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Title: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Something Fishy on July 19, 2020, 06:21:35 PM
Surprised there's no thread on this yet...

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WELCOME! NEW CHASSIDISHE COMMUNITY IN TAMPA BAY, FLORIDA

We would like to inform the public that this project is seriously underway, and we are in the final steps of our negotiations with developers and local county officials to ensure the newcomers, the most economical, and efficient “Relocation to Florida”!

Underway with developer is:

A development with 2,500 homes (mix of townhouses, 40 lot, 50 lot, 60 lot single family homes) available to be completed by Pesach 2021.

We are working to finalize Exact Homes Cost and Design to include kosher kitchen, pesach kitchen, proper dining room, etc

Public facilities, Main Shul, small shuls, Mikva, School and Cheder. All within the community.
(as for the school and cheder, Limudei Kodesh will be in Yiddish and Limudei Chol will be at mandatory state level, as receiving funds from private school scholarships, as Step-Up program)

Shopping Center catered to our needs will be part of this community as well. (opportunities available)

Underway with local and state officials is:

Substantial financial assistance for first time homebuyers and primary residence buyers are being made available from local county and state officials.

Starting a business, or Relocating an existing business, purchasing grants, payroll grants, and many business-related incentives are available. Additional Incentives for E-Commerce businesses.

We have secured with Local businesses and philanthropists many good paying positions, employment opportunities, as well as small business opportunities for the self starter.

Relocating to Florida will be at an unbelievable cost, at under $30,000.00. (Down payment and moving included)

Please call or email us to set up an appointment.
We request only serious participants to book appointments as time is limited.

Email: floridamove2021@gmail.com
Residential Homes appointments call: 718-854-1217
Business Opportunities appointments call: 718-854-1217

Thank you,

Malka Taussig
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mendyt on July 19, 2020, 06:23:28 PM
Surprised there's no thread on this yet...
I mentioned it in another thread
I have a meeting set up for this week...  Lets see if something happens from this..
Are you interested? That will make it a bit easier for my daughter. LOL
Chasidish Kehila opening in FL.

Fill out the form and send it back, if you have an interest in it.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Something Fishy on July 19, 2020, 06:24:39 PM
I mentioned it in another thread
I have a meeting set up for this week...  Lets see if something happens from this..

Definitely warrants a separate thread IMO.

Keep us updated!
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mendyt on July 19, 2020, 06:25:56 PM
Definitely warrants a separate thread IMO.

Keep us updated!
Absolutely!

I will update iyh.

I really wonder if it will work out this time...
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Something Fishy on July 19, 2020, 06:27:03 PM
Absolutely!

I will update iyh.

I really wonder if this will work out this time...

Hope it will. High time we got ourselves out of the tri state area.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Jellybelly on July 19, 2020, 06:51:53 PM
I wish they could do this somewhere I drop closer. Is there no decent area within a 5 hr drive of the tristate? Pennsylvania?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: yitzgar on July 19, 2020, 06:55:32 PM
I wish they could do this somewhere I drop closer. Is there no decent area within a 5 hr drive of the tristate? Pennsylvania?
The purpose is to be further away
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on July 19, 2020, 07:00:10 PM
There are literally no Jews there. Asking for major culture shock.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Jellybelly on July 19, 2020, 07:02:06 PM
There are literally no Jews there. Asking for major culture shock.
Not if they’re building their own inclusive village
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Dan on July 19, 2020, 07:05:41 PM
I wish they could do this somewhere I drop closer. Is there no decent area within a 5 hr drive of the tristate? Pennsylvania?
Rip off the bandaid.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: yitzgar on July 19, 2020, 07:05:50 PM
Not if they’re building their own inclusive village
That is what new Yorkers think wherever they go...
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Mikeoracle on July 19, 2020, 07:59:45 PM
Which chassidus or what "level" off chassidish is this targeted towards?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Jellybelly on July 19, 2020, 08:06:23 PM
Which chassidus or what "level" off chassidish is this targeted towards?
Wondering the same, and if there’s hadracha or is it gonna be a free for all
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mendyt on July 19, 2020, 08:08:45 PM
I will iyh address these questions when I meet them.

But I dont think its geared towards a specific chasidus.
That would be disastrous and end up just like all the other failed communities
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: KSMH on July 19, 2020, 08:20:17 PM
I will iyh address these questions when I meet them.

But I dont think its geared towards a specific chasidus.
That would be disastrous and end up just like all the other failed communities
The only new successful communities for Jewish ppl in the usa and outside, were ones that were geared toward a specific group.

If I'm missing something please let me know.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Jellybelly on July 19, 2020, 08:21:56 PM
Yea I hope they get a good Rav/manhig
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mendyt on July 19, 2020, 08:25:19 PM
The only new successful communities for Jewish ppl in the usa and outside, were ones that were geared toward a specific group.

If I'm missing something please let me know.

Look at Bloomingrove, Blumingburg, Viznits in Kiamesha Lake,  would you consider these communities successful?!

Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: KSMH on July 19, 2020, 08:27:32 PM
Look at Bloomingrove, Blumingburg, Viznits in Kiamesha Lake,  would you consider these communities successful?!
I didn't say all were successful but did say the ones that were had that component to it.

Also, how do you define success?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mendyt on July 19, 2020, 08:32:25 PM
I didn't say all were successful but did say the ones that were had that component to it.

Also, how do you define success?
I would define success if it's a community that keeps on growing and people want to join it, plus it has their own mosdos and everything around it.
All these communities have their 100-150 families and that's where it ended.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ExGingi on July 19, 2020, 08:34:49 PM
Hope it will. High time we got ourselves out of the tri state area.

So did you sign up as a founding member?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: KSMH on July 19, 2020, 08:34:57 PM
I would define success if it's a community that keeps on growing and people want to join it, plus it has their own mosdos and everything around it.
All these communities have their 100-150 families and that's where it ended.
My point of, the successful one's happen to be those geared towards a specific community, still stands. Its possible some failed [according to some people's designation], but the ones that succeeded had those components.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on July 19, 2020, 08:40:50 PM
I wish they could do this somewhere I drop closer. Is there no decent area within a 5 hr drive of the tristate? Pennsylvania?

Different people have tried to do versions of this in PA, DE, MD, andVA over the last 15 years that know of. A few times they got very close, with houses actually under construction, before falling apart. Many times, education was a big issue with local governments. This group seems to have reached a compromise with local authorities, so I believe they have a better chance at success.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mendyt on July 19, 2020, 08:44:42 PM
My point of, the successful one's happen to be those geared towards a specific community, still stands. Its possible some failed [according to some people's designation], but the ones that succeeded had those components.
I dont know which community you have in mind, but I'm not aware of any besides in Israel which you cant compare.
And we need a solution for all chasidim not just one group, that doesnt help in any way.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: KSMH on July 19, 2020, 08:46:48 PM
I dont know which community you have in mind, but I'm not aware of any besides in Israel which you cant compare.
And we need a solution for all chasidim not just one group, that doesnt help in any way.
I dont have anything specific in mind, but the general concept.

Instead of looking for new communities and fancy marketing from brokers, find a place that u can call home without the hype.

There are enough out there.

Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mushkovits on July 19, 2020, 09:40:13 PM
My point of, the successful one's happen to be those geared towards a specific community, still stands. Its possible some failed [according to some people's designation], but the ones that succeeded had those components.
Heard of Staten Island?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: yungermanchik on July 19, 2020, 09:44:04 PM
Heard of Staten Island?
That wasn't truly making a new community. It was taking over an existing YI community and expanding it.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ah giten on July 19, 2020, 09:49:25 PM
Look at Bloomingrove, Blumingburg, Viznits in Kiamesha Lake,  would you consider these communities successful?!
All of these are growing, might be a longer process, but look at KJ, is that called success?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 19, 2020, 09:50:44 PM
All of these are growing, might be a longer process, but look at KJ, is that called success?
wild success
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Something Fishy on July 19, 2020, 09:55:12 PM
All of these are growing, might be a longer process, but look at KJ, is that called success?

LOL, you're comparing Gibbers to KJ?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: points 99 on July 19, 2020, 09:55:36 PM
wild success
was that and/or
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: KSMH on July 19, 2020, 10:07:30 PM
Heard of Staten Island?
Wasnt it at first only a specific group moving there + its next door to BP, they utilize all its services.

It can be faster to go from SI to BP then from one side of Lakewood to the other.

I would not consider that a totally new community.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mordechain on July 19, 2020, 11:23:00 PM
Is it really feasible to find 2500 families to pick up and move somewhere where they need to fly to see the rest of their families? Every Simcha , a flight? Siblings wedding up to a dozen tickets?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mendyt on July 19, 2020, 11:44:43 PM
Is it really feasible to find 2500 families to pick up and move somewhere where they need to fly to see the rest of their families? Every Simcha , a flight? Siblings wedding up to a dozen tickets?
I believe 2500 is a fantasy
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ah giten on July 20, 2020, 01:13:38 AM
LOL, you're comparing Gibbers to KJ?
No, Gibbers was a failure till now. But has potential now that there is a rebbi.

And KJ was also a failure in the beginning, everything takes time.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: zh cohen on July 20, 2020, 08:17:27 AM

All these communities have their 100-150 families and that's where it ended.

I don't know about the others, but Bloomingburg is over 200 and growing. The reason it hasn't been growing quicker is because of the legal troubles...
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mushkovits on July 20, 2020, 02:34:50 PM
Wasnt it at first only a specific group moving there + its next door to BP, they utilize all its services.

It can be faster to go from SI to BP then from one side of Lakewood to the other.

I would not consider that a totally new community.
Was never for a specific group.
Your point about the proximity to BP is irrelevant to the original argument
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: KSMH on July 20, 2020, 02:39:35 PM


Your point about the proximity to BP is irrelevant to the original argument
In your opinion.
It's similar to ppl from Lakewood moving to areas such as royal grove in TR.

SI is NYC and ppl there utilized all its services at one time or another. So it's not like a totally new independent community but more like an extension of of BP...

Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: yungermanchik on July 20, 2020, 02:40:05 PM
Your point about the proximity to BP is irrelevant to the original argument
IIUC He was saying that it's not truly a new community, but rather a sorta expansion of BP. So, therefore, Willowbrook is not really relevant to a discussion about brand new communities, which by large have only been successful with single chassiduses.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: dsw193 on July 20, 2020, 04:02:28 PM
I believe 2500 is a fantasy
See whats going on in orlando since start of covid.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: haltkup on July 20, 2020, 04:06:15 PM
ive found that most successful communities were built around a yeshiva
Monsey had BME
Lakewood had BMG
KJ had the Satmar yeshivah
to a lesser extent even Cleveland had Telz

in general Litvaks that move out only need a BM to keep the community feel together while chasidim(x lubavitch) must have a spiritual guide. without one it becomes a more bummy atmosphere with little hope of expansion.
The best of both worlds is when the litvaks build a strong torah foundation and then the chasidim come in and add the chesed infrastructures and commerce....
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ah giten on July 20, 2020, 05:20:35 PM
the communities that succeeded after WW2 are places that had a good leader, a Rebbi or a Rosh Yeshiva, all others went מטה מטה. AFAIK.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mushkovits on July 20, 2020, 05:59:29 PM
In your opinion.
It's similar to ppl from Lakewood moving to areas such as royal grove in TR.

SI is NYC and ppl there utilized all its services at one time or another. So it's not like a totally new independent community but more like an extension of of BP...
From a chusids point of view Staten Island is just as new as a community as Tampa or whatever it may be. Obviously SI has the benefit of proximity just as Tampa I’m sure has its own benefits. What I meant to bring out is that SI -for the chasidim- are a complete new community and was a complete success without any Rebbe or the likes.
From what I know having Young Israel there  didn’t help out an iota.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: avromie7 on July 20, 2020, 06:10:45 PM
From a chusids point of view Staten Island is just as new as a community as Tampa or whatever it may be. Obviously SI has the benefit of proximity just as Tampa I’m sure has its own benefits. What I meant to bring out is that SI -for the chasidim- are a complete new community and was a complete success without any Rebbe or the likes.
From what I know having Young Israel there  didn’t help out an iota.
It wasn't a strictly YI community before the chassidim moved in took over either. There was always a pretty nice mix.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mushkovits on July 20, 2020, 09:34:15 PM
It wasn't a strictly YI community before the chassidim moved in took over either. There was always a pretty nice mix.
Whatever mix it was, it was exotic for the chasidim and a new chasidish development.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mgarfin on July 21, 2020, 09:18:55 AM
No way in the world can you compare Staten island to Tampa

Staten island is a success, but

It relies on education from BP
It's  relies on grocery / shopping from BP
It's within short driving distance to family
Local government programs and politics are extremely known

Tampa has none of that
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mgarfin on July 21, 2020, 09:32:09 AM
On the discussion for the need of a Chasidus or a Ruv

A Chasidus can bring together people a different stages in there observance (for the lack of a better word)
In a Satmer cheder You have an extreme broad mixture of people.
That may not be obvious on the outside.

One of the biggest obstacles a new community faces is education. If it's attracts a very liberal crowd and the school is formed around that. Maybe come very hard to bring in frumer families. And the same around if it's is established around kollel guy's, working liberal guys may not want to move in.


A Chasidus for a dominant strong ruv can set a balance and allow people from all walks of life feel comfortable joining.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Boruch Parnes on July 21, 2020, 09:37:04 AM
I didn't say all were successful but did say the ones that were had that component to it.

Also, how do you define success?
bloominburg is growing   vishnitz is at its max 
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Chapshnell on July 21, 2020, 10:54:40 AM
From a chusids point of view Staten Island is just as new as a community as Tampa or whatever it may be. Obviously SI has the benefit of proximity just as Tampa I’m sure has its own benefits. What I meant to bring out is that SI -for the chasidim- are a complete new community and was a complete success without any Rebbe or the likes.
From what I know having Young Israel there  didn’t help out an iota.

Rabbi Pollack is an established rav there for 40+ years. A chasidishe rav
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: moko on July 21, 2020, 10:57:29 AM
Rabbi Pollack is an established rav there for 40+ years. A chasidishe rav
the Rav and his son the Rosh Kollel were very instrumental in making the new community a success.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mushkovits on July 21, 2020, 03:52:02 PM
No way in the world can you compare Staten island to Tampa

Staten island is a success, but

It relies on education from BP
It's  relies on grocery / shopping from BP
It's within short driving distance to family
Local government programs and politics are extremely known

Tampa has none of that

Absolutely these are exactly the strengths of SI. On the flip side a house in Tampa I would guess estimate is a 5th of the price if not more..
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: shaulyaakov on July 21, 2020, 07:08:03 PM
On the discussion for the need of a Chasidus or a Ruv

A Chasidus can bring together people a different stages in there observance (for the lack of a better word)
In a Satmer cheder You have an extreme broad mixture of people.
That may not be obvious on the outside.

One of the biggest obstacles a new community faces is education. If it's attracts a very liberal crowd and the school is formed around that. Maybe come very hard to bring in frumer families. And the same around if it's is established around kollel guy's, working liberal guys may not want to move in.


A Chasidus for a dominant strong ruv can set a balance and allow people from all walks of life feel comfortable joining.
They're teaching in Yiddish. That's severely limiting.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Something Fishy on July 21, 2020, 09:54:35 PM
That's severely limiting.

Yes indeed, by design.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: grodnoking on July 21, 2020, 10:11:32 PM
ive found that most successful communities were built around a yeshiva
Monsey had BME
Lakewood had BMG
KJ had the Satmar yeshivah
to a lesser extent even Cleveland had Telz

in general Litvaks that move out only need a BM to keep the community feel together while chasidim(x lubavitch) must have a spiritual guide. without one it becomes a more bummy atmosphere with little hope of expansion.
The best of both worlds is when the litvaks build a strong torah foundation and then the chasidim come in and add the chesed infrastructures and commerce....
The big spike in NMB now is mostly because of the kollel.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: grodnoking on July 21, 2020, 10:14:10 PM
They're teaching in Yiddish. That's severely limiting.
How do you teach state level english studies in yiddish?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: shaulyaakov on July 21, 2020, 10:17:36 PM
How do you teach state level english studies in yiddish?
Just reading OP. I assume secular studies in English.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Mikes@Micro on July 21, 2020, 11:23:16 PM
The big spike in NMB now is mostly because of the kollel.

And the reason why it's not growing faster is bc of the prohibitive costs.

Lakewood and Ner Yisroel have built a strong network of OOT community kollelim to help grow the cities.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Something Fishy on July 21, 2020, 11:32:58 PM
Just reading OP. I assume secular studies in English.

This
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: KSMH on July 21, 2020, 11:35:36 PM
Lakewood and Ner Yisroel have built a strong network of OOT community kollelim to help grow the cities.

Lakewood, LOL.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Mikes@Micro on July 21, 2020, 11:42:17 PM
Lakewood, LOL.
The Premier Lakewood Based Yeshiva, Beth Medeash Govoha.....

Register complaints on hefkeevelt.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Dr Moose on July 21, 2020, 11:43:14 PM
I don't know about the others, but Bloomingburg is over 200 and growing. The reason it hasn't been growing quicker is because of the legal troubles...
At this point, their legal troubles are over. There's not enough people moving there. They haven't built new houses in many years, only 1/4 of the allowed houses are built so far.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Something Fishy on July 21, 2020, 11:58:12 PM
At this point, their legal troubles are over. There's not enough people moving there. They haven't built new houses in many years, only 1/4 of the allowed houses are built so far.

I can't speak to the community at large, but I have a friend living there who's only in it for the חלק שמונה. He's planning on leaving as soon as he's able.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Mikes@Micro on July 22, 2020, 12:10:45 AM
I can't speak to the community at large, but I have a friend living there who's only in it for the חלק שמונה. He's planning on leaving as soon as he's able.
+1
I think a Waterbury community was built on this. What's happening there now?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: yesitsme on July 22, 2020, 01:50:13 AM
I can't speak to the community at large, but I have a friend living there who's only in it for the חלק שמונה. He's planning on leaving as soon as he's able.
https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%A7%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%99%D7%AA_%D7%A9%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%A0%D7%94
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ad120 on July 22, 2020, 02:02:44 AM
No chance this ever happens for too many reasons to write.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ExGingi on July 22, 2020, 08:04:49 AM
I can't speak to the community at large, but I have a friend living there who's only in it for the חלק שמונה. He's planning on leaving as soon as he's able.
There's an advantage there for that? Where can one find out more?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Yonah on July 22, 2020, 08:53:09 AM
חלק שמונה

What is Chelek Shmoneh? Some extra cash for moving in to bolster the community?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Jellybelly on July 22, 2020, 08:55:33 AM
What is Chelek Shmoneh? Some extra cash for moving in to bolster the community?
Took me a min To get, but keep on thinking
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ExGingi on July 22, 2020, 08:56:13 AM
What is Chelek Shmoneh? Some extra cash for moving in to bolster the community?

If you don't know, you probably shouldn't know. Ignorance is bliss.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Yonah on July 22, 2020, 08:57:19 AM
There was a group in Yonkers some years back.

This one? https://www.lohud.com/story/news/religion/2017/02/03/yonkers-lincoln-park-jewish-center/97361298/

Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Dr Moose on July 22, 2020, 09:31:53 AM
I can't speak to the community at large, but I have a friend living there who's only in it for the חלק שמונה. He's planning on leaving as soon as he's able.
Yeah, there's plenty of people who rent for a few years. They aren't really part of the new development though, they're usually in rentals throughout the main part of town.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Dr Moose on July 22, 2020, 09:34:12 AM
There's an advantage there for that? Where can one find out more?
For sure. Up there it's a lot easier to get onto the list. Once you're there for a certain amount of time, you can transfer to anywhere else in the State and the benefits come along with you. 
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: gozalim on July 22, 2020, 09:46:25 AM
Don't think so. I think longer ago
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: zh cohen on July 22, 2020, 11:15:01 AM
At this point, their legal troubles are over. There's not enough people moving there. They haven't built new houses in many years, only 1/4 of the allowed houses are built so far.
They "won" but they are not fully over the fallout from the legal problems.
They didn't get C of Os on the houses they built until relatively recently. They are selling houses as quickly as they become available.
It's hard to build new homes when the developer is behind bars.

One indication that they are well established is that they stopped accepting outside kids to their school, something they had been allowing to fill up their classes.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: EliJelly on July 22, 2020, 11:28:32 AM
You can't really compare Tampa to Bloomingburg, SI, JC etc, as they all rely on NY's Jewish infrastructure. SI on BP, Bloomingburg on KJ and JC on Williamsburg. Tampa is a 4 hour drive from Miami, and even Miami lacks the facilities to accommodate a large new chassidish community. This is an undertaking on a whole new level.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Jellybelly on July 22, 2020, 11:44:43 AM
I’m not an accountant and I know nothing about taxes, but I wonder if people with established businesses in the tristate will open a 2nd branch in Tampa and be able to make that their main headquarters. Or atleast buy a second house and live there half the time
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: EliJelly on July 22, 2020, 11:46:41 AM
I’m not an accountant and I know nothing about taxes, but I wonder if people with established businesses in the tristate will open a 2nd branch in Tampa and be able to make that their main headquarters. Or atleast buy a second house and live there half the time
I know people already doing it, making FL their primary residence for this reason.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: zh cohen on July 22, 2020, 11:48:07 AM
I can't speak to the community at large, but I have a friend living there who's only in it for the חלק שמונה. He's planning on leaving as soon as he's able.

The name for it is שנה ופירש'ניקס. And they discourage it in Bloomingburg (for example, the kollel doesn't pay those guys).
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Jellybelly on July 22, 2020, 11:49:35 AM
Right but this might make it easier/cheaper for people to do it, and I would think it’s a win win for everyone,
besides New York that would lose on tax collections, but they deserve it
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: avromie7 on July 22, 2020, 11:57:01 AM
Or atleast buy a second house and live there half the time
This is impossible for anyone raising a family.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: YitzyS on July 22, 2020, 12:10:07 PM
I wonder if this is the real story behind this community?  ;) (from Purim)


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Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mendyt on July 23, 2020, 01:41:44 AM
I drove to BP today and met with the organizers, I will post some info tomorrow iy"h.
Let's see if we can get some DDF'ers on board  8)
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Mikes@Micro on July 23, 2020, 11:00:01 AM
I know people already doing it, making FL their primary residence for this reason.
Donald Trump does it.
No state income tax.

I drove to BP today and met with the organizers, I will post some info tomorrow iy"h.
Let's see if we can get some DDF'ers on board  8)
Looking forward
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Chapshnell on July 23, 2020, 12:28:35 PM
I drove to BP today and met with the organizers, I will post some info tomorrow iy"h.
Let's see if we can get some DDF'ers on board  8)

lets hear!
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ushdadude on July 23, 2020, 12:35:11 PM
Do they realize how hot it is in Tampa? Streimel and bekisha will be very uncomfortable
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Alexsei on July 23, 2020, 12:45:43 PM
Do they realize how hot it is in Tampa? Streimel and bekisha will be very uncomfortable
Replace with a shaboosdig fedora from the local JCPenney...
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ushdadude on July 23, 2020, 12:49:44 PM
Replace with a shaboosdig fedora from the local JCPenney...
do they make straw shtreimels or seersucker bekishas?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mendyt on July 23, 2020, 01:50:23 PM
Disclaimer #1
This may be my longest post ever on DDF.
If this whole thing does not interest you, feel free to skip this post  ???

Disclaimer #2
I'm by no means an expert in real estate, mortgages, building new developments, etc. Please don't challenge me on these subjects, I'm just providing you the information that I received.

Intro
First of all, in my OP I mentioned its Shloime Taussig, I was wrong,  Its Rabbi Yisroel Taussig he has the Beled shul in BP.

The location of the new development is in Pasco County, Tampa FL.
They chose this location,
Firstly, because they only wanted a red state (I know FL is a swing state but red enough for our needs)
Secondly, because Pasco counties population is at around 500,000 and they have a dream of having 3 million within the next 10 years, and 50% of the residents should be working within the county, hence, they are very accommodating and helping out with what they can, to make this a reality.

Age
The age group they are currently targeting is between 25-35, as they need families with young children, in order the schools should succeed.
At the moment, they are not accepting anyone who doesn't want to live there full time
(eventually, they may build houses for people who want it as a winter home, etc. but it will be on a separate st)

They want it to be a regular erliche chasidish community, and for this, they meet every couple before accepting a deposit.

Chinuch
He is already interviewing some mechanchim who will be hired as menahel, Principal, etc.

They are going to start with one school and cheider, but eventually, as the community grows, they would like to have 3-4 Schools.

Depending on your income, you may be eligible for the school choice program, which is about 6K per child, their dream is to cover all expenses with this. (I guess they will still receive other government funds besides school choice, just as our schools here in NY)
Limudei chol will have to be at a higher level from our schools in NY, Boys will have to start learning Limudei chol at a younger age than in NY.

Kosher food
They are in talks with a few of the larger supermarkets, and they will choose one to open up a branch. They want the community to have it all just as in NY.

Housing
90% of the development consist of townhouses and single homes on 40 Lot, however, currently, there is no demand for townhouses, so they won't begin with townhouses.

A house on a 40 Lot means, your property is 40ft wide, with a decent front lawn and backyard, the house is 2600sf, with 4 larger or 5 smaller bedrooms, and a 2 car garage.  Cost is 325K [the cost is not final]
Property tax is 1% of the purchase price, then there is also HOA (homeowner's association) fees which estimates at around $200 per month. 

A house on a 50 Lot is 3200sf, and it also has a private guest suite, this will be around 375K

The 60 Lot is a house of 3400sf, they don't know the exact cost yet but it will be in the low 400K.

The developers will begin building model homes soon, and they encourage you to fly down, see the location, and check out a model home.

It seems to me like they want to start off with the 40 Lots and they are pushing for that.
 
The county will assist with a First-time Homebuyer Assistance Program, You will be eligible for a loan of 10K with 0% interest, primary Residence buyers are eligible for 97% mortgage.
They are also working on getting the moving cost covered by the county, but this is not guaranteed yet.

Community amenities
The plan is to build up a Shul,Mikva, playground, community pool and tennis court in the center of the development, and it shouldn't take you more than 12 minutes to get there from any side of the development.

Signing up for the move
If you want to go ahead, you need to put down a $5,000 deposit, $500 is nonrefundable (going for lawyer fees, etc) the rest will go into an escrow account.
Once they have 100 deposits, they will coordinate a local event, where you will meet your potential neighbors, and you will be able to decide if you want to make the move or not.
As of yesterday, they already received 30 deposits

They estimate to begin selling homes around Sep 15,( you have to purchase your lot and get a mortgage (Guess like a construction loan) before they begin building it. Once home sales begin, you have 2 weeks to back out and have your $4500 refund, at the same time, once you signed and got your mortgage, the $4500 deposit will be refunded.

The projected date to have all amenities ready and fully operational is September 2021. The first homes to go into contract will be completed by April 2021 (Pesach time), however, this is not guaranteed.

The local government is also offering major subsidies if you are relocating or opening up a new business, I won't go into detail, because this is on a case to case basis.

All in all, It looks too good to be true, on the other hand, its about time something like this to happen, and I hope I will make the right choice  :)

Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Dan on July 23, 2020, 01:54:36 PM
Why FL over a purple or red state within driving distance of NY?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mendyt on July 23, 2020, 01:56:33 PM
Why FL over a purple or red state within driving distance of NY?
Secondly, because Pasco counties population is at around 500,000 and they have a dream of having 10 million within the next 10 years, and 50% of the residents should be working within the county, hence, they are very accommodating and helping out with what they can, to make this a reality.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Jellybelly on July 23, 2020, 02:28:28 PM
Why FL over a purple or red state within driving distance of NY?
I’m hoping this initiative works and then the Lakewood askanim do something similar in a closer State like Pennsylvania
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: avromie7 on July 23, 2020, 02:32:24 PM

The location of the new development is in Pasco County, Tampa FL.
They chose this location,
Firstly, because they only wanted a red state (I know FL is a swing state but red enough for our needs)
Secondly, because Pasco counties population is at around 500,000 and they have a dream of having 10 million within the next 10 years, and 50% of the residents should be working within the county, hence, they are very accommodating and helping out with what they can, to make this a reality.

Did you mean 1 million within 10 years?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Something Fishy on July 23, 2020, 02:35:58 PM
First of all, in my OP I mentioned its Shloime Taussig, I was wrong,  Its Rabbi Yisroel Taussig he has the Beled shul in BP.

I thought Shloime Taussig was the Beled Ruv from BP, took over when his father died a few years ago. Is that not the case?


then there is also HOA (homeowner's association)

🤮
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Euclid on July 23, 2020, 02:35:58 PM
I’m hoping this initiative works and then the Lakewood askanim do something similar in a closer State like Pennsylvania
Lakewood "askanim" have way too much money invested in Lakewood real estate and infrastructure to voluntarily open a competing community. Remember Sloatsburg? According to reports at the time, the Lakewood askanim pushed hard against it.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mendyt on July 23, 2020, 02:38:23 PM
I thought Shloime Taussig was the Beled Ruv from BP, took over when his father died a few years ago. Is that not the case?

I think they are brothers, guess there are 2 beleds in BP?!
Im not familiar with this at all.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mendyt on July 23, 2020, 02:40:10 PM
Did you mean 1 million within 10 years?
Sorry was my mistake, their dream is to have 3 million within the next 10 years.
either way, the numbers make no big difference to us at the moment.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Chapshnell on July 23, 2020, 02:41:47 PM
Sounds very interesting! Thanks for the update! Please post more info as you get them.
Whether it works or not is to be seen but I love seeing people trying to get out of the Sodomite NYC. About time
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Banillareloads on July 23, 2020, 02:58:15 PM
I thought Shloime Taussig was the Beled Ruv from BP, took over when his father died a few years ago. Is that not the case?


🤮

Shloime took over their father's shul, his brother opened his own shul on 12 & 50 and he's the one involved with this. Btw they get along afaik.

P.S. I can see the headlines now " Florida Hasidic man ... "  :P
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Something Fishy on July 23, 2020, 02:58:46 PM
Shloime took over their father's shul, his brother opened his own shul on 12 & 50 and he's the one involved with this. Btw they get along afaik.

Ah, that makes sense. Thanks.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mendyt on July 23, 2020, 03:06:17 PM
Shloime took over their father's shul, his brother opened his own shul on 12 & 50 and he's the one involved with this. Btw they get along afaik.

P.S. I can see the headlines now " Florida Hasidic man ... "  :P
Do you know Rabbi Yisroel Taussig?
I sat with him and his wife for an hour and half, they seemed very nice, but I would love to hear what type of people they are, are they liked in their shul?
Pm's welcome!
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Dawie on July 23, 2020, 03:23:39 PM
Lakewood "askanim" have way too much money invested in Lakewood real estate and infrastructure to voluntarily open a competing community. Remember Sloatsburg? According to reports at the time, the Lakewood askanim pushed hard against it.
IIRC it was just R Elya Svei telling Simon Glick not to

as far as Lakewood opening new places, very hard to find the interest
As R Shmuel Lefkowitz (in)famously said his piece about pioneering ( https://nj1015.com/is-orthodox-rabbi-pushing-blockbusting-jackson-wants-investigation-watch )
There was a push to make Mddleburg NY work with a yeshiva, never went anywhere, Vineland they are still dreaming about, Egg Harbor Twp they even had a Kollel travel there
There is now a Yeshiva in Hamilton NJ with dreams of a community
Hazelton PA was a spot they tried numerous times
Florida at least has vouchers... but so does South Bend and they advertise and get nothing
 

Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: YitzyS on July 23, 2020, 03:51:21 PM
IIRC it was just R Elya Svei telling Simon Glick not to

as far as Lakewood opening new places, very hard to find the interest
As R Shmuel Lefkowitz (in)famously said his piece about pioneering ( https://nj1015.com/is-orthodox-rabbi-pushing-blockbusting-jackson-wants-investigation-watch )
There was a push to make Mddleburg NY work with a yeshiva, never went anywhere, Vineland they are still dreaming about, Egg Harbor Twp they even had a Kollel travel there
There is now a Yeshiva in Hamilton NJ with dreams of a community
Hazelton PA was a spot they tried numerous times
Florida at least has vouchers... but so does South Bend and they advertise and get nothing
Sometimes it's all about momentum.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Something Fishy on July 23, 2020, 04:27:28 PM
Do you know Rabbi Yisroel Taussig?
I sat with him and his wife for an hour and half, they seemed very nice, but I would love to hear what type of people they are, are they liked in their shul?
Pm's welcome!

I only know Shloime, we went to Yeshiva together.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: nucheiner on July 23, 2020, 09:45:15 PM
Sometimes it's all about momentum.
It’s difficult to create your own “matzav” within an existing community especially if you came at their invite.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ExGingi on July 23, 2020, 10:44:23 PM
Secondly, because Pasco counties population is at around 500,000 and they have a dream of having 10 million within the next 10 years, and 50% of the residents should be working within the county, hence, they are very accommodating and helping out with what they can, to make this a reality.

Pasco County does have a Chabad house. The shliach down there called it red neck country back in the day.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mendyt on July 23, 2020, 10:46:17 PM
Pasco County does have a Chabad house. The shliach down there called it red neck country back in the day.
He told me that the local shaliach is helping him out a lot
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ExGingi on July 23, 2020, 10:50:10 PM
He told me that the local shaliach is helping him out a lot

The Tampa shliach the S. Pete Shliach or the Pasco shliach?

There are several Shluchim I know in the area. A few are personal friends.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mendyt on July 23, 2020, 11:04:33 PM
The Tampa shliach the S. Pete Shliach or the Pasco shliach?

There are several Shluchim I know in the area. A few are personal friends.
Since I'm not chabad,  I didnt go into details, so I cant answer you  :)
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: moko on July 23, 2020, 11:16:15 PM
There's a Chabad Rabbi at Young Israel of Tampa as well.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ad120 on July 23, 2020, 11:18:03 PM
Sounds very interesting! Thanks for the update! Please post more info as you get them.
Whether it works or not is to be seen but I love seeing people trying to get out of the Sodomite NYC. About time
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Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Tzfas on July 23, 2020, 11:32:56 PM
Sounds interesting, but why start something new so far away from south Miami where there is already a large jewish infrastructure, wouldn't it be easier to just work around and near whats already built up?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: YitzyS on July 23, 2020, 11:33:42 PM
Sounds interesting, but why start something new so far away from south Miami where there is already a large jewish infrastructure, wouldn't it be easier to just work around and near whats already built up?
I'm sure real estate is cheaper further away from Miami.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Mikes@Micro on July 24, 2020, 01:20:58 AM
Sounds interesting, but why start something new so far away from south Miami where there is already a large jewish infrastructure, wouldn't it be easier to just work around and near whats already built up?
Sounds like the county here really wants them + Miami has a clown govt + Constiction cost, taxes & regulations are outrageous.  +
I'm sure real estate is cheaper further away from Miami.

Curious if it's also to keep things separate?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on July 24, 2020, 01:51:56 AM
Sounds interesting, but why start something new so far away from south Miami where there is already a large jewish infrastructure, wouldn't it be easier to just work around and near whats already built up?

A few years back, someone tried building a community off of Ives Dairy in Aventura. The expenses were too great, and it's harder to draw people into a new place when there are so many other options nearby.

There are many benefits to building a chassidishe community far from South FL, but the biggest one is spiritual. It's not easy to keep a community from being exposed to "unholy influences" down here. If you're trying to build a somewhat insular frum kehillah, Pasco is probably a safer bet.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ad120 on July 24, 2020, 02:15:21 AM
If you're trying to build a somewhat insular frum kehillah, Pasco is probably a safer bet.
Not that it would make a difference as this community will not happen regardless, but to me geographically, DeSoto County makes more sense. It's easier to keep things insular when an area is less populated.
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Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on July 24, 2020, 02:16:51 AM
Not that it would make a difference as this community will not happen regardless, but to me geographically, DeSoto County makes more sense. It's easier to keep things insular when an area is less populated.

