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Title: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Dan on March 12, 2021, 01:46:29 PM
Lots of studies are showing that people who had COVID only need 1 dose of a mRNA vaccine to have more antibodies than people who didn't have COVID get in 2 doses.

Israel is following that, but the CDC is still saying 2.

I had my Moderna shot on Wednesday, and have the achiness and fatigue described in the 2nd shot by people who didn't have COVID. No fever though, BH, and advil is working reasonably well.

Doctors I've spoken to think the CDC guidance will ultimately be updated to 1, but they move slowly. They agree that 1 is logical and that I don't need to rush to get another vaccine.

But OTOH, if countries only up only up to people who had 2 doses of mRNA vaccine, I'll be annoyed I didn't just get the 2nd dose. And then there's the issue of "but the 2nd dose doesn't count if it wasn't 4 weeks later."

Then again I also think we'll see mRNA boosters out later this year to tackle variants. So I'll eventually get at least a 2nd dose anyway.

What are other in this situation doing?
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Jellybelly on March 12, 2021, 01:52:18 PM
A friend just told me today, his father is elderly and had corona, he was in bed for A couple days from the first vaccine. So his doctor said not to take the 2nd one
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: AsherO on March 12, 2021, 01:59:18 PM
Lots of studies are showing that people who had COVID only need 1 dose of a mRNA vaccine to have more antibodies than people who didn't have COVID get in 2 doses.

Israel is following that, but the CDC is still saying 2.

I had my Moderna shot on Wednesday, and have the achiness and fatigue described in the 2nd shot by people who didn't have COVID. No fever though, BH, and advil is working reasonably well.

Doctors I've spoken to think the CDC guidance will ultimately be updated to 1, but they move slowly. They agree that 1 is logical and that I don't need to rush to get another vaccine.

But OTOH, if countries only up only up to people who had 2 doses of mRNA vaccine, I'll be annoyed I didn't just get the 2nd dose. And then there's the issue of "but the 2nd dose doesn't count if it wasn't 4 weeks later."

Then again I also think we'll see mRNA boosters out later this year to tackle variants. So I'll eventually get at least a 2nd dose anyway.

What are other in this situation doing?

Ask your doc and report back?

Out of curiosity, did you specifically choose Moderna, or that's just what was available to you?

A friend just told me today, his father is elderly and had corona, he was in bed for A couple days from the first vaccine. So his doctor said not to take the 2nd one

Isn't this within the expected range?
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Dan on March 12, 2021, 02:01:59 PM
Ask your doc and report back?

Out of curiosity, did you specifically choose Moderna, or that's just what was available to you?

Isn't this within the expected range?
I don't have a PCP, but I asked several docs and most said they don't see harm in waiting for updated guidance.

No option to choose.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: yoshyosh on March 12, 2021, 02:34:29 PM
The benefit would be if people who had covid and don't have antibodies for varients won't necessarily have protection against them, even with one shot as it will introduce to the body but won't have a strong response to the full range (ie just covid and the shot, vs the tested 2 shots). If you did not have a strong reaction to the shot not much reason not to get the second shot.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: yelped on March 12, 2021, 02:36:16 PM
They shouldn't be *giving* 2 doses to people with antibodies, but if that is what they are doing I would *take* 2 so as not to have issues with the idiots in bureaucractic suits.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Dan on March 12, 2021, 02:45:23 PM
They shouldn't be *giving* 2 doses to people with antibodies, but if that is what they are doing I would *take* 2 so as not to have issues with the idiots in bureaucractic suits.
Right :(

But then again, here is the only record of my shot...wonder what it's worth on ebay  ::)
How will countries seriously recognize this?

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Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: yelped on March 12, 2021, 02:52:45 PM
Right :(

But then again, here is the only record of my shot...wonder what it's worth on ebay  ::)
How will countries seriously recognize this?

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I'm guessing they won't. They will only allow in Americans once most of the country is vaccinated.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: S209 on March 12, 2021, 03:47:32 PM
Right :(

But then again, here is the only record of my shot...wonder what it's worth on ebay  ::)
How will countries seriously recognize this?

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At CHEMED they told me there is a state database with all vaccinated patients, and they can issue a card whenever it would become necessary. This card is just to show the vaccination place for the second dose which batch you received.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Dan on March 14, 2021, 12:28:04 AM
@biobook Curious to hear your thoughts.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: TzviR on March 14, 2021, 12:41:03 AM
Right :(

But then again, here is the only record of my shot...wonder what it's worth on ebay  ::)
How will countries seriously recognize this?

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I'm interested in purchasing.  Sent PM  :P
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: S209 on March 14, 2021, 12:49:44 AM
I'm interested in purchasing.  Sent PM  :P
But mine is 2 doses and says your name.. also, I answer PMs. ;)
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: biobook on March 14, 2021, 09:37:47 PM
@biobook Curious to hear your thoughts.
What I think is that you've given a good summary of the problem, and I can see arguing for either side.  I don't have the medical expertise to give advice myself. 

The poll response here is 50-50 for skipping or taking the second dose based on 4 responses.  The New England Journal of Medicine had an opinion piece Delayed Second Dose versus Standard Regimen for Covid-19 Vaccination with a poll for their readers who are mostly in the medical field.  The poll there was also close to 50-50, based allegedly on over 10,000 responses.  https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMclde2101987  So there's widespread uncertainty about whether one dose is a good idea.

The idea that covid recoverees may need only one dose is supported by the Mt Sinai group's finding that the side effects and antibody responses were so high in this group when given the first dose, and Dr Krammer's comment that one dose should be sufficient.  User-friendly description of the research, together with the argument for two doses:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/01/health/have-you-had-covid-19-coronavirus.html
https://nyulangone.org/news/patients-recovered-covid-19-may-require-just-one-dose-mrna-vaccine

If it were me, I would probably be going back and forth in my mind every few minutes.  Not gonna do this again, one dose is enough.... Come on, don't be such a wuss, get the second dose.... Nah, I'll wait for the variant vaccine....  But I want to travel...  I'd be vacillating until the day scheduled for the second vaccine, and then I'd probably give it a few more weeks, in the hope that the CDC would come out with a new guideline.  The UK and Canada seem to have taken the approach that the second dose could be safely postponed till 12 weeks after the first, so maybe I'd hold out that long.  https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/01/20/revisiting-the-uks-strategy-for-delaying-the-second-dose-of-the-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine/ 

Rabbi Dr. Aaron Glatt a few weeks ago addressed one vs two doses for those recovered from covid (IDK if he mentioned it more recently) and he seems to give credence to both sides:
  starting 18:30

"You should get vaccinated even if you do have antibodies.... The current thinking is yes, you should get two doses of the vaccine.  But certainly I think everybody would agree that at least one dose of the vaccine would definitely be appropriate and very helpful in people who had covid, even if they have antibodies still..."

