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Title: Latest "iPhone 5" Rumor: Apple to reveal release date on Aug 7
Post by: 123ablack on July 15, 2012, 02:29:01 PM
Multiple tech sites are reporting the leaked info about Apple bringing forward their iPhone 5 launch - from October to August and that the release date will be released at Apple's Kynote event on August 7.

Apple allegedly changed the release month after feeling heat from Samsung's successful release of their Galaxy S3 on all major networks (which is expected to have sold over 10 million devices by the end of its first 30 days).

Source of this rumor: KnowYourMobile
http://www.knowyourmobile.com/blog/1482786/iphone_5_official_release_date_revealed_as_august_7.html

In other news, Reuters reports of some Chinese e-commerce websites now accepting preorders for the popularly dubbed iPhone 5.
http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/07/12/us-apple-iphone-idINBRE86B09L20120712

Is there any depth to all those rumors? I guess we oughta hang tight and wait for Aug 7 to arrive..
One reason to be skeptical... KnowYourMobile in general does not carry the best track record when it comes to predict product release dates..

Title: Re: Latest "iPhone 5" Rumor: Apple to reveal release date on Aug 7
Post by: AJK on July 15, 2012, 03:50:31 PM
Is there any depth to all those rumors?

I guess we oughta hang tight and wait for Aug 7 to arrive..

I mean, unless you think someone on DDF a) works for Apple, and b) is going to share that info with someone on DDF  :o
Title: Re: Latest "iPhone 5" Rumor: Apple to reveal release date on Aug 7
Post by: 123ablack on July 15, 2012, 06:07:03 PM
I mean, unless you think someone on DDF a) works for Apple, and b) is going to share that info with someone on DDF  :o

He-Hey Mr. AJK...
Do not underestimate the DDF members....  :D
We have Doctors, PAs, RNs, BLS, ALS, Lawers, Law-enforcement officers, politicians and yes we also have Apple Geek-Tech guys and scientists on board  ;)..  ;D
Title: Re: Latest "iPhone 5" Rumor: Apple to reveal release date on Aug 7
Post by: RJ898 on July 16, 2012, 12:52:24 PM
I've been looking into iPhone 5 rumors for almost 2 years, if iv'e learned anything It's: never trust an apple rumor.
Title: Re: Latest "iPhone 5" Rumor: Apple to reveal release date on Aug 7
Post by: 123ablack on July 16, 2012, 01:09:43 PM
I've been looking into iPhone 5 rumors for almost 2 years, if iv'e learned anything It's: never trust an apple rumor.

Unless they (apple) intensionally slowly release those rumors to hype the enthusiasm - as might very well be the case here..
Title: Re: Latest "iPhone 5" Rumor: Apple to reveal release date on Aug 7
Post by: zale on July 18, 2012, 01:08:25 AM
If you think for even a second that Apple is afraid of Samsung, you must be out of your mind.

Case in point: The Galaxy S3 will be worth less in 6 months than the Iphone 4S. Check Ebay early next year, and you will see for yourself.

Apple will make the S3 irrelevant.
Title: Re: Latest "iPhone 5" Rumor: Apple to reveal release date on Aug 7
Post by: AsherO on July 18, 2012, 01:14:03 AM
If you think for even a second that Apple is afraid of Samsung, you must be out of your mind.

Case in point: The Galaxy S3 will be worth less in 6 months than the Iphone 4S. Check Ebay early next year, and you will see for yourself.

Your point is irrelevant for the following reason(s):

1. Apple makes no money on resold devices, so the resale volume is irrelevant to them. Or (b'ofen acher)
2. All that says is that Apple users hold onto their devices for longer, which doesn't bid well for Apple. OTOH, Samsung (Android) users upgrade every 6-18 months on average (pulled the nmber out of my hat), meaning more devices sold for the android manufacturers.
Title: Re: Latest "iPhone 5" Rumor: Apple to reveal release date on Aug 7
Post by: elikay on July 18, 2012, 01:36:14 AM
If you think for even a second that Apple is afraid of Samsung, you must be out of your mind.

Case in point: The Galaxy S3 will be worth less in 6 months than the Iphone 4S. Check Ebay early next year, and you will see for yourself.

