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Title: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: LeeW on September 27, 2012, 05:44:28 PM
The Etrog merchant I bought my set from suggested I keep my hadasim and aravot in the fridge. However, my wife needs the space and complains they get in her way. Any one have any other ideas how to keep them fresh over Sukot?
Title: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: ShmuliT on September 27, 2012, 07:57:46 PM
Was once told its a problem to leave Arba Minim soaking in water for 24+ hrs due to "kovush kemevushel" they become posul.
Title: Re: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: Ergel on September 27, 2012, 11:06:23 PM
Was once told its a problem to leave Arba Minim soaking in water for 24+ hrs due to "kovush kemevushel" they become posul.
I've wondered about this for a long time. Who made this psak?
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: ahecht37 on September 28, 2012, 12:13:23 AM
make a poll
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: AsherO on September 28, 2012, 02:10:28 AM
Was once told its a problem to leave Arba Minim soaking in water for 24+ hrs due to "kovush kemevushel" they become posul.

Is a wet towel considered kovush? Would it matter if you use it the same time every day (so it wouldn't sit there for 24 hours)? (over Shabbos would still be an issue)
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: L'Chaim on September 28, 2012, 02:12:51 AM
Never had a problem, it lasts me till hoshana rabbe and then I use from the hoshanos.
Title: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: ShmuliT on September 28, 2012, 02:29:14 AM
I remember hearing it from a Rov a while ago.
It was davkah about soaking (not wrapped in a wet towel) and he mentioned it specifically with regards to shabbos where it for sure wont be removed/used for 24+ hrs.
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: LeeW on September 28, 2012, 01:48:07 PM
Was once told its a problem to leave Arba Minim soaking in water for 24+ hrs due to "kovush kemevushel" they become posul.

What is kovush kemevushel?
Title: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: ShmuliT on September 28, 2012, 02:26:38 PM
What is kovush kemevushel?
Something soaked for 24hrs is considered cooked.
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: LeeW on September 28, 2012, 02:46:24 PM
Something soaked for 24hrs is considered cooked.

Does this apply to simply placing hadasim and aravot in water as one would do to a flowers? Meaning not totally soaking in water?
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: yoshyosh on September 28, 2012, 03:36:40 PM
i keep them in the basement (a cool place) and they stay fine
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: Chaikel on September 30, 2012, 10:06:12 AM
Is a wet towel considered kovush? Would it matter if you use it the same time every day (so it wouldn't sit there for 24 hours)? (over Shabbos would still be an issue)
There needs to be a "pool" of liquid to be considered kovush. If there is a hefsek within the 24 hours, the clock restarts.
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: DH Data Recovery on September 30, 2012, 10:13:24 AM
I buy 2 sets of each - you can get them for really cheap.
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: chaimmayer on September 30, 2012, 10:26:12 AM
I buy 2 sets of each - you can get them for really cheap.
link?
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: mercaz1 on September 30, 2012, 10:38:36 AM
usually wrap in paper towel that is damp but not soaking
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: Yeki89 on September 30, 2012, 12:11:17 PM
i do wet/ damp towel covered in foil in the fridge
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: meshugener on September 30, 2012, 12:36:45 PM
+1
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: DH Data Recovery on September 30, 2012, 12:59:46 PM
link?
;D Pretty Much anywhere if you buy today
Title: Re: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: elikay on September 30, 2012, 02:03:06 PM
I buy 2 sets of each - you can get them for really cheap.
+1
And I bought these little plastic tubes to put water in.
Title: Re: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: SamDaMan on September 30, 2012, 02:27:13 PM
i do wet/ damp towel covered in foil in the fridge
+1 and never had any issues
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: Yeki89 on September 30, 2012, 03:46:53 PM
sometimes the last days of chol hamoed the aravos get withered..
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: kracked dude on September 30, 2012, 05:04:56 PM
Anybody have any experience using those mini plastic lulav holders meant for aravos-hadasim? Supposedly can keep in fridge and no damp towels needed
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: Moishebatchy on October 01, 2012, 09:10:18 PM
I wrap mine in a wet paper towel, then silver foil, then put it in the fridge.
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: harry on October 02, 2012, 05:46:25 AM
put them in a vase.

