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Title: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: haltkup on July 12, 2020, 06:35:02 PM
Just listened to Gov.Cuomo on schools and have the feeling that they will not be allowing schools to open in September.

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Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: shaulyaakov on July 12, 2020, 06:55:14 PM
We're nowhere close to having this under control. I don't see how schools can safely reopen at large.
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 12, 2020, 06:58:36 PM
It appears likely FL & TX will suffer an Italy style catastrophe and most schools in the country won't reopen.
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: shaulyaakov on July 12, 2020, 07:00:22 PM
It appears likely FL & TX will suffer an Italy style catastrophe and most schools in the country won't reopen.
You could call it an NYC style catastrophe at this point...
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 12, 2020, 07:01:35 PM
You could call it an NYC style catastrophe at this point...
Except I think it will be worse.
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: Dan on July 12, 2020, 07:08:24 PM
Was Italy worse than NYC?
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: CountValentine on July 12, 2020, 07:09:35 PM
Was Italy worse than NYC?
Sure seemed that way.
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: shaulyaakov on July 12, 2020, 07:10:46 PM
Was Italy worse than NYC?
I believe on a per capita basis, parts of Italy were worse than NYC. I don't believe there are documented cases in NYC of people who needed a ventilator being denied one, for example.
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 12, 2020, 07:12:25 PM
Was Italy worse than NYC?
I thought so. A lot of people in nursing homes dying isn't the same as widespread failure of hospitals resulting in many unnecessary deaths of 50 year olds
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: Dan on July 12, 2020, 07:13:41 PM
Sure seemed that way.
Italy population: 60.36MM
NY population: 19.45MM

Italy COVID deaths: 34.9K
NY COVID deaths: 32K
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Epicenters:

Lombardy population: 10.06MM
NYC population: 8.39MM

Lombardy COVID deaths: 16.7K
NYC COVID deaths: 22.8K
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: CountValentine on July 12, 2020, 07:17:40 PM
Italy population: 60.36MM
NY population: 19.45MM

Italy COVID deaths: 34.9K
NY COVID deaths: 32K
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Epicenters:

Lombardy population: 10.06MM
NYC population: 8.39MM

Lombardy COVID deaths: 16.7K
NYC COVID deaths: 22.8K
Would you happen to have how many cases?
All I was going on was the reports about hospitals and lockdowns.
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: shaulyaakov on July 12, 2020, 07:17:58 PM
Italy population: 60.36MM
NY population: 19.45MM

Italy COVID deaths: 34.9K
NY COVID deaths: 32K
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Epicenters:

Lombardy population: 10.06MM
NYC population: 8.39MM

Lombardy COVID deaths: 16.7K
NYC COVID deaths: 22.8K
Crazy. Didn't realize. And the NYC deaths are almost certainly under counted.
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: Dan on July 12, 2020, 07:19:30 PM
Would you happen to have how many cases?
All I was going on was the reports about hospitals and lockdowns.
Cases are fairly irreverent, especially back then when getting a test was basically impossible.
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: Dan on July 12, 2020, 07:20:00 PM
Crazy. Didn't realize. And the NYC deaths are almost certainly under counted.
COVID deaths in most places are undercounted.
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: CountValentine on July 12, 2020, 07:21:06 PM
Cases are fairly irreverent, especially back then when getting a test was basically impossible.
It does matter if the hospitals were overwhelmed and that cost lives.
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 12, 2020, 07:22:27 PM
One of the best ways to estimate total cases is to count the deaths and multiply that according to the IFR
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: Dan on July 12, 2020, 07:22:47 PM
It does matter if the hospitals were overwhelmed and that cost lives.
So you want to know hospitalization/ICU numbers, not COVID positive case numbers.
And how full hospitals and ICUs were.

That's tougher data to dig up, where's @TimT anyway?
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: Dan on July 12, 2020, 07:23:33 PM
One of the best ways to estimate total cases is to count the deaths and multiply that according to the IFR
Right, but that assumes each location has the same undercounting of COVID deaths when in reality it varies greatly.
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: CountValentine on July 12, 2020, 07:25:16 PM
So you want to know hospitalization/ICU numbers, not COVID positive case numbers.
And how full hospitals and ICUs were.

