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Title: School Closures
Post by: Kobe Bryant on October 28, 2020, 03:26:48 PM
French President Emanuel Macron will address the nation on coronavirus at 8 p.m. local time (3 p.m. ET). An announcement on a lockdown expected as the countryís cases are rising.
Title: Re: Europe covid cases on the rise and the ensuing lockdowns
Post by: Afrages6 on October 28, 2020, 03:33:24 PM
But schools will stay opened. Only in the US have we decided that schools must be closed.
Title: Re: Europe covid cases on the rise and the ensuing lockdowns
Post by: iluv2travel on October 28, 2020, 03:49:42 PM
Only in the US have we decided that schools must be closed.

Right because we all know schools contribute most to the spread of the virus  ;).
Title: Re: Europe covid cases on the rise and the ensuing lockdowns
Post by: Lurker on October 28, 2020, 04:10:46 PM
But schools will stay opened. Only in the US have we decided that schools must be closed.

How many places in the US have closed schools?
Title: Re: Europe covid cases on the rise and the ensuing lockdowns
Post by: Afrages6 on October 28, 2020, 04:13:41 PM
How many places in the US have closed schools?
California
New York in certain areas
 
I donít know about other areas, just saying we are basically the only country that has decided that schools should be the first to close.
Title: Re: Europe covid cases on the rise and the ensuing lockdowns
Post by: BP16 on October 28, 2020, 04:18:10 PM
How many places in the US have closed schools?
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/health/coronavirus-schools-reopening/
Title: Re: Europe covid cases on the rise and the ensuing lockdowns
Post by: Lurker on October 28, 2020, 04:22:06 PM
California
New York in certain areas
 
I donít know about other areas, just saying we are basically the only country that has decided that schools should be the first to close.

As a country, though, that's just not true. That's like saying the US bans straws and plastic bags.
Title: Re: Europe covid cases on the rise and the ensuing lockdowns
Post by: Lurker on October 28, 2020, 04:22:31 PM
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/health/coronavirus-schools-reopening/

Looks pretty open...
Title: Re: Europe covid cases on the rise and the ensuing lockdowns
Post by: Afrages6 on October 28, 2020, 04:28:05 PM
Looks pretty open...
Sorry, so you want me to just attack Cuomo and Newsom?
Title: Re: Europe covid cases on the rise and the ensuing lockdowns
Post by: Lurker on October 28, 2020, 04:35:14 PM
Sorry, so you want me to just attack Cuomo and Newsom?

Absolutely! You wouldn't want to be called a dumba$$ just because your neighbor eats soup with a fork.
Title: Re: Europe covid cases on the rise and the ensuing lockdowns
Post by: Afrages6 on October 28, 2020, 04:36:31 PM
Absolutely! You wouldn't want to be called a dumba$$ just because your neighbor eats soup with a fork.
Point well taken.
Title: Re: Europe covid cases on the rise and the ensuing lockdowns
Post by: avromie7 on October 28, 2020, 04:46:04 PM
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/health/coronavirus-schools-reopening/
CNN is fake news. The states I'm familiar with are NY & NJ, the overwhelming majority of school districts are closed. By looking at that graph you would think most schools are open.
Title: Re: Europe covid cases on the rise and the ensuing lockdowns
Post by: iluv2travel on October 28, 2020, 04:50:14 PM
How many places in the US have closed schools?

California
New York in certain areas

There's many more (see states with partial closure such as OR, WV, DE.  DC even has full closure ordered). Besides for that, states with No order leave it to the discretion of districts or counties or whatever.  For example, just last week Boston school system, which is quite large, switched to remote. I'm sure there are others like that as well within No order states.
Title: Re: Europe covid cases on the rise and the ensuing lockdowns
Post by: avromie7 on October 28, 2020, 04:52:34 PM
Even in NYC, one of the only major cities to reopen schools, only ~25% of students were ever in a classroom this year.
Title: Re: Europe covid cases on the rise and the ensuing lockdowns
Post by: iluv2travel on October 28, 2020, 04:53:08 PM
As a country, though, that's just not true. That's like saying the US bans straws and plastic bags.

