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Title: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dzla2 on May 09, 2020, 10:17:28 PM
What is the story with Israel抯 Foreigners Ban?
 I抳e been hearing mixed reports about what is needed in order to be allowed back in, For those that live in Israel, but are American citizens. I抦 referring to those that are married, have an apartment and pay rent, not yeshiva bochurim. Though Ive actually heard that  if you have a student ID, then you actually have better chances of being allowed back into Israel. Also some have actually gotten back in already, and upon leaving The airport, we抮e told they need to quarantine in Corona hotels for two weeks, However some we抮e allowed to go directly back to their apartments. Does anyone have any clear and accurate information?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Mikes@Micro on May 09, 2020, 10:40:22 PM
What is the story with Israel抯 Foreigners Ban?
 I抳e been hearing mixed reports about what is needed in order to be allowed back in, For those that live in Israel, but are American citizens. I抦 referring to those that are married, have an apartment and pay rent, not yeshiva bochurim. Though Ive actually heard that  if you have a student ID, then you actually have better chances of being allowed back into Israel. Also some have actually gotten back in already, and upon leaving The airport, we抮e told they need to quarantine in Corona hotels for two weeks, However some we抮e allowed to go directly back to their apartments. Does anyone have any clear and accurate information?
You can try getting in touch with the embassy
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: sky121 on May 09, 2020, 10:48:53 PM
Has anyone flown on a flight to or from Israel recently? Are they packed?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yuneeq on May 10, 2020, 02:28:04 AM
I have a teenage relative born in Israel and grew up there, but never got citizenship. She went to the US this year and now can抰 get back home.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: David R on May 10, 2020, 02:41:24 AM
Does the title have anything to do with what was discussed so far?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ah giten on May 10, 2020, 02:42:43 AM
Does the title have anything to do with what was discussed so far?
No.
Your welcome if this helps.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Baglach on May 10, 2020, 03:24:22 AM
I have a teenage relative born in Israel and grew up there, but never got citizenship. She went to the US this year and now can抰 get back home.
If she lived there she should have a resident Visa which would get her a permit to fly
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: AsherO on May 10, 2020, 06:37:03 AM
I have a teenage relative born in Israel and grew up there, but never got citizenship. She went to the US this year and now can抰 get back home.

You can be born in Israel and not have citizenship?

I know several people who were not born in Israel (their parents were both Israeli citizens also not born in Israel) and had Israeli citizenship forced upon them.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: B.D.Da'ehu on May 10, 2020, 08:50:47 AM
You can be born in Israel and not have citizenship?
Yes. The current law dictates that a baby born to parents who are both foreigners is not automatically an Israeli citizen.


Though I made sure to actively renounce citizenship when my daughter was born in case they move goalposts in a few years or months and change the law.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yochai on May 10, 2020, 09:04:54 AM
You can be born in Israel and not have citizenship?

I know several people who were not born in Israel (their parents were both Israeli citizens also not born in Israel) and had Israeli citizenship forced upon them.
Definitely.
My 6 siblings and myself were all born in Israel and didn抰 get citizenship (ranging between 28-8 years ago). You just need to be proactive about not getting it.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: jose34 on May 10, 2020, 09:07:30 AM
What is the story with Israel抯 Foreigners Ban?
 I抳e been hearing mixed reports about what is needed in order to be allowed back in, For those that live in Israel, but are American citizens. I抦 referring to those that are married, have an apartment and pay rent, not yeshiva bochurim. Though Ive actually heard that  if you have a student ID, then you actually have better chances of being allowed back into Israel. Also some have actually gotten back in already, and upon leaving The airport, we抮e told they need to quarantine in Corona hotels for two weeks, However some we抮e allowed to go directly back to their apartments. Does anyone have any clear and accurate information?
Doesn't seem like there is one clear answer. YMMV really applies over here as everyone gets diffrent answers. 
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Emkay on May 10, 2020, 09:17:27 AM
I have a teenage relative born in Israel and grew up there, but never got citizenship. She went to the US this year and now can抰 get back home.
Can't get back, meaning she actually tried and got denied?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dzla2 on May 10, 2020, 11:43:19 AM
Does the title have anything to do with what was discussed so far?

Unfortunately you seem to be right here. Was hoping for some definitive answers
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on May 10, 2020, 11:57:29 AM
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/coronavirus-israel-live-israel-relaxes-emergency-regulations-for-those-returning-from-abroad-1.8827042
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dzla2 on May 10, 2020, 04:28:04 PM
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/coronavirus-israel-live-israel-relaxes-emergency-regulations-for-those-returning-from-abroad-1.8827042
That article doesn抰 specify if the easing of restrictions applies to non citizens.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: KSMH on May 10, 2020, 04:44:57 PM
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: avrohomgelb on May 10, 2020, 05:01:45 PM
Please forgive me for posting something I can't confirm. I was told an English Yeshiva Boy was told today he can quarantine in his dirah
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: justaregularguy on May 10, 2020, 05:06:00 PM
I抦 shocked he even said that :o
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: KSMH on May 10, 2020, 05:07:25 PM
Please forgive me for posting something I can't confirm. I was told an English Yeshiva Boy was told today he can quarantine in his dirah
If his dirah is his apt, then why not?
If they allow visa holders to enter.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: AsherO on May 10, 2020, 06:50:05 PM
I抦 shocked he even said that :o

Passive-aggressive way to take credit and seem 搉ice.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: justaregularguy on May 10, 2020, 10:43:55 PM
Passive-aggressive way to take credit and seem 搉ice.
for some reason, my mobile view of his tweet came up as incomprehensible gibberish. and when im on the desktop view it changes to hebrew..that was weird
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: AsherO on May 11, 2020, 07:17:57 AM
for some reason, my mobile view of his tweet came up as incomprehensible gibberish. and when im on the desktop view it changes to hebrew..that was weird

Looks like your mobile view chokes on (some?) Unicode?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: gotthepoint on May 11, 2020, 08:03:24 AM
so with new law do people still need permission to enter?
or you can just go on a plane as long as you have where to isolate?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Baglach on May 11, 2020, 08:20:33 AM
so with new law do people still need permission to enter?
or you can just go on a plane as long as you have where to isolate?
Still need permission
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ah giten on May 13, 2020, 12:18:11 AM
any changes here?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: jose34 on May 13, 2020, 08:06:44 AM
For those on a student Visa form to fill out is here:
https://embassies.gov.il/new-york/ConsularServices/Pages/consular-department.aspx
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: TravelSER on May 13, 2020, 08:09:01 AM
But the hard part is getting the Yeshiva letter.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: jose34 on May 13, 2020, 08:29:10 AM
Someone can always apply - especially a guy in a dira or a family without the yeshiva letter and see if they get accepted... can't hurt.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Iz on May 13, 2020, 08:30:05 AM
But the hard part is getting the Yeshiva letter.
Why is that hard - if he is actually learning in the yeshiva? :o
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: JACKBLUE on May 13, 2020, 08:32:38 AM
Why is that hard - if he is actually learning in the yeshiva? :o
Because they are closed.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: TravelSER on May 13, 2020, 09:46:22 AM
Someone can always apply - especially a guy in a dira or a family without the yeshiva letter and see if they get accepted... can't hurt.
THEY DON'T ACCEPTED WITHOUT THE LETTER
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Baglach on May 13, 2020, 11:46:49 AM
 Israel extended ban for foreigners today till may 30
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: JACKBLUE on May 14, 2020, 08:56:20 AM
I hear that if you have a Visa and you can show a positive anti bodies test you don抰 need to quarantine. Can anyone confirm this?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: grodnoking on May 14, 2020, 09:41:26 AM
For those on a student Visa form to fill out is here:
https://embassies.gov.il/new-york/ConsularServices/Pages/consular-department.aspx
You must have been in yeshiva in Israel for most of the past 12 months.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: VLK on May 14, 2020, 02:35:21 PM
I hear that if you have a Visa and you can show a positive anti bodies test you don抰 need to quarantine. Can anyone confirm this?

I抳e also heard that upon arrival you can get a Covid-19 test that takes 3-5 days to get results and if you get a negative the remainder of the 14 day quarantine is waived. Can anyone confirm that either?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on May 14, 2020, 02:54:37 PM
I抳e also heard that upon arrival you can get a Covid-19 test that takes 3-5 days to get results and if you get a negative the remainder of the 14 day quarantine is waived. Can anyone confirm that either?
do you pay for that test?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: bigG on May 14, 2020, 03:22:05 PM
THEY DON'T ACCEPTED WITHOUT THE LETTER

I got approved with out any letter. Arrived yesterday on UA90 :)
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: bigG on May 14, 2020, 03:23:21 PM
I抳e also heard that upon arrival you can get a Covid-19 test that takes 3-5 days to get results and if you get a negative the remainder of the 14 day quarantine is waived. Can anyone confirm that either?

They didn抰 offer me anything like that. Just took our temperature in airport.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Baglach on May 14, 2020, 03:32:18 PM
I hear that if you have a Visa and you can show a positive anti bodies test you don抰 need to quarantine. Can anyone confirm this?
Not true, at least for now
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: TravelSER on May 14, 2020, 03:36:44 PM
I got approved with out any letter. Arrived yesterday on UA91 :)
That's because you came in from Israel to the US ;)

Do you have a student visa or working?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ah giten on May 14, 2020, 03:36:45 PM
I got approved with out any letter. Arrived yesterday on UA91 :)
Can you elaborate?
You just arrived without anything, and they let you in? Citizen?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: bigG on May 14, 2020, 04:06:16 PM
No letter from school saying classes resumed.
We got the Ishur by sending in all necessary docs to the consulate.
The approval was dated Sunday. We received it Monday (The approval came from israel, while NY consulate isn抰 open on Sunday), for Tuesday flight.
My wife and I are both US citizens.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: bigG on May 14, 2020, 04:07:39 PM
That's because you came in from Israel to the US ;)

Do you have a student visa or working?

Meant 90 :) EWR-TLV
Student Visa.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: gotthepoint on May 14, 2020, 05:19:23 PM
No letter from school saying classes resumed.
We got the Ishur by sending in all necessary docs to the consulate.
The approval was dated Sunday. We received it Monday (The approval came from israel, while NY consulate isn抰 open on Sunday), for Tuesday flight.
My wife and I are both US citizens.
when did you send in your docs?
did they ever ask you for more papers?
are they open 6 days a week?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: KSMH on May 14, 2020, 05:26:38 PM
I got approved with out any letter. Arrived yesterday on UA90 :)
Nice
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: bigG on May 14, 2020, 05:29:01 PM
when did you send in your docs?
did they ever ask you for more papers?
are they open 6 days a week?

Few weeks ago. Yes they kept asking for diff docs in diff formats. They closed Sunday. I抳e gotten response on a Friday, but not really helpful, as they are just forwarding all information to Jerusalem.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: gotthepoint on May 14, 2020, 05:47:08 PM
Few weeks ago. Yes they kept asking for diff docs in diff formats. They closed Sunday. I抳e gotten response on a Friday, but not really helpful, as they are just forwarding all information to Jerusalem.
was that you original plan or you wanted to fly earlier and kept resubmitting?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Divora M on May 15, 2020, 01:18:14 AM
I have an Israeli passport, do I need special permission to enter Israel from the USA?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: TravelSER on May 15, 2020, 01:23:28 AM
No
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: TravelSER on May 15, 2020, 01:25:16 AM
Few weeks ago. Yes they kept asking for diff docs in diff formats. They closed Sunday. I抳e gotten response on a Friday, but not really helpful, as they are just forwarding all information to Jerusalem.
Did you have a 'special reason' Why you have to return?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Divora M on May 15, 2020, 01:27:38 AM
No

Can my husband and kids come with me who do not have Israeli passports?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: TravelSER on May 15, 2020, 01:30:17 AM
Can my husband and kids come with me who do not have Israeli passports?
Then I think you'll have to get
 permission,  but it should be much easier.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: bigG on May 15, 2020, 05:21:12 AM
Did you have a 'special reason' Why you have to return?

I wrote מרכז חיים בישראל
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on May 15, 2020, 05:26:12 AM
Can my husband and kids come with me who do not have Israeli passports?
than you need permission 
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Divora M on May 15, 2020, 08:46:15 AM
than you need permission


How do I go about getting permission?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on May 15, 2020, 09:05:19 AM


How do I go about getting permission?
https://embassies.gov.il/new-york/ConsularServices/Pages/consular-department.aspx
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Divora M on May 15, 2020, 09:17:23 AM
https://embassies.gov.il/new-york/ConsularServices/Pages/consular-department.aspx

Thanks, I live in Chicago though.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: grodnoking on May 15, 2020, 09:19:55 AM
Thanks, I live in Chicago though.
https://embassies.gov.il/chicago/ConsularServices/Pages/consular-services.aspx
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: VLK on May 15, 2020, 10:58:40 AM
Few weeks ago. Yes they kept asking for diff docs in diff formats. They closed Sunday. I抳e gotten response on a Friday, but not really helpful, as they are just forwarding all information to Jerusalem.

What documents did they want?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on May 15, 2020, 11:28:02 AM
Can my husband and kids come with me who do not have Israeli passports?
Just heard first hand account from a family that own an apartment in Israel, and one parent is an Israeli citizen, that they were declined entry till they prove that they tested negative for Covid19, and tested positive for antibodies.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Divora M on May 15, 2020, 02:21:41 PM
Just heard first hand account from a family that own an apartment in Israel, and one parent is an Israeli citizen, that they were declined entry till they prove that they tested negative for Covid19, and tested positive for antibodies.

We have tickets to go in July. I assumed we would need to show proof of being negative For COVID-19 in order to enter but why would we also need to have antibodies? Also, if someone shows proof of being negative for the virus and have antibodies would they need to quarantine for two weeks once they arrive?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on May 15, 2020, 02:25:37 PM
We have tickets to go in July. I assumed we would need to show proof of being negative For COVID-19 in order to enter but why would we also need to have antibodies? Also, if someone shows proof of being negative for the virus and have antibodies would they need to quarantine for two weeks once they arrive?

Not sure what the reasoning is. only what i heard.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on May 15, 2020, 04:49:15 PM
this is what my sister got today
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: JACKBLUE on May 15, 2020, 05:22:28 PM
this is what my sister got today
Yup a family member also got this today. Also got rejected because baby (3 month old) doesn抰 have a Visa.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on May 15, 2020, 06:53:13 PM
Yup a family member also got this today. Also got rejected because baby (3 month old) doesn抰 have a Visa.
# WELCOMETOTHELANDOFHUMUSANDSCREWYOU
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Baglach on May 16, 2020, 01:26:00 PM
Yup a family member also got this today. Also got rejected because baby (3 month old) doesn抰 have a Visa.
Maybe try a different consulate
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on May 16, 2020, 09:32:19 PM
which 1?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on May 17, 2020, 10:01:23 AM
this is what my sister got today
any update how to get in now?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Baglach on May 17, 2020, 10:22:46 AM
which 1?
I hear uk not requesting any letters, however not sure this will work of flying from USA
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: nucheiner on May 17, 2020, 11:34:20 AM
Lets get some actual DP.

Can anyone report, and report as well what the process was by customs? (I have a feeling that whomever lands is getting in regularly and they aren't checking much except for telling you to quarantine. This may change if droves of people start landing)
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Afrages6 on May 17, 2020, 11:46:31 AM
Lets get some actual DP.

Can anyone report, and report as well what the process was by customs? (I have a feeling that whomever lands is getting in regularly and they aren't checking much except for telling you to quarantine. This may change if droves of people start landing)
There is one flight in from the USA currently. United isn抰 allowing people to check in without either an Israeli passport or the ishur papers.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: a mirrer on May 17, 2020, 12:57:52 PM
There is one flight in from the USA currently. United isn抰 allowing people to check in without either an Israeli passport or the ishur papers.
+1 and when you land in Tel Aviv before passport control they check to see your ishur
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: VLK on May 17, 2020, 01:40:54 PM
What would someone living in a relatives owned apartment use as proof that they have a place to quarantine?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: a mirrer on May 17, 2020, 10:29:08 PM
What would someone living in a relatives owned apartment use as proof that they have a place to quarantine?
they don抰 require proof that you have where to quarantine they just ask for an address and phone number and have you self-certify that you can self-quarantine
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dzla2 on May 18, 2020, 12:24:24 AM
Few weeks ago. Yes they kept asking for diff docs in diff formats. They closed Sunday. I抳e gotten response on a Friday, but not really helpful, as they are just forwarding all information to Jerusalem.

