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Title: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on July 22, 2012, 03:48:51 PM
I didn't see another thread devoted to this, but if it exists, feel free to merge this one.

I thought it would be helpful to have a thread that contrasts some of the best/worst values btw different airlines, alliances, and regions.

For example, I'm in Israel. When searching to the Maldives here are some results.
US Airway - 50/75/100
AA- 45/60/90
UA - 40/70/90

Feel free to post in the same format.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on July 22, 2012, 03:52:47 PM
Here's another.

TLV - Thailand

AA - 45/60/90
UA - 75/100/160
US Airway - 50/75/100

As you can see, large differences exist, even within the same alliance.
Feel free to add in additional airlines, particularly the smaller ones. I focused on these b/c I had miles readily available, but I also checked Korean, Air Canada, and Delta. I just don't have their results handy.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on July 23, 2012, 01:48:08 PM
The Travel Review Blog just did s/t similar. He looked at the cost of the major US carriers from flights originating in the US to different places.

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to link, so I'm not. If I can, please let me know.

Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: gdam on July 23, 2012, 02:03:14 PM
For example, I'm in Israel. When searching to the Maldives here are some results.

AA- 45/60/90


It is even better.
Maldives is in Indian Subcontinent/Middle East according to AA chart:

AA- 35/50/70

although  the best route is RJ to Colombo which is Asia 1 ( 45/60/90)
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on July 23, 2012, 02:12:18 PM
It is even better.
Maldives is in Indian Subcontinent/Middle East according to AA chart:

AA- 35/50/70

although  the best route is RJ to Colombo which is Asia 1 ( 45/60/90)
My bad. That's what I had initially seen, and actually had s/t on hold to the Maldives.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: andrew on July 23, 2012, 05:57:02 PM
whats the routing with the 35k?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: gdam on July 25, 2012, 03:41:17 AM
TLV-AMM-AUH-MLE
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on September 06, 2012, 02:02:49 AM
TLV-AMM-AUH-MLE
They don't allow that, b/c it won't price. I tried many times.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on September 06, 2012, 02:03:59 AM
They don't allow that, b/c it won't price. I tried many times.
Here's another one.
TLV to SEZ (Seychelles)
UA - 70k
US - 70k
Avianca - 45k !!
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: moish on September 06, 2012, 04:37:51 AM
They don't allow that, b/c it won't price. I tried many times.
but amm-auh-mle should
then book a ba tlv-amm
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on September 06, 2012, 06:19:17 AM
but amm-auh-mle should
then book a ba tlv-amm
Tried that. I had problems finding award availability for TLV to AMM on economy for the dates I checked. But if you're flexible, then it should work out.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: moish on September 06, 2012, 06:27:16 AM
Tried that. I had problems finding award availability for TLV to AMM on economy for the dates I checked. But if you're flexible, then it should work out.
i wasnt referring to your specific situation. i was referring to the idea of tlv-amm-auh-mle, which obviously would necessitate award availability on all segments
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on September 06, 2012, 06:55:10 AM
i wasnt referring to your specific situation. i was referring to the idea of tlv-amm-auh-mle, which obviously would necessitate award availability on all segments
Although when you add in the 35k + the 9k BA, than it's already more costly than UA. With an additional stopover.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Afight4ever on September 06, 2012, 05:33:41 PM
From Australia to TLV
AA is 30k-45k
UA is 45k 60k if am not mistaken
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on September 06, 2012, 06:00:13 PM
From Australia to TLV
AA is 30k-45k
UA is 45k 60k if am not mistaken
Round trip??
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Afight4ever on September 06, 2012, 11:07:55 PM
Round trip??
one way
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on September 20, 2012, 07:34:35 AM
Maybe this one was obvious, but I was surprised.
I searched MIA to TLV on BA, and found availability on Air Berlin for 35k ow + $22.

I thought it was a good deal, particularly with the MR transfer bonus and the typical high fees BA charges.
Title: Re: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Ergel on September 20, 2012, 08:57:23 AM
Maybe this one was obvious, but I was surprised.
I searched MIA to TLV on BA, and found availability on Air Berlin for 35k ow + $22.

I thought it was a good deal, particularly with the MR transfer bonus and the typical high fees BA charges.
What are taxes on the return?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: gdam on September 20, 2012, 10:33:50 AM
What are taxes on the return?

It seems that TLV-MIA can not be searched or booked online.
Title: Re: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Galitzyaner on September 20, 2012, 10:56:33 AM
Maybe this one was obvious, but I was surprised.
I searched MIA to TLV on BA, and found availability on Air Berlin for 35k ow + $22.

I thought it was a good deal, particularly with the MR transfer bonus and the typical high fees BA charges.
It worked when I checked.
Great find, thank you Reuben!

And I thought Aer Lingus was the only viable transatlantic option with BA...
Let's hope this one is also here to stay.

Find it working from any other cities besides MIA?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on September 20, 2012, 12:36:49 PM
It worked when I checked.
Great find, thank you Reuben!

And I thought Aer Lingus was the only viable transatlantic option with BA...
Let's hope this one is also here to stay.

Find it working from any other cities besides MIA?
I can start a blog based on this chiddush...
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Moishebatchy on September 20, 2012, 03:26:47 PM
I can start a blog based on this chiddush...
Really?

ETA: Looks like Dan already did (http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/24308). ;)
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on September 20, 2012, 04:55:47 PM
Really?

ETA: Looks like Dan already did (http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/24308). ;)

I demand 10% of his profit from the post
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Moishebatchy on September 20, 2012, 08:04:27 PM
I demand 10% of his profit from the post
Heh heh...
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: joey89 on September 20, 2012, 08:51:16 PM
I demand 10% of his profit from the post
now if mickeyg made that statement i might understand ;)
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Galitzyaner on September 21, 2012, 01:24:16 AM
Maybe this one was obvious, but I was surprised.
I searched MIA to TLV on BA, and found availability on Air Berlin for 35k ow + $22.

I thought it was a good deal, particularly with the MR transfer bonus and the typical high fees BA charges.
From your little post came the whole airline/travel blogosphere announcing this as the latest breakthrough  :D
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on September 21, 2012, 04:32:52 AM
From your little post came the whole airline/travel blogosphere announcing this as the latest breakthrough  :D

And 10% of their profits as well.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on October 11, 2012, 06:14:27 AM
TLV - South Pacific

AA - 60/90
UA - 80/120

Once again, since Israel is considered part of the Indian sub-continent, it has great values to the Far East.

Anything else down there to see besides Bora Bora?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: aussiebochur on October 11, 2012, 06:32:01 AM
TLV - South Pacific

AA - 60/90
UA - 80/120

Once again, since Israel is considered part of the Indian sub-continent, it has great values to the Far East.

Anything else down there to see besides Bora Bora?
Lol, love the geography ;)
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on October 11, 2012, 07:47:17 AM
Lol, love the geography ;)
And Air France considers us part of Europe.

And US considers us part of Australia.
:)
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Moishebatchy on October 11, 2012, 07:49:02 AM
And US considers us part of Australia.
:)

For real?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on October 11, 2012, 09:25:23 AM
For real?
No

But they consider us part of a region called the "middle east"
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Moishebatchy on October 11, 2012, 08:44:04 PM
But they consider us part of a region called the "middle east"

Wow, shocking. :o
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Centurion on October 12, 2012, 12:10:29 AM
so whats the best deal to fly with which airline / to tlv to be the "least" mileage? (if israel is  in europe..)
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Dan on October 12, 2012, 12:12:33 AM
so whats the best deal to fly with which airline / to tlv to be the "least" mileage? (if israel is  in europe..)
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/23168
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Centurion on October 12, 2012, 12:14:30 AM
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/23168
thanx im familiar with that link.. i was thinking of flying midway and "stay in the same continent"
thanks dan!
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Side incomer on October 12, 2012, 12:28:51 AM
TLV - South Pacific

AA - 60/90
UA - 80/120

Once again, since Israel is considered part of the Indian sub-continent, it has great values to the Far East.

Anything else down there to see besides Bora Bora?

You mean US 80/120
UA is 90/135

Check it out
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on October 16, 2012, 04:35:31 PM
Unsure if this is a chidush or not, but when checking TLV - NYC on Flying Blue for biz class, some of the routings didn't charge me fuel surcharges.

For example, this.
tlv - fco - nyc on 11/9, and nyc - ams - tlv on 12/4.
100k + $173

I was surprised to find this b/c from e/t I had read, they charge award fees on e/t besides DL metal.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Dan on October 16, 2012, 05:17:36 PM
DL and AZ flights should have little/no YQ.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on October 16, 2012, 05:21:22 PM
DL and AZ flights should have little/no YQ.
Good to know about Alitalia, but what about the AMS routing. They didn't charge on that either.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Dan on October 16, 2012, 05:26:05 PM
Good to know about Alitalia, but what about the AMS routing. They didn't charge on that either.
Didn't see it, but I'm assuming that the TATL was on DL?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Side incomer on October 16, 2012, 07:57:15 PM
Good to know about Alitalia, but what about the AMS routing. They didn't charge on that either.
If the long flight is a Delta, for exaple AF TLV-CDG, DL CDG-JFK, the surcharge would be almost nothing.

Another airline which has very little surcharges is SU
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on October 17, 2012, 04:46:22 PM
I see DL to CDG and then AF to TLV, total fees are only $63. They bump up the fees when you fly AF over the Atlantic

If the long flight is a Delta, for exaple AF TLV-CDG, DL CDG-JFK, the surcharge would be almost nothing.

Another airline which has very little surcharges is SU
i'm seeing surcharges of 199 on SU from NYC to TLV
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Dan on October 17, 2012, 05:50:53 PM
I see DL to CDG and then AF to TLV, total fees are only $63. They bump up the fees when you fly AF over the Atlantic
Correct, I don't think you pay YQ for AF/KL EU flights and TLV is EU for FB.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 17, 2012, 05:59:25 PM
Correct, I don't think you pay YQ for AF/KL EU flights and TLV is EU for FB.
You're right.

TLV-CDG is $19.40 now.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on October 18, 2012, 04:54:51 AM
You're right.

TLV-CDG is $19.40 now.
When I just chk TLV - CDG and back, it gives me fees of around $25 to CDG, and $66 to go back to TLV. Problem is, it's hard to find the route using only 15k miles each way for direct. The 15k options are for  stopovers.
For example, first to Bucharest and then to TLV. The good thing is that this route only has $25 and $43 or surcharges.
So, 30k + $68. Not the best value to go to Paris, but an option, particularly when there is a transfer bonus from MR.
I'm seeing around
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Moishebatchy on October 18, 2012, 04:56:24 AM
Not the best value to go to Paris, but an option, particularly when there is a transfer bonus from MR.
I'm seeing around

What happened? Pen ran outta ink?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on October 18, 2012, 06:19:09 AM
What happened? Pen ran outta ink?
DDF now charges for post in excess of 400 characters.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Moishebatchy on October 18, 2012, 06:25:10 AM
DDF now charges for post in excess of 400 characters.

