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Title: ANA redemption on United
Post by: Mikeoracle on October 15, 2009, 01:39:05 PM
Since Continental will be joining *A in a week I was wondering if anyone worked out any new starwood redemptions to get to Israel on CO? Obviously transfering *wood-CO is not worth it because of the 2-1 rate but what about any other airlines in the *A program that you can transfer 1-1 and have a good chart and availability for redeeming on partner/*A airlines?

UA I know to stay away from because of their starnet blocking, what about any other partners?
   
I started with ANA (*wood to ANA is 1-1) and as far as I can tell you need to use 2 or more *A to redeem a *A award but their chart looks very good. They go according to the total mileage flown on the award trip i.e. JFK-TLV-JFK = 11,355 mi so you go to their chart and see that the 11,001~14,000mi range would be
60,000pts for Economy, (50,000 *wood)
90,000pts for Business, (75,000 *wood)
140,000pts for First  (115,000 *wood)
    The problem is that since you need to use 2 or more *A members on a *A award you cant just redeem on CO EWR-TLV-EWR non stop on business for 90,000pts or 75,000 *wood points, you would need to use CO + another *A airline. One option would be to use CO non stop one way and the other way use Swiss air with a stop?  Or maybe CO one way combined with US airways non stop to/from PHL on one of the legs (a little bit of a hassle to land at a different airport than departure)
Anyone else research this or have any info or comments on maximizing *A awards to TLV with CO esp utilizing *wood points?

(I hope I wasnt too confusing, I can clarify if anyone has any questions)
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: eli1571 on October 15, 2009, 01:44:44 PM
Y not just add an additional flight after ur tlv - jfk on another *a partner and just don't show up for it
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Dan on October 15, 2009, 02:07:28 PM
Y not just add an additional flight after ur tlv - jfk on another *a partner and just don't show up for it
+1.
EWR-PHL/IAD ought to do the trick.
Just make sure the additional flight is on a different day!
Also be sure to check how much their fuel surcharge is.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Mikeoracle on October 15, 2009, 02:07:35 PM
I thought of that- i.e. EWR-TLV-EWR-PHL first 2 legs on CO and last on US airways or something like that and just skipping the last segment but there is a rule that says;
"Routes cannot pass through the country or region of departure en route to another destination."
It sounds like this rule is to prevent this idea- if someone knows otherwise let us know.
the ANA webpage with all the rules and award charts are at;
http://www.ana.co.jp/wws/general/e/amc/reference/tokuten/teikeiair_1.html

Dan, there is also a rule;
No stopovers or ground transportation within the country of origin are permitted on international routes (itineraries that include 2 or more countries).
I think this also prevents your idea.
 
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Dan on October 15, 2009, 02:44:32 PM
I thought of that- i.e. EWR-TLV-EWR-PHL first 2 legs on CO and last on US airways or something like that and just skipping the last segment but there is a rule that says;
"Routes cannot pass through the country or region of departure en route to another destination."
It sounds like this rule is to prevent this idea- if someone knows otherwise let us know.
the ANA webpage with all the rules and award charts are at;
http://www.ana.co.jp/wws/general/e/amc/reference/tokuten/teikeiair_1.html

Dan, there is also a rule;
No stopovers or ground transportation within the country of origin are permitted on international routes (itineraries that include 2 or more countries).
I think this also prevents your idea.
 
Well at any rate you could fly
EWR-TLV on CO and then
TLV-PHL on US and
PHL-EWR on CO/US.
at the 60K/90K rate.

Still need to see what the fuel surcharge is to see if this method is better then transferring SPG to US or another *A carrier.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Mikeoracle on October 15, 2009, 03:06:42 PM
Doesnt that last PHL-EWR leg violate the rule i mentioned;
"Routes cannot pass through the country or region of departure en route to another destination."
or is this not considered passing through?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Dan on October 15, 2009, 03:15:53 PM
Doesnt that last PHL-EWR leg violate the rule i mentioned;
"Routes cannot pass through the country or region of departure en route to another destination."
or is this not considered passing through?
Dunno, call and find out about that and the fuel surcharge and let us know!
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Mikeoracle on October 15, 2009, 03:56:03 PM
I will try to call once CO is officially part of the *A so I can get real info. If this works then I think we found one of the better ways to redeem starpoints to Israel on Business without having to deal with FB/KLM type hars to get awards.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Dan on October 15, 2009, 04:09:07 PM
I will try to call once CO is officially part of the *A so I can get real info. If this works then I think we found one of the better ways to redeem starpoints to Israel on Business without having to deal with FB/KLM type hars to get awards.
You don't have to wait for that, just see if they let you fly PHL-TLV-PHL-ORD or how they recommend doing it and what the taxes are...
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: eli1571 on October 15, 2009, 07:19:22 PM
+1.
Just make sure the additional flight is on a different day!
y is that ?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Mikeoracle on October 16, 2009, 12:49:31 PM
Probably so you can get your luggage as opposed to having it forwarded to the final destination.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Dan on October 16, 2009, 05:59:58 PM
Probably so you can get your luggage as opposed to having it forwarded to the final destination.
The truth is on an international flight it's not such a big deal as you have to clear customs...just be sure to be discreet as you snip off the checked luggage tag as you walk on by the airline employees...
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: eli1571 on October 17, 2009, 03:14:50 PM
just be sure to be discreet as you snip off the checked luggage tag as you walk on by the airline employees...
well they probably can't do anything about it once u've got ur luggage they can't force u onto the flight can they ?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: SuperFlyer on October 17, 2009, 03:38:39 PM
Maybe not the best solution, but Air Canada can be used TLV-YTO.

PS: this rule that only family members are eligible for award tix, do they give a headache when booking?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: SuperFlyer on October 17, 2009, 03:43:39 PM
well they probably can't do anything about it once you've got your luggage they can't force u onto the flight can they ?

I'm not sure that I understand. Either you ask for a stopover of more then 12 hours, so they will offload your luggage, or you luggage will be forwarded immediately to the next aircraft and then, when they realize that you are not on board they will offload them (you might get in trouble doing so).

How do you take your luggage when it's supposed to move on to your next flight?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: eli1571 on October 17, 2009, 05:38:42 PM
Just look back at the previous posts from dan and mike......
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Mikeoracle on October 22, 2009, 09:46:39 PM
Update. After further research I learned the following;
The rule I posted about "having to use 2 or more *alliance members on an award itinerary" actually means that you can EVEN use 2 or more different *alliance members on an itinerary (as opposed to a partner award which you can only use 1 airline- partners or non *A members who ANA partners with like Virgin...).

Additionally I searched award availability on the famous ANA tool (search flyer talk for more info) and found that my calculations were correct and found RT EWR or JFK to TLV on Lufthansa for 60K in Economy and 90K in Business the same with US Air direct flight RT PHL-TLV. I called ANA and confirmed all of the above and I additionally confirmed that the above award is available from NYC-TLV on Swiss air, Turkish Air and Austrian air (basically all *alliance members that fly that route-not all airlines are searchable on their tool so I called to confirm) and will also be available on Continental on a direct flight once they join the *A next week.

As far as taxes and fees go, online it wouldnt give me a $ amount until booking- the ANA agent i spoke to also explained that they are determined at the time of booking, generally US airlines are cheaper with fees ranging between $80-$200  and non domestic airlines have higher fees and can go up to $400 range. These fees change with time and aren't confirmed until the award is being booked. A little bit of research on this seems to show that if you try checking a sample non award booking the breakdown of fees will tell you what part of the fare are the fees and they should be similar to what you would pay on an award itinerary (a good place to check would be on the ITA matrix website, the fares can be broken down to see the surcharges and fees- if you dont know what the ITA matrix is just google it). This info is not confirmed but seems to be in the ballpark range.

Their change/cancellation policy is as follows. Until the award is ticketed (24-48hrs after the award res is made) no fees to change or cancel. After ticketing changes can be made in schedule only (no changes to routing or airline) as long as travel is completed within a year of the booking without any fees. To cancel the ticket they will redeposit the miles into the account minus 3000 miles as a "fee".

I hope the above is helpful :-)
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Mikeoracle on December 16, 2009, 02:30:41 PM
Update,
I called ANA recently to find out what the taxes and fees would be on an award booking on CO EWR-TLV RT and was told it is aprox $100. Not too bad at all compared to the European airlines.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: SuperFlyer on December 16, 2009, 05:02:17 PM
Maybe not the best solution, but Air Canada can be used TLV-YTO.

PS: this rule that only family members are eligible for award tix, do they give a headache when booking?

Still didn't get an answer.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Dan on December 16, 2009, 05:05:23 PM
Still didn't get an answer.
Call and find out for yourself.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: SuperFlyer on December 16, 2009, 05:17:39 PM
I was asking about this part: PS: this rule that only family members are eligible for award tix, do they give a headache when booking?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Mikeoracle on December 16, 2009, 06:39:19 PM
I believe you can only book for family members that are added to your profile and when I added my wife it went pretty easy even though we dont share the same last name, also they are pretty loose with the family relations you can add (in-laws both sides, up and down generations etc...) I cant tell you from experience but I would suggest to try adding random people to your profile as relatives and see if it works, once they are on I assume booking shouldnt be a problem.

Again, the above is not fact just my opinion FWIW.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: hocker on January 10, 2010, 08:58:35 PM
i have 70k onepass what's the cheapest way to get to tlv? (besides 75k direct with co)
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Dan on January 10, 2010, 09:35:23 PM
i have 70k onepass what's the cheapest way to get to tlv? (besides 75k direct with co)
If it's already in CO Onepass the rate is 75K regardless of which airline you fly on.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Yordai Dooma on January 15, 2010, 08:42:41 AM
So i called ANA inquiring about flights from ORD to TLV yesterday and the one that was available on the dates we wanted (Swiss Air to Zurich and Zurich to TLV) Round trip came out to $519.00 in taxes per person! Yeah, i hope some other availability opens up as we get closer to the dates we want to fly (April).

Also, i know that when you book using the ANA mileage reservation tool and there is a stopover, both legs need to be in the same class (i.e. both on economy or both on business...). It seems that the same would be true for both the outbound trip and the return trip should be in the same class. If i fly ORD to TLV with a stop in Zurich it would be 60,000 ANA miles in economy or 90,000 in Business.
Because ANA determines the cost of the award ticket by calculating the distance from your departing city to you destination city and then back...it would seem that i cant fly to TLV in economy and then fly back on business. If i do that ill be using 90,000 ANA miles and only getting business class going in one direction...Does that make sense? Is there any way around that?
Sorry if this is a little confusing.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Mikeoracle on January 15, 2010, 11:10:14 AM
It seems according to their T&C's the whole itinerary goes according to the highest class even if some legs are in lower classes. I was going to suggest trying to book each way as its own itinerary (i.e. one way trips in different classes) but after adding up the mileage totals and the ANA award levels it would actually come out more than 90K for ORD-TLV RT booked each way seperately one way in E and one in B. Is there availability in B going there so you can at least get RT in B for 75K starpoints, possibly on a US carrier that has much lower fees?

Sorry, i would check myself, i just dont have my ANA login info with me now....
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Yordai Dooma on January 15, 2010, 11:31:35 AM
It seems according to their T&C's the whole itinerary goes according to the highest class even if some legs are in lower classes. I was going to suggest trying to book each way as its own itinerary (i.e. one way trips in different classes) but after adding up the mileage totals and the ANA award levels it would actually come out more than 90K for ORD-TLV RT booked each way seperately one way in E and one in B. Is there availability in B going there so you can at least get RT in B for 75K starpoints, possibly on a US carrier that has much lower fees?

Sorry, i would check myself, i just dont have my ANA login info with me now....

As of now there is very little availability. I was also told that the taxes and fees are more for a business class ticket than for an economy class ticket. Can anyone confirm that?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Mikeoracle on January 15, 2010, 11:46:57 AM
I saw some people reporting that the taxes and fees on Award tickets can be estimated by checking a paid booking breakdown of fees and looking at the taxes and fuel charges portion.
The ITA Matrix website is a good place to start as you can go into the booking details and see the breakdown of any flight they show.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Yordai Dooma on January 16, 2010, 08:38:26 PM
Question:
I am trying to see availability using *A from ORD to TLV on April 7 and returning April 18th. I would rather fly on a domestic airline to save the taxes and all. When i use the ANA award tool and search by a single airline (such as continental), it keeps saying "*We are sorry to inform you that there are no applicable direct or connecting flights. (W_B43)" I assume that is because continental would not be operating all four legs of the trip (there is always a stopover from ORD to TLV). It seems that no matter how i go, ill end up on an international airline. It seems strange to me because there are so many flights daily from ORD to EWR or JFK on *A airlines and there are *A airlines that are domestic airlines that fly from NYC to TLV (at least i think there are).

I havent transferred my *wood points to ANA yet...is there any other way to go (transfer my points somewhere else) that i would have so many airlines to choose availability from and would have a better chance of getting a domestic airline and not have to pay as much taxes?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Dan on January 16, 2010, 09:35:39 PM
Question:
I am trying to see availability using *A from ORD to TLV on April 7 and returning April 18th. I would rather fly on a domestic airline to save the taxes and all. When i use the ANA award tool and search by a single airline (such as continental), it keeps saying "*We are sorry to inform you that there are no applicable direct or connecting flights. (W_B43)" I assume that is because continental would not be operating all four legs of the trip (there is always a stopover from ORD to TLV). It seems that no matter how i go, ill end up on an international airline. It seems strange to me because there are so many flights daily from ORD to EWR or JFK on *A airlines and there are *A airlines that are domestic airlines that fly from NYC to TLV (at least i think there are).

