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Title: US vs Russia
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 18, 2021, 05:21:33 PM
Is it just me or is Putin summoning his Ambassador for consultations and then begging Biden for a (zoom) meeting a total capitulation on his part?
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: zh cohen on March 18, 2021, 05:53:39 PM
begging Biden for a (zoom) meeting

Link?
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 18, 2021, 05:57:05 PM
Link?
In Israel the media is discussing a Zoom meeting, but when looking into it further it appears Putin is calling for a public zoom debate. Still seems desperate if not as conciliatory.

 https://www.rawstory.com/biden-putin-debate/
Title: Re: Biden Vs Putin
Post by: Kobe Bryant on March 18, 2021, 06:01:35 PM
Russian President Putin has reacted to President Biden calling him a "killer" by challenging Biden to take part in a conversation with him broadcast live online.

“I’ve just thought of this now,” Putin told a Russian state television reporter. “I want to propose to President Biden to continue our discussion, but on the condition that we do it basically live, as it’s called. Without any delays and directly in an open, direct discussion. It seems to me that would be interesting for the people of Russia and for the people of the United States.”
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: Jellybelly on March 18, 2021, 06:38:23 PM
Is it just me or is Putin summoning his Ambassador for consultations and then begging Biden for a (zoom) meeting a total capitulation on his part?
Nope, he’s trying to make Biden look like a fool. He knew that Biden would never do a face to face, his handlers would never let.
Putin also wished him “good health”
Biden is trying to be Mr tough guy and he has no clue what he got himself into.
 It would be funny if it wasn’t sad
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: AsherO on March 18, 2021, 06:51:32 PM
Nope, he’s trying to make Biden look like a fool. He knew that Biden would never do a face to face, his handlers would never let.
Putin also wished him “good health”
Biden is trying to be Mr tough guy and he has no clue what he got himself into.
 It would be funny if it wasn’t sad

Yup, basically Putin is calling his bluff and upping the ante.
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: Kobe Bryant on March 18, 2021, 07:13:29 PM
Yup, basically Putin is calling his bluff and upping the ante.
Not too difficult when dealing with a senile.
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: Jellybelly on March 18, 2021, 07:17:11 PM
Yup, basically Putin is calling his bluff and upping the ante.
It’s just funny how liberals can see this in a totally different way
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 18, 2021, 07:52:32 PM
Lol, Biden boldly called Putin a killer, then said again that he doesn't regret it. There is nothing remotely senile or bluff about it, he knows exactly what he's doing. Putin is nervous and fidgeting. He called his Ambassador back and is trying to shift the pressure back to Biden, but it won't work.

Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: Jellybelly on March 18, 2021, 08:11:26 PM
I actually don’t mind if he’s tough on Russia, but I don’t think he’ll win.
I wouldn’t mind if he’s tough on Iran and China too.
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: AsherO on March 18, 2021, 09:13:37 PM
Lol, Biden boldly called Putin a killer, then said again that he doesn't regret it. There is nothing remotely senile or bluff about it, he knows exactly what he's doing. Putin is nervous and fidgeting. He called his Ambassador back and is trying to shift the pressure back to Biden, but it won't work.


Let’s see how it plays out. I’m all for a Biden who’s tough on foreign policy, but I’m not as hopeful.
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: zh cohen on March 18, 2021, 11:16:39 PM
Let’s see how it plays out. I’m all for a Biden who’s tough on foreign policy, but I’m not as hopeful.

The question is what's better, talking tough while giving Putin everything he wants (Biden's approach) or talking nice but being tough (Trump's approach).
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: aygart on March 19, 2021, 12:03:43 AM
The question is what's better, talking tough while giving Putin everything he wants (Biden's approach) or talking nice but being tough (Trump's approach).
How was he tough?
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: yesitsme on March 19, 2021, 01:22:27 AM
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: YitzyS on March 19, 2021, 01:26:18 AM
There is nothing remotely senile or bluff about it, he knows exactly what he's doing.
Reminds me of a bunch of people betting on horses.

"Will he try to outmaneuver the one in front??"
"Oh, he's calculating his maximum speed against the distance separating them!!"
"He will try to use his velocity to throw off the center of gravity!"
"He seemed to be aiming for calculated approach, but to everyone's surprise, he didn't take the opportunity."

Guys, it's a horse. He runs, he eats, he sleeps.

Not saying Biden is a horse, but to imply profound genius in his choice of words when it's been years since he spoke a coherent paragraph without gaffing, it's a little more than I'm going to concede to right now.
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: AsherO on March 19, 2021, 07:56:20 AM
Reminds me of a bunch of people betting on horses.

