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Title: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: mercaz1 on May 25, 2012, 01:25:15 PM
does anyone have any reliable information on a symbol
it is a chof inside a Q
it is from i think r' aryeh spero
the item is called Harvest Pride
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: A3 on May 25, 2012, 03:07:00 PM
I was told from one the Vaadim in South Florida its not recommended at this time.
kinda looks like a magnifier glass?
Whats the product, maybe it doesn't need a hecsher at all?
Title: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: WhyAich on May 25, 2012, 03:41:40 PM
Does anyone know a square with a Large K and the letters ORC going from top to bottom inside the square (on the right side of the K) is good?

(for some reason I can't upload a pic)
Title: Re: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: sky121 on May 25, 2012, 03:53:50 PM
Does anyone know a square with a Large K and the letters ORC going from top to bottom inside the square (on the right side of the K) is good?

(for some reason I can't upload a pic)

I know that hechsher. I've heard conflicting answers whether its reliable or not. I believe it comes from a Rabbi in San Francisco if I'm not mistaken. 
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: jj1000 on May 25, 2012, 03:54:01 PM
You may find some help here http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=14913.msg201404#msg201404 scroll through there is a website link that has a list...

ETA couldn't find that hechsher on that list. sorry
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: harry on May 28, 2012, 07:49:44 AM
keep in mind that there are many products which are ok even without a hechsher. So it would depend what the product is.

The famous answer to describe an unreliable hechsher: "It is a good hechsher for water".
Title: Kashrus
Post by: MosheP on January 10, 2013, 12:41:34 PM
I know there has been talk of starting a Kashrus Master Thread. I searched and couldn't find a thread dedicated to Kashrus. I choose GD over JS to keep this thread civil and informative.

I have a question about a Kashrus orginization in Mexico called ka-kosher, link (http://www.ka-kosher.com/) to their website. See below for a picture of their stamp/seal. It says on the website that the Rav Hamachshir is R' Chaim Cohen, a graduate of BMG and used to work for the OK. HAs anyone heard of him/them? Are they reliable?

(http://i47.tinypic.com/e63hg1.jpg)
Title: Re: Kashrus
Post by: mochada on January 10, 2013, 02:03:05 PM
Not on R'Eidlitz's website http://kosherquest.org/symbols.php
I would inquire with R'Eidlitz
Title: Re: Kashrus
Post by: Ebaystores on January 10, 2013, 03:51:36 PM
Back when I worked from a kashrus agency I was told by a member of one of the big agencies that it is not recommended. I wont say in public the reason he gave but suffice it to say it was a valid enough reason not to trust the guy.
Title: Re: Kashrus
Post by: robi on January 10, 2013, 04:07:42 PM
Anyone know what the deal is with r Meir Goldberg vaad hakashrus of Flatbush?
Title: Re: Re: Kashrus
Post by: kracked dude on January 10, 2013, 06:30:01 PM
I know there has been talk of starting a Kashrus Master Thread. I searched and couldn't find a thread dedicated to Kashrus. I choose GD over JS to keep this thread civil and informative.

I have a question about a Kashrus orginization in Mexico called ka-kosher, link (http://www.ka-kosher.com/) to their website. See below for a picture of their stamp/seal. It says on the website that the Rav Hamachshir is R' Chaim Cohen, a graduate of BMG and used to work for the OK. HAs anyone heard of him/them? Are they reliable?

(http://i47.tinypic.com/e63hg1.jpg)
I emailed the cRc (chicago) and this is their response
Quote
That certification’s standards do not meet those of the cRc and therefore that certification is NOT recommended
Title: Re: Kashrus
Post by: MosheP on January 10, 2013, 06:52:08 PM
Not on R'Eidlitz's website http://kosherquest.org/symbols.php
I would inquire with R'Eidlitz

Back when I worked from a kashrus agency I was told by a member of one of the big agencies that it is not recommended. I wont say in public the reason he gave but suffice it to say it was a valid enough reason not to trust the guy.

I emailed the cRc (chicago) and this is their response

Thanks guys.  I guess I'll return the San Marcos Chipotle Peppers in Adobo sauce. It was the only brand with some semblance of a Hashgocha. Does anyone know of another brand with a reliable Hashgocha?
Title: Re: Re: Kashrus
Post by: kracked dude on January 10, 2013, 07:11:28 PM
Anyone know what the deal is with r Meir Goldberg vaad hakashrus of Flatbush?
According to the cRc it is recommended
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: U-no-me! on January 15, 2013, 06:53:08 PM
Does anyone know anything about the hashgacha from Rabbi Hochwald from Germany?
Title: Re: Kashrus
Post by: U-no-me! on January 15, 2013, 06:55:20 PM
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=16659.msg390600#new (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=16659.msg390600#new)
Title: Re: Kashrus
Post by: robi on January 15, 2013, 07:07:04 PM
anyone know the kashrus status of angry orchard?
Title: Re: Kashrus
Post by: robi on January 15, 2013, 07:29:08 PM
traditional, crisp and ginger are fine, Iceman & strongman is not recommended at this time. Iceman & strongman may change within the next year.
thnx. Source?
Title: Re: Kashrus
Post by: Ebaystores on January 15, 2013, 07:30:03 PM
I am the mashgiach and I was there last week.
Title: Re: Kashrus
Post by: robi on January 15, 2013, 07:32:17 PM
I am the mashgiach and I was there last week.
wow thnx. May I ask which org you work for?
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: jj1000 on January 15, 2013, 07:52:49 PM
wow thnx. May I ask which org you work for?
I.e. can I trust you :))
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: robi on January 15, 2013, 07:56:22 PM
I.e. can I trust you :))
i.e. anyone can say I'm the mashgiach...
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: Ebaystores on January 15, 2013, 09:47:36 PM
I do some work on the side for the Star-k, Angry Orchard is owned and produced by Boston Brewery, a.k.a. Sam Adams

But then again, I could be making that up :-)
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: robi on January 15, 2013, 09:56:33 PM
I do some work on the side for the Star-k, Angry Orchard is owned and produced by Boston Brewery, a.k.a. Sam Adams

But then again, I could be making that up :-)
wasnt accusing you of making it up, just have to know which org certifies it, can't just drink it because someone on ddf said I can. Thnx for the response
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: Ebaystores on January 15, 2013, 10:23:28 PM
I know you weren't, was just kidding around :-) Enjoy, they are all quite good and favorites of mine. If your into interesting brews they make some shandy's that I look forward to trying when they are back in season (Shandy is a mix of beer and either lemonade or lemon soda).
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: robi on January 15, 2013, 10:24:24 PM
I know you weren't, was just kidding around :-) Enjoy, they are all quite good and favorites of mine. If your into interesting brews they make some shandy's that I look forward to trying when they are back in season (Shandy is a mix of beer and either lemonade or lemon soda).
yep, I enjoy lienenkugel lemon shandy. Good stuff
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: Ebaystores on January 15, 2013, 10:26:28 PM
I am going to try Leinenkugel's berry shandy. Hopefully its good
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: robi on January 16, 2013, 12:02:43 AM
Hmmm, just received this email from a friend:....



Begin forwarded message:

From: Star-K <stark@star-k.org>
Date: January 14, 2013, 12:20:02 PM EST
To: "@yahoo.com" <@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Comments & Questions

THank you for your email

It is not ...

If you need any further assistance, please feel free to contact us again

Many thanks

Janine Chapman
Star-K Kosher Certification
122 Slade Avenue
Suite # 300
Baltimore,  MD  21208
410-484-4110


-----Original Message-----
From: @yahoo.com [mailto:@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 3:01 PM
To: Star-K
Subject: Comments & Questions

Information entered on comment/question form:

Name:
Email:
Contact Phone #:
Comments: Hi, I would like to know if angry orchard crisp apple is kosher. Thank you.
Title: Re: Kashrus
Post by: Galitzyaner on January 16, 2013, 01:11:24 AM
Anyone know what the deal is with r Meir Goldberg vaad hakashrus of Flatbush?
Can someone please explain why people are choshed this hechsher so much?
Why don't the same people ask about what the deal is with khof k, or crc (the Satmar one, who IMHO are worse than the OU) etc.??

Is there someone here who is perhaps very familiar with the hashgocho situation in Flatbush?
If yes, can you please elaborate as to why people consider Vaad Hakashrus (Goldberg) and Gornish to be second class to Kehila Kashrus?  What's up with that?  Politics?  Or solid issues?  TIA.

@robi, please don't perceive this as attacking you, totally not, just asking generally.
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: Chaikel on January 16, 2013, 01:44:56 AM
Can someone please explain why people are choshed this hechsher so much?
Why don't the same people ask about what the deal is with khof k, or crc (the Satmar one, who IMHO are worse than the OU) etc.??

Is there someone here who is perhaps very familiar with the hashgocho situation in Flatbush?
If yes, can you please elaborate as to why people consider Vaad Hakashrus (Goldberg) and Gornish(t? ;) ) to be second class to Kehila Kashrus?  What's up with that?  Politics?  Or solid issues?  TIA.

@robi, please don't perceive this as attacking you, totally not, just asking generally.
I don't know about Gournish, but Va'ad has had many stories, and people just don't trust them anymore. There was a big one a few years ago, I don't know details as for some reason it was really hushed, and no one wanted to talk about it. All I know is that it involved a fish store
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: Galitzyaner on January 16, 2013, 01:55:36 AM
I don't know about Gournish, but Va'ad has had many stories, and people just don't trust them anymore. There was a big one a few years ago, I don't know details as for some reason it was really hushed, and no one wanted to talk about it. All I know is that it involved a fish store
That's the problem, no one wants to talk about anything.  Most Kashrus agencies "don't comment" on the reliability of other certifiers, so we hit a brick wall.  No body to talk to...
What type of stories?  I haven't heard them.
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: Chaikel on January 16, 2013, 07:02:15 AM
That's the problem, no one wants to talk about anything.  Most Kashrus agencies "don't comment" on the reliability of other certifiers, so we hit a brick wall.  No body to talk to...
What type of stories?  I haven't heard them.
As I said I don't know the details of the "major" story that prompted most rabbanim to get up in shul and say that people should not rely on them, but they did have a bunch of the regular stories of owners getting busted doing what they weren't supposed to do. Most agencies have a few of these stories, but I guess either Va'ad had more than acceptable, or the rabanim felt they were being negligent. I really don't know much about the issue, except that when I was a kid, over the course of a few weeks in every frum shul in Flatbush the Rav got up and said there is a problem with them
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: Shotguns on January 16, 2013, 07:53:09 AM
Anyone know if ikc is a reliable hechsher
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: Shotguns on January 16, 2013, 07:54:02 AM
It stands for international kosher council
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: moish on January 16, 2013, 08:20:16 AM
I don't know about Gournish,
i once heard that gornish is good - but only for gornisht, such as spring water, aluminum pans etc.

can anyone confirm?
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: Ebaystores on January 16, 2013, 08:23:40 AM
Having dealt with Kehillah Kashrus I will say one of the things that makes them stand hand and shoulders aboveothers is that they are ran by a few rabbonim, chassidish & litvish, and they do not get paid! To them it is strictly about the community service / kashrus. Therefore they are not afraid of losing business by stripping hashgacha off a place.
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: robi on January 16, 2013, 10:02:58 AM
@ebaystores, I just received an email from star k that they don't recommend angry orchard...
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: Ebaystores on January 16, 2013, 10:54:00 AM
@robi I am waiting for a call back from them to find out why that is so. I believe its just a miscommunication but I will get back to you.
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: robi on January 16, 2013, 12:44:33 PM
@robi I am waiting for a call back from them to find out why that is so. I believe its just a miscommunication but I will get back to you.
tnx. appreciate it
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: Ebaystores on January 21, 2013, 01:44:07 PM
@Robi at this time a complication has arose and I don't recommend this product. I will keep you posted as I hope it is resolved.
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: Ebaystores on January 21, 2013, 01:45:44 PM
If a mod can remove my previous post I would appreciate it. (The one where I said it is fine)
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: robi on January 21, 2013, 02:06:22 PM
@Robi at this time a complication has arose and I don't recommend this product. I will keep you posted as I hope it is resolved.
thnx
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: Ebaystores on January 21, 2013, 02:09:15 PM
np, I hope the status on it changes.
Title: Re: Kashrus
Post by: yuneeq on January 21, 2013, 03:24:01 PM
I know there has been talk of starting a Kashrus Master Thread. I searched and couldn't find a thread dedicated to Kashrus. I choose GD over JS to keep this thread civil and informative.

I have a question about a Kashrus orginization in Mexico called ka-kosher, link (http://www.ka-kosher.com/) to their website. See below for a picture of their stamp/seal. It says on the website that the Rav Hamachshir is R' Chaim Cohen, a graduate of BMG and used to work for the OK. HAs anyone heard of him/them? Are they reliable?

(http://i47.tinypic.com/e63hg1.jpg)

I asked my friend from Mexico today about the Hechsherim there.

He says that there are basically 2 Hechsherim that are trusted, KMD which is approved by Star-K  (http://www.star-k.org/kashrus/kk-MexicosKMDKosherAgency.htm) and is the Hechsher of the Syrian community ie; the majority of religious Jews living there. The second one he mentioned is the אא Hechsher from the Ashkenazi community.  When I looked again at the logo I figured he meant the one posted on this page. After some searching though, I found this page (http://www.kashrut.com/agencies/#__MX) that has info of a different Hechsher that also uses the אא symbol, also known as the Orthodox Vaad Ha Kashrus of the Ashkenazi Kehila in Mexico. I am sure my friend was referring to the KVאא Hechsher, and not KA Kosher.

I made this post a little lengthy as some may mistake one Mexican אא Hechsher for another.
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: Drago on January 21, 2013, 03:49:41 PM
FYI for what ever its worth.
Our Rav gave a drasha in shul this past shabbos here in Israel.

He said that the shmura matza with the Eida Chareidis Badatz hechsher he bought last year had a bunch of matza kefulos, and some other issues. When he called them up, they said that he had to read their kashrus handbook which said that all the matzos have to be checked, even if they have have their hechsher on it. So he said to not trust a product simply due to the hechser on it.

He also said that he met with a group of them to ask questions, and he asked about relying on the rabbanut hechsher for fruits and veggies. He was told that "Since we are from the Eida Chareidis, we can't tell you that you can rely on their hechsher, even though you are allowed to rely on their hechsher."  :)   (approx quote since I couldn't write it down on shabbos)
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: yuneeq on January 21, 2013, 03:59:35 PM
He also said that he met with a group of them to ask questions, and he asked about relying on the rabbanut hechsher for fruits and veggies. He was told that "Since we are from the Eida Chareidis, we can't tell you that you can rely on their hechsher, even though you are allowed to rely on their hechsher."  :)   (approx quote since I couldn't write it down on shabbos)

Welcome to Israel.

And welcome to realizing that the Eida Chareidis was always one big facade, pretending like they are so Machmir that they won't touch anything from any other Hechsher.

And B"H for realizing the fact that they aren't Machmir every. single. chumra. as they pretend to be.
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: Drago on January 21, 2013, 04:05:38 PM
Welcome to Israel.

And welcome to realizing that the Eida Chareidis was always one big facade, pretending like they are so Machmir that they won't touch anything from any other Hechsher.

And B"H for realizing the fact that they aren't Machmir every. single. chumra. as they pretend to be.
JKN had a great story about this around 2 yrs ago w/ regards to a bakery under their hechsher that was buying things from a 'lower' hechsher when they had to cater but didn't have enough supplies.
True achdus...
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: yuneeq on January 21, 2013, 04:13:39 PM
JKN had a great story about this around 2 yrs ago w/ regards to a bakery under their hechsher that was buying things from a 'lower' hechsher when they had to cater but didn't have enough supplies.
True achdus...

Someone should investigate why the Eida chickens cost DOUBLE the other Mehadrin Hechsherim.

You would think they slaughter chickens that lay golden eggs.  :P
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: Drago on January 21, 2013, 04:14:55 PM
Someone should investigate why the Eida chickens cost DOUBLE the other Mehadrin Hechsherim.

You would think they slaughter chickens that lay golden eggs.  :P
It's b/c their customers can afford it, so they charge it.
;)
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: yuneeq on January 21, 2013, 04:22:32 PM
It's b/c their customers can afford it, so they charge it.
;)

There's no greater feeling than the feeling of cashing in on others' stupidity!  :P
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: Chaikel on January 22, 2013, 01:04:56 AM

He also said that he met with a group of them to ask questions, and he asked about relying on the rabbanut hechsher for fruits and veggies. He was told that "Since we are from the Eida Chareidis, we can't tell you that you can rely on their hechsher, even though you are allowed to rely on their hechsher."  :)   (approx quote since I couldn't write it down on shabbos)
You sure this wasn't about Rebanut Mehadrin? Cause I heard specifically that there are issue with Rabbanut T&M
Title: Re: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: yuneeq on January 22, 2013, 02:00:48 AM
You sure this wasn't about Rebanut Mehadrin? Cause I heard specifically that there are issue with Rabbanut T&M

There is almost no difference at all between Rabbanut and Rabbanut Mehadrin (Jerusalem) when it comes to fruits and vegetables. The only difference is that regular Rabbanut sells papaya and two other random fruits that are safeik orla. This is what I heard from R' Shlessinger (head of Jerusalem Rabbinate), I may have a recording of it.

Therefore, if you trust the Mehadrin, you trust regular Rabbanut too :P
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: Chaikel on January 22, 2013, 03:34:53 AM
There is almost no difference at all between Rabbanut and Rabbanut Mehadrin (Jerusalem) when it comes to fruits and vegetables. The only difference is that regular Rabbanut sells papaya and two other random fruits that are safeik orla. This is what I heard from R' Shlessinger (head of Jerusalem Rabbinate), I may have a recording of it.

Therefore, if you trust the Mehadrin, you trust regular Rabbanut too :P

I don't, but I was told specifically about Rabanut that they only maaser the stuff that comes into the shuk in the morning, and they don't even look at the stuff that comes in afterwards. If you're saying that RH is the same, then that goes to show you just how bad RH really is.

Is this recording from the speech at Senters?
Title: Re: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: yuneeq on January 22, 2013, 04:29:00 AM
I don't, but I was told specifically about Rabanut that they only maaser the stuff that comes into the shuk in the morning, and they don't even look at the stuff that comes in afterwards. If you're saying that RH is the same, then that goes to show you just how bad RH really is.

Is this recording from the speech at Senters?

They maaser everything that comes into Jerusalem at the fields or at the distribution centers, I don't remember exactly which.

The class was at the OU center a couple months back.

What's RH?
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: Chaikel on January 22, 2013, 06:06:48 AM
They maaser everything that comes into Jerusalem at the fields or at the distribution centers, I don't remember exactly which.

The class was at the OU center a couple months back.

What's RH?
Sorry, meant Rabbanut Mehadrin
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: yare on January 22, 2013, 08:28:36 AM
Someone should investigate why the Eida chickens cost DOUBLE the other Mehadrin Hechsherim.

You would think they slaughter chickens that lay golden eggs.  :P
they throw out sfeikos that other hechsherim use.  hence, they jack up the price. 

i know eida bashing is a fad, but try to learn some facts before doing it, will make for better bashing
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: Jkhein on January 22, 2013, 08:48:24 AM
i know eida bashing is a fad,
I wonder why
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: Drago on January 22, 2013, 09:58:23 AM
they throw out sfeikos that other hechsherim use.  hence, they jack up the price. 

i know eida bashing is a fad, but try to learn some facts before doing it, will make for better bashing
Good point.
Although I would be interested in seeing the profit margins for each of the agencies to see if suspicions are correct.
Title: Re: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: yuneeq on January 22, 2013, 10:04:23 AM
they throw out sfeikos that other hechsherim use.  hence, they jack up the price. 

i know eida bashing is a fad, but try to learn some facts before doing it, will make for better bashing

All the Mehadrin hechsherim throw out the sfeikos. Only the Eida charges double.

Your post shows us how clueless you are about the Kashrus industry.

I would have some hope for you, but sadly enough, ignorance isn't a fad.
Title: Re: Re: Kashrus
Post by: RT on January 22, 2013, 10:49:29 AM
According to the cRc it is recommended
There is a cRc app which is great! It has most of the symbols as well as recommended products..
Title: Re: Re: Re: Kashrus
Post by: yuneeq on January 22, 2013, 11:06:05 AM
There is a cRc app which is great! It has most of the symbols...

It has only the symbols that they approve of. Only Kashrus experts can see the 200 or so symbols that the cRc disapproves of or didn't approve yet.
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: Dan on January 22, 2013, 11:44:53 AM
It has only the symbols that they approve of. Only Kashrus experts can see the 200 or so symbols that the cRc disapproves of or didn't approve yet.
WikiLeaks anyone?
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: Drago on January 22, 2013, 12:00:39 PM
WikiLeaks anyone?
Let's call it DaniLeaks.
Good publicity...
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: yuneeq on January 22, 2013, 12:16:23 PM
Let's call it DaniLeaks.
Good publicity...

I'm not so sure. There seems to be a love/hate relationship with publicity on this of the internet  :P
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: Dan on January 22, 2013, 12:41:25 PM
I don't understand why that can't be made public.
Shame them into getting better.
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: Chaikel on January 22, 2013, 01:08:10 PM
All the Mehadrin hechsherim throw out the sfeikos. Only the Eida charges double.
Except Rabbanut Mehadrin
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: yuneeq on January 22, 2013, 01:17:40 PM
Except Rabbanut Mehadrin

Even they do to some extent.

You guys know that there aren't really that many sfeikos to justify more than a shekel or two increase  ???
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: yare on January 22, 2013, 01:31:05 PM
All the Mehadrin hechsherim throw out the sfeikos. Only the Eida charges double.
that's a joke.    time you started looking for more reliable sources.     

bedatz bait yosef, lol.      rabanut mehadrin is not throwing out any sfeikos.      rubin and sheiris will depend on what it is.

I wonder why
bec ppl are bored of bashing chabad and sefardim? 
Title: Re: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: yuneeq on January 22, 2013, 01:44:51 PM
that's a joke.    time you started looking for more reliable sources.     

bedatz bait yosef, lol.      rabanut mehadrin is not throwing out any sfeikos.      rubin and sheiris will depend on what it is.

The more you talk the dumber you sound. Your sources are nothing more than the street chatter of clueless individuals no different than yourself.

Rubin is lower than the Eida and is the same level as Sheiris? Nice try ;D
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: yare on January 22, 2013, 01:48:52 PM
The more you talk the dumber you sound. Your sources are nothing more than the street chatter of clueless individuals no different than yourself.
hmm, newb, you're doing quite a bit of mouthing off.   you're lucky i have a habit of being banned when i open my mouth or i might actually respond

Rubin is lower than the Eida and is the same level as Sheiris? Nice try ;D
i said neither, but keep up the good detective work
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: Chaikel on January 22, 2013, 02:00:17 PM
The more you talk the dumber you sound. Your sources are nothing more than the street chatter of clueless individuals no different than yourself.
+1
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: yuneeq on January 22, 2013, 02:04:17 PM
i said neither, but keep up the good detective work

rabanut mehadrin is not throwing out any sfeikos.      rubin and sheiris will depend on what it is.
Implying that eida will always throw out sfeikos (as you stated already above), while rubin and sheiris will sometimes throw out a sofeik.  Just keep drinking the kool-aid  ::)

hmm, newb, you're doing quite a bit of mouthing off.   you're lucky i have a habit of being banned when i open my mouth or i might actually respond

You should consider signing up to Hypocrisy 101  :P
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: yare on January 22, 2013, 02:09:15 PM
Implying that eida will always throw out sfeikos (as you stated already above), while rubin and sheiris will sometimes throw out a sofeik.  Just keep drinking the kool-aid  ::)
the fact that eida throws out more sfeikos than rubin doesn't make them (necessarily) a better hechsher.      consider taking a moment to digest what you read, you could use it

You should consider signing up to Hypocrisy 101  :P
heh, that wasn't a response, merely addressing you formally
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: yuneeq on January 22, 2013, 02:10:59 PM
heh, that wasn't a response, merely addressing you formally

Oh, I get it. Kinda like when I called you dumb  :P ::)
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: yare on January 22, 2013, 02:11:53 PM
Oh, I get it. Kinda like when I called you dumb  :P ::)
i was wondering if you would try to use my line ;)      such flattery
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: Chaikel on January 22, 2013, 02:12:34 PM
Both Rubin and Eida throw out ALL sfeikos
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: yuneeq on January 22, 2013, 02:19:56 PM
i was wondering if you would try to use my line ;)      such flattery

Not one to miss a chance to pat yourself on the back, are you?  ::) :P
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: yuneeq on January 22, 2013, 02:26:17 PM
Both Rubin and Eida throw out ALL sfeikos

That CANT be TRUE!! Cuz my friend told me that Eida throws out EVERY single chicken, and he has proof cuz he doesn't see them selling eida chicken in his local supermarket anymore and they used 2 sell them there and it must be that ALL chickens are SOFEIK and TREIF and therefore they stopped selling CHICKEN!! also I heard that rubin is chabad so he probably converts treif chickens into kosher ones and his sofeiks koshers into vadais! Theres no comparison, rabbosai, it obvious! :o
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: yare on January 22, 2013, 02:30:16 PM
Not one to miss a chance to pat yourself on the back, are you?  ::) :P
not one to think much on your own, are you?

Both Rubin and Eida throw out ALL sfeikos
source?
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: yuneeq on January 22, 2013, 02:40:58 PM
not one to think much on your own, are you?

My friend thinks that your comeback was pretty lame.
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: Ebaystores on January 22, 2013, 09:16:42 PM
I don't understand why that can't be made public.
Shame them into getting better.

Dan, The non reliable hashgacha's are quick to threaten to sue for defamatory statements. Therefore kashrus agencies will only publish a list of recommended hashgachas, although when asked about a non reputable agency they will reply "We don't recommend them"
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: A3 on January 22, 2013, 09:19:58 PM
Dan, The non reliable hashgacha's are quick to threaten to sue for defamatory statements. Therefore kashrus agencies will only publish a list of recommended hashgachas, although when asked about a non reputable agency they will reply "We don't recommend them"

Makes sense, when ever I send a Tweet to @cRcKosher asking about a certain hashgacha, if its acceptable they would write in on their main page, if they don't recommend it, they would only tell me that in a DM either either by saying we don't recommend them, or we have no further info on them
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: Ebaystores on January 22, 2013, 09:31:34 PM
In addition, some hashgachas are considered on a case to case basis. E.g. say rabbi x has an agency, he lives in North Dakota, Some major agencies may consider him knowledgeable in hashgacha, but since they don't know who he farms out inspections for plants he certifies in other states they may only accept products produced in North Dakota where they know he is the one visiting.
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: rufieg3 on January 27, 2013, 12:30:53 AM
anyone know what cupk hashgacha is? saw it at cinnabon and some ice cream store
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: yuneeq on January 27, 2013, 07:59:01 AM
Somewhat OT, but Kosher Mehadrin chicken in Israel is gonna be cheaper soon  :D

http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/article.php?p=154146
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: yuneeq on January 27, 2013, 08:14:04 AM
anyone know what cupk hashgacha is? saw it at cinnabon and some ice cream store

Seems to be unreliable based on the general consensus. R' Israel Steinberg is the head of the Hechsher, of which I have not read any good things. He certifies stores that are open on Shabbos, though that may be ok if it's non-Jewish owned.

http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/reliable-hashgacha
Title: Re: Hurray, SPG Dead Sea is back!!!
Post by: Drago on February 12, 2013, 01:43:51 PM
Can you eat the fruits in the room or lounge?
Ask your LOR about eating rabbanut fruit.
Mine quoted from a mtg with the Badatz that its okay to rely on the rabbanut fruit/veggies, but its not their official position.
Title: Re: Re: Hurray, SPG Dead Sea is back!!!
Post by: yuneeq on February 12, 2013, 02:02:06 PM
Ask your LOR about eating rabbanut fruit.
Mine quoted from a mtg with the Badatz that its okay to rely on the rabbanut fruit/veggies, but its not their official position.

Just to clarify, there is a difference between Rabbanut Jerusalem fruits/vegs and other Rabbinates. Your LOR may have been referring to specifically the Jerusalem rabbinate. The hotel is under rabbanut ein bokek. 
Title: Re: Re: Hurray, SPG Dead Sea is back!!!
Post by: moish on February 12, 2013, 02:48:18 PM
Ask your LOR about eating rabbanut fruit.
Mine quoted from a mtg with the Badatz that its okay to rely on the rabbanut fruit/veggies, but its not their official position.
which badatz, badatz of gaza city? if the eida said such a thing, ill eat my hat

but i always appreciate your comments. you never cease to make me laugh
Title: Re: Re: Hurray, SPG Dead Sea is back!!!
Post by: yuneeq on February 12, 2013, 02:50:06 PM
which badatz, badatz of gaza city? if the eida said such a thing, ill eat my hat

but i always appreciate your comments. you never cease to make me laugh

He's referring to the eida. And I agree with them in regards to Jerusalem rabbinate fruits.

Here's a fun fact: Eida relies on Rabbanut mashgichim in places such as matzot yehuda.
Title: Re: Re: Hurray, SPG Dead Sea is back!!!
Post by: moish on February 12, 2013, 02:55:39 PM

do you really think the bedatz relies on rabanut trumos and maasros? is this official policy? does badatz allow their stores to use rabanut fruit?


what are you guys smoking? ill have some...
Title: Re: Re: Hurray, SPG Dead Sea is back!!!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 12, 2013, 02:59:33 PM
He's referring to the eida. And I agree with them in regards to Jerusalem rabbinate fruits.

Here's a fun fact: Eida relies on Rabbanut mashgichim that also work for the rabbanut in places such as matzot yehuda.
FTFY

Very big difference
Title: Re: Re: Hurray, SPG Dead Sea is back!!!
Post by: yuneeq on February 12, 2013, 02:59:45 PM
do you really think the bedatz relies on rabanut trumos and maasros? is this official policy? does badatz allow their stores to use rabanut fruit?


what are you guys smoking? ill have some...

They probably don't rely on them as an official policy, but its not a stretch to say that they know in reality rabbanut Jerusalem fruits are ok.

I'm smoking rabbanut weed, so you're gonna have to sit this one out :P O0
Title: Re: Re: Hurray, SPG Dead Sea is back!!!
Post by: yuneeq on February 12, 2013, 03:01:47 PM
FTFY

Very big difference

Unfix. There are places that the Eida is hired in addition to rabbanut, and they keep the rabbanut mashgiach. Mashgichim that don't work for the eida aren't necessarily bad.

ETA: I'm unsure of what you tried to add. That eida hires the same people in eida establishments?
Title: Re: Re: Hurray, SPG Dead Sea is back!!!
Post by: L'Chaim on February 12, 2013, 03:08:45 PM
Unfix. There are places that the Eida is hired in addition to rabbanut, and they keep the rabbanut mashgiach. Mashgichim that don't work for the eida aren't necessarily bad.

Correct, they just need to know the difference now that they are also hired by the Eida.
Title: Re: Re: Hurray, SPG Dead Sea is back!!!
Post by: Drago on February 12, 2013, 03:46:02 PM
do you really think the bedatz relies on rabanut trumos and maasros? is this official policy? does badatz allow their stores to use rabanut fruit?


what are you guys smoking? ill have some...

I'm just quoting over from what our Rav said in his kashrus shiur in shul on shabbos last month, and I've posted it b/f as well.
No need to believe me, rely on what you're instructed to do and you'll receive heavenly blessings.

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=16659.msg395880#msg395880

And I'm always happy to bring a smile to your face :)

Title: Re: Re: Hurray, SPG Dead Sea is back!!!
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 12, 2013, 03:51:52 PM
He's referring to the eida. And I agree with them in regards to Jerusalem rabbinate fruits.

Fruit don't grow in Jerusalem.

ערלה supervision would be under other Rabbinate which the J'lem is required by law to rely on.
Title: Re: Re: Hurray, SPG Dead Sea is back!!!
Post by: yuneeq on February 12, 2013, 04:01:03 PM
Fruit don't grow in Jerusalem.

ערלה supervision would be under other Rabbinate which the J'lem is required by law to rely on.

Nope. I heard from R' Shlessinger directly that the Jerusalem Rabbinate sends a dozen mashgichim to go take the terumos and ma'asros before the fruits and vegs are brought into Jerusalem. It's a detailed and specific process, it is not at all what you think.
Title: Re: Re: Hurray, SPG Dead Sea is back!!!
Post by: moish on February 13, 2013, 04:57:00 AM
Nope. I heard from R' Shlessinger directly that the Jerusalem Rabbinate sends a dozen mashgichim to go take the terumos and ma'asros before the fruits and vegs are brought into Jerusalem. It's a detailed and specific process, it is not at all what you think.
and yet, the eidah doesnt allow produce into a restaurant until they personally take off trumos and maasros. if the storeowner brings it in before the eidah arrives, the hechsher is revoked on the spot
Title: Re: Re: Hurray, SPG Dead Sea is back!!!
Post by: yuneeq on February 13, 2013, 05:29:05 AM
and yet, the eidah doesnt allow produce into a restaurant until they personally take off trumos and maasros. if the storeowner brings it in before the eidah arrives, the hechsher is revoked on the spot

Every reliable hechsher is the same in that aspect. No reliable hechsher would let a store owner bring in his own products when the mashgiach isn't there. Kashrus 101.
Title: Re: Re: Hurray, SPG Dead Sea is back!!!
Post by: moish on February 13, 2013, 05:59:26 AM
Every reliable hechsher is the same in that aspect. No reliable hechsher would let a store owner bring in his own products when the mashgiach isn't there. Kashrus 101.
so they dont rely on the rabanut produce

and i dont think the rabbanut has such a policy in place
Title: Re: Re: Hurray, SPG Dead Sea is back!!!
Post by: Drago on February 13, 2013, 06:13:00 AM
How about continuing this is the kashrus thread?
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: moish on February 13, 2013, 06:14:36 AM
i didnt see this thread until now, but i can comment from what i heard 3rd person

the reason why bedatz is more expensive is because by rubin and landau they have 3 bins, one for kosher, one for treif and one for safek. the treif bin is sold to the arabs and the safek bin is sold to the rabbanut.
since the bedatz doesnt do business with the rabbanut, both bins are sold to the arabs, thus commanding a lower price

i dont know this first hand though
Title: Re: Re: Hurray, SPG Dead Sea is back!!!
Post by: moish on February 13, 2013, 06:16:25 AM
How about continuing this is the kashrus thread?
link?
Title: Re: Re: Hurray, SPG Dead Sea is back!!!
Post by: yuneeq on February 13, 2013, 06:16:30 AM
so they dont rely on the rabanut produce

and i dont think the rabbanut has such a policy in place

I never said though that's probably true. What I'm trying to explain to you is that no unmarked produce or products can enter a store without supervision. If the fruits aren't supervised, they aren't necessarily rabbanut.

If you'd like to hear for yourself what their policy is, PM me for a recording.
Title: Re: Re: Hurray, SPG Dead Sea is back!!!
Post by: yuneeq on February 13, 2013, 06:19:06 AM
How about continuing this is the kashrus thread?

Agreed.
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: yuneeq on February 13, 2013, 06:38:31 AM
i didnt see this thread until now, but i can comment from what i heard 3rd person

the reason why bedatz is more expensive is because by rubin and landau they have 3 bins, one for kosher, one for treif and one for safek. the treif bin is sold to the arabs and the safek bin is sold to the rabbanut.
since the bedatz doesnt do business with the rabbanut, both bins are sold to the arabs, thus commanding a lower price

i dont know this first hand though

I don't have any first hand info about this either, but I wouldn't believe that in a million years.
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: moish on February 13, 2013, 06:44:36 AM
I don't have any first hand info about this either, but I wouldn't believe that in a million years.

which part do you have a hard time believing?
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: yuneeq on February 13, 2013, 06:51:55 AM
which part do you have a hard time believing?

I have hard time believing they sell sfeikos to rabbanut. Most slaughtering is done in South America largely because they don't lose money when selling the non kosher animals to the large gentile population. Same thing with sfeikos.

And if somehow those hechsherim actually do sell to rabbanut, I wouldn't believe that the eida policy is different.
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: moish on February 13, 2013, 07:13:29 AM
I have hard time believing they sell sfeikos to rabbanut. Most slaughtering is done in South America largely because they don't lose money when selling the non kosher animals to the large gentile population. Same thing with sfeikos.

And if somehow those hechsherim actually do sell to rabbanut, I wouldn't believe that the eida policy is different.
youre mixing up chicken with beef

and you dont see why the badatz wouldnt do business with rabbanut? did you just move here?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on February 13, 2013, 07:45:24 AM
youre mixing up chicken with beef

and you dont see why the badatz wouldnt do business with rabbanut? did you just move here?

No one ever mentioned chicken. I was talking about beef, which has more kashrus issues.

And no, I don't see why eida wouldn't sell stuff to the rabbanut.   Its preposterous to think otherwise.
And yes, I just moved here only 7 years ago. Though I'm unoffended from your assumptions, I want you to know one thing. I'm not a kashrus expert, but I have a great amount of practical and hands-on kashrus knowledge in Israel, so not always will I just spew nonsense.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Drago on February 13, 2013, 07:49:35 AM
Anyone want to organize a DO w/ some different kashrus experts from the different hechsherim along with Yechiel Spero?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on February 13, 2013, 07:52:14 AM
Anyone want to organize a DO w/ some different kashrus experts from the different hechsherim along with Yechiel Spero?

I'm pretty sure that the different hechsherim would not get together. But if there's enough interest, I can probably set up something with Yechiel Spira
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Dan on February 13, 2013, 07:59:49 AM
so not always will I just spew nonsense.
Based on reading your 613 posts in the past month...YMMV ;)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on February 13, 2013, 08:06:26 AM
Based on reading your 613 posts in the past month...YMMV ;)

Happy to hear that you read every post of mine ;)

I wish I didn't have to post this because I really like the number 613 :'(
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Drago on February 13, 2013, 08:34:47 AM
Happy to hear that you read every post of mine ;)

I wish I didn't have to post this because I really like the number 613 :'(
delete it and start a new profile. YuneeqII
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Jkhein on February 13, 2013, 08:45:54 AM
delete it and start a new profile. YuneeqII
or YuneekIII  sorry, couldn't resist  ;)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Drago on February 13, 2013, 01:04:04 PM
or YuneekIII  sorry, couldn't resist  ;)
How about UReek?
:)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on February 13, 2013, 01:35:59 PM
or YuneekIII  sorry, couldn't resist  ;)

Don't get it, so I don't mind

How about UReek?
:)

Ouch! :o
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yare on February 13, 2013, 02:39:25 PM
No one ever mentioned chicken. I was talking about beef, which has more kashrus issues.

And no, I don't see why eida wouldn't sell stuff to the rabbanut.   Its preposterous to think otherwise.
And yes, I just moved here only 7 years ago. Though I'm unoffended from your assumptions, I want you to know one thing. I'm not a kashrus expert, but I have a great amount of practical and hands-on kashrus knowledge in Israel, so not always will I just spew nonsense.

the frozen meat is all coming from the pretty much the same place in argentina.  it's the fresh meat that they do shechita on here, that you pay an arm and a leg for, and it's a very limited amount.  the brunt of what's relevant are the chickens, which they shecht here as well, and charge a heck of a lot for. 

as much as you might know about kashrus, you'd be mistaken to think the eida does business with the rabbinut.    no shot.   
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Drago on February 13, 2013, 02:44:18 PM
Ouch! :o
Couldn't resist :)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on February 13, 2013, 02:45:24 PM
the frozen meat is all coming from the pretty much the same place in argentina.  it's the fresh meat that they do shechita on here, that you pay an arm and a leg for, and it's a very limited amount.  the brunt of what's relevant are the chickens, which they shecht here as well, and charge a heck of a lot for. 

as much as you might know about kashrus, you'd be mistaken to think the eida does business with the rabbinut.    no shot.

I don't see eida meat prices, but someone mentioned to me recently that its more expensive than others. I'm not arguing about chickens, so lets get past that.

About doing business with rabbanut, technically they already do some business with them, but probably not what you're referring to. Either way I never claimed that the eida does business with them, only that I'm sure that they aren't against it.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yare on February 13, 2013, 02:47:26 PM
Either way I never claimed that the eida does business with them, only that I'm sure that they aren't against it.
and that's where i'm telling you that you're mistaken.  they would never do business with them, certainly not in an official capacity.   
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on February 13, 2013, 02:48:19 PM
and that's where i'm telling you that you're mistaken.  they would never do business with them, certainly not in an official capacity.

Your word against mine ::)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Drago on February 13, 2013, 03:04:53 PM
One of my Israeli neighbors used to do work for the Rabbanut, but I'm not certain in which capacity.
If I could convince him to spend some time with us by my house, would anyone be interested in coming? I live close to Yerushalayim w/ great bus service.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on February 13, 2013, 03:09:46 PM
One of my Israeli neighbors used to do work for the Rabbanut, but I'm not certain in which capacity.
If I could convince him to spend some time with us by my house, would anyone be interested in coming? I live close to Yerushalayim w/ great bus service.

Not really interested in traveling out of town. Nor too interested in speaking to just some random mashgiach.

I still stand by my offer to ask spira if enough people confirm interest.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Drago on February 13, 2013, 03:11:18 PM
Not really interested in traveling out of town. I would ask spira if enough people confirm interest.
It's a 25 min bus ride from shmuel hanavi
It would be interesting to hear from s/o who has actually worked at the rabbanut, and this Rabbi is a really good guy to speak with.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on February 13, 2013, 03:12:23 PM
It's a 25 min bus ride from shmuel hanavi
It would be interesting to hear from s/o who has actually worked at the rabbanut, and this Rabbi is a really good guy to speak with.

There are plenty of great rabbis from the rabbanut in Jerusalem that we can speak to.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: L'Chaim on February 13, 2013, 03:34:57 PM
There are plenty of great rabbis from the rabbanut in Jerusalem that we can speak to.

Not really interested in traveling out of town. Nor too interested in speaking to just some random mashgiach.

I still stand by my offer to ask spira if enough people confirm interest.


Why are you being so negative about Drago's suggestion?
Please show some more respect to other members and suggestions other than yours.
 
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on February 13, 2013, 03:41:18 PM
Why are you being so negative about Drago's suggestion?
Please show some more respect to other members and suggestions other than yours.

I can't travel out of town. Why you getting so bent?

Either way, no one expressed interest in either of our suggestions, so as of now its a no go.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Drago on February 13, 2013, 04:19:12 PM
I can't travel out of town. Why you getting so bent?

Either way, no one expressed interest in either of our suggestions, so as of now its a no go.
I'd be up for mtg again w/ Yechiel.
But let's give ppl more than an hr b/f reaching conclusions about their interest.
And perhaps cross post this in the DO thread since more ppl will see it there.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on February 13, 2013, 04:22:20 PM
I'd be up for mtg again w/ Yechiel.
But let's give ppl more than an hr b/f reaching conclusions about their interest.
And perhaps cross post this in the DO thread since more ppl will see it there.

You're right. Funny, I was just in middle of searching for the DO thread to cross post.

ETA: DONE (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=16659.msg415007#msg415007)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Chaikel on February 13, 2013, 04:31:54 PM
I believe dealer is certified by the Rabbanute. We can ask him to sponsor a DO
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yare on February 13, 2013, 05:00:01 PM
Your word against mine ::)
heh, that sums up about 99.9% of disagreements on the forums.   

so, lets take it to the next level, what are you basing your word on in this case? 
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on February 13, 2013, 05:26:47 PM
heh, that sums up about 99.9% of disagreements on the forums.   

so, lets take it to the next level, what are you basing your word on in this case?

I should rephrase it as my "opinion" against yours.

First of all, even with all the mud-slinging from one kashrus agency to the next, it's a known thing that most kashrus agencies work with one another at the end of the day, as long as they're both orthodox. That includes both Eida and Rabbanut.

Second, I have simply never heard of an Eida embargo against being in contact or doing business with Rabbanut.  I can understand the Eida not relying on Rabbanut, even if they were so bold to consider Rabbanut 100% unreliable. But not doing business with the Rabbanut is a completely different story. There is absolutely no reason for it, nor any gain. It sounds childish to me that the Eida would put Rabbanut in a so-called cherem. If, for some reason you believe that there is such an unspoken embargo, continue to the next point.

Third, when Eida is hired in an establishment in addition to Rabbanut, they are technically working with each other. They don't mind using the rabbanut mashgiach if he's reliable, and they split the payments to the mashgiach. That is already considered doing business with one another.

Fourth, the Eida is a for-profit hechsher. If they could make more money by selling stuff to the Rabbanut, they would.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moish on February 13, 2013, 07:37:35 PM
um, they wouldnt do business with the rabbanut because of their ideology, not a typical case of one kashrus agency vs another. like i said, have you just arrived?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: 972sg212 on February 13, 2013, 07:49:38 PM
One of my Israeli neighbors used to do work for the Rabbanut, but I'm not certain in which capacity.
If I could convince him to spend some time with us by my house, would anyone be interested in coming? I live close to Yerushalayim w/ great bus service.
I'm in
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 13, 2013, 07:51:09 PM
um, they wouldnt do business with the rabbanut because of their ideology, not a typical case of one kashrus agency vs another. like i said, have you just arrived?
-1000


You think if you steal from them they won't use the courts? Ideology is until the wallet is affected.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moish on February 13, 2013, 08:01:16 PM
-1000


You think if you steal from them they won't use the courts? Ideology is until the wallet is affected.
not a good comparison.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on February 14, 2013, 12:28:06 AM
um, they wouldnt do business with the rabbanut because of their ideology, not a typical case of one kashrus agency vs another. like i said, have you just arrived?

Try to refute what I actually wrote. Ad hoc attacks seem to be your running strategy. Read point 3 again. You could also try answering platinum guy's comment with something more than a little hot air.

Additionally, you seem to be mixing the Eida with the neturei karta. They have some similarities though they obviously aren't one and the same.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moish on February 14, 2013, 03:48:16 AM
Try to refute what I actually wrote. Ad hoc attacks seem to be your running strategy. Read point 3 again.

it actually was a direct respose to your points. was point 3 the only one you wrote?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: L'Chaim on February 14, 2013, 03:55:42 AM
it actually was a direct respose to your points. was point 3 the only one you wrote?

@yuneeq: what does you friend think about him? ;)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moish on February 14, 2013, 04:08:20 AM
-1000


You think if you steal from them they won't use the courts? Ideology is until the wallet is affected.
thats the thing, their wallet isnt affected since they pass it on to the consumer
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on February 14, 2013, 06:58:46 AM
it actually was a direct respose to your points. was point 3 the only one you wrote?

Point 1 and 2 are my personal opinions, of which you are allowed to think differently. Point 3 and 4 are facts. Point 4, Platinum guy was already duking out with you. So that left me with my advice to read point 3 over again.