Yeah, but not for DDF elites. HUCA until someone waives the restriction for you.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on October 18, 2012, 03:13:03 PM
Yeah, but not for DDF elites. HUCA until someone waives the restriction for you.
Are we both lacking all elements of a social life?
:)
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Moishebatchy on October 18, 2012, 07:04:46 PM
Are we both lacking all elements of a social life?
:)

Yes.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on October 18, 2012, 07:21:07 PM
Seeing lots of phantom availability on the AF website.
Are you guys shutting it down with your searches?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 21, 2012, 02:11:08 AM
When I just chk TLV - CDG and back, it gives me fees of around $25 to CDG, and $66 to go back to TLV. Problem is, it's hard to find the route using only 15k miles each way for direct. The 15k options are for  stopovers.
For example, first to Bucharest and then to TLV. The good thing is that this route only has $25 and $43 or surcharges.
So, 30k + $68. Not the best value to go to Paris, but an option, particularly when there is a transfer bonus from MR.
I'm seeing around
It never pays to go to Paris. Much better to go to Dubai. VD"L.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on October 21, 2012, 04:18:23 AM
It never pays to go to Paris. Much better to go to Dubai. VD"L.
Not finding 'affordable' availability. It's all around 70k total w/ YQ
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on November 04, 2012, 04:14:31 PM
Here's another, similar to the BKK deal.
TLV - MAN (Manila) (get ready for lots of flying)

UA - 75/100/too lazy to chk
US - 50/75/100
AA - 45/60/90
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Dan on November 04, 2012, 05:23:58 PM
Here's another, similar to the BKK deal.
TLV - MAN (Manila) (get ready for lots of flying)

UA - 75/100/too lazy to chk
US - 50/75/100
AA - 45/60/90
MAN=Manilla, really now?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on November 04, 2012, 05:31:51 PM
That was my being lazy :)
What is it?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Moishebatchy on November 04, 2012, 05:41:09 PM
That was my being lazy :)
What is it?

http://bit.ly/YrtwOe
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on November 04, 2012, 06:04:17 PM
http://bit.ly/YrtwOe
I repeat my comment, I was too lazy to search.

The problem is I just booked tix to VIE, and my computer was reeeaaalll slow, so I couldn't do any extra searches.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: KidOOO on November 20, 2012, 04:03:31 PM
Maybe this one was obvious, but I was surprised.
I searched MIA to TLV on BA, and found availability on Air Berlin for 35k ow + $22.

I thought it was a good deal, particularly with the MR transfer bonus and the typical high fees BA charges.

how do i get air berlin to show up on BA.COM?

i am trying from NYC-TLV
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on November 20, 2012, 05:26:12 PM
how do i get air berlin to show up on BA.COM?

i am trying from NYC-TLV
You need to find a day that BA has no availability, and then they'll show partner availability.
Or chk on AA.com, and they'll show it there. I would imagine you could then call up BA to book.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: KidOOO on November 21, 2012, 10:41:23 AM
You need to find a day that BA has no availability, and then they'll show partner availability.
Or chk on AA.com, and they'll show it there. I would imagine you could then call up BA to book.

so to search for a date like that i can do in the regular search, not only award, correct?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on November 21, 2012, 11:40:39 AM
so to search for a date like that i can do in the regular search, not only award, correct?
No, b/c that won't show you award availability.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: KidOOO on November 21, 2012, 11:32:36 PM
No, b/c that won't show you award availability.

OK, so i tried on award search, when it said no BA availability, i did search on partners, but still couldn't find anything, it's all with stopovers in london and huge fuel surcharges
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on November 22, 2012, 02:27:00 AM
OK, so i tried on award search, when it said no BA availability, i did search on partners, but still couldn't find anything, it's all with stopovers in london and huge fuel surcharges
Search on the qantas website. They display Air Berlin availability.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Dan on November 22, 2012, 10:20:23 AM
Search on the qantas website. They display Air Berlin availability.
Why would you search Qantas instead of using AA.com for nonstop flights between JFK-TXL/DUS/MUC and TXL/DUS/MUC-TLV?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on November 22, 2012, 02:20:06 PM
Why would you search Qantas instead of using AA.com for nonstop flights between JFK-TXL/DUS/MUC and TXL/DUS/MUC-TLV?
Great point Dan
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on November 26, 2012, 07:21:33 AM
Great value from Israel to the Far East and South Pacific using AA miles.
And even better to India, Nepal, and others in the same region.
Just gotta hope to find some LY availability to save on stopovers and enjoy the food.

TLV - India 
AA - 35/50/70
UA - 40/70/100
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on December 11, 2012, 03:07:30 PM
Just a reminder, since Air Berlin doesn't charge YQ when you use BA miles, you can get some good values when touring Europe.

For example, TLV - TXL is 20k + $80 in coach. From there, you can access multiple cities throughout Europe for 9k + regular fees and taxes, but no YQs.

Or do an open jaw, and use a different One World carrier to return to TLV, although some YQs may be needed.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: yare on December 11, 2012, 05:03:53 PM
Just a reminder, since Air Berlin doesn't charge YQ when you use BA miles, you can get some good values when touring Europe.

For example, TLV - TXL is 20k + $80 in coach. From there, you can access multiple cities throughout Europe for 9k + regular fees and taxes, but no YQs.

Or do an open jaw, and use a different One World carrier to return to TLV, although some YQs may be needed.
tlv-lhr is also basically tax free... it's the return that's expensive.  so going in to lhr and returning from txl/dus might be a good plan
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on December 11, 2012, 05:09:33 PM
tlv-lhr is also basically tax free... it's the return that's expensive.  so going in to lhr and returning from txl/dus might be a good plan
And take a low cost carrier btw the two?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: AsherO on December 11, 2012, 05:25:52 PM
Just a reminder, since Air Berlin doesn't charge YQ when you use BA miles, you can get some good values when touring Europe.

For example, TLV - TXL is 20k + $80 in coach. From there, you can access multiple cities throughout Europe for 9k + regular fees and taxes, but no YQs.

Or do an open jaw, and use a different One World carrier to return to TLV, although some YQs may be needed.

Does BA check bags through when you have separate PNRs for various legs, e.g. JFK-FRA-JFK + FRA-TLV-FRA for effective JFK-FRA-TLV(destination)-FRA-JFK?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Dan on December 11, 2012, 05:27:04 PM
All major airlines do, DL/HA/US are the new exceptions to the rule.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: AJK on December 11, 2012, 10:02:42 PM
...I believe AS is to be added to that list IIRC
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on December 12, 2012, 08:20:59 AM
tlv-lhr is also basically tax free... it's the return that's expensive.  so going in to lhr and returning from txl/dus might be a good plan

TLV to LON for OW is 12.5k + $56.
Not a bad deal.

And TLV to MAD OW is 12.5k + $26 on BA's site. The return has $126 or so of YQ, so you gotta go to Germany, and fly back from there.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on December 13, 2012, 05:43:01 AM
Also, the OW alliance had IB, AB, and Niki all flying to the Canary Islands.
AB and Niki have no fuel surcharges, so they cost 25k rt + around $50 - $60.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: U-no-me! on December 18, 2012, 05:45:44 PM
Wiki anyone? or at least edit?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: U-no-me! on December 18, 2012, 05:49:27 PM
TlV - Europe
UA 17.5/25k
AA 20k
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: U-no-me! on December 22, 2012, 05:00:31 PM
What would be the best from TLV to kiev?
I have
MR
UR
UA
AA
BA
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on December 22, 2012, 05:10:26 PM
What would be the best from TLV to kiev?
I have
MR
UR
UA
AA
BA
I assume with a stop? Biz or econ?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: U-no-me! on December 22, 2012, 05:11:59 PM
I assume with a stop? Biz or econ?

Econ.
Without a stop preferable, but okay with.
Toda
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on December 22, 2012, 05:25:38 PM
Econ.
Without a stop preferable, but okay with.
Toda
I'm having website issues, but chk with BA through AMM.
AA would cost 40k
UA would cost 35k
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: U-no-me! on December 22, 2012, 05:29:14 PM
I'm having website issues, but chk with BA through AMM.
AA would cost 40k
UA would cost 35k

Gracias.

I'd prefer to stay out of AMN, last time I went to Jordan I wasn't sure i'd make it outta there.

Is there nothing good with all the choices from MR

Also, there isn't any decent business class being that it's usually the airbus a320, right?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on December 22, 2012, 05:32:57 PM
Gracias.

I'd prefer to stay out of AMN, last time I went to Jordan I wasn't sure i'd make it outta there.

Is there nothing good with all the choices from MR

Also, there isn't any decent business class being that it's usually the airbus a320, right?
I don't know planes.

I was in AMM for 12 hrs a few months back, and it was fine for me.
W/ *A, the shortest flights appear to be through VIE, MUN, and IST.

Maybe the ANA distance based would work out for you, but I can't price the YQ since I don't have enough miles.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: chff on December 22, 2012, 07:33:01 PM
SQ one way *A award (no discount) to Europe 80k
TLV 75k
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on December 23, 2012, 03:33:19 AM
SQ one way *A award (no discount) to Europe 80k
TLV 75k
From the US?
Title: Re: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: chff on December 23, 2012, 04:18:19 AM
From the US?

Yes
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: U-no-me! on December 23, 2012, 01:17:59 PM

Maybe the ANA distance based would work out for you, but I can't price the YQ since I don't have enough miles.

Is there anyone who can price or who knows ANA from TLV to Kiev.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: U-no-me! on December 23, 2012, 01:22:19 PM
I'm having website issues, but chk with BA through AMM.
AA would cost 40k
UA would cost 35k

I remember reading somwhere on this board (can't find it), that depending on yor profile address if your located for example in Israel it would be less points to certain locations than if you are address is the USA.
Anyone know anything about this?
Title: Re: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: chff on December 23, 2012, 02:34:06 PM
I remember reading somwhere on this board (can't find it), that depending on yor profile address if your located for example in Israel it would be less points to certain locations than if you are address is the USA.
Anyone know anything about this?

On MM, of you live in Israel, trip starts in Israel, then Israel is in the European Category
Title: Re: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: U-no-me! on December 23, 2012, 02:37:28 PM
On MM, of you live in Israel, trip starts in Israel, then Israel is in the European Category

Thanks  :)

Amex MR wouldn't help me there, correct?
Title: Re: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 23, 2012, 05:53:28 PM
Thanks  :)

Amex MR wouldn't help me there, correct?

Nope.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: miles on December 24, 2012, 11:36:33 AM
Quote
how much MILES should price OW in BIZ

FRA-RZE less then 24Hr
RZE-WAW-ORD-LGA

for me its price as 70k
update
after being on the phone for 45 minutes i got it for 50k
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Bp on December 24, 2012, 12:00:00 PM
update
after being on the phone for 45 minutes i got it for 50k

Going for Kuf alef ader?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: miles on December 24, 2012, 12:03:55 PM
Going for Kuf alef ader?
hope so
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 24, 2012, 01:10:38 PM
Going for Kuf alef ader?

Mah zeh?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: miles on December 24, 2012, 01:20:55 PM
Mah zeh?
Kuf alef ader (http://www.lizensk.com/)
wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elimelech_of_Lizhensk)
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 24, 2012, 01:30:50 PM
Kuf alef ader (http://www.lizensk.com/)
wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elimelech_of_Lizhensk)

Oh!

Of course I knew about that, I just didn't know the Hebrew date.  :-[
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: U-no-me! on December 25, 2012, 05:53:55 PM
Is there anyone who can price or who knows ANA from TLV to Kiev.
Thanks.

ANA priced it for me through IST for just 22K round trip. The jicker here though, is they told me there is about $250 in taxes!!! but it could change by the day. was the rep clueless, or does that amount in taxes make sense?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on December 26, 2012, 01:04:08 AM
ANA priced it for me through IST for just 22K round trip. The jicker here though, is they told me there is about $250 in taxes!!! but it could change by the day. was the rep clueless, or does that amount in taxes make sense?
Check the ITA breakdown of YQ for your route and see if it matches.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: yo on December 26, 2012, 11:25:27 PM
BWI-ORD 4500k on BA
EWR-ORD 7500k on BA
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: AJK on December 27, 2012, 10:17:24 AM
BWI-ORD 4500k on BA
EWR-ORD 7500k on BA

 ???

