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Title: All LY flights cancelled until further notice
Post by: tavster on July 01, 2020, 03:07:54 AM
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/el-al-cancels-all-flights-until-further-notice-633391
Title: Re: All LY flights cancelled until further notice
Post by: m65 on July 01, 2020, 05:08:53 AM
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001334219
Title: Re: All LY flights cancelled until further notice
Post by: Yonah on July 01, 2020, 09:45:38 AM
Of course this happens 48 hours after I buy my son a ticket. Spoke to chase (bought it with miles) - they told me that I can get an El-Al travel credit for my Son or pay the 270 cancellation fee.

Are those travel credits not transferable? Should I wait this out?
Title: Re: All LY flights cancelled until further notice
Post by: yochai on July 01, 2020, 09:57:39 AM
Of course this happens 48 hours after I buy my son a ticket. Spoke to chase (bought it with miles) - they told me that I can get an El-Al travel credit for my Son or pay the 270 cancellation fee.

Are those travel credits not transferable? Should I wait this out?
Wait till his flight is officially cancelled and get a full refund
Title: Re: All LY flights cancelled until further notice
Post by: Yonah on July 01, 2020, 10:01:25 AM
Wait till his flight is officially cancelled and get a full refund

Knowing El-Al, this won't happen until it's too late for me to get him on another flight. I am going to see if I can change the flight to my name without fees, and then if they don't cancel, take advantage of their covid policy
Title: Re: All LY flights cancelled until further notice
Post by: tavster on July 01, 2020, 10:04:25 AM
Knowing El-Al, this won't happen until it's too late for me to get him on another flight. I am going to see if I can change the flight to my name without fees, and then if they don't cancel, take advantage of their covid policy
What's the flight date?
Title: Re: All LY flights cancelled until further notice
Post by: Yonah on July 01, 2020, 10:10:07 AM
What's the flight date?

8/26
Title: Re: All LY flights cancelled until further notice
Post by: yochai on July 01, 2020, 10:28:08 AM
I am going to see if I can change the flight to my name without fees
Impossible to make name changes.
You can try switching to an earlier date which will more likely get cancelled.
Title: Re: All LY flights cancelled until further notice
Post by: Dan on July 01, 2020, 10:37:07 AM
Is this a strike or what?
Title: Re: All LY flights cancelled until further notice
Post by: tavster on July 01, 2020, 10:39:00 AM
Is this a strike or what?
Pilots went on strike, so management decided to call their bluff and suspend all flight and put the remaining pilots on leave..
Not a bad move given that pilots have been making unreasonable demands, imho
Title: Re: All LY flights cancelled until further notice
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 01, 2020, 10:49:19 AM
The pilots union is one of Elal's biggest problems, but the pilots are going to win this round. They have much less to lose than the shareholders, and are openly asking for nationalization.
Title: Re: All LY flights cancelled until further notice
Post by: Yonah on July 01, 2020, 10:53:51 AM
I think I will wait it out a couple of days to see what happens....
Title: Re: All LY flights cancelled until further notice
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 01, 2020, 10:56:31 AM
The government intends to bail them out one way or another so they won't stop flying in the long-term. The feud with the pilots may go on for a while.
Title: Re: All LY flights cancelled until further notice
Post by: ad120 on July 01, 2020, 11:01:27 AM
This is an embarassement.

