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Title: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: zalman123 on March 16, 2010, 01:41:46 PM
if i book with miles a economy seat to Israel because they don't have business available could i upgrade later if something becomes available? and if yes how many miles would it cost? thanx
Title: Re: Continental Plan B
Post by: Dan on March 16, 2010, 01:48:52 PM
Continental "Plan B" allows you to pay the miles for businessfirst and get a mileage refund if you don't get a seat in businessfirst.  Even if you do get a seat in First Class for the non-BF portion but do not get the BR seat you will get the mileage refund.

From this Israel trip report: http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/5335

It works like this: If there is a saverpass coach award seat you can call up the international reward desk and ask for a BusinessFirst ticket but be seated in coach and placed on a waitlist for a BusinessFirst seat. For EWR-TLV your account will be debited 57,500 miles for each way.

You will either clear the waitlist into BusinessFirst no later than 24 hours before the flight or the waitlist will expire.

If at 24 hours before the flight you still don’t have a BusinessFirst seat then at the airport you have to find an International Concierge or other knowlegdable looking agent and tell them that you are a displaced BusinessFirst customer.

If they have no idea what you are talking about tell them to look up “gg onestandby” and review lines 85-89 which spell out the details of this reward. (This is reminiscent of “gg checkpoint line 53″ which you have to reference to show agents how to give you a security pass for you and your guests to access post-security Presidents Club’s if you aren’t flying.)

If they need to verify that you have a BusinessFirst reward have them call up the reward desk.

Still not able to get a seat in BusinessFirst? Just call up the reward desk after the flight and they’ll give you a refund of the difference between the standard coach award and the standard BusinessFirst award.
Title: Re: Continental Plan B
Post by: zalman123 on March 16, 2010, 02:41:29 PM
Thanks dan!! How many miles would i need to do this 300k im trying to get it for 115k?
Title: Re: Continental Plan B
Post by: Dan on March 16, 2010, 03:14:12 PM
Thanks dan!! How many miles would i need to do this 300k im trying to get it for 115k?
If there are 75K economy awards you would pay 115K, be seated in economy, and be waitlisted+prioitized for a businessfirst seat.
Title: Re: Continental Plan B
Post by: zalman123 on March 16, 2010, 08:28:45 PM
Thanks again dan!! do i have to do it on the phone? or is possible some how on line? and is the ticket refundable or could i change the date? is there a charge?
Title: Re: Continental Plan B
Post by: Dan on March 16, 2010, 08:44:34 PM
Thanks again dan!! do i have to do it on the phone? or is possible some how on line? and is the ticket refundable or could i change the date? is there a charge?
It has to be done over the phone.  It can be a challenge finding a rep who knows how to do it.

Date changes are free 21+ days out and cancellation fees vary based on the elite status of the redeeming member:
http://www.continental.com/web/en-US/content/onepass/rewards/travel/ticketing.aspx
Title: Continental business redemption to TLV when not available
Post by: kivabb on March 22, 2010, 09:57:15 AM
It seems Continental opens many more award seating 30 days before departures. In a situation where I want to go Business, but only Coach is available, I have heard rumors that you can lay out the 115K for the coach seat and they charge you the full amount, only if business is available at check in. Otherwise they credit you the difference.

Has anyone heard/tried this or have any info? Does this have to be done only by phone? What is it called?
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: kivabb on March 22, 2010, 11:39:24 AM
So
If there are 75K economy awards you would pay 115K, be seated in economy, and be waitlisted+prioitized for a businessfirst seat.

So assuming I'm not an Elite member, if it turns out there's no availability, do I have to pay $75 to redeposit 40K miles per passenger?

And if there is availability in business, would there be any additional charge?

Does this only work same day as flight?
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on March 22, 2010, 11:55:44 AM
So
So assuming I'm not an Elite member, if it turns out there's no availability, do I have to pay $75 to redeposit 40K miles per passenger?

And if there is availability in business, would there be any additional charge?

Does this only work same day as flight?
If you do not get a BusinessFirst seat you can call after the flight to get the 40K mileage refund without charge.

You are paying for BusinessFirst so you are therefore a "displaced" BusinessFirst passenger if you do not clear the waitlist at 24 hours before the flight.  This is important to stress because if you are listed as displaced you will have top priority for a BusinessFirst seat, ahead of all other standby passengers and nonrevs.
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: kivabb on March 22, 2010, 01:13:43 PM
Great advice.  Thanks.

Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ChaimB on March 22, 2010, 01:25:36 PM
If you do not get a BusinessFirst seat you can call after the flight to get the 40K mileage refund without charge.

You are paying for BusinessFirst so you are therefore a "displaced" BusinessFirst passenger if you do not clear the waitlist at 24 hours before the flight.  This is important to stress because if you are listed as displaced you will have top priority for a BusinessFirst seat, ahead of all other standby passengers and nonrevs.

 Seems like a no-brainer as long as theres nothing that I can lose.

 the 40k U referred to I take it is the difference between a BF tkt and a Coach.  If a person only gets the BF seat in 1 direction do they lose the whole 40k or do they get 20k back? dont know if Id want to blow 115 for BF 1 way and coach the other if coach would be 70k for the round-trip.
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on March 22, 2010, 02:41:10 PM
Seems like a no-brainer as long as theres nothing that I can lose.

 the 40k U referred to I take it is the difference between a BF tkt and a Coach.  If a person only gets the BF seat in 1 direction do they lose the whole 40k or do they get 20k back? dont know if Id want to blow 115 for BF 1 way and coach the other if coach would be 70k for the round-trip.
Correct you will get 20K back if you only clear in one direction.

Also important to note, if you fly LAX-EWR-TLV-EWR-TLV and you clear for LAX-EWR-LAX but not the EWR-TLV-EWR segments you will still get a refund down to the 75K coach level.  Of course if EWR-TLV-EWR clears but LAX-EWR-LAX does not there will be no refund.
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Mikeoracle on March 24, 2010, 11:04:56 AM
I assume the above will only work when booking on CO with CO miles and not when booking a CO award through a *A partner, say with US miles or ANA miles....?
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on March 24, 2010, 12:18:16 PM
I assume the above will only work when booking on CO with CO miles and not when booking a CO award through a *A partner, say with US miles or ANA miles....?
Correct.
This is a very generous CO policy for travel on CO flights when redeeming CO miles.
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: kivabb on May 17, 2010, 10:32:59 PM
Once again, big fan of the site and the forums. Thanks for all the great info.

Trying to book JFK-LAX on AA which has 3 classes of service. I see First is hardly available with mileage, only business and Coach. Is there a similar game plan with AA as there is with Continental that I can use First class reward and get on waiting list if seat is not available and either plead that I'm a displaced First passenger or get my extra miles back?

Thanks
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on June 18, 2010, 12:21:01 AM
Once again, big fan of the site and the forums. Thanks for all the great info.

Trying to book JFK-LAX on AA which has 3 classes of service. I see First is hardly available with mileage, only business and Coach. Is there a similar game plan with AA as there is with Continental that I can use First class reward and get on waiting list if seat is not available and either plead that I'm a displaced First passenger or get my extra miles back?

Thanks
A month late, but you did post while I was traveling.

I've never heard of a plan B on any airline besides for CO.
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: damaxer91 on June 18, 2010, 04:30:58 AM
Once again, big fan of the site and the forums. Thanks for all the great info.

Trying to book JFK-LAX on AA which has 3 classes of service. I see First is hardly available with mileage, only business and Coach. Is there a similar game plan with AA as there is with Continental that I can use First class reward and get on waiting list if seat is not available and either plead that I'm a displaced First passenger or get my extra miles back?

Thanks

No, sadly, AA does not have a similar policy
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AsherO on December 17, 2010, 02:04:18 AM
Correct you will get 20K back if you only clear in one direction.

Also important to note, if you fly LAX-EWR-TLV-EWR-TLV and you clear for LAX-EWR-LAX but not the EWR-TLV-EWR segments you will still get a refund down to the 75K coach level.  Of course if EWR-TLV-EWR clears but LAX-EWR-LAX does not there will be no refund.

Old thread, but methinks you meant LAX-EWR-TLV-EWR-LAX...
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: aussiebochur on March 23, 2011, 12:26:21 AM
It takes some convincing, looking up by the agent, being put on hold but it works.

Have coach confirmed in XN class, waitlisted for O class.
34/50 seats booked. Nobody on the upgrade waitlist.

Hope its gonna work.
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: aussiebochur on March 23, 2011, 02:49:47 AM
Before 24 hours is passengers name supposed to be on the upgrade standby list?
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on March 23, 2011, 09:40:16 AM
Before 24 hours is passengers name supposed to be on the upgrade standby list?
I think that may need to be manually added by someone at the airport.
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: aussiebochur on March 23, 2011, 04:51:19 PM
Yay! Upgraded to BF!

But I'm still not sure how it works. Checked the itinerary online at 23 hours out and it said upgrade available.
I'm not sure when it cleared.

Booked into O class and on pda.co doesn't show as upgraded so I'm guessing a seat opened.

Shame, gonna miss all the fun at the airport quoting gg lines...
Boy, was I dreading that...

Would love to know the exact mechanics (which seem a little obscure) but just happy that its confirmed in BF.:)
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on March 23, 2011, 04:52:37 PM
Yay! Upgraded to BF!

But I'm still not sure how it works. Checked the itinerary online at 23 hours out and it said upgrade available.
I'm not sure when it cleared.

Booked into O class and on pda.co doesn't show as upgraded so I'm guessing a seat opened.

Shame, gonna miss all the fun at the airport quoting gg lines...
Boy, was I dreading that...

Would love to know the exact mechanics (which seem a little obscure) but just happy that its confirmed in BF.:)
Congrats!
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: sky121 on May 27, 2011, 04:02:14 PM
Hey - I booked a trip for my mother with CO Business to tel aviv and coach on the way home ( there was no business available) -  Now I learned about this plan B option - Do you think there would be a way to call in and have them book it "plan B" style? As of the moment there are no coach tickets available either..but she is already booked with one.. Would that work? Any ideas?
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: EliH on May 29, 2011, 10:22:34 PM
first time trying plan B- 5/2 CO84 - Question, do I start calling to inquire/push, if yes how far in advance? How does one see the wait list more than 3 days in advance?
Thanks in advance,
Eli
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: EliH on May 29, 2011, 10:24:22 PM
Correct that, to this Thursday, 6/2
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MLM on May 29, 2011, 11:26:29 PM
Isnt o class only for Plats?
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: EliH on May 31, 2011, 01:17:25 AM
My reservation still shows "This flight segment is waitlisted. "
There seem to be 37 out of 50 biz seats booked. (6/2 #84) How/when do I find out if I will get it before getting to the airport?
Any advice?
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: EliH on June 03, 2011, 08:50:51 AM
I got the upgrade. Thanks for sharing Plan B info.
Shabbat Shalom
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on June 03, 2011, 09:46:33 AM
I got the upgrade. Thanks for sharing Plan B info.
Shabbat Shalom
Congrats!  When did the upgrade clear?

How was seat 11E, is that one with a large footwell cutout or small footwell cutout?
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yordai Dooma on June 03, 2011, 10:59:34 AM
Would this work for a connecting domestic flight.

Such as JFK-DFW-FRA where the JFK-DFW flight is a UA flight and only economy is available. The DFW-FRA is in F on LH. So you pay anyway the cost of F but end up with one leg in economy...
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on June 03, 2011, 11:01:48 AM
Sure
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yordai Dooma on June 03, 2011, 11:05:42 AM
Sure
So would i need to call and get put on a waitlist or is that done automatically?
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: aussiebochur on June 03, 2011, 11:07:59 AM
So would i need to call and get put on a waitlist or is that done automatically?
Gotta call to waitlist.

You have a pretty good chance, we are 2/2 here...
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: SPGCont on June 03, 2011, 01:09:02 PM
Can you do the reverse? i.e. book a continental mileage ticket in business because no availability in coach and later switch to coach if it become available for miles?
If that is allowed, would that incur any fees to make the change and get the extra miles paid refunded?   

Thanks!
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: EliH on June 04, 2011, 05:13:09 PM
I/we all cleared 1 hour before the flight. 11E -small footwell compared to 8D/E

I was # 4 on standby list, and not the only "displaced" passenger
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: shmiel on June 06, 2011, 11:54:38 AM
Could I be waitlisted for a BF direct flight EWR-TLV even though they only have connection(EWR-FRA-TLV) available at the saver level? I assume the answer is no, just want to confirm.
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on June 06, 2011, 12:02:15 PM
Could I be waitlisted for a BF direct flight EWR-TLV even though they only have connection(EWR-FRA-TLV) available at the saver level? I assume the answer is no, just want to confirm.
Nope, but you can keep checking daily for it to open.  If there are extra seats it may even open just hours before the flight.
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: goodenglewood on June 07, 2011, 01:52:28 AM
i thought as long as there is a saverpass in business avilable with a partner, you can waitlist on the CO flight direct from EWR ???
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: momo on June 07, 2011, 11:53:00 AM
Let me chime in. Used Plan B for my parents 4 months ago cleared both ways!
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: aussiebochur on June 09, 2011, 12:21:06 PM
Let me chime in. Used Plan B for my parents 4 months ago cleared both ways!
Awesome.
We are still at 100% here.  ;D
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: andrew on July 06, 2011, 06:21:58 PM
Does this also work for partner airlines?
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: goodenglewood on July 06, 2011, 06:41:09 PM
Nope, this is only offered on CO Flights using CO mileage
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yosel on July 07, 2011, 10:03:51 AM
i have an award booking 60k points tlv-zrh-ewr b/c  right now cleard on LX in b/c from tlv-zrh,  and cleard only in economy on UA979 zrh-ewr.

Will plan B work for us?
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: bades on July 07, 2011, 11:53:18 AM
i have an award booking 60k points tlv-zrh-ewr b/c  right now cleard on LX in b/c from tlv-zrh,  and cleard only in economy on UA979 zrh-ewr.

Will plan B work for us?

how do u have a ticket for 60k??
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on July 07, 2011, 11:55:11 AM
how do u have a ticket for 60k??
OW
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yosel on July 07, 2011, 01:07:01 PM
how do u have a ticket for 60k??
OW
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yosel on July 07, 2011, 01:07:31 PM
so will plan b work in my case?
Thanks
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on July 07, 2011, 01:07:56 PM
so will plan b work in my case?
Thanks
No idea, why not call and find out?
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: bades on July 07, 2011, 01:09:18 PM
does this concept apply to DELTA as well or just CO
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AsherO on July 07, 2011, 01:09:47 PM
does this concept apply to DELTA as well or just CO

Only CO.
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: damaxer91 on July 07, 2011, 01:21:33 PM
how do u have a ticket for 60k??

One-Way in Business from TLV-N. America is 60k now
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yosel on July 07, 2011, 01:34:49 PM
So here is my answer, they will not waitlist on united, however if the zrh-ewr does not open up in B/C, i can get my miles back into my account as a displaced b/c passenger
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on July 07, 2011, 01:47:49 PM
So here is my answer, they will not waitlist on united, however if the zrh-ewr does not open up in B/C, i can get my miles back into my account as a displaced b/c passenger
How many miles will you get back?  If you are in J for TLV-ZRH I'd imagine you wouldn't get anything back.
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: myb821 on July 07, 2011, 02:51:04 PM
how do u have a ticket for 60k??
one way
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yosel on July 07, 2011, 03:15:54 PM
How many miles will you get back?  If you are in J for TLV-ZRH I'd imagine you wouldn't get anything back.
She said 20k,  the diference between economy and b/c

Yes i took her name etc.. just in case
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on July 07, 2011, 03:26:15 PM
She said 20k,  the diference between economy and b/c

Yes i took her name etc.. just in case
But you got business for TLV-ZRH?

I know on CO if you clear the domestic segment but not the international segment you get the miles back.  But if the international segment clears than there are no refunds.
Seems strange that you would be entitled to a refund.
YMMV I suppose.
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yosel on July 07, 2011, 03:33:41 PM
But you got business for TLV-ZRH?

I know on CO if you clear the domestic segment but not the international segment you get the miles back.  But if the international segment clears than there are no refunds.
Seems strange that you would be entitled to a refund.
YMMV I suppose.
1-Yes

2- she mentiond something about "the longer of the 2 flights"

will keep u posted
Title: Re: Need help finding a ticket? Post here! Award ticket edition (Master thread)
Post by: Knaper_Chuchem on September 19, 2011, 12:16:34 PM
Nice!
Please update when it clears. We're at 100% clearing here on DDF :D


Now, the flight is leaving tomorrow, and there's only one seat open in B/F, and there's already one person on the 'upgrade standby list'. According to them I should be on the list too.
 
"Who is included on the upgrade list?

There are several reasons why a customer could get upgraded on a flight. Below are some of the most common types of customers shown on the list of “Customers Upgraded” and “Upgrade Standby” lists:



1. Eligible premium cabin fares. Customers who have paid or redeemed miles for a seat in First Class or BusinessFirst but were only able to confirm a seat in Economy Class will appear on the “Upgrade Standby” list after checking in. If space is available, they will be cleared on to the “Customers Upgraded list” "

As the latter being Plan-B. How can I get myself on this cherished list?? I understand I have to checkin first, how can I checkin before 24 hours of the flight?
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on September 19, 2011, 05:18:03 PM
You need to ask an airport agent to manually place you on the list within 24 hours of the flight.

Make sure to stress you are a displaced BusinessFirst customer as you paid for a BF seat but are seated in coach.  This will give you priority status that will place you ahead of regular people on the upgrade standby list trying to use miles+cash or SWUs to upgrade.  Make sure they notate the priority status.  In CO language it's called "PR-1."  Confirm that you have PR-1 status.

Also due to the refundable nature of most BF seats, there are commonly no-shows at the gate, so even if it says full there's a chance they will upgrade people even after they board the plane.
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Knaper_Chuchem on September 19, 2011, 06:26:15 PM
You need to ask an airport agent to manually place you on the list within 24 hours of the flight.


Thanks! But how do I get in touch with an airport agent without going down to the airport? (Let's not forget, there's already one person on the upgrade standby list, while there's only one seat open, hence no time to wait for tomorrow after checkin)
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on September 19, 2011, 06:31:32 PM
Thanks! But how do I get in touch with an airport agent without going down to the airport?
You don't.  Odds are that the other person does not have PR-1, but if its important to you you'll have to go to the airport at 24 hours prior to the flight to make sure you are the first PR-1 added to the list.

Fair warning that not all agents know what they're doing, it may take going to several to find the one that knows how to prioritize you as a displaced BF customer.
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ssybp on October 05, 2011, 09:23:09 PM
ok so how do i start from scratch im new at this points thing- i have alot of points for continental i want to book a flight there is availability for the more expensive coach do you know if they usually open up more closer to the date.
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: TC610 on October 06, 2011, 03:48:05 PM
ok so how do i start from scratch im new at this points thing- i have alot of points for continental i want to book a flight there is availability for the more expensive coach do you know if they usually open up more closer to the date.
Are you new to the whole fourms thing too?   Please try to read through and search some of the forum posts first, and try not to reply to a post by getting way off topic like you are doing now.  You'll find that most of your questions have already been asked & answered.
Title: Mileage Plus Rewards
Post by: Mocha on March 11, 2012, 12:15:12 AM
if I book a flight in Saver Pass economy and at a later date I see Saver Pass business availability open up, can I upgrade without any trouble?
Title: Re: Mileage Plus Rewards
Post by: SuperFlyer on March 11, 2012, 10:44:16 AM
If paying $75 isn't called trouble, you can upgrade to anything you want, as long as you give the mileage difference.
Title: Re: Mileage Plus Rewards
Post by: Mocha on March 11, 2012, 11:23:23 AM
If paying $75 isn't called trouble, you can upgrade to anything you want, as long as you give the mileage difference.
$75 to change seats? Ya that's trouble.
Title: Re: Mileage Plus Rewards
Post by: Dan on March 11, 2012, 11:38:51 AM
if I book a flight in Saver Pass economy and at a later date I see Saver Pass business availability open up, can I upgrade without any trouble?
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=1894.0
Title: Re: Mileage Plus Rewards
Post by: aussiebochur on March 11, 2012, 11:48:43 AM
Anyone tried Plan B on new United?
Title: Re: Mileage Plus Rewards
Post by: Dan on March 11, 2012, 11:57:10 AM
Anyone tried Plan B on new United?
Not that I've seen, however it seems that the CO backbone is running pretty much everything, so I'm quite hopeful.
Title: Re: Mileage Plus Rewards
Post by: aussiebochur on March 11, 2012, 12:10:24 PM
From this page (http://pss.united.com/web/en-US/content/mileageplus/awards/travel/types.aspx)on United.com, it looks like its a go.

 You may redeem miles for travel in United Global FirstSM, United First®, United Business® or United BusinessFirst , even if the space is not available.In these cases, United Economy in the same award type must be confirmed, and the front cabin will be waitlisted. For example, a Saver United First award must be confirmed in Saver United Economy to be eligible for waitlisting. If the courtesy waitlist does not clear, it will expire 24 hours before itinerary departure, and you will automatically be added to the airport upgrade standby list upon check-in. In these cases, you will be confirmed on a space-available basis by a United airport representative at the gate once the flight has closed for check-in. For United BusinessFirst and United Business travel awards, the difference in miles will be refunded when the United BusinessFirst or United Business class segment of the trip could not be confirmed. Waitlist requests may only be made over the phone with your local United Reservations office.
Title: Re: Mileage Plus Rewards
Post by: Dan on March 11, 2012, 12:31:04 PM
Awesome!  Please let us know if anyone tries it.
Title: Re: Mileage Plus Rewards
Post by: Mocha on March 11, 2012, 02:12:39 PM
Awesome!  Please let us know if anyone tries it.
+1 It is awesome. Never knew you could do that on CO.
I'm gonna do that but my trip ain't until Jan 2013. Hope someone chimes in before then.
Title: Re: Mileage Plus Rewards
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 11, 2012, 03:53:49 PM
Don't know if this new or not, but I'm boarding a UA flight now and their iPhone app has been showing an 'upgrade list' complete with 3 letters of last name plus first initial (I want on the list ;()
Title: Re: Mileage Plus Rewards
Post by: Dan on March 11, 2012, 04:00:31 PM
Lol...CO has had that for many years.
Title: Re: Mileage Plus Rewards
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 11, 2012, 04:05:39 PM
Lol...CO has had that for many years.
+1 Never used their iOS app before. Or anything else besides online check in for that matter
Title: Re: Mileage Plus Rewards
Post by: Mocha on March 11, 2012, 06:20:39 PM
Wait so if i pay 40k for a OW BF ticket in saver pass but the saver pass for coach is 20k, now say a seat doesn't open up for me, do I now pay saver pass coach at 20k or am u forced to pay the anytime fare which is 40k (same as bf in saver pass)?
Title: Re: Mileage Plus Rewards
Post by: myb821 on March 11, 2012, 06:23:23 PM
Wait so if i pay 40k for a OW BF ticket in saver pass but the saver pass for coach is 20k, now say a seat doesn't open up for me, do I now pay saver pass coach at 20k or am u forced to pay the anytime fare which is 40k (same as bf in saver pass)?
if ur waitlist doesnt clear then u get the other 20k refunded
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on March 11, 2012, 06:27:39 PM
For LAX-EWR-TLV for example even if LAX-EWR clears, if EWR-TLV does not you still get the extra miles refunded.
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Mocha on March 11, 2012, 07:28:28 PM
Whats the chance that something opens up from LIH-HNL-EWR?
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AsherO on March 11, 2012, 08:05:07 PM
For LAX-EWR-TLV for example even if LAX-EWR clears, if EWR-TLV does not you still get the extra miles refunded.

What about (theoretically) vice versa? Do all legs have to clear? Longest leg?
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on March 11, 2012, 08:17:45 PM
Based on the BF leg clearing.
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Mocha on March 12, 2012, 05:48:47 PM
Can this be booked online? If yes then how?
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Knaper_Chuchem on March 12, 2012, 05:58:39 PM
Can this be booked online? If yes then how?


Ahhh, 'wishful thinking' some might call it, and I'd gladly agree...
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Mocha on March 12, 2012, 07:37:12 PM


Ahhh, 'wishful thinking' some might call it, and I'd gladly agree...
When I called, the agent wanted to charge me to $25 booking over the phone fee.
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on March 12, 2012, 07:49:24 PM
When I called, the agent wanted to charge me to $25 booking over the phone fee.
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/3250 they'll waive it if it can't be done online.
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Knaper_Chuchem on March 13, 2012, 01:43:21 AM
They'll waive it if it can't be done online.


Still, it makes one wonder why aren't they making these options available online? And so many other options? Just to name a few, waitlisting a direct flight, confirming a cleared waitlist, changing a reservation with a partner, and the list goes on.. 

Just to give you a small example, I wasted probably 2 hours of CO staff (and we're not talking third world countries outsourced staff, we're talking highly paid employees residing in the US and A..) when doing my last successful 'Plan B'. I was on the phone with 5 agents till I got it done.. Seriously! 

I must think it has to do with my lack of wisdom.. As my name will attest to that!
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Mocha on March 13, 2012, 09:20:27 AM
Why does everyone on FT stress thr this is really a last resort? Seems like a fair chance that youll get confirmed J.
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on March 13, 2012, 11:11:59 AM
Why does everyone on FT stress thr this is really a last resort? Seems like a fair chance that youll get confirmed J.
Because you still may wind up in coach.  I'd rather fly at less convenient times than have a chance at being stuck in the back of the bus on a longhaul.
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Mocha on March 13, 2012, 11:16:10 AM
Because you still may wind up in coach.  I'd rather fly at less convenient times than have a chance at being stuck in the back of the bus on a longhaul.
Got it. Though it may not be the case for me as I'm planing on leaving LIH on Thursday afternoon and the only the other flight that has availability in J is in the am so don't want to lose out to much time there.
Plus J for me would be to have a nice sleep and not be interrupted with a stop at LAX smack mid-dream.
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Mocha on March 13, 2012, 12:44:07 PM
they'll waive it if it can't be done online.
Where does it say that on the website?
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on March 13, 2012, 12:44:28 PM
It doesn't.
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Mocha on March 13, 2012, 12:45:16 PM
It doesn't.
CSR refused to waive anything before we even got started. HUCA approach?
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on March 13, 2012, 03:12:09 PM
HUCA approach?
Of course.
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Mocha on April 20, 2012, 11:26:08 AM
Does anyone know if this only works for itinerary with intl legs or it can also be done on itnin wholly domestic?
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: benchik on August 17, 2012, 01:07:49 AM
I just did this with United. I had to walk the agent through the website to show her the rule. After hanging up. I noticed that only one seat was waitlisted. (I booked 2.) The other one was only in economy. However, the miles deducted was the total of both seats in business.

I called again and got a agressive agent who didn't like the whole idea. She then removed the waitlist on the 1 flight. It now shows both to be in economy, but the mileage deducted for both is for the business amount.

Is it possible that this is enough, or will I have to go through the whole story with united again?
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: benchik on August 17, 2012, 01:50:06 PM
Anyone with fresh experience on this?
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: duvid crockett on August 17, 2012, 02:19:35 PM
I just did this with United. I had to walk the agent through the website to show her the rule. After hanging up. I noticed that only one seat was waitlisted. (I booked 2.) The other one was only in economy. However, the miles deducted was the total of both seats in business.

I called again and got a agressive agent who didn't like the whole idea. She then removed the waitlist on the 1 flight. It now shows both to be in economy, but the mileage deducted for both is for the business amount.

Is it possible that this is enough, or will I have to go through the whole story with united again?
When are u trying to book for? I'm ticketed in businessfirst for Sunday afternoon from a waitlist but I was booked already for Lufthansa and they confirmed my direct seat about 3 weeks ago
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Moishebatchy on October 14, 2012, 09:39:30 PM
Anybody have any updated info on whether there is any possible way of getting onto the upgrade list without physically being at the airport?
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: yosele on March 27, 2013, 10:43:40 PM
I have a reservation with saverpass award. I want to be put on the wait list.

The first rep I spoke with told me that I could be put on the wait list, and if I get the seat, my miles will be deducted.

Is that the right way to do it? How do I specify to the agent what I want to do? Benchik, where on the site is the instructions to walk through the rep?
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on March 27, 2013, 11:13:22 PM
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/23569
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: yosele on March 27, 2013, 11:21:23 PM
Does the complete reservation have to be done over the phone or first I do the economy reservation online and I call to be added?

Need a wiki here.....
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: yosele on March 28, 2013, 12:17:29 AM
If the rep does not take mileage upfront for the reservation, I am not waitlisted the right way. Correct?

I see two comments on the main blog that they also encountered these problems, does this method still work?
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: yosele on March 29, 2013, 08:54:55 AM
Thanks Dan!!!!

You could add another success story.  Called and made sure that they are taking the extra miles for business, and the rep told me that I on a priority waiting list.
This night I got an email that I was upgraded.

Thanks Dan again
Title: Re: Continental Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on March 29, 2013, 09:12:41 AM
Thanks Dan!!!!

You could add another success story.  Called and made sure that they are taking the extra miles for business, and the rep told me that I on a priority waiting list.
This night I got an email that I was upgraded.

Thanks Dan again
Very nice!
Post a comment here with more details please: http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/23569
Title: UA award question
Post by: yos9694 on April 11, 2013, 03:30:14 PM
If there is saver award availability in economy, but only standard award availability in business, can I book the economy ticket and later upgrade to business with miles? If that can be done, would the upgrade cost the difference between saver bus and saver economy or is that wishful thinking?

Ex. Economy ticket for 40,000 and business class not available for 60,000 (can get it for 150,000). Can I book the 40,000 and pay 20,000 to upgrade? Or would I have to pay 110,000 to upgrade?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: yare on April 26, 2013, 05:54:02 AM
so i just booked a fll-ewr-tlv, with plan b.     fll-ewr is open in first.   when i check online it says i'm in I for that leg, and by the ewr-tlv leg it says X and next to it " I class requested"                        but they only took 40k miles from my account.   how can i tell if i'm actually ticketed for the new class'?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on April 26, 2013, 07:39:48 AM
so i just booked a fll-ewr-tlv, with plan b.     fll-ewr is open in first.   when i check online it says i'm in I for that leg, and by the ewr-tlv leg it says X and next to it " I class requested"                        but they only took 40k miles from my account.   how can i tell if i'm actually ticketed for the new class'?

Is the flight soon, have elite status? could be the domestic complimentary upgrade that went through
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Chaikel on April 27, 2013, 04:50:31 PM
Is the flight soon, have elite status? could be the domestic complimentary upgrade that went through
No, if the domestic clears you get it for free. Dan has posted this (and every blogger picked it up from him)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Moishebatchy on April 27, 2013, 05:21:14 PM
so i just booked a fll-ewr-tlv, with plan b.     fll-ewr is open in first.   when i check online it says i'm in I for that leg, and by the ewr-tlv leg it says X and next to it " I class requested"                        but they only took 40k miles from my account.   how can i tell if i'm actually ticketed for the new class'?

"I class requested" means you're good to go.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: sruly on May 14, 2013, 05:18:51 PM
Would plan B work for a domestic flight as well ? JFK-LAX ?

Also if only standard awards are available can I book 25k one way in coach
and be wait listed if a saver pass business class seat opens ?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on May 14, 2013, 07:09:54 PM
Would plan B work for a domestic flight as well ? JFK-LAX ?

Also if only standard awards are available can I book 25k one way in coach and be wait listed if a saver pass business class seat opens ?
Yes.
No.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: yare on May 16, 2013, 04:40:52 PM
if i'm flying fll-ewr-tlv and i'm waitlisted on the ewr-tlv leg, can i go to fll 24 hours before to be put on the priority waitlist?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Side incomer on May 16, 2013, 10:22:55 PM
No.

YMMV. Done that many times successfully.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on May 17, 2013, 12:16:11 AM
I should clarify.  You can always waitlist, but it's not a plan B situation where you can attain PR-1 status.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Side incomer on May 17, 2013, 12:24:58 AM
I should clarify.  You can always waitlist, but it's not a plan B situation where you can attain PR-1 status.
Gotcha
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: sruly on May 17, 2013, 12:14:32 PM
I should clarify.  You can always waitlist, but it's not a plan B situation where you can attain PR-1 status.
How does the waitlist work ? Do I redeem the 25k standard coach seat and get switch automatically if a business class seat opens up ?
and if not do i get on the standby list at the airport ?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: sruly on May 20, 2013, 01:53:51 PM
YMMV. Done that many times successfully.
What was your experience being waitlisted ? did you upgrade ? how soon ?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: sruly on May 20, 2013, 02:32:04 PM
I should clarify.  You can always waitlist, but it's not a plan B situation where you can attain PR-1 status.
I just spoke to 2 different agents with united and they said that if I am booked in a standard economy seat they cannot Waitlist me for a saver awards business seat.
Should I HUCA ?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Kosher1 on June 04, 2013, 10:21:37 PM
will this work with US Airway miles flying UA?  :-\
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MEIR613 on June 04, 2013, 10:30:20 PM
will this work with US Airway miles flying UA?  :-\
No
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ganizzy on June 27, 2013, 03:54:33 PM
i am flying MEL-LAX in aug with 5 tickets

i already have economy saver tickets.

should/could i do plan B at this point? would it be to business (an additional 27.5k) or to first (an additional 40k)

is there any chance of 5 seats clearing? right now my points r in UR and i was thinking of monetizing them, so if there is no chance of getting those seats, i wouldnt want them sitting around in United miles


Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ganizzy on July 17, 2013, 09:46:14 PM
i am flying MEL-LAX in aug with 5 tickets

i already have economy saver tickets.

can i do plan b at this point?

is there any chance of 5 seats clearing? right now my points r in UR and i was thinking of monetizing them, so if there is no chance of getting those seats, i wouldnt want them sitting around in United miles


bump
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Ergel on July 17, 2013, 10:26:25 PM
Are you flying united? No one can predict if you'll clear. You'll pay whatever you get waitlisted for and get upgraded to
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ganizzy on July 17, 2013, 10:36:35 PM
Are you flying united? No one can predict if you'll clear. You'll pay whatever you get waitlisted for and get upgraded to

I was wondering if anyone had experience with that route. If there is a slim to no chance then I won't bother transferring the miles.

Secondly, can I do plan B if the tickets are already booked?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Ergel on July 17, 2013, 10:37:32 PM
Secondly, can I do plan B if the tickets are already booked?
Yes
Are you flying united?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Crazy tools on July 17, 2013, 11:23:05 PM
Dont know if this is the right place...but

I have a coach standard award booked for 55k united miles (nyc-eze), I really want a saver biz ticket which is only 50k miles. As of now there is no saver availability in coach or biz. Is there anything i can do to put me waitlisted in the biz seats?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ganizzy on July 17, 2013, 11:57:08 PM
Yes
Are you flying united?

Yes
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: gevaldig on July 19, 2013, 03:35:30 PM
Hi I looked thru the whole thread, trying to book one way tickets from TLV- NYC after sukkos, (from nyc to tlv already booked biz with miles) there are only standared award coach avail, no saver award, does Plan B also work on standard award??? thanks a lot
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on July 19, 2013, 03:38:53 PM
NAFAIK
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: gevaldig on July 19, 2013, 04:17:51 PM
Dear Great Dan, thanks for being such an helpful person always ready to help a fellow yid, if u don't know who would!! As I got I'd attention maybe u can help me out a bit,   I'm sitting the last 3 days combing thru all the forums regarding flying to Israel with miles, tried united.com with stops thru Fra,Muc,Zrh,Vie,Waw,Bru,Ist, I can't find anything with only 1 stop in business , Dan would u pls be able to give me An idea?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MEIR613 on July 21, 2013, 01:41:43 AM
Dear Great Dan, thanks for being such an helpful person always ready to help a fellow yid, if u don't know who would!! As I got I'd attention maybe u can help me out a bit,   I'm sitting the last 3 days combing thru all the forums regarding flying to Israel with miles, tried united.com with stops thru Fra,Muc,Zrh,Vie,Waw,Bru,Ist, I can't find anything with only 1 stop in business , Dan would u pls be able to give me An idea?
I know I am not Dan, but maybe try through Miles and More (Lufthansa and Swiss).

They have extra availability on LX and LH.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: gevaldig on July 21, 2013, 11:29:27 AM
Thanks MIER613, I tried searching miles&more but I couldn't search award tickets, do I need to have miles in my account to search? 
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MEIR613 on July 21, 2013, 11:32:51 AM
Thanks MEIR613, I tried searching miles&more but I couldn't search award tickets, do I need to have miles in my account to search?
FTFY

Yes.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: gevaldig on July 21, 2013, 11:41:32 AM
Tnx, I searched the acranoyms forum but couldn't find the definition of FTFY if u could pls explain it to me, tnx a lot
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on July 21, 2013, 11:43:08 AM
Tnx, I searched the acranoyms forum but couldn't find the definition of FTFY if u could pls explain it to me, tnx a lot

Fix That For You

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=10531
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: gevaldig on July 21, 2013, 11:59:11 AM
How many points do I need to transfer in order to be able to search? How long does it take to show up in the miles&more account?
And I have Amex and UR which ones transfer faster, tnx for everyone for helping me I really appreciate it
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MEIR613 on July 21, 2013, 12:02:28 PM
How many points do I need to transfer in order to be able to search? How long does it take to show up in the miles&more account?
And I have Amex and UR which ones transfer faster, tnx for everyone for helping me I really appreciate it
You don't need any. Just need an account.

Amex and UR don't transfer.

Only SPG and it takes some time.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: yare on July 21, 2013, 12:10:31 PM
i got an email from united 24 hours before my flight that they haven't been able to confirm the upgrade but they're putting me on the ug standby list...   is there still a reason to go to the airport?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: gevaldig on July 21, 2013, 12:14:07 PM
So how do I search miles&more award availability? MIER613
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: yare on July 21, 2013, 12:16:21 PM
So how do I search miles&more award availability? MIER613
stop killing this thread... go elsewhere for m&m talk
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: gevaldig on July 21, 2013, 12:28:26 PM
Sorry Yare, didn't mean to offend u, sorry, I was just trying to get some help, sorry if it bothered you
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MEIR613 on July 21, 2013, 12:32:52 PM
So how do I search miles&more award availability? MEIR613
FTFY.

Make an account.

Continue discussion over here.

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=2288.555
 
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on July 21, 2013, 01:02:36 PM
i got an email from united 24 hours before my flight that they haven't been able to confirm the upgrade but they're putting me on the ug standby list...   is there still a reason to go to the airport?
not sure about ur sit. But I've bin following united lately and if u see that some seats are still not sold out they open it even 3 hours before the flight. So was with the 11:45 am flight this morning TLV-EWR  9:45 am they opened the biz awards....
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on July 21, 2013, 01:04:38 PM
With economy awards I've bin following the past week, and just 3 hours before the flight it always opened up....
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: SearchGuy on July 23, 2013, 10:50:44 PM
I requested an upgrade with a 'global premier upgrade' and they told me that i am on the wait list and there is still 3 available seats in this cabin, i checked for a paid business class ticket and there is no availability, my flight is tomorrow 4:10, how are the chances for the upgrade to go through?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on July 23, 2013, 11:33:29 PM
I requested an upgrade with a 'global premier upgrade' and they told me that i am on the wait list and there is still 3 available seats in this cabin, i checked for a paid business class ticket and there is no availability, my flight is tomorrow 4:10, how are the chances for the upgrade to go through?
ive seeing lots of times that u can't buy a biz. Ticket even with money, and sometime before the flight they are opening it op for saver awards.... Go figure.... Btw it was open today for f couple of hours the 4:10 pm flight for biz. Saver award.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on July 23, 2013, 11:35:08 PM
U should always check availability on united, on there seat map , not if its available for purchase.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on July 23, 2013, 11:37:05 PM
U should always check availability on united, on there seat map , not if its available for purchase.
-1.
Seat maps are not an indicator of much.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on July 23, 2013, 11:39:52 PM
I requested an upgrade with a 'global premier upgrade' and they told me that i am on the wait list and there is still 3 available seats in this cabin, i checked for a paid business class ticket and there is no availability, my flight is tomorrow 4:10, how are the chances for the upgrade to go through?
Business is booked to 50. Barring a cancellation you odds are very slim.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on July 23, 2013, 11:41:51 PM
BTW there's a weird flight tomorrow, United 1756 leaving EWR at 6am and arriving at 11:25pm with tons of open seats in J and Y in case you want that upgrade to go through.

Anyone know what the deal is with it?
Doesn't show up in an award search, only for a paid search.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on July 23, 2013, 11:50:11 PM
Anyone know what the deal is with it?
Doesn't show up in an award search, only for a paid search.
It's a replacement flight for the cancelled EWR-TLV flight tonight.

If you want to fly business it's definitely the way to go, pretty much a sure thing!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on July 23, 2013, 11:56:21 PM
-1.
Seat maps are not an indicator of much.
maybe not accurate 100 percent but more then if its available for purchase for sure. (On Delta seat map sir Dan ur 100 percent right) for example it was not available for tomorrow biz. 10:45 pm EWR-TLV for $ or standard award and about a hour ago it opened up, I grabbed it for my brother, and now it's closed again, I was just keeping on refreshing the page till it became available, my hopes that it will open up was because the SEAT MAP had some seats on biz. Available even it was not available for revenue or even standard award. I wouldn't argue with you sir, but I'm following United for the past few week.... Almost every flight EWR-TLV
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on July 24, 2013, 12:00:22 AM
maybe not accurate 100 percent but more then if its available for purchase for sure. (On Delta seat map sir Dan ur 100 percent right) for example it was not available for tomorrow biz. 10:45 pm EWR-TLV for $ or standard award and about a hour ago it opened up, I grabbed it for my brother, and now it's closed again, I was just keeping on refreshing the page till it became available, my hopes that it will open up was because the SEAT MAP had some seats on biz. Available even it was not available for revenue or even standard award. I wouldn't argue with you sir, but I'm following United for the past few week.... Almost every flight EWR-TLV
That happens because people cancel their business ticket (which happens because there are typically no penalties).
I've seen totally open seat maps and it's just people or groups that didn't select a seat.

If United had a seat to sell then they would be selling it for $$$$ in the J bucket.  When someone cancels their ticket it goes right back into inventory and when that happens with x hours of a flight, United opens it for saver awards so that it doesn't go to waste.

I wouldn't recommend that as a strategy, I'd hate to hear from people losing their mileage accounts over something stupid like that.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on July 24, 2013, 12:02:31 AM
The canceled flight tonight killed most availability on biz. class for tomorrow 4:10 pm flight. On the seat map it was 13 availability's until sometime after the tonight flight was canceled.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on July 24, 2013, 12:24:00 AM
I requested an upgrade with a 'global premier upgrade' and they told me that i am on the wait list and there is still 3 available seats in this cabin, i checked for a paid business class ticket and there is no availability, my flight is tomorrow 4:10, how are the chances for the upgrade to go through?
now open for saver award.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on July 24, 2013, 12:32:20 AM
now open for saver award.
Notice how there are now 5 seats in J open on the map for that flight when it was showing 3 before?

And how the fare bucket is now J2? That's because 2 people just cancelled their J tickets. And it's close enough to the flight that UAs revenue dept doesn't think they're going to sell them-so they're open for saver awards.

But those 3 open seats have nothing to do with availability-those are sold seats that simply haven't been assigned until they checkin. If they were actually open seats then it would be J5 right now and not J2.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on July 24, 2013, 12:35:59 AM
That happens because people cancel their business ticket (which happens because there are typically no penalties).
I've seen totally open seat maps and it's just people or groups that didn't select a seat.

If United had a seat to sell then they would be selling it for $$$$ in the J bucket.  When someone cancels their ticket it goes right back into inventory and when that happens with x hours of a flight, United opens it for saver awards so that it doesn't go to waste.

I wouldn't recommend that as a strategy, I'd hate to hear from people losing their mileage accounts over something stupid like that.
what strategy do u mean? buying a J ticket, and cancel the day of the flight, hoping it should open up for saver award? if u mean this then this is the answer, someone asked this ? in a thread a few days ago and no one answered.... though doinf it with 2 different names shouldnt be a problem....
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on July 24, 2013, 12:37:39 AM
though doinf it with 2 different names shouldnt be a problem....
They're far more sophisticated then that. Don't come crying when you're blacklisted.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on July 24, 2013, 12:41:45 AM
Notice how there are now 5 seats in J open on the map for that flight when it was showing 3 before?

And how the fare bucket is now J2? That's because 2 people just cancelled their J tickets. And it's close enough to the flight that UAs revenue dept doesn't think they're going to sell them-so they're open for saver awards.

But those 3 open seats have nothing to do with availability-those are sold seats that simply haven't been assigned until they checkin. If they were actually open seats then it would be J5 right now and not J2.
i hear what ur saying, but in my opinion its not SO simple..... im doing this sigye the past few weeks, and made a few tickets for ppl..... bh, thanks dan. after all everything is ur credit...
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on July 24, 2013, 12:44:36 AM
They're far more sophisticated then that. Don't come crying when you're blacklisted.
agree. i never did such a thing, but someone, i think in the United award thread was asking this ? about 5 times, and no one know what to answer him so here is his answer.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on July 24, 2013, 12:52:08 AM
Example on the 10:45 pm flight tomorrow night was the seat map showing today avail. 4 seats in J, but was NOT Avail. for revenue, i figured out the last few weeks when they usually open up, and when it came the time, it got avail. for saver award, i got one for my brother, someone else was also lucky.... and now the seat map show's 2 in J. what do you say to this story? even i cant figure out their system, its very complicated....
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on July 24, 2013, 12:54:03 AM
If you can't understand exactly what is happening after my explanation I can't help you.
It's exactly that simple.  They're not blocking J inventory for giggles.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on July 24, 2013, 12:56:53 AM
If you can't understand exactly what is happening after my explanation I can't help you.
It's exactly that simple.  They're not blocking J inventory for giggles.
did you see my example?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on July 24, 2013, 12:58:53 AM
by now i even have the timings when they open up all the saver awards, would i be able to talk to you i would tell it to you... but dont wonna let out my secrets here in public...
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on July 24, 2013, 01:05:56 AM
did you see my example?
I just proved to you that the current release of the 2 saver awards for the flight today had nothing to do with the 3 empty seats you saw and everything to do with there now being 5 empty seats, meaning that 2 people cancelled. Simple as that, don't try to complicate it.

