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Title: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Kobe Bryant on May 26, 2020, 04:04:50 PM
This is heartbreaking.
Will this lead to a national conversation about police brutality?
The video is too graphic to watch!

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/05/26/george-floyd-man-dies-after-being-arrested-by-minneapolis-police-fbi-called-to-investigate/amp/&ved=2ahUKEwih04rLp9LpAhXGg-AKHZw3B5IQ0PADegQIBhAH&usg=AOvVaw0V3OOgFOE2KNHiBQRBnT3o&ampcf=1
Title: Re: Goerge floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: KSMH on May 26, 2020, 04:45:18 PM
This is heartbreaking.
Will this lead to a national conversation about police brutality?
The video is too graphic to watch!

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/05/26/george-floyd-man-dies-after-being-arrested-by-minneapolis-police-fbi-called-to-investigate/amp/&ved=2ahUKEwih04rLp9LpAhXGg-AKHZw3B5IQ0PADegQIBhAH&usg=AOvVaw0V3OOgFOE2KNHiBQRBnT3o&ampcf=1
@CountValentine  can we get ur take?
Title: Re: Goerge floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: JMHO on May 26, 2020, 04:52:56 PM
Terrible... :'(
Title: Re: Goerge floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Kobe Bryant on May 26, 2020, 05:25:41 PM
It is hard to comprehend.
Title: Re: Goerge floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Dan on May 26, 2020, 05:33:49 PM
Vile. Lock 'em up and throw away the keys.
Title: Re: Goerge floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: whYME on May 26, 2020, 05:41:43 PM
Will this lead to a national conversation about police brutality?
After watching a clip of the mayor? at his press conference making it all about race, probably not.
Title: Re: Goerge floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: CountValentine on May 26, 2020, 06:20:25 PM
@CountValentine  can we get ur take?
Why you need my take? Watch the video.
Title: Re: Goerge floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Kobe Bryant on May 26, 2020, 06:37:08 PM
Why you need my take? Watch the video.
Most people can't stomach watching it.
Title: Re: Goerge floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: CountValentine on May 26, 2020, 06:40:31 PM
Most people can't stomach watching it.
He had no problem watching a black man getting hunted and murdered with a shotgun.
Title: Re: Goerge floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: shaulyaakov on May 26, 2020, 06:59:21 PM
After watching a clip of the mayor? at his press conference making it all about race, probably not.
Police brutality is clearly linked to race.
Title: Re: Goerge floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Jellybelly on May 26, 2020, 07:02:03 PM
The clip I saw was around 5 seconds, is there more to the video? Iím curious what led to it
Title: Re: Goerge floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: CountValentine on May 26, 2020, 07:07:18 PM
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Title: Re: Goerge floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Joel on May 26, 2020, 07:20:58 PM
Did he resist arrest? 
Title: Re: Goerge floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: KSMH on May 26, 2020, 07:45:54 PM
Why you need my take? Watch the video.
I wanted to agree with you on this.
He had no problem watching a black man getting hunted and murdered with a shotgun.
That's way less graphic then this, that's a far out blurry shot were no actual distress can be seen on someone's face.

This is way more graphic.
Title: Re: Goerge floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: KSMH on May 26, 2020, 07:47:01 PM
Did he resist arrest?
The cop said he did, but still no reason to do what he did, even if he gets told 100x a day "I cant breathe", every time it should be taken seriously.
Title: Re: Goerge floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Joel on May 26, 2020, 07:54:48 PM
The cop said he did, but still no reason to do what he did, even if he gets told 100x a day "I cant breathe", every time it should be taken seriously.
Not saying what he did was right. just wondering what occurred prior the video
Title: Re: Goerge floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: KSMH on May 26, 2020, 08:49:57 PM
Not saying what he did was right. just wondering what occurred prior the video
We all wonder, there is a video from store, only a small portion was up on Twitter.
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Post by: lubaby on May 26, 2020, 08:55:02 PM
Crazy world we live in :(

Can a Mod please fix the thread title to the correctly spelled name?
Title: Re: Goerge floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: S209 on May 26, 2020, 10:43:57 PM
This is heartbreaking.
Will this lead to a national conversation about police brutality?
The video is too graphic to watch!

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/05/26/george-floyd-man-dies-after-being-arrested-by-minneapolis-police-fbi-called-to-investigate/amp/&ved=2ahUKEwih04rLp9LpAhXGg-AKHZw3B5IQ0PADegQIBhAH&usg=AOvVaw0V3OOgFOE2KNHiBQRBnT3o&ampcf=1
Unbelievable. :'(
Title: Re: Goerge floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: CountValentine on May 26, 2020, 10:45:35 PM
Unbelievable. :'(
What part is unbelievable? This happens all the time. We only hear about it when someone dies.
Title: Re: Goerge floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Jellybelly on May 26, 2020, 10:48:22 PM
What part is unbelievable? This happens all the time. We only hear about it when someone dies.
All the time?
Title: Re: Goerge floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Jellybelly on May 26, 2020, 10:50:28 PM
We all wonder, there is a video from store, only a small portion was up on Twitter.
any more details?
Title: Re: Goerge floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: KSMH on May 26, 2020, 10:56:02 PM
What part is unbelievable? This happens all the time. We only hear about it when someone dies.

+1
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: pomy100 on May 26, 2020, 11:44:06 PM
Wow thatís freaky
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Ergel on May 27, 2020, 08:01:45 AM
I want to throw up. Had to turn it off
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: ExGingi on May 27, 2020, 08:31:40 AM
There's an extremely small difference in personalities between those that join the police and those that join the ranks of violent criminals.

I didn't watch, but I heard about it. We are a country of laws, so this needs to go through the legal system, but there's some serious soul searching that needs to be done about police recruitment and training.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: yesitsme on May 27, 2020, 08:32:35 AM
There's an extremely small difference in personalities between those that join the police and those that join the ranks of violent criminals.
Lights?
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Jellybelly on May 27, 2020, 08:59:55 AM
There's an extremely small difference in personalities between those that join the police and those that join the ranks of violent criminals.

I didn't watch, but I heard about it. We are a country of laws, so this needs to go through the legal system, but there's some serious soul searching that needs to be done about police recruitment and training.
Whoa whoa whoa
Can we wait for details to come out? The end result definitely should not have happened, but it doesnít mean that mr Floyd didnít escalate it. Maybe the officers life was in danger 30 seconds before? In that case it would be understandable ( but not necessarily right)  that he wouldnít wanna to let up at all, as from the few seconds that I watched it seems like the officer was much smaller
But I donít know any details and I assume that the officer is wrong and deserves to be fired
But that doesnít mean that we need to overhaul the entire system, it means there are some bad apples
i think posts like yours are what causes water to be thrown at the police, the mentality that the police is out to get certain people is disastrous and makes the situation a million times worse
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Lurker on May 27, 2020, 09:04:15 AM
Lights?

Badges
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Yehuda57 on May 27, 2020, 09:07:47 AM
Whoa whoa whoa
Can we wait for details to come out? The end result definitely should not have happened, but it doesnít mean that mr Floyd didnít escalate it. Maybe the officers life was in danger 30 seconds before? In that case it would be understandable ( but not necessarily right)  that he wouldnít wanna to let up at all, as from the few seconds that I watched it seems like the officer was much smaller
But I donít know any details and I assume that the officer is wrong and deserves to be fired
But that doesnít mean that we need to overhaul the entire system, it means there are some bad apples
i think posts like yours are what causes water to be thrown at the police, the mentality that the police is out to get certain people is disastrous and makes the situation a million times worse
How many bad apples do you need to grow before you give up farming?
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: ExGingi on May 27, 2020, 09:11:15 AM
the mentality that the police is out to get certain people is disastrous and makes the situation a million times worse

I never said anything of the sort.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Jellybelly on May 27, 2020, 09:11:20 AM
How many bad apples do you need to grow before you give up farming?
I donít know numbers, enlighten me please
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Jellybelly on May 27, 2020, 09:13:54 AM
I never said anything of the sort.
From your post, it seemed like you put all police in the same boat as having similar personalities as criminals.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: ExGingi on May 27, 2020, 10:10:26 AM
From your post, it seemed like you put all police in the same boat as having similar personalities as criminals.
That is much closer to what I wrote. I didn't say that police are "out to get certain people" (nor do I think most criminals target "certain people") it's indiscriminate towards the most convenient target at the moment.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: aygart on May 27, 2020, 10:10:37 AM
There's an extremely small difference in personalities between those that join the police and those that join the ranks of violent criminals.

I didn't watch, but I heard about it. We are a country of laws, so this needs to go through the legal system, but there's some serious soul searching that needs to be done about police recruitment and training.

האי מאן דבמאדים יהי גבר אשיד דמא א"ר אשי אי אומנא אי גנבא אי טבחא אי מוהלא אמר רבה אנא במאדים הואי אמר אביי מר נמי עניש וקטיל
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: ExGingi on May 27, 2020, 10:14:58 AM
האי מאן דבמאדים יהי גבר אשיד דמא א"ר אשי אי אומנא אי גנבא אי טבחא אי מוהלא אמר רבה אנא במאדים הואי אמר אביי מר נמי עניש וקטיל
You beat me to it. I was just looking up the quote in order to bring it here.

שבת קנו ע״א. It's probably worthwhile to read the entire portion, not only מזל מאדים. Certain personality traits can manifest in different ways.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: aygart on May 27, 2020, 10:18:50 AM
You beat me to it. I was just looking up the quote in order to bring it here.

שבת קנו ע״א. It's probably worthwhile to read the entire portion, not only מזל מאדים. Certain personality traits can manifest in different ways.
I was pointing out the last four words which I bolded which is literally the exact point you were making about police.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: pointer on May 27, 2020, 11:47:39 AM
Whoa whoa whoa
Can we wait for details to come out? The end result definitely should not have happened, but it doesnít mean that mr Floyd didnít escalate it. Maybe the officers life was in danger 30 seconds before? In that case it would be understandable ( but not necessarily right)  that he wouldnít wanna to let up at all, as from the few seconds that I watched it seems like the officer was much smaller
But I donít know any details and I assume that the officer is wrong and deserves to be fired

Huh?! fired?!
Somebody murdering someone in cold blood deserves a bit more I think.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: ExGingi on May 27, 2020, 12:01:13 PM
Huh?! fired?!
Somebody murdering someone in cold blood deserves a bit more I think.

חסורי מחסרא והכי קתני

"the officer is wrong and deserves to be fired at."

(not saying this is my opinion. as I said above this needs to go through the legal system. But until then the officer should be assigned to the most menial desk duties at most, or put in a jail cell pending trial.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: shapsam on May 27, 2020, 12:42:13 PM
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Post by: aygart on May 27, 2020, 03:23:15 PM
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: ExGingi on May 27, 2020, 05:15:47 PM
Am I the only one that gets irked by the phrase "get justice for the Floyd Family" or "get justice for George Floyd"?

What do the people saying this have in mind? How is does one get justice in such a case. Will the police officer scum who did this have to go in front of them every day of their lives and say "I murdered George Floyd and I seek your forgiveness"?

What is justice in such a case?

How about the officer scum that stood by? How is justice served by him?

These are two individuals whose lives WERE NOT IN ANY DANGER who murdered a defenseless person!!!!

And this is just a few short years after Eric Garner!
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: aygart on May 27, 2020, 05:29:57 PM
Am I the only one that gets irked by the phrase "get justice for the Floyd Family" or "get justice for George Floyd"?

What do the people saying this have in mind? How is does one get justice in such a case. Will the police officer scum who did this have to go in front of them every day of their lives and say "I murdered George Floyd and I seek your forgiveness"?

What is justice in such a case?

How about the officer scum that stood by? How is justice served by him?

These are two individuals whose lives WERE NOT IN ANY DANGER who murdered a defenseless person!!!!

And this is just a few short years after Eric Garner!

This should apply here too.

Yes and all you have to do is a simple google search.
Why do you think both father and son where charged with murder when only one of them pulled the trigger. This is the same reason this guy was charged with murder. GIYF!

ETA:Three people are robbing a store. One of you shoots and kills the store owner. All three will be charged with murder.
Murder 101.   :)
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: shapsam on May 27, 2020, 05:51:14 PM
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: whYME on May 27, 2020, 06:05:41 PM

Um what are missing here, where's the part where the cops are doing something horribly wrong?
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Post by: Willie on May 27, 2020, 06:11:48 PM
Um what are missing here, where's the part where the cops are doing something horribly wrong?

You can see the full video here. Obviously this isnt included in the other video.

https://www.cbs7.com/content/news/VIDEO-City-of-Midland-releases-body-camera-footage-from-Tye-Anders-arrest-570713481.html

Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Jellybelly on May 27, 2020, 07:19:24 PM
Am I the only one that gets irked by the phrase "get justice for the Floyd Family" or "get justice for George Floyd"?

What do the people saying this have in mind? How is does one get justice in such a case. Will the police officer scum who did this have to go in front of them every day of their lives and say "I murdered George Floyd and I seek your forgiveness"?

What is justice in such a case?

How about the officer scum that stood by? How is justice served by him?

These are two individuals whose lives WERE NOT IN ANY DANGER who murdered a defenseless person!!!!

And this is just a few short years after Eric Garner!
Is it a fact that their lives were not in danger?
Asking because I donít know the facts
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: ExGingi on May 27, 2020, 07:21:45 PM
Is it a fact that their lives were not in danger?
Asking because I donít know the facts
How could their lives be in danger from him when he's laying on the floor handcuffed?
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: pointer on May 27, 2020, 07:23:22 PM
Is it a fact that their lives were not in danger?
Asking because I donít know the facts
Yes it is, didn't you watch the video? That poor guy was half dead already but it continued to crush his neck.

I don't care if 10 min. earlier he was riding around in a tank with heat seeking missiles on it.
They killed a man that posed absolutely no danger to them.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Jellybelly on May 27, 2020, 07:31:05 PM
How could their lives be in danger from him when he's laying on the floor handcuffed?

You can do a lot of damage while still in cuffs!
But @pointer is saying that he was half dead, so then I agree that he should have let up
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: stooges44 on May 27, 2020, 07:35:28 PM
Yes it is, didn't you watch the video? That poor guy was half dead already but he continued to crush his neck.

I don't care if 10 min. earlier he was riding around in a tank with heat seeking missiles on it.
They killed a man that posed absolutely no danger to them.