@yuneeq: what does you friend think about him? ;)

Huh? What friend? Who's him? ???
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: L'Chaim on February 14, 2013, 11:23:15 AM
My friend thinks that your comeback was pretty lame.
Title: Re: Kosher Symbol?
Post by: yuneeq on February 14, 2013, 11:51:31 AM
Forgot about that one ::)
One of the classics ;)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moish on February 14, 2013, 12:17:09 PM
Point 1 and 2 are my personal opinions, of which you are allowed to think differently. Point 3 and 4 are facts.
actually they might have started with a fact but then you offered an opinion, a pretty bad one imo
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Drago on February 14, 2013, 01:19:19 PM
And we've regressed in this discussion...

On a side note. Are there any sodas which are kosher around the world?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: elikay on February 14, 2013, 02:26:07 PM
And we've regressed in this discussion...

On a side note. Are there any sodas which are kosher around the world?
I once asked the OU about Coca Cola (for a stopover in Italy) and they said not to use it.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Chaikel on February 14, 2013, 04:36:14 PM
I once asked the OU about Coca Cola (for a stopover in Italy) and they said not to use it.
Interesting. When was this? When I went a year and a half ago it was on the list.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moish on February 15, 2013, 09:23:48 AM
I once asked the OU about Coca Cola (for a stopover in Italy) and they said not to use it.
quite odd indeed
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: sky121 on February 15, 2013, 09:26:33 AM
There are certain countries I've heard that you aren't supposed to drink their Cola but I don't believe that Italy was one of them.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Ergel on February 15, 2013, 09:35:08 AM
quite odd indeed
+1
Orthodox Jews in Italy drink the coke (not that that's necessarily a rayah)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: elikay on February 15, 2013, 11:40:41 AM
Interesting. When was this? When I went a year and a half ago it was on the list.
Around five years ago. OU is not saying its not kosher just they can't recommend it.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on February 16, 2013, 11:51:57 AM
Coke isn't naturally kosher. They used to have two problematic ingredients in the US version. They changed that recipe a long time ago, but it doesn't surprise me if they had kashrus problems overseas.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moish on February 16, 2013, 12:44:02 PM
it would be strange since coke uses the same flavor concentrate everywhere. the local bottler adds the sweetener and water i believe
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Drago on February 16, 2013, 01:50:12 PM
Are there any sodas that are okay world-wide?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Chaikel on February 16, 2013, 03:22:14 PM
Are there any sodas that are okay world-wide?
Mayim-Chayim
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Drago on February 16, 2013, 03:28:45 PM
Mayim-Chayim
But that's only available in the top first class lounges world-wide. I'm asking about s/t that a simple man can pick up in a supermarket.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moish on February 16, 2013, 04:00:10 PM
perrier
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Drago on February 16, 2013, 04:02:59 PM
perrier
great!
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on February 17, 2013, 07:35:44 AM
it would be strange since coke uses the same flavor concentrate everywhere. the local bottler adds the sweetener and water i believe

I just looked it up.
I found in the בית הלל אלול תשס"א (http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=50547&st=&pgnum=64) (I linked to the end) that there have been problems with the food colorings that they use. They have found in Central America that they use non kosher grape juice/wine to give Coke its color.

It's an interesting article/tshuva, worth it to read the whole thing.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Jkhein on February 17, 2013, 01:37:24 PM
Confused.
Care to explain a bit more?
the head of the kashrus division in badatz was harav Blau who was niftar about a month ago.
they just put a rav from England in his place.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yare on February 17, 2013, 01:39:16 PM
I know some don't like the hocking of Badatz, but whoever is within the politics and knows who they just took over to be instead of reb Yankel Blau zt"l to be on top of the kashrus, a rov From England (!) with lots of money, so yes as they say, money doesn't speak, it screams! Harav blau was tough with them and did not give them an easy time doing what they want, well now that their chief is in another country, let the fun start.
really, more baseless accusations of the badatz without knowing facts? what do you know about the situation except that he's english and has money?       don't you have anything better to do with your time?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: ReadsTheT&C on February 17, 2013, 02:57:58 PM
Interesting Economist article about kashrut agencies: http://www.economist.com/news/international/21571419-who-should-regulate-kosher-and-halal-food-meaty-question
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on February 17, 2013, 03:34:37 PM
the head of the kashrus division in badatz was harav Blau who was niftar about a month ago.
they just put a rav from England in his place.
really, more baseless accusations of the badatz without knowing facts? what do you know about the situation except that he's english and has money?       don't you have anything better to do with your time?

Apparently I missed a whole conversation that was deleted momentarily ::)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Jkhein on February 17, 2013, 04:40:08 PM
really, more baseless accusations of the badatz without knowing facts? what do you know about the situation except that he's english and has money?       don't you have anything better to do with your time?
yup the eida's strawberries is a typical example, not of gauging but of simple bs. And their herring and  much more. A whole book can be written about what goes on there. But now that they managed to finally get their chief of staff out of the country and let them do whatever they want, Im sure the fun will start now. (although the gavad is still working on stopping this plan very soon)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yare on February 17, 2013, 04:43:13 PM
yup the eida's strawberries is a typical example, not of gauging but of simple bs. And their herring and  much more. A whole book can be written about what goes on there. But now that they managed to finally get their chief of staff out of the country and let them do whatever they want, Im sure the fun will start now. (although the gavad is still working on stopping this plan very soon)
instead of throwing out off the cuff statements as if you know something.  explain your positions.         explain what you claim to be the "bs strawberry problem" and the "herring and much more", and bring your sources for those opinions.   

otherwise you're just cluttering the thread.      or as dan likes to say, #haterswillhate.   
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on February 17, 2013, 04:47:44 PM
instead of throwing out off the cuff statements as if you know something.  explain your positions.         explain what you claim to be the "bs strawberry problem" and the "herring and much more", and bring your sources for those opinions.   

otherwise you're just cluttering the thread.      or as dan likes to say, #haterswillhate.

The perfect description of your own posts on this thread so far. We still await something of substance from you.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Fish Tank on February 17, 2013, 04:50:07 PM
instead of throwing out off the cuff statements as if you know something.  explain your positions.         explain what you claim to be the "bs strawberry problem" and the "herring and much more", and bring your sources for those opinions.   

otherwise you're just cluttering the thread.      or as dan likes to say, #haterswillhate.
As a clueless outsider just lurking in this thread, (meaning, not at all involved in the kashrus politics) it would seem very suspiciuos that the eida would hire a chief that's residing overseas.
Care to state the knowledge that we're all lacking?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yare on February 17, 2013, 04:52:32 PM
The perfect description of your own posts on this thread so far. We still await something of substance from you.
kal ha'poisel, bi'mumo poisel.     

i actually don't claim to have a thorough knowledge of the kashrus industry; i do know a couple basic things though from living here 8 years.     you, on the other hand, are non-stop touting your supposed knowledge without ever bringing sources.   so, ya, as i once heard, we still await something of substance from you.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Jkhein on February 17, 2013, 04:59:16 PM
@Yare,
It is unfortunate that whenever someone posts something about the Eida, that is unlike your grandfather and great grandfathers taught you (this kind of approach is kind of ceasing to exist already, mind you), you look at it as we are out here to bash them.
I have given you the leads to take further, and will not go into detail here, as I am indeed not out here to bash them like you think we all are, it's a thread to discuss kashrus, and I have chosen to which depth to discuss it to, and believe me, I have chosen a very light level.
#haterswillhate, does not really apply here, unless you just want to hear what you want to, which it seems like.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on February 17, 2013, 05:05:46 PM
heh, that sums up about 99.9% of disagreements on the forums.   

so, lets take it to the next level, what are you basing your word on in this case?
I should rephrase it as my "opinion" against yours.

First of all, even with all the mud-slinging from one kashrus agency to the next, it's a known thing that most kashrus agencies work with one another at the end of the day, as long as they're both orthodox. That includes both Eida and Rabbanut.

Second, I have simply never heard of an Eida embargo against being in contact or doing business with Rabbanut.  I can understand the Eida not relying on Rabbanut, even if they were so bold to consider Rabbanut 100% unreliable. But not doing business with the Rabbanut is a completely different story. There is absolutely no reason for it, nor any gain. It sounds childish to me that the Eida would put Rabbanut in a so-called cherem. If, for some reason you believe that there is such an unspoken embargo, continue to the next point.

Third, when Eida is hired in an establishment in addition to Rabbanut, they are technically working with each other. They don't mind using the rabbanut mashgiach if he's reliable, and they split the payments to the mashgiach. That is already considered doing business with one another.

Fourth, the Eida is a for-profit hechsher. If they could make more money by selling stuff to the Rabbanut, they would.

Remember what you responded? I sure do! Nothing!- like anything else you were challenged on. You have absolutely no knowledge of kashrus,  while I and others have some. No, I'm not claiming to be a kashrus expert. But I am definitely not nearly as stupid as you are.

Go troll somewhere else.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on February 17, 2013, 05:07:34 PM
kal ha'poisel, bi'mumo poisel.

So I used your own words against you, and you in turn quote me that line?
LMAO :P
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yare on February 17, 2013, 05:21:08 PM
@Yare,
It is unfortunate that whenever someone posts something about the Eida, that is unlike your grandfather and great grandfathers taught you (this kind of approach is kind of ceasing to exist already, mind you), you look at it as we are out here to bash them.
I have given you the leads to take further, and will not go into detail here, as I am indeed not out here to bash them like you think we all are, it's a thread to discuss kashrus, and I have chosen to which depth to discuss it to, and believe me, I have chosen a very light level.
#haterswillhate, does not really apply here, unless you just want to hear what you want to, which it seems like.
that's cute.  you spout off how horrible the eida is throwing out a couple words you heard on the street and then refuse to back anything you said, claiming some ridiculous claim about depth of discussion.     if you think anyone here believes that, they don't.     

Remember what you responded? I sure do! Nothing!- like anything else you were challenged on. You have absolutely no knowledge of kashrus,  while I and others have some. No, I'm not claiming to be a kashrus expert. But I am definitely not nearly as stupid as you are.

Go troll somewhere else.
and once again you have nothing intelligent to say.   no sources, just more mouthing off.   it's kind of funny actually, you have nothing to add to any mileage part of the mileage forums.  you just sit around trolling the kashrus thread, and then, even here, you never bring a source, just try to put down other people.   seems to me, you're the only idiot in this room.   
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Jkhein on February 17, 2013, 05:29:27 PM
that's cute.  you spout off how horrible the eida is throwing out a couple words you heard on the street and then refuse to back anything you said, claiming some ridiculous claim about depth of discussion.     if you think anyone here believes that, they don't.     
you would be quite shocked to know which part of the street though, but truth is, if after eight years of living here vs. my six, you still only have this limited amount of info and/or connections in the field, than why are we discussing this with you at all.
and once again you have nothing intelligent to say.   no sources, just more mouthing off.   it's kind of funny actually, you have nothing to add to any mileage part of the mileage forums.  you just sit around trolling the kashrus thread, and then, even here, you never bring a source, just try to put down other people.   seems to me, you're the only idiot in this room.   
so youre saying that mileage discussion is the intelligent part of this forum, but kashrus is the "dumb" part.
someones got their priorities a little off here, but wants his word to be last, should we give it to him?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moish on February 17, 2013, 05:53:41 PM
and once again you have nothing intelligent to say.   no sources, just more mouthing off.   it's kind of funny actually, you have nothing to add to any mileage part of the mileage forums.  you just sit around trolling the kashrus thread, and then, even here, you never bring a source, just try to put down other people.   seems to me, you're the only idiot in this room.   
well said
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: hocker on February 17, 2013, 08:49:46 PM
and once again you have nothing intelligent to say.   no sources, just more mouthing off.

1. It's kind of funny actually, you have nothing to add to any mileage part of the mileage forums. You just sit around trolling the kashrus thread, and then, even here, you never bring a source, just try to put down other people.

2. It seems to me you're the only idiot in this room.
well said
Badly written.

In general can you try to write a bit neater? My eyes are hurting!

1. I looked through your threads up until Jan 31 and I haven't found a single helpful comment or any at all in any mileage thread from you either. כל הפוסל במומו פוסל

2. I remember hearing from you (Not necessarily on the forums) the same or similar sentiments about other DDF members.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: outsider on February 17, 2013, 08:56:53 PM
Does anyone have any hasgacha jobs in Chicago that they know of? A buddy is looking for work in that field.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on February 18, 2013, 12:22:41 AM
   
and once again you have nothing intelligent to say.   no sources, just more mouthing off.   it's kind of funny actually, you have nothing to add to any mileage part of the mileage forums.

LMAO once again. ;D ;D ;D

Quote
you just sit around trolling the kashrus thread, and then, even here, you never bring a source, just try to put down other people.   seems to me, you're the only idiot in this room.   

Even on this page I brought a source to something. It seems like you (and moish) have an auto alert whenever someone mentions the Eida.
I just looked it up.
I found in the בית הלל אלול תשס"א (http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=50547&st=&pgnum=64) (I linked to the end) that there have been problems with the food colorings that they use. They have found in Central America that they use non kosher grape juice/wine to give Coke its color.

It's an interesting article/tshuva, worth it to read the whole thing.
But of course, you never challenged me to bring a source to something specific, so of course there is nothing to bring a source to. Though, even with all your love of sources, you never bring one source or reason to defend your statement that the Eida would never do business with the Rabbanut.

You are the quintessential rendition of a troll.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Drago on February 18, 2013, 02:12:14 AM
Holy %$@%*!
Can you guys stop insulting each other already? This is getting way out of hand.

To my minimal knowledge, the gemara brings down the lack of achdus for many of our historical problems, not the lack of strict kashrus observance. So let's try to focus on the first at the same time we focus on the second.

Why don't we simply get a few actual in the field kashrus experts from all walks of life into a room to talk with us? Yuneeq, have you been able to contact anyone yet?

Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on February 18, 2013, 02:25:30 AM
Holy %$@%*!
Can you guys stop insulting each other already? This is getting way out of hand.

To my minimal knowledge, the gemara brings down the lack of achdus for many of our historical problems, not the lack of strict kashrus observance. So let's try to focus on the first at the same time we focus on the second.

Why don't we simply get a few actual in the field kashrus experts from all walks of life into a room to talk with us? Yuneeq, have you been able to contact anyone yet?

There can't be one kashrus discussion without yare or moish rudely interrupting. Its getting really annoying, so henceforth I will ignore and ask others to ignore any useless comments that they write.

About the kashrus DO, I will call Spira today, though I'm not able to make it until after Purim. Also, I would like to mention a clear reason why we would like to meet him.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Drago on February 18, 2013, 02:56:37 AM
Also, I would like to mention a clear reason why we would like to meet him.
How about the fact that ppl's not having enough knowledge is causing divisiveness? That should be a good reason.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on February 18, 2013, 03:01:11 AM
How about the fact that ppl's not having enough knowledge is causing divisiveness? That should be a good reason.

Sounds good to me.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moish on February 18, 2013, 03:40:14 AM
There can't be one kashrus discussion without yare or moish rudely interrupting.
example of where i "rudely interrupted?"
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yare on February 18, 2013, 05:33:53 AM
Badly written.

In general can you try to write a bit neater? My eyes are hurting!
i don't feel the need to make bullet points, you seem to have done a fine job figuring it out on your own.
1. I looked through your threads up until Jan 31 and I haven't found a single helpful comment or any at all in any mileage thread from you either. כל הפוסל במומו פוסל
you looked through 1400 posts and didn't find any mileage thread comments ???     lol
2. I remember hearing from you (Not necessarily on the forums) the same or similar sentiments about other DDF members.
i don't know you, on or off the forums, so i have no clue what that means


LMAO once again. ;D ;D ;D

Even on this page I brought a source to something. It seems like you (and moish) have an auto alert whenever someone mentions the Eida.But of course, you never challenged me to bring a source to something specific, so of course there is nothing to bring a source to. Though, even with all your love of sources, you never bring one source or reason to defend your statement that the Eida would never do business with the Rabbanut.
i spend many hours a day around eida people.  i know their hashkafos and a bit of their politics.  no source, just personal experience.       

you brought a source to a random thing that noone argued about.  kal hakavod. clap clap.   now, maybe try bringing sources for the things actually under discussion, such as your opinions about the way the eida deals with kashrus, and that rubin deals with it the same etc etc          you know full well what we mean when we said you don't bring sources.  but, no, you like to avoid the point with lots of lols and lmaos and smileys and throw in a couple "trolls" and "stupid" and there ya go.          i'd be surprised if you're a day over 16.            grow up, and if you can back up your comments do so.  otherwise, just admit that it's no more than your own baseless emotional prattle.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on February 18, 2013, 08:43:45 AM
So just met with Yechiel Spira: He is willing to do the DO at his house for free.

I asked if he can get someone else on board too: He says that right now before pesach it's the busiest season of the year for mashgichim, so he probably won't be able to find someone from an agency that would be willing to do it. Though, he says that if we're willing to pay, there will probably be someone good he can find.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Drago on February 18, 2013, 01:20:47 PM
Interesting post about news going around Israel.
http://lifeinisrael.blogspot.co.il/2013/02/is-eida-squeezing-its-food-producers.html
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 18, 2013, 01:35:35 PM
Kashrus is a for profit industry. End of story.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moish on February 18, 2013, 03:13:34 PM
So just met with Yechiel Spira: He is willing to do the DO at his house for free.

I asked if he can get someone else on board too: He says that right now before pesach it's the busiest season of the year for mashgichim, so he probably won't be able to find someone from an agency that would be willing to do it. Though, he says that if we're willing to pay, there will probably be someone good he can find.
i would be interested, and help pay for, if you can get r' kuber
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on February 18, 2013, 03:21:14 PM
i would be interested, and help pay for, if you can get r' kuber

If we can get him to come from Telz-stone, even for some money, I would be very surprised.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Chaikel on February 18, 2013, 04:40:15 PM
i would be interested, and help pay for, if you can get r' kuber
I've done business with him, I just don't really know how to ask him. I think YossiK is very close with him
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moish on February 18, 2013, 04:56:42 PM
I've done business with him, I just don't really know how to ask him. I think YossiK is very close with him
what kind of biz?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yare on February 18, 2013, 05:57:46 PM
I've done business with him, I just don't really know how to ask him. I think YossiK is very close with him
what's the problem with asking him?  he does kashrus lectures at times.  just tell him there's a group of interested people etc etc   you dont have to tell him it's a ddf affair
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Chaikel on February 18, 2013, 06:31:31 PM
what's the problem with asking him?  he does kashrus lectures at times.  just tell him there's a group of interested people etc etc   you dont have to tell him it's a ddf affair
If we get a better idea like how many/where/when/etc I'll consider asking him. Or anyone that learns in the Mir can just walk over to him and ask
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 18, 2013, 07:50:42 PM
Yosef Zaritsky from Bnei Brak is considered the biggest independent mumche. I don't have his phone number handy but for some money I think he'll go.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moish on February 18, 2013, 08:22:17 PM
Yosef Zaritsky from Bnei Brak is considered the biggest independent mumche. I don't have his phone number handy but for some money I think he'll go.
considered by whom
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 18, 2013, 08:27:21 PM
considered by whom
Wikipedia (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=יוסי%20זרציקי&source=web&cd=7&ved=0CFcQFjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhe.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F%25D7%2599%25D7%2595%25D7%25A1%25D7%25A3_%25D7%2596%25D7%25A8%25D7%2599%25D7%25A6%25D7%25A7%25D7%2599_(%25D7%25A8%25D7%2591)&ei=pdciUbXuMoTc9AT53oHoDw&usg=AFQjCNEKxtpHVpoEu8MnNtozB73-WPXpTw&sig2=QcUj8n2DSo-nImxxlo1RCw&bvm=bv.42553238,d.eWU)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Jkhein on February 19, 2013, 01:42:37 AM
Yosef Zaritsky from Bnei Brak is considered the biggest independent mumche. I don't have his phone number handy but for some money I think he'll go.
I do. like all, he also has his personal negios though, but he is good to get a rough idea.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yare on February 19, 2013, 02:55:39 AM
I do. like all, he also has his personal negios though, but he is good to get a rough idea.
he also only speaks hebrew, not sure if that works for everyone
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yare on February 19, 2013, 02:28:19 PM
Interesting post about news going around Israel.
http://lifeinisrael.blogspot.co.il/2013/02/is-eida-squeezing-its-food-producers.html
i know, very surprising that there should be another side to the story, but...
from ywn:
Responding to Israel Radio was Eida Chareidis spokesman Shmuel Peppenheim.

ISRAEL RADIO:

Why are so many mashgichim required?

EIDA:

I don’t know where this farmer has gathered so many complaints. We employ one mashgiach at the level of the farms, for an entire district.

ISRAEL RADIO:

Yes but there are also mashgichim from the Chief Rabbinate. Why not rely on them?

EIDA:

Those wishing to rely upon the Chief Rabbinate may do so and that is absolutely fine. Badatz Eida Chareidis is a private hashgacha and those wishing our services must comply with our stringent standards. Yes, the law demands the Rabbinate’s certification, and then they can use us if they wish or not. It is not compulsory. We are private.

Regarding the packing area our mashgiach works quite hard, despite that farmer’s statements. It is not just growing fruit on a tree and after three years one can eat. Trees require work, pruning and other care for the farmer’s good, and some of these issues do result in kashrus concerns. The mashgiach understands this things but the farmer may not. That is fine. The mashgiach does what he is responsible to do.

ISRAEL RADIO:

Farmer Netzer Shamir from a moshav in the Negev claims you guys disqualified 10 tons of lemons from his orchard that were over 3 years old.

EIDA:

We have no connection to that farmer. We deal with a middle man who markets produce from many areas. The Eida only uses a small amount of produce that which meets our stringent standard and we pay dearly for this.

ISRAEL RADIO:

Don’t you think your standards are harming the livelihood of farmers?

EIDA:

Quite the contrary sir. We open many markets and doors for a farmer wishing to export and they earn more per ton of produce with us than they will without our hashgacha.

I don’t believe that he had to destroy the lemons for if we do not use it the Chief Rabbinate would take it. Even if the Chief Rabbinate said it does not want it, then he can sell it abroad to the marketplace uninterested in kashrus. It is most unfortunate people like this farmer make such baseless allegations for the Eida would never compel him to destroy tons of lemons.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: rots5 on February 19, 2013, 03:30:51 PM
I've done business with him, I just don't really know how to ask him. I think YossiK is very close with him
yossik has arranged a pre pesach kashrus shuir from r' kuber at tomoshar - on thurs night at 8 ... tentative... i will ask him tom at first seder but that was the plan yesterday..

and guys pls stop fighting, its just politics. we all cool!
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on February 19, 2013, 03:50:16 PM
yossik has arranged a pre pesach kashrus shuir from r' kuber at tomoshar - on thurs night at 8 ... tentative... i will ask him tom at first seder but that was the plan yesterday..

and guys pls stop fighting, its just politics. we all cool!

Thanks for the invite. What's tomoshar? And just wondering, who is yossik?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Drago on February 19, 2013, 03:56:06 PM
Thanks for the invite. What's tomoshar? And just wondering, who is yossik?
Gotta be in the circle of trust to know those things
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on February 19, 2013, 04:02:50 PM
Gotta be in the circle of trust to know those things

So I must be standing somewhere in the middle of rejection square :P
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: rots5 on February 19, 2013, 04:24:30 PM
So I must be standing somewhere in the middle of rejection square :P
when i find out more info about the shuir ill write it sll outl.  Tomoshar is somewhere in maalot dafna
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on February 19, 2013, 04:29:02 PM
when i find out more info ill explain it all.  Its somehwere in maalot dafna

I'm fine with that as long as I'm not the only who has no idea what's been said :P
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yare on February 19, 2013, 05:31:44 PM
yossik has arranged a pre pesach kashrus shuir from r' kuber at tomoshar - on thurs night at 8 ... tentative... i will ask him tom at first seder but that was the plan yesterday..

and guys pls stop fighting, its just politics. we all cool!
not fighting, just pointing out an interesting article.    (a tad bid of sarcasm never hurt anybody)

"pre pesach" means it's only going to be geared towards pesach kashrus issues?   
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: rots5 on February 19, 2013, 05:34:57 PM
not fighting, just pointing out an interesting article.    (a tad bid of sarcasm never hurt anybody)

"pre pesach" means it's only going to be geared towards pesach kashrus issues?
i think its geared towards hechahaeim
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yare on February 19, 2013, 05:57:22 PM
hechahaeim
???  wha?  ;)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: rots5 on February 19, 2013, 05:57:57 PM
???  come again?  ;)
sorry.  הכשרים.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moish on February 20, 2013, 01:54:39 AM
if anyone goes, can they record it?
Title: Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Pics Master Thread
Post by: satturn on February 26, 2013, 03:39:28 AM
WORLD
except for their matzas- where they are famous for having a very maikel mesorah. SIH (so i hear)
Title: Re: Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Pics Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on February 26, 2013, 05:36:23 AM
Eida Chardies is considered the best hechsher in Israel

Unless you are stringent to eat only Beis Yosef meat...
Title: Re: Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Pics Master Thread
Post by: Drago on February 26, 2013, 05:41:35 AM
Unless you are stringent to eat only Beis Yosef meat...
Before this goes on, it belongs in this thread:
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=16659.0
Title: Re: Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Pics Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on February 26, 2013, 07:20:06 AM
Unless you are stringent to eat only Beis Yosef meat...

What are your thoughts about Eida beef. Is it Beis Yosef (BY) in the sense that they do not touch sirchos at all? I ask because a posek I know asked someone high in the organization around ten years ago and was told that the meat isn't BY. And another rov I know asked R' Shternbuch a couple years ago if the meat is BY, to which he responded "mistama". Doesn't sound too convincing.

Anyone have any other info? I am looking to hear other sides, as the people I'm around are convinced that it isn't BY.

To those that may respond that the Eida are machmir every shitto, so of course the meat must be BY, should be notified that it wasn't so long ago that the Eida's standards of bishul yisrael and grape juice (hagefen) did not fit the Beis Yosef's shitto.
Title: Re: Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Pics Master Thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 26, 2013, 12:52:29 PM
What are your thoughts about Eida beef. Is it Beis Yosef (BY) in the sense that they do not touch sirchos at all? I ask because a posek I know asked someone high in the organization around ten years ago and was told that the meat isn't BY. And another rov I know asked R' Shternbuch a couple years ago if the meat is BY, to which he responded "mistama". Doesn't sound too convincing.

Anyone have any other info? I am looking to hear other sides, as the people I'm around are convinced that it isn't BY.

To those that may respond that the Eida are machmir every shitto, so of course the meat must be BY, should be notified that it wasn't so long ago that the Eida's standards of bishul yisrael and grape juice (hagefen) did not fit the Beis Yosef's shitto.
Rumor has it the Eida doesnt care about BY. It does say on the stamp לאשכנזים. Anyhow, mods please move this conversation to where it belongs...
Title: Re: Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Pics Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on February 26, 2013, 12:54:11 PM
Rumor has it the Eida doesnt care about BY. It does say on the stamp לאשכנזים. Anyhow, mods please move this conversation to where it belongs...

It's in the Kashrus thread already, where else should it be?
Title: Re: Re: KSML (Kosher Airline Meals) Pics Master Thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 26, 2013, 12:56:12 PM
It's in the Kashrus thread already, where else should it be?
This is a thread about the quality of Kosher Food, not about the Kashrus of Eida Charedis. Why do you care? Let the Mods do their jobs..
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on February 26, 2013, 12:59:58 PM
Do us a favor and read the title of this post, or scroll up to the top of the page.

Thanks for the info about the Eida. Can anyone upload a pic of their hashgacha on meat?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moish on February 26, 2013, 01:04:23 PM
im pretty sure the eida requires wingtips to be removed from chicken wings...
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on February 26, 2013, 01:08:35 PM
im pretty sure the eida requires wingtips to be removed from chicken wings...

Thanks for the info, though I'm asking specifically about Eida beef if the lungs are not treif according to the Beis Yosef. 
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 26, 2013, 01:10:22 PM
Do us a favor and read the title of this post, or scroll up to the top of the page.

Thanks for the info about the Eida. Can anyone upload a pic of their hashgacha on meat?
Whoops, sorry. Wasn't this originally in the KSML thread?

Sorry.

There is the badatz is called בית דין צדק לכל מקהלות האשכנזים.They actually have a separate unit for Sefardim (non kashrus)

Here's some info

http://www.bhol.co.il/forum/topic.asp?topic_id=2880311&forum_id=19616

Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moish on February 26, 2013, 01:14:53 PM
Thanks for the info, though I'm asking specifically about Eida beef if the lungs are not treif according to the Beis Yosef. 
my point is that the hechsher is catering to the sefardim as well
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on February 26, 2013, 01:20:33 PM
my point is that the hechsher is catering to the sefardim as well

I acknowledged that already, though I have never heard anything about them having BY meat. Unlike wingtips, the cost difference to the Eida is substantial.

Platinumguy- I don't see those words written on the Badatz hechsher on the products I have in my house. Its probably an old thing they changed.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Chaikel on February 26, 2013, 01:28:23 PM
Whoops, sorry. Wasn't this originally in the KSML thread?

Sorry.
Yes, and the mods did their job as requested
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 26, 2013, 01:29:40 PM
Yes, and the mods did their job as requested
Thank you
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: RT on February 26, 2013, 03:52:21 PM
Anyone know about baby food and baby formula for pesach?
Title: Free tall machiatto at participating starbux (kosher?)
Post by: springles on March 05, 2013, 02:11:40 PM
I saw on another site a discussion about a free hazelnut or caramel machiatto at starbucks.  There is supposedly a flyer in some stores but people are being successful even in other stores by giving the barista code 350. 
My focus is on the kashrus of these drinks. According to my quick research the caramel machiatto is not kosher but I cannot find any info on the hazelnut, which apparently is a new drink.  Anyone know anything about this?
Title: Re: Free tall machiatto at participating starbux (kosher?)
Post by: rots5 on March 05, 2013, 03:35:44 PM
I saw on another site a discussion about a free hazelnut or caramel machiatto at starbucks.  There is supposedly a flyer in some stores but people are being successful even in other stores by giving the barista code 350. 
My focus is on the kashrus of these drinks. According to my quick research the caramel machiatto is not kosher but I cannot find any info on the hazelnut, which apparently is a new drink.  Anyone know anything about this?
go to kosherstarbucks.com. Its an old Dira mate of mine.
Title: Re: Free tall machiatto at participating starbux (kosher?)
Post by: sky121 on March 05, 2013, 03:38:37 PM
I saw on another site a discussion about a free hazelnut or caramel machiatto at starbucks.  There is supposedly a flyer in some stores but people are being successful even in other stores by giving the barista code 350. 
My focus is on the kashrus of these drinks. According to my quick research the caramel machiatto is not kosher but I cannot find any info on the hazelnut, which apparently is a new drink.  Anyone know anything about this?

Unless something clearly has some treif in it, or one of the ingredients doesn't have any sort of hechsher no one can give you a straight answer really. Everyone holds different. Most of the issues come from how they make the drinks and what else has been made on the instruments and where it was washed.
Title: Re: Free tall machiatto at participating starbux (kosher?)
Post by: good sam on March 05, 2013, 04:20:07 PM
Unless something clearly has some treif in it, or one of the ingredients doesn't have any sort of hechsher no one can give you a straight answer really. Everyone holds different. Most of the issues come from how they make the drinks and what else has been made on the instruments and where it was washed.
#kashrusinanutshell
Title: Re: Free tall machiatto at participating starbux (kosher?)
Post by: mickeyg on March 05, 2013, 04:23:42 PM
#kashrusinanutshell
+1
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on March 05, 2013, 04:29:15 PM
There's gonna be a Kashrus Kennes in the Prima Palace on March 14th. Hosted by Tnuva, admission is free but must be reserved in advance. There will be shiurim given by many prominent Kashrus experts and rabbonim on the different topics regarding milk and dairy products. I will try to attach a pic of the invitation when I get home.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: rots5 on March 05, 2013, 04:35:19 PM
Anyone know about baby food and baby formula for pesach?
+1
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: robi on March 05, 2013, 04:43:15 PM
Anyone know about baby food and baby formula for pesach?
when my daughter was on formula and couldn't eat solids we used materna  with badatz  for peasach.  I'm pretty sure though that they all have kitnios
Title: Re: Free tall machiatto at participating starbux (kosher?)
Post by: rots5 on March 05, 2013, 04:55:43 PM
If anyone wants cRc's 20 page write up of everything about Starbucks pm me i can send it to u
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on March 05, 2013, 05:19:33 PM
..
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Drago on March 06, 2013, 01:08:41 AM
@Yuneeq
Do you eat rice on Pesach?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on March 06, 2013, 02:37:47 AM
@Yuneeq
Do you eat rice on Pesach?

Yes, I do. Why do you ask?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Drago on March 06, 2013, 04:39:17 AM
Yes, I do. Why do you ask?
I think it's great. So many ppl slowly erode away their minhagim to be 'accepted'. (eg, the Sephardic rabbanim and the yichud room kerfuffle last year)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on March 06, 2013, 05:59:27 AM
I think it's great. So many ppl slowly erode away their minhagim to be 'accepted'. (eg, the Sephardic rabbanim and the yichud room kerfuffle last year)

Agreed. Though I remember the yichud room story being 3 years ago.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Drago on March 06, 2013, 06:29:11 AM
Agreed. Though I remember the yichud room story being 3 years ago.
We're both wrong. Happened in March 2011.
http://sephardiccustoms.blogspot.co.il/2011/03/pressure-of-ashkenazi-rabbi-on.html
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: judahk88 on March 10, 2013, 06:27:18 PM
Anyone know if there is Kosher for Pesach Organic milk? Where would I be able to get? TIA
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: jack12 on March 11, 2013, 09:06:18 AM
If anyone wants cRc's 20 page write up of everything about Starbucks pm me i can send it to u
http://www.crcweb.org/Starbucks%20cRc%20Full%20Article%20April%202011.pdf
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: world2see on March 11, 2013, 09:34:55 AM
anyone hear of Rav Shlomo Issacson associated with K.O.A. ?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: mochada on March 11, 2013, 12:36:41 PM
anyone hear of Rav Shlomo Issacson associated with K.O.A. ?

Yes- he is based out of Passaic.  I wonder the same myself.  I have asked relatives in Passaic who tell me that it is good on some but not others....I haven't eaten anything under the KOA hechsher because I am not 100% sure.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Drago on March 14, 2013, 03:28:52 AM
Short video of how the rabbanut does kashrus fraud checks.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/165780#.UUF6_NanAww

Funny how the guy carries a gun, and it would be nice to see the entire process along with the punishments doled out, if any.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Jkhein on March 14, 2013, 12:17:04 PM
A friend of mine got a $500+ order from a restauranant in Manhatten, http://www.bensdeli.net delivered to him by a non Jewish business colleague.
Any information on this Supervising rabbi of Kashrus, "Rabbi Steinberg"? (Bear in mind, this place probably makes a smashing chulent as it's open Shabbos)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: judahk88 on March 14, 2013, 12:19:49 PM
A friend of mine got a $500+ order from a restauranant in Manhatten, http://www.bensdeli.net (http://www.bensdeli.net/) delivered to him by a non Jewish business colleague.
Any information on this Supervising rabbi of Kashrus, "Rabbi Steinberg"? (Bear in mind, this place probably makes a smashing chulent as it's open Shabbos)
If the place is open on shabbos then I am not sure what your question is?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Jkhein on March 14, 2013, 12:42:17 PM
If the place is open on shabbos then I am not sure what your question is?
obviously it's not about eating the food....
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: judahk88 on March 14, 2013, 12:45:04 PM
obviously it's not about eating the food....
what is the rabbis first name?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Jkhein on March 14, 2013, 12:45:57 PM
what is the rabbis first name?
Yisroel Meir. check the above website.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: judahk88 on March 14, 2013, 12:49:51 PM
Yisroel Meir. check the above website.
I just read this (http://forward.com/articles/12725/nd-ave-deli-cooks-up-controversy-/) article.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Dan on March 14, 2013, 12:53:10 PM
How does he do random checks on all the places he "supervises" if they're open on shabbos  ::)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: businessmachine on March 14, 2013, 12:54:40 PM
How does he do random checks on all the places he "supervises" if they're open on shabbos  ::)


um...he lives nearby  ;)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Jkhein on March 14, 2013, 12:55:57 PM

um...he lives nearby  ;)
he lives in Boro Park as per his letterhead.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Dan on March 14, 2013, 12:56:45 PM
And he "supervises" numerous places.

What a joke.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: judahk88 on March 14, 2013, 01:23:21 PM
How does he do random checks on all the places he "supervises" if they're open on shabbos  ::)
haha I guess this guy is not the best hechsher.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: damaxer91 on March 14, 2013, 02:20:45 PM
Bens is Kosher but not "Glatt Kosher". I do not know any Frum people that eat there
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on March 14, 2013, 02:25:18 PM
How does he do random checks on all the places he "supervises" if they're open on shabbos  ::)

How do any of the Kashrus agencies monitor factories on shabbos?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Chaikel on March 14, 2013, 04:06:56 PM
How do any of the Kashrus agencies monitor factories on shabbos?
They have walkins
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on March 15, 2013, 12:16:35 PM
They have walkins

Exactly.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Galitzyaner on March 18, 2013, 12:20:27 AM
Bens is Kosher but not "Glatt Kosher". I do not know any Frum people that eat there
+1 
Stay away from anything certified by this "ruv" Steinberg.
So I was told by head/rabbi of one of the two main UWS hechsherim who certify a lot of Manhattan restaurants.
The Steinberg (Cup K) certified restaurants are IIRC all open on Shabbos!  And Bens delicatessen is basically the same idea as Hebrew National... Not somewhere any frum people eat..

You'd probably even trust Rabbi Harry Cohen before Steinberg...
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 18, 2013, 04:55:05 AM
+1 
Stay away from anything certified by this "ruv" Steinberg.
So I was told by head/rabbi of one of the two main UWS hechsherim who certify a lot of Manhattan restaurants.
The Steinberg (Cup K) certified restaurants are IIRC all open on Shabbos!  And Bens delicatessen is basically the same idea as Hebrew National... Not somewhere any frum people eat..

You'd probably even trust Rabbi Harry Cohen before Steinberg...

Excuse me. On what basis are you bashing R Stienberg? The fact that it's not glatt doesn't make him into any less of a 'ruv'.

Is there any contradiction between being open on Shabbos and being Kosher?

Coffee beans are kosher yet open on Shabbos.

And no, I don't eat there. But I have no problem with it being open on Shabbos.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 18, 2013, 04:58:06 AM
How does he do random checks on all the places he "supervises" if they're open on shabbos  ::)
Perhaps he has people working for him who libpve nearby? Perhaps he stays nearby I random shabboses.

 You dont eat at the Coffee bean and tea leaf in Singapore? It's open on Shabbos. (obviously)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Galitzyaner on March 18, 2013, 07:05:58 AM
Excuse me. On what basis are you bashing R Stienberg? The fact that it's not glatt doesn't make him into any less of a 'ruv'.

Is there any contradiction between being open on Shabbos and being Kosher?

Coffee beans are kosher yet open on Shabbos.

And no, I don't eat there. But I have no problem with it being open on Shabbos.
+1 
Stay away from anything certified by this "ruv" Steinberg.
So I was told by head/rabbi of one of the two main UWS hechsherim who certify a lot of Manhattan restaurants.
Bens delicatessen is basically the same idea as Hebrew National... Not somewhere any frum people eat..
Just passing on what I'm told by s/o who (unlike me) actually knows what goes on.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Chaikel on March 18, 2013, 07:08:23 AM
Just passing on what I'm told by s/o who (unlike me) actually knows what goes on.
He has issue with you using quotes around the word ruv, not the fact that it might not be a reliable hechsher
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Galitzyaner on March 18, 2013, 07:10:25 AM
He has issue with you using quotes around the word ruv, not the fact that it might not be a reliable hechsher
Oh, if so, my apologies!

BTW, PG, do you know who this Steinberg is?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Jkhein on March 18, 2013, 10:58:26 AM
Excuse me. On what basis are you bashing R Stienberg? The fact that it's not glatt doesn't make him into any less of a 'ruv'.

Is there any contradiction between being open on Shabbos and being Kosher?

Coffee beans are kosher yet open on Shabbos.

And no, I don't eat there. But I have no problem with it being open on Shabbos.
there is no contradiction at all, but if I may ask, if it would be glatt would you eat there?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Dan on March 18, 2013, 12:46:00 PM
You dont eat at the Coffee bean and tea leaf in Singapore? It's open on Shabbos. (obviously)
The Coffee Bean has one location in SIN that's kosher. Either way I didn't eat there as it's not C"Y.

Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on March 18, 2013, 05:49:01 PM
just got this alert from cRc
Quote from: cRc
March 18, 2013
 
The cRc has verified that the only store in Ben Gurion Airport that does not buy or sell any chometz over Pesach
and is properly selling their chometz for 2013 is the James Richardson Store at Gate D7.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on March 18, 2013, 07:07:54 PM
just got this alert from cRc

I guess they arent taking restaurants into account....
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: David B on March 18, 2013, 09:51:12 PM
And Bens delicatessen is basically the same idea as Hebrew National...
FYI...Ben's actually serves Hebrew National meat....so it's not the 'same idea' as Hebrew National....it IS Hebrew National
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on March 18, 2013, 09:52:16 PM
I guess they arent taking restaurants into account....
if u have info please share
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on March 18, 2013, 10:47:23 PM
if u have info please share

There are a couple of Mehadrin restaurants in the airport. Unless they are making serious accusations against at least two different hechsherim, I doubt they are taking restaurants into account.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 19, 2013, 12:47:54 AM
The Coffee Bean has one location in SIN that's kosher. Either way I didn't eat there as it's not C"Y.
They have non dairy products
there is no contradiction at all, but if I may ask, if it would be glatt would you eat there?
probably, yes. But I don't know for sure.

I don't know him but I seem to recall he has a shul in Queens somewhere.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: judahk88 on March 19, 2013, 08:37:15 AM
Anyone know what detergents are kosher l'pesach?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: raphy781 on March 19, 2013, 08:41:14 AM
Anyone know what detergents are kosher l'pesach?
Correct me if I'm wrong...... I don't think detergent is ra'uy l'achilas kelev. Why would it be an issue????
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: raphy781 on March 19, 2013, 08:45:31 AM
FTFY
FTFY?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on March 19, 2013, 08:53:32 AM
Word on the Israeli street says:

If one sees the Badatz mehadrin logo and directly next to it (under) one sees the "kosher for Pesach" it is an indication the product is mehadrin non-kitnios kosher.

Alternatively, if one sees the Badatz Mehadrin logo, and ink jet typeset elsewhere on the package, not adjacent to the logo, there is the added wording of "kitnios".

In one case, two products, both a variety of the "Milky" pudding, one with kitnios and one without, both displaying the Badatz Mehadrin logo. Possibly, many/most shoppers will not make the differentiation.

On a connected note, all "Tnuva mehadrin" hashgacha products are kitnios free. An item that is mehadrin year round that is not mehadrin for Pesach will say "regular kosher" to highlight the difference.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Chaikel on March 19, 2013, 08:57:28 AM
Word on the Israeli street says:

If one sees the Badatz mehadrin logo and directly next to it (under) one sees the "kosher for Pesach" it is an indication the product is mehadrin non-kitnios kosher.

Alternatively, if one sees the Badatz Mehadrin logo, and ink jet typeset elsewhere on the package, not adjacent to the logo, there is the added wording of "kitnios".

In one case, two products, both a variety of the "Milky" pudding, one with kitnios and one without, both displaying the Badatz Mehadrin logo. Possibly, many/most shoppers will not make the differentiation.

On a connected note, all "Tnuva mehadrin" hashgacha products are kitnios free. An item that is mehadrin year round that is not mehadrin for Pesach will say "regular kosher" to highlight the difference.
Which Badatz?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on March 19, 2013, 08:59:54 AM
Which Badatz?

Badatz mehadrin. Aka Rav Rubin..
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Dan on March 19, 2013, 11:52:18 AM
Anyone know what detergents are kosher l'pesach?
http://oukosher.org/passover/guidelines/non-food-items/non-food-items/

18. 29.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: judahk88 on March 19, 2013, 12:00:32 PM
http://oukosher.org/passover/guidelines/non-food-items/non-food-items/ (http://oukosher.org/passover/guidelines/non-food-items/non-food-items/)

18. 29.
Thank you!
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Galitzyaner on March 19, 2013, 09:38:41 PM
I guess they arent taking restaurants into account....
And lounge(?) ;)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: EE4504 on March 19, 2013, 10:09:13 PM
any idea if Rabbi Blumentkrantz Pessach guide is available for free download?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on March 19, 2013, 10:24:17 PM
any idea if Rabbi Blumentkrantz Pessach guide is available for free download?

Star k has a guide that they let you download for free only once.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: rots5 on March 19, 2013, 11:53:08 PM
Star k has a guide that they let you download for free only once.
did not find but here is blumencrantz.  And trust me 7$ is half price than the book!!
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Galitzyaner on March 20, 2013, 12:17:14 AM
Star k has a guide that they let you download for free only once.
Link?
did not find but here is blumencrantz.  And trust me 7$ is half price than the book!!
???
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on March 20, 2013, 05:50:00 AM
Link?

Didn't look for it. Saw it mentioned in a star k article on ywn.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: judahk88 on March 20, 2013, 12:19:41 PM
Anyone hear of Park bake shop in Kings park, NY? Is Hechsher any good?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: mow on March 20, 2013, 06:13:44 PM
Anybody know if the teavana brand of teas are kosher ?
What about the samplers in the stores they smell amazing ?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Chaikel on April 03, 2013, 03:24:56 PM
Anyone have an idea about the chometz sheavar situation at the UA Clubs?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on April 03, 2013, 03:55:14 PM
Anyone have an idea about the chometz sheavar situation at the UA Clubs?
Aren't the owners non Jewish?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: A3 on April 03, 2013, 03:59:28 PM
Anybody know if the teavana brand of teas are kosher ?
What about the samplers in the stores they smell amazing ?