I havent transferred my *wood points to ANA yet...is there any other way to go (transfer my points somewhere else) that i would have so many airlines to choose availability from and would have a better chance of getting a domestic airline and not have to pay as much taxes?
Continental has a very good Star Alliance search engine as well, have you tried theirs?
When searching for awards I always search for each leg separately.

There are at least 5 possible categories of airlines when it comes to fuel surcharges:

Category 1: Airlines that don't charge a fuel surcharge when you fly on them generally do not collect the surcharge on alliance airline travel even if they DO charge a surcharge.
Example: AA, CO, UA, US, and LAN.

Category 2: Airlines that DO charge a fuel surcharge when you fly on them, do collect the surcharge on alliance airline travel when the alliance carrier does collect a fuel surcharge, but don't collect the surcharge on alliance airline travel when the alliance carrier does not collect a fuel surcharge.
Example: ANA

Category 3: Airlines that DO charge a fuel surcharge when you fly on them, but never collect the surcharge on alliance airline travel.
Example: Air Canada

Category 4: Airlines that DO charge a fuel surcharge when you fly on them and DO collect the surcharge on alliance airline travel when the alliance carrier does not collect a fuel surcharge.
Example: Air France.

Category 5: Airlines that don't charge a fuel surcharge when you fly on them from specific countries:
Example: Delta (from Europe)

So you can transfer Starpoints to US and not pay any fuel surcharge even on Swiss, etc.
  
Air Canada only collects a fuel surcharge when flying on their own metal, but when booking Star Alliance awards I believe they do not collect the fuel surcharge.  However Air Canada has a separate Star Alliance chart that makes tickets to Israel only a good rate when flying Air Canada.

My guess if that there are other Star carriers that have a similar policy to Air Canada though...
I know SAS just recently dropped the fuel surcharge on all their flights, no idea which category they fall under.

What we really need to do is categorize other foreign carriers into each of these categories. Anyone want to volunteer?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Mikeoracle on January 16, 2010, 11:25:44 PM
Its weird that they dont come up with Co flights from ORD-TLV as there are definitely CO flights for all 4 legs on those dates. When I tried MKE-TLV on the ANA tool they did come up with some flights although no award availability currently....

Dan,
That is great info and we should definitely try to compile a list. Maybe you can start a wiki on the forum for members to add to?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Yordai Dooma on January 17, 2010, 10:35:44 AM
Continental has a very good Star Alliance search engine as well, have you tried theirs?
When searching for awards I always search for each leg separately.

There are at least 5 possible categories of airlines when it comes to fuel surcharges:

Category 1: Airlines that don't charge a fuel surcharge when you fly on them generally do not collect the surcharge on alliance airline travel even if they DO charge a surcharge.
Example: AA, CO, UA, US, and LAN.

Category 2: Airlines that DO charge a fuel surcharge when you fly on them, do collect the surcharge on alliance airline travel when the alliance carrier does collect a fuel surcharge, but don't collect the surcharge on alliance airline travel when the alliance carrier does not collect a fuel surcharge.
Example: ANA

Category 3: Airlines that DO charge a fuel surcharge when you fly on them, but never collect the surcharge on alliance airline travel.
Example: Air Canada

Category 4: Airlines that DO charge a fuel surcharge when you fly on them and DO collect the surcharge on alliance airline travel when the alliance carrier does not collect a fuel surcharge.
Example: Air France.

Category 5: Airlines that don't charge a fuel surcharge when you fly on them from specific countries:
Example: Delta (from Europe)

So you can transfer Starpoints to US and not pay any fuel surcharge even on Swiss, etc.
  
Air Canada only collects a fuel surcharge when flying on their own metal, but when booking Star Alliance awards I believe they do not collect the fuel surcharge.  However Air Canada has a separate Star Alliance chart that makes tickets to Israel only a good rate when flying Air Canada.

My guess if that there are other Star carriers that have a similar policy to Air Canada though...
I know SAS just recently dropped the fuel surcharge on all their flights, no idea which category they fall under.

What we really need to do is categorize other foreign carriers into each of these categories. Anyone want to volunteer?


Dan, so which airline would you recommend me transfer the points to? If i transfer to CO, UA, US or AA, ill have to use way more points. If i transfer to LAN, would i have the same award availability on any *A as on ANA only less taxes and fees? If so, why would anyone NOT do that?

Also, why does it help to search for each leg separately? When booking an award ticket such as ORD to TLV, there is always a stopover...would they put me on any *A flight from ORD to the connecting city in order to meet up with the flight to TLV?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Dan on January 17, 2010, 11:22:49 AM
Dan, so which airline would you recommend me transfer the points to? If i transfer to CO, UA, US or AA, ill have to use way more points. If i transfer to LAN, would i have the same award availability on any *A as on ANA only less taxes and fees? If so, why would anyone NOT do that?

Also, why does it help to search for each leg separately? When booking an award ticket such as ORD to TLV, there is always a stopover...would they put me on any *A flight from ORD to the connecting city in order to meet up with the flight to TLV?
LAN is Oneworld, not *A.
SAS is *A, you may want to look into their rates and fuel surcharge policies.
US may be your best bet for a SPG-*A transfer if you're looking to fly to TLV on a carrier that charges a fuel surcharge.

If I'm searching for CLE-TLV I'll check JFK-TLV, EWR-TLV, etc. because I can piece together the CLE-EWR with a stopover if need be.  No point in the CLE-EWR flight to hinder a trip to TLV.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Yordai Dooma on January 17, 2010, 11:33:50 AM
LAN is Oneworld, not *A.
SAS is *A, you may want to look into their rates and fuel surcharge policies.
US may be your best bet for a SPG-*A transfer if you're looking to fly to TLV on a carrier that charges a fuel surcharge.

If I'm searching for CLE-TLV I'll check JFK-TLV, EWR-TLV, etc. because I can piece together the CLE-EWR with a stopover if need be.  No point in the CLE-EWR flight to hinder a trip to TLV.

Dan, When you say "US may be your best bet for a SPG-*A transfer", you mean US airways? or A US airline? Sorry if thats a dumb question.

And when you say can piece together the CLE-EWR with a stopover if need be, you mean you would just redeem miles for a domestic ticket to get you to EWR? Or would you add that into the itinerary and it would still be the same amount of miles to redeem?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Dan on January 17, 2010, 11:58:59 AM
Dan, When you say "US may be your best bet for a SPG-*A transfer", you mean US airways? or A US airline? Sorry if thats a dumb question.

And when you say can piece together the CLE-EWR with a stopover if need be, you mean you would just redeem miles for a domestic ticket to get you to EWR? Or would you add that into the itinerary and it would still be the same amount of miles to redeem?
US Airways.

Let's say on 02/01 there's availability on CO for EWR-TLV, but if there's no availability for CLE-EWR that day then it won't show availability for CLE-TLV. But if there's availability for CLE-EWR on 01/31 you can redeem CLE-EWR/stop-TLV-EWR-CLE all on the same ticket for the 75K rate.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Mikeoracle on January 17, 2010, 01:08:57 PM
Or would you add that into the itinerary and it would still be the same amount of miles to redeem?

David,
just another tip about the ANA tool, that once you choose to search partner awards (either single airlines or all star alliance members) on the next screen instead of entering the origin and dest and clicking next, there is a button on the bottom of the screen "flight search"- that will give you the option to search by each leg i.e. you would put in ORD-EWR w/dates, EWR-TLV, TLV-EWR and EWR-ORD. this will give you the results for each leg and keep them all on the same itinerary...
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Mikeoracle on January 17, 2010, 01:25:35 PM
What we really need to do is categorize other foreign carriers into each of these categories. Anyone want to volunteer?

There is a thread on flyertalk with some info on this subject;
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/milesbuzz/716958-master-thread-airlines-charge-fuel-surcharges-award-redemptions.html
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Yordai Dooma on January 17, 2010, 02:50:47 PM
US Airways.

Let's say on 02/01 there's availability on CO for EWR-TLV, but if there's no availability for CLE-EWR that day then it won't show availability for CLE-TLV. But if there's availability for CLE-EWR on 01/31 you can redeem CLE-EWR/stop-TLV-EWR-CLE all on the same ticket for the 75K rate.

Dan and mikeoracle,

Thanks for all the clarification!
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Dan on January 17, 2010, 03:17:31 PM
There is a thread on flyertalk with some info on this subject;
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/milesbuzz/716958-master-thread-airlines-charge-fuel-surcharges-award-redemptions.html

Seems like most of the responses are neither the most useful or accurate.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Yordai Dooma on January 17, 2010, 06:29:57 PM
Dan,

if im understanding you correctly, by tranferring my *points to US, i can use them to fly on any *A airline and avoid paying high taxes and fees.
Am i correct that:
Flying to TLV on any *A airline using US miles will cost me 75K in coach (60K starpoints) or 115K in business (95K starpoints) but much less fees.
Flying to TLV on any *A airline using ANA miles will cost me 60k in coach (50k starpoints) or 90k in business (75k starpoints) but alot more in fees.

So in summary, you are recommending US as a transfer from starpoints if i want the better availability of flight to israel which *A has and dont want to pay alot of fees?

If all of the above is correct, why would anyone transfer points to another airline and get stuck with all sorts of fees?
If you use less points (ANA) but pay $500 in fees and even if we value starpoints at 2.2 cents a piece, thats the equivalent of almost 23,000 starpoints! Making the total ~73K in points.
Instead use 10,000 more points (US), pay $100 in fees which is the equivalent of around 4500 starpoints and your total will be ~64K.

Sorry if i seem repetitive and confusing. Trying to book these tix to israel at a good rate is getting me quite confused. The above may be a totally different story if flying from NYC. I am researching booking from ORD...
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Dan on January 17, 2010, 06:32:37 PM
Dan,

if im understanding you correctly, by tranferring my *points to US, i can use them to fly on any *A airline and avoid paying high taxes and fees.
Am i correct that:
Flying to TLV on any *A airline using US miles will cost me 75K in coach (60K starpoints) or 115K in business (95K starpoints) but much less fees.
Flying to TLV on any *A airline using ANA miles will cost me 60k in coach (50k starpoints) or 90k in business (75k starpoints) but alot more in fees.

So in summary, you are recommending US as a transfer from starpoints if i want the better availability of flight to israel which *A has and dont want to pay alot of fees?

If all of the above is correct, why would anyone transfer points to another airline and get stuck with all sorts of fees?
If you use less points (ANA) but pay $500 in fees and even if we value starpoints at 2.2 cents a piece, thats the equivalent of almost 23,000 starpoints! Making the total ~73K in points.
Instead use 10,000 more points (US), pay $100 in fees which is the equivalent of around 4500 starpoints and your total will be ~64K.

Sorry if i seem repetitive and confusing. Trying to book these tix to israel at a good rate is getting me quite confused. The above may be a totally different story if flying from NYC. I am researching booking from ORD...
You are correct if you are trying to fly on an airline to TLV that charges a fuel surcharge (which apparently ANA passes on, altough it's possible that there are some carriers for which ANA won't pass on the fuel surcharge)

But if you are trying to fly on CO or US to TLV then ANA seems to be the best bet.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Yordai Dooma on January 17, 2010, 06:53:31 PM
You are correct if you are trying to fly on an airline to TLV that charges a fuel surcharge (which apparently ANA passes on, altough it's possible that there are some carriers for which ANA won't pass on the fuel surcharge)

But if you are trying to fly on CO or US to TLV then ANA seems to be the best bet.

You say that ANA is the best bet for CO or US because ANA wont charge me the fuel surcharge when i fly on them? When i look at continental flights from ORD to TLV on ITA matrix, there seems to be around $500 in fees including a fuel surcharge. Did you mean that US would be the best for flying to TLV on CO or US?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Dan on January 17, 2010, 09:23:07 PM
You say that ANA is the best bet for CO or US because ANA wont charge me the fuel surcharge when i fly on them? When i look at continental flights from ORD to TLV on ITA matrix, there seems to be around $500 in fees including a fuel surcharge. Did you mean that US would be the best for flying to TLV on CO or US?
I meant exactly what I said.
Domestic airlines don't have fuel surcharges on award tickets.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: mordys on March 17, 2010, 11:26:51 PM
Book a BusinessFirst reward?
90K via ANA.
what are the taxes and fuel surcharge with ANA?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Dan on March 18, 2010, 10:26:25 AM
what are the taxes and fuel surcharge with ANA?
When I called them they told me they don't charge a fuel surcharge for travel on Continental.
EWR-TLV on CO or PHL-TLV on US would be 60K in coach or 90K in Business when using ANA miles.

SPG:ANA is 20K:25k and AMEX:ANA is 1:1.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: md on March 18, 2010, 10:54:40 AM
When I called them they told me they don't charge a fuel surcharge for travel on Continental.
EWR-TLV on CO or PHL-TLV on US would be 60K in coach or 90K in Business when using ANA miles.