That's tougher data to dig up, where's @TimT anyway?
That would work better but thought it was asking to much.
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: shaulyaakov on July 12, 2020, 07:28:33 PM
Right, but that assumes each location has the same undercounting of COVID deaths when in reality it varies greatly.
Also, it's pretty likely that NYC had a greater death rate than most places.
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: ah giten on July 12, 2020, 07:43:59 PM
Sure seemed that way.
It only seemed that way because the party of the Governer.

If FL will be half as bad as NYC, it"ll sure "seem" to be worse than Italy.

I know you know this, but just pointing it out.
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: CountValentine on July 12, 2020, 07:52:50 PM
It only seemed that way because the party of the Governer.

If FL will be half as bad as NYC, it"ll sure "seem" to be worse than Italy.
 
I know you know this, but just pointing it out.
My answer had nothing to with politics and everything to do with news reports I had seen.
How did FL get into this? Even with FL record numbers each day they are no where near NYC so far.
I don't see ANY state seeming to be as bad as Italy!!!
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: yesitsme on July 12, 2020, 09:55:11 PM
in away its better to keep it closed,
rather then saying you can have busing 5 children per bus with masks etc, keep it closed and let the buses roll
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: Lurker on July 12, 2020, 10:24:37 PM
As long as teachers are union and you have no way of keeping them safe, schools won't open, regardless of the risk to children.
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: yaakov35 on July 13, 2020, 12:09:21 PM
Cuomo said schools can open as long as infection rate is under 5% on a 14 day rolling average. And the region has to be in phase 4.
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: avromie7 on July 13, 2020, 12:19:42 PM
Cuomo said schools can open as long as infection rate is under 5% on a 14 day rolling average. And the region has to be in phase 4.
All has to do is not move to phase 4 or move back from phase 4 if he doesn't want to allow them to open.
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: NTorch on July 13, 2020, 12:56:36 PM
Feel like this question will vary greatly on a state by state basis, and if Cuomo's statement is accurate, it will also vary by the region of the state.
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on July 13, 2020, 01:01:08 PM
An honest question: what do we tell people who are legitimately afraid to either come in to teach and/or send their kids to school?
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: Lurker on July 13, 2020, 01:05:31 PM
Feel like this question will vary greatly on a state by state basis, and if Cuomo's statement is accurate, it will also vary by the region of the state.

It will also be a very fluid situation, and if schools do open, parents need to be prepared that they may not stay that way.
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: momo on July 13, 2020, 01:07:42 PM
An honest question: what do we tell people who are legitimately afraid to either come in to teach and/or send their kids to school?
Dont come?
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: CountValentine on July 13, 2020, 01:15:15 PM
An honest question: what do we tell people who are legitimately afraid to either come in to teach and/or send their kids to school?
Try and get the best information you can to make your decision then stand by it.
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: etech0 on July 13, 2020, 01:20:05 PM
The question is if there will be remote learning options for them
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: avromie7 on July 13, 2020, 01:30:17 PM
An honest question: what do we tell people who are legitimately afraid to either come in to teach?
The same thing you tell people with any other job.
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: avromie7 on July 13, 2020, 01:34:47 PM
All has to do is not move to phase 4 or move back from phase 4 if he doesn't want to allow them to open.
Or he'll stop requiring nursing home staff with antibodies get tested twice a week.
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: etech0 on July 13, 2020, 01:40:47 PM
Cuomo said schools can open as long as infection rate is under 5% on a 14 day rolling average. And the region has to be in phase 4.
Is the 5% the number of infected people / the whole population? Or that < 5% of tests are positive?
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: mochjas on July 13, 2020, 01:42:42 PM
Cuomo said schools can open as long as infection rate is under 5% on a 14 day rolling average. And the region has to be in phase 4.
Is there a phase 5? NYC is scheduled to be in phase 4 next monday...
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: grodnoking on July 13, 2020, 01:46:36 PM
Is there a phase 5? NYC is scheduled to be in phase 4 next monday...
They'll be unlimited phases until Coumo is out of office.
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: aygart on July 13, 2020, 03:15:30 PM
The same thing you tell people with any other job.
Without labor laws
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: etech0 on July 13, 2020, 04:29:29 PM
The same thing you tell people with any other job.
What about the students?
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: avromie7 on July 13, 2020, 04:32:55 PM
What about the students?
That's a totally different question. It should be just like customers at any business, if you don't want to go don't go. Maybe the schools can offer remote learning for those who want.
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: CountValentine on July 20, 2020, 01:49:41 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/people-this-age-are-more-infectious-covid-19-study-finds/ar-BB16XV2U?li=BBnb7Kz
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: Mtrasb on July 20, 2020, 02:27:14 PM
Are children physically capable of staying home any longer?

