You left out "widespread fraud committed by state level Democrats"
Such as the PA SOS illegally giving Democrat activists access to records of ballots that were not properly signed, so that said activists could track down the voters and fix the ballot.I don't know if that happened, I don't if it's illegal, I condone it 100% if it was, but I strongly doubt that swinged the election in PA, much less the country. Also ask yourself if it cancels out against ballots USPS had and didn't deliver contrary to court order, although I would imagine that's not an issue in PA that's accepting ballots until Nov 6.
I don't know if that happened, I don't if it's illegal, I condone it 100% if it was, but I strongly doubt that swinged the election in PA, much less the country. Also ask yourself if it cancels out against ballots USPS had and didn't deliver contrary to court order, although I would imagine that's not an issue in PA that's accepting ballots until Nov 6.I assume you meant to say condemn.
I assume you meant to say condemn.Yeah my bad
Such as the PA SOS illegally giving Democrat activists access to records of ballots that were not properly signed, so that said activists could track down the voters and fix the ballot.Rick Santorum just said on CNN its impossible to fix a ballot in PA?
Curious how prevalent the conspiracy theory is.
Just curious about the poll options. Is it only democrats that are capable of fraud? Or is that merely a reflection of you expectation that Biden won/wins?Biden won. So far the only documented case of documented fraud is a Republican lady in Clark but we dont let facts get in the way
Biden won. So far the only documented case of documented fraud is a Republican lady in Clark but we dont let facts get in the wayFeelings don't care about your facts
I don't know if that happened, I don't if it's illegal, I condone it 100% if it was, but I strongly doubt that swinged the election in PA, much less the country. Also ask yourself if it cancels out against ballots USPS had and didn't deliver contrary to court order, although I would imagine that's not an issue in PA that's accepting ballots until Nov 6.Even if legal it is an issue if (keyword) that was allowed for only one side.
Even if legal it is an issue if (keyword) that was allowed for only one side.
The other side didnt have endless such mail-in ballots in the first place.Maybe
I don't know if that happened, I don't if it's illegal, I condone it 100% if it was,
Should you be opining on something you don't know about (and don't seem to care enough to research)?So I searched. 93 votes at most. Bush appointed judge leaning to say its legal. Give me a break
Rick Santorum just said on CNN its impossible to fix a ballot in PA?
Biden didn't steal the elections,FTFYTrumpChina gifted it to him.
Why werent republicans in philly allowed inside to watch the counting? Was there a reason given?
@PlatinumGuy how about WI having 90% voter turnout? Some counties having more votes then registered voters? MI having an overnight count of all 138k going to 1 party? Any video with evidence of Fraud being censored by Big tech?https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/wisconsin-more-votes-than-voters/
CovidSeriously?
Is that also why they covered all the windows?
Seriously?Guys quick help me cover all these windows so they don't see all this fraud we're doing.
Is that also why they covered all the windows?
Why werent republicans in philly allowed inside to watch the counting? Was there a reason given?
1/ ALRIGHT Y'ALL. ELECTION FRAUD DEBUNKING MEGA THREAD. I’m following claims of fraud and looking into them. I think I’ve solved most now. Nothing is holding up under any scrutiny so far so I’m making a thread to track in one place. Please RT! #ElectionResults2020 #Election2020
— Isaac Saul (@Ike_Saul) November 5, 2020
The idea that there could be large scale fraud with conspiracy from so many parties without worrying that even one person will rat out the operation? Come on.This is the problem with nearly all conspiracy theories. You can't expect that many people to keep a secret.
How many were in already?Been wanting to post about the pair system but couldn't find good sources. That thread does a fantastic job.
Here is a thread that goes through many of the claims, there are others, but most are absurd on their face1/ ALRIGHT Y'ALL. ELECTION FRAUD DEBUNKING MEGA THREAD. I’m following claims of fraud and looking into them. I think I’ve solved most now. Nothing is holding up under any scrutiny so far so I’m making a thread to track in one place. Please RT! #ElectionResults2020 #Election2020
— Isaac Saul (@Ike_Saul) November 5, 2020
The idea that there could be large scale fraud with conspiracy from so many parties without worrying that even one person will rat out the operation? Come on.
This is the problem with nearly all conspiracy theories. You can't expect that many people to keep a secret.
I don't think the election was stolen (I'm personally of the opinion that anyone who wins an election while getting creamed in the popular vote has borderline stolen an election on a technicality and has defied the voice of the people that grants the leader of a democracy legitimacy), but I do think that any reasonable person has to agree that the likelihood of there being hundreds of thousands of illegitimate ballots or ballots cast in other people's names is very high.I'm personally of the opinion that you skipped out on class when it came to civic studies.
I don't think the election was stolen (I'm personally of the opinion that anyone who wins an election while getting creamed in the popular vote has borderline stolen an election on a technicality and has defied the voice of the people that grants the leader of a democracy legitimacy), but I do think that any reasonable person has to agree that the likelihood of there being hundreds of thousands of illegitimate ballots or ballots cast in other people's names is very high.We should be grateful it was corrected this time around.
🚨 A post office in suburban Philly is STILL COLLECTING BALLOTS!
— Mike Roman (@mikeroman) November 6, 2020
“It’s gonna be a big lawsuit blah blah blah blah blah” pic.twitter.com/82C4Umw20L
Legal!🚨 A post office in suburban Philly is STILL COLLECTING BALLOTS!
— Mike Roman (@mikeroman) November 6, 2020
“It’s gonna be a big lawsuit blah blah blah blah blah” pic.twitter.com/82C4Umw20L
Legal!To collect or to count?
To collect or to count?Both as long as they arrive by Nov 6. SCOTUS 4-4 left that intact
Both as long as they arrive by Nov 6. SCOTUS 4-4 left that intactWow, I wouldn't think something like that would make sense...
Wow, I wouldn't think something like that would make sense...NC is keeping radio silence but theyre counting ballots received until Nov 12
Legal!So Trump can still win PA if he can get to harvest enough ballots?
So Trump can still win PA if he can get to harvest enough ballots?Law enforcement will catch anything that big but yeah.
Insane IMHO.
Every legally cast vote should be counted. Every illegally cast vote should not. End of story.
— Ben Shapiro (@benshapiro) November 6, 2020
In Wisconsin 49K people voted for a Republican House candidate down ballot but DID NOT vote for Trump.
— Justin Hart (@justin_hart) November 5, 2020
Meanwhile, 64K people voted for Biden and did NOT vote for a Democrat house candidate.
Also, 14,952 people DID NOT vote for a house candidate and just voted for Prez.
Ok. pic.twitter.com/dCR5bhBefb
Georgia is controlled by the R's but the D's stole the election. ::)Not too many around here are saying he stole the election, only a handful. I'm assuming you weren't born yet in 2016 when there was a whole lot of crying.
I have never seen so much crying in my life.
You got conned by one of the best conman of all time so don't be to hard on yourself!!!
Now he is drinking the kool-aid. I didn't see he that coming.Every legally cast vote should be counted. Every illegally cast vote should not. End of story.
— Ben Shapiro (@benshapiro) November 6, 2020
Now he is drinking the kool-aid. I didn't see he that coming.Which part do you disagree with?
Not too many around here are saying he stole the election, only a handful. I'm assuming you weren't born yet in 2016 when there was a whole lot of crying.They were crying because he won and there was a ton of it. The crying now is because they think the election was stolen.
They were crying because he won and there was a ton of it. The crying now is because they think the election was stolen.I guess you really weren't born yet in 2016
Which part do you disagree with?The part were he is repeating the WH line claiming the election was stolen. Now if you don't think that is his point then I have a bridge to sell you.
2. The Trump lawyers are gathering witnesses and affidavits as I write. And apparently there’s a very serious level of fraud in Philadelphia and other areas.https://t.co/FcoOdCfS1K
— Mark R. Levin (@marklevinshow) November 6, 2020
I guess you really weren't born yet in 2016No I was born in a time when no matter how much you were against someone you were still capable of looking at something objectively.
The part were he is repeating the WH line claiming the election was stolen. Now if you don't think that is his point then I have a bridge to sell you.It's not. His point was there was no widespread fraud and Biden will be president. Read some of his other tweets and listen to his podcast. You are making incorrect assumptions
No I was born in a time when no matter how much you were against someone you were still capable of looking at something objectively.Granted, so you must have been on vacation in 2016.
It's not. His point was there was no widespread fraud and Biden will be president. Read some of his other tweets and listen to his podcast. You are making incorrect assumptionsWhen you repeat the WH line of course an assumption will be made. I have seen enough of his tweets to know he is not fair and balanced.
No I was born in a time when no matter how much you were against someone you were still capable of looking at something objectively.everything besides for Trump 🙄
When you repeat the WH line of course an assumption will be made. I have seen enough of his tweets to know he is not fair and balanced.
Does he have a tweet where he states the election was not stolen?
I don't buy every claim of voter fraud I see on social media, and you shouldn't either. But neither do I dismiss election fraud as a concept outright, especially with PA accepting mail in ballots three days later. The only way to ensure fairness and restore trust is to litigate.
— Matt Walsh (@MattWalshBlog) November 6, 2020
everything besides for Trump 🙄Especially with Trump but as long as you keep drinking the kool-aid you will never see it. I really feel bad for all of you that have been conned and still don't know it.
Does anyone here follow project veritas?yes.
Georgia is controlled by the R's but the D's stole the election. ::)
The counting is done by county board of elections.Thanks for proving my point. Overwhelmingly R's!!!
Thanks for proving my point. Overwhelmingly R's!!!there is no massive blue wave anywhere. nothing is massive here. we all need to look in the mirror and figure out how we can all act like adults for the good of this country and not just play politics
Remember the D's complained the governorship was stolen by the R's in control. That was BS just as this is BS!!!
Look all over the country. There is a massive blue wave with the mail in votes even in controlled R states. Stop drinking the kool-aid and wake up.
there is no massive blue wave anywhere. nothing is massive here. we all need to look in the mirror and figure out how we can all act like adults for the good of this country and not just play politicsYou missed the point. The blue wave is the mail in votes. They are going 80%+ for Biden. If you count them last of course Biden will come back. This isn't rocket science.
They were crying because he won and there was a ton of it. The crying now is because they think the election was stolen.
Bad memory? Not my president! Trump didnt win the popular vote and the electoral vote is a scam, hes illegitimate, Trump colluded with Russia to steal the election, what rock have you been hiding under?I am talking about the members here. Not the nut jobs at the both ends of the spectrum out there.
Before you squeeze out some narrow difference, just accept the fact that the most crying youve ever heard is in 2016. Im hopeful 2020 crying will not last long.
Thanks for proving my point. Overwhelmingly R's!!!You raise a good point. Where were all the media folks to tell us how dangerous it was when Stacy Abrams was undermining faith in the elections?
Remember the D's complained the governorship was stolen by the R's in control. That was BS just as this is BS!!!
Look all over the country. There is a massive blue wave with the mail in votes even in controlled R states. Stop drinking the kool-aid and wake up.
I am talking about the members here. Not the nut jobs at the both ends of the spectrum out there.
You ever see me say Trump wasn't my president? Just the opposite. On many occasions I said he is my/our/everyone's president.
You raise a good point. Where were all the media folks to tell us how dangerous it was when Stacy Abrams was undermining faith in the elections?Most of the media slants left so they backed up here position. The right media called her claim BS.
If youre talking about DDFers of course you havent seen them cry more in 2016. But perhaps if you were around in 2008 ;DWas it really this bad back then? They didn't claim he didn't win the election. They did try and say he wasn't an American but that was based in racism.
You raise a good point. Where were all the media folks to tell us how dangerous it was when Stacy Abrams was undermining faith in the elections?Meh, not a great comparison. What is termed voter suppression is often perfectly legal. The undermining is that it's not a fair system, not that the system is not being adhered to. D's generally go after the latter, while Trump is now attacking the former.
Legal!No way!! Ballots can not be accepted by USPS after election day and still be counted in ANY state!
Thanks for proving my point. Overwhelmingly R's!!!
The Fulton county board of elections is overwhelmingly Republican? That's news to me.The counties in the state. ::)
The counties in the state. ::)
Right, but Biden's votes didn't come from those counties, they came from counties run by Democrats.You might want to check but he is winning in all mail in votes no matter which county it is in.
Here is a list of 14+ thousand dead people who voted in Wayne County (Detroit): https://t.co/qbdeHhcemU
— Phocaean Dionysius (@PhocaeanD) November 6, 2020
Here is the website where you can verify it: https://t.co/9DhgllewyB
#23 CLAUDIA,MILLER,1918,48234 (You have to guess-check the month of birth)
Go try it out. pic.twitter.com/Yi0E7fGXFP
Did anyone fact check this? I don't see anywhere, but looks conspiracy theory type.Didn't look at.Here is a list of 14+ thousand dead people who voted in Wayne County (Detroit): https://t.co/qbdeHhcemU
— Phocaean Dionysius (@PhocaeanD) November 6, 2020
Here is the website where you can verify it: https://t.co/9DhgllewyB
#23 CLAUDIA,MILLER,1918,48234 (You have to guess-check the month of birth)
Go try it out. pic.twitter.com/Yi0E7fGXFP
Did anyone fact check this? I don't see anywhere, but looks conspiracy theory type.I checked numbers 100, 101, and 102 on the list, it saysHere is a list of 14+ thousand dead people who voted in Wayne County (Detroit): https://t.co/qbdeHhcemU
— Phocaean Dionysius (@PhocaeanD) November 6, 2020
Here is the website where you can verify it: https://t.co/9DhgllewyB
#23 CLAUDIA,MILLER,1918,48234 (You have to guess-check the month of birth)
Go try it out. pic.twitter.com/Yi0E7fGXFP
No way!! Ballots can not be accepted by USPS after election day and still be counted in ANY state!I thought the video shows them handling ballots they already have.
I thought the video shows them handling ballots they already have.That's not what I understood to be happening.
Curious when someone here says "fact checked" - how is something like this, or other claims, fact checked? Are we the FBI or CIA? Or does fact checked mean it isn't seen on popular news sites? Isn't the media fake news that can't be trusted anyway?Many use this site that seems to be fair.
I'm confused.
Did anyone fact check this? I don't see anywhere, but looks conspiracy theory type.Why would you post it without doing some fact checking yourself? Do you not see how that's part of the problem?Here is a list of 14+ thousand dead people who voted in Wayne County (Detroit): https://t.co/qbdeHhcemU
— Phocaean Dionysius (@PhocaeanD) November 6, 2020
Here is the website where you can verify it: https://t.co/9DhgllewyB
#23 CLAUDIA,MILLER,1918,48234 (You have to guess-check the month of birth)
Go try it out. pic.twitter.com/Yi0E7fGXFP
Why would you post it without doing some fact checking yourself?I will take a gallon of gas for $100 Alex. :)
You might want to check but he is winning in all mail in votes no matter which county it is in.Hmmm, maybe because its easier to do fraud thru the mail 🙄
Mail in voting isn't a blue wave it is a tsunami.
Hmmm, maybe because its easier to do fraud thru the mail 🙄It is Friday so I expect the kool-aid.
Why can't the voting system be tied to the ssn? I never registered to pay tax I still gotta pay, why shouldn't I be able to vote on the same basis?Privacy issues. Whatever that means.
Many use this site that seems to be fair.snopes is a liberal site funded by the likes of sorres under the guise of being independent, not to be trusted anything it says just like you
https://www.snopes.com/
Is this "conspiracy type" as well? Asking seriously.It is 100% false. DHS has no part in printing ballots, the ballots are printed by the states or counties.
I've been hearing about DHS watermarking & barcoding ballots to identify fraud, if there was any. Claim is that although each state prints its own ballots, paper is supplied by DHS.
Curious when someone here says "fact checked" - how is something like this, or other claims, fact checked? Are we the FBI or CIA? Or does fact checked mean it isn't seen on popular news sites? Isn't the media fake news that can't be trusted anyway?
I'm confused.
Many use this site that seems to be fair.Snopes is a partisan hack. Unfortunately all "fact checkers" are partisan.
https://www.snopes.com/
Privacy issues. Whatever that means.National registry of people and numbering them is critical for an authoritarian regime. Forcing people to be numbered is a bit like taking away their right to bear arms. Social Security kinds makes that pointless but that's the theory. Many less libertarian countries like Israel have National ID numbers.
Didn't look at.
https://www.snopes.com/
snopes is a liberal site funded by the likes of sorres under the guise of being independent, not to be trusted anything it says just like youI love Fridays. Tell us how you really feel about me? :P
Snopes is a partisan hack. Unfortunately all "fact checkers" are partisan.Then PUOSU what they get wrong.
Amazing how everybody is focusing on discrediting the person with the opposite views.
Nobody asked you to trust snopes. Just have a look there to get the opposite argument and decide on the merits.
Then PUOSU what they get wrong.
Many use this site that seems to be fair.You claimed it's fair and I called you out on it, don't go attacking me now.
https://www.snopes.com/
Amazing how everybody is focusing on discrediting the person with the opposite views.Oh, a different DDFer just said snopes is fair I guess it depends who you ask
Nobody asked you to trust snopes. Just have a look there to get the opposite argument and decide on the merits.
Amazing how everybody is focusing on discrediting the person with the opposite views.
Nobody asked you to trust snopes. Just have a look there to get the opposite argument and decide on the merits.
You claimed it's fair and I called you out on it, don't go attacking me now.I see nothing wrong with their analysis. You claim they are a hack. Can you point me to some of their info you take issue with. This is called PUOSU! :)
I see nothing wrong with their analysis. You claim they are a hack. Can you point me to some of their info you take issue with. This is called PUOSU! :)I dont think Ive ever been on the site before in my life, I was just pointing out the discrepancy Between you saying its fair and the other liberal DDFer here admitting that its liberal
I dont think Ive ever been on the site before in my life, I was just pointing out the discrepancy Between you saying its fair and the other liberal DDFer here admitting that its liberalYou can be liberal and fair. You can also be conservative and fair. I expect ACB to back me up on this.