But you had a student visa. My question is regarding those that don抰 have one, but have dira.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dzla2 on May 18, 2020, 12:30:00 AM
Israel extended ban for foreigners today till may 30

Where did you see this ?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: David R on May 18, 2020, 01:19:27 AM
Where did you see this ?
https://www.dansdeals.com/points-travel/israel/roundup-airlines-cancelling-reducing-service-israel-due-coronavirus/
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: VLK on May 18, 2020, 09:54:49 AM
Anyone hear any updates regarding this new process of Yeshivas having to apply for their students reentry and not going thru the consulate?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on May 18, 2020, 09:56:27 AM
Anyone hear any updates regarding this new process of Yeshivas having to apply for their students reentry and not going thru the consulate?
+1
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Afrages6 on May 18, 2020, 10:02:15 AM
Anyone hear any updates regarding this new process of Yeshivas having to apply for their students reentry and not going thru the consulate?

Yes that is the new process, reach out to the yeshiva which you have a visa from. If they plan on reopening then they are going to be in touch with the misrad hapanim
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on May 18, 2020, 10:17:12 AM
Yes that is the new process, reach out to the yeshiva which you have a visa from. If they plan on reopening then they are going to be in touch with the misrad hapanim
what if the person has a visa he got from mir but he switched yeshivos?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on May 18, 2020, 10:36:55 AM
what if the person has a visa he got from mir but he switched yeshivos?
FWIW they don't automatically cancel a visa even if you're no longer a student. Worked to my disadvantage once.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on May 18, 2020, 10:52:06 AM
FWIW they don't automatically cancel a visa even if you're no longer a student. Worked to my disadvantage once.
my question is who does he apply with?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Afrages6 on May 18, 2020, 10:56:52 AM
what if the person has a visa he got from mir but he switched yeshivos?
The mir, if that抯 who he has a student visa from
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on May 18, 2020, 11:03:58 AM
The mir, if that抯 who he has a student visa from
how does he contact them?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Baglach on May 18, 2020, 11:49:17 AM
how does he contact them?
They sent out an email that for now they are closed so they can't provide any letters or apply for an ishur
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on May 18, 2020, 12:19:17 PM
They sent out an email that for now they are closed so they can't provide any letters or apply for an ishur
at his point you can not apply for a ishur ,you need the yeshiva to apply for you.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Buruch on May 18, 2020, 03:04:48 PM
This is from a personal friend of mine:

 Time sensitive urgent request
One of my children takes medicine that can only be compounded in the USA  we normally have no problem getting the medicine to Israel

 with the current situation we can't find a way to get it here  we've already asked friends and hatzala 
Pls share this message

 we need the medicine by June 1 when the medicine will run out. I can be contacted at 0535207261   0587979721
Thank you Ari Pfeffer :) :)
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Ergel on May 18, 2020, 03:13:08 PM
This is from a personal friend of mine:

 Time sensitive urgent request
One of my children takes medicine that can only be compounded in the USA  we normally have no problem getting the medicine to Israel

 with the current situation we can't find a way to get it here  we've already asked friends and hatzala 
Pls share this message

 we need the medicine by June 1 when the medicine will run out. I can be contacted at 0535207261   0587979721
Thank you Ari Pfeffer :) :)
No WhatsApp?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on May 18, 2020, 03:14:37 PM
No WhatsApp?

If anyone has an issue calling Israeli numbers please PM me.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Ergel on May 18, 2020, 03:37:46 PM
Called, unable to get it in time
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: moish on May 18, 2020, 05:05:44 PM
This is from a personal friend of mine:

 Time sensitive urgent request
One of my children takes medicine that can only be compounded in the USA  we normally have no problem getting the medicine to Israel

 with the current situation we can't find a way to get it here  we've already asked friends and hatzala 
Pls share this message

 we need the medicine by June 1 when the medicine will run out. I can be contacted at 0535207261   0587979721
Thank you Ari Pfeffer :) :)
If it's extremely urgent, maybe recommend shipping it
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on May 18, 2020, 05:09:33 PM
This is from a personal friend of mine:

 Time sensitive urgent request
One of my children takes medicine that can only be compounded in the USA  we normally have no problem getting the medicine to Israel

 with the current situation we can't find a way to get it here  we've already asked friends and hatzala 
Pls share this message

 we need the medicine by June 1 when the medicine will run out. I can be contacted at 0535207261   0587979721
Thank you Ari Pfeffer :) :)
did you try eli rowe? i was told he flies niftarim to tlv
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yitzf on May 18, 2020, 05:42:13 PM
This is from a personal friend of mine:

 Time sensitive urgent request
One of my children takes medicine that can only be compounded in the USA  we normally have no problem getting the medicine to Israel

 with the current situation we can't find a way to get it here  we've already asked friends and hatzala 
Pls share this message

 we need the medicine by June 1 when the medicine will run out. I can be contacted at 0535207261   0587979721
Thank you Ari Pfeffer :) :)

There was an article in the Mishpacha or Ami recently about an Israeli organization that specializes in these things. They have a call center and whatsapp groups all over the world. I don't remember the name, but maybe someone else does.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Buruch on May 18, 2020, 09:14:37 PM
No WhatsApp?

+972 58-797-9721
+972 53-520-7261
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: flyingace on May 18, 2020, 10:35:03 PM
did you try eli rowe? i was told he flies niftarim to tlv
+1 He does.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: VLK on May 20, 2020, 06:35:51 PM
Anybody hear any updates regarding the regulations to get an Ishur? It doesn抰 seam like this new way of yeshiva applying for students is working
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on May 21, 2020, 04:09:55 PM
Anybody hear any updates regarding the regulations to get an Ishur? It doesn抰 seam like this new way of yeshiva applying for students is working
+1
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on May 21, 2020, 05:22:30 PM
I hear TLV is looking to do on site testing with results in 15 minutes (unclear if it's for Covid or antibodies), this might be the deciding factor in opening up.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on May 21, 2020, 06:47:14 PM
How about someone with an Israeli passport entering Israel now (for example on UA90) are they enforcing any quarantine requirements?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on May 21, 2020, 06:51:53 PM
I hear TLV is looking to do on site testing with results in 15 minutes (unclear if it's for Covid or antibodies), this might be the deciding factor in opening up.

I was under the impression that they screen everyone on arrival but they still need to quarantine.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: a mirrer on May 21, 2020, 10:37:23 PM
How about someone with an Israeli passport entering Israel now (for example on UA90) are they enforcing any quarantine requirements?
they have to fill out an online form to do at home quarantine and include an address and a phone number and they come check on you to make sure that you are in quarantine. They have already come past my house 4 times since last Thursday.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on May 21, 2020, 10:41:22 PM
I was under the impression that they screen everyone on arrival but they still need to quarantine.
Quarantine is still in place. But if they can implement an accurate Covid19 screening process in TLV which will take only a few min. they will lift the restrictions on foreigners and the need for quarantine. I believe that by late June or July we will see this happen.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on May 21, 2020, 10:51:16 PM
Quarantine is still in place. But if they can implement an accurate Covid19 screening process in TLV which will take only a few min. they will lift the restrictions on foreigners and the need for quarantine. I believe that by late June or July we will see this happen.
they worked so hard to keep it covid free, i cant believe they will just let people in even with the test,its not 100% accurate,and even if it is,you can still test negative and carry the virus....,all it takes it 1 person to bring it in and they are back to another outbreak 
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on May 21, 2020, 10:55:03 PM
they worked so hard to keep it covid free, i cant believe they will just let people in even with the test,its not 100% accurate,and even if it is,you can still test negative and carry the virus....,all it takes it 1 person to bring it in and they are back to another outbreak
Israel is developing their own test. So if implemented I assume they trust its accuracy. OTOH it's not sustainable long term for Israel to be isolated.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on May 21, 2020, 11:02:18 PM
Israel is developing their own test. So if implemented I assume they trust its accuracy. OTOH it's not sustainable long term for Israel to be isolated.
we know that, but its also not sustainable to start over....
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: kosherjid on May 22, 2020, 04:14:14 AM
If it's extremely urgent, maybe recommend shipping it

Did you find someone ?  You can always contact the embassy, they'll be able to help you.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on May 22, 2020, 08:18:57 AM
The ban on non-Israelis entering the country in order to stop the spread of COVID-19 has been extended into mid-June.The Israel Airports Authority notified airlines on Wednesday that non-citizens would be barred until at least June 15, The order had been set to expire on May 30.In addition, Israelis returning from abroad will still be required to self-isolate for 14 days until that time.

https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-ban-on-foreigners-entering-israel-extended-to-june-15-1001329442
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dzla2 on May 24, 2020, 03:07:15 AM
Quarantine is still in place. But if they can implement an accurate Covid19 screening process in TLV which will take only a few min. they will lift the restrictions on foreigners and the need for quarantine. I believe that by late June or July we will see this happen.

Source?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dzla2 on May 24, 2020, 03:12:21 AM
they worked so hard to keep it covid free, i cant believe they will just let people in even with the test,its not 100% accurate,and even if it is,you can still test negative and carry the virus....,all it takes it 1 person to bring it in and they are back to another outbreak

I抦 agree with that. However they抳e already started excepting Israeli抯 back in already. So if that was the Absolute bottom line, they would keep  borders closed.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on May 24, 2020, 03:14:16 AM
I抦 agree with that. However they抳e already started excepting Israeli抯 back in already. So if that was the Absolute bottom line, they would keep  borders closed.
Israeli citizens were always allowed in. Nothing started.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on May 24, 2020, 09:02:18 AM
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/1863896/big-news-american-yeshiva-bochurim-can-return-to-israel-with-conditions.html
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Let3 on May 24, 2020, 01:58:02 PM
Do they still need a letter from the yeshivah?
Is the Mir giving these out yet?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on May 24, 2020, 02:09:27 PM
Do they still need a letter from the yeshivah?
Is the Mir giving these out yet?
you do not get a letter.
the yeshiva needs to do it for you.
whatever that means!
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on May 24, 2020, 02:23:52 PM
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/1863896/big-news-american-yeshiva-bochurim-can-return-to-israel-with-conditions.html

Very impractical quarantine requirements for this to actually work.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Afrages6 on May 24, 2020, 02:58:57 PM
Very impractical quarantine requirements for this to actually work.
Not practical for the mir or brisk to have any bochurim with these conditions
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: 1356Abe on May 24, 2020, 03:13:45 PM
they come check on you to make sure that you are in quarantine. They have already come past my house 4 times since last Thursday.
interesting. Here for almost 2 weeks and not one visit.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: theblakdavid on May 24, 2020, 03:26:44 PM
interesting. Here for almost 2 weeks and not one visit.
Maybe they only come in the day 🤪
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ilherman on May 24, 2020, 05:27:46 PM
Is it possible to get a student visa now?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: israshot on May 24, 2020, 08:47:52 PM
Relatives Allowed to Enter Israel for Weddings With Restrictions
https://hamodia.com/2020/05/24/relatives-allowed-enter-israel-weddings-restrictions/
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Let3 on May 24, 2020, 09:00:31 PM
you do not get a letter.
the yeshiva needs to do it for you.
whatever that means!
Is the Mir doing this now?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: JACKBLUE on May 24, 2020, 09:11:50 PM
Is the Mir doing this now?
No
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on May 24, 2020, 10:41:58 PM
Very few yeshivas that can give people their own bedroom and bathroom for two weeks.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ah giten on May 24, 2020, 11:15:28 PM
Why can't all boys arriving the same time, quarantine together?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Afrages6 on May 24, 2020, 11:52:00 PM
Why can't all boys arriving the same time, quarantine together?
Because it抯 possible that boy one is infected, infects boy two on day 8, who infects boy 3 on day 14. Now boy 3 goes to geulah and stuffs himself into a store and infects six people unknowingly. Then these six people infect forty more and Israel has an outbreak in a population with virtually no built up immunity.

Obviously this is far fetched but it抯 a possibility.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: jose34 on May 25, 2020, 07:35:07 AM
Guess this means even people are allowed to back it may take some time...
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/280807
Flights from Israel's Ben Gurion Airport to resume in July
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on May 25, 2020, 10:26:42 AM
Guess this means even people are allowed to back it may take some time...
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/280807
Flights from Israel's Ben Gurion Airport to resume in July
It's not up to airport to decide when flights will resume. This press conference was a complete clown show. Just a few airport officials trying to justify for their high salaries
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on May 25, 2020, 11:33:34 AM
It's not up to airport to decide when flights will resume. This press conference was a complete clown show. Just a few airport officials trying to justify for their high salaries
And not the first time they pulled this stunt
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Mikes@Micro on May 25, 2020, 06:57:54 PM
http://
And not the first time they pulled this stunt
Regular israelis. Kinda like this
https://www.timesofisrael.com/labor-talks-with-el-al-union-said-to-devolve-into-chair-throwing-melee/
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: JACKBLUE on May 26, 2020, 09:00:55 AM
Is the Mir doing this now?
No
I hear that the Mir sent out an email that they can now apply for a אישור.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Let3 on May 26, 2020, 10:33:23 AM
Thanks !

So are people now going to go back or is everyone just settling in America?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on May 27, 2020, 05:53:31 AM
Cases in Israel on the rise again 35 yesterday up from 15 the day before, and there seem to be a few clusters at schools.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Ergel on May 27, 2020, 07:35:04 AM
Cases in Israel on the rise again 35 yesterday up from 15 the day before, and there seem to be a few clusters at schools.
Per my next door neighbor doctor, most of the increase is in Tel Aviv
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on May 27, 2020, 07:36:15 AM
Per my next door neighbor doctor, most of the increase is in Tel Aviv
Not sure why a doctor is more qualified to provide this information, but it is true per MoH website.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on May 27, 2020, 07:36:27 AM
Per my next door neighbor doctor, most of the increase is in Tel Aviv
I live in Tel Aviv. Hardly see anyone wearing masks these days and they have reopened everything. So can't say I'm surprised
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on May 27, 2020, 07:37:21 AM
I live in Tel Aviv. Hardly see anyone wearing masks these days and they have reopened everything. So can't say I'm surprised
Never understood how Israel got it so low in the first place.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on May 27, 2020, 07:40:23 AM
Never understood how Israel got it so low in the first place.
Agreed. And despite bnei braq  ;)
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: VLK on May 27, 2020, 11:30:26 AM
Anyone try going thru the mir and has gotten a response from them yet?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: JACKBLUE on May 27, 2020, 11:33:54 AM
Anyone try going thru the mir and has gotten a response from them yet?
I believe they are collecting a whole bunch of  applications and will submit a bunch together, they told people to give it 5-7 days.....
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: VLK on June 01, 2020, 01:11:15 PM
I got an ishur yesterday. Got one for me and one for my wife but not for my 2 children (ages 3 and 1). Anyone know if I need a separate paper for them or if me and my wife have that抯 enough?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: jose34 on June 01, 2020, 01:44:21 PM
I got an ishur yesterday. Got one for me and one for my wife but not for my 2 children (ages 3 and 1). Anyone know if I need a separate paper for them or if me and my wife have that抯 enough?
Huh, you applied for everyone for your kids together with you and your wife?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: VLK on June 01, 2020, 02:12:03 PM
Huh, you applied for everyone for your kids together with you and your wife?

Yes but my children don抰 have any form of student visas I think that may be why it disintegrated come thru
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: bigG on June 01, 2020, 02:13:21 PM
I got an ishur yesterday. Got one for me and one for my wife but not for my 2 children (ages 3 and 1). Anyone know if I need a separate paper for them or if me and my wife have that抯 enough?