Truly the most horrifying thing I've seen in a very, very long time. This was worse then when I watched a beheading years ago because it was al qaeda doing it and you know they are animals, here it was a cop that's supposed to be looking out for your best interests. The fact that he didn't even flinch when the poor guy stopped responding and only pulled out his mace when he felt threatened by the bystanders is all the more disgusting.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Jellybelly on May 27, 2020, 07:39:42 PM
I wonder how bad the riots will be when itís coming after 2 months of quarantine,
 unfortunately I think itíll be deadly
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: ExGingi on May 27, 2020, 08:00:34 PM
Yes it is, didn't you watch the video? That poor guy was half dead already but it continued to crush his neck.

I don't care if 10 min. earlier he was riding around in a tank with heat seeking missiles on it.
They killed a man that posed absolutely no danger to them.

This cannot stop at the black community. This entire country should be outraged at this. Has the POTUS weighed in? I haven't seen anything yet.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: ExGingi on May 27, 2020, 08:02:10 PM

You can do a lot of damage while still in cuffs!
But @pointer is saying that he was half dead, so then I agree that he should have let up

If there's any bodycam footage it should be released promptly.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: chff on May 27, 2020, 08:08:35 PM
Here the 4 cops were promptly fired while the cop from Eric Garner was only fired 5 years later
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Jellybelly on May 27, 2020, 08:09:25 PM
This cannot stop at the black community. This entire country should be outraged at this. Has the POTUS weighed in? I haven't seen anything yet.
He has, said itís a sad day and is expecting to get a report on it tomorrow
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: pointer on May 27, 2020, 08:38:02 PM

You can do a lot of damage while still in cuffs!
Damage that would put the pigs life in danger? wut?!
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: stooges44 on May 27, 2020, 08:40:26 PM
I wonder how bad the riots will be when itís coming after 2 months of quarantine,
 unfortunately I think itíll be deadly

https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/05/27/protesters-gather-where-george-floyd-was-killed-as-well-as-mpd-3rd-precinct-oakdale-home/
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: aygart on May 27, 2020, 08:47:42 PM
https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/05/27/protesters-gather-where-george-floyd-was-killed-as-well-as-mpd-3rd-precinct-oakdale-home/
When they start looting they undermine their position
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: pointer on May 27, 2020, 08:48:00 PM
That poor guy was half dead already but it continued to crush his neck.


That poor guy was half dead already but he continued to crush his neck.

Truly the most horrifying thing I've seen in a very, very long time. This was worse then when I watched a beheading years ago because it was al qaeda doing it and you know they are animals, here it was a cop that's supposed to be looking out for your best interests. The fact that he didn't even flinch when the poor guy stopped responding and only pulled out his mace when he felt threatened by the bystanders is all the more disgusting.
I do not approve of your edit.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Kobe Bryant on May 27, 2020, 08:48:32 PM
This cannot stop at the black community. This entire country should be outraged at this. Has the POTUS weighed in? I haven't seen anything yet.
Everyone I know who is familiar with this case, is beyond outraged.
The facts will come out in due time.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Kobe Bryant on May 27, 2020, 08:49:50 PM
I wonder how bad the riots will be when itís coming after 2 months of quarantine,
 unfortunately I think itíll be deadly
It is underway, and counterproductive.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: whYME on May 27, 2020, 08:56:05 PM
This cannot stop at the black community. This entire country should be outraged at this.
It depends what "this" is.

Of course what happened here is absolutely outrageous and indefensible. And it highlights problems that need to be addressed, such as police brutality and them protecting each other no matter what.

But when the narrative becomes about how the big danger facing the average black man in America is being killed by the police for no reason, that's not something I'm willing to get behind. Not to mention the rioting and looting. You're really getting justice for Floyd here by walking out of Target with 5 TVs  ::)
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Post by: Jellybelly on May 27, 2020, 08:58:56 PM
Damage that would put the pigs life in danger? wut?!
Yup
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: ExGingi on May 27, 2020, 09:04:12 PM
It depends what "this" is.

Of course what happened here is absolutely outrageous and indefensible. And it highlights problems that need to be addressed, such as police brutality and them protecting each other no matter what.

This.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Yehuda57 on May 27, 2020, 09:06:52 PM

You can do a lot of damage while still in cuffs!


Even if he wasn't in cuffs, even if he was attacking the cop, they are trained specifically not to use the neck precisely because it can kill.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: ExGingi on May 27, 2020, 09:10:11 PM
Even if he wasn't in cuffs, even if he was attacking the cop, they are trained specifically not to use the neck precisely because it can kill.

They are?
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: whYME on May 27, 2020, 09:10:57 PM
This.

After watching a clip of the mayor at his press conference making it all about race, probably not.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Yehuda57 on May 27, 2020, 09:13:20 PM
They are?
Yes, we went through this with Eric Garner
Unless the cop's life is in danger, in which case any lethal force is allowed. But even then, the methods of subduing a suspect that are taught don't include suffocation.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: ExGingi on May 27, 2020, 09:15:57 PM
Yes, we went through this with Eric Garner
Unless the cop's life is in danger, in which case any lethal force is allowed. But even then, the methods of subduing a suspect that are taught don't include suffocation.

Well, if they are trained as such and still do it, the entire training (or more accurately - screening) is questionable.

In my line of business, there's ethics training and oversight. But the bottom line is that there are certain things that are either part of you, or they aren't.

Robust and extensive screening of personality and character is probably the most important thing missing. It seems like jurors are disqualified faster than people are rejected from the ranks of law enforcement in this country.
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Post by: Yehuda57 on May 27, 2020, 09:16:41 PM
Well, if they are trained as such and still do it, the entire training is questionable.

Indeed.
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Post by: CountValentine on May 27, 2020, 09:18:35 PM
I am shocked that so many here are shocked at what they seen.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: ExGingi on May 27, 2020, 09:26:11 PM
I am shocked that so many here are shocked at what they seen.

Why?
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Kobe Bryant on May 27, 2020, 09:29:16 PM
Of course what happened here is absolutely outrageous and indefensible. And it highlights problems that need to be addressed, such as police brutality and them protecting each other no matter what.

But when the narrative becomes about how the big danger facing the average black man in America is being killed by the police for no reason, that's not something I'm willing to get behind. Not to mention the rioting and looting. You're really getting justice for Floyd here by walking out of Target with 5 TVs  ::)
Well said.
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Post by: shapsam on May 27, 2020, 10:01:15 PM
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: ExGingi on May 27, 2020, 11:14:05 PM
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1215691
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: aygart on May 27, 2020, 11:31:27 PM
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1215691
The security video there shows nothing that I could imagine leading to the officer's violence.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: ROYA on May 28, 2020, 12:03:02 AM
Have been staying out of the news so didn't see this till now. CAN'T SLEEP! This guy needs to be held responsible. It may be time for a policy similar to when a male cop is not allowed to frisk a female suspect. It may sound crazy but for the 1 in every 99 cops that are bad we can't take the chance. White people suffer from bad cops also but stories like this where a man was murdered is (no words).
Suggested policy: A white cop can not put his hand on a black man if he is complying with orders. If he is not, then they can try to hold him down safely. Once in cuffs they can't touch him until a black officer is present. This sounds crazy and it is probably not the answer but something has to be done. Proper training is not enough as we have seen time and time again!
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: yaakov35 on May 28, 2020, 12:30:31 AM
It depends what "this" is.

Of course what happened here is absolutely outrageous and indefensible. And it highlights problems that need to be addressed, such as police brutality and them protecting each other no matter what.

But when the narrative becomes about how the big danger facing the average black man in America is being killed by the police for no reason, that's not something I'm willing to get behind. Not to mention the rioting and looting. You're really getting justice for Floyd here by walking out of Target with 5 TVs  ::)
+1, and BLM is just a terrorist organization. Its really terrible that this happened, but to say that in general the average black person has less privilege then a white person is just crazy. I work with a few black guys and they all same the same thing. These guys that keep getting into trouble just want to complain. If they wanted to they can go to college and get a job. Society is not stopping them and putting them at a disadvantage
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: yesitsme on May 28, 2020, 12:42:55 AM
+1, and BLM is just a terrorist organization. Its really terrible that this happened, but to say that in general the average black person has less privilege then a white person is just crazy. I work with a few black guys and they all same the same thing. These guys that keep getting into trouble just want to complain. If they wanted to they can go to college and get a job. Society is not stopping them and putting them at a disadvantage
gotta listen to Ben Shapiro on this topic
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: yaakov35 on May 28, 2020, 01:44:38 AM
gotta listen to Ben Shapiro on this topic
Lol I can't stand his whiney voice. But in any case just looking at the videos online of the riots and looting, how can anyone feel bad for them?
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: ah giten on May 28, 2020, 01:57:36 AM
how can anyone feel bad for them?
umm you might not want to write this.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: B.D.Da'ehu on May 28, 2020, 02:51:30 AM
Am I noticing a trend here?


The same DDF'ers who were on a certain side of the Covid-severity/minyan debate are now expressing a little less sympathy than others in regard to this story and others similar to it...


Hope I'm wrong and this is merely some pre-existing notion in my head🤷‍♂️
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: PlatinumGuy on May 28, 2020, 05:09:25 AM
Lol I can't stand his whiney voice. But in any case just looking at the videos online of the riots and looting, how can anyone feel bad for them?
That's what Hitler said about me.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Joeymc on May 28, 2020, 07:21:45 AM
This is quite amazing

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Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: yaakov35 on May 28, 2020, 08:39:46 AM
That's what Hitler said about me.
Interesting. How did I not know that we ran around burning down stores, looting 10's of thousands from store amd rioting. Gr8 analogy
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Jellybelly on May 28, 2020, 08:47:53 AM
Interesting. How did I not know that we ran around burning down stores, looting 10's of thousands from store amd rioting. Gr8 analogy
Oh, I also wasnít sure what hitler had to do with anything.
 I just assumed that hitler didnít like whiney voices
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Kobe Bryant on May 28, 2020, 09:00:23 AM
Didn't take very long for Godwin's law to apply.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Kobe Bryant on May 28, 2020, 09:41:19 AM
I wonder how bad the riots will be when itís coming after 2 months of quarantine,
 unfortunately I think itíll be deadly
Unfortunately it already turned deadly.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: CountValentine on May 28, 2020, 10:33:25 AM
I work with a few black guys and they all same the same thing. These guys that keep getting into trouble just want to complain. If they wanted to they can go to college and get a job. Society is not stopping them and putting them at a disadvantage
I worked with a few Jews and they all said the same thing. These religious Jews ruined it for all of us. That is why everyone hates us.  ::)
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: CountValentine on May 28, 2020, 10:34:12 AM
Am I noticing a trend here?


The same DDF'ers who were on a certain side of the Covid-severity/minyan debate are now expressing a little less sympathy than others in regard to this story and others similar to it...


Hope I'm wrong and this is merely some pre-existing notion in my head🤷‍♂️
You are not wrong and we can make the list a lot longer.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Jellybelly on May 28, 2020, 10:36:09 AM
I worked with a few Jews and they all said the same thing. These religious Jews ruined it for all of us. That is why everyone hates us.  ::)
With Jew or for Jews?
😜
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: pointer on May 28, 2020, 10:41:20 AM
I am shocked that so many here are shocked at what they seen.
Any decent human being will be shocked and outraged when witnessing a clear wrongdoing, It's when you start talking about motive that it turns debatable.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: ExGingi on May 28, 2020, 10:46:26 AM
You are not wrong and we can make the list a lot longer.

Which side am I on?
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Jellybelly on May 28, 2020, 10:54:35 AM
Any decent human being will be shocked and outraged when witnessing a clear wrongdoing, It's when you start talking about motive that it turns debatable.
Agreed,
 and any decent human being should be the same shocked and outraged at the rioting
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: CountValentine on May 28, 2020, 10:55:37 AM
Which side am I on?
Have not seen you in many of the covid threads so not enough info.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: ExGingi on May 28, 2020, 11:11:12 AM
Have not seen you in many of the covid threads so not enough info.

You didn't see me in the shul thread? Maybe because you've been absent.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: S209 on May 28, 2020, 11:19:40 AM
Which side am I on?
Youíre too self aware for your own good
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: yaakov35 on May 28, 2020, 12:30:17 PM
I worked with a few Jews and they all said the same thing. These religious Jews ruined it for all of us. That is why everyone hates us.  ::)
Lol, and I don't think they would be wrong
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: yaakov35 on May 28, 2020, 12:32:48 PM
Any decent human being will be shocked and outraged when witnessing a clear wrongdoing, It's when you start talking about motive that it turns debatable.
100% I don't think I saw anyone here trying to justify it. Its really terrible that this happened and the cops involved need to be held accountable. But to say its a part of a bigger picture that every black person faces the risk of being shot every time they walk outside is absurd.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: aygart on May 28, 2020, 12:36:47 PM
100% I don't think I saw anyone here trying to justify it. Its really terrible that this happened and the cops involved need to be held accountable. But to say its a part of a bigger picture that every black person faces the risk of being shot every time they walk outside is absurd.

Would you feel it to be unreasonable when a black feels that he is at risk of being killed over any minor interaction with police?
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: CountValentine on May 28, 2020, 12:37:33 PM
But to say its a part of a bigger picture that every black person faces the risk of being shot every time they walk outside is absurd.
Who said this?
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Jellybelly on May 28, 2020, 12:38:57 PM
Would you feel it to be unreasonable when a black feels that he is at risk of being killed over any minor interaction with police?
Can we differentiate between where the person resists arrest and  when the person complies?
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: CountValentine on May 28, 2020, 12:45:28 PM
Can we differentiate between where the person resists arrest and  when the person complies?
So when they comply they only get tased.  ::)
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: aygart on May 28, 2020, 12:51:54 PM
Can we differentiate between where the person resists arrest and  when the person complies?

No.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/new-video-shows-george-floyd-cooperating-with-officers-during-arrest/

Definitely not with their feelings about it.

What are you calling "resisting" anyhow?
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: yos9694 on May 28, 2020, 01:17:00 PM
But in any case just looking at the videos online of the riots and looting, how can anyone feel bad for them?

We hissed at that type of reaction when jersey city happened and should be the furthest ones away from saying similar things in a case like this one.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: CountValentine on May 28, 2020, 01:23:28 PM
But in any case just looking at the videos online of the riots and looting, how can anyone feel bad for them?
umm you might not want to write this.
Lets use @yaakov35 logic. So when someone seen large groups of Jews gathering in defiance of SD orders that is reason not to feel bad for "them"?
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Mordyk on May 28, 2020, 01:27:17 PM
Why is it that every time there are riots the Targets and foot lockers get looted.  Obviously they are justifying robbing the stores that have the stuff they really want yet can't afford.  Nothing to do with justice here.  Simple looting for the sake of stealing.

