DansDeals.com Forums

DansDeals Forum => Up In The Air => Topic started by: Yoel on April 13, 2010, 12:09:47 AM

Title: US AIRWAYS BUSINESS CLASS
Post by: Yoel on April 13, 2010, 12:09:47 AM
Anyone have any experience with US Airways business class to Israel from phl?
I want to use my continental miles but the only decent flight is with US Airways.
Title: Re: US AIRWAYS BUSINESS CLASS
Post by: steve2 on April 13, 2010, 12:22:30 AM
 they say its much better then CO GRAB it as US is supposeto be using on those 332s taht have the lie flat seats

 service is probably better on CO but US has the better seat
Title: Re: US AIRWAYS BUSINESS CLASS
Post by: SuperFlyer on April 13, 2010, 07:12:34 AM
As usa airlines service is very shvach, no question about it, go for the seats, even more so when going for a short trip, when you don't have time to relax from your trip.
Title: Re: US AIRWAYS BUSINESS CLASS
Post by: moish on April 13, 2010, 09:20:36 AM
seats should be the primary concern for you. who needs the service? all those fake smiles drive me nuts
Title: Re: US AIRWAYS BUSINESS CLASS
Post by: SuperFlyer on April 13, 2010, 09:56:50 AM
I have a special, which provides me with real smiles. ;-)
Title: Re: US AIRWAYS BUSINESS CLASS
Post by: SuperFlyer on April 13, 2010, 09:57:51 AM
No "edit" possible with blackberry.

I meant, I have a special card...
Title: Re: US AIRWAYS BUSINESS CLASS
Post by: moish on April 13, 2010, 10:39:22 AM
i heard from a jewish flight attendant who later became frum that all flight attendants cant stand the orthodox jewish passenger and badmouth them when the curtain is closed. so i know whats behind the artificial smile.
Title: Re: US AIRWAYS BUSINESS CLASS
Post by: steve2 on April 13, 2010, 11:00:08 AM
i heard from a jewish flight attendant who later became frum that all flight attendants cant stand the orthodox jewish passenger and badmouth them when the curtain is closed. so i know whats behind the artificial smile.

 1- cant blame them , Id feel the same way

  2- I got to know numerous FAs on TWA who would come over and say Hi when they saw me in the Terms wherever it was, sometimes on the moving walkway at STL going in the opposite direction and a couple told me to wait and turned around and came over to chat. So if a person doesnt fill the sterotype of being an Obnoxious Religious Jewish Traveler (wheres the milk I asked for, wheres this wheres that, dont tell me I cant stand up etc etc) they dont think any different about a Religious Jew
Title: Re: US AIRWAYS BUSINESS CLASS
Post by: eliteflyer on April 13, 2010, 03:56:16 PM
Unless you have a confirmed Flat-seated 777, Id go with USairways. The seats are more comfortable, and newer. The service is perfectly fine. Where food is concerned, if your ordereing a kosher meal, its the same garbage with both carriers......(and for all of you who think that kosher airline meals taste better when eaten with stainless steal flatware off of Continental branded china......)
Title: Re: US AIRWAYS BUSINESS CLASS
Post by: Yellow on April 13, 2010, 04:11:48 PM
seats should be the primary concern for you. who needs the service? all those fake smiles drive me nuts
the fake smiles are awful, but its better than the antisemitic rudeness that i have experienced on Iberia
Title: Re: US AIRWAYS BUSINESS CLASS
Post by: Dan on April 13, 2010, 04:13:21 PM
Unless you have a confirmed Flat-seated 777, Id go with USairways. The seats are more comfortable, and newer. The service is perfectly fine. Where food is concerned, if your ordereing a kosher meal, its the same garbage with both carriers......(and for all of you who think that kosher airline meals taste better when eaten with stainless steal flatware off of Continental branded china......)
I actually loved the breakfast on my last CO BusinessFirst EWR-TLV meal.
Great cheese blintzes, Norman Peach nonfat Yogurt, a bagel with J&J reduced fat cream cheese, a cheese plate, and a fruit cup.