People need to make money, too. Gotta have a balance.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Joel on July 24, 2020, 08:24:29 AM
I hope this isn't true..
 I sent this to someone who knows Taussig

Quote
It’s never going to happen in my opinion. Who ever knows Sruli Taussig knows why I mean.  It’s another way for him to con out money from people

As always do your own DD before giving a deposit.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ad120 on July 24, 2020, 08:54:31 AM
I hope this isn't true..
 I sent this to someone who knows Taussig

As always do your own DD before giving a deposit.
I remain silent.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: avromie7 on July 24, 2020, 09:07:01 AM
I don't understand why anyone would rush to give a deposit. What do you lose by not giving one and only putting down money once there are enough people? It's not like you'll lose your chance.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: yesitsme on July 24, 2020, 09:26:31 AM
I hope this isn't true..
 I sent this to someone who knows Taussig

As always do your own DD before giving a deposit.
he does have a history
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mendyt on July 24, 2020, 09:46:02 AM
I also heard these stuff but with zero information, which makes me question is it true or not.
Either case I'm leaning more and more towards waiting a few months and see what happens, as I probably got nothing to lose and everything to gain
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: flatbush guy on July 25, 2020, 11:22:41 PM
Does anybody know of a new chasidic community in Arizona?
Saw this :
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: yaakov35 on July 25, 2020, 11:43:08 PM
Does anybody know of a new chasidic community in Arizona?
Saw this :
Its not a full time community.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: YoelFried on July 26, 2020, 09:43:09 AM
I hope this isn't true..
 I sent this to someone who knows Taussig

As always do your own DD before giving a deposit.
I'm not sure what ... Means.
If you have something to say that can help other people make a decision then say it. If you don't dot dot dot then just be quite.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: YoelFried on July 26, 2020, 09:43:25 AM
I remain silent.
Same to you
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: YoelFried on July 26, 2020, 09:44:12 AM
he does have a history
Please complete your point that you want to Say.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: YoelFried on July 26, 2020, 09:48:56 AM
I don't understand why anyone would rush to give a deposit. What do you lose by not giving one and only putting down money once there are enough people? It's not like you'll lose your chance.
The goal is to have people committed if everybody will wait for someone else it will never work out.

What I heard is that the goyish developer only wants to commit phase one of there is 100 people, and to show him that people are serious they are collecting deposits.

The development is anyways being built with a completion date of September 2021, there is no heimiaha  contractors involved.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: avromie7 on July 26, 2020, 10:04:38 AM
The goal is to have people committed if everybody will wait for someone else it will never work out.

What I heard is that the goyish developer only wants to commit phase one of there is 100 people, and to show him that people are serious they are collecting deposits.

The development is anyways being built with a completion date of September 2021, there is no heimiaha  contractors involved.
I understand that, but why should an individual put down $5k and hopefully be able to recoup 90% if he wants to back out when he can join later for the same price. If they got 100 or maybe 250 people who say they're interested and they all get together and enough of them say they're ready to move forward that would be the time to put down a deposit.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: YoelFried on July 26, 2020, 10:18:21 AM
I understand that, but why should an individual put down $5k and hopefully be able to recoup 90% if he wants to back out when he can join later for the same price. If they got 100 or maybe 250 people who say they're interested and they all get together and enough of them say they're ready to move forward that would be the time to put down a deposit.
There needs to be a tool that are really interested and those who just follow the current.

I'm with you on part. That the deposit should be fully refundable. But you can argue that someone has to eat the cost of meeting with the developers and lawers to prepare contracts.  We are in a capitalism country after all. Capitalism believes that everything costs money.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: avromie7 on July 26, 2020, 10:25:14 AM
There needs to be a tool that are really interested and those who just follow the current.

I'm with you on part. That the deposit should be fully refundable. But you can argue that someone has to eat the cost of meeting with the developers and lawers to prepare contracts.  We are in a capitalism country after all. Capitalism believes that everything costs money.
Everything costs money, but if you want someone else to pay for it they need to get something out of giving you money.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: YoelFried on July 26, 2020, 10:27:52 AM
Everything costs money, but if you want someone else to pay for it they need to get something out of giving you money.
His return will be to broker you with the developers.

I agree that it needs to be more transparency, maybe makings a event where the developers should attend. (Maybe Mendy can forward this to the organizers).
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: avromie7 on July 26, 2020, 10:31:13 AM
His return will be to broker you with the developers.

I agree that it needs to be more transparency, maybe makings a event where the developers should attend. (Maybe Mendy can forward this to the organizers).
He'll do the same if you wait a few months before giving a deposit.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mendyt on July 26, 2020, 10:36:17 AM
His return will be to broker you with the developers.

I agree that it needs to be more transparency, maybe makings a event where the developers should attend. (Maybe Mendy can forward this to the organizers).
It is my understanding that the developers will be attending this event
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Dan on July 26, 2020, 10:41:53 AM
It is my understanding that the developers will be attending this event
Will there be a knish eating contest?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: YitzyS on July 26, 2020, 10:57:46 AM
Will there be a knish eating contest?
If anyone does not get that joke, you may want to get antiquated with this (https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=11847.msg149265#msg149265) thread.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: YoelFried on July 26, 2020, 11:45:46 AM
If anyone does not get that joke, you may want to get antiquated with this (https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=11847.msg149265#msg149265) thread.
Thanks. It's a good one.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: yesitsme on July 26, 2020, 12:15:51 PM
I don't understand why anyone would rush to give a deposit. What do you lose by not giving one and only putting down money once there are enough people? It's not like you'll lose your chance.
someone that wants to make it work because he cares about it and wants it to happen he will put down a deposit to make it happen, otherwise it will never workout
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: YoelFried on July 26, 2020, 12:33:05 PM
someone that wants to make it work because he cares about it and wants it to happen he will put down a deposit to make it happen, otherwise it will never workout
At least I have someone agrees with me
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: whYME on July 26, 2020, 01:12:35 PM
you may want to get antiquated with this (https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=11847.msg149265#msg149265) thread.
Or at lease get acquainted.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Something Fishy on July 26, 2020, 01:14:15 PM
Or at lease get acquainted.

Oh the irony ;D :P
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 26, 2020, 02:37:29 PM
Its not a full time community.
like a summer or winter only?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: fresar on July 26, 2020, 02:38:29 PM
like a summer or winter only?

It’s a full time community, just starting up
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: flatbush guy on July 26, 2020, 04:24:18 PM
What do u know about it?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: chulent613 on July 26, 2020, 08:02:25 PM
To me the biggest red flag is that they say it will be ready so soon.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: whYME on July 26, 2020, 08:16:55 PM
Oh the irony ;D :P

I just find it funny how posts like this almost always seem to have some kind of typo or grammatical error.
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Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Mikes@Micro on July 26, 2020, 09:03:22 PM
To me the biggest red flag is that they say it will be ready so soon.

It sounds very soon bit if they have a large enough crew I seems plausible.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: chulent613 on July 26, 2020, 10:19:59 PM
Anyone that thinks that they will have anything ready before pesach 2022 is dreaming.
If they actually are planning on getting it ready so fast than they will run into other major (cash flow) issues when it shleps.

Disclaimer: the above is my opinion and why I personally would stay away but it's not based on knowing any facts.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: YoelFried on July 26, 2020, 11:31:42 PM
Anyone that thinks that they will have anything ready before pesach 2022 is dreaming.
If they actually are planning on getting it ready so fast than they will run into other major (cash flow) issues when it shleps.

Disclaimer: the above is my opinion and why I personally would stay away but it's not based on knowing any facts.
Please read all posts above.

The development is being built by a non Jewish developers. The goal is only to sell it for heimisha people.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ExGingi on July 27, 2020, 12:01:53 AM
Please read all posts above.

The development is being built by a non Jewish developers. The goal is only to sell it for heimisha people.

Is that out of the script of the next episode of Verplanck? Built exclusively by non-Jewish developers, sold exclusively to the Heimishe people.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Mikes@Micro on July 27, 2020, 12:23:09 AM
Is that out of the script of the next episode of Verplanck? Built exclusively by non-Jewish developers, sold exclusively to the Heimishe people.
So it's not being built "specifically for the unique need of large frum families?"
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: EliJelly on July 27, 2020, 12:25:48 AM
Please read all posts above.

The development is being built by a non Jewish developers. The goal is only to sell it for heimisha people.
Therefore?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ExGingi on July 27, 2020, 12:26:31 AM
So it's not being built "specifically for the unique need of large frum families?"

Isn't flipping real estate a unique need of large frum families?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Mikes@Micro on July 27, 2020, 12:32:32 AM
Isn't flipping real estate a unique need of large frum families?
Yes, but big plus if they can also advertise using the quintessential line.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mushkovits on July 27, 2020, 09:54:05 PM
ויישן ויחלום שנית
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: TBD on July 27, 2020, 11:06:18 PM
ויישן ויחלום שנית
pls............ we need more parking spaces in BP! need to push ppl to make the move for our "MUTUAL" benefit
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ExGingi on July 27, 2020, 11:39:02 PM
pls............ we need more parking spaces in BP! need to push ppl to make the move for our "MUTUAL" benefit

And who do you think will be taking their place in BP? Some tree-hugging yuppie? If that happens you'll have even less parking and more congestion due to bike lanes and parking spots being appropriated to Citi Bike.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mushkovits on July 27, 2020, 11:42:08 PM
pls............ we need more parking spaces in BP! need to push ppl to make the move for our "MUTUAL" benefit
Exactly. So let’s stop dreaming and be realistic...think Monsey, Lakewood, Staten Island and the likes.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Chapshnell on July 28, 2020, 11:36:05 AM
Exactly. So let’s stop dreaming and be realistic...think Monsey, Lakewood, Staten Island and the likes.

That already exists, options are always good
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mushkovits on July 28, 2020, 02:39:45 PM
That already exists, options are always good
Options yes. Dreams no!
Back in the days -between others- there was going to be a new Middletown community developed here in upstate NY. I personally know people who gave down payments...it’s time for people to wake up and stop dreaming.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: daybyday on July 28, 2020, 06:10:05 PM
IMO the biggest problem with these very out of town communities is that usually there are almost no economic infrastructure to support the simple families who would live there.
Yes there will be some people who can live off of a remote amazon selling business but the average young person would have an extremely hard time finding someone who would employ them at a decent salary.

In the tri-state area a motivated young guy with little education can find someone who would start them off at a decent salary and they can work their way up to making a good salary. In these far out of town communities these type of opportunities are much less common.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: moko on July 28, 2020, 06:24:14 PM
IMO the biggest problem with these very out of town communities is that usually there are almost no economic infrastructure to support the simple families who would live there.
Yes there will be some people who can live off of a remote amazon selling business but the average young person would have an extremely hard time finding someone who would employ them at a decent salary.

In the tri-state area a motivated young guy with little education can find someone who would start them off at a decent salary and they can work their way up to making a good salary. In these far out of town communities these type of opportunities are much less common.
what do you call decent salary?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: TBD on July 29, 2020, 12:08:28 AM
what do you call decent salary?
HAMASPIK, YELED VYALDA, and all other multiple organizations which provide payrolls to 1000's of heimishe families (YES LIBERAL NY FROM OUR TAXES BUT ENDS UP IN HEIMISHE FAMILIES POCKETS)
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Joel on July 29, 2020, 12:21:09 AM
HAMASPIK, YELED VYALDA, and all other multiple organizations which provide payrolls to 1000's of heimishe families (YES LIBERAL NY FROM OUR TAXES BUT ENDS UP IN HEIMISHE FAMILIES POCKETS)
IiRC they are paid from insurance not the Gov (taxes)
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: TBD on July 29, 2020, 12:25:03 AM
IiRC they are paid from insurance not the Gov (taxes)
-1,000,000
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: TBD on July 29, 2020, 12:28:23 AM
-1,000,000
And even the part that comes from insurance, only NYS requires insurance companies to pay for all those stuff. How many therapist agencies can you find in NJ? Does Hamaspik or any similar have any offices in NJ?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: moko on July 29, 2020, 06:52:45 AM
HAMASPIK, YELED VYALDA, and all other multiple organizations which provide payrolls to 1000's of heimishe families (YES LIBERAL NY FROM OUR TAXES BUT ENDS UP IN HEIMISHE FAMILIES POCKETS)
what's the hourly wage?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 29, 2020, 11:11:15 AM
HAMASPIK, YELED VYALDA, and all other multiple organizations which provide payrolls to 1000's of heimishe families (YES LIBERAL NY FROM OUR TAXES BUT ENDS UP IN HEIMISHE FAMILIES POCKETS)
+1
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 29, 2020, 11:17:05 AM
what's the hourly wage?
idk exactly, but the biggest thing is no education needed. Regardless the OPs point is spot on, many of us complain about being in a blue state, and it's true there are definitely downsides to it however there are many people in our community that rely heavily on either programs that are unique (read very profitable etc) to the liberal states, or their business do (social services programs, nursing homes threapy etc).
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: whYME on July 29, 2020, 11:35:49 AM
IiRC they are paid from insurance not the Gov (taxes)
Well do you consider medicaid to be insurance or gov/taxes?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Yonah on July 29, 2020, 11:37:07 AM
IMO the biggest problem with these very out of town communities is that usually there are almost no economic infrastructure to support the simple families who would live there.
Yes there will be some people who can live off of a remote amazon selling business but the average young person would have an extremely hard time finding someone who would employ them at a decent salary.

In the tri-state area a motivated young guy with little education can find someone who would start them off at a decent salary and they can work their way up to making a good salary. In these far out of town communities these type of opportunities are much less common.

I am a little confused by this. Tampa seems to be a city on the upswing... I imagine that someone, even with limited skill could find a decent job with room for growth -

or

- Is it that people moving here are only willing to work in "Heimishe" jobs? If that's the case, then why are you moving to Tampa?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ExGingi on July 29, 2020, 12:06:47 PM
Well do you consider medicaid to be insurance or gov/taxes?

Yes.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: lakewood34 on July 29, 2020, 01:05:00 PM
It is on the front page of ami living this week

the article claims 500 committed people boy did the commitments pile on in the last few days  :)

I'm just curious What is in it for the pioneering rabbi and rebbetzin  is it lshem shamayim   or do they have a financial incentive from a developer builder etc.  or is it the opportunity to be the main  mashpia on a new community or something else
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mushkovits on July 29, 2020, 01:12:45 PM
front page of ami living this week

the article claims 500 committed people boy did the commitments pile on in the last few days  :)

What is in it for the pioneering rabbi and rebbetzin  is it lshem shamayim   or do they have a financial incentive from a developer builder etc.
Lshem shumayim
Please ping me once the commitments materialize
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: EliJelly on July 29, 2020, 01:14:32 PM
Lshem shunayim
Please ping me once the commitments materialize
You gotta bolden your "n" in there
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: TBD on July 29, 2020, 01:40:37 PM
It is on the front page of ami living this week

the article claims 500 committed people boy did the commitments pile on in the last few days  :)

I'm just curious What is in it for the pioneering rabbi and rebbetzin  is it lshem shamayim   or do they have a financial incentive from a developer builder etc.  or is it the opportunity to be the main  mashpia on a new community or something else
I hope they are in for business reasons. The only way it should succeed is with someone having a financial gain on this
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mushkovits on July 29, 2020, 01:55:55 PM
You gotta bolden your "n" in there
I removed it!
Does anyone really care about  motives? I care about the results...history for these type of things happen to not have the desired results
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: EliJelly on July 29, 2020, 02:19:21 PM
I removed it!
Does anyone really care about  motives? I care about the results...history for these type of things happen to not have the desired results
Oh thought it was intentionally. A combo of both motives
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ExGingi on July 29, 2020, 03:03:11 PM
It is on the front page of ami living this week

the article claims 500 committed people boy did the commitments pile on in the last few days  :)

I'm just curious What is in it for the pioneering rabbi and rebbetzin  is it lshem shamayim   or do they have a financial incentive from a developer builder etc.  or is it the opportunity to be the main  mashpia on a new community or something else

What percentage of the print Ami magazine isn't paid for?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: daybyday on July 29, 2020, 03:10:14 PM
What percentage of the print Ami magazine isn't paid for?
Maybe the page numbers?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: yakovg on July 29, 2020, 03:11:45 PM
It is on the front page of ami living this week

the article claims 500 committed people boy did the commitments pile on in the last few days  :)

I'm just curious What is in it for the pioneering rabbi and rebbetzin  is it lshem shamayim   or do they have a financial incentive from a developer builder etc.  or is it the opportunity to be the main  mashpia on a new community or something else

Please copy - paste
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Chapshnell on July 29, 2020, 04:08:22 PM
I hope they are in for business reasons. The only way it should succeed is with someone having a financial gain on this

THIS!
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: chilugutbaum on July 29, 2020, 04:16:23 PM
What percentage of the print Ami magazine isn't paid for?

0%.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Joel on July 29, 2020, 05:03:52 PM


I'm just curious What is in it for the pioneering rabbi and rebbetzin  is it lshem shamayim   or do they have a financial incentive from a developer builder etc.  or is it the opportunity to be the main  mashpia on a new community or something else

I wondered the same, why is he specifically interested in opening this community while backing from organizations/philanthropist who actually have a better chance funding and getting momentum to get this rolling?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: efflpetzel on August 02, 2020, 10:21:55 AM
I found the Ami article to be very vague, no pictures, no plans, they didn’t even write where in Tampa.

I’d love for this to happen but it seems like a pipe dream
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Dan on August 02, 2020, 10:23:48 AM
I found the Ami article to be very vague, no pictures, no plans, they didn’t even write where in Tampa.

I’d love for this to happen but it seems like a pipe dream
Ami also wrote that @Something Fishy's best Antarctica pictures were the drone pics (that he didn't take)

I wouldn't base anything on that.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ExGingi on August 02, 2020, 11:14:41 AM
Ami also wrote that @Something Fishy's best Antarctica pictures were the drone pics (that he didn't take)

I wouldn't base anything on that.

They aren't paid for accurate reporting. They are paid for selling magazines that will sell ads (which some of the articles are, in the first place).
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Dan on August 02, 2020, 11:18:25 AM
AKA, The Prophet exists to sell itself, you silly girl
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: BP16 on August 02, 2020, 03:27:38 PM
I found the Ami article to be very vague, no pictures, no plans, they didn’t even write where in Tampa.

I’d love for this to happen but it seems like a pipe dream
I think she did say where in Tampa but yes pictures would make it more realistic, but they claim they have 500 people committed so I guess no pictures needed.     
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mendyt on August 02, 2020, 04:33:51 PM
I think she did say where in Tampa but yes pictures would make it more realistic, but they claim they have 500 people committed so I guess no pictures needed.   
The 500 people are just applications, which means nothing.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: efflpetzel on August 02, 2020, 06:23:58 PM
I just found it really strange that the article didn’t include a site map, site renderings or models of the proposed houses.

A B C’s of marketing
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: TBD on August 02, 2020, 11:47:39 PM
I just found it really strange that the article didn’t include a site map, site renderings or models of the proposed houses.

A B C’s of marketing
10000%
If there could be 10+posts on DDFS about this AMI article than its fully paid up......
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Jellybelly on August 03, 2020, 11:03:34 PM
I wonder if this is the real story behind this community?  ;) (from Purim)


(https://i.postimg.cc/fbNVd1CL/Florida-Community-Yated-Purim-2020.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xX6jDxWD)
Just got this picture on a couple WhatsApp chats and they’re all trying to figure out if it’s true 🙄
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: YitzyS on August 04, 2020, 05:32:54 PM
Just got this picture on a couple WhatsApp chats and they’re all trying to figure out if it’s true 🙄
Its from the same page as this, so if it’s true, this also must be...
And Dan makes headlines again in the Purim news section of Yated.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: yesitsme on August 04, 2020, 09:30:21 PM
Just got this sms
Quote
Sheldon is giving 5000 homes for BMG
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: YitzyS on August 04, 2020, 09:48:16 PM
Just got this sms
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ah giten on August 07, 2020, 02:47:13 AM
10 people, or rather an extended family just picked themselves up and left to.... Indiana.

It started with vaccine requirements here in NYC, and ended with common-core (don't ask me to explain the problem)...

1 of the people were still looking for a Sefer Torah for Shabbos, as of 2 days ago....

I guess in Covid times, anything is normal.

Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Euclid on August 07, 2020, 03:09:56 AM
10 people, or rather an extended family just picked themselves up and left to.... Indiana.

It started with vaccine requirements here in NYC, and ended with common-core (don't ask me to explain the problem)...

1 of the people were still looking for a Sefer Torah for Shabbos, as of 2 days ago....

I guess in Covid times, anything is normal.
Where in Indiana? There's a very well established community in South Bend already.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ah giten on August 07, 2020, 03:21:21 AM
Where in Indiana? There's a very well established community in South Bend already.
They're using a Mikva fro MivakUSA abt 45 min away, thats all I know.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Jellybelly on August 07, 2020, 08:18:43 AM
10 people, or rather an extended family just picked themselves up and left to.... Indiana.

It started with vaccine requirements here in NYC, and ended with common-core (don't ask me to explain the problem)...

1 of the people were still looking for a Sefer Torah for Shabbos, as of 2 days ago....

I guess in Covid times, anything is normal.
So it’s anti-vaxxers?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ExGingi on August 07, 2020, 08:21:41 AM
So it’s anti-vaxxers?

Why do we have to label everyone?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: aygart on August 07, 2020, 08:32:09 AM
Why does everyone label themselves?

FTFY
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: gozalim on August 07, 2020, 09:33:17 AM
Why do we have to label everyone?
to explain that lack of cinuch options wasn't an issue, as they have none here either
/s
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: drosenberg88429 on August 07, 2020, 12:43:43 PM
10 people, or rather an extended family just picked themselves up and left to.... Indiana.

It started with vaccine requirements here in NYC, and ended with common-core (don't ask me to explain the problem)...

1 of the people were still looking for a Sefer Torah for Shabbos, as of 2 days ago....

I guess in Covid times, anything is normal.

Sefer Torah? Indiana has a very nice Jewish community in South Bend (aside from being under 2 hours from Chicago). It's not exactly North Dakota, as far as being in the sticks goes.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: avromie7 on August 07, 2020, 12:46:06 PM
Sefer Torah? Indiana has a very nice Jewish community in South Bend (aside from being under 2 hours from Chicago). It's not exactly North Dakota, as far as being in the sticks goes.
You still need someone willing to lend you a sefer torah for a while.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: BP16 on August 31, 2020, 01:29:07 PM
Haven't heard from this in a while, So what happened sold out?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mendyt on September 03, 2020, 12:14:17 PM
TAMPA COMMUNITY UPDATE



PLEASE NOTE A DATE CORRECTION:

Our upcoming event is Scheduled for

SUNDAY, OCTOBER 18, 2020.

Exact details of timing will be posted closer to the event.

Mark your calendars accordingly.





We just returned from an eventful week in Tampa and would like to share it with all of you.



WE ARE BRINGING YOU A BEAUTIFUL HOME,

PLUS AMENITES TO LIVE A CHASSIDSHE LIFE WITHOUT COMPROMISE,

JOBS, BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY,

SECURITY AND A SEAMLESS TRANSITION





All of this is not accomplished alone.

A Very Special Thanks to Rabbi and Rebbetzin Pinny and Chava Backman for opening their home to us and being there for us with our non-stop flyovers.



A Very Special Thanks to Rabbi Mendel Dubrowsky for his unwavering guidance and ever ready to help with a smile.

A Very Special Thanks to Rabbi Lazer Rifkin, Rabbi Uriel Rivkin, Rabbi Eber, Rabbi Yarmish, Rabbi Rubashkin, Rabbi an Rebbezin Yosef and Sulha Dubrowsky, and Rabbi Reich.

And I can advance the thanks to all the Shluchim I have yet to meet iyh! Tampa is pretty big! JCC



Thank you Mr. Gary Gould CEO of the JCC / Federation, for everything you do for us.

Mr Gary Gould had a beautiful write up in the Jewish Press of Tampa Bay, welcoming our new community to Tampa.



Thank you Mark Siegel

Mark Siegel Director at the JCC and Jewish federation was placed in charge of the new community and is helping us set up in many areas to assure a smooth relocation for all the families joining our community.

One of the things;

He has arranged meetings with local congress people as well as Governor Di Santos and Senators Marco Rubio and Rick Scott. (Zoom - Covid friendly).

We will be sharing their messages by virtual presentation at our upcoming event iyh.



Without fail, every flight to and back from Tampa we find ourselves in company of Chassidim doing business in the Tampa Bay area.

They share a passion for this unbelievable move and all guarantee to be instrumental in helping newcomers discover new business opportunities, or find employment.



For those that follow, Lazer Kraus the famous podcast reporter on Kol M'Vaser, joined us on a tour of the future site of the community, toured the location site of where Community facilities and the commercial strip will be situated.

As well as having Inspected the beautiful model homes, (not perfected with kosher kitchen yet).

Tune in this coming week and enjoy his takedown of the new upcoming community in Tampa Bay, Florida.



There are a few slots left to complete the first 100 family goal, remember homes will be sold by first come basis. To join the community today, email and we will let you know how to be part of this initial group.



Welcome! And We look forward to being neighbors with you in the Sunshine State very shortly.



Rebbetzin Malka R. Taussig

floridamove2021@gmail.com

718-854-1217
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Dan on September 03, 2020, 12:17:48 PM
Free ad on DD if they get DeSantis, Rubio and Scott to partake in the knish eating contest.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: YitzyS on September 03, 2020, 12:20:00 PM
Free ad on DD if they get DiSantos, Rubio and Scott to partake in the knish eating contest.
But only as long as there is no sushi.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ad120 on September 03, 2020, 12:20:59 PM
I'm glad she knows the governors name.
Governor DiSantos. Lol.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: avromie7 on September 03, 2020, 12:21:23 PM
Free ad on DD if they get DiSantos, Rubio and Scott to partake in the knish eating contest.
How does a virtual knish eating contest work?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: etech0 on September 03, 2020, 12:37:17 PM
How does a virtual knish eating contest work?
bring your own knish
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: aygart on September 03, 2020, 03:42:20 PM
Free ad on DD if they get DeSantis, Rubio and Scott to partake in the knish eating contest.
As long as they don't squirt the inside of the cheese blintz.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: BP16 on September 03, 2020, 04:53:15 PM
Wouldn't they be better off with brochures of pictures of how the houses will look and other amenities, instead of long whatsapp messages?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: avromie7 on September 03, 2020, 05:01:30 PM
Wouldn't they be better off with brochures of pictures of how the houses will look and other amenities, instead of long whatsapp messages?
That's more expensive.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Joel on September 03, 2020, 05:04:55 PM
That's more expensive.
Why isn't the developer making one?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: yaakov35 on September 07, 2020, 04:35:20 PM
If you're ready to get out of NY/NJ here's your opportunity
https://www.theorlandoprojects.com/
Next community
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ah giten on September 07, 2020, 04:39:53 PM
Find the mistake in the menu.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Something Fishy on September 07, 2020, 05:19:05 PM
Find the mistake in the menu.

Seems fixed. However the use of comic sans is unforgivable.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: gozalim on September 07, 2020, 05:24:57 PM
If you're ready to get out of NY/NJ here's your opportunity
https://www.theorlandoprojects.com/
Next community
my understanding is that Orlando has more frum infrastructure already in place then Tampa does. that should raise the odds of success
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: YitzyS on September 07, 2020, 06:26:39 PM
Seems fixed. However the use of comic sans is unforgivable.
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Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: neveryou on September 07, 2020, 08:31:41 PM
Are they going to make parents get filters on their phones in order for the kids to be in cheder?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ah giten on September 08, 2020, 01:38:00 AM
Are they going to make parents get filters on their phones in order for the kids to be in cheder?
Would you send to a Yeshiva that has parents with all access open internet, for them and for the kids?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: BP16 on September 08, 2020, 01:01:45 PM
my understanding is that Orlando has more frum infrastructure already in place then Tampa does. that should raise the odds of success
The question is about housing in Orlando, do they plan on building a development or just move to a location and start buying off build houses?

I guess they could buy this! https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/12700-S-Orange-Orlando-FL-32824/2091434413_zpid/
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: daybyday on September 08, 2020, 09:07:22 PM
If you're ready to get out of NY/NJ here's your opportunity
https://www.theorlandoprojects.com/
Next community
Based on their website i would say their budget is super slim...
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: BP16 on October 15, 2020, 04:26:54 PM
TAMPA COMMUNITY UPDATE



PLEASE NOTE A DATE CORRECTION:

Our upcoming event is Scheduled for

SUNDAY, OCTOBER 18, 2020.

Exact details of timing will be posted closer to the event.

Mark your calendars accordingly.





We just returned from an eventful week in Tampa and would like to share it with all of you.



WE ARE BRINGING YOU A BEAUTIFUL HOME,

PLUS AMENITES TO LIVE A CHASSIDSHE LIFE WITHOUT COMPROMISE,

JOBS, BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY,

SECURITY AND A SEAMLESS TRANSITION





All of this is not accomplished alone.

A Very Special Thanks to Rabbi and Rebbetzin Pinny and Chava Backman for opening their home to us and being there for us with our non-stop flyovers.



A Very Special Thanks to Rabbi Mendel Dubrowsky for his unwavering guidance and ever ready to help with a smile.

A Very Special Thanks to Rabbi Lazer Rifkin, Rabbi Uriel Rivkin, Rabbi Eber, Rabbi Yarmish, Rabbi Rubashkin, Rabbi an Rebbezin Yosef and Sulha Dubrowsky, and Rabbi Reich.

And I can advance the thanks to all the Shluchim I have yet to meet iyh! Tampa is pretty big! JCC



Thank you Mr. Gary Gould CEO of the JCC / Federation, for everything you do for us.

Mr Gary Gould had a beautiful write up in the Jewish Press of Tampa Bay, welcoming our new community to Tampa.



Thank you Mark Siegel

Mark Siegel Director at the JCC and Jewish federation was placed in charge of the new community and is helping us set up in many areas to assure a smooth relocation for all the families joining our community.

One of the things;

He has arranged meetings with local congress people as well as Governor Di Santos and Senators Marco Rubio and Rick Scott. (Zoom - Covid friendly).

We will be sharing their messages by virtual presentation at our upcoming event iyh.



Without fail, every flight to and back from Tampa we find ourselves in company of Chassidim doing business in the Tampa Bay area.

They share a passion for this unbelievable move and all guarantee to be instrumental in helping newcomers discover new business opportunities, or find employment.



For those that follow, Lazer Kraus the famous podcast reporter on Kol M'Vaser, joined us on a tour of the future site of the community, toured the location site of where Community facilities and the commercial strip will be situated.

As well as having Inspected the beautiful model homes, (not perfected with kosher kitchen yet).

Tune in this coming week and enjoy his takedown of the new upcoming community in Tampa Bay, Florida.



There are a few slots left to complete the first 100 family goal, remember homes will be sold by first come basis. To join the community today, email and we will let you know how to be part of this initial group.



Welcome! And We look forward to being neighbors with you in the Sunshine State very shortly.



Rebbetzin Malka R. Taussig

floridamove2021@gmail.com

718-854-1217
So is this event actually happening? 
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mendyt on October 15, 2020, 06:45:54 PM
So is this event actually happening?
The Project is B"H Moving beautiful

We like to thank the over 100 Families
that put down a deposit and made this movement a fact

We would also like to thank the
over the 1,000 Families with a total of over 4,000 children,
that have send in the questionnaires and are ready to join.
We look forward iy"h soon to a beautiful chasidishe community.
Our event for this Sunday, October 18, 2020
is cancelled due to the Covid situation.
The situation in Brooklyn has unfortunately deemed our neighborhood not safe to have our planned meeting.

Our Floridian key guests and the developer are unable to come to Brooklyn as protocol.
Setting up a new date with the uncertainty of the situation is near impossible.
THIS SITUATION PROVES
OUR PROJECT OF LEAVING NEW YORK IS ESSENTIAL!

We are working on setting up on site event in Florida.

Look out for our email on Monday.

Everything is as scheduled,
first homes will be up by April 2021,
with 30 homes per month going forward.

LOOKING FORWARD!

Thank you,
Rebbetzin Malka R. Taussig
floridamove2021@gmail.com
718-854-1217
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ad120 on October 15, 2020, 07:54:25 PM
Our event for this Sunday, October 18, 2020
is cancelled due to the Covid situation.
The situation in Brooklyn has unfortunately deemed our neighborhood not safe to have our planned meeting.

Our Floridian key guests and the developer are unable to come to Brooklyn as protocol.
Setting up a new date with the uncertainty of the situation is near impossible.
Uh huh
Sure
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: BP16 on October 16, 2020, 12:28:20 PM
The Project is B"H Moving beautiful

We like to thank the over 100 Families
that put down a deposit and made this movement a fact

We would also like to thank the
over the 1,000 Families with a total of over 4,000 children,
that have send in the questionnaires and are ready to join.
We look forward iy"h soon to a beautiful chasidishe community.
Our event for this Sunday, October 18, 2020
is cancelled due to the Covid situation.
The situation in Brooklyn has unfortunately deemed our neighborhood not safe to have our planned meeting.

Our Floridian key guests and the developer are unable to come to Brooklyn as protocol.
Setting up a new date with the uncertainty of the situation is near impossible.
THIS SITUATION PROVES
OUR PROJECT OF LEAVING NEW YORK IS ESSENTIAL!

We are working on setting up on site event in Florida.

Look out for our email on Monday.

Everything is as scheduled,
first homes will be up by April 2021,
with 30 homes per month going forward.

LOOKING FORWARD!

Thank you,
Rebbetzin Malka R. Taussig
floridamove2021@gmail.com
718-854-1217
I am sure they could have made it in NJ if they would really have wanted.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: lcm on October 16, 2020, 03:22:02 PM
I am sure they could have made it in NJ if they would really have wanted.
Or zoom...
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Joel on October 16, 2020, 03:35:27 PM
It's amazing how ppl still believe this will happen.

There's definitely the need to move out, but not with this boat.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 16, 2020, 03:39:14 PM
Or zoom...

Feh
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: lcm on October 16, 2020, 03:44:20 PM
Feh
Ok, conference call
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: BP16 on October 18, 2020, 12:07:50 PM
It's amazing how ppl still believe this will happen.

There's definitely the need to move out, but not with this boat.
They are not even showing house models! I would think they would at least show an effort how they would look.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Something Fishy on October 18, 2020, 12:17:27 PM
Whoever here is in contact with Mrs. Tausig should invite her to join here. We all want this to succeed and getting answers to real questions would definitely help.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: BP16 on October 18, 2020, 12:55:20 PM
Whoever here is in contact with Mrs. Tausig should invite her to join here. We all want this to succeed and getting answers to real questions would definitely help.
Try emailing her see if she responds.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Joel on October 23, 2020, 09:32:35 AM

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Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ad120 on October 23, 2020, 01:47:33 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/L53r1tLc/Screenshot-20201023-093144-Drive.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/K34qXg9f)
Stock image?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 23, 2020, 02:02:01 PM
Stock image?

Definitely. Looks like the typical new FL development home. A K. Hovnanian special.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mendyt on October 23, 2020, 02:18:30 PM
There are definitely some people on here who desperately want this project to fail, there can be a few reasons to that.
Im still not saying that this will for sure work out, but I do have high hopes

Family's who actually want to move are:
Meeting up shortly and are already communicating with each other
Already flying down to see Model homes
NO its not just stock images, and the image above is actually the smaller home.

I feel like its a waist of time to sit on here and have to play defense with the haters.

Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 23, 2020, 02:19:53 PM
There are definitely some people on here who desperately want this project to fail, there can be a few reasons to that.
Im still not saying that this will for sure work out, but I do have high hopes.

Family's who actually want to move are:
Meeting up shortly and are already communicating with each other
Already flying down to see Model homes
NO its not just stock images, and the image above is actually the smaller home.

I feel like its a waist of time to sit on here and have to play defense with the haters.

Don't play defense to the haters. Just put out useful info for everyone else.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Dan on October 23, 2020, 02:27:42 PM
There are definitely some people on here who desperately want this project to fail, there can be a few reasons to that.
Im still not saying that this will for sure work out, but I do have high hopes

Family's who actually want to move are:
Meeting up shortly and are already communicating with each other
Already flying down to see Model homes
NO its not just stock images, and the image above is actually the smaller home.

I feel like its a waist of time to sit on here and have to play defense with the haters.


Why would anyone want it to fail?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: EliJelly on October 23, 2020, 02:34:55 PM
Why would anyone want it to fail?
Exactly. Just some see the lack of detailed updates as a red flag. Everyone wants new developments to succeed.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Something Fishy on October 23, 2020, 02:35:14 PM
@mendyt - there's a vacuum of real info, so people are filling in the blanks. There's been nothing said about what the homes will look like, so when a picture is posted people just assume it's stock.

Nobody is hating. I think everyone wants this to succeed but there is just not much information forthcoming. I wish someone who actually has answers would join here and answer them. Could be a real boon to the project.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mendyt on October 23, 2020, 02:37:40 PM
Why would anyone want it to fail?

Want my take?

I believe there are some people who are torn apart, on one hand they desperately want to join such an idea as well, but on the other hand they cant get out of their comfort zone and leave everything behind. Therefore seeing the project fail is best for their feelings.
I came to this conclusion after talking in person to so many people about it.

