
It's too early to know, although I'd guess parents of Chosen & Kallah will make it out. Are they Israeli citizens? That appears to allow them in already.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on January 27, 2021, 11:55:06 PM
Actually the risk changes with the amount of time exposed. 15 minutes masksless is more than 3x riskier than 5 minutes maskless, because there is likely a minimum viral load threshold.

So where does one draw the line? How does one decide how much is "too much"?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 28, 2021, 12:15:55 AM
So where does one draw the line? How does one decide how much is "too much"?
You try to do as much as you can. There is no too much until it comes at the cost of something more important. And don't tell me the discomfort of wearing a mask is a cost, at least 1,000,000,000 humans wear one every day. You aren't that different.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on January 28, 2021, 01:31:48 AM
You try to do as much as you can. There is no too much until it comes at the cost of something more important. And don't tell me the discomfort of wearing a mask is a cost, at least 1,000,000,000 humans wear one every day. You aren't that different.

Where do I come into the equation? I am questioning those that are inconsistent.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on January 28, 2021, 02:12:51 AM
https://mobile.mako.co.il/news-israel/2021_q1/Article-b8066da96a74771027.htm?sCh=31750a2610f26110&pId=173113802

Israir has won the government bid for 2 'rescue' flights to Frankfurt and back, on Friday and Sunday.

Passengers need to apply to the exemptions committee in order to be allowed in / out
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 28, 2021, 02:15:13 AM
Where do I come into the equation? I am questioning those that are inconsistent.
Replace ‘you’ with ‘one’
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 28, 2021, 03:41:01 AM
I’m guessing foreign citizens will be allowed to leave without a special exemption

The English website, unlike the Hebrew version, explicitly says you don’t need prior approval to fly out of Israel ‘to the return to the country of origin’.

‏‫⁦‪https://www.gov.il/en/service/special-request-to-fly‬⁩
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on January 28, 2021, 03:56:27 AM
The English website, unlike the Hebrew version, explicitly says you don’t need prior approval to fly out of Israel ‘to the return to the country of origin’.

‏‫⁦‪https://www.gov.il/en/service/special-request-to-fly‬⁩
You're sure about your link?


(https://i.postimg.cc/FsrzXSqH/Screenshot-20210128-105533.png) (https://postimg.cc/6TPtd8tk)
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on January 28, 2021, 04:09:53 AM
(https://i.postimg.cc/FsrzXSqH/Screenshot-20210128-105533.png) (https://postimg.cc/6TPtd8tk)

That sounds like me trying to find @PlatinumGuy's interpretation in the Ran's words.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: iambarry on January 28, 2021, 04:15:30 AM
You're sure about your link?
This one seems to work:
https://www.gov.il/en/service/special-request-to-fly
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: AsherO on January 28, 2021, 08:18:57 AM
You try to do as much as you can. There is no too much until it comes at the cost of something more important. And don't tell me the discomfort of wearing a mask is a cost, at least 1,000,000,000 humans wear one every day. You aren't that different.

Most of China isn’t wearing masks every day.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on January 28, 2021, 08:23:11 AM
Most of China isn’t wearing masks every day.
Please. stop. confusing. with. facts.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 28, 2021, 07:58:47 PM
Most of China isn’t wearing masks every day.
Vietnam, Thailand, Singapore, Europe
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on January 29, 2021, 07:38:30 AM
https://www.israelhayom.co.il/interactive/amp/article/845361

Combination of bad logistics and a flight scheduled to land late Friday Afternoon ends up with only 31 passengers. I guess the government backstop will apply to this one.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ar on January 29, 2021, 09:35:49 AM
So is this closure extended past Jan 31st?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: Ergel on January 29, 2021, 09:36:08 AM
So is this closure extended past Jan 31st?
Meeting on Sunday to determine, but it seems like it will be
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ar on January 29, 2021, 09:50:13 AM
Meeting on Sunday to determine, but it seems like it will be

Thanks, crazy
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: yochai on January 29, 2021, 09:57:15 AM
Thanks, crazy
Totally. I have a flight for Monday but can’t do anything because it wasn’t officially cancelled yet.
I don’t get how airlines can manage with such short notice.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on January 29, 2021, 10:51:49 AM
Totally. I have a flight for Monday but can’t do anything because it wasn’t officially cancelled yet.
I don’t get how airlines can manage with such short notice.

And thousands of people stuck overseas, needing to get a COVID-19 test within 72 hours of flight, where getting results can take a day or two...
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: yochai on January 29, 2021, 10:55:40 AM
And thousands of people stuck overseas, needing to get a COVID-19 test within 72 hours of flight, where getting results can take a day or two...
+1000
My mother is supposed to leave Israel on Monday and needs a negative test to enter the US. If she gets tested after Shabbos, it may be a complete waste of time.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on January 29, 2021, 11:17:36 AM
+1000
My mother is supposed to leave Israel on Monday and needs a negative test to enter the US. If she gets tested after Shabbos, it may be a complete waste of time.
How about bochurim in the US that have a flight Sunday night, if they get tested today, will they be able to get results before Monday in the US?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: UKinNYS on January 29, 2021, 01:39:21 PM
In Monsey for fastest turnaround call Yossi Sklarz 347-723-7707 Ysklarz4@gmail.com - 1 day turnaround $85
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 29, 2021, 01:43:33 PM
Netanyahu has a majority in the government that does whatever he tells them to do. Netanyahu says openly they will for sure keep the airport closed.

There is almost no chance it will reopen next week.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: Dan on January 29, 2021, 01:45:02 PM
Netanyahu has a majority in the government that does whatever he tells them to do. Netanyahu says openly they will for sure keep the airport closed.

There is almost no chance it will reopen next week.
So why didn't it happen yet?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 29, 2021, 01:47:49 PM
So why didn't it happen yet?
Gantz held up the meeting (which Netanyhu didn't want to override), but the meeting is already scheduled for Sunday.

Gantz won and got all of the Kenneset parties to agree to convene special Kenneset session on Sunday (kinda like unanimous consent in the US) to legislate a stricter enforcement law that the government can't mandate on its own.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 29, 2021, 01:52:56 PM
I understand it's speculative but I think closing the airport was Bibi's posturing tactic to legitimize electronic tracking. I can't find the link but the possibility was raised in the government a week ago right before closing the airport.

https://www.maariv.co.il/corona/corona-israel/Article-817667

https://www.ynet.co.il/digital/technews/article/rkYhFz3gD

Being discussed

https://www.mako.co.il/news-lifestyle/2021_q1/Article-089a566ec0f4771027.htm
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: Dan on January 29, 2021, 01:56:14 PM
Being discussed

https://www.mako.co.il/news-lifestyle/2021_q1/Article-089a566ec0f4771027.htm
"ובכמה מדינות בארצות הברית"
Which ones?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 29, 2021, 01:59:07 PM
Netanyahu says openly they will for sure keep the airport closed.

"ובכמה מדינות בארצות הברית"
Which ones?
Sounds like fake news (אי אפשר לבר בלא תבן) , unless it's an island in Hawaii or something like that.

Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: yochai on January 29, 2021, 02:28:48 PM
Totally. I have a flight for Monday but can’t do anything because it wasn’t officially cancelled yet.
I don’t get how airlines can manage with such short notice.
UA just cancelled flight 85 for Monday
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: yochai on January 29, 2021, 04:10:49 PM
UA just cancelled flight 85 for Monday
I got this email from United:

Please note United flight UA085 on February 1st from Tel-Aviv to Newark is canceled.
You may be rebooked for United flight UA091 on February 1st that will depart at 23:50 and will arrive at Newark at 04:45 on February 2nd.
Please let us know.
 
Despite the travel restrictions imposed on Tel-Aviv BGN airport, exceptions are available for passengers that request special permission to travel, receive, and can provide proof of the official authorization.
 
Permission to depart Israel will be granted solely to passengers that meet the criteria as required by the Israeli Government, according to details outlined in the link below:
 
Hebrew: https://www.gov.il/he/Departments/Guides/flying-to-israel-guidlines?chapterIndex=2
 
English: https://www.gov.il/en/service/special-request-to-fly
 
All Nationalities: If you are traveling for one of the below reasons you do not require special permission from the Israeli Government to travel and should complete a statement:
a funeral of a close family member
medical treatment
returning to your country of origin
Hebrew language link for more details: https://www.gov.il/he/service/special-request-to-fly
English language link for more details: https://www.gov.il/en/service/special-request-to-fly
Important: during airport closure, no returns will be possible. 
 
Please be sure to confirm the status of your flight on united.com or the United app before departing Tel Aviv. 
 
Please reply to this email and advise if you are planning to show up on your booked flight.
 
Passengers holding a special permit must forward it to this email in advance of their flight. 
 
Please either reply to this email, or contact sales solution on Sunday between 09:00-17:00 03-5116787
 
Thank you,
United team.
 
 
Alexander
Sales Solution Centre
 
United | 132 Menachem Begin rd. |Azrieli Centre round bldg. 32nd  floor Tel-Aviv , 67021
 
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 29, 2021, 04:13:04 PM
Those links only discuss leaving Israel and not flying into Israel
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: yochai on January 29, 2021, 04:20:34 PM
Those links only discuss leaving Israel and not flying into Israel
Correct. As they wrote, there’s no way to get back into Israel.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on January 29, 2021, 04:53:53 PM
Correct. As they wrote, there’s no way to get back into Israel.
Except via FRA on Israir or on a private aircraft.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 30, 2021, 07:03:03 PM
Except via FRA on Israir or on a private aircraft.
Or by an Israeli registered boat.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: mijo on January 31, 2021, 12:56:17 AM
UA91 flying tonight (Sun Jan 31) for those with special departure permission.
Same as last night, also UA91 just for pax to NY
The inbound flight from EWR is cargo only UA2863
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: yochai on January 31, 2021, 01:05:13 AM
Does anyone know if coming in for a grandson’s bris (and coming to help daughter who gave birth) would qualify for special permission to exit Israel?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 31, 2021, 01:05:48 AM
Does anyone know if coming in for a grandson’s bris (and coming to help daughter who gave birth) would qualify for special permission to exit Israel?
Which citizenship?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: yochai on January 31, 2021, 01:08:35 AM
Which citizenship?
Dual Israeli/American. Lives in Israel
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: yochai on January 31, 2021, 01:10:38 AM
UA91 flying tonight (Sun Jan 31) for those with special departure permission.
Same as last night, also UA91 just for pax to NY
The inbound flight from EWR is cargo only UA2863
UA955 (TLV-SFO) is also scheduled for Monday night (Tue AM). Coming in as cargo.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 31, 2021, 01:12:29 AM
Dual Israeli/American. Lives in Israel
I'd imagine she'd be let out by just showing the US passport at the airport.

As for a Bris constituting an exception for an Israeli to leave, you can try your luck with the online form. Beforehand Israel wasn't issuing permits to grandparents to enter Israel for a Bris or other Simcha, but the criteria aren't necessarily the same. A letter from a doctor stating the daughter requires assistance may help.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: mijo on January 31, 2021, 02:17:38 AM
Does anyone know if coming in for a grandson’s bris (and coming to help daughter who gave birth) would qualify for special permission to exit Israel?
Contact the local Israeli Embassy-as of Thursday afternoon, they weren't allowing such cases into Israel even on a private jet - not regarded by them as humanitarian, even if you're a citizen
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on January 31, 2021, 02:23:07 AM
Chaim vehessed also reported that there will be a DL px flight out of TLV tomorrow night.

Videos from Hul Mehudar show that weren't more than 30 ppl on the UA flight to EWR. Doesn't look like ppl are in a rush to leave :)
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 31, 2021, 02:23:25 AM
Israeli citizens on Israeli registered jets are allowed in without any need for permit or exception
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: bluesky on January 31, 2021, 02:57:43 AM
Israeli citizens on Israeli registered jets are allowed in without any need for permit or exception
Which are Israeli registered jets?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on January 31, 2021, 04:41:18 AM
Chaim vehessed also reported that there will be a DL px flight out of TLV tomorrow night.

Videos from Hul Mehudar show that weren't more than 30 ppl on the UA flight to EWR. Doesn't look like ppl are in a rush to leave :)
Confirmed

Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: yochai on January 31, 2021, 06:47:56 AM
Contact the local Israeli Embassy-as of Thursday afternoon, they weren't allowing such cases into Israel even on a private jet - not regarded by them as humanitarian, even if you're a citizen
Question is regarding leaving Israel to come to the US
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 31, 2021, 09:41:38 AM
Which are Israeli registered jets?
Private jets with a tail number starting with 4X
Confirmed

Foreign citizens don’t need advance authorization though
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: points 99 on January 31, 2021, 11:00:21 AM
Private jets with a tail number starting with 4XForeign citizens don’t need advance authorization though
Anyone have a guestimate how much it would cost to rent a private Israeli jet to fly in from Greece
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 31, 2021, 11:06:45 AM
Anyone have a guestimate how much it would cost to rent a private Israeli jet to fly in from Greece
~$15k-20k
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: albatach on January 31, 2021, 11:44:35 AM
Did the Israeli government extended the airport closure for another week ?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: aisrael on January 31, 2021, 11:53:45 AM
Anyone have a guestimate how much it would cost to rent a private Israeli jet to fly in from Greece
u can get a 6 seater from tlv-jordan for about 5-6k
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 31, 2021, 12:05:04 PM
Did the Israeli government tended the airport closure for another week ?
Meeting called for 19:00 and didn't start yet, but all of the parties are saying they will vote to extend
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on January 31, 2021, 12:11:20 PM
Meeting called for 19:00 and didn't start yet, but all of the parties are saying they will vote to extend
Consensus is for another 2 weeks closure IINM?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 31, 2021, 12:12:51 PM
Consensus is for another 2 weeks closure IINM?
I think Gantz is saying until Wednesday, and the legal counsel is opposed anything more than a few days without legislation, so I'd guess it'll end up being a week at this point until it's extended again.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 31, 2021, 12:42:20 PM
N12 reporting Quarantine hotels being proposed for anybody who enters Israel (via the current options) from Tuesday
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: Aryeh95 on January 31, 2021, 01:32:15 PM
My sister is getting married in Israel next week on the 8th. Any chance I'll be able to go?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 31, 2021, 01:36:57 PM
My sister is getting married in Israel next week on the 8th. Any chance I'll be able to go?
There is always a chance. Are you an Israeli citizen?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: Aryeh95 on January 31, 2021, 01:37:22 PM
There is always a chance. Are you an Israeli citizen?
Yes. My wife isn't.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 31, 2021, 01:40:21 PM
Yes. My wife isn't.
Your wife can't go, that's for sure. There's a possibility you may be able to get on an Israir FRA-TLV or the like, it depends if they continue to allow all Israeli citizens or you have to pass a committee who will likely notice there is no way for you to attend the wedding without violating quarantine.
Also:
N12 reporting Quarantine hotels being proposed for anybody who enters Israel (via the current options) from Tuesday
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 31, 2021, 02:07:12 PM
Meeting called for 19:00 and didn't start yet, but all of the parties are saying they will vote to extend
Going on and on while the whole lockdown expires in 3h if they don't vote.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on January 31, 2021, 02:09:07 PM
Going on and on while the whole lockdown expires in 3h if they don't vote.
Dont worry they will vote.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 31, 2021, 02:11:17 PM
Dont worry they will vote.
Of course, just funny how everything is so last minute.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on January 31, 2021, 02:19:47 PM
Of course, just funny how everything is so last minute.

