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Title: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Kobe Bryant on August 13, 2020, 11:00:20 AM
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Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Proisrael on August 13, 2020, 11:06:03 AM
This is amazing!!! May we soon see EK flying to Israel!!

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/285233
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Kobe Bryant on August 13, 2020, 11:12:23 AM
This is amazing!!! May we soon see EK flying to Israel!!

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/285233
TLV-DXB/AUH  :)
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on August 13, 2020, 11:37:46 AM
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on August 13, 2020, 11:38:34 AM
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Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Lurker on August 13, 2020, 12:22:34 PM
Coincidence that this gets announced right after Biden announces his VP pick? How long were they sitting on this agreement?
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Kobe Bryant on August 13, 2020, 12:29:21 PM
Coincidence that this gets announced right after Biden announces his VP pick? How long were they sitting on this agreement?
Since 1948
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: zh cohen on August 13, 2020, 01:17:31 PM
How long were they sitting on this agreement?

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The White House officials who spoke with Reuters said that agreement was the result of lengthy discussions between Israel and the United Arab Emirates, adding that the talks had been accelerated recently.
But the deal, which will be dubbed the Abraham Accords, was only finally sealed on Thursday, in a phone call between President Trump, Prime Minister Netanyahu, and Sheikh Mohammed Bin Zayed, crown prince of Abu Dhabi and President of the UAE.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 13, 2020, 01:20:41 PM
Wonder what Trump promised to get this? He is in panic mode trying to buy ever vote he can for this election.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Dan on August 13, 2020, 01:29:17 PM
Wonder what Trump promised to get this? He is in panic mode trying to buy ever vote he can for this election.
Or more likely, Israel and the UAE want to help Trump.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 13, 2020, 01:31:35 PM
Or more likely, Israel and the UAE want to help Trump.
True but don't you think they both know they can extract anything from Trump at this point if they can show it will help him?
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: zh cohen on August 13, 2020, 01:40:58 PM
Or more likely, Israel and the UAE want to help Trump.

Bibi probably gets most of the credit for getting the UEA to sign on, but I doubt they would have gone for it if not for Trump showing a willingness to recognize Israel's annexation.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: ellemeno on August 13, 2020, 01:44:51 PM
If everything in politics is personal trade-ins than Trump drummed up the annexation talk leading into the Israeli election(s) in exchange for a peace deal to use in the US election.
In any case Trump deserves a HUGE amount of credit for creating a bargaining chip and than using it to get a deal.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: itunes on August 13, 2020, 02:11:04 PM
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Wonder what Trump promised to get this? He is in panic mode trying to buy ever vote he can for this election.
And next he will be pompously lecturing to us how he gives credit when it is due.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 13, 2020, 02:16:39 PM
And next he will be pompously lecturing to us how he gives credit when it is due.
I know you love that BS but if he actually did something good he will get credit. His past actions say that is not the case. Anyone remember NK?  ::)
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: itunes on August 13, 2020, 02:21:48 PM
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Anyone remember NK?
You make my point. You can call him out when he bungles (NK) and still give him credit when he does something which looks promising (Israel & UAE).
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 13, 2020, 02:24:15 PM
You make my point. You can call him out when he bungles (NK) and still give him credit when he does something which looks promising (Israel & UAE).
NK is a known at this point. This deal is an unknown so far. Let the details come out and then call me out if I don't give him credit if he deserves it. 
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: itunes on August 13, 2020, 02:31:16 PM
This sounds like someone looking to be fair and objective:
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NK is a known at this point. This deal is an unknown so far.
This does not:
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Wonder what Trump promised to get this? He is in panic mode trying to buy ever vote he can for this election.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: aygart on August 13, 2020, 03:02:02 PM
Coincidence that this gets announced right after Biden announces his VP pick? How long were they sitting on this agreement?


Since 2002! Now Biden can take credit because it was under the Obama.... Wait one second, who was president then?




(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfUXJq9WoAEfFPC?format=png&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Jellybelly on August 13, 2020, 03:05:11 PM
Or more likely, Israel and the UAE want to help Trump.
Bibi also could use some help now and wouldnt mind something to change the subject
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: stooges44 on August 13, 2020, 03:06:32 PM
Bibi also could use some help now and wouldnt mind something to change the subject

So can Trump, gee what a
Coincidence
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 13, 2020, 03:08:57 PM
This sounds like someone looking to be fair and objective: This does not:
That's is my thought at this point. When the facts come out then we will see if he gets credit or not.

Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 13, 2020, 03:11:20 PM

Since 2002! Now Biden can take credit because it was under the Obama.... Wait one second, who was president then?

A good wine takes time.  :)
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Jellybelly on August 13, 2020, 04:30:40 PM
Now theyre saying Oman and Bahrain will follow.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Dan on August 13, 2020, 04:48:01 PM
Now theyre saying Oman and Bahrain will follow.

KSA please!
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: zh cohen on August 13, 2020, 05:28:29 PM

Since 2002! Now Biden can take credit because it was under the Obama.... Wait one second, who was president then?




(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfUXJq9WoAEfFPC?format=png&name=900x900)

Obama/Biden certainly deserve some credit for this. The Iran deal made many of these countries focus on the threat of a nuclear Iran, which drove them closer to Israel.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Kobe Bryant on August 13, 2020, 07:26:12 PM
KSA please!
It won't be long.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Kobe Bryant on August 13, 2020, 07:26:36 PM
Obama/Biden certainly deserve some credit for this. The Iran deal made many of these countries focus on the threat of a nuclear Iran, which drove them closer to Israel.
100%
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: tov hashem on August 13, 2020, 08:58:39 PM
NK is a known at this point. This deal is an unknown so far. Let the details come out and then call me out if I don't give him credit if he deserves it.
remind me please when you gave credit for TRUMP?
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 13, 2020, 09:04:10 PM
remind me please when you gave credit for TRUMP?
It won't mater as there will be 100 more right behind you with the same BS. Now if someone wants to put their money where their mouth is I will link to the posts.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: tov hashem on August 13, 2020, 09:35:40 PM
It won't mater as there will be 100 more right behind you with the same BS. Now if someone wants to put their money where their mouth is I will link to the posts.
BS. I dont believe there is any.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 13, 2020, 09:52:43 PM
BS. I dont believe there is any.
You and all the other Kool-Aid drinkers. You put $100 and I will put up $500.
This known as PUOSU!!!  :)
ETA: I am waiting.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: tov hashem on August 13, 2020, 10:03:21 PM


Quote from: ExGingi on July 07, 2020, 11:57:38 PM (https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=117738.msg2290229#msg2290229)
The majority of this country drinks Kool-aid, it's just different flavors at different times.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Jellybelly on August 13, 2020, 10:11:01 PM

Quote from: ExGingi on July 07, 2020, 11:57:38 PM (https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=117738.msg2290229#msg2290229)
The majority of this country drinks Kool-aid, it's just different flavors at different times.
You can add to that quote, that most are in denial
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 13, 2020, 10:20:49 PM
You can add to that quote, that most are in denial
...and especially those that get their information from one source.  ;)
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: ah giten on August 13, 2020, 10:21:11 PM
And here you have another thread hijacked.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 13, 2020, 10:23:59 PM
I am amazed how some don't know the rules. Here they are for those that don't know.  :)

This board was created for all you guys who want to simply talk about nothing. Please adhere to the following rules for this board:

-Please DO NOT post deals or any other useful information in this board. If anything you are about to say is useful, post it in the General Discussion or any other board it may fit into.

-Posts to this board WILL NOT count towards your total forum posts. There is therefore no reason to post 4 times just to say one thing, or to simply reply to a post with "I agree". But then again, feel free to do what you want.

-Even on this board there are no advertisements allowed whatsoever.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: ah giten on August 13, 2020, 10:25:41 PM
And here you have another thread hijacked.
BUMP
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 13, 2020, 10:28:09 PM
Maybe we should count how many threads in non-JS forums are hijacked by useless religious discussions? Wait no need to count as it is every one.  :)
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: itunes on August 14, 2020, 09:02:07 AM
NK is a known at this point. This deal is an unknown so far. Let the details come out and then call me out if I don't give him credit if he deserves it.
The President has spoken, the UAE officials have spoken, Bibi has spoken, are you ready to speak @CountValentine?
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 14, 2020, 09:09:29 AM
The President has spoken, the UAE officials have spoken, Bibi has spoken, are you ready to speak @CountValentine?
Based on what has been said so far he gets credit for this deal. With that being said if we find out other things were promised then this can get rescinded. Now is that fair and balanced? @itunes

Will I understand this a major issue on this forum it is not even a blip on the radar for the rest of the country. They are like peace agreement, were they at war?
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: itunes on August 14, 2020, 09:15:45 AM

Will I understand this a major issue on this forum it is not even a blip on the radar for the rest of the country. They are like peace agreement, were they at war?
Think this belongs in a different thread ;) not everything is politics. Thank you for clearing that up. Sorry for squeezing you.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 14, 2020, 09:20:54 AM
Think this belongs in a different thread ;) not everything is politics. Thank you for clearing that up. Sorry for squeezing you.
Wait, you didn't answer my simple question.
Based on what has been said so far he gets credit for this deal. With that being said if we find out other things were promised then this can get rescinded. Now is that fair and balanced? @itunes
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Eb228 on August 14, 2020, 10:13:30 AM
Will I understand this a major issue on this forum it is not even a blip on the radar for the rest of the country. They are like peace agreement, were they at war?