Maybe one way to think about it would be to compare the worst-case scenarios with each choice, such as:
If you get two shots, you'll probably be uncomfortable another few days.  May need yet a third vax for variants.  And may still get covid, in which case you'll probably turn your anger on the CDC, Fauci, etc.
If you get one shot, you may not be able to travel as freely.  May still get covid, in which case you'll probably turn your anger on yourself, and ask Why didn't I just get the second shot?

Which would be easier for you to deal with?  People differ in how they feel about being in control themselves vs relying on someone else for decisions, so I think it's a personal decision.  From the links above, you've clearly got experts in your corner, whichever choice you make. 

On the other hand, if I had recovered from covid but not yet gotten vaccinated, I think I would opt for the one-and-done J&J vaccine, just to avoid having to face the 1 vs 2 decision posed by the mRNA vaccines.

I agree with your comment that the CDC moves slowly, but I would point out that it's not due to laziness or inefficiency.  The CDC creates guidance for millions of people, and so has to consider more factors than involved in your personal decision.  Ideally, they would compare those covid recoverees who have only one shot with those who take the standard two shots, and see the rate in which they get covid.  But remember the clinical trial that asked this same question for those who had two shots vs placebo followed 40,000 people for three months.  The rate of infection should be even lower in those who've had covid once, so getting a scientifically reliable result will take longer than anyone wants to wait.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: zagguru on March 14, 2021, 09:39:34 PM
Why not just get the J&J one dose to cover all your concerns?
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: shmebeble on March 14, 2021, 09:42:34 PM
"but the 2nd dose doesn't count if it wasn't 4 weeks later."

who says this?
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: AsherO on March 15, 2021, 12:25:43 AM
Why not just get the J&J one dose to cover all your concerns?

I can’t decide wether I should get one or two doses of a superior vaccine (by efficacy number), so I’ll settle for a relatively inferior vaccine and be done with it.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: gozalim on March 15, 2021, 12:57:43 AM
I can’t decide wether I should get one or two doses of a superior vaccine (by efficacy number), so I’ll settle for a relatively inferior vaccine and be done with it.
is one dose of P/M more efficacious than the single J&J dose?
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: S209 on March 15, 2021, 01:28:03 AM
is one dose of P/M more efficacious than the single J&J dose?
Yes.
Why not just get the J&J one dose to cover all your concerns?
Too late

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Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 15, 2021, 05:37:16 AM
Lots of studies are showing that people who had COVID only need 1 dose of a mRNA vaccine to have more antibodies than people who didn't have COVID get in 2 doses.

Israel is following that, but the CDC is still saying 2.

I had my Moderna shot on Wednesday, and have the achiness and fatigue described in the 2nd shot by people who didn't have COVID. No fever though, BH, and advil is working reasonably well.

Doctors I've spoken to think the CDC guidance will ultimately be updated to 1, but they move slowly. They agree that 1 is logical and that I don't need to rush to get another vaccine.

But OTOH, if countries only up only up to people who had 2 doses of mRNA vaccine, I'll be annoyed I didn't just get the 2nd dose. And then there's the issue of "but the 2nd dose doesn't count if it wasn't 4 weeks later."

Then again I also think we'll see mRNA boosters out later this year to tackle variants. So I'll eventually get at least a 2nd dose anyway.

What are other in this situation doing?

What's the downside of getting a second dose?
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Jellybelly on March 15, 2021, 08:41:48 AM
What's the downside of getting a second dose?
The vaccine itself is a risk, but is a calculated risk that people are willing to take at this point, if a second shot isn’t necessary, why take the risk?
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Dan on March 15, 2021, 10:40:02 AM
What's the downside of getting a second dose?
The vaccine itself is a risk, but is a calculated risk that people are willing to take at this point, if a second shot isn’t necessary, why take the risk?
There's that.
There's also that it seems taking a 2nd dose would be purely bureaucratic at this point and the guidance is likely to change down the line.

But more practically, I was achy and fatigued for 2 days after the shot and my arm is still sore 5 days later. Don't care to do that again unless there's a clear benefit.
Mind you, travel is a clear benefit, but I'm not sure if that will materialize or not or what places will do if someone has 1 mRNA based on Dr's advice.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: ExGingi on March 15, 2021, 02:36:10 PM
There's that.
There's also that it seems taking a 2nd dose would be purely bureaucratic at this point and the guidance is likely to change down the line.

But more practically, I was achy and fatigued for 2 days after the shot and my arm is still sore 5 days later. Don't care to do that again unless there's a clear benefit.
Mind you, travel is a clear benefit, but I'm not sure if that will materialize or not or what places will do if someone has 1 mRNA based on Dr's advice.

I just came across this thread.

The medical bureaucracy and BS is astounding.

If the purpose of the vaccine is to have antibodies generated, why not look at antibody levels.

I got one dose of the Moderna vaccine on 2/17, I had no soreness in my arm, and didn't even feel the shot, but the next day I felt weak. I attributed it to vaccine side effects. I also happend to take a COVID-19 PCR test that day, in anticipation of a trip to EY. That test came back positive. Everyone seems to swear that it couldn't be the vaccine that made it come back positive, but one way or another, there would have been no way to have known about it had I not tested for a flight. Needless to say I had 3 subsequent negative PCR tests (one take on 2/20 at night, another on 2/21 around noon, and a third upon landing in EY on 2/22).

I have documented on DDF my antibody tests (taken on 2/23, 2/25 and 3/14) all way above the range to be considered reactive/positive.

I called my doctor's office today asking to postpone my second dose to April. Besides for not needing it currently myself (only reason I took the first one was to boost antibodies in order to be able to get out of quarantine in EY), if they are in such high demand and low supply, let them give it to someone that needs/wants it. Yet they were giving me a hard time. I am waiting for them to call me back.