Anyone surprised?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: UKinNYS on January 31, 2021, 03:02:52 PM
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/295953
Any idea where they're upto?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: UKinNYS on January 31, 2021, 03:15:35 PM
They're still fighting apparently;
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="iw" dir="rtl">גנץ: נחמן אתה חוזר על אותם נתונים כל הזמן כי אין סגר. אתה מתכנן על סגר שלא קיים.<br>נחמן: אתה רואה את זה במקדם ההדבקה.<br>גנץ: כי יש חיסונים. החיסון קיים ומשפר אבל הסגר לא זה; ביבי: הסגר קיים. לא כמו שהיינו רוצים. תהיו מדויקים. עדיין יש נטל ואנשים מקיימים את זה. לא בצורה שלמה</p>&mdash; Itamar Eichner (@itamareichner) <a href="?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 31, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Have to say I agree with gantz here
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: Aryeh95 on January 31, 2021, 03:56:02 PM
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on January 31, 2021, 03:59:43 PM


If only it was a mutation. Isn't that SOP in Israeli politics?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on January 31, 2021, 04:17:32 PM
Anyone have a guestimate how much it would cost to rent a private Israeli jet to fly in from Greece
https://m.ynet.co.il/articles/5879741
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 31, 2021, 04:36:39 PM
N12 reporting Quarantine hotels being proposed for anybody who enters Israel (via the current options) from Tuesday
Passed. Quanrtine hotels now required
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: yochai on January 31, 2021, 04:55:44 PM
https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/BJiIMiVld?utm_source=m.ynet.co.il&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=referral
Airport closure officially extended by a week
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: UKinNYS on January 31, 2021, 05:07:14 PM
till friday 7am
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/295968
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: yochai on January 31, 2021, 05:31:07 PM
till friday 7am
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/295968
That’s for the lockdown. The airport closure is till Sunday
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: jungle on January 31, 2021, 05:40:10 PM
how quick can someone take a covid test in israel?
Can I take it tomorrow morning and still catch the delta flight?
i.e. will they give me the results in time?
Thanks
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: aisrael on January 31, 2021, 05:44:57 PM
anyone think this is the last week forreal? seems like this was the hardest to get passed
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 31, 2021, 06:49:55 PM
anyone think this is the last week forreal? seems like this was the hardest to get passed
Very possible
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: flyingBlue on February 01, 2021, 12:44:49 AM
Is there any option for a couple from Israel (both are Israeli citizens) that left their children in Israel to return home from the US?
Please help
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: iambarry on February 01, 2021, 08:11:08 AM
Anyone have a guestimate how much it would cost to rent a private Israeli jet to fly in from Greece
Not a cheap option, but Laufer just sent me an email with special rates for private jets:

(https://i.postimg.cc/B67N37S9/private-jet.png) (https://postimages.org/)
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on February 01, 2021, 10:34:41 AM
Link for Israelis requesting to return to Israel:

https://survey.gov.il/he/Entrances


קריטריונים לאישורי כניסה חריגים:

1. למטרות טיפול רפואי חיוני ביותר שאינו סובל דיחוי (עבור המבקש או קטין התלוי בו), על-פי הצגת זימון ממוסד רפואי.

2. למטרת הגעה ללוויה של בן משפחה מדרגה ראשונה, בכפוף לאימות הפרטים.

3. במקרים של תאונה או פציעה פתאומית של קרוב משפחה מדרגה ראשונה המאושפז במוסד רפואי בארץ, בהתאם להצגת מסמכים.

4. למטרות עבודה של עובד חיוני במערכת שהינה חיונית לתפקוד המדינה, ובתנאי שלא ניתן לדחותה או לבצעה מרחוק.

5. לשם חזרתן לארץ של משלחות ממשלתיות, כולל מחברות ממשלתיות, שיצאו לשהות קצרה בחו"ל ושל שליחים רשמיים מטעם המדינה שיצאו למטרות ייצוג המדינה באופן רשמי.

6. הוועדה תוכל גם לשקול מקרים נוספים המשיקים לסעיפים 1,2 ו-3 שלעיל, והדומים להם מבחינת מהותם, דחיפותם, וחומרתם מבחינה הומניטרית
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on February 01, 2021, 01:08:57 PM
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001359203

Looks like the government became stricter, and no foreign carieer will be authorized to carry pax this week.

So far only Israir is operating to FRA, with capacity expected to increase to 2x daily.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: UKinNYS on February 01, 2021, 01:26:32 PM
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/land-border-crossings-to-stay-closed-until-tuesday-amid-covid-concerns-657361
Anyone know the technicalities of crossing from Jordan? Allenby crossing for non-Israeli?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: flyingBlue on February 01, 2021, 01:46:35 PM
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001359203

Looks like the government became stricter, and no foreign carieer will be authorized to carry pax this week.

So far only Israir is operating to FRA, with capacity expected to increase to 2x daily.

Are there flights from FRA to Israel as well?
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Post by: tavster on February 01, 2021, 01:47:45 PM
Are there flights from FRA to Israel as well?
Sure. These flights fly back with Israelis on board. Need special approval. See few posts above for link
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Post by: ExGingi on February 01, 2021, 01:58:43 PM
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/land-border-crossings-to-stay-closed-until-tuesday-amid-covid-concerns-657361
Anyone know the technicalities of crossing from Jordan? Allenby crossing for non-Israeli?

If Israeli private aircraft are allowed, why don't they just shuttle people to/from AMM?
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Post by: tavster on February 01, 2021, 02:00:47 PM
If Israeli private aircraft are allowed, why don't they just shuttle people to/from AMM?
+1

Same question for Israir.. why dafka FRA when all the Israelis are stuck in Dubai  ;D
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Post by: JlmBoi on February 01, 2021, 03:57:14 PM
+1

Same question for Israir.. why dafka FRA when all the Israelis are stuck in Dubai  ;D
Lots of the Israelis in Dubai are happy staying put.
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 01, 2021, 04:40:02 PM
If Israeli private aircraft are allowed, why don't they just shuttle people to/from AMM?
You now need the same permit to travel on Israeli private aircraft. The difference was only last week when Israelis were allowed to enter without a special permit
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Post by: ExGingi on February 01, 2021, 05:06:31 PM
You now need the same permit to travel on Israeli private aircraft. The difference was only last week when Israelis were allowed to enter without a special permit

Right. But once a permit is obtained, the question is what are your flight options and at what cost. AMM can be reached by aircraft that can take of from LLHZ (not that it's happening, as there are no immigration facilities there, but the point is that it's the closes destination that can be reached by all kinds of aircraft). If AMM is open, why not run a shuttle a few times a day TLV-AMM on an aircraft that makes economic sense for such a service at the current level of demand.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: m65 on February 01, 2021, 05:54:37 PM
Passed. Quanrtine hotels now required
what are the exeptions?
machlimim and mechusanim?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 01, 2021, 06:17:11 PM
what are the exeptions?
machlimim and mechusanim?
Everybody is subject to review by a MOH rep/committee upon arrival
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 01, 2021, 11:32:40 PM
Going on and on while the whole lockdown expires in 3h if they don't vote.
Ended up voting on it less than 30 minutes before the midnight expiration

Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 02, 2021, 12:51:21 PM
Per Chaim Vchessed: 

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The authorities have publicized that a special permit will be needed to board the emergency flights from Germany to Israel. Click here to apply for this permit. However, it is important to note that the Israir website itself states only that priority will be given to passengers with ishurim to enter Israel. This implies that the entry permit is only preferred, but not required, for entering Israel. Government officials, too, have told Chiam V’Chessed representatives, that at this moment, the special permit is not mandatory. Of course, this can change at any time, so we strongly encourage travelers to apply for the permit.

I have seen this language elsewhere. The idea is that Israel currently does not bar Israelis from entering, it only bars Israeli commercial airlines from operating, Foreign planes from landing with pax, and prioritizes seats on the flights exceptionally allowed to those with a permit, so exceptional flights with leftover space and private jets can still bring any Israeli in.

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Furthermore, all passengers arriving in Israel through February 7 must quarantine for 10 to 14 days in government quarantine hotels. People who have been vaccinated or have recovered from Corona IN ISRAEL are exempt from this requirement.
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Post by: ExGingi on February 02, 2021, 01:07:40 PM
Right. But once a permit is obtained, the question is what are your flight options and at what cost. AMM can be reached by aircraft that can take of from LLHZ (not that it's happening, as there are no immigration facilities there, but the point is that it's the closes destination that can be reached by all kinds of aircraft). If AMM is open, why not run a shuttle a few times a day TLV-AMM on an aircraft that makes economic sense for such a service at the current level of demand.

Here's a tweet (part of a thread with plenty of examples) about a flight to get people from AMM:

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Post by: tavster on February 02, 2021, 03:22:03 PM
LY is requesting approval to operate rescue flights to North America

https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001359357
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Post by: yochai on February 02, 2021, 03:27:54 PM
LY is requesting approval to operate rescue flights to North America

https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001359357

Another interesting fact mentioned in the article is that Israel is no longer allowing UA/DL to operate outgoing passenger flights
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Post by: tavster on February 02, 2021, 03:29:42 PM
Another interesting fact mentioned in the article is that Israel is no longer allowing UA/DL to operate outgoing passenger flights


https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001359203

Looks like the government became stricter, and no foreign carieer will be authorized to carry pax this week.

So far only Israir is operating to FRA, with capacity expected to increase to 2x daily.
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Post by: Abebee on February 02, 2021, 03:30:46 PM
Another interesting fact mentioned in the article is that Israel is no longer allowing UA/DL to operate outgoing passenger flights
Have a relative that was supposed to fly last night with DL fight, got pushed off to tonight due to the snow in NY. This morning they canceled the flight.
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Post by: ExGingi on February 02, 2021, 03:44:30 PM
How does one get onto those one-off flights.

I have a client that was in an accident in NYC and needs to be flown back to TLV, the insurance company can't find commercial flights to put him on in business class. Looking for leads that I can forward to the insurance company.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 02, 2021, 03:46:25 PM
How does one get onto those one-off flights.

I have a client that was in an accident in NYC and needs to be flown back to TLV, the insurance company can't find commercial flights to put him on in business class. Looking for leads that I can forward to the insurance company.
Contact Israair in this link.

YMMV if pax will be allowed to board NYC-FRA prior.

https://lp.vp4.me/cara

Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on February 02, 2021, 03:53:27 PM
Contact Israair in this link.

YMMV if pax will be allowed to board NYC-FRA prior.

https://lp.vp4.me/cara

Do those flights have business class (even if angle flat) seats? That's medically necessary.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 02, 2021, 03:57:26 PM
Do those flights have business class (even if angle flat) seats? That's medically necessary.
It appears not. The seatmap sells exit rows for $40. Rows 1-2 are blocked up for staff and etc (SD?).
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Post by: ExGingi on February 02, 2021, 04:00:50 PM
It appears not. The seatmap sells exit rows for $40. Rows 1-2 are blocked up for staff and etc (SD?).

Exit row economy seat isn't good enough for a person with a back injury. He needs to lie. Is there any way to get an exception and fly as a passenger on the UA, DL or LY cargo flights in their business section? If yes, who does one contact?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 02, 2021, 04:02:04 PM
Exit row economy seat isn't good enough for a person with a back injury. He needs to lie. Is there any way to get an exception and fly as a passenger on the UA, DL or LY cargo flights in their business section? If yes, who does one contact?
UA is unlikely to offer that because it would require them to have a crew. If anybody can make it happen, it's https://amudim.org/israeltravel/
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on February 02, 2021, 04:16:24 PM
How does one get onto those one-off flights.

I have a client that was in an accident in NYC and needs to be flown back to TLV, the insurance company can't find commercial flights to put him on in business class. Looking for leads that I can forward to the insurance company.
It's likely that if the airport closure is maintained next week Israel will authorize pax on rescue flights from the US.

In the interim the only alternative I can see is to catch one of the private charters. Laufer markets them
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Post by: tavster on February 03, 2021, 03:01:07 AM
Not looking good

Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: yochai on February 03, 2021, 07:49:16 AM
Not looking good

@Dan, did you have any inside information?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: Dan on February 03, 2021, 08:42:25 AM
@Dan, did you have any inside information?
Nope, but my original post on the closure asked if it would open before March.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: yochai on February 03, 2021, 09:39:48 AM
Nope, but my original post on the closure asked if it would open before March.
That’s what I mean. When you originally posted that I thought you were crazy. At the time, most of Israeli media was saying a week or 2.
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Post by: Dan on February 03, 2021, 10:12:51 AM
That’s what I mean. When you originally posted that I thought you were crazy.
Yes, the commenters on DDMS and DDFB made that clear  ;D
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Post by: ExGingi on February 03, 2021, 11:54:37 AM
https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/r12w0Nul00

Israel reported to be in talks with Greece, Cyprus and Seychelles (and possibly others) to recognize the "green passport" and allow travel without quarantine or testing.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on February 03, 2021, 11:58:50 AM
https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/r12w0Nul00

Israel reported to be in talks with Greece, Cyprus and Seychelles (and possibly others) to recognize the "green passport" and allow travel without quarantine or testing.
Seychelles already lets in anyone who has been fully vacinated..
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Post by: aisrael on February 03, 2021, 12:18:01 PM
are there any updates on when the airport may reopen?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on February 03, 2021, 12:18:27 PM
Seychelles already lets in anyone who has been fully vacinated..

What do they accept as proof? Do they allow anyone else in?
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Post by: aisrael on February 03, 2021, 12:22:05 PM
is there any hope of getting green card for having corona already or only if vaccintaed
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Post by: tavster on February 03, 2021, 12:27:42 PM
What do they accept as proof? Do they allow anyone else in?
Their new policy is to accept anyone from any country as long as they can prove they have been vacinated. IMHO it's a big mistake due to the photoshop vaccination centers.

https://advisory.seychelles.travel/
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Post by: ExGingi on February 03, 2021, 12:34:02 PM
Their new policy is to accept anyone from any country as long as they can prove they have been vacinated. IMHO it's a big mistake due to the photoshop vaccination centers.

https://advisory.seychelles.travel/

In my personal opinion there's a HUGE opportunity here for good blockchain technology to be implemented on this. The biggest challenge would be to get governments and world organizations to agree on a single avenue for this, but I think it's the only way to go.
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Post by: AsherO on February 03, 2021, 12:36:01 PM
In my personal opinion there's a HUGE opportunity here for good blockchain technology to be implemented on this. The biggest challenge would be to get governments and world organizations to agree on a single avenue for this, but I think it's the only way to go.

Who needs blockchain? I imagine there are already shared/public databases/platforms for stuff like this. E.g. for standard passports.
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 03, 2021, 01:56:46 PM
Who needs blockchain? I imagine there are already shared/public databases/platforms for stuff like this. E.g. for standard passports.
Every data sharing element is negotiated by complex treaties, it wouldn't be easy at all to extend it to covid data, though it's another example of human failure in fighting the virus.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: AsherO on February 03, 2021, 02:00:49 PM
Every data sharing element is negotiated by complex treaties, it wouldn't be easy at all to extend it to covid data, though it's another example of human failure in fighting the virus.

Agree 100%, though none of that has to do with pros/cons of blockchain in this context.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 03, 2021, 02:03:32 PM
Agree 100%, though none of that has to do with pros/cons of blockchain in this context.
Yeah, Blockchain is just another technological means. A centralized database or hourly blasts would work the same way.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 03, 2021, 02:09:10 PM
Government appears to have agreed in principal to a US repatriation/rescuee flight every other day

https://www.bhol.co.il/news/1181337?utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=robot
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on February 03, 2021, 02:11:02 PM
Government appears to have agreed in principal to a US repatriation/rescuee flight every other day

https://www.bhol.co.il/news/1181337?utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=robot
LY already requested specific landing slots. We'll know tonight, or latest by tomorrow
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 03, 2021, 02:13:40 PM
LY already requested specific landing slots. We'll know tonight, or latest by tomorrow
UA is already flying empty planes...
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Post by: tavster on February 03, 2021, 02:14:14 PM
UA is already flying empty planes...
Lol true..
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: aisrael on February 03, 2021, 02:17:51 PM
any updates on flights to the us?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on February 03, 2021, 02:21:39 PM
Every data sharing element is negotiated by complex treaties, it wouldn't be easy at all to extend it to covid data, though it's another example of human failure in fighting the virus.

Yeah, Blockchain is just another technological means. A centralized database or hourly blasts would work the same way.

I just had a conversation about this with one of the people behind Ethereum.