Seat maps do not indicate anything besides people who have booked tickets and not assigned seats.  Everything you need to know can be found on UA.com>Expert Mode>Fare Class buckets.

It's no secret that UA opens saver seats within 24 hours of flights as long as there is inventory there.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on July 24, 2013, 01:14:49 AM
FTR, there are a myriad of reasons why seats would be empty when they are sold.

They can be bought by people who want to sit together and therefore didn't select seats, they can be part of a travel agent or group booking where they're not assigned.
People can also skip the seat selection when booking their own tickets and won't be assigned until they checkin.

I was on a flight recently where the seat map was wide open an hour out and the flight ended up nearly full.
Seat maps can also show full when there are lots of seats blocked for bulkhead, pilots, or just weight and balance issues.

The bottom line is seat maps are cute but they prove zilch.

There's no connection between a seat map and predicting X, XN, I, IN, or R availability when J or Y is sold out.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on July 24, 2013, 01:19:49 AM
I just proved to you that the current release of the 2 saver awards for the flight today had nothing to do with the 3 empty seats you saw and everything to do with there now being 5 empty seats, meaning that 2 people cancelled. Simple as that, don't try to complicate it.

Seat maps do not indicate anything besides people who have booked tickets and not assigned seats.  Everything you need to know can be found on UA.com>Expert Mode>Fare Class buckets.

It's no secret that UA opens saver seats within 24 hours of flights as long as there is inventory there.
yeh... but the secret is when they open up just 2 awards u wonna be the first to know that... so by knowing exactly when they open up u can grab them, neither of the openings today lasted more then a few min EF didnt even have a chanse to notify for it. (btw as i see EF runs about 20 min. late from when United actual opens up saver award) to the end please dont argue again..... im sitting hours and hours to figure out United, im not that silly... they are not so simple, look over my example with the 10:45 pm flight tomorrow night... HYATT does not give free internet... its very hard to type on my phone .... any wife is already asking if im on vacation with dan or with her....
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on July 24, 2013, 01:23:14 AM
Wow, you're sitting hours and hours to figure out United?
I've been doing this for 10 years, every day.

They don't magically open up 2 saver seats.  If there are revenue seats within 24 hours they will become saver awards.  This isn't a game United plays to deprive themselves of revenue by zeroing out inventory and then magically adding it.  If someone cancels their seat then it goes right back into the revenue fare bucket and if it's within 24 hours of the flight it probably goes into X/I saver award inventory.  As I said this happens a lot in business because seats are refundable.

Nothing will alert you to when someone is going to cancel and someone else will book it up. EF isn't a live feed. And for the last time this has nothing to do with the silly seat map.

I'm done here.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on July 24, 2013, 01:26:37 AM
once again, it was showing 4 empty seats for a nice cuple of hours today, that was not avail for $ and all of the sudden it got avail. 2 J saver awards with out showing more seats, just the same 4 seats that was showing all day on the seat map.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on July 24, 2013, 01:29:18 AM
by the next seminar ill have to discuss this with you FTF
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on July 24, 2013, 01:32:48 AM
once again, it was showing 4 empty seats for a nice cuple of hours today, that was not avail for $ and all of the sudden it got avail. 2 J saver awards with out showing more seats, just the same 4 seats that was showing all day on the seat map.
That proves nothing. Those pax could have checked in then to get their seats and 2 other pax could have cancelled.

My earlier example of the 3 seats/5 seats on the other hand for the 410 flight demonstrates exactly what I'm trying to explain to you but you're not willing to listen.

There is a reason there are a quarter million results on FT that "seat maps are not an indicator of flight load."

by the next seminar ill have to discuss this with you FTF
I'll pass, but thanks.
Go back to your vacation and stop trying to prove what you'll never possibly prove.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MEIR613 on July 24, 2013, 01:33:31 AM
once again, it was showing 4 empty seats for a nice cuple of hours today, that was not avail for $ and all of the sudden it got avail. 2 J saver awards with out showing more seats, just the same 4 seats that was showing all day on the seat map.
What don't you get. The 4 seats had nothing to do with it. They are empty because some pax didn't choose their seats. The 2 saver seats became available because they are better off putting them in award seats and someone taking them, then putting them out for money and going empty.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on July 24, 2013, 01:35:14 AM
Have you been reading ANYTHING that Dan's been writing about the absolute irrelevance of seat maps, or do you just like to listen to yourself talk? They mean nothing. Period.

ETA: oops, seems like I got beat to the punch.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on July 24, 2013, 01:55:01 AM
What don't you get. The 4 seats had nothing to do with it. They are empty because some pax didn't choose their seats. The 2 saver seats became available because they are better off putting them in award seats and someone taking them, then putting them out for money and going empty.
ive got the seat that was showing avail. Hours before on the seat map, and were not avail. for $, are you saying that pinkt the guys who haven't chose their seat they canceled out....
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on July 24, 2013, 01:59:25 AM
ive got the seat that was showing avail. Hours before on the seat map, and were not avail. for $, are you saying that pinkt the guys who haven't chose their seat they canceled out....
That's the worst logic I've ever heard. Seriously.
Can someone else please take over for me here.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on July 24, 2013, 02:09:28 AM
That's the worst logic I've ever heard. Seriously.
Can someone else please take over for me here.
would u be right, it would show up 6 seats when it opened up the 10:45 pm flight, 4 that were for the unassigned seats, and another 2 what ur saying that just got available because 2 ppl canceled. However I've bin booking several biz. Class for ppl EWR-TLV based on my opinions how United is opening up and made nice $, so I wouldn't change my mind I'm making $ and you guys think whatever you think is right and שלום על ישראל.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on July 24, 2013, 08:58:56 AM
That's the worst logic I've ever heard. Seriously.
Can someone else please take over for me here.

Frankly, I think you deserve kudos just for understanding what he's writing. I still can't make it out.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: A3 on July 24, 2013, 11:26:50 AM

That proves nothing. Those pax could have checked in then to get their seats and 2 other pax could have cancelled.

My earlier example of the 3 seats/5 seats on the other hand for the 410 flight demonstrates exactly what I'm trying to explain to you but you're not willing to listen.

There is a reason there are a quarter million results on FT that "seat maps are not an indicator of flight load."
I'll pass, but thanks.
Go back to your vacation and stop trying to prove what you'll never possibly prove.


Another example: a couple months ago my wife was flying UA FLL-EWR  with a one year old and two year old. So had to buy two seats. The seat for the two year old about 15 rows behind her. Ok this easily could have been settled in the airport, but she wanted it settled before. Online it was showing no other seats available, on the phone they couldn't help me out either. I sent a short tweet to AU about the situation. 10 minutes later they had seats next to each other.
Any other way to explain this.


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Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on July 24, 2013, 11:30:03 AM
Showing no seats available on the seat map?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: A3 on July 24, 2013, 11:48:56 AM

Showing no seats available on the seat map?

Correct.


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Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: SearchGuy on July 24, 2013, 12:09:53 PM
Correct.


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Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on July 24, 2013, 12:14:18 PM
Correct.


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That also means nothing. Those seats may have just been blocked off prior to check in.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Moishebatchy on August 02, 2013, 03:02:10 AM
Just caught up with this thread. Can't believe I missed being part of such a fun fight. >:(

They're far more sophisticated then that. Don't come crying when you're blacklisted.

+1

UA has a department called Revenue Integrity. As a travel agent, I've run afoul of them in the past, and let me tell you: they're veeeeery good at connecting the dots.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ganizzy on August 04, 2013, 04:00:50 AM
has anyone done plan B recently?

spoke to a few reps and no go.

how close to the flight can i do this (if a rep will finally let me) - a few days before?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: lechaim2life on August 11, 2013, 01:05:05 PM
Can you do Plan B if there is only Standard Coach Availability?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ganizzy on August 15, 2013, 11:30:52 PM
has anyone done plan B recently?

spoke to a few reps and no go.

how close to the flight can i do this (if a rep will finally let me) - a few days before?

tried again today and the first rep knew exactly what i was talking about.
it took a while bec she said that she only does it once a year (bec most people dont know about it)
and bec they have to do each part seperately
but after about 45 minutes, it says I class requested.
she told me that the miles will only be pulled if the seats are cleared

i fly this thursday the 22nd - with 5 passengers. hope it works
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on August 15, 2013, 11:56:15 PM
It's not set up correctly
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on August 19, 2013, 11:17:52 AM
I have a ticket booked in Coach Saver (X class) coming up.  I called and asked them to waitlist us for first, which was unavailable.  It now says "I class requested" and the miles have been deducted from my account.  Is it set up correctly?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on August 19, 2013, 12:21:04 PM
I have a ticket booked in Coach Saver (X class) coming up.  I called and asked them to waitlist us for first, which was unavailable.  It now says "I class requested" and the miles have been deducted from my account.  Is it set up correctly?
Yes. Now you are a displaced BF passenger.  Follow through as I wrote on the main site.
BTW when did they deduct the miles? Recently?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on August 19, 2013, 12:29:20 PM
Yes. Now you are a displaced BF passenger.  Follow through as I wrote on the main site.
BTW when did they deduct the miles? Recently?

Funny you should ask. I set it up this pas Thu.  Instead of deducting 40k they added 60k.  Yesterday they removed the mistaken 60k and the actual 40k.  Why?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on August 19, 2013, 12:39:16 PM
One more question about Plan B not covered on the main site:

Our flights are from GIG-IAH-PHL-LAX. PHL-LAX is booked on US Airways in O (while GIG-IAH-PHL is waitlisted in I).  If the upgrades do not clear would United refund the 20k mile difference after flying in O to LA?  On the main site it says the opposite is true (short leg in I, long leg in X when long leg is 2nd), but what about if short leg is 2nd?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on August 19, 2013, 01:06:52 PM
There was nothing direct IAH-LAX/SNA/ONT/BUR/PSP?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on August 19, 2013, 01:14:03 PM
There was nothing direct IAH-LAX/SNA/ONT/BUR/PSP?

There is, but we're stopping in PHL for shabbos to visit my in laws.

That makes me think of another question.  US Air has a flight with O availability at 6:15am (the flight from GIG gets in a 5:20am).  United's flight is at 7:18am but there's no I availability now.  Is it crazy to try to clear customs and recheck bags on US air within 55 minutes just to be confirmed in O or should I just wait and hope for the best on United?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AsherO on August 19, 2013, 07:05:04 PM
There is, but we're stopping in PHL for shabbos to visit my in laws.

That makes me think of another question.  US Air has a flight with O availability at 6:15am (the flight from GIG gets in a 5:20am).  United's flight is at 7:18am but there's no I availability now.  Is it crazy to try to clear customs and recheck bags on US air within 55 minutes just to be confirmed in O or should I just wait and hope for the best on United?

Get confirmed in O, and if you miss your connection they'll accommodate you in O on a different flight, no?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on August 19, 2013, 07:37:43 PM
Get confirmed in O, and if you miss your connection they'll accommodate you in O on a different flight, no?
Yes, but not sure about different types airline.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MenachemS on September 12, 2013, 06:11:03 AM
Hi all, I called to get waitlisted from economy to business, but I booked a partner flight (star alliance) with United points, the rep told me that they don't wait list on partner flights.

My question is should I bother with HUCA?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Moishebatchy on September 12, 2013, 07:11:18 AM
Hi all, I called to get waitlisted from economy to business, but I booked a partner flight (star alliance) with United points, the rep told me that they don't wait list on partner flights.

My question is should I bother with HUCA?

No.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: sky121 on September 12, 2013, 04:56:42 PM
I've done it for others but never used it myself so I'm wondering...
with Plan B are you only upgraded within 24 hours of the flight or might you get confirmed Business a few weeks before as well?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: yare on September 12, 2013, 06:14:47 PM
I've done it for others but never used it myself so I'm wondering...
with Plan B are you only upgraded within 24 hours of the flight or might you get confirmed Business a few weeks before as well?
get confirmed before if they open something up. 
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: sky121 on September 12, 2013, 06:20:43 PM
get confirmed before if they open something up.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ganizzy on September 12, 2013, 07:10:09 PM
tried again today and the first rep knew exactly what i was talking about.
it took a while bec she said that she only does it once a year (bec most people dont know about it)
and bec they have to do each part seperately
but after about 45 minutes, it says I class requested.
she told me that the miles will only be pulled if the seats are cleared

i fly this thursday the 22nd - with 5 passengers. hope it works

the I class request dropped off when it hit 24 hours before the flight and i got some type of email about being on  the waitlist at the airport.
did this happen bec it was set up incorrectly?

in any case, United cancelled the flight and rebooked us on Air New Zealand where i got to use the sky couch for my kids
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: sky121 on September 12, 2013, 07:22:57 PM
I have to call back up soon anyways to add on a flight but my current Plan B reservation has the "A modification has been made to your flight.... please call to have your ticket reissued" message.  I only added the Plan B on after making the original Coach reservation. I see it says I'm confirmed in coach and requested for I class. Does that message always show for Plan B or did they not ticket it all the way?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on September 12, 2013, 07:36:02 PM
I have to call back up soon anyways to add on a flight but my current Plan B reservation has the "A modification has been made to your flight.... please call to have your ticket reissued" message.  I only added the Plan B on after making the original Coach reservation. I see it says I'm confirmed in coach and requested for I class. Does that message always show for Plan B or did they not ticket it all the way?

Something isn't right. PUTPAC.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: sky121 on September 12, 2013, 07:41:42 PM
Something isn't right. PUTPAC.

On my way. Actually already had to HUCA. They're making me trouble adding on a flight after I return home.  Fun fun.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on September 12, 2013, 10:29:42 PM
Plan B only works until 24 hours before the flight. Within 24 hours you need to be wait listed at the airport.

It is set up correctly if it says "I class requested" on your reservation. If it says to call chances are it's not fully reticketed correctly so PUTPAC.

AFAIK Plan B only works on United metal.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: sky121 on September 12, 2013, 10:50:03 PM
Is this Plan B done right? Looks different than the examples Dan has posted.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on September 12, 2013, 11:04:23 PM
Yup, looks good to me (at least that's exactly how mine looks).
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on September 12, 2013, 11:08:30 PM
Is this Plan B done right? Looks different than the examples Dan has posted.
Did they deduct the 120?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: sky121 on September 12, 2013, 11:12:26 PM
Did they deduct the 120?

They did. And it showed on the receipt. Then I added a segment. And now it says 80k. Even though the 120 is still gone.

Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Million Miler on September 29, 2013, 08:55:10 AM
Would it be possible to do plan b when booking an award ticket thru ana
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Ergel on September 29, 2013, 09:18:06 AM
Would it be possible to do plan b when booking an award ticket thru ana
Negative
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: nocknock on October 15, 2013, 12:15:46 AM
Is this Plan B done right? Looks different than the examples Dan has posted.
I have the same image but they didn't deduct the miles. Anything wrong?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on October 15, 2013, 12:23:36 AM
I have the same image but they didn't deduct the miles. Anything wrong?
If they didn't deduct the miles you're not set up right.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: yosele on October 16, 2013, 02:37:13 PM
If they didn't deduct the miles you're not set up right.
If they deduct the miles after being on a waitlist will it help?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on October 16, 2013, 02:44:51 PM
Chances are it's set up correctly if they deducted the miles.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: nocknock on October 17, 2013, 08:03:53 PM
Is this Plan B done right? Looks different than the examples Dan has posted.
Did you get upgraded (with this image)?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: gsr7615 on October 17, 2013, 08:34:54 PM
Just booked 2 seats NYC- PEK on saver award. Called up to do the plan b business
wait list, they deducted the 60k from my acct and said that i am waitlisted, but in my reservation online i don't see anything that i am
waitlisted is that ok?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: yare on October 18, 2013, 03:59:36 AM
Just booked 2 seats NYC- PEK on saver award. Called up to do the plan b business
wait list, they deducted the 60k from my acct and said that i am waitlisted, but in my reservation online i don't see anything that i am
waitlisted is that ok?
no, it should say in your online res next to the flight bucket that you're waitlisted for business
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on November 06, 2013, 05:53:12 PM
So it's 26 hours will departure and we're still not cleared in I class. Any tips on how to get top priority at the airport when checking in tomorrow? I know about being a "displaced first" passenger, but a few CSRs I spoke to said it's not likely Plan B tickets will get upgraded at the airport. Now there are 9 seats showing available in J class. What are my chances the upgrade will work?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: myb821 on November 06, 2013, 05:55:45 PM
So it's 26 hours will departure and we're still not cleared in I class. Any tips on how to get top priority at the airport when checking in tomorrow? I know about being a "displaced first" passenger, but a few CSRs I spoke to said it's not likely Plan B tickets will get upgraded at the airport. Now there are 9 seats showing available in J class. What are my chances the upgrade will work?
They are wrong
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on November 06, 2013, 06:00:52 PM
They are wrong
Any lines I should point out to them in their handbook?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on November 06, 2013, 06:32:25 PM
GG onestandby lines 85-89.

http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/23569
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on November 06, 2013, 06:48:51 PM
GG onestandby lines 85-89.

http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/23569
Muito obrigado!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on November 06, 2013, 06:53:09 PM
Muito obrigado!
De nada.
Boa viagem e boa sorte!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on November 06, 2013, 08:16:45 PM
Now officially been moved to R class. Still hoping...
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on November 07, 2013, 10:53:46 AM
Update: I class became available. After HUCAing about 10 times now, I finally got someone to confirm us in I I'm including seat assignments. She made the change even though it's 10 hours till departure. Yay for Plan B!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on November 07, 2013, 10:59:32 AM
Congrats!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: nocknock on November 14, 2013, 08:33:40 PM
Please help me with advice. I have tickets for Sunday EWR-TLV with Plan B and I'm not upgraded yet. Anything from my side what I could do?

Thanks 4 your help!!!!!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: nocknock on November 16, 2013, 10:30:46 PM
What means R class requested?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on November 16, 2013, 10:33:42 PM
What means R class requested?
For me it meant it was within 24 hours of the flight and we didn't get automatically confirmed. A few calls to United got an agent to confirm us manually.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: nocknock on November 16, 2013, 10:37:26 PM
For me it meant it was within 24 hours of the flight and we didn't get automatically confirmed. A few calls to United got an agent to confirm us manually.
But business class is completely full. Is there anything I could do?

But for my ticket (what was in a sepreate reservation) the charged me 75 dollars to confirm the upgrade should been like this?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on November 16, 2013, 10:40:28 PM
Not sure. For me there was availability the day of, we just weren't upgraded automatically.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: nocknock on November 17, 2013, 03:39:03 PM
At the end flying Business!!!!!! (Hope on the way back it wont be so hard)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on November 17, 2013, 03:44:32 PM
At the end flying Business!!!!!! (Hope on the way back it wont be so hard)
Congrats!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: yosele on November 17, 2013, 05:22:45 PM
At the end flying Business!!!!!! (Hope on the way back it wont be so hard)
I think you should credit where credit is due.........
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: thaber on November 18, 2013, 10:20:47 PM
I'm not sure if this is technically a Plan B, but I had trouble finding the right thread (feel free to point me the right way).

I booked LAX-TLV in Business class for 300K miles because there's no saver availability, and i don't expect any (Dec 31 - Jan 4)
If it were too open up, would I be able to change to the cheaper fare? I'm still within 24 hours so could cancel and rebook if I should have done it fifferently.
And a related question - when I tried to add an OJ the flights I needed for the LAX-TLV would come up as Mixed Cabin, wasn't worth downgrading to economy for the OJ, but why was that? and could I add it now?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: thaber on November 19, 2013, 09:36:46 PM
Any help would be very appreciated
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on November 19, 2013, 09:38:41 PM
I've never heard of doing what you described.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Ergel on November 19, 2013, 10:37:36 PM
To rebook you would have to pay a change fee (I believe $150/pax) if saver opened up.
Don't understand your second Q
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: thaber on November 20, 2013, 12:44:48 AM
To rebook you would have to pay a change fee (I believe $150/pax) if saver opened up.
Don't understand your second Q
Thanks - I may have the open jaw thing wrong, but I thought i could book a third flight, say LAX-JFK, and sneak it in on this reservation at no extra cost. When I put that itinerary in on UA it for some reason didn't give me the same options on the first two flights.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on December 02, 2013, 12:01:52 AM
Do all segments need to be on UA metal to qualify for Plan B?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on December 02, 2013, 01:27:47 AM
Do all segments need to be on UA metal to qualify for Plan B?
No. I booked with 2 legs on UA Plan B. The 3rd leg was on US metal and there was O availability so they just booked me in it.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on December 10, 2013, 06:58:30 PM
Can I book one leg of a otherwise all business multi-destination itinerary in coach online and call to have it waitlisted for J or the entire booking needs to be done over the phone?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on December 10, 2013, 07:12:21 PM
It's based on one way. You can do Plan B on only one way, including a free stop if you have one, or both ways. Does this answer your question?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on December 10, 2013, 07:20:13 PM
It's based on one way. You can do Plan B on only one way, including a free stop if you have one, or both ways. Does this answer your question?
No. I want to know if I need to book the entire itin on the phone in order to get it waitlisted or I can book the flight I am looking to get upgraded in coach online and then call in afterwards to get it waitlisted?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on December 10, 2013, 07:50:08 PM
No. I want to know if I need to book the entire itin on the phone in order to get it waitlisted or I can book the flight I am looking to get upgraded in coach online and then call in afterwards to get it waitlisted?
You can book online then call to get wait listed. That's what I did, but it did take some HUCA to find someone who knew how to do it.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on December 10, 2013, 07:53:50 PM
You can book online then call to get wait listed. That's what I did, but it did take some HUCA to find someone who knew how to do it.
Perfect, that answers my question. Thanks :)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on December 10, 2013, 07:54:58 PM
Perfect, that answers my question. Thanks :)
Glad I could help. Good luck!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on December 10, 2013, 08:00:03 PM
If the flight I am waitlisting for currently has R space available, then the upgrade should clear immediately no?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on December 10, 2013, 09:00:49 PM
When you wait list you should be in I class. If R is available they should just upgraded you for that segment and waitlist the other in R. However, IME if that's the case most of the time you can just book in Businsss/First straight from the website.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: myb821 on December 10, 2013, 09:01:57 PM
If the flight I am waitlisting for currently has R space available, then the upgrade should clear immediately no?
no that is upgrade space not saver award space
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on December 10, 2013, 09:04:12 PM
no that is upgrade space not saver award space
So they need to open up I space for the upgrade to clear?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on December 10, 2013, 09:10:48 PM
For me, when Plan B was set correctly it showed I was waitlisted in I. It only changed to R within 24 hours of the flight.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on December 10, 2013, 09:12:56 PM
For me, when Plan B was set correctly it showed I was waitlisted in I. It only changed to R within 24 hours of the flight.
So you were waitlisted for I and when your upgrade cleared, you were booked into R?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on December 10, 2013, 09:19:33 PM
Not really, we were not upgraded automatically, so it switched to R. I then called up and they saw seats in R available so they switched us over the phone.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on December 10, 2013, 09:23:00 PM
Not really, we were not upgraded automatically, so it switched to R. I then called up and they saw seats in R available so they switched us over the phone.
So that would seem to answer my question about the upgrade clearing right away if R space if available at the time of booking/waitlisting?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on December 10, 2013, 09:34:57 PM
I believe so.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on December 10, 2013, 09:39:47 PM
Seems so to me too. Can anyone else confirm?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on December 12, 2013, 12:21:59 AM
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/38212
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Moshe123 on December 12, 2013, 12:26:17 AM
This article is so well-written! So clear!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on December 12, 2013, 12:26:47 AM
This article is so well-written! So clear!
Thanks, appreciate it.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Moshe123 on December 12, 2013, 12:28:47 AM
Thanks, appreciate it.

Spoonfeeding... Who knows? It might become much harder now...
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on December 12, 2013, 12:32:17 AM
I don't think it will become much harder.

First of all it requires X/XN space which isn't all that common either on the TLV route.
Second it requires HUCA, which most people don't have patience for.

It's strategically useful, but I don't see it becoming commonplace.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jmansour on December 12, 2013, 12:36:59 AM
Thanks, appreciate it.

Really was an awesome article, i think its too much work for most people anyway
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: sky121 on December 12, 2013, 12:39:10 AM
Hope so. I've used it only twice but it's a great tip :)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: philbenjoe on December 12, 2013, 12:54:17 AM
thanx. very well written. it does take time and patience to do and agree with you that it will not be popular.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on December 12, 2013, 03:33:06 AM
Dan, awesome article! :)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: TAVI on December 12, 2013, 10:21:19 AM
indeed, greatly explained. never tried it before, but will give it a shot now. thanks dan
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: shimbo on December 12, 2013, 11:56:33 AM
I am looking at the same day to TLV as Dan booked in the post, but I want to fly on the evening flight. There is no saver availability on the night flight, how hard or what would it cost to change it if I book the earlier one?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: shimbo on December 18, 2013, 08:36:09 PM
I booked an award following the instructions in Dan's post, its been over an hour and a half and my account has not been debited any miles and it has not been ticketed, although my credit card shows a pending charge (and I was charged the $25 booking fee even though the agent said I would not be charged).
Attached is a screenshot of what the reservation now says. How long should I wait before I call back? It also only says waitlisted for I even though I am a United cardmember and so I should get IN, although that may be fixed once it tickets.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: shimbo on December 18, 2013, 08:48:15 PM
FTR, I was just reading through the United Award ticket rules, and it seems to clearly spell out that you can do this type of wait list ticket. (I.E. if you point any agent to United's webpage they should help you with it).

Here is the text from the site:

You may redeem miles for travel in United Global FirstSM, United First®, United Business® or United BusinessFirst® , even if the space is not available. In these cases, United Economy in the same award type must be confirmed, and the front cabin will be waitlisted. For example, a Saver United First award must be confirmed in Saver United Economy to be eligible for waitlisting. If the courtesy waitlist does not clear, it will expire 24 hours before itinerary departure, and you will automatically be added to the airport upgrade standby list upon check-in. In these cases, you will be confirmed on a space-available basis by a United airport representative at the gate once the flight has closed for check-in. For United BusinessFirst and United Business travel awards, the difference in miles will be refunded when the United BusinessFirst or United Business class segment of the trip could not be confirmed. Waitlist requests may only be made over the phone with your local United Reservations office.
http://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/mileageplus/awards/travel/types.aspx (you need to expand the rules at the bottom of the page)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on December 18, 2013, 10:47:28 PM
I booked an award following the instructions in Dan's post, its been over an hour and a half and my account has not been debited any miles and it has not been ticketed, although my credit card shows a pending charge (and I was charged the $25 booking fee even though the agent said I would not be charged).
Attached is a screenshot of what the reservation now says. How long should I wait before I call back? It also only says waitlisted for I even though I am a United cardmember and so I should get IN, although that may be fixed once it tickets.
Looks correct to me.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: shimbo on December 18, 2013, 10:49:23 PM
Looks correct to me.
it is not ticketed yet
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on December 18, 2013, 10:50:11 PM
it is not ticketed yet
Weird. Not sure why.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: E on December 18, 2013, 10:57:31 PM
so recently tried this on a standard econ award to Saver Business (15K less) showed wait-listed as class I and 24 hours before fell off, when I got to airport I told the agent where to look he asked his manager who in turn asked her manager. he came over and smiled and said "you are saying the right words in the wrong context" ?? I tried arguing but as most Israelis he couldn't give a &%$* I walked away before making any problems for myself.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: shimbo on December 19, 2013, 08:14:53 AM
FTR, I was just reading through the United Award ticket rules, and it seems to clearly spell out that you can do this type of wait list ticket. (I.E. if you point any agent to United's webpage they should help you with it).

Here is the text from the site:

You may redeem miles for travel in United Global FirstSM, United First®, United Business® or United BusinessFirst® , even if the space is not available. In these cases, United Economy in the same award type must be confirmed, and the front cabin will be waitlisted. For example, a Saver United First award must be confirmed in Saver United Economy to be eligible for waitlisting. If the courtesy waitlist does not clear, it will expire 24 hours before itinerary departure, and you will automatically be added to the airport upgrade standby list upon check-in. In these cases, you will be confirmed on a space-available basis by a United airport representative at the gate once the flight has closed for check-in. For United BusinessFirst and United Business travel awards, the difference in miles will be refunded when the United BusinessFirst or United Business class segment of the trip could not be confirmed. Waitlist requests may only be made over the phone with your local United Reservations office.
http://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/mileageplus/awards/travel/types.aspx (you need to expand the rules at the bottom of the page)
It finally ticketed at 3 am, but only debited 80k from my account, even though originally it said 120k. It still says "I class requested". Do I need to cancel and start over?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on December 19, 2013, 08:41:15 AM
Probably
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: shimbo on December 19, 2013, 08:44:04 AM
Probably
OK Thanks. Here we go again :)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: shimbo on December 19, 2013, 09:06:31 AM
Any way to expedite the redeposit of the miles?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on December 19, 2013, 09:14:13 AM
If you go through the 5 step process online its instant.
Have to keep clicking the right buttons though.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: shimbo on December 19, 2013, 09:16:59 AM
If you go through the 5 step process online its instant.
Have to keep clicking the right buttons though.
I did it online, I believe I pressed the right buttons, the 80k redeposit shows up in my activity, but is not in my available balance yet.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on December 19, 2013, 09:25:46 AM
I did it online, I believe I pressed the right buttons, the 80k redeposit shows up in my activity, but is not in my available balance yet.
Log out, log back in.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: shimbo on December 19, 2013, 09:31:44 AM
Log out, log back in.
that worked, thanks
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: lifetimedeals on December 19, 2013, 02:58:01 PM
anybody know which business class is better Luftansa or Turkish?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: shimbo on December 22, 2013, 03:39:18 PM
Finally got the plan b successfully booked, but requested class only says I not IN even though I have the explorer card and used it for the booking. When I asked about it the agent didnt know what I was talking about. Is it something they can change with HUCA or if it didnt happen automatically it wont go?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on December 22, 2013, 03:44:58 PM
I is what you deserve, reread my post.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: shimbo on December 22, 2013, 03:49:35 PM
I is what you deserve, reread my post.
You write:
"That’s an incredibly valuable benefit of having the card, especially for a Plan B award as you’ll have expanded coach, business, and first class saver award space as well"
Did I misunderstand?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Red on December 22, 2013, 03:50:47 PM
You write:
"That’s an incredibly valuable benefit of having the card, especially for a Plan B award as you’ll have expanded coach, business, and first class saver award space as well"
Did I misunderstand?
Come on, it's right there.

"Then notice how IN class is requested.  I class refers to saver business class award space. IN is expanded saver business class award space for Platinums/1Ks/Global Services."
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on December 22, 2013, 03:51:12 PM
You have expanded first saver as a result of having expanded coach saver and using plan B.
But IN is only for top elites.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: shimbo on December 22, 2013, 03:55:05 PM
You have expanded first saver as a result of having expanded coach saver and using plan B.
But IN is only for top elites.
Aha, thanks.
Now is there any trick to getting a rep to allow an open-jaw on the stopover? FT makes it sound like its a simple thing that any rep will do, but I tried 5+ times and they all said it cant be done. The last one even told me that when she checked with other reps they said "we already told him it cant be done". Just have to keep trying?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: shimbo on December 22, 2013, 03:57:22 PM
And seriously, you are the man! Although I saw this thread before probably would never have tried it if not for the post on the main page.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on December 22, 2013, 03:59:59 PM
Aha, thanks.
Now is there any trick to getting a rep to allow an open-jaw on the stopover? FT makes it sound like its a simple thing that any rep will do, but I tried 5+ times and they all said it cant be done. The last one even told me that when she checked with other reps they said "we already told him it cant be done". Just have to keep trying?
Try calling another number for United.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: shimbo on December 22, 2013, 04:02:39 PM
Try calling another number for United.
Will do, thanks
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: shimbo on December 22, 2013, 04:13:00 PM
Funny thing - Itinerary is ticketed and confirmed, I got the eticket numbers, but no miles were not taken out of my account. Seems all 120k are pending the upgrade. Is that normal?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on December 22, 2013, 04:18:50 PM
Funny thing - Itinerary is ticketed and confirmed, I got the eticket numbers, but no miles were not taken out of my account. Seems all 120k are pending the upgrade. Is that normal?

Log out then log back in.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: shimbo on December 22, 2013, 04:21:57 PM
Log out then log back in.
Ah, yes. Forgot about that. Thanks for all the help
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on December 22, 2013, 04:33:57 PM
Ah, yes. Forgot about that. Thanks for all the help

Anytime.. How many HUCA did you have to do to get someone who will make the ticket?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: shimbo on December 22, 2013, 04:37:19 PM
Anytime.. How many HUCA did you have to do to get someone who will make the ticket?
I was HUCA trying to get them to do the open jaw. Tried 5-6 times none of them would do it, once I dropped the open jaw that agent booked the plan b without an issue
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on December 22, 2013, 05:07:49 PM
I was HUCA trying to get them to do the open jaw. Tried 5-6 times none of them would do it, once I dropped the open jaw that agent booked the plan b without an issue
What was the open jaw you wanted?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: shimbo on December 22, 2013, 05:10:12 PM
What was the open jaw you wanted?
land in krk and leave from waw on the stopover on the way to Tel Aviv. All the agents said you cant to the open jaw on the stopover only on the departure/destination city. Tried a couple more times with diff numbers still no luck...
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on December 22, 2013, 05:28:06 PM
Seems to be the new policy.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on December 23, 2013, 05:36:47 AM
Seems to be the new policy.

Possibly. I tried doing something similar a couple weeks ago but no one would do it. Eventually got a manager to authorize it.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on December 23, 2013, 06:32:12 AM
Possibly. I tried doing something similar a couple weeks ago but no one would do it. Eventually got a manager to authorize it.
What was the routing?
Title: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on December 23, 2013, 06:45:22 AM
What was the routing?

Tlv-ewr(open jaw)-lga-cle-ord(stopover)-mem(final)-(open jaw)-ord-lax-ewr-tlv.

All business. Then with the free same day change by 1k i had >24hrs in la and cle.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on January 05, 2014, 07:33:07 PM
The first isn't an OJ; LGA and EWR are co-terminals.

The second "OJ" is simply your return.

What was giving you the problem?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on January 06, 2014, 05:29:30 AM
The first isn't an OJ; LGA and EWR are co-terminals.

The second "OJ" is simply your return.

What was giving you the problem?

Well I wasn't going to fight about LGA & EWR I let them win that one.. The fact was that I changed by return every day for a week to the next day because I had to take care of some business and I guess they got annoyed with that.

And then the fact that I was flying back from ORD to TLV I went in the opposite direction ORD-LAX-EWR-TLV. But before that it was ORD-ABQ-LAX-EWR-TLV, in ABQ was over a 4+ hour layover that they made a fight about but then I told them I was on a intl ticket and I won that one. They noted in my reservation after that "no more changes" and a lot of representatives wouldn't change anything till I got to my 13th HUCA and they changed it.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MoGro17 on January 13, 2014, 03:32:01 PM
I just read the thread from top to bottom. Scintillating stuff especially back in July  ;) ;)

Just to clarify: I call up and ask to book a business saver ticket on a flight that only has COACH saver available. What will happen is they will charge me for business, book me in coach and make my status "business waiting" (denoted by a symbol "I").

Then I let United and their fancy computers handle it until 24 hrs before the flight. If I get the upgrade, great. If not, I go to the airport and tell them to put me at the head of the line as a "displaced business passenger".

Other than HUCA and what case-law to quote to the reps, I think that covers it, correct?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on January 13, 2014, 03:32:40 PM
I just read the thread from top to bottom. Scintillating stuff especially back in July  ;) ;)

Just to clarify: I call up and ask to book a business saver ticket on a flight that only has COACH saver available. What will happen is they will charge me for business, book me in coach and make my status "business waiting" (denoted by a symbol "I").

Then I let United and their fancy computers handle it until 24 hrs before the flight. If I get the upgrade, great. If not, I go to the airport and tell them to put me at the head of the line as a "displaced business passenger".

Other than HUCA and what case-law to quote to the reps, I think that covers it, correct?
Yup.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MoGro17 on January 13, 2014, 05:35:35 PM
Yup.
well that was easy.  ;) Now I just need to find my Staples button...
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on January 13, 2014, 05:38:35 PM
well that was easy.  ;) Now I just need to find my Staples button...
If only everyone's questions would be like yours...::) Thanks for reading first. Good luck on your trip!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MoGro17 on January 13, 2014, 05:58:47 PM
If only everyone's questions would be like yours...::) Thanks for reading first. Good luck on your trip!

Thanks!
Because you like my question so much, I got another one for you:

Does Plan B work for flights that are not operated by United? For example, I found a flight on United's website that is "operated by Tyrolean Air (Austrian Arrows)"; can those legs be booked with Plan B (via United's call center, of course) as well?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on January 13, 2014, 06:04:44 PM
Thanks!
Because you like my question so much, I got another one for you:

Does Plan B work for flights that are not operated by United? For example, I found a flight on United's website that is "operated by Tyrolean Air (Austrian Arrows)"; can those legs be booked with Plan B (via United's call center, of course) as well?
Unfortunately no, only on United metal.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MoGro17 on January 13, 2014, 09:58:30 PM
Unfortunately no, only on United metal.
Darn. Huge monkey wrench in my plans.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: gswannabe on January 14, 2014, 01:54:54 PM
I want to book lax mel in business class but its only available thru pek. Should i book the routing thru pek and wait list for the direct flight
or just do plan B for the direct flight ?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on January 14, 2014, 01:59:20 PM
I want to book lax mel in business class but its only available thru pek. Should i book the routing thru pek and wait list for the direct flight
or just do plan B for the direct flight ?
From what I hear LAX - MEL is a pretty tough market to get in business with Plan B, but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: gswannabe on January 14, 2014, 02:06:27 PM
Would booking the alternate route thru pek then wait listing for the direct flight give me a better chance ?
 
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: gswannabe on January 14, 2014, 02:07:25 PM
Is it easier to get business class from Sfo as opposed to Lax ?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on January 14, 2014, 02:08:55 PM
Would booking the alternate route thru pek then wait listing for the direct flight give me a better chance ?
You can only waitlist for a flight you're already booked on. If you book through PEK you wouldn't be able to waitlist for the direct flight. Besides, the flights through PEK are not on United metal.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on January 14, 2014, 02:09:12 PM
Is it easier to get business class from Sfo as opposed to Lax ?
Doubt it.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MoGro17 on January 14, 2014, 03:57:38 PM
another question:
Does Plan B work for flights that only have standard awards available?

Another way to ask it: If i do Plan B for standard award, will I get charged for STANDARD business award or can i specifically request for SAVER business award?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on January 14, 2014, 04:22:09 PM
another question:
Does Plan B work for flights that only have standard awards available?

Another way to ask it: If i do Plan B for standard award, will I get charged for STANDARD business award or can i specifically request for SAVER business award?
Not sure why you would do that, but you need to have saver coach available to waitlist for saver business.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MoGro17 on January 14, 2014, 05:58:53 PM
Not sure why you would do that, but you need to have saver coach available to waitlist for saver business.

You answered my question.
Like you said: saver for saver; standard for standard. Just wanted to know if I can get saver business on a flight that only offers standard biz/coach via this hack.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dudeguy on January 15, 2014, 05:16:06 PM
I tried setting up a United plan B. I called the number Dan linked to in his original article. The representative told me what I was looking to setup was a typical saver coach award travel with a wait-list for business class. I explained what I wanted to do and that I knew it would be setup right if I'd be booked in X or XN and it would say IN class requested all while paying the full business saver award mileage price. She said that that's exactly what will happen when I do a typical coach ticket with wait-list for business. So everything looks as the way Dan said it should but she claims that this is nothing special and different. Am I united plan B setup?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on January 15, 2014, 05:18:40 PM
I tried setting up a United plan B. I called the number Dan linked to in his original article. The representative told me what I was looking to setup was a typical saver coach award travel with a wait-list for business class. I explained what I wanted to do and that I knew it would be setup right if I'd be booked in X or XN and it would say IN class requested all while paying the full business saver award mileage price. She said that that's exactly what will happen when I do a typical coach ticket with wait-list for business. So everything looks as the way Dan said it should but she claims that this is nothing special and different. Am I united plan B setup?
Does it have you in X class with you I class waitlisted? If so it's set up correctly; otherwise it's not.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dudeguy on January 15, 2014, 05:22:40 PM
Thank you for your help!

Yes, I'm in X class, I class requested.

Curious then, what would it say if i booked saver coach and called in to be waitlisted?

Will I automatically be upgraded as soon as availability opens up? Or do I have to keep checking somewhere?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on January 15, 2014, 05:32:18 PM
Thank you for your help!

Yes, I'm in X class, I class requested.

Curious then, what would it say if i booked saver coach and called in to be waitlisted?

Will I automatically be upgraded as soon as availability opens up? Or do I have to keep checking somewhere?
Sounds like the same thing to me. You will be upgraded if a seat becomes available up until 24 hours before the flight. No one need to check.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dudeguy on January 15, 2014, 05:53:00 PM
So then what is the difference between normal waitlisting and united plan B? And how do you know which one you're booked on?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on January 15, 2014, 05:55:37 PM
So then what is the difference between normal waitlisting and united plan B? And how do you know which one you're booked on?
Not sure, but I know what Plan B is and that it's not an official term.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dudeguy on January 15, 2014, 05:59:02 PM
Not sure, but I know what Plan B is and that it's not an official term.

Okay. Thank you.

Does anyone know if there really is a difference between typical waitlisting and united plan b? How will I know for sure which of the two I'm booked on?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on January 15, 2014, 05:59:53 PM
Am I united plan B setup?
No, you're merely waitlisted.
Plan B allows you to be a displaced business passenger at the airport. You will not.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on January 15, 2014, 06:05:36 PM
If you read my Plan B post the internal reference code is listed.

The process is also described on United.com: http://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/mileageplus/awards/travel/types.aspx
"You may redeem miles for travel in United Global FirstSM, United First®, United Business® or United BusinessFirst® , even if the space is not available. In these cases, United Economy in the same award type must be confirmed, and the front cabin will be waitlisted. For example, a Saver United First award must be confirmed in Saver United Economy to be eligible for waitlisting. If the courtesy waitlist does not clear, it will expire 24 hours before itinerary departure, and you will automatically be added to the airport upgrade standby list upon check-in. In these cases, you will be confirmed on a space-available basis by a United airport representative at the gate once the flight has closed for check-in. For United BusinessFirst and United Business travel awards, the difference in miles will be refunded when the United BusinessFirst or United Business class segment of the trip could not be confirmed. Waitlist requests may only be made over the phone with your local United Reservations office."
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dudeguy on January 15, 2014, 06:16:20 PM
If you read my Plan B post the internal reference code is listed.

The process is also described on United.com: http://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/mileageplus/awards/travel/types.aspx
"You may redeem miles for travel in United Global FirstSM, United First®, United Business® or United BusinessFirst® , even if the space is not available. In these cases, United Economy in the same award type must be confirmed, and the front cabin will be waitlisted. For example, a Saver United First award must be confirmed in Saver United Economy to be eligible for waitlisting. If the courtesy waitlist does not clear, it will expire 24 hours before itinerary departure, and you will automatically be added to the airport upgrade standby list upon check-in. In these cases, you will be confirmed on a space-available basis by a United airport representative at the gate once the flight has closed for check-in. For United BusinessFirst and United Business travel awards, the difference in miles will be refunded when the United BusinessFirst or United Business class segment of the trip could not be confirmed. Waitlist requests may only be made over the phone with your local United Reservations office."

I read the post. My internal rate codes match what you say I should be in. Im booked in X and I requested. I also see the full business fare was charged. But the lady said this is a regular waitlist and nothing different than the typical.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on January 15, 2014, 06:26:53 PM
As long as you're charged business you're good to go.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dudeguy on January 15, 2014, 06:31:37 PM
As long as you're charged business you're good to go.

Nice!

Although the lady says that I'll always be charged the full business fare when I waitlist...whatever.

Thank you Dan!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on January 15, 2014, 06:46:51 PM
DROPR
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on January 15, 2014, 06:48:09 PM

DROPR

???
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dudeguy on January 15, 2014, 06:50:48 PM
DROPR

? Never heard that one before?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on January 15, 2014, 06:59:28 PM
I know it. Don't rely of Phone reps. Yay me
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on January 15, 2014, 07:01:49 PM
That's one of the most obscure acronyms I've seen in a while.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dudeguy on January 15, 2014, 07:12:05 PM
Wow!! woulda never guessed.