Last time I was in Aventura mall. I asked them. They said that "no" they are not kosher certified.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Chaikel on April 03, 2013, 04:08:24 PM
Aren't the owners non Jewish?
No idea. You would know the owners of UA better than me. Are the Clubs owed by UA, or independent entity?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Drago on April 03, 2013, 08:48:12 PM
Any experts have an opinion on this?
http://kavvanah.wordpress.com/2013/03/29/rabbi-prof-marc-shapiro-on-the-need-kashrut-organizations/
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Dan on April 03, 2013, 09:57:37 PM
No idea. You would know the owners of UA better than me. Are the Clubs owed by UA, or independent entity?
UA, so same as any other public company.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: elikay on April 07, 2013, 07:12:18 PM
UA, so same as any other public company.
But you would also need to know who their supplier is as there are some jewish suppliers.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Chaikel on April 07, 2013, 07:18:20 PM
But you would also need to know who their supplier is as there are some jewish suppliers.
I went Motse YT, so doubtful that that was a problem, but good point in general
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Chaikel on April 17, 2013, 02:21:01 PM
Does anyone know anything about "Tablet K" on Ess A Bagels in Manhattan?
I was told Tablet K is worthless, but I have no direct knowledge
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: noturbizniss on April 17, 2013, 02:23:11 PM
I was told Tablet K is worthless, but I have no direct knowledge
+1.
I always confuse tablet-k with half moon K  which was bought by/ taken over by the OU and is now good.
Title: Re: Israel Master Thread: Things To Do, Places To Eat
Post by: yuneeq on April 21, 2013, 03:31:44 AM
The way it works with Rabbanut mehadrin, they can carry different hechsherim for the meat, chicken, vegetables, etc. So if they clearly said that the meat is Badatz beis yosef, don't eat it. It is also very helpful to try to figure out in rabbanut mehadrin restaurants if the mashgiach is a yirei shamayim doing his job well. Although rabbanut standards are high, the rabbanut is not on top of things, and it usually comes down to the reliability of the mashgiach.
Title: Re: Re: Israel Master Thread: Things To Do, Places To Eat
Post by: Drago on April 21, 2013, 05:20:55 AM
The way it works with Rabbanut mehadrin, they can carry different hechsherim for the meat, chicken, vegetables, etc. So if they clearly said that the meat is Badatz beis yosef, don't eat it. It is also very helpful to try to figure out in rabbanut mehadrin restaurants if the mashgiach is a yirei shamayim doing his job well. Although rabbanut standards are high, the rabbanut is not on top of things, and it usually comes down to the reliability of the mashgiach.
we need you to be our mashgiach checker, and to rate them all
Title: Re: Re: Israel Master Thread: Things To Do, Places To Eat
Post by: moish on April 21, 2013, 06:25:08 AM
typical rumors or slander because it sefardi.
thats ridiculous, as so is machpud, yet has a much better reputation
Title: Re: Re: Israel Master Thread: Things To Do, Places To Eat
Post by: Let3 on April 21, 2013, 06:42:24 AM
+1
Title: Re: Re: Israel Master Thread: Things To Do, Places To Eat
Post by: Moishebatchy on April 21, 2013, 06:49:21 AM
thats ridiculous, as so is machpud, yet has a much better reputation

+1
Title: Re: Re: Israel Master Thread: Things To Do, Places To Eat
Post by: ashers on April 21, 2013, 07:51:40 AM
Papagaio has a BAD history of kashrus, though it has gotten better since then. Still, it is under OU Israel which is not regarded too well among many rabbonim that I know. Badatz beis yosef I have yet to have heard any substantiated reports of bad supervision or kashrus standards. I have never heard more than the typical rumors or slander because it sefardi.

Noya is/was under rabbanut mehadrin. If they said beis yosef, they meant the shechita not the supervision. It may have changed but not to my knowledge.
Hmmmmm.....
Actually it has TOP Kashrus supervision.
May I ask who "The Rabbanim you know" is reffering to...
Title: Re: Re: Israel Master Thread: Things To Do, Places To Eat
Post by: moish on April 21, 2013, 08:17:06 AM
Hmmmmm.....
Actually it has TOP Kashrus supervision.
May I ask who "The Rabbanim you know" is reffering to...
negiyus???  ;)
Title: Re: Re: Israel Master Thread: Things To Do, Places To Eat
Post by: moish on April 21, 2013, 08:17:50 AM
Theres also a place called " hakerem"- Milchig,  Mehadrin Netanya
Awesome food! on the Tayelet so its overlooking the water.
is this place approved by the ou?
Title: Re: Re: Israel Master Thread: Things To Do, Places To Eat
Post by: shimino1 on April 21, 2013, 08:21:57 AM
is this place approved by the ou?
In isreal we dont usually go by the ou.
Title: Re: Re: Israel Master Thread: Things To Do, Places To Eat
Post by: Chaikel on April 21, 2013, 08:22:49 AM
thats ridiculous, as so is machpud, yet has a much better reputation
+1
Most of the very frum/yeshivish sefardim I know stay away from BBY
Title: Re: Re: Israel Master Thread: Things To Do, Places To Eat
Post by: moish on April 21, 2013, 08:23:19 AM
In isreal we dont usually go by the ou.
we as in...

usually not but sometimes yes? whats the determining factor?
Title: Re: Re: Israel Master Thread: Things To Do, Places To Eat
Post by: yuneeq on April 21, 2013, 08:24:18 AM
I'm referring to the shechita nowadays (and always) which isn't considered too highly by many rabbonim. You can argue but I don't plan to start getting into a name throwing fight. And I wouldnt call any organization that had HORRIBLE supervision just a couple years ago as TOP supervision. They replaced their head of kashrus for a reason...Rav Kuber also stopped running it for a reason...But I won't stop you from munching on your TOP hechsherim. 
Title: Re: Re: Israel Master Thread: Things To Do, Places To Eat
Post by: ashers on April 21, 2013, 08:24:55 AM
In isreal we dont usually go by the ou.
we as in...
+ 1
Title: Re: Re: Israel Master Thread: Things To Do, Places To Eat
Post by: moish on April 21, 2013, 08:25:09 AM
+1
Most of the very frum/yeshivish sefardim I know stay away from BBY
im actually not passing judgement on BBY, just stating that its ridiculous to blame its bad rap on the fact that its sefardi
Title: Re: Re: Israel Master Thread: Things To Do, Places To Eat
Post by: Chaikel on April 21, 2013, 08:27:01 AM
im actually not passing judgement on BBY, just stating that its ridiculous to blame its bad rap on the fact that its sefardi
I was +1ing, and adding my own .02
Title: Re: Re: Israel Master Thread: Things To Do, Places To Eat
Post by: moish on April 21, 2013, 08:28:29 AM
I was +1ing, and adding my own .02
thanks for clearing that up   :)
Title: Re: Re: Israel Master Thread: Things To Do, Places To Eat
Post by: yuneeq on April 21, 2013, 08:31:54 AM
+1
Most of the very yeshivish sefardim I know stay away from BBY

FTFY. The American yeshivish sefardim hanging around the ashkenazim are more likely not to eat it. However, about regular Israeli sefardim youre completely wrong.

Again I haven't heard one substantiated story oagainst BBY and I'm still waiting....
Title: Re: Re: Israel Master Thread: Things To Do, Places To Eat
Post by: yuneeq on April 21, 2013, 08:34:48 AM
im actually not passing judgement on BBY, just stating that its ridiculous to blame its bad rap on the fact that its sefardi

If it wasn't sefardi it would be treated in a completely different manner. Ask your rabbonim why you can't eat it, and please relay the answers. BTW, IMO Machpoud, especially recently, can't be regarded as a top hechsher. BBY would actually rate higher.
Title: Re: Re: Israel Master Thread: Things To Do, Places To Eat
Post by: shimino1 on April 21, 2013, 09:00:49 AM
We as in israeli born charedim who grew up here and know the hacsherim here.
we might trust ou for imported american products but not necessarily for israeli restaurants.
bby is not regarded as a good hecsher for meat, for chicken it might be.
Title: Re: Re: Israel Master Thread: Things To Do, Places To Eat
Post by: Saver2000 on April 21, 2013, 09:01:57 AM
We as in israeli born charedim who grew up here and know the hacsherim here.
we might trust ou for imported american products but not necessarily for israeli restaurants.
bby is not regarded as a good hecsher for meat, for chicken it might be.
Please post in the kashrus thread.
No need to take this thread OT.
Title: Re: Re: Israel Master Thread: Things To Do, Places To Eat
Post by: shimino1 on April 21, 2013, 09:03:28 AM
If it wasn't sefardi it would be treated in a completely different manner. Ask your rabbonim why you can't eat it, and please relay the answers. BTW, IMO Machpoud, especially recently, can't be regarded as a top hechsher. BBY would actually rate higher.
MY rabbi is also my dad who dosent know a thing about politics. we dont eat bby on meat becuse he holds it isnt good.
Title: Re: Re: Israel Master Thread: Things To Do, Places To Eat
Post by: shimino1 on April 21, 2013, 09:04:23 AM
Please post in the kashrus thread.
No need to take this thread OT.
youre right i guss we got a little off topic.
Title: Re: Re: Israel Master Thread: Things To Do, Places To Eat
Post by: yuneeq on April 21, 2013, 09:04:55 AM
Please post in the kashrus thread.
No need to take this thread OT.

In all fairness, its been OT waaaay before his post.
Title: Re: Re: Israel Master Thread: Things To Do, Places To Eat
Post by: shimino1 on April 21, 2013, 09:09:20 AM
In all fairness, its been OT waaaay before his post.
+1
are u sefardi?
Title: Re: Re: Israel Master Thread: Things To Do, Places To Eat
Post by: Saver2000 on April 21, 2013, 09:16:16 AM
In all fairness, its been OT waaaay before his post.
You're right, I shouldn't have quoted his post.
Title: Re: Re: Israel Master Thread: Things To Do, Places To Eat
Post by: moish on April 21, 2013, 09:17:19 AM
we might trust ou for imported american products but not necessarily for israeli restaurants.

how current is his information that hes not trusting ou israel?
Title: Re: Re: Israel Master Thread: Things To Do, Places To Eat
Post by: shimino1 on April 21, 2013, 09:21:47 AM
how current is his information that hes not trusting ou israel?
current. the ppl i asked didint know it well enough to approve it.
Title: Re: Re: Israel Master Thread: Things To Do, Places To Eat
Post by: moish on April 21, 2013, 09:24:11 AM
current. the ppl i asked didint know it well enough to approve it.
lol. thats not called current. thats called 'doesnt know'
Title: Re: Re: Israel Master Thread: Things To Do, Places To Eat
Post by: Let3 on April 21, 2013, 09:25:46 AM
Like ppl keep saying though- most hechsherim in il depend on mashgiach/restaurant..
And most ppl I spoke to do eat in papaguya for some reason.. Never got streight answer why though
Or who they asked..
Title: Re: Re: Israel Master Thread: Things To Do, Places To Eat
Post by: yuneeq on April 21, 2013, 09:49:58 AM
Like ppl keep saying though- most hechsherim in il depend on mashgiach/restaurant..
And most ppl I spoke to do eat in papaguya for some reason.. Never got streight answer why though
Or who they asked..

As they say, to each their own, as long as they're consulting their LOR.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: jj1000 on April 21, 2013, 11:30:03 AM
Can someone please add to the wiki where I.can find a comprehensive list of reliable kosher symbols.  If possible even copy paste them into the wiki? TIA!
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on April 21, 2013, 01:51:35 PM
Can someone please add to the wiki where I.can find a comprehensive list of reliable kosher symbols.  If possible even copy paste them into the wiki? TIA!

You're basically inviting me to start a never ending wiki war, even if I wouldn't add BBY to the list
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: henche on April 21, 2013, 01:54:18 PM
You're basically inviting me to start a never ending wiki war, even if I wouldn't add BBY to the list

lol yah. Just post links to CRC, to kosherquest, and a few others, and let anyone add more links to lists.

Edit: done.
Title: Re: Re: Israel Master Thread: Things To Do, Places To Eat
Post by: yuneeq on April 21, 2013, 01:56:53 PM
we need you to be our mashgiach checker, and to rate them all

Not gonna happen. Everyone has different standards, mine are more machmir in most cases. Also I'm not in Israel anymore so my kashrus knowledge should be out of date by next Tuesday ;)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Drago on April 21, 2013, 04:19:03 PM
Not gonna happen. Everyone has different standards, mine are more machmir in most cases. Also I'm not in Israel anymore so my kashrus knowledge should be out of date by next Tuesday ;)
Planning on returning?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: DP7 on April 21, 2013, 04:24:09 PM
Anyone know anything about the IKC ( International Kosher Council)?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: springles on April 23, 2013, 11:08:37 PM
Anyone know anything about KOA: http://koakosher.com/who.htm
Title: Anybody know if this is kosher?(Macallan Marmalade)
Post by: yehudah on April 24, 2013, 06:39:33 PM
http://www.amazon.com/Mackays-Breakfast-Marmalade-Macallan-12-Ounce/dp/B006DRNPBA/ref=sr_1_1?s=grocery&ie=UTF8&qid=1366842888&sr=1-1&keywords=macallans

anybody ever try it?
looks interesting
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Drago on April 25, 2013, 07:37:53 AM
Here's a channel 10 investigation into the Beit Yosef hechsher. I haven't watched yet.
It discusses how it's used to give ppl jobs, etc.
http://lifeinisrael.blogspot.co.il/2013/04/investigative-report-into-beit-yosef.html
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on April 25, 2013, 07:43:17 AM
Here's a channel 10 investigation into the Beit Yosef hechsher. I haven't watched yet.
It discusses how it's used to give ppl jobs, etc.
http://lifeinisrael.blogspot.co.il/2013/04/investigative-report-into-beit-yosef.html


I didn't watch it either, but it would surprise me if any of the hechsherim are different in this aspect. Almost all hechsherim jobs nowadays are basically given to those with "protekzia" .
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Drago on April 25, 2013, 07:57:58 AM


I didn't watch it either, but it would surprise me if any of the hechsherim are different in this aspect. Almost all hechsherim jobs nowadays are basically given to those with "protekzia" .
and whom are also talmidei chachamim and trustworthy?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on April 25, 2013, 08:20:03 AM
and whom are also talmidei chachamim and trustworthy?

I'll be innocent and assume that all hechsherim hire only talmidei chachomim. Would they hire others before them in a meritocracy? It is my belief so in many cases. In regards to trustworthiness, the term is more subjective. Therefore I wouldn't be quick to accuse anyone of hiring untrustworthy workers.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: springles on April 25, 2013, 01:04:04 PM
Anyone know anything about KOA: http://koakosher.com/who.htm
anyone?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Ergel on April 25, 2013, 01:51:40 PM
FWIW it's not on crc's app
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Ergel on April 25, 2013, 01:54:43 PM
Not sure what bring a talmid chacham has so much to do with being a mashgiach.
I think the two most important factors are
1. Trustworthy
2. Meticulous

Mashgiach doesn't make policy, just follows rules of hechsher
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Dan on April 25, 2013, 02:29:05 PM
FWIW it's not on crc's app
Anyone want to email them and ask their opinion?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: A3 on April 25, 2013, 02:46:44 PM
Anyone want to email them and ask their opinion?


Sent. Will reply when they answer
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on April 25, 2013, 03:19:44 PM
Not sure what bring a talmid chacham has so much to do with being a mashgiach.
I think the two most important factors are
1. Trustworthy
2. Meticulous

Mashgiach doesn't make policy, just follows rules of hechsher

True. A low-level mashgiach doesn't necessarily need to be a talmid chacham. Doesn't even have to be a yeshiva guy. But IME, there is a very high amount of talmidei chachamim/yeshiva guys available to hire that a hechsher would not be thinking in the consumers best interests if they don't hire either. (Of course, I'm assuming that with a big selection they will be able to find one that will fit their needs).
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: A3 on April 25, 2013, 03:37:37 PM

Sent. Will reply when they answer




That hechsher is recommended on a product by product basis. Contact the crc office for more details.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Dan on April 25, 2013, 03:40:54 PM
That hechsher is recommended on a product by product basis. Contact the crc office for more details.
Lol, ask for more details :)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: A3 on April 25, 2013, 03:44:57 PM
Lol, ask for more details :)

They will prob want to know what the product is and who the manufacturer is.
Through another kashrut organization I had a similar question about a product with a KVH which I was told is also a product by product situation.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: springles on April 26, 2013, 12:43:09 AM



That hechsher is recommended on a product by product basis. Contact the crc office for more details.
can you post your email and their response?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: A3 on April 26, 2013, 07:29:16 AM
can you post your email and their response?

I asked them straight up if the KOA was recommended. And sent them a link to KOAs website.
That was their response. That for some products yes, some no, contact their office and they will be glad to help you out.

They prob just want to know what product it is, and/or they will give you instructions on how to figure it out.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Ebaystores on May 08, 2013, 09:46:13 PM
As someone who used to be in Hashgacha I will try to translate: Case by case basis can mean any of the following:

A) We have yet to find a case that it is unapproved but we are keeping our options open

B) we have yet to find a case that is approved but don't want to get sued or harassed

C) we have valid reason for case by case e.g. we know the Rov Hamachshir is knowledgeable, so if its in a service area where he is visiting himself (near where he lives) we trust him, however if its across the country from him and hes outsourcing we don't necessarily trust the people he outsources to. Or maybe they are trusted for certain things but maybe not flavoring companies since that is more complex etc....

As far as the K.O.A. IMHO it would be more a case of the middle one
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: DovtheBear on May 11, 2013, 11:31:37 PM
Is there a "Is This Kosher Thread"?
Well, is this (http://www.staples.com/Nestle-Instant-Hot-Cocoa-Mix-Rich-Chocolate-71-oz-70-Packets-Box/product-nr_177919) Kosher?
It's also a good price.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Drago on June 04, 2013, 02:09:17 PM
Interesting...
http://lifeinisrael.blogspot.co.il/2013/06/rav-verner-lowers-status-of-slaughtered.html
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: chaimmayer on June 04, 2013, 05:22:53 PM
Does anyone know about the reliability of vaad hakashrus of metrowest in nj
And Reuben’s Glatt Spot in particular?
Thank you
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Galitzyaner on June 09, 2013, 05:21:28 PM
Anyone know anything about this hechsher?  Reliability is the next question.
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/06/10/rabeqevy.jpg)
TIA
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on June 09, 2013, 11:18:41 PM
Anyone know anything about this hechsher?  Reliability is the next question.
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/06/10/rabeqevy.jpg)
TIA
That's the Shield K out of Detroit. Supposedly R' Ezra Goldman is trying to fix it up and bring it up to the national kashrus agencies standards. An OU mashgiach who reviewed 2 of their factories, told me that one was  okay and one "not so good". He said that the OU would accept their products on a case by case basis.

Metropolitan Kashruth Council of Michigan
2000 Town Center #1490, Southfield, MI 48075
248-353-2343, Fax: 248-365-8950
Rabbi Ezra N. Goldman, Administrator
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Galitzyaner on June 10, 2013, 04:08:54 PM
That's the Shield K out of Detroit. Supposedly R' Ezra Goldman is trying to fix it up and bring it up to the national kashrus agencies standards. An OU mashgiach who reviewed 2 of their factories, told me that one was  okay and one "not so good". He said that the OU would accept their products on a case by case basis.

Metropolitan Kashruth Council of Michigan
2000 Town Center #1490, Southfield, MI 48075
248-353-2343, Fax: 248-365-8950
Rabbi Ezra N. Goldman, Administrator
Thank you very much!

So, I asked the cRc, and here is their response:

"Thank you for your question.

That certification does not meet the high standards of the cRc and, therefore Is NOT recommend.

You may be able to find answers to your kashrus questions 24/6, go to http://www.askcrc.org/

All the best!"
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on July 03, 2013, 10:44:53 AM
is http://taliassteakhouse.com/hashgacha/
acceptable for a yeshivishe person?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: robi on July 03, 2013, 10:47:19 AM
is http://taliassteakhouse.com/hashgacha/
acceptable for a yeshivishe person?
is said yeshivishe person also frum, or just Yeshivish?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on July 03, 2013, 10:49:57 AM
is said yeshivishe person also frum, or just Yeshivish?
nu seriously. very frum but uses internet with a goyishe filter.
 The hechsher is not on the crc or ou list...
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: A European on July 03, 2013, 11:03:27 AM
is http://taliassteakhouse.com/hashgacha/
acceptable for a yeshivishe person?
Why do you ask about the restaurant ask about the HECHSHER
"Mehadrin Kashrus, is issued by Rabbi Avrohom Marmorstein"
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on July 03, 2013, 11:35:30 AM
Why do you ask about the restaurant ask about the HECHSHER
"Mehadrin Kashrus, is issued by Rabbi Avrohom Marmorstein"
right, tell me about rabbi Marmorstein please
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: A European on July 03, 2013, 11:39:00 AM
More info about HECHSHER and quality of service.
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=7877.0
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Chaikel on July 03, 2013, 03:51:43 PM
Never heard of him, but I'm always skeptical when the selling point is Semicha in BMG.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on July 03, 2013, 04:34:19 PM
Never heard of him, but I'm always skeptical when the selling point is Semicha in BMG.
lol
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: HP58 on July 09, 2013, 01:17:35 PM
A/o know a/t about Kehila Kashrus? (Its on the A&H hot dogs they sell in Costco.)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: robi on July 09, 2013, 01:23:38 PM
Anyone know the kashrus status of Stella Artois cidre?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on July 10, 2013, 11:54:12 PM
right, tell me about rabbi Marmorstein please

Don't know him, but I know some of his kids. Nice, yeshivish, they learn in mir and lakewood, and would fit the look of a high standard hechsher. But about him, I have no clue.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: robi on July 11, 2013, 01:34:02 AM
Don't know him, but I know some of his kids. Nice, yeshivish, they learn in mir and lakewood, and would fit the look of a high standard hechsher. But about him, I have no clue.
welcome back!
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: semper fi on July 11, 2013, 05:53:23 AM
Don't know him, but I know some of his kids. Nice, yeshivish, they learn in mir and lakewood, and would fit the look of a high standard hechsher. But about him, I have no clue.
We missed you!!
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: adam0619 on July 11, 2013, 02:26:51 PM
Does anyone know if the cupcakes sold at Baked By Melissa stores are the ones shipped directly from the main kitchen?  According to their website, the products are certified kosher if shipped, but not in the stores.  The kitchen is certified OK kosher, but the stores are not because they are open 7 days/week.  I'm curious if any cupcakes are baked on premises, or if they are simply shipped from the main kitchen to the store and sold. TIA.

http://www.bakedbymelissa.com/checkout/faq.aspx?categoryId=2&IsQU=1
Q: Is Baked by Melissa Kosher certified?
A: All of our products are baked in a central dairy Kosher certified kitchen, and are distributed to our store locations daily. While our kitchen is certified by OK Kosher, our store locations are not since we are open seven days/week. According to OK Kosher’s level of certification, re-handling our products on non-kosher premises breaks the Kosher seal.

Kosher Orders for pick up and delivery within Manhattan must be placed over the phone with our Customer Happiness Team (212-842-0220) at least 3 days in advance. Shipping Orders are always Kosher since we ship directly from our certified kitchen.

If you are in need of a last minute Kosher Order for pick up or delivery within Manhattan, give our Customer Happiness Team a call (212-842-0220). We keep a limited supply of Kosher products on hand at all of our store locations.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Marco Polo on July 11, 2013, 02:28:43 PM
Does anyone know if the cupcakes sold at Baked By Melissa stores are the ones shipped directly from the main kitchen?  According to their website, the products are certified kosher if shipped, but not in the stores.  The kitchen is certified OK kosher, but the stores are not because they are open 7 days/week.  I'm curious if any cupcakes are baked on premises, or if they are simply shipped from the main kitchen to the store and sold. TIA.

http://www.bakedbymelissa.com/checkout/faq.aspx?categoryId=2&IsQU=1
Q: Is Baked by Melissa Kosher certified?
A: All of our products are baked in a central dairy Kosher certified kitchen, and are distributed to our store locations daily. While our kitchen is certified by OK Kosher, our store locations are not since we are open seven days/week. According to OK Kosher’s level of certification, re-handling our products on non-kosher premises breaks the Kosher seal.

Kosher Orders for pick up and delivery within Manhattan must be placed over the phone with our Customer Happiness Team (212-842-0220) at least 3 days in advance. Shipping Orders are always Kosher since we ship directly from our certified kitchen.

If you are in need of a last minute Kosher Order for pick up or delivery within Manhattan, give our Customer Happiness Team a call (212-842-0220). We keep a limited supply of Kosher products on hand at all of our store locations.
Can't you just ask the store for some of the kosher cupcakes they should have in store?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: adam0619 on July 11, 2013, 02:30:47 PM
Can't you just ask the store for some of the kosher cupcakes they should have in store?

Yes, but they have a limited number of those.  I'm curious about the others if those are gone.  Basically, I want to know the difference between the ones that are certified kosher in the stores and the ones that are not.  My guess is the certified kosher cupcakes are sealed and remain sealed, while the others are placed on display and open, yet all are baked and come from the same location.  But, that's my guess. 
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Marco Polo on July 11, 2013, 02:32:11 PM
Yes, but they have a limited number of those.  I'm curious about the others if those are gone.  Basically, I want to know the difference between the ones that are certified kosher in the stores and the ones that are not.  My guess is the certified kosher cupcakes are sealed and remain sealed, while the others are placed on display and open, yet all are baked and come from the same location.  But, that's my guess.
Maybe their customer happiness team ca answer that.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: adam0619 on July 11, 2013, 02:34:45 PM
Maybe their customer happiness team ca answer that.

Yea, I'm sure they can.  But this is one of those rare instances where I have access to a computer but no phone at the moment (it's been a sad day in the world of personal electronics), and figured I'd try here first.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on July 11, 2013, 04:08:00 PM
welcome back!

We missed you!!

Thanks guys! ;)

I never left though, just been busy and have limited internet access these days... ::)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Ergel on July 14, 2013, 11:34:50 AM
Anyone know about bagels n co? Rav neiman?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 14, 2013, 11:45:45 AM
Anyone know about bagels n co? Rav neiman?
That's the one on 79th and Broadway? I eat there but I know many people in the UWS don't.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Drago on July 21, 2013, 06:13:47 AM
Is the Aurbach hechsher in Israel from R. Shmuel in Jerusalem, or is it s/o else?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moish on July 21, 2013, 06:39:02 AM
Is the Aurbach hechsher in Israel from R. Shmuel in Jerusalem, or is it s/o else?
someone else
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: A3 on July 21, 2013, 07:09:00 AM
Is the Aurbach hechsher in Israel from R. Shmuel in Jerusalem, or is it s/o else?


I think his brother from Tiveria
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Drago on July 21, 2013, 07:17:48 AM

I think his brother from Tiveria
Same level of charifnuss?
(yes, i just made up a word)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: how on July 21, 2013, 07:25:20 AM
Is the Aurbach hechsher in Israel from R. Shmuel in Jerusalem, or is it s/o else?
Its his brother R Avroham Aurbach
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: mgarfin on July 22, 2013, 06:31:32 PM
My father is going to Israel in 2 weeks and asked my for info on these places


1..

בואו אלינו עם המשפחה לחגוג בר-מצוות, שבתות חתן, בריתות, ועוד.
אפשר לערוך במקום גם ימי עיון וכנסים.

בית ההארחה "לינה כפרית אלוני הבשן" מותאם ועונה גם לדרישות של כל מגזרי הציבור הדתי והחרדי. ניתוקו ממרכז עירוני ומיקומו בתוך מושב דתי, מאפשרים לנופשים ליהנות משקט ורגיעה למבוגרים ולילדים כאחד.

הקפדה על כשרות מהודרת בכל ימות השנה, שמה את לינה כפרית אלוני הבשן בין אתרי האירוח המובילים ברמת הכשרות בארץ ומאפשרת לאורחנו, המקפידים בענייני כשרות, ארוח במהלך כל השנה ללא כל חשש.

הכשרות אצלנו היא בחזקת "מהדרין" בהשגחת רב היישוב הרב אברהם שר שלום. כל המוצרים הם בהכשר מהדרין: עוף בהכשר הרב אוירבעך מטבריה (ולפי דרישה גם של הרב רובין), בקר חלק "בית יוסף", ירקות עלים "גוש קטיף" ומוצרי חלב מהדרין של תנובה ירושלים.


2...


Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 22, 2013, 06:53:10 PM
Same level of charifnuss?
(yes, i just made up a word)
Nobody eats it
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 22, 2013, 06:54:10 PM
My father is going to Israel in 2 weeks and asked my for info on these places


1..

בואו אלינו עם המשפחה לחגוג בר-מצוות, שבתות חתן, בריתות, ועוד.
אפשר לערוך במקום גם ימי עיון וכנסים.

בית ההארחה "לינה כפרית אלוני הבשן" מותאם ועונה גם לדרישות של כל מגזרי הציבור הדתי והחרדי. ניתוקו ממרכז עירוני ומיקומו בתוך מושב דתי, מאפשרים לנופשים ליהנות משקט ורגיעה למבוגרים ולילדים כאחד.

הקפדה על כשרות מהודרת בכל ימות השנה, שמה את לינה כפרית אלוני הבשן בין אתרי האירוח המובילים ברמת הכשרות בארץ ומאפשרת לאורחנו, המקפידים בענייני כשרות, ארוח במהלך כל השנה ללא כל חשש.

הכשרות אצלנו היא בחזקת "מהדרין" בהשגחת רב היישוב הרב אברהם שר שלום. כל המוצרים הם בהכשר מהדרין: עוף בהכשר הרב אוירבעך מטבריה (ולפי דרישה גם של הרב רובין), בקר חלק "בית יוסף", ירקות עלים "גוש קטיף" ומוצרי חלב מהדרין של תנובה ירושלים.


2...
I wouldn't eat there.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moish on July 22, 2013, 10:17:34 PM
I wouldn't eat there.
what happened to eid echad neeman ?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 22, 2013, 10:19:55 PM
what happened to eid echad neeman ?
I didn't say it's assur, I  said I wouldn't eat there.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on July 22, 2013, 10:24:16 PM
what happened to eid echad neeman ?
do you eat every hashgacha?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moish on July 22, 2013, 10:32:36 PM
do you eat every hashgacha?
i do not
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on July 22, 2013, 10:35:16 PM
i do not
what happened to eid echad neeman ?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moish on July 22, 2013, 10:38:13 PM
it was a specific question to PG
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: mgarfin on July 23, 2013, 01:19:39 PM
I wouldn't eat there.

Where 1 or 2
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: MEIR613 on July 28, 2013, 11:57:51 PM
Any one heard of the Vaad of South shore.

Is it reliable?

Kind of an emergency.

Thanks.

Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on July 29, 2013, 06:53:05 AM
What's with vaad hakashrus of greater Philly?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on July 29, 2013, 07:30:12 AM
What's with vaad hakashrus of greater Philly?
http://www.keystone-k.info
acceptable by cRc and OU
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: hocker on August 01, 2013, 05:56:26 AM
Nobody eats it
Nobody eats Rav Auerbach's hechsher?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on August 01, 2013, 07:28:14 AM
Nobody eats Rav Auerbach's hechsher?
Figuratively speaking
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: itsyehuda on August 05, 2013, 12:45:11 AM
What bout IKC International Kosher Council? He's on a lot of places in Philadelphia.

His FAQ on the website indicates that he might give hashgacha to places that are open on Shabbos.

He seems to supervise some vegetarian Chinese places that are open 7 days a week. I guess he feels they don't need a mashgiach?

Does anybody know the story with this guy one way or another?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on August 05, 2013, 07:26:20 AM
What bout IKC International Kosher Council? He's on a lot of places in Philadelphia.

His FAQ on the website indicates that he might give hashgacha to places that are open on Shabbos.

He seems to supervise some vegetarian Chinese places that are open 7 days a week. I guess he feels they don't need a mashgiach?

Does anybody know the story with this guy one way or another?
the cRc in Chicago also gives hashgacha to place(s) open on shabbos. (DD) the mashgiach does go in on shabbos fwiu
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: mochada on August 05, 2013, 08:51:04 AM
the cRc in Chicago also gives hashgacha to place(s) open on shabbos. (DD) the mashgiach does go in on shabbos fwiu

As well as the AKC (Atlana Kashrus).  Both which are well-known and reliable hashgachas.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on August 05, 2013, 10:01:40 AM
What bout IKC International Kosher Council? He's on a lot of places in Philadelphia.

His FAQ on the website indicates that he might give hashgacha to places that are open on Shabbos.

He seems to supervise some vegetarian Chinese places that are open 7 days a week. I guess he feels they don't need a mashgiach?

Does anybody know the story with this guy one way or another?

Usually the biggest problem with certifying a restaurant that's open on Shabbos is when the owner is Jewish. As others have posted, the Mashgiach is able to visit during Shabbos too.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: itsyehuda on August 05, 2013, 02:11:21 PM
Usually the biggest problem with certifying a restaurant that's open on Shabbos is when the owner is Jewish. As others have posted, the Mashgiach is able to visit during Shabbos too.

"Q: What if we are open on the Sabbath?
A: If you are not Jewish, this is no problem whatsoever. Even if you are Jewish, although we want every Jew to observe the Sabbath, there are some options available."
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: HP58 on August 05, 2013, 02:36:06 PM
"Q: What if we are open on the Sabbath?
A: If you are not Jewish, this is no problem whatsoever. Even if you are Jewish, although we want every Jew to observe the Sabbath, there are some options available."
Who are you quoting?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: itsyehuda on August 05, 2013, 02:51:29 PM
Who are you quoting?

Sorry - That's from IKC's FAQ on their website.

http://www.ikckosher.com/FAQs.html (http://www.ikckosher.com/FAQs.html)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: hocker on August 07, 2013, 12:09:05 PM
"Q: What if we are open on the Sabbath?
A: If you are not Jewish, this is no problem whatsoever. Even if you are Jewish, although we want every Jew to observe the Sabbath, there are some options available."
I don't what those options are but I think it's inappropriate to give a Hashgacha on a Jewish establishment open Shabbos.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: itsyehuda on August 07, 2013, 12:46:33 PM
I don't what those options are but I think it's inappropriate to give a Hashgacha on a Jewish establishment open Shabbos.

It's not looking good. My rabbi said it's worthless, and another hashgacha I called said they don't use them.

I am hoping someone will vouch for this guy because he's on a couple of good establishments in Philadelphia. With him ruled out the options are not as tantalizing.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: how on August 07, 2013, 01:23:14 PM
It's not looking good. My rabbi said it's worthless, and another hashgacha I called said they don't use them.

I am hoping someone will vouch for this guy because he's on a couple of good establishments in Philadelphia. With him ruled out the options are not as tantalizing.
if your rabbi said it worthless then why dont you just switch to a more tantalizing rabbi? ???
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: 12HRS on August 07, 2013, 01:25:28 PM
if your rabbi said it worthless then why dont you just switch to a more tantalizing rabbi? ???

Rabbanit?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: how on August 07, 2013, 01:31:13 PM
I don't what those options are but I think it's inappropriate to give a Hashgacha on a Jewish establishment open Shabbos.
Thats why there are no mehadrin food store in Ben Gurion airport.

But technically when your trying to certify kosher food where do you draw the line? If the waitress are dressed inappropriate is that a hashgacha issue? If the place is a hangout, has bad music, is that a reason to pull the hechsher? Unless the place is making chometz on pesach the food is technically kosher even if they are open on shabbos. So unless there are better options available some out of town Hashgachos feel its better to have kosher food available to the general public then to be machmir on other principles.

The shomer shabbos customers on the other hand should definitely be looking for shomer shabbos establishments with tznius waiterss etc to buy their food.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: how on August 07, 2013, 01:32:49 PM
the cRc in Chicago also gives hashgacha to place(s) open on shabbos. (DD) the mashgiach does go in on shabbos fwiu
IIRC they also give  a hechsher to chometz baked on pesach by non jewish bakery's, I think they might even send in the mashgiach on pesach.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: how on August 07, 2013, 01:34:00 PM
Rabbanit?
LOL but really whats the point of your LOR if your just going to look elsewhere if you dont like what he says
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: mochada on August 07, 2013, 01:34:57 PM
IIRC they also give  a hechsher to chometz baked on pesach by non jewish bakery's, I think they might even send in the mashgiach on pesach.

So do many of the international kashrus orgs.  The mashgiach can easily do a random check.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: itsyehuda on August 07, 2013, 03:10:43 PM
LOL but really whats the point of your LOR if your just going to look elsewhere if you dont like what he says

I would bring the information back to him for discussion.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on August 07, 2013, 03:57:03 PM
IIRC they also give  a hechsher to chometz baked on pesach by non jewish bakery's, I think they might even send in the mashgiach on pesach.
And what's wrong with that?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: how on August 07, 2013, 03:57:50 PM
nothing
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: how on August 07, 2013, 03:59:35 PM
I would bring the information back to him for discussion.
that's different
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on August 07, 2013, 10:48:41 PM
IIRC they also give  a hechsher to chometz baked on pesach by non jewish bakery's, I think they might even send in the mashgiach on pesach.
just curious. Is that a surprise to u? Did u think the ou kashers all nabisco, hershey etc. factories after every pesach? After all if they didn't give hashgacha the plant could do what ever they wanted.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: how on August 08, 2013, 06:51:51 AM
just curious. Is that a surprise to u? Did u think the ou kashers all nabisco, hershey etc. factories after every pesach? After all if they didn't give hashgacha the plant could do what ever they wanted.
A plant that is not changing the recipe and the hashgacho only show up once in a while anyway is different than a mom and pop bakery that the mashgiach usually stops in once a day
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on August 08, 2013, 07:50:52 AM
A plant that is not changing the recipe and the hashgacho only show up once in a while anyway is different than a mom and pop bakery that the mashgiach usually stops in once a day
1. how do u know they're not changing the recipe, if u don't give hashgacha there? 2.the ou also gives hashgacha to mom and pop plants which change ingredients to save money
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: how on August 08, 2013, 07:55:16 AM
1. how do u know they're not changing the recipe, if u don't give hashgacha there? 2.the ou also gives hashgacha to mom and pop plants which change ingredients to save money
1. ask that question to the ou. they dont send a mashgiach to every plant every day
2. so back to my original comment - yes it was news to me that mashgichim go check out chometz est. on pesach
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on August 08, 2013, 07:56:44 AM
1. ask that question to the ou. they dont send a mashgiach to every plant every day
2. so back to my original comment - yes it was news to me that mashgichim go check out chometz est. on pesach
1. it's called יוצא ונכנס
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: how on August 08, 2013, 07:59:24 AM
exactly! and it does not have to be  exactly נכנס on pesach :)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: hocker on August 08, 2013, 09:28:03 AM
exactly! and it does not have to be  exactly נכנס on pesach :)
If the goy knows you definitely won't come in on Pesach, you would have to actually come.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: itsyehuda on August 08, 2013, 11:07:25 AM
exactly! and it does not have to be  exactly נכנס on pesach :)

Why would you davka avoid going there on Pesach?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on August 08, 2013, 01:53:00 PM
Thats why there are no mehadrin food store in Ben Gurion airport.

But technically when your trying to certify kosher food where do you draw the line? If the waitress are dressed inappropriate is that a hashgacha issue? If the place is a hangout, has bad music, is that a reason to pull the hechsher? Unless the place is making chometz on pesach the food is technically kosher even if they are open on shabbos. So unless there are better options available some out of town Hashgachos feel its better to have kosher food available to the general public then to be machmir on other principles.

The shomer shabbos customers on the other hand should definitely be looking for shomer shabbos establishments with tznius waiterss etc to buy their food.

Actually there are a couple mehadrin restaurants at Ben gurion.
And to the question of where to draw the line with other halachik infractions- some reputable hechsherim may vary from others, but one thing is agreed upon by all: There is a line. No one would give a hecsher to food in a strip club no matter their clientele. I would guess that some of these phony hechsherim would.

In regards to a Jewish store staying open on shabbos, IINM both the food prepared on shabbos and the pots used to cook the food would be assur, whether or not the food was made by a Jew.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: hocker on August 08, 2013, 02:02:13 PM
Why would you davka avoid going there on Pesach?
If the goy assumes that the yid has a holiday and therefore he won't be coming then you lose the Yotze Vnichnas
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: itsyehuda on August 08, 2013, 09:09:16 PM
If the goy assumes that the yid has a holiday and therefore he won't be coming then you lose the Yotze Vnichnas

So you agree with me
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: elikay on August 08, 2013, 11:18:06 PM
the cRc in Chicago also gives hashgacha to place(s) open on shabbos. (DD) the mashgiach does go in on shabbos fwiu
As does the Star-k (college cafeteria) Mashgiach walks in (sometimes?).
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Galitzyaner on August 09, 2013, 01:01:34 AM
Actually there are a couple mehadrin restaurants at Ben gurion.
Can you list them please, once and for all?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on August 09, 2013, 01:19:20 AM
Can you list them please, once and for all?
pizza hut is beis Yosef.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Galitzyaner on August 09, 2013, 01:22:04 AM
pizza hut is beis Yosef.
That's one.  Mehadrin?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on August 09, 2013, 01:24:25 AM
That's one.  Mehadrin?
I think beis Yosef is considered Mehadrin.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on August 09, 2013, 02:24:53 AM
Can you list them please, once and for all?

There's also a meat place under beit yosef and a dairy place across from it that has a reliable hechsher but I don't remember which.

In the future, if your so desperate, you can please use the search feature.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Galitzyaner on August 09, 2013, 02:54:37 AM
There's also a meat place under beit yosef and a dairy place across from it that has a reliable hechsher but I don't remember which.

In the future, if your so desperate, you can please use the search feature.
Hey sir, what makes you think I'm desperate?  Do I sound hungry to you?
Search shmearch, this topic has been rehashed too many a time and I've yet to see here a final answer to put this question to rest.  You seemed so confident that there are a "couple" of them (only 2?), while previously others here have written that there are none(!).
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on August 09, 2013, 03:09:39 AM
Hey sir, what makes you think I'm desperate?  Do I sound hungry to you?
Search shmearch, this topic has been rehashed too many a time and I've yet to see here a final answer to put this question to rest.  You seemed so confident that there are a "couple" of them (only 2?), while previously others here have written that there are none(!).

I've answered the question with the names of the establishments previously, though I do not remember them now.

As to your response to my statement, "once and for all" sounds like you're giving an ultimatum.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on August 09, 2013, 11:57:55 AM
What's Badatz Beit Yosef (Rabbi Yigal Haimoff)?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Menachem613 on August 09, 2013, 12:16:37 PM
I don't what those options are but I think it's inappropriate to give a Hashgacha on a Jewish establishment open Shabbos.

Why?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: hocker on August 09, 2013, 12:28:53 PM
Why?
IMHO, feel free to disagree.

Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: mochada on August 09, 2013, 01:25:17 PM
What's Badatz Beit Yosef (Rabbi Yigal Haimoff)?

He's a Bucharian Rav, formerly was in charge of the BRC hechsher.  I have asked mutliple Bucharians and they all say most frum Bucharians will not eat of his hechsher buy you should ask your LOR. Rumor has it there was some politics with the Queen Vaad which I am not sure what they were...
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Galitzyaner on August 09, 2013, 02:33:26 PM
He's a Bucharian Rav, formerly was in charge of the BRC hechsher.  I have asked mutliple Bucharians and they all say most frum Bucharians will not eat of his hechsher buy you should ask your LOR. Rumor has it there was some politics with the Queen Vaad which I am not sure what they were...
Details are widely available online.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moish on August 13, 2013, 02:17:54 PM
From JKN:

Arguably, if a hashgacha gets a black eye, its name compromised publically for one reason or another, it will be faced with a dilemma. While the kosher consumer is generally quite ignorant, for as long as s/he hears nothing negative about the trusted kosher seal s/he relies upon, s/he can continue eating at a certain restaurant or buying a certain product without a tinge of concern. If neighbors and others rely upon it, then we simply rely upon “everyone eats there” and that is without a doubt the best supervision one can find.

Any supervising agency that is responsible for many stores and products will at one time or another fall victim to failure for it is not a perfect world and the unscrupulous people out there that lack Yiras Hashem (Fear of Heaven) will cut corners or simply defy a hashgacha’s regulations in the interest of making more money. Learning that a restaurant was caught engaged in a serious kashrus violation is what the hashgacha is about. The questions are (1) what was done to prevent this from occurring and (2) what is done once the forbidden practice came to the hashgacha’s attention.

Please, don’t insult with the “days ago when people were more pious everyone trusted everyone and this hashgacha business didn’t exist.”

Well my good friend, that was a very very long time ago and today’s mega kosher food industry dictates new realities. The history of kashrus in the United States is plagued with fraud, and hile you can deny this it is a fact of life. Not everyone sporting a yarmulke in Israel is honest and that is why Shulchan Aruch and the leading rabbis of the generation guide us as how to act. Kashrus is not an area of our observance that was intended to be left to self definition and one must learn and work towards defining one’s ‘Kashrus Comfort Zone’ to determine which hashgachas are commensurate with one religious lifestyle.

In the days when I used to lecture all too often I heard “all this kashrus is nothing but business and politics”. To this I respond “Anyone who believes there is not a measure of business and politics in the game is a fool and one who believes that is all there exists is even a bigger fool!”

That is my point. Yes, the hashgacha agencies in Eretz Yisrael are not what one might exactly call “transparent” and they can be as rude as your local Egged driver stuck in rush hour traffic, but at the end of the day, without them, where would be?

I can make a good argument for and against many of the realities that are part of today’s kashrus system, but for now, let’s at least agree to accept them for they are reality and we can look at changing the reality someday in the future.

I cannot stress enough the need for kosher consumer activism in Israel. The lack of understanding and willingness to question and challenge a hashgacha has bred the very system that many of us today look at with disdain. It is not too late to effect change, but doing so comes with a price – and it means you may not continue blindly sitting and eating in any and every place with a teudat kashrut.

I dare say that if you bought your weekly produce at a health food store paying a handsome fee per kilogram for organic produce – only to learn you were duped, learning you were buying regular produce and were overcharged you would do a quick about face and never set foot into the store again. Oddly, when it comes to kashrus, our souls and not pocketbooks, we do not seem to be a stringent and we are willing to permit bygones to be bygones. If you do not receive the level of kosher that was implied or expressly promised it seems to have less of an impact than the example with the organic veggies. While we demand a certificate of authenticity for many items that we buy to protect ourselves, we are willing to take the word of too many store owners and operators when it comes to kashrus, this despite the fact that rabbis in the know instruct us to do otherwise. Many of the people telling us “Don’t worry” are clueless to kashrus and Halacha.

For me, I can only reiterate that you must place all your hashkafic and political bias aside and begin getting educated towards becoming an empowered kosher consumer. I am pained to see how many people who appear outwardly religious buying and eating in places that do not even claim to have any kosher certification. Don’t let yourself off the hook so easily and believe that everything is about chumros (stringencies) for in too many cases, it is about simply being kosher or not – and if you think there is a lack of non-certified and non-kosher places in Jerusalem, you are sorely mistaken. There are at least four stores with Hebrew signs in the Machane Yehuda and Ben-Yehuda areas that sell pork products. There are many stores that are open Shabbos and sell and prepare non-kosher and kosher foods, including coffee shops. If you dare to ask “its only dairy – what can be wrong” then you are in desperate need of basic classes in Kashrus 101!

