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Title: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: aryeh1 on March 27, 2012, 01:09:29 PM
All the info is correct.
Title: Re: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Ergel on March 27, 2012, 01:10:29 PM
All the info is correct.
just ask nicely
Title: Re: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: AJK on March 27, 2012, 01:11:31 PM
just ask nicely

Yep. That should do it.

Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: AJK on March 27, 2012, 01:11:52 PM
@OP, any chance it was within 5 minutes of the deadline?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: aryeh1 on March 27, 2012, 01:14:10 PM
My wife got 2 two days in a row ( dont ask me how). They were both 15 min after.
Title: Re: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: aryeh1 on March 27, 2012, 01:17:38 PM
just ask nicely
Seriously, by writing a letter and asking nicely for it to be removed?
Title: Re: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: AJK on March 27, 2012, 01:19:27 PM
Seriously, by writing a letter and asking nicely for it to be removed?

Maybe I should have put a " ::) " on my first comment above... (seems to be all the rage these days anyway).
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: aryeh1 on March 27, 2012, 02:06:56 PM
Am i better off giving it to one of these places that fight tickets? I've never tried that before.
Title: Re: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Ergel on March 27, 2012, 02:13:54 PM
Am i better off giving it to one of these places that fight tickets? I've never tried that before.
It's sure to cost you more than $90. Maybe just pay it?
Title: Re: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: bubkiz on March 27, 2012, 02:23:01 PM
It's sure to cost you more than $90. Maybe just pay it?
The "fighters" charge half the amount that they save you (no fee if unsuccessful).
Title: Re: Re: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Ergel on March 27, 2012, 02:30:17 PM
The "fighters" charge half the amount that they save you (no fee if unsuccessful).
Would they take a case like this?
Title: Re: Re: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: bubkiz on March 27, 2012, 02:33:30 PM
Would they take a case like this?
I think the wa y they work is you fax them the ticket and any excuse you may have and they'll tell you if they'll take it.
Title: Re: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: AJK on March 27, 2012, 02:44:07 PM
It's sure to cost you more than $90. Maybe just pay it?

-1

As has been mentioned, these types of places will charge you half of what the fine would be if they are successful. If not, you don't pay a dime.

The above opportunity would be the downside for "asking nicely."
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: aryeh1 on March 27, 2012, 03:07:28 PM
Dont you need evidence to why you aren't guilty ? I'm not sure if you can just ask nicely and the ticket will be dismissed, its not like your dealing with a credit card company , where you just ask nicely and you get what you want.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: AJK on March 27, 2012, 03:10:24 PM
Dont you need evidence to why you aren't guilty ? I'm not sure if you can just ask nicely and the ticket will be dismissed, its not like your dealing with a credit card company , where you just ask nicely and you get what you want.

What are you responding to? Using the "quote" feature makes it much clearer.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Avid Reader on March 27, 2012, 07:27:14 PM
Dont you need evidence to why you aren't guilty ? I'm not sure if you can just ask nicely and the ticket will be dismissed, its not like your dealing with a credit card company , where you just ask nicely and you get what you want.
The ask nicely was a joke. No such thing with NYC.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Avid Reader on March 27, 2012, 07:28:27 PM
Am i better off giving it to one of these places that fight tickets? I've never tried that before.
Yes.
It's sure to cost you more than $90. Maybe just pay it?
Incorrect.
I think the wa y they work is you fax them the ticket and any excuse you may have and they'll tell you if they'll take it.
+1
You don't even need a defense (excuse).
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: aryeh1 on March 27, 2012, 09:02:58 PM
The ask nicely was a joke. No such thing with NYC.
Ya I was thinking the same, not in ny.

Yes.Incorrect.+1
You don't even need a defense (excuse).

Do you recommend anyone , I never really used any of them. I remember seeing somewhere wefightparkingtickets.com- I think
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Avid Reader on March 28, 2012, 12:51:04 PM


Do you recommend anyone , I never really used any of them. I remember seeing somewhere wefightparkingtickets.com- I think
So far I never used any of them, I just handled the tickets on my own. I"m about to use one now though, so we'll find out how they do.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: cozmohoot on March 28, 2012, 02:55:39 PM
i just used a heimeshe one and they got me off a fire hydrant ticket!
cost me half the amount of ticket
i used parking expert Tel. 718.384.5052

Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: aryeh1 on March 30, 2012, 02:24:35 PM
So far I never used any of them, I just handled the tickets on my own. I"m about to use one now though, so we'll find out how they do.
which?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: aryeh1 on April 01, 2012, 02:47:05 PM
Now I have 3 street cleaning tickets.. Whats my best way to fight them?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Shmelly on April 01, 2012, 05:07:53 PM
Now I have 3 street cleaning tickets.. Whats my best way to fight them?
Take away your wife's keys.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Drago on April 01, 2012, 05:19:14 PM
Now I have 3 street cleaning tickets.. Whats my best way to fight them?
Become a fugitive from justice, and live on the lam, or an assumed identity.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: aryeh1 on April 02, 2012, 12:06:20 AM
Take away your wife's keys.

+100
lol that will save me a lot of $$
They were all in 1 week..
How did you know?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: real-brisker on April 02, 2012, 09:58:35 AM
Take away your wife's keys.
Whats that gonna help, he's gonna get tickets everyday instead of just some. :)
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Drago on April 02, 2012, 05:15:20 PM
Whats that gonna help, he's gonna get tickets everyday instead of just some. :)

Side note, but with a name like real-brisker, you have a large reputation to uphold.
:)
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: real-brisker on April 02, 2012, 11:27:04 PM
Side note, but with a name like real-brisker, you have a large reputation to uphold.
:)
Huh? What does it have to do with what you quoted?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Drago on April 03, 2012, 02:53:04 AM
Huh? What does it have to do with what you quoted?

You're right, I had no need to quote you. I was just commenting on your name.

Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: real-brisker on April 03, 2012, 08:54:38 AM
You're right, I had no need to quote you. I was just commenting on your name.
Alright, got it.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Champ365 on April 03, 2012, 03:08:12 PM
My lovely wife got me 3 parking tickets in 2 weeks, your not alone. Unfortunately I already paid them, this posting couldve saved me a nice amount of $$.

On another note, would the fighting tickets via those mentioned work for tint? I'm sitting on two tickets....
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on June 16, 2014, 09:25:07 PM
Got a ticket when I was in town for shevuous.  In the old days I would just plea bargain it and pay it, but since they stopped that program, I may as well get my five minutes of kicks out of writing reasons for it to be dismissed.

Here's the first idea that popped into my head, which I just submitted.   I hope they don't read ddf.

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I respectfully request that this ticket be dismissed because the ticket does not state information sufficient to state a claim of violation, and in all events there is insufficient evidence as to a violation of the law.

The ticket says that the car was parked in the alternate side zone at exactly 10:36 AM, which is exactly 1 minute after the 5 minute grace period expires, and only 6 minutes after the posted "no parking" goes into effect.  Thus, if the time was a mere ONE minute fast, the ticket is invalid, and if it was a mere SIX minutes fast, then parking there was not even illegal.

Everyone knows that it is quite easy for a watch to be off by one minute, and also easy for a device that is not regularly calibrated to be off by six minutes.  The ticket does not state if the time was obtained through the scanning device, or perhaps from the traffic officer's watch, or by radioing in and asking the dispatcher, or perhaps even by guesstimating. 

Certainly the officer's guesstimating the time is insufficient to state a claim of violation, and the ticket does not state how else the time was obtained--thus no violation is alleged.  Moreover, if the time was in fact obtained from a device, the ticket does not state how or when such device was calibrated to the correct time--thus, there is insufficient evidence of violation. 

If the city wishes to pursue this action, I request the maintenance logs for the scanning device including how often and when it was tested for timing accuracy, as well as the maintenance logs for all other devices carried by the agent for use in telling time.

Because of the foregoing, I respectfully request that this ticket be dismissed.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: TimT on June 16, 2014, 09:26:55 PM
Got a ticket when I was in town for shevuous.  In the old days I would just plea bargain it and pay it, but since they stopped that program, I may as well get my five minutes of kicks out of writing reasons for it to be dismissed.

Here's the first idea that popped into my head, which I just submitted.   I hope they don't read ddf.
They don't have the brains to find DDF.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Emkay on June 16, 2014, 09:34:59 PM
Got a ticket when I was in town for shevuous.  In the old days I would just plea bargain it and pay it, but since they stopped that program, I may as well get my five minutes of kicks out of writing reasons for it to be dismissed.

Here's the first idea that popped into my head, which I just submitted.   I hope they don't read ddf.
was the ticket handwritten or with their scanner
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Sport on June 16, 2014, 09:56:58 PM

Got a ticket when I was in town for shevuous.  In the old days I would just plea bargain it and pay it, but since they stopped that program, I may as well get my five minutes of kicks out of writing reasons for it to be dismissed.

Here's the first idea that popped into my head, which I just submitted.   I hope they don't read ddf.
Ha! Would live to hear their response. Btw, if you really get a kick out of this maybe you can help me dispute my ticket I just got? It is for no license plate on front of my car. I came home after being away for shavuos and someone had knocked the plates off the  front of my car.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: efflpetzel on June 16, 2014, 09:57:25 PM

Got a ticket when I was in town for shevuous.  In the old days I would just plea bargain it and pay it, but since they stopped that program, I may as well get my five minutes of kicks out of writing reasons for it to be dismissed.

Here's the first idea that popped into my head, which I just submitted.   I hope they don't read ddf.
ohhh this is good, please post more reasons
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Ergel on June 16, 2014, 09:58:34 PM
Maybe I should have put a " ::) " on my first comment above... (seems to be all the rage these days anyway).
My how the internet has changed in two years
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Sport on June 16, 2014, 09:58:35 PM

ohhh this is good, please post more reasons
+1 I could use these every 3 weeks or so :)
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: srap on June 16, 2014, 10:01:24 PM
Got a ticket when I was in town for shevuous.  In the old days I would just plea bargain it and pay it, but since they stopped that program, I may as well get my five minutes of kicks out of writing reasons for it to be dismissed.

Here's the first idea that popped into my head, which I just submitted.   I hope they don't read ddf.
Your letter is cute, drawing at straws, and pushing the limits  and you want the judge to agree with its cuteness part.  I would probably add a cute phrase/sentence/note of some type alluding to that so that the judge is agreeing with you rather than agreeing with the drawing at straws or pushing the limits aspect.

Writing your note in your lawyerese would make it even cuter.  Maybe an idea like..."ok, Judge, are you ready for this?" or "Don't laugh, now, I'm serious" or "Your Honor, I really thought this out.  Please humor me" etc.   The idea is that you are aware that you are stretching it a bit and you are saying it before the judge says it.  This way there's no point in his saying it to you and may take your letter in jokelike/cutelike fashion, as well, and enjoy the interaction as opposed to telling you off.  Hatzlocho.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: ilherman on June 16, 2014, 10:03:46 PM
Got a ticket when I was in town for shevuous.  In the old days I would just plea bargain it and pay it, but since they stopped that program, I may as well get my five minutes of kicks out of writing reasons for it to be dismissed.

Here's the first idea that popped into my head, which I just submitted.   I hope they don't read ddf.
Well these judges never went to Law school, they will have no darn idea what you want from them. They are hired by the NYC Dept of finance to find guilty everyone who does not want to donate money to to the City. It's one of the most corrupted guys you deal with. Hence, why you pay $115 for parking at a fire hydrant. And yeah I've yet to see a police car circling around for parking, they are very comfortable at the fire hydrants.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Saver2000 on June 16, 2014, 10:05:50 PM
Your letter is cute, drawing at straws, and pushing the limits  and you want the judge to agree with its cuteness part.  I would probably add a cute phrase/sentence/note of some type alluding to that so that the judge is agreeing with you rather than agreeing with the drawing at straws or pushing the limits aspect.

Writing your note in your lawyerese would make it even cuter.  Maybe an idea like..."ok, Judge, are you ready for this?" or "Don't laugh, now, I'm serious" or "Your Honor, I really thought this out.  Please humor me" etc.   The idea is that you are aware that you are stretching it a bit and you are saying it before the judge says it.  This way there's no point in his saying it to you and may take your letter in jokelike/cutelike fashion, as well, and enjoy the interaction as opposed to telling you off.  Hatzlocho.
Doesn't seem like that to me.  He's not acting cute.  He's presenting it as a legitimate claim.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on June 16, 2014, 10:09:14 PM
was the ticket handwritten or with their scanner
scanner
Your letter is cute, drawing at straws, and pushing the limits  and you want the judge to agree with its cuteness part.  I would probably add a cute phrase/sentence/note of some type alluding to that so that the judge is agreeing with you rather than agreeing with the drawing at straws or pushing the limits aspect.

Writing your note in your lawyerese would make it even cuter.  Maybe an idea like..."ok, Judge, are you ready for this?" or "Don't laugh, now, I'm serious" or "Your Honor, I really thought this out.  Please humor me" etc.   The idea is that you are aware that you are stretching it a bit and you are saying it before the judge says it.  This way there's no point in his saying it to you and may take your letter in jokelike/cutelike fashion, as well, and enjoy the interaction as opposed to telling you off.  Hatzlocho.

Too late, already sent.  Also, I don't expect any response; just a form letter saying "we have considered your defense and find it without merit".

Well these judges never went to Law school, they will have no darn idea what you want from them. They are hired by the NYC Dept of finance to find guilty everyone who does not want to donate money to to the City. It's one of the most corrupted guys you deal with. Hence, why you pay $115 for parking at a fire hydrant. And yeah I've yet to see a police car circling around for parking, they are very comfortable at the fire hydrants.
Yes, there's something bizarre about the way their job is to find you guilty.  I've literally been found guilty on dispute where the time the ticket said was not illegal according to the signs on the street.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: ilherman on June 16, 2014, 10:16:25 PM
BTW, there is an appeals dept as well, you go in to a room and 3 judges (read, dummies) can't wait for you to leave the room and find you guilty. The fact that they don't give you an option to argue says it all. They allow you to give a speech and that's about it.  They don't bother asking you questions etc.

Guys, get yourself a SPI permit.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: mb1 on June 16, 2014, 10:42:13 PM
BTW, there is an appeals dept as well, you go in to a room and 3 judges (read, dummies) can't wait for you to leave the room and find you guilty. The fact that they don't give you an option to argue says it all. They allow you to give a speech and that's about it.  They don't bother asking you questions etc.

Guys, get yourself a SPI permit.
If you're really determined the next step is to file an Article 78 petition in court.
You usually won't win but you never know. :)
http://www.nycourts.gov/reporter/3dseries/2014/2014_04242.htm
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on June 16, 2014, 10:51:59 PM
If you're really determined the next step is to file an Article 78 petition in court.
You usually won't win but you never know. :)
http://www.nycourts.gov/reporter/3dseries/2014/2014_04242.htm

good one
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: joeb1 on June 16, 2014, 11:04:06 PM
Anyone have any experiance with bus lane tickets?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: EJB on June 16, 2014, 11:08:22 PM
Got a ticket when I was in town for shevuous.  In the old days I would just plea bargain it and pay it, but since they stopped that program, I may as well get my five minutes of kicks out of writing reasons for it to be dismissed.

Here's the first idea that popped into my head, which I just submitted.   I hope they don't read ddf.

I thought that's the point of the grace periods. Clocks can be off. But I don't think they'll accept a claim like yours on the grace period.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on June 16, 2014, 11:13:08 PM
I thought that's the point of the grace periods. Clocks can be off. But I don't think they'll accept a claim like yours on the grace period.

Of course.  But that's about MY watch.  I still want to know how THEY knew what time it was.

Also, a machine can be off by 6 minutes too.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: AJK on June 16, 2014, 11:48:40 PM
Well these judges never went to Law school

Don't believe that's accurate.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: AJK on June 16, 2014, 11:51:22 PM
I thought that's the point of the grace periods. Clocks can be off. But I don't think they'll accept a claim like yours on the grace period.

Yep. One has technically parked illegally at 0:00:01 second beyond the legal time.

The grace period is exactly that, a grace for not fining you for five mins beyond the legal time, even though you're parked illegally.