They didn抰 ask us for our ishur at all (although united asked for it about 5 times)
They collected all the passports, and a lady ready thru each one, to
Someone on the other line.. making sure all the passport numbers were approved.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: VLK on June 01, 2020, 02:17:47 PM
Did you receive papers for everyone originally?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Let3 on June 02, 2020, 08:13:15 PM
Did any Rav change / update the psak with the new regulations ?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: JACKBLUE on June 02, 2020, 08:15:45 PM
Did any Rav change / update the psak with the new regulations ?
Wrong thread.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: m65 on June 03, 2020, 02:30:14 AM
a relative has tickets for a family bar mitzva in a month, he wants to know whats the process, and when does he have to start it?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on June 03, 2020, 11:52:32 AM
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/1867439/urgent-single-yeshivah-bochurim-will-not-be-allowed-entry-into-israel-even-with-entry-permits.html
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dan on June 03, 2020, 11:54:51 AM
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/1867439/urgent-single-yeshivah-bochurim-will-not-be-allowed-entry-into-israel-even-with-entry-permits.html
Please post a government or real news source.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on June 03, 2020, 01:17:12 PM
a relative has tickets for a family bar mitzva in a month, he wants to know whats the process, and when does he have to start it?
married,visa?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ah giten on June 05, 2020, 01:39:08 AM
Thread title should be updated to: Israel NOT opening to foreigners... (In the near future).
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 05, 2020, 05:11:11 AM
a relative has tickets for a family bar mitzva in a month, he wants to know whats the process, and when does he have to start it?
Email the local Israeli consulate. Process takes a few days, so you want to do it when cases are low in Israel and sentiment is on your side.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: kosherjid on June 05, 2020, 06:51:02 AM
I just heard that from today all flights to Israel are forbidden entry.  Is this true ?  Is it only from Europe ? What about those families who got permission are bought tickets for next week ?!?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on June 05, 2020, 06:52:27 AM
I just heard that from today all flights to Israel are forbidden entry.  Is this true ?  Is it only from Europe ? What about those families who got permission are bought tickets for next week ?!?
It was a threat from the airport authority employees, but they already cancelled it after discussions with the ministry of transportation
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: kosherjid on June 05, 2020, 11:58:21 AM
Are you sure ?  There's rumour going around that it's not because of the strike.  It's because of the virus.  I hope it's not true.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Buruch on June 07, 2020, 10:22:07 AM
Which airlines are currently flying into Israel? From anywhere, not just US.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Ergel on June 07, 2020, 10:25:46 AM
AC, DL, LY, UA, ET
I believe that's it for now
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: moish on June 07, 2020, 10:50:14 AM
LH
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 07, 2020, 11:12:49 AM
And Belarus from Minsk
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: moish on June 07, 2020, 11:48:24 AM
And Wizz

Easier to just check here:
https://www.iaa.gov.il/en-US/airports/bengurion/Pages/default.aspx
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 07, 2020, 11:49:26 AM
https://www.gov.il/he/departments/publications/reports/updating_flights_to_israel
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on June 10, 2020, 11:03:24 AM
Israel has extended its entry ban for non-Israelis who are not permanent residents until July 1, according to Channel 13.
The decision to keep the borders closed comes as virus cases continue to rise.

Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dan on June 10, 2020, 11:20:35 AM
Israel has extended its entry ban for non-Israelis who are not permanent residents until July 1, according to Channel 13.
The decision to keep the borders closed comes as virus cases continue to rise.
https://www.dansdeals.com/points-travel/israel/israel-wont-open-borders-foreign-nationals-june/
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: m65 on June 10, 2020, 12:10:39 PM
married,visa?
married (to an israli citizen) no visa
always gets tourist visa on spot
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on June 10, 2020, 12:15:20 PM
Please post a government or real news source.
https://mobile.mako.co.il/news-israel/2020_q2/Article-6539b9ae6258271026.htm
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: bobeli on June 17, 2020, 10:35:13 PM
where can I get health insurance that covers corona in israel?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dr Moose on June 18, 2020, 11:59:02 PM
For a Israeli citizen during the 14 day quarantine when returning from abroad, are you just stuck in your house or is it total isolation from your immediate family as well?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on June 19, 2020, 12:00:44 AM
For a Israeli citizen during the 14 day quarantine when returning from abroad, are you just stuck in your house or is it total isolation from your immediate family as well?
If you are not fully isolated from your family, then whoever is living with you must quarantine with you as well
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dr Moose on June 19, 2020, 12:05:50 AM
If you are not fully isolated from your family, then whoever is living with you must quarantine with you as well
Even though they haven't left Israel at all?

Is there a website that can see a the official rules like this?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Mikes@Micro on June 19, 2020, 12:14:25 AM
Even though they haven't left Israel at all?

Is there a website that can see a the official rules like this?
Isreaeli Gov websites are a mess but check NY consulate, Chaim Vchessed, Health Ministry, DC embassy.

Exact detail likely dont exist publicly (or at least you'll never find that pdf that one MK you've never heard tweeted a dropbox link to) BUT you can call/ email Chaim Vchessed. They seem to have contacts in the Health ministry

(Also not clear which ministry or combination of ministry's are in charge of the different aspects....)

BHatzlacha!
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on June 19, 2020, 12:17:55 AM
Even though they haven't left Israel at all?

Is there a website that can see a the official rules like this?
Check https://govextra.gov.il/ministry-of-health/corona/corona-virus-en/guidelines-2/en-home-isolation/#international

I have a few close friends who had to travel abroad and when they returned they were allowed to self isolate a closed room at home, separated from the rest of the family, without the rest of the family having to quarantine. It's far from ideal but worth checking with the health ministry
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Mikes@Micro on June 19, 2020, 12:19:19 AM
@tavster how do you get in touch with them?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on June 19, 2020, 12:23:53 AM
@tavster how do you get in touch with them?
I believe the number is 086241010
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Mikes@Micro on June 19, 2020, 12:26:05 AM
I believe the number is 086241010
Thanks
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: bobeli on June 22, 2020, 09:12:28 PM
how do you update your marriage by the interior ministry?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: zagguru on June 22, 2020, 09:43:07 PM
Thread title should be updated to: Israel NOT opening to foreigners... (In the near future).

+1
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Buruch on June 23, 2020, 12:59:02 PM
Is there a link to get the application the yeshiva must submit?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Pesach on June 24, 2020, 01:10:54 AM
is there anything my friend can do to get to  israel for his niece weddign by himself, he is married and wants to fly by himself in july and stay for a few days?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on June 24, 2020, 01:21:02 AM
stay for a few days?
He can submit an application through the embassy, but even if it's approved he would need to self quarantine for 14 days when landing in Israel
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yfr bachur on June 24, 2020, 12:48:30 PM
chaim vchesed has advised not to apply if you are not on the list of approved exeptions
https://chaimvchessed.com/no-no-no-they-will-not-let-you-go/
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ari3 on June 24, 2020, 09:22:27 PM
I have tickets to EY for succos (booked before covid) and was really looking forward to succos in EY. what are the chances we will be able to go? :( (obviously noone knows but opinions are good for discussion and hoping)
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on June 25, 2020, 01:44:58 AM
I have tickets to EY for succos (booked before covid) and was really looking forward to succos in EY. what are the chances we will be able to go? :( (obviously noone knows but opinions are good for discussion and hoping)
i would say very slim
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yfr bachur on June 25, 2020, 02:39:14 AM
I have tickets to EY for succos (booked before covid) and was really looking forward to succos in EY. what are the chances we will be able to go? :( (obviously noone knows but opinions are good for discussion and hoping)

Based on what my Yeshiva is hearing from the various govt office, Sukkos tourism is not happening, Period.

I get it that everyone wants things to be back to normal, like last week, but thats not realistic.
Whether you like it or not the Israeli Govt places more weight on the current scientific consensus than on the firmly held beliefs of the heimishe crowd - even if they do base their conclusions on what they have seen with the two eyes that God gave them.

The borders are closed to non-citizens of Israel.
After much lobbying they agreed to allow case by case exceptions in a limited number of situations.
These include people coming in for the funerals and weddings of immediate family (B-I-L and S-i-l have been refused)
They also agreed to allow married students - whos center of life is in Israel to return. This is not intended to open the borders to them, rather grant them a one time exemption to return to "their center of life".
The recent news is that Non-Israelis who leave will not be granted permission to return for at least 30 days after they leave. (After lobbying they agreed to consider allowing those who left for a legitimate reason - funeral, wedding,medical treatment...- to return before the 30 days are up)
The Mir sent out the following
Quote
Leaving Israel for a vacation Truly painful for me to even write about it.
We live in unique times and לכל זמן ועת, I understand that the requests we received in this topic came from a desperate need but I have to relay to you the following statement from the Rosh Hayeshiva Harav Eliezer Yehuda Finkel Shlita - someone who is already in Israel cannot apply again for an entry permit if he needs to leave Israel unless he has a medical or other very important reason which he should clarify with the Yeshiva office in Israel before planning on leaving the country. We are working hard to help yungeleit learn Torah in our yeshiva. This is our mission and we are happy to do whatever we can to help you get there.
They also heard from one of the Chareidi MKs that the tourisim, interior, economy ministries are not currently presuring to open the borders to tourists.

The Interior Minister, who is Charedi, canceled the permission given to unmarried students to return, very shortly after it was granted.

Israel is probably closer to returning to shelter-in-place than opening to tourists.

Things could change. the infection rates in the US could drop. the virus could just stop spreading. We could discover that eating peanut butter and asparagus cures the virus. but Al Pi Derech Hateva this will not happen. This is not a chisaron in Emuna. This is understanding that HKBH runs the world, and doesnt always run it exactly the way we want.


Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on June 25, 2020, 08:12:50 AM
Ban on foreign entry extended to Aug. 1
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 25, 2020, 08:59:14 AM
I'm hoping Israel opens by Pesach
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on June 25, 2020, 09:03:04 AM
I'm hoping Israel opens by Pesach
Which year?
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Ergel on June 25, 2020, 09:10:27 AM
I'm hoping Israel opens by Pesach
Been saying since April that best case scenario is Chanukah
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Mikes@Micro on June 25, 2020, 09:22:45 AM
Been saying since April that best case scenario is Chanukah
The Hamodia had an interview from an expert saying after speaking to the Health, education and other ministers he guarantees they will have a proctol for students by Elul/ September
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Ergel on June 25, 2020, 09:24:44 AM
The Hanodia had an interview from an expert saying after speaking to the Health, education and other ministers he guarantees they will have a proctol for students by Elul/ September
I believe that they will let students in to controlled environments, mandatory 2 week quarantine with school responsibility, etc. I don't think we will see tourists for a while
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: jose34 on June 25, 2020, 09:36:25 AM
I believe that they will let students in to controlled environments, mandatory 2 week quarantine with school responsibility, etc. I don't think we will see tourists for a while
That would nice as there a girls that dying to come to seminary there whole life.
The question would be what kind of year it will be the for the girls.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Ergel on June 25, 2020, 09:42:35 AM
That would nice as there a girls that dying to come to seminary there whole life.
The question would be what kind of year it will be the for the girls.
All the girls in my wife's school who stayed through pesach/end of the year this year say they had the time of their lives
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yaakov35 on June 25, 2020, 09:42:57 AM
That would nice as there a girls that dying to come to seminary there whole life.
The question would be what kind of year it will be the for the girls.
What would be problem? After 2 week quarantine it would be normal.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: jose34 on June 25, 2020, 09:45:13 AM
What would be problem? After 2 week quarantine it would be normal.
Chessed- going to people houses, eating by people houses, going out Jersualyim for Shabbos. People won't be opening there house as they did before.
What happens if someone if the seminary gets it....
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 25, 2020, 09:47:13 AM
Been saying since April that best case scenario is Chanukah
Better foresight than me. But I think the winter will be a bloodbath.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Ergel on June 25, 2020, 09:48:34 AM
Chessed- going to people houses, eating by people houses, going out Jersualyim for Shabbos. People won't be opening there house as they did before.
What happens if someone if the seminary gets it....
Indeed. To think that the world is just going back to normal is not accurate
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on June 25, 2020, 09:49:29 AM
Ban on foreign entry extended to Aug. 1
https://www.dansdeals.com/?p=233860&t
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Mikes@Micro on June 25, 2020, 09:51:13 AM
Chessed- going to people houses, eating by people houses, going out Jersualyim for Shabbos. People won't be opening there house as they did before.
What happens if someone if the seminary gets it....
"What if someone in the seminary gets it?"
 Is one of the least logical questions you can think about.

Many seminaries sent girls home after purim bc "let's say one of you needs to quarantine and the govt says a form doesnt work"

The Rabbi in charge of Neve said he will arrange for a private apartment for any girl from any seminary (not just the ones on his campus) that need to quarantine.

Please dont make emotional decisions.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 25, 2020, 09:54:11 AM
I think we should declare a girl having to quarantine by herself for 2 weeks is the 5th איסור חמור של יהרוג ואל יעבור

Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on June 25, 2020, 09:54:46 AM
"What if someone in the seminary gets it?"
 Is one of the least logical questions you can think about.

Many seminaries sent girls home after purim bc "let's say one of you needs to quarantine and the govt says a form doesnt work"

The Rabbi in charge of Neve said he will arrange for a private apartment for any girl from any seminary (not just the ones on his campus) that need to quarantine.

Please dont make emotional decisions.
Family members of mine (married and living there),who have stayed in Israel and didn't come back for Pesach, say it's the best decision they have ever made.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Mikes@Micro on June 25, 2020, 09:59:01 AM
I think we should declare a girl having to quarantine by herself for 2 weeks is the 5th איסור חמור של יהרוג ואל יעבור


It likely wouldn't be totally alone as she'd prob be with others in quarantine.

Scenario the seminaries were worried about: Govt tracks your RavKav andnanounces anyone on the 3 bus at this time was exposed. Have you ever seen girls in israel? I guarantee you she wasnt alone.

Furthermore we are talking about mechanchim who will obviously ensure supervision and safe ways of social interaction (ie through a window)


Family members of mine (married and living there),who have stayed in Israel and didn't come back for Pesach, say it's the best decision they have ever made.
Same story with bochrim and kollel families I know.

Families that were here for pesach were more than eager to get back at 1st opportunity.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: jose34 on June 25, 2020, 10:09:58 AM
Family members of mine (married and living there),who have stayed in Israel and didn't come back for Pesach, say it's the best decision they have ever made.
That is pretty obvious. In E"Y as lockdown as it was it was much more of a community feel - outdoor minyanim, people talking to each other on the streets, ( like I wrote before people in E"Y now how to deal with such a thing) etc..
While in America everyone was really alone by themselves.

 
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yaakov35 on June 25, 2020, 10:17:36 AM



While in America everyone was really alone by themselves.