Education. Many private schools offered virtual learning but public schools didn't. Are we prepared to cripple an entire generation?

What about children that rely extensively on the school environment? Those that suffer from less than ideal family conditions whether because of mental illness, abuse, neglect etc. School is their safe haven. What will be when they are deprived of that too?

Much has to be considered when forcing schools to close. It is no simple decision. Can we trust those in charge to take into account the above issues?
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: CountValentine on July 20, 2020, 03:10:37 PM
It is no simple decision.
+1000
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: CountValentine on July 20, 2020, 03:11:59 PM
Anyone that says all schools must close/open is a complete idiot.
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: gozalim on July 21, 2020, 07:32:40 PM
what are the few unanswered questions most relevant to opening schools?
can studies be started to address those?
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: gozalim on July 21, 2020, 09:05:33 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/people-this-age-are-more-infectious-covid-19-study-finds/ar-BB16XV2U?li=BBnb7Kz
what this article misses is that this study was limited to symptomatic children
(see the other article on this study posted recently)
similar limitation on the swiss study on children's viral load, was specifically symptomatic children

I don't know if data exists on the percentage of children that are symptomatic, or on the infectiousness of asymptomatic children
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: stooges44 on July 23, 2020, 10:31:31 AM
My boys school just said they will be open like normal!!!!!!!!!!!

BARUCH HASHEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quote
These preparations are focused on three areas: Health and safety; curriculum planning to compensate for lost class time; and, most importantly, our stellar chinuch, rooted in the relationship between rebbi/morah and talmid.

According to New York State’s guidelines for the reopening of schools, the following will be required:

    Staff and students will be surveyed daily and their temperature will be checked. Any person exhibiting Covid-19 symptoms will be asked to remain home.
    Masks must be worn in all common areas.
    Frequent washing or disinfection of hands.
    Maintaining social distance as much as possible.
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: DarcheiParent on July 23, 2020, 11:01:54 AM
Yeshiva Darchei Torah - Far Rockaway

Dear Parents, עמו"ש:

We are excited to share the great news: Be’ezras Hashem, Yeshiva Darchei Torah will be reopening for regular, in-person learning this Elul!

Rest assured that, under the direction of Rav Yaakov Bender, our administrators and menahelim are diligently preparing to open the Yeshiva in a manner as close to normal as possible, while fully complying with New York State’s guidelines and those of our medical advisors.

These preparations are focused on three areas: Health and safety; curriculum planning to compensate for lost class time; and, most importantly, our stellar chinuch, rooted in the relationship between rebbi/morah and talmid.

Please note that the following dates remain the same:
Medrash and Kollel begin on Sunday, August 23rd, ג' אלול
Mesivta Chaim Shlomo begins on Monday, August 24th,  ד' אלול
Grades 6-8 begin on Wednesday, September 2nd,  י"ג אלול
Grades 1-5 begin on Thursday, September 3rd, י"ד אלול 
Preschool classes will begin according to schedule as well.

Please keep in mind that New York State requires a 14-day period of quarantine for those who have traveled to Florida, California and 29 other states. No students returning from any of these states will be allowed in Yeshiva until after completing their quarantine. Please make your plans accordingly.