Ill emphasize again: So many have tried but failed, yes there are a lot of good reasons why it should not work out, Im not saying that this has a 100% success rate, But if there was ever a time with chances to work out, then its definitely now

 
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 23, 2020, 02:43:56 PM


Ill emphasize again: So many have tried but failed, yes there are a lot of good reasons why it should not work out, Im not saying that this has a 100% success rate, But if there was ever a time with chances to work out, then its definitely now

I said this back in July: I've seen many such projects come and go, but this one has a chance. However, they need to do a better job with PR. There needs to be a steady flow of information, and constant engagement. Besides for getting the word out there, it inspires confidence in the project. There are many who would join but don't want to waste their time with another fantasy. Engagement makes it real. It shows investment and commitment.

Just my $.02.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: justmeha on October 23, 2020, 02:56:14 PM
Want my take?

I believe there are some people who are torn apart, on one hand they desperately want to join such an idea as well, but on the other hand they cant get out of their comfort zone and leave everything behind. Therefore they just don't want it to work out as this will be the easiest for their feelings.
I came to this conclusion after talking in person to so many people about it.

Ill emphasize again: So many have tried but failed, yes there are a lot of good reasons why it should not work out, Im not saying that this has a 100% success rate, But if there was ever a time with chances to work out, then its definitely now

 
was thinking along those lines as well.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mendyt on October 23, 2020, 02:58:07 PM
@mendyt - there's a vacuum of real info, so people are filling in the blanks. There's been nothing said about what the homes will look like, so when a picture is posted people just assume it's stock.

Nobody is hating. I think everyone wants this to succeed but there is just not much information forthcoming. I wish someone who actually has answers would join here and answer them. Could be a real boon to the project.

OK ill try to fill in some blanks:

The Tausig's are saying they have more than 100 people who signed, but of course I don't know the real number.
I believe most of the people who signed still have lots of questions and are uncertain about certain things, but I hope this will change once we get together, and there is an event this Moitse Shabbos, details and location is of course only for those who signed.

The location of the project changed, they say the reason is because, the original development in Pasco county got postponed with another year due to Covid.
The new location is in Hillsborough county, it has some downsides
1. The larger homes aren't available here (largest option is only 2600sf + 2 car garage)
3. They are not so flexible with changing the home layout
3. Hillsborough is already a more developed place so I think they wont be so forthcoming as in Pasco, plus I think its a democratic county, but this is just my theory, Im not sure if I'm right.

On the positive side:
1. This location is already confirmed and yes I know some have seen Models this week, and others are flying down shortly.
2. The development company is D.R Horton, a very large development company.
3. Lot size is either 40 or 50Ft Wide ( I think the length is 120, not sure though)
4. They have 3 options of homes, "Robie" "Cali" and "Hayden"  You can google it and look it up by yourself.

My biggest concern at the moment is type crowd and all around Moisdes Etc. I hope the event will clear this void

@Lurker I totally agree with you on this one, their PR was bad and there was a constant lack of engagement and transparency, But it seems like things are finally moving now





Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: lcm on October 23, 2020, 03:15:25 PM
Seems like people don't want it to fail, rather they want to point out red flags so people don't lose their money.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: yesitsme on October 23, 2020, 03:41:24 PM
Seems like people don't want it to fail, rather they want to point out red flags so people don't lose their money.
Correct especially if he failed on a different project
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mendyt on October 23, 2020, 03:54:43 PM
Correct especially if he failed on a different project
1. No matter how many people I asked I've yet to hear any details.  Not saying that nothing happened but something is definitely not black on white here.
2. Besides the deposit of 5K you are not signing contract with the Tausig family, you are signing with the developers.
Not saying that 5K is nothing but they wouldn't do all this just to scam out 100 people with 5K, have I been the scammer here, then I would've targeted higher numbers.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mendyt on October 23, 2020, 03:56:41 PM
was thinking along those lines as well.
On a humorous note,  I think these are the same folks who think TLV and MIA are the only 2 destinations to vacation on planet earth  ;)
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: fresar on October 25, 2020, 07:09:03 PM
Want my take?

I believe there are some people who are torn apart, on one hand they desperately want to join such an idea as well, but on the other hand they cant get out of their comfort zone and leave everything behind. Therefore seeing the project fail is best for their feelings.
I came to this conclusion after talking in person to so many people about it.

Ill emphasize again: So many have tried but failed, yes there are a lot of good reasons why it should not work out, Im not saying that this has a 100% success rate, But if there was ever a time with chances to work out, then its definitely now

 

Agree 100%
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: lifetimedeals on October 26, 2020, 02:07:00 PM
Was there more information provided this weekend?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: BP16 on October 26, 2020, 03:02:52 PM
OK ill try to fill in some blanks:

The Tausig's are saying they have more than 100 people who signed, but of course I don't know the real number.
I believe most of the people who signed still have lots of questions and are uncertain about certain things, but I hope this will change once we get together, and there is an event this Moitse Shabbos, details and location is of course only for those who signed.

The location of the project changed, they say the reason is because, the original development in Pasco county got postponed with another year due to Covid.
The new location is in Hillsborough county, it has some downsides
1. The larger homes aren't available here (largest option is only 2600sf + 2 car garage)
3. They are not so flexible with changing the home layout
3. Hillsborough is already a more developed place so I think they wont be so forthcoming as in Pasco, plus I think its a democratic county, but this is just my theory, Im not sure if I'm right.

On the positive side:
1. This location is already confirmed and yes I know some have seen Models this week, and others are flying down shortly.
2. The development company is D.R Horton, a very large development company.
3. Lot size is either 40 or 50Ft Wide ( I think the length is 120, not sure though)
4. They have 3 options of homes, "Robie" "Cali" and "Hayden"  You can google it and look it up by yourself.

My biggest concern at the moment is type crowd and all around Moisdes Etc. I hope the event will clear this void

@Lurker I totally agree with you on this one, their PR was bad and there was a constant lack of engagement and transparency, But it seems like things are finally moving now
2600sf is not that big, its a pity that they cant have bigger houses, when moving out especially to a place like FL you would want 3500sf+ 
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 26, 2020, 03:22:30 PM
2600sf is not that big, its a pity that they cant have bigger houses, when moving out especially to a place like FL you would want 3500sf+

3500 sf?? Setting that bar a little high... 2600 is very decent for a 4-5 bedroom here. In my area, houses are routinely between 1900-2700 sf. There are larger homes, but they are considered higher end. I do agree that 2600 sf being the largest size is inconvenient.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mendyt on October 26, 2020, 03:29:03 PM
Was there more information provided this weekend?
Main advantage of the event was meeting other people
Will try to write up something later
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Chapshnell on October 26, 2020, 04:25:11 PM
Main advantage of the event was meeting other people
Will try to write up something later

Thanks!
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Chapshnell on October 26, 2020, 04:25:48 PM
3500 sf?? Setting that bar a little high... 2600 is very decent for a 4-5 bedroom here. In my area, houses are routinely between 1900-2700 sf. There are larger homes, but they are considered higher end. I do agree that 2600 sf being the largest size is inconvenient.

Lakewood developments is usually that size
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 26, 2020, 05:06:14 PM
Lakewood developments is usually that size

It's doable, it just raises the price, especially if you're using pre-existing models from an established FL developer. We don't really do basements here.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: avromie7 on October 26, 2020, 05:08:20 PM
It's doable, it just raises the price, especially if you're using pre-existing models from an established FL developer. We don't really do basements here.
More reason to need a bigger house.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 26, 2020, 05:13:11 PM
More reason to need a bigger house.

Just makes it harder to get that square footage. You need more land.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: avromie7 on October 26, 2020, 05:19:30 PM
Just makes it harder to get that square footage. You need more land.
Lakewood houses are typically 3500sqf plus a basement which is finished into an apartment that is rented out.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 26, 2020, 05:29:06 PM
Lakewood houses are typically 3500sqf plus a basement which is finished into an apartment that is rented out.

At what price?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: avromie7 on October 26, 2020, 05:32:32 PM
At what price?
I think somewhere around 600k. Keep in mind, the basement rental subsidizes the mortgage.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 26, 2020, 05:42:10 PM
I think somewhere around 600k. Keep in mind, the basement rental subsidizes the mortgage.

That's almost double what the FL houses are being advertised at. I think a big part of their target audience is looking for something more affordable than 600k.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Joel on October 26, 2020, 05:59:53 PM
That's almost double what the FL houses are being advertised at. I think a big part of their target audience is looking for something more affordable than 600k.
Life in Florida will be more expansive. think travel alone to NY for any family related event.

You can get in Lakewood a new townhouse with 2500 SQF for 300-400K or a larger house with a finished basement for a rental for 600-700k
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mendyt on October 26, 2020, 06:08:50 PM
Life in Florida will be more expansive. think travel alone to NY for any family related event.

You can get in Lakewood a new townhouse with 2500 SQF for 300-400K or a larger house with a finished basement for a rental for 600-700k
Well don't forget the younger generation doesn't rely on all government funding like FS or Section 8, and in FL you have School choice/Scholarship program PLUS no state income tax
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mendyt on October 26, 2020, 06:09:27 PM
Was there more information provided this weekend?

They sent an email only Thursday night about the event, so not everyone made it.
They had between 50-60 participants plus a few on zoom, and they claimed they have more people who already gave deposits but couldn't make it. One of the ladies told DW that she knows five people who already put down deposits and didn't make it, so I guess it was true.
While I thought only confirmed deposits will be attending, I did learn that some of them did not and are just very interested, I don't mind that they allowed unconfirmed families to attend, but it did bother me a bit, as I want to see people who are at the step of making the move and not just extremely interested.
Besides the Tausig family, they had one family who already signed a contract on Friday morning and another family who already chose their lot and are signing a contract this week.

Its hard to define the crowd on a public forum, what's too frum for one, may be too modern for another, but Ill try to get out of my box  ::)
I'm not an extrovert; hence I didn't chat with everyone, but from my first impressions, I think its fair to say that its a pretty diverse community.  I would label most as Normal center chasidish families, a few a drop more to the right and a few a drop more to the left, but no one that we would call "very farfrimt" or the opposite.   With this said, I think it's a normal healthy, diverse crowd, and this is exactly what you need if you want it to flourish.

I understand that the whole development, which is almost 700 homes, will be reserved for the community if they receive 70 contracts by Jan 2021.
They have another property ready for another development just 1-2 miles away.

As mentioned above, the largest home is 2600Sf plus 400Sf in the garage. I would also love to have it a bit bigger, but this is what they have now, and also, D.R. Horton would not customize anything for you, it's a take it or leave it.  However, they will add plumbing in the kitchen, so converting it to 2 separate sinks and faucets will only be another $700-800 once you closed.
The good thing is that it's all-inclusive, and you get all appliance and even Window shades.

I'll try to attach some pictures and pricing, add another 30K, which will go for Shul, Mikvah, and all Schools, then another 2K-22K for the property depending on your lot (Simply put, they charge more for better lots that are larger or more private etc.)
There is a big 10-acre property right outside of the community (you can see it in the Aerial view pic), and they already signed contract on it, that's going for a Shopping center and all schools and yeshivos etc.
I think that adding 30K is fair for now, but I wonder where this money will go if they are successful and fill everything up. I would love to hear an explanation on this.

For School, they hired Rabbi Klein from Bais Sarah, he is not moving out, but he will be on top of it and hire the staff.

While Rabbi Tausig will open the first shul, his dream is to have another shul for every 100 homes.

He also mentioned that you could purchase a property or home outside of the community and build your own home, but he does want 30K if you're going to be part and benefit from all amenities and services.

They also spoke about the school choice/Student Scholarship program and employment opportunities.

I think this pretty much sums it up. All in all, most of the crowd seemed very enthusiastic and excited; Hashem is the only one who knows what will happen with this project.

Feel free to ask questions, but remember, I'm not representing the Taussig's here; hence, I may not be able to answer all of your questions.





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Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 26, 2020, 06:22:18 PM
Thanks for the update!
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 26, 2020, 06:53:34 PM
Their monthly payment is missing the property insurance, which will most likely be escrowed and included in the monthly payment. I'm not sure about insurance rates in that area, but it will likely add between $250-400/mo.

Another thing to look into is their calculation for debt-to-income needed for a mortgage. I don't know that there are lenders who will allow 100% DTI, but I'm no expert.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Dan on October 26, 2020, 07:03:31 PM
No bathtubs in master bath? Only one shared bathroom for main floor bedroom?
Really surprising that newly built homes are so small, plus there's no basement for storage.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 26, 2020, 07:05:33 PM
No bathtubs in master bath? Only one shared bathroom for main floor bedroom?

Which floor plan are you looking at?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mendyt on October 26, 2020, 07:06:12 PM
Their monthly payment is missing the property insurance, which will most likely be escrowed and included in the monthly payment. I'm not sure about insurance rates in that area, but it will likely add between $250-400/mo.

Another thing to look into is their calculation for debt-to-income needed for a mortgage. I don't know that there are lenders who will allow 100% DTI, but I'm no expert.
He said it should run between 900-1300 yearly, which makes sense based on a quick google search. Don't know why it was not included on the sheet.



Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mendyt on October 26, 2020, 07:08:47 PM
No bathtubs in master bath? Only one shared bathroom for main floor bedroom?
Really surprising that newly built homes are so small, plus there's no basement for storage.
Thats right, definitely built on the cheaper side.
The Master has no tub, but the space is large enough to add it yourself.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Dan on October 26, 2020, 07:10:41 PM
Thats right, definitely built on the cheaper side.
The Master has no tub, but the space is large enough to add it yourself.

Isn't this being built for frum people? Don't most frum women want a bathtub in their bathroom?
Everything is cheaper when done in bulk up front...
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Dan on October 26, 2020, 07:11:37 PM
Which floor plan are you looking at?
All?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 26, 2020, 07:12:08 PM
He said it should run between 900-1300 yearly, which makes sense based on a quick google search. Don't know why it was not included on the sheet.

That sounds ridiculously low. South FL is a little different, but it runs between $3500-6500 for similar houses here. Hurricanes are a thing. I can get you info for an insurance agent here who may be able to get more accurate numbers.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mendyt on October 26, 2020, 07:16:25 PM
That sounds ridiculously low. South FL is a little different, but it runs between $3500-6500 for similar houses here. Hurricanes are a thing. I can get you info for an insurance agent here who may be able to get more accurate numbers.
http://letmegooglethat.com/?q=property+insurance+rates+hillsborough+county
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mendyt on October 26, 2020, 07:20:06 PM
Isn't this being built for frum people? Don't most frum women want a bathtub in their bathroom?
Everything is cheaper when done in bulk up front...
Thats right, but D.R. Horton does not want to change ANYTHING.
The original dream was in Pasco County where they did have the flexibility of customizing the homes.
It is what it is, take it or leave it.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 26, 2020, 07:24:05 PM
http://letmegooglethat.com/?q=property+insurance+rates+hillsborough+county

Further down the page:

Quote
Average homeowners insurance cost in Florida

 The average cost of homeowners insurance in Florida is $3,643, based on data from Insurance.com.Aug 4, 2020

Speak to an agent.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ad120 on October 26, 2020, 07:26:01 PM
That sounds ridiculously low. South FL is a little different, but it runs between $3500-6500 for similar houses here. Hurricanes are a thing. I can get you info for an insurance agent here who may be able to get more accurate numbers.
No hurricanes on the west coast of Florida.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mendyt on October 26, 2020, 07:28:18 PM
Further down the page:

Speak to an agent.
Def will before making a final decision.
But am sure its cheaper than South FL, its not that close to the water
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ad120 on October 26, 2020, 07:30:03 PM
While I'd love to see this train depart, I think it needs a better conductor for more reasons than one.

I've been quite on this thread of late and it's becoming increasingly difficult.
Trust your gut.
I will now return to my silence.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Dan on October 26, 2020, 07:30:14 PM
Thats right, but D.R. Horton does not want to change ANYTHING.
The original dream was in Pasco County where they did have the flexibility of customizing the homes.
It is what it is, take it or leave it.
Sounds to me like they're not using the leverage they have.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: skyguy918 on October 26, 2020, 07:40:57 PM
This would appear to be the place: https://www.drhorton.com/florida/tampa/wimauma/creek-preserve

And the site: https://www.google.com/maps/place/27%C2%B043'22.7%22N+82%C2%B018'42.8%22W/@27.7229697,-82.3140637,1023m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m14!1m7!3m6!1s0x88c2d61f1dd28807:0xde3b75c21995b2d9!2sWest+Lake+Dr,+Wimauma,+FL+33598!3b1!8m2!3d27.71596!4d-82.3189622!3m5!1s0x0:0x0!7e2!8m2!3d27.7229648!4d-82.3118759?hl=en-US

Walmart, ALDI and Publix 5 min away. Not bad.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Moshe123 on October 26, 2020, 07:51:07 PM
No hurricanes on the west coast of Florida.

Not accurate.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 26, 2020, 08:08:39 PM
Def will before making a final decision.
But am sure its cheaper than South FL, its not that close to the water

It's about as close to the water as much of South FL. The $900-1300 sounds right for condos. I would expect a minimum of $3k/year for those houses.

No hurricanes on the west coast of Florida.

Not true at all. They get hit all the time.

Sounds to me like they're not using the leverage they have.

+100. Unless they're using it to get other things.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Yehuda57 on October 26, 2020, 08:15:28 PM
Thats right, but D.R. Horton does not want to change ANYTHING.
The original dream was in Pasco County where they did have the flexibility of customizing the homes.
It is what it is, take it or leave it.

I dunno, seems unwise to lock an entire community into a development that is so inflexible.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Joel on October 26, 2020, 08:20:58 PM
I dunno, seems unwise to lock an entire community into a development that is so inflexible.
+1
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: yelped on October 26, 2020, 08:38:36 PM
Sounds to me like they're not using the leverage they have.
100%. There's no way a builder wouldn't be more flexible to someone bringing at least 100 buyers. Something doesn't add up. Seems like we're all good armchair generals here. Someone should get Mrs. Tausig to sign up here so we could all advise her (free of charge).
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Yef on October 26, 2020, 08:38:39 PM
Also The kitchens look tiny
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: EliJelly on October 26, 2020, 08:43:08 PM
Is there really a need for a car garage in Florida? Why not just park your car in the driveway and use that space to have a more spacious kitchen/DR? No snow to dig out the car from. What am I missing?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 26, 2020, 08:48:19 PM
100%. There's no way a builder wouldn't be more flexible to someone bringing at least 100 buyers. Something doesn't add up. Seems like we're all good armchair generals here. Someone should get Mrs. Tausig to sign up here so we could all advise her (free of charge).

They don't have 100 buyers yet. Based on what I've seen here, it seems like they've been looking for already planned developments and then tried working out deals with the developers. For the most flexibility, they would be best served looking for land and then shopping the project to developers who have houses that fit their needs. They seem to be in a rush, though, so I'm not sure this was ever an option. They'd also need to have commitments and cash up front to make that work, and the way they are doing it allows for more flexibility in the event they aren't able to fill an entire development.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 26, 2020, 08:51:45 PM
Is there really a need for a car garage in Florida? Why not just park your car in the driveway and use that space to have a more spacious kitchen/DR? No snow to dig out the car from. What am I missing?

We all have garages, but I think I've met one person who actually parked his car in it. They are primarily used for storage (instead of basements), and sometimes they are converted into extra bedrooms, offices, or Pesach kitchens. Most cities mandate houses have at least a 1 car garage. I believe it has something to do with having a place to put your car in a storm.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ad120 on October 26, 2020, 10:03:48 PM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1921_Tampa_Bay_hurricane
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 26, 2020, 10:11:44 PM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1921_Tampa_Bay_hurricane

Last major hurricane. Anything under a Cat 3 is not considered major. This site hasn't been updated since 2013, but contrast Hillsborough County with Miami Beach:

https://www.homefacts.com/hurricanes/Florida/Hillsborough-County.html
https://www.homefacts.com/hurricanes/Florida/Miami-Dade-County/Miami-Beach.html

I have a few friends who do insurance adjustments (me and everyone else). They spend more time in the Tampa area for storm damage than they do in SFL.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: TBD on October 26, 2020, 11:15:52 PM
Life in Florida will be more expansive. think travel alone to NY for any family related event.

You can get in Lakewood a new townhouse with 2500 SQF for 300-400K or a larger house with a finished basement for a rental for 600-700k
+$12,000 property tax a yr vs $3,000 in FL
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 26, 2020, 11:42:12 PM
+$12,000 property tax a yr vs $3,000 in FL

Those houses will probably be closer to $5k-6k/yr.

ETA: Correction, per the info sheet they put out, it's around $7k/yr. I don't know if they calculated Homestead, which may bring it closer to $6k.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: TBD on October 26, 2020, 11:50:59 PM
100%. There's no way a builder wouldn't be more flexible to someone bringing at least 100 buyers. Something doesn't add up. Seems like we're all good armchair generals here. Someone should get Mrs. Tausig to sign up here so we could all advise her (free of charge).
Sorry but DR HUrton has $20 Billion sales a year.....   where exactly is your leverage
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 26, 2020, 11:56:06 PM
This would appear to be the place: https://www.drhorton.com/florida/tampa/wimauma/creek-preserve

And the site: https://www.google.com/maps/place/27%C2%B043'22.7%22N+82%C2%B018'42.8%22W/@27.7229697,-82.3140637,1023m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m14!1m7!3m6!1s0x88c2d61f1dd28807:0xde3b75c21995b2d9!2sWest+Lake+Dr,+Wimauma,+FL+33598!3b1!8m2!3d27.71596!4d-82.3189622!3m5!1s0x0:0x0!7e2!8m2!3d27.7229648!4d-82.3118759?hl=en-US

Walmart, ALDI and Publix 5 min away. Not bad.

If you want to see FL exploding, check out that surrounding area to see how much new development is going on. That whole area used to be farmland.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: TBD on October 26, 2020, 11:56:51 PM
Sorry but DR HUrton has $20 Billion sales a year.....   where exactly is your leverage
For 2019

Homes closed ............................................................ 56,975
Homes in inventory .................................................... 27,700
Land/lots owned ....................................................... 121,400
Lots controlled under purchase contracts ................. 185,900
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: EliJelly on October 27, 2020, 12:06:58 AM
I was looking for similar style developments in FL to get a glimpse via Street view how this may look like. Most of them are private and aren't covered by Google's street view. But I did found this one. (https://www.google.com/maps/@26.3219091,-80.276548,3a,75y,197.62h,105.73t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sR74k1VP8UiV7YWk86dz4Pw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DR74k1VP8UiV7YWk86dz4Pw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dsearch.revgeo_and_fetch.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D96%26h%3D64%26yaw%3D352.0794%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&authuser=0)

I can only imagine how in the beginning people will pull up into the driveway, walk to door, and after struggling two minutes with the lock combo they'll realize they are with 3 houses off.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: TBD on October 27, 2020, 12:13:48 AM
I was looking for similar style developments in FL to get a glimpse via Street view how this may look like. Most of them are private and aren't covered by Google's street view. But I did found this one. (https://www.google.com/maps/@26.3219091,-80.276548,3a,75y,197.62h,105.73t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sR74k1VP8UiV7YWk86dz4Pw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DR74k1VP8UiV7YWk86dz4Pw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dsearch.revgeo_and_fetch.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D96%26h%3D64%26yaw%3D352.0794%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&authuser=0)

I can only imagine how in the beginning people will pull up into the driveway, walk to door, and after struggling two minutes with the lock combo they'll realize they are with 3 houses off.
Like in the Lakewood developments :-\
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Something Fishy on October 27, 2020, 12:14:45 AM
I can only imagine how in the beginning people will pull up into the driveway, walk to door, and after struggling two minutes with the lock combo they'll realize they are with 3 houses off.

AKA (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.1275687,-74.0555029,3a,75y,287.76h,90.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFG5xYAvVKtw0Iq6yQUT51A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) every (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3461334,-74.1623222,3a,75y,137.86h,81.76t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1smUOUBCDdUa-5SnSoDdh1bA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DmUOUBCDdUa-5SnSoDdh1bA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D59.10975%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192) Chassidisha (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.1109202,-74.0844196,3a,75y,199.58h,77.27t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1scgre0aSKncVW3V6usi_ilw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) development (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0458953,-74.2104175,3a,75y,17.16h,85.55t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1svfwAlKFKuksaxtKinu0OoQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DvfwAlKFKuksaxtKinu0OoQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D61.798897%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192) ever (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.1226279,-74.0517573,3a,75y,147.42h,95.95t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sB0CuC2tq9RHsIS0oUNvQzQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DB0CuC2tq9RHsIS0oUNvQzQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D82.95694%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192).
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: EliJelly on October 27, 2020, 12:18:14 AM
If you want to see FL exploding, check out that surrounding area to see how much new development is going on. That whole area used to be farmland.
Amazing indeed. This (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Valencia+Del+Sol/@27.7401908,-82.326428,3810m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0x88c2d61f1dd28807:0xde3b75c21995b2d9!2sWest+Lake+Dr,+Wimauma,+FL+33598!3b1!8m2!3d27.71596!4d-82.3189622!3m4!1s0x88c2d63faa655555:0xe2bd05b26d8b6820!8m2!3d27.745106!4d-82.3289949?hl=en-US) nearby development and model homes is impressive!
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: BP16 on October 27, 2020, 12:18:34 AM
Def will before making a final decision.
But am sure its cheaper than South FL, its not that close to the water
Thanks for the info.
Hey you never know if I may end up there. But I think they should definitely consider looking in to a different developer and should ask the people who already gave deposits if they would agree to wait a little longer but to find better houses, I think one of the main reasons people moved to Toms River was because the houses are big and of course much cheaper then Brooklyn or Monsey, but as I said earlier to get people more excited you have to have the option of bigger houses 3500-4000sf people would spend that extra 100k for that! Goyim don't usually have 6-7-8+ kids so 4 Bedrooms is way more then enough and as was mentioned about the kitchen, they look small and Jews like big kitchens.
I would have advocated at the meeting to rather find a developer who is ready to work with them regarding layouts of the house.
Any way I hope it works out as it's good to have different options to live besides NY/NJ (with Heimish crowd)
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: EliJelly on October 27, 2020, 12:20:48 AM
AKA (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.1275687,-74.0555029,3a,75y,287.76h,90.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFG5xYAvVKtw0Iq6yQUT51A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) every (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3461334,-74.1623222,3a,75y,137.86h,81.76t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1smUOUBCDdUa-5SnSoDdh1bA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DmUOUBCDdUa-5SnSoDdh1bA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D59.10975%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192) Chassidisha (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.1109202,-74.0844196,3a,75y,199.58h,77.27t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1scgre0aSKncVW3V6usi_ilw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) development (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0458953,-74.2104175,3a,75y,17.16h,85.55t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1svfwAlKFKuksaxtKinu0OoQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DvfwAlKFKuksaxtKinu0OoQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D61.798897%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192) ever (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.1226279,-74.0517573,3a,75y,147.42h,95.95t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sB0CuC2tq9RHsIS0oUNvQzQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DB0CuC2tq9RHsIS0oUNvQzQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D82.95694%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192).
Hurray for your effort! :)
Sure so but this is on a new level. Much longer rows of single family homes.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Euclid on October 27, 2020, 12:37:25 AM
Thanks for the info.
Hey you never know if I may end up there. But I think they should definitely consider looking in to a different developer and should ask the people who already gave deposits if they would agree to wait a little longer but to find better houses, I think one of the main reasons people moved to Toms River was because the houses are big and of course much cheaper then Brooklyn or Monsey, but as I said earlier to get people more excited you have to have the option of bigger houses 3500-4000sf people would spend that extra 100k for that! Goyim don't usually have 6-7-8+ kids so 4 Bedrooms is way more then enough and as was mentioned about the kitchen, they look small and Jews like big kitchens.
I would have advocated at the meeting to rather find a developer who is ready to work with them regarding layouts of the house.
Any way I hope it works out as it's good to have different options to live besides NY/NJ (with Heimish crowd)
It's funny you mention Toms River, because TR houses are big but are not designed for Jewish families either. Not many bedrooms (but huge bedrooms), small (by Jewish standards) kitchen, large 2 floor sitting room etc.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: TBD on October 27, 2020, 12:39:44 AM
Quote from: Euclid lik=topic=118512.msg2343929#msg2343929 date=1603773445
It's funny you mention Toms River, because TR houses are big but are not designed for Jewish families either. Not many bedrooms (but huge bedrooms), small (by Jewish standards) kitchen, large 2 floor sitting room etc.
And paying $4,000 a month....
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: lcm on October 27, 2020, 12:40:45 AM
They don't have 100 buyers yet. Based on what I've seen here, it seems like they've been looking for already planned developments and then tried working out deals with the developers. For the most flexibility, they would be best served looking for land and then shopping the project to developers who have houses that fit their needs. They seem to be in a rush, though, so I'm not sure this was ever an option. They'd also need to have commitments and cash up front to make that work, and the way they are doing it allows for more flexibility in the event they aren't able to fill an entire development.
+1
Iow, if the whole project doesn't work, the developers can still continue with the development.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 27, 2020, 12:40:51 AM
This thread has piqued my curiosity. I wonder where the interest level would be for a well-thought out development near Orlando with larger houses for around $400k-500k. Benefits would be being close to MCO for cheap and easy travel, closer to South FL (easier on food logistics), prior familiarity with the area with all the tourists, infrastructure sustainability because of tourism (restaurants, grocery, etc.), and business opportunities catering to those tourists. It would probably take an extra year or 2 to get off the ground. Just random late night thoughts.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: TBD on October 27, 2020, 12:50:03 AM
This thread has piqued my curiosity. I wonder where the interest level would be for a well-thought out development near Orlando with larger houses for around $400k-500k. Benefits would be being close to MCO for cheap and easy travel, closer to South FL (easier on food logistics), prior familiarity with the area with all the tourists, infrastructure sustainability because of tourism (restaurants, grocery, etc.), and business opportunities catering to those tourists. It would probably take an extra year or 2 to get off the ground. Just random late night thoughts.
or extra 3-4-5- years... Dont know how the FL DOB behaves but I believe its still a govt agency. 
For heavens sake all ideas are EXCELLENT ideas but if this person has a following that will go for this than let him build it and after that he/you can try all other great ideas... If it wont succeed he you can still try all other ideas but no reason to put this on hold because you think this is better...
 
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: TBD on October 27, 2020, 12:52:13 AM
Lakewood chasidishe community also started with Belz building small 2K sq feet houses in Harmony Park, and look how many chasidishe families moved out there in all other developments... we need a 1st one, don't need a perfect one
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 27, 2020, 12:54:51 AM
or extra 3-4-5- years... Dont know how the FL DOB behaves but I believe its still a govt agency. 
For heavens sake all ideas are EXCELLENT ideas but if this person has a following that will go for this than let him build it and after that he/you can try all other great ideas... If it wont succeed he you can still try all other ideas but no reason to put this on hold because you think this is better...

I don't think anything should be put on hold. This seems to be real and actually happening, and everything else is just a fantasy. However, there seem to be many people with serious reservations, for a number of reasons. I'm just wondering how many of these people are perpetual fence-sitters and how many are serious about making the move if their concerns are addressed.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: lakewood34 on October 27, 2020, 01:29:59 AM
does not look like there are separate playrooms and if that is correct that is really unfortunate
also what does the ongoing monthly community fee cover and can it be raised over time.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mendyt on October 27, 2020, 01:38:44 AM
I enjoy reading all the comments, it opens my eyes to some more questions.
 But as a few said, let one be a 1st even if it isn't perfect.  This will never happen If everyone will wait for the perfect dream home, perfect location and perfect price. 

In Pasco county he would've have options of 3500sf and even 4K and it seems like that was a smaller developer with more flexibility,  but as they said,  there is huge momentum right now and waiting a year longer will just kill it.

There is plenty of land all around!  And as I mentioned above, you can purchase a private larger lot within walking distance and build your own dream home.

For me personally getting out of NY to an OOT community is a huge perk and dream of mine, ill be more than happy if it never grows to more than 300- 500 famiIies, I can continue my work remotely, so many concerns that lots of people have, aren't concerns for me at all.

I do want to find out more why nothing can be done to change some layouts, along with a few other questions, I hope I'll at least be able to get an answer next week when I'm on the ground there.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mendyt on October 27, 2020, 01:47:05 AM
does not look like there are separate playrooms and if that is correct that is really unfortunate
also what does the ongoing monthly community fee cover and can it be raised over time.
Yup, playroom is a problem but some are thinking of closing down the flex room to use as a playroom (In the Hayden model) or eventually fix up the garage.

The community fee is for some amenities that come with the community, like play grounds, Swimming pool and I hope a gym too
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Chapshnell on October 27, 2020, 10:06:09 AM
It's funny you mention Toms River, because TR houses are big but are not designed for Jewish families either. Not many bedrooms (but huge bedrooms), small (by Jewish standards) kitchen, large 2 floor sitting room etc.

do you live in Toms River? Sure doesnt seem so from your words.. I do.. And I have no idea where the heck you get your info from  :D
Dont want to hijack this thread but had to comment on this..
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: avromie7 on October 27, 2020, 10:07:40 AM
do you live in Toms River? Sure doesnt seem so from your words.. I do.. And I have no idea where the heck you get your info from  :D
Dont want to hijack this thread but had to comment on this..
TR is a big place. There are definitely neighborhoods where his description is generally accurate.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Chapshnell on October 27, 2020, 10:08:05 AM
Lakewood chasidishe community also started with Belz building small 2K sq feet houses in Harmony Park, and look how many chasidishe families moved out there in all other developments... we need a 1st one, don't need a perfect one

this is the perfect comment. you start with nachshonim & eventually around & around will be filled up as well.. give it time.. The belzer nachshonim paid $250k or less for their homes..
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Chapshnell on October 27, 2020, 10:13:50 AM
TR is a big place. There are definitely neighborhoods where his description is generally accurate.

Majority of the homes in 08755 (and where yidden live in 08753) are big nice homes.. Everyone I know (and I was a nachshon) has between 4 & 10 bedrooms. Majority in the 4 to 6 range.
Even the "smaller" homes if you get a little creative can be used like a yid vs. a goy who has a different mindset when it comes to dining rooms, kitchen etc.

In either case I am rooting for this Tampa Bay community to work out because Brooklyn people need options.
The only way this can work if it gets off the ground, people are happy & once family/friends get good feedback.. come visit winter time etc. and like it it will have a GREAT chance of taking off
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: skyguy918 on October 27, 2020, 10:31:09 AM
I was looking for similar style developments in FL to get a glimpse via Street view how this may look like. Most of them are private and aren't covered by Google's street view. But I did found this one. (https://www.google.com/maps/@26.3219091,-80.276548,3a,75y,197.62h,105.73t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sR74k1VP8UiV7YWk86dz4Pw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DR74k1VP8UiV7YWk86dz4Pw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dsearch.revgeo_and_fetch.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D96%26h%3D64%26yaw%3D352.0794%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&authuser=0)

I can only imagine how in the beginning people will pull up into the driveway, walk to door, and after struggling two minutes with the lock combo they'll realize they are with 3 houses off.
Amazing indeed. This (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Valencia+Del+Sol/@27.7401908,-82.326428,3810m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0x88c2d61f1dd28807:0xde3b75c21995b2d9!2sWest+Lake+Dr,+Wimauma,+FL+33598!3b1!8m2!3d27.71596!4d-82.3189622!3m4!1s0x88c2d63faa655555:0xe2bd05b26d8b6820!8m2!3d27.745106!4d-82.3289949?hl=en-US) nearby development and model homes is impressive!
Can someone explain why all these developments in FL build in the ponds? They don't seem like they're usable at all, and if anything could be a danger. What's the point?

ETA: Also, if the land is so cheap, why build the houses on top of each other?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Mordyk on October 27, 2020, 10:38:54 AM
No bathtubs in master bath? Only one shared bathroom for main floor bedroom?
Really surprising that newly built homes are so small, plus there's no basement for storage.
i guess you have never been to Orlando developments. champions gate or Encore.  none have basements.  they aren't built like your typical homes
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Dan on October 27, 2020, 10:40:16 AM
i guess you have never been to Orlando developments. champions gate or Encore.  none have basements.  they aren't built like your typical homes
I know FL homes have no basements. That's why if I was starting new, I'd build a storage room and playroom.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Dan on October 27, 2020, 10:40:30 AM
Can someone explain why all these developments in FL build in the ponds? They don't seem like they're usable at all, and if anything could be a danger. What's the point?

ETA: Also, if the land is so cheap, why build the houses on top of each other?
+1K
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 27, 2020, 10:41:00 AM
Can someone explain why all these developments in FL build in the ponds? They don't seem like they're usable at all, and if anything could be a danger. What's the point?

