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Title: Predictions For What The Ds Will Do In Full Control Of DC?
Post by: Dan on January 08, 2021, 02:40:28 PM
New Iran deal
Higher corp taxes
Higher upper tier individual taxes
Uncap state tax/property deductions
Gun legislation
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Post by: Yo ssi on January 08, 2021, 02:56:02 PM
Something about a court? :P
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Post by: username on January 08, 2021, 03:00:03 PM
Green Deal
Paris Accords
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 08, 2021, 03:11:57 PM
Can they unite on a healthcare plan?
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Post by: joe1234 on January 08, 2021, 04:05:48 PM
Can they unite on a healthcare plan?
Whatís wrong with Obamacare?  :P
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Post by: jj1000 on January 08, 2021, 04:51:35 PM
Increase child tax credit.
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Post by: as2 on January 09, 2021, 08:41:40 PM
Boost stim checks/dish out a few more.
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Post by: mordechain on January 09, 2021, 08:49:15 PM
Some of these things actually sound very good to me.
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 09, 2021, 08:49:53 PM
My guess is the Dems will focus on a massive $5T spending bill that will cover everything from dramatic covid handouts, covid testing/vaccine, green energy, big cities, then compile a radical healthcare for all plan and put it on the ballot in 2022. 70% of the country support Medicare for all. Vast majority also support moderate liberal positions like gay rights & abortion, the only way the Republicans win is on the economy/taxes, so healthcare can counter that.


Personally, I hope some of the money reap long term benefits, like promoting R&D for new medical tech. The most important thing for American prosperity is
ensuring the next Facebook, Tesla, Netflix and etc are founded in the US and a larger portion of global spending ends up in American pockets. I still hope money and attention thrown at mRNA & other new tech will make 2020 a turning point like the discovery of antibiotics.

Whatís wrong with Obamacare?  :P
Trump didnít follow through on his promise to repeal it?
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Post by: YitzyS on January 09, 2021, 08:54:03 PM
They'll send me my kid's money
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Post by: zale on January 09, 2021, 10:02:10 PM
New Iran deal
Higher corp taxes
Higher upper tier individual taxes
Uncap state tax/property deductions
Gun legislation

New Iran deal - Maybe, but doubt it's high on the list of priorities. Remember that Schumer was against the Iran deal.
Higher corp taxes - Almost certainly. They have to pay for free handouts somehow.
Higher upper tier individual taxes - This too. They hate wealth, unless it's their own.
Uncap state tax/property deductions - Don't know enough about this.
Gun legislation - They will try, as Obama did. No way the Supreme Court approves it, unless they pack the court.

At the end of the day, both parties promise big things if they win, and fail to deliver on most of them. Republicans controlled all chambers in 2016 and did basically nothing. The Democrats are much more vindictive and dangerous now, so who knows.
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 09, 2021, 10:40:07 PM
Letís not forget Mitch McConnell is professional filibuster.
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Post by: Lamppost on January 09, 2021, 10:41:52 PM
Think Biden will eliminate the 1031 exchange like he said he would do?
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 09, 2021, 10:45:20 PM
Think Biden will eliminate the 1031 exchange like he said he would do?
Very doubtful. The politicians use these things for themselves
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Post by: Lamppost on January 09, 2021, 10:45:47 PM
Very doubtful. The politicians use these things for themselves
Right was thinking the same
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Post by: neveryou on January 09, 2021, 10:50:40 PM
Amnesty to illegals
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Post by: mordechain on January 09, 2021, 11:30:27 PM
Amnesty to illegals
But then they would be legal.....
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 09, 2021, 11:51:59 PM
But then they would be legal.....
And vote D. Very possible
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Post by: Afrages6 on January 10, 2021, 07:45:23 AM
People donít realize that joe manchin is a moderate who wonít go along with healthcare for all or any of the other radical things being proposed.
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Post by: YitzyS on January 10, 2021, 08:27:47 AM
People donít realize that joe manchin is a moderate who wonít go along with healthcare for all or any of the other radical things being proposed.
Until they threaten to primary him, or whatever else the Dems are capable of (like maybe deleting his Twitter account, and if he doesn't have one, maybe just ripping out his voice box?)
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Post by: zh cohen on January 10, 2021, 08:49:24 AM
Until they threaten to primary him, or whatever else the Dems are capable of (like maybe deleting his Twitter account, and if he doesn't have one, maybe just ripping out his voice box?)