The only real argument OP has is that the machine could have been 6 mins off, but that's a far cry from 1 minute off, which is possible, but not meritorious.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on June 17, 2014, 12:01:13 AM
Yep. One has technically parked illegally at 0:00:01 second beyond the legal time.

The grace period is exactly that, a grace for not fining you for five mins beyond the legal time, even though you're parked illegally.

The only real argument OP has is that the machine could have been 6 mins off, but that's a far cry from 1 minute off, which is possible, but not meritorious.

I'm not sure.  Once the grace period is there, if I could prove the clock was off by a minute and it was for sure 1035 (1034?), wouldn't they have to let me off?

Regardless, I hold the grace period is for my watch. They should have correct watches.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: ilherman on June 17, 2014, 01:20:21 AM
Don't believe that's accurate.
So lets see what they will answer him. If they will answer him like someone who went to law school or if they will just tell him we have considered your defense and find it without merit.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: AJK on June 17, 2014, 10:31:26 PM
So lets see what they will answer him. If they will answer him like someone who went to law school or if they will just tell him we have considered your defense and find it without merit.

Judges on the United States Supreme Court do that every day.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Ergel on June 17, 2014, 10:53:24 PM
Judges on the United States Supreme Court do that every day.
Maybe they didn't graduate law school either ::)
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on June 21, 2014, 09:48:55 PM
In case anyone was curious, the denied it.  As I expected.

Here:
Quote
The respondent has been charged with violating Traffic Rule 4-08(d)(1) by parking a vehicle in violation of officially posted street
cleaning rules as defined in Traffic Rule 408(a)(7)(iii). Respondent testifies that the summons is defective because the violation time
was incorrectly indicated. This defense is not supported with any evidence or is persuasive. The summons establishes a prima facie case and there are no facial defects. It is a violation to park in a street cleaning zone. Upheld.

You gotta like the way they threw in the legalese. "prima facie." 

Then they make you pay in advance if you want to appeal.  Last time I did that, they took my payment and didn't even bother responding to the appeal. 

I'll still appeal again, doesn't cost anything more than a stamp.  I'll point out that the ALJ used the wrong legal standard by asking whether my defense was supported by evidence instead of whether the summons is supported by evidence.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: TimT on June 21, 2014, 10:01:26 PM
In case anyone was curious, the denied it.  As I expected.

Here:
You gotta like the way they threw in the legalese. "prima facie." 

Then they make you pay in advance if you want to appeal.  Last time I did that, they took my payment and didn't even bother responding to the appeal. 

I'll still appeal again, doesn't cost anything more than a stamp.  I'll point out that the ALJ used the wrong legal standard by asking whether my defense was supported by evidence instead of whether the summons is supported by evidence.
Good luck this time. What's the chance they listen to that ?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on June 21, 2014, 10:10:50 PM
Good luck this time. What's the chance they listen to that ?

0%

I'd be happy enough if they actually responded.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on June 21, 2014, 10:12:18 PM
Query: how do you testify as to time under the NYS rules of evidence?  Do you have to say how you knew what time it was, or can you just testify that "it was 1030" and leave it at that?

Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: ilherman on June 21, 2014, 10:18:09 PM
Why don't you go down to them?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on June 21, 2014, 10:21:31 PM
Why don't you go down to them?

I live in Boston. 
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: kangarruu on June 21, 2014, 10:21:53 PM
In case anyone was curious, the denied it.  As I expected.

Here:
You gotta like the way they threw in the legalese. "prima facie." 

Then they make you pay in advance if you want to appeal.  Last time I did that, they took my payment and didn't even bother responding to the appeal. 

I'll still appeal again, doesn't cost anything more than a stamp.  I'll point out that the ALJ used the wrong legal standard by asking whether my defense was supported by evidence instead of whether the summons is supported by evidence.

From DH (an attorney): The burden is preponderance of the evidence. The evidence is the sworn statement on the ticket stating that you parked illegally. "Prima facie" means that all elements of the offense alleged were set out. The ALJ is saying that you failed to rebut the sworn statement.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on June 21, 2014, 10:27:21 PM
From DH (an attorney): The burden is preponderance of the evidence. The evidence is the sworn statement on the ticket stating that you parked illegally. "Prima facie" means that all elements of the offense alleged were set out. The ALJ is saying that you failed to rebut the sworn statement.

Ask husband how you usually testify as to time.  That is, can you just say "gee, I say it is 1130, or do you need to say "I know it is 1030 because my watch said so and I looked at my watch"?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: joeb1 on June 21, 2014, 11:13:22 PM
Anyone have any experiance with bus lane tickets?
Bump
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: AJK on June 30, 2014, 06:12:47 PM
From DH (an attorney): The burden is preponderance of the evidence. The evidence is the sworn statement on the ticket stating that you parked illegally. "Prima facie" means that all elements of the offense alleged were set out. The ALJ is saying that you failed to rebut the sworn statement.

+1

The complaint in this case, the ticket, set forth the elements required to find you guilty of the violation.

You'd need to rebut the the the allegations set forth on the ticket with some form of admissible evidence as to what time it was at the time of the purported infraction.

Good luck with that.

Aside from submitting an affidavit to that effect (which I judge will discard without blinking), I'm not sure what else you may have...
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Joe4007 on June 30, 2014, 06:35:40 PM
http://www.vosizneias.com/169402/2014/06/30/0904-new-york-ny-bill-aimed-at-easing-alternate-side-parking-rules/
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: AJK on June 30, 2014, 06:38:13 PM
Good for citizens, but it'd mean the meter maids would have to drive right behind the cleaner.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on June 30, 2014, 10:16:39 PM
+1

The complaint in this case, the ticket, set forth the elements required to find you guilty of the violation.

You'd need to rebut the the the allegations set forth on the ticket with some form of admissible evidence as to what time it was at the time of the purported infraction.

Good luck with that.

Aside from submitting an affidavit to that effect (which I judge will discard without blinking), I'm not sure what else you may have...

Right, but my angle is that there also needs to be admissible evidence supporting elements. 

Now, most of the elements are supported by the agent's sworn statement.  So for example the fact that I was parked there, and that was my license plate number, and that is what the sign said. 

But what evidence supports what time it was?  Well, the same sworn statement.  But can a sworn statement really support facts such as the time?  Does the person attesting to it really have first hand knowledge of the time? How could they? Nobody ever "knows" the time first hand--at best you know what time it was according to a certain clock, or what time it was a short time earlier according to a certain clock. 

So shouldn't you need to testify as to your first hand knowledge--that is, that according to the agent's watch it was 1036?  Well, firstly, they didn't.  But more importantly, that is not a prima facie case, because the crime is to be parked there at 1036--not to be parked there at the time that the agent's watch says 1036!

So you should need to testify as to the entire "chain of custody" whereby you are able to make a prima facie case that it was in fact 1036.  But simply saying "it was 1036" shouldn't even be admissible.

Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: AJK on July 01, 2014, 12:07:47 AM
It's cute, but I imagine--though could be completely wrong--that the meter maids are required to calibrate their time pieces pretty regularly.

Even more likely than that, I imagine that the actual ticket machine from whence came the source of your current annoyance actually serves a dual purpose: printing the ticket and... you guessed it, keeping the time. And that internal clock is likely either synced "live" or is calibrated daily. Again, your point is cute, and even a bit interesting, but your argument boils down to:

Does the meter maid have first-hand knowledge of the time such that he can attest to it in a sworn affidavit; i.e. the ticket. And the answer is: of course. Following that that line of reasoning, the meter maid also does not have first-hand knowledge of... his name (let's assume it's a "he").  He was told his name was "X" by his parents, his mohel, or even by a birth certificate. But that's all second-hand.

All that being said, I don't see why the "ticket machine" is any different than the records that must be kept by state troopers with respect to the calibration of their radar/laser guns. So, essentially, your rebuttal would be raising a question in the prima facie case by attacking the possible neglect or inaccuracies attendant with the calibration of the time piece.

On the one hand, I feel like they'll dismiss the argument out of hand, though, as I write, I fail to see the distinction between a radar/laser gun and a time-piece.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on July 01, 2014, 12:16:44 AM
It's cute, but I imagine--though could be completely wrong--that the meter maids are required to calibrate their time pieces pretty regularly.

Even more likely than that, I imagine that the actual ticket machine from whence came the source of your current annoyance actually serves a dual purpose: printing the ticket and... you guessed it, keeping the time. And that internal clock is likely either synced "live" or is calibrated daily. Again, your point is cute, and even a bit interesting, but your argument boils down to:

Does the meter maid have first-hand knowledge of the time such that he can attest to it in a sworn affidavit; i.e. the ticket. And the answer is: of course. Following that that line of reasoning, the meter maid also does not have first-hand knowledge of... his name (let's assume it's a "he").  He was told his name was "X" by his parents, his mohel, or even by a birth certificate. But that's all second-hand.

All that being said, I don't see why the "ticket machine" is any different than the records that must be kept by state troopers with respect to the calibration of their radar/laser guns. So, essentially, your rebuttal would be raising a question in the prima facie case by attacking the possible neglect or inaccuracies attendant with the calibration of the time piece.

On the one hand, I feel like they'll dismiss the argument out of hand, though, as I write, I fail to see the distinction between a radar/laser gun and a time-piece.

Ha gufa, I got the idea from the radar gun.  I want to see the records of when it was last calibrated, and how often it is calibrated, and how much it is off each time usually.  Plus, I want to know what it is calibrated against.

ETA: Anyone studying for the bar? Nu, how do you testify as to time?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Nitantnel on July 01, 2014, 01:09:35 AM
Excuse me please, but to normal people this sounds like pure cr*p.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: ilherman on July 01, 2014, 01:22:44 AM
Excuse me please, but to normal people this sounds like pure cr*p.
Well, paying $115 for parking by a pump = cr*p as well.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Emkay on July 01, 2014, 02:09:37 AM
Excuse me please, but to normal people this sounds like pure cr*p.
to the contrary, I actually think that this shows true intellect
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Nitantnel on July 01, 2014, 08:07:01 AM
to the contrary, I actually think that this shows true intellect

Are you also one of them? ;)
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on July 01, 2014, 09:28:52 AM
Excuse me please, but to normal people this sounds like pure cr*p.

Lemme translate it to normal person for you.

Dude says I broke the law. Dude says bec I parked there at 1036.

I want to know if he knew the time or was just estimating.  If he looked at his watch, was his watch accurate or a couple mins off.

That doesn't sound unreasonable to me. He says I broke the law, I want to know if he KNOWS that or if he ESTIMATES that.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: ayman on July 01, 2014, 11:29:52 AM
Lol
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on July 13, 2014, 05:05:25 PM
haha, I have a new argument.

See, I found another place in NY with the same street number, and no parking restriction.  So how can I get a ticket if no evidence which one I was at?

ETA: Am I allowed to raise new arguments on appeal from the ALJ?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Emkay on July 13, 2014, 05:11:46 PM
haha, I have a new argument.

See, I found another place in NY with the same street number, and no parking restriction.  So how can I get a ticket if no evidence which one I was at?

ETA: Am I allowed to raise new arguments on appeal from the ALJ?
I treat parking tickets like IHG brg's. Press your luck once then call it quits
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: AJK on July 13, 2014, 05:12:12 PM
haha, I have a new argument.

See, I found another place in NY with the same street number, and no parking restriction.  So how can I get a ticket if no evidence which one I was at?

ETA: Am I allowed to raise new arguments on appeal from the ALJ?

Aha, finally a good argument :)

'cept I'm no sure they'd allow you to use new arguments on appeal.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on July 13, 2014, 05:21:02 PM
Here are the rules http://www.nyc.gov/html/dof/downloads/pdf/04pdf/parking_rules39.pdf

I call your attention to 39-12 on page 24.

It states
Quote
(2) The Appeals Board may review the facts and the law in any matter and, except in the interests of justice and upon consent of the respondent, shall not consider any evidence which was not presented to the hearing examiner. A concurring vote by two members of the Appeals Board panel shall be required to reverse or modify any decision  appealed from for error of fact or law, or to remand any matter in the interests of justice.

So the shaila is if this is new evidence.

I tayna it isn't.  I'm not bringing any new evidence--I'm just showing how the law and facts don't make me guilty. 

I guess one might argue that they will need to take judicial notice of the fact that there is another of this address, and that is new evidence.

But I tayna back that actually, they would need to look anyway at the maps to see if this address has a parking restriction, and can't at that time not notice that there is another of the same address.

I decided not to put this in the appeal, however, since I don't want to give them ideas.

I've also decided to leave out my first brilliant argument, even though I hold it is right.  I tried looking around to see how you are usually supposed to testify to time, but didn't find anything on google scholar, and I need a client code to access westlaw or lexis.  I figure I shouldn't complicate the argument, when my first one is golden. 
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: bubkiz on July 13, 2014, 05:44:20 PM
Good luck!
For best results, try to get it in before Chodesh Av.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on July 13, 2014, 05:49:23 PM
Ok, here it is:

Quote
Dear Appeals Board,

This ticket should be dismissed because the ticket is ambiguous as to the location of my car, and most of the possible locations do not have a parking restriction.

The ticket states that my car was parked at “15010 79th Avenue.”  However, the ticket does not state in which borough or state or zip code it was parked.  This is very important since not every “15010 79th Avenue” has the same parking regulations!

I ask this Board to take judicial notice that just in the Queens area alone, there are two addresses 15010 79th Avenue!  One is 15010 79th Avenue, North New Hyde Park, NY 11040, and the street signs there do not indicate any alternate side restriction.  This address may be viewed at the url: https://maps.google.com/maps?q=15010+79th+Avenue&hl=en&ll=40.749622,-73.70204&spn=0.00495,0.010568&sll=40.748919,-73.701103&layer=c&cbp=13,346.07,,0,1.22&cbll=40.748936,-73.701092&hnear=15010+79th+Ave,+North+New+Hyde+Park,+New+York+11040&t=m&z=17&panoid=hz4pkVP21gKmivHV1pI7uw

I have also found on google maps a 15010 79th Avenue in Flushing NY in 11367, and I am unaware of whether there is an alternate side restriction at that address.  This address may be viewed at this url: https://maps.google.com/maps?q=15010+79th+Avenue,+Flushing,+NY&hl=en&ll=40.719908,-73.812847&spn=0.009904,0.021136&sll=40.748939,-73.701096&sspn=0.004982,0.010568&oq=15010+79th+Avenue+fl&hnear=150-10+79th+Ave,+Flushing,+New+York+11367&t=m&z=16

This is not even to mention the possibility that the ticketing agent referred to 15010 79th Avenue, Seminole Florida 33776, which may be viewed at this url: https://maps.google.com/maps?q=15010+79th+Avenue,+Seminole,+FL&hl=en&sll=40.719908,-73.812847&sspn=0.009904,0.021136&oq=15010+79th+Avenue+fl&hnear=15010+79th+Ave,+Seminole,+Florida+33776&t=m&z=16. If the ticketing agent referred to this one, then I would like to raise the additional defense that New York City does not have the authority under the U.S. Constitution to issue tickets for violations in Seminole, Florida.

Other possible locations where this ticket places my car include 15010 79th Avenue in: St. Pete Beach, FL; Pinellas Park, FL; Vero Beach, FL; Peoria, Arizona; Tinley Park, IL; Oak Lawn, IL; Oakland California; and many others which I do not care to transcribe.  You may confirm all of these at maps.google.com.

Since the ticket does not indicate, and there is thus no sworn testimony to, which 15010 79th Avenue my car was parked at, and at least one of them does not have a parking restriction, it must be dismissed. 

There is simply no evidence to any violation.  It would be a miscarriage of justice for citizens to be fined after being presented with only vague allegations and nonspecific sworn testimony.

For the foregoing reasons, I respectfully request that this Board overturn the decision of the ALJ and issue an order dismissing this ticket.