Here are some snippets from his comments:

Quote
...working on a project that will enable this type of thing

[after some back and forth about details where I mentioned photoshop labs, and suggested that each local jurisdiction just decide what they want to accept, he wrote to me]

essentially its just attestations from authorities
its a simple blockchain thing
... I'm building a generalized attestation system where anyone can attest to anything it would be great for something like this it would be up to the authorities to check that the attestation is from an authorized entity...
...only valid ones will matter
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: UKinNYS on February 03, 2021, 02:39:48 PM
Just heard that all the people with regular Ishurim on the Israir flight from FRA were sent back!
Only allowing in those with the 'special' Ishurim - nasty
https://chaimvchessed.com/update-emergency-flights-to-from-israel
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on February 03, 2021, 02:46:15 PM
In my personal opinion there's a HUGE opportunity here for good blockchain technology to be implemented on this. The biggest challenge would be to get governments and world organizations to agree on a single avenue for this, but I think it's the only way to go.
On Israeli MoH vaccination certificates there is a QR code, which when scanned delivers some kind of long encrypted key. My guess is that the plan is to provide authorities with a dedicated app to check that the qr code corresponds to the person.

If that's the case then it's easy to give access to airlines agents etc, imho
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: Danlover111 on February 03, 2021, 02:47:29 PM
Not looking good

Would you mind spelling out what it says here?
My filter blocks out Twitter...
Tia
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 03, 2021, 03:03:54 PM
Would you mind spelling out what it says here?
My filter blocks out Twitter...
Tia
Unnamed transportation ministry official claims the airport May stay closed until March
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: Danlover111 on February 03, 2021, 03:19:54 PM
Unnamed transportation ministry official claims the airport May stay closed until March
Thanks.
That's not funny, I have my sisters wedding in 2 weeks...
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Post by: aisrael on February 03, 2021, 03:30:01 PM
Thanks.
That's not funny, I have my sisters wedding in 2 weeks...
will they have flights at least to the us?
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Post by: Aryeh95 on February 03, 2021, 03:32:48 PM
Thanks.
That's not funny, I have my sisters wedding in 2 weeks...
My sister's weddding is next week in Israel and my mother went there early but my father and I probably won't be able to go.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on February 03, 2021, 03:47:07 PM
My sister's weddding is next week in Israel and my mother went there early but my father and I probably won't be able to go.
If you guys are Israeli you may have a chance through Germany
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: Aryeh95 on February 03, 2021, 03:51:34 PM
If you guys are Israeli you may have a chance through Germany
We are but wedding is on Monday so not enough time for hotel quarantine
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 03, 2021, 04:32:14 PM
If there weren’t so many quarantine dodgers the airport would still be open for the rest of us 🤦‍♂️
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Post by: JlmBoi on February 03, 2021, 06:10:44 PM
If there weren’t so many quarantine dodgers the airport would still be open for the rest of us
Hope your being sarcastic
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Post by: UKinNYS on February 03, 2021, 06:44:05 PM
Arutz Sheva News Brief | 1:24 AM
Knesset approves closure of Ben Gurion Airport and border crossings
The Knesset on Wednesday night approved the second and third readings of a bill to close Ben Gurion Airport and the border crossings. The restrictions will be in effect for two weeks.

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Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 03, 2021, 09:43:26 PM
Arutz Sheva News Brief | 1:24 AM
Knesset approves closure of Ben Gurion Airport and border crossings
The Knesset on Wednesday night approved the second and third readings of a bill to close Ben Gurion Airport and the border crossings. The restrictions will be in effect for two weeks.

It passed the first vote, which sends it to a committee before 2d and 3rd.

It authorizes the government to impose restrictions for up to 2 weeks, it doesn't extend the current restrictions which are still set to expire on Sunday Feb 7

https://main.knesset.gov.il/News/PressReleases/Pages/press03.02.21.aspx
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Post by: iambarry on February 04, 2021, 03:44:05 AM
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/netanyahu-postpones-uae-bahrain-visit-due-to-coronavirus-657775
Quote
Netanyahu canceled his planned trip to the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain for next week, citing the halting of all passenger flights...
Reading between the lines, TLV's not opening February 7th.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on February 04, 2021, 06:07:16 AM
https://www.israelhayom.co.il/interactive/amp/article/847179

Simple photoshop skills insufficient, need also a simple QR code.
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Post by: ExGingi on February 04, 2021, 07:09:32 AM
https://www.israelhayom.co.il/article/847015
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Post by: tavster on February 04, 2021, 07:33:01 AM
https://www.israelhayom.co.il/interactive/amp/article/847179

Simple photoshop skills insufficient, need also a simple QR code.
What's the point of buying a fake certificate? It doesnt give any special right atm, and even when the airport reopens the immigration agents have access to the vaccination database. Plus vaccination is open to everyone..

https://www.israelhayom.co.il/article/847015
+1
Their workaround of simply removing the flying license from airlines is a joke

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Post by: ExGingi on February 04, 2021, 08:10:24 AM
+1
Their workaround of simply removing the flying license from airlines is a joke

And closing the land borders....
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Post by: Aryeh95 on February 04, 2021, 09:49:58 AM
My dad got on the Israir flight from Frankfurt. I guess we'll see if they let him in.
I think I will attend my sister's wedding via Zoom.
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Post by: AsherO on February 04, 2021, 10:53:57 AM
My dad got on the Israir flight from Frankfurt. I guess we'll see if they let him in.
I think I will attend my sister's wedding via Zoom.

Did he try to get a negative PCR?
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Post by: tavster on February 04, 2021, 10:57:43 AM
Did he try to get a negative PCR?
They wouldn't have let him on the flight if he didn't have a PCR
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: Aryeh95 on February 04, 2021, 11:11:55 AM
Did he try to get a negative PCR?
He got a test on Tuesday and got the results yesterday.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 04, 2021, 11:47:27 AM
They wouldn't have let him on the flight if he didn't have a PCR
I think @Aryeh95 means he got booked on Israair, not physically onboard yet t
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: Aryeh95 on February 04, 2021, 11:48:38 AM
I think @Aryeh95 means he got booked on Israair, not physically onboard yet t
No he's on the flight. Landing at 8pm israel time.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 04, 2021, 11:52:46 AM
https://www.israelhayom.co.il/article/847015
This lawsuit is claiming they have to pass legislation. A law was passed rendering it moot.
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Post by: ExGingi on February 04, 2021, 12:00:30 PM
Did he try to get a negative PCR?

What does that question mean?
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Post by: ExGingi on February 04, 2021, 12:01:20 PM
This lawsuit is claiming they have to pass legislation. A law was passed rendering it moot.

Except if they can argue that the law contradicts חוק יסוד...
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Post by: AsherO on February 04, 2021, 12:16:13 PM
What does that question mean?

FWIU Aryeh95’s dad didn’t get get special permission to enter Israel so I’m asking if he has the realistic next best thing, not suggesting it’ll get him in.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 04, 2021, 12:16:59 PM
FWIU Aryeh95’s dad didn’t get get special permission to enter Israel so I’m asking if he has the realistic next best thing, not suggesting it’ll get him in.
If he's an Israeli citizen he will for sure be let it, question is about hotel quarantine.
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Post by: tavster on February 04, 2021, 12:18:35 PM
If he's an Israeli citizen he will for sure be let it, question is about hotel quarantine.
Btw if he's over 70 then he can quarantine at home. I read that today
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Post by: tavster on February 04, 2021, 12:20:48 PM
Cautiously optimistic about this.. although sounds very strange in current environment


(https://i.postimg.cc/66ZbDvGB/Screenshot-20210204-191935.png) (https://postimages.org/)
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 04, 2021, 12:21:22 PM
Btw if he's over 70 then he can quarantine at home. I read that today
Hopefully when he tells them he doesn't want to go a hotel so that he can attend a wedding they'll have the good sense to put him a hotel, but it's Israel so you never know.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: Aryeh95 on February 04, 2021, 12:37:21 PM
Btw if he's over 70 then he can quarantine at home. I read that today
He's under 60
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Post by: tavster on February 04, 2021, 12:45:23 PM
He's under 60
Ok. Keep us posted :-)
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Post by: tavster on February 04, 2021, 02:33:43 PM
Ok so it's confirmed that vaccinated ppl (and showing up as so in MoH database) don't need to go into quarantine...

Now just need BGI to reopen  :-X :-X

Joint Prime Minister's Office-Health Ministry-Transportation Ministry Statement

(Communicated by the Prime Minister's Office, the Health Ministry and the Transportation Ministry)

The Cabinet, today (Thursday, 4 February 2021), approved extending the requirement for persons returning to Israel from any country to quarantine in a designated state-sponsored hotel for an additional 14 days until Sunday, 21 February 2021. The quarantine period is 14 days without a coronavirus test or 10 days for those who undergo two coronavirus tests, both being negative, pursuant to the existing procedure. Requests for exceptions will be evaluated individually by the Health Ministry committee at Ben-Gurion International Airport, with those holding vaccination certificates being exempt from the quarantine requirement, pursuant to Health Ministry procedures.

 
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Post by: Danlover111 on February 04, 2021, 02:39:28 PM
Ok so it's confirmed that vaccinated ppl (and showing up as so in MoH database) don't need to go into quarantine...

Now just need BGI to reopen  :-X :-X

Joint Prime Minister's Office-Health Ministry-Transportation Ministry Statement

(Communicated by the Prime Minister's Office, the Health Ministry and the Transportation Ministry)

The Cabinet, today (Thursday, 4 February 2021), approved extending the requirement for persons returning to Israel from any country to quarantine in a designated state-sponsored hotel for an additional 14 days until Sunday, 21 February 2021. The quarantine period is 14 days without a coronavirus test or 10 days for those who undergo two coronavirus tests, both being negative, pursuant to the existing procedure. Requests for exceptions will be evaluated individually by the Health Ministry committee at Ben-Gurion International Airport, with those holding vaccination certificates being exempt from the quarantine requirement, pursuant to Health Ministry procedures.
Assuming an Israeli positive and negative will not help?
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Post by: tavster on February 04, 2021, 02:41:19 PM
Assuming an Israeli positive and negative will not help?
Showing Israeli certificate of recovery will help IMHO
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Post by: Danlover111 on February 04, 2021, 02:43:57 PM
Showing Israeli certificate of recovery will help IMHO
How do we get that?
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Post by: tavster on February 04, 2021, 02:57:15 PM
How do we get that?
Id guess through kupat holim.
There is this function on the Clalit app. I'm assuming it's the same for the others


(https://i.postimg.cc/cL56w78f/Screenshot-20210204-215530.png) (https://postimages.org/)
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Post by: Danlover111 on February 04, 2021, 03:00:44 PM
I'm with meuhedet, I walked into a branch all they did was print a  paper that I had it...
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Post by: aisrael on February 04, 2021, 03:35:47 PM
are there any updates with the airport?
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Post by: tavster on February 04, 2021, 03:37:46 PM
are there any updates with the airport?
When there will be, it will be posted here within minutes  ;)
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Post by: Aryeh95 on February 04, 2021, 03:46:36 PM
My father is in. He's being sent to quarantine at a hotel for 10 days.
Wedding is still on Monday. Not sure how he'll get there.
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Post by: tavster on February 04, 2021, 03:48:02 PM
My father is in. He's being sent to quarantine at a hotel for 10 days.
Wedding is still on Monday. Not sure how he'll get there.
@PlatinumGuy any recommendations about how he can get to the wedding?  ;)
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Post by: AsherO on February 04, 2021, 03:52:13 PM
My father is in. He's being sent to quarantine at a hotel for 10 days.
Wedding is still on Monday. Not sure how he'll get there.

How locked down are these quarantine hotels? No way to sneak out?
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Post by: ExGingi on February 04, 2021, 03:55:05 PM
My father is in. He's being sent to quarantine at a hotel for 10 days.
Wedding is still on Monday. Not sure how he'll get there.

Did he previously have COVID-19?
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Post by: Aryeh95 on February 04, 2021, 04:02:33 PM
Did he previously have COVID-19?
He never got covid. No antibodies or vaccine.
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Post by: aisrael on February 04, 2021, 04:04:35 PM
My father is in. He's being sent to quarantine at a hotel for 10 days.
Wedding is still on Monday. Not sure how he'll get there.
are u stuck in ur room or just in the hotel?
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Post by: Aryeh95 on February 04, 2021, 04:05:11 PM
are u stuck in ur room or just in the hotel?
I didn't go, and my father didn't get to the hotel yet.
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Post by: Ergel on February 04, 2021, 04:37:08 PM
are u stuck in ur room or just in the hotel?
My understanding is you are not allowed to leave your room
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 04, 2021, 04:56:34 PM
@PlatinumGuy any recommendations about how he can get to the wedding?  ;)
R Gershon Edelstein told a friend of mine to push off a wedding if it can't be held 'Besimcha'.

It may need to be pushed for more than a week for halachic reasons though.

I'm sure the hotel authorities will accommodate some form of appropriately distanced visitation if the wedding does go ahead.
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Post by: m65 on February 04, 2021, 05:07:16 PM
My father is in. He's being sent to quarantine at a hotel for 10 days.
Wedding is still on Monday. Not sure how he'll get there.
dont know the specifics, but if he is determined it shouldnt be that hard.
i know more than one person who snuck in and out of these "hotels"
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Post by: m65 on February 04, 2021, 05:07:38 PM
Showing Israeli certificate of recovery will help IMHO
source?
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Post by: JlmBoi on February 04, 2021, 08:48:49 PM
Close family of mine just got in on the Israir flight, no idea if they had the special permit, seems unlikely to me. One is vaccinated one not, will report on hotel situation tomorrow.
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Post by: ExGingi on February 05, 2021, 12:53:54 AM
How does one get onto those one-off flights.

I have a client that was in an accident in NYC and needs to be flown back to TLV, the insurance company can't find commercial flights to put him on in business class. Looking for leads that I can forward to the insurance company.