Or they can just threaten to expell him from the Senate now that they are doing that over political disagreements.
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Post by: yos9694 on January 10, 2021, 10:33:33 AM
The list of most likely is spending. Another stimulus bill, healthcare bill, environmental bills... trillions in spending in the near-term is nearly guranteed.

Less likely is to tax the rich. First of all, the tax revenue from the rich is somehwat elastic- if the cost of paying taxes goes up that gives them an incentive to spend money on sheltering their income from taxes. Second, when we say rich we actually mean wealthy, and there is no good way to tax accumulated wealth. That means that any tax increase plan has to also include the top half of the middle class (executive white collar) in order to raise significant revenue.

Giving back what's been taken away hardly ever happens. Dont count on getting back SALT deduction. That benefits the middle class and neither party is known for doing that.

It will be up to some of the Dem Representatives to come up with a M4A plan and try to push it through but I have my doubts that the medical insurance industry will be overcome even with full Dem control
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Post by: zh cohen on January 10, 2021, 10:40:37 AM


Less likely is to tax the rich. First of all, the tax revenue from the rich is somehwat elastic- if the cost of paying taxes goes up that gives them an incentive to spend money on sheltering their income from taxes.

Raising taxes on the rich isn't about bringing in more money, it's about class envy and political posturing
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Post by: AsherO on January 10, 2021, 10:50:33 AM
Raising taxes on the rich isn't about bringing in more money, it's about class envy and political posturing

And it doesnít fix the inequality issue, it just stokes the flames and perpetuates the issues.
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Post by: gozalim on January 10, 2021, 11:08:32 AM
And it doesnít fix the inequality issue, it just stokes the flames and perpetuates the issues.
score!
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 10, 2021, 12:17:11 PM
Raising taxes on the rich isn't about bringing in more money, it's about class envy and political posturing
I agree, I think they will raise taxes in a way that has more political than practical impact. The US government doesnít need more tax revenue now when there is no inflation or interest on loans. Perhaps that will change before 2024
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Post by: neveryou on January 10, 2021, 01:14:40 PM
Can't wait for electricity and gas bills to go up

Green new deal
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 10, 2021, 02:37:18 PM
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Post by: Shaya E on January 10, 2021, 03:05:58 PM
And it doesnít fix the inequality issue, it just stokes the flames and perpetuates the issues.
How exactly does it do that?
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 10, 2021, 03:06:57 PM
Colin Powell just said on CNN, ďI no longer consider myself a Republican.Ē
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Post by: Shaya E on January 10, 2021, 03:09:12 PM
Raising taxes on the rich isn't about bringing in more money, it's about class envy and political posturing

Hmm. On the one hand people complain about the spending, but when people propose actually raising money from the people who could most afford it, the knee-jerk reaction is that they have ulterior motives. I get being against taxes and handouts, but to imply that the taxes are to pay for anything but said handouts is stupid.
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Post by: Shaya E on January 10, 2021, 03:10:49 PM
I agree, I think they will raise taxes in a way that has more political than practical impact. The US government doesnít need more tax revenue now when there is no inflation or interest on loans. Perhaps that will change before 2024

Have you received a stimulus check? Someone has to pay for that.
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Post by: zh cohen on January 10, 2021, 03:20:25 PM
Colin Powell just said on CNN, ďI no longer consider myself a Republican.Ē

Really?! I'm shocked that the guy who endorsed every Democrat presidential candidate in the past 20 years doesn't consider himself a Republican.
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 10, 2021, 03:21:53 PM
Have you received a stimulus check? Someone has to pay for that.
Printers. Developing economies are paying for it with a fall in their currency values as global capital flees to the dollar enough to allows us to have zero inflation despite unprecedented burrowing and printing.

