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Title: Availability on Swiss or Lufthansa
Post by: me on March 10, 2010, 04:24:52 PM
I have points on US Air for 2 economy tickets to Israel and they dont have space on the dates that I need - I checked Air Canada and Continental as well and they dont have space...

How do I check Swiss or Lufthansa??

Thanks!
Title: Re: Availability on Swiss or Lufthansa
Post by: Dan on March 10, 2010, 04:45:21 PM
ANA has Star Alliance award search.
Title: Re: Availability on Swiss or Lufthansa
Post by: me on March 10, 2010, 04:54:34 PM
ANA has Star Alliance award search.

I couldnt find it on their website.. Can you post a link?

THANKS!!
Title: Re: Availability on Swiss or Lufthansa
Post by: Dan on March 10, 2010, 05:49:56 PM
Did you open an ANA account?
Title: Re: Availability on Swiss or Lufthansa
Post by: chuchem on March 10, 2010, 06:29:58 PM
Ana does not show swiss availi.

Please also note, that Lufthansa gives more seats to members of their own programm then to star alliance members. But Ana is good for Lufthansa
Title: Re: Availability on Swiss or Lufthansa
Post by: mordys on March 10, 2010, 06:32:14 PM
So anyone know tricks to checking Swiss availability? I saw something about checking with JetFriends, anyone know how this works?
Title: Re: Availability on Swiss or Lufthansa
Post by: SuperFlyer on March 11, 2010, 10:01:57 AM
you can try checking with aeroplan.com , however, always check segment by segment, and a return trip
Title: Re: Availability on Swiss or Lufthansa
Post by: mordys on March 11, 2010, 10:57:00 AM
you can try checking with aeroplan.com , however, always check segment by segment, and a return trip

Thanks!
Title: Re: Availability on Swiss or Lufthansa
Post by: me on March 23, 2010, 10:54:25 AM
In the end, I found through ANA space on Lufthansa. WhenI called US Airways to book, they found me availability one way on Swiss.

So I'm going the way there on Swiss and the way back on Lufthansa.

Thanks for all your help
Title: Re: Availability on Swiss or Lufthansa
Post by: Dan on March 23, 2010, 11:11:19 AM
In the end, I found through ANA space on Lufthansa. WhenI called US Airways to book, they found me availability one way on Swiss.

So I'm going the way there on Swiss and the way back on Lufthansa.

Thanks for all your help
Nicely done.
If only there were an accurate way to check Swiss online, life would be much simpler!
Title: Re: Availability on Swiss or Lufthansa
Post by: Mikeoracle on March 23, 2010, 11:13:39 AM
How much if any are the taxes and fees?
Title: Re: Availability on Swiss or Lufthansa
Post by: SuperFlyer on March 23, 2010, 11:14:13 AM
Nicely done.
If only there were an accurate way to check Swiss online, life would be much simpler!
I think someone with a travel agent program could.
Title: Re: Availability on Swiss or Lufthansa
Post by: me on March 23, 2010, 11:15:57 AM
$93 + $50 per ticket
Title: Re: Availability on Swiss or Lufthansa
Post by: Mikeoracle on March 23, 2010, 11:33:36 AM
Not bad, I guess that is a perk of redeeming through US instead of ANA (when that option is available, i.e. when transfering *points)which would have had higher fees. Last time I spoke to ANA they estimated the fees on Swiss and LH at 300-400 per ticket.

The *point cost will be 15K more on US (65K = 80K US as opposed to 50K = 60K ANA for econ)  with a savings of about $250 or so in fees, comes to about 1.7 cents per *point and also a much quicker transfer time to US than ANA- might be worth it in certain situations esp when time is an issue.
Title: Re: Availability on Swiss or Lufthansa
Post by: Dan on March 23, 2010, 11:37:43 AM
Not bad, I guess that is a perk of redeeming through US instead of ANA (when that option is available, i.e. when transfering *points)which would have had higher fees. Last time I spoke to ANA they estimated the fees on Swiss and LH at 300-400 per ticket.

The *point cost will be 15K more on US (65K = 80K US as opposed to 50K = 60K ANA for econ)  with a savings of about $250 or so in fees, comes to about 1.7 cents per *point and also a much quicker transfer time to US than ANA- might be worth it in certain situations esp when time is an issue.
ANA told me they don't charge fuel surcharges for travel on CO, UA, and US.
But for travel on the other *A partners ANA is not so worthwhile.
Title: Re: Availability on Swiss or Lufthansa
Post by: damaxer91 on March 23, 2010, 12:13:30 PM
Nicely done.
If only there were an accurate way to check Swiss online, life would be much simpler!