Water runoff. We'd have serious flooding issues without them. Many developments make them look nice with some fountains and colored lights.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: skyguy918 on October 27, 2020, 10:47:27 AM
i guess you have never been to Orlando developments. champions gate or Encore.  none have basements.  they aren't built like your typical homes
Has nothing to do with it being a development. Generally speaking it has to do with soil conditions. The first thing is that you have to put the foundation below the frost line. The further north you go, the deeper that is. Once you're digging out to make the foundation below the frost line, you might as well just make it a basement (even if unfinished). In FL, the frost line is either very shallow or nonexistent. Some places there's just too much rock to make it worth digging out a basement. And others have either unstable or too damp soil to make a basement viable.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Mordyk on October 27, 2020, 10:47:51 AM
I know FL homes have no basements. That's why if I was starting new, I'd build a storage room and playroom.
most aren't built for frum large family use, so the layouts don't really work for us. small families can use any room for a playroom. we need all of them for children. and from what i have seen they have storage in the garage and that was enough
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: skyguy918 on October 27, 2020, 10:48:15 AM
Water runoff. We'd have serious flooding issues without them. Many developments make them look nice with some fountains and colored lights.
But if they're filled all the time, how much runoff can they catch?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Dan on October 27, 2020, 10:58:11 AM
most aren't built for frum large family use, so the layouts don't really work for us. small families can use any room for a playroom. we need all of them for children. and from what i have seen they have storage in the garage and that was enough
Exactly why those layouts make no sense. Why would you make a new frum community with houses that make no sense for frum families?
Small kitchens, no playrooms, no master bathtub, shared bedroom bathroom with entire main floor, nothing over 2.5k sq ft.
They're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Dan on October 27, 2020, 11:01:02 AM
Water runoff. We'd have serious flooding issues without them. Many developments make them look nice with some fountains and colored lights.
Are they gated? How do you stop kids from running into them? And how do you keep alligators and snakes out of them?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: avromie7 on October 27, 2020, 11:01:47 AM
But if they're filled all the time, how much runoff can they catch?
This is something we have in NJ, they're either retention ponds or detention ponds. Either the water slowly drains to a waterway, but the pond makes sure it doesn't overload the system when there is a downpour or flash flood, or it's big enough to handle all the runoff by seeping into the ground or evaporating.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: avromie7 on October 27, 2020, 11:02:53 AM
Are they gated? How do you stop kids from running into them? And how do you keep alligators and snakes out of them?
There very often are alligators in them.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: skyguy918 on October 27, 2020, 11:07:15 AM
This is something we have in NJ, they're either retention ponds or detention ponds. Either the water slowly drains to a waterway, but the pond makes sure it doesn't overload the system when there is a downpour or flash flood, or it's big enough to handle all the runoff by seeping into the ground or evaporating.
Right, but CMIIW, they're not typically integrated into the development (ie houses are all set up around the ponds).
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: avromie7 on October 27, 2020, 11:16:07 AM
Right, but CMIIW, they're not typically integrated into the development (ie houses are all set up around the ponds).
That's true, they may do it like this because they need more ponds in FL than NJ or because they want to give the houses some more privacy by not having neighbors back to back.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 27, 2020, 11:17:00 AM
But if they're filled all the time, how much runoff can they catch?

A lot of it evaporates, and many (most? all?) are built with drainage if they get too high. FL is swampland. The only way to build is to give the water a place to go. Many places have ponds and canals that empty into rivers, lakes, the ocean, or the Everglades to try to manage the rain.

Are they gated? How do you stop kids from running into them? And how do you keep alligators and snakes out of them?

Depends on the place. Most of them are not gated. South FL doesn't usually get too many gator issues, and most of the snakes are harmless. I saw as many snakes living in the Mid-Atlantic region as I have here. Central FL gets some gators, but they don't hang around the ponds too often. There's nothing there for them to eat. They do show up from time to time. Some people ignore them and some people call it in.

The kid safety issue is real, but TG I haven't heard of many horror stories. I have a canal 50 yards from my house. The neighborhood kids generally stay away, except to fish occasionally. It's dark, smelly, buggy, and holds no real appeal, and I guess kids here just grow up knowing to stay away.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: avromie7 on October 27, 2020, 11:21:51 AM
A lot of it evaporates, and many (most? all?) are built with drainage if they get too high. FL is swampland. The only way to build is to give the water a place to go. Many places have ponds and canals that empty into rivers, lakes, the ocean, or the Everglades to try to manage the rain.

Depends on the place. Most of them are not gated. South FL doesn't usually get too many gator issues, and most of the snakes are harmless. I saw as many snakes living in the Mid-Atlantic region as I have here. Central FL gets some gators, but they don't hang around the ponds too often. There's nothing there for them to eat. They do show up from time to time. Some people ignore them and some people call it in.

The kid safety issue is real, but TG I haven't heard of many horror stories. I have a canal 50 yards from my house. The neighborhood kids generally stay away, except to fish occasionally. It's dark, smelly, buggy, and holds no real appeal, and I guess kids here just grow up knowing to stay away.
When I was in Orlando, there were definitely gators in the pond behind us.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 27, 2020, 11:24:59 AM
When I was in Orlando, there were definitely gators in the pond behind us.

They are definitely a lot more common in Central FL. It depends on the area and how close it is to food sources.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Yehuda57 on October 27, 2020, 11:32:07 AM
Maybe people want to live in a gatored community
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: etech0 on October 27, 2020, 11:40:41 AM
There very often are alligators in them.
All the more reason to keep kids out
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 27, 2020, 11:48:15 AM
Maybe people want to live in a gatored community

I hate liking this because I don't want to encourage it, but you are who you are and my likes won't change that.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Chapshnell on October 27, 2020, 11:50:14 AM
Exactly why those layouts make no sense. Why would you make a new frum community with houses that make no sense for frum families?
Small kitchens, no playrooms, no master bathtub, shared bedroom bathroom with entire main floor, nothing over 2.5k sq ft.
They're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

Nothing is perfect.. It starts out as imperfect and it gets better as the community will grow. The only issue is "lechatchila" to go build non jewish homes for a jewish community is ridiculous. But if the developer tells you take it or leave it, I dont care... what do you do? You want to get this up & running.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: yelped on October 27, 2020, 11:52:34 AM
I find it hard to believe that this is a take it or leave it situation. If the developer is that hard to deal with, I'm sure there are other options.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Dan on October 27, 2020, 11:52:42 AM
Nothing is perfect.. It starts out as imperfect and it gets better as the community will grow. The only issue is "lechatchila" to go build non jewish homes for a jewish community is ridiculous. But if the developer tells you take it or leave it, I dont care... what do you do? You want to get this up & running.
This is insane.
You find a new developer. Full stop.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Yehuda57 on October 27, 2020, 11:56:25 AM
I hate liking this because I don't want to encourage it, but you are who you are and my likes won't change that.

Indeed

Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Mordyk on October 27, 2020, 12:15:10 PM
Exactly why those layouts make no sense. Why would you make a new frum community with houses that make no sense for frum families?
Small kitchens, no playrooms, no master bathtub, shared bedroom bathroom with entire main floor, nothing over 2.5k sq ft.
They're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.
Because they aren't building a community.  They are piggy backing off current development plans.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Mordyk on October 27, 2020, 12:18:05 PM
I find it hard to believe that this is a take it or leave it situation. If the developer is that hard to deal with, I'm sure there are other options.
My father spoke to one of the developers form a similar different project.   They basically order the whole development material that gets delivered like individual puzzles.  They put them up in no time. And no room for customization.

We were there for sukkos and I saw how they went from pouring foundations on day one, to by the time we left pool was poured and electrical work was being done. And this was on 15 homes at once.  Thats their business model
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: BP16 on October 27, 2020, 12:23:49 PM
This is insane.
You find a new developer. Full stop.
I am fully with you on this! If you have close to 100 people ready and loaded to move from NY-FL then wait for the best deal not just grab one that people may end up not liking, I would get more options and let the people decide if they are ready to wait for something better or stay with something that may not exactly fit there needs.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Dan on October 27, 2020, 12:25:16 PM
I am fully with you on this! If you have close to 100 people ready and loaded to move from NY-FL then wait for the best deal not just grab one that people may end up not liking, I would get more options and let the people decide if they are ready to wait for something better or stay with something that may not exactly fit there needs.
Exactly.
With 100 families, there's no reason you can't find a developer to allow you to design a couple frum home options that make sense.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Cat18 on October 27, 2020, 12:32:23 PM
This thread has piqued my curiosity. I wonder where the interest level would be for a well-thought out development near Orlando with larger houses for around $400k-500k. Benefits would be being close to MCO for cheap and easy travel, closer to South FL (easier on food logistics), prior familiarity with the area with all the tourists, infrastructure sustainability because of tourism (restaurants, grocery, etc.), and business opportunities catering to those tourists. It would probably take an extra year or 2 to get off the ground. Just random late night thoughts.

eli steinhardt, a frum guy formerly from chicago is already doing this.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Mordyk on October 27, 2020, 12:33:23 PM
Exactly.
With 100 families, there's no reason you can't find a developer to allow you to design a couple frum home options that make sense.
its the easy way out to piggy back off current plans. simple as that.   they are basically sales people at this point trying to bring their own crowd
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 27, 2020, 12:35:00 PM
eli steinhardt, a frum guy formerly from chicago is already doing this.

Details?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: lubaby on October 27, 2020, 01:05:10 PM
Details?
GIYF

https://edengardenvillas.com/
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: YoelFried on October 27, 2020, 01:17:32 PM
GIYF

https://edengardenvillas.com/
Master bedroom on first floor?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 27, 2020, 01:19:56 PM
eli steinhardt, a frum guy formerly from chicago is already doing this.
GIYF

https://edengardenvillas.com/

Definitely not what I had in mind. This is being marketed as a vacation community, with resort-style amenities. I don't know the price tag on those houses, but it looks like they'll start in the mid-400s and go well into the 600s. If anyone has details, please post them.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: skyguy918 on October 27, 2020, 01:22:15 PM
Dan already alluded to this, but any of these developments are going to be done by a production builder. That means they're building from a catalog of pre-designed homes. There are places where a production builder might allow for certain customizations, but that's just going to shift you farther toward the custom builder end of the price spectrum. The suggestion here is to find a builder that will provide a few options that are modified from the 'stock' designs to be more palatable to the frum consumer. This does not break the production business model, as you're still building only a few different house types over and over again throughout the development. We're not talking about customizing each house.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Dawie on October 27, 2020, 01:23:18 PM
Master bedroom on first floor?
for the grandparents, or the owners when they cant do stairs...
it is Florida after all
or guest room
not sure why so close to the playroom though
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: TBD on October 27, 2020, 02:36:42 PM
Its all very legit concerns, but for the person with 5 kids living in a 2 BR apt in Brooklyn 975 sq ft total with no bathroom in master BR (which is 9 * 9 sq ft big) and no playroom and no living space and has only $40k-50k saved for down payment (from unemployment that he filed for himself and his wife :-*), He should wait another few years in his cramped apt because MAYBE someone will have to offer a bathtub and playroom is.............

Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: BP16 on October 27, 2020, 03:01:04 PM
Its all very legit concerns, but for the person with 5 kids living in a 2 BR apt in Brooklyn 975 sq ft total with no bathroom in master BR (which is 9 * 9 sq ft big) and no playroom and no living space and has only $40k-50k saved for down payment (from unemployment that he filed for himself and his wife :-*), He should wait another few years in his cramped apt because MAYBE someone will have to offer a bathtub and playroom is.............
few years? because maybe? first of all as was said above the original was put on hold for a year because of Covid, second at least give options, you are not moving from NY to NJ its to FL its a big step actually a huge step so living much better in a better suited house could make a huge difference.
People get excited for big houses and it would pay off to wait a little more to get better options. 
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: avromie7 on October 27, 2020, 03:02:08 PM
Its all very legit concerns, but for the person with 5 kids living in a 2 BR apt in Brooklyn 975 sq ft total with no bathroom in master BR (which is 9 * 9 sq ft big) and no playroom and no living space and has only $40k-50k saved for down payment (from unemployment that he filed for himself and his wife :-*), He should wait another few years in his cramped apt because MAYBE someone will have to offer a bathtub and playroom is.............
This is exactly who this will attract. If this takes off, there will likely be other nearby developments that the developer will be happy to customize, or a frum developer will build there..
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: avromie7 on October 27, 2020, 03:03:44 PM
few years? because maybe? first of all as was said above the original was put on hold for a year because of Covid, second at least give options, you are not moving from NY to NJ its to FL its a big step actually a huge step so living much better in a better suited house could make a huge difference.
People get excited for big houses and it would pay off to wait a little more to get better options.
If this really takes off, there will always be frum people interested in these houses. You can always sell and buy in the new development next door.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: BP16 on October 27, 2020, 03:06:07 PM
If this really takes off, there will always be frum people interested in these houses. You can always sell and buy in the new development next door.
Yes its possible but why start off with that? I am sure there are different options or they should give different options.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 27, 2020, 03:16:01 PM
Yes its possible but why start off with that? I am sure there are different options or they should give different options.

For what they are trying to do, the options are limited. They need to be able to work with the developer, the local government, and deliver on their promises to the people who already put down deposits. The need housing that meets their budget, a location that can have a shul readily accessible, and a school that is certified with the proper facilities. They need to meet the timeline they set, as people have to plan in advance for housing, schooling, work, moving, etc. There are a lot of moving pieces here.

If people look at these places as starter homes, I think this can work well, even with all the restrictions.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: avromie7 on October 27, 2020, 03:21:19 PM
For what they are trying to do, the options are limited. They need to be able to work with the developer, the local government, and deliver on their promises to the people who already put down deposits. The need housing that meets their budget, a location that can have a shul readily accessible, and a school that is certified with the proper facilities. They need to meet the timeline they set, as people have to plan in advance for housing, schooling, work, moving, etc. There are a lot of moving pieces here.

If people look at these places as starter homes, I think this can work well, even with all the restrictions.
The 2 bigger options don't even need to be starters, while they're not 3500sqf they're not tiny either. If it takes off there will be people interested in the smaller ones as starters and/or vacation rentals.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: EliJelly on October 27, 2020, 03:22:00 PM
Maybe people want to live in a gatored community
All the more reason to keep kids out
Ah that's the reason they are usually exclusively for 55+ :)
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 27, 2020, 03:23:28 PM
Ah that's the reason they are usually exclusively for 55+ :)

Other way around... that's why they let the gators in. Helps keep it 55+.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mendyt on October 27, 2020, 03:25:09 PM
By the way,
I wonder why people don't ask all these questions to most Monsey area residents who moved out to small high ranches or colonials.

The price is low, 2600ft is not tiny, all you need is invest a little more money to make it perfect.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 27, 2020, 03:25:26 PM
The 2 bigger options don't even need to be starters, while they're not 3500sqf they're not tiny either. If it takes off there will be people interested in the smaller ones as starters and/or vacation rentals.

The smaller houses can work out, as well, once people adjust. I'm just saying that if people don't look at this place as the neighborhood they are tied to for the rest of their lives, there's no reason this can't work. It gets the ball rolling. It will be much easier to build future communities (and/or expand on that one) once people are living here already.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Dan on October 27, 2020, 03:27:44 PM
By the way,
I wonder why people don't ask all these questions to most Monsey area residents who moved out to small high ranches or colonials.

The price is low, 2600ft is not tiny, all you need is invest a little more money to make it perfect.

Were those purpose built from scratch?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Something Fishy on October 27, 2020, 03:28:38 PM
By the way,
I wonder why people don't ask all these questions to most Monsey area residents who moved out to small high ranches or colonials.

These houses typically have lots of private outdoor space, which helps. More importantly, to be a Nachshon you need to have a serious incentive. And to collect 100 Nachshonim, you'd want something that appeals to many.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mendyt on October 27, 2020, 03:30:54 PM
Were those purpose built from scratch?
I agree, It was not, however people felt the need of moving out and they just made it livable.
Its easy to sit on DDF and have wise plans w/o moving a finger. oh, well, the fingers are working hard here  ;)


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Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: avromie7 on October 27, 2020, 03:31:29 PM
These houses typically have lots of private outdoor space, which helps. More importantly, to be a Nachshon you need to have a serious incentive. And to collect 100 Nachshonim, you'd want something that appeals to many.
This is something they're not going to have, but it's still better than Brooklyn.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: BP16 on October 27, 2020, 03:38:24 PM
@mendyt you said I would label most as Normal center chasidish families could you please elaborate from which Chasedis?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Chapshnell on October 27, 2020, 03:39:45 PM
By the way,
I wonder why people don't ask all these questions to most Monsey area residents who moved out to small high ranches or colonials.

The price is low, 2600ft is not tiny, all you need is invest a little more money to make it perfect.

100%. Chestnut Ridge etc.. The only reason why people are saying "hey" is because to lechatchila build something not yiddish is weird. If it is take it or leave it its good.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mendyt on October 27, 2020, 03:40:40 PM
@mendyt you said I would label most as Normal center chasidish families could you please elaborate from which Chasedis?
Probably all.

As I wrote in my longer post, I did not speak with everyone, but I did meet:
Satmer
Belz
Gur
Pupa
Viznits
Neutral
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Chapshnell on October 27, 2020, 03:41:02 PM
These houses typically have lots of private outdoor space, which helps. More importantly, to be a Nachshon you need to have a serious incentive. And to collect 100 Nachshonim, you'd want something that appeals to many.

because this is whats available so people just buy it & figure out a way to make it work!
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Chapshnell on October 27, 2020, 03:42:13 PM
Probably all.

As I wrote in my longer post, I did not speak with everyone, but I did meet:
Satmer
Belz
Gur
Pupa
Viznits
Neutral

if its a mix that's very healthy. I like what i am seeing.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mendyt on October 27, 2020, 03:45:53 PM
if its a mix that's very healthy. I like what i am seeing.
That's exactly what I meant.

I grew up in Monsey, (original Monsey)
We were surrounded with secular Jews, and our closest neighbors were hardcore litfaks or BT lubab, and we all got along very very well.
Personally, I would love to see Jews from all sectors not just Chasidim, and I hope that eventually it will.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Joel on October 27, 2020, 03:46:49 PM
Its all very legit concerns, but for the person with 5 kids living in a 2 BR apt in Brooklyn 975 sq ft total with no bathroom in master BR (which is 9 * 9 sq ft big) and no playroom and no living space and has only $40k-50k saved for down payment (from unemployment that he filed for himself and his wife :-*), He should wait another few years in his cramped apt because MAYBE someone will have to offer a bathtub and playroom is.............
Still not understating why FL will be better then NJ besides income tax..

Life in Florida will be more expansive. think travel alone to NY for any family related event.

You can get in Lakewood a new townhouse with 2500 SQF for 300-400K or a larger house with a finished basement for a rental for 600-700k
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Yehuda57 on October 27, 2020, 03:53:28 PM
Still not understating why FL will be better then NJ

Life in Florida will be more expansive.

Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 27, 2020, 03:58:20 PM
Still not understating why FL will be better then NJ besides income tax..

Income tax, VPK/Step Up, generally lower COL, your vote counts, fewer Dem-agogues, one of the fastest growing states/economies, NO SNOW.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: avromie7 on October 27, 2020, 03:59:30 PM
Still not understating why FL will be better then NJ besides income tax..
Your numbers are off, I don't see anything near the 300-400k price range with 2000+sqf in lakewood.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Joel on October 27, 2020, 04:01:08 PM

Not in the current tiny homes. lol
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Something Fishy on October 27, 2020, 04:02:09 PM
NO SNOW.

Deal breaker for me ;D.

Seriously though, I would love to move out somewhere. But FL is just too hot and too flat for me. I basically want a cheaper, smaller version of Monsey lol.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 27, 2020, 04:03:06 PM
Deal breaker for me ;D.

Seriously though, I would love to move out somewhere. But FL is just too hot and too flat for me. I basically want a cheaper, smaller version of Monsey lol.

We have planes if you get the urge. But you will never have to dig your car out.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Dan on October 27, 2020, 04:04:28 PM
We have planes if you get the urge. But you will never have to dig your car out.
Instead you'll shvitz through your clothes walking to shul or anywhere for 8 months of the year.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mmgfarb on October 27, 2020, 04:04:56 PM


I basically want a cheaper, smaller version of Monsey lol.
Yo, I hear there's this place in the Midwest, sooper seekrit, not that many people know about it. I can't give too many details about it but it has a C, an E, and an L in its airport code.

Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Something Fishy on October 27, 2020, 04:08:12 PM
We have planes if you get the urge. But you will never have to dig your car out.

I can't stand the heat, I'd rather live somewhere cold year round and take a plane when I get the urge to be somewhere warm.

I also have 10-15 miles of mountainous trails within 10 minutes of my house, and hundreds of miles more within 30 minutes. That's a biggie for me.

Anyway, let's not turn this into the pros and cons of where you live thread. I'm just saying why Tampa specifically is probably not the place for me.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 27, 2020, 04:08:32 PM
Instead you'll shvitz through your clothes walking to shul or anywhere for 8 months of the year.

Meh. Oversold. Your body adjusts pretty quick once you're living here. And we don't walk anywhere, other than shul on shabbos.

Made the move in 2012, never regretted it. I hate the cold.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Yehuda57 on October 27, 2020, 04:09:01 PM
too flat for me.

there's this place in the Midwest
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Something Fishy on October 27, 2020, 04:09:05 PM
Yo, I hear there's this place in the Midwest, sooper seekrit, not that many people know about it. I can't give too many details about it but it has a C, an E, and an L in its airport code.

Let me know when there's a chassidisha school there and I'll ask you for a realtor recommendation.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mmgfarb on October 27, 2020, 04:10:45 PM
Let me know when there's a chassidisha school there and I'll ask you for a realtor recommendation.
Overrated, diversity is good for chinuch
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Yehuda57 on October 27, 2020, 04:11:16 PM
Meh. Oversold. Your body adjusts pretty quick once you're living here.

You tell yourself whatever you need to
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mendyt on October 27, 2020, 04:11:28 PM

I also have 10-15 miles of mountainous trails within 10 minutes of my house, and hundreds of miles more within 30 minutes. That's a biggie for me.

Agree on this one!
Just hiked this morning
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 27, 2020, 04:12:49 PM
You tell yourself whatever you need to

Morning affirmations are life changing.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Joel on October 27, 2020, 04:21:39 PM
Your numbers are off, I don't see anything near the 300-400k price range with 2000+sqf in lakewood.
Finchley Commons... IIRC 400K 2500SQF
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Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: avromie7 on October 27, 2020, 04:36:26 PM
Finchley Commons... IIRC 400K 2500SQF
(https://i.postimg.cc/GpgqTg80/Capture.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/SX8WwrfV)
Where is that?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Mordyk on October 27, 2020, 04:41:05 PM
Instead you'll shvitz through your clothes walking to shul or anywhere for 8 months of the year.
+100(degrees)

I am a hot day over cold day type of guy, but after spending Sukkos in Orlando i had a change of heart about living there. we were literally sweating from when we got there until we left.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: luckyluck on October 27, 2020, 04:54:03 PM
I basically want a cheaper, smaller version of Monsey lol.

Jackson, NJ ?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Dawie on October 27, 2020, 04:57:31 PM
Jackson, NJ ?
ROTFL
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Joel on October 27, 2020, 04:57:49 PM
Where is that?
Near Oak & Vine
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: BP16 on October 27, 2020, 05:49:32 PM
I would rather the cold of South Dakota (who BTW has a great Governor) Then the heat of FL and Tampa is very rainy in the summer month, I always felt if it's cold you can make yourself warm but when it's hot ain't nothing you can do.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: TBD on October 27, 2020, 08:18:51 PM
Income tax, VPK/Step Up, generally lower COL, your vote counts, fewer Dem-agogues, one of the fastest growing states/economies, NO SNOW.
AND BIGGEST GAIN............... FREE TUITION.....   
FL  $1900 a month mortgage
Lakewood $2400 mortgage+$2,000 Tuition+a bathtub+playroom
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: TBD on October 27, 2020, 08:21:40 PM
Instead you'll shvitz through your clothes walking to shul or anywhere for 8 months of the year.
Or shvitz 12 months a yr in NYC on how to cover the bank
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: yesitsme on October 27, 2020, 08:39:41 PM
Deal breaker for me ;D.

Seriously though, I would love to move out somewhere. But FL is just too hot and too flat for me. I basically want a cheaper, smaller version of Monsey lol.
I love Monsey, but Monsey doesn't exist anymore
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: gozalim on October 27, 2020, 08:40:13 PM
Good luck on the free tuition without the economy of scale of large community. The voucher will help the tuition stay competitive with 'in town' but not free by any stretch.
Amirite? Any of our FL members?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: TBD on October 27, 2020, 08:45:23 PM
Good luck on the free tuition without the economy of scale of large community. The voucher will help the tuition stay competitive with 'in town' but not free by any stretch.
Amirite? Any of our FL members?
None of the new chasidishe developments in Lakewood have any tuition benefits from large community. all are starting from scratch and... no vouchers
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Dan on October 27, 2020, 08:47:00 PM
Or shvitz 12 months a yr in NYC on how to cover the bank
News flash. There are more options than FL and NY.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: EliJelly on October 27, 2020, 08:50:08 PM
Seriously though, I would love to move out somewhere. But FL is just too hot and too flat for me. I basically want a cheaper, smaller version of Monsey lol.
Anchorage?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Euclid on October 27, 2020, 08:51:31 PM
New flash. There are more options than FL and NY.
And Miami is even in Ohio!
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 27, 2020, 08:56:13 PM
AND BIGGEST GAIN............... FREE TUITION.....   

How is tuition free?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: TBD on October 27, 2020, 10:55:07 PM
How is tuition free?
No Idea. Was just advertised that there is school choice program in FL if its not true than pls update
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: TBD on October 27, 2020, 10:57:18 PM
News flash. There are more options than FL and NY.
You are very welcome to open a development in CLE... Can even have a sponsored link on Dansdeals :-*
Meanwhile there is nothing else offered for heimish community in this price range
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: aygart on October 27, 2020, 11:29:35 PM
No Idea. Was just advertised that there is school choice program in FL if its not true than pls update
School choice does not always mean free tuition whatever you want.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: TBD on October 27, 2020, 11:37:40 PM
AND BIGGEST GAIN............... FREE TUITION.....   
FL  $1900 a month mortgage
Lakewood $2400 mortgage+$2,000 Tuition+a bathtub+playroom
AND BIGGEST GAIN............... $500 OFF MONTHLY TUITION PER CHILD.....   
FL  $1900 a month mortgage
Lakewood $2400 mortgage+$500 Tuition Per child+a bathtub+playroom
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mendyt on October 27, 2020, 11:55:00 PM
In Chasidish mosdos Rabbaim and Teachers aren't paid that much, therefore, its possible to run the School without charging the parents

HOWEVER they need a certain amount of kids per class in order to be fully covered by the program, I think he said 18.
In case the class has less, they will have to charge a little bit to cover the gap.

(https://i.postimg.cc/LXpycCXX/STEP-UP-Income-Based-Scholarship-Amounts-1-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XZscFg9S)

(https://i.postimg.cc/J07pnsjC/STEP-UP-Income-Guidelines-2020-21-Combined-FTC-FES-FINAL-1-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ph7fcX0s)
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: fresar on October 28, 2020, 12:27:35 AM
+100(degrees)

I am a hot day over cold day type of guy, but after spending Sukkos in Orlando i had a change of heart about living there. we were literally sweating from when we got there until we left.

Dan, is there a reason why you are so negative about this development? I didn’t see even 1 positive post about it

Regarding the weather, if you dress appropriately you should be fine. In nyc you don’t go out 8 months of the year because of the weather, (6 in the winter and 2 in the summer) In Florida it’s about 6 months .
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Dan on October 28, 2020, 12:39:26 AM
Dan, is there a reason why you are so negative about this development? I didn’t see even 1 positive post about it

Regarding the weather, if you dress appropriately you should be fine. In nyc you don’t go out 8 months of the year because of the weather, (6 in the winter and 2 in the summer) In Florida it’s about 6 months .
My philosophy in life is that if you're going to do something big, do it right. Granted everything here is secondhand at best, but it sure seems haphazard and done b'dieved at best. The ardent defenders sound like they're backing 3D tablets and I'm half expecting a nasty voicemail tomorrow...

But I hope I'm wrong and that everyone gets what they're hoping to get out of this. My skepticism should just motivate others to make this work, and work better.

The weather discussion really belongs in the pros/cons thread and not here, but my thoughts on that is that it's much easier (for frum people) to keep warm than it is to stay cool. But to each their own, plenty of space for people who prefer northern and southern climates.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: TBD on October 28, 2020, 01:14:24 AM
My philosophy in life is that if you're going to do something big, do it right. Granted everything here is secondhand at best, but it sure seems haphazard and done b'dieved at best. The ardent defenders sound like they're backing 3D tablets and I'm half expecting a nasty voicemail tomorrow...

But I hope I'm wrong and that everyone gets what they're hoping to get out of this. My skepticism should just motivate others to make this work, and work better.

The weather discussion really belongs in the pros/cons thread and not here, but my thoughts on that is that it's much easier (for frum people) to keep warm than it is to stay cool. But to each their own, plenty of space for people who prefer northern and southern climates.
Sorry @Dan but the defenders of this project are only vying for some additional parking spaces in Brooklyn :-*
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: YitzyS on October 28, 2020, 02:04:04 AM
News flash. There are more options than FL and NY.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 28, 2020, 08:13:18 AM
In Chasidish mosdos Rabbaim and Teachers aren't paid that much, therefore, its possible to run the School without charging the parents

HOWEVER they need a certain amount of kids per class in order to be fully covered by the program, I think he said 18.
In case the class has less, they will have to charge a little bit to cover the gap.]

CMIIW, but most mosdos rely very heavily on donations. Even if the teachers don't get paid much, you still need facilities and equipment. Those things often get donated in other communities. There are also admin costs in getting a new school set up.

18 kids per class in K-8, with separate classes for boys and girls, means they need 324 kids. That's setting the bar pretty high. It's very doable after a few years, but people need to be prepared to cover those first few years until more people move down.

ETA: Another thing that needs to be taken into account is that you can't pay teachers in FL like you do in NY. All of your teachers will be living in your community, meaning they are paying $25k-30k a year in housing alone. There is no Section 8 covering things. They likely won't qualify for food stamps, and definitely not at NY levels. There are also fewer organizations to help cover the gaps. No gemachs. The teachers need to be paid properly, or the whole community falls apart.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: fresar on October 28, 2020, 08:33:28 AM
CMIIW, but most mosdos rely very heavily on donations. Even if the teachers don't get paid much, you still need facilities and equipment. Those things often get donated in other communities. There are also admin costs in getting a new school set up.

18 kids per class in K-8, with separate classes for boys and girls, means they need 324 kids. That's setting the bar pretty high. It's very doable after a few years, but people need to be prepared to cover those first few years until more people move down.

ETA: Another thing that needs to be taken into account is that you can't pay teachers in FL like you do in NY. All of your teachers will be living in your community, meaning they are paying $25k-30k a year in housing alone. There is no Section 8 covering things. They likely won't qualify for food stamps, and definitely not at NY levels. There are also fewer organizations to help cover the gaps. No gemachs. The teachers need to be paid properly, or the whole community falls apart.

If your living expenses is cut in half, the you don't need to make so much money.
AFAIK, most people don't have section 8 in NYC.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 28, 2020, 08:35:01 AM
If your living expenses is cut in half, the you don't need to make so much money.
AFAIK, most people don't have section 8 in NYC.

Which living expenses are cut in half?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: fresar on October 28, 2020, 08:51:38 AM
Which living expenses are cut in half?

Mortgage, Tution, Taxes, Clothing
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 28, 2020, 08:56:46 AM
Mortgage, Tution, Taxes, Clothing

I'm not following. You're saying that the average teacher will pay less in housing, tuition, taxes, and clothing in which place?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: YoelFried on October 28, 2020, 09:00:56 AM
Which living expenses are cut in half?
In ny. Alot of people morgatge / rent is more then 50% of their household income, both parents working.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 28, 2020, 09:06:26 AM
In ny. Alot of people morgatge / rent is more then 50% of their household income, both parents working.

I'm not talking about people in general. Specifically teachers. How many of them are paying $30k a year in housing right now? How much are they paying in tuition in NY? Mosdos in NY get away with paying them very little for a reason.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: aygart on October 28, 2020, 09:15:21 AM
AND BIGGEST GAIN............... $500 OFF MONTHLY TUITION PER CHILD.....   
FL  $1900 a month mortgage
Lakewood $2400 mortgage+$500 Tuition Per child+a bathtub+playroom
Once you calculate for how much higher tuition is this will not even pay for the higher cost of milk of there are any savings at all.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: avromie7 on October 28, 2020, 09:16:46 AM
I'm not talking about people in general. Specifically teachers. How many of them are paying $30k a year in housing right now? How much are they paying in tuition in NY? Mosdos in NY get away with paying them very little for a reason.
In NY, you can barely get a 1BR apartment for 30k/year.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Joel on October 28, 2020, 09:37:21 AM
In NY, you can barely get a 1BR apartment for 30k/year.
For 30k 2 bedroom not 1
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: avromie7 on October 28, 2020, 09:38:24 AM
For 30k 2 bedroom not 1
Point still stands.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: fresar on October 28, 2020, 10:14:27 AM
I'm not talking about people in general. Specifically teachers. How many of them are paying $30k a year in housing right now? How much are they paying in tuition in NY? Mosdos in NY get away with paying them very little for a reason.

If they live in nyc they pay 3k a month, most teachers have big families. If they live in Monsey and probably owe a home it’s closer to 4K

in FL housing payment is $24000 It’s almost half then in NY, and you don’t need to dress your kids in the most expensive clothing
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 28, 2020, 10:30:34 AM
In NY, you can barely get a 1BR apartment for 30k/year.
For 30k 2 bedroom not 1
Point still stands.

The point it, if you average all the teachers' housing expenses, you probably won't come up to $30k. You have single teachers, newly married teachers, teachers in rent-controlled or subsidized housing, and Section 8 housing. None of that is available in this community.

People underestimate the amount of tzedaka that is given in NY communities to help keep them afloat. The #1 biggest struggle of any new community will be filling those gaps. Unless the community is being backed by people of means, it will be a huge struggle, and one that will be hard to predict or quantify.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 28, 2020, 10:32:35 AM
If they live in nyc they pay 3k a month, most teachers have big families. If they live in Monsey and probably owe a home it’s closer to 4K

in FL housing payment is $24000 It’s almost half then in NY, and you don’t need to dress your kids in the most expensive clothing

How it the average teacher paying between $3-4k a month in housing? Where is the money coming from?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: YoelFried on October 28, 2020, 10:35:55 AM
The point it, if you average all the teachers' housing expenses, you probably won't come up to $30k. You have single teachers, newly married teachers, teachers in rent-controlled or subsidized housing, and Section 8 housing. None of that is available in this community.

People underestimate the amount of tzedaka that is given in NY communities to help keep them afloat. The #1 biggest struggle of any new community will be filling those gaps. Unless the community is being backed by people of means, it will be a huge struggle, and one that will be hard to predict or quantify.
[mention]Lurker [/mention] I think you are over estimating the help people in ny get from government and organizations. Out of my circle in bais medrash I don't know anyone having section 8.

What most people are stuck is with Medicaid, that I assume that it's doable in Florida as well. But most people don't take fs as in the previous years.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: YoelFried on October 28, 2020, 10:38:10 AM
How it the average teacher paying between $3-4k a month in housing? Where is the money coming from?
Alot of the chasidish homes, both parents are working as I pointed out earlier. Sometimes it's only a side hustle, like selling fake jewelry, kids clothing etc. Sometimes the wife is working and the husband thats in kollel gets a tutor job etc.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 28, 2020, 10:41:33 AM
[mention]Lurker [/mention] I think you are over estimating the help people in ny get from government and organizations. Out of my circle in bais medrash I don't know anyone having section 8.

What most people are stuck is with Medicaid, that I assume that it's doable in Florida as well. But most people don't take fs as in the previous years.

You don't need everyone to be getting free stuff. All you need is a some teachers who you can pay less to in order to spread the little you have. Here, every single teacher is paying a minimum of $25k a year in housing. I don't think you have a single school in NY where you can say that.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mendyt on October 28, 2020, 10:52:46 AM
CMIIW, but most mosdos rely very heavily on donations. Even if the teachers don't get paid much, you still need facilities and equipment. Those things often get donated in other communities. There are also admin costs in getting a new school set up.

18 kids per class in K-8, with separate classes for boys and girls, means they need 324 kids. That's setting the bar pretty high. It's very doable after a few years, but people need to be prepared to cover those first few years until more people move down.

ETA: Another thing that needs to be taken into account is that you can't pay teachers in FL like you do in NY. All of your teachers will be living in your community, meaning they are paying $25k-30k a year in housing alone. There is no Section 8 covering things. They likely won't qualify for food stamps, and definitely not at NY levels. There are also fewer organizations to help cover the gaps. No gemachs. The teachers need to be paid properly, or the whole community falls apart.
I agree that they need to get paid more for lots of reasons!
Look at melamdim in chasidish Mosdos, some are sooo unqualified,  and its happening because the younger generation almost doesn't have section 8 and no one can live with those pay checks.
I really don't know how they ran the numbers but don't forget he is a adding 30K per house for infrastructure, so the buildings should be paid off, and when talking about chasidim, it's not hard at all to reach this number.
I live in a ghetto of 18 Families, 9 are younger couples and still there are more than 120 kids here.