No reason to pay the bill today if we can push it off 10 years without interest
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Post by: zh cohen on January 10, 2021, 03:22:02 PM
Hmm. On the one hand people complain about the spending, but when people propose actually raising money from the people who could most afford it, the knee-jerk reaction is that they have ulterior motives. I get being against taxes and handouts, but to imply that the taxes are to pay for anything but said handouts is stupid.

The point is that it won't raise money because the people who can "most afford it" can also most afford to avoid the taxes (or move).
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Post by: Shaya E on January 10, 2021, 03:26:55 PM
Printers. Developing economies are paying for it with a fall in their currency values as global capital flees to the dollar enough to allows us to have zero inflation despite unprecedented burrowing and printing.

No reason to pay the bill today if we can push it off 10 years without interest
So to clarify, if you would be in control, you would send thousands of dollars to every American all the time (COVID or no COVID). Or does even modern monetary theory have its limits. If it does, how are you sure we didn't already hit it. We can't have seen the affects of all the money printed over the last year. These things could take time to affect inflation.
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Post by: Shaya E on January 10, 2021, 03:29:59 PM
The point is that it won't raise money because the people who can "most afford it" can also most afford to avoid the taxes (or move).

The wealthy are doing their best to avoid it regardless of how much you're taxing them. Some succeed more, some less and some not at all. We'll take what we can get. Again, it isn't a punishment, something as to fund the handouts.
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 10, 2021, 03:51:50 PM
So to clarify, if you would be in control, you would send thousands of dollars to every American all the time (COVID or no COVID). Or does even modern monetary theory have its limits. If it does, how are you sure we didn't already hit it. We can't have seen the affects of all the money printed over the last year. These things could take time to affect inflation.
Iím against sending people money now. Iím for stimulating the economy with deficit spending until we start seeing inflation rise, at which point we can counter it by instituting interest rates.
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Post by: Shaya E on January 10, 2021, 04:15:58 PM
Iím against sending people money now. Iím for stimulating the economy with deficit spending until we start seeing inflation rise, at which point we can counter it by instituting interest rates.

Deficit spending and spending people money aren't mutually exclusive. All deficit spending means is that the money for the handout comes from borrowing instead of taxation. You're arguing to borrow instead of taxing. That's a valid argument, especially in today's world with practically no interest rates. But taxing on some level exists, now and always, as does borrowing (at least since 2000). With added expenses we need more income, to argue that the wealthy should foot some of that bill (and borrow the rest) doesn't have to for ulterior motives.

I would love to discuss financial theory with you but that wasn't the point of my original post.
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Post by: Shaya E on January 10, 2021, 04:18:58 PM
As for deficit spending as a whole, it has its place. Which is why its always been used to control inflation, but it does lock up our ability to borrow in the future. The higher the debt, the harder it will be to borrow. So even putting interest aside (rates won't always remain so low) you have to watch the debt.
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Post by: Shaya E on January 10, 2021, 04:24:06 PM
The interest on debt for this year was roughly $380 billion dollars. I believe (gotta do some research) that was roughly 10% of the budget. If that goes to much higher we won't be able to get a loan without astronomical interest rates. I could see a future where the US is downgraded to a lower credit worthiness rating and only then do people realize we might be in trouble.
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Post by: zagguru on January 10, 2021, 04:24:21 PM
Student Loan Forgiveness?
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Post by: Shaya E on January 10, 2021, 04:25:40 PM
I don't think so. But probably something to stop future students from accumulating so much debt.
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Post by: zh cohen on January 10, 2021, 06:06:18 PM
But probably something to stop future students from accumulating so much debt.

Only if it doesn't come at the expense of college budgets.
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 10, 2021, 06:11:34 PM
Deficit spending and spending people money aren't mutually exclusive. All deficit spending means is that the money for the handout comes from borrowing instead of taxation. You're arguing to borrow instead of taxing. That's a valid argument, especially in today's world with practically no interest rates. But taxing on some level exists, now and always, as does borrowing (at least since 2000). With added expenses we need more income, to argue that the wealthy should foot some of that bill (and borrow the rest) doesn't have to for ulterior motives.

