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Title: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: JEWDA on July 26, 2012, 01:30:41 PM
I am thinking of starting for the first time. Im just curious how many other people are.
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: sruly101 on July 26, 2012, 01:59:17 PM
I willl iy'h hope it will last till the end ::)
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Post by: meshugener on July 26, 2012, 02:01:01 PM
Can't decide.
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: sruly101 on July 26, 2012, 02:01:29 PM
Can't decide.
y not what can go wrong!???
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Post by: outinstyle on July 26, 2012, 02:11:05 PM
YES
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Post by: momo613 on July 26, 2012, 02:14:48 PM
It's a good thing R Yehuda hanasI started with Brochos. You get into it while it's easy and fun, and you keep going with the harder ones after you've developed a routine. Imagine if the daf YomI cycle began with yevamos!
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: sruly101 on July 26, 2012, 02:18:22 PM
It's a good thing R Yehuda hanasI started with Brochos. You get into it while it's easy and fun, and you keep going with the harder ones after you've developed a routine. Imagine if the daf YomI cycle began with yevamos!
ha ha ur great!! maybe this is the reason shas starts wwith bruches! ;)
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: YOSEF on July 26, 2012, 02:18:54 PM
It's a good thing R Yehuda hanasI started with Brochos. You get into it while it's easy and fun, and you keep going with the harder ones after you've developed a routine. Imagine if the daf YomI cycle began with yevamos...
...or didn't end with Nidah.

Althoug, Eiruvin (near the begining) isn't too easy.
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: meshugener on July 26, 2012, 03:55:43 PM
I hate a shiur learned by a lecturer, I love learning with a partner. So I can't decide whether I'm ready to commit myself to finish a daf each day. Even shabbos???
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: rots5 on July 26, 2012, 04:50:36 PM
i just finished nidda tonight (hence my bbq) but it was very hard and very time consuming, i happen to be in yesh, and i had no time to review what i learnt from the morning sedar so i fell even more behind.

and i understand even more people who work as well, if one can do it though the feeling of finisheing and have a set sedar every day no if and or buts, its a gr8 feeling
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: meshugener on July 26, 2012, 05:06:36 PM
You finished??
Congratulations!!
Who else on DDF finished?
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: rots5 on July 26, 2012, 05:34:34 PM
not finished but did nidda, and a whole bunch others with the daf, iyh gd willing my biggest gola set in my life is to really finsih :-)

Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: sruly101 on July 26, 2012, 05:45:01 PM
 ;D ;DBRAVO ;D ;D
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Post by: jack12 on July 29, 2012, 08:25:56 PM
lol http://didthedaf.com/
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Post by: skyguy918 on July 29, 2012, 09:37:06 PM
lol http://didthedaf.com/

(cue British accent)... "But what do they do to it?!?!?"

I better get at least a few +1's, according to the 'where did you learn' survey there are a handful of you that will laugh when reading this.
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: world2see on July 30, 2012, 07:43:09 AM
I willl iy'h hope it will last till the end ::)
+1
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: good sam on July 30, 2012, 10:24:23 AM
(cue British accent)... "But what do they do to it?!?!?"

I better get at least a few +1's, according to the 'where did you learn' survey there are a handful of you that will laugh when reading this.
Aright, you got mine
+1
Title: Siyum Hashas!! Are you IN on the Daf??
Post by: SPGDUDE on August 02, 2012, 11:22:58 AM
Are you starting the new cycle? What number is it for you?
Title: Re: Siyum Hashas!! Are you IN on the Daf??
Post by: JEWDA on August 02, 2012, 11:24:26 AM
REPOST!!! (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=18450.0)
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: samzyr on August 02, 2012, 07:41:20 PM
Can anybody recommend a good shiur in English to be able to listen to in the car?
Title: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: rots5 on August 02, 2012, 09:22:44 PM
Can anybody recommend a good shiur in English to be able to listen to in the car?
I would suggest rabbi grossman. If your looking for a shuir on mainly the Gemara and explained very well and rashis spoken out and even tos, and such.  It's free download of a daf or even a full mesechta. It's dafyomi.org.
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: MnM1130 on August 02, 2012, 09:31:04 PM
Can anybody recommend a good shiur in English to be able to listen to in the car?
go to torahanytime.com and there are plenty of speakers- on many different subjects. You can download for free, and put them on an ipod and listen in the car... some are actually quite interesting..
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: Mikeoracle on August 02, 2012, 11:47:10 PM
Check out dafaday.com
Very nice audio visual presentation of the daf, including the full daf shiur and a quick <5 min review of the daf which is great to start with in order to give a good outline of the daf, or as a tool to review after.