SPG:ANA is 20K:25k and AMEX:ANA is 1:1.
In general, how is their availability?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Dan on March 18, 2010, 11:15:09 AM
In general, how is their availability?
It will be the same as whatever Continental or USAirways offers.
You can also check Star alliance availability by logging in with an ANA mileage account here:
https://aswbe-i.ana.co.jp/p_per/sky_ip_per_en/preAwdSearchLogin.do
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Smirk on March 18, 2010, 11:38:51 AM
So if i have Amex points that i want to transfer to CO for 115k redemption on business it would be better to transfer to ANA for a 90k redmption?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Dan on March 18, 2010, 12:10:15 PM
So if i have Amex points that i want to transfer to CO for 115k redemption on business it would be better to transfer to ANA for a 90k redmption?
That depends.

-Continental elites get expanded award availability.
-You should check on the exact tax amount from ANA and CO.
-ANA miles have a "hard" 36 month expiration limit.
-There is a 3,000 mile per passenger penalty for award redeposits, if the miles from the award would have expired in the meantime they can't be redeposited or used as the penalty amount.
-Departure date changes are free, but no changes are allowed for routing.
-ANA officially only allows you to redeem miles for certain relatives and they limit the number of people you can redeem for to 10.
-
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Dan on March 23, 2010, 01:27:09 PM
From another post, but it's worth mentioning in this thread for reference sake:
Quote from: Dan
Just called ANA.
They really did not want to figure out the taxes as I have no ANA miles in my account, but after some prodding ("I'm not transferring points from AMEX until I know the taxes") they said it was $79 for EWR-TLV on CO.

Directly from CO it's $43, but they also charge an expedite fee within 21 days and charge 75K miles instead of 60K miles with ANA.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Mikeoracle on April 08, 2010, 03:13:22 PM
As a reference point, I initiated a few transfers of SPG to ANA. The first on 4/2, the second on 4/4 and the third on 4/7 (because of the daily maximums) the first transfer already posted to my ANA account when I checked on 4/7 (it shows a transfer date of 4/2 on my ANA account, but it is hard to believe it was done same day) the rest still did not post.
I saw another reference of someone who intiated a few transfers in the middle of a calender month and the points all posted on the same day on the second of the next month. This might be an indication that ANA process their transfers on the 2nd of every month no matter when the transfer was intiated and if you time it right you can have points post within a few days.

Does anyone else have any more info to corroborate any of this?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Mikeoracle on April 12, 2010, 10:42:18 AM
As a reference point, I initiated a few transfers of SPG to ANA. The first on 4/2, the second on 4/4 and the third on 4/7 (because of the daily maximums) the first transfer already posted to my ANA account when I checked on 4/7 (it shows a transfer date of 4/2 on my ANA account, but it is hard to believe it was done same day) the rest still did not post.

Update, the 2nd and 3rd transfers initiated on 4/4 and 4/7 posted to my ANA account this morning. So they might do a sweep every weekend....
Title: Continental flight through ANA
Post by: mendelsl on April 21, 2010, 11:47:25 PM
I put a trip on hold with continental airlines, can I transfer the points to ANA and they continental will take those miles for the ticket?

or do i have to rebook the trip with ANA?

Thanks
Title: Re: Continental flight through ANA
Post by: Monsey on April 22, 2010, 01:55:13 AM
I put a trip on hold with continental airlines, can I transfer the points to ANA and they continental will take those miles for the ticket?

or do i have to rebook the trip with ANA?

Thanks
I dont know about continental in particular but most airlines can only book an award ticket using miles held by that airline so you would have to book it through ana. You can cancel the reservation that you put on hold, wait a couple of hours or till the next morning till the flight is back in the system and then book it through ana. In general its best to check award availability in the morning because reservations on hold which expire at midnight usually are back in the system at about 6 or 7 am (i was told so by a delta agent)
Title: Re: Continental flight through ANA
Post by: Dan on April 22, 2010, 09:36:41 AM
You'll have to rebook on ANA after the points are already transferred.

I got USAirways to hold an award ticket for a month, but most airlines won't do that.

In my experience mileage tickets either go back into award inventory immediately upon cancellation or they don't go back.  I'm not sure about any 6 hour cycle...
Title: Re: Continental flight through ANA
Post by: yossik on April 22, 2010, 07:55:50 PM
Can someone please post here the proper link for ANA, and guidance on how to reserve for the best rates to TLV?
Thanks
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Yordai Dooma on April 27, 2010, 05:34:45 PM
Is it worth it to transfer to ANA for use on domestic *A flights.

I couldnt see the taxes/fees, but from ORD to JFK (or something like that would be 17,000 km round trip which is like 13,600 starpoints).

Granted, its not as great as LAN for domestic, but is it an alternative thats better than using 25k on a domestic flight when there is no availability on AA or AA doesnt fly that route?

Can anyone see, or does anyone know, what taxes and fees would be for ANA flying on CO (for example) within the USA?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Dan on April 27, 2010, 06:08:13 PM
Is it worth it to transfer to ANA for use on domestic *A flights.

I couldnt see the taxes/fees, but from ORD to JFK (or something like that would be 17,000 km round trip which is like 13,600 starpoints).

Granted, its not as great as LAN for domestic, but is it an alternative thats better than using 25k on a domestic flight when there is no availability on AA or AA doesnt fly that route?

Can anyone see, or does anyone know, what taxes and fees would be for ANA flying on CO (for example) within the USA?
Mike, can you check on the taxes for ORD-LGA on UA(17K ANA) or CLE-YYZ on CO (14K ANA)?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Dan on April 27, 2010, 06:10:26 PM
There may be other good values, like IAH-HNL in BusinessFirst on CO for 68K ANA.

What else looks good?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Yordai Dooma on April 27, 2010, 07:39:58 PM
Just called ANA...

From ORD to YOW would be 17,000 miles round trip. She said taxes and fees would be like $5 or $10!!! (Max $20) This was on United. I wonder what it would be if i was flying on Air Canada or something like that.

She also said it must be round trip (no one-ways).

Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Dan on April 27, 2010, 08:04:53 PM
From ORD to YOW would be 17,000 miles round trip. She said taxes and fees would be like $5 or $10!!! (Max $20) This was on United.
$5-$10 sound too low. UA charges $42.50 in taxes for a redemption on this route.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Dan on April 27, 2010, 08:07:36 PM
In case anyone else wants to find good routes:
ANA award chart (http://www.ana.co.jp/wws/general/e/amc/reference/tokuten/teikeiair_1.html#mile)

Great Circle mapper (http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=cle-yyz-cle)

ANA Award Availability (login required) (https://aswbe-i.ana.co.jp/p_per/sky_ip_per_en/preAwdSearchLogin.do)
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: steve2 on April 27, 2010, 08:18:04 PM
$5-$10 sound too low. UA charges $42.50 in taxes for a redemption on this route.

 CO also charges $42.50 sounds like the ANA agent didnt realize that YOW is up in Canada and didnt include all the fees and taxes for an Intl Flight

 CO for their non-stop EWR-YOW takes 20k r/t but its 25k from ORD since its either on UA or via EWR. either way its all $42.50
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: MarkS on April 28, 2010, 09:21:39 PM
I want to get to Israel for sukkos, and would use 60k on ANA, but its only worth it (taxwise) if I can get on one of the US carriers. Problem is they don't show any availability on CO, United or US. I have heard it said that CO availability usually opens up closer to the time. Any info on how safe it is to wait for that???
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: steve2 on April 28, 2010, 09:29:36 PM
I want to get to Israel for sukkos, and would use 60k on ANA, but its only worth it (taxwise) if I can get on one of the US carriers. Problem is they don't show any availability on CO, United or US. I have heard it said that CO availability usually opens up closer to the time. Any info on how safe it is to wait for that???

 depends on what dates you are looking to fly

IMO after YK and right after Succos ends to come back, most likely little to No chance. CO wont have any problem selling their flights at those times except for the flights flying on Shabbos or YT

 Any other time of the year Id say if the flights were empty there would have been a good chance.This is for Coach, Biz is a different creature and CO would rather sell the BF seats to those willing to UPgrade using their miles and paying the co-pay ($$)
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: MarkS on April 28, 2010, 09:37:12 PM
So I don't know what to do, bec. with ANA anything other than US carriers its waay too much taxes, US carriers have no avail.
With Alitalia there is also alot of taxes...

Title: Re: Continental flight through ANA
Post by: MarkS on April 28, 2010, 09:40:40 PM
http://www.ana.co.jp/asw/wws/us/e/

You have to sign up for an account to check avail.
With US carriers (Continental, US Airways, United) expect to pay $75 in fees, with any other carriers you are looking at $500! 
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: steve2 on April 28, 2010, 09:44:06 PM
So I don't know what to do, bec. with ANA anything other than US carriers its waay too much taxes, US carriers have no avail.
With Alitalia there is also alot of taxes...



 U do realize you are looking to go during the Most sort after time period and from what I heard so far from numerous friends outside of the NY area its gonna be packed over there more so this yr then in many a yr recently

 go before YK and return say after Weds 10/6 your chances will be better, if you cant then look and see what it costs to pay for a tkt and Im sure what ANA will charge you is alot less but alot more then the $47 that CO or US or DL will.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: MarkS on April 28, 2010, 09:46:59 PM
I am wondering, if I book on ANA using US from PHL to Frankfurt, then Lufthansa to TLV will I pay US fees, or Lufthansa? Or a little of each?

I am willing to go the week before but even that doesn't have any US carriers avail.

I know I'm waking up late!
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: steve2 on April 28, 2010, 09:57:39 PM
I am wondering, if I book on ANA using US from PHL to Frankfurt, then Lufthansa to TLV will I pay US fees, or Lufthansa? Or a little of each?

I am willing to go the week before but even that doesn't have any US carriers avail.

I know I'm waking up late!

  I usually didnt book my tkts till July-Aug but once I saw everyone asking about going over,I Jumped and grabbed a great combo on great dates.

as I said I think this yr is worse then most in the past since alot of people decided to head over, last yr was a pickins festival
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Dan on April 28, 2010, 10:09:50 PM
I am wondering, if I book on ANA using US from PHL to Frankfurt, then Lufthansa to TLV will I pay US fees, or Lufthansa? Or a little of each?

I am willing to go the week before but even that doesn't have any US carriers avail.

I know I'm waking up late!
A little of each.  Mikeoracle tried this in another thread.

US has availability 09/14-10/06 by the way...
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: steve2 on April 28, 2010, 10:17:09 PM
A little of each.  Mikeoracle tried this in another thread.

US has availability 09/14-10/06 by the way...

 just like I thought. since most people dont want to go for 3 weeks and be there over YK.

 Coming back I imagine that Motzei Shabbos flights will be packed as its time for Y' tzias Yerushaliyim 10/2 . I used to love hanging by the Plaza and watch everyone run around like chickens w/o their heads, now its the DC more so. This usually is the for the next day as well and then it lessens up as most have left that came simply for YT
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Dan on April 28, 2010, 10:20:39 PM
There's Star Alliance availability every day.
This is where CO and US miles really shine.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: steve2 on April 28, 2010, 10:27:15 PM
There's Star Alliance availability every day.
This is where CO and US miles really shine.

 I had trouble finding it for a 3rd friend who wanted to go over when we were, even on some days with those 12 hr layovers and getting in at 3am. But I was looking for smooth connections = NY-ZRH-TLV and not NY-ZRH-FRA-TLV and something that didnt get them in Erev YT

I guess its back to ANA for me
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: steve2 on April 28, 2010, 10:43:02 PM
 Dan youre Right I found on CO

9/19 10:15am - 11:33am EWR-IAD this is coach

        5:47pm - 7:30am IAD-BRU

9/20  7pm - 11:20pm BRU-TLV  my friend said no way even if its Free

 or 9/18 11:25pm-1:55pm EWR-WAW (LOT)

     9/19 10:55pm- 2:35am WAW-TLV this is Biz again my friend wasnt interested and said hed rather buy atkt and fly without those crazy layovers

 the only thing back was 10/4 5am-9am TLV-WAW

                                          5:35pm-9pm WAW-EWR in coach

 10/6 has alot of options but with 2 stops
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Devorah on April 29, 2010, 01:24:01 AM
In case anyone else wants to find good routes:
ANA award chart (http://www.ana.co.jp/wws/general/e/amc/reference/tokuten/teikeiair_1.html#mile)

Great Circle mapper (http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=cle-yyz-cle)

ANA Award Availability (login required) (https://aswbe-i.ana.co.jp/p_per/sky_ip_per_en/preAwdSearchLogin.do)

Wouldn't this also be a good choice for domestic tickets including several stops, ie DEN-YYZ-LGA-DEN (total 3292 flight miles) for 22,000 miles?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Dan on April 29, 2010, 01:32:29 AM
Wouldn't this also be a good choice for domestic tickets including several stops, ie DEN-YYZ-LGA-DEN (total 3292 flight miles) for 22,000 miles?
"No stopovers...within the country of origin are permitted on international routes."

But otherwise yes, for a domestic ticket under 4,000 total miles it seems that 4 stopovers are allowed for just 22,000 miles, quite the bargain!

Theoretically, this routing, with a stop in each city,  (http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=lga-cle-ord-iah-mia-clt-ewr&MS=wls&DU=mi)should be allowed for 22,000 miles.  In actuality they may not allow that, it would require a phone call to find out.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Yordai Dooma on April 29, 2010, 09:40:16 AM
"No stopovers...within the country of origin are permitted on international routes."

But otherwise yes, for a domestic ticket under 4,000 total miles it seems that 4 stopovers are allowed for just 22,000 miles, quite the bargain!