Would there be any way to get him transported by ambulance from AMM across the border? If yes how does one pull this off?
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Post by: tavster on February 05, 2021, 02:20:22 AM
source?
I didn't think I would need a source when I write IMHO

The MoH has been pretty consistent in treating vaccinated and recovered people the same way when it comes to the tav yarok. Not it's not official AFAIK, hence IMHO

(https://i.postimg.cc/Zq4f5TBX/Screenshot-20210126-174657.png) (https://postimg.cc/YvDNXBxx)
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Post by: JlmBoi on February 05, 2021, 06:24:53 AM
Close family of mine just got in on the Israir flight, no idea if they had the special permit, seems unlikely to me. One is vaccinated one not, will report on hotel situation tomorrow.
Apparently it's not a problem to get on these flights without a permit. Quarantine hotels (unless one has recovered or has been vaccinated) seem unavoidable.
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Post by: tavster on February 05, 2021, 07:08:29 AM
Heading towards (at least) 2 additional weeks of airport closures but the government will likely approve repatriation flights to/from the US and Dubai

https://www.israelhayom.co.il/article/847865
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Post by: iambarry on February 05, 2021, 09:47:35 AM
Heading towards (at least) 2 additional weeks of airport closures but the government will likely approve repatriation flights to/from the US and Dubai

https://www.israelhayom.co.il/article/847865
Globes' English version of (more or less) the same story: https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-cabinet-extends-closure-of-ben-gurion-airport-1001359724#utm_source=RSS
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: flyingBlue on February 05, 2021, 03:07:59 PM
DDMS already reported extension of airport closure for another 2 weeks.
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Post by: UKinNYS on February 06, 2021, 07:24:37 PM
Israelis allowed in only if they left before Jan 25
https://www.timesofisrael.com/cabinet-extends-near-total-shutdown-of-ben-gurion-airport-for-two-more-weeks/
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Post by: ExGingi on February 07, 2021, 07:15:16 AM
https://m.ynet.co.il/articles/58835070
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: m65 on February 07, 2021, 09:09:27 AM
my tues nite united flight tlv-ewr is forsure cancelled?
they are still selling seats...
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Post by: tavster on February 07, 2021, 10:16:40 AM
my tues nite united flight tlv-ewr is forsure cancelled?
they are still selling seats...
Will get cancelled imho
But likely to be replaced by repatriation flights, which haven't been announced yet

(https://i.postimg.cc/XvZ0Zzkt/Screenshot-20210207-171331.png) (https://postimg.cc/CZV2XJt4)
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: JACKBLUE on February 08, 2021, 08:30:18 AM
As of now does UA 91 fly US passengers out of TLV?
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Post by: yochai on February 08, 2021, 08:44:11 AM
As of now does UA 91 fly US passengers out of TLV?
No
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Post by: JACKBLUE on February 08, 2021, 08:47:41 AM
No
When did they stop?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: yochai on February 08, 2021, 08:50:31 AM
When did they stop?
A day after they started. Israel cracked down on the loophole.
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Post by: JACKBLUE on February 08, 2021, 08:51:04 AM
A day after they started. Israel cracked down on the loophole.
was it posted on DDMS?
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Post by: JACKBLUE on February 08, 2021, 08:54:39 AM
So how does a US citizen get from TLV to US?
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Post by: Ergel on February 08, 2021, 08:54:58 AM
So how does a US citizen get from TLV to US?
Thru Frankfurt
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Post by: JACKBLUE on February 08, 2021, 08:55:26 AM
Thru Frankfurt
only option?
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Post by: tavster on February 08, 2021, 08:58:19 AM
only option?
'rescue' flights to the US have been discussed, but not approved yet
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Post by: yochai on February 08, 2021, 09:06:06 AM
was it posted on DDMS?
No
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Post by: nafnaf12 on February 08, 2021, 09:30:17 AM
A bunch of LY flights approved to fly tlv-ny
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Post by: tavster on February 08, 2021, 09:31:37 AM
A bunch of LY flights approved to fly tlv-ny
You're quick. I was about to post
https://chaimvchessed.com/el-al-to-operate-emergency-flights-to-from-usa/

https://chaimvchessed.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/%D7%99%D7%97%D7%A6-%D7%98%D7%99%D7%A1%D7%AA-%D7%97%D7%99%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%A5-%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%95-%D7%99%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%A7-003.pdf
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Post by: Dan on February 08, 2021, 10:07:51 AM
A bunch of LY flights approved to fly tlv-ny
You're quick. I was about to post
https://chaimvchessed.com/el-al-to-operate-emergency-flights-to-from-usa/

https://chaimvchessed.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/%D7%99%D7%97%D7%A6-%D7%98%D7%99%D7%A1%D7%AA-%D7%97%D7%99%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%A5-%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%95-%D7%99%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%A7-003.pdf
All OOS?
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Post by: yochai on February 08, 2021, 10:08:46 AM
I’m totally confused. Do US citizens need special permission to leave? How is one supposed to get a ishur before tomorrow’s flight?!
https://www.elal.com/en/Deals/Hot-Deals/Pages/Special-Authorized-Flights.aspx
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Post by: Dan on February 08, 2021, 10:10:07 AM
I’m totally confused. Do US citizens need special permission to leave? How is one supposed to get a ishur before tomorrow’s flight?!
Didn't need previously. Typo on LY site?
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Post by: tavster on February 08, 2021, 10:13:00 AM
Didn't need previously. Typo on LY site?
IINM it was always required but no one cared if you had received it as long as you had foreign passport. I could be wrong but this is what I remember reading.

But in any case approvals are granted / rejected quite fast so no downside in trying
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Post by: tavster on February 08, 2021, 10:21:15 AM
I wonder if UA will also receive approval to carry pax, or if Israel will be only allow LY. Would be mean not to, but i can picture it happening
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Post by: JACKBLUE on February 08, 2021, 10:24:30 AM
How is UA selling seats on UA 91 tomorrow night?
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Post by: yochai on February 08, 2021, 10:29:53 AM
How is UA selling seats on UA 91 tomorrow night?
Will likely get cancelled
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Post by: tavster on February 08, 2021, 10:32:20 AM
How is UA selling seats on UA 91 tomorrow night?

Will get cancelled imho
But likely to be replaced by repatriation flights, which haven't been announced yet

(https://i.postimg.cc/XvZ0Zzkt/Screenshot-20210207-171331.png) (https://postimg.cc/CZV2XJt4)
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Post by: Dan on February 08, 2021, 10:35:42 AM
UA must be holding onto hope for an exception.
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Post by: YED on February 08, 2021, 11:25:42 AM
Well it seems like non of these rescue flights are actually available to TA's at all.
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Post by: tavster on February 08, 2021, 11:31:54 AM
In my personal opinion there's a HUGE opportunity here for good blockchain technology to be implemented on this. The biggest challenge would be to get governments and world organizations to agree on a single avenue for this, but I think it's the only way to go.

@ExGingi looks like Greece is promoting something similar

(https://i.postimg.cc/4x18Rjnp/Screenshot-20210208-182933.png) (https://postimg.cc/XrpKwHfv)
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Post by: AsherO on February 08, 2021, 11:54:07 AM
@ExGingi looks like Greece is promoting something similar

(https://i.postimg.cc/4x18Rjnp/Screenshot-20210208-182933.png) (https://postimg.cc/XrpKwHfv)


Greek PM is in Israel? Couldn't he meet with Netanyahu via Zoom? Not good enough for photo ops?
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Post by: tavster on February 08, 2021, 11:56:09 AM
Greek PM is in Israel? Couldn't he meet with Netanyahu via Zoom? Not good enough for photo ops?
Zoom is so old fashioned  ;)
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 08, 2021, 12:47:48 PM
Didn't need previously. Typo on LY site?
Misinformed LY site
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Post by: yochai on February 08, 2021, 01:56:24 PM
Misinformed LY site
Question is if they’ll actually require an ishur to book?
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Post by: tavster on February 08, 2021, 02:05:02 PM
Question is if they’ll actually require an ishur to book?
To book for sure not. They don't check anything until you get to the airport
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: m65 on February 08, 2021, 03:48:49 PM
How is UA selling seats on UA 91 tomorrow night?
Will likely get cancelled
UA 91: Your upcoming United flight to Newark has been canceled because of new travel restrictions issued by the Israeli government. For travel assistance, please visit United.com or the United app. We apologize for this travel disruption and we appreciate your patience.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: flyingace on February 08, 2021, 06:25:59 PM
Does anyone know why United is not letting Americans onto flights they hold tickets for and are traveling empty to EWR. Instead passengers have to pay extra for an ELAL emergency flight that's packed.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: AsherO on February 08, 2021, 06:28:06 PM
Does anyone know why United is not letting Americans onto flights they hold tickets for and are traveling empty to EWR. Instead passengers have to pay extra for an ELAL emergency flight that's packed.

Bureaucracy? UA Probably didn’t negotiate rights to carry passengers to Israel.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dan on February 08, 2021, 06:30:10 PM
Does anyone know why United is not letting Americans onto flights they hold tickets for and are traveling empty to EWR. Instead passengers have to pay extra for an ELAL emergency flight that's packed.
Israel isn't giving them the rights.
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Post by: flyingace on February 08, 2021, 06:31:15 PM
Bureaucracy? UA Probably didn’t negotiate rights to carry passengers to Israel.
These are Americans who are there who already have United tickets home!
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: flyingace on February 08, 2021, 06:32:56 PM
Israel isn't giving them the rights.
Crazy!!!
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Post by: AsherO on February 08, 2021, 06:36:48 PM
These are Americans who are there who already have United tickets home!

The three relationships are unrelated.
1. Americans in Israel - Israel is letting them leave
2. United and Israel - Airport is closed but Israel is giving United special permission to fly to carry cargo (and passengers from the US?)
3. United and ticketed passengers - United is operating the flight but they’re not allowed to carry those ticketed passengers, sorry.
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Post by: flyingBlue on February 08, 2021, 11:00:03 PM
I wonder what is UA2840 that shows en route from EWR to TLV??
(https://i.postimg.cc/VLwRtcyx/Screenshot-2021-02-08-225907.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: AsherO on February 08, 2021, 11:02:50 PM
I wonder what is UA2840 that shows en route from EWR to TLV??
(https://i.postimg.cc/VLwRtcyx/Screenshot-2021-02-08-225907.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)


Cargo or repositioning flight?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: flyingBlue on February 08, 2021, 11:08:16 PM
Cargo or repositioning flight?

United.com says "Capacity: 44 United Polaris® business class, 21 United Premium Plus, 253 United Economy®"
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 08, 2021, 11:09:38 PM
Cargo or repositioning flight?
Cargo

United.com says "Capacity: 44 United Polaris® business class, 21 United Premium Plus, 253 United Economy®"
They're using an empty passenger plane for cargo.
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Post by: JlmBoi on February 09, 2021, 05:26:46 AM
Anyone know what time the DHL Leipzig flight departs tlv?
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Post by: tavster on February 09, 2021, 06:06:53 AM

(https://i.postimg.cc/vm7zRzck/Screenshot-20210209-130613.png) (https://postimg.cc/McTRV10m)
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Post by: Danlover111 on February 09, 2021, 06:26:23 AM
(https://i.postimg.cc/vm7zRzck/Screenshot-20210209-130613.png) (https://postimg.cc/McTRV10m)
Crazy.
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Post by: tavster on February 09, 2021, 06:29:23 AM
Crazy.
Agreed. And also terribly unfair to United, which has been flying non stop for the past years, at times when LY was fully closed
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Post by: Danlover111 on February 09, 2021, 06:30:47 AM
Agreed. And also terribly unfair to United, which has been flying non stop for the past years, at times when LY was fully closed
Well said.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: mijo on February 09, 2021, 06:33:32 AM
Anyone know what time the DHL Leipzig flight departs tlv?
Generally between 8:15-8:45pm
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: AsherO on February 09, 2021, 06:37:57 AM
Anyone know what time the DHL Leipzig flight departs tlv?

Hoping to fly as cargo? :P
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: JlmBoi on February 09, 2021, 06:44:18 AM
Generally between 8:15-8:45pm
TY. Had a hard time getting it up on flight radar. The inbound I found easily.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: JlmBoi on February 09, 2021, 06:45:14 AM
Hoping to fly as cargo?
Working out if my package's delivery date is still realistic. S21 trade in....
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: AsherO on February 09, 2021, 06:46:58 AM
Working out if my package's delivery date is still realistic. S21 trade in....

Call and ask for an extension on the trade in date.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: JlmBoi on February 09, 2021, 06:48:49 AM
Call and ask for an extension on the trade in date.
Il def do that once it's clear I need it. The trade in value discrepancy between the Samsung US deal and the local Pelephone deal is unbelievable.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: m65 on February 09, 2021, 12:35:36 PM
Hoping to fly as cargo? :P
or in an "aron".
lie flat seating, no mask requirements
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: m65 on February 09, 2021, 12:36:10 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/vm7zRzck/Screenshot-20210209-130613.png) (https://postimg.cc/McTRV10m)
how long were the seats up for sale for?
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Post by: AsherO on February 09, 2021, 12:38:05 PM
or in an "aron".
lie flat seating, no mask requirements

Ch”v. But only a one-way ticket available that way.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: m65 on February 09, 2021, 12:43:37 PM
The three relationships are unrelated.

 (and passengers from the US?)
are u sure about that?
an israeli with a return ticket can fly on united?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: Dan on February 09, 2021, 12:44:03 PM
how long were the seats up for sale for?
All OOS?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: AsherO on February 09, 2021, 12:45:39 PM
are u sure about that?
an israeli with a return ticket can fly on united?

The question-mark means I’m not sure, and at this point I’m certain it doesn’t mean that. Edited my post accordingly.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on February 09, 2021, 12:56:50 PM

What' does OOS stand for?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: Dan on February 09, 2021, 12:57:19 PM
What' does OOS stand for?
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=10531.0
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Yosel on February 09, 2021, 01:00:14 PM
come "bein hazmanim" elal will be packed, and united empty?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: flyingBlue on February 09, 2021, 02:34:19 PM
I added a Wiki. Feel free to moderate.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on February 09, 2021, 02:41:56 PM
I added a Wiki.
Thanks!

Adding Dubai, for sake of comprehensiveness

Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: flyingBlue on February 09, 2021, 02:50:58 PM
Adding Dubai, for sake of comprehensiveness

Please add on Wiki.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: Danlover111 on February 09, 2021, 03:19:28 PM
Please add on Wiki.
Hotel jail upon arrival?!
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on February 09, 2021, 03:31:47 PM
Hotel jail upon arrival?!
Unless you're vaccinated / recovered (in MoH database)
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: Danlover111 on February 09, 2021, 03:47:21 PM
Unless you're vaccinated / recovered (in MoH database)
How long is this valid for - recovered (in MoH database) ?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on February 09, 2021, 03:52:19 PM
How long is this valid for - recovered (in MoH database) ?
I don't believe there is a time limit, at least at this stage, IINM
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: UKinNYS on February 10, 2021, 11:22:39 AM
Total Insanity
https://chaimvchessed.com/extreme-difficulties-entering-israel-wrestlers-to-be-permitted/
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: flyingBlue on February 10, 2021, 03:31:27 PM
ELAL is adding Flight LY003 which will operate on February 13 at 11:00 PM from Tel Aviv to JFK.

Sources tell us that several more flights will be added next week, as well.

TO PURCHASE A TICKET CONTACT A TRAVEL AGENT OR TRY EL AL’S

WHATSAPP AT: +972 3-977-1111. Enter code 15684.

Book fast, as earlier flights were sold out within hours.

(Credit: https://chaimvchessed.com/)
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: Dan on February 10, 2021, 03:37:44 PM
ELAL is adding Flight LY003 which will operate on February 13 at 11:00 PM from Tel Aviv to JFK.

Sources tell us that several more flights will be added next week, as well.

TO PURCHASE A TICKET CONTACT A TRAVEL AGENT OR TRY EL AL’S

WHATSAPP AT: +972 3-977-1111. Enter code 15684.

Book fast, as earlier flights were sold out within hours.

(Credit: https://chaimvchessed.com/)
Bookable online?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: Aryeh95 on February 10, 2021, 03:39:39 PM
ELAL is adding Flight LY003 which will operate on February 13 at 11:00 PM from Tel Aviv to JFK.

Sources tell us that several more flights will be added next week, as well.

TO PURCHASE A TICKET CONTACT A TRAVEL AGENT OR TRY EL AL’S

WHATSAPP AT: +972 3-977-1111. Enter code 15684.

Book fast, as earlier flights were sold out within hours.

(Credit: https://chaimvchessed.com/)
Whatsapp says it's sold out.
*אל על שירות לקוחות*
Dear Customer,
Seats on the rescue flights to/from New York is sold out, therefor it is not possible to make new bookings for these flights at this stage.
We recommend following our flight schedule on www.elal.com.
We apologise for the inconvenience and will be happy to assist in the future.
EL AL.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: Ergel on February 10, 2021, 03:40:48 PM
Total Insanity
https://chaimvchessed.com/extreme-difficulties-entering-israel-wrestlers-to-be-permitted/
A real בושה
Will they be required to quarantine?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: m65 on February 10, 2021, 03:59:14 PM
A real בושה
Will they be required to quarantine?
why would they?
chilonim and leftists cant spread the disease.
its only chareidim at levayos and in cheider that spread disease.
balfour protests and goyim from chutz laaretz dont do any harm.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: Danlover111 on February 10, 2021, 04:59:30 PM
Total Insanity
https://chaimvchessed.com/extreme-difficulties-entering-israel-wrestlers-to-be-permitted/
Bibi playing house.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on February 10, 2021, 05:02:26 PM
Whatsapp says it's sold out.
*אל על שירות לקוחות*
Dear Customer,
Seats on the rescue flights to/from New York is sold out, therefor it is not possible to make new bookings for these flights at this stage.
We recommend following our flight schedule on www.elal.com.
We apologise for the inconvenience and will be happy to assist in the future.
EL AL.

