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Title: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: Jerseysteve on December 31, 2020, 11:47:39 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9100029/LA-begins-issuing-digital-vaccine-verification-Apple-Wallet.html
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: Jerseysteve on December 31, 2020, 11:53:06 AM
For further speculation
https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/27/tech/coronavirus-vaccine-passport-apps/index.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/travel/yellow-card-vaccine-passport/2020/12/30/746c0558-40b7-11eb-8db8-395dedaaa036_story.html
https://www.cnet.com/health/covid-19-vaccine-card-is-not-an-immunity-passport-heres-the-difference/
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: mijo on January 10, 2021, 10:29:16 AM
Yeah - the nurse added a line to my WHO Yellow Card - this is not going to be enough for most countries.

(https://i.postimg.cc/L4yYY6qL/Whats-App-Image-2021-01-07-at-11-01-06.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/F1LswvVH)

Maybe Ghana and Nigeria - the reason I even have the card in the first place.
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: Traveler718 on January 14, 2021, 02:33:52 PM
https://thehill.com/policy/technology/534228-tech-coalition-working-to-create-digital-covid-19-vaccination-passport
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: Something Fishy on March 17, 2021, 04:50:16 PM
This is a conundrum that absolutely must be resolved. Places are opening up for vaccinated people requiring certain types of certification, which basically no one is giving. This is going to be a massive mess before long.
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: Something Fishy on March 17, 2021, 04:52:03 PM
Yeah - the nurse added a line to my WHO Yellow Card - this is not going to be enough for most countries.

I was wondering about that - I'll ask the nurse to add it to my yellow card but I doubt she will.

And even if she does, why should anyone trust it? I can add it myself. The YC is not a very secure medium...
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: Kobe Bryant on March 17, 2021, 06:19:52 PM
https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/edelstein-over-4-million-eligible-for-green-passport-662259
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: yos9694 on March 17, 2021, 09:08:10 PM
This is a problem that can be solved with blockchain. Just need to implant a chip with the vaccine that holds the private key and verification can be certified with integrity.
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: Joel on March 17, 2021, 10:55:57 PM
https://www.clearme.com/vaccine-validation
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: AsherO on March 17, 2021, 11:26:58 PM
This is a problem that can be solved with blockchain. Just need to implant a chip with the vaccine that holds the private key and verification can be certified with integrity.

I hope you’re trolling. Maybe shoehorn 5G in there somehow too.
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: yos9694 on March 18, 2021, 07:18:42 AM
A little. Using blockchain would be a great solution but unfortunately many people would not be able to securely hold their own private keys, so it can't be a universal solution unless somehow the private keys are effortlessly connected with the person. I'm kidding about a chip in the vaccine though if it were real that would be great for this idea.
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: YitzyS on March 18, 2021, 07:44:48 AM
I think some chasidish guy is going to strike it rich by founding the World Vaccination Organization. or WVO (not to be confused with WHO), and pull off that the UN should recognize it as the international database for vaccine documentation.
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: AsherO on March 18, 2021, 09:20:57 AM
I think some chasidish guy is going to strike it rich by founding the World Vaccination Organization. or WVO (not to be confused with WHO), and pull off that the UN should recognize it as the international database for vaccine documentation.

He can call it YIVO - Yankel’s International Vaccine Organization... oh wait...
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: YitzyS on March 18, 2021, 10:09:25 AM
He can call it YIVO - Yankel’s International Vaccine Organization... oh wait...
I think it should be WHAT, but I couldn't figure out what the acronyms should stand for.

"I'm approved by the WHO and the WHAT!"
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: yelped on March 18, 2021, 10:20:10 AM
I think it should be WHAT, but I couldn't figure out what the acronyms should stand for.

"I'm approved by the WHO and the WHAT!"
Who was first?
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: YitzyS on March 18, 2021, 10:23:51 AM
Who was first?
The Inoculation Dose Knowledgebase, or IDK.
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: AsherO on March 18, 2021, 11:26:04 AM
I think it should be WHAT, but I couldn't figure out what the acronyms should stand for.

"I'm approved by the WHO and the WHAT!"

World Health Antidote Tabulation
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: yelped on March 18, 2021, 11:32:18 AM
The Inoculation Dose Knowledgebase, or IDK.
That was third.
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: etech0 on March 18, 2021, 11:35:00 AM
We Have Antibodies Today
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: ExGingi on March 18, 2021, 11:38:17 AM
This is a conundrum that absolutely must be resolved. Places are opening up for vaccinated people requiring certain types of certification, which basically no one is giving. This is going to be a massive mess before long.