It definitely seems to be the mentality of all or most left leaning states to run to close schools first. Unfortunately, most ppl here live in such states so that's what we're seeing and feeling  ;D.
Title: Re: Europe covid cases on the rise and the ensuing lockdowns
Post by: Lurker on October 28, 2020, 04:57:56 PM
I think a lot of school closures in the US are on a very local level. I don't know that European countries saying they are keeping schools open is any different than Trump saying we're keeping schools open. It's possible there are no closures in the whole Europe, I just haven't seen anything on the subject other than statements from heads of state.
Title: Re: Europe covid cases on the rise and the ensuing lockdowns
Post by: iluv2travel on October 28, 2020, 05:00:58 PM
I think a lot of school closures in the US are on a very local level.

But many of these localities have the largest school population. Chicago also never opened yet for in person learning. So looking at the CNN map gives a totally false impression. Most big cities, if not all, have not had their schools reopen. Besides for FL cities ;).
Title: Re: Europe covid cases on the rise and the ensuing lockdowns
Post by: Lurker on October 28, 2020, 05:02:59 PM
But many of these localities have the largest school population. Chicago also never opened yet for in person learning. So looking at the CNN map gives a totally false impression. Most big cities, if not all, have not had their schools reopen. Besides for FL cities ;).

Again, those are local decisions, not US policy. I don't know that things are any different in Europe. If anyone has data on that, please post it.

*Israel closed schools during their spike. That's the only data I have.
Title: Re: Europe covid cases on the rise and the ensuing lockdowns
Post by: skyguy918 on October 28, 2020, 05:03:48 PM
This discussion seems to be ignoring the fact that in many, many places students are remote only because the parents chose that option. In NYC nearly half of students opted for 100% remote.
Title: Re: Europe covid cases on the rise and the ensuing lockdowns
Post by: avromie7 on October 28, 2020, 05:08:49 PM
This discussion seems to be ignoring the fact that in many, many places students are remote only because the parents chose that option. In NYC nearly half of students opted for 100% remote.
A lot of that is due to fearmongering by government and union officials.
Title: Re: Europe covid cases on the rise and the ensuing lockdowns
Post by: iluv2travel on October 28, 2020, 05:11:46 PM
Again, those are local decisions, not US policy.
I didn't say it was US policy, just a mentality in many many places across the USA.

*Israel closed schools during their spike. That's the only data I have.

That's a start :).

To me Israel's behavior to the chareidi community has been the same or worse than New York's. I understand that the school closures may have been countrywide but there could very well be hidden motivations... Who knows? (Shrug 🤷‍♀️)
Title: Re: Europe covid cases on the rise and the ensuing lockdowns
Post by: iluv2travel on October 28, 2020, 05:14:15 PM
A lot of that is due to fearmongering by government and union officials.

Exactly. One of my employees said they would have loved to opt in for in person learning every day of the week but they were very strongly pushed to opt into remote and they're always complaining about it.
Title: Re: Europe covid cases on the rise and the ensuing lockdowns
Post by: Lurker on October 28, 2020, 05:15:48 PM
A lot of that is due to fearmongering by government and union officials.

Sorry, but you just pulled that out from where the sun don't shine. People have a variety of reasons for choosing remote learning.
Title: Re: Europe covid cases on the rise and the ensuing lockdowns
Post by: avromie7 on October 28, 2020, 05:20:48 PM
Sorry, but you just pulled that out from where the sun don't shine. People have a variety of reasons for choosing remote learning.
Oh come on, I didn't say everyone, but the fact is government and union officials are fighting tooth and nail to keep schools closed and it's propped up by the media.
Title: Re: Europe covid cases on the rise and the ensuing lockdowns
Post by: avromie7 on October 28, 2020, 05:22:31 PM
Sorry, but you just pulled that out from where the sun don't shine. People have a variety of reasons for choosing remote learning.
You're assumption that schools in Europe will be closed just like schools in the US was pulled out from where the sun don't shine.
Title: Re: Europe covid cases on the rise and the ensuing lockdowns
Post by: Lurker on October 28, 2020, 05:25:25 PM
You're assumption that schools in Europe will be closed just like schools in the US was pulled out from where the sun don't shine.

I didn't assume that at all. I asked for data. All I said was I'm assuming nothing from a country-wide policy.

Oh come on, I didn't say everyone, but the fact is government and union officials are fighting tooth and nail to keep schools closed and it's propped up by the media.

What does that have to do with people opting for remote learning?
Title: Re: Europe covid cases on the rise and the ensuing lockdowns
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 28, 2020, 05:28:13 PM
Oh come on, I didn't say everyone, but the fact is government and union officials are fighting tooth and nail to keep schools closed and it's propped up by the media.
I havenít been following closely but I believe Germany and Ireland are keeping schools open while shutting down most of everything else. I think France & Italy are closing schools too.
Title: Re: Europe covid cases on the rise and the ensuing lockdowns
Post by: avromie7 on October 28, 2020, 05:28:32 PM
I didn't assume that at all. I asked for data. All I said was I'm assuming nothing from a country-wide policy.