Theoretically, this routing, with a stop in each city,  (http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=lga-cle-ord-iah-mia-clt-ewr&MS=wls&DU=mi)should be allowed for 22,000 miles.  In actuality they may not allow that, it would require a phone call to find out.

Stupid question: What defines a stopover? If you "stopover" and change planes in a city, is that considered a stopover? ORD-EWR-YYZ all within 5 hours, and returning YYZ-EWR-ORD...would that be allowed?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Dan on April 29, 2010, 10:40:36 AM
Stupid question: What defines a stopover? If you "stopover" and change planes in a city, is that considered a stopover? ORD-EWR-YYZ all within 5 hours, and returning YYZ-EWR-ORD...would that be allowed?
Changing planes is not a stopover, it's a connection, so that would be fine.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Yordai Dooma on April 29, 2010, 11:03:48 AM
Changing planes is not a stopover, it's a connection, so that would be fine.

At what point (after how long in that city) is it considered a stopover and not a connection?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: steve2 on April 29, 2010, 11:18:16 AM
At what point (after how long in that city) is it considered a stopover and not a connection?

 4 hours
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Dan on April 29, 2010, 11:22:50 AM
4 hours
It's possible that ANA might have different rules.

As far as CO/UA/US is concerned the max connection time on a domestic ticket is 4 hours or the next possible flight if there is no connection within 4 hours.
On an international ticket the max connection time is 24 hours.

I'm not sure if ANA has a 4 hour or 24 hour rule for US connections.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: steve2 on April 29, 2010, 11:31:15 AM
It's possible that ANA might have different rules.

As far as CO/UA/US is concerned the max connection time on a domestic ticket is 4 hours or the next possible flight if there is no connection within 4 hours.
On an international ticket the max connection time is 24 hours.

I'm not sure if ANA has a 4 hour or 24 hour rule for US connections.

  Then although Canada isnt the US, alot of Carriers dont consider it as an Intl destination in regards to its T&Cs, as well as Mexico . It gets bundled in as North America

 The question is how does ANA regard Canada as the US Carriers do or as an Intl destination and will they allow a connection up to 24 hrs in either direction in the US going to or returning from Canada. I have no idea
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Yordai Dooma on April 29, 2010, 09:11:34 PM
Which will transfer faster to ANA? AMEX MR points or spg?

Also, am i crazy to transfer to ANA to try and book on united/ continental with the upcoming merger?

Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: steve2 on April 29, 2010, 10:01:43 PM
Which will transfer faster to ANA? AMEX MR points or spg?

Also, am i crazy to transfer to ANA to try and book on united/ continental with the upcoming merger?



 once the agent @ AMEX hits the send button , the miles are immediately in your acct. UA isnt a partner with MR so you could only transfer to CO from Amex.

SPG I have no idea I never transferred into miles

 As for the merge it shouldnt be a problem if they in fact do merge (should know probably tommorrow with another CO Board meeting) then their Programs will merge into 1 probably UAs as that will be the name of the existing Carrier. If everything will remain as UA has it today with its program is anyones guess right now.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Dan on April 29, 2010, 10:14:35 PM
Which will transfer faster to ANA? AMEX MR points or spg?

Also, am i crazy to transfer to ANA to try and book on united/ continental with the upcoming merger?


AMEX or SPG to ANA can take from a few days to 2 weeks.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: steve2 on April 29, 2010, 10:27:02 PM
AMEX or SPG to ANA can take from a few days to 2 weeks.

Ive moved to a few US Carriers and when I checked once I hung up ,bingo the miles were already posted.So is it when transferring to non-US carriers it takes longer? or is it just with ANA. From Amex MR
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Dan on April 29, 2010, 10:50:29 PM
Ive moved to a few US Carriers and when I checked once I hung up ,bingo the miles were already posted.So is it when transferring to non-US carriers it takes longer? or is it just with ANA. From Amex MR
I know from reports on this forum that AMEX to ANA is not instant.
I know that AMEX to BA, CO, DL, and Alitalia are instant.
Dunno about the rest.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: steve2 on April 29, 2010, 11:00:43 PM
I know from reports on this forum that AMEX to ANA is not instant.
I know that AMEX to BA, CO, DL, and Alitalia are instant.
Dunno about the rest.

 still out of it can you please point me to where there are posts that say AMEX to ANA takes time.Theres plenty of SPG to ANA reports but I didnt see when I Quickly ran thru this thread any AMEX to ANA

AMEX to ANA is 1:1 , SPG gives you a bonus Miles wise so its better then 1:1 true some people might have MR pts and it will still save them a few miles by going the ANA route, but it seems most people are talking about Transferring from SPG to ANA and not from AMEX
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Yordai Dooma on April 29, 2010, 11:27:22 PM
I was actually going to transfer Amex to ANA because i want to save my spg. Does anyone have an actual report on how long it takes?

FYI- i called ANA regarding taxes on:
ORD-YYZ-YOW on AC and returning YOW-DCA-ORD on AC and UA and it was like $100 in taxes and fees.

ORD-EWR-YOW CO and returning YOW-DCA-ORD on AC and UA was around $75 in taxes and fees.

Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Devorah on April 29, 2010, 11:28:31 PM
I know from reports on this forum that AMEX to ANA is not instant.
I know that AMEX to BA, CO, DL, and Alitalia are instant.
Dunno about the rest.

Southwest, Jetblue and Frontier are also instant.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Devorah on April 29, 2010, 11:29:22 PM
"No stopovers...within the country of origin are permitted on international routes."

But otherwise yes, for a domestic ticket under 4,000 total miles it seems that 4 stopovers are allowed for just 22,000 miles, quite the bargain!

But theoretically, it would work from Canada to the US, no?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Dan on April 29, 2010, 11:51:56 PM
still out of it can you please point me to where there are posts that say AMEX to ANA takes time.Theres plenty of SPG to ANA reports but I didnt see when I Quickly ran thru this thread any AMEX to ANA

AMEX to ANA is 1:1 , SPG gives you a bonus Miles wise so its better then 1:1 true some people might have MR pts and it will still save them a few miles by going the ANA route, but it seems most people are talking about Transferring from SPG to ANA and not from AMEX
I had to dig it up, it was actually from a site comment:
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/6774/comment-page-1#comment-61383
"Just as an FYI, Transfers from AMEX to ANA (or SQ) are not instant and can take 5-7 days to process."
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Dan on April 29, 2010, 11:53:21 PM
But theoretically, it would work from Canada to the US, no?
It should based on my reading of the rules, but you'd have to call to confirm.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Yordai Dooma on April 30, 2010, 12:54:32 AM
It should based on my reading of the rules, but you'd have to call to confirm.
Ok, i have a stupid question:

So would it work from ORD-YYZ-YOW as departure and returning YOW-DCA (stopover for 1 night in DCA) then to ORD?

My stopover would be in DCA....Is my country of origin USA because my outbound trip started there? Or is it Canada because my return trip starts there?

Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: SuperFlyer on April 30, 2010, 01:23:26 AM
Yes, your origin would be the usa, and this routing should be an acceptable one (I'm learning a kal vachomer, from zigzag trips I took on one award).

Aeroplan transfers are also instant.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Yordai Dooma on April 30, 2010, 02:26:41 AM
Yes, your origin would be the usa, and this routing should be an acceptable one (I'm learning a kal vachomer, from zigzag trips I took on one award).

Aeroplan transfers are also instant.

If my country of origin is in the USA, it would not work...based on this: No stopovers...within the country of origin are permitted on international routes
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: SuperFlyer on April 30, 2010, 05:17:26 AM
If my country of origin is in the USA, it would not work...based on this: No stopovers...within the country of origin are permitted on international routes

true, got mixed up with aeroplan.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Yordai Dooma on May 02, 2010, 12:19:43 PM
AMEX or SPG to ANA can take from a few days to 2 weeks.

Update: I transferred Amex to ANA this past friday on 4/30/10 and it is in my account already this morning 5/2/10. Thats pretty quick considering it hasnt even been 1 business day...
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: steve2 on May 02, 2010, 12:38:23 PM
Update: I transferred Amex to ANA this past friday on 4/30/10 and it is in my account already this morning 5/2/10. Thats pretty quick considering it hasnt even been 1 business day...

 Not bad, so it seems AMEX MR goes pretty much instantly, while SPG can take time. remember its not AMEX SPG to ....  (whatever Carrier) but SPG to whatever Carrier.

 a person isnt transferring from their AMEX SPG acct but from their SPG acct. While with the reg MR accts its AMEX doing the transferring
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Yordai Dooma on May 02, 2010, 12:41:50 PM
Not bad, so it seems AMEX MR goes pretty much instantly, while SPG can take time. remember its not AMEX SPG to ....  (whatever Carrier) but SPG to whatever Carrier.

 a person isnt transferring from their AMEX SPG acct but from their SPG acct. While with the reg MR accts its AMEX doing the transferring

On a separate note, CO award reservation site is acting kinda funny today. Maybe too many people trying to make reservations before the merger....
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Dan on May 02, 2010, 01:07:02 PM
On a separate note, CO award reservation site is acting kinda funny today. Maybe too many people trying to make reservations before the merger....
CO.com is very flaky today.
It's definitely getting ready for the merger with UA.bomb as the horrendous United site is called.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: steve2 on May 02, 2010, 02:20:09 PM
On a separate note, CO award reservation site is acting kinda funny today. Maybe too many people trying to make reservations before the merger....

 Not at all. Once DL and NWA announced they were getting together it was still close to a year that the Programs operated separately from 1 another.

I wouldnt expect a merge of the programs  so fast, after all 1 can still find many a NWA plane still flying around in its old Logo and colors
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: aaronj_2000 on May 03, 2010, 08:37:06 AM



I started with ANA (*wood to ANA is 1-1) and as far as I can tell you need to use 2 or more *A to redeem a *A award but their chart looks very good. They go according to the total mileage flown on the award trip i.e. JFK-TLV-JFK = 11,355 mi so you go to their chart and see that the 11,001~14,000mi range would be
60,000pts for Economy, (50,000 *wood)
90,000pts for Business, (75,000 *wood)
140,000pts for First  (115,000 *wood)
    The problem is that since you need to use 2 or more *A members on a *A award you cant just redeem on CO EWR-TLV-EWR non stop on business for 90,000pts or 75,000 *wood points, you would need to use CO + another *A airline. One option would be to use CO non stop one way and the other way use Swiss air with a stop?  Or maybe CO one way combined with US airways non stop to/from PHL on one of the legs (a little bit of a hassle to land at a different airport than departure)
Anyone else research this or have any info or comments on maximizing *A awards to TLV with CO esp utilizing *wood points?

(I hope I wasnt too confusing, I can clarify if anyone has any questions)

Is there anywhere that I can get a step by step on how to get to Israel? I want to travel with my wife and son in July, for three weeks, and I have about 85000 starwood points. I think you are explaining how, but it is pretty confusing. please help!
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Mikeoracle on May 03, 2010, 03:01:23 PM
Not bad, so it seems AMEX MR goes pretty much instantly, while SPG can take time.

As I recently posted, on 3 seperate transfers that I did from SPG to ANA they posted over the following weekend. (2 were together in one week and one was on a Friday afternoon). This might be an indicator that they process them over the weekends.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Yordai Dooma on May 03, 2010, 03:06:36 PM
As I recently posted, on 3 seperate transfers that I did from SPG to ANA they posted over the following weekend. (2 were together in one week and one was on a Friday afternoon). This might be an indicator that they process them over the weekends.

When you did spg-ana on friday, it posted like 2 days later? or 9 days later?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Mikeoracle on May 03, 2010, 03:19:44 PM
When you did spg-ana on friday, it posted like 2 days later? or 9 days later?
I did it on Friday Chol Hamoed 4/2 and noticed the points in my account motzie Y"T 4/7 (I didnt think to check on Sunday) on ANA it showed the transaction date as 4/2 but I am not sure what that means...
then I did another 2 transfers, 1 on 4/4 and one on 4/7 and they both posted together on Monday 4/12.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Yordai Dooma on May 04, 2010, 09:13:11 AM
Update: I transferred Amex to ANA this past friday on 4/30/10 and it is in my account already this morning 5/2/10. Thats pretty quick considering it hasnt even been 1 business day...

Update 2: 2nd transfer of Amex to ANA initiated on Sunday 5/2/10 and it is in my account already today (2 days later)
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: yare on May 23, 2010, 05:47:51 PM
correct me if i'm wrong.... i found an itinerary on ana to from ewr fankfurt tlv using lh business on the way in and lx business on the way back tlv zurich jfk   for 90k.   now, it's not showing me what fuel charges and taxes will be, but from what ive been reading it seems it will be about $500 total.    if i call usair they'll be able to book me the same ticket for 115k miles and with their much lower fuel surcharge?  on their search engine theyre only showing me theyre highest priced business seats as available, at 120k miles each way, on the phone they'll give the me the star availability?   
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Mikeoracle on May 23, 2010, 05:51:38 PM
correct me if i'm wrong.... i found an itinerary on ana to from ewr fankfurt tlv using lh business on the way in and lx business on the way back tlv zurich jfk   for 90k.   now, it's not showing me what fuel charges and taxes will be, but from what ive been reading it seems it will be about $500 total.    if i call usair they'll be able to book me the same ticket for 115k miles and with their much lower fuel surcharge?  on their search engine theyre only showing me theyre highest priced business seats as available, at 120k miles each way, on the phone they'll give the me the star availability?   
Yes, they definitely should. Make sure to have flight3's when you call so you can tell them exactly what you found/want.
I just had this with CO, when I called they told me they didnt show anything for a certain date and when i gave them the exact flight #'s to check they found them and were like "oh wow, you really do your homework"....
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Dan on May 23, 2010, 06:40:46 PM
For whatever reason agents sometimes get nervous when you tell them the exact flight numbers and won't be helpful.