Don't let ddf fool you... only people that were alone were those that wanted to be...
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on June 25, 2020, 10:21:59 AM

Don't let ddf fool you... only people that were alone were those that wanted to be...
Nonsense. Anyone in the Tri-state area can attest to this.
You are an exception to the rule, not the rule.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yaakov35 on June 25, 2020, 10:30:23 AM
Nonsense. Anyone in the Tri-state area can attest to this.
You are an exception to the rule, not the rule.
Aha. Not even gonna argue such an arrogant statement
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: jose34 on June 25, 2020, 10:50:16 AM
Nonsense. Anyone in the Tri-state area can attest to this.
You are an exception to the rule, not the rule.
I am not bragging just saying facts.
People in America had a nice Y"T תפילות  every day of Y"T with קריאת התורה... never missed a תפילה b/c of Corona, had a regular ביעור חמץ  Erev Pesach, was able to go the store etc....
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on June 25, 2020, 10:50:53 AM
Aha. Not even gonna argue such an arrogant statement
Says the guy who said

Don't let ddf fool you... only people that were alone were those that wanted to be...
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yaakov35 on June 25, 2020, 10:59:50 AM
Says the guy who said
I know numerous people in ny area, not one who wanted to socialize or have an outdoor minyan in the regular mainstream places had an issue. So to say everyone was at home and lonely is just incorrect.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on June 25, 2020, 07:25:12 PM
Been saying since April that best case scenario is Chanukah

UNLESS there's some development on allowing people with antibodies to enter without quarantine (or a brief one pending a negative PCR test). If that policy would be implemented, it could be a game-changer.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Aaroncar on June 29, 2020, 09:33:10 PM
When applying with a valid reason, for exemption to enter Israel (as a us citizen), and I don't have someone to host me to quarantine, hotels don't work correct?
Will i have an option of going to one of those Israeli corona hotels? Or is the only option renting an apartment? But i still won't have someone to pick me up from the airport as required.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: nafnaf12 on June 30, 2020, 02:29:12 AM
When applying with a valid reason, for exemption to enter Israel (as a us citizen), and I don't have someone to host me to quarantine, hotels don't work correct?
Will i have an option of going to one of those Israeli corona hotels? Or is the only option renting an apartment? But i still won't have someone to pick me up from the airport as required.
you can go to a government run hotel.
I believe you have to foot the bill,
However renting an apartment would be much cheaper and less painful IMO.
Title: Re: Israel Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 30, 2020, 06:32:16 AM
When applying with a valid reason, for exemption to enter Israel (as a us citizen), and I don't have someone to host me to quarantine, hotels don't work correct?
Will i have an option of going to one of those Israeli corona hotels? Or is the only option renting an apartment? But i still won't have someone to pick me up from the airport as required.
When you land in Israel you fill out an online quarantine registration form which allows you to take a taxi home. The private car thing is a MFA mistake.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Aaroncar on June 30, 2020, 08:32:55 AM
you can go to a government run hotel.
I believe you have to foot the bill,
However renting an apartment would be much cheaper and less painful IMO.
How would you get food in a rented apartment? And would the government hotel come out cheaper then regular hotel?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: nafnaf12 on June 30, 2020, 08:34:53 AM
How would you get food in a rented apartment? And would the government hotel come out cheaper then regular hotel?
there are plenty of delivery options for a minimal fee (30nis)
depending on location

I don't know the prices of the hotels so can't answer.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ytwes on June 30, 2020, 11:02:11 AM
I am a private caterer and have been doing this for years in Jerusalem. If you need meals delivered to a hotel please call me and I can provide menu and references. Highest level of Mehadrin Kosher. You can call US number 718-874-2764 or in Israel 054-844-8036.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Aaroncar on June 30, 2020, 02:13:47 PM
you can go to a government run hotel.
I believe you have to foot the bill,
However renting an apartment would be much cheaper and less painful IMO.
They sent me a form for staying at government hotel, but it says there i would have to foot the bill, any idea how much it comes out to?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on June 30, 2020, 02:25:52 PM
Israel won't reopen Aug. 1st
https://www.mako.co.il/news-money/2020_q2/Article-9e4ebcd40160371027.htm?utm_source=AndroidNews12&utm_medium=Share
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Baglach on June 30, 2020, 05:06:41 PM
How would you get food in a rented apartment? And would the government hotel come out cheaper then regular hotel?
Can't quarantine in a regular hotel
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Happyguy on June 30, 2020, 07:29:01 PM
They sent me a form for staying at government hotel, but it says there i would have to foot the bill, any idea how much it comes out to?
Contact Chaim Ve'Chesed, they are very knowledgeable about these things
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Aaroncar on July 01, 2020, 04:25:31 PM
On the health ministry website, it says israel foot's the bill, and doesn't make distinction between citizens and non citizens.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ein oid melvado on July 01, 2020, 06:41:37 PM
I'm applying for travel to Israel do to being married to Israeli
there requesting i send them a official letter from insurance quoting that they cover insurance in Israel due to covid-19
i tried a few companies to get such a letter with no success anyone can help me with advice where or which insurance would provide me with such a letter
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: a mirrer on July 02, 2020, 06:23:29 AM
I'm applying for travel to Israel do to being married to Israeli
there requesting i send them a official letter from insurance quoting that they cover insurance in Israel due to covid-19
i tried a few companies to get such a letter with no success anyone can help me with advice where or which insurance would provide me with such a letter
do you live in Israel or in the states? if in Israel do you have student visa?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ein oid melvado on July 02, 2020, 07:41:23 AM
do you live in Israel or in the states? if in Israel do you have student visa?

trying to get a visa to enter Israel currently I'm in the states
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on July 02, 2020, 07:48:22 AM
I'm applying for travel to Israel do to being married to Israeli
there requesting i send them a official letter from insurance quoting that they cover insurance in Israel due to covid-19
i tried a few companies to get such a letter with no success anyone can help me with advice where or which insurance would provide me with such a letter

PM sent.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ilherman on July 03, 2020, 02:55:26 PM
Israeli citizen who got married in israel to boy from Canada they have israeli marriage license and lived there for 2 years but have been living in the US for the past 2 years. Can they get ishur to enter Israel?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on July 03, 2020, 03:26:15 PM
Israeli citizen who got married in israel to boy from Canada they have israeli marriage license and lived there for 2 years but have been living in the US for the past 2 years. Can they get ishur to enter Israel?

For a visit?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ilherman on July 03, 2020, 04:55:26 PM
For a visit?
yes
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on July 03, 2020, 05:57:46 PM
yes

From what I understand that's a tough one, unless there's a specific close family reason. (Obviously, the Israeli citizen will be allowed in, but unless she has a positive PCR test followed by a negative PCR test, she will need to quarantine for 14 days, and won't even be allowed on a return flight before the 14 days are over, unless special permission is granted).
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on July 03, 2020, 06:02:10 PM
From what I understand that's a tough one, unless there's a specific close family reason. (Obviously, the Israeli citizen will be allowed in, but unless she has a positive PCR test followed by a negative PCR test, she will need to quarantine for 14 days, and won't even be allowed on a return flight before the 14 days are over, unless special permission is granted).
Would immediate family members of an Israeli citizen living in the US, be permitted to enter (and quarantine) for a medical emergency of a family member in Israel?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on July 03, 2020, 06:04:05 PM
Would immediate family members of an Israeli citizen living in the US, be permitted to enter (and quarantine) for a medical emergency of a family member in Israel?

Possibly, would need to apply with the Consulate IINM, and would probably have to pay for quarantine in a quarantine hotel.

The rule of thumb is: unless you have no personal, family, or financial obligations, don't try to enter Israel without knowing in advance what they will require and/or allow you to do.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ilherman on July 03, 2020, 06:17:02 PM
From what I understand that's a tough one, unless there's a specific close family reason. (Obviously, the Israeli citizen will be allowed in, but unless she has a positive PCR test followed by a negative PCR test, she will need to quarantine for 14 days, and won't even be allowed on a return flight before the 14 days are over, unless special permission is granted).
Thank you. If the husband has a positive and negetive pcr would it help for him as well?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on July 03, 2020, 06:20:53 PM
Thank you. If the husband has a positive and negetive pcr would it help for him as well?

That's a tough question IMHO. It probably all depends on the reason for the visit.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on July 03, 2020, 06:39:16 PM
Possibly, would need to apply with the Consulate IINM, and would probably have to pay for quarantine in a quarantine hotel.

The rule of thumb is: unless you have no personal, family, or financial obligations, don't try to enter Israel without knowing in advance what they will require and/or allow you to do.
Presumably they would quarantine in one room. Why do you assume they would have to pay?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: CRACKERJACK on July 04, 2020, 07:03:14 PM
Is there a way to apply for an Ishur (married to Israeli or yeshiva) before you leave Israel to make sure you can come back! Heard there valid for only two weeks and now that the rule is you have to be in America more then a month in order to get a ishur
Also is it two weeks from when applied or from when you get it?
How long does it take to get it?
Is it better to try get one from yeshiva or the consulate (Israeli spouse)?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Happyguy on July 04, 2020, 07:59:39 PM
From Chaim VeChesed - Remember this can change at any time

Apply a month before your flight - You must apply for a permit less than a month and more than 14 days before your scheduled flight.

Book a flight first - You must book a flight before applying. You must provide a copy of your flight ticket when applying for the permit.

Receive the permit (if approved) a week before your flight - You will receive your permit/s less than two weeks prior your scheduled flight. Usually about a week before.

Permits have an expiration date - If the government will approve your permit, it will expire sometime after your booked flight date.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ein oid melvado on July 05, 2020, 07:59:08 AM
For a visit?

according to what's quoted here they should be able to get into Israel
https://embassies.gov.il/new-york/ConsularServices/Pages/Spouse.aspx
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: MoMo22 on July 05, 2020, 11:34:42 PM
So is United the only way to get to Israel for Israeli Citizens ?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on July 05, 2020, 11:53:12 PM
So is United the only way to get to Israel for Israeli Citizens ?
From NY? DL
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: MoMo22 on July 06, 2020, 12:53:16 AM
From Mia.
I thought Dl is not flying ?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: moish on July 06, 2020, 04:38:44 PM
From Mia.
I thought Dl is not flying ?
They are
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Buruch on July 07, 2020, 01:29:36 PM
Married and have a student visa. Wife has accompanying-student visa. Misrad hapnim says that's not good enough, and she needs a student visa too. Is that true, or is the rep mistaken?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Mikes@Micro on July 07, 2020, 01:36:04 PM
Married and have a student visa. Wife has accompanying-student visa. Misrad hapnim says that's not good enough, and she needs a student visa too. Is that true, or is the rep mistaken?
She should be included in yours. Possibly you need to add her and maybe the embassy can do it.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: nafnaf12 on July 07, 2020, 01:39:43 PM
Married and have a student visa. Wife has accompanying-student visa. Misrad hapnim says that's not good enough, and she needs a student visa too. Is that true, or is the rep mistaken?
rep is mistaken

Why not go through your institution?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: boro boy on July 07, 2020, 01:41:04 PM
Married and have a student visa. Wife has accompanying-student visa. Misrad hapnim says that's not good enough, and she needs a student visa too. Is that true, or is the rep mistaken?
call your local israeli embassy
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Happyguy on July 07, 2020, 04:29:57 PM
rep is mistaken

Why not go through your institution?
+1
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Buruch on July 07, 2020, 06:55:53 PM
rep is mistaken

Why not go through your institution?

That's what the rep told the institution.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: moish on July 08, 2020, 06:04:44 AM
That's what the rep told the institution.
Big if true. Contact Chaim Vchesed
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: NTorch on July 09, 2020, 11:00:54 AM
Masa is saying that if you apply through them you can get a student visa, even for unmarried students.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Buruch on July 09, 2020, 11:37:36 AM
Masa is saying that if you apply through them you can get a student visa, even for unmarried students.

This is true. The chareidi politicians are angry about that because Masa doesn't work with yeshivas in general.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 09, 2020, 12:14:47 PM
Masa is saying that if you apply through them you can get a student visa, even for unmarried students.
A student visa doesn't equal entry permit
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Buruch on July 09, 2020, 12:50:07 PM
They are getting entry permits under Masa. Misrad Hapnim confirmed it, in addition to all the hoopla created by the chareidi MKs.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: jose34 on July 09, 2020, 05:18:26 PM
They are getting entry permits under Masa. Misrad Hapnim confirmed it, in addition to all the hoopla created by the chareidi MKs.
Seminaries that get MASA funding are getting their students in (student visas approved) ?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Mikes@Micro on July 09, 2020, 05:32:22 PM
Seminaries that get MASA funding are getting their students in (student visas approved) ?
MASA cancelled all funding for Americans if IRC
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: NTorch on July 09, 2020, 06:06:02 PM
MASA cancelled all funding for Americans if IRC

You are correct that the scholarships were curtailed, although not entirely eliminated. However, MASA is still arranging for student visas and entry permits for American students attending Yeshiva/Seminary in Israel.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Happyguy on July 09, 2020, 06:07:51 PM
MASA cancelled all funding for Americans if IRC
All future programs but not courses that have already started. Was in contact with MASA
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/282526

Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: jose34 on July 09, 2020, 07:09:52 PM
You are correct that the scholarships were curtailed, although not entirely eliminated. However, MASA is still arranging for student visas and entry permits for American students attending Yeshiva/Seminary in Israel.
So if there arranging for their students, shouldn't this solve some of the problem with student coming in since so many seminaries and yeshivas are under MASA?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Ergel on July 10, 2020, 02:39:15 AM
So if there arranging for their students, shouldn't this solve some of the problem with student coming in since so many seminaries and yeshivas are under MASA?
IF Masa is able to give them permits, yes. (It's probably easier for MASA to give permits to a few students attending a university rather than an entire sem/yeshiva). But, yes, yeshivos and seminaries are preparing for bringing in students via MASA
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: NTorch on July 10, 2020, 09:52:34 AM
So if there arranging for their students, shouldn't this solve some of the problem with student coming in since so many seminaries and yeshivas are under MASA?

IYH yes. My son's school told us to register with Masa and I did a Whatsapp Chat with them and they confirmed that they could do entry permits and student visas, that was why I posted it here yesterday.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Baglach on July 10, 2020, 10:41:51 AM
How do seminaries plan on doing quarantine, how about if there's 1 positive case and it gets shut down for 2 weeks where are they putting all girls?
Besides the fact I'd be surprised if girls even want to come next year it's pretty clear this won't be the best winter to be in Israel
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Ergel on July 10, 2020, 10:56:30 AM
How do seminaries plan on doing quarantine, how about if there's 1 positive case and it gets shut down for 2 weeks where are they putting all girls?
Besides the fact I'd be surprised if girls even want to come next year it's pretty clear this won't be the best winter to be in Israel
Schools are creating contingency plans for this. Leaving additional rooms open for anyone positive. And quarantining everyone else.
From the seminaries I have spoken to, they have more demand rather than less. Though that obviously could change
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yfr bachur on July 15, 2020, 12:55:54 PM
IF Masa is able to give them permits, yes. (It's probably easier for MASA to give permits to a few students attending a university rather than an entire sem/yeshiva). But, yes, yeshivos and seminaries are preparing for bringing in students via MASA

Until the Govt catches wind of it and starts scrutinizing the MASA applications/shuts the MASA loophole down.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Ergel on July 15, 2020, 02:22:14 PM
Until the Govt catches wind of it and starts scrutinizing the MASA applications/shuts the MASA loophole down.
I don't think they are doing it behind the government's back. They aren't a heimeshe organization
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 15, 2020, 02:33:26 PM
MASA is a government organization
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yaakov35 on July 15, 2020, 02:39:47 PM
Until the Govt catches wind of it and starts scrutinizing the MASA applications/shuts the MASA loophole down.
Lol what? Masa is part of the government and government funded... its not a loophole. Israel doesn't have a problem with foreigners coming in they're nervous about quarentine. If a school has it worked out the government has no issue. The reason they stopped letting after shavous is because guys didn't quarentine.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Mikes@Micro on July 15, 2020, 03:25:35 PM
How do seminaries plan on doing quarantine, how about if there's 1 positive case and it gets shut down for 2 weeks where are they putting all girls?
Besides the fact I'd be surprised if girls even want to come next year it's pretty clear this won't be the best winter to be in Israel
Why not lock the entire sem up for 2 weeks?

I'm pretty sure if all the seminaries get together they can find a Baal Tzedakah who would rent 20 Studio apartments as a contingency plan.

Assume the seminaries will have stricter rules about where / when you can go during free time to prevent positive tests.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ari3 on July 19, 2020, 08:07:13 PM
https://matzav.com/finally-yeshiva-and-seminary-students-to-be-able-to-return-to-israel-for-elul/
https://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2020/07/letter-from-a-seminary-in-eretz-yisroel.html

Anyone have any info on this? Is this real?

The timing seems odd with everything going on in EY right now
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yaakov35 on July 19, 2020, 09:02:27 PM


https://matzav.com/finally-yeshiva-and-seminary-students-to-be-able-to-return-to-israel-for-elul/
https://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2020/07/letter-from-a-seminary-in-eretz-yisroel.html



The timing seems odd with everything going on in EY right now
Why?
Got a similar letter from my sons yeshiva.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ari3 on July 19, 2020, 09:39:33 PM
Why?
Got a similar letter from my sons yeshiva.
Cases are rising they are in the midst of instituting new restrictions and lockdowns.

Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yaakov35 on July 19, 2020, 09:39:58 PM
Cases are rising they are in the midst of instituting new restrictions and lockdowns.
Whats that got with yeshiva?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 19, 2020, 09:40:34 PM
Israel didn't decide yet if restaurant & gyms can open on Tuesday, I would take any plans with a large pack of salt
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yesitsme on July 19, 2020, 11:33:23 PM
Schools are creating contingency plans for this. Leaving additional rooms open for anyone positive. And quarantining everyone else.
From the seminaries I have spoken to, they have more demand rather than less. Though that obviously could change
I was stuck in EY with mumps no one wanted to have me as a guest, I found someone that wasn't home for shabbos I took over his apt #HomeAlone
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Happyguy on July 20, 2020, 03:24:18 AM
Why?
Got a similar letter from my sons yeshiva.
Which yeshiva?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: jose34 on July 20, 2020, 05:25:46 AM
https://matzav.com/finally-yeshiva-and-seminary-students-to-be-able-to-return-to-israel-for-elul/
https://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2020/07/letter-from-a-seminary-in-eretz-yisroel.html

Anyone have any info on this? Is this real?