I personally don't think tuition will be completely free, and for sure not the first 2-3 years, but I'm sure it will be way less than NY
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 28, 2020, 10:58:35 AM
I'm not trying to be difficult or make as if everyone in NY is living on handouts. I live in a community with less than 250 families. We don't have a lot of wealthy people here. Most are lower middle class. These are struggles I am involved in on a regular basis. The shul needs to be paid for. The school needs to be paid for. People need help from time to time. These are things the average person moving out has never had to deal with. If you can't pay the teachers enough to live, you have no teachers and then no school.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Chapshnell on October 28, 2020, 11:01:00 AM
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Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Chapshnell on October 28, 2020, 11:01:20 AM

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Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Something Fishy on October 28, 2020, 11:07:12 AM
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Is that a NYCDOB inspector ;D?

In all seriousness, it seems to be a pretty homogenous group overall.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 28, 2020, 11:13:07 AM
I really don't know how they ran the numbers but don't forget he is a adding 30K per house for infrastructure, so the buildings should be paid off, and when talking about chasidim, it's not hard at all to reach this number.

You seem very invested in this project, and I wish you much hatzlacha. The one piece of advice I would give you is to get involved. Don't take numbers at face value. Ask exactly how each little thing is being paid for and where every penny is going. It's ok for people to be making money off of this deal, but it is not ok to make half-baked plans and stick people with avoidable or foreseeable expenses after they move. The viability of this community, or any small community, relies on widespread community engagement and involvement. People need to get their hands dirty.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mendyt on October 28, 2020, 11:22:11 AM
You seem very invested in this project, and I wish you much hatzlacha. The one piece of advice I would give you is to get involved. Don't take numbers at face value. Ask exactly how each little thing is being paid for and where every penny is going. It's ok for people to be making money off of this deal, but it is not ok to make half-baked plans and stick people with avoidable or foreseeable expenses after they move. The viability of this community, or any small community, relies on widespread community engagement and involvement. People need to get their hands dirty.
Thanks @Lurker I totally agree on this!
And thats why I'm not rushing to sign contract
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: username on October 28, 2020, 11:22:22 AM
Also, free tuition is only children entering kindergarten now, for as long as the program runs, hopefully through HS. If your child is now older than that, there are no subsidies, CMIIW.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ad120 on October 28, 2020, 05:09:47 PM
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That is the largest amount of people he has every had in that building!
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: EliJelly on October 28, 2020, 07:57:52 PM
In all seriousness, it seems to be a pretty homogenous group overall.
It can fit his description of;
Probably all.

As I wrote in my longer post, I did not speak with everyone, but I did meet:
Satmer
Belz
Gur
Pupa
Viznits
Neutral
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: fresar on October 28, 2020, 10:30:29 PM
You seem very invested in this project, and I wish you much hatzlacha. The one piece of advice I would give you is to get involved. Don't take numbers at face value. Ask exactly how each little thing is being paid for and where every penny is going. It's ok for people to be making money off of this deal, but it is not ok to make half-baked plans and stick people with avoidable or foreseeable expenses after they move. The viability of this community, or any small community, relies on widespread community engagement and involvement. People need to get their hands dirty.

Every new community in the beginning is not the easiest, Usually the first newcomers get the cheapest price, as it was in Staten Island, jersey city , linden etc. he should probably offer a big discount for the 1st 100 families.

The biggest issue here is the crowd, People, people want to see who is moving, How many etc
 the bathtub and size of the house I don’t think is on anyone’s mind. can always be extended, replaced etc
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: erlich on October 29, 2020, 12:38:02 AM
That wasn't truly making a new community. It was taking over an existing YI community and expanding it.
To be correct
They didn't took over a community at all!
It's just was easier that there is some shuls and especially a mikva on premises and some kosher food there!
There is nothing to take over ,over there, but it's definitely not comparable to
The new chasidish communities like
Linden NJ
Bloomingburg NY
Jersey city NJ
Where it's totally In a desert with no Jewish infrastructure in sight and need to build from scratch
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: erlich on October 29, 2020, 12:41:55 AM


No, Gibbers was a failure till now. But has potential now that there is a rebbi.



Gibbers isn't a failure at all, maybe in your eyes

They are 100 families now and living happily then ever before, no one was forced to move there, it's a kinda of frum families that choose that kind of lifestyle , not everyone prefers a city life kind of life.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: erlich on October 29, 2020, 12:49:16 AM
At this point, their legal troubles are over. There's not enough people moving there. They haven't built new houses in many years, only 1/4 of the allowed houses are built so far.
Well you are probably misinformed

Bloomingburg besides the town homes built by the original developer that is sold out, there is b"h almost another dozen of smaller developments taking place as we speak , some of them are done and people moved in , I am a investor myself I some developments taking place there b"h , things are moving pretty ok there , posted below is one of the newest development that poured foundations a month ago b"h
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: erlich on October 29, 2020, 12:54:23 AM
They "won" but they are not fully over the fallout from the legal problems.
They didn't get C of Os on the houses they built until relatively recently. They are selling houses as quickly as they become available.
It's hard to build new homes when the developer is behind bars.

One indication that they are well established is that they stopped accepting outside kids to their school, something they had been allowing to fill up their classes.
No developer is b"h behimd bars

And Mr. lamn Is not involved anymore , they bought him out , the famous businessman and baal tzedaka Yati Weinreb is the owner and original investor of the rest of the property they still have to develop, besides that there is multiple private investors with property
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: EliJelly on October 29, 2020, 01:04:33 AM
No developer is b"h behimd bars

And Mr. lamn Is not involved anymore , they bought him out , the famous businessman and baal tzedaka Yumtee Yati Weinreb is the owner and original investor of the rest of the property they still have to develop, besides that there is multiple private investors with property
FTFY
He isn't nuts..
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: erlich on October 29, 2020, 01:12:40 AM
There are definitely some people on here who desperately want this project to fail, there can be a few reasons to that.
Im still not saying that this will for sure work out, but I do have high hopes

Family's who actually want to move are:
Meeting up shortly and are already communicating with each other
Already flying down to see Model homes
NO its not just stock images, and the image above is actually the smaller home.

I feel like its a waist of time to sit on here and have to play defense with the haters.
Liked

Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: erlich on October 29, 2020, 01:20:40 AM
Life in Florida will be more expansive. think travel alone to NY for any family related event.

You can get in Lakewood a new townhouse with 2500 SQF for 300-400K or a larger house with a finished basement for a rental for 600-700k
300k is more then half less then 700k !
And taxes is half price too!
The only reason is why such a movement should be successful is because the reasonable sale price!

There is no place on planet earth on the moment ,where a frum chasidish crowd can get a brand new gorgeous house for such;
Sale price
size
Low Tax
built mass production
By a billion dollar company!
Shovel ready, takes a few months to have ready houses
And a local government that wants you!

I am involved in many huge developments thru out NY state , but the local government give you hell to succeed !
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: erlich on October 29, 2020, 01:28:41 AM
I dunno, seems unwise to lock an entire community into a development that is so inflexible.
Well to be honest that's the only way to succeed on mass production

The successful heimishe big Developers in monsey and monroe ,are only building with no customized extras what so ever for a while, because they end up losing lots of money and its impossible to deal with it , not talking about custom luxury homes
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: erlich on October 29, 2020, 01:31:26 AM
They don't have 100 buyers yet. Based on what I've seen here, it seems like they've been looking for already planned developments and then tried working out deals with the developers. For the most flexibility, they would be best served looking for land and then shopping the project to developers who have houses that fit their needs. They seem to be in a rush, though, so I'm not sure this was ever an option. They'd also need to have commitments and cash up front to make that work, and the way they are doing it allows for more flexibility in the event they aren't able to fill an entire development.
Been there
Done that

There is no deep jewish pockets that want to risk their money to make such things happen

The only way is that you have a billion dollar company backing your show , cant be more successful then that

As I look at it ,as I am involved in such developments in the tri state area ,is this the only real reason I see why this should be successful iy"h
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: erlich on October 29, 2020, 01:41:27 AM
Its all very legit concerns, but for the person with 5 kids living in a 2 BR apt in Brooklyn 975 sq ft total with no bathroom in master BR (which is 9 * 9 sq ft big) and no playroom and no living space and has only $40k-50k saved for down payment (from unemployment that he filed for himself and his wife :-*), He should wait another few years in his cramped apt because MAYBE someone will have to offer a bathtub and playroom is.............
Best comment so far

As I understand most commenters here aren't chasidish , so they won't get the idea what so ever
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: erlich on October 29, 2020, 01:47:59 AM
Finchley Commons... IIRC 400K 2500SQF
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Still not comparable to a 2 story private house on a private property with lower yearly taxes for 300k
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Yammer on October 29, 2020, 03:29:26 AM


Also The kitchens look tiny

+100

It's the center of a Jewish home.

We all have garages, but I think I've met one person who actually parked his car in it. They are primarily used for storage (instead of basements), and sometimes they are converted into extra bedrooms, offices, or Pesach kitchens. Most cities mandate houses have at least a 1 car garage. I believe it has something to do with having a place to put your car in a storm.

Exactly what I was thinking. They probably need the garage for legal purposes, additionally it may not be legal to build that much livable SQ footage etc.

Exactly why those layouts make no sense. Why would you make a new frum community with houses that make no sense for frum families?
Small kitchens, no playrooms, no master bathtub, shared bedroom bathroom with entire main floor, nothing over 2.5k sq ft.
They're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

Kitchens you're 100% right
The downstairs room will become the playroom,( at least until the garage is done)
The master bathroom can have a tub added as mentioned above ( the walk in closet in the bathroom is a bad idea )

But overall when your trying not to invest a penny into the project, you will definitely need to adjust..

Are they gated? How do you stop kids from running into them?

Many bungalow colony's have ponds with no gates

Master bedroom on first floor?

And on the second.

By the way,
I wonder why people don't ask all these questions to most Monsey area residents who moved out to small high ranches or colonials.

The price is low, 2600ft is not tiny, all you need is invest a little more money to make it perfect.

True point, but a few differences here.

1. Monsey isn't that far from the city and it's within their budgets
2. Many plan to extend eventually when they can afford
3. These are pre-existing houses. When your in the buying process you choose a house based on many factors but obviously need to give in. New construction is a whole new world.

4. And the biggest difference is that here you need ppl that are willing to sacrifice and leave their entire universe behind ( obviously exaggerating ), something that's never been done in a Chassidishe setting. The more you offer the more ppl will be willing to sacrifice.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Yammer on October 29, 2020, 03:50:21 AM


News flash. There are more options than FL and NY.

For Chassidishe ppl?

CMIIW, but most mosdos rely very heavily on donations. Even if the teachers don't get paid much, you still need facilities and equipment. Those things often get donated in other communities. There are also admin costs in getting a new school set up.

18 kids per class in K-8, with separate classes for boys and girls, means they need 324 kids. That's setting the bar pretty high. It's very doable after a few years, but people need to be prepared to cover those first few years until more people move down.

ETA: Another thing that needs to be taken into account is that you can't pay teachers in FL like you do in NY. All of your teachers will be living in your community, meaning they are paying $25k-30k a year in housing alone. There is no Section 8 covering things. They likely won't qualify for food stamps, and definitely not at NY levels. There are also fewer organizations to help cover the gaps. No gemachs. The teachers need to be paid properly, or the whole community falls apart.


The point it, if you average all the teachers' housing expenses, you probably won't come up to $30k. You have single teachers, newly married teachers, teachers in rent-controlled or subsidized housing, and Section 8 housing. None of that is available in this community.

People underestimate the amount of tzedaka that is given in NY communities to help keep them afloat. The #1 biggest struggle of any new community will be filling those gaps. Unless the community is being backed by people of means, it will be a huge struggle, and one that will be hard to predict or quantify.

Some very good points here.

1. Schools won't be full in the beginning
2. It'll be impossible to find cheap single files for teachers meaning that the cost goes up substantially.
3. Even regular teachers will be pretty hard ( but will IY"H ) be successful.

Bottom line is, I hope very much that this will be successful, but ppl should definitely try to get the full picture )


To be correct
They didn't took over a community at all!
It's just was easier that there is some shuls and especially a mikva on premises and some kosher food there!
There is nothing to take over ,over there, but it's definitely not comparable to
The new chasidish communities like
Linden NJ
Bloomingburg NY
Jersey city NJ
Where it's totally In a desert with no Jewish infrastructure in sight and need to build from scratch

They don't need anything except for shuls. They are currently relying on the schools etc in BP/Willy. Eventually when that are established enough they will open their own.

Here you need to have everything on day 1
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 29, 2020, 08:13:05 AM
To be correct
They didn't took over a community at all!
It's just was easier that there is some shuls and especially a mikva on premises and some kosher food there!
There is nothing to take over ,over there, but it's definitely not comparable to
The new chasidish communities like
Linden NJ
Bloomingburg NY
Jersey city NJ
Where it's totally In a desert with no Jewish infrastructure in sight and need to build from scratch

LOL! Sorry, but you can't call any place in NY/NJ "a desert with no Jewish infrastructure in sight." Coming from BP/Willi, I can understand why you may look at it that way. But get back to me when you've been to Tulsa, OK, or SLC, UT, or Bozeman, MT. The places you list are a bit inconvenient at first, but there is so much infrastructure around them that they can lean on, that it's really very doable. Hillsborough County, FL Isnt quite those 3 places I mentioned, but there is little-to-no infrastructure for them to lean on. They need their own solution to schools, shuls, and food from day 1. They can rely on Chabad for a mikva in the beginning, but they'll need their own pretty quickly.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Joel on October 29, 2020, 08:36:37 AM
Still not comparable to a 2 story private house on a private property with lower yearly taxes for 300k
I understand it's not completely the same.
However moving to a dessert and who knows how it will turn out.
Every time you will need to visit family or friends you will need to travel.
Not worth the savings IMHO
(besides I believe a house not built to our needs will be just as bad as a small house in Brooklyn)

Food will be more expensive
Most will need to find new jobs. Not the easiest thing without jewish business infrastructure. Also remember not everyone has a college degree.

The only reason someone should move is if they are ready to leave family and friends behind and are ready to start struggling without any community support, definitely in the beginning.
KJ(Monroe) didn't happen in 1 day neither did any other new community. Will be a real struggle to get things going.


The solution to housing in Brooklyn isn't only Tampa.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 29, 2020, 09:30:22 AM
The solution to housing in Brooklyn isn't only Tampa.

The housing issue isn't the only one they are trying to solve. FL school vouchers can inject much needed funds into an educational system, as well as ease the burden of large families. No state income tax helps keep more money in the community. There's also great value in having a political voice, and living in a state with many conservative values. Recent events have only magnified the importance of those issues.

Few of those benefits will show up on day 1. It will take some time until the community is established enough to really maximize the value. But these are things that can only be accomplished in certain places, and FL is one of the most convenient places to pull it off.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: erlich on October 29, 2020, 10:01:01 AM
I understand it's not completely the same.
However moving to a dessert and who knows how it will turn out.
Every time you will need to visit family or friends you will need to travel.
Not worth the savings IMHO
(besides I believe a house not built to our needs will be just as bad as a small house in Brooklyn)

Food will be more expensive
Most will need to find new jobs. Not the easiest thing without jewish business infrastructure. Also remember not everyone has a college degree.

The only reason someone should move is if they are ready to leave family and friends behind and are ready to start struggling without any community support, definitely in the beginning.
KJ(Monroe) didn't happen in 1 day neither did any other new community. Will be a real struggle to get things going.


The solution to housing in Brooklyn isn't only Tampa.
The solution is one word

Anyone that does something for the good is the solution!
Laying in bed and mocking everything on a public forum Is just very easy to do

But
Bloomingburg
Jersey city
Linden
Staten island
And so on didn't work out because people mocking it

מען דארף טין און נישט אויפטין....

The point is that there is enough business for chasidish people looking for reasonable housing in mass production in a fast time setting, unfortunately in the tri state area it can't happen as of now because the locals stir it away

There is multiple developments around monroe as in bloomingrove that are waiting almost 15 years to get approved

Now there is in chester taking years already even it was bought with approvals

The list is long

Recent huge 2700 single homes approved property in monticello was bought by halberstam, will wait and see how easy that will go even though its approved

But all these developments will sky rock prices once it's a success

we need reasonable housing

Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Joel on October 29, 2020, 10:14:28 AM
But all these developments will sky rock prices once it's a success
Do you think Tampa development and surrounding land won't sky rocket once its a success?
I can already see investors buying the land etc...
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: avromie7 on October 29, 2020, 10:15:38 AM
Do you think Tampa development and surrounding land won't sky rocket once its a success?
I can already see investors buying the land etc...
There's a lot of land around there.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: fresar on October 29, 2020, 11:22:22 AM
Do you think Tampa development and surrounding land won't sky rocket once its a success?
I can already see investors buying the land etc...

Land is very plentiful in that area, you can buy up how much you want and there will still be more....
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Cat18 on October 29, 2020, 12:10:38 PM
is everyone forgetting about finding jobs. not everyone can work remotely and/or have their own businesses.

this issue is arguably the biggest reason why the Orlando FL jewish community has not been more successful.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: avromie7 on October 29, 2020, 12:16:27 PM
is everyone forgetting about finding jobs. not everyone can work remotely and/or have their own businesses.

this issue is arguably the biggest reason why the Orlando FL jewish community has not been more successful.
Obviously for the time being this is only an option for those who can continue their current job or work in the schools.

What type of crowd is the Orlando community trying to attract?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Chapshnell on October 29, 2020, 02:04:54 PM
is everyone forgetting about finding jobs. not everyone can work remotely and/or have their own businesses.

this issue is arguably the biggest reason why the Orlando FL jewish community has not been more successful.

You are 100% right. Yidden have always been wandering from place to place & with trust in Hashem they will figure it out. I am sure there are plenty of middle of the road jobs that can be had. Has to be worked out with Shabbos, Yom Tov etc. but to start its OK
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: erlich on October 29, 2020, 04:25:46 PM
is everyone forgetting about finding jobs. not everyone can work remotely and/or have their own businesses.

this issue is arguably the biggest reason why the Orlando FL jewish community has not been more successful.
So let me explain you how atleast the chasidish economy works as I have seen it , as you can see most chasidish people that move to Lakewood or monsey or monroe end up working there or opening up businesses or stores there ,there is all kinds of sub contractor companies in Lakewood owned by chasidim now days besides local stores.

The local shul and moisdes alone employs a decent amount of yiden included women,with kosher stores and needed shops and so all kind of different construction industries like sub contractos and so on , then Amazon businesses will be enough jobs  , finance like mortgage brokers and insurance agents , the list is long
Hashem has his plan
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 29, 2020, 04:29:14 PM
So let me explain you how atleast thw chasidish economy works , as you can see most chasidish people that move to Lakewood or monsey or monroe end up working there or opening up businesses or stores there

The local shul and moisdes alome employs a decent amount,with kosher stores and needed shops and so all kind of different construction industries like sub contractos and so on , then Amazon businesses will be enough , finance like mortgage brokers and insurance agents , the list is long

Man, you're so stuck in Kansas. This isn't how it works in the rest of the country. The local mosdos need money in order to support all those employees, and if the kosher stores and restaurants aren't bringing in outside business, the community is still limited in its total income.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Yehuda57 on October 29, 2020, 04:36:19 PM
One guy can get a job farentferring on DDF
Another can put bath tubs in all the master bathrooms
Another can trap the alligators

How many more do we need?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: erlich on October 29, 2020, 04:40:49 PM
Man, you're so stuck in Kansas. This isn't how it works in the rest of the country. The local mosdos need money in order to support all those employees, and if the kosher stores and restaurants aren't bringing in outside business, the community is still limited in its total income.
Well you not getting the point, better said you don't want to

Better explanation in the little bloomingburg or viznitz kaimisha most of the jobs are within the community between  themselves, well the moisdes has money because there is choice program ,right? Is that one of the reasons going there?
Not talking about restaurant
There is need for grocery ,fish,butcher, dry goods, clothing ,talking about daily important needs ,not luxury

A local plumber and electrician and so on
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: avromie7 on October 29, 2020, 04:42:28 PM
So let me explain you how atleast the chasidish economy works as I have seen it , as you can see most chasidish people that move to Lakewood or monsey or monroe end up working there or opening up businesses or stores there ,there is all kinds of sub contractor companies in Lakewood owned by chasidim now days besides local stores.

The local shul and moisdes alone employs a decent amount of yiden included women,with kosher stores and needed shops and so all kind of different construction industries like sub contractos and so on , then Amazon businesses will be enough jobs  , finance like mortgage brokers and insurance agents , the list is long
Hashem has his plan
Unless you can prove income in FL, you're going to have a very difficult time getting approved for a mortgage. I think that may be a pretty big roadblock for many.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: avromie7 on October 29, 2020, 04:44:54 PM
Well you not getting the point, better said you don't want to

Better explanation in the little bloomingburg or viznitz kaimisha most of the jobs are within the community between  themselves, well the moisdes has money because there is choice program ,right? Is that one of the reasons going there?
Not talking about restaurant
There is need for grocery ,fish,butcher, dry goods, clothing ,talking about daily important needs ,not luxury

A local plumber and electrician and so on
100 families aren't going to support any of these jobs. I think you're oversimplifying it and @Lurker is overcomplicating it.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 29, 2020, 04:48:20 PM
Well you not getting the point, better said you don't want to

Better explanation in the little bloomingburg or viznitz kaimisha most of the jobs are within the community between  themselves, well the moisdes has money because there is choice program ,right? Is that one of the reasons going there?
Not talking about restaurant
There is need for grocery ,fish,butcher, dry goods, clothing ,talking about daily important needs ,not luxury

A local plumber and electrician and so on

I understand how the heimishe economy works. Without a few people with deep pockets, it falls apart. In order for them to all eat, there needs to be a certain amount of money made from outside of the community. All those businesses you listed - grocery, fish, butcher, dry goods, clothing, plumber, electrician - they are all recycling the same money, going from Duvi's pocket to Yoeli's to Eli's. Except the goods everyone is consuming in the process also costs money. Without outside money, it runs dry pretty quick.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 29, 2020, 04:53:17 PM
Make a deal with Bloomberg to vote D.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: avromie7 on October 29, 2020, 05:17:48 PM
I understand how the heimishe economy works. Without a few people with deep pockets, it falls apart. In order for them to all eat, there needs to be a certain amount of money made from outside of the community. All those businesses you listed - grocery, fish, butcher, dry goods, clothing, plumber, electrician - they are all recycling the same money, going from Duvi's pocket to Yoeli's to Eli's. Except the goods everyone is consuming in the process also costs money. Without outside money, it runs dry pretty quick.
There will be government money coming in from the schools as well as people working remote and self employed (for example Amazon).
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: erlich on October 29, 2020, 06:01:11 PM
I understand how the heimishe economy works. Without a few people with deep pockets, it falls apart. In order for them to all eat, there needs to be a certain amount of money made from outside of the community. All those businesses you listed - grocery, fish, butcher, dry goods, clothing, plumber, electrician - they are all recycling the same money, going from Duvi's pocket to Yoeli's to Eli's. Except the goods everyone is consuming in the process also costs money. Without outside money, it runs dry pretty quick.
That's how world economics works baby

Money Goes from rechel to mechel 
מען האנדעלט און מען וואנדעלט

For a fact is like That in bloomingburg with around 150 families most jobs are within the community as follows

Dayen
Mikva yid/shamesh
Over a dozen Melamdim/rebbees
English teachers
Building manager
Moisdes administrators
Bus drivers
Grocery owner
Few grocery employees
Fish store owner
Hardware store owner
Handyman
Women teachers
Secretaries
Pizza shop owner
Car service drivers
Real estate agents
Mortgage broker
Contractors
Developers
Cc processing agent
A local guy with a huge amazon company employs a few employees
Sofer
Real estate management companies
Local Shuttle to nearby areas
Medical center manager
And many many more
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 29, 2020, 06:08:33 PM
Real estate agents
Mortgage broker
Contractors
Developers
Cc processing agent
A local guy with a huge amazon company employs a few employees
Real estate management companies
Medical center manager

This is all outside money. What's the average income for all these people?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: erlich on October 29, 2020, 06:20:00 PM
This is all outside money. What's the average income for all these people?

I am not quiet sure what you mean by outside money

Enough money to cover their lifestyle
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 29, 2020, 06:21:42 PM
Enough money to cover their lifestyle

And how much goes to cover other people's lifestyles?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 29, 2020, 06:30:10 PM
I am not quiet sure what you mean by outside money

It means that the money they make comes from people other than the 150 families living in their community.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: erlich on October 29, 2020, 06:52:12 PM
And how much goes to cover other people's lifestyles?
Fact check that the kind of people that doing such move ,their expenses are a fraction of what in town towners spend for others...

1 example most people in
bloomingburg,
Jersey city
viznits kaimisha
Monticello (currently living over there about 100 all year round families b"h)
Most of them if they own a car it's a old car for a few thousand bucks not a new lease every 24 months plus expensive car insurance

The list is long

You just arguing with facts , people that are ready to do such jumps is not your typical macher...
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 29, 2020, 06:56:45 PM
Fact check that the kind of people that doing such move ,their expenses are a fraction of what in town towners spend for others...

1 example most people in
bloomingburg,
Jersey city
viznits kaimisha
Monticello (currently living over there about 100 all year round families b"h)
Most of them if they own a car it's a old car for a few thousand bucks not a new lease every 24 months plus expensive car insurance

The list is long

You just arguing with facts , people that are ready to do such jumps is not your typical macher...

This post made zero sense and didn't answer the question. You made a list of jobs. A large percentage of those people work for the shul or other mosdos. Where do the mosdos get the money to pay those salaries?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: erlich on October 29, 2020, 07:19:12 PM
This post made zero sense and didn't answer the question. You made a list of jobs. A large percentage of those people work for the shul or other mosdos. Where do the mosdos get the money to pay those salaries?
From the government
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on October 29, 2020, 07:58:46 PM
From the government

I guess I'm asking the wrong questions...

Do they sell kibbudim? Which ones go for the most money? How much do they go for? Is there a name on the shul? The school? Are there a couple of machers who are known as tzaddikim, big baalei tzedaka?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: yesitsme on October 29, 2020, 08:13:40 PM
That's how world economics works baby

Money Goes from rechel to mechel 
מען האנדעלט און מען וואנדעלט

For a fact is like That in bloomingburg with around 150 families most jobs are within the community as follows

Dayen
Mikva yid/shamesh
Over a dozen Melamdim/rebbees
English teachers
Building manager
Moisdes administrators
Bus drivers
Grocery owner
Few grocery employees
Fish store owner
Hardware store owner
Handyman
Women teachers
Secretaries
Pizza shop owner
Car service drivers
Real estate agents
Mortgage broker
Contractors
Developers
Cc processing agent
A local guy with a huge amazon company employs a few employees
Sofer
Real estate management companies
Local Shuttle to nearby areas
Medical center manager
And many many more

And even @yesitsme  makes a few pennies
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: EliJelly on October 30, 2020, 12:56:00 AM
The solution is one word
Anyone that does something for the good is the solution!
Laying in bed and mocking everything on a public forum Is just very easy to do

But
Bloomingburg
Jersey city
Linden
Staten island
And so on didn't work out because people mocking it

מען דארף טין און נישט אויפטין....
 
For a fact is like That in bloomingburg with around 150 families most jobs are within the community as follows

We've been through all of this in the opening discussion of this thread.

You can't really compare Tampa to Bloomingburg, SI, JC etc, as they all rely on NY's Jewish infrastructure. SI on BP, Bloomingburg on KJ and JC on Williamsburg. Tampa is a 4 hour drive from Miami, and even Miami lacks the facilities to accommodate a large new chassidish community. This is an undertaking on a whole new level.



Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: fresar on October 30, 2020, 11:17:33 AM
is everyone forgetting about finding jobs. not everyone can work remotely and/or have their own businesses.

this issue is arguably the biggest reason why the Orlando FL jewish community has not been more successful.

 Orlando and Tampa have a lot of real estate management/ construction jobs that are Jewish owned.
 there is a lot of opportunities there for real estate type of jobs
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: aygart on October 30, 2020, 12:20:24 PM
So let me explain you how atleast the chasidish economy works as I have seen it , as you can see most chasidish people that move to Lakewood or monsey or monroe end up working there or opening up businesses or stores there ,there is all kinds of sub contractor companies in Lakewood owned by chasidim now days besides local stores.

The local shul and moisdes alone employs a decent amount of yiden included women,with kosher stores and needed shops and so all kind of different construction industries like sub contractos and so on , then Amazon businesses will be enough jobs  , finance like mortgage brokers and insurance agents , the list is long
Hashem has his plan

כיוון שעלה עמוד השחר נכנסו חכמי ישראל אצלו אמרו לו אדונינו המלך עמך ישראל צריכין פרנסה אמר להם לכו והתפרנסו זה מזה אמרו לו אין הקומץ משביע את הארי ואין הבור מתמלא מחולייתו אמר להם לכו ופשטו ידיכם בגדוד
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: gozalim on October 31, 2020, 10:17:34 PM
כיוון שעלה עמוד השחר נכנסו חכמי ישראל אצלו אמרו לו אדונינו המלך עמך ישראל צריכין פרנסה אמר להם לכו והתפרנסו זה מזה אמרו לו אין הקומץ משביע את הארי ואין הבור מתמלא מחולייתו אמר להם לכו ופשטו ידיכם בגדוד
come 2020 and פשטו ידיכם בגדוד is an option #blm
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: erlich on November 03, 2020, 06:45:23 PM
Showings today in Tampa , let's hope for a success, people are taking it seriously
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: BP16 on November 06, 2020, 10:54:49 AM
I wish they would start with bigger and Jewish built houses would be so much more tempting.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: YoelFried on November 06, 2020, 01:40:42 PM
I wish they would start with bigger and Jewish built houses would be so much more tempting.
Not such a good idea.
What will be the accuse then?

Such people are hacks that keep on moving their line.

What's tempting for you doesn't have to temp others.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: BP16 on November 06, 2020, 01:49:44 PM
Not such a good idea.
What will be the accuse then?

Such people are hacks that keep on moving their line.

What's tempting for you doesn't have to temp others.
I don't understand bigger houses and Jewish built is not a good idea?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on November 12, 2020, 09:16:34 AM
@mendyt Find out if the houses are in a flood zone. That will change your annual insurance expense somewhat significantly.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Tomorrow on November 12, 2020, 09:40:05 AM
I don't understand bigger houses and Jewish built is not a good idea?
Once you leave a company that is building 10's of thousands of the same houses every year, and go to a private contractor the cost of the house will sky rocket.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: avromie7 on November 12, 2020, 10:21:51 AM
@mendyt Find out if the houses are in a flood zone. That will change your annual insurance expense somewhat significantly.
If I understand the flood maps correctly, it's not a flood zone.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Dawie on November 12, 2020, 11:15:29 AM
If I understand the flood maps correctly, it's not a flood zone.
seeing as the just got hit by Hurricane Eta a few hours ago this should be easy to ascertain
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on November 12, 2020, 11:16:08 AM
If I understand the flood maps correctly, it's not a flood zone.

Probably not, and I didn't check. I just saw that county has been under a flood watch for the last couple of day because of TS Eta. That has nothing to do with flood zones, just triggered the thought.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on November 12, 2020, 11:19:28 AM
seeing as the just got hit by Hurricane Eta a few hours ago this should be easy to ascertain

Not really. I was under Flood Watch for 4-5 days over the weekend and this week because of Eta, and I'm not in a flood zone. Still plenty of water damage all around. Flood zones have more to do with elevation and proximity to water sources which may rise, causing floods. If hurricanes were a factor, the whole FL would be a flood zone.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on November 12, 2020, 11:35:16 AM
@mendyt Find out if the houses are in a flood zone. That will change your annual insurance expense somewhat significantly.
If I understand the flood maps correctly, it's not a flood zone.

Looks like it's just outside the flood zone.

https://fema.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=e7a7dc3ebd7f4ad39bb8e485bb64ce44
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: BP16 on November 12, 2020, 12:26:14 PM
Once you leave a company that is building 10's of thousands of the same houses every year, and go to a private contractor the cost of the house will sky rocket.
it would sky rocket? yes would probably be more expensive because you are getting a better house, but I dont think it would sky rocket.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: erlich on November 15, 2020, 12:27:58 PM
Open houses going strong , people flying down constantly to view the houses
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Mimo on November 15, 2020, 10:22:42 PM
Open houses going strong , people flying down constantly to view the houses
How many construction site manager jobs are there? They're advertising it like they have tons of these jobs
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Joel on November 15, 2020, 10:46:58 PM
How construction site manager jobs are there? They're advertising it like they have tons of these jobs
+
No one will be paying 3k a week without prior experience
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: erlich on November 16, 2020, 12:35:27 AM
+
No one will be paying 3k a week without prior experience
Did your mother ever said if you don't have anything to say better be quite

Not sure what your agenda is , i am sure you have some sort of agenda,
because I don't just believe that you are so negative and just a misrable human being...

I remember when such people with agendas or negative people said all this on every new yishev, bh we got 10 new yeshiveim where chasidish people can move now days and iy"h Florida is next, with such attitude of yours people would have stayed living in 4 rooms with 12 kids on 4th floor walk ups ...but there is plenty of options out there because positive thinking people moved on and didn't listen to the pessimists..

Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on November 16, 2020, 12:55:04 AM
Did your mother ever said if you don't have anything to say better be quite

Not sure what your agenda is , i am sure you have some sort of agenda,
because I don't just believe that you are so negative and just a misrable human being...

I remember when such people with agendas or negative people said all this on every new yishev, bh we got 10 new yeshiveim where chasidish people can move now days and iy"h Florida is next, with such attitude of yours people would have stayed living in 4 rooms with 12 kids on 4th floor walk ups ...but there is plenty of options out there because positive thinking people moved on and didn't listen to the pessimists..

There's a difference between pessimism and legitimate questions. If you think his point is nonsense and can show him how, go for it. But if it's a legit question that you're just brushing off, how is overly enthusiastic and undeserved optimism better than pessimism?

The purpose of this thread is for people to be able to gather as much info as possible so that they can make informed and responsible decisions. Questions are a good thing, especially here.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Joel on November 16, 2020, 07:04:11 AM
Did your mother ever said if you don't have anything to say better be quite

Not sure what your agenda is , i am sure you have some sort of agenda,
because I don't just believe that you are so negative and just a misrable human being...

I remember when such people with agendas or negative people said all this on every new yishev, bh we got 10 new yeshiveim where chasidish people can move now days and iy"h Florida is next, with such attitude of yours people would have stayed living in 4 rooms with 12 kids on 4th floor walk ups ...but there is plenty of options out there because positive thinking people moved on and didn't listen to the pessimists..

How can you advertise 150k after taxes when its not true?

In NY/NJ construction managers aren't paid that well. Unless they have years upon years experience.  And still not $3000/week

We are asking the right questions and so far getting the wrong answers. 


Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: RewardsAddict on November 16, 2020, 07:19:29 AM
I'm just wondering, truck driving and construction are the only two jobs currently there (besides school employees) or are those the only ones they can guarantee?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Mimo on November 16, 2020, 10:41:38 AM
i'm not sure this is the right thread for this, i'd like to know why florida is better than cleveland when it comes to opening a new chassidishe yishuv outside the tristate area? i know florida is warmer in the winter but it's also hotter and tampa is also very humid in the summer, so weather aside why is florida better?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on November 16, 2020, 10:44:54 AM
i'm not sure this is the right thread for this, i'd like to know why florida is better than cleveland when it comes to opening a new chassidishe yishuv outside the tristate area? i know florida is warmer in the winter but it's also hotter and tampa is also very humid in the summer, so weather aside why is florida better?

No state income tax, no snow, no Browns.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Euclid on November 16, 2020, 10:48:17 AM
No state income tax, no snow, no Browns.
No Eleffants, yes alligators.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on November 16, 2020, 10:49:02 AM
No Eleffants, yes alligators.