Thanks one and all for your help on this!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: miles on January 21, 2014, 10:44:03 PM
the first rep i got today on the phone did know what i need, the phone call was over an hour he got some issues to issue the ticket he told he gets an error that the price is not entered but he see the price there finally he got it done they debited the account 117k instead of 117.5k and he also entered o class requested before he issued the ticket, i ask him when he did this last time he told me over an year ago, he told me only old CO agents know bout this 
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: miles on January 22, 2014, 12:10:13 PM
the first rep i got today on the phone did know what i need, the phone call was over an hour he got some issues to issue the ticket he told he gets an error that the price is not entered but he see the price there finally he got it done they debited the account 117k instead of 117.5k and he also entered o class requested before he issued the ticket, i ask him when he did this last time he told me over an year ago, he told me only old CO agents know bout this
Is there any chance to get the O seat, only one first class left to sell or I will be able to get I claas instead of O class ?

p.s. I booked on the flight 5 tickets in O class there was 1 more but till we decide to book the 6th its dissapeard
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dudeguy on January 22, 2014, 03:00:21 PM
I booked a United plan B and now there is availibilty in business. The agent is telling me it's $100 to confirm the upgrade. Does that make sense? I didn't think there was a charge to get the upgrade...
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on January 22, 2014, 03:02:37 PM
HUCA.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dudeguy on January 22, 2014, 03:10:18 PM
I did that. The agent started telling me that she sees I spoke with another agent who told me the same thing  :P. It seems that although in my account on united.com it says I was debited 100k for the roundtrip my account still has the 20k difference of business and coach. What do I say when they tell me either you were simply waitlisted or booked a coach ticket and now you need to pay the $100 fee?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: avremie on January 22, 2014, 04:01:38 PM
Has anyone mastered the system why sometimes I only see LH or only TK
Also has is Austrian business? Lie flat?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on January 22, 2014, 04:02:52 PM
Has anyone mastered the system why sometimes I only see LH or only TK
Not sure what you're talking about exactly, but it seems like availability.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: avremie on January 22, 2014, 04:04:11 PM
Not sure what you're talking about exactly, but it seems like availability.
recently I was looking JFK to tlv and only showing LH
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dudeguy on January 22, 2014, 04:53:07 PM
Just to let the oilam know...I got a representative to do the upgrade. the agent didn't charge the $100 change fee "because of the misinformation"
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on January 22, 2014, 05:10:14 PM
Just to let the oilam know...I got a representative to do the upgrade. the agent didn't charge the $100 change fee "because of the misinformation"
...The benefits of HUCA...
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Million Miler on January 23, 2014, 05:47:25 AM
Does anyone have experience with plan b going from tlv to ewr?  Do the Israeli Ua reps know how to put the customer in PR1 status
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: sillypainter on January 24, 2014, 10:45:38 AM
Can anybody please explain to me what the difference is between doing PLAN B, and just the regular booking economy, call up to wait list for upgrade?

What I mean to ask...I have a booking on EWR-FRA in economy, and I see like 35 seats available in biz, UA will definitely release more seats closer to the flight, will I get business automatically when they release it or I need to do something.

My problem is that I booked my itinerary online already, so I don't want to cancel and wait for it to be put back in inventory, and then call for plan B. I want to just upgrade the economy leg.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on January 24, 2014, 10:51:52 AM
First of all you'll pay the post-02/01 rate when you clear.
Second you don't get PR-1.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: sillypainter on January 24, 2014, 11:45:59 AM
First of all you'll pay the post-02/01 rate when you clear.
Second you don't get PR-1.

Ok, thanks. So it's basically the PR-1 status that you gain and of course the reprice now with the devaluation, which I didn't even think about, so I am glad I asked....

So in other words (put the reprice post devaluation in the side for a moment). If somebody sees after Feb. 1 like 35 biz open seats on a UA flight, and they are sure a seat will open up, it doesn't pay to go through the hassle of Plan B, because of the HUCA'ng involved....
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on January 24, 2014, 12:41:25 PM
So in other words (put the reprice post devaluation in the side for a moment). If somebody sees after Feb. 1 like 35 biz open seats on a UA flight, and they are sure a seat will open up, it doesn't pay to go through the hassle of Plan B, because of the HUCA'ng involved....
-1,000
PR1 is how the majority clear. 35 seats empty can fill up in a week.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: miles on January 24, 2014, 12:45:35 PM
-1,000
PR1 is how the majority clear. 35 seats empty can fill up in a week.
if i dont clear to O can i get I class
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Ergel on January 24, 2014, 01:41:31 PM
Are you in the award booking service business?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on January 25, 2014, 11:59:47 PM
haha
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: aradisc on January 26, 2014, 10:13:02 AM
Hi! First time/long time, etc...

I was wondering what my chances are for a Plan B booking on a route that I do not see business saver availability for the entire bookable window (1-330 days). Are there some routes on which United never releases business saver space ever? Or does it just get gobbled up immediately when available by "Expert Flyers" (Ex. IAD-DXB)   I'm trying to figure this out without an expertflyer subscription.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jk2 on January 28, 2014, 01:33:25 PM
Can I request a PR-1 status by calling United or only airport agent (in 24 hour mark) can do it? The thing is - we are wait listed on domestic flight which is immediately after our TATL flight (on *A partner from Europe). There will be only 1.5 - 2 hours connection time, so I think that all seats will be gone. In the airport in Europe we are flying out (VIE)  there is no United presence.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on January 28, 2014, 01:48:43 PM
Airport only.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MoGro17 on January 28, 2014, 04:32:00 PM
I'm trying to do a Plan B right now for a United flight from Zurich to EWR in June.
After a few HUCAs, I got a woman, Clara, who said she knows what to do. She then proceeded to book us on the wrong date because its the nearest date with Saver business availability and then instructed me to call back and change it to the proper dates with the "XN Class (IN class requested)". I thought it was the wrong thing to do but she insisted.

I received the ticket and called the P1K line to make the change to the right dates and the guy, John, said she did the wrong thing and that he will cancel and rebook the ticket on the correct dates.
He said I should get the econ ticket and waitlist for business. I told him that I DO NOT want to do that so he put me on hold to check the CORE system again.

Still waiting on hold.

#PlanBinprogress
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MoGro17 on January 28, 2014, 04:33:02 PM
updates to follow.

any talking points/pointers appreciated.

#PlanBinprogress
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MoGro17 on January 28, 2014, 04:46:40 PM
Ok so John confirmed that what she did was wrong and he said that there is absolutely no way to set up a Business-level debited Econ ticket. I have to book the Saver Econ ticket and keep looking in the future to see if saver business open up.

#PlanBinprogress
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MoGro17 on January 28, 2014, 04:48:36 PM
Should I just cancel the whole flight and start from scratch or book the Saver Econ on the correct day and go from there?

#PlanBinprogress
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on January 28, 2014, 04:59:33 PM
Should I just cancel the whole flight and start from scratch or book the Saver Econ on the correct day and go from there?

#PlanBinprogress
Sounds like the simplest way to go about it.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dr Moose on January 28, 2014, 05:04:39 PM
#PlanBfail
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MoGro17 on January 28, 2014, 05:08:30 PM
#PlanBfail
this war is FAR from over  :) :) :)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MoGro17 on January 28, 2014, 05:10:51 PM
i just read a supervisor the riot act because they wont give me the waitlist.
I even read for him, verbatim, the award rules from the website. http://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/mileageplus/awards/travel/types.aspx

He's going to ask his boss. I'm gonna work my way up to Smisek himself!!

#PlanBinprogress
#PlanbIShappening
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MoGro17 on January 28, 2014, 05:11:56 PM

I even read for him, verbatim, the award rules from the website. http://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/mileageplus/awards/travel/types.aspx

p.s. you have to drop down the award rules and its the 13th bullet down
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Moishebatchy on January 28, 2014, 06:44:40 PM
#PlanBinprogress
#PlanBinprogress
#PlanBinprogress
#PlanBinprogress
#PlanBinprogress
#PlanbIShappening


Ummmmmmmmmmmm... you know that this is not Twitter, right?  ???
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MoGro17 on January 28, 2014, 10:58:35 PM

Ummmmmmmmmmmm... you know that this is not Twitter, right?  ???

....
Umm. I think I'm on the wrong site. #mybad
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: SamKey on January 29, 2014, 04:54:02 PM
So I just put on hold NYC-ZRH-TLV ZRH-TLV is in I NYC-TLV is in x they said when ticketed they will take 60k does this count as plan b even though this is the rate on such a flight?
Oh and btw called 1 800-396-1751 and got it done on first try
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on January 29, 2014, 05:07:04 PM
Did they deduct 60K or 40K?

Not sure what you mean that they will charge 60K when ticketed.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: SamKey on January 29, 2014, 09:09:53 PM
Did they deduct 60K or 40K?

Not sure what you mean that they will charge 60K when ticketed.
it's on hold
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: drewguy33 on January 30, 2014, 12:10:52 PM
Just booked a plan B from NY to Rome. I have a stopover on the business class leg in Zurich.
Flight A from Newark to Zurich is the Plan B.
Flight B from Zurich to Rome is already booked in Business because of availability.

If i dont get into business on flight A- will I get refunded the whole 40,000 miles (it is for 2 passengers)?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on January 30, 2014, 12:35:41 PM
Just booked a plan B from NY to Rome. I have a stopover on the business class leg in Zurich.
Flight A from Newark to Zurich is the Plan B.
Flight B from Zurich to Rome is already booked in Business because of availability.

If i dont get into business on flight A- will I get refunded the whole 40,000 miles (it is for 2 passengers)?
Yes.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on January 30, 2014, 12:38:37 PM
Are you sure?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on January 30, 2014, 01:03:58 PM
Are you sure?
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/38212 (http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/38212)
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But what if you don’t clear?  Just contact United after the flight (Again, I’d use the web support callback link) and they will refund the extra miles you paid for business class.  For EWR-TLV this means a refund of the extra 20,000 miles each way they charge to fly in business saver over coach saver.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on January 30, 2014, 01:08:05 PM
I know that. But here he is flying in business Zurich to Rome.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on January 30, 2014, 01:09:53 PM
I know that. But here he is flying in business Zurich to Rome.
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/23569
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Say you are coming from Los Angeles, even if you clear into first class on the LAX-EWR flight, as long as you don’t clear on the international EWR-TLV flight you will still get the 20,000 miles each way refund!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on January 30, 2014, 01:13:50 PM
You may be right, but it's still not the same exact story.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Ergel on January 30, 2014, 01:15:59 PM
I'm not sure the cases are comparable. There the business is UA metal. Here it's lx metal
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: drewguy33 on January 30, 2014, 01:24:03 PM
I'm hoping it's not even an issue obviously.
Has anyone booked a plan B and not gone in business before?

But if it happens I'm hoping at least I'll get 25,000 miles back and they would only charge me the 15,000 extra miles it would be to fly business on 2nd flight as a worst case scenario.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on January 30, 2014, 01:32:13 PM
I'm not sure the cases are comparable. There the business is UA metal. Here it's lx metal
Why would that make a difference?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on January 30, 2014, 01:42:09 PM
I'm hoping it's not even an issue obviously.
Has anyone booked a plan B and not gone in business before?

But if it happens I'm hoping at least I'll get 25,000 miles back and they would only charge me the 15,000 extra miles it would be to fly business on 2nd flight as a worst case scenario.
Jaywhy may be 100% right. However the 25,000 miles I believe you would for sure be able to get back.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: TC610 on January 30, 2014, 04:48:06 PM
All legs of my outbound award flight was booked in I.
All legs of my return award flight was originally booked in X.

Return is MLE-IST-EDI-EWR-CLE.  Business saver is available for MLE-IST-EDI.  I called to have MLE-IST-EDI booked in business saver and the agent complied.  I tried explaining what I wanted for the EDI-EWR leg (manually issue a business class saver award and book me in coach), but she didn't understand.  I just told her to waitlist me (with the intent of HUCAing).

I look at my reservation and now I see:

Depart:
Male, Maldives (MLE)
Arrive:
Istanbul, Turkey (IST)
Fare Class: Business (I)

Depart:
Istanbul, Turkey (IST)
Arrive:
Fare Class: Business (I)

Depart:
Edinburgh, Scotland (EDI)
Arrive:
New York/Newark, NJ (EWR - Liberty)
Aircraft: Boeing 757-200
Fare Class: United Economy (X) - (I class requested)


Depart:
New York/Newark, NJ (EWR - Liberty)
Arrive:
Cleveland, OH (CLE)
Fare Class: United Economy (X)


An extra 20k per PAX was deducted from my account to rebook my first 2 legs in Business.  Does this mean she booked the Plan B correctly, even though she said she would just waitlist me?

Also, my longest leg is MLE-IST.  Am I still entitled to get the 20k per pax returned to my account if I don't clear in business?

FTR - the odd routing is there because there is no business or coach saver availability between IST-EWR for the date I need to return to the US, and EDI-EWR is UA metal.

Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MoGro17 on January 30, 2014, 06:18:27 PM
So here's the story:
I booked this whole long, fancy trip during peak times with miles. The whole shebang costed 290k for two people in 1st and business all the way. There is no question that I could NOT have pulled it off without the support and the knowledge of the Forumfolk, by the way. I just wanted to say thanks.

However, one leg of my trip, ZUR-EWR in June, is in saver economy plus (I used a friend's P1K account so it was free. Awesome.).
I tried and tried, HUCAed and HUCAed, but they, at United, staunchly refused to set up a Plan B for me and instead took the economy miles and waitlisted me for "I" class. I even read the policy straight off of United's website but they refused to budge.

Now, I can sweat it out and hope that Saver business opens up and then I will quickly call to move it on up. But that leaves too much up to chance and is hardly the Forumfolk way  ;)

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I can get a proper Plan B set up without alerting United Brass and risk them changing the setup?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on January 30, 2014, 06:53:25 PM
So here's the story:
I booked this whole long, fancy trip during peak times with miles. The whole shebang costed 290k for two people in 1st and business all the way. There is no question that I could NOT have pulled it off without the support and the knowledge of the Forumfolk, by the way. I just wanted to say thanks.

However, one leg of my trip, ZUR-EWR in June, is in saver economy plus (I used a friend's P1K account so it was free. Awesome.).
I tried and tried, HUCAed and HUCAed, but they, at United, staunchly refused to set up a Plan B for me and instead took the economy miles and waitlisted me for "I" class. I even read the policy straight off of United's website but they refused to budge.

Now, I can sweat it out and hope that Saver business opens up and then I will quickly call to move it on up. But that leaves too much up to chance and is hardly the Forumfolk way  ;)

Does anyone have any suggestions as to how I can get a proper Plan B set up without alerting United Brass and risk them changing the setup?
Have you tried having United call you? The agents there (former Continental agents) seem to know how to do it better than the normal United agents.
Have United call you (http://as00.estara.com/UI/gui.php?donotcache=1201839075925&accountid=20010417&referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.continental.com%2Fweb%2Fen-US%2Fcontent%2FContact%2Ftechnical%2Fdefault.aspx&pagetitle=Continental+Airlines+-+continental.com+Support+Contact+Information&template=1178&log1=www.continental.com%2Fweb%2Fen-US%2Fcontent%2Fcontact%2Ftechnical%2Fdefault.aspx&log2=&log3=&calltype=webvoicepop&guiid=43834a54eac25&timestamp=1201839058)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MoGro17 on January 30, 2014, 11:23:02 PM
Have you tried having United call you? The agents there (former Continental agents) seem to know how to do it better than the normal United agents.
Have United call you (http://as00.estara.com/UI/gui.php?donotcache=1201839075925&accountid=20010417&referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.continental.com%2Fweb%2Fen-US%2Fcontent%2FContact%2Ftechnical%2Fdefault.aspx&pagetitle=Continental+Airlines+-+continental.com+Support+Contact+Information&template=1178&log1=www.continental.com%2Fweb%2Fen-US%2Fcontent%2Fcontact%2Ftechnical%2Fdefault.aspx&log2=&log3=&calltype=webvoicepop&guiid=43834a54eac25&timestamp=1201839058)
That was my 1st move. They completely bungled it up.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Ergel on January 31, 2014, 12:32:32 AM
That was my 1st move. They completely bungled it up.

Is the zrh-ewr flight on ua metal?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: SamKey on January 31, 2014, 03:10:13 AM
SUCCESS!!!!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MoGro17 on January 31, 2014, 09:39:12 AM

Is the zrh-ewr flight on ua metal?
yes
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MoGro17 on January 31, 2014, 09:39:44 AM
Today is the day...
I gotta make my move on Plan B now or never...
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on January 31, 2014, 10:10:40 AM
Today is the day...
I gotta make my move on Plan B now or never...
Best of luck!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MoGro17 on January 31, 2014, 10:26:38 AM
Ha!!!!
SUCCESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#PlanBconfimed
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MoGro17 on January 31, 2014, 10:33:38 AM
Just an update on Plan B:

The United agents may claim that the system of charging Business amounts ONLY once you're confirmed in business is for YOUR benefit. "To save you the hassle of calling for refund in case you don't get it" she said. How cute  :D :D
You can by-pass it by specifically saying "I want you to charge me business amounts". Once again, show them the website rules on http://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/mileageplus/awards/travel/types.aspx (expand the "United air travel award rules" link) that allow for you to be charged business even if its not available.

Also, HUCA HUCA HUCA
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: SamKey on January 31, 2014, 12:45:23 PM
Just an update on Plan B:

The United agents may claim that the system of charging Business amounts ONLY once you're confirmed in business is for YOUR benefit. "To save you the hassle of calling for refund in case you don't get it" she said. How cute  :D :D
You can by-pass it by specifically saying "I want you to charge me business amounts". Once again, show them the website rules on http://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/mileageplus/awards/travel/types.aspx (expand the "United air travel award rules" link) that allow for you to be charged business even if its not available.

Also, HUCA HUCA HUCA
Or you can do what I did and get charged economy and be waitlisted
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on January 31, 2014, 12:50:29 PM
Or you can do what I did and get charged economy and be waitlisted
No, my friend.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: @Yehuda on January 31, 2014, 01:15:52 PM
No, my friend.
+1 that's not Plan B.

Also, MoGro17 is planning this trip w/ my brother and he doesn't even know it. :)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MoGro17 on January 31, 2014, 01:52:08 PM
+1 that's not Plan B.

Also, MoGro17 is planning this trip w/ my brother and he doesn't even know it. :)
Oh boy he knows it  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: SamKey on January 31, 2014, 01:56:23 PM
No, my friend.
+1 that's not Plan B.
if this isn't plan b what is
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MoGro17 on January 31, 2014, 01:57:44 PM
Or you can do what I did and get charged economy and be waitlisted
you, sir, WILL be charged the new, inflated rate when/if they upgrade your ticket after tomorrow.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: SamKey on January 31, 2014, 01:59:22 PM
you, sir, WILL be charged the new, inflated rate when/if they upgrade your ticket after tomorrow.
They officially took the full amount as per the receipt but my account says otherwise  8)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MoGro17 on January 31, 2014, 02:01:47 PM
if this isn't plan b what is
that's "Plan B Lite"

there are two problems:
1) if/when they fulfill the upgrade in the future, you will be charged the NEW mileage rate to move up.
2) when you get to the airport (after NOT getting the upgrade before then), you are not a displaced business passenger because you have not actually paid for a business seat. you paid for economy but asked for the right to pay for a business seat if it becomes available. BIG difference.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: SamKey on January 31, 2014, 02:02:39 PM
that's "Plan B Lite"

there are two problems:
1) if/when they fulfill the upgrade in the future, you will be charged the NEW mileage rate to move up.
2) when you get to the airport (after NOT getting the upgrade before then), you are not a displaced business passenger because you have not actually paid for a business seat. you paid for economy but asked for the right to pay for a business seat if it becomes available. BIG difference.
-1 My receipt says I paid 60k
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MoGro17 on January 31, 2014, 02:04:07 PM
They officially took the full amount as per the receipt but my account says otherwise  8)
interesting...
I have no experience with this.
What do you suppose that means?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: SamKey on January 31, 2014, 02:10:05 PM
Very weird you may be right might receipt says nothing about the IN requested and says economy price but the reservation/flight details on the website says IN and price is full
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MoGro17 on January 31, 2014, 02:11:43 PM
Very weird you may be right might receipt says nothing about the IN requested and says economy price but the reservation/flight details on the website says IN and price is full
....
I don't have an answer for this one. Maybe Dan can shed some light.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on January 31, 2014, 02:52:21 PM
Sometimes it takes a while for your mileage account to get updated. So you were probably charged the full amount it just doesn't say yet on your account.

What did the rep tell you? did she charge the full amount or not?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: @Yehuda on January 31, 2014, 02:55:49 PM
Oh boy he knows it  ;D ;D ;D

Nice to meet you. :)

Awesome job getting it to work out. Follow my thread to see/help the planning of my trip!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on January 31, 2014, 03:00:11 PM
....
I don't have an answer for this one. Maybe Dan can shed some light.
You can also try logging out and back in to see if it's been updated.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: SamKey on January 31, 2014, 03:12:35 PM
Sometimes it takes a while for your mileage account to get updated. So you were probably charged the full amount it just doesn't say yet on your account.

What did the rep tell you? did she charge the full amount or not?
The receipt says 115 and x but the reservation says IN and 120The Rep said that when it gets ticketed I'll be charged 120k
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: @Yehuda on January 31, 2014, 04:00:48 PM
Interesting SamKey. It does seem like everything worked other than the wording she gave you that you booked economy and will be wait listed. But if the miles worked and it says IN requested, it seems like it would work. (Although I have no experience in Plan B.)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: SamKey on January 31, 2014, 04:06:44 PM
Interesting SamKey. It does seem like everything worked other than the wording she gave you that you booked economy and will be wait listed. But if the miles worked and it says IN requested, it seems like it would work. (Although I have no experience in Plan B.)
but the receipt says 115
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MoGro17 on February 01, 2014, 07:22:32 PM
Nice to meet you. :)

Awesome job getting it to work out. Follow my thread to see/help the planning of my trip!
sure!
link?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: SamKey on February 02, 2014, 11:17:45 AM
Ok so I called up United and they took the additional 5k out of my account and now my receipt says 120k but x class the reservation says IN requested is that normal?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: SamKey on February 02, 2014, 07:09:54 PM
Ok so I called up United and they took the additional 5k out of my account and now my receipt says 120k but x class the reservation says IN requested is that normal?
BUMP?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on February 02, 2014, 07:51:52 PM
What is x class?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on February 02, 2014, 07:52:52 PM
What is x class?

Isnt X class economy saver award?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on February 02, 2014, 08:11:25 PM
Isnt X class economy saver award?
Yes. So @Samkey, you're set up. What looks NOT normal?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: SamKey on February 02, 2014, 09:54:46 PM
Yes. So @Samkey, you're set up. What looks NOT normal?
the receipt doesn't say IN requested only the reservation does
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: arieldahan on February 04, 2014, 08:41:50 PM
Does anyone know how the baggage situation works with plan b?
What happens if I don't get the upgrade before I get to the airport?
Am I entitled to two bags because I paid for a business class ticket, or can I only get one bag because I'm seated in economy?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on February 05, 2014, 11:33:09 PM
Can I do Plan B on only one way of a round trip?

Example: Booked in business on the way there, but wish to Plan B the way back.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MEIR613 on February 05, 2014, 11:36:42 PM
Can I do Plan B on only one way of a round trip?

Example: Booked in business on the way there, but wish to Plan B the way back.
Why not.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: SamKey on February 06, 2014, 12:03:12 AM
Can I do Plan B on only one way of a round trip?

Example: Booked in business on the way there, but wish to Plan B the way back.
I did it on one leg of a ow
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on February 06, 2014, 01:12:01 AM
Can I do Plan B on only one way of a round trip?

Example: Booked in business on the way there, but wish to Plan B the way back.
I also did it on a OW without a problem.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on February 06, 2014, 01:14:57 AM
Thanks, guy.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: lifetimedeals on February 06, 2014, 10:43:18 AM
which is nicer/better business class united direct to tlv or Brussels air with stop to tlv ?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: sky121 on February 06, 2014, 10:50:35 AM
which is nicer/better business class united direct to tlv or Brussels air with stop to tlv ?

I'd go UA.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: lifetimedeals on February 06, 2014, 10:54:48 AM
I'd go UA.
UA because its direct?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: sky121 on February 06, 2014, 11:05:40 AM
Direct and a great product.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: lifetimedeals on February 06, 2014, 11:36:22 AM
anybody have experience on united partner Brussels in business to TLV?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on February 06, 2014, 11:38:56 AM
It's a good product; in fact the soft product is likely better than UA.

But it isn't worth the stop.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: lifetimedeals on February 06, 2014, 12:45:21 PM
It's a good product; in fact the soft product is likely better than UA.

But it isn't worth the stop.
if they open up an availability on UA in business you think they will allow the change with not charging more miles?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on February 06, 2014, 03:17:27 PM
How much can I rely on Plan B JFK-LAX anyone with experience?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on February 06, 2014, 03:27:01 PM
If I may ask does Plan B work for domestic flights as well?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on February 06, 2014, 03:29:29 PM
If I may ask does Plan B work for domestic flights as well?
It does, just most people don't want to spend the miles on domestic flights IMO.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on February 06, 2014, 03:34:17 PM
It does, just most people don't want to spend the miles on domestic flights IMO.
Ummmm LAX-JFK, I would. I would rather spend 35K LH Miles or 40K SQ miles, but f it's not availible now ill have to use UA miles and do plan B.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on February 06, 2014, 03:38:07 PM
Ummmm LAX-JFK, I would. I would rather spend 35K LH Miles or 40K SQ miles, but f it's not availible now ill have to use UA miles and do plan B.
I might consider it for a redeye, but otherwise I don't care that much.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on February 06, 2014, 03:56:56 PM
Has anyone had success changing a Plan B itin online before it clears?
I have one booked but UA.com is not pulling up results.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MEIR613 on February 06, 2014, 04:09:06 PM
Ummmm LAX-JFK, I would. I would rather spend 35K LH Miles or 40K SQ miles, but f it's not availible now ill have to use UA miles and do plan B.
If your a little flexible on times, almost always a UA flight will open up, but will need to book via SQ and not LH.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on February 06, 2014, 04:57:39 PM
If your a little flexible on times, almost always a UA flight will open up, but will need to book via SQ and not LH.
Yeah i've done that before but they became horrible with opening the last minute....

I ended up booking AA first, it looks awesome!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MoGro17 on February 06, 2014, 05:41:48 PM
Yeah i've done that before but they became horrible with opening the last minute....

I ended up booking AA first, it looks awesome!
I have flown close to 100 flights in my life and I have yet to encounter a stewardess who looked like that.
Maybe I'm flying the wrong airlines...
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on February 06, 2014, 05:53:26 PM
I have flown close to 100 flights in my life and I have yet to encounter a stewardess who looked like that.
Maybe I'm flying the wrong airlines...

Fly SQ.

Otherwise:
(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/48/488ab36769a18f8e015594423e5e37693564ba50130dca777e5b3fb9734a9297.jpg)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: sillypainter on February 06, 2014, 05:56:39 PM
Fly SQ.

Otherwise:
(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/48/488ab36769a18f8e015594423e5e37693564ba50130dca777e5b3fb9734a9297.jpg)

I respectively disagree. I think SQ stewardess (flight attendants) are very jolly and childy, but EXCELLENT. Rather make it for LH F stewardess, more professional, older, more experienced.

I never flew SQ in suites, so I am not sure, but I assume they are all fired when they hit 30...
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on February 06, 2014, 06:00:28 PM
I respectively disagree. I think SQ stewardess (flight attendants) are very jolly and childy, but EXCELLENT. Rather make it for LH F stewardess, more professional, older, more experienced.
No idea what you're disagreeing with.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MoGro17 on February 07, 2014, 10:27:13 AM
No idea what you're disagreeing with.
@dan
I think sillypainter missed the point of my joke.  ;) ;) ;)
I respectively disagree. I think SQ stewardess (flight attendants) are very jolly and childy, but EXCELLENT. Rather make it for LH F stewardess, more professional, older, more experienced.

I never flew SQ in suites, so I am not sure, but I assume they are all fired when they hit 30...
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MoGro17 on February 07, 2014, 10:28:31 AM
Hey Dan! between the two of us we have over 32,900 posts!!
 ;D
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: bades on February 10, 2014, 12:42:38 PM
whats a better option Plan B or using  GPU, united informed me that flight is available to get confirmed with a GPU or miles but still waitlisted for Plan B , and they said plan B probably Will NOT clear.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on February 10, 2014, 02:09:32 PM
When is the flight? They have no idea if plan B will clear or not, these reps are clueless, they make me sooo nervuse. Aderabe.. Usually when there is R availability it means that the cabin is not full... Though why not use the GPU and you're confirmed?..
 
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: bades on February 10, 2014, 02:15:29 PM
only confirmed one way.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on February 10, 2014, 02:17:23 PM
only confirmed one way.
So confirm one way and do plan B for the other?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Million Miler on February 12, 2014, 08:41:24 AM
Does anyone have experience with plan b going from tlv to ewr?  Do the Israeli Ua reps know how to put the customer in PR1 status

Has anyone had success on tlv-ewr?? 
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: arieldahan on February 18, 2014, 04:43:21 PM
Has anyone had success on tlv-ewr??

Yes,

I just returned from a plan "B" leaving from EWR. when I got to the airport literally no one knew what I was talking about. when I checked in, they made me pay for my second bag and my waitlist was cancelled as I was not eligible to be upgraded for free. Everyone I went to (five separate tries at the check in gate on both levels) said that I had an economy seat. They said to take it up with the people at the gate to see what they could do. When got to the gate, it was closed as it only opens right before the flight due to the extra security for TLV flights. Not wanting to wait until the last minute, I headed towards the lounge as I thought there might be someone who could help me there. On my way, I noticed a United help desk so I tried that first. I explained to them that there's been some mix up- I am supposed to be flying business! I told them that my "travel agent" said to look up ggonestandby and the line numbers, and that I needed PR1 status. He looked at me funny, because I was quoting the system to him, but he checked and he was still not sure. So he called the help desk. The help desk called the rewards desk which confirmed I paid for a business seat. they then issues me the upgrade status. ( there was one person ahead of me. I'm not sure why, but it didn't matter as there was enough room for all the upgraders.) he also said I can go online to request a refund for the extra baggage fee ( I have yet to hear back from them...). All in all, it took twenty minutes at the help desk to get it sorted out.

When I got to the gate they called my name and told me I got the upgrade, but that I was only getting Economy Kosher food because that is what they ordered for me.

My only other complaint, which is unrelated to plan "B", is about my return, which was with a stop over in Austria. United never told them to get me a kosher meal. I slept anyway so it wasn't totally a bad trip . Besides, like a good Jew, I bought Tzeidah LaDerech, just in case.   


When 
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: sillypainter on February 18, 2014, 04:47:56 PM
Yes,

I just returned from a plan "B" leaving from EWR. when I got to the airport literally no one knew what I was talking about. when I checked in, they made me pay for my second bag and my waitlist was cancelled as I was not eligible to be upgraded for free. Everyone I went to (five separate tries at the check in gate on both levels) said that I had an economy seat. They said to take it up with the people at the gate to see what they could do. When got to the gate, it was closed as it only opens right before the flight due to the extra security for TLV flights. Not wanting to wait until the last minute, I headed towards the lounge as I thought there might be someone who could help me there. On my way, I noticed a United help desk so I tried that first. I explained to them that there's been some mix up- I am supposed to be flying business! I told them that my "travel agent" said to look up ggonestandby and the line numbers, and that I needed PR1 status. He looked at me funny, because I was quoting the system to him, but he checked and he was still not sure. So he called the help desk. The help desk called the rewards desk which confirmed I paid for a business seat. they then issues me the upgrade status. ( there was one person ahead of me. I'm not sure why, but it didn't matter as there was enough room for all the upgraders.) he also said I can go online to request a refund for the extra baggage fee ( I have yet to hear back from them...). All in all, it took twenty minutes at the help desk to get it sorted out.

When I got to the gate they called my name and told me I got the upgrade, but that I was only getting Economy Kosher food because that is what they ordered for me.

My only other complaint, which is unrelated to plan "B", is about my return, which was with a stop over in Austria. United never told them to get me a kosher meal. I slept anyway so it wasn't totally a bad trip . Besides, like a good Jew, I bought Tzeidah LaDerech, just in case.   


When

Thanks for the update. As a sidenote, United never transfers over food requests unlike Aeroplan that does.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Moishebatchy on February 18, 2014, 06:59:03 PM
Thanks for the update. As a sidenote, United never transfers over food requests unlike Aeroplan that does.

+1

It's a different GDS system.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: miles on February 18, 2014, 10:08:52 PM
my O request changed to R does it mean its over
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on February 18, 2014, 10:10:43 PM
my O request changed to R does it mean its over
If it was O you were confirmed already; I means waitlist. If it's R just call them and see if the can confirm you. It worked for me.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Million Miler on February 23, 2014, 07:33:46 AM
Yes,

I just returned from a plan "B" leaving from EWR. when I got to the airport literally no one knew what I was talking about. when I checked in, they made me pay for my second bag and my waitlist was cancelled as I was not eligible to be upgraded for free. Everyone I went to (five separate tries at the check in gate on both levels) said that I had an economy seat. They said to take it up with the people at the gate to see what they could do. When got to the gate, it was closed as it only opens right before the flight due to the extra security for TLV flights. Not wanting to wait until the last minute, I headed towards the lounge as I thought there might be someone who could help me there. On my way, I noticed a United help desk so I tried that first. I explained to them that there's been some mix up- I am supposed to be flying business! I told them that my "travel agent" said to look up ggonestandby and the line numbers, and that I needed PR1 status. He looked at me funny, because I was quoting the system to him, but he checked and he was still not sure. So he called the help desk. The help desk called the rewards desk which confirmed I paid for a business seat. they then issues me the upgrade status. ( there was one person ahead of me. I'm not sure why, but it didn't matter as there was enough room for all the upgraders.) he also said I can go online to request a refund for the extra baggage fee ( I have yet to hear back from them...). All in all, it took twenty minutes at the help desk to get it sorted out.

When I got to the gate they called my name and told me I got the upgrade, but that I was only getting Economy Kosher food because that is what they ordered for me.

My only other complaint, which is unrelated to plan "B", is about my return, which was with a stop over in Austria. United never told them to get me a kosher meal. I slept anyway so it wasn't totally a bad trip . Besides, like a good Jew, I bought Tzeidah LaDerech, just in case.   


When

My question is if anyone can share they're plan b experience leaving tlv ?? As there is much less of a is presence there
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Moishebatchy on February 23, 2014, 12:32:59 PM
If it was O you were confirmed already; I means waitlist. If it's R just call them and see if the can confirm you. It worked for me.

-1

O is first class award; I is business class award.

R is upgrade space. If it changes to R, it should mean you've cleared. Congratulations. :)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MoGro17 on February 23, 2014, 12:38:44 PM
Thanks for the update. As a sidenote, United never transfers over food requests unlike Aeroplan that does.
I had a problem confirming kosher on an Aegean flight that I bought through United.com.
There is no USA contact # for Aegean!! wth!!

Anywho, i called United and the first agent was able to set up the request for me. also to arrange to be seated together. I simply told her that I couldn't get through to Aegean and she said "no prob".
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: sillypainter on February 23, 2014, 12:48:53 PM
I had a problem confirming kosher on an Aegean flight that I bought through United.com.
There is no USA contact # for Aegean!! wth!!

Anywho, i called United and the first agent was able to set up the request for me. also to arrange to be seated together. I simply told her that I couldn't get through to Aegean and she said "no prob".

I'm glad it worked for you. Lets hope it will actually be processed.

I was talking about transferring over when in your profile you have kosher food selected.

Sorry to burst your bubble but last time I flew them from TLV their food was from Stogel....... :(
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on February 23, 2014, 12:52:46 PM
Lol. I'd starve before eating that.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: sillypainter on February 23, 2014, 12:53:53 PM
-1

O is first class award; I is business class award.

R is upgrade space. If it changes to R, it should mean you've cleared. Congratulations. :)

You need to reticket sometimes. Make sure it says "ticketed".
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: runnergirl on February 23, 2014, 01:26:26 PM
What are my chance of a successful Plan B on the EWR-HNL flight? Please share any experiences.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: gswannabe on February 24, 2014, 12:02:46 PM
It took an hour and a half but i finally got it set up correctly.
Would it make any difference if I add the lap child now, or after it (assuming it does) clears ?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on March 03, 2014, 06:57:56 PM
Can I setup plan B within 24 hours of departure?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on March 03, 2014, 06:59:17 PM
Can I setup plan B within 24 hours of departure?
I highly doubt it.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on March 06, 2014, 12:16:55 PM
Set up a plan B today in 15 min :)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on March 06, 2014, 12:19:25 PM
Set up a plan B today in 15 min :)
Nice, which route?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on March 06, 2014, 12:54:58 PM
Nice, which route?
LHR-LAX
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on March 06, 2014, 01:14:14 PM
LHR-LAX
Good luck!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on March 06, 2014, 02:38:45 PM
Good luck!
Thanks.  :)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Million Miler on March 06, 2014, 03:37:13 PM
so I'm flying next week UA 85 TLV-EWR, I booked plan b and it was set up correctly but still has not gotten upgraded to I Class (it does says i class requested). My feeling is that I'll have to have it set up in the airport. Has anyone had any experience with Plan B in TLV?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on March 06, 2014, 05:22:16 PM
No experience, but be there early enough.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on March 14, 2014, 11:23:49 AM
Good luck!
Business class became available but the upgrade wasn't processed automatically. There also wasn't any message to call in.
I called in and had them manually upgrade it.  :)

WATT *A alerts really came through the clutch.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on March 14, 2014, 11:37:53 AM
Business class became available but the upgrade wasn't processed automatically. There also wasn't any message to call in.
I called in and had them manually upgrade it.  :)

WATT *A alerts really came through the clutch.
Nice!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: @jack123 on March 23, 2014, 12:03:56 AM
can someone tell me if this is right?
this was originally a flight i had booked preval as a stopover, but now UA90 became availability so i asked them to change to a plan b. took 40 minutes, and agent insists it right, but the HN class instead of X class had me worried.. although no more miles were deducted from acct, just the original 60k... any help much appreciated!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: @jack123 on March 27, 2014, 03:23:46 PM
anyone know how close to flight the standby list starts clearing?
I have flight motzei shabbas with a plan b set up, but not going to get to the airport until 2 hrs before. anything i can do to increase my chances before or to expedite the process when get to the airport? will they let me in the business check in line if haven't cleared yet? still hoping it clears tonight or tomorrow as there are still seats available, but any advice would be really appreciated
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on March 27, 2014, 03:33:48 PM
anyone know how close to flight the standby list starts clearing?
I have flight motzei shabbas with a plan b set up, but not going to get to the airport until 2 hrs before. anything i can do to increase my chances before or to expedite the process when get to the airport? will they let me in the business check in line if haven't cleared yet? still hoping it clears tonight or tomorrow as there are still seats available, but any advice would be really appreciated
There's not much you can do in advance. If you don't get confirmed by Friday before shabbos your best bet will be to call immediately after shabbos and ask them to manually upgrade you if there's still seats available and you didn't make it automatically in the few hours between hadlakas neiros and 24 hours before the flight.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yitz on March 27, 2014, 03:34:10 PM
The choices are not available as they had some flight cancellations today and yesterday.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: @jack123 on March 27, 2014, 03:44:37 PM
There's not much you can do in advance. If you don't get confirmed by Friday before shabbos your best bet will be to call immediately after shabbos and ask them to manually upgrade you if there's still seats available and you didn't make it automatically in the few hours between hadlakas neiros and 24 hours before the flight.

thanks... well see what happens
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: @jack123 on March 27, 2014, 03:45:05 PM
The choices are not available as they had some flight cancellations today and yesterday.

the non stops were cancelled? as of now still shows seats available on my flight...
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yitz on March 27, 2014, 04:05:16 PM
I checked for Saturday night early this morning and i did not see any. I did see 3 business class seats on the 12:15 pm flight leaving Sunday  this morning
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: @jack123 on March 27, 2014, 04:36:01 PM

I checked for Saturday night early this morning and i did not see any. I did see 3 business class seats on the 12:15 pm flight leaving Sunday  this morning
There aren't award seats sat night (otherwise I woulda gotten upgraded automatically or called already), but there are seats for sale.. Expert mode shows 8 last I checked. Which is why I wasn't sure what u meant when u said bc of cancellations u didn't  think it work... Maybe I'm misunderstanding u
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: @jack123 on March 27, 2014, 11:19:58 PM
Might be a dumb question, but just in case.. U have to go to ur departure airport 24 hrs before or could a united agent in a different airport possible fix the standby priority status (maybe I could someone in an earlier time zone to take care of it when it's shabbos for me already?)?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on March 28, 2014, 12:58:56 AM
Might be a dumb question, but just in case.. U have to go to ur departure airport 24 hrs before or could a united agent in a different airport possible fix the standby priority status (maybe I could someone in an earlier time zone to take care of it when it's shabbos for me already?)?
I'm not sure, but they might ask to see ID.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: @jack123 on March 29, 2014, 11:12:12 PM
thanks... for those who keep track of this stuff or are stam interested, heres an update:

got to airport less than two hours before the flight (about 40 min after shabbos) and a very nice agent was able to get her to PR1 after calling the help desk and working on it for 10-15 minutes. so she (this was for my wife) was #1 on list and as of less than hr before flight there were still 2 seats hadn't checked in. was getting hopeful, but then on mobile app it said it was checked in full a few minutes later, about 40 min before. but on computer at united.com it still said one seat available. she went to ticket counter at gate and they said its full, when she mentioned online was one available they said "its for crew rest." i thought that sounded pretty shady, but she said non of the gate agents were being helpful or even friendly. after she asked them she went down on the list a few spots (no new ppl added, just dropped below the people she had just been in front of on the list! she asked about it but they told her she was never supposed to be on top of the list anyway. and refused to do anything for her. ended up speaking to someone else who at least gave her economy plus, but the experience with gate agents and their seemingly blocking a seat for crew use was pretty frustrating.
think worth asking for some compensation from them or does this not warrant that?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on April 23, 2014, 08:30:39 AM
Another Plan B I did was upgraded automatically with no need to call in.

Anyone have any ideas why some of them need to be manually upgraded and some get processed automatically?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on April 23, 2014, 08:31:31 AM
Because SHARES is buggy.

What route? Congrats!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on April 23, 2014, 08:33:28 AM
Because SHARES is buggy.

What route? Congrats!
Thanks. PIT-IAD-LHR.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availabilityi
Post by: MilesNpoints on April 24, 2014, 04:53:06 PM
Also an automatic upgrade.  Without Dan,
this wouldn't be possible. 
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: SamKey on April 27, 2014, 07:19:45 PM
My IN class just switched to R class requested
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on April 27, 2014, 07:31:14 PM
My IN class just switched to R class requested
Are you within 24h?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: SamKey on April 27, 2014, 08:25:53 PM
Are you within 24h?
Yes
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on April 27, 2014, 08:43:18 PM
Sounds right
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: SamKey on April 27, 2014, 08:59:31 PM
Sounds right
So I just go to airport and tell them to give me pr-1?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on April 27, 2014, 09:57:43 PM
Call and ask. I did when I was in your situation and they confirmed me in I over the phone.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: SamKey on April 27, 2014, 10:09:06 PM
Call and ask. I did when I was in your situation and they confirmed me in I over the phone.
I called they didn't help, I will HUCA but what exactly do I tell them?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on April 27, 2014, 10:13:48 PM
I called they didn't help, I will HUCA but what exactly do I tell them?
Is there Saver award space?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: SamKey on April 27, 2014, 10:35:54 PM
Is there Saver award space?
no only standard
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: SamKey on April 27, 2014, 10:36:51 PM
Will the phone rep know what gg onestanby is?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on April 27, 2014, 10:57:10 PM
Will the phone rep know what gg onestanby is?
No. Only at the airport - AFAIK.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on April 28, 2014, 09:50:24 AM
Go to the airport as early as possible.
What route are you flying?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: SamKey on April 28, 2014, 11:12:19 AM
Go to the airport as early as possible.
What route are you flying?
NYC-ZRH-TLV ZRH-TLV was booked in I NYC-ZRH in x. Last night I saw there was a flight with lx that opened up business saver I called and got a nice rep that switched me to that flight in I
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on April 28, 2014, 11:20:55 AM
Can you do plan B with partners as well? ???
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: SamKey on April 28, 2014, 11:25:52 AM
Can you do plan B with partners as well? ???
you definitely can't book it that way
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ajs625 on April 28, 2014, 08:16:34 PM
Set up Plan B for my flight (have I requested next to my award reservation) but was not ticketed yet. Is that standard procedure?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: yls2011 on May 06, 2014, 10:51:04 PM
Does anyone know the chances of Plan B working for nonstop IAD-LAX? I have rarely ever seen any saver business availability, just saver economy. They are very stingy with releasing saver business availability on that route.
I am only arriving at IAD 2 hrs before the flight, because I am connecting from BRU-IAD. If it doesn't clear before 24 hours, can I go to a United gate agent at BRU and ask them to do the PR-1 status?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on May 06, 2014, 11:08:39 PM
Does anyone know the chances of Plan B working for nonstop IAD-LAX? I have rarely ever seen any saver business availability, just saver economy. They are very stingy with releasing saver business availability on that route.
I am only arriving at IAD 2 hrs before the flight, because I am connecting from BRU-IAD. If it doesn't clear before 24 hours, can I go to a United gate agent at BRU and ask them to do the PR-1 status?
Yes.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: yls2011 on May 06, 2014, 11:42:02 PM
Thanks.

Anyone have any experience with IAD-LAX opening up in Saver business?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: lichenlt on May 09, 2014, 12:25:54 PM
Is Plan B only working on tickets that contain UA metals only? Can I Plan B on a UA segment in a mixed award with partner metals?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Marco Polo on May 09, 2014, 12:27:24 PM
Is Plan B only working on tickets that contain UA metals only? Can I Plan B on a UA segment in a mixed award with partner metals?
I believe per Dan's DDMS post, only on UA metal.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: lichenlt on May 09, 2014, 12:31:32 PM
I believe per Dan's DDMS post, only on UA metal.

So just to clarify, all segments have to be UA metal?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on May 09, 2014, 12:32:44 PM
So just to clarify, all segments have to be UA metal?

