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Title: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 05, 2020, 11:00:27 PM
Curious how prevalent the conspiracy theory is.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on November 05, 2020, 11:03:30 PM
You left out "widespread fraud committed by state level Democrats"
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on November 05, 2020, 11:05:34 PM
You left out "widespread fraud committed by state level Democrats"

Such as the PA SOS illegally giving Democrat activists access to records of ballots that were not properly signed, so that said activists could track down the voters and fix the ballot.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: drosenberg88429 on November 05, 2020, 11:06:12 PM
I don't think the election was stolen (I'm personally of the opinion that anyone who wins an election while getting creamed in the popular vote has borderline stolen an election on a technicality and has defied the voice of the people that grants the leader of a democracy legitimacy), but I do think that any reasonable person has to agree that the likelihood of there being hundreds of thousands of illegitimate ballots or ballots cast in other people's names is very high.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 05, 2020, 11:24:30 PM
Such as the PA SOS illegally giving Democrat activists access to records of ballots that were not properly signed, so that said activists could track down the voters and fix the ballot.
I don't know if that happened, I don't if it's illegal, I condone it 100% if it was, but I strongly doubt that swinged the election in PA, much less the country. Also ask yourself if it cancels out against ballots USPS had and didn't deliver contrary to court order, although I would imagine that's not an issue in PA that's accepting ballots until Nov 6.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: yungermanchik on November 05, 2020, 11:27:53 PM
I don't know if that happened, I don't if it's illegal, I condone it 100% if it was, but I strongly doubt that swinged the election in PA, much less the country. Also ask yourself if it cancels out against ballots USPS had and didn't deliver contrary to court order, although I would imagine that's not an issue in PA that's accepting ballots until Nov 6.
I assume you meant to say condemn.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: yesitsme on November 05, 2020, 11:29:50 PM
https://www.yiddish24.com/news/57/28373
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 05, 2020, 11:40:40 PM
I assume you meant to say condemn.
Yeah my bad
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 05, 2020, 11:52:57 PM
Such as the PA SOS illegally giving Democrat activists access to records of ballots that were not properly signed, so that said activists could track down the voters and fix the ballot.
Rick Santorum just said on CNN its impossible to fix a ballot in PA?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: David61 on November 05, 2020, 11:53:42 PM
Curious how prevalent the conspiracy theory is.

Just curious about the poll options. Is it only democrats that are capable of fraud? Or is that merely a reflection of you expectation that Biden won/wins?

Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 05, 2020, 11:55:24 PM
Just curious about the poll options. Is it only democrats that are capable of fraud? Or is that merely a reflection of you expectation that Biden won/wins?
Biden won. So far the only documented case of documented fraud is a Republican lady in Clark but we dont let facts get in the way 
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Jellybelly on November 06, 2020, 12:17:49 AM
Can we change the title from Biden to the Democrats, Biden can barely get thru a complete sentence without a TelePrompter, how could he steal an election??
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aygart on November 06, 2020, 12:23:18 AM
Biden won. So far the only documented case of documented fraud is a Republican lady in Clark but we dont let facts get in the way
Feelings don't care about your facts
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Deal Guy on November 06, 2020, 12:23:31 AM
I was about to start this thread, you beat me to it.

I honestly believe that in the swing states like Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Trump won more votes from people that either voted in person, or filed out mail in ballots on their own, and mailed them in themselves. We'll leave it at that.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aygart on November 06, 2020, 12:24:20 AM
I don't know if that happened, I don't if it's illegal, I condone it 100% if it was, but I strongly doubt that swinged the election in PA, much less the country. Also ask yourself if it cancels out against ballots USPS had and didn't deliver contrary to court order, although I would imagine that's not an issue in PA that's accepting ballots until Nov 6.
Even if legal it is an issue if (keyword) that was allowed for only one side.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: AsherO on November 06, 2020, 12:25:21 AM
Even if legal it is an issue if (keyword) that was allowed for only one side.

The other side didnt have endless such mail-in ballots in the first place.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: yesitsme on November 06, 2020, 12:27:30 AM
https://www.boropark24.com/news/president-trump-s-campaign-manager-predicts-victory-as-the-last-votes-are-counted
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aygart on November 06, 2020, 12:27:35 AM
The other side didnt have endless such mail-in ballots in the first place.
Maybe
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on November 06, 2020, 12:30:54 AM
I don't know if that happened, I don't if it's illegal, I condone it 100% if it was,

Should you be opining on something you don't know about (and don't seem to care enough to research)?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: yuneeq on November 06, 2020, 12:31:52 AM
Biden didn't steal the elections, Trump gifted it to him.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 06, 2020, 12:34:00 AM
These numbers are scary. Right or wrong, our country is in serious trouble.


Should you be opining on something you don't know about (and don't seem to care enough to research)?
So I searched. 93 votes at most. Bush appointed judge leaning to say its legal. Give me a break
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Baglach on November 06, 2020, 12:37:05 AM
@PlatinumGuy how about WI having 90% voter turnout? Some counties having more votes then registered voters? MI having an overnight count of all 138k going to 1 party? Any video with evidence of Fraud being censored by Big tech?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on November 06, 2020, 12:38:24 AM
Rick Santorum just said on CNN its impossible to fix a ballot in PA?

Right, the law does not give that option. Which is why it is wrong that they did it anyway.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: BarryLincoln on November 06, 2020, 12:40:04 AM
Biden didn't steal the elections, Trump China gifted it to him.
FTFY
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Jellybelly on November 06, 2020, 12:43:53 AM
Why werent republicans in philly allowed inside to watch the counting? Was there a reason given?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on November 06, 2020, 12:44:52 AM
Why werent republicans in philly allowed inside to watch the counting? Was there a reason given?

Covid
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: skyguy918 on November 06, 2020, 12:46:06 AM


@PlatinumGuy how about WI having 90% voter turnout? Some counties having more votes then registered voters? MI having an overnight count of all 138k going to 1 party? Any video with evidence of Fraud being censored by Big tech?
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/wisconsin-more-votes-than-voters/

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/voter-fraud-more-votes-voters-2020/

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/rumor-alert-biden-michigan-votes/
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Jellybelly on November 06, 2020, 12:46:37 AM
Covid
Seriously?
Is that also why they covered all the windows?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on November 06, 2020, 12:49:15 AM
Is that also why they covered all the windows?

I think their excuse for that is that people might see/record how people voted.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: good sam on November 06, 2020, 12:51:04 AM
Seriously?
Is that also why they covered all the windows?
Guys quick help me cover all these windows so they don't see all this fraud we're doing.

Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Yehuda57 on November 06, 2020, 12:53:40 AM
Why werent republicans in philly allowed inside to watch the counting? Was there a reason given?

How many were in already?

Here is a thread that goes through many of the claims, there are others, but most are absurd on their face


The idea that there could be large scale fraud with conspiracy from so many parties without worrying that even one person will rat out the operation? Come on.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: good sam on November 06, 2020, 12:57:49 AM


The idea that there could be large scale fraud with conspiracy from so many parties without worrying that even one person will rat out the operation? Come on.
This is the problem with nearly all conspiracy theories. You can't expect that many people to keep a secret.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: skyguy918 on November 06, 2020, 12:58:57 AM
How many were in already?

Here is a thread that goes through many of the claims, there are others, but most are absurd on their face


The idea that there could be large scale fraud with conspiracy from so many parties without worrying that even one person will rat out the operation? Come on.
Been wanting to post about the pair system but couldn't find good sources. That thread does a fantastic job.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Yehuda57 on November 06, 2020, 01:04:57 AM
This is the problem with nearly all conspiracy theories. You can't expect that many people to keep a secret.

But you also can't disprove them, because anyone producing evidence to the contrary is part of the conspiracy
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Kobe Bryant on November 06, 2020, 01:09:35 AM
I don't think the election was stolen (I'm personally of the opinion that anyone who wins an election while getting creamed in the popular vote has borderline stolen an election on a technicality and has defied the voice of the people that grants the leader of a democracy legitimacy), but I do think that any reasonable person has to agree that the likelihood of there being hundreds of thousands of illegitimate ballots or ballots cast in other people's names is very high.
I'm personally of the opinion that you skipped out on class when it came to civic studies.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 06, 2020, 01:25:56 AM
I don't think the election was stolen (I'm personally of the opinion that anyone who wins an election while getting creamed in the popular vote has borderline stolen an election on a technicality and has defied the voice of the people that grants the leader of a democracy legitimacy), but I do think that any reasonable person has to agree that the likelihood of there being hundreds of thousands of illegitimate ballots or ballots cast in other people's names is very high.
We should be grateful it was corrected this time around.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: ah giten on November 06, 2020, 01:59:10 AM
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 06, 2020, 02:00:09 AM
Legal!
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: ah giten on November 06, 2020, 02:26:55 AM
Legal!
To collect or to count?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 06, 2020, 02:33:34 AM
To collect or to count?
Both as long as they arrive by Nov 6. SCOTUS 4-4 left that intact
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: ah giten on November 06, 2020, 02:38:08 AM
Both as long as they arrive by Nov 6. SCOTUS 4-4 left that intact
Wow, I wouldn't think something like that would make sense...

Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 06, 2020, 02:39:49 AM
Wow, I wouldn't think something like that would make sense...
NC is keeping radio silence but theyre counting ballots received until Nov 12
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: ah giten on November 06, 2020, 02:52:38 AM
Legal!
So Trump can still win PA if he can get to harvest enough ballots?
Insane IMHO.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 06, 2020, 02:54:26 AM
So Trump can still win PA if he can get to harvest enough ballots?
Insane IMHO.
Law enforcement will catch anything that big but yeah.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 06, 2020, 07:34:24 AM
Georgia is controlled by the R's but the D's stole the election.  ::)
I have never seen so much crying in my life.
You got conned by one of the best conman of all time so don't be to hard on yourself!!!
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: yesitsme on November 06, 2020, 07:53:21 AM
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: yesitsme on November 06, 2020, 07:54:02 AM
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: good sam on November 06, 2020, 07:54:48 AM
Georgia is controlled by the R's but the D's stole the election.  ::)
I have never seen so much crying in my life.
You got conned by one of the best conman of all time so don't be to hard on yourself!!!
Not too many around here are saying he stole the election, only a handful. I'm assuming you weren't born yet in 2016 when there was a whole lot of crying.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 06, 2020, 07:54:48 AM
Now he is drinking the kool-aid. I didn't see he that coming.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: good sam on November 06, 2020, 07:55:56 AM
Now he is drinking the kool-aid. I didn't see he that coming.
Which part do you disagree with?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 06, 2020, 07:56:37 AM
Not too many around here are saying he stole the election, only a handful. I'm assuming you weren't born yet in 2016 when there was a whole lot of crying.
They were crying because he won and there was a ton of it. The crying now is because they think the election was stolen.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: YitzyS on November 06, 2020, 07:57:01 AM
So far, 60 percent of DDFers believe that this election was stolen from Trump. I know that there are some conspiracy theorists here, but most of us are balanced enough that you cannot disregard 60 percent of DDF.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: good sam on November 06, 2020, 07:57:28 AM
They were crying because he won and there was a ton of it. The crying now is because they think the election was stolen.
I guess you really weren't born yet in 2016
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 06, 2020, 07:58:16 AM
Which part do you disagree with?
The part were he is repeating the WH line claiming the election was stolen. Now if you don't think that is his point then I have a bridge to sell you.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: yesitsme on November 06, 2020, 07:59:11 AM
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 06, 2020, 08:00:00 AM
I guess you really weren't born yet in 2016
No I was born in a time when no matter how much you were against someone you were still capable of looking at something objectively.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: good sam on November 06, 2020, 08:00:54 AM
The part were he is repeating the WH line claiming the election was stolen. Now if you don't think that is his point then I have a bridge to sell you.
It's not. His point was there was no widespread fraud and Biden will be president. Read some of his other tweets and listen to his podcast. You are making incorrect assumptions
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: good sam on November 06, 2020, 08:01:36 AM
No I was born in a time when no matter how much you were against someone you were still capable of looking at something objectively.
Granted, so you must have been on vacation in 2016.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 06, 2020, 08:06:40 AM
It's not. His point was there was no widespread fraud and Biden will be president. Read some of his other tweets and listen to his podcast. You are making incorrect assumptions
When you repeat the WH line of course an assumption will be made. I have seen enough of his tweets to know he is not fair and balanced.

Does he have a tweet where he states the election was not stolen?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Jellybelly on November 06, 2020, 08:09:28 AM
No I was born in a time when no matter how much you were against someone you were still capable of looking at something objectively.
everything besides for Trump 🙄
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: AsherO on November 06, 2020, 08:10:13 AM
When you repeat the WH line of course an assumption will be made. I have seen enough of his tweets to know he is not fair and balanced.

Does he have a tweet where he states the election was not stolen?

In defense of CVs position (I think), Ben also retweeted this:

Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Jellybelly on November 06, 2020, 08:11:24 AM
Does anyone here follow project veritas?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 06, 2020, 08:13:43 AM
everything besides for Trump 🙄
Especially with Trump but as long as you keep drinking the kool-aid you will never see it. I really feel bad for all of you that have been conned and still don't know it.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: ah giten on November 06, 2020, 08:14:02 AM
Does anyone here follow project veritas?
yes.
notthing widescale, yet.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on November 06, 2020, 08:47:35 AM
Georgia is controlled by the R's but the D's stole the election.  ::)

The counting is done by county board of elections.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 06, 2020, 09:03:51 AM
The counting is done by county board of elections.
Thanks for proving my point. Overwhelmingly R's!!!
Remember the D's complained the governorship was stolen by the R's in control. That was BS just as this is BS!!!

Look all over the country. There is a massive blue wave with the mail in votes even in controlled R states. Stop drinking the kool-aid and wake up.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Mordyk on November 06, 2020, 09:07:38 AM
Thanks for proving my point. Overwhelmingly R's!!!
Remember the D's complained the governorship was stolen by the R's in control. That was BS just as this is BS!!!

Look all over the country. There is a massive blue wave with the mail in votes even in controlled R states. Stop drinking the kool-aid and wake up.
there is no massive blue wave anywhere.  nothing is massive here.   we all need to look in the mirror and figure out how we can all act like adults for the good of this country and not just play politics
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 06, 2020, 09:13:14 AM
there is no massive blue wave anywhere.  nothing is massive here.   we all need to look in the mirror and figure out how we can all act like adults for the good of this country and not just play politics
You missed the point. The blue wave is the mail in votes. They are going 80%+ for Biden. If you count them last of course Biden will come back. This isn't rocket science.

You want to act like adults then stop the baseless claims and bring the real claims to the court.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: yuneeq on November 06, 2020, 09:29:49 AM
They were crying because he won and there was a ton of it. The crying now is because they think the election was stolen.

Bad memory? Not my president! Trump didnt win the popular vote and the electoral vote is a scam, hes illegitimate, Trump colluded with Russia to steal the election, what rock have you been hiding under?

Before you squeeze out some narrow difference, just accept the fact that the most crying youve ever heard is in 2016. Im hopeful 2020 crying will not last long.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 06, 2020, 09:35:39 AM
Bad memory? Not my president! Trump didnt win the popular vote and the electoral vote is a scam, hes illegitimate, Trump colluded with Russia to steal the election, what rock have you been hiding under?

Before you squeeze out some narrow difference, just accept the fact that the most crying youve ever heard is in 2016. Im hopeful 2020 crying will not last long.
I am talking about the members here. Not the nut jobs at the both ends of the spectrum out there.
You ever see me say Trump wasn't my president? Just the opposite. On many occasions I said he is my/our/everyone's president.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: good sam on November 06, 2020, 09:48:16 AM
Thanks for proving my point. Overwhelmingly R's!!!
Remember the D's complained the governorship was stolen by the R's in control. That was BS just as this is BS!!!

Look all over the country. There is a massive blue wave with the mail in votes even in controlled R states. Stop drinking the kool-aid and wake up.
You raise a good point. Where were all the media folks to tell us how dangerous it was when Stacy Abrams was undermining faith in the elections?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: yuneeq on November 06, 2020, 09:50:21 AM
I am talking about the members here. Not the nut jobs at the both ends of the spectrum out there.
You ever see me say Trump wasn't my president? Just the opposite. On many occasions I said he is my/our/everyone's president.

If youre talking about DDFers of course you havent seen them cry more in 2016. But perhaps if you were around in 2008 ;D
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 06, 2020, 09:51:30 AM
You raise a good point. Where were all the media folks to tell us how dangerous it was when Stacy Abrams was undermining faith in the elections?
Most of the media slants left so they backed up here position. The right media called her claim BS.
I call her claim and Trumps claims total BS. That is fair and balanced!!!
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 06, 2020, 09:53:31 AM
If youre talking about DDFers of course you havent seen them cry more in 2016. But perhaps if you were around in 2008 ;D
Was it really this bad back then? They didn't claim he didn't win the election. They did try and say he wasn't an American but that was based in racism.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: skyguy918 on November 06, 2020, 10:18:34 AM
You raise a good point. Where were all the media folks to tell us how dangerous it was when Stacy Abrams was undermining faith in the elections?
Meh, not a great comparison. What is termed voter suppression is often perfectly legal. The undermining is that it's not a fair system, not that the system is not being adhered to. D's generally go after the latter, while Trump is now attacking the former.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: avromie7 on November 06, 2020, 10:37:52 AM
Legal!
No way!! Ballots can not be accepted by USPS after election day and still be counted in ANY state!
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Mordyk on November 06, 2020, 10:40:23 AM

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Post by: zh cohen on November 06, 2020, 10:45:33 AM
Thanks for proving my point. Overwhelmingly R's!!!

The Fulton county board of elections is overwhelmingly Republican? That's news to me.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 06, 2020, 11:01:02 AM
The Fulton county board of elections is overwhelmingly Republican? That's news to me.
The counties in the state.  ::)
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on November 06, 2020, 11:09:23 AM
The counties in the state.  ::)

Right, but Biden's votes didn't come from those counties, they came from counties run by Democrats.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 06, 2020, 11:13:20 AM
Right, but Biden's votes didn't come from those counties, they came from counties run by Democrats.
You might want to check but he is winning in all mail in votes no matter which county it is in.
Mail in voting isn't a blue wave it is a tsunami.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aygart on November 06, 2020, 11:17:57 AM
Did anyone fact check this? I don't see anywhere, but looks conspiracy theory type.

Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 06, 2020, 11:19:35 AM
Did anyone fact check this? I don't see anywhere, but looks conspiracy theory type.

Didn't look at.
https://www.snopes.com/
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: avromie7 on November 06, 2020, 11:28:05 AM
Did anyone fact check this? I don't see anywhere, but looks conspiracy theory type.

I checked numbers 100, 101, and 102 on the list, it says

"Absentee ballot

Your clerk has not recorded receiving your AV Application."


I guess that list is registered voters, not actual votes. The only way to know if any significant number of them voted would be to go thru the list.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 06, 2020, 11:29:06 AM
No way!! Ballots can not be accepted by USPS after election day and still be counted in ANY state!
I thought the video shows them handling ballots they already have.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: avromie7 on November 06, 2020, 11:29:52 AM
I thought the video shows them handling ballots they already have.
That's not what I understood to be happening.
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Post by: SwellCindy on November 06, 2020, 11:33:46 AM

Is this "conspiracy type" as well? Asking seriously.

I've been hearing about DHS watermarking & barcoding ballots to identify fraud, if there was any. Claim is that although each state prints its own ballots, paper is supplied by DHS.

Curious when someone here says "fact checked" - how is something like this, or other claims, fact checked? Are we the FBI or CIA? Or does fact checked mean it isn't seen on popular news sites? Isn't the media fake news that can't be trusted anyway?

I'm confused.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 06, 2020, 11:36:56 AM
Curious when someone here says "fact checked" - how is something like this, or other claims, fact checked? Are we the FBI or CIA? Or does fact checked mean it isn't seen on popular news sites? Isn't the media fake news that can't be trusted anyway?

I'm confused.
Many use this site that seems to be fair.
https://www.snopes.com/
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: skyguy918 on November 06, 2020, 11:39:05 AM
Did anyone fact check this? I don't see anywhere, but looks conspiracy theory type.

Why would you post it without doing some fact checking yourself? Do you not see how that's part of the problem?

It's not a list of people who a vote has been recorded for. You'd have to whittle it down to actual votes, and then confirm deaths. My guess is that if someone put in the work, they'd find some fraud, but again - not in any significant numbers.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 06, 2020, 11:40:42 AM
Why would you post it without doing some fact checking yourself?
I will take a gallon of gas for $100 Alex.  :)
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Jellybelly on November 06, 2020, 11:43:43 AM
You might want to check but he is winning in all mail in votes no matter which county it is in.
Mail in voting isn't a blue wave it is a tsunami.
Hmmm, maybe because its easier to do fraud thru the mail 🙄
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 06, 2020, 11:44:33 AM
Hmmm, maybe because its easier to do fraud thru the mail 🙄
It is Friday so I expect the kool-aid.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: yesitsme on November 06, 2020, 11:44:59 AM
Why can't the voting system be tied to the ssn? I never registered to pay tax I still gotta pay, why shouldn't I be able to vote on the same basis?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 06, 2020, 11:46:11 AM
Why can't the voting system be tied to the ssn? I never registered to pay tax I still gotta pay, why shouldn't I be able to vote on the same basis?
Privacy issues. Whatever that means.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: lansky on November 06, 2020, 11:47:38 AM
Many use this site that seems to be fair.
https://www.snopes.com/
snopes is a liberal site funded by the likes of sorres under the guise of being independent, not to be trusted anything it says just like you
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: yesitsme on November 06, 2020, 11:47:54 AM
Now that they share databases between states I don't see how its any better we are not in the 1960's
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: avromie7 on November 06, 2020, 11:48:36 AM
Is this "conspiracy type" as well? Asking seriously.

I've been hearing about DHS watermarking & barcoding ballots to identify fraud, if there was any. Claim is that although each state prints its own ballots, paper is supplied by DHS.

Curious when someone here says "fact checked" - how is something like this, or other claims, fact checked? Are we the FBI or CIA? Or does fact checked mean it isn't seen on popular news sites? Isn't the media fake news that can't be trusted anyway?

I'm confused.
It is 100% false. DHS has no part in printing ballots, the ballots are printed by the states or counties.
Many use this site that seems to be fair.
https://www.snopes.com/
Snopes is a partisan hack. Unfortunately all "fact checkers" are partisan.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 06, 2020, 11:49:13 AM
Privacy issues. Whatever that means.
National registry of people and numbering them is critical for an authoritarian regime. Forcing people to be numbered is a bit like taking away their right to bear arms. Social Security kinds makes that pointless but that's the theory. Many less libertarian countries like Israel have National ID numbers.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Yehuda57 on November 06, 2020, 11:50:54 AM
Didn't look at.
https://www.snopes.com/

Snopes is not reliable for anything politics related.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 06, 2020, 11:52:13 AM
Amazing how everybody is focusing on discrediting the person with the opposite views.

Nobody asked you to trust snopes. Just have a look there to get the opposite argument and decide on the merits.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 06, 2020, 11:53:12 AM
snopes is a liberal site funded by the likes of sorres under the guise of being independent, not to be trusted anything it says just like you
I love Fridays. Tell us how you really feel about me?  :P
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 06, 2020, 11:54:00 AM
Snopes is a partisan hack. Unfortunately all "fact checkers" are partisan.
Then PUOSU what they get wrong.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: avromie7 on November 06, 2020, 11:57:28 AM
Amazing how everybody is focusing on discrediting the person with the opposite views.

Nobody asked you to trust snopes. Just have a look there to get the opposite argument and decide on the merits.
Then PUOSU what they get wrong.
Many use this site that seems to be fair.
https://www.snopes.com/
You claimed it's fair and I called you out on it, don't go attacking me now.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Jellybelly on November 06, 2020, 11:57:54 AM
Amazing how everybody is focusing on discrediting the person with the opposite views.

Nobody asked you to trust snopes. Just have a look there to get the opposite argument and decide on the merits.
Oh, a different DDFer just said snopes is fair I guess it depends who you ask
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Yehuda57 on November 06, 2020, 12:00:10 PM
Amazing how everybody is focusing on discrediting the person with the opposite views.

Nobody asked you to trust snopes. Just have a look there to get the opposite argument and decide on the merits.

That's not at all what happened. Someone came with a claim, someone else said to go to snopes to fact check. Then a few of us pointed out that they are not reliable fact checkers. If you're saying it's a matter of looking left and right and deciding which is correct, that's one thing, but it was presented as an objective way to find the truth, which it isn't.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 06, 2020, 12:01:39 PM
You claimed it's fair and I called you out on it, don't go attacking me now.
I see nothing wrong with their analysis. You claim they are a hack. Can you point me to some of their info you take issue with. This is called PUOSU!  :)
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: elimmm on November 06, 2020, 12:04:56 PM
I received multiple ballots in the mail. More than one ballot in my name, plus multiple ballots of people who no longer live at address. I only filled out one. I left the others intact. I could have given the others to someone else to fill out and would have never gotten caught. The only likely way of getting caught is with handwriting analysis, which they'd only compare the ballots delivered to my door with each other, and once they see that I didnt fill them out, I'd be off the hook. No real risk on my part. Nothing stopping anyone from doing this and multiplying there vote by a lot. The system is so messed up.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Jellybelly on November 06, 2020, 12:05:48 PM
I see nothing wrong with their analysis. You claim they are a hack. Can you point me to some of their info you take issue with. This is called PUOSU!  :)
I dont think Ive ever been on the site before in my life, I was just pointing out the discrepancy Between you saying its fair and the other liberal DDFer here admitting that its liberal
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 06, 2020, 12:06:54 PM
The Fat Lady has sung and the votes keep going up for Biden.
I guess the crooks didn't get the memo to stop stealing votes as they are no longer needed.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 06, 2020, 12:08:01 PM
I dont think Ive ever been on the site before in my life, I was just pointing out the discrepancy Between you saying its fair and the other liberal DDFer here admitting that its liberal
You can be liberal and fair. You can also be conservative and fair. I expect ACB to back me up on this.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: KSMH on November 06, 2020, 12:08:20 PM
Explanation?