This is a real vid, check the actual county source for location verification.Someone explain this? pic.twitter.com/b1kUf9Xhi2
— Mike (@FuctupMike) November 6, 2020
I received multiple ballots in the mail. More than one ballot in my name, plus multiple ballots of people who no longer live at address. I only filled out one. I left the others intact. I could have given the others to someone else to fill out and would have never gotten caught. The only likely way of getting caught is with handwriting analysis, which they'd only compare the ballots delivered to my door with each other, and once they see that I didnt fill them out, I'd be off the hook. No real risk on my part. Nothing stopping anyone from doing this and multiplying there vote by a lot. The system is so messed up.+10000
+10000
Ive been saying this all along, Ive been telling people that the worst thing that would happen is that they would notice that you voted twice and disqualify both votes. But there is no chance for any fine or jail time as you can always deny it was you. How can they prove that it was you who filled out the other ballots?
Why would you post it without doing some fact checking yourself? Do you not see how that's part of the problem?Because I can post it here and have someone do it. :P
+10000
Ive been saying this all along, Ive been telling people that the worst thing that would happen is that they would notice that you voted twice and disqualify both votes. But there is no chance for any fine or jail time as you can always deny it was you. How can they prove that it was you who filled out the other ballots?
It is 100% false. DHS has no part in printing ballots, the ballots are printed by the states or counties. Snopes is a partisan hack. Unfortunately all "fact checkers" are partisan.Fact checking is a form of opinion journalism.
In many states someone had to request those ballots thus making it harder for fraud, I believe PA and GA was of those states.
in ny for example, u had to request the ballot, but only needed a name and birthdate to request, so u could request for anyone, u didnt even need to register an email address or username...Yes, then they mail it to the known address of the fellow requesting the ballot.. do you see how it might be hard to commit widespread fraud?
?s=21From the Republican sheriff of Spalding County: NO ballots were found in a dumpster in Griffin, Georgia despite viral social media posts. pic.twitter.com/mFSidQKEwj
— Brendan Keefe (@BrendanKeefe) November 6, 2020
Trumps overall support in Detroit: 2016 3.11% 2020 5.06%.
?s=21For all the consternation about the Philadelphia count on the right at the moment, Trump's on track to fare better in Philadelphia than he did four years ago, likely due gains among nonwhite voters like those elsewhere in the country
— Nate Cohn (@Nate_Cohn) November 6, 2020
?s=21Based on correspondence and conversations with Maricopa County officials, we are now confident that the use of Sharpie markers did not result in disenfranchisement for Arizona voters. We appreciate the county’s prompt insight and assurances to address public concerns. pic.twitter.com/NdYLsEAvwd
— Mark Brnovich (@GeneralBrnovich) November 6, 2020
You might want to check but he is winning in all mail in votes no matter which county it is in.a tsunami of fraud true
Mail in voting isn't a blue wave it is a tsunami.
a tsunami of fraud trueSource?
?s=21For all of the disinformation floating around, turnout in Milwaukee appears to have been remarkably flat, and Trump actually won a higher vote share there vs. 2016:
— Dave Wasserman (@Redistrict) November 6, 2020
2016: Clinton 188,653 (77%), Trump 45,167 (18%)
2020: Biden 194,646 (79%), Trump 48,413 (20%)
a tsunami of fraud true
a tsunami of fraud trueKeep drinking the kool-aid.
If the D's stole all these state elections why didn't they do it in FL?Republican controlled.
Republican controlled.Isn't Georgia R controlled? :)
Nobody on a state level will investigate in a democrat controlled state which allows someone to play around without fear of prosecution.
Over the next few days, we’re going to hear all about how this election was terribly managed. It wasn’t. @electionland had 500 reporters across the country watching this closely: this is the best administered election I have ever seen. A stunning achievement for this country.
— Jessica Huseman (@JessicaHuseman) November 7, 2020
Count Valentine mamesh a mamzerI'm not following this conversation, but that was uncalled for.
I'm not following this conversation, but that was uncalled for.Have no idea what it means but going to assume I have been called worse. :)
Have no idea what it means but going to assume I have been called worse. :)I doubt it ;D
Source?a poll watcher on the ground in Michigan live . And of course the liberal media says it was legit what a surprise. Of course the judges that denied the lawsuits because they were appointed by Obama and if you see the logic why they did it should make you cringe
a poll watcher on the ground in Michigan live . And of course the liberal media says it was legit what a surprise. Of course the judges that denied the lawsuits because they were appointed by Obama and if you see the logic why they did it should make you cringeSome of the judges not allowing these frivolous suits were appointed by R's.
If the D's stole all these state elections why didn't they do it in FL?how about because most of the counting was done that night , where as magic in middle of the night in the states that sleepy needed to win 100ks of votes show up and places like Wisconsin, Nevada which had above 90% turnout when the average was 60% just to knock out a president they hate very believable
Some of the judges not allowing these frivolous suits were appointed by R's.name them besides not always being elected by Republicans does it mean there not liberal for example Roberts, O'Connor
Experts Call For 15 Days Of Counting To Flatten The Curve Of Votes For Trump https://t.co/e8PQQ7BwQq
— The Babylon Bee (@TheBabylonBee) November 5, 2020
name them besides not always being elected by Republicans does it mean there not liberal for example Roberts, O'ConnorWhy waste my time when you are just drinking the kool-aid?
Count Valentine mamesh a mamzerMods please
Mods pleaseEveryone has a right to there opinion.
Mods please
Everyone has a right to there opinion.No excuse for that kind of language. Should not be allowed here.
I promise not to use this to play the victim here. :)
@Lurker
Shavua tov everyoneOver the next few days, we’re going to hear all about how this election was terribly managed. It wasn’t. @electionland had 500 reporters across the country watching this closely: this is the best administered election I have ever seen. A stunning achievement for this country.
— Jessica Huseman (@JessicaHuseman) November 7, 2020
Silly claim if these observers observed in-person voting sites. Regardless of whether the merits of mail-in ballot fraud or counting fraud are true or not, you cant refute them by observing in person voting.She's talking about efficiency, not integrity.
She's talking about efficiency, not integrity.
The claims are not going to be about whether voting sites were well managed. Cmon man.I'm not supporting her claim, just explaining it.
My personal location was a mess when I arrived early on ED to vote. There were conflicting messages from the people working there and some of the employees sent people who waited on one line into another door that led to nowhere (out another door to the back of the line). So much for their 500 reporters and well managed.
I'm not supporting her claim, just explaining it.
Why waste my time when you are just drinking the kool-aid?nothing like a liberal when it comes to facts and has nothing and all of the sudden he's wasting his time because all he's other messages aren't. To all people with a open brain check out corruption in Michigan and Pennsylvania there's plenty of video evidence, witnesses as more time goes on more will come out including the corrupt governors of those states
nothing like a liberal when it comes to facts and has nothing and all of the sudden he's wasting his time because all he's other messages aren't. To all people with a open brain check out corruption in Michigan and Pennsylvania there's plenty of video evidence, witnesses as more time goes on more will come out including the corrupt governors of those statesAny R appointed judge I post you will have your kool-aid spin.
a poll watcher on the ground in Michigan live . And of course the liberal media says it was legit what a surprise. Of course the judges that denied the lawsuits because they were appointed by Obama and if you see the logic why they did it should make you cringe
nothing like a liberal when it comes to facts and has nothing and all of the sudden he's wasting his time because all he's other messages aren't. To all people with a open brain check out corruption in Michigan and Pennsylvania there's plenty of video evidence, witnesses as more time goes on more will come out including the corrupt governors of those statesIf theres plenty of evidence of widespread fraud, please post it. Id love to see what youre talking about.
If theres plenty of evidence of widespread fraud, please post it. Id love to see what youre talking about.
The PA SC wrote that they can only change the deadline for receiving ballots if they found it unconstitutional (or if a problem arose on the day of the election).So then let the court undo it? They are appealable.
The law that set that deadline was the same law that allowed mail in voting in the first place.
The law explicitly said that if any part of the law was found unconstitutional, then the whole law is invalid.
4 Judges who were elected as Democrats illegally changed the rules of an election to benefit Biden. If that's not widespread enough for you, I'm not sure what is.
So then let the court undo it? They are appealable.Not nearly enough votes in question, hence why it's not widespread
If theres plenty of evidence of widespread fraud, please post it. Id love to see what youre talking about.
Do I have to want to believe in order to believe?
Not nearly enough votes in question, hence why it's not widespreadagreed
SCOTUS already ruled to segregate these votes in the meantime.
So then let the court undo it? They are appealable.
Not nearly enough votes in question, hence why it's not widespread
Not nearly enough votes in question, hence why it's not widespread
SCOTUS already ruled to segregate these votes in the meantime.
On day three of contested Election results, Chris Salcedo can't believe the 'hilarity' of liberal arguments he's seeing. https://t.co/VlT7z8drtO pic.twitter.com/AL7s30qInI
— Newsmax (@newsmax) November 6, 2020
Totally disagree: Some states are so close dont think it will be too hard to findHe was referencing a specific PA SC ruling that doesn't impact enough votes.
that many fraudulent ballots
Georgia- 10k
Wisconsin- 20k
Nevada- 30k
Pennsylvania-40k
He was referencing a specific PA SC ruling that doesn't impact enough votes.A specific case not widespread LOL
You forgot Arizona. It's nearly impossible to invalidate fraudulent votes (you have to prove who they voted for)
Not nearly enough votes in question, hence why it's not widespread
SCOTUS already ruled to segregate these votes in the meantime.
I heard that penn didnt listen to that ruling and yesterday scotus had to order them again to keep them separateSCOTUS doesn't order 'again'. You heard wrongly.
SCOTUS doesn't order 'again'. You heard wrongly.
SCOTUS doesn't order 'again'. You heard wrongly.the fact that he had to do it in the first place proves the point, and how the da has a job after saying if every vote is counted trump will lose is beyond me I'd love someone to argue with me on that point to prove how little logic some people have here
SCOTUS doesn't order 'again'. You heard wrongly.Very possible, but it wasnt on purposely
Any R appointed judge I post you will have your kool-aid spin.still waiting you'll probably find one of ten and point to that one vigorously
PA told SCOTUS before the election that the votes would be segregated and SCOTUS relied on that statement.
After the election, it was unclear if PA was actually keeping the ballots separate, so SCOTUS ordered that they do so.
In addition, the Courts denial of the motion to expedite is not a denial of a request for this Court to order that ballots received after election day be segregated so that if the State Supreme Courts decision is ultimately overturned, a targeted remedy will be available. Petitioner represents that it will apply to this Court to ob- tain that modest relief, Reply in Support of Motion for Ex- pedited Review 3, and Respondent DPP agrees that such relief is appropriate, Opp. to Motion for Expedited Review
7. Although the Pennsylvania Supreme Court rejected Pe- titioners request for that relief, we have been informed by the Pennsylvania Attorney General that the Secretary of the Commonwealth issued guidance today directing county boards of elections to segregate ballots received between 8:00 p.m. on November 3, 2020, and 5:00 p.m. on November 6, 2020. Nothing in the Courts order today precludes Petitioner from applying to this Court for relief if, for some reason, it is not satisfied with the Secretarys guidance.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/support-richard-hopkins-the-erie-pa-whistleblowerGotta say this is brilliant. Can't believe GoFundMe is allowing this after the wall fiasco.
Looks like somebody is trying to make a quick buck...
Gotta say this is brilliant. Can't believe GoFundMe is allowing this after the wall fiasco.They're probably all out dancing in SF...
So far, 60 percent of DDFers believe that this election was stolen from Trump. I know that there are some conspiracy theorists here, but most of us are balanced enough that you cannot disregard 60 percent of DDF.All it takes is common sense!
All it takes is common sense!
Pennsylvania- 600k+ additional votes vs 2016 election
Michigan- 600k+ additional votes vs 2016
Wisconsin- 400k+ a additional votes vs 2016
Nevada - 200k+ additional votes vs 2016
Arizona- 800k+ additional votes vs 2016 (500k more votes for Biden vs Hilary)!!
We know that turnout was through the roof, but these #s??!!? How can anyone NOT question it??
All it takes is common sense!Turnout growth in these states is lower than Texas and other states that Trump won. How can anybody NOT realize that?
Pennsylvania- 600k+ additional votes vs 2016 election
Michigan- 600k+ additional votes vs 2016
Wisconsin- 400k+ a additional votes vs 2016
Nevada - 200k+ additional votes vs 2016
Arizona- 800k+ additional votes vs 2016 (500k more votes for Biden vs Hilary)!!
We know that turnout was through the roof, but these #s??!!? How can anyone NOT question it??
Its perfectly fine to have questions, but you have to be willing to hear answers you may not like.Agree! You won't hear me saying there was cheating on only one side..
Over 6,000 votes In Nevada already found to be casted by people who have left the state and are ineligible to vote thereThank for the conspiracy theories but where is the proof?
anymore, cant wait to see how many dead people voted there!
Poll watchers not allowed for more than 24 hours in Philly is definitely concerning
132k Votes in Wisconsin dropped at 4AM, not sure how not one of them was for trump but maybe its possible
First hand reports from postal workers told to back date ballots so that they say Nov 3rd on it and can be counted
Election machines in Michigan randomly double count biden votes which has since been corrected and no 6k more votes for trump
Counties with 90%+ voter turnout when they have never had above 50% before
Im sure there are more but this is a start.
And also a couple more things:
Judge Jeanine's show on fox news cancelled tonight after she supposedly was gonna report on election fraud
do you really believe that biden who had 20 cars at all his rallies got more votes than obama?
still waiting you'll probably find one of ten and point to that one vigorouslyhttps://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/ultra-conservative-judge-assigned-to-texas-republicans-lawsuit-which-seeks-to-toss-out-117000-ballots-in-harris-county/
The Yated endorsed Trump.
Brace yourself as entire national establishment rushes to embrace news media’s annointed President elect and we are lectured to forget five years of vicious attacks by Democrats and be nice and “work together” while AOC and others publicly say they want to purge Trump supporters
— Newt Gingrich (@newtgingrich) November 7, 2020
If you want to see how much the fix is in, votes are still being counted, no recounts have started, challenges are ignored, 5 states are within one per cent but the media pack has declared Biden won.
— Newt Gingrich (@newtgingrich) November 7, 2020
This moron knows the law and votes are still allowed to be counted. Why are all these R's against counting the votes of our great service men and women serving overseas?
Why are all these R's against counting the votes of our great service men and women serving overseas?
You must have missed the memo. Now the Democrat talking points is that counting the votes and allowing the process to play out is bad#fakenews
Point me to one mention of not counting military ballotsNevada. They want to throw out votes for individuals that don't have residence there. Military are allowed to vote there without official residence.
Nevada. They want to throw out votes for individuals that don't have residence there. Military are allowed to vote there without official residence.
They want no votes counted being received after 11/3. Military votes are allowed to be counted even if received after 11/3. Depending on the state it can be 7 days or more.
Do I need to continue? >:( >:( >:(
So the 6k+ votes that are in question are all military, talk about conspiracy theorists...I never said that but nice spin. Trying to disallow 1 military vote is a disgrace.
I never said that but nice spin. Trying to disallow 1 military vote is a disgrace.Totally agree, so anyone who moved out of the state thats not in the military and still voted, their vote should be cancelled.
Stopping the count on 11/3 would most likely disallow thousands of military votes.
Totally agree, so anyone who moved out of the state thats not in the military and still voted, their vote should be cancelled.Depends on the state. Nevada has some rules about college kids and other situations.
I never said that but nice spin. Trying to disallow 1 military vote is a disgrace.
Stopping the count on 11/3 would most likely disallow thousands of military votes.
Overseas ballots are dealt with the differently (and have different laws) than other mail-in ballots. Anyone conflating the two is either ignorant, a Democrat hack or a troll (maybe all three).Mail in votes also have different laws. Anyone conflating the two is either ignorant, a hack or a troll (maybe all three).
Why do people assume that Biden voters were more likely to cast fraudulent votes than Trump voters?Some can't look at anything objectively. They would make the worse jurors.
Mail in votes also have different laws. Anyone conflating the two is either ignorant, a hack or a troll (maybe all three).
Stopping the count on 11/3 would disallow thousands of legal military votes and tens of thousands (if not millions) of legal mail in votes.
Try and show an ounce of objectivity.
Why do people assume that Biden voters were more likely to cast fraudulent votes than Trump voters?
If it's just about legitimate ballots that were dropped into post box before election but were not processed in time, I'm having a hard time feeling sufficiently scandalized by that, especially since Biden won the popular vote by so many votes.
I'm as displeased with the results as the next guy, but I think it's pretty clear who more Americans voted for.
The PA SC wrote that they can only change the deadline for receiving ballots if they found it unconstitutional (or if a problem arose on the day of the election).So to be clear, your evidence of widespread fraud is a public ruling you disagree with by a state Supreme Court that a conservative SCOTUS has thus far not chosen to rule on? Interesting way of looking at things.
The law that set that deadline was the same law that allowed mail in voting in the first place.
The law explicitly said that if any part of the law was found unconstitutional, then the whole law is invalid.
4 Judges who were elected as Democrats illegally changed the rules of an election to benefit Biden. If that's not widespread enough for you, I'm not sure what is.
It's about sticking to the rules, and not changing them to benefit one side.Such as what?
Different than what?Than voting in person and military votes.
Interesting way of looking at things.You are to kind.
This thread does not make me hopeful about America's ability to resist authoritarian/facist rhetoric or regimes.This thread represents .00000000000001 of America. ;)
This thread represents .00000000000001 of America. ;)
Unfortunately this stat is not of much comfort because these people are presumably more highly educated than the average conservative and more aware of the dangers of authoritarianism than the average conservative.What type of education? Based on my experience here, I'd say the majority of DDFers do not have more than a high school education (if that). Internet != education.
This thread represents .00000000000001 of America. ;)Unfortunately, this threads view is representative of around a third of America, IMO.
Than voting in person and military votes.
either ignorant, a hack or a troll (maybe all three).?
Nevada. They want to throw out votes for individuals that don't have residence there. Military are allowed to vote there without official residence.
So the guy conflating mail in and Military is?You really need to put down the kool-aid.
You should have a chat with the guy who said
Resist. Overturn. Boycott. Surveil. Leak. Impeach. And now they tell us it’s time to heal. Where were they for the last four years?
— Ari Fleischer (@AriFleischer) November 8, 2020
You really need to put down the kool-aid.
Great comeback. You win.You keep talking nonsense. The Nevada ballots they were talking about included military ballots. They don't need residency. What part of this don't you understand?