Thank you,
henche

Any suggestions?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: ilherman on July 13, 2014, 06:03:28 PM
I once had, I parked by a pedestrian ramp  here (https://www.google.com/maps/place/241+Bedford+Ave,+Brooklyn,+NY+11211/@40.710698,-73.963696,3a,75y,352.45h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sGA6wQA38oqXLQsVBeM2FWQ!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x89c259609f30e6e7:0x12ac851b7de898ae) (where the yellow cab is parked) It's the ramp to the walkway on the Williamsburg bridge, however the Cop wrote that I was blocking a pedestrian ramp in front of 394 Bedford Ave which is the closest Address, so I came down to court saying that I have no idea why I got this ticket, he checked google maps and indeed, there is NO pedestrian remp over there. He dismissed the ticket! The only time I had success.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: kangarruu on July 13, 2014, 07:37:02 PM
Ok, here it is:

Any suggestions?

From DH: The Appeals Board will not consider this argument. First, you are introducing new facts not already present on the record. Second, you are generally not permitted to raise new arguments on appeal. Instead, the Appeals Board will only consider arguments as to why you believe the ALJ's disposition of your argument below was incorrect.

That said, I do think you have a good argument for next time, at least with respect to other identical addresses actually inside NYC. If I was an ALJ I'd reject non-City addresses out of hand.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on July 13, 2014, 08:40:38 PM
From DH: The Appeals Board will not consider this argument. First, you are introducing new facts not already present on the record. Second, you are generally not permitted to raise new arguments on appeal. Instead, the Appeals Board will only consider arguments as to why you believe the ALJ's disposition of your argument below was incorrect.

That said, I do think you have a good argument for next time, at least with respect to other identical addresses actually inside NYC. If I was an ALJ I'd reject non-City addresses out of hand.

Interesting. I'd have tayna'd that judicial facts are already in the record.

Does your husband practice davka in traffic court?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: kangarruu on July 13, 2014, 09:39:28 PM
Interesting. I'd have tayna'd that judicial facts are already in the record.

Does your husband practice davka in traffic court?

He does child support enforcement for NYC.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on July 13, 2014, 09:40:35 PM
Ah, cool.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Jkhein on July 13, 2014, 09:41:23 PM
He does child support enforcement for NYC.
oh well..
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=43329.0
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Sport on July 18, 2014, 05:49:32 PM
Just want to share a success story, hopefully others can use my argument.
While I was away for shavous my license plate got knocked off and hasn't been staying on well. Over the past month in a half I got 3 tickets for not properly displaying my license plate as it kept falling off. I disputed the first ticket and argued that the license plate fell off while I wasn't home and I got a ticket while I wasnt home and I shouldnt be held responsible. I provided no evidence to my claim but suprisingly just recieved the decision that my ticket has been dismissed.
Now I just submitted a request to dismiss the second ticket as it was only two days after hte first and I was away during that time also.
p.s.   although this is not about an alternate side parking ticket I figured this is the best thread to post in an there is no  generic parking ticket thread, I
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on July 18, 2014, 07:50:09 PM
Just want to share a success story, hopefully others can use my argument.
While I was away for shavous my license plate got knocked off and hasn't been staying on well. Over the past month in a half I got 3 tickets for not properly displaying my license plate as it kept falling off. I disputed the first ticket and argued that the license plate fell off while I wasn't home and I got a ticket while I wasnt home and I shouldnt be held responsible. I provided no evidence to my claim but suprisingly just recieved the decision that my ticket has been dismissed.
Now I just submitted a request to dismiss the second ticket as it was only two days after hte first and I was away during that time also.
p.s.   although this is not about an alternate side parking ticket I figured this is the best thread to post in an there is no  generic parking ticket thread, I

Why did they give the second ticket if the first one was still on your windshield?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Sport on July 18, 2014, 07:52:13 PM

Why did they give the second ticket if the first one was still on your windshield?
they're jerks.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: 12HRS on July 19, 2014, 10:21:32 PM
speaking of tickets. Saw a cop in the city on thursday night going up to a ups truck blocking traffic, took down the ticket on the windshield and checked it to see if the ups driver put it there from a different time. Found it pretty funny.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: cozmohoot on July 19, 2014, 11:37:23 PM
I see that all the time in Brooklyn
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on July 19, 2014, 11:42:07 PM
Why did they give the second ticket if the first one was still on your windshield?

In any event, there is probably a law about how often you can get a ticket for the same offense. Look it up.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Hirshthg on July 20, 2014, 12:08:49 AM
See the wiki of http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=1206 for a non attorney ticket fighter who does small end parking tickets.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: joeb1 on July 20, 2014, 12:45:11 AM
Can they give you 3 tickets for being in the bus lane all within 5 minutes?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on July 20, 2014, 12:46:18 AM
Can they give you 3 tickets for being in the bus lane all within 5 minutes?

Unlikely. Check the laws.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: joeb1 on July 20, 2014, 12:48:40 AM
The cameras caught a friend of mine on three different corners on nostrand ave all within 5 minutes
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on July 20, 2014, 12:52:42 AM
The cameras caught a friend of mine on three different corners on nostrand ave all within 5 minutes

Oh, driving in the bus lane. I thought you meant parking.

Interesting question. 
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Sport on July 20, 2014, 01:05:52 AM

See the wiki of http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=1206 for a non attorney ticket fighter who does small end parking tickets.
She takes 50% regardless of verdict or only if she wins?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Hirshthg on July 20, 2014, 11:41:29 AM
She takes 50% regardless of verdict or only if she wins?
I have not used her personally.
I hear that many of these ticket fighters take your full money up front and if they lose they pay the ticket, and if they win they refund you half.
Please let me know.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on August 27, 2014, 08:28:18 PM
Check out this very professional, thoughtful, and coherent response to my appeal. I totally feel like I was heard out.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: ilherman on August 27, 2014, 08:52:56 PM
I can't read it, can you please type it up?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: TimT on August 27, 2014, 09:12:36 PM
Check out this very professional, thoughtful, and coherent response to my appeal. I totally feel like I was heard out.
Would you rather no response ?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: lubaby on August 27, 2014, 09:54:36 PM
Check out this very professional, thoughtful, and coherent response to my appeal. I totally feel like I was heard out.
Looks like it was "bring your kid to work day"  ::)
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Ephraimh on August 28, 2014, 09:29:05 AM

I have not used her personally.
I hear that many of these ticket fighters take your full money up front and if they lose they pay the ticket, and if they win they refund you half.
Please let me know.
Correct.

I recently gave in to fight a
Fire Hydrant, an Alternate Side, and a Bus Stop (got all of them in a 72 hour period... yeah, right?? )

They (The Parking Expert) charged the full $275 (to pay off the tickets) + $137, and one of those charges are supposed to be refunded when the decision comes back.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Sport on August 28, 2014, 10:07:43 AM

Correct.

I recently gave in to fight a
Fire Hydrant, an Alternate Side, and a Bus Stop (got all of them in a 72 hour period... yeah, right?? )

They (The Parking Expert) charged the full $275 (to pay off the tickets) + $137, and one of those charges are supposed to be refunded when the decision comes back.
keep us posted please. I have $300 or so in parking tickets that I'm contemplating giving her to fight.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Ephraimh on August 28, 2014, 10:34:11 AM

keep us posted please. I have $300 or so in parking tickets that I'm contemplating giving her to fight.
Why contemplate? Do it, nothing to lose.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Sport on August 28, 2014, 10:36:09 AM

Why contemplate? Do it, nothing to lose.
Why did she charge you an additional 137?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Ephraimh on August 28, 2014, 10:39:20 AM

Why did she charge you an additional 137?
50% of the tickets, if the tickets are disputed that's their commission, if tickets are not disputed, they'll refund the $137.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Ergel on August 28, 2014, 10:41:35 AM
Why would they need to charge both? Sounds like a scam (interest rates are so low-what are they gaining?)
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Ephraimh on August 28, 2014, 10:44:55 AM

Why would they need to charge both? Sounds like a scam (interest rates are so low-what are they gaining?)
Hmm, somebody's tiered.

They charge the full amount which goes directly to the state/city to pay off the tickets, +50% for their commission.

Calm down.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: efflpetzel on August 28, 2014, 10:49:46 AM

Hmm, somebody's tiered.

They charge the full amount which goes directly to the state/city to pay off the tickets, +50% for their commission.

Calm down.
what???
This doesn't make sense, they charge the full ticket + 50%??, that sounds like a scam
Title: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Ephraimh on August 28, 2014, 10:53:55 AM
what???
This doesn't make sense, they charge the full ticket + 50%??, that sounds like a scam
I'm sorry for not being clear enough, I said the charge for the full tickets go *directly* to the state/city, with *directly* I meant *directly* to the state/city...

And if the tickets are dismissed, the state/city refunds the full amount.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Sport on August 28, 2014, 11:05:54 AM

I'm sorry for not being clear enough, I said the charge for the full tickets go *directly* to the state/city, with *directly* I meant *directly* to the state/city...

And if the tickets are dismissed, the state/city refunds the full amount.
  I'm still still confused. Why is the money going straight to the city before the verdict?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Ephraimh on August 28, 2014, 11:11:38 AM

  I'm still still confused. Why is the money going straight to the city before the verdict?
You don't have to, but you have the option of doing it and then get refunded,

I did it, because it was a rental, and I didn't want Avis to hit me with any fees.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on August 28, 2014, 11:11:48 AM
  I'm still still confused. Why is the money going straight to the city before the verdict?

you need to pay before the second appeal
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: googwallet on September 07, 2014, 11:33:52 AM
I got a NYC parking ticket over a week ago and when I go online to view the ticket it still says 'your ticket is being processed, to pay please enter the amount and click ok'

How long does it take?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: WAM on September 07, 2014, 05:36:53 PM
I got a NYC parking ticket over a week ago and when I go online to view the ticket it still says 'your ticket is being processed, to pay please enter the amount and click ok'

How long does it take?
I think it's time for a mini wiki.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Bostener on September 07, 2014, 05:51:03 PM
I got a NYC parking ticket over a week ago and when I go online to view the ticket it still says 'your ticket is being processed, to pay please enter the amount and click ok'

How long does it take?

Forever, however, if you respond after 30 days your ticket goes up.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: googwallet on September 07, 2014, 06:07:56 PM
Forever, however, if you respond after 30 days your ticket goes up.
So how do I go about disputing it?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: cozmohoot on September 07, 2014, 10:18:31 PM
Give it a few more days. Was it a handwritten one or scanned?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: googwallet on September 08, 2014, 08:16:38 AM
Give it a few more days. Was it a handwritten one or scanned?
Handwritten.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: cozmohoot on September 08, 2014, 10:26:44 AM
Handwritten.
That can take longer. But check by ticket number not just license plate, maybe there's a mistake and you can be off the hook
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on November 05, 2014, 05:35:24 PM
Got a munimeter ticket in Brooklyn. Here's my appeal (note: my car is greenish bluish, and is registered as green).

Your statement as to why you believe the violation should be dismissed:
----------------------------------------------------------------------
My car, with this license plate, is not a blue Honda. The ticketing agent must have been confused and put the ticket on the wrong car after writing it out, hence the incorrect car description.

I'll easily lose, and pay it. But at least I'll have registered my annoyance that they don't allow plea bargaining anymore.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: MeirS on November 05, 2014, 09:34:16 PM
Got a munimeter ticket in Brooklyn. Here's my appeal (note: my car is greenish bluish, and is registered as green).

Your statement as to why you believe the violation should be dismissed:
----------------------------------------------------------------------
My car, with this license plate, is not a blue Honda. The ticketing agent must have been confused and put the ticket on the wrong car after writing it out, hence the incorrect car description.

I'll easily lose, and pay it. But at least I'll have registered my annoyance that they don't allow plea bargaining anymore.
I went to court with that appeal for an alternate side ticket and they said color doesn't make a difference.

Sorry
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on November 05, 2014, 10:24:44 PM
I went to court with that appeal for an alternate side ticket and they said color doesn't make a difference.

Sorry

I figured that, which is why I davka suggested that the agent had actually put the ticket on the wrong car. It still won't win.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: 12HRS on November 05, 2014, 10:38:35 PM
could be worse.

I had a hydrant ticket that said 50ft away from 150th and it was not possible for me to be next to a hydrant since there is no hydrant 50ft away from said street, which I proved.

their response:
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Respondents claim of being parked far enough away from the hydrant is not persuasive because it does not establish that respondent was not in violation of hydrant regulations.

By this logic I could take a picture and they could claim it doesn't prove anything since I could have move the car.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on November 05, 2014, 10:46:00 PM
could be worse.

I had a hydrant ticket that said 50ft away from 150th and it was not possible for me to be next to a hydrant since there is no hydrant 50ft away from said street, which I proved.

their response:
By this logic I could take a picture and they could claim it doesn't prove anything since I could have move the car.

I seem to recall your telling me that story.

That seems like the type of situation you would eventually win on appeal by explaining it well.

I would have explained it by showing that the hydrant is 90 feet from 150th, thus you were 40 feet away from the hydrant. In other words,  accept their (incorrect) premise and show how fallacy.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: 12HRS on November 05, 2014, 10:59:22 PM
I seem to recall your telling me that story.

That seems like the type of situation you would eventually win on appeal by explaining it well.

I would have explained it by showing that the hydrant is 90 feet from 150th, thus you were 40 feet away from the hydrant. In other words,  accept their (incorrect) premise and show how fallacy.

I think I did tell it somewhere b4 or maybe in person.

I thought about appealing, but how to win against an argument that states I didn't prove that I personally was not in violation as opposed to the ticket being wrong. Isn't that impossible.

I'm guessing its too late to appeal. decision was in dec of 2013
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on November 05, 2014, 11:26:31 PM
I think I did tell it somewhere b4 or maybe in person.

I thought about appealing, but how to win against an argument that states I didn't prove that I personally was not in violation as opposed to the ticket being wrong. Isn't that impossible.

I'm guessing its too late to appeal. decision was in dec of 2013

Yah I'm guessing it's too late to appeal. It's ok. You were guilty after all. And tickets are just the price of parking in NY.

Reminds me of a hashgacha pratis story from last week.

I made my bris on Friday in Queens (sorry for not posting beforehand--Q274 and YOSEF were in attendance as well as my family members on ddf, so it vadai was a DO).  Everybody knows that there is no parking on Friday in Kew Gardens Hills since there is alternate side on the hydrant side, and Queens doesn't have the double parking minhag.  So after the bris I drive my baby and wife to my sister's house to rest, and I decide I will park on the wrong side because I would easily pay 45 dollars for parking under the circumstances.  We drive up to the building, and there was a legal spot right in front of the door!
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: ilherman on November 05, 2014, 11:28:11 PM


That seems like the type of situation you would eventually win on appeal by explaining it well.


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Respondents claim of being parked far enough away from the hydrant is not persuasive because it does not establish that respondent was not in violation of hydrant regulations.

It seems that you still don't know who you are dealing with. They won't be shy to just repeat

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Respondents claim of being parked far enough away from the hydrant is not persuasive because it does not establish that respondent was not in violation of hydrant regulations.

As I said, the Dep Of Finance does not look to hire judges who know law, rather judges who promise to find guilty 97% of the people.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: 3yummyboys on November 12, 2014, 12:00:04 PM
It can be luck of the draw depending on the judge assigned to the case
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: efflpetzel on November 12, 2014, 03:52:32 PM
Got a munimeter ticket in Brooklyn. Here's my appeal (note: my car is greenish bluish, and is registered as green).

Your statement as to why you believe the violation should be dismissed:
----------------------------------------------------------------------
My car, with this license plate, is not a blue Honda. The ticketing agent must have been confused and put the ticket on the wrong car after writing it out, hence the incorrect car description.

I'll easily lose, and pay it. But at least I'll have registered my annoyance that they don't allow plea bargaining anymore.
next time you get a munimeter ticket, just go to the car behind yours & snap a pic of his munimeter receipt & send it in,
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on November 12, 2014, 11:37:25 PM
I seem to have also gotten a school zone speeding camera ticket during my adventures in NY. I was hoping it would have been on the way to the hospital, but it wasn't.

Here's my response. I give it a 5% chance.
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This ticket should be dismissed because there is insufficient evidence supporting conviction.

The statute states: " (b) If the city  of  New  York  establishes  a  demonstration  program pursuant  to  subdivision  (a)  of  this section, the owner of a vehicle shall be liable for a penalty imposed pursuant to this section  if  such vehicle  was  used or operated with the permission of the owner, express or implied, within a school speed zone..." Section 1180-b(b). 

