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Title: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: PlatinumGuy on May 10, 2012, 08:17:55 PM
Not looking for a deal.
Casually looking for a PC, similar to Mac Air.

Thinkpad X1 looks good, but would prefer a larger screen. Looking for as much Battery life, RAM, weight, & durability money can buy.
Budget is not unlimited, but definitely looking to spend over $1000.

TIA
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: Name Changed on May 10, 2012, 08:36:43 PM
Mac Air is a Ultrabook, they arent too powerful, I dont think what you are looking for is comparable to a Mac Air.

What size screen are you looking for? 14"?

Can I have it for $798? :P
The XPS 14z might be a good deal for you.

Off the bat this is what I recommend.

If you could be a little more specific in what your needs of the PC is for...
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: PlatinumGuy on May 10, 2012, 08:38:04 PM
Mac Air is a Ultrabook, they arent too powerful, I dont think what you are looking for is comparable to a Mac Air.

What size screen are you looking for? 14"?
The XPS 14z might be a good deal for you.

Off the bat this is what I recommend.

If you could be a little more specific in what your needs of the PC is for...
Portable is more important than raw power. Just a high end pc.
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: Name Changed on May 10, 2012, 08:39:18 PM
Portable is more important than raw power. Just a high end pc.
Did you look into the XPS 14z?

Do you want an optical drive?
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: PlatinumGuy on May 10, 2012, 08:44:50 PM
Did you look into the XPS 14z?

Do you want an optical drive?
I am. I am totally not tech savvy.... so thanks a lot for helping.
I don't need an optical drive. Cellular would be nice, but not necessary.
would love a 17" ultra book, but FWIU they don't come bigger than 13"
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: lcyitz on May 10, 2012, 08:45:37 PM
How about the Sony VAIO  S    series?
no bigger than a 15.5 screen
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: PlatinumGuy on May 10, 2012, 08:47:50 PM
How about the Sony VAIO  S    series?
no bigger than a 15.5 screen
Battery life seems terrible.
If you could be a little more specific in what your needs of the PC is for...
posting on DDF
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: lcyitz on May 10, 2012, 08:51:31 PM
They have Free extended sheet battery now, but it might make it to thick.
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: Name Changed on May 10, 2012, 08:52:31 PM
I am. I am totally not tech savvy.... so thanks a lot for helping.
I don't need an optical drive. Cellular would be nice, but not necessary.
would love a 17" ultra book, but FWIU they don't come bigger than 13"
As I said Ultra books aren't powerful. Their processors are all the mobile version, for example - the i5 is 1.6GHz as apposing to a laptop i5 that's 2.5GHz
Also you are more likely to find an ultra book with 4GB of ram as apposed to 8GB

The battery life on an Ultrabook wont be as long as Laptop, as they are much thinner and dont have as big of a better.

How about the Sony VAIO  S    series?
no bigger than a 15.5 screen
Is a nice laptop, Its not that thin, but its a pretty sleek build.

But I personally dont think a 15.6" laptop is portable.






Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: Name Changed on May 10, 2012, 08:54:45 PM
Posting on DDF
Lol

But seriously.

Do you multi task a lot when you use a computer? Do you have tonz of tabs open on ur internet browser?

Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: Dan on May 10, 2012, 08:55:32 PM
Vaio Z1
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: Name Changed on May 10, 2012, 08:59:45 PM
Vaio Z1

Seems like you still are in luv with yours :)

Its $1,579.88 on Amazon

I would say this would be a really good option for PlatinumGuy, but he is looking for a little bigger.

Also the specs are older, its the first gen sandy bride i5, the newer ivy bridge is already out ...

I forgot to mention earlier - a plus about ultrabooks over laptops is that they typical ultra-book has a SSD drive
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: PlatinumGuy on May 10, 2012, 09:09:48 PM
Lol

But seriously.