I would love to discuss financial theory with you but that wasn't the point of my original post.
I oppose handouts, I was just saying the handouts now donít necessarily need to come from higher taxes now.
As for deficit spending as a whole, it has its place. Which is why its always been used to control inflation, but it does lock up our ability to borrow in the future. The higher the debt, the harder it will be to borrow. So even putting interest aside (rates won't always remain so low) you have to watch the debt.
If we use the money wisely, instead of handing it to people, we can ensure the US prospers and our credit rating remains the gold standard. Also worth noting how much of the debt is being bought by the Fed, which is right pocket owing the left pocket.

Deflation would be a much larger threat to US credit rating than a larger debt burden.
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Post by: Shaya E on January 10, 2021, 06:11:40 PM
Only if it doesn't come at the expense of college budgets.
Do you mean that's what you think they will do, or that's what you think they should do?
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Post by: yos9694 on January 10, 2021, 06:11:44 PM
The wealthy are doing their best to avoid it regardless of how much you're taxing them. Some succeed more, some less and some not at all. We'll take what we can get. Again, it isn't a punishment, something as to fund the handouts.

Tax avoidance is costly and takes effort, which was my point about elasticity. The rich aren't trying as hard to avoid or defer taxes when rates are lower as they are (collectively) when rates are higher. That's why tax revenue prediction models show diminishing returns for rate increases at the highest brackets. Tax increases on the middle class work better.

Iím against sending people money now. Iím for stimulating the economy with deficit spending until we start seeing inflation rise, at which point we can counter it by instituting interest rates.

If you raise interest rates at that point it's guaranteed that the US will default its debts. Also, raising interest rates is a driver of inflation, not a countermeasure
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Post by: yos9694 on January 10, 2021, 06:16:16 PM
I oppose handouts, I was just saying the handouts now donít necessarily need to come from higher taxes now. If we use the money wisely, instead of handing it to people, we can ensure the US prospers and our credit rating remains the gold standard. Also worth noting how much of the debt is being bought by the Fed, which is right pocket owing the left pocket.

Deflation would be a much larger threat to US credit rating than a larger debt burden.
"Handouts" might be one of the smartest inventions in governmental economic policy. I fully support UBI with Fair Tax.
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 10, 2021, 06:19:19 PM
If you raise interest rates at that point it's guaranteed that the US will default its debts. Also, raising interest rates is a driver of inflation, not a countermeasure
Fed raising the interest rate affect future debt issuances, not current debt.

Raising interest rates slows economic activity & inflation. I donít know why you would think otherwise.
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Post by: Shaya E on January 10, 2021, 06:19:55 PM
Tax avoidance is costly and takes effort, which was my point about elasticity. The rich aren't trying as hard to avoid or defer taxes when rates are lower as they are (collectively) when rates are higher. That's why tax revenue prediction models show diminishing returns for rate increases at the highest brackets. Tax increases on the middle class work better.

Tax raises on the highest bracket certainly yields less than tax raises on the middle class due to tax avoidance. But tax raises on the highest bracket still raises total income.

If you raise interest rates at that point it's guaranteed that the US will default its debts. Also, raising interest rates is a driver of inflation, not a countermeasure

Raising interest rates decreases spending and lowers inflationary pressures.
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 10, 2021, 06:29:02 PM
Tax raises on the highest bracket certainly yields less than tax raises on the middle class due to tax avoidance. But tax raises on the highest bracket still raises total income.

Raising interest rates decreases spending and lowers inflationary pressures.
+1
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Post by: zh cohen on January 10, 2021, 06:57:27 PM
Do you mean that's what you think they will do, or that's what you think they should do?