Very narrow minded. This is not just a Jewish issue.

The evangelicals are celebrating this.

Any peace wanting Muslim should celebrate this.

So while it may not matter much to you, it's more than a blip on the radar for many Americans, including many that Trump needs to vote for him. [Not saying he did it for the votes like you suggested, just pointing out that he needs the evangelicals vote]
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 14, 2020, 10:32:09 AM
The evangelicals are celebrating this.
They care because it is seen as a victory for Trump. They don't give a rats *ss about the parties evolved.

While this not a Jewish issue alone for you to think that is not the driving force for it being celebrated on a Jewish forum is well ...
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: zh cohen on August 14, 2020, 11:18:50 AM

Will I understand this a major issue on this forum it is not even a blip on the radar for the rest of the country. They are like peace agreement, were they at war?

1- You are right that foreign policy in general is a minor factor in US elections (unless their is a major crisis).

2 - You are also right that this is a bigger deal here than in the country in general because of the connection many members have to Israel.

3 - What I think you are missing is the larger implications of this event.

For 50+ years the foreign policy establishment (on both sides of the aisle) has been working on the assumption that the only way to bring stability to the Middle East is by resolving the "Palestine issue". That has led to demands on Israel to make concessions that endangered her citizens "for the good of the region." Now it is clear that the premise they were all working on is false.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: zh cohen on August 14, 2020, 11:21:49 AM
They care because it is seen as a victory for Trump. They don't give a rats *ss about the parties evolved.

Sure. Evangelicals have been supporting Israel (politically and financially) for decades because of Trump. You really need to get out more.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 14, 2020, 11:23:44 AM
3 - What I think you are missing is the larger implications of this event.

For 50+ years the foreign policy establishment (on both sides of the aisle) has been working on the assumption that the only way to bring stability to the Middle East is by resolving the "Palestine issue". That has led to demands on Israel to make concessions that endangered her citizens "for the good of the region." Now it is clear that the premise they were all working on is false.
I feel this is a big event. I don't feel it will be a major factor in solving the Palestine issue. Trump IMHO has made it worse by showing major favoritism toward one side.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 14, 2020, 11:24:26 AM
Sure. Evangelicals have been supporting Israel (politically and financially) for decades because of Trump. You really need to get out more.
Source?
Didn't they try and start a TV station in Israel to get Jews to convert to or accept Christianity?
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: yungermanchik on August 14, 2020, 11:31:41 AM
Source?
Didn't they try and start a TV station in Israel to get Jews to convert to or accept Christianity?
It seems like the trend began in the early 1980s https://www.nytimes.com/1983/02/06/nyregion/evangelicals-strengthening-bonds-with-jews.html (I didn't actually read the article, because my filter blocks it)
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: zh cohen on August 14, 2020, 11:46:50 AM
Source?

The $127 million dollars that Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein OBM would raise from them annually.
https://www.ifcj.org/

Didn't they try and start a TV station in Israel to get Jews to convert to or accept Christianity?
Yes, unfortunately there are missionary efforts in Israel. Many in Israel do not take money from Eckstein's organization because they are wary of his donor's motivations. Whatever those motivations are, they certainly predate Trump.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: drosenberg88429 on August 14, 2020, 11:56:10 AM
I feel this is a big event. I don't feel it will be a major factor in solving the Palestine issue. Trump IMHO has made it worse by showing major favoritism toward one side.

They've always said that peace was contingent on concessions. The previous administration effectively that the Israelis should unilaterally withdraw to 1967 borders, and concession negotiations should start from there. This was harmful, because it gave the Palestinians and other countries unrealistic expectations, and made talks harder to navigate. This time, Israel went to the other extreme. They said they would not only not unilaterally withdraw from existing borders, but they would annex additional areas. The concession for this peace agreement (which, as pointed out, is largely symbolic) was the abandonment of those plans. (I believe the Israelis were looking for a way to walk away from that too, while saving face. This joke of normalized relationships is a convenient excuse for that.)

The net result of all these things is no real achievements. The Arabs and Obama moved the goalposts one way, so the Israelis moved it the other way. Now they're agreeing to meet in the middle. Everyone saves face. Hoorah.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 14, 2020, 11:57:44 AM
Yes, unfortunately there are missionary efforts in Israel. Many in Israel do not take money from Eckstein's organization because they are wary of his donor's motivations. Whatever those motivations are, they certainly predate Trump.
Their motivations matter or is this a case where we don't care about the motivations as long as the money does some good? Would fit with we don't care about the person only the policies, no?  ;)
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: yungermanchik on August 14, 2020, 12:02:31 PM
Their motivations matter or is this a case where we don't care about the motivations as long as the money does some good? Would fit with we don't care about the person only the policies, no?  ;)
This was all to prove this wrong:
Will I understand this a major issue on this forum it is not even a blip on the radar for the rest of the country.
Not a discussion about whether their support is ultimately a net positive or negative. Just saying that others care.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 14, 2020, 12:06:06 PM
Not a discussion about whether their support is ultimately a net positive or negative. Just saying that others care.
Would a fair question be: Do they really care or just pretend to care?
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: zh cohen on August 14, 2020, 12:06:49 PM
Their motivations matter or is this a case where we don't care about the motivations as long as the money does some good?

Of course the motivations matter which is why those who believe they have bad motivations won't take their money. For the purpose of this conversation what matters is that their motivation is not support of Trump.
Instead of changing the subject, the honest thing for you to do would be to admit that you spoke about a topic on which you were ignorant, and admit that you were wrong.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: zh cohen on August 14, 2020, 12:07:47 PM
Would a fair question be: Do they really care or just pretend to care?

Not in the context of defending your false claims that the support is connected to Trump.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: aygart on August 14, 2020, 12:11:30 PM
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Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 14, 2020, 12:15:01 PM
Of course the motivations matter which is why those who believe they have bad motivations won't take their money. For the purpose of this conversation what matters is that their motivation is not support of Trump.
Instead of changing the subject, the honest thing for you to do would be to admit that you spoke about a topic on which you were ignorant, and admit that you were wrong.
Not in the context of defending your false claims that the support is connected to Trump.
You are to funny. A Jew telling me I am ignorant about Christians. Today really is Friday.  :)
They absolutely support this because they feel it is a win for Trump. Now can they also be supporting it because they support Israel, yes. Would they be screaming their support from mountain tops if it happen in the last administration, H*LL NO!!!
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: yungermanchik on August 14, 2020, 12:18:46 PM
So, do you admit that this statement was incorrect?
Will I understand this a major issue on this forum it is not even a blip on the radar for the rest of the country.
and this one:
They care because it is seen as a victory for Trump. They don't give a rats *ss about the parties evolved.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Lurker on August 14, 2020, 12:21:05 PM
You are to funny. A Jew telling me I am ignorant about Christians. Today really is Friday.  :)
They absolutely support this because they feel it is a win for Trump. Now can they also be supporting it because they support Israel, yes. Would they be screaming their support from mountain tops if it happen in the last administration, H*LL NO!!!

Friday or not, Evangelical support for Israel dates back to when Trump was still dabbling in a start-up football League. It has nothing to do with Trump and everything to do with their belief that a second coming is directly tied to Jews being in Israel.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 14, 2020, 12:25:41 PM
So, do you admit that this statement was incorrect?and this one:
I have learned in this thread and many others you and others don't want an honest discussion.

Members repeated the BS claim that I never give him credit. I give him credit for this and ask if that was fair and balanced. Not one response acknowledging it was fair and balanced.

Once you and others admit your sole purpose is to attack me then I will answer your questions.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: ExGingi on August 14, 2020, 12:28:51 PM
Now theyre saying Oman and Bahrain will follow.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/bahrain-to-also-normalize-ties-says-israeli-media/1941398
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 14, 2020, 12:31:26 PM
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/bahrain-to-also-normalize-ties-says-israeli-media/1941398
Ouch, it seems there is going to bad consequences to this deal.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: ExGingi on August 14, 2020, 12:34:05 PM
KSA please!

When the time is ripe. You don't want a reason to throw tinder into the Sunni Shia already on fire tinder box. Things need to happen gradually. As I've pointed out. None of the GCC countries would make major moves like this without KSA approval.

One of the funniest things I saw was Erdogan threatening to close his embassy to the UAE over this, as if Turkey doesn't have ties with Israel...

This is all about a leadership struggle in the Muslim world. Erdogan is trying to take the Sunni leadership from the KSA after they took it from Egypt after the Egyptians signed a Peace treaty with Israel.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: aygart on August 14, 2020, 12:48:37 PM
Ouch, it seems there is going to bad consequences to this deal.

https://www.newsweek.com/palestinians-accuse-uae-israel-betrayal-bahrain-oman-may-follow-1525130
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: zh cohen on August 14, 2020, 02:11:03 PM
You are to funny. A Jew telling me I am ignorant about Christians.

And the Jew turns out to be right and the Christian wrong.

Today really is Friday.  :)
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: 123-Rosh on August 14, 2020, 02:48:25 PM
Was thinking the same thing about Biden's support for black lives:


Would a fair question be: Do they really care or just pretend to care?
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 14, 2020, 02:52:48 PM
Was thinking the same thing about Biden's support for black lives:
Fair question and I would look at his record on civil rights.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 14, 2020, 02:54:33 PM
And the Jew turns out to be right and the Christian wrong.
...and it turns out they are both wrong and the Catholics are right.
You will be waiting for the rest of mankind!!!  :P
Game, set and match.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: zh cohen on August 14, 2020, 03:19:12 PM
...and it turns out they are both wrong and the Catholics are right.

