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Title: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on October 24, 2012, 08:47:58 PM
Time to renew student visa...problem is that my US passport expires on 1/2014 and student visas are for three years...

apparently, on the nefesh b'nefesh website, it says your passport has to be valid for at least 6 months after the expiration of your visa...

is this the case?

must i renew my passport before going to misrad hapnim? will the us consulate allow me to renew it if there is 14 months left on it?

help...tia!
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Questions
Post by: moish on October 24, 2012, 08:49:26 PM
im pretty sure theyll renew until expiration date
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Questions
Post by: YudiG on October 24, 2012, 08:58:43 PM
im pretty sure theyll renew until expiration date

what happens though when i get a new us passport...will i need to apply for a new student visa or will they just transfer it?
Title: Re: Re: Misrad Hapnim Questions
Post by: creditor on October 24, 2012, 09:15:20 PM
im pretty sure theyll renew until expiration date
+1
IME they won't transfer [HUCA doesn't really help on that country]
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Questions
Post by: YudiG on October 24, 2012, 09:20:37 PM
+1
IME they won't transfer [HUCA doesn't really help on that country]

thing is you cant travel on a us passport once it only has 6 months left...and there is no point of getting a student visa if i will have to get a new one in 6 months...

this leads to the question...until i get my new us passport and subsequent student visa, i have no legal status in israel and bituach luemi will cancel my coverage...what do i do in the interim to prevent this if anything?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Questions
Post by: ashers on October 24, 2012, 09:21:51 PM
you WILL need to renew
just make sure to renew on time and you wont have issues with bituach leumi
speaking from experience I am now over 20 years on a student visa :)
Title: Re: Re: Misrad Hapnim Questions
Post by: creditor on October 24, 2012, 09:27:27 PM
thing is you cant travel on a us passport once it only has 6 months left...and there is no point of getting a student visa if i will have to get a new one in 6 months...

this leads to the question...until i get my new us passport and subsequent student visa, i have no legal status in israel and bituach luemi will cancel my coverage...what do i do in the interim to prevent this if anything?
I'm not getting ya.
call/fax MH to make an appointment for a student visa. probably ull get apptmnt in a month.try to work out your appointment to us consulate aprox 2/3 weeks before the MH apptmnt so soon after your renewed passport ull get your visa.
bituach leumi doesn't cancel right away
#nobrainer
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Questions
Post by: YudiG on October 24, 2012, 09:29:30 PM
you WILL need to renew
just make sure to renew on time and you wont have issues with bituach leumi
speaking from experience I am now over 20 years on a student visa :)

problem is that my student visa expires on 11/3/11 and i cant see getting a new us passport before than unless there is an expedited service...any advice?

BL has apparently linked systems and actually mailed a letter saying they will cancel it unless they hear from me that they have renewed the visa...?

dont you have to go down to get an appt these days?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Questions
Post by: ashers on October 24, 2012, 09:33:28 PM
You can either go to the consulate and ask for it to be expedited which is very easy these days or you can just wait and get a new one and then go to BL with the letter that they sent you about cancelling it, make a copy of the new passport + new student visa and they will reinstate it retro
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Questions
Post by: YudiG on October 24, 2012, 09:38:32 PM
You can either go to the consulate and ask for it to be expedited which is very easy these days or you can just wait and get a new one and then go to BL with the letter that they sent you about cancelling it, make a copy of the new passport + new student visa and they will reinstate it retro


sounds like i will get new us passport and ask them to rush it so i can go to misrad hapnim on 11/11 for visa in the new passport...does  one technically have health insurance coverage such as meuchedet if they do get bounced of BL for a few days until it's reinstated?
Title: Re: Re: Misrad Hapnim Questions
Post by: creditor on October 24, 2012, 09:46:54 PM
sounds like i will get new us passport and ask them to rush it so i can go to misrad hapnim on 11/11 for visa in the new passport...does  one technically have health insurance coverage such as meuchedet if they do get bounced of BL for a few days until it's reinstated?
definitely yes! meuchadet takes way longer to follow then bituach leumi
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Questions
Post by: YudiG on October 24, 2012, 09:53:14 PM
definitely yes! meuchadet takes way longer to follow then bituach leumi

thanks! if BL cancels but not Muechedet, what is the ramification anyhow hospital coverage which you'd get back retroactively when you get back on BL?

as there is about 13 days in between my us passport appt and misrad hapnim appt, if i get it expedited all should work out...i emailed the consulate in advance with my request/story just to see if they could do anything...thanks everyone!
Title: Re: Re: Misrad Hapnim Questions
Post by: creditor on October 24, 2012, 09:59:16 PM
thanks! if BL cancels but not Muechedet, what is the ramification anyhow hospital coverage which you'd get back retroactively when you get back on BL?

as there is about 13 days in between my us passport appt and misrad hapnim appt, if i get it expedited all should work out...i emailed the consulate in advance with my request/story just to see if they could do anything...thanks everyone!
no ramifications they'll retro anyway. ease up man
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Questions
Post by: YudiG on October 24, 2012, 09:59:48 PM
no ramifications they'll retro anyway. ease up man

thanks!
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Questions
Post by: creditor on October 24, 2012, 10:01:56 PM
in a side note: how about you [if you can] or mods, edit title to misrad hapnim master thread and merge in the old lengthy discussions on these topics. ? I thing its time for it+ it'l reduce rubble+be helpful for members
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on October 24, 2012, 10:04:39 PM
in a side note: how about you [if you can] or mods, edit title to misrad hapnim master thread and merge in the old lengthy discussions on these topics. ? I thing its time for it+ it'l reduce rubble+be helpful for members

did my part
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: A European on October 24, 2012, 10:32:48 PM
Time to renew student visa...problem is that my US passport expires on 1/2014 and student visas are for three years...

apparently, on the nefesh b'nefesh website, it says your passport has to be valid for at least 6 months after the expiration of your visa...

is this the case?

must i renew my passport before going to misrad hapnim? will the us consulate allow me to renew it if there is 14 months left on it?

help...tia!
Never did a visa !
Title: Re: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: creditor on October 24, 2012, 10:37:37 PM
Never did a visa !
I wud just write "I am not covered in case cha"vsh. unless you have private insurance
Title: Re: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: A European on October 24, 2012, 10:41:06 PM
I wud just write "I am not covered in case cha"vsh. unless you have private insurance
The yeshiva I learned in as a bochur made us a private insurance SHILOACH.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on October 24, 2012, 10:43:20 PM
The yeshiva I learned in as a bochur made us a private insurance SHILOACH.

when you're married you generally need BL unless you have $$$ to burn on private hospital care/ insurance coverage
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: A European on October 24, 2012, 10:45:00 PM
when you're married you generally need BL unless you have $$$ to burn on private hospital care/ insurance coverage
Never did a visa !

Did I say you did something wrong?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on October 25, 2012, 07:45:41 AM
I just got retro Kitzvat Yeladim from my visa being expired for about 3 months
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on October 25, 2012, 11:50:07 AM
they can retro up to 12 months ime
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on October 27, 2012, 01:06:13 PM
this jumping between threads is unnecessary
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=19939.msg324172#msg324172
the answer has already been posted in your previous thread.
Visas are free for about two years already.

fixed
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: mmermss on October 27, 2012, 01:27:43 PM
they can retro up to 12 months ime

I got 12 months worth
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 19, 2012, 06:29:22 AM
Any tips for getting an appointment? Even waiting on hold seems to be useless...
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 19, 2012, 06:41:15 AM
Any tips for getting an appointment? Even waiting on hold seems to be useless...
fax or go in person
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 19, 2012, 06:53:42 AM
fax or go in person

The fax thingie actually works? I always pictured some fat Israeli woman smoking a cigarette pulling the paper out of the machine, giving an evil cackle, and the submitting it for "processing"... to the shredder. :o
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: rots5 on December 19, 2012, 06:55:37 AM
The fax thingie actually works? I always pictured some fat Israeli woman smoking a cigarette pulling the paper out of the machine, giving an evil cackle, and the submitting it for "processing"... to the shredder. :o

what do u need i have a guy here 200 shejk and gets the visa with in 3 days!
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 19, 2012, 06:57:18 AM
The fax thingie actually works? I always pictured some fat Israeli woman smoking a cigarette pulling the paper out of the machine, giving an evil cackle, and the submitting it for "processing"... to the shredder. :o
it works, they call you back
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 19, 2012, 06:57:57 AM
what do u need i have a guy here 200 shejk and gets the visa with in 3 days!
who?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 19, 2012, 07:00:32 AM
what do u need i have a guy here 200 shejk and gets the visa with in 3 days!