You should be nothing less than insulted when you are told “don’t worry, it’s badatz”. Can you please tell me what hashgacha that is? Do you have a clue? Do you care? If the answer to the last question is yes, then it is time to find a rabbi, shiurim and books on the topic of kashrus.

Rosh Hashanah is rapidly approaching and in addition to all the holiday delicacies that will line our table, we might want to also make that extra effort to make sure that our family and guest’s souls get no less of a holiday treat than their palate.

Yechiel Spira
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on August 13, 2013, 03:15:42 PM
Quote
In the days when I used to lecture all too often I heard “all this kashrus is nothing but business and politics”. To this I respond “Anyone who believes there is not a measure of business and politics in the game is a fool and one who believes that is all there exists is even a bigger fool!”

+1,000

Quote
You should be nothing less than insulted when you are told “don’t worry, it’s badatz”. Can you please tell me what hashgacha that is?

Badatz Hamas?
Rabbanut Ramallah? :P
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: DovtheBear on August 13, 2013, 03:19:57 PM
Does anyone know the status of the Shield-K Hechsher?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Galitzyaner on August 13, 2013, 04:28:30 PM
Does anyone know the status of the Shield-K Hechsher?
Do you mean Star-shield K (K in a star in a shield)?  If yes, cRc: Not Recommended.

Rabbi= "Rabbi Alan Ira Silver" - That's enough information for me ;)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: sky121 on August 13, 2013, 04:44:35 PM
Maybe he means shield k without a star. Rabbi Goldman?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on August 13, 2013, 08:00:37 PM
Does anyone know the status of the Shield-K Hechsher?
there's a shield k out of Detroit - not recommended, and there's a shield k out of Minnesota (which is really UMK- upper Midwest kashrus, R' zeilengold- found on Ferrara Pan) recommended
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: DovtheBear on August 13, 2013, 08:25:52 PM
Do you mean Star-shield K (K in a star in a shield)?  If yes, cRc: Not Recommended.

Rabbi= "Rabbi Alan Ira Silver" - That's enough information for me ;)
No. I'm asking about Shield-K.
Maybe he means shield k without a star.
That
there's a shield k out of Detroit - not recommended, and there's a shield k out of Minnesota (which is really UMK- upper Midwest kashrus, R' zeilengold- found on Ferrara Pan) recommended
The one found on Ferrara pan, Jawbreakers, Atomic Fire Balls etc.
So its good?

ETA: This one (https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTQ3p0XH5kOrXCPweSrXXBnaquBRaMlkZxeOa5BiMmDXtc2LwhG4A)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: wierdal832 on August 14, 2013, 03:16:50 PM
Any1 know if this is good?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: damaxer91 on August 14, 2013, 03:24:35 PM
Any1 know if this is good?

If u ate at Kavod in Paris its def good enough :)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: wierdal832 on August 14, 2013, 08:14:39 PM
If u ate at Kavod in Paris its def good enough :)
your a good man
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on August 19, 2013, 09:21:03 AM
All you Israelis should be fuming that the Jerusalem Rabbinate is adding yet another level of kashrus, this time something between mehadrin and regular, aka "mehuderet". As if the kashrus situation in Jerusalem isn't complicated enough...
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Drago on August 19, 2013, 10:00:32 AM
All you Israelis should be fuming that the Jerusalem Rabbinate is adding yet another level of kashrus, this time something between mehadrin and regular, aka "mehuderet". As if the kashrus situation in Jerusalem isn't complicated enough...
I'm too busy fuming over the prisoner release.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Galitzyaner on August 19, 2013, 11:08:08 AM
Some are still busy fuming that there is a state altogether ;D .
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Dan on August 19, 2013, 01:19:44 PM
All you Israelis should be fuming that the Jerusalem Rabbinate is adding yet another level of kashrus, this time something between mehadrin and regular, aka "mehuderet". As if the kashrus situation in Jerusalem isn't complicated enough...
You've got to be kidding me.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Chaikel on August 19, 2013, 02:58:45 PM
You've got to be kidding me.
Reminds me of

Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: smurf on August 19, 2013, 04:02:40 PM
(http://items.ferrarausa.com/pic_item/12584_item_pic.jpg)
Who's hechsher s that? Is it UMK? United Mehadrin Kosher?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on August 19, 2013, 07:20:51 PM
(http://items.ferrarausa.com/pic_item/12584_item_pic.jpg)
Who's hechsher s that? Is it UMK? United Mehadrin Kosher?
just a few post up
there's a shield k out of Detroit - not recommended, and there's a shield k out of Minnesota (which is really UMK- upper Midwest kashrus, R' zeilengold- found on Ferrara Pan) recommended
No. I'm asking about Shield-K.That The one found on Ferrara pan, Jawbreakers, Atomic Fire Balls etc.
So its good?

ETA: This one (https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTQ3p0XH5kOrXCPweSrXXBnaquBRaMlkZxeOa5BiMmDXtc2LwhG4A)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: sky121 on August 19, 2013, 07:29:27 PM
That looks more like a lasso than a shield. Is it somewhere from Texas?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on August 19, 2013, 07:42:24 PM
That looks more like a lasso than a shield. Is it somewhere from Texas?
GIYF  (http://www.umkosher.com/)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Galitzyaner on August 20, 2013, 01:19:01 AM
GIYF  (http://www.umkosher.com/)
Rabbi Zelingold is a Chossid and Y'rei Shmoyaim, from what I hear.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: mochada on August 28, 2013, 12:26:20 PM
Anyone ever heard of this hashgacha? Reliable?
http://lebusbakery.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/LeBus-Kosher-Certificate.pdf
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: itsyehuda on August 28, 2013, 03:47:22 PM

Anyone ever heard of this hashgacha? Reliable?
http://lebusbakery.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/LeBus-Kosher-Certificate.pdf

Zev Schwarcz is the same guy from IKC.

I'm told no.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: mochada on August 28, 2013, 04:02:49 PM
Zev Schwarcz is the same guy from IKC.

I'm told no.

How many names can one unreliable hashgacha go under?!
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: judahk88 on September 04, 2013, 05:46:09 PM
Anyone hear of Rabbi Aaron D. Melman? Is the hechsher ok? TIA
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Chaikel on September 07, 2013, 02:50:53 PM
Anyone hear of Rabbi Aaron D. Melman? Is the hechsher ok? TIA
Can of worms. It's "Mehlman" so search the forums for posts. But in short most rabbis outside of Manhattan will tell you to stay away
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moish on September 07, 2013, 07:29:20 PM
Can of worms. It's "Mehlman" so search the forums for posts. But in short most rabbis outside of Manhattan will tell you to stay away
what about rabbis in manhattan?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Chaikel on September 08, 2013, 03:48:53 AM
what about rabbis in manhattan?
I've been told they say it's ok, but don't take my word for it. I was just trying to give the most PC answer
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moish on September 08, 2013, 04:10:40 AM
does "they" include r' marmorstein?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Chaikel on September 08, 2013, 04:13:45 AM
does "they" include r' marmorstein?
I don't remember details, other than a DDF member coming to me with taynos that it is a reliable hechsher
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: itsyehuda on September 10, 2013, 02:38:17 PM
Anyone hear of Rabbi Aaron D. Melman? Is the hechsher ok? TIA

He's the original Hashgacha for "Jezebel", under his hashgacha they served non-mevushal wine in that restaurant. That is particularly problematic, imagine serving non mevushal wine to a table of jews and non jews together. If the non jew would pour himself a glass, the bottle would become unkosher. The restaurant subsequently dropped Mehlman, and got OU, after changing the name to "J Soho".

He also gives the certification on the Dunkin Donuts in the Brooklyn area, which Chof-K had previously revoked due to employees using the microwaves for unkosher personal food.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: judahk88 on September 10, 2013, 03:23:03 PM
Can of worms. It's "Mehlman" so search the forums for posts. But in short most rabbis outside of Manhattan will tell you to stay away
He's the original Hashgacha for "Jezebel", under his hashgacha they served non-mevushal wine in that restaurant. That is particularly problematic, imagine serving non mevushal wine to a table of jews and non jews together. If the non jew would pour himself a glass, the bottle would become unkosher. The restaurant subsequently dropped Mehlman, and got OU, after changing the name to "J Soho".

He also gives the certification on the Dunkin Donuts in the Brooklyn area, which Chof-K had previously revoked due to employees using the microwaves for unkosher personal food.
Thank You. I'll look into it more.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Galitzyaner on September 10, 2013, 11:46:11 PM
He's the original Hashgacha for "Jezebel", under his hashgacha they served non-mevushal wine in that restaurant. That is particularly problematic, imagine serving non mevushal wine to a table of jews and non jews together. If the non jew would pour himself a glass, the bottle would become unkosher. The restaurant subsequently dropped Mehlman, and got OU, after changing the name to "J Soho".

He also gives the certification on the Dunkin Donuts in the Brooklyn area, which Chof-K had previously revoked due to employees using the microwaves for unkosher personal food.
Thanks for the info, very much appreciated!
I don't remember details, other than a DDF member coming to me with taynos that it is a reliable hechsher
:D ;D
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: puddles on October 01, 2013, 11:35:29 AM
I need to order food for a meeting thats taking place in NYC. I need someone that will preferably deliver and has a Hechsher that a Satmar Chasid will eat (eg CRC). Is there anyone on here that might be able to help with this? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 02, 2013, 10:16:03 AM
Does a walk in closet need a mezuza?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on October 02, 2013, 10:18:36 AM
Does a walk in closet need a mezuza?

Not if it's smaller than 4x4.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Dan on October 02, 2013, 10:18:47 AM
Depends on the size.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 02, 2013, 10:20:24 AM
Sorry confused this with the halacha thread.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Achas Veachas on October 02, 2013, 07:51:51 PM
Does the Va'ad of Five towns certify places that serve Cholov Stam?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 02, 2013, 07:59:49 PM
IIRC Yes
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Ergel on October 02, 2013, 08:25:27 PM
Does the Va'ad of Five towns certify places that serve Cholov Stam?
Yes (DD for one)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 17, 2013, 10:09:24 AM
Anyone have info on the Vaad of Metrowest: http://www.metrowestvaad.org/ and the restaraunt http://fumiogrillandsushi.net/
this rabbi is a co president of the vaad: https://www.facebook.com/rabbi.m.solomon
TIA
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: smee123 on October 21, 2013, 08:49:15 AM
Does anyone know of a kosher "hard cider"?
CRC has this -Hardcore - Hard Apple Cider, but i dont see anyone who sells it.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: robi on October 21, 2013, 09:20:23 AM
Does anyone know of a kosher "hard cider"?
CRC has this -Hardcore - Hard Apple Cider, but i dont see anyone who sells it.
I believe red hard cider has a hechsher
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: itsyehuda on October 21, 2013, 11:07:18 AM
Does anyone know of a kosher "hard cider"?
CRC has this -Hardcore - Hard Apple Cider, but i dont see anyone who sells it.

Angry Orchard had a Star-K.

Not sure if they still do.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: robi on October 21, 2013, 12:38:27 PM
Angry Orchard had a Star-K.

Not sure if they still do.
they no longer do
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: smee123 on October 21, 2013, 02:10:21 PM
I believe red hard cider has a hechsher
Thanks, Do you know where i can find it?
And the CRC says Angry Orchard isn't good.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Galitzyaner on October 28, 2013, 12:20:23 AM
Please excuse my unfamiliarity, but how reliable is the Manchester Beth Din?

TIA

(http://www.riversidearomatics.com/images/manchester%20beth%20din%20logo.gif)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Ergel on October 28, 2013, 12:39:30 AM
Please excuse my unfamiliarity, but how reliable is the Manchester Beth Din?

TIA

(http://www.riversidearomatics.com/images/manchester%20beth%20din%20logo.gif)
Very.
It's a charedi hashgacha which is widely accepted
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on November 05, 2013, 10:25:18 AM
Very.
It's a charedi hashgacha which is widely accepted
+1
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on November 05, 2013, 10:27:48 AM
What's the deal with Preferred Plus childrens Acetaminophen and Ibuprofen?
All the Lakewood Pharmacies sell it, but when you ask them "is it kosher"? the answers vary from "I dont think so" to "I think so".
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Drago on December 15, 2013, 02:37:37 AM
How do I know which countries sell kosher coke? (soft drink, not drug)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: raphy781 on December 15, 2013, 07:06:37 AM
How do I know which countries sell kosher coke? (soft drink, not drug)
IINM it's kosher everywhere.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Ergel on December 15, 2013, 08:35:54 AM
IINM it's kosher everywhere.
A quick Google search shows that you are
http://www.bhol.co.il/article_en.aspx?id=55206
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Achas Veachas on December 15, 2013, 09:57:40 AM
A quick Google search shows that you are
http://www.bhol.co.il/article_en.aspx?id=55206

The comments there belong in the CTLMS thread :D
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: how on December 15, 2013, 10:44:22 AM
IINM it's kosher everywhere.
According to Rav Landau and the OU your wrong.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Drago on December 15, 2013, 10:54:57 AM
According to Rav Landau and the OU your wrong.
So where is it allowed in the Far East? Chabad in Thailand serves Coke w/ Thai writing on it.
And how about HKG?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: elikay on December 15, 2013, 10:57:44 AM
According to Rav Landau and the OU your wrong.
+1
I called OU and was told likewise
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Ergel on December 15, 2013, 03:50:35 PM
+1
I called OU and was told likewise
Is it allowed anywhere outside NA and Europe?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 23, 2013, 02:05:35 PM
Anyone know if Umbria coffee is kosher?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: JustaHocker on December 23, 2013, 02:21:51 PM
Plain unflavored does not need certification
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: rufieg3 on December 28, 2013, 11:43:21 PM
Anyone have info on PEZ candies? Know if they have kosher pez in the factory store in ct?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: jack12 on December 29, 2013, 08:33:44 AM
Anyone have info on PEZ candies? Know if they have kosher pez in the factory store in ct?
Went to the factory store over Sukkos. They had a bin of kosher ones at the front desk. They gave us a voucher with the admission to buy candy/dispensers and they let us exchange anything which we bought for kosher ones.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Wizperfict on December 29, 2013, 11:45:19 PM
A one know the status of fourloko energy drink?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: hocker on December 30, 2013, 01:14:03 PM
So where is it allowed in the Far East? Chabad in Thailand serves Coke w/ Thai writing on it.
And how about HKG?
IT seems it's Kosher everywhere but they don't want to take responsibility.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Drago on December 30, 2013, 01:35:15 PM
IT seems it's Kosher everywhere but they don't want to take responsibility.
The Sri Lanka chabad website says their Coke is kosher in their list.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: elikay on January 04, 2014, 10:52:55 PM
Is it allowed anywhere outside NA and Europe?
I called specifically about Italy so I don't know.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: jack12 on January 08, 2014, 09:18:02 AM
Not sure where to post this or if it would be helpful to anyone traveling...

The Conference of European Rabbis, one of the first European organizations
just published a comprehensive list of Kosher products all over Europe.
https://creator.zoho.com/kanermichael/ke-list/#View:KE_View

JTA wrote:
the Conference of European Rabbis has published what it says is the first
comprehensive list of all kosher products certified by European kashrut
authorities. The items are searchable by country, brand name, food type and
kashrut authority.

“This online resource is a fantastic example of how modern technology can
be used to make religious life a little easier,” Rabbi Pinchas Goldschmidt,
president of the Conference of European Rabbis, said in a statement. “The
project comes following a huge amount of hard work over recent months, and
we will of course continue to update and improve it.”
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moish on January 08, 2014, 10:14:02 AM
thats one long list
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: good sam on January 08, 2014, 12:42:36 PM
London Bais Din?  Assuming this is good but wanted to confirm.  Anyone know?

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61hn%2BwhRyBL._SL1500_.jpg)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: itsyehuda on January 14, 2014, 03:19:06 PM
London Bais Din?  Assuming this is good but wanted to confirm.  Anyone know?

It's generally accepted as Kosher.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Drago on January 15, 2014, 06:26:17 AM
http://beitshammai.blogspot.co.il/2014/01/shammai-engelmayer-uncensored.html

Anyone know if his glatt explanations and history are correct?

Yuneeq?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: henche on January 15, 2014, 09:25:05 AM
http://beitshammai.blogspot.co.il/2014/01/shammai-engelmayer-uncensored.html

Anyone know if his glatt explanations and history are correct?

Yuneeq?

He's being an idiot. Most consumers have the slightest clue what glatt means, and think it yiddish for "very". He just wants to make fun of people, so he pretends this is a reason.

You think the beis yosef only allowed 5% of cows? Really?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Drago on January 15, 2014, 09:40:18 AM
He's being an idiot. Most consumers have the slightest clue what glatt means, and think it yiddish for "very". He just wants to make fun of people, so he pretends this is a reason.

You think the beis yosef only allowed 5% of cows? Really?
I have no clue.
Are we eating glatt according to how it's defined by the S"A, or are we taking kulas b/c of supply/demand?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Ergel on January 15, 2014, 10:16:13 AM
I have no clue.
Are we eating glatt according to how it's defined by the S"A, or are we taking kulas b/c of supply/demand?
We are definitely not eating glatt as defined by the B"Y. That's what beis yosef shchita is. Minhag Ashkenazim has never been to be machmir for all those chumras.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Dan on January 19, 2014, 08:26:43 PM
https://www.facebook.com/groups/dansdeals/permalink/10152155889536041/?comment_id=10152155937696041&offset=0&total_comments=9
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Galitzyaner on January 19, 2014, 08:30:03 PM
https://www.facebook.com/groups/dansdeals/permalink/10152155889536041/?comment_id=10152155937696041&offset=0&total_comments=9
BS
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moish on January 20, 2014, 06:59:17 PM
https://www.facebook.com/groups/dansdeals/permalink/10152155889536041/?comment_id=10152155937696041&offset=0&total_comments=9
its absolutely ridiculous, i wonder which yeshiva he went to
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: rufieg3 on January 20, 2014, 11:39:09 PM
everyones got an opinion lol
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: joeberg on January 29, 2014, 01:09:43 AM
I have a wedding and possibly Shabbos Sheva Brochus in Belz Yerushalayim. What is the story with their Hechsher/Shchita?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: efflpetzel on January 29, 2014, 01:13:51 AM
I have a wedding and possibly Shabbos Sheva Brochus in Belz Yerushalayim. What is the story with their Hechsher/Shchita?
Its top notch, even Ben & Jerry's trust them :P
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: ChAiM'l on January 29, 2014, 07:42:21 AM
Is whiskey kosher or not? (http://www.col.org.il/show_news.rtx?artID=16622)
Title: Re: Israel Master Thread: Things To Do, Places To Eat
Post by: DBK on January 29, 2014, 04:55:10 PM
+100

Heard from multiple sources that it's one step short (if that much) of treif.
Its not just mehadrin vs rabbanut issue?
Title: Re: Re: Israel Master Thread: Things To Do, Places To Eat
Post by: Moishebatchy on January 29, 2014, 08:43:38 PM
Its not just mehadrin vs rabbanut issue?

1) No.*

2) Even if yes, this is something you foreigners have got to learn: regular Rabbanut is not "just another hechsher, except not as amazing"; it is almost completely worthless for anything more complicated than a cup of coffee (unless, of course, you personally research the establishment and/or ascertain from other sources that the mashgiach can be trusted, etc.) But just walking into a restaurant and seeing a certificate with some aleph-bais on it doesn't automagically make the place kosher. For meat especially, most people do not rely on regular Rabbanut, as they rely on certain kulos in the shechitah process that would make your head spin.

*Side note: there was a story going around about some guys who asked the owner of Dex what the hashgacha was. His response was "if you care enough to actually ask that question, then this place is probably not for you."
Title: Re: Re: Israel Master Thread: Things To Do, Places To Eat
Post by: DBK on January 29, 2014, 08:59:46 PM
1) No.*

2) Even if yes, this is something you foreigners have got to learn: regular Rabbanut is not "just another hechsher, except not as amazing"; it is almost completely worthless for anything more complicated than a cup of coffee (unless, of course, you personally research the establishment and/or ascertain from other sources that the mashgiach can be trusted, etc.) But just walking into a restaurant and seeing a certificate with some aleph-bais on it doesn't automagically make the place kosher. For meat especially, most people do not rely on regular Rabbanut, as they rely on certain kulos in the shechitah process that would make your head spin.

*Side note: there was a story going around about some guys who asked the owner of Dex what the hashgacha was. His response was "if you care enough to actually ask that question, then this place is probably not for you."
Very interesting. As I remember learning the halacha during my years in yeshiva in Israel it was that essentially Rabbanut and Mehadrin were all good because in Israel there is no concept of Glatt Kosher as there is in America. And that there was never an issue with dairy but with meat its a question whether it was salted and frozen before being shipped to Israel or if it was salted after the fact upon arrival. But feel free to CMIIW.
Thanks for the info I will definitely take into consideration in the future.
Title: Re: Re: Israel Master Thread: Things To Do, Places To Eat
Post by: moish on January 30, 2014, 06:10:05 PM
Very interesting. As I remember learning the halacha during my years in yeshiva in Israel it was that essentially Rabbanut and Mehadrin were all good because in Israel there is no concept of Glatt Kosher as there is in America. And that there was never an issue with dairy but with meat its a question whether it was salted and frozen before being shipped to Israel or if it was salted after the fact upon arrival. But feel free to CMIIW.
Thanks for the info I will definitely take into consideration in the future.
who taught you these 'halachos?'

this is the most preposterous thing ive heard in a while
Title: Re: Re: Israel Master Thread: Things To Do, Places To Eat
Post by: Emkay on January 30, 2014, 06:16:31 PM
Very interesting. As I remember learning the halacha during my years in yeshiva in Israel it was that essentially Rabbanut and Mehadrin were all good because in Israel there is no concept of Glatt Kosher as there is in America. And that there was never an issue with dairy but with meat its a question whether it was salted and frozen before being shipped to Israel or if it was salted after the fact upon arrival. But feel free to CMIIW.
Thanks for the info I will definitely take into consideration in the future.
wth!!!
Title: Re: Re: Israel Master Thread: Things To Do, Places To Eat
Post by: Dr Moose on January 30, 2014, 06:20:08 PM
Very interesting. As I remember learning the halacha during my years in yeshiva in Israel it was that essentially Rabbanut and Mehadrin were all good because in Israel there is no concept of Glatt Kosher as there is in America. And that there was never an issue with dairy but with meat its a question whether it was salted and frozen before being shipped to Israel or if it was salted after the fact upon arrival. But feel free to CMIIW.
Thanks for the info I will definitely take into consideration in the future.
you are wrong
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: itsyehuda on January 30, 2014, 07:31:14 PM
Is whiskey kosher or not? (http://www.col.org.il/show_news.rtx?artID=16622)

This is very poorly reasoned, and also fallacious. Certainly the bit where he claims that it is forbidden according to all opinions in the world.

There are many Rabbonim that specifically permit whisky from sherry casks. Including one Rabbi Moshe Feinstein.

Title: Re: Re: Israel Master Thread: Things To Do, Places To Eat
Post by: DBK on January 30, 2014, 09:09:44 PM
you are wrong
which part?
Title: Re: Re: Israel Master Thread: Things To Do, Places To Eat
Post by: Emkay on January 30, 2014, 10:26:45 PM
which part?
pretty much all
Title: Re: Re: Israel Master Thread: Things To Do, Places To Eat
Post by: DBK on January 30, 2014, 10:44:33 PM
pretty much all
:-[
Title: Re: Re: Israel Master Thread: Things To Do, Places To Eat
Post by: moish on January 31, 2014, 06:40:35 AM
which part?
let's just say i think you heard a purim joke
Title: Re: Re: Israel Master Thread: Things To Do, Places To Eat
Post by: DBK on January 31, 2014, 06:55:22 AM
let's just say i think you heard a purim joke
Ok lets go with that
Title: Re: Re: Israel Master Thread: Things To Do, Places To Eat
Post by: Chaikel on February 01, 2014, 05:59:07 PM
Ok lets go with that
Which yeshiva?
Virtually any dayan in the rabbanute will tell you that a frum person should not be eating rabbanute. In fact I'm in the process of setting up a meeting with a dayan for a friend who is trying to figure out what kashrus he should follow in this country.

Rabbanute was established in order that traditional, and non-religious jews should have easy access to food that isn't outright treif. Many chareidi Rabbis were vehemently against this as they thought it would cause confusion among frum people who were actually trying to keep kosher. Turns out they were right
Title: Re: Re: Israel Master Thread: Things To Do, Places To Eat
Post by: DBK on February 01, 2014, 06:43:19 PM
Which yeshiva?
Virtually any dayan in the rabbanute will tell you that a frum person should not be eating rabbanute. In fact I'm in the process of setting up a meeting with a dayan for a friend who is trying to figure out what kashrus he should follow in this country.

Rabbanute was established in order that traditional, and non-religious jews should have easy access to food that isn't outright treif. Many chareidi Rabbis were vehemently against this as they thought it would cause confusion among frum people who were actually trying to keep kosher. Turns out they were right
No disrespect meant. I was told differently I would rather not get into which yeshiva for the sake of avoiding any gossip or rumors about it. I do know that I spoke to competent halachic authorities and while perhaps I did not accurately present their opinions. I would prefer not to state anything about the places I went to. But if you have any good suggestions for Mehadrin places to eat I will be happy to follow up and try them out.
Title: Re: Re: Israel Master Thread: Things To Do, Places To Eat
Post by: moish on February 02, 2014, 08:32:24 AM
I do know that I spoke to competent halachic authorities
i beg to differ
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Drago on February 02, 2014, 12:58:52 PM
Added in a list into the Wiki, but I have no idea how to shorten the URL.
Title: Re: Re: Israel Master Thread: Things To Do, Places To Eat
Post by: DBK on February 02, 2014, 01:15:06 PM
i beg to differ
Your entitled to your opinion, Rabbi.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moish on February 02, 2014, 05:15:05 PM
Your entitled to your opinion, Rabbi.
im no rabbi and its not my opinion; its what we call fact
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: DBK on February 02, 2014, 05:42:46 PM
im no rabbi and its not my opinion; its what we call fact
Since you have no idea which rabbinic authorities I have spoken to I would not call that fact. Again I may have poorly represented the opinion but that is not indicative of the halachic authority. It would do you well to look up the definitions of the words fact and opinion so you can have a better understanding of how to differentiate the terms that "we call fact".
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: DovtheBear on February 02, 2014, 05:57:14 PM
Added in a list into the Wiki, but I have no idea how to shorten the URL.
I'm on Tapatalk: http://tinyurl.com/ltbyugw
Please also note that it's an automatic 165 page download.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moish on February 02, 2014, 06:54:44 PM
Since you have no idea which rabbinic authorities I have spoken to I would not call that fact. Again I may have poorly represented the opinion but that is not indicative of the halachic authority. It would do you well to look up the definitions of the words fact and opinion so you can have a better understanding of how to differentiate the terms that "we call fact".
it's like saying you know of a highly regarded scientist who claims the earth is flat.

i would then tell you that your 'highly regarded' scientist is no scientist at all. that wouldnt merely be my opinion. i hope you understand.

and with that i will end my part in this discussion.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: DBK on February 02, 2014, 07:10:24 PM
it's like saying you know of a highly regarded scientist who claims the earth is flat.

i would then tell you that your 'highly regarded' scientist is no scientist at all. that wouldnt merely be my opinion. i hope you understand.

and with that i will end my part in this discussion.
Yes that is correct. However unless there is a section of Yoreh Deah that I am not aware of that specifically states what I said was blatantly false it is a poor metaphor.
Halacha is filled with opinions and differences in interpretation of the nuances of halacha.There was no claim that eating a bacon cheeseburger was permissible i.e., your earth lying flat when it is round metaphor. 
All the best to you.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moish on February 03, 2014, 03:57:16 AM
Yes that is correct. However unless there is a section of Yoreh Deah that I am not aware of that specifically states what I said was blatantly false it is a poor metaphor.
Halacha is filled with opinions and differences in interpretation of the nuances of halacha.There was no claim that eating a bacon cheeseburger was permissible i.e., your earth lying flat when it is round metaphor. 
All the best to you.
sorry for the misunderstanding

this was not a halachic question, but rather a question of the facts. you claimed something above in the difference between rabbanut and rabbanut mehadrin. that distinction was factually incorrect.

there are 3 options here:
1. you are pulling our leg
2. you heard it on purim
3. this is the scariest option, you heard it from someone who you thought was halachically competent

if number 3 is correct, i am telling you, and this is not merely an opinion, that someone who guides people based on his/her hallucinations is clearly not qualified to render any sort of psak. anything this supposed "competent halachic authority" told you should now be suspect in your mind.
im saying this for your own benefit, since you will not reveal who this person is.
i hope i cleared it up for you.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 03, 2014, 04:32:09 AM
I would assume said Rabbi simply meant Rabbanut is closer to Glatt than the likes of Hebrew National in the US.

I think everyone agrees the Rabbanut uses kulas that classic American hashgachos don't rely on, and in any case it's not an halachic question so much as a factual question.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Drago on February 03, 2014, 09:00:40 AM
More kashrus changes in Israel.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/bennett-promises-revolution-in-kosher-regulations/

Hopefully, the extra mashgichim will come to pass and it'll help matters.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: DBK on February 03, 2014, 11:38:51 AM
I would assume said Rabbi simply meant Rabbanut is closer to Glatt than the likes of Hebrew National in the US.

Could be.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: DBK on February 03, 2014, 11:39:12 AM
sorry for the misunderstanding

this was not a halachic question, but rather a question of the facts. you claimed something above in the difference between rabbanut and rabbanut mehadrin. that distinction was factually incorrect.

there are 3 options here:
1. you are pulling our leg
2. you heard it on purim
3. this is the scariest option, you heard it from someone who you thought was halachically competent


if number 3 is correct, i am telling you, and this is not merely an opinion, that someone who guides people based on his/her hallucinations is clearly not qualified to render any sort of psak. anything this supposed "competent halachic authority" told you should now be suspect in your mind.
im saying this for your own benefit, since you will not reveal who this person is.
i hope i cleared it up for you.

http://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/2332/mehadrin-vs-non-mehadrin
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Chaikel on February 03, 2014, 03:01:50 PM
http://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/2332/mehadrin-vs-non-mehadrin
Basar shenisalem isn't a chumra, and the meat is no longer kosher
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on February 03, 2014, 03:24:53 PM
I would assume said Rabbi simply meant Rabbanut is closer to Glatt than the likes of Hebrew National in the US.


Could be.
Even in that regard, IIRC, he may be wrong other than for meat. IIRC there is a rule that a rabbanut must accept as kosher anything certified by any other rabbanut. This would mean that no rabbanut is better than the worst one. I think there are some which are even run by Reform.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Drago on February 03, 2014, 04:36:00 PM
I think there are some which are even run by Reform.
I'd be shocked if there were, but let us know what you find.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Chaikel on February 03, 2014, 04:36:40 PM
I'd be shocked if there were, but let us know what you find.
+1
Sounds like a yeshivish rumor
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: DBK on February 03, 2014, 05:41:37 PM

+1
Sounds like a yeshivish rumor
+1. Totally.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: A European on February 13, 2014, 11:14:20 AM
Anyone know this hechsher?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: bluiemonster1 on February 13, 2014, 11:15:58 AM
what country?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: bluiemonster1 on February 13, 2014, 11:16:18 AM
never mind I assume Germany...
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Achas Veachas on February 13, 2014, 11:20:01 AM
never mind I assume Germany...
Why? All arrows seem to point towards France?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: bluiemonster1 on February 13, 2014, 11:21:38 AM
Why? All arrows seem to point towards France?
true i was thinking that but he is "located in germany"
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Achas Veachas on February 13, 2014, 11:22:50 AM
true i was thinking that but he is "located in germany"
::) He was asking about the Hechsher.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: A European on February 13, 2014, 11:38:30 AM
what country?


never mind I assume Germany...


Why? All arrows seem to point towards France?


true i was thinking that but he is "located in germany"

:P

Air Berlin

DUS-JFK
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: A European on February 13, 2014, 11:38:45 AM
::) He was asking about the Hechsher.
+1
BUMP
:-X
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: itsyehuda on February 13, 2014, 11:41:34 AM
Where are all of our Frenchmen?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: rufieg3 on March 05, 2014, 11:41:48 PM
anyone know about eating dried vegetables from mexico? theres nothing else in the package, just the vegetables, but they are dried.

can u direct me to the proper source?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Ergel on March 05, 2014, 11:44:38 PM
anyone know about eating dried vegetables from mexico? theres nothing else in the package, just the vegetables, but they are dried.

can u direct me to the proper source?
CRC kosher app.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: rufieg3 on March 06, 2014, 12:10:58 AM
CRC kosher app.

got it.thx
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 08, 2014, 08:47:46 PM
What's the story with pizza store in Elizabeth Nj?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: DBK on March 09, 2014, 09:34:47 PM

What's the story with pizza store in Elizabeth Nj?
Great place. Big fan.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 09, 2014, 09:54:16 PM
Great place. Big fan.
how's the kashrus. Is it cholov Yisroel?
Never saw a Jew behind the counter...

Is rabbi teitz a recommended hashkacha by the mainstream kashrus organizations?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: DBK on March 09, 2014, 10:34:50 PM

how's the kashrus. Is it cholov Yisroel?
Never saw a Jew behind the counter...

Is rabbi teitz a recommended hashkacha by the mainstream kashrus organizations?
The kashrus is excellent. They have cholov yisroel options IIRC. Rav Teitz is definitely accepted and recommended. He's the main posek of the town and is widely accepted.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Crusty Kale on April 03, 2014, 06:53:29 PM
Anyone know the scoop on the korc hechsher
Found it on sushi rice
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: DK23 on April 04, 2014, 10:51:34 AM
Anyone know anything about 1792 Ridgemont Reserve Bourbon?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 04, 2014, 11:00:11 AM
Anyone know the scoop on the korc hechsher
Found it on sushi rice
Does sushi rice have anything added to it? If not then it likely does not need a hechsher at all.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Drago on May 08, 2014, 04:17:20 AM
Anyone familiar w/ this Badatz hechsher in Toronto?

http://www.totpi.com/2014/05/07/canada-politics-kashrut/
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: dealfinder85 on May 09, 2014, 02:40:44 PM
Anyone familiar w/ this Badatz hechsher in Toronto?

http://www.totpi.com/2014/05/07/canada-politics-kashrut/
CRC says its fine
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moish on May 10, 2014, 05:53:51 PM
CRC says its fine
link?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: harry on June 09, 2014, 03:43:42 AM
anyone know when glenfiddich 12 started to be a problem? supposedly its now sherry casks and some kashrus agencies have taken it off the list.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: joey123 on July 18, 2014, 10:30:58 AM
I bought Mike's Pink lemonade last week, and when I got home didn't find a Hasgacha. I googled the drink, and saw that there are no non-kosher ingredients; however, there is no explicit hechser. Does anyone know anything about this?

It looks really good.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: MC on July 18, 2014, 10:33:25 AM
According to this (http://www.crcweb.org/beverage_list.php), it's not. Anyone who knows otherwise, feel free to chime in.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: joey123 on July 18, 2014, 10:35:39 AM
According to this (http://www.crcweb.org/beverage_list.php), it's not. Anyone who knows otherwise, feel free to chime in.

I just read that.

Here is a quote from their website: "Although mike's® products do not contain any inherently non-kosher ingredients such as animal derivatives or grape juice, they are not certified as kosher."
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Emkay on July 18, 2014, 10:51:02 AM
I bought Mike's Pink lemonade last week, and when I got home didn't find a Hasgacha. I googled the drink, and saw that there are no non-kosher ingredients; however, there is no explicit hechser. Does anyone know anything about this?

It looks really good.
I also really wanted to try it at one point but I could not find someone to explicitly tell me I can.
 If you want something similiar, try twisted tea, its also very good
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: joey123 on July 18, 2014, 11:01:41 AM
I also really wanted to try it at one point but I could not find someone to explicitly tell me I can.
 If you want something similiar, try twisted tea, its also very good

Okay. Thanks. I will give it a try this Shabbos.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: menas on July 23, 2014, 09:50:35 PM
Does anyone know if Stella Artois' cidre is kosher?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Shmendy on July 24, 2014, 12:18:52 AM
משגיח הותקף בטורקיה - כל חבריו הוחזרו ארצה
בשל משגיח שהותקף באיסטנבול: 'ועד הכשרות' של ה'עדה החרדית' החליט להחזיר את כל המשגיחים מטורקיה

http://www.bhol.co.il/article.aspx?id=71280

Sorry, I only found this article in Hebrew
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Shmulie on July 24, 2014, 06:16:47 PM
Does anyone know if the knew lemonade flavor slurpee is kosher?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: joey123 on July 24, 2014, 06:23:11 PM
Does anyone know if the knew lemonade flavor slurpee is kosher?

Is it crystal light? See here for list, http://www.crcweb.org/slurpee_list.php , http://www.star-k.org/kashrus/kk-slurpee-spring06.htm
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: voldemort on July 24, 2014, 06:34:16 PM
Does anyone know if the knew lemonade flavor slurpee is kosher?
lakewood 711 has it along with a sign(i think from kcl) saying all the flavors in the store are kosher.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Shmulie on July 24, 2014, 07:15:22 PM
Is it crystal light? See here for list, http://www.crcweb.org/slurpee_list.php , http://www.star-k.org/kashrus/kk-slurpee-spring06.htm
No I dont think so its new i think its an actual 7-11 flavor so its not on the list yet if its kosher
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Shmulie on July 24, 2014, 07:24:44 PM
lakewood 711 has it along with a sign(i think from kcl) saying all the flavors in the store are kosher.
Are you sure its the new one all it says on it is Lemonade if it is, is that realiable?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: voldemort on July 24, 2014, 11:42:53 PM
Are you sure its the new one all it says on it is Lemonade if it is, is that realiable?
yes i am sure its the new one,as far as the signs veracity that's your call,perhaps to the kcl?
it does taste pretty good just fwi
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: DK23 on July 25, 2014, 10:39:58 AM
What is the deal with Absolut flavored if the bottle doesn't carry the OU?  (Absolut Raspberri in my case)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: HP58 on August 06, 2014, 05:33:42 AM
Do any of the food places in TLV Terminal 3 have a decent hechsher? Long story but I'm stuck here a while and I'm starved...
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: sky121 on August 06, 2014, 05:41:41 AM
Is that the main terminal? If so, yes. Aroma does.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on August 16, 2014, 11:02:55 PM
Is Rabbanut of Central Florida good?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: wayfe on August 17, 2014, 11:08:26 AM
I was just at the Union Square Greenmarket and came across "Bread Alone"

They had some prepackaged sliced breads with the Kof-K symbol, but they also had a large selection of unpackaged loaves behind the glass.

This is their certification: http://breadalone.com/sites/default/files/Kosher_Certificate_MGCBY-PXV2T.PDF

Does this mean that the breads listed are Kosher if this paper is displayed, or only the prepackaged loaves?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: tzvicoco on August 31, 2014, 03:52:35 PM
Anybody know about Calbee Snapea Crisps (light salted)? I saw them online but can't get a close-up image to see if they have a hechsher, and a google search wasn't helpful.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: A3 on August 31, 2014, 06:40:57 PM
Does anybody know about the kosher BBQ fest in Conn this coming Sun?

here is the link http://snekosherbbq.org/

Is it under reliable supervision?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: sillypainter on August 31, 2014, 06:45:08 PM
Does anybody know about the kosher BBQ fest in Conn this coming Sun?

here is the link http://snekosherbbq.org/

Is it under reliable supervision?

Looks conservative to me.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: A3 on August 31, 2014, 06:46:07 PM
Looks conservative to me.

The shul it conservative. however the bbq is under the kosher bbq of memphis etc.....
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: E R K on September 01, 2014, 12:30:53 AM
The shul it conservative. however the bbq is under the kosher bbq of memphis etc.....

The hechsher is not under any Memphis hechsher, but sanctioned by the original kosher bbq contest in Memphis. I sent them an email requesting who it's under and I'll try to report back if I get a response.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: A3 on September 01, 2014, 06:48:00 AM
The hechsher is not under any Memphis hechsher, but sanctioned by the original kosher bbq contest in Memphis. I sent them an email requesting who it's under and I'll try to report back if I get a response.
I don't have my hopes up..
Thanks
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: E R K on September 01, 2014, 08:35:44 AM
I don't have my hopes up..
Thanks
Why? If they are under the auspicious of the Memphis BBQ then I think one of the requirements is they be reliably kosher. Just because it's sponsored by a conservative/egalitarian shul shouldn't mean anything. The LI BBQ contest is also held in a conservative shul but is under Kof-K and Mehadrin Kashrus-Rabbi Abraham Marmorstein, Kehal Minchas Chinuh, NYC.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: E R K on September 01, 2014, 10:10:24 AM
Got the response:

Thank you for your email.  The Southern New England Kosher BBQ Championship & Festival is under the strict supervision of the Kof K.  We hope that you will attend and enjoy some fantastic BBQ and great music next Sunday.
If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact us.I have attached one of our posters which includes information regarding the Kof-K.

Sincerely,


Warren
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: A3 on September 01, 2014, 10:23:24 PM
Got the response:

Thank you for your email.  The Southern New England Kosher BBQ Championship & Festival is under the strict supervision of the Kof K.  We hope that you will attend and enjoy some fantastic BBQ and great music next Sunday.
If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact us.I have attached one of our posters which includes information regarding the Kof-K.

Sincerely,


Warren


Awesome.
Thanks for posting.

I plan on going.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: chucksterace on September 01, 2014, 10:28:21 PM


Awesome.
Thanks for posting.

I plan on going.

Umm.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: A3 on September 01, 2014, 10:31:43 PM
Umm.

Did u mean "uch"
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: chucksterace on September 01, 2014, 10:33:19 PM

Did u mean "uch"

Nope. If I did, I would have wrote that
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: A3 on September 01, 2014, 10:35:50 PM
Nope. If I did, I would have wrote that

Ok big shot... So what did u men by umm.....
Title: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: chucksterace on September 01, 2014, 10:36:55 PM
Ok big shot... So what did u men by umm.....


I meant umm, if i would have meant anything else I would have wrote that

Uchh
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: A3 on September 01, 2014, 10:37:25 PM


I meant umm, if i would have meant anything else I would have wrote that


Have a wonderful evening.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: chucksterace on September 01, 2014, 10:38:09 PM


Have a wonderful evening.

You too.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: bubble347 on October 30, 2014, 01:04:37 AM
I've noticed based on many trip reports that I have had the pleasure of reading that many fellow DDFers order cocktails in various lounges as well as on various flights. Can anyone advise as to the reasoning behind why it would be ok to drink these cocktails? Are there only specific ones? TIA
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: sky121 on October 30, 2014, 07:52:08 AM
I've noticed based on many trip reports that I have had the pleasure of reading that many fellow DDFers order cocktails in various lounges as well as on various flights. Can anyone advise as to the reasoning behind why it would be ok to drink these cocktails? Are there only specific ones? TIA
You just have to know what's kosher.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 30, 2014, 12:18:02 PM
Whats the story with alterra flavored coffee's and teas. They say on their web site that they are kosher but I cant find the hechsher?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 30, 2014, 12:18:39 PM
Whats the story with OUD Silk brand soy milk. Is it Dairy or Dairy equipment?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: @Yehuda on November 09, 2014, 05:46:54 PM
Kaf Q from Canton?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Yaalili on November 09, 2014, 05:52:43 PM
Dough that is made out of flour and beer, mezoinois or hamoitzi?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on November 09, 2014, 08:01:19 PM
Dough that is made out of flour and beer, mezoinois or hamoitzi?
According to the peshat that Pas habo bekisnin means bread made with any maskeh other than water it would make it not hamotzie. Just adding spices to the dough can make it not hamotzie.
(There is a question as to whether the lack of water takes away the chashivus of pas) or the fact that the taste of the spices, juice and beer makes it something that is not eaten like regular bread.
ANALOR
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Yaalili on November 09, 2014, 08:29:49 PM
According to the peshat that Pas habo bekisnin means bread made with any maskeh other than water it would make it not hamotzie. Just adding spices to the dough can make it not hamotzie.
(There is a question as to whether the lack of water takes away the chashivus of pas) or the fact that the taste of the spices, juice and beer makes it something that is not eaten like regular bread.
ANALOR


Thanks, LOR ruled it not hamoitzi.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: itsyehuda on November 09, 2014, 11:36:47 PM

Does anyone know if Stella Artois' cidre is kosher?

LBD has it listed as Non Kosher
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: itsyehuda on November 09, 2014, 11:39:34 PM

You just have to know what's kosher.

And make sure you know what's going into the drink in each place. Every bartender can make drinks differently.

Also make sure you know which juice they are using.

Example: ocean Spray  cranberry juice cocktail is kosher, but many other varieties are not kosher and contain grape juice. So definitely make sure you check what they are using.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Chaikel on November 10, 2014, 06:42:50 PM
Dough that is made out of flour and beer, mezoinois or hamoitzi?
No water?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Yaalili on November 10, 2014, 07:48:37 PM
No water?

Right.

Thanks, LOR ruled it not hamoitzi.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: jack12 on November 10, 2014, 10:21:03 PM
Whats the story with OUD Silk brand soy milk. Is it Dairy or Dairy equipment?
I called the OU a few months ago and they said it is DE. They recommend calling every few months to make sure that the formula didn't change or something else which may make it milchig.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on November 10, 2014, 10:43:27 PM
I called the OU a few months ago and they said it is DE. They recommend calling every few months to make sure that the formula didn't change or something else which may make it milchig.
thanks!
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moish on November 11, 2014, 01:54:21 AM
doesnt beer have water?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on November 11, 2014, 09:05:23 AM
doesnt beer have water?
Yes, in fact it is a very high percentage.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Esther on November 11, 2014, 09:46:47 AM
Does anyone know how the Coffee Bean locations in NYC prepare their coffee/wash their dishes? I keep chalav yisrael but will drink coffee from Starbucks made with soy milk. I'm wondering if I can do the same at the Coffee Bean.

On the same note, is there a Rav who's familiar with such questions in the area? Obviously I'd do my own research but this might point me in the right direction.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: bubble347 on November 12, 2014, 02:52:09 AM
Does anyone what soft drinks are kosher in Asia? (Thailand, Japan to be specific)?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: @Yehuda on November 13, 2014, 02:17:31 PM
DE on Snapple? Is this new?

(http://i.imgur.com/s8IT1vG.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moka on November 13, 2014, 02:21:43 PM
DE on Snapple? Is this new?