Another reason why the State should let LY crash and burn. 
Title: Re: All LY flights cancelled until further notice
Post by: tavster on July 01, 2020, 11:10:11 AM
The government intends to bail them out one way or another so they won't stop flying in the long-term. The feud with the pilots may go on for a while.
Agree with long term
Because short term I feel that the government is more than happy to keep things close, with Israelis stuck in Israel for the summer holidays
Title: Re: All LY flights cancelled until further notice
Post by: JuryDuty on July 01, 2020, 11:10:36 AM
There's LY flights now from JFK to Austin and buffalo... I guess they have to drop off all the cargo before heading back to Israel
Title: Re: All LY flights cancelled until further notice
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 01, 2020, 11:28:11 AM
Agree with long term
Because short term I feel that the government is more than happy to keep things close, with Israelis stuck in Israel for the summer holidays
They’re probably going to run out of cash to meet lease payments soon.
Title: Re: All LY flights cancelled until further notice
Post by: Naftuli19 on July 01, 2020, 11:35:59 AM
Knowing El-Al, this won't happen until it's too late for me to get him on another flight. I am going to see if I can change the flight to my name without fees, and then if they don't cancel, take advantage of their covid policy
y cant you book a back up flight with an airline that has free cancellation?
Title: Re: All LY flights cancelled until further notice
Post by: yochai on July 01, 2020, 12:27:14 PM
y cant you book a back up flight with an airline that has free cancellation?
No airline has free cancellation. Only free changes or vouchers
Title: Re: All LY flights cancelled until further notice
Post by: Yonah on July 01, 2020, 01:40:11 PM
No airline has free cancellation. Only free changes or vouchers

That's my problem - I can get an elal credit in my son's name, or cancel for $270.

If I felt ELAL was going to bounce back, I might save that credit for a pesach ticket home, but is it more likely that they will resolve this by August, or that they won't  but resolve it later on?

I can't imagine ELAL bouncing back after 2 weeks of no flights. So I think I'll give it a couple of days.
Title: Re: All LY flights cancelled until further notice
Post by: etech0 on July 01, 2020, 01:42:02 PM
No airline has free cancellation. Only free changes or vouchers
Even if you book with miles?
Title: Re: All LY flights cancelled until further notice
Post by: Yonah on July 01, 2020, 01:43:04 PM
Even if you book with miles?

Book with Miles on ELAL :)

In all seriousness, I booked with Chase points. That is what chase told me.
Title: Re: All LY flights cancelled until further notice
Post by: etech0 on July 01, 2020, 01:45:48 PM
Book with Miles on ELAL :)

In all seriousness, I booked with Chase points. That is what chase told me.
Or another airline. I don't know, was just asking :)
Title: Re: All LY flights cancelled until further notice
Post by: Dan on July 01, 2020, 02:01:42 PM
Even if you book with miles?
Refundable.
Title: Re: All LY flights cancelled until further notice
Post by: Yonah on July 01, 2020, 05:10:39 PM
Refundable.

I assume you are referring to ELAL or partner miles (or maybe the type of ticket) I spoke with Chase, and they told me my only two options were get a credit voucher for the named traveler (expiring 12/31/2021) or pay $270 to cancel.

Title: Re: All LY flights cancelled until further notice
Post by: Naftuli19 on July 01, 2020, 05:30:46 PM
I assume you are referring to ELAL or partner miles (or maybe the type of ticket) I spoke with Chase, and they told me my only two options were get a credit voucher for the named traveler (expiring 12/31/2021) or pay $270 to cancel.
if u book directly with airline on points its refundable
Title: Re: All LY flights cancelled until further notice
Post by: Yonah on July 01, 2020, 05:55:42 PM
What if It's points plus cash - i.e. I don't have enough points to buy
Title: Re: All LY flights cancelled until further notice
Post by: Dan on July 01, 2020, 06:20:56 PM
I spoke with Chase, and they told me my only two options were get a credit voucher for the named traveler (expiring 12/31/2021) or pay $270 to cancel.
Chase doesn't have miles.
Title: Re: All LY flights cancelled until further notice
Post by: tavster on July 02, 2020, 06:33:09 AM
So much for calling the pilots' bluff   ::)

"The July commercial activity was planned out with great effort and the company intends to realize it fully, for this purpose there are active pilots and operating personnel," El Al said in a statement. "The flights are ready for staffing, and we expect the active pilots to take responsibility and agree to man the flights. It is a lie to say that El Al has stopped flights or decided not to fly for commercial reasons."

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/el-al-cancels-all-flights-until-further-notice-633391
Title: Re: All LY flights cancelled until further notice
Post by: ExGingi on July 02, 2020, 08:01:39 AM
Of course this happens 48 hours after I buy my son a ticket. Spoke to chase (bought it with miles) - they told me that I can get an El-Al travel credit for my Son or pay the 270 cancellation fee.