"Will he try to outmaneuver the one in front??"
"Oh, he's calculating his maximum speed against the distance separating them!!"
"He will try to use his velocity to throw off the center of gravity!"
"He seemed to be aiming for calculated approach, but to everyone's surprise, he didn't take the opportunity."

Guys, it's a horse. He runs, he eats, he sleeps.

Not saying Biden is a horse, but to imply profound genius in his choice of words when it's been years since he spoke a coherent paragraph without gaffing, it's a little more than I'm going to concede to right now.

Nice analogy, and you can say it, Biden is a horse :P
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: yos9694 on March 19, 2021, 08:12:37 AM
Any live speech or debate is either prerecorded on a teleprompter for Biden to read or whispered into his ear via an earwig. There is no possibility that he would speak freely from his own mind. Disaster management 101.
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: drosenberg88429 on March 19, 2021, 08:46:08 AM
Reminds me of a bunch of people betting on horses.

"Will he try to outmaneuver the one in front??"
"Oh, he's calculating his maximum speed against the distance separating them!!"
"He will try to use his velocity to throw off the center of gravity!"
"He seemed to be aiming for calculated approach, but to everyone's surprise, he didn't take the opportunity."

Guys, it's a horse. He runs, he eats, he sleeps.

Not saying Biden is a horse, but to imply profound genius in his choice of words when it's been years since he spoke a coherent paragraph without gaffing, it's a little more than I'm going to concede to right now.

Horses generally don't make their own decisions how and where to run in races, if I'm not mistaken. They're well trained to follow their handler's directions.

I believe that is quite analogous to Biden too.
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 19, 2021, 08:49:35 AM
Any live speech or debate is either prerecorded on a teleprompter for Biden to read or whispered into his ear via an earwig. There is no possibility that he would speak freely from his own mind. Disaster management 101.

Putin is a killer, Trump is a puppet, and Biden is a President. Debating the head of a mafia cartel is way beneath the dignity of an American President, he should tell Putin we only debate leaders of major powers and definitely not allow him to dictate the day.

Putin is nervous and fidgeting, exactly what Biden wanted.
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: Jellybelly on March 19, 2021, 09:03:24 AM
Putin is a killer, Trump is a puppet, and Biden is a President. Debating the head of a mafia cartel is way beneath the dignity of an American President, he should tell Putin we only debate leaders of major powers and definitely not allow him to dictate the day.

Putin is nervous and fidgeting, exactly what Biden wanted.
😂😂😂😂
I agree that Putin is a killer, but it’s a dumb argument because Iran, China, PLO and many others are also.
Biden or his handlers have no clue what they got themselves into, time to go back to Mr Tough Guy school
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: Mordyk on March 19, 2021, 09:06:49 AM
Putin is a killer, Trump is a puppet, and Biden is a President. Debating the head of a mafia cartel is way beneath the dignity of an American President, he should tell Putin we only debate leaders of major powers and definitely not allow him to dictate the day.

Putin is nervous and fidgeting, exactly what Biden wanted.
Kamala is president.   Even Biden says so
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: AsherO on March 19, 2021, 09:44:29 AM
Trump is a puppet, and Biden is a President.

You have these two inverted :P
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: yos9694 on March 19, 2021, 10:20:45 AM
Putin is a killer, Trump is a puppet, and Biden is a President. Debating the head of a mafia cartel is way beneath the dignity of an American President, he should tell Putin we only debate leaders of major powers and definitely not allow him to dictate the day.

Putin is nervous and fidgeting, exactly what Biden wanted.

Biden is a president and a puppet. And that's OK. Trump is gone, so why bring him up?

It's extremely silly to be dismissive of foreign leaders because "they're killers". He still holds the highest office and leads of an entire country of people, and in this case an important one, so it is necessary to deal with him as such. And as Jellybelly said, the same can be said about Iran, China, and many other countries including the USA.
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: aygart on March 19, 2021, 11:43:09 AM
Putin is a killer, Trump is a puppet, and Biden is a President. Debating the head of a mafia cartel is way beneath the dignity of an American President, he should tell Putin we only debate leaders of major powers and definitely not allow him to dictate the day.