When Obama won we got a mandate, Trump wins Russia collusion, Biden likely the Americans have spoken and we got a mandateIf he wins electoral vote, most popular vote of any candidate in history and most states what would you call it?
A fraudster :PThe kool-aid is flowing!!!
If he wins electoral vote, most popular vote of any candidate in history and most states what would you call it?Oh come on. To say this vote was a repudiation of Trump and a mandate for the democrats is just a different color kool-aid
Oh come on. To say this vote was a repudiation of Trump and a mandate for the democrats is just a different color kool-aidI said the vote was against Trump and not for Biden in another post and was told I was nuts. Which way is it?
I said the vote was against Trump and not for Biden in another post and was told I was nuts. Which way is it?It's both.
It's both.This was an anti-Trump vote. The kool-aid drinkers just can't except that.
But a mandate comes from a broad coalition of Americans crossing party lines to coalesce behind a vision, not a partisan vote.
If he would have won the popular vote by 9 or 10 points like the polls were saying and ended up with 350 electoral votes, then that would be a mandate.
But getting the same number of electoral votes that Trump got 4 years ago, that ain't no mandate
This was an anti-Trump vote. The kool-aid drinkers just can't except that.How much more did he lose the popular vote by in 2020 vs. 2016?
How much more did he lose the popular vote by in 2020 vs. 2016?We dont know yet. NY has 1.2m uncounted mail in ballots
How much more did he lose the popular vote by in 2020 vs. 2016?About 2% and 3mm in 2016. But remember even back then he said he won the popular vote and the 3mm were illegal votes. Sound familiar?
About 2% and 3mm in 2016. But remember even back then he said he won the popular vote and the 3mm were illegal votes. Sound familiar?Eh, bringing up numbers and not percentages is disingenuous and you know it, you can bring up raw numbers on the other side the same way
About 2% and 3mm in 2016. But remember even back then he said he won the popular vote and the 3mm were illegal votes. Sound familiar?(https://i.postimg.cc/TwxrXCLz/image.png) (https://postimages.org/)
How much more did he lose the popular vote by in 2020 vs. 2016?Yes but why did all those other millions of people show up to vote. Was it because Biden was this strong candidate? Not a chance.
(https://i.postimg.cc/TwxrXCLz/image.png) (https://postimages.org/)
That's as of now. It's sure to grow. But by how much? Another percentage point or two?
This was an anti-Trump vote. The kool-aid drinkers just can't except that.Of course it was anti-Trump. Same way in 2016 it was anti-Trump. It didn't shift that much
Yes but why did all those other millions of people show up to vote. Was it because Biden was this strong candidate? Not a chance.And why did millions moreshow up to support Trump? Hint: it's not because they like him more in 2020
Eh, bringing up numbers and not percentages is disingenuous and you know it, you can bring up raw numbers on the other side the same wayI gave percentage and total. How can I be more fair?
I gave percentage and total. How can I be more fair?Bringing up 3 million because it seems like a big number is disingenuous
And why did millions moreshow up to support Trump? Hint: it's not because they like him more in 2020According to the kool-aid drinkers here they showed up because they love his policies. That is a vote for Trump.
Bringing up 3 million because it seems like a big number is disingenuousNow you drinking the kool-aid. I gave both so you can compare both to 2020.
I don't like Trump. I think he's a disgusting human being and a pathological liar.Then what are we arguing about? I said it was an anti-Trump vote.
I just don't see this election as anything more than voting him out of office because the left doesn't like him, just they have more evidence of that than in 2016 and people are upset because of the pandemic
@CountValentine I see you calling a lot of people that say there was fraud in this election disingenuous, just curious do you still believe that Trump colluded with the Russians in 2016?I set let the Muller investigation play out and abide by the results.
https://www.westernjournal.com/dick-morris-trump-can-still-win/amp/Some faulty assumptions there but very interesting analysis nonetheless.
Some faulty assumptions there but very interesting analysis nonetheless.
I was going to say that if Dick Morris thinks Trump might win then I've lost all hope of that happening...;D
I set let the Muller investigation play out and abide by the results.Figured. If only they could've helped him this time like they did last time.
We dont know yet. NY has 1.2m uncounted mail in ballotsAnd NJ has an unknown number of in person ballots.
https://youtu.be/qT9tcH2wU6EAnd.. Video was removed. Unbelievable! Was strictly legal talk.
What's the logical explanation for all the lawsuits brought forth by these states prior to election, is he wrong about it being unconstitutional? Asking honestly, really not familiar with the intricacies of this.
https://youtu.be/qT9tcH2wU6EDiff link.
What's the logical explanation for all the lawsuits brought forth by these states prior to election, is he wrong about it being unconstitutional? Asking honestly, really not familiar with the intricacies of this.
Diff link.Didn't watch - much too long, but I googled Starr to see what was written up about his opinion. It sounds like the main thing has to do with an interpretation of the line in the constitution that grants the states power over the elections. Vox did a decent piece on this.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/XAnajvb8hWm7/
@CountValentine Curious to hear your input on this.
@CountValentine Curious to hear your input on this.Sorry I can't watch that guy. It is like watching Hannity.
Sorry I can't watch that guy. It is like watching Hannity.His guests as well? Character aside, curious about the content.
His guests as well? Character aside, curious about the content.Ok I started to watch it. Once Starr claimed SCOTUS (Alito) said the lower courts decision was unconstitutional I had to stop. No such ruling was made. All Alito did was make sure the ballots are separated.
Didn't watch - much too long, but I googled Starr to see what was written up about his opinion. It sounds like the main thing has to do with an interpretation of the line in the constitution that grants the states power over the elections. Vox did a decent piece on this.
Basically the question is whether the constitution intended to give this power solely to the actual legislative branch of each state, or to the law making process of each state (which would then include things like other 2 branches of the state governments). The relevance to PA, at least prior to the election, is that the extending of the deadline by when ballots had to be received in order to be counted (if they were postmarked by election date) was done through the executive and judicial branches of PA, not through the legislature. When it went to the SCOTUS, they split 4-4, thus leaving the change in place. The 4 that voted against PA were essentially broadcasting their adoption of the more literal interpretation, that only the state legislative branch holds power over elections.
It won't be relevant to this election, since apparently Biden won without the ballots that came in during the disputed period (ETA: that claim came from the Vox video, I don't know the source), but it may be very relevant to other cases in the future, especially if ACB joins the 4 that voted against. This could come up with regard to things like gerrymandering, voter ID laws, and poll closures - all of which R controlled state legislatures have used or tried to use to control voting in their states - and in some instances were previously stopped by the judicial or executive branches of those states.
Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct,a Number of Electors"
Ok I started to watch it. Once Starr claimed SCOTUS (Alito) said the lower courts decision was unconstitutional I had to stop. No such ruling was made. All Alito did was make sure the ballots are separated.
All Alito did was make sure the ballots are separated.On the basis State Supreme court ruling was unconstitutional I presume, so that's seemingly where he is heading with this.. CMIIW
On the basis State Supreme court ruling will be litigated I presume, so that's seemingly where he is heading with this.. CMIIWFTFY
On the basis State Supreme court ruling was unconstitutional I presume, so that's seemingly where he is heading with this.. CMIIWIt was fixed by @aygart
It was fixed by @aygart
SCOTUS Alito made no ruling on the constitutionality of the lowers court opinion. Actual the left has a better case to make that Alito agreed with the lower courts decision but that would not be correct either.
there is a strong likelihood that the State Supreme Court decision violates the Federal Constitution
Trump now losing by 4mm+ votes and counting. If this election was stolen by the D's please get me the guys name. I want him to do my taxes!!! :)
4 members of the Court wrote thatSource? AFAIK Alito decided this.
Source? AFAIK Alito decided this.
Thomas and Gorsuch joined. (so it was 3, not 4). Barret didn't take part in the decision, and the other 5 didn't say either way (although Kavanaugh would have granted a stay).I want your source because I keep reading PA was Alitos territory and he made the decision.
I want your source because I keep reading PA was Alitos territory and he made the decision.
https://nypost.com/2020/11/06/justice-alito-orders-pennsylvania-officials-divide-late-ballots/
https://news.yahoo.com/supreme-courts-alito-tells-pennsylvania-021751657.html
https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2020-11-06/supreme-courts-alito-tells-pennsylvania-counties-to-separate-late-ballots
You'd be better off with the guy who does Trump's taxes.short guys with yarmulkas
Here (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/20pdf/20-542_i3dj.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjmgoubu_bsAhUjU98KHcLTBRoQFjADegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw2n5OJHjSRKFix3ztYKJlGg&cshid=1604959332984)Wrong decision.
Decided [October 28, 2020]
Right. Before the election, 3 justices said that there is a strong likelihood that the State Supreme Court decision violates the Federal ConstitutionWe are talking about the decision Alito just made. Follow the flow. :)
We are talking about the decision Alito just made. Follow the flow. :)
You might be. I'm not.Well then you are the only one.
New polling shows a massive drop in trust in elections among Republicans. 7 in 10 GOP voters say the 2020 election was not free and fair. https://t.co/CPIP5juQ09 pic.twitter.com/fjNW1g6UrJ
— Nick Laughlin (@nick_d_laughlin) November 9, 2020
If he starts his rallies again, its only gonna get worseNew polling shows a massive drop in trust in elections among Republicans. 7 in 10 GOP voters say the 2020 election was not free and fair. https://t.co/CPIP5juQ09 pic.twitter.com/fjNW1g6UrJ
— Nick Laughlin (@nick_d_laughlin) November 9, 2020
Sigh. Guess the attempts from the President to poison the minds of the electorate and undermine faith in democracy are winning. As despots around the world cheer for a weakened USA.
Sigh. Guess the attempts from the President to poison the minds of the electorate and undermine faith in democracy are winning. As despots around the world cheer for a weakened USA.It should read 3 in 10 Trump voters are educated. :)
If he starts his rallies again, its only gonna get worse...and kill more people.
If a state goes to their supreme court to appeal a decision allowing poll watchers in, why would you have confidence in their election process? Saying slurs about Republicans doesn't change the logic.Even FOX can't take the lies anymore.
...and kill more people.Are you referring to the celebrations the other night for Biden?
Even FOX can't take the lies anymore.You have such a funny way of looking at things.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fox-news-cut-away-from-trump-s-press-secretary-as-she-pushed-baseless-claims-of-election-fraud/ar-BB1aQsDe?ocid=msedgntp#image=1
If a state goes to their supreme court to appeal a decision allowing poll watchers in, why would you have confidence in their election process? Saying slurs about Republicans doesn't change the logic.How is saying people will get sick and die from his super spreader rallies a slur?
Are you referring to the celebrations the other night for Biden?Those celebrations were wrong for not social distancing. To compare them to Trumps shoulder to shoulder no mask super spreaders is a new level of kool-aid you are drinking.
You have such a funny way of looking at things.Who runs it now?
Do you know who runs the place now?
Those celebrations were wrong for not social distancing. To compare them to Trumps shoulder to shoulder no mask super spreaders is a new level of kool-aid you are drinking.No drinking here, was just curious if you're seeing what's going on the other side of the street.
No drinking here, was just curious if you're seeing what's going on the other side of the street.Yes and it was wrong!!! Most had masks on but still no common sense. Passing around and drinking from the same bottle. Does it get any stupider?
Yes and it was wrong!!! Most had masks on but still no common sense. Passing around and drinking from the same bottle. Does it get any stupider?
Did you call it out before now?Unlike you I can be objective. When did you call out the super spreader rallies that have been going on for a month!!!
Trump's lawsuit uses variations of the word "fraud" 33 times, and only one graph appears to allege suspected instances of it: in Luzerne and Lafayette County.
— Adam Klasfeld (@KlasfeldReports) November 9, 2020
Neither of those counties' board of elections is one of the 7 defendants.
Both are red. https://t.co/StYlHmyF5y pic.twitter.com/zQaoWhjoXb
Who runs it now?
People that donated 1.5 million to BidenYou been hanging out at QAnon?
Mrs Murdoch tweeted we did it after they projected Biden to win
You been hanging out at QAnon?Nope,you dont believe it?
You have such a funny way of looking at things.What about the WSJ? Partisan liberal hack as well?
Do you know who runs the place now?
What about the WSJ? Partisan liberal hack as well?I was just making a comment about FOX
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-presidential-endgame-11604706255?st=12opab285awkvc4&reflink
I was just making a comment about FOXCome on. Are you really insinuating that FOX is biased left?
FOX NEWS LAST NIGHT
— PoliticsVideoChannel (@politvidchannel) November 7, 2020
Laura Ingraham prepares her audience for possibility that President Trump will lose the electionpic.twitter.com/7WQSL6Gp0M
I was just making a comment about FOXSo FOX is left wing now? This is the first I heard of it.
People that donated 1.5 million to BidenThis post is highly misleading. Kathryn Murdoch, who you are referring to, is the wife of James Murdoch who recently dropped all of his positions at FOX because they are too conservative (https://www.npr.org/2020/07/31/897929181/james-murdoch-quits-family-media-empire-after-disagreements) for him.
Mrs Murdoch tweeted we did it after they projected Biden to win
I guess you weren't following the presidents Twitter feed past yearIf that is were you get your info from then it explains the kool-aid.
So FOX is left wing now? This is the first I heard of it.Did you watch their coverage of the Trump campaign press conference?
Did you watch their coverage of the Trump campaign press conference?Which one? :)
Which one? :)The one where they broke away in the middle
The one where they broke away in the middleWas it more lies they couldn't take?
The one where they broke away in the middleWere they right or wrong?
And here it is, your Moment of Zen pic.twitter.com/0Dwd32AAs5
— The Daily Show (@TheDailyShow) November 6, 2020
So FOX is left wing now? This is the first I heard of it.
They have been drifting leftward for a while. Maybe since Roger Ailes was booted (for good reason)? If you didn't know that conservatives (and certainly Trump supporters) have not been fans if Fox for a while, you really should get out more.So their increase in ratings is from liberals?
Was it more lies they couldn't take?Was it any different than Adam Schiff saying he has proof of Russian collusion? Did they cut away from that?
Ballots in NC can still arrive until Thursday. Why aren't the R's yelling about that state?Cuz only sick Republicans aka rinos like will shoot themselves in the foot for the sake of righteousness. We Trump supporters believe in fighting whats good for the country. Any other fights we will let you handle
Can the Kool-Aid drinkers answer that?
Invalid Tweet IDAny real sources?
Any real sources?None approved by the Ministry of Truth.
Invalid Tweet ID
Any real sources?Hillary won Rock County by 10.3 points, Biden is up by 10.8 points. I highly doubt this county swing 21 points to have Trump up by 10.8. I don't know what happened there, but I can't imagine it's what they're claiming.
The statistical case against a Biden win.
— Steve Cortes (@CortesSteve) November 10, 2020
Part 1 of 4: Turnout... pic.twitter.com/X0yC8F88fS
President thanks @Dan in rare tweet to the countryI knew @jj1000 was a closet Trumpster but Dan?
How ignorant of history do you have to be? Gore tried to do it to Bush in 2000 and Hillary, Obama, Biden, Comey, McCabe, Pelosi and the MSM tried to do it to Trump in 2016. https://t.co/BrVlMkZRDt
— Ari Fleischer (@AriFleischer) November 10, 2020
How ignorant of history do you have to be? Gore tried to do it to Bush in 2000 and Hillary, Obama, Biden, Comey, McCabe, Pelosi and the MSM tried to do it to Trump in 2016. https://t.co/BrVlMkZRDt
— Ari Fleischer (@AriFleischer) November 10, 2020
Maybe Jake should have backdated this tweet by four years. https://t.co/mysSrdN7lh
— Ari Fleischer (@AriFleischer) November 9, 2020
WASHINGTON: How confident is Trump of winning? This confident. The WH says "of course" it has begun work in the 2022 budget.
— KolHaolam (@KolHaolam) November 11, 2020
Democrats on the House Oversight committee tweeted out a claim that the USPS whistleblower (who claimed he heard his boss talking about backdating ballots) recanted his statement.Invalid Tweet ID?s=21
Whistleblower denies recanting.
?s=21#USPS IG investigators informed Committee staff today that they interviewed Hopkins on Friday, but that Hopkins RECANTED HIS ALLEGATIONS yesterday and did not explain why he signed a false affidavit.
— Oversight Committee (@OversightDems) November 10, 2020
Democrats on the House Oversight committee tweeted out a claim that the USPS whistleblower (who claimed he heard his boss talking about backdating ballots) recanted his statement.I am sure his backdating story is true as it would result in instant removal if you were caught. ::)
Whistleblower denies recanting.
I knew @jj1000 was a closet Trumpster but Dan?If you think just because you tag me I'll look at your post as soon as I see the tag notification and I will likely reply as well, you are right.
I knew @jj1000 was a closet Trumpster but Dan?Look whos talking. How many hundreds of times has Trump mentioned you by first name over the last 2 weeks. :P
I am sure his backdating story is true as it would result in instant removal if you were caught. ::)
Instead they suspended the guy who reported it without pay.No one is stupid enough to tell someone to backdate mail.
On another note Biden is over 5 MILLION votes ahead!!!
Are the odds changing a bit to Trumps favor? I would believe so.So they went from 5% of 0 to 10% of 0?
?s=08Read this sworn affidavit from GOP poll challenger, and former Assistant AG for Michigan, Zachary Larsen, on the alleged fraud he observed in Detroit. This is Third World stuff, and every American should be outraged if these allegations are true https://t.co/63nLXJxAZF pic.twitter.com/9WbamMw4Yc
— Benjamin Weingarten (@bhweingarten) November 9, 2020
Invalid Tweet ID?s=08This is pretty damning.
This is pretty damning.Then Trump would have retweeted it.
This is pretty damning.Blah blah blah
Then Trump would have retweeted it.It was posted to twitter 90 minutes ago.
Blah blah blahPlease explain what's wrong with what she says.
NOTHING BURGER!!!
Please explain what's wrong with what she says.If she was coherent I would.
If she was coherent I would.So you're saying it's nothing without having any idea what she said?
So you're saying it's nothing without having any idea what she said?She sounds like a nutcase.
She sounds like a nutcase.I know, it's crazy that the Ds would admit it in their own court filings.
Trust me what I am telling you I checked it100 times. :)
C'mon man!!!
I know, it's crazy that the Ds would admit it in their own court filings.Maybe fact check what the filing is about before you swallow it hook line & sinker.