(http://i.imgur.com/s8IT1vG.jpg?1)
i don't rec ever seeing snapple in a can.
maybe the DE is bec of the bottling equipment?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: @Yehuda on November 13, 2014, 02:51:30 PM
i don't rec ever seeing snapple in a can.
lol that's what my friend said also.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Chaikel on November 13, 2014, 02:54:12 PM
lol that's what my friend said also.
Grasshoppers
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: @Yehuda on November 13, 2014, 02:55:29 PM
Grasshoppers
Yes, I got that.  :P
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: dealfinder85 on December 01, 2014, 08:40:55 AM
KSA from california
RCF from Florida?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: voldemort on December 01, 2014, 11:08:12 AM
KSA from california
RCF from Florida?
I know KSA is good on Smirnoff ice.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Ergel on December 11, 2014, 07:34:32 PM
Does anyone know if Glick's Graham cracker pie crust is yoshon? (Or know the codes to ascertain if it is)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: @Yehuda on December 27, 2014, 08:30:01 PM
KOA Passaic on Rita's in Fairlawn?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: ad120 on December 28, 2014, 02:43:59 AM
KOA Passaic on Rita's in Fairlawn?
KOA is on a lot if Rita's in Bergen County.  They also certify Krispy Kreme in Penn Station as well as other locations.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: @Yehuda on December 28, 2014, 08:03:57 AM
KOA is on a lot if Rita's in Bergen County.  They also certify Krispy Kreme in Penn Station as well as other locations.
Good to know, thank you.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: A3 on December 28, 2014, 08:06:18 AM
Anybody know what's with Rockland Bakery? I see their hotdog buns on a bunch of kosher restaurants. Yet they used to be under the star k, now they are under rabbi Spivak... This is the nanuet location. Do they hotdogs come from Newburgh and its different?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: mek on December 30, 2014, 08:24:49 PM
In case anyone else was wondering about the dairy status of coffee mate. It is full dairy not just de. (The bottle says non-dairy, lactose free)
A response from the ou:

Thank you for contacting the OU.

The CoffeeMate Creamers, are certified kosher ACTUAL dairy when bearing the OU-D symbol.
 
Please do not hesitate to contact us again should you have any further questions.

Sincerely,
 
The Web(be) Rebbe
Orthodox Union Kashruth Division
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on December 31, 2014, 12:37:44 AM
In case anyone else was wondering about the dairy status of coffee mate. It is full dairy not just de. (The bottle says non-dairy, lactose free)
A response from the ou:

Thank you for contacting the OU.

The CoffeeMate Creamers, are certified kosher ACTUAL dairy when bearing the OU-D symbol.
 
Please do not hesitate to contact us again should you have any further questions.

Sincerely,
 
The Web(be) Rebbe
Orthodox Union Kashruth Division
of course. Just read the ingredients.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: mek on December 31, 2014, 11:33:12 AM
of course. Just read the ingredients.

less than 2% sodium caseinate (a milk derivative) thinking that this was only trace amounts + the advertised non-dairy lactose free, I asked
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: dealfinder85 on December 31, 2014, 12:15:02 PM
of course. Just read the ingredients.
i have heard there are those (including respectable rabbanim) who hold that if the sodium caseinate is so minor, it isnt even dairy. i heard quoted that a big rav even said these creamers are pareve.
but i personally dont follow this
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: mek on December 31, 2014, 12:28:18 PM
i have heard there are those (including respectable rabbanim) who hold that if the sodium caseinate is so minor, it isnt even dairy. i heard quoted that a big rav even said these creamers are pareve.
but i personally dont follow this

Hey no fair keeping secrets
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: dealfinder85 on December 31, 2014, 08:52:46 PM
Hey no fair keeping secrets
Didn't hear it from him so I won't quote him
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Achas Veachas on January 22, 2015, 05:22:05 PM
PSA: My wife niticed a bag of tangerines in Costco that are made in Israel without a Hechsher.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: noturbizniss on January 31, 2015, 07:43:19 PM
Anyone hear of quality kosher supervision out of Canton Ohio? Reliable?
(http://www.kashrut.com/agencies/QC.png)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Ask5599 on February 08, 2015, 01:53:59 AM

You just have to know what's kosher.
can you list some that are usually kosher?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Emkay on February 15, 2015, 03:45:20 AM
http://nypost.com/2015/02/13/man-sues-trump-hotel-after-being-served-non-kosher-sandwich/
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: AharonInIsrael on February 15, 2015, 06:43:09 AM
http://nypost.com/2015/02/13/man-sues-trump-hotel-after-being-served-non-kosher-sandwich/
Friend of mine. Happened to him last year.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: ChAiM'l on February 15, 2015, 06:49:44 AM
Friend of mine. Happened to him last year.

Your friend ate meat without a seal in a non-kosher establishment?

Your friend refers to himself in third person?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: AharonInIsrael on February 15, 2015, 06:56:38 AM
Your friend ate meat without a seal in a non-kosher establishment?

Your friend refers to himself in third person?
1. He should have been more careful.
2. No he does not. The article was quoting from the suit. The Post thinks it more profitable to describe it the way they do.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Emkay on February 15, 2015, 07:06:13 AM
Friend of mine. Happened to him last year.
Well tell your friend that it is unacceptable to spend 146 on a damn turkey sandwich no matter how much money he has!!
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: PTU on February 15, 2015, 08:10:05 AM
Is Vaad Hakashrus of metro West NJ reliable?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: AharonInIsrael on February 15, 2015, 08:58:15 AM
Well tell your friend that it is unacceptable to spend 146 on a damn turkey sandwich no matter how much money he has!!
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on February 15, 2015, 10:40:02 AM
Is Vaad Hakashrus of metro West NJ reliable?
you need to find out establishment by establishment. You can tell somewhat based on who signs the approval.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: coralsnake on February 15, 2015, 09:06:44 PM
http://nypost.com/2015/02/13/man-sues-trump-hotel-after-being-served-non-kosher-sandwich/
Friend of mine. Happened to him last year.
The fact that Noahs Ark on Grand St closed in 2013 should've been a dead giveaway.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: coralsnake on February 15, 2015, 09:08:07 PM
Well tell your friend that it is unacceptable to spend 146 on a damn turkey sandwich no matter how much money he has!!
More than likely his company paid for it.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: AharonInIsrael on February 16, 2015, 12:33:09 AM
The fact that Noahs Ark on Grand St closed in 2013 should've been a dead giveaway.
It actually happened in January 2013, not last year.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: springles on March 02, 2015, 12:07:43 PM
Anyone know anything about Rabbi Menachem Hadad and the 1K hechsher from belgium?
CRC told me that its a product by product basis and they dont have any info on the product in question, which is a tube of tomato paste from trader joe's
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: @Yehuda on March 08, 2015, 08:58:43 AM
Talia's is now under R' Marmorstein and not the OU.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on March 08, 2015, 09:30:48 AM
Talia's is now under R' Marmorstein and not the OU.
iinm, its been that way for quite a while.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Ergel on March 08, 2015, 09:31:23 AM
iinm, its been that way for quite a while.
They were ever under the OU?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: @Yehuda on March 08, 2015, 09:36:07 AM
iinm, its been that way for quite a while.
I just found out, didn't realize when it happened.

They were ever under the OU?
Yep. Tried finding a link, best I found was a Google link for Great Kosher Restaurants that listed OU on Google, but once you clicked the link, the site said R' Marmorstein.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: springles on March 11, 2015, 10:27:14 AM
Anyone know anything about Rabbi Menachem Hadad and the 1K hechsher from belgium?
CRC told me that its a product by product basis and they dont have any info on the product in question, which is a tube of tomato paste from trader joe's
bump.  anyone with info?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: noturbizniss on March 11, 2015, 10:39:34 AM
bump.  anyone with info?
This seems like a goof topic for a wiki. IT would be good to have a  list of all the reliable hechsherim.


Oh wait. The wiki already lists the hechsherim that everyone agrees are good.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: springles on March 11, 2015, 04:12:45 PM
This seems like a goof topic for a wiki. IT would be good to have a  list of all the reliable hechsherim.


Oh wait. The wiki already lists the hechsherim that everyone agrees are good.
Thanks, I already explained that I spoke with the CRC.  Since this is a foreign hashgacha I was hoping that someone would have more info for me.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: noturbizniss on March 11, 2015, 04:29:09 PM
Thanks, I already explained that I spoke with the CRC.  Since this is a foreign hashgacha I was hoping that someone would have more info for me.
Didn't mean to quote you or look like I was answering you. Was just a general comment
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: @Yehuda on March 13, 2015, 10:45:30 AM
Anyone know someone who is a Baki in Kashrus of coffees?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: al613 on April 24, 2015, 05:45:19 PM
Is anyone familiar with Chsam Sofer heksher in Israel? As I understand it used to be a very good heksher, but then it changed somehow, correct?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 24, 2015, 05:48:01 PM
Is anyone familiar with Chsam Sofer heksher in Israel? As I understand it used to be a very good heksher, but then it changed somehow, correct?
there is more than one
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: doodle on April 26, 2015, 12:26:54 AM
there is more than one
one has round design , and one has a ancient wall background.
one of these is considered very reliable.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Ergel on April 26, 2015, 11:48:26 AM
There is chasam sofer petach tikva and chasam sofer bnei brak.  Petach tikva is supposed to be the better hechsher
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: sky121 on April 26, 2015, 12:30:23 PM
There is chasam sofer petach tikva and chasam sofer bnei brak.  Petach tikva is supposed to be the better hechsher
Interesting. I heard it the other way around.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yitrap on April 26, 2015, 12:36:12 PM

There is chasam sofer petach tikva and chasam sofer bnei brak.  Petach tikva is supposed to be the better hechsher

Interesting. I heard it the other way around.

+1000 and that basically sums up hechsherim in Israel.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: @Yehuda on April 30, 2015, 08:46:38 PM
Is KOA good? It's not on the CRC's list... (Specifically on Krispy Kreme in Penn Station.)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: E R K on April 30, 2015, 09:23:48 PM
Is KOA good? It's not on the CRC's list... (Specifically on Krispy Kreme in Penn Station.)
No
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moish on May 27, 2015, 11:08:07 AM
Interesting. I heard it the other way around.
it changes monthly
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on May 27, 2015, 04:23:27 PM
it changes monthly


+1000 and that basically sums up hechsherim in Israel.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Emkay on May 27, 2015, 04:46:36 PM
it changes monthly
The metzios or the rumors?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yesitsme on May 27, 2015, 05:55:07 PM
There is chasam sofer petach tikva and chasam sofer bnei brak.  Petach tikva is supposed to be the better hechsher
I don't eat any of the above, I feed it to my garbage if it makes it through my door.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Emkay on May 27, 2015, 05:59:11 PM
I don't eat any of the above, I feed it to my garbage if it makes it through my door.
dont eat mentos?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yesitsme on May 27, 2015, 06:02:31 PM
dont eat mentos?
no, my chavrusa used to come every day with Mentos and offer some....
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on May 27, 2015, 07:19:21 PM
I don't eat any of the above, I feed it to my garbage if it makes it through my door.
any specific reason you care to share?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yesitsme on May 31, 2015, 07:14:47 PM
why in the world is the flavored (http://www.amazon.com/Pedialyte-Freezer-Pops-Assorted-Flavors/dp/B005X9EOAA/ref=sr_1_8?s=baby-products&ie=UTF8&qid=1433113906&sr=1-8) ou, and the unflavored (http://www.amazon.com/Pedialyte-33-8-Unflavored-Electrolyte-Drink/dp/B00TWXDDBY/ref=sr_1_10?s=grocery&ie=UTF8&qid=1433113114&sr=1-10#productDetails) ou-D?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: incendia on May 31, 2015, 08:20:11 PM
why in the world is the flavored (http://www.amazon.com/Pedialyte-Freezer-Pops-Assorted-Flavors/dp/B005X9EOAA/ref=sr_1_8?s=baby-products&ie=UTF8&qid=1433113906&sr=1-8) ou, and the unflavored (http://www.amazon.com/Pedialyte-33-8-Unflavored-Electrolyte-Drink/dp/B00TWXDDBY/ref=sr_1_10?s=grocery&ie=UTF8&qid=1433113114&sr=1-10#productDetails) ou-D?

1) those aren't comparable products
2) walmart has it for $5
3) its probably just the machinery that was previously used for a dairy product, I would email the OU about it
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yesitsme on May 31, 2015, 08:30:09 PM
1) those aren't comparable products
2) walmart has it for $5
3) its probably just the machinery that was previously used for a dairy product, I would email the OU about it

I try not to use OU-D, or coloring/dye/artificial-sweetener
I had to decide BTW OU-D or coloring/dye/artificial-sweetener

since the freezer pops don't come unflavored.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: incendia on May 31, 2015, 08:46:06 PM
  • um.. same product different packaging
  • correct, defenetly overpriced i bought it in Duane read for 6.49
  • Thought so, I sent them a E-mail

I try not to use OU-D, or coloring/dye/artificial-sweetener
I had to decide BTW OU-D or coloring/dye/artificial-sweetener

since the freezer pops don't come unflavored.

also keep in mind that with both sick people and children ( depending on age ) you can be somewhat lax on the break between meat and milk

Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yesitsme on May 31, 2015, 09:14:36 PM
also keep in mind that with both sick people and children ( depending on age ) you can be somewhat lax on the break between meat and milk
You have a point

My concern is Cholov Akum
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: incendia on May 31, 2015, 09:26:38 PM
You have a point

My concern is Cholov Akum

I think you mean chalav stam which you can also be lenient when in a "Be'De'ved " situation
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Achas Veachas on May 31, 2015, 09:49:49 PM
I think you mean chalav stam which you can also be lenient when in a "Be'De'ved " situation
Assuming he's thinking of buying it, this isn't Bdi'eved.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on May 31, 2015, 10:16:48 PM


I think you mean chalav stam which I am be lenient when in a "Be'De'ved " situation
FTFY
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: avromie7 on May 31, 2015, 10:20:57 PM
Assuming he's thinking of buying it, this isn't Bdi'eved.
Its choleh that's why its bdi'eved
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on May 31, 2015, 10:24:08 PM
Its choleh that's why its bdi'eved
Even though there is something equally effective that has no issue?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: incendia on May 31, 2015, 10:25:39 PM
FTFY

actually I hold chalav stam Le'Chatchila

Assuming he's thinking of buying it, this isn't Bdi'eved.

I know it doesnt make 100% sense but you can plan ahead for Bdi'ved situations like when you are traveling or have sick children 
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: avromie7 on May 31, 2015, 10:27:10 PM
Even though there is something equally effective that has no issue?
My understanding is that the same was not available
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on May 31, 2015, 10:27:28 PM


actually I hold chalav stam Le'Chatchila

enjoy but that doesn't mean all agree that you can just use it in any level of bdieved

Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on May 31, 2015, 10:28:16 PM
My understanding is that the same was not available
The difference is that it has flavors
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: avromie7 on May 31, 2015, 10:28:59 PM
The difference is that it has flavors
Try telling that to a sick child
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on May 31, 2015, 10:33:16 PM
Try telling that to a sick child

  • um.. same product different packaging
  • correct, defenetly overpriced i bought it in Duane read for 6.49
  • Thought so, I sent them a E-mail

I try not to use OU-D, or coloring/dye/artificial-sweetener
I had to decide BTW OU-D or coloring/dye/artificial-sweetener

since the freezer pops don't come unflavored.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: incendia on May 31, 2015, 10:47:08 PM
enjoy but that doesn't mean all agree that you can just use it in any level of bdieved

true but its an option he should consider
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on May 31, 2015, 11:15:23 PM
true but its an option he should consider
Hence my ftfy
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yesitsme on May 31, 2015, 11:19:30 PM
Assuming he's thinking of buying it, this isn't Bdi'eved.
Bdi'eved = it was done.
she'as hadchack = there aren't alternatives.

Try telling that to a sick child

unflavored is for infants which is only available OU-D.
it says on the OU pops that only come flavored "for use 1 and older".

the child is a infant
so one can debate if it's considered a alternative.

IV fluids from the hospital Probably don't have/need a Hechsher but doesn't go through the bias hablia'
Quote
IV. Prevention
If a person is healthy or has a slight discomfort and his physician advises that there is a high risk of him becoming a choleh sheyaish bo sakana or even a choleh she'ain bo sakana, this person may take non-kosher supplements shelo k'derech achila, in an uncommon manner. if an equally effective kosher substitute is unavailable

Quote
III. Syrups and Liquids - These products are considered k'derech achila because they contain flavors which give them a good taste.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on May 31, 2015, 11:53:10 PM
Bdi'eved = it was done.
she'as hadchack = there aren't alternatives.
Although in literal translation you are correct, in halacha the concepts often overlap which necessity causing cases to be considered as if it was b'dieved
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: elya on June 01, 2015, 01:00:34 AM
There is chasam sofer petach tikva and chasam sofer bnei brak.  Petach tikva is supposed to be the better hechsher
-1000 Rabbi Kuber explicitly told me that while chasam sofer bnei brak is a very reliable, and upstanding hashgacha, petach tikva is completely unreliable! The rumor that it's the other way around, was spread by someone with alot of power, who works for petach tikva. (he personally checked out both hashgachos, and was telling me the unbiased truth!)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yesitsme on June 01, 2015, 01:11:22 AM
-1000 Rabbi Kuber explicitly told me that while chasam sofer bnei brak is a very reliable, and upstanding hashgacha, petach tikva is completely unreliable! The rumor that it's the other way around, was spread by someone with alot of power, who works for petach tikva. (he personally checked out both hashgachos, and was telling me the unbiased truth!)
This is a endless battle

(http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/are-the-chasam-sofer-hechsherim-reliable)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: elya on June 01, 2015, 01:17:48 AM
This is a endless battle

(http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/are-the-chasam-sofer-hechsherim-reliable)
There will always be different opinions, I was just quoting the first hand findings of Rabbi Kuber. (who is someone which many very prominent Rabbanim refer their Kashrus questions to, as he is someone who actually checks things out himself.)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: elya on June 01, 2015, 01:20:28 AM
And as a side point he told me with regard to chasam sofer b"b, that he is wary about who they are sending down to check out the products from chutz laaretz, he therefore would not recommend those products. However anything produced in Israel they are 100% reliable.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yesitsme on June 01, 2015, 01:30:46 AM
And as a side point he told me with regard to chasam sofer b"b, that he is wary about who they are sending down to check out the products from chutz laaretz, he therefore would not recommend those products. However anything produced in Israel they are 100% reliable.
so whats about mentos? they aren't made in israel.
dont eat mentos?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: elya on June 01, 2015, 01:31:43 AM
I believe they are, which is why I eat them.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yesitsme on June 01, 2015, 01:36:24 AM
I believe they are, which is why I eat them.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: elya on June 01, 2015, 01:37:20 AM
I stand corrected. My wife is gonna kill you! Lol
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yesitsme on June 01, 2015, 01:41:38 AM
I stand corrected. My wife is gonna kill you! Lol
OK I'll try to work something out...
Quote
If you look on the package it's made in Switzerland. It says on the package certified kosher by the Rabbanut of Switzerland.
would that help you?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: elya on June 01, 2015, 01:43:02 AM
Never heard of them, will have to try and research.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Emkay on June 01, 2015, 02:17:48 AM
This is a endless battle

(http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/are-the-chasam-sofer-hechsherim-reliable)
I like the way your source is YWN coffee room,Almost laughable.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Emkay on June 01, 2015, 02:20:08 AM
-1000 Rabbi Kuber explicitly told me that while chasam sofer bnei brak is a very reliable, and upstanding hashgacha, petach tikva is completely unreliable! The rumor that it's the other way around, was spread by someone with alot of power, who works for petach tikva. (he personally checked out both hashgachos, and was telling me the unbiased truth!)
I spoke to almost every rav yesterday thats quoted in this argument, and while none said it was awesome. When asked which one is better they said B'B.  they did say that it switched around 2 years ago
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yesitsme on June 01, 2015, 04:36:45 AM
I like the way your source is YWN coffee room,Almost laughable.
source?
Same here,same there

I spoke to almost every rav yesterday thats quoted in this argument
which 1 of the 2
Rav Yitzchok Berkowitz or  Rabbi Kuber
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Emkay on June 01, 2015, 04:38:38 AM


which 1 of the 2
Rav Yitzchok Berkowitz or  Rabbi Kuber

Why does it have to be only one?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: @Yehuda on June 25, 2015, 10:26:50 AM
Can you get a black coffee in any Dunkin' Donuts? Or do you have to be concerned that they might pour it into something that they mix other drinks in, etc.?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: dealfinder85 on June 25, 2015, 11:09:31 AM
Can you get a black coffee in any Dunkin' Donuts? Or do you have to be concerned that they might pour it into something that they mix other drinks in, etc.?
dont they just fill up the cup and give it to you if its just black coffee?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: @Yehuda on June 25, 2015, 11:10:12 AM
dont they just fill up the cup and give it to you if its just black coffee?
I don't know. That's what I would think.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: dealfinder85 on June 25, 2015, 11:18:59 AM
I don't know. That's what I would think.
i think its generally accepted that you can get plain coffee anywhere
the CRC developed a chumra by some starbucks
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Ydad on June 25, 2015, 11:22:22 AM
dont they just fill up the cup and give it to you if its just black coffee?
What about cleaning? I.e. if they put the coffee maker parts in a dishwasher together with their sausage makers and wash on a hot cycle...
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: dealfinder85 on June 25, 2015, 11:27:51 AM
What about cleaning? I.e. if they put the coffee maker parts in a dishwasher together with their sausage makers and wash on a hot cycle...
i hope they used soap...
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: avromie7 on June 25, 2015, 11:48:11 AM
What about cleaning? I.e. if they put the coffee maker parts in a dishwasher together with their sausage makers and wash on a hot cycle...
Even though stam keilim einom ben yomo does not apply in a commercial setting here it does because chances are there was no klei rishon hot water that went from treif onto the coffee keilim within 24 hours
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on June 25, 2015, 12:50:42 PM
Even though stam keilim einom ben yomo does not apply in a commercial setting here it does because chances are there was no klei rishon hot water that went from treif onto the coffee keilim within 24 hours
Firstly that is untrue. If they wash it at night it would be ben yomo the entire next day. Secondly you are getting involved in a machlokes if it starts again each time it comes out and makes chanan
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: avromie7 on June 25, 2015, 12:53:58 PM


Firstly that is untrue. If they wash it at night it would be ben yomo the entire next day. Secondly you are getting involved in a machlokes if it starts again each time it comes out and makes chanan
If they wash it at night AND treif klei rishon water hits it, it will be Ben yomo but stam keilim einom Ben yomo applies here since we don't know if it happened last night
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: dealfinder85 on June 25, 2015, 01:01:36 PM
i hope they used soap...
bump
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on June 25, 2015, 05:03:27 PM
i hope they used soap...
in many dishwashers the soap is not released immediately
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on June 25, 2015, 09:42:12 PM
i hope they used soap...
all the commercial dishwashers that I've seen (box and belt) are 3 stage dishwashers. Stage 1 which is a hot water rinse does not have detergent.
Recently, I observed a belt dishwasher and saw the hot water actually spray the food from one utensil onto another.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: doodle on June 26, 2015, 02:01:31 AM
all the commercial dishwashers that I've seen (box and belt) are 3 stage dishwashers. Stage 1 which is a hot water rinse does not have detergent.
Recently, I observed a belt dishwasher and saw the hot water actually spray the food from one utensil onto another.
is it the same by home ones?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on June 26, 2015, 07:31:33 AM
Could be I've never seen the inside while it was running.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on June 26, 2015, 09:13:46 AM
is it the same by home ones?
most if not all residential dishwashers have a detergent compartment which only opens after the water has already been spraying for some time. This is all of course besides the concern mentioned by R Moshe about bliyos going directly from one item to the other.
Title: Coke Hechsher
Post by: wonderlust on July 19, 2015, 08:27:45 PM
Are sodas such as coke, sprite etc kosher internationally or do they need a hechsher in each country?
Title: Re: Coke Hechsher
Post by: wonderlust on July 19, 2015, 08:36:26 PM
I think that you're spending too much time on DDF

I'm not sure why you would consider expecting to be made whole from a botched order as "beyond the pale"- when someone orders specific travel meals it's with the understanding that the specifics of the order are time sensitive & all the details are essential. That is the nature of the business & that's what goes into the costs of the product. If someone is going to provide the service they should be expected to stand behind it when they botch up- which From my understanding is exactly what POM was doing until this new guy showed up..
Title: Re: Coke Hechsher
Post by: Emkay on July 19, 2015, 08:37:16 PM
Are sodas such as coke, sprite etc kosher internationally or do they need a hechsher in each country?
Standard coke is good
Title: Re: Coke Hechsher
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on July 19, 2015, 10:42:34 PM
Standard coke and sprite is good
-1000

Only Kosher in USA and Canada without hechsher. You really should ask your Rabbi and not some online forum.
Title: Re: Coke Hechsher
Post by: Emkay on July 19, 2015, 10:44:40 PM
-1000
You better have solid sources to back yourself up . And don't give the "I heard from someone who knows this stuff" crap!
Title: Re: Coke Hechsher
Post by: AJK on July 19, 2015, 10:44:43 PM
Sounds like POM is having service hiccups... not good.
Title: Re: Coke Hechsher
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on July 19, 2015, 10:51:52 PM
You better have solid sources to back yourself up . And don't give the "I heard from someone who knows this stuff" crap!

Look under Coca-Cola: http://www.crcweb.org/beverage_list.php
(Additionally, if it's all kosher, who cares what type of bottle the Mexican Coke is in?)
Title: Re: Coke Hechsher
Post by: DMYD on July 19, 2015, 10:52:28 PM
-1000

Only Kosher in USA and Canada without hechsher. You really should ask your Rabbi and not some online forum.
Yeah what are you talking about? Do they have a hechsher in England? Switzerland?
Title: Re: Coke Hechsher
Post by: Emkay on July 19, 2015, 10:57:44 PM
Look under Coca-Cola: http://www.crcweb.org/beverage_list.php
(Additionally, if it's all kosher, who cares what type of bottle the Mexican Coke is in?)
So you saw something online, made your own diyuk out of it and then proceeded to use that self made diyuk to say I'm grossly wrong. Aha
Title: Re: Coke Hechsher
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on July 19, 2015, 11:00:20 PM
Yeah what are you talking about? Do they have a hechsher in England? Switzerland?

I don't live there, so I don't know. Coke needs a hechsher. It's just not necessarily printed on the label. In some countries, such as the US and Canada, everything is certified, even when the hechsher isn't printed on the label.

http://www.kosharot.co.il/ask_show.asp?id=4435
Title: Re: Coke Hechsher
Post by: Emkay on July 19, 2015, 11:05:46 PM


Coke needs a hechsher.
No.it.doesn't. End of story, I don't care how many online sources you bring me.
Either way as you said this isn't the proper place to ask halacha questions
Title: Re: Coke Hechsher
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on July 19, 2015, 11:07:55 PM
So you saw something online, made your own diyuk out of it and then proceeded to use that self made diyuk to say I'm grossly wrong. Aha

Why do you think all Coke is kosher? Because it doesn't contain any problematic ingredients, and therefore doesn't require a hechsher like water and coffee don't?

Coke needs a hechsher. In the USA all Coke is under the OU, even when it's not printed. That can't be said for Vietnamese, Chinese, or Russian Coke.
Title: Re: Coke Hechsher
Post by: Emkay on July 19, 2015, 11:11:25 PM


Why do you think all Coke is kosher? Because it doesn't contain any problematic ingredients, and therefore doesn't require a hechsher like water and coffee don't?

Coke needs a hechsher. In the USA all Coke is under the OU, even when it's not printed. That can't be said for Vietnamese, Chinese, or Russian Coke.

If it was only a thought I wouldn't be so cocky about it. I am right in this case and will gladly take any hell you incur due to this.  And stop spreading misinformation based on your own sevaras
Title: Re: Coke Hechsher
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on July 19, 2015, 11:16:06 PM

If it was only a thought I wouldn't be so cocky about it. I am right in this case and will gladly take any hell you incur due to this.  And stop spreading misinformation based on your own sevaras

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/Kashering_Coke.html
Anyways, please do yourself a favor and call up a Kashrus agency and ask them yourself.
Title: Re: Coke Hechsher
Post by: Emkay on July 19, 2015, 11:19:41 PM
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/Kashering_Coke.html
Anyways, please do yourself a favor and call up a Kashrus agency and ask them yourself.
As I said before, quoting online articles will do little to sway me. And regarding calling an agency, do you think I'm being so stubborn based on hearsay or my own conclusions? If you would only know...
Title: Re: Coke Hechsher
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on July 19, 2015, 11:21:32 PM
As I said before, quoting online articles will do little to sway me. And regarding calling an agency, do you think I'm being so stubborn based on hearsay or my own conclusions? If you would only know...

I'd love to.
Title: Re: Coke Hechsher
Post by: Jm1248 on July 19, 2015, 11:56:59 PM

If it was only a thought I wouldn't be so cocky about it. I am right in this case and will gladly take any hell you incur due to this.  And stop spreading misinformation based on your own sevaras
What does make you so certain about it?
Title: Re: Coke Hechsher
Post by: clear thinker on July 20, 2015, 10:23:07 AM
I don't live there, so I don't know. Coke needs a hechsher. It's just not necessarily printed on the label. In some countries, such as the US and Canada, everything is certified, even when the hechsher isn't printed on the label.

http://www.kosharot.co.il/ask_show.asp?id=4435
- a few hundred (aka not thousand).
Title: Re: Coke Hechsher
Post by: moko on July 20, 2015, 10:38:15 AM
Standard coke is good
?
You better have solid sources to back yourself up . And don't give the "I heard from someone who knows this stuff" crap!
Title: Re: Coke Hechsher
Post by: skyguy918 on July 20, 2015, 10:55:47 AM
As I said before, quoting online articles will do little to sway me. And regarding calling an agency, do you think I'm being so stubborn based on hearsay or my own conclusions? If you would only know...
I have no idea which one of you is right, but just know that you're being annoying. If you have something to say, say it. I'm not sure you realize how ridiculous it is to essentially post in a discussion forum, "you're wrong and I know it", without any further details. I welcome your constructive input to the discussion.
Title: Re: Coke Hechsher
Post by: Emkay on July 20, 2015, 11:19:59 AM


I have no idea which one of you is right, but just know that you're being annoying. If you have something to say, say it. I'm not sure you realize how ridiculous it is to essentially post in a discussion forum, "you're wrong and I know it", without any further details. I welcome your constructive input to the discussion.

As we both agreed earlier, an online forum isn't the proper place for a halacha discussion. I'm not sure what more input I can contribute other then saying that its fine. Speaking to your kashrus agency will settle it for you. I was just getting perturbed over the misinformation spread simply because  he based his opinion on his own reading of an article and then played it off as a fact. I have nothing more to say.
Title: Re: Coke Hechsher
Post by: Emkay on July 20, 2015, 11:21:06 AM
?
My sources are the heads of the certifying agencies
Title: Re: Coke Hechsher
Post by: skyguy918 on July 20, 2015, 11:26:43 AM

As we both agreed earlier, an online forum isn't the proper place for a halacha discussion. I'm not sure what more input I can contribute other then saying that its fine. Speaking to your kashrus agency will settle it for you. I was just getting perturbed over the misinformation spread simply because  he based his opinion on his own reading of an article and then played it off as a fact. I have nothing more to say.
So your plan is to counteract misinformation with as little information in response as possible?
Title: Re: Coke Hechsher
Post by: Emkay on July 20, 2015, 11:30:08 AM
So your plan is to counteract misinformation with as little information in response as possible?
I will gladly tell you whatever I know and can properly explain. Tell me what info you are missing. There isn't much to it.
Title: Re: Coke Hechsher
Post by: Jm1248 on July 20, 2015, 11:44:51 AM
I will gladly tell you whatever I know and can properly explain. Tell me what info you are missing. There isn't much to it.
I was just wondering where you heard it from that you are so positive it's good. The heads of OU?
Title: Re: Coke Hechsher
Post by: Emkay on July 20, 2015, 11:45:15 AM
I was just wondering where you heard it from that you are so positive it's good. The heads of OU?
Yes,and more
Title: Re: Coke Hechsher
Post by: Jm1248 on July 20, 2015, 11:46:08 AM
Yes,and more
Ok thanx
Title: Re: Coke Hechsher
Post by: Something Fishy on July 20, 2015, 12:29:14 PM
FWIW:

Quote
Dear Something Fishy,
 
Thank you for contacting the OU.
 
The Orthodox Union certifies a wide range of products manufactured by the Coca Cola Company in the United States of America, Canada and the State of Israel.
 
The Orthodox Union has no information on products of the Coca Cola Company manufactured in other locations.
 
Bottles and canned products of the Coca Cola Company in the U.S.A. bear the OU logo. In the rare event that a purchased bottle or can of any products of the Coca Cola Company does not have the OU symbol on the cap or the label or for information on a specific fountain product, please contact the Orthodox Union consumer hotline at 212-613-8241.
 
Please do not hesitate to contact us again should you have any further questions.
 
Sincerely,
 
The Web(be) Rebbe
Orthodox Union Kashruth Division
Title: Re: Coke Hechsher
Post by: @Yehuda on July 20, 2015, 12:32:35 PM
Woa, deja vu.

Quote
Dear @Yehuda,
 
Thank you for contacting the OU.
 
The Orthodox Union certifies a wide range of products manufactured by the Coca Cola Company in the United States of America, Canada and the State of Israel.
 
The Orthodox Union has no information on products of the Coca Cola Company manufactured in other locations.
 
Bottles and canned products of the Coca Cola Company in the U.S.A. bear the OU logo. In the rare event that a purchased bottle or can of any products of the Coca Cola Company does not have the OU symbol on the cap or the label or for information on a specific fountain product, please contact the Orthodox Union consumer hotline at 212-613-8241.
 
Please do not hesitate to contact us again should you have any further questions.
 
Sincerely,
 
The Web(be) Rebbe
Orthodox Union Kashruth Division
Title: Re: Coke Hechsher
Post by: Something Fishy on July 20, 2015, 12:36:20 PM
Woa, deja vu.

Look, a canned response!



<I'll just see myself out now, thanks :P>
Title: Re: Coke Hechsher
Post by: Emkay on July 20, 2015, 12:37:46 PM
FWIW:
I got the same. If you know anyone that's high up there ask them in person
Title: Re: Coke Hechsher
Post by: skyguy918 on July 20, 2015, 12:58:18 PM
I got the same. If you know anyone that's high up there ask them in person
I do and I just did. He said in the US it's fine without a hechsher. Outside the US they don't recommend it.

ETA: I would add that he tends to answer cautiously, but when he's sure something is mutar, even if it's not a publicly held stance of OU Kosher, he will tell me it's fine.
Title: Re: Coke Hechsher
Post by: Emkay on July 20, 2015, 01:02:20 PM
I do and I just did. He said in the US it's fine without a hechsher. Outside the US they don't recommend it.

ETA: I would add that he tends to answer cautiously, but when he's sure something is mutar, even if it's not a publicly held stance of OU Kosher, he will tell me it's fine.
Would you be comfortable sharing in PM who that is?
Title: Re: Coke Hechsher
Post by: moko on July 20, 2015, 01:02:56 PM
My sources are the heads of the certifying agencies
as are mine (whom i happen to work for) just happens to be that generally the heads of the certifying agencies  have employees who are far more knowledgeable than they are themself.
Title: Re: Coke Hechsher
Post by: Emkay on July 20, 2015, 01:06:05 PM
as are mine (whom i happen to work for) just happens to be that generally the heads of the certifying agencies  have employees who are far more knowledgeable than they are themself. (they often choise not listen to those employees)
And? You work for the OU?
Title: Re: Coke Hechsher
Post by: moko on July 20, 2015, 01:17:04 PM
And? You work for the OU?
some.
Title: Re: Coke Hechsher
Post by: skyguy918 on July 20, 2015, 01:23:51 PM
Would you be comfortable sharing in PM who that is?
Not sure what we'd gain by that - you PM me your name , I PM you mine, and nothing has actually changed in the conversation other than to establish that different Rabonim at OU will give you different answers on an issue that the OU itself intentionally doesn't have an official position on. What I'll say is that he is one of the Rabbinic Coordinators at headquarters (there are about 50 of them), not a 'head' as you put it. But as moko points out, the 'heads' often know less about the specifics than those reporting to them.
Title: Re: Coke Hechsher
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on July 20, 2015, 02:58:51 PM
Please allow me to explain that a Hechsher is not a logo. It's a certification that a product is kosher. Just because Coke may not necessarily have an OU logo on it, that doesn't mean it doesn't have a Hechsher. In fact, the production was fully supervised by the OU and the beverage indeed has a Hechsher, which just happens to not be listed on the label. This can only be said about Coke from the US, all of which are certified by the OU. It cannot be said of Coke in other countries, where only certain facilities are supervised.

That said, Coke needs a Hechsher. It's not like plain coffee or tea which don't need one. Coke does contain many sensitive ingredients, whereas coffee and tea contain just coffee or tea.

I really hope I was clear this time around.
Title: Re: Coke Hechsher
Post by: wonderlust on July 20, 2015, 11:59:07 PM
I got the same. If you know anyone that's high up there ask them in person

I did some Hashgacha work for the Ou back in the day & there is someone there that is high up that I always text with my shaylios. Normally I recieve a response within minutes. Interstegly enough, he hasn't responded to my inquiry today. I'm wondering if I'm not the only one on the forum to reach out to him today... He is from bkln..
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: noturbizniss on August 10, 2015, 04:32:27 PM
Does salt need a hashgacha? Specifically, curing salt which has pink food coloring added? (e.g. http://www.amazon.com/Hoosier-Hill-Farm-Prague-Powder/dp/B008X6KE0E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1439238455&sr=8-1&keywords=Prague+Powder+No.+1%2C)
If so, anyone know where to get kosher curing salt?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on August 10, 2015, 04:38:54 PM
Does salt need a hashgacha? Specifically, curing salt which has pink food coloring added? (e.g. http://www.amazon.com/Hoosier-Hill-Farm-Prague-Powder/dp/B008X6KE0E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1439238455&sr=8-1&keywords=Prague+Powder+No.+1%2C)
If so, anyone know where to get kosher curing salt?
coloring generally needs a hechsher
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: noturbizniss on August 10, 2015, 04:39:43 PM
coloring generally needs a hechsher
That's what I thought. Now I gotta find kosher curing salt
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: noturbizniss on August 10, 2015, 04:52:51 PM
Found  this  (http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/679625?commentId=5313528#5313528) post and decided to call myself and the star K said it does not need a hechsher even though it has coloring added.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: incendia on August 10, 2015, 08:22:42 PM
Does salt need a hashgacha? Specifically, curing salt which has pink food coloring added? (e.g. http://www.amazon.com/Hoosier-Hill-Farm-Prague-Powder/dp/B008X6KE0E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1439238455&sr=8-1&keywords=Prague+Powder+No.+1%2C)
If so, anyone know where to get kosher curing salt?

pink comes from other minerals not from coloring
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: noturbizniss on August 10, 2015, 08:28:19 PM
pink comes from other minerals not from coloring
-1
That's pink Himalayan salt, not curing salt.
http://www.americanspice.com/prague-powder-noquoe)-1-pink-curing-salt/
Quote
Ingredients:

Salt, Sodium Nitrite, Red #3, less than 2% Sodium Silico Aluminate & Propylene Glycol added as flowing agent.



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curing_salt
Quote
Many also contain red dye that makes them pink to prevent them from being confused with common table salt.[2] Curing salts are not to be confused with Himalayan pink salt, which is pure salt with trace elements that give it a pink color.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on August 11, 2015, 06:18:54 PM
Who would even think about discussing these topics in a public, anonymous forum?

OU: 212-613-8241
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: noturbizniss on August 12, 2015, 07:10:42 AM
Who would even think about discussing these topics in a public, anonymous forum?

OU: 212-613-8241
Some things don't require a shailah immediately, and some organizations won't answer every question. Especially those concerning reliability of hechsherim. Many folks here are much less anonymous than you think as well.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: noturbizniss on August 17, 2015, 12:41:56 AM
Any mixed drinks that are likely kosher in a bar or comedy club? Years ago I think I got frangellico or something like that but iinm I was misinformed and the brand name is no good. Any tips, lists or recommendations besides beer or straight whiskey or vodka?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: mancunian on August 17, 2015, 01:10:31 AM
Jack and ginger or jack and coke or screwdriver are always safe.
The you can go with a Bloody Mary check what mix and make sure no olives or extras (I ordered one like that today and I think they held the vodka too)
Usually a Long Island iced tea is safe too as it's mainly alcohol and soda
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: keemster26 on August 17, 2015, 01:48:52 AM
___on the beach should also be fine I believe.
Title: Re: South Florida Master Thread
Post by: yakrot on August 24, 2015, 02:03:33 PM
Fuego, Foozo, and Zak recs?
Hechsher changed at Zak the Baker... Make sure it's still within your standards
Title: Re: Re: South Florida Master Thread
Post by: Dan on August 24, 2015, 02:04:05 PM
Who is it under?
Their website says OK.
Title: Re: Re: South Florida Master Thread
Post by: yakrot on August 24, 2015, 02:07:15 PM
Who is it under?
Their website says OK.
Used to be km
Title: Re: Re: South Florida Master Thread
Post by: Dan on August 24, 2015, 02:10:10 PM
Who cares?
Who doesn't use the OK?
Title: Re: Re: South Florida Master Thread
Post by: yakrot on August 24, 2015, 02:10:35 PM
Who cares?
Who doesn't use the OK?
Locally many ppl
Title: Re: Re: South Florida Master Thread
Post by: Dan on August 24, 2015, 02:11:10 PM
Sounds like pure politics to me.

What ingredients do you think these places use if not OK/OU/etc?
Title: Re: Re: South Florida Master Thread
Post by: Dan on August 24, 2015, 02:21:49 PM
I don't know what ingredients they use and I'm not saying not to eat there. I was just making the public aware that there has been a change. Once you ask me who doesn't eat there the answer is many ppl. Politics or not the reason that a local hechsher was created many years ago was because of the lack of oversight that some of the National brands of hechsherim seemed to have on a local level.


They did the same thing in CLE 20 years ago to force the nationals out with a "superior" local, pushed one restaurant out of business for non-compliance, and they wound up certifying a place serving pure treifes.

I don't know the situation in MIA, but you can see why I don't put a lot of stock in local hechsher mafias.
Bottom line is that if you don't eat OK and OU (at least on non-meat) you pretty much shouldn't be eating anywhere because every restaurant is using OK and OU products.
Title: Re: Re: South Florida Master Thread
Post by: Dan on August 24, 2015, 02:49:38 PM
Based on what happened in CLE, the national did a better job than the local mafia which served me treif. So it's a non-factor for me.
Title: Re: Re: South Florida Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on August 24, 2015, 02:50:19 PM
Details?
Title: Re: Re: South Florida Master Thread
Post by: Dan on August 24, 2015, 02:52:30 PM
Details?
They did the same thing in CLE 20 years ago to force the nationals out with a "superior" local, pushed one restaurant out of business for non-compliance, and they wound up certifying a place serving pure treifes.
Happened in the early-mid 90s. Restaurant was Pe-King, right across from the Hebrew Academy where I was rewarded with a treif egg roll for getting the top score in the class :P
Title: Re: Re: South Florida Master Thread
Post by: yakrot on August 24, 2015, 02:53:03 PM
Based on what happened in CLE, the national did a better job than the local mafia which served me treif. So it's a non-factor for me.
Why judge every local mafia as one?

I try and judge every hechsher to the best of my ability separately. Just because local mafia was worse in cle than national mafias doesn't make it so everywhere.

What it comes down to is who is in charge and what kind of reputation do they have. Seems like your saying that in Cleveland the local mafia hired the wrong ppl
Title: Re: Re: South Florida Master Thread
Post by: Dan on August 24, 2015, 02:55:00 PM
Because it's my opinion that this stuff is 100% political and I don't see why a local hashgocha is any better than the OK.
Title: Re: Re: South Florida Master Thread
Post by: Dan on August 24, 2015, 03:01:15 PM
Why do you trust any OK certified food then?
What's the difference if it's packaged in a warehouse in FL or served in a restaurant in FL?
Title: Re: Re: South Florida Master Thread
Post by: dovidb on August 24, 2015, 03:10:40 PM
Sounds like pure politics to me.

What ingredients do you think these places use if not OK/OU/etc?
-1 big difference between factory products and local products
Local products depend on the local rabbi who does not necessarily have the necessary Kashrus education
Title: Re: Re: South Florida Master Thread
Post by: yakrot on August 24, 2015, 03:11:15 PM
Why do you trust any OK certified food then?
What's the difference if it's packaged in a warehouse in FL or served in a restaurant in FL?
What it comes down to is who is actually responsible for the food your eating.

According to many in the kashrus business the OK has good policies and supervision when it comes to factories that they supervise.
However they have been known to put blind trust in ppl locally to set thier own standards in regards to policies and supervision for local hashgacha.

Look at it like a franchise. If you trust the local rabbi in charge of the local OK branch then your good to go. If not you can still trust the flagship to be reliable in regards to the standards he is in control of non local branches.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Shauly101 on August 24, 2015, 05:28:18 PM
what i heard of a owner of a food company in brookyln:
he never ate only ok till he opened his company and took ok for the nation together with a NY Ultra Hashgacha to serve the local community as well.
now he wold recommend everyone to trust ok blindfolded and NOT to eat  the local hashgacha when its the only certificate on a product...
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: mancunian on October 07, 2015, 07:57:50 PM
I worked for the ok, and wasn't comfortable doing hashgocho at a certain restaurant because it seemed the owner was up to no good. Pretty sure after I left the ok dropped the restaurant. Then the place shut down. Was one of the fanciest restaurants in NYC.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Centro on November 01, 2015, 12:50:30 AM
Carlson Norwegian Cod Liver Oil, any idea if it's kosher?
(http://images.netrition.com/images/carlson_cod_liver_oil_liquid.jpg)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: dealvr on November 23, 2015, 01:16:45 PM
Anyone know if Ben & Jerry's stores are kosher? Can I get ice cream in a cone?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on November 23, 2015, 05:14:34 PM
Anyone know if Ben & Jerry's stores are kosher? Can I get ice cream in a cone?
pretty sure you would need a hechsher on the individual store.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: henche on November 23, 2015, 07:25:14 PM
pretty sure you would need a hechsher on the individual store.