Putin is nervous and fidgeting, exactly what Biden wanted.
You are giving Trump WAY too much credit. There is no way he has enough self-control to be a puppet. What evidence have you seen of Biden being a President?
What makes you say Putin is fidgeting and nervous? Everything I have seen looks like in his mind he is making a fool of Biden.
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: AsherO on March 19, 2021, 12:31:29 PM
When it comes to geopolitics Putin is light years ahead of Biden.
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: aygart on March 19, 2021, 01:05:55 PM
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: aygart on March 19, 2021, 01:31:26 PM
How about a stair climb contest
Now you killed it.
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: grodnoking on March 19, 2021, 01:43:34 PM
Now you killed it.
Oh lol I totally missed the joke. I'll go delete that.
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: Jellybelly on March 19, 2021, 02:16:50 PM
Putin is a killer, Trump is a puppet, and Biden is a President. Debating the head of a mafia cartel is way beneath the dignity of an American President, he should tell Putin we only debate leaders of major powers and definitely not allow him to dictate the day.

Putin is nervous and fidgeting, exactly what Biden wanted.
How can we expect him to stand up to our enemies if he’s having issues just standing up
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: Kobe Bryant on March 19, 2021, 03:16:29 PM
Russian officials are calling for an apology from the United States and threatening a response after President Biden said that he believes Russian President Vladimir Putin is a “killer.” 

Konstantin Kosachyov, the deputy chairman of the Russian parliament’s upper house, called Biden’s comment’s “unacceptable,” according to multiple reports on Thursday.

Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: Kobe Bryant on March 19, 2021, 03:17:14 PM
How can we expect him to stand up to our enemies if he’s having issues just standing up
(https://i.postimg.cc/zvKdmsMm/7-E5-C7235-5-E10-4-E08-8948-17-D8-DAFCA232.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xNjGM4ng)
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: shapsam on March 19, 2021, 03:17:43 PM
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: shapsam on March 19, 2021, 03:20:18 PM
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: Jellybelly on March 19, 2021, 05:43:05 PM
I’ve been trying very hard to come up with a way for @PlatinumGuy to explain Biden’s fall in the steps today. The best mehalech I have right now is שבע יפול צדיק וקם , it’s clear proof that he’s a צדיק!
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: aygart on March 19, 2021, 06:02:38 PM
Honestly, it really is no big deal that he tripped.
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: Jellybelly on March 19, 2021, 06:05:46 PM
Honestly, it really is no big deal that he tripped.
You might have a point, but go back to Biden’s own words when Trump had to hold onto a railing when he was on a slippery ramp.
In addition there are obvious concerns about his health and this only adds to those suspicions.
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: aygart on March 19, 2021, 06:07:14 PM
You might have a point, but go back to Biden’s own words when Trump had to hold onto a railing when he was on a slippery ramp.
In addition there are obvious concerns about his health and this only adds to those suspicions.
So we have another example of a politician taking advantage of stupidity? Amazing.
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: zh cohen on March 19, 2021, 06:18:22 PM
Honestly, it really is no big deal that he tripped.

Fact check: Mostly true though his repeated stumbling as he tries to recover is hard to watch. Also, them trying to blame it on the wind that according to weather reports was a "Mild breeze" is funny.

So we have another example of a politician taking advantage of stupidity? Amazing.

More like an example of holding a politician to the standard that he himself set.
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: aygart on March 19, 2021, 06:19:34 PM




More like an example of holding a politician to the standard that he himself set.
Lol
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 20, 2021, 03:17:39 PM
It's extremely silly to be dismissive of foreign leaders because "they're killers".
Nobody dismissed Putin.
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: aygart on March 20, 2021, 09:09:15 PM
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fords-clumsiness/

What are the odds that SNL calls Harris a banana peel away from the presidency?
Title: Re: Biden Vs Putin
Post by: Kobe Bryant on March 22, 2021, 12:20:11 PM
The Kremlin announced that  Biden called Putin, but he did not take his call.
Title: Re: Biden Vs Putin
Post by: Jellybelly on March 22, 2021, 12:27:11 PM
The Kremlin announced that  Biden called Putin, but he did not take his call.
To quote @PlatinumGuy

Putin is nervous and fidgeting, exactly what Biden wanted
😂😂😂
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: aygart on March 22, 2021, 12:27:12 PM
The Kremlin announced that  Biden called Putin, but he did not take his call.
Is it just me or is Putin summoning his Ambassador for consultations and then begging Biden for a (zoom) meeting a total capitulation on his part?
Still seems desperate if not as conciliatory.
, he knows exactly what he's doing. Putin is nervous and fidgeting. He called his Ambassador back and is trying to shift the pressure back to Biden, but it won't work.
Putin is nervous and fidgeting, exactly what Biden wanted.
LOL

Whether or not the phone call actually happened is anyones guess, but the announcement itself doesn't sound fidgety.
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: Jellybelly on March 22, 2021, 12:31:42 PM
LOL