or:

wrap them in silver foil and spray them with water
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: A European on October 03, 2012, 10:23:06 AM
If someone reads Hebrew so read that http://m.ynet.co.il/Article.aspx?id=4287416
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: myi on October 03, 2019, 01:18:42 AM
Thread needs to be bumped in the coming week.. would love to hear people's take on this..
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: aygart on October 03, 2019, 08:04:06 AM
Thread needs to be bumped in the coming week.. would love to hear people's take on this..
+1
And I bought these little plastic tubes to put water in.
This. I have been doing this for years. Most years I do not need to buy new aravos but it depends on how the calendar falls out.
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: Shlomo1 on October 03, 2019, 11:37:28 AM
Mine never seem to last throughout Chol Hamoed
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: ExGingi on October 03, 2019, 11:45:02 AM
IME if Arovos are surrounded by many (36) Haddasim and put back into the plastic Lulav bag, it will keep everything airtight enough so that they stay fresh enough until Hoshana Rabba.
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: Yehudaa on October 03, 2019, 12:09:39 PM
IME if Arovos are surrounded by many (36) Haddasim and put back into the plastic Lulav bag, it will keep everything airtight enough so that they stay fresh enough until Hoshana Rabba.

Why would one have 36 Haddasim?
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: grodnoking on October 03, 2019, 12:09:49 PM
I wrap mine in a wet paper towel, then silver foil, then put it in the fridge.
This. Works every year. Even with the garbage Israeli ones.
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: aygart on October 03, 2019, 12:10:56 PM
This. Works every year. Even with the garbage Israeli ones.
How do you fit your whol lulav into the fridge?
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: ushdadude on October 03, 2019, 12:14:33 PM
i just buy new when they look bad
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: grodnoking on October 03, 2019, 12:16:35 PM
How do you fit your whol lulav into the fridge?
My aravos and hadasim are in a holder. So I slide that off and wrap that up.
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: Dan on October 03, 2019, 12:27:38 PM
IME if Arovos are surrounded by many (36) Haddasim and put back into the plastic Lulav bag, it will keep everything airtight enough so that they stay fresh enough until Hoshana Rabba.
+1
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: stooges44 on October 03, 2019, 12:28:24 PM
My aravos and hadasim are in a holder. So I slide that off and wrap that up.

Same and I always wonder why this isn't the practice of the masses
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: grodnoking on October 03, 2019, 12:30:37 PM
Same and I always wonder why this isn't the practice of the masses
Laziness?
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: aygart on October 03, 2019, 12:32:05 PM
My aravos and hadasim are in a holder. So I slide that off and wrap that up.
Same and I always wonder why this isn't the practice of the masses
See MB 654:5
http://beta.hebrewbooks.org/reader/reader.aspx?sfid=14166#p=255&fitMode=fitwidth&hlts=&ocr= (http://beta.hebrewbooks.org/reader/reader.aspx?sfid=14166#p=255&fitMode=fitwidth&hlts=&ocr=)
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: rs242 on October 03, 2019, 01:07:15 PM
I put a dot of water in the plastic lulav bag it comes with, they stay green till after holiday.
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: Shlomo1 on October 03, 2019, 01:15:29 PM
Same and I always wonder why this isn't the practice of the masses
Then the holder gets moldy from the moisture of the papertowel
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: yitzgar on October 03, 2019, 01:23:04 PM
See MB 654:5
http://beta.hebrewbooks.org/reader/reader.aspx?sfid=14166#p=255&fitMode=fitwidth&hlts=&ocr= (http://beta.hebrewbooks.org/reader/reader.aspx?sfid=14166#p=255&fitMode=fitwidth&hlts=&ocr=)
So tie the holder to the lulav with a knot
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: yitzgar on October 03, 2019, 01:23:37 PM
Then the holder gets moldy from the moisture of the papertowel
Keep that part of the paper towel dry
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: stooges44 on October 03, 2019, 01:39:03 PM
Keep that part of the paper towel dry