This is  a real vid, check the actual county source for location verification.

https://delcopa.gov/vote/stream.html


Looks sketchy to me.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Jellybelly on November 06, 2020, 12:08:36 PM
I received multiple ballots in the mail. More than one ballot in my name, plus multiple ballots of people who no longer live at address. I only filled out one. I left the others intact. I could have given the others to someone else to fill out and would have never gotten caught. The only likely way of getting caught is with handwriting analysis, which they'd only compare the ballots delivered to my door with each other, and once they see that I didnt fill them out, I'd be off the hook. No real risk on my part. Nothing stopping anyone from doing this and multiplying there vote by a lot. The system is so messed up.
+10000
Ive been saying this all along, Ive been  telling people that the worst thing that would happen is that they would notice that you voted twice and disqualify both votes. But there is no chance for any fine or jail time as you can always deny it was you. How can they prove that it was you who filled out the other ballots?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: elimmm on November 06, 2020, 12:09:48 PM
btw, my point:
mail voting is SO much easier to cheat (it takes more guts to wait on line and personally sign someone elses signature- hoping that person wont show up afterwards and find their name already signed, also a man cant claim to be woman, its obvios to election workers.. except in NYC- LOL)

so, if the Dems are only winning because of mail-ins, its possible that they didnt really win
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: KSMH on November 06, 2020, 12:10:27 PM
+10000
Ive been saying this all along, Ive been  telling people that the worst thing that would happen is that they would notice that you voted twice and disqualify both votes. But there is no chance for any fine or jail time as you can always deny it was you. How can they prove that it was you who filled out the other ballots?

In many states someone had to request those ballots thus making it harder for fraud, I believe PA and GA was of those states.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aygart on November 06, 2020, 12:13:00 PM
Why would you post it without doing some fact checking yourself? Do you not see how that's part of the problem?

Because I can post it here and have someone do it. :P
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: elimmm on November 06, 2020, 12:13:35 PM
+10000
Ive been saying this all along, Ive been  telling people that the worst thing that would happen is that they would notice that you voted twice and disqualify both votes. But there is no chance for any fine or jail time as you can always deny it was you. How can they prove that it was you who filled out the other ballots?

if you google it, the very few stories where people were caught were either handwriting analysis or that they bragged to friends/ undercover reporters
with mail in-s that were passed to someone else, its virtually impossible to catch or even invalidate the actual vote
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aygart on November 06, 2020, 12:14:32 PM
It is 100% false. DHS has no part in printing ballots, the ballots are printed by the states or counties. Snopes is a partisan hack. Unfortunately all "fact checkers" are partisan.
Fact checking is a form of opinion journalism.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: elimmm on November 06, 2020, 12:16:48 PM
In many states someone had to request those ballots thus making it harder for fraud, I believe PA and GA was of those states.

in ny for example, u had to request the ballot, but only needed a name and birthdate to request, so u could request for anyone, u didnt even need to register an email address or username...
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 06, 2020, 01:19:29 PM
Trumps overall support in Detroit: 2016 3.11% 2020 5.06%.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: S209 on November 06, 2020, 01:20:48 PM
in ny for example, u had to request the ballot, but only needed a name and birthdate to request, so u could request for anyone, u didnt even need to register an email address or username...
Yes, then they mail it to the known address of the fellow requesting the ballot.. do you see how it might be hard to commit widespread fraud?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 06, 2020, 01:25:31 PM
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Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 06, 2020, 01:47:46 PM
Trumps overall support in Detroit: 2016 3.11% 2020 5.06%.
?s=21
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 06, 2020, 03:02:11 PM
?s=21

Arizona AG, I believe a Republican
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: lansky on November 06, 2020, 03:29:37 PM
Pretty easy get your hands on those voter's and take in like in Minnesota nursing home that's exactly what happened
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: lansky on November 06, 2020, 03:31:17 PM
You might want to check but he is winning in all mail in votes no matter which county it is in.
Mail in voting isn't a blue wave it is a tsunami.
a tsunami of fraud true
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: S209 on November 06, 2020, 03:32:32 PM
a tsunami of fraud true
Source?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 06, 2020, 03:34:41 PM
?s=21
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: yuneeq on November 06, 2020, 03:35:52 PM
a tsunami of fraud true

Is that you, Meyer?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 06, 2020, 03:39:08 PM
a tsunami of fraud true
Keep drinking the kool-aid.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 06, 2020, 03:45:22 PM
https://news.yahoo.com/wisconsin-republicans-caught-apparently-encouraging-141226986.html
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 06, 2020, 04:16:56 PM
If you go back 20 years you will see the sides were flipped. It is basically a repeat except this time we have nutcase Trump involved.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 06, 2020, 04:22:14 PM
If the D's stole all these state elections why didn't they do it in FL?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 06, 2020, 04:29:25 PM
Turn on FOX and watch TDS on full display.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: pomy100 on November 07, 2020, 04:53:33 PM
Count Valentine <redacted>

Please keep things civil, thank you
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: nucheiner on November 07, 2020, 06:40:24 PM
If the D's stole all these state elections why didn't they do it in FL?
Republican controlled.

Nobody on a state level will investigate in a democrat controlled state which allows someone to play around without fear of prosecution.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 07, 2020, 06:41:50 PM
Republican controlled.

Nobody on a state level will investigate in a democrat controlled state which allows someone to play around without fear of prosecution.
Isn't Georgia R controlled?  :)
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aradisc on November 07, 2020, 06:42:17 PM
Shavua tov everyone
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: lansky on November 07, 2020, 07:00:12 PM
500 reporters run by liberals that's very reliable
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Yehudaa on November 07, 2020, 07:00:48 PM
Count Valentine mamesh a mamzer
I'm not following this conversation, but that was uncalled for.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 07, 2020, 07:02:39 PM
I'm not following this conversation, but that was uncalled for.
Have no idea what it means but going to assume I have been called worse.  :)
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Mordyk on November 07, 2020, 07:03:20 PM
Have no idea what it means but going to assume I have been called worse.  :)
I doubt it ;D
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: lansky on November 07, 2020, 07:04:17 PM
Source?
a poll watcher on the ground in Michigan live . And of course the liberal media says it was legit what a surprise. Of course the judges that denied the lawsuits because they were appointed by Obama and if you see the logic why they did it should make you cringe
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 07, 2020, 07:05:28 PM
a poll watcher on the ground in Michigan live . And of course the liberal media says it was legit what a surprise. Of course the judges that denied the lawsuits because they were appointed by Obama and if you see the logic why they did it should make you cringe
Some of the judges not allowing these frivolous suits were appointed by R's.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: lansky on November 07, 2020, 07:09:46 PM
If the D's stole all these state elections why didn't they do it in FL?
how about because most of the counting was done that night , where as  magic in middle of the night in the states that sleepy needed to win 100ks of votes show up and places like Wisconsin, Nevada which had above 90% turnout when the average was 60% just to knock out a president they hate very believable
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: lansky on November 07, 2020, 07:10:38 PM
Some of the judges not allowing these frivolous suits were appointed by R's.
name them besides not always being elected by Republicans does it mean there not liberal for example Roberts, O'Connor
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: yesitsme on November 07, 2020, 07:18:55 PM
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 07, 2020, 07:21:01 PM
name them besides not always being elected by Republicans does it mean there not liberal for example Roberts, O'Connor
Why waste my time when you are just drinking the kool-aid?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: good sam on November 07, 2020, 07:21:54 PM
Count Valentine mamesh a mamzer
Mods please
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: yesitsme on November 07, 2020, 07:22:19 PM
https://www.change.org/p/the-supreme-court-of-the-united-states-recount-or-revote-the-entire-2020-presidential-election
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 07, 2020, 07:24:49 PM
Mods please
Everyone has a right to there opinion.
I promise not to use this to play the victim here.  :)
@Lurker
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: drosenberg88429 on November 07, 2020, 07:25:56 PM
Mods please

He's a man. He can handle someone flying off their handle and throwing around inappropriate insults. People get emotional when their preferred candidate loses.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: good sam on November 07, 2020, 07:26:32 PM
Everyone has a right to there opinion.
I promise not to use this to play the victim here.  :)
@Lurker
No excuse for that kind of language. Should not be allowed here.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: yesitsme on November 07, 2020, 07:34:53 PM
https://data.pa.gov/Government-Efficiency-Citizen-Engagement/2020-General-Election-Mail-Ballot-Requests-Departm/mcba-yywm
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: avromie7 on November 07, 2020, 07:35:04 PM
https://www.clintonfoundation.org/clinton-global-initiative/commitments/delian-project-democracy-through-technology  (https://www.clintonfoundation.org/clinton-global-initiative/commitments/delian-project-democracy-through-technology) Dominion is the software used in many states, including the county in MI that gave 3300 trump votes to Biden.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: AsherO on November 07, 2020, 07:51:34 PM
Shavua tov everyone

Silly claim if these observers observed in-person voting sites. Regardless of whether the merits of mail-in ballot fraud or counting fraud are true or not, you cant refute them by observing in person voting.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: good sam on November 07, 2020, 07:54:28 PM
Silly claim if these observers observed in-person voting sites. Regardless of whether the merits of mail-in ballot fraud or counting fraud are true or not, you cant refute them by observing in person voting.
She's talking about efficiency, not integrity.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: AsherO on November 07, 2020, 07:58:50 PM
She's talking about efficiency, not integrity.

The claims are not going to be about whether voting sites were well managed. Cmon man.

My personal location was a mess when I arrived early on ED to vote. There were conflicting messages from the people working there and some of the employees sent people who waited on one line into another door that led to nowhere (out another door to the back of the line). So much for their 500 reporters and well managed.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: good sam on November 07, 2020, 07:59:30 PM
The claims are not going to be about whether voting sites were well managed. Cmon man.

My personal location was a mess when I arrived early on ED to vote. There were conflicting messages from the people working there and some of the employees sent people who waited on one line into another door that led to nowhere (out another door to the back of the line). So much for their 500 reporters and well managed.
I'm not supporting her claim, just explaining it.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: AsherO on November 07, 2020, 08:00:43 PM
I'm not supporting her claim, just explaining it.

Thanks, but I still dont understand.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: lansky on November 07, 2020, 08:01:35 PM
Why waste my time when you are just drinking the kool-aid?
nothing like a liberal when it comes to facts and has nothing and all of the sudden he's wasting his time because all he's other messages aren't. To all people with a open brain check out corruption in Michigan and Pennsylvania there's plenty of video evidence,  witnesses  as more time goes on more will come out including the corrupt governors of those states
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 07, 2020, 08:03:39 PM
nothing like a liberal when it comes to facts and has nothing and all of the sudden he's wasting his time because all he's other messages aren't. To all people with a open brain check out corruption in Michigan and Pennsylvania there's plenty of video evidence,  witnesses  as more time goes on more will come out including the corrupt governors of those states
Any R appointed judge I post you will have your kool-aid spin.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: S209 on November 07, 2020, 08:12:12 PM
a poll watcher on the ground in Michigan live . And of course the liberal media says it was legit what a surprise. Of course the judges that denied the lawsuits because they were appointed by Obama and if you see the logic why they did it should make you cringe
nothing like a liberal when it comes to facts and has nothing and all of the sudden he's wasting his time because all he's other messages aren't. To all people with a open brain check out corruption in Michigan and Pennsylvania there's plenty of video evidence,  witnesses  as more time goes on more will come out including the corrupt governors of those states
If theres plenty of evidence of widespread fraud, please post it. Id love to see what youre talking about.

Do I have to want to believe in order to believe?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aradisc on November 07, 2020, 08:16:02 PM
I suspect the claim reflects on the fact that in the midst of a global pandemic, with huge increases in voting by mail for a election system mostly not built around it (other than Oregon), and voter turnout levels not seen in over 100 years, the election actually happened, and the votes were counted, with few disturbances or controversy (other than some conspiracy theories here and there). It's actually a testament to the robustness of American democracy.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on November 07, 2020, 11:42:44 PM
If theres plenty of evidence of widespread fraud, please post it. Id love to see what youre talking about.

The PA SC wrote that they can only change the deadline for receiving ballots if they found it unconstitutional (or if a problem arose on the day of the election).

The law that set that deadline was the same law that allowed mail in voting in the first place.

The law explicitly said that if any part of the law was found unconstitutional, then the whole law is invalid.

4 Judges who were elected as Democrats illegally changed the rules of an election to benefit Biden. If that's not widespread enough for you, I'm not sure what is.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aygart on November 07, 2020, 11:50:30 PM
The PA SC wrote that they can only change the deadline for receiving ballots if they found it unconstitutional (or if a problem arose on the day of the election).

The law that set that deadline was the same law that allowed mail in voting in the first place.

The law explicitly said that if any part of the law was found unconstitutional, then the whole law is invalid.

4 Judges who were elected as Democrats illegally changed the rules of an election to benefit Biden. If that's not widespread enough for you, I'm not sure what is.
So then let the court undo it? They are appealable.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 07, 2020, 11:52:27 PM
So then let the court undo it? They are appealable.
Not nearly enough votes in question, hence why it's not widespread

SCOTUS already ruled to segregate these votes in the meantime.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Willie on November 08, 2020, 12:00:44 AM
If theres plenty of evidence of widespread fraud, please post it. Id love to see what youre talking about.

Do I have to want to believe in order to believe?

Over 6,000 votes In Nevada already found to be casted by people who have left the state and are ineligible to vote there
anymore, cant wait to see how many dead people voted there!

Poll watchers not allowed for more than 24 hours in Philly is definitely concerning

132k Votes in Wisconsin dropped at 4AM, not sure how not one of them was for trump but maybe its possible

First hand reports from postal workers told to back date ballots so that they say Nov 3rd on it and can be counted

Election machines in Michigan randomly double count biden votes which has since been corrected and no 6k more votes for trump

Counties with 90%+ voter turnout when they have never had above 50% before

Im sure there are more but this is a start.

And also a couple more things:

Judge Jeanine's show on fox news cancelled tonight after she supposedly was gonna report on election fraud

do you really believe that biden who had 20 cars at all his rallies got more votes than obama?





Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aygart on November 08, 2020, 12:00:52 AM
Not nearly enough votes in question, hence why it's not widespread

SCOTUS already ruled to segregate these votes in the meantime.
agreed
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on November 08, 2020, 12:02:05 AM
So then let the court undo it? They are appealable.

SCOTUS can't overrule their interpretation  of PA state law (or constitution). The only way SCOTUS can get involved is if there is a violation of the US Constitution.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on November 08, 2020, 12:03:01 AM
Not nearly enough votes in question, hence why it's not widespread

Interesting definition of widespread.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Willie on November 08, 2020, 12:04:36 AM
Not nearly enough votes in question, hence why it's not widespread

SCOTUS already ruled to segregate these votes in the meantime.

Totally disagree: Some states are so close dont think it will be too hard to find
that many fraudulent ballots

Georgia- 10k
Wisconsin- 20k
Nevada- 30k
Pennsylvania-40k
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: yesitsme on November 08, 2020, 12:06:25 AM
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 08, 2020, 12:07:58 AM
Totally disagree: Some states are so close dont think it will be too hard to find
that many fraudulent ballots

Georgia- 10k
Wisconsin- 20k
Nevada- 30k
Pennsylvania-40k
He was referencing a specific PA SC ruling that doesn't impact enough votes.

You forgot Arizona. It's nearly impossible to invalidate fraudulent votes (you have to prove who they voted for)
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aygart on November 08, 2020, 12:08:50 AM
He was referencing a specific PA SC ruling that doesn't impact enough votes.

You forgot Arizona. It's nearly impossible to invalidate fraudulent votes (you have to prove who they voted for)
A specific case not widespread LOL
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Jellybelly on November 08, 2020, 12:09:45 AM
Not nearly enough votes in question, hence why it's not widespread

SCOTUS already ruled to segregate these votes in the meantime.

I heard that penn didnt listen to that ruling and yesterday scotus had to order them again to keep them separate
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: BarryLincoln on November 08, 2020, 12:10:47 AM
At this point, I am hopeful that Trumps election defense committee can help uncover the evidence of fraud that, perhaps, may have played a part in Bidens election, and pass that evidence along to the Justice department who will take the lead in investigating.  American people deserve to know if there was any interference.

Heres a piece by a drum guy, Jeff Ballabon, where he outlines how the fraud might be uncovered...

https://townhall.com/columnists/jeffballabon/2020/11/07/call-in-the-quants-n2579638
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 08, 2020, 12:11:05 AM
I heard that penn didnt listen to that ruling and yesterday scotus had to order them again to keep them separate
SCOTUS doesn't order 'again'. You heard wrongly.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on November 08, 2020, 12:16:34 AM
SCOTUS doesn't order 'again'. You heard wrongly.

PA told SCOTUS before the election that the votes would be segregated and SCOTUS relied on that statement.

After the election, it was unclear if PA was actually keeping the ballots separate, so SCOTUS ordered that they do so.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: lansky on November 08, 2020, 12:17:30 AM
SCOTUS doesn't order 'again'. You heard wrongly.
the fact that he had to do it in the first place proves the point, and how the da has a job after saying if every vote is counted trump will lose is beyond me I'd love someone to argue with me on that point to prove how little logic some people have here
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Jellybelly on November 08, 2020, 12:19:10 AM
SCOTUS doesn't order 'again'. You heard wrongly.
Very possible, but it wasnt on purposely
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: lansky on November 08, 2020, 12:20:15 AM
Any R appointed judge I post you will have your kool-aid spin.
still waiting you'll probably find one of ten and point to that one vigorously
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 08, 2020, 12:27:52 AM
PA told SCOTUS before the election that the votes would be segregated and SCOTUS relied on that statement.

After the election, it was unclear if PA was actually keeping the ballots separate, so SCOTUS ordered that they do so.

SCOTUS never 'relied' on that statement. They said the PA AG made that statement, and it was up to the GOP to decide if they're satisfied by that, and explicitly gave them to option to appeal to SCOTUS to require.

So in short, PA never disobeyed SCOTUS, rather the GOP was negligent in requesting SCOTUS to actually rule on it until after the elections. The GOP is the one that decided to rely on the PA statement.

There is yet to be evidence that PA wasn't segregating the ballots before the SCOTUS order.


REPUBLICAN PARTY OF PENNSYLVANIA v. BOOCKVAR Statement of ALITO, J.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/20pdf/20-542_i3dj.pdf


Quote
In addition, the Courts denial of the motion to expedite is not a denial of a request for this Court to order that ballots received after election day be segregated so that if the State Supreme Courts decision is ultimately overturned, a targeted remedy will be available. Petitioner represents that it will apply to this Court to ob- tain that modest relief, Reply in Support of Motion for Ex- pedited Review 3, and Respondent DPP agrees that such relief is appropriate, Opp. to Motion for Expedited Review

 7. Although the Pennsylvania Supreme Court rejected Pe- titioners request for that relief, we have been informed by the Pennsylvania Attorney General that the Secretary of the Commonwealth issued guidance today directing county boards of elections to segregate ballots received between 8:00 p.m. on November 3, 2020, and 5:00 p.m. on November 6, 2020. Nothing in the Courts order today precludes Petitioner from applying to this Court for relief if, for some reason, it is not satisfied with the Secretarys guidance.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 08, 2020, 12:48:16 AM
https://www.gofundme.com/f/support-richard-hopkins-the-erie-pa-whistleblower

Looks like somebody is trying to make a quick buck...
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Euclid on November 08, 2020, 12:49:43 AM
https://www.gofundme.com/f/support-richard-hopkins-the-erie-pa-whistleblower

Looks like somebody is trying to make a quick buck...
Gotta say this is brilliant. Can't believe GoFundMe is allowing this after the wall fiasco.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 08, 2020, 12:55:12 AM
Gotta say this is brilliant. Can't believe GoFundMe is allowing this after the wall fiasco.
They're probably all out dancing in SF...
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: mgarfin on November 08, 2020, 01:44:43 AM
The poll is missing the option "I don't know"
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: chayal101 on November 08, 2020, 02:41:15 AM
So far, 60 percent of DDFers believe that this election was stolen from Trump. I know that there are some conspiracy theorists here, but most of us are balanced enough that you cannot disregard 60 percent of DDF.
All it takes is common sense!

Pennsylvania- 600k+ additional votes vs 2016 election
Michigan- 600k+ additional votes vs 2016
Wisconsin- 400k+ a additional votes vs 2016
Nevada - 200k+ additional votes vs 2016
Arizona- 800k+ additional votes vs 2016 (500k more votes for Biden vs Hilary)!!
We know that turnout was through the roof, but these #s??!!? How can anyone NOT question it??

Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: yuneeq on November 08, 2020, 02:43:27 AM
All it takes is common sense!

Pennsylvania- 600k+ additional votes vs 2016 election
Michigan- 600k+ additional votes vs 2016
Wisconsin- 400k+ a additional votes vs 2016
Nevada - 200k+ additional votes vs 2016
Arizona- 800k+ additional votes vs 2016 (500k more votes for Biden vs Hilary)!!
We know that turnout was through the roof, but these #s??!!? How can anyone NOT question it??

Its perfectly fine to have questions, but you have to be willing to hear answers you may not like.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 08, 2020, 02:47:12 AM
All it takes is common sense!

Pennsylvania- 600k+ additional votes vs 2016 election
Michigan- 600k+ additional votes vs 2016
Wisconsin- 400k+ a additional votes vs 2016
Nevada - 200k+ additional votes vs 2016
Arizona- 800k+ additional votes vs 2016 (500k more votes for Biden vs Hilary)!!
We know that turnout was through the roof, but these #s??!!? How can anyone NOT question it??
Turnout growth in these states is lower than Texas and other states that Trump won. How can anybody NOT realize that?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: chayal101 on November 08, 2020, 02:47:17 AM
Its perfectly fine to have questions, but you have to be willing to hear answers you may not like.
Agree! You won't hear me saying there was cheating on only one side..
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 08, 2020, 04:24:42 AM
Over 6,000 votes In Nevada already found to be casted by people who have left the state and are ineligible to vote there
anymore, cant wait to see how many dead people voted there!

Poll watchers not allowed for more than 24 hours in Philly is definitely concerning

132k Votes in Wisconsin dropped at 4AM, not sure how not one of them was for trump but maybe its possible

First hand reports from postal workers told to back date ballots so that they say Nov 3rd on it and can be counted

Election machines in Michigan randomly double count biden votes which has since been corrected and no 6k more votes for trump

Counties with 90%+ voter turnout when they have never had above 50% before

Im sure there are more but this is a start.

And also a couple more things:

Judge Jeanine's show on fox news cancelled tonight after she supposedly was gonna report on election fraud

do you really believe that biden who had 20 cars at all his rallies got more votes than obama?
Thank for the conspiracy theories but where is the proof?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 08, 2020, 04:49:09 AM
still waiting you'll probably find one of ten and point to that one vigorously
https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/ultra-conservative-judge-assigned-to-texas-republicans-lawsuit-which-seeks-to-toss-out-117000-ballots-in-harris-county/

The challenge was initially viewed as futile, but that outlook shifted Saturday when the case landed before U.S. District Judge Andrew S. Hanen. Hanen, who was appointed to the federal bench by President George W. Bush and has been described as ultra conservative and one of the most notoriously partisan conservatives in the federal judiciary, is best remembered for reprimanding DOJ attorneys in the Obama administration for lying to him. He barred them from his courtroom and required 3,000 of the departments lawyers in 26 states to take ethics classes.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 08, 2020, 05:23:23 AM
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: YitzyS on November 08, 2020, 08:25:28 AM
People here are saying great reasons, but everyone missed the boat. There is one irrefutable proof that Trump was poised to win and Biden stole the election:

The Yated endorsed Trump.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: yesitsme on November 08, 2020, 10:45:44 AM

Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 08, 2020, 10:48:15 AM

This moron knows the law and votes are still allowed to be counted. Why are all these R's against counting the votes of our great service men and women serving overseas?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on November 08, 2020, 10:52:45 AM
Why are all these R's against counting the votes of our great service men and women serving overseas?

You must have missed the memo. Now the Democrat talking points is that counting the votes and allowing the process to play out is bad
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 08, 2020, 10:54:55 AM
You must have missed the memo. Now the Democrat talking points is that counting the votes and allowing the process to play out is bad
#fakenews
You didn't answer the question because it is a disgrace trying to disallow military votes. What a bunch of scumbags!!!
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: yesitsme on November 08, 2020, 10:56:11 AM
Point me to one mention of not counting military ballots
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 08, 2020, 11:00:07 AM
Point me to one mention of not counting military ballots
Nevada. They want to throw out votes for individuals that don't have residence there. Military are allowed to vote there without official residence.
They want no votes counted being received after 11/3. Military votes are allowed to be counted even if received after 11/3. Depending on the state it can be 7 days or more.
Do I need to continue?  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Willie on November 08, 2020, 11:07:09 AM
Nevada. They want to throw out votes for individuals that don't have residence there. Military are allowed to vote there without official residence.
They want no votes counted being received after 11/3. Military votes are allowed to be counted even if received after 11/3. Depending on the state it can be 7 days or more.
Do I need to continue?  >:( >:( >:(

So the 6k+ votes that are in question are all military, talk about conspiracy theorists...
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 08, 2020, 11:13:30 AM
So the 6k+ votes that are in question are all military, talk about conspiracy theorists...
I never said that but nice spin. Trying to disallow 1 military vote is a disgrace.
Stopping the count on 11/3 would most likely disallow thousands of military votes.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Willie on November 08, 2020, 12:01:42 PM
I never said that but nice spin. Trying to disallow 1 military vote is a disgrace.
Stopping the count on 11/3 would most likely disallow thousands of military votes.
Totally agree, so anyone who moved out of the state thats not in the military and still voted, their vote should be cancelled.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 08, 2020, 12:05:35 PM
Totally agree, so anyone who moved out of the state thats not in the military and still voted, their vote should be cancelled.
Depends on the state. Nevada has some rules about college kids and other situations.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on November 08, 2020, 12:11:39 PM
I never said that but nice spin. Trying to disallow 1 military vote is a disgrace.

Allowing one illegal ballot is also a disgrace. The Trump campaign found many ballots that seem to be illegitimate. They referred it to the authorities to look into. Some of them might be legitimate, and should be counted. Others (and if they did their job properly most) will be illegitimate and would have canceled out a valid vote if not for the Trump campaign doing the board of elections job for it.

Stopping the count on 11/3 would most likely disallow thousands of military votes.