Do you multi task a lot when you use a computer? Do you have tonz of tabs open on ur internet browser?
You got it. Mac Air is pretty good with that though, don't think the processor is a problem, but I can use more RAM (thing does freak out at 12+ tabs sometimes)


I'm very impatient, so start-up time is important too.
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: Name Changed on May 10, 2012, 09:18:51 PM
You got it. Mac Air is pretty good with that though, don't think the processor is a problem, but I can use more RAM (thing does freak out at 12+ tabs sometimes)

I'm very impatient, so start-up time is important too.
I always have 10+ tabs open, Usually at least 2 browser and at least 1-2 Documents.
I have 8Gb of ram and it works fine. (I used to have 4Gb and upgraded)

Ultrabooks are gonna be harder to upgrade the ram if possible, Laptops are easy to upgrade.

SSD drives is what will give you the quick boot time.

If you are leaning more towards an Ultrabook Dell came out recently with the XPS 13. I dont know if you could upgrade the ram, and the most offered is 4GB.

Its a nice Ultrabook, but has basically no features other than a keyboard and screen :)

Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: PlatinumGuy on May 10, 2012, 09:24:02 PM
I always have 10+ tabs open, Usually at least 2 browser and at least 1-2 Documents.
I have 8Gb of ram and it works fine. (I used to have 4Gb and upgraded)

Ultrabooks are gonna be harder to upgrade the ram if possible, Laptops are easy to upgrade.

SSD drives is what will give you the quick boot time.

If you are leaning more towards an Ultrabook Dell came out recently with the XPS 13. I dont know if you could upgrade the ram, and the most offered is 4GB.

Its a nice Ultrabook, but has basically no features other than a keyboard and screen :)
I looked, but didn't seem like much. 13" is pretty small. I wonder why none of them make big laptops, there's a large market of people who don't care at all about the price & need better computers. Hopefully Apple will come out with a 15" Air (as rumored).
OT but I heard today Apple is about to lower the price of the 10" Air to $700? Anyone heard the same?
Title: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: lcyitz on May 10, 2012, 09:32:25 PM
Yes I did on a cnet video I believe.
Title: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: Name Changed on May 10, 2012, 10:10:34 PM
Something to keep in mind - is that the screen resolution makes a big difference.

The typical screen res is 768p (its 1380x768) No matter how many inch screen the laptop screen size is, if the res is 768p it will be able to display the same amount as a 15.6" laptop.

Apples Mac Air 13" is a 900p

If you could find a 14" laptop with 900p it will prob be equivalent to 15.6" (the res is actually higher than the typical 15.6") so you will gain the fact that its smaller and more portable, and even though its a smaller screen you aren't really sacrificing anything.

Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: PlatinumGuy on May 10, 2012, 10:14:23 PM
Something to keep in mind - is that the screen resolution makes a big difference.

The typical screen res is 768p (its 1380x768) No matter how many inch screen the laptop screen size is, if the res is 768p it will be able to display the same amount as a 15.6" laptop.

Apples Mac Air 13" is a 900p

If you could find a 14" laptop with 900p it will prob be equivalent to 15.6" (the res is actually higher than the typical 15.6") so you will gain the fact that its smaller and more portable, and even though its a smaller screen you aren't really sacrificing anything.
OK, thx. This is a long term operation, so please post back if something good comes up.
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: PlatinumGuy on May 11, 2012, 07:27:46 AM
Vaio Z1
Thanks.
The 13" Zaio, Custom made with:
Intel® Core™ i7-2640M processor (2.80GHz / 3.50GHz with Turbo Boost)
Windows® 7 Ultimate 64-bit
128GB SSD
8GB (4GB x2 fixed onboard) DDR3-SDRAM-1333
Verizon Wireless, AT&T, and Sprint 3G wireless mobile broadband built-in
Internal (4000mAh) + sheet (4400mAh) lithium polymer batteries
Comes to a whopping $2500 (https://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SYCTOProcess?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&LBomId=8198552921666412480&categoryId=8198552921644846498).

Not entirely ruling it out, but seems like a heck of a lot of money.

I think I can pass on the processor, so -$150, perhaps also with Windows Home Premium (Don't even know the difference yet, use mac now) -$150.

I just can't see how this is worth $1000 more than a mac air.

Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: Name Changed on May 11, 2012, 09:25:50 AM
Thanks.
The 13" Zaio, Custom made with:
Intel® Core™ i7-2640M processor (2.80GHz / 3.50GHz with Turbo Boost)
Windows® 7 Ultimate 64-bit
128GB SSD
8GB (4GB x2 fixed onboard) DDR3-SDRAM-1333
Verizon Wireless, AT&T, and Sprint 3G wireless mobile broadband built-in
Internal (4000mAh) + sheet (4400mAh) lithium polymer batteries
Comes to a whopping $2500 (https://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SYCTOProcess?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&LBomId=8198552921666412480&categoryId=8198552921644846498).

Not entirely ruling it out, but seems like a heck of a lot of money.

I think I can pass on the processor, so -$150, perhaps also with Windows Home Premium (Don't even know the difference yet, use mac now) -$150.

I just can't see how this is worth $1000 more than a mac air.
This is actually a really powerful PC in the body of an Ultrabook

The specs are really nice, and not the mobile processor version.
Has dedicated 1GB Graphics - this is built for gaming, or real work - photoshop ect...

They prob are charging this price cuz they could, these specs on an Ultrabook aint common.

It will be way more powerful than an mac Air (not that you need it ;))
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: PlatinumGuy on May 11, 2012, 09:28:58 AM
This is actually a really powerful PC in the body of an Ultrabook

The specs are really nice, and not the mobile processor version.
Has dedicated 1GB Graphics - this is built for gaming, or real work - photoshop ect...

They prob are charging this price cuz they could, these specs on an Ultrabook aint common.

It will be way more powerful than an mac Air (not that you need it ;))
Come show me a photshop guy who earns as much as I do from a 3BM...

Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: Name Changed on May 11, 2012, 09:31:20 AM
Come show me a photshop guy who earns as much as I do from a 3BM...
Lol ;)

I meant real work - any type of app that needs a powerful comp for.
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: Dan on May 11, 2012, 11:30:10 AM
Thanks.
The 13" Zaio, Custom made with:
Intel® Core™ i7-2640M processor (2.80GHz / 3.50GHz with Turbo Boost)
Windows® 7 Ultimate 64-bit
128GB SSD
8GB (4GB x2 fixed onboard) DDR3-SDRAM-1333
Verizon Wireless, AT&T, and Sprint 3G wireless mobile broadband built-in
Internal (4000mAh) + sheet (4400mAh) lithium polymer batteries
Comes to a whopping $2500 (https://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SYCTOProcess?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&LBomId=8198552921666412480&categoryId=8198552921644846498).

Not entirely ruling it out, but seems like a heck of a lot of money.

I think I can pass on the processor, so -$150, perhaps also with Windows Home Premium (Don't even know the difference yet, use mac now) -$150.

I just can't see how this is worth $1000 more than a mac air.


That's a Z2, good luck finding a Z1.
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: PlatinumGuy on May 11, 2012, 11:31:16 AM
That's a Z2, good luck finding a Z1.
Not in production anymore?
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: Dan on May 11, 2012, 11:40:09 AM
Not in production anymore?
Nope. Best laptop ever though.
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: PlatinumGuy on May 11, 2012, 11:49:14 AM
Nope. Best laptop ever though.
So they stopped making their best laptop ever? no wonder they're bankrupt
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: PlatinumGuy on May 12, 2012, 02:31:27 PM
This is actually a really powerful PC in the body of an Ultrabook

The specs are really nice, and not the mobile processor version.
Has dedicated 1GB Graphics - this is built for gaming, or real work - photoshop ect...

They prob are charging this price cuz they could, these specs on an Ultrabook aint common.

It will be way more powerful than an mac Air (not that you need it ;))
Thanks again.
Assuming I don't use photo/video editing, while I understand the difference won't be significant, will I be able to tell a slight difference?
IF I shell out so much on a pc, I would pay the extra $150 for even the smallest difference.
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: AsherO on May 13, 2012, 01:29:15 AM
Thanks.
The 13null Zaio, Custom made with:
Intel® Core™ i7-2640M processor (2.80GHz / 3.50GHz with Turbo Boost)
Windows® 7 Ultimate 64-bit
128GB SSD
8GB (4GB x2 fixed onboard) DDR3-SDRAM-1333
Verizon Wireless, ATnullT, and Sprint 3G wireless mobile broadband built-in
Internal (4000mAh) + sheet (4400mAh) lithium polymer batteries
Comes to a whopping $2500 (https://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SYCTOProcess?catalogId=10551nullstoreId=10151nulllangId=-1nullLBomId=8198552921666412480nullcategoryId=8198552921644846498).