According to New York State’s guidelines for the reopening of schools, the following will be required:
Staff and students will be surveyed daily and their temperature will be checked. Any person exhibiting Covid-19 symptoms will be asked to remain home.
Masks must be worn in all common areas.
Frequent washing or disinfection of hands.
Maintaining social distance as much as possible.

Extensive cleaning and disinfection will be done throughout the Yeshiva campus, and other protocols will be put in place as well. This effort also includes contingency plans, should a change in circumstances warrant it.

Our hanhala will stay up-to-date with the latest guidance from government and medical authorities and will use that to implement the most efficient protocols for our talmidim’s learning, growth, and safety. As the opening dates approach, we will be sharing more specific protocols. If you have any questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to reach out to the hanhala at safety@darchei.org.

We daven and hope that everyone remains healthy and safe, and we look forward to an exciting and productive school year ahead.

Warmly,

Rabbi Eli Biegeleisen
Chairman, The Re-opening Committee
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: mercaz1 on July 23, 2020, 11:03:00 AM
it could all change if Cuomo says they cant open for in school learning
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: mochjas on July 23, 2020, 11:13:42 AM
it could all change if Cuomo says they cant open for in school learning
He already said they can open if you are in phase 4 or beyond, why would he change his mind?
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: DarcheiParent on July 23, 2020, 11:14:38 AM
it could all change if Cuomo says they cant open for in school learning
100%
This email is a little premature IMHO but I guess they want to keep the parent base optimistic and excited. This also 'justifies' them to continue charging regular tuition payments, registration fees, building fees, etc  ;)
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: DarcheiParent on July 23, 2020, 11:15:12 AM
He already said they can open if you are in phase 4 or beyond, why would he change his mind?
Have you met Governor Cuomo?
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: mochjas on July 23, 2020, 11:17:14 AM
Have you met Governor Cuomo?
no have you?
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: Kobe bryent on July 23, 2020, 11:17:58 AM
It appears likely FL & TX will suffer an Italy style catastrophe and most schools in the country won't reopen.
Another comment that won't age well.
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: DarcheiParent on July 23, 2020, 11:19:02 AM
no have you?
Yes.
There will be a phase 4.1, 4.2, 4.3...
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: Kobe bryent on July 23, 2020, 11:20:56 AM
Yes.
There will be a phase 4.1, 4.2, 4.3...
I don't see why one has to meet Cuomo in person to know this.
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: mercaz1 on July 23, 2020, 11:21:00 AM
He already said they can open if you are in phase 4 or beyond, why would he change his mind?

he also said previously that Phase 4 would include indoor dining which was changed
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: yaakov35 on July 28, 2020, 08:02:31 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/28/bill-gates-on-back-to-school-during-coronavirus-pandemic.html
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: yesitsme on August 04, 2020, 06:36:15 AM
Does Cuomo really think we keep our children in fish tanks till he decides its safe to open schools?
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: NTorch on August 07, 2020, 02:33:28 PM
Cuomo clears New York schools statewide to open, carefully
https://news.yahoo.com/cuomo-clears-york-schools-statewide-154321164.html
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: neveryou on August 07, 2020, 04:45:16 PM
Cuomo clears New York schools statewide to open, carefully
https://news.yahoo.com/cuomo-clears-york-schools-statewide-154321164.html
What changed his opinion?
Internall polling?
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: mochjas on August 07, 2020, 04:53:33 PM
What changed his opinion?
Internall polling?
nothing changed. He said a while ago as long as we are in stage 4 we can open schools
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: stooges44 on August 07, 2020, 05:04:25 PM
What changed his opinion?
Internall polling?

He took and is taking so much heat for the nursing home fiasco, he wants to put this on the local districts shoulders.
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: Jellybelly on August 07, 2020, 05:12:33 PM
He took and is taking so much heat for the nursing home fiasco, he wants to put this on the local districts shoulders.