Simple.

COVID-19 is the politician's opium.

They aren't letting it go away easily. They will throw any bureaucratic move they can fathom at it in order to keep it around in one form or another for as long as possible.
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: Something Fishy on March 19, 2021, 10:57:22 AM
I was wondering about that - I'll ask the nurse to add it to my yellow card but I doubt she will.

And even if she does, why should anyone trust it? I can add it myself. The YC is not a very secure medium...

They were happy to fill in the yellow card (surprising, actually). Probably doesn't do much, but can't hurt.
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: Dan on March 19, 2021, 12:01:17 PM
https://andystravelblog.com/2021/03/19/entering-iceland-cdc-vaccination/
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: Something Fishy on March 19, 2021, 12:03:01 PM
https://andystravelblog.com/2021/03/19/entering-iceland-cdc-vaccination/

AWE. SOME.
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: moisheyb on March 19, 2021, 02:28:19 PM
AWE. SOME.
When's the next trip?
Day after pesach?
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: Traveler718 on March 19, 2021, 03:14:54 PM
When's the next trip?
Day after pesach?

Why wait so long? Kosher Horizons chol hamoed adventure now boarding...

And just in time now that Iceland recognizes Judaism as a religion: https://vosizneias.com/2021/03/18/iceland-adds-judaism-to-list-of-state-recognized-religions/
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: Traveler718 on March 19, 2021, 03:15:34 PM
Vaccinated Israelis will be allowed in Uman for Rosh Hashana (not sure that CDC card will cut it though):

https://vosizneias.com/2021/03/19/ukraine-to-let-in-vaccinated-israeli-pilgrims-for-rosh-hashanah-in-uman/
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: moisheyb on March 19, 2021, 03:47:24 PM
Why wait so long? Kosher Horizons chol hamoed adventure now boarding...

And just in time now that Iceland recognizes Judaism as a religion: https://vosizneias.com/2021/03/18/iceland-adds-judaism-to-list-of-state-recognized-religions/
Lol need an extra days
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: Something Fishy on March 21, 2021, 12:34:07 AM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/big-tech-helps-set-standards-for-covid-19-vaccine-verification-11616151614?st=b5sszkw8y4o79mv&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: Something Fishy on March 22, 2021, 04:52:32 PM
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: ExGingi on March 25, 2021, 07:25:38 PM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-25/covid-vaccine-passports-2021-the-golden-ticket-for-international-travel
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: AsherO on April 06, 2021, 12:33:04 PM
Haven't see DDF discussion before of NYS's version of a vaccine passport:

https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-cuomo-announces-launch-excelsior-pass-help-fast-track-reopening-businesses-and

Cute how the SEO-optimized permalink ends mid-sentence :P
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: yungermanchik on April 06, 2021, 12:49:26 PM
Sounds like a cool idea
(https://i.postimg.cc/3JJpk6fH/ny-pass-sample.png)
but
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Theaters, Major Stadiums and Arenas,
are not applicable to me and
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Weddings Receptions, Catered Events & Other Events
, I was able to attend without one.

When Shoprite, Target etc. will let me in with it, without a mask, I'll sign up.
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: Jellybelly on April 06, 2021, 02:13:28 PM
Biden’s press secretary just said there won’t be a Federal vaccine passport
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: Kobe Bryant on April 06, 2021, 02:49:45 PM
Press Sec. Jen Psaki on federal government supporting vaccine passports: "The government is not now, nor will we be supporting a system that requires Americans to carry a credential. There will be no federal vaccinations database."

Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: AsherO on April 06, 2021, 03:20:14 PM
Biden’s press secretary just said there won’t be a Federal vaccine passport
Press Sec. Jen Psaki on federal government supporting vaccine passports: "The government is not now, nor will we be supporting a system that requires Americans to carry a credential. There will be no federal vaccinations database."



I can see why they don't want to require people to carry this, but offering a vaccine passport and allowing places to only grant access to those who are vaccinated will raise the incentive to vaccinate for people who are on the fence.
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: aygart on April 06, 2021, 03:26:40 PM
Biden’s press secretary just said there won’t be a Federal vaccine passport
Press Sec. Jen Psaki on federal government supporting vaccine passports: "The government is not now, nor will we be supporting a system that requires Americans to carry a credential. There will be no federal vaccinations database."