Three hour drive between them plus the cost of gas.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on December 27, 2012, 03:54:00 PM
Here's a nice one for us Israeli's.

TLV - Middle East (such as Dubai)
UA - 30/45/60
LifeMiles - 30/55/75
US - 30/35/45

I'm not including AA since you'd have to use an Explorer award, since a regular award wouldn't be a valid routing to most Arab countries due to a lack of a published routing.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 27, 2012, 03:56:07 PM
Here's a nice one for us Israeli's.

TLV - Middle East (such as Dubai)
UA - 30/45/60
LifeMiles - 30/55/75
US - 30/35/45

I'm not including AA since you'd have to use an Explorer award, since a regular award wouldn't be a valid routing to most Arab countries due to a lack of a published routing.
Who said theres no published routing?

EK sells LY tix
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on December 27, 2012, 04:41:48 PM
Who said theres no published routing?

EK sells LY tix
In that case, 35/50/70 and the shortest routing time if you route through AMM.
But US is still the cheapest.
Title: Re: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: chff on December 27, 2012, 09:41:35 PM
Who said theres no published routing?

EK sells LY tix

Where does EK sell LY tickets?
Title: Re: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 28, 2012, 12:28:10 AM
Where does EK sell LY tickets?
Ticketing offices, and perhaps also by phone.

Only flights with EK numbers can be bought on EK.com
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on December 28, 2012, 02:46:38 AM
Ticketing offices, and perhaps also by phone.

Only flights with EK numbers can be bought on EK.com
And AA will know that and allow the ticket to be processed?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 28, 2012, 02:54:02 AM
And AA will know that and allow the ticket to be processed?
No, I was only saying it to prove there is such a thing as Middle East-Israel published fare.

It doesnt make a difference to AA unless RJ publishes a fare, and I assume they do.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on January 02, 2013, 08:42:08 AM
Here's another one.
TLV to SEZ (Seychelles)
UA - 70k
US - 70k
Avianca - 45k !!
Let me add in another airline.
Kris Flyer - 50/70/105 + YQ (around $280 on most direct routing)
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on January 03, 2013, 04:32:06 AM
Here's a nice one for us Israeli's.

TLV - Middle East (such as Dubai)
UA - 30/45/60
LifeMiles - 30/55/75
US - 30/35/45

I'm not including AA since you'd have to use an Explorer award, since a regular award wouldn't be a valid routing to most Arab countries due to a lack of a published routing.
Let me correct myself. You could probably do an Explorer award. If you route TLV - AMM - DXB then it would be 1.3k miles each way, for a total of 2.6. That would cost 35/70 using Explorer pricing.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Dan on January 03, 2013, 10:28:46 AM
Let me correct myself. You could probably do an Explorer award. If you route TLV - AMM - DXB then it would be 1.3k miles each way, for a total of 2.6. That would cost 35/70 using Explorer pricing.
Huh? Which 2 OW carriers fly TLV-AMM-DXB?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on January 03, 2013, 04:29:40 PM
Huh? Which 2 OW carriers fly TLV-AMM-DXB?
Good point.
RJ and Etihad wouldn't work?

Explorer Award

Explorer Awards allow you to travel to multiple regions or multiple cities within a region on a single award. These awards are valid on all of the airlines in the oneworld Alliance - airberlin, American Airlines, British Airways, Cathay Pacific, Finnair, Iberia, Japan Airlines, LAN, Qantas, Royal Jordanian and S7, as well as more than 20 of their affiliate airlines. The mileage required to claim these awards is based on the total mileage of the trip. All flights, including connections, are included in the mileage calculation.

Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Dan on January 03, 2013, 04:38:16 PM
Etihad is not OW.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: AJK on January 03, 2013, 04:38:46 PM
Etihad is not in OW.

ETA: Grrr...
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Bp on January 03, 2013, 04:39:27 PM
Etihad is not OW.
Works anyway YMMV.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Dan on January 03, 2013, 04:43:24 PM
Works anyway YMMV.
-0.99999
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Side incomer on January 03, 2013, 04:46:07 PM
Works anyway YMMV.
+1

have one today, will report back if ticketed...
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on January 03, 2013, 04:46:40 PM
+1

have one today, will report back if ticketed...
What are you trying to ticket?

Etihad is not OW.
It doesn't work with their affiliate airlines according to the quote?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Dan on January 03, 2013, 05:02:02 PM
+1

have one today, will report back if ticketed...
Even if it slips by the review desk (and every OW ticket is manually reviewed) and is ticketed I highly suggest not making any changes or even calling up about it.
If any agent notices the Etihad flight they will send it to the OW desk to be voided.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on January 03, 2013, 05:05:03 PM
Even if it slips by the review desk (and every OW ticket is manually reviewed) and is ticketed I highly suggest not making any changes or even calling up about it.
If any agent notices the Etihad flight they will send it to the OW desk to be voided.
Excuse my ignorance, but why does Etihad invalidate it?
And are we all talking about this chart, or the other Explorer award.
http://www.aa.com/i18n/disclaimers/oneworld_awards.jsp
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Dan on January 03, 2013, 05:10:45 PM
Excuse my ignorance, but why does Etihad invalidate it?
And are we all talking about this chart, or the other Explorer award.
http://www.aa.com/i18n/disclaimers/oneworld_awards.jsp
That is the only OW explorer chart and it's for OW airlines only.
Affiliates are airlines like American Eagle.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on January 03, 2013, 05:14:50 PM
That is the only OW explorer chart and it's for OW airlines only.
Affiliates are airlines like American Eagle.
So when it says
"as well as more than 20 of their affiliate airlines"
that's what it is?

Jeez, who would of thought they have >20 airlines like that. They should be clearer on their site.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: AJK on January 03, 2013, 05:47:46 PM
What is clear is that Eithad is a PARTNER.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on January 03, 2013, 11:46:41 PM
What is clear is that Eithad is a PARTNER.
Well, diggity dang for me for not differentiating btw affiliates and partners.
I guess it's clear for all us lawyers in here. :)
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on January 05, 2013, 05:02:49 PM
That is the only OW explorer chart and it's for OW airlines only.
Affiliates are airlines like American Eagle.
I read that Air Berlin has a codeshare w/ Etihad. Would that help?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Dan on January 05, 2013, 07:54:22 PM
I read that Air Berlin has a codeshare w/ Etihad. Would that help?
Not officially, but YMMV.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: sruly101 on January 08, 2013, 05:39:10 PM
Im trying to find from MEL-TLV on AA.com for 60K AA miles, but it dosent go i get this message all the time:

There are currently no awards available on AA.com for your requested Origin and Destination. Please modify your request or contact AAdvantage Reservations for award opportunities on all AAdvantage participating airlines.

Am i missing something??

AA.com.....AAdvantage Award....... AA, American Eagle and AmericanConnection®.......

Whats missing
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Moishebatchy on January 08, 2013, 05:41:32 PM
Im trying to find from MEL-TLV on AA.com for 60K AA miles, but it dosent go i get this message all the time:

There are currently no awards available on AA.com for your requested Origin and Destination. Please modify your request or contact AAdvantage Reservations for award opportunities on all AAdvantage participating airlines.

Am i missing something??

AA.com.....AAdvantage Award....... AA, American Eagle and AmericanConnection®.......

Whats missing

PUTPAC.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: sruly101 on January 08, 2013, 05:43:11 PM
PUTPAC.
Only by phone?????? :o
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Moishebatchy on January 08, 2013, 06:30:07 PM
Only by phone?????? :o

Yup.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Side incomer on January 08, 2013, 07:18:37 PM
Good luck with the LY seats. Please report back if you got them done.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: AJK on January 08, 2013, 07:19:09 PM
Good luck with the LY seats. Please report back if you got them done.

Still no traction I take it?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Side incomer on January 08, 2013, 07:20:08 PM
Still no traction I take it?
Nothing as of last night 2:00 AM. made at least 30 attempts in those 36 hours .
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: MEIR613 on January 08, 2013, 07:21:03 PM
Nothing as of last night 2:00 AM. made at least 30 attempts in those 36 hours .
Go for 36. The last ones the kicker. :D
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Side incomer on January 08, 2013, 07:24:42 PM
Go for 36. The last ones the kicker. :D
Made way more attempts in the last 2 weeks. prob. 180. is that good enough ?

Only 4 were successful...
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: MEIR613 on January 08, 2013, 07:26:31 PM
Made way more attempts in the last 2 weeks. prob. 180. is that good enough ?

Only 4 were successful...
Depends how you define good enough ;)
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: AJK on January 08, 2013, 07:26:50 PM
Nothing as of last night 2:00 AM. made at least 30 attempts in those 36 hours .

And no word from FT rep? Tweet? CS?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Side incomer on January 08, 2013, 07:28:44 PM
And no word from FT rep? Tweet? CS?
Nope. Nope. Nope.
Other DDF's also helped tweeting, but no word from them as well.

I was hoping to hear back from other DDF's that tried, but sounds like not a lot are booking LY with AA, which surprises me quite a bit. DDF should be the sole cliental for those bookings.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Moishebatchy on January 08, 2013, 07:29:33 PM
Nope. Nope. Nope.
Other DDF's also helped tweeting, but no word from them as well.

Am I missing something here? ???
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Side incomer on January 08, 2013, 07:31:28 PM
Am I missing something here? ???

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=23859.0
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Moishebatchy on January 08, 2013, 07:35:19 PM
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=23859.0

Thanks. I've been a bit out of it recently.  :-\
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on January 09, 2013, 01:16:24 AM
Nope. Nope. Nope.
Other DDF's also helped tweeting, but no word from them as well.

I was hoping to hear back from other DDF's that tried, but sounds like not a lot are booking LY with AA, which surprises me quite a bit. DDF should be the sole cliental for those bookings.
Hopefully it's n/t permanent.
I've got to make a booking, but since it's for almost a year out, I'm waiting for few weeks.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on January 10, 2013, 08:26:33 AM
Another small chiddush (I think).

BA miles
BOM - TLV (routing through AMM)
17k miles (OW)  + $30 

That's right. No YQ!!
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on January 10, 2013, 08:58:00 AM
Another nice one.

Phuket - BOM
US - 25/30/40
UA - 50/80/100
AA - 45/60/90
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on January 17, 2013, 09:12:14 AM
Alitalia restarted their program. I figured I'd highlight some of their redemption's, although don't forget that YQ apply. And I'm not even sure that any of these are new. Just some decent values to be had if you can get them to book it for you.

http://alitalia.com/US_EN/millemiglia/redeeming_miles/partner-airlines/europe3_near_east.aspx

TLV -
Western Russia - 30/45
Maldives - 50/80
North America - 50/80
Central America, Hawaii, Caribbean - 50/80
South America 1 - 60/100
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Chaikel on January 17, 2013, 10:22:59 AM
http://boardingarea.com/blogs/pointsmilesandmartinis/2013/01/test-your-knowledge-how-well-do-you-understand-award-chart-tricks/
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: AJK on January 17, 2013, 10:48:48 AM
http://boardingarea.com/blogs/pointsmilesandmartinis/2013/01/test-your-knowledge-how-well-do-you-understand-award-chart-tricks/

That was an easy one :P

...was hoping there'd be more.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: U-no-me! on January 17, 2013, 06:17:08 PM
That was an easy one :P

...was hoping there'd be more.