We have 1000s in FL. Part of the draw.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Euclid on November 16, 2020, 10:50:19 AM
We have 1000s in FL. Part of the draw.
I'm wrong either way - forgot about @jj1000
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Mimo on November 16, 2020, 11:18:34 AM
No state income tax, no snow, no Browns.
weather excluded because its a personal feeling some people enjoy the southern climate others dont, in an area like cleveland i dont think there's lethal wild life roaming around like in florida.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: avromie7 on November 16, 2020, 11:23:01 AM
weather excluded because its a personal feeling some people enjoy the southern climate others dont, in an area like cleveland i dont think there's lethal wild life roaming around like in florida.
You have bears roaming Monsey, yet there is still a huge frum population there.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Mimo on November 16, 2020, 11:26:07 AM
You have bears roaming Monsey, yet there is still a huge frum population there.
they don't roam around monsey like the gators in florida and in the winter they hibernate.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: avromie7 on November 16, 2020, 11:29:20 AM
they don't roam around monsey like the gators in florida and in the winter they hibernate.
Have you been there? They're emptying garbage cans on a daily basis in some neighborhoods. That being said, gator attacks in FL are as rare as bear attacks in NY
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Mimo on November 16, 2020, 11:37:14 AM
Have you been there? They're emptying garbage cans on a daily basis in some neighborhoods. That being said, gator attacks in FL are as rare as bear attacks in NY
i am very often in monsey and have never seen a bear in monsey. 
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: etech0 on November 16, 2020, 11:46:21 AM
i am very often in monsey and have never seen a bear in monsey.
They are mostly spotted at night
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Something Fishy on November 16, 2020, 11:46:50 AM
Ok please. People in Florida aren't dying from gators.

Next.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on November 16, 2020, 12:05:28 PM
weather excluded because its a personal feeling some people enjoy the southern climate others dont, in an area like cleveland i dont think there's lethal wild life roaming around like in florida.

The entire concept of "better" is subjective to one's personal feelings. There are people who will prefer Cleveland, or NJ, or Denver, or Houston, for a bunch of different reasons. I don't think this is a competition.

 And no, we don't have lethal wildlife roaming around any more than anywhere else.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on November 16, 2020, 12:13:18 PM
i'm not sure this is the right thread for this, i'd like to know why florida is better than cleveland when it comes to opening a new chassidishe yishuv outside the tristate area? i know florida is warmer in the winter but it's also hotter and tampa is also very humid in the summer, so weather aside why is florida better?

The #1 reason is that they don't want to move to someone else's community. They want to build their own. Tampa allows them the freedom to build a community and it's infrastructure to their exact specifications, without having to answer to anyone else or worry about stepping on anyone's toes. It also has positives that line up with their goals, such as a non-D government, government money for schooling, existing kosher supply lines in the general vicinity, lower cost of living (with no state income tax), and plenty of room to grow.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Yehuda57 on November 16, 2020, 12:34:34 PM
And no, we don't have lethal wildlife roaming around any more than anywhere else.

Yeah, but there are like millions of deadly #FloraidaMans
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on November 16, 2020, 12:39:25 PM
Yeah, but there are like millions of deadly #FloraidaMans

True story. But no Browns.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ad120 on November 16, 2020, 12:58:17 PM
I spent time in Houston last week.
Seems like a great place.
Calm, quiet, clean and affordable. I paid $1.58/Gallon at the pump.
No State income tax, open, kosher restaurants, mikvaos, Jewish infrastructure.
They sure do love their flag!
Everything is bigger in Texas.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Dan on November 16, 2020, 01:03:30 PM
I spent time in Houston last week.
Seems like a great place.
Calm, quiet, clean and affordable. I paid $1.58/Gallon at the pump.
No State income tax, open, kosher restaurants, mikvaos, Jewish infrastructure.
They sure do love their flag!
Everything is bigger in Texas.
Now go back in August.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Mordyk on November 16, 2020, 01:04:51 PM
Now go back in August.
as long as the humidity level is not crazy, i dont care what temperature reads.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Dan on November 16, 2020, 01:07:02 PM
as long as the humidity level is not crazy
It's worse than FL.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: grodnoking on November 16, 2020, 01:13:41 PM
As everyone keeps on saying, weather is a matter of preference. I stayed in Florida for 7 weeks in the dead of the summer, and every morning would sit outside baking in the sun, and allowing the humidity to flow over me like a warm fuzzy blanket. Everyone thinks I'm crazy but I don't mind humidity at all. I can't stand the winter, or the fall. I look forward to the summer all year round.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Dan on November 16, 2020, 01:15:43 PM
As everyone keeps on saying, weather is a matter of preference. I stayed in Florida for 7 weeks in the dead of the summer, and every morning would sit outside baking in the sun, and allowing the humidity to flow over me like a warm fuzzy blanket. Everyone thinks I'm crazy but I don't mind humidity at all. I can't stand the winter, or the fall. I look forward to the summer all year round.
Sitting is no big deal. What about walking to shul?
Most people that don't like winter aren't properly dressed for winter.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Mordyk on November 16, 2020, 01:16:06 PM
It's worse than FL.
:o

i have been to vegas in the summer at 112F and it bothered me less than NYC 90F

for some reason i thought texas climate ias as dry as the surrounding Nevada, Arizona etc
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Dan on November 16, 2020, 01:17:05 PM
:o

i have been to vegas in the summer at 112F and it bothered me less than NYC 90F

for some reason i thought texas climate ias as dry as the surrounding Nevada, Arizona etc
Surrounding?
Houston is much closer to Miami than Las Vegas.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: aygart on November 16, 2020, 01:31:28 PM
The #1 reason is that they don't want to move to someone else's community. They want to build their own.
Try explaining that to anyone in Lakewood for more than 20 years or anyone in Monsey for more than 35 years.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Mordyk on November 16, 2020, 01:46:17 PM
Surrounding?
Houston is much closer to Miami than Las Vegas.
I gotta brush up on my geography. i was totally confused here.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Dan on November 16, 2020, 01:48:31 PM
I gotta brush up on my geography. i was totally confused here.
(https://i.gyazo.com/08d862ae44f7ea4e737f44272185bf58.png)
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on November 16, 2020, 01:50:33 PM
https://www.bestplaces.net/compare-cities/houston_tx/tampa_fl/climate
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: yitzgar on November 16, 2020, 01:52:03 PM
I'm wrong either way - forgot about @jj1000
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Mordyk on November 16, 2020, 01:54:17 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/08d862ae44f7ea4e737f44272185bf58.png)
i checked the map and i feel stupid enough. no need to rub it in ;D
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: yitzgar on November 16, 2020, 01:55:01 PM
i checked the map and i feel stupid enough. no need to rub it in ;D
But the point isn't how close it is, it has to do with proximity to the gulf
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Mimo on November 16, 2020, 02:14:13 PM
Ok please. People in Florida aren't dying from gators.

Next.
The point was that they're a huge pest and can be found all over the place. Since you live in the monsey area maybe you can tell us what your experience is with regard to bear spotings in monsey?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on November 16, 2020, 02:19:45 PM
The point was that they're a huge pest and can be found all over the place. Since you live in the monsey area maybe you can tell us what your experience is with regard to bear spotings in monsey?

Curious... do you think they wander around like squirrels? Where are you getting this idea that there are gators everywhere?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ad120 on November 16, 2020, 02:47:22 PM
The point was that they're a huge pest and can be found all over the place.
What are you even talking about?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ad120 on November 16, 2020, 02:48:25 PM
Now go back in August.
That's when you go to the country!
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: biobook on November 16, 2020, 03:15:08 PM
In 2016, a 2-year old boy was killed by an alligator at Disney World, made the national news.  Maybe this led to the mistaken idea that this is a common danger here.

"A rapidly increasing human population has led to an increase in the number of complaints about alligators in back yards, swimming pools, golf course water hazards, and other places where they are not wanted. The Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission receives more than 10,000 alligator related complaints each year. Despite the high degree of human-alligator contact, only 20 people have been killed by alligators in Florida since the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission began keeping records in 1948."
http://www.wildflorida.com/wildlife/gators/Alligators_and_Humans.php

I think it's about 23 or 24 humans killed by alligators in Florida in the past 70 years.

More are killed by lightning hits during the frequent thunderstorms, and by hurricanes, too.  Then there's drowning, in all that water that surrounds us, as well the canals that traverse the land.  And lots of guns owned by stand-your-grounders.  Highways with some of the highest fatality rates.  Not to mention covid and a governor who dislikes restrictions.  One could compose an entire Unesaneh Tokef here, and never get around to mentioning those few alligator-related deaths.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on November 16, 2020, 03:23:17 PM
killed by lightning hits during the frequent thunderstorms, and by hurricanes, too.  Then there's drowning, in all that water that surrounds us, as well the canals that traverse the land.  And lots of guns owned by stand-your-grounders.  Highways with some of the highest fatality rates.  Not to mention covid and a governor who dislikes restrictions.  One could compose an entire Unesaneh Tokef here

Come live in Florida! It's great!
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Yehuda57 on November 16, 2020, 03:42:16 PM
I think it's about 23 or 24 humans killed by alligators in Florida in the past 70 years.


To put it in perspective, net neutrality killed 32,000,000 Americans last year alone.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on November 16, 2020, 03:49:12 PM
To put it in perspective, net neutrality killed 32,000,000 Americans last year alone.

It's ok, they were still able to vote.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: yesitsme on November 16, 2020, 08:28:53 PM
i checked the map and i feel stupid enough. no need to rub it in ;D
Reminds me when I was in EY in a grocery store, a bochur told me 'it's interesting that Idaho is closer to Israel then the USA and they only sell Idaho potatoes in the USA' a few months later I checked the map/globe and I felt like taking the slide of chutes and ladders
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mushkovits on November 16, 2020, 11:10:01 PM
What’s up with some new bobov community in Union NJ? Anyone have any info on that?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: yesitsme on November 16, 2020, 11:20:37 PM
You mean linden?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mushkovits on November 16, 2020, 11:25:53 PM
You mean linden?
Believe I heard Union but who knows...maybe I didn’t hear correct
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Zalc on November 16, 2020, 11:40:01 PM


Tampa allows them the freedom to build a community and it's infrastructure to their exact specifications

Didn't sound like they are getting EXACTLY what they want... At least with the home designs
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ah giten on November 16, 2020, 11:48:13 PM
Believe I heard Union but who knows...maybe I didn’t hear correct
Bobov-45 in the talks of opening in Union.
Talking for quite a while though.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Mimo on November 17, 2020, 12:25:31 AM
Bobov-45 in the talks of opening in Union.
Talking for quite a while though.
They're talking about union nj, I did hear from a friend who lives in linden that the union nj is moving very slow not much happening
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: erlich on November 17, 2020, 12:53:36 AM
There's a difference between pessimism and legitimate questions. If you think his point is nonsense and can show him how, go for it. But if it's a legit question that you're just brushing off, how is overly enthusiastic and undeserved optimism better than pessimism?

The purpose of this thread is for people to be able to gather as much info as possible so that they can make informed and responsible decisions. Questions are a good thing, especially here.
Agree 100% with you

But reading his replies just mocking away everything and everything is either an agenda or just a misrable human being,sorry
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: erlich on November 17, 2020, 12:55:47 AM
How can you advertise 150k after taxes when its not true?

In NY/NJ construction managers aren't paid that well. Unless they have years upon years experience.  And still not $3000/week

We are asking the right questions and so far getting the wrong answers.
Well there is a number and email address whom to contact if you have questions...

People here are shmoozing very nicely with each other and asking  questions and answering answers ,but you are just on a band wagon to knock everything off ...
It's not nice
Sorry
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: chinagel on November 17, 2020, 12:57:22 AM
Well there is a number and email address whom to contact if you have questions...

People here are shmoozing very nicely with each other and asking  questions and answering answers ,but you are just on a band wagon to knock everything off ...
It's not nice
Sorry
Where do you fit in to this development? Buyer? investor?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Something Fishy on November 17, 2020, 01:02:50 AM
Guys let's not get personal here. Everyone take a deep breath.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: erlich on November 17, 2020, 01:03:54 AM
Where do you fit in to this development? Buyer? investor?
Non of those
Just a positive thinker and believer, it's not a secret that the chasidish community needs more housing and more neighborhoods that there should be reasonable housing

The least I can do besides investing or being a asken , is spreading nice words about each and every new yishev ,and that's what everyone can do

I am proud that i have encouraged many yinglat to move to new yeshivem, that's the only way to help ourselves and for our children

All existing big chasidish yishevim brand new housing is far from reasonable
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ad120 on November 17, 2020, 01:04:53 AM
Non of those
Just a positive thinker and believer, the chasidish community needs more housing and more neighborhoods that there should be reasonable housing

The least I can do besides investing or being a asken is spreading nice words about each and every new yishev

I am proud that u have encouraged many yinglat to move to new yeshivem, that's the only way to help ourselves and for our children
Agreed. But this bud isn't for you.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: erlich on November 17, 2020, 01:06:15 AM
Bobov-45 in the talks of opening in Union.
Talking for quite a while though.
There is already 3 yingalt that closed and many others in contract b"h , they already own a building for mosdos

Below is the map of the 3 houses that closed already b"h

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/8/edit?hl=en&mid=1TfRp7fcfnIZ3j026y_dl3G_I-w4qlbSh&ll=40.6775367890549%2C-74.27206635995637&z=15
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: chinagel on November 17, 2020, 01:06:42 AM
Guys let's not get personal here. Everyone take a deep breath.
Did not mean anything personal. Was an honest question.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Something Fishy on November 17, 2020, 01:12:09 AM
https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/8/edit?hl=en&mid=1TfRp7fcfnIZ3j026y_dl3G_I-w4qlbSh&ll=40.6775367890549%2C-74.27206635995637&z=15

Is this supposed to be public? There are names listed.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ad120 on November 17, 2020, 01:12:22 AM
Believe I heard Union but who knows...maybe I didn’t hear correct
It is Union.
It is moving along quite well.
My friend is moving into his new home on December 1st.
There are several families that are meant to close any day now.

The people running the show in Union were clever. They contracted all Jewish-style homes in order to control the market.
In order to join the community you need to agree to a set of rules. If you agree and they feel that you are a fit, then you can buy a home. If there is more than one family that wants a specific home, I believe they make a drawing on that home.
There are significant costs associated with starting a community, I.E. Shul, Mikvah, Cheder, etc. if you adhere to the rules then the start up fees are waived for your family.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Something Fishy on November 17, 2020, 01:12:37 AM
Did not mean anything personal. Was an honest question.

Was not referring to you.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ad120 on November 17, 2020, 01:14:22 AM
Is this supposed to be public? There are names listed.
Probably Not.
It seems like someone accidentally published this map.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: erlich on November 17, 2020, 01:15:58 AM
Did not mean anything personal. Was an honest question.
I am not offended at all

I have done this many years by other new chasidish yeshivem on other platforms and in real life , and I feel I do what's right ,but one thing for sure , all those people mocking nonstop are having usually agendas, usually it was investors in the Brooklyn chasidish real estate market or other over priced investors...I am not born yesterday..lol

But b"h fast forward a few years many yeshivim is now a fact and all those bad mouthers are quiet and by every new yishev they are up again and trying to kick it away with nonsense and innocent people are buying it..

That's my agenda

Now please tell me yours
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: erlich on November 17, 2020, 01:17:30 AM
Is this supposed to be public? There are names listed.
Yes of course! You think they are helbrans living in gutamale?

There is people that are here to be productive in this world and not just being pessimistic and complain all their life

If you want things to move forward, its needs to be open talk ,no secrets

Iy"h soon you will see lists with names in tampa..
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: chinagel on November 17, 2020, 01:18:16 AM
I am not offended at all

I have done this many years by other new chasidish yeshivem on other platforms and in real life , and I feel I do what's right ,but one thing for sure , all those people mocking nonstop are having usually agendas, usually it was investors in the Brooklyn chasidish real estate market or other over priced investors...I am not born yesterday..lol

But b"h fast forward a few years many yeshivim is now a fact and all those bad mouthers are quiet and by every new yishev they are up again and trying to kick it away with nonsense and innocent people are buying it..

That's my agenda

Now please tell me yours
Just a curious reader. Far from chassidish, so not really relevant for me.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: EliJelly on November 17, 2020, 01:20:36 AM
Just a curious reader. Far from chassidish, so not really relevant for me.
Location is brooklyn, how far can it be :P..
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: erlich on November 17, 2020, 01:21:45 AM
Just a curious reader. Far from chassidish, so not really relevant for me.
I know and I wonder how Dan's deals got so chasidish ...its not really the place here for this

But if someone is going all the way left on a public forum,I felt its important to step up, because people take anonymous posts for granted even it's just bogus
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: chinagel on November 17, 2020, 01:22:43 AM
Location is brooklyn, how far can it be :P..
Should I specify Canarsie? :P
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: EliJelly on November 17, 2020, 01:23:54 AM
I've yet to see all those agenda driven bad guys mocking all new yeshivim. Afraid for their real estate in Brooklyn? Give me a break. Of course there will always be cynics, like with everything in life.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: erlich on November 17, 2020, 01:28:09 AM
I've yet to see all those agenda driven bad guys mocking all new yeshivim. Afraid for their real estate in Brooklyn? Give me a break. Of course there will always be cynics, like with everything in life.
Well you will be surprised, not sure if you are chasidish

But when a few new chasidish communities were starting a few years ago, there was a group of wealthy Williamsburg chadidish investors made a confrence with all rabunim and investors in a hall that they gonna build new thousands of apartments in Williamsburg and encouraged other investors to build as well

That's facts

Bh fast forward a few years now , thousands of brooklynites moved to new yeshivem and that specific investor just advertised a few hundred apartments he has for sale in Williamsburg without any buyers ....and offering all kind of gimmicks to sell them

P.s. I was at that asifa in continental hall in Williamsburg, and I know for a fact that they paid for writers to write on many chadidish platforms to mock all new yeshivim
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: EliJelly on November 17, 2020, 01:36:45 AM
Well you will be surprised, not sure if you are chasidish

But when a few new chasidish communities were starting a few years ago, there was a group of wealthy Williamsburg chadidish investors made a confrence with all rabunim and investors in a hall that they gonna build new thousands of apartments in Williamsburg and encouraged other investors to build as well

That's facts

Bh fast forward a few years now , thousands of brooklynites moved to new yeshivem and that specific investor just advertised a few hundred apartments he has for sale in Williamsburg without any buyers ....and offering all kind of gimmicks to sell them

P.s. I was at that asifa in continental hall in Williamsburg, and I know for a fact that they paid for writers to write on many chadidish platforms to mock all new yeshivim
Not following 100%, but prior to Covid they could have sell all those developments for yuppies for much higher rents. And even now, if one lowers the price to 600 per sq ft he can sell it all in one day.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: erlich on November 17, 2020, 01:41:57 AM
Not following 100%, but prior to Covid they could have sell all those developments for yuppies for much higher rents. And even now, if one lowers the price to 600 per sq ft he can sell it all in one day.
They trying to sell as low as $550 a sq ft and they can't ,has nothing to do with covid,its a bad area like in Harlem,Harlem is even better

No they weren't able to sell those for more for yuppies ,if they could they would have done it

Basically I see you know what I am talking about , so you got the point

Power and money hungry people,instead of taking their money to invest in new yeshivim and even making more profit ,they just have power תאוות

And bh that 10 new yeshivim came along without all those power hungry guys, just with yingalat doing the right move what's good for their own pocket and not for power hungry pockets..

Anyway its not the place here for this garbage ,but yeah when someone is mocking non stop with out any sense, just read his posts,  and see that he is on a mission...not sure what his agenda is , but definitely he has something more to it..
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ah giten on November 17, 2020, 02:08:45 AM
Well you will be surprised, not sure if you are chasidish

But when a few new chasidish communities were starting a few years ago, there was a group of wealthy Williamsburg chadidish investors made a confrence with all rabunim and investors in a hall that they gonna build new thousands of apartments in Williamsburg and encouraged other investors to build as well

That's facts

Bh fast forward a few years now , thousands of brooklynites moved to new yeshivem and that specific investor just advertised a few hundred apartments he has for sale in Williamsburg without any buyers ....and offering all kind of gimmicks to sell them

P.s. I was at that asifa in continental hall in Williamsburg, and I know for a fact that they paid for writers to write on many chadidish platforms to mock all new yeshivim
The area of the new developments are not in comparison.
Nobody wants to live there, has nothing to go with people moving out.
(yes, I live in Willi)
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on November 17, 2020, 04:34:43 AM
@erlich I understand your position, and given the shady history of things you've dealt with in the past, I understand your frustration with people you think are just trying to bring projects down. However, you need to understand 2 things. One, if the person or people asking questions is an established DDF member, there's a good chance he's not a paid writer for some Brooklyn RE mogul. You may not like the attitude, but don't treat the questions as if they are from stam paid troublemakers. Two, you said yourself that they only way these things work is with complete honesty. If an ad says they have jobs where people can make $150k, things like construction managers and truck drivers, they need to be easily backed up. If people get pushed back from asking questions about stupid little things like that, it brings into question the honesty and integrity of the entire project.

This project isn't like all the previous projects. There's no safety net in Tampa. All the other yeshivim, if the school doesn't work out or the kosher grocery doesn't get off the ground, you drive 30-60 min and your problem is solved. If finding parnassah isn't so easy, you make some calls around established places in NY and NJ and you can arrange something in a day. Here, there's nothing around you. You are completely reliant on the immediate community, and if they can't help, you are on your own. Every question that was asked about other yeshivim needs to be asked with even greater detail about this one. And every answer needs to be examined that much more carefully.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Joel on November 17, 2020, 08:38:46 AM
@erlich Im sorry, I have no intention of mocking this new development. Im trying to understand how they advertise things that make no sense without backing them up. In truth, if life is cheaper in Tampa, they don't need the 150k they just need standard paying jobs. I just feel that if you advertise something, you should be able to back it up. If you can't back it up, don't advertise it.
And no, I'm not being paid by anyone. Its actually insulting to me that you think so. As for having an agenda in Brooklyn, I am moving out myself and would love to see others moving out and being able to afford life.
I may be cynical, but I would love for you to prove me wrong. Back up your claims of jobs. Show some proof. Don't advertise and hope for the best.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Mimo on November 17, 2020, 11:45:33 AM
There is already 3 yingalt that closed and many others in contract b"h , they already own a building for mosdos

Below is the map of the 3 houses that closed already b"h

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/8/edit?hl=en&mid=1TfRp7fcfnIZ3j026y_dl3G_I-w4qlbSh&ll=40.6775367890549%2C-74.27206635995637&z=15
They're nicely spread out which in my opinion is good
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ad120 on November 17, 2020, 11:49:43 AM
@erlich Im sorry, I have no intention of mocking this new development. Im trying to understand how they advertise things that make no sense without backing them up. In truth, if life is cheaper in Tampa, they don't need the 150k they just need standard paying jobs. I just feel that if you advertise something, you should be able to back it up. If you can't back it up, don't advertise it.
And no, I'm not being paid by anyone. Its actually insulting to me that you think so. As for having an agenda in Brooklyn, I am moving out myself and would love to see others moving out and being able to afford life.
I may be cynical, but I would love for you to prove me wrong. Back up your claims of jobs. Show some proof. Don't advertise and hope for the best.
Propaganda.
Hence:
this bud isn't for you.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ad120 on November 17, 2020, 11:52:35 AM
They're talking about union nj, I did hear from a friend who lives in linden that the union nj is moving very slow not much happening
They're nicely spread out which in my opinion is good
Make up your mind buddy.
The map is inaccurate.
Someone was playing around.
There are more families that have purchased.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Mimo on November 17, 2020, 11:56:57 AM
Is this supposed to be public? There are names listed.
There's also a map for the chasidishe area in staten island with names and other info, I think the purpose of it is to help people who are looking to move get more knowledge on who their neighbors will be and other info which comes in very handy before you make the decision
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: avromie7 on November 17, 2020, 12:00:52 PM
Make up your mind buddy.
The map is inaccurate.
Someone was playing around.
There are more families that have purchased.
There is also a litvish yeshiva within 20-40 minute walk of the houses on the map.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ad120 on November 17, 2020, 12:05:50 PM
There is also a litvish yeshiva within 20-40 minute walk of the houses on the map.
Cool
They definitely aren't relying on that though.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: avromie7 on November 17, 2020, 12:07:15 PM
Cool
They definitely aren't relying on that though.
It's good when you need a minyan but there aren't enough people for a minyan yet.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: BP16 on November 17, 2020, 03:21:55 PM
It is Union.
It is moving along quite well.
My friend is moving into his new home on December 1st.
There are several families that are meant to close any day now.

The people running the show in Union were clever. They contracted all Jewish-style homes in order to control the market.
In order to join the community you need to agree to a set of rules. If you agree and they feel that you are a fit, then you can buy a home. If there is more than one family that wants a specific home, I believe they make a drawing on that home.
There are significant costs associated with starting a community, I.E. Shul, Mikvah, Cheder, etc. if you adhere to the rules then the start up fees are waived for your family.
He said Bobov and I think Bobov is in Linden and have a shul their already, I assume he means Bobov-45.
They make you agree to a set of rules? and if not they dont allow you to buy and if you violet they throw you out? I guess the people who are interested in moving their are agreeing to live under such rules. I would assume that people move out so they can get more freedom not less.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: erlich on November 17, 2020, 03:44:39 PM
The area of the new developments are not in comparison.
Nobody wants to live there, has nothing to go with people moving out.
(yes, I live in Willi)
You have a right to agree to disagree

Its the first time in Williamsburg real estate history when developers are advertising apartments to sell , there was now advertised atleast 5 developments some of them in center in Williamsburg

In other hand each and every chasidish development outside of the city is selling like hot cake,
Eitehr KJ  ,outside of kj ,monsey and outside of monsey, Lakewood, bloomingburg, staten island , linden , mortgage brokers haven't been so busy in history

Below is center in Williamsburg and reduced prices Bedford and park
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: erlich on November 17, 2020, 03:47:59 PM
@erlich Im sorry, I have no intention of mocking this new development. Im trying to understand how they advertise things that make no sense without backing them up. In truth, if life is cheaper in Tampa, they don't need the 150k they just need standard paying jobs. I just feel that if you advertise something, you should be able to back it up. If you can't back it up, don't advertise it.
And no, I'm not being paid by anyone. Its actually insulting to me that you think so. As for having an agenda in Brooklyn, I am moving out myself and would love to see others moving out and being able to afford life.
I may be cynical, but I would love for you to prove me wrong. Back up your claims of jobs. Show some proof. Don't advertise and hope for the best.
Did you contact them directly asking if they can't back it up?
Why are you always jumping to the negative side?
If you are assuming then you might assume positive or just neutral

Again as I said you might just be a misrable person in real life and taking everything to the extreme negative...
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: BP16 on November 17, 2020, 04:00:25 PM
You have a right to agree to disagree

Its the first time in Williamsburg real estate history when developers are advertising apartments to sell , there was now advertised atleast 5 developments some of them in center in Williamsburg

In other hand each and every chasidish development outside of the city is selling like hot cake,
Eitehr KJ  ,outside of kj ,monsey and outside of monsey, Lakewood, bloomingburg, staten island , linden , mortgage brokers haven't been so busy in history

Below is center in Williamsburg and reduced prices Bedford and park
So they are selling it for 1.1M instead of 1.2M?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Dan on November 17, 2020, 04:00:59 PM
Who hated reality checks and healthy skepticism more, the apologists in this thread or in the sungames thread?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: erlich on November 17, 2020, 07:30:11 PM
So they are selling it for 1.1M instead of 1.2M?
Not sure what your question is
And where it comes in here about Williamsburg real estate market

The conversation is about investors and people with agendas are mocking off blindly and assuming things because they are afraid of the Brooklyn market

And in fact the Brooklyn market got hit extremely vs. Other neighborhoods are selling at above asking prices , and btw it was even before covid
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ad120 on November 17, 2020, 11:00:24 PM
It's good when you need a minyan but there aren't enough people for a minyan yet.
There already is minyan
He said Bobov and I think Bobov is in Linden and have a shul their already, I assume he means Bobov-45.
They make you agree to a set of rules? and if not they dont allow you to buy and if you violet they throw you out? I guess the people who are interested in moving their are agreeing to live under such rules. I would assume that people move out so they can get more freedom not less.
It is Bobov 45.
The rules are in place to set community guidelines and standards. If a buyer doesn't like them then I'd suggest they move elsewhere. No one is forcing anyone to join the community. The buyers therefore are happy with these rules. It is effectively ensuring the right crowd for the community.
The conversation is about investors and people with agendas are mocking off blindly and assuming things because they are afraid of the Brooklyn market
That is actually not what this conversation is about. Perhaps that is what you think it is. There aren't multiple DDF members that have been paid to hijack this thread and sabotage this so called Tampa Development. People on this thread are merely voicing their, comments, concerns, opinions, and questions.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: BP16 on November 18, 2020, 11:42:27 AM
Not sure what your question is
And where it comes in here about Williamsburg real estate market

The conversation is about investors and people with agendas are mocking off blindly and assuming things because they are afraid of the Brooklyn market

And in fact the Brooklyn market got hit extremely vs. Other neighborhoods are selling at above asking prices , and btw it was even before covid
The question was that going down from extremely over priced and just overpriced doesn't mean that the market is crashing in any way.  you still cant buy a new condo in bklyn for under 750k and you cant buy a single family home for under 1M, there are still way more people looking to buy then looking to sell.
and the building itself in NYC is more expensive as there are more regulation on the structure of the house where anywhere else its built much cheaper.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: erlich on November 18, 2020, 11:58:23 AM
The question was that going down from extremely over priced and just overpriced doesn't mean that the market is crashing in any way.  you still cant buy a new condo in bklyn for under 750k and you cant buy a single family home for under 1M, there are still way more people looking to buy then looking to sell.
and the building itself in NYC is more expensive as there are more regulation on the structure of the house where anywhere else its built much cheaper.
Well not sure what you trying to say, but they went down with the prices and didn't go up and they can't sell, well we can argue about this point non stop, but definitely that the idea of moving away hit the Brooklyn market, especially in boro park when rent and sale prices are really smashed according to what it has been and still tons of inventory
And btw there is many brand new condos for under 700k by cascade and others

It's just silly to live in the neck in a 3 bedroom condo on the 8th floor when for this price you can get a mansion in Lakewood or upstate
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: BP16 on November 18, 2020, 12:31:49 PM
Well not sure what you trying to say, but they went down with the prices and didn't go up and they can't sell, well we can argue about this point non stop, but definitely that the idea of moving away hit the Brooklyn market, especially in boro park when rent and sale prices are really smashed according to what it has been and still tons of inventory
And btw there is many brand new condos for under 700k by cascade and others

It's just silly to live in the neck in a 3 bedroom condo on the 8th floor when for this price you can get a mansion in Lakewood or upstate
Not so hard to understand what I am saying. not denying that people are moving out but remember the Heimisha community is growing B"H so it had to happen eventually.
Yea so in B.P. the 4 bdr aprt in now $3,800 instead of $4,000 a 2 bdr Apt in an apartment building is still $1,800 so stop saying that the prices really smashed. and yea you could find a 2 bdr apt for 700k.   check attachment below if prices are really smashed
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: PraiseCanada on November 18, 2020, 04:29:25 PM
I wish they could do this somewhere I drop closer. Is there no decent area within a 5 hr drive of the tristate? Pennsylvania?

New Hampshire anyone?
Or better yet, rural Quebec?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Galitzyaner on November 18, 2020, 10:20:41 PM
Or better yet, rural Quebec?
Anti-Semites, that's all we're missing...
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 19, 2020, 12:42:34 AM
Anti-Semites, that's all we're missing...
They have one of those there already...
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Joel on November 19, 2020, 11:18:07 AM
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/shia-grunzweig_realestate-investment-multifamily-ugcPost-6735187039123329024-g24h
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: iluv2travel on November 22, 2020, 04:26:44 PM
...I am moving out myself and would love to see others moving out and being able to afford life.

Just discovered this thread. Where are you moving to if not Tampa ;)?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: BP16 on December 22, 2020, 04:15:46 PM
Haven't heard an update for quite a while @erlich. any update?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Joel on December 22, 2020, 05:32:47 PM
Haven't heard an update for quite a while @erlich. any update?
I heard some are moving in early 2021


Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: TBD on December 22, 2020, 08:31:24 PM
Tampa
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: TBD on December 22, 2020, 08:32:50 PM
Or NYC affordable housing
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: yelped on December 22, 2020, 09:15:48 PM
Or NYC affordable housing
Is this a joke?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: AsherO on December 22, 2020, 09:19:14 PM
Is this a joke?

NYC “affordable housing” is a joke, all it means is that the housing cost less than 30% of the tenants income (AGI). How many newlyweds (or even young couples with two babies) in BP do you know that earn $92k+ on the books?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: iluv2travel on December 25, 2020, 12:16:58 AM
NYC “affordable housing” is a joke, all it means is that the housing cost less than 30% of the tenants income (AGI). How many newlyweds (or even young couples with two babies) in BP do you know that earn $92k+ on the books?

Do you know any that make it off the books?

And the size of these apartments are an even bigger joke for that price.

Haven't heard an update for quite a while @erlich. any update?

He was last active almost a month ago since that fiasco in the Satmar wedding thread, at which time he was forced by Dan to take a 2 week hiatus.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Yehuda25 on December 25, 2020, 12:49:20 AM
Do you know any that make it off the books?

And the size of these apartments are an even bigger joke for that price.

He was last active almost a month ago since that fiasco in the Satmar wedding thread, at which time he was forced by Dan to take a 2 week hiatus.
link?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: iluv2travel on December 26, 2020, 10:52:15 PM
link?

I'm assuming you mean for this:

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=121489.615

Post #617

Happy reading if you choose to read the whole thing :).
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Yehuda25 on December 27, 2020, 08:30:38 AM
I'm assuming you mean for this:

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=121489.615

Post #617

Happy reading if you choose to read the whole thing :).
thanks lol
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Toasted on December 27, 2020, 07:02:15 PM
Found this on some hasidic forum

(https://i.postimg.cc/gcwQ3Lp5/vv.png) (https://postimg.cc/jCbMb5LQ)

(https://i.postimg.cc/tgCmJYDB/nn.png) (https://postimg.cc/QFwqnN27)
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Yehuda25 on December 27, 2020, 07:35:39 PM
Guaranteed plenty of guests LOL
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: EliJelly on December 27, 2020, 09:00:52 PM
Guaranteed plenty of guests LOL
Haw can one say no to sucha opportunity??
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Mordyk on December 27, 2020, 09:39:11 PM
moving out is a great idea. But to tell people how many jobs will be available is downright wrong. look at all smaller communities like this and tell me how many new jobs are available. 
I know many jobs are possible to work remotely. but think about everyone you know and see how many are actually working 100% remotely...
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Joel on December 27, 2020, 10:34:32 PM
moving out is a great idea. But to tell people how many jobs will be available is downright wrong. look at all smaller communities like this and tell me how many new jobs are available. 
I know many jobs are possible to work remotely. but think about everyone you know and see how many are actually working 100% remotely...
if the houses are so cheap who needs to work   :D
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: avromie7 on December 28, 2020, 10:41:22 AM
moving out is a great idea. But to tell people how many jobs will be available is downright wrong. look at all smaller communities like this and tell me how many new jobs are available. 
I know many jobs are possible to work remotely. but think about everyone you know and see how many are actually working 100% remotely...
I assume they mean local jobs in Tampa, not necessarily in the community. What's the job market like in the Tampa area?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Shaya E on December 28, 2020, 12:13:30 PM
moving out is a great idea. But to tell people how many jobs will be available is downright wrong. look at all smaller communities like this and tell me how many new jobs are available. 
I know many jobs are possible to work remotely. but think about everyone you know and see how many are actually working 100% remotely...

Most new communities move to a rural out of the way place, hence the lack of jobs. Tampa is a big city and should have lots of local jobs for people. Obviously, after some time the jewish owned businesses will grow and offer more jobs.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Shaya E on December 28, 2020, 12:14:42 PM
I don't just mean finding a job in the local market. Also providing services and goods to the general public.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Chapshnell on January 26, 2021, 12:35:10 PM
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Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Chapshnell on January 26, 2021, 12:35:31 PM
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Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Chapshnell on January 26, 2021, 12:35:45 PM
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Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Chapshnell on January 26, 2021, 12:36:54 PM
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Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Something Fishy on January 26, 2021, 12:42:50 PM
.

I'm just glad someone added a comma. "Tampa Florida" was triggering me ;D.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: TimT on January 26, 2021, 12:48:47 PM
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Every house has such a pool ? Where do I sign ?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Chapshnell on January 26, 2021, 12:49:48 PM
Every house has such a pool ? Where do I sign ?