Keyword "Federal"
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: Jellybelly on April 06, 2021, 03:46:57 PM
Keyword "Federal"
Right, but it a BIG key word
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: aygart on April 06, 2021, 04:07:43 PM
Right, but it a BIG key word

Yes, but a very good one. Who wants a federal database like this to be able to go into  stores?
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: AsherO on April 06, 2021, 04:09:41 PM
Yes, but a very good one. Who wants a federal database like this to be able to go into  stores?

If it turns out that 30% of adults won’t vaccinate, this could really move the needle.
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: ExGingi on April 07, 2021, 07:50:10 PM
NY has its own version

https://epass.ny.gov/identity
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: AsherO on April 07, 2021, 08:15:02 PM
NY has its own version

https://epass.ny.gov/identity

I posted about this upthread:

Haven't see DDF discussion before of NYS's version of a vaccine passport:

https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-cuomo-announces-launch-excelsior-pass-help-fast-track-reopening-businesses-and

Cute how the SEO-optimized permalink ends mid-sentence :P
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: db23 on April 08, 2021, 12:37:38 PM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/big-tech-helps-set-standards-for-covid-19-vaccine-verification-11616151614?st=b5sszkw8y4o79mv&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

this doesnt scare anyone?

Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: db23 on April 08, 2021, 12:42:48 PM

yea this is totally normal!!

question - whats to stop them from going much further then just simply showing if you have been vaccinated? if they get us so easily to go along with this then how about in the qr code it starts having other info like medical records..so when they want you in the fall to get the flu shot theyll just add that in that you must get the flu shot and itll be included under this digital ID. are you going to be ok with that? 
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: db23 on April 08, 2021, 12:45:14 PM
Sounds like a cool idea
(https://i.postimg.cc/3JJpk6fH/ny-pass-sample.png)
but  are not applicable to me and, I was able to attend without one.

When Shoprite, Target etc. will let me in with it, without a mask, I'll sign up.
masks might never go away!
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: db23 on April 08, 2021, 12:46:50 PM
Press Sec. Jen Psaki on federal government supporting vaccine passports: "The government is not now, nor will we be supporting a system that requires Americans to carry a credential. There will be no federal vaccinations database."

of course theyll say that. but they'll "recommend" it and then have private business do there dirty work for them.
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: db23 on April 08, 2021, 12:52:10 PM
" allowing places to only grant access to those who are vaccinated will raise the incentive to vaccinate for people who are on the fence."

weve gone from 15 days to slow the spread to show me your vaccine passport to enter a store????? only took them a year.

you really cant feel safe walking into a store or flying on an airplane with someone who hasn't taken the vaccine?

i thought the government and the experts all told us that once you take the vaccine your safe, you cant transmit or get the virus. if that's true then what are people so worried about? if its not true then whats the point of having vaccine passports?
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: AsherO on April 08, 2021, 12:57:56 PM
this doesnt scare anyone?

Big tech is just a cover for Big Brother...
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: AsherO on April 08, 2021, 01:03:10 PM
weve gone from 15 days to slow the spread to show me your vaccine passport to enter a store????? only took them a year.

you really cant feel safe walking into a store or flying on an airplane with someone who hasn't taken the vaccine?

i thought the government and the experts all told us that once you take the vaccine your safe, you cant transmit or get the virus. if that's true then what are people so worried about? if its not true then whats the point of having vaccine passports?

None of what you're saying makes sense or is relevant to what I wrote. What I said was that a vaccine passport that grants people access can incentivise people who are on the fence to vaccinate.

A year ago there was less knowledge about COVID spread, less treatment options, no vaccine, and (in February/early March) less spread. Restrictions still slow the spread, though you can't prove it because they prevent spread that doesn't happen because you have the restrictions in place.

This isn't about fear for my safety, it's about reaching real herd immunity and ending the pandemic and related economic and social burdens and costs.

Vaccines aren't 100% effective, but as vaccination increases, there's less societal risk for infection.

That answers all your irrelevant questions, but I doubt you're looking for answers or that anything I might say could change your mind.
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: Dan on April 08, 2021, 01:04:11 PM
i thought the government and the experts all told us that once you take the vaccine your safe, you cant transmit or get the virus.
Fake news. They said it's 75-95% depending on which vaccine.
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: AsherO on April 08, 2021, 03:09:16 PM
Fake news. They said it's 75-95% depending on which vaccine.

75-95% effective against whatever endpoints were in the clinical trials, mild symptomatic disease for mRNA, I believe moderate or severe for J&J.