Who, Dagan?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 19, 2012, 07:01:48 AM
it works, they call you back

What do I write? "My name is Moishebatchy, I want to make an appointment for two visas, please call me at 02-6256252" and that's it? Or something more?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: ashers on December 19, 2012, 07:03:02 AM
Go in person, It always works and if you insist you need to get it done today , you might have to wait but you will get it done.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 19, 2012, 07:08:13 AM
What do I write? "My name is Moishebatchy, I want to make an appointment for two visas, please call me at 02-6256252" and that's it? Or something more?
i think so, look in newcomers guide to be sure
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 19, 2012, 07:10:43 AM
i think so, look in newcomers guide to be sure

They don't give any useful details. Just "fax them and they will call you."
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 19, 2012, 07:12:12 AM
Go in person, It always works and if you insist you need to get it done today , you might have to wait but you will get it done.

Wow. Who am I "insisting" to? Which desk?

Also, does my wife have to come for a visa, or can I go alone and bring her paperwork?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Red on December 19, 2012, 07:15:46 AM
Wow. Who am I "insisting" to? Which desk?

Also, does my wife have to come for a visa, or can I go alone and bring her paperwork?
The visa department is now on the second floor with it's own dedicated front desk.

IIRC you can go down for her.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: mmermss on December 19, 2012, 07:24:06 AM
IIRC you can go down for her.
+1
But you really never know with this country...could change by the minute.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: rots5 on December 19, 2012, 08:05:43 AM
his name is mier goodman call him he does trhis for a side job its so worth it! 0506465995 u can say u got the number from me
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on December 19, 2012, 08:14:41 AM
his name is mier goodman call him he does trhis for a side job its so worth it! 0506465995 u can say u got the number from me
He also goes down to misrad hapnim?? (and does it include the fee of outgoing and coming back of 150 NIS)
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 19, 2012, 08:16:54 AM
He also goes down to misrad hapnim??

+1?

(and does it include the fee of outgoing and coming back of 150 NIS)

Huh?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on December 19, 2012, 08:20:25 AM
Dont know how its called but last time i was there to make a visa they gave me 2 stickers  1. the visa 2. like an íshur´to leave and come back israel within the visa!!! (and they took 150NIS , as i remember) never had it?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: rots5 on December 19, 2012, 08:22:44 AM
He also goes down to misrad hapnim?? (and does it include the fee of outgoing and coming back of 150 NIS)

U give him all ur info and papers and passports and what not and 200₪ later ur good to go
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 19, 2012, 08:22:53 AM
Dont know how its called but last time i was there to make a visa they gave me 2 stickers  1. the visa 2. like an íshur´to leave and come back israel within the visa!!! (and they took 150NIS , as i remember) never had it?

Oh. That. It's called a "multi-entry visa".
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 19, 2012, 08:23:18 AM
U give him all ur info and papers and passports and what not and 200₪ later ur good to go

Sounds too good to be true... :)

Any guarantee?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: rots5 on December 19, 2012, 08:25:23 AM
Sounds too good to be true... :)

Any guarantee?

I did it. And he has a hookup in the Misrad.  Promise. I did it :-)
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 19, 2012, 08:28:05 AM
I did it. And he has a hookup in the Misrad.  Promise. I did it :-)

LOL, by "guarantee" I meant that if he fails, do I get my money back. ;)
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: U-no-me! on December 19, 2012, 08:29:33 AM
I did it. And he has a hookup in the Misrad.  Promise. I did it :-)

 :o
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: rots5 on December 19, 2012, 08:32:02 AM
LOL, by "guarantee" I meant that if he fails, do I get my money back. ;)

its garanteed  it gets done!   

and hookup is just a guy that in the inside that speeds it up the process
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 19, 2012, 08:35:59 AM
its garanteed  it gets done!   

and hookup is just a guy that in the inside that speeds it up the process

Does this guy schprechen Angleet? Or only Ivris?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: rots5 on December 19, 2012, 08:49:14 AM
Does this guy schprechen Angleet? Or only Ivris?
mier?! hes the man  hes american and speaks fluent english! hes single and he dont bite :-) ui trist him i know him for yrs! :-) he just has connections  as i always say its not what u know its all about who u know!
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 19, 2012, 08:52:18 AM
mier?! hes the man  hes american and speaks fluent english! hes single and he dont bite :-) ui trist him i know him for yrs! :-) he just has connections  as i always say its not what u know its all about who u know!

Todah. :)
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on December 19, 2012, 08:57:00 AM
Does he get u the  multi-entry visa too? in this price?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: rots5 on December 19, 2012, 08:58:06 AM
Does he get u the  multi-entry visa too? in this price?
yes  i have a 3 yr visa and so does my son!
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on December 19, 2012, 09:02:41 AM
yes  i have a 3 yr visa and so does my son!
Well just to make sure, a 3 year visa does not mean that it is a multi-entry visa??
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on December 19, 2012, 09:04:00 AM
Oh. That. It's called a "multi-entry visa".
there is no charge anymore for multi entries.
@MB, you sound like a toiglech person. go down there personally and try the best what you can. and in worst case make an appointment there.
ive always been successful takes some haggling and babe meisos.
I also know some woman there who does everything for me, each time with 3 minutes of moaning first, but end up doing it.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 19, 2012, 09:07:45 AM
Well just to make sure, a 3 year visa does not mean that it is a multi-entry visa??

Student visa ≠ entry visa.

Technically, every visa expires as soon as you leave the country. That's why if you come for a week and they give you a stamp that says "VALID 3 MONTHS", and you come back a month later, you will get a new stamp - the old one becomes invalid once you leave.

Same thing with a student visa - technically, it is cancelled when you leave the country, even if the expiration date is more than two years from now. What the second sticker does, is give you permission to come and go as you please without invalidating the first sticker.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on December 19, 2012, 09:10:54 AM
Student visa ≠ entry visa.

Technically, every visa expires as soon as you leave the country. That's why if you come for a week and they give you a stamp that says "VALID 3 MONTHS", and you come back a month later, you will get a new stamp - the old one becomes invalid once you leave.

Same thing with a student visa - technically, it is cancelled when you leave the country, even if the expiration date is more than two years from now. What the second sticker does, is give you permission to come and go as you please without invalidating the first sticker.
Nicely said! so im  asking if he gets me both stickers for this price? :)
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 19, 2012, 09:11:08 AM
@MB, you sound like a toiglech person.

Thanks. 8)

go down there personally and try the best what you can. and in worst case make an appointment there.

Problem is... I need it done before the end of the year, if possible, and can't afford to take too many mornings off. I already need to take off for Arnona - if I go to the misrad hapnim and fail, and end up scheduling an appointment, then I have to waste a third morning with this BS. If I pay this Meir character to do it for me, then all I have to deal with is Arnona.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 19, 2012, 09:12:39 AM
Problem is... I need it done before the end of the year, if possible, and can't afford to take too many mornings off. I already need to take off for Arnona - if I go to the misrad hapnim and fail, and end up scheduling an appointment, then I have to waste a third morning with this BS. If I pay this Meir character to do it for me, then all I have to deal with is Arnona.
you can fax (possibly email) the arnona
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 19, 2012, 09:12:51 AM
Nicely said! so im  asking if he gets me both stickers for this price? :)

Can't imagine why he wouldn't...
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on December 19, 2012, 09:14:12 AM
you can fax (possibly email) the arnona
Do u know more details on it?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 19, 2012, 09:14:55 AM
you can fax (possibly email) the arnona

We have 12 days left for 2012, and not all of them are even "business days". If for whatever reason they reject it, by the time they get back to me, I'm screwed. If I go in person and they have a problem, I can haggle with them on the spot, or at worst fix the problem and come back within a day or two.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on December 19, 2012, 09:17:58 AM
We have 12 days left for 2012, and not all of them are even "business days". If for whatever reason they reject it, by the time they get back to me, I'm screwed. If I go in person and they have a problem, I can haggle with them on the spot, or at worst fix the problem and come back within a day or two.
+1 and im sure ur not the only 1 trying to chap arein last min ;) so its real bz the there so i would go down better then snding fax/mail
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 19, 2012, 09:19:06 AM
im sure ur not the only 1 trying to chap arein last min ;)

Another good point.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: mmermss on December 19, 2012, 09:19:34 AM
We have 12 days left for 2012, and not all of them are even "business days". If for whatever reason they reject it, by the time they get back to me, I'm screwed. If I go in person and they have a problem, I can haggle with them on the spot, or at worst fix the problem and come back within a day or two.
I went once at this time of the year...must've been ~200 people waiting in the room...GL  ;D
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on December 19, 2012, 09:20:37 AM
I went once at this time of the year...must've been ~200 people waiting in the room...GL  ;D
but still more sure ur spot then snding in info
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: rots5 on December 19, 2012, 09:21:58 AM
Just call Mier he'll tell u he truth. 
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 19, 2012, 09:24:46 AM
Just call Mier he'll tell u he truth.

Truth about what?

BTW, his name seems to be spelled "Meir". I base that statement on the fact that his voicemail says "if you want to speak to me, please email me at meirgoodman at gmail dot com".
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: rots5 on December 19, 2012, 09:30:35 AM
Truth about what?