Depends whom you ask. I'm comfotable buying ice cream from any ben and jerrys. Out of town folks tend to think of this issue differently from in town folks. I dunno nutin about the cones.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: henche on November 23, 2015, 07:27:09 PM
Anyone ever heard of a KORC?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: username on November 23, 2015, 11:09:30 PM
Anyone ever heard of a KORC?
Detroit?
On the CRC good list
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Mech on December 05, 2015, 08:10:30 PM
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/05/475847818f97c1754516942ee86a152d.jpg)Does anybody know if this is reliable?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: MisterHock on December 05, 2015, 08:13:08 PM
Depends what you consider reliable.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: skyguy918 on December 05, 2015, 08:21:51 PM
What does the part about the berries mean? Don't get anything with berries? The store doesn't have anything with berries?
Title: Re: Coke Hechsher
Post by: yuneeq on December 05, 2015, 08:32:53 PM
No.it.doesn't. End of story, I don't care how many online sources you bring me.
Either way as you said this isn't the proper place to ask halacha questions

http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=48086&hilite=8402017c-7c7f-4f6c-b598-aa7494421605&st=%D7%A7%D7%95%D7%A7%D7%94+%D7%A7%D7%95%D7%9C%D7%94&pgnum=466
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on December 05, 2015, 08:35:48 PM
What does the part about the berries mean? Don't get anything with berries? The store doesn't have anything with berries?
anything in the store made with berries is not certified
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: @Yehuda on December 05, 2015, 08:39:07 PM
From someone who lives in NYC (where Rabbi Mehlman gives many hashgachos) there is quite the debate as to whether he is reliable...
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Mech on December 05, 2015, 08:47:57 PM
Ok. Thanx
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: mgarfin on March 06, 2016, 01:19:37 PM
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=11285.msg1426723#msg1426723
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Emkay on March 06, 2016, 01:20:47 PM
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=11285.msg1426723#msg1426723
Is that supposed to be a question?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: username on March 06, 2016, 07:53:17 PM
bought a raw brisket and the only ID was a little piece of paper inside that said OU and Nirbartur symbols. Was shrinkwrapped in plain clear plastic, with only a date code inkjetted on.
Bought from an eino yehudi.
Can i eat it?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: username on March 06, 2016, 08:55:51 PM
This.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: henche on March 06, 2016, 09:58:58 PM
bought a raw brisket and the only ID was a little piece of paper inside that said OU and Nirbartur symbols. Was shrinkwrapped in plain clear plastic, with only a date code inkjetted on.
Bought from an eino yehudi.
Can i eat it?

I think so.  Call the OU.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on March 06, 2016, 10:10:39 PM
bought a raw brisket and the only ID was a little piece of paper inside that said OU and Nirbartur symbols. Was shrinkwrapped in plain clear plastic, with only a date code inkjetted on.
Bought from an eino yehudi.
Can i eat it?
shouldn't be that way. Is there anything stamped on the brisket itself? Generally they are only sold that way commercially in a box with straps . The stores that sell it that way (shop rite, jewel, etc.) Should be repacking under hashgacha.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Eliyohu on March 06, 2016, 10:11:24 PM
Always wondered about Wal-Mart brand great value frozen broccoli it has a K on it anyone know any info about it... is it kosher? Under who's hasgacha? Why no symbol just a K? (Only asking as i know there are products with just a K that are under reliable hechsherim but for some reason cant put thier symbol)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: tzifanya54 on March 06, 2016, 10:38:09 PM
Always wondered about Wal-Mart brand great value frozen broccoli it has a K on it anyone know any info about it... is it kosher? Under who's hasgacha? Why no symbol just a K? (Only asking as i know there are products with just a K that are under reliable hechsherim but for some reason cant put thier symbol)
Lots of frozen veggies have a K on it, as the product is essentially kosher. Since broccoli has a real bug problem, in no way are they certifying that its bug free. FWIU.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 06, 2016, 11:35:02 PM
I just stumbled upon this thread, and came across these quotes, that while a little dated are as relevant as ever, so I couldn't resist to add my .02

There is chasam sofer petach tikva and chasam sofer bnei brak.  Petach tikva is supposed to be the better hechsher
Kashrus being a very lucrative business, and a huge segment of the population (more so in EY) being Oilem Goilem, I have adopted a few rules of thumb in deciding which Hashgocho to accept "bechezkas Kashrus" (no pun intended):

1. Hashgocho organization/Rabbi MUST be local to either place of production or place of primary marketing (which is when Chasm Sofer BB lost their Chazoko). With exceptions made for production in places where there is no local Kehilla.

2. If it has any of the following words in the title, it has an extra גריעותא: Mehadrin, Mehadrin min HaMehadrin, Chumra, Hechsher. (Note that two of the most widely respected Hashgochos from EY, Eida Chareidis and Rav Landa BB don't say Mehadrin). Also, if the name of the agency has the words BADATZ in it, but the only Beis Din function it performs is Kashrus, it looses credibility in my eyes.

3. If a certain Hashgocho takes over another at a lucrative producer, and all of the sudden many additional lines become "Mehadrin", it raises my defenses.

4. If a certain Hashgocho will claim that they are the best (not specifically stating that they adhere to standard a b or c, which others might or might not, but actually using comparative terms such as better than, etc), relying on the most stringent shittos lechol hadeios, my defenses are up again.

5. When it comes to food establishments (as opposed to  commercial producers) I like to know who the owner is, my decision whether to trust or not will be based on a combination of the owner, Hashgocho (and occasionally personal acquaintance with mashgiach on premises whom I can ask questions of).
I don't eat any of the above, I feed it to my garbage if it makes it through my door.
To quote a greatly admired mashpia celebrating his 80th birthday these days: ״מ׳האט אויפגעהערט עסן כשר, און אנגעהויבן עסן הכשרים״
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: mgarfin on March 13, 2016, 10:42:06 AM
I was recently served a ksml from Shem Tov in Chile , I do not remember the ruv/hashgachas name, is it reliabel?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: mgarfin on March 13, 2016, 10:55:36 PM
What hechsher is behind K on Kellogg brand?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on March 13, 2016, 11:03:31 PM
What hechsher is behind K on Kellogg brand?
kvh (Boston, R' Krems)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 13, 2016, 11:03:57 PM
What hechsher is behind K on Kellogg brand?
Vaad of New England
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 13, 2016, 11:04:43 PM
kvh (Boston, R' Krems)

Vaad of New England
We both mean the same thing
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: mgarfin on March 13, 2016, 11:34:05 PM
kvh (Boston, R' Krems)
Vaad of New England

And is it reliable? Is it comparable to the OU, OK.....?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on March 13, 2016, 11:36:52 PM
And is it reliable? Is it comparable to the OU, OK.....?
I would say yes . R' Krems greatly improved the level of Kashrus at the KVH (based on speaking to several ou mashgichim who reviewed some of their facilities )
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: hide4 on March 28, 2016, 02:47:09 PM
The earl grey free sample tea doesn't have a hechsher. Does that mean it's not kosher?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: CS1 on March 28, 2016, 02:48:52 PM
The earl grey free sample tea doesn't have a hechsher. Does that mean it's not kosher?

probably not kosher. Which brand are you referring to?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: hide4 on March 28, 2016, 02:51:35 PM
probably not kosher. Which brand are you referring to?
Twinings
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: CS1 on March 28, 2016, 03:27:02 PM
Twinings

Is it manufactured in London? If so, it looks like ALL flavors are certified Kosher, Link: http://www.ka.org.au/index.php/Kosher_Alerts/Twinings_Tea_-_Kosher_Approved.html
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: 12HRS on March 28, 2016, 10:11:10 PM
Panera Bread company sliced bread under the KVH (good?) being sold in Aarons Kissena Farm under VHQ
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: dealfinder85 on March 29, 2016, 06:01:15 AM
Panera Bread company sliced bread under the KVH (good?) being sold in Aarons Kissena Farm under VHQ
You trust anonymous users on ddf over the vhq?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: 12HRS on March 29, 2016, 07:04:57 AM
You trust anonymous users on ddf over the vhq?

Some people are not anonymous to me.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: jack12 on March 29, 2016, 09:23:07 AM
Panera Bread company sliced bread under the KVH (good?) being sold in Aarons Kissena Farm under VHQ
Call the VHQ and ask (718) 520-9060
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: dealfinder85 on March 29, 2016, 09:33:02 AM
Some people are not anonymous to me.
Would you eat in any of their restaurants? I am confused why this item concerns you.  If it is bc of the hechsher, that hechsher is reliable for many products.  the problem is, its a product by product basis. I have asked the CRC about items under that hechsher in the past and it always depends on the item (friendlys item they said was fine). so if you rely on the VHQ, eat the bread. if you dont, dont eat at any of their establishments
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: skyguy918 on March 29, 2016, 09:49:26 AM
There happens to be at least one thing sold in Queens establishments that if you ask, VHQ will tell you they don't hold of. But that's a major exception, and I don't think it warrants questioning every item you see.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: dealfinder85 on March 29, 2016, 10:03:30 AM
There happens to be at least one thing sold in Queens establishments that if you ask, VHQ will tell you they don't hold of. But that's a major exception, and I don't think it warrants questioning every item you see.
really? then why do they allow it?
pm me what the item is?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: skyguy918 on March 29, 2016, 10:08:55 AM
really? then why do they allow it?
pm me what the item is?
I don't really get it myself. They can't completely not hold of it, otherwise that'd be insane. I image it's at least partially politics - both the part that they don't really hold of it and the part that they allow it anyway. Either way, my Rov tells his kehillah not to eat it based on discussions with VHQ, so I don't. (PM sent).
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 29, 2016, 01:58:52 PM
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/05/475847818f97c1754516942ee86a152d.jpg)Does anybody know if this is reliable?
I find the following items from this certificate very telling of the quality/reliablity of this "hashgacha":

"Is under the Hashgacha" - yet "NOT Supervised"
"כשר למהדרין" - as I've already pointed out, anyone making such a claim or statement is highly suspicious in my eyes.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: dealfinder85 on March 29, 2016, 02:15:07 PM
I find the following items from this certificate very telling of the quality/reliablity of this "hashgacha":

"Is under the Hashgacha" - yet "NOT Supervised"
"כשר למהדרין" - as I've already pointed out, anyone making such a claim or statement is highly suspicious in my eyes.
huh where does it say not supervised?
unless you are referring to the berries in which case you misunderstood
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 29, 2016, 03:32:25 PM
huh where does it say not supervised?
unless you are referring to the berries in which case you misunderstood
I see what you are saying.

I guess I might have misread this as it has 3 distinct lines, one saying Non Cholov Yisroel, the second saying Strawberries/Raspberries/Blackberries, and the third saying NOT under supervision.

In any event, even after being corrected on this, I find that such a certificate speaks volumes about the quality of the Hashgocho. Many certificates for establishments will have a disclaimer about pre-packaged goods sold (such as soda, snacks, etc.), but I find it quite unusual to say certain items SERVED are not supervised.

Also, the word מהדרין is a reason for concern. The best and most reputable hashgochos do not use it, here it is used, and I would ask - even if one thinks it has any validity - what in this case is the Hiddur Kashrus? The non-Cholov Yisroel? The Berries? The fact that the establishment is open for business on Shabbos?

I challenge anyone to prove me wrong and show me how adding the word "מהדרין" to a Hashgocho makes it more reliable or more of a Hiddur Kashrus?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: dealfinder85 on March 29, 2016, 03:51:14 PM
I see what you are saying.

I guess I might have misread this as it has 3 distinct lines, one saying Non Cholov Yisroel, the second saying Strawberries/Raspberries/Blackberries, and the third saying NOT under supervision.

In any event, even after being corrected on this, I find that such a certificate speaks volumes about the quality of the Hashgocho. Many certificates for establishments will have a disclaimer about pre-packaged goods sold (such as soda, snacks, etc.), but I find it quite unusual to say certain items SERVED are not supervised.

Also, the word מהדרין is a reason for concern. The best and most reputable hashgochos do not use it, here it is used, and I would ask - even if one thinks it has any validity - what in this case is the Hiddur Kashrus? The non-Cholov Yisroel? The Berries? The fact that the establishment is open for business on Shabbos?

I challenge anyone to prove me wrong and show me how adding the word "מהדרין" to a Hashgocho makes it more reliable or more of a Hiddur Kashrus?
I agree that mehadrin in America doesn't mean much, especially when the major hechsherim don't use it, and this hechsher has some re'usas against it. I personally wouldn't rely on this hashgacha, but I don't think the berries thing is so crazy
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 29, 2016, 03:52:26 PM
I agree that mehadrin in America doesn't mean much, especially when the major hechsherim don't use it, and this hechsher has some re'usas against it. I personally wouldn't rely on this hashgacha, but I don't think the berries thing is so crazy
Where does it mean anything?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: dealfinder85 on March 29, 2016, 03:56:38 PM
Where does it mean anything?
Israel? not that its the be all end all, but it does mean something
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 29, 2016, 04:53:07 PM
Israel? not that its the be all end all, but it does mean something
What makes you think adding the word מהדרין has any real significance (other than business/money)?

The most reputable Hashgochos in Eretz Yisroel - Rav Moshe Landa of Bnei Brak and Badatz Eida Chareidis (which serves many other purposes other than Kashrus, hence the word Badatz, as opposed to all the other "Badatz'n" that are purely a Kashrus business) do not have the word מהדרין in their hashgocho!
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: henche on March 29, 2016, 05:00:21 PM
Would you eat in any of their restaurants? I am confused why this item concerns you.  If it is bc of the hechsher, that hechsher is reliable for many products.  the problem is, its a product by product basis. I have asked the CRC about items under that hechsher in the past and it always depends on the item (friendlys item they said was fine). so if you rely on the VHQ, eat the bread. if you dont, dont eat at any of their establishments

CRC doesn't recommend the Vaad of Queens either. 
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: elya on March 29, 2016, 06:14:08 PM
CRC doesn't recommend the Vaad of Queens either.
Interesting. Seems like they don't recommend the Vaad of Flatbush, or Rabbi Gornish either.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: skyguy918 on March 29, 2016, 07:24:45 PM
CRC doesn't recommend the Vaad of Queens either.
This is apparently a recent thing - IE crc removed vhq from the list. What I don't get is if you're gonna take a hechsher off, it should come with some sort of explanation.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 29, 2016, 07:46:52 PM
What I don't get is if you're gonna take a hechsher off, it should come with some sort of explanation.
Why?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: skyguy918 on March 29, 2016, 07:55:38 PM
Why?
Well, it's one thing if a hechsher was never on the list. But if it used to be on the list, that means that at some point, the CRC was vouching for it. So if they're no longer vouching for the hechsher, what happened to change that? I'm not saying they're absolutely responsible to provide an explanation, I'm just saying it's puzzling.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 29, 2016, 07:59:07 PM
Well, it's one thing if a hechsher was never on the list. But if it used to be on the list, that means that at some point, the CRC was vouching for it. So if they're no longer vouching for the hechsher, what happened to change that? I'm not saying they're absolutely responsible to provide an explanation, I'm just saying it's puzzling.
I think it would only cause confusion. All it takes is one item which they can't recommend.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: skyguy918 on March 29, 2016, 08:08:08 PM
I think it would only cause confusion. All it takes is one item which they can't recommend.
VHQ is a local hechsher that certifies restaurants and caterers. So I'm not sure how that applies.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 29, 2016, 08:50:48 PM
VHQ is a local hechsher that certifies restaurants and caterers. So I'm not sure how that applies.
So if they serve raspberries and CRC feels you would be unable to rely on that they would their be unable to recommend relying on them since you may buy raspberries.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: incendia on March 29, 2016, 09:40:44 PM
it begs the question of what the CRC list is/ does? is it a list of hechsharim that conform to the CRC's own halachik standards or is it a list of hecharim that oparate within the Orthodox framework of halacha. For example lets say the CRC only allows yoshon and it finds out that a hechsher is certifying food made with chodosh, so they remove the hechsher form its list. That doesnt mean that its a bad hechsher it just means it doesnt hold by the chmrua of yoshon.

Its also a possibility that a hechsher could have the highest halachik standards and still removed from the list because it has poor follow through with inspections.

If you go exclusively by the list then there are many eateries in Flatbush and Queens that are off limits to you.

Without knowing what goes into making the list its hard to tell how exhaustive the list is.

Until someone can give me a reason why a known hechsher like VHQ or Vaad of Flatbush I'll continue to trust them, [ and if you give me a reason it has to me more than innuendo]
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 29, 2016, 09:48:51 PM
it begs the question of what the CRC list is/ does? is it a list of hechsharim that conform to the CRC's own halachik standards or is it a list of hecharim that oparate within the Orthodox framework of halacha. For example lets say the CRC only allows yoshon and it finds out that a hechsher is certifying food made with chodosh, so they remove the hechsher form its list. That doesnt mean that its a bad hechsher it just means it doesnt hold by the chmrua of yoshon.

Its also a possibility that a hechsher could have the highest halachik standards and still removed from the list because it has poor follow through with inspections.

If you go exclusively by the list then there are many eateries in Flatbush and Queens that are off limits to you.

Without knowing what goes into making the list its hard to tell how exhaustive the list is.

Until someone can give me a reason why a known hechsher like VHQ or Vaad of Flatbush I'll continue to trust them, [ and if you give me a reason it has to me more than innuendo]
There is a difference between their having a standard and their feeling that something is assur
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: skyguy918 on March 29, 2016, 10:01:52 PM
So if they serve raspberries and CRC feels you would be unable to rely on that they would their be unable to recommend relying on them since you may buy raspberries.
Right, but where does the confusion come in. Just state why you decided you can't trust them anymore.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: incendia on March 29, 2016, 10:20:09 PM

There is a difference between their having a standard and their feeling that something is assur

yes and no there are somethings that some think are assur and  others think or ok,  chalav stam  for instance.

I get what you are saying but without knowing why the CRC includes or excludes and org from its list Im still going to eat by the VHQ.

its also important to understand that its a list of orgs that the CRC recommends, that doesnt meant that if its not on the list its isnt kosher. I dont recommend that people travel on Spirit Airlines  that doesnt mean Spirit wont get you from point A to Point B safe and sound.


PS the cynic in me finds it odd that the gold standard list is made by kashrus org. I doubt that the VHQ compete in anyway, but its hard to be an industry watchdog when you are part of the industry
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 29, 2016, 10:31:48 PM
yes and no there are somethings that some think are assur and  others think or ok,  chalav stam  for instance.

I get what you are saying but without knowing why the CRC includes or excludes and org from its list Im still going to eat by the VHQ.

its also important to understand that its a list of orgs that the CRC recommends, that doesnt meant that if its not on the list its isnt kosher. I dont recommend that people travel on Spirit Airlines  that doesnt mean Spirit wont get you from point A to Point B safe and sound.


PS the cynic in me finds it odd that the gold standard list is made by kashrus org. I doubt that the VHQ compete in anyway, but its hard to be an industry watchdog when you are part of the industry
They are not saying that you shouldn't eat from them just because it is not on the list.They are not trying to be watchdogs either. They are doing a service that people who are not familiar can have a point of reference. As such there are those who need to be excluded due to something like raspberries.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: skyguy918 on March 30, 2016, 12:18:41 AM
They are not saying that you shouldn't eat from them just because it is not on the list.They are not trying to be watchdogs either. They are doing a service that people who are not familiar can have a point of reference. As such there are those who need to be excluded due to something like raspberries.
Are you repeating raspberries because you know or think that's what this exclusion was about?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Emkay on March 30, 2016, 01:51:02 AM
Israel? not that its the be all end all, but it does mean something
Nope. Means absolutely nothing there either.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Drago on March 30, 2016, 02:40:30 AM
Nope. Means absolutely nothing there either.
@emkay and I only trust hechsherim that are in Hebrew, lashon hakodesh
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Emkay on March 30, 2016, 02:42:28 AM
@emkay and I only trust hechsherim that are in Hebrew, lashon hakodesh
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: tzifanya54 on March 30, 2016, 02:59:54 AM
They are not saying that you shouldn't eat from them just because it is not on the list.They are not trying to be watchdogs either. They are doing a service that people who are not familiar can have a point of reference. As such there are those who need to be excluded due to something like raspberries.
+1
They actually clearly write:  The fact that a particular agency does not appear on this list does not imply that the cRc has determined it to be substandard.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 30, 2016, 08:05:26 AM
Are you repeating raspberries because you know or think that's what this exclusion was about?
No it is just hypothetical
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: skyguy918 on March 30, 2016, 08:49:19 AM
+1
They actually clearly write:  The fact that a particular agency does not appear on this list does not imply that the cRc has determined it to be substandard.
And that explanation would apply to a hechsher that had never appeared on their list. But we're talking about a hechsher that they only recently removed from their list.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Boruch999 on March 30, 2016, 10:15:25 AM
Nope. Means absolutely nothing there either.

Mehadrin in Israel allows a rabbanut to circumvent a law requiring them to accept as kosher anything certified by any other rabbanut.  Hence, Rabbanut Yerushalaim, in a restaurant where they give non mehadrin hashgocha, must allow a product certified kosher by rabbanut ramalah.  If they provide mehadrin hashgacha they can chose not to allow a product certified my rabbanut ramalah.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 30, 2016, 03:01:25 PM
Mehadrin in Israel allows a rabbanut to circumvent a law requiring them to accept as kosher anything certified by any other rabbanut.  Hence, Rabbanut Yerushalaim, in a restaurant where they give non mehadrin hashgocha, must allow a product certified kosher by rabbanut ramalah.  If they provide mehadrin hashgacha they can chose not to allow a product certified my rabbanut ramalah.
But still doesn't mean much about the specific "Mehadrin" hasgocho. It's just that they might be able to pick and choose.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Boruch999 on March 30, 2016, 03:03:21 PM
But still doesn't mean much about the specific "Mehadrin" hasgocho. It's just that they might be able to pick and choose.
Correct
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 30, 2016, 03:06:34 PM
Correct
So I am yet to be proven wrong on this.

The challenge is still on for anyone to prove that the word "מהדרין" or בד״ץ actually means anything for the quality/reliability of a hasgocho. I still hold that in almost all cases these terms have nothing to do with Kashrus and everything to do with marketing.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 30, 2016, 04:54:58 PM
But still doesn't mean much about the specific "Mehadrin" hasgocho. It's just that they might be able to pick and choose.
That is a very big difference.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 30, 2016, 05:31:15 PM
That is a very big difference.
There's a big difference between Chinese and Japanese, yet they are both meaningless to me.

By slapping on a "Mehadrin" label, a local rabbanut might be allowed to be more selective, but it is still usually all about marketing.

And while the argument has successfully been made that in Eretz Yisroel there is a meaning to the word "מהדרין" on Rabbanut Hashgochos, that doesn't automatically make any Hashgocho with the word "מהדרין" in it, even if it is from any given Rabbanut, any more trustworthy in my eyes. For all I know, they might be selective, and approve of things that I wouldn't dream of approving in my kitchen.

The two Hashgochos which are in a totally different league than all others in many aspects seem to be Badatz Eida Chareidis, and Rav Landa of Bnei Brak.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 30, 2016, 05:33:57 PM
There's a big difference between Chinese and Japanese, yet they are both meaningless to me.

By slapping on a "Mehadrin" label, a local rabbanut might be allowed to be more selective, but it is still usually all about marketing.

And while the argument has successfully been made that in Eretz Yisroel there is a meaning to the word "מהדרין" on Rabbanut Hashgochos, that doesn't automatically make any Hashgocho with the word "מהדרין" in it, even if it is from any given Rabbanut, any more trustworthy in my eyes. For all I know, they might be selective, and approve of things that I wouldn't dream of approving in my kitchen.

The two Hashgochos which are in a totally different league than all others in many aspects seem to be Badatz Eida Chareidis, and Rav Landa of Bnei Brak.
That is certainly true. Never use anything in the name as a way of knowing about the hechsher.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 30, 2016, 05:43:41 PM
That is certainly true. Never use anything in the name as a way of knowing about the hechsher.
So can we agree that "מהדרין" in a name of Hashgocho (הכשר means taking something that isn't kosher and making it kosher, I don't want to be that libelous) is a ריעותא if you know nothing else about the Hashgocho? Or in other words (excuse my language): מהדרין=BS

If it would be truly מהודר, it's reputation would stand for itself, no marketing word needed.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 30, 2016, 05:54:29 PM
So can we agree that "מהדרין" in a name of Hashgocho (הכשר means taking something that isn't kosher and making it kosher, I don't want to be that libelous) is a ריעותא if you know nothing else about the Hashgocho? Or in other words (excuse my language): מהדרין=BS

If it would be truly מהודר, it's reputation would stand for itself, no marketing word needed.
No. There would be some rabanuts which may be good as mehadrin but not without it.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 30, 2016, 07:03:08 PM
No. There would be some rabanuts which may be good as mehadrin but not without it.
So it's about the reputation, not about the word מהדרין.

They might just as well write for example "תחת השגחת רבנות רחובות - בהגבלה" and people might know that it would be up to certain standards that they might publicize.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 30, 2016, 07:06:06 PM
So it's about the reputation, not about the word מהדרין.

They might just as well write for example "תחת השגחת רבנות רחובות - בהגבלה" and people might know that it would be up to certain standards that they might publicize.
Sort of. It is the word mehadrin which allows it to be selective. They cannot say that a different rabbanut is not kosher. They can say it is not as mehadrin as ours. Look at it as if the OU had a separate label called OU mehadrin which was only cholov yisroel etc.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 30, 2016, 07:27:02 PM
They can say it is not as mehadrin as ours.
That sounds like a holier than though slippery slope. I don't buy it.

Look at it as if the OU had a separate label called OU mehadrin which was only cholov yisroel etc.
Would be a ריעותא for the OU in my eyes.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 31, 2016, 01:18:12 PM
Kirkland salmon is no longer OU
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 31, 2016, 01:43:55 PM
Kirkland salmon is no longer OU
Never used Kirkland salmon as it is sold without סימנים and doesn't have a משגיח תמידי at packaging.

I don't think OK or Kof-K allow such things with fish.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 31, 2016, 03:19:30 PM
Kirkland salmon is no longer OU
Eta maybe it's just a packaging error
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: dealfinder85 on March 31, 2016, 03:24:41 PM
Never used Kirkland salmon as it is sold without סימנים and doesn't have a משגיח תמידי at packaging.

I don't think OK or Kof-K allow such things with fish.
The CRC is ok with it
So between the CRC and OU being fine with it, not sure why you had to step in here
We get it, you are very frum
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: cs50 on March 31, 2016, 03:46:48 PM

Kirkland salmon is no longer OU

Still on their website as certified.

Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 31, 2016, 03:55:15 PM
The CRC is ok with it
So between the CRC and OU being fine with it, not sure why you had to step in here
We get it, you are very frum

Not requiring a mashgiach temidi for fish nowadays is a famous kula which the OU has from Rav Soloveitchik. Rav Moshe disagreed and many hechsherim follow his psak. Rav Belsky also told people that he recommended being machmir.

That said, The OU has a position that orange fish is always kosher since there do not exist any non-kosher fish with orange or red flesh. Even though some say that color was added that can only be done by feeding the fish food high in beta carotene and will only enhance the color in fish with naturally colored flesh. Their position is that this will work like simanim. If so than R Moshe would not apply here.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 31, 2016, 04:11:38 PM
That said, The OU has a position that orange fish is always kosher since there do not exist any non-kosher fish with orange or red flesh. Even though some say that color was added that can only be done by feeding the fish food high in beta carotene and will only enhance the color in fish with naturally colored flesh. Their position is that this will work like simanim. If so than R Moshe would not apply here.

I have heard that argument once, and brought it up with someone I really trust when it comes to Kashrus (full disclosure - he does work for OK, though I've found him to take personal positions that are not congruent with OK official positions) and he told me that he inquired into this with people in the fish industry, and was told that the orange color (which comes 100% from the feed) can show up either in Salmon or in Shark!

What more does one have to say, if Rav Belsky himself recommended to be machmir in this?

I am able to buy fresh salmon for great prices with skin on, so I have no reason to seek this kind of kula.

and as for
you are very frum

I take that as a personal insult (כידוע הר"ת פרו"ם, וד"ל).
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 31, 2016, 04:13:32 PM
I have heard that argument once, and brought it up with someone I really trust when it comes to Kashrus (full disclosure - he does work for OK, though I've found him to take personal positions that are not congruent with OK official positions) and he told me that he inquired into this with people in the fish industry, and was told that the orange color (which comes 100% from the feed) can show up either in Salmon or in Shark!

What more does one have to say, if Rav Belsky himself recommended to be machmir in this?

I am able to buy fresh salmon for great prices with skin on, so I have no reason to seek this kind of kula.

and as for
I take that as a personal insult (כידוע הר"ת פרו"ם, וד"ל).
Rav Belsky does not say to be machmir regarding the color.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 31, 2016, 04:16:01 PM
Rav Belsky does not say to be machmir regarding the color.
I understood that. But for the color issue I brought up a different opinion from someone I trust (though everything is taken with a grain of salt).

If the OU is meikel with regards to Mashgiach Temidi with Fish, why at all would they care about the Orange color?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 31, 2016, 04:17:46 PM
https://oukosher.org/blog/consumer-kosher/salmon-colored-with-astaxanthin/
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 31, 2016, 04:19:34 PM
If the OU is meikel with regards to Mashgiach Temidi with Fish, why at all would they care about the Orange color?
That still would not mean that anything can be accepted with no verification method.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 31, 2016, 04:24:21 PM
https://oukosher.org/blog/consumer-kosher/salmon-colored-with-astaxanthin/

Thank you very much for this. Very educating, I will bring this up with my source and see what he says. He specifically named Shark as the only other fish that would turn Orange/Pink with the food additive. I will try to research this further to see if there's any other תנא דמסייע that says that Shark might also change color based on this food additive.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 31, 2016, 05:08:45 PM
https://oukosher.org/blog/consumer-kosher/the-kashrus-of-skinless-salmon/
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 31, 2016, 05:21:47 PM
https://oukosher.org/blog/consumer-kosher/the-kashrus-of-skinless-salmon/

Thank you again. Very educating.

I found this http://fooduniversity.com/foodu/seafood_c/resources/ocean%20fin/Cold%20Water/Swordfish/swordfish.htm which seems to indicate a species of non-kosher fish with pink-orange color, but the size is completely different (no clue about texture of flavor).
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: sb613 on March 31, 2016, 07:04:40 PM
You are mixing up two separate issues:
1) regarding salmon all national hechsherim including the OU, OK  and Kof-k any many others rely on the color for fresh or cold smoked (no bishul) products.
2) regarding tuna fish - the OU is the only hechsher to certify it without Mashgiach timidi (except for OU-p products).
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 31, 2016, 07:29:43 PM
You are mixing up two separate issues:
1) regarding salmon all national hechsherim including the OU, OK  and Kof-k any many others rely on the color for fresh or cold smoked (no bishul) products.
2) regarding tuna fish - the OU is the only hechsher to certify it without Mashgiach timidi (except for OU-p products).
Who is mixing those up?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: sb613 on March 31, 2016, 07:38:50 PM
Never used Kirkland salmon as it is sold without סימנים and doesn't have a משגיח תמידי at packaging.

I don't think OK or Kof-K allow such things with fish.

Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: cholent on April 04, 2016, 09:53:23 AM
Eta maybe it's just a packaging error
I clarified with rabbi Elefant that it is in fact a packaging error at one of their plants and it remains certified
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 14, 2016, 06:46:08 PM
Who gives a hechsher on Omaha steaks - kosher option?
Which steaks will I receive? Csr was clueless
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 17, 2016, 12:12:31 PM
Who gives a hechsher on Omaha steaks - kosher option?
Which steaks will I receive? Csr was clueless
Eta. It arrived. - has stickers only on the outside of the package.
Is it kosher??
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160617/b71ae6b4f70fb80b2450665ddf33972e.jpg)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: cholent on June 17, 2016, 12:39:44 PM
Eta. It arrived. - has stickers only on the outside of the package.
Is it kosher??
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160617/b71ae6b4f70fb80b2450665ddf33972e.jpg)
What type of steaks? Price?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 17, 2016, 12:40:33 PM
The ones in the picture
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on June 17, 2016, 12:42:21 PM
Call the ou and see what they tell you. There may be stuff you don't know about
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: CS1 on June 17, 2016, 12:54:57 PM
The ones in the picture

the Omaha Steaks company delivers that? That's a good meat (Rubashkin/Iowa/AgriStar). What cut is that? And which link do you use to order?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 17, 2016, 01:06:47 PM
the Omaha Steaks company delivers that? That's a good meat (Rubashkin/Iowa/AgriStar). What cut is that? And which link do you use to order?
It's called "flt of prime rib kosher 2/8 oz"
Came part of a gift..
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: cholent on June 17, 2016, 01:26:22 PM
The ones in the picture

Very funny. I meant what cut, which isn't specified in the picture.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 17, 2016, 01:39:17 PM
Very funny. I meant what cut, which isn't specified in the picture.
Sorry was multitasking my bad
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 17, 2016, 01:40:05 PM
Call the ou and see what they tell you. There may be stuff you don't know about
I emailed them. But pashtus it's no good. Right?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: 12HRS on June 17, 2016, 02:13:39 PM
how easy is to peel off those stickers without ruining them?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on June 17, 2016, 02:19:00 PM
I emailed them. But pashtus it's no good. Right?
Pashtus it is good because the ou would have a good system.
Maybe call.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 17, 2016, 02:33:14 PM
Pashtus it is good because the ou would have a good system.
Maybe call.
This arrived in sealed Omaha steak boxes via ups.
Where is the chosam exactly?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on June 17, 2016, 02:45:37 PM
This arrived in sealed Omaha steak boxes via ups.
Where is the chosam exactly?
I don't know but it is unlikely that it was packaged with nothing
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: CS1 on June 17, 2016, 03:04:22 PM
Pashtus it is good because the ou would have a good system.
Maybe call.
This arrived in sealed Omaha steak boxes via ups.
Where is the chosam exactly?

The stickers/labels are under the plastic and inside, touching the meat. Correct? Another company can't do that. And, Aron's has a limited number of labels under guarded supervision.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 17, 2016, 03:15:46 PM
The stickers/labels are under the plastic and inside, touching the meat. Correct? Another company can't do that. And, Aron's has a limited number of labels under guarded supervision.
Stickers are outside plastic
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 20, 2016, 03:54:47 PM
Pashtus it is good because the ou would have a good system.
Maybe call.
No response to email.
Whats the number to call ?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on June 20, 2016, 04:11:10 PM
No response to email.
Whats the number to call ?
https://oukosher.org/contact-us/
Orthodox Union
11 Broadway, 14th Floor
New York, NY 10004
General Inquiries:
212-563-4000

Consumer Hotline:
212-613-8241
kosherq@ou.org

New Company Application Information:
Ms. Phyllis Koegel
212-613-8372
newcompanies@ou.org
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on June 20, 2016, 08:39:30 PM
I emailed them. But pashtus it's no good. Right?
take a look at שו"ע יו"ד סימן ק"ל סעיף ד and the ט"ז there
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 20, 2016, 09:07:18 PM
take a look at שו"ע יו"ד סימן ק"ל סעיף ד and the ט"ז there
Cant look it through now....
Over here the meat looks like it was repackaged by Omaha steaks. (The plastic vacum)
When you buy meat from ShopRite that comes from agri, iirc it has a more fool proof seal. Not just a little sticker on the outside.

You think it's ok?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: A3 on June 20, 2016, 10:54:18 PM
Cant look it through now....
Over here the meat looks like it was repackaged by Omaha steaks. (The plastic vacum)
When you buy meat from ShopRite that comes from agri, iirc it has a more fool proof seal. Not just a little sticker on the outside.

You think it's ok?
Did you open it up? There may be additional marks on the inside
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: CS1 on June 21, 2016, 09:06:05 AM
Perhaps you can ask Agristar if you cannot reach the OU for an answer.

Where is there even a Glatt kosher meat option on the Omaha Steaks site? I looked at a few pages and did not fine one.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 21, 2016, 09:23:47 AM
Perhaps you can ask Agristar if you cannot reach the OU for an answer.

Where is there even a Glatt kosher meat option on the Omaha Steaks site? I looked at a few pages and did not fine one.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.omahasteaks.com/gifs/KosherProducts.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwiLivrJm7nNAhUD9WMKHX45AMIQFggvMAA&usg=AFQjCNGcXck-k2zLqtk6xZk6ZzrWHGjqWw&sig2=YsZ_yPVC0DouCfRXKUjrxQ
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: CS1 on June 21, 2016, 10:28:41 AM
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.omahasteaks.com/gifs/KosherProducts.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwiLivrJm7nNAhUD9WMKHX45AMIQFggvMAA&usg=AFQjCNGcXck-k2zLqtk6xZk6ZzrWHGjqWw&sig2=YsZ_yPVC0DouCfRXKUjrxQ

that's interesting. It doesn't show up on their website, neither in search or even by code. The Aaron's brand is fine -- as long as that's what this meat is. Let's hear what the OU says about it.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: theduke on June 21, 2016, 10:38:05 AM
Perhaps you can ask Agristar if you cannot reach the OU for an answer.

Where is there even a Glatt kosher meat option on the Omaha Steaks site? I looked at a few pages and did not fine one.
they don't really offer kosher meat as a regular service. When a company is sending out gifts via Omaha they arrange to kosher meat for them. They just purchase ot from a 3rd party, it doesn't necessarily mean it is the same quality of meat that Omaha purports to be.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 21, 2016, 10:40:41 AM
that's interesting. It doesn't show up on their website, neither in search or even by code. The Aaron's brand is fine -- as long as that's what this meat is. Let's hear what the OU says about it.
Yeah. Spoke to someone. They'll get back to me
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: CS1 on June 21, 2016, 10:41:13 AM
they don't really offer kosher meat as a regular service. When a company is sending out gifts via Omaha they arrange to kosher meat for them. They just purchase ot from a 3rd party, it doesn't necessarily mean it is the same quality of meat that Omaha purports to be.

yes, they are quite upscale. a non-kosher ribeye is $110 for 48oz. bone-in: http://www.omahasteaks.com/product/KING-CUT%3A-48-oz-Ribeye-on-the-Bone-02524?ITMSUF=WZA&shoptype=SEARCH&shopsrc=TRMbeef+ribeye+steak
Title: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: 3yummyboys on June 24, 2016, 08:26:45 AM
Does anyone know who gives this hechsher?(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160624/442633aa91e83318929ef5e472468027.jpg)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: dealfinder85 on June 24, 2016, 08:38:31 AM
Does anyone know who gives this hechsher?(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160624/442633aa91e83318929ef5e472468027.jpg)
first result on google...
http://www.rabbispivak.org/spivak2.htm
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: 3yummyboys on June 24, 2016, 12:03:37 PM
first result on google...
http://www.rabbispivak.org/spivak2.htm

What did you put it Google?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: dealfinder85 on June 24, 2016, 12:14:45 PM
What did you put it Google?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=uks+hechsher
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 24, 2016, 12:30:47 PM
Yeah. Spoke to someone. They'll get back to me
They said it's fine
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: username on June 24, 2016, 12:31:30 PM
They said it's fine
reason being?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 24, 2016, 12:31:45 PM
reason being?
No idea
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: username on June 24, 2016, 12:33:48 PM
Of course they said its fine.
/cynical font/

next time ask a rav, not an agency.

Thats what they told me as well, but they didnt explain.
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=16659.msg1427392#msg1427392
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on June 24, 2016, 03:55:17 PM
Of course they said its fine.
/cynical font/

next time ask a rav, not an agency.

Thats what they told me as well, but they didnt explain.
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=16659.msg1427392#msg1427392
take a look at שו"ע יו"ד סימן ק"ל סעיף ד and the ט"ז there
ETA: also see עו"ז דף ע תוס שם
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 30, 2016, 09:17:37 PM
ETA: also see עו"ז דף ע תוס שם
Ok.. working on it. Completed the tos there and on daf ל area. 

Didn't start the tu"so yet. For now the meat is in the freezer.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: CS1 on June 30, 2016, 09:20:01 PM
Ok.. working on it. Completed the tos there and on daf ל area. 

Didn't start the tu"so yet. For now the meat is in the freezer.

So does this mean that you can actually order Kosher Aaron's rib steaks shipped from Omaha steaks? Is this seasonal?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 30, 2016, 09:46:43 PM
So does this mean that you can actually order Kosher Aaron's rib steaks shipped from Omaha steaks? Is this seasonal?
Mine was part of my (very large) company summer gift to all employees...  It's possible that they offer special kosher/halal etc only as part of this deal. But not to regular retail customers.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Cheesecake on July 01, 2016, 01:59:27 AM
VHQ has been back on the cRc list for a month.

There was never a valid reason they were off.

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160701/30486b2b74685a79b87e3b0e926c5b8a.jpg)

http://www.crcweb.org/agency_list.php
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: shwarmabob on July 03, 2016, 09:51:47 AM
anyone can confirm that water buffalo is kosher?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Emkay on July 03, 2016, 12:31:52 PM
anyone can confirm that water buffalo is kosher?
What does that mean? Do you want to know if people eat it? Yes.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on July 03, 2016, 02:07:29 PM
anyone can confirm that water buffalo is kosher?
Can anyone confirm that this is the place to ask serious Kashrus questions (as in whether something is actually kosher or not, vs questions regarding specific hasgocho, hiddurim, chumros, kullos, etc).
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Cheesecake on July 03, 2016, 02:22:06 PM
Can anyone confirm that this is the place to ask serious Kashrus questions (as in whether something is actually kosher or not, vs questions regarding specific hasgocho, hiddurim, chumros, kullos, etc).
Nothing wrong with asking.

Just don't rely on the answers.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on July 03, 2016, 02:43:55 PM
Nothing wrong with asking.

Just don't rely on the answers.
That's called pure דברים בטלים. Ask a question when you know the answer is useless.

Can water buffalo be eaten with cheesecake?  ;D
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on July 03, 2016, 02:50:47 PM
Can anyone confirm that this is the place to ask serious Kashrus questions (as in whether something is actually kosher or not, vs questions regarding specific hasgocho, hiddurim, chumros, kullos, etc).
Quite often people here state their opinions with sources to back them up when that is done there's nothing wrong with relying on those sources
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on July 03, 2016, 04:11:54 PM
That's called pure דברים בטלים. Ask a question when you know the answer is useless.

Can water buffalo be eaten with cheesecake?  ;D

The answers here aren't necessarily useless, but you should be asking your LOR.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on July 03, 2016, 05:43:36 PM
The answers here aren't necessarily useless, but you should be asking your LOR.

I agree that answers here are not useless, but there are different kinds of answers. A question such as "is water buffalo kosher" falls into a totally different category than "what are the standards of XXX?" or "is VHQ approved by CRC?" etc.

Let's start with the fact that any LIVING animal is not Kosher unless it was properly slaughtered, checked for treifus, soaked, salted, etc.

I would presume that one would, at a bare minimum, require those processes to be under a certain reliable supervision. So if that was the case, where does "is water buffalo kosher" question come in?

Or is it a שוחט asking the question? In that case, he should probably ask whoever gave him his קבלה.

The question would be totally different if phrased along the lines of: "is there kosher water buffalo?", which would include not only the question about the animal, which in this forum is pure דברים בטלים, but whether anyone is aware of Kosher Shechita of Water Buffalo.

And by saying דברים בטלים, I don't mean that the ANSWERS are useless, I mean that the QUESTION is POINTLESS. However, if we got some חידודי so that people can phrase their questions better, maybe there is a point to it...
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Cheesecake on July 03, 2016, 06:09:48 PM
That's called pure דברים בטלים. Ask a question when you know the answer is useless.

Can water buffalo be eaten with cheesecake?  ;D
The answer may provide mareh m'komos or insight which the person asking hadn't though of but makes sense to him.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: mgarfin on July 03, 2016, 06:19:36 PM
This company jacks gourmet has an OU and Kehilah Kashrus (Flatbush Community Kashrus Organization)

Is the latter a plus?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Cheesecake on July 03, 2016, 06:20:57 PM
This company jacks gourmet has an OU and Kehilah Kashrus (Flatbush Community Kashrus Organization)

Is the latter a plus?
Yes
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on July 03, 2016, 06:33:36 PM
Yes
not always (for instance the latest Bedikas tola'im  scandal)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Cheesecake on July 03, 2016, 08:52:12 PM
not always (for instance the latest Bedikas tola'im  scandal)
This?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Luvtotravel on July 04, 2016, 12:54:14 PM
does anyone have any updated info on whether the restaurants in spain have good certification. i understand that this is completely relative, but im asking from a simple glatt kosher/cy perspective
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Sholom123 on July 12, 2016, 05:34:40 PM
is VHQ - Vaad Harbanim of Queens meat always Glatt?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on July 12, 2016, 05:59:40 PM
is VHQ - Vaad Harbanim of Queens meat always Glatt?

Why don't you ask them http://queensvaad.org/
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: dealfinder85 on July 13, 2016, 09:02:50 AM
is VHQ - Vaad Harbanim of Queens meat always Glatt?
do any reputable hechsherim allow meat that isnt glatt?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: username on July 13, 2016, 09:30:22 AM
do any reputable hechsherim allow meat that isnt glatt?
Rabbi Zeilingold from S Paul. Mostly used in foodservice like nursing homes and the like.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: dealfinder85 on July 13, 2016, 09:52:50 AM
Rabbi Zeilingold from S Paul. Mostly used in foodservice like nursing homes and the like.
so you are comparing him to the VHQ?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: @Yehuda on July 14, 2016, 09:36:04 AM
Anyone know if Starbucks "sweetener" that they put in iced coffee is Kosher?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Iz on August 02, 2016, 09:08:55 AM
Are Quaker Breakfast Flats (Banana honey nut) kosher? Pareve? Thanks.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: CS1 on August 02, 2016, 09:15:54 AM
Rabbi Zeilingold from S Paul. Mostly used in foodservice like nursing homes and the like.
so you are comparing him to the VHQ?
It is my understanding that Rabbi Zeilengold is no longer doing hashgocha.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: MeirS on August 09, 2016, 03:22:41 PM
Don't get me wrong but does anyone know if pomegranate meals are Lubavitcher Shechita?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: koplonko on August 09, 2016, 05:29:55 PM
Don't get me wrong but does anyone know if pomegranate meals are Lubavitcher Shechita?
Why in the world would you think that?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on August 09, 2016, 07:01:00 PM
Don't get me wrong but does anyone know if pomegranate meals are Lubavitcher Shechita?
1. What's your definition of Lubavitcher Shechita?
2. Why would you think pomegranate would choose to consistently use 1 except if it creates a permanent business advantage for them (greater market, better pricing, etc)?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: MeirS on August 09, 2016, 09:01:13 PM
Why in the world would you think that?
Who said I do?