There isn't enough data to know how effective the vaccine is against asymptomatic infection, and how infectious/contagious fully vaccinated asymptomatic COVID patients are. And the government and expects never said or implied otherwise.
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: Ergel on April 08, 2021, 03:17:34 PM
masks might never go away!
Come to Israel. They are gone
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: db23 on April 08, 2021, 03:33:35 PM
Come to Israel. They are gone
yea heard that as well people in charaidi neighborhoods can finally breath fresh air outdoors with out masks and the worries of getting hit with a fine or worse.
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: db23 on April 08, 2021, 03:37:27 PM
Fake news. They said it's 75-95% depending on which vaccine.

so is this all about masks? meaning were worried thaT unvaxed people will be allowed to consort with vaxed people and they will spread? bec if what your saying is correct even if you have been fully vaccinated you still may be able to pass it on?

and why in America is there virtually zero talk of the recovered being ok to get a passport? whats wrong with natural immunity? even in isreal they acknowledge this, why not here? 
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: db23 on April 08, 2021, 03:46:20 PM
None of what you're saying makes sense or is relevant to what I wrote. What I said was that a vaccine passport that grants people access can incentivise people who are on the fence to vaccinate.

A year ago there was less knowledge about COVID spread, less treatment options, no vaccine, and (in February/early March) less spread. Restrictions still slow the spread, though you can't prove it because they prevent spread that doesn't happen because you have the restrictions in place.

This isn't about fear for my safety, it's about reaching real herd immunity and ending the pandemic and related economic and social burdens and costs.

Vaccines aren't 100% effective, but as vaccination increases, there's less societal risk for infection.

That answers all your irrelevant questions, but I doubt you're looking for answers or that anything I might say could change your mind.

i disagree with my questions being not valid.

in america we have people who were immune with T-CELL cross reaction immunity, recovered with antibodies and now vaccinated-i would argue were well off on our way to reach heard immunity.
but more so why do you think we need an incentive of vaccine passports for people on the fence? if people are hesitant then they have there reasons. for the moment this still a free country.

no one should be forced or coerced to inject anything into there body its just wrong!

i dont get how you dont see there just trying to control us?  bec thats what this is. there saying you cant to X without showing an ID verifying you injected a drug into your body, how does that sound normal ?

whether the vax is safe or not i believe is a totally separate issue from having a vaccine passport.
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: Traveler718 on April 08, 2021, 06:12:22 PM
Haven't see DDF discussion before of NYS's version of a vaccine passport:

https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-cuomo-announces-launch-excelsior-pass-help-fast-track-reopening-businesses-and


Washington Post's tech consultant generated a fake Excelsior Pass in 11 minutes. It asks for some basic biographical info that he found about the person using public records. It then asks questions about when and where you got vaccinated and which vaccine, which he was able to copy from the person's CDC card that was posted on social media. It also works on the honor system that you won't then go and install your legit pass on someone else's phone.
This should keep us all safe! And you wonder why Israel doesn't trust anyone else's "records."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/04/08/vaccine-passport-new-york-excelsior-pass/   (open in incognito to bypass paywall)
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: db23 on April 09, 2021, 10:28:22 AM
Washington Post's tech consultant generated a fake Excelsior Pass in 11 minutes. It asks for some basic biographical info that he found about the person using public records. It then asks questions about when and where you got vaccinated and which vaccine, which he was able to copy from the person's CDC card that was posted on social media. It also works on the honor system that you won't then go and install your legit pass on someone else's phone.
This should keep us all safe! And you wonder why Israel doesn't trust anyone else's "records."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/04/08/vaccine-passport-new-york-excelsior-pass/   (open in incognito to bypass paywall)
just curious why your equating false passports to us "not being safe"? you really think that if there are certain people not getting vaxed -that they are somehow a danger to you? even fully vaxed can catch and spread. nothing is absolute. take the va, don't take the vax, i wouldn't be so quick to label people as a danger if they wish not to-that's going down a very slippery slope.

these passports in general are a very bad idea.
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: AsherO on April 09, 2021, 11:35:59 AM
just curious why your equating false passports to us "not being safe"? you really think that if there are certain people not getting vaxed -that they are somehow a danger to you? even fully vaxed can catch and spread. nothing is absolute. take the va, don't take the vax, i wouldn't be so quick to label people as a danger if they wish not to-that's going down a very slippery slope.

these passports in general are a very bad idea.