Ye, I was going to ask you about the fact that you were lumping together Catholics and Evangelicals but even Friday isn't enough for me to bring it up. I'll save it for a fast day.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 14, 2020, 04:23:00 PM
Ye, I was going to ask you about the fact that you were lumping together Catholics and Evangelicals but even Friday isn't enough for me to bring it up. I'll save it for a fast day.
Lumping them together? Have you completely lost your mind!!!
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 14, 2020, 09:03:46 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/editorial-an-agreement-between-israel-and-the-uae-is-welcome-but-its-not-the-ultimate-deal/ar-BB17Yyg7
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Kobe Bryant on August 15, 2020, 10:02:06 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5687274
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Jellybelly on August 16, 2020, 12:00:06 AM
Now theyre saying Oman and Bahrain will follow.
Lebanons president just said in tv tonight, they might be ready for peace with Israel
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: yelped on August 16, 2020, 06:07:09 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/editorial-an-agreement-between-israel-and-the-uae-is-welcome-but-its-not-the-ultimate-deal/ar-BB17Yyg7
You believe this garbage? This article tries to look fair and balanced, but just leaves out 3/4ths of the facts.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: zh cohen on August 16, 2020, 06:33:48 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/editorial-an-agreement-between-israel-and-the-uae-is-welcome-but-its-not-the-ultimate-deal/ar-BB17Yyg7

I'm not sure what the point of this article is. The only problem they seem to have with this deal is that it hasn't singlehandedly solved the Palestinian issue, which it never was meant to do.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: ExGingi on August 16, 2020, 07:53:39 PM
hasn't singlehandedly solved the Palestinian issue, which it never was meant to do.

Reminds me of the Yiddish explanation of what ס.ס.ס.ר (written in the Cyrillic alphabet CCCP) stands for...
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 16, 2020, 07:56:07 PM
I'm not sure what the point of this article is. The only problem they seem to have with this deal is that it hasn't singlehandedly solved the Palestinian issue, which it never was meant to do.
I think the point is it did nothing for the Palestinian issue.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: ExGingi on August 16, 2020, 08:12:55 PM
I think the point is it did nothing for the Palestinian issue.

Well, the argument might be that it does a lot for them, in eliminating false hopes.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: gozalim on August 16, 2020, 08:19:30 PM
Reminds me of the Yiddish explanation of what ס.ס.ס.ר (written in the Cyrillic alphabet CCCP) stands for...
especially when they advertised various fruit on bilboards with that slogan
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: aygart on August 16, 2020, 08:19:45 PM
Well, the argument might be that it does a lot for them, in eliminating false hopes.
Possibly much more than that. It is very clear that this was able to come about due to the beligerence of Iran. Part of that beligerence is their sponsorship of Palestinian terror. This has shown how their aligning with Iran has not advanced but rather hurt their cause in that others not aligned with Iran have no interest in waiting for the pie-in-the-sky deal and will just leave them in the dust isolated with Iran to their own detriment. The big question is if they realized that it is not UAE who betrayed them but they who betrayed the UAE.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 16, 2020, 08:34:40 PM
Well, the argument might be that it does a lot for them, in eliminating false hopes.
That would be like telling you the coming of the Messiah is a false hope.  ;)
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Jellybelly on August 16, 2020, 08:35:55 PM
That would be like telling you the coming of the Messiah is a false hope.  ;)
Sore topic on this forum 😜
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: zh cohen on August 16, 2020, 08:59:37 PM
I think the point is it did nothing for the Palestinian issue.

I think that is not true but it's irrelevant because that was not the goal of this agreement. Why are they bringing up the Palestinians in a discussion regarding an Israel-UAE deal?
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 16, 2020, 09:17:28 PM
Why are they bringing up the Palestinians in a discussion regarding an Israel-UAE deal?
Isn't solving the Israel/Palestine issue that will bring peace to the region?
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 16, 2020, 09:18:17 PM
Sore topic on this forum 😜
Been trying to figure out a gentle way to break it to everyone.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: zh cohen on August 16, 2020, 11:39:03 PM
Isn't solving the Israel/Palestine issue that will bring peace to the region?

No, but that's the delusion that the foreign policy establishment has been working under for 50 years. Bringing peace to the region will solve the Israel/Palestine issue.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: zh cohen on August 16, 2020, 11:41:16 PM
Reminds me of the Yiddish explanation of what ס.ס.ס.ר (written in the Cyrillic alphabet CCCP) stands for...

Please share
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: yelped on August 17, 2020, 12:08:01 AM
Isn't solving the Israel/Palestine issue that will bring peace to the region?
Nope. Having all the Arab countries make peace with Israel will push the process forward. The second would be the Europeans stopping to fund the Palestinian "leaders" lavish lifestyles while they keep their people in poverty and send their teenagers to kill women and children.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 17, 2020, 07:10:14 AM
No, but that's the delusion that the foreign policy establishment has been working under for 50 years. Bringing peace to the region will solve the Israel/Palestine issue.
When the embassy was moved many here said it would help solve this issue. The same thing is being said now. The embassy issue did not help solve the issue. We will see if this helps solve the issue. As an outsider looking in a wonder who really is being delusional.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Jellybelly on August 17, 2020, 08:16:06 AM
When the embassy was moved many here said it would help solve this issue. The same thing is being said now. The embassy issue did not help solve the issue. We will see if this helps solve the issue. As an outsider looking in a wonder who really is being delusional.
When they moved the embassy they actually said it would cause war, and nothing happened.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 17, 2020, 08:22:25 AM
When they moved the embassy they actually said it would cause war, and nothing happened.
I am talking about members here.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Jellybelly on August 17, 2020, 08:39:18 AM
Ok, and its still definitely possible that it will solve the Palestinian issue. Once Israel makes peace with Arab nations in the region, the Palestinians will see the world ignoring them and that there is no point in holding out for delusional demands. For 70 years they tried peace talks  and didnt get anywhere, Im not sure why this way needs to produce instant results.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Lurker on August 17, 2020, 08:43:19 AM
When the embassy was moved many here said it would help solve this issue. The same thing is being said now. The embassy issue did not help solve the issue. We will see if this helps solve the issue. As an outsider looking in a wonder who really is being delusional.

First, I highly doubt anyone said that the act of moving the embassy to Jerusalem was going to cause immediate peace in the region. Second, you can make the argument that the US moving their embassy sent a clear message that  Israel was done having its arm twisted in pursuit of unrealistic agreements. You can say that this normalization is a continuation of that theme, where countries are realizing that they need to move on with the business of diplomatic relations with a regional power, and not let the Palestinian dispute interfere with their own countries' best interests.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 17, 2020, 08:43:37 AM
Ok, and its still definitely possible that it will solve the Palestinian issue. Once Israel makes peace with Arab nations in the region, the Palestinians will see the world ignoring them and that there is no point in holding out for delusional demands. For 70 years they tried peace talks  and didnt get anywhere, Im not sure why this way needs to produce instant results.
Not saying instant results, time will tell. The embassy move did nothing to help the peace process so far.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: zh cohen on August 17, 2020, 08:56:26 AM
The embassy move did nothing to help the peace process so far.

Link to where someone said that it would?
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: ExGingi on August 17, 2020, 09:02:08 AM
Please share

ס'איז ניט געווען, ס'איז ניטא, ס'וועט ניט זיין, רעד זיך נישט איין
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: ExGingi on August 17, 2020, 09:04:42 AM
Not saying instant results, time will tell. The embassy move did nothing to help the peace process so far.

That's almost like saying that teaching a child the ABC does nothing to help him learn literature. It's a required step, but things just take time.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: aygart on August 17, 2020, 09:10:19 AM
When the embassy was moved many here said it can help solve this issue. The same thing is being said now. The embassy issue did not help solve the issue as of now. We will see if this helps solve the issue. As an outsider looking in a wonder who really is being delusional.

FTFY


There will be no real way of tracing a future peace agreement back to either the embassy move or the agreement with other states anyhow. It will remain speculation.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 17, 2020, 09:15:30 AM
Link to where someone said that it would?
...and then what. You will just ignore it. So why waste my time. Lets not pretend you are objective on this.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: aygart on August 17, 2020, 09:24:17 AM
The entire premise that a peace agreement with a few more potentially on the horizon can do anything but help bring peace to the region sounds somewhat ridiculous. This is not like Chambelain whose "peace agreement" included new aggressions. True it does not solve or even address all issues, but how can a fairly simple peace agreement not be a step in the right direction?
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Jellybelly on August 17, 2020, 09:34:28 AM
@CountValentine when it comes to politics you seem to be on the wrong side of  basically every issue. Youre never gonna convince me that your not a troll. 😜
Can I guess which side your on in Belarus?
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 17, 2020, 09:38:49 AM
@CountValentine when it comes to politics you seem to be on the wrong side of  basically every issue. Youre never gonna convince me that your not a troll. 😜
Can I guess which side your on in Belarus?
Wrong side of every political issue? Now here we go with another lie that the sheep will all jump on.
I am on the side what is best for the US and they come first!!!. To bad you can't say the same.
Belarus?
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Jellybelly on August 17, 2020, 09:42:53 AM
Wrong side of every political issue? Now here we go with another lie that the sheep will all jump on.
I am on the side what is best for the US and they come first!!!. To bad you can't say the same.
Belarus?
America first?? Are you a racist??
Belarus, a dictator just stole an election and there are massive protests. Im wondering whos side your on, I have my assumptions but Ill keep them to
Myself
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 17, 2020, 09:46:09 AM
Belarus, a dictator just stole an election and there are massive protests. Im wondering whos side your on, I have my assumptions but Ill keep them to
Myself
If your assumption is "I don't give a rats *ss" then it is correct.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: ExGingi on August 17, 2020, 09:49:26 AM
If your assumption is "I don't give a rats *ss" then it is correct.