That you want to do Plan B on. Yes
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on May 09, 2014, 12:37:51 PM
Is Plan B only working on tickets that contain UA metals only? Can I Plan B on a UA segment in a mixed award with partner metals?
Yes. While Plan B only works on UA metal, you can have flights on other carriers booked on the same itinerary. We had flights on AC one way (no plan B) and UA and US on the way back. Since there were seats in F on US but not on UA, we were confirmed in F (actually it was O) on US and did Plan B for the UA part.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: lichenlt on May 09, 2014, 12:44:10 PM
Yes. While Plan B only works on UA metal, you can have flights on other carriers booked on the same itinerary. We had flights on AC one way (no plan B) and UA and US on the way back. Since there were seats in F on US but not on UA, we were confirmed in F (actually it was O) on US and did Plan B for the UA part.

Thanks, that's exactly what I wanted to know.

Now do I have to set it up when I first ticket the award, or can I request the upgrade later? I tried to do it later but either the agents didn't know what I was talking about, or told me it wasn't possible when there were partner metal involved.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on May 09, 2014, 12:47:34 PM
Thanks, that's exactly what I wanted to know.

Now do I have to set it up when I first ticket the award, or can I request the upgrade later? I tried to do it later but either the agents didn't know what I was talking about, or told me it wasn't possible when there were partner metal involved.
You can set it up later. You have to clarify with them that you only want it on UA metal. If there's F/J on the other carrier, you can book that when you set up Plan B. I'm not sure what will happen if there's no F/J on the other carrier.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Marco Polo on May 09, 2014, 12:48:48 PM
Thanks, that's exactly what I wanted to know.

Now do I have to set it up when I first ticket the award, or can I request the upgrade later? I tried to do it later but either the agents didn't know what I was talking about, or told me it wasn't possible when there were partner metal involved.
Did you read Dan's post? He explains exactly how to do it.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: lichenlt on May 09, 2014, 12:55:01 PM
Did you read Dan's post? He explains exactly how to do it.

I did, but it wasn't clear whether all segments had to be UA metal or not, which is why I'm asking. The key really isn't how to do it, but to find an agent who knows what you are talking about. I obviously didn't try enough agents to find a good one.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on May 09, 2014, 12:56:46 PM
I did, but it wasn't clear whether all segments had to be UA metal or not, which is why I'm asking. The key really isn't how to do it, but to find an agent who knows what you are talking about. I obviously didn't try enough agents to find a good one.
Have United call you. Those agents seem to know better than calling them.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on May 09, 2014, 01:10:30 PM
I did, but it wasn't clear whether all segments had to be UA metal or not, which is why I'm asking. The key really isn't how to do it, but to find an agent who knows what you are talking about. I obviously didn't try enough agents to find a good one.
Never had an agent at the callback line who couldn't do it.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Joe4007 on May 09, 2014, 01:27:26 PM
I did, but it wasn't clear whether all segments had to be UA metal or not, which is why I'm asking.
Couldn't be more clear:
Quote
All of this only works with United flights, it won’t work for partner flights (partner flights can be on the same itinerary, you just can’t use Plan B for them).
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: efflpetzel on May 11, 2014, 12:23:50 PM

You can set it up later. You have to clarify with them that you only want it on UA metal. If there's F/J on the other carrier, you can book that when you set up Plan B. I'm not sure what will happen if there's no F/J on the other carrier.
just to be crystal clear, I can set up plan B a month after I've booked a saver award ticket ?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on May 11, 2014, 12:46:27 PM
just to be crystal clear, I can set up plan B a month after I've booked a saver award ticket ?
Yes.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: efflpetzel on May 11, 2014, 07:42:33 PM
Say I set up a Plan B successfully & was automatically upgraded to business, does the original saver economy seat go back into award inventory?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on May 11, 2014, 08:01:54 PM

Say I set up a Plan B successfully & was automatically upgraded to business, does the original saver economy seat go back into award inventory?

Not always. Just depends on the availability and if they want to
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: efflpetzel on May 11, 2014, 08:53:16 PM
phewwwww,

Just set up Plan B for a domestic flight with a stopover, its showing as waitlisted in I class,

1) The reservation is showing that i was charged 40K but my milage balance hasn't changed, is that normal?

2) Agent kept telling me that if I don't clear the waitlist & X class is no longer available I'd be charged the standard award rate?



Shoutout to Jaywhy for helping me out!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: mikaelrap on May 11, 2014, 10:57:37 PM
Hi, I just booked a Ticket EWR to TLV using Plan B methodology. Saver Award was available in Coach etc.
The agent charged me for the full 60,000 miles + $2.50.
the confirmation says:

Fare Class: Economy (HN) - (I class requested).
They refused to use "X" fare class & the agent said that If I do not get upgraded, then I will lose the difference between 60,000 and 42,500.

Is that the right setup?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MEIR613 on May 11, 2014, 10:59:42 PM
Hi, I just booked a Ticket EWR to TLV using Plan B methodology. Saver Award was available in Coach etc.
The agent charged me for the full 60,000 miles + $2.50.
the confirmation says:

Fare Class: Economy (HN) - (I class requested).
They refused to use "X" fare class & the agent said that If I do not get upgraded, then I will lose the difference between 60,000 and 42,500.

Is that the right setup?
It should be 70k, not 60k.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: mikaelrap on May 11, 2014, 11:08:40 PM
It should be 70k, not 60k.

Yes Yes it's 70k my mistake, was a typo.
But, is the class "HN" correct?
Dan said we should have a class "X"
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: efflpetzel on May 12, 2014, 12:56:56 AM

phewwwww,

Just set up Plan B for a domestic flight with a stopover, its showing as waitlisted in I class,

1) The reservation is showing that i was charged 40K but my milage balance hasn't changed, is that normal?

2) Agent kept telling me that if I don't clear the waitlist & X class is no longer available I'd be charged the standard award rate?



Shoutout to Jaywhy for helping me out!
update
Milage balance is now showing -40k
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: mikaelrap on May 12, 2014, 09:41:14 AM
Yes Yes it's 70k my mistake, was a typo.
But, is the class "HN" correct?
Dan said we should have a class "X"

Any clue on this?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: mikaelrap on May 12, 2014, 10:09:26 AM
It's ok, canceled the reservation and tried again:
It now says:

Fare Class: United Economy (XN) - (I class requested)
XN: Because I have the Chase United Exporer Card.

I was charged the full 70,000 miles
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: SamKey on May 12, 2014, 11:24:41 AM
It's ok, canceled the reservation and tried again:
It now says:

Fare Class: United Economy (XN) - (I class requested)
XN: Because I have the Chase United Exporer Card.

I was charged the full 70,000 miles
If you got XN you should'nt you  be IN requested?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: efflpetzel on May 12, 2014, 12:42:54 PM
If you got XN you should'nt you  be IN requested?
Bump?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: yehuda S on May 12, 2014, 12:49:17 PM
Anyone know: If I were to book the plan B award and then decide not to take my flight, how many miles will I lose?

TIA
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on May 12, 2014, 12:50:09 PM
Anyone know: If I were to book the plan B award and then decide not to take my flight, how many miles will I lose?

TIA
You should get all your miles redeposited.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: yehuda S on May 12, 2014, 12:51:30 PM
You should get all your miles redeposited.

All? how? The rules state there is a $200 charge for cancelling an award flight!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on May 12, 2014, 12:52:33 PM
All? how? The rules state there is a $200 charge for cancelling an award flight!
You will have to pay to fee (or not if you're an elite member) but they should redeposit the miles.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: yehuda S on May 12, 2014, 12:58:23 PM
You will have to pay to fee (or not if you're an elite member) but they should redeposit the miles.

Ok I should clarify my question. I want to do plan B for a domestic award but I may not end up being able to take the flight. It's for a flight to Hawaii which means that I would not bother paying the $200 cancellation fee IF I only stand to lose the saver economy fare. If I would stand to lose the saver business fare that they take from my account upon booking, I would pay the $200 fee.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on May 12, 2014, 01:10:16 PM
Ok I should clarify my question. I want to do plan B for a domestic award but I may not end up being able to take the flight. It's for a flight to Hawaii which means that I would not bother paying the $200 cancellation fee IF I only stand to lose the saver economy fare. If I would stand to lose the saver business fare that they take from my account upon booking, I would pay the $200 fee.
I'd imagine you'd get all the miles refunded. If you set up Plan B correctly and they take the full business class amount of miles from your account I don't see why they wouldn't refund that amount of miles to you.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: yehuda S on May 12, 2014, 01:31:01 PM
Thanks. I doubt I would get them all back if I don't want to pay the fee. I just hope I will only lose the economy miles and not the business class miles.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MEIR613 on May 12, 2014, 01:41:04 PM
If you got XN you should'nt you  be IN requested?
Huh?

XN means he has the UA CC, which gives more availability.

IN is extra biz avialabilty for elites.

So even if he's in XN, that has nothing to do with IN.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: SamKey on May 12, 2014, 01:49:17 PM
Huh?

XN means he has the UA CC, which gives more availability.

IN is extra biz avialabilty for elites.

So even if he's in XN, that has nothing to do with IN.
Thought they were the same
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: mikaelrap on May 12, 2014, 05:51:28 PM
If you got XN you should'nt you  be IN requested?

Apprently you are XN when you have the explorer card. But IN is for Platinum/1k members etc.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: mikaelrap on May 12, 2014, 05:53:00 PM
Huh?

XN means he has the UA CC, which gives more availability.

IN is extra biz avialabilty for elites.

So even if he's in XN, that has nothing to do with IN.

Xactly
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: efflpetzel on May 22, 2014, 01:35:59 PM
I'd like to hear from people for whom Plan B didn't work out,
did United redeposit the mileage difference between business & economy?

I'm asking because multiple agents on the callback line have told me that if I don't get upgraded I won't get back those extra miles
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on May 22, 2014, 01:43:14 PM
I'd like to hear from people for whom Plan B didn't work out,
did United redeposit the mileage difference between business & economy?

I'm asking because multiple agents on the callback line have told me that if I don't get upgraded I won't get back those extra miles
Pretty rare for Plan B not to clear.

But from http://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/mileageplus/awards/travel/types.aspx click on "United air travel award rules"

"You may redeem miles for travel in United Global FirstSM, United First®, United Business® or United BusinessFirst® , even if the space is not available. In these cases, United Economy in the same award type must be confirmed, and the front cabin will be waitlisted. For example, a Saver United First award must be confirmed in Saver United Economy to be eligible for waitlisting. If the courtesy waitlist does not clear, it will expire 24 hours before itinerary departure, and you will automatically be added to the airport upgrade standby list upon check-in. In these cases, you will be confirmed on a space-available basis by a United airport representative at the gate once the flight has closed for check-in. For United BusinessFirst and United Business travel awards, the difference in miles will be refunded when the United BusinessFirst or United Business class segment of the trip could not be confirmed. Waitlist requests may only be made over the phone with your local United Reservations office"
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: yehuda S on May 23, 2014, 12:49:45 PM
Can any of the geniuses here help out?

I may want to take a flight that currently has saver availability and use plan B. I don't want to book now and end up not taking the flight for a $200 mile redeposit fee.

I'm worried that if I wait to decide, the saver will be gone.

What to do?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on May 23, 2014, 04:04:52 PM
Can any of the geniuses here help out?

I may want to take a flight that currently has saver availability and use plan B. I don't want to book now and end up not taking the flight for a $200 mile redeposit fee.

I'm worried that if I wait to decide, the saver will be gone.

What to do?
What route?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: yehuda S on May 23, 2014, 05:27:20 PM
What route?
HNL-NYC
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on May 23, 2014, 06:12:57 PM
HNL-NYC
I'd wait.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: yehuda S on May 23, 2014, 07:35:05 PM
I'd wait.
And your reasoning?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on May 24, 2014, 09:16:53 PM
And your reasoning?
It's not that hard to find nonstop availability in Y on that route. If it was EWR-TLV, I'd grab it.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: The Guy on June 03, 2014, 07:30:47 AM
It's not that hard to find nonstop availability in Y on that route. If it was EWR-TLV, I'd grab it.

Let me know if this looks good for plan B
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on June 03, 2014, 07:39:18 AM
Let me know if this looks good for plan B

I believe it needs to say "I class requested" next to it.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on June 03, 2014, 08:42:36 AM
I believe it needs to say "I class requested" next to it.
+1
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: The Guy on June 03, 2014, 09:42:29 AM
+1

thanks to all of you.

I called back now she said good job I called back because I wasn't on the waitlist.

But now I am good to go. :)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on June 03, 2014, 09:46:06 AM
thanks to all of you.

I called back now she said good job I called back because I wasn't on the waitlist.

But now I am good to go. :)
You have a 98% chance of clearing that route before even going to the airport. Just keep checking UA.com as many times it won't be upgraded automatically.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on June 03, 2014, 10:15:39 AM
thanks to all of you.

I called back now she said good job I called back because I wasn't on the waitlist.

But now I am good to go. :)
Does it say I class requested?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: The Guy on June 03, 2014, 10:24:18 AM
Does it say I class requested?


 :) :)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on June 03, 2014, 10:25:15 AM

 :) :)
That's it. :D
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on June 03, 2014, 10:29:24 AM
Another mission accomplished.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: The Guy on June 05, 2014, 03:48:10 PM
You have a 98% chance of clearing that route before even going to the airport. Just keep checking UA.com as many times it won't be upgraded automatically.

Does it help to keep calling can the agents open up something for me?
Or I need to keep looking on the web and when I see it opens that's when I call if doesn't go auto ?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on June 05, 2014, 03:49:57 PM
Does it help to keep calling can the agents open up something for me?
Or I need to keep looking on the web and when I see it opens that's when I call if doesn't go auto ?

Just need to check on the web. The agents can't open seats
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: The Guy on June 08, 2014, 04:30:16 PM
Just need to check on the web. The agents can't open seats

I see now on the status on the flight,23 seats out of 26.
What are my chances?

I don't see my name on the waiting list.(I don't see any waiting list)
I read what Dan wrote,to make sure I am on top of list,but can't find of list on names.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on June 08, 2014, 06:03:31 PM
I see now on the status on the flight,23 seats out of 26.
What are my chances?

I don't see my name on the waiting list.(I don't see any waiting list)
I read what Dan wrote,to make sure I am on top of list,but can't find of list on names.
Go early to the airport. They will add you to the waiting list over there.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on June 08, 2014, 06:07:36 PM
Go early to the airport. They will add you to the waiting list over there.

Flights 9am on the 10th, go to the airport 9am tomorrow on the 9th and you can check in within 24 hours. At least thats what Dan says to do.

Quote
So show up at the airport as early as possible for your flight (or if possible you can go to the airport 24 hours before your flight) and explain to the agent that you are not upgrading with miles but you paid for a business class ticket and are only seated in coach.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on June 08, 2014, 06:14:02 PM
I see there is F availability on that flight, would plan B work on F as well?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on June 08, 2014, 06:57:01 PM
I see there is F availability on that flight, would plan B work on F as well?
Yes.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on June 08, 2014, 07:06:38 PM
Yes.
So can he call up and ask them to deduct additional 23k miles, and than call up to clear the upgrade (there is F availability now)

Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: The Guy on June 09, 2014, 07:47:20 AM
So can he call up and ask them to deduct additional 23k miles, and than call up to clear the upgrade (there is F availability now)

YES,That is what I did now.
I saw the flight got full,25/26 so I saw my chances are very little.

So I called and she said "I could pay another 22.5k for F and it will cost $100"
So I started arguing to waive the fee,she says don't worry I will wave it,she was ready for me to ask,but they have to try there luck :D

So did Plan B work? not really, because this seat in first I could have gotten saver without Plan B,but I guess there is a small % that it doesn't go through and I had to be the one,but never mind at least my mother will enjoy the F and not be seated in coach. :D
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: The Guy on June 09, 2014, 07:49:07 AM
I see there is F availability on that flight, would plan B work on F as well?

Thanks, I didn't think of it,and it only costs another 22.5k.
It's worth it.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on June 09, 2014, 09:15:41 AM
YES,That is what I did now.
I saw the flight got full,25/26 so I saw my chances are very little.

So I called and she said "I could pay another 22.5k for F and it will cost $100"
So I started arguing to waive the fee,she says don't worry I will wave it,she was ready for me to ask,but they have to try there luck :D

So did Plan B work? not really, because this seat in first I could have gotten saver without Plan B,but I guess there is a small % that it doesn't go through and I had to be the one,but never mind at least my mother will enjoy the F and not be seated in coach. :D
-0.5 I'm still positive you would get upgraded at the gate.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on June 09, 2014, 09:18:56 AM
So can he call up and ask them to deduct additional 23k miles, and than call up to clear the upgrade (there is F availability now)
My question is, if by the time you wanna if plan B there is J availability, can you still upgrade going through the Plan B process? Obviously, not to get charged a change fee...
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: The Guy on June 09, 2014, 10:03:50 AM
My question is, if by the time you wanna if plan B there is J availability, can you still upgrade going through the Plan B process? Obviously, not to get charged a change fee...

I am not sure I understood.
But I had Plan B waiting for class I  and I took class O with no fee.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on June 09, 2014, 10:09:40 AM
I am not sure I understood.
But I had Plan B waiting for class I  and I took class O with no fee.
You got a nice agent.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: The Guy on June 09, 2014, 10:15:38 AM
-0.5 I'm still positive you would get upgraded at the gate.

especially if someone cancels,just now someone cancelled-24/26
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: alt123 on June 15, 2014, 03:58:36 PM
I see xn9 on the flight I want. Does that means I can get immediately confirmed for business with plan b?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on June 15, 2014, 04:10:30 PM
I see xn9 on the flight I want. Does that means I can get immediately confirmed for business with plan b?
No. X is coach.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: alt123 on June 15, 2014, 04:30:32 PM
I see. I need I,IN...Thanks.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: sillypainter on June 15, 2014, 05:31:10 PM
I see. I need I,IN...Thanks.

I'm afraid you're not understanding.

You need X or XN(card or elite) to clear in Y award, which entitles you to plan B.

Seeing I or IN right away doesn't require anything, just book it straight away.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: alt123 on June 15, 2014, 09:46:01 PM
I'm afraid you're not understanding.

You need X or XN(card or elite) to clear in Y award, which entitles you to plan B.

Seeing I or IN right away doesn't require anything, just book it straight away.
There is no i, in. Just y,yn.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Freddie on June 15, 2014, 10:08:59 PM
I just booked a Plan B last night for the first time. It took me an HOUR! But if it works, it will be worth it as i fly from LAX-SYD.

Look at the two photos:

--My reservation is in X but there is a note that I am awaiting I.

--70,000 miles have been deducted from my account, the price of the BUSINESS saver award from US to Australia.

I did it right?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on June 15, 2014, 10:17:29 PM
Looks good. So you ended up following my suggestion  ;)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Freddie on June 15, 2014, 10:21:26 PM
Looks good. So you ended up following my suggestion  ;)

You mean about booking NY-LAX as a paid flight? I'm about to take care of that.

My only concern is that I do not have expanded avaliablity because I am "between" United cards right now. Any advice?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on June 15, 2014, 10:22:44 PM
You mean about booking NY-LAX as a paid flight? I'm about to take care of that.
Also, but I think I mentioned the LAX-SYD flight as well. Any way lets not get off topic  :)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: sillypainter on June 15, 2014, 11:31:10 PM
There is no i, in. Just y,yn.

No such thing as Y or YN for award.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on June 15, 2014, 11:34:20 PM
No such thing as Y or YN for award.
-1. YN is expanded coach standard award.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: sillypainter on June 16, 2014, 12:15:33 AM
-1. YN is expanded coach standard award.

That's called XN.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: alt123 on June 16, 2014, 12:39:49 AM
I got the following...Fare Class: United Economy (X) - (I class requested). Can I open a United Explorer Card now to get IN status?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on June 16, 2014, 12:45:48 AM
That's called XN.
XN is expanded saver. YN is expanded standard.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Freddie on June 16, 2014, 12:52:09 AM
I got the following...Fare Class: United Economy (X) - (I class requested). Can I open a United Explorer Card now to get IN status?

I have the same question.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: sillypainter on June 16, 2014, 01:23:21 AM
I have the same question.

IN is for elites only.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Freddie on June 16, 2014, 01:24:35 AM
IN is for elites only.

Yes, we know that. That wasn't the question. The question was about getting a card real fast to qualify for expanded availability.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: alt123 on June 16, 2014, 03:35:25 AM
IN is for elites only.
will the card help for free second bag?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: alt123 on June 17, 2014, 05:24:43 PM
I got the following...Fare Class: United Economy (X) - (I class requested).
Does R1,RN1 mean that a business saver seat opened? Also, I have 2 reservations waiting for business, will they upgrade 1 seat at a time automatically or do they wait till 2 seats open?
Thanks
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on June 17, 2014, 05:26:28 PM
Does R1,RN1 mean that a business saver seat opened? Also, I have 2 reservations waiting for business, will they upgrade 1 seat at a time automatically or do they wait till 2 seats open?
Thanks
You need I. R is confirmable upgrade space. Doesn't help you until you get PR1 at the airport.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: kangarruu on June 17, 2014, 05:43:36 PM
Does R1,RN1 mean that a business saver seat opened? Also, I have 2 reservations waiting for business, will they upgrade 1 seat at a time automatically or do they wait till 2 seats open?
Thanks

My last reservation got upgraded one seat at a time.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: alt123 on June 17, 2014, 06:12:00 PM
My last reservation got upgraded one seat at a time.
Was it automatic or u called in?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: kangarruu on June 17, 2014, 06:50:34 PM
Was it automatic or u called in?

Automatic
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: efflpetzel on June 19, 2014, 02:22:41 AM

Automatic
how long before the flight?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: alt123 on June 24, 2014, 01:40:43 AM
I set up Plan B one week ago, traveling in 7 weeks. When does it typically upgrade?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Freddie on June 24, 2014, 11:58:48 AM
I set up Plan B one week ago, traveling in 7 weeks. When does it typically upgrade?

Mine is in less than one week, still nothing.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: alt123 on June 24, 2014, 11:23:52 PM
Mine is in less than one week, still nothing.
How long were you waiting? Would it help to call United?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Freddie on June 26, 2014, 11:40:44 AM
My flight from LAX to SYD leaves Sunday night at 10pm and still I have not been moved to I class although I set up my plan B several weeks ago.

Here is my question:

There is Saver FIRST available. Should I just skip Plan B and move myself to first for an extra 10k miles?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on June 26, 2014, 11:41:42 AM

My flight from LAX to SYD leaves Sunday night at 10pm and still I have not been moved to I class although I set up my plan B several weeks ago.

Here is my question:

There is Saver FIRST available. Should I just skip Plan B and move myself to first for an extra 10k miles?

Why not? Not 10k more its worth it.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on June 26, 2014, 11:42:16 AM
My flight from LAX to SYD leaves Sunday night at 10pm and still I have not been moved to I class although I set up my plan B several weeks ago.

Here is my question:

There is Saver FIRST available. Should I just skip Plan B and move myself to first for an extra 10k miles?
I think Global first is supposed to be a lot nicer than BusinessFirst on that plane.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on June 26, 2014, 11:42:20 AM
My flight from LAX to SYD leaves Sunday night at 10pm and still I have not been moved to I class although I set up my plan B several weeks ago.

Here is my question:

There is Saver FIRST available. Should I just skip Plan B and move myself to first for an extra 10k miles?
That's what I'd do.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Freddie on June 26, 2014, 11:46:05 AM
Wow! A beis din! Three DDFers all agree!

Okay, so how do I do it? I don't want to pay any close-in or change fees.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: The Guy on June 26, 2014, 11:53:27 AM
Wow! A beis din! Three DDFers all agree!

Okay, so how do I do it? I don't want to pay any close-in or change fees.

You wont have to pay the fee to upgrade,I had this 2 weeks ago and they just took the extra miles with no fee.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on June 26, 2014, 12:51:41 PM
Wow! A beis din! Three DDFers all agree!

Okay, so how do I do it? I don't want to pay any close-in or change fees.
Technically you have to pay the change fee but you should be able to find someone to do it over the phone for free.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Freddie on June 26, 2014, 02:31:06 PM
Okay, I changed to a First class for 10k more miles. There was no fee, just 2 dollars in taxes more.

I think it was the right thing especially since I just did PIT-JFK-LHR and BRU-PHL-PIT over the past few days. No, I actually KNOW it was the right thing.

Thanks for the guidance, guys.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: alt123 on June 27, 2014, 01:16:06 AM
If only one segment is confirmed in business class, do I still pay the full award fare? Does it matter which leg is confirmed, domestic or int'l?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: alt123 on June 29, 2014, 12:09:19 AM
If only one segment is confirmed in business class, do I still pay the full award fare? Does it matter which leg is confirmed, domestic or int'l?
BUMP
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on June 29, 2014, 12:19:59 AM
Why don't you read Dan's post again?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: alt123 on June 29, 2014, 01:21:48 PM
Dan's post: "Say you are coming from Los Angeles, even if you clear into first class on the LAX-EWR flight, as long as you don’t clear on the international EWR-TLV flight you will still get the 20,000 miles each way refund!"
Sounds like if I clear on int'l but not domestic, no refund. Correct?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on June 29, 2014, 01:22:39 PM
Dan's post: "Say you are coming from Los Angeles, even if you clear into first class on the LAX-EWR flight, as long as you don’t clear on the international EWR-TLV flight you will still get the 20,000 miles each way refund!"
Sounds like if I clear on int'l but not domestic, no refund. Correct?
Correct.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: alt123 on June 29, 2014, 02:31:38 PM
I can do plan B either CLE-ORD-CDG or CLE-EWR-CDG. Is there better chance to get the upgrade through Chicago?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on June 29, 2014, 02:33:25 PM
I can do plan B either CLE-ORD-CDG or CLE-EWR-CDG. Is there better chance to get the upgrade through Chicago?

is it a bigger plane from ord? how do the loads look like?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: alt123 on June 29, 2014, 06:54:54 PM
is it a bigger plane from ord? how do the loads look like?
Both are 777-200. Is there more demand for that route from NY area?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on July 07, 2014, 04:51:29 AM
How good is TLV staff at checkin for Plan B?

I have a good opportunity for a flight this week. J=9 EWR-TLV, UA85. UA90 has J=2 but would do UA85 since it looks better.

I just don't want to transfer points over from UR if it they don't know to do it here.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on July 07, 2014, 09:42:45 AM
How good is TLV staff at checkin for Plan B?

I have a good opportunity for a flight this week. J=9 EWR-TLV, UA85. UA90 has J=2 but would do UA85 since it looks better.

I just don't want to transfer points over from UR if it they don't know to do it here.
I would go for it. Just go early enough to the airport.

When did you book the economy seat?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on July 07, 2014, 09:45:25 AM
I would go for it. Just go early enough to the airport.

When did you book the economy seat?

Didn't book it yet. Thinking if its worth an extra 30k miles
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ckey on July 15, 2014, 07:53:59 AM
I have a Plan B booked, and it says "IN class requested" even though we are only Premier Silver. I thought as silver it should be I. Will it still work?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Joe4007 on July 15, 2014, 08:08:51 AM
I have a Plan B booked, and it says "IN class requested" even though we are only Premier Silver. I thought as silver it should be I. Will it still work?
Do you have the United CC?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ckey on July 15, 2014, 08:15:59 AM
Do you have the United CC?
Yes, but that usually only helps for XN not for IN.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: hr555 on July 15, 2014, 08:18:42 AM
I did Plan B EWR-ZRH for 2 PAX & it worked beautifully. I was watching Expert Mode for the same flight over a few days. They all had C9 X9 I0. Two days before the flight “I” opened up. The same happened to my date, but did not upgrade automatically. I asked “United to call me”. The first rep (sounded like an overseas rep) wanted to charge me $50 change fee plus additional taxes, which made no sense. I did HUCA & got a United.com rep which cleared me. Thanks Dan & all for your advice!!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Joe4007 on July 15, 2014, 08:34:01 AM
Huh?

XN means he has the UA CC, which gives more availability.

IN is extra biz avialabilty for elites.

So even if he's in XN, that has nothing to do with IN.
From Dan's post (http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/38212) it seems like you also get IN with a UMPE. Am I missing something here?
Quote
XN is expanded saver coach award space for logged-in elites and people who have the Chase United Explorer credit card. (That’s an incredibly valuable benefit of having the card, especially for a Plan B award as you’ll have expanded coach, business, and first class saver award space as well.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ckey on July 15, 2014, 08:39:24 AM
From Dan's post (http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/38212) it seems like you also get IN with a UMPE. Am I missing something here?

On a standard search, CC holders only show XN, not IN. I think Dan just meant that by having increased coach availability, we can initiate a plan B (which requires coach availability) more easily. But I don't think it should allow me to book into IN.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Joe4007 on July 15, 2014, 08:44:47 AM
On a standard search, CC holders only show XN, not IN. I think Dan just meant that by having increased coach availability, we can initiate a plan B (which requires coach availability) more easily. But I don't think it should allow me to book into IN.
Maybe, but I think his post is pretty clear as to what he meant.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ckey on July 15, 2014, 08:49:33 AM
Maybe, but I think his post is pretty clear as to what he meant.
Can we ask him to comment?  :)

Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on July 15, 2014, 09:12:53 AM
I have a Plan B booked, and it says "IN class requested" even though we are only Premier Silver. I thought as silver it should be I. Will it still work?
IN is better than just I. IN is not to the exclusion of I, rather it includes all seats in the I bucket as well as additional seats in the IN bucket.
Nothing to worry about.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ckey on July 15, 2014, 09:26:02 AM
IN is better than just I. IN is not to the exclusion of I, rather it includes all seats in the I bucket as well as additional seats in the IN bucket.
Nothing to worry about.

I understand that, my concern is if I am not eligible for IN then I may not get anything.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on July 15, 2014, 10:14:13 AM
I understand that, my concern is if I am not eligible for IN then I may not get anything.
Nothing to worry about.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: zh cohen on July 17, 2014, 04:50:25 PM
After reading this whole thread (and the main site post of course) I am about to attempt my first Plan B, but I have one question.

The flight I want to book is from EWR-SFO. If I do not get confirmed until 24 hours before the flight, would an airport agent in JFK be able to give me PR-1 status, or would I have to go to EWR? (I want to be on top of the PR-1 list, but i don't want to shlep to EWR the day before the flight.)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on July 17, 2014, 05:10:03 PM

After reading this whole thread (and the main site post of course) I am about to attempt my first Plan B, but I have one question.

The flight I want to book is from EWR-SFO. If I do not get confirmed until 24 hours before the flight, would an airport agent in JFK be able to give me PR-1 status, or would I have to go to EWR? (I want to be on top of the PR-1 list, but i don't want to shlep to EWR the day before the flight.)

Your first airport should be able to do it
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: zh cohen on July 17, 2014, 05:20:03 PM
Your first airport should be able to do it

I am not flying from JFK at all. I just want to go there instead of EWR because it is closer to where I live. Would it still work?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on July 17, 2014, 06:19:08 PM

I am not flying from JFK at all. I just want to go there instead of EWR because it is closer to where I live. Would it still work?

I dont see why not. Checking in is checking in.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: zh cohen on July 17, 2014, 06:30:34 PM
I dont see why not. Checking in is checking in.

And I can check in at JFK for a flight from EWR?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on July 17, 2014, 06:46:41 PM

And I can check in at JFK for a flight from EWR?

Why not? Checking in doesnt have to do with the airport. But on the other hand i can also be totally wrong.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Super Speed on July 17, 2014, 06:49:36 PM

Why not? Checking in doesnt have to do with the airport. But on the other hand i can also be totally wrong.
Theres a reason you should go to the airport for plan B and not just check in online so I would assume you need to go to the airport you're flying from but I have no clue.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on July 17, 2014, 06:52:41 PM

Theres a reason you should go to the airport for plan B and not just check in online so I would assume you need to go to the airport you're flying from but I have no clue.

Thats just because you cant do it online yourself and you dont have their internal system, but any checkin counter should have the same system to set up plan B
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Super Speed on July 17, 2014, 06:54:06 PM

Thats just because you cant do it online yourself and you dont have their internal system, but any checkin counter should have the same system to set up plan B
I hear ya.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Armadillo on July 20, 2014, 12:09:17 PM
If I have a flight booked in business in a few weeks and I want to switch to this Thursday and use Plan B, will I get stuck with close-in fees?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on July 20, 2014, 12:23:08 PM
If I have a flight booked in business in a few weeks and I want to switch to this Thursday and use Plan B, will I get stuck with close-in fees?
Switch = change + close in fee.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: KidOOO on July 20, 2014, 10:42:10 PM
Question:

If i am booking TLV-ZRH-NYC first leg is LX and has Saver Business, second leg is UA but only saver coach.

Can i book this as a plan B ? (would pay price for whole ticket in business and if UA leg opens up will get that in business)

if this can be done, what will happen if the UA leg ends up not opening up, will i get refund for diff in whole ticket or just for that leg?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on July 20, 2014, 10:46:19 PM
Question:

If i am booking TLV-ZRH-NYC first leg is LX and has Saver Business, second leg is UA but only saver coach.

Can i book this as a plan B ? (would pay price for whole ticket in business and if UA leg opens up will get that in business)

if this can be done, what will happen if the UA leg ends up not opening up, will i get refund for diff in whole ticket or just for that leg?
Yes. It can be done. You'll probably get a refund if it doesn't open up in the long haul flight.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: KidOOO on July 20, 2014, 10:50:39 PM
Yes. It can be done. You'll probably get a refund if it doesn't open up in the long haul flight.

Thanks,

will the rate for this itn be 70K or 80K
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on July 20, 2014, 10:59:23 PM
Thanks,

will the rate for this itn be 70K or 80K
80k
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: yankel on July 27, 2014, 05:01:46 PM
I hope I did this correctly. I booked EWR to HNL with Saver awards and called did the internet callback. They waitlisted me for BusinessFirst and deducted the miles. (for business saver award) When I look at the reservation it says:

YOU ARE BOOKED IN XN AND HAVE REQUESTED A CHANGE TO IN. IF IN SPACE OPENS UP YOU WILL AUTOMATICALLY BE SWITCHED TO IN.

Also it is 33 days before the flight and only 5 businessfirst have been taken.

Did I do good? or was I supposed to book it entirely over the phone?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: bubble347 on July 27, 2014, 05:21:48 PM
I hope I did this correctly. I booked EWR to HNL with Saver awards and called did the internet callback. They waitlisted me for BusinessFirst and deducted the miles. (for business saver award) When I look at the reservation it says:

YOU ARE BOOKED IN XN AND HAVE REQUESTED A CHANGE TO IN. IF IN SPACE OPENS UP YOU WILL AUTOMATICALLY BE SWITCHED TO IN.

Also it is 33 days before the flight and only 5 businessfirst have been taken.

Did I do good? or was I supposed to book it entirely over the phone?
Sound perfect.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on July 27, 2014, 06:26:15 PM

Also it is 33 days before the flight and only 5 businessfirst have been taken.

How do you know?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: yankel on July 27, 2014, 07:57:06 PM
How do you know?

By seat selection it was highlighted as available. That is not to say the five that were not avalable were booked. They could have been held as per airline policies etc.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on July 27, 2014, 10:55:35 PM
By seat selection it was highlighted as available. That is not to say the five that were not avalable were booked. They could have been held as per airline policies etc.
And it can be that 10 people booked as well.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: yankel on July 28, 2014, 08:32:03 AM
And it can be that 10 people booked as well.

You mean they booked but didnt select seats? Wouldnt it be done randomely for them.
Also. Is there A way to see the upgrade list?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on July 28, 2014, 08:48:43 AM
You mean they booked but didnt select seats? Wouldnt it be done randomely for them.
Also. Is there A way to see the upgrade list?

Can only see upgrade list a day or two before, at least I think.

And yes, people could be booked just don't have a seat yet. The system doesn't always automatically give someone a seat.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: bubble347 on July 28, 2014, 09:52:47 AM
How do you know?
Is ef entirely accurate?
Title: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: efflpetzel on July 29, 2014, 11:00:49 AM
Just wondering, I set up a successful plan b with a united card for expanded upgrade availability.
If I close this card now will it impact my plan b
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on July 29, 2014, 11:28:16 AM
Just wondering, I set up a successful plan b with a united card for expanded upgrade availability.
If I close this card now will it impact my plan b
No.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: efflpetzel on July 29, 2014, 11:30:38 AM

No.
specifically the XN upgrade availability?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on July 29, 2014, 12:51:10 PM
specifically the XN upgrade availability?
No means no.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: efflpetzel on July 29, 2014, 12:51:32 PM
Thanks!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: yankel on July 29, 2014, 05:10:06 PM
I hope I did this correctly. I booked EWR to HNL with Saver awards and called did the internet callback. They waitlisted me for BusinessFirst and deducted the miles. (for business saver award) When I look at the reservation it says:

YOU ARE BOOKED IN XN AND HAVE REQUESTED A CHANGE TO IN. IF IN SPACE OPENS UP YOU WILL AUTOMATICALLY BE SWITCHED TO IN.

Also it is 33 days before the flight and only 5 businessfirst have been taken.

Did I do good? or was I supposed to book it entirely over the phone?

Yay! Ewr to hnl cleared.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: efflpetzel on July 29, 2014, 11:51:54 PM
Yay! Ewr to hnl cleared.
how did you get them to waitlist you for IN?
Are you a 1K?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MEIR613 on July 30, 2014, 12:26:19 AM
how did you get them to waitlist you for IN?
Are you a 1K?
I've seen this a couple times already when doing Plan B that they waitlisted to IN even though the pax and the account weren't elite.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: bubble347 on July 30, 2014, 12:30:56 AM
how did you get them to waitlist you for IN?
Are you a 1K?
Would being a United card holder give you IN?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: efflpetzel on July 30, 2014, 12:31:22 AM
No
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on July 30, 2014, 12:37:13 AM
I've seen this a couple times already when doing Plan B that they waitlisted to IN even though the pax and the account weren't elite.
+1. Someone reported the same thing a few days ago up thread.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: efflpetzel on July 30, 2014, 12:39:56 AM
would I be able to call up & ask for them to modify my plan b to IN instead of I,
I'm thinking doubtful? though its a big advantage
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: yankel on July 30, 2014, 09:49:26 AM
Could be cause i have the club card?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on July 30, 2014, 09:52:51 AM
I've seen this a couple times already when doing Plan B that they waitlisted to IN even though the pax and the account weren't elite.
Seen it more than once too.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: alt123 on July 31, 2014, 03:08:10 PM
Just cleared in business saver EWR-CDG for 2 passengers. Flight is in 2 weeks. Thanks everyone.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on July 31, 2014, 03:10:12 PM
Just cleared in business saver EWR-CDG for 2 passengers. Flight is in 2 weeks. Thanks everyone.
Way to go!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Joe4007 on July 31, 2014, 03:14:16 PM
I've seen this a couple times already when doing Plan B that they waitlisted to IN even though the pax and the account weren't elite.
Seen it more than once too.
Did they have the UA card?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on July 31, 2014, 03:15:45 PM
No and UA card doesn't give access to IN anyways.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AharonInIsrael on August 17, 2014, 02:29:33 AM
I set up a OW Plan B correctly from TLV to EWR for my mother (booked in X requesting I; took out 75k miles), and the flight leaves tonight.

I saw that a bunch of people upthread had asked about experience leaving TLV using a Plan B, but didn't see any responses. So, has anyone actually done this? Is there a specific person/desk that you would recommend dealing with there?
TIA!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on August 17, 2014, 02:38:52 AM
I set up a OW Plan B correctly from TLV to EWR for my mother (booked in X requesting I; took out 75k miles), and the flight leaves tonight.

I saw that a bunch of people upthread had asked about experience leaving TLV using a Plan B, but didn't see any responses. So, has anyone actually done this? Is there a specific person/desk that you would recommend dealing with there?
TIA!
How come 75k and not 70k?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AharonInIsrael on August 17, 2014, 05:51:53 AM
How come 75k and not 70k?
Good point, sorry that's what I meant.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AharonInIsrael on August 17, 2014, 09:04:34 AM
How come 75k and not 70k?
I just checked again, and saw that they actually charged me 75k, not 70k. Not sure why they did that, but will that make trouble at the airport?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on August 17, 2014, 09:19:41 AM
I just checked again, and saw that they actually charged me 75k, not 70k. Not sure why they did that, but will that make trouble at the airport?
Post a screenshot of your res.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AharonInIsrael on August 17, 2014, 09:40:21 AM
Below. Since it's within 24 hours it switched from I class requested to R requested.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on August 17, 2014, 09:43:26 AM
Below. Since it's within 24 hours it switched from I class requested to R requested.
You no good....

ETA, I just saw what you're saying that it switched from from I to R. Interesting never heard of that R class gesheft.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AharonInIsrael on August 17, 2014, 09:44:19 AM
Also, here's the account info. I originally booked a business flight on a partner airline, and then switched to a Plan B.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AharonInIsrael on August 17, 2014, 09:47:27 AM
You no good....

ETA, I just saw what you're saying that it switched from from I to R. Interesting never heard of that R class gesheft.
I'm sure that it said I class requested till this morning. I hope I'm not seeing things.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on August 17, 2014, 09:47:49 AM
Also, here's the account info. I originally booked a business flight on a partner airline, and then switched to a Plan B.
See my ETA. Can you post a screenshot of the receipt?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on August 17, 2014, 09:49:15 AM
I'm sure that it said I class requested till this morning. I hope I'm not seeing things.
You're not looking for R class. But I am not sure maybe that's standard.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: sillypainter on August 17, 2014, 09:58:22 AM
R class is cash + miles upgrade.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on August 17, 2014, 09:59:34 AM
R class is cash + miles upgrade.
-0.5   R class is upgrade class, period.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: sillypainter on August 17, 2014, 10:00:32 AM
Where on the list are you http://www.united.com/web/en-US/apps/travel/flightstatus/results.aspx?NFT=US ?

Are you #4?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AharonInIsrael on August 17, 2014, 10:02:57 AM
Where on the list are you http://www.united.com/web/en-US/apps/travel/flightstatus/results.aspx?NFT=US ?

Are you #4?
Not yet on the list. I need to check in first, no? We're leaving shortly to the airport.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: sillypainter on August 17, 2014, 10:04:20 AM
Not yet on the list. I need to check in first, no? We're leaving shortly to the airport.

Meh. Hope you'll have luck with this. It's a jam packed flight. But there are still 5 biz seats available.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on August 17, 2014, 10:06:37 AM
Not yet on the list. I need to check in first, no? We're leaving shortly to the airport.
Check in online?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AharonInIsrael on August 17, 2014, 10:15:11 AM
Meh. Hope you'll have luck with this. It's a jam packed flight. But there are still 5 biz seats available.
Thanks! I'll keep you updated :)
Check in online?
Does checking in online make getting put on the top of the list any more difficult?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on August 17, 2014, 10:33:18 AM
I'm sure that it said I class requested till this morning. I hope I'm not seeing things.
You are good. It switches to R class because you are now on the upgrade list.
You need to get to the airport to get PR-1 status.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AharonInIsrael on August 17, 2014, 10:34:13 AM
You are good. It switches to R class because you are now on the upgrade list.
You need to get to the airport to get PR-1 status.
Great! Thanks for the calming effect your words have had on our household :)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: sillypainter on August 17, 2014, 10:54:34 AM
You are good. It switches to R class because you are now on the upgrade list.
You need to get to the airport to get PR-1 status.

He says he is not on the list.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on August 17, 2014, 11:03:51 AM
He says he is not on the list.
Or that. Either way, the upgrade is not clearing unless he gets to the airport asap and gets PR-1.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on August 17, 2014, 11:59:06 AM
Or that. Either way, the upgrade is not clearing unless he gets to the airport asap and gets PR-1.
When I got switched from I to R class on  the day of departure I just called and they conformed a seat over the phone. I just pointed out that I'd already paid for the seats and they still had some available. The agent was kind of surprised I wasn't already ticketed so she did it for me.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AharonInIsrael on August 17, 2014, 12:56:39 PM
When I got switched from I to R class on  the day of departure I just called and they conformed a seat over the phone. I just pointed out that I'd already paid for the seats and they still had some available. The agent was kind of surprised I wasn't already ticketed so she did it for me.
Wow, that's really great. I think it's too late for us to try that as we already checked in online. I'm at the airport now but there's no one at a ticketing counter yet, and the flights only three and a half hours away!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on August 17, 2014, 01:08:33 PM
Wow, that's really great. I think it's too late for us to try that as we already checked in online. I'm at the airport now but there's no one at a ticketing counter yet, and the flights only three and a half hours away!
Often they don't show up until 2-3 hours before the flight. Just wait in line so you'll be first served when they do show up.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AharonInIsrael on August 17, 2014, 01:23:30 PM
So no one here knew what we were talking about. They said they cant look up the ggstandby thing, but a ticketing agent will come soon and he can
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: HolyNyc on August 17, 2014, 02:19:05 PM
what happened in the end? r1 left
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AharonInIsrael on August 17, 2014, 03:46:00 PM
Okay, so she didn't get upgraded in the end. I feel kinda bummed out, and want to figure out what I may have done wrong so that I can fix it next time, whether 1) something was wrong with the booking 2) I didn't do a good enough job at the airport convincing them 3) it's just not a good idea to do try this leaving TLV.

I thought the booking was okay- I had switched it from a stopover to a direct flight (which I understood above was okay), and it was listed as X class requesting I class until this morning, when I received an email that she would be added to the upgrade list, as no I class had opened up. At this point the reservation said X class requesting R class.