The timing seems odd with everything going on in EY right now
It seems like two separate things. The opening of the country and allowing people vs. Internal restrictions seem to have no connection.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 20, 2020, 04:32:04 PM
Israel didn't decide yet if restaurant & gyms can open on Tuesday, I would take any plans with a large pack of salt
News is now reporting restaurants will likely close from 05:00 per the government vote but at 09:45 the Corona Kenneset committee is expected to vote to reverse the rules
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yaakov35 on July 22, 2020, 09:40:35 AM
https://chaimvchessed.com/foreign-students-granted-entry-to-israel/
And its official. They're allowing entry
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Happyguy on July 22, 2020, 09:47:17 AM
https://chaimvchessed.com/foreign-students-granted-entry-to-israel/
And its official. They're allowing entry
It does say that not all institutions will qualify.
Wondering if students will want to come back and spend succos away from home? And those that decide to wait until after Yom Tov might make the Yeshivos/Seminaries decide to only open then because its not worth having half empty classes....
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ar on July 22, 2020, 11:57:18 PM
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/1885357/report-israel-may-open-its-skies-via-rapid-covid-19-tests-by-september.html

I think this will end up happening. They need the tourism desperately
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dan on July 23, 2020, 12:08:49 AM
How does it help if someone can take 10 days to turn positive?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dan on July 23, 2020, 12:15:12 AM
By taking 2 negative covid tests within 10 days (day 1 & 5-8) and then taking the 3rd at the airport
Which means you can get infected the day before you fly and test negative on everything.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yaakov35 on July 23, 2020, 12:19:30 AM
How does it help if someone can take 10 days to turn positive?
Takes 10 days to get infected? Thought its 10 days for symptoms to show..
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Mikes@Micro on July 23, 2020, 12:20:18 AM
Which means you can get infected the day before you fly and test negative on everything.
Maybe its statistically negligible?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ar on July 23, 2020, 12:26:59 AM
Might be pretty safe if you show two negative tests from the past 5 days, and you take a 3rd test at airport + quarantine for a few days.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ar on July 23, 2020, 12:28:52 AM
Which means you can get infected the day before you fly and test negative on everything.

Lol that's why I deleted my post. But I'm sure theres some creative way to manage this better.. just to close up until a vaccine is also not realistic
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Buruch on July 23, 2020, 06:01:50 AM
How does it help if someone can take 10 days to turn positive?

Obviously no guarantee, but let's say they figure it will weed out 90% of cases, it's worth it to open up to tourism etc.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on July 26, 2020, 07:33:29 AM
Lol that's why I deleted my post. But I'm sure theres some creative way to manage this better.. just to close up until a vaccine is also not realistic
The economy is tanking,  long term it's not sustainable.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yfr bachur on July 26, 2020, 09:58:24 AM
The current info in the Mir is that they are opening a campus for (at least some of) the bachurim in Switzerland.
The rumor is that the owners of the Arosa Hotel have rented/given it to the Mir until Pesach.
(based on emails that they sent out + conversations with some of the magidei shiur)
Unknown to me at this time, if this is just for European bachurim, or all chutznekim.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Happyguy on July 26, 2020, 10:24:24 AM
Sunstar Hotel Arosa?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yaakov35 on July 26, 2020, 10:31:35 AM
Been like this entire zman. Whole hotel is only bucherim.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 26, 2020, 10:35:37 AM
https://www.themarker.com/news/.premium-1.9020339
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: moish on July 26, 2020, 10:37:57 AM
The current info in the Mir is that they are opening a campus for (at least some of) the bachurim in Switzerland.
The rumor is that the owners of the Arosa Hotel have rented/given it to the Mir until Pesach.
(based on emails that they sent out + conversations with some of the magidei shiur)
Unknown to me at this time, if this is just for European bachurim, or all chutznekim.
I don't believe Americans are allowed into Switzerland, so that should be your answer
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 26, 2020, 03:10:20 PM
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/284205
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: kosherjid on July 26, 2020, 04:04:28 PM
The current info in the Mir is that they are opening a campus for (at least some of) the bachurim in Switzerland.
The rumor is that the owners of the Arosa Hotel have rented/given it to the Mir until Pesach.
(based on emails that they sent out + conversations with some of the magidei shiur)
Unknown to me at this time, if this is just for European bachurim, or all chutznekim.

Source please ?
Swiss bochurim are in Davos. Jeshive. Courtesy of Fam.Halpert.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on July 26, 2020, 04:43:28 PM
a family friend has Israeli citizenship,can he travel to Israel with his wife and kids who do not have Israeli  citizenship?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: chinagel on July 26, 2020, 04:51:25 PM
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/1885357/report-israel-may-open-its-skies-via-rapid-covid-19-tests-by-september.html

I think this will end up happening. They need the tourism desperately
Any thoughts on this?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Happyguy on July 26, 2020, 06:53:27 PM
a family friend has Israeli citizenship,can he travel to Israel with his wife and kids who do not have Israeli  citizenship?
Only if he currently resides in israel
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on July 26, 2020, 07:36:13 PM
If you guys think getting in and out of Israel is a hassle, it's a piece of cake compared to some other countries (such as Australia).
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 26, 2020, 08:12:17 PM
Any thoughts on this?
Very likely to happen IMO. The only problem is Israel cannot maintain the current trajectory for much longer before hospitals collapse (600-900 patients in serious condition)
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: chinagel on July 26, 2020, 09:41:10 PM
Very likely to happen IMO. The only problem is Israel cannot maintain the current trajectory for much longer before hospitals collapse (600-900 patients in serious condition)
Is there anyone in the government who is talking about the economic destruction?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ari3 on July 26, 2020, 10:45:52 PM
If you guys think getting in and out of Israel is a hassle, it's a piece of cake compared to some other countries (such as Australia).
I know someone who is from Australia who got married here a few weeks ago and his parents were not allowed to leave and were unable to attend
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ari3 on July 26, 2020, 10:49:45 PM
https://chaimvchessed.com/foreign-students-granted-entry-to-israel/
And its official. They're allowing entry
anyone hear anything about the requirements for this? Are they free after a 2 week quarantine or are the seminaries and yeshivos going to have to operate under a capsule system like some of the Israeli yeshivos are doing? I don't think that would make for a very pleasant seminary or yeshiva experience.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Proisrael on July 27, 2020, 03:03:40 AM
Very likely to happen IMO. The only problem is Israel cannot maintain the current trajectory for much longer before hospitals collapse (600-900 patients in serious condition)

Israel has 300 patients in serious condition. It dropped yesterday to under 300 bh.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: moish on July 27, 2020, 06:12:05 AM
Is there anyone in the government who is talking about the economic destruction?
Yeah, that's why the country isn't shut down despite record numbers of cases
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Happyguy on July 27, 2020, 07:04:23 AM
Mir asked all American/European Talmidim if they are interested to return to Israel under current regulations. Less than 10% were interested so they are thinking of opening a Yeshiva in the US for Americans and either in the UK or Switzerland for Europeans. Some of the current Ramim in Mir may relocate in order to continue teaching in the Mir.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Happyguy on July 27, 2020, 07:47:12 AM
Mir have confirmed that they are opening up a Yeshiva in Davos for Elul for Europeans
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: moish on July 27, 2020, 09:17:10 AM
Israel has 300 patients in serious condition. It dropped yesterday to under 300 bh.
I'm not sure where you get your info from, but according to the MOH, it hasn't been below 300 since July 23, and is rising
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: NTorch on July 27, 2020, 10:10:45 AM
The Yeshiva my son will iyh be attending in Elul just cleared 12 boys to enter August 3.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 27, 2020, 10:13:24 AM
Israel has 300 patients in serious condition. It dropped yesterday to under 300 bh.
And the system collapses at 600-900, so the current trajectory isn抰 sustainable.
Hadassa & Shaari Tzedek already stopped accepting Covid patients, so people from Jlem are now being transported to Tel Aviv hospitals
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Ergel on July 27, 2020, 10:30:00 AM
And the system collapses at 600-900, so the current trajectory isn抰 sustainable.
Hadassa & Shaari Tzedek already stopped accepting Covid patients, so people from Jlem are now being transported to Tel Aviv hospitals
Why does the health ministry keep just saying this? How have they not already built more capacity? Why just wait for it to happen?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 27, 2020, 11:09:52 AM
Why does the health ministry keep just saying this? How have they not already built more capacity? Why just wait for it to happen?
I guess the logic is that it's impossible to keep on building as the numbers surge and inevitably will need to lockdown to bring the numbers down, so may as well do it earlier rather than later. The earlier the lockdown comes, the shorter and more effective it can be.

My guess is Netanyahu is allowing chaos until Gantz caves on the one-year budget (which gives Bibbi an exit point to cancel the rotation and call elections in another year), then Israel will lockdown and bring the numbers back down. In the meantime he is priming public opinion by forming expert panels
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yfr bachur on July 27, 2020, 07:05:51 PM
Why does the health ministry keep just saying this? How have they not already built more capacity? Why just wait for it to happen?

This bothers me too, but one answer might be that it takes time to train more doctors and nurses - you may be able to quickly convert any building to hospital beds, but you need to staff it.
The only way to get more staff quickly is to transfer from other duties - nurses in kupot cholim, psyc wards, schools - but even this is limited (have you ever been to a mirpa: nurses are only there till 9 or 10 am) and would still require some sort of retraining - plus I would guess that Israeli union rules would make it difficult to do anyway.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Happyguy on July 27, 2020, 07:25:16 PM
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Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yzj on July 28, 2020, 08:58:00 AM
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/featured/1887167/crisis-brewing-thousands-of-yeshiva-bochrim-and-seminary-girls-may-have-no-where-to-go-in-3-weeks.html
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Happyguy on July 28, 2020, 09:08:42 AM
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/featured/1887167/crisis-brewing-thousands-of-yeshiva-bochrim-and-seminary-girls-may-have-no-where-to-go-in-3-weeks.html
Why is it more of a problem then what's been going on from after Pesach? The article makes it seems as if it's a new problem not a continuing one.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: bobeli on July 28, 2020, 12:26:58 PM
Does anyone know how the quarantine works in Israel now?
How do you know when you can go out?
If you arrive 5pm do they count that as 1 day? Or 14 days means 24 hours?
Are they coming to see you? Call you?

Can anyone recommend a house with a pool for quarantine?
Tia
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Ergel on July 28, 2020, 12:31:44 PM
Does anyone know how the quarantine works in Israel now?
How do you know when you can go out?
If you arrive 5pm do they count that as 1 day? Or 14 days means 24 hours?
Are they coming to see you? Call you?

Can anyone recommend a house with a pool for quarantine?
Tia
My understanding is that it's 14*24 hours
They come to see you
But that the entire ministry is in complete disarray, so who knows.

House with a pool will be very very expensive now. Good luck finding something nice
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: NTorch on July 28, 2020, 12:32:40 PM
Does anyone know how the quarantine works in Israel now?
How do you know when you can go out?
If you arrive 5pm do they count that as 1 day? Or 14 days means 24 hours?
Are they coming to see you? Call you?

Can anyone recommend a house with a pool for quarantine?
Tia

This sounds like a Meseches Niddah question about Me'es L'Es or M'Pekidah L'Pekidah.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: jose34 on July 28, 2020, 12:41:33 PM
Why is it more of a problem then what's been going on from after Pesach? The article makes it seems as if it's a new problem not a continuing one.
It kind of is. After Pesach they were just finishing the year so too finish a year not such a problem. Now you have whole new group of girls and guys that don't know what to do since they were planning on going to Israel....
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: oldguy on July 28, 2020, 02:16:19 PM
Does anybody know if it's possible to travel to Israel to visit a dr there (with a dr's note recommending them to travel)
Also is it possible for a couple to fly to for the husband to learn in Yeshiva there for the 1st time? or they are only working now with single Bucharim and dormitories?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 28, 2020, 02:23:29 PM
Does anybody know if it's possible to travel to Israel to visit a dr there (with a dr's note recommending them to travel)
Try your luck with the LA consulate
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: oldguy on July 28, 2020, 02:25:30 PM
Try your luck with the LA consulate
LA is better than NY?
and which one is better, a DR's note or Student? Bot are true, he's going  for a dr and plans to be there as student
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Ergel on July 28, 2020, 02:27:37 PM
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/284351
Uh...what took them 4 months to come up with this "plan"?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 28, 2020, 02:32:47 PM
LA is better than NY?
and which one is better, a DR's note or Student? Bot are true, he's going  for a dr and plans to be there as student
Yes. Consulate would handle doctor story, students are handled in Israel by the school.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: oldguy on July 28, 2020, 02:34:16 PM
Yes. Consulate would handle doctor story, students are handled in Israel by the school.
Thank you!
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: cdlaz on August 03, 2020, 03:58:17 AM
https://www.ynet.co.il/Ext/Comp/CdaNewsFlash/0,2297,L-5775222_184,00.html

   פרופסור גמזו אישר מתווה כניסה לארץ ל-17 אלף סטודנטים ותלמידי ישיבות

פרויקטור הקורונה, פרופסור רוני גמזו, אישר את כניסתם לארץ של 17,000 סטודנטים ותלמידי ישיבות שיגיעו לתקופת לימודים ממושכת. ההגעה תתאפשר רק ללומדים במוסדות שאושרו על ידי משרד הבריאות. הנכנסים, בהם לא רק סטודנטים ותלמידי ישיבות, אלא גם משתתפי תוכניות מסע ונע"לה, יידרשו בבידוד לאורך שבועיים בעת הגעתם. כניסתם תתפרס על פני השבועות הקרובים והפעימות יתואמו עם משרד הבריאות ורשות ההגירה והאוכלוסין.

(אדיר ינקו)

Seems like good news for those that need it
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: jose34 on August 03, 2020, 10:35:41 AM
https://www.ynet.co.il/Ext/Comp/CdaNewsFlash/0,2297,L-5775222_184,00.html

   פרופסור גמזו אישר מתווה כניסה לארץ ל-17 אלף סטודנטים ותלמידי ישיבות

פרויקטור הקורונה, פרופסור רוני גמזו, אישר את כניסתם לארץ של 17,000 סטודנטים ותלמידי ישיבות שיגיעו לתקופת לימודים ממושכת. ההגעה תתאפשר רק ללומדים במוסדות שאושרו על ידי משרד הבריאות. הנכנסים, בהם לא רק סטודנטים ותלמידי ישיבות, אלא גם משתתפי תוכניות מסע ונע"לה, יידרשו בבידוד לאורך שבועיים בעת הגעתם. כניסתם תתפרס על פני השבועות הקרובים והפעימות יתואמו עם משרד הבריאות ורשות ההגירה והאוכלוסין.

(אדיר ינקו)

Seems like good news for those that need it
The question the seminaries are facing is what happens after this time- will students be allowed to freely go around the country.... If not it all nice and everything that there allowing them to come but it does not really help anything.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Buruch on August 03, 2020, 11:06:34 AM
From the Govt standpoint, once they finish quarantine, they're like any other Israeli.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on August 03, 2020, 11:17:23 AM
From the Govt standpoint, once they finish quarantine, they're like any other Israeli.

So why make a fuss to begin with, if it's that simple?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: moish on August 03, 2020, 11:21:19 AM
Which still means a capsule system. Not fun.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: moish on August 03, 2020, 11:22:09 AM
So why make a fuss to begin with, if it's that simple?
The issue was nobody taking responsibility for their quarantine and making sure they would be adhering to the capsule system
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Yonah on August 03, 2020, 12:01:53 PM


One of my sons is going, I"H
https://www.ynet.co.il/Ext/Comp/CdaNewsFlash/0,2297,L-5775222_184,00.html

   פרופסור גמזו אישר מתווה כניסה לארץ ל-17 אלף סטודנטים ותלמידי ישיבות

פרויקטור הקורונה, פרופסור רוני גמזו, אישר את כניסתם לארץ של 17,000 סטודנטים ותלמידי ישיבות שיגיעו לתקופת לימודים ממושכת. ההגעה תתאפשר רק ללומדים במוסדות שאושרו על ידי משרד הבריאות. הנכנסים, בהם לא רק סטודנטים ותלמידי ישיבות, אלא גם משתתפי תוכניות מסע ונע"לה, יידרשו בבידוד לאורך שבועיים בעת הגעתם. כניסתם תתפרס על פני השבועות הקרובים והפעימות יתואמו עם משרד הבריאות ורשות ההגירה והאוכלוסין.