I hope justice is served in this case.  But all looters should be locked up.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: CountValentine on May 28, 2020, 01:29:02 PM
Simple looting for the sake of stealing.
Exactly and we shouldn't confuse the two issues.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: ExGingi on May 28, 2020, 01:48:08 PM
No.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/new-video-shows-george-floyd-cooperating-with-officers-during-arrest/

Definitely not with their feelings about it.

What are you calling "resisting" anyhow?

Not only was he cooperating, but he also appears to be drunk (or otherwise intoxicated) to the point where he's not likely to put up any substantial resistance or fight.

There's absolutely no excuse whatsoever to the execution of George Floyd.

I keep on stopping myself from writing "cold-blooded", because I cannot fathom this being done in a "cold-blooded" way. For all I know this murderer might have had a bad day, a domestic dispute, or something else that made him lose his cool and act in this barbaric manner of killing a defenseless person while wearing an official government-issued uniform.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: ROYA on May 28, 2020, 02:50:38 PM
Exactly and we shouldn't confuse the two issues.
+1 Two wrongs donít make a right. Because people are wrongfully looting and damaging private and public property has nothing to do with the fact that a human being was murdered. Maybe looting can be discussed on another thread.. this was a person that was killed. Not only did he have a family but he had his own life to live. He is not just a reason for a debate. A small amount of sensitivity should do the trick.

Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: ROYA on May 28, 2020, 02:56:53 PM
@CountValentine Please direct me to the thread that explains why you have negative hat tips :)
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: CountValentine on May 28, 2020, 04:02:44 PM
@CountValentine Please direct me to the thread that explains why you have negative hat tips :)
Would be easier for me to just to explain.
My Mom always told me I was special.  ;)
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: yesitsme on May 28, 2020, 05:45:04 PM
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/featured/1865719/mi-kamcha-yisroel-philanthropist-in-detroit-gives-out-thousands-of-bikes-to-children-see-the-footage.html (https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/featured/1865719/mi-kamcha-yisroel-philanthropist-in-detroit-gives-out-thousands-of-bikes-to-children-see-the-footage.html)
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: CountValentine on May 28, 2020, 06:35:12 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-minneapolis-police-officer-who-knelt-on-george-floyds-neck-had-18-previous-complaints-against-him-police-department-says/ar-BB14JiPy?ocid=spartan-ntp-feeds
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Jellybelly on May 28, 2020, 06:50:18 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-minneapolis-police-officer-who-knelt-on-george-floyds-neck-had-18-previous-complaints-against-him-police-department-says/ar-BB14JiPy?ocid=spartan-ntp-feeds
I was kinda expecting that the officer had a history
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Jellybelly on May 28, 2020, 07:18:26 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-minneapolis-police-officer-who-knelt-on-george-floyds-neck-had-18-previous-complaints-against-him-police-department-says/ar-BB14JiPy?ocid=spartan-ntp-feeds
The county attorney says the video is hard to watch but there is evidence to support not charging the cop criminally
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: CountValentine on May 29, 2020, 02:43:16 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/former-mpd-officer-derek-chauvin-in-custody-charged-with-murder-in-george-floyds-death/ar-BB14LZHO?li=BBnb7Kz
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: CountValentine on May 30, 2020, 09:33:40 AM
Whites do care!!!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/viral-photo-shows-line-of-white-people-between-police-black-protesters-at-thursday-rally/ar-BB14Mwnn?ocid=spartan-ntp-feeds
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: whYME on May 31, 2020, 12:00:39 AM
Whites do care!!!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/viral-photo-shows-line-of-white-people-between-police-black-protesters-at-thursday-rally/ar-BB14Mwnn?ocid=spartan-ntp-feeds (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/viral-photo-shows-line-of-white-people-between-police-black-protesters-at-thursday-rally/ar-BB14Mwnn?ocid=spartan-ntp-feeds)
I'm sure the reason the police weren't beating them / arresting them etc here is only because they're white, nothing to do with them standing peacefully and attacking the cops  ::)
I should post some of the videos I've seen of white people "using their privilege" against the NYPD...
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: ExGingi on May 31, 2020, 12:26:07 AM
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Mtrasb on May 31, 2020, 12:36:38 AM
I believe that the worst could have been avoided had there not been protestors egging the cop on.

In general it is advisable to get a point across through diplomacy and tact not through protests. When you highlight someone's wrongdoing in public it brings out a stubborn strain of obstinacy (מדת הנצחנות) that forces them to win the argument despite what their logic or conscience tells them.

I feel that this is the case over here. The cop had to make a statement in front of all the protestors. He had to show the audience who's boss. And that took the life of George Floyd. This ego issue could have been avoided, had the protesters approached the spectacle with tact. Even ignoring it would be a better alternative.

A lesson must be learnt. Approach sensitive situations with caution.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Jellybelly on May 31, 2020, 01:07:36 AM
Iím all for breaking up unions!
That would be a nice outcome from all of this
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Mr_Geek on May 31, 2020, 08:10:29 AM
So, whatís the expectation for this weekend? Is it gonna get more intense or slightly more calmer?
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: ExGingi on May 31, 2020, 10:17:11 AM
Iím all for breaking up unions!
That would be a nice outcome from all of this

Big difference between public unions and private sector unions. IINM this guy (Mish) has been complaining for years about public unions.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: skyguy918 on May 31, 2020, 10:28:39 AM
I believe that the worst could have been avoided had there not been protestors egging the cop on.

In general it is advisable to get a point across through diplomacy and tact not through protests. When you highlight someone's wrongdoing in public it brings out a stubborn strain of obstinacy (מדת הנצחנות) that forces them to win the argument despite what their logic or conscience tells them.

I feel that this is the case over here. The cop had to make a statement in front of all the protestors. He had to show the audience who's boss. And that took the life of George Floyd. This ego issue could have been avoided, had the protesters approached the spectacle with tact. Even ignoring it would be a better alternative.

A lesson must be learnt. Approach sensitive situations with caution.
This is a foolish way to look at it. If bystanders act in a legal manner that causes a certain reaction in a cop, the solution is to not have such cops, or to provide better training so that cops don't react the wrong way.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Jellybelly on May 31, 2020, 01:13:44 PM
Has anyone come out backing the cop yet?
 Is there another side of the story?
I no nothing about law but sometimes they try to overcharge a crime and I guess the strategy is to see what sticks or to scare the defendant, but here it seems like they didnít do that at all, anyone know the logic behind it?
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: aygart on May 31, 2020, 01:16:21 PM
Has anyone come out backing the cop yet?
 Is there another side of the story?
I no nothing about law but sometimes they try to overcharge a crime and I guess the strategy is to see what sticks or to scare the defendant, but here it seems like they didnít do that at all, anyone know the logic behind it?
It seems the medical examiner did not find signs of asphyxiation.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Jellybelly on May 31, 2020, 01:17:00 PM
It seems the medical examiner did not find signs of asphyxiation.
Um... so how did he die?
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: aygart on May 31, 2020, 01:22:21 PM
Um... so how did he die?
Seems that there were other factors. A heart condition may have been involved among other things. This was in the prosecutor's statement. It does not exonerate them at all but can change the different degrees.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: ExGingi on May 31, 2020, 01:28:32 PM
It seems the medical examiner did not find signs of asphyxiation.

Seems that there were other factors. A heart condition may have been involved among other things. This was in the prosecutor's statement. It does not exonerate them at all but can change the different degrees.

So based on the medical examiners findings we should reopen thr entire country promptly, as the mortality rate of COVID-19 should be drastically lowered!
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: aygart on May 31, 2020, 01:31:57 PM
So based on the medical examiners findings we should reopen thr entire country promptly, as the mortality rate of COVID-19 should be drastically lowered!
Huh? I think it is clear that the murder was not premeditated and unprovable that he intended to kill the guy. When there are other factors involved in his death they will all be argued in court. Some could be grounds to just have the charge dismissed outright.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Jellybelly on May 31, 2020, 01:33:03 PM
I heard the cop just committed suicide in jail...
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Mordyk on May 31, 2020, 01:34:55 PM
I heard the cop just committed suicide in jail...
same cell as Epstein?
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: ExGingi on May 31, 2020, 01:38:55 PM
I heard the cop just committed suicide in jail...

I was going to ask how long out of the 25 year maximum would he end up serving before the inmates give him their version of justice.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Jellybelly on May 31, 2020, 01:40:33 PM
same cell as Epstein?
Are you saying the cop was part of antifa? He wanted to start riots across the country?
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Mordyk on May 31, 2020, 01:41:34 PM
Are you saying the cop was part of antifa? He wanted to start riots across the country?
oh relax. was just kidding.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: shaulyaakov on May 31, 2020, 01:45:03 PM
I heard the cop just committed suicide in jail...
Just searched. Zero news about this on Google.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Dan on May 31, 2020, 01:50:14 PM
I heard the cop just committed suicide in jail...
Just searched. Zero news about this on Google.
On a scale of 1-10, we rate this a YWN.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Jellybelly on May 31, 2020, 01:52:11 PM
On a scale of 1-10, we rate this a YWN.
Probably not true, I was sent a link but it was deleted
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Luvisrael on May 31, 2020, 02:04:32 PM
I heard the cop just committed suicide in jail...
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/05/31/report-former-officer-charged-in-george-floyds-death-on-suicide-watch/
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: beeweegee on May 31, 2020, 02:24:38 PM
Probably not true, I was sent a link but it was deleted
This is the link, but its not true:

https://w24n.com/minneapolis-police-officer-who-killed-george-floyd-derek-chauvin-commits-suicide-in-prison-cell/
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Jellybelly on May 31, 2020, 02:27:51 PM
This is the link, but its not true:

https://w24n.com/minneapolis-police-officer-who-killed-george-floyd-derek-chauvin-commits-suicide-in-prison-cell/
Yea thatís what I saw
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: ExGingi on May 31, 2020, 02:34:01 PM
Why is this an exception rather than the rule?

Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: EliJelly on May 31, 2020, 03:03:21 PM
I'm a little bit late to the game, but I just watched the clip, what a coldblooded murder!!

Frankly, I'm a little bit shocked of the calmly protesting voices of the bystander's, my immediate instinct was to jump into the screen and push this animal's limb off this hapless man's neck. Which ironically, as a matter of fact, if I was successful with that, and George's life would have been spared, then this would be a non-news, and I would be sentenced to many years in prison for assaulting an officer.


Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: aygart on May 31, 2020, 03:07:19 PM
I would be sentenced to many years in prison for assaulting an officer.



Because you are white.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: whYME on May 31, 2020, 03:28:24 PM
I no nothing about law but sometimes they try to overcharge a crime and I guess the strategy is to see what sticks or to scare the defendant, but here it seems like they didnít do that at all, anyone know the logic behind it?
Probably because if they charge him with murder one he'll be acquitted (if he gets a fair trial) and the riots will start all over again.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: ExGingi on May 31, 2020, 07:28:37 PM
I didn't watch, but I heard about it. We are a country of laws, so this needs to go through the legal system, but there's some serious soul searching that needs to be done about police recruitment and training.

I like the following quotes from https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meet-press-may-31-2020-n1220191

Quote
And so I do believe working collectively, every sheriff, every police chief throughout the nation working together and facing racism and other issues head on to make sure what are they dealing with? Is it a bad mind? A person who should have never been a law enforcement officer in the beginning? Is it a bad heart? Because you certainly have to have the heart for this job. Or is it bad policy? And while I know the federal government does not have direct jurisdiction, I certainly believe that we do have a major role to play in terms of helping law enforcement agencies throughout the nation maybe come up with some standards for hiring and training, especially use of force training.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: ExGingi on May 31, 2020, 07:29:43 PM
Probably because if they charge him with murder one he'll be acquitted (if he gets a fair trial) and the riots will start all over again.

Indeed. Reading the Minnesota statute, Murder of the Third Degree seems just right as a possibly convictable offense.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Kobe Bryant on June 01, 2020, 03:49:57 PM
USAToday: Independent autopsy finds that George Floyd's death "was homicide caused by asphyxia due to neck and back compression that led to a lack of blood flow to the brain."

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/5307185002&ved=2ahUKEwjbj-L4sOHpAhXhct8KHbfMCPwQFjAcegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw2VzfFZ889lr0sfWmOdDTIF&ampcf=1
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: ExGingi on June 01, 2020, 03:59:24 PM
USAToday: Independent autopsy finds that George Floyd's death "was homicide caused by asphyxia due to neck and back compression that led to a lack of blood flow to the brain."

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/5307185002&ved=2ahUKEwjbj-L4sOHpAhXhct8KHbfMCPwQFjAcegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw2VzfFZ889lr0sfWmOdDTIF&ampcf=1

They didn't really need to dissect the guy to come to that conclusion. I could have certified that myself (as could probably anyone with half a brain).

And the Hennepin County Medical Examiner, that wrote that there were "no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation"; however, the combined effects of being pinned down by an officer as well as "his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death" should be investigated by the FBI, and assigned to desk duties until the corruption investigation is fully completed.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: CountValentine on June 01, 2020, 04:05:02 PM
USAToday: Independent autopsy finds that George Floyd's death "was homicide caused by asphyxia due to neck and back compression that led to a lack of blood flow to the brain."
This autopsy was commissioned by the family so independent might not be the right word to use in the title.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Jellybelly on June 01, 2020, 04:06:47 PM
This autopsy was commissioned by the family so independent might not be the right word to use in the title.

Um, im assuming you didnít run this post through party headquarters.
Would you like to take it back?
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Ergel on June 01, 2020, 04:07:15 PM
They didn't really need to dissect the guy to come to that conclusion. I could have certified that myself (as could probably anyone with half a brain).

And the Hennepin County Medical Examiner, that wrote that there were "no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation"; however, the combined effects of being pinned down by an officer as well as "his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death" should be investigated by the FBI, and assigned to desk duties until the corruption investigation is fully completed.
Yup
Just opening this thread makes me sick to my stomach
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: CountValentine on June 01, 2020, 04:11:41 PM
Um, im assuming you didnít run this post through party headquarters.
Would you like to take it back?
The problem is most of you make assumptions about me that are just not true. Try getting out more.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Jellybelly on June 01, 2020, 04:13:44 PM
The problem is most of you make assumptions about me that are just not true. Try getting out more.
You just made my day!!!
itís been a while since  I heard ďyou gotta get out moreĒ
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: ExGingi on June 01, 2020, 04:18:37 PM
The problem is most of you make assumptions about me that are just not true. Try getting out more.