Overseas ballots are dealt with the differently (and have different laws) than other mail-in ballots. Anyone conflating the two is either ignorant, a Democrat hack or a troll (maybe all three).
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 08, 2020, 12:32:26 PM
Overseas ballots are dealt with the differently (and have different laws) than other mail-in ballots. Anyone conflating the two is either ignorant, a Democrat hack or a troll (maybe all three).
Mail in votes also have different laws. Anyone conflating the two is either ignorant, a hack or a troll (maybe all three).
Stopping the count on 11/3 would disallow thousands of legal military votes and tens of thousands (if not millions) of legal mail in votes.
Try and show an ounce of objectivity.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: drosenberg88429 on November 08, 2020, 12:37:37 PM
Why do people assume that Biden voters were more likely to cast fraudulent votes than Trump voters?

If it's just about legitimate ballots that were dropped into post box before election but were not processed in time, I'm having a hard time feeling sufficiently scandalized by that, especially since Biden won the popular vote by so many votes.

I'm as displeased with the results as the next guy, but I think it's pretty clear who more Americans voted for.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 08, 2020, 12:39:40 PM
Why do people assume that Biden voters were more likely to cast fraudulent votes than Trump voters?
Some can't look at anything objectively. They would make the worse jurors.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on November 08, 2020, 01:13:26 PM
Mail in votes also have different laws. Anyone conflating the two is either ignorant, a hack or a troll (maybe all three).

Different than what?

Stopping the count on 11/3 would disallow thousands of legal military votes and tens of thousands (if not millions) of legal mail in votes.
Try and show an ounce of objectivity.

Of course they should count all the legally cast ballots. The Trump campaign wanted it to stop being done in secret. (And yes, Trump says a lot of stupid things that hurt him)
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on November 08, 2020, 01:14:22 PM
Why do people assume that Biden voters were more likely to cast fraudulent votes than Trump voters?

If it's just about legitimate ballots that were dropped into post box before election but were not processed in time, I'm having a hard time feeling sufficiently scandalized by that, especially since Biden won the popular vote by so many votes.

I'm as displeased with the results as the next guy, but I think it's pretty clear who more Americans voted for.

It's about sticking to the rules, and not changing them to benefit one side.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: S209 on November 08, 2020, 01:31:46 PM
The PA SC wrote that they can only change the deadline for receiving ballots if they found it unconstitutional (or if a problem arose on the day of the election).

The law that set that deadline was the same law that allowed mail in voting in the first place.

The law explicitly said that if any part of the law was found unconstitutional, then the whole law is invalid.

4 Judges who were elected as Democrats illegally changed the rules of an election to benefit Biden. If that's not widespread enough for you, I'm not sure what is.
So to be clear, your evidence of widespread fraud is a public ruling you disagree with by a state Supreme Court that a conservative SCOTUS has thus far not chosen to rule on? Interesting way of looking at things.

It's about sticking to the rules, and not changing them to benefit one side.
Such as what?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 08, 2020, 01:54:43 PM
Different than what?
Than voting in person and military votes.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 08, 2020, 01:56:27 PM
Interesting way of looking at things.
You are to kind.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: biscotti on November 08, 2020, 02:08:32 PM
This thread does not make me hopeful about America's ability to resist authoritarian/facist rhetoric or regimes.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 08, 2020, 02:13:00 PM
This thread does not make me hopeful about America's ability to resist authoritarian/facist rhetoric or regimes.
This thread represents .00000000000001 of America.  ;)
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: biscotti on November 08, 2020, 02:16:08 PM
This thread represents .00000000000001 of America.  ;)

Unfortunately this stat is not of much comfort because these people are presumably more highly educated than the average conservative and more aware of the dangers of authoritarianism than the average conservative.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Euclid on November 08, 2020, 02:18:14 PM
Unfortunately this stat is not of much comfort because these people are presumably more highly educated than the average conservative and more aware of the dangers of authoritarianism than the average conservative.
What type of education? Based on my experience here, I'd say the majority of DDFers do not have more than a high school education (if that). Internet != education.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: MosheS4 on November 08, 2020, 02:18:35 PM
https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2020/10/08/carrollton-mayoral-candidate-zul-mirza-mohamed-arrested-voter-fraud/

For all those suggesting voter fraud doesn't happen with mail in ballots..

It really boils down to who is in control of local and state politics to decide if they would/should allow it and it usually depends who it favors.

JUST FYI, those who know don't talk and those who talk don't usually know..........

IT HAPPENS WAY TO OFTEN EVEN IN SMALL SCALE  ELECTIONS. And I mean elections that attracts 1k votes total...

ITS SAD but TRUE
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: S209 on November 08, 2020, 02:19:41 PM
This thread represents .00000000000001 of America.  ;)
Unfortunately, this threads view is representative of around a third of America, IMO.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on November 08, 2020, 03:13:27 PM
Than voting in person and military votes.

So the guy conflating mail in and Military is
either ignorant, a hack or a troll (maybe all three).
?

You should have a chat with the guy who said
Nevada. They want to throw out votes for individuals that don't have residence there. Military are allowed to vote there without official residence.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 08, 2020, 03:17:56 PM
So the guy conflating mail in and Military is?

You should have a chat with the guy who said
You really need to put down the kool-aid.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: yesitsme on November 08, 2020, 03:19:06 PM
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on November 08, 2020, 03:45:37 PM
You really need to put down the kool-aid.

Great comeback. You win.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 08, 2020, 03:48:05 PM
Great comeback. You win.
You keep talking nonsense. The Nevada ballots they were talking about included military ballots. They don't need residency. What part of this don't you understand?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: yesitsme on November 08, 2020, 04:12:34 PM
When Obama won we got a mandate, Trump wins Russia collusion, Biden likely the Americans have spoken and we got a mandate
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 08, 2020, 04:35:10 PM
When Obama won we got a mandate, Trump wins Russia collusion, Biden likely the Americans have spoken and we got a mandate
If he wins electoral vote, most popular vote of any candidate in history and most states what would you call it?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: yesitsme on November 08, 2020, 04:43:37 PM
A fraudster  :P
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 08, 2020, 05:02:05 PM
A fraudster  :P
The kool-aid is flowing!!!
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Ergel on November 08, 2020, 05:32:47 PM
If he wins electoral vote, most popular vote of any candidate in history and most states what would you call it?
Oh come on. To say this vote was a repudiation of Trump and a mandate for the democrats is just a different color kool-aid
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 08, 2020, 05:44:35 PM
Oh come on. To say this vote was a repudiation of Trump and a mandate for the democrats is just a different color kool-aid
I said the vote was against Trump and not for Biden in another post and was told I was nuts. Which way is it?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Ergel on November 08, 2020, 05:46:45 PM
I said the vote was against Trump and not for Biden in another post and was told I was nuts. Which way is it?
It's both.
But a mandate comes from a broad coalition of Americans crossing party lines to coalesce behind a vision, not a partisan vote.
If he would have won the popular vote by 9 or 10 points like the polls were saying and ended up with 350 electoral votes, then that would be a mandate.
But getting the same number of electoral votes that Trump got 4 years ago, that ain't no mandate
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 08, 2020, 05:48:38 PM
It's both.
But a mandate comes from a broad coalition of Americans crossing party lines to coalesce behind a vision, not a partisan vote.
If he would have won the popular vote by 9 or 10 points like the polls were saying and ended up with 350 electoral votes, then that would be a mandate.
But getting the same number of electoral votes that Trump got 4 years ago, that ain't no mandate
This was an anti-Trump vote. The kool-aid drinkers just can't except that.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Ergel on November 08, 2020, 05:54:03 PM
This was an anti-Trump vote. The kool-aid drinkers just can't except that.
How much more did he lose the popular vote by in 2020 vs. 2016?
(https://i.postimg.cc/TwxrXCLz/image.png) (https://postimages.org/)
That's as of now. It's sure to grow. But by how much? Another percentage point or two?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 08, 2020, 05:55:13 PM
How much more did he lose the popular vote by in 2020 vs. 2016?
We dont know yet. NY has 1.2m uncounted mail in ballots
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 08, 2020, 05:55:36 PM
How much more did he lose the popular vote by in 2020 vs. 2016?
About 2% and 3mm in 2016. But remember even back then he said he won the popular vote and the 3mm were illegal votes. Sound familiar?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Ergel on November 08, 2020, 05:57:18 PM
About 2% and 3mm in 2016. But remember even back then he said he won the popular vote and the 3mm were illegal votes. Sound familiar?
Eh, bringing up numbers and not percentages is disingenuous and you know it, you can bring up raw numbers on the other side the same way
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Ergel on November 08, 2020, 05:58:03 PM
About 2% and 3mm in 2016. But remember even back then he said he won the popular vote and the 3mm were illegal votes. Sound familiar?
(https://i.postimg.cc/TwxrXCLz/image.png) (https://postimages.org/)
This is as of now. It's sure to grow, but how much? Maybe another 2%?
(source: https://cookpolitical.com/2020-national-popular-vote-tracker)
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 08, 2020, 05:58:47 PM
How much more did he lose the popular vote by in 2020 vs. 2016?
(https://i.postimg.cc/TwxrXCLz/image.png) (https://postimages.org/)
That's as of now. It's sure to grow. But by how much? Another percentage point or two?
Yes but why did all those other millions of people show up to vote. Was it because Biden was this strong candidate? Not a chance.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Ergel on November 08, 2020, 05:59:01 PM
This was an anti-Trump vote. The kool-aid drinkers just can't except that.
Of course it was anti-Trump. Same way in 2016 it was anti-Trump. It didn't shift that much
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Ergel on November 08, 2020, 05:59:16 PM
Yes but why did all those other millions of people show up to vote. Was it because Biden was this strong candidate? Not a chance.
And why did millions moreshow up to support Trump? Hint: it's not because they like him more in 2020
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 08, 2020, 05:59:51 PM
Eh, bringing up numbers and not percentages is disingenuous and you know it, you can bring up raw numbers on the other side the same way
I gave percentage and total. How can I be more fair?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Ergel on November 08, 2020, 06:00:35 PM
I gave percentage and total. How can I be more fair?
Bringing up 3 million because it seems like a big number is disingenuous
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 08, 2020, 06:01:48 PM
And why did millions moreshow up to support Trump? Hint: it's not because they like him more in 2020
According to the kool-aid drinkers here they showed up because they love his policies. That is a vote for Trump.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Ergel on November 08, 2020, 06:02:39 PM
I don't like Trump. I think he's a disgusting human being and a pathological liar.
I just don't see this election as anything more than voting him out of office because the left doesn't like him, just they have more evidence of that than in 2016 and people are upset because of the pandemic
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 08, 2020, 06:03:14 PM
Bringing up 3 million because it seems like a big number is disingenuous
Now you drinking the kool-aid. I gave both so you can compare both to 2020.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 08, 2020, 06:04:15 PM
I don't like Trump. I think he's a disgusting human being and a pathological liar.
I just don't see this election as anything more than voting him out of office because the left doesn't like him, just they have more evidence of that than in 2016 and people are upset because of the pandemic
Then what are we arguing about? I said it was an anti-Trump vote.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Willie on November 08, 2020, 07:49:12 PM
@CountValentine I see you calling a lot of people that say there was fraud in this election disingenuous, just curious do you still believe that Trump colluded with the Russians in 2016?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 08, 2020, 08:25:11 PM
@CountValentine I see you calling a lot of people that say there was fraud in this election disingenuous, just curious do you still believe that Trump colluded with the Russians in 2016?
I set let the Muller investigation play out and abide by the results.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: yesitsme on November 08, 2020, 08:40:29 PM
https://www.westernjournal.com/dick-morris-trump-can-still-win/amp/
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: S209 on November 08, 2020, 08:45:31 PM
https://www.westernjournal.com/dick-morris-trump-can-still-win/amp/
Some faulty assumptions there but very interesting analysis nonetheless.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on November 08, 2020, 09:00:40 PM
Some faulty assumptions there but very interesting analysis nonetheless.

I was going to say that if Dick Morris thinks Trump might win then I've lost all hope of that happening...
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: S209 on November 08, 2020, 10:18:29 PM
I was going to say that if Dick Morris thinks Trump might win then I've lost all hope of that happening...
;D
https://www.rollcall.com/2016/06/07/dick-morris-history-of-getting-it-wrong/
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Willie on November 08, 2020, 10:20:43 PM
I set let the Muller investigation play out and abide by the results.
Figured. If only they could've helped him this time like they did last time.   
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 08, 2020, 11:13:36 PM
Listen to this nutcase. Would you hire her? Wonder why Flynn is in the mess he is in.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-legal-team-to-file-new-ballot-lawsuits/vi-BB1aOAot
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: elya on November 09, 2020, 01:29:05 AM
https://youtu.be/qT9tcH2wU6E

What's the logical explanation for all the lawsuits brought forth by these states prior to election, is he wrong about it being unconstitutional? Asking honestly, really not familiar with the intricacies of this.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: avromie7 on November 09, 2020, 10:34:04 AM
We dont know yet. NY has 1.2m uncounted mail in ballots
And NJ has an unknown number of in person ballots.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: elya on November 09, 2020, 01:16:36 PM
https://youtu.be/qT9tcH2wU6E

What's the logical explanation for all the lawsuits brought forth by these states prior to election, is he wrong about it being unconstitutional? Asking honestly, really not familiar with the intricacies of this.
And.. Video was removed. Unbelievable! Was strictly legal talk.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: elya on November 09, 2020, 01:17:15 PM
https://youtu.be/qT9tcH2wU6E

What's the logical explanation for all the lawsuits brought forth by these states prior to election, is he wrong about it being unconstitutional? Asking honestly, really not familiar with the intricacies of this.
Diff link.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/XAnajvb8hWm7/

@CountValentine Curious to hear your input on this.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: skyguy918 on November 09, 2020, 02:47:11 PM
Diff link.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/XAnajvb8hWm7/

@CountValentine Curious to hear your input on this.
Didn't watch - much too long, but I googled Starr to see what was written up about his opinion. It sounds like the main thing has to do with an interpretation of the line in the constitution that grants the states power over the elections. Vox did a decent piece on this.

Basically the question is whether the constitution intended to give this power solely to the actual legislative branch of each state, or to the law making process of each state (which would then include things like other 2 branches of the state governments). The relevance to PA, at least prior to the election, is that the extending of the deadline by when ballots had to be received in order to be counted (if they were postmarked by election date) was done through the executive and judicial branches of PA, not through the legislature. When it went to the SCOTUS, they split 4-4, thus leaving the change in place. The 4 that voted against PA were essentially broadcasting their adoption of the more literal interpretation, that only the state legislative branch holds power over elections.

It won't be relevant to this election, since apparently Biden won without the ballots that came in during the disputed period (ETA: that claim came from the Vox video, I don't know the source), but it may be very relevant to other cases in the future, especially if ACB joins the 4 that voted against. This could come up with regard to things like gerrymandering, voter ID laws, and poll closures - all of which R controlled state legislatures have used or tried to use to control voting in their states - and in some instances were previously stopped by the judicial or executive branches of those states.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 09, 2020, 02:54:59 PM
@CountValentine Curious to hear your input on this.
Sorry I can't watch that guy. It is like watching Hannity.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: elya on November 09, 2020, 03:20:46 PM
Sorry I can't watch that guy. It is like watching Hannity.
His guests as well? Character aside, curious about the content.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 09, 2020, 03:43:08 PM
His guests as well? Character aside, curious about the content.
Ok I started to watch it. Once Starr claimed SCOTUS (Alito) said the lower courts decision was unconstitutional I had to stop. No such ruling was made. All Alito did was make sure the ballots are separated.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on November 09, 2020, 03:44:08 PM
Didn't watch - much too long, but I googled Starr to see what was written up about his opinion. It sounds like the main thing has to do with an interpretation of the line in the constitution that grants the states power over the elections. Vox did a decent piece on this.

Basically the question is whether the constitution intended to give this power solely to the actual legislative branch of each state, or to the law making process of each state (which would then include things like other 2 branches of the state governments). The relevance to PA, at least prior to the election, is that the extending of the deadline by when ballots had to be received in order to be counted (if they were postmarked by election date) was done through the executive and judicial branches of PA, not through the legislature. When it went to the SCOTUS, they split 4-4, thus leaving the change in place. The 4 that voted against PA were essentially broadcasting their adoption of the more literal interpretation, that only the state legislative branch holds power over elections.

It won't be relevant to this election, since apparently Biden won without the ballots that came in during the disputed period (ETA: that claim came from the Vox video, I don't know the source), but it may be very relevant to other cases in the future, especially if ACB joins the 4 that voted against. This could come up with regard to things like gerrymandering, voter ID laws, and poll closures - all of which R controlled state legislatures have used or tried to use to control voting in their states - and in some instances were previously stopped by the judicial or executive branches of those states.

Didn't watch the video either, but this is a pretty good summary of the issue. I would add that the language of the constitution is
Quote
Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct,a Number of Electors"
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on November 09, 2020, 03:45:14 PM
Ok I started to watch it. Once Starr claimed SCOTUS (Alito) said the lower courts decision was unconstitutional I had to stop. No such ruling was made. All Alito did was make sure the ballots are separated.

He said that regarding the PA case? Or the cases where Federal courts changed the rules?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: elya on November 09, 2020, 03:55:35 PM
All Alito did was make sure the ballots are separated.
On the basis State Supreme court ruling was unconstitutional I presume, so that's seemingly where he is heading with this.. CMIIW
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aygart on November 09, 2020, 04:04:41 PM
On the basis State Supreme court ruling will be litigated I presume, so that's seemingly where he is heading with this.. CMIIW
FTFY
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 09, 2020, 04:15:03 PM
On the basis State Supreme court ruling was unconstitutional I presume, so that's seemingly where he is heading with this.. CMIIW
It was fixed by @aygart
SCOTUS Alito made no ruling on the constitutionality of the lowers court opinion. Actual the left has a better case to make that Alito agreed with the lower courts decision but that would not be correct either.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 09, 2020, 04:24:09 PM
Trump now losing by 4mm+ votes and counting. If this election was stolen by the D's please get me the guys name. I want him to do my taxes!!!  :)
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on November 09, 2020, 04:36:40 PM
It was fixed by @aygart
SCOTUS Alito made no ruling on the constitutionality of the lowers court opinion. Actual the left has a better case to make that Alito agreed with the lower courts decision but that would not be correct either.

4 members of the Court wrote that
Quote
there is a strong likelihood that the State Supreme Court decision violates the Federal Constitution

But did not rule on the case before the election because there was not enough time.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on November 09, 2020, 04:37:22 PM
Trump now losing by 4mm+ votes and counting. If this election was stolen by the D's please get me the guys name. I want him to do my taxes!!!  :)

You'd be better off with the guy who does Trump's taxes.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 09, 2020, 04:38:21 PM
4 members of the Court wrote that
Source? AFAIK Alito decided this.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on November 09, 2020, 04:45:12 PM
Source? AFAIK Alito decided this.

Thomas and Gorsuch joined. (so it was 3, not 4). Barret didn't take part in the decision, and the other 5 didn't say either way (although Kavanaugh would have granted a stay).
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 09, 2020, 04:47:26 PM
Thomas and Gorsuch joined. (so it was 3, not 4). Barret didn't take part in the decision, and the other 5 didn't say either way (although Kavanaugh would have granted a stay).
I want your source because I keep reading PA was Alitos territory and he made the decision.
https://nypost.com/2020/11/06/justice-alito-orders-pennsylvania-officials-divide-late-ballots/
https://news.yahoo.com/supreme-courts-alito-tells-pennsylvania-021751657.html
https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2020-11-06/supreme-courts-alito-tells-pennsylvania-counties-to-separate-late-ballots
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on November 09, 2020, 05:06:27 PM
I want your source because I keep reading PA was Alitos territory and he made the decision.
https://nypost.com/2020/11/06/justice-alito-orders-pennsylvania-officials-divide-late-ballots/
https://news.yahoo.com/supreme-courts-alito-tells-pennsylvania-021751657.html
https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2020-11-06/supreme-courts-alito-tells-pennsylvania-counties-to-separate-late-ballots

Here (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/20pdf/20-542_i3dj.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjmgoubu_bsAhUjU98KHcLTBRoQFjADegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw2n5OJHjSRKFix3ztYKJlGg&cshid=1604959332984)
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: gozalim on November 09, 2020, 05:07:36 PM
You'd be better off with the guy who does Trump's taxes.
short guys with yarmulkas
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 09, 2020, 05:10:19 PM
Here (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/20pdf/20-542_i3dj.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjmgoubu_bsAhUjU98KHcLTBRoQFjADegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw2n5OJHjSRKFix3ztYKJlGg&cshid=1604959332984)
Wrong decision.
Decided [October 28, 2020]
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on November 09, 2020, 05:14:30 PM
Decided [October 28, 2020]

Right. Before the election, 3 justices said that there is a strong likelihood that the State Supreme Court decision violates the Federal Constitution
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 09, 2020, 05:16:14 PM
Right. Before the election, 3 justices said that there is a strong likelihood that the State Supreme Court decision violates the Federal Constitution
We are talking about the decision Alito just made. Follow the flow.  :)
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on November 09, 2020, 05:17:04 PM
We are talking about the decision Alito just made. Follow the flow.  :)

You might be. I'm not.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 09, 2020, 05:18:53 PM
You might be. I'm not.
Well then you are the only one.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aradisc on November 09, 2020, 07:02:07 PM

Sigh. Guess the attempts from the President to poison the minds of the electorate and undermine faith in democracy are winning. As despots around the world cheer for a weakened USA.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Jellybelly on November 09, 2020, 07:03:22 PM

Sigh. Guess the attempts from the President to poison the minds of the electorate and undermine faith in democracy are winning. As despots around the world cheer for a weakened USA.
If he starts his rallies again, its only gonna get worse
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 09, 2020, 07:04:20 PM
Sigh. Guess the attempts from the President to poison the minds of the electorate and undermine faith in democracy are winning. As despots around the world cheer for a weakened USA.
It should read 3 in 10 Trump voters are educated.  :)
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 09, 2020, 07:04:46 PM
If he starts his rallies again, its only gonna get worse
...and kill more people.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: YitzyS on November 09, 2020, 07:11:28 PM
If a state goes to their supreme court to appeal a decision allowing poll watchers in, why would you have confidence in their election process? Saying slurs about Republicans doesn't change the logic.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 09, 2020, 07:16:54 PM
If a state goes to their supreme court to appeal a decision allowing poll watchers in, why would you have confidence in their election process? Saying slurs about Republicans doesn't change the logic.
Even FOX can't take the lies anymore.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fox-news-cut-away-from-trump-s-press-secretary-as-she-pushed-baseless-claims-of-election-fraud/ar-BB1aQsDe?ocid=msedgntp#image=1
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: JMHO on November 09, 2020, 07:19:07 PM
...and kill more people.
Are you referring to the celebrations the other night for Biden?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Jellybelly on November 09, 2020, 07:19:41 PM
Even FOX can't take the lies anymore.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fox-news-cut-away-from-trump-s-press-secretary-as-she-pushed-baseless-claims-of-election-fraud/ar-BB1aQsDe?ocid=msedgntp#image=1
You have such a funny way of looking at things.
Do you know who runs the place now?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 09, 2020, 07:20:16 PM
If a state goes to their supreme court to appeal a decision allowing poll watchers in, why would you have confidence in their election process? Saying slurs about Republicans doesn't change the logic.
How is saying people will get sick and die from his super spreader rallies a slur?

The R's have legitimate issues they should take to the court. The fraud claim is the wrong way to do it. When you have the biggest liar we have ever seen making the claim why would you expect anyone to believe him?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 09, 2020, 07:22:12 PM
Are you referring to the celebrations the other night for Biden?
Those celebrations were wrong for not social distancing. To compare them to Trumps shoulder to shoulder no mask super spreaders is a new level of kool-aid you are drinking.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 09, 2020, 07:22:37 PM
You have such a funny way of looking at things.
Do you know who runs the place now?
Who runs it now?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: JMHO on November 09, 2020, 07:23:58 PM
Those celebrations were wrong for not social distancing. To compare them to Trumps shoulder to shoulder no mask super spreaders is a new level of kool-aid you are drinking.
No drinking here, was just curious if you're seeing what's going on the other side of the street.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 09, 2020, 07:26:27 PM
No drinking here, was just curious if you're seeing what's going on the other side of the street.
Yes and it was wrong!!! Most had masks on but still no common sense. Passing around and drinking from the same bottle. Does it get any stupider?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on November 09, 2020, 07:27:29 PM
Yes and it was wrong!!! Most had masks on but still no common sense. Passing around and drinking from the same bottle. Does it get any stupider?

Did you call it out before now?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 09, 2020, 07:29:22 PM
Did you call it out before now?
Unlike you I can be objective. When did you call out the super spreader rallies that have been going on for a month!!!
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aradisc on November 09, 2020, 07:41:15 PM
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: ah giten on November 09, 2020, 07:57:33 PM
And Bill Bar gave the go for Feds to investigate.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Jellybelly on November 09, 2020, 08:05:03 PM
Who runs it now?

People that donated 1.5 million to Biden
Mrs Murdoch tweeted we did it after they projected Biden to win
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 09, 2020, 08:17:33 PM
People that donated 1.5 million to Biden
Mrs Murdoch tweeted we did it after they projected Biden to win
You been hanging out at QAnon?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Jellybelly on November 09, 2020, 08:30:07 PM
You been hanging out at QAnon?
Nope,you dont believe it?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: S209 on November 09, 2020, 08:31:34 PM
You have such a funny way of looking at things.
Do you know who runs the place now?
What about the WSJ? Partisan liberal hack as well?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-presidential-endgame-11604706255?st=12opab285awkvc4&reflink
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 09, 2020, 08:32:41 PM
Are the R's looking at the cheating in OH? Biden was ahead by over 200k and lost by over 400k.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Jellybelly on November 09, 2020, 08:32:59 PM
What about the WSJ? Partisan liberal hack as well?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-presidential-endgame-11604706255?st=12opab285awkvc4&reflink
I was just making a comment about FOX
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: S209 on November 09, 2020, 08:34:20 PM
I was just making a comment about FOX
Come on. Are you really insinuating that FOX is biased left?

Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 09, 2020, 08:35:11 PM
I was just making a comment about FOX
So FOX is left wing now? This is the first I heard of it.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: yesitsme on November 09, 2020, 08:37:34 PM
I guess you weren't following the presidents Twitter feed past year
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: S209 on November 09, 2020, 08:37:56 PM
People that donated 1.5 million to Biden
Mrs Murdoch tweeted we did it after they projected Biden to win
This post is highly misleading. Kathryn Murdoch, who you are referring to, is the wife of James Murdoch who recently dropped all of his positions at FOX because they are too conservative (https://www.npr.org/2020/07/31/897929181/james-murdoch-quits-family-media-empire-after-disagreements) for him.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 09, 2020, 08:40:15 PM
I guess you weren't following the presidents Twitter feed past year
If that is were you get your info from then it explains the kool-aid.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Jellybelly on November 09, 2020, 08:44:31 PM
So FOX is left wing now? This is the first I heard of it.
Did you watch their coverage of the Trump campaign press conference?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 09, 2020, 08:45:12 PM
Did you watch their coverage of the Trump campaign press conference?
Which one?  :)
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Jellybelly on November 09, 2020, 08:46:08 PM
Which one?  :)
The one where they broke away in the middle
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 09, 2020, 08:47:44 PM
The one where they broke away in the middle
Was it more lies they couldn't take?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: S209 on November 09, 2020, 08:48:19 PM
The one where they broke away in the middle
Were they right or wrong?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 09, 2020, 09:04:54 PM
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 09, 2020, 09:06:36 PM
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 09, 2020, 09:23:48 PM
Ballots in NC can still arrive until Thursday. Why aren't the R's yelling about that state?
Can the Kool-Aid drinkers answer that?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: yesitsme on November 09, 2020, 09:24:55 PM
We are horse already
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on November 09, 2020, 09:39:06 PM
So FOX is left wing now? This is the first I heard of it.

They have been drifting leftward for a while. Maybe since Roger Ailes was booted (for good reason)? If you didn't know that conservatives (and certainly Trump supporters) have not been fans if Fox for a while, you really should get out more.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: YitzyS on November 09, 2020, 09:40:33 PM
I think the Trump and his whole team is holding their breath to see if the Yated called the election for Biden. If it comes Wednesday and the Yated calls Biden the president elect, Trump will concede.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 09, 2020, 09:43:21 PM
They have been drifting leftward for a while. Maybe since Roger Ailes was booted (for good reason)? If you didn't know that conservatives (and certainly Trump supporters) have not been fans if Fox for a while, you really should get out more.
So their increase in ratings is from liberals?
I need to get out more.  :)
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Jellybelly on November 09, 2020, 11:16:27 PM
Was it more lies they couldn't take?
Was it any different than Adam Schiff saying he has proof of Russian collusion?  Did they cut away from that?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Jellybelly on November 09, 2020, 11:18:21 PM
Fox they just fired judge Jeanine
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: mushkovits on November 09, 2020, 11:23:16 PM
Ballots in NC can still arrive until Thursday. Why aren't the R's yelling about that state?
Can the Kool-Aid drinkers answer that?
Cuz only sick Republicans aka rinos  like will shoot themselves in the foot for the sake of righteousness. We Trump supporters believe in  fighting whats good for the country. Any other fights we will let you handle
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: yesitsme on November 09, 2020, 11:25:48 PM
Invalid Tweet ID
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Post by: yesitsme on November 09, 2020, 11:26:47 PM
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Post by: aygart on November 09, 2020, 11:29:55 PM
Invalid Tweet ID
Any real sources?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Toasted on November 10, 2020, 12:14:54 AM
Any real sources?
None approved by the Ministry of Truth.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: avromie7 on November 10, 2020, 11:48:03 AM
Invalid Tweet ID
Any real sources?
Hillary won Rock County by 10.3 points, Biden is up by 10.8 points. I highly doubt this county swing 21 points to have Trump up by 10.8. I don't know what happened there, but I can't imagine it's what they're claiming.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: yesitsme on November 10, 2020, 09:37:17 PM
Cleveland is our savior

Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: yesitsme on November 10, 2020, 09:38:53 PM
President thanks @Dan in rare tweet to the country

Invalid Tweet ID
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 10, 2020, 09:43:49 PM
President thanks @Dan in rare tweet to the country
I knew @jj1000 was a closet Trumpster but Dan?
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Post by: yesitsme on November 10, 2020, 09:58:17 PM
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Post by: yesitsme on November 10, 2020, 10:18:20 PM
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: AsherO on November 10, 2020, 10:19:39 PM

Perhaps ::)
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Post by: yesitsme on November 10, 2020, 10:20:52 PM
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Post by: yesitsme on November 10, 2020, 10:26:03 PM
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Post by: zh cohen on November 10, 2020, 10:53:50 PM
Democrats on the House Oversight committee tweeted out a claim that the USPS whistleblower (who claimed he heard his boss talking about backdating ballots) recanted his statement.

Whistleblower denies recanting.
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 10, 2020, 11:00:59 PM
Democrats on the House Oversight committee tweeted out a claim that the USPS whistleblower (who claimed he heard his boss talking about backdating ballots) recanted his statement.

Whistleblower denies recanting.
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GoFundMe pulled his campaign after he was given $130k
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Post by: CountValentine on November 10, 2020, 11:45:46 PM
Democrats on the House Oversight committee tweeted out a claim that the USPS whistleblower (who claimed he heard his boss talking about backdating ballots) recanted his statement.

Whistleblower denies recanting.
I am sure his backdating story is true as it would result in instant removal if you were caught.  ::)
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Post by: jj1000 on November 10, 2020, 11:50:48 PM
I knew @jj1000 was a closet Trumpster but Dan?
If you think just because you tag me I'll look at your post as soon as I see the tag notification and I will likely reply as well, you are right.
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Post by: TimT on November 10, 2020, 11:58:03 PM
I knew @jj1000 was a closet Trumpster but Dan?
Look whos talking. How many hundreds of times has Trump mentioned you by first name over the last 2 weeks. :P
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Post by: YitzyS on November 11, 2020, 07:37:55 AM
Democrats should stop complaining about Trump's babyishness in regard to conceding the race. Without it, Trump never would've lost.
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Post by: zh cohen on November 11, 2020, 10:26:11 AM
I am sure his backdating story is true as it would result in instant removal if you were caught.  ::)

Instead they suspended the guy who reported it without pay.
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Post by: CountValentine on November 11, 2020, 10:38:01 AM
Instead they suspended the guy who reported it without pay.
No one is stupid enough to tell someone to backdate mail.

On another note Biden is over 5 MILLION votes ahead!!!
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Post by: drosenberg88429 on November 11, 2020, 10:46:22 AM

On another note Biden is over 5 MILLION votes ahead!!!


This is key. It's a bit hard to get sufficiently emotional about how Trump was robbed the election given the scale of the popular vote victory.


That being said, there was likely a significant amount of low level voter fraud, due to the ease compared to most elections. It does take a bit of a conspiracy theorist to believe it was systemic and coming straight from the top (although hypochondriacs get sick too sometimes, and conspiracies are sometimes real), but it definitely happened on a small level in many instances. Whether that would have tipped the election is another story.
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Post by: Mordyk on November 11, 2020, 11:40:36 AM
Are the odds changing a bit to Trumps favor? I would believe so.
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Post by: CountValentine on November 11, 2020, 11:50:09 AM
Are the odds changing a bit to Trumps favor? I would believe so.
So they went from 5% of 0 to 10% of 0?
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Post by: Ergel on November 11, 2020, 01:34:59 PM
Why isn't NC called for Trump yet?
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Post by: CountValentine on November 11, 2020, 06:02:38 PM
Trump lawyers looking like fools.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-lawyers-suffer-embarrassing-rebukes-from-judges-over-voter-fraud-claims/ar-BB1aUUWm?li=BBorjTa
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Post by: Jellybelly on November 11, 2020, 06:55:27 PM
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Post by: YitzyS on November 11, 2020, 08:08:31 PM
"Dead people tend to vote more often when you make it easier for them to vote" - Tucker Carlson

He just did a bit about dead people who voted.

"He was a mailman for 33 years. Not rain nor snow nor gloom of night, not even death stopped him."
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Post by: yesitsme on November 12, 2020, 01:39:41 AM
https://everylegalvote.com/country
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Post by: Jellybelly on November 12, 2020, 04:20:00 PM
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Post by: avromie7 on November 12, 2020, 04:38:12 PM
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This is pretty damning.

ETA: TL;DW: The D complaint says people were informed before election day that there was an issue with their ballot and they're complaining that their cured ballot isn't accepted. The problem with this is that PA law doesn't allow the mail in ballots to be processed before election day. If people were notified before the election that there was something wrong with their ballot, they clearly broke the law in reviewing the ballots before election day.
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Post by: BP16 on November 12, 2020, 04:43:36 PM
This is pretty damning.
Then Trump would have retweeted it.
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Post by: CountValentine on November 12, 2020, 04:45:46 PM
This is pretty damning.
Blah blah blah
NOTHING BURGER!!!
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Post by: avromie7 on November 12, 2020, 04:46:05 PM
Then Trump would have retweeted it.
It was posted to twitter 90 minutes ago.
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Post by: avromie7 on November 12, 2020, 04:47:22 PM
Blah blah blah
NOTHING BURGER!!!
Please explain what's wrong with what she says.
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Post by: CountValentine on November 12, 2020, 04:50:55 PM
Please explain what's wrong with what she says.
If she was coherent I would.
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Post by: avromie7 on November 12, 2020, 04:56:06 PM
If she was coherent I would.
So you're saying it's nothing without having any idea what she said?
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Post by: CountValentine on November 12, 2020, 05:03:37 PM
So you're saying it's nothing without having any idea what she said?
She sounds like a nutcase.
Trust me what I am telling you I checked it100 times.  :)
C'mon man!!!
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Post by: avromie7 on November 12, 2020, 05:10:55 PM
She sounds like a nutcase.
Trust me what I am telling you I checked it100 times.  :)
C'mon man!!!
I know, it's crazy that the Ds would admit it in their own court filings.
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Post by: CountValentine on November 12, 2020, 05:13:34 PM
I know, it's crazy that the Ds would admit it in their own court filings.
Maybe fact check what the filing is about before you swallow it hook line & sinker.
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Post by: CountValentine on November 12, 2020, 06:08:00 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-supporter-admits-voter-fraud-says-she-voted-twice-for-president-in-viral-video/ar-BB1aWZ6j?li=BBnb7Kz
This is pretty damning.
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 12, 2020, 06:23:25 PM
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Post by: CountValentine on November 12, 2020, 07:06:13 PM
A federal government agency under the Department of Homeland Security says this election was the most secure in American history.
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Post by: ah giten on November 12, 2020, 07:09:38 PM
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Post by: CountValentine on November 12, 2020, 07:18:16 PM

Are they willing to PUOSU?  :)
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Post by: gozalim on November 12, 2020, 07:22:23 PM
Are they willing to PUOSU?  :)
they're sitting on SCOTUS
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Post by: Eb228 on November 12, 2020, 07:39:43 PM
A federal government agency under the Department of Homeland Security says this election was the most secure in American history.
Cause we trust federal agencies, right??
Like the ones that tried to make an "insurance policy" to Trump winning...
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Post by: CountValentine on November 12, 2020, 07:50:32 PM
Cause we trust federal agencies, right??
Like the ones that tried to make an "insurance policy" to Trump winning...
Remember the scumbag draft dodging president keeps telling you we are turning the corner as fellow Americans are dying by the thousands.
Keep drinking the kool-aid.
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Post by: skyguy918 on November 12, 2020, 07:51:44 PM
TOP lawyers. They're so top I can't even tell you who they are.
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Post by: avromie7 on November 12, 2020, 08:06:18 PM
Maybe fact check what the filing is about before you swallow it hook line & sinker.
I'm waiting for you to fact check it, but instead you just say it's fake before admitting you have no idea what's in it.
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Post by: avromie7 on November 12, 2020, 08:07:21 PM
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I have no idea if there is any law against this, but regardless I think this is a really bad idea.
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Post by: avromie7 on November 12, 2020, 08:08:52 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-supporter-admits-voter-fraud-says-she-voted-twice-for-president-in-viral-video/ar-BB1aWZ6j?li=BBnb7Kz
There is no news here, she was arrested for it in 2016.
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Post by: CountValentine on November 12, 2020, 08:09:06 PM
I'm waiting for you to fact check it, but instead you just say it's fake before admitting you have no idea what's in it.
I will let Trumps DHS explain it to you.
A federal government agency under the Department of Homeland Security says this election was the most secure in American history.
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Post by: Jellybelly on November 12, 2020, 08:09:21 PM
TOP lawyers. They're so top I can't even tell you who they are.
Cancel culture 🙄
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Post by: avromie7 on November 12, 2020, 08:10:05 PM
I will let Trumps DHS explain it to you.
I guess you're agreeing that that is evidence of fraud.
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Post by: CountValentine on November 12, 2020, 08:13:23 PM
I guess you're agreeing that that is evidence of fraud.
What I am agreeing with is you can't accept the fact Trump lost. Get over it. We have thousands of fellow Americans dying every day and this coward President is MIA. This is who this guy truly is.
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Post by: S209 on November 12, 2020, 08:13:34 PM
Cancel culture 🙄
Mhm
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Post by: ah giten on November 12, 2020, 08:24:07 PM
TOP lawyers. They're so top I can't even tell you who they are.
Read the next tweet.
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Post by: CountValentine on November 12, 2020, 08:26:16 PM
Read the next tweet.
"I will not publicly name them at this moment because they have asked me not to."
ROFLMAO!!!
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 12, 2020, 11:28:58 PM
Let's enjoy the fact Trump hasn't actually requested a recount in Wisconsin. They make you pay upfront for that.
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Post by: Afrages6 on November 13, 2020, 12:21:07 AM
Let's enjoy the fact Trump hasn't actually requested a recount in Wisconsin. They make you pay upfront for that.
Lets enjoy the fact that youre factually incorrect on this one. A recount in Wisconsin can only be requested once the election is certified, and the election has not been certified in Wisconsin
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Post by: CountValentine on November 13, 2020, 06:55:46 AM
Read the next tweet.
"I will not publicly name them at this moment because they have asked me not to."
ROFLMAO!!!
Here is a TOP lawyer from Bush/Gore that is speaking out.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-lawyer-who-helped-win-bush-v-gore-says-he-believes-the-election-is-over-and-biden-won/ar-BB1aZ1Nf
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Post by: CountValentine on November 13, 2020, 02:25:14 PM
Georgia called for Biden!!!
NC for Trump.
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Post by: CountValentine on November 13, 2020, 02:34:35 PM
In Trumps own words he lost in a landslide electoral vote. Now add to that losing by 5+ million votes, yes that is MILLION with a M. This loser needs to crawl in the hole with Sadam. Wait he already is hiding!!!
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Post by: Jellybelly on November 15, 2020, 09:07:59 AM
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Post by: CountValentine on November 15, 2020, 10:08:43 PM
These right wing nuts just make this stuff up and most here go for it hook line and sinker.

Hopkins also said that the dramatic conclusions he reached in the affidavit were the product of Project Veritas' influence.

"I was in so much shock I wasn't paying that much attention to what they were telling me," he said of the affidavit, which was obtained through an online service that routed him to a notary in Texas.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/video-shows-usps-whistleblower-was-not-alone-when-swearing-to-affidavit-alleging-mail-in-ballot-fraud/ar-BB1b2kb8?li=BBnb7Kz
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Post by: nucheiner on November 15, 2020, 11:16:35 PM
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If this is so, it seems an elector college is needed within each State to prevent high population centers from obtaining control. Surely this is what James Madison would want. Kind of matters as much as what RBG wouldve wanted.

Was this in fact the Dems plan? Heavy campaigning within inner cities and maximize turnout.
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Post by: aygart on November 15, 2020, 11:18:44 PM
If this is so, it seems an elector college is needed within each State to prevent high population centers from obtaining control. Surely this is what James Madison would want. Kind of matters as much as what RBG wouldve wanted.

Was this in fact the Dems plan? Heavy campaigning within inner cities and maximize turnout.
Let each state figure themselves out. What about within cities? Should that also be electoral? Each block?

Sounds like a good plan. If only Trump would have figured it out.
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Post by: justaregularguy on November 15, 2020, 11:27:22 PM
If this is so, it seems an elector college is needed within each State to prevent high population centers from obtaining control. Surely this is what James Madison would want. Kind of matters as much as what RBG wouldve wanted.

Was this in fact the Dems plan? Heavy campaigning within inner cities and maximize turnout.
when u say states should have their own electoral college youre saying that cities heavily Democratic will get their votes and rural areas of the state will get their vote...youre basically saying we should just do the popular vote.... :o :o
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Post by: Baruch on November 15, 2020, 11:32:53 PM
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If you'd have a little integrity, and looked at the numbers yourself, you'd know that's BS
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Post by: Jellybelly on November 15, 2020, 11:39:25 PM
If you'd have a little integrity, and looked at the numbers yourself, you'd know that's BS
So Rasmussen is fake news these days?
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Post by: Baruch on November 15, 2020, 11:40:30 PM
So Rasmussen is fake news these days?
Did you look at the numbers I asked you to look at before you posted?
It's not that hard. Check out the data, and see if it looks fishy to you.
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Post by: Jellybelly on November 15, 2020, 11:43:20 PM
Did you look at the numbers I asked you to look at before you posted?
It's not that hard. Check out the data, and see if it looks fishy to you.
No, it is kinda hard from my phone 🙄
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Post by: Baruch on November 15, 2020, 11:44:08 PM
Just google
https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&safe=strict&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS729US729&ei=zQKyX6moEZL45gK7m6mYAQ&q=detroit+trump+biden+vs+clinton&oq=detroit+trump+biden+vs+clinton&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQA1CNN1jpW2D_XGgAcAB4AIABU4gBiQeSAQIxMpgBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXrAAQE&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwjpwoPan4btAhUSvFkKHbtNChMQ4dUDCA0&uact=5


This comes up https://www.freep.com/restricted/?return=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.freep.com%2Fstory%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Felections%2F2020%2F11%2F11%2Fjoe-biden-trump-detroit-vote%2F6241596002%2F

and this https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/trump-who-now-claims-fraud-got-more-votes-detroit-most-republicans


I'll let you google the rest. I assume your phone googles
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Post by: Baruch on November 15, 2020, 11:47:46 PM
Being that this is from the most important state I'll feed you this one too

https://www.inquirer.com/news/president-donald-trump-joe-biden-philadelphia-election-day-20201107.html

Learn from this that you are part of a cult. Google can get you out of it.

You are fed lies 24/7, and it the lies get stronger as the months pass on. These lies are like a drug, it has to get stronger to continue working.
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Post by: Jellybelly on November 15, 2020, 11:51:29 PM
Just google
https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&safe=strict&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS729US729&ei=zQKyX6moEZL45gK7m6mYAQ&q=detroit+trump+biden+vs+clinton&oq=detroit+trump+biden+vs+clinton&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQA1CNN1jpW2D_XGgAcAB4AIABU4gBiQeSAQIxMpgBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXrAAQE&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwjpwoPan4btAhUSvFkKHbtNChMQ4dUDCA0&uact=5


This comes up https://www.freep.com/restricted/?return=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.freep.com%2Fstory%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Felections%2F2020%2F11%2F11%2Fjoe-biden-trump-detroit-vote%2F6241596002%2F

and this https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/trump-who-now-claims-fraud-got-more-votes-detroit-most-republicans


I'll let you google the rest. I assume your phone googles

Your assumption is wrong 🙄
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Post by: justaregularguy on November 15, 2020, 11:51:39 PM
Being that this is from the most important state I'll feed you this one too

https://www.inquirer.com/news/president-donald-trump-joe-biden-philadelphia-election-day-20201107.html

Learn from this that you are part of a cult. Google can get you out of it.
google? The company along w Facebook and Twitter that was grilled by a senate committee regarding alleged input or influence on content viewed?
Oh.
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Post by: Jellybelly on November 15, 2020, 11:54:26 PM
google? The company along w Facebook and Twitter that was grilled by a senate committee regarding alleged input or influence on content viewed?
Oh.
Hey,  welcome to the cult!
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Post by: Baruch on November 15, 2020, 11:54:58 PM
Your assumption is wrong 🙄
Ok, well basically, that this election was a fraud, is an embarrassing thing to admit you believe. It is a joke of a conspiracy. And if you believed it, you should question everything else you believe about Trump.

Please research it. You may have the same reaction that members of Cults have when they are asked "why does G-d always tell Cult leaders to sleep with all the women?".
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Baruch on November 15, 2020, 11:55:13 PM
google? The company along w Facebook and Twitter that was grilled by a senate committee regarding alleged input or influence on content viewed?
Oh.
nebach
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: justaregularguy on November 15, 2020, 11:55:58 PM
Hey,  welcome to the cult!
if Im part of a cult that includes high ranking members of the senate from both sides of the aisle thats not too bad
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Baruch on November 15, 2020, 11:58:41 PM
Sometimes when I read the comments here, I think to myself that fortunately (and unfortunately for @CountValentine ) Trump doesn't believe in Jesus, because if he did....
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Post by: yesitsme on November 15, 2020, 11:58:42 PM
This really deserves its own thread but I don't want to upset @ChaimMoskowitz

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Post by: Jellybelly on November 15, 2020, 11:59:11 PM
Ok, well basically, that this election was a fraud, is an embarrassing thing to admit you believe. It is a joke of a conspiracy. And if you believed it, you should question everything else you believe about Trump.

Please research it. You may have the same reaction that members of Cults have when they are asked "why does G-d always tell Cult leaders to sleep with all the women?".
I realize that ALL news is slanted these days, and everyone just goes to the sources that will tell them what they want to hear. I really dont know where to go these days for the truth, and its very sad. Its even more sad that you dont recognize theres a problem. How can you think that google doesnt have an agenda?
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Post by: yesitsme on November 16, 2020, 12:00:13 AM
We have someone in shul (with hidden intelligence) that claims that he is gabai, no one argues with him
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Post by: Baruch on November 16, 2020, 12:02:09 AM
This really deserves its own thread but I don't want to upset @ChaimMoskowitz

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Post by: Jellybelly on November 16, 2020, 12:05:05 AM
Sometimes when I read the comments here, I think to myself that fortunately (and unfortunately for @CountValentine ) Trump doesn't believe in Jesus, because if he did....
I think its time for you to turn off the TV and social media, youll enjoy life a lot more
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Baruch on November 16, 2020, 12:27:21 AM
I think its time for you to turn off the TV and social media, youll enjoy life a lot more
I frankly dont care what happens on TV or social media. It pains me to see the Am Chacham Venavon being such tipshim.
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Post by: justaregularguy on November 16, 2020, 12:32:42 AM
I frankly dont care what happens on TV or social media. It pains me to see the Am Chacham Venavon being such tipshim.
im just curious : what do you think when R Shmuel Kamenetsky suggested we vote for Trump ?
What was your thought process?
I dont think you thought hes a tipish so what then?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Jellybelly on November 16, 2020, 12:34:44 AM
im just curious : what do you think when R Shmuel Kamenetsky suggested we vote for Trump ?
What was your thought process?
I dont think you thought hes a tipish so what then?
Well,  Reb Shmuel Kamenetsky must not have google

Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: justaregularguy on November 16, 2020, 12:37:37 AM
Well,  Reb Shmuel Kamenetsky must not have google
oh my gosh youre right.
This changes everything.
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Post by: Baruch on November 16, 2020, 12:57:36 AM
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Post by: RebTuvia on November 16, 2020, 02:33:52 AM
These right wing nuts just make this stuff up and most here go for it hook line and sinker.

Hopkins also said that the dramatic conclusions he reached in the affidavit were the product of Project Veritas' influence.

"I was in so much shock I wasn't paying that much attention to what they were telling me," he said of the affidavit, which was obtained through an online service that routed him to a notary in Texas.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/video-shows-usps-whistleblower-was-not-alone-when-swearing-to-affidavit-alleging-mail-in-ballot-fraud/ar-BB1b2kb8?li=BBnb7Kz

https://www.wsj.com/articles/harvesting-the-2020-election-11605221974

This sums it up..
The sad part, you can't even prove it as fraud. It is though! Yes enough to swing the election.
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Post by: aygart on November 16, 2020, 09:23:36 AM
im just curious : what do you think when R Shmuel Kamenetsky suggested we vote for Trump ?
What was your thought process?
I dont think you thought hes a tipish so what then?
I can guarantee you that it had ZERO to do with the conspiracy theories that you are discussing. If you think it did then you have a bigger problem.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 16, 2020, 09:26:00 AM
This sums it up..
These right wing nuts just make this stuff up and most here go for it hook line and sinker.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: justaregularguy on November 16, 2020, 11:29:04 AM
I can guarantee you that it had ZERO to do with the conspiracy theories that you are discussing. If you think it did then you have a bigger problem.
im not falling for the conspiracy theories hook line and sinker. Im just curious about @Baruch reaction when R Shmuel endorsed trump, bc @Baruch is less than enthusiastic with trump in all areas..
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: justaregularguy on November 16, 2020, 11:32:03 AM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/harvesting-the-2020-election-11605221974

This sums it up..
The sad part, you can't even prove it as fraud. It is though! Yes enough to swing the election.
pay wall...
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 16, 2020, 01:31:57 PM
Trump has been claiming since 2012 the elections have been stolen. He even claimed fraud when Cruz won the Iowa primary.
So keep drinking the kool-aid!!!
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: S209 on November 16, 2020, 08:42:22 PM
https://www.ajc.com/politics/georgia-recount-uncovers-2600-new-votes-in-presidential-race/I75NSPYYGNF43HQZBPYKJWJ5MA/
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: avromie7 on November 16, 2020, 09:20:37 PM
https://www.ajc.com/politics/georgia-recount-uncovers-2600-new-votes-in-presidential-race/I75NSPYYGNF43HQZBPYKJWJ5MA/
I'm interested in seeing if anything shows up in the counties that shifted 10-15+ points D compared to 2016.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Baruch on November 16, 2020, 10:13:26 PM
https://www.mediaite.com/opinion/fox-news-guest-pushes-back-on-fox-news-host-buying-into-previous-fox-news-guests-absurd-conspiracy-theory-on-election-fraud/
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 16, 2020, 10:17:51 PM
https://www.mediaite.com/opinion/fox-news-guest-pushes-back-on-fox-news-host-buying-into-previous-fox-news-guests-absurd-conspiracy-theory-on-election-fraud/
She is a complete idiot just like Trump. The worst part is she is Flynn's lawyer. Wonder why he is in the mess he is in.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: good sam on November 17, 2020, 12:11:24 AM
http://youtu.be/MMP9dXSozFU
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 17, 2020, 05:41:41 AM
http://youtu.be/MMP9dXSozFU
That sums it up.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: AsherO on November 17, 2020, 06:33:18 AM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/harvesting-the-2020-election-11605221974

This sums it up..
The sad part, you can't even prove it as fraud. It is though! Yes enough to swing the election.