Is he taking that from the Trump playbook? Let the local politicians figure it out
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: CountValentine on August 12, 2020, 02:38:51 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/georgia-high-school-closed-due-to-coronavirus-in-district-with-1k-in-quarantine/ar-BB17S7JL?li=BBnb7Kz
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: stooges44 on August 19, 2020, 09:20:14 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CEFr1WfFtSd/?igshid=1bb181cg2cenf

For those without instagram here's a link to the video

https://scontent-lga3-1.cdninstagram.com/v/t50.2886-16/118050780_304037227538671_7639743924277006864_n.mp4?_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.cdninstagram.com&_nc_cat=107&_nc_ohc=noaNHwCUlDwAX8am31C&oe=5F401ECE&oh=921c3bf877333bd866517d284f0d3004


Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: Traveler718 on September 15, 2020, 12:25:35 PM
https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2020/09/15/yeshiva-in-queens-shut-down-after-covid-outbreak-1316924
https://jewishweek.timesofisrael.com/students-at-ramaz-test-positive-for-covid-19/

But not so fast?

https://5townscentral.com/2020/09/15/read-it-important-message-from-rabbi-bender-regarding-rumors-of-shutdown-due-to-covid/
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: shaulyaakov on September 15, 2020, 12:33:20 PM
https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2020/09/15/yeshiva-in-queens-shut-down-after-covid-outbreak-1316924
https://jewishweek.timesofisrael.com/students-at-ramaz-test-positive-for-covid-19/

But not so fast?

https://5townscentral.com/2020/09/15/read-it-important-message-from-rabbi-bender-regarding-rumors-of-shutdown-due-to-covid/
This letter seems to imply they are transitioning to virtual.
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: Afrages6 on September 15, 2020, 01:51:39 PM
This letter seems to imply they are transitioning to virtual.
Not really. They are preparing for if they have too but they have no imminent plans to do so.
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: stooges44 on September 15, 2020, 04:35:21 PM
Not really. They are preparing for if they have too but they have no imminent plans to do so.

https://tjhlive.com/2020/09/15/official-darchei-will-be-closed-until-after-rosh-hashana/


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Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: cmey on September 15, 2020, 05:47:27 PM
https://tjhlive.com/2020/09/15/official-darchei-will-be-closed-until-after-rosh-hashana/


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Now you know why schools in Lakewood are not testing. That are not interested in having the government 3 ring circus make their decisions for them.
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: Euclid on September 15, 2020, 06:01:31 PM
Now you know why schools in Lakewood are not testing. That are not interested in having the government 3 ring circus make their decisions for them.
Their virtual option is also sorely lacking.
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: RewardsAddict on September 15, 2020, 08:02:54 PM
A preschool class in BYBP was shut down due to a teacher being exposed (not positive) to the virus.
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: Traveler718 on September 15, 2020, 08:19:52 PM
There are many classes in Flatbush/BP currently home in quarantine - in BY of 18th Avenue, Torah V'Daas (possibly 2 grades), Lev BY, Ohr Shraga Veretzky, Toras Emes Kaminetz, Masores, Bnos Yaakov, and that's just the ones I've heard of.

Sadly, one of the aforementioned classes was not planning to quarantine despite a positive test for a student until a class father, who is an infectious disease doctor, got into a big argument with the administration and gave them no choice. Heard from said class father.