(אדיר ינקו)

Seems like good news for those that need it
One of my sons is I"H going in 3 weeks. Some of his friends yeshivos left yesterday. He showed me a text from a friend with a picture of him in NATBAG. I told him "That's nice, but I'm still not going to believe it until you send me one of those yourself".

I heard of one yeshiva taking an interesting approach - they can only handle so many students in quarantine, so they're having students come in waves - i.e. 1/3 left last night, 1/3 in two weeks, and 1/3 in 4 weeks.

Which still means a capsule system. Not fun.

Yes, but probably more fun than not going :) 

We were talking to a friend in shul who told us "If you need a place to go for Shabbos, you can visit my brother". I just laughed and said I don't think that they're going to have an 'off' shabbos for quite some time.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Buruch on August 03, 2020, 12:05:15 PM
So why make a fuss to begin with, if it's that simple?

The issue was letting in potentially thousands of infected people.
As far as I know, at this point it's not much of a risk. Hasn't Corona already gone through and run its course already in all the large frum communities where almost all the students are coming from?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: jose34 on August 03, 2020, 12:35:16 PM
From the Govt standpoint, once they finish quarantine, they're like any other Israeli.
Not from what I'm hearing. Seminaries are talking about restricting their students the whole year.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on August 03, 2020, 12:44:32 PM
The issue was letting in potentially thousands of infected people.
As far as I know, at this point it's not much of a risk. Hasn't Corona already gone through and run its course already in all the large frum communities where almost all the students are coming from?

I guess it depends where the students are coming from? If BP, WB, CH, or KJ, then yes, I'd say the risk is low (I'm not exactly sure what the situation is in LKWD). If it's from other communities, the risk could be just as high as all other Israelis, with the only added risk coming from being in an airplane for many hours.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Happyguy on August 03, 2020, 01:53:25 PM
Email from Mir

  Dear Parents.
I抦 happy to share with you another update that hopefully will answer many of your questions that I have received over the past few days. The Yeshiva is now waiting for a final approval of the following plan which we are hoping will come any day בעזרת ה'.
Flight
         Bochurim will need to fly on direct flights to Eretz Yisroel together with the 6 roommates they will be spending the first 2 weeks together with, on specific dates which we will share with them as soon as they get an entry permit.
         Please note! You will need to bring your original birth certificate with you when crossing the border to Israel.
         A bus will be waiting for the bochurim in the airport and bring them to the campus that the yeshiva has rented for the first 2 weeks.
First 2 weeks
The Talmidim will be staying throughout the first 2 weeks in a nice spacious campus near Yam Hamelach. The Yeshiva will iy擧 do its utmost to provide the Bochurim with all of their needs.
Every group of 6 bochurim will have a separate room for 14 days.
Meals will be provided in their rooms.
We will בעז"ה  be able to have porch Minyonim whereby the Bochurin in each room will stand on their own porches and see all others.
There will be a special learning schedule for these 2 weeks along with shiurim from the rebbeim iy"H.
Back to Yeshiva
Capsule means a group which will stay together throughout the zman. The Yeshiva will be divided to groups of up to 50 bochurim in each capsule all of which from the same shiur.
After 2 weeks the talmidim will return to Beis Yisroel and will be learning in the Yeshiva抯 בתי מדרשות, residing in nearby diros and receiving packaged food from the Yeshivah. Every Shiur will be its own capsule, having its own section in the Beis Medresh, own diros and their own dining room for שבתות וימים טובים. (as there will be no allowance for Shabbos Seudos outside of the capsule)
There will be no need to wear masks or social distancing while in these capsule areas.
   Bochurim will not be able to leave the Beis Yisroel neighborhood including Shabbos Seudos.
Within the Beis Yisroel neighborhood, Bochurim will be able to walk around and make necessary purchases while wearing masks and practicing social distancing. Any crowded area such as the shtiblach will be prohibited. Any bochur with specials need that will require leaving the Beis Yisroel neighborhood will need to receive special permission from the appointed person(s) who will be responsible for overseeing this matter.
The Yeshiva is trying bez擧 to provide each capsule the possibility to exercise outside the Beis Yisroel neighborhood every week.
Fees
There is a one-time fee of $650 for the 2 weeks in Ein Gedi besides the regular tuition charges for the year.
Every Talmid will need to submit a $1,500 check which will be deposited only if Chalila a talmid violates any of the rules. This will be used to purchase an immediate flight back to his parents.
Please understand, that this is both a matter ofפיקוח נפש  and being very strictly regulated by the Israeli government. If חלילה  a bochur violates any of the rules, he is endangering the rest of the Bochurim, risking a tremendous chilul hashem, and jeopardizing all of the Bochurims rights to remain in ארץ ישראל. For the above reasons the Yeshiva will have a zero-tolerance policy, while trying to create the most comfortable and conducive environment for the Bochurim to Shteig.
Succos and winter
At the present moment it seems that bochurim will be able to be on their own (within Eretz Yisroel) over Succos Bein Hazmanim as long as they keep to the general Israeli health restrictions (e.g. masks, social distancing etc.)
As a reminder if you haven抰 done so yet please click the following link https://forms.gle/LPFHw8383h4uqnid6 to apply for an entry permit. Please bear in mind that this might be the only opportunity to obtain an entry permit in the near future.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Yonah on August 03, 2020, 02:00:10 PM
Not from what I'm hearing. Seminaries are talking about restricting their students the whole year.

Even the schools aren't, I imagine that there will be other restrictions in place - I can't imagine throngs of these kids hanging out on Ben Yehuda or the Shuk anytime soon. As I mentioned above, we're not even sure at what point the schools would be comfortable giving them an out shabbos, and even then, are the people they would potentially stay by also have an issue hosting them?

Truthfully, I can't imagine kids being allowed to go anywhere off campus at least until succos. It would be interesting to see what yeshivos and seminaries do for what is normally vacation time - it's not like many kids have family coming to visit for Yom Tov

Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: oldguy on August 06, 2020, 03:14:54 PM
I have a US resident trying to apply for a Permit to fly to Israel, Part of the requirements is proof of insurance for Covid-19 there. Even though Travel guard covers for Covid-19, They don't want to give me a letter stating that. Does anybody know of a insurance company that would provide a letter stating that the passenger is covered?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ah giten on August 06, 2020, 03:38:02 PM
Israeli citizen returning to Israel needs to quarantine? Can a negative Covid test or antibodies help? And is quarantine still in the hotels or can stay home?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on August 06, 2020, 04:20:30 PM
Israeli citizen returning to Israel needs to quarantine? Can a negative Covid test or antibodies help? And is quarantine still in the hotels or can stay home?

I guess you've not been following....

Officially the only way to avoid quarantine is to have a positive COVID-19 test followed by two negative tests. Though with the new policy to be implemented in 10 days I don't see why this shouldn't change. But don't count on anything being done logically.

As far as guaranteeing at home, if I understand correctly it might be possible.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Buruch on August 06, 2020, 04:33:14 PM
Definitely can quarantine at home. If there are other people who didn't travel living there, I believe the traveler would have to be quarantined in one room.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ah giten on August 06, 2020, 08:27:32 PM
I guess you've not been following....

Officially the only way to avoid quarantine is to have a positive COVID-19 test followed by two negative tests. Though with the new policy to be implemented in 10 days I don't see why this shouldn't change. But don't count on anything being done logically.

As far as guaranteeing at home, if I understand correctly it might be possible.
I've been following, but I guess I wasn't.
I did know about the posotive and then 2 negatives. But didn't know there's a new policy being implemented in 10 days.

So, I guess my question was, is the old policy of a + then 2 -'s still in place?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on August 06, 2020, 09:38:15 PM
I've been following, but I guess I wasn't.
I did know about the posotive and then 2 negatives. But didn't know there's a new policy being implemented in 10 days.

So, I guess my question was, is the old policy of a + then 2 -'s still in place?

Just ask @aygart, I'm sure he has the most up to date information.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: aygart on August 06, 2020, 11:02:40 PM
Just ask @aygart, I'm sure he has the most up to date information.

That would be this
don't count on anything being done logically.

Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: flyingace on August 06, 2020, 11:05:59 PM
At the present moment it seems that bochurim will be able to be on their own (within Eretz Yisroel) over Succos Bein Hazmanim as long as they keep to the general Israeli health restrictions (e.g. masks, social distancing etc.)
Is there clarity regarding this? Are seminaries also anticipating that after Succos the girls will be free to move around?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Buruch on August 07, 2020, 04:35:09 AM
It's all up to the schools. From the government's standpoint, they can go out like any israeli citizen.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: flyingace on August 07, 2020, 09:49:43 AM
It's all up to the schools. From the government's standpoint, they can go out like any israeli citizen.
That doesn't seem to be the case with the yeshivas in the capsule system this past zman.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on August 07, 2020, 03:40:29 PM
I guess you've not been following....

Officially the only way to avoid quarantine is to have a positive COVID-19 test followed by two negative tests. Though with the new policy to be implemented in 10 days I don't see why this shouldn't change. But don't count on anything being done logically.

As far as guaranteeing at home, if I understand correctly it might be possible.
what new policy are you referring to?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on August 07, 2020, 06:33:47 PM
what new policy are you referring to?

Allowing Israelis to travel to "green" countries without quarantining upon return.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: aygart on August 09, 2020, 06:38:18 PM
Would spending 2 weeks in a "green" country allow a foreigner into Israel without a need to quarantine again?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on August 09, 2020, 07:25:02 PM
Would spending 2 weeks in a "green" country allow a foreigner into Israel without a need to quarantine again?

What if said "green" country changes colors within the 2 week stay?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Happyguy on August 09, 2020, 07:40:29 PM
Would spending 2 weeks in a "green" country allow a foreigner into Israel without a need to quarantine again?
Knowing Israel probably not or maybe it depends who is in duty at the airport when you check in ;) ;)
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on August 11, 2020, 12:41:11 AM
N12 reported today the proposed Aug 16 reopening is only for Israeli citizens returning from the green countries
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on August 11, 2020, 01:30:19 AM
N12 reported today the proposed Aug 16 reopening is only for Israeli citizens returning from the green countries

Regurgitating "news"

#SecondWave
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on August 11, 2020, 05:45:53 AM
N12 reported today the proposed Aug 16 reopening is only for Israeli citizens returning from the green countries
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-shasha-biton-open-skies-on-august-16-wont-happen-1001338870
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Yosel on August 12, 2020, 10:06:32 PM
my son has a permit to go back from the USA to Israel, do they require you to travel on a direct flight?? (that's what i am told by our yeshiva travel agent) or can he travel with a 1-1 1/2 hour with BA?? JFK-LHR-TLV of course for less then half the price........ appriciate first hand knowledge . THANKS
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Yikes2179 on August 12, 2020, 10:53:01 PM
my son has a permit to go back from the USA to Israel, do they require you to travel on a direct flight?? (that's what i am told by our yeshiva travel agent) or can he travel with a 1-1 1/2 hour with BA?? JFK-LHR-TLV of course for less then half the price........ appriciate first hand knowledge . THANKS
My son's yeshiva is doing a group flight with a stop in Toronto
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yaakov35 on August 12, 2020, 11:25:33 PM
my son has a permit to go back from the USA to Israel, do they require you to travel on a direct flight?? (that's what i am told by our yeshiva travel agent) or can he travel with a 1-1 1/2 hour with BA?? JFK-LHR-TLV of course for less then half the price........ appriciate first hand knowledge . THANKS
He can stop np.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Buruch on August 13, 2020, 05:30:50 AM
There are no governmental restrictions on any routing he wants to take. Any restrictions are from the yeshiva.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Happyguy on August 13, 2020, 07:22:34 AM
Part of a letter sent to Mir European Parents

As previously communicated, Yeshivas Mir is inviting all of its Talmidim to Eretz Yisroel for the אלול זמן הבלע"ט.

For those who would prefer not to travel to Eretz Yisroel at this time, the Yeshiva is setting up a Beis Hamedresh in Amsterdam for Elul Zman to which all Talmidim are invited. Reb Yoel Rabin shlita will be扝 lead the Beis Hamedrash and will be joined by choshuve Mirrer meishivim.

The venue is the Ibis Budget Amsterdam City South hotel. This is situated within the frum Jewish community in Amsterdam. All activities will take place in the hotel. There are government, local community and hotel Covid-related rules that will need to be adhered to.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: kosherjid on August 13, 2020, 01:18:23 PM
Davos in Switzerland.  Family with six children from E'Y.  Went on a outing.  Came back, the police were waiting.
They were not in  Bidud.  The parents with the children have to pay a bill.  Fr. 56.000.-- !!!! 

Hard to believe. 
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on August 13, 2020, 01:20:18 PM
Davos in Switzerland.  Family with six children from E'Y.  Went on a outing.  Came back, the police were waiting.
They were not in  Bidud.  The parents with the children have to pay Fr. 56.000.-- !!!

Wow. So these were Israelis that entered Switzerland with what kind of passport, and what was the quarantine requirement?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on August 13, 2020, 01:20:51 PM
Davos in Switzerland.  Family with six children from E'Y.  Went on a outing.  Came back, the police were waiting.
They were not in  Bidud.  The parents with the children have to pay Fr. 56.000.-- !!!
Source?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: kosherjid on August 13, 2020, 01:24:53 PM
Source:  Heard it last week, and today someone got a whatsupp. 
Hard to believe.  Better to be careful, don't try it out....
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: kosherjid on August 13, 2020, 01:25:27 PM
Wow. So these were Israelis that entered Switzerland with what kind of passport, and what was the quarantine requirement?
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Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: kosherjid on August 14, 2020, 10:29:19 AM
Again I don't know if its true, but I heard today from Israel, that they are collecting money for
this family to be able to pay the bill. (matching)
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on August 14, 2020, 10:30:13 AM
Again I don't know if its true, but I heard today from Israel, that they are collecting money for
this family to be able to pay the bill. (matching)
What happens if they don't pay? Put them all in jail?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: nafnaf12 on August 14, 2020, 10:38:14 AM
What happens if they don't pay? Put them all in jail?
there is no such thing as not paying a fine in Switzerland lol
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on August 14, 2020, 10:45:25 AM
there is no such thing as not paying a fine in Switzerland lol
Lol.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: kosherjid on August 14, 2020, 10:49:09 AM
What happens if they don't pay? Put them all in jail?

https://www.dw.com/en/austria-suspended-sentence-for-woman-who-broke-quarantine/a-54270660   This happened in Austria, not far from Switzerland.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ari3 on August 14, 2020, 11:31:18 AM
What happens if they don't pay? Put them all in jail?
for starters not let them leave
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dan on August 14, 2020, 11:34:48 AM
Source:  Heard it last week, and today someone got a whatsupp. 
Hard to believe.  Better to be careful, don't try it out....
Any news coverage? Pictures?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on August 14, 2020, 12:41:56 PM
for starters not let them leave
The land borders are open. Switzerland may arrest upon landing there in the future though
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: bb_sam on August 16, 2020, 09:56:48 AM
From today's announcement that travelling from a "green" country won't require isolation in Israel -- the Israeli government's website seems to suggest that foreign nationals ARE allowed in provided they have a letter from their local consulate.  With that letter coupled with arriving from a green country -- you would not need to self isolate. 

https://www.gov.il/en/Departments/Guides/flying-to-israel-guidlines

Does anyone know how to get such a letter from a local consulate?  What are the requirements??
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dan on August 16, 2020, 09:57:51 AM
From today's announcement that travelling from a "green" country won't require isolation in Israel -- the Israeli government's website seems to suggest that foreign nationals ARE allowed in provided they have a letter from their local consulate.  With that letter coupled with arriving from a green country -- you would not need to self isolate. 