Are those travel credits not transferable? Should I wait this out?

I feel bad for you.

My niece who is a fairly frequent ELAL traveler just came to the US for the first time on United, saying her travel agent refused to sell her an ELAL ticket (now that's saying something!).
Title: Re: All LY flights cancelled until further notice
Post by: Yonah on July 02, 2020, 10:12:03 AM
Refundable.

When I try to book with Miles on Delta (or miles + cash to make up for the miles I don't have in my account) - I see this - it says nonrefundable...

Am I booking it wrong? Wrong type of ticket?
Title: Re: All LY flights cancelled until further notice
Post by: yochai on July 02, 2020, 10:28:33 AM
When I try to book with Miles on Delta (or miles + cash to make up for the miles I don't have in my account) - I see this - it says nonrefundable...

Am I booking it wrong? Wrong type of ticket?
I think that’s  the normal ticket rule. Not considering the COVID-19 waiver
Title: Re: All LY flights cancelled until further notice
Post by: Naftuli19 on July 02, 2020, 10:30:58 AM
When I try to book with Miles on Delta (or miles + cash to make up for the miles I don't have in my account) - I see this - it says nonrefundable...

Am I booking it wrong? Wrong type of ticket?
They have for 37,5 with a stop as well
Title: Re: All LY flights cancelled until further notice
Post by: Yonah on July 02, 2020, 10:53:01 AM
They have for 37,5 with a stop as well

Normally, I'd be okay with a stopover. Last thing I want is him being allowed to go to yeshiva only to have Misrad habriut say - "Oh, you stopped over in Paris? Rome? " - sorry you can't come in.
Title: Re: All LY flights cancelled until further notice
Post by: MosheD on July 09, 2020, 01:59:21 PM
I know I shouldnt hope for much, but is LY extending expiration on Matmid being that they have 0 flights or they dont give a....?
Title: Re: All LY flights cancelled until further notice
Post by: tavster on July 12, 2020, 01:45:54 AM
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/283387

Arutz Sheva: US yeshiva student seeks to buy El Al
Title: Re: All LY flights cancelled until further notice
Post by: shapsam on July 12, 2020, 02:03:14 AM
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/283387

Arutz Sheva: US yeshiva student seeks to buy El Al
Nice, what's his DDF handle?
Title: Re: All LY flights cancelled until further notice
Post by: tavster on July 16, 2020, 02:30:42 AM
All flights suspended until August 31st, and 6,100 employees to remain on unpaid leave until then
Title: Re: All LY flights cancelled until further notice
Post by: yandmk on July 16, 2020, 08:52:46 AM
All flights suspended until August 31st, and 6,100 employees to remain on unpaid leave until then
Source?
Just 2 days ago, LY booked one of my clients for the beginning of Aug, on a flight that's completely zeroed out. But obviously, it wasn't officially cancelled yet at that time.
Title: Re: All LY flights cancelled until further notice
Post by: yandmk on July 16, 2020, 08:52:56 AM
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-el-al-signs-pilots-agreement-with-histadrut-1001336021
Title: Re: All LY flights cancelled until further notice
Post by: tavster on July 16, 2020, 08:54:01 AM
Source?
Just 2 days ago, LY booked one of my clients for the beginning of Aug, on a flight that's completely zeroed out. But obviously, it wasn't officially cancelled yet at that time.
They announced on the Tel Aviv Stock Exchange this morning
Title: Re: All LY flights cancelled until further notice
Post by: tavster on July 16, 2020, 08:55:10 AM
Also here:
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/el-al-to-suspend-flights-until-end-of-august-635286
Title: Re: All LY flights cancelled until further notice
Post by: Ergel on July 16, 2020, 09:16:45 AM
Source?
Just 2 days ago, LY booked one of my clients for the beginning of Aug, on a flight that's completely zeroed out. But obviously, it wasn't officially cancelled yet at that time.
How did you let a client of yours book on El Al?
Title: Re: All LY flights cancelled until further notice
Post by: justmeha on August 05, 2020, 02:24:19 PM
Nice, what's his DDF handle?

@shapsam