BTW, his name seems to be spelled "Meir". I base that statement on the fact that his voicemail says "if you want to speak to me, please email me at meirgoodman at gmail dot com".
truth about the different visas.  And haha.  Funny about his email. Im bad with spelling names.  U know i have 2 e's at the end mine
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 19, 2012, 09:31:33 AM
truth about the different visas.  And haha.  Funny about his email. Im bad with spelling names.  U know i have 2 e's at the end mine

Can't honestly say I ever understood that. ;D
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 19, 2012, 09:40:32 AM
We have 12 days left for 2012, and not all of them are even "business days". If for whatever reason they reject it, by the time they get back to me, I'm screwed. If I go in person and they have a problem, I can haggle with them on the spot, or at worst fix the problem and come back within a day or two.
in years past they just took the papers and sent you home, they didnt process it on the spot
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 19, 2012, 09:50:05 AM
in years past they just took the papers and sent you home, they didnt process it on the spot

IME they've done it on the spot.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: rots5 on December 19, 2012, 10:14:40 AM
IME they've done it on the spot.

Yes they do it on the spot and i just saw goodman he said multi entry   But working is a bit more complicated
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 19, 2012, 10:19:27 AM
IME they've done it on the spot.
true, they have, but sometimes not
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: mmermss on December 19, 2012, 10:20:34 AM
IME they've done it on the spot.
When its empty there they can do it on the spot. When its the end of year like now usually give it to them and they'll mail it back to you.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 19, 2012, 10:24:25 AM
When its empty there they can do it on the spot. When its the end of year like now usually give it to them and they'll mail it back to you.
exactly, so why go in if u can fax or email?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on December 19, 2012, 10:33:12 AM
Was there last week in afternoon, packed house.
They went around saying that everyone should leave over the papers because, they will anyways not process it on the spot.
I obviously ignored and the lady did it for me no prob on the spot.
Though Im sure many of the other clerks did refuse.
In other words, this time of they year dont risk it, go down yourself.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: mmermss on December 19, 2012, 10:34:54 AM
exactly, so why go in if u can fax or email?
+1
Unless you want to wait a few hours online..the options are driving there and dropping it off and hoping you got everything or email or fax it and get results. Or third option is to speak to this Meir guy.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 19, 2012, 10:37:30 AM
is there any way to see if it worked? a number to call?

i emailed it dec 2 but have yet to receive a response
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 19, 2012, 10:38:20 AM
Or third option is to speak to this Meir guy.

He does Arnona, too?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on December 19, 2012, 10:42:37 AM
is there any way to see if it worked? a number to call?

i emailed it dec 2 but have yet to receive a response
a friend sent them by fax two weeks ago, they kept on telling him on the phone its betipul, he went down the other day got it all sorted.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 19, 2012, 10:47:05 AM
is there any way to see if it worked? a number to call?

i emailed it dec 2 but have yet to receive a response

And that, my friend, is precisely why I'd rather do it in person.

Besides, another thing... the Arnona has to be paid by the end of the year. So even if they mail you the post-hanacha paperwork, it may not arrive in time...
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: elikay on December 19, 2012, 10:49:36 AM
Where did they move? To where the gun permits used to be (2nd floor)?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: mmermss on December 19, 2012, 10:50:59 AM
He does Arnona, too?
LOL...This thread is getting confusing...
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: mmermss on December 19, 2012, 10:53:23 AM
Besides, another thing... the Arnona has to be paid by the end of the year. So even if they mail you the post-hanacha paperwork, it may not arrive in time...
-100,000
Where did you get that info from?
I have paid Arnona many times after the end of the year...but again it could be they changed their rule this year...
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 19, 2012, 11:38:02 AM
-100,000
Where did you get that info from?
I have paid Arnona many times after the end of the year...but again it could be they changed their rule this year...

Whoa.

Minus a hundred thousand? :o

I've been told in the past by various people that if you don't pay by year's end, you could be SOL. Some even said you could pay interest, or lose your hanacha.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: mmermss on December 19, 2012, 11:46:07 AM
Whoa.

Minus a hundred thousand? :o

I've been told in the past by various people that if you don't pay by year's end, you could be SOL. Some even said you could pay interest, or lose your hanacha.
Sorry for the minus hundred thousand  :P

I've paid after with no problem...maybe a few nis interest.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 19, 2012, 12:29:02 PM
I spoke to Meir...

1) He doesn't guarantee 3 days; he says it can take two weeks.

2) The 200 NIS is per person; me and my wife is 400 NIS.

3) You're only paying him, as Misrad Hapnim no longer charges any fees at all for a visa.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on December 19, 2012, 12:42:09 PM
I spoke to Meir...

1) He doesn't guarantee 3 days; he says it can take two weeks.

2) The 200 NIS is per person; me and my wife is 400 NIS.

3) You're only paying him, as Misrad Hapnim no longer charges any fees at all for a visa.

Thoughts?
Did u ask him about the multi entry visa?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 19, 2012, 12:43:36 PM
Did u ask him about the multi entry visa?

i just saw goodman he said multi entry   But working is a bit more complicated
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on December 19, 2012, 12:48:54 PM

if you want a regular not working multi entry visa its not a problem.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: rots5 on December 19, 2012, 12:53:45 PM
Did u ask him about the multi entry visa?

He guarantees it before jan 1 that's 2 weeks
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Red on December 19, 2012, 01:17:28 PM
Where did they move? To where the gun permits used to be (2nd floor)?
yes
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Red on December 19, 2012, 01:19:50 PM
This thread got a little confusing with the bouncing back and forth between Misrad Hapnim and the Iriya.  :-\

Just a heads up, at the Iriya a letter from yeshiva about your learning and income status is no longer accepted, it now has to come from a dayan.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 19, 2012, 01:26:27 PM
This thread got a little confusing with the bouncing back and forth between Misrad Hapnim and the Iriya.  :-\

Just a heads up, at the Iriya a letter from yeshiva about your learning and income status is no longer accepted, it now has to come from a dayan.
you always needed a letter from a rabbi besides from the yeshiva
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: mmermss on December 19, 2012, 01:39:41 PM

Just a heads up, at the Iriya a letter from yeshiva about your learning and income status is no longer accepted, it now has to come from a dayan.
And if you dont want to go to the Mir to get a letter for free theres a guy who does it around corner from the Iriya for ~45 nis
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: andrew on December 19, 2012, 02:06:35 PM
Any tips for getting an appointment? Even waiting on hold seems to be useless...
many ppl i know have used this guy and were very sattisfied, got done for one person i know in 24 hr
His number 0772018402 call only by day and just tell himw what you need done.( he gets complicated things done too!)
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: rots5 on December 19, 2012, 02:10:17 PM
many ppl i know have used this guy and were very sattisfied, got done for one person i know in 24 hr
His number 0772018402 call only by day and just tell himw what you need done.( he gets complicated things done too!)

is that dagan?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Red on December 19, 2012, 02:20:20 PM
you always needed a letter from a rabbi besides from the yeshiva
-1
I've been doing it for a few years with just a letter from yeshiva.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on December 19, 2012, 02:26:17 PM
-1
I've been doing it for a few years with just a letter from yeshiva.
extremely interesting.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: andrew on December 19, 2012, 02:27:26 PM
is that dagan?
not dagan not lender, dont know his name, i just got the number. Hes pretty cheap,
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: rots5 on December 19, 2012, 02:37:20 PM
Thanks my wife needs her visa switched to an a4א  working. Thanks. Will call tom
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on December 19, 2012, 02:40:39 PM
Thanks my wife needs her visa switched to an a4א  working. Thanks. Will call tom
if its not needed in next 3 weeks, why not DIY?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: andrew on December 19, 2012, 02:45:42 PM
is there any way to see if it worked? a number to call?

i emailed it dec 2 but have yet to receive a response
call 026296333 press 1 then 1 then wait for a rep and tell them ur arnona acct number they will be able to update u, and if the hanacha went thru you could pay on the spot with them
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: rots5 on December 19, 2012, 02:56:32 PM
if its not needed in next 3 weeks, why not DIY?
Bec she needed it apparently on Sunday already.  Oops.  :P :P
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on December 19, 2012, 04:01:42 PM
many ppl i know have used this guy and were very sattisfied, got done for one person i know in 24 hr
His number 0772018402 call only by day and just tell himw what you need done.( he gets complicated things done too!)
his name is mier goodman call him he does trhis for a side job its so worth it! 0506465995 u can say u got the number from me
im a bit confused!! are this 2 the same guy ???
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: rots5 on December 19, 2012, 04:02:44 PM
im a bit confused!! are this 2 the same guy ???