This is pretty damning.
?s=21The important thing about this Republican Election Fraud is that they paid fake candidates, perhaps even with fake addresses, who had the SAME LAST NAME as the Democrat Candidate https://t.co/ddUsLw0qdg
— Carl Allen (@RealCarlAllen) November 12, 2020
🚨🚨🚨
— Alex Bruesewitz (@alexbruesewitz) November 12, 2020
Just met with TOP Bush-Gore litigation lawyers in DC.
They are NOT MAGA types at all.
They said that they respectfully disagree with Karl Rove’s assessment of the situation and that they believe President @realDonaldTrump has MULTIPLE paths to victory.
Wow
Are they willing to PUOSU? :)
Are they willing to PUOSU? :)they're sitting on SCOTUS
A federal government agency under the Department of Homeland Security says this election was the most secure in American history.Cause we trust federal agencies, right??
Cause we trust federal agencies, right??Remember the scumbag draft dodging president keeps telling you we are turning the corner as fellow Americans are dying by the thousands.
Like the ones that tried to make an "insurance policy" to Trump winning...
TOP lawyers. They're so top I can't even tell you who they are.🚨🚨🚨
— Alex Bruesewitz (@alexbruesewitz) November 12, 2020
Just met with TOP Bush-Gore litigation lawyers in DC.
They are NOT MAGA types at all.
They said that they respectfully disagree with Karl Rove’s assessment of the situation and that they believe President @realDonaldTrump has MULTIPLE paths to victory.
Wow
Maybe fact check what the filing is about before you swallow it hook line & sinker.I'm waiting for you to fact check it, but instead you just say it's fake before admitting you have no idea what's in it.
I have no idea if there is any law against this, but regardless I think this is a really bad idea.?s=21The important thing about this Republican Election Fraud is that they paid fake candidates, perhaps even with fake addresses, who had the SAME LAST NAME as the Democrat Candidate https://t.co/ddUsLw0qdg
— Carl Allen (@RealCarlAllen) November 12, 2020
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-supporter-admits-voter-fraud-says-she-voted-twice-for-president-in-viral-video/ar-BB1aWZ6j?li=BBnb7KzThere is no news here, she was arrested for it in 2016.
I'm waiting for you to fact check it, but instead you just say it's fake before admitting you have no idea what's in it.I will let Trumps DHS explain it to you.
A federal government agency under the Department of Homeland Security says this election was the most secure in American history.
TOP lawyers. They're so top I can't even tell you who they are.Cancel culture 🙄
I will let Trumps DHS explain it to you.I guess you're agreeing that that is evidence of fraud.
I guess you're agreeing that that is evidence of fraud.What I am agreeing with is you can't accept the fact Trump lost. Get over it. We have thousands of fellow Americans dying every day and this coward President is MIA. This is who this guy truly is.
Cancel culture 🙄Mhm
TOP lawyers. They're so top I can't even tell you who they are.Read the next tweet.
Read the next tweet."I will not publicly name them at this moment because they have asked me not to."
Let's enjoy the fact Trump hasn't actually requested a recount in Wisconsin. They make you pay upfront for that.Lets enjoy the fact that youre factually incorrect on this one. A recount in Wisconsin can only be requested once the election is certified, and the election has not been certified in Wisconsin
Read the next tweet.
"I will not publicly name them at this moment because they have asked me not to."Here is a TOP lawyer from Bush/Gore that is speaking out.
ROFLMAO!!!
?s=19“Biden underperformed Hillary Clinton in every major metro area around the country, save for Milwaukee, Detroit, Atlanta and Philadelphia ... in these big cities in swing states run by Democrats…the vote even exceeded the number of registered voters.”https://t.co/5xn6nd7qPE
— Rasmussen Reports (@Rasmussen_Poll) November 15, 2020
If this is so, it seems an elector college is needed within each State to prevent high population centers from obtaining control. Surely this is what James Madison would want. Kind of matters as much as what RBG wouldve wanted.?s=19“Biden underperformed Hillary Clinton in every major metro area around the country, save for Milwaukee, Detroit, Atlanta and Philadelphia ... in these big cities in swing states run by Democrats…the vote even exceeded the number of registered voters.”https://t.co/5xn6nd7qPE
— Rasmussen Reports (@Rasmussen_Poll) November 15, 2020
If this is so, it seems an elector college is needed within each State to prevent high population centers from obtaining control. Surely this is what James Madison would want. Kind of matters as much as what RBG wouldve wanted.Let each state figure themselves out. What about within cities? Should that also be electoral? Each block?
Was this in fact the Dems plan? Heavy campaigning within inner cities and maximize turnout.
If this is so, it seems an elector college is needed within each State to prevent high population centers from obtaining control. Surely this is what James Madison would want. Kind of matters as much as what RBG wouldve wanted.when u say states should have their own electoral college youre saying that cities heavily Democratic will get their votes and rural areas of the state will get their vote...youre basically saying we should just do the popular vote.... :o :o
Was this in fact the Dems plan? Heavy campaigning within inner cities and maximize turnout.
If you'd have a little integrity, and looked at the numbers yourself, you'd know that's BS?s=19“Biden underperformed Hillary Clinton in every major metro area around the country, save for Milwaukee, Detroit, Atlanta and Philadelphia ... in these big cities in swing states run by Democrats…the vote even exceeded the number of registered voters.”https://t.co/5xn6nd7qPE
— Rasmussen Reports (@Rasmussen_Poll) November 15, 2020
If you'd have a little integrity, and looked at the numbers yourself, you'd know that's BSSo Rasmussen is fake news these days?
So Rasmussen is fake news these days?Did you look at the numbers I asked you to look at before you posted?
Did you look at the numbers I asked you to look at before you posted?No, it is kinda hard from my phone 🙄
It's not that hard. Check out the data, and see if it looks fishy to you.
Just google
https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&safe=strict&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS729US729&ei=zQKyX6moEZL45gK7m6mYAQ&q=detroit+trump+biden+vs+clinton&oq=detroit+trump+biden+vs+clinton&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQA1CNN1jpW2D_XGgAcAB4AIABU4gBiQeSAQIxMpgBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXrAAQE&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwjpwoPan4btAhUSvFkKHbtNChMQ4dUDCA0&uact=5
This comes up https://www.freep.com/restricted/?return=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.freep.com%2Fstory%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Felections%2F2020%2F11%2F11%2Fjoe-biden-trump-detroit-vote%2F6241596002%2F
and this https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/trump-who-now-claims-fraud-got-more-votes-detroit-most-republicans
I'll let you google the rest. I assume your phone googles
Being that this is from the most important state I'll feed you this one toogoogle? The company along w Facebook and Twitter that was grilled by a senate committee regarding alleged input or influence on content viewed?
https://www.inquirer.com/news/president-donald-trump-joe-biden-philadelphia-election-day-20201107.html
Learn from this that you are part of a cult. Google can get you out of it.
google? The company along w Facebook and Twitter that was grilled by a senate committee regarding alleged input or influence on content viewed?Hey, welcome to the cult!
Oh.
Your assumption is wrong 🙄Ok, well basically, that this election was a fraud, is an embarrassing thing to admit you believe. It is a joke of a conspiracy. And if you believed it, you should question everything else you believe about Trump.
google? The company along w Facebook and Twitter that was grilled by a senate committee regarding alleged input or influence on content viewed?nebach
Oh.
Hey, welcome to the cult!if Im part of a cult that includes high ranking members of the senate from both sides of the aisle thats not too bad
Ok, well basically, that this election was a fraud, is an embarrassing thing to admit you believe. It is a joke of a conspiracy. And if you believed it, you should question everything else you believe about Trump.I realize that ALL news is slanted these days, and everyone just goes to the sources that will tell them what they want to hear. I really dont know where to go these days for the truth, and its very sad. Its even more sad that you dont recognize theres a problem. How can you think that google doesnt have an agenda?
Please research it. You may have the same reaction that members of Cults have when they are asked "why does G-d always tell Cult leaders to sleep with all the women?".
This really deserves its own thread but I don't want to upset @ChaimMoskowitz<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I did too!</p>— jacob🌊⛩🦋🏝🗻❄️🦍 (@cutepixofecco2k) <a href="
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— jacob🌊⛩🦋🏝🗻❄️🦍 (@cutepixofecco2k) November 16, 2020
Sometimes when I read the comments here, I think to myself that fortunately (and unfortunately for @CountValentine ) Trump doesn't believe in Jesus, because if he did....I think its time for you to turn off the TV and social media, youll enjoy life a lot more
I think its time for you to turn off the TV and social media, youll enjoy life a lot moreI frankly dont care what happens on TV or social media. It pains me to see the Am Chacham Venavon being such tipshim.
I frankly dont care what happens on TV or social media. It pains me to see the Am Chacham Venavon being such tipshim.im just curious : what do you think when R Shmuel Kamenetsky suggested we vote for Trump ?
im just curious : what do you think when R Shmuel Kamenetsky suggested we vote for Trump ?Well, Reb Shmuel Kamenetsky must not have google
What was your thought process?
I dont think you thought hes a tipish so what then?
Well, Reb Shmuel Kamenetsky must not have googleoh my gosh youre right.
These right wing nuts just make this stuff up and most here go for it hook line and sinker.
Hopkins also said that the dramatic conclusions he reached in the affidavit were the product of Project Veritas' influence.
"I was in so much shock I wasn't paying that much attention to what they were telling me," he said of the affidavit, which was obtained through an online service that routed him to a notary in Texas.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/video-shows-usps-whistleblower-was-not-alone-when-swearing-to-affidavit-alleging-mail-in-ballot-fraud/ar-BB1b2kb8?li=BBnb7Kz
im just curious : what do you think when R Shmuel Kamenetsky suggested we vote for Trump ?I can guarantee you that it had ZERO to do with the conspiracy theories that you are discussing. If you think it did then you have a bigger problem.
What was your thought process?
I dont think you thought hes a tipish so what then?
This sums it up..
These right wing nuts just make this stuff up and most here go for it hook line and sinker.
I can guarantee you that it had ZERO to do with the conspiracy theories that you are discussing. If you think it did then you have a bigger problem.im not falling for the conspiracy theories hook line and sinker. Im just curious about @Baruch reaction when R Shmuel endorsed trump, bc @Baruch is less than enthusiastic with trump in all areas..
https://www.wsj.com/articles/harvesting-the-2020-election-11605221974pay wall...
This sums it up..
The sad part, you can't even prove it as fraud. It is though! Yes enough to swing the election.
https://www.ajc.com/politics/georgia-recount-uncovers-2600-new-votes-in-presidential-race/I75NSPYYGNF43HQZBPYKJWJ5MA/I'm interested in seeing if anything shows up in the counties that shifted 10-15+ points D compared to 2016.
https://www.mediaite.com/opinion/fox-news-guest-pushes-back-on-fox-news-host-buying-into-previous-fox-news-guests-absurd-conspiracy-theory-on-election-fraud/She is a complete idiot just like Trump. The worst part is she is Flynn's lawyer. Wonder why he is in the mess he is in.
http://youtu.be/MMP9dXSozFUThat sums it up.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/harvesting-the-2020-election-11605221974
This sums it up..
The sad part, you can't even prove it as fraud. It is though! Yes enough to swing the election.
Does anyone wanna explain whats going on in Nevada, specifically in Clark County? Seems like theyre invalidated a part of the electionsA senate race too close. So they checked how many discrepancies could have been, they found much more than the win margin.
A senate race too close. So they checked how many discrepancies could have been, they found much more than the win margin.
So invalidated the race.
What does discrepancies mean in this context? What happens now?
And...🥁 🥁 🥁 HERE WE GO:
— Yossi Gestetner (@YossiGestetner) November 17, 2020
A Democrat is ahead by 10 votes for a seat in Clark County; NV.
The problem?
There are 936 discrepancies in the vote that can’t be cleaned up including 710 with mail in votes.
Next step?
Results likely invalidated; new local election to be called. pic.twitter.com/ziMvnpVjGb
And...🥁 🥁 🥁 HERE WE GO:
— Yossi Gestetner (@YossiGestetner) November 17, 2020
A Democrat is ahead by 10 votes for a seat in Clark County; NV.
The problem?
There are 936 discrepancies in the vote that can’t be cleaned up including 710 with mail in votes.
Next step?
Results likely invalidated; new local election to be called. pic.twitter.com/ziMvnpVjGb
A senate race too close. So they checked how many discrepancies could have been, they found much more than the win margin.Correction. Not a Senate race...
So invalidated the race.
What happens now?
?s=21I didn't want to give them anymore eyeballs, but since people are accusing me of lying – here is the video:pic.twitter.com/AR0hEbhXHU
— William LeGate (@williamlegate) November 17, 2020
:o :o :o?s=21I didn't want to give them anymore eyeballs, but since people are accusing me of lying – here is the video:pic.twitter.com/AR0hEbhXHU
— William LeGate (@williamlegate) November 17, 2020
New: a memory card was found during the audit in Fayette county with 2,755 votes. Decreased Biden statewide lead by 449. New margin total statewide in GA is a 12,929 lead for Biden
— Justin Gray (@JustinGrayWSB) November 17, 2020
A federal government agency under the Department of Homeland Security says this election was the most secure in American history.trump just fired that guy
You would think he would be tired of all the losing. Case after case he keeps losing!!!That vote was along party lines 🙄
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pennsylvania-supreme-court-rejects-trump-campaign-claim-of-problems-with-ballot-observers/ar-BB1b6Ak7?li=BBorjTa
That vote was along party lines 🙄The chief justice of the Pennsylvania Supreme Court, Republican Thomas Saylor, wrote that the Trump campaign's apparent aim to throw out votes would be disenfranchisement.
trump just fired that guy...and the kool-aid drinkers will never understand why Trump is dangerous to our GREAT COUNTRY!!!
...and the kool-aid drinkers will never understand why Trump is dangerous to our GREAT COUNTRY!!!Do you really feel in danger right now? Im sure theres a hotline for you to be able to find the nearest safe place
Do you really feel in danger right now? Im sure theres a hotline for you to be able to find the nearest safe placeYou don't think it's a problem to fire anyone who says the facts disagree with you?
You don't think it's a problem to fire anyone who says the facts disagree with you?Right, but are you certain that Trump isnt right? Maybe hes a never trumper, its not so far fetched to say so. The point Im trying to make is no one should make assumptions these days, because sadly its impossible to know who to believe
Right, but are you certain that Trump isnt right? Maybe hes a never trumper, its not so far fetched to say so. The point Im trying to make is no one should make assumptions these days, because sadly its impossible to know who to believeWhat reason is there for Trump to fire him, besides for his ego? There is no practical difference to the country. Nothing is going to change.
Right, but are you certain that Trump isnt right? Maybe hes a never trumper, its not so far fetched to say so. The point Im trying to make is no one should make assumptions these days, because sadly its impossible to know who to believeIf you don't understand at this point that Trump is a compulsive liar you are beyond hope.
What reason is there for Trump to fire him, besides for his ego? There is no practical difference to the country. Nothing is going to change.Actually a lot will/has changed. He needs for everyone not to trust anything that he doesn't agree with.
Actually a lot will/has changed. He needs for everyone not to trust anything that he doesn't agree with.Well the medias doing a wonderful job discrediting themselves...
Watch the 60 minutes interview. His goal to discredit the media is so when they report on his screwups no one will believe them.
Well the medias doing a wonderful job discrediting themselves...Except they get 90%+ correct and that is a low estimate.
Accurate pic.twitter.com/o6g4lRya3G
— Yeshevav (@Yeshevav) November 18, 2020
Let's enjoy the fact Trump hasn't actually requested a recount in Wisconsin. They make you pay upfront for that.Looks like they just put up $3M for a recount in 2 counties.
Looks like they just put up $3M for a recount in 2 counties.... and not $7.9m for a full Wisconsin recount
... and not $7.9m for a full Wisconsin recountWhy would they? assuming these are the 2 counties they believe had the most serious irregularities, why recount the others?
Why would they? assuming these are the 2 counties they believe had the most serious irregularities, why recount the others?So they don't believe there is widespread fraud outside those 2 counties?
So they don't believe there is widespread fraud outside those 2 counties?Not necessarily, They may think there's enough in those two counties to flip it, if anything.
So they don't believe there is widespread fraud outside those 2 counties?Wouldn't it make sense to first recount the ones with the highest indications of Fraud/Irregularities?
?s=20One of our monitors discovered a 9,626 vote error in the DeKalb County hand count. One batch was labeled 10,707 for Biden and 13 for Trump - an improbable margin even by DeKalb standards. The actual count for the batch was 1,081 for Biden and 13 for Trump.
— David Shafer (@DavidShafer) November 18, 2020
Wouldn't it make sense to first recount the ones with the highest indications of Fraud/Irregularities?Can't request a recount in the others after 5pm today
The mistake was on a box label, they didn't catch any irregularity on any actual count of votes?s=20One of our monitors discovered a 9,626 vote error in the DeKalb County hand count. One batch was labeled 10,707 for Biden and 13 for Trump - an improbable margin even by DeKalb standards. The actual count for the batch was 1,081 for Biden and 13 for Trump.
— David Shafer (@DavidShafer) November 18, 2020
The mistake was on a box label, they didn't catch any irregularity on any actual count of votes
This is grossly misleading. The recording error during the DeKalb hand count doesn't impact the overall GA margin, because the tally was recorded correctly in the original count. But of course, this post has 8k RTs and 17k likes. https://t.co/q7ctYUwPmL
— Dave Wasserman (@Redistrict) November 18, 2020
So they don't believe there is widespread fraud outside those 2 counties?Maybe they believe one of two things will happen. Either they'll be able to find enough wrong in those 2 counties, or they won't be able to find enough in the whole state.
This is grossly misleading. The recording error during the DeKalb hand count doesn't impact the overall GA margin, because the tally was recorded correctly in the original count. But of course, this post has 8k RTs and 17k likes. https://t.co/q7ctYUwPmL
— Dave Wasserman (@Redistrict) November 18, 2020
Please explain?Let me explain, he's misleading you, like everyone is misleading with this kookoo election fraud sore losing. Comprende?
Let me explain, he's misleading you, like everyone is misleading with this kookoo election fraud sore losing. Comprende?
Now, do you want to explain how pointing out that two election officials signed off on a count that was almost 10k off (and would have gotten away with it if not for the Republican observer noticing that something was off) is "kookoo election fraud sore losing"?You have a link for this one?