What does that have to do with people opting for remote learning?
You're the one making the claim that schools are really closed, the onus is on you to bring the evidence.

I've been listening to the media in the NYC area for a long time, if I didn't know otherwise I'd think it's really dangerous for schools to be open and the ones who are opening schools have blood on their hands.
Title: Re: Europe covid cases on the rise and the ensuing lockdowns
Post by: Lurker on October 28, 2020, 05:33:37 PM
You're the one making the claim that schools are really closed, the onus is on you to bring the evidence.

What are you on? Where did I make that claim?
Title: Re: Europe covid cases on the rise and the ensuing lockdowns
Post by: avromie7 on October 28, 2020, 05:59:14 PM
What are you on? Where did I make that claim?
I think a lot of school closures in the US are on a very local level. I don't know that European countries saying they are keeping schools open is any different than Trump saying we're keeping schools open. It's possible there are no closures in the whole Europe, I just haven't seen anything on the subject other than statements from heads of state.
Again, those are local decisions, not US policy. I don't know that things are any different in Europe. If anyone has data on that, please post it.

*Israel closed schools during their spike. That's the only data I have.
Title: Re: Europe covid cases on the rise and the ensuing lockdowns
Post by: Lurker on October 28, 2020, 06:10:02 PM


In both of those posts, you'll see the words "I don't know." Let me translate for you: ANI LO YODEAH. ICH VAIST NISCHT. YO NO SE.

All I was saying was we're comparing apples to oranges. Schools in the US are open on a National level. They are then ruled by state, county, and city/local laws and regulations. I DO NOT KNOW how things work in Europe, but it would make sense to me if they have similar, more localized, structure in place. If someone has data on that, we can compare.
Title: Re: School Closures
Post by: Something Fishy on October 28, 2020, 06:15:17 PM
Thread title updated ::)
Title: Re: School Closures
Post by: Afrages6 on October 28, 2020, 07:00:28 PM
Thread title updated ::)
Sorry
Title: Re: School Closures
Post by: Kobe Bryant on November 18, 2020, 02:38:17 PM
New York Cityís entire public school system will shutter on Thursday, Chancellor Richard A. Carranza wrote in an email to school principals, in a worrisome signal that a second wave of the coronavirus has arrived. Schools have been open for in-person instruction for just under eight weeks.

The shutdown ó which was prompted by the city reaching a 3 percent test positivity rate over a seven-day rolling average ó is perhaps the most significant setback for New Yorkís recovery since the spring, when the city was a global epicenter of the outbreak.
Title: Re: School Closures
Post by: mercaz1 on November 18, 2020, 03:53:28 PM
does this affect private schools?
Title: Re: School Closures
Post by: mochjas on November 18, 2020, 03:53:52 PM
does this affect private schools?
no
Title: Re: School Closures
Post by: iluv2travel on November 18, 2020, 04:27:11 PM
no

We hope so. You never know with Cuomo.
Title: Re: School Closures
Post by: Abebee on November 18, 2020, 04:37:18 PM
does this affect private schools?
Private school fall under Cuomo, lets wait and see.
Title: Re: School Closures
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 18, 2020, 09:45:16 PM
A delta between public and private schools isn't sustainable. More likely that private schools will close than public schools will open. The numbers aren't going down anytime soon.
Title: Re: School Closures
Post by: drosenberg88429 on November 18, 2020, 09:49:02 PM
Private schools are gonna have a fit. 2 weeks ago he was pushing a surgical approach when our numbers were a bit worse than the region, and now suddenly that our numbers are better he's pushing a nondiscriminatory nuclear approach.
Title: Re: School Closures
Post by: yzj on November 18, 2020, 10:03:33 PM
A delta between public and private schools isn't sustainable. More likely that private schools will close than public schools will open. The numbers aren't going down anytime soon.
Tough call. Everyone knows that the public school closures are a union cave in that is not based on science by any account (public schools have a positivity rate well under 1%) and is harming the students. De Blasio and Cuomo boxed themselves into a corner when they negotiated with the unions months ago. Itís unlikely there will be any appetite to close private schools unless numbers rise dramatically.