1. What's your definition of Lubavitcher Shechita?

David Elliot, Shor Habor.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on August 09, 2016, 09:05:27 PM

David Elliot, Shor Habor.
Those are two different animals (sorry, I couldn't resist the pun - but there are indeed differences).
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: MeirS on August 10, 2016, 01:26:29 AM
Those are two different animals (sorry, I couldn't resist the pun - but there are indeed differences).
True. IINM the most noticeable difference is chicken or meat.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on August 10, 2016, 05:12:54 PM
True. IINM the most noticeable difference is chicken or meat.
That was the Pun. There are other differences. I know people that will use David Elliot but not Shor HaBor.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: username on August 12, 2016, 12:21:28 PM
Don't get me wrong but does anyone know if pomegranate meals are Lubavitcher Shechita?
" No Lubabichers were harmed in the making of this meal"
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on August 12, 2016, 12:52:15 PM
" No Lubabichers were harmed in the making of this meal"
ALOL
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on August 12, 2016, 12:54:38 PM
" No Lubabichers were harmed in the making of this meal"
Reminds me of a story I once heard from an elderly Chosid. He said that years ago there was some arguments regarding using sea salt for kashering meat. One of the Rabbonim then commented, that for this issue one has to defer to Satmar ווייל אין צאפן בלוט זיינען זיי מומחים.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Zevi16 on August 14, 2016, 04:26:04 PM
Is it brought down anywhere about pas akum that if you are not near pas yisroel then it is lekatchila to it?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on August 14, 2016, 04:33:15 PM
Is it brought down anywhere about pas akum that if you are not near pas yisroel then it is lekatchila to it?
Yes
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yelped on August 14, 2016, 04:42:53 PM
Is it brought down anywhere about pas akum that if you are not near pas yisroel then it is lekatchila to it?
Yes, even if it's just better or something that's not available by Pas Yisroel. Note that this is what the Rema brings downs as the minhag, and the Beis Yosef does not agree. And that Chassidim are generally makpid on these things as all creations reflect the creator etc.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on September 08, 2016, 03:09:26 PM
Kaf Q from Canton?

Bump
Any one from Cleveland knows if this is a reliable hechsher?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: AsherO on September 08, 2016, 04:42:28 PM
Anyone know if Starbucks "sweetener" that they put in iced coffee is Kosher?

It's called Classic syrup, can't find any conclusive info online about it being (or not being) Kosher.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: @Yehuda on September 08, 2016, 04:44:09 PM
It's called Classic syrup, can't find any conclusive info online about it being (or not being) Kosher.
Sorry, I should have updated. I asked my Starbucks to see it, and it has an OU on it. (IIRC, definitely one of the classic Hashgachas.)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on September 08, 2016, 08:30:16 PM
Interesting article showing the importance of proper Hashgocho:
Catfished by a Catfish: 1 in 5 Seafood Samples Are Frauds, Report Finds
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/08/science/seafood-samples-mislabelling.html
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Cheesecake on September 09, 2016, 12:29:11 AM
Interesting article showing the importance of proper Hashgocho:
Catfished by a Catfish: 1 in 5 Seafood Samples Are Frauds, Report Finds
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/08/science/seafood-samples-mislabelling.html
אין חדש תחת השמש

http://www.businessinsider.com/mislabeled-fish-in-new-york-city-2012-12

http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2013/02/21/172589997/one-in-three-fish-sold-at-restaurants-and-grocery-stores-is-mislabeled
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: incendia on September 09, 2016, 11:30:27 AM
Interesting article showing the importance of proper Hashgocho:
Catfished by a Catfish: 1 in 5 Seafood Samples Are Frauds, Report Finds
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/08/science/seafood-samples-mislabelling.html

what makes you think that a michce'ach is being duped too ?

We know that there is fraued on kosher meat, so why not in fish ?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on September 09, 2016, 11:56:58 AM
what makes you think that a michce'ach is being duped too ?

We know that there is fraued on kosher meat, so why not in fish ?

Are you trying to spell mashgiach?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: incendia on September 09, 2016, 12:13:33 PM
Are you trying to spell mashgiach?

yes I was looking at it and I knew it was wrong but I couldn't deal with it so I made something up
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: dealfinder85 on September 09, 2016, 12:17:00 PM
yes I was looking at it and I knew it was wrong but I couldn't deal with it so I made something up
???
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on September 09, 2016, 04:28:27 PM
???
+1
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on September 09, 2016, 05:38:36 PM
???
Probably voice recognition
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on September 16, 2016, 11:07:00 AM
Just got the following on a whatsapp group.

לאפרושי מאיסורא

אחיי ורעיי!

לצערי אני חייב להודיע לכם שמוצרי החלב שמיוצרים בהונגריה על ידי שלומי שלומוביץ בשם Kosher Food (עם ההכשר של הרב מרדכי גראס מבני ברק והרב וועסטהיים ממאנטשעסטער) אינו ראוי להיקרא חלב ישראל, כי המשגיח אינו יהודי (התגייר על ידי הניאולוגים).

מתברר שלפני זה הוא עבד עם מישהו אחר, מאוהעלי, שגם לא היה יהודי.

ספק גדול האם אפשר לסמוך על שאר המוצרים שהוא מייצר כאן (כגון מיונז).

ביקשתי ממנהלי הסופרמרקט הכשר שלנו כאן שלא ימכור את המוצרים הללו!

ויהי רצון שנתבשר בשורות טובות.

ברוך אבערלאנדער
אב"ד בודאפעסט
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on September 16, 2016, 12:19:27 PM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160916/c7aa0d449c8465e3a5cc886ff5fa0372.jpg)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: MeirS on September 18, 2016, 06:22:47 AM
Just got the following on a whatsapp group.

לאפרושי מאיסורא

אחיי ורעיי!

לצערי אני חייב להודיע לכם שמוצרי החלב שמיוצרים בהונגריה על ידי שלומי שלומוביץ בשם Kosher Food (עם ההכשר של הרב מרדכי גראס מבני ברק והרב וועסטהיים ממאנטשעסטער) אינו ראוי להיקרא חלב ישראל, כי המשגיח אינו יהודי (התגייר על ידי הניאולוגים).

מתברר שלפני זה הוא עבד עם מישהו אחר, מאוהעלי, שגם לא היה יהודי.

ספק גדול האם אפשר לסמוך על שאר המוצרים שהוא מייצר כאן (כגון מיונז).

ביקשתי ממנהלי הסופרמרקט הכשר שלנו כאן שלא ימכור את המוצרים הללו!

ויהי רצון שנתבשר בשורות טובות.

ברוך אבערלאנדער
אב"ד בודאפעסט
Update:

אחיי ורעי

בהמשך למה שכתבתי לפני כמה שעות, התברר לי בינתיים שהמיונז של החברה Kosher Food לא מיוצר כאן בהונגריה, ואין זה קשור לבעיה שהתעוררה עכשיו.

המכשול שהתבררה כאן היום זה שמוצרי החלב שמיוצרים בהכשר של הרב גראס מבני ברק והרב וועסטהיים ממאנטשעסטער השתמשו במשגיחים שלמיטב ידיעתינו היו לא יהודים, ועל כן אין התוצרת "חלב ישראל".

אני רוצה להבהיר שלא באתי להאשים בזה את בעל החברה מר שלומי שלומוביץ, כי אין הוא אחראי לארגן את הכשרות ואת המשגיחים.

נא להעביר מכתב זה הלאה.

וה' יציל אותנו ממכשול.

בברכה

ברוך אבערלאנדער
אב"ד בודאפעסט
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 18, 2016, 08:18:36 PM
Is this kosher?

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160919/7a675dbf2b92e3b4a6f74cce80055b54.jpg)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: lubaby on September 18, 2016, 08:36:58 PM
Is this kosher?

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160919/7a675dbf2b92e3b4a6f74cce80055b54.jpg)
They usually have an OU on it. Can you find that anywhere?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: sky121 on September 18, 2016, 08:39:00 PM
They usually have an OU on it. Can you find that anywhere?
+1
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 18, 2016, 08:46:22 PM
They usually have an OU on it. Can you find that anywhere?
In the store I looked at a non diet, it def had ou. This one doesn't...

Someone I know took a swig.  Tasted too good to be kosher... Is it really traif??

Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: sky121 on September 18, 2016, 08:54:17 PM
In the store I looked at a non diet, it def had ou. This one doesn't...

Someone I know took a swig.  Tasted too good to be kosher... Is it really traif??


Treif it's not.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Cheesecake on September 18, 2016, 08:54:29 PM
In the store I looked at a non diet, it def had ou. This one doesn't...

Someone I know took a swig.  Tasted too good to be kosher... Is it really traif??


Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 18, 2016, 08:58:38 PM

Awesome! Where from?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Cheesecake on September 18, 2016, 08:59:01 PM
Awesome! Where from?
OU Android app.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 18, 2016, 09:16:30 PM
OU Android app.
Nice. Because per the CRC list, Stewart's  is only good when marked OU. I guess this counts.

Downloaded the app
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Cheesecake on September 18, 2016, 09:32:22 PM
Nice. Because per the CRC list, Stewart's  is only good when marked OU. I guess this counts.

Downloaded the app
Star-K and Kasher.com also said it needs a symbol. Go figure.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 18, 2016, 09:37:20 PM
Star-K and Kasher.com also said it needs a symbol. Go figure.
Il throw this into the mix also lol
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160919/0e256e8e2fa51a358522c7a23625b58f.jpg)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Cheesecake on September 18, 2016, 09:38:36 PM
Il throw this into the mix also lol
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160919/0e256e8e2fa51a358522c7a23625b58f.jpg)
Yes, saw that. That would seem to be the default.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: keepsmiling123 on November 14, 2016, 03:52:29 PM
Anyone else notice that Star K's site is now listing certain frappacinno's from Starbucks as Kosher in stores?

here's the link: http://www.star-k.org/articles/kosher-lists/1709/starbucks/
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: A3 on November 14, 2016, 08:21:08 PM
Is this ok?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: thaber on November 14, 2016, 09:55:59 PM
Anyone else notice that Star K's site is now listing certain frappacinno's from Starbucks as Kosher in stores?

here's the link: http://www.star-k.org/articles/kosher-lists/1709/starbucks/
Yes.  Just came on today.  Trying to get more background
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: keepsmiling123 on November 15, 2016, 01:32:21 AM
Yes.  Just came on today.  Trying to get more background

a friend of mine called and they Star K confirmed you can now order frap in store!
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yoohoo on November 18, 2016, 10:26:10 AM
a friend of mine called and they Star K confirmed you can now order frap in store!
not all flavors I believe. See yeahthatskosher.com
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: sky121 on November 18, 2016, 03:28:12 PM
This whole Starbucks thing really blows my mind sometimes.  How 'we' collectively forced the kashrus agencies to go out and figure out what's ok there and what's not because 'everyone' decided to go there. I can't think of another store this has ever happened with.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on November 18, 2016, 03:54:59 PM
This whole Starbucks thing really blows my mind sometimes.  How 'we' collectively forced the kashrus agencies to go out and figure out what's ok there and what's not because 'everyone' decided to go there. I can't think of another store this has ever happened with.
There is a different new drink they also did it for called slurpee
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: sky121 on November 18, 2016, 03:57:50 PM
There is a different new drink they also did it for called slurpee
Hmm.  I guess.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: thaber on November 20, 2016, 02:59:27 AM
not all flavors I believe. See yeahthatskosher.com
I think the star-k's website should be your primary source of info.  It's all there
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: thaber on November 20, 2016, 03:02:48 AM
This whole Starbucks thing really blows my mind sometimes.  How 'we' collectively forced the kashrus agencies to go out and figure out what's ok there and what's not because 'everyone' decided to go there. I can't think of another store this has ever happened with.

There is a different new drink they also did it for called slurpee
You could say the same thing about beer,  booze,  frozen fruit and vegetables,  and so much more.
'We' did no such thing.  'they'  do it on their own.  Same with the booze lists,  or the CRC's wonderful app,  the lists of things that don't require a hashgocha. 
They see themselves as communal service organizations,  and this is part of their service.  I,  for one,  am appreciative.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: David Smith on November 20, 2016, 03:12:57 AM
You could say the same thing about beer,  booze,  frozen fruit and vegetables,  and so much more.
'We' did no such thing.  'they'  do it on their own.  Same with the booze lists,  or the CRC's wonderful app,  the lists of things that don't require a hashgocha. 
They see themselves as communal service organizations,  and this is part of their service.  I,  for one,  am appreciative.
A yarei shamayim would make sure it's permissible before deciding to purchase, not vice versa.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: thaber on November 20, 2016, 03:13:38 AM
A yarei shamayim would make sure it's permissible before deciding to purchase, not vice versa.
Who said not?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: sky121 on November 20, 2016, 07:26:55 AM
You could say the same thing about beer,  booze,  frozen fruit and vegetables,  and so much more.
'We' did no such thing.  'they'  do it on their own.  Same with the booze lists,  or the CRC's wonderful app,  the lists of things that don't require a hashgocha. 
They see themselves as communal service organizations,  and this is part of their service.  I,  for one,  am appreciative.
I suppose so.  Though that is slightly different. And I wasn't saying it as a bad thing. It's just an interesting observation. I think it's great that they did what they did.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: sky121 on November 20, 2016, 07:31:26 AM
A yarei shamayim would make sure it's permissible before deciding to purchase, not vice versa.
+1
It certainly wasn't implied that that's not the case. And a yarei shamayim can go around eating lots of things that don't necessarily have a hechsher.

Yes, there are people who would never do other things also permissible or never eat anything else that didn't have  a hechsher but somehow still ended up at Starbucks 'because everyone else was going too.'

I've met people (before all the hechsherim had their lists) who would drink at Starbucks but who would never dream of walking into another coffee shop.

It's just interesting how things in the community go like that.   
Who said not?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on November 22, 2016, 03:48:16 PM
Does anyone know if Crystal Pepsi is Kosher?
The bottle doesn't have any symbol on it, though the CRC lists it as Kosher.

I checked Kaf-K site and didn't see anything about it.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: thaber on November 22, 2016, 04:11:05 PM
Does anyone know if Crystal Pepsi is Kosher?
The bottle doesn't have any symbol on it, though the CRC lists it as Kosher.

I checked Kaf-K site and didn't see anything about it.
hechsher on bottle is plant dependent, doesn't really have any bearing on the soda, just if the bottling facility has hashgocha.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: username on November 22, 2016, 04:12:58 PM
Does anyone know if Crystal Pepsi is Kosher?
The bottle doesn't have any symbol on it, though the CRC lists it as Kosher.

I checked Kaf-K site and didn't see anything about it.
listings on the CRC list just means that the syrup is kosher. The assumption is , that it doesnt become treif at the bottling plant, but only some bottlers have a formal hashgocha, and the others may NOT put a hechsher on the can/bottle/cap.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuneeq on November 22, 2016, 04:14:35 PM
listings on the CRC list just means that the syrup is kosher. The assumption is , that it doesnt become treif at the bottling plant, but only some bottlers have a formal hashgocha, and the others may NOT put a hechsher on the can/bottle/cap.

Thanks, Kaf K just called me back and told me pretty much the same.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: sky121 on December 08, 2016, 01:05:56 PM
Is this a hechsher?(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161208/e3dab79fc418fdf3d27e78335a6de42d.jpg)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on December 08, 2016, 01:43:29 PM
Is this a hechsher?
SKS is a "hechsher" - Shatz, who concentrates mainly on China. http://www.skskosher.com/

From what I hear in the grapevine, not very reliable (unfortunately like most of the new ones that pop up like mushrooms after the rain, to take a piece of the lucrative business of Hechsherim).
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: mgarfin on January 04, 2017, 12:15:11 AM
Crossposting

What's the difference between OU and OU-Glatt in the list https://www.ckj.org/kosher_restaurant_list
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: cholent on January 04, 2017, 12:21:01 AM
Crossposting

What's the difference between OU and OU-Glatt in the list https://www.ckj.org/kosher_restaurant_list
Probably just the info the restaurant provided. All ou meat is glatt
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: sky121 on January 16, 2017, 05:36:51 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170116/d39600e1e98ab6be68890c17e99f920f.jpg)
Any info on this hechsher?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on January 16, 2017, 05:58:59 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170116/d39600e1e98ab6be68890c17e99f920f.jpg)
Any info on this hechsher?
kedassia is the "Mehadrin" hashgacha in England.
They certify the very popular airline meals. "Hermolis"
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Zalc on January 16, 2017, 09:28:30 AM
anyone can confirm that water buffalo is kosher?
From what I can recall in a visit to a Water Buffalo farm years ago, the Milk is Kosher (and therefore it would stand to reason that if you Shechted one for some reason, it would be as well).

Def. Ask a rabbi first though.

Fun fact: the price of cow milk means that you need over 150 cows to break even on a farm, yet Water Buffalo farms only need about 5, and each one yields over 5x less milk then a cow.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: ad120 on January 16, 2017, 03:09:03 PM
Whats the deal with tablet K?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: username on January 16, 2017, 03:36:27 PM
keep away
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: mgarfin on January 16, 2017, 08:17:44 PM
How do Hechsherim work on places open on shabbos?

like http://izzysbrooklynbagels.com/

I recall there's an issue with the food prepaired after shabbos too as the utensils have issuer.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: CS1 on January 16, 2017, 08:29:35 PM
How do Hechsherim work on places open on shabbos?

like http://izzysbrooklynbagels.com/

I recall there's an issue with the food prepaired after shabbos too as the utensils have issuer.

perhaps there is a non-Jewish partner in the business who earns that portion of the week's profits/the Jewish person does not earn the profits made on Shabbos.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Batman on January 17, 2017, 03:34:19 PM
perhaps there is a non-Jewish partner in the business who EATS that portion of the week's bagels/the Jewish person does not EAT the BAGELS made on Shabbos.
I made some modifications to your post...
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: dealfinder85 on January 17, 2017, 03:54:33 PM
I made some modifications to your post...
as long as it fulfills yoreh deah requirements, and it wasnt made for a jew, what would be the problem with eating the bagel made on shabbos?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on January 18, 2017, 12:22:46 AM
I made some modifications to your post...
all the major hashgachos have bakeries that are owned by goyim baking on Shabbos. If someone has a real shtar shutfus then why would it be any different? Since when is there an issue to eat bread baked on Shabbos by a goy for a goy?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: mgarfin on January 18, 2017, 12:15:11 PM
all the major hashgachos have bakeries that are owned by goyim baking on Shabbos. If someone has a real shtar shutfus then why would it be any different? Since when is there an issue to eat bread baked on Shabbos by a goy for a goy?

+1

The issue here is that its owned by a jew and things baked shabbos afternoon may be mostly for jews.
Its not common practice to have a Jewish bakery sell his part/shtar shutfus and be open on shabbos.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuds70 on January 18, 2017, 01:46:35 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170116/d39600e1e98ab6be68890c17e99f920f.jpg)
Any info on this hechsher?
Interesting you ask that. Actually according to Kedassia, one must wait 6 hours after consuming hard cheese. For example pizza falls under that category, but not milk or yoghurts.  That's their standards.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: dealfinder85 on January 18, 2017, 02:29:33 PM
Interesting you ask that. Actually according to everyone, one must wait 6 hours after consuming hard cheese. For example pizza falls under that category, but not milk or yoghurts.  That's their standards.
FTFY
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: cholent on January 18, 2017, 02:35:40 PM
FTFY

I think the point is that they consider even cheeses like mozzarella, which are harder than cottage cheese but not normally considered a hard cheese for the purpose of waiting 6 hours, as fully hard cheeses
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: dealfinder85 on January 18, 2017, 02:37:54 PM
I think the point is that they consider even cheeses like mozzarella, which are harder than cottage cheese but not normally considered a hard cheese for the purpose of waiting 6 hours, as fully hard cheeses
that seems to be a bit of a chidush, as those arent aged cheeses, but im not gonna pretend to know the cheese industry
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: cholent on January 18, 2017, 02:53:35 PM
that seems to be a bit of a chidush, as those arent aged cheeses, but im not gonna pretend to know the cheese industry

It is definitely a chidush, but that's what he was saying - that they consider pizza to fall under that category. I have heard that in EY some hechsherim have the same approach.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuds70 on January 18, 2017, 02:58:22 PM
I think the point is that they consider even cheeses like mozzarella, which are harder than cottage cheese but not normally considered a hard cheese for the purpose of waiting 6 hours, as fully hard cheeses
Yes this is correct. I am saying that mozzarella is included in the 6 hour Halachah according to Kedassia.
that seems to be a bit of a chidush, as those arent aged cheeses, but im not gonna pretend to know the cheese industry
Funny as I heard from a cheese maker that owns a large cheese company baring the Kedassia logo say, based on his experience, there isn't a basis to what Kedassia says that mozzarella cheese and the like would fall under the 'hard cheese' category that would take longer to digest.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on January 18, 2017, 03:16:14 PM
It is definitely a chidush, but that's what he was saying - that they consider pizza to fall under that category. I have heard that in EY some hechsherim have the same approach.
Just went through this on a Kashrus WhatsApp group several weeks ago.

Apparently Rabbi Hendel A"H from Montreal also held that way. So the older folks of the Lubavitch community in Montreal, as well as his family/descendants adhere to that ruling. IINM rav Landau of Bnei Brak rules similarly. However from what I understand most poskim don't hold that way.

See https://oukosher.org/blog/consumer-kosher/aged-cheese-list/
And https://oukosher.org/blog/consumer-kosher/are-all-fromages-created-equal-waiting-between-cheese-and-meat/
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: mgarfin on January 18, 2017, 04:10:06 PM
The discussion of time one needs to wait after eating cheese has nothing to do with "Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim"

It belongs here "All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions" or I'm missing a way that a Hechsher can impose it on consumers.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Emkay on January 18, 2017, 04:24:06 PM
The discussion of time one needs to wait after eating cheese has nothing to do with "Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim"

It belongs here "All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions" or I'm missing a way that a Hechsher can impose it on consumers.
This fits with "Kosher" and "Kashrus".
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on January 18, 2017, 04:59:06 PM
The discussion of time one needs to wait after eating cheese has nothing to do with "Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim"

It belongs here "All Halocha Shailos and teiffa Questions" or I'm missing a way that a Hechsher can impose it on consumers.

Oh no, a thread went a tiny bit off topic! :o
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Alexsei on January 22, 2017, 06:29:02 PM
Is canned hearts of palm cooked?

If Yes Does it require Bishul Yisroel?

And is OU in general makpid on bishul YISROEL?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: sb613 on January 22, 2017, 06:32:30 PM
Bishul is not like pas and I a product requires bishul Yisrael it's not kosher without it.
Hearts of palm are edible raw (in the country's that they grow in) and don't require bishul Yisroel
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Alexsei on January 22, 2017, 06:34:32 PM
Bishul is not like pas and I a product requires bishul Yisrael it's not kosher without it.
Hearts of palm are edible raw (in the country's that they grow in) and don't require bishul Yisroel
Thanks
Is there shitos about whether food that's edible raw requires bishul yisroel?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: sb613 on January 22, 2017, 07:06:05 PM
No. For food to require bishul it must be both 1) not edible raw 2) fit in king's table
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: thaber on January 22, 2017, 07:19:21 PM
Just went through this on a Kashrus WhatsApp group several weeks ago.

Apparently Rabbi Hendel A"H from Montreal also held that way. So the older folks of the Lubavitch community in Montreal, as well as his family/descendants adhere to that ruling. IINM rav Landau of Bnei Brak rules similarly. However from what I understand most poskim don't hold that way.

See https://oukosher.org/blog/consumer-kosher/aged-cheese-list/
And https://oukosher.org/blog/consumer-kosher/are-all-fromages-created-equal-waiting-between-cheese-and-meat/
This was the opinion RYSE as well. 
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on January 22, 2017, 07:34:05 PM
Is canned hearts of palm cooked?

If Yes Does it require Bishul Yisroel?

And is OU in general makpid on bishul YISROEL?
As far as I know the OU is makpid on bishul Yisrael where they believe it's needed. For instance, the OU doesn't have a good turning in fires for breakfast cereal because they hold its not required ( not sure why anyone would hold that corn based cereal is a bishul akum problem) as far as hearts of palm go, the OU believes that it is nechal chai since in the lands where they grow they are eaten raw and doesn't have a problem of hakol lefi hazman vhamakom since wherever they do grow they're eaten raw.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Alexsei on January 22, 2017, 07:38:22 PM
As far as I know the OU is makpid on bishul Yisrael where they believe it's needed. For instance, the OU doesn't have a good turning in fires for breakfast cereal because they hold its not required ( not sure why anyone would hold that corn based cereal is a bishul akum problem) as far as hearts of palm go, the OU believes that it is nechal chai since in the lands where they grow they are eaten raw and doesn't have a problem of hakol lefi hazman vhamakom since wherever they do grow they're eaten raw.
Thanks all.
What's about sardines ?
Such as
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170123/f4726fa8ed910301f07106e3da43565d.jpg)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on January 22, 2017, 07:43:29 PM
The OU as a general rule is not makpid on bishul Yisrael for canned fish based in a tziruf of several heterim. (Steam, and special industrial equipment amoung those heterim)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: mmgfarb on January 24, 2017, 05:45:46 AM
Ocean spray cranberry juice cocktail had a triangle K, does it need an actual hechsher?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on January 24, 2017, 05:50:54 AM
Ocean spray cranberry juice cocktail had a triangle K, does it need an actual hechsher?
yes
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: mmgfarb on January 24, 2017, 05:51:47 AM
yes
Thanks
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on January 24, 2017, 05:54:32 AM
Thanks
just curious, why do you trust me?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: mmgfarb on January 24, 2017, 05:55:32 AM
just curious, why do you trust me?
I thought it needed a good hechsher so someone confirming it is enough to make me not drink it, if it was the other way around I may not have
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on January 24, 2017, 08:22:21 AM
just curious, why do you trust me?
lchumra is easy. Either way, these bottled juices are pastuerized and the equipment can potentially have been used for non-kosher products. Also, cranberry juice products often have additives which are potential issues.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: mmgfarb on January 24, 2017, 08:22:55 AM
lchumra is easy.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: incendia on January 24, 2017, 09:47:28 AM
lchumra is easy.


but L'Kula is stronger
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Agoldsc1 on January 24, 2017, 05:28:02 PM
lchumra is easy. Either way, these bottled juices are pastuerized and the equipment can potentially have been used for non-kosher products. Also, cranberry juice products often have additives which are potential issues.

Anything that can contain red food coloring is especially problematic AFAIK.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on January 24, 2017, 05:29:41 PM
Anything that can contain red food coloring is especially problematic AFAIK.
Correct since it could be cochineal beetle extract
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yelped on January 25, 2017, 10:39:47 AM
Correct since it could be cochineal beetle extract
Even if it is, there are very big poskim who are mater it.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Cheesecake on January 25, 2017, 11:19:11 AM
but L'Kula is stronger
?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: myi on January 28, 2017, 10:11:47 PM
Any chance this is kosher? 

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DJOWTYY/?tag=cl03f-20&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on January 28, 2017, 10:36:51 PM
Any chance this is kosher? 

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DJOWTYY/?tag=cl03f-20&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
It depends if the glycerin is from vegetable or animal fat. Very difficult if at all possible to know for certain.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on January 28, 2017, 11:31:09 PM
It depends if the glycerin is from vegetable or animal fat. Very difficult if at all possible to know for certain.
even vegetable can be treif. In fact alot is. Since Dow chemical closed its Texas operation there is no synthetic glycerin production in the USA (afaik).
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Yikes2179 on January 29, 2017, 02:44:35 AM
Can formica be kashered?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: cholent on January 29, 2017, 02:45:50 AM
Can formica be kashered?
Machlokes. AYLOR
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: thaber on January 29, 2017, 03:10:48 AM


even vegetable can be treif. In fact alot is.
Source?

Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on January 29, 2017, 06:37:35 AM
Source?
first hand knowledge. If it's a refinery that produces animal and plant based on the same equipment then the vegetable will be treif.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on January 29, 2017, 06:39:36 AM
Can formica be kashered?
Formica is plastic. R' Moshe is Mattie kashering plastic during the year but is machmir for Pesach.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: MeirS on January 29, 2017, 11:38:29 PM
I think the point is that they consider even cheeses like mozzarella, which are harder than cottage cheese but not normally considered a hard cheese for the purpose of waiting 6 hours, as fully hard cheeses
If I may chime in on this topic, while it does seem that Kedassia requires 6 hours after pizza or mac and cheese, what is less commonly known if that pizza and mac and cheese in England is usually made with cheddar cheese rather than mozzorela, I think most Rabbis around the globe agree on 6 hours for cheddar cheese.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on January 30, 2017, 06:57:11 AM
If I may chime in on this topic, while it does seem that Kedassia requires 6 hours after pizza or mac and cheese, what is less commonly known if that pizza and mac and cheese in England is usually made with cheddar cheese rather than mozzorela, I think most Rabbis around the globe agree on 6 hours for cheddar cheese.
only on cheddar aged 6 months or more. Most chalav Yisrael cheddar available in your local supermarket is not aged 6 months.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: MeirS on January 30, 2017, 08:58:14 AM


Most chalav Yisrael cheddar available in your local supermarket is not aged 6 months.

You're talking about in England or in the USA?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Cheesecake on January 30, 2017, 09:33:19 AM
https://oukosher.org/blog/consumer-kosher/aged-cheese-list/
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on January 30, 2017, 12:05:35 PM
I think most Rabbis around the globe agree on 6 hours for cheddar cheese.
only on cheddar aged 6 months or more.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: shulem92 on January 30, 2017, 12:05:38 PM
only on cheddar aged 6 months or more. Most chalav Yisrael cheddar available in your local supermarket is not aged 6 months.
I was kinda wondering. Thanx
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: avromie7 on January 30, 2017, 01:47:57 PM
Any chance this is kosher? 

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DJOWTYY/?tag=cl03f-20&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
Why does it need to be kosher?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: username on January 30, 2017, 01:58:23 PM
Why does it need to be kosher?
Read more here:
http://www.star-k.org/articles/articles/medicine/452/a-kashrus-guide-to-medications-vitamins-and-nutritional-supplements/
http://www.crcweb.org/kosher_articles/over_the_counter_medicine.php
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on January 30, 2017, 03:41:52 PM
Why does it need to be kosher?
why not?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on January 30, 2017, 03:43:38 PM
Why does it need to be kosher?
Because it is kiderech hano'oso
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: avromie7 on January 30, 2017, 03:45:18 PM
why not?
Because it's medicine
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Cheesecake on January 30, 2017, 03:53:47 PM
Because it's medicine
It can be medicine and still need to be kosher.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: avromie7 on January 30, 2017, 03:59:22 PM
Because it is kiderech hano'oso
CMIIW I think R' Moshe holds any medicine does not need to be kosher
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on January 30, 2017, 04:06:03 PM
Because it's medicine
so if you mix medication into some edible food item, then the food item doesn't need to be kosher?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Cheesecake on January 30, 2017, 04:23:54 PM
CMIIW I think R' Moshe holds any medicine does not need to be kosher
I think you're wrong.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: avromie7 on January 30, 2017, 04:25:08 PM
I think you're wrong.
Maybe @aygart or @thaber can confirm either way
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on January 30, 2017, 04:29:46 PM
Maybe @aygart or @thaber can confirm either way
I remember it as pills but would need to look it up
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Cheesecake on January 30, 2017, 05:28:32 PM
I remember it as pills but would need to look it up
Yes
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: thaber on January 31, 2017, 12:27:19 AM
CMIIW I think R' Moshe holds any medicine does not need to be kosher
you're wrong
I remember it as pills but would need to look it up
you're right
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: mgarfin on February 07, 2017, 10:42:55 AM
I recall reading or hearing that KSML from Borenstein caterers and Regal caterers are linked in any way? Is it true?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Emkay on February 07, 2017, 10:52:57 AM
I recall reading or hearing that KSML from Borenstein caterers and Regal caterers are linked in any way? Is it true?
Yup. They both use the same cat litter as the base.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: mgarfin on February 07, 2017, 11:20:11 AM
Yup. They both use the same cat litter as the base.

I find it interesting that Borenstein uses the same chicken as Regal (non-OU)?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on February 07, 2017, 07:33:26 PM
I find it interesting that Borenstein uses the same chicken as Regal (non-OU)?
the ou does not allow non OU meats
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on February 07, 2017, 10:38:53 PM
the ou does not allow non OU meats
officially...
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on February 07, 2017, 11:14:23 PM
Did the OU ever appoint anyone to replace R Belski in setting their policies?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: thaber on February 08, 2017, 12:51:00 AM
Did the OU ever appoint anyone to replace R Belski in setting their policies?
not AFAIK. I'd imagine Rabbi Genack is more involved as well as CEO. He is a very astute talmid chacham and a big boki in the sugyas as well.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: cholent on February 08, 2017, 12:59:12 AM
not AFAIK. I'd imagine Rabbi Genack is more involved as well as CEO. He is a very astute talmid chacham and a big boki in the sugyas as well.

That is true, and R' Schachter of course remains in his position. I believe they also consult with R' Asher Weiss
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on February 08, 2017, 07:58:02 AM
not AFAIK. I'd imagine Rabbi Genack is more involved as well as CEO. He is a very astute talmid chacham and a big boki in the sugyas as well.
The CEO of the organization shouldn't be setting these policies.

Nothing against him personally, but is an accepted standard in any industry that the CEO who is responsible for financial growth, not set the "risk" policies.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: cholent on February 08, 2017, 08:36:00 AM
The CEO of the organization shouldn't be setting these policies.

Nothing against him personally, but is an accepted standard in any industry that the CEO who is responsible for financial growth, not set the "risk" policies.

Rabbi Genack as well as Rabbi Elefant and all the RCs are talmidei chachamim, but you are right and that is why they have R' Hershel Schachter as an official posek and consult with R' Weiss and others as well for piskei halacha.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: mgarfin on February 08, 2017, 10:49:42 AM
R Belsky is much more mainstream then R' Hershel Schachter, it may hurt them in the long run if they dont get a real mainstream  name.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: thaber on February 08, 2017, 11:25:19 AM
R Belsky is much more mainstream then R' Hershel Schachter, it may hurt them in the long run if they don't get a real mainstream  name.
I'd love to see a second posek, but whose stream? for 99% of their clientele there is no difference. Additionally RHS has, for the most part been the more traditional and machmir of the two.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: mgarfin on February 08, 2017, 11:30:45 AM
I'd love to see a second posek, but whose stream? for 99% of their clientele there is no difference. Additionally RHS has, for the most part been the more traditional and machmir of the two.

You may know better than me, but what I'm thinking is, as Lakewood/yeshivish guys are getting bigger and frumer this will have a long-term effect.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: cholent on February 08, 2017, 12:41:15 PM
You may know better than me, but what I'm thinking is, as Lakewood/yeshivish guys are getting bigger and frumer this will have a long-term effect.

R' Asher Weiss should be acceptable for that crowd
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: mgarfin on February 08, 2017, 01:04:42 PM
R' Asher Weiss should be acceptable for that crowd

Is he from Israel?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: cholent on February 08, 2017, 01:15:24 PM
Is he from Israel?

Yes
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Cheesecake on February 08, 2017, 01:36:55 PM
Rabbi Genack as well as Rabbi Elefant and all the RCs are talmidei chachamim, but you are right and that is why they have R' Hershel Schachter as an official posek and consult with R' Weiss and others as well for piskei halacha.
But who makes the final decisions?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: challah baker on February 08, 2017, 02:28:54 PM
Does anybody have any info on the Hechsher Kosher Madrid? Here is the link to their website. http://koshermadrid.com/ (http://koshermadrid.com/). It was on a bottle of oil with a Trader Joe's label
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on February 08, 2017, 03:16:40 PM
But who makes the final decisions?
Rabbi Genack. Always has and always will
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on February 08, 2017, 07:47:43 PM
R' Asher Weiss should be acceptable for that crowd
Is officially in charge of halachic discussions? Or just a consultation when convenient?
But who makes the final decisions?
Exactly
Rabbi Genack. Always has and always will
The perception always was that we are relying on R Belski and R Shachter.

While R Genak may be an excellent well learned CEO, I doubt the OU brand would be as strong amongst chareidim with just him.

Proof is that in EY OU is considered at most as good as rabbanut mahedrin amongst bney Torah.. in America it is only more accepted because of R Belski imho.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: cholent on February 08, 2017, 08:25:14 PM
Rabbi Genack. Always has and always will
That is inaccurate. The OU has a large body of published psak, and basic halachic questions may be answered by Rabbi Genack or any of the RCs. However, shaylos come up constantly that are directed to the poskim, and their psak is final
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: cholent on February 08, 2017, 08:26:07 PM
Is officially in charge of halachic discussions? Or just a consultation when convenient?ExactlyThe perception always was that we are relying on R Belski and R Shachter.

While R Genak may be an excellent well learned CEO, I doubt the OU brand would be as strong amongst chareidim with just him.

Proof is that in EY OU is considered at most as good as rabbanut mahedrin amongst bney Torah.. in America it is only more accepted because of R Belski imho.
I think the most important point you are making here is, who decides which question needs to be asked to the poskim?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: thaber on February 08, 2017, 09:15:59 PM
I think the most important point you are making here is, who decides which question needs to be asked to the poskim?
The RC's are all established poskim, and have all written seforim in their expertise (is, or at least was, a requirement). Any shayla that has a psak there is an internal teshuvah written to explain. When there was a machlokes between RYB and RHS, which was not infrequent, I'd imagine the CEO was machria, with input from the RC.
As far as this stuff goes they are leagues better and more transparent than almost anyone else.
Keep in mind that 23% of American Jews keep kosher at home, at least on some level. The OU is the symbol of choice. Muslims rely on it for Halal. Chassidim never relied on it, and uber yeshivish also not. So the demographic we're discussing, the yeshivishe crowd, who may not rely on RHS (which is ill advised IMHO anyway, and I am a card carrying yeshivish crowd member who had the zchus to talk to RHS about many topics), is, even long term, a very small part of their clientele.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on February 08, 2017, 09:55:48 PM
That is inaccurate. The OU has a large body of published psak, and basic halachic questions may be answered by Rabbi Genack or any of the RCs. However, shaylos come up constantly that are directed to the poskim, and their psak is final
just curious what your information is based on. I know what my info is based on...
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on February 08, 2017, 10:02:58 PM
The RC's are all established poskim, and have all written seforim in their expertise (is, or at least was, a requirement)
neither of those statements is true. Just curious, how many RC's do you know?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on February 08, 2017, 10:16:11 PM
just curious what your information is based on. I know what my info is based on...
I can back that up from personal involvement. There are items in their written psak which I wrote.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on February 08, 2017, 10:17:00 PM
neither of those statements is true. Just curious, how many RC's do you know?
+1

How many sforim can you list written by RCs?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: thaber on February 08, 2017, 10:17:14 PM
neither of those statements is true. Just curious, how many RC's do you know?
It most definitely was a requirement. Not published seforim, but the equivalent of a thesis. Established poskim is subjective I suppose, feel free to argue.
Over the last 20 years - many.
Look, I understand you're in the field, I'm not, and I'm not here to argue with you. Due to my proximity to many rabonim over the years I gained a lot of first hand knowledge. It's not so nice to call people liars, but I can handle it. My only goal or point in this conversation is to point out that you're not talking about a bunch of am haaretzim leading a different bunch of am haaretzim in giving hashgocha. If we can agree on that I leave the final word on everything else to your insider knowledge.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: thaber on February 08, 2017, 10:18:09 PM
+1

How many sforim can you list written by RCs?
It most definitely was a requirement. Not published seforim, but the equivalent of a thesis.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on February 08, 2017, 10:19:51 PM

If you mean something along the line of writing up a chabura them yes. They are not ignorant but I wouldn't call them all poskim in their own right.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: thaber on February 08, 2017, 10:31:13 PM
If you mean something along the line of writing up a chabura them yes. They are not ignorant but I wouldn't call them all poskim in their own right.
fine. see my post above.
Interesting note - at the time of the writing of this book (https://books.google.com/books?id=21Al13rPDv0C&lpg=PT60&ots=_T2pzgu-0T&dq=OU%20RABBINIC%20COORDINATORS&pg=PT60#v=onepage&q=OU%20RABBINIC%20COORDINATORS&f=false) there were 57 RC's. Not all of them are in the halachic line of authority from what I understand. To your knowledge (and @moko's and whoever else) how many of those are also shul/community rabbi's? I would venture that most of them are, definitely at the tier 2 (http://ou.org.s3.amazonaws.com/pdf/kosherbrochure/OU%20Bro12-13.pdf) level.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: cholent on February 08, 2017, 11:34:16 PM
just curious what your information is based on. I know what my info is based on...
I'll bite, what is your info based on?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on February 08, 2017, 11:40:13 PM
I'll bite, what is your info based on?

I can back that up from personal involvement. There are items in their written psak which I wrote.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: thaber on February 08, 2017, 11:50:13 PM
I'll bite, what is your info based on?

that was for moko. I'm guessing here's a clue: http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=4623.msg1673298#msg1673298
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: cholent on February 08, 2017, 11:51:13 PM
just curious what your information is based on. I know what my info is based on...
Based on a personal relationship with someone very in the know in the OU
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: skyguy918 on February 09, 2017, 07:06:14 PM
There's an RC in my shul. Never published a sefer, not what you'd call a posek. I'll text him basic questions (especially about other hechsherim ;D), but not if I think it's an issue that requires a 'psak'. What I will say though is that our Rov consults him about a lot of kashrus related things. The RC's are expected to be experts in the the metzius, in the facts on the ground, of whatever the issue is. That allows them to lay the framework for a posek to pasken on.

ETA: That's not to say that some (or many, I have no idea) aren't poskim in their own right, or haven't written seforim, etc.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: shulem92 on February 09, 2017, 07:37:52 PM
RC?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: cholent on February 09, 2017, 08:09:48 PM
There's an RC in my shul. Never published a sefer, not what you'd call a posek. I'll text him basic questions (especially about other hechsherim ;D), but not if I think it's an issue that requires a 'psak'. What I will say though is that our Rov consults him about a lot of kashrus related things. The RC's are expected to be experts in the the metzius, in the facts on the ground, of whatever the issue is. That allows them to lay the framework for a posek to pasken on.

ETA: That's not to say that some (or many, I have no idea) aren't poskim in their own right, or haven't written seforim, etc.
I can say that the one I know is a world class talmid chacham and mechaber sefarim
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: mgarfin on February 09, 2017, 08:47:36 PM
RC?
Rabbinical Coordinator
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on February 09, 2017, 08:59:17 PM
I can say that the one I know is a world class talmid chacham and mechaber sefarim
Who happens to be a RC
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: shulem92 on February 09, 2017, 09:01:11 PM
Rabbinical Coordinator
Thanx. I knew r was for rabbi..couldn't figure out the c
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: cholent on February 09, 2017, 11:04:54 PM
Who happens to be a RC

Who is in the position he is in not only because he is good at his job but also very much because he is a talmid chacham
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Luvtotravel on February 28, 2017, 08:30:36 PM
If I am makpid on CY can I use a Keurig machine in a hotel room or is there a CS issue?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: shulem92 on February 28, 2017, 08:33:29 PM
If I am makpid on CY can I use a Keurig machine in a hotel room or is there a CS issue?
Once you're worrying about that, why not a treife issue in general? Not all k-cups are kosher
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Luvtotravel on February 28, 2017, 08:36:25 PM
Once you're worrying about that, why not a treife issue in general? Not all k-cups are kosher
point taken, although what could be trief  in a k-cup?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: avromie7 on February 28, 2017, 08:37:18 PM
point taken, although what could be trief  in a k-cup?
Flavored coffee
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Luvtotravel on February 28, 2017, 08:40:25 PM
So I guess that answers my question. So kosher travelers never use the Keurig machines?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on February 28, 2017, 08:56:26 PM
point taken, although what could be trief  in a k-cup?
Chicken soup
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on February 28, 2017, 10:05:33 PM
point taken, although what could be trief  in a k-cup?
soup (https://www.amazon.com/Campbells-Fresh-Brewed-Homestyle-Chicken-Noodle/dp/B015W2BGEE)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on February 28, 2017, 10:17:55 PM
So I guess that answers my question. So kosher travelers never use the Keurig machines?
Read the ou articles about them
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Luvtotravel on March 01, 2017, 10:12:02 AM
Read the ou articles about them
thax. Very informative
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: tzifanya54 on March 10, 2017, 05:16:30 PM
Read the ou articles about them
Link?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 10, 2017, 05:17:20 PM
Link?
Www.Google.com
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: tzifanya54 on March 12, 2017, 12:38:56 AM
Www.Google.com
Thanks for the helpful response.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 12, 2017, 12:50:30 AM
Thanks for the helpful response.
No problem. Thank you for your consideration in saving me a step which I would have needed to do to find the exact link.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Yikes2179 on March 12, 2017, 01:02:42 AM
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Www.Google.com
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Thanks for the helpful response.


http://bfy.tw/Aa5D
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: A3 on March 12, 2017, 01:04:48 AM
Thanks for the helpful response.


http://bfy.tw/Aa5D
First result is from 2012. Outdated.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 12, 2017, 09:17:23 PM
First result is from 2012. Outdated.
Torah is timeless
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: mgarfin on March 15, 2017, 01:57:19 PM
Can someone please give me the rundown on what the story with Grapes, Raisins, and bugs is?
Preferably both sides. Any good articles?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: thaber on April 09, 2017, 10:23:13 AM
Can someone please give me the rundown on what the story with Grapes, Raisins, and bugs is?
Preferably both sides. Any good articles?
Raisins can get buggy. Not California ones of they're stored properly. Not so complicated
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: avromie7 on April 09, 2017, 10:30:09 AM
Can someone please give me the rundown on what the story with Grapes, Raisins, and bugs is?
Preferably both sides. Any good articles?
I have the star-k app and they have a list called "checking for insects"
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: davidmal on May 11, 2017, 06:05:25 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170511/17b5155ba64271a7040a0d28a5fe1891.jpg)anyone know this one?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on May 11, 2017, 07:05:28 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170511/17b5155ba64271a7040a0d28a5fe1891.jpg)anyone know this one?
Rabbi Aryeh Spero of Canton, Ohio.
Can you post an image of the ingredient and plant info.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: davidmal on May 12, 2017, 12:57:19 AM
Rabbi Aryeh Spero of Canton, Ohio.
Can you post an image of the ingredient and plant info.
Shouldn't the hashgacha stand without it? Or not???
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: davidmal on May 12, 2017, 11:47:40 AM
He's not on Kosherquest's list or CRC.
yea
and worst part is I forgot it in my cart so now I own it!
I have to return it or eat it.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: sky121 on May 15, 2017, 03:10:18 PM
https://earthkosher.com/

Is this considered a widely accepted hechsher? On any of the recommended lists from COR, CRC, StarK Etc?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: username on May 15, 2017, 04:14:50 PM
https://earthkosher.com/

Is this considered a widely accepted hechsher? On any of the recommended lists from COR, CRC, StarK Etc?
Yes, he's on the CRC list, as well as others.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on May 15, 2017, 06:11:41 PM
Yes, he's on the CRC list, as well as others.
interesting. The CEO and founder is a proud Chovevei Torah graduate
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: sky121 on May 15, 2017, 09:51:39 PM
Yes, he's on the CRC list, as well as others.
Thanks
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on May 16, 2017, 10:27:24 AM
interesting. The CEO and founder is a proud Chovevei Torah graduate
The rav hamachshir is zusha blech
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on May 16, 2017, 11:10:10 AM
The rav hamachshir is zusha blech
these are the kinds of partnership that make some question his kashrus. If any of the major kashrus organizations had a founding CEO from Chovevei, people would be up in arms.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on May 16, 2017, 11:56:33 AM
these are the kinds of partnership that make some question his kashrus. If any of the major kashrus organizations had a founding CEO from Chovevei, people would be up in arms.
Mehhow about one who hugs Hillary?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on May 16, 2017, 12:00:00 PM
these are the kinds of partnership that make some question his kashrus. If any of the major kashrus organizations had a founding CEO from Chovevei, people would be up in arms.
Is blech reliable?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on May 16, 2017, 05:18:42 PM
Mehhow about one who hugs Hillary?

and do know the ruckus it caused?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: myi on May 17, 2017, 09:43:59 PM
i doubt this flavor is kosher?
Amazon.com : Alba Botanica Un-Petroleum SPF 18 Vanilla Lip Balm, 0.15 Ounce : Lip Balms And Moisturizers : Beauty (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0001ZZQ5S/?tag=cl03f-20&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: zh cohen on May 17, 2017, 11:29:55 PM
Mehhow about one who hugs Hillary?