Yes, I understand that you are strongly under the influence of TDS. Now, do you want to explain how pointing out that two election officials signed off on a count that was almost 10k off (and would have gotten away with it if not for the Republican observer noticing that something was off) is "kookoo election fraud sore losing"?I take any mention of "TDS" as "I have no response".
You have a link for this one?
One of our monitors discovered a 9,626 vote error in the DeKalb County hand count. One batch was labeled 10,707 for Biden and 13 for Trump - an improbable margin even by DeKalb standards. The actual count for the batch was 1,081 for Biden and 13 for Trump.
— David Shafer (@DavidShafer) November 18, 2020
I take any mention of "TDS" as "I have no response".
That's the source? :)
That's the source? :)
Has this been confirmed by the republican SOS?
DeKalb County had not submitted anything to the State yet. The county CEO said that it doesn't matter if it happened because it was caught (by the Republican observer).So there was no fraud. You really need to move on. If Trump gets his way there really will be a civil war.
Yes, I understand that you are strongly under the influence of TDS. Now, do you want to explain how pointing out that two election officials signed off on a count that was almost 10k off (and would have gotten away with it if not for the Republican observer noticing that something was off) is "kookoo election fraud sore losing"?
So there was no fraud.
If Trump gets his way there really will be a civil war.
The count was accurate. The label was not. AFAIU.
No there was but it was caught (although this instance was probably incompetence rather than intentional fraud).You are so far gone there is no help for you. I rag on Trump because he is a scumbag. You actually believe all this stuff.
If that were to happen, it would be the fault (and responsiblity) of those who corrupted the voting process so much that it becomes impossible to know who won. Trump would just be the one pointing it out.
The first (machine) count was almost accurate (2 votes off)
The recount was not accurate (9,800+ votes off).
?s=21DeKalb County, Georgia has released a statement questioning State Republican Chair @DavidShafer's account of a 'vote error.' Full statement below. pic.twitter.com/SwAGiKBZ3I
— Brendan Keefe (@BrendanKeefe) November 18, 2020
?s=21DeKalb County, Georgia has released a statement questioning State Republican Chair @DavidShafer's account of a 'vote error.' Full statement below. pic.twitter.com/SwAGiKBZ3I
— Brendan Keefe (@BrendanKeefe) November 18, 2020
It says "we don't know if what he described happened, but even if it did, they (the Republican observer) caught it so whatever"Where does it say that?
The statement doesn't question question Shafer's account. It says "we don't know if what he described happened, but even if it did, they (the Republican observer) caught it so whatever"That's the point. Even if somebody was attempting fraud, they couldn't get it past the checks & balances.
Wisconsin tried changing the rules of the recount that it shouldnt be recounted by hand, but it just failed to pass.
If the Trump campaign is paying the costs, what do they care?Idk, makes you kinda wonder...
That's the point. Even if somebody was attempting fraud, they couldn't get it past the checks & balances.
You are so far gone there is no help for you. I rag on Trump because he is a scumbag. You actually believe all this stuff.this
The problem is that they only allowed one observer for every 10 counting tables. The fact that they caught this mistake shows us that mistakes happen, but it doesn't show us that they were able to catch everything.Do you realize that Trump promotes this BS, because he thinks there's enough suckers that will believe it, and your one of those suckers?
Do you realize that Trump promotes this BS, because he thinks there's enough suckers that will believe it, and your one of those suckers?
It's kind of sad to watch....
Wisconsin tried changing the rules of the recount that it shouldnt be recounted by hand, but it just failed to pass.Source?
Source?Im not sure, I thought I heard they didnt wanna let them do a hand recount, but I know they tried changing the rules and it was votes down
Both parties proposed various modifications to the recount manual but I don't see anything about a hand recount.
Im not sure, I thought I heard they didnt wanna let them do a hand recount, but I know they tried changing the rules and it was votes downBoth parties proposed changes and some were approved.
?s=21On a unanimous vote, the Wisconsin Elections Commission approves adding one sentence to the recount manual saying "ballots and materials must be available for candidates and their representatives to view and offer any objections to a ballot
— Scott Bauer (@sbauerAP) November 19, 2020
being counted."
?s=21Republican commission member Den Knudson is arguing that the order calling for the recount should tell the counties to set aside ballots in bulk that Trump is questioning in expectation of a future court challenge
— Scott Bauer (@sbauerAP) November 19, 2020
Democrats say Trump's claims are baseless
I take any mention of "TDS" as "I have no response".It's the right-wing equivalent of "drinking the Kool-Aid'"
It's the right-wing equivalent of "drinking the Kool-Aid'"Not even close!
Not even close!Perhaps. But I cannot even count the number of times you responded "Keep drinking the Kool-Aid" instead of addressing the substantive issues discussed...
...instead of addressing the substantive issues discussed...You owe me a pop as I just spit it out laughing so hard.
You owe me a pop as I just spit it out laughing so hard.Why you drinking pop so early in the morning??
At every turn the kool-aid drinkers keep claiming election fraud with no evidence. Sorry but that is not a substantive issue.
Why you drinking pop so early in the morning??I don't drink coffee.
I don't drink coffee.My condolences ;)
Trump team now claims it is a global communist conspiracy. We know many of his supporters are uneducated but are they ignorant and stupid also?yes
Utah Sen. Mitt Romney, a frequent Trump critic, called him out Thursday night, writing on Twitter that "it is difficult to imagine a worse, more undemocratic action by a sitting president."Sasse & Ernst did too. Hopefully by next week he'll lose McConnell and the bulk of the Republican Party. The insanity has to stop.
"Having failed to make even a plausible case of widespread fraud or conspiracy before any court of law, the President has now resorted to overt pressure on state and local officials to subvert the will of the people and overturn the election," Romney said.
Sasse & Ernst did too. Hopefully by next week he'll lose McConnell and the bulk of the Republican Party. The insanity has to stop.no. Hes doing great. He won with 410 electoral votes as per OAN. Im sticking this out.
no. Hes doing great. He won with 410 electoral votes as per OAN. Im sticking this out.Except he is past that. Now he is trying overthrow an election that would result in cities burning and he doesn't care.
Sasse & Ernst did too. Hopefully by next week he'll lose McConnell and the bulk of the Republican Party. The insanity has to stop.I hope you dont think if more ppl dont agree with him hell actually change his mind do you? I wouldnt want Republican congressmen revolting on trump only for the point it would annoy trumps base. While trump may not be prez again he woke up a strong base that Republicans need.
I hope you dont think if more ppl dont agree with him hell actually change his mind do you? I wouldnt want Republican congressmen revolting on trump only for the point it would annoy trumps base. While trump may not be prez again he woke up a strong base that Republicans need.I'm sure McConnell will try at first (as he has been until now), but if Trump keeps up his rhetoric, the GOP will have to ramp up theirs. I'm not so convinced Trump won't drop it himself soon.
So while technically it should happen that McConnell turn on him and tell him the game is up , he would tow the line at how he says it
I hope you dont think if more ppl dont agree with him hell actually change his mind do you?He is a bully. If he has no one around him he will fold like a cheap suit.
He is a bully. If he has no one around him he will fold like a cheap suit.He will always have people around him. Hopefully he will lost the bulk of the GOP though.
Ya he took out a terrorist but what was his response when they bombed our bases? He claimed no one was injured.
You have to be a special kind of stupid to still believe this stuff.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/in-scathing-opinion-federal-judge-dismisses-trump-campaign-lawsuit-in-pennsylvania/ar-BB1beZaw?li=BBnbfcL
?s=20oh boy, who is gonna tell her? https://t.co/c4GiJ7NkQY
— Marc E. Elias (@marceelias) November 22, 2020
?s=21The publicly-stated position of President Trump's legal team is that the reason Trump lost Georgia is because Georgia's Republican Gov. Brian Kemp has been bribed by a Venezuelan front company in cahoots with the CIA to throw elections to Communists. https://t.co/1OZpTODaN1
— Jonathan Swan (@jonathanvswan) November 22, 2020
Kemp is a RINO. What do you expect??s=21The publicly-stated position of President Trump's legal team is that the reason Trump lost Georgia is because Georgia's Republican Gov. Brian Kemp has been bribed by a Venezuelan front company in cahoots with the CIA to throw elections to Communists. https://t.co/1OZpTODaN1
— Jonathan Swan (@jonathanvswan) November 22, 2020
?s=21How it started. How it’s going. pic.twitter.com/hxyjghI4VV
— Matt McDermott (@mattmfm) November 22, 2020
?s=21I will prove it, Ben.
— Kimberly Klacik (@kimKBaltimore) November 22, 2020
When I do I will purchase you some new glasses, clearly you can’t see.
Next time tag me, don’t be a pussy. https://t.co/f1jHUNx42f
With a mouth like that she must be hanging out with the first lady.
Invalid Tweet ID?s=21Now there's only 2 left, Microp**** and fishing for p****
One of Trumps top 3 lawyers
?s=21I will prove it, Ben.
— Kimberly Klacik (@kimKBaltimore) November 22, 2020
When I do I will purchase you some new glasses, clearly you can’t see.
Next time tag me, don’t be a pussy. https://t.co/f1jHUNx42f
Now there's only 2 left, Microp**** and fishing for p****
?s=21Trump’s lawyer who publicly fired Sidney Powell pic.twitter.com/6fLt5u6bvv
— William LeGate (@williamlegate) November 23, 2020
It should say not all Trump supporters, just 99% of them. :)?s=21Trump’s lawyer who publicly fired Sidney Powell pic.twitter.com/6fLt5u6bvv
— William LeGate (@williamlegate) November 23, 2020
?s=21Trump’s lawyer who publicly fired Sidney Powell pic.twitter.com/6fLt5u6bvv
— William LeGate (@williamlegate) November 23, 2020
For everyone posting my comments from five years ago, I’m glad you saw those. It shows how media is absolutely lying to you about President Trump, and when you know the truth, your opinion will change. Mine did.
— Jenna Ellis (@JennaEllisEsq) November 23, 2020
Love the Lord & seek truth always. ❤️
The state notes that Rep. @MikeKellyPA is trying to invalidate an election that he won. You don't usually have standing to claim that you were harmed by an election you won. pic.twitter.com/78LSTQPWTI
— Brad Heath (@bradheath) November 24, 2020
Lol, 2020 the year of the unprecedented.The state notes that Rep. @MikeKellyPA is trying to invalidate an election that he won. You don't usually have standing to claim that you were harmed by an election you won. pic.twitter.com/78LSTQPWTI
— Brad Heath (@bradheath) November 24, 2020
?s=21He says True the Vote's founder and attorney said they were going to file lawsuits in the seven closest battleground states with the goal of obtaining election data in discovery and needed $7.3 million for the effort.
— Cameron Langford (@cam_langford) November 25, 2020
Reports of the FBI finally getting involvedmore deets pls
more deets pls
They requested copies of the data compiled by a pro-Trump group that allegedly shows large numbers of ineligible voters who voted.yea i see. ok
Invalid Tweet ID?s=19He claims he knows the systems are hackable, then jumps to the conclusion it was hacked, with zero indication. Comical speculation. I'm also not quite sure the machines he claims to know to be hackable are the same as any used in the US.
i wonder does twitter put flags on posts where ppl say biden won, saying that this claim is disputed and route you to an article or something?
Is there any mainstream figure who claims Trump still stands a chance? The closest I can find is Mark LevinMost mainstream people on the right will say that it's unlikely, or highly unlikely, that it will be overturned, but that he has every right to explore every legal option.
He claims he knows the systems are hackable, then jumps to the conclusion it was hacked, with zero indication. Comical speculation. I'm also not quite sure the machines he claims to know to be hackable are the same as any used in the US.he said 2 things: 1) the machines are easily hackable and manipulatable and many others including NYT have concluded that.
2) he analyzed the data sets which dictate every voting count collection and the pattern and concluded its statistically improbable and the manipulation must be the result of itYes he claims to have done that, but does not offer any actual indication that fraud was committed.
Funny stuff going on in Georgia.
The judge changed his mind 3 times today
K,Just because your paranoid, it doesn't mean everyone's not out to get you
I was getting nervous that Hillary was going around wiping down the voting machines with bleach!
Funny stuff going on in Georgia.Also worth noting this was in Union County which has 24,000 votes and Trump won 84%
The judge changed his mind 3 times today
?s=21Georgia Secretary of State: "There are those who are exploiting the emotions of many Trump supporters with fantastic claims, half truths and misinformation, and frankly they are misleading the president as well. "
— Brad Heath (@bradheath) November 30, 2020
?s=21One of the witnesses in Sidney Powell’s new Michigan lawsuit says in a declaration he thinks there’s something fishy about election returns in Edison County, MI. Thing is, there is no Edison County in Michigan. pic.twitter.com/yZfDWMAFSP
— Jonathan Oosting (@jonathanoosting) November 30, 2020
I didnt think anyone was watching the republican hearings in Arizona today, but it seems like Twitter was! They suspended the account of one of the witnesses as he was testifying.good.
good.Why?
Why?Because this conspiracy is destroying the foundations of the Country. Twitter is a private company they can do what they want.
Because this conspiracy is destroying the foundations of the Country. Twitter is a private company they can do what they want.Not exactly
Because this conspiracy is destroying the foundations of the Country. Twitter is a private company they can do what they want.Yes they could, but is it a good thing for some random guy to be deciding to censor political speech because they are of the opinion that it is destroying the foundations of the country? Where else will political speech get censored?
?s=08Project Veritas breaking some news tomorrow morning...
— James O'Keefe (@JamesOKeefeIII) December 1, 2020
Not exactlyIn what way?
Yes they could, but is it a good thing for some random guy to be deciding to censor political speech because they are of the opinion that it is destroying the foundations of the country? Where else will political speech get censored?I wish you were right, but unfortunately a large percentage of this Country has gone off the deep end. And while I hear your theory and understand it, I don't believe it's true. I think censoring this dangerous crap is wonderful.
I also dispute that whomever this is (I have no clue who we are referring to) will change one bit about whether it destroys the foundations of the country, quite the contrary. If they are allowed to continue until everything is shown to be stupidities then it will subside. If people start getting censored then it will lead to theory upon theory.
?s=08Project Veritas breaking some news tomorrow morning...
— James O'Keefe (@JamesOKeefeIII) December 1, 2020
Project veritas releasing stuff tomorrow
whoa!Just telling you the truth, you're a fool.
Your acting like youve been quarantined in your basement since March
Go outside for a few min and breath in the fresh air, itll do wonders for you
Not sure what your talking aboutWho won the 2020 election?
Who won the 2020 election?
No one, it still hasnt been certifiedYou post daily BS about stolen elections, you're a fool, and you shouldn't trust yourself to make any important decisions in your life. You don't know how to reason. If more people would tell you this, perhaps you'd change.
Do you think there was any fraud at all?I'm not going to engage with a fool, sorry. Learn how to think. It's not cute and funny anymore.
I'm not going to engage with a fool, sorry. Learn how to think. It's not cute and funny anymore.
I promise you there's more proof of aliens than this insanity.
#stopthestupid
I wish you were right, but unfortunately a large percentage of this Country has gone off the deep end. And while I hear your theory and understand it, I don't believe it's true. I think censoring this dangerous crap is wonderful.Thinking that blocking one random Twitter account of someone testifying in Arizona is going to be helpful in any way is way more foolish than this stupidity.
This is not political speech, it's dangerous misinformation. Just like they can censor Holocaust denial they can censor this. (NO, I'm not saying Trump is Hitler)
Thinking that blocking one random Twitter account of someone testifying in Arizona is going to be helpful in any way is way more foolish than this stupidity.I dont care about this one guy that we both dont know who it is. Im referring to their censoring policy of this BS.
I guess this is the typical liberal way.Im not a liberal, Im a conservative on social issues, and a moderate on economic issues. Thats why I hate Trump. Because Im a real conservative and he destroyed my party.
All name calling and very little substance
I just never woulda thunk there would be one that goes by Baruch
🤷🏻♂️
I dont care about this one guy that we both dont know who it is. Im referring to their censoring policy of this BS.Only cuz you share their beliefs.
Only cuz you share their beliefs.What do you think of censoring Holocaust denial?
What if one day they join PETA and ban any mention of shechita and kosher food ( just giving a random example) would you feel the same way?
What do you think of censoring Holocaust denial?I agree to that. I just dont think it should be up to twitter to Choose what to censor. As much as I hate big government, I think its prob their job. The way twitter censors these days is based a lot on TDS, which is a big problem
I agree to that. I just dont think it should be up to twitter to Choose what to censor. As much as I hate big government, I think its prob their job. The way twitter censors these days is based a lot on TDS, which is a big problemYou want government censoring holocaust denial?
What do you think of censoring Holocaust denial?What do you think of them censoring negative conspiracy theories or news about Biden?
Im not a liberal, Im a conservative on social issues, and a moderate on economic issues. Thats why I hate Trump. Because Im a real conservative and he destroyed my party.If you think Trump destroyed your party then youre aint a real conservative
In what way?They claim protection from liability for content posted on their forum but then they moderate content. It should be one or the other, not both.
If you think Trump destroyed your party then youre aint a real conservativeExplain?
Some "insane" political beliefs and theories can definitely lead to violence etc.
I do think its ok to have a firm, posted, across the board policy regarding violence, incitement, and the like. But political beliefs or theories should definitely be off limits, no matter how insane.
Some "insane" political beliefs and theories can definitely lead to violence etc.Eventually leading to violence is a slippery slope. The US Government does a pretty good job at defining what is and isnt hate speech and incitement. Social media companies should follow their handbook to avoid liability.
Explain?How conservative was the Republican Party pre-Trump and what exactly has he changed
They claim protection from liability for content posted on their forum but then they moderate content. It should be one or the other, not both.Try suing them based on that. You are getting your interpretation of the law from political analysts and not from lawyers.
Section 230 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/47/230) of the Communications Decency Act.
I do think its ok to have a firm, posted, across the board policy regarding violence, incitement, and the like. But political beliefs or theories should definitely be off limits, no matter how insane.