Currently, the policy in EY is to give a green pass to people who are 10 days post 2nd dose of the vaccine. The green pass is supposedly then valid for 6 months. They don't currently accept non-Israeli vaccination records. As such, I have no benefit in getting the 2nd dose now, and would rather postpone it to a time when Israel might accept non-Israeli vaccinations, so that my green pass would be valid for longer. I might also opt to get 2 shots in Israel, if I feel that is warranted for my purposes of being able to gain the access I want to the places I need to gain access to. I didn't bother getting one shot in Israel during my most recent visit, as non Kupat Cholim members can't get a green pass at this point, so there would be no benefit to me.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: aygart on March 15, 2021, 02:41:57 PM
If the purpose of the vaccine is to have antibodies generated, why not look at antibody levels.
It is not. The purpose is to generate immunity.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: ExGingi on March 15, 2021, 02:47:07 PM
It is not. The purpose is to generate immunity.

And how does anyone know if they have immunity?
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 15, 2021, 02:48:02 PM
And how does anyone know if they have immunity?
There is no way to know. That's the point.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: aygart on March 15, 2021, 02:49:36 PM
And how does anyone know if they have immunity?
It not always able to be known. Antibodies seem to show temporary immunity while it's permanence is unknown. The hope is that the vaccine will create permanent immunity in two doses. The discussion is that infection together with the vaccine may be equally effective.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: AsherO on March 15, 2021, 02:54:52 PM
It not always able to be known. Antibodies seem to indicate (but not guarantee) temporary immunity while it's permanence is unknown. The hope is that the vaccine will create longer termimmunity in two doses. The discussion is whether infection together with the vaccine may be equally effective.

FTFY, at least that's how I'd phrase it.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: aygart on March 15, 2021, 03:51:09 PM
FTFY, at least that's how I'd phrase it.
agreed
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: ExGingi on March 15, 2021, 04:52:31 PM
It not always able to be known. Antibodies seem to show temporary immunity while it's permanence is unknown. The hope is that the vaccine will create permanent immunity in two doses. The discussion is that infection together with the vaccine may be equally effective.

So if the best marker we have is the antibodies, why not use them as some sort of indication?

How in the world do they determine that the vaccines are effective in clinical trials (I get the huge trial in Israel as being somewhat indicative, but why not combine it with antibody testing to get a better indication?)

As I noted, Israeli green pass is issued 10 days after 2nd dose, and is valid for six months. Recovery within Israel gives a תעודת מחלים regardless of when recovery occurred and is valid until 6/30/2021.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: S209 on March 15, 2021, 05:17:37 PM
How in the world do they determine that the vaccines are effective in clinical trials (I get the huge trial in Israel as being somewhat indicative, but why not combine it with antibody testing to get a better indication?)
By tracking actual infection rate in the vaccinated group vs a control group?
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: RobsPoints on March 15, 2021, 05:22:00 PM
So if the best marker we have is the antibodies, why not use them as some sort of indication?

How in the world do they determine that the vaccines are effective in clinical trials (I get the huge trial in Israel as being somewhat indicative, but why not combine it with antibody testing to get a better indication?)

As I noted, Israeli green pass is issued 10 days after 2nd dose, and is valid for six months. Recovery within Israel gives a תעודת מחלים regardless of when recovery occurred and is valid until 6/30/2021.
Antibodies are only one aspect of immune response. Antibodies can disappear after a few months, but memory T Cells can provide ongoing immunity. There's no way to measure T cell response or know how long it lasts without further study.   

Clinical trials give half the people the vaccine and half the people a placebo.  Then they check in a few months later. If there are 50 people that get sick from the disease in the placebo group, and only 5 people in the group that got the vaccine, they say the vaccine prevented 45 illnesses that we would have otherwise expected to see in a group of that size that didn't get a vaccine.  So they say the vaccine is 45/50 or 90% effective at preventing disease.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Ergel on March 15, 2021, 05:40:26 PM
As I noted, Israeli green pass is issued 10 days after 2nd dose, and is valid for six months.
For now
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: ExGingi on March 15, 2021, 08:46:37 PM
Antibodies are only one aspect of immune response. Antibodies can disappear after a few months, but memory T Cells can provide ongoing immunity. There's no way to measure T cell response or know how long it lasts without further study.   

Clinical trials give half the people the vaccine and half the people a placebo.  Then they check in a few months later. If there are 50 people that get sick from the disease in the placebo group, and only 5 people in the group that got the vaccine, they say the vaccine prevented 45 illnesses that we would have otherwise expected to see in a group of that size that didn't get a vaccine.  So they say the vaccine is 45/50 or 90% effective at preventing disease.

But did they ever do similar studies with people who recovered?
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: S209 on March 15, 2021, 10:04:22 PM
But did they ever do similar studies with people who recovered?
Who is “they”?
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: iwlw2 on March 18, 2021, 12:06:44 PM
Bumping this question as it is now BH relevant to me as well.
Got my first (Moderna) shot yesterday. Arm definitely sore, and I feel some fatigue and general blaah, but that may be more related to this time of year.... ;)
I had Covid a year ago, and eventually tested positive for high levels of antibodies and donated plasma, am very curious about whether a second shot is all that beneficial or necessary for me. Any updated info on this from anyone?
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: ExGingi on March 18, 2021, 12:17:33 PM
Bumping this question as it is now BH relevant to me as well.
Got my first (Moderna) shot yesterday. Arm definitely sore, and I feel some fatigue and general blaah, but that may be more related to this time of year.... ;)
I had Covid a year ago, and eventually tested positive for high levels of antibodies and donated plasma, am very curious about whether a second shot is all that beneficial or necessary for me. Any updated info on this from anyone?

Did you check your antibodies shortly prior to getting vaccinated?

I did and they were low, which is why I took the first dose. 6 days later I tested my antibodies and they were very high. I am postponing the 2nd dose until a time when I see a benefit to taking it (either having it recognized for a green pass in Israel, or if I see that my antibodies are low again).
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: AsherO on March 18, 2021, 12:24:48 PM
Did you check your antibodies shortly prior to getting vaccinated?

I did and they were low, which is why I took the first dose. 6 days later I tested my antibodies and they were very high. I am postponing the 2nd dose until a time when I see a benefit to taking it (either having it recognized for a green pass in Israel, or if I see that my antibodies are low again).