The pictures taken by the camera do not evidence who was driving my car, nor that it was being used with either my express or implied permission.  Thus, the elements required for conviction are not proven, or indeed even alleged.

Second, and in the alternative, there is not even an allegation that this incident was within " one thousand  three  hundred  twenty  feet  on  a  highway  passing a school building, entrance or exit of a school abutting on the highway," as required by the statute in the definition of "school speed zone."  Thus a second element required for conviction is not proven or even alleged.

For the above two reasons, I respectfully request dismissal.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: 12HRS on November 13, 2014, 01:01:07 AM
Im starting to think you get all these tickets just for the joy of working on a defense.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: efflpetzel on November 13, 2014, 01:45:22 AM

Im starting to think you get all these tickets just for the joy of working on a defense.
+1
& btwt that 5% chance of succeeding is overly generous
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on November 13, 2014, 07:56:26 AM
+1
& btwt that 5% chance of succeeding is overly generous

Perhaps.  But it really is an outrage that you NYers put up with this. You have this tribunal that is supposed to review parking tickets, but does nothing but rubber stamp them.

Maybe my argument with them not putting the state and zip code was a bit loony, but this one is very good--how can they assess a ticket without knowing if I'm culpable under the law for giving permission to the driver? Is there some New York State caselaw that says the driver of a car is assumed to have implied permission unless the car is reported stolen?--unlikely.

And I have seen much better arguments simply rubber stamped, where the city really had nothing to stand on.  For example I once saw where someone got an alternate side ticket for a time when alternate side was not in effect at that address. They wrote that in, and got back the stock answer  that they were unconvincing and that the ticket had all the proper elements.

If that was happening in my city, we'd be grabbing our torches and pitchforks and "to the City Hall!" 

ETA: So the statute is very long, and eventually says this:
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2. Notwithstanding any other provision of this section, no owner of  a
  vehicle  shall  be  subject  to a monetary fine imposed pursuant to this
  section if the operator of  such  vehicle  was  operating  such  vehicle
  without the consent of the owner at the time such operator operated such
  vehicle in violation of subdivision (b), (c), (d), (f) or (g) of section
  eleven  hundred eighty of this article. For purposes of this subdivision
  there shall be a presumption that  the  operator  of  such  vehicle  was
  operating such vehicle with the consent of the owner at the time of such
  operator  operated  such  vehicle  in violation of subdivision (b), (c),
  (d), (f) or (g) of section eleven hundred eighty of this article.
 
I'm not even sure how to read this: so is that a rebuttable presumption at least? Or does it undermine the whole rule?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: kangarruu on November 13, 2014, 09:27:52 AM
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ETA: So the statute is very long, and eventually says this:   
I'm not even sure how to read this: so is that a rebuttable presumption at least? Or does it undermine the whole rule?

It's a rebuttable presumption. The burden is on the owner to prove that the vehicle was being driven without permission.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on November 21, 2014, 09:10:10 AM
Ok, so I lost this one, but my chances go up to 30 percent on appeal.

See, I had asked which achool was nearby. The one they provided is .6 miles away which I seem to recall is too far. Meanwhile, google maps shows there is a public school a block away...

And of course the ruling is in terrible grammar and almost not understandable.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: kangarruu on November 21, 2014, 09:15:12 AM
Ok, so I lost this one, but my chances go up to 30 percent on appeal.

See, I had asked which achool was nearby. The one they provided is .6 miles away which I seem to recall is too far. Meanwhile, google maps shows there is a public school a block away...

And of course the ruling is in terrible grammar and almost not understandable.

Post it here?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: efflpetzel on November 21, 2014, 09:24:43 AM
but my chances go up to 30 percent on appeal.

Maybe a regular appeal, not with these NYC ganovim
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on November 21, 2014, 09:43:21 AM
Post it here?

The respondent has been charged with violating Section 1180-b of the Vehicle and Traffic Law, by failing to comply with the maximum

speed limits in a school speed zone. Respondent claims "This ticket should be dismissed because there is insufficient evidence

supporting conviction. The statute states: " (b) If the city of New York establishes a demonstration program pursuant to
subdivision (a) of this section, the owner of a vehicle shall be liable for a penalty imposed pursuant to this section if such vehicle

was used or operated with the permission of the owner, express or implied, within a school speed zone..." Section 1180-b(b). The

pictures taken by the camera do not evidence who was driving my car, nor that it was being used with either my express or implied

permission. Thus, the elements required for conviction are not proven, or indeed even alleged. Second, and in the alternative, there is

not even an allegation that this incident was within " one thousand three hundred twenty feet on a highway passing a school

building, entrance or exit of a school abutting on the highway," as required by the statute in the definition of "school speed zone." Thus

a second element required for conviction is not proven or even alleged. For the above two reasons, I respectfully request dismissal."

As registrant respondent is liable for acts of agents using vehicle with permission at time of NOl. The claim "nor that it was being used

with either my express or implied permission" is not persuasive. No claim offered of an actual unauthorized vehicle use or vehicle theft

at time of NOl. No claim that a police report was filed. Respondent does not deny that the operator had the keys at time of NOl.

Respondent claims " Second, and in the alternative, there is not even an allegation that this incident was within " one thousand three

hundred twenty feet on a highway passing a school building, entrance or exit of a school abutting on the highway," as required by

the statute in the definition of "school speed zone." Thus a second element required for conviction is not proven or even alleged. For

the above two reasons, I respectfully request dismissal." The speed camera regulation remains in effect for one hour before and one

hour after the school day, as well as during student activities, and up to 30 minutes immediately before and after such activities.

Official records indicate a school at Nol location ie Middle School for Arts and Philosophy. It is not persuasive establish that the

regulation was not in effect at the precise date/time/place of NOL issuance.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on November 21, 2014, 09:45:49 AM
My commentary:

On the first claim, they are correct, as I noted above that there is a presumption. However, they do not understand that, and do not respond that there is a presumption--they just assume the presumption and say I didn't claim theft.

On the second claim, they are just stam idiots.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: ilherman on November 21, 2014, 09:57:07 AM

And of course the ruling is in terrible grammar and almost not understandable.
And when I said that these people are just lowlifes. They did not attend law school.. They were just hired by the Dept Of Finance to find 95% of the people guilty (otherwise they get fired) Everyone was laughing from me.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: 3yummyboys on November 21, 2014, 10:21:46 AM
I'm pretty sure the judges sit there and make stuff up
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: efflpetzel on November 21, 2014, 02:20:25 PM
But henche I'm really starting to think you enjoy getting these tickets
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Lunatic on November 21, 2014, 02:27:17 PM
But henche I'm really starting to think you enjoy getting these tickets
Do you think henche gets these purposefully?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on November 21, 2014, 03:01:22 PM
lol
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: avromie7 on November 23, 2014, 08:44:04 AM
Do you think henche gets these purposefully?
Gives him something to think about and something to do on the forum all day
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Lunatic on November 23, 2014, 08:44:38 AM
Gives him something to think about and something to do on the forum all day
Well, I have a ticket to fight.. I will pm him
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: avromie7 on November 23, 2014, 08:45:25 AM
Well, I have a ticket to fight.. I will pm him
With all this experience...
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Galitzyaner on November 23, 2014, 09:53:00 PM
Just a little tip for those who may not be familiar: If you move your car for alternate side parking to the other side of the street (i.e. if you double park on the other side), and you are not sure if you'll be back exactly on the minute to move your vehicle back to the other side - than better don't move it at all.
Reason being, the cost of a ticket for double parking, is a heck lot more than for parking during street cleaning.

I came several minutes late recently, and was hit with a ticket of $115. I ran to the car, and arrived just as the pig started writing the ticket. But he refused to budge.
The last ticket I got for street cleaning was a mere $45 IIRC.

Just sayin' ...
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Avid Reader on November 30, 2014, 02:23:10 AM
Got an alternate side parking ticket. Cop mistakenly wrote cleaning time ends 12:20 instead of 12:30. Would this make the ticket defective?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: avromie7 on November 30, 2014, 02:49:58 AM
Got an alternate side parking ticket. Cop mistakenly wrote cleaning time ends 12:20 instead of 12:30. Would this make the ticket defective?
was ticket given after 12:20
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: 12HRS on November 30, 2014, 09:14:59 AM
was ticket given after 12:20

why should it make a difference? clearly they will be able to look up and see that the alternate side ended at 12:30 and then say he was in violation. Welcome to guilty until declared guilty.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Avid Reader on November 30, 2014, 11:04:16 AM
was ticket given after 12:20
No, way before.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on November 30, 2014, 11:12:35 AM
No, way before.

I would argue that the agent was obviously not good with time, and miswrote what time you were there also.

But you'll lose.

but it's worth the shot.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Avid Reader on November 30, 2014, 06:02:41 PM

But you'll lose.

but it's worth the shot.
Nah, If it doesn't make the ticket defective, I'd just send it to Parking Expert where I have a 50/50 chance of getting it dismissed, and pay them half the ticket price.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Avid Reader on December 02, 2014, 07:01:52 PM
Got an alternate side parking ticket. Cop mistakenly wrote cleaning time ends 12:20 instead of 12:30. Would this make the ticket defective?
Anyone think the wrong time makes the ticket defective?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on December 28, 2014, 04:51:13 PM
I'm trying the color claim again.  There was really nothing better for this one.

Quote
The ticket states that it was given to a blue car, but my car is green, as noted on its registration.  The ticket was given during the day, and 12/26 was a sunny day, so it is not plausible that the officer couldn't see the color well.

I think the most plausible explanation is that the officer was intending to ticket the car in front of or behind mine, and was confused between the two cars, and accidentally put in some information from my car and some from the other car, and left the ticket on mine. 

Can you please ask the officer if that is what happened? I'm sure he or she will agree.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: avromie7 on December 28, 2014, 05:01:23 PM
I'm trying the color claim again.  There was really nothing better for this one.
How often do you get parking tickets?
Do you include it when you calculate expenses for your commute to work?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on December 28, 2014, 05:07:43 PM
How often do you get parking tickets?
Do you include it when you calculate expenses for your commute to work?

This one I got for trying to shave a few bucks by parking on street at the pediatrician instead of in the lot.  I didn't think it was possible that it would take more than 45 minutes to get a shot, but it did.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: MeirS on December 28, 2014, 08:31:57 PM
I'm trying the color claim again.  There was really nothing better for this one.
The judge told me straight out that color doesn't matter, only registration and I think location.
ETA: This happened in Brooklyn
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: elit on December 28, 2014, 09:31:39 PM
Just reading this thread now. I once got a ticket for parking in a bus stop. I was so far away from the bus stop that someone else parked in front of me thinking they also weren't in a bus stop (they got a ticket Also).  I went and printed out a picture from Google maps showing the address the ticket stated i was parked in front of and highlighted how far it was from the bus stop and mailed it in. All i got back was the standard insufficient evidence provided...
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on December 28, 2014, 09:46:41 PM
The judge told me straight out that color doesn't matter, only registration and I think location.

This was in boston. 

Also, I'm not tayning that I should get off on a technicality. I'm saying that they should conclude that the whole thing was a mistake.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Centro on December 28, 2014, 10:07:13 PM
This thread isn't healthy for my blood pressure, justsayin..
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: MeirS on December 28, 2014, 10:08:37 PM
This was in boston. 

Also, I'm not tayning that I should get off on a technicality. I'm saying that they should conclude that the whole thing was a mistake.
I fixed my post
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Mutty on December 28, 2014, 10:09:23 PM
When I got a ticket for parking at a bus stop, but it was really not by the bus stop but by the meter section (sign missing). I went down to fight it (downtown Brooklyn) with pictures and a report of where signs should be on the block (totally not understandable, but I brought it). The longest time was in driving back and forth. Once there I was called in in no time, argued my points (had a little back and forth) and won. BTW, the judge asked me where it says in the report about the signs and I just pointed anyway as if I knew what I was talking about. I really think if you're in the right, or can show you might be, if you can spare the time to go down it may save you some bucks.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: elit on December 30, 2014, 11:04:10 PM
When I got a ticket for parking at a bus stop, but it was really not by the bus stop but by the meter section (sign missing). I went down to fight it (downtown Brooklyn) with pictures and a report of where signs should be on the block (totally not understandable, but I brought it). The longest time was in driving back and forth. Once there I was called in in no time, argued my points (had a little back and forth) and won. BTW, the judge asked me where it says in the report about the signs and I just pointed anyway as if I knew what I was talking about. I really think if you're in the right, or can show you might be, if you can spare the time to go down it may save you some bucks.
Its usually not worth the time and effort that's what's so annoying...
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Mutty on December 30, 2014, 11:08:11 PM
Its usually not worth the time and effort that's what's so annoying...
For the $135 ticket I thought it was.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: bigbadmoish on January 21, 2015, 10:51:23 AM
i just got a ticket for parking too close to the pump. anyone have any experience in winning these?

i was going to take a pic of my car parked further away from the pump and send it in.... thoughts?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: solls108 on January 21, 2015, 10:52:54 AM
i just got a ticket for parking too close to the pump. anyone have any experience in winning these?

i was going to take a pic of my car parked further away from the pump and send it in.... thoughts?

Read the ticket closely

Find any little inaccuracy.

Even the misspelling of one thing will work
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: 12HRS on January 21, 2015, 10:59:02 AM
Read the ticket closely

Find any little inaccuracy.

Even the misspelling of one thing will work

huge -1 in NYC
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: bigbadmoish on January 21, 2015, 11:11:05 AM
huge -1 in NYC
+1 they scan it these days (unless it was regular PO) either way they stopped dismissing tickets because of simple typos
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on January 21, 2015, 11:29:31 AM
i just got a ticket for parking too close to the pump. anyone have any experience in winning these?

i was going to take a pic of my car parked further away from the pump and send it in.... thoughts?

I def would not do that.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: bigbadmoish on January 21, 2015, 11:42:05 AM
I def would not do that.
why not?? what are the other options?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: noturbizniss on January 21, 2015, 11:49:25 AM
why not?? what are the other options?
Because that is not proof. They will say you did exactly that.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on January 21, 2015, 12:00:06 PM
why not?? what are the other options?

Not being a perjurer?  That's always an option. I'd rather pay $135 than commit perjury, just sayin'
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: bigbadmoish on January 21, 2015, 12:02:36 PM
Because that is not proof. They will say you did exactly that.
i was thinking that except that there is no other way to prove i wasnt doing what the ticket said i was doing... so they might accept... as far as perjury... meh
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: bigbadmoish on January 21, 2015, 12:05:43 PM
Not being a perjurer?  That's always an option. I'd rather pay $135 than commit perjury, just sayin'
you saying as far as ethics? or potentially facing criminal charges?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on January 21, 2015, 12:08:53 PM
you saying as far as ethics? or potentially facing criminal charges?

Whichever convinces you.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: kangarruu on January 21, 2015, 12:09:04 PM
i was thinking that except that there is no other way to prove i wasnt doing what the ticket said i was doing... so they might accept... as far as perjury... meh

1) מדבר שקר תרחק
2) It's probably not a good idea to turn a violation into a crime
3) It won't work. The denial will say something like 'respondent does not submit proof that he was not parked at the location described at the time the ticket was issued.'
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: bigbadmoish on January 21, 2015, 12:10:44 PM
1) מדבר שקר תרחק
2) It's probably not a good idea to turn a violation into a crime
3) It won't work. The denial will say something like 'respondent does not submit proof that he was not parked at the location described at the time the ticket was issued.'
1) maskim... 2) 0% chance of being charged 3) you talking from experience?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: kangarruu on January 21, 2015, 12:18:27 PM
1) maskim... 2) 0% chance of being charged 3) you talking from experience?

Not personal experience, but secondhand from others. Still, there's no real harm in trying it, and then we'll know for sure.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: bigbadmoish on January 21, 2015, 12:25:55 PM
Not personal experience, but secondhand from others. Still, there's no real harm in trying it, and then we'll know for sure.
+1 only option aside from giving the city $135...
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: 12HRS on January 21, 2015, 01:56:11 PM
3) It won't work. The denial will say something like 'respondent does not submit proof that he was not parked at the location described at the time the ticket was issued.'

