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Title: New iPhone 3G
Post by: sternlight on June 11, 2008, 01:52:56 AM
If you already have an iPhone on AT&T, check your account on their web site. Mine says i will be eligible for an upgrade next month, and the date is about a year after I first bought the previous model. No word yet about upgrade price. There is, however, a statement elsewhere that if you already have a contract you can get the new model at the announced price with your contract running two years from the start, not the end of the old contract.

So clearly AT&T is planning to offer something to existing iPhone customers who want to upgrade. I'm sure they'll figure out the full details before the July 11 rollout.

As to the many discussions about "should I upgrade?", the big improvements are iPhone software 2.0 and Apple's upgraded dot mac aka "me.com", and both will work fine on existing iPhones after July 11. If 3G and GPS are worth the extra cost of both upgrading and paying an additional $10 a month for 3G speeds, by all means upgrade; if not, don't, but don't whine about it; rocks are hard, water is wet, and the 3G iPhone and AT&T are what they are
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: Scrable on June 11, 2008, 02:21:14 PM
If you already have an iPhone on AT&T, check your account on their web site. Mine says i will be eligible for an upgrade next month, and the date is about a year after I first bought the previous model. No word yet about upgrade price. There is, however, a statement elsewhere that if you already have a contract you can get the new model at the announced price with your contract running two years from the start, not the end of the old contract.

So clearly AT&T is planning to offer something to existing iPhone customers who want to upgrade. I'm sure they'll figure out the full details before the July 11 rollout.

As to the many discussions about "should I upgrade?", the big improvements are iPhone software 2.0 and Apple's upgraded dot mac aka "me.com", and both will work fine on existing iPhones after July 11. If 3G and GPS are worth the extra cost of both upgrading and paying an additional $10 a month for 3G speeds, by all means upgrade; if not, don't, but don't whine about it; rocks are hard, water is wet, and the 3G iPhone and AT&T are what they are
I dont think ATT will give it to you for any cheaper then $199 for the 8gb, tho the mane part is you wont need to extend the contract i think, now for $199 it's so worth the upgrade, and if you use .mac for sure it's worth it push e-mail that's great, plus GPS, but the extra $10 a month it's all up2u.
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: Zoli on June 12, 2008, 02:34:29 PM
What I've heard is that you won't get it any cheaper (mostly because AT&T is subsidizing it in the first place) but you will be able to keep your current data and voice plan (they're increasing the data to $30 a month with no text messages from $20 with 200 text messages).
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: yid on June 25, 2008, 10:20:52 PM
apple stores currently sell the current 8gb iphone model for $400 dollars without a contract. anyone know if apple will sell the new iphone without a contract and at what price?
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: Smirk on June 25, 2008, 11:08:02 PM
i am thinking of getting the new 3g iphone, i have the blackberry curve now, and i type on it alot, anyone here have the iphone and email alot? is it hard to type?
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: Scrable on June 25, 2008, 11:32:31 PM
i am thinking of getting the new 3g iphone, i have the blackberry curve now, and i type on it alot, anyone here have the iphone and email alot? is it hard to type?
Well a real keyboard is always better, but i always use my Ipod touch for e-mail long emails and after about 2 weeks it was great.
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: Smirk on June 26, 2008, 02:19:51 AM
Well a real keyboard is always better, but i always use my Ipod touch for e-mail long emails and after about 2 weeks it was great.
when i was in the store and tried it out i kept hitting the wrong letters by mistake, im told its pretty intelligent and will adjust, is this true?
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: Eli on June 26, 2008, 04:15:59 PM
Well a real keyboard is always better, but i always use my Ipod touch for e-mail long emails and after about 2 weeks it was great.