Haha not quite. And you dont need to fly so far to find nicer houses with pools in a jewish area
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: arhe on January 27, 2021, 07:19:23 PM
Anyone knows how many families already moved?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Joel on February 02, 2021, 08:01:31 PM
Anyone knows how many families already moved?
Following..
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Mordyk on February 03, 2021, 07:26:33 AM
I don't think any. I have a relative that just flew down to see this place. He says it's all still overgrown besides a sample house or two.  They show you a nearby development and tell you that's what it will look like. Thats it.  He was extremely disappointed
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: efflpetzel on February 03, 2021, 08:14:25 AM
I don't think any. I have a relative that just flew down to see this place. He says it's all still overgrown besides a sample house or two.  They show you a nearby development and tell you that's what it will look like. Thats it.  He was extremely disappointed
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: BP16 on February 03, 2021, 01:43:18 PM

Its not funny I was hoping it would work out!
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mushkovits on February 03, 2021, 03:03:35 PM
Its not funny I was hoping it would work out!
me too. was hoping to win the mega millions...lets cry together!
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: iluv2travel on February 03, 2021, 03:43:55 PM
I don't think any. I have a relative that just flew down to see this place. He says it's all still overgrown besides a sample house or two.  They show you a nearby development and tell you that's what it will look like. Thats it.  He was extremely disappointed

Yikes. That doesn't sound too great for all that effort they put and are still putting in to get a community going there.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: yelped on February 03, 2021, 03:49:02 PM
I don't think any. I have a relative that just flew down to see this place. He says it's all still overgrown besides a sample house or two.  They show you a nearby development and tell you that's what it will look like. Thats it.  He was extremely disappointed
Were they expecting to see something different? Did they tell them that the shovel is hitting the ground already?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on February 03, 2021, 04:07:00 PM
Were they expecting to see something different? Did they tell them that the shovel is hitting the ground already?

IIRC the plan was to have the first wave of families move down last month.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: BP16 on February 03, 2021, 05:07:57 PM
Most new communities move to a rural out of the way place, hence the lack of jobs. Tampa is a big city and should have lots of local jobs for people. Obviously, after some time the jewish owned businesses will grow and offer more jobs.
Maybe he knows if there is any update.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: yelped on February 03, 2021, 08:15:42 PM
IIRC the plan was to have the first wave of families move down last month.
Ah, well that's an issue. Was he still claiming that recently or was that just what was said 6 months ago?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on February 03, 2021, 09:14:37 PM
Ah, well that's an issue. Was he still claiming that recently or was that just what was said 6 months ago?

This is the post I remember seeing:

(https://i.postimg.cc/SsfBJxb7/tampa.png) (https://postimages.org/)
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: yelped on February 03, 2021, 10:50:58 PM
This is the post I remember seeing:

(https://i.postimg.cc/SsfBJxb7/tampa.png) (https://postimages.org/)
Ouch. And that was a month ago....
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Mordyk on February 03, 2021, 11:17:48 PM
Yes, overall this might be a good plan but...

Tesla wasn't started by Elon Musk, but they needed him to take the business where it is now.

המבין, יבין
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: efflpetzel on February 04, 2021, 05:05:10 PM
Yes, overall this might be a good plan but...

Tesla wasn't started by Elon Musk, but they needed him to take the business where it is now.

המבין, יבין
LOL
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ltttc on February 04, 2021, 08:40:24 PM
Anyone knows how many families already moved?
5 families moved this week and supposedly another 30 by Pesach. They moved to the existing non Jewish development, across the street from where they are building.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: iluv2travel on February 05, 2021, 12:18:35 AM
5 families moved this week and supposedly another 30 by Pesach. They moved to the existing non Jewish development, across the street from where they are building.

Are they renting those homes until theirs are ready?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ltttc on February 05, 2021, 03:37:20 PM
Are they renting those homes until theirs are ready?
Good question. Dunno.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Chapshnell on February 07, 2021, 08:42:54 AM

(https://i.postimg.cc/fT9gt7pK/B08-B723-F-FC43-4-C50-B56-A-2-F1-D1-A4-CA5-B6.png) (https://postimg.cc/dLJ9gCqk)

(https://i.postimg.cc/P5nVmpkk/D62-D76-B9-CA81-4-C0-F-8-BE0-EA1-C19-ED2-F8-A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/7fXN4L6B)
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: EliJelly on February 07, 2021, 09:39:09 AM
I'm a little bit concerned seeing this huge rebbisha chair sits there already, so importantly even when there's still a boiler tank next to it, what the real intention of this initiative is.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: YitzyS on February 07, 2021, 10:02:07 AM
I'm a little bit concerned seeing this huge rebbisha chair sits there already, so importantly even when there's still a boiler tank next to it, what the real intention of this initiative is.
That's the mikva!
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Something Fishy on February 07, 2021, 10:16:24 AM
I'm a little bit concerned seeing this huge rebbisha chair sits there already, so importantly even when there's still a boiler tank next to it, what the real intention of this initiative is.

Not a stirah.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: YitzyS on February 07, 2021, 10:29:42 AM
That's the mikva!
After doing some research (not) I've been informed that it's actually the cholent.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: whacked1 on February 07, 2021, 10:39:21 AM
I'm a little bit concerned seeing this huge rebbisha chair sits there already, so importantly even when there's still a boiler tank next to it, what the real intention of this initiative is.
CMIIW, but I dont believe it was ever hidden that he intended on being "rebbe / ruv" of the community. I think its smart that he establishes that from the beginning. There are way too many developments that have endless machlokes over this when looking for a rov down the road.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Something Fishy on February 07, 2021, 11:07:18 AM
CMIIW, but I dont believe it was ever hidden that he intended on being "rebbe / ruv" of the community.

This.

Is the real reason behind all this so he has his own" community? Very possible. But that's perfectly fine IMO. A community like this MUST have a nucleus in order to have any chance whatsoever of being successful.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on February 07, 2021, 11:11:24 AM
I'm a little bit concerned seeing this huge rebbisha chair sits there already, so importantly even when there's still a boiler tank next to it, what the real intention of this initiative is.

Everyone is going to have their own motivations for moving down and making the community work. As long as no one else's goals are in conflict with your own, there's no problem. It's good to know what you're getting into, though.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on February 07, 2021, 11:12:54 AM
After doing some research (not) I've been informed that it's actually the cholent.

So not the mikva, or also the mikva?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: AsherO on February 07, 2021, 11:18:24 AM
CMIIW, but I dont believe it was ever hidden that he intended on being "rebbe / ruv" of the community. I think its smart that he establishes that from the beginning. There are way too many developments that have endless machlokes over this when looking for a rov down the road.

It’s like עשה לך רב but in reverse...
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: EliJelly on February 07, 2021, 02:39:49 PM
This.

Is the real reason behind all this so he has his own" community? Very possible. But that's perfectly fine IMO. A community like this MUST have a nucleus in order to have any chance whatsoever of being successful.
True. But usually with a monetary nucleus in mind then it's the costumer's satisfaction what is mainly focused on, as that will result in the desired business success in mind. Otoh, with other desires in mind, especially this one, the people's best interest is not always what the project is centered on. Of course I'm genuinely hoping this is not going to be the case here.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: aygart on February 07, 2021, 03:01:04 PM
True. But usually with a monetary nucleus in mind then it's the costumer's satisfaction what is mainly focused on, as that will result in the desired business success in mind. Otoh, with other desires in mind, especially this one, the people's best interest is not always what the project is centered on. Of course I'm genuinely hoping this is not going to be the case here.
Why? It is just a different way of arriving at business success!
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: EliJelly on February 07, 2021, 03:11:56 PM
Why? It is just a different way of arriving at business success!
You probably aren't that experienced with nudgy Rav'elach in blue/white garb :)
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Positive energy on February 07, 2021, 05:24:01 PM
True. But usually with a monetary nucleus in mind then it's the costumer's satisfaction what is mainly focused on, as that will result in the desired business success in mind. Otoh, with other desires in mind, especially this one, the people's best interest is not always what the project is centered on. Of course I'm genuinely hoping this is not going to be the case here.
For instance

The new linden NJ chasidish community the koson rav was the founder , also Hope's to have a nice chasidus thru the new yishev ,and har that in mind , and now with 150 family's b"h  there , there is already 3 shuls and another 5 in the plans ,and everyong gets along nice,not sure how tampa would  play out but can still be good
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Dan on February 07, 2021, 05:26:24 PM
So, any DDFers thinking of moving there?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: YitzyS on February 07, 2021, 05:57:28 PM
So, any DDFers thinking of moving there?




**crickets**
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: TimT on February 07, 2021, 06:00:47 PM



**crickets**
They're out enjoying their olympic size pools.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: yelped on February 07, 2021, 06:22:48 PM
For instance

The new linden NJ chasidish community the koson rav was the founder , also Hope's to have a nice chasidus thru the new yishev ,and har that in mind , and now with 150 family's b"h  there , there is already 3 shuls and another 5 in the plans ,and everyong gets along nice,not sure how tampa would  play out but can still be good
Not to get into this discussion, but the Kossoner Rebbe of Linden is a very different man than the organizer of the Tampa Bay community.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: yesitsme on February 07, 2021, 10:48:19 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/fT9gt7pK/B08-B723-F-FC43-4-C50-B56-A-2-F1-D1-A4-CA5-B6.png) (https://postimg.cc/dLJ9gCqk)
I thought they have jobs...........
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: TimT on February 07, 2021, 10:55:13 PM
I thought they have jobs...........
Sunday ?
SUPER SUNDAY ??
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Positive energy on February 07, 2021, 11:27:57 PM
Believe it or not all jokes/negativity aside, they have close to 100 homes sold burich hashem
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: yelped on February 07, 2021, 11:52:58 PM
Believe it or not all jokes/negativity aside, they have close to 100 homes sold burich hashem
We all wish them the best. We just wish them better at the same. :)
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: JACKBLUE on February 08, 2021, 12:00:02 AM
Believe it or not all jokes/negativity aside, they have close to 100 homes sold burich hashem
Source? I hear that less then 5 closed and about 25 are in contract with soft deposits.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: YitzyS on February 08, 2021, 12:06:15 AM
Believe it or not all jokes/negativity aside, they have close to 100 homes sold burich hashem
Username checks out
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: @mike on February 08, 2021, 10:11:20 AM
Has the minyan started? I heading to Tampa this week for work and can use a late ma'ariv.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Chapshnell on February 09, 2021, 11:09:27 AM
Options are good, casa grande, az, tampa, fl.. wayyyyyyyy better options than dirty brooklyn, we just need a Kauai rebbe, who wants to take the mantle?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Something Fishy on February 09, 2021, 11:17:21 AM
Options are good, casa grande, az, tampa, fl.. wayyyyyyyy better options than dirty brooklyn, we just need a Kauai rebbe, who wants to take the mantle?

Ah mantle in Kauai??? What we need is a bathing suit with a mittele atura.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: AsherO on February 09, 2021, 11:22:37 AM
Ah mantle in Kauai??? What we need is a bathing suit with a mittele atura.

Gotta somehow give it a Hawaiian vibe. Maybe a Hawaiian print linen Bekishe to go with it?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: TimT on February 09, 2021, 11:26:58 AM
Options are good, casa grande, az, tampa, fl.. wayyyyyyyy better options than dirty brooklyn, we just need a Kauai rebbe, who wants to take the mantle?
Get back to me when these places offer Kotzke herring. :)
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Something Fishy on February 09, 2021, 11:27:03 AM
Gotta somehow give it a Hawaiian vibe. Maybe a Hawaiian print linen Bekishe to go with it?

In ✋🏻
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: AsherO on February 09, 2021, 11:27:41 AM
In ✋🏻

Then I nominate you!
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: AsherO on February 09, 2021, 11:31:25 AM
Get back to me when these places offer Kotzke herring. :)

Don't tell me you're talking about that Rebbe's Choice branded junk (https://www.rebbeschoice.com/product/honey-mustard-sriracha-herring/), it's gross.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: EliJelly on February 09, 2021, 03:29:04 PM
Then I nominate you!
Best candidate for a Rav! Everyone will look up at him.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Dan on February 09, 2021, 03:30:19 PM
Best candidate for a Rav! Everyone will look up at him.
(https://i.dansdeals.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/23014225/Fishy-Seems-Legit.png)
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: grodnoking on February 09, 2021, 03:33:07 PM
Options are good, casa grande, az, tampa, fl.. wayyyyyyyy better options than dirty brooklyn, we just need a Kauai rebbe, who wants to take the mantle?
I'd love to be a Rebbi, but I dont eat fish.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Yehuda57 on February 09, 2021, 03:38:54 PM
Best candidate for a Rav! Everyone will look up at him.

Of equal importance to looking up to a rav is a rav who doesn't look down on others.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: shabbosabba on February 09, 2021, 07:14:17 PM
I'd love to be a Rebbi, but I dont eat fish.

That's why we need @Something Fishy  :)
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: AsherO on February 09, 2021, 07:16:23 PM
Of equal importance to looking up to a rav is a rav who doesn't look down on others.

כל הפוסל...
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Yehuda57 on February 09, 2021, 07:45:08 PM
כל הפוסל...

Oy, I was definitely not directing that comment at anyone specific
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: efflpetzel on February 10, 2021, 09:39:00 AM
Ah mantle in Kauai??? What we need is a bathing suit with a mittele atura.
ALOL
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Ayl on February 11, 2021, 12:27:00 AM
OK ill try to fill in some blanks:

The Tausig's are saying they have more than 100 people who signed, but of course I don't know the real number.
I believe most of the people who signed still have lots of questions and are uncertain about certain things, but I hope this will change once we get together, and there is an event this Moitse Shabbos, details and location is of course only for those who signed.

The location of the project changed, they say the reason is because, the original development in Pasco county got postponed with another year due to Covid.
The new location is in Hillsborough county, it has some downsides
1. The larger homes aren't available here (largest option is only 2600sf + 2 car garage)
3. They are not so flexible with changing the home layout
3. Hillsborough is already a more developed place so I think they wont be so forthcoming as in Pasco, plus I think its a democratic county, but this is just my theory, Im not sure if I'm right.

On the positive side:
1. This location is already confirmed and yes I know some have seen Models this week, and others are flying down shortly.
2. The development company is D.R Horton, a very large development company.
3. Lot size is either 40 or 50Ft Wide ( I think the length is 120, not sure though)
4. They have 3 options of homes, "Robie" "Cali" and "Hayden"  You can google it and look it up by yourself.

My biggest concern at the moment is type crowd and all around Moisdes Etc. I hope the event will clear this void

@Lurker I totally agree with you on this one, their PR was bad and there was a constant lack of engagement and transparency, But it seems like things are finally moving now
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Ayl on February 11, 2021, 12:33:13 AM
Downside #3 is real, hills borough sheriff is a dirt bag more covid tyranny there than in nyc, by far. In March the same week he released a repeat offender who had 39 felons, he arrested a pastor for assembling in his church, totalitarian tyrant. If your primary reason to move is the tyranny in NY, hills borough isn’t the place to seek refuge.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Jo 08701 on February 16, 2021, 02:43:19 AM
I hope this is the right forum, to vent all my ספיקות.
As I am looking already for quite sometime into the South Florida housing market, as an option to own a vacation house which should eventually cover itself through rentals over peak seasons. I found that North Miami Beach is out of the budget already.
Some background: I am Chasidish, with some strict values, for example i need a walking distance men mikva, especially for shabbos morning. Upto 1 hour walking should be good. I walked sometimes when I went on vacation, more than an hour per direction for טבילת עזרא.
Minyan I am ok with Chasidish, Chabad, Yeshivish/Sefard/Ashkenaz.
Food, I am not at the age anymore that I should have a must for real fancy restaurants. But I do need a supermarket with basic kosher food with heimeishe hechsheirim.
Since I live in Lakewood in a decent size house, I am not looking to go there Pesach/Succos. As of now I can't even go even I want, for many reasons.
So therefore i have no problem on counting on the rental income.
Over the Winter, in our current situation we won't go down more than once over the winter, kids are in school, young kids, etc.
Over the summer we are looking to spend there the Aug month, as we drove down over the last few years, and we really loved it. Yes in the hot weather, but the private pool and the quietness is very good.
I remember when some Chasidish people moved from NY to North Miami Beach about 15 years ago and houses were cheap. At that time approximately many chasidish people bought there for a vacation home, and they are really having a use of it now, and are able to rent it out for top money during season.
My question is, is there chances that Tampa might be in the same position? Some Chasidish people moving from NY, that will make it a nice size OOT Community with their local grocery etc.
I understand that I can't count on getting 400 a night during the whole winter, but how about 200 a night? Also for Pesach/Succos I believe I can count on 5000 each.
Now the pros and cons in my eyes for both options:
Miami PROs
Higher nightly rate and easier to rent out.
More kosher options which makes it cheaper for me when visiting.
Established, no risk, no worries not to have minyan, etc.
The Community is full fledged already and not dependent on vacationers.
They are in the middle of the stages to open chasidish schools. Hence I can see my kids live there when they marry.
TAMPA pros.
Cheaper upfront price, new construction.
Less exposure to Flooding, less risk even with global warming. (Remember I am planning to use it more in 40 years from now.)

Both options have cheap flight options.

Tampa Cons:
Risk if this will be working out, but I do believe if there will be 100 chasidish families that will guarantee it a mikva, kosher grocery.
As of now, there is no market for kosher villas there.

Here are some questions which I wonna have input from others who know answers.
How about the weather in the summer in Tampa, was never there, i was in Miami and it wasnt that bad as some are trying to portray it. In my eyes, על טעם וריח אין להתוכיח.

Many say that Miami metro is the main attraction the food. Since i am not a foodie guy, i can't real answer that. But I wonder why people don't go to Tampa/Sarasota/St. Petersburg areas for vacation, atleast on the same level as Cancun which also don't have many food options.

Now, I did spoke to the organizers, and they have no problem that some people should buy for vacation homes. I do believe it will only help them that some people should have vacation houses there. That will bring free advertising for their Community, all the home owners will have to advertise their houses for the heimeishe Community. It will also bring weekly new faces to the Community and more outside money into the local heimeishe economy.
Those visitors will also become ambassadors for the Community, back home in Tri State area.
Vacationers usually spend more money in Grocery for expensive items, that will make it more economically viable to bring it down those stuff.
Now if the demand would be more than supply, like for example Linden NJ,  I understand that it wouldn't be healthy to have outside investors to drive up prices. And I would never think of buying in such a climate, ואהבת לרעך כמוך and I am not even in the real estate industry to have a יצר הרע to do it.
Tampa is not that the case, they have a huge supply, about 700 houses in just that gated community. Plus many new communities are being build around that area.

Would you consider buying a vacation house in greater Tampa area, as an alternative to South Florida?

Do you think there is more chances that other areas in South Florida with low prices, should become more Chasidish friendly?
In my eyes is Hollywood the closest candidate to North Miami Beach in South Florida, but its also more expensive than Tampa, plus its older houses.
How about North Miami beach outskirts? Spoke to some house managers and they said I won't be able to rent it out as of now. Where are the younger chabad families moving as alternative to NMB?
Your input is appreciated.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: YitzyS on February 16, 2021, 07:05:53 AM
I hope this is the right forum, to vent all my ספיקות.
I'm not going to weigh in, because I know nothing about Florida, but I just wanted to say that I love the way you write. So methodical, and you communicate your thoughts really well. It's rare that I enjoy reading such a long post, especially one that I know nothing about...
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: AsherO on February 16, 2021, 08:24:29 AM
I'm not going to weigh in, because I know nothing about Florida, but I just wanted to say that I love the way you write. So methodical, and you communicate your thoughts really well. It's rare that I enjoy reading such a long post, especially one that I know nothing about...

I gave him another like for you.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: TimT on February 16, 2021, 08:45:51 AM
Has the minyan started? I heading to Tampa this week for work and can use a late ma'ariv.
TR ?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: jj1000 on February 16, 2021, 08:51:34 AM
Where are the younger chabad families moving as alternative to NMB?

Hallandale Beach, Aventura Isles, Hollywood a few different areas there.

Or go more north and get a cheap and big place in Boynton Beach, depending on age that can be a great option, but likely poor for rental income.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Jo 08701 on February 16, 2021, 10:12:39 AM
Hallandale Beach, Aventura Isles, Hollywood a few different areas there.

Or go more north and get a cheap and big place in Boynton Beach, depending on age that can be a great option, but likely poor for rental income.

Hi, can you please elaborate on this.
Do this communities have a full fledged Chabad house similar to the NMB chabad which has a separate nice comfortable mens mikvah.
I forgot to note in my earlier post 2 points.
1) Tampa has more and easier evacuation options ח"ו in case of a major hurricane, you are closer to mainland.
2) I spoke to one of the major house managers,  who I am doing business with already for more than six years.
When I was there the first time he was busy the whole time how you can buy for cheap, fix it over, and use for yourself and rent it out, making nice money. When I spoke to him last week, he told he can't advise me what to do, he didn't want to say anything how much you can make etc. He just told me that if i end up buying he will gladly help me out, and manage it. That was a sign for me that he also believes that NMB is at their peak, and the numbers is to high.
He told I can try to go the other side of the canal where you can still find for a little cheaper, but also wasn't pushy as he was when prices were like 350 with a pool.
Regarding other areas, I asked him about Hollywood, he knows me well, so he advised me that it's not my type or even similar.
Regarding Tampa, he didn't have any info about that. Hence it's a new product and in the early stages.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ad120 on February 16, 2021, 10:26:05 AM
Hallandale Beach, Aventura Isles, Hollywood a few different areas there.

Or go more north and get a cheap and big place in Boynton Beach, depending on age that can be a great option, but likely poor for rental income.
Boynton Beach is where everyone should invest now. It's going to explode in a few years. Similarly to Boca Raton.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ad120 on February 16, 2021, 10:29:11 AM
I hope this is the right forum, to vent all my ספיקות.
As I am looking already for quite sometime into the South Florida housing market, as an option to own a vacation house which should eventually cover itself through rentals over peak seasons. I found that North Miami Beach is out of the budget already.
Some background: I am Chasidish, with some strict values, for example i need a walking distance men mikva, especially for shabbos morning. Upto 1 hour walking should be good. I walked sometimes when I went on vacation, more than an hour per direction for טבילת עזרא.
Minyan I am ok with Chasidish, Chabad, Yeshivish/Sefard/Ashkenaz.
Food, I am not at the age anymore that I should have a must for real fancy restaurants. But I do need a supermarket with basic kosher food with heimeishe hechsheirim.
Since I live in Lakewood in a decent size house, I am not looking to go there Pesach/Succos. As of now I can't even go even I want, for many reasons.
So therefore i have no problem on counting on the rental income.
Over the Winter, in our current situation we won't go down more than once over the winter, kids are in school, young kids, etc.
Over the summer we are looking to spend there the Aug month, as we drove down over the last few years, and we really loved it. Yes in the hot weather, but the private pool and the quietness is very good.
I remember when some Chasidish people moved from NY to North Miami Beach about 15 years ago and houses were cheap. At that time approximately many chasidish people bought there for a vacation home, and they are really having a use of it now, and are able to rent it out for top money during season.
My question is, is there chances that Tampa might be in the same position? Some Chasidish people moving from NY, that will make it a nice size OOT Community with their local grocery etc.
I understand that I can't count on getting 400 a night during the whole winter, but how about 200 a night? Also for Pesach/Succos I believe I can count on 5000 each.
Now the pros and cons in my eyes for both options:
Miami PROs
Higher nightly rate and easier to rent out.
More kosher options which makes it cheaper for me when visiting.
Established, no risk, no worries not to have minyan, etc.
The Community is full fledged already and not dependent on vacationers.
They are in the middle of the stages to open chasidish schools. Hence I can see my kids live there when they marry.
TAMPA pros.
Cheaper upfront price, new construction.
Less exposure to Flooding, less risk even with global warming. (Remember I am planning to use it more in 40 years from now.)

Both options have cheap flight options.

Tampa Cons:
Risk if this will be working out, but I do believe if there will be 100 chasidish families that will guarantee it a mikva, kosher grocery.
As of now, there is no market for kosher villas there.

Here are some questions which I wonna have input from others who know answers.
How about the weather in the summer in Tampa, was never there, i was in Miami and it wasnt that bad as some are trying to portray it. In my eyes, על טעם וריח אין להתוכיח.

Many say that Miami metro is the main attraction the food. Since i am not a foodie guy, i can't real answer that. But I wonder why people don't go to Tampa/Sarasota/St. Petersburg areas for vacation, atleast on the same level as Cancun which also don't have many food options.

Now, I did spoke to the organizers, and they have no problem that some people should buy for vacation homes. I do believe it will only help them that some people should have vacation houses there. That will bring free advertising for their Community, all the home owners will have to advertise their houses for the heimeishe Community. It will also bring weekly new faces to the Community and more outside money into the local heimeishe economy.
Those visitors will also become ambassadors for the Community, back home in Tri State area.
Vacationers usually spend more money in Grocery for expensive items, that will make it more economically viable to bring it down those stuff.
Now if the demand would be more than supply, like for example Linden NJ,  I understand that it wouldn't be healthy to have outside investors to drive up prices. And I would never think of buying in such a climate, ואהבת לרעך כמוך and I am not even in the real estate industry to have a יצר הרע to do it.
Tampa is not that the case, they have a huge supply, about 700 houses in just that gated community. Plus many new communities are being build around that area.

Would you consider buying a vacation house in greater Tampa area, as an alternative to South Florida?

Do you think there is more chances that other areas in South Florida with low prices, should become more Chasidish friendly?
In my eyes is Hollywood the closest candidate to North Miami Beach in South Florida, but its also more expensive than Tampa, plus its older houses.
How about North Miami beach outskirts? Spoke to some house managers and they said I won't be able to rent it out as of now. Where are the younger chabad families moving as alternative to NMB?
Your input is appreciated.
Eden Gardens in Kissimmee.
I personally love Sarasota and St. Petersburg. The lack of infrastructure makes it unattractive to drum families.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Ergel on February 16, 2021, 10:30:23 AM
(Remember I am planning to use it more in 40 years from now.)
I really don't get this cheshbon - who knows what will be in 40 years from now. Hopefully mashiach tzidkeinu will be here by then and you won't think of vacationing in FL. You can easily buy and sell many times over in the course of 40 years
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Jo 08701 on February 16, 2021, 11:52:01 AM
I really don't get this cheshbon - who knows what will be in 40 years from now. Hopefully mashiach tzidkeinu will be here by then and you won't think of vacationing in FL. You can easily buy and sell many times over in the course of 40 years

אחכה לו בכל יום שיבוא
So what the difference between making a calculations for 1 year or 40 years.
Now, I am not looking in to it as an investment,  I am looking to have something for my upcoming years עמו"ש, and if I am now almost 40, it makes sense to calculate till 80.
If I have bought already in Miami, or I live there, and scientists come put with a study that in 30 years from now Miami will be under water, I would leave it to hashem,  and not worry now. But since I don't have anything yet, so I believe I do have חיוב השתדלות to weigh my options on a normal level.
I am not a משפיע or any רוחניות authority, just a simple דעת בעל הבית.
I do believe that believing that South Florida can be under water is not a סתירה באמונת השם, after all the entire South Florida area was till approximately 100 years ago not habitated by Humans, the entire area was a swamp, so the sea can always reclaim it, ח"ו.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: EliJelly on February 16, 2021, 02:55:50 PM
Wasn't under water 100 years ago. It was a swamp and still is, they just figured how to make great use of the swamp.

#draintheswamp
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: TimT on February 16, 2021, 03:08:09 PM
I read an interview he gave last week. Says besides for Taussig families another 3 families have moved there & more come for the weekends.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: EliJelly on February 16, 2021, 03:09:31 PM

And to your question, I really don't see how it's possible to make that decision right now, and actually you shouldn't decide that now. It's definitely worth the wait to see how that development progresses, there is enough inventory to keep the prices stable for the next few years at least, and even paying 30k more in 3-4 years from is also worth it to have more clarity then. You say you don't need it for a RE investment but rather as a vacation home which should cover by itself. There will likely not be a big market for it in the next few years, so you can rather exploit the low renting cost to vacation there before buying so you can become personally familiar with the entire place.

Additionally. Looks to me like its a clustered development with no possibility of adding a privet pool in the backyard, which makes it unpractical for your vacation needs in the summer. CMIIW

Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: TimT on February 16, 2021, 03:18:53 PM
I really don't get this cheshbon - who knows what will be in 40 years from now. Hopefully mashiach tzidkeinu will be here by then
Is taking out a mortgage a lack of faith ? How about long-term investments ?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Ergel on February 16, 2021, 03:28:23 PM
Is taking out a mortgage a lack of faith ? How about long-term investments ?
I don't think so, but that's different than this.
Anyway, my main point was my last one, that you can sell and buy many times over in 40 years, why does this home need to be something usable for retirement
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: TimT on February 16, 2021, 03:38:40 PM
I don't think so, but that's different than this.
Anyway, my main point was my last one, that you can sell and buy many times over in 40 years, why does this home need to be something usable for retirement
Some are into the whole buying/selling buying/selling, while others are more 1 & done with it.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Jo 08701 on February 16, 2021, 03:42:34 PM


Additionally. Looks to me like its a clustered development with no possibility of adding a privet pool in the backyard, which makes it unpractical for your vacation needs in the summer. CMIIW

There are 40 ft lots and 50 ft lots, the 50 they say might be able to have pools.
The lots are deep 120.
I actually sent an email the builder inquiring about pool. Waiting to hear from them.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: etech0 on February 16, 2021, 04:25:47 PM
Is taking out a mortgage a lack of faith ? How about long-term investments ?
How about washing dishes or laundry?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Yehuda57 on February 16, 2021, 04:30:13 PM
How about washing dishes or laundry?

How about @Dan booking a flight on AA?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: TimT on February 16, 2021, 04:39:54 PM
How about washing dishes or laundry?
I would not wash 30 years worth of dishes. But that’s just me.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: whacked1 on February 16, 2021, 04:42:18 PM
How about washing dishes or laundry?
You need clean clothes for mashiach.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: etech0 on February 16, 2021, 04:57:21 PM
I would not wash 30 years worth of dishes. But that’s just me.
gotta draw the line somewhere!
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Jo 08701 on February 16, 2021, 05:30:59 PM
Can I please ask kindly to leave this thread on the topic, I am really looking to get input from other readers, if they see this stuff they get turned off from answering.
TIA
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: whacked1 on February 16, 2021, 05:42:19 PM
Can I please ask kindly to leave this thread on the topic, I am really looking to get input from other readers, if they see this stuff they get turned off from answering.
TIA
R' Jo, you do understand asking about purchasing a home in tampa as an investment property is taking this thread off topic though....
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: drosenberg88429 on February 16, 2021, 08:10:49 PM
Is taking out a mortgage a lack of faith ?

If anything, buying in cash is a lack of faith. A loan that won't have to be repaid is something any faithful person would jump at.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Yehuda25 on February 16, 2021, 08:22:33 PM
If anything, buying in cash is a lack of faith. A loan that won't have to be repaid is something any faithful person would jump at.
+1 lol
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Traveler718 on February 17, 2021, 09:57:41 AM
I don't know if this will be helpful, but I was just in Tampa for the Super Bowl, where I managed to get a free ticket for my wife who's a doctor.

I'm not chassidish and didn't visit the new community, but after having visited many small Jewish communities (think Fargo, Green Bay, Jackson Hole), I found Tampa's Jewish scene to be far more OOT than I expected. There was a daily minyan, but it never started on time as it usually took 15+ minutes until they got a minyan together. The shul is called Young Israel, but it's run by Chabad (as is the rest of the town). People davened inside, outside, in the parking lot, and one local asked me if I'd ever davened "nusach cholent" before. The chinuch options there leave a LOT to be desired.

There was one kosher place (David's) I was told was okay, but it's basically an Israeli guy who lives in one of the Chabad houses downtown and has a kitchen there and makes food to order for pickup/delivery if you give him 1-2 hours advance notice. We tried going to the closest kosher grocery (Jo-El in St. Petersburg), only to find out that they closed on a Sunday (Super Bowl Sunday!) at 1 PM.

Tampa itself was lovely and we had an amazing time (other than the outcome of the game). And being so close to Orlando (<1.5 hours) is a big plus. But from a Jewish perspective, they're really starting from scratch, and unless they succeed in getting a critical mass and their own mosdos, there's virtually nothing else there.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: AsherO on February 17, 2021, 11:01:37 AM
I don't know if this will be helpful, but I was just in Tampa for the Super Bowl, where I managed to get a free ticket for my wife who's a doctor.

I'm not chassidish and didn't visit the new community, but after having visited many small Jewish communities (think Fargo, Green Bay, Jackson Hole), I found Tampa's Jewish scene to be far more OOT than I expected. There was a daily minyan, but it never started on time as it usually took 15+ minutes until they got a minyan together. The shul is called Young Israel, but it's run by Chabad (as is the rest of the town). People davened inside, outside, in the parking lot, and one local asked me if I'd ever davened "nusach cholent" before. The chinuch options there leave a LOT to be desired.

There was one kosher place (David's) I was told was okay, but it's basically an Israeli guy who lives in one of the Chabad houses downtown and has a kitchen there and makes food to order for pickup/delivery if you give him 1-2 hours advance notice. We tried going to the closest kosher grocery (Jo-El in St. Petersburg), only to find out that they closed on a Sunday (Super Bowl Sunday!) at 1 PM.

Tampa itself was lovely and we had an amazing time (other than the outcome of the game). And being so close to Orlando (<1.5 hours) is a big plus. But from a Jewish perspective, they're really starting from scratch, and unless they succeed in getting a critical mass and their own mosdos, there's virtually nothing else there.

These Chassidic communities that pop up presumably establish their own infrastructure (shuls, schools, and over time as they grow supermarkets and mikvahs etc). I don't think this community will be affected at all by the nusach cholent, or the lack of chinuch options in the legacy Tampa community.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: JlmBoi on February 17, 2021, 11:47:19 AM
I really don't get this cheshbon - who knows what will be in 40 years from now. Hopefully mashiach tzidkeinu will be here by then and you won't think of vacationing in FL. You can easily buy and sell many times over in the course of 40 years
Sorry for not understanding. Why won't I be vacationing in Florida after moshiach comes?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: EliJelly on February 17, 2021, 03:21:52 PM
These Chassidic communities that pop up presumably establish their own infrastructure (shuls, schools, and over time as they grow supermarkets and mikvahs etc). I don't think this community will be affected at all by the nusach cholent, or the lack of chinuch options in the legacy Tampa community.
But a non existent kosher scene is a major drawback for potential pioneers.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mendyt on February 17, 2021, 03:28:58 PM
https://www.instagram.com/refreshlawns/


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Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Something Fishy on February 17, 2021, 04:27:45 PM
my wife who's a doctor.

Hi Ben!
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Traveler718 on February 17, 2021, 05:04:25 PM
Hi Ben!

I guess it's been a long day, since if this is a joke, I'm not getting it. Unless you have me mixed up with someone else?

I went with you to Antarctica, as did my wife the doctor and aspiring photographer. Hopefully that should jog your memory, unless you've bumped into the ceiling one too many times.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: TimT on February 17, 2021, 05:17:22 PM
I guess it's been a long day, since if this is a joke, I'm not getting it. Unless you have me mixed up with someone else?

I went with you to Antarctica, as did my wife the doctor and aspiring photographer. Hopefully that should jog your memory, unless you've bumped into the ceiling one too many times.
Google “Ben’s wife doctor”
Must’ve been a very long day
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Traveler718 on February 17, 2021, 06:56:00 PM
Thanks for the explanation. Even if it wasn't a long day, I'm no expert in Ben Shapiro references, and simply mentioned my wife's profession as an explanation for how she got a free ticket to the Super Bowl as a healthcare worker.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: AsherO on February 17, 2021, 07:13:50 PM
But a non existent kosher scene is a major drawback for potential pioneers.

Depends how pioneering they are. Between local supermarkets (if OU products will suffice), driving a few hours (or a few more than a few) for the nearest Kosher supermarket, and refrigerating/freezing dairy/meat, you get by until you have enough of your own market for a small grocery.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: shabbosabba on February 17, 2021, 07:39:53 PM
I know heimeshe people who have ordered from supermarkets in the new York area and had it shipped down south. You'd be surprised how easy it is to get food. The same truck that will deliver to Miami, can make a stop in Tampa on the way down.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: iluv2travel on February 17, 2021, 10:16:49 PM
There's a Winn Dixie in Tampa that has a very decent kosher section with cholov yisroel milk and products. Similar to what the Orlando Winn Dixie had until this summer. Then the Orlando one did a huge expansion of their kosher section due to the very large influx of visitors. So if the Tampa one isn't good enough, the one in Orlando is around 1+ hrs away.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: YitzyS on February 17, 2021, 10:44:32 PM
Google “Ben’s wife doctor”
There's a famous joke about this.

Ben Shapiro is 60 years old and he's confirmed as the Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court. At the swearing-in ceremony, his 95-year-old Jewish mother is sitting in the audience. She leans over to the stranger sitting near her and points to her son standing at the podium.