You can dispel all the assumptions with one single post. Just show us proof of how much you contributed to the DJT 2016 election campaign, and how much you contributed to the DJT 2020 re-election campaign.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: CountValentine on June 01, 2020, 04:20:54 PM
You can dispel all the assumptions with one single post. Just show us proof of how much you contributed to the DJT 2016 election campaign, and how much you contributed to the DJT 2020 re-election campaign.
I never contributed to Trumps campaign and never will.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: whYME on June 01, 2020, 04:22:43 PM
I never contributed to Trumps campaign and never will.
Almost every post you make about Trump contributes to his campaign. (https://emoji.tapatalk-cdn.com/emoji13.png)
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Yehuda57 on June 01, 2020, 04:33:38 PM
Possible language and offensive content warning.

 


*Disclaimer: I am very well aware that John Oliver is often on the wrong side of truth and accuracy. I don't think you'd find too many who would argue on the primary thesis of this particular piece though.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: ExGingi on June 01, 2020, 04:34:03 PM
I never contributed to Trumps campaign and never will.

So how can you say that the assumptions aren't true? That's exactly what everyone here has been assuming and basing their posts on.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: CountValentine on June 01, 2020, 04:44:44 PM
So how can you say that the assumptions aren't true? That's exactly what everyone here has been assuming and basing their posts on.
They assume that being anti-Trump means anti this and that. 100% wrong assumption.
That would be like saying if you are pro Trump you are a racist. Also 100% wrong assumption.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: CountValentine on June 01, 2020, 04:48:22 PM
Language and offensive content warning.
FTFY
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: justmeha on June 01, 2020, 05:41:28 PM
Does anybody have a full transcript of the autopsy report?
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Jellybelly on June 01, 2020, 05:47:55 PM
I never contributed to Trumps campaign and never will.
Iím still convinced that @CountValentine is really @Dan, I personally have never seen the 2 together in 1 room 😜
@CountValentine helps keep the forums active, the politics thread were all pretty dead when he was On vacation. Every discussion needs a liberal, to keep things interesting
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: CountValentine on June 01, 2020, 06:15:35 PM
Not good.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/medical-examiner-declares-george-floyd-death-homicide-report/ar-BB14Tvsi?&ocid=spartanntp
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Dan on June 01, 2020, 06:22:37 PM
Iím still convinced that @CountValentine is really @Dan, I personally have never seen the 2 together in 1 room 😜
@CountValentine helps keep the forums active, the politics thread were all pretty dead when he was On vacation. Every discussion needs a liberal, to keep things interesting
Never been to an ORD DO?
Sad!
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Dan on June 01, 2020, 06:27:59 PM
Not good.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/medical-examiner-declares-george-floyd-death-homicide-report/ar-BB14Tvsi?&ocid=spartanntp
Who watched the video and didn't know this?
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: CountValentine on June 01, 2020, 06:33:19 PM
Who watched the video and didn't know this?
I knew the black kid shot 13 times was murder/homicide. Will have to see what ME originally listed it as.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: chief_mag on June 01, 2020, 06:33:46 PM
Who watched the video and didn't know this?
The first medical examiner didn't determine the cause of death to be asphyxiation.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Dan on June 01, 2020, 06:35:56 PM
The first medical examiner didn't determine the cause of death to be asphyxiation.

Who watched the video and didn't know this?
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: aygart on June 01, 2020, 07:02:23 PM
The first medical examiner didn't determine the cause of death to be asphyxiation.

This one also did not say that he died of asphyxiation.

"cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual restraint, and neck compression,"

"Floyd died from a loss of blood flow due to compression on his neck
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: chief_mag on June 01, 2020, 07:06:22 PM


This one also did not say that he died of asphyxiation.

"cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual restraint, and neck compression,"

"Floyd died from a loss of blood flow due to compression on his neck
In the article I read, it did.

Quote
Attorneys for Floyd's family released the results of an independent autopsy report Monday afternoon showing that Floyd's death was caused by asphyxia due to neck and back compression that led to a lack of blood flow to the brain.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: chief_mag on June 01, 2020, 07:09:23 PM


"cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual restraint, and neck compression,"
Isn't this the quote from the Hennepin ME report?
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: ExGingi on June 01, 2020, 07:13:05 PM
"Floyd died from a loss of blood flow due to compression on his neck

That is the only thing that matters. EVERYONE knew this already. Didn't need to dissect him in order to know this, probably even according to Jewish Law and בית דין סמוך, definitely enough evidence to convict for בני נח.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: aygart on June 01, 2020, 07:21:16 PM
That is the only thing that matters. EVERYONE knew this already. Didn't need to dissect him in order to know this, probably even according to Jewish Law and בית דין סמוך, definitely enough evidence to convict for בני נח.
1000%
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: chief_mag on June 01, 2020, 07:30:06 PM


That is the only thing that matters. EVERYONE knew this already. Didn't need to dissect him in order to know this, probably even according to Jewish Law and בית דין סמוך, definitely enough evidence to convict for בני נח.

Agreed.
Was simply pointing it out.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: ExGingi on June 02, 2020, 10:12:50 AM
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: CountValentine on June 02, 2020, 10:22:14 AM
Please stop whit this white privileges non-sense. There is no such thing. It is made up like racism and anti-Semitism.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: yos9694 on June 02, 2020, 12:59:28 PM
Please stop whit this white privileges non-sense. There is no such thing. It is made up like racism and anti-Semitism.

Being woke is self-defense in a world where people will judge you as racist until proven innocent just because of the color of your skin.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: aygart on June 02, 2020, 03:23:10 PM
Meanwhile Floyd has become so yesterday's news. Great job guys!
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: justmeha on June 02, 2020, 03:47:30 PM
Does anybody have a full transcript of the autopsy report?
bump
Other then this (https://content.govdelivery.com/attachments/MNHENNE/2020/06/01/file_attachments/1464238/2020-3700%20Floyd,%20George%20Perry%20Update%206.1.2020.pdf)
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: CountValentine on June 02, 2020, 07:42:26 PM
Meanwhile Floyd has become so yesterday's news. Great job guys!
I wouldn't say that.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: aygart on June 02, 2020, 08:14:54 PM
I wouldn't say that.
Well all you seem to care about here is Trump
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: CountValentine on June 02, 2020, 08:20:44 PM
Well all you seem to care about here is Trump
That's all you want to see.
Speaking up for injustice is speaking up for what happened to GF.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: aygart on June 02, 2020, 08:25:27 PM
That's all you want to see.
Speaking up for injustice is speaking up for what happened to GF.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: CountValentine on June 02, 2020, 08:30:18 PM
When are the other officers who were complicate in this crime going to be charged?
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: aygart on June 02, 2020, 08:37:28 PM
When are the other officers who were complicate in this crime going to be charged?
I doubt it. I don't think the law allows it. There have been bills proposed in various jurisdictions to change this.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: CountValentine on June 02, 2020, 10:24:19 PM
When are the other officers who were complicate in this crime going to be charged?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/george-floyds-family-was-told-other-officers-will-be-charged/ar-BB14VABX?ocid=spartanntp
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: aygart on June 02, 2020, 11:44:57 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/george-floyds-family-was-told-other-officers-will-be-charged/ar-BB14VABX?ocid=spartanntp
Great. There was another officer with a knee in his back? I didn't watch the entire video but didn't notice that in the part I saw.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 03, 2020, 06:12:33 AM
Does anybody have a full transcript of the autopsy report?
Probably has confidential medical history
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: justmeha on June 03, 2020, 09:11:04 AM
Probably has confidential medical history
OK but based on what was released from the medical examiner itís hard for me to believe that he was killed by the officer
And please donít mention the other report being that after some research it seems that he is more of a activist than a medical examiner
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Jellybelly on June 03, 2020, 09:15:00 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/george-floyds-family-was-told-other-officers-will-be-charged/ar-BB14VABX?ocid=spartanntp
I wonder if theyíll post mugshots? Not sure itíll  fit the narrative
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: aygart on June 03, 2020, 11:03:57 AM
OK but based on what was released from the medical examiner itís hard for me to believe that he was killed by the officer
And please donít mention the other report being that after some research it seems that he is more of a activist than a medical examiner
Really? Where do you see that?
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: justmeha on June 03, 2020, 02:31:23 PM
Really? Where do you see that?
from when I saw the video I did not think he was Suffocated. The Medical examiners report Confirms  that he did not die from suffocation. Rather, it was from cardiac arrest which I assume was partially if not mostly caused by the fentanyl and meth and methamphetamine. at most it was complicated by the police officers.

In other words I did not see and I do not know of a action committed that is known to cause death.

Was he negligent? Probably. Does he lack compassion? I would say yes. But did he kill someone? With the facts at hand I really donít think so
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: skyguy918 on June 03, 2020, 02:46:38 PM
from when I saw the video I did not think he was Suffocated. The Medical examiners report Confirms  that he did not die from suffocation. Rather, it was from cardiac arrest which I assume was partially if not mostly caused by the fentanyl and meth and methamphetamine. at most it was complicated by the police officers.

In other words I did not see and I do not know of a action committed that is known to cause death.

Was he negligent? Probably. Does he lack compassion? I would say yes. But did he kill someone? With the facts at hand I really donít think so
The medical examiner also ruled it a homicide, just not in the same manner as the independent autopsy.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: pointer on June 03, 2020, 02:54:09 PM
from when I saw the video I did not think he was Suffocated. The Medical examiners report Confirms  that he did not die from suffocation. Rather, it was from cardiac arrest which I assume was partially if not mostly caused by the fentanyl and meth and methamphetamine. at most it was complicated by the police officers.

In other words I did not see and I do not know of a action committed that is known to cause death.

Was he negligent? Probably. Does he lack compassion? I would say yes. But did he kill someone? With the facts at hand I really donít think so
I do not believe you for a second that after watching the video you really do not think he was killed directly by that cop.
And saying this only after the first medical examiner submitted his findings, confirms that.


Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: stooges44 on June 03, 2020, 02:57:45 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/george-floyds-family-was-told-other-officers-will-be-charged/ar-BB14VABX?ocid=spartanntp

Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 03, 2020, 03:10:48 PM
Pretty incredible how they're charging people based on public reaction.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: justmeha on June 03, 2020, 03:11:34 PM
The medical examiner also ruled it a homicide, just not in the same manner as the independent autopsy.
Read the comment section below. It doesnít seem to mean homicide in the regular sense of the word

And personally it irks me to call it a independent autopsy. The sky comes every time there is alleged police brutality And confirms it
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Dan on June 03, 2020, 03:11:47 PM
Pretty incredible how they're charging people based on public reaction.
Watch him walk because he was overcharged.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Jellybelly on June 03, 2020, 03:12:50 PM
Watch him walk because he was overcharged.
But only once it calms down, just in time to have it start all over again
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: justmeha on June 03, 2020, 03:14:27 PM
I do not believe you for a second that after watching the video you really do not think he was killed directly by that cop.
And saying this only after the first medical examiner submitted his findings, confirms that.
What I thought has no bearing on the facts. I did not post because I didnít have Facts, and wasnít interested in starting a fire storm on my opinion alone. I mentioned it to plenty of my friends if that helps you.

If you care the reason I think so is because it does not seem to me that he is putting pressure on the part of the neck that would interfere with breathing.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: EliJelly on June 03, 2020, 03:15:15 PM
Watch him walk because he was overcharged.
At least he lost his family life.

https://www.google.com/search?safe=strict&sxsrf=ALeKk02pUMTpTWiKR6oy8Gjeyf_7Zhjd2A%3A1591211642599&ei=evbXXrCKJIKHggf5_InQBA&q=derek+chauvin+wife+divorce&oq=derek+chauvin+wife+divorce&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzoHCAAQgwEQQzoFCAAQgwE6BAgAEAM6AggAUMplWNadAWDYzAFoAHAAeACAAdEFiAG5N5IBCDQtMTAuMy4xmAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpeg&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiwr-ClrebpAhWCg-AKHXl-AkoQ4dUDCAw&uact=5
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 03, 2020, 03:15:24 PM
Watch him walk because he was overcharged.
Unfortunately I doubt anybody there will dare exonerate him. (Not saying he should be, but he does deserve a fair trial).
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: justmeha on June 03, 2020, 03:18:27 PM
At least he lost his family life.

https://www.google.com/search?safe=strict&sxsrf=ALeKk02pUMTpTWiKR6oy8Gjeyf_7Zhjd2A%3A1591211642599&ei=evbXXrCKJIKHggf5_InQBA&q=derek+chauvin+wife+divorce&oq=derek+chauvin+wife+divorce&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzoHCAAQgwEQQzoFCAAQgwE6BAgAEAM6AggAUMplWNadAWDYzAFoAHAAeACAAdEFiAG5N5IBCDQtMTAuMy4xmAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpeg&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiwr-ClrebpAhWCg-AKHXl-AkoQ4dUDCAw&uact=5
Donít you think itís disgusting to gloat over a thing like that
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: stooges44 on June 03, 2020, 03:19:24 PM
But only once it calms down, just in time to have it start all over again

Exactly.

Unfortunately I doubt anybody there will dare exonerate him. (Not saying he should be, but he does deserve a fair trial).

I don't think he will walk but he wont get the full book thrown at him and that will be enough to start all of this again.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Naftuli19 on June 03, 2020, 03:21:33 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/03/3-more-cops-charged-in-george-floyd-death-other-officers-murder-charge-upgraded.html
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: CountValentine on June 03, 2020, 04:19:22 PM
Watch him walk because he was overcharged.
Manslaughter was overcharged?
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: aygart on June 03, 2020, 04:34:28 PM
Watch him walk because he was overcharged.


From yesterday:

https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/06/02/a-more-fitting-criminal-charge-in-george-floyds-death/
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: CountValentine on June 03, 2020, 04:37:02 PM

So no manslaughter option?

Chicago cop found guilty of second degree murder but look what he did: The white Chicago police officer who shot black teenager Laquan McDonald 16 times in an encounter captured on dashcam video has been found guilty of second-degree murder.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: aygart on June 03, 2020, 04:48:06 PM
So no manslaughter option?

Chicago cop found guilty of second degree murder but look what he did: The white Chicago police officer who shot black teenager Laquan McDonald 16 times in an encounter captured on dashcam video has been found guilty of second-degree murder.