I wish you were right, but unfortunately a large percentage of this Country has gone off the deep end. And while I hear your theory and understand it, I don't believe it's true. I think censoring this dangerous crap is wonderful.This is what happens when the swamp starts draining, they go crazy freaking out that everyone exposing them is destroying the country. You are
This is not political speech, it's dangerous misinformation. Just like they can censor Holocaust denial they can censor this. (NO, I'm not saying Trump is Hitler)
This is what happens when the swamp starts draining, they go crazy freaking out that everyone exposing them is destroying the country. You arepart ofthe problem.
I would love to see the actual facts so I can decide for myself if there is truth to Trumps claim of mass fraud, but the MSM and Big Tech are making it nearly impossible. You may call it conspiracy theories, but the fact that they're hiding everything from the public makes me believe Trumps claims are true.
They claim protection from liability for content posted on their forum but then they moderate content. It should be one or the other, not both.You have that completely backwards. Prior to the CDA, the courts had ruled that companies could go totally hands off in terms of moderation and thereby not be able to be sued for content posted, or they could moderate and be potentially liable for what was posted on their platforms. Section 230 was added to the CDA specifically to allow companies to moderate content without being on the hook legally for what did go up on their platforms.
Section 230 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/47/230) of the Communications Decency Act.
I would love to see the actual facts so I can decide for myself if there is truth to Trumps claim of mass fraud, but the MSM and Big Tech are making it nearly impossible. You may call it conspiracy theories, but the fact that they're hiding everything from the public makes me believe Trumps claims are true.What a pile of nonsense. Every court document in this country is immediately uploaded to a single centralized database. Nobody is stopping you from seeing anything.
What a pile of nonsense. Every court document in this country is immediately uploaded to a single centralized database. Nobody is stopping you from seeing anything.Fpor that matter, just read the claims the Trump team is making. THey are mezuyaf mitocho.
Fpor that matter, just read the claims the Trump team is making. THey are mezuyaf mitocho.Agreed. It is simply incredible how many people are falling for this
What a pile of nonsense. Every court document in this country is immediately uploaded to a single centralized database. Nobody is stopping you from seeing anything.I can't sift through it all, that's the medias job. Unfortunately the media is not doing their job.
I can't sift through it all, that's the medias job. Unfortunately the media is not doing their job.Just check @popehat on Twitter. Or just read one Trump filing. Any!
Do you really want me to believe it's all a bunch of horse poop but the media would rather make believe it doesn't exist than shine a light on it?
I can't sift through it all, that's the medias job. Unfortunately the media is not doing their job.light on it?Oh give me a break. The media doesn't have a job and doesn't owe you anything. There is plenty of Trumpster media, look at them. Heck, look at Trump's tweets.
Oh give me a break. The media doesn't have a job and doesn't owe you anything. There is plenty of Trumpster media, look at them. Heck, look at Trump's tweets.Exactly. Just look at what THEY are saying!
Find me someone doing an honest job disproving all the claims. There was one guy on twitter, I think it was posted on this thread, he did a great job discrediting about 80% of what he discussed but the other 20% got claims that he didn't actually substantiate. The most compelling issues I see right now are obviously the media blackout as well as the massive Biden dumps in the middle of the night in all the states Biden flipped. Yes I know there was 1 that was a typo adding something like 150k for Biden instead of 15k, but that was fixed very soon thereafter, the others were not.How about you find 1 single claim that is substantial? Nobody is going to spend their time debunking every single theory - like the expert witness about Edison County, Michigan, when there is no Edison county anywhere in the US.
I remember when we were told it's ludicrous to think the Obama administration spied on the Trump campaign. Trump has made seemingly outlandish claims in the past that were proven correct, I still don't see much evidence this is any different.
How about you find 1 single claim that is substantial? Nobody is going to spend their time debunking every single theory - like the expert witness about Edison County, Michigan, when there is no Edison county anywhere in the US.Maybe he misspoke and meant a different county name that actually exists. If no one debunks it, why should anyone believe they're false?
Maybe he misspoke and meant a different county name that actually exists. If no one debunks it, why should anyone believe they're false?Misspoke in an affidavit to a court? Lol
Maybe he misspoke and meant a different county name that actually exists. If no one debunks it, why should anyone believe they're false?The best criticism of Trump claims has been by judges in their rulings.
THey are mezuyaf mitocho.I'm actually surprised it's this blatant
?s=21Compare:
— Brad Heath (@bradheath) December 1, 2020
What was filed in court: https://t.co/f3HyTLW43p
What's online: https://t.co/jdpfAYcljn
I'm actually surprised it's this blatantRidiculous.?s=21Compare:
— Brad Heath (@bradheath) December 1, 2020
What was filed in court: https://t.co/f3HyTLW43p
What's online: https://t.co/jdpfAYcljn
Find me someone doing an honest job disproving all the claims. There was one guy on twitter, I think it was posted on this thread, he did a great job discrediting about 80% of what he discussed but the other 20% got claims that he didn't actually substantiate. The most compelling issues I see right now are obviously the media blackout as well as the massive Biden dumps in the middle of the night in all the states Biden flipped. Yes I know there was 1 that was a typo adding something like 150k for Biden instead of 15k, but that was fixed very soon thereafter, the others were not.Come on, man. The burden of proof is on the one making wild claims that are contrary to the current results. If he hasnt been able to bring even one valid *proof*, what in the world would make you believe anything he spews? The onus cant be on the system to prove that there *isnt* fraud, because its impossible to prove a negative. Thats ridiculous.
I remember when we were told it's ludicrous to think the Obama administration spied on the Trump campaign. Trump has made seemingly outlandish claims in the past that were proven correct, I still don't see much evidence this is any different.
Did anyone here watch it??s=08Project Veritas breaking some news tomorrow morning...
— James O'Keefe (@JamesOKeefeIII) December 1, 2020
Project veritas releasing stuff tomorrow
Did anyone here watch it?I think I saw somewhere that it was that they hacked into CNN's meeting or something like that.
Did anyone here watch it?There is nothing to watch, they claim they have recordings from CNN internal meetings and will release them tonight.
The best criticism of Trump claims has been by judges in their rulings.
Also by Trump's AGGuliani & Barr at each others throats again
https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-elections-william-barr-b1f1488796c9a98c4b1a9061a6c7f49d (https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-elections-william-barr-b1f1488796c9a98c4b1a9061a6c7f49d)
Barr didnt name Powell specifically but said: Theres been one assertion that would be systemic fraud and that would be the claim that machines were programmed essentially to skew the election results. And the DHS and DOJ have looked into that, and so far, we havent seen anything to substantiate that, Barr said.
He said people were confusing the use of the federal criminal justice system with allegations that should be made in civil lawsuits. He said such a remedy for those complaints would be a top-down audit conducted by state or local officials, not the U.S. Justice Department.
Theres a growing tendency to use the criminal justice system as sort of a default fix-all, and people dont like something they want the Department of Justice to come in and investigate, Barr said.
He said first of all there must be a basis to believe there is a crime to investigate.
Most claims of fraud are very particularized to a particular set of circumstances or actors or conduct. They are not systemic allegations and. And those have been run down; they are being run down, Barr said. Some have been broad and potentially cover a few thousand votes. They have been followed up on.
Come on, man. The burden of proof is on the one making wild claims that are contrary to the current results. If he hasnt been able to bring even one valid *proof*, what in the world would make you believe anything he spews? The onus cant be on the system to prove that there *isnt* fraud, because its impossible to prove a negative. Thats ridiculous.
I remember when we were told it's ludicrous to think the Obama administration spied on the Trump campaign. Trump has made seemingly outlandish claims in the past that were proven correct, I still don't see much evidence this is any different.
It's truly sad to see that 4 years of Trump's rhetoric has literally rotted some people's thinking ability. NebachMIrror, meet @Baruch
Guliani & Barr at each others throats again
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoLU7JtWEAIg-Lh?format=jpg&name=large)Meant to post this link https://www.wsj.com/articles/tense-relationship-between-barr-and-giuliani-complicates-trump-impeachment-defense-11569942261
While Trump may have made accusations in the past that turned out to be correct, hes also made plenty of claims that have been outright lies. The fact that he alleges something is worth zero without proof. Why have we seen none of it? To claim that therefore it must be true, because you havent seen proof of it being debunked, is absurd. The onus is on him to provide evidence. Is it possible? Sure. Is it likely to be true? Of course not. Its a wild claim.
It's truly sad to see that 4 years of Trump's rhetoric has literally rotted some people's thinking ability. NebachThe lack of self awareness in this post is enough to put a CNN anchor to shame.
It's truly sad to see that 4 years of Trump's rhetoric has literally rotted some people's thinking ability. NebachI read Mishpacha & Ami this week, and found it very enlightening. The frum media is a MAGA echo box with zero attempt at covering both sides of any argument.
I read Mishpacha & Ami this weekBig mistake
MIrror, meet @BaruchYour too intelligent to believe all Trump's lies. But you're too big of a wimp to oppose him. So you're anti anti Trumpers. There are many of you out there...
Your too intelligent to believe all Trump's lies. But you're too big of a wimp to oppose him. So you're anti anti Trumpers. There are many of you out there...I don't believe the lies from his side and I don't believe the baseless garbage from you either.
The lack of self awareness in this post is enough to put a CNN anchor to shame.I truly feel bad for you. You were sucked in by the biggest con-artist. Nebach.
I don't believe the lies from his side and I don't believe the baseless garbage from you either.Yep. Anti anti Trumper: brains - yes, balls - no.
Yep. Anti anti Trumper: brains - yes, balls - no.You can belive what you wish. Considering that each time I called you out you have declined to present any facts I stand by what I wrote that you need to search yourself first. I am anti any stupidity whether pro or anti anyone and you have written almost exclusively that.
I read Mishpacha & Ami this week, and found it very enlightening. The frum media is a MAGA echo box with zero attempt at covering both sides of any argument.I read CNN, ABC & CBS this week, and found it very enlightening. The mainstream media is a Democrat echo box with zero attempt at covering both sides of any argument.
You were sucked in by the biggest con-artist.[citation needed]
Big mistakeTell me about it. But it's nice to look at it from time to time and remind myself how krum they are
I read CNN, ABC & CBS this week, and found it very enlightening. The mainstream media is a Democrat echo box with zero attempt at covering both sides of any argument.Because the other side has gone insane. This used to be a good criticism. Why should they cover an insane conspiracy theory?
You can belive what you wish. Considering that each time I called you out you have declined to present any facts I stand by what I wrote that you need to search yourself first. I am anti any stupidity whether pro or anti anyone and you have written almost exclusively that.What facts have you asked me to provide? I have no clue what youre talking about.
What facts have you asked me to provide? I have no clue what youre talking about.I will try and look back. One that I remember was to back up your calling him a fascist or something like that.
Because the other side has gone insane. This used to be a good criticism. Why should they cover an insane conspiracy theory?Right, this only started 3 weeks ago after the election.
I will try and look back. One that I remember was to back up your calling him a fascist or something like that.This is me calling him a facist
In what way would you want me to "stand up to Trump" anyhow?
Fascist is not the same as Nazi.Maybe if you read what people write you'd understand them better.
Trump is a very very light Fascist. He's more of a Fascist wannabe. I think that's what most people mean when they compare him to the Nazis. But it's stupid to compare, and not so mainstream and common.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism
This is me calling him a facistMaybe if you read what people write you'd understand them better.Do you mean this conversation?
It was in a thread about if Trump is a Nazi.
And our argument wasn't about facts, it was about how to interpret Trump's behavior and rhetoric. But I guess your interpretations are facts.
Fascist is not the same as Nazi.
Trump is a very very light Fascist. He's more of a Fascist wannabe. I think that's what most people mean when they compare him to the Nazis. But it's stupid to compare, and not so mainstream and common.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism
TDS
You have a brain, discuss the facts, TDS is an admission that youd prefer not to discuss the facts.... Sad
It is not like you wrote any factual backing to your assertion at all.
If I need to provide the facts, then I'm already wasting my time. You obviously have "alternative facts".
And I've had this argument with you already on another thread and I did provide facts.
He acts light light fascistic on a weekly basis.
But if you insist
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/how-fascist-is-president-trump-theres-still-a-formula-for-that/2020/08/21/aa023aca-e2fc-11ea-b69b-64f7b0477ed4_story.html
That you feel that just throwing out a statement with no mention of any facts at all and then start jumping on someone that THEY didn't present any facts tells me that he was absolutely correct about You had not mentioned any facts for him to discuss!
You realize this is an opinion piece, I hope. There is very little there in the way of hard facts and almost entirely based on his stupid rhetoric and exagerations of his actions including some which were totally in line with many others. The reasoning is the same as yours. He is a fascist because I decided so now let me find why. No objective reasoning at all.
This is me calling him a facistMaybe if you read what people write you'd understand them better.
It was in a thread about if Trump is a Nazi.
And our argument wasn't about facts, it was about how to interpret Trump's behavior and rhetoric. But I guess your interpretations are facts.
In what way would you want me to "stand up to Trump" anyhow?
Do you mean this conversation?Yes.
Yes.FTFY
That's the conversation in which you claim that I called Trump a facistor something like that..
You define this - "Trump is a very very light Fascist. He's more of a Fascist wannabe" as me calling him a fascist.or something like that.
Also, maybe you should try reading what people write before you respond. You remembered it as me calling Trump a fascist, which was exactly the opposite of what I was saying.LOL
MIrror, meet @Baruch
?s=21I learned through social media today that my name was included in a lawsuit without my permission. To be clear, I am not involved in the lawsuit seeking to overturn the election in Wisconsin.
— Derrick Van Orden (@derrickvanorden) December 1, 2020
I read Mishpacha & Ami this week, and found it very enlightening.
?s=21Show me the graves where the people who didn’t die aren’t buried. https://t.co/6x4T7yDEwp
— stuart stevens (@stuartpstevens) December 2, 2020
I think I saw somewhere that it was that they hacked into CNN's meeting or something like that.
Legal experts say this may be a felony. We‘ve referred it to law enforcement.
— CNN Communications (@CNNPR) December 1, 2020
Theyre probably accusing Okeefe of obtaining it with illegal hacking, not of publishing it.Legal experts say this may be a felony. We‘ve referred it to law enforcement.
— CNN Communications (@CNNPR) December 1, 2020
Is CNN confessing to committing a felony when they published the recordings of Melania?
Theyre probably accusing Okeefe of obtaining it with illegal hacking, not of publishing it.
Based on what are they making that accusation? Is this like Twitter's "hacked information policy"?I can think of many justifications. They may have logs showing nefarious hacking activity. They may know every person who was invited to the call. Its certainly a lot more credible than Trumps fraud allegations
I can think of many justifications. They may have logs showing nefarious hacking activity. They may know every person who was invited to the call. Its certainly a lot more credible than Trumps fraud allegations
You are making claims that they never made, and then assuming they have proof for your claim.You're the one making assumptions here by comparing the 2.
Is CNN confessing to committing a felony when they published the recordings of Melania?
Also by Trump's AGhttps://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/barr-says-no-evidence-widespread-voter-fraud-defying-trump-n1249581
https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-elections-william-barr-b1f1488796c9a98c4b1a9061a6c7f49d (https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-elections-william-barr-b1f1488796c9a98c4b1a9061a6c7f49d)
Barr didnt name Powell specifically but said: Theres been one assertion that would be systemic fraud and that would be the claim that machines were programmed essentially to skew the election results. And the DHS and DOJ have looked into that, and so far, we havent seen anything to substantiate that, Barr said.
He said people were confusing the use of the federal criminal justice system with allegations that should be made in civil lawsuits. He said such a remedy for those complaints would be a top-down audit conducted by state or local officials, not the U.S. Justice Department.
Theres a growing tendency to use the criminal justice system as sort of a default fix-all, and people dont like something they want the Department of Justice to come in and investigate, Barr said.
He said first of all there must be a basis to believe there is a crime to investigate.
Most claims of fraud are very particularized to a particular set of circumstances or actors or conduct. They are not systemic allegations and. And those have been run down; they are being run down, Barr said. Some have been broad and potentially cover a few thousand votes. They have been followed up on.
?s=21This is why they tell you not to mix alcohol and drugs pic.twitter.com/Cs9mMspVUw
— Ron Fournier (@ron_fournier) December 3, 2020
?s=20Unreal what’s being exposed here https://t.co/G00Q18Gfnq
— Cerno (@Cernovich) December 3, 2020
?s=21Holy Shit. Florida GOPer caught on tape telling fellow FL GOPers to make false voter registrations in Georgia so they could vote to save Loeffler and Perdue. He in fact DID register in Georgia and is now under investigation. https://t.co/SUEtGKGR7M
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) December 3, 2020
We finally found the first real voter fraud of 2020
First? Here's just a few examples from the first page of Google results -Those don't count because they fit with the way he wants things to be.
https://kmph.com/news/local/2-charged-with-voter-fraud-in-southern-california
https://kmph.com/news/nation-world/texas-social-worker-charged-134-counts-election-fraud
https://www.wfmz.com/news/area/newjersey/hunterdon-county-makes-arrest-in-voter-fraud-authorities-say/article_455ebad2-212f-11eb-bde1-2fc0d74c0f5e.html
https://www.texastribune.org/2020/10/08/voting-fraud-arrest-carrollton/amp/
https://www.apr.org/post/two-charged-voter-fraud-south-alabama
AZ - Republicans asked to review duplicate ballots to see if any were copied wrong. A judge allowed them to sample 100 (of 28,000), to see if they come up with any issues. They found that 2 of the 100 were switched by poll workers with one going from Trump to Biden, and one going from Trump to no vote. The judge has not yet ruled on their request to review the rest, but the board of elections offered to review another 2,500.2 out of 100 indicates 560 out of 28000. This is perfectly inline with what recounts are expected to change and not at all widespread fraud.
GA - On election night, Republican observers (and the media) were sent home with the claim that counted had stopped and would not continue until the next morning. For the past month, Republicans have been called conspiracy theorist for claiming that they continued counting during the night. Today, Trump's team released surveillance video showing 4 people staying behind, waiting for everyone to leave, and then pulling out 4 suitcases of ballots from under a table and running them through the machine.This is the opposite of the truth.
Trump's team claim of 4 people counting is from 10pm to 1am. Not through the night. It is also not based on any witness or video, it is based on Republican observers being told by news crews counting was happening (aka hearsay), and meeting election workers outside the building at 1am who claimed to have just left.
There is video of them counting after everyone left. Your "rebuttal" is the lie that was told until this video was found. The video came from the building surveillance cameras, not from the board of elections or the SOS.Link? The Trump tweet include an OAN excerpt that doesn't mention a word of that, but does mention the hearsay story I posted.