So you're an isolationist?
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 17, 2020, 09:54:15 AM
So you're an isolationist?
No and why would you ask that? Because I don't care about everything going on everywhere in the world?
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: zh cohen on August 17, 2020, 10:01:44 AM
...and then what. You will just ignore it. So why waste my time. Lets not pretend you are objective on this.

So you make claims that you won't back up and then I'm the one who's not objective. I can hang up my paintbrushes...
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 17, 2020, 10:15:57 AM
So you make claims that you won't back up and then I'm the one who's not objective. I can hang up my paintbrushes...
You are going to be objective on the Israel/Palestine issue? Thanks for a good laugh.

I have backed up my claims numerous times. Most recently with the KH said Biden was a racist and rapist. I am done with that BS. Unlike many here I don't pull things out of thin air.

When you are on a forum and most members look at certain issues the same way you try and figure out the common denominator. That is pretty hard to do here, NOT!!!  :)
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: zh cohen on August 17, 2020, 11:00:31 AM
You are going to be objective on the Israel/Palestine issue?

No, I'm going to be objective on your claim that people on this forum said that moving the embassy would help solve the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: aygart on August 17, 2020, 11:04:19 AM
No, I'm going to be objective on your claim that people on this forum said that moving the embassy would solve the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.
He said "help"
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 17, 2020, 11:07:46 AM
He said "help"
Now we can have 100 pages that "help" and "solve" mean the same thing.  :)
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: aygart on August 17, 2020, 11:08:50 AM
Now we can have 100 pages that "help" and "solve" mean the same thing.  :)
מכובד
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: zh cohen on August 17, 2020, 11:10:16 AM
He said "help"

Thank you. I fixed my post.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 17, 2020, 11:12:22 AM
Thank you. I fixed my post.
All this shows is you can't be objective and constantly twist things.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: aygart on August 17, 2020, 11:14:51 AM
Thank you. I fixed my post.
I probably said theat it "can" help. My guess is that @ExGingi would have said it as well.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 17, 2020, 11:19:29 AM
I probably said theat it "can" help.
Is that good enough for you? @zh cohen
My guess is that @ExGingi would have said it as well.
Don't expose my ace in the hole. Let @zh cohen keep digging the whole deeper.  :)
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: aygart on August 17, 2020, 11:26:43 AM
Is that good enough for you? @zh cohen Don't expose my ace in the hole. Let @zh cohen keep digging the whole deeper.  :)
Now you are trying to go on about whether can and will are the same thing?
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 17, 2020, 11:32:39 AM
Now you are trying to go on about whether can and will are the same thing?
If it can, will or did help is a fair discussion. That is not the issue.
He dug his hole so let him dig it deeper or just eat crow and be done with it.  :)
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: zh cohen on August 17, 2020, 11:43:43 AM
All this shows is you can't be objective and constantly twist things.

Please explain how this shows that.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 17, 2020, 11:50:08 AM
Please explain how this shows that.
Is that good enough for you? @zh cohen
This was a simple question.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: ExGingi on August 17, 2020, 12:07:25 PM
Attention @mods. Can this thread please be locked. Its attempting at setting a DDF record of how fast and far it can devolve.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 17, 2020, 12:31:04 PM
This is JS, what is the issue?
How about locking your thread in Destination Guides And Trip Planning that is mostly politics?
Love your double standard.  ::)
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Kobe Bryant on August 17, 2020, 01:31:38 PM
Israeli President Rivlin sent a letter to UAEs Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed inviting him to visit Jerusalem.

(https://i.postimg.cc/59KNBT87/IMG-20200817-WA0006.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JtJLmT6Z)
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Dan on August 17, 2020, 01:36:54 PM
Israeli President Rivlin sent a letter to UAEs Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed inviting him to visit Jerusalem.

(https://i.postimg.cc/59KNBT87/IMG-20200817-WA0006.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JtJLmT6Z)

Translation?
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Pad18 on August 17, 2020, 01:47:23 PM
Translation?

One sec it's not clear for you !?!?  :o
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: ExGingi on August 17, 2020, 01:51:12 PM
Translation?

If we can have a higher resolution image would be easier to read.

Interestingly it is hand signed Ruben Riblin (theres no V sound in Arabic, but it is more commonly substituted with the equivalent of an F sound).
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Kobe Bryant on August 17, 2020, 02:51:06 PM
Translation?
"Your Highness,

In these fateful days, leadership is measured by its courage and ability to be groundbreaking and far-sighted.

The agreement formed between our countries, mediated by US President Donald Trump and the US administration, which will be signed soon, Inshallah, under your leadership and in full and mutual coordination with Israeli Prime Minister Mr. Benjamin Netanyahu, is a strategic milestone for new developments in our region.

I am hopeful that this step will help build and strengthen the trust between us and the peoples of the region, a trust that will promote understanding between us all.

Such trust, as demonstrated in the noble and courageous act, will set our region forward and bring economic well-being and provide prosperity and stability to the people of the Middle East as a whole.

I have no doubt that future generations will appreciate the way you, the brave and wise leaders have restarted the discourse on peace, trust, dialogue between peoples and religions, cooperation and a promising future.

I make no secret of my hope that this move will also serve as a beacon, illuminating the road ahead for others.

On behalf of the people of Israel and personally, I take this opportunity to extend an invitation to Your Highness to visit Israel and Jerusalem and be our honored guest.

With great respect and appreciation,"
Interestingly it is hand signed Ruben Riblin (theres no V sound in Arabic, but it is more commonly substituted with the equivalent of an F sound).

(Reuven Rivlin, signed in Arabic)
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 18, 2020, 08:38:36 AM
Wonder what Trump promised to get this? He is in panic mode trying to buy ever vote he can for this election.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/is-trumps-israel-uae-peace-agreement-really-part-of-a-secret-us-arms-deal/ar-BB186j7Q
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Jellybelly on August 18, 2020, 08:50:57 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/is-trumps-israel-uae-peace-agreement-really-part-of-a-secret-us-arms-deal/ar-BB186j7Q
Better than Obamas capitulation to Iran, how many pallets of cash did America give to the UAE?
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 18, 2020, 08:53:24 AM
Better than Obamas capitulation to Iran, how many pallets of cash did America give to the UAE?
...but officer!!!  ::)
I love how you can never defend any of his positions.  :)
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Jellybelly on August 18, 2020, 08:59:09 AM
I didnt/cant  read the article
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 18, 2020, 09:03:29 AM
I didnt/cant  read the article
That's proves my point. You just give Kool-Aid responses not even knowing what was said.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Jellybelly on August 18, 2020, 09:10:13 AM
That's proves my point. You just give Kool-Aid responses not even knowing what was said.
I still didnt read the article but Netanyahu just said the peace deal wasnt tied to any sales of the f35
So your just regurgitating  liberal talking points? How educated 🙄
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 18, 2020, 09:26:43 AM
I still didnt read the article but Netanyahu just said the peace deal wasnt tied to any sales of the f35
...but others in Israel say it was part of the deal. You just swallow hook line and sinker what Bibi says?
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Lurker on August 18, 2020, 09:58:33 AM
I still didnt read the article but Netanyahu just said the peace deal wasnt tied to any sales of the f35
So your just regurgitating  liberal talking points? How educated 🙄

Wouldn't be the first time Netanyahu lied, and it wouldn't be the first peace deal to be tied to arms sales. I don't see the issue. If anyone thinks a country is making peace with Israel without the expectation of benefiting from Israel's tech and defense industries, they are delusional.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: ExGingi on August 18, 2020, 10:04:05 AM
...but others in Israel say it was part of the deal. You just swallow hook line and sinker what Bibi says?

This is a tough one. Two types of liars pitted against each other. But based on my life experience I am more likely to accept Netanyahu's version than the MSM. Especially Israeli MSM who invented the concept of totally fake news.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 18, 2020, 10:06:31 AM
This is a tough one. Two types of liars pitted against each other. But based on my life experience I am more likely to accept Netanyahu's version than the MSM. Especially Israeli MSM who invented the concept of totally fake news.
You don't need accept anything. The facts will come out one way or the other.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Jellybelly on August 18, 2020, 10:11:32 AM
You don't need accept anything. The facts will come out one way or the other.
But it seems like you already came to a conclusion🙄
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 18, 2020, 10:13:17 AM
But it seems like you already came to a conclusion🙄
You mean giving Trump credit? Yes you are correct but it was with a qualifier. When the facts come out we will see if it was just to buy some votes.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: zh cohen on August 18, 2020, 10:19:18 AM
...but others in Israel say it was part of the deal.

Do you mean the Israeli reporter? The article you posted doesn't name anyone else as the source for the claim.