The former
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 10, 2021, 07:57:49 PM
"Handouts" might be one of the smartest inventions in governmental economic policy. I fully support UBI with Fair Tax.
Do you consider universal basic income a Ďfreedomí? Is Bernie Sanders your favorite politician?
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Post by: Proisrael on January 11, 2021, 07:53:47 AM
Will all this spending will we see the inflation of the Jimmy Carter days again?
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Post by: Shaya E on January 11, 2021, 10:14:31 AM
Will all this spending will we see the inflation of the Jimmy Carter days again?

Possibly, but the fed still has a number of tools to control inflation, such as raising the interest rate.
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Post by: ExGingi on January 11, 2021, 11:24:42 AM
I have no idea what the Ds will manage to do.

I couldn't stand BHO, and I think the ACA (commonly known as Obamacare) is a terrible piece of legislation that didn't solve anything, yet I am a direct beneficiary of that bill, as it has contributed to the expansion of my business (how ironic that when I was raising questions during a local town-hall meeting held by the congresswoman from my district, the left-wingers from Park Slope were all over me when they found out that I'm a broker, yet I probably benefited from this law way more than any of them did). So, I can only hope that whatever they do won't be too damaging to the country, and whatever damage might be done, shouldn't last too long.

It's not that I think that everything they do or propose is bad, but with the level of political corruption, populism etc. we should be very wary of what might come. Thank G-d Trump was able to nominate 3 excellent justices, let's just hope that the Ds don't create some kind of judicial coup (like what was done in Israel in the early 90s (https://mida.org.il/2017/07/21/%D7%94%D7%9E%D7%97%D7%98%D7%A3-%D7%95%D7%94%D7%9E%D7%97%D7%93%D7%9C-%D7%90%D7%99%D7%9A-%D7%A2%D7%91%D7%A8%D7%95-%D7%97%D7%95%D7%A7%D7%99-%D7%94%D7%99%D7%A1%D7%95%D7%93-%D7%A9%D7%94%D7%95%D7%91%D7%99/))
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Post by: yos9694 on January 11, 2021, 11:53:58 AM
Do you consider universal basic income a Ďfreedomí? Is Bernie Sanders your favorite politician?

No I consider UBI smart policy that has universal benefits. A social safety net for every working age adult that supplements their income and also provides a fallback if they become unemployed. It would allow people to take risks and try to create economic value without the anxiety of meeting their current bills. UBI is not enough to live comfortably off but it's enough to keep a person alive and fed if they are willing to scale down and that is good for society and good for young innovators.

Combining it with Fair Tax is another win. The UBI would be enough to cover the cost plus the taxes of basic living supplies. They go together like bread and butter.

Asking if Bernie Sanders is my favorite politician is a cheap shot and not value added to any discussion
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 11, 2021, 12:45:27 PM
No I consider UBI smart policy that has universal benefits. A social safety net for every working age adult that supplements their income and also provides a fallback if they become unemployed. It would allow people to take risks and try to create economic value without the anxiety of meeting their current bills. UBI is not enough to live comfortably off but it's enough to keep a person alive and fed if they are willing to scale down and that is good for society and good for young innovators.

Combining it with Fair Tax is another win. The UBI would be enough to cover the cost plus the taxes of basic living supplies. They go together like bread and butter.

Asking if Bernie Sanders is my favorite politician is a cheap shot and not value added to any discussion
OK, but being that Bernie Sanders promotes your vision, you should be supporting him. The fact that you consider being called a Bernie Sanders supporter is a 'shot', suggests you don't really believe in his policies.
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Post by: skyguy918 on January 11, 2021, 01:11:21 PM
OK, but being that Bernie Sanders promotes your vision, you should be supporting him. The fact that you consider being called a Bernie Sanders supporter is a 'shot', suggests you don't really believe in his policies.
You're making this very black and white, and it's just not. Bernie has a different approach to it than someone like Yang for example - which if I had to guess is actually the politician @yos9694 supports.
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 11, 2021, 01:17:07 PM
You're making this very black and white, and it's just not. Bernie has a different approach to it than someone like Yang for example - which if I had to guess is actually the politician @yos9694 supports.
OK then I apologize. I don't know that much about either of them.
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Post by: yos9694 on January 11, 2021, 01:43:19 PM
You're making this very black and white, and it's just not. Bernie has a different approach to it than someone like Yang for example - which if I had to guess is actually the politician @yos9694 supports.