Thanks for sharing this, its a very clear cut article that doesnt mention Trump once and makes a lot of rational arguments for shenanigans being played here.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Jellybelly on November 17, 2020, 08:34:05 AM
Does anyone wanna explain whats going on in Nevada, specifically in Clark County? Seems like theyre invalidated a part of the elections
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: ah giten on November 17, 2020, 08:37:37 AM
Does anyone wanna explain whats going on in Nevada, specifically in Clark County? Seems like theyre invalidated a part of the elections
A senate race too close. So they checked how many discrepancies could have been, they found much more than the win margin.
So invalidated the race.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: AsherO on November 17, 2020, 08:39:02 AM
A senate race too close. So they checked how many discrepancies could have been, they found much more than the win margin.
So invalidated the race.

What does discrepancies mean in this context? What happens now?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: ah giten on November 17, 2020, 08:42:20 AM
What does discrepancies mean in this context? What happens now?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: AsherO on November 17, 2020, 08:43:43 AM


Thanks, this answered all of my questions.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: ah giten on November 17, 2020, 08:44:09 AM
A senate race too close. So they checked how many discrepancies could have been, they found much more than the win margin.
So invalidated the race.
Correction. Not a Senate race...
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on November 17, 2020, 08:47:57 AM
What happens now?

They have a new election for that specific race.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 17, 2020, 01:18:25 PM
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Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: yelped on November 17, 2020, 03:02:22 PM
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:o :o :o
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: ah giten on November 17, 2020, 04:57:20 PM
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 17, 2020, 06:50:07 PM
You would think he would be tired of all the losing. Case after case he keeps losing!!!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pennsylvania-supreme-court-rejects-trump-campaign-claim-of-problems-with-ballot-observers/ar-BB1b6Ak7?li=BBorjTa
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Jellybelly on November 17, 2020, 07:34:45 PM
A federal government agency under the Department of Homeland Security says this election was the most secure in American history.
trump just fired that guy
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Jellybelly on November 17, 2020, 07:35:18 PM
You would think he would be tired of all the losing. Case after case he keeps losing!!!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pennsylvania-supreme-court-rejects-trump-campaign-claim-of-problems-with-ballot-observers/ar-BB1b6Ak7?li=BBorjTa
That vote was along party lines 🙄
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 17, 2020, 07:40:55 PM
That vote was along party lines 🙄
The chief justice of the Pennsylvania Supreme Court, Republican Thomas Saylor, wrote that the Trump campaign's apparent aim to throw out votes would be disenfranchisement.

Saylor wrote in his dissent that he "fail[ed] to see that there is a real issue here."
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 17, 2020, 08:06:59 PM
trump just fired that guy
...and the kool-aid drinkers will never understand why Trump is dangerous to our GREAT COUNTRY!!!
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Jellybelly on November 17, 2020, 08:17:24 PM
...and the kool-aid drinkers will never understand why Trump is dangerous to our GREAT COUNTRY!!!
Do you really feel in danger right now? Im sure theres a hotline for you to be able to find the nearest safe place
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: yelped on November 17, 2020, 08:22:12 PM
Do you really feel in danger right now? Im sure theres a hotline for you to be able to find the nearest safe place
You don't think it's a problem to fire anyone who says the facts disagree with you?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Jellybelly on November 17, 2020, 08:25:01 PM
You don't think it's a problem to fire anyone who says the facts disagree with you?
Right, but are you certain that Trump isnt right? Maybe hes a never trumper, its not so far fetched to say so. The point Im trying to make is no one should make assumptions these days, because sadly its impossible to know who to believe
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: yelped on November 17, 2020, 08:32:07 PM
Right, but are you certain that Trump isnt right? Maybe hes a never trumper, its not so far fetched to say so. The point Im trying to make is no one should make assumptions these days, because sadly its impossible to know who to believe
What reason is there for Trump to fire him, besides for his ego? There is no practical difference to the country. Nothing is going to change.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 17, 2020, 08:41:20 PM
Right, but are you certain that Trump isnt right? Maybe hes a never trumper, its not so far fetched to say so. The point Im trying to make is no one should make assumptions these days, because sadly its impossible to know who to believe
If you don't understand at this point that Trump is a compulsive liar you are beyond hope.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 17, 2020, 08:44:50 PM
What reason is there for Trump to fire him, besides for his ego? There is no practical difference to the country. Nothing is going to change.
Actually a lot will/has changed. He needs for everyone not to trust anything that he doesn't agree with.
Watch the 60 minutes interview. His goal to discredit the media is so when they report on his screwups no one will believe them.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Jellybelly on November 17, 2020, 09:48:31 PM
Actually a lot will/has changed. He needs for everyone not to trust anything that he doesn't agree with.
Watch the 60 minutes interview. His goal to discredit the media is so when they report on his screwups no one will believe them.
Well the medias doing a wonderful job discrediting themselves...
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 17, 2020, 10:01:05 PM
Well the medias doing a wonderful job discrediting themselves...
Except they get 90%+ correct and that is a low estimate.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: good sam on November 18, 2020, 01:28:03 AM
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: elya on November 18, 2020, 02:08:33 PM
Let's enjoy the fact Trump hasn't actually requested a recount in Wisconsin. They make you pay upfront for that.
Looks like they just put up $3M for a recount in 2 counties.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 18, 2020, 02:11:17 PM
Looks like they just put up $3M for a recount in 2 counties.
... and not $7.9m for a full Wisconsin recount
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: elya on November 18, 2020, 02:18:28 PM
... and not $7.9m for a full Wisconsin recount
Why would they? assuming these are the 2 counties they believe had the most serious irregularities, why recount the others?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Jellybelly on November 18, 2020, 02:20:47 PM
Its the 2 most democratic counties in the state, the had the most irregularities
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 18, 2020, 02:23:35 PM
Why would they? assuming these are the 2 counties they believe had the most serious irregularities, why recount the others?
So they don't believe there is widespread fraud outside those 2 counties?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: yungermanchik on November 18, 2020, 02:34:03 PM
So they don't believe there is widespread fraud outside those 2 counties?
Not necessarily, They may think there's enough in those two counties to flip it, if anything.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: elya on November 18, 2020, 02:34:23 PM
So they don't believe there is widespread fraud outside those 2 counties?
Wouldn't it make sense to first recount the ones with the highest indications of Fraud/Irregularities?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Jellybelly on November 18, 2020, 02:36:47 PM
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Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 18, 2020, 02:43:43 PM
Wouldn't it make sense to first recount the ones with the highest indications of Fraud/Irregularities?
Can't request a recount in the others after 5pm today
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The mistake was on a box label, they didn't catch any irregularity on any actual count of votes
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on November 18, 2020, 03:05:16 PM
The mistake was on a box label, they didn't catch any irregularity on any actual count of votes

Please explain?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Ergel on November 18, 2020, 03:29:37 PM
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: avromie7 on November 18, 2020, 03:37:07 PM
So they don't believe there is widespread fraud outside those 2 counties?
Maybe they believe one of two things will happen. Either they'll be able to find enough wrong in those 2 counties, or they won't be able to find enough in the whole state.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on November 18, 2020, 04:13:53 PM

How is the tweet misleading? If the monitor hadn't caught it, the recount totals would have shown Biden with almost 10k extra votes.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 18, 2020, 04:17:51 PM
Lets cut the BS. They don't care about vote fraud in the counties that favor them.  ::)
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Baruch on November 18, 2020, 10:38:50 PM
Please explain?
Let me explain, he's misleading you, like everyone is misleading with this kookoo election fraud sore losing. Comprende?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on November 18, 2020, 10:59:12 PM
Let me explain, he's misleading you, like everyone is misleading with this kookoo election fraud sore losing. Comprende?

Yes, I understand that you are strongly under the influence of TDS. Now, do you want to explain how pointing out that two election officials signed off on a count that was almost 10k off (and would have gotten away with it if not for the Republican observer noticing that something was off) is "kookoo election fraud sore losing"?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 18, 2020, 11:01:19 PM
Now, do you want to explain how pointing out that two election officials signed off on a count that was almost 10k off (and would have gotten away with it if not for the Republican observer noticing that something was off) is "kookoo election fraud sore losing"?
You have a link for this one?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Baruch on November 18, 2020, 11:01:39 PM
Yes, I understand that you are strongly under the influence of TDS. Now, do you want to explain how pointing out that two election officials signed off on a count that was almost 10k off (and would have gotten away with it if not for the Republican observer noticing that something was off) is "kookoo election fraud sore losing"?
I take any mention of "TDS" as "I have no response".
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on November 18, 2020, 11:20:02 PM
You have a link for this one?

Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on November 18, 2020, 11:20:45 PM
I take any mention of "TDS" as "I have no response".

I take people not responding as "I have no response"
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 18, 2020, 11:22:06 PM

That's the source?  :)
Has this been confirmed by the republican SOS?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on November 18, 2020, 11:31:07 PM
That's the source?  :)
Has this been confirmed by the republican SOS?

The observer also submitted a sworn affidavit.

DeKalb County had not submitted anything to the State yet. The county CEO said that it doesn't matter if it happened because it was caught (by the Republican observer).
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 18, 2020, 11:33:07 PM
DeKalb County had not submitted anything to the State yet. The county CEO said that it doesn't matter if it happened because it was caught (by the Republican observer).
So there was no fraud. You really need to move on. If Trump gets his way there really will be a civil war.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Lurker on November 18, 2020, 11:39:43 PM
Yes, I understand that you are strongly under the influence of TDS. Now, do you want to explain how pointing out that two election officials signed off on a count that was almost 10k off (and would have gotten away with it if not for the Republican observer noticing that something was off) is "kookoo election fraud sore losing"?

The count was accurate. The label was not. AFAIU.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on November 18, 2020, 11:42:09 PM
So there was no fraud.

No there was but it was caught (although this instance was probably incompetence rather than intentional fraud).

If Trump gets his way there really will be a civil war.

If that were to happen, it would be the fault (and responsiblity) of those who corrupted the voting process so much that it becomes impossible to know who won. Trump would just be the one pointing it out.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on November 18, 2020, 11:44:01 PM
The count was accurate. The label was not. AFAIU.

The first (machine) count was almost accurate (2 votes off)

The recount was not accurate (9,800+ votes off).
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 18, 2020, 11:45:00 PM
No there was but it was caught (although this instance was probably incompetence rather than intentional fraud).

If that were to happen, it would be the fault (and responsiblity) of those who corrupted the voting process so much that it becomes impossible to know who won. Trump would just be the one pointing it out.
You are so far gone there is no help for you. I rag on Trump because he is a scumbag. You actually believe all this stuff.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 18, 2020, 11:55:25 PM
The first (machine) count was almost accurate (2 votes off)

The recount was not accurate (9,800+ votes off).
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Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on November 19, 2020, 12:00:31 AM
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The statement doesn't question question Shafer's account. It says "we don't know if what he described happened, but even if it did, they (the Republican observer) caught it so whatever"
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 19, 2020, 12:03:45 AM
It says "we don't know if what he described happened, but even if it did, they (the Republican observer) caught it so whatever"
Where does it say that?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 19, 2020, 12:05:31 AM
The statement doesn't question question Shafer's account. It says "we don't know if what he described happened, but even if it did, they (the Republican observer) caught it so whatever"
That's the point. Even if somebody was attempting fraud, they couldn't get it past the checks & balances.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Jellybelly on November 19, 2020, 12:06:35 AM
Wisconsin tried changing the rules of the recount that it shouldnt be recounted by hand, but it  just failed to pass.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: AsherO on November 19, 2020, 12:08:54 AM
Wisconsin tried changing the rules of the recount that it shouldnt be recounted by hand, but it  just failed to pass.

If the Trump campaign is paying the costs, what do they care?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Jellybelly on November 19, 2020, 12:10:17 AM
If the Trump campaign is paying the costs, what do they care?
Idk, makes you kinda wonder...
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on November 19, 2020, 12:12:55 AM
That's the point. Even if somebody was attempting fraud, they couldn't get it past the checks & balances.

The problem is that they only allowed one observer for every 10 counting tables. The fact that they caught this mistake shows us that mistakes happen, but it doesn't show us that they were able to catch everything.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Baruch on November 19, 2020, 12:18:23 AM
You are so far gone there is no help for you. I rag on Trump because he is a scumbag. You actually believe all this stuff.
this
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Baruch on November 19, 2020, 12:21:10 AM
The problem is that they only allowed one observer for every 10 counting tables. The fact that they caught this mistake shows us that mistakes happen, but it doesn't show us that they were able to catch everything.
Do you realize that Trump promotes this BS, because he thinks there's enough suckers that will believe it, and your one of those suckers?

It's kind of sad to watch....
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Jellybelly on November 19, 2020, 12:29:58 AM
Do you realize that Trump promotes this BS, because he thinks there's enough suckers that will believe it, and your one of those suckers?

It's kind of sad to watch....

Does it really make you feel sad? For some reason I get the feeling it makes your blood boil..
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 19, 2020, 12:31:19 AM
Wisconsin tried changing the rules of the recount that it shouldnt be recounted by hand, but it  just failed to pass.
Source?

Both parties proposed various modifications to the recount manual but I don't see anything about a hand recount.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Jellybelly on November 19, 2020, 12:32:53 AM
Source?

Both parties proposed various modifications to the recount manual but I don't see anything about a hand recount.
Im not sure, I thought I heard they didnt wanna let them do a hand recount, but I know they tried changing the rules and it was votes down
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 19, 2020, 12:33:25 AM
Im not sure, I thought I heard they didnt wanna let them do a hand recount, but I know they tried changing the rules and it was votes down
Both parties proposed changes and some were approved.

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Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: YitzyS on November 19, 2020, 07:23:59 AM
I take any mention of "TDS" as "I have no response".
It's the right-wing equivalent of "drinking the Kool-Aid'"
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 19, 2020, 07:27:36 AM
It's the right-wing equivalent of "drinking the Kool-Aid'"
Not even close!
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: YitzyS on November 19, 2020, 07:29:49 AM
Not even close!
Perhaps. But I cannot even count the number of times you responded "Keep drinking the Kool-Aid" instead of addressing the substantive issues discussed...
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 19, 2020, 07:33:59 AM
...instead of addressing the substantive issues discussed...
You owe me a pop as I just spit it out laughing so hard.

At every turn the kool-aid drinkers keep claiming election fraud with no evidence. Sorry but that is not a substantive issue.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: YitzyS on November 19, 2020, 07:36:47 AM
You owe me a pop as I just spit it out laughing so hard.

At every turn the kool-aid drinkers keep claiming election fraud with no evidence. Sorry but that is not a substantive issue.
Why you drinking pop so early in the morning??
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 19, 2020, 07:38:04 AM
Why you drinking pop so early in the morning??
I don't drink coffee.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: YitzyS on November 19, 2020, 07:39:15 AM
I don't drink coffee.
My condolences  ;)
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 19, 2020, 06:06:40 PM
Trump team now claims it is a global communist conspiracy. We know many of his supporters are uneducated but are they ignorant and stupid also?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Baruch on November 19, 2020, 06:52:13 PM
Trump team now claims it is a global communist conspiracy. We know many of his supporters are uneducated but are they ignorant and stupid also?
yes
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 19, 2020, 11:47:31 PM
Utah Sen. Mitt Romney, a frequent Trump critic, called him out Thursday night, writing on Twitter that "it is difficult to imagine a worse, more undemocratic action by a sitting president."

"Having failed to make even a plausible case of widespread fraud or conspiracy before any court of law, the President has now resorted to overt pressure on state and local officials to subvert the will of the people and overturn the election," Romney said.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 19, 2020, 11:53:44 PM
Utah Sen. Mitt Romney, a frequent Trump critic, called him out Thursday night, writing on Twitter that "it is difficult to imagine a worse, more undemocratic action by a sitting president."

"Having failed to make even a plausible case of widespread fraud or conspiracy before any court of law, the President has now resorted to overt pressure on state and local officials to subvert the will of the people and overturn the election," Romney said.
Sasse & Ernst did too. Hopefully by next week he'll lose McConnell and the bulk of the Republican Party. The insanity has to stop.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: justaregularguy on November 20, 2020, 12:29:18 AM
Sasse & Ernst did too. Hopefully by next week he'll lose McConnell and the bulk of the Republican Party. The insanity has to stop.
no. Hes doing great. He won with 410 electoral votes as per OAN. Im sticking this out.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 20, 2020, 12:31:16 AM
no. Hes doing great. He won with 410 electoral votes as per OAN. Im sticking this out.
Except he is past that. Now he is trying overthrow an election that would result in cities burning and he doesn't care.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: justaregularguy on November 20, 2020, 12:44:00 AM
Sasse & Ernst did too. Hopefully by next week he'll lose McConnell and the bulk of the Republican Party. The insanity has to stop.
I hope you dont think if more ppl dont agree with him hell actually change his mind do you? I wouldnt want Republican congressmen revolting on trump only for the point it would annoy trumps base. While trump may not be prez again he woke up a strong base that Republicans need.
So while technically it should happen that McConnell turn on him and tell him the game is up , he would tow the line at how he says it
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 20, 2020, 12:47:34 AM
I hope you dont think if more ppl dont agree with him hell actually change his mind do you? I wouldnt want Republican congressmen revolting on trump only for the point it would annoy trumps base. While trump may not be prez again he woke up a strong base that Republicans need.
So while technically it should happen that McConnell turn on him and tell him the game is up , he would tow the line at how he says it
I'm sure McConnell will try at first (as he has been until now), but if Trump keeps up his rhetoric, the GOP will have to ramp up theirs. I'm not so convinced Trump won't drop it himself soon.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: CountValentine on November 20, 2020, 12:49:09 AM
I hope you dont think if more ppl dont agree with him hell actually change his mind do you?
He is a bully. If he has no one around him he will fold like a cheap suit.
Ya he took out a terrorist but what was his response when they bombed our bases? He claimed no one was injured.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 20, 2020, 12:50:57 AM
He is a bully. If he has no one around him he will fold like a cheap suit.
Ya he took out a terrorist but what was his response when they bombed our bases? He claimed no one was injured.
He will always have people around him. Hopefully he will lost the bulk of the GOP though.
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Post by: yungermanchik on November 21, 2020, 07:50:23 PM
https://nypost.com/2020/08/29/political-insider-explains-voter-fraud-with-mail-in-ballots/

https://www.foxnews.com/category/politics/elections/voter-fraud-concerns
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Post by: CountValentine on November 21, 2020, 10:39:40 PM
You have to be a special kind of stupid to still believe this stuff.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/in-scathing-opinion-federal-judge-dismisses-trump-campaign-lawsuit-in-pennsylvania/ar-BB1beZaw?li=BBnbfcL
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 21, 2020, 10:46:58 PM
You have to be a special kind of stupid to still believe this stuff.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/in-scathing-opinion-federal-judge-dismisses-trump-campaign-lawsuit-in-pennsylvania/ar-BB1beZaw?li=BBnbfcL
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It's unreal.
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 22, 2020, 02:44:54 PM
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Post by: CountValentine on November 22, 2020, 02:46:06 PM
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Kemp is a RINO. What do you expect?
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 22, 2020, 03:08:03 PM
Invalid Tweet ID?s=21

One of Trumps top 3 lawyers
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 22, 2020, 05:48:28 PM
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 22, 2020, 05:53:59 PM
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Post by: CountValentine on November 22, 2020, 06:42:38 PM

With a mouth like that she must be hanging out with the first lady.
What a group but we like their policies.  :)
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Post by: Baruch on November 22, 2020, 07:59:54 PM
Invalid Tweet ID?s=21

One of Trumps top 3 lawyers
Now there's only 2 left, Microp**** and fishing for p****
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Post by: zh cohen on November 22, 2020, 08:29:49 PM
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For some context, the guy she's responding to had his glasses broken by Greg Gianforte in 2017
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Post by: Baruch on November 22, 2020, 08:31:22 PM
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/dominion-rep-swats-down-election-fraud-conspiracy-theories-team-trump-hasnt-offered-a-scintilla-of-proof-against-us/
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 23, 2020, 02:29:20 AM
Now there's only 2 left, Microp**** and fishing for p****
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Post by: CountValentine on November 23, 2020, 08:02:30 AM
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It should say not all Trump supporters, just 99% of them.  :)
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Post by: justaregularguy on November 23, 2020, 06:44:59 PM
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Post by: yesitsme on November 23, 2020, 11:57:51 PM
Invalid Tweet ID
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Post by: aygart on November 24, 2020, 11:50:00 AM
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 24, 2020, 12:22:30 PM
Lol, 2020 the year of the unprecedented.
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 24, 2020, 09:09:31 PM
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 25, 2020, 06:29:07 PM
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Post by: Jellybelly on November 29, 2020, 03:12:22 PM
Reports of the FBI finally getting involved
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Post by: justaregularguy on November 29, 2020, 03:15:02 PM
Reports of the FBI finally getting involved
more deets pls
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Post by: Jellybelly on November 29, 2020, 03:20:44 PM
Dont really know
@PlatinumGuy probably knows more
Has something to do with The Amistad Project
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Post by: zh cohen on November 29, 2020, 03:26:59 PM
more deets pls

They requested copies of the data compiled by a pro-Trump group that allegedly shows large numbers of ineligible voters who voted.
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Post by: justaregularguy on November 29, 2020, 04:59:27 PM
They requested copies of the data compiled by a pro-Trump group that allegedly shows large numbers of ineligible voters who voted.
yea i see. ok
https://www.theepochtimes.com/fbi-requests-fraud-disenfranchisement-evidence-researcher-says_3597396.html
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Post by: Jellybelly on November 29, 2020, 06:35:17 PM
Invalid Tweet ID?s=19
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 29, 2020, 07:00:54 PM
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He claims he knows the systems are hackable, then jumps to the conclusion it was hacked, with zero indication. Comical speculation. I'm also not quite sure the machines he claims to know to be hackable are the same as any used in the US.
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Post by: justaregularguy on November 29, 2020, 08:16:24 PM
i wonder does twitter put flags on posts where ppl say biden won, saying that this claim is disputed and route you to an article or something?
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Post by: Jellybelly on November 29, 2020, 08:19:01 PM
i wonder does twitter put flags on posts where ppl say biden won, saying that this claim is disputed and route you to an article or something?

😂
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 29, 2020, 08:21:52 PM
Is there any mainstream figure who claims Trump still stands a chance? The closest I can find is Mark Levin
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Post by: YitzyS on November 29, 2020, 08:25:47 PM
Is there any mainstream figure who claims Trump still stands a chance? The closest I can find is Mark Levin
Most mainstream people on the right will say that it's unlikely, or highly unlikely, that it will be overturned, but that he has every right to explore every legal option.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: justaregularguy on November 29, 2020, 08:37:26 PM
He claims he knows the systems are hackable, then jumps to the conclusion it was hacked, with zero indication. Comical speculation. I'm also not quite sure the machines he claims to know to be hackable are the same as any used in the US.
he said 2 things: 1) the machines are easily hackable and manipulatable and many others including NYT have concluded that.
2) he analyzed the data sets which dictate every voting count collection and the pattern and concluded its statistically improbable and the manipulation must be the result of it
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 29, 2020, 09:13:03 PM
2) he analyzed the data sets which dictate every voting count collection and the pattern and concluded its statistically improbable and the manipulation must be the result of it
Yes he claims to have done that, but does not offer any actual indication that fraud was committed.

He also claims so about GA, where a hand recount found no fault in the Dominion count
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Post by: Jellybelly on November 29, 2020, 11:37:22 PM
Funny stuff going on in Georgia.
The judge changed his mind 3 times today
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 29, 2020, 11:47:15 PM
Funny stuff going on in Georgia.
The judge changed his mind 3 times today

Very simple actually. The judge never changed his mind. Somebody is manipulating you to make you think it's funny.

You can't change facts on the ground while pending litigation. This doesn't require a court order.

The judge was told a county was considering wiping data, so issued an order barring it, even though the order wasn't really necessary.

The judge rescinded the order when he was shown it was issue to the wrong party - he ordered the State to maintain the data but the State never had the data, the individual counties had it.
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Post by: Jellybelly on November 29, 2020, 11:54:12 PM
K,
I was getting nervous that Hillary was going around wiping down the voting machines with bleach!
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Post by: Baruch on November 30, 2020, 12:15:40 AM
K,
I was getting nervous that Hillary was going around wiping down the voting machines with bleach!
Just because your paranoid, it doesn't mean everyone's not out to get you
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 30, 2020, 01:07:21 AM
Funny stuff going on in Georgia.
The judge changed his mind 3 times today
Also worth noting this was in Union County which has 24,000 votes and Trump won 84%
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Post by: Jellybelly on November 30, 2020, 03:33:35 AM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/wow-pa-election-observer-drops-bombshell-says-doj-showed-door-question-testified-video/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=PostTopSharingButtons&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons
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Post by: Jellybelly on November 30, 2020, 06:43:20 AM
Just wondering, did KH take over the duties of the office of the president elect when Biden was getting his ankle checked out?
😂
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 30, 2020, 01:37:10 PM
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 30, 2020, 05:54:35 PM
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Post by: Jellybelly on November 30, 2020, 08:03:34 PM
I didnt think anyone was watching the republican hearings in Arizona today, but it seems like Twitter was! They suspended the account of one of the witnesses as he was testifying.
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Post by: Baruch on November 30, 2020, 10:32:11 PM
I didnt think anyone was watching the republican hearings in Arizona today, but it seems like Twitter was! They suspended the account of one of the witnesses as he was testifying.
good.
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Post by: aygart on November 30, 2020, 10:33:29 PM
good.
Why?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Baruch on November 30, 2020, 10:43:54 PM
Why?
Because this conspiracy is destroying the foundations of the Country. Twitter is a private company they can do what they want.
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Post by: yesitsme on November 30, 2020, 10:48:00 PM
Because this conspiracy is destroying the foundations of the Country. Twitter is a private company they can do what they want.
Not exactly
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Post by: aygart on November 30, 2020, 10:52:58 PM
Because this conspiracy is destroying the foundations of the Country. Twitter is a private company they can do what they want.
Yes they could, but is it a good thing for some random guy to be deciding to censor political speech because they are of the opinion that it is destroying the foundations of the country? Where else will political speech get censored?