There is. ExpertFlyer.com
Title: Re: Availability on Swiss or Lufthansa
Post by: Dan on March 23, 2010, 12:28:57 PM
There is. ExpertFlyer.com
I'm too cheap to pay for info that should be free  ;)

Honestly, if they had more airlines' award availability I might consider buying a subscription.
Title: Re: Availability on Swiss or Lufthansa
Post by: Mikeoracle on March 23, 2010, 12:58:42 PM
Quote
ANA told me they don't charge fuel surcharges for travel on CO, UA, and US.
I wonder if this is a new change or maybe I just spoke to an incompetent rep a few months ago when they told me a CO redemption would be about $100 in fees through ANA...
Title: Re: Availability on Swiss or Lufthansa
Post by: Dan on March 23, 2010, 01:25:04 PM
I wonder if this is a new change or maybe I just spoke to an incompetent rep a few months ago when they told me a CO redemption would be about $100 in fees through ANA...
Just called ANA.
They really did not want to figure out the taxes as I have no ANA miles in my account, but after some prodding ("I'm not transferring points from AMEX until I know the taxes") they said it was $79 for EWR-TLV on CO.

Directly from CO it's $43, but they also charge an expedite fee within 21 days and charge 75K miles instead of 60K miles with ANA.
Title: Re: Availability on Swiss or Lufthansa
Post by: Mikeoracle on March 23, 2010, 01:31:16 PM
Thats still not too bad and definitly worth it.
 The biggest downside as far as I am concerned with ANA is the transfer time. If you dont have the points in your account then you take a big chance that the availability might not be there a few weeks later once the transfer is complete, so the options are just transfering now for a future reservation that will hopefully work out, or just taking a big risk once you have available dates and you want to book.
Title: Re: Availability on Swiss or Lufthansa
Post by: Dan on March 23, 2010, 01:44:29 PM
Thats still not too bad and definitly worth it.
 The biggest downside as far as I am concerned with ANA is the transfer time. If you dont have the points in your account then you take a big chance that the availability might not be there a few weeks later once the transfer is complete, so the options are just transfering now for a future reservation that will hopefully work out, or just taking a big risk once you have available dates and you want to book.
This is the primary advantage of AMEX-instant transfers.
Of course with SPG you get a 25% mileage bonus to more then compensate for that.
Title: Re: Availability on Swiss or Lufthansa
Post by: Mikeoracle on March 24, 2010, 11:08:32 AM
you can try checking with aeroplan.com , however, always check segment by segment, and a return trip
When I tried checking award availability through aeroplan it only showed me availability with AC and not any partners. Am I checking it wrong or is it that those dates (a few months worth) that I checked really didnt have any availability except on AC?
Title: Re: Availability on Swiss or Lufthansa
Post by: moe on March 24, 2010, 11:27:36 AM
When I tried checking award availability through aeroplan it only showed me availability with AC and not any partners. Am I checking it wrong or is it that those dates (a few months worth) that I checked really didnt have any availability except on AC?
there's a tab to select all partner airlines there.
Title: Re: Availability on Swiss or Lufthansa
Post by: Daniel on March 24, 2010, 11:55:09 AM
I'm too cheap to pay for info that should be free  ;)

Honestly, if they had more airlines' award availability I might consider buying a subscription.

They give 5 free days I believe, so if you don't mind creating new accounts as needed, and the ethical issue, it can be "free"
Title: Re: Availability on Swiss or Lufthansa
Post by: Dan on March 24, 2010, 12:24:29 PM
When I tried checking award availability through aeroplan it only showed me availability with AC and not any partners. Am I checking it wrong or is it that those dates (a few months worth) that I checked really didnt have any availability except on AC?
It works for Swiss on some routes, like ZRH-CDG, but not for JFK-ZRH.
Title: Re: Availability on Swiss or Lufthansa
Post by: SuperFlyer on March 24, 2010, 03:21:50 PM
I wrote a couple of times already on DD.
On aeroplan you always need to search segment by segment ans always return trip
Title: Re: Availability on Swiss or Lufthansa
Post by: Mikeoracle on March 24, 2010, 03:43:28 PM
So why cant I find any availability for JFK-ZRH-JFK? I checked a few months worth of dates.
Title: Re: Availability on Swiss or Lufthansa
Post by: Dan on March 24, 2010, 03:55:55 PM
So why cant I find any availability for JFK-ZRH-JFK? I checked a few months worth of dates.
I haven't been able to pull up any transatlantic Swiss flights (BOS, ORD, JFK, MIA, LAX, and YUL) on Aeroplan
Title: Re: Availability on Swiss or Lufthansa
Post by: Dan on March 24, 2010, 04:09:37 PM
They give 5 free days I believe, so if you don't mind creating new accounts as needed, and the ethical issue, it can be "free"
I had no idea that you didn't need to use a credit card to try expertflyer.
I'm just trying it now and it's very cool!
If they just had more airlines it would be worth paying for.
Title: Re: Availability on Swiss or Lufthansa
Post by: Daniel on March 24, 2010, 04:51:45 PM
I had no idea that you didn't need to use a credit card to try expertflyer.
I'm just trying it now and it's very cool!
If they just had more airlines it would be worth paying for.