But I've never flown US internationally so I can't comment.
Title: Re: US AIRWAYS BUSINESS CLASS
Post by: damaxer91 on April 13, 2010, 06:46:36 PM
The new US Airways Envoy Class is fantastic. I've flown almost all of the major airlines in Business Class to/from TLV (LY/CO/DL/LX/LH) and other than the new Swiss 333, the seats on US are the best. The service actually can be pretty decent, depending on the crew.
Title: Re: US AIRWAYS BUSINESS CLASS
Post by: eliteflyer on April 13, 2010, 07:03:29 PM
I actually loved the breakfast on my last CO BusinessFirst EWR-TLV meal.
Great cheese blintzes, Norman Peach nonfat Yogurt, a bagel with J&J reduced fat cream cheese, a cheese plate, and a fruit cup.

But I've never flown US internationally so I can't comment.
Still its over-rated. You get the same thing for breakfast less the blintzes when you fly that route in Y.
Title: Re: US AIRWAYS BUSINESS CLASS
Post by: Dan on April 13, 2010, 07:21:42 PM
Still its over-rated. You get the same thing for breakfast less the blintzes when you fly that route in Y.
I don't think kosher airline food can be over-rated...it's got a pretty bad reputation to begin with  ;D
Title: Re: US AIRWAYS BUSINESS CLASS
Post by: Yoel on April 13, 2010, 11:10:50 PM
Do all US Airways flights to Tel Aviv have the new business class seats?
Title: Re: US AIRWAYS BUSINESS CLASS
Post by: Yaalili on April 13, 2010, 11:17:05 PM
My sister flew on CO and siad it was great, but go with whichever works better for your schedule and for your wallet :)
Title: Re: US AIRWAYS BUSINESS CLASS
Post by: dedskwirl on April 14, 2010, 01:32:34 AM
So i have a potential 39 to 69 thousand miles to use towards a flight to israel, preferably on *A which is the best airline to bank in?
Title: Re: US AIRWAYS BUSINESS CLASS
Post by: moish on April 14, 2010, 03:19:32 AM
1- cant blame them , Id feel the same way

  2- I got to know numerous FAs on TWA who would come over and say Hi when they saw me in the Terms wherever it was, sometimes on the moving walkway at STL going in the opposite direction and a couple told me to wait and turned around and came over to chat. So if a person doesnt fill the sterotype of being an Obnoxious Religious Jewish Traveler (wheres the milk I asked for, wheres this wheres that, dont tell me I cant stand up etc etc) they dont think any different about a Religious Jew
its actually because of all the extra attention/needs we have. usually flying with kids, kosher meals, extra hand luggage etc and not so much because of being obnoxious.
Title: Re: US AIRWAYS BUSINESS CLASS
Post by: moish on April 14, 2010, 03:22:15 AM
the fake smiles are awful, but its better than the antisemitic rudeness that i have experienced on Iberia
i dont think you can generalize for an airline based on a specific experience. ive flown iberia numerous times without feeling an iota of anti semitism - and that was with a plane full of israelis who thought they were still in israel. and ive had a bad experience or two on aa, but usually not
Title: Re: US AIRWAYS BUSINESS CLASS
Post by: moish on April 14, 2010, 03:23:36 AM
I actually loved the breakfast on my last CO BusinessFirst EWR-TLV meal.
Great cheese blintzes, Norman Peach nonfat Yogurt, a bagel with J&J reduced fat cream cheese, a cheese plate, and a fruit cup.

But I've never flown US internationally so I can't comment.
pretty impressive that you remembered what they served you a while back - i cant remember what i ate five minutes ago! (unless you took a pic)
Title: Re: US AIRWAYS BUSINESS CLASS
Post by: steve2 on April 14, 2010, 07:47:33 AM
its actually because of all the extra attention/needs we have. usually flying with kids, kosher meals, extra hand luggage etc and not so much because of being obnoxious.

 that was my exact point.

Its the way they go about demanding these things ,Ok sometimes asking (rather than demand). I've seen familys with 3-4 kids also flying and no way do they come near what a reg Frum family does. Unfortunately there is an Attitude problem on the Frum peoples part, and at times yes the FAs as well
Title: Re: US AIRWAYS BUSINESS CLASS
Post by: damaxer91 on April 14, 2010, 10:34:34 AM
Do all US Airways flights to Tel Aviv have the new business class seats?

4/5 of them
Title: Re: US AIRWAYS BUSINESS CLASS
Post by: Yordai Dooma on April 20, 2010, 02:00:41 PM
i flew the US airways flight today from Israel to PHL.

We originally has 2 business class seats flying through Europe and were rebooked on US.