Each state defines the different degrees differently.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 03, 2020, 04:51:03 PM
Donít you think itís disgusting to gloat over a thing like that
באבוד רשעים רינה
כל המרחם על האכזרים סופו להתאכזר על הרחמנים
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: CountValentine on June 03, 2020, 04:52:16 PM
Each state defines the different degrees differently.
Do you know what it is?
ETA:https://statelaws.findlaw.com/minnesota-law/minnesota-second-degree-murder.html

Here is a general one and they are going to have problems.
Second degree murder is generally defined as intentional murder that lacks premeditation, is intended to only cause bodily harm, and demonstrates an extreme indifference to human life. The exact legal definition of this crime will vary by jurisdiction.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Dan on June 03, 2020, 04:52:19 PM
https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/06/02/a-more-fitting-criminal-charge-in-george-floyds-death/
I don't see how he gets convicted of 2nd or 3rd degree murder if that's correct.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: CountValentine on June 03, 2020, 04:56:50 PM
I don't see how he gets convicted of 2nd or 3rd degree murder if that's correct.
3rd degree - A depraved heart or mind murder, which places others in eminent danger of death and disregarding human life
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: aygart on June 03, 2020, 05:06:43 PM
3rd degree - A depraved heart or mind murder, which places others in eminent danger of death and disregarding human life

"As the stateís highest court stated in State v. Barnes (2006), unlike other forms of murder, ď[d]epraved mind murder Ö cannot occur where the defendantís actions were focused on a specific person.Ē"
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: aygart on June 03, 2020, 05:07:54 PM
Do you know what it is?
ETA:https://statelaws.findlaw.com/minnesota-law/minnesota-second-degree-murder.html

Here is a general one and they are going to have problems.
Second degree murder is generally defined as intentional murder that lacks premeditation, is intended to only cause bodily harm, and demonstrates an extreme indifference to human life. The exact legal definition of this crime will vary by jurisdiction.

The argument goes like this: Chauvinís use of forceful restraint on a handcuffed, prone, and unresponsive man suffering from clear cardiovascular distress was an unjustified use of force under state law. This was not just an excessive use of force for which he could be fired, but a crime of either first- or third-degree assault.

If Chauvinís criminal assault played a causal role in Floydís death (and it appears it did), then he is guilty of felony murder, even if he did not intend for his assault to kill Floyd.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: CountValentine on June 03, 2020, 05:11:08 PM
The argument goes like this: Chauvinís use of forceful restraint on a handcuffed, prone, and unresponsive man suffering from clear cardiovascular distress was an unjustified use of force under state law. This was not just an excessive use of force for which he could be fired, but a crime of either first- or third-degree assault.

If Chauvinís criminal assault played a causal role in Floydís death (and it appears it did), then he is guilty of felony murder, even if he did not intend for his assault to kill Floyd.
Not disagree but were does "intentional" come in?
ETA: I guess it could be the length of time he was on his neck. The Chicago cop was convicted not because he shot the suspect but because he shot him 16 times. At some point between 1 and 16 it became intentionally.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: aygart on June 03, 2020, 05:17:13 PM
Not disagree but were does "intentional" come in?
You need to read further that the one line you quoted on that page ::)

Minnesota law prohibits intentional and unintentional killings under most circumstances. Those killings prohibited as second-degree murder include:

    Killing a human intentionally, but without premeditation (not thinking about or preparing for before)
    Killing a human while committing or attempting a drive-by shooting
    Causing someoneís death without intending the death of anyone, while committing a felony other than criminal sexual conduct (rape or sexual assault which would be first-degree murder) or a drive-by shooting
    Causing a death unintentionally, while intentionally inflicting or attempting to inflict great physical harm on the victim when the murderer is currently restrained by a protection order (including for domestic violence, harassment, divorce, or any similar protection order) and the victim was the protected party in that order

Third-degree murder in Minnesota is causing someoneís death by one of two ways:

    A depraved heart or mind murder, which places others in eminent danger of death and disregarding human life (such as shooting a gun into a crowd for fun, but not intending to kill anyone)
    Causing someoneís death by selling, giving away, or administering a Schedule I or II controlled substance (such as selling someone adulterated heroin that kills them)
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: CountValentine on June 03, 2020, 05:21:04 PM
You need to read further that the one line you quoted on that page ::)

Minnesota law prohibits intentional and unintentional killings under most circumstances. Those killings prohibited as second-degree murder include:

    Killing a human intentionally, but without premeditation (not thinking about or preparing for before)
    Killing a human while committing or attempting a drive-by shooting
    Causing someoneís death without intending the death of anyone, while committing a felony other than criminal sexual conduct (rape or sexual assault which would be first-degree murder) or a drive-by shooting
    Causing a death unintentionally, while intentionally inflicting or attempting to inflict great physical harm on the victim when the murderer is currently restrained by a protection order (including for domestic violence, harassment, divorce, or any similar protection order) and the victim was the protected party in that order

Third-degree murder in Minnesota is causing someoneís death by one of two ways:

    A depraved heart or mind murder, which places others in eminent danger of death and disregarding human life (such as shooting a gun into a crowd for fun, but not intending to kill anyone)
    Causing someoneís death by selling, giving away, or administering a Schedule I or II controlled substance (such as selling someone adulterated heroin that kills them)
Which line are you looking at?
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Post by: aygart on June 03, 2020, 05:22:36 PM
Which line are you looking at?
3rd
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Post by: CountValentine on June 03, 2020, 05:24:29 PM
3rd
That will be even a harder sell.
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Post by: aygart on June 03, 2020, 05:24:48 PM
That will be even a harder sell.
Why?
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Post by: CountValentine on June 03, 2020, 05:27:18 PM
Why?
Because what of what you laid out. He will say he was following procedure.
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Post by: ExGingi on June 03, 2020, 05:28:31 PM
You need to read further that the one line you quoted on that page ::)

Minnesota law prohibits intentional and unintentional killings under most circumstances. Those killings prohibited as second-degree murder include:

    Killing a human intentionally, but without premeditation (not thinking about or preparing for before)
    Killing a human while committing or attempting a drive-by shooting
    Causing someoneís death without intending the death of anyone, while committing a felony other than criminal sexual conduct (rape or sexual assault which would be first-degree murder) or a drive-by shooting
    Causing a death unintentionally, while intentionally inflicting or attempting to inflict great physical harm on the victim when the murderer is currently restrained by a protection order (including for domestic violence, harassment, divorce, or any similar protection order) and the victim was the protected party in that order

Third-degree murder in Minnesota is causing someoneís death by one of two ways:

    A depraved heart or mind murder, which places others in eminent danger of death and disregarding human life (such as shooting a gun into a crowd for fun, but not intending to kill anyone)
    Causing someoneís death by selling, giving away, or administering a Schedule I or II controlled substance (such as selling someone adulterated heroin that kills them)

So basically this will be decided over who can convince the jury (and presumably Minnesota Supreme Court) on the technicalities and intricacies of the law as written.

Though if he's in Jail long enough, the verdict might be given by another "justice system".
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Post by: aygart on June 03, 2020, 05:29:20 PM
Because what of what you laid out. He will say he was following procedure.
That would be an argument which would trump any charge if they can convince the jury of that. It would mean that it was a justified use of force and nothing criminal happened at all. It would also mean he sues for his job back.
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Post by: CountValentine on June 03, 2020, 05:30:09 PM
So basically this will be decided over who can convince the jury (and presumably Minnesota Supreme Court) on the technicalities and intricacies of the law as written.
Just the jury.
Though if he's in Jail long enough, the verdict might be given by another "justice system".
This isn't the movies.  ;)
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Post by: aygart on June 03, 2020, 05:31:35 PM
So basically this will be decided over who can convince the jury (and presumably Minnesota Supreme Court) on the technicalities and intricacies of the law as written.


Like any other criminal proceeding. Part of the job of the judge is to give understandable guidelines of the law. The jury follows the instructions of the judge. Arguments of legal intricacies are made to the judge without the jury present.
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Post by: ExGingi on June 03, 2020, 05:33:57 PM
Just the jury.
So you think the jury acquits?


This isn't the movies.  ;)

Jeffrey Dahmer wasn't in the movies either. Though AFAIK those sentences are usually reserved for child molesters.
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Post by: CountValentine on June 03, 2020, 05:36:07 PM
So you think the jury acquits?
Wild guess, yes at this point.
Jeffrey Dahmer wasn't in the movies either. Though AFAIK those sentences are usually reserved for child molesters.
Waiting for trial is different.
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Post by: aygart on June 03, 2020, 05:45:32 PM
Just the jury.

The jury decides fact not law. Legal arguments are not made to the jury and can be cause for a judge to sanction the attorneys.
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Post by: CountValentine on June 03, 2020, 05:47:17 PM
The jury decides fact not law. Legal arguments are not made to the jury and can be cause for a judge to sanction the attorneys.
I meant by that if the jury says not guilty it is all over. If they say guilty it isn't over until the fat lady sings.
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Post by: aygart on June 03, 2020, 05:56:54 PM
I meant by that if the jury says not guilty it is all over. If they say guilty it isn't over until the fat lady sings.
Yes, but that will be based on the instructions of the judge not which lawyer convinces an ignorant juror of the intricacies of the law.
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Post by: ExGingi on June 03, 2020, 06:37:57 PM
Yes, but that will be based on the instructions of the judge not which lawyer convinces an ignorant juror of the intricacies of the law.

Not about the lawyer convincing the intricacies of the law, but whether the current case fits the intricacies of the law like a glove.
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Post by: aygart on June 03, 2020, 06:59:52 PM
Not about the lawyer convincing the intricacies of the law, but whether the current case fits the intricacies of the law like a glove.
Like every court proceedings and why they charge multiple charges.
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Post by: CountValentine on June 03, 2020, 07:47:09 PM
Yes, but that will be based on the instructions of the judge not which lawyer convinces an ignorant juror of the intricacies of the law.
I served on three juries and I would not say that is correct based on my small sample.
That brings up something else. Why am I 3 for 3 for serving. For some reason I think it is 4 for 4.
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Post by: grodnoking on June 03, 2020, 07:51:03 PM


That brings up something else. Why am I 3 for 3 for serving. For some reason I think it is 4 for 4.

Based on your posts on this forum, I am not surprised. You play devil's advocate and you won't stop till everything is proven beyond doubt. That's an impartial juror.
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Post by: aygart on June 03, 2020, 08:03:12 PM
I served on three juries and I would not say that is correct based on my small sample.
That brings up something else. Why am I 3 for 3 for serving. For some reason I think it is 4 for 4.
That is not what happened at the 2 trials where I served as an expert witness.
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Post by: CountValentine on June 03, 2020, 08:05:31 PM
That is not what happened at the 2 trials where I served as an expert witness.
Were you in the jury room?
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Post by: aygart on June 03, 2020, 08:07:32 PM
Were you in the jury room?
No
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 03, 2020, 08:54:46 PM
The jury will be sequestered from the media throughout the trial?
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Post by: gozalim on June 04, 2020, 12:16:21 AM
https://apnews.com/82b8119dd8e753494f755a186f5720b9
can we finally move this thread over to the corona board?
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Post by: 613Ari on June 04, 2020, 01:47:57 AM
New study shoes George floyd died from covid-19 ;D
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Post by: Yehuda57 on June 04, 2020, 01:56:17 AM
New study shoes George floyd died from covid-19 ;D

Hilarious
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Post by: etech0 on June 04, 2020, 01:09:20 PM
And here I thought COVID-19 died from George Floyd
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Post by: etech0 on June 04, 2020, 01:13:05 PM
New study shoes George floyd died from covid-19 ;D
(https://i.imgur.com/TeOaA3Y.png)
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Post by: CountValentine on June 04, 2020, 01:55:07 PM
You should really put the things you think are funny in other thread, maybe the joke thread?
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Post by: etech0 on June 04, 2020, 01:59:57 PM
You should really put the things you think are funny in other thread, maybe the joke thread?
It's a repost, that's where it came from
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Post by: CountValentine on June 04, 2020, 02:01:47 PM
It's a repost, that's where it came from
So you repost a joke in a thread that is about someone being murdered by the police. Man am I getting a cross section of info for my pictures.
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Post by: etech0 on June 04, 2020, 02:05:03 PM
So you repost a joke in a thread that is about someone being murdered by the police. Man am I getting a cross section of info for my pictures.
Have fun. But I wasn't the one who started. It was a reply to @613Ari which you are welcome to ignore
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Post by: CountValentine on June 04, 2020, 02:06:44 PM
Have fun. But I wasn't the one who started. It was a reply to @613Ari which you are welcome to ignore
Sorry "you" as in the person who did the repost.
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Post by: Naftuli19 on June 04, 2020, 02:23:40 PM
Watch him walk because he was overcharged.
Wether u like him or not, Ben Shapiro explains the charges and overcharges pretty well in the 1st 20min on today's show, (and he graduated law school).
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Post by: B.D.Da'ehu on June 04, 2020, 02:27:40 PM
Wish we can have an option to upvote OR downvote, like reddit.
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Post by: Naftuli19 on June 04, 2020, 02:33:26 PM
Wether u like him or not, Ben Shapiro explains the charges and overcharges pretty well in the 1st 20min on today's show, (and he graduated law school).
for those who want the link ;)

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Post by: stooges44 on June 04, 2020, 03:21:03 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/04/entertainment/kanye-west-two-million-dollar-donation/index.html
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Post by: CountValentine on June 04, 2020, 04:28:20 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/04/entertainment/kanye-west-two-million-dollar-donation/index.html
https://www.gofundme.com/f/georgefloyd
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Post by: ExGingi on June 04, 2020, 05:12:30 PM
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Post by: aygart on June 04, 2020, 05:47:50 PM
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/police-immunity-rule-fresh-supreme-court-george-floyd/story?id=71044230
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Post by: CountValentine on June 04, 2020, 06:02:56 PM
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/police-immunity-rule-fresh-supreme-court-george-floyd/story?id=71044230
You have an opinion on it? This is a tough one.
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Post by: aygart on June 04, 2020, 06:07:17 PM
You have an opinion on it? This is a tough one.
From what I have seen it does need to be scaled back but not eliminated.
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Post by: CountValentine on June 04, 2020, 06:24:59 PM
From what I have seen it does need to be scaled back but not eliminated.
If it is 5-4 with Roberts with the liberals so will go crazy.
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Post by: TexasTotty on June 04, 2020, 10:43:20 PM
Did anyone read the latest email from Uber?
Uber just became institutionally racist against white people and businesses. Does that say they are offering discounted delivery for black restaurants only?! And discounted rides to black-owned businesses?! What about white (and black) owned businesses destroyed by black rioting?
Iím a big believer in treating everyone fairly and equally, but this ainít equal!
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Post by: CountValentine on June 04, 2020, 10:45:50 PM
Can you post the email so we can see what they are saying?
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Post by: aygart on June 04, 2020, 10:48:42 PM
Can you post the email so we can see what they are saying?
   
aygart,

Let me start by saying I wish I never had to send this email.

