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Title: Neuralink
Post by: Definitions on August 29, 2020, 09:54:32 PM


I wonder how much this will affect the future.

Can it stop neurons from firing or only activate neurons?

Will there be any halachic implications besides for maybe elective surgery?
Title: Re: Neuralink
Post by: Yo ssi on August 29, 2020, 10:18:47 PM

I wonder how much this will affect the future.

Can it stop neurons from firing or only activate neurons?

Will there be any halachic implications besides for maybe elective surgery?
You beat me to it, I was gonna start a thread;)
It seems like it should be able to detect the movement of nearby neurons and should be able to detect it, but not to block it. Perhaps they can counter it with firing counter measures (whatever that's supposed to mean).
Seems to me it will be a long way for halachic approval, I'd assume it would be easier for medical reasons.
Title: Re: Neuralink
Post by: Definitions on August 29, 2020, 11:20:32 PM
You beat me to it, I was gonna start a thread;)
It seems like it should be able to detect the movement of nearby neurons and should be able to detect it, but not to block it. Perhaps they can counter it with firing counter measures (whatever that's supposed to mean).
Seems to me it will be a long way for halachic approval, I'd assume it would be easier for medical reasons.
Why would it be problematic halachically?
Title: Re: Neuralink
Post by: Yo ssi on August 29, 2020, 11:42:00 PM
Why would it be problematic halachically?
It's a permanent modification of the body, they take a piece of skull out.
Title: Re: Neuralink
Post by: Yisroel Tech on September 01, 2020, 04:57:12 PM
It's a permanent modification of the body, they take a piece of skull out.
"Modification of the body"? It's more like when you take out your Kidney or Appendix or even when you do a root canal...
Title: Re: Neuralink
Post by: Yo ssi on September 01, 2020, 05:00:33 PM
"Modification of the body"? It's more like when you take out your Kidney or Appendix or even when you do a root canal...
Taking out a kidney when it fails is definitely a modification of one's body. This is cutting a piece of skull out for beauty purposes, as a convenient place to store the chip, and is totally not necessary for it to work.
Title: Re: Neuralink
Post by: Yisroel Tech on September 01, 2020, 05:53:17 PM
Taking out a kidney when it fails is definitely a modification of one's body. This is cutting a piece of skull out for beauty purposes, as a convenient place to store the chip, and is totally not necessary for it to work.
Correct, but the skull isn't really an organ doing body functions. So drilling the tooth root (bone connected to the skull...) to put in an implant/root canal it's not less "modifying" then this is.
Title: Re: Neuralink
Post by: Yo ssi on September 01, 2020, 09:26:53 PM
Correct, but the skull isn't really an organ doing body functions. So drilling the tooth root (bone connected to the skull...) to put in an implant/root canal it's not less "modifying" then this is.
Good point. I guess then it would be more a question of unnecessary pain. (which can be easily debunked since that's the only option for now 🤷‍♂️) then there's also the actual rest of it, I think it's definitely going to be a discussion.
As always AYLOR
Title: Re: Neuralink
Post by: lcm on September 01, 2020, 09:59:29 PM
The other issue thing that came to mind is foreign things in the body. Before kevurah, do they have to be removed?
How does it work with pacemakers?
Title: Re: Neuralink
Post by: Yo ssi on September 01, 2020, 10:14:17 PM
The other issue thing that came to mind is foreign things in the body. Before kevurah, do they have to be removed?
How does it work with pacemakers?
According to Elon it's easily removable.
Title: Re: Neuralink
Post by: Zalc on September 01, 2020, 10:20:24 PM
How does it work with shabbos, if there's no medical need for it?
Title: Re: Neuralink
Post by: Yo ssi on September 01, 2020, 10:25:20 PM
How does it work with shabbos, if there's no medical need for it?
We're assuming for now there is a medical need, if there isn't then there's bigger issues then Shabbos I believe.. (you can always just turn it off)

Kind of interesting how charging is wirelessly, so people will have a wire magnetically attached to their heads overnight, like what if it falls off?
Title: Re: Neuralink
Post by: zh cohen on September 02, 2020, 12:56:12 AM
Can't watch the video, but anyone else remember the guy who went on shark tank years ago to pitch this idea?
Title: Re: Neuralink
Post by: Joe4007 on September 02, 2020, 01:42:57 PM
Can't watch the video, but anyone else remember the guy who went on shark tank years ago to pitch this idea?
Lol, that was just a Bluetooth earpiece.   
Title: Re: Neuralink
Post by: justmeha on September 02, 2020, 08:46:20 PM
what is it supposed to accomplish
Title: Re: Neuralink
Post by: Definitions on September 02, 2020, 09:18:43 PM
what is it supposed to accomplish
If they're referring to this https://gazettereview.com/2015/07/ionic-ear-update-see-what-happened-after-shark-tank/

I think it's just a regular bluetooth piece that's implanted in the ear.
Title: Re: Neuralink
Post by: zoefoster on September 05, 2020, 05:55:42 AM
i just loved this modification
Title: Re: Neuralink
Post by: HappyJulie on September 05, 2020, 01:47:40 PM
i loved this modification as well! It's great!
Title: Re: Neuralink
Post by: justmeha on September 05, 2020, 11:32:48 PM
If they're referring to this https://gazettereview.com/2015/07/ionic-ear-update-see-what-happened-after-shark-tank/

I think it's just a regular bluetooth piece that's implanted in the ear.
referring to neuralink
Title: Re: Neuralink
Post by: Definitions on September 05, 2020, 11:47:37 PM
referring to neuralink
Theoretically a lot. Realistically is yet to be seen.

I guess in short anything that there's a broken connection between body and brain. For example blindness you'd be able to directly input an image to the brain so a blind person will be able to see.

Paralyzed people. Memory loss. Basically a lot of things

Those are all input applications but I think it was mentioned that somehow this will also be able to upload all your memories to the cloud so you can make a copy of your brain. Something like that.

From their site
Quote
VISUAL CORTEX
Processes visual information from our eyes.
AUDITORY CORTEX
Assists with the perception and interpretation of sound.
SOMATOSENSORY CORTEX
Helps process sense of touch.
MOTOR CORTEX
Responsible for planning and executing motor movements
Title: Re: Neuralink
Post by: yesitsme on September 05, 2020, 11:52:17 PM
Theoretically a lot. Realistically is yet to be seen.

I guess in short anything that there's a broken connection between body and brain. For example blindness you'd be able to directly input an image to the brain so a blind person will be able to see.

Paralyzed people. Memory loss. Basically a lot of things

Those are all input applications but I think it was mentioned that somehow this will also be able to upload all your memories to the cloud so you can make a copy of your brain. Something like that.

From their site
Sure USB port, daf yomi v1.0
Title: Re: Neuralink
Post by: Definitions on September 05, 2020, 11:59:17 PM
Sure USB port, daf yomi v1.0
Can you imagine?! There won't be ameilus anymore it will be people uploading their (boich)svaros :)

(I remember watching a jewish video around 15 years ago about the same idea? Anybody familiar with what it was called?)

ETA: I think it was "escape from easyville"