Not entirely ruling it out, but seems like a heck of a lot of money.

I think I can pass on the processor, so -$150, perhaps also with Windows Home Premium (Don't even know the difference yet, use mac now) -$150.

I just can't see how this is worth $1000 more than a mac air.

Zaio, Like! lol :P

It's infinitely better than a MBA, though I agree, not worth the price.

Nope. Best laptop ever though.

I had the Dell 700m and (considering what was out there at the time) it was (IMHO) a much better value at $700 compared to my Zaio (thanks PlatinumGuy) Z12's $1,800 sticker price, even after adjusting for inflation.

@Name Changed, the Z2 has this annoying external thing you need for the 1gb GPU etc. Interesting concept, but not the same as having it all built in.
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: Name Changed on May 13, 2012, 09:34:39 AM
@Name Changed, the Z2 has this annoying external thing you need for the 1gb GPU etc. Interesting concept, but not the same as having it all built in.
Yea, Its basically a dock.

But as per the specs - 2 SSD Drives for Raid 0 and a standard i5 or i7 processor, I doubt there is any room for them to put in a 1GB card into the body of the laptop ... if there was room, they prob would. But I guess what they are thinking that the times you need the capability of a 1GB graphics than its not such a big deal to dock the computer, and u'll get a USB 3.0, HDMI and a Optical Drive.

Its a nice PC, but IMHO not worth the price. I also am not happy that they only give you the option for raid 0. Obviously with 2 SSD Drives the laptop will be super fast, but your data isnt too safe.
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: Name Changed on June 13, 2012, 09:38:34 AM
@PlatinumGuy

Now that the new macbook is out - Here (http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MC975LL/A?)

Maybe you would consider it. It is really slim (what you want) and has a 15.6" screen
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: L'Chaim on June 14, 2012, 07:47:26 AM
How about the Sony VAIO S series?
no bigger than a 15.5 screen
+1
Got mine when it came out and worth all the money!!!
Also portable enough for the screen size...
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: Name Changed on July 25, 2012, 02:24:17 PM
@ PlatinumGuy

This Samsung  (http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msstore/pd/Samsung-Series-9-900X4B-A02/productID.247340500/parentCategoryID.44066900/categoryID.50787200/list.true)Laptop might be what you are looking for. Its an Ultrakook, really thin and portable, has a 15" screen, i5 processor 8GB ram, SSD Drive, 900p display.

Its Priced at $1099

With a free Xbox

UR mall 4x Points

5% off with an Amex Open Biz Card
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 25, 2012, 03:18:07 PM
@ PlatinumGuy

This Samsung  (http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msstore/pd/Samsung-Series-9-900X4B-A02/productID.247340500/parentCategoryID.44066900/categoryID.50787200/list.true)Laptop might be what you are looking for. Its an Ultrakook, really thin and portable, has a 15" screen, i5 processor 8GB ram, SSD Drive, 900p display.

Its Priced at $1099

With a free Xbox

UR mall 4x Points

5% off with an Amex Open Biz Card
Thanks a lot!
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 25, 2012, 03:56:16 PM
I took a look, the vaio is on sale now, though they are confusing me by calling them all the Z series.

It seems the $1000 premium for the Sony give me a better processor, built in LTE, lighter PC, a bit thicker, smaller screen.

I think the screen size is the most important for me, but while the specs look amazing on the Samsung, the price is suspiciously low, no?


What would be the best store to actually go and hold one in my hands?
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: Name Changed on July 25, 2012, 04:02:31 PM
I took a look, the vaio is on sale now, though they are confusing me by calling them all the Z series.

It seems the $1000 premium for the Sony give me a better processor, built in LTE, lighter PC, a bit thicker, smaller screen.

I think the screen size is the most important for me, but while the specs look amazing on the Samsung, the price is suspiciously low, no?