Hopefully you realize that waiting to take a second shot could (potentially, it's unknown now) lead to your second shot being less effective. The medical establishment  does not yet have a consensus on this issue, so recommendations vary.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: iwlw2 on March 18, 2021, 12:43:53 PM
Did you check your antibodies shortly prior to getting vaccinated?

I did and they were low, which is why I took the first dose. 6 days later I tested my antibodies and they were very high. I am postponing the 2nd dose until a time when I see a benefit to taking it (either having it recognized for a green pass in Israel, or if I see that my antibodies are low again).
I did not check, in fact havenot checked since I initially got the antibody test last April, so no idea about those. Just no reason for me to take a second shot if a)it wont help me that much anyhow, b) could delay someone else getting their first (or second who never had covid).
(Incidentally, I feel quite lousy now, hopeful it wont last for too long....)
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Dan on March 18, 2021, 12:48:21 PM
(Incidentally, I feel quite lousy now, hopeful it wont last for too long....)
Seems common among people who had COVID. Lasted a couple days for me.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Dan on March 18, 2021, 12:48:55 PM
Did you check your antibodies shortly prior to getting vaccinated?

I did and they were low, which is why I took the first dose. 6 days later I tested my antibodies and they were very high. I am postponing the 2nd dose until a time when I see a benefit to taking it (either having it recognized for a green pass in Israel, or if I see that my antibodies are low again).
When you're bored, take the Roche quant at Labcorp.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Dan on March 18, 2021, 12:51:20 PM
Hopefully you realize that waiting to take a second shot could (potentially, it's unknown now) lead to your second shot being less effective. The medical establishment  does not yet have a consensus on this issue, so recommendations vary.
Right, this is why I'll probably get the 2nd shot. For example Iceland has strict requirements on how long you can wait for the Pfizer or AZN 2nd shot and still enter without quarantine.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: ExGingi on March 18, 2021, 01:49:47 PM
Right, this is why I'll probably get the 2nd shot. For example Iceland has strict requirements on how long you can wait for the Pfizer or AZN 2nd shot and still enter without quarantine.

Exactly. Taking the 2nd shot is all about the actual benefit in avoiding restrictions (as was the first shot, which performed exactly as expected). For me it's all about removing restrictions in Israel. I might even choose to get 2 shots in Israel, if that's what is likely to get me a green pass faster than any other conceivable option.

As to effectiveness. I am glad the medical professionals are willing to say we don't know, and I'll leave it at that.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: AsherO on March 18, 2021, 02:16:31 PM
As to effectiveness. I am glad the medical professionals are willing to say we don't know, and I'll leave it at that.

By the time they know it might be too late for maximal/optimal effectiveness. I don't think it's a big deal, but some experts do.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Dan on March 18, 2021, 05:24:28 PM
https://www.businessinsider.com/people-who-had-covid-19-need-one-coronavirus-shot-2021-3
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Euclid on March 18, 2021, 05:27:16 PM
https://www.businessinsider.com/people-who-had-covid-19-need-one-coronavirus-shot-2021-3
They missed a headline opportunity:

"We will not throw away the shot"
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: AsherO on March 18, 2021, 06:47:10 PM
https://www.businessinsider.com/people-who-had-covid-19-need-one-coronavirus-shot-2021-3

CDC/WHO etc need to recognize this.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Moshe123 on March 18, 2021, 09:24:59 PM
Had covid a year ago. Still have plenty of antibodies. Got the Moderna vaccine today.

Reception is much stronger....
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: AsherO on March 18, 2021, 09:39:36 PM
5G reception is much stronger....

FTFY :P
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Jellybelly on March 18, 2021, 11:29:56 PM
If the cdc would change their recommendations, that those that recovered from The Virus only need one vaccine. How would I prove that I had the Virus? I had it before testing was available.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Dan on March 18, 2021, 11:32:23 PM
If the cdc would change their recommendations, that those that recovered from The Virus only need one vaccine. How would I prove that I had the Virus? I had it before testing was available.
My guess is that they won't change their recommendation despite the science behind it. It's easier to just tell everyone to get 2 than to start making case by case exceptions.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: AsherO on March 18, 2021, 11:44:46 PM
My guess is that they won't change their recommendation despite the science behind it. It's easier to just tell everyone to get 2 than to start making case by case exceptions.

Especially since vaccine supply doesn’t seem to be such a major issue.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Jellybelly on March 18, 2021, 11:46:31 PM
Especially since vaccine supply doesn’t seem to be such a major issue.
Not if we need a new vaccine every 6 months
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: AsherO on March 18, 2021, 11:52:08 PM
Not if we need a new vaccine every 6 months

We’re not in that place yet. Even if we get there there might be sufficient supply if other vaccines (e.g. Novovax, AZN, and potentially others) get approved and can ramp up their domestic production/distribution.

The other thing is that if COVID becomes endemic but rare (outbreaks every now and then here and there) then the 6-month vaccination recommendation won’t be set in stone, it’ll be every 6-9 months realistically with priority/frequency more rigid for the elderly and those at-risk.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: yitzgar on March 19, 2021, 12:17:20 AM
How likely is it that we'll need every 6 months? Trials started nearly a year ago, so they should know if it lasts that long, no?
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: ShimshonK on March 19, 2021, 12:28:48 AM
Just seeing this thread now. My father is in a weird situation in that he got Covid a few days after he got shot #1, and then he got monoclonal antibodies. So he hasn't gotten shot #2 yet, as he was told to wait 90 days, though he does plan to get it then.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Baruch on March 19, 2021, 12:29:07 AM
My wife got the first Moderna shot yesterday, she has 102 fever the whole day and is vomiting, she never had COVID symptoms, but tested positive for antibodies after Sukkos (tested negative for antibodies after Pesach).

Does anyone know if she should expect such a strong reaction if she takes a second dose?
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: etech0 on March 19, 2021, 10:47:20 AM
My wife got the first Moderna shot yesterday, she has 102 fever the whole day and is vomiting, she never had COVID symptoms, but tested positive for antibodies after Sukkos (tested negative for antibodies after Pesach).