I know the Magid shiur- he is a great engaging speaker.
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: Mikeoracle on August 03, 2012, 09:57:13 AM
Check out dafaday.com
Very nice audio visual presentation of the daf, including the full daf shiur and a quick <5 min review of the daf which is great to start with in order to give a good outline of the daf, or as a tool to review after.

I know the Magid shiur- he is a great engaging speaker.
Edit- Each daf has 3 separate parts.
1) A 2 minute audio visual overview before learning the Daf to give you the structure of the Daf.
2) The actual shiur which seems to be aprox 30-35 min which has the actual Oiz Vehadar daf that can be zoomed in and out (it works great on my Android S3 as well!) with a small video player of the magid shiur in the top corner that floats above the daf and size of the player can be adjusted.
3) A 5 minute review of the Daf which is great for a quick chazara.
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: This is who I am on August 16, 2012, 07:25:18 AM
do people that do Daf yomi make a Siyum after each Mesechta they finish ??
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: AsherO on August 19, 2012, 02:44:52 AM
do people that do Daf yomi make a Siyum after each Mesechta they finish ??

Of course, it's a huge motivator.
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: This is who I am on August 21, 2012, 09:12:43 AM
Of course, it's a huge motivator.
I never really made one.... Should there be 10 people or could I just make it with my family ??
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: JEWDA on August 21, 2012, 09:44:54 AM
I never really made one.... Should there be 10 people or could I just make it with my family ??
Better to do with a minyan so you could say Kaddish
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: AsherO on August 21, 2012, 05:00:34 PM
Better to do with a minyan so you could say Kaddish

Yup, that's some Kaddish too...
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: This is who I am on August 22, 2012, 10:01:30 PM
Better to do with a minyan so you could say Kaddish
Thanks !!
Title: Re: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: L'Chaim on August 23, 2012, 03:39:38 AM
I never really made one.... Should there be 10 people or could I just make it with my family ??
I never made one either and for that reason I started the daf. I figured, to finish a mesechta in about 2 months is a pretty good start....
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: regalhome on October 04, 2012, 12:48:28 PM
Mazel Tov to all those that finished Brochos today. May you be able to finish the rest of shas.
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: Mikeoracle on October 04, 2012, 05:19:53 PM
Mazel Tov to all those that finished Brochos today. May you be able to finish the rest of shas.
+1 B"H made my Siyum today.

Roll call for those starting Shabbos?
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: This is who I am on October 04, 2012, 05:40:23 PM
Mazel Tov to all those that finished Brochos today. May you be able to finish the rest of shas.
thanks !!!
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: This is who I am on October 04, 2012, 05:40:51 PM
Roll call for those starting Shabbos?
ME!! i hope :}
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Post by: elikay on October 04, 2012, 06:49:45 PM
ME!! i hope :}
+1
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: myb821 on October 04, 2012, 06:54:28 PM
ME!! i hope :}
+1
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: regalhome on October 04, 2012, 09:38:24 PM
+1
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Post by: michael on October 04, 2012, 10:04:07 PM
+1

Massive siyum tonight, ready to go in the morning.
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: mercaz1 on October 05, 2012, 09:37:12 AM
finished but prob not having a siyum
just going to have a lchaim tonight
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: This is who I am on October 05, 2012, 11:22:03 AM
finished but prob not having a siyum
just going to have a lchaim tonight
i was not planning a siyum ...but now i like your idea much better !!
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: Yeki89 on October 05, 2012, 12:00:41 PM
started shabbos
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: rots5 on October 07, 2012, 12:58:13 AM
ME!! i hope :}

+1
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: AsherO on October 12, 2012, 02:04:54 AM
Mazel Tov to all those that finished Brochos today. May you be able to finish the rest of shas.

+1 My Chavrusa and I finished Brochos like 2-3 weeks ago, we're a third of the way through eiruvin and will get back to Shabbos when we're done. Not quite Daf Yomi, but Shas is awesome Ka"H.
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: rots5 on October 12, 2012, 01:53:49 PM
+1 My Chavrusa and I finished Brochos like 2-3 weeks ago, we're a third of the way through eiruvin and will get back to Shabbos when we're done. Not quite Daf Yomi, but Shas is awesome Ka"H.

Kol hakavod!!   Shas is shas.  Learning is learning.  Its all good to me to be honest!
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: elikay on October 13, 2012, 07:52:06 PM
Anyone know where I can find a printable checklist for the Daf?
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: AsherO on October 14, 2012, 02:05:25 AM
Anyone know where I can find a printable checklist for the Daf?