There was only one seat left in Envoy, so we took that and a coach seat.
When the flight departed, there was an extra seat in Envoy, but they would not let my wife sit there even though we paid for BIZ class originally. They said it was a revenue seat and she could not sit there because we paid with miles.

The seat- very comfortable, lies completely flat (much more comfortable than the LH airbus biz clas seats).

The crew- WOW! Have never had nastier service. I was wearing a baseball cap, but perhaps my sefira beard and the kosher meal gave it away). I was in Envoy and my wife was in coach with my son. The head flight attendant would not let my pregnant wife sit in business instead of me. When i tried to go back and help her, she got mad at me and told me i can only go back once. i ignored her and went back to help her every so often.

The food was airline food. Nothing special (better than the kosher lepesach meal i had the day after pesach in biz class on LH)

If i had a choice, i would take anything else other than US. I really despised the service and the way we were treated. There was one nice flight attendant out of the crew...
Title: Re: US AIRWAYS BUSINESS CLASS
Post by: Dan on April 20, 2010, 02:08:15 PM
i flew the US airways flight today from Israel to PHL.

We originally has 2 business class seats flying through Europe and were rebooked on US.

There was only one seat left in Envoy, so we took that and a coach seat.
When the flight departed, there was an extra seat in Envoy, but they would not let my wife sit there even though we paid for BIZ class originally. They said it was a revenue seat and she could not sit there because we paid with miles.

The seat- very comfortable, lies completely flat (much more comfortable than the LH airbus biz clas seats).

The crew- WOW! Have never had nastier service. I was wearing a baseball cap, but perhaps my sefira beard and the kosher meal gave it away). I was in Envoy and my wife was in coach with my son. The head flight attendant would not let my pregnant wife sit in business instead of me. When i tried to go back and help her, she got mad at me and told me i can only go back once. i ignored her and went back to help her every so often.

The food was airline food. Nothing special (better than the kosher lepesach meal i had the day after pesach in biz class on LH)

If i had a choice, i would take anything else other than US. I really despised the service and the way we were treated. There was one nice flight attendant out of the crew...
Exactly why I avoid US...I can't wait for CO to finish with their lie-flat installations!
Did you ask the gate agent before you boarded if there was an extra envoy seat?
Title: Re: US AIRWAYS BUSINESS CLASS
Post by: steve2 on April 20, 2010, 02:27:57 PM
i flew the US airways flight today from Israel to PHL.

We originally has 2 business class seats flying through Europe and were rebooked on US.

There was only one seat left in Envoy, so we took that and a coach seat.
When the flight departed, there was an extra seat in Envoy, but they would not let my wife sit there even though we paid for BIZ class originally. They said it was a revenue seat and she could not sit there because we paid with miles.

The seat- very comfortable, lies completely flat (much more comfortable than the LH airbus biz clas seats).

The crew- WOW! Have never had nastier service. I was wearing a baseball cap, but perhaps my sefira beard and the kosher meal gave it away). I was in Envoy and my wife was in coach with my son. The head flight attendant would not let my pregnant wife sit in business instead of me. When i tried to go back and help her, she got mad at me and told me i can only go back once. i ignored her and went back to help her every so often.

The food was airline food. Nothing special (better than the kosher lepesach meal i had the day after pesach in biz class on LH)

If i had a choice, i would take anything else other than US. I really despised the service and the way we were treated. There was one nice flight attendant out of the crew...

 I dont think there was anything she could have done if you wanted to switch with your wife. Of cause she would be 100% correct if she refused to allow you to walk up to Biz if you were in coach

 also if the GA didnt put you in Biz then the FAs can lose their job if they do w/o being told to do so by the GA. CO is no different when it comes to guarding their FC/BF cabins. It doesnt make a difference what your tkt is for the FAs arent empowered to change things.

also CO allows for 1 seat switch = you can start off in it and tell them your wife is gonna now sit there but once done you cant reswitch and  go back to it. Maybe US doesnt even allow for that, which is hard for me to believe
Title: Re: US AIRWAYS BUSINESS CLASS
Post by: Yordai Dooma on April 20, 2010, 03:00:56 PM
Exactly why I avoid US...I can't wait for CO to finish with their lie-flat installations!
Did you ask the gate agent before you boarded if there was an extra envoy seat?