The best method is to tell them that "you had called in earlier and had found out and wrote down the following flight numbers that worked for award travel."
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: yare on May 23, 2010, 07:01:04 PM
ok, so i now have on hold these ticks through usair, for 120k rt plus 132.50 total in fees and taxes.   the question is like this.  i really want to originate my trip in miami, and on the way back i want to stop in ny for a day and then continue to miami.  the agent told me i can only take a stopover in a hub city, and obviously neither lh nor lx have ny as a hub city.  any suggestions?     and, ya, i told the agent i had looked around online and "thought" i saw a ticket...
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Yordai Dooma on May 24, 2010, 10:14:31 AM
ok, so i now have on hold these ticks through usair, for 120k rt plus 132.50 total in fees and taxes.   the question is like this.  i really want to originate my trip in miami, and on the way back i want to stop in ny for a day and then continue to miami.  the agent told me i can only take a stopover in a hub city, and obviously neither lh nor lx have ny as a hub city.  any suggestions?     and, ya, i told the agent i had looked around online and "thought" i saw a ticket...

What about making the stop for less than 24 hours making it a connection and not a stopover. I just did that with ANA. My connection is exactly 23 hours ;D
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: steve2 on May 24, 2010, 10:21:00 AM
 would flying LH into PHL a US hub count and then train it up to NYC but it will set a person back apx $100, which might make it not worthwhile. Or take the train into Philly and pick up a Chinese bus into NYC taht would be only a few bucks each way
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Dan on May 24, 2010, 04:43:29 PM
ok, so i now have on hold these ticks through usair, for 120k rt plus 132.50 total in fees and taxes.   the question is like this.  i really want to originate my trip in miami, and on the way back i want to stop in ny for a day and then continue to miami.  the agent told me i can only take a stopover in a hub city, and obviously neither lh nor lx have ny as a hub city.  any suggestions?     and, ya, i told the agent i had looked around online and "thought" i saw a ticket...
If you don't like what the agent says try again.
I made stopovers (over 24 hours) and connections (under 24 hours) on US tickets in non-hub cities even when requiring multiple connections to get to the stopover city.  It's just a matter of calling back until you find an agent to add it in for you.

(P.S. For whatever reason USAir's male agents are much more lenient and friendly than the women)
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: kivabb on May 26, 2010, 02:45:43 PM
Is it possible to use ANA search tool for partner airlines without mileage in the account? Assuming they show me availability that CO doesn't show me, can I play dumb and tell them I see that available on site, etc........?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: MarkS on May 26, 2010, 02:49:31 PM
Sure, you just have to sign up for a ANA account, and you can search regardless of how many miles you actually have.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: kivabb on May 26, 2010, 03:19:19 PM
Does the data help if I see availability on ANA and not on CO, if I have my miles on CO? Can I tell CO that I see the availability?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: MarkS on May 26, 2010, 03:24:55 PM
Yes. Call them up with flight numbers from your ANA search and say a previous CO agent told you those flights are avail.
The avail will be exactly the same on CO as on ANA.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: kivabb on May 26, 2010, 03:32:30 PM
Yes. Call them up with flight numbers from your ANA search and say a previous CO agent told you those flights are avail.
The avail will be exactly the same on CO as on ANA.

Thanks Mark
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Dan on May 26, 2010, 05:17:45 PM
ok, so i now have on hold these ticks through usair, for 120k rt plus 132.50 total in fees and taxes.   the question is like this.  i really want to originate my trip in miami, and on the way back i want to stop in ny for a day and then continue to miami.  the agent told me i can only take a stopover in a hub city, and obviously neither lh nor lx have ny as a hub city.  any suggestions?     and, ya, i told the agent i had looked around online and "thought" i saw a ticket...
BTW, CO has a NY hub.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: yare on May 26, 2010, 06:46:06 PM
ya co has a ny hub, but i find their award availability sucks.    i've been looking at some flights on ana that show me "rq" and it says on top that that means "submit seat request to other airline"    anyone know what that means?  is the seat actually available?  is there any way to check the availability before i go and transfer miles into my ana account? 
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Dan on May 26, 2010, 06:59:11 PM
ya co has a ny hub, but i find their award availability sucks.    i've been looking at some flights on ana that show me "rq" and it says on top that that means "submit seat request to other airline"    anyone know what that means?  is the seat actually available?  is there any way to check the availability before i go and transfer miles into my ana account? 
I don't think that seat is actually available.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: steve2 on May 26, 2010, 09:55:37 PM
ya co has a ny hub, but i find their award availability sucks.    i've been looking at some flights on ana that show me "rq" and it says on top that that means "submit seat request to other airline"    anyone know what that means?  is the seat actually available?  is there any way to check the availability before i go and transfer miles into my ana account? 

 if it says 'ok' then its available a '-' means its not offered and an 'x' means not available
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: andrew on June 16, 2010, 08:03:12 AM
"If this works then I think we found one of the better ways to redeem starpoints to Israel on Business without having to deal with FB/KLM type hars to get awards"
what is the fb/klm way to do jfk/tlv?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: yare on June 16, 2010, 04:52:39 PM
lol.  search klm on a site you may have heard of... dansdeals.com   see what comes up
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Yordai Dooma on August 17, 2010, 12:17:43 PM
Once you book a ticket using ANA, does anyone know if there is a way to see your confirmation number with the carrier you are flying on?

Meaning if you book a UA ticket using ANA, they show you the ANA confirmation number but not the UA one. I would need the UA one to choose seats on the UA website. Is there a way to get that # without calling them?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: steve2 on August 17, 2010, 12:19:58 PM
Once you book a ticket using ANA, does anyone know if there is a way to see your confirmation number with the carrier you are flying on?

Meaning if you book a UA ticket using ANA, they show you the ANA confirmation number but not the UA one. I would need the UA one to choose seats on the UA website. Is there a way to get that # without calling them?

 the only way I ever get the other Carriers PNR is by calling up, doesnt ANA have a US 800#?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Dan on August 17, 2010, 12:28:45 PM
Once you book a ticket using ANA, does anyone know if there is a way to see your confirmation number with the carrier you are flying on?

Meaning if you book a UA ticket using ANA, they show you the ANA confirmation number but not the UA one. I would need the UA one to choose seats on the UA website. Is there a way to get that # without calling them?
You can probably call ANA or UA to get the PNR, but you definitely need to call.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Yordai Dooma on August 17, 2010, 12:31:57 PM
the only way I ever get the other Carriers PNR is by calling up, doesnt ANA have a US 800#?
Thanks Steve2 and Dan. ANA does have an 800 #. I was trying to avoid calling. I always sit on hold for so long and i cant stand speaking to them.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Dan on August 17, 2010, 12:49:40 PM
Thanks Steve2 and Dan. ANA does have an 800 #. I was trying to avoid calling. I always sit on hold for so long and i cant stand speaking to them.
So call UA and give them your flight number and ask them for your PNR.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Yordai Dooma on September 12, 2010, 10:31:12 PM
Has anyone else noticed that when searching ANA for domestic flights, the early morning flights dont show up?

For example: Search ANA for a flight from LGA-ORD on 9/15/10...The first listed flight is at 8 AM.
Search United.com for the same (for award seats) and the first flight listed is at 6 AM.

ANA will usually show a flight even if there is no availability and in this case both the 6 and the 7 both have availability. Perhaps ANA themselves dont have flights before 8 AM?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Yordai Dooma on September 14, 2010, 12:49:48 PM
Has anyone else noticed that when searching ANA for domestic flights, the early morning flights dont show up?

For example: Search ANA for a flight from LGA-ORD on 9/15/10...The first listed flight is at 8 AM.
Search United.com for the same (for award seats) and the first flight listed is at 6 AM.

ANA will usually show a flight even if there is no availability and in this case both the 6 and the 7 both have availability. Perhaps ANA themselves dont have flights before 8 AM?
Anyone? Would a call to ANA make these flight available?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Dan on September 14, 2010, 01:07:00 PM
Would a call to ANA make these flight available?
Probably
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Yordai Dooma on October 04, 2010, 11:06:58 AM
FYI- Effective April 1st, 2011, ANA is making changes to their partner award chart. You will no longer be able to fly domestic short haul flights for 14,000 or 17,000 miles. All flight less than 2000 miles will be 20,000 miles for a RT ticket. See here: https://www.ana.co.jp/eng/amc/news/info/tokuten1010/index.html
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: steve2 on October 04, 2010, 02:41:23 PM
FYI- Effective April 1st, 2011, ANA is making changes to their partner award chart. You will no longer be able to fly domestic short haul flights for 14,000 or 17,000 miles. All flight less than 2000 miles will be 20,000 miles for a RT ticket. See here: https://www.ana.co.jp/eng/amc/news/info/tokuten1010/index.html

 it many cases that will still result in a savings in the amount of miles needed , just not a sgood a deal as it was
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Yordai Dooma on October 04, 2010, 02:45:21 PM
it many cases that will still result in a savings in the amount of miles needed , just not a sgood a deal as it was

What do you mean by a savings in the amount of miles needed?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: steve2 on October 04, 2010, 02:49:14 PM
What do you mean by a savings in the amount of miles needed?

 eg take NY-ATL its 950 miles each way = at best 25k for a free tkt, ANA will take if its possible to cash in for it 20k = a savings of 5k

 sometimes the Carriers have their own short in reduced mileage tkts that go for 20k, AA used to have it for 15k
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: sal2011 on February 13, 2013, 08:22:32 AM
Sure, you just have to sign up for a ANA account, and you can search regardless of how many miles you actually have.
how i joined i cant seem to do a search that includes partner airlines only ana im trying to get from Israel to nyc on points
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Twin on May 26, 2013, 06:32:35 AM
Ana is not showing TLV as a airport to depart from how do I check up flights from TLV to EWR on United??
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: rots5 on January 13, 2014, 06:10:34 AM
how do i book on ana to tlv? am i missing something? (sorry noob q)
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: MEIR613 on January 13, 2014, 07:55:17 AM
how do i book on ana to tlv? am i missing something? (sorry noob q)
Open an ANA account, transfer Amex and book.

Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: rots5 on January 13, 2014, 08:14:29 AM
Open an ANA account, transfer Amex and book.


I meant i cnant book unless there are miles in my account? (sorry was vague)
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: MEIR613 on January 13, 2014, 08:19:40 AM
I meant i cnant book unless there are miles in my account? (sorry was vague)
Ummm...of course you can't book without miles in your account.

They're not giving away free tickets.

Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: rots5 on January 13, 2014, 08:30:00 AM
Ummm...of course you can't book without miles in your account.

They're not giving away free tickets.


damn it (my bad...once again  :-[) ... i just want see flights availability.. 
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Penguin711 on January 13, 2014, 09:38:17 AM
There is a way to see award availability without having your miles in your account. There's the way around it somewhere - I came across it yesterday when I was using ANA to check award availability to Japan and it worked - I'll try to find it again and post it...
Title: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Penguin711 on January 13, 2014, 09:44:28 AM
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=2569.msg25091#msg25091

Worked for me yesterday with zero miles in my account...
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: rots5 on January 13, 2014, 12:36:19 PM
thanks. will try!
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: rots5 on January 13, 2014, 01:05:23 PM
AMAZING!! it worked and i founf the flights. 2 questions:

flight it
TLV>VIE>NYC
NYC>FRA>TLV
what are the approximate fuel charges that i should expect. if its going to be over 6-700$ then its a waste.

2. how much is it for a baby on lap?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Ez on January 13, 2014, 01:23:26 PM
AMAZING!! it worked and i founf the flights. 2 questions:

flight it
TLV>VIE>NYC
NYC>FRA>TLV
what are the approximate fuel charges that i should expect. if its going to be over 6-700$ then its a waste.

2. how much is it for a baby on lap?

They charge YQ on LH,

If you'll post a date i can check for you, as i have enough miles in my account at the moment.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: rots5 on January 13, 2014, 01:37:18 PM
Your a tzadik!

Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Dan on January 13, 2014, 01:41:34 PM
Gonna be very high.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: rots5 on January 13, 2014, 01:55:51 PM
Gonna be very high.
:( Thanks

cheaper 200-240k + 600 on ua?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: ilherman on January 13, 2014, 03:56:42 PM
:( Thanks

cheaper 200-240k + 600 on ua?
What do you mean by 200-240k + 600 on ua?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: rots5 on January 13, 2014, 05:47:46 PM
What do you mean by 200-240k + 600 on ua?
means i can get either 2 tr biz for 240 + 600 (for inf), or one way biz one way eco for 200k ua +600 for the inf
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Ez on January 13, 2014, 07:12:02 PM
Your a tzadik!

Sorry, it didn't allow me to search for your full itinerary, because i only have 60k miles in my ANA account.

Not sure if it'll help you anything , but I still attached here a screenshot of the short legs.
If you need any other searches done, i can try to help (up to a 60k mile trip  ;D )
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Dan on January 13, 2014, 07:52:14 PM
Your a tzadik!
90K+$655.52
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: rots5 on January 13, 2014, 08:07:41 PM
90K+$655.52
a ticket.... i need 2 plus inf.