What would be the best store to actually go and hold one in my hands?
Link for the Vaio?
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 25, 2012, 04:06:27 PM
Link for the Vaio?
Their site is very confusing, but they have a nice clearance sale.

http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SYCTOProcess?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&LBomId=8198552921666412480&categoryId=8198552921644859027


From what I can remember, the configuration that now cost $1970 was $2500 last time I checked.

The reason I didn't buy anything yet is because I have a 13" MBA, so this isn't such a necessity for me.
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: Name Changed on July 25, 2012, 04:25:59 PM
Their site is very confusing, but they have a nice clearance sale.

http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SYCTOProcess?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&LBomId=8198552921666412480&categoryId=8198552921644859027


From what I can remember, the configuration that now cost $1970 was $2500 last time I checked.

The reason I didn't buy anything yet is because I have a 13" MBA, so this isn't such a necessity for me.
The Sony is deff a much more powerful of a machine.

The cons are - price, and its a 13" (when you want a 15")

The processor options are the standard laptop i5, or i7, but the Samsung has the mobile version which are a scaled down version, and wont give you optimum performance.

The Samsung is now a really good deal. It all depends on what exactly you prefer and what you wanna spend.

Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 25, 2012, 04:56:18 PM
I appreciate your insight, I will think about it.  It might be worthwhile for me to wait for a 15" sony.
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: AsherO on July 25, 2012, 05:01:00 PM
@ PlatinumGuy

This Samsung  (http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msstore/pd/Samsung-Series-9-900X4B-A02/productID.247340500/parentCategoryID.44066900/categoryID.50787200/list.true)Laptop might be what you are looking for. Its an Ultrakook, really thin and portable, has a 15" screen, i5 processor 8GB ram, SSD Drive, 900p display.

Its Priced at $1099

With a free Xbox

UR mall 4x Points

5% off with an Amex Open Biz Card

Beautiful machine, amazing weight for a 15"

http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SYCTOProcess?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&LBomId=8198552921666412480&categoryId=8198552921644859027

@Name Changed: Is this the long-awaited replacement for the Z11/12/21? Can we please get a mini-review/comparison to the aforementioned Z models?

I appreciate your insight, I will think about it.  It might be worthwhile for me to wait for a 15" sony.

I don't think you'll find a Sony comparable to that Samsung, and if you do it'll cost double or triple IMHO.
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 25, 2012, 05:02:13 PM
I would probably prefer pay double for a bigger Sony.
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: Dan on July 25, 2012, 05:02:33 PM
@Name Changed: Is this the long-awaited replacement for the Z11/12/21? Can we please get a mini-review/comparison to the aforementioned Z models?
PMD: Not for me :P
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: AsherO on July 25, 2012, 05:06:59 PM
I would probably prefer pay double for a bigger Sony.

1. There's no indication they're launching such a model anytime soon (the Samsung is 3.5 Lbs. which is very light for 15").
2. Even if they do launch such a model, it might not match up as far as specs etc. go.
3. The Sony brand isn't worth it, trust me. (I'm saying that even though I'm very happy with my Sony Z Ka"h, I had an issue while under warranty and there was noone to talk to).

PMD: Not for me :P

???
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: Name Changed on July 25, 2012, 05:11:10 PM
@Name Changed: Is this the long-awaited replacement for the Z11/12/21? Can we please get a mini-review/comparison to the aforementioned Z models?
I am not very familiar with the Z models, so I cant give much of a mini-review/comparison

I don't think you'll find a Sony comparable to that Samsung, and if you do it'll cost double or triple IMHO.
+1 Well said
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: Dan on July 25, 2012, 05:12:51 PM
???
Power media dock where they stuck the replaceable battery, GPU and DVD drive.
I prefer to have all those built-in as the Z11 and Z12 had.
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: AsherO on July 25, 2012, 05:13:51 PM
Power media dock where they stuck the replaceable battery, GPU and DVD drive.
I prefer to have all those built-in as the Z11 and Z12 had.