This entire fiasco is a total disgrace and mismanagement. Rather than limiting capacity like Australia has done for many months, they run sporadic flights where one simply needs to be lucky enough to book before all seats are grabbed. Smallest glitch and the seat is lost (I've seen that happen).
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: JlmBoi on February 10, 2021, 05:47:09 PM
I hear people have been having a certain degree of success escaping from the quarantine hotels.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: m65 on February 10, 2021, 06:00:59 PM
I hear people have been having a certain degree of success escaping from the quarantine hotels.
true.
and sneaking in as well. (to spend Shabbos with spouse etc.)
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: yeshivabucher on February 10, 2021, 06:11:50 PM
whats the deal with united they seem to be cancelling  UA 91 and then flying a similar flight every day. are people able to get on those flights?
(https://i.postimg.cc/wv6vc16X/Capture.png) (https://postimages.org/)
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: cubicles on February 10, 2021, 06:21:50 PM
cargo only
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: AsherO on February 10, 2021, 07:49:01 PM
whats the deal with united they seem to be cancelling  UA 91 and then flying a similar flight every day. are people able to get on those flights?
(https://i.postimg.cc/wv6vc16X/Capture.png) (https://postimages.org/)


They’re flying cargo while waiting/hoping for permission to carry passengers.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 10, 2021, 08:43:10 PM
Rather than limiting capacity like Australia has done for many months, they run sporadic flights where one simply needs to be lucky enough to book before all seats are grabbed.
What exactly is the difference? In effect they both limit capacity. Australia allows the airlines to charge as much as they want, so the limited capacity goes to the highest bidders and there are hundreds of thousands of people waiting to go back. Israel limits the airline prices so it goes to whoever is lucky enough to snatch it as opposed to whoever has $$$
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on February 10, 2021, 08:54:33 PM
What exactly is the difference? In effect they both limit capacity. Australia allows the airlines to charge as much as they want, so the limited capacity goes to the highest bidders and there are hundreds of thousands of people waiting to go back. Israel limits the airline prices so it goes to whoever is lucky enough to snatch it as opposed to whoever has $$$

There are several differences. Australia has flights scheduled way in advance, not just last moment. They also seem to have a more orderly process to gain exit permits and entering doesn’t require special permits for people who live there or Australian citizens. I also don’t believe that they’re restricting based on destinations (though airlines are making their own calcifications of which routes to operate).
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 11, 2021, 03:45:19 AM
People are saying the flights are all being booked by the foreign ministry for embassy staff going to Israel for vaccines
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on February 11, 2021, 03:47:28 AM
People are saying the flights are all being booked by the foreign ministry for embassy staff going to Israel for vaccines
Based on the video below... I'm not so sure ;-)

Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 11, 2021, 05:12:54 AM

There is anti-Bibbi melodrama, but the story is probably true. UA has plenty of lobbyists and they aren’t happy about flying empty planes. In theory the aviation agreement gives US airlines rights to fly to Israel in exchange for Israeli airlines rights to fly to the US
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: Happyguy on February 11, 2021, 06:06:50 AM
Posted February 11 , 2021 10:24PM IST

Chaim V’Chessed has been incessantly lobbying for additional emergency flights between Israel and the United States. We have just learned that El Al will operate more emergency flights to and from the USA.

We can now share that Flight LY003 will operate on February 13 at 11:00 PM from Tel Aviv to JFK.

Sources tell us that several more flights will be added next week, as well. We will release those details as they become available.

TICKETS FOR THIS FLIGHT SHOULD BE AVAILABLE BY THURSDAY AFTERNOON. TO PURCHASE A TICKET CONTACT A TRAVEL AGENT OR TRY EL AL’S WHATSAPP AT: +972 3-977-1111. Enter code 15684.

Book fast, as earlier flights were sold out within hours.

Follow www.chaimvchessed.com for further details.

The post Additional Emergency Flights appeared first on Chaim V'Chessed.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: YED on February 11, 2021, 08:33:29 AM
here you go!
https://passportnews.co.il/%d7%90%d7%9c-%d7%a2%d7%9c-%d7%aa%d7%a4%d7%a2%d7%99%d7%9c-%d7%98%d7%99%d7%a1%d7%95%d7%aa-%d7%97%d7%99%d7%9c%d7%95%d7%a5-%d7%a0%d7%95%d7%a1%d7%a4%d7%95%d7%aa-%d7%9e%d7%aa%d7%90-%d7%9c%d7%a0%d7%99/ (https://passportnews.co.il/%d7%90%d7%9c-%d7%a2%d7%9c-%d7%aa%d7%a4%d7%a2%d7%99%d7%9c-%d7%98%d7%99%d7%a1%d7%95%d7%aa-%d7%97%d7%99%d7%9c%d7%95%d7%a5-%d7%a0%d7%95%d7%a1%d7%a4%d7%95%d7%aa-%d7%9e%d7%aa%d7%90-%d7%9c%d7%a0%d7%99/)
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: yochai on February 11, 2021, 08:33:51 AM
Posted February 11 , 2021 10:24PM IST

Chaim V’Chessed has been incessantly lobbying for additional emergency flights between Israel and the United States. We have just learned that El Al will operate more emergency flights to and from the USA.

We can now share that Flight LY003 will operate on February 13 at 11:00 PM from Tel Aviv to JFK.

Sources tell us that several more flights will be added next week, as well. We will release those details as they become available.

TICKETS FOR THIS FLIGHT SHOULD BE AVAILABLE BY THURSDAY AFTERNOON. TO PURCHASE A TICKET CONTACT A TRAVEL AGENT OR TRY EL AL’S WHATSAPP AT: +972 3-977-1111. Enter code 15684.

Book fast, as earlier flights were sold out within hours.

Follow www.chaimvchessed.com for further details.

The post Additional Emergency Flights appeared first on Chaim V'Chessed.
Is there any point in posting unbookable flights, besides for showing us how well connected they are?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: Ergel on February 11, 2021, 08:39:16 AM
Is there any point in posting unbookable flights, besides for showing us how well connected they are?
Amazing the koach of an עין רע
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: AsherO on February 11, 2021, 08:44:19 AM

There is anti-Bibbi melodrama, but the story is probably true. UA has plenty of lobbyists and they aren’t happy about flying empty planes. In theory the aviation agreement gives US airlines rights to fly to Israel in exchange for Israeli airlines rights to fly to the US

Is the politics really worth it? All we’re talking about is a few flights anyway, it can’t be that much $$ more LY that it’s worth the fallout/optics.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: yochai on February 11, 2021, 08:58:04 AM
Amazing the koach of an עין רע
I apologize for the harsh words. My mother needs to urgently get to the US, and I’ve been getting calls and messages from many people I know that “Chaim V’chesed says they arranged emergency flights” but they’re in fact unbookable, definitely not by travel agents as they claim.
I wrongly let out my frustration on an amazing organization that does so much to help Klal Yisroel.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: Ergel on February 11, 2021, 09:00:22 AM
I apologize for the harsh words. My mother needs to urgently get to the US, and I’ve been getting calls and messages from many people I know that “Chaim V’chesed says they arranged emergency flights” but they’re in fact unbookable, definitely not by travel agents as they claim.
I wrongly let out my frustration on an amazing organization that does so much to help Klal Yisroel.
Fair enough. I hope your mother's situation gets resolved quickly. Happy to delete the post if you want me to
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on February 11, 2021, 03:11:45 PM
Frustrating to see this, while others struggle to fly home to their families

Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 11, 2021, 03:20:11 PM
Frustrating to see this, while others struggle to fly home to their families

Wonder if this is
People are saying the flights are all being booked by the foreign ministry for embassy staff going to Israel for vaccines
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on February 11, 2021, 03:22:34 PM
Wonder if this is
Very possible
I personally know a UK based diplomat who flew in for the vaccines, but that was last week.
But very possible other diplomats from EU countries flew to London to catch the plane. Just speculating
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: yelped on February 11, 2021, 03:43:17 PM
I have a TA who is still able to get people on the El Al rescue flights next week. PM me for contact info.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: yeshivabucher on February 11, 2021, 03:52:39 PM
I have a TA who is still able to get people on the El Al rescue flights next week. PM me for contact info.
i have some seats avalible as well pm ME
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 11, 2021, 08:02:40 PM
Very possible
I personally know a UK based diplomat who flew in for the vaccines, but that was last week.
But very possible other diplomats from EU countries flew to London to catch the plane. Just speculating
London still has one of the most open borders in the World. It's a logical place to gather.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on February 12, 2021, 04:41:13 AM
https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/coronavirus-israels-airport-policy-turns-the-country-into-a-prison-658704
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: JlmBoi on February 12, 2021, 05:53:14 AM
https://m.ynet.co.il/articles/58857100?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: JlmBoi on February 13, 2021, 02:14:21 PM
https://www.israelhayom.co.il/interactive/amp/article/850491

https://simpleflying.com/dot-tel-aviv-complaint/amp/

This may open the door for resuming pax ex TLV with delta and united. That will enable many Americans to leave for Pesach, if how and when they will get back in is totally up in the air.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on February 13, 2021, 03:12:12 PM
https://www.israelhayom.co.il/interactive/amp/article/850491

https://simpleflying.com/dot-tel-aviv-complaint/amp/

This may open the door for resuming pax ex TLV with delta and united. That will enable many Americans to leave for Pesach, if how and when they will get back in is totally up in the air.
I see Israel more likely to shut all traffic for the time being rather than allowing foreign airlines to carry pax IMHO
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: JlmBoi on February 13, 2021, 03:14:08 PM
I see Israel more likely to shut all traffic for the time being rather than allowing foreign airlines to carry pax IMHO
Ludicrous but possible. Every time I think they have reached the limit of crazyness they prove me wrong.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: UKinNYS on February 13, 2021, 08:14:27 PM
relative received special Ishur! booked with TA on LY Feb 17 and on standby for Feb 15
Anyone know price/ availability of Premium econ for these flights?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: yochai on February 13, 2021, 08:28:07 PM
I apologize for the harsh words. My mother needs to urgently get to the US, and I’ve been getting calls and messages from many people I know that “Chaim V’chesed says they arranged emergency flights” but they’re in fact unbookable, definitely not by travel agents as they claim.
I wrongly let out my frustration on an amazing organization that does so much to help Klal Yisroel.
My mother finally got a seat for today’s LY flight to JFK, but was denied exit by the committee. She holds dual citizenship. Maybe it’s because of my עין הרע...
I’m making a bris for twin boys iy”h on Tuesday, and can really use her help. The committee claimed
that a daughter in law giving birth isn’t enough of a reason >:(
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: shapsam on February 13, 2021, 08:31:36 PM
My mother finally got a seat for today’s LY flight to JFK, but was denied exit by the committee. She holds dual citizenship. Maybe it’s because of my עין הרע...
I’m making a bris for twin boys iy”h on Tuesday, and can really use her help. The committee claimed
that a daughter in law giving birth isn’t enough of a reason >:(
She doesn't need permission if she comes to the airport and shows her foreign passport.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: yochai on February 13, 2021, 08:41:09 PM
She doesn't need permission if she comes to the airport and shows her foreign passport.
I thought so too, but apparently that didn’t work. Unless she just took the wrong route.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on February 13, 2021, 09:21:23 PM
The entire committee should be committed to solitary confinement, until restrictions are lifted.

They have no sense of urgency, no sense of humanitarian needs.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: shapsam on February 13, 2021, 09:32:52 PM
I thought so too, but apparently that didn’t work. Unless she just took the wrong route.
No need to ask for permission, א שאלה איז טרייף
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 13, 2021, 09:46:46 PM
The entire committee should be committed to solitary confinement, until restrictions are lifted.

They have no sense of urgency, no sense of humanitarian needs.
So you’re OK with condemning Jews and cruel and unusual punishment when it’s people who you think are hurting you?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on February 13, 2021, 10:19:42 PM
So you’re OK with condemning Jews and cruel and unusual punishment when it’s people who you think are hurting you?

יסורים ממרקים
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 13, 2021, 10:49:30 PM
יסורים ממרקים
You can say that about people who are suffering because they're having a hard time getting to Israel too.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on February 13, 2021, 11:23:40 PM
You can say that about people who are suffering because they're having a hard time getting to Israel too.

There you go again. What makes you think that people needing to travel in or out of Israel have sinned against others or caused others undue harm or discomfort.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 14, 2021, 12:37:53 AM
There you go again. What makes you think that people needing to travel in or out of Israel have sinned against others or caused others undue harm or discomfort.
Why are יסורים ממרקים only for people who sinned? It happens even to innocent babies.

Are you saying you wish יסורים ממרקים unto those who sin, but not those who are innocent?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: YED on February 14, 2021, 04:09:15 AM
relative received special Ishur! booked with TA on LY Feb 17 and on standby for Feb 15
Anyone know price/ availability of Premium econ for these flights?
Price should be $1300 for the one way Premium. Availability is down to 0, but you might be able to get a seat..
You might want to try to pm me.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on February 14, 2021, 06:10:04 AM

(https://i.postimg.cc/7Z0Yzcx1/Screenshot-20210214-130924.png) (https://postimg.cc/k2Mm3TRD)
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: aisrael on February 14, 2021, 06:16:54 AM
is there any talk that the airport lockdown will end on the 20th on at least outgoing flights?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on February 14, 2021, 06:26:03 AM
is there any talk that the airport lockdown will end on the 20th on at least outgoing flights?
Not AFAIK
Conversely, the MoH is pushing to extend the airport lockdown
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: m65 on February 14, 2021, 07:05:19 AM
Not AFAIK
Conversely, the MoH is pushing to extend the airport lockdown
the mazal is, that MOH is not in charge of the election polls
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on February 14, 2021, 08:44:48 AM

(https://i.postimg.cc/66j9kZWh/182364-F0-06-C5-46-AE-8-EA5-90-FED831886-E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/w3N8J7st)
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yfr bachur on February 14, 2021, 09:00:15 AM
(https://i.postimg.cc/66j9kZWh/182364-F0-06-C5-46-AE-8-EA5-90-FED831886-E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/w3N8J7st)

If anyone says they weren't warned....

I would add that NOW is the time to plan where you're going to get Matza from, and plan other pesach orders. Many of these have deadlines close to or before RC Nissan.
Unless you dont mind eating whatever they can find in the local stores
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: UKinNYS on February 14, 2021, 10:24:46 AM
Price should be $1300 for the one way Premium. Availability is down to 0, but you might be able to get a seat..
You might want to try to pm me.
Thanks made alt plans UA tonight EWR to FRA catching the Israir flight tom.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on February 14, 2021, 10:40:22 AM
Looks like they are going to be switching to the Australian model. Allowing 2,000 people per day.

https://rotter.net/forum/scoops1/683597.shtml
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on February 14, 2021, 10:42:49 AM
Why are יסורים ממרקים only for people who sinned? It happens even to innocent babies.

Are you saying you wish יסורים ממרקים unto those who sin, but not those who are innocent?

I do not wish יסורים ממרקים to anyone.

I guess a more appropriate scenario for that committee would be מלקין אותו עד שיאמר רוצה אני.

FTR, I applied for an ishur last Sunday on URGENT humanitarian grounds. Ishur was granted on Wednesday. That is unacceptable turnaround time for such cases.

My uncle's levaya is being held up now waiting for permission for family members to escort him.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: th0306 on February 14, 2021, 10:45:38 AM
Do Israeli citizens currently need a permit to fly back to Israel on one of these flights?