And ur a tzadik as well. Thanks a million! really appreciated!
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Dan on January 13, 2014, 08:20:59 PM
Cant search for inf on ana.com
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Ez on January 13, 2014, 09:17:55 PM
Cant search for inf on ana.com

And see taxes & fees without the required mileage?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Dan on January 13, 2014, 09:39:44 PM
Also need to PUTPAC
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: rots5 on January 14, 2014, 02:58:35 AM
Cant search for inf on ana.com
Yes i know, i was making a statement that it will cost e a fortune to use ana unless i fly UA metal. Of course there is nothing in april :D

Ill either book on UA with points. Or I will just have to go the old fashioned way and call my TA. god news can be is ill hit A* G.

Sorry, it didn't allow me to search for your full itinerary, because i only have 60k miles in my ANA account.

Not sure if it'll help you anything , but I still attached here a screenshot of the short legs.
If you need any other searches done, i can try to help (up to a 60k mile trip  ;D )

@dan and EZ, Thanks again for your time spent on looking it up.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: deals on February 04, 2014, 01:08:58 PM
only ua doesnt have fuel surcharges with ana ?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Ez on February 04, 2014, 09:55:18 PM
only ua doesnt have fuel surcharges with ana ?
If your question is using ANA to fly on UA metal, then US airways too.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: MosheD on February 22, 2014, 01:32:50 PM
2 q's
1- anyone know what the policy is if there is only biz availability 1-way...if availability for the return opens later can I upgrade with no fee?  Or even possibly get myself on some sort of list...?
2- do they allow holds (without officially reserving?
Both for ana redemption on ua metal
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: sb5917 on February 22, 2014, 08:08:55 PM
2 q's
1- anyone know what the policy is if there is only biz availability 1-way...if availability for the return opens later can I upgrade with no fee?  Or even possibly get myself on some sort of list...?
2- do they allow holds (without officially reserving?
Both for ana redemption on ua metal
yes and yes
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: ilherman on February 22, 2014, 08:11:21 PM
I don't think they hold at all.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: sb5917 on February 22, 2014, 09:48:16 PM
I don't think they hold at all.
i did few weeks ago over the phone
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: ilherman on February 22, 2014, 10:34:33 PM
i did few weeks ago over the phone
Maybe with miles in the accounts.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: sb5917 on February 23, 2014, 09:01:52 AM
Maybe with miles in the accounts.
yes i did have miles in the account
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: MosheD on February 23, 2014, 12:21:32 PM
i did few weeks ago over the phone
And you can cancel without 3k cancellation fee? (I have miles in account)
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: sb5917 on February 23, 2014, 01:52:54 PM
And you can cancel without 3k cancellation fee? (I have miles in account)
yes
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Elgnt on March 02, 2014, 07:32:57 PM
Anyone know how much it would cost in taxes. fees to fly jfk-WAW-TlV in business if I book it though ANA i know its 90k miles but am nervous to transfer points there without knowing how much im looking at in fees also flying with an infant
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: sb5917 on March 02, 2014, 07:52:07 PM
Anyone know how much it would cost in taxes. fees to fly jfk-WAW-TlV in business if I book it though ANA i know its 90k miles but am nervous to transfer points there without knowing how much im looking at in fees also flying with an infant
dates?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: ilherman on March 02, 2014, 10:19:30 PM
dates?
Howmuch is JFK-FRA on LH F/J?

Thanks.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: sb5917 on March 03, 2014, 08:43:38 AM
Howmuch is JFK-FRA on LH F/J?

Thanks.
round trip first class 100.000 plus $1022.60 business class 68.000 plus $1022.60
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: ilherman on March 03, 2014, 09:07:48 AM
Thanks!
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Elgnt on March 04, 2014, 11:58:03 PM
does it ever pay to book through ANA?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: MEIR613 on March 05, 2014, 06:43:49 AM
does it ever pay to book through ANA?
Of course.

Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: MosheD on April 13, 2014, 11:23:22 AM
So I booked a rt on United using ANA
LHR-EWR-CLE-EWR-LHR
I've already flown the first segment (LHR-EWR-CLE) is there any way for me to change the second segment now and what fees should I expect to pay? If it is just the 3000 im more than happy to pay
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: MosheD on April 25, 2014, 12:08:15 PM
So I booked a rt on United using ANA
LHR-EWR-CLE-EWR-LHR
I've already flown the first segment (LHR-EWR-CLE) is there any way for me to change the second segment now and what fees should I expect to pay? If it is just the 3000 im more than happy to pay
kk
So cannot change routing or really anything else just dates >:(
I currently have flights 4/29 from cle-ewr-lhr, (UA) I flew the first half Biz so payed biz fare (67k as oppose to 48k) but no availability now, and they claim cannot change within 4 days of departure. Anyone have experience bending this rule?
As of now they've been so unaccommodating that my hopes are not high.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: MosheD on April 27, 2014, 04:22:32 PM
3rd update- So biz saver opened up today I figured I'd HUCA anyway even though every rep so far told me no changes within 4 days and got it upgraded  ;D
So with enough HUCA you can change within 4 days (I got new eticket) even though it says otherwise online
Another HUCA success story 
Now I just need this http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=39745.msg796534#msg796534
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: ilherman on April 27, 2014, 04:29:42 PM
3rd update- So biz saver opened up today I figured I'd HUCA anyway even though every rep so far told me no changes within 4 days and got it upgraded  ;D
So with enough HUCA you can change within 4 days (I got new eticket) even though it says otherwise online
Another HUCA success story 
Now I just need this http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=39745.msg796534#msg796534
Any fees?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: MosheD on April 27, 2014, 06:54:09 PM
Any fees?
Nope  :D
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: ckmk47 on August 04, 2014, 12:00:13 PM
Since I have no miles in my account, I can't see the fee, only the mileage.  Does anyone know the fee for YUL - ORD - YUL?  It's 38,000 miles and ???    On business - no economy open.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: ilherman on August 04, 2014, 01:44:16 PM
Since I have no miles in my account, I can't see the fee, only the mileage.  Does anyone know the fee for YUL - ORD - YUL?  It's 38,000 miles and ???    On business - no economy open.
Check ITA it should be about the same.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Centurion on August 05, 2014, 04:04:07 PM
Check ITA it should be about the same.
How do you use ita for award travel?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: chucksterace on August 05, 2014, 04:08:25 PM
How do you use ita for award travel?

You can't, but you use it to check what the YQ would be for airlines that charge YQ
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: ckmk47 on August 05, 2014, 04:16:18 PM
You can't, but you use it to check what the YQ would be for airlines that charge YQ
How?

Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: chucksterace on August 05, 2014, 04:29:46 PM
How?

Ill give an example, using ANA if you have no miles it won't show YQ. But if you wanted to know what the YQ charge you would be you would go to ITA and put in for example JFK-FRA (on LH) and what it says for YQ would be the YQ charge..

But for an airline that no YQ is charged then just look at the taxes.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: ckmk47 on August 06, 2014, 09:34:26 PM
How quickly do miles transfer from MR to ANA?


If I see a good redemption on ANA, do I book with them or not?  If not, how?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: chucksterace on August 31, 2014, 11:42:35 PM
How long does MR>ANA take?

And if booking for myself is the booking process easy? (Once heard foreign airlines can be a pain)
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: ilherman on August 31, 2014, 11:47:36 PM
How long does MR>ANA take?

And if booking for myself is the booking process easy? (Once heard foreign airlines can be a pain)
Im back  :)

It can take up to 4 days, booking process for your self is easy.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: chucksterace on September 01, 2014, 12:06:25 AM
Im back  :)

It can take up to 4 days, booking process for your self is easy.

Thanks. started the transfer.. Can they hold a reservation or nothing till they get the miles
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: Chapshnell on September 01, 2014, 12:07:28 AM
in my experience it takes 2 days.. took once 3..
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: ckmk47 on September 01, 2014, 12:11:56 AM
Im back  :)

It can take up to 4 days, booking process for your self is easy.
Is it worth using ANA to book?  For flights on which airlines?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: ilherman on September 01, 2014, 12:22:38 AM
Thanks. started the transfer.. Can they hold a reservation or nothing till they get the miles
Officially they don't hold.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: chucksterace on September 01, 2014, 12:27:24 AM
Officially they don't hold.

figured.. Thanks for all your help. Hopefully I can soon start coming back more as well.. Almost settled on my end.

Is it worth using ANA to book?  For flights on which airlines?

Yes, For example NY-TLV on UA is great. Y=60k, J=90k (roundtrip). No YQ.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: ckmk47 on September 01, 2014, 12:33:45 AM
Yes, For example NY-TLV on UA is great. Y=60k, J=90k (roundtrip). No YQ.
Thanks.
Any other carrier that I should book  with ANA?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: MEIR613 on September 01, 2014, 09:10:46 PM
Chuck, remember you can't book with in 4 days of departure.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: chucksterace on September 01, 2014, 09:21:45 PM
Chuck, remember you can't book with in 4 days of departure.

Yup. This trip is for in November but thanks though. Always good to know
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: ilherman on September 01, 2014, 09:22:47 PM
Chuck, remember you can't book with in 4 days of departure.
Of course he remembers. He is not senile  ;)

If the transatlantic flight is on UA then YQ shouldn't be too high. I think its 37k. Cancellation policy is good I think 3000 miles. You cant book a reservation within 4 days. ( Not sure about cancellation within 4 days)
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: chucksterace on September 01, 2014, 09:23:26 PM
Of course he remembers. He is not senile  ;)

I might have to disagree. At least some times.  :P :P
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: MEIR613 on September 01, 2014, 09:30:28 PM
Of course he remembers. He is not senile  ;)
Was just saying since I know he books a lot of last minute trips.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: chucksterace on September 01, 2014, 09:35:47 PM
Was just saying since I know he books a lot of last minute trips.

Indeed I usually do, but this time is one of those rare occasions.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: chucksterace on September 02, 2014, 10:22:38 AM
How long does MR>ANA take?

And if booking for myself is the booking process easy? (Once heard foreign airlines can be a pain)

Miles posted!!!

Just saying.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: ilherman on September 02, 2014, 10:33:06 AM
Nice! When did you make the transfer
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: chucksterace on September 02, 2014, 10:37:17 AM

Nice! When did you make the transfer

8/31. See my quotes post.

My ticket has been booked. Now i need thanksgiving weekend to come faster.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: jaywhy on September 02, 2014, 10:59:41 AM
Can the thread title be changed to United?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on Continental
Post by: chucksterace on September 02, 2014, 11:01:35 AM

Can the thread title be changed to United?

I think for historic reasons it should stay the same. In some minds it would always remain Continental
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: voby27 on October 27, 2014, 04:06:02 PM
Is it possible to book one way on the ANA website?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: Joe4007 on October 27, 2014, 04:13:58 PM
Is it possible to book one way on the ANA website?
http://boardingarea.com/onemileatatime/2014/06/03/book-one-way-ana-award/
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: voby27 on October 27, 2014, 04:21:16 PM
Thanks
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: Geshmak25 on November 05, 2014, 10:16:48 AM
How hard is it to get business award tickets (90K) from NYC to TLV on ANA? Any tips?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: kangarruu on November 05, 2014, 10:21:50 AM
How hard is it to get business award tickets (90K) from NYC to TLV on ANA? Any tips?

With YQ or without?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: Geshmak25 on November 05, 2014, 10:29:54 AM
With YQ or without?

Would obviously prefer without. That could be a few hundred dollars per ticket, right?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: kangarruu on November 05, 2014, 11:14:12 AM
Would obviously prefer without. That could be a few hundred dollars per ticket, right?

TPG has a chart with expected YQ for a bunch of ANA partners (http://thepointsguy.com/2013/04/ana-award-taxes-and-fees-airline-partner-roundup/). I didn't see any nonstop United NYC-TLV availability for the entire year when I looked yesterday.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: lifetimedeals on November 05, 2014, 11:34:49 AM
With YQ or without?
YQ ?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: kangarruu on November 05, 2014, 11:59:54 AM
YQ ?

Fuel surcharges. Some airlines will make you pay the surcharge on award tickets.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: Geshmak25 on November 05, 2014, 12:07:59 PM
TPG has a chart with expected YQ for a bunch of ANA partners (http://thepointsguy.com/2013/04/ana-award-taxes-and-fees-airline-partner-roundup/). I didn't see any nonstop United NYC-TLV availability for the entire year when I looked yesterday.

So basically the answer is that you will have to pay between $200 and $700 to realistically be able to book a rewards business flight.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: MosheD on November 05, 2014, 12:12:31 PM
So basically the answer is that you will have to pay between $200 and $700 to realistically be able to book a rewards business flight.
UA ex-europe has good availability and as long as it is not departing from lhr barely any yq
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: lifetimedeals on November 05, 2014, 12:40:31 PM
So from what I have read here earlier it is taking a risk because by the time the miles clear on ANA side the flights might be gone and they will not put a hold, is that correct?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: MosheD on November 05, 2014, 12:59:05 PM
Not ime
I've had ana hold
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: ilherman on November 05, 2014, 06:22:18 PM
UA ex-europe has good availability and as long as it is not departing from lhr barely any yq
Even if it IS departing from LHR there is no YQ.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: MosheD on November 05, 2014, 07:18:25 PM
Even if it IS departing from LHR there is no YQ.
Yes but there is the $200 London tax...
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: ilherman on November 05, 2014, 08:16:35 PM
Yes but there is the $200 London tax...
Exactly. It annoys me for some reason when i hear people saying "Lufthansa charges $1,000 in taxes for s RT award 😊
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: ckmk47 on November 06, 2014, 11:43:06 PM
ANA changed their search page.
It won't let me travel from BOS to CDG.  I have 1000 points in my account.
Is there a way around this?  Am I missing something?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: MosheD on November 13, 2014, 11:00:19 AM
I have like 20k miles left in my ana account for almost a year... Anyway to extend their life?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: voby27 on November 25, 2014, 11:48:28 AM
Has anyone recently booked a ticket with ANA miles? I want to know if they charge/how much it will cost in taxes from JFK to TLV.
They have a flight via United available.