Agree 1000%.
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: Dan on July 25, 2012, 05:15:07 PM
Agree 1000%.
Such a shame, the Z11/12 truly are everything one can ask for in a laptop form factor and now there's not one manufacturer making a similar model.
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 25, 2012, 05:15:36 PM
@AsherO, I agree with you. I don't need a pc now, so for the time being I prefer waiting. Budget is a complicated topic which involves my work, so let's not go into that.

At the end of the day, the top pc in the market will have a premium, as theres no competition, so even if it's only a little bit better than the second best, I think there's quite a large market segment that wants the best possible regardless of price. This is all the more true when there no competitor that comes close to the specs.

Now, I'm not saying budget isn't a concern, that's the reason I didn't buy one yet. But, the premium might be worthwhile for me under the circumstances.

My issue is that not a single one of these is something that I see to buy better than the MBA. I know the pro's say it's a joke, but other than lack of optical drive (I never have enough time between booking and flying to download movies, but I can tell u the fastest wifi spot in quite a few lounges) it is really excellent. I don't do Photoshop, but now Im thinking of doing that a little. If offered to trade in my MBA for any of theses, I wouldn't take it. So it's not so appealing to me, I prefer to spend the money on a fancy SLR. The problem is that I need a specific program that is not compatible with Mac.
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: DH Data Recovery on July 25, 2012, 09:14:12 PM
This may sound out of left field, but as a data recovery specialist I strongly advise against any ssd drives - unless you dont have anything of value on the computer or the laptop is backed up constantly!
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: Name Changed on July 25, 2012, 10:15:15 PM
This may sound out of left field, but as a data recovery specialist I strongly advise against any ssd drives - unless you dont have anything of value on the computer or the laptop is backed up constantly!
I can't hold myself back from arguing...

The failure rate of SSD drives is so much lower than standarf drives, that with a occasional backup anyone should be fine.

Its a very drastic or paranoid thing to say to not use SSD drives.

I actually would recommend a SSD drive, as typically most peoples files aren't that valuable to pay $700-$2000 on recovery, and typically sensitive files are backed up

Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 25, 2012, 10:25:22 PM
It seems like eilu vaeilu devri elokim chaim, SSD is less likely to fail, but harder to recover. I happen to agree with NC that as a consumer I prefer something more durable, I don't have any files I care about losing.
Title: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: WhyAich on July 25, 2012, 10:29:45 PM
It seems like eilu vaeilu devri elokim chaim,
Lehavdil Eleff ;) havdalos
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: Name Changed on July 25, 2012, 10:33:11 PM
It seems like eilu vaeilu devri elokim chaim, SSD is less likely to fail, but harder to recover. I happen to agree with NC that as a consumer I prefer something more durable, I don't have any files I care about losing.
Besides more durable its faster.