Does anyone know if she should expect such a strong reaction if she takes a second dose?
refua sheleima!
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: iwlw2 on March 19, 2021, 11:38:50 AM
Had covid a year ago. Still have plenty of antibodies. Got the Moderna vaccine today.
I am curious did you have a bad reaction? Because yesterday (day after shot) I felt as horrible as I ever felt with Covid, in bed. Course that lasted for two weeks and I am BH feeling better today, hopefully all the ay back in another day or two.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: iwlw2 on March 19, 2021, 11:40:23 AM
My wife got the first Moderna shot yesterday, she has 102 fever the whole day and is vomiting, she never had COVID symptoms, but tested positive for antibodies after Sukkos (tested negative for antibodies after Pesach).

Does anyone know if she should expect such a strong reaction if she takes a second dose?
I have the same question. Frankly was not expecting such a strong reaction, and if the second one were expected to be this bad, I would have serious doubts about taking it (had covid already, so possibly one shot is enough).
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Moshe123 on March 19, 2021, 01:44:52 PM
I am curious did you have a bad reaction? Because yesterday (day after shot) I felt as horrible as I ever felt with Covid, in bed. Course that lasted for two weeks and I am BH feeling better today, hopefully all the ay back in another day or two.

17 hours later and b"h zero zilch side effects.
Refuah Sheleima!
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Baruch on March 20, 2021, 10:15:57 PM
I have the same question. Frankly was not expecting such a strong reaction, and if the second one were expected to be this bad, I would have serious doubts about taking it (had covid already, so possibly one shot is enough).
We have a month to figure it out. If you come across any data on this, pls post, as will I bl"n
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: ExGingi on March 20, 2021, 10:30:35 PM
At this point, why would anyone who previously had Covid-19 take more than a single dose of the vaccine?
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: dovy2 on March 20, 2021, 10:33:23 PM
Got moderna 1st shot on Thursday.. felt sick over shabbos.. deff. won't do the 2nd one
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: iwlw2 on March 20, 2021, 10:47:43 PM
We have a month to figure it out. If you come across any data on this, pls post, as will I bl"n
https://www.businessinsider.com/people-who-had-covid-19-need-one-coronavirus-shot-2021-3
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: iwlw2 on March 20, 2021, 10:49:04 PM
At this point, why would anyone who previously had Covid-19 take more than a single dose of the vaccine?
The only reason (at least compelling one IMHO) is to have the vaccine documentation for purposes of traveling etc.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Moshe123 on March 20, 2021, 10:56:14 PM
The only reason (at least compelling one IMHO) is to have the vaccine documentation for purposes of traveling etc.

This.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Dan on March 20, 2021, 11:24:31 PM
The only reason (at least compelling one IMHO) is to have the vaccine documentation for purposes of traveling etc.
Yup.
Other potential problem will be countries not recognizing your vaccination if you didn't take both doses within the timeframe.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: AsherO on March 20, 2021, 11:27:09 PM
Yup.
Other potential problem will be countries not recognizing your vaccination if you didn't take both doses within the timeframe.

Basically an extension of the same reason, you'd be taking the 2nd dose (on time) so you can travel.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Baruch on March 20, 2021, 11:58:42 PM
At this point, why would anyone who previously had Covid-19 take more than a single dose of the vaccine?
In my wife's case she never tested positive for Covid, nor had any symptoms, just tested positive for antibodies once, so you have to add into the equation that maybe that test was a false positive. Or do you? I don't know myself how often they gave false positives.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: ExGingi on March 21, 2021, 12:59:34 AM
The only reason (at least compelling one IMHO) is to have the vaccine documentation for purposes of traveling etc.

So there's no reason to get it until and unless that becomes a reality. So far other than getting 2 doses in Israel, I haven't seen anywhere in the world where it would help. Hence postpone.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: yesitsme on March 21, 2021, 03:58:54 AM
And how does anyone know if they have immunity?
I have herd immunity
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Dan on March 21, 2021, 09:50:41 AM
So there's no reason to get it until and unless that becomes a reality. So far other than getting 2 doses in Israel, I haven't seen anywhere in the world where it would help. Hence postpone.
Iceland
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: ExGingi on March 21, 2021, 10:34:26 AM
Iceland

I doubt that's somewhere I would visit while I have young children at home.

Also, they might be European (i.e. slow), and maybe there won't be such a huge market, but CDC cards aren't really hard to manufacture.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: ExGingi on March 21, 2021, 10:35:20 AM
I have herd immunity

So you go with the herd mentality to just do as told whether it makes sense or not. :P
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Dan on March 21, 2021, 10:36:30 AM
Iceland
I can see it being the norm across the globe.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: ExGingi on March 21, 2021, 10:37:31 AM
I can see it being the norm across the globe.

With the current CDC card? Wake me up when it happens.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: aygart on March 21, 2021, 12:14:37 PM
With the current CDC card? Wake me up when it happens.
Documentation will evolve.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: ExGingi on March 21, 2021, 12:23:32 PM
Documentation will evolve.

Wake me up when it happens.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Dan on March 21, 2021, 12:30:57 PM
Based on Iceland, may be too late by then :(
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: AsherO on March 21, 2021, 12:33:47 PM
Based on Iceland, may be too late by then :(

He’ll have to get two, or a J&J (if he trusts their Kashrus :P)
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Dan on April 07, 2021, 04:39:12 PM
Got my 2nd shot.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: AsherO on April 07, 2021, 04:39:41 PM
Got my 2nd shot.

How long ago? How are you feeling vs. the first one?

No pic this time? :P
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Dan on April 07, 2021, 04:41:15 PM
How long ago? How are you feeling vs. the first one?

No pic this time? :P
Lol, just now.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: AsherO on April 07, 2021, 04:42:27 PM
Lol, just now.