Would you be so kind as to explain it to me, I can't figure it out. Why was it only 20,000 points?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: AJK on January 17, 2013, 07:50:12 PM
Beginning a "trip to EU" on an off-peak date.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on January 17, 2013, 11:57:09 PM
Would you be so kind as to explain it to me, I can't figure it out. Why was it only 20,000 points?
Google MileValue's detailed write up of this for more details.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on January 28, 2013, 07:48:02 AM
Another small chiddush (I think).

BA miles
BOM - TLV (routing through AMM)
17k miles (OW)  + $30 

That's right. No YQ!!
I checked, and this doesn't work for some other routes into AMM, so I'm not sure why this one works.

Also, as I posted elsewhere, US has great value for traveling around South and Central Asia. This includes BKK, MLE, DPS, BOM, and many others.

South & Central Asia includes Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Brunei, Cambodia, Chagos, India, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, Maldives, Myanmar, Nepal, Pakistan, Philippines, Singapore, Sri Lanka, Thailand, and Vietnam


Comparison:
US - 25/30/40
AA - 45/60/90
UA - 50/80/100
DL - 50/70 
AC - 50/85/120
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on January 29, 2013, 03:41:27 PM
A blog has had some good examples about how to use a stopover on Avios in order to save on miles instead of booking direct.
For example, LAX - HNL - SYD is 37.5k OW, but 50k if it's direct.

Similar w/ LAX - TYO - BKK is 37.5k OW vs 42.5k for LAX - HKG - BKK.

There are a bunch of examples when flying to South America as well.

Anyone have any similar examples?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: AJK on January 29, 2013, 04:16:14 PM
A blog has had some good examples about how to use a stopover on Avios in order to save on miles instead of booking direct.
For example, LAX - HNL - SYD is 37.5k OW, but 50k if it's direct.

Similar w/ LAX - TYO - BKK is 37.5k OW vs 42.5k for LAX - HKG - BKK.

There are a bunch of examples when flying to South America as well.

Anyone have any similar examples?

Not sure which blog you're referring to, but:

Correct, this is an added benefit of any distance based award chart.

ETA: An added benefit of any distance based award chart where there is not a uniform progression of miles needed <-- I think.


Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: AJK on January 29, 2013, 04:29:55 PM
But I think we should definitely start a thread with these, because I'm sure there are many.

ETA: http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=24863.new#new
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on February 03, 2013, 06:25:57 AM
W/ Malaysia now in the One World Alliance, and BA showing availability, some good values may open up.

One that looks decent to me is HKT - KUL for 4.5k + around $80 for o/w.
BKK - KUL is 7.5k each way.
KUL - MLE is 10k each way, but some hefty YQ are added on.

Anyone see anything else?

Here is their route map. (They tell you the distance, which is nice)
http://malaysiaairlines.innosked.com/(S(5zsbdhaouwnkfa55hvlme2nk))/default.aspx
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on February 07, 2013, 03:43:52 AM
Wow!
TLV - MAD
BA - 25k + $60  (no YQ!)
IB - 25k + $122

Although availability is a bit low...

They also aren't charging YQ for MAD - LPA or LPA - VIE.
Policy change or glitch?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: chff on February 10, 2013, 12:43:16 PM
No YW on BA TLV-LHR
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on February 10, 2013, 12:56:24 PM
No YW on BA TLV-LHR
Thanks!
I wonder if this is s/t new or not. Anyone have an idea?
(also, it's YQ, not YW)
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: MEIR613 on February 10, 2013, 01:00:12 PM
No YW on BA TLV-LHR
Nice find, its a shame they don't have F on that flight.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: andrew on February 10, 2013, 02:36:07 PM
No YQ tlv-vie or vie-tlv on niki direct with avios
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: chff on February 10, 2013, 03:14:32 PM
Thanks!
I wonder if this is s/t new or not. Anyone have an idea?
(also, it's YQ, not YW)

Correct, thats what happens when you type fast on a Touch Screen...
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on March 18, 2013, 05:05:39 PM
Another good post about getting to India and saving Avios.
http://travelisfree.com/2013/03/18/using-stopovers-to-save-avios-to-india/
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on March 28, 2013, 08:05:02 AM
Looks like a great way to fly Bangkok using JAL miles.
Thoughts?
http://boardingarea.com/blogs/viewfromthewing/2013/03/26/deep-discount-award-tickets-for-flying-around-southeast-asia/
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: AJK on March 28, 2013, 08:06:17 AM
Looks like a great way to fly Bangkok using JAL miles.
Thoughts?
http://boardingarea.com/blogs/viewfromthewing/2013/03/26/deep-discount-award-tickets-for-flying-around-southeast-asia/

Posted about that here: http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=20823.msg448893#msg448893

Seems like a great redemption, especially b/c intra-thailand flights can add up real quick.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on March 28, 2013, 08:33:35 AM
Posted about that here: http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=20823.msg448893#msg448893

Seems like a great redemption, especially b/c intra-thailand flights can add up real quick.
Sorry bout that. I didn't see a new thread, and didn't do a word search.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: smart brit on March 28, 2013, 12:50:14 PM
Nice find, its a shame they don't have F on that flight.
It's still probably the most comfortable (together with Swiss) out of tlv to Europe
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: smart brit on March 28, 2013, 12:53:51 PM
From nyc to Europe with ba 20/40/60 +yq
Ib 20/40/60 no/low yq
Ab20/40 no yq
UA 30/50
Ana one way nyc lon 22k +yq unless booked on ua
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on April 09, 2013, 03:09:15 AM
just saw that Virgin Atlantic is partners w/ Cyprus Air, and TLV to Cyprus is 5k VA miles (I assume this is OW)
Would be interested in knowing the YQ on this, if any, but it could be a great value for a nearby vacation.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: smart brit on April 09, 2013, 10:52:45 AM
just saw that Virgin Atlantic is partners w/ Cyprus Air, and TLV to Cyprus is 5k VA miles (I assume this is OW)
Would be interested in knowing the YQ on this, if any, but it could be a great value for a nearby vacation.
great find there (depending on yq)
Btw vs is starting to offer flights in the UK rt for 7500 +30£ that is better than ba 9k avios
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: chff on April 09, 2013, 02:26:27 PM
Air France YQ discrepancies

Code: [Select]
Provide this information to a travel agent to help them match the fares found.
Make sure to provide the exact booking and fare codes shown.
Fare 1: Carrier AF VKXP69US NYC to BUD (rules)
Passenger type ADT, round trip fare, booking code V, L
Covers JFK-CDG (Economy), CDG-BUD (Economy)
$107.00
Fare 2: Carrier AF WKX3SFUS BUD to NYC (rules)
Passenger type ADT, round trip fare, booking code W
Covers BUD-CDG (Economy), CDG-JFK (Premium economy)
$1,216.00
French Aviation Civile Tax (FR) $15.50
French International Passenger Service Charge (QX) $27.90
French Airport Tax (FR) $21.00
US International Departure Tax (US) $17.20
(YR) $516.00
US September 11th Security Fee (AY) $2.50
US Passenger Facility Charge (XF) $4.50
US International Arrival Tax (US) $17.20
USDA APHIS Fee (XA) $5.00
US Immigration Fee (XY) $7.00
US Customs Fee (YC) $5.50
Hungarian Airport Tax (HU) $28.90
Hungarian Security Charge (FE) $3.90
 
Subtotal per passenger $1,995.10
Number of passengers x1
 
TOTAL AIRFARE & TAXES $1,995.10

For an award

Code: [Select]
Carrier imposed surcharge 856.00
Airport departure tax 28.87
Passenger service charge international 27.96
Airport fee 20.94
US international transportation tax at the arrival 17.20
US international transportation tax at the departure 17.20
French airport tax 15.50
US INS user fee 7.00
US customs user fee 5.50
US APHIS fee 5.00
Security charge 3.85
USA passenger civil aviation security service fee 2.50
Total per passenger 1,007.52
Number of passengers 1
Total including taxes and surcharges : USD1,007.52
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on April 10, 2013, 01:13:41 AM
Yuneeq, can you update the Wiki in this thread?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: MEIR613 on April 10, 2013, 01:17:00 AM
Yuneeq, can you update the Wiki in this thread?
Did he become the official "wiki updater"
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on April 10, 2013, 01:21:10 AM
Did he become the official "wiki updater"
seems that way
quite the honored position
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: meshugener on April 18, 2013, 01:39:54 PM
Noticed that SQ redemption on partners has North America to Europe for 80K on F, but North America to Mideast 75K on F.  ::)
Seems like SQ to Europe is a bad idea even on UA/US.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: MEIR613 on April 18, 2013, 01:45:42 PM
Noticed that SQ redemption on partners has North America to Europe for 80K on F, but North America to Mideast 75K on F.  ::)
Seems like SQ to Europe is a bad idea even on UA/US.
Yea, especially since you can NA-Europe on AC for 135k in F IIRC
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: chff on April 18, 2013, 02:16:59 PM
Noticed that SQ redemption on partners has North America to Europe for 80K on F, but North America to Mideast 75K on F.  ::)
Seems like SQ to Europe is a bad idea even on UA/US.

That's what i have posted...

SQ one way *A award (no discount) to Europe 80k
TLV 75k

Just book SQ the way there in one shot, 75k for Suites to FRA and Business to TLV
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: meshugener on April 18, 2013, 02:25:43 PM
That's what i have posted...
So basically you're the 'advanced meshugener'  :P
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: chff on April 18, 2013, 06:57:31 PM
So basically you're the 'advanced meshugener'  :P

Lol
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: chff on April 28, 2013, 12:19:10 PM
Booked on Friday TLV-FRA-JFK in LH/SQ I class (overnight in FRA) for 57.5k SQ, and $420 SGD = $346 in taxes
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on April 28, 2013, 01:35:02 PM
Booked on Friday TLV-FRA-JFK in LH/SQ I class (overnight in FRA) for 57.5k SQ, and $420 SGD = $346 in taxes
Is that any special value, or is it just the SQ aspect which makes it cool?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: meshugener on April 28, 2013, 03:05:29 PM
I'd  rather take UA F FRA-NYC and save $300.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: MEIR613 on April 28, 2013, 03:09:46 PM
I'd  rather take UA F FRA-NYC and save $300.
Did you try SQ J?

Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: chff on April 28, 2013, 03:15:58 PM
I'd  rather take UA F FRA-NYC and save $300.

No UA F FRA-EWR
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: meshugener on April 28, 2013, 03:24:15 PM
I thought since they service EWR-FRA in F, it should be the other way around as well.

Never been in SQ J, but $300 is $300....
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: chff on April 28, 2013, 03:26:17 PM
I thought since they service EWR-FRA in F, it should be the other way around as well.

They dont have F EWR-FRA as well, its a sCO acft, not a sUA.

Do you mean IAD-FRA on UA? That has F

 
Never been in SQ J, but $300 is $300....


Plus a night in Hotel as its a overnight stop... (but UA as well as they are early flights)



Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: yuneeq on April 28, 2013, 03:28:14 PM
Yuneeq, can you update the Wiki in this thread?

Lol :)
Teach me everything about flying and I'll put up the best wiki you've ever seen :P
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: chff on April 28, 2013, 03:30:23 PM
Lol :)
Teach me everything about flying and I'll put up the best wiki you've ever seen :P

Flying consits of 4 forces, Lift/Gravity/Drag/Thrust
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: chff on April 28, 2013, 03:34:11 PM
just saw that Virgin Atlantic is partners w/ Cyprus Air, and TLV to Cyprus is 5k VA miles (I assume this is OW)
Would be interested in knowing the YQ on this, if any, but it could be a great value for a nearby vacation.