I also dispute that whomever this is (I have no clue who we are referring to) will change one bit about whether it destroys the foundations of the country, quite the contrary. If they are allowed to continue until everything is shown to be stupidities then it will subside. If people start getting censored then it will lead to theory upon theory.
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Post by: Jellybelly on November 30, 2020, 10:53:16 PM
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Project veritas releasing stuff tomorrow
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Post by: aygart on November 30, 2020, 10:53:18 PM
Not exactly
In what way?
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Post by: Baruch on November 30, 2020, 10:58:27 PM
Yes they could, but is it a good thing for some random guy to be deciding to censor political speech because they are of the opinion that it is destroying the foundations of the country? Where else will political speech get censored?

I also dispute that whomever this is (I have no clue who we are referring to) will change one bit about whether it destroys the foundations of the country, quite the contrary. If they are allowed to continue until everything is shown to be stupidities then it will subside. If people start getting censored then it will lead to theory upon theory.
I wish you were right, but unfortunately a large percentage of this Country has gone off the deep end. And while I hear your theory and understand it, I don't believe it's true. I think censoring this dangerous crap is wonderful.
This is not political speech, it's dangerous misinformation. Just like they can censor Holocaust denial they can censor this. (NO, I'm not saying Trump is Hitler)
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Post by: Baruch on November 30, 2020, 11:02:14 PM
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Project veritas releasing stuff tomorrow

Trump had one idea, and milked it - "the masses are a**es" - you @Jellybelly are one of those masses.
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Post by: Jellybelly on November 30, 2020, 11:06:12 PM
whoa!
Your acting like youve been quarantined in your basement since March
Go outside for a few min and breath in the fresh air, itll do wonders for you
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Post by: Baruch on November 30, 2020, 11:07:55 PM
whoa!
Your acting like youve been quarantined in your basement since March
Go outside for a few min and breath in the fresh air, itll do wonders for you
Just telling you the truth, you're a fool.

You believe the most ridiculous non starter conspiracy ever. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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Post by: Jellybelly on November 30, 2020, 11:10:32 PM
Not sure what your talking about
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Post by: Baruch on November 30, 2020, 11:11:01 PM
Not sure what your talking about
Who won the 2020 election?
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Post by: Jellybelly on November 30, 2020, 11:12:59 PM
Who won the 2020 election?

No one, it still hasnt been certified
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Baruch on November 30, 2020, 11:14:49 PM
No one, it still hasnt been certified
You post daily BS about stolen elections, you're a fool, and you shouldn't trust yourself to make any important decisions in your life. You don't know how to reason. If more people would tell you this, perhaps you'd change.
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Post by: Jellybelly on November 30, 2020, 11:16:33 PM
Do you think there was any fraud at all?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Baruch on November 30, 2020, 11:20:38 PM
Do you think there was any fraud at all?
I'm not going to engage with a fool, sorry. Learn how to think. It's not cute and funny anymore.

I promise you there's more proof of aliens than this insanity.

#stopthestupid
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Post by: Jellybelly on November 30, 2020, 11:23:26 PM
I'm not going to engage with a fool, sorry. Learn how to think. It's not cute and funny anymore.

I promise you there's more proof of aliens than this insanity.

#stopthestupid

I guess this is  the typical liberal way.
 All name calling and very little substance
I just never woulda thunk there would be one that goes by Baruch
🤷🏻‍♂️
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Post by: aygart on November 30, 2020, 11:29:32 PM
I wish you were right, but unfortunately a large percentage of this Country has gone off the deep end. And while I hear your theory and understand it, I don't believe it's true. I think censoring this dangerous crap is wonderful.
This is not political speech, it's dangerous misinformation. Just like they can censor Holocaust denial they can censor this. (NO, I'm not saying Trump is Hitler)
Thinking that blocking one random Twitter account of someone testifying in Arizona is going to be helpful in any way is way more foolish than this stupidity.
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Post by: Baruch on November 30, 2020, 11:38:39 PM
Thinking that blocking one random Twitter account of someone testifying in Arizona is going to be helpful in any way is way more foolish than this stupidity.
I dont care about this one guy that we both dont know who it is. Im referring to their censoring policy of this BS.

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Post by: Baruch on November 30, 2020, 11:40:51 PM
I guess this is  the typical liberal way.
 All name calling and very little substance
I just never woulda thunk there would be one that goes by Baruch
🤷🏻‍♂️
Im not a liberal, Im a conservative on social issues, and a moderate on economic issues. Thats why I hate Trump. Because Im a real conservative and he destroyed my party.
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Post by: Jellybelly on November 30, 2020, 11:42:11 PM
I dont care about this one guy that we both dont know who it is. Im referring to their censoring policy of this BS.
Only cuz you share their beliefs.
What if one day they join PETA and ban any mention of shechita and kosher food ( just giving a random example) would you feel the same way?
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Post by: Baruch on November 30, 2020, 11:43:26 PM
Only cuz you share their beliefs.
What if one day they join PETA and ban any mention of shechita and kosher food ( just giving a random example) would you feel the same way?
What do you think of censoring Holocaust denial?
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Post by: Jellybelly on November 30, 2020, 11:48:29 PM
What do you think of censoring Holocaust denial?
I agree to that. I just dont think it should be up to twitter to Choose what to censor. As much as I hate big government, I think its prob their job. The way twitter censors these days is based a lot on TDS, which is a big problem
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Post by: aygart on November 30, 2020, 11:56:25 PM
I agree to that. I just dont think it should be up to twitter to Choose what to censor. As much as I hate big government, I think its prob their job. The way twitter censors these days is based a lot on TDS, which is a big problem
You want government censoring holocaust denial?
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Post by: aygart on November 30, 2020, 11:58:32 PM
What do you think of censoring Holocaust denial?
What do you think of them censoring negative conspiracy theories or news about Biden?
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Post by: yesitsme on December 01, 2020, 12:00:54 AM
They made a bad decision when they decided to become fact checkers [facts don't have feelings - Ben]
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Post by: mushkovits on December 01, 2020, 01:40:08 AM
Im not a liberal, Im a conservative on social issues, and a moderate on economic issues. Thats why I hate Trump. Because Im a real conservative and he destroyed my party.
If you think Trump destroyed your party then youre aint a real conservative
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Post by: S209 on December 01, 2020, 01:49:50 AM
In what way?
They claim protection from liability for content posted on their forum but then they moderate content. It should be one or the other, not both.

Section 230 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/47/230) of the Communications Decency Act.

I do think its ok to have a firm, posted, across the board policy regarding violence, incitement, and the like. But political beliefs or theories should definitely be off limits, no matter how insane.
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Post by: S209 on December 01, 2020, 01:54:06 AM
If you think Trump destroyed your party then youre aint a real conservative
Explain?
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Post by: Euclid on December 01, 2020, 01:57:19 AM


I do think its ok to have a firm, posted, across the board policy regarding violence, incitement, and the like. But political beliefs or theories should definitely be off limits, no matter how insane.
Some "insane" political beliefs and theories can definitely lead to violence etc.
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Post by: S209 on December 01, 2020, 01:59:49 AM
Some "insane" political beliefs and theories can definitely lead to violence etc.
Eventually leading to violence is a slippery slope. The US Government does a pretty good job at defining what is and isnt hate speech and incitement. Social media companies should follow their handbook to avoid liability.
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Post by: mushkovits on December 01, 2020, 08:22:52 AM
Explain?
How conservative was the Republican Party pre-Trump and what exactly has he changed
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Post by: aygart on December 01, 2020, 08:52:48 AM
They claim protection from liability for content posted on their forum but then they moderate content. It should be one or the other, not both.

Section 230 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/47/230) of the Communications Decency Act.

I do think its ok to have a firm, posted, across the board policy regarding violence, incitement, and the like. But political beliefs or theories should definitely be off limits, no matter how insane.
Try suing them based on that. You are getting your interpretation of the law from political analysts and not from lawyers.
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Post by: Jellybelly on December 01, 2020, 08:59:29 AM
I was wondering why no one has tried suing Twitter since they started censoring. Theres no chance to win the case?
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Post by: avromie7 on December 01, 2020, 09:58:30 AM
I wish you were right, but unfortunately a large percentage of this Country has gone off the deep end. And while I hear your theory and understand it, I don't believe it's true. I think censoring this dangerous crap is wonderful.
This is not political speech, it's dangerous misinformation. Just like they can censor Holocaust denial they can censor this. (NO, I'm not saying Trump is Hitler)
This is what happens when the swamp starts draining, they go crazy freaking out that everyone exposing them is destroying the country. You are part of the problem.

I would love to see the actual facts so I can decide for myself if there is truth to Trumps claim of mass fraud, but the MSM and Big Tech are making it nearly impossible. You may call it conspiracy theories, but the fact that they're hiding everything from the public makes me believe Trumps claims are true.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aygart on December 01, 2020, 10:13:39 AM
This is what happens when the swamp starts draining, they go crazy freaking out that everyone exposing them is destroying the country. You are part of the problem.

I would love to see the actual facts so I can decide for myself if there is truth to Trumps claim of mass fraud, but the MSM and Big Tech are making it nearly impossible. You may call it conspiracy theories, but the fact that they're hiding everything from the public makes me believe Trumps claims are true.

Each time he was asked for facts he replied with something along the lines of "if you need me to present facts then they won't help"
His feelings don't care about your facts.
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Post by: skyguy918 on December 01, 2020, 11:09:03 AM
They claim protection from liability for content posted on their forum but then they moderate content. It should be one or the other, not both.

Section 230 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/47/230) of the Communications Decency Act.
You have that completely backwards. Prior to the CDA, the courts had ruled that companies could go totally hands off in terms of moderation and thereby not be able to be sued for content posted, or they could moderate and be potentially liable for what was posted on their platforms. Section 230 was added to the CDA specifically to allow companies to moderate content without being on the hook legally for what did go up on their platforms.

ETA: I'd post the explainer video I got that form, but since the topic relates to pornography, it had some not fully kosher images in the video that I'd rather not link to.
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 01, 2020, 11:30:35 AM
I would love to see the actual facts so I can decide for myself if there is truth to Trumps claim of mass fraud, but the MSM and Big Tech are making it nearly impossible. You may call it conspiracy theories, but the fact that they're hiding everything from the public makes me believe Trumps claims are true.
What a pile of nonsense. Every court document in this country is immediately uploaded to a single centralized database. Nobody is stopping you from seeing anything.
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Post by: aygart on December 01, 2020, 11:36:18 AM
What a pile of nonsense. Every court document in this country is immediately uploaded to a single centralized database. Nobody is stopping you from seeing anything.
Fpor that matter, just read the claims the Trump team is making. THey are mezuyaf mitocho.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 01, 2020, 11:38:36 AM
Fpor that matter, just read the claims the Trump team is making. THey are mezuyaf mitocho.
Agreed. It is simply incredible how many people are falling for this
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Post by: avromie7 on December 01, 2020, 12:08:33 PM
What a pile of nonsense. Every court document in this country is immediately uploaded to a single centralized database. Nobody is stopping you from seeing anything.
I can't sift through it all, that's the medias job. Unfortunately the media is not doing their job.

Do you really want me to believe it's all a bunch of horse poop but the media would rather make believe it doesn't exist than shine a light on it?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aygart on December 01, 2020, 12:10:48 PM
I can't sift through it all, that's the medias job. Unfortunately the media is not doing their job.

Do you really want me to believe it's all a bunch of horse poop but the media would rather make believe it doesn't exist than shine a light on it?
Just check @popehat on Twitter. Or just read one Trump filing. Any!
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 01, 2020, 12:27:21 PM
I can't sift through it all, that's the medias job. Unfortunately the media is not doing their job.light on it?
Oh give me a break. The media doesn't have a job and doesn't owe you anything. There is plenty of Trumpster media, look at them. Heck, look at Trump's tweets.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aygart on December 01, 2020, 12:32:08 PM
Oh give me a break. The media doesn't have a job and doesn't owe you anything. There is plenty of Trumpster media, look at them. Heck, look at Trump's tweets.
Exactly. Just look at what THEY are saying!
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: avromie7 on December 01, 2020, 12:50:29 PM
Find me someone doing an honest job disproving all the claims. There was one guy on twitter, I think it was posted on this thread, he did a great job discrediting about 80% of what he discussed but the other 20% got claims that he didn't actually substantiate. The most compelling issues I see right now are obviously the media blackout as well as the massive Biden dumps in the middle of the night in all the states Biden flipped. Yes I know there was 1 that was a typo adding something like 150k for Biden instead of 15k, but that was fixed very soon thereafter, the others were not.

I remember when we were told it's ludicrous to think the Obama administration spied on the Trump campaign. Trump has made seemingly outlandish claims in the past that were proven correct, I still don't see much evidence this is any different.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 01, 2020, 12:53:04 PM
Find me someone doing an honest job disproving all the claims. There was one guy on twitter, I think it was posted on this thread, he did a great job discrediting about 80% of what he discussed but the other 20% got claims that he didn't actually substantiate. The most compelling issues I see right now are obviously the media blackout as well as the massive Biden dumps in the middle of the night in all the states Biden flipped. Yes I know there was 1 that was a typo adding something like 150k for Biden instead of 15k, but that was fixed very soon thereafter, the others were not.

I remember when we were told it's ludicrous to think the Obama administration spied on the Trump campaign. Trump has made seemingly outlandish claims in the past that were proven correct, I still don't see much evidence this is any different.
How about you find 1 single claim that is substantial? Nobody is going to spend their time debunking every single theory - like the expert witness about Edison County, Michigan, when there is no Edison county anywhere in the US.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: avromie7 on December 01, 2020, 12:58:25 PM
How about you find 1 single claim that is substantial? Nobody is going to spend their time debunking every single theory - like the expert witness about Edison County, Michigan, when there is no Edison county anywhere in the US.
Maybe he misspoke and meant a different county name that actually exists. If no one debunks it, why should anyone believe they're false?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 01, 2020, 01:07:24 PM
Maybe he misspoke and meant a different county name that actually exists. If no one debunks it, why should anyone believe they're false?
Misspoke in an affidavit to a court? Lol
Enough have been debunked and not a single one has been substantiated, so you have to be pretty dumb to fall for it
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aygart on December 01, 2020, 01:34:30 PM
Maybe he misspoke and meant a different county name that actually exists. If no one debunks it, why should anyone believe they're false?
The best criticism of Trump claims has been by judges in their rulings.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 01, 2020, 02:21:28 PM
THey are mezuyaf mitocho.
I'm actually surprised it's this blatant

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Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: yelped on December 01, 2020, 02:22:28 PM
I'm actually surprised it's this blatant

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Ridiculous.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: S209 on December 01, 2020, 02:40:48 PM
Find me someone doing an honest job disproving all the claims. There was one guy on twitter, I think it was posted on this thread, he did a great job discrediting about 80% of what he discussed but the other 20% got claims that he didn't actually substantiate. The most compelling issues I see right now are obviously the media blackout as well as the massive Biden dumps in the middle of the night in all the states Biden flipped. Yes I know there was 1 that was a typo adding something like 150k for Biden instead of 15k, but that was fixed very soon thereafter, the others were not.

I remember when we were told it's ludicrous to think the Obama administration spied on the Trump campaign. Trump has made seemingly outlandish claims in the past that were proven correct, I still don't see much evidence this is any different.
Come on, man. The burden of proof is on the one making wild claims that are contrary to the current results. If he hasnt been able to bring even one valid *proof*, what in the world would make you believe anything he spews? The onus cant be on the system to prove that there *isnt* fraud, because its impossible to prove a negative. Thats ridiculous.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Jellybelly on December 01, 2020, 02:46:55 PM
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Project veritas releasing stuff tomorrow
Did anyone here watch it?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aygart on December 01, 2020, 03:01:26 PM
Did anyone here watch it?
I think I saw somewhere that it was that they hacked into CNN's meeting or something like that.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 01, 2020, 03:02:11 PM
Did anyone here watch it?
There is nothing to watch, they claim they have recordings from CNN internal meetings and will release them tonight.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aygart on December 01, 2020, 03:06:38 PM
The best criticism of Trump claims has been by judges in their rulings.

Also by Trump's AG
https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-elections-william-barr-b1f1488796c9a98c4b1a9061a6c7f49d (https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-elections-william-barr-b1f1488796c9a98c4b1a9061a6c7f49d)
Barr didnt name Powell specifically but said: Theres been one assertion that would be systemic fraud and that would be the claim that machines were programmed essentially to skew the election results. And the DHS and DOJ have looked into that, and so far, we havent seen anything to substantiate that, Barr said.
He said people were confusing the use of the federal criminal justice system with allegations that should be made in civil lawsuits. He said such a remedy for those complaints would be a top-down audit conducted by state or local officials, not the U.S. Justice Department.
Theres a growing tendency to use the criminal justice system as sort of a default fix-all, and people dont like something they want the Department of Justice to come in and investigate, Barr said.
He said first of all there must be a basis to believe there is a crime to investigate.
Most claims of fraud are very particularized to a particular set of circumstances or actors or conduct. They are not systemic allegations and. And those have been run down; they are being run down, Barr said. Some have been broad and potentially cover a few thousand votes. They have been followed up on.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 01, 2020, 03:17:01 PM
Also by Trump's AG
https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-elections-william-barr-b1f1488796c9a98c4b1a9061a6c7f49d (https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-elections-william-barr-b1f1488796c9a98c4b1a9061a6c7f49d)
Barr didnt name Powell specifically but said: Theres been one assertion that would be systemic fraud and that would be the claim that machines were programmed essentially to skew the election results. And the DHS and DOJ have looked into that, and so far, we havent seen anything to substantiate that, Barr said.
He said people were confusing the use of the federal criminal justice system with allegations that should be made in civil lawsuits. He said such a remedy for those complaints would be a top-down audit conducted by state or local officials, not the U.S. Justice Department.
Theres a growing tendency to use the criminal justice system as sort of a default fix-all, and people dont like something they want the Department of Justice to come in and investigate, Barr said.
He said first of all there must be a basis to believe there is a crime to investigate.
Most claims of fraud are very particularized to a particular set of circumstances or actors or conduct. They are not systemic allegations and. And those have been run down; they are being run down, Barr said. Some have been broad and potentially cover a few thousand votes. They have been followed up on.
Guliani & Barr at each others throats again
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: avromie7 on December 01, 2020, 03:31:32 PM
Come on, man. The burden of proof is on the one making wild claims that are contrary to the current results. If he hasnt been able to bring even one valid *proof*, what in the world would make you believe anything he spews? The onus cant be on the system to prove that there *isnt* fraud, because its impossible to prove a negative. Thats ridiculous.
I remember when we were told it's ludicrous to think the Obama administration spied on the Trump campaign. Trump has made seemingly outlandish claims in the past that were proven correct, I still don't see much evidence this is any different.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: whYME on December 01, 2020, 03:34:29 PM
Well the AP called the election for Biden so clearly this is all nonsense. (https://emoji.tapatalk-cdn.com/emoji53.png)
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Baruch on December 01, 2020, 03:37:14 PM
It's truly sad to see that 4 years of Trump's rhetoric has literally rotted some people's thinking ability. Nebach
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aygart on December 01, 2020, 03:42:16 PM
It's truly sad to see that 4 years of Trump's rhetoric has literally rotted some people's thinking ability. Nebach
MIrror, meet @Baruch
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aygart on December 01, 2020, 03:43:29 PM
Guliani & Barr at each others throats again

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoLU7JtWEAIg-Lh?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 01, 2020, 03:45:38 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoLU7JtWEAIg-Lh?format=jpg&name=large)
Meant to post this link https://www.wsj.com/articles/tense-relationship-between-barr-and-giuliani-complicates-trump-impeachment-defense-11569942261
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: S209 on December 01, 2020, 03:47:36 PM

While Trump may have made accusations in the past that turned out to be correct, hes also made plenty of claims that have been outright lies. The fact that he alleges something is worth zero without proof. Why have we seen none of it? To claim that therefore it must be true, because you havent seen proof of it being debunked, is absurd. The onus is on him to provide evidence. Is it possible? Sure. Is it likely to be true? Of course not. Its a wild claim.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: whYME on December 01, 2020, 03:51:10 PM
It's truly sad to see that 4 years of Trump's rhetoric has literally rotted some people's thinking ability. Nebach
The lack of self awareness in this post is enough to put a CNN anchor to shame.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 01, 2020, 03:54:19 PM
It's truly sad to see that 4 years of Trump's rhetoric has literally rotted some people's thinking ability. Nebach
I read Mishpacha & Ami this week, and found it very enlightening. The frum media is a MAGA echo box with zero attempt at covering both sides of any argument.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aygart on December 01, 2020, 03:59:06 PM
I read Mishpacha & Ami this week
Big mistake
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Baruch on December 01, 2020, 04:05:47 PM
MIrror, meet @Baruch
Your too intelligent to believe all Trump's lies. But you're too big of a wimp to oppose him. So you're anti anti Trumpers. There are many of you out there...
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aygart on December 01, 2020, 04:11:20 PM
Your too intelligent to believe all Trump's lies. But you're too big of a wimp to oppose him. So you're anti anti Trumpers. There are many of you out there...
I don't believe the lies from his side and I don't believe the baseless garbage from you either.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Baruch on December 01, 2020, 04:12:10 PM
The lack of self awareness in this post is enough to put a CNN anchor to shame.
I truly feel bad for you. You were sucked in by the biggest con-artist. Nebach.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Baruch on December 01, 2020, 04:13:08 PM
I don't believe the lies from his side and I don't believe the baseless garbage from you either.
Yep. Anti anti Trumper: brains - yes, balls - no.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aygart on December 01, 2020, 04:17:33 PM
Yep. Anti anti Trumper: brains - yes, balls - no.
You can belive what you wish. Considering that each time I called you out you have declined to present any facts I stand by what I wrote that you need to search yourself first. I am anti any stupidity whether pro or anti anyone and you have written almost exclusively that.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: whYME on December 01, 2020, 04:18:03 PM
I read Mishpacha & Ami this week, and found it very enlightening. The frum media is a MAGA echo box with zero attempt at covering both sides of any argument.
I read CNN, ABC & CBS this week, and found it very enlightening. The mainstream media is a Democrat echo box with zero attempt at covering both sides of any argument.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: whYME on December 01, 2020, 04:20:57 PM
You were sucked in by the biggest con-artist.
[citation needed]
(at least for the I "was sucked in" part)
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 01, 2020, 04:26:19 PM
Big mistake
Tell me about it. But it's nice to look at it from time to time and remind myself how krum they are
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Baruch on December 01, 2020, 04:32:49 PM
I read CNN, ABC & CBS this week, and found it very enlightening. The mainstream media is a Democrat echo box with zero attempt at covering both sides of any argument.
Because the other side has gone insane. This used to be a good criticism. Why should they cover an insane conspiracy theory?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Baruch on December 01, 2020, 04:34:07 PM
You can belive what you wish. Considering that each time I called you out you have declined to present any facts I stand by what I wrote that you need to search yourself first. I am anti any stupidity whether pro or anti anyone and you have written almost exclusively that.
What facts have you asked me to provide? I have no clue what youre talking about.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aygart on December 01, 2020, 04:39:48 PM
What facts have you asked me to provide? I have no clue what youre talking about.
I will try and look back. One that I remember was to back up your calling him a fascist or something like that.

In what way would you want me to "stand up to Trump" anyhow?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: whYME on December 01, 2020, 04:41:00 PM
Because the other side has gone insane. This used to be a good criticism. Why should they cover an insane conspiracy theory?
Right, this only started 3 weeks ago after the election.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Baruch on December 01, 2020, 04:43:23 PM
I will try and look back. One that I remember was to back up your calling him a fascist or something like that.

In what way would you want me to "stand up to Trump" anyhow?
This is me calling him a facist
Fascist is not the same as Nazi.
Trump is a very very light Fascist. He's more of a Fascist wannabe. I think that's what most people mean when they compare him to the Nazis. But it's stupid to compare, and not so mainstream and common.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism
Maybe if you read what people write you'd understand them better.

It was in a thread about if Trump is a Nazi.


And our argument wasn't about facts, it was about how to interpret Trump's behavior and rhetoric. But I guess your interpretations are facts.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aygart on December 01, 2020, 04:48:59 PM
This is me calling him a facistMaybe if you read what people write you'd understand them better.

It was in a thread about if Trump is a Nazi.


And our argument wasn't about facts, it was about how to interpret Trump's behavior and rhetoric. But I guess your interpretations are facts.
Do you mean this conversation?



Fascist is not the same as Nazi.
Trump is a very very light Fascist. He's more of a Fascist wannabe. I think that's what most people mean when they compare him to the Nazis. But it's stupid to compare, and not so mainstream and common.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism



TDS



You have a brain, discuss the facts, TDS is an admission that youd prefer not to discuss the facts.... Sad



It is not like you wrote any factual backing to your assertion at all.



If I need to provide the facts, then I'm already wasting my time. You obviously have "alternative facts".
And I've had this argument with you already on another thread and I did provide facts.
He acts light light fascistic on a weekly basis.


But if you insist
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/how-fascist-is-president-trump-theres-still-a-formula-for-that/2020/08/21/aa023aca-e2fc-11ea-b69b-64f7b0477ed4_story.html



That you feel that just throwing out a statement with no mention of any facts at all and then start jumping on someone that THEY  didn't present any facts tells me that he was absolutely correct about You had not mentioned any facts for him to discuss!



You realize this is an opinion piece, I hope. There is very little there in the way of hard facts and almost entirely based on his stupid rhetoric and exagerations of his actions including some which were totally in line with many others. The reasoning is the same as yours. He is a fascist because I decided so now let me find why. No objective reasoning at all.

Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aygart on December 01, 2020, 04:50:18 PM


This is me calling him a facistMaybe if you read what people write you'd understand them better.

It was in a thread about if Trump is a Nazi.


And our argument wasn't about facts, it was about how to interpret Trump's behavior and rhetoric. But I guess your interpretations are facts.




In what way would you want me to "stand up to Trump" anyhow?

Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Baruch on December 01, 2020, 05:02:03 PM
Do you mean this conversation?
Yes.
That's the conversation in which you claim that I called Trump a facist.
You define this - "Trump is a very very light Fascist. He's more of a Fascist wannabe" as me calling him a fascist.

The argument about if Trump is Fascist is based on how you interpret his rhetoric and tweets (and many of his actions too, for example with how he demands loyalty from his AGs, which you can say that Comey's a liar) and the argument goes on and on and on.
But I honestly feel that if you don't know at all to what I'm referring to that would cause me to think Trump is a "very very light Fascist. He's more of a Fascist wannabe", then I'm wasting my time. You're just not intellectually honest. Admit you know the "facts" and give me your theory why I'm interpreting it wrong. Don't gaslight me to give you the facts. You know exactly what Trump has done that would make me think that. That's my point. Don't play fake ignorance.