We got to Ben Gurion 3.5 hours before after doing online check-in, only to find that there is no United Ticketing counter in the airport and the desk agents only arrive about 3 hours before the flight. We spoke to the desk agent as well as the supervisor, mentioning the fact that my mother was a displaced business passenger who had payed the business award rate, asking for PR-1 waitlist status, and mentioning "gg onestandby". The supervisor said that she understood that "gg whatever" was part of their system, but claimed she couldn't look it up and that we'd need to wait for a ticketing agent, who would be arriving shortly.

The ticketing agent came and told us that my mother would be at the bottom of the waitlist. I mentioned all of the above again, and she said that the reservation said that she was placed in economy and asked for an upgrade. When I said that she had payed the business rate and that didn't make sense, she said that their records showed the reservation had been changed, so that must have been the cause for the confusion. When I mentioned  a friend had said we should ask for PR-1 status, she was confused how we knew what that was (and even seemed a bit upset), and said to tell our friend (hi Dan!) that her reservation stated she was to have PR-3 status.

Since she seemed to be the only person who could do anything, and didn't want to help us, we gave up. I called United from the airport using the Web Callback option to see if there was anything to do on that end, but they said there was not.

I would really appreciate any advice for the next time, especially if people have actually been able to take care of the Plan B at TLV itself.
TIA
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: slnyc on August 17, 2014, 05:08:43 PM
Hi - I just booked a flight SYD-SFO-EWR. The UA agent wait-listed me (plan B) on the SYD-SFO segment, and said that I would be wait-listed on SFO-EWR if and when SYD-SFO clears. Is that accurate? Does it automatically happen or do I need to call UA once I'm cleared for SYD-SFO? Thanks. 
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on August 17, 2014, 05:16:06 PM
No, HUCA
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: slnyc on August 17, 2014, 05:20:59 PM
Thanks. Just to clarify - i should be wait listed for both segments?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on August 17, 2014, 05:45:22 PM
Okay, so she didn't get upgraded in the end. I feel kinda bummed out, and want to figure out what I may have done wrong so that I can fix it next time, whether 1) something was wrong with the booking 2) I didn't do a good enough job at the airport convincing them 3) it's just not a good idea to do try this leaving TLV.

I thought the booking was okay- I had switched it from a stopover to a direct flight (which I understood above was okay), and it was listed as X class requesting I class until this morning, when I received an email that she would be added to the upgrade list, as no I class had opened up. At this point the reservation said X class requesting R class.

We got to Ben Gurion 3.5 hours before after doing online check-in, only to find that there is no United Ticketing counter in the airport and the desk agents only arrive about 3 hours before the flight. We spoke to the desk agent as well as the supervisor, mentioning the fact that my mother was a displaced business passenger who had payed the business award rate, asking for PR-1 waitlist status, and mentioning "gg onestandby". The supervisor said that she understood that "gg whatever" was part of their system, but claimed she couldn't look it up and that we'd need to wait for a ticketing agent, who would be arriving shortly.

The ticketing agent came and told us that my mother would be at the bottom of the waitlist. I mentioned all of the above again, and she said that the reservation said that she was placed in economy and asked for an upgrade. When I said that she had payed the business rate and that didn't make sense, she said that their records showed the reservation had been changed, so that must have been the cause for the confusion. When I mentioned  a friend had said we should ask for PR-1 status, she was confused how we knew what that was (and even seemed a bit upset), and said to tell our friend (hi Dan!) that her reservation stated she was to have PR-3 status.

Since she seemed to be the only person who could do anything, and didn't want to help us, we gave up. I called United from the airport using the Web Callback option to see if there was anything to do on that end, but they said there was not.

I would really appreciate any advice for the next time, especially if people have actually been able to take care of the Plan B at TLV itself.
TIA
It's probably 2 and 3. You tried to get PR-1 status at check in? Maybe it's a good idea to starts asking for a ticketing agent over there. Did you tell them to look up lines 85-89 or just gg onestandby?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: slnyc on August 17, 2014, 07:10:10 PM
No, HUCA

Thanks. Called again and got an agent who knew exactly what I needed. She explained that the previous agent only booked me on SYD-SFO and not SFO-EWR because the agent thought that if I was cleared only on SFO-EWR and not SYD-SFO, I would still be charged the full mileage for SYD-EWR - an international b/c ticket.

She then wait listed me on both, and explained that UA would contact me if I was cleared on either segment to confirm I still wanted the upgrade. She said they do this because if I'm only cleared on SFO-EWR and not SYD-SFO I'm probably not going to want to spend international b/c miles on a domestic b/c. Makes sense to me. 
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on August 17, 2014, 07:12:58 PM
Even if SFO-EWR clears you can still get a full refund.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: slnyc on August 17, 2014, 07:27:18 PM
Even if SFO-EWR clears you can still get a full refund.

A full refund meaning I can fly coach from SYD-SFO and business from SFO-EWR for the cost of a coach ticket (40K)?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on August 17, 2014, 08:13:24 PM
A full refund meaning I can fly coach from SYD-SFO and business from SFO-EWR for the cost of a coach ticket (40K)?
Correct, read the Wiki.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: moish on August 26, 2014, 10:56:10 AM
Is it possible to/has anyone been successful in getting PR-1 status for the following:

i booked a flight tlv-ewr-lax and only the tlv-ewr portion had business availability so i paid the miles for buisness and im sitting in coach for ewr-lax. i would think i should at least be considered a displaced business class passenger for the ewr-lax segment. whats the best way to go about this?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on August 26, 2014, 11:02:00 AM
Yes.

However the odds are that the outsourced TLV agents won't know how to do it so you'll have to do it in EWR, at which point J will probably be full.

Are you waitlisted for I class?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on August 26, 2014, 11:23:23 AM
Is it possible to/has anyone been successful in getting PR-1 status for the following:

i booked a flight tlv-ewr-lax and only the tlv-ewr portion had business availability so i paid the miles for buisness and im sitting in coach for ewr-lax. i would think i should at least be considered a displaced business class passenger for the ewr-lax segment. whats the best way to go about this?
I had a similar experience GIG-IAH-PHL on UA. We got J on GIG-IAH, but J was sold out for IAH-PHL. We were waitlisted, but the cabin was sold out days in advance so it didn't help us much when everyone checked in and made the flight. We just sat in coach.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: moish on August 26, 2014, 11:37:46 AM
Yes.

However the odds are that the outsourced TLV agents won't know how to do it so you'll have to do it in EWR, at which point J will probably be full.

Are you waitlisted for I class?
im not currently waitlisted for anything, but i watch the space like a hawk
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Million Miler on August 27, 2014, 10:36:47 PM
Tried to get the staff at EWR to set up PR-1 status today... Noone knew anything... Said exactly what was posted in the article...  :(
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on August 27, 2014, 10:49:36 PM
Well my Shver and Shvigger both got PR1 in EWR tonight and wound up in BF :)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Million Miler on August 27, 2014, 10:51:11 PM
I stopped by EWR 20 hours before my flight, i had my res set up exactly how Dan said it should look,the waitlist online changed from IN class to R class 24 Hours before the flight, spoke to supervisors and special services they all had another reason why it could not be done... one said they dont touch miles tickets, one said they cant deal with it as the mileage account (1K) is not under my name, one said call reservations and they will help you... Does anyone have any suggestions how to proceed?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Million Miler on August 27, 2014, 10:53:39 PM
OMG Dan, Do you know who they spoke to there, I felt like I was talking to a brick wall!!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on August 27, 2014, 10:56:23 PM
I stopped by EWR 20 hours before my flight, i had my res set up exactly how Dan said it should look,the waitlist online changed from IN class to R class 24 Hours before the flight, spoke to supervisors and special services they all had another reason why it could not be done... one said they dont touch miles tickets, one said they cant deal with it as the mileage account (1K) is not under my name, one said call reservations and they will help you... Does anyone have any suggestions how to proceed?
I called reservations before I checked in and they confirmed it for me.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Million Miler on August 27, 2014, 11:00:27 PM
they didn't argue with the fact that i paid for biz, they just said that i should call reservations and they'll take care of it for me.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on August 27, 2014, 11:01:59 PM
I called reservations before I checked in and they confirmed it for me.
Because there was I or IN class available. He is talking about getting PR-1 status.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on August 27, 2014, 11:26:04 PM
OMG Dan, Do you know who they spoke to there, I felt like I was talking to a brick wall!!
Any competent agent can do it.  My guess is they did it in the club.
Very proud of them :)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: lunatic on August 27, 2014, 11:47:00 PM
Any competent agent can do it.  My guess is they did it in the club.
Very proud of them :)
Seems like they have a good teacher
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Freddie on August 28, 2014, 12:00:21 AM
Any competent agent can do it.  My guess is they did it in the club.
Very proud of them :)

B'chlal you get much better service in any club/lounge for everything.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: D93 on August 28, 2014, 11:51:25 AM
Just booked a plan b ticket EWR-TLV on 8/31.. what if I don't get my business class seat by the counter and only when I go to the club, I'm bringing 2 suitcases, will I get reimbursed the $100 that they charge me by the counter?
Also on DDMS article it says "if business saver award space opens then you may be automatically moved into business or there may be a message to call in to clear you from the waitlist." how would I received this message?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: D93 on August 28, 2014, 06:36:55 PM
On the United app, by "upgrades" it says booked 43 (+1 blocked). What does "1 blocked mean"?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on August 28, 2014, 06:43:51 PM
Pilot rest seat?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: D93 on August 30, 2014, 09:14:13 PM
26 hours before my flight, i got an email that my BusinessFirst was confirmed, no need to go early to airport tomorrow (except to enjoy the club!!)!!!
thanx so much Dan for spelling out so easily how to set up a plan-b!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: zh cohen on September 02, 2014, 12:09:39 PM
My wife and I flew from EWR to SFO on Aug. 19. I booked a plan B reservation, but we were not seated in business class (the business class checked in full...).

I just called up to get back the extra 25k back. The call back number said they can't see any of my reservation details, because the travel date has already passed. (Once I gave them my MileagePlus number they saw the receipt, but nothing else.)

They transfered me to the Mileage desk, and they told me that in their records I had a Standard level Economy award, and I would not be getting any refund.

Is this just a HUCA situation, or did I do something wrong?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on September 02, 2014, 12:20:38 PM
My wife and I flew from EWR to SFO on Aug. 19. I booked a plan B reservation, but we were not seated in business class (the business class checked in full...).

I just called up to get back the extra 25k back. The call back number said they can't see any of my reservation details, because the travel date has already passed. (Once I gave them my MileagePlus number they saw the receipt, but nothing else.)

They transfered me to the Mileage desk, and they told me that in their records I had a Standard level Economy award, and I would not be getting any refund.

Is this just a HUCA situation, or did I do something wrong?
Did you originally book in X class with I class requested?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: zh cohen on September 02, 2014, 01:21:14 PM
Did you originally book in X class with I class requested?

Yes
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on September 02, 2014, 01:23:13 PM
Yes
If that's the case and you went through the process in the airport with PR-1, and you didn't fly a longer, international leg already in J than you should be able to get a refund.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on September 02, 2014, 01:32:31 PM
If that's the case and you went through the process in the airport with PR-1, and you didn't fly a longer, international leg already in J than you should be able to get a refund.
+1 just HUCA
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: zh cohen on September 02, 2014, 04:05:08 PM
+1 just HUCA

I keep getting sent to contact different departments...

They told me that the reservation information is purged from the system 7-10 days after the flight, and they can't look it up anymore.

Time to HUCA for the 5th time...
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: D93 on September 02, 2014, 05:32:21 PM
I keep getting sent to contact different departments...

They told me that the reservation information is purged from the system 7-10 days after the flight, and they can't look it up anymore.

Time to HUCA for the 5th time...
why can't they look at your miles activity and send them your ticket info?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: D93 on September 02, 2014, 05:49:03 PM
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/38212
"Update: A commenter says he was told by an agent that they will no longer do this process."? Who is this "commenter"?
Total garbage. I just booked a plan b last week for a EWR - TLV flight and had no issue at all. And the first call back rep set it up for me perfectly. Took a total of 10 minutes on the phone. That's it.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on September 02, 2014, 05:50:30 PM
Comment on the post.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on September 02, 2014, 06:14:55 PM
I feel like Plan B has gotten enough attention already from the MS. More publicity can only hurt it.
/JMHO
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on September 02, 2014, 06:16:10 PM
I feel like Plan B has gotten enough attention already from the MS. More publicity can only hurt it.
/JMHO
+1 was thinking the same before the update...
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: bubble347 on September 02, 2014, 06:27:37 PM
I feel like Plan B has gotten enough attention already from the MS. More publicity can only hurt it.
/JMHO
Perhaps, however people tend to shy away from concepts that require work such as finding a competent rep, going to the airport early and insisting on being wait-listed as a displaced business class passenger etc. Hopefully I'm right and this lives on.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: D93 on September 02, 2014, 06:27:41 PM
I feel like Plan B has gotten enough attention already from the MS. More publicity can only hurt it.
/JMHO
was thinking the same. But here's what Dan replied to a comment last December
"@Moshe123:
I think the complexity of it will keep it from becoming commonplace.
Complex deals are always the best, those who are serious are rewarded and those aren’t won’t kill it."
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: bubble347 on September 02, 2014, 06:28:39 PM
was thinking the same. But here's what Dan replied to a comment last December
"@Moshe123:
I think the complexity of it will keep it from becoming commonplace.
Complex deals are always the best, those who are serious are rewarded and those aren’t won’t kill it."
ברוך שכיוונתי :D
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: D93 on September 02, 2014, 06:32:44 PM
Or on the other hand, it'll stay alive because of People like this who are so lost that won't do it. I was laughing so hard when I read this comment  ;)
"What Am I Missing?:
September 2nd, 2014 at 4:32 pm
I read the whole post and if a business class ticket is booked using 60K points, where’s the deal? Does this process simply guarantee you better availability? Not sure I understand what the value prop is from this whole to-do?"
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on September 02, 2014, 06:38:53 PM
Perhaps, however people tend to shy away from concepts that require work such as going to the airport early and insisting on being wait-listed as a displaced business class passenger etc. Hopefully I'm right and this lives on.
I have no idea what you're talking about.....
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: bubble347 on September 02, 2014, 06:42:52 PM
I have no idea what you're talking about.....
It's pretty easy to understand. Anything in particular troubling you? ::)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on September 02, 2014, 06:47:17 PM
Its a published part of the program on UA.com.
If anything it will go away due to under utilization.
Most FTers dont even know about it.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on September 02, 2014, 06:47:41 PM
Perhaps, however people tend to shy away from concepts that require work such as going to the airport early and insisting on being wait-listed as a displaced business class passenger etc. Hopefully I'm right and this lives on.
That's why it's in the public domain.
It's out there and the people who are willing to take advantage of it will do it. Giving it more publicity can only hurt it.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on September 02, 2014, 06:54:28 PM
Its a published part of the program on UA.com.
If anything it will go away due to under utilization.
Most FTers dont even know about it.
One more benefit in the public eye is another benefit to eliminate in the next "enhancement."
See UA vs EF, DL vs EF, UA vs WATT...
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: htg123 on September 02, 2014, 06:56:22 PM
Or on the other hand, it'll stay alive because of People like this who are so lost that won't do it. I was laughing so hard when I read this comment  ;)
"What Am I Missing?:
September 2nd, 2014 at 4:32 pm
I read the whole post and if a business class ticket is booked using 60K points, where’s the deal? Does this process simply guarantee you better availability? Not sure I understand what the value prop is from this whole to-do?"
Absolutely love this comment
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on September 02, 2014, 07:26:09 PM
One more benefit in the public eye is another benefit to eliminate in the next "enhancement."
See UA vs EF, DL vs EF, UA vs WATT...
These airlines STINK. Why are they so unfriendly and still call all these rude things enhancements.  ::)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: alexk. on September 03, 2014, 12:28:42 AM
If you book a Plan B, is there a way to avoid the close-in fees?

Thanks
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: efflpetzel on September 03, 2014, 01:11:03 AM

I feel like Plan B has gotten enough attention already from the MS. More publicity can only hurt it.
/JMHO
+1m
I was holding myself back from ranting, so thanks for putting it nicely.

I don't get the point of posting it on the MS, if most people there won't bother/understand how to do then why bring attention to it?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on September 03, 2014, 01:17:00 AM
The point of my blog isn't for me to teach you how to do something and then once you know about it nobody else should know about it. The point is to teach more people.

Plan B is a published policy on UA.com, not some trick or loophole.  I still maintain that we've seen lots of obscure policies have gone away due to being underutilized.  I wouldn't be surprised when UA rolls out their long overdue UA.com 2.0 to lose functionality like Plan B due to underutilization.  Maintaining systems like that cost money and why maintain it when it's so obscure?

I don't see why this has to be so obscure.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: lunatic on September 03, 2014, 03:48:24 PM
Does the United agent handbook specifically define someone in this scenario as a displaced business class passenger?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on September 03, 2014, 03:51:13 PM
Does the United agent handbook specifically define someone in this scenario as a displaced business class passenger?
Yes. And deserving of PR-1 status.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: efflpetzel on September 03, 2014, 07:46:09 PM
Is it possible to do the workaround to avoid the close in booking fee + do plan b for the same flight?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on September 03, 2014, 07:47:57 PM
Is it possible to do the workaround to avoid the close in booking fee + do plan b for the same flight?
Probably. Just do Plan B once you change the flight to the one you want.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: D93 on September 04, 2014, 02:26:05 AM
Is it possible to do the workaround to avoid the close in booking fee + do plan b for the same flight?
what's the work around to avoid the close-in booking fee?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: yankel on September 08, 2014, 09:33:21 AM
I set up plan b over a month ago. Is now 4 days before flight and hasnt cleared  yet, and there is still standard business awards available  for the flight. Just wondering if this is normal
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on September 08, 2014, 09:51:41 AM
I set up plan b over a month ago. Is now 4 days before flight and hasnt cleared  yet, and there is still standard business awards available  for the flight. Just wondering if this is normal

depending on the flight yes it could be.

whats the flight details?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: yankel on September 08, 2014, 04:21:28 PM
Hnl-ewr on sep 11

The funny thing is ewr hnl Cleared 2 days after i set it up.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Alexsei on September 09, 2014, 11:10:37 AM
Hello, i'm new to plan B, looking at a flight EWR-TLV Sep 10 (tomorrow) return Sep. 17
Expert mode shows on the outbound:
Code: [Select]
[b]J3[/b], JN3, C3, D3, Z2, ZN2, [b]P0[/b], PN0, R0, RN0, IN0, I0, Y9, YN9, B9, M9, E9, U9, H9, HN9, Q9, V9, W9, S9, T9, L9, K9, G0, N0, XN9, X9And
Code: [Select]
[b]J4[/b], JN4, C0, D0, Z0, ZN0, [b]P0[/b], PN0, R0, RN0, IN0, I0, Y9, YN9, B9, M9, E9, U9, H9, HN9, Q8, V6, W5, S5, T5, L3, K1, G0, N0, XN0, X0on the return

What are my chances for it to clear?

TIA!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on September 09, 2014, 11:21:22 AM
Hello, i'm new to plan B, looking at a flight EWR-TLV Sep 10 (tomorrow) return Sep. 17
Expert mode shows on the outbound:
Code: [Select]
[b]J3[/b], JN3, C3, D3, Z2, ZN2, [b]P0[/b], PN0, R0, RN0, IN0, I0, Y9, YN9, B9, M9, E9, U9, H9, HN9, Q9, V9, W9, S9, T9, L9, K9, G0, N0, XN9, X9And
Code: [Select]
[b]J4[/b], JN4, C0, D0, Z0, ZN0, [b]P0[/b], PN0, R0, RN0, IN0, I0, Y9, YN9, B9, M9, E9, U9, H9, HN9, Q8, V6, W5, S5, T5, L3, K1, G0, N0, XN0, X0on the return

What are my chances for it to clear?

TIA!
Very low that it clears without PR-1.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Alexsei on September 09, 2014, 11:29:18 AM
Very low that it clears without PR-1.
Doesn't it get PR-1 by default?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on September 09, 2014, 11:35:51 AM
Doesn't it get PR-1 by default?
Did you read the MS article?
PR-1 needs to be done manually at the airport.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: efflpetzel on September 09, 2014, 02:03:52 PM
Very low that it clears without PR-1.

what are the chances on this flight, its JFK-LAX on friday
Quote
J6, JN6, C6, D6, Z6, ZN6, P5, PN2, R0, RN0, IN0, I0, Y9, YN9, B9, M9, E9, U9, H9, HN9, Q9, V9, W9, S9, T9, L9, K9, G9, N9, XN9, X9
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: yankel on September 09, 2014, 03:38:15 PM
Heres my situation. I am wait listed IN for 2 passengers from hnl to ewr. Its 2 days before flight and hasnt cleared yet. Yet, when i go on to united.com i see they are selling 1 business-first saver award! 2 is not available.  I called twice and they said mine wont clear unless 2 become available. Is there anyway i can at least get them to hold that 1 instead of selling it?  I feel like booking just to hold for 24 hours,although that would prob just be shooting myself in that foot. Any options here?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: rediplus on September 09, 2014, 03:41:07 PM
i may have missed it , but so far plan B was only for Business class bookings, what if i want to request for First class specifically ? there is coach saver but business and first are not. can i plan B into F ?
thanks
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on September 09, 2014, 03:45:45 PM
Heres my situation. I am wait listed IN for 2 passengers from hnl to ewr. Its 2 days before flight and hasnt cleared yet. Yet, when i go on to united.com i see they are selling 1 business-first saver award! 2 is not available.  I called twice and they said mine wont clear unless 2 become available. Is there anyway i can at least get them to hold that 1 instead of selling it?  I feel like booking just to hold for 24 hours,although that would prob just be shooting myself in that foot. Any options here?
maybe split the reservation.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on September 09, 2014, 03:47:41 PM
Heres my situation. I am wait listed IN for 2 passengers from hnl to ewr. Its 2 days before flight and hasnt cleared yet. Yet, when i go on to united.com i see they are selling 1 business-first saver award! 2 is not available.  I called twice and they said mine wont clear unless 2 become available. Is there anyway i can at least get them to hold that 1 instead of selling it?  I feel like booking just to hold for 24 hours,although that would prob just be shooting myself in that foot. Any options here?
Have them split the res and upgrade one.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on September 09, 2014, 03:48:31 PM
i may have missed it , but so far plan B was only for Business class bookings, what if i want to request for First class specifically ? there is coach saver but business and first are not. can i plan B into F ?
thanks
You can plan B into F.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: yankel on September 09, 2014, 03:52:55 PM
Would have done that. But they claimed id lose the partner airline portion of the itin. Anyway now iys showing not available for saver but still available for standard. Also when i check the upgrade list it says 6 available and 1 blocked. Maybe it caused it with my phone call?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: D93 on September 09, 2014, 04:05:32 PM
Would have done that. But they claimed id lose the partner airline portion of the itin. Anyway now iys showing not available for saver but still available for standard. Also when i check the upgrade list it says 6 available and 1 blocked. Maybe it caused it with my phone call?
I always noticed "1 blocked" on all upgrade lists with united, I don't think it has to do with your phone call. Sorry to bust your bubble
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on September 09, 2014, 04:07:11 PM
Blocked is probably for pilot rest.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: D93 on September 09, 2014, 04:13:07 PM
Blocked is probably for pilot rest.
so the pilot comes out of the cockpit mid flight to take a nap? Isn't it against FAA regulations to open the cockpit door mid flight?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: sillypainter on September 09, 2014, 04:14:04 PM
so the pilot comes out of the cockpit mid flight to take a nap? Isn't it against FAA regulations to open the cockpit door mid flight?

Relief pilot.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dr Moose on September 09, 2014, 04:15:00 PM
Isn't it against FAA regulations to open the cockpit door mid flight?
plenty of times I've seen the pilot come out to use the bathroom
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: D93 on September 09, 2014, 04:15:50 PM
plenty of times I've seen the pilot come out to use the bathroom
I saw it once on US Air and was wondering how it was legal?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on September 09, 2014, 04:20:04 PM
so the pilot comes out of the cockpit mid flight to take a nap? Isn't it against FAA regulations to open the cockpit door mid flight?

I've slept next to relief pilots in J/F several times.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on September 09, 2014, 04:20:18 PM
I saw it once on US Air and was wondering how it was legal?
Because you're wrong.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: D93 on September 09, 2014, 04:22:20 PM
Because you're wrong.
As I said I was "wondering", but now I know I was wrong. Thanks for teaching me.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: yankel on September 09, 2014, 04:31:53 PM
So should i split the itin. What happens if it doesnt clear. What if there are no economy seats available to downgrade. Seems risky
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: yankel on September 09, 2014, 07:23:11 PM
Oh the Joys of HUCA! I got an agent to confirm both, even though only 1 was available, she actually got through to the revenue department and got special authorization. made the case that it was probably going to open up anyway, and splitting the iternarary would cause the airline more trouble then its worth....Whoo hoo!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on September 09, 2014, 07:28:59 PM
Oh the Joys of HUCA! I got an agent to confirm both, even though only 1 was available, she actually got through to the revenue department and got special authorization. made the case that it was probably going to open up anyway, and splitting the iternarary would cause the airline more trouble then its worth....Whoo hoo!
Wow!

I thought by now there was not even 1 seat in saver award?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: yankel on September 09, 2014, 07:33:38 PM
it came back. but was still only 1 available.... HUCA x 4
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on September 09, 2014, 07:38:44 PM
it came back. but was still only 1 available.... HUCA x 4
Call back number?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: yankel on September 09, 2014, 07:42:13 PM
yup. wasn't even my initiative. she offered to attempt it and after 15 minutes on hold, it went through
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on September 09, 2014, 07:59:57 PM
Oh the Joys of HUCA! I got an agent to confirm both, even though only 1 was available, she actually got through to the revenue department and got special authorization. made the case that it was probably going to open up anyway, and splitting the iternarary would cause the airline more trouble then its worth....Whoo hoo!
Wow nice!!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: D93 on September 10, 2014, 02:26:35 AM
Nice! enjoy your flight and trip!  :)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Bostener on September 10, 2014, 05:49:27 AM
plenty of times I've seen the pilot come out to use the bathroom

On some flights they put a gate in front of the kitchen that's in front of the plane so the front kitchen, toilet and cockpit is locked of while the pilot uses the toilet.

I've slept next to relief pilots in J/F several times.

I had it only once.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Bostener on September 10, 2014, 05:55:37 AM
Heres my situation. I am wait listed IN for 2 passengers from hnl to ewr. Its 2 days before flight and hasnt cleared yet. Yet, when i go on to united.com i see they are selling 1 business-first saver award! 2 is not available.  I called twice and they said mine wont clear unless 2 become available. Is there anyway i can at least get them to hold that 1 instead of selling it?  I feel like booking just to hold for 24 hours,although that would prob just be shooting myself in that foot. Any options here? :)

There's a travel agent that used to do this big time till they got caught and were fined.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Million Miler on September 10, 2014, 11:14:38 AM
I had it only once.
on all UA flights from to/from tlv seat 5d is reserved for crew rest, mid flight the pilot/ co pilot will come out and doze off or watch a movie for a couple of hours, once i asked about it, i was told its in their union contract
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on September 10, 2014, 11:30:28 AM
How how is this safe? what about if 6 terrorist buy off a first class cabin and when the pilot is coming out to rest they hijack the cockpit?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on September 10, 2014, 11:37:32 AM

How how is this safe? what about if 6 terrorist buy off a first class cabin and when the pilot is coming out to rest they hijack the cockpit?

They have double crews for long flights. There are not only two pilots on that flight and on most long haul.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: avrumy22 on September 10, 2014, 11:47:50 AM
Oh the Joys of HUCA! I got an agent to confirm both, even though only 1 was available, she actually got through to the revenue department and got special authorization. made the case that it was probably going to open up anyway, and splitting the iternarary would cause the airline more trouble then its worth....Whoo hoo!

Wow!! congrats!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: avrumy22 on September 10, 2014, 11:48:24 AM
How how is this safe? what about if 6 terrorist buy off a first class cabin and when the pilot is coming out to rest they hijack the cockpit?

They block the front with the food card.... Ive seen them do this tho dunno how safe that is.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dr Moose on September 10, 2014, 11:51:56 AM
on short flights, when the pilot comes out to use the bathroom a flight attendant goes into the cockpit
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on September 10, 2014, 12:24:09 PM
Yeah... but once the door is open they can just jump into the cockpit ....
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on September 10, 2014, 12:26:49 PM

Yeah... but once the door is open they can just jump into the cockpit ....

No matter what, if you always think hard enough you can think around mostly anything
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dr Moose on September 10, 2014, 12:33:58 PM
Yeah... but once the door is open they can just jump into the cockpit ....
the flight attendant blocks the door the pilot walks out, and then the pilot blocks the door and the flight attendant goes in
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on September 10, 2014, 01:48:18 PM
the flight attendant blocks the door the pilot walks out, and then the pilot blocks the door and the flight attendant goes in
you didn't answer my question....
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dr Moose on September 10, 2014, 02:30:22 PM
you didn't answer my question....
sure I did, you can't just jump into the cockpit if someone is standing in your way
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: KidOOO on September 10, 2014, 02:36:59 PM
you can't just jump into the cockpit if someone is standing in your way

Did you try?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on September 10, 2014, 03:04:33 PM
sure I did, you can't just jump into the cockpit if someone is standing in your way
Hmmm you ever heard about giving someone a punch?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on September 10, 2014, 03:04:58 PM
Can you guys continue in JS?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on September 10, 2014, 03:08:34 PM
Can you guys continue in JS?
Well, I have brought on a heavy security issue, I am insulted that you think is belongs in JS  :P
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on September 10, 2014, 03:10:26 PM
Well, I have brought on a heavy security issue, I am insulted that you think is belongs in JS  :P
Pretty sure you're not the first one to think of it when they see the cockpit door open  :)
Unless your Plan B is knocking out a pilot and taking his blocked off rest seat.  :P
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Freddie on September 11, 2014, 11:35:51 AM
From the DDMS post:

Quote
This Plan B process would also work for routes with global first class that has only coach or business saver awards available (Tel Aviv does not have Global First class).

You mean I can use Plan B to book in O class? Am I understanding this right?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on September 11, 2014, 11:37:30 AM
From the DDMS post:

You mean I can use Plan B to book in O class? Am I understanding this right?
Yes.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Freddie on September 11, 2014, 11:41:09 AM
Yes.

Wow!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: efflpetzel on September 11, 2014, 03:12:44 PM
Ok so I set up Plan B a couple of days ago for a JFK-LAX flight leaving tomorrow morning, unfortunately it didn't clear & its now showing 'R class requested' ?.

So I'm a bit confused about what to do next, United have sent me an email saying
Quote
We are not yet able to confirm your request for an upgrade on your flight from New York, NY (JFK) to Los Angeles, CA (LAX). While your upgrade request will no longer appear in your reservation, you will automatically be added to the upgrade standby list after you complete check-in and receive your boarding pass for this flight. Check in now

Rest assured that your position on the upgrade standby list will be preserved, even during the period before you check in and are added to the lists shown online and at the airport.

1) Why is it showing as 'R class requested' now

2) should I call united & see if they could do anything

3) should I check in online now (as stated in the email)

TIA
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on September 11, 2014, 03:16:16 PM
Ok so I set up Plan B a couple of days ago for a JFK-LAX flight leaving tomorrow morning, unfortunately it didn't clear & its now showing 'R class requested' ?.

So I'm a bit confused about what to do next, United have sent me an email saying
1) Why is it showing as 'R class requested' now

2) should I call united & see if they could do anything

3) should I check in online now (as stated in the email)

TIA
Just be early at the airport and make sure to get PR-1 status.

What is the flight number?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: efflpetzel on September 11, 2014, 03:38:16 PM
Just be early at the airport and make sure to get PR-1 status.

What is the flight number?
443.

Don't I need to be on the upgrade list to have a chance of getting PR-1 status (meaning I should check in now?)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on September 11, 2014, 03:47:27 PM
443.

Don't I need to be on the upgrade list to have a chance of getting PR-1 status (meaning I should check in now?)
You can, but you will be on the bottom of the list. You have to be early at the airport and get PR-1 status, there is still 2 unsold seats on the plane, so you have a good chance (assuming you get PR-1 status) Go from the check in agent to the lounge agent, just get PR-1 status.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: VacationLover on September 11, 2014, 06:05:58 PM
I want to attend a wedding in Austria in December. I want to fly business with united. Should i wait till the saver reward becomes available or should i book now a "plan B"?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: sky121 on September 11, 2014, 06:06:51 PM
I want to attend a wedding in Austria in December. I want to fly business with united. Should i wait till the saver reward becomes available or should i book now a "plan B"?
I'd book now with plan B.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: D93 on September 11, 2014, 06:07:44 PM
I want to attend a wedding in Austria in December. I want to fly business with united. Should i wait till the saver reward becomes available or should i book now a "plan B"?
just book a plan b. Because if it's set up properly and the saver business comes avaliable, you'll be automatically confirmed for business
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on September 11, 2014, 06:42:18 PM
I want to attend a wedding in Austria in December. I want to fly business with united. Should i wait till the saver reward becomes available or should i book now a "plan B"?
Just to make so are you aware if it, you can only set up plan B on UA metal.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: VacationLover on September 11, 2014, 06:53:59 PM
Just to make so are you aware if it, you can only set up plan B on UA metal.
Sorry I'm new here. What is "UA metal"?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: D93 on September 11, 2014, 06:55:03 PM
Sorry I'm new here. What is "UA metal"?
united Airlines plane not partner flights like Austrian
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: efflpetzel on September 12, 2014, 10:41:02 AM
Plan B Mini TR

I'm writing this on my phone in the sky thanks to gogo so forgive me for any errors

A couple of days ago I set up Plan B for JFK-LAX flight 443 even though it was showing high occupancy with two biz seats unsold which then went down to zero as the day approached, so I wasn't surprised when 24 hours before the flight I didn't upgrade + there were nine people on the wait list ahead of me meaning I'd have to get to the airport to ensure I get PR-1 status.
so for a 8:30 flight I left at 5:45 (which is very early for me), got to the airport & went to biz class check-in, I then started with my pshetel of paying for an I class seat & being a displaced biz class passenger needing PR-1 status.....
The agent checked my Rez & said I see that you booked an award ticket I don't understand & then asked her to call up the award desk to confirm that I had indeed booked a biz ticket, I also referenced gg onestandby, at which point she looked up shocked & said you seem to know a lot about our internal systems to which I explained that I'm in the travel industry (being a DDF'er qualifies),with a doubtful look she called up the reward desk to be honest at this point I wasn't feeling that it will work out but somehow the agent explained to her what needed to be done. She then handed me my ticket saying she took care of it, so off I went to the United club lounge & double checked with the agent that I had PR-1 status.

At this point the flight was looking like this
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/09/12/86e874251b3d59417a524a11db966b0b.jpg)which meant that every biz seat was claimed with only one person not checked in which means I was relying on 1 no show. At boarding time I went to the gate agent & explained the situation to which he explained if the last pax doesn't show as checked in at 15 min before takeoff the seat is mine, he also advised me to board & sit in my coach seat rather than wait at the gate until he gets further news (which in hindsight is something I wouldn't advise as it's a real PITA to get up, incovieniance passengers & move my bags to the front)

So I was sitting in my coach seat wedged between two different passengers refreshing the upgrade list on the phone & praying that would clear.
At exactly 17 min before scheduled takeoff was my 'Oh Yeah Baby Moment' !!!!!!!!(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/09/12/2659b89a367715a9b34ae35e60b51a68.jpg).

I'm now enjoying my lie-flat seat & fressing all the the kosher snacks that they're giving me for free

Thanks to everyone who helped with their advice & especially Dan for the exact instructions!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on September 12, 2014, 10:43:47 AM
Awesome!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: D93 on September 12, 2014, 10:44:27 AM
Really happy to hear it worked out for you! Those moments in economy must have been so painful! Lol
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ChAiM'l on September 12, 2014, 10:47:19 AM
Nice!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on September 12, 2014, 11:11:53 AM
Awesome. Good job.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on September 12, 2014, 11:55:48 AM
Oh the benefits of traveling solo...
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: TC610 on September 15, 2014, 03:46:35 PM
he also advised me to board & sit in my coach seat rather than wait at the gate until he gets further news (which in hindsight is something I wouldn't advise as it's a real PITA to get up, incovieniance passengers & move my bags to the front)

But if you decide to wait at the gate and you don't clear in to F/J, then you're in coach with the possibility of no room for your carry-on.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: efflpetzel on September 15, 2014, 03:51:06 PM

But if you decide to wait at the gate and you don't clear in to F/J, then you're in coach with the possibility of no room for your carry-on.
indeed, that's why I boarded
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: TC610 on September 16, 2014, 10:35:41 AM
So where does one find a "Knowledgeable looking agent"?  I tried in the United Club and the Customer Service desk in Concourse C at CLE and and every agent looked at me like I had 3 heads. Didn't even bother to consult Shares. I'm now at T-1 and First is now checked in full for CLE-EWR so I won't even bother the gate agent. Good thing it is a short flight...

Can anyone give me a hint as to where to find one in EDI? I only have a 90 minute layover there so I will need to make every minute count. I'll be arriving from IST so I will not be able to finish the Plan B anywhere else.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Platinum on September 16, 2014, 07:05:39 PM
When doing Plan B if I don't clear 24 hours prior to the flight should I wait to get to the airport to check-in or check-in online? Thanks
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: efflpetzel on September 17, 2014, 10:59:56 AM
When doing Plan B if I don't clear 24 hours prior to the flight should I wait to get to the airport to check-in or check-in online? Thanks
it doesn't make a difference, but if you check in online at least you'll be able to pick your own seat if you don't clear the waitlist, as opposed to getting assigned a middle seat stuck between two fat woman (as I found out for 5 minutes)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on September 17, 2014, 11:02:37 AM
it doesn't make a difference, but if you check in online at least you'll be able to pick your own seat if you don't clear the waitlist, as opposed to getting assigned a middle seat stuck between two fat woman (as I found out for 5 minutes)
Since when do you have to check in to assign a seat???
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: efflpetzel on September 17, 2014, 11:08:58 AM
Since when do you have to check in to assign a seat???
hmm good point, so how did I end up with that seat if I picked an aisle seat online?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on September 17, 2014, 11:23:44 AM
hmm good point, so how did I end up with that seat if I picked an aisle seat online?
Very weird.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: HolyNyc on September 18, 2014, 11:27:52 AM
Will plan b work on a domestic route booking in saver business and sitting in standard economy?
Assuming they are the same amount of miles.
Sorry if it was discussed before I couldn't search it because plan b the 'b' is not a 2 letter word  ;)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: sillypainter on September 18, 2014, 11:31:14 AM
Will plan b work on a domestic route booking in saver business and sitting in standard economy?
Assuming they are the same amount of miles.
Sorry if it was discussed before I couldn't search it because 'plan b' the 'b' is not a 2 letter word  ;)

Interesting question indeed. I would assume you can still do it, don't think it matters.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on September 18, 2014, 11:35:18 AM
You can search for one letter words like this:
"Plan B"

Plan B only works with saver.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: HolyNyc on September 18, 2014, 11:36:56 AM
You can search for one letter words like this:
"Plan B"
Plan B only works with saver.
thanks
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: The Guy on September 18, 2014, 11:39:57 AM
Will plan b work on a domestic route booking in saver business and sitting in standard economy?
Assuming they are the same amount of miles.
Sorry if it was discussed before I couldn't search it because plan b the 'b' is not a 2 letter word  ;)

NO,only if there's saver coach.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: zh cohen on September 18, 2014, 12:02:25 PM
Will plan b work on a domestic route booking in saver business and sitting in standard economy?
Assuming they are the same amount of miles.
Sorry if it was discussed before I couldn't search it because plan b the 'b' is not a 2 letter word  ;)

You won't get back any miles if you don't get into business.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: HolyNyc on September 19, 2014, 04:19:01 AM
You won't get back any miles if you don't get into business.
I'm not looking to get back any miles it's worth it for me even in coach @standard but I want that if and when saver biz opens up I should get a free change
Can I do that?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: D93 on September 19, 2014, 05:10:00 AM

Plan B only works with saver.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: HolyNyc on September 19, 2014, 05:15:43 AM

I am wondering if I can get a rep to do it for me anyway?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on September 19, 2014, 08:36:02 AM
Why keep asking the same question again and again rather than just trying to beat the system yourself?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: lich2539 on September 28, 2014, 04:45:38 PM
I had just sucessfully booked this on my first try. I don’t think I will be able to make it to the airport till 2 hours before my flight. Is there still a possibility that the system will upgrade me itself without the agent listing me as PR-1?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on September 28, 2014, 04:48:23 PM
I had just sucessfully booked this on my first try. I don’t think I will be able to make it to the airport till 2 hours before my flight. Is there still a possibility that the system will upgrade me itself without the agent listing me as PR-1?
If there is space, yes. Which route?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: lich2539 on September 28, 2014, 05:36:20 PM
If there is space, yes. Which route?

EWR-TLV
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: D93 on September 28, 2014, 06:16:21 PM
EWR-TLV
that's a jam packed flight... You really gotta get pr-1 status.
UA84 or UA90? Date?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Elgnt on September 28, 2014, 08:36:21 PM
I'm on 9/30 ewr- tlv 84  there are 11 open b/f seats do you think I will clear with plan b or go to the airport 24 hours b4?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on September 28, 2014, 08:39:01 PM
I'm on 9/30 ewr- tlv 84  there are 11 open b/f seats do you think I will clear with plan b or go to the airport 24 hours b4?

I think it might clear, but UA doesnt really open up those flights. Best bet is to still get to the airport the earliest the better.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Platinum on September 28, 2014, 09:25:26 PM
I had a Plan B all set up for a party of two from EWR - SFO, when I got to EWR the guy at the priority access  check-in counter refused to give me PR-1 and said he couldn't do it and suggested I try with supervisor  I think his name was Guy. I went to the supervisor  who asked me where all you guys are getting this info from? And that someone told him the same thing yesterday.. and there is no such thing as PR-1. So I figured I will try again in the lounge. The lady at the lounge had no problem putting on PR-1, I checked the app and there I was on the top of the list. When I checked the list again I noticed I was no longer number one on the list. So I go back to the desk (the person who did for me was no longer there) and she says sorry I can't give you PR-1 because it is noted not to give it to you. The guy downstairs made a notation not to give me PR-1. I tried to plea my case but the agent said once the account is noted there is nothing she can do, all she can suggest is to take it up by the gate. Long story short, the gate agent also refused to give me PR-1 although she said I should have it but since the account was noted she will not do it. At the end only one seat cleared so we just sat in economy. Just a warning if you are flying out of EWR try to avoid the priority access check-in.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: avrumy22 on September 28, 2014, 09:26:36 PM
I had a Plan B all set up for a party of two from EWR - SFO, when I got to EWR the guy at the priority access  check-in counter refused to give me PR-1 and said he couldn't do it and suggested I try with supervisor  I think his name was Guy. I went to the supervisor  who asked me where all you guys are getting this info from? And that someone told him the same thing yesterday.. and there is no such thing as PR-1. So I figured I will try again in the lounge. The lady at the lounge had no problem putting on PR-1, I checked the app and there I was on the top of the list. When I checked the list again I noticed I was no longer number one on the list. So I go back to the desk (the person who did for me was no longer there) and she says sorry I can't give you PR-1 because it is noted not to give it to you. The guy downstairs made a notation not to give me PR-1. I tried to plea my case but the agent said once the account is noted there is nothing she can do, all she can suggest is to take it up by the gate. Long story short, the gate agent also refused to give me PR-1 although she said I should have it but since the account was noted she will not do it. At the end only one seat cleared so we just sat in economy. Just a warning if you are flying out of EWR try to avoid the priority access check-in.

You gotta be kidding!!!! Thats my airport....  :-[
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Centro on September 28, 2014, 09:33:12 PM
I had a Plan B all set up for a party of two from EWR - SFO, when I got to EWR the guy at the priority access  check-in counter refused to give me PR-1 and said he couldn't do it and suggested I try with supervisor  I think his name was Guy. I went to the supervisor  who asked me where all you guys are getting this info from? And that someone told him the same thing yesterday.. and there is no such thing as PR-1. So I figured I will try again in the lounge. The lady at the lounge had no problem putting on PR-1, I checked the app and there I was on the top of the list. When I checked the list again I noticed I was no longer number one on the list. So I go back to the desk (the person who did for me was no longer there) and she says sorry I can't give you PR-1 because it is noted not to give it to you. The guy downstairs made a notation not to give me PR-1. I tried to plea my case but the agent said once the account is noted there is nothing she can do, all she can suggest is to take it up by the gate. Long story short, the gate agent also refused to give me PR-1 although she said I should have it but since the account was noted she will not do it. At the end only one seat cleared so we just sat in economy. Just a warning if you are flying out of EWR try to avoid the priority access check-in.
This is despicable, there are those people who'll choke you just because you achieved something which they denied you in the first place.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on September 29, 2014, 12:48:54 AM
I'm on 9/30 ewr- tlv 84  there are 11 open b/f seats do you think I will clear with plan b or go to the airport 24 hours b4?
What makes you thinking that there is 11 seats available in J? As of now there is only 5 seats in J.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: D93 on September 29, 2014, 01:03:59 AM
What makes you thinking that there is 11 seats available in J? As of now there is only 5 seats in J.
I see 7 now
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on September 29, 2014, 01:05:33 AM
I see 7 now

Yup 7 now, these flights can fluctuate so just keep an eye on them
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on September 29, 2014, 01:07:57 AM
I see 7 now
:P
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on September 29, 2014, 01:10:22 AM
:P

Unless I am doing something wrong, shows 7 seats by me

Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: D93 on September 29, 2014, 01:11:24 AM
:P
:P :P
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Centro on September 29, 2014, 01:24:04 AM
:P


Unless I am doing something wrong, shows 7 seats by me
I'm an am hu'uretz so don't laugh at me if I'm wrong, but you're looking at economy and he's looking at business.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on September 29, 2014, 01:30:34 AM

I'm an am hu'uretz so don't laugh at me if I'm wrong, but you're looking at economy and he's looking at business.