Much closer to Yang. I find it problematic though that in this country believing in individual issues necessitates blindly buying into every other idea that a political party or politician has
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Post by: yitzgar on January 11, 2021, 01:44:09 PM
Much closer to Yang. I find it problematic though that in this country believing in individual issues necessitates blindly buying into every other idea that a political party or politician has
This is the problem with political parties
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Post by: yelped on January 11, 2021, 02:20:31 PM
This is the problem with political parties
Exactly. Everything is politics when there are parties.
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Post by: Shaya E on January 11, 2021, 02:21:40 PM
Exactly. Everything is politics when there are parties.

So without parties politics isn't political?
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Post by: yelped on January 11, 2021, 02:22:09 PM
So without parties politics isn't political?
Not everything is politics.
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Post by: Shaya E on January 11, 2021, 02:22:32 PM
All kidding aside I do think there are problems with the two party system we should be trying to fix.
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Post by: yos9694 on January 11, 2021, 02:55:43 PM
All kidding aside I do think there are problems with the two party system we should be trying to fix.

In the near future the Democratic party will likely split into two, the more moderate Dems forming one party and the more radical ones forming another- with the voter base roughly split across age groups. This will happen as the Republican party becomes more of a Repugnant party and normal people can no longer associate themselves with it.
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Post by: Shaya E on January 11, 2021, 03:07:12 PM
In the near future the Democratic party will likely split into two, the more moderate Dems forming one party and the more radical ones forming another- with the voter base roughly split across age groups.
Possibly. Or the Republican party will split in two. The middle party will remain the same either way. Burt I don't think either 9f these would resolve many of the two party system's issues. One of those three will quickly become irrelevant and we'll be left with two parties.

The issue with a two party system is that the parties adapt to whatever roughly half of the country wants. That means that in order to vote on an issue that's important to me I have to vote for a party that also has other agenda items.
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 11, 2021, 03:08:00 PM
In the near future the Democratic party will likely split into two, the more moderate Dems forming one party and the more radical ones forming another- with the voter base roughly split across age groups. This will happen as the Republican party becomes more of a Repugnant party and normal people can no longer associate themselves with it.
The Republican Party becomes repugnant but the democrat party splits?
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Post by: ExGingi on January 11, 2021, 04:07:06 PM
Much closer to Yang. I find it problematic though that in this country believing in individual issues necessitates blindly buying into every other idea that a political party or politician has

It has nothing to do with this country. It is a global phenomenon which is a symptom of קטנות המוחין.
Title: Re: Predictions For What The Ds Will Do In Full Control Of DC?
Post by: Shaya E on January 11, 2021, 04:23:27 PM
It has nothing to do with this country. It is a global phenomenon which is a symptom of קטנות המוחין.
A system with more parties allows for more specialized parties. People would be able to vote for the party that most resembles what they want. Obviously, parties would have to work together but that's compromise not voting directly for policies I don't want.
Title: Re: Predictions For What The Ds Will Do In Full Control Of DC?
Post by: yos9694 on January 11, 2021, 06:16:54 PM
The Republican Party becomes repugnant but the democrat party splits?

That's one man's opinion is all and maybe more of a hope than a prediction. A moderate version of the Democrats becoming our new right wing is something I could live with. BTW, in most first world countries their right is already that or even further to the left.
Title: Re: Predictions For What The Ds Will Do In Full Control Of DC?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 11, 2021, 07:09:04 PM
That's one man's opinion is all and maybe more of a hope than a prediction. A moderate version of the Democrats becoming our new right wing is something I could live with. BTW, in most first world countries their right is already that or even further to the left.
I agree I just think it will be the Republican Party that splinters
Title: Re: Predictions For What The Ds Will Do In Full Control Of DC?
Post by: ExGingi on January 11, 2021, 08:32:17 PM
A system with more parties allows for more specialized parties. People would be able to vote for the party that most resembles what they want. Obviously, parties would have to work together but that's compromise not voting directly for policies I don't want.