3) you talking from experience?

Happened to me
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: bigbadmoish on January 21, 2015, 02:08:28 PM
Happened to me
you tried fighting and they said what?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: 12HRS on January 21, 2015, 02:41:54 PM
you tried fighting and they said what?

its in this thread or the traffic ticket thread. i posted b4.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: bigbadmoish on January 22, 2015, 12:39:04 AM
ok  so i actually just sae the ticket a lil while ago it's for parking 3 feet from pump. i wonder if that will allow me a pesach to dismiss. once they put an amount do they have to show how they measured it
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: noturbizniss on January 22, 2015, 10:49:28 AM
ok  so i actually just sae the ticket a lil while ago it's for parking 3 feet from pump. i wonder if that will allow me a pesach to dismiss. once they put an amount do they have to show how they measured it
nope. the cops/brownies/meter maids/traffic cops/whatevers are generally assumed to be telling the truth unless you prove otherwise. If not then you could say every ticket was made up.  It's the classic alternate side fight where they say it was 11 am and you say 1059 and theres no way you can prove anything.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: avromie7 on January 22, 2015, 11:51:26 AM


nope. the cops/brownies/meter maids/traffic cops/whatevers are generally assumed to be telling the truth unless you prove otherwise. If not then you could say every ticket was made up.  It's the classic alternate side fight where they say it was 11 am and you say 1059 and theres no way you can prove anything.

That's why they made the 5 min leeway
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: bigbadmoish on January 22, 2015, 12:11:45 PM
nope. the cops/brownies/meter maids/traffic cops/whatevers are generally assumed to be telling the truth unless you prove otherwise. If not then you could say every ticket was made up.  It's the classic alternate side fight where they say it was 11 am and you say 1059 and theres no way you can prove anything.
right there's nothing to protect us from bogus tickets... huge violation of personal freedoms... if i was a lawyer and had nothing else to do i would fight this to the top!

massive chutzpa that they can take money from me with no actual evidence. i officially protest
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: am7734 on January 22, 2015, 07:03:40 PM
right there's nothing to protect us from bogus tickets... huge violation of personal freedoms... if i was a lawyer and had nothing else to do i would fight this to the top!

massive chutzpa that they can take money from me with no actual evidence. i officially protest

protest noted..
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: keemster26 on February 25, 2015, 03:36:02 PM
Do you have to pay the parking ticket on a rental car? Or can I just throw out the ticket?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: noturbizniss on February 25, 2015, 03:37:21 PM
Do you have to pay the parking ticket on a rental car? Or can I just throw out the ticket?
they'll bill the car company who will bill your cc and probably tack on a fine.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: dealfinder85 on February 25, 2015, 03:37:26 PM
Do you have to pay the parking ticket on a rental car? Or can I just throw out the ticket?
you most certainly need to pay
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: dealfinder85 on February 25, 2015, 03:37:38 PM
they'll bill the car company who will bill your cc and probably tack on a fine.
+1
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: keemster26 on February 25, 2015, 03:39:09 PM
they'll bill the car company who will bill your cc and probably tack on a fine.
Thanks
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: sguitarist18 on March 26, 2015, 05:36:59 PM
For a NJ Parking ticket (Passaic), does it matter if they left out the year of my car? My car is from NY, if that makes a difference.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: noturbizniss on March 27, 2015, 11:17:54 AM
For a NJ Parking ticket (Passaic), does it matter if they left out the year of my car? My car is from NY, if that makes a difference.
If the rules are like NY, then it does. You'd have to look up the local ordinance.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: schneury on May 27, 2015, 10:48:21 AM
Got 2 tickets on my car 1) for parking at fire hydrant and 2) improper display reg sticker the first ticket also mentions the improper display reg sticker, my sticker is just fine on the windshield and I could take a pic of that,
1st question is will the pic be enough evidence to dismiss the ticket and if yes will I be able to fight the fire hydrant ticket because there is false information on it stating that the registration sticker is not good?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: WAM on May 27, 2015, 03:39:20 PM
Got 2 tickets on my car 1) for parking at fire hydrant and 2) improper display reg sticker the first ticket also mentions the improper display reg sticker, my sticker is just fine on the windshield and I could take a pic of that,
1st question is will the pic be enough evidence to dismiss the ticket and if yes will I be able to fight the fire hydrant ticket because there is false information on it stating that the registration sticker is not good?
Does the fire hydrant ticket specifically reference the registration ticket? I don't see why it would, but that's why I'm asking.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: schneury on May 27, 2015, 03:47:16 PM
On the fire hydrant ticket it says violation fire hydrant but in the comments it says no driver no activity barcodes mutilated
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: WAM on May 31, 2015, 02:12:43 AM
On the fire hydrant ticket it says violation fire hydrant but in the comments it says no driver no activity barcodes mutilated
Interesting. I have no experience with this so I can't recommend anything, but if that gets you outta both tickets let us know! If you decide not to fight it yourself, you can try calling S & R Consultants 718-252-7285 & they'll fight it for you. I'm pretty sure that they only charge you if they save you money.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: zlt123 on June 01, 2015, 01:27:31 PM
I got a ticket for parking by fire hydrant, is says on the ticket that i was parked 0 feet away, i have a video and you can see i was parked approx. 5-10 feet away, will it help me? or since i have to park 15 feet away the mistake wouldn't help me? any advice
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: DMYD on June 01, 2015, 02:28:31 PM
I got a ticket for parking by fire hydrant, is says on the ticket that i was parked 0 feet away, i have a video and you can see i was parked approx. 5-10 feet away, will it help me? or since i have to park 15 feet away the mistake wouldn't help me? any advice
Depends on judge, the point is that you were parked in the 15 feet of the fire hydrant.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: MeirS on September 06, 2015, 09:30:16 AM
A friend got a ticket for expired meter. Ticket says "time first observed 2:51, time of offense 2:59" I have a meter ticket that starts at 3:01, would that let me off the hook? And if so, is there a way to submit it online?

Thanks
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: yochiek93 on December 01, 2015, 02:27:02 PM
i got an alternate side parking ticket (didnt realize and mixed up the side of the street) any way to get it dismissed? it seems like all the info on the ticket is correct
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on December 01, 2015, 02:29:36 PM
i got an alternate side parking ticket (didnt realize and mixed up the side of the street) any way to get it dismissed? it seems like all the info on the ticket is correct

I usually contest just to get my moneys' worth. But if info is correct, you have a less than nil chance of getting off.

Maybe confusr them by sending a picture showing you were more than 15 feet from a hydrant.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: yochiek93 on December 01, 2015, 02:33:58 PM
I usually contest just to get my moneys' worth. But if info is correct, you have a less than nil chance of getting off.

Maybe confusr them by sending a picture showing you were more than 15 feet from a hydrant.
you have that much free time to go down?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on December 01, 2015, 02:57:39 PM
you have that much free time to go down?

internets.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: yochiek93 on December 01, 2015, 02:58:35 PM
internets.
Oh I thought you have to go for a hearing  after
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Hirshthg on December 02, 2015, 12:28:28 AM
Oh I thought you have to go for a hearing  after
You can have a hearing by mail or email.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: yochiek93 on December 02, 2015, 12:29:35 AM
You can have a hearing by mail or email.
But if everything on the ticket is correct is there a chance for me to win it?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: yochiek93 on December 02, 2015, 01:09:17 AM
Is it normal that my license plate number/violation number is still not in the system?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: ilherman on December 02, 2015, 01:28:37 AM
Is it normal that my license plate number/violation number is still not in the system?
Totally.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: yochiek93 on December 02, 2015, 01:29:26 AM
Totally.
How long does it normally take?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: talmid chuchem on December 02, 2015, 02:34:43 AM
How long does it normally take?
Up to 7 days
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on December 02, 2015, 08:34:33 AM
But if everything on the ticket is correct is there a chance for me to win it?

Let's put it this way: Even if the ticket is completely wrong, there's still little chance you win.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: shie123 on December 02, 2015, 08:56:25 AM
Can anyone recommend a asp ticket fighter?
Just received my very first ticket. I usaully park a  block away which has a ASP of more then 2 hours later, Silly me didn't look and just assumed it's the same.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on December 02, 2015, 08:56:56 AM
Can anyone recommend a asp ticket fighter?
Just received my very first ticket. I usaully park a  block away which has a ASP of more then 2 hours later, Silly me didn't look and just assumed it's the same.

What is it, 45 dollars? pay it.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: shie123 on December 02, 2015, 09:01:42 AM
What is it, 45 dollars? pay it.
Wow did't think of that one, thanks lawyer.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on December 02, 2015, 09:03:45 AM
Wow did't think of that one, thanks lawyer.

np. It's giving sage advice like that that gets me the big clients.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: yochiek93 on December 02, 2015, 09:59:01 AM
np. It's giving sage advice like that that gets me the big clients.
Or

I usually contest just to get my moneys' worth. But if info is correct, you have a less than nil chance of getting off.

Maybe confusr them by sending a picture showing you were more than 15 feet from a hydrant.

Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: David Smith on December 02, 2015, 10:02:43 AM
Or
But then you have to pay $135 for the pump when you lose
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: yochiek93 on December 02, 2015, 10:03:20 AM
But then you have to pay $135 for the pump when you lose
Not if the ticket is ASP
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: David Smith on December 02, 2015, 10:09:09 AM
Not if the ticket is ASP
I was joking. (I've never successfully fought an ASP ticket.)
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: yochiek93 on December 02, 2015, 10:10:02 AM
I was joking. (I've never successfully fought an ASP ticket.)
 
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on December 02, 2015, 12:23:02 PM
I was joking. (I've never successfully fought an ASP ticket.)

I once did, where the ticket facially made no sense, i.e. it wasn't illegal to park at the address listed at the time listed.  Still took like 3 appeals.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: am7734 on December 04, 2015, 12:12:51 AM
Any chance of winning expired meter with a new Muni-meter receipt (10:37) same time as ticket (10:37)....
on ticket it says the old Muni Meter receipt (exp 10:31) expired 6 minutes before ticket time (10:37)..
?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: avromie7 on December 04, 2015, 12:15:19 AM
Any chance of winning expired meter with a new Muni-meter receipt (10:37) same time as ticket (10:37)....
on ticket it says the old Muni Meter receipt (exp 10:31) expired 6 minutes before ticket time (10:37)..
?
There is a 5 minutes leeway
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: talmid chuchem on December 04, 2015, 12:25:43 AM
Any chance of winning expired meter with a new Muni-meter receipt (10:37) same time as ticket (10:37)....
on ticket it says the old Muni Meter receipt (exp 10:31) expired 6 minutes before ticket time (10:37)..
?
%100 chance to beat it
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: am7734 on December 04, 2015, 12:29:57 AM
There is a 5 minutes leeway
%100 chance to beat it
:)
Specifically concerned because it has the old receipt time on the violation which was six minutes prior...
Although technically I could have been in a different spot 6 minutes before and just have pulled in to this one... thinking out loud. ..
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: talmid chuchem on December 04, 2015, 12:40:53 AM
:)
Specifically concerned because it has the old receipt time on the violation which was six minutes prior...
Although technically I could have been in a different spot 6 minutes before and just have pulled in to this one... thinking out loud. ..
It's no problem, u have till 10:42 to buy a new ticket
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: am7734 on December 04, 2015, 12:43:45 AM
It's no problem, u have till 10:42 to buy a new ticket
Thanks!
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: cozmohoot on December 15, 2015, 01:46:33 PM
How bad is it that I know people who park and right away take a pic of a receipt from a car behind them. Get a ticket within 30 minutes and just use the pic to dismiss. ..
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: David Smith on December 15, 2015, 01:49:50 PM
How bad is it that I know people who park and right away take a pic of a receipt from a car behind them. Get a ticket within 30 minutes and just use the pic to dismiss. ..
Old trick.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: dealfinder85 on December 15, 2015, 01:54:07 PM
How bad is it that I know people who park and right away take a pic of a receipt from a car behind them. Get a ticket within 30 minutes and just use the pic to dismiss. ..
there is nothing wrong with you knowing the people
them? thats another story
also, if you are going to steal and cheat, is it worth it for the 25 or fifty cents you are saving?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: David Smith on December 15, 2015, 01:55:54 PM
there is nothing wrong with you knowing the people
them? thats another story
also, if you are going to steal and cheat, is it worth it for the 25 or fifty cents you are saving?
Who are you stealing from? (Just curious.)
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: 12HRS on December 15, 2015, 02:01:00 PM
Who are you stealing from? (Just curious.)

the city..
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: David Smith on December 15, 2015, 02:33:41 PM
the city..
What did you take from them?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: dealfinder85 on December 15, 2015, 02:35:07 PM
What did you take from them?
seriously?
sometimes i wish non-jews didnt read DDF
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: yelped on December 15, 2015, 03:06:20 PM
seriously?
sometimes i wish non-jews didnt read DDF
That's the thing with lomdunes.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: cozmohoot on December 15, 2015, 07:29:14 PM
there is nothing wrong with you knowing the people
them? thats another story
also, if you are going to steal and cheat, is it worth it for the 25 or fifty cents you are saving?
They usually park there all day...
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Yehuda25 on December 15, 2015, 10:39:03 PM
What did you take from them?
I hope you are joking...
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: mrprez27 on December 16, 2015, 12:02:13 AM
I hope you are joking...

Why is such a crazy idea to "actively oppose the meter fee"...I have never taken a pic or anything but.. you can just start a club on a liberal arts college and it"ll become a thing lol.

"I do NOT consent to the city taxing me and making me pay to park" . . .  As a Citizen I will actively oppose it by parking and not paying...If they ticket me i"ll just submit the picture or do anything else to get out of it. Our government is corrupt so I cant "vote" people into office who see my views so I will live a cosmopolitan live and live stateless while respecting the countries laws."


Ethier im rationalizing or it could be a good argument.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: mrprez27 on December 16, 2015, 12:05:42 AM
Have you declared every single thing when you enter this country. Have you ever bought a pack of cigarettes without paying full tax. Im trying to think of some more petty examples but im coming up short.

Point is - I can see how someone can rationalize that they arent being a Ganav by not paying the meter and lying to get it dismissed.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: yochiek93 on December 16, 2015, 12:08:19 AM
Have you declared every single thing when you enter this country. Have you ever bought a pack of cigarettes without paying full tax. Im trying to think of some more petty examples but im coming up short.

Point is - I can see how someone can rationalize that they arent being a Ganav by not paying the meter and lying to get it dismissed.
Under oath?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: mrprez27 on December 17, 2015, 09:39:33 PM
Under oath?
Oath in a Jewish Court, US court?

I think im gona stop posting my random views on Meter Policies haha
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: yochiek93 on December 17, 2015, 09:57:21 PM
Oath in a Jewish Court, US court?