Of course i did. The supervisor, a classic hard nosed israeli wanted me to pay him $700.00 even though she had a business class seat originally on our original itinerary. I asked if we could switch and her stay there permanently and was told she absolutely could not! Also, walking from coach to biz i understand....but from biz to coach??? of course you are allowed to do that...
Title: Re: US AIRWAYS BUSINESS CLASS
Post by: Dan on April 20, 2010, 04:07:09 PM
but from biz to coach??? of course you are allowed to do that...
+1, never had a problem on numerous CO flights walking from BusinessFirst to Coach or switching mid-flight with a coach passenger.
Title: Re: US AIRWAYS BUSINESS CLASS
Post by: steve2 on April 20, 2010, 05:11:59 PM
+1, never had a problem on numerous CO flights walking from BusinessFirst to Coach or switching mid-flight with a coach passenger.

 did they allow you to reswitch back? I know people who switched and when they wanted to switch back were Told Sorry we dont allow more then 1 switch. Nor do I Blame them for such a policy! CO that is
Title: Re: US AIRWAYS BUSINESS CLASS
Post by: Dan on April 20, 2010, 06:14:18 PM
did they allow you to reswitch back?
Didn't try.
Title: Re: US AIRWAYS BUSINESS CLASS
Post by: Yordai Dooma on April 20, 2010, 08:50:35 PM
We are furious at US airways. We used 230k United miles for business class seats, paid $116 in taxes for each of us and $585 in taxes for my son (under 2 -lap child). On the way to TLV, we got our business seats and had 2 amazing flights on LH. On the way back, we got 1 business class seat and terrible service. Should i be complaining to United or US?
Title: Re: US AIRWAYS BUSINESS CLASS
Post by: Dan on April 20, 2010, 08:54:59 PM
We are furious at US airways. We used 230k United miles for business class seats, paid $116 in taxes for each of us and $585 in taxes for my son (under 2 -lap child). On the way to TLV, we got our business seats and had 2 amazing flights on LH. On the way back, we got 1 business class seat and terrible service. Should i be complaining to United or US?
Both
Title: Re: US AIRWAYS BUSINESS CLASS
Post by: Yordai Dooma on April 20, 2010, 09:14:25 PM
Both

Who should i be expecting some sort of refund and/or compensation from? both?
Title: Re: US AIRWAYS BUSINESS CLASS
Post by: steve2 on April 20, 2010, 09:27:18 PM
Who should i be expecting some sort of refund and/or compensation from? both?

 

 US only owed you what ever UA booked you for, which it seems is 1 Envoy and 1 coach Compensation is only the differnce between what you paid for Biz r/t and 1 way Biz and 1 way Coach which is 20k,Since US didnt have 2 award seats available 95k is biz and coach on *A, also you are due a refund for the FRA taxes you paid for the way back since you didnt go to FRA, cant comment on a lap child since Im out of the loop on that.

 terrible service complain to US but I dont see them giving you anything, besides 1st find out what their policy is to see how far the FAs wronged you. UA has nothing to do with this since it wasnt a UA metal flight

 I dont blame you for grabbing whatever you were able to. Ive been following CO flights the past few days since the Vol issue and almost every single flight was completely full in both cabins, with the exception of its Shabbos flights.I imagine US was the same
Title: Re: US AIRWAYS BUSINESS CLASS
Post by: Yoel on May 01, 2010, 11:45:35 PM
Im flying to manchester uk with UA in business on a Airbus A330 next week, how do I know if it will have the lie flat seats?
Title: Re: US AIRWAYS BUSINESS CLASS
Post by: steve2 on May 02, 2010, 12:30:06 AM
Im flying to manchester uk with UA in business on a Airbus A330 next week, how do I know if it will have the lie flat seats?

 I highly doubt you are flying on UA as UA doesnt fly to MAN, nor does UA have any of the A-330s in its fleet

I do think you meant to say you are flying on US out of PHL

In that case the only lie  flat on the A-333 is Envoy Sleeper Class which is not Envoy Class which you most probabably are in = you will be in the old biz seats 165 degree recline. the lie-flats are on US A-330-200 planes
Title: Re: US AIRWAYS BUSINESS CLASS
Post by: Yoel on May 02, 2010, 11:02:03 AM
Correct, I am flying US Airways, thanx for the info.
Title: Re: US AIRWAYS BUSINESS CLASS
Post by: Yosel on May 04, 2010, 03:01:15 PM
i flew the US airways flight today from Israel to PHL.