Tried to do a booking ZRH-LCA-TLV, 1st rep you cant do a booking with CY, only earn.... Next rep said has to be requested 2 weeks in advance (as well for all partners)
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: meshugener on April 28, 2013, 03:34:31 PM
@cheff, right, my bad.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: chff on April 28, 2013, 03:35:56 PM
@cheff, right, my bad.

Its chff, without the E
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: MEIR613 on April 28, 2013, 03:40:01 PM
Never been in SQ J, but $300 is $300....
So maybe next time you should fly Y.

Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: yuneeq on April 28, 2013, 03:48:49 PM
Its chff, without the E

He turned an FF from CH into a lowly chef! :P
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on April 28, 2013, 04:21:10 PM
Tried to do a booking ZRH-LCA-TLV, 1st rep you cant do a booking with CY, only earn.... Next rep said has to be requested 2 weeks in advance (as well for all partners)
did the second rep say what the mileage and yq would be?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: chff on April 28, 2013, 04:24:16 PM
did the second rep say what the mileage and yq would be?

Didnt ask, the mileage can be found on VS website, YQ ill say its like a paid ticket
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Side incomer on April 28, 2013, 05:53:40 PM
did the second rep say what the mileage and yq would be?
Booking partners on Vs is a real PITA
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on April 29, 2013, 12:48:40 AM
Didnt ask, the mileage can be found on VS website, YQ ill say its like a paid ticket
Here's the ITA breakdown

Cyprus Passenger Service Charge (JX)   $1.10
Israeli Departure Tax (IL)                    $24.07
(YQ)                                                           $68.00
Cyprus Airport Service Charge (CY)           $27.90
Cyprus Passenger Service Charge (JX)   $1.10
Cyprus International Passenger Terminal Facilities Charge (JW)   $2.60
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: chff on April 30, 2013, 02:02:01 AM
Booked on Friday TLV-FRA-JFK in LH/SQ I class (overnight in FRA) for 57.5k SQ, and $420 SGD = $346 in taxes

Had to cancel the flight -24, (2 tickets out of 2 separates accts). Called SQ (twice, as its 2 accts) to cancel, was told miles will be redeposited and taxes less 30USD will be refunded. As of today 9pm, none where back yet. (canceled motzai shabbos).

Today at 10:30pm I get a call from SQ, that do that he flight was canceled -24, there are charging me +$75 cancelation fee. Due to the fact that I had 2% battery in my phone, I let it thru.

Is there a way to fight it out now (actually tomorrow morning)? Phone/eMail/Twitter? What should I write?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on May 01, 2013, 06:46:53 AM
Anyone want to analyze using LAN vs. BA from TLV?
Looks like LAN will often be a better deal for the Europe flights, but I haven't done an analysis yet.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Moishebatchy on May 01, 2013, 06:48:51 AM
Anyone want to analyze using LAN vs. BA from TLV?
Looks like LAN will often be a better deal for the Europe flights, but I haven't done an analysis yet.

Consider yourself nominated. :D
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on May 01, 2013, 06:55:47 AM
Consider yourself nominated. :D
I don't want all the glory and fame. I'm extremely modest about my multitude of awesome accomplishments in my lifetime.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Dan on May 02, 2013, 01:43:06 PM
Anyone want to analyze using LAN vs. BA from TLV?
Looks like LAN will often be a better deal for the Europe flights, but I haven't done an analysis yet.
Shouldn't be too hard with this:
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/17453
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on May 03, 2013, 11:01:39 AM
Shouldn't be too hard with this:
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/17453

That was my inspiration for the request.

Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on May 03, 2013, 11:02:00 AM
How to fly around the world in econ for 120k Avios.

http://travelisfree.com/2013/05/03/using-stopovers-to-save-avios-conclusions-tools-and-crazy-plans/
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Dan on May 03, 2013, 11:05:33 AM
fly around the world in econ
Just shoot me first.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on May 03, 2013, 11:10:30 AM
Just shoot me first.
but for those w/o a wealth of miles, this is a great way, and probably the cheapest to do it.
Can anyone think of s/t cheaper, besides for a dumb US rep? :)
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Dan on May 03, 2013, 11:18:49 AM
but for those w/o a wealth of miles, this is a great way, and probably the cheapest to do it.
Can anyone think of s/t cheaper, besides for a dumb US rep? :)
Sure a zone 7 AAOW award is also 120K and no YQ if you avoid BA.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on May 03, 2013, 11:22:24 AM
Sure a zone 7 AAOW award is also 120K and no YQ if you avoid BA.
But AA miles are worth around 30-40% more than BA.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Dan on May 03, 2013, 11:25:59 AM
Well, you go figure out the BA YQ and get back to me :P
Either way neither option is all that exciting.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on May 03, 2013, 11:28:47 AM
Well, you go figure out the BA YQ and get back to me :P
Either way neither option is all that exciting.
I thought he built it on all the non-YQ BA partners, except for maybe 1 or 2 legs.
But I agree, it wouldn't be a luxurious trip.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: rots5 on May 04, 2013, 04:41:51 PM
I thought he built it on all the non-YQ BA partners, except for maybe 1 or 2 legs.
But I agree, it wouldn't be a luxurious trip.
its all about getting from point A to point B
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Moishebatchy on May 04, 2013, 05:14:30 PM
its all about getting from point A to point B

-1
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: rots5 on May 04, 2013, 05:38:06 PM
-1
coming from a guy who drives a tus tus :D
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on May 05, 2013, 02:08:37 AM
its all about getting from point A to point B
you know that on DDF, that's as close to kefira as you can find...
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: rots5 on May 05, 2013, 02:10:33 AM
you know that on DDF, that's as close to kefira as you can find...
i do. :) but im not loaded with miles. I gotta work with what i have
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Moishebatchy on May 05, 2013, 02:47:34 PM
coming from a guy who drives a tus tus :D

There's a reason I wouldn't drive a 50cc to Tel Aviv, which kinda applies here too: it's just not comfortable or practical.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: meshugener on May 05, 2013, 03:03:18 PM
i do. :) but im not loaded with miles. I gotta work with what i have
And that's an unforgivable DDF sin.
Shame on you! shame on you!
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on May 09, 2013, 04:57:05 AM
Anyone want to analyze using LAN vs. BA from TLV?
Looks like LAN will often be a better deal for the Europe flights, but I haven't done an analysis yet.

Here we go: (I'm estimating the LAN taxes based on ITA)

TLV - VIE
BA: 20k + $67
LAN: 54k + $67

TLV - MAD
BA: 25k + $132
LAN: 54k + $60

TLV - TXL
BA: 20k + $80
LAN: 54k + $80

TLV - LHR
BA: 25k + $247 ($46 is for outbound, $201 for return)
LAN: 54k + $190 or so

As you can see, LAN isn't valuable for these routes since they're all falling into the 2k km to 5k km range which is a jump up in cost. Plus, you need to do a RT with them.
TBC...
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: A European on May 28, 2013, 12:32:00 AM
Here we go:
TLV - VIE
BA: 20k + $67

Amazing!
Never known I could fly direct to vie with NIKI + avios!!
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on May 28, 2013, 02:01:39 AM
Amazing!
Never known I could fly direct to vie with NIKI + avios!!
you mean from Israel, or from anywhere?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: rots5 on May 28, 2013, 02:03:34 AM
A friend of mine just booked one way to Budapest and Prague to IL/from IL for 250 el al and 60$.

I will get his exact itin later today.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: A European on May 28, 2013, 02:04:50 AM
from Israel
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Dan on May 28, 2013, 01:18:14 PM
Park Hyatt Vienna will open in early 2014.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on May 28, 2013, 02:18:52 PM
Park Hyatt Vienna will open in early 2014.
post in the vienna thread

I walked past it when i was there in December.
it's in a great location
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on May 29, 2013, 02:32:56 PM
Here is a helpful reminder post about how to use a combo of AA and BA miles to get from the US to TLV. (especially helpful in off-peak season)

Don't forget that you can have a 'free one-way' using AA miles in each direction!

http://milevalue.com/anatomy-of-an-award-saving-60k-miles-by-combining-avios-and-american-airlines-miles/
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Dan on May 29, 2013, 05:20:13 PM
Here is a helpful reminder post about how to use a combo of AA and BA miles to get from the US to TLV. (especially helpful in off-peak season)

Don't forget that you can have a 'free one-way' using AA miles in each direction!

http://milevalue.com/anatomy-of-an-award-saving-60k-miles-by-combining-avios-and-american-airlines-miles/
Meh.
Was there supposed to be something novel here?  I'd hope by now that everyone knows that AB is the way to go to Israel with Avios whenever possible (TATL or short-haul).  After all there's no YQ and the miles are low.

And the savings there he keeps mentioning is exaggerated.  Flying AA to Israel via Europe off-peak is 80K, not 90K, thus the savings is 20K not 30K.  The 10K premium is what you pay for a nonstop.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on May 29, 2013, 11:01:33 PM
Meh.
Was there supposed to be something novel here?  I'd hope by now that everyone knows that AB is the way to go to Israel with Avios whenever possible (TATL or short-haul).  After all there's no YQ and the miles are low.

And the savings there he keeps mentioning is exaggerated.  Flying AA to Israel via Europe off-peak is 80K, not 90K, thus the savings is 20K not 30K.  The 10K premium is what you pay for a nonstop.
No chiddush, but it's a good reminder of a few things.
1) Utilizing off peak discounts for Israel
2) Use BA and save on AA, which are much more valuable.
3) Get a 2 free one ways (which isn't possible on UA)
4) Stopover in Europe (not as valuable, but still s/t)
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on June 05, 2013, 04:34:03 PM
Another helpful post explaining how to maximize the AA routing rules.
http://themilesprofessor.com/2013/05/29/american-airlines-addvantage-off-peak-south-americ/
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: rots5 on June 05, 2013, 04:36:02 PM
Meh.
Was there supposed to be something novel here?  I'd hope by now that everyone knows that AB is the way to go to Israel with Avios whenever possible (TATL or short-haul).  After all there's no YQ and the miles are low.

And the savings there he keeps mentioning is exaggerated.  Flying AA to Israel via Europe off-peak is 80K, not 90K, thus the savings is 20K not 30K.  The 10K premium is what you pay for a nonstop.
theres no YQ if u fly BA?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: MEIR613 on June 05, 2013, 04:47:16 PM
theres no YQ if u fly BA?
Meh.
Was there supposed to be something novel here?  I'd hope by now that everyone knows that ABis the way to go to Israel with Avios whenever possible (TATL or short-haul).  After all there's no YQ and the miles are low.

And the savings there he keeps mentioning is exaggerated.  Flying AA to Israel via Europe off-peak is 80K, not 90K, thus the savings is 20K not 30K.  The 10K premium is what you pay for a nonstop.
Got to get your letters straight.