Whether or not the phone call actually happened is anyones guess, but the announcement itself doesn't sound fidgety.
It’s very possible that it didn’t happen, but one thing is certain, they know what they’re doing!
I’m curious to see how the kremlin escalates this.
More dangerous flyovers over ships and planes or worse?
I’m sure they’re gonna be working with China on how to take advantage of this opportunity.
Title: Re: Biden Vs Putin
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 22, 2021, 03:33:53 PM
The Kremlin announced that  Biden called Putin, but he did not take his call.
Source? Google and twitter searches show nothing and it's not on RT

The idea that Biden would just call Putin without it being pre-arranged is ludicrous

To quote @PlatinumGuy

Putin is nervous and fidgeting, exactly what Biden wanted
😂😂😂
I guess now it's the American "Patriots" that are fidgeting and just making things up
Title: Re: Biden Vs Putin
Post by: Luvisrael on March 22, 2021, 03:44:00 PM
Source? Google and twitter searches show nothing and it's not on RT

The idea that Biden would just call Putin without it being pre-arranged is ludicrous
I guess now it's the American "Patriots" that are fidgeting and just making things up
he probably forgot the number to theKremlin
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: yesitsme on March 23, 2021, 07:19:44 AM
Source? Google and twitter searches show nothing and it's not on RT

The idea that Biden would just call Putin without it being pre-arranged is ludicrous
I guess now it's the American "Patriots" that are fidgeting and just making things up
Perhaps they banned the journalists with such reports
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 23, 2021, 07:25:55 AM
Perhaps they banned the journalists with such reports
Yeah, RT banned ‘journalists’ who broadcast the Kremlins message. Do you seriously believe that?
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: Jellybelly on March 30, 2021, 09:58:24 PM
It’s very possible that it didn’t happen, but one thing is certain, they know what they’re doing!
I’m curious to see how the kremlin escalates this.
More dangerous flyovers over ships and planes or worse?
I’m sure they’re gonna be working with China on how to take advantage of this opportunity.
Looks like they’re not wasting anytime
The West is getting very nervous about the build up of Russian Forces on the border with Ukraine.
The US European Command raised the threat level from possible to potential imminent crisis
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: PlatinumGuy on April 15, 2021, 01:07:49 AM
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: zh cohen on April 16, 2021, 03:14:42 PM
Will Ben Sasse pay a political price for demanding Russians in "body bags" based on the bounty story for which there was at the very best inconclusive evidence?
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: zh cohen on April 17, 2021, 10:59:49 PM
Biden caves to Putin - https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/15/us-navy-ukraine-russia-tensions-481897

Interesting to note that this article does not mention the fact (included in the Reuters article they link) that the Russians warned the US not to send in the ships.
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: grodnoking on April 17, 2021, 11:33:14 PM
Biden caves to Putin - https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/15/us-navy-ukraine-russia-tensions-481897

Interesting to note that this article does not mention the fact (included in the Reuters article they link) that the Russians warned the US not to send in the ships.
@PlatinumGuy
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: PlatinumGuy on April 18, 2021, 06:14:28 AM
Biden caves to Putin - https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/15/us-navy-ukraine-russia-tensions-481897
UK to do it instead

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/uk-warships-sail-black-sea-may-ukraine-russia-tensions-rise-sunday-times-2021-04-18/
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: Jellybelly on April 18, 2021, 09:07:32 AM
UK to do it instead

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/uk-warships-sail-black-sea-may-ukraine-russia-tensions-rise-sunday-times-2021-04-18/
Ah, back to the lead from behind doctrine?
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: PlatinumGuy on April 18, 2021, 10:32:09 AM
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: Kobe Bryant on April 18, 2021, 10:45:35 AM
Ah, back to the lead from behind doctrine?
Get used to it for the next few years.
Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: Kobe Bryant on April 18, 2021, 10:53:29 AM
Russia continued to ramp up its military presence in the Black Sea over the weekend as two more warships and 15 smaller vessels moved to the waterway amid heightened tensions between Washington and Moscow. 

More naval reinforcements – including landing ships from the Baltic fleet – are expected to arrive at the Black Sea in the coming days to support the thousands of troops and armored vehicles already in position near Russia’s eastern border with Ukraine.

The Biden administration last Thursday scrubbed sending two US warships to the Black Sea after the Kremlin warned “stay away for your own good” to the deployment.

Title: Re: US vs Russia
Post by: PlatinumGuy on April 20, 2021, 03:01:18 PM
Worked, at least for now