Why don't you get a bookmark and mark it with a marker?
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: regalhome on June 21, 2013, 08:38:54 AM
For those that learned Daf Yomi in the proper order, Mazel Tov on finishing Eruvin today.
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: Moshe123 on June 21, 2013, 08:39:45 AM
For those that learned Daf Yomi in the proper order, Mazel Tov on finishing Eruvin today.

Yup! Great feeling on having accomplished this masechta.

And my avatar changed...
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: mmermss on June 21, 2013, 08:41:00 AM
So whos starting up at Pesachim?
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: rots5 on June 21, 2013, 08:41:57 AM
So whos starting up at Pesachim?
hope to
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: Moshe123 on June 21, 2013, 08:42:00 AM
I hate a shiur learned by a lecturer, I love learning with a partner. So I can't decide whether I'm ready to commit myself to finish a daf each day. Even shabbos???

Shabbos is the easiest day of all. At least in the summer.
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: Moshe123 on June 21, 2013, 08:42:27 AM
hope to

Any gemara cake?
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: rots5 on June 21, 2013, 08:47:41 AM
Any gemara cake?
when i finish
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: sruly101 on June 21, 2013, 08:50:12 AM
Hope to come back on. got stuck in middle shabbos....... :(
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Post by: sguitarist18 on June 23, 2013, 10:33:05 PM
I'm working on finishing Eruvin. Almost there!
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: Centro on June 23, 2013, 10:41:07 PM
Hope to come back on. got stuck in middle shabbos....... :(
Like they say when the cycle starts every 7 years a lot of ppl would start bruches but בא שבת בא מנוחה, when you get to msechta shabess you stop ;)
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Post by: This is who I am on June 24, 2013, 09:17:36 AM
First time doing the Daf, and I am still going strong!!
Thanks to my daily podcast !
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: Moshe123 on June 24, 2013, 09:18:14 AM
First time doing the Daf, and I am still going strong!!
Thanks to my daily podcast !

Keep it up!
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: AsherO on June 24, 2013, 10:20:02 AM
For those that learned Daf Yomi in the proper order, Mazel Tov on finishing Eruvin today.

+1

I'm IYH finishing Shabbos this week, though I missed a few blatt I still have to catch up on...
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: bem684 on June 24, 2013, 10:25:41 AM
So whos starting up at Pesachim?

I did.
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Post by: Moshe123 on June 24, 2013, 11:01:05 AM
I did.

Very nice!
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Post by: SamKey on June 24, 2013, 12:38:09 PM
I still have to catch up on...
Hence your sig ;)
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Post by: AsherO on June 24, 2013, 12:39:40 PM
Hence your sig ;)

-1

I finished Eiruvin ~6 months ago, I have a few important dapim in Shabbos to catch up on.
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: SamKey on June 24, 2013, 12:41:49 PM
-1

I finished Eiruvin ~6 months ago, I have a few important dapim in Shabbos to catch up on.
Lost ya...
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: AsherO on June 24, 2013, 12:43:53 PM
Lost ya...

As mentioned earlier in this thread, I did Eiruvin before Shabbos (don't ask...), so I'm done eiruvin and finishing Shabbos soon.
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: SamKey on June 24, 2013, 12:45:34 PM
As mentioned earlier in this thread, I did Eiruvin before Shabbos (don't ask...), so I'm done eiruvin and finishing Shabbos soon.
That part I got but didn't get the -1
#whatever
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: AsherO on June 24, 2013, 12:46:29 PM
That part I got but didn't get the -1
#whatever