JK
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on June 05, 2013, 04:55:01 PM
theres no YQ if u fly BA?
There are large YQ with BA.
But not with AB (Air Berlin)
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on June 08, 2013, 03:51:26 PM
This is a repost, but it belongs here as well.
13k + $98 from NYC to London on Virgin Atlantic.

http://boardingarea.com/blogs/justanotherpointstraveler/2013/06/07/summer-travel-from-new-york-to-london-13k-miles-and-98/
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on June 10, 2013, 10:48:12 AM
Great post about how the UA website uses zone strengths to determine award pricing.
http://travelisfree.com/2013/06/10/secrets-of-award-pricing-engines/#
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Redbull3 on June 10, 2013, 11:17:11 AM
This is a repost, but it belongs here as well.
13k + $98 from NYC to London on Virgin Atlantic.

http://boardingarea.com/blogs/justanotherpointstraveler/2013/06/07/summer-travel-from-new-york-to-london-13k-miles-and-98/

That is sick. I just booked business to italy on AB with avios (47,500) and AA miles (50K) because i wanted one way to be biz and the other to be coach (so now I will book home coach prob with United). Had I known about this, I would've done coach VA to LHR and then BA to Italy, and flown home in biz. Wasted a ton of points. Oh well... I'm a total noob at redemptions so this is a learning experience.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Dan on June 10, 2013, 11:21:14 AM
So cancel the BA booking.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Redbull3 on June 10, 2013, 11:22:26 AM
So cancel the BA booking.

Can BA be cancelled and totally refunded? What about AA? I did 1 ticket with BA and 1 with AA. It's an AB flight that stops over in DUS. TIA!
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Ergel on June 10, 2013, 11:25:11 AM
Can BA be cancelled and totally refunded? What about AA? I did 1 ticket with BA and 1 with AA. It's an AB flight that stops over in DUS. TIA!
Within 24 hours both can be canceled for free. After, ba will be $40 or taxes, whichever is less. AA will be $75, CMIIW
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Dan on June 10, 2013, 11:55:55 AM
Within 24 hours both can be canceled for free. After, ba will be $40 or taxes, whichever is less. AA will be $75, CMIIW
AA is $150 IIRC.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Dan on June 10, 2013, 12:20:05 PM
Great post about how the UA website uses zone strengths to determine award pricing.
http://travelisfree.com/2013/06/10/secrets-of-award-pricing-engines/#
Bunch of Hooey.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on June 10, 2013, 12:58:35 PM
Bunch of Hooey.
Why did you capitalize hooey?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Dan on June 10, 2013, 01:41:35 PM
Why did you capitalize hooey?
Ask my phone.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: flyingace on June 10, 2013, 01:43:56 PM
That is sick. I just booked business to italy on AB with avios (47,500) and AA miles (50K) because i wanted one way to be biz and the other to be coach (so now I will book home coach prob with United). Had I known about this, I would've done coach VA to LHR and then BA to Italy, and flown home in biz. Wasted a ton of points. Oh well... I'm a total noob at redemptions so this is a learning experience.
Or you could switch the BA route to coach. And use the Biz on the way home. BA to Italy via AB in coach was 24,500 avios. With the Amex transfer comes out to 16500 MR points and practically no taxes.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: KidOOO on June 28, 2013, 07:46:25 PM
Or you could switch the BA route to coach. And use the Biz on the way home. BA to Italy via AB in coach was 24,500 avios. With the Amex transfer comes out to 16500 MR points and practically no taxes.

Which airport in Italy?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on July 22, 2013, 02:12:54 PM
Interesting post about AB miles.
http://travelisfree.com/2013/07/22/consider-transferring-spg-points-to-air-berlin/

Gotta think about how it may be of a benefit (if any) ex-TLV.

FYI:
TLV - VIE RT has $141 of YQ
TLV - TXL RT has $141
TLV - DUS RT has $141
TLV - MUN ditto
TLV - CGN ditto

Interesting data point.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: flyingace on July 22, 2013, 03:06:23 PM
Which airport in Italy?
Sorry, just saw this. JFK-TXL-VCE.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on July 22, 2013, 03:55:20 PM
Did I read correctly? MUN/CGN - TLV (RT) has zero YQ??!
no, ditto means 'the same'
IE, $141 on every single route.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Galitzyaner on July 22, 2013, 04:12:38 PM
no, ditto means 'the same'
IE, $141 on every single route.
TY! :-[
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Dan on July 22, 2013, 04:44:49 PM
Interesting post about AB miles.
http://travelisfree.com/2013/07/22/consider-transferring-spg-points-to-air-berlin/

Gotta think about how it may be of a benefit (if any) ex-TLV.

FYI:
TLV - VIE RT has $141 of YQ
TLV - TXL RT has $141
TLV - DUS RT has $141
TLV - MUN ditto
TLV - CGN ditto

Interesting data point.
Was more interesting when this was alive:
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/17174
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: businessmachine on July 22, 2013, 04:47:47 PM
Was more interesting when this was alive:
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/17174

I would personally prefer to use 60k avios with minimal tax then 40k SPG anyday
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on July 22, 2013, 04:50:04 PM
I would personally prefer to use 60k avios with minimal tax then 40k SPG anyday
100%
If there was a better way to accumulate AB, this would be a better deal.
But from TLV-Europe for 25k AB, is only 20k SPG, and if somehow a few stops could be had, it could be s/t. Especially with the 50% companion reduction.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on August 07, 2013, 09:43:04 AM
I assume this is known, but BA doesn't charge YQ on S7.
I thought S7 had a direct flight to DME, but I'm not seeing it.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on August 08, 2013, 01:18:20 AM
Wow.
Just checked HKT - DPS using BA miles flying on Malaysian, and all the YQ were taken out!
Down from $122 to $22 (+ 14.5k OW)
Don't know if it's on all Malaysian or if it's s/t else.

(EDIT: YQ are still being applied from KUL-CDG, so unsure why not in this case.)
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on August 19, 2013, 04:24:59 AM
Another option to keep in mind are the AA Explorer awards.
Suffice to say, they're quite complicated (see FT for details here http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-aadvantage/1328727-new-oneworld-aa-explorer-awards-using-aa-miles-not-partner-awards.html), but they have sweet spots in them.

For example, flying economy for under 1.5k miles is 30k, but flying btw 1.5k-4k miles costs 35k! And if you're flying from TLV to Europe, biz class isn't anything special anyhow.

So for example, the following routing should only price out at 35k (and you're using 2+ OW carriers, HG, IB, and BA).
You can then fly back from LON on a discounted carrier, or take the train into CDG and return from there using miles.

Another sweet spot is to fly in biz class btw 4k - 9k for only 80k, while 1.5k-4k costs 70k miles.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on August 20, 2013, 07:25:53 AM
Discussion on FT about flying from Korea to TLV w/ routing through NYC.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/united-mileageplus-consolidated/1495353-can-you-via-usa-tlv-all-united-metal-ua-awards-tix.html

(Good to see that Dan is still active over there)

I've always wondered about routing from TLV to the US through Asia. I guess that it should be possible, but I never tried pricing it out.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: AJK on August 20, 2013, 11:21:13 AM
LAX-PPT on AF = 150,000 DL miles.

LAX-PPT on AF = 90,000 KE miles.

Savings of 40%!
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Dan on August 20, 2013, 12:02:01 PM
LAX-PPT on AF = 150,000 DL miles.

LAX-PPT on AF = 90,000 KE miles.

Savings of 40%!
Ever see anything in J on that route though?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: AJK on August 20, 2013, 12:07:38 PM
Ever see anything in J on that route though?

I've seen occasionally... booking is another story.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on October 14, 2013, 05:03:08 AM
Anyone ever book TLV-South Pacific on AA?
Only 30/45 miles (each way).
Any issues with the published routings restrictions for this? And how is Qantas availability to/from Asia? And will they let you route through Dubai (to fly on Qantas) or Qatar? I see good availability in all classes from DXB for next year.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: AJK on October 14, 2013, 11:02:29 AM
Shouldn't be a problem.

What problem would there be? You're not transiting a third region.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on October 14, 2013, 11:17:47 AM
Shouldn't be a problem.

What problem would there be? You're not transiting a third region.
I was referring to a published routing by the overseas carrier. Does that come into play here?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: AJK on October 14, 2013, 12:24:50 PM
Depending if the agent catches it, only QF has a published fare. EK does not.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on October 14, 2013, 02:47:36 PM
Depending if the agent catches it, only QF has a published fare. EK does not.
Thanks.
FYI, Qatar seems to have lots of published fares ex-TLV, so it would seem to open up lots of options.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: shimino1 on October 16, 2013, 08:45:22 AM
Im looking for Tlv to australia in dec for a wedding but all the AA award flights seem to go through dubai and have an overnight there.
Does anyone know if it is a problom for an american-israeli to enter dubai?
What do you do for an overnight in a place like dubai? (if u dont want to spend 1000$ for a hotel)
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: AJK on October 16, 2013, 08:46:50 AM
Not a problem. Use points. 
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: shimino1 on October 16, 2013, 08:52:52 AM
Not a problem. Use points.
Anything specific u know of?
also i assume u enter and leave on the american passport?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: AJK on October 16, 2013, 11:23:50 AM
Grand Hyatt Dubai

and

http://www.hilton.com/en/hi/promotions/hi_nlp_dubai/index.jhtml

and

http://cities.starwoodhotels.com/hotels/Dubai
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on October 16, 2013, 01:05:04 PM
Im looking for Tlv to australia in dec for a wedding but all the AA award flights seem to go through dubai and have an overnight there.
Does anyone know if it is a problom for an american-israeli to enter dubai?
What do you do for an overnight in a place like dubai? (if u dont want to spend 1000$ for a hotel)

You can go through HKG and BKK as well. Search for El Al availability to those cities (or RJ), and then connect on either Qantas or CX. It's an amazing deal!
And they have some first class seats ex-DXB on their A380, so that could be a very special experience as well.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: shimino1 on October 17, 2013, 05:24:46 AM
Thanks for the info guys.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: DrDanny on October 17, 2013, 06:29:53 AM
Anyone ever book TLV-South Pacific on AA?
Only 30/45 miles (each way).
Any issues with the published routings restrictions for this? And how is Qantas availability to/from Asia? And will they let you route through Dubai (to fly on Qantas) or Qatar? I see good availability in all classes from DXB for next year.
What country in particular did you see the AA availability for?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on October 19, 2013, 03:33:58 PM
What country in particular did you see the AA availability for?
I don't understand your question.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: IsraelGuy on October 20, 2013, 03:21:51 AM
Anyone ever book TLV-South Pacific on AA?
Only 30/45 miles (each way).
Any issues with the published routings restrictions for this? And how is Qantas availability to/from Asia? And will they let you route through Dubai (to fly on Qantas) or Qatar? I see good availability in all classes from DXB for next year.

for 30/45 are you referring to business/first?

I booked on El Al using AA miles a few weeks ago. 22.5k one way ea for economy (no business availability...yet - still hoping for two seats to open up). Mine was direct TLV-BKK, no issues for me, but I'm not sure about routing restrictions.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on October 20, 2013, 03:24:41 AM
for 30/45 are you referring to business/first?

I booked on El Al using AA miles a few weeks ago. 22.5k one way ea for economy (no business availability...yet - still hoping for two seats to open up). Mine was direct TLV-BKK, no issues for me, but I'm not sure about routing restrictions.
30/45/60
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: IsraelGuy on October 20, 2013, 09:34:49 AM
30/45/60


Totally misread your post and thought you asked about TLV- Southeast Asia. Even more impressive is that I included the information in a quote and still made the mistake.

Carry on.

 :-X
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on October 20, 2013, 09:38:37 AM
Totally misread your post and thought you asked about TLV- Southeast Asia. Even more impressive is that I included the information in a quote and still made the mistake.

Carry on.

 :-X
NP
TLV-Southeast Asia is a very good deal.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on October 23, 2013, 04:56:50 PM
Not the best thread for it, but it's a very good deal if you need it.
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=33301.msg609021#msg609021
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on November 25, 2013, 03:42:27 AM
FYI, when checking TLV-MAD using BA miles, they didn't charge any YQ.
Unsure if this is new or not.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Harris on November 25, 2013, 04:06:29 AM
FYI, when checking TLV-MAD using BA miles, they didn't charge any YQ.
Unsure if this is new or not.