We originally has 2 business class seats flying through Europe and were rebooked on US.

There was only one seat left in Envoy, so we took that and a coach seat.
When the flight departed, there was an extra seat in Envoy, but they would not let my wife sit there even though we paid for BIZ class originally. They said it was a revenue seat and she could not sit there because we paid with miles.

The seat- very comfortable, lies completely flat (much more comfortable than the LH airbus biz clas seats).

The crew- WOW! Have never had nastier service. I was wearing a baseball cap, but perhaps my sefira beard and the kosher meal gave it away). I was in Envoy and my wife was in coach with my son. The head flight attendant would not let my pregnant wife sit in business instead of me. When i tried to go back and help her, she got mad at me and told me i can only go back once. i ignored her and went back to help her every so often.

The food was airline food. Nothing special (better than the kosher lepesach meal i had the day after pesach in biz class on LH)

If i had a choice, i would take anything else other than US. I really despised the service and the way we were treated. There was one nice flight attendant out of the crew...
I just returned this morning from a round trip PHL to TLV in envoy class with the lie-flat seats it was an awesome experience on both legs.

No antisemitism or anything like that...... yes the kosher food was the usual non appetizing stuff.

Would do again
Title: Re: US AIRWAYS BUSINESS CLASS
Post by: Yordai Dooma on May 04, 2010, 05:31:49 PM
I just returned this morning from a round trip PHL to TLV in envoy class with the lie-flat seats it was an awesome experience on both legs.

No antisemitism or anything like that...... yes the kosher food was the usual non appetizing stuff.

Would do again

Apparently you didnt get our crew. lol. US airways is supposed to be calling me back in the next 2 days regarding compensation. We shall see...
Title: Re: US AIRWAYS BUSINESS CLASS
Post by: SuperFlyer on May 04, 2010, 05:40:43 PM
A tip for next time: let your wife + baby sit in envoy.

I as a steward wouldn't be impressed (pleased), to see the father enjoy himself while his wife is in cargo.
If you wife would sit in first with the baby, and the baby would nudge, and your wife would say that only her hubby can calm him, believe me you would be sitting in envoy.
Title: Re: US AIRWAYS BUSINESS CLASS
Post by: Yordai Dooma on May 04, 2010, 10:08:27 PM
A tip for next time: let your wife + baby sit in envoy.

I as a steward wouldn't be impressed (pleased), to see the father enjoy himself while his wife is in cargo.
If you wife would sit in first with the baby, and the baby would nudge, and your wife would say that only her hubby can calm him, believe me you would be sitting in envoy.

Here ill reemphasize what i wrote in my original post: "The head flight attendant would not let my pregnant wife sit in business instead of me." I tried everything. She would not let my wife sit there instead of me with or without the baby.
Title: Re: US AIRWAYS BUSINESS CLASS
Post by: Deal Guy on May 05, 2010, 01:57:37 AM
Here ill reemphasize what i wrote in my original post: "The head flight attendant would not let my pregnant wife sit in business instead of me." I tried everything. She would not let my wife sit there instead of me with or without the baby.

Would u plz explain the story. If you originally both had business, and somehow due to the volcano, only one of you had business, how did it come to be that you got it ticketed for you and not for her?
Title: Re: US AIRWAYS BUSINESS CLASS
Post by: Yordai Dooma on May 05, 2010, 09:45:28 AM
Would u plz explain the story. If you originally both had business, and somehow due to the volcano, only one of you had business, how did it come to be that you got it ticketed for you and not for her?

We were on two separate reservations flying on LX through ZUR and were re-ticketed on US through PHL. When they re-ticketed us they put me in envoy and her in coach with the baby hoping that another seat would open. I asked them to switch it and they said that either one of us would be able to sit in the envoy seat. When we got to TLV, they would not let us switch nor would the flight attendants let us switch.
Title: Re: US AIRWAYS BUSINESS CLASS
Post by: Alexsei on March 06, 2012, 12:06:57 PM
How about US airways for economy class YUL-PHL-TLV?
Title: Re: US AIRWAYS BUSINESS CLASS
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 06, 2012, 02:23:26 PM
How about US airways for economy class YUL-PHL-TLV?
I flew coach on PHL TLV route recently and it is better than CO or DL IMHO. Seats are wide and planes are generally empty. I believe the flight takes a bit longer than CO or DL, because they use a different plane.