"You see that man becoming the Chief Justice?" she whispers with pride. "That's my son. and his wife is a doctor!"
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: skyguy918 on February 19, 2021, 12:26:42 PM
https://www.instagram.com/refreshlawns/


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What is this? Is this a frum guy starting a business already there in Tampa?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mendyt on February 19, 2021, 12:39:30 PM
What is this? Is this a frum guy starting a business already there in Tampa?
Yup
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Dan on February 19, 2021, 01:01:46 PM
Hard to imagine Jewish vacation rentals in TPA taking off anytime soon. People flock to MIA due to the food scene.
CUN's food scene is far more robust than TPA.

Don't make decisions based on global warming. Imagine if the Waldorf did that and didn't build in MLE because they've been saying for decades that it will disappear.

And there will be a lot more money spent to save MIA than random MLE islands.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Dan on February 19, 2021, 01:02:38 PM
Boynton Beach is where everyone should invest now. It's going to explode in a few years. Similarly to Boca Raton.
Needs restaurants, bit of a chicken or the egg situation.
But I agree, should be a good investment location.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on February 19, 2021, 01:04:57 PM
Needs restaurants, bit of a chicken or the egg situation.
But I agree, should be a good investment location.

If we're comparing it to Boca, the food situation in Boca is still abysmal. Hasn't stopped the real estate from blowing up.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Dan on February 19, 2021, 01:11:08 PM
If we're comparing it to Boca, the food situation in Boca is still abysmal. Hasn't stopped the real estate from blowing up.
Boca may not have high quality places, but they have plenty of places to eat. High quality comes with time and demand.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: EliJelly on February 19, 2021, 01:23:14 PM
And about time to have some kosher eateries in West Palm Beach too. The 55+ chassidish community is booming. No demand for anything fancy though, even a full stocked kosher grocery & takeout will do.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on February 19, 2021, 01:39:58 PM
And about time to have some kosher eateries in West Palm Beach too. The 55+ chassidish community is booming. No demand for anything fancy though, even a full stocked kosher grocery & takeout will do.

There's Glick's in Boynton. They'll probably open another branch in WBP within a year.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: EliJelly on February 19, 2021, 01:44:00 PM
There's Glick's in Boynton. They'll probably open another branch in WBP within a year.
In Delray, about half hour drive. Wow happy to hear.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: TimT on February 20, 2021, 09:00:54 PM
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Positive energy on February 21, 2021, 01:02:22 AM
Btw anyone knows about Deerfield beach, a cousin of mine says its booming.
He owns 2 condos over there already for 13 years ,
He claims it just opened up there a chasidish shteeble ,
Anyone knows more about it?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: EliJelly on February 21, 2021, 01:10:10 AM
Btw anyone knows about Deerfield beach, a cousin of mine says its booming.
He owns 2 condos over there already for 13 years ,
He claims it just opened up there a chasidish shteeble ,
Anyone knows more about it?
Talking of the Century Village there. Heard there are chassidim too who own condos there. Probably not remotely close to the amount of chassidim in Century Village in WPB.

(It was in the news during the first wave of covid. The harsh crackdown may have resulted in Chassidim opening a shteeble on their own)
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: avromie7 on February 21, 2021, 07:17:42 AM
Talking of the Century Village there. Heard there are chassidim too who own condos there. Probably not remotely close to the amount of chassidim in Century Village in WPB.

(It was in the news during the first wave of covid. The harsh crackdown may have resulted in Chassidim opening a shteeble on their own)
There is a huge amount of Frum people in Century Village Deerfield Beach, and from what I understand a very sizable number of them are heimish/chassidish.

While they usually got along well, after the COVID public shaming fiasco they decided to open their own shul.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: whacked1 on February 21, 2021, 11:35:52 AM
There is a huge amount of Frum people in Century Village Deerfield Beach, and from what I understand a very sizable number of them are heimish/chassidish.

While they usually got along well, after the COVID public shaming fiasco they decided to open their own shul.
Is it a 55+ community ?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: avromie7 on February 21, 2021, 11:53:13 AM
Is it a 55+ community ?
Yes
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: skyguy918 on February 21, 2021, 12:13:55 PM
Century Village is one of the OG's for frum retirees. My grandparents bought there many years ago and sold recently after my grandmother a"h passed away and my grandfather couldn't really go independently anymore. The YI there is huge, and as avromie7 mentioned, prior to Covid they were successful in keeping it the only permanent shul in town. It definitely skews more modern overall though.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: joeberg on February 21, 2021, 12:19:34 PM
FYI, both shuls are located outside the gated community.

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Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: avromie7 on February 21, 2021, 02:58:41 PM
FYI, both shuls are located outside the gated community.

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Just outside the gated community and within the eruv.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: EliJelly on February 21, 2021, 03:27:17 PM
Century Village is one of the OG's for frum retirees. My grandparents bought there many years ago and sold recently after my grandmother a"h passed away and my grandfather couldn't really go independently anymore. The YI there is huge, and as avromie7 mentioned, prior to Covid they were successful in keeping it the only permanent shul in town. It definitely skews more modern overall though.
Having more than one kind of shul is a good thing. ''There is No One-Size-Fits All'' Applies to shuls too. They can still get along beautifully.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: shmelke on February 22, 2021, 12:11:34 PM
What about Molokai? Was just there, huge amount of undeveloped land, available for steal at 1/4 Billion Dollars, and daily flights from OGG and HNL!

As an added bonus its beautiful there!

https://www.khon2.com/always-investigating/molokai-ranch-sale-has-community-talking-public-private-options/
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: EliJelly on February 22, 2021, 03:29:38 PM
And best of all.. You get double portion of Shabbos. (I mean you can always claim you're a machmir)
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: aygart on February 22, 2021, 03:38:42 PM
What about Molokai? Was just there, huge amount of undeveloped land, available for steal at 1/4 Billion Dollars, and daily flights from OGG and HNL!

As an added bonus its beautiful there!

https://www.khon2.com/always-investigating/molokai-ranch-sale-has-community-talking-public-private-options/

Do we have a buyer here? Do the take points?
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=54.msg2407966#msg2407966
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Joel on February 22, 2021, 09:40:35 PM
What about Molokai? Was just there, huge amount of undeveloped land, available for steal at 1/4 Billion Dollars, and daily flights from OGG and HNL!

As an added bonus its beautiful there!

https://www.khon2.com/always-investigating/molokai-ranch-sale-has-community-talking-public-private-options/

Let's make a jewish community there.
Just saying I'd try this out in a second if we got a minyan together.
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=38452.0
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Positive energy on March 05, 2021, 12:43:49 AM
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Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Vanilla Ice on March 07, 2021, 10:20:30 PM
Why is it so hard to get information on this community? It doesn't seem like there is any communication? Who can you talk to to find out more info
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Joel on March 07, 2021, 11:06:46 PM
Why is it so hard to get information on this community? It doesn't seem like there is any communication? Who can you talk to to find out more info
Quote
Email: floridamove2021@gmail.com
Residential Homes appointments call: 718-854-1217
Business Opportunities appointments call: 718-854-1217
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: yesitsme on March 07, 2021, 11:28:33 PM
or you can contact imperial (and watch them hike up the rates)

Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Positive energy on March 08, 2021, 12:20:18 AM
or you can contact imperial (and watch them hike up the rates)
Do you think there is some truth to this?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Vanilla Ice on March 08, 2021, 12:58:22 PM
What does that mean about Imperial ?
You need to go onto Imamother to give info too. Lots of questions there
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Joel on March 08, 2021, 03:04:28 PM
What does that mean about Imperial ?
You need to go onto Imamother to give info too. Lots of questions there
Location checks out!
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: yelped on March 08, 2021, 06:29:56 PM
Location checks out!
He wants to be in Tampa.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Vanilla Ice on March 09, 2021, 12:39:07 AM
Joel-maybe I'm naive, but I still don't understand your reference to Imperial
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Joel on March 09, 2021, 11:47:41 AM
Joel-maybe I'm naive, but I still don't understand your reference to Imperial
You are mistaken. @yesitsme is the one who mentioned imperial
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: YitzyS on March 09, 2021, 11:48:55 AM
You are mistaken. @yesitsme is the one who mentioned imperial
Oh, it all makes sense now. Housing prices have gone up considerably since 2018.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: shmoe joe on April 01, 2021, 12:34:09 AM
Why is it so hard to get information on this community? It doesn't seem like there is any communication? Who can you talk to to find out more info
nice write up in @amimagazine
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Dovdovmoneytree on April 06, 2021, 05:32:51 PM
How about washing dishes or laundry?

Depends how many times you do it in years  ;)
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: justaregularguy on April 07, 2021, 05:46:06 PM
For instance

The new linden NJ chasidish community the koson rav was the founder , also Hope's to have a nice chasidus thru the new yishev ,and har that in mind , and now with 150 family's b"h  there , there is already 3 shuls and another 5 in the plans ,and everyong gets along nice,not sure how tampa would  play out but can still be good
i recently discovered a cool place called YESTERcades its all retro arcade games, pinball machines etc. very fun place. and its in Linden NJ- middle of nowhere in my mind. but there were chassidim there! so funny, maybe they were from the new community
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: yelped on April 07, 2021, 07:08:57 PM
I think there is one in Red Bank, too.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: BP16 on April 08, 2021, 02:10:33 PM
nice write up in @amimagazine
Which one? didn't see anything about Tampa in last Ami.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: ltttc on April 08, 2021, 06:26:20 PM
Which one? didn't see anything about Tampa in last Ami.
Pesach addition. Towards the back of the issue, there was a write up on many different new communities.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: JlmBoi on April 08, 2021, 07:14:51 PM


Pesach edition. Towards the back of the issue, there was a write up on many different new communities.

FTFY
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: UKinNYS on April 14, 2021, 03:29:52 PM
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Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Something Fishy on April 14, 2021, 03:46:58 PM
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No Be'er Mayim extra-fizzy seltzer? No deal.

On a more serious note, it's absolutely criminal that I learned more from this bootleg video that I did over the past year from the organizers. It boggles the mind that it's so hard to find any real info short of (presumably) reaching out to them privately.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Positive energy on April 14, 2021, 04:38:37 PM
No Be'er Mayim extra-fizzy seltzer? No deal.

On a more serious note, it's absolutely criminal that I learned more from this bootleg video that I did over the past year from the organizers. It boggles the mind that it's so hard to find any real info short of (presumably) reaching out to them privately.

Call malka taussig
7188107337
Or
duvid leib Rosenberg  845-637-5309, he was the third toishev and works for the new yishev, and he will be able to assist you with any further steps.. Thank you
They Speak to everyone who reaches out, I personally spoke to many people who dealt with them directly and no issues,
Call them and keep us posted ,
Hatzlucha on your new journey
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Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: lubaby on April 14, 2021, 04:51:52 PM
You are talking nonsense, and repeat your nonsense non stop ,not sure what's your motive is

Call malka taussig
7188107337
Or
duvid leib Rosenberg  845-637-5309, he was the third toishev and works for the new yishev, and he will be able to assist you with any further steps.. Thank you
They Speak to everyone who reaches out, I personally spoke to many people who dealt with them directly and no issues,
Call them and keep us posted ,
If they posted proper information online, they wouldn't need to have the conversations over and over again with every person that is thinking about thinking about moving there.

It boggles the mind that it's so hard to find any real info short of (presumably) reaching out to them privately.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Yehuda57 on April 14, 2021, 04:53:19 PM
"Why aren't they marketing this so people don't have to reach out personally to get even basic info?"

"You are talking nonsense. Reach out to them personally and you'll get basic info."
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Positive energy on April 14, 2021, 04:58:48 PM
If they posted proper information online, they wouldn't need to have the conversations over and over again with every person that is thinking about thinking about moving there.
Do you know any person that moved to a new neighborhood or bought a house somewhere with just information online?
Come on , who ever is serious to move knows where to contact them
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Positive energy on April 14, 2021, 05:01:21 PM
"Why aren't they marketing this so people don't have to reach out personally to get even basic info?"

"You are talking nonsense. Reach out to them personally and you'll get basic info."
Tell me one new chasidish yishev that was built in recent years with marketing  ? Waste of money and time and main point is that all negative people have what to talk about,
Chasidim in Lakewood
Linden
Staten island
Bloomingrove
Monticello
All this new yishevem was built without marketing ,

Bloomingburg was first with millions of dollars and marketing and didn't got no where. Till they stopped doing marketing and started to hustle and sweat a bit to work one on one with people
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Euclid on April 14, 2021, 05:02:53 PM
Tell me one new chasidish yishev that was built in recent years with marketing  ? Waste of money and time and main point is that all negative people have what to talk about,
Chasidim in Lakewood
All this new yishevem was built without marketing
False
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Yehuda57 on April 14, 2021, 05:18:35 PM
Tell me one new chasidish yishev that was built in recent years with marketing  ? Waste of money and time and main point is that all negative people have what to talk about,
Chasidim in Lakewood
Linden
Staten island
Bloomingrove
Monticello
All this new yishevem was built without marketing ,

Bloomingburg was first with millions of dollars and marketing and didn't got no where. Till they stopped doing marketing and started to hustle and sweat a bit to work one on one with people

Dude, if you want to communicate with people on a public forum, please pay attention to the words you are using and the flow of conversation. I pointed out how you were in such a hurry to respond rudely to someone, you not only missed their point, you made their point almost word for word.

Now you responded to me, who didn't argue the marketing point. You then proceeded to say, "They stopped doing marketing and started to hustle and sweat a bit to work one on one" Which IS MARKETING.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Positive energy on April 14, 2021, 05:20:13 PM
False
I knew that some here won't get my point about lakewood, I am talking about the nee movement mainly started by belz,satamr and so, they didn't do marketing! They did one on one events and meetings to get it started
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Positive energy on April 14, 2021, 05:23:04 PM
Dude, if you want to communicate with people on a public forum, please pay attention to the words you are using and the flow of conversation. I pointed out how you were in such a hurry to respond rudely to someone, you not only missed their point, you made their point almost word for word.

Now you responded to me, who didn't argue the marketing point. You then proceeded to say, "They stopped doing marketing and started to hustle and sweat a bit to work one on one" Which IS MARKETING.
I took it down, but that person keeps on asking and throwing negative attention , these people don't want or plan to move, if he is serious he would have for sure gotten the info by now , who ever believes a new chasidish yishev can be built with marketing is just not realistic how this works and I am sure most here aren't chasidish and literally don't understand the chasidish culture and about new yeshivem
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Positive energy on April 14, 2021, 05:25:28 PM


to work one on one" Which IS MARKETING.

Well if you want to call this marketing then even better that's what Tampa does they work one on one, who ever is ready to do the giant step and make a move from NY/NJ to Florida they work with you one on one to help you do it, and that's why it happened and slowly people are moving in ,and you can be assured once they have 100 families living there , they will start doing mass marketing in the media
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Ergel on April 14, 2021, 05:28:16 PM

Well if you want to call this marketing then even better that's what Tampa does they work one on one, who ever is ready to do the giant step and make a move from NY/NJ to Florida they work with you one on one to help you do it, and that's why it happened and slowly people are moving in ,and you can be assured once they have 100 families living there , they will start doing mass marketing in the media
I thought mass marketing isn't how it works and anyone who thinks it is isn't chasidish and doesn't understand "chasidish culture and about new yeshivem"
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: JlmBoi on April 14, 2021, 05:29:57 PM
I took it down, but that person keeps on asking and throwing negative attention , these people don't want or plan to move, if he is serious he would have for sure gotten the info by now , who ever believes a new chasidish yishev can be built with marketing is just not realistic how this works and I am sure most here aren't chasidish and literally don't understand the chasidish culture and about new yeshivem
I'm not saying they won't be successful, but it sends a certain message to do it the way that they are, and maybe that's what they are shooting for, I don't know, but I can see why it turns people off.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: mushkovits on April 14, 2021, 05:30:10 PM
I took it down, but that person keeps on asking and throwing negative attention , these people don't want or plan to move, if he is serious he would have for sure gotten the info by now , who ever believes a new chasidish yishev can be built with marketing is just not realistic how this works and I am sure most here aren't chasidish and literally don't understand the chasidish culture and about new yeshivem
I’m a Russian bot
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Yehuda57 on April 14, 2021, 05:36:37 PM
Take a chill, my man. It's 4:20 somewhere
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Traveler718 on April 14, 2021, 06:02:05 PM
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If they're calling it Tempa, I'm out.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: yelped on April 14, 2021, 06:11:05 PM
If they're calling it Tempa, I'm out.
If you watch the video, you would probably also be out. Sounds like he wants to market it for the Uber Chassidesh with no strong "secular" curriculum (at least that's how I understood it).
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: whacked1 on April 14, 2021, 06:55:29 PM
Take a chill, my man. It's 4:20 somewhere
Not in lakewood. They go straight to 5
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: EliJelly on April 14, 2021, 07:46:23 PM
No Be'er Mayim extra-fizzy seltzer? No deal.

On a more serious note, it's absolutely criminal that I learned more from this bootleg video that I did over the past year from the organizers. It boggles the mind that it's so hard to find any real info short of (presumably) reaching out to them privately.
Can't access that video. What are the chidushim in there?
Also, the fact that they do zero marketing is criminal and beyond stupid. Unless I am not chassidish enough either. ::)
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on April 14, 2021, 07:50:27 PM
Mods, can we have the thread title fixed to Tempa? TIA

Also, pretty sure I've heard @Positive energy's "voice" before under a different moniker.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Positive energy on April 14, 2021, 08:11:02 PM
I thought mass marketing isn't how it works and anyone who thinks it is isn't chasidish and doesn't understand "chasidish culture and about new yeshivem"
To start a new yishev ! History shows like bloomingburg and Jersey city that have spent on mass marketing that it was a waste of time and had a negative opposite affect, for an example if they publicize everything they have to offer then people just go talk bla bla , like this person here the only negative he can be busy asking again And again is why we don't hear from them, keep on talking... they need serious people that want to go live there, just feeding the gossipers ..is ending up having a reverse affect, once it's stable with around 100 families, these bla bla people can't really hurt the building of the yishev,I have followed it closely by other new chasidish yeshivem ,and people learn from the mistakes
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Positive energy on April 14, 2021, 08:11:38 PM
I'm not saying they won't be successful, but it sends a certain message to do it the way that they are, and maybe that's what they are shooting for, I don't know, but I can see why it turns people off.
What does people turn off?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Positive energy on April 14, 2021, 08:18:30 PM
If you watch the video, you would probably also be out. Sounds like he wants to market it for the Uber Chassidesh with no strong "secular" curriculum (at least that's how I understood it).
This tells me enough that I am really stupid for even talking in to this discussion in here, he is building a yishev for chasidim, whatever it means chasidish in Williamsburg/bp/monsey/skver/kiryas yoel
א גוטן טאג
FyI The first few families are ultra/uber chasidish from kiryas yoel , skver, monsey and boro park ...that have sent their kids to mainstream mosdos ! so figure it out ..


Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Dan on April 14, 2021, 08:25:48 PM
Advertising "Positive energy" is like advertising "Quality Inn."
When you need to say it, it's probably not.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on April 14, 2021, 08:27:34 PM
Advertising "Positive energy" is like advertising "Quality Inn."
When you need to say it, it's probably not.

Kinda like "Erlich."

I guess "Lurker" qualifies, too...
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on April 14, 2021, 08:33:04 PM
Not in lakewood. They go straight to 5

Buffett fans, huh.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Yehuda57 on April 14, 2021, 09:14:19 PM
Fwiw, the argument that they only want to market to people who are interested enough to pick up the phone and call the organizers is legitimate. Just make the argument without calling people names and getting into a hissy fit any time someone makes a post that you don't agree with 100%.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Something Fishy on April 14, 2021, 09:46:48 PM
@Positive energy the assertions you made about me are so absurd I won't even bother responding.

You do make my point though - all the people in this thread who seems to be involved/well informed/etc. in this project have been, quite frankly, obnoxious. I'm pretty sure the organizers are aware of this thread and I just wish someone would take the time to address some of the questions raised here.

And if they join and say that they prefer to only discuss things personally, even that would be helpful in a way. Personally I'm intrigued by the idea, but not nearly serious enough to call and make it "official". I want to get excited about this. That video didn't have much news, but what it did have was a real glimpse into the thought process and I found that quite revealing - in a good way.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: yungermanchik on April 14, 2021, 09:51:03 PM
Advertising "Positive energy" is like advertising "Quality Inn."
When you need to say it, it's probably not.
It's not a new concept, It's just like רש"י on the top pf the page in נדרים etc.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Positive energy on April 14, 2021, 09:54:19 PM
@Positive energy the assertions you made about me are so absurd I won't even bother responding.

You do make my point though - all the people in this thread who seems to be involved/well informed/etc. in this project have been, quite frankly, obnoxious. I'm pretty sure the organizers are aware of this thread and I just wish someone would take the time to address some of the questions raised here.

And if they join and say that they prefer to only discuss things personally, even that would be helpful in a way. Personally I'm intrigued by the idea, but not nearly serious enough to call and make it "official". I _want_ to get excited about this. That video didn't have much news, but what it did have was a real glimpse into the thought process and I found that quite revealing - in a good way.
And to burst your final bubble  , Dan's deals is not the place for it , especially it's not a chasidish site at all #secular ,( can you imagine a representative from tampa will need to come in here and fight about secular education or any other stupidity about how bad chasidim are in general ? Come on you are smarter then that ..)
if you can tell me one chasidish person that did a life/move change out of a public forum I have few bridges to sell you..

And to last I have nothing with this development ,I am just a person that likes to research new yeshivem and yes I do have investments in other new yeshivem but not affiliated in any way with any new yishev or development ! Yes I have been already at this new Tampa yishev, just because i happened to be in the area anyway i checked it out.

Thousands of chasidim have moved to new yeshivem in the last 6 years and I can assure you no one did their move because Dan's deals or any other public forum, enough said
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Something Fishy on April 14, 2021, 09:59:28 PM
And to burst your final bubble  , Dan's deals is not the place , especially it's not a chasidish sitw at all #secular ,
if you can tell me one chasidish person that did a life/move change out of a public forum I have few bridges to sell you..

And to last I have nothing with this development ,I am just a person that like research and yes I do have investments in other new yeshivem but not affiliated in any way with any new yishev or development !

Thousands of chasidim have moved to new yeshivem and I can assure you no one did their move because Dan's deals or any other public forum, enough said

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Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: yelped on April 14, 2021, 10:10:17 PM
This tells me enough that I am really stupid for even talking in to this discussion in here, he is building a yishev for chasidim, whatever it means chasidish in Williamsburg/bp/monsey/skver/kiryas yoel
א גוטן טאג
FyI The first few families are ultra/uber chasidish from kiryas yoel , skver, monsey and boro park ...that have sent their kids to mainstream mosdos ! so figure it out ..
What's Chassidesh about not knowing how to spell, or speak a proper English, or knowing how to do math, or knowing proper etiquette and Derech Eretz, and so on and so forth?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: TimT on April 14, 2021, 10:10:34 PM
especially it's not a chasidish site at all #secular
That’s it @Dan, I’m outta here. Lemme know when you’re ready to start a nice chassidishe site.
#DensDealsFochums
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Positive energy on April 14, 2021, 10:11:12 PM
What's Chassidesh about not knowing how to spell, or speak a proper English, or knowing how to do math, or knowing proper etiquette and Derech Eretz, and so on and so forth?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on April 14, 2021, 10:21:07 PM


Possibly the most positive thing you've ever posted.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: etech0 on April 14, 2021, 11:16:30 PM
Advertising "Positive energy" is like advertising "Quality Inn."
When you need to say it, it's probably not.
Or "high speed internet"
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: TimT on April 15, 2021, 12:54:25 PM
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: BP16 on April 15, 2021, 05:10:19 PM
And to burst your final bubble  , Dan's deals is not the place for it , especially it's not a chasidish site at all #secular ,( can you imagine a representative from tampa will need to come in here and fight about secular education or any other stupidity about how bad chasidim are in general ? Come on you are smarter then that ..)
if you can tell me one chasidish person that did a life/move change out of a public forum I have few bridges to sell you..

And to last I have nothing with this development ,I am just a person that likes to research new yeshivem and yes I do have investments in other new yeshivem but not affiliated in any way with any new yishev or development ! Yes I have been already at this new Tampa yishev, just because i happened to be in the area anyway i checked it out.

Thousands of chasidim have moved to new yeshivem in the last 6 years and I can assure you no one did their move because Dan's deals or any other public forum, enough said
You got so many stuff wrong in one post that I stopped counting mid way!
So first of all what do you think secular education is?
Because every Chasidisha Yeshiva in BP have English subjects I am not sure where you come from!
And I am not sure how you are comparing Tampa to any other yishev or place in NY/NJ that chasidim moved, how are you comparing car rides of 30-2hrs from where they used to live to 4-5 hr flight Journey to a different state! 
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Positive energy on April 16, 2021, 12:36:26 AM
You got so many stuff wrong in one post that I stopped counting mid way!
So first of all what do you think secular education is?
Because every Chasidisha Yeshiva in BP have English subjects I am not sure where you come from!
And I am not sure how you are comparing Tampa to any other yishev or place in NY/NJ that chasidim moved, how are you comparing car rides of 30-2hrs from where they used to live to 4-5 hr flight Journey to a different state!
Well they will have the same English school like any mainstream chasidish moised has in NY don't worry , and because this yishev is even more unique and much more challenging,media marketing won't do anything,I know they have to date over a 1000 family's reached out ...its just a huge move and not everyone wants to be a נחשון from the first 10 families,there isn't yet 10 families but the houses of the new development isn't ready yet, hopefully by the new school year after summer it should be there about 50 families
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Square on April 16, 2021, 01:59:48 AM
And to burst your final bubble  , Dan's deals is not the place for it , especially it's not a chasidish site at all #secular ,( can you imagine a representative from tampa will need to come in here and fight about secular education or any other stupidity about how bad chasidim are in general ? Come on you are smarter then that ..)
if you can tell me one chasidish person that did a life/move change out of a public forum I have few bridges to sell you..

And to last I have nothing with this development ,I am just a person that likes to research new yeshivem and yes I do have investments in other new yeshivem but not affiliated in any way with any new yishev or development ! Yes I have been already at this new Tampa yishev, just because i happened to be in the area anyway i checked it out.

Thousands of chasidim have moved to new yeshivem in the last 6 years and I can assure you no one did their move because Dan's deals or any other public forum, enough said
און אויף אייוועלט איז יא דא איינער וואס ענטפערט נארמאל ווען איינער וויל וויסן וועגן די ישוב...
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Something Fishy on April 16, 2021, 08:36:54 AM
און אויף אייוועלט איז יא דא איינער וואס ענטפערט נארמאל ווען איינער וויל וויסן וועגן די ישוב...

Interesting, link?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Dan on April 16, 2021, 09:19:15 AM
און אויף אייוועלט איז יא דא איינער וואס ענטפערט נארמאל ווען איינער וויל וויסן וועגן די ישוב...
Plot twist. It's the same person, but ivelt isn't #secular so he doesn't have to respond as if he's talking to a
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Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Square on April 16, 2021, 09:29:54 AM
Interesting, link?
I was sarcastic, it's the same garbage.

http://www.ivelt.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=98&t=43087
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Something Fishy on April 16, 2021, 09:35:16 AM
I was sarcastic, it's the same garbage.

http://www.ivelt.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=98&t=43087

Uch why do they do that

I'll read that thread in a bit.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: UKinNYS on April 16, 2021, 01:03:05 PM
Uch why do they do that
I'll read that thread in a bit.

Pls share the highlights for ddf's
http://www.ivelt.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=98
so much material here not easy to find the useful info
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Moishebatchy on April 17, 2021, 01:55:13 PM
Ummmmm... am I imagining things, or is Mr. @Positive energy spreading pretty much everything OTHER than positive energy here?  ???
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Moishebatchy on April 17, 2021, 01:55:58 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210416/fc9a78fb5565006500a0b30ef7b2b03a.jpg)

Thanks for the shoutout. ;)
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Yehuda57 on April 19, 2021, 02:41:16 PM
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Something Fishy on April 19, 2021, 02:45:26 PM
6-12' between houses? Whelp.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: yelped on April 19, 2021, 02:46:40 PM
Lol. Aren't they just buying houses in a development? It's not like it reserved for them.

Why do they build the foundation all the way up to the second floor? Hurricane/Flooding?
6-12' between houses? Whelp.
Same reaction. In Lakewood they need a variance to do that, and the issue is that it's always granted. What's the story here?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: AsherO on April 19, 2021, 02:47:20 PM
6-12' between houses? Whelp.

They’re bringing Brooklyn to Tampa. I think the Dr Horton lots might be wider, but I’m not sure.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: AsherO on April 19, 2021, 02:49:05 PM
Lol. Aren't they just buying houses in a development? It's not like it reserved for them.

Not to sound racist (against Jews), but if they sell quickly enough that a few non-Jews get flooded with hundreds of Jewish neighbors, they’re going to be selling very quickly...
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Dan on April 19, 2021, 02:53:25 PM
They’re bringing Brooklyn to Tampa.
פלארידא איז נישט אנדערש
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on April 19, 2021, 02:59:49 PM
6-12' between houses? Whelp.

That's standard down here in many developments built in the last 20 years or so.

Why do they build the foundation all the way up to the second floor? Hurricane/Flooding?

No wood housing. Concrete/cinder block all the way up. Hurricane and insulation purposes, I believe.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: TimT on April 19, 2021, 03:22:55 PM
6-12' between houses? Whelp.
How else are you going to know what the neighbor is making for supper ? :)
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: EliJelly on April 19, 2021, 03:36:29 PM
How else are you going to know what the neighbor is making for supper ? :)
Although you can technically smell your neighbor's all year round grill even from a further distance, you don't want to scream your voice out when they forget that they're still milchig.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: AsherO on April 19, 2021, 03:40:31 PM
פלארידא איז נישט אנדערש

Was gonna say מאך דא בארא פארק...
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Dan on April 19, 2021, 03:42:03 PM
Was gonna say מאך דא בארא פארק...
That works too :D
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: skyguy918 on April 19, 2021, 03:46:31 PM
That's standard down here in many developments built in the last 20 years or so.

No wood housing. Concrete/cinder block all the way up. Hurricane and insulation purposes, I believe.
It's not all the way up. It's likely concrete foundation, with block walls for the first floor, then standard wood framing/trusses for roof system and second floor. Concrete/cinder block is worse for insulation, since there's no cavity to fill. There are ways to build to hurricane standards with standard wood framing using a lot of specially engineered hardware, but you'll still likely get hit with higher insurance premiums since that's not standard.

What I found odd is #1, the first bunch of houses they drive by are being built very differently than the rest. Zip system sheathing showing vs regular OSB with house wrap on the rest. #2, the house wrap says Lennar, which is a competing business to Horton.

ETA: Don't speak yiddish, but sounds like there are 2 builders in the development, which explains the Lennar/Horton thing, and the 2 building methods. Horton looks much more advanced.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on April 19, 2021, 04:00:08 PM
It's not all the way up. It's likely concrete foundation, with block walls for the first floor, then standard wood framing/trusses for roof system and second floor. Concrete/cinder block is worse for insulation, since there's no cavity to fill. There are ways to build to hurricane standards with standard wood framing using a lot of specially engineered hardware, but you'll still likely get hit with higher insurance premiums since that's not standard.

I don't know much about building, but the developments I've watched go up over the last 8 years in South FL all had block all the way to the roof.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: skyguy918 on April 19, 2021, 04:26:43 PM
I don't know much about building, but the developments I've watched go up over the last 8 years in South FL all had block all the way to the roof.
Just look at the video. The 2 story at ~:40 (Horton) looks like it's probably block walls all the way up, but the last 5 seconds or so, which is Lennar, clearly show houses that are wood framed second floors.

ETA: It's also possible that wood is used a little more in Tampa than it is in Miami.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on April 19, 2021, 05:17:43 PM
ETA: It's also possible that wood is used a little more in Tampa than it is in Miami.

Very likely. I saw wood up in Jacksonville. Zoning in the tri-county tends to be stricter than other places. It wouldn't surprise me if the standards in Tampa were more builder-specific.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Mordyk on April 19, 2021, 08:31:09 PM
I watched them build the same in encore orlando.  Flat foundation, first floor blocks, the rest is wood.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: TBD on April 28, 2021, 08:20:37 PM
https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2021/04/27/expansion-of-florida-private-school-vouchers-program-heads-to-desantis/
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Positive energy on May 05, 2021, 02:44:06 AM
Another one moved in today from boro park
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Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: jaywhy on May 05, 2021, 05:40:12 AM
Very likely. I saw wood up in Jacksonville. Zoning in the tri-county tends to be stricter than other places. It wouldn't surprise me if the standards in Tampa were more builder-specific.
Very true. Dade county building code is the strictest in the country. PBC and broward don’t have the same code but all the reputable builders and suppliers build to MDC code in PBC and Broward anyways.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: AsherO on May 05, 2021, 09:05:14 AM
Very true. Dade county building code is the strictest in the country. PBC and broward don’t have the same code but all the reputable builders and suppliers build to MDC code in PBC and Broward anyways.

Does stricter building code translate into houses that are built better, or not necessarily?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on May 05, 2021, 09:13:53 AM
Does stricter building code translate into houses that are built better, or not necessarily?

Define better.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: yelped on May 05, 2021, 10:26:24 AM
Define better.
Last longer without issues such as leaking, insulated better, etc.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on May 05, 2021, 11:25:51 AM
Last longer without issues such as leaking, insulated better, etc.

Longevity is a non-starter, simply because everything here is newer than most of the rest of the country. The entire state of FL's population only hit 2 million in the 1940's, so there aren't a lot of old houses. I'm also pretty sure that the bulk of South FL's building codes were updated within the last 20-30 years to account for new data on hurricanes.

The other stuff is also hard to compare, because the weather the houses here deal with is very different than other places. Between the extreme heat, humidity, and heavy rains/wind, it's a pretty unique situation. All in all, the houses hold up very well.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: whacked1 on May 05, 2021, 11:34:06 AM
Another one moved in today from boro park
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Awesome! How many houses are currently built?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: jaywhy on May 05, 2021, 06:41:49 PM
Does stricter building code translate into houses that are built better, or not necessarily?
For the most part, yes.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: yelped on May 05, 2021, 06:44:48 PM
For the most part, yes.
Can we hear details (for curiosities sake).
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Positive energy on May 05, 2021, 08:11:50 PM
Awesome! How many houses are currently built?
As far I understand the first dozen of families moved in to current houses on the market, the new development is close by where they move now and that should be done somewhere soon they said
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: whacked1 on May 05, 2021, 08:28:46 PM
As far I understand the first dozen of families moved in to current houses on the market, the new development is close by where they move now and that should be done somewhere soon they said
Are they renting there ?
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: jaywhy on May 06, 2021, 04:50:08 AM
Can we hear details (for curiosities sake).
Sure. MDC changed their code in 1994 after Hurricane Andrew. Most the of the code is developed to protect the outer envelope from wind and water intrusion. What happened during Andrew is that the windows failed and the extreme alternating pressure cycles of the wind caused the roof and then the rest of the house to fail catastrophically.

A few examples,
All new construction is done with impact glass windows, which is tested by shooting large and small missiles at it and then putting it  through 9000 alternating pressure cycles simulating 180+ MPH winds. Then the window and enclosure is tested for water intrusion, if it can resist intrusion after this, it passes code.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/infrastructure/news/a28084/impact-testing-windows-florida/ (https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/infrastructure/news/a28084/impact-testing-windows-florida/)

When the windows are installed, they are put in with 30-50 4 inch tapcons per window, drilled deep into the concrete block enclosure.

For the walls, I believe wood frame is allowed but the vast majority of homeowners prefer CBS. You only need to look at the before and after photos of the recent big hurricanes to hit FL (michael and Irma) to know why. The wood frame houses get wiped out while CBS ones lose the roof at worst.

The roof needs to be secured to the frame with a combination of nail plates, metal strap tie down, and anchors. Every home inspection in S FL comes with a wind mitigation report that covers the quality of the above methods and most insurance companies will not write policies without it, or if they will, they charge 3-4x the price.

When installing a outdoor patio or similar structure, it is all constructed to resist 180MPH winds using a combination of methods such are securing it to the concrete using tapcons, driving the posts in using concrete pilings etc...

Because of the quality and care that is put into constructing the outer envelope of the house, the house naturally is built to a better standard that in other areas in the country.

The grid and water supply is also much more resilient than other areas due to the hurricanes. Most power lines are buried, the ones that are not are built using thick steel reinforced concrete driven deep into the ground etc....
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: Lurker on May 06, 2021, 09:10:47 AM


Great write-up. IME (which is limited), the biggest challenge to a house's longevity in FL is the ground it's built on. Lots of inferior surfaces (sand, etc.) get washed away over time and need to be reinforced.
Title: Re: New Chassidish Community Being Planned in Tampa
Post by: yelped on May 06, 2021, 10:00:20 AM
Thanks @jaywhy for the detailed explanation!