My sig has nothing to do with where I'm holding with Daf.
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: This is who I am on July 05, 2013, 06:26:57 PM
So whos starting up at Pesachim?
Loving Pesachim ...!
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: rots5 on July 06, 2013, 02:21:44 PM
Loving Pesachim ...!
todays daf was very difficult.
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: Sammy82 on July 06, 2013, 10:56:18 PM
dafhachayim.org is the best daf yomi website IMO. very clear, concise, a separate one minute intro, and a five minute summary.  And they have a great android app (and iphone i think).
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: smart brit on July 06, 2013, 11:02:53 PM
todays daf was very difficult.
It's rough until the second perek. But from there is smooth sailing
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: metziah on July 07, 2013, 12:25:18 AM
It's rough until the second perek. But from there is smooth sailing
It's worth putting in the Time to fully understand the laws of טומאה what makes what and what gets passed on. After that you'll have smooth sailing even through these  blatt. My rebbi in fifth grade made us a chart when we learnt this and spent a considerable amount of time on it and I must say that I remember it until today.
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: rots5 on July 07, 2013, 02:05:27 AM
It's worth putting in the Time to fully understand the laws of טומאה what makes what and what gets passed on. After that you'll have smooth sailing even through these  blatt. My rebbi in fifth grade made us a chart when we learnt this and spent a considerable amount of time on it and I must say that I remember it until today.
care to repost it?! please! my rebbe in 5th grade taught us ailo metzios
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: metziah on July 07, 2013, 08:10:36 AM
care to repost it?! please! my rebbe in 5th grade taught us ailo metzios
Sorry I would have to dig it up from my parents basement😢
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: Name Changed on July 07, 2013, 08:36:01 AM
It's rough until the second perek. But from there is smooth sailing
Pheeew
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Post by: Moshe123 on July 07, 2013, 02:14:40 PM
Luckily for me, most chassidishe yeshivos learn the sugya of ר' חנינא סגן הכהנים.
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Post by: henche on July 07, 2013, 02:21:37 PM
I'm having a grand old time with these few blatt. All this stuff I never really understood.
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Post by: regalhome on February 04, 2014, 06:49:47 AM
Mazel Tov on those that finished Yoma today.
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: Moshe123 on February 04, 2014, 07:24:52 AM
Mazel Tov!
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 04, 2014, 03:42:45 PM
Anyone understand why Shamai hazoken held that it is a chumra to put a new born baby in the succa?
Chinuch? TIA
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: Moshe123 on March 04, 2014, 04:02:22 PM
Reminds me of one of the Rebbes put on a kappel on his baby son right after birth. He also ended up a big Rebbe.
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: Ergel on March 04, 2014, 04:07:29 PM
Anyone understand why Shamai hazoken held that it is a chumra to put a new born baby in the succa?
Chinuch? TIA
Katan hatzarich laimo. Not chayav in chinuch of succah
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: Moshe123 on March 04, 2014, 04:10:07 PM
Katan hatzarich laimo. Not chayav in chinuch of succah

You misunderstood the question. He didn't ask why it's only a chumrah.
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: Ergel on March 04, 2014, 04:11:21 PM
You misunderstood the question. He didn't ask why it's only a chumrah.
Oh. Well then what's the question: kol hapatur midavar v'osehu nikrah hedyot?
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 04, 2014, 04:17:26 PM
Right, Why is it a chumra to have a newborn baby sleep in the succa? The baby is not chayav, neither is the parent obligated.
ETA
Unless you say that the baby is indeed mekayem mitzvos....R' Moshe holds like this. (cant remember where)Young children who keep mitzvos are actually fully performing the mitzva. -Like R chaim soloveitchik by hilchos korbon pesach (koton sehigdil bein shnei pesochim is pottur from pesach sheini, because he was yotzeh...)
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: Ergel on March 04, 2014, 04:21:10 PM
Right, Why is it a chumra to have a newborn baby sleep in the succa? The baby is not chayav, neither is the parent obligated.
ETA
Unless you say that the baby is indeed mekayem mitzvos....R' Moshe holds like this. (cant remember where)Young children who keep mitzvos are actually fully performing the mitzva. -Like R chaim soloveitchik by hilchos korbon pesach (koton sehigdil bein shnei pesochim is pottur from pesach sheini, because he was yotzeh...)
I assume that R' chaim doesn't apply to a tinok ben yomo.
I would guess that the chumra is somehow sleeping in a succah would be entrenched into the baby and have an effect on him spiritually/inspire his chinuch
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 04, 2014, 04:26:03 PM
I assume that R' chaim doesn't apply to a tinok ben yomo.{maybe}
I would guess that the chumra is somehow sleeping in a succah would be entrenched into the baby and have an effect on him spiritually/inspire his chinuch{Wouldn't call that a "chumra}
Coming back to me now. Interesting: R moshe proved from the fact that we are not mevatel tinokos for binyan beis hamikdosh, that they are indeed being mekayem a mitzva mideorayso, not just going through motions.
R' Aharon on the other hand, proved from "ein haolom miskayem ela al hevel pihem shel tinokos" that "torah is a cheftzeh that is mekayem the world,"- not the fulfilment of the mitzva of talmud tora, -because ketanim are only mekayem miderabonon for chinuch.
Title: Re: Will You Be Starting The New Daf Yomi Cycle (Next Week)?
Post by: Ergel on March 04, 2014, 04:30:28 PM
I think the raayos they quote for rav chaim are the ramban by ir hanidachas that you kill tinokos sheavdu. and from gemara in beginning of hachovel that ktanim are chayav to pay back if they are chovel, lkesheyagdil midinei shamayim (plus what you already mentioned-korban pesach and I believe there is a fourth but I can't recall now)