Parties, by definition, are designed to abuse קטנות המוחין of the masses.
Title: Re: Predictions For What The Ds Will Do In Full Control Of DC?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 14, 2021, 06:42:34 PM
Title: Re: Predictions For What The Ds Will Do In Full Control Of DC?
Post by: yuneeq on January 17, 2021, 10:38:00 AM
Giving back what's been taken away hardly ever happens. Dont count on getting back SALT deduction. That benefits the middle class and neither party is known for doing that.

I already got back the equivalent to the SALT deduction (and more) in NJ using the BAIT program. Expect more high income tax states to follow suit this year.
Title: Re: Predictions For What The Ds Will Do In Full Control Of DC?
Post by: Jellybelly on March 15, 2021, 08:18:05 PM
Any predictions on how many more stimulus/stimulusses/ stimuli, We can expect from Biden?
Title: Re: Predictions For What The Ds Will Do In Full Control Of DC?
Post by: yesitsme on March 16, 2021, 12:49:47 AM
Any predictions on how many more stimulus/stimulusses/ stimuli, We can expect from Biden?
2k monthly

the rubble of the rubbel
Title: Re: Predictions For What The Ds Will Do In Full Control Of DC?
Post by: aygart on March 16, 2021, 09:39:06 AM
https://www.businessinsider.com/infrastructure-reconciliation-senior-democrat-hot-mic-bypassing-republicans-2021-3
Title: Re: Predictions For What The Ds Will Do In Full Control Of DC?
Post by: skyguy918 on March 16, 2021, 09:48:09 AM
I already got back the equivalent to the SALT deduction (and more) in NJ using the BAIT program. Expect more high income tax states to follow suit this year.
What about all us plain old salaried folks? Turbotax shows you where deductions get capped and that excess deduction just kills me, especially when seeing the black and white number like that.
Title: Re: Predictions For What The Ds Will Do In Full Control Of DC?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 16, 2021, 08:04:58 PM
Title: Re: Predictions For What The Ds Will Do In Full Control Of DC?
Post by: AsherO on March 16, 2021, 08:07:08 PM
Any predictions on how many more stimulus/stimulusses/ stimuli, We can expect from Biden?

Depends on COVID and the economy. Ds will use that to whatever extent possible to facilitate further ďwealth transferĒ.
Title: Re: Predictions For What The Ds Will Do In Full Control Of DC?
Post by: zh cohen on March 17, 2021, 01:07:54 AM

You're right, Harry Reid shouldn't have gotten rid of the filibuster for judges, and Chuck Schumer should not repeat Reid's mistake.
Title: Re: Predictions For What The Ds Will Do In Full Control Of DC?
Post by: S209 on March 17, 2021, 03:27:21 AM
You're right, Harry Reid shouldn't have gotten rid of the filibuster for judges, and Chuck Schumer should not repeat Reid's mistake.
Two wrongs donít equal a right. Even though Reid was wrong McConnell had the ability to not follow and instead try to reach across the aisle as has traditionally been done.

Remember, Ruth Bader Ginsburg herself was confirmed 96-3 not too long ago.
Title: Re: Predictions For What The Ds Will Do In Full Control Of DC?
Post by: Jellybelly on March 17, 2021, 02:52:39 PM
Two wrongs donít equal a right. Even though Reid was wrong McConnell had the ability to not follow and instead try to reach across the aisle as has traditionally been done.

Remember, Ruth Bader Ginsburg herself was confirmed 96-3 not too long ago.
What your saying, has been the Republican strategy for years and years, and thatís exactly why Trump won.
Title: Re: Predictions For What The Ds Will Do In Full Control Of DC?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 26, 2021, 10:01:00 AM
How the sausages are made:

Title: Re: Predictions For What The Ds Will Do In Full Control Of DC?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on April 08, 2021, 06:44:58 AM
https://news.gallup.com/poll/343976/quarterly-gap-party-affiliation-largest-2012.aspx