And this is before everyone gets together for unmasked RH/YK/Simchas Torah. Someone said this could end up giving us a new p'shat in Yom K-Purim, r"l.
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: Euclid on September 15, 2020, 08:26:04 PM
Elementary school rebbe in Lakewood tested positive and they're continuing class in a shul with the rebbe behind plexiglass.
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: SayWhat on September 15, 2020, 09:56:46 PM
Now you know why schools in Lakewood are not testing. That are not interested in having the government 3 ring circus make their decisions for them.
Do you not think that maybe if there are positive cases in a class that for the safety of the boys, their families and all the people that they may come into contact with that maybe the classmates should be quarantined and tested before going back to school? These decisions should not be about the government it should be about our safety.
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: cmey on September 15, 2020, 10:05:23 PM
Do you not think that maybe if there are positive cases in a class that for the safety of the boys, their families and all the people that they may come into contact with that maybe the classmates should be quarantined and tested before going back to school? These decisions should not be about the government it should be about our safety.
Safety of the boys is a non starter. The number of fatalities among children is beyond negligible. As far as potential spread to rabbeim and families, that  really depends on your outlook. If you are comfortable with 0 deaths and 3 hospitalizations in Lakewood out of close to 1000 cases over the past few weeks, and/ or feel that spread to those who haven’t yet been infected is inevitable sooner or later, that is going to factor into your approach.
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: SayWhat on September 15, 2020, 10:22:10 PM
Safety of the boys is a non starter. The number of fatalities among children is beyond negligible. As far as potential spread to rabbeim and families, that  really depends on your outlook. If you are comfortable with 0 deaths and 3 hospitalizations in Lakewood out of close to 1000 cases over the past few weeks, and/ or feel that spread to those who haven’t yet been infected is inevitable sooner or later, that is going to factor into your approach.
What I am concerned about is a return to the March/April numbers (and deaths C'V). Do I know that if we do nothing that is where we are heading? No I don't know that, but that is a reasonable concern. So do we do nothing and hope that doesn't happen again or do we take the measures now when the numbers are still small to try and prevent us from possibly heading someplace where we have been and don't want to go again?

With this virus you need to be proactive not reactive.

   
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: avromie7 on September 16, 2020, 10:05:18 AM
Do you not think that maybe if there are positive cases in a class that for the safety of the boys, their families and all the people that they may come into contact with that maybe the classmates should be quarantined and tested before going back to school? These decisions should not be about the government it should be about our safety.
What does this have to do with a school being closed down.
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: avromie7 on September 16, 2020, 10:07:29 AM
What I am concerned about is a return to the March/April numbers (and deaths C'V). Do I know that if we do nothing that is where we are heading? No I don't know that, but that is a reasonable concern. So do we do nothing and hope that doesn't happen again or do we take the measures now when the numbers are still small to try and prevent us from possibly heading someplace where we have been and don't want to go again?

With this virus you need to be proactive not reactive.

 
Any logical person realizes it's impossible for us to get to what happened in March/April for many reasons including at risk people taking precautions and the fact that there is some level of immunity.
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: cmey on September 18, 2020, 02:34:49 AM
Now you know why schools in Lakewood are not testing. That are not interested in having the government 3 ring circus make their decisions for them.
And it sound like NYC is going to keep them closed for a long time. When you factor in Sukkos, pretty much no school for these kids for a month straight. Lakewood schools are looking really smart for the way they are handling this.
https://5townscentral.com/2020/09/17/forced-to-close-through-yom-kippur-updated-letter-from-yeshiva-darchei-torah/
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: good sam on September 18, 2020, 06:44:04 AM
Any logical person realizes it's impossible for us to get to what happened in March/April for many reasons including at risk people taking precautions and the fact that there is some level of immunity.
Impossible he says
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: Euclid on September 18, 2020, 07:47:00 AM
And it sound like NYC is going to keep them closed for a long time. When you factor in Sukkos, pretty much no school for these kids for a month straight. Lakewood schools are looking really smart for the way they are handling this.
https://5townscentral.com/2020/09/17/forced-to-close-through-yom-kippur-updated-letter-from-yeshiva-darchei-torah/
You know what would've been even smarter? Pushing for restrictions at weddings.
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: Ergel on September 18, 2020, 08:31:40 AM
Any logical person realizes it's impossible for us to get to what happened in March/April for many reasons including at risk people taking precautions and the fact that there is some level of immunity.
Does anyone else find this to be the height of hubris and lack of emunah in koach haboreh?
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: aygart on September 18, 2020, 08:48:10 AM
And it sound like NYC is going to keep them closed for a long time. When you factor in Sukkos, pretty much no school for these kids for a month straight. Lakewood schools are looking really smart for the way they are handling this.
https://5townscentral.com/2020/09/17/forced-to-close-through-yom-kippur-updated-letter-from-yeshiva-darchei-torah/

Do you really think that nobody is going to figure it out? What happens when they do?
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: cmey on September 18, 2020, 09:09:27 AM
Do you really think that nobody is going to figure it out? What happens when they do?
There are two benefits to going under the radar. If there is limited Covid activity the school can continue uninterrupted. Even in the event the kids end up testing and come back with positive results, a Lakewood school with the covid numbers that YDT had would likely send those specific classes home for a week or so, and allow the hundreds (or thousands) of other students to continue to learn uninterrupted.