https://www.gov.il/en/Departments/Guides/flying-to-israel-guidlines

Does anyone know how to get such a letter from a local consulate?  What are the requirements??
https://www.dansdeals.com/points-travel/israel/israel-will-begin-lift-mandatory-quarantine-sunday-path-eligible-americans-enter-israel-without-quarantine/
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: bb_sam on August 17, 2020, 10:37:22 AM
https://www.timesofisrael.com/new-rules-to-ease-tourist-visits-coming-by-months-end-health-official-says/

Some hope for those of us in Green countries.....
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yesitsme on August 17, 2020, 10:15:25 PM
https://www.dansdeals.com/points-travel/israel/israel-will-begin-lift-mandatory-quarantine-sunday-path-eligible-americans-enter-israel-without-quarantine/
why isn't NY a green country?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ari3 on August 17, 2020, 10:18:11 PM
why isn't NY a green country?
if it was you would have people coming from FL and TX to NY to fly
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yesitsme on August 17, 2020, 10:19:33 PM
if it was you would have people coming from FL and TX to NY to fly
they should request a NYC ID card
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: shulemw on August 17, 2020, 11:21:49 PM
ID doesnt help show where you had been in the last 2 weeks
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Afrages6 on August 17, 2020, 11:22:23 PM
ID doesnt help show where you had been in the last 2 weeks
Same way it wouldn抰 help with a Canadian passport
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: shulemw on August 17, 2020, 11:31:11 PM
On that they can see if you where outside Canada in last 2 weeks and to where but on a US passport with NYC ID how can they know if you where not in Florida in last 2 weeks
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: jose34 on August 18, 2020, 10:09:09 AM
Is someone allowed to transit through CDG on the way to TLV?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on August 27, 2020, 08:03:28 AM
are you allowed to leave Israel to a green country  and return without a permit, or you still need a permit?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on August 27, 2020, 08:11:27 AM
are you allowed to leave Israel to a green country  and return without a permit, or you still need a permit?
You still need to have a permit or israeli citizenship.
It's been reported to be under review but no change announced as far as I know
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yfr bachur on August 27, 2020, 08:12:14 AM
Can a student visa holder visit Taba?
Its used to be the easiest way to get new blue paper to rent cars/drive other that a short trip to Cyprus
(I know that its not technically legal)
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on August 27, 2020, 08:12:29 AM
You still need to have a permit or israeli citizenship.
It's been reported to be under review but no change announced as far as I know
thanks
when was it to be announced?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: moish on August 27, 2020, 08:43:53 AM
Can a student visa holder visit Taba?
Its used to be the easiest way to get new blue paper to rent cars/drive other that a short trip to Cyprus
(I know that its not technically legal)
Last I heard, Taba border is closed
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: jose34 on August 27, 2020, 11:14:51 AM
Does a person flying M"S from America with an ishur/ student visa need to fill out this form: https://govforms.gov.il/mw/forms/Quarantine@health.gov.il
and get an it approved before he boards the flight to Israel?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on August 27, 2020, 01:12:36 PM
Does a person flying M"S from America with an ishur/ student visa need to fill out this form: https://govforms.gov.il/mw/forms/Quarantine@health.gov.il
and get an it approved before he boards the flight to Israel?
you need an ishur, student visa is not enough.
you can fill it out 24 before the flight or when you land.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: jose34 on August 27, 2020, 01:31:12 PM
Has an Ishur.
That what I thought. You can fill it out when your waiting in the passport line and get it approved on the spot, correct?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on August 27, 2020, 02:20:59 PM
Has an Ishur.
That what I thought. You can fill it out when your waiting in the passport line and get it approved on the spot, correct?
you have to go a table sit down and they fill it out for you.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Happyguy on August 27, 2020, 02:42:09 PM
Has an Ishur.
That what I thought. You can fill it out when your waiting in the passport line and get it approved on the spot, correct?
You save yourself about an hour that way!
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ah giten on August 27, 2020, 10:14:23 PM


Officially the only way to avoid quarantine is to have a positive COVID-19 test followed by two negative tests.
what forms do I need to fill out for this? and do I need to give them notice in advance or I can show up at the airport with the supporting documents?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ah giten on August 27, 2020, 10:39:00 PM
what forms do I need to fill out for this? and do I need to give them notice in advance or I can show up at the airport with the supporting documents?
If somebody can help, it's pretty urgent.
TIA
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on August 27, 2020, 10:50:04 PM
You first go into quarantine then submit the documents to MoH to cancel it
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ah giten on August 27, 2020, 10:54:27 PM
You first go into quarantine then submit the documents to MoH to cancel it
So for now I fill out the standard form https://govforms.gov.il/mw/forms/HouseIsolation%40health.gov.il?displang=en

correct?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Danlover111 on August 28, 2020, 02:50:00 AM
So for now I fill out the standard form https://govforms.gov.il/mw/forms/HouseIsolation%40health.gov.il?displang=en

correct?
yes
I do not think there is a way to just show up and not quarantine, you must go in to quarantine and send the misrad habriut all your tests.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ah giten on August 28, 2020, 02:53:42 AM
yes
I do not think there is a way to just show up and not quarantine, you must go in to quarantine and send the misrad habriut all your tests.
Finally found it written clearly here (https://chaimvchessed.com/quarantine-exemption-process/).
"
All returnees from abroad must observe 14 days of strict quarantine (https://chaimvchessed.com/urgent-quarantine-must-be-observed-by-returnees/). As we have previously reported (https://chaimvchessed.com/quarantine-exemption-misinformation/), there are many rumors, and much misinformation regarding exemptions from quarantine.
The only way to exit quarantine early is by receiving an official, written exemption from the Ministry of Health. There has been considerable confusion about how this process works. The Chaim V扖hessed Medical Department, headed by Mrs. Nechama Nulman and Mrs. Shani Warsager, has held extensive discussions with senior Health Ministry staff on this matter, and we are now pleased to provide detailed instructions for this process.
Exemptions are only possible for those who have previously tested positive for Corona, with a PCR test, then tested negative abroad with a PCR test, and finally, have tested negative again, in Israel. Having antibodies is irrelevant.
If you have the above three test results, you must obtain a letter from a doctor in Israel, in which the doctor recommends that you be exempted from quarantine.
Once you have all the above, download and fill out this document (https://chaimvchessed.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/quarantine-exemption.docx). Fill out a separate form for each family member. Then email the document, along with all of your test results and the doctors recommendation to bidud[member=23435]Moh[/member].gov.il.
You should receive a response within 48 hours. Until you receive a written exemption from the Health Ministry, you must remain in quarantine."
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: bobeli on August 28, 2020, 09:17:40 AM
If you have a lab results of a positive then a negative for corona and you are lucky that magen David is by the airport when you are, AFTER you go through the quarantine forms and passports, by the exit before the suitcases. Magen David checks your lab paper and does a corona test on the spot (again they are not always there) you can exit quarantine when you get the results if you test negative.
Please note that regulations change and you can抰 huca.
It also seams that if you quarantine in not so mainstream area (not yerushalaim or tlv) more like raanana, Ashdod, etc. They don抰 check on you. But ymmv.
Also be nice and relaxed by the quarantine person because they profile you and if they think you are a trouble maker they check you more.
Good luck
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on August 30, 2020, 04:02:58 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Qkym3fT.png)
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on August 30, 2020, 04:14:43 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/BU9QHZE.png)
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on August 30, 2020, 04:15:34 PM
For updated list:
English:  https://www.gov.il/en/Departments/DynamicCollectors/green-red-countries?skip=0
Hebrew:  https://www.gov.il/he/Departments/DynamicCollectors/green-red-countries?skip=0
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Ergel on September 22, 2020, 10:24:23 AM
Yup, I really don't see borders opened before Chanukkah, the earliest
Was this to aggressive? I don't see a scenario that we are open by Chanukah :cry:
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dan on September 22, 2020, 01:15:36 PM
Was this to aggressive? I don't see a scenario that we are open by Chanukah :cry:
Sadly, yes.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: elazarmn on September 22, 2020, 03:31:44 PM
Sadly, yes.
What about students. Will they start that up again??
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: yfr bachur on September 23, 2020, 06:30:53 AM
What about students. Will they start that up again??

Your guess is as good as mine, though I think that it will be much harder to convince them to resume allowing students now.
They've seen what the compliance rate is...
If we know that they don't check up on marrieds bidud, the corona team also know that...
Also the infection rate is much higher now.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Happyguy on September 23, 2020, 06:53:36 AM
The Coronavirus Cabinet is set to convene at 2:00 p.m. Wednesday to discussed Netanyahu抯 request for new regulations for the lockdown.

The restrictions Netanyahu is expected to ask the Coronavirus Cabinet include the partial closure of Ben Gurion International Airport, limiting it to arriving flights while banning departures; the closure of synagogues; limitations on public protests; and the closure of much of the private sector economy.

In addition, the government is expected to request that recently retired physicians return to work to assist hospitals in handling coronavirus patients.


https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/287788
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on September 24, 2020, 01:39:10 PM
Ynet is predicting that Bibi is about to annonce the full closure of Ben Gurion Airport until after the hagim, except for emergency flights.

Bibi is scheduled to make a speech in 10mn
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on September 24, 2020, 01:46:53 PM
Ynet is predicting that Bibi is about to annonce the full closure of Ben Gurion Airport until after the hagim, except for emergency flights.

Bibi is scheduled to make a speech in 10mn
Hopefully when they open it, they'll open it for everybody with tests or something. Hard reset to the old policy.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dan on September 24, 2020, 02:20:35 PM
Ynet is predicting that Bibi is about to annonce the full closure of Ben Gurion Airport until after the hagim, except for emergency flights.

Bibi is scheduled to make a speech in 10mn
Anything? Closing TLV seems to be the rumor that won't die.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dan on September 24, 2020, 02:20:55 PM
(https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2020/09/Screen-Shot-2020-09-24-at-20.38.45-e1600969277312-640x400.png)
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on September 24, 2020, 02:22:59 PM
Anything? Closing TLV seems to be the rumor that won't die.
No. Bibbi doesn't ever announce specifics because it's subject to kenneset ratification, which he can't be sure of
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on September 24, 2020, 02:34:19 PM
Anything? Closing TLV seems to be the rumor that won't die.

My guess - TLV closes for YK every year. This year they might start a little early and end a little later.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on September 24, 2020, 02:36:58 PM
My guess - TLV closes for YK every year. This year they might start a little early and end a little later.
Lol
I'm happy ynet was wrong..
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ttn on September 25, 2020, 07:30:19 AM
Anything? Closing TLV seems to be the rumor that won't die.
https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/coroanvirus-passengers-allowed-to-fly-as-long-they-bought-tickets-before-lockdown-643552
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on September 25, 2020, 08:20:36 AM
https://m.ynet.co.il/articles/58023040
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on September 25, 2020, 10:37:40 AM
Fromal goverment decision today

ב. לא תותר יציאה ממקום המגורים לטיסה, למעט אחת מהסיבות הבאות בלבד:

*לפעולה או למטרה המותרת לפי התקנות (כגון לצורך רפואי)

*בנוסף, ועל מנת שלא לפגוע בהסתמכות של הנוסעים שרכשו כרטיסי טיסה עד ליום זה, תותר טיסה של מי שרכש כרטיס טיסה עד להיום 25.9.20, לכל צורך.

*ייקבע מנגנון של אישורים חריגים על-ידי מנכ"ל משרד התחבורה, לגבי טיסה של אדם שאינה לאחד הצרכים המותרים, ולמי שרכש כרטיס אחרי התאריך שנקבע (25.9).
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on September 25, 2020, 10:51:46 AM
Fromal goverment decision today

ב. לא תותר יציאה ממקום המגורים לטיסה, למעט אחת מהסיבות הבאות בלבד:

*לפעולה או למטרה המותרת לפי התקנות (כגון לצורך רפואי)

*בנוסף, ועל מנת שלא לפגוע בהסתמכות של הנוסעים שרכשו כרטיסי טיסה עד ליום זה, תותר טיסה של מי שרכש כרטיס טיסה עד להיום 25.9.20, לכל צורך.

*ייקבע מנגנון של אישורים חריגים על-ידי מנכ"ל משרד התחבורה, לגבי טיסה של אדם שאינה לאחד הצרכים המותרים, ולמי שרכש כרטיס אחרי התאריך שנקבע (25.9).

Haphazard make it up as you go rules.

IINM they couldn't get any law passed, so it's all up to government instated emergency regulations.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dan on September 25, 2020, 10:54:41 AM
Fromal goverment decision today

ב. לא תותר יציאה ממקום המגורים לטיסה, למעט אחת מהסיבות הבאות בלבד:

*לפעולה או למטרה המותרת לפי התקנות (כגון לצורך רפואי)

*בנוסף, ועל מנת שלא לפגוע בהסתמכות של הנוסעים שרכשו כרטיסי טיסה עד ליום זה, תותר טיסה של מי שרכש כרטיס טיסה עד להיום 25.9.20, לכל צורך.

*ייקבע מנגנון של אישורים חריגים על-ידי מנכ"ל משרד התחבורה, לגבי טיסה של אדם שאינה לאחד הצרכים המותרים, ולמי שרכש כרטיס אחרי התאריך שנקבע (25.9).

Link?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on September 25, 2020, 11:04:40 AM
Link?

Let me teach you how to do it:

Highlight the sentence. Right click on it, and then choose "Search Google for..."

https://www.0404.co.il/?p=662485

And many more

BTW. People are still buying insurance policies for visit to the US.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ah giten on September 25, 2020, 01:09:53 PM
Does this include us citizens? Doesn't say.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on September 25, 2020, 01:14:17 PM
Does this include us citizens? Doesn't say.
If they're not excluded, they're included. It's part of the general lockdown provisions which apply to anybody in Israel and citizenship is irrelevant. The government order allows for the Director General of the Transportation Ministry to allow exemptions, however those aren't in place yet. Travel, including flying, is still permitted for a vast list of essential needs from medical care to assistance to the elderly.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on September 25, 2020, 01:23:59 PM
Link?
Official gov't archive:

https://rfa.justice.gov.il/SearchPredefinedApi/Documents/xKWjPGeVw1skVzKd6s1gC51UxqS/HIYNroF453Kq5xo=


Quote
יציאת אדם לטיסה משדה תעופה עד 8 שעות לפני מועד
המראת הטיסה ובלבד שהתקיים אחד מאלה:
(1) הטיסה היא למטרה שפורטה בתקנה זו;
(2) הנוסע רכש כרטיס טיסה עד יום ז' בתשרי התשפ"א (25 בספטמבר 2020) ויש לו אישור בכתב על רכישת כרטיס הטיסה במועד כאמור;
(ב) על אף האמור בפסקת משנה (א)(2), המנהל הכללי של משרד התחבורה רשאי לאשר לאדם לצאת ממקום המגורים לטיסה גם אם כרטיס הטיסה נרכש אחרי המועד כאמור באותה פסקה, אם נמצא לדעתו כי צורך הומניטרי או צורך אישי מיוחד מצדיק זאת; החלטה
לעניין אישור כאמור תהיה בכתב ומנומקת;
(ג) אין בהוראות פסקה זו כדי למנוע מאדם לצאת לטיסה שלא משדה תעופה למטרה שפורטה בתקנה זו;";

There is a possibility the Supreme Court will rule the government order isn't legal (it also prohibits leaving ones city of residence for a protest), however the kenneset will ratify it shortly thereafter.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 12, 2020, 11:51:24 AM
Apparently deliberations are underway right now to finally consider antibody tests as proof of prior infection.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ah giten on October 12, 2020, 11:59:58 AM
Apparently deliberations are underway right now to finally consider antibody tests as proof of prior infection.
I heard from a friend that didn't need to quarantine, with just the antibody test.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 12, 2020, 12:29:36 PM
I heard from a friend that didn't need to quarantine, with just the antibody test.

There have been such exceptions made (does he reside in EY and a member of Kupat Cholim? That makes a huge difference)? But due to publicity and some attempts using forged documentation, they have cracked down and weren't making any more exceptions. The need for exceptions might change very shortly.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ah giten on October 12, 2020, 12:31:59 PM
There have been such exceptions made (does he reside in EY and a member of Kupat Cholim? That makes a huge difference)? But due to publicity and some attempts using forged documentation, they have cracked down and weren't making any more exceptions. The need for exceptions might change very shortly.
yes
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 12, 2020, 02:05:15 PM
yes

That makes a world of a difference.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 13, 2020, 10:57:10 PM
Finally antibody tests officially recognized.