I Think thats whats going on. He basically selected a business class seat so its showing less. But I can be wrong
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: D93 on September 29, 2014, 06:35:55 AM
5 now...
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: yehuda S on September 29, 2014, 02:32:07 PM
Does anyone know if it will affect plan B if I go online and select economy seats? Will that somehow change my waiting status?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on September 29, 2014, 02:36:06 PM
Does anyone know if it will affect plan B if I go online and select economy seats? Will that somehow change my waiting status?
It won't.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Elgnt on September 29, 2014, 06:05:19 PM
it told me I class requested. Now it changed to R class requested
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on September 29, 2014, 06:07:00 PM
Its normal
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Elgnt on September 29, 2014, 06:07:32 PM
does it pay to go to the airport the day before or just go like 5 hours early the day of flight?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on September 29, 2014, 06:11:47 PM
5 hours early is fine. (See the story above so you might wanna go early in case you get stuck with that jerk) Go straight to the lounge and ask them to for PR-1 status.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: D93 on September 29, 2014, 06:18:56 PM
Only 3 seats open now... Better get that pr-1 status or else you'll be sitting in cattle class  ;)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on September 29, 2014, 06:23:45 PM
Only 3 seats open now... Better get that pr-1 status or else you'll be sitting in cattle class  ;)
Or Coach class.  ;) I love how the airlines named these stinky economy seats coach.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Elgnt on September 29, 2014, 07:17:23 PM
Anyone know if I pay for premium economy if I can get refunded if my upgrade to I clears?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on September 29, 2014, 07:32:39 PM
You will not. Again HUCA can always help...
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: D93 on October 01, 2014, 07:50:11 AM
@Elgnt. What happened at the end?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: yehuda S on October 01, 2014, 10:27:11 AM
It won't.
Thank you
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Sholomg on October 05, 2014, 08:17:17 AM
i made a reservation with plan b and it all looked right, then i changed it did i just mess up the plan b
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on October 05, 2014, 10:27:02 AM
i made a reservation with plan b and it all looked right, then i changed it did i just mess up the plan b
Could be. Does it still say I class requested?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Sholomg on October 05, 2014, 10:33:14 AM
thanks. the lady really messed it up. i called back and got the same lady and she continued messing it up splitting our reservation and whatnot. so i called to cancel and rebook, it took an hour and a half  and b'h now it looks right lets hope for the best iy"h.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: D93 on October 05, 2014, 11:27:44 AM
thanks. the lady really messed it up. i called back and got the same lady and she continued messing it up splitting our reservation and whatnot. so i called to cancel and rebook, it took an hour and a half  and b'h now it looks right lets hope for the best iy"h.
what route?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Sholomg on October 05, 2014, 07:17:59 PM
ewr-tlv
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: D93 on October 06, 2014, 05:21:19 AM
ewr-tlv
date? good luck and keep us posted.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: TC610 on October 07, 2014, 08:26:57 PM
Back in January before the devaluation, I had successfully set up a Plan B award for EDI-EWR, flying last week.  It said "I class requested".  A couple of days before the flight I got an e-mail stating that my upgrade was not yet processed and that I'd be placed on the upgrade standby list.  At T-24 I checked the upgrade standby list.  There were a few people on it, but my name was missing.  Also, my reservation had changed to "R class requested".  We had a delay getting to EDI and then got stuck in the international arrivals hallway for ~45 minutes because an international departure just started boarding.  By the time we got to the gate, the flight was departing in 20 minutes (too late to even try to get PR1 status) and all first class seats were occupied.  The upgrade list showed 2 people had been upgraded.  My name still was not on the list. 

FWIW, the same thing happened in CLE the week prior for a short haul flight (I class switched to R, not added to standby list automatically).
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on October 07, 2014, 08:30:02 PM
You checked the upgrade list AFTER you checked in at the airport?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: TC610 on October 07, 2014, 08:43:12 PM
You checked the upgrade list AFTER you checked in at the airport?

Correct, I neglected to mention that.

My outbound journey was CLE-EWR-....  When I checked in at CLE I was not on the upgrade list.
My return journey was MLE-IST-EDI-EWR-CLE.  I was checked in and given boarding passes at MLE.  I checked the upgrade list while in the arrivals hall and was not on it.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Sholomg on October 11, 2014, 07:48:16 PM
date? good luck and keep us posted.
So this is what happened We checked in but still didn't see our names on the standby list so we tried speaking to the check in lady and she didn't know what she was talking about so We went to the lounge and the lady was really nice she called the help desk and finnaly got us on the waiting list but as pr2 so We told her were supposed to be pr1 and she called again she mentioned she was on the phone with lead. anyway they also told her that I was supposed to be pr2 and we couldn't really argue anymore and there were only 2 seats available anyway so that's that I didn't get upgraded and my wife and I had to sit in different rows with our child. I couldn't beleive no one offered to switch seats so that we can sit together making it a little easier with a kid without the bassinet.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on October 11, 2014, 09:31:04 PM
You mentioned gg checkpoint line 53?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Joe4007 on October 28, 2014, 12:02:16 PM
Do I get a free bag if I didn't clear for business at the time of check-in?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on October 28, 2014, 12:25:23 PM
Do I get a free bag if I didn't clear for business at the time of check-in?
Yes
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on October 28, 2014, 02:12:59 PM
Yes
How?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on October 28, 2014, 02:15:56 PM
How?
Ask for a refund on online. Not guaranteed, but it should work.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on October 28, 2014, 02:17:37 PM
Ask for a refund on online. Not guaranteed, but it should work.
Okay, that makes sense. I thought you said that you can checkin 2 free bags at time of check in.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on October 28, 2014, 02:18:49 PM
Okay, that makes sense. I thought you said that you can checkin 2 free bags at time of check in.
No. You'd have to pay for 1 or both bags and just get refund later. Shouldn't be too hard if you flew J or F.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: yehuda S on October 29, 2014, 07:09:42 PM
Almost got the upgrade. The ticket agent was so condescending and nasty. She insisted anyone can be upgraded EXCEPT JFK flights. I got it corrected on the phone but by the time I had it corrected it was too late.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on October 29, 2014, 07:14:03 PM
Almost got the upgrade. The ticket agent was so condescending and nasty. She insisted anyone can be upgraded EXCEPT JFK flights. I got it corrected on the phone but by the time I had it corrected it was too late.
Sorry to hear. Better luck next time. You gotta love NYC agents.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: My Friend on November 05, 2014, 08:10:21 AM
i have a saver award ticketed  leaving this Sunday 11/09/2014 at 3:50 PM. Could I still call and do the PLan B?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on November 05, 2014, 08:40:31 AM
i have a saver award ticketed  leaving this Sunday 11/09/2014 at 3:50 PM. Could I still call and do the PLan B?
You'd need to cancel and rebook the whole thing.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: My Friend on November 05, 2014, 08:50:57 AM
You'd need to cancel and rebook the whole thing.
but they told me there was only one seat left I'm scared if I cancel I will lose it as well. Is no other way it can be done? I have a mileage plus explorer card if that helps.
Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: My Friend on November 05, 2014, 09:47:13 AM
but they told me there was only one seat left I'm scared if I cancel I will lose it as well. Is no other way it can be done? I have a mileage plus explorer card if that helps.
Thanks in advance
Thanks i called up and they changed it I now it looks like this
3:50 p.m.
Sun., Nov. 9, 2014
New York/Newark, NJ (EWR - Liberty)
Arrive:
9:25 a.m. +1 Day
Mon., Nov. 10, 2014
Tel Aviv, Israel (TLV)
Travel Time:
10 hr 35 mn   
Flight: UA84
Aircraft: Boeing 777-200
Fare Class: United Economy (XN) - (I class requested)
Meal: Dinner

What are my chances? Thanks
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on November 05, 2014, 01:28:17 PM
You'd need to cancel and rebook the whole thing.
huh? I am not following, why does he have to cancel and rebook?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: DMYD on November 05, 2014, 03:36:44 PM
Thanks i called up and they changed it I now it looks like this
3:50 p.m.
Sun., Nov. 9, 2014
New York/Newark, NJ (EWR - Liberty)
Arrive:
9:25 a.m. +1 Day
Mon., Nov. 10, 2014
Tel Aviv, Israel (TLV)
Travel Time:
10 hr 35 mn   
Flight: UA84
Aircraft: Boeing 777-200
Fare Class: United Economy (XN) - (I class requested)
Meal: Dinner

What are my chances? Thanks
Yeah looks like only one seat left in J so good luck maybe someone will cancel last minute.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: My Friend on November 05, 2014, 08:20:58 PM
Is J different then I?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on November 05, 2014, 08:40:19 PM
Is J different then I?
Both mean business class. Just different fare rules.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: My Friend on November 05, 2014, 08:45:06 PM
If only j is left open do i stand a chance?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on November 05, 2014, 08:50:34 PM
If only j is left open do i stand a chance?
Yes.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: My Friend on November 05, 2014, 10:31:43 PM
Thanks a ton for your help i will keep you posted. I called up and they told me i am the first on the wait list if that means anything.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Menachem613 on November 08, 2014, 06:33:22 PM
Not exactly a Plan B question.  If I book a United award flight, am I able to change the United flight to another United flight for the same day? Is there a fee or simply not permitted? I am asking because I am hoping a direct flight will be available while only stop-overs are available now.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Joe4007 on November 08, 2014, 07:02:23 PM
Not exactly a Plan B question.  If I book a United award flight, am I able to change the United flight to another United flight for the same day? Is there a fee or simply not permitted? I am asking because I am hoping a direct flight will be available while only stop-overs are available now.
Try here (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=26570.0).
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Menachem613 on November 08, 2014, 07:07:52 PM
Thanks!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: D93 on November 09, 2014, 12:38:45 AM
Thanks a ton for your help i will keep you posted. I called up and they told me i am the first on the wait list if that means anything.
still only 1 seat open.. Better get that pr-1 status!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: bsimchatomid on November 17, 2014, 01:08:27 PM
I want to book a Plan B on a flight with only XN available and no X. When I log into my account I get the message "thanks for being a cardholder..." and I am able to book the expanded saver flight. When I spoke to the rep to book it she said she doesn't see the card linked to my FF account and cannot book the ticket for me. She said I should try to add my credit card info to my profile. I don't have the card on me, I got the number from chase online statement but I need the CVV so it'll have to wait till I get home.   Did anyone ever have this? Is there another workaround?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on November 17, 2014, 02:08:57 PM
I want to book a Plan B on a flight with only XN available and no X. When I log into my account I get the message "thanks for being a cardholder..." and I am able to book the expanded saver flight. When I spoke to the rep to book it she said she doesn't see the card linked to my FF account and cannot book the ticket for me. She said I should try to add my credit card info to my profile. I don't have the card on me, I got the number from chase online statement but I need the CVV so it'll have to wait till I get home.   Did anyone ever have this? Is there another workaround?
HUCA.
If that doesn't work, book the flight online and then call to get Plan B setup.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on November 17, 2014, 02:10:47 PM
I want to book a Plan B on a flight with only XN available and no X. When I log into my account I get the message "thanks for being a cardholder..." and I am able to book the expanded saver flight. When I spoke to the rep to book it she said she doesn't see the card linked to my FF account and cannot book the ticket for me. She said I should try to add my credit card info to my profile. I don't have the card on me, I got the number from chase online statement but I need the CVV so it'll have to wait till I get home.   Did anyone ever have this? Is there another workaround?
Why don't you book it online?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: bsimchatomid on November 17, 2014, 02:44:21 PM
If i book it online can i set up plan b after that
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on November 17, 2014, 02:52:38 PM
If i book it online can i set up plan b after that
Of course.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: bsimchatomid on November 17, 2014, 05:00:34 PM
Of course.
thanks for your help i got it done after the 6th rep ::)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on November 17, 2014, 06:47:03 PM
thanks for your help i got it done after the 6th rep ::)
Good luck! When is your flight?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: bsimchatomid on November 17, 2014, 06:58:30 PM
Good luck! When is your flight?
Jan28 trough feb2
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Hershelsdeals on November 17, 2014, 07:15:34 PM
Jan28 trough feb2
Confirmed in business?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: bsimchatomid on November 17, 2014, 07:19:40 PM
Confirmed in business?
Not yet i have "i class requested"
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: alexk. on November 17, 2014, 08:48:47 PM
I am looking to get 2 seats on the 11:25am UA flight TLV-EWR on 11/20. It looks like there are 15 seats open in business. Any chance of pulling a plan B or of them opening up saver biz? If I were to book a standard award can I still "wait list" for the business saver award?

Thanks all for your help.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: bsimchatomid on November 17, 2014, 11:28:38 PM
I got waitlisted for "i" class is there a chance that I will get my business seat faster if I request to be waitlisted for "in" class?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on November 17, 2014, 11:34:12 PM
I got waitlisted for "i" class is there a chance that I will get my business seat faster if I request to be waitlisted for "in" class?
Yes. But why should they wait-list you for IN? Though it happens some times. You might be lucky.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: bsimchatomid on November 18, 2014, 11:52:44 AM
I came across this piece of info in some random FT website:
If the agent you speak with doesn’t know about this tell him or her to look up “DRS reference page MPWAI – Line 37″ in the computer system. That will provide all of the instructions needed to book your flight correctly.
I didn"t try it did anyone ever hear of this code?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on November 18, 2014, 02:41:35 PM
Try it and let us know?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: tired on November 20, 2014, 11:13:51 PM
anybody have any success getting PR-1 status in TLV-EWR?
thanks for your help!! 
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: netzih on November 22, 2014, 05:58:09 PM
Booked ewr-lax-mel in business saver award November 23. Ewr-lax (flight 1665) is not currently available .they say there is 1 seat available and 25 passengers eligible for upgrade. What are the chances of me getting on that flight?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AharonInIsrael on November 24, 2014, 02:47:04 AM
anybody have any success getting PR-1 status in TLV-EWR?
thanks for your help!!
Since no one has answered that they have, I will tell you that I was unsuccessful this summer (pretty sure the details are in this thread)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: tired on November 24, 2014, 01:56:52 PM
Thanks.  i read about your experience.  i am afraid i am heading in that direction.
i hope someone will have some useful advice.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: coralsnake on November 24, 2014, 02:05:43 PM
Thanks.  i read about your experience.  i am afraid i am heading in that direction.
i hope someone will have some useful advice.
Many people have gotten it. Unless youre on the plane in an economy seat, theres still a chance.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: tired on November 24, 2014, 04:01:13 PM
in TLV?  i spoke with a united rep from the call back number and she said that there are many ahead of me.  when i tried to explain i have priority-well.......it was like talking to a a wall.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: boropark123 on November 24, 2014, 05:45:28 PM
If I'm booked on a plan b leaving tomorrow, but don't see my name on the wait list, should I call in united or is this the norm?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on November 24, 2014, 05:50:06 PM

If I'm booked on a plan b leaving tomorrow, but don't see my name on the wait list, should I call in united or is this the norm?

You checked in?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on November 24, 2014, 05:52:23 PM
If I'm booked on a plan b leaving tomorrow, but don't see my name on the wait list, should I call in united or is this the norm?
Read DDMS post.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: boropark123 on November 24, 2014, 06:36:17 PM

You checked in?
No. But should I?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: boropark123 on November 24, 2014, 06:38:28 PM

Read DDMS post.
Oh, got that now, missed the line where it says that it gets removed within 24
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: mmm740 on November 24, 2014, 06:55:10 PM
If I book an economy ticket and pay the fee to add an infant (international), and than call to setup plan b, would they charge me more for the infant?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on November 24, 2014, 07:31:17 PM
in TLV?  i spoke with a united rep from the call back number and she said that there are many ahead of me.  when i tried to explain i have priority-well.......it was like talking to a a wall.
The call back rep can't give you PR-1 status. You have to get it at the airport.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: tired on November 25, 2014, 06:15:38 PM
did anyone have any luck getting PR-1 status in TLV?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: tired on November 28, 2014, 07:33:12 AM
just landed.  was # 13 and 14 in upgrade list.  8 people got upgraded. not my wife and I:(
gal blum was running the flight and shut me down when i told him we should have priority. 
went to supervisor told him that we paid higher point rate and that hadasah in TLV office said that our ticket was noted be priority to business class seats.  he was just about convinced-he called Gal and was shut down. 
gal was adamant that we did not have priority-but we are eligible to get our points back.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: D93 on November 28, 2014, 07:54:40 AM
just landed.  was # 13 and 14 in upgrade list.  8 people got upgraded. not my wife and I:(
gal blum was running the flight and shut me down when i told him we should have priority. 
went to supervisor told him that we paid higher point rate and that hadasah in TLV office said that our ticket was noted be priority to business class seats.  he was just about convinced-he called Gal and was shut down. 
gal was adamant that we did not have priority-but we are eligible to get our points back.
did you mention "gg onestandby" lines 85-89?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: D93 on November 29, 2014, 05:24:42 PM
Anyone ever do a plan b on ZRH-IAD?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on November 29, 2014, 06:32:25 PM
Anyone ever do a plan b on ZRH-IAD?
It's an easy auto-upgrade.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: stokes on December 02, 2014, 09:18:11 AM
has anyone ever gotten 4 seats upgraded via plan B?  i have a reservation for july
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: 3yummyboys on December 09, 2014, 06:30:16 PM
What's the likelihood of using plan B and ending up in Business on United NYC to Hawaii in August. Anyone have experience if they normally fill up?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: kangarruu on December 09, 2014, 06:45:41 PM
What's the likelihood of using plan B and ending up in Business on United NYC to Hawaii in August. Anyone have experience if they normally fill up?

I did with two people each way without a problem. The upgrade went through in advance.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on December 09, 2014, 11:51:21 PM
So I was at EWR bwfore and found a friendly supervisor and started schmoozing with him about airline stuff... I asked him if he ever heard about United plan B and he looked at me with two eyes ... so i explained him everything and told him about getting PR-1 status, so he tells me "the only person who gets PR-1 status is a business class pax who has missed his previous flight. So I told him to check up gg standby line 85-89 and he looked at at it and he tells me that 1) it starts from line 83 and 2) it does not say anything about this kind of award, it just says how to put someone in top off the list. Then he had to go so I couldn't ask him to read through that area to see if it says something about this award. So @Dan if you know someone in UA please check again what the correct lines are. Maybe they recently changed around the lines...
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on December 09, 2014, 11:54:41 PM
Currently on line 81.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Matovu on December 10, 2014, 12:04:12 AM
Currently on line 81.

Maybe please update DDMS
I actually booked one of these today for the very first time. I then proceeded to print out the post from DD that discusses this to make chazarah and to be prepared in the airport.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on December 10, 2014, 12:06:30 AM
Maybe please update DDMS
I actually booked one of these today for the very first time. I then proceedes to print out the post from DD that discusses this to make chazarah and to be prepared in the airport.
+1, or the wiki, or both.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on December 10, 2014, 12:18:42 AM
Currently on line 81.
Duh! He felt so cool that he was right that only business class pax who missed the flight get PR-1 status. Maybe update the main site.

Can you copy what exactly it says on line 81?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Matovu on December 10, 2014, 12:20:29 AM
Just update the post without updating the website, making it come to the front and we all get tweets...
Can that be done ?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on December 10, 2014, 12:21:54 AM
The DDMS post has been updated since before I wrote here that it has moved to 81.

I don't know exactly what it says, but DDF founder Eli reported the move to 81 when attempting a plan B TLV.

Took him several employees until they agreed to make him #1 on the upgrade list, though nobody knew how to actually add PR-1 there so on UA.com he was still showing 14...  Didn't matter anyway, J was totally full, not a single upgrade on his flight.

So he redeposited and flew LH :D
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Matovu on December 10, 2014, 12:31:35 AM
Yup,
Gotta look in the comments.
Comment 122 from Eli.
 Though would be nice to update the post itself as we use it as refrence.
Thanks anyway
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on December 10, 2014, 12:35:11 AM
Chabibi, the post has been updated for the past hour already. Don't make me CTLMS you!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: D93 on December 10, 2014, 12:43:22 AM
What's the exact wording of line 81? Does it say anything specificly about getting pr-1 even with an award ticket?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on December 10, 2014, 12:44:00 AM
CTLMS?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: D93 on December 10, 2014, 12:46:47 AM
CTLMS?
CTLMS - Comments That Leave Me Speechless (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=10531.0)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on December 10, 2014, 12:47:06 AM

CTLMS - Comments That Leave Me Speechless (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=10531.0)

Ahh thanks.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on December 10, 2014, 01:15:50 AM
Chabibi, the post has been updated for the past hour already. Don't make me CTLMS you!
I was checking this post http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/23569 thats what cam up when i goggled it at the airport. maybe update this post as well?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Matovu on December 10, 2014, 01:24:23 AM
I was checking this post http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/23569 thats what cam up when i goggled it at the airport. maybe update this post as well?

And guess what,
We may all be "chabibis"
But he updated it all.
good night
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on December 10, 2014, 01:29:18 AM
And guess what,
We may all be "chabibis"
But he updated it all.
good night
That post was just now updated after I asked for it.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: E-MAN on December 11, 2014, 05:24:46 PM
Do any of the other airlines do something like this? preferably AA  ;)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on December 11, 2014, 05:25:41 PM
Do any of the other airlines do something like this? preferably AA  ;)
No
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: stokes on December 11, 2014, 08:20:11 PM
has anyone ever gotten 4 seats upgraded via plan B?  i have a reservation for july
bump


its for EWR to TLV- anyone ever gotten 4 through successful for TLV?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on December 15, 2014, 02:39:07 PM
bump


its for EWR to TLV- anyone ever gotten 4 through successful for TLV?
Why don't you try and let us know what happens.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ShmuliT on December 26, 2014, 01:29:15 PM
I booked JFK-LAX-SYD domestic, and then called to upgrade.
I now have LAX-SYD confirmed in I, but JFK-LAX is "Fare Class: United Economy (XN) - (R class requested)."
Can I call now and request Plan B or is it to late?
What do I ask for?

From what I understand Plan B is if there was no Business availability and you want to book a ticket. I had a ticket and there was availability for the international leg, and they wait listed me for the domestic.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on December 29, 2014, 07:32:07 PM
Anyone have success doing Plan B on EWR<>HNL?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: @Yehuda on December 29, 2014, 07:35:06 PM
Anyone have success doing Plan B on EWR<>HNL?
Just to keep in mind - using UA miles isn't the cheapest way to fly UA metal to get to HNL.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on December 29, 2014, 07:35:46 PM
Just to keep in mind - using UA miles isn't the cheapest way to fly UA metal to get to HNL.

I'm aware, mon frere :)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: @Yehuda on December 29, 2014, 07:37:01 PM
I'm aware, mon frere :)
:)
More important to get the seats than to save 10K or so miles. I agree and may come down to that myself soon.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Joe4007 on December 29, 2014, 07:37:54 PM
Anyone have success doing Plan B on EWR<>HNL?
Depends how you define success. I had 2 seats open up in I, but I had to call in to actually get those seats.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on December 29, 2014, 07:39:41 PM
Depends how you define success. I had 2 seats open up in I, but I had to call in to actually get those seats.

I'd consider that success.

How far in advance did you clear?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ShmuliT on December 29, 2014, 07:44:25 PM
I booked JFK-LAX-SYD domestic, and then called to upgrade.
I now have LAX-SYD confirmed in I, but JFK-LAX is "Fare Class: United Economy (XN) - (R class requested)."
Can I call now and request Plan B or is it to late?
What do I ask for?

From what I understand Plan B is if there was no Business availability and you want to book a ticket. I had a ticket and there was availability for the international leg, and they wait listed me for the domestic.
Bump
So is there anything i can do over the phone at this stage, or only within 24 hrs?

If I go to the airport the night before, will i need to check in and clear security to speak to a lounge agent? or can a check in agent help?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Joe4007 on December 29, 2014, 07:44:36 PM
I'd consider that success.

How far in advance did you clear?
4 days.

The only way to not feel guilty about the extra 10k would probably be to clear the wait list at the airport.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: @Yehuda on December 29, 2014, 07:51:53 PM
The only way to not feel guilty about the extra 10k would probably be to clear the wait list at the airport.
Except that I also have 200K LH that I don't know what to do with...
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on December 29, 2014, 07:52:03 PM
Anyone have success doing Plan B on EWR<>HNL?
Should be an easy plan B route.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on December 29, 2014, 08:47:15 PM
Should be an easy plan B route.
I would add to take a look at the current inventory if flexible with dates. Try looking for flights with P9 etc..
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on December 29, 2014, 08:49:53 PM
I would add to take a look at the current inventory if flexible with dates. Try looking for flights with P9 etc..
I'm sure AJK will figure that out.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on December 29, 2014, 08:50:11 PM
New - much easier way to set up plan B. Just book a flight say EWR-HNL for any date that has availability in J then call in UA to change to your desire date, when the rep will tell you "hey there is no availability on your date" just tell the rep that its fine, just leave the miles I paid and request I class. Its probably YMMV but by me it always worked great.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on December 29, 2014, 08:50:48 PM
I'm sure AJK will figure that out.
AJK is very into miles, Im not sure he knows what P class means  ;)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on December 29, 2014, 08:51:00 PM
New - much easier way to set up plan B. Just book a flight say EWR-HNL for any date that has availability in J then call in UA to change to your desire date, when the rep will tell you "hey there is no availability on your date" just tell the rep that its fine just leave the miles I paid and request I class. Its probably YMMV but by me it always worked great.
What happens if you don't clear and there's no X?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on December 29, 2014, 08:52:23 PM
What happens if you don't clear and there's no X?
Same as Plan B, that's just another way of phrasing it.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on December 29, 2014, 08:53:03 PM
What happens if you don't clear and there's no X?
I'm talking about changing to a date which has X class available but no I class.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on December 29, 2014, 08:55:45 PM
I think the reason why this way is easier is because it requires some complicated clicks to pull miles for I without actually selling an I class. But in this case the miles are already pulled. Whatever it is, the phone call takes just about 7 minutes.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on December 29, 2014, 08:56:43 PM
I think the reason why this way is easier is because it requires some complicated clicks to pull miles for I without actually selling an I class. But in this case the miles are already pulled. Whatever it is, the phone call takes just about 7 minutes.
Got it, thanks for explaining.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Devorah on January 04, 2015, 03:20:06 AM
Anyone ever had Plan B work on the new LAX-MEL route on the Dreamliner?  They haven't opened up one BF seat as far as I can check.

Also, if I don't clear on the return, can I continue in first on the LAX-... flight and still receive a refund by calling UA afterwards?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on January 04, 2015, 03:23:50 AM

Anyone ever had Plan B work on the new LAX-MEL route on the Dreamliner?  They haven't opened up one BF seat as far as I can check.

Also, if I don't clear on the return, can I continue in first on the LAX-... flight and still receive a refund by calling UA afterwards?

??? March 16 has IN9
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Devorah on January 04, 2015, 03:26:45 AM
??? March 16 has IN9
Not showing when I search online.  The entire calendar is yellow...
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on January 04, 2015, 03:29:02 AM

Not showing when I search online.  The entire calendar is yellow...

You have a United CC? IN is for card holders or status.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Devorah on January 04, 2015, 03:29:21 AM
You have a United CC? IN is for card holders or status.
yes
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on January 04, 2015, 03:33:59 AM

yes
See pic
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/04/18e9798608146102162a7f01cc444c85.jpg)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Devorah on January 04, 2015, 03:36:39 AM
See pic
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/04/18e9798608146102162a7f01cc444c85.jpg)
that is totally weird.  i've got both the explorer and club cards and showing nada.  ur correct - when i check expert mode, it shows IN9. 
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on January 04, 2015, 03:37:57 AM

that is totally weird.  i've got both the explorer and club cards and showing nada.  ur correct - when i check expert mode, it shows I9.

And with that I Shall say good night
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Devorah on January 04, 2015, 03:40:10 AM
And with that I Shall say good night
thanks for your help.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Devorah on January 04, 2015, 03:45:17 AM
Are you elite by any chance?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: sillypainter on January 04, 2015, 03:49:06 AM
Are you elite by any chance?

He may not know, but IN is for elites only, and he is elite. Only XN is for cardholders.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Devorah on January 04, 2015, 03:50:01 AM
He may not know, but IN is for elites only, and he is elite. Only XN is for cardholders.
well that explains it - thanks.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on January 04, 2015, 09:42:48 AM
IN is for status holders.
ftfy
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on January 04, 2015, 12:03:45 PM
Well now i know as well.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: runnergirl on January 04, 2015, 04:26:37 PM
On the phone with UA doing a Plan B right now - my first time - so nervous!  Wish me luck!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on January 04, 2015, 04:32:19 PM
GL
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: runnergirl on January 04, 2015, 04:35:20 PM
GL

Thanks still on...
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: DMYD on January 04, 2015, 04:37:44 PM
On the phone with UA doing a Plan B right now - my first time - so nervous!  Wish me luck!
Ha Ha do they know what your talking about?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: runnergirl on January 04, 2015, 04:39:36 PM
Ha Ha do they know what your talking about?

Not at first but I think she go it and she's pretty far into the process although she has put me on hold 5 or 6 times already.  I'll keep you posted! Getting set up is only the first hurdle, getting the space cleared in another!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on January 04, 2015, 07:04:06 PM
On the following routing:

1) LAX-JFK(stop) on UA
2) EWR-IST-TLV on partner
3) TLV-EWR on UA

Can I plan B both 1 and 3?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on January 04, 2015, 07:04:49 PM
Sure
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: runnergirl on January 04, 2015, 09:05:31 PM
Sure

Set up plan be on:
TLV-EWR-PBI on Oct 5th (end of Succos). Business wide open. Think it will get cleared?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: runnergirl on January 04, 2015, 09:05:55 PM
Set up plan be on:
TLV-EWR-PBI on Oct 5th (end of Succos). Business wide open. Think it will get cleared?

Meant Plan B!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on January 04, 2015, 10:15:36 PM
Look good?

(http://i.gyazo.com/a3548bbc73d5315e43a24d25d29f1ba9.png)

Miles for the second Plan B have not been taken from my account, but the rep--who, for the record, seemed very confident and knew exactly the Plan B procedure--said it that it is a manual process and may take up to 24 hours for the additional miles to be taken from my account. My recollection from reading this thread is that the miles were taken immediately. Need I be concerned?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on January 04, 2015, 10:22:30 PM
Meant Plan B!
These flights are usually completely sold out weeks before Succos.... So UA might wanna keep all the seats for revenue customers..
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on January 04, 2015, 10:38:00 PM
Look good?

(http://i.gyazo.com/a3548bbc73d5315e43a24d25d29f1ba9.png)

Miles for the second Plan B have not been taken from my account, but the rep--who, for the record, seemed very confident and knew exactly the Plan B procedure--said it that it is a manual process and may take up to 24 hours for the additional miles to be taken from my account. My recollection from reading this thread is that the miles were taken immediately. Need I be concerned?

Also, does a Plan B need to completed within 24 hours of ticketing to avoid a change fee, or can it be done anytime?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on January 04, 2015, 10:41:27 PM
Look good?

(http://i.gyazo.com/a3548bbc73d5315e43a24d25d29f1ba9.png)

Miles for the second Plan B have not been taken from my account, but the rep--who, for the record, seemed very confident and knew exactly the Plan B procedure--said it that it is a manual process and may take up to 24 hours for the additional miles to be taken from my account. My recollection from reading this thread is that the miles were taken immediately. Need I be concerned?
No. They are not always deducted immediately.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on January 04, 2015, 10:42:04 PM
No. They are not always deducted immediately.

Thanks. I'll sleep easier tonight :)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on January 04, 2015, 11:08:58 PM
Actually, I'm confused.

For HNL-EWR (in UA Y) // JFK-IST-TLV (on TK J) // TLV-EWR (on UA Y) they deducted 127.5K p/p and I'm not sure why...

Any thoughts?

Hawaii-Middle east in J = 75K
ME-USA = 70K.
 
But they didn't take 145K.

Nor did they take what would have been taken had I not done Plan B, which would have been 75K + 42.5K = 117.5K...

 ???
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dr Moose on January 04, 2015, 11:14:16 PM
how much is partner award?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MEIR613 on January 04, 2015, 11:16:34 PM
Actually, I'm confused.

For HNL-EWR (in UA Y) // JFK-IST-TLV (on TK J) // TLV-EWR (on UA Y) they deducted 127.5K p/p and I'm not sure why...

Any thoughts?

Hawaii-Middle east in J = 75K
ME-USA = 70K.
 
But they didn't take 145K.

Nor did they take what would have been taken had I not done Plan B, which would have been 75K + 42.5K = 117.5K...

 ???
Partner award HI-ME J = 85k.

ME-USA Y = 42.5k.

85k + 42.5k = 127.5k

Seems like they didn't deduct for the ME-USA leg
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on January 04, 2015, 11:18:23 PM
Thanks. I'll sleep easier tonight :)
What does the eticket show?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on January 04, 2015, 11:19:11 PM
Partner award HI-ME J = 85k.

ME-USA Y = 42.5k.

85k + 42.5k = 127.5k

Seems like they didn't deduct for the ME-USA leg

That's it. Thanks. So I need another 37.5K in my account per passenger (80-42.5) for Plan B.

No I know why miles haven't been taken... I have less than 75K in there! Doh.

I guess I need to make it 75K or my Plan B won't work, eh?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on January 04, 2015, 11:20:44 PM
What does the eticket show?

(http://i.gyazo.com/569bdcf60f9c5c34ed207d041bc52bba.png)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MEIR613 on January 04, 2015, 11:20:55 PM
That's it. Thanks. So I need another 37.5K in my account per passenger (80-42.5) for Plan B.

No I know why miles haven't been taken... I have less than 75K in there! Doh.
-1

27.5k + 42.5k = 70k UA J ME-US
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on January 04, 2015, 11:22:03 PM
-1

27.5k + 42.5k = 70k UA J ME-US

Goodness. Tonight is not my night.

I need 55K in there, and I have just shy of that. Perhaps that's why the miles have not been taken  :o

Do I need to reset it up from scratch? Or can I just transfer in now?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MEIR613 on January 04, 2015, 11:25:50 PM
Do I need to reset it up from scratch? Or can I just transfer in now?
No clue. Not a big Plan B guy.

Can't really rely on that ;)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: efflpetzel on January 04, 2015, 11:53:46 PM
(http://i.gyazo.com/569bdcf60f9c5c34ed207d041bc52bba.png)
Good luck on the last leg clearing, I've yet to hear one Plan B success story ex TLV
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on January 04, 2015, 11:54:37 PM
I really don't have much hope for it even before that... it's right after Sukkos.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Joe4007 on January 05, 2015, 01:01:54 AM
LIH-HNL is a separate award, right?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on January 05, 2015, 01:04:51 AM
LIH-HNL is a separate award, right?

Same.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Joe4007 on January 05, 2015, 01:07:13 AM
Same.
Then you need to add an additional 6k.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on January 05, 2015, 01:07:25 AM
Then you need to add an additional 6k.

Yep.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Knaper_Chuchem on January 05, 2015, 02:26:03 AM
Good luck on the last leg clearing, I've yet to hear one Plan B success story ex TLV

I beg to differ. I once cleared Plan B LHR-EWR (there was zero availability that route for the month), I also cleared TLV-EWR waitlist in hot season once. This wasn't plan B actually, I was booked with US TLV-PHL-LGA and did the old fashioned waitlist on UA direct and I cleared within 24 hours of flight. For that reason I'd never discourage anyone from trying!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AharonInIsrael on January 05, 2015, 03:16:22 AM

I beg to differ. I once cleared Plan B LHR-EWR (there was zero availability that route for the month), I also cleared TLV-EWR waitlist in hot season once. This wasn't plan B actually, I was booked with US TLV-PHL-LGA and did the old fashioned waitlist on UA direct and I cleared within 24 hours of flight. For that reason I'd never discourage anyone from trying!
From the reports on this thread, I haven't seen anyone receive the PR - 1 status in TLV, so I'm excited to see if runnergirl and AJK will be successful and teach the rest of us how to convince the Israeli UA agents :-)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on January 05, 2015, 02:18:47 PM
Theoretically, if UA opens saver on a segment on which I'm waitlisted, I should automatically clear, right?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Knaper_Chuchem on January 05, 2015, 02:48:37 PM
Theoretically, if UA opens saver on a segment on which I'm waitlisted, I should automatically clear, right?

No. I had in the past that they opened saver and me waitlist didn't clear. I had to call in and do a manual change and paid a change fee which is waived if the waitlist clears. (For the none status ppl)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Joe4007 on January 05, 2015, 02:58:17 PM
Theoretically, if UA opens saver on a segment on which I'm waitlisted, I should automatically clear, right?
If by waitlisted you mean plan b, then yes.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on January 05, 2015, 11:07:20 PM
Theoretically, if UA opens saver on a segment on which I'm waitlisted, I should automatically clear, right?
Theoretically, yes. But it doesn't always work that way.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jbkr101 on January 07, 2015, 08:11:17 PM
does plan b only work on united flights or will it work for a air Canada flight booked thru united?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Joe4007 on January 07, 2015, 08:21:40 PM
does plan b only work on united flights or will it work for a air Canada flight booked thru united?
Only UA.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jbkr101 on January 07, 2015, 11:39:51 PM
Only UA.
thanks
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: nobiggy on January 08, 2015, 07:03:10 PM
I need some serious help explaining to these ignorant reps at united that Plan B is possible.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: efflpetzel on January 08, 2015, 07:05:08 PM
I need some serious help explaining to these ignorant reps at united that Plan B is possible.
its all depends on how you word it
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: nobiggy on January 08, 2015, 07:09:44 PM
its all depends on how you word it
tips?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on January 08, 2015, 07:16:03 PM
tips?
Try the ilherman mehalech
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=1894.msg1011456#msg1011456
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: efflpetzel on January 08, 2015, 07:16:38 PM
tips?

from the post in the wiki
Quote
You need to tell the agent that you found United coach saver award availability but would like to purchase and be issued a business class saver award, be seated in coach, and waitlisted for a business class seat.

say it word for word
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: efflpetzel on January 08, 2015, 07:17:22 PM
Try the ilherman mehalech
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=1894.msg1011456#msg1011456
or this :)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: nobiggy on January 08, 2015, 08:22:15 PM
Still no go.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: nobiggy on January 08, 2015, 08:48:34 PM
No one understands what I am saying. :'(
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on January 08, 2015, 08:53:28 PM
No one understands what I am saying. :'(

You try the call back?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: nobiggy on January 08, 2015, 09:00:36 PM
You try the call back?
I can't I am not in USA.
I'm on with another manager who I think is understanding.
I'll post back when I have an update that it's ticketed.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: kangarruu on January 08, 2015, 09:04:35 PM
No one understands what I am saying. :'(

I've had some success getting agents to cooperate by giving them the URL for the page that says:

Quote
You may redeem miles for travel in United Global First, United First, United Business or United BusinessFirst, even if the space is not available. In these cases, United Economy in the same award type must be confirmed, and the front cabin will be waitlisted. If the courtesy waitlist does not clear, it will expire 24 hours before itinerary departure, and you will automatically be added to the airport upgrade standby list upon check-in. In these cases, you will be confirmed on a space-available basis by a United airport representative at the gate once the flight has closed for check-in. For United BusinessFirst and United Business travel awards, the difference in miles will be refunded when the United BusinessFirst or United Business class segment of the trip could not be confirmed. Waitlist requests may only be made over the phone with your local United Customer Contact Center. (http://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/mileageplus/awards/travel/types.aspx)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: nobiggy on January 08, 2015, 09:32:47 PM
Success!!! ;D

Here's the story:
I was on the phone for a good 1.5 hours with absolutely no luck, I was very upset and had no clue what to do. I got transferred from one rep. to the next and to managers and nothing. I began to think one of the requirements to work for UA is being a drop out or something. I guided them on the website and showed them where it says the rule is allowed and nothing. I even told them about CORE and nothing.

I was on my last string of patience speaking to a manager and I told her I need to speak to someone who knows what they are doing, of course she got upset and told me I am not transferring you....
Ok time for a HUCA! I love that rule.

Finally I get transferred to a manager in Detroit by the name of Lenda Gordon and at first she said it's only for members with status but after telling her about CORE and the works she knew exactly what I meant.
I had a nice chat with her and she was telling me about this rule that it's not so know but pretty sweet!
5 minutes later the ticket was booked!
As we were rapping up the conversation I asked her what should I do in the future so she tells me the following: You need to speak to a "Service Director" for only they have permission to take out more miles than the ticket you are officially getting seating in, the "agents on the floor" can't do this, and of course she told me to mention CORE......
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: sillypainter on January 08, 2015, 09:55:29 PM
Success!!! ;D

Here's the story:
I was on the phone for a good 1.5 hours with absolutely no luck, I was very upset and had no clue what to do. I got transferred from one rep. to the next and to managers and nothing. I began to think one of the requirements to work for UA is being a drop out or something. I guided them on the website and showed them where it says the rule is allowed and nothing. I even told them about CORE and nothing.

I was on my last string of patience speaking to a manager and I told her I need to speak to someone who knows what they are doing, of course she got upset and told me I am not transferring you....
Ok time for a HUCA! I love that rule.

Finally I get transferred to a manager in Detroit by the name of Lenda Gordon and at first she said it's only for members with status but after telling her about CORE and the works she knew exactly what I meant.
I had a nice chat with her and she was telling me about this rule that it's not so know but pretty sweet!
5 minutes later the ticket was booked!
As we were rapping up the conversation I asked her what should I do in the future so she tells me the following: You need to speak to a "Service Director" for only they have permission to take out more miles than the ticket you are officially getting seating in, the "agents on the floor" can't do this, and of course she told me to mention CORE......

Im glad for your success. Calling the main number gives you Indian call centers, you need to use the callback line. They know their stuff.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: stokes on January 08, 2015, 10:29:01 PM
Agreed. Call back line is the way to go.
I have 4 plan b tickets setup for July. Will have to wait to see if they clear.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Matovu on January 09, 2015, 12:23:27 AM
Call back number
Call back number
Now im screaming : "call back number".
Okay ?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on January 09, 2015, 12:39:44 AM
Call back number
Call back number
Now im screaming : "call back number".
Okay ?

And your point is?
Title: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: efflpetzel on January 09, 2015, 01:13:24 AM
Hmm that's a good question, does the callback number only work in the USA?

Why wouldn't I be able to enter an Israeli number?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Matovu on January 09, 2015, 01:14:52 AM
And your point is?

I did call back yesterday to a European cell phone number.
Just type in area code and number.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: 3yummyboys on January 14, 2015, 07:45:07 PM
If I have a plan B award and do not get upgraded to business 24 hours before the flight, does PR1 status mean that if there is an available business class seat then I (or someone else with PR1 status) would automatically get it?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on January 14, 2015, 07:55:05 PM
If I have a plan B award and do not get upgraded to business 24 hours before the flight, does PR1 status mean that if there is an available business class seat then I (or someone else with PR1 status) would automatically get it?

Essentially yes.

Question is, how do they determine which of two or more people on the same flight with PR1 status get the upgrade...
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on January 14, 2015, 07:56:31 PM
Probably the same way any upgrades are prioritized.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on January 14, 2015, 08:08:22 PM
Probably the same way any upgrades are prioritized.

And that's a whole ball of wax, between revenue/award, elite status, timing, instruments/CPU, etc. Know anywhere it's spelled out clearly?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on January 14, 2015, 08:16:19 PM
http://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/mileageplus/awards/upgrade/default.aspx
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: shimino1 on January 14, 2015, 08:16:53 PM

As we were rapping up the conversation
I would love to hear the lyrics ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on January 14, 2015, 08:55:43 PM
http://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/mileageplus/awards/upgrade/default.aspx

I found that, too.

That does a terrible job explaining. Or perhaps I've just had a very long day (including having a judge almost put me in jail).
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Matovu on January 14, 2015, 09:02:25 PM
I found that, too.

That does a terrible job explaining. Or perhaps I've just had a very long day (including having a judge almost put me in jail).

Jail ?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: shimino1 on January 14, 2015, 09:05:47 PM
Jail ?
Credit card fraud ;)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on January 14, 2015, 09:10:26 PM
Jail ?

Yep. Contempt of court. Was an... invigorating day :)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on January 14, 2015, 09:36:33 PM
I found that, too.

That does a terrible job explaining. Or perhaps I've just had a very long day (including having a judge almost put me in jail).

Now now, do you want to go on your trip or come back to shallots??

Behave yourself. I ain't wasting 15k avois to come bail you out.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: 3yummyboys on January 14, 2015, 09:49:55 PM

I found that, too.

That does a terrible job explaining. Or perhaps I've just had a very long day (including having a judge almost put me in jail).

Wow you're leaving us with a cliffhanger
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: kangarruu on January 14, 2015, 11:07:35 PM
Now now, do you want to go on your trip or come back to shallots??

Behave yourself. I ain't wasting 15k avois to come bail you out.

You can't be bailed out of contempt. The person held in contempt is generally seen as holding the keys to his own cell (in civil contempt).