He actually mentioned safety sarcastically. Keep on droning, nobody’s listening anyway.
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: S209 on April 09, 2021, 02:25:39 PM
just curious why your equating false passports to us "not being safe"? you really think that if there are certain people not getting vaxed -that they are somehow a danger to you? even fully vaxed can catch and spread. nothing is absolute. take the va, don't take the vax, i wouldn't be so quick to label people as a danger if they wish not to-that's going down a very slippery slope.

these passports in general are a very bad idea.
Although it’s increasingly harder to comprehend what exactly you’re trying to articulate, you do realize that your argument of “even fully vaccinated people can catch” is an answer to “how is he a danger”, right?

I’m starting to thing the solution to anti-vaxxers is just math.
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: aygart on April 09, 2021, 04:38:12 PM
Although it’s increasingly harder to comprehend what exactly you’re trying to articulate, you do realize that your argument of “even fully vaccinated people can catch” is an answer to “how is he a danger”, right?

I’m starting to thing the solution to anti-vaxxers is just math.
Lol
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: iwlw2 on April 11, 2021, 11:57:36 AM

in america we have people who were immune with T-CELL cross reaction immunity, recovered with antibodies and now vaccinated-i would argue were well off on our way to reach heard immunity.

Or at least so you've "heard".... :P

I herd there are some experts in Israel who think they already reached heard immunity, of course that's mainly due to their vaccines. We live in truly amazing times....
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: Something Fishy on April 11, 2021, 12:47:33 PM
This whole thing is such a joke.

https://nypost.com/2021/04/09/fake-covid-vaccination-cards-running-rampant-online/
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: AsherO on April 11, 2021, 02:53:02 PM
This whole thing is such a joke.

https://nypost.com/2021/04/09/fake-covid-vaccination-cards-running-rampant-online/

If this was a Federal database where those administering the vaccines reported vaccinate dates, names, and DoBs, and whatever vaccine card they issued had a QR to verify against this data source, it would be much harder to falsify and leave a trail if someone submitted false vaccination data.
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: PlatinumGuy on April 11, 2021, 03:49:16 PM
If this was a Federal database where those administering the vaccines reported vaccinate dates, names, and DoBs, and whatever vaccine card they issued had a QR to verify against this data source, it would be much harder to falsify and leave a trail if someone submitted false vaccination data.
Remember the guy in charge of the country at the time the vaccines were rolled out kept his own vaccination a secret... a national database was the last thing they wanted.
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: AsherO on April 11, 2021, 03:57:27 PM
Remember the guy in charge of the country at the time the vaccines were rolled out kept his own vaccination a secret... a national database was the last thing they wanted.

It's not like the current administration is any better in this regard, their policy here is similar.
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: PlatinumGuy on April 11, 2021, 05:26:03 PM
It's not like the current administration is any better in this regard, their policy here is similar.
The train was out of the station by then. You had 20 million people vaccinated without trace already. (Confirmatory antibody testing is a huge burden that would’ve unleashed even more resentment) There is nothing in this administration that suggests they wouldn’t have supported a high quality vaccine, but the mindset of the previous administration was very clear.

It’s surprising the stakeholders like the airlines and cruise companies haven’t don’t more to solve this. Clear seems to be the only player attempting to create a viable solution.
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: aygart on April 11, 2021, 05:36:04 PM
but the mindset of the previous administration was very clear.

Which mindset would making quick vaccine availability the central (only?) aspect of COVID policy be?
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: PlatinumGuy on April 11, 2021, 05:39:19 PM
Which mindset would making quick vaccine availability the central (only?) aspect of COVID policy be?
The one of the administration that used Federal resources to vaccinate Americans more than the one that dumped it on the States and rinsed their hands off it.

The vaccine was developed in March 2020. The US government employs 3,000,000 people and spent a few trillion dollars last year. They weren't too busy to figure out a single value database. Give me a break
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: aygart on April 11, 2021, 05:46:58 PM
The one of the administration that used Federal resources to vaccinate Americans more than the one that dumped it on the States and rinsed their hands off it.

The vaccine was developed in March 2020. The US government employs 3,000,000 people and spent a few trillion dollars last year. They weren't too busy to figure out a single value database. Give me a break
None of this has anything to do with my question. (besides the ridiculousness of the second part-ignoring how EVERYONE was saying at the time that having one by the time it happened was unrealistic) Whether they did a good job or not has nothing at all to do with what I wrote.
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: AsherO on April 11, 2021, 05:47:35 PM
Which mindset would making quick vaccine availability the central (only?) aspect of COVID policy be?