I think im gona stop posting my random views on Meter Policies haha
Us court
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: shie123 on December 29, 2015, 11:19:56 PM
My ASP ticket doesn't bring up anything online.
It says no out standing debt.
What to do?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: yochiek93 on December 29, 2015, 11:21:14 PM
My ASP ticket doesn't bring up anything online.
It says no out standing debt.
What to do?
When did you get it?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: shie123 on December 29, 2015, 11:34:18 PM
When did you get it?
Almost 30 days ago.
on th 2nd
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: yochiek93 on December 29, 2015, 11:37:45 PM
Almost 30 days ago.
on the 2nd
oh 
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Tankchucker on December 30, 2015, 12:14:31 AM
Almost 30 days ago.
on th 2nd
Was it handwritten?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: shie123 on December 30, 2015, 09:43:45 AM
Was it handwritten?
Yes.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: cozmohoot on December 30, 2015, 09:54:24 AM
Did you search by ticket number or by plate? If by plate then look under a different area called ticket status use # there you may see its under different plate
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: ilherman on December 30, 2015, 09:58:38 AM
Had a nice story. I blocked a pedestrian ramp while I was running in to a store for a second, on my way out I see 2 cops already scanned my car and going to give me this fat $155 ticket. I asked them nicely if they can cancel it, they said "sorry, once it's scanned there is nothing we could do but we can put you in for a muni meter violation, and you can go now and print out a receipt and mail it in and they will dismiss the ticket"!!!!
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Hershelsdeals on December 30, 2015, 10:33:47 AM
Had a nice story. I blocked a pedestrian ramp while I was running in to a store for a second, on my way out I see 2 cops already scanned my car and going to give me this fat $155 ticket. I asked them nicely if they can cancel it, they said "sorry, once it's scanned there is nothing we could do but we can put you in for a muni meter violation, and you can go now and print out a receipt and mail it in and they will dismiss the ticket"!!!!
Nice
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: TimT on December 30, 2015, 10:35:10 AM
Had a nice story. I blocked a pedestrian ramp while I was running in to a store for a second, on my way out I see 2 cops already scanned my car and going to give me this fat $155 ticket. I asked them nicely if they can cancel it, they said "sorry, once it's scanned there is nothing we could do but we can put you in for a muni meter violation, and you can go now and print out a receipt and mail it in and they will dismiss the ticket"!!!!
Love it when the cops advise how to beat the system.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: shie123 on December 30, 2015, 02:46:32 PM
Did you search by ticket number or by plate? If by plate then look under a different area called ticket status use # there you may see its under different plate
I just searched that way too it says "Plate number **** is not listed because it has no outstanding debt"
And then 2 other tickets come up of the a different plate number for other offences or other addresses and other times.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: cozmohoot on December 30, 2015, 06:41:29 PM
Seems you're  off the hook.  Just monitor it for a bit more
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: shie123 on December 30, 2015, 07:29:53 PM
My ASP ticket doesn't bring up anything online.
It says no out standing debt.
What to do?
Seems you're  off the hook.  Just monitor it for a bit more
I called We Fight Tickets, and they say they saw somebody fought the ticket and it was dismissed!
Weird??
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: dsw193 on December 30, 2015, 07:31:28 PM
Is there anyway to see more details about a ticket pending a  hearing (like excuse given)?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: ilherman on February 15, 2016, 01:46:26 AM
I seem to have also gotten a school zone speeding camera ticket during my adventures in NY. I was hoping it would have been on the way to the hospital, but it wasn't.

Here's my response. I give it a 5% chance.
This ticket should be dismissed because there is insufficient evidence supporting conviction.

The statute states: " (b) If the city  of  New  York  establishes  a  demonstration  program pursuant  to  subdivision  (a)  of  this section, the owner of a vehicle shall be liable for a penalty imposed pursuant to this section  if  such vehicle  was  used or operated with the permission of the owner, express or implied, within a school speed zone..." Section 1180-b(b). 

The pictures taken by the camera do not evidence who was driving my car, nor that it was being used with either my express or implied permission.  Thus, the elements required for conviction are not proven, or indeed even alleged.

Second, and in the alternative, there is not even an allegation that this incident was within " one thousand  three  hundred  twenty  feet  on  a  highway  passing a school building, entrance or exit of a school abutting on the highway," as required by the statute in the definition of "school speed zone."  Thus a second element required for conviction is not proven or even alleged.

For the above two reasons, I respectfully request dismissal.
I just copy / pasted the above for the same offence.

Here is the decision.

Quote
The respondent has been charged with violating Section 1180-b of the Vehicle and Traffic Law, by failing to comply with the maximum
speed limits in a school speed zone. Respondent claims that the violation must be dismissed because the camera does not show who
was operating the vehicle, or that the operator was driving with the owner’s permission. This is not a persuasive defense, as the violation is issued to the registrant when the radar device monitoring vehicles passing the location registers the vehicle traveling in
excess of the posted speed limit. Respondent has not presented persuasive evidence that the vehicle was being operated without his
express or implied consent, such as a report of larceny or other convincing evidence. His further argument is not persuasive, as the
zone is regulated by posted signs. A review of NYC school speed zone locations indicates that the location where the violation was
observed is a school speed zone. There is no requirement that the definition of a speed zone be alleged. Respondent has not
presented persuasive evidence to contradict the information contained in the Notice of Liability. The school speed zone violation is
upheld, as the Notice indicates that the vehicle was traveling 37 miles per hour in a posted 25 mile an hour speed zone when cited.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: popcorn1508 on February 15, 2016, 09:39:41 AM
Is there anyway to see more details about a ticket pending a  hearing (like excuse given)?
would also love to know how to check?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: yochiek93 on February 15, 2016, 09:59:18 AM
would also love to know how to check?
+1
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Wizard on February 15, 2016, 03:02:52 PM
would also love to know how to check?
+1
Is there anyway to see more details about a ticket pending a  hearing (like excuse given)?
You guys are aware that you can go to nycserv.nyc.gov and select "Check Parking ticket status" from the first pull down menu? It doesn't show the excuse given but you get an email if you submitted the hearing online and the email has the written excuse in it...
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: yochiek93 on February 15, 2016, 03:19:00 PM
You guys are aware that you can go to nycserv.nyc.gov and select "Check Parking ticket status" from the first pull down menu? It doesn't show the excuse given but you get an email if you submitted the hearing online and the email has the written excuse in it...
Thanx
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: dsw193 on February 15, 2016, 03:31:12 PM
You guys are aware that you can go to nycserv.nyc.gov and select "Check Parking ticket status" from the first pull down menu? It doesn't show the excuse given but you get an email if you submitted the hearing online and the email has the written excuse in it...
I would like to know excuse given when someone other than myself's @ was submitted.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Wizard on February 15, 2016, 06:35:51 PM
Thanx
You're welcome :)

I would like to know excuse given when someone other than myself's @ was submitted.
If you wanna be sneaky you can try to email correspondence@finance.nyc.gov and say you didn't receive copy of hearing submitted (or you can say you are unsure if the hearing submitted was correct info) and request copy of submitted hearing. Please let me know what happens if you try. Curious ;)

Be sure to include summons number in email...
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: ilherman on February 16, 2016, 12:39:22 AM
You guys are aware that you can go to nycserv.nyc.gov and select "Check Parking ticket status" from the first pull down menu? It doesn't show the excuse given but you get an email if you submitted the hearing online and the email has the written excuse in it...
I don't see an option to send an email...
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: mgarfin on February 16, 2016, 12:00:29 PM
I don't see an option to send an email...

What he was saying is that if submitted online then in the email received it will say what the argument was. He missed the point the OP wanted, that is to find out what was the argument submitted by the counsel he hired to fight his someone's. I also see that when I get a co to fight my ticket 10 min after calling it has "hearing request"  and it takes very long to be settled as opposed to when i try on my own.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Wizard on February 16, 2016, 03:12:49 PM
What he was saying is that if submitted online then in the email received it will say what the argument was. He missed the point the OP wanted, that is to find out what was the argument submitted by the counsel he hired to fight his someone's. I also see that when I get a co to fight my ticket 10 min after calling it has "hearing request"  and it takes very long to be settled as opposed to when i try on my own.
Correct, not sure what I missed though. Said there's no way of seeing excuse online. If you submit yourself you get an email. If not, you can try to email the DOF but if you hired a company to fight it, they usually don't submit a hearing - most have a back door with a judge or something.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: raphy781 on February 17, 2016, 09:30:18 AM
If a ticket was handwritten and the plate number was entered incorrectly online am I good?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on February 17, 2016, 09:38:50 AM
If a ticket was handwritten and the plate number was entered incorrectly online am I good?

I'd assume so.  How they gonna find you?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Wizard on February 17, 2016, 07:54:07 PM
If a ticket was handwritten and the plate number was entered incorrectly online am I good?
Lucky you!!
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: popcorn1508 on February 18, 2016, 02:21:05 AM
If you wanna be sneaky you can try to email correspondence@finance.nyc.gov and say you didn't receive copy of hearing submitted (or you can say you are unsure if the hearing submitted was correct info) and request copy of submitted hearing. Please let me know what happens if you try. Curious ;)

Be sure to include summons number in email...
I sent an email and have not heard back yet.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: good sam on February 18, 2016, 07:42:27 AM
Anyone have success fighting an inspection ticket?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Wizard on February 18, 2016, 02:52:33 PM
I sent an email and have not heard back yet.
Sometimes it take a little while cuz I think there's one guy responding to all - it's always signed David Miller... When did you email? You may need to send a follow up email sometimes..
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Marko Rubio on May 19, 2016, 12:15:46 PM
how much $ is a violation for a no parking from 8 am to 6 pm sign in nyc?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: springles on May 19, 2016, 12:30:57 PM
Anyone have success fighting an inspection ticket?
Years ago I got an inspection ticket.  Took it in for inspection that day and then wrote that I had an appointment for an inspection scheduled and had it done later that day and the ticket got dismissed
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on May 19, 2016, 12:35:42 PM
Years ago I got an inspection ticket.  Took it in for inspection that day and then wrote that I had an appointment for an inspection scheduled and had it done later that day and the ticket got dismissed

Why should we believe that story? Either you lied to them, or are lying to us.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: springles on May 19, 2016, 12:38:15 PM
Why should we believe that story? Either you lied to them, or are lying to us.
believe what you want. 
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: yelped on May 19, 2016, 07:34:42 PM
how much $ is a violation for a no parking from 8 am to 6 pm sign in nyc?
I believe $60 or $65.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: ariw on July 07, 2016, 04:38:33 PM
I got a ticket 2:15 Pm and I bought a muni-meter 2:17 its 2 minutes after the ticket time.
I tried dismissing it as usual, but this time they claim I am guilty and the reason is as follows -----> Presents a Muni-meter receipt purchased at 2:17. This is not a persuasive defense  the receipt that was displayed on the dash at the time the summons was issued expired at 2:01Pm, 14 minutes before this summons was issued, and the 5 minute grace period has already expired. Summons sustained.
Any on can help me what I should do now?
Thanks
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: henche on July 07, 2016, 04:43:34 PM
I got a ticket 2:15 Pm and I bought a muni-meter 2:17 its 2 minutes after the ticket time.
I tried dismissing it as usual, but this time they claim I am guilty and the reason is as follows -----> Presents a Muni-meter receipt purchased at 2:17. This is not a persuasive defense  the receipt that was displayed on the dash at the time the summons was issued expired at 2:01Pm, 14 minutes before this summons was issued, and the 5 minute grace period has already expired. Summons sustained.
Any on can help me what I should do now?
Thanks

Appeal.  Explain it again.  There were two receipts--one from earlier that day, and one that you bought for this parking while the guy was ticketing you.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: ariw on July 07, 2016, 05:00:48 PM
this is a second time request a hearing? or it's a form http://www1.nyc.gov/assets/finance/downloads/pdf/adjudication/pvo-0100.pdf (http://www1.nyc.gov/assets/finance/downloads/pdf/adjudication/pvo-0100.pdf)
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: myi on July 18, 2016, 10:17:54 AM
I got a ticket 2:15 Pm and I bought a muni-meter 2:17 its 2 minutes after the ticket time.
I tried dismissing it as usual, but this time they claim I am guilty and the reason is as follows -----> Presents a Muni-meter receipt purchased at 2:17. This is not a persuasive defense  the receipt that was displayed on the dash at the time the summons was issued expired at 2:01Pm, 14 minutes before this summons was issued, and the 5 minute grace period has already expired. Summons sustained.
Any on can help me what I should do now?
Thanks
Interesting to see they used your old parking tickets to give you a ticket, best would be to do like said above, claim it was a parking ticket which I used for when I was parked 2 blocks away, and once you have a ticket for 5 minutes Within the time frame of the ticket you should be ok, so don't know how they could reject it with some other wacky excuse of you having a ticket from 2:01.(why don't they use a ticket which you had from 12:00 that way they could say it's a 2hr-15min grace period?
   Fight it for 2 different places and you should be good.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: dovy2 on July 18, 2016, 11:08:35 AM
I got a ticket 2:15 Pm and I bought a muni-meter 2:17 its 2 minutes after the ticket time.
I tried dismissing it as usual, but this time they claim I am guilty and the reason is as follows -----> Presents a Muni-meter receipt purchased at 2:17. This is not a persuasive defense  the receipt that was displayed on the dash at the time the summons was issued expired at 2:01Pm, 14 minutes before this summons was issued, and the 5 minute grace period has already expired. Summons sustained.
Any on can help me what I should do now?
Thanks
Did the ticket itself mention your old receipt? Wondering if they have a way to file something not on the ticket
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: chinagel on July 18, 2016, 01:31:32 PM
i got a handwritten ticket for being parked in the crosswalk. by vin number the guy wrote n/s when its clearly printed on my registration is that a way to get me off and if so what should i write to them
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: noturbizniss on July 18, 2016, 02:01:44 PM
i got a handwritten ticket for being parked in the crosswalk. by vin number the guy wrote n/s when its clearly printed on my registration is that a way to get me off and if so what should i write to them
Should be able to get it off simply by saying the ticket incomplete. NY plates? If so, the Vin is on the registration  in the window. If he couldn't get it then you should have ticket for no reggie
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: chinagel on July 18, 2016, 02:14:39 PM
Should be able to get it off simply by saying the ticket incomplete. NY plates? If so, the Vin is on the registration  in the window. If he couldn't get it then you should have ticket for no reggie
thanks
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: noturbizniss on July 18, 2016, 02:47:07 PM
thanks
I'm no lawyer but I don't belive they can say the vin is not shown
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: davidmal on July 19, 2016, 10:08:52 AM
1. Expired meter - get a Muni Ticket (Take a photo of one on another car through the window)
2. Alternate side - get a receipt your car was towed
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: myi on July 20, 2016, 12:26:23 AM
1. Expired meter - get a Muni Ticket (Take a photo of one on another car through the window)
2. Alternate side - get a receipt your car was towed
Got a ticket on a side for Friday and they write E 22nd (for ex) and they write NA for the address except for 5 feet E of E 22nd and the other side is Thursday. Can I play saying it's the other side. And facing east and was an empty block so traffic cop must have mistaken my car and question them why no address was shown so must mean he error ed and realized so left the address blank? Tia
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: davidmal on July 20, 2016, 09:33:40 AM
Got a ticket on a side for Friday and they write E 22nd (for ex) and they write NA for the address except for 5 feet E of E 22nd and the other side is Thursday. Can I play saying it's the other side. And facing east and was an empty block so traffic cop must have mistaken my car and question them why no address was shown so must mean he error ed and realized so left the address blank? Tia
Not proof you need to create solid doubt not maybe
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: myi on July 20, 2016, 02:01:45 PM
Not proof you need to create solid doubt not maybe
Oh well that could be the answer to why I still see the ticket. For 45$ still there, any luck trying with the same excuse online a 2nd time,meaning it will sound solid this Time,(first time sent in the mail.)
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: googwallet on July 21, 2016, 09:54:21 PM
Ok here's my story. My car would not start on the day of alternative side parking. I left a note on the windshield that the engine doesn't start (I knew there was little chance that would prevent a ticket but did it nonetheless).

Sure enough I got a ticket for not moving for alternative side. Once alternative side was over, I was in no rush to get the car towed since the next alternative wasn't until 3 days later. I signed up for AAA waited another day and then got the car towed to a repair shop (car needed the starter replaced).

I disputed the ticket online and provided the car towing recipient and the repair shop recipient. Sure enough it was rejected because I didn't have it towed within 4 hours of the ticket (which is complete nonsense because why should I be in a rush to have it towed when it's a completely legal spot).