Apple will make the S3 irrelevant.
-1
The same losers (pardon the expression but I am trying to make a point) who are willing to buy Apple (now) are willing to pay a lot for any Apple device (its a cult-like feeling :) ) Android users will never pay more for an outdated Android.
Title: Re: Latest "iPhone 5" Rumor: Apple to reveal release date on Aug 7
Post by: zale on July 18, 2012, 05:35:21 PM
Your point is irrelevant for the following reason(s):

1. Apple makes no money on resold devices, so the resale volume is irrelevant to them. Or (b'ofen acher)
2. All that says is that Apple users hold onto their devices for longer, which doesn't bid well for Apple. OTOH, Samsung (Android) users upgrade every 6-18 months on average (pulled the nmber out of my hat), meaning more devices sold for the android manufacturers.

C'mon, you can do better than that.


In any case, I really don't have to prove anything, as the numbers will speak for themselves. The amount of Galaxy S3 sales will (as usual) pale in comparison to the Iphone 5. (Despite the 9 million pre-orders)

For the record, I own an Android.
Title: Re: Latest "iPhone 5" Rumor: Apple to reveal release date on Aug 7
Post by: sky121 on July 18, 2012, 05:44:38 PM
If you think for even a second that Apple is afraid of Samsung, you must be out of your mind.

Case in point: The Galaxy S3 will be worth less in 6 months than the Iphone 4S. Check Ebay early next year, and you will see for yourself.

Apple will make the S3 irrelevant.

Actually I was surprised to see how much the s2 was still selling for on Ebay yesterday.
Title: Re: Latest "iPhone 5" Rumor: Apple to reveal release date on Aug 7
Post by: zale on July 18, 2012, 08:07:08 PM
Actually I was surprised to see how much the s2 was still selling for on Ebay yesterday.

Cough, cough.

I'm sorry, what?

The s2 is selling used starting at $95 (Sprint), and Brand spanking new starting at $275 (and this is the "buy it now" stuff. The auction stuff is going even cheaper).

Now, let's not even talk about the 4S. The IPHONE 4 - that's right, the phone that was released 2 years ago, is starting USED at $250 - and these are the ones that are slightly broken. A new Iphone 4 STARTS at $425

You wanna talk unlocked?

The GS2 starts unlocked used good condition at $350, the Iphone 4 unlocked poor condition starts at $520.

Now, should we talk about the 4S? ... Let's not even go there.

Senseless Apple hate may be blinding your vision. Go back to Ebay and check again.
Title: Re: Latest "iPhone 5" Rumor: Apple to reveal release date on Aug 7
Post by: AsherO on July 18, 2012, 08:23:52 PM
C'mon, you can do better than that.

Will try :P

C'mon, you can do better than that.


1. It is irrelevant that Apple doesn't make money on aftermarket sales of hardware (even though they still do from the APP store). The FACT that Apple devices hold their value shows that the CONSUMER holds them highly valuable, and that is all that matters. When a consumer buys an Iphone, he is confident that it will retain its value for quite some time. (Just like smart car buyers used to buy only Japanese cars)[/li][/list]

1. Apple controls the retail pricing on their devices much stronger than Android.
2. Android has lots of manufacturers, and new phones (and major OS updates) being launched all the time. Contrast that with:
3. Apple launches a new iPhone approximately once a year,a dn due to the high-price of the devices (and debatably the small incremental changes) people are willing to buy older devices for a small discount.

2. On your second point, you are incorrect on two grounds: First, Apple keeps grabbing market share from Android and other platform users in large numbers, and the same can't be said the other way around, so they need not concern themselves with customers holding on to their phones. Second, most Apple device owners may not upgrade the first time, but they almost always will upgrade the second time (I.e., 4S owners may not get the 5, but they will most likely get the 5s)

Come again?:
(http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/4fcce416ecad040618000004/comscore-monthly-mobile-market-share.png)

The mere fact that the fanbois fall for the non-incremental iPhone models (WTF is 4s?) is good marketing, but it's subtle proof that apple knows they're not offering anything revolutionary with the updated device. I mean, WTF, Siri (which is software) requires a newer iPhone??

3. I'm not sure how upgrading 6-18 months helps Samsung, considering that Samsung is not the only player in the Android market. They may be on the top, but they face significant competition from HTC, and occasionally from LG and Motorola.

Within Android, people are typically loyal to their preferred flavor (HTC Evo, Moto Droid, Samsung Galaxy etc.).