(Disclaimer: I think Trump is wrong to sell advanced weapons to the UAE, and if this deal is what allowed that to happen it's not a good thing. However, from the article posted above it seems like Trump was going to sell the weapons regardless, and the deal was not connected to that sale (except perhaps Bibi making the best of a bad situation.))
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: aygart on August 18, 2020, 10:21:46 AM
Do you mean the Israeli reporter? The article you posted doesn't name anyone else as the source for the claim.

(Disclaimer: I think Trump is wrong to sell advanced weapons to the UAE, and if this deal is what allowed that to happen it's not a good thing. However, from the article posted above it seems like Trump was going to sell the weapons regardless, and the deal was not connected to that sale (except perhaps Bibi making the best of a bad situation.))

Which would reflect VERY poorly on Trump regarding his Israel policies.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 18, 2020, 10:22:55 AM
Do you mean the Israeli reporter? The article you posted doesn't name anyone else as the source for the claim.
This is how it starts. We need to wait and see what else comes out and from who.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Kobe Bryant on August 18, 2020, 01:48:21 PM
Add Sudan.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.jpost.com/israel-news/sudan-foreign-ministry-says-it-looks-forward-to-peace-with-israel-report-639088/amp
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: ExGingi on August 18, 2020, 02:08:37 PM
Add Sudan.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.jpost.com/israel-news/sudan-foreign-ministry-says-it-looks-forward-to-peace-with-israel-report-639088/amp

It will take as much time as it will, but one by one Arab and Muslim countries will "give up" on the "Palestinian issue" as a problem that isn't theirs to be concerned with, and will do what's best for their own interest.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: gozalim on August 18, 2020, 03:11:33 PM
so long as Israel maintains the brains (and perhaps more importantly the b***s) that
The "Palestinian issue" as a problem that isn't theirs to be concerned with, and will do what's best for their own interest.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: yesitsme on August 18, 2020, 03:55:32 PM
@CountValentine where can read your thoughts on Gush Katif how it helped the process?
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: CountValentine on August 18, 2020, 04:02:00 PM
@CountValentine where can read your thoughts on Gush Katif how it helped the process?
Never commented on it let alone said it helped the process.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: tavster on August 23, 2020, 10:39:56 AM
Bloomberg : 'POMPEO TO TRAVEL TO ISRAEL, SUDAN, BAHRAIN, UAE FROM AUG 23-28'
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Kobe Bryant on August 24, 2020, 01:53:41 PM
United Arab Emirates (UAE) has cancelled a meeting with Israel and the United States over PM Netanyahu's statements against the an F-35 deal.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-august-24-2020/
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Kobe Bryant on August 31, 2020, 09:04:07 AM
Historic public meeting: Israeli National security adviser Meir Ben Shabbat meets UAE's @AnwarGargash

Also in the meeting, Trump adviser Kushner and NSC.

(https://i.postimg.cc/wj36745K/IMG-20200831-WA0012.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/tsQ0c5mD)
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: justaregularguy on August 31, 2020, 10:01:27 AM
Historic public meeting: Israeli National security adviser Meir Ben Shabbat meets UAE's @AnwarGargash

Also in the meeting, Trump adviser Kushner and NSC.

(https://i.postimg.cc/wj36745K/IMG-20200831-WA0012.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/tsQ0c5mD)
i dont know, id be freaked out to be sitting there.(shudders) I just live in my stereotypical bubble where the only arabs i see are in isreal and they look at you like they really hate you.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Dan on August 31, 2020, 10:16:32 AM
i dont know, id be freaked out to be sitting there.(shudders) I just live in my stereotypical bubble where the only arabs i see are in isreal and they look at you like they really hate you.
It's not like that outside of Israel.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Kobe Bryant on August 31, 2020, 10:39:32 AM
i dont know, id be freaked out to be sitting there.(shudders) I just live in my stereotypical bubble where the only arabs i see are in isreal and they look at you like they really hate you.
Understandable when you live in Israel and your prism is that of terrorism and hatred from the arab neighbors, but outside of Israel (and in Israel as well), I've had many very pleasant interactions with Islamic arabs.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: ExGingi on August 31, 2020, 10:49:33 AM
It's not like that outside of Israel.
Depends where. Egypt and Jordan aren't very safe for Jews who are easily visible as such.

The major difference between this (and the coming agreements with other Gulf nations) and the one's forged by the Israeli left (I know Begin was Likud, but he was literally forced into it by major left-wing forces) with Egypt and Jordan was that in this case there isn't widespread popular resentment and hatred towards Jews and the State of Israel and the agreement just removes legal barriers and formalizes FRIENDLY cooperation that was previously in place.

In the case of Egypt and Jordan there is widespread popular hatred and opposition to any peace and cooperation with Jews or the State of Israel. The agreements formalized what was in place prior to that, security cooperation and some trade. The population in Egypt and Jordan (and to a lesser extent in Morrocco) doesn't like the peaceful and open relations with Jews and with the State of Israel.

ETA:

Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: ExGingi on August 31, 2020, 11:02:27 AM
And one of the top Israeli delegates speaking in Arabic at the ceremony upon arrival.

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Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Kobe Bryant on September 04, 2020, 10:55:24 AM
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: BarryLincoln on September 04, 2020, 12:24:56 PM
Next in line... Kosovo and Serbia

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-economic-serbia-kosovo-white-house
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on September 04, 2020, 02:43:05 PM
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Post by: shapsam on September 04, 2020, 04:49:34 PM
Boom!
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on September 04, 2020, 06:37:29 PM
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on September 04, 2020, 06:41:48 PM
Next in line... Kosovo and Serbia

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-economic-serbia-kosovo-white-house

(https://i.postimg.cc/W4PRdMkk/IMG-20200904-WA0028.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on September 08, 2020, 01:54:14 PM
US officials: Israel, UAE to sign historic normalization deal on September 15 at White House.
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Post by: justaregularguy on September 08, 2020, 05:46:32 PM
US officials: Israel, UAE to sign historic normalization deal on September 15 at White House.
will isreal make sure not to insult uae this time around?v :-X
F-16 orders will wait..
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on September 08, 2020, 06:57:57 PM
will isreal make sure not to insult uae this time around?v :-X
F-16 orders will wait..
Is what real? Lol
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Post by: Lurker on September 08, 2020, 07:05:05 PM
Is what real? Lol

Will.
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Post by: mijo on September 09, 2020, 02:30:49 PM
Seems like there will be more hotels in Abu Dhabi than in most other cities according to the attached notice

(https://i.postimg.cc/YSYL7ZXZ/Whats-App-Image-2020-09-09-at-21-27-39.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/p9VLYGMJ)
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Post by: moko on September 09, 2020, 03:11:10 PM
Seems like there will be more hotels in Abu Dhabi than in most other cities according to the attached notice

(https://i.postimg.cc/YSYL7ZXZ/Whats-App-Image-2020-09-09-at-21-27-39.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/p9VLYGMJ)
repost
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Post by: BarryLincoln on September 09, 2020, 04:42:27 PM
Saudi Arabia and Bahrain have agreed to open it's airspace to all flights, meaning Israeli companies and others ill be able to fly directly from Israel to Asia and Australia significantly shortening the flight time)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.jpost.com/breaking-news/kushner-saudi-arabia-bahrain-to-allow-israeli-flights-to-pass-over-their-territory-641704/amp
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Post by: tavster on September 09, 2020, 04:51:29 PM
Saudi Arabia and Bahrain have agreed to open it's airspace to all flights, meaning Israeli companies and others ill be able to fly directly from Israel to Asia and Australia significantly shortening the flight time)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.jpost.com/breaking-news/kushner-saudi-arabia-bahrain-to-allow-israeli-flights-to-pass-over-their-territory-641704/amp
WOW
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Post by: yaakov35 on September 09, 2020, 04:53:11 PM
Saudi Arabia and Bahrain have agreed to open it's airspace to all flights, meaning Israeli companies and others ill be able to fly directly from Israel to Asia and Australia significantly shortening the flight time)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.jpost.com/breaking-news/kushner-saudi-arabia-bahrain-to-allow-israeli-flights-to-pass-over-their-territory-641704/amp
Yep
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Post by: tavster on September 09, 2020, 04:58:32 PM
Yep
Man.. how many hours I have wasted flying around KSA for now reasons  ;)
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Post by: yaakov35 on September 09, 2020, 05:00:00 PM
Man.. how many hours I have wasted flying around KSA for now reasons  ;)
Now you can tell you kids I remember when this flight took twice as long.... and it really did!.
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Post by: tavster on September 09, 2020, 05:02:30 PM
Now you can tell you kids I remember when this flight took twice as long.... and it really did!.
Lol
I think we should rename this thread to Israel and KSA are heading towards peace  ;)
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Post by: justaregularguy on September 09, 2020, 08:46:00 PM
Seems like there will be more hotels in Abu Dhabi than in most other cities according to the attached notice

(https://i.postimg.cc/YSYL7ZXZ/Whats-App-Image-2020-09-09-at-21-27-39.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/p9VLYGMJ)
wow wow wow. isnt this astonishing ? they are ordering ALL hotels to have a designated area for kosher, and advising they offer kosher on the menus?? which country in the world is ordering their hotels to have special sections for kosher??
this is very interesting!
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Post by: Dan on September 09, 2020, 08:51:41 PM
Color me skeptical.
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Post by: Therebbesbocher on September 09, 2020, 09:14:23 PM
Seems like there will be more hotels in Abu Dhabi than in most other cities according to the attached notice