Exactly
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: aygart on October 03, 2019, 02:48:57 PM
So tie the holder to the lulav with a knot
Can you slip them apart and back together or not?
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: yitzgar on October 03, 2019, 02:57:03 PM
Can you slip them apart and back together or not?
Untie the knot, slide off the holder
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: aygart on October 03, 2019, 03:00:33 PM
Untie the knot, slide off the holder
Can't do that on YT
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: yitzgar on October 03, 2019, 03:37:39 PM
Can't do that on YT
True, was talking about c"h. Only real issue is on 3 day y"t. But then I just leave it in damp paper towel out of fridge in basement. (Cool) just make sure not too wet or lulav will get moldy
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: justaregularguy on October 03, 2019, 07:12:48 PM
I wrap mine in a wet paper towel, then silver foil, then put it in the fridge.
exactly.
My aravos and hadasim are in a holder. So I slide that off and wrap that up.
exactly.
Then the holder gets moldy from the moisture of the papertowel
Keep that part of the paper towel dry
or just wrap the top part and leave the holder exposed.
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: aygart on October 03, 2019, 07:52:27 PM
exactly.exactly.or just wrap the top part and leave the holder exposed.
Then the leaves get moldy
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: moko on October 03, 2019, 08:24:05 PM
I put a dot of water in the plastic lulav bag it comes with, they stay green till after holiday.
+100. I put about 1oz
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: Yard sale on October 03, 2019, 08:54:32 PM
+100. I put about 1oz

You just pour it into the bottom of the bag or try to spread it around?
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: yitzgar on October 03, 2019, 10:07:15 PM
Then the leaves get moldy
Just the right amount of dampness is key
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: moko on October 03, 2019, 11:19:08 PM
You just pour it into the bottom of the bag or try to spread it around?
just pour into the bag
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: skyguy918 on October 20, 2019, 12:08:18 PM
Related question. Anyone have a good method for keeping hadasim fresh for as long as possible to use for havdala besamim?
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: yoshyosh on October 20, 2019, 12:18:51 PM
Related question. Anyone have a good method for keeping hadasim fresh for as long as possible to use for havdala besamim?
Not quite keeping it alive but putting the leaves into oil will keep the smell fresh for years. (especially if you follow prep directions similar to this https://articles.mercola.com/herbal-oils/myrtle-oil.aspx) 
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: aygart on October 20, 2019, 12:45:22 PM
I came figure out why some people who spend a lot of money on their lulav and esrog would be unwilling to spend the $5 to have nice arovos for the whole sukkos.
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: skyguy918 on October 20, 2019, 01:02:57 PM
I came figure out why some people who spend a lot of money on their lulav and esrog would be unwilling to spend the $5 to have nice arovos for the whole sukkos.
+1. Though my father and my neighbor both have aravos growing that they let me take from, so I have fresh aravos for free in the only 2 places I ever really spend YT.
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: Moshe123 on October 20, 2019, 02:32:39 PM
I wrap mine in a wet paper towel, then silver foil, then put it in the fridge.

Was mekabel this from my father. Works perfectly.
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: Mordyk on October 20, 2019, 02:46:42 PM
Then the leaves get moldy
Every year I have the mold issue.  Can never figure out the right amount of dampness :(
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: herb on October 20, 2019, 04:21:29 PM
Related question. Anyone have a good method for keeping hadasim fresh for as long as possible to use for havdala besamim?
no need to keep fresh. Every yr i take off the leaves and stick them in container, with a little crunching before sniffing they smell great!
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: moko on October 20, 2019, 04:21:48 PM
I came figure out why some people who spend a lot of money on their lulav and esrog would be unwilling to spend the $5 to have nice arovos for the whole sukkos.
in some places it's a question of availability. Where I live there aren't aravos in shul every morning.
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: skyguy918 on October 20, 2019, 05:08:07 PM
Not quite keeping it alive but putting the leaves into oil will keep the smell fresh for years. (especially if you follow prep directions similar to this https://articles.mercola.com/herbal-oils/myrtle-oil.aspx) 
no need to keep fresh. Every yr i take off the leaves and stick them in container, with a little crunching before sniffing they smell great!
So is it only the leaves that contain the fragrance? I feel like when I smell it now fresh, I pick up the scent more from the stem than the leaves.
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: herb on October 20, 2019, 05:58:11 PM
So is it only the leaves that contain the fragrance? I feel like when I smell it now fresh, I pick up the scent more from the stem than the leaves.
think so though im no florist
Title: Re: How do you keep your aravos and hadasim fresh over Sukot?
Post by: aygart on October 22, 2019, 09:01:15 PM
in some places it's a question of availability. Where I live there aren't aravos in shul every morning.
Then this would not apply to you