In any case, Apple is definitely threatened by Android, look at all their recent IP-battle with the Android clan, it's sickening how low they'd stoop to block out the legit competition.
Title: Re: Latest "iPhone 5" Rumor: Apple to reveal release date on Aug 7
Post by: Mikeoracle on July 18, 2012, 08:27:39 PM
On your second point, you are incorrect on two grounds: First, Apple keeps grabbing market share from Android and other platform users in large numbers, and the same can't be said the other way around, so they need not concern themselves with customers holding on to their phones.
LMFAO
Title: Re: Latest "iPhone 5" Rumor: Apple to reveal release date on Aug 7
Post by: zale on July 18, 2012, 08:56:09 PM
LMFAO

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericsavitz/2012/07/17/apple-report-65-of-phone-owners-plan-to-buy-iphone-next/

You can continue to laugh your FAO until you sully yourself.

Oh, and read this one as well: http://www.businessinsider.com/munster-apple-is-guaranteed-to-sell-80-million-iphone-5s-2012-7

Change your shorts once you finish reading this.
Title: Re: Re: Latest "iPhone 5" Rumor: Apple to reveal release date on Aug 7
Post by: sky121 on July 18, 2012, 08:59:14 PM

Senseless Apple hate may be blinding your vision. Go back to Ebay and check again.

Hey buddy, I see you are really passionate about your phones. I happen to not own a Samsung or an Apple I phone and I happen to think they are both great phone. I'm just telling you what I saw.
Title: Re: Re: Latest "iPhone 5" Rumor: Apple to reveal release date on Aug 7
Post by: zale on July 18, 2012, 09:12:28 PM
Hey buddy, I see you are really passionate about your phones. I happen to not own a Samsung or an Apple I phone and I happen to think they are both great phone. I'm just telling you what I saw.

I see.

And you are surprised that The S2 is selling for $95?

I am not that passionate about phones (i'm more passionate about miles), but I've had just about enough of people trying to promote Android and put down Apple.

I own an Evo 3D, and I've tried other Androids, and they don't hold a candle to the Iphone. My wife owns an Iphone, and it simply kicks butt. I am a techy guy, and know all the hacks, and I still find the iphone to be lightyears ahead of Android (not in "Gigahertz" and "screen size", but in pure, practical user experience).

There isn't much vocal defense for Apple around the internet, because actual Apple users have a life, love their phone, and don't care about whining Android fans.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Latest "iPhone 5" Rumor: Apple to reveal release date on Aug 7
Post by: sky121 on July 18, 2012, 09:20:15 PM
I see.

And you are surprised that The S2 is selling for $95?

I am not that passionate about phones (i'm more passionate about miles), but I've had just about enough of people trying to promote Android and put down Apple.

I own an Evo 3D, and I've tried other Androids, and they don't hold a candle to the Iphone. My wife owns an Iphone, and it simply kicks butt. I am a techy guy, and know all the hacks, and I still find the iphone to be lightyears ahead of Android (not in "Gigahertz" and "screen size", but in pure, practical user experience).

There isn't much vocal defense for Apple around the internet, because actual Apple users have a life, love their phone, and don't care about whining Android fans.


That wasn't the price I saw but I believe you. Apple users have a life? You're judging a whole people by their phone? Anyways there's plenty of Android users who knock Apple users and plenty of Apple users who knock Android users. Then there are just regular folk who have their negative and positives to both and pick one based on preference. Meanwhile I don't think you should get so worked up about a week piece of technology.
Title: Re: Latest "iPhone 5" Rumor: Apple to reveal release date on Aug 7
Post by: Mikeoracle on July 18, 2012, 09:20:52 PM
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericsavitz/2012/07/17/apple-report-65-of-phone-owners-plan-to-buy-iphone-next/

You can continue to laugh your FAO until you sully yourself.

Oh, and read this one as well: http://www.businessinsider.com/munster-apple-is-guaranteed-to-sell-80-million-iphone-5s-2012-7

Change your shorts once you finish reading this.
Ho Hum. You shouldve copied and pasted this article 5 times and quoted each one of them to make it seem more impressive...