(https://gyazo.com/0c5fc519ce94ed515c3ac6386732a822.jpg)

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Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on October 14, 2020, 12:34:38 AM
Does that apply to non-resident as well?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 14, 2020, 12:36:55 AM
Does that apply to non-resident as well?

Based on the way I read #5 it applies to anyone who is allowed to enter the country and would otherwise be required to quarantine.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dan on October 14, 2020, 12:51:08 AM
English version?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 14, 2020, 12:52:13 AM
English version?

Anyone paying me to translate?

ETA: for the purpose of this thread I think only #5 is relevant. I might find time tomorrow at the office to do it.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: iwlw2 on October 14, 2020, 10:58:03 AM
English version?
Cant do the whole thing, but since his main point is #5, here it is (loose translation):
Confirmation of recovery based on tests from Chu"l- Someone who arrives in Israel from outside it, and would be required to quarantine based on the regulations, who has in their possession a report of illness from a foreign country (a report of a positive test via pCR, or of antibodies or seological report of COVID19) which demonstrates illness 10 days or earlier prior to their arrival, will be tested at arrival with a srological test to confirm the test. To be clear, in every circumstance according to the regulations this person will be requires to be in quarantine until the are confirmed to have recovered as stated above. If the report this perons has from Chu"l confirms an illness within the previous 10 days, the person will be quarantined and be freed from it only after being confirmed as recovered as a definite infected person, without removing his requirement not to get on a flight while he is confirmed sick so long as he was not confirmed to have recovered.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 14, 2020, 11:22:21 AM
I'm not sure of the implications, but DW just called me that upon entry she handed her passport, boarding pass, and health declaration/authorization to board at passport control, and was let in without any further questioning or instructions. She specifically asked the border control agent "what about quarantine?" and was told "you came from a green state, no need". At some point (I think it was after DW asked about quarantine) the agent asked her when she had COVID-19, and when DW responded "right after Purim" the agent said, "oh, that's a long time ago, you're good to go".
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on October 14, 2020, 12:00:22 PM
I'm not sure of the implications, but DW just called me that upon entry she handed her passport, boarding pass, and health declaration/authorization to board at passport control, and was let in without any further questioning or instructions. She specifically asked the border control agent "what about quarantine?" and was told "you came from a green state, no need". At some point (I think it was after DW asked about quarantine) the agent asked her when she had COVID-19, and when DW responded "right after Purim" the agent said, "oh, that's a long time ago, you're good to go".
I came from a green country yesterday, and was asked lots of questions about me having be to red country.. they also checked all the pages of my passport for stamps etc
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dan on October 14, 2020, 12:06:32 PM
Cant do the whole thing, but since his main point is #5, here it is (loose translation):
Confirmation of recovery based on tests from Chu"l- Someone who arrives in Israel from outside it, and would be required to quarantine based on the regulations, who has in their possession a report of illness from a foreign country (a report of a positive test via pCR, or of antibodies or seological report of COVID19) which demonstrates illness 10 days or earlier prior to their arrival, will be tested at arrival with a srological test to confirm the test. To be clear, in every circumstance according to the regulations this person will be requires to be in quarantine until the are confirmed to have recovered as stated above. If the report this perons has from Chu"l confirms an illness within the previous 10 days, the person will be quarantined and be freed from it only after being confirmed as recovered as a definite infected person, without removing his requirement not to get on a flight while he is confirmed sick so long as he was not confirmed to have recovered.
So Israel will do antibody tests to confirm? Where will that be done?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Moishebatchy on October 14, 2020, 12:21:06 PM
I'm not sure of the implications, but DW just called me that upon entry she handed her passport, boarding pass, and health declaration/authorization to board at passport control, and was let in without any further questioning or instructions. She specifically asked the border control agent "what about quarantine?" and was told "you came from a green state, no need". At some point (I think it was after DW asked about quarantine) the agent asked her when she had COVID-19, and when DW responded "right after Purim" the agent said, "oh, that's a long time ago, you're good to go".

Where was she coming from?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Ergel on October 14, 2020, 05:02:23 PM
Does that mean they will offer antibody tests in Israel? They haven't been offering them at all up until now
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 14, 2020, 05:35:22 PM
So Israel will do antibody tests to confirm? Where will that be done?

We were told in advance that it would be done at the airport (for a charge). However, as I said, DW walked up to the immigration agent, handed her passport was asked where she was coming from, to which she responded Brooklyn, NY, was asked which flight she's coming off, to which she gave the DL flight information, was asked for the boarding authorization, and was let in. When DW asked about quarantine, she was told she didn't need to. I really don't know what happened, was this some kind of an error, was it based on info previously provided, but she was definitely not sent to quarantine!
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 14, 2020, 05:37:03 PM
Does that mean they will offer antibody tests in Israel? They haven't been offering them at all up until now

They are offering them under limited circumstances (10 days after confirmed recovery from COVID-19 IINM, or in order to verify antibodies for someone coming from overseas with no other proof of previously having COVID-19 other than a foreign antibody test).
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Ergel on October 14, 2020, 05:38:11 PM
They are offering them under limited circumstances (10 days after confirmed recovery from COVID-19 IINM, or in order to verify antibodies for someone coming from overseas with no other proof of previously having COVID-19 other than a foreign antibody test).
Will ask my doctor if they are offering to the hamon am
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: aygart on October 14, 2020, 05:47:00 PM
Finally antibody tests officially recognized.

So now no need to re-expose yourself?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dan on October 14, 2020, 05:56:52 PM
We were told in advance that it would be done at the airport (for a charge). However, as I said, DW walked up to the immigration agent, handed her passport was asked where she was coming from, to which she responded Brooklyn, NY, was asked which flight she's coming off, to which she gave the DL flight information, was asked for the boarding authorization, and was let in. When DW asked about quarantine, she was told she didn't need to. I really don't know what happened, was this some kind of an error, was it based on info previously provided, but she was definitely not sent to quarantine!
Did she provide antibody test documentation?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 14, 2020, 07:26:46 PM
Did she provide antibody test documentation?

They didn't ask for it. She had it ready.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 14, 2020, 07:28:29 PM
So now no need to re-expose yourself?

Unofficially.

Based on the official rules they will want to do their own antibody test. Can't take a risk of it coming too low.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: shulemw on October 14, 2020, 07:51:01 PM
Dont be so afraid of officially needing to be in quarantine.

I came back recently from israel the quarantine in NYC is more strict then israel

NYC called me every day to ask if im quarantined. ..just asked but they did something

in israel nobody called nobody came to check. you don't even need to write a building number where you go. Nothing
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ari3 on October 14, 2020, 08:53:01 PM
Dont be so afraid of officially needing to be in quarantine.

I came back recently from israel the quarantine in NYC is more strict then israel

NYC called me every day to ask if im quarantined. ..just asked but they did something

in israel nobody called nobody came to check. you don't even need to write a building number where you go. Nothing
Someone I know returned to EY before RH. I asked him what he is going to do about quarantine. He told me my phone will quarantine.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 14, 2020, 10:30:58 PM
Someone I know returned to EY before RH. I asked him what he is going to do about quarantine. He told me my phone will quarantine.
What if someone has no Israeli phone.

I know of people who were visited to confirm quarantine.

DW is lucky to have been expressly told that she doesn't need to quarantine. Ignorance is bliss. All of this is especially true given the places she is visiting. She is doing so without fear knowing that she isn't infecting anyone. The quarantine would have been a formality, and a pure nuisance (at best).
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Ergel on October 15, 2020, 01:27:36 PM
Will ask my doctor if they are offering to the hamon am
Still not available via the kupot cholim :(
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ari3 on October 18, 2020, 12:02:28 PM
So Israel will do antibody tests to confirm? Where will that be done?
https://matzav.com/attention-israel-arrivals-antibody-tests-now-accepted-for-quarantine-exemptions/

They list a few places you can get the test.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ari3 on October 18, 2020, 12:07:24 PM
We were told in advance that it would be done at the airport (for a charge). However, as I said, DW walked up to the immigration agent, handed her passport was asked where she was coming from, to which she responded Brooklyn, NY, was asked which flight she's coming off, to which she gave the DL flight information, was asked for the boarding authorization, and was let in. When DW asked about quarantine, she was told she didn't need to. I really don't know what happened, was this some kind of an error, was it based on info previously provided, but she was definitely not sent to quarantine!
Did they give that in writing that she doesn't need to quarantine? I would imagine someone getting busted breaking quarantine and saying "but the officer at the airport told me I don't need to quarantine" without any proof isn't going to fly.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 18, 2020, 12:17:55 PM
Did they give that in writing that she doesn't need to quarantine? I would imagine someone getting busted breaking quarantine and saying "but the officer at the airport told me I don't need to quarantine" without any proof isn't going to fly.
In Israel is usually works the other way. The immigration officer doesn't allow people in before they register on MoH website as being subject to quarantine.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ari3 on October 18, 2020, 12:28:28 PM
In Israel is usually works the other way. The immigration officer doesn't allow people in before they register on MoH website as being subject to quarantine.
I was under the impression you fill out the quarantine form before you leave and everyone coming from a red country is subject to quarantine till they get their negative test. (I have a relative going who has a positive antibody test with a negative covid test and am trying to understand the process).
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 18, 2020, 01:27:42 PM
I was under the impression you fill out the quarantine form before you leave and everyone coming from a red country is subject to quarantine till they get their negative test. (I have a relative going who has a positive antibody test with a negative covid test and am trying to understand the process).
That's the way it should work.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 19, 2020, 03:54:16 AM
Somewhat related to this thread, possibly more so to "would you fly now" or "when will air travel resume" threads, but I'm not up to searching for them now, and I'm no @TimT

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-19/iata-working-with-who-and-civil-aviation-body-on-testing-regime?srnd=premium
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 19, 2020, 06:54:48 AM
The Israeli government announced today that  the Health Ministry list of people in quarantine will be synced with the border control to stop anybody in quarantine from leaving Israel.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: tavster on October 19, 2020, 07:01:48 AM
The Israeli government announced today that  the Health Ministry list of people in quarantine will be synced with the border control to stop anybody in quarantine from leaving Israel.
It was about time
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 19, 2020, 08:02:01 AM
The Israeli government announced today that  the Health Ministry list of people in quarantine will be synced with the border control to stop anybody in quarantine from leaving Israel.

Is there any way to check the list?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 19, 2020, 08:28:31 AM
It was about time
I would be surprised if it works as advertised. I bet the border officers would need to cross reference the quarantine list manually
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: flyingace on October 19, 2020, 08:30:46 AM
I would be surprised if it works as advertised. I bet the border officers would need to cross reference the quarantine list manually
Does anyone know if this is only for Israeli citizens  or will include those entering the country?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: flyingace on October 19, 2020, 09:36:59 AM
Another question:
Does anyone know how to apply for an ishur for business related reasons?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 19, 2020, 09:44:21 AM
Another question:
Does anyone know how to apply for an ishur for business related reasons?
Local consulate
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 19, 2020, 09:44:53 AM
Is there any way to check the list?
I guess you can call them (use the pretense of asking when quarantine is over)
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 19, 2020, 12:18:42 PM
I guess you can call them (use the pretense of asking when quarantine is over)

א שאלה איז טרף

My source in EY just sent me a voicenote saying that the implementation of the procedure to allow exit from isolation based on antibody tests has been postponed by two weeks. I haven't yet seen anything written.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Ergel on October 19, 2020, 01:11:58 PM
א שאלה איז טרף

My source in EY just sent me a voicenote saying that the implementation of the procedure to allow exit from isolation based on antibody tests has been postponed by two weeks. I haven't yet seen anything written.
Interesting...the seminary my wife works in said the girls who have antibodies are not patur from bidud, only the girls who tested positive. I guess that's based on the above
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: avromie7 on October 19, 2020, 01:27:29 PM
Dont be so afraid of officially needing to be in quarantine.

I came back recently from israel the quarantine in NYC is more strict then israel

NYC called me every day to ask if im quarantined. ..just asked but they did something

in israel nobody called nobody came to check. you don't even need to write a building number where you go. Nothing
In NY if you don't fill out any papers they don't know you need to quarantine. In Israel people were caught, including someone who left his phone but they tracked his rav kav.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: shulemw on October 20, 2020, 09:03:18 AM
I did not fill out any papers when arrived to NY and they still called me vs. israel that I filled out detailed papers and nobody called
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: IsraelDeals on October 20, 2020, 09:10:41 AM
So officially, if you have an anti-body test, you can skip quarantine (even form a red country), but otherwise, they may or may not check on you during your quarantine. If you decide not to keep it... then don't bring your phone along as they can triangulate the location.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Dawie on October 20, 2020, 09:37:55 AM
2 points for Bachurim travelling
Instructions for Ishur not clear
Lines of people waiting to get on planes missing crucial documents, very frustrating
Besides the Ishur, you need to fill out and Entry Clearance and an Isolation Report
The instructions for the Ishur only mention the Isolation report....

In Israel the authorities are telling the Bachurim there is no testing for antibodies to shorten the Bidud and no such facilities in the airport... there clearly is... they said it's meant for them
a couple guys did try it and the clinic said they will call them in 4 days to tell them if they can shorten quarantine (dont wait by the phone?) also they may have had the positive and negative test

Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 20, 2020, 09:38:50 AM
So officially, if you have an anti-body test, you can skip quarantine (even form a red country), but otherwise, they may or may not check on you during your quarantine. If you decide not to keep it... then don't bring your phone along as they can triangulate the location.

How are they going to triangulate a phone they have no information about (put GV phone number on the form)?
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on October 20, 2020, 10:07:42 AM
Somewhat related to this thread, possibly more so to "would you fly now" or "when will air travel resume" threads, but I'm not up to searching for them now, and I'm no @TimT

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-19/iata-working-with-who-and-civil-aviation-body-on-testing-regime?srnd=premium
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=116922.0

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=115725.0
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Kobe Bryant on October 20, 2020, 10:11:39 AM
https://chaimvchessed.com/antibody-tests-now-accepted-for-quarantine-exemptions/

https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/featured/1911652/new-israel-changes-rules-for-those-arriving-antibodies-exemptions-suspended.html
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 20, 2020, 11:16:04 AM
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/featured/1911652/new-israel-changes-rules-for-those-arriving-antibodies-exemptions-suspended.html

As I wrote.
My source in EY just sent me a voicenote saying that the implementation of the procedure to allow exit from isolation based on antibody tests has been postponed by two weeks. I haven't yet seen anything written.

Seemingly the reasons are bureaucratic/financial with disagreement over who will get the contract for the testing, logistics, etc. So the process is valid, but there's no practical implementation (though Chaim V'Chesed write that Health Ministry told them that one can go out of quarantine to have the test done, as long as not in a hospital setting). DW, realizing that her being told she doesn't need to quarantine might have been inaccurate went to Hadassah Medical to have it done. Despite being told that an appointment is reqired, they see people on a first come first served basis even without an appointment, so she had a long wait. They said results within 24 hours.
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: ExGingi on October 20, 2020, 11:45:25 AM
And here it is in writing.

(https://i.imgur.com/NdOXsll.png)
אנטיסמיטן!
Title: Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
Post by: Jack out of the box on October 21, 2020, 08:04:27 PM
As I wrote.
Seemingly the reasons are bureaucratic/financial with disagreement over who will get the contract for the testing, logistics, etc. So the process is valid, but there's no practical implementation (though Chaim V'Chesed write that Health Ministry told them that one can go out of quarantine to have the test done, as long as not in a hospital setting). DW, realizing that her being told she doesn't need to quarantine might have been inaccurate went to Hadassah Medical to have it done. Despite being told that an appointment is reqired, they see people on a first come first served basis even without an appointment, so she had a long wait. They said results within 24 hours.
Covid tests here are only PCR and the system is run only by MADA. There is a low-cost, highly accurate, instant test invented in Israel but it's not being used in Israel - it's being tested in European airports. I often wonder why here there is only one option but for some strange reason my mind always wanders towards "politics".