What?!?  If there diff numbers. Obviously there diff. :-))
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on December 19, 2012, 04:06:34 PM
What?!?  If there diff numbers. Obviously there diff. :-))
Didnt think of it, well i think today days most people have a house number+ cell
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: rots5 on December 19, 2012, 04:17:29 PM
Didnt think of it, well i think today days most people have a house number+ cell

I think that was ten yrs ago.  Now. A days here in the aretz only cell phones :-))   U know in just playin whitchu
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on December 19, 2012, 04:23:13 PM
YE ;D
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on December 19, 2012, 04:57:36 PM
I don't think there even is Multi-Entry Student Visas anymore
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on December 19, 2012, 05:01:15 PM
I don't think there even is Multi-Entry Student Visas anymore
there is, and they will tell you that you need it.
But I never had one and nobody ever told me anything about it. A waste of a passport page.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 20, 2012, 03:50:35 AM
there is, and they will tell you that you need it.
But I never had one and nobody ever told me anything about it. A waste of a passport page.
in ben gurion youd usually be right, but at other border crossings they will cancel the student visa if you dont have a multi entry
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 20, 2012, 03:51:46 AM
call 026296333 press 1 then 1 then wait for a rep and tell them ur arnona acct number they will be able to update u, and if the hanacha went thru you could pay on the spot with them
yup, did it this morning.
emailed dec 2, no response, i called this morning to see what my bill was and the new total reflected the hanacha, paid with credit card

easy as pie
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 20, 2012, 03:53:20 AM
-1
I've been doing it for a few years with just a letter from yeshiva.
depends which yeshiva. some yeshivas have the same qualification that the rav has so they put everything on the same page, but for most yeshivos you need an additional paper from a rav. the degel ofice or the agudah office can help
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on December 20, 2012, 04:23:13 AM
The degel ofice or the agudah office can help
One of those Mi K'amcha things.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on December 20, 2012, 04:26:24 AM
I just heard a cool report, if one of you can confirm.
Someone told me that he just made hanacha and they automatically gave it to him for 2012 and 2013.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on December 20, 2012, 04:32:29 AM
I just heard a cool report, if one of you can confirm.
Someone told me that he just made hanacha and they automatically gave it to him for 2012 and 2013.
How would he know? Is 2013 out yet?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 20, 2012, 04:37:13 AM
How would he know? Is 2013 out yet?

They probably told him.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on December 20, 2012, 05:20:09 AM
They probably told him.
And what do we say when a rep says something...?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 20, 2012, 05:36:27 AM
And what do we say when a rep says something...?

Ummmm... we listen like good little boys, and trust what they say? :P
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on December 20, 2012, 06:30:15 AM
And what do we say when a rep says something...?
we ask what others experience are?
I just heard a cool report, if one of you can confirm.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: mmermss on December 20, 2012, 06:41:42 AM
yup, did it this morning.

easy as pie
+1
Just did it now...took a minute
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on December 20, 2012, 07:07:10 AM
Well i have a neighbor he is an israeli, he tells me that he gets the hanacha every year automatic!
+1
Just did it now...took a minute
do u fax it in or email?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on December 20, 2012, 07:13:31 AM
Well i have a neighbor he is an israeli, he tells me that he gets the hanacha every year automatic!
Bnei Yeshiva hanacha?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on December 20, 2012, 07:15:25 AM
Bnei Yeshiva hanacha?
yup
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on December 20, 2012, 07:22:30 AM
yup
I find it hard to believe that so many people line up for Degel Hatorah at the Mir, when it can be done automatically. Plus things change every year, such as income requirement graph, amount of kids, amount of income, etc.

But it's Israel, anything is possible. I just don't believe him
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: mmermss on December 20, 2012, 07:24:01 AM
do u fax it in or email?
None..went down a few months ago but never paid it till now.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: mmermss on December 20, 2012, 07:24:42 AM
I find it hard to believe that so many people line up for Degel Hatorah at the Mir, when it can be done automatically. Plus things change every year, such as income requirement graph, amount of kids, amount of income, etc.

But it's Israel, anything is possible. I just don't believe him
Whats that?  ???
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on December 20, 2012, 07:33:22 AM
Whats that?  ???
Degel Hatorah is an organization, that among other things, helps people with their hanachot. They come down to the Mir shortly after the hanachot are released (usually around March time), and you can file it with them. But IME it's much simpler and faster to just go down to the Iriya. It took them over 4 months to process, and the application got "lost" once in the process. Also they are much stricter about the rules than the Iriya.

If you're in a bind (like if you're filing after 12/31), they can be very helpful.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 20, 2012, 07:35:17 AM
ive also heard of people that get it automatically
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: mmermss on December 20, 2012, 07:35:23 AM
Degel Hatorah is an organization, that among other things, helps people with their hanachot. They come down to the Mir shortly after the hanachot are released (usually around March time), and you can file it with them. But IME it's much simpler and faster to just go down to the Iriya. It took them over 4 months to process, and the application got "lost" once in the process. Also they are much stricter about the rules than the Iriya.

If you're in a bind (like if you're filing after 12/31), they can be very helpful.
Oh now I rememeber..I did it years ago with them and they "lost" mine too.  Needed to go down to Iriya at the end.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 20, 2012, 07:36:14 AM
But IME it's much simpler and faster to just go down to the Iriya.
or just fax/email. not necessary to go down
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: mmermss on December 20, 2012, 07:36:36 AM
ive also heard of people that get it automatically
When I was just on the phone to pay 2012 I asked if I have the hanacha for 2013 and she said no..I would have to do the whole process over.  :(
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on December 20, 2012, 07:36:51 AM
Well i have a neighbor he is an israeli, he tells me that he gets the hanacha every year automatic!
it is true. With Israelis it does work like this. I dont know when yes when not, but with alot of them its automatic.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on December 20, 2012, 07:36:59 AM
ive also heard of people that get it automatically
Ok, well now I might believe him, but it still doesn't make sense. Maybe it's some sort of protektzia thing
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: mmermss on December 20, 2012, 07:39:37 AM
or just fax/email. not necessary to go down
If its not a busy day i.e. a random day in middle of the year...it might be worth it to go down and know that you got the hanacha and you can pay it already.  As opposed to fax/email and hope when you receive their reply its all good.  Like for instance Red said he only needs a letter from yeshiva and now they changed their rule...if you faxed/emailed this year without knowing that it would be annoying...
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 20, 2012, 09:17:48 AM
just make sure you provide everything they ask for. in the newcomers guide its all there
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 20, 2012, 09:27:53 AM
just make sure you provide everything they ask for. in the newcomers guide its all there

IIMI, or is it missing from the newest Newcomer's Guide? After "Aliya", it goes straight to "Banks"...
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 20, 2012, 09:29:59 AM
its always under 'bills'
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: andrew on December 20, 2012, 01:10:05 PM
If its not a busy day i.e. a random day in middle of the year...it might be worth it to go down and know that you got the hanacha and you can pay it already.  As opposed to fax/email and hope when you receive their reply its all good.  Like for instance Red said he only needs a letter from yeshiva and now they changed their rule...if you faxed/emailed this year without knowing that it would be annoying...
when you call up they tell you what your missing, they even send you a letter
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: mmermss on December 20, 2012, 01:15:09 PM
when you call up they tell you what your missing, they even send you a letter
You call up right after you fax/email it and they tell you what your missing?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: mmermss on December 26, 2012, 06:29:04 AM
How would he know? Is 2013 out yet?
Just got mine today
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 26, 2012, 06:47:47 AM
Just got mine today
wow thats early
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: rots5 on December 26, 2012, 06:49:07 AM
Just got mine today

confused u got what?

i know wrong thread but were all isralites and i need help! :-)
anyone know a good fridge repair guy - my fridge keeps shorting put my fuze
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on December 26, 2012, 06:49:23 AM
Just got mine today
your 2013? Automatically?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 26, 2012, 06:56:22 AM
fwiu he got his 2013 bill
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on December 26, 2012, 07:00:05 AM
fwiu he got his 2013 bill
+1 I got my bill 2 days ago. AFAIK they don't release the hanachot until March
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on December 26, 2012, 07:02:31 AM
confused u got what?

i know wrong thread but were all isralites and i need help! :-)
anyone know a good fridge repair guy - my fridge keeps shorting put my fuze
if you bring it down to the Iriya they might replace it for you.

I would call Serco. I'm really happy with them. Its an american Kollel guy who scouts out the various handymen, etc. Very good service, and the guys know they can't screw you because he follows up with the customer
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: rots5 on December 26, 2012, 07:07:56 AM
if you bring it down to the Iriya they might replace it for you.

I would call Serco. I'm really happy with them. Its an american Kollel guy who scouts out the various handymen, etc. Very good service, and the guys know they can't screw you because he follows up with the customer

thanks  ok  hw only opens at 230  thanks come up for lunch if ur bored :-)
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: mmermss on December 26, 2012, 07:13:36 AM
fwiu he got his 2013 bill
Yup
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: mmermss on December 26, 2012, 07:14:01 AM
thanks  ok  hw only opens at 230  thanks come up for lunch if ur bored :-)
Ok..thanks for the invite   ;D :P
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 26, 2012, 07:15:18 AM
if you bring it down to the Iriya they might replace it for you.