Nothing personal, I just had a very good laugh. You dont really think these (practically identical) articles would actually convince me, did you?
Start by finding articles proving Ashero's chart is a typo.
 Maybe the future will prove you to be correct but the past tells a pretty strong tale. Makes no difference to me either way, I love my S3 and just dont get the (extreme)  Iphone hype. I will be the first to admit though- their marketing is second to none.
Title: Re: Latest "iPhone 5" Rumor: Apple to reveal release date on Aug 7
Post by: zale on July 18, 2012, 09:42:17 PM
Quote
1. Apple controls the retail pricing on their devices much stronger than Android.
2. Android has lots of manufacturers, and new phones (and major OS updates) being launched all the time. Contrast that with:
3. Apple launches a new iPhone approximately once a year,a dn due to the high-price of the devices (and debatably the small incremental changes) people are willing to buy older devices for a small discount.


Quote
Come again?:
(http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/4fcce416ecad040618000004/comscore-monthly-mobile-market-share.png)

lol... How many of those android phones are cheap $99 phones that ignorant people get sold at the Verizon store? How many of them are running Android 2.3?

Get this straight: low-end Androids are the new dumbphones. Dumbphones are not really being manufactured anymore, and low-end Androids are taking their place. This chart says nothing about the "real" smartphone market.

Quote
The mere fact that the fanbois fall for the non-incremental iPhone models (WTF is 4s?) is good marketing, but it's subtle proof that apple knows they're not offering anything revolutionary with the updated device. I mean, WTF, Siri (which is software) requires a newer iPhone??

If I had a dime for every time I heard that argument...

I have used the 4 and the 4s, and there is simply no comparison. Releasing Siri early was a mistake, which they are now going to fix big time. And oh are they going to make up for it.

Quote
Within Android, people are typically loyal to their preferred flavor (HTC Evo, Moto Droid, Samsung Galaxy etc.).

Did you just make that up?

Quote
In any case, Apple is definitely threatened by Android, look at all their recent IP-battle with the Android clan, it's sickening how low they'd stoop to block out the legit competition.

Steve Jobs admitted that Android is a threat. But it's a thread in the same way that Microsoft was a threat. Apple aims for top-notch engineering, and Google aims to get as many devices into people's hands. At the end of the day, this is the consumer's choice, and Apple has no control over that.

As far as "legit competition", are you willing to tell me with a straight face that Samsung did not copy Apple?
Title: Re: Latest "iPhone 5" Rumor: Apple to reveal release date on Aug 7
Post by: sky121 on July 18, 2012, 10:40:24 PM
I hope the iphone 5 Sprint is Cdma/gsm like the 4s. It would be a shame if it wasn't.
Title: Re: Latest "iPhone 5" Rumor: Apple to reveal release date on Aug 7
Post by: elikay on July 24, 2012, 10:02:41 PM
Apple being easier to use does not make it better.
Title: Re: Latest "iPhone 5" Rumor: Apple to reveal release date on Aug 7
Post by: AJK on July 24, 2012, 10:22:42 PM
Not in and of itself, but all things being equal it'd be hard to argue that being easier to use makes it worse...
Title: Re: Latest "iPhone 5" Rumor: Apple to reveal release date on Aug 7
Post by: springles on July 24, 2012, 10:56:55 PM
  • ...And that can only fly if people actually buy at that "controlled" price. And people are buying alright. People find it valuable regardless of Apple controlling the retail pricing.
  • That's irrelevant. If they were THAT good, they would retain their value. Does the value of a Toyota go down because of Honda? Honda and Toyota are both good, so they both retain their value.
  • What does this have to do with the price of tea in China? This is true for Android phones as well.

lol... How many of those android phones are cheap $99 phones that ignorant people get sold at the Verizon store? How many of them are running Android 2.3?

Get this straight: low-end Androids are the new dumbphones. Dumbphones are not really being manufactured anymore, and low-end Androids are taking their place. This chart says nothing about the "real" smartphone market.

If I had a dime for every time I heard that argument...

I have used the 4 and the 4s, and there is simply no comparison. Releasing Siri early was a mistake, which they are now going to fix big time. And oh are they going to make up for it.

Did you just make that up?

Steve Jobs admitted that Android is a threat. But it's a thread in the same way that Microsoft was a threat. Apple aims for top-notch engineering, and Google aims to get as many devices into people's hands. At the end of the day, this is the consumer's choice, and Apple has no control over that.