I don't own the iPhone but I've spoken to many people who have, and the ones that switched over from BB to iPhone were very unhappy with the typing situation.
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: Scrable on June 26, 2008, 06:02:44 PM
I don't own the iPhone but I've spoken to many people who have, and the ones that switched over from BB to iPhone were very unhappy with the typing situation.
Duh! of curse thy wont be happy cause thy always had a keyboard and thy lost it. its like i lost my centro now im stuck using some old crappy phone, tho the iPhone is not crappy.  yes it dose have it's dictionary which will corect your spelling in most cases, tho after using it for a while it will add some words that you use allot and make it easier to type.
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: nfsnyc on June 27, 2008, 02:20:27 AM
apple stores currently sell the current 8gb iphone model for $400 dollars without a contract. anyone know if apple will sell the new iphone without a contract and at what price?

I heard a rumor they will sell it for $299 w/o contract, but its from an unverifiable source.
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: Dan on June 27, 2008, 09:50:21 AM
I heard a rumor they will sell it for $299 w/o contract, but its from an unverifiable source.
I highly doubt that.
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: E on June 27, 2008, 10:06:16 AM
i am thinking of getting the new 3g iphone, i have the blackberry curve now, and i type on it alot, anyone here have the iphone and email alot? is it hard to type?
yes it is hard to type if you plan on writing long emails its not a good choice it does get easier after using it allot but it doesnt compare to a real keyboard
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: Eli on June 27, 2008, 10:56:26 AM
C'mon guys, Google Is Your Friend (GIYF). A simple search brings up this page showing the release date and prices for the iPhone 3g (http://gizmodo.com/5014675/the-3g-iphone-is-official--july-11th-starting-at-199)

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It hits stores in the US and over 70 other countries on July 11th. Here it will costs $199 for the 8GB version, and $299 for the 16GB one (in black and white).
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: Dan on June 27, 2008, 12:05:59 PM
C'mon guys, Google Is Your Friend (GIYF). A simple search brings up this page showing the release date and prices for the iPhone 3g (http://gizmodo.com/5014675/the-3g-iphone-is-official--july-11th-starting-at-199)

Yes, but that's with a 2 year contract.
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: Scrable on June 27, 2008, 02:21:32 PM
I heard a rumor they will sell it for $299 w/o contract, but its from an unverifiable source.
Apple is not really charging $199 ATT is charging that price, Apple is making over $500 on a phone as far as it says online at least. In this game Apple is going to play like its competitors and just get market share and let ATT pat the high price. In fact look at the $199 price tag, do you realize that you will be paying an extra $10 a month times that by 24 months a whopping $240 which now has yoru phone at $439. As far as thy are trying thy are not making a price without a contract, there will be a price to extend your contract which can be $299 but dont forget the extra $10 a month. In most cases if you want to try to unlock it you will need to buy it and then pay a cancellation fee, or maybe cancle with in 30 days and not send back the phone just dont get your money back i guess.
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: Dan on June 27, 2008, 02:26:37 PM
Insiders have said that ATT pays Apple $18/month per iphone user.

There's good reason why Apple doesn't sell an unlocked iphone!
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: Smirk on June 30, 2008, 01:32:13 PM
7 Problems with the new iphone
http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/96283
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: Scrable on June 30, 2008, 01:40:43 PM
Insiders have said that ATT pays Apple $18/month per iphone user.

There's good reason why Apple doesn't sell an unlocked iphone!
Dan with the 1st gen iPhone ATT paid Apple every month for each iPhone owner that activated it, and it was more then $18 a month, but those days ATT did not pay Apple that price for the iPhone, but now ATT pays Apple more up front and dose not give a commission, the way it is with iPhone 3G thy get $100 for each activation, im not sure if thats every activation or just the ones from the Apple stores.
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: Zoli on June 30, 2008, 03:02:38 PM
You can look at it like this:

$199    for iPhone 3G
$ 36    to activate
$ 80    approximate, one month service plus taxes
$170    Early Termination Fee
That adds up to about $485 + tax for a 8 GB ($585 + tax for 16 GB)

This seems about right for the unsubsidized (contract free) price:
$499 for the 8GB
$599 for the 16GB
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: Smirk on June 30, 2008, 09:28:25 PM
You can look at it like this:

$199    for iPhone 3G
$ 36    to activate
$ 80    approximate, one month service plus taxes
$170    Early Termination Fee
That adds up to about $485 + tax for a 8 GB ($585 + tax for 16 GB)

This seems about right for the unsubsidized (contract free) price:
$499 for the 8GB
$599 for the 16GB
plus the extra $10 a month for the data plan
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: E on June 30, 2008, 11:23:36 PM
7 Problems with the new iphone
http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/96283
all these "problems" are things apple is waiting to put on so they could sell more later
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: Scrable on July 01, 2008, 12:51:42 AM
You can look at it like this:

$199    for iPhone 3G
$ 36    to activate
$ 80    approximate, one month service plus taxes
$170    Early Termination Fee
That adds up to about $485 + tax for a 8 GB ($585 + tax for 16 GB)

This seems about right for the unsubsidized (contract free) price:
$499 for the 8GB
$599 for the 16GB
Im not sure about the fact that thy will sell it without a contract, unless your talking about an upgrade from the first iPhone if your not done 2 years (Well duh!) i dont think that will be the price.

1st if you upgrade ty will make you get the extra $10 for 3G speed anyway.
2nd if it cost $199 now and you sign up and pay the fee to cancel it will cost about $400, so im thinking for current iPhone owners the price will run about $299 to $399 for the 8GB +$100 for 16GB model, but nothing is for sure until Apple/ATT will tell us.
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: nfsnyc on July 01, 2008, 02:32:24 AM
This might be a dumb question, but dont you have to return the phone if you cancel the contract??? I remember with sprint I had a contract and then canceled within 30 days, but had to return everything, is this not the case??? (Had it with AT&T too, back when it was AT&T analog or whatever it was called lol).
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: Zoli on July 01, 2008, 11:33:46 AM
AT&T Just posted all the details:

http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/specials/iphone-info.jsp

If you are an AT&T customer who does not qualify for the upgrade pricing, you can get the 8 GB iPhone 3G for $399.99 and the 16 GB iPhone 3G for $499.99 -- or a $200 premium. A two-year contract must still be signed.

AT&T has also announced that the iPhone 3G will be available at 8 a.m. on Friday, July 11, 2008 at AT&T retail stores.

Even more exciting -- for the contract-averse among us -- AT&T states:

"Coming soon, AT&T will offer a no-commitment option of $599 for 8GB and $699 for 16GB."
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: Scrable on July 01, 2008, 12:29:21 PM
This might be a dumb question, but dont you have to return the phone if you cancel the contract??? I remember with sprint I had a contract and then canceled within 30 days, but had to return everything, is this not the case??? (Had it with AT&T too, back when it was AT&T analog or whatever it was called lol).
Well just dont send it and get charged for it, or just cancel on the 31st day
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: nfsnyc on July 01, 2008, 12:47:14 PM
Well just dont send it and get charged for it, or just cancel on the 31st day

Lol DUH! I wrote that at 2am, feel stupid now. You return the phone only if you cancel without any fee's or restrictions, wow I was spaced out..
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: Smirk on July 01, 2008, 01:29:45 PM
How to be ready to switch to the the iphone
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: Smirk on July 01, 2008, 06:56:31 PM
ATT said today you can buy the 3g iphone with no contract for $599 & $699
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: Eli on July 01, 2008, 09:02:45 PM
all these "problems" are things apple is waiting to put on so they could sell more later

People said that last time. This is the new version.
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: Mordy on July 02, 2008, 12:07:31 PM
Eli, the truth is, whether this was pre-meditated or not, people who bought iPhones at its release two years ago are again going gaga over a new one because it has 3G.

If they had released the original one with 3G (like every other phone that costs more than $50), they wouldn't have this surge for the second generation.

Now, whether this was done on purpose to boost sales later, or if it was simply an oversight on Apples part to release a phone (with specs a generation old), is something only Apple knows for sure.

The same could be said for all these other missing features. Oh, you want an iphone that also has a flash and video recorder? Gosh, well ok, here's a NEW iphone, spend your money again!