I would call Serco. I'm really happy with them. Its an american Kollel guy who scouts out the various handymen, etc. Very good service, and the guys know they can't screw you because he follows up with the customer
contact info?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: DanH on December 26, 2012, 07:18:50 AM
contact info?
serco - 0527118070

i also know a good fridge/electrician guy - nosson katz - 0546532273
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: rots5 on December 26, 2012, 07:28:21 AM
thNks i called this guy uzi and he is fixing it  frum guy and its 400 shek for the new heating element that broke    bal dira was fine with that :-)

but thanks for the help all  and mmerms ur welcome to come too and so uncle moishy (just cover all my bases :-)
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 26, 2012, 07:31:02 AM
serco - 0527118070

first name frank by any chance?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on December 26, 2012, 07:33:12 AM
first name frank by any chance?
Avrom Levin
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 26, 2012, 12:30:39 PM
thNks i called this guy uzi and he is fixing it  frum guy and its 400 shek for the new heating element that broke    bal dira was fine with that :-)

but thanks for the help all  and mmerms ur welcome to come too and so uncle moishy (just cover all my bases :-)

:)
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Got a clue on December 28, 2012, 03:44:44 AM
Getting back to Betuach Leumi- the Mir gave me a 3 year visa 2 years ago- if I apply for Betuach Leumi am I going to have to pay from the begining of the visa retroactively?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on December 28, 2012, 04:05:18 AM
Getting back to Betuach Leumi- the Mir gave me a 3 year visa 2 years ago- if I apply for Betuach Leumi am I going to have to pay from the begining of the visa retroactively?
Yes
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Got a clue on December 28, 2012, 07:21:40 AM
Is there any way I can get a new visa? My wife got a visa in July so I was gonna apply soon- but its not worth it to get it if I have to pay for 2 years...
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on December 28, 2012, 08:03:24 AM
Is there any way I can get a new visa? My wife got a visa in July so I was gonna apply soon- but its not worth it to get it if I have to pay for 2 years...
It has nothing to do with the visa you currently have, it's from the first time you had a visa. I believe there is a guy that takes a few thousand shekel to circumvent it
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Got a clue on December 28, 2012, 08:07:52 AM
Not worth it if Im only here for another year and change- ill just pay mechudet
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 28, 2012, 09:19:00 AM
Not worth it if Im only here for another year and change- ill just pay mechudet
what about hospital stays? you need BL
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Got a clue on December 29, 2012, 11:02:26 AM
If your sick? Only childbirth I think... and chances are Ill go back to America to have a kid anyway
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: L'Chaim on December 29, 2012, 03:28:13 PM
Do you have to pay retroactively even if you get a new passport?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 29, 2012, 03:33:57 PM
Do you have to pay retroactively even if you get a new passport?

Was wondering the same thing...
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on December 29, 2012, 03:45:47 PM
Do you have to pay retroactively even if you get a new passport?
If the visa was transferred, I'm sure you do. Probably the best way to find out is go to Misrad Hapnim and ask for a daf knisot veyetiyot. Whatever it says, that's what you will probably pay
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: rots5 on December 29, 2012, 03:53:02 PM
If the visa was transferred, I'm sure you do. Probably the best way to find out is go to Misrad Hapnim and ask for a daf knisot veyetiyot. Whatever it says, that's what you will probably pay
First is free after that 20₪ a pc
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 29, 2012, 04:24:16 PM
First is free after that 20₪ a pc

Huh?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: L'Chaim on December 29, 2012, 04:43:05 PM
Huh?
If the visa was transferred, I'm sure you do. Probably the best way to find out is go to Misrad Hapnim and ask for a daf knisot veyetiyot. Whatever it says, that's what you will probably pay
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 29, 2012, 06:50:56 PM


I know. My point was that that wasn't what the original question was about...
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: RT on December 31, 2012, 07:07:14 PM
To make a very very long story short I need to get a hanacha for arnona. Is it too late?? (No, I am no irresponsible and just waking up now, it's a very long story..)
Who can I pay to do it for me, I am currently in the US, have 99% of my paperwork done already...

Thx
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on January 01, 2013, 12:38:28 AM
To make a very very long story short I need to get a hanacha for arnona. Is it too late?? (No, I am no irresponsible and just waking up now, it's a very long story..)
Who can I pay to do it for me, I am currently in the US, have 99% of my paperwork done already...

Thx
Degel HaTorah
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: satturn on January 01, 2013, 05:15:28 AM
Degel HaTorah
i know people who got messed over with them- they filed the material after the deadline.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on January 01, 2013, 05:37:09 AM
i know people who got messed over with them- they filed the material after the deadline.
We are already passed the deadline. Not sure what he has to lose at this point
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: RT on January 01, 2013, 02:51:26 PM
Degel HaTorah
It's worth a shot, thank you!
Can someone PM me their phone number?
Title: Re: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: elikay on January 01, 2013, 02:52:53 PM
i know people who got messed over with them- they filed the material after the deadline.
And I know people who were helped by them.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on January 01, 2013, 02:56:50 PM
It's worth a shot, thank you!
Can someone PM me their phone number?

andrew posted it earlier in this thread (though he didn't write who it was).
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: rots5 on January 01, 2013, 04:20:00 PM
andrew posted it earlier in this thread (though he didn't write who it was).
whoever it was he posted but i called they wanted 500$ to swtch my wifes visa from student to working
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on January 01, 2013, 04:55:44 PM
whoever it was he posted but i called they wanted 500$ to swtch my wifes visa from student to working

:o
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: rots5 on January 01, 2013, 04:56:13 PM
:o

ya  nuts!
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: RT on January 01, 2013, 08:37:58 PM
whoever it was he posted but i called they wanted 500$ to swtch my wifes visa from student to working
Forget it, they would only be saving me $400 so not worth paying that much...
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on January 02, 2013, 03:35:28 AM
Forget it, they would only be saving me $400 so not worth paying that much...
Degel Hatorah Doesn't charge. Clearly that number was not theirs
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: rots5 on January 02, 2013, 06:32:58 AM
whoever it was he posted but i called they wanted 500$ to swtch my wifes visa from student to working
many ppl i know have used this guy and were very sattisfied, got done for one person i know in 24 hr
His number 0772018402 call only by day and just tell himw what you need done.( he gets complicated things done too!)
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: RT on January 02, 2013, 10:18:22 AM


Anyone know how much he charges? If I need to pay more than the $400 I would be saving its not worth it..
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on January 02, 2013, 11:56:43 AM
Anyone know how much he charges? If I need to pay more than the $400 I would be saving its not worth it..
How will switching your visa help you?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: RT on January 02, 2013, 11:58:50 AM
How will switching your visa help you?
Im not the one who posted about the Visa. I need to get a hanacha for Arnona and its past the deadline..
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on January 02, 2013, 12:25:05 PM
Im not the one who posted about the Visa. I need to get a hanacha for Arnona and its past the deadline..
So why would you call a guy who does Visas
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: RT on January 02, 2013, 12:28:09 PM
So why would you call a guy who does Visas
I asked for a number of someone who does Arnona, I thought this was a response to my post..
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on January 02, 2013, 12:41:57 PM
Anyone know how much he charges? If I need to pay more than the $400 I would be saving its not worth it..
are you saying that Degel wants to charge you $400 to get you the arnona?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: RT on January 02, 2013, 12:46:33 PM
are you saying that Degel wants to charge you $400 to get you the arnona?
No clue what Degel charges I think someone posted here that they wanted $400 to change a visa to a working visa this is why I assumed they are $$$
Can anyone confirm this?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: mmermss on January 02, 2013, 12:48:50 PM
No clue what Degel charges I think someone posted here that they wanted $400 to change a visa to a working visa this is why I assumed they are $$$
Can anyone confirm this?
Degel has nothing to do with Visas.

This thread is seriously getting confusing  :o
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on January 02, 2013, 12:53:19 PM
Degel has nothing to do with Visas.