(https://i.postimg.cc/YSYL7ZXZ/Whats-App-Image-2020-09-09-at-21-27-39.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/p9VLYGMJ)

What are the chances they all use proper hashgochos? If this happens at all
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Post by: Dan on September 09, 2020, 09:16:02 PM
It's not going to happen like that. Honestly surprised at everyone.
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on September 09, 2020, 10:20:46 PM
It's not going to happen like that. Honestly surprised at everyone.
I will be content with a Kosher restaurant by Chabad.
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Post by: mijo on September 10, 2020, 01:44:43 AM
It's not going to happen like that. Honestly surprised at everyone.
Agree, it's the new "requirement" but I doubt the ministry understands the requirements.  It's as if the hotels were told to have salad on the menu and kids meals.  Once the hotels gather the information and kosher rules they will have some energy bars and kosher supermarket items.  Maybe a few of the high-end or conference venues will have a contract with a caterer (there is one but not large scale) for deliveries.  Or perhaps a few frozen items like in the BA lounges in LHR?
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Post by: moko on September 10, 2020, 06:08:45 AM
It's posturing....
In then end, perhaps they'll have some kosher options which will be sourced through a local kosher caterer.
There are a dozen hotels in BOS that have a "kosher menu" with 48 hrs advance notice which is just meals ordered from a local caterer.
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Post by: tavster on September 11, 2020, 10:35:28 AM
?s=19
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Post by: BarryLincoln on September 11, 2020, 11:01:10 AM
?s=19
Prob time to modify the title of the thread to Israel and Gulf Countries...
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on September 11, 2020, 11:34:03 AM
Prob time to modify the title of the thread to Israel and Gulf Countries...
Agreed, only a matter of time (With the exception of Iraq.)
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Post by: ExGingi on September 11, 2020, 12:50:44 PM
Agreed, only a matter of time (With the exception of Iraq.)

The Gulf is known by a certain name due to a certain country that is probably a catalyst in other nations lining up to sign treatise with Israel.

Also the Emir of Kuwait passed on today. I wonder what the future brings there.
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Post by: yaakov35 on September 11, 2020, 01:09:46 PM
?s=19
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on September 11, 2020, 04:52:28 PM
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Post by: 123-Rosh on September 11, 2020, 04:54:54 PM
Proof the world isn't the way it seems:

Conservatives are happy today and leftists are sulking. So who really wants peace?
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Post by: BarryLincoln on September 12, 2020, 08:57:32 PM
Israel and Morocco to establish direct flights...

https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/israel-morocco-to-establish-direct-flights-report-642045?fbclid=IwAR0FGJjp-MAemRtFsDidZlp6X9RnkheNeZvEM_DJTNfnMgXnQkQbbvlJPKE
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on September 12, 2020, 09:03:59 PM
Israel and Morocco to establish direct flights...

https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/israel-morocco-to-establish-direct-flights-report-642045?fbclid=IwAR0FGJjp-MAemRtFsDidZlp6X9RnkheNeZvEM_DJTNfnMgXnQkQbbvlJPKE
It's a domino affect.
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Post by: zh cohen on September 12, 2020, 09:21:07 PM
Israel and Morocco to establish direct flights...

https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/israel-morocco-to-establish-direct-flights-report-642045?fbclid=IwAR0FGJjp-MAemRtFsDidZlp6X9RnkheNeZvEM_DJTNfnMgXnQkQbbvlJPKE

Wow! I remember a friend of mine's father (that grew up in Morocco) telling us that he had to cut out the "printed in Israel" from any seforim he brought home.
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Post by: Dan on September 12, 2020, 09:28:21 PM
Israel and Morocco to establish direct flights...

https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/israel-morocco-to-establish-direct-flights-report-642045?fbclid=IwAR0FGJjp-MAemRtFsDidZlp6X9RnkheNeZvEM_DJTNfnMgXnQkQbbvlJPKE
Where is the source article on N12?
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Post by: aygart on September 12, 2020, 10:10:32 PM
Proof the world isn't the way it seems:

Conservatives are happy today and leftists are sulking. So who really wants peace?
Neither! How is that different from the way it seems?
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on September 12, 2020, 10:26:27 PM
Where is the source article on N12?

"The unsourced TV report said efforts to reach a breakthrough on Israel-Morocco ties some time ago had failed due to unspecified reasons, but the US was hoping the more limited gesture of direct flights was achievable." (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/after-uae-and-bahrain-deals-trump-said-aiming-for-direct-israel-morocco-flights/amp/)
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on September 13, 2020, 05:27:06 PM
BEN GURION AIRPORT: Prime Minister Netanyahu and his wife Sarah boarded the plane and are now heading to Washington for the historic peace accord with Bahrain and the UAE.

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Post by: Kobe Bryant on September 14, 2020, 02:16:07 PM
Irans Revolutionary Guards threatened Bahrain on Saturday following the announcement of the Israel-Bahrain normalization deal, saying it would face harsh revenge.

The island of Bahrain lies just off the coast of Saudi Arabia, and is among the worlds smallest countries, only about 760 square kilometers (290 square miles). Bahrains location in the Persian Gulf long has made it a trading stop and a naval defensive position. The island is home to the U.S. Navys 5th Fleet and a recently built British naval base.

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Post by: ExGingi on September 14, 2020, 02:20:33 PM
Irans Revolutionary Guards threatened Bahrain on Saturday following the announcement of the Israel-Bahrain normalization deal, saying it would face harsh revenge.

The island of Bahrain lies just off the coast of Saudi Arabia, and is among the worlds smallest countries, only about 760 square kilometers (290 square miles). Bahrains location in the Persian Gulf long has made it a trading stop and a naval defensive position. The island is home to the U.S. Navys 5th Fleet and a recently built British naval base.

Bahrain's position is complicated by a majority Shia population ruled by a Sunni monarch.

Newsflash from one of the most reliable news sources regarding Middle East conflicts: https://t.me/AbuSaleh_israel_reports/9149
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on September 14, 2020, 02:20:57 PM
Irans Revolutionary Guards threatened Bahrain on Saturday following the announcement of the Israel-Bahrain normalization deal, saying it would face harsh revenge.

The island of Bahrain lies just off the coast of Saudi Arabia, and is among the worlds smallest countries, only about 760 square kilometers (290 square miles). Bahrains location in the Persian Gulf long has made it a trading stop and a naval defensive position. The island is home to the U.S. Navys 5th Fleet and a recently built British naval base.
"Obama" Should Win The Nobel Peace Prize.  (https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/news-roundup/9-2-20-news-roundup-uae-peace-deal-el-al-covid-reinfection-flight-simulator-737max-rebranding-ransomware-tesla-hack-bonvoyed/ Iran Should Win The Nobel Peace Prize  ???)FTFY
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Post by: tavster on September 15, 2020, 02:29:45 AM
 ::)
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on September 15, 2020, 12:02:44 PM
Trump welcomes the Minister of Bahrain at he hosts Israel, the U.A.E. and Bahrain for signing ceremonies to commence full diplomatic relations with the Israel.

(https://i.postimg.cc/FHrzsrf2/IMG-20200915-WA0010.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

(https://i.postimg.cc/x8PQWmPq/20200915-120149.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/N2LZX5Sw)
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on September 15, 2020, 02:20:07 PM
Mincha now on the White House lawn.

(https://i.postimg.cc/8znyxtzj/IMG-20200915-WA0019.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/yDcXZh9H)

(https://i.postimg.cc/YSGX7Yv8/IMG-20200915-WA0020.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/f3s7j3j0)
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on September 15, 2020, 02:24:29 PM
In the presence of PM Netanyahu at the White House, President Trump announced to the media "We are in talks with 5-6 countries about signing peace accords with Israel, you will see more announcement soon"
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Post by: BP16 on September 15, 2020, 02:29:42 PM
In the presence of PM Netanyahu at the White House, President Trump announced to the media "We are in talks with 5-6 countries about signing peace accords with Israel, you will see more announcement soon"
Which ones do you think
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on September 15, 2020, 02:37:24 PM
Which ones do you think
Oman, Kuwait, KSA, Morocco, and possibly even Qatar amd Sudan.
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Post by: tavster on September 15, 2020, 02:39:43 PM
Oman, Kuwait, KSA, Morocco, and possibly even Qatar amd Sudan.
Agreed on Oman, Kuwait, Sudan
KSA when MBS becomes king.
Qatar - strongly disagree
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Post by: Lurker on September 15, 2020, 02:40:30 PM
Sudan has been in the works for a while now.
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Post by: justaregularguy on September 15, 2020, 02:53:34 PM
i like that one guy in the pic whos still up to shacaris 👍
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on September 15, 2020, 03:18:34 PM
Agreed on Oman, Kuwait, Sudan
KSA when MBS becomes king.
Qatar - strongly disagree
Qatar is the least likely to sign a peace deal with Israel. I still believe there is a good possibility that there have been talks.
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Post by: zh cohen on September 15, 2020, 04:06:33 PM
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Post by: yelped on September 15, 2020, 04:16:21 PM
A lot is the answer to that question.
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Post by: zh cohen on September 15, 2020, 04:24:17 PM
A lot is the answer to that question.