Its clever marketing, I'll give them that. But its a game people like me don't have time to play and that's part of the reason I'm not at all interested in this phone.
Even when the original iPhone came out, I said I'd rather get a "free with contract" phone that has video recording, 3G, Stereo Bluetooth (a2dp) support, MMS and spare batteries for those long trips.
At least the iPhone has 3G now. Still doesn't make me want one.
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: Smirk on July 02, 2008, 12:42:03 PM
There are rumors out there that in a year from now apple will make a new iphone with a sliding hardware keyboard under the touch screen.
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: Mordy on July 02, 2008, 02:17:43 PM
Will they also claim that they invented that?

Sliding keyboard on a phone! An Apple Innovation!!!
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: Eli on July 02, 2008, 06:29:42 PM
Its clever marketing, I'll give them that. But its a game people like me don't have time to play and that's part of the reason I'm not at all interested in this phone.

Kinda like the BB Curve. The t-mobile version has Wi-Fi, the Cingular version has GPS, and only the Bold will have both built in. So you can have your cake, and locate it too!
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: Mordy on July 02, 2008, 09:43:18 PM
Exactly. Marketing ruins the consumer market, that's why I'm a big advocate of open source hardware as well as software- let the users build and design their device!

Sadly, this concept was attempted, the openMoko handset. Running an embedded linux system on modular hardware, the concept never took off without a proper carrier to back it. There are tons of glowing reviews about it, but sadly without the community support, open source is useless.

I'd love to see Google's Android platform do something like that though, since Google has the instant fanbase to push something open into being successful.
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: E on July 02, 2008, 10:57:04 PM
Exactly. Marketing ruins the consumer market, that's why I'm a big advocate of open source hardware as well as software- let the users build and design their device!

Sadly, this concept was attempted, the openMoko handset. Running an embedded linux system on modular hardware, the concept never took off without a proper carrier to back it. There are tons of glowing reviews about it, but sadly without the community support, open source is useless.

I'd love to see Google's Android platform do something like that though, since Google has the instant fanbase to push something open into being successful.
the openmoko looks like its coming out pretty soon july 4! http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/openmoko-neo-freerunner-available-for-order-july-4-shipping-jul/
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: Smirk on July 03, 2008, 12:37:41 AM
Exactly. Marketing ruins the consumer market, that's why I'm a big advocate of open source hardware as well as software- let the users build and design their device!
hahaha marketing not only doesnt ruin the consumer market, it makes it!
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: Dan on July 03, 2008, 11:25:05 AM
This is insane:
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/ByteOfTheApple/blog/archives/2008/07/att_iphone_pric.html

$90 for the cheapest iphone plan with free sms???

Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: Eli on July 03, 2008, 11:50:37 AM
Wow, do you realize how insane that is? I hate when they do this whole "Enterprise Data" thing. It's absolutely ridiculous. Blackberry does it also.

I can connect to 30 different gmail accounts and watch as many youtube videos as I want on a regular iPhone plan and pay $30 for unlimited internet, but if I want to connect to my exchange server, which uses maybe at most a few MB's extra of overhead over an entire month (besides for the e-mails themselves), it's now gonna cost me $45 for the unlimited data plan.

But with everyone browsing the web and watching videos on their phones these days, there is absolutely no reason to charge more for Enterprise Data. It could very well be (and it probably is this way) that the teenager connecting to his gmail account is using hundreds more MB's per month than the executive who is connecting to his exchange server.

Why are companies so short-sighted?
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: Dan on July 03, 2008, 11:59:27 AM
But with everyone browsing the web and watching videos on their phones these days, there is absolutely no reason to charge more for Enterprise Data. It could very well be (and it probably is this way) that the teenager connecting to his gmail account is using hundreds more MB's per month than the executive who is connecting to his exchange server.
Because the executives aren't paying the $45 out of their pocket, and will get it regardless of the cost!
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: Eli on July 03, 2008, 12:11:35 PM
What about me, who uses an exchange server and is not an executive. I've heard from someone that the $15 extra will only be applied to business users, not to regular users, and AT&T cannot tell whether you are using an exchange server or not.