I wish that the lives of George Floyd, Ahmaud Arbery, Breonna Taylor, and countless others werenít so violently cut short. I wish that institutional racism, and the police violence it gives rise to, didnít cause their deaths. I wish that all members of our Black community felt safe enough to move around their cities without fear. I wish that I didnít have to try to find the words to explain all of this to my two young sons.

But Iíve been given hope this week by hundreds of thousands of peaceful protestors demanding change. I am committed to being part of that change.

As a company, we believe that everyone has the right to move freely, no matter where they live or the color of their skin. Weíre proud of how Uber has helped improve transportation equity over the last decade. But the reality remains that Black Americans often donít feel safe to move freely in many places around our country. And they still face enormous barriers that others do not.

This is a reality we should not perpetuate or accept. We must do better.

We know there is no easy solution to the problems we have faced for centuries. We also know that we need to devote our time, energy and resources toward making a difference. Thatís why weíre making a number of commitments that we will uphold not just this week, but for years to come:
ē   We are committed to driving lasting change through criminal justice reform. On Sunday, we announced a $1 million donation to the Equal Justice Initiative and Center for Policing Equity to support their important work in making racial justice in America more than just a promise.
ē   We are committed to creating a community that treats everyone equally and with dignity. We do not tolerate discrimination, harrassment or racism on our platform, as outlined in our Community Guidelines. We will hold everyone who uses Uber accountable to these standards of basic respect and human decency. I respectfully ask anyone not willing to abide by these rules to delete Uber.
ē   We are committed to supporting the Black community. As a starting point, we will use Uber Eats to promote Black-owned restaurants while making it easier for you to support them, with no delivery fees for the remainder of the year. And in the coming weeks, we will offer discounted rides to Black-owned small businesses, who have been hit hard by COVID-19, to help in their recovery.
ē   We are committed to making Uber a diverse and inclusive place for people of color to work and thrive. While we have more work to do, we have tied our senior executivesí pay to measurable progress on our diversity goals, and will continue to publish data on our workforce so the public can hold us accountable. Weíre also committed to expanding opportunities for drivers and delivery people, including through education opportunities and skills training.
We know this isnít enough. It wonít be enough until we see true racial justice. But we plan to work day in and day out to improve, learn, and grow as a company.

Lastly, let me speak clearly and unequivocally: Black Lives Matter.

Dara Khosrowshahi
CEO




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Post by: Mordyk on June 04, 2020, 10:54:49 PM
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=117138.msg2268441#msg2268441
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Post by: ExGingi on June 05, 2020, 10:34:16 AM
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=273957870461345&id=1593518174052711
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Post by: aygart on June 05, 2020, 01:05:34 PM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/06/04/two-officers-charged-in-floyds-death-were-collectively-on-the-job-for-less-than-a-week-and-derek-chauvin-was-training-them-lawyer-says/
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on June 05, 2020, 01:32:11 PM
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://news4sanantonio.com/amp/news/nation-world/minneapolis-agrees-to-ban-all-chokeholds-by-police-and-require-bystanding-officers-to-stop&ved=2ahUKEwiL65uDmuvpAhUdmHIEHfkiD0QQ0PADegQIAhAN&usg=AOvVaw1qBbVBGIuEAMAchUj1OPhL&ampcf=1
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Post by: aygart on June 05, 2020, 01:35:31 PM
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://news4sanantonio.com/amp/news/nation-world/minneapolis-agrees-to-ban-all-chokeholds-by-police-and-require-bystanding-officers-to-stop&ved=2ahUKEwiL65uDmuvpAhUdmHIEHfkiD0QQ0PADegQIAhAN&usg=AOvVaw1qBbVBGIuEAMAchUj1OPhL&ampcf=1

ooooooohh
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Post by: ExGingi on June 05, 2020, 02:05:40 PM
Is this racism? Policy brutality? Antisemitism?

https://streamable.com/3ojsws

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Post by: CountValentine on June 05, 2020, 02:11:09 PM
Is this racism? Policy brutality? Antisemitism?

https://streamable.com/3ojsws
Looks like someone being arrested.
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Post by: ExGingi on June 05, 2020, 02:38:16 PM
Looks like someone being arrested.

Where's the police officer's knee?
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Post by: points 99 on June 05, 2020, 02:44:34 PM
Anyone know where I can order masks with "I cant breath" printed on them?
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Post by: Mordyk on June 05, 2020, 02:51:28 PM
Anyone know where I can order masks with "I cant breath" printed on them?
No need to buy them. Find someone that sells it and just take it.  Just join in the spirit of things
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Post by: CountValentine on June 05, 2020, 04:06:49 PM
Where's the police officer's knee?
Looks like on his neck for about 30 seconds until they got the restraints on. Do you have a point?
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Post by: flyingace on June 06, 2020, 11:22:59 PM
Is this racism? Policy brutality? Antisemitism?

https://streamable.com/3ojsws


What's the story behind this?
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Post by: Mtrasb on June 06, 2020, 11:44:50 PM
He doesn't deserve to be killed of course, but...
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Post by: aygart on June 07, 2020, 12:03:58 AM
He doesn't deserve to be killed of course, but...
Then why is this at all relevant? In Judaism we have people who died for being Jewish and are considered martyrs even though they were far from tadikim. The gemora has many examples of it. There is no reason at all for this to be at all relevant and serves no purpose other that to distract and keep the problems in place.
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Post by: Dan on June 07, 2020, 12:08:15 AM
Then why is this at all relevant? In Judaism we have people who died for being Jewish and are considered martyrs even though they were far from tadikim. The gemora has many examples of it. There is no reason at all for this to be at all relevant and serves no purpose other that to distract and keep the problems in place.
+1K
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Post by: Mtrasb on June 07, 2020, 12:10:35 AM
Then why is this at all relevant? In Judaism we have people who died for being Jewish and are considered martyrs even though they were far from tadikim. The gemora has many examples of it.

They aren't hallowed as heroes or called kedoshim for nothing. They were killed simply for being Jewish, hence their martyrdom. George Floyd wasn't killed for being black. He was killed (in his capacity as a criminal), by a cruel cop who had to assert his authority.

You are comparing apples to rotten pineapples...
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Post by: CountValentine on June 07, 2020, 12:11:33 AM
Then why is this at all relevant?
Going to take a wild guess and say this was a rhetorical question?
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Post by: aygart on June 07, 2020, 12:12:54 AM
They aren't hallowed as heroes or called kedoshim for nothing. They were killed simply for being Jewish, hence their martyrdom. George Floyd wasn't killed for being black. He was killed (in his capacity as a criminal), by a cruel cop who had to assert his authority.

You are comparing apples to pineapples...


Those who are considering him a martyr feel that it was because he was black. Therefore it makes sense for them to consider him a martyr.
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Post by: Jellybelly on June 07, 2020, 12:14:14 AM
Then why is this at all relevant? In Judaism we have people who died for being Jewish and are considered martyrs even though they were far from tadikim. The gemora has many examples of it. There is no reason at all for this to be at all relevant and serves no purpose other that to distract and keep the problems in place.
From what I know, the only thing you can fault him for, is resisting arrest. Which seems to be the case in the Eric Gardner story and most other times. Itís not a reason to be killed, but maybe itís not the smartest thing to do if you value your life
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Post by: cmey on June 07, 2020, 12:14:58 AM
Then why is this at all relevant? In Judaism we have people who died for being Jewish and are considered martyrs even though they were far from tadikim. The gemora has many examples of it. There is no reason at all for this to be at all relevant and serves no purpose other that to distract and keep the problems in place.
It really isnít relevant. Itís a horrific murder. Doesnít matter who he was, but then again, NPR and the rest of the media think it is relevant. They are all running with ďgentle giantĒ.
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/28/864410788/a-look-at-george-floyds-life-that-ended-in-the-police-custody
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on June 07, 2020, 12:15:55 AM
Those who are considering him a martyr feel that it was because he was black. Therefore it makes sense for them to consider him a martyr.
Which as far as we know is untrue.
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Post by: CountValentine on June 07, 2020, 12:16:44 AM
It really isnít relevant. Itís a horrific murder. Doesnít matter who he was, but then again, NPR and the rest of the media think it is relevant. They are all running with ďgentle giantĒ.
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/28/864410788/a-look-at-george-floyds-life-that-ended-in-the-police-custody
Could the gentle giant be the man he became and not was?
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Post by: Jellybelly on June 07, 2020, 12:17:10 AM
It really isnít relevant. Itís a horrific murder. Doesnít matter who he was, but then again, NPR and the rest of the media think it is relevant. They are all running with ďgentle giantĒ.
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/28/864410788/a-look-at-george-floyds-life-that-ended-in-the-police-custody
Which version is true? The Yated had the gentle giant version and I thought he only puts in right wing political views
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Post by: CountValentine on June 07, 2020, 12:17:42 AM
Which as far as we know is untrue.
As far as we know we don't know.
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Post by: Mtrasb on June 07, 2020, 12:17:58 AM
Those who are considering him a martyr feel that it was because he was black. Therefore it makes sense for them to consider him a martyr.

Again, he wasn't killed because he was black, thus making him a martyr. He was killed in the acting capacity of a criminal resisting arrest.
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Post by: CountValentine on June 07, 2020, 12:24:29 AM
Again, he wasn't killed because he was black, thus making him a martyr. He was killed in the acting capacity of a criminal resisting arrest.
This is nothing more than victim blaming.
A girl gets rape. It is terrible she was raped BUT look the way she dressed.  >:( >:( >:(
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Post by: aygart on June 07, 2020, 12:24:31 AM
From what I know, the only thing you can fault him for, is resisting arrest. \
He was killed in the acting capacity of a criminal resisting arrest.

Is there any evidence that he was resisting arrest? The surveillance video seemed to show him being very cooperative.
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Post by: aygart on June 07, 2020, 12:26:07 AM
Again, he wasn't killed because he was black, thus making him a martyr.

They disagree with you. That is what it depends on and nothing at all to do with whether or not he was a good person. al that does is perpetuate problems.
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Post by: Mtrasb on June 07, 2020, 12:26:45 AM
This is nothing more than victim blaming.
A girl gets rape. It is terrible she was raped BUT look the way she dressed.  >:( >:( >:(
Bad comparison.
In this case there is no evidence that the officer acted any differently than he would have had the criminal been white.
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Post by: cmey on June 07, 2020, 12:27:30 AM
Could the gentle giant be the man he became and not was?

Itís possible. He wasnít charged with any additional violent crimes since his 2014 release from prison. He was apparently currently passing counterfeit currency and driving around high on  fentanyl and methamphetamine so not exactly a guy you want on the streets.
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Post by: Mtrasb on June 07, 2020, 12:30:03 AM
They disagree with you. That is what it depends on and nothing at all to do with whether or not he was a good person. al that does is perpetuate problems.
The problem is, that the media is aggravating the issue by trying to paint the picture black and white (both literally and metaphorically).
Innocent black George vs. evil racist cop.

What this is doing is adding some color to the picture, giving the issue some perspective.
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Post by: CountValentine on June 07, 2020, 12:31:33 AM
Bad comparison.
In this case there is no evidence that the officer acted any differently than he would have had the criminal been white.
WOW did you miss the point. I am talking about YOU!!!
You are victim blaming!!!
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Jellybelly on June 07, 2020, 12:34:19 AM
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Post by: aygart on June 07, 2020, 12:34:57 AM
The problem is, that the media is aggravating the issue by trying to paint the picture black and white (both literally and metaphorically).
Innocent black George vs. evil racist cop.

What this is doing is adding some color to the picture, giving the issue some perspective.
A crime commited 5 years ago adds no perspective and all and bringing it into the discussion where it is not relevant in the slightest does more to aggravate the issue. It is black and white considering that, despite your assertion, there seems to be no indication at all that he was resisting arrest. I am not surprised that you are choosing to ignore my calling you out on that.
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Post by: Mtrasb on June 07, 2020, 12:35:48 AM
WOW did you miss the point. I am talking about YOU!!!
You are victim blaming!!!
You totally missed my point.
 Whereas dressing provocatively can be attributed as a reason for a rape crime, as inexcusable as it may be, skin color did not play a single role in the cop criminal exchange.
It was a frustrated cop exerting his authority over his latest criminal catch, whatever color he may be.
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Post by: Essen est zich on June 07, 2020, 12:37:30 AM

The trend will continue and more lives will be lost thanks to the "so called" elected leaders we have...
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Post by: CountValentine on June 07, 2020, 12:39:46 AM
You totally missed my point.
 Whereas dressing provocatively can be attributed as a reason for a rape crime, as inexcusable as it may be, skin color did not play a single role in the cop criminal exchange.
It was a frustrated cop exerting his authority over his latest criminal catch, whatever color he may be.
Who said anything about color. You posted his criminal background which had no bearing on him being murdered.
That is victim blaming. What part of that don't you understand?
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Mtrasb on June 07, 2020, 12:40:01 AM
A crime commited 5 years ago adds no perspective and all and bringing it into the discussion where it is not relevant in the slightest does more to aggravate the issue. It is black and white considering that, despite your assertion, there seems to be no indication at all that he was resisting arrest. I am not surprised that you are choosing to ignore my calling you out on that.

I ignored it because it doesn't make a difference to my point. I am in no way trying to defend Derek chauvin. He is a despicable person that did a despicable thing. Whether or not he was resisting arrest will only change how much of a right Derek had to pursue him and with what degree of violence, with end result being inexcusable regardless.

All I am saying, is that George shouldn't be identified in the news as a black, rather as a criminal. Bringing up past criminal history does accentuate that point.
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Post by: aygart on June 07, 2020, 12:42:09 AM
I ignored it because it doesn't make a difference to my point. I am in no way trying to defend Derek chauvin. He is a despicable person that did a despicable thing. Whether or not he was resisting arrest will only change how much of a right Derek had to pursue him and with what degree of violence, with end result being inexcusable regardless.

All I am saying, is that George shouldn't be identified in the news as a black, rather as a criminal. Bringing up past criminal history does accentuate that point.
Okay so you just made that up about him?

If he was resisting arrest that is a MAJOR mitigating factor.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Mtrasb on June 07, 2020, 12:44:39 AM
Okay so you just made that up about him?

If he was resisting arrest that is a MAJOR mitigating factor.