Hope you keep feeling as well as you feel now and better bez"h.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Yehuda57 on April 07, 2021, 04:43:43 PM

No pic this time? :P

If someone gets the vaccine and doesn't take a picture, do they develop immunity? @biobook
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Ergel on April 07, 2021, 04:44:29 PM
If someone gets the vaccine and doesn't take a picture, do they develop immunity? @biobook
Shoot. Maybe that's why I don't have antibodies
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: AsherO on April 07, 2021, 04:45:23 PM
If someone gets the vaccine and doesn't take a picture, do they develop immunity? @biobook

I have heard immunity from hearing about everyone getting vaccinated, much better than seed immunity from looking at pictures :P
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: gozalim on April 07, 2021, 04:45:35 PM
If someone gets the vaccine and doesn't take a picture, do they develop immunity? @biobook
health theater
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: AsherO on April 07, 2021, 04:46:07 PM
Shoot. Maybe that's why I don't have antibodies

I believe you have undetected antibodies.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: AsherO on April 07, 2021, 04:46:36 PM
health theater


If I get vaccinated and take a picture that makes me a healthy eater?
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Yehuda57 on April 07, 2021, 04:48:41 PM
Shoot.

Too late. Should have done the shoot when you got the shot.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Yehuda57 on April 07, 2021, 04:49:47 PM
I believe you have undetected antibodies.

He can detect them by walking in the forest and listening out for falling trees.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: biobook on April 07, 2021, 04:53:27 PM
Lol, just now.
How'd you decide?
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: biobook on April 07, 2021, 05:03:30 PM
If someone gets the vaccine and doesn't take a picture, do they develop immunity? @biobook
Actually, antibody production is increased in those who don't take a selfie.  The injection is into the deltoid muscle, which is used in the glenohumeral elevation required for raising the arm.  So when aiming the phone to take a picture, this muscle contracts and dislodges the vaccine, thereby decreasing its effectiveness in stimulating antibody production. 

I'm pretty sure I read this somewhere... Now where was that reference?....  Journal of Irreproducible Results, perhaps?
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Dan on April 07, 2021, 05:06:41 PM
How'd you decide?
Figured I'd potentially regret not doing it by the books more than I'd regret being achy and tired for a day or 2.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: AsherO on April 07, 2021, 05:09:05 PM
Actually, antibody production is increased in those who don't take a selfie.  The injection is into the deltoid muscle, which is used in the glenohumeral elevation required for raising the arm.  So when aiming the phone to take a picture, this muscle contracts and dislodges the vaccine, thereby decreasing its effectiveness in stimulating antibody production. 

I'm pretty sure I read this somewhere... Now where was that reference?....  Journal of Irreproducible Results, perhaps?

Finally some evidence of natural selection weeding out selfie-takers :D
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: ExGingi on April 07, 2021, 05:12:44 PM
Got my 2nd shot.

What's the rush? Why didn't you wait until actually needed? If it's determined that vaccine immunity is only good for 6 months (as indications seem to be), then why not wait to have it longer (i.e. for documentation to be valid for longer)?

Did you get your antibody levels prior to 2nd shot, to compare to what they will be after the 2nd shot?
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Dan on April 07, 2021, 05:32:51 PM
What's the rush? Why didn't you wait until actually needed? If it's determined that vaccine immunity is only good for 6 months (as indications seem to be), then why not wait to have it longer (i.e. for documentation to be valid for longer)?

Did you get your antibody levels prior to 2nd shot, to compare to what they will be after the 2nd shot?
1. Iceland had restrictions on the interval period. Plus I had half a thought to go there next week.
2. Nope. But my guess is they're >250 that the test can measure.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Yehuda57 on April 07, 2021, 05:40:21 PM
Actually, antibody production is increased in those who don't take a selfie.  The injection is into the deltoid muscle, which is used in the glenohumeral elevation required for raising the arm.  So when aiming the phone to take a picture, this muscle contracts and dislodges the vaccine, thereby decreasing its effectiveness in stimulating antibody production. 

I'm pretty sure I read this somewhere... Now where was that reference?....  Journal of Irreproducible Results, perhaps?

I'm no statistician, but considering that 99.68% of people took selfies and the efficacy rate nonetheless, the vaccines potentially could have a 10765% efficacy rate instead of the lowly 94%.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: yelped on April 07, 2021, 05:57:00 PM
Just got my first dose (Moderna) today. Had Covid 6 months ago. So far not feeling any aches or pains.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Dan on April 07, 2021, 06:02:43 PM
Just got my first dose (Moderna) today. Had Covid 6 months ago. So far not feeling any aches or pains.
Set in for me overnight. Lasted for 36 hours or so.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: yelped on April 07, 2021, 06:10:57 PM
Set in for me overnight. Lasted for 36 hours or so.
😬 Let's hope for the best. ;)
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: biobook on April 07, 2021, 06:13:50 PM
Figured I'd potentially regret not doing it by the books more than I'd regret being achy and tired for a day or 2.
So let us know in a few days how #2 compared to #1.
When I had googled this a couple weeks ago, I found many people posting "I had covid, and had a strong reaction to the first vaccine dose, should I skip the second?"  But I found almost nobody following up with what they decided, and whether the response to the second dose would be worse, better, or the same as the first.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: yelped on April 07, 2021, 06:18:51 PM
My father had Covid and got the Pfizer vaccine a couple of months later. With the first dose he ran a slight fever the next day. The second dose, nothing.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Dan on April 07, 2021, 06:22:10 PM
My father had Covid and got the Pfizer vaccine a couple of months later. With the first dose he ran a slight fever the next day. The second dose, nothing.
Pfizer has fewer side effects.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: yelped on April 07, 2021, 06:25:01 PM
Pfizer has fewer side effects.
That's what I've gathered from here, too, but didn't see cold, hard numbers. In any case, they only gave Moderna here.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: ExGingi on April 07, 2021, 06:25:18 PM
Pfizer has fewer side effects.

I am guessing that I'll take that sometime in the summer (unless things change and I'll be able to have the same type of access I have now based on antibody tests).
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Dan on April 07, 2021, 06:25:39 PM
That's what I've gathered from here, too, but didn't see cold, hard numbers. In any case, they only gave Moderna here.
@biobook posted numbers
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: biobook on April 07, 2021, 06:29:45 PM
@biobook posted numbers
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=121947.msg2425397#msg2425397
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: yelped on April 07, 2021, 07:02:28 PM
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=121947.msg2425397#msg2425397
Not a huge difference then. Doesn't seem like it's worth it to go out of my way to get the Pfizer vaccine unless it's readily available in my area.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Dan on April 07, 2021, 07:03:51 PM
Not a huge difference then. Doesn't seem like it's worth it to go out of my way to get the Pfizer vaccine unless it's readily available in my area.
fever: 8.2% vs 5.8%, chills 8.4% vs. 5.5%. 