I was thinking that the answer is that it's not about what he's missing, but about what he has (Trump Derangement Syndrome).
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Post by: yelped on September 15, 2020, 04:27:30 PM
I was thinking that the answer is that it's not about what he's missing, but about what he has (Trump Derangement Syndrome).
Indeed. So many out there are blinded by their hate for Trump. My outlook is, if Trump is crazy, why do you, too, have to be crazy and so obsessed with your hate for Trump that you will literally call day, night, and night, day?
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Post by: justaregularguy on September 15, 2020, 04:31:02 PM

lol what does the paper even say?!  ;D  is it good?
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on September 15, 2020, 04:38:45 PM
Who are these Blue Checked clowns on Twitter?
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Post by: BarryLincoln on September 15, 2020, 04:44:17 PM
Better question is why don't we see any UAE or Bahrain people in their traditional garb?  Saw a few yidden in hats/bekeshe...
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Post by: ExGingi on September 17, 2020, 05:19:57 PM
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Post by: Naftuli19 on September 17, 2020, 05:24:13 PM
::)
Lol i actually know most here ;D ;D
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on September 17, 2020, 07:08:41 PM
The silence on this historic moment in the Middle East by the MSM is deafening.
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Post by: Dan on September 17, 2020, 07:29:53 PM
The silence on this historic moment in the Middle East by the MSM is deafening.
+1
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Post by: Eb228 on September 17, 2020, 08:02:19 PM
The silence on this historic moment in the Middle East by the MSM is deafening.

Halevai they were just silent, theyre actully bashing it as the worst mistake Trump ever made that will blow up the middle east
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Post by: zh cohen on September 17, 2020, 08:03:01 PM
Halevai they were just silent, theyre actully bashing it as the worst mistake Trump ever made that will blow up the middle east

Link?
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Post by: Lurker on September 17, 2020, 08:03:33 PM
The silence on this historic moment in the Middle East by the MSM is deafening.

I don't know, I think it may be better this way. Israel doesn't need to be sharing headlines with the craziness in this country. Let them make peace quietly.
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Post by: Luvisrael on September 17, 2020, 11:07:44 PM
Lol ?s=20
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on September 21, 2020, 07:32:11 PM
Possible Israel-Sudan Normalization Deal Within Days.

U.S., Emirati and Sudanese officials held a decisive meeting in Abu Dhabi on Sunday regarding the normalization of ties between Israel and Sudan, Walla News reported.

An announcement that Sudan will normalize ties with Israel could be made within days if the US and the United Arab Emirates agree to fulfill Sudans requests for financial aid, the report said.
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on September 21, 2020, 11:05:16 PM
If that's the only hang-up, it's a done deal. Trump will pay any price.
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on September 23, 2020, 05:22:08 PM
?s=20
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on September 24, 2020, 03:32:17 PM
Addressing the United Nations General Assembly, Bahrains King Hamad bin Isa al-Khalifa on Thursday hailed his decision to normalize relations with Israel but also called for the establishment of a Palestinian state based on previous peace plans.
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Post by: ExGingi on September 25, 2020, 10:21:02 AM
Somewhat relevant

https://t.me/AbuSaleh_israel_reports/9277
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Kobe Bryant on September 25, 2020, 10:58:52 AM
Somewhat relevant

https://t.me/AbuSaleh_israel_reports/9277
Extremely relevant.
The Geopolitical map of the Middle East has changed forever.
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Post by: ExGingi on September 25, 2020, 11:03:14 AM
Extremely relevant.
The Geopolitical map of the Middle East has changed forever.

Abu Saleh is the guy to follow for accurate news and analysis about ME geopolitics.
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Post by: ExGingi on September 25, 2020, 05:29:27 PM
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/24/saudi-heir-and-jared-kushner-inch-kingdom-towards-deal-with-israel
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Post by: ExGingi on September 29, 2020, 10:50:54 AM
I guess the UAE knows something about being able to live in peace despite territorial disputes.

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Post by: tavster on October 01, 2020, 08:40:22 AM
UN to Oversee Border Talks Between Israel, Lebanon  ["https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-01/un-to-oversee-border-talks-between-israel-lebanon"]
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on October 08, 2020, 10:29:34 PM
The Hezbollah terror group said Thursday that Lebanons rare, indirect talks with Israel beginning next week on a longstanding maritime border dispute do not constitute normalization or peace talks with the Jewish state.

Lebanons parliament speaker Nabih Berri confirmed last week that an agreement had been reached on a framework for the negotiations.

The talks will be mediated by the United States and will be held at the headquarters of the UN peacekeeping force, UNIFIL, in the southern border town of Naqoura under the banner of the United Nations, Assistant US Secretary of State for Near East Affairs David Schenker told reporters last week.
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on October 12, 2020, 01:17:35 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/greekcitytimes.com/2020/10/10/the-artsakh-war-and-arab-recognition-could-end-israels-reliance-on-turkey-and-azerbaijan/%3famp
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Post by: KSMH on October 14, 2020, 12:02:22 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/DmkTf1ss/hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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Post by: yelped on October 14, 2020, 01:40:30 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/DmkTf1ss/hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
How much shorter is the route now?
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Post by: tavster on October 14, 2020, 01:50:54 PM
How much shorter is the route now?
Looks like 20mn less, +/-, IINM
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Post by: Dan on October 14, 2020, 02:07:57 PM
Looks like 20mn less, +/-, IINM
Was wondering why Itay said 90.
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Post by: KSMH on October 14, 2020, 02:34:19 PM
Was wondering why Itay said 90.
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Post by: KSMH on October 15, 2020, 10:27:56 AM
And now a hebrew website  https://www.etihad.com/he-il/
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Post by: tavster on October 15, 2020, 10:37:33 AM
And now a hebrew website  https://www.etihad.com/he-il/
Nice !

Direct flights likely to be pushed off until January, at best

https://www.shine.cn/news/world/2010147685/
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Post by: tavster on October 16, 2020, 10:14:35 AM
ATC audio of EY welcomed into Israeli airspace

?s=19
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on October 16, 2020, 12:52:27 PM
Sudan has reportedly decided to move forward with normalizing ties with Israel, after the US reportedly issued a 24-hour ultimatum to the country demanding that it recognize Israel in order to be removed from a US blacklist, a source close to Sudan's leadership told i24News.
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Post by: justaregularguy on October 16, 2020, 01:58:34 PM
Sudan has reportedly decided to move forward with normalizing ties with Israel, after the US reportedly issued a 24-hour ultimatum to the country demanding that it recognize Israel in order to be removed from a US blacklist, a source close to Sudan's leadership told i24News.
lol trump is trying to line up as many wins as he can get
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Post by: Lurker on October 16, 2020, 01:59:55 PM
Sudan has reportedly decided to move forward with normalizing ties with Israel, after the US reportedly issued a 24-hour ultimatum to the country demanding that it recognize Israel in order to be removed from a US blacklist, a source close to Sudan's leadership told i24News.

Cram 'em in before the election. Makes me wonder if this is Trump's insurance plan for his legacy as POTUS in case he loses. He can say he reshaped the ME like no president in 70 years, and take credit for the new world order.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: justaregularguy on October 16, 2020, 02:08:58 PM
Cram 'em in before the election. Makes me wonder if this is Trump's insurance plan for his legacy as POTUS in case he loses. He can say he reshaped the ME like no president in 70 years, and take credit for the new world order.
would he be wrong if he took credit for that?
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Lurker on October 16, 2020, 02:11:43 PM
would he be wrong if he took credit for that?

Not at all. I'm just trying to understand the sudden push (and arm-twisting) to get all these deals done in the last months before the election. They aren't enough to move the needle on the election itself, so there has to be something else behind it. Trump doesn't do things just because.
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Post by: mercaz1 on October 16, 2020, 02:21:05 PM
maybe its Kushner knowing he might not ever have this chance again trying to ram them all through
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Post by: yesitsme on October 16, 2020, 04:44:23 PM
would he be wrong if he took credit for that?
According to Nancy, yes
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on October 16, 2020, 06:20:04 PM
According to Nancy, yes
According to Nancy, he should be dead.
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Post by: KSMH on October 19, 2020, 12:22:19 AM
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Post by: tavster on October 19, 2020, 12:44:55 AM
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Amazing
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Post by: yesitsme on October 20, 2020, 07:56:50 PM
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Kobe Bryant on October 21, 2020, 05:49:39 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/israel-had-a-secret-embassy-in-bahrain-for-11-years-report-646464/amp
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Kobe Bryant on October 21, 2020, 07:17:40 PM
Sudan has reportedly agreed to fully normalize relations with Israel, Israel Hayom reported late Wednesday night.

The report indicated that the formal and public announcement on normalization of relations between Israel and Sudan is expected to take place in the next few days, following an expected phone call between President Donald Trump and Chairman of the Sovereignty Council of Sudan, Abdel Fattah al-Burhan. 

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Post by: ExGingi on October 21, 2020, 08:16:54 PM
Sudan has reportedly agreed to fully normalize relations with Israel, Israel Hayom reported late Wednesday night.