Anyway I know that using common sense gets you no where with this dispute so anyone have advise and would be my best argument for them to waive the ticket?
Thanks!
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: 12HRS on July 21, 2016, 11:21:21 PM
you should be in a rush to get it towed to get it fixed not to get it out of that spot
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: myi on July 22, 2016, 01:44:44 AM
They're telling you 4 hours you have to move it from when you got the ticket is to tell you that you car is broken so they're giving you 4 hours to continue trying to get your car towed, the reason for you not moving your car on alternate side was because your car was broken so show that your car is really broken they want to move it within a four hour time frame that you were talking about on your ticket, (the 4hr time frame I must have repeated myself more then once, don't be bothered by that, it's completely, superfluous,repetitive and redundant... ;))   


   so you got to prove that you tried every possible thing to get a tow truck with triple AAA and they kept on delaying you saying how busy, and again you work for a living so hard to be home the exact time frame as the tow truck came,if you would go down in person almost positive it would be dismissed, but I doubt it worth your time to spend a day there! 
 Lesson learnt you got to stay by your car waiting to see that mamzer,and send her away from your car!  ...
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: googwallet on July 22, 2016, 06:33:57 AM
you should be in a rush to get it towed to get it fixed not to get it out of that spot
Why? I have a job to go to that is more important than getting the car fixed "within 4 hours of the ticket".
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: myi on July 22, 2016, 06:37:29 AM
Why? I have a job to go to that is more important than getting the car fixed "within 4 hours of the ticket".
once you have gotten the ticket then you don't have to worry the parking cops say just leave the ticket on the dashboard to avoid others giving you since they see one....I would love to know if that's really the law of 4hrs, sounds like a stupid reasoning....
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: googwallet on July 22, 2016, 02:56:50 PM
They're telling you 4 hours you have to move it from when you got the ticket is to tell you that you car is broken so they're giving you 4 hours to continue trying to get your car towed, the reason for you not moving your car on alternate side was because your car was broken so show that your car is really broken they want to move it within a four hour time frame that you were talking about on your ticket, (the 4hr time frame I must have repeated myself more then once, don't be bothered by that, it's completely, superfluous,repetitive and redundant... ;))   


   so you got to prove that you tried every possible thing to get a tow truck with triple AAA and they kept on delaying you saying how busy, and again you work for a living so hard to be home the exact time frame as the tow truck came,if you would go down in person almost positive it would be dismissed, but I doubt it worth your time to spend a day there! 
 Lesson learnt you got to stay by your car waiting to see that mamzer,and send her away from your car!  ...
Thanks. I will try and see how this goes.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: davidmal on July 26, 2016, 04:00:48 PM
Ok here's my story. My car would not start on the day of alternative side parking. I left a note on the windshield that the engine doesn't start (I knew there was little chance that would prevent a ticket but did it nonetheless).

Sure enough I got a ticket for not moving for alternative side. Once alternative side was over, I was in no rush to get the car towed since the next alternative wasn't until 3 days later. I signed up for AAA waited another day and then got the car towed to a repair shop (car needed the starter replaced).

I disputed the ticket online and provided the car towing recipient and the repair shop recipient. Sure enough it was rejected because I didn't have it towed within 4 hours of the ticket (which is complete nonsense because why should I be in a rush to have it towed when it's a completely legal spot).

Anyway I know that using common sense gets you no where with this dispute so anyone have advise and would be my best argument for them to waive the ticket?
Thanks!
Wow that's a ruff one

Maybe draft a letter with the company's info as letter head and mention the original booked tow date was postponed because of backup and they towed it at their earliest convenience
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: myi on July 26, 2016, 04:15:54 PM
Wow that's a ruff one

Maybe draft a letter with the company's info as letter head and mention the original booked tow date was postponed because of backup and they towed it at their earliest convenience
Sounds very good, very professional, definitely would go with your idea! 
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: googwallet on July 26, 2016, 04:25:46 PM
Wow that's a ruff one

Maybe draft a letter with the company's info as letter head and mention the original booked tow date was postponed because of backup and they towed it at their earliest convenience
Thanks for the advice. I already responded that my car was boxed in by other parallel parked cars from both sides so towing was not possible until later. We'll see how that goes along.

It's pretty pathetic how much time I invested disputing this silly ticket, makes me wonder if I should have just paid it and worked instead in the time I spent disputing it. But of course I didn't do that because I don't want to 'give in' to the stupid system even though disputing it is annoying as hell.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: myi on July 26, 2016, 04:34:34 PM
Thanks for the advice. I already responded that my car was boxed in by other parallel parked cars from both sides so towing was not possible until later. We'll see how that goes along.

It's pretty pathetic how much time I invested disputing this silly ticket, makes me wonder if I should have just paid it and worked instead in the time I spent disputing it. But of course I didn't do that because I don't want to 'give in' to the stupid system even though disputing it is annoying as hell.

When you originally Disputed the ticket did they find you guilty? and now are you fighting this for a second time? 
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: googwallet on July 26, 2016, 04:37:23 PM
When you originally Disputed the ticket did they find you guilty? and now are you fighting this for a second time? 
Yes. The outcome of my "online hearing" was guilty. I just sent in an appeal. 
I disputed the ticket online and provided the car towing recipient and the repair shop recipient. Sure enough it was rejected because I didn't have it towed within 4 hours of the ticket (which is complete nonsense because why should I be in a rush to have it towed when it's a completely legal spot).
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: myi on July 26, 2016, 04:42:46 PM
Curios if it would work for a alternate side ticket which was found guilty and give the reasoning again, with an explanation a bit better then last time, as well does any know how it works,is it the same judge for all tickets or they have a few judges and chances it will go to a different judge so you have a 2nd opportunity? 
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: davidmal on July 26, 2016, 05:08:34 PM
Curios if it would work for a alternate side ticket which was found guilty and give the reasoning again, with an explanation a bit better then last time, as well does any know how it works,is it the same judge for all tickets or they have a few judges and chances it will go to a different judge so you have a 2nd opportunity? 
appeal it
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: myi on July 27, 2016, 06:48:06 PM
appeal it
They wrote a letter saying; Respondent claims that the cited regulation is not in effect where the summons was issued and that summons shows wrong location of vehicle. Respondents claim is not supported by persuasive evidence. NYC DOT record shows sign as on summons at location on summons.

 The ticket originally had No address for location to know which side I was parked! they wrote I was parked  5 ft off the corner east of E9th so now I can say that means across the street which can also have an east, since there are 4 corners to a 2 way street! They should have clearly written I was parked at this and this address, instead he leaves it saying N/S. Any suggestions for what my appeal shall be? Thanks   
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: danzz72 on July 27, 2016, 10:06:33 PM
how do i look up a lost parking ticket in NY online? I got a ticket and lost the slip, so i dont have the ticket number.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: avromie7 on July 27, 2016, 10:11:08 PM
how do i look up a lost parking ticket in NY online? I got a ticket and lost the slip, so i dont have the ticket number.
You can look by plate number
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: myi on July 27, 2016, 11:51:08 PM
You can look by plate number
You have an option to reprint the whole ticket!(online) Or wait until they mail you the bill.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: davidmal on July 28, 2016, 12:38:29 AM
You have an option to reprint the whole ticket!(online) Or wait until they mail you the bill.
Online search and online dispute
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on August 03, 2016, 06:38:19 PM
Got my first alternate side parking ticket (on my own car  :-X) BH. What's interesting is that I trying to search it in the city's website nothing comes up. I put in both the ticket number and my plate number and the system's showing me that there's no such ticket number, and no violations on my plate number.
Any ideas?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: rileywiles23 on August 03, 2016, 06:44:22 PM
Got my first alternate side parking ticket (on my own car  :-X) BH. What's interesting is that I trying to search it in the city's website nothing comes up. I put in both the ticket number and my plate number and the system's showing me that there's no such ticket number, and no violations on my plate number.
Any ideas?
It takes some time for the ticket to come up in the system.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on August 03, 2016, 06:46:51 PM
It takes some time for the ticket to come up in the system.
Got it on July 20th (2 weeks ago). Is that enough time, or do I still have to wait?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: rileywiles23 on August 03, 2016, 06:47:23 PM
Got it on July 20th (2 weeks ago). Is that enough time, or do I still have to wait?
I've had it take longer then that.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on August 03, 2016, 06:50:27 PM
I've had it take longer then that.
Ok, thanks. Will check back later. I was sure that two weeks is enough.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: myi on August 03, 2016, 07:45:31 PM
Ok, thanks. Will check back later. I was sure that two weeks is enough.
was it hand written or computer?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: myi on August 03, 2016, 07:47:41 PM
was it hand written or computer?
It takes longer for the system to get around to hand written tickets which can take 2 weeks + and a computer printed ticket usually Within 10 days usually shows up.

 Or your ticket has some info wrong and your scot free!
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: chinagel on August 03, 2016, 08:52:53 PM
friend was telling me if u scratch the barcode on registration they have to hand write the ticket which usually makes it much easier to dispute. thought it was a good tip
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: dsw193 on August 03, 2016, 08:54:38 PM
I've done it (filled a lot of gaps) still get printed. Unless it's from sanitation.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: yochiek93 on August 03, 2016, 10:01:10 PM
I've done it (filled a lot of gaps) still get printed. Unless it's from sanitation.
The meter maids could hand write it into their computer instead of scan....
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on August 04, 2016, 12:01:33 AM
Mine is handwritten. I don't know why, though, as my sticker was not tampered with etc. I still didn't find a mistake, though. Should I still try disputing it? Based on what?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: yochiek93 on August 04, 2016, 12:22:40 AM
Mine is handwritten. I don't know why, though, as my sticker was not tampered with etc. I still didn't find a mistake, though. Should I still try disputing it? Based on what?
Any mistakes on the ticket?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on August 04, 2016, 12:30:23 AM
Any mistakes on the ticket?
Mine is handwritten. I don't know why, though, as my sticker was not tampered with etc. I still didn't find a mistake, though. Should I still try disputing it? Based on what?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: yochiek93 on August 04, 2016, 12:38:03 AM

wow I just didn't read what you said my bad
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on August 04, 2016, 12:38:39 AM
wow I just didn't read what you said my bad
Time to get some zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz's  :)
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: yochiek93 on August 04, 2016, 12:54:50 AM
Time to get some zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz's  :)
I wish
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: davidmal on August 04, 2016, 09:01:46 PM
I've had it take longer then that.
Pray it doesn't go thru
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: avromie7 on August 04, 2016, 09:12:16 PM
Pray it doesn't go thru
I had it take somewhere between 2 and 3 weeks for handwritten
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Amusch on August 09, 2016, 10:12:02 AM
Mostly related: I renewed my registration but had a hard time putting new sticker on, so I waited, then got a ticket for outdated sticker (saw the month, didn't see the exact date).
Question: Do I fight the ticket by showing the actual registration card was replaced weeks ago, or do I try to explain why I didn't put the new sticker on?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on August 09, 2016, 02:01:51 PM
Mostly related: I renewed my registration but had a hard time putting new sticker on, so I waited, then got a ticket for outdated sticker (saw the month, didn't see the exact date).
Question: Do I fight the ticket by showing the actual registration card was replaced weeks ago, or do I try to explain why I didn't put the new sticker on?
Why not use both. They are essentially the reason the cop didn't see your updated registration, no?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Amusch on August 09, 2016, 07:02:41 PM
Why not use both. They are essentially the reason the cop didn't see your updated registration, no?

Thanks, will try.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: davidmal on August 11, 2016, 05:48:23 PM
Mostly related: I renewed my registration but had a hard time putting new sticker on, so I waited, then got a ticket for outdated sticker (saw the month, didn't see the exact date).
Question: Do I fight the ticket by showing the actual registration card was replaced weeks ago, or do I try to explain why I didn't put the new sticker on?
make sure you color it in before you put it back on
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Dr Moose on August 17, 2016, 10:34:47 AM
I received 2 parking tickets in Spring Valley of Rockland County, NY at the same time. One was for prohibited parking, the other for unispected vehicle.

The prohibited parking ticket all the information is correct, however for the other ticket, he wrote the wrong street on the ticket. So basically, I have 2 tickets for the same vehicle but two different locations. Can I use this in anyway for voiding either ticket.

In addition, this is on a leased vehicle which is going back today. If I don't pay the tickets, can they still come after me? I believe they can usually give you a ticket for driving a vehicle that has unpaid fines, but in this case, I won't be driving it anymore.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on August 23, 2016, 05:19:39 PM
I received 2 parking tickets in Spring Valley of Rockland County, NY at the same time. One was for prohibited parking, the other for unispected vehicle.

The prohibited parking ticket all the information is correct, however for the other ticket, he wrote the wrong street on the ticket. So basically, I have 2 tickets for the same vehicle but two different locations. Can I use this in anyway for voiding either ticket.

In addition, this is on a leased vehicle which is going back today. If I don't pay the tickets, can they still come after me? I believe they can usually give you a ticket for driving a vehicle that has unpaid fines, but in this case, I won't be driving it anymore.
The tickets are on the plate number which is registered on you name so I don't see how you can get out of it with the excuse of no longer owning that vehicle. OTOH using one ticket to dispute the other (with the din of eidim zomemin [imanu heyeesem] ;) ) sounds like a viable option if it comes before a considerate judge. Even more so, if you are shrewd enough you can claim that they cannot charge you for either of them because they are contradictory and have no way of proving which one is true.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on August 23, 2016, 05:22:25 PM
Weird situation. My [handwritten] ticket finally came up in the city's system but it's showing that I have to pay $55 dollars, whereas on the ticket itself it says that I only need to pay $45. Any way for me to get this straightened out? Is there a possibility for the entire thing to be dismissed on the basis of this mistake?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: yelped on August 23, 2016, 05:28:04 PM
Weird situation. My [handwritten] ticket finally came up in the city's system but it's showing that I have to pay $55 dollars, whereas on the ticket itself it says that I only need to pay $45. Any way for me to get this straightened out? Is there a possibility for the entire thing to be dismissed on the basis of this mistake?

It's probably because they're charging you a $10 fee for late payment. Which you should fight, because it didn't show up in the system until now..
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on August 23, 2016, 06:05:12 PM
On the page showing my amounts due it's not showing that it's a late fee. Is there any other page that has it itemized?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: googwallet on September 05, 2016, 02:37:28 PM
Thanks for the advice. I already responded that my car was boxed in by other parallel parked cars from both sides so towing was not possible until later. We'll see how that goes along.

It's pretty pathetic how much time I invested disputing this silly ticket, makes me wonder if I should have just paid it and worked instead in the time I spent disputing it. But of course I didn't do that because I don't want to 'give in' to the stupid system even though disputing it is annoying as hell.
They denied my appeal. Didn't say any reason, just that they reviewed my appeal and decided the verdict will remain. I thought I had a pretty good case and that the ticket would for sure be dismissed, but that didn't turn out to be the case.
Lesson learnt: Just pay the $45 instead of wasting time, energy and paying the same $45 in the end anyway.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Shauly101 on September 13, 2016, 05:14:52 PM
i got a Meter Ticket (NYC) 10 minutes after leaving vehicle, apparently the ticket flipped when i closed the door, 
how do i deal with this?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: David Smith on September 13, 2016, 05:24:20 PM
i got a Meter Ticket (NYC) 10 minutes after leaving vehicle, apparently the ticket flipped when i closed the door, 
how do i deal with this?
If you have the receipt, just email in a picture of it.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: zevi on September 13, 2016, 06:34:19 PM
If you have the receipt, just email in a picture of it.
What's the email address to send it ?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: popcorn1508 on September 14, 2016, 02:13:53 AM
What's the email address to send it ?
There is no email address. You have to go online to dispute the ticket and include a picture of it as an attachment to your dispute.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Shauly101 on September 14, 2016, 10:10:08 AM
What's the email address to send it ?


nyc.gov/finance
dispute ticket
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: zevi on September 14, 2016, 11:24:42 AM
There is no email address. You have to go online to dispute the ticket and include a picture of it as an attachment to your dispute.

nyc.gov/finance
dispute ticket
I went to that site to dispute the ticket, problem is the site crashed right after I entered the info .. and it didn't allow me to add attachments
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Hirshthg on December 06, 2016, 11:42:21 PM
I went to that site to dispute the ticket, problem is the site crashed right after I entered the info .. and it didn't allow me to add attachments
You try again in a few hours...
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: myi on January 04, 2017, 03:58:40 PM
If there are tickets on a plate which your giving back to the city, will they make problems or make me pay up the tickets? 
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: googwallet on February 08, 2017, 02:22:00 PM
Just got in the mail a bus lane camera ticket for $115 at Nostrand and Ave D.

The bus lane is in effect until 7pm and the ticket was issued at 6:58:43PM!

How can I get this ticket dismissed based on the time being so close to 7pm? I recall seeing elsewhere that within 5 minutes, tickets are not issued. Apparently that isn't the case with camera tickets, but it seems I should have a good case being within 2 minutes of 7pm.
Any ideas how how to word the dispute for the best chance of dismissal? (I have not had much success with disputing in the past...)
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: davidmal on February 08, 2017, 03:49:58 PM
Just got in the mail a bus lane camera ticket for $115 at Nostrand and Ave D.