An administration that shoots the arrow and then draws the target around it. They first see what’s a safe objective to target then announce it as an accomplishment.

Don’t get me wrong I do think the Biden administration did a great job keeping the pace going and setting up federal vaccination sites, but they were lucky to have the ducks lined up for them.
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: PlatinumGuy on April 11, 2021, 05:48:42 PM
None of this has anything to do with my question. (besides the ridiculousness of the second part-ignoring how EVERYONE was saying at the time that having one by the time it happened was unrealistic) Whether they did a good job or not has nothing at all to do with what I wrote.
Sorry but I don't understand what you're saying and how it's relevant to this thread.
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: aygart on April 11, 2021, 05:51:48 PM
Sorry but I don't understand what you're saying and how it's relevant to this thread.
Vaccine development was literally the only item the Trump admin did to fight covid once border restrictions failed. Maybe it worked well maybe it didn't, but that makes their opinion about the usefulness of vaccines pretty clear.
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: PlatinumGuy on April 11, 2021, 05:58:24 PM
Vaccine development was literally the only item the Trump admin did to fight covid once border restrictions failed. Maybe it worked well maybe it didn't, but that makes their opinion about the usefulness of vaccines pretty clear.
But I didn't say they thought vaccines were useless. I said they thought vaccine passports are useless - that's what this thread is about.

Somebody who wouldn't reveal he himself got vaccinated clearly thought there is pride in not getting vaccinated (at least for people at lower risk) and would be wholly uninterested in policies that would practically all but require people to get vaccinated.
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: Something Fishy on April 11, 2021, 11:21:35 PM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/suzannerowankelleher/2021/04/11/why-vaccine-passports-would-be-more-popular-if-we-just-called-them-something-else/
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: db23 on April 12, 2021, 10:05:49 AM
He actually mentioned safety sarcastically. Keep on droning, nobody’s listening anyway.

"This should keep us all safe! And you wonder why Israel doesn't trust anyone else's "records."
-your saying he wasnt implying making fake passports is a safety issue?
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: db23 on April 12, 2021, 10:08:36 AM
Although it’s increasingly harder to comprehend what exactly you’re trying to articulate, you do realize that your argument of “even fully vaccinated people can catch” is an answer to “how is he a danger”, right?

I’m starting to thing the solution to anti-vaxxers is just math.
point is if a vaccinated person can still catch and spread covid then a passport aint going to accomplish much.
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: db23 on April 12, 2021, 10:22:43 AM
Or at least so you've "heard".... :P

I herd there are some experts in Israel who think they already reached heard immunity, of course that's mainly due to their vaccines. We live in truly amazing times....

well right were basing what wear saying of things we heard and saw, from experts and studies and tv/videos. no one really knows anything for sure. but every time someone is even asking questions on this covid vaccine they are labeled an anti vaxer. you should know btw that there many many people who have legitimate questions to ask on this vaccine who themselves have always vaccinated and they also vaccinated there kids as well.

i find it amazing that if you speak up and ask questions on this vaccine the hate mob comes out.

the truth is we just dont know, so there are many who are just simply saying lets wait just wait. lets bring down the volume on everyone getting vaccines and getting a vaccine passport and maybe drive up the volume on medicine thats already out there. there is preventative medicine , there are vitamins to help keep your immune system up. there are very good treatments for covid if you get it.

i looked at vaers last night, they have an excel spread sheet with people reporting adverse effects thats a mile long, some accounts are pretty nuts.

how about someone in the Jewish community arrange an open discussion, and you can have both sides pf the aisle and even people in the middle of this issue.
but i dont think thatll happen.

if you like this vax then your great but if you have questions or simply dont believe you need it then you are vilified and suppressed and labeled an anti vaxer and even cold a quack.

on vaccine passports-its just wrong to have a business to say you cant come in unless you take a needle and inject yourself first with an experimental unapproved drug.
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: yelped on April 12, 2021, 10:24:32 AM
Lol. You like spewing nonsense?
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: AsherO on April 12, 2021, 11:25:13 AM
point is if a vaccinated person can still catch and spread covid then a passport aint going to accomplish much.

What about if a vaccinated person's likelihood of spreading COVID is 5% compared to an unvaccinated person?
Title: Re: Vaccine passport here we come
Post by: S209 on April 12, 2021, 12:32:26 PM
What about if a vaccinated person's likelihood of spreading COVID is 5% compared to an unvaccinated person?
But what are the odds of that? You’re just going to believe some scientists?

/s