The report indicated that the formal and public announcement on normalization of relations between Israel and Sudan is expected to take place in the next few days, following an expected phone call between President Donald Trump and Chairman of the Sovereignty Council of Sudan, Abdel Fattah al-Burhan.

https://www.israelhayom.co.il/article/803737
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Post by: theyankel on October 21, 2020, 10:02:44 PM
https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/sudan-agrees-to-normalize-relations-with-israel-report-646511
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Kobe Bryant on October 21, 2020, 11:20:20 PM
The silence on this historic moment in the Middle East by the MSM is deafening.
BUMP
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Kobe Bryant on October 21, 2020, 11:27:21 PM
Oman, Kuwait, KSA, Morocco, and possibly even Qatar amd Sudan.
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Post by: ExGingi on October 21, 2020, 11:37:28 PM
Oman, Kuwait, KSA, Morocco, and possibly even Qatar amd Sudan.
Qatar is an interesting one. IIRC it is one of the first Arab states that didn't officially have relations with Israel to host an Israeli interests office of some kind, which was subsequently shut down.

It is an important US ally, hosting important US military bases, yet has a rather warm relationship with Iran.

They are somewhat of a rogue wealthy nation, supporting various Islamic groups around the Middle East and North Africa, and more recently seem to be quite closely aligned with the region's loose canon - Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. This led to the Saudi led embargo on Qatar to which the UAE and Egypt ascribe.

OTOH the Israelis seem to be cooperating and welcoming their financial safety net for Gaza, seemingly keeping some stability there.

I honestly don't see that one happening as long as Erdoğan and Iran are flexing their muscles over regional hegemony.
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 21, 2020, 11:41:04 PM
OTOH the Israelis seem to be cooperating and welcoming their financial safety net for Gaza, seemingly keeping some stability there.
The Israelis begged the Americans to keep financing Gaza but Trump's hard right circle stopped it and let Qatar step into the vacuum.
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Post by: ExGingi on October 21, 2020, 11:42:09 PM
The Israelis begged the Americans to keep financing Gaza but Trump's hard right circle stopped it and let Qatar step into the vacuum.

IINM the Israelis were working with the Qataris on this prior to Trump assuming office.

What's your source for your allegations?
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 21, 2020, 11:44:48 PM
IINM the Israelis were working with the Qataris on this prior to Trump assuming office.

What's your source for your allegations?

It was widely reported at the time, here's one article a quick google search found.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2018/09/07/in-one-move-trump-eliminated-us-funding-for-unrwa-and-the-us-role-as-mideast-peacemaker/


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While some donors like Canada, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates are stepping in to offset part of what the United States is cutting, UNRWA will still likely have to reduce services.
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 21, 2020, 11:52:37 PM
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Several months ago, President Trump rejected a request by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to allow U.S. aid to be transferred to Palestinian security forces and told aides that Netanyahu should pay for it, U.S. officials told me.

https://www.axios.com/trump-israel-netanyahu-security-aid-palestine-4b22707f-636a-4568-bd80-94da0dcccc77.html
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Post by: ExGingi on October 21, 2020, 11:55:18 PM
It was widely reported at the time, here's one article a quick google search found.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2018/09/07/in-one-move-trump-eliminated-us-funding-for-unrwa-and-the-us-role-as-mideast-peacemaker/

Who's talking UNRWA? We're talking about direct payments to pay Hamas government salaries.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.haaretz.co.il/amp/news/politics/.premium-1.6917729
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Post by: zh cohen on October 22, 2020, 01:33:49 AM
It was widely reported at the time, here's one article a quick google search found.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2018/09/07/in-one-move-trump-eliminated-us-funding-for-unrwa-and-the-us-role-as-mideast-peacemaker/

The title of this article is a great reminder of how utterly wrong the FP establishment consensus was on the Mid-East
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Post by: ExGingi on October 22, 2020, 12:24:48 PM
WOW!!!!

https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-agreement-signed-to-operate-israel-uae-oil-pipeline-1001346340

There's an interesting twist to this story, which I don't see addressed. IIRC Iran has joint ownership with Israel of the Eilat-Ashkelon pipeline.

ETA: It seems like there might have been some change, with another corporation set up (eapc.co.il) that manages the assets of the original corporation. It's very complex, and I don't have the time now to research it.

https://www.davar1.co.il/125818/
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Post by: shimino1 on October 22, 2020, 12:35:28 PM
WOW!!!!

https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-agreement-signed-to-operate-israel-uae-oil-pipeline-1001346340

There's an interesting twist to this story, which I don't see addressed. IIRC Iran has joint ownership with Israel of the Eilat-Ashkelon pipeline.

ETA: It seems like there might have been some change, with another corporation set up (eapc.co.il) that manages the assets of the original corporation. It's very complex, and I don't have the time now to research it.

https://www.davar1.co.il/125818/
There was a big article written in one of the Israeli financial newspapers a month or two ago that I enjoyed reading. It was an in depth analysis about a possible oil pipeline that would release the gulf states from the threat of Iranian attacks against oil tankers in the Hurmuz strait. Such a pipeline from the Gulf to Europe with Israel as the focal point of transfer would arguably be safer and cheaper and would benefit both countries greatly.
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Post by: aygart on October 22, 2020, 12:39:32 PM
There was a big article written in one of the Israeli financial newspapers a month or two ago that I enjoyed reading. It was an in depth analysis about a possible oil pipeline that would release the gulf states from the threat of Iranian attacks against oil tankers in the Hurmuz strait. Such a pipeline from the Gulf to Europe with Israel as the focal point of transfer would arguably be safer and cheaper and would benefit both countries greatly.

Which could possibly have been THE major drive for the entire agreement. It would be a total game changer for the entire oil transport industry by cutting travel time and avoiding the Suez Canal besides the Straits of Hormuz.
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on October 22, 2020, 03:48:36 PM
Israel and Bahrain sign a formal deal for regular flights between the countries, weeks after the Arab country agreed to normalize ties with the Jewish state.

According to the reported deal, the countries can each operate up to 14 weekly passenger flights between Ben Gurion Airport and Bahrain International Airport, in addition to unlimited flights between Manama and Eilat.

The deal also allows for five weekly cargo flights to each country.

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Post by: ExGingi on October 22, 2020, 04:04:06 PM
Which could possibly have been THE major drive for the entire agreement. It would be a total game changer for the entire oil transport industry by cutting travel time and avoiding the Suez Canal besides the Straits of Hormuz.

I think it's universally accepted that Iran is the major impetus in getting the deal done. This is merely another detail.

A new pipeline is definitely something workable (though I would assume the Israelis will have learned something from their historical experience of a join pipeline with a foreign nation on their own soil). If it's the same pipeline it would be interesting how a pipeline built in partnership with Iran (Sha's regime) to bypass the Suez canal, would be used by Arab nations to avoid the Iranians.

Was anyone able to find updated information about the ownership? Is Iran out, or are they still entitled to their share of the fees paid to use the pipeline?
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Post by: yesitsme on October 22, 2020, 11:17:47 PM
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/1912563/israel-operated-secret-embassy-in-bahrain-for-11-yrs-report-says.html

Wow
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Post by: Kobe Bryant on October 23, 2020, 03:07:13 AM
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/1912563/israel-operated-secret-embassy-in-bahrain-for-11-yrs-report-says.html

Wow
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Post by: tavster on October 23, 2020, 05:31:42 AM
https://www.timesofisrael.com/saudi-arabia-will-soon-move-to-normalize-ties-with-israel-official-predicts/
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Kobe Bryant on October 23, 2020, 12:56:51 PM
President Trump has just announced that at least five additional countries want to join in a peace deal with Israel, and says Saudi Arabia is one of them. Says there will be a big signing event at the White House.

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Post by: yesitsme on October 23, 2020, 01:07:42 PM
Could we use 1 chicken for the family or do we need 1 per child?
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: tavster on October 24, 2020, 12:20:57 PM
President Trump has just announced that at least five additional countries want to join in a peace deal with Israel, and says Saudi Arabia is one of them. Says there will be a big signing event at the White House.
Saudi Arabia is really a game changer. And trump wouldn't have said they name publicly if they weren't close to signing imho.
Man how much progress in a matter of just a few months
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Kobe Bryant on October 24, 2020, 08:18:03 PM
Saudi Arabia is really a game changer. And trump wouldn't have said they name publicly if they weren't close to signing imho.
Man how much progress in a matter of just a few months
It's been a few years in the making.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Kobe Bryant on October 24, 2020, 08:29:49 PM
KSA will announce a peace deal with Israel after the US elections.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: yesitsme on October 24, 2020, 09:41:11 PM
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Kobe Bryant on October 24, 2020, 09:48:57 PM
I hear they are nominating Biden for a Nobel Peace Prize for peace in the ME.
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Kobe Bryant on October 26, 2020, 01:20:54 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/saudi-politician-palestinians-need-to-think-outside-the-box-on-peace-646997/amp
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Post by: tavster on October 27, 2020, 06:18:42 AM
https://www.timesofisrael.com/daughter-of-lebanese-president-says-open-to-peace-with-israel-under-conditions/
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 28, 2020, 03:14:40 PM
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Looks Netanyahu is again thinking a few steps ahead. Seems Biden may block the UAE F35 deal, and Id imagine congress can block it too. There is strong bipartisan support of Israel
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Post by: yesitsme on October 28, 2020, 09:21:44 PM
Biden? Former vice President?
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Post by: tavster on October 29, 2020, 04:45:40 AM
Didnt know where else to post this...

https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-to-let-citizens-born-in-jerusalem-list-israel-on-their-passports-report/
Title: Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace
Post by: Kobe Bryant on October 29, 2020, 07:55:44 AM
Didnt know where else to post this...

https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-to-let-citizens-born-in-jerusalem-list-israel-on-their-passports-report/
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=120787.0