How about foreigners to return home from Israel?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on February 14, 2021, 10:58:35 AM
I think it's time to rename this thread: '(not) reopening to anyone
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: aisrael on February 14, 2021, 12:16:28 PM
Looks like they are going to be switching to the Australian model. Allowing 2,000 people per day.

https://rotter.net/forum/scoops1/683597.shtml
was about united flying from tlv-nyc
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on February 14, 2021, 12:56:01 PM
was about united flying from tlv-nyc
United and Delta are expected to be allowed to fly with pax, pending a cabinet vote tomorrow
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on February 14, 2021, 12:56:16 PM
was about united flying from tlv-nyc

Too early to tell. My guess is that 2,000 per day (which may be adjusted) is total for all points of origin. I would imagine that the US will get at least half of that allocation. But that is total speculation on my behalf. At 1,000 pax per day I think we are likely to see at least 1 UA and 1 DL flight.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: aisrael on February 14, 2021, 01:02:31 PM
United and Delta are expected to be allowed to fly with pax, pending a cabinet vote tomorrow
which means as long as i am us citizen i can just get on the flight?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 14, 2021, 01:05:56 PM
which means as long as i am us citizen i can just get on the flight?
Not at all. Even Israelis still need a special permit to get into Israel
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 14, 2021, 01:06:43 PM
My uncle's levaya is being held up now waiting for permission for family members to escort him.
Did you speak to Amudim?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: aisrael on February 14, 2021, 01:07:13 PM
Not at all. Even Israelis still need a special permit to get into Israel
talking about leaving israel not comiing in
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on February 14, 2021, 01:10:20 PM
Looks like they are going to be switching to the Australian model. Allowing 2,000 people per day.

https://rotter.net/forum/scoops1/683597.shtml

Here it is from MSM:


What happened to FRA in this news report (which preceded DXB)?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 14, 2021, 01:11:00 PM
talking about leaving israel not comiing in
As long as you live abroad you can leave without a permit. Presumably anybody with a US passport will appear to the personnel as 'living abroad'.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on February 14, 2021, 01:21:47 PM
He's suggesting that as long as one receive approval from the exemption committee, one can get on any plane including the ones booked for diplomats and sport delegations..

How does one find the list of upcoming flights.. and most importantly how does someone book seats on those?


Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: yochai on February 14, 2021, 01:33:55 PM
As long as you live abroad you can leave without a permit. Presumably anybody with a US passport will appear to the personnel as 'living abroad'.
Not true to dual citizens. I know a few people who were denied from last night’s flight.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 14, 2021, 01:34:56 PM
Not true to dual citizens. I know a few people who were denied from last night’s flight.
Good data point, but I assume other than the foreign passport, they couldn't prove that they live abroad.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: shapsam on February 14, 2021, 02:22:17 PM
Not true to dual citizens. I know a few people who were denied from last night’s flight.
Who denied them, check in agents or passport control? Also, did they initially show their Israeli passport or they showed their foreign passport but they checked to see if they are Israelis?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: yochai on February 14, 2021, 02:24:44 PM
Who denied them, check in agents or passport control? Also, did they initially show their Israeli passport or they showed their foreign passport but they checked to see if they are Israelis?
Any of the Covid tests would have your Israeli ID# on them, so that’s a giveaway.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 14, 2021, 02:25:48 PM
Any of the Covid tests would have your Israeli ID# on them, so that’s a giveaway.
Not necessarily, you can get one at some labs without telling them you're Israeli. Good to know.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: shmooz on February 14, 2021, 02:32:08 PM
Before the current lockdown, there were work permit exceptions. Any such thing now?
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 14, 2021, 02:34:29 PM
Before the current lockdown, there were work permit exceptions. Any such thing now?
No, it is extremely difficult for a non-Israeli to get any permit and even the most extenuating humanitarian cases are taking a lot of pushing.
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Post by: shmooz on February 14, 2021, 02:43:38 PM
Thanks, any thoughts if that could change next week if airport does open?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on February 14, 2021, 03:21:53 PM
I think it's time to rename this thread: '(not) reopening to anyone
Finance Minister Israel Katz tells Channel 12 of the expected opening of much of the economy next week: “This will be the last opening. There will be no more lockdowns… It’s going to open for good.

He says: “We will be the first country in the world to return to controlled activity,” apparently referring to countries that have been closed down by the pandemic.

Katz says he backs a gradual opening in two main stages, one next week and another in early March.

Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 14, 2021, 03:22:43 PM
Thanks, any thoughts if that could change next week if airport does open?
All speculation obviously, but if I had to guess I'd say it will get easier to get approval gradually, but the framework won't change until around March 1, at which point I think it may become significantly more open including work permits and etc, and I wouldn't be surprised if all foreigners are allowed in before the 3/20 elections (perhaps with a choose-your-own-hotel quarantine model).

Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on February 14, 2021, 03:30:16 PM
This is how perverted the situation is:

Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on February 14, 2021, 04:04:17 PM
FWIW, info on applying for exception and offer for help:

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Post by: AsherO on February 14, 2021, 04:29:32 PM
FWIW, info on applying for exception and offer for help:


#RIPinbox
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on February 15, 2021, 12:10:27 AM
What exactly is the difference? In effect they both limit capacity. Australia allows the airlines to charge as much as they want, so the limited capacity goes to the highest bidders and there are hundreds of thousands of people waiting to go back. Israel limits the airline prices so it goes to whoever is lucky enough to snatch it as opposed to whoever has $$$

Do you still think there is no difference?

https://m.jpost.com/health-science/covid-19-airport-closure-israels-govt-losing-humanity-opinion-657887

The government is a problem, the committee definitely requires מלקין אותו עד שיאמר רוצה אני. And if they simply can't handle it, I am sure they could scream loud enough to make a change.
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 15, 2021, 12:28:04 AM
Do you still think there is no difference?
I'm fairly well informed, having dealt extensively with both systems. Do you want me to make a list of differences?

My point was you were pretending Australia doesn't have stranded passengers, when in reality even though their system was more predictable, they had many more stranded citizens, and their system was less fair to people who couldn't afford to pay very high prices for flights that in effect went to the highest bidder and AU$3000 for quarantine.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Jack out of the box on February 15, 2021, 02:44:34 AM
Finance Minister Israel Katz tells Channel 12 of the expected opening of much of the economy next week: “This will be the last opening. There will be no more lockdowns… It’s going to open for good.

He says: “We will be the first country in the world to return to controlled activity,” apparently referring to countries that have been closed down by the pandemic.
After New Zealand I guess that is.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: JlmBoi on February 15, 2021, 02:59:17 AM
After New Zealand I guess that is.
NZ and Australia are still open to further lockdowns. They have not imunized yet.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on February 15, 2021, 07:56:28 AM

מלקין אותן עד שיאמרו רוצים אנחנו!
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Post by: yeshivabucher on February 15, 2021, 08:01:15 AM

מלקין אותן עד שיאמרו רוצים אנחנו!
lol
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Post by: ExGingi on February 15, 2021, 08:01:51 AM
https://www.themarker.com/amp/news/aviation/.premium-1.9537669
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Post by: ExGingi on February 15, 2021, 08:03:01 AM
lol

Not sure why you find this a laughing matter, when there are thousands of people in despair and anguish due to the inaction and incompetence of this bureaucracy.
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Post by: ExGingi on February 15, 2021, 10:11:25 AM
My point was you were pretending Australia doesn't have stranded passengers, when in reality even though their system was more predictable, they had many more stranded citizens, and their system was less fair to people who couldn't afford to pay very high prices for flights that in effect went to the highest bidder and AU$3000 for quarantine.

I never said Australia's system is perfect, but at least it is more predictable and less chaotic, and people don't have to wait for flights to be announced and a stampede to get onto them.

Case in point: I know someone who was granted authorization to travel out of Australia on humanitarian grounds. That person was able to fly to TLV via DOH or DXB and ATH or LCA (I don't remember the exact route at the moment) and was able to fly back via EWR and LAX (chose to take that route due to flight schedule of UA being more reliable and consistent).

At this point one cannot make a RT booking to TLV with any level of certainty or predictability.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: eliraps on February 15, 2021, 10:37:55 AM
A relative living in Israel would like to come to the US for Pesach.

She has both Israeli and UK citizenship.

Any reason to think she would have any issues leaving Israel, entering USA?

What about quarantining on her return to Israel? (She is fully vaccinated if that makes a difference)

Also she would need to either get a visa to come to USA as an Israeli or renew her UK passport. Which of those would be easier accomplished in Israel these days?

(if this is the wrong board for this please direct me to the correct place to ask this)
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on February 15, 2021, 10:43:17 AM
A relative living in Israel would like to come to the US for Pesach.

She has both Israeli and UK citizenship.

Any reason to think she would have any issues leaving Israel, entering USA?

YES. If she would try to leave today, she would probably be denied. What will happen in the future is anyone's guess.


What about quarantining on her return to Israel? (She is fully vaccinated if that makes a difference)
Here again, if the travel were today, then quarantine wouldn't be the question, she would simply be denied boarding onto a flight to TLV without special permission which isn't likely to be granted. Supposedly vaccination allows one to avoid quarantine, but then again, we're talking about Israel, and we're talking about COVID-19 - anything is subject to change.

Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Ergel on February 15, 2021, 11:30:19 AM
YES. If she would try to leave today, she would probably be denied. What will happen in the future is anyone's guess.

Here again, if the travel were today, then quarantine wouldn't be the question, she would simply be denied boarding onto a flight to TLV without special permission which isn't likely to be granted. Supposedly vaccination allows one to avoid quarantine, but then again, we're talking about Israel, and we're talking about COVID-19 - anything is subject to change.


This. We have tickets to come in for Pesach, when family asks me if we think we can come. I go to http://www.ask8ball.net/ and send a screenshot of whatever the 8 ball answers
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Post by: ExGingi on February 15, 2021, 11:39:22 AM
This. We have tickets to come in for Pesach, when family asks me if we think we can come. I go to http://www.ask8ball.net/ and send a screenshot of whatever the 8 ball answers

Why do you go through all that trouble? Why not just direct the people asking to that website?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on February 15, 2021, 12:01:26 PM
I'm trying to be creative and understand what would be the trigger for the government to reopen BGI..

When we reach herd immunity? We have a long way to go.
When they find a way to enforce quarantine? (Yeah right)
When 100% of the 60+ are vaccinated??
When they decide that the vaccine is efficient against the main variants?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: m65 on February 15, 2021, 12:17:35 PM
I'm trying to be creative and understand what would be the trigger for the government to reopen BGI..

When we reach herd immunity? We have a long way to go.
When they find a way to enforce quarantine? (Yeah right)
When 100% of the 60+ are vaccinated??
When they decide that the vaccine is efficient against the main variants?
trigger will be the exact moment that whoever decides is convinced that he will receive more votes for opening it than for keeping it closed
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Post by: tavster on February 15, 2021, 12:33:30 PM
trigger will be the exact moment that whoever decides is convinced that he will receive more votes for opening it than for keeping it closed
I'm pretty sure we're already passed that - IMHO
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on February 15, 2021, 12:42:07 PM
Another side effect of the closure. I was contacted by two individuals within the last 10 days who ran out of their supply of medications due to being stuck in the US. Whatever travel insurance they purchased would obviously not cover regular medications for pre-existing conditions.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: bp27 on February 15, 2021, 12:45:23 PM
All the talk seems to have been how many Israelis will be allowed back on "rescue" flights. What about those looking to leave? I understand that they will let you leave if you have a foreign passport, but are flights being added?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 15, 2021, 12:53:19 PM
Not sure why you find this a laughing matter, when there are thousands of people in despair and anguish due to the inaction and incompetence of this bureaucracy.
What's funny is how eager you are to criticize Jews who are incompetent bureaucrats and even call for punishing them physically, but when somebody criticizes Jews who aren't careful with Covid precautions or promote vaccine hesitancy, you pipe up with אהבת ישראל and focusing on the good.

Of course the reason is that you think holding up people from traveling is a worse evil than endangering lives with Covid, and the love/hate stuff is just a cover for your positions on that matter.

When they find a way to enforce quarantine? (Yeah right)


I don't think it follows any rhyme or reason, but it's foreseeable that with 2000 people arriving every day into hotels, the government will come up with a better way of enforcing home quarantine. Bibbi is already pushing very hard for criminal penalties.

Another milestone will be when the pressure on hospitals drops and the risk of more Covid illness isn't as great. That's rapidly approaching.

Hard to see the airport closed by Pesach.
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Post by: ExGingi on February 15, 2021, 01:12:18 PM
What's funny is how eager you are to criticize Jews who are incompetent bureaucrats and even call for punishing them physically, but when somebody criticizes Jews who aren't careful with Covid precautions or promote vaccine hesitancy, you pipe up with אהבת ישראל and focusing on the good.

Of course the reason is that you think holding up people from traveling is a worse evil than endangering lives with Covid, and the love/hate stuff is just a cover for your positions on that matter.

Those are your interpretations. And I'm glad to know that you also read minds to the extent that you know what I think.
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 15, 2021, 01:14:52 PM
Those are your interpretations. And I'm glad to know that you also read minds to the extent that you know what I think.
Everything I said is demonstrable from your posts on the topics (no, I'm not going to start looking for them).

You're entitled to your opinion, I just think you should respect those with different opinions on what is bad and what is worse.

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Post by: ExGingi on February 15, 2021, 01:19:04 PM
Everything I said is demonstrable from your posts on the topics (no, I'm not going to start looking for them).

You're entitled to your opinion, I just think you should respect those with different opinions on what is bad and what is worse.

Anything not explicitly spelled out, is an interpretation, whether it is of my opinion or anyone else's.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 15, 2021, 01:19:18 PM
All the talk seems to have been how many Israelis will be allowed back on "rescue" flights. What about those looking to leave? I understand that they will let you leave if you have a foreign passport, but are flights being added?
Yes, they set a daily cap of arriving passengers so there is a more objective framework, by next week there should be United & Delta flights alongside Elal.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: Mikes@Micro on February 15, 2021, 01:28:36 PM
AFAF: How can a Canadian citizen book a flight out of TLV for this week? Must return to Canada before the hotel rule takes effect... United is preferable as he can utilize the return of his round trip ticket but travel agent is saying its impossible. Can anything be done?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on February 15, 2021, 01:29:35 PM
AFAF: How can a Canadian citizen book a flight out of TLV for this week? Must return to Canada before the hotel rule takes effect... United is preferable as he can utilize the return of his round trip ticket but travel agent is saying its impossible. Can anything be done?
If he doesn't have Israeli citizenship and doesn't live in Israel there is no issue. Can call LY and or a TA.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: Mikes@Micro on February 15, 2021, 01:31:51 PM
If he doesn't have Israeli citizenship and doesn't live in Israel there is no issue. Can call LY and or a TA.
Thanks. I assume there is no chance of getting on United?
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 15, 2021, 01:32:54 PM
Thanks. I assume there is no chance of getting on United?
Pretty sure United isn't offering passenger flights at all this week.
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Post by: UKinNYS on February 15, 2021, 01:36:00 PM
Looks like next step is vaccine green passports, so far Greece and cyprus signed up, will US and others join?
https://www.jns.org/israel-cyprus-announce-green-passport-travel-agreement/
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on February 15, 2021, 04:30:27 PM
Haaretz: Israel's COVID flight ban turned its citizens into illegal immigrants

Meirav Arlosoroff

    (Haaretz) -- Plia Kettner is angry at the State of Israel, which has turned her into what she calls an illegal immigrant. Not in Israel, but in Sweden, where she had flown to meet her partner. They had been apart since the onset of the pandemic.

     Last month, Israel imposed a ban on international flights, which prohibits its citizens from returning home. As a result, Kettner’s visa has expired and she has been forced to ask Swedish authorities for humanitarian aid and official recognition of her unusual situation.

     Kettner had no choice but to violate Swedish law because Israel has left its own citizens to fend for themselves overseas. A government committee to grant exemptions from the flight ban wasn’t meeting at all at the beginning, and when it finally started to, it collapsed under the weight of applications. Finally, the government opened the skies a little and permitted rescue flights for Israelis stranded abroad – one daily from Frankfurt being flown by Israir and three a week by El Al Airlines from New York.

     The rescue flights aren’t really doing their job. First, in order to board one, an Israeli needs approval to return home from the exemptions committee, which is a tedious bureaucratic procedure. Second, would-be passengers have to buy a ticket, and demand far exceeds supply. Third, Israelis who are not in New York or Frankfurt have to get to one of those cities on their own, and arrange the flights in such a way that they can get a coronavirus test within 72 hours of boarding the plane to Israel.