I am recommending for a consumer. DH Data Recovery is coming from a business point of view which I do agree to for a business laptop...
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: DH Data Recovery on July 25, 2012, 10:37:37 PM
As someone in the field of data recovery I will explain some importnat details about ssd that arent known to most ppl. Although you probably having seen this yet because its still new technology and isn't being used as much I've gotten some of them and they are disastrous.
#1 ssd has a limited amount of read and writes per drives before they fail completely - if you are interested in more details I can explain this in depth. The ssd manufacturers are actually aware of this and have implemented a part of the drive thats responsible for looking at sectors that havent been used as much and write data there. However the drive will fail after that number of read and writes and the nand chips will actually start losing sectors. I have recieved a few ssd drive that were almost entirely empty - the sectors literally dissapear!
#2 whereas regular hard drive can fail by having multiple bad sectors (not talking about hard drive that fall - in that respect ssd is way superior!) ssd drives are made up by multiple banks of nands. the data is distributed among them randomly - meanin 1 photo isnt on 1 nand its distributed in bits and pieces among multiple chips! so if one dies you are looking at reconstructing a very complex array! (it makes raid 5 look like a cakewalk)
#3 hard drives have been around for a whiule and they have cewrtain industry standards that have been implemented by the hard drive association - ssd has no industry compliance standards and no smart detection (smart is included in most hard drive its supposed to work as a early warning that the drive is failing) and they can use any cheap parts they want. The reason we arent seeing such tremendous failure rates is because the read and write limits will be coming up soon.
and by the way I can recover most drives for under $750 - ssd drive very often can't be recovered.
I can keep going if you want...
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: Lamdan on July 25, 2012, 10:50:56 PM
All this is true, but the avg guy with a laptop will backup his pc every 3 mos. on an external drive, if his comp gets fried no ones gonna go nuts over 3 mos. of pics. we'll take the risk.
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: DH Data Recovery on July 25, 2012, 11:00:53 PM
from my experience the avg guydoesnt back up at all. he has all his baby pictures of his 3 kids and then his drive dies!
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: Name Changed on July 25, 2012, 11:07:58 PM
from my experience the avg guydoesnt back up at all. he has all his baby pictures of his 3 kids and then his drive dies!
But the SSD Drive is typically found in Ultra Books and they aren't the typical home laptop, used more for travel and potability...
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 25, 2012, 11:10:41 PM
Well, MR DH Data Recovery, welcome to DDF, it's so nice having a variety of professions onboard.
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: DH Data Recovery on July 25, 2012, 11:24:11 PM
@name changed - you may be right about what ppl are saving on ultraportable laptops - my point is just making ppl aware that although you think ssd is safer - its only stable while it lasts - so make sure to have a real time backup in place if you have any important data.
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: DH Data Recovery on July 25, 2012, 11:27:07 PM
and btw - although pictures aren't worth as much when it comes to paying for a recovery, they are worth as much when you are thinkimng in advance. so choose wisely and always back up regardless!
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: Lamdan on July 25, 2012, 11:38:36 PM
from my experience the avg guydoesnt back up at all. he has all his baby pictures of his 3 kids and then his drive dies!
the avg guy that comes to you most definitely doesn't back up. The avg guy who goes to a cardiologist has heart problems.
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: jj1000 on July 25, 2012, 11:45:53 PM
the avg guy that comes to you most definitely doesn't back up. The avg guy who goes to a cardiologist has heart problems.
So a cardiologist thinks the average guy has heart problems? You think professionals live in a bubble? If anything they know what most people do because they are in the field, studied it, observed it, etc.
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: DH Data Recovery on July 25, 2012, 11:50:14 PM
@lamdan I work on thousands of computers - not only data recovery!! but i think it would make sense to listen to someone that knows the field....
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: Lamdan on July 26, 2012, 12:03:28 AM
@lamdan I work on thousands of computers - not only data recovery!! but i think it would make sense to listen to someone that knows the field....
OK, you wrote "from my experience", I thought all you do is data recovery, I thought you were overestimating.
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: DH Data Recovery on July 26, 2012, 12:07:21 AM
its ok, just so you understand what I mean - USB flash drives and SD cards are solid state technology. I would say over 50% of users have had an sd card or USB flash drive completely stop working on them for no apparent reason!
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: Saver2000 on July 26, 2012, 12:08:23 AM
Yes, I do think some proffesionals live in a bubble. Like the guy that deals w/ kids at risk that publicly says that 20% of kids text on shabbos.

Guys if you don't mind, please start a new thread.  No reason to take an informative  thread OT.
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: DH Data Recovery on July 26, 2012, 09:40:04 AM
I'm not really certain why this conversation ended up here - and why you guys are continuing it - you can start a new thread and discuss hypotheticals and problems with todays generation! This is a computer topic
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: DH Data Recovery on July 26, 2012, 09:44:16 AM
you want to continue this subject that badly?
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: DH Data Recovery on July 26, 2012, 09:50:20 AM
thanks lamdan,
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: Lamdan on July 26, 2012, 02:45:10 PM
thanks lamdan,
you can thank Dan.
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: WhyAich on July 30, 2012, 02:13:00 PM
not sure where this goes... any thoughts on the actual  computer? not the deal...

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/HP+-+20%22+Touch-Screen+TouchSmart+All-In-One+Computer+-+4GB+Memory+-+1TB+Hard+Drive/9912753.p?id=1218194156457&skuId=9912753&st=HP%20TouchSmart%20300-1128%2020-inch%20All-in-One&cp=1&lp=3
Title: Re: Best PC laptop (non deal)
Post by: DH Data Recovery on July 30, 2012, 03:51:31 PM
terrible price! processor is not that great either