Too bad I am on a business plan. How else would I be getting my 25% discount every month?
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: Mordy on July 03, 2008, 12:20:08 PM
Because the executives aren't paying the $45 out of their pocket, and will get it regardless of the cost!

^ Yes! They can and will charge what they want, regardless of how many MB's you need. Its more a matter of "what will people pay for this service" more than a set price for what you get.

They justify it as a "different tier of service", in other words you're supposed to get better service (sometimes a different APN with server dedicated for business folk who won't get lagged data sharing traffic servers with all the teenage consumers watching youtube), but in reality most people won't notice any difference, if one even exists.

the openmoko looks like its coming out pretty soon july 4! http://www.engadget.com/2008/07/02/openmoko-neo-freerunner-available-for-order-july-4-shipping-jul/

No, OpenMoko has been out a while already. The FreeRunner is their latest handset which replaces the Neo 1973 which was hyped about in linux magazines over a year ago.
What's that? You didn't know about that?
Exactly. No one did, unless you've been following the phone industry very closely.

That's the problem, OpenMoko doesn't have a large enough community backing it to give it the oomph that an open-source project needs. Its nice that they're releasing a new phone with some nifty new features (motion sensors, etc), but that's still not enough to make this an acceptable alternative to any smartphone for anyone other an the elitist hax0rs, who only want it for bragging rights.

That's where Google Android might step in and save the day (since everything Google does has an instant fan following and media buzz), but we'll see about that.
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: Scrable on July 03, 2008, 04:25:15 PM
This is insane:
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/ByteOfTheApple/blog/archives/2008/07/att_iphone_pric.html

$90 for the cheapest iphone plan with free sms???


100% insane, i like the Sprint $99 simply everything plan and look what you get there for the Instinct, tho i have the not kosher unlimited min plan.

But remember that most people buying the iPhone would pay the old $399 price, but for the rest of the people thy are letting you pay that out monthly by the extra $10 for 3G data speeds.

Now in a way what makes it not insane if i get a line for $39 from ATT and theng et an iPhone what will the iPhone b worth with no internet? Just an iPod with wi-fi, which is why the high price with out a contract may be for the case where you don't want internet, or simply unlock it and then get any plan you want with any sim you want.
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: Smirk on July 03, 2008, 04:41:26 PM
google released a gmail chat app for the iphone
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: Scrable on July 03, 2008, 05:01:44 PM
google released a gmail chat app for the iphone
Yes thy did i used it b4 on my iPod touch, it's not to great, i think thy can do better. And also it's a web app which is not to great.
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: Smirk on July 03, 2008, 08:55:21 PM
Yes thy did i used it b4 on my iPod touch, it's not to great, i think thy can do better. And also it's a web app which is not to great.
exactly and since its web based, and since safari has its moods and shuts down when it feel, your convo's will get shut too
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: Eli on July 04, 2008, 12:57:37 AM
The iPhone is awesome and the iPhone sucks. But I think the sucks outweighs the awesome. I would be in 7th heaven if only there were a 3G, WM6.1, flip-phone for GSM. Until then I'm stuck with my Cingular 3125.
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: Mordy on July 07, 2008, 02:24:28 PM
Eli, sadly the smartflip/3125/StarTrk was considered a failure by HTC.
I'm with you, man- that was the BEST form factor a smartphone has ever had.
For those of you that aren't familiar with it- Its a Windows Mobile Smartphone that is approximately the same size and shape as the Moto Razr.