     Those planning to fly back through Frankfurt have to claim their luggage from the connecting flight, which means going through passport control. The problem is that Germany right now isn’t letting Israeli passport holders cross its border due to COVID. The German authorities have a solution, but it means that your luggage only gets on the next flight the following day. In any case, those who can’t get to Frankfurt on a connecting flight the same day as the Israir flight can’t take a hotel room for the night – they have to sleep in the terminal lounge.

     The problems don’t end once the hapless Israeli citizen lands at Ben-Gurion International Airport. The hotels the government has requisitioned for coronavirus quarantine can only accommodate 600 new travelers a day (a total of 6,000). About half of those arriving at the airport are sent to the hotels (the rest are exempt due to age, sickness, pregnancy, an urgent event and, of course, those who have been vaccinated or have recovered from COVID). The result is that Ben-Gurion can accept only 1,000 to 1,200 arrivals daily.

     The fact is that any Israelis who innocently left the country before January 25, when there were no prohibitions on flying, now find themselves exiles – unable to return to their families, their visa expired and their hotel bills growing by the day.

     The excuse for closing the skies is, of course, preventing the spread of the new and more virulent variants of the coronavirus to Israel. But like every other policy imposed by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s government since the start of the pandemic, the flight ban was about acting first, thinking afterward.

     The flight ban is a dumb way to prevent the spread of COVID and comes at a needless cost to travelers. Because no one looked past the end of their nose when they made it, Israel became embroiled in a dispute with the United States, which said that using only Israeli airlines for rescue flights violated the two countries’ Open Skies agreement.

     Like all the other coronavirus restrictions, the flight ban will begin to loosen spontaneously. Side by side with the rescue flights, private flights are being given permission to land in Israel; for example, hundreds of judokas arrived in Israel from all over the world for a competition in Tel Aviv this week. They all had taken coronavirus tests, but only had to undergo a brief quarantine.

     Worse still, on February 20, next Sunday, the flight ban expires – and then what? Assuming that the coronavirus doesn’t take a spring vacation, nor do its variants, the government will be left with the grim reality that thousands of Israelis are stranded abroad with no orderly, practical way of returning home.

     There is a better way: implementing a clear policy that is consistently enforced. Require anyone coming from abroad to quarantine in a hotel for 10 days and take two tests. That will enable people who must travel to fly and come home when they are ready. Hotel quarantine is preferable to home quarantine, which is often violated and, even when it is not, poses the risk of contagion within the house.

     Rules like that have worked in other countries. Australia, for example, bars anyone from leaving the country except under exceptional circumstances. It has an exemptions committee that controls the number of people leaving and who gets permission, and requires returnees to quarantine at a hotel at their own expense. That last requirement by itself severely limits the number of people who apply to fly.

     Israel seems intent on reinventing the wheel rather than learning from the successes of others. The Health Ministry is threatening to extend the flight ban unless some way is found is enforce quarantine rules. The simplest solution, to require quarantining at hotels, is being rejected out of hand after the traumatic experience of hundreds of travelers returning from Dubai and vehemently protesting orders confining them to hotels.

     The ministry doesn’t believe it can force people into a hotel and doesn’t believe in fining those who protest. In the case of Dubai, there were those who paid 5,000-shekel ($1,540) penalties and went home. Instead, the National Security Council, the police and the Public Security Ministry are considering alternatives such as putting electronic bracelets on returnees (Taiwan is believed to be the only country doing such a thing), or requiring them to download an app that identifies where they are once every several hours. This is home quarantine enforced by electronics.

     It’s hard to see how any of these technological solutions can be put into a place in less than a week and, in any case, they don’t solve the problem of contagion within the home. In addition, it will be very difficult to administer this program if there aren’t limits on the number of people who can leave Israel in order to limit the number who return.

     No matter; aviation industry sources say Ben-Gurion will fully reopen in another two weeks without any controls. Why? Because hundreds of shohatim (ritual slaughterers) need to travel abroad to help ready enough meat for the Passover holiday and because it will help Netanyahu’s election campaign. If so, the prime minister’s pre-election favor to voters will cost Israel a lot later on.
     -
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Post by: Ploni3 on February 15, 2021, 04:41:08 PM
What an agenda! So many bones to pick...
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on February 15, 2021, 05:01:24 PM
Haaretz: Israel's COVID flight ban turned its citizens into illegal immigrants

Meirav Arlosoroff

    (Haaretz) -- Plia Kettner is angry at the State of Israel, which has turned her into what she calls an illegal immigrant. Not in Israel, but in Sweden, where she had flown to meet her partner. They had been apart since the onset of the pandemic.

     .....

     No matter; aviation industry sources say Ben-Gurion will fully reopen in another two weeks without any controls. Why? Because hundreds of shohatim (ritual slaughterers) need to travel abroad to help ready enough meat for the Passover holiday and because it will help Netanyahu’s election campaign. If so, the prime minister’s pre-election favor to voters will cost Israel a lot later on.
     -

Ha'aretz couldn't resist putting in that last paragraph.
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Post by: ExGingi on February 15, 2021, 06:36:02 PM
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I presume Australia doesn't have such issues. I would guess Canada would also not encounter these kinds of issues.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: AsherO on February 15, 2021, 06:37:09 PM
I presume Australia doesn't have such issues. I would guess Canada would also not encounter these kinds of issues.

People in Canada and Australia also know how to patiently wait on a line/queue...
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 15, 2021, 07:08:31 PM
I presume Australia doesn't have such issues. I would guess Canada would also not encounter these kinds of issues.
There was outrage over poor conditions in Canadian facilities, although under the new model hotels will have an incentive to provide better service.

People in Canada and Australia also know how to patiently wait on a line/queue...
If I said that, @Yehuda57 would be calling me names...
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: m65 on February 15, 2021, 07:15:46 PM

    Haaretz Plia Kettner is angry at the State of Israel
FTFY
this should be the title of about 98% of their articles for the past 50 years
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: aygart on February 15, 2021, 07:22:36 PM
If I said that, @Yehuda57 would be calling me names...
Why? He didn't say anything about it being a reason to hate Jews?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 15, 2021, 07:48:26 PM
Why? He didn't say anything about it being a reason to hate Jews?
You didn't understand @Yehuda57 position. He states that saying a bad trait exists in the Jewish community is by definition antisemitic and racist, regardless if it's true or not, and independent of the context.

You believe differently than him that anti-Semitism is misinterpreting or assuming a bad trait exists because of a preconception, but agree with me that stating something that is true, if it's true, isn't by definition bigotous.   

Surprised you didn't notice that.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: Yehuda57 on February 15, 2021, 07:55:00 PM
You didn't understand @Yehuda57 position. He states that saying a bad trait exists in the Jewish community is by definition antisemitic and racist, regardless if it's true or not, and independent of the context.

You believe differently than him that anti-Semitism is misinterpreting or assuming a bad trait exists because of a preconception, but agree with me that stating something that is true, if it's true, isn't by definition bigotous.   

Surprised you didn't notice that.

Thank you for tagging me. I wasn't following this thread and would have missed the entertainment.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: aygart on February 15, 2021, 08:36:33 PM
You didn't understand @Yehuda57 position. He states that saying a bad trait exists in the Jewish community is by definition antisemitic and racist, regardless if it's true or not, and independent of the context.

You believe differently than him that anti-Semitism is misinterpreting or assuming a bad trait exists because of a preconception, but agree with me that stating something that is true, if it's true, isn't by definition bigotous.   

Surprised you didn't notice that.
Well, now that @Yehuda57 is here, he can clarify whether or not I misunderstood him.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: Yehuda57 on February 15, 2021, 08:49:55 PM
Well, now that @Yehuda57 is here, he can clarify whether or not I misunderstood him.

The one who's asking honestly already knows the answer. For the one asking disingenuously, no answer will suffice.
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Post by: chinagel on February 15, 2021, 08:57:13 PM
The one who's asking honestly already knows the answer. For the one asking disingenuously, no answer will suffice.
What about the rest of us? Just gonna leave us hanging?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 15, 2021, 09:24:49 PM
What about the rest of us? Just gonna leave us hanging?
Look in the Lakewood Covid cases thread.

Well, now that @Yehuda57 is here, he can clarify whether or not I misunderstood him.
By the sound of it, you didn't actually read his full posts on the matter.

The one who's asking honestly already knows the answer. For the one asking disingenuously, no answer will suffice.
At least you're realizing how ridiculous your position was on the matter and are avoiding the question.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: AsherO on February 15, 2021, 10:29:39 PM
You didn't understand @Yehuda57 position. He states that saying a bad trait exists in the Jewish community is by definition antisemitic and racist, regardless if it's true or not, and independent of the context.

You believe differently than him that anti-Semitism is misinterpreting or assuming a bad trait exists because of a preconception, but agree with me that stating something that is true, if it's true, isn't by definition bigotous.   

Surprised you didn't notice that.

I said it about an Israeli trait. Not a Jewish trait. Yes, it’s a stereotype, and Jews might be hated for it, and it’s a slippery slope to hate on Israelis and say it isn’t anti-Semitic because it’s the Israelis you’re hating on not the Jews, but I stand by it. Do I hate any Israelis for it? No, not even when they cut me off. But I do hate the trait and will vehemently defend my identifying it as an Israeli trait that I hate. Call me a (self-hating) Israeli hater if you’d like, I won’t back down.

/rant :P
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 15, 2021, 10:32:07 PM
I said it about an Israeli trait. Not a Jewish trait. Yes, it’s a stereotype, and Jews might be hated for it, and it’s a slippery slope to hate on Israelis and say it isn’t anti-Semitic because it’s the Israelis you’re hating on not the Jews, but I stand by it. Do I hate any Israelis for it? No, not even when they cut me off. But I do hate the trait and will vehemently defend my identifying it as an Israeli trait that I hate. Call me a (self-hating) Israeli hater if you’d like, I won’t back down.

/rant :P
Of course there is nothing at all anti-semitic about neutrally pointing out something that you reasonably assume is true.

I heard once that Israelis aren't really more likely to be in any random place you travel to, you're just more likely to hear them...
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on February 15, 2021, 10:47:41 PM
People in Canada and Australia also know how to patiently wait on a line/queue...

There was outrage over poor conditions in Canadian facilities, although under the new model hotels will have an incentive to provide better service.
If I said that, @Yehuda57 would be calling me names...

I would argue that it's not (only) the Canadian facilities being paid and incentivised to provide better service, it is also the people who will be paying full price that will have more respect for the facilities where they stay.

I would hate having to quarantine for two weeks in a paid hotel. But if I knew that was the ONLY option without exception, I might find a way to plan around it. It's when there are inconsistencies, uneven handling, etc, that breed these kinds of problems.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: aygart on February 15, 2021, 10:49:10 PM

By the sound of it, you didn't actually read his full posts on the matter.

You are making it as if I haven't read his opinion about this a couple of hundred times already in the past year alone ::)

It is much more likely that you are interpreting based on your biases.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: AsherO on February 15, 2021, 10:52:21 PM
I would hate having to quarantine for two weeks in a paid hotel. But if I knew that was the ONLY option without exception, I might find a way to plan around it. It's when there are inconsistencies, uneven handling, etc, that breed these kinds of problems.

It can’t happen in Israel without protektsia and kombinot :D
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on February 15, 2021, 10:56:49 PM
It can’t happen in Israel without protektsia and kombinot :D
The two most important words in the Israeli dialect.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 15, 2021, 11:22:31 PM
You are making it as if I haven't read his opinion about this a couple of hundred times already in the past year alone ::)

It is much more likely that you are interpreting based on your biases.
I guess that explains why you didn't actually read the very explicit option we're arguing about.

It's when there are inconsistencies, uneven handling, etc, that breed these kinds of problems.

The flip side of it is that true emergencies get better treatment in Israel. No emergency in the world would've gotten somebody into Australia on a commercial flight with short notice for many months, and even today no emergency would make it affordable for an average citizen. Shortcuts are sometimes necessary.

It's difficult to strike a perfect balance. As incompetent as Israeli bureaucrats are, they generally aren't out to hurt people.

To keep the popcorn going, which country do you think is struggling with the most test results from the 'photoshop' lab?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: aygart on February 15, 2021, 11:31:21 PM

To keep the popcorn going, which country do you think is struggling with the most test results from the 'photoshop' lab?
you have stats on that or are you making assumptions?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 15, 2021, 11:33:52 PM
you have stats on that or are you making assumptions?
I posed a question. Are you making an assumption that I claim to know the answer?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on February 15, 2021, 11:36:14 PM

The flip side of it is that true emergencies get better treatment in Israel. No emergency in the world would've gotten somebody into Australia on a commercial flight with short notice for many months, and even today no emergency would make it affordable for an average citizen. Shortcuts are sometimes necessary.
IDK. As I previously mentioned, I know someone who got out of and into Australia when they needed to.


It's difficult to strike a perfect balance. As incompetent as Israeli bureaucrats are, they generally aren't out to hurt people.

I definitely don't think they are out to hurt people. Just have no sense of service.


To keep the popcorn going, which country do you think is struggling with the most test results from the 'photoshop' lab?
I have no clue. Nor do I think I would care. If I wouldn't have a specific reason to go to Israel, or know many people that need to go, I probably wouldn't care about that either.

Now let me pose a question: should a person who came to the US and ran out of his or her prescription medication be granted an exception to return to Israel? Can you imagine the hardship to get a US prescription and have it filled (no travel insurance would cover it).
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: aygart on February 16, 2021, 09:07:24 AM
I posed a question. Are you making an assumption that I claim to know the answer?
If you don't then it is a disingenuous leading question. Yes I made an assumption that you were asking the question in good faith, but it seems that I was very wrong about it and I should never assume you say things in good faith.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on February 16, 2021, 01:15:17 PM
I was just informed that a family member who contracted COVID-19 while visiting the US was sent to 10 day quarantine despite presenting a Positive and Negative PCR test!

Is this the current SOP? Are there any exceptions?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: aisrael on February 16, 2021, 01:48:37 PM
are there any updates in regards to leaving israel to ny starting the 20th? will delta and united be flying?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: yeshivabucher on February 16, 2021, 02:01:09 PM
are there any updates in regards to leaving israel to ny starting the 20th? will delta and united be flying?
they are selling the flight while flight on the 19th are canceled
(https://i.postimg.cc/5tpXwvVc/Capture.png) (https://postimg.cc/jWwqTD2v)
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: aisrael on February 16, 2021, 02:09:06 PM
they are selling the flight while flight on the 19th are canceled
(https://i.postimg.cc/5tpXwvVc/Capture.png) (https://postimg.cc/jWwqTD2v)
so 20th should be fine?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: m65 on February 16, 2021, 02:10:07 PM
you have stats on that or are you making assumptions?
i can photoshop for u whichever stats u'd like
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: Ergel on February 16, 2021, 02:22:35 PM
I was just informed that a family member who contracted COVID-19 while visiting the US was sent to 10 day quarantine despite presenting a Positive and Negative PCR test!

Is this the current SOP? Are there any exceptions?
I thought they aren't excepting foreign tests, so that would be expected
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: yeshivabucher on February 16, 2021, 02:24:52 PM
so 20th should be fine?
i make no promises the story is that the airport as of now is not closed past the 20th so they can land in israel on the 21st
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on February 16, 2021, 02:25:51 PM
I thought they aren't excepting foreign tests, so that would be expected

Apparently, as of now they are accepting foreign tests along with an Israeli antibody test.

https://www.gov.il/he/Departments/Guides/flying-to-israel-guidlines?chapterIndex=5

(https://i.imgur.com/FzWgz8y.png)
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: Ergel on February 16, 2021, 02:30:35 PM
Apparently, as of now they are accepting foreign tests along with an Israeli antibody test.

https://www.gov.il/he/Departments/Guides/flying-to-israel-guidlines?chapterIndex=5

(https://i.imgur.com/FzWgz8y.png)

So he should go get an antibody test in order to get out of bidud. Did they tell him that won't work?
And I'm not sure that they are accepting a foreign test + the antibody test, as much as they are just accepting the antibody test, no?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: Danlover111 on February 16, 2021, 02:32:40 PM
I was just informed that a family member who contracted COVID-19 while visiting the US was sent to 10 day quarantine despite presenting a Positive and Negative PCR test!