30-40% more...
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: yelped on April 07, 2021, 07:11:33 PM
fever: 8.2% vs 5.8%, chills 8.4% vs. 5.5%. 

30-40% more...
And Pfizer has a week less wait time in between doses.

Still less than 10% of people have reported side effects.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Dan on April 07, 2021, 07:16:08 PM
And Pfizer has a week less wait time in between doses.

Still less than 10% of people have reported side effects.
I didn't have a fever or chills, but I had other side effects.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: PSA2 on April 08, 2021, 01:47:40 AM
Wow the מסירת נפש that you have for Iceland is unbelievable.  I hope they will recognize you for that.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: yelped on April 08, 2021, 10:58:36 AM
I didn't have a fever or chills, but I had other side effects.
So BH I'm feeling fine besides for a little soreness on that arm and slight lightheadedness, the same with 2 of my colleagues who also took it yesterday, but my DW is feeling very lousy. Fever, chills, etc.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: grodnoking on April 08, 2021, 12:10:32 PM
So BH I'm feeling fine besides for a little soreness on that arm and slight lightheadedness, the same with 2 of my colleagues who also took it yesterday, but my DW is feeling very lousy. Fever, chills, etc.
Did you yelp when they gave you the shot?
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: yelped on April 08, 2021, 12:20:44 PM
Did you yelp when they gave you the shot?
Nah, I only made my handle "yelped" because it was a big deal when I actually yelped once 20 years ago.  :P
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Yehuda57 on April 08, 2021, 12:24:01 PM
So BH I'm feeling fine besides for a little soreness on that arm and slight lightheadedness, the same with 2 of my colleagues who also took it yesterday, but my DW is feeling very lousy. Fever, chills, etc.

Ineresting, side effects are worse for women (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7008e3.htm).
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Baruch on April 13, 2021, 10:27:50 AM
My wife got the first Moderna shot yesterday, she has 102 fever the whole day and is vomiting, she never had COVID symptoms, but tested positive for antibodies after Sukkos (tested negative for antibodies after Pesach).

Does anyone know if she should expect such a strong reaction if she takes a second dose?
2nd shot appointment is today, does anyone know if someone who had antibodies before shot 1, and had very bad side effects, will get bad side effects on shot 2?


The reason why she’d do shot 2 is just in case schools make a rule that you need vax id, she doesn’t want to do 2 more.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Baruch on April 13, 2021, 10:31:23 AM
Got my 2nd shot.
how were the side effecst?
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Baruch on April 13, 2021, 10:32:07 AM
2nd shot appointment is today, does anyone know if someone who had antibodies before shot 1, and had very bad side effects, will get bad side effects on shot 2?


The reason why she’d do shot 2 is just in case schools make a rule that you need vax id, she doesn’t want to do 2 more.
would taking the shot a few months later be considered vaxxed? Or you have to do it a month apart?
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Yikes2179 on April 13, 2021, 10:32:36 AM
I had very mild covid last year. Got 2 shots Pfizer & BH no side effects at all
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Dan on April 13, 2021, 10:35:17 AM
I had a high fever and was very achy when I had COVID in Feb 2020. Got the 2nd Moderna shot last Wednesday afternoon and had a rough night of little sleep and lots of hot and cold sweats.

Some aches lasted for a couple days, but not nearly as severe as after the first shot. Advil nearly entirely numbed the aches. Bit lightheaded the next day, but totally back to normal by Shabbos.

@Mimi didn't have antibodies or a very strong reaction to Moderna shot 1, but was burning up and shaking the night after her 2nd shot. Was fine by the next day though, BH.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Dan on April 13, 2021, 10:36:02 AM
would taking the shot a few months later be considered vaxxed? Or you have to do it a month apart?
Iceland's requirements were that you took the shot in the prescribed timeframe.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Lurker on April 13, 2021, 10:37:53 AM
Iceland's requirements were that you took the shot in the prescribed timeframe.

Whoda thunk Iceland would feature so prominently in personal pandemic response decisions around the world?
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: yelped on April 13, 2021, 01:45:37 PM
Whoda thunk Iceland would feature so prominently in personal pandemic response decisions around the world?
Iceberg effect?
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: AsherO on April 13, 2021, 02:09:16 PM
Iceberg effect?

More like DD effect.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: iwlw2 on April 14, 2021, 11:54:35 AM
Happy to report I got my second Moderna shot yesterday. Less happy to report that I am experiencing the same basic effects as with my first, i.e. very similar to when I actually had COVID. Unfotunately I cant spend the day in bed because really busy time at work, so just holding on to the fact that it only lasted about 18 hours last time and hopefully this time the same. FWIW I asked the nurse who administered the shot if I was likely to have a reaction again given that I did the first time, and she said if I had with first likely to have again with the second.
Based on educating myself in the way of all true intellectuals (by perusing DDF of course ;-)), I am quite convinced that there is little medical value in my having taken the second shot given that I already had COVID, but I am holding out hope and davening that it will enable me to go to a chasuna in Israel in June.....
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Moshe123 on April 15, 2021, 04:21:27 PM
Had covid a year ago. Still have plenty of antibodies. Got the Moderna vaccine today.

Reception is much stronger....

Tested before the second Moderna dose.
Result was >400, which is the highest this test reports. Too bad I can't get the exact number. I was 199 before the vaccine, a year after being infected.
>15 is positive in this test.

Doing to second shot, but what a waste.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: ExGingi on April 18, 2021, 12:01:56 AM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-04-17/covid-survivors-may-require-just-one-shot-of-a-two-dose-vaccine
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: ShimshonK on April 19, 2021, 02:08:04 AM
Just seeing this thread now. My father is in a weird situation in that he got Covid a few days after he got shot #1, and then he got monoclonal antibodies. So he hasn't gotten shot #2 yet, as he was told to wait 90 days, though he does plan to get it then.
Follow up on this -

His first dose was actually done out of state. He could go back there for a second dose, and they'll mark it as a second shot on the same vaccine card. Home state said they wouldn't mark it as a second shot on the card since there was a long gap in time between the shots. They said he can take 2 new shots with the proper intervals between them. I was pretty surprised that family doctor told him that he should probably do that.