AJK shouldn't go to jail because we use his trip reports as inspiration.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on January 14, 2015, 11:25:18 PM
If I ever end up getting thrown in the can C"V I'll use that as a mitigating factor ;)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: skinfarrock on January 19, 2015, 12:36:02 AM
Got plan b on ua90 ewr-tlv aside for staying away from some jerk at the priority check in and to ask for p-1 at the lounge. Any other suggestions?? Tips??
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on January 19, 2015, 12:36:45 AM
Don't be late to the airport.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: skinfarrock on January 19, 2015, 12:37:56 AM
Plan on heading out of lkwd around 6pm(ish) for 10:45pm flight. Too late?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: skinfarrock on January 19, 2015, 12:47:13 AM
Just rechecked my reservation seems like they didn't put me on the waiting list at all and I'm R requested. Something that's really odd is my wife has been removed from my confirmation number!!!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on January 19, 2015, 12:51:35 AM
Just rechecked my reservation seems like they didn't put me on the waiting list at all and I'm R requested. Something that's really odd is my wife has been removed from my confirmation number!!!
When is the flight?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: skinfarrock on January 19, 2015, 01:15:43 AM
Tomorrow Jan 19
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Million Miler on January 19, 2015, 05:37:42 AM
Got plan b on ua90 ewr-tlv aside for staying away from some jerk at the priority check in and to ask for p-1 at the lounge. Any other suggestions?? Tips??
Mention it as you checkin at the regular economy checkin, I've had success there. Since there were 3 seats still available for sale, the guy cleared me into Business without waitlististing me.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on January 19, 2015, 09:28:20 AM
Tomorrow Jan 19
Thats why. Within 24 hours it changes to R class requested. You're good.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on January 19, 2015, 09:28:57 AM
Mention it as you checkin at the regular economy checkin, I've had success there. Since there were 3 seats still available for sale, the guy cleared me into Business without waitlististing me.
Nice! Where was this in EWR?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on January 19, 2015, 09:40:03 AM
Plan on heading out of lkwd around 6pm(ish) for 10:45pm flight. Too late?
The earlier the better.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Million Miler on January 19, 2015, 10:02:11 AM
Nice! Where was this in EWR?
Yes. out of EWR. I went the night before and got bounced around from one person to another, and didnt get anywhere. There is an Israeli lady who works at the UA special services desk that was rude and not very helpful and told me I was wasting my time. so when I went the next day I sort of gave up, so I just went to the regular checkin and just mentioned it to the guy working there and he looks at his computer and says "I see it, would you like to sit in seat 5k?" .... that is my experience.  p.s. it was on the ewr-tlv route
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: skinfarrock on January 19, 2015, 10:52:52 PM
I didn't get it for the way there ewr-tlv how do I get my miles back?

Any tips for tlv-ewr?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AharonInIsrael on January 20, 2015, 10:44:38 AM
I didn't get it for the way there ewr-tlv how do I get my miles back?
Quote
IME should be automatic, but you can PUTPAC if you don't see it automatically in a day or two.
Any tips for tlv-ewr?
Haven't seen any reported success. A couple people were going to try, but they rebooked on USAirways, so we won't find out. When's your flight? Why didn't you get it EWR-TLV?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: skinfarrock on January 21, 2015, 03:01:24 AM
Haven't seen any reported success. A couple people were going to try, but they rebooked on USAirways, so we won't find out. When's your flight? Why didn't you get it EWR-TLV?

Went to like 5 agents one tried but couldn't get me on the list the other's claimed they can't touch award bookings. :(
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: D93 on January 21, 2015, 03:02:20 AM
Went to like 5 agents one tried but couldn't get me on the list the other's claimed they can't touch award bookings. :(
Did you try in the UA Club?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Platinum on January 21, 2015, 07:59:46 AM
I didn't get it for the way there ewr-tlv how do I get my miles back?

Any tips for tlv-ewr?
your going to have to call united to get the refund
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: skinfarrock on January 21, 2015, 09:31:54 AM
Did you try in the UA Club?

I first went to terminal A at EWR bec they are domestic and I was hoping they would be clueless and just seat me in the open business seats. They said they don't do international ( I know they do bec I have checked in there for tlv flights before)

I then went to terminal C economy check in they knew about plan b and straight asked me "Where you seated in business or just wait listed??" I just played dumb and kept repeating I don't know I was told I should ask for "ggoneupgrade" (or whatever Dan says in the post I had it open on my phone the whole time) she eventually with enough schmoozing up (she just got back from Cancun was there for a wedding) she agreed to p-1 wait list me but she claimed the system wouldn't let her she claims she even called the "help desk" (not sure if that's good or bad)

I then went to the premier access check in (bad idea) she claimed award says I can't be wait listed bec they never took the miles for business from my account and they couldn't take the 175K necessary at that time bec my balance was less then that.

So I figured I'll try the lounge (side note it was PACKED with yidden) she was really sweet and said she will try but as soon as she looked at my reservation in the system she saw the notes from the premier access agent and just stated word for word what she told me/wrote in the notes.

So dead end and cattle class for me :) :) yay!!

Although I did take I forgot who's advice and made sure I had normal seats in economy just in case.

Now I have to work on my trip back. I'm confirmed on tlv-ewr 11am on 1/27 and wait listed for I on that fought and the 11pm (the one I really want but can't get on it yet [I have a wedding that night in tel Aviv]) any ideas??
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on January 21, 2015, 09:34:45 AM
I then went to the premier access check in (bad idea) she claimed award says I can't be wait listed bec they never took the miles for business from my account and they couldn't take the 175K necessary at that time bec my balance was less then that.

So, if this is true, then your Plan B was not setup correctly and it makes sense you were not given PR-1.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: skinfarrock on January 21, 2015, 09:40:06 AM
your going to have to call united to get the refund

Who? Do u have the number? Abby specifics I should mention??
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: nocknock on January 24, 2015, 11:01:01 PM
There is availability in Economy, and I want to do Plan B, But when I checked on United.com there is no seats in business even for money.

Will I be able to do the wait list? Is there a possibility that it will open up?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: stokes on January 24, 2015, 11:15:50 PM
is it better to go straight to the lounge at EWR to get PR1 or try econ desk first?  IS there anyone specifically to avoid?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on January 25, 2015, 12:04:36 AM
is it better to go straight to the lounge at EWR to get PR1 or try econ desk first?  IS there anyone specifically to avoid?
Avoid business class check in. I would go to the lounge first. You can always go back to economy check-in.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: nocknock on January 25, 2015, 09:58:51 AM
There is availability in Economy, and I want to do Plan B, But when I checked on United.com there is no seats in business even for money.

Will I be able to do the wait list? Is there a possibility that it will open up?
.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: nobiggy on January 25, 2015, 10:19:53 AM
There is availability in Economy, and I want to do Plan B, But when I checked on United.com there is no seats in business even for money.

Will I be able to do the wait list? Is there a possibility that it will open up?

You need there to be a business seat empty but even then that might not mean anything.
You need there to be X or XN seats available for redemption on the flight you want to wait list.
read here how to check http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/44505
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: bsimchatomid on January 25, 2015, 11:51:18 AM
I have a plan B booking out of EWR on Wednesday. With the blizzard on Tuesday there might be many flight cancelations. Do I still have any chances of getting a business seat?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: nobiggy on January 26, 2015, 10:36:55 AM
I made a Plan B ticket and it looked regular with the IN request.
Now when I log in it shows me 2 exact itineraries 1. in XN   2. in IN
What does that mean?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: stokes on January 26, 2015, 11:57:58 AM
I made a Plan B ticket and it looked regular with the IN request.
Now when I log in it shows me 2 exact itineraries 1. in XN   2. in IN
What does that mean?

2 separate itineraries or when you look at seats it shows your 2 flights?
how many tickets did you book?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: nobiggy on January 26, 2015, 01:22:25 PM
2 separate itineraries or when you look at seats it shows your 2 flights?
how many tickets did you book?
I booked one ticket.
Fare Class: United Economy (XN) - (IN class requested)

2 times so far it showed me a duplicate of the same itinerary when I click view ticket.
the first ticket is XN the second is IN.
Then several hours later it goes back to normal.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on January 26, 2015, 03:24:30 PM
I made a Plan B ticket and it looked regular with the IN request.
Now when I log in it shows me 2 exact itineraries 1. in XN   2. in IN
What does that mean?
I would guess that IN cleared and they just didn't remove the XN segment yet. Can you post a screenshot?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on January 26, 2015, 03:32:55 PM
I've seen this before.
IIRC, it means you've cleared.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: nobiggy on January 26, 2015, 05:01:44 PM
I've seen this before.
IIRC, it means you've cleared.

Damn it.
I missed it twice. :'(
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on January 26, 2015, 05:08:27 PM
Damn it.
I missed it twice. :'(
huh?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: nobiggy on January 26, 2015, 05:28:06 PM
huh?

Dan once wrote that not always does it clear automatically, rather sometimes you must call in.
2 times in the past few weeks it appeared as a duplicate booking just one in IN and one XN.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on January 26, 2015, 05:37:08 PM
Dan once wrote that not always does it clear automatically, rather sometimes you must call in.
2 times in the past few weeks it appeared as a duplicate booking just one in IN and one XN.
So whats the problem? Just call up UA and have them remove the XN segment and you're good to go..
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: nobiggy on January 26, 2015, 05:39:02 PM
So whats the problem? Just call up UA and have them remove the XN segment and you're good to go..

Just called them they said my wait list hasn't cleared.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: stokes on January 26, 2015, 08:13:28 PM
Just called them they said my wait list hasn't cleared.
did you ask them why it is duplicated?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: bsimchatomid on February 01, 2015, 07:52:46 PM
My outbound Plan B  flight got canceled due to the weather last week. I was rebooked on LH in confirmed business. I did not clear automatically on my return TLV-EWR and the booking class did not change to R. I'm in TLV now, none of the agents seem to know what I'm talking about. When I referenced the "gg onestandby"  one agent even said "If you know the system so well you also know that it doesn't work." There are currently 8 empty seats in J, one person on the upgrade standby list and I don't see my name on the list. Does the airport have a different upgrade list? Anyone had success in TLV that can give me some tips please?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on February 01, 2015, 08:01:28 PM
AFAIK there was no positive reports from TLV. When is your flight?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on February 01, 2015, 08:01:56 PM
-1
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: bsimchatomid on February 01, 2015, 08:03:36 PM
11:25 AM that's 4 AM EST
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on February 01, 2015, 08:03:59 PM
AFAIK there was no positive reports from TLV. When is your flight?
-1
Huh?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on February 01, 2015, 08:04:46 PM
11:25 AM that's 4 AM EST
And you're in the airport now...? If yes, just make sure to get the PR-1 status....

Also, have you checked-in?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: bsimchatomid on February 01, 2015, 08:15:04 PM
And you're in the airport now...? If yes, just make sure to get the PR-1 status....

Also, have you checked-in?

I checked in and left the airport already as I tried every United  agent already. Maybe I'll have some more luck in the morning. Whom can I tell them to call to verify as there is no rewards desk or club as in EWR. Can the reps at the callback number still help me?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on February 01, 2015, 08:18:12 PM
Def try in the morning as well. Be early. Try to look for nice helpful agent....
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: bsimchatomid on February 01, 2015, 10:44:25 PM
It is now 6 hours before the flight. I just got a new itinerary from United with a business class seat assigned. Yay!

Thanks ilherman
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on February 01, 2015, 10:44:49 PM
It is now 6 hours before the flight. I just got a new itinerary from United with a business class seat assigned. Yay!
Glad I was able to help  ;)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on February 01, 2015, 10:54:42 PM
Just so people here can know what is going on.... I was in a helpful mood and I saw how badly besimchehtamid wants his business class. So I PMd him that he should send me his PNR and last name. I have access to the UA GS desk, (i know someone who has GS status and I call in on his behalf) I called them up and the first rep after 15 minutes claimed that she can not help me because its an award ticket and that the pax on the ressy is not a GS member. HUCA came to mind.... And I called again, got a nice rep who didn't even bother to understand the whole plan B Pshetel, she just put me on hold, she came back after 5 minutes to apologize for the long hold... and that she confirmed the pax in business class. She just put in IN class in the ressy which is full mileage class and reissued the ticket!

No this is NOT going to work for the rest of us and its not even worth trying to call up UA to do that. (unless you have GS access)

Just wanted to share nice success story.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Matovu on February 01, 2015, 10:56:21 PM
Just so people here can know what is going on.... I was in a helpful mood and I saw how badly besimchehtamid wants his business class. So I PMd him that he should send me his PNR and last name. I have access to the UA GS desk, I called them up and the first rep after 15 minutes claimed that she can not help me because its an award ticket and that the pax on the ressy is not a GS member. HUCA came to mind.... And I called again, got a nice rep who didn't even bother to understand the whole plan B Pshetel, she just put me on hold, she came back after 5 minutes to apologize for the long hold... and that she confirmed the pax in business class. She just put in IN class in the ressy which is full mileage class and reissued the ticket!

No this is NOT going to work for the rest of us and its not even worth trying to call up UA to do that. (unless you have GS access)

Just wanted to share nice success story.

Kudos to you, you rock !
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on February 01, 2015, 10:59:29 PM
Just so people here can know what is going on.... I was in a helpful mood and I saw how badly besimchehtamid wants his business class. So I PMd him that he should send me his PNR and last name. I have access to the UA GS desk, (i know someone who has GS status and I call in on his behalf) I called them up and the first rep after 15 minutes claimed that she can not help me because its an award ticket and that the pax on the ressy is not a GS member. HUCA came to mind.... And I called again, got a nice rep who didn't even bother to understand the whole plan B Pshetel, she just put me on hold, she came back after 5 minutes to apologize for the long hold... and that she confirmed the pax in business class. She just put in IN class in the ressy which is full mileage class and reissued the ticket!

No this is NOT going to work for the rest of us and its not even worth trying to call up UA to do that. (unless you have GS access)

Just wanted to share nice success story.

And here I thought there was eventually a Plan B success story ex-TLV.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on February 01, 2015, 11:15:22 PM
Dan says that there is.. Though from Israeli agents I wouldn't expect much...  I don't recall any plan B success on here.

The reason why I took the effort was because there was still J8 and in these cases the GS desk is much more lenient.

I got them to push through manually a GPU last week one day before departure when there was just 1 seat left in J. But in that case the GPU came out of a GS account.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Centro on February 01, 2015, 11:19:50 PM
ilherman, you're just great and goodhearted!!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on February 01, 2015, 11:22:09 PM
Dan says that there is.. Though from Israeli agents I wouldn't expect much...  I don't recall any plan B success on here.

The reason why I took the effort was because there was still J8 and in these cases the GS desk is much more lenient.

I got them to push through manually a GPU last week one day before departure when there was just 1 seat left in J. But in that case the GPU came out of a GS account.

Kudos for taking the time. Just wish it wasn't so difficult ex-TLV.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on February 01, 2015, 11:28:45 PM
Kudos for taking the time. Just wish this Plan B Gesheft wasn't so difficult, and every airport agent would know exactly how to set it up. That would be precious  :)
TLV is even more difficult. But FTFY... Plenty of EWR unsuccessful stories...
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: DMYD on February 01, 2015, 11:38:54 PM
If we would have some more ilhermans around, DDF would have been that much better!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on February 01, 2015, 11:48:07 PM
Thanks guys for the comments.

@Dav, we do have a lot of other nice people around here as well!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on February 02, 2015, 01:04:39 AM
Wow, ilherman, that was really nice of you. I'm glad it worked out without too much trouble.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: HolyNyc on February 02, 2015, 02:43:56 AM
@ilherman wiki updated
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: bsimchatomid on February 02, 2015, 03:21:59 AM
Glad I was able to help  ;)
Posting now from the Dan Lounge i would like to give a shoutout and a personal thanks to ilherman for all his help I'm sure I will enjoy my flight thanks again.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: elya on February 02, 2015, 06:58:06 AM
I guess I should publicly thank ilherman as well.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: elya on February 02, 2015, 06:58:17 AM
Thank you
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on February 02, 2015, 08:40:14 AM
@ilherman wiki updated
Pls remove that. I still don't have any plans giving up my job ;)

Whenever I have time I'll offer to help. No reason to PM me.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: HolyNyc on February 02, 2015, 08:52:18 AM
@ilherman wiki updated
again
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Million Miler on February 03, 2015, 05:30:07 AM
I know this is a bit off topic but it does have to do with upgrading on UA, so I figured I would ask it here.

I Have a United ticket tlv-ewr booked in K fare, Is there anyway to have GS or 1k CS apply a GPU manually?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: HolyNyc on February 03, 2015, 07:58:11 AM
I know this is a bit off topic but it does have to do with upgrading on UA, so I figured I would ask it here.

I Have a United ticket tlv-ewr booked in K fare, Is there anyway to have GS or 1k CS apply a GPU manually?
not allowed
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Million Miler on February 03, 2015, 09:22:35 AM
not allowed

I knew that according to the rules it is not allowed. My question is.. Using ilherman's approach would it be possible?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on February 03, 2015, 10:56:20 AM
I knew that according to the rules it is not allowed. My question is.. Using ilherman's approach would it be possible?
no. They will allow for GS members to upgrade awards but not K class.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: nocknock on February 04, 2015, 07:52:26 PM
Flight tomorrow LHR-EWR Wait listed already and as I see that there 9 J seats and I'm not upgraded yet.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on February 04, 2015, 07:53:47 PM

Flight tomorrow LHR-EWR Wait listed already and as I see that there 9 J seats and I'm not upgraded yet.

There can be 20 j seats open. If the correct fare class isn't open, you wont get upgraded
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: nocknock on February 04, 2015, 07:55:07 PM
Could i call them or only in airport?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on February 04, 2015, 07:55:56 PM

Could i call them or only in airport?

To do what? In the airport they will go by the list,
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: nocknock on February 04, 2015, 08:00:16 PM
To do what? In the airport they will go by the list,
I did it for people who will have no idea WWW to do in the airport.

If i could help them over the phone would be a big help.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on February 04, 2015, 08:03:57 PM
I did it for people who will have no idea WWW to do in the airport.

If i could help them over the phone would be a big help.
did they check-in online?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: nocknock on February 04, 2015, 08:32:57 PM
If anyone would help me willing to $$.

(1 of the 2 res didn't go thru normal to be wait listed........)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: nocknock on February 04, 2015, 08:33:28 PM
did they check-in online?
no
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on February 04, 2015, 08:43:06 PM
no
let them checkin.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: nocknock on February 04, 2015, 08:47:03 PM
let them checkin.
ok.

For the res that wasn't done properly could I still do it to waitlist? I tried didn't work. Should I HUCA or its to late?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: nocknock on February 04, 2015, 09:18:41 PM
What means R class requested?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on February 04, 2015, 09:27:59 PM
What means R class requested?

R class is the upgrade class.. Upgrades book into R class. You need R class to be available to get upgraded
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: nocknock on February 04, 2015, 09:32:04 PM
R class is the upgrade class.. Upgrades book into R class. You need R class to be available to get upgraded
So i'm good if its R class requested?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on February 04, 2015, 09:35:24 PM
ok.

For the res that wasn't done properly could I still do it to waitlist? I tried didn't work. Should I HUCA or its to late?
what do you mean that it was not done properly?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: efflpetzel on February 05, 2015, 01:43:09 AM

Flight tomorrow LHR-EWR Wait listed already and as I see that there 9 J seats and I'm not upgraded yet.
tell them to check-in online, then do callback saying you paid business class fare but have been seated in economy.

I successfully did that this week
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: nocknock on February 05, 2015, 07:46:56 AM
GOT BUISNESS!!!  (Because saver opened up now befor flight)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Rindsy on February 05, 2015, 12:44:34 PM
United Plan B Question: We did Plan B for an overnight flight from LAX to EWR, but business filled up. Flight is a week away. There are 2 later flights that night with biz class availability. Any way to get United to put us in biz class on one of those flights before/on day of flight?  Tx!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on February 05, 2015, 12:46:07 PM
United Plan B Question: We did Plan B for an overnight flight from LAX to EWR, but business filled up. Flight is a week away. There are 2 later flights that night with biz class availability. Any way to get United to put us in biz class on one of those flights before/on day of flight?  Tx!
Sure, just change your reservation. Change fees may apply.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Rindsy on February 05, 2015, 12:48:16 PM
Any way around change fees in this situation?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on February 05, 2015, 12:56:58 PM
Any way around change fees in this situation?
1k and GS.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on February 05, 2015, 12:58:34 PM
Plat/1k and GS.
I think I FTFY. :)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Rindsy on February 05, 2015, 01:00:52 PM
I'm not a member if the 1K club. What's GS?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Rindsy on February 05, 2015, 01:01:37 PM
Oy. All these new abbreviations!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on February 05, 2015, 01:01:45 PM
I'm not a member if the 1K club. What's GS?
You don't have it either. Global Services is higher than 1k.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Rindsy on February 05, 2015, 01:03:19 PM
Unfortunately not. Just the United Explorer card.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Rindsy on February 05, 2015, 01:03:42 PM
FTFY?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Centro on February 05, 2015, 01:05:03 PM
FTFY?
Fixed That For You.

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=10531.0 (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=10531.0)
Acronyms Thread for the Uninitiated
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Rindsy on February 05, 2015, 01:06:22 PM
:-)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on February 09, 2015, 11:44:45 AM
This was mentioned up thread, but I just booked a plan b in less than 5 mins on phone.

Booked a date with availability in J, then asked to switch. Seems to make it much easier on the agent this way.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on February 09, 2015, 11:48:59 AM
This was mentioned up thread, but I just booked a plan b in less than 5 mins on phone.

Booked a date with availability in J, then asked to switch. Seems to make it much easier on the agent this way.
Where're you headed?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on February 09, 2015, 11:49:24 AM
LIH
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on February 09, 2015, 11:56:08 AM
LIH
Enjoy!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on February 09, 2015, 12:03:56 PM
This was mentioned up thread, but I just booked a plan b in less than 5 mins on phone.

Booked a date with availability in J, then asked to switch. Seems to make it much easier on the agent this way.
Didn't take any pushing to get them to switch to a date with just coach?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on February 09, 2015, 12:20:08 PM
Didn't take any pushing to get them to switch to a date with just coach?

Nope. She mentioned that there is only X on that day, and I said, that's fine, you can just waitlist me for I.  When I tried to explain the process, she said "I know the procedure, just want to make sure you know what's happening." So, she just made an "even exchange" and waitlisted business. Much more seamless this way.

(http://i.gyazo.com/8d4a192f0a177fb52de1a31f2b6718d7.png)



Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Marco Polo on February 09, 2015, 12:22:55 PM
Nope. She mentioned that there is only X on that day, and I said, that's fine, you can just waitlist me for I.  When I tried to explain the process, she said "I know the procedure, just want to make sure you know what's happening." So, she just made an "even exchange" and waitlisted business. Much more seamless this way.

(http://i.gyazo.com/8d4a192f0a177fb52de1a31f2b6718d7.png)
Hopefully you get it, but will you actually fly if you are in Y?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on February 09, 2015, 12:24:47 PM
Nope. She mentioned that there is only X on that day, and I said, that's fine, you can just waitlist me for I.  When I tried to explain the process, she said "I know the procedure, just want to make sure you know what's happening." So, she just made an "even exchange" and waitlisted business. Much more seamless this way.

(http://i.gyazo.com/8d4a192f0a177fb52de1a31f2b6718d7.png)

Yup, helps that you got an ex-con agent.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on February 09, 2015, 12:29:53 PM
Hopefully you get it, but will you actually fly if you are in Y?

Yes. But I'm gonna get it ;)

Yup, helps that you got an ex-con agent.

When she first picked up, she sounded very amateur, and didn't have much hope for success. Alas, she surprised me.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Marco Polo on February 09, 2015, 12:32:13 PM
Yes. But I'm gonna get it ;)

When she first picked up, she sounded very amateur, and didn't have much hope for success. Alas, she surprised me.
I don't doubt it.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: @Yehuda on February 09, 2015, 12:35:08 PM
It's worth the extra 20K pp by using UA miles to have Plan B as an option than it is to use SQ?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Joe4007 on February 09, 2015, 12:43:21 PM
It's worth the extra 20K pp by using UA miles to have Plan B as an option than it is to use SQ?
If that gets you in J - and on this route, this is sometimes you're only option - I'd say it's worth it.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on February 09, 2015, 12:56:01 PM
For me it's only 10K PP as I'm only doing one-way. And on my date, there is little chance that it'd open for J straight up. So for me, it's without a doubt worth the extra 10K for access to lie-flat J on a flight that can be twice as long as NYC-LHR.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: @Yehuda on February 09, 2015, 01:02:00 PM
If that gets you in J - and on this route, this is sometimes you're only option - I'd say it's worth it.
For me it's only 10K PP as I'm only doing one-way. And on my date, there is little chance that it'd open for J straight up. So for me, it's without a doubt worth the extra 10K for access to lie-flat J on a flight that can be twice as long as NYC-LHR.
Okay, I definitely hear the argument. As none of my 2 months of flexibility even have Y Saver space, Plan B isn't an option yet.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Jeremiah on February 10, 2015, 05:43:31 PM
Any body had luck with plan b at Ewr . ? I had it all set up good it said I  class requested. Went to united clubb agent twice . Nothing she said you are booked in economy and there is was only 42 k debited from account . She refused to call mileage plus . tried another one and no go . They went all nuts when i told them the reference codes .
So i went back the counter at check in. The lady said she sees the 70 k debited but they don't touch award tickets .And i need to go to gate
so i went to gate and was by the counter for 45 min .  i aid i paid for business and am shirking in economy.  She said you were debited 42k for this flight.  she called mileage plus . The lady on phone confirmed i was debited . So she asked the award dept to book me in business . they said to call reservations , she asked them to put her thru and stay on the line , they put her thru with out staying online . And reservation of course was no help they said they only see 42 k debited . Then they  hung up on us .     She said they need to book me in business . I asked her to get ttn a superviser she said no way thwy are doing other things
so as a last ditch i told her to look up gg one stand by on line 81, she did and said it says global firsys something... then i saids around 81 and asked her what it said she said it says pr -1 and she says its not applicable to you she said she s not getting near that with a ten foot pole .   
She then said be call this flight is under fraud  watch, that some mileage broker is selling seats and doing crazy stuff . And i should tell them to watch out .  United 84 btw
And she said the new system is ganna be harder to redem tickets or someting

i dont understand how to get them to change your ticket to business if it says economy . And all they see is 42 k , and even with the award desk telling them they still . Why should they change any thinything if your ticket is in wconomy it doeant say any thing about business besides added to stand by upgrade list .   Im on the plane now any shot to ask sterwares ?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on February 10, 2015, 06:00:34 PM
People have definitely been successful at EWR. Sorry it didn't work out for you.

But now that you're on the plane, there is nothing that can be done. Stewardess will not be able to help.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Platinum on February 10, 2015, 08:52:06 PM
Any body had luck with plan b at Ewr . ? I had it all set up good it said I  class requested. Went to united clubb agent twice . Nothing she said you are booked in economy and there is was only 42 k debited from account . She refused to call mileage plus . tried another one and no go . They went all nuts when i told them the reference codes .
So i went back the counter at check in. The lady said she sees the 70 k debited but they don't touch award tickets .And i need to go to gate
so i went to gate and was by the counter for 45 min .  i aid i paid for business and am shirking in economy.  She said you were debited 42k for this flight.  she called mileage plus . The lady on phone confirmed i was debited . So she asked the award dept to book me in business . they said to call reservations , she asked them to put her thru and stay on the line , they put her thru with out staying online . And reservation of course was no help they said they only see 42 k debited . Then they  hung up on us .     She said they need to book me in business . I asked her to get ttn a superviser she said no way thwy are doing other things
so as a last ditch i told her to look up gg one stand by on line 81, she did and said it says global firsys something... then i saids around 81 and asked her what it said she said it says pr -1 and she says its not applicable to you she said she s not getting near that with a ten foot pole .   
She then said be call this flight is under fraud  watch, that some mileage broker is selling seats and doing crazy stuff . And i should tell them to watch out .  United 84 btw
And she said the new system is ganna be harder to redem tickets or someting

i dont understand how to get them to change your ticket to business if it says economy . And all they see is 42 k , and even with the award desk telling them they still . Why should they change any thinything if your ticket is in wconomy it doeant say any thing about business besides added to stand by upgrade list .   Im on the plane now any shot to ask sterwares ?

I had a similar story at EWR, looks like its becoming harder to do.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on February 10, 2015, 11:42:51 PM
For those successful with Plan B at EWR, who gave you the PR-1 status? Regular check in? Priority checkin? Lounge? Gate agent?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: efflpetzel on February 10, 2015, 11:59:25 PM

Any body had luck with plan b at Ewr . ? I had it all set up good it said I  class requested. Went to united clubb agent twice . Nothing she said you are booked in economy and there is was only 42 k debited from account . She refused to call mileage plus . tried another one and no go . They went all nuts when i told them the reference codes .
So i went back the counter at check in. The lady said she sees the 70 k debited but they don't touch award tickets .And i need to go to gate
so i went to gate and was by the counter for 45 min .  i aid i paid for business and am shirking in economy.  She said you were debited 42k for this flight.  she called mileage plus . The lady on phone confirmed i was debited . So she asked the award dept to book me in business . they said to call reservations , she asked them to put her thru and stay on the line , they put her thru with out staying online . And reservation of course was no help they said they only see 42 k debited . Then they  hung up on us .     She said they need to book me in business . I asked her to get ttn a superviser she said no way thwy are doing other things
so as a last ditch i told her to look up gg one stand by on line 81, she did and said it says global firsys something... then i saids around 81 and asked her what it said she said it says pr -1 and she says its not applicable to you she said she s not getting near that with a ten foot pole .   
She then said be call this flight is under fraud  watch, that some mileage broker is selling seats and doing crazy stuff . And i should tell them to watch out .  United 84 btw
And she said the new system is ganna be harder to redem tickets or someting

i dont understand how to get them to change your ticket to business if it says economy . And all they see is 42 k , and even with the award desk telling them they still . Why should they change any thinything if your ticket is in wconomy it doeant say any thing about business besides added to stand by upgrade list .   Im on the plane now any shot to ask sterwares ?

Next time try calling United on the callback line after checking in online & explain to them that you paid a J fare but was seated in Y


For those successful with Plan B at EWR, who gave you the PR-1 status? Regular check in? Priority checkin? Lounge? Gate agent?
iirc from the reports in this thread, lounge is the way to go
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Jeremiah on February 11, 2015, 01:47:38 AM
What im trying to figure out is what makes them put you on biz ???????????  What do they see that they should do any thing for you ?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Million Miler on February 11, 2015, 05:13:35 AM
For those successful with Plan B at EWR, who gave you the PR-1 status? Regular check in? Priority checkin? Lounge? Gate agent?

Regular Economy Check-In was where I had success, since there were seats available I wasn't waitlisted, I was just assigned a seat in biz.
Had no luck at Priority checkin or with special services (where priority checkin sent me...)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: gswannabe on February 11, 2015, 10:30:23 PM
Just got off the phone with a United rep (ex continental) He told me that he was familiar with the concept. However after checking with his superior he has told that United corporate in Chicago no longer allows them to do this. He said if does book me with plan B he could get written up for it.
Is there any truth to this or just HUCA ?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on February 11, 2015, 10:36:17 PM
Just got off the phone with a United rep (ex continental) He told me that he was familiar with the concept. However after checking with his superior he has told that United corporate in Chicago no longer allows them to do this. He said if does book me with plan B he could get written up for it.
Is there any truth to this or just HUCA ?

What do YOU think? :)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on February 11, 2015, 10:37:43 PM
Just got off the phone with a United rep (ex continental) He told me that he was familiar with the concept. However after checking with his superior he has told that United corporate in Chicago no longer allows them to do this. He said if does book me with plan B he could get written up for it.
Is there any truth to this or just HUCA ?

Direct agent to the UA.com URL in the wiki explaining it's allowed.
Or better yet HUCA.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: gswannabe on February 11, 2015, 11:20:13 PM
Thanks Dan,
I did HUCA and it worked like a charm.
Hope we clear !
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on February 14, 2015, 08:47:33 PM
Anyone try getting UA to book a Plan B on a date without X space by booking I space on another date and requesting I space for your desired date?

Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on February 14, 2015, 09:23:52 PM
You're suggesting being waitlisted for I, without already having a seat in X? Where would be upgraded from?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on February 14, 2015, 09:30:04 PM
From the original date I suppose. 
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on February 14, 2015, 09:39:45 PM
Interesting. My bet is that they don't have the technical capability to do that.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on February 14, 2015, 09:52:57 PM
Interesting. My bet is that they don't have the technical capability to do that.
Why not? As long you hold a live ticket any wait-list request should stick to the ressy, and you should probably be able to be added to the airport standby list.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on February 14, 2015, 09:56:05 PM
Why not? As long you hold a live ticket any wait-list request should stick to the ressy, and you should probably be able to be added to the airport standby list.

My guess is that the system will not accommodate a wait-listed upgrade request for a coupon not matching the flight for which the upgrade is sought.

Get back to me when you've pulled it off.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on February 15, 2015, 01:33:37 AM
My guess is that the system will not accommodate a wait-listed upgrade request for a coupon not matching the flight for which the upgrade is sought.

Get back to me when you've pulled it off.
Its not an upgrade request. Its I class request.  You're right that you can't request an upgrade when you don't have a seat on that flight. But you can always wait-list a class a fare class (and here its I class) even on a different flight. I think.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Million Miler on February 15, 2015, 04:51:36 AM
Its not an upgrade request. Its I class request.  You're right that you can't request an upgrade when you don't have a seat on that flight. But you can always wait-list a class a fare class (and here its I class) even on a different flight. I think.

I tried it once on a Plan B that I set up for TLV-EWR when I was flexible on the dates, it was no issue to have set up, but since it was during peak season nothing actually cleared, but a few days before the flight, a flight which I didn't waitlist opened up in IN and I just grabbed it. I don't know how it would work in if you walked into the airport and was just waitlisted for that days flight without a confirmed seat... would love to see the faces of the checkin agents  :)


Ps. As it was booked out of a 1K Acct  I was told there would be no change fees if anything would clear. Also, They wouldn't let me waitlist more than 3 different flights for that reservation.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: palm tights on February 15, 2015, 06:37:49 PM
Can I make plan b even there is no availability on business Even on the hight rate?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on February 15, 2015, 06:49:35 PM
Sure, why not?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: nobiggy on February 16, 2015, 10:51:37 AM
If I bought the award saver ticket in Y can I call in to have them set up a plan B, or is it only possible when making the award ticket?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on February 16, 2015, 11:10:58 AM
You can do it now. I wouldn't be surprised tho if UA tried to charge you change fee.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: nobiggy on February 16, 2015, 01:37:17 PM
You can do it now. I wouldn't be surprised tho if UA tried to charge you change fee.
Thanks. I will do it and they wont charge me a fee.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on February 17, 2015, 09:58:03 AM
Had a pretty competent-sounding rep look at gg onestandby, and she claimed the only ones who get PR-1 status are GS members.

All others are PR-2.

Putting on my game face for check-in.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: nobiggy on February 17, 2015, 10:01:26 AM
Had a pretty competent-sounding rep look at gg onestandby, and she claimed the only ones who get PR-1 status are GS members.

All others are PR-2.

Putting on my game face for check-in.

Where you off to?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on February 17, 2015, 10:02:45 AM
Had a pretty competent-sounding rep look at gg onestandby, and she claimed the only ones who get PR-1 status are GS members.

All others are PR-2.

Putting on my game face for check-in.
Go to the airport the day before...
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on February 17, 2015, 10:07:30 AM
I have  feeling that maybe the ggstandby line changed again?..
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on February 17, 2015, 10:31:34 AM
Also, lately when I check in someone who has Plan B set up, he does not show up on the upgrade list at all. Is that how it always worked? The airport agent has to put you manually on the upgrade list?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on February 17, 2015, 10:39:30 AM
Also, lately when I check in someone who has Plan B set up, he does not show up on the upgrade list at all. Is that how it always worked? The airport agent has to put you manually on the upgrade list?

Yup. I got an email saying the upgrade didn't clear and to please check in to he added to upgrade standby list. Checked in, and wasn't put on the list at all, let alone PR-1.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on February 17, 2015, 10:51:48 AM
Yup. I got an email saying the upgrade didn't clear and to please check in to he added to upgrade standby list. Checked in, and wasn't put on the list at all, let alone PR-1.
When that happened to me I just called and they confirmed me in J over the phone, but YMMV obviously.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on February 17, 2015, 10:53:37 AM
When that happened to me I just called and they confirmed me in J over the phone, but YMMV obviously.

Was there award space?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on February 17, 2015, 10:57:29 AM
Was there award space?
Not in J. When my status changed from "I class requested" to "R Class" I just said pointed out that I'd already paid for J and there were still seats for sale and it was weird I wasn't confirmed (played naive a bit). Flight ended up having 4 seats open (on a 772 GIG-IAH).
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on February 17, 2015, 11:11:12 AM
Also, lately when I check in someone who has Plan B set up, he does not show up on the upgrade list at all. Is that how it always worked? The airport agent has to put you manually on the upgrade list?
Always been that way.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on February 17, 2015, 11:29:19 AM
Always been that way.
Always been that you have to manually ask for PR-1 status or you always had to ask to even show on the waitlist?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on February 17, 2015, 11:45:53 AM
Both.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Rindsy on February 17, 2015, 05:08:23 PM
After educating agent about being a displaced business class passenger, and deserving PR-1 status, she finally made the call to the mileage desk, and confirmed that that's where I belong.  Then she called me back to the desk, and told me that it was a mistake, and that she's putting me back into PR-2.  I referred her to gg onestandby line 81, they were shocked that a non-United employee would know this information, but then they printed it out for me, and apparently it has changed.  It now shows that only elite members can be put into PR-1 status, and that everyone else must be in PR-2.  So now there's basically no chance of me flying business class tonight.  Any advice?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on February 17, 2015, 05:13:22 PM
After educating agent about being a displaced business class passenger, and deserving PR-1 status, she finally made the call to the mileage desk, and confirmed that that's where I belong.  Then she called me back to the desk, and told me that it was a mistake, and that she's putting me back into PR-2.  I referred her to gg onestandby line 81, they were shocked that a non-United employee would know this information, but then they printed it out for me, and apparently it has changed.  It now shows that only elite members can be put into PR-1 status, and that everyone else must be in PR-2.  So now there's basically no chance of me flying business class tonight.  Any advice?

Yeah, that's what I was told, too. I posted upthread.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on February 17, 2015, 05:14:51 PM
@Dan, you gotta figure out the new lines.

Rindsy, can you post a screen shot of the ggstandby line?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on February 17, 2015, 05:17:05 PM
Please email me a copy of the new wording.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Rindsy on February 17, 2015, 05:18:58 PM
@Dan, you gotta figure out the new lines.

Rindsy, can you post a screen shot of the ggstandby line?

Unfortunately, they wouldn't provide me with a copy of the printout... I would have been focused on getting an earlier flight, if they hadn't given me hope that I'll be sitting comfortably later... Now (all within the time since I arrived at the airport) all the earlier flights (economy and higher) are sold out!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on February 17, 2015, 05:42:37 PM
AJ, up to you now to get a pic of the screen or printout.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: sillypainter on February 17, 2015, 05:50:34 PM
What's the difference between PR1 and PR2?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on February 17, 2015, 06:04:55 PM
AJ, up to you now to get a pic of the screen or printout.

Not sure how easy that will be.

What's the difference between PR1 and PR2?

Huge difference.

Apparently once your PR-2, your thrown in the cage with everyone else where status matters, so essentially if it's between you (with no status) and a Silver, you'd lose. At least that's how I understood it.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on February 17, 2015, 06:06:23 PM
People have posted pics of GG printouts and screens before.

If nothing else let's get the exact line and wording.

Not gonna go to EWR tonight to see if you can find an agent that will give pr1?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: aradisc on February 17, 2015, 06:26:09 PM
Yeah, that's what I was told, too. I posted upthread.

I thought you said GS only? Huge difference between that and all elites.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on February 17, 2015, 06:28:26 PM
I thought you said GS only? Huge difference between that and all elites.

You're right.

My rep definitely only said GS, and not all elite. My hunch is that OP got confused between elite and GS, but who knows.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: sillypainter on February 17, 2015, 06:30:56 PM
Not sure how easy that will be.

Huge difference.

Apparently once your PR-2, your thrown in the cage with everyone else where status matters, so essentially if it's between you (with no status) and a Silver, you'd lose. At least that's how I understood it.


Thanks. This would be a real bummer then.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on February 17, 2015, 06:52:38 PM
So it looks like Plan B is half way dead. It seems that they indeed changed the wording that anyone redeeming for an award who paid business class WILL go after PR-1 status. It says something that it will go after PR1 but before PR2. At least this is the info I received.  I didn't see the actual line.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on February 17, 2015, 06:56:15 PM
So it looks like Plan B is half way dead. It seems that they indeed changed the wording that anyone redeeming for an award who paid business class WILL go after PR-1 status. It says something that it will go after PR1 but before PR2. At least this is the info I received.  I didn't see the actual line.

Yeah, sure sounded like something had changed when I reported it this morning. Figured I'd report it because the agent did seem competent.

However, provided 1) that PR-1 is limited to GS only, and 2) that displaced business class pax go before PR-2 where the rest of the rif raff are, then this isn't that terrible of a change.

If either of those things aren't true, it's more than halfway dead. It's dinosaur dead.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: nobiggy on February 17, 2015, 06:58:30 PM
I don't like the sound of this.... I have my parents booked on a Plan B for pesach.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on February 17, 2015, 07:05:16 PM
Yeah, sure sounded like something had changed when I reported it this morning. Figured I'd report it because the agent did seem competent.

However, provided 1) that PR-1 is limited to GS only, and 2) that displaced business class pax go before PR-2 where the rest of the rif raff are, then this isn't that terrible of a change.

If either of those things aren't true, it's more than halfway dead. It's dinosaur dead.
Well, I would say that even it is true that Plan B goes ahead of PR2 the agents will not know how to do it or just will not read thru everything. And they will just give the pax PR2 status like Rindsy had.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on February 17, 2015, 07:06:40 PM
Well, I would say that even it is true that Plan B goes ahead of PR2 the agents will not know how to do it or just will not read thru everything. And they will just give the pax PR2 status like Rindsy had.

What doesn't make sense is that for that to be true, there would have to be something created like a PR-1.5... not sure I'm liking the chances of that.

In all likelihood, Plan-B'ers will be stuck in PR-2.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on February 17, 2015, 07:10:17 PM
Anyone going to an airport, please see if you can snap a photo of the new rules.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: efflpetzel on February 17, 2015, 08:05:17 PM
Not in J. When my status changed from "I class requested" to "R Class" I just said pointed out that I'd already paid for J and there were still seats for sale and it was weird I wasn't confirmed (played naive a bit). Flight ended up having 4 seats open (on a 772 GIG-IAH).
+1, that's exactly what I did recently, worked like a charm
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Rindsy on February 18, 2015, 03:17:33 AM
What doesn't make sense is that for that to be true, there would have to be something created like a PR-1.5... not sure I'm liking the chances of that.

In all likelihood, Plan-B'ers will be stuck in PR-2.

It appeared from the waitlist as if I were put at the top of the PR-2 list, just below the PR-1 folks, but I didn't clear, while all of them did. I'm now sitting in sardine class. :-) Oddly, at first, after a long explanation to the agent (P.S. - this was at the United lounge, not the gate), she obliged, made the necessary calls (after first telling me there was no way I was getting PR-1), and after speaking with the mileage desk, put me in PR-1.  This nasty old agent nearby heard the whole thing, had a scowl on her face, and kept coming over and pointing out the "new" rules (which she didn't even know were new).  Long story short, I walked away (at first) at the top of the PR-1 list, but later, they informed me that they had to take me off of PR-1 and put me below those folks because of the (new) rules. They were shocked that I knew the terminology, the name of the document, and the lines, but they showed me that the lines had changed, and that only very specific elites can get PR-1 status, and that everyone who doesn't fall within that category can only get PR-2 status.  What doesn't add up is that this doesn't fit so well with the fact that we're displaced business class passengers, who paid (in miles) the business class fare.  Any way to book through a Global Services account in the future?  Would that help?  I don't have GS, and don't see it in my future anytime soon, at least, but I wonder if a Plan B booked on someone else's GS account would help.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Rindsy on February 18, 2015, 03:24:58 AM
+1, that's exactly what I did recently, worked like a charm

If you don't clear automatically, how does your I/IN become R?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AharonInIsrael on February 18, 2015, 04:29:44 AM
If you don't clear automatically, how does your I/IN become R?
IINM, he called up and they did it manually over the phone.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Joe4007 on February 18, 2015, 08:24:28 AM


Putting on my game face for check-in.
Congrats
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on February 18, 2015, 08:30:54 AM
Congrats
+2 :D
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Moishebatchy on February 18, 2015, 08:48:43 AM
Congrats

+3 ;)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on February 18, 2015, 08:59:16 AM
Thanks, guys.

Hello and goodbye from 1A/B!

(http://i.gyazo.com/be2d5ef9900a74abd071e4f41bf78718.jpg)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Marco Polo on February 18, 2015, 09:01:39 AM
Thanks, guys.

Hello and goodbye from 1A/B!

(http://i.gyazo.com/be2d5ef9900a74abd071e4f41bf78718.jpg)
Enjoy!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: D93 on February 18, 2015, 09:20:26 AM
Thanks, guys.

Hello and goodbye from 1A/B!

Details please?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Rindsy on February 18, 2015, 03:25:42 PM
IINM, he called up and they did it manually over the phone.

At what point does it make sense to call and convert an I/IN to R?  I'm guessing before you get notified that you didn't automatically clear the upgrade?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on February 18, 2015, 03:39:49 PM
At what point does it make sense to call and convert an I/IN to R?  I'm guessing before you get notified that you didn't automatically clear the upgrade?
I/IN convert to R 24h before departure automatically IME.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Rindsy on February 18, 2015, 03:45:15 PM
I/IN convert to R 24h before departure automatically IME.