I didn't make it up. It is something I have read but not seen as it was not in the video. From the perspective of the video he seemed very docile. That is why I will retract what I said being based on hearsay and not first hand knowledge.
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Post by: Yehudaa on June 07, 2020, 12:45:48 AM
It was a frustrated cop exerting his authority over his latest criminal catch, whatever color he may be.
Just out of curiosity, how would you know that?
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Post by: Jellybelly on June 07, 2020, 12:47:14 AM
The trend will continue and more lives will be lost thanks to the "so called" elected leaders we have...
I heard itís already happening in the nypd
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Mtrasb on June 07, 2020, 12:50:38 AM
Who said anything about color. You posted his criminal background which had no bearing on him being murdered.
That is victim blaming. What part of that don't you understand?

The media is blaming the cop for being racist. Is there an ounce of proof? Malicious yes, racist? Not necessarily...
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: aygart on June 07, 2020, 12:51:52 AM
The media

::)
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Post by: CountValentine on June 07, 2020, 12:52:50 AM
The media is blaming the cop for being racist. Is there an ounce of proof? Malicious yes, racist? Not necessarily...
I don't care what the media said or anything else. What you posted is victim blaming!!!
Stop trying to change the subject ten different ways.
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Post by: Mtrasb on June 07, 2020, 12:52:59 AM
Just out of curiosity, how would you know that?
How would anyone know otherwise?

What exactly happened that the whole world is suddenly up in arms about racism?
It does exist, and must obviously be eradicated. But why now? And why because of this?
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Post by: Mtrasb on June 07, 2020, 12:56:30 AM
I don't care what the media said or anything else. What you posted is victim blaming!!!
Stop trying to change the subject ten different ways.
When somebody makes headlines, he is subject to public scrutiny.
Whether or not it has any bearing to his fame is irrelevant.

"George Floyd" is the name on every tongue. Who was he?

He certainly isn't a martyr. Unless you have a very broad and inclusive definition of the word. In which case any person that was killed unfairly is a martyr.
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Post by: CountValentine on June 07, 2020, 12:59:25 AM
When somebody makes headlines, he is subject to public scrutiny.
Whether or not it has any bearing to his fame is irrelevant.

"George Floyd" is the name on every tongue. Who was he?

He certainly isn't a martyr. Unless you have a very broad and inclusive definition of the word. In which case any person that was killed unfairly is a martyr.
Your post was victim blaming. What part don't you understand?
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Post by: Mtrasb on June 07, 2020, 12:59:59 AM
::)

Cynical eye-roll.

Oh, he's one of those.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Yehudaa on June 07, 2020, 01:03:39 AM
How would anyone know otherwise?
Nobody does. You said it didn't have to do with his race, so I asked how you knew that. I'm not saying it did have to do with race, I'm just questioning how you know that it didn't.
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Post by: Mtrasb on June 07, 2020, 01:06:54 AM
Nobody does. You said it didn't have to do with his race, so I asked how you knew that. I'm not saying it did have to do with race, I'm just questioning how you know that it didn't.

Precisely. Unknown.
So what's all the brouhaha?
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Mtrasb on June 07, 2020, 01:09:06 AM
Your post was victim blaming. What part don't you understand?

Blaming implies that I'm attributing his death to his crime. Akin to attributing the rape to the dress.
I am not saying George died because of his crimes. I am merely pointing out that he is no martyr.
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Post by: Yehudaa on June 07, 2020, 01:10:25 AM
Precisely. Unknown.

It was a frustrated cop exerting his authority over his latest criminal catch, whatever color he may be.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Mtrasb on June 07, 2020, 01:11:53 AM


Innocent until proven guilty.

The onus of the proof is on you.
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Post by: CountValentine on June 07, 2020, 01:13:22 AM
The onus of the proof is on you.
You made the claim, no one else.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: CountValentine on June 07, 2020, 01:14:15 AM
Blaming implies that I'm attributing his death to his crime.
He doesn't deserve to be killed of course, but...
::) ::) ::)
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Post by: Yehudaa on June 07, 2020, 01:19:45 AM
Innocent until proven guilty.

The onus of the proof is on you.
It was a frustrated cop exerting his authority over his latest criminal catch, whatever color he may be.

Until he's proven guilty, we must presume that it was a frustrated cop exerting his authority over his latest criminal catch, whatever color he may be.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Kobe Bryant on June 07, 2020, 04:16:16 PM
I didn't make it up. It is something I have read but not seen as it was not in the video. From the perspective of the video he seemed very docile. That is why I will retract what I said being based on hearsay and not first hand knowledge.
I have seen a video that seems to show he was in the policr car and ran out, but can't confirm its authenticity.
I have no doubt, all the information will come out in due time.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Kobe Bryant on June 08, 2020, 02:37:21 PM
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/06/08/ex-officer-derek-chauvin-makes-first-court-appearance-in-george-floyd-case-faces-1m-bail-with-conditions/&ved=2ahUKEwj94K-X7vLpAhVSds0KHe2lA3gQFjALegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw2ktNI_IwpiTNWOUJaAJmxw&cshid=1591641402316
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Post by: CountValentine on June 08, 2020, 09:58:32 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/not-easy-to-get-a-conviction-in-george-floyd-killing-harris-says/ar-BB15cnr2?ocid=spartanntp
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Mtrasb on June 09, 2020, 09:32:34 PM
Okay so you just made that up about him?

If he was resisting arrest that is a MAJOR mitigating factor.

Ok
Missing CCTV footage has surfaced. Turns out he was resisting arrest and gave the cops a difficult time.
He wasn't being violent though, so I don't think it is such a mitigating factor.
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Post by: CountValentine on June 09, 2020, 09:36:28 PM
Missing CCTV footage has surfaced.
Link?
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Post by: Mtrasb on June 09, 2020, 09:40:49 PM
Link?
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Kobe Bryant on June 10, 2020, 01:02:06 AM
Ok
Missing CCTV footage has surfaced. Turns out he was resisting arrest and gave the cops a difficult time.
He wasn't being violent though, so I don't think it is such a mitigating factor.
I have seen a video that seems to show he was in the policr car and ran out, but can't confirm its authenticity.
I have no doubt, all the information will come out in due time.
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Post by: aygart on June 10, 2020, 12:13:00 PM
WHOA

https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morrissey/2020/06/10/cbs-chauvin-might-personal-motive-assault-floyd
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Post by: Jellybelly on June 10, 2020, 12:16:40 PM
WHOA

https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morrissey/2020/06/10/cbs-chauvin-might-personal-motive-assault-floyd
Old news, but it doesnít fit the narrative
Just like the fact that these riots are planned and have been planned for years and arenít spontaneous in any way
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Post by: CountValentine on June 10, 2020, 12:33:04 PM
Old news, but it doesnít fit the narrative
Which narrative?
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Jellybelly on June 10, 2020, 12:35:43 PM
Which narrative?
That it was a race issue, seems to be a personal fight
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: CountValentine on June 10, 2020, 01:21:06 PM
That it was a race issue, seems to be a personal fight
Personal fight can be race related, no?
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Post by: pointer on June 10, 2020, 01:23:02 PM
Personal fight can be race related, no?
It can, sure.
It can also not be.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: pointer on June 10, 2020, 01:27:04 PM
I have seen a video that seems to show he was in the policr car and ran out, but can't confirm its authenticity.
I have no doubt, all the information will come out in due time.
Now that is definitely a reason to execute him  ::)
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Post by: Jellybelly on June 10, 2020, 01:31:05 PM
Now that is definitely a reason to execute him  ::)
But not to burn down cities and defund the police 🙄
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Post by: CountValentine on June 10, 2020, 01:39:28 PM
It can, sure.
It can also not be.
Agree.
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Post by: stooges44 on June 10, 2020, 03:44:17 PM
https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/marine-vet-stood-in-100-degree-heat-for-3-hour-silent-protest-causing-soles-of-his-shoes-to-melt/755691
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: aygart on June 10, 2020, 03:44:38 PM
It can, sure.
It can also not be.


Even if it is racial it is now a personal racism and not systemic.,
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Post by: moish on June 11, 2020, 08:12:57 AM


Thoughts?
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Post by: Mikes@Micro on June 11, 2020, 08:31:37 AM


Thoughts?
WHY?
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Post by: B.D.Da'ehu on June 11, 2020, 09:22:49 AM
WHY?
Oh no, is someone showing some compassion??


Damn liberals.
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Post by: aygart on June 11, 2020, 10:36:53 PM
WHOA

https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morrissey/2020/06/10/cbs-chauvin-might-personal-motive-assault-floyd
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/george-floyd-derek-chauvin-nightclub-bumped-heads-changes-story/
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Post by: zh cohen on June 18, 2020, 01:31:49 AM
Seems relevant if true - https://medium.com/@gavrilodavid/why-derek-chauvin-may-get-off-his-murder-charge-2e2ad8d0911
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: CountValentine on June 18, 2020, 06:52:52 AM
Seems relevant if true - https://medium.com/@gavrilodavid/why-derek-chauvin-may-get-off-his-murder-charge-2e2ad8d0911
Of course it is relevant.
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Post by: AsherO on June 18, 2020, 06:54:52 AM
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/george-floyd-derek-chauvin-nightclub-bumped-heads-changes-story/

The irony is that Floyd became the poster boy for systemic racist police brutality in America, when his case was the exception, not the rule.

ETA: I now see @aygart made the same point upthread.
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Post by: CountValentine on June 18, 2020, 07:02:50 AM
The irony is that Floyd became the poster boy for systemic racist police brutality in America, when his case was the exception, not the rule.

ETA: I now see @aygart made the same point upthread.
There is a breaking point for everything. This has been building up for a long time.
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Post by: AsherO on June 18, 2020, 07:12:45 AM
There is a breaking point for everything. This has been building up for a long time.

Iím not disagreeing on principle, the irony stands notwithstanding.
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Post by: CountValentine on June 18, 2020, 07:18:36 AM
Iím not disagreeing on principle, the irony stands notwithstanding.
Would you agree if the exception ends in murder that is one to many exceptions?
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Post by: AsherO on June 18, 2020, 07:30:59 AM
Would you agree if the exception ends in murder that is one to many exceptions?

One too* many?

I agree with the president that we need policing reform.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: CountValentine on June 18, 2020, 07:36:59 AM
One too* many?
There has been more than two but lets just say one.  :)
I agree with the president that we need policing reform.
Him saying we need police reform is meaningless without action.
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Post by: Eb228 on June 18, 2020, 11:47:29 AM
Him saying we need police reform is meaningless without action.
So outlawing choke holds unless an officers life is in danger is not an action I assume?
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: CountValentine on June 18, 2020, 11:55:12 AM
So outlawing choke holds unless an officers life is in danger is not an action I assume?
That's it? He did not outlaw choke holds but nice spin.
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Post by: yesitsme on June 18, 2020, 11:58:14 AM
we need to outlaw criminals, all problems solved
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Post by: etech0 on June 18, 2020, 12:15:37 PM
we need to outlaw criminals, all problems solved
outlaw outlaws
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Post by: ExGingi on June 18, 2020, 01:07:04 PM
outlaw outlaws

reminds me of

(https://i.imgur.com/ssHUZSa.png)
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on June 24, 2020, 12:37:53 PM
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Post by: Lurker on August 07, 2020, 12:21:49 PM
This could probably go in a number of different threads:

https://www.outkick.com/george-floyd-bodycam-footage-shows-it-wasnt-about-race-will-nbactivists-actually-admit-that/

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The actions of the above groups, along with the mainstream media, guarantee that the second wave of George Floyd riots are going to be more deadly and destructive than the first wave.

The second wave will come when Thomas Lane, J. Alexander Kueng, Tou Thao and Derek Chauvin are acquitted of all serious charges.
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on October 07, 2020, 01:13:47 PM
Former Minneapolis police officer, Derek Chauvin has posted a $1M bail and is no longer in custody after the death of George Floyd.

A Minnesota Department of Corrections spokesperson confirmed Chauvin was no longer being held at the prison on Wednesday, and state court records show Chauvin posted bond. Chauvin had been at the Oak Park Heights prison since May 31. Court records show he posted a non-cash $1 million bond on Oct. 7, signed by A-Affordable Bail Bonds of Brainerd, Minnesota. A notice of release was posted at the same time.

Chauvin was arrested and charged with third-degree murder and manslaughter just four days after the Memorial Day death of George Floyd in Minneapolis.

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Post by: Kobe Bryant on December 31, 2020, 08:46:50 AM
Minneapolis police officer shot and killed a man during a traffic stop on Wednesday evening, the first killing by a member of the department since George Floydís death in May, a police spokesman said. The incident happened about a mile a way from the Geoge Floyd incident.
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on December 31, 2020, 08:49:43 AM
What we know so far:
ē Cop tried pulling over a driver
ē Driver was wanted for a unknown crime at this time
ē Driver and police exchanged gunfire
ē Driver was killed
ē Identity or race of the Driver who was killed is unknown as of now
ē Officer had a working body cam at the time of incident
ē Body Cam footage is expected to be released later today (Thursday)
ē officers were part of a Community Response Team, which is a unit that often deals with higher risk crimes and situations that normal 911 responders aren't equipped to deal with, such as drug-related or gun-related situations.
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Post by: TimT on December 31, 2020, 08:50:35 AM
Minneapolis police officer shot and killed a man during a traffic stop on Wednesday evening, the first killing by a member of the department since George Floydís death in May, a police spokesman said. The incident happened about a mile a way from the Geoge Floyd incident.
In an exchange of gunfire

ďInitial witness statements indicate that the subject involved in this felony stop fired first at Minneapolis police officers who then exchanged gunfire with the suspect," Chief Arradondo saidĒ
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on March 12, 2021, 02:54:55 PM
George Floyd family awarded $27 million dollar in settlement from the city of Minneapolis
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Post by: AsherO on March 13, 2021, 07:46:57 PM
George Floyd family awarded $27 million dollar in settlement from the city of Minneapolis

Would they get a 10th as much if the story didnít go viral? Letís see what they do with the money.
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on March 13, 2021, 08:20:08 PM
Would they get a 10th as much if the story didnít go viral? Letís see what they do with the money.
The answer is obvious.
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Post by: yerushabubby on March 15, 2021, 12:58:31 AM
Several times I have misread the thread title, leading me to wonder why MBD would sing a song with such an obviously non-Jewish name  ::) :-* ;D
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on March 23, 2021, 06:15:36 PM
A full jury has been seated in former Minneapolis Police Department officer Derek Chauvin's trial for the killing of George Floyd.

Jurors faced extensive questioning about their knowledge and views of the case ó and whether they can set aside any preconceived notions when considering the facts presented at trial.

While identities are anonymous, the 12 jurors and two alternates shared basic demographic information with the court:

Opening statements are scheduled for Monday, March 29. The trial itself is expected to last about a month.

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Post by: AsherO on March 23, 2021, 06:27:35 PM
A full jury has been seated in former Minneapolis Police Department officer Derek Chauvin's trial for the killing of George Floyd.