So, it seems like his options are:
A) He can get the second shot in same location as first and they'll mark it on the same vaccine card - though it could be considered invalidated for some purposes, due to long gap between shots (he can also get the second shot in home state, but would then be in worse shape in terms of the vaccine card, since he wouldn't have any card showing he's fully vaxxed).
B) He could possibly take a J&J one if they start that up again - though that introduces another element of mixing two different types of vaccines (family doctor wasn't in favor of that).
C) He can take 2 new ones in home state - though that seems quite excessive.

What does DDF think?
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: yuneeq on April 19, 2021, 02:18:53 AM
Follow up on this -

His first dose was actually done out of state. He could go back there for a second dose, and they'll mark it as a second shot on the same vaccine card. Home state said they wouldn't mark it as a second shot on the card since there was a long gap in time between the shots. They said he can take 2 new shots with the proper intervals between them. I was pretty surprised that family doctor told him that he should probably do that.

So, it seems like his options are:
A) He can get the second shot in same location as first and they'll mark it on the same vaccine card - though it could be considered invalidated for some purposes, due to long gap between shots (he can also get the second shot in home state, but would then be in worse shape in terms of the vaccine card, since he wouldn't have any card showing he's fully vaxxed).
B) He could possibly take a J&J one if they start that up again - though that introduces another element of mixing two different types of vaccines (family doctor wasn't in favor of that).
C) He can take 2 new ones in home state - though that seems quite excessive.

What does DDF think?

A
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: AsherO on April 19, 2021, 08:01:47 AM
A

A if possible. Sounds like that would be family doc’s preference as well, though it wasn’t explicitly stated.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: ExGingi on April 19, 2021, 08:18:36 AM
Follow up on this -

His first dose was actually done out of state. He could go back there for a second dose, and they'll mark it as a second shot on the same vaccine card. Home state said they wouldn't mark it as a second shot on the card since there was a long gap in time between the shots. They said he can take 2 new shots with the proper intervals between them. I was pretty surprised that family doctor told him that he should probably do that.

So, it seems like his options are:
A) He can get the second shot in same location as first and they'll mark it on the same vaccine card - though it could be considered invalidated for some purposes, due to long gap between shots (he can also get the second shot in home state, but would then be in worse shape in terms of the vaccine card, since he wouldn't have any card showing he's fully vaxxed).
B) He could possibly take a J&J one if they start that up again - though that introduces another element of mixing two different types of vaccines (family doctor wasn't in favor of that).
C) He can take 2 new ones in home state - though that seems quite excessive.

What does DDF think?

Test for antibodies. If high, שב ואל תעשה. If below threshold, then if A isn't too much of a hassle choose that option, otherwise ask local Dr and do as advised.

If antibodies are there but not very high (just marginally above threshold) wait a month or two and take another antibody test before deciding on next step.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: AsherO on April 19, 2021, 08:56:29 AM
Test for antibodies. If high, שב ואל תעשה. If below threshold, then if A isn't too much of a hassle choose that option, otherwise ask local Dr and do as advised.

If antibodies are there but not very high (just marginally above threshold) wait a month or two and take another antibody test before deciding on next step.

If you plan on following this, check with family doctor about how he feels about the antibody results and vaccination.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: Dan on April 19, 2021, 10:12:51 AM
Follow up on this -

His first dose was actually done out of state. He could go back there for a second dose, and they'll mark it as a second shot on the same vaccine card. Home state said they wouldn't mark it as a second shot on the card since there was a long gap in time between the shots. They said he can take 2 new shots with the proper intervals between them. I was pretty surprised that family doctor told him that he should probably do that.

So, it seems like his options are:
A) He can get the second shot in same location as first and they'll mark it on the same vaccine card - though it could be considered invalidated for some purposes, due to long gap between shots (he can also get the second shot in home state, but would then be in worse shape in terms of the vaccine card, since he wouldn't have any card showing he's fully vaxxed).
B) He could possibly take a J&J one if they start that up again - though that introduces another element of mixing two different types of vaccines (family doctor wasn't in favor of that).
C) He can take 2 new ones in home state - though that seems quite excessive.

What does DDF think?
What does that mean the home state won't mark the card? He tried every pharmacy in his home state?!?

I'm sure you can find one that will mark the 2nd dose. My friend got his first in NY and his 2nd at Rite Aid in OH with a gap and they marked the card.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: avromie7 on April 19, 2021, 10:27:45 AM
Follow up on this -

His first dose was actually done out of state. He could go back there for a second dose, and they'll mark it as a second shot on the same vaccine card. Home state said they wouldn't mark it as a second shot on the card since there was a long gap in time between the shots. They said he can take 2 new shots with the proper intervals between them. I was pretty surprised that family doctor told him that he should probably do that.

So, it seems like his options are:
A) He can get the second shot in same location as first and they'll mark it on the same vaccine card - though it could be considered invalidated for some purposes, due to long gap between shots (he can also get the second shot in home state, but would then be in worse shape in terms of the vaccine card, since he wouldn't have any card showing he's fully vaxxed).
B) He could possibly take a J&J one if they start that up again - though that introduces another element of mixing two different types of vaccines (family doctor wasn't in favor of that).
C) He can take 2 new ones in home state - though that seems quite excessive.

What does DDF think?
I remember seeing somewhere that people who get antibody treatment may not develop their own immunity, I wonder how that would effect the first dose of the vaccine. Maybe the Dr feels that he may be starting out like someone who never got COVID or the vaccine, so a full 2 dose vaccine is warranted.
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: gozalim on April 19, 2021, 10:42:37 AM
Test for antibodies. If high, שב ואל תעשה. If below threshold, then if A isn't too much of a hassle choose that option, otherwise ask local Dr and do as advised.

If antibodies are there but not very high (just marginally above threshold) wait a month or two and take another antibody test before deciding on next step.
depends if his concern is health or travel
Title: Re: 1 Or 2 Vaccine Doses For People Who Had COVID?
Post by: ShimshonK on April 19, 2021, 11:58:44 PM
Thanks guys. I vote for A too. TBD what he ends up doing.

In terms of this -
What does that mean the home state won't mark the card? He tried every pharmacy in his home state?!?

I'm sure you can find one that will mark the 2nd dose. My friend got his first in NY and his 2nd at Rite Aid in OH with a gap and they marked the card.
Not sure where he got that info from but you make a good point. I'll find out / let him know.