Ahhh, but do X/XN with request to be upgraded to I/IN that don't automatically clear also automatically become R?  I'm guessing not?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: D93 on February 18, 2015, 03:49:29 PM
At what point does it make sense to call and convert an I/IN to R?
If you have I/IN, why would you want to convert it to R?
"I/IN requested" convert to R 24h before departure automatically IME.
FTFY
Ahhh, but do X/XN with request to be upgraded to I/IN that don't automatically clear also automatically become R?  I'm guessing not?
they do.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on February 18, 2015, 03:57:00 PM
FTFY
Thanks
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Rindsy on February 18, 2015, 04:04:56 PM
If you have I/IN, why would you want to convert it to R? FTFYthey do.

Then they must have screwed up my Plan B reservation, even though it appeared as if they had put it together correctly...
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on February 18, 2015, 10:12:41 PM
the new gg code:

(http://i.gyazo.com/43012e55c9e57e08f9d4ab32c35fcb9d.png)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: lunatic on February 18, 2015, 10:26:52 PM
So how did you get it? Are you gs
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on February 18, 2015, 10:28:05 PM
So how did you get it? Are you gs
Never says you need to be GS.
Just says you go in between PR1-PR2.

In essence no real changes.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Matovu on February 18, 2015, 10:40:06 PM
Whats the new line we refrene to them ?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on February 18, 2015, 10:41:39 PM
the new gg code:

(http://i.gyazo.com/43012e55c9e57e08f9d4ab32c35fcb9d.png)
Can you get the rest of the onestandby info?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Rindsy on February 19, 2015, 12:22:39 AM
Can you get the rest of the onestandby info?

Conveniently (not!), since I referred to line 88 (I think that's the line referenced in the Plan B DD page), all they printed and showed me were lines in the 80s and 90s... Seems the not-so-nice agent (who I still don't understand why she had it out for me after her colleague confirmed me in PR-1... perhaps it was my kippah!) decided to focus on what would force me onto PR-2 (and thus not get seated in BC) instead of reading the whole gg standby document.  Next time this happens (which hopefully it doesn't), I will try to get a snapshot of the document... (they were just so perturbed that I knew about it and the lines altogether!)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on February 19, 2015, 01:47:12 AM
Never says you need to be GS.
Just says you go in between PR1-PR2.

In essence no real changes.
Where do you see them talking about plan B?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: furyleader on March 06, 2015, 10:44:14 PM
New to the forum , had them call me and request a I status w/o any hassle from iah to tpe with iah to sfo leg.
Dont think theyre much of open saver award will be opened on the 18th, but do keep my finger cross once at check in for the upgrade :X 

Really interested how exact will I be in placed whether pr 1 or pr 2...will keep this forum updated.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: JDeals on March 24, 2015, 07:14:56 PM
I have a reservation showing
Fare Class: United Economy (HN) - (I class requested)

is that the right setup, or it should be X not H?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on March 24, 2015, 07:30:00 PM
I have a reservation showing
Fare Class: United Economy (HN) - (I class requested)

is that the right setup, or it should be X not H?

It's fine, but HN means you redeemed for a standard award, not saver.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: JDeals on March 24, 2015, 07:31:59 PM
It's fine, but HN means you redeemed for a standard award, not saver.
meaning in case the upgrade doesn't go through, they wont return the difference?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on March 24, 2015, 07:33:14 PM
meaning in case the upgrade doesn't go through, they wont return the difference?
Just means you paid the higher award rate for standard award, not saver award
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: JDeals on March 24, 2015, 07:34:50 PM
Just means you paid the higher award rate for standard award, not saver award
It's fine, but HN means you redeemed for a standard award, not saver.
Thanks
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jj1000 on March 27, 2015, 09:41:25 AM
So it's $100 per passenger to do plan B within 21 days, once you already booked your flight.

I'd pay $100 if anyone can get me plan B fee free. Has to be today...
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on March 27, 2015, 11:01:37 AM
So it's $100 per passenger to do plan B within 21 days, once you already booked your flight.

I'd pay $100 if anyone can get me plan B fee free. Has to be today...
PM sent.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: nobiggy on March 28, 2015, 07:30:20 AM
So it's $100 per passenger to do plan B within 21 days, once you already booked your flight.

I booked a plan B after booking an award ticket with out any fees.

I'd pay $100 if anyone can get me plan B fee free. Has to be today...
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on March 28, 2015, 09:52:53 PM

PM sent.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jj1000 on March 29, 2015, 10:42:59 AM
Thanks @ilherman PR1 on my way to EWR :)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: skinfarrock on March 29, 2015, 02:33:36 PM
Anyone try getting UA to book a Plan B on a date without X space by booking I space on another date and requesting I space for your desired date?



Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on March 29, 2015, 02:44:27 PM

Not sure that would give you PR1 though. You are not a displaced business class passenger. Dan, I think that is the answer to your question as well. It can be done but I don't see why the pax should get PR1.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: @Yehuda on April 19, 2015, 08:07:33 PM
First time trying a Plan B! I think I got it correct, right?
(http://i.imgur.com/fT9uDjx.png)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: D93 on April 19, 2015, 08:24:38 PM
First time trying a Plan B! I think I got it correct, right?
(http://i.imgur.com/fT9uDjx.png)
100% correct!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: @Yehuda on April 19, 2015, 08:27:40 PM
Thanks for confirming! Doesn't matter if it's I or IN requested?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: D93 on April 19, 2015, 08:30:20 PM
Thanks for confirming though! Doesn't matter if it's I or IN requested?
IN is only for elites. I is what you should be seeing.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: @Yehuda on April 19, 2015, 08:30:44 PM
IN is only for elites. I is what you should be seeing.
Burn.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on April 19, 2015, 09:37:17 PM
First time trying a Plan B! I think I got it correct, right?
(http://i.imgur.com/fT9uDjx.png)
Is this for you? Why didn't you book the flight to JFK?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on April 19, 2015, 09:40:21 PM
Thanks for confirming! Doesn't matter if it's I or IN requested?
Doesn't matter.

Seems like IN gets requested lots of times of Plan B's even though the pax is not elite. Either way, you're better off with IN.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on April 20, 2015, 12:19:39 AM
Is this for you? Why didn't you book the flight to JFK?

+1

Not sure why anyone would Plan B the EWR route :)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on April 20, 2015, 12:23:20 AM
+1

Not sure why anyone would Plan B the EWR route :)

Same plane. (atleast sometimes). And could be closer to home. So why not.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on April 20, 2015, 12:30:05 AM
Same plane. (atleast sometimes). And could be closer to home. So why not.

Forgot they do have the 752s on the EWR route.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on April 20, 2015, 12:52:26 AM
Forgot they do have the 752s on the EWR route.
Like 1 a day. And I verified, his is a cool 737.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on April 20, 2015, 12:55:06 AM
Like 1 a day. And I verified, his is a cool 737.

Ummm, it clearly says 757-200 in the booking image
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on April 20, 2015, 12:56:04 AM
Like 1 a day. And I verified, his is a cool 737.

Sometimes more it seems.

And:

(http://i.gyazo.com/10821a158ec71285dd6939700c5e65bf.png)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on April 20, 2015, 12:59:00 AM
Sometimes more it seems.

And:

(http://i.gyazo.com/10821a158ec71285dd6939700c5e65bf.png)
I stand correct.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: @Yehuda on April 20, 2015, 08:20:12 AM
Haha that was a fun convo to read. Working on a 2 week trip, so having a free parking spot by a relative near EWR was the factor pushing me for that airport. And, yes, it's the 757. :-)

Doesn't matter.

Seems like IN gets requested lots of times of Plan B's even though the pax is not elite. Either way, you're better off with IN.
I don't have IN, is it really better?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Dan on April 20, 2015, 08:45:42 AM
FWIW, No KSML for transcon ewr flights.
And of course IN is much better.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: coralsnake on April 20, 2015, 08:49:49 AM
Forgot they do have the 752s on the EWR route.
And even those are not all lie-flat.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: @Yehuda on April 20, 2015, 08:57:59 AM
FWIW, No KSML for transcon ewr flights.
And of course IN is much better.
Yeah that's fine. It's a morning flight, so it's just lunch that's an issue. I guess we'd bring some snacks/sandwiches and maybe head to NKS when we land. ;D

Is there a way I can get them to change me to IN?
Is it a problem that it still hasn't ticketed (~12 hours so far), or does Plan B take longer to ticket?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: @Yehuda on April 20, 2015, 11:54:40 AM
1) Is there a way I can get them to change me to IN?
2) Is it a problem that it still hasn't ticketed (~12 hours so far), or does Plan B take longer to ticket?
bump
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on April 20, 2015, 12:04:01 PM
bump
Some times I've heard it can take up to 24 hours to ticket.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: @Yehuda on April 21, 2015, 09:48:26 AM
I had to call up to finally get them to ticket it. Got the confirmation email and this is the Class now. Does that make sense?

(http://i.imgur.com/lg42bxY.png)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: JDeals on April 21, 2015, 09:58:24 AM
I had to call up to finally get them to ticket it. Got the confirmation email and this is the Class now. Does that make sense?

(http://i.imgur.com/lg42bxY.png)
HN is economy anytime award, meaning if I doesn't clear, u probably  won't get back the milage difference
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: @Yehuda on April 21, 2015, 10:01:33 AM
HN is economy anytime award, meaning if I doesn't clear, u probably  won't get back the milage difference
>:( How did that happen?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: JDeals on April 21, 2015, 10:03:17 AM
>:( How did that happen?
When they reissued the ticket they changed it to HN, I guess not every agent know how to set it up properly using X
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: @Yehuda on April 21, 2015, 10:05:00 AM
When they reissued the ticket they changed it to HN, I guess not every agent know how to set it up properly using X
Uch looks like I'll need to call again. Thanks.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on April 21, 2015, 10:28:40 AM
HN is economy anytime award, meaning if I doesn't clear, u probably  won't get back the milage difference
+1. Call up to get it corrected.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: @Yehuda on April 21, 2015, 01:45:47 PM
Boy, nothing goes simply in this game, does it?

Reps are claiming there was no Saver space available yesterday when I booked, that's why I was put in HN. Can you even DO Plan B if there's only standard space available?

Getting transferred around to try and show someone my screenshot that shows XN space. I hope that blocking out my dates doesn't come back to haunt me.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on April 21, 2015, 01:47:39 PM
Boy, nothing goes simply in this game, does it?

Reps are claiming there was no Saver space available yesterday when I booked, that's why I was put in HN. Can you even DO Plan B if there's only standard space available?

Getting transferred around to try and show someone my screenshot that shows XN space. I hope that blocking out my dates doesn't come back to haunt me.
Why would it come back to haunt you?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: @Yehuda on April 21, 2015, 01:50:16 PM
Why would it come back to haunt you?
The screenshot doesn't have anything specific in it, like my name, and doesn't even have the dates of travel. Technically, I could have pulled that out of anywhere.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on April 21, 2015, 01:54:16 PM
The screenshot doesn't have anything specific in it, like my name, and doesn't even have the dates of travel. Technically, I could have pulled that out of anywhere.
Does it have the url visible on top? Maybe they could tell from there where it came from.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on April 21, 2015, 01:57:10 PM
Boy, nothing goes simply in this game, does it?

Reps are claiming there was no Saver space available yesterday when I booked, that's why I was put in HN. Can you even DO Plan B if there's only standard space available?

Getting transferred around to try and show someone my screenshot that shows XN space. I hope that blocking out my dates doesn't come back to haunt me.
Book for a different date with saver space in I, and then call to waitlist I for your dates.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: @Yehuda on April 21, 2015, 02:23:06 PM
Does it have the url visible on top? Maybe they could tell from there where it came from.
The screenshot is the one I posted here, so no - there's no URL.

Book for a different date with saver space in I, and then call to waitlist I for your dates.
Ah, the other kind of Plan B. Thanks, but for this ticket...


Somehow I got transferred around United and ended up at the desk of a supervisor in the "dot come" department. She was surprised to hear my voice and said she's not customer-facing today (serving as an internal supervisor for the day) so has no idea how I got through to her. But she was really nice and agreed to look at my issue. She was able to see the notes on my account and that I had originally reserved XN space. After a little while on hold, she was able to put me back in XN class b"h! (However, she would not waitlist me to IN class, I tried...)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: @Yehuda on April 22, 2015, 04:51:19 PM
Playing around with another booking. Does this look like it would work? Picked a different date than I want that had I class and booked it with a waitlist for the day I do want (that doesn't have I or X space). I understand that if it doesn't clear, I would be stuck with a flight on the wrong date. Just curious if this looks equivalent to a normal Plan B.

(http://i.imgur.com/c3eigdc.png)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on April 22, 2015, 08:27:31 PM
Playing around with another booking. Does this look like it would work? Picked a different date than I want that had I class and booked it with a waitlist for the day I do want (that doesn't have I or X space). I understand that if it doesn't clear, I would be stuck with a flight on the wrong date. Just curious if this looks equivalent to a normal Plan B.

(http://i.imgur.com/c3eigdc.png)
It does not look the same. But technically its the same thing. BTW I don't think the 753 offers the flat bed seating.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: elya on April 22, 2015, 09:36:22 PM
It does not look the same. But technically its the same thing. BTW I don't think the 753 offers the flat bed seating.
I dont think thats pr-1 status. its just a benefit they offer elite members to waitlist, but unless I actually becomes available you wont get it.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: @Yehuda on April 22, 2015, 10:03:38 PM
It does not look the same. But technically its the same thing. BTW I don't think the 753 offers the flat bed seating.
It's not lie flat. But that's not the flight I actually want. I'll have to cancel this tomorrow. Only tried it because someone told me they did one like this and in the process the agent ticketed him on the day he wanted instead of waitlisting. Figured I might as well try :-)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: elya on April 22, 2015, 10:42:18 PM
It's not lie flat. But that's not the flight I actually want. I'll have to cancel this tomorrow. Only tried it because someone told me they did one like this and in the process the agent ticketed him on the day he wanted instead of waitlisting. Figured I might as well try :-)
It will only work if I class opens...
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: D93 on April 26, 2015, 08:39:03 AM
Is it possible to set up a plan b to waitlist for J and F on the same reservation?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: @Yehuda on April 26, 2015, 04:26:49 PM
My Plan B flight had a 1 hour schedule change made to it, and I thought I would be able to convince them to clear me into J because of it, but they're not budging. :-(
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on April 26, 2015, 04:33:46 PM
My Plan B flight had a 1 hour schedule change made to it, and I thought I would be able to convince them to clear me into J because of it, but they're not budging. :-(

What does a schedule change have to do with clearing into J?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: @Yehuda on April 26, 2015, 04:36:31 PM
What does a schedule change have to do with clearing into J?
I thought the consumer had this magical power once there is a schedule change. I guess I was wrong.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on April 26, 2015, 05:03:10 PM
I thought the consumer had this magical power once there is a schedule change. I guess I was wrong.

To redeposit/cancel without penalty.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on April 26, 2015, 07:29:45 PM
To redeposit/cancel without penalty.
+100. Not even worth HUCAing.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: keravelt on April 28, 2015, 01:53:34 PM
I apologize if this has been addressed before on this thread, but the thread is long and dont have right key words to search...
I booked a Plan B award to Australia 2 months ago. Reservations says I Class Requested (As it should have). The extra miles were never debited. What do I do? Will it still work? Can I ask for PR-1 status, even though I never technically "paid" for BC seat?
If that doesn't work, will I be on standby list, or will agents say, no I seat ever opened so tough luck...
Plane takes off on Sunday...
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on April 28, 2015, 06:12:50 PM
Miles need to be debited or your stuck.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: benjie1305 on April 28, 2015, 06:17:25 PM

Miles need to be debited or your stuck.

(There he is!)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: keravelt on April 28, 2015, 07:31:55 PM
Miles need to be debited or your stuck.

But how do I address the phone agent to debit the miles?
Everything is ticketed.
Am I supposed to cancel? Ill get hit on the cancellation and again on the close-in. Never mind, that on segment, there is seat availability for United Saver...
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on April 28, 2015, 09:42:20 PM
Well,  you may be stuck now. Should have addressed this at time of original booking.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: keravelt on April 29, 2015, 12:07:55 AM
Well,  you may be stuck now. Should have addressed this at time of original booking.
ok. But I should still be placed on the upgrade list, based on the award rules pasted below. So whats the practical difference? Can I still claim PR-1 status?

You may redeem miles for travel in United Global First, United First, United Business or United BusinessFirst, even if the space is not available. In these cases, United Economy in the same award type must be confirmed, and the front cabin will be waitlisted. If the courtesy waitlist does not clear, it will expire 24 hours before itinerary departure, and you will automatically be added to the airport upgrade standby list upon check-in. In these cases, you will be confirmed on a space-available basis by a United airport representative at the gate once the flight has closed for check-in. For United BusinessFirst and United Business travel awards, the difference in miles will be refunded when the United BusinessFirst or United Business class segment of the trip could not be confirmed. Waitlist requests may only be made over the phone with your local United Customer Contact Center.
From http://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/mileageplus/awards/travel/types.aspx
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on April 29, 2015, 12:44:48 AM
ok. But I should still be placed on the upgrade list, based on the award rules pasted below. So whats the practical difference? Can I still claim PR-1 status?

You may redeem miles for travel in United Global First, United First, United Business or United BusinessFirst, even if the space is not available. In these cases, United Economy in the same award type must be confirmed, and the front cabin will be waitlisted. If the courtesy waitlist does not clear, it will expire 24 hours before itinerary departure, and you will automatically be added to the airport upgrade standby list upon check-in. In these cases, you will be confirmed on a space-available basis by a United airport representative at the gate once the flight has closed for check-in. For United BusinessFirst and United Business travel awards, the difference in miles will be refunded when the United BusinessFirst or United Business class segment of the trip could not be confirmed. Waitlist requests may only be made over the phone with your local United Customer Contact Center.
From http://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/mileageplus/awards/travel/types.aspx

The award rules you posted refer to Plan B. You do not have a proper Plan B.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: TAVI on May 03, 2015, 06:32:09 PM
how many HUCAs does this usually take?

I'm trying to book a plan B award fro JFK-LAX, and have used the web-support call back line feature 4 times already without success. none of the agents had any idea of what i was talking about.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: mawmaw on May 03, 2015, 06:40:39 PM
cant even get Y with saver on EWR-TLV :(
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: TAVI on May 03, 2015, 09:13:58 PM
how many HUCAs does this usually take?

I'm trying to book a plan B award fro JFK-LAX, and have used the web-support call back line feature 4 times already without success. none of the agents had any idea of what i was talking about.

it took 7 tries to get someone that said she was familiar with the procedure and really sounded like she knew what she was doing, and i thought i was in the clear.

but checking the reservation now, only 12.5K points were redeemed from the account, so i assume that she didnt do it right and i would have to call and redo the reservation right?

Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: keravelt on May 04, 2015, 02:29:35 PM
The award rules you posted refer to Plan B. You do not have a proper Plan B.
Ok, this is how it panned out. I called back (HUCA a few times) and explained the miles should have been debited. They did so, without me having to cancel and rebook the entire reservation. Plan B worked perfectly. JFK-LAX, confirmed business 32 hours  before takeoff. LAX-MEL, confirmed in LAX. Thanks y'all
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on May 04, 2015, 02:35:19 PM
Ok, this is how it panned out. I called back (HUCA a few times) and explained the miles should have been debited. They did so, without me having to cancel and rebook the entire reservation. Plan B worked perfectly. JFK-LAX, confirmed business 32 hours  before takeoff. LAX-MEL, confirmed in LAX. Thanks y'all
Nice! How did it confirm in LAX? Did you get PR1 status?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: @Yehuda on May 04, 2015, 03:57:24 PM
Ok, this is how it panned out. I called back (HUCA a few times) and explained the miles should have been debited. They did so, without me having to cancel and rebook the entire reservation. Plan B worked perfectly. JFK-LAX, confirmed business 32 hours  before takeoff. LAX-MEL, confirmed in LAX. Thanks y'all
Awesome! Please do fill in the details - for LAX as ilherman asked and for JFK - did it automatically put you in J or you got an email and had to call in?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: D93 on May 05, 2015, 03:43:18 PM
Is it possible to set up a plan b to waitlist for J and F on the same reservation?
BUMP
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: @Yehuda on May 06, 2015, 10:05:03 AM
Although my confirmation looks good, I noticed that in my recent account activity, it says I redeemed for a Standard award. Is that going to be an issue? (25K is the value of Saver Business on the flight.

(http://i.imgur.com/uThtlS4.png?2)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on May 06, 2015, 10:40:21 AM
Although my confirmation looks good, I noticed that in my recent account activity, it says I redeemed for a Standard award. Is that going to be an issue? (25K is the value of Saver Business on the flight.

(http://i.imgur.com/uThtlS4.png?2)
Yes.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: BarryLincoln on May 06, 2015, 10:57:12 AM
Yes.

So in this case, if Plan B doesn't work, will he get debited the 25k for Standard Award or 12.5K for Saver Award?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: @Yehuda on May 06, 2015, 10:59:04 AM
Yes.
Only if I don't get into J?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: BarryLincoln on May 06, 2015, 11:01:02 AM
Only if I don't get into J?

How will United know that there was Y saver availability when you drew up your Plan B?  Maybe I'm being too medayek here...
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: @Yehuda on May 06, 2015, 11:42:11 AM
How will United know that there was Y saver availability when you drew up your Plan B?  Maybe I'm being too medayek here...
Huh? You can see my confirmation screenshot earlier in this thread. There was XN availability.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: BarryLincoln on May 06, 2015, 11:44:56 AM
Huh? You can see my confirmation screenshot earlier in this thread. There was XN availability.
Got it.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: LAXtraveler on May 13, 2015, 10:43:25 PM
I have a multi-city on hold where the main flights are in saver J but the feeder flights are only in saver Y. The agent told me that only at ticketing can the request be made for a Plan B. Is that right or should it be able to be set up prior to ticketing?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: LAXtraveler on May 14, 2015, 02:23:42 AM
I have a multi-city on hold where the main flights are in saver J but the feeder flights are only in saver Y. The agent told me that only at ticketing can the request be made for a Plan B. Is that right or should it be able to be set up prior to ticketing?

Update on this:  Booked my tickets and they manually put in the "I Class Requested" at the same time I ticketed the itinerary.  Since the award is being issued as a "I" award for the overwater legs, I was deducted the business level miles no matter what. At this point my itinerary shows "I Class Requested" for the domestic flights and has been deducted the proper miles for a full I award on the entire journey.  I think it should be OK, but just want to make sure I am not missing anything.

Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: D93 on May 14, 2015, 07:26:32 AM
Update on this:  Booked my tickets and they manually put in the "I Class Requested" at the same time I ticketed the itinerary.  Since the award is being issued as a "I" award for the overwater legs, I was deducted the business level miles no matter what. At this point my itinerary shows "I Class Requested" for the domestic flights and has been deducted the proper miles for a full I award on the entire journey.  I think it should be OK, but just want to make sure I am not missing anything.

Sounds right. Can you post a screen shot?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: rileywiles23 on May 14, 2015, 09:49:54 AM
If I book a UA economy ticket, with AC miles, can I do plan B if I have UA miles in my UA account ?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: jaywhy on May 14, 2015, 10:20:23 AM
If I book a UA economy ticket, with AC miles, can I do plan B if I have UA miles in my UA account ?
No.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: LAXtraveler on May 14, 2015, 01:24:30 PM

Sounds right. Can you post a screen shot?

Will do that when I get back to my computer. Thanks.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: LAXtraveler on May 14, 2015, 04:04:10 PM
Sounds right. Can you post a screen shot?

See below for my set up.  Let me know if you think it is OK.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: D93 on May 14, 2015, 05:19:21 PM
See below for my set up.  Let me know if you think it is OK.  Thanks.

Looks perfect.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: LAXtraveler on May 14, 2015, 05:21:08 PM
Looks perfect.

Excellent, thanks.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: LAXtraveler on May 19, 2015, 03:40:44 PM
Update: already confirmed on one of the flights that were waitlisted.  Didn't even have to call up - automatically got moved up and then went to the reservation just pick a seat.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Moishebatchy on May 19, 2015, 03:48:42 PM
Looks perfect.

It's not a "genuine" Plan B, though. It's simply a regular case of the feeder legs being waitlisted for the front cabin.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: LAXtraveler on May 19, 2015, 03:49:26 PM
It's not a "genuine" Plan B, though. It's simply a regular case of the feeder legs being waitlisted for the front cabin.

Correct, but it still needs to be manually put in as a Plan B would be.  The agent said it would not be automatic unless I requested as I did - would have just been a mixed-cabin award.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Moishebatchy on May 19, 2015, 03:56:38 PM
Exactly. But 1) the full biz miles were already deducted anyway, regardless of the upgrade request, and 2) you wouldn't be entitled to any sort of refund even if the upgrade doesn't clear. Hence my observation. Feel free to ignore it, perhaps I'm old and senile. ;)
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: moneyman on May 19, 2015, 07:28:27 PM
If i booked this ticket about a month ago on a saaver economy reward, can i still do plan B since its still months before the flight or is it too late since i already booked it? Sorry for being a novice. Thanx in advance!!

FLIGHT INFORMATION
Day, Date   Flight   Class   Departure City and Time   Arrival City and Time   Aircraft   Meal
Mon, 10AUG15   UA1165   XN   LOS ANGELES, CA
(LAX) 10:25 PM   NEWARK, NJ
(EWR - LIBERTY) 6:29 AM      
Tue, 11AUG15   UA84   XN   NEWARK, NJ
(EWR - LIBERTY) 4:40 PM   TEL AVIV, ISRAEL
(TLV) 10:15 AM (12AUG)   777-200   Dinner
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: LAXtraveler on May 19, 2015, 07:28:33 PM
Exactly. But 1) the full biz miles were already deducted anyway, regardless of the upgrade request, and 2) you wouldn't be entitled to any sort of refund even if the upgrade doesn't clear. Hence my observation. Feel free to ignore it, perhaps I'm old and senile. ;)

I know that feeling...  :D
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Moishebatchy on May 20, 2015, 04:11:04 AM
If i booked this ticket about a month ago on a saaver economy reward, can i still do plan B since its still months before the flight or is it too late since i already booked it? Sorry for being a novice. Thanx in advance!!

FLIGHT INFORMATION
Day, Date   Flight   Class   Departure City and Time   Arrival City and Time   Aircraft   Meal
Mon, 10AUG15   UA1165   XN   LOS ANGELES, CA
(LAX) 10:25 PM   NEWARK, NJ
(EWR - LIBERTY) 6:29 AM      
Tue, 11AUG15   UA84   XN   NEWARK, NJ
(EWR - LIBERTY) 4:40 PM   TEL AVIV, ISRAEL
(TLV) 10:15 AM (12AUG)   777-200   Dinner

Should be fine, give it a try.
Title: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: moneyman on May 20, 2015, 10:30:38 AM
Moishybatchy- thanx. I tried and she was able to do it. Only thing is when I booked the saver economy i had th cc so i got xn class now that I don't have it any more i only got "i class requested" instead of "IN class". Does it make a difference, meaning is there a better chance of getting business class with "in" than "i".  If yes then could I sign up for the card again and have them change it to "in"? Thanx in advance!!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on May 20, 2015, 10:45:57 AM
IN does have a better chance. The CC does not give you IN only XN.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: moneyman on May 20, 2015, 06:32:13 PM
Quote
IN does have a better chance. The CC does not give you IN only XN.

Thanx
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: username on May 20, 2015, 07:06:28 PM
Forgive me if this has been asked.
When doing a plan B, and you have a domestic short flight, and then the long international flight, can you go to the airport 24 hours before your domestic flight and be put on the top of the list for the international flight?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Moishebatchy on May 21, 2015, 02:28:45 AM
Forgive me if this has been asked.
When doing a plan B, and you have a domestic short flight, and then the long international flight, can you go to the airport 24 hours before your domestic flight and be put on the top of the list for the international flight?

With enough persistence, I think so.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MillValleyMom on May 22, 2015, 01:10:25 PM
Ticketed reservation in XN class from SFO to FRA, then X class from FRA to IST on TK. Question, can I Plan B on the SFO to FRA segment by confirming I class on the TK leg (which has availability)? Will I risk losing the additional miles if the SFO segment does not clear, since I will have confirmed the TK leg? I did call UA to see about doing this, but was told they no longer offered waitlist options. Based on other posters, I'm assuming this is a HUCA situation?  Thanks for your help!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on May 22, 2015, 01:13:57 PM
Ticketed reservation in XN class from SFO to FRA, then X class from FRA to IST on TK. Question, can I Plan B on the SFO to FRA segment by confirming I class on the TK leg (which has availability)? Will I risk losing the additional miles if the SFO segment does not clear, since I will have confirmed the TK leg? I did call UA to see about doing this, but was told they no longer offered waitlist options. Based on other posters, I'm assuming this is a HUCA situation?  Thanks for your help!
Welcome to the forums! You're correct. UA will not refund miles if I doesn't clear SFO-FRA if you confirm J on FRA-IST. If you don't confirm J on the second leg and I doesn't clear you'll get the miles back. If I clears SFO-FRA and J is still available FRA-IST you could have UA confirm you in J on TK after you're already confirmed in I on UA.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MillValleyMom on May 22, 2015, 06:08:59 PM
Welcome to the forums! You're correct. UA will not refund miles if I doesn't clear SFO-FRA if you confirm J on FRA-IST. If you don't confirm J on the second leg and I doesn't clear you'll get the miles back. If I clears SFO-FRA and J is still available FRA-IST you could have UA confirm you in J on TK after you're already confirmed in I on UA.

Thanks so much, Yehoshua! Are you saying that I can waitlist on the SFO-FRA leg? I thought at least one leg of the trip had to be ticketed in J to do so. How would I go about doing this? Every single agent I've spoken to says that it's not possible to waitlist any longer. Thanks again!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on May 22, 2015, 06:11:14 PM
Thanks so much, Yehoshua! Are you saying that I can waitlist on the SFO-FRA leg? I thought at least one leg of the trip had to be ticketed in J to do so. How would I go about doing this? Every single agent I've spoken to says that it's not possible to waitlist any longer. Thanks again!
When's the flight?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: MillValleyMom on May 22, 2015, 06:16:11 PM
When's the flight?

July 3rd UA #903 to TK #1588
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on May 22, 2015, 06:25:42 PM
July 3rd UA #903 to TK #1588
Have United call you. The agents at that line can help you set up plan B better than when you call them. And yes, you should be able to set it up because TK J is available now.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Moishebatchy on May 25, 2015, 06:10:38 AM
You cannot do Plan B.

1) Your second flight is on TK metal; Plan B is only available on UA metal.
2) Your international flight will be confirmed in J, so "Plan B" is irrelevant - even if it were UA metal, and your waitlist would clear for the international segment (but not the domestic), the Plan B would be considered "successful", despite the fact that you would be in the exact situation you find yourself right now. So either way, you're already at the "finish line" of Plan B, so to speak.

What you can do is request a simple, plain old-fashioned "waitlist". And it mentions it right there on the UA site (http://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/mileageplus/awards/travel/types.aspx):

Quote
You may redeem miles for travel in United Global First, United First, United Business or United BusinessFirst, even if the space is not available. In these cases, United Economy in the same award type must be confirmed, and the front cabin will be waitlisted. If the courtesy waitlist does not clear, it will expire 24 hours before itinerary departure, and you will automatically be added to the airport upgrade standby list upon check-in. In these cases, you will be confirmed on a space-available basis by a United airport representative at the gate once the flight has closed for check-in. For United BusinessFirst and United Business travel awards, the difference in miles will be refunded when the United BusinessFirst or United Business class segment of the trip could not be confirmed. Waitlist requests may only be made over the phone with your local United Customer Contact Center.

You won't get any mileage refund if it doesn't clear, but everything else about that paragraph should be true.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: 3yummyboys on June 01, 2015, 11:06:16 AM
If there is saver award availability, does that mean that X or XN has to be open?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on June 01, 2015, 11:22:27 AM
If there is saver award availability, does that mean that X or XN has to be open?
Yes
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: 3yummyboys on June 01, 2015, 02:00:45 PM
Thanks. I'm trying to get to know he expert mode.

Reading the blogs makes it look like plan b is a sure thing. In anyone's experience, what would you say the percentage of plan b bookings do NOT end up flying business/first?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on June 01, 2015, 02:45:53 PM
Thanks. I'm trying to get to know he expert mode.

Reading the blogs makes it look like plan b is a sure thing. In anyone's experience, what would you say the percentage of plan b bookings do NOT end up flying business/first?

That's like asking what percentage of flights will have award availability.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: 3yummyboys on June 01, 2015, 02:52:51 PM
Seems like I have a knack for these kinds of questions.

I'm just taking an unofficial poll of people's experiences
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Platinum on June 01, 2015, 04:10:52 PM
Can I do a plan b from J to F if the first two legs are on non UA metal and the first two legs don't have F cabins?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on June 01, 2015, 05:19:33 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Platinum on June 01, 2015, 05:28:16 PM
Yes.
Thank you!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: moneyman on June 01, 2015, 07:15:09 PM
If i did plan b 4 months before my flight, when am i expected to see if i got the seats? Cud it be a week or more before the flight or is it always a day or two before? Thanx!
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chucksterace on June 01, 2015, 07:22:19 PM
If i did plan b 4 months before my flight, when am i expected to see if i got the seats? Cud it be a week or more before the flight or is it always a day or two before? Thanx!

Upgrades are unpredictable. Can be anytime from 1 day after requesting  to 5 minutes before the flight to none at all.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: moneyman on June 02, 2015, 10:27:41 AM
Thanx chucksterace
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: 3yummyboys on June 03, 2015, 12:58:27 PM
2 Qs

1) If I book a business class award that is mixed cabin, if the second leg in business opens up will I get automatically upgraded?
2) If not, would it be better to book the saver economy on plan B? If I do, since there is availability on one leg, would I automatically get upgraded on that leg?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: @Yehuda on June 03, 2015, 01:41:53 PM
2 Qs

1) If I book a business class award that is mixed cabin, if the second leg in business opens up will I get automatically upgraded?
2) If not, would it be better to book the saver economy on plan B? If I do, since there is availability on one leg, would I automatically get upgraded on that leg?
I think those are great questions! If anyone knows...
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on June 03, 2015, 01:46:03 PM
2 Qs

1) If I book a business class award that is mixed cabin, if the second leg in business opens up will I get automatically upgraded?
2) If not, would it be better to book the saver economy on plan B? If I do, since there is availability on one leg, would I automatically get upgraded on that leg?
If you book a mixed cabin award and space opens on the Y leg you can probably call and get moved to J, but it won't happen automatically. This isn't related to Plan B.

If you book Plan B and there's room on one leg, you should be put into J on that leg and automatically upgraded to J if room opens on the leg without J availability. I believe they will set it up for you like that. I know it works for sure when one leg isn't UA but has J availability and the UA leg doesn't.

Either way you'd end up spending more miles for J. In the first case because you booked a mixed cabin knowingly and in the second case because you flew in J on at least 1 segment.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: 3yummyboys on June 03, 2015, 03:12:24 PM
Thanks so much. Are you saying that if I book mixed cabin and something opens up I'll have to pay extra miles?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on June 03, 2015, 03:14:42 PM
Thanks so much. Are you saying that if I book mixed cabin and something opens up I'll have to pay extra miles?
If you book a mixed cabin you pay the price of the higher cabin. If you do Plan B correctly they take the price of the higher cabin out of your account at the time it's set up, so either way it's the same.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: 3yummyboys on June 03, 2015, 05:54:46 PM
Got it thanks
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: 3yummyboys on June 05, 2015, 08:18:54 AM
If I book plan B and don't get upgraded, would I be able to switch to the non-saver business if I want to?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on June 05, 2015, 09:57:37 AM
If its available, why not?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: @Yehuda on June 05, 2015, 09:59:08 AM
If its available, why not?
They wouldn't try to charge a change fee?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on June 05, 2015, 10:00:03 AM
They may.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on June 05, 2015, 10:00:09 AM
They wouldn't try to charge a change fee?
I don't think so. You're upgrading.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on June 05, 2015, 10:01:06 AM
So what? Its still considered a CHANGE.

You may have luck with HUCA though.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Yehoshua on June 05, 2015, 10:02:10 AM
So what? Its still considered a CHANGE.
So it's only AA who doesn't charge a fee to upgrade an award ticket?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on June 05, 2015, 10:03:30 AM
So it's only AA who doesn't charge a fee to upgrade an award ticket?
AA does not charge a CHANGE fee as long you keep origin / dest.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: 3yummyboys on June 05, 2015, 11:57:23 AM

AA does not charge a CHANGE fee as long you keep origin / dest.

They charge to change from regular down to saver.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: leaf on June 05, 2015, 12:30:49 PM
They charge to change from regular down to saver.
+1 in practice they only waive the change fee if you are spending more miles, I. E. Upgrading
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: leaf on June 05, 2015, 12:32:02 PM
+1 in practice they only waive the change fee if you are spending more miles, I. E. Upgrading
To clarify: For AA.  United officially charges for all changes but YMMV with an agent on the phone, status etc.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Joe4007 on June 05, 2015, 02:00:56 PM
+1 in practice they only waive the change fee if you are spending more miles, I. E. Upgrading
Not exactly. They don't charge a change fee for date changes.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: leaf on June 05, 2015, 02:03:11 PM
Not exactly. They don't charge a change fee for date changes.
Yes. Already mentioned upthread. Was commenting on changing classes. 
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: isramen on June 09, 2015, 07:58:23 PM
If I"m using plan B for 3 passengers does it mean that I"ll only get upgraded if there are 3 upgrades available at the same time or it will upgrade one at a time?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on June 09, 2015, 09:54:34 PM
If I"m using plan B for 3 passengers does it mean that I"ll only get upgraded if there are 3 upgrades available at the same time or it will upgrade one at a time?
Probably only if 3 seats open up. Though at the airport it will probably clear even if just one seat is available.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Platinum on June 10, 2015, 12:52:45 AM
I had only one clear at the airport I didn't take it and got my miles back.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: cooper10 on June 11, 2015, 09:37:14 PM
Hello,

I've booked a few Plan B tickets in the past, and all have cleared well before flight time.  I booked tickets for my husband and me a couple of days ago, and I'm not certain this was done properly.

On separate PNR's, we're flying an open jaw from ORD-SFO (stopover), and on to Honolulu.  Both these legs are in first.  Our return is just to SFO.  We're currently in coach, wait listed for first - but this ticket should have been 80,000 miles.  Instead, only 62,500 miles were deducted from our own accounts.

It's always been my understanding the full amount must be deducted for a Plan B ticket.  Do I need to call and change this, or will I be notified to call in and pay the difference when (and if), we clear?

Thanks so very much.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: sruly on June 23, 2015, 11:39:23 PM
Can you try plan B on 2 flights for the same night ?

EWR-LHR at 625pm and if that does not clear try for the 730pm on standby ?
Will I still get PR1 on the second flight ?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on June 24, 2015, 10:18:53 AM
Yes. Will require double the miles and a redeposit fee.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: sruly on June 24, 2015, 10:25:21 AM
Yes. Will require double the miles and a redeposit fee.
so I can't do it on one res. ?
Lets say at 545 they tell me business is full for the 625 flight can I then asked to be switched to the 730 flight ?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on June 24, 2015, 10:30:01 AM
Officially not. But you may find a rep at the airport who might bend the rules for you. I'd guess very unlikely.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: sruly on June 24, 2015, 10:32:18 AM
Thanks,
What's my best bet tomorrow ewr-lhr for 2?
Both the 625 and 730 have saver award avail.
The 730 seems to have a lot more avail seats bit don't want my parents stuck in 2 middle seats (they just switched the aircraft yesterday).
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: mmm740 on June 24, 2015, 10:51:06 AM
Thanks,
What's my best bet tomorrow ewr-lhr for 2?
Both the 625 and 730 have saver award avail.
The 730 seems to have a lot more avail seats bit don't want my parents stuck in 2 middle seats (they just switched the aircraft yesterday).
They both have business availability? If so take the 6:25 on the 767. If they are available in economy and you want to set up plan b, you probably have a better chance on the 7:30.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: sruly on June 24, 2015, 10:54:02 AM
They both have business availability? If so take the 6:25 on the 767. If they are available in economy and you want to set up plan b, you probably have a better chance on the 7:30.
none of them have bus. Avail
I set up plan B 2 months ago on the 730 B/c it was the only 2 cabin plane with 2-2-2 config.
Yesterday they switched to a 3 cabin 777 with 2-4-2 and they switched the 767 to a 2 cabin plane.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: sruly on June 24, 2015, 10:56:20 AM
you probably have a better chance on the 7:30.
I understand that probably better avail on the 7:30 flight but I don't want then stcuk in 2 middle seats in business class.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: mmm740 on June 24, 2015, 10:58:00 AM
I understand that probably better avail on the 7:30 flight but I don't want then stcuk in 2 middle seats in business class.
Better than being stuck in economy.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: esther gee on June 24, 2015, 11:13:52 AM
Booked a plan b nyc-vce for tomorrow- the agent told me to book it on the computer as a saaver award to save the $25 booking fee, on top of the $50 close in fee- when I called back to change the ticket to a plan b- agent told me it costs an additional $50 close in fee cuz I am changing the class of the flight- anyone ever heard of this before?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on June 24, 2015, 11:21:52 AM
Booked a plan b nyc-vce for tomorrow- the agent told me to book it on the computer as a saaver award to save the $25 booking fee, on top of the $50 close in fee- when I called back to change the ticket to a plan b- agent told me it costs an additional $50 close in fee cuz I am changing the class of the flight- anyone ever heard of this before?
BS. HUCA.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: sruly on June 25, 2015, 03:15:12 PM
At EWR where's the best chance of getting PR-1 ?
Economy check in ? Business check in ? Lounge ?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: D93 on June 25, 2015, 03:22:40 PM
At EWR where's the best chance of getting PR-1 ?
Economy check in ? Business check in ? Lounge ?
Lounge
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: sruly on June 25, 2015, 03:32:48 PM
Lounge
which check in is better ?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: sruly on June 25, 2015, 06:32:23 PM
Business check-in at EWR was not very helpful but the service desk at the gates were able to set it up correctly.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: AJK on June 25, 2015, 06:36:29 PM
Business check-in at EWR was not very helpful but the service desk at the gates were able to set it up correctly.

Business check-in at EWR are, for the most part, idiots.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Knaper_Chuchem on June 26, 2015, 12:27:37 AM
Business check-in at EWR was not very helpful but the service desk at the gates were able to set it up correctly.
Did it clear?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on June 26, 2015, 12:44:23 AM
Did it clear?
No.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Chief Rabbi of New York on June 26, 2015, 06:38:32 AM
can I call up for plan B a week after I purchase my tickets? or does it have to be done within 24 hrs?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: sruly on June 26, 2015, 10:32:07 AM
Did it clear?
yes.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Super Speed on July 03, 2015, 06:20:16 PM
Does Plan B have to be put in place right after booking or can you wait sometime (over 24 hours) before setting it up?
What's the chance that 4 seats clear the list if half the seats are already booked?
What happens if only some of them clear, can I refuse it and get a refund for all 4 tickets on the upgrade?
The flight is EWR-LAX RT (end of July-begining of August?), if that makes any difference.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: gt on July 07, 2015, 03:07:32 PM
does this still with miles someone told me that it doesnt
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: DMYD on July 07, 2015, 03:32:55 PM
does this still with miles someone told me that it doesnt
Uh please explain
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: Wafflemuffins on July 07, 2015, 03:52:58 PM
does this still with miles someone told me that it doesnt
You mean work with miles? As apposed to what?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: keravelt on July 07, 2015, 05:27:20 PM
Nice! How did it confirm in LAX? Did you get PR1 status?
Awesome! Please do fill in the details - for LAX as ilherman asked and for JFK - did it automatically put you in J or you got an email and had to call in?
Re JFK we got email confirmation within 48 hours of confirmed upgrade. Upon arrival in LAX we approached the counter as to the status of our upgrade and they confirmed our seats on the spot. There were empty seats in Business so didn't have to wait on upgrade list.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: gt on July 08, 2015, 02:18:50 AM
You mean work with miles? As apposed to what?
someone told me you can no longer book a plan b ticket and wanted to know if that was true
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: yeshiva36 on July 10, 2015, 10:09:05 AM
Does plan B have any advantage over waitlisting prior to the day of the flight (where you get pr-1 status? )
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chulent613 on July 12, 2015, 12:56:54 AM
someone told me you can no longer book a plan b ticket and wanted to know if that was true
I booked one on Friday...
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chulent613 on July 12, 2015, 01:00:21 AM
I booked a plan B domestic and it says "I requested" but only
12.5k was deducted.
Anyone know if I got lucky or if something wasn't done right?
Did this happen to anyone else?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on July 12, 2015, 01:15:25 AM
I booked a plan B domestic and it says "I requested" but only
12.5k was deducted.
Anyone know if I got lucky or if something wasn't done right?
Did this happen to anyone else?
Why do you think you got lucky? If something, you are not lucky... Plan B is not set up correctly.
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: chulent613 on July 12, 2015, 01:18:46 AM
Why do you think you got lucky? If something, you are not lucky... Plan B is not set up correctly.
I called them back and they said it was set up correctly but mistakenly charged only 12.5k.
What do you suggest I do?
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking BusinessFirst Awards Without Availability
Post by: ilherman on July 12, 2015, 01:25:33 AM
I called them back and they said it was set up correctly but mistakenly charged only 12.5k.
What do you suggest I do?
Have them deduct additional 12.5k. You will not be able to reissue the ticket in I class unless you pay the additional 12.5k
Title: Re: Plan B Discussion: Booking Busines