(http://www.mobilitywatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/cingular%203125.jpg)

So, it effectively blurred the lines for people who didn't want a smartphone or higher end device because of the size and bulk. Problem is, people don't look at it and think "smartphone", despite the fact that it ran Windows Mobile 5.0.
They looked at it and saw a Moto Razr clone with some nifty features. Meanwhile, those looking for smartphones settled for Qwerty devices like the Blackberry or Palm Treos.
The same thing happened to the HTC Tornado (SDA, 2125, sp5m, etc), a device resembling your standard fare Nokia or classic Sony Ericsson phone, yet also surprisingly was a full blown Windows Mobile PDA, complete with WiFi. When I had this phone, my blackberry weilding coworkers and friends would look and scoff- "Mordy, I thought you were into phones... why are carrying around that bland little dinky thing?".
They were totally overlooked and under-marketed for what they were.
As a result, HTC's marketing team seems to be shifting away from thinking outside the box, trying to make more "traditional" shaped devices that sell better since they are recognizably different than standard fare phones.

Its a shame, Eli. Keep your 3125 as long as you can because I doubt anything better will ever come out to replace it as far as features vs. size. At least not in this market... Look, even the iPhone gets bigger with each generation!

Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: nfsnyc on July 07, 2008, 05:40:23 PM
No offense, but the 3125 was rather slow (in my opinion). And (this is purely personal preference) I find WM WAY easier to use with a touch screen. (MDA/8125 WING/8525 8925). Not to mention the keypad was horrible, especially if using WM functionalities such as composing E-Mails and writing Word Documents.

Not to mention that with WM you want as big a screen as possible, I mean to truly use WM you'll want to be able see Word documents and things like that easily.

But youre right, I cant think of a a flip windows mobile phone to beat the 3125...then again I cant really think of more than one other flip WM phone lol. (Infamous i930).
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: mancunian on July 09, 2008, 04:29:26 PM
does anyone know how i would open a buisness plan w/ att? i took a look @ them and they offer 20000 minuets and up to 40 lines for $1000 (+$10/line). are they going to look at my credit score to aprove me? it doesnt make sense that they would for a buisness plan, i have a friend w/ a normal credit score who couldnt get 10 lines on a sprint family plan. if anyone knows anything pls let me know.

also, if u have a att plan u should be able to get as many iphones as u want lchura, if u say u lost it wont they just let u buy a new one at $199?
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: Mordy on July 10, 2008, 12:24:28 PM
no, $199 is a subsidized price. If you lost it, and don't pay for insurance, they'll charge you full retail for the phone ($500+ I think)
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: Eli on July 10, 2008, 06:48:58 PM
hello everyone. We are in venice and i am typing this msg from an iphone 3g.
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: Eli on July 10, 2008, 08:57:43 PM
just wanted to update you guys. I was using the iPhone 3g in the store and the guy told me I had to give others a chance. I tested it with my Cingular sim and it worked which means it's unlocked. Pretty cool that the EU version comes unlocked. I would love to buy a bunch and sell it on ebay but the truth is that tmobile doesn't have 3g anyway so it wouldn't do anyone in the states any good. Let me know if you have any questions.

And for the ppl who have the old version, you can now upgrade the firmwAre to 2.0 although you will not get 3g just the new features, one of which is Exchange Activesync.
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: Mordy on July 11, 2008, 10:29:22 AM
Yes, a freind of mine who works for Microsoft gave me the whole rundown of activesync for iPhone about 4 months ago.

I was shocked that MS decided to give Apple one of the things that put Windows Mobile ahead of other mobile OSs...
Well, congrats, iPhone... you're finally a Smartphone. Hey, BB fans- how's it feel that the iPhone is actually a more capable device than your blackberry now?
heh...
http://www.mopocket.com/2008/07/happy-iphone-day-to-all.php (http://www.mopocket.com/2008/07/happy-iphone-day-to-all.php)
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: stevenk on July 11, 2008, 12:30:49 PM
Can I get the Iphone without the data plan?
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: Mordy on July 11, 2008, 01:01:35 PM
The subsidized price is for a 2 year contract with the iphone plan.

If you don't want the plan, you have to pay full retail price, which I'm guessing is a few hundred.
Title: Re: New iPhone 3G
Post by: E on July 19, 2008, 11:20:53 PM
iphone 3g jailbroken!!!  ;D http://thebigboss.org/repofiles/nonrepo/PwnageTool_2.0.zip