Is this the current SOP? Are there any exceptions?
I was told you need to get an ishur machlim.
https://corona.health.gov.il/green-pass
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: shmooz on February 16, 2021, 02:36:27 PM
Apparently, as of now they are accepting foreign tests along with an Israeli antibody test.

https://www.gov.il/he/Departments/Guides/flying-to-israel-guidlines?chapterIndex=5


How do they get out of bidud to go do the test? Looks like they need to fill out that form and get permission?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on February 16, 2021, 02:39:04 PM
How do they get out of bidud to go do the test? Looks like they need to fill out that form and get permission?

Apparently one is permitted to go out of bidud for testing purposes (as long as they don't use public transportation, and take the shortest possible route).
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: Danlover111 on February 16, 2021, 02:42:17 PM
Apparently one is permitted to go out of bidud for testing purposes (as long as they don't use public transportation, and take the shortest possible route).
That is correct ,we did that multiple times when we needed a walk!
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on February 16, 2021, 02:50:29 PM
I was just informed that a family member who contracted COVID-19 while visiting the US was sent to 10 day quarantine despite presenting a Positive and Negative PCR test!

Is this the current SOP? Are there any exceptions?
You mean he tested positive on his way back to Israel?
Then isn't it obvious that he has to go into quarantine?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: aisrael on February 16, 2021, 02:59:33 PM
i make no promises the story is that the airport as of now is not closed past the 20th so they can land in israel on the 21st
did they talk about if they plan on extending it etc? or they only stopping people from coming in not outbound?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on February 16, 2021, 03:00:43 PM
You mean he tested positive on his way back to Israel?
Then isn't it obvious that he has to go into quarantine?

No. I mean he got sick with COVID-19 while he was visiting the US. Tested negative prior to flying. He wouldn't have been able to board a flight back without a negative test within 72 hours.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on February 16, 2021, 04:25:43 PM
It can’t happen in Israel without protektsia and kombinot :D

Seems like the kombinot part is right there in plain view, just as noted:

Apparently one is permitted to go out of bidud for testing purposes (as long as they don't use public transportation, and take the shortest possible route).
That is correct ,we did that multiple times when we needed a walk!

Forget about startup nation. It is Kombinot nation!
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 16, 2021, 10:18:54 PM
If you don't then it is a disingenuous leading question. Yes I made an assumption that you were asking the question in good faith, but it seems that I was very wrong about it and I should never assume you say things in good faith.
So your assumptions are justified based on some silly elimination process. Lol.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on February 17, 2021, 01:13:40 AM
MoH has been brainstorming  :o

https://www.timesofisrael.com/transportation-ministry-seeks-to-restrict-international-travel-for-unvaccinated/

Some of the ideas is to have seperate flights for the vaccinated and the non-vaccinated.. and track phones of those who don't want to go into motel quarantine  ::)
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: yfr bachur on February 17, 2021, 05:40:49 AM
They haven't figured out that you don't have to take your phone with you yet????
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on February 17, 2021, 05:48:03 AM
They haven't figured out that you don't have to take your phone with you yet????
Let them do what they want to do.. as long as they reopen natbag I'm on board  :)
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on February 17, 2021, 06:04:16 AM

(https://i.postimg.cc/SQWHFF0N/Screenshot-20210217-130329.png) (https://postimg.cc/F1HT36s2)
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: aisrael on February 17, 2021, 06:17:04 AM
(https://i.postimg.cc/SQWHFF0N/Screenshot-20210217-130329.png) (https://postimg.cc/F1HT36s2)
only delta united hasnt gotten permision?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on February 17, 2021, 07:08:52 AM
only delta united hasnt gotten permision?
UA as well

Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: aisrael on February 17, 2021, 07:16:17 AM
UA as well

so they will each be flying every other day?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: shmooz on February 17, 2021, 08:58:45 AM
So pretty clear they are extending the closure other than for these flights.

What happens to people who are currently booked on those flights, the airline will cancel? Ask if you have an ishur?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on February 17, 2021, 09:37:50 AM
Apparently, as of now they are accepting foreign tests along with an Israeli antibody test.

https://www.gov.il/he/Departments/Guides/flying-to-israel-guidlines?chapterIndex=5

(https://i.imgur.com/FzWgz8y.png)

Not wanting to risk coming back with a low antibody test, I made an appointment for vaccine 1st dose. I guess I will be able to report back how that works for someone who already has antibodies (albeit on the low end as of now).
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: shmooz on February 17, 2021, 10:41:24 AM
UA 90 for 23rd is sold out, at least online
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: NTorch on February 17, 2021, 10:42:02 AM
I'm not sure this is the same question as what was asked above, but what happens if you are already booked on a Delta 11:55 PM flight and that flight becomes a "rescue flight" ?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: AsherO on February 17, 2021, 11:17:21 AM
So pretty clear they are extending the closure other than for these flights.

What happens to people who are currently booked on those flights, the airline will cancel? Ask if you have an ishur?
I'm not sure this is the same question as what was asked above, but what happens if you are already booked on a Delta 11:55 PM flight and that flight becomes a "rescue flight" ?

@shmooz @NTorch You guys aren't following. They aren't re-opening the airport. They are adding flights to allow up to 2000 entries a day. Buying a ticket on the flight doesn't get you into Israel, you have to be eligible under whatever the guidelines are at the time, or get special permission from a special committee called Vaadat Charigim.

So the flight is just a means to facilitate the increased entry quota, and you'd obviously need a seat on one of these flights (or enter some other way) to get in. But being ticketed on one of these flights on its own doesn't qualify you.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: shmooz on February 17, 2021, 11:21:39 AM
Got it, but what will the airlines do with previously ticketed passengers? Cancel so they can sell the seats to others? Wait till pax cancel? Call and ask if they have an an ishur?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: NTorch on February 17, 2021, 11:24:14 AM
@shmooz @NTorch You guys aren't following. They aren't re-opening the airport. They are adding flights to allow up to 2000 entries a day. Buying a ticket on the flight doesn't get you into Israel, you have to be eligible under whatever the guidelines are at the time, or get special permission from a special committee called Vaadat Charigim.

So the flight is just a means to facilitate the increased entry quota, and you'd obviously need a seat on one of these flights (or enter some other way) to get in. But being ticketed on one of these flights on its own doesn't qualify you.

Hi @AsherO   - I don't think you are understanding my question. The 11:55 PM Delta flights referenced in @tavster post above are flights from Israel to the US. The 11:55 PM flight was the regular non-stop TLV-JFK flight pre-closure. My question is if you are already booked on that flight for a date after 2/20, will you need to do anything else to keep the seat on the flight to the US.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: AsherO on February 17, 2021, 11:45:00 AM
Hi @AsherO   - I don't think you are understanding my question. The 11:55 PM Delta flights referenced in @tavster post above are flights from Israel to the US. The 11:55 PM flight was the regular non-stop TLV-JFK flight pre-closure. My question is if you are already booked on that flight for a date after 2/20, will you need to do anything else to keep the seat on the flight to the US.

Ooops, sorry. Is it clear yet whether or which flights out of Israel will continue as scheduled to carry passengers? Both flights mentioned in this tweet


Are to Israel.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on February 17, 2021, 11:58:16 AM
My FIL was booked the the LY to MIA on Feb 28 and it just got cancelled, with LY saying it's due to Israeli regulations.

They must already know natbag closure will be extended, IMHO
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: Danlover111 on February 17, 2021, 02:59:06 PM
Is it confirmed TLV will be closed till march 7?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on February 17, 2021, 03:07:37 PM
Is it confirmed TLV will be closed till march 7?

Like everything. Closed is a relative term.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on February 17, 2021, 03:12:27 PM
Is it confirmed TLV will be closed till march 7?
Source?

This seems to indicate partial reopening from next week, unless I misunderstood
https://www-israelhayom-co-il.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.israelhayom.co.il/interactive/amp/article/852521?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQArABIA%3D%3D#aoh=16135925716563&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.israelhayom.co.il%2Farticle%2F852521
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: Danlover111 on February 17, 2021, 03:24:38 PM
Source?

This seems to indicate partial reopening from next week, unless I misunderstood
https://www-israelhayom-co-il.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.israelhayom.co.il/interactive/amp/article/852521?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQArABIA%3D%3D#aoh=16135925716563&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.israelhayom.co.il%2Farticle%2F852521
From this thread     https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=123459.0
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on February 17, 2021, 03:29:38 PM
From this thread     https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=123459.0
Too many threads covering the same topic..  :)
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: Danlover111 on February 17, 2021, 03:33:49 PM
Too many threads covering the same topic..  :)
100 achuz!
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 17, 2021, 07:09:10 PM
I understand that it’s likely to be extended, but am I correct that as of now the quarantine hotels on arrival expire on Feb 21 at 07:00?

Here is the latest announcement I managed to find https://t.me/MOHreport/7543
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 18, 2021, 01:22:05 AM
Title: Leaving Israel
Post by: happyness on February 18, 2021, 05:40:59 AM
I live in Israel and I am a US citizen on a student visa. My wife and 2 childred are both dual citizens. We have a wedding in the beginning of March. The way things look the airport won't be open for us to come back. Does anyone have any advice as to what we can fill out and say so that they will allow us to travel back?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: yochai on February 18, 2021, 08:43:21 AM
My mother is booked on DL from JFK-TLV on 2/28. According to next week’s schedule on DDMS, is seems that Sunday is UAs slot. Can I assume the flight will get cancelled and look into other options?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on February 18, 2021, 08:45:52 AM
My mother is booked on DL from JFK-TLV on 2/28. According to next week’s schedule on DDMS, is seems that Sunday is UAs slot. Can I assume the flight will get cancelled and look into other options?

I recall seeing somewhat that DL is daily. UA is 3x per week.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on February 18, 2021, 09:58:52 AM
I understand that it’s likely to be extended, but am I correct that as of now the quarantine hotels on arrival expire on Feb 21 at 07:00?

Here is the latest announcement I managed to find https://t.me/MOHreport/7543
It's now been extended to March 1st
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: AsherO on February 18, 2021, 10:58:26 AM

@ExGingi - Proteksia at its best/worst
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: ExGingi on February 18, 2021, 12:27:29 PM
@ExGingi - Proteksia at its best/worst

I will let you know next week bez"h if I needed to pull proteksia and how it goes.

In the meantime I am preparing the kombinot.

Is United plan B considered a kombina?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 18, 2021, 01:34:30 PM
It's now been extended to March 1st
Thanks. Wonder if you can read into them extending it by less than the 14 days they could.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: tavster on February 18, 2021, 01:52:17 PM
Thanks. Wonder if you can read into them extending it by less than the 14 days they could.

I'm getting sick and tired of this government

Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 18, 2021, 03:02:18 PM


I'm getting sick and tired of this government

Ha. I have a tentative ticket for March 7. Not going into a quarantine hotel if I can't chose which.

Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: simple26 on February 18, 2021, 03:03:20 PM
Too many threads covering the same topic..  :)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=123459.0
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=123477.0
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: NTorch on February 18, 2021, 04:12:48 PM
Anyone know how to see which Delta flights will actually be flying between now and March 7?

A link or a copy of the schedule would be helpful.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: yochai on February 18, 2021, 04:52:22 PM
Anyone know how to see which Delta flights will actually be flying between now and March 7?

A link or a copy of the schedule would be helpful.

Same question here.
United and Delta are selling flights for every day between now-3/7.
I have a backup elal ticket I’d have to cancel by tonight to get refunded.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on February 18, 2021, 05:00:55 PM
On Thursday night, February 18, the Israeli cabinet approved the extension of the ban on entry and exit to and from Israel. The ban will now remain in place for an additional 14 days, through March 6.

Certain leniencies are expected to be introduced in the coming days. The government has already announced that 2000 passengers will be permitted to enter Israel each day. It remains to be seen how this policy will be carried out.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: shmooz on February 18, 2021, 05:06:04 PM
They have hotels for 2000 people a day x 14?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on February 18, 2021, 05:07:48 PM
They have hotels for 2000 people a day x 14?
Maybe only vaccinated or recovered?!
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 18, 2021, 05:08:08 PM
They have hotels for 2000 people a day x 14?
Most are being exempted from hotels for urgent humanitarian needs, by being immune, or outside hotel criteria (70+). I think around 15% are ending up in hotels.

People who'd need to be in a hotel aren't coming
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: shmooz on February 18, 2021, 05:10:04 PM
Most are being exempted from hotels for urgent humanitarian needs, by being immune, or outside hotel criteria (70+). I think around 15% are ending up in hotels.

People who'd need to be in a hotel aren't coming

I see, very good to know
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: shmooz on February 18, 2021, 05:14:43 PM
How long is response time from the vaad?
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: bmw on February 18, 2021, 05:40:16 PM
as long as you booked a delta or united ticket [not air france points for example] then you should be able to get them to move you to the closest date they are actually flying for no additional charge
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: Yehudaa on February 18, 2021, 05:42:02 PM
https://chaimvchessed.com/flight-ban-extended-for-two-more-weeks/
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 18, 2021, 05:46:25 PM
How long is response time from the vaad?
From what I hear, the average turnaround is 2 days and they guarantee 4. True emergencies are handled effectively by Amudim.

I'm guessing as March 6 gets closer, it will be difficult to know who has authority to approve entrance for foreigners. The Foreign Ministry handled that previously via the consulates and the power was transferred to a series of committees which ended up at the Transportation Ministry, but that was only authorized until March 6 while Israeli citizens need a permit to enter.

AFAICT, nobody has the authority to approve entrance post March 6, which of course won't stop them from issuing papers the airlines may or may decide to accept.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 18, 2021, 06:04:55 PM
as long as you booked a delta or united ticket [not air france points for example] then you should be able to get them to move you to the closest date they are actually flying for no additional charge
Yup, to clarify your ticket should be issued by United or Delta and ticket number starting with 016 or 006, not ticketed by a different airline on a United or Delta flight.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: yochai on February 18, 2021, 06:28:17 PM
Yup, to clarify your ticket should be issued by United or Delta and ticket number starting with 016 or 006, not ticketed by a different airline on a United or Delta flight.
Got it, thanks.
Only issue is, if they’re on rotating days, Delta and United will be getting the Thursday- Shabbos slots, which would leave only one other weekday option for each US airline.
Title: Re: ISRAEL AIRPORT CLOSING ON MONDAY!
Post by: NTorch on February 18, 2021, 06:31:26 PM
as long as you booked a delta or united ticket [not air france points for example] then you should be able to get them to move you to the closest date they are actually flying for no additional charge

I called Delta and they gave me the same information - if the flight is cancelled they will reticket without charging more.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: S209 on February 18, 2021, 09:12:11 PM
The ban will now remain in place for an additional 14 days, through March 6.
When are the elections?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 18, 2021, 09:17:12 PM
When are the elections?
March 20. There is a hypothesis that by opening the borders right before then, there will be an exodus of liberal cosmopolitan voters worth a seat or two which can tip the scales in Bibbi's favor.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: JackM on February 19, 2021, 10:03:49 AM
A relative living in Israel would like to come to the US for Pesach.
She has both Israeli and UK citizenship.
Any reason to think she would have any issues leaving Israel, entering USA?

YES. If she would try to leave today, she would probably be denied. What will happen in the future is anyone's guess.

Cahim Vchessed reported on February 7 https://chaimvchessed.com/travel-ban-extended-by-two-weeks-new-rules-published/ (https://chaimvchessed.com/travel-ban-extended-by-two-weeks-new-rules-published/)
Dual citizens: Israeli citizens who also hold foreign passports, should be subject to the same rules as Israeli. However, many have simply presented their foreign passports and been permitted to leave.

Do you know if that is no longer happening? My dual-citizen daughter is trying to get to US for her sister's wedding. She has a ticket on United for this Sunday night (Feb 21). She sent in an application for a permit but has not received any response yet.