Also, maybe you should try reading what people write before you respond. You remembered it as me calling Trump a fascist, which was exactly the opposite of what I was saying.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aygart on December 01, 2020, 05:22:50 PM
Yes.
That's the conversation in which you claim that I called Trump a facist
or something like that.
.
You define this - "Trump is a very very light Fascist. He's more of a Fascist wannabe" as me calling him a fascist.
or something like that.

FTFY

Also, maybe you should try reading what people write before you respond. You remembered it as me calling Trump a fascist, which was exactly the opposite of what I was saying.
LOL
MIrror, meet @Baruch
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: dovy2 on December 01, 2020, 05:30:40 PM
Maybe DDF should have break-a-way boards so guys can fight it out privately :)
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aygart on December 01, 2020, 05:56:09 PM
Op-ed by the CEO of Dominion

https://www.wsj.com/articles/fake-claims-about-dominion-voting-systems-do-real-damage-11606755399
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 01, 2020, 07:23:44 PM
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Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on December 01, 2020, 07:44:53 PM
I read Mishpacha & Ami this week, and found it very enlightening.

I haven't read the Ami for years, but you are wrong about the Mishpacha. Though they are certainly not "down the middle" they do present both sides.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Baruch on December 01, 2020, 09:46:17 PM
https://www.mediaite.com/election-2020/this-has-to-stop-georgia-election-official-makes-angry-emotional-plea-to-trump-to-denounce-violent-threats-from-his-supporters/
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 01, 2020, 09:56:24 PM
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Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on December 02, 2020, 12:48:48 AM
I think I saw somewhere that it was that they hacked into CNN's meeting or something like that.


Is CNN confessing to committing a felony when they published the recordings of Melania?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 02, 2020, 12:51:18 AM

Is CNN confessing to committing a felony when they published the recordings of Melania?
Theyre probably accusing Okeefe of obtaining it with illegal hacking, not of publishing it.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on December 02, 2020, 12:55:37 AM
Theyre probably accusing Okeefe of obtaining it with illegal hacking, not of publishing it.

Based on what are they making that accusation? Is this like Twitter's "hacked information policy"?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 02, 2020, 01:00:51 AM
Based on what are they making that accusation? Is this like Twitter's "hacked information policy"?
I can think of many justifications. They may have logs showing nefarious hacking activity. They may know every person who was invited to the call. Its certainly a lot more credible than Trumps fraud allegations
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Jellybelly on December 02, 2020, 08:32:31 AM
Wisconsin court is stopping the certification
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on December 02, 2020, 08:47:51 AM
I can think of many justifications. They may have logs showing nefarious hacking activity. They may know every person who was invited to the call. Its certainly a lot more credible than Trumps fraud allegations

You are making claims that they never made, and then assuming they have proof for your claim.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: skyguy918 on December 02, 2020, 01:19:13 PM
You are making claims that they never made, and then assuming they have proof for your claim.
You're the one making assumptions here by comparing the 2.
Is CNN confessing to committing a felony when they published the recordings of Melania?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aygart on December 02, 2020, 02:31:30 PM
Also by Trump's AG
https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-elections-william-barr-b1f1488796c9a98c4b1a9061a6c7f49d (https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-elections-william-barr-b1f1488796c9a98c4b1a9061a6c7f49d)
Barr didnt name Powell specifically but said: Theres been one assertion that would be systemic fraud and that would be the claim that machines were programmed essentially to skew the election results. And the DHS and DOJ have looked into that, and so far, we havent seen anything to substantiate that, Barr said.
He said people were confusing the use of the federal criminal justice system with allegations that should be made in civil lawsuits. He said such a remedy for those complaints would be a top-down audit conducted by state or local officials, not the U.S. Justice Department.
Theres a growing tendency to use the criminal justice system as sort of a default fix-all, and people dont like something they want the Department of Justice to come in and investigate, Barr said.
He said first of all there must be a basis to believe there is a crime to investigate.
Most claims of fraud are very particularized to a particular set of circumstances or actors or conduct. They are not systemic allegations and. And those have been run down; they are being run down, Barr said. Some have been broad and potentially cover a few thousand votes. They have been followed up on.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/barr-says-no-evidence-widespread-voter-fraud-defying-trump-n1249581

Some media outlets have incorrectly reported that the Department has concluded its investigation of election fraud and announced an affirmative finding of no fraud in the election. That is not what the Associated Press reported nor what the Attorney General stated," a DOJ spokesperson said. "The Department will continue to receive and vigorously pursue all specific and credible allegations of fraud as expeditiously as possible.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 02, 2020, 09:56:09 PM
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Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Baruch on December 02, 2020, 11:57:26 PM
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-news-eric-shawn-fact-checks-trump-on-vote-dumps-claim-made-by-hannity-guest-about-ballots/
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Jellybelly on December 03, 2020, 12:04:44 AM
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Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Baruch on December 03, 2020, 08:33:02 AM
We finally found the first real voter fraud of 2020
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Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on December 03, 2020, 08:45:27 AM
We finally found the first real voter fraud of 2020

First? Here's just a few examples from the first page of Google results -

https://kmph.com/news/local/2-charged-with-voter-fraud-in-southern-california

https://kmph.com/news/nation-world/texas-social-worker-charged-134-counts-election-fraud

https://www.wfmz.com/news/area/newjersey/hunterdon-county-makes-arrest-in-voter-fraud-authorities-say/article_455ebad2-212f-11eb-bde1-2fc0d74c0f5e.html

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/10/08/voting-fraud-arrest-carrollton/amp/

https://www.apr.org/post/two-charged-voter-fraud-south-alabama
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aygart on December 03, 2020, 09:47:42 AM
First? Here's just a few examples from the first page of Google results -

https://kmph.com/news/local/2-charged-with-voter-fraud-in-southern-california

https://kmph.com/news/nation-world/texas-social-worker-charged-134-counts-election-fraud

https://www.wfmz.com/news/area/newjersey/hunterdon-county-makes-arrest-in-voter-fraud-authorities-say/article_455ebad2-212f-11eb-bde1-2fc0d74c0f5e.html

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/10/08/voting-fraud-arrest-carrollton/amp/

https://www.apr.org/post/two-charged-voter-fraud-south-alabama
Those don't count because they fit with the way he wants things to be.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on December 03, 2020, 05:32:05 PM
AZ - Republicans asked to review duplicate ballots to see if any were copied wrong. A judge allowed them to sample 100 (of 28,000), to see if they come up with any issues. They found that 2 of the 100 were switched by poll workers with one going from Trump to Biden, and one going from Trump to no vote. The judge has not yet ruled on their request to review the rest, but the board of elections offered to review another 2,500.

GA - On election night, Republican observers (and the media) were sent home with the claim that counted had stopped and would not continue until the next morning. For the past month, Republicans have been called conspiracy theorist for claiming that they continued counting during the night. Today, Trump's team released surveillance video showing 4 people staying behind, waiting for everyone to leave, and then pulling out 4 suitcases of ballots from under a table and running them through the machine.

The response I've is that one of the people in the room was an observer from the SOS's office (not sure if that's true), but that does not change the fact that they counted without representatives of the Trump campaign/Republican Party
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Randomex on December 03, 2020, 06:00:53 PM
Hmmm...

(https://i.imgur.com/k9FXavO.png)
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aygart on December 03, 2020, 06:05:04 PM
One thing to be careful with is that if you bring a witness to testify in front of a legislature make sure they are not drunk.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 03, 2020, 07:28:08 PM
AZ - Republicans asked to review duplicate ballots to see if any were copied wrong. A judge allowed them to sample 100 (of 28,000), to see if they come up with any issues. They found that 2 of the 100 were switched by poll workers with one going from Trump to Biden, and one going from Trump to no vote. The judge has not yet ruled on their request to review the rest, but the board of elections offered to review another 2,500.
2 out of 100 indicates 560 out of 28000. This is perfectly inline with what recounts are expected to change and not at all widespread fraud.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 03, 2020, 07:40:14 PM
GA - On election night, Republican observers (and the media) were sent home with the claim that counted had stopped and would not continue until the next morning. For the past month, Republicans have been called conspiracy theorist for claiming that they continued counting during the night. Today, Trump's team released surveillance video showing 4 people staying behind, waiting for everyone to leave, and then pulling out 4 suitcases of ballots from under a table and running them through the machine.
This is the opposite of the truth.

Trump team released a video purporting to show a table being brought in at 8:22am with ballots underneath it. There is nothing illegitimate about that.

Trump's team claim of 4 people counting is from 10pm to 1am. Not through the night. It is also not based on any witness or video, it is based on Republican observers being told by news crews counting was happening (aka hearsay), and meeting election workers outside the building at 1am who claimed to have just left. See the full claim below.

On the contrary, the videos prove there was effective surveillance, yet it doesn't show any nefarious action or counting without observers.

This is before addressing the fact Observers are in no way constitutionally required. I'm not sure if GA law mandates them.

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Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on December 03, 2020, 07:48:53 PM
Trump's team claim of 4 people counting is from 10pm to 1am. Not through the night. It is also not based on any witness or video, it is based on Republican observers being told by news crews counting was happening (aka hearsay), and meeting election workers outside the building at 1am who claimed to have just left.

There is video of them counting after everyone left. Your "rebuttal" is the lie that was told until this video was found. The video came from the building surveillance cameras, not from the board of elections or the SOS.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 03, 2020, 07:52:34 PM
There is video of them counting after everyone left. Your "rebuttal" is the lie that was told until this video was found. The video came from the building surveillance cameras, not from the board of elections or the SOS.
Link? The Trump tweet include an OAN excerpt that doesn't mention a word of that, but does mention the hearsay story I posted.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on December 03, 2020, 07:57:58 PM
Link? The Trump tweet include an OAN excerpt that doesn't mention a word of that, but does mention the hearsay story I posted.

I was watching clips of the hearing. I'll have to look to find it.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on December 03, 2020, 08:06:27 PM
I'm not sure if GA law mandates them.

https://codes.findlaw.com/ga/title-21-elections/ga-code-sect-21-2-408.html
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(c) In counties or municipalities using direct recording electronic (DRE) voting systems or optical scanning voting systems, each political party may appoint two poll watchers in each primary or election, each political body may appoint two poll watchers in each election, each nonpartisan candidate may appoint one poll watcher in each nonpartisan election, and each independent candidate may appoint one poll watcher in each election to serve in the locations designated by the superintendent within the tabulating center.  Such designated locations shall include the check-in area, the computer room, the duplication area, and such other areas as the superintendent may deem necessary to the assurance of fair and honest procedures in the tabulating center.  The poll watchers provided for in this subsection shall be appointed and serve in the same manner as other poll watchers.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on December 03, 2020, 08:59:21 PM
Link?

Sorry about the source (especially considering where their source is), but they have a clip here - https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/featured/1925708/watch-this-trump-team-presents-video-evidence-of-blatant-election-fraud-in-georgia.html
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 03, 2020, 09:03:20 PM
Sorry about the source (especially considering where their source is), but they have a clip here - https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/featured/1925708/watch-this-trump-team-presents-video-evidence-of-blatant-election-fraud-in-georgia.html
So let's see if this withstands scrutiny.
YWN cites Russia Today, a known Kremlin propaganda outfit, which in turn cites a Team Trump tweet which claims to show something in an OAN excerpt, yet the OAN excerpt they attached to the tweet shows something completely different. And you fell for it.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: whYME on December 03, 2020, 09:11:34 PM
Link? The Trump tweet include an OAN excerpt that doesn't mention a word of that, but does mention the hearsay story I posted.
...the OAN excerpt they attached to the tweet shows something completely different.
Are we watching the same video/tweet here? because in the one that you posted above she's clearly claiming that it shows what @zh cohen said it did. (namely that they sent out the watchers claiming they were stopping the count then pulled out boxes of ballots from under a table and proceeded to count them unsupervised.)


ETA: ok, this clip doesn't show the pulling boxes out from under the table part, but the rest is there.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 03, 2020, 09:14:28 PM
Are we watching the same video/tweet here? because in the one that you posted above she's clearly claiming that it shows what @zh cohen said it did. (namely that they sent out the watchers claiming they were stopping the count then pulled out boxes of ballots from under a table and proceeded to count them unsupervised.)
The video in the tweet does not claim that. The tweet claims that's in the video, but the video has an entirely different story.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: whYME on December 03, 2020, 09:24:42 PM
The video in the tweet does not claim that.
Sure it does. Did you watch it with the sound on?

Here's a clip that shows more parts of it.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 03, 2020, 09:58:16 PM
Sure it does. Did you watch it with the sound on?

Here's a clip that show's more parts of it.

This is a different clip.

It shows footage from 10:30-11pm, which they claim is ballots being counted (until 1am, not through the night).

Then it skips to footage of a table being placed at 08:21am, trying to claim they were counting ballots from under that table at 10:30pm. However, at 1:06 you can see very clearly the table was empty when they placed it there. Whatever was under there wasn't place at 08:21am.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on December 03, 2020, 10:11:23 PM
So let's see if this withstands scrutiny.
YWN cites Russia Today, a known Kremlin propaganda outfit, which in turn cites a Team Trump tweet which claims to show something in an OAN excerpt, yet the OAN excerpt they attached to the tweet shows something completely different. And you fell for it.

Did you watch the video on the bottom of the YWN page? It shows them taking the ballots out from under the table.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 03, 2020, 10:19:38 PM
Here are some facts.

The burst pipe was fixed by 8am on Nov 3.

https://www.11alive.com/article/news/politics/elections/georgia-absentee-ballots-ok-after-pipe-bursts-at-state-farm-arena/85-37a6c502-09cd-48eb-8856-15c5602d6aff


The delay of the count was specifically said not to be because of a pipe.

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There is a reason nobody actually tried to take this nonsense to a court.

Did you watch the video on the bottom of the YWN page? It shows them taking the ballots out from under the table.
Which was empty when it was brought in at 8am, while they're trying to imply it was brought in with fraudulent votes inside.

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Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on December 03, 2020, 10:22:05 PM
It shows footage from 10:30-11pm, which they claim is ballots being counted (until 1am, not through the night).

Then it skips to footage of a table being placed at 08:21am, trying to claim they were counting ballots from under that table at 10:30pm. However, at 1:06 you can see very clearly the table was empty when they placed it there. Whatever was under there wasn't place at 08:21am.

1 - You seem to be very caught up on the "through the night" thing, as if anyone here was claiming that they were counting the whole night.

2 - In the hearing they said that they are in the process of reviewing the footage to see when the suitcase were put under the table.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Baruch on December 03, 2020, 10:24:53 PM
Those don't count because they fit with the way he wants things to be.
None of those articles say which side the fraud was done for.
1 of them says it was for Dems, but the article is about a story in 2007.

As usual you don't read before you write. And can never let down the chance to be anti anti Trump.

My usual analysis on you, brains - maybe?, balls - no.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 03, 2020, 10:26:23 PM
1 - You seem to be very caught up on the "through the night" thing, as if anyone here was claiming that they were counting the whole night.
That's because you're focusing on that as evidence of fraud.


GA - On election night, Republican observers (and the media) were sent home with the claim that counted had stopped and would not continue until the next morning. For the past month, Republicans have been called conspiracy theorist for claiming that they continued counting during the night. Today, Trump's team released surveillance video showing 4 people staying behind,





Yet here is an article about this incident from Nov 5. The County maintained all along that it continued counting after 10:30pm. There is nothing revealed in these videos (other than ballots may have been stored under a table, in plain sight)

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Georgia Republican Party Chairman David Shafer tweeted Wednesday: Fulton County told our observers last night to go home because they were closing up and then continued to count ballots in secret.

County officials disputed that. Barron told the county board of commissioners that when he learned staffers were dismissed at 10:30 p.m. Tuesday night, he advised that some of them needed to stay, county spokeswoman Jessica Corbitt said in an email.

Based on that directive, a smaller crew continued to work through the night, Corbitt said. It may be possible that observers left at the time the majority of the staff left, but from the information we have, the processing area was never closed to observers.

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-georgia-elections-3e4a91201f3d4f269d7b961e310ed2fe
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on December 03, 2020, 10:30:32 PM
Here are some facts.

The burst pipe was fixed by 8am on Nov 3.

https://www.11alive.com/article/news/politics/elections/georgia-absentee-ballots-ok-after-pipe-bursts-at-state-farm-arena/85-37a6c502-09cd-48eb-8856-15c5602d6aff


The delay of the count was specifically said not to be because of a pipe.

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There is a reason nobody actually tried to take this nonsense to a court.
Which was empty when it was brought in at 8am, while they're trying to imply it was brought in with fraudulent votes inside.

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You continue to debunk claims that no-one but you is making.

Also, the article you posted writes that
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Officials sent ballot counters home at 10:30 p.m. and said they'd return at 8:30 a.m. Wednesday.
Yet now we have video of them counting after 11.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on December 03, 2020, 10:32:16 PM
That's because you're focusing on that as evidence of fraud.

Huh? Where did I say that?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 03, 2020, 10:33:18 PM
You continue to debunk claims that no-one but you is making.

Also, the article you posted writes that Yet now we have video of them counting after 11.
If so, the article I posed is wrong, per the Fulton County statement on Nov 5.

I debunked your claim that counting after 10:30pm was considered a conspiracy theory for a month until footage emerged now. It was officially acknowledged by Fulton County on Nov 5. Do you have anything to say about that or are you going to keep on trying to change the subject?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 03, 2020, 10:35:59 PM
Huh? Where did I say that?
For the past month, Republicans have been called conspiracy theorist for claiming that they continued counting during the night. Today, Trump's team released surveillance video showing 4 people staying behind,
Dead wrong. Counting after 10:30pm was acknowledged on Nov 5 by Fulton County and reported by AP.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 03, 2020, 10:38:03 PM
https://codes.findlaw.com/ga/title-21-elections/ga-code-sect-21-2-408.html
It grants them the option to be there. Fulton county, in a Press Release from Nov 5, claims they voluntarily left after a miscommunication from the county.

Where are affidavits from these Republican poll watchers that they were forced to leave?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: whYME on December 03, 2020, 10:44:15 PM
It grants them the option to be there. Fulton county, in a Press Release from Nov 5, claims they voluntarily left after a miscommunication from the county.
lol, let me guess. There was a "miscommunication" when they claimed that the counting was done for the night, and once the observers "voluntarily" left thinking there was no reason to stay there the counting resumed.

Nothing suspicious there at all.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 03, 2020, 10:50:04 PM
lol, let me guess. There was a "miscommunication" when they claimed that the counting was done for the night, and once the observers "voluntarily" left thinking there was no reason to stay there the counting resumed.

Nothing suspicious there at all.
Definitely not ideal, but so long as the Republican poll-watchers weren't forced to leave, they shouldn't have left.

Also, there is no evidence of the Poll-Watchers being asked or told to leave. The county claims at one point some of the employees mistakenly thought they would stop counting at 10:30pm.

Finally, even if the County did force poll watchers out, and continue counting votes illegal, there is zero evidence this benefited Biden and not Trump. The Republican Sos had a supervisor in there throughout.

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-georgia-elections-3e4a91201f3d4f269d7b961e310ed2fe.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 03, 2020, 10:54:18 PM
Georgia announced an investigation of this Fulton county 10:30pm-1am counting incident on Nov 17

https://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta-news/georgia-opens-2-investigations-into-fultons-elections-operations/EVCBN4ZJTZELPDHMH63POL3RKQ/


https://outline.com/xpNfEw
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aygart on December 03, 2020, 11:08:28 PM
None of those articles say which side the fraud was done for.
1 of them says it was for Dems, but the article is about a story in 2007.

As usual you don't read before you write. And can never let down the chance to be anti anti Trump.

My usual analysis on you, brains - maybe?, balls - no.
If that is what you call those who disagree with your far out opinions then so be it.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on December 03, 2020, 11:17:38 PM
None of those articles say which side the fraud was done for.

How is that in any way relevant to your claim that the video you posted was the first case of voter fraud in 2020?

If that is what you call those who disagree with your far out opinions then so be it.

It is amazing how Trump transforms his opponents into mirror images of him...
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Jellybelly on December 03, 2020, 11:20:25 PM
Georgia governor now calling for a signature audit
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 03, 2020, 11:29:18 PM
Georgia governor now calling for a signature audit
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I assume SoS will cave and call for it, and nothing grossly irregular will be found. Signatures have nothing to do with votes being counted at night

ETA. The Gov called for a Signature Audit already on Nov 23, if not earlier. Another piece of overdramatized news. Doesn't look like the SoS has any intention of doing this
https://gov.georgia.gov/press-releases/2020-11-23/governor-kemp-formalizes-election-certification-calls-signature-audit
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 04, 2020, 02:08:40 AM
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Believe hes Republican
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on December 04, 2020, 07:58:25 AM
I debunked your claim that counting after 10:30pm was considered a conspiracy theory for a month until footage emerged now. It was officially acknowledged by Fulton County on Nov 5. Do you have anything to say about that or are you going to keep on trying to change the subject?

Submitted without comment.


Trump's team claim of 4 people counting is from 10pm to 1am. Not through the night. It is also not based on any witness or video, it is based on Republican observers being told by news crews counting was happening (aka hearsay), and meeting election workers outside the building at 1am who claimed to have just left.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: zh cohen on December 04, 2020, 08:00:50 AM
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The AP article you posted says they shut down for the night, and then changed their mind and told a few people to stay.

Believe hes Republican

He's #NeverTrump
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: avromie7 on December 04, 2020, 09:27:49 AM
Definitely not ideal, but so long as the Republican poll-watchers weren't forced to leave, they shouldn't have left.

Also, there is no evidence of the Poll-Watchers being asked or told to leave. The county claims at one point some of the employees mistakenly thought they would stop counting at 10:30pm.

Finally, even if the County did force poll watchers out, and continue counting votes illegal, there is zero evidence this benefited Biden and not Trump. The Republican Sos had a supervisor in there throughout.

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-georgia-elections-3e4a91201f3d4f269d7b961e310ed2fe.
This is ridiculous, this is akin to counting in a secret location, but because they weren't explicitly denied access you're saying it's fine.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aygart on December 04, 2020, 09:32:00 AM
This is ridiculous, this is akin to counting in a secret location, but because they weren't explicitly denied access you're saying it's fine.
To lie and trick them is fine as long as they weren't forced out by gunpoint. And Trump is a liar.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 04, 2020, 10:07:48 AM
To lie and trick them is fine as long as they weren't forced out by gunpoint. And Trump is a liar.

Are you arguing Trump is not a liar?

Nobody said it's fine, I specifically said it's not ideal. It's also not fraudulent, and it's dumb of the Poll Watchers to leave before a Poll Site is closed.

There is no evidence they were lied to or tricked. The Fulton County Press Release from Nov 5, and the GA Investigation on Nov 17 found no wrongdoing, nobody was lied or tricked.

Finally, this is as much anti-Biden as it is anti-Trump


This is ridiculous, this is akin to counting in a secret location, but because they weren't explicitly denied access you're saying it's fine.
That's total BS. A secret location without informing Poll Watchers isn't an illegitimate count. Poll Watchers knowing there is a count, knowing where it is, and being allowed to be present is no way similar even if some employees mistakenly told them the count would end earlier. A Poll Watcher shouldn't leave a Poll Site until there is nobody left inside or he is dragged out.
The AP article you posted says they shut down for the night, and then changed their mind and told a few people to stay.
Nope. It says they decided to shut down, then changed their mind. It does not say they actually shut down.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 04, 2020, 10:12:32 AM
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This is going to cost them the senate.

Submitted without comment.

So in an attempt to distract from the fact that your original claim was bogus, you're submitting a post from before I knew of the county's Nov 5 statement, GA Nov 17 investigation, and footage that became viral now, where I correctly pointed out the Trump Team claims you quoted did not cite any evidence and only cited hearsay, as being wrong because in fact there evidence. Yet I was still right, the Trump Team tweets from yesterday don't use this evidence and instead base their claims on hearsay, which is what I claimed.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 04, 2020, 10:44:22 AM
https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2020/12/fact-check-video-from-ga-does-not-show-suitcases-filled-with-ballots-pulled-from-under-a-table-after-poll-workers-dismissed.html

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Frances Watson, chief investigator for the Georgia secretary of state, told Lead Stories during a phone call on December 3, 2020, that the ballots were in standard containers, and the work during the time in question had nothing to do with pulling ballots from under a table. She said:

There wasn't a bin that had ballots in it under that table. It was an empty bin and the ballots from it were actually out on the table when the media were still there, and then it was placed back into the box when the media were still there and placed next to the table.

There was never an announcement made to the media and other observers about the counting being over for the night and them needing to leave, according to Watson, who was provided information by the media liaison, who was present. She said they just followed the "cutters" as they left.

She said:

Nobody told them to stay. Nobody told them to leave. Nobody gave them any advice on what they should do. And It was still open for them or the public to come back in to view at whatever time they wanted to, as long as they were still working.[/i]

In addition, she explained that the only ballots that were scanned after the media and other observers had left were those that had already been opened in front of these observers.

Contrary to the claim, the ballots were not in suitcases, she said. The black boxes and bins seen in the video are the standard container used for the ballot counting process.

A state election board monitor, who asked for his name not to be used due to safety concerns, told Lead Stories on the phone on December 3, 2020, that he was present at the vote counting location beginning at 11:52 p.m., after leaving briefly at earlier in the evening. He then stayed until about 12:45 a.m., when the work that night was completed.

The deputy chief investigator for the secretary of state's office was present beginning at 12:15 a.m. November 4, he said.

The election monitor also told Lead Stories that between 8 p.m. on November 3, 2020, and 12:43 a.m. on November 4, 2020, the scanners had scanned about 10,000 ballots.