Jurors faced extensive questioning about their knowledge and views of the case ó and whether they can set aside any preconceived notions when considering the facts presented at trial.

While identities are anonymous, the 12 jurors and two alternates shared basic demographic information with the court:

Opening statements are scheduled for Monday, March 29. The trial itself is expected to last about a month.

They remain anonymous for the entire time and the person on trial never even gets to see them? So much for ďa jury of your peersĒ. I understand that itís a high profile case and the jurors safety comes first, but canít they do anything here?
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on March 29, 2021, 10:37:32 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/03/29/us/derek-chauvin-trial-live
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Post by: aygart on April 05, 2021, 05:18:21 PM
Interesting

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Post by: skyguy918 on April 07, 2021, 01:42:25 PM
Interesting

Is there a link to the actual video shown? Because I can't make heads or tails of either half of this image. Either way, you don't have to look very hard to find clear unmistakable photos with his knee on the neck. Has the attorney proven anything other than the fact that there was a point where the knee was on the shoulder blase?
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Post by: AsherO on April 07, 2021, 02:10:03 PM
Is there a link to the actual video shown? Because I can't make heads or tails of either half of this image. Either way, you don't have to look very hard to find clear unmistakable photos with his knee on the neck. Has the attorney proven anything other than the fact that there was a point where the knee was on the shoulder blase?

For the jury to convict theyíd have to find the defendant guilty beyond reasonable doubt, the defense attorney is trying to create reasonable doubt.
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on April 07, 2021, 02:30:18 PM
For the jury to convict theyíd have to find the defendant guilty beyond reasonable doubt, the defense attorney is trying to create reasonable doubt.
He will likely not be convicted because of an overzealous prosecutor.
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Post by: zh cohen on April 07, 2021, 08:30:22 PM
Is there a link to the actual video shown? Because I can't make heads or tails of either half of this image. Either way, you don't have to look very hard to find clear unmistakable photos with his knee on the neck. Has the attorney proven anything other than the fact that there was a point where the knee was on the shoulder blase?

He proved that a video (or picture) that looks clearly and unmistakably like the knee is on the neck might actually be of the knee on the shoulder. That's the point of showing them side by side.

It will be up the jury to decide if that (together with the fact that there is no physical evidence of damage to the neck) is enough to introduce reasonable doubt.

(Disclaimer: I have not watched the original video)
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on April 07, 2021, 09:40:29 PM
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Post by: zh cohen on April 08, 2021, 05:02:02 PM
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Tobin said he analyzed Floydís respiration as seen on body-camera video and explained that while fentanyl typically cuts the rate of respiration by 40 percent, Floydís breathing was ďright around normalĒ just before he lost consciousness. Similarly, he said people with severe heart disease have very high respiratory rates.

So he used the fact that Floyd's rate of breathing was average as proof that it wasn't slowed by fentanyl and also that it wasn't raised by heart disease? Wouldn't those two things cancel each other out?
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on April 10, 2021, 07:35:08 PM
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Post by: Definitions on April 11, 2021, 01:05:26 AM
What took the police so long to pull over
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on April 19, 2021, 05:51:45 PM
The murder case against former Minneapolis police Officer Derek Chauvin in the death of George Floyd has gone to the jury.

Twelve jurors ó six of them white, six Black or multiracial ó are beginning deliberations in a city on edge against another round of unrest.

During closing arguments Monday, prosecutors contended that Chauvin squeezed the life out of Floyd by pinning his knee against Floydís neck last May, ignoring bystanders, his own training and common sense.

The defense argued that the now-fired officer acted reasonably and that the 46-year-old man died of an underlying heart condition and illegal drug use.

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Post by: CountValentine on April 19, 2021, 06:02:50 PM
The defense argued that the now-fired officer acted reasonably and that the 46-year-old man died of an underlying heart condition and illegal drug use.
Pretty weak defense but it only takes one.
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on April 20, 2021, 03:07:05 PM
In a remarkable statement from a sitting president on a criminal trial currently underway, Biden says, ďI'm praying the verdict is the right verdict. The evidence is overwhelming in my view," Biden said of the murder trial of ex-Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin.

Biden told reporters he was only weighing in on the trial into the death of George Floyd, who died with Chauvinís knee on his neck, because the jury in the case had been sequestered. He said he called Floydís family on Monday to offer prayers and ď can only imagine the pressure and anxiety theyíre feeling.Ē

ďTheyíre a good family and theyíre calling for peace and tranquility no matter what that verdict is,Ē Biden said. ďIím praying the verdict is the right verdict. I think itís overwhelming, in my view. I wouldnít say that unless the jury was sequestered now.Ē

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Post by: Kobe Bryant on April 20, 2021, 04:29:29 PM
National Guard on the move in downtown Minneapolis; as Chauvin verdict expected in next 2-3 hours.
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Post by: Yehudaa on April 20, 2021, 04:31:27 PM
Chauvin verdict expected in next 2-3 hours.
MINNEAPOLIS: Breaking: The jury in the Derek Chauvin Trial has reached a verdict and will be announced at 4:30 ET.
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on April 20, 2021, 05:44:15 PM

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Post by: Kobe Bryant on April 20, 2021, 05:46:18 PM
Bail Has Been Revoked Pending sentencing so Derek Chauvin has been handcuffed and lead away to Jail until his sentencing which won't take place for 2 months.
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Post by: aygart on April 20, 2021, 05:53:11 PM
Bail Has Been Revoked Pending sentencing so Derek Chauvin has been handcuffed and lead away to Jail until his sentencing which won't take place for 2 months.
That can potentially be required by state law.
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Post by: CountValentine on April 20, 2021, 05:55:13 PM
If found guilty will it be do not pass go, do not collect 200 and go straight to jail?
Bail Has Been Revoked Pending sentencing so Derek Chauvin has been handcuffed and lead away to Jail until his sentencing which won't take place for 2 months.
That can potentially be required by state law.
Prosecution asked for it.
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on April 20, 2021, 05:56:08 PM
Prosecution asked for it.
Correct
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Post by: aygart on April 20, 2021, 05:57:51 PM
Prosecution asked for it.
Of course.
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Post by: CountValentine on April 20, 2021, 06:04:03 PM
Of course.
Was pointing out if the state required him to go to jail they wouldn't have to ask for it.
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Post by: aygart on April 20, 2021, 06:07:53 PM
Was pointing out if the state required him to go to jail they wouldn't have to ask for it.
That depends on the exact language of the law, but most likely. The tweet is clearer that it makes the rules stricter which would mean that the judge needs to interpret the law that it applies here or something  along those lines.
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Post by: zh cohen on April 20, 2021, 09:58:45 PM
Was pointing out if the state required him to go to jail they wouldn't have to ask for it.

That tweet says that when the judge is deciding whether to grant bail, the calculation changes after a conviction. The state had to request that bail be revoked in order to set up a situation where the judge reconsiders his earlier decision, based on the new factors.

I think it is basically a formality for the state to request it. You'll notice that Chauvin's lawyer didn't even bother opposing the motion, as it is assumed that the request would be granted.
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Post by: CountValentine on April 20, 2021, 10:07:30 PM
That tweet says that when the judge is deciding whether to grant bail, the calculation changes after a conviction. The state had to request that bail be revoked in order to set up a situation where the judge reconsiders his earlier decision, based on the new factors.

I think it is basically a formality for the state to request it. You'll notice that Chauvin's lawyer didn't even bother opposing the motion, as it is assumed that the request would be granted.
All I am saying it is not automatic from what I have seen.
You expect the defense to object? The guy was just convicted of murder.  :)
If they had reason to believe this verdict would be overturned don't you think they would have objected?
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Post by: zh cohen on April 20, 2021, 10:12:06 PM
All I am saying it is not automatic from what I have seen.

Right. It's not automatic, but it is standard.

If they had reason to believe this verdict would be overturned don't you think they would have objected?

Nope. As mentioned in the tweet, once there is a guilty verdict it is very unlikely that bail be granted.
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Post by: CountValentine on April 20, 2021, 10:15:03 PM
Right. It's not automatic, but it is standard.

Nope. As mentioned in the tweet, once there is a guilty verdict it is very unlikely that bail be granted.
The odds are slim to none of being let out on bond after being convicted of murder.
Now if the judge felt there was a real chance of the verdict being overturned you don't think he let him out on bond?
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Post by: zh cohen on April 20, 2021, 10:16:04 PM
The odds are slim to none of being let out on bond after being convicted of murder.
Now if the judge felt there was a real chance of the verdict being overturned you don't think he let him out on bond?

I don't.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: CountValentine on April 20, 2021, 10:42:07 PM
I don't.
That would be cruel on the judges part.
Title: Re: Goerge floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: ChapsTheMatzav on April 20, 2021, 11:42:09 PM
Vile. Lock 'em up and throw away the keys.
Lock up who?? The cop who was doing his job?
Title: Re: Goerge floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: Lurker on April 20, 2021, 11:44:09 PM
Lock up who?? The cop who was doing his job?

If a frum Jew was resisting arrest, and he was handled the way Chauvin handled Floyd, would you still say the cop was just doing his job?
Title: Re: Goerge floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: CountValentine on April 20, 2021, 11:47:38 PM
If a frum Jew was resisting arrest, and he was handled the way Chauvin handled Floyd, would you still say the cop was just doing his job?
Not what am I going to post?  >:(
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Post by: Lurker on April 20, 2021, 11:55:38 PM
Not what am I going to post?  >:(

Get creative. I have faith in you!
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on April 21, 2021, 06:16:54 AM
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on April 21, 2021, 07:32:37 AM
Derek Chauvin was transferred to a maximum security prison where he has been placed on suicide watch after being found guilty on all three counts of murder and manslaughter in the death of George Floyd.
Title: Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
Post by: CountValentine on April 21, 2021, 07:33:49 AM
Derek Chauvin was transferred to a maximum security prison where he has been placed on suicide watch after being found guilty on all three counts of murder and manslaughter in the death of George Floyd.
SOP?
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Post by: aygart on April 21, 2021, 08:11:43 AM
MAybe I am missing something here, but what say or even input does the federal AG have in whether a plea deal is accepted on state charges?
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Post by: zh cohen on April 21, 2021, 08:16:18 AM

Did the guy even read the article before he tweeted it out?

Quote
But the deal fell apart, the Times reported, citing three law enforcement officials, because Barr worried that it was too early in the investigation and would be perceived as too lenient.
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Post by: CountValentine on April 21, 2021, 08:17:10 AM
MAybe I am missing something here, but what say or even input does the federal AG have in whether a plea deal is accepted on state charges?
Massive influence.
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Post by: A3 on April 21, 2021, 09:00:50 AM
Did the guy even read the article before he tweeted it out?
That thread.... talk about conspiracy theories
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on April 21, 2021, 09:10:25 AM
Did the guy even read the article before he tweeted it out?
Barr should have supported a lenient plea bargain for the public peace, raising the suspicion his real intention was for Chauvin to be found non guilty, as many conservative pundits appear to have predicted would happen in a trial.

You yourself are arguing he shouldnít have been found guilty and simultaneously justifying Barr for believing a second degree admission would be too lenient, you gotta make up your mind.
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Post by: Lurker on April 21, 2021, 09:14:24 AM
Barr should have supported a lenient plea bargain for the public peace, raising the suspicion his real intention was for Chauvin to be found non guilty, as many conservative pundits appear to have predicted would happen in a trial.

You yourself are arguing he shouldnít have been found guilty and simultaneously justifying Barr for believing a second degree admission would be too lenient, you gotta make up your mind.

IMO, supporting a lenient plea deal would have done more harm than good with regards to public peace.
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on April 21, 2021, 09:17:33 AM
IMO, supporting a lenient plea deal would have done more harm than good with regards to public peace.
Youíre saying the BLM riots wouldíve been worse than they were when Barr sabotaged the deal, which I find hard to believe, but everything is possible.
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Post by: CountValentine on April 21, 2021, 09:23:36 AM
Youíre saying the BLM riots wouldíve been worse than they were when Barr sabotaged the deal, which I find hard to believe, but everything is possible.
He probably means the capital riots.  :)
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Post by: aygart on April 21, 2021, 09:27:22 AM
Youíre saying the BLM riots wouldíve been worse than they were when Barr sabotaged the deal, which I find hard to believe, but everything is possible.
No he is talking about the thought process at the time.
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Post by: aygart on April 21, 2021, 09:28:21 AM
Massive influence.
Only as an influential person not as someone with real input.
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Post by: CountValentine on April 21, 2021, 09:35:57 AM
Only as an influential person not as someone with real input.
No he has/had real input. If don't believe that then I have a bridge for sale.  :)
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on April 21, 2021, 09:57:28 AM
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says Chauvin conviction in Floyd death is "not justice":

"I don't want this moment to be framed as this system working."
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on April 21, 2021, 10:45:30 AM
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says Chauvin conviction in Floyd death is "not justice":

"I don't want this moment to be framed as this system working."
Lol, did you intentionally omit the second half of her statement or do you just get your information from a source that manipulates reality?
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on April 21, 2021, 10:46:19 AM
He probably means the capital riots.  :)
Good one
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Post by: zh cohen on April 21, 2021, 01:56:18 PM
Barr should have supported a lenient plea bargain for the public peace, raising the suspicion his real intention was for Chauvin to be found non guilty, as many conservative pundits appear to have predicted would happen in a trial.


It would have been a lot easier for a plea deal to have been attacked as the "system protecting their own."

You yourself are arguing he shouldnít have been found guilty and simultaneously justifying Barr for believing a second degree admission would be too lenient, you gotta make up your mind.

This was early on, when, as I remember, at the time most conservatives said it looks like he's guilty (based on the video).

Also, Barr was worried that "it would be perceived as too lenient"
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on April 21, 2021, 02:43:26 PM
A black male, Andrew Brown, father of 10. fatally shot by Pasquotank County sheriffís deputy in North Carolina. The shooting occurred when officers were executing a search warrant.
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Post by: ChapsTheMatzav on April 29, 2021, 12:21:19 AM
If a frum Jew was resisting arrest, and he was handled the way Chauvin handled Floyd, would you still say the cop was just doing his job?
Are we talkin about a Frum Jew? Or are we talking about a drugged up criminal?
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Post by: S209 on April 29, 2021, 01:07:19 AM
Are we talkin about a Frum Jew? Or are we talking about a drugged up criminal?
Mutually exclusive?
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Post by: Ergel on April 29, 2021, 11:11:57 AM
Are we talkin about a Frum Jew? Or are we talking about a drugged up criminal?
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