Thanks
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: chucksterace on November 25, 2014, 12:17:44 PM

Has anyone recently booked a ticket with ANA miles? I want to know if they charge/how much it will cost in taxes from JFK to TLV.
They have a flight via United available.

Thanks

You mean EWR-TLV?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: voby27 on November 25, 2014, 12:48:16 PM
Absolutely
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: chucksterace on November 25, 2014, 04:13:26 PM
Absolutely

Then it would only be the taxes that you would pay. What is shows on UA by taxes is what you would pay. Nothing else
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: Matovu on November 25, 2014, 06:52:00 PM
Is the Workaround or Trick for booking a one way still working ?

just tried and got errors .

TIA
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: Matovu on November 25, 2014, 08:24:45 PM
Paging @dan
Paging anyone.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: chucksterace on November 25, 2014, 08:36:11 PM

Is the Workaround or Trick for booking a one way still working ?

just tried and got errors .

TIA

What routing did u try?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: Matovu on November 25, 2014, 08:58:37 PM
What routing did u try?

First, thanks for responding.

I tried, Totonto to TLV
And the next route
Toronto - JFK also tried Toronto to Montreal or Vice versa
Title: ANA redemption on United
Post by: chucksterace on November 25, 2014, 09:02:37 PM
First, thanks for responding.

I tried, Totonto to TLV
And the next route
Toronto - JFK also tried Toronto to Montreal or Vice versa

You need to end in Toronto if starting there. What you should be doing is YYZ-TLV, > JFK-YYZ.

You have the return backwards unless you just wrote it wrong. And your "return" flight can't be within Canada. Would need to be USA-Canada
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: Matovu on November 25, 2014, 09:55:11 PM
You need to end in Toronto if starting there. What you should be doing is YYZ-TLV, > JFK-YYZ.

You have the return backwards unless you just wrote it wrong. And your "return" flight can't be within Canada. Would need to be USA-Canada

I will try tomorrow again,
Though i did try motreal to YYZ
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: Joe4007 on November 25, 2014, 10:24:08 PM


Though i did try motreal to YYZ

And your "return" flight can't be within Canada. Would need to be USA-Canada

Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: chucksterace on November 26, 2014, 01:15:09 AM
Can I add my UA number to a reservation if I made the ticket using ANA award..

So far 2 reps said no.. Case of HUCA or is it NO?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: ilherman on November 26, 2014, 01:25:32 AM
Can I add my UA number to a reservation if I made the ticket using ANA award..

So far 2 reps said no.. Case of HUCA or is it NO?
You tried online? You should be able to.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: chucksterace on November 26, 2014, 01:34:09 AM
You tried online? You should be able to.

Just did it online successfully.. Didn't know why I didnt think about it..

Thank G-d.. My Precheck is in there now.. Big difference Lol..
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: ilherman on November 26, 2014, 01:34:47 AM
Just did it online successfully.. Didn't know why I didnt think about it..

Thank G-d.. My Precheck is in there now.. Big difference Lol..
My pleasure  :D
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: Matovu on November 26, 2014, 02:23:44 AM
Can I add my UA number to a reservation if I made the ticket using ANA award..

So far 2 reps said no.. Case of HUCA or is it NO?

Why and what are the benifits
Title: ANA redemption on United
Post by: chucksterace on November 26, 2014, 02:25:41 AM
Why and what are the benifits

Bc I am a United 1K and a ANA nada
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 26, 2014, 02:28:38 AM
My Precheck is in there now.. Big difference Lol..
You can always put in your Known Traveller # without the FFN
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: chucksterace on November 26, 2014, 02:31:59 AM

You can always put in your Known Traveller # without the FFN

Didnt work last week by Delta ticket using VIrgin Atlantic points.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: Matovu on November 26, 2014, 08:58:23 AM
You need to end in Toronto if starting there. What you should be doing is YYZ-TLV, > JFK-YYZ.

You have the return backwards unless you just wrote it wrong. And your "return" flight can't be within Canada. Would need to be USA-Canada

thanks so much Chucksterace,
working fine.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: bznt on November 26, 2014, 09:35:19 AM
May I ask a noob question. What's the benefit of booking via ANA ? Better redemption value ?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: coralsnake on November 26, 2014, 09:39:07 AM
May I ask a noob question. What's the benefit of booking via ANA ? Better redemption value ?
That.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: bznt on November 26, 2014, 09:39:50 AM
Where can I read about it ? This thread has no wiki
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: coralsnake on November 26, 2014, 09:43:05 AM
Where can I read about it ? This thread has no wiki
Ask and you shall recieve:

http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/28060
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: bznt on November 26, 2014, 09:43:23 AM
Thanks much
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: ari2955 on November 28, 2014, 01:59:55 AM
Any history of ANA asking for verification of account holder's relationship to the "Award User" ?

From their website "* You may be asked to provide documentation proving your family relationship with the member."

Thanks.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: ilherman on November 28, 2014, 09:01:34 AM
Yes.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: ari2955 on November 28, 2014, 09:18:59 AM
Yes.

Thanks!!

Mind giving more details?
All the time? Or only if your singled out?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: ilherman on November 28, 2014, 09:50:52 AM
No personal stories. Meir613 posted so on DDF somewhere.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: ari2955 on November 28, 2014, 11:01:48 AM
ok. thanks
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: bj501 on November 28, 2014, 03:59:17 PM


just for reference, i have been trying for two years to book two biz roundtrip mia- tlv
and have had no luck EVER finding two seats with a stay of two weeks or less using
United metal. I have been able to find lufthansa and swiss failry often but as known
they have pretty substantial YZ of about $1100 a ticket for the biz seats.

My points are expiring this july so if i dont find something " by miracle" over the
next few weeks i figure i will just buy, hopefully if still around, two seats on swiss or lufthansa and
pay the thousand per biz seat  since they are going to be dead miles anyway soon. rationalizing it as the
cost for my mistake of the tease of the great redemption rate. 
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: MosheD on November 29, 2014, 11:58:38 AM

just for reference, i have been trying for two years to book two biz roundtrip mia- tlv
and have had no luck EVER finding two seats with a stay of two weeks or less using
United metal. I have been able to find lufthansa and swiss failry often but as known
they have pretty substantial YZ of about $1100 a ticket for the biz seats.

My points are expiring this july so if i dont find something " by miracle" over the
next few weeks i figure i will just buy, hopefully if still around, two seats on swiss or lufthansa and
pay the thousand per biz seat  since they are going to be dead miles anyway soon. rationalizing it as the
cost for my mistake of the tease of the great redemption rate.
Or book to Europe on united metal, then use avios/$ to tlv.
Added plus of checking out random city in Europe
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: Buruch on December 23, 2014, 01:45:04 PM
Does the new chart give 1 or 2 stopovers on the RT? I would think 1 because everything is RT, but the original FT thread sounds like 2 - but that's from just after the announcement, so...
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: chucksterace on March 02, 2015, 03:56:01 PM
Im trying to search on ANA ORD-EWR-TLV . I see avaibility on UA.com for saver but on ANA it only shows up for the EWR-TLV not for ORD-EWR. It shows the whole day nothing available for those.

Do I need to call?? Why doesnt it show any flights ORD-EWR  >:( >:( >:(

Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: ilherman on March 02, 2015, 04:33:10 PM
Im trying to search on ANA ORD-EWR-TLV . I see avaibility on UA.com for saver but on ANA it only shows up for the EWR-TLV not for ORD-EWR. It shows the whole day nothing available for those.

Do I need to call?? Why doesnt it show any flights ORD-EWR  >:( >:( >:(
I may be wrong, but I don't think ANA displays double connections. Don't they have a mulit flight search option?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: chucksterace on March 02, 2015, 04:57:00 PM
I may be wrong, but I don't think ANA displays double connections. Don't they have a mulit flight search option?

I was do multi city search. For the ORD-EWR nothing was showing up
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: MosheD on March 23, 2015, 06:29:36 PM
Anyone have experience boking ticket for non family member?
How strict are they?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: talmid chuchem on March 24, 2015, 03:42:43 AM
Not ime
I've had ana hold
Hold on a UA flight?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: talmid chuchem on March 24, 2015, 03:43:51 AM
Waiting for my points to.post, should i put an hold in seats via United?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: MosheD on March 24, 2015, 09:34:21 AM
Hold on a UA flight?

Waiting for my points to.post, should i put an hold in seats via United?
Yes. Would never book anything else through them. Put hold through ana
Putpac ymmv
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: Myccrabbi on March 24, 2015, 09:43:58 PM
I'm trying to add a passenger on my ana account, how do you do it?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: Ez on March 25, 2015, 12:56:03 AM
I'm trying to add a passenger on my ana account, how do you do it?
You have to add their name 1'st as a family member, then you can select them when booking
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: Myccrabbi on March 25, 2015, 12:57:32 AM
You have to add their name 1'st as a family member, then you can select them when booking
Yup!
After 20 min. Of trying to decipher the Japanese codes I successfully added my "bil"
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: Ez on March 25, 2015, 01:00:07 AM
Yup!
After 20 min. Of trying to decipher the Japanese codes I successfully added my "bil"
Now start praying they shouldn't ask you for his birth certificate / marriage license.

(No personal experience, but I heard from others that it can happen)
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: Myccrabbi on March 25, 2015, 01:16:43 AM
Now start praying they shouldn't ask you for his birth certificate / marriage license.

(No personal experience, but I heard from others that it can happen)
It's a united flight and It's ticketed already, should I still be worried?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: ilherman on March 25, 2015, 01:25:13 AM
It's a united flight and It's ticketed already, should I still be worried?
Yes. They ask for proof a lot.... When is the flight for?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: Myccrabbi on March 25, 2015, 01:26:00 AM
Yes. They ask for proof a lot.... When is the flight for?
Next week.
the GA will ask for proof?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: ilherman on March 25, 2015, 01:30:04 AM
Next week.
the GA will ask for proof?
No. If something ANA will let you know that they need proof. But I think that you're close enough to the flight that you don't have to worry.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: Myccrabbi on March 25, 2015, 01:33:30 AM
No. If something ANA will let you know that they need proof. But I think that you're close enough to the flight that you don't have to worry.
It's a stupid domestic flight in y, you think they will make a stink?
Also, if they ask for proof and I don't give it so they cancel the ticket?
Shut the account?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: ilherman on March 25, 2015, 09:34:16 AM
I dont think it is a difference thats it a stupid domestic Y ticket.... i don't think they shut the account, they just cancel the ticket. But again you'll be good.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: moshe28 on March 25, 2015, 10:03:59 AM
Question.   I followed Dan's workaround for searching for star alliance availability on the ANA website despite not having any miles in my account.   That works great,  but assuming i find a flight i want on a partner aitline,  how do i determine what all the taxes and fees and surcharges will be?   Since i have no mileage in my account,  the site won't list these fees but rather just says that i have insufficient miles to book and offers no more info.   I really want an idea of fees before i transfer my amex points there
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: ABC on March 25, 2015, 10:18:14 AM
Question.   I followed Dan's workaround for searching for star alliance availability on the ANA website despite not having any miles in my account.   That works great,  but assuming i find a flight i want on a partner aitline,  how do i determine what all the taxes and fees and surcharges will be?   Since i have no mileage in my account,  the site won't list these fees but rather just says that i have insufficient miles to book and offers no more info.   I really want an idea of fees before i transfer my amex points there
Answer.
I read here on DDF to look on ITA matrix.
But I am not sure how this really works,because ANA can charge you a different amount of fuel for example when booking Austrian then if booking with krisflyer.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: Myccrabbi on March 25, 2015, 11:39:08 AM
No. If something ANA will let you know that they need proof. But I think that you're close enough to the flight that you don't have to worry.
Ok thanks, I'll keep an eye out.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: MosheD on April 01, 2015, 12:43:52 AM
I'm looking at an itin
ewr-lhr (ua)
lhr-fra (lh)
fra-lhr (lh)
lhr-ewr (ua)

1)What will yq be, for united it is low but will the lh flights bring it up? Also only doing this to get out of UK fee- will this work?
2) What I really need is cle-ewr//ewr-lhr//fra-lhr-(ewr-)cle When I try this routing (There is avail for every step) it says I cannot stopover in orgin country. I also got problems with ewr-lhr//fra-lhr-ewr and ewr-lhr-fra-lhr-ewr-cle and even cle-ewr-lhr-fra-lhr-ewr-cle
Suggestions?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: MosheD on April 01, 2015, 12:15:02 PM
I'm looking at an itin
ewr-lhr (ua)
lhr-fra (lh)
fra-lhr (lh)
lhr-ewr (ua)