If someone “figures it out” they are no worse off than YDT.
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: Lurker on September 18, 2020, 09:14:35 AM
If someone “figures it out” they are no worse off than YDT.

When, not if, someone figures it out, the chillul Hashem will be massive. All the conspiracies about hospitals killing people will become a very real concern. The local anti-Semites will multiply their numbers, putting Jewish lives at risk and Jewish agendas nearly impossible to achieve. Don't kid yourself: there will be a very real price to pay. Nothing in life is free.
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: aygart on September 18, 2020, 09:25:46 AM
There are two benefits to going under the radar. If there is limited Covid activity the school can continue uninterrupted. Even in the event the kids end up testing and come back with positive results, a Lakewood school with the covid numbers that YDT had would likely send those specific classes home for a week or so, and allow the hundreds (or thousands) of other students to continue to learn uninterrupted.

If someone “figures it out” they are no worse off than YDT.

This is nothing but delusional. When they figure it out you can expect to be seeing a large state police presence in Lakewood daily. How do you think they will take to BMG?
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: Yard sale on September 18, 2020, 10:08:14 AM
They are actually currently quite aware of the situation unfortunately.
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: Lurker on September 18, 2020, 10:19:40 AM
They are actually currently quite aware of the situation unfortunately.

Aware of an uptick or aware of the full scale?
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: Yard sale on September 18, 2020, 10:42:07 AM
Aware of an uptick or aware of the full scale?
They know that there is a significant issue
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: moko on September 18, 2020, 11:38:09 AM
Does anyone else find this to be the height of hubris and lack of emunah in koach haboreh?
+100
And the flip side as well that a second wave is inevitable....
Food for thought when saying מי במגיפה
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: avromie7 on September 18, 2020, 11:54:47 AM
Does anyone else find this to be the height of hubris and lack of emunah in koach haboreh?
Huh? If anything, saying WE can stop the pandemic is the height of hubris and lack of emunah in koach haboreh.
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: Dan on September 18, 2020, 12:13:20 PM
Huh? If anything, saying WE can stop the pandemic is the height of hubris and lack of emunah in koach haboreh.
Wow. So do you not wash your hands or wear a seatbelt?
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: aygart on September 18, 2020, 12:24:53 PM
Wow. So do you not wash your hands or wear a seatbelt?

Mitigate risk and stop are not the same thing. But then again low risk and impossible are also not the same thing.
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: avromie7 on September 18, 2020, 12:29:51 PM
Wow. So do you not wash your hands or wear a seatbelt?
That's not what I said and it's not what I intended to say. If you followed the conversation maybe you would understand. My original response was to someone who was worried that we'd end where we were in March/April. I responded that it's impossible for us to get to where we were in March/April, not because I believe G-D can't do it, but because based on the situation al pi derech hateva we won't end up there. For some reason @Ergel considered that to be "height of hubris and lack of emunah in koach haboreh" which led to my last post.
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: aygart on September 18, 2020, 12:34:03 PM
That's not what I said and it's not what I intended to say. If you followed the conversation maybe you would understand. My original response was to someone who was worried that we'd end where we were in March/April. I responded that it's impossible for us to get to where we were in March/April, not because I believe G-D can't do it, but because based on the situation al pi derech hateva we won't end up there. For some reason @Ergel considered that to be "height of hubris and lack of emunah in koach haboreh" which led to my last post.
Mutation? Immunity wearing off?
Title: Re: Will Schools be Opening in September?
Post by: avromie7 on September 18, 2020, 01:26:12 PM
Mutation? Immunity wearing off?
Ok, maybe I should've said nearly impossible. The problem is I would have others here pouncing that any chance is too much.