This thread is seriously getting confusing  :o
Good at least I'm not the only one
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: mmermss on January 02, 2013, 12:54:08 PM
Any one up for a Wiki?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Got a clue on January 02, 2013, 12:57:37 PM
Related question- I got a 3 year vias from the Mir 2 and a few months yrs ago- if I apply for Betuach Leumi now they are gonna charge me 115 sheck for the last 2 yrs... should i "lose" my passport and then have to get a new visa?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on January 02, 2013, 01:02:11 PM
Related question- I got a 3 year vias from the Mir 2 and a few months yrs ago- if I apply for Betuach Leumi now they are gonna charge me 115 sheck for the last 2 yrs
Yes
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Got a clue on January 02, 2013, 01:06:34 PM
how much does it cost to get a new passport? also being that im going home for Paesach I may not have enough time to get a new one for me and my wife..
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on January 02, 2013, 01:08:12 PM
how much does it cost to get a new passport? also being that im going home for Paesach I may not have enough time to get a new one for me and my wife..
$205 IIRC
You can get one in an hour or so. Are you going back for pesach tonight? :P
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Got a clue on January 02, 2013, 01:09:58 PM
How do I get one in an hour?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on January 02, 2013, 01:27:21 PM
How do I get one in an hour?
Tell them you want it in 1 hour. It might be more like 3-4 hours. But it's same day
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Got a clue on January 02, 2013, 01:29:21 PM
Confused here.. where in Israel would i get a new American passport?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: mmermss on January 02, 2013, 01:33:48 PM
Confused here.. where in Israel would i get a new American passport?
American Consulate...IIRC its in Talpiot
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Got a clue on January 02, 2013, 01:36:47 PM
Considering its 400 plus bucks it may be worth it to wait till Sep, get a new visa then and apply for betuach leumi 6 months later... and pay meuchedet in the meantime
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Red on January 02, 2013, 01:59:14 PM
$205 IIRC
You can get one in an hour or so. Are you going back for pesach tonight? :P
$205 is a child passport ($105)+ birth abroad ($100), an adult passport is $135.
See fees here, http://jerusalem.usconsulate.gov/service/schedule-of-fees.html
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Got a clue on January 02, 2013, 02:18:38 PM
Thanks.. still might not be worth it to go through the whole hassle... if i get back to back visas will I still get messed up?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on January 02, 2013, 02:35:19 PM
$205 is a child passport ($105)+ birth abroad ($100), an adult passport is $135.
See fees here, http://jerusalem.usconsulate.gov/service/schedule-of-fees.html
+1
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on January 02, 2013, 02:40:07 PM
No clue what Degel charges I think someone posted here that they wanted $400 to change a visa to a working visa this is why I assumed they are $$$
Can anyone confirm this?
you are very confused. Contact degel hatorah and discuss with them their phone number is 025371172. Nobody said they charge $400.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Got a clue on January 02, 2013, 02:48:14 PM
Degel Hatorah gives advice regarding Betuach Leuumi?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: mmermss on January 02, 2013, 02:49:04 PM
Degel Hatorah gives advice regarding Betuach Leuumi?
No. Visas.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Got a clue on January 02, 2013, 02:50:02 PM
I have a visa.. its just that if I use this one for bl they are gonna charge me for the last 2 plus yrs!
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: RT on January 02, 2013, 02:53:40 PM
No. Visas.
Degel hatorah helps with arnona or just visa? I dont need visa help..
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on January 02, 2013, 02:55:06 PM
No. Visas.
-1 you are also confused. RT was enquiring about Arnona and the degel discussion was responding to him.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: RT on January 02, 2013, 02:57:10 PM
-1 you are also confused. RT was enquiring about Arnona and the degel discussion was responding to him.
Thank you! I've been running around in circles here..
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: mmermss on January 02, 2013, 03:00:08 PM
-1 you are also confused. RT was enquiring about Arnona and the degel discussion was responding to him.
+1
When I saw you -1 I was like what??  Then I realized I made a mistake...meant to write...No. Arnona.
Thanks
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Got a clue on January 02, 2013, 03:04:00 PM
In regard to my visa issue should i wait it out or lose my passport
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on January 02, 2013, 03:19:35 PM
In regard to my visa issue should i wait it out or lose my passport
You don't gain anything by waiting
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Got a clue on January 02, 2013, 03:21:18 PM
But I dont have to deal with getting new passports...
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on January 02, 2013, 03:48:56 PM
But I dont have to deal with getting new passports...
Buzzz wrong answer.
I'm not 100% convinced that a new passport will help, but a new visa in an old passport will 100% for sure not help
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on January 02, 2013, 03:50:34 PM
Buzzz wrong answer.
I'm not 100% convinced that a new passport will help, but a new visa in an old passport will 100% for sure not help
yeah, I think if they will see your old visas they will still charge retroactive.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Got a clue on January 02, 2013, 03:52:20 PM
So basically Im screwed
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Got a clue on January 02, 2013, 03:54:41 PM
This country is messed... and it cant be that they will charge for seeing my old visa bec plenty of guys get visas when they were single, come back married and get new ones and only pay the standard 6 months
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on January 02, 2013, 04:01:21 PM
This country is messed... and it cant be that they will charge for seeing my old visa bec plenty of guys get visas when they were single, come back married and get new ones and only pay the standard 6 months
Wrong again.
I know people that were asked for 8 years worth of BL when they came back married. I happened to have gotten away with it, but I was off student Visas for 5 years. I think people who are away for a while, maybe have gotten a new passport in the interim, plus they have different address/phone number etc.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Got a clue on January 02, 2013, 04:30:20 PM
Well guess Im off my game.. but the system is retarded
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on January 02, 2013, 05:14:17 PM
Well guess Im off my game.. but the system is retarded
Oh yes. $30 a month for health insurance for a whole family. Really retarded. Try explaining that to someone paying for health care in the US
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: rots5 on January 02, 2013, 05:38:00 PM
Oh yes. $30 a month for health insurance for a whole family. Really retarded. Try explaining that to someone paying for health care in the US
u make it sound so easy - what happens when u get stuck with some yoyo dr and cant switch for three months
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on January 02, 2013, 05:54:14 PM
u make it sound so easy - what happens when u get stuck with some yoyo dr
maybe do some research before you go...

and cant switch for three months
thats only if you go on the first day of the quarter

Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: rots5 on January 02, 2013, 06:14:36 PM
maybe do some research before you go...
thats only if you go on the first day of the quarter
research is all by who you ask if u dont like what u see when u get there ur screwed....\

but are u saying if went to one dr on sunday i can go to a diff tom?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on January 02, 2013, 06:17:37 PM
research is all by who you ask if u dont like what u see when u get there ur screwed....\

but are u saying if went to one dr on sunday i can go to a diff tom?
if you ask a few people and they recommend a specific doctor, chances are high hes not a yoyo

you can visit one doctor per quarter
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on January 02, 2013, 07:42:24 PM
if you ask a few people and they recommend a specific doctor, chances are high hes not a yoyo

you can visit one doctor per quarter
You are allowed to switch once per quarter
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: RT on January 03, 2013, 12:43:58 AM
u make it sound so easy - what happens when u get stuck with some yoyo dr and cant switch for three months
Or pay $1,300 per month for a family insurance plan (in US) when your only making 30K each and get a decent insurance. Then you have a 2k deductible  ::) ::) ::) ::)
Some systems are so messed up!
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Got a clue on January 03, 2013, 02:01:05 AM
I agree that its cheap here its just that its dumb that I gotta pay for the 2 years I was here single
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on January 03, 2013, 02:14:42 AM
You are allowed to switch once per quarter
fwiu, the way it works is the doctor gets paid once for the quarter no matter how many times you visit him. i believe its in the range of $30. if you visit another doctor within the quarter, meuchedet splits the $30 between the two.
some doctors, such as dr stein, will not accept the meuchedet if they see youve been to a different doctor so as not to take half the money from him
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: mmermss on January 03, 2013, 02:15:59 AM
fwiu, the way it works is the doctor gets paid once for the quarter no matter how many times you visit him. i believe its in the range of $30. if you visit another doctor within the quarter, meuchedet splits the $30 between the two.
some doctors, such as dr stein, will not accept the meuchedet if they see youve been to a different doctor so as not to take half the money from him
So you'd have to pay from pocket?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on January 03, 2013, 02:16:13 AM
I agree that its cheap here its just that its dumb that I gotta pay for the 2 years I was here single
im not so sure you have to, i certainly didnt (after a 2 year hiatus in the states)
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on January 03, 2013, 02:16:39 AM
So you'd have to pay from pocket?
if you choose to still visit him, then yes
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Got a clue on January 03, 2013, 02:18:43 AM
im not so sure you have to, i certainly didnt (after a 2 year hiatus in the states)

I was only in the states for 6 months and Im still on my original visa
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on January 03, 2013, 02:33:32 AM
fwiu, the way it works is the doctor gets paid once for the quarter no matter how many times you visit him. i believe its in the range of $30.
you dont think its pay per swipe?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on January 03, 2013, 02:44:27 AM
you dont think its pay per swipe?
im 99% sure its not
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 03, 2013, 02:49:18 AM
im 99% sure its not

Once per quarter, up to two Doctors. Typical Israeli practice is to swipe it once quarterly for your Dr keeping tabs
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on January 03, 2013, 02:58:11 AM
Typical Israeli practice is to swipe it once quarterly for your Dr keeping tabs
you mean without you visiting?that would be impossible
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on January 03, 2013, 03:00:48 AM
It's 150 shek per quarter, divided by 2 if you switch.