As far as "legit competition", are you willing to tell me with a straight face that Samsung did not copy Apple?
As an innocent bystander (a BB user to the end) you are not really making sense.  First you are saying that iphone has been grabbing market share while android hasnt been but the evidence points to the opposite, android is growing in market share much  faster than iOS.  Then you respond with a survey that shows that iphone will build market share in the next 3 years based on 400 consumers (really small sample size when predicting numbers in the millions) that are inherently not representative of the population (article points out that over 50% of sample owns iphones when under 25% of population does).  Lastly you say that apple does see android as a threat because google aims to get as many devices into people's hands and apple aims for top engineering, which sounds like you are saying that android does have larger market share but you dont agree with the general consumer who is "buying the wrong device." 

Mix in arguments about low end androids being dumbphones (not any more than a 3 year old iphone is) and how different the 4s is from the iphone 4 (it objectively isn't) and you have me thoroughly confused.
Title: Re: Latest "iPhone 5" Rumor: Apple to reveal release date on Aug 7
Post by: AJK on July 29, 2012, 08:53:41 PM
http://www.bgr.com/2012/07/29/iphone-5-photos-parts-release-fall/

<Totally underwhelmed by the design. My goodness that freakin thing needs a facelift.>
Title: Re: Latest "iPhone 5" Rumor: Apple to reveal release date on Aug 7
Post by: AsherO on July 29, 2012, 09:53:08 PM
http://www.bgr.com/2012/07/29/iphone-5-photos-parts-release-fall/

"Totally underwhelmed by the design. My goodness that freakin thing needs a facelift."

:o, but it's "the last design from Steve Jobs' legacy" :P

(In case it wasn't obvious. That's me poking fun at the Apple fanbois)
Title: Re: Latest "iPhone 5" Rumor: Apple to reveal release date on Aug 7
Post by: AJK on July 29, 2012, 10:12:18 PM
If that's it, he went out with a whimper, I'm sorry to say.
Title: Re: Latest "iPhone 5" Rumor: Apple to reveal release date on Aug 7
Post by: AsherO on July 30, 2012, 04:55:01 AM
If that's it, he went out with a whimper, I'm sorry to say.

No, no. You have it all wrong: He died with "Yes! Yes! Yes!" on his lips. :P
Title: Re: Latest "iPhone 5" Rumor: Apple to reveal release date on Aug 7
Post by: This is who I am on July 30, 2012, 09:22:23 AM
The iPhone 5, iPad mini & Next-Gen iPod nano Will Be Unveiled On September 12, 2012
Read more at http://www.cultofmac.com/181773/the-iphone-5-ipad-mini-next-gen-ipod-nano-will-be-unveiled-on-september-12-2012-rumor/#FdZTEZdQoLV80guy.99
Title: Re: Latest "iPhone 5" Rumor: Apple to reveal release date on Aug 7
Post by: 123ablack on July 31, 2012, 01:34:09 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/07/30/iphone-5-announcement-release-date-photos_n_1718974.html

Title: Re: Latest "iPhone 5" Rumor: Apple to reveal release date on Aug 7
Post by: AJK on August 15, 2012, 02:20:15 PM
As further evidence the iPhone 5 is imminent: http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/15/3243779/sprint-iphone-4s-100-gift-card
Title: Re: Latest "iPhone 5" Rumor: Apple to reveal release date on Aug 7
Post by: sky121 on August 15, 2012, 08:48:48 PM
Guess as to how much the iphone 5 will be going for on Ebay arrival week?
Title: Re: Latest "iPhone 5" Rumor: Apple to reveal release date on Aug 7
Post by: sml67 on August 16, 2012, 02:48:51 PM
Guess as to how much the iphone 5 will be going for on Ebay arrival week?

Would not be surprised to see people paying $850+ for an unlocked 16GB, considering they're currently dishing out $650+ for the 4S on ebay. And, if you're going to shell out $850, you're going to shell out $1K...
Title: Re: Latest "iPhone 5" Rumor: Apple to reveal release date on Aug 7
Post by: sky121 on August 16, 2012, 02:50:45 PM
Would not be surprised to see people paying $850+ for an unlocked 16GB, considering they're currently dishing out $650+ for the 4S on ebay. And, if you're going to shell out $850, you're going to shell out $1K...

Do we know if the Sprint Versions will have GSM again as well?

I am looking to buy a few on contract and sell em but I am trying to think if I will make more money off buying the 4s now at it's discounted rate or waiting for the 5?