Link? The Trump tweet include an OAN excerpt that doesn't mention a word of that, but does mention the hearsay story I posted.
I'm not sure if GA law mandates them.
(c) In counties or municipalities using direct recording electronic (DRE) voting systems or optical scanning voting systems, each political party may appoint two poll watchers in each primary or election, each political body may appoint two poll watchers in each election, each nonpartisan candidate may appoint one poll watcher in each nonpartisan election, and each independent candidate may appoint one poll watcher in each election to serve in the locations designated by the superintendent within the tabulating center. Such designated locations shall include the check-in area, the computer room, the duplication area, and such other areas as the superintendent may deem necessary to the assurance of fair and honest procedures in the tabulating center. The poll watchers provided for in this subsection shall be appointed and serve in the same manner as other poll watchers.
Link?
Sorry about the source (especially considering where their source is), but they have a clip here - https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/featured/1925708/watch-this-trump-team-presents-video-evidence-of-blatant-election-fraud-in-georgia.htmlSo let's see if this withstands scrutiny.
Link? The Trump tweet include an OAN excerpt that doesn't mention a word of that, but does mention the hearsay story I posted.
...the OAN excerpt they attached to the tweet shows something completely different.Are we watching the same video/tweet here? because in the one that you posted above she's clearly claiming that it shows what @zh cohen said it did. (namely that they sent out the watchers claiming they were stopping the count then pulled out boxes of ballots from under a table and proceeded to count them unsupervised.)
Are we watching the same video/tweet here? because in the one that you posted above she's clearly claiming that it shows what @zh cohen said it did. (namely that they sent out the watchers claiming they were stopping the count then pulled out boxes of ballots from under a table and proceeded to count them unsupervised.)The video in the tweet does not claim that. The tweet claims that's in the video, but the video has an entirely different story.
The video in the tweet does not claim that.Sure it does. Did you watch it with the sound on?
Sure it does. Did you watch it with the sound on?This is a different clip.
Here's a clip that show's more parts of it.
So let's see if this withstands scrutiny.
YWN cites Russia Today, a known Kremlin propaganda outfit, which in turn cites a Team Trump tweet which claims to show something in an OAN excerpt, yet the OAN excerpt they attached to the tweet shows something completely different. And you fell for it.
?s=20Here's a memo I just sent to the newsroom about why not all of Fulton Co's election results will be counted tonight. Don't freak out. This was anticipated. Most votes will be counted tonight. Read the note. #GAVotes #2020Election #ElectionDay T pic.twitter.com/gZOGTWfeuF
— Andy Pierrotti (@AndyPierrotti) November 4, 2020
Did you watch the video on the bottom of the YWN page? It shows them taking the ballots out from under the table.Which was empty when it was brought in at 8am, while they're trying to imply it was brought in with fraudulent votes inside.
?s=20That monitor briefly leaves to go on a break - and comes back - which I'm sure if the conveniently-chopped video kept going would show.https://t.co/im1Srsfnpx
— stephen fowler (@stphnfwlr) December 3, 2020
It shows footage from 10:30-11pm, which they claim is ballots being counted (until 1am, not through the night).
Then it skips to footage of a table being placed at 08:21am, trying to claim they were counting ballots from under that table at 10:30pm. However, at 1:06 you can see very clearly the table was empty when they placed it there. Whatever was under there wasn't place at 08:21am.
Those don't count because they fit with the way he wants things to be.None of those articles say which side the fraud was done for.
1 - You seem to be very caught up on the "through the night" thing, as if anyone here was claiming that they were counting the whole night.That's because you're focusing on that as evidence of fraud.
GA - On election night, Republican observers (and the media) were sent home with the claim that counted had stopped and would not continue until the next morning. For the past month, Republicans have been called conspiracy theorist for claiming that they continued counting during the night. Today, Trump's team released surveillance video showing 4 people staying behind,
Georgia Republican Party Chairman David Shafer tweeted Wednesday: Fulton County told our observers last night to go home because they were closing up and then continued to count ballots in secret.
County officials disputed that. Barron told the county board of commissioners that when he learned staffers were dismissed at 10:30 p.m. Tuesday night, he advised that some of them needed to stay, county spokeswoman Jessica Corbitt said in an email.
Based on that directive, a smaller crew continued to work through the night, Corbitt said. It may be possible that observers left at the time the majority of the staff left, but from the information we have, the processing area was never closed to observers.
Here are some facts.
The burst pipe was fixed by 8am on Nov 3.
https://www.11alive.com/article/news/politics/elections/georgia-absentee-ballots-ok-after-pipe-bursts-at-state-farm-arena/85-37a6c502-09cd-48eb-8856-15c5602d6aff
The delay of the count was specifically said not to be because of a pipe.?s=20Here's a memo I just sent to the newsroom about why not all of Fulton Co's election results will be counted tonight. Don't freak out. This was anticipated. Most votes will be counted tonight. Read the note. #GAVotes #2020Election #ElectionDay T pic.twitter.com/gZOGTWfeuF
— Andy Pierrotti (@AndyPierrotti) November 4, 2020
There is a reason nobody actually tried to take this nonsense to a court.
Which was empty when it was brought in at 8am, while they're trying to imply it was brought in with fraudulent votes inside.?s=20That monitor briefly leaves to go on a break - and comes back - which I'm sure if the conveniently-chopped video kept going would show.https://t.co/im1Srsfnpx
— stephen fowler (@stphnfwlr) December 3, 2020
Officials sent ballot counters home at 10:30 p.m. and said they'd return at 8:30 a.m. Wednesday.Yet now we have video of them counting after 11.
That's because you're focusing on that as evidence of fraud.
You continue to debunk claims that no-one but you is making.If so, the article I posed is wrong, per the Fulton County statement on Nov 5.
Also, the article you posted writes that Yet now we have video of them counting after 11.
Huh? Where did I say that?
For the past month, Republicans have been called conspiracy theorist for claiming that they continued counting during the night. Today, Trump's team released surveillance video showing 4 people staying behind,Dead wrong. Counting after 10:30pm was acknowledged on Nov 5 by Fulton County and reported by AP.
https://codes.findlaw.com/ga/title-21-elections/ga-code-sect-21-2-408.htmlIt grants them the option to be there. Fulton county, in a Press Release from Nov 5, claims they voluntarily left after a miscommunication from the county.
It grants them the option to be there. Fulton county, in a Press Release from Nov 5, claims they voluntarily left after a miscommunication from the county.lol, let me guess. There was a "miscommunication" when they claimed that the counting was done for the night, and once the observers "voluntarily" left thinking there was no reason to stay there the counting resumed.
lol, let me guess. There was a "miscommunication" when they claimed that the counting was done for the night, and once the observers "voluntarily" left thinking there was no reason to stay there the counting resumed.Definitely not ideal, but so long as the Republican poll-watchers weren't forced to leave, they shouldn't have left.
Nothing suspicious there at all.
None of those articles say which side the fraud was done for.If that is what you call those who disagree with your far out opinions then so be it.
1 of them says it was for Dems, but the article is about a story in 2007.
As usual you don't read before you write. And can never let down the chance to be anti anti Trump.
My usual analysis on you, brains - maybe?, balls - no.
None of those articles say which side the fraud was done for.
If that is what you call those who disagree with your far out opinions then so be it.
Georgia governor now calling for a signature audit
?s=21BREAKING: Gov. Brian Kemp calls for a 'signature audit' after new surveillance video shown today in Georgia.
— Benny (@bennyjohnson) December 4, 2020
https://t.co/5jWMdIlOim
I debunked your claim that counting after 10:30pm was considered a conspiracy theory for a month until footage emerged now. It was officially acknowledged by Fulton County on Nov 5. Do you have anything to say about that or are you going to keep on trying to change the subject?
Trump's team claim of 4 people counting is from 10pm to 1am. Not through the night. It is also not based on any witness or video, it is based on Republican observers being told by news crews counting was happening (aka hearsay), and meeting election workers outside the building at 1am who claimed to have just left.
Invalid Tweet ID?s=21
Believe hes Republican
Definitely not ideal, but so long as the Republican poll-watchers weren't forced to leave, they shouldn't have left.This is ridiculous, this is akin to counting in a secret location, but because they weren't explicitly denied access you're saying it's fine.
Also, there is no evidence of the Poll-Watchers being asked or told to leave. The county claims at one point some of the employees mistakenly thought they would stop counting at 10:30pm.
Finally, even if the County did force poll watchers out, and continue counting votes illegal, there is zero evidence this benefited Biden and not Trump. The Republican Sos had a supervisor in there throughout.
https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-georgia-elections-3e4a91201f3d4f269d7b961e310ed2fe.
This is ridiculous, this is akin to counting in a secret location, but because they weren't explicitly denied access you're saying it's fine.To lie and trick them is fine as long as they weren't forced out by gunpoint. And Trump is a liar.
To lie and trick them is fine as long as they weren't forced out by gunpoint. And Trump is a liar.
This is ridiculous, this is akin to counting in a secret location, but because they weren't explicitly denied access you're saying it's fine.That's total BS. A secret location without informing Poll Watchers isn't an illegitimate count. Poll Watchers knowing there is a count, knowing where it is, and being allowed to be present is no way similar even if some employees mistakenly told them the count would end earlier. A Poll Watcher shouldn't leave a Poll Site until there is nobody left inside or he is dragged out.
The AP article you posted says they shut down for the night, and then changed their mind and told a few people to stay.Nope. It says they decided to shut down, then changed their mind. It does not say they actually shut down.
?s=21An extraordinary exchange between Republican Secretary of State official Gabriel Sterling and Georgia Republican Party chair David Shafer just now about the State Farm Arena surveillance video: pic.twitter.com/BEXkDfxSln
— Brendan Keefe (@BrendanKeefe) December 4, 2020
Submitted without comment.So in an attempt to distract from the fact that your original claim was bogus, you're submitting a post from before I knew of the county's Nov 5 statement, GA Nov 17 investigation, and footage that became viral now, where I correctly pointed out the Trump Team claims you quoted did not cite any evidence and only cited hearsay, as being wrong because in fact there evidence. Yet I was still right, the Trump Team tweets from yesterday don't use this evidence and instead base their claims on hearsay, which is what I claimed.
Frances Watson, chief investigator for the Georgia secretary of state, told Lead Stories during a phone call on December 3, 2020, that the ballots were in standard containers, and the work during the time in question had nothing to do with pulling ballots from under a table. She said:
There wasn't a bin that had ballots in it under that table. It was an empty bin and the ballots from it were actually out on the table when the media were still there, and then it was placed back into the box when the media were still there and placed next to the table.
There was never an announcement made to the media and other observers about the counting being over for the night and them needing to leave, according to Watson, who was provided information by the media liaison, who was present. She said they just followed the "cutters" as they left.
She said:
Nobody told them to stay. Nobody told them to leave. Nobody gave them any advice on what they should do. And It was still open for them or the public to come back in to view at whatever time they wanted to, as long as they were still working.[/i]
In addition, she explained that the only ballots that were scanned after the media and other observers had left were those that had already been opened in front of these observers.
Contrary to the claim, the ballots were not in suitcases, she said. The black boxes and bins seen in the video are the standard container used for the ballot counting process.
A state election board monitor, who asked for his name not to be used due to safety concerns, told Lead Stories on the phone on December 3, 2020, that he was present at the vote counting location beginning at 11:52 p.m., after leaving briefly at earlier in the evening. He then stayed until about 12:45 a.m., when the work that night was completed.
The deputy chief investigator for the secretary of state's office was present beginning at 12:15 a.m. November 4, he said.
The election monitor also told Lead Stories that between 8 p.m. on November 3, 2020, and 12:43 a.m. on November 4, 2020, the scanners had scanned about 10,000 ballots.
According to the Georgia Secretary of State's office, Biden received 2,474,507 votes, while Trump received 2,461,837 -- a winning margin of 12,670 votes for Biden. In other words, the votes counted during this period would not have changed the results of this election even if they all were switched from Trump to Biden.
https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2020/12/fact-check-video-from-ga-does-not-show-suitcases-filled-with-ballots-pulled-from-under-a-table-after-poll-workers-dismissed.html
According to the Georgia Secretary of State's office, Biden received 2,474,507 votes, while Trump received 2,461,837 -- a winning margin of 12,670 votes for Biden. In other words, the votes counted during this period would not have changed the results of this election even if they all were switched from Trump to Biden.This is something I've seen from you and others many times, the claim that because this instance of alleged fraud wouldn't change the election we should just ignore it. You're more than welcome to deny the claim of fraud, but fraud on any significant scale should definitely be a huge concern especially because something like this that would shrink Bidens margin by around 90%. Nevermind the fact that this is assuming the number 10k ballots is accurate, because the machines can tabulate 3k/hour, multiply that by 3 machines for 2 hours and you get 18k which is more than the current margin.
How is that in any way relevant to your claim that the video you posted was the first case of voter fraud in 2020?I quoted his explanation of why I omitted those.
It is amazing how Trump transforms his opponents into mirror images of him...
This is something I've seen from you and others many times, the claim that because this instance of alleged fraud wouldn't change the election we should just ignore it. You're more than welcome to deny the claim of fraud, but fraud on any significant scale should definitely be a huge concern especially because something like this that would shrink Bidens margin by around 90%. Nevermind the fact that this is assuming the number 10k ballots is accurate, because the machines can tabulate 3k/hour, multiply that by 3 machines for 2 hours and you get 18k which is more than the current margin.Honestly, if one good thing comes out from the whole back it forth here it can be better monitoring for fraud or other inequities in the future. I don't think that it is relevant whether it would flip the election. It CAN flip the election in other cases if left to continue. The way Ds fight against ANY investigation of election fraud is, to me the biggest indicator that it is happening somewhere somehow. The fight against investigation is what is destroying confidence in elections more than some silly accusations getting thrown out of court.
This is something I've seen from you and others many times, the claim that because this instance of alleged fraud wouldn't change the election we should just ignore it. You're more than welcome to deny the claim of fraud, but fraud on any significant scale should definitely be a huge concern especially because something like this that would shrink Bidens margin by around 90%.
Nevermind the fact that this is assuming the number 10k ballots is accurate, because the machines can tabulate 3k/hour, multiply that by 3 machines for 2 hours and you get 18k which is more than the current margin.Presumably they have a log of ballots posted during these times which is more reliable than a random YouTube poster with a demonstrated tendency to doctor claims.
The way Ds fight against ANY investigation of election fraud is, to me the biggest indicator that it is happening somewhere somehow. The fight against investigation is what is destroying confidence in elections more than some silly accusations getting thrown out of court.You realize in this story all sides are Republican?
Honestly, if one good thing comes out from the whole back it forth here it can be better monitoring for fraud or other inequities in the future. I don't think that it is relevant whether it would flip the election. It CAN flip the election in other cases if left to continue. The way Ds fight against ANY investigation of election fraud is, to me the biggest indicator that it is happening somewhere somehow. The fight against investigation is what is destroying confidence in elections more than some silly accusations getting thrown out of court.+1
Presumably they have a log of ballots posted during these times which is more reliable than a random YouTube poster with a demonstrated tendency to doctor claims.You don't have to take her claims at face value either.
You realize in this story all sides are Republican?There is only 1 side vehemently denying there is any reason to investigate any of the allegations of fraud.
+1I shall remind you that Bush beat Gore in 2004 because SCOTUS limited the FL recount. The margin ended up at a bit more than 500 votes, and if they would've recount all votes, it's quite possible Gore would've won.
They're not serious about a fair election, any claims they make are solely because they think it will help them win and nothing else. If the Ds were serious about a fair election they would be open to any and all investigations.
You don't have to take her claims at face value either. There is only 1 side vehemently denying there is any reason to investigate any of the allegations of fraud.I tend to trust a GA Republican official investigation, yes.
You realize in this story all sides are Republican?I am not talking about GA right now specifically.
You tend to trust a republican election official investigation??Totally not true. I would trust an official gov investigation either way. That's the difference between me and you.
Haha
Thats only cuz theyre saying what you want them to say.
I am not talking about GA right now specifically.The bottom line is the dumb poor voters who can't be bothered to figure out their ID's and never really have anything to sign to know how to do that, vote D, and they won't want to lose those votes. The actual election processes other than ID are usually bipartisan
Totally not true. I would trust an official gov investigation either way. That's the difference between me and you.Ahh but these people who can't figure out how to get a basic ID were all able to properly fill in the mail in ballots by themselves. MMHHMM.
The bottom line is the dumb poor voters who can't be bothered to figure out their ID's and never really have anything to sign to know how to do that, vote D, and they won't want to lose those votes. The actual election processes other than ID are usually bipartisan
Ahh but these people who can't figure out how to get a basic ID were all able to properly fill in the mail in ballots by themselves. MMHHMM.Filling a mail in ballot takes a lot less effort, and much easier for volunteers to help with than obtaining an ID. I happen to support a voter ID requirement, but that doesn't mean I believe there's widespread fraud.
Comeon man! You are smart enough to know that is a bunch of bunk.
Filling a mail in ballot takes a lot less effort, and much easier for volunteers to help with than obtaining an ID. I happen to support a voter ID requirement, but that doesn't mean I believe there's widespread fraud.The "volunteers" "help" may be part of the fraud. See ballot harvesting.
Let me explain that GA ballot-suitcase video (fake) and why it looks so compelling https://t.co/KetzcXC8bh
— Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) December 4, 2020
The "volunteers" "help" may be part of the fraud. See ballot harvesting.... and may not be.
... and may not be.True. Let's investigate it. But the Ds will stand in the way just like they have in the past.
True. Let's investigate it. But the Ds will stand in the way just like they have in the past.I don't know if that's true, but in any case every side protests investigation that go against their potential votes. That's how the world turns, and why both parties have veto capabilities on election certification.
I shall remind you that Bush beat Gore in 2004 because SCOTUS limited the FL recount. The margin ended up at a bit more than 500 votes, and if they would've recount all votes, it's quite possible Gore would've won.
I guess you don't like transparency when it doesn't suit you.
I don't know if that's true, but in any case every side protests investigation that go against their potential votes. That's how the world turns, and why both parties have veto capabilities on election certification.The FL votes were independently investigated numerous times afterwards with the result remaining the same.