I can't believe I taught Dan something he didn't know- "m'talmiday yoser m'kulam"
Title: Re: Availability on Swiss or Lufthansa
Post by: Dan on March 24, 2010, 04:58:59 PM
I can't believe I taught Dan something he didn't know- "m'talmiday yoser m'kulam"
:D
Title: Re: Availability on Swiss or Lufthansa
Post by: Mikeoracle on April 01, 2010, 12:40:39 AM
Update-
The ANA tool just got updated and now shows Swiss Availability as well.
Title: Re: Availability on Swiss or Lufthansa
Post by: Dan on April 01, 2010, 12:59:57 AM
Update-
The ANA tool just got updated and now shows Swiss Availability as well.
And Air China as well.
Appears to be working great!

If only I can find a way to check El Al online I can forget about EF.
Title: Re: Availability on Swiss or Lufthansa
Post by: SuperFlyer on April 01, 2010, 05:40:40 AM
B"H !

Just need to testdrive it.
Title: Re: Availability on Swiss or Lufthansa
Post by: SuperFlyer on April 01, 2010, 06:21:05 PM
B"H !

Just need to testdrive it.

It works, brilliant !
Title: Re: Availability on Swiss or Lufthansa
Post by: Deal Guy on April 01, 2010, 06:56:35 PM
And Air China as well.
Appears to be working great!

If only I can find a way to check El Al online I can forget about EF.

YOU fly Elal? ???
Title: Re: Availability on Swiss or Lufthansa
Post by: Dan on April 01, 2010, 07:28:51 PM
YOU fly Elal? ???
Never have, but I've been checking of late on EF for a CDG-TLV flight for 20K AA.
Title: Re: Availability on Swiss or Lufthansa
Post by: SuperFlyer on April 01, 2010, 07:40:43 PM
Never have, but I've been checking of late on EF for a CDG-TLV flight for 20K AA.


never fly elal, but am Platinum Matmid, who is crazier?
Title: Re: Availability on Swiss or Lufthansa
Post by: gdam on April 08, 2010, 04:23:21 PM
If only I can find a way to check El Al online I can forget about EF.

Why don't you try El AL site?
Title: Re: Availability on Swiss or Lufthansa
Post by: Dan on April 08, 2010, 07:02:38 PM
Why don't you try El AL site?
I don't have an El Al account...I believe it costs money, no?
Title: Re: Availability on Swiss or Lufthansa
Post by: edgeman on April 08, 2010, 11:54:34 PM
whats ef?
Title: Re: Availability on Swiss or Lufthansa
Post by: Mikeoracle on April 09, 2010, 12:05:52 AM
expertflyer.com
it is a service that checks award availability
Title: Re: Availability on Swiss or Lufthansa
Post by: edgeman on April 09, 2010, 11:40:04 AM
thanks. are there any other ones i should know about?
Title: Re: Availability on Swiss or Lufthansa
Post by: Dan on April 09, 2010, 11:47:49 AM
thanks. are there any other ones i should know about?
Qantas for OneWorld, ANA, Continental, and Air Canada for Star Alliance.
Skyteam is fairly hopeless ever since NW shut down.
Title: Re: Availability on Swiss or Lufthansa
Post by: gdam on April 09, 2010, 06:32:07 PM
I don't have an El Al account...I believe it costs money, no?

Typically it costs money to sign up as a Matmid member. But, if you are a BMI elite they may wave the registration fee and issue you a Matmid card + double status match ( although promo has officially expired, the link is still on the website).

If you want to try , send an email to yaely@elal.co.il  with copy of BMI status and request status match or at least,  the link for free registration to Matmid .

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/el-al-matmid/1043935-elal-offering-double-status-match-bmi-members.html
Title: Re: Availability on Swiss or Lufthansa
Post by: SuperFlyer on April 10, 2010, 07:37:09 PM
Probably a waste of time, I'm THE last guy on planet earth to have been able to sign up, as its only Yaeli herself dealing with it.

I was emailing back and forth with her, and suddenly she wrote that I missed the promo, so I said that it says a certain date limit, and according to israeli time, I still have a few mins, so I've sent my email to her at 11:59pm her time, and she replied that its okay. (Only israelis answer their business emails at such times(she works officially the regular hours)).

You can still give it a shot as you are dealing with israelis, but include copies of two boarding passes to aor from TLV.