Worst case, you pay out of pocket. Most doctors charge 50 shek per visit. Still a joke
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: rots5 on January 03, 2013, 06:48:08 AM
Or pay $1,300 per month for a family insurance plan (in US) when your only making 30K each and get a decent insurance. Then you have a 2k deductible  ::) ::) ::) ::)
Some systems are so messed up!
Im on Fidelis.  I pay 20$! A month in the us for FULL coverage i do not make money! And its a messed up system all around. I think moish is right u can only go to one dr the other one won't even look at u bec they onlybgetba few shekel then
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on January 03, 2013, 07:04:09 AM
you dont think its pay per swipe?
im 99% sure its not

I'm %100 sure it's not.

Dr. Slater wrote up a whole essay on how it works. I'll try to find it and post it when I get a chance.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: mmermss on January 03, 2013, 07:05:36 AM
I'm %100 sure it's not.

Dr. Slater wrote up a whole essay on how it works. I'll try to find it and post it when I get a chance.
Like 10 pages long? Or that wasnt his...
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on January 03, 2013, 09:08:09 AM
Like 10 pages long? Or that wasnt his...

More like 4 or 5.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on January 03, 2013, 01:37:45 PM
Im on Fidelis.  I pay 20$! A month in the us for FULL coverage i do not make money! And its a messed up system all around. I think moish is right u can only go to one dr the other one won't even look at u bec they onlybgetba few shekel then
$20 a month for FULL coverage??? 1 person or family? do u have to lend out the money and they pay back? how does it work? No israel insurance needed?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: rots5 on January 03, 2013, 06:23:37 PM
$20 a month for FULL coverage??? 1 person or family? do u have to lend out the money and they pay back? how does it work? No israel insurance needed?
its inly in America.  That also Rockland county. Its basically a better medicad.  And its complete coverage - eye dr/glasses, dentist and anyone. Its me my wife and child (wifes on her moms also₪
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: mmermss on January 03, 2013, 06:25:58 PM
its inly in America.  That also Rockland county. Its basically a better medicad.  And its complete coverage - eye dr/glasses, dentist and anyone. Its me my wife and child (wifes on her moms also
???
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: rots5 on January 03, 2013, 06:26:49 PM
its inly in America.  That also Rockland county. Its basically a better medicad.  And its complete coverage - eye dr/glasses, dentist and anyone. Its me my wife and child (wifes on her moms also)
grow up
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: mmermss on January 03, 2013, 06:43:29 PM
grow up
;D ;D :P

Just thought your'e really Israeli and you just needed to put in a nis sign into your post
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: L'Chaim on January 05, 2013, 12:46:17 PM
many ppl i know have used this guy and were very sattisfied, got done for one person i know in 24 hr
His number 0772018402 call only by day and just tell himw what you need done.( he gets complicated things done too!)
not dagan not lender, dont know his name, i just got the number. Hes pretty cheap,
Does he charge for an appointment?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: notisraeli on January 26, 2013, 03:31:09 PM
Has anyone been denied a arnona hanacha until  an investigator comes to interview you at home? I have one coming and want to know what to expect
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: andrew on January 26, 2013, 03:39:53 PM
Does he charge for an appointment?
putpac
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on January 26, 2013, 03:47:42 PM
Has anyone been denied a arnona hanacha until  an investigator comes to interview you at home? I have one coming and want to know what to expect
They want to make sure you are living a life consistant with the income you stated. They check your fridge closets etc
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on January 26, 2013, 04:19:43 PM
They want to make sure you are living a life consistant with the income you stated. They check your fridge closets etc
and also if the size of the apartment matches what you its registered as.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Red on January 26, 2013, 04:40:28 PM
Has anyone been denied a arnona hanacha until  an investigator comes to interview you at home? I have one coming and want to know what to expect
Yup, been through that.
I suggest you get hold of every single document requested in the letter sent to you, it will help you when he comes. Just a heads up, even though it says he won't be taking any of the documents with him he will. The guy that came down was very nice, he sat down at my table and asked me a whole bunch of questions such as, do I own a washer, dryer, fridge, freezer, computer etc. (I kid you not).
The guy that comes is a hired private investigator and not affiliated with the iriya, therefore he cannot give you the hanacha. What he does is fill out a report and sends it in to the iriya and you will get a letter form them with a status update.
Much hatzlacha with it.
If you have any more questions feel free to pm me.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: andrew on January 26, 2013, 05:30:32 PM
Try not to have anything fancy or valuable in the apt maybe leave it by a neighbour.  eg Silver, shnaps, electronics,wines
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: notisraeli on January 26, 2013, 11:44:36 PM
Yup, been through that.
I suggest you get hold of every single document requested in the letter sent to you, it will help you when he comes. Just a heads up, even though it says he won't be taking any of the documents with him he will. The guy that came down was very nice, he sat down at my table and asked me a whole bunch of questions such as, do I own a washer, dryer, fridge, freezer, computer etc. (I kid you not).
The guy that comes is a hired private investigator and not affiliated with the iriya, therefore he cannot give you the hanacha. What he does is fill out a report and sends it in to the iriya and you will get a letter form them with a status update.
Much hatzlacha with it.
If you have any more questions feel free to pm me.

Thanks. How do I pm you? Currently I am holding money (abt 40k usd) for a relative who wants to buy an apt in israel (its in my name), if I do not provide those  bank records  will it come back to haunt me? Or should I be up front and tell him about it even though I don't have anyway to prove its not mine? (Besides asking my relative for a letter which sounds dumb).
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: L'Chaim on January 27, 2013, 02:16:34 PM
Thanks. How do I pm you? Currently I am holding money (abt 40k usd) for a relative who wants to buy an apt in israel (its in my name), if I do not provide those  bank records  will it come back to haunt me? Or should I be up front and tell him about it even though I don't have anyway to prove its not mine? (Besides asking my relative for a letter which sounds dumb).

I don't think he's gonna ask you to empty your pockets or show him your hiding place, but he can have a look around to see on what level you live.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on January 31, 2013, 05:24:19 PM
Has anyone been denied a arnona hanacha until  an investigator comes to interview you at home? I have one coming and want to know what to expect
yup went through it successfully b"H

moved all my paintings and silver to a neighbor, all lights were off and a/c shut. be sure to be very polite
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on January 31, 2013, 05:24:46 PM
They check your fridge closets etc
they didnt with me
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: how on January 31, 2013, 05:40:09 PM
They might check accounts. My friend had one and they kept on going through his bank statements...
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on January 31, 2013, 05:55:48 PM
well they require you to bring all the stuff to the meeting

Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: how on January 31, 2013, 06:08:16 PM
what do you mean by stuff? he had a whole list of required documents he had to bring
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on January 31, 2013, 06:18:23 PM
right, so not 'might' check accounts, they absolutely will
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on May 21, 2013, 02:50:24 PM
did anyone  get an arnona discount for this year?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Red on May 21, 2013, 02:53:05 PM
did anyone  get an arnona discount for this year?
I went down last week. They weren't even talking to people, you had to drop off your papers at the information desk.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: how on May 21, 2013, 02:59:49 PM
I just fax in the whole thing I dont bother going down
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on May 21, 2013, 03:08:11 PM
I went down last week. They weren't even talking to people, you had to drop off your papers at the information desk.
thats usually how it is, i just email it.

my question is if they started giving hanachos out yet
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Red on May 21, 2013, 03:10:38 PM
thats usually how it is, i just email it.

my question is if they started giving hanachos out yet
Really? I've gone down for the past few years and taken care of it on the spot.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on May 21, 2013, 03:12:05 PM
Really? I've gone down for the past few years and taken care of it on the spot.
for me at least
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on May 21, 2013, 03:33:59 PM
Friend got his today in the mail, dropped it off about 3 weeks ago
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on May 21, 2013, 03:35:50 PM
How do you email it?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Red on May 21, 2013, 03:40:07 PM
How do you email it?
From the info page: discounts@jerusalem.muni.il
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on May 21, 2013, 04:28:18 PM
From the info page: discounts@jerusalem.muni.il
correct
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: DanH on May 22, 2013, 02:09:33 PM
Oh wow thats so cool, didn't know I can email it.

Anyone remember what needs to be sent in?  IIRC, it's everything except my 4th grade report card..
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: RT on May 23, 2013, 09:28:16 AM
From the info page: discounts@jerusalem.muni.il
I am so upset! I didn't get a hanacha for 2012 because I left in April and the person who moved in after me didn't  include Jan-April when getting the hanacha. Had I known I could email it I would have done it!!!!
BTW, I never paid the arnona from Jan-April and it's in my name, are they going to come after me next time I come to Israel?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on June 19, 2013, 09:39:46 PM
Anybody know someone who can get me a student visa immediately (like in a day or two)? Meir Goodman (who rots5 mentioned previously) says his method can take up to two weeks. I need one ASAP.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on June 19, 2013, 09:41:31 PM
BTW, I never paid the arnona from Jan-April and it's in my name, are they going to come after me next time I come to Israel?