According to the Georgia Secretary of State's office, Biden received 2,474,507 votes, while Trump received 2,461,837 -- a winning margin of 12,670 votes for Biden. In other words, the votes counted during this period would not have changed the results of this election even if they all were switched from Trump to Biden.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: avromie7 on December 04, 2020, 11:19:41 AM
https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2020/12/fact-check-video-from-ga-does-not-show-suitcases-filled-with-ballots-pulled-from-under-a-table-after-poll-workers-dismissed.html
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According to the Georgia Secretary of State's office, Biden received 2,474,507 votes, while Trump received 2,461,837 -- a winning margin of 12,670 votes for Biden. In other words, the votes counted during this period would not have changed the results of this election even if they all were switched from Trump to Biden.
This is something I've seen from you and others many times, the claim that because this instance of alleged fraud wouldn't change the election we should just ignore it. You're more than welcome to deny the claim of fraud, but fraud on any significant scale should definitely be a huge concern especially because something like this that would shrink Bidens margin by around 90%. Nevermind the fact that this is assuming the number 10k ballots is accurate, because the machines can tabulate 3k/hour, multiply that by 3 machines for 2 hours and you get 18k which is more than the current margin.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Baruch on December 04, 2020, 11:31:01 AM
How is that in any way relevant to your claim that the video you posted was the first case of voter fraud in 2020?

It is amazing how Trump transforms his opponents into mirror images of him...
I quoted his explanation of why I omitted those.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aygart on December 04, 2020, 11:38:29 AM
This is something I've seen from you and others many times, the claim that because this instance of alleged fraud wouldn't change the election we should just ignore it. You're more than welcome to deny the claim of fraud, but fraud on any significant scale should definitely be a huge concern especially because something like this that would shrink Bidens margin by around 90%. Nevermind the fact that this is assuming the number 10k ballots is accurate, because the machines can tabulate 3k/hour, multiply that by 3 machines for 2 hours and you get 18k which is more than the current margin.
Honestly, if one good thing comes out from the whole back it forth here it can be better monitoring for fraud or other inequities in the future. I don't think that it is relevant whether it would flip the election. It CAN flip the election in other cases if left to continue. The way Ds fight against ANY investigation of election fraud is, to me the biggest indicator that it is happening somewhere somehow. The fight against investigation is what is destroying confidence in elections more than some silly accusations getting thrown out of court.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 04, 2020, 11:40:55 AM
This is something I've seen from you and others many times, the claim that because this instance of alleged fraud wouldn't change the election we should just ignore it. You're more than welcome to deny the claim of fraud, but fraud on any significant scale should definitely be a huge concern especially because something like this that would shrink Bidens margin by around 90%.

Nobody said fraud is OK. We said there was no fraud here , but even if there was the results are still correct.

Nevermind the fact that this is assuming the number 10k ballots is accurate, because the machines can tabulate 3k/hour, multiply that by 3 machines for 2 hours and you get 18k which is more than the current margin.
Presumably they have a log of ballots posted during these times which is more reliable than a random YouTube poster with a demonstrated tendency to doctor claims.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 04, 2020, 11:41:45 AM
The way Ds fight against ANY investigation of election fraud is, to me the biggest indicator that it is happening somewhere somehow. The fight against investigation is what is destroying confidence in elections more than some silly accusations getting thrown out of court.
You realize in this story all sides are Republican?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: avromie7 on December 04, 2020, 11:43:52 AM
Honestly, if one good thing comes out from the whole back it forth here it can be better monitoring for fraud or other inequities in the future. I don't think that it is relevant whether it would flip the election. It CAN flip the election in other cases if left to continue. The way Ds fight against ANY investigation of election fraud is, to me the biggest indicator that it is happening somewhere somehow. The fight against investigation is what is destroying confidence in elections more than some silly accusations getting thrown out of court.
+1

They're not serious about a fair election, any claims they make are solely because they think it will help them win and nothing else. If the Ds were serious about a fair election they would be open to any and all investigations.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: avromie7 on December 04, 2020, 11:47:47 AM
Presumably they have a log of ballots posted during these times which is more reliable than a random YouTube poster with a demonstrated tendency to doctor claims.
You don't have to take her claims at face value either.
You realize in this story all sides are Republican?
There is only 1 side vehemently denying there is any reason to investigate any of the allegations of fraud.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 04, 2020, 11:50:25 AM
+1

They're not serious about a fair election, any claims they make are solely because they think it will help them win and nothing else. If the Ds were serious about a fair election they would be open to any and all investigations.
I shall remind you that Bush beat Gore in 2004 because SCOTUS limited the FL recount. The margin ended up at a bit more than 500 votes, and if they would've recount all votes, it's quite possible Gore would've won.

I guess you don't like transparency when it doesn't suit you.

Signature audit, unlike that benign recount, infringes upon voters right for privacy, and changing the laws after an election is the exact opposite of fair, and quite possibly violates those voters constitutional rights of due process.

You don't have to take her claims at face value either.  There is only 1 side vehemently denying there is any reason to investigate any of the allegations of fraud.
I tend to trust a GA Republican official investigation, yes.
The side denying any reason to investigate is REPUBLICAN GA officials. You won't hear Democrats talking about this much.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Jellybelly on December 04, 2020, 11:53:14 AM
You tend to trust a republican election official investigation??
Haha
Thats only cuz theyre  saying what you want them to say.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aygart on December 04, 2020, 11:53:59 AM
You realize in this story all sides are Republican?
I am not talking about GA right now specifically.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 04, 2020, 11:56:22 AM
You tend to trust a republican election official investigation??
Haha
Thats only cuz theyre  saying what you want them to say.
Totally not true. I would trust an official gov investigation either way. That's the difference between me and you.

I am not talking about GA right now specifically.
The bottom line is the dumb poor voters who can't be bothered to figure out their ID's and never really have anything to sign to know how to do that, vote D, and they won't want to lose those votes. The actual election processes other than ID are usually bipartisan
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aygart on December 04, 2020, 12:11:14 PM
Totally not true. I would trust an official gov investigation either way. That's the difference between me and you.
The bottom line is the dumb poor voters who can't be bothered to figure out their ID's and never really have anything to sign to know how to do that, vote D, and they won't want to lose those votes. The actual election processes other than ID are usually bipartisan
Ahh but these people who can't figure out how to get a basic ID were all able to properly fill in the mail in ballots by themselves. MMHHMM.

Comeon man! You are smart enough to know that is a bunch of bunk.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 04, 2020, 12:13:50 PM
Ahh but these people who can't figure out how to get a basic ID were all able to properly fill in the mail in ballots by themselves. MMHHMM.

Comeon man! You are smart enough to know that is a bunch of bunk.
Filling a mail in ballot takes a lot less effort, and much easier for volunteers to help with than obtaining an ID. I happen to support a voter ID requirement, but that doesn't mean I believe there's widespread fraud.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: yungermanchik on December 04, 2020, 12:18:50 PM
Filling a mail in ballot takes a lot less effort, and much easier for volunteers to help with than obtaining an ID. I happen to support a voter ID requirement, but that doesn't mean I believe there's widespread fraud.
The "volunteers" "help" may be part of the fraud. See ballot harvesting.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Jellybelly on December 04, 2020, 12:28:41 PM
Is there anyway to check if Georgia had one of those infamous spikes around that time?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aygart on December 04, 2020, 12:29:18 PM
For all you suitcase guys. I didn't watch this or the original video being discussed.

Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 04, 2020, 12:30:02 PM
The "volunteers" "help" may be part of the fraud. See ballot harvesting.
... and may not be.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aygart on December 04, 2020, 12:32:26 PM
... and may not be.
True. Let's investigate it. But the Ds will stand in the way just like they have in the past.
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Post by: Jellybelly on December 04, 2020, 12:33:39 PM
https://djhjmedia.com/kari/us-reps-demand-this-is-the-hill-to-die-on-we-want-barr-to-do-a-forensic-audit-of-the-election/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 04, 2020, 12:35:54 PM
True. Let's investigate it. But the Ds will stand in the way just like they have in the past.
I don't know if that's true, but in any case every side protests investigation that go against their potential votes. That's how the world turns, and why both parties have veto capabilities on election certification.

I shall remind you that Bush beat Gore in 2004 because SCOTUS limited the FL recount. The margin ended up at a bit more than 500 votes, and if they would've recount all votes, it's quite possible Gore would've won.

I guess you don't like transparency when it doesn't suit you.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aygart on December 04, 2020, 12:46:54 PM
I don't know if that's true, but in any case every side protests investigation that go against their potential votes. That's how the world turns, and why both parties have veto capabilities on election certification.

The FL votes were independently investigated numerous times afterwards with the result remaining the same.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 04, 2020, 12:49:13 PM
The FL votes were independently investigated numerous times afterwards with the result remaining the same.
But were Republicans blocking investigations and transparency at the time?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: avromie7 on December 04, 2020, 01:01:16 PM
But were Republicans blocking investigations and transparency at the time?
Were there allegations of fraud?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 04, 2020, 01:03:39 PM
Were there allegations of fraud?
Sure, a lot more credible and likely to overturn the election than now.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aygart on December 04, 2020, 01:13:12 PM
But were Republicans blocking investigations and transparency at the time?

But are they blocking investigations ALWAYS? I am not referring to Ds trying to get this election in the bag. That is procedural and insincere on both sides. I am referring to every time there is ANYTHING attempted to detect or investigate fraud in general it gets blocked by Ds.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aygart on December 04, 2020, 01:13:44 PM
Sure, a lot more credible and likely to overturn the election than now.
I don't remember that, but it was a while ago. Can you point to any source?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: yungermanchik on December 04, 2020, 01:21:56 PM
I don't remember that, but it was a while ago. Can you point to any source?
I didn't read it, just the headline, https://www.nytimes.com/2000/11/10/us/2000-campaign-florida-vote-democrats-tell-problems-polls-across-florida.html
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aygart on December 04, 2020, 01:39:27 PM
I didn't read it, just the headline, https://www.nytimes.com/2000/11/10/us/2000-campaign-florida-vote-democrats-tell-problems-polls-across-florida.html
problems /= fraud.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: whYME on December 04, 2020, 01:53:38 PM
I didn't read it, just the headline, https://www.nytimes.com/2000/11/10/us/2000-campaign-florida-vote-democrats-tell-problems-polls-across-florida.html
I didn't read the article either, but from the headline they're claiming there problems "across Florida" yet they wanted the recount limited to 4? heavily democrat counties. Hmmmmm....
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aygart on December 04, 2020, 03:18:04 PM
I didn't read the article either, but from the headline they're claiming there problems "across Florida" yet they wanted the recount limited to 4? heavily democrat counties. Hmmmmm....
Each side want to move it there way. Shocked I tell you.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: yungermanchik on December 04, 2020, 03:45:11 PM
problems /= fraud.
I didn't read the article either, but from the headline they're claiming there problems "across Florida" yet they wanted the recount limited to 4? heavily democrat counties. Hmmmmm....
Sorry I meant the the lines that showed up on the Google search (https://www.google.com/search?safe=strict&sxsrf=ALeKk03v93pwuECcmuQtetzS5SHb-UgEsg%3A1607105764546&ei=5HzKX_7IIKCu5NoP-LGsgAQ&q=were+there+allegations+of+voter+fraud+in+florida+2000&oq=were+there+allegations+of+voter+fraud+in+florida+2000&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQDFAAWABgpAtoAHAAeACAAQCIAQCSAQCYAQCqAQdnd3Mtd2l6&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwj-ytjB97TtAhUgF1kFHfgYC0AQ4dUDCA0) 2nd result
irregularities is generally a euphemism for fraud. Not that I believe the NYT but there were "allegations" back then
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 05, 2020, 06:50:45 PM
I don't remember that, but it was a while ago. Can you point to any source?


GA counting at 10:30pm-1am without poll watchers = fraud
FL stalled and refused to count ballots they illegally declared flawed despite court orders until a technical deadline = not fraud

https://theconversation.com/a-history-of-contested-presidential-elections-from-samuel-tilden-to-al-gore-149414


The essence was for more nefarious, even if the rhetoric wasn't as inflammatory. I shall remind you Trump lawyers, including Rudy Guliani, have told Courts they do not allege fraud.


Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aygart on December 05, 2020, 07:45:09 PM

GA counting at 10:30pm-1am without poll watchers = fraud
FL stalled and refused to count ballots they illegally declared flawed despite court orders until a technical deadline = not fraud

https://theconversation.com/a-history-of-contested-presidential-elections-from-samuel-tilden-to-al-gore-149414


The essence was for more nefarious, even if the rhetoric wasn't as inflammatory. I shall remind you Trump lawyers, including Rudy Guliani, have told Courts they do not allege fraud.




If you still think that I feel this election is going to get changed you haven't been paying attention.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 05, 2020, 08:59:48 PM
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Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: S209 on December 05, 2020, 09:41:14 PM
+1

They're not serious about a fair election, any claims they make are solely because they think it will help them win and nothing else. If the Ds were serious about a fair election they would be open to any and all investigations.
You believe this is only true of Ds? Trumps claims are not purely because hes hoping it will help him win and nothing else, and all Trump wants is a fair election?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 05, 2020, 10:53:26 PM
I can't find the original post where this blatant Republican fraud was called out, but GA just argued it in court

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Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 05, 2020, 11:08:27 PM
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 06, 2020, 11:38:11 AM
A beautifully thorough debunking of the Trumpster experts

https://www.democracydocket.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/45/2020/11/Motion-to-Exclude-Testimony.pdf
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Post by: yesitsme on December 06, 2020, 02:33:27 PM
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 06, 2020, 11:17:18 PM
The GA State Nov 17 investigation results submitted to court.

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Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: good sam on December 07, 2020, 12:57:04 PM
He reads DDF now?

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Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 07, 2020, 02:23:28 PM
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Post by: Euclid on December 07, 2020, 04:10:05 PM
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The Great Barington Declaration.
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 09, 2020, 01:20:18 AM
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 09, 2020, 11:57:52 AM
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 09, 2020, 12:24:55 PM
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Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 09, 2020, 10:40:18 PM
The left is starting to devise their own fraud narratives

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1336713647050153984.html
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: avromie7 on December 10, 2020, 12:21:50 PM
The left is starting to devise their own fraud narratives

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1336713647050153984.html
Maybe now they'll agree to implement voter ID.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: ShimshonK on December 22, 2020, 08:00:48 PM
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Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 23, 2020, 01:32:05 PM
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Post by: aygart on December 23, 2020, 02:16:35 PM
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Written by probably the only person who didn't expect them to win.
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 28, 2020, 02:49:47 PM
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Post by: aygart on December 28, 2020, 02:51:57 PM
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Their point about quoting Stalin is dumb, but this idea is the first one I've seen from the Rs that is truly a threat to democracy.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: AsherO on December 28, 2020, 04:21:57 PM
Their point about quoting Stalin is dumb, but this idea is the first one I've seen from the Rs that is truly a threat to democracy.

But it isn't coming from politicians, it's coming from media personalities. No?

I find it ironic they're calling him King Trump in all of this. If it would go down this way then he wouldn't be a duly elected president, he'd be a dictatorial monarch.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aygart on December 28, 2020, 04:58:27 PM
But it isn't coming from politicians, it's coming from media personalities. No?

I find it ironic they're calling him King Trump in all of this. If it would go down this way then he wouldn't be a duly elected president, he'd be a dictatorial monarch.

Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: justaregularguy on December 28, 2020, 08:09:36 PM
its ridiculous . You either have irrefutable evidence of fraud which courts will look at an overturn the election, or you dont . All these piles of evidence team trump has is just indications that should prompt further  investigations. Not evidence of actual fraud itself
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Jellybelly on December 28, 2020, 08:14:00 PM
its ridiculous . You either have irrefutable evidence of fraud which courts will look at an overturn the election, or you dont . All these piles of evidence team trump has is just indications that should prompt further  investigations. Not evidence of actual fraud itself
Seems like their issue is, that No one is investigating. I might be wrong, but most of the cases in court were thrown out for different reasons and the fraud has never really been investigated.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aygart on December 28, 2020, 08:19:28 PM
Seems like their issue is, that No one is investigating. I might be wrong, but most of the cases in court were thrown out for different reasons and the fraud has never really been investigated.
Except all of the places where they did conduct investigations and found nothing.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: justaregularguy on December 28, 2020, 08:27:26 PM
Except all of the places where they did conduct investigations and found nothing.
what about the small audit on the machines that returned something 67% errors?
Honestly my mom watches all this stuff and Im only hearing one side of the argument . I just believe if the courts thought there was a huge smoking gun theyd take the case
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aygart on December 28, 2020, 08:45:35 PM
what about the small audit on the machines that returned something 67% errors?
Honestly my mom watches all this stuff and Im only hearing one side of the argument . I just believe if the courts thought there was a huge smoking gun theyd take the case
Just look for the responses to each allegation.
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 28, 2020, 09:37:26 PM
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 28, 2020, 11:58:46 PM
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 29, 2020, 07:16:24 PM
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Post by: aygart on December 29, 2020, 07:25:27 PM
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But the software they used wasn't good or something like that lol
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Post by: Dan on December 29, 2020, 09:18:43 PM
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I'm surprised the fall isn't greater. His behavior is eye opening.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 29, 2020, 09:22:10 PM
I'm surprised the fall isn't greater. His behavior is eye opening.
He has a strong grip on people. In a year or two as he fades away, people will realize how absurd it all was. His message resonates with people who don't check his actual record.
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Post by: Euclid on December 29, 2020, 09:51:54 PM
I'm surprised the fall isn't greater. His behavior is eye opening.
It's eye opening to me that only now his behavior is eye opening to other people. I guess I should be happy for them that they've never needed to deal with narcissists.
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Post by: yelped on December 29, 2020, 10:01:19 PM
It's eye opening to me that only now his behavior is eye opening to other people. I guess I should be happy for them that they've never needed to deal with narcissists.
It sounds like you have a lot to say on the subject and that you've had your personal experiences...
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Post by: Euclid on December 29, 2020, 10:01:44 PM
It sounds like you have a lot to say on the subject and that you've had your personal experiences...
Correct. Not for here though ;)
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aygart on December 29, 2020, 10:21:15 PM
I'm surprised the fall isn't greater. His behavior is eye opening.
What did you see about him that you didn't know before?
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Post by: Dan on December 29, 2020, 10:26:48 PM
What did you see about him that you didn't know before?
I'm not talking about me, but others I know who had the spell lifted.
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Post by: yelped on December 29, 2020, 10:32:46 PM
I'm not talking about me, but others I know who had the spell lifted.
At least now. I think that may have to do with their "side" not winning than his actual behavior.
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aygart on December 30, 2020, 12:03:32 AM
This morning I was telling someone how the Rs gave away the election by discouraging rarely and mail in voting and were unable to overcome that. He answered stolen blah blah. I told that had they not given it away they could have won by so much that no cheating would help and it was only their incompetence that made them lose it. He was finally hearing something.

Trump was as arrogant in this election as Hillary was in the last with the same result.
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 30, 2020, 12:11:20 AM
This morning I was telling someone how the Rs gave away the election by discouraging rarely and mail in voting and were unable to overcome that. He answered stolen blah blah. I told that had they not given it away they could have won by so much that no cheating would help and it was only their incompetence that made them lose it. He was finally hearing something.
Good argument
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Post by: mushkovits on December 30, 2020, 01:15:31 PM

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Post by: Toasted on December 30, 2020, 01:25:14 PM
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https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/dec/23/facebook-posts/bogus-analysis-leads-ridiculous-claim-about-biden-/
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Post by: Jellybelly on December 30, 2020, 02:11:31 PM
Senator Hawley says he will object on Jan 6th
Pence just canceled a trip overseas that was planned for Jan 6th...
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Post by: S209 on December 30, 2020, 02:29:26 PM
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/dec/23/facebook-posts/bogus-analysis-leads-ridiculous-claim-about-biden-/
We should use this saga as an example of how seemingly reasonable people can be duped to the point of incoherence. Honestly, does anyone objective (if possible) think there are two reasonable sides to this?
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Post by: Euclid on December 30, 2020, 02:33:16 PM
Senator Hawley says he will object on Jan 6th
Pence just canceled a trip overseas that was planned for Jan 6th...
Halevai we should await Moshiach with the same fervor that people await the "new next date" that He will be crowned president.

(Puns fully intended.)
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Post by: Jellybelly on December 30, 2020, 02:46:35 PM
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Cobb county was never suspected of fraud, that why they chose to audit it. Trumps team wanted Fulton county to be audited and it seems like they might get it
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Post by: S209 on December 30, 2020, 02:51:18 PM
Cobb county was never suspected of fraud, that why they chose to audit it.
Fascinating.

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Post by: Jellybelly on December 30, 2020, 02:55:16 PM
Fascinating.

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Hes on trumps team?

Fascinating indeed
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Post by: skyguy918 on December 30, 2020, 03:27:19 PM
We should use this saga as an example of how seemingly reasonable people can be duped to the point of incoherence. Honestly, does anyone objective (if possible) think there are two reasonable sides to this?
It's astounding. He (this Binney guy) obviously though the 66.2% was of registered voters (hence applying it to the registered voters total), but how did he think they came up with that (imagined) number? The obvious answer would be total votes dividend by total registered voters. If there were truly some number of votes from people who never (even at the time of casting their ballot) registered, we would have no way of tallying that group separately from the total.
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Post by: S209 on December 30, 2020, 04:06:59 PM
Hes on trumps team?

Fascinating indeed
Selective memory?
Cobb county was never suspected of fraud
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Post by: gozalim on December 30, 2020, 04:40:55 PM
Pence just canceled a trip overseas that was planned for Jan 6th...
huh?
why would he plan the trip?
VP presiding over the process goes back over 100 years...
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 31, 2020, 02:43:31 AM
huh?
why would he plan the trip?
VP presiding over the process goes back over 100 years...
Pence cancelled a trip to Israel that was scheduled for Jan 13

Probably more related to this from the Chair of the UK Parliament Defense Committee

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Post by: Jellybelly on January 02, 2021, 06:50:10 PM
Reports of over 10 R senators committing to oppose certifying the 2020 election.
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 02, 2021, 07:48:43 PM
Reports of over 10 R senators committing to oppose certifying the 2020 election.
Great way to perpetuate the divide in the Republican Party and have the 2024 election look like the current GA runoff polls.
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Post by: Jellybelly on January 02, 2021, 07:53:29 PM
Great way to perpetuate the divide in the Republican Party and have the 2024 election look like the current GA runoff polls.
Again with the polls....
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Post by: aygart on January 02, 2021, 07:59:39 PM
Great way to perpetuate the divide in the Republican Party and have the 2024 election look like the current GA runoff polls.
You really think this will still be on the radar in 4 years?
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 02, 2021, 08:19:40 PM
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You really think this will still be on the radar in 4 years?
You think Trump will stop talking about it?

Again with the polls....
Almost as irrelevant as election results arent they?
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Post by: aygart on January 02, 2021, 08:28:22 PM
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You think Trump will stop talking about it?
Almost as irrelevant as election results arent they?
Who? Who is that?
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 04, 2021, 02:38:12 PM
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 08, 2021, 09:09:52 AM
(Bloomberg) - Former Trump campaign lawyer Sidney Powell was sued for defamation by the voting-machine company she repeatedly placed at the center of a vast and unfounded election conspiracy. .. The complaint filed Friday by Dominion Voting Systems Inc. seeks $1.3 billion ..
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 12, 2021, 01:19:45 PM
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Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: Baruch on January 12, 2021, 02:51:35 PM
Again with the polls....
I just saw a poll that 75% of republicans think the elections were fraudulent. I guess your from the other 25%
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Post by: Shaya E on January 12, 2021, 03:13:59 PM

Lol.
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Post by: aradisc on January 12, 2021, 04:46:45 PM
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Post by: stooges44 on January 13, 2021, 02:18:00 PM
https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2021/01/13/texas-ag-san-antonio-woman-in-project-veritas-video-arrested-on-election-related-charges/

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Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 13, 2021, 08:59:32 PM
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When the conman stiffs the other conman
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 15, 2021, 11:57:39 AM
(Bloomberg) - Former Trump campaign lawyer Sidney Powell was sued for defamation by the voting-machine company she repeatedly placed at the center of a vast and unfounded election conspiracy. .. The complaint filed Friday by Dominion Voting Systems Inc. seeks $1.3 billion ..

Talk is cheap, until it isn't

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American Thinker and contributors Andrea Widburg, R.D. Wedge, Brian Tomlinson, and Peggy Ryan have published pieces on www.AmericanThinker.com that falsely accuse US Dominion Inc., Dominion Voting Systems, Inc., and Dominion Voting Systems Corporation (collectively Dominion) of conspiring to steal the November 2020 election from Donald Trump. These pieces rely on discredited sources who have peddled debunked theories about Dominions supposed ties to Venezuela, fraud on Dominions machines that resulted in massive vote switching or weighted votes, and other claims falsely stating that there is credible evidence that Dominion acted fraudulently.

These statements are completely false and have no basis in fact. Industry experts and public officials alike have confirmed that Dominion conducted itself appropriately and that there is simply no evidence to support these claims.

It was wrong for us to publish these false statements. We apologize to Dominion for all of the harm this caused them and their employees. We also apologize to our readers for abandoning 9 journalistic principles and misrepresenting Dominions track record and its limited role in tabulating votes for the November 2020 election. We regret this grave error.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/01/statement.html
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aradisc on January 16, 2021, 08:01:39 PM
Strong and compelling words from Sen. Sasse

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/01/conspiracy-theories-will-doom-republican-party/617707/

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January 6 is a new red-letter day in U.S. history, not just because it was the first time that the Capitol had been ransacked since the War of 1812, but because a subset of the invaders apparently were attempting to disrupt a constitutionally mandated meeting of the Congress, kidnap the vice president, and somehow force him to declare Trump the victor in an election he lost. En route, the mob ultimately injured scores of law-enforcement officers. The attack led to the deaths of two officers and four other Americans. But the toll could have been much worse: Police located pipe bombs at the headquarters of both the Republican and Democratic National Committees. Investigators discovered a vehicle fully loaded with weaponry and what prosecutors are calling homemade napalm bombs.

The violence that Americans witnessedand that might recur in the coming daysis not a protest gone awry or the work of a few bad apples. It is the blossoming of a rotten seed that took root in the Republican Party some time ago and has been nourished by treachery, poor political judgment, and cowardice. When Trump leaves office, my party faces a choice: We can dedicate ourselves to defending the Constitution and perpetuating our best American institutions and traditions, or we can be a party of conspiracy theories, cable-news fantasies, and the ruin that comes with them. We can be the party of Eisenhower, or the party of the conspiracist Alex Jones. We can applaud Officer Goodman or side with the mob he outwitted. We cannot do both.
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Post by: yesitsme on January 16, 2021, 08:04:26 PM
"If you need troops to protect your inauguration, something is wrong with your election"
Title: Re: Do you think Biden Stole The 2020 Elections?
Post by: aradisc on January 16, 2021, 08:47:58 PM
"If you need troops to protect your inauguration, something is wrong with your election"

Who said this, John Wilkes Booth?