The FL votes were independently investigated numerous times afterwards with the result remaining the same.But were Republicans blocking investigations and transparency at the time?
But were Republicans blocking investigations and transparency at the time?Were there allegations of fraud?
Were there allegations of fraud?Sure, a lot more credible and likely to overturn the election than now.
But were Republicans blocking investigations and transparency at the time?
Sure, a lot more credible and likely to overturn the election than now.I don't remember that, but it was a while ago. Can you point to any source?
I don't remember that, but it was a while ago. Can you point to any source?I didn't read it, just the headline, https://www.nytimes.com/2000/11/10/us/2000-campaign-florida-vote-democrats-tell-problems-polls-across-florida.html
I didn't read it, just the headline, https://www.nytimes.com/2000/11/10/us/2000-campaign-florida-vote-democrats-tell-problems-polls-across-florida.htmlproblems /= fraud.
I didn't read it, just the headline, https://www.nytimes.com/2000/11/10/us/2000-campaign-florida-vote-democrats-tell-problems-polls-across-florida.htmlI didn't read the article either, but from the headline they're claiming there problems "across Florida" yet they wanted the recount limited to 4? heavily democrat counties. Hmmmmm....
I didn't read the article either, but from the headline they're claiming there problems "across Florida" yet they wanted the recount limited to 4? heavily democrat counties. Hmmmmm....Each side want to move it there way. Shocked I tell you.
problems /= fraud.
I didn't read the article either, but from the headline they're claiming there problems "across Florida" yet they wanted the recount limited to 4? heavily democrat counties. Hmmmmm....Sorry I meant the the lines that showed up on the Google search (https://www.google.com/search?safe=strict&sxsrf=ALeKk03v93pwuECcmuQtetzS5SHb-UgEsg%3A1607105764546&ei=5HzKX_7IIKCu5NoP-LGsgAQ&q=were+there+allegations+of+voter+fraud+in+florida+2000&oq=were+there+allegations+of+voter+fraud+in+florida+2000&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQDFAAWABgpAtoAHAAeACAAQCIAQCSAQCYAQCqAQdnd3Mtd2l6&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwj-ytjB97TtAhUgF1kFHfgYC0AQ4dUDCA0) 2nd result
I don't remember that, but it was a while ago. Can you point to any source?
GA counting at 10:30pm-1am without poll watchers = fraud
FL stalled and refused to count ballots they illegally declared flawed despite court orders until a technical deadline = not fraud
https://theconversation.com/a-history-of-contested-presidential-elections-from-samuel-tilden-to-al-gore-149414
The essence was for more nefarious, even if the rhetoric wasn't as inflammatory. I shall remind you Trump lawyers, including Rudy Guliani, have told Courts they do not allege fraud.
?s=21The percentage of absentee ballots for signature issues is .16% in 2018 and .15% in 2020...with the addition of a cure period. @realDonaldTrump is just wrong on the numbers.
— Gabriel Sterling (@GabrielSterling) December 6, 2020
+1You believe this is only true of Ds? Trumps claims are not purely because hes hoping it will help him win and nothing else, and all Trump wants is a fair election?
They're not serious about a fair election, any claims they make are solely because they think it will help them win and nothing else. If the Ds were serious about a fair election they would be open to any and all investigations.
?s=21Georgia notes that Sidney Powell & Co. "attached altered documents" to their complaint. The filings were cropped to remove the dates; she then argued the documents were "undated" in the lawsuit. This is a no-no. pic.twitter.com/38Ggk6ehyf
— Brad Heath (@bradheath) December 6, 2020
?s=21🚨NEW: In an affidavit filed tonight in federal court, the Chief Investigator for the Office of the Georgia Secretary of State states debunks right-wing conspiracy theory that there were ballots secretly hidden under a table. pic.twitter.com/WF0wZe1mqE
— Marc E. Elias (@marceelias) December 7, 2020
Trolls are so uncreative you can block hordes of them at once by muting a few keywords. Adding “Kool-aid” to my list. https://t.co/aTX4nc80bt
— Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) December 7, 2020
?s=211,500 lawyers are calling on bar associations across the country to investigate and, if needed, penalize the members of Trump’s legal team, including Giuliani.https://t.co/m91489qHwh
— Amy Siskind 🏳️🌈 (@Amy_Siskind) December 7, 2020
The Great Barington Declaration.?s=211,500 lawyers are calling on bar associations across the country to investigate and, if needed, penalize the members of Trump’s legal team, including Giuliani.https://t.co/m91489qHwh
— Amy Siskind 🏳️🌈 (@Amy_Siskind) December 7, 2020
?s=21A book found in the house from *2006* pic.twitter.com/WDGlgmLYtM
— Kathryn Watson (@kathrynw5) December 9, 2020
?s=21PA State Senate GOP Majority Leader @SenatorKimWard says she only signed a letter asking Congress to throw out her state’s electoral votes because “if I would say to you, ‘I don’t want to do it,’ I’d get my house bombed tonight.” https://t.co/xG1wqc0Gwo
— Frank Luntz (@FrankLuntz) December 9, 2020
?s=21Republicans have cut the number of Early Voting sites in Georgia’s Cobb County in half — primarily removing sites in minority neighborhoods.
— Nate Lerner (@NathanLerner) December 9, 2020
Cobb County has over half a million voters and went for Biden by 14 points in November.
This is what actual election stealing looks like.
The left is starting to devise their own fraud narrativesMaybe now they'll agree to implement voter ID.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1336713647050153984.html
?s=21This article should be the lead story in mags like The Atlantic or The New York Times. I found on a quick check that E&S machines are used in at least some counties in Maine and Kentucky. Remember, McConnell and Collins won unexpected victories with polling showing them behind.
— Lawrence Dudley📚✍🏻🕵️♀️🍑 (@WriterLDudley) December 22, 2020
Written by probably the only person who didn't expect them to win.?s=21This article should be the lead story in mags like The Atlantic or The New York Times. I found on a quick check that E&S machines are used in at least some counties in Maine and Kentucky. Remember, McConnell and Collins won unexpected victories with polling showing them behind.
— Lawrence Dudley📚✍🏻🕵️♀️🍑 (@WriterLDudley) December 22, 2020
?s=21Rasmussen is now literally quoting Soviet leader Joseph Stalin while suggesting Pence could simply refuse to count Georgia's electoral votes & those of other 'disputed' states (read: states the president lost). At that point, democracy would cease to exist. Stalin was not a hero. pic.twitter.com/CXr7d42WJm
— Brendan Keefe (@BrendanKeefe) December 28, 2020
?s=21Rasmussen is now literally quoting Soviet leader Joseph Stalin while suggesting Pence could simply refuse to count Georgia's electoral votes & those of other 'disputed' states (read: states the president lost). At that point, democracy would cease to exist. Stalin was not a hero. pic.twitter.com/CXr7d42WJm
— Brendan Keefe (@BrendanKeefe) December 28, 2020
Their point about quoting Stalin is dumb, but this idea is the first one I've seen from the Rs that is truly a threat to democracy.
But it isn't coming from politicians, it's coming from media personalities. No?
I find it ironic they're calling him King Trump in all of this. If it would go down this way then he wouldn't be a duly elected president, he'd be a dictatorial monarch.
⚖️NEW: VP Pence has been sued by Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Tex.), Kelli Ward and other GOP mbrs in a far-fetched bid to overturn Biden's win
— John Kruzel (@johnkruzel) December 28, 2020
Plaintiffs ask Judge Jeremy Kernodle, a Trump-appt'd fed judge in Texas, to find that Pence is authorized to pick pro-Trump electors on Jan. 6 pic.twitter.com/BumNwLm5ss
its ridiculous . You either have irrefutable evidence of fraud which courts will look at an overturn the election, or you dont . All these piles of evidence team trump has is just indications that should prompt further investigations. Not evidence of actual fraud itself⚖️NEW: VP Pence has been sued by Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Tex.), Kelli Ward and other GOP mbrs in a far-fetched bid to overturn Biden's win
— John Kruzel (@johnkruzel) December 28, 2020
Plaintiffs ask Judge Jeremy Kernodle, a Trump-appt'd fed judge in Texas, to find that Pence is authorized to pick pro-Trump electors on Jan. 6 pic.twitter.com/BumNwLm5ss
its ridiculous . You either have irrefutable evidence of fraud which courts will look at an overturn the election, or you dont . All these piles of evidence team trump has is just indications that should prompt further investigations. Not evidence of actual fraud itselfSeems like their issue is, that No one is investigating. I might be wrong, but most of the cases in court were thrown out for different reasons and the fraud has never really been investigated.
Seems like their issue is, that No one is investigating. I might be wrong, but most of the cases in court were thrown out for different reasons and the fraud has never really been investigated.Except all of the places where they did conduct investigations and found nothing.
Except all of the places where they did conduct investigations and found nothing.what about the small audit on the machines that returned something 67% errors?
what about the small audit on the machines that returned something 67% errors?Just look for the responses to each allegation.
Honestly my mom watches all this stuff and Im only hearing one side of the argument . I just believe if the courts thought there was a huge smoking gun theyd take the case
?s=21FUN FACT: Trump’s approval rating dropped from 43% to 39% since the election, according to Gallup polling.
— Jon Cooper 🇺🇸 (@joncoopertweets) December 29, 2020
?s=21A Pennsylvania postal worker told federal investigators in a recorded interview that his sworn affidavit had been written by Project Veritas
— True Blue 💙 (@CosmicActorVist) December 28, 2020
Project Veritas could face legal liability for postal worker's ballot fraud allegations, experts say https://t.co/X1Rsdg9e2K via @YahooNews
?s=21The Georgia Bureau of Investigation has finished the signature audit requested by Trump of 15,000 signatures in Cobb County, and found a grand total of 2 mismatches.
— Amy Siskind 🏳️🌈 (@Amy_Siskind) December 29, 2020
womp womp. https://t.co/Z8qeZi33Sm
But the software they used wasn't good or something like that lol?s=21The Georgia Bureau of Investigation has finished the signature audit requested by Trump of 15,000 signatures in Cobb County, and found a grand total of 2 mismatches.
— Amy Siskind 🏳️🌈 (@Amy_Siskind) December 29, 2020
womp womp. https://t.co/Z8qeZi33Sm
I'm surprised the fall isn't greater. His behavior is eye opening.?s=21FUN FACT: Trump’s approval rating dropped from 43% to 39% since the election, according to Gallup polling.
— Jon Cooper 🇺🇸 (@joncoopertweets) December 29, 2020
I'm surprised the fall isn't greater. His behavior is eye opening.He has a strong grip on people. In a year or two as he fades away, people will realize how absurd it all was. His message resonates with people who don't check his actual record.
I'm surprised the fall isn't greater. His behavior is eye opening.It's eye opening to me that only now his behavior is eye opening to other people. I guess I should be happy for them that they've never needed to deal with narcissists.
It's eye opening to me that only now his behavior is eye opening to other people. I guess I should be happy for them that they've never needed to deal with narcissists.It sounds like you have a lot to say on the subject and that you've had your personal experiences...
It sounds like you have a lot to say on the subject and that you've had your personal experiences...Correct. Not for here though ;)
I'm surprised the fall isn't greater. His behavior is eye opening.What did you see about him that you didn't know before?
What did you see about him that you didn't know before?I'm not talking about me, but others I know who had the spell lifted.
I'm not talking about me, but others I know who had the spell lifted.At least now. I think that may have to do with their "side" not winning than his actual behavior.
This morning I was telling someone how the Rs gave away the election by discouraging rarely and mail in voting and were unable to overcome that. He answered stolen blah blah. I told that had they not given it away they could have won by so much that no cheating would help and it was only their incompetence that made them lose it. He was finally hearing something.Good argument
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https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/dec/23/facebook-posts/bogus-analysis-leads-ridiculous-claim-about-biden-/We should use this saga as an example of how seemingly reasonable people can be duped to the point of incoherence. Honestly, does anyone objective (if possible) think there are two reasonable sides to this?
Senator Hawley says he will object on Jan 6thHalevai we should await Moshiach with the same fervor that people await the "new next date" that He will be crowned president.
Pence just canceled a trip overseas that was planned for Jan 6th...
Cobb county was never suspected of fraud, that why they chose to audit it. Trumps team wanted Fulton county to be audited and it seems like they might get it?s=21The Georgia Bureau of Investigation has finished the signature audit requested by Trump of 15,000 signatures in Cobb County, and found a grand total of 2 mismatches.
— Amy Siskind 🏳️🌈 (@Amy_Siskind) December 29, 2020
womp womp. https://t.co/Z8qeZi33Sm
Cobb county was never suspected of fraud, that why they chose to audit it.Fascinating.
Fascinating.Hes on trumps team?
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We should use this saga as an example of how seemingly reasonable people can be duped to the point of incoherence. Honestly, does anyone objective (if possible) think there are two reasonable sides to this?It's astounding. He (this Binney guy) obviously though the 66.2% was of registered voters (hence applying it to the registered voters total), but how did he think they came up with that (imagined) number? The obvious answer would be total votes dividend by total registered voters. If there were truly some number of votes from people who never (even at the time of casting their ballot) registered, we would have no way of tallying that group separately from the total.
Hes on trumps team?Selective memory?
Fascinating indeed
Cobb county was never suspected of fraud
Pence just canceled a trip overseas that was planned for Jan 6th...huh?
huh?Pence cancelled a trip to Israel that was scheduled for Jan 13
why would he plan the trip?
VP presiding over the process goes back over 100 years...
?s=21I wager TRUMP blocking BIDEN’s access to US national security agencies, including intelligence briefings and friendly force locations, is because he has a couple of significant operations up his sleeve which may get the green light before 20 Jan. pic.twitter.com/SUWZELN1wi
— Tobias Ellwood MP (@Tobias_Ellwood) December 29, 2020
Reports of over 10 R senators committing to oppose certifying the 2020 election.Great way to perpetuate the divide in the Republican Party and have the 2024 election look like the current GA runoff polls.
Great way to perpetuate the divide in the Republican Party and have the 2024 election look like the current GA runoff polls.Again with the polls....
Great way to perpetuate the divide in the Republican Party and have the 2024 election look like the current GA runoff polls.You really think this will still be on the radar in 4 years?
You really think this will still be on the radar in 4 years?You think Trump will stop talking about it?
Again with the polls....Almost as irrelevant as election results arent they?
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You think Trump will stop talking about it?
Almost as irrelevant as election results arent they?
?s=21“Now Prestwick Airport has been told to expect the arrival of a US military Boeing 757 aircraft which has been occasionally used by Trump, on January 19 – the day before Mr Biden takes over.” https://t.co/GaNK32EBvI
— Ankit Panda (@nktpnd) January 4, 2021
?s=21Rep. Jim Jordan R-OH in a House Rules Committee hearing today:
— Jamie Dupree (@jamiedupree) January 12, 2021
"I've never said this election was stolen" https://t.co/CxhGcB5Q4O
?s=21Democrats are trying to steal the election, after the election.
— Rep. Jim Jordan (@Jim_Jordan) October 20, 2020
Chief Justice Roberts is letting them do it. https://t.co/SQPh0SYtgl
Again with the polls....
I just saw a poll that 75% of republicans think the elections were fraudulent. I guess your from the other 25%
Lol.
Top Republican aide on House Armed Services Committee Jason Schmid resigns.
— Ryan Goodman (@rgoodlaw) January 12, 2021
His blistering letter calls out congressional Republicans
who propelled "poisonous lie" that election was illegitimate
who now fail to "rebuke these insurrectionists" #CountryOverParty pic.twitter.com/ESwUNdqflt
?s=21Nice bit by @jdawsey1 - Trump has told advisers to stiff Rudy for legal fees, and that he didn't appreciate the demand for $20k a day that Rudy's associate put in writing yet Rudy maintained to me he didn't make https://t.co/bDlXuEWSdo
— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) January 14, 2021
(Bloomberg) - Former Trump campaign lawyer Sidney Powell was sued for defamation by the voting-machine company she repeatedly placed at the center of a vast and unfounded election conspiracy. .. The complaint filed Friday by Dominion Voting Systems Inc. seeks $1.3 billion ..
American Thinker and contributors Andrea Widburg, R.D. Wedge, Brian Tomlinson, and Peggy Ryan have published pieces on www.AmericanThinker.com that falsely accuse US Dominion Inc., Dominion Voting Systems, Inc., and Dominion Voting Systems Corporation (collectively Dominion) of conspiring to steal the November 2020 election from Donald Trump. These pieces rely on discredited sources who have peddled debunked theories about Dominions supposed ties to Venezuela, fraud on Dominions machines that resulted in massive vote switching or weighted votes, and other claims falsely stating that there is credible evidence that Dominion acted fraudulently.
These statements are completely false and have no basis in fact. Industry experts and public officials alike have confirmed that Dominion conducted itself appropriately and that there is simply no evidence to support these claims.
It was wrong for us to publish these false statements. We apologize to Dominion for all of the harm this caused them and their employees. We also apologize to our readers for abandoning 9 journalistic principles and misrepresenting Dominions track record and its limited role in tabulating votes for the November 2020 election. We regret this grave error.
January 6 is a new red-letter day in U.S. history, not just because it was the first time that the Capitol had been ransacked since the War of 1812, but because a subset of the invaders apparently were attempting to disrupt a constitutionally mandated meeting of the Congress, kidnap the vice president, and somehow force him to declare Trump the victor in an election he lost. En route, the mob ultimately injured scores of law-enforcement officers. The attack led to the deaths of two officers and four other Americans. But the toll could have been much worse: Police located pipe bombs at the headquarters of both the Republican and Democratic National Committees. Investigators discovered a vehicle fully loaded with weaponry and what prosecutors are calling homemade napalm bombs.
The violence that Americans witnessedand that might recur in the coming daysis not a protest gone awry or the work of a few bad apples. It is the blossoming of a rotten seed that took root in the Republican Party some time ago and has been nourished by treachery, poor political judgment, and cowardice. When Trump leaves office, my party faces a choice: We can dedicate ourselves to defending the Constitution and perpetuating our best American institutions and traditions, or we can be a party of conspiracy theories, cable-news fantasies, and the ruin that comes with them. We can be the party of Eisenhower, or the party of the conspiracist Alex Jones. We can applaud Officer Goodman or side with the mob he outwitted. We cannot do both.
"If you need troops to protect your inauguration, something is wrong with your election"