Are you a blogger? If not, you should definitely consider becoming one. You seem to know a heck of a lot.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on November 25, 2013, 05:32:33 AM
Are you a blogger? If not, you should definitely consider becoming one. You seem to know a heck of a lot.
My blogs name is Ben-Dan.

I find myself searching different vacation spots which I find is cheaper than actually going on the vacations. (And according to a study I saw quoted, vacation planning is more enjoyable than the vacation itself.)
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on January 02, 2014, 03:54:49 AM
Attached is a summary of all the ex-TLV flights using the pre-deval UA chart and the post-deval UA chart.

Obviously, the UA metal column isn't relevant for many of the routes (TLV-BKK for example), but I included it anyhow.

Also note that these are one-way awards, and saver options only.

Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on January 06, 2014, 12:47:17 PM
Interesting post about AB miles.
http://travelisfree.com/2013/07/22/consider-transferring-spg-points-to-air-berlin/

Gotta think about how it may be of a benefit (if any) ex-TLV.

FYI:
TLV - VIE RT has $141 of YQ
TLV - TXL RT has $141
TLV - DUS RT has $141
TLV - MUN ditto
TLV - CGN ditto

Interesting data point.
TLV-LON YQ's are now under $70 RT.
To VIE, total fees are - $72
TXL - $87

Nice reductions.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: meshugener on January 06, 2014, 05:55:28 PM
Attached is a summary of all the ex-TLV flights using the pre-deval UA chart and the post-deval UA chart.

Obviously, the UA metal column isn't relevant for many of the routes (TLV-BKK for example), but I included it anyhow.

Also note that these are one-way awards, and saver options only.
Nice job Dragy!
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: harrym on January 13, 2014, 09:51:09 AM
might have been mentioned already, but just got off the phone with A3 and it seems they consider Israel part of Europe
one way NYC - TLV is pricing at 45k in J,  no YQ, beats ANA that you can book oneway, granted that you have the miles
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on January 23, 2014, 01:32:05 PM
just saw that Virgin Atlantic is partners w/ Cyprus Air, and TLV to Cyprus is 5k VA miles (I assume this is OW)
Would be interested in knowing the YQ on this, if any, but it could be a great value for a nearby vacation.
Wow. It appears that it's 5k RT, and the other fees came out to $50 or so.
Amazing value...
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: chucksterace on January 23, 2014, 01:35:11 PM
Wow. It appears that it's 5k RT, and the other fees came out to $50 or so.
Amazing value...

How can these be booked? I would start making day trips.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on January 23, 2014, 01:37:12 PM
How can these be booked? I would start making day trips.
You have to call Virgin.
It's a good visa run. (That's how I found out about it).
Get in 8am, return around 11pm.
Free 50lb suitcase.

Here's their chart. Great way to get to Greece as well.
http://www.virgin-atlantic.com/gb/en/flying-club/flying-club-partners/airlines/cyprus-airways.html
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Dr Moose on January 23, 2014, 01:37:24 PM
How can these be booked? I would start making day trips.
whats to do there?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Dan on January 23, 2014, 01:39:18 PM
Please post back if you actually book this.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: chucksterace on January 23, 2014, 01:40:00 PM
How can I check availability without actually calling?

ETA: Just decided to PUTPAC.. Will report soon.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: hakohen on January 23, 2014, 02:03:23 PM
Please post back if you actually book this.
I booked it. 5000 VS and $49.12 roundtrip.
(IL26.82 CY17.80 XT4.50 )
On the phone Virgin Atl told me that it'd be the same 5000 even if its a one way ticket. They also told me that even if cyprusair says there are seats avail for miles, they dont have access to the same numbers but if they're not showing avail. they can request it and may be approved. One csr said they only have 3 mileage seats on each flight (but she may have meant the flight i was inquiring about).
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: chucksterace on January 23, 2014, 02:03:50 PM
I have one on hold, 5,000 miles + $49.00. Should I book?


Anyone up for a LCA DO?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: AJK on January 23, 2014, 02:27:54 PM
Great find.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on January 23, 2014, 02:35:47 PM
Please post back if you actually book this.
It's a great deal, although LY often has $150 sales (albeit it w/ limited dates).

As HaKohen wrote, 2 tix were booked.
They didn't include YQ.

Can go to Athens for 15k RT from Israel, w/ SOs in LCA.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: gdam on January 23, 2014, 04:12:16 PM
How can I check availability without actually calling?

I would try kvs booking code V/ Z 
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on January 23, 2014, 04:13:18 PM
I would try kvs booking code V/ Z 
Can you check for me if you see random summer dates w/ 5+ seats?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: chucksterace on January 23, 2014, 04:14:03 PM

Can you check for me if you see random summer dates w/ 5+ seats?
Not home now. Ill check later. Fine?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on January 23, 2014, 11:19:22 PM
Not home now. Ill check later. Fine?
of course
It's nothing rush, just wondering if 3 is the max.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on January 25, 2014, 03:36:43 PM
Not home now. Ill check later. Fine?
Did you have a chance to check?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: chucksterace on January 25, 2014, 04:03:37 PM
Did you have a chance to check?

PM Sent.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: harrym on February 27, 2014, 03:31:58 PM
Called Virgin, availability is extremely tough on that route. 
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: chucksterace on February 27, 2014, 03:34:10 PM

Called Virgin, availability is extremely tough on that route.

Which route?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: harrym on February 27, 2014, 03:39:29 PM
Which route?
TLV - LCA
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: chucksterace on February 27, 2014, 04:10:59 PM

TLV - LCA

Best to check availability on expertflyer first and then call. When i looked a bit ago I found availability.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on April 07, 2014, 01:01:07 AM
FYI, it appears that BA stopped charging YQ on TLV-MAD.
The first screen shows a higher amount, likley including YQ, but when you click through to the booking screen, it disappears.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: chucksterace on April 29, 2014, 05:33:13 AM
Just saw that off peak ATH-PHL on US is 20k AA miles + 70$. A one way flight TLV-ATH can be around $130. So for 20k AA miles + $200 you have TLV-(USA). You save 22,500 miles for $200.

IMO, I would do it.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on April 29, 2014, 08:21:54 AM
Just saw that off peak ATH-PHL on US is 20k AA miles + 70$. A one way flight TLV-ATH can be around $130. So for 20k AA miles + $200 you have TLV-(USA). You save 22,500 miles for $200.

IMO, I would do it.
Where do you find $70 flight to ATH?

By the way, anyone here familiar with Turkish Airlines program? With the recent changes, it got more attractive, especially with now allowing one-way awards at half price.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: chucksterace on April 29, 2014, 08:25:52 AM
Where do you find $70 flight to ATH?

By the way, anyone here familiar with Turkish Airlines program? With the recent changes, it got more attractive, especially with now allowing one-way awards at half price.

You have that backwards.. TLV-ATH is $130. Its $70 in taxes for ATH-PHL on US Air.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on April 29, 2014, 09:38:41 AM
You have that backwards.. TLV-ATH is $130. Its $70 in taxes for ATH-PHL on US Air.
My bad, you're correct. (I've never know you to be incorrect).

Which airline do you find charges that one way?

FYI, this off-peak AA was even better when they had the free OW at the landing airport.
You could do Europe - NYC (or similar) - HNL or anything similar to that for 20k.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: smart brit on April 29, 2014, 09:42:24 AM
Bringing up the painful devaluation! :-[:-[:-[
Availability on ATH PHL is decent so it's a great idea. Thanks
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on May 19, 2014, 01:32:24 AM
Exciting news.
Meridiana is joining the Avios scheme, and they have flights from TLV-MXP.
The flights should be 20k RT + YQ. I haven't been able to check the YQ yet, but if it's reasonable, it'll be a good deals.

They also have seasonal flights to a few other cities in Italy.

Currently, it's only bookable over the phone.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: asks on May 19, 2014, 09:41:40 AM
Exciting news.
Meridiana is joining the Avios scheme, and they have flights from TLV-MXP.
The flights should be 20k RT + YQ. I haven't been able to check the YQ yet, but if it's reasonable, it'll be a good deals.

They also have seasonal flights to a few other cities in Italy.

Currently, it's only bookable over the phone.
whats current avios on RT from JFK to MXP?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: nate on June 19, 2014, 12:33:45 PM
TLV-HKG

30K +32$ each way using  AA miles.

You can fly business class direct on EL AL.

Must book over the phone.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: jaywhy on June 19, 2014, 12:36:50 PM
TLV-HKG

30K +32$ each way using  AA miles.

You can fly business class direct on EL AL.

Must book over the phone.
Nothing new.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: chucksterace on June 19, 2014, 01:05:01 PM
Nothing new.

+1.. Ive done it before.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: yare on June 19, 2014, 04:11:39 PM
By the way, anyone here familiar with Turkish Airlines program? With the recent changes, it got more attractive, especially with now allowing one-way awards at half price.
excellent program for award rates. problem is nothing transfers into it. you can only get points for bis miles.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on June 19, 2014, 04:34:48 PM
TLV-HKG

30K +32$ each way using  AA miles.

You can fly business class direct on EL AL.

Must book over the phone.
Sure, that's discussed here.
Even better, add on a flight to anywhere else in the region (DPS or Manila for example), and the price won't increase.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Myccrabbi on June 28, 2014, 07:04:25 PM
Any updated ones?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on June 29, 2014, 12:52:26 AM
Any updated ones?
updated what? Deals?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Myccrabbi on June 29, 2014, 02:51:34 AM
updated what? Deals?
yes, like getting the most for your buck/mile.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: jaywhy on June 29, 2014, 08:57:47 AM
yes, like getting the most for your buck/mile.
50k US for transcon F on AA and CX is a great deal although that's going away soon.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Hlnsa on June 29, 2014, 09:12:35 AM
Good Morning Jaywhy. What is cx? I have 50,000 U.s miles and want to go to Spain in July and isrEl in October. Any luck?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: jaywhy on June 29, 2014, 09:16:03 AM
Cathay Pacific.

Post here for help. http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=7986.0
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: chucksterace on June 29, 2014, 09:16:50 AM
Cathay Pacific.

Post here for help. http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=7986.0

Noooo.. Not that link.. I don't like it :(
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: jaywhy on June 29, 2014, 10:15:28 AM
Noooo.. Not that link.. I don't like it :(
Lol ;)
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: eli1571 on July 13, 2014, 09:39:00 AM
whats current avios on RT from JFK to MXP?
anyone know ?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on September 03, 2014, 02:42:58 PM
Thought I'd pass it on.
With DL miles, Asia to US is 130 in J RT, but to Hawaii is only 100k.
Similar difference in Economy rate.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: meshugener on September 03, 2014, 02:52:34 PM
Thought I'd pass it on.
With DL miles, Asia to US is 130 in J RT, but to Hawaii is only 100k.
Similar difference in Economy rate.
Drago, as always - thank you.
Your brilliance in today's stupid world is like finding a jellybean in a bowel of chulent.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: @Yehuda on September 03, 2014, 03:31:42 PM
Drago, as always - thank you.
Your brilliance in today's stupid world is like finding a jellybean in a bowel of chulent.
Was about to point out your type with "bowel of cholent" but then realized that does also exists - right after lunch every Shabbos.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on September 04, 2014, 08:36:08 AM
AKL - HNL on HA metal using Virgin America miles. 35k/80k RT or 20/45k each way.
RT fees are only $59.
Very good deal, and pretty good availability.