Who is that?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: incendia on May 18, 2017, 12:44:31 AM
i doubt this flavor is kosher?
Amazon.com : Alba Botanica Un-Petroleum SPF 18 Vanilla Lip Balm, 0.15 Ounce : Lip Balms And Moisturizers : Beauty (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0001ZZQ5S/?tag=cl03f-20&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER)

is it roi l'achila ?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: thaber on May 18, 2017, 12:55:26 AM
i doubt this flavor is kosher?
Amazon.com : Alba Botanica Un-Petroleum SPF 18 Vanilla Lip Balm, 0.15 Ounce : Lip Balms And Moisturizers : Beauty (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0001ZZQ5S/?tag=cl03f-20&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER)
kashrus orgs generally don't recommend flavored lip products. That said, company claims to be vegan other than beeswax
ETA: ?lang=en
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on May 18, 2017, 07:22:06 AM
Are the flavored cokes from the Wawa machines kosher?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: voldemort on May 18, 2017, 07:53:01 AM
Are the flavored cokes from the Wawa machines kosher?
The Coca-Cola Freestyle? Yes.

https://oukosher.org/blog/consumer-kosher/coca-cola-freestyle-machines/
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on May 18, 2017, 08:03:17 AM
The Coca-Cola Freestyle? Yes.

https://oukosher.org/blog/consumer-kosher/coca-cola-freestyle-machines/
Is the coca cola free style what Wawa has?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: voldemort on May 18, 2017, 08:21:48 AM
Is the coca cola free style what Wawa has?
I believe so,it should say on the machine though.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Entrepreneur on June 06, 2017, 09:28:06 PM
anyone know about Congregation Midrash Dovid. They certify Amba Fidi
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: damaxer91 on June 06, 2017, 10:05:52 PM
anyone know about Congregation Midrash Dovid. They certify Amba Fidi

I emailed the OU and they asked me to call so its off the record but they said that they would not recommend the Hechsher
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: hide4 on June 11, 2017, 11:41:33 AM
Is it true that some weeks the David Citadel gets rubins meat? How can I find out in advance?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: ADG on June 14, 2017, 11:46:06 AM
+1 
Stay away from anything certified by this "ruv" Steinberg.
So I was told by head/rabbi of one of the two main UWS hechsherim who certify a lot of Manhattan restaurants.
The Steinberg (Cup K) certified restaurants are IIRC all open on Shabbos!  And Bens delicatessen is basically the same idea as Hebrew National... Not somewhere any frum people eat..

You'd probably even trust Rabbi Harry Cohen before Steinberg...

I dont think there is a problem buying coffee in a non-kosher store. However buying coffee from a store with this certification may come with a bigger maris ayen when people see the hechsher along with frum jews buying they may assume it is a good hechsher.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: mmgfarb on June 14, 2017, 02:42:18 PM
Anyone know if this Drambuie is kosher? (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170614/4a361333f18b50742e883a48475129d6.jpg)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: avromie7 on June 14, 2017, 02:47:19 PM
Anyone know if this Drambuie is kosher? (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170614/4a361333f18b50742e883a48475129d6.jpg)
According to the Star-K, only when bearing KLBD
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Tuna Baygel on June 16, 2017, 12:21:37 PM
I have that bottle, got it from Mission liquors

Has hechsher KLBD in back, it's a weird symbol on top of distributors information
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: thaber on June 26, 2017, 11:38:06 PM
from OK website
Please be advised that as of June 26, 2017: OK OK-KOSHER CERTIFICATION has removed certification from Basil Pizza & Wine Bar (268 Kingston Avenue, Brooklyn, NY 11213)

Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: JoeyShmoe on June 26, 2017, 11:59:03 PM
from OK website
Please be advised that as of June 26, 2017: OK OK-KOSHER CERTIFICATION has removed certification from Basil Pizza & Wine Bar (268 Kingston Avenue, Brooklyn, NY 11213)

Just got this on whatsapp, don't know any details or if it's real.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: thaber on June 27, 2017, 12:02:09 AM

Not one of my active threads, but realized post posting it was probabaly there, and figure I'll leave mine up anyway for the non CH chevra
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Z56 on June 27, 2017, 07:40:00 AM
(http://)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: CDR on July 04, 2017, 12:17:42 PM
I'm traveling out to LA and was wondering what the status is of KOLA kashrus reliability. Also, has anyone ever heard of Udvari Kashrus in Brooklyn? They give kashrus at Frappe N Wrap in Brooklyn, Riverside Diner and Stargelt upstate.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: jose34 on July 04, 2017, 12:33:51 PM
In case anyone is interested Star K has a whole on the topic of Kashrus and Traveling : https://www.star-k.org/articles/travel/
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: MeirS on July 05, 2017, 05:25:12 PM
Planters peanuts sometimes have an OU, and someone's just a K. Anyone know why?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on July 05, 2017, 10:13:56 PM
Planters peanuts sometimes have an OU, and someone's just a K. Anyone know why?
there are various ways of seasoning peanuts. In regards to dry roasted peanuts, since there was no oil in the roasting process, they would add gelatin to make the salt stick. Also since there is no added oil in dry roasted, they sometimes add the seasoning prior to roasting, creating a potential problem if seasoning or gelatin is not Kosher
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: MeirS on July 05, 2017, 11:45:10 PM
there are various ways of seasoning peanuts. In regards to dry roasted peanuts, since there was no oil in the roasting process, they would add gelatin to make the salt stick. Also since there is no added oil in dry roasted, they sometimes add the seasoning prior to roasting, creating a potential problem if seasoning or gelatin is not Kosher
Interesting. The packaging looked the same to me (same flavor) other than the hechsher but I may have missed something.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: CDR on July 07, 2017, 11:58:36 AM
 has anyone ever heard of Udvari Kashrus in Brooklyn? They give kashrus at Frappe N Wrap in Brooklyn, Riverside Diner and Stargelt upstate NY.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: ADG on July 13, 2017, 02:55:46 PM
do dietary supplements need a hechsher?

Thanks
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on July 13, 2017, 03:11:21 PM
do dietary supplements need a hechsher?

Thanks
1. according to many poskim all do
2. for some types and reasons for taking them some will allow without one
 AYLOR
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: ADG on July 13, 2017, 03:22:35 PM
Thanks
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Alexsei on August 07, 2017, 02:28:08 PM
Is this recommended?

https://www.amazon.com/NOW-Vitamin-K-2-100-Capsules/dp/B0013EJ5QM/ref=sr_1_2_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1502130425&sr=8-2&keywords=NOW+Vitamin+K-2+100+mcg%2C100+Veg+Capsules

(triangle K)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on August 07, 2017, 02:30:27 PM
Is this recommended?

https://www.amazon.com/NOW-Vitamin-K-2-100-Capsules/dp/B0013EJ5QM/ref=sr_1_2_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1502130425&sr=8-2&keywords=NOW+Vitamin+K-2+100+mcg%2C100+Veg+Capsules

(triangle K)
I know many people would consider anything with a triangle K to be the same a without any kashrus certification.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: emak on August 07, 2017, 03:50:31 PM
I know many people would consider anything with a triangle K to be the same a without any kashrus certification.
+1
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: myi on August 07, 2017, 04:35:07 PM
Never really got a straight answer but why does kellogs cereal products only place a K on the product versus the full hechsher like the ou or cof k who ever is backing the product?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on August 07, 2017, 04:36:29 PM
Never really got a straight answer but why does kellogs cereal products only place a K on the product versus the full hechsher like the ou or cof k who ever is backing the product?
The hechsher on Kellogs is KVH
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on August 07, 2017, 04:44:06 PM
The hechsher on Kellogs is KVH
Only on items marked with a K or KD. Some items a totally treif.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: myi on August 07, 2017, 04:47:15 PM
Only on items marked with a K or KD. Some items a totally treif.
Yup understood like that.
 Curios to why they don't write out the hechsher? And I remember calling up the Ou and even telling me it's fine as well as the star K having a list with all the cereals and there bracha and having the list which says all kellogs cereals when bearing an OU.. interesting when your telling me that it's KVH.
 Will post a picture here later when I get a minute.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: username on August 07, 2017, 04:50:51 PM
Yup understood like that.
 Curios to why they don't write out the hechsher?
Kellogs doesnt want to and KVH cant/doesnt force them. And the consumers obviously dont care either. Its in kellogs interest not to have a symbol, so that if theres ever a mistake, Kellogs have close to 0 liability. (They wont need to issue a recall, wont need new boxes, and wont get into an unlawful copywright usage suit.) You gotta wonder if that itself is a problem with the hasgocha---ie they really have no legal mirsas from committing a kashrus error.

IIRC, Hershey PA wanted a similar thing, but eventually the OU stood up to them and said that they either print the OU or nothing.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on August 07, 2017, 04:51:52 PM
Yup understood like that.
 Curios to why they don't write out the hechsher? And I remember calling up the Ou and even telling me it's fine as well as the star K having a list with all the cereals and there bracha and having the list which says all kellogs cereals when bearing an OU.. interesting when your telling me that it's KVH.
 Will post a picture here later when I get a minute.
This issue was just discussed on a Kashrus whatsapp group recently.

Here's a response someone posted:

Quote
Because some companies maintain a k in case they change hashgachos, and they would have to reprint packaging. This issue happened to several cereal companies over the years, and this could be their reasoning

It was posted after a discussion about the following letter:
(http://i.imgur.com/VAnueB1.png)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: myi on August 07, 2017, 04:55:02 PM
Quote
Because some companies maintain a k in case they change hashgachos, and they would have to reprint packaging. This issue happened to several cereal companies over the years, and this could be their reasoning

Imagine all companies start to use this excuse and I got to start shopping with a dictionary of the kosher products. ;) lol
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on August 07, 2017, 05:03:05 PM
This issue was just discussed on a Kashrus whatsapp group recently.

Here's a response someone posted:

It was posted after a discussion about the following letter:
(http://i.imgur.com/VAnueB1.png)
Of course these are all items which never had a hechsher. What were they expecting the gelatin to be?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on August 07, 2017, 09:06:24 PM
Never really got a straight answer but why does kellogs cereal products only place a K on the product versus the full hechsher like the ou or cof k who ever is backing the product?
pretty sure no one currently at Kellogg's even has a clear answer as to why they don't print a KVH. Trust me, the KVH lobbied long and hard for kellogs to print a KVH but the k and been so long grandfathered in that no one wanted to change the status quo.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: good sam on August 10, 2017, 01:53:06 PM
Good? (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170810/fdf08b655beffbda7154f395aa54bdef.jpg)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: henche on August 10, 2017, 02:07:04 PM
Good? (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170810/fdf08b655beffbda7154f395aa54bdef.jpg)

Delicious
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: 12HRS on August 10, 2017, 02:19:00 PM
Good?

depends who you ask.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: skyguy918 on August 10, 2017, 02:22:19 PM
Good?
Rabbi Steinberg's son-in-law. There's a comment here with a letter from Rabbi Schechter answering various questions about his hashgacha of Bagel Boss:
http://thepeopleschampblog.blogspot.com/2008/10/five-towns-vaad-bagel-boss-and-messing.html?showComment=1226946060000#c8588608714417070788

Of particular note:
Quote
First, it is not our intention to compete with the Vaad establishments. I recomend that if all things are equal that you that you patronize them. Quite frankly, their Kashrus standards are higher than ours.
Quote
We get quality produce (which is rarely infested) and we wash them carefully. My Assistant and I spot check them to make sure. We do not have a Mashgiach washing them or a light box, etc. I tell people who have a higher standard to avoid eating these vegetables at Bagel Boss.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: myi on August 10, 2017, 06:15:22 PM
Is there still problems with the bugs with corn on the cob?
 
 
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: HKFS on August 10, 2017, 06:23:16 PM
Is there still problems with the bugs with corn on the cob?

http://www.cor.ca/view/472/corn_on_the_cob.html
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yitzgar on August 10, 2017, 09:03:01 PM
http://www.cor.ca/view/472/corn_on_the_cob.html
Helpful link, but doesn't answer the question
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: avromie7 on August 10, 2017, 09:04:31 PM
Is there still problems with the bugs with corn on the cob?
Star K app says "remove peel and rinse"
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: myi on August 10, 2017, 09:22:26 PM
Star K app says "remove peel and rinse"
Is ok to do that before I put in the microwave, or would I need to do that after the heat cooked/baked it?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: avromie7 on August 10, 2017, 09:35:15 PM
Is ok to do that before I put in the microwave, or would I need to do that after the heat cooked/baked it?
My understanding is to do that while it's raw
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: jose34 on August 12, 2017, 03:11:17 PM
BTW a good resource especially when flying or in a place with no wifi and cant ask anyone about a specific  hechshar is:

http://www.crcweb.org/agency_list.php

Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on August 13, 2017, 08:42:29 AM
BTW a good resource especially when flying or in a place with no wifi and cant ask anyone about a specific  hechshar is:

http://www.crcweb.org/agency_list.php
Thanks for posting.

Most interesting part of that list is Israel. Never heard of Seckbac, but some other major ones aren't there.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: myi on August 13, 2017, 09:06:19 AM
BTW a good resource especially when flying or in a place with no wifi and cant ask anyone about a specific  hechshar is:

http://www.crcweb.org/agency_list.php
A great list, but make sure to have it handy if there is no wifi, as the internet doesn't work either i suppose.  ;)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Joe4007 on August 13, 2017, 10:13:47 AM
A great list, but make sure to have it handy if there is no wifi, as the internet doesn't work either i suppose.  ;)
Download the PDF.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on August 13, 2017, 11:02:15 AM
Download the PDF.
Interestingly, a cursory look shows that PDF has some names (at least one) that aren't on the webpage list, and possible vice versa. For example, my friend Rabbi Havlin (I have no knowledge or comment about the quality of his hashgocho) of Frankfurt is on the PDF, but not on the list.

Also saw some other names on the PDF that don't appear on the list, that I would consider questionable.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Alexsei on August 13, 2017, 12:21:29 PM
CRC android app is great too
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: thaber on August 13, 2017, 01:50:17 PM
Interestingly, a cursory look shows that PDF has some names (at least one) that aren't on the webpage list, and possible vice versa. For example, my friend Rabbi Havlin (I have no knowledge or comment about the quality of his hashgocho) of Frankfurt is on the PDF, but not on the list.

Also saw some other names on the PDF that don't appear on the list, that I would consider questionable.
Can't look now, but IIRC there's a last updated date on each
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: myi on August 13, 2017, 03:46:55 PM
Can't look now, but IIRC there's a last updated date on each
I see R' Adler is listed on the cor, why not rabbi Felder?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: thaber on August 13, 2017, 03:51:58 PM
I see R' Adler is listed on the cor, why not rabbi Felder?
I have no idea. I don't work for the CRC or the COR.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on August 13, 2017, 08:43:43 PM
I see R' Adler is listed on the cor, why not rabbi Felder?
Rabbi Felder is the chairman of the Rabbinical board.
Rabbi Adler is an administrator. Most of the hashgachos name an administrator as a contact since he is hands on.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: myi on August 13, 2017, 09:10:59 PM
Rabbi Felder is the chairman of the Rabbinical board.
Rabbi Adler is an administrator. Most of the hashgachos name an administrator as a contact since he is hands on.
I hear, makes sense.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: skyguy918 on August 14, 2017, 12:38:35 PM
Need some serious help from the Israelis on here.

Anyone ever heard of Mateh Binyamin (mehadrin)? Hoping it's good enough for a pizza/pasta place b'shaas hadchak - family obligations out in the middle of nowhere.

Also, trying to find info on Rabbi Eli Schenkolewski from Beit Shemesh. We have a family simcha there where the caterer is basically a neighbor that does all the cooking herself. We gave her a list of hechsherim she can buy all ingredients with, but her only 'hechsher' is from this Rabbi Schenkolewski. Trying to find out more to be on slightly more solid ground.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: HKFS on August 14, 2017, 01:59:19 PM
Need some serious help from the Israelis on here.

Anyone ever heard of Mateh Binyamin (mehadrin)? Hoping it's good enough for a pizza/pasta place b'shaas hadchak - family obligations out in the middle of nowhere.

Also, trying to find info on Rabbi Eli Schenkolewski from Beit Shemesh. We have a family simcha there where the caterer is basically a neighbor that does all the cooking herself. We gave her a list of hechsherim she can buy all ingredients with, but her only 'hechsher' is from this Rabbi Schenkolewski. Trying to find out more to be on slightly more solid ground.

I would doubt that Mateh Binyamin (mehadrin) is any better than Rabbanut Yerushalaim Mehadrin.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: skyguy918 on August 14, 2017, 02:23:20 PM
I would doubt that Mateh Binyamin (mehadrin) is any better than Rabbanut Yerushalaim Mehadrin.
Okay, but that might be just good enough for me in this specific situation. However, it's also possible that it's not any better than any old regular rabbanut. Hence my question.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on August 14, 2017, 02:45:49 PM
Okay, but that might be just good enough for me in this specific situation. However, it's also possible that it's not any better than any old regular rabbanut. Hence my question.
I don't know anything about it, but based on http://www.binyamin.org.il/545/ it would sound like it would really depend on the local Rabbi and might not be a uniform standard.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: good sam on August 14, 2017, 08:30:12 PM
Anyone here of an issue with Kelloggs cereal?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on August 14, 2017, 08:33:48 PM
Anyone here of an issue with Kelloggs cereal?
there are no issues with Kellogg's.
Cereals with a K are certified kosher Pareve and those with a KD are certified kosher dairy. Any products with gelatin are not certified and there are no issues of shared equipment.
The OU is now certifying kellogs and all questions or concerns can be addressed to the OU.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuds70 on August 14, 2017, 08:37:19 PM
Anyone here of an issue with Kelloggs cereal?
The K symbol means nothing other than the ingredients are kosher. Not really supervised.

But A quick Google search showed this

 "The cRc recommends Kellogg's cereals with only a K on the box. In my experience, I have not heard of anybody who disagrees with this. This is an unusual situation, though, since normally a plain K does not indicate reliable kashrut supervision. Apparently those cereals are under the supervision of the Rabbinical Council of New England (see linked question), but for some reason Kellogg's does not mark the boxes as being under their certification."
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yuds70 on August 14, 2017, 08:39:42 PM
there are no issues with Kellogg's.
Cereals with a K are certified kosher Pareve and those with a KD are certified kosher dairy. Any products with gelatin are not certified and there are no issues of shared equipment.
The OU is now certifying kellogs and all questions or concerns can be addressed to the OU.
Thank you for bringing this on to the light. When the box bears an OU that will for sure get more customer base.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on August 14, 2017, 08:40:44 PM
The K symbol means nothing other than the ingredients are kosher. Not really supervised.

But A quick Google search showed this

 "The cRc recommends Kellogg's cereals with only a K on the box. In my experience, I have not heard of anybody who disagrees with this. This is an unusual situation, though, since normally a plain K does not indicate reliable kashrut supervision. Apparently those cereals are under the supervision of the Rabbinical Council of New England
OU  (see linked question), but for some reason Kellogg's does not mark the boxes as being under their certification."
FTFY
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: good sam on August 14, 2017, 11:40:39 PM
Anyone here of an issue with Kelloggs cereal?
Here? Holy moly! Wrote that in the go. Actually in the cereal aisle.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: jackofall on August 15, 2017, 01:04:18 AM
in the go.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: thaber on August 15, 2017, 02:56:48 AM
Thank you for bringing this on to the light. When the box bears an OU that will for sure get more customer base.
Not gonna happen and if it happens the increase in customer base will be statically negligible
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on August 15, 2017, 04:38:25 AM
Not gonna happen and if it happens the increase in customer base will be statically negligible
it will happen. Pretty sure that was part of the negotiation
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: henche on August 15, 2017, 11:24:18 AM
it will happen. Pretty sure that was part of the negotiation

tell us more.  Why they drop KVH? Which side wanted it on box, and which side didnt?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: thaber on August 15, 2017, 12:12:09 PM
tell us more.  Why they drop KVH? Which side wanted it on box, and which side didnt?
Kvh was bought out by ou, IIUC
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: good sam on August 15, 2017, 12:46:19 PM

Lol
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: henche on August 15, 2017, 02:08:02 PM
Kvh was bought out by ou, IIUC

Do you uc?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on August 15, 2017, 03:16:56 PM
Kvh was bought out by ou, IIUC
KVH was definitely not bought out by the OU...
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: thaber on August 15, 2017, 04:10:28 PM
Do you uc?
guess not
KVH was definitely not bought out by the OU...
must have been a false rumor. Or, like one of our local hashgochas, they were talking about it so upped their standards and then it didn't happen (yet, I think)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: henche on August 15, 2017, 04:20:04 PM
KVH was definitely not bought out by the OU...

I notice you only denied it once you were forced to
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: incendia on August 15, 2017, 04:50:41 PM
guess notmust have been a false rumor. Or, like one of our local hashgochas, they were talking about it so upped their standards and then it didn't happen (yet, I think)

Why do you think that KVH didn't already gave high standards?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Yikes2179 on August 15, 2017, 04:58:57 PM
Why do you think that KVH didn't already gave high standards?
Previously they were not on the CRC recommended list
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on August 15, 2017, 07:03:58 PM
Previously they were not on the CRC recommended list
the KVH is a completely different organization, both in terms of standards and in terms of SOP and personnel than it was 6 years ago.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on August 15, 2017, 07:04:38 PM
I notice you only denied it once you were forced to
not sure what your implication is?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: henche on August 15, 2017, 07:07:08 PM
not sure what your implication is?

and you still haven't denounced nazism
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: thaber on August 16, 2017, 02:40:58 AM
Any clear consensus on using a treife grill? A couple layers of silver foil technically works, but I'm not sure of the practicalities.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yitrap on August 16, 2017, 03:18:08 AM
Any clear consensus on using a treife grill? A couple layers of silver foil technically works, but I'm not sure of the practicalities.
My father did this recently. Might work for you. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170816/d63677e459e72cdeba5e3c40a9720d68.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170816/c99776c3cbe257c2bf72649bf5e28630.jpg)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yitzgar on August 16, 2017, 08:43:28 AM
Any clear consensus on using a treife grill? A couple layers of silver foil technically works, but I'm not sure of the practicalities.
Ou had a video about it recently
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: sky121 on August 16, 2017, 11:33:44 AM
Anyone know anything about this Hechsher ?(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170816/c2a0b62973b14089ee20660d1ac7529e.jpg)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: sky121 on August 16, 2017, 01:51:10 PM
CMIIW but that's not Texas...
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Alexsei on August 16, 2017, 01:55:05 PM
CMIIW but that's not Texas...
Correct I removed my post
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Shotguns on August 16, 2017, 02:03:20 PM
I think that it is a hechsher from Peru.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Alexsei on August 16, 2017, 02:48:32 PM
Anyone know anything about this Hechsher ?(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170816/c2a0b62973b14089ee20660d1ac7529e.jpg)
Can you send a picture from the front of label?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: sky121 on August 16, 2017, 02:49:26 PM
Can you send a picture from the front of label?
Don't have the can anymore.  It's from Peru if that helps.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Alexsei on August 16, 2017, 02:55:28 PM
Don't have the can anymore.  It's from Peru if that helps.
Here you go
https://www.chowhound.com/post/kosher-certified-canned-artichoke-hearts-584364?page=2

From CRC http://www.crcweb.org/guide_to_purchase_fruit.php
Quote
Canned Vegetable Guide

Most canned vegetables require a reliable hashgacha. There are some exceptions to the rule. Hearts of palm and artichoke bottoms under the supervision of the Peru Rabbinate are acceptable if only packed in water (no oil or vinegar). Artichoke hearts under the same hashgacha are not recommended. There may be other exceptions to the rule, but unless you know otherwise, all others would need a reliable hashgacha.
It's Rabbi Benhamu
http://www.kosherdelight.com/Peru_Synagogues.shtml

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000F4D50I

https://oukosher.org/kosher-alerts/american-rolands-artichoke-hearts/
Quote
A limited quantity of American Roland canned artichokes mistakenly bear an OU symbol. The OU does not certify this product because of bedikas tolayim concerns.

Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Alexsei on August 21, 2017, 11:20:07 AM
There are some tasters choice instant coffee in can's which do not have an OU is that a concern?

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170821/ddf02046c13dea500bee3c4a1a8537f0.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170821/b1a474f36ae250632642210e408f61ce.jpg)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on August 21, 2017, 11:24:05 AM
There are some tasters choice instant coffee in can's which do not have an OU is that a concern?

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170821/ddf02046c13dea500bee3c4a1a8537f0.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170821/b1a474f36ae250632642210e408f61ce.jpg)
https://oukosher.org/blog/kosher-in-the-factory/coffee/ (https://oukosher.org/blog/kosher-in-the-factory/coffee/)
It is assumed that instant coffee does not require a hechsher, since coffee plants process just that and nothing else. Although there are forms of flavored instant coffees, the flavors are added at ambient temperatures after the drying process. Nevertheless, it is good and prudent practice to purchase instant coffee with a hechsher. Circumstances and processing methods are always subject to change, and require constant monitoring to confirm that these assumptions remain correct. Many years ago, Rav Yosef Eliyahu Henkin zt’l recommended that consumers purchase salt and other seemingly harmless products, with a hechsher only (see Eidus LeYisroel p. 132).

(https://t.gyazo.com/teams/lowerwatt/31f455d53bc31d89bc4c10c9b5b289e5.png)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Alexsei on August 21, 2017, 11:26:57 AM
https://oukosher.org/blog/kosher-in-the-factory/coffee/ (https://oukosher.org/blog/kosher-in-the-factory/coffee/)
It is assumed that instant coffee does not require a hechsher, since coffee plants process just that and nothing else. Although there are forms of flavored instant coffees, the flavors are added at ambient temperatures after the drying process. Nevertheless, it is good and prudent practice to purchase instant coffee with a hechsher. Circumstances and processing methods are always subject to change, and require constant monitoring to confirm that these assumptions remain correct. Many years ago, Rav Yosef Eliyahu Henkin zt’l recommended that consumers purchase salt and other seemingly harmless products, with a hechsher only (see Eidus LeYisroel p. 132).

(https://t.gyazo.com/teams/lowerwatt/31f455d53bc31d89bc4c10c9b5b289e5.png)
My friend called nestle they said it doesn't have a certification since that plant processes milk products...
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on August 21, 2017, 11:38:24 AM
My friend called nestle they said it doesn't have a certification since that plant processes milk products...
Makes sense.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Alexsei on August 21, 2017, 11:43:15 AM
Makes sense.
Should that be a concern?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on August 21, 2017, 11:44:26 AM
Should that be a concern?
Don't see that it should but you can call the OU and see what they say.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on August 21, 2017, 03:31:32 PM
https://oukosher.org/blog/kosher-in-the-factory/coffee/ (https://oukosher.org/blog/kosher-in-the-factory/coffee/)
It is assumed that instant coffee does not require a hechsher, since coffee plants process just that and nothing else. Although there are forms of flavored instant coffees, the flavors are added at ambient temperatures after the drying process. Nevertheless, it is good and prudent practice to purchase instant coffee with a hechsher. Circumstances and processing methods are always subject to change, and require constant monitoring to confirm that these assumptions remain correct. Many years ago, Rav Yosef Eliyahu Henkin zt’l recommended that consumers purchase salt and other seemingly harmless products, with a hechsher only (see Eidus LeYisroel p. 132).

(https://t.gyazo.com/teams/lowerwatt/31f455d53bc31d89bc4c10c9b5b289e5.png)
The whole assumption is based on an incorrect premiss. Typical OU
Totally reckless as long as they can be meikal.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on August 21, 2017, 03:51:21 PM
The whole assumption is based on an incorrect premiss. Typical OU
Totally reckless as long as they can be meikal.
Their statement that coffee plants don't process other things is not contradictory to to them processing milk. The milk can be powdered milk mixed dry at ambient temperature to make various cappuccino type drinks. That is the most likely scenario. If you look around you will see that every major hechsher has this same opinion.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on August 21, 2017, 03:59:01 PM
Their statement that coffee plants don't process other things is not contradictory to to them processing milk. The milk can be powdered milk mixed dry at ambient temperature to make various cappuccino type drinks. That is the most likely scenario. If you look around you will see that every major hechsher has this same opinion.
What??!?
They also process ham. To go with the sandwich and the coffee. It's not contradictory because all the hechsherim rely on OU. (and that's why kids are otd. )

Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on August 21, 2017, 04:20:38 PM
What??!?
They also process ham. To go with the sandwich and the coffee. It's not contradictory because all the hechsherim rely on OU. (and that's why kids are otd. )


You've been reading too much of Yudel Shain. You don't understand how what I wrote makes sense? If you don't understand the logic behind what I wrote then maybe you shouldn't be commenting about hechsherim. If there is an issue you have with it then say what it is.

The star-k, CRC etc do not just rely on the OU. Is there anyone who holds it DOES need a hechsher?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yelped on August 21, 2017, 04:26:57 PM
What??!?
They also process ham. To go with the sandwich and the coffee. It's not contradictory because all the hechsherim rely on OU. (and that's why kids are otd. )
Kids are OTD because they eat OU? I can think of many more direct reasons. Never mind that the TAZ disagrees with you.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Saulius on August 21, 2017, 04:40:53 PM
Hi,

    Wanted to know from the kashrus experts, what the deal is with drinks where the ingredients are all 100% kosher -- just doesn't make the kosher list because the factory uses the same machinery for other products that have grape ingredients.

E.g. 100% pure apple juice.

I am sure the factories would clean / flush the equipment out between the production of different products, as people have allergies. So the question is why one cannot rely on bitul?

Thanks
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on August 21, 2017, 05:01:25 PM
Hi,

    Wanted to know from the kashrus experts, what the deal is with drinks where the ingredients are all 100% kosher -- just doesn't make the kosher list because the factory uses the same machinery for other products that have grape ingredients.

E.g. 100% pure apple juice.

I am sure the factories would clean / flush the equipment out between the production of different products, as people have allergies. So the question is why one cannot rely on bitul?

Thanks
There is a concept called bliyos which creates certain precise requirements to run kosher using non kosher equipment.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on August 21, 2017, 05:05:14 PM
You've been reading too much of Yudel Shain. You don't understand how what I wrote makes sense? If you don't understand the logic behind what I wrote then maybe you shouldn't be commenting about hechsherim. If there is an issue you have with it then say what it is.

The star-k, CRC etc do not just rely on the OU. Is there anyone who holds it DOES need a hechsher?
Saying that plants only make coffee, and therefore doesn't need a hechsher, does not mean they also make milk. That is so rediculous. If they process other things besides coffee they most definitely need a hechsher.
The OU was wrong about the premiss.

So now coffee is milchig , but it's ok because it's chlov hacompanies? How does that make sense to you?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on August 21, 2017, 05:05:44 PM
There is a concept called bliyos which creates certain precise requirements to run kosher using non kosher equipment.
I thought it's fine? Like coffee.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on August 21, 2017, 05:09:20 PM
Kids are OTD because they eat OU? I can think of many more direct reasons. Never mind that the TAZ disagrees with you.
Taz says a modern orthodox organization is lechatchila? Where?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Alexsei on August 21, 2017, 05:09:40 PM
The question is something else, standard nestle tasters choice do have on OU, these DON't, now for what reason? if it is due to a kashrus concern that should concern the public too if not than it's a different story
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on August 21, 2017, 05:11:52 PM
The question is something else, standard nestle tasters choice do have on OU, these DON't, now for what reason? if it is due to a kashrus concern that should concern the public too if not than it's a different story
According to an OU article that @aygart linked, it's fine and doesn't need a hechsher because the plant only makes coffee.
Problem is that this is simply not true in this case. And it definitely would therefore need a hechsher even according to the OU.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on August 21, 2017, 05:14:33 PM
Saying that plants only make coffee, and therefore doesn't need a hechsher, does not mean they also make milk. That is so rediculous. If they process other things besides coffee they most definitely need a hechsher.
The OU was wrong about the premiss.

So now coffee is milchig , but it's ok because it's chlov hacompanies? How does that make sense to you?

If the drying equipment is used exclusively for coffee and the only other ingredients in the plant are mixed into the dry coffee then regular coffee which does not go through that equipment will automatically not be affected. It is not that they dry milk in the plant but that they have a separate piece of equipment in which they mix powdered milk with the dry coffee at ambient temperatures. In that case it would be included in this.
Although there are forms of flavored instant coffees, the flavors are added at ambient temperatures after the drying process.
So we can easily have a plant which would say they process milk but doesn't do so in a manner which would cause a kashrus problem. If giving a hechsher on it then the hechsher would need to make all sorts of assurances that there is no residue while practically even if there is it would be batel and we have a right to rely on the cleaning process.

And again, if this is not something you understood from my previous post you should refrain from discussing hechsherim.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on August 21, 2017, 05:16:15 PM
If the drying equipment is used exclusively for coffee and the only other ingredients in the plant are mixed into the dry coffee then regular coffee which does not go through that equipment will automatically not be affected. It is not that they dry milk in the plant but that they have a separate piece of equipment in which they mix powdered milk with the dry coffee at ambient temperatures. In that case it would be included in this.So we can easily have a plant which would say they process milk but doesn't do so in a manner which would cause a kashrus problem. If giving a hechsher on it then the hechsher would need to make all sorts of assurances that there is no residue while practically even if there is it would be batel and we have a right to rely on the cleaning process.

And again, if this is not something you understood from my previous post you should refrain from discussing hechsherim.
I say they dry milk.
And sticking that into the "flavor" disclaimer is disingenuous
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on August 21, 2017, 05:16:35 PM
According to an OU article that @aygart linked, it's fine and doesn't need a hechsher because the plant only makes coffee.
Problem is that this is simply not true in this case. And it definitely would therefore need a hechsher even according to the OU.
Is there anyone who actually knows what they are talking about who is of this opinion?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on August 21, 2017, 05:17:09 PM
I say they dry milk.
On what basis?

And sticking that into the "flavor" disclaimer is disingenuous
Why?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on August 21, 2017, 05:18:31 PM
On what basis?
Logic. What else are they doing with milk?

Mixing it in to the "flavor" in a separate milchic kitchen part of the plant? Nah.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on August 21, 2017, 05:18:56 PM
I thought it's fine? Like coffee.
How does room temperature powder in a mixer have bliyos?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: Alexsei on August 21, 2017, 05:19:51 PM
It may be DROPR in the nestle case, wondering what's the actual reason these d o not have an OU as opposed to other Tasters Choice
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on August 21, 2017, 05:22:54 PM
Logic. What else are they doing with milk?

Mixing it in to the "flavor" in a separate milchic kitchen part of the plant? Nah.
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of how these products are made. When you have a container of powdered cappuccino the plant where they dry the coffee is highly unlikely to be the one drying the milk. In order to dry milk they would need all of the equipment and regulations of a dairy. Instead they buy powdered milk and simply mix it with the dried coffee in a tumbler which looks similar to a drier. All that ever goes into the tumbler will be dry powders at ambient temperature.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on August 21, 2017, 05:25:12 PM
It may be DROPR in the nestle case, wondering what's the actual reason these d o not have an OU as opposed to other Tasters Choice
So we can easily have a plant which would say they process milk but doesn't do so in a manner which would cause a kashrus problem. If giving a hechsher on it then the hechsher would need to make all sorts of assurances that there is no residue while practically even if there is it would be batel and we have a right to rely on the cleaning process.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yelped on August 21, 2017, 05:41:50 PM
Taz says a modern orthodox organization is lechatchila? Where?
He says in 112 if it's mutar then it's not Metamtem es Halev. Draw your own conclusions.

And he's actually talking about a case where the davar issur is batel. He says it's no longer Metamtem es Halev.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on August 21, 2017, 06:56:24 PM
I'm going to let all the experts hash it out without having done some basic research. I'm starting to understand why doctors hate internet medical advice.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on August 21, 2017, 07:41:59 PM
I'm going to let all the experts hash it out without having done some basic research. I'm starting to understand why doctors hate internet medical advice.
Point of note, I have asked twice if there is anyone who knows what they are talking about who disagrees with the OU, OK, Star K, CRC and others about this. Meanwhile there have been no replies.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: thaber on August 21, 2017, 09:02:10 PM
They dry milk in totally different, specialized plants. I've seen this firsthand. I'm dan lekaf zechus that when you say they dry milk on the same equipment that they freeze dry coffee you're trolling.
re apple juice  - a certain national brand apple juice (with an unreliable hashgocha) was made for years on the same equipment as clam chowder. I wouldn't be comfortable with that, would you? Minute maid had reports of being verified to only process Orange juice, nothing else, if that's really tue, and still true, and I had it from a reliable source, then I would be ok with that, personally.

Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on August 21, 2017, 10:07:52 PM
They dry milk in totally different, specialized plants. I've seen this firsthand. I'm dan lekaf zechus that when you say they dry milk on the same equipment that they freeze dry coffee you're trolling.
re apple juice  - a certain national brand apple juice (with an unreliable hashgocha) was made for years on the same equipment as clam chowder. I wouldn't be comfortable with that, would you? Minute maid had reports of being verified to only process Orange juice, nothing else, if that's really tue, and still true, and I had it from a reliable source, then I would be ok with that, personally.
I would think that clam chowder needs totally different equipment than apple juice... - But I'm not supprised, and neither should you be - that a plant that has specialized equipment to spray/dry coffee, could technically be spray drying milk. Or even clam chowder.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on August 21, 2017, 11:07:41 PM
I would think that clam chowder needs totally different equipment than apple juice... - But I'm not supprised, and neither should you be - that a plant that has specialized equipment to spray/dry coffee, could technically be spray drying milk. Or even clam chowder.
What you would think in your ignorance is irrelevant. It it's easy and common to use a pasteurizer for various items. Your thoughts that clam chowder would need different equipment than juice is without basis as is your assumption that a plant which dries coffee would (more relevant than could) also dry milk. It would be silly to do it due to the specialized system needed for milk.

Again, is there anyone knowledgeable who disagrees with these hechsherim about this or is it only your baseless feelings?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: myi on August 22, 2017, 02:11:36 AM
Is this true about the OU in israel that it's a totally different hechsher then the onein America and has nothing to do with each other?  (for example a honey nut cheerios which has an OU.

 And what about FIBRE1 in israel made by nestle with a hechsher from Portugal (vaad hachasrus of portugal.( looks like a K inside an upside down shield or the window of a king.
And they even leave you a number to be reached at (1-700-50-10-88

 Or is there a reliable person that can be called to verify the hecsherim in israel,meaning a rav in israel that's reliable to hold from? Thanks.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: cholent on August 22, 2017, 02:34:46 AM
Is this true about the OU in israel that it's a totally different hechsher then the onein America and has nothing to do with each other?  (for example a honey nut cheerios which has an OU.

 And what about FIBRE1 in israel made by nestle with a hechsher from Portugal (vaad hachasrus of portugal.( looks like a K inside an upside down shield or the window of a king.
And they even leave you a number to be reached at (1-700-50-10-88

 Or is there a reliable person that can be called to verify the hecsherim in israel,meaning a rav in israel that's reliable to hold from? Thanks.
Not true. Rabbi Elefant, who is the COO of OU kosher and a talmid chacham whom I greatly respect, has confirmed for me multiple times that they have the same standards (and they are definitely the same organization)
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on August 22, 2017, 06:46:05 AM
Not true. Rabbi Elefant, who is the COO of OU kosher and a talmid chacham whom I greatly respect, has confirmed for me multiple times that they have the same standards (and they are definitely the same organization)
I'm not commenting one way or the other on the original question, but asking Rabbi Elefant about the reliability of the OU is the best proof, even if he's right. (I have nothing but respect for Rabbi Elefant. I have a close personal and professional relationship with him)
Just pointing it out....
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: cholent on August 22, 2017, 06:49:32 AM
I'm not commenting one way or the other on the original question, but asking Rabbi Elefant about the reliability of the OU is the best proof, even if he's right. (I have nothing but respect for Rabbi Elefant. I have a close personal and professional relationship with him)
Just pointing it out....
On the contrary. He is in the best position to know. Your point would be fair if I didn't trust him and respect him at the level I do. And he himself relies on ou Israel when he is there
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on August 22, 2017, 07:23:33 AM
Is this true about the OU in israel that it's a totally different hechsher then the onein America and has nothing to do with each other?  (for example a honey nut cheerios which has an OU.

 And what about FIBRE1 in israel made by nestle with a hechsher from Portugal (vaad hachasrus of portugal.( looks like a K inside an upside down shield or the window of a king.
And they even leave you a number to be reached at (1-700-50-10-88

 Or is there a reliable person that can be called to verify the hecsherim in israel,meaning a rav in israel that's reliable to hold from? Thanks.
I don't know really, but how can it be a separate hechsher if it's the same one?

Anyway, the benei Torah in ey (Israelis) have never eaten OU. This is primarily due to the fact that the orthodox Union is a modern orthodox hashgacha and organization. Combined with the fact that they have a whole bunch of mainstream solid other options for kashrus.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: moko on August 22, 2017, 07:57:04 AM
On the contrary. He is in the best position to know. Your point would be fair if I didn't trust him and respect him at the level I do. And he himself relies on ou Israel when he is there
no argument from regarding Rabbi Elefant. But I'm just pointing out that your comment is not likely to be sufficient to quell internet rumors.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on August 22, 2017, 08:08:51 AM
I don't know really, but how can it be a separate hechsher if it's the same one?

Anyway, the benei Torah in ey (Israelis) have never eaten OU. This is primarily due to the fact that the orthodox Union is a modern orthodox hashgacha and organization. Combined with the fact that they have a whole bunch of mainstream solid other options for kashrus.
The "never" is not a very long one though. While it was administered by R Rubin everyone are it because of him. Since then they seem to have gone through some organizational issues. These can someone mean that even if they have great standards they may not be supervising and enforcing their adherence adequately. This would not be a contradiction to them having the same standards as here.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on August 22, 2017, 08:44:56 AM
What you would think in your ignorance is irrelevant. It it's easy and common to use a pasteurizer for various items. Your thoughts that clam chowder would need different equipment than juice is without basis as is your assumption that a plant which dries coffee would (more relevant than could) also dry milk. It would be silly to do it due to the specialized system needed for milk.

Again, is there anyone knowledgeable who disagrees with these hechsherim about this or is it only your baseless feelings?
Please. Clam chowder is clam soup. Doesn't just need "pasturizing" like some fruit juice.
Powdered milk is closer to powdered coffee, then clam chowder to apple juice.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on August 22, 2017, 08:51:44 AM
Please. Clam chowder is clam soup. Doesn't just need "pasturizing" like some fruit juice.
Powdered milk is closer to powdered coffee, then clam chowder to apple juice.

On what basis are you saying this? Was the chowder cooked there or was it only packaged?
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on August 22, 2017, 11:00:53 AM
On what basis are you saying this? Was the chowder cooked there or was it only packaged?
Dunno, but lumping chowder w apple juice, that just needs pasturizing is wrong.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on August 22, 2017, 12:10:28 PM
Dunno, but lumping chowder w apple juice, that just needs pasturizing is wrong.
Okay I see. Good thing that instead of you running hechsherim they are run by people who actually make sure to know the facts.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on August 22, 2017, 01:20:48 PM
Okay I see. Good thing that instead of you running hechsherim they are run by people who actually make sure to know the facts.
The whole discussion is based on the evidence that they appear to not know the fact that not only coffee is being made.
Your aurgument is basically that they for sure know. Because they are a professional corporate, internationally renowned kashruth organization.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: aygart on August 22, 2017, 02:40:31 PM
The whole discussion is based on the evidence that they appear to not know the fact that not only coffee is being made.
Your aurgument is basically that they for sure know. Because they are a professional corporate, internationally renowned kashruth organization.

I have shown that your premise is simply incorrect. YOu  are making ignorant assumptions that it is made on the drying equipment with zero basis in fact. My argument had nothing to do with their reputation at all and I did not mention it even once. I did ask 3 times if there was anyone who has knowledge of facts who disagrees with the assessment of all of these organizations and you have ignored it all three times. I have written based upon first hand knowledge of some of the equipment and processes as well as personal discussions with people who know them much better than I do.

It is also ridiculous to assume that the OU has no clue that there is dairy in a coffee plant since Nestle most likely had a conversation with them about having the OU on these cans as well. That would somewhat inform the RC in charge of coffee that there is dairy there I would think.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yitrap on August 22, 2017, 02:58:18 PM
Okay I see. Good thing that instead of you running hechsherim they are run by people who actually make sure to know the facts.
No, If CBC ran them nobody would be OTD  :P
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: myi on August 22, 2017, 06:49:14 PM
I don't know really, but how can it be a separate hechsher if it's the same one?

Anyway, the benei Torah in ey (Israelis) have never eaten OU. This is primarily due to the fact that the orthodox Union is a modern orthodox hashgacha and organization. Combined with the fact that they have a whole bunch of mainstream solid other options for kashrus.
I guess that would explain why this south African guy who came to visit israel is busy brain washing me that there are two different OU's and not the same reliable.
 And he even agrees he would not eat the ou as he relies on the one hechsher they have in south Africa, while here is israel he will eat only the fachnachta brands.

 I do see that nestle makes the cheerios and even says, cereal partners worldwide nestle and general mills.
Title: Re: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread
Post by: yitrap on August 22, 2017, 06:57:55 PM
I guess that would explain why this south African guy who came to visit israel is busy brain washing me that there are two different OU's