The bus lane is in effect until 7pm and the ticket was issued at 6:58:43PM!

How can I get this ticket dismissed based on the time being so close to 7pm? I recall seeing elsewhere that within 5 minutes, tickets are not issued. Apparently that isn't the case with camera tickets, but it seems I should have a good case being within 2 minutes of 7pm.
Any ideas how how to word the dispute for the best chance of dismissal? (I have not had much success with disputing in the past...)
Plead your case

if the judge has a heart it might go
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on February 08, 2017, 06:11:11 PM
Plead your case

if the judge has a heart it might go
+1
and report back to your fella ddfers.  :)
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: myi on February 08, 2017, 07:01:29 PM
Just got in the mail a bus lane camera ticket for $115 at Nostrand and Ave D.

The bus lane is in effect until 7pm and the ticket was issued at 6:58:43PM!

How can I get this ticket dismissed based on the time being so close to 7pm? I recall seeing elsewhere that within 5 minutes, tickets are not issued. Apparently that isn't the case with camera tickets, but it seems I should have a good case being within 2 minutes of 7pm.
Any ideas how how to word the dispute for the best chance of dismissal? (I have not had much success with disputing in the past...)
Giving excuses is always an option but usually swept under the rug, but with a heartfelt plea as it was less then 1 and 30 seconds left to 7.
 (with excuses you can always say my clock was a minute fast and I thought it was 7 already, or whether I was planning on turning but realized it was the next block and continued Going till the next block is when I put my blinker and turned. Or a simple please dismiss this ticket as it was Within a minute of 7pm. Good luck
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: googwallet on February 08, 2017, 08:40:56 PM
Thanks guys. I'll let you know what happens.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: myi on February 09, 2017, 06:10:45 PM
If a jersey plate got a ticket while parked in nyc(brooklyn) for overnight parking with a commercial vehicle and now he's looking to surrender the plates, will he have any problems or have to worry about the unpaid ticket? ($65)
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: chbochur on February 09, 2017, 08:26:10 PM
Just got in the mail a bus lane camera ticket for $115 at Nostrand and Ave D.

The bus lane is in effect until 7pm and the ticket was issued at 6:58:43PM!

How can I get this ticket dismissed based on the time being so close to 7pm? I recall seeing elsewhere that within 5 minutes, tickets are not issued. Apparently that isn't the case with camera tickets, but it seems I should have a good case being within 2 minutes of 7pm.
Any ideas how how to word the dispute for the best chance of dismissal? (I have not had much success with disputing in the past...)
https://youtu.be/kxPgia7-QRg

Good luck
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: ExGingi on February 09, 2017, 08:52:39 PM
Got a ticket on a side for Friday and they write E 22nd (for ex) and they write NA for the address except for 5 feet E of E 22nd and the other side is Thursday. Can I play saying it's the other side. And facing east and was an empty block so traffic cop must have mistaken my car and question them why no address was shown so must mean he error ed and realized so left the address blank? Tia
Just came across this.

All you have to write is that ticket is defective.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: myi on February 10, 2017, 01:13:02 AM
Just came across this.

All you have to write is that ticket is defective.
Wow you must have had trouble falling asleep going back so far in the thread!
 That ticket for $35 was long paid for they didn't buy any of my excuses as far as I can remember,i don't think it was dismissed.
 Good to know for the future, thanks for the reply though, better late then ever. ;)
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: davidmal on February 10, 2017, 01:24:38 AM
This thread should be labeled "How to whine about tickets and then eventually pay them in NY. "
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: myi on February 10, 2017, 02:16:32 AM
This thread should be labeled "How to whine about tickets and then eventually pay them in NY. "
You mean re-labeled . Lol
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: googwallet on February 15, 2017, 04:35:24 PM
Just got in the mail a bus lane camera ticket for $115 at Nostrand and Ave D.

The bus lane is in effect until 7pm and the ticket was issued at 6:58:43PM!

How can I get this ticket dismissed based on the time being so close to 7pm? I recall seeing elsewhere that within 5 minutes, tickets are not issued. Apparently that isn't the case with camera tickets, but it seems I should have a good case being within 2 minutes of 7pm.
Any ideas how how to word the dispute for the best chance of dismissal? (I have not had much success with disputing in the past...)
The registrant of the vehicle identified in the Notice of Liability has been charged with violating New York State Vehicle and Traffic Law
section 1111-c, because the operator of the vehicle stood, parked or entered a bus lane during the restricted hours and did not make
an immediate right hand turn. Claim that the violation occurred "just shy of 7:00 p.m." when the regulation expired, is not a valid defense to the violation charged. The record is reviewed and considered. Guilty.

 >:( >:( >:(
I hate this city!!
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: myi on February 15, 2017, 06:58:13 PM
The registrant of the vehicle identified in the Notice of Liability has been charged with violating New York State Vehicle and Traffic Law
section 1111-c, because the operator of the vehicle stood, parked or entered a bus lane during the restricted hours and did not make
an immediate right hand turn. Claim that the violation occurred "just shy of 7:00 p.m." when the regulation expired, is not a valid defense to the violation charged. The record is reviewed and considered. Guilty.

 >:( >:( >:(
I hate this city!!
Really didn't believe that was going to happen!
I would definitely appeal it one more time, and express yourself more..
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: yelped on February 15, 2017, 08:26:32 PM
Really didn't believe that was going to happen!
I would definitely appeal it one more time, and express yourself more..
Say that it was 7:01 on your car's clock etc.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: am7734 on February 15, 2017, 08:43:12 PM
Say that it was 7:01 on your car's clock etc.
It seems that it was already claimed otherwise...
Claim that the violation occurred "just shy of 7:00 p.m."
And anyway I doubt that would would work regardless..
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: davidmal on February 16, 2017, 12:23:51 AM
It seems that it was already claimed otherwise...And anyway I doubt that would would work regardless..

he never said his clock was 7:01 he claimed that in actuality he was shy but
Speak and say I know inn reality I was shy of 7 but my watch clock car etc is not set to atomic time and hence the 2 min error
How are you required to have atomic time in a car that has a analog clock?

Clearly this should be over ruled since it was out of your control.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: myi on February 16, 2017, 03:16:54 AM
he never said his clock was 7:01 he claimed that in actuality he was shy but
Speak and say I know inn reality I was shy of 7 but my watch clock car etc is not set to atomic time and hence the 2 min error
How are you required to have atomic time in a car that has a analog clock?

Clearly this should be over ruled since it was out of your control.
Couldn't agree more, is one required to pull out his phone while driving and check the time to see if he's allowed to enter the bus lane?  (you use your car clock and hope it doesn't jump minutes.)
 To top it all the bus lane camera for all you know is delayed 2 minutes.. having a lawyer on such a case would of had it dismissed long ago!
 
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: ExGingi on February 16, 2017, 08:43:15 AM
Couldn't agree more, is one required to pull out his phone while driving and check the time to see if he's allowed to enter the bus lane?  (you use your car clock and hope it doesn't jump minutes.)
 To top it all the bus lane camera for all you know is delayed 2 minutes.. having a lawyer on such a case would of had it dismissed long ago!
Are you serious? A lawyer for a camera ticket? There are no points with those tickets, it's all about generating revenue for the city without raising taxes.

How much would you have to pay a lawyer to get a $50 (IINM) ticket dismissed?

ETA: I know someone who works on getting tickets dismissed, he charges 50% of fine if successful, and nothing if not successful.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: avromie7 on February 16, 2017, 09:10:00 AM
The registrant of the vehicle identified in the Notice of Liability has been charged with violating New York State Vehicle and Traffic Law
section 1111-c, because the operator of the vehicle stood, parked or entered a bus lane during the restricted hours and did not make
an immediate right hand turn. Claim that the violation occurred "just shy of 7:00 p.m." when the regulation expired, is not a valid defense to the violation charged. The record is reviewed and considered. Guilty.

 >:( >:( >:(
I hate this city!!
Isn't there a 5 minute grace period?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: googwallet on February 16, 2017, 09:31:10 AM
Isn't there a 5 minute grace period?
Apparently only for alternative side tickets
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: ckmk47 on February 16, 2017, 09:32:55 AM
Isn't there a 5 minute grace period?
Apparently only for alternative side tickets
And for meters.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Der Deutsche Jude on April 09, 2017, 08:08:48 PM
I got an ASP ticket that says "opposite such and such address."  Does that refer to the address on the other side or same side of the street? 
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: yochiek93 on April 09, 2017, 08:45:38 PM
I got an ASP ticket that says "opposite such and such address."  Does that refer to the address on the other side or same side of the street?
Other side
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on May 02, 2017, 11:16:53 PM
Watched a traffic police strike three double-parked cars (on two different blocks) by 11:02. Vicious!
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: myi on May 03, 2017, 01:04:13 AM
Watched a traffic police strike three double-parked cars (on two different blocks) by 11:02. Vicious!
vicious is not the word, how can one take such a job? Knowing that I'm getting up each day to cause 100 people's lives miserable today. And then go home to his family and relax and back to bed to get strength to continue his job to ruin another X amount of people's day.
 Yes it's a job,but a job which every guy is ready to shoot and kill them.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on May 03, 2017, 01:07:33 AM
vicious is not the word, how can one take such a job? Knowing that I'm getting up each day to cause 100 people's lives miserable today. And then go home to his family and relax and back to bed to get strength to continue his job to ruin another X amount of people's day.
 Yes it's a job,but a job which every guy is ready to shoot and kill them.
Look at those who have this job. Do they look like people who would otherwise qualify for anything else? You rarely see cops giving such tickets. I seriously view the street cleaners (Simcha Felder's Project Sweep etc.) as more respectable human beings.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: danzz72 on June 24, 2017, 11:41:16 PM
Anyone have any good excuses to get out of a double parking ticket of a non-commercial vehicle ? It was double parked on a school block in Brooklyn because they was alternate side parking in effect, and everyone double parks at those hours anyway.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: myi on June 24, 2017, 11:54:05 PM
Anyone have any good excuses to get out of a double parking ticket of a non-commercial vehicle ? It was double parked on a school block in Brooklyn because they was alternate side parking in effect, and everyone double parks at those hours anyway.
if you were dropping your small kids off in the school, and now you could not park in front of the school for 2 min to take my kid up because of asp and of course didn't want to get in the way of the sweeping trucks so doubled parked for a second to run up to my son's class and come right back to a nice big present for taking my kid safely into class.
 I think such an excuse would be dismissed but don't know all the details by you.
 Good luck.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: myi on June 24, 2017, 11:56:18 PM
Got an ASP ticket 6 min after the time (930-1100) came at 9:36am and just getting the ticket, any decent excuse for why I missed it by 6 min on the dot?!
 I did park 2-3 blocks down because there were no spots and had no choice to take that spot if I wanted to go to sleep that night. ;)
 Thanks
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: yochiek93 on June 25, 2017, 12:07:29 AM
Anyone have any good excuses to get out of a double parking ticket of a non-commercial vehicle ? It was double parked on a school block in Brooklyn because they was alternate side parking in effect, and everyone double parks at those hours anyway.
School blocks they ticket
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on June 29, 2017, 07:09:35 PM
Something went wrong with NYPD's meter maids today. I had my car parked on 13th Ave. Boro Park for more than a half hour after my meter receipt expired and came back to find NO TICKET  :o BH!

The ironic part is that when I realized that I'm overtime I didn't even rush back to my car, assuming that it had definitely been ticketed!  :)
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: myi on June 29, 2017, 07:13:33 PM
Something went wrong with NYPD's meter maids today. I had my car parked on 13th Ave. Boro Park for more than a half hour after my meter receipt expired and came back to find NO TICKET  :o BH!

The ironic part is that when I realized that I'm overtime I didn't even rush back to my car, assuming that it had definitely been ticketed!  :)
Nah it was very windy today, I was wondering why when I opened my car door a ticket came flying in, most probably yours. Lol ;)
 Look at the bright side you saved $.50. :)
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on June 29, 2017, 08:41:19 PM

 Look at the bright side you saved $.50. :)
I'm looking at the even brighter side. I saved $35!  :)
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: myi on June 29, 2017, 09:20:13 PM
I'm looking at the even brighter side. I saved $35!  :)
Nope $45, I guess you haven't got a ticket in a while. ;)
 Was surprised to see ,but they upped it to $45.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on June 29, 2017, 09:28:03 PM
Nope $45, I guess you haven't got a ticket in a while. ;)
 Was surprised to see ,but they upped it to $45.
I'm getting happier by the minute!  :D

For all I know, you're now going to charge me 10% of the extra ten dollars "you saved" me...  ;D
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: yossig on June 30, 2017, 05:52:43 PM
Nope $45, I guess you haven't got a ticket in a while. ;)
 Was surprised to see ,but they upped it to $45.
i got 2 in last 2 weeks and they were both $35
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: myi on July 02, 2017, 06:45:45 AM
i got 2 in last 2 weeks and they were both $35
That's really weird, just got one last week and it said $45, wonder why some parts of ny is $45 and some $35? We're you parked in a commercial area or residential? 
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: dovy2 on July 02, 2017, 09:18:33 AM
Asp is 45 and meter is 35.
Thread is about asp, but the above oster mentioned a meter story.. Hence the confusion
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: myi on July 02, 2017, 02:21:20 PM
Asp is 45 and meter is 35.
Thread is about asp, but the above oster mentioned a meter story.. Hence the confusion
yes, I mixed the two up, thanks for clarifying!
 
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: shmuelg on July 24, 2017, 09:02:20 AM
ASP till 1:30, was still double parked at 1:33 got a ticket $115.
Anyone have luck with grace period like this, or better to claim I was loading my car?
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: peroneustertius on July 25, 2017, 04:28:21 PM
You can try for the grace period claim. Loading your car would be lying unless you were actually loading your car.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: yochiek93 on July 26, 2017, 04:46:07 AM
You can try for the grace period claim. Loading your car would be lying unless you were actually loading your car.
Why would grace period help? it's officially illegal to double park even during asp,
Most meter maids look away but they don't need to.
ETA: http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/motorist/parking-regulations.shtml
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: elimmm on July 29, 2019, 01:12:33 AM
Just the other day, "my meter maid" (asp ticketer) explained to me that it depends on the block, some community boards allow double parking during street cleaning and some don't. That explains why some blocks in Brooklyn are all double parked and others get tix
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: myi on January 28, 2020, 09:21:06 AM
City hasn't been making enough money and people were taking the spot for the week for $45.. so up they go to $65 a parking ticket for ASP!
 Wacky world, the city doesn't stop robbing us!

 The streets are nasty any ways, have no clue what those sweeper trucks do!
 Make it every 2nd week or so, not ever week and some blocks 2-3 times..
 Have yet to see a town or city that has like nyc!
   And the funny part is the streets are not even clean!
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Joel on January 28, 2020, 09:28:44 AM
City hasn't been making enough money and people were taking the spot for the week for $45.. so up they go to $65 a parking ticket for ASP!
 Wacky world, the city doesn't stop robbing us!

 The streets are nasty any ways, have no clue what those sweeper trucks do!
 Make it every 2nd week or so, not ever week and some blocks 2-3 times..
 Have yet to see a town or city that has like nyc!
   And the funny part is the streets are not even clean!
The ppl who eat the $45 every week or twice a week will continue to pay $65 I dont see the street becoming cleaner.
The ones who cant afford the ticket and wake up late or travel it will hurt way more now.
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: myi on January 28, 2020, 09:29:40 AM
The ppl who eat the $45 every week or twice a week will continue to pay $65 I dont see the street becoming cleaner.
The ones who cant afford the ticket and wake up late or travel it will hurt evan more.
Yup, the city needs money!
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: Boruch Parnes on January 28, 2020, 03:30:11 PM
Yup, the city needs money!
its called raising taxes
Title: Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
Post by: E.c on August 29, 2020, 11:10:22 PM
Friend left car asp at the corner of his block. Ticket said he was in front of first house on the block not the corner house(which he was parked in front of). Anyone know if thats how its supposed to be written?
If not,the address the ticket was written for is under construction and does not have a current address properly displayed...
Would appreciate any help
Thanks!