I would be more worried about owing money to your baal dirah, who no doubt was left holding the bag (the Arnona people can be very ruthless in pursuing "next of kin", so to speak, of whoever owes them money). Really not worth coming back down after 120 years for that...
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on June 20, 2013, 03:13:41 AM
Anybody know someone who can get me a student visa immediately (like in a day or two)? Meir Goodman (who rots5 mentioned previously) says his method can take up to two weeks. I need one ASAP.
go down there and talk to a manager
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on June 20, 2013, 03:59:05 AM
go down there and talk to a manager

A manager? They have such things? :o

Either way, I'm not very good at the whole "aggressive" thing. Is there anyone I can pay to do it for me?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on June 20, 2013, 04:23:44 AM

I would be more worried about owing money to your baal dirah, who no doubt was left holding the bag (the Arnona people can be very ruthless in pursuing "next of kin", so to speak, of whoever owes them money). Really not worth coming back down after 120 years for that...
-1 the Baal dirah will not have to pay.
A manager? They have such things? :o

Either way, I'm not very good at the whole "aggressive" thing. Is there anyone I can pay to do it for me?
the misrad hapnim visa department has the nicest manager I have met within an Israeli government office, her name is Pnina. With a VALID reason, she will try to help you. I was able to do it myself untill now whenever I wanted, but my person seems to now be gone from there...
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: chuchem on June 20, 2013, 05:31:11 AM
Bal dira has to pay arnona, he moves it on to renter. But its a Chov of owner from the apartment
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on June 20, 2013, 05:36:38 AM
Bal dira has to pay arnona, he moves it on to renter. But its a Chov of owner from the apartment
the chov stays on the apartment, but they do not pursue it from Bal dirah if renter has not paid.
My apartment has quite a few old chovos from americans that left, the bal dirah is psd but just a tiny bit. 
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on June 20, 2013, 05:59:25 AM
Anybody know someone who can get me a student visa immediately (like in a day or two)? Meir Goodman (who rots5 mentioned previously) says his method can take up to two weeks. I need one ASAP.
This meir goodman takes money for it? how much?

I also need one ASAP for me and wife, cuz mine expired and got a letter from BL that they are cutting me off... (can they do it?) if i dont bring in a new valid visa, and i got an appointment only for Jul. 13,  :o
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on June 20, 2013, 06:02:00 AM
This meir goodman takes money for it? how much?

I also need one ASAP for me and wife, cuz mine expired and got a letter from BL that they are cutting me off... (can they do it?) if i dont bring in a new valid visa, and i got an appointment only for Jul. 13,  :o
go to BL show them your paper from MH when your appointment is, and they will note the system.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on June 20, 2013, 06:04:24 AM
go to BL show them your paper from MH when your appointment is, and they will note the system.
Which paper? didnt get an paper made it over the phone,     i faxed a leeter to BL explaining the situation, hope it helps
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on June 20, 2013, 06:30:45 AM
the misrad hapnim visa department has the nicest manager I have met within an Israeli government office, her name is Pnina. With a VALID reason, she will try to help you. I was able to do it myself untill now whenever I wanted, but my person seems to now be gone from there...

Cool. Where (in the building) do I find her? Does she speak English?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on June 20, 2013, 06:43:33 AM
Cool. Where (in the building) do I find her? Does she speak English?
there is a cheder menahel right next to all the desks. (in middle, not the one all the Way by the end)
she might speak English, I would go with Hebrew though.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: RT on June 20, 2013, 10:15:48 AM
I would be more worried about owing money to your baal dirah, who no doubt was left holding the bag (the Arnona people can be very ruthless in pursuing "next of kin", so to speak, of whoever owes them money). Really not worth coming back down after 120 years for that...

I am definitely planning on paying the Arnona I owe. I just don't have the bill anymore so I have no way of paying it...
The scumbag who moved in after me from April-June took the money I left him for Jan-March, didn't get a hanacha and wont answer email from us. So now im stuck paying Jan-June without a hanacha plus I left him a check for Jan-March prorated based on the hanacha. Im hoping this guy is on DDF and sees this post and starts doing serious teshuva for the expense & heartaches he caused us.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on June 20, 2013, 11:18:01 AM
i had success with pnina as well.

my advice would be to "kill them with kindness," even if the situation warrants you to get upset
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on June 20, 2013, 11:46:29 AM
i had success with pnina as well.

my advice would be to "kill them with kindness," even if the situation warrants you to get upset
Please explain
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: ashers on June 20, 2013, 01:35:55 PM
There is also a Menahelet there by the name of Elza
also really really nice. I usually come in the morning and ask her when today is a good time for me to come back  :D
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on June 20, 2013, 03:21:51 PM
Please explain
there can be situations where a normal person would get upset etc, however the way to handle the situation is to be more smiley, say more thank yous and im sorrys.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Let3 on June 20, 2013, 03:37:28 PM
There's also the infamous rabbi Dagan... I don't know how long he takes,  but I was under impression he's good and fast...
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: ashers on June 20, 2013, 04:02:00 PM
There's also the infamous rabbi Dagan... I don't know how long he takes,  but I was under impression he's good and fast...
Not quite....
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on June 20, 2013, 04:48:57 PM
There's also the infamous rabbi Dagan... I don't know how long he takes,  but I was under impression he's good and fast...
With a good fee ;)

Ill try next week the method of going there and try to tlk to the manager,  is there better hours are days to go or all the same?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on July 08, 2013, 03:10:57 AM
Im getting a new passport any day, does anyone have experience going to the bank etc and updating a new passport #?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on July 08, 2013, 08:14:16 AM
I have tomorrow an appointment to renew-get a new student visa for me and wife, (hope it goes smoothly)

Can anyone please tell me which documents i need to take along?

Passports
Passport pictures from me and wife
letter from yeshiva
marriage license

Anything else? 
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: how on July 08, 2013, 08:23:14 AM
I have tomorrow an appointment to renew-get a new student visa for me and wife, (hope it goes smoothly)

Can anyone please tell me which documents i need to take along?

Passports
Passport pictures from me and wife
letter from yeshiva
marriage license

Anything else?
IIRC copies of all the above you will also need to fill out an application but you can do that there
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on July 08, 2013, 08:53:26 AM
IIRC copies of all the above you will also need to fill out an application but you can do that there
Thanks
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: ashers on July 08, 2013, 03:13:44 PM
Im getting a new passport any day, does anyone have experience going to the bank etc and updating a new passport #?
Wait till they call you and ask for it....
No rush in this country  8)
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on July 08, 2013, 04:29:10 PM
Do i need to fill out a separate application for my wife or is it enough filling out her main info in my app on the backside?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Red on July 08, 2013, 04:35:32 PM
Do i need to fill out a separate application for my wife or is it enough filling out her main info in my app on the backside?

I tried pulling that off for my whole family. I just kept nodding and being polite through the entire ensuing tirade unleashed upon me.   ;)

At the end, instead of making me fill out a full application for each family member, she gave me a form that just needed name, dob and passport number.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on July 08, 2013, 04:38:42 PM
I tried pulling that off for my whole family. I just kept nodding and being polite through the entire ensuing tirade unleashed upon me.   ;)

At the end, instead of making me fill out a full application for each family member, she gave me a form that just needed name, dob and passport number.
Aha so you say it worst case she will ask me to fill out a form for her,

Dont need her there with me, right?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Red on July 08, 2013, 04:40:21 PM
If by her you mean your wife, then no she doesn't need to be there. Just one member of the family is enough.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on July 08, 2013, 04:40:42 PM
If by her you mean your wife, then no she doesn't need to be there. Just one member of the family is enough.
Thanks,
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on July 08, 2013, 05:16:58 PM
I tried pulling that off for my whole family. I just kept nodding and being polite through the entire ensuing tirade unleashed upon me.   ;)

At the end, instead of making me fill out a full application for each family member, she gave me a form that just needed name, dob and passport number.
that's a new form which is required the last few months, up until then you just needed to fill out everything on the primary application.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on July 09, 2013, 06:38:12 AM
Update!
Was there today she gave me gladly a visa for 3 years :), 
And my wife...  She dosent see that she is here in israel, that she entered in Israel.... :o
And she said i should bring the paper given when entering... so i told her i dont have it anymore, no one said that its needed to be kept..

So she told me first go home look for it.......

Is this a joke?  what means they dont see she entered?????
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on July 09, 2013, 06:44:56 AM
Update!
Was there today she gave me gladly a visa for 3 years :), 
And my wife...  She dosent see that she is here in israel, that she entered in Israel.... :o
And she said i should bring the paper given when entering... so i told her i dont have it anymore, no one said that its needed to be kept..

So she told me first go home look for it.......

Is this a joke?  what means they dont see she entered?????
its not a joke, their system can sometimes be messed up.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on July 09, 2013, 06:47:35 AM
its not a joke, their system can sometimes be messed up.
So what do i do?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on July 09, 2013, 06:49:40 AM
So what do i do?
go back and make them investigate
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Red on July 09, 2013, 06:52:51 AM
Maybe get a daf knisot v'yetziot
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on July 09, 2013, 07:19:02 AM
go back and make them investigate
Ill take