1)What will yq be, for united it is low but will the lh flights bring it up? Also only doing this to get out of UK fee- will this work?
2) What I really need is cle-ewr//ewr-lhr//fra-lhr-(ewr-)cle When I try this routing (There is avail for every step) it says I cannot stopover in orgin country. I also got problems with ewr-lhr//fra-lhr-ewr and ewr-lhr-fra-lhr-ewr-cle and even cle-ewr-lhr-fra-lhr-ewr-cle
Suggestions?
So here is what I got after calling
EWR-LHR-EWR 63k+$190.80
EWR-LHR-ORD-CLE 68k+$301.80
EWR-LHR//FRA-LHR-EWR 68k+$238.90
EWR-LHR-FRA-LHR-ORD-CLE 68k+$373.80
CLE-LGA/EWR-LHR-ORD-CLE 68k+$307.40
CLE-LGA/EWR-LHR//FRA-LHR-ORD-CLE 68k+$250.10

The answer to 2) is that within departing country you can only have connections NOT stopovers and that you cannot pass through departure city enroute to final dest (hence the change to ORD). ewr-lhr//fra-lhr-ewr worked.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: MosheD on April 02, 2015, 12:57:42 PM
So here is what I got after calling
CLE-LGA/EWR-LHR//FRA-LHR-ORD-CLE 68k+$250.10

k so I would like to hold this but they keep claiming cannot hold if not enough miles in account. (Super dumb rule, as that is exactly what I am trying to accomplish, but I will not tranfer on the chance the maybe avail will still be there 2-3 days later)
So, any suggestions (I know HUCA)? or does anyone have 68k in thier account that doesnt mind holding for me?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: shmooz on April 14, 2015, 05:34:04 PM
Is it just me? I get an error page ('this page cannot be displayed') when clicking 'request international flight awards' that comes up in tiny print on the 'using miles' page. It worked in the past.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: jaywhy on April 14, 2015, 07:59:14 PM
ANA now shows the taxes and YQ without having enough miles in the account.
The search sucks now though :(
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: shmooz on April 14, 2015, 10:25:50 PM
I got it to work, now there is a search from the main page, which didnt exist a while ago.

But still not working 100% for me.

Does anyone know how many miles would a one-way UA TLV-EWR  economy using the workaround be?

Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: MosheD on April 14, 2015, 11:42:34 PM
I got it to work, now there is a search from the main page, which didnt exist a while ago.

But still not working 100% for me.

Does anyone know how many miles would a one-way UA TLV-EWR  economy using the workaround be?

Based on new routing rules not sure it would still work, and even if it did being that it is region based and they only have rt prices it would prob cost rt price
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: Einstein on April 14, 2015, 11:44:44 PM
Cant even get the new website to show english....I dont like the changes :( :(
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: MosheD on April 14, 2015, 11:46:06 PM
Anyway I booked right before deval banking on the fact id be able to change flight (what I always loved about ana). Had to call today to change outbound and system wouldnt let and it was major hassle, but finally got it...Now I get text that ill have to change inbound #frustrated
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: Einstein on April 29, 2015, 05:54:50 PM
Whats with ANA charging YQ on UA?!?!?!? am I missing something!
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: kangarruu on April 29, 2015, 06:46:43 PM
Whats with ANA charging YQ on UA?!?!?!? am I missing something!

UA charges YQ trans-Pacific.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: Einstein on April 29, 2015, 06:48:40 PM
UA charges YQ trans-Pacific.
ahh thank you

what about trans-atlantic?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: kangarruu on April 29, 2015, 06:54:49 PM
ahh thank you

what about trans-atlantic?

No YQ trans-Atlantic. (And I should clarify - United awards don't have YQ. ANA passes along the YQ that United charges trans-Pacific)
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: Einstein on April 29, 2015, 06:58:10 PM
No YQ trans-Atlantic. (And I should clarify - United awards don't have YQ. ANA passes along the YQ that United charges trans-Pacific)
that is not correct, UA does not charge YQ for the same route
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: kangarruu on April 29, 2015, 08:02:25 PM
that is not correct, UA does not charge YQ for the same route

(http://i.imgur.com/fu7TPsY.png)
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: Einstein on April 30, 2015, 12:50:33 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/fu7TPsY.png)
so why does UA not charge that YQ on there own award tickets??
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: D93 on May 18, 2015, 04:49:03 PM
For lack of a better place, figured I'd post this here.

Very solid write up of the new ANA award chart and YQ charges.

http://travelisfree.com/2015/05/18/rocking-the-new-ana-miles-award-chart/
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: Einstein on May 18, 2015, 05:04:40 PM
For lack of a better place, figured I'd post this here.

Very solid write up of the new ANA award chart and YQ charges.

http://travelisfree.com/2015/05/18/rocking-the-new-ana-miles-award-chart/
Great Article thanks!
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: a mirrer on October 06, 2015, 10:29:10 AM
Ana devalues a bit again   :-\
http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.com/2015/10/06/star-alliance-member-and-amexstarwood-transfer-partner-increasing-award-prices-october-15/
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: bestwatchman on October 07, 2015, 11:29:22 AM
What's the quickest way to get 3000 points into my ana account? better routing just opened for my flight. I need to cancel (3000 points) and rebook today! Also, When cancelling, is the point redeposit immediate?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: bestwatchman on October 07, 2015, 11:56:26 AM
ANA free cancellation within 24 hours is only on flights booked on american site. Booked on Japanese site and I'm ......
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: YMW on November 17, 2015, 01:52:26 PM
Transferring from Amex MR to ANA does the names have to match?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: Einstein on November 17, 2015, 10:05:05 PM
Transferring from Amex MR to ANA does the names have to match?
Here is the WIKI dont know if its in there though

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=3419.0
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: YMW on November 17, 2015, 11:51:57 PM
Thanks
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: bamo on December 28, 2015, 05:10:18 PM
Looking to book ANA Business JFK-Warsaw see business open. Round trip is only 88,000 miles. but taxes are over $1,000. Any ideas how I can get around that? 
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: D93 on December 28, 2015, 05:12:42 PM
Looking to book ANA Business JFK-Warsaw see business open. Round trip is only 88,000 miles. but taxes are over $1,000. Any ideas how I can get around that?

LO metal?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: bamo on December 28, 2015, 06:11:39 PM
Sorry... Lo metal..  what does that stand for?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: DMYD on December 28, 2015, 06:16:10 PM
Sorry... Lo metal..  what does that stand for?
If its with Lot Airlines
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: bamo on December 28, 2015, 08:03:20 PM
If its with Lot Airlines
Yes.  It's with LOT
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: DMYD on December 28, 2015, 08:05:43 PM
Yes.  It's with LOT
Don't think YQ is that much with AC
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: bamo on December 28, 2015, 08:19:48 PM
Don't think YQ is that much with AC
Can I book with them online or do I need to call?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: DMYD on December 28, 2015, 08:33:05 PM
Can I book with them online or do I need to call?
Could be done online
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: wonderlust on January 03, 2016, 02:41:47 AM
how long does amex to ANA transfers take?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: Chapshnell on January 03, 2016, 02:47:21 AM
how long does amex to ANA transfers take?

Around 48 hours, maybe a bit less depending when you transfer it in
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: dgordon on January 03, 2016, 12:03:56 PM
I thought for some reason a round trip ticket from Chicago to Aruba would cost me 22,00 miles. According to recent chart, it looks like 55,000. is that correct?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: Chapshnell on January 03, 2016, 12:16:44 PM
I thought for some reason a round trip ticket from Chicago to Aruba would cost me 22,00 miles. According to recent chart, it looks like 55,000. is that correct?

22k is pre deval rate
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: wonderlust on January 03, 2016, 01:22:24 PM
Forgive me for being a n00bie but if I see an award on United in saver is there anyway to hold the ticket (either thru United or ANA) while I transfer from Amex to ANA?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: benjie1305 on January 03, 2016, 01:26:03 PM
Forgive me for being a n00bie but if I see an award on United in saver is there anyway to hold the ticket (either thru United or ANA) while I transfer from Amex to ANA?

I believe with UA nowadays that the only real way to Hold a flight is via Fare Lock which is a service they offer. Kicker is that it ain't free.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: wonderlust on January 03, 2016, 01:33:29 PM
I believe with UA nowadays that the only real way to Hold a flight is via Fare Lock which is a service they offer. Kicker is that it ain't free.
So I can pay united with fare lock to hold a ticket for me to redeem using ANA?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: benjie1305 on January 03, 2016, 01:36:27 PM
So I can pay united with fare lock to hold a ticket for me to redeem using ANA?

If you are redeeming UA for an ANA flight, you can hold the flight on UA with Fare Lock.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: D93 on January 03, 2016, 01:57:21 PM
So I can pay united with fare lock to hold a ticket for me to redeem using ANA?

No
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: wonderlust on January 03, 2016, 05:16:37 PM
If you are redeeming UA for an ANA flight, you can hold the flight on UA with Fare Lock.
But if I want to book  ANA miles on United metal there is no way of holding that? Correct?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: DMYD on January 03, 2016, 05:30:02 PM
But if I want to book  ANA miles on United metal there is no way of holding that? Correct?

No
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: D93 on January 03, 2016, 05:40:26 PM
But if I want to book  ANA miles on United metal there is no way of holding that? Correct?

Correct
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: lifetimedeals on January 20, 2016, 10:44:11 AM
Is it true that you cannot do one way award with ANA  ?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: D93 on January 20, 2016, 10:44:48 AM
Is it true that you cannot do one way award with ANA  ?

Yes
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: lifetimedeals on January 20, 2016, 11:07:10 AM
Booking with ANA might be risky if you have to wait 2-3 days for transfer to complete and then who knows if award will still be there.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: Alex1974 on March 28, 2016, 07:28:39 PM
I'm about to transfer 210,000 miles to ANA. If anyone has this available and doesn't have a chance to use it due to miles expiring, I would be happy to give them 210,000 Amex points in return.
Or, if I transfer them to myself/ANA and can't make the booking due to lost availability, will anyone make use of them/buy them from me?

We can help each other out...

Please let me know.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: high end hobo on June 07, 2016, 03:05:24 AM
In the process of booking TLV-WAW-TLV-IST-NYC stopover HNL.
Can anyone comment on changes once travel has commenced? I want to be able to switch the date (and possibly routing) of my flight to HNL after i land in NYC
I've seen MosheDs comments upthread
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: davidd75 on January 29, 2018, 12:50:38 PM
Payment
Required mileage
130,000Miles
Adult x1,Adult ( 12-15 years ) x1
Total
USD171.24
Current Mileage Balance
0Miles

does this seem correct 171.24 in taxes for two passengers EWR-TLV ROUNDTRIP
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: davidd75 on January 30, 2018, 09:17:30 AM
because for this flight in booked through United United typically approx $55 per person in taxes
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: lubaby on January 30, 2018, 10:40:58 AM
because for this flight in booked through United United typically approx $55 per person in taxes
You're saving 40k points (easily worth $550+) and worried about paying an extra $50 tax?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: davidd75 on January 30, 2018, 12:42:26 PM
You're saving 40k points (easily worth $550+) and worried about paying an extra $50 tax?

not worried just curious why extra taxes when you book using ANA miles?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: Dave321 on June 22, 2018, 06:17:18 PM
Im trying to look up EWR-LHR and its saying no flights. I see the flights available on united. do I need to call?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: Abey on June 22, 2018, 06:23:19 PM
Im trying to look up EWR-LHR and its saying no flights. I see the flights available on united. do I need to call?
Are you logged into United ?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: Ellen on March 24, 2020, 10:15:01 PM
I am sorry if these questions were asked and answered upthread. This thread is so old that I am assuming things have changed.
1. What does ANA charge for change/cancellation fees for booking awards on UA metal?
2. Is there an issue with booking flights for relatives from my ANA account? Will it initiate an audit?
3. Are UA EWR-TLV bookable online (if it is available saver J on United.com) ?

Thanks!
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: US on March 24, 2020, 10:41:24 PM
I am sorry if these questions were asked and answered upthread. This thread is so old that I am assuming things have changed.
1. What does ANA charge for change/cancellation fees for booking awards on UA metal?
2. Is there an issue with booking flights for relatives from my ANA account? Will it initiate an audit?
3. Are UA EWR-TLV bookable online (if it is available saver J on United.com) ?

Thanks!
1. Free Changes, Cancellation will cost you 3000 points (this is the general rule, might be different in the current situation)
2. You would need to register the relative to your account first, see here Here (https://www.ana.co.jp/en/us/amc/reference/tukau/register.html)
3. Yes
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: Ellen on March 25, 2020, 12:09:38 AM
Thanks a lot for your reply.
Cancellation will cost you 3000 points (this is the general rule, might be different in the current situation)
Does that mean that if I would cancel they would redeposit the miles used less 3k points?

Also, regarding the family members, I see on the page you linked that you can book for up to "2nd degree family members". Uncle/nephew is ok?
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: US on March 25, 2020, 02:23:41 AM
See chart from their site.
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: confu on March 29, 2020, 03:08:56 PM


Also, regarding the family members, I see on the page you linked that you can book for up to "2nd degree family members". Uncle/nephew is ok?
Don't think they have a way of checking relationship if tou fly UA
Title: Re: ANA redemption on United
Post by: ltttc on September 08, 2020, 04:21:56 PM
Any way to get ANA mileage expiration extended due to Covid...?