And an extra 3k miles each way to go to one of the other islands.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on September 04, 2014, 08:41:01 AM
Drago, as always - thank you.
Your brilliance in today's stupid world is like finding a jellybean in a bowel of chulent.
Thank you! Your compliment is unwarranted, but appreciated.
And it's those types of comments which make DDF such a wonderful place to be a part of.

Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Dan on September 04, 2014, 09:58:54 AM
AKL - HNL on HA metal using Virgin America miles. 35k/80k RT or 20/45k each way.
RT fees are only $59.
Very good deal, and pretty good availability.

And an extra 3k miles each way to go to one of the other islands.
And you're getting that level of VX miles from?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on September 04, 2014, 10:00:47 AM
And you're getting that level of VX miles from?
Gotta be creative.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on September 04, 2014, 10:37:21 AM
Also, lIfemiles are 25/40 from much off Asia to hnl each way
And if you choose a small island then it'll route you through the US. To bad they don't allow stopovers
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on September 21, 2014, 06:02:25 AM
I'm sure I must have posted this elsewhere, but the LifeMiles deval had a few bright spots.
One of them is the Middle East to S. Africa decreased by 5k each way in Y and J, and is now cheaper than remaining in the Middle East.  :)

So TLV-SEZ will be 35k/70k, and IMO, economy is the way to go for 2 shortish flights and a 100% mark-up.

http://loyaltylobby.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Avianca-LifeMiles-Comparison-Chart.pdf

Here are their regions.
http://onemileatatime.img.boardingarea.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Avianca-Lifemiles-Award-Chart-2.png
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Myccrabbi on September 21, 2014, 12:03:58 PM
50k US for transcon F on AA and CX is a great deal although that's going away soon.
Is this ex-us?
If yes what's the routing?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: jaywhy on September 21, 2014, 12:10:33 PM
Is this ex-us?
If yes what's the routing?
Transcontinental=domestic. It's dead anyways.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Myccrabbi on September 21, 2014, 12:11:08 PM
Transcontinental=domestic. It's dead anyways.
Ok.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on September 28, 2014, 03:04:19 AM
Repost from the ex-TLV thread.

Seems like Aegean's new chart will charge award redemptions on their metal by the distance flown, w/ a 7k min.
That means that TLV-ATH (or elsewhere in Greece) would price out at 14k RT?
http://www.newmilesandbonus.com/en#how-you-spend-miles

And the rest of Europe would be a good value as well.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: ilherman on October 01, 2014, 12:12:02 AM
Seems like the cheapest redemption ever. 5500 RT in Y AND 10K in J.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: smart brit on October 01, 2014, 12:49:38 AM
Seems like the cheapest redemption ever. 5500 RT in Y AND 10K in J.
what airline do they give those flights on?
And where do you accumulate their miles?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: ilherman on October 01, 2014, 12:51:53 AM
what airline do they give those flights on?
And where do you accumulate their miles?
SN.

SPG. I think TY Points transfers to EY as well.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: smart brit on October 01, 2014, 12:55:57 AM
SN.

SPG. I think TY Points transfers to EY as well.
Thanks
Interesting! No route to Frankfurt on your screen shot?
And are you sure it's rt?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: ilherman on October 01, 2014, 01:10:13 AM
Thanks
Interesting! No route to Frankfurt on your screen shot?
And are you sure it's rt?
Here is a link

http://www.etihadguest.com/Documents/Etihad%20Guest/PDFs/Brussels-Airlines-Redemption.pdf

I don't think SN operates a flight BRU-FRA.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on October 16, 2014, 03:14:46 PM
I'm sure I must have posted this elsewhere, but the LifeMiles deval had a few bright spots.
One of them is the Middle East to S. Africa decreased by 5k each way in Y and J, and is now cheaper than remaining in the Middle East.  :)

So TLV-SEZ will be 35k/70k, and IMO, economy is the way to go for 2 shortish flights and a 100% mark-up.

http://loyaltylobby.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Avianca-LifeMiles-Comparison-Chart.pdf

Here are their regions.
http://onemileatatime.img.boardingarea.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Avianca-Lifemiles-Award-Chart-2.png
Yup, it's pricing out at 35/70.
For the life of me, I don't get the logic why economy would be cheaper than remaining within the Middle East region (40k).

Either way, it's quite the solid deal.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: AharonInIsrael on October 17, 2014, 07:50:45 AM
Yup, it's pricing out at 35/70.
For the life of me, I don't get the logic why economy would be cheaper than remaining within the Middle East region (40k).

Either way, it's quite the solid deal.
Are you seeing anything on the return that doesn't route through FRA as well? I can't seem to find anything that doesn't have three flights on the return and takes less than 24 hours.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on October 17, 2014, 09:03:03 AM
Are you seeing anything on the return that doesn't route through FRA as well? I can't seem to find anything that doesn't have three flights on the return and takes less than 24 hours.
I only searched one date.
I think it routed through IST, and included a stop in ADD.

Also saw a return from Capetown which was CPT-IST-TLV I believe.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: AharonInIsrael on October 17, 2014, 09:10:33 AM
I only searched one date.
I think it routed through IST, and included a stop in ADD.

Also saw a return from Capetown which was CPT-IST-TLV I believe.
Interesting. I guess I need to search more
Title: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: chucksterace on January 09, 2015, 04:11:16 PM
Seems to be no more TLV to Cyprus as Cyprus Air has ceased operations.

http://m.bbc.com/news/business-30754232
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: @Yehuda on January 12, 2015, 11:49:10 AM
DDFB guy is saying that 80K AZ can book DL direct RT JFK-TLV in J (with YQ). Is that true?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Dan on January 12, 2015, 11:52:15 AM
DDFB guy is saying that 80K AZ can book DL direct RT JFK-TLV in J (with YQ). Is that true?
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/51626
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: @Yehuda on January 12, 2015, 12:08:56 PM
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/51626
I actually searched DDMS because I knew there was some recent post about it (and I even used Google to search), but alas nothing recent came up.
Thanks.

What would be the best way to book AZ J so you can stop in FCO? Is it still using AZ miles for 80K?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: ilherman on January 12, 2015, 12:14:27 PM
I actually searched DDMS because I knew there was some recent post about it (and I even used Google to search), but alas nothing recent came up.
Thanks.
So, how about their discussion of paying the $300 YQ vs spending another 20K and using 100K BA to fly AB without YQ? I would imagine 20K BA is worth less than $300.
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=40051.msg781823#msg781823
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: @Yehuda on January 12, 2015, 12:24:00 PM
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=40051.msg781823#msg781823
Nice thanks. Caught me before the edit.

Do you know this?
What would be the best way to book AZ J so you can stop in FCO? Is it still using AZ miles for 80K?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: ilherman on January 12, 2015, 12:25:29 PM
Nice thanks. Caught me before the edit.

Do you know this?
Probably. Nice thing with them is that they will hold awards for you.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: @Yehuda on January 12, 2015, 12:26:42 PM
Probably. Nice thing with them is that they will hold awards for you.
Wow, that's great. Thank you. Even without having points in the account though?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: ilherman on January 12, 2015, 12:30:38 PM
Wow, that's great. Thank you. Even without having points in the account though?
Yes. But the account will not be active before you transfer 1k points. Also, only one transfer per day.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: @Yehuda on January 12, 2015, 12:39:59 PM
Yes. But the account will not be active before you transfer 1k points. Also, only one transfer per day.
Thanks a lot! Really good info.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on January 12, 2015, 04:31:51 PM
Probably. Nice thing with them is that they will hold awards for you.
How long will they hold for?
There's often good availability TLV-SVO-NYC in J (80k), and the SVO-NYC can be had on DL metal.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on January 22, 2015, 06:40:29 AM
Unsure if this is standard (I'd assume so, but don't recall seeing it), FB is 12.5k each way on DL btw KOA-LAX
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: SRM on January 22, 2015, 08:41:13 AM
Is the 80K rewards booked through AZ on DL only available if DL has saver availability?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: chucksterace on January 22, 2015, 08:44:27 AM

Is the 80K rewards booked through AZ on DL only available if DL has saver availability?

Yes
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: SRM on January 22, 2015, 08:44:57 AM
Yes

Thanks.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Dan on January 22, 2015, 10:24:44 AM
Unsure if this is standard (I'd assume so, but don't recall seeing it), FB is 12.5k each way on DL btw KOA-LAX
Cool, did you just happen to find that?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: ilherman on January 22, 2015, 10:28:32 AM
Unsure if this is standard (I'd assume so, but don't recall seeing it), FB is 12.5k each way on DL btw KOA-LAX
I think thats what they charge from NY to the Caribbean as well.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Dan on January 22, 2015, 10:31:58 AM
So LIH and KOA are 12.5K and OGG and HNL are 15K.
Go figure.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: CS1 on January 22, 2015, 11:11:57 AM
Unsure if this is standard (I'd assume so, but don't recall seeing it), FB is 12.5k each way on DL btw KOA-LAX

what's FB?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: chucksterace on January 22, 2015, 11:13:00 AM
what's FB?

FlyingBlue?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: shimino1 on January 25, 2015, 05:31:20 AM
what's FB?
FaceBook
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on January 25, 2015, 06:44:49 AM
Cool, did you just happen to find that?
Yup, trying to find a return.
Too bad that DL has availability on the other dates that week except for mine.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on April 12, 2015, 01:42:20 AM
ANAs new chart.
http://www.ana.co.jp/wws/japan/e/local/amc/news/info/201503/tukau/pdf/mileschart_teikei.pdf

Their region 8 is very large, and includes TLV, S. Africa, SEZ, and more.

Now to chk what types of YQ these routes would have.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: eli1571 on May 19, 2015, 05:09:27 AM
from the cyprus air website,
Description: Cyprus Airways
Υπό Εκκαθάριση - In Liquidation

Οι Κυπριακές Αερογραμμές Δημόσια Λτδ έχει εισέλθει σε διαδικασία Εκούσιας Εκκαθάρισης στις 30 Ιανουάριου 2015.Οι κ.κ. Αυγουστίνος Παπαθωμάς της Grant Thornton (Cyprus) Limited και David Dunkley της Grant Thornton UK LLP έχουν οριστεί σαν από κοινού Εκκαθαριστές.

Ανακοινώσεις σε σχέση με την πορεία της διαδικασίας Εκκαθάρισης, συμπεριλαμβανομένων ανακοινώσεων για διάθεση στοιχείων ενεργητικού της Εταιρείας θα αναρτώνται σε αυτή την ιστοσελίδα και καλούνται οι ενδιαφερόμενοι να την επισκέπτονται περιοδικά αφού ενημερώνεται συχνά. Για περαιτέρω πληροφορίες παρακαλείστε να επικοινωνείτε με το γραφείο των Εκκαθαριστών στο liquidator@cyprusair.com ή ταχυδρομικώς στην Τ.Θ 21903, 1514 Έγκωμη, Λευκωσία, Κύπρος.
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Announcements in connection with the liquidation process, including various assets which will be disposed, will be posted on this webpage. Interested parties are advised to check back periodically. For any other information, please contact us by email at liquidator@cyprusair.com or by post at P.O. Box 21903, 1514 Engomi, Nicosia, Cyprus.
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Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: eli1571 on May 19, 2015, 05:09:56 AM
any other cheap ways to get from cyprus to tlv ?
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: shimino1 on May 19, 2015, 05:20:47 AM
any other cheap ways to get from cyprus to tlv ?
69$ each way on UP.
Title: Re: Award Chart Discrepancies
Post by: Drago on May 19, 2015, 05:37:29 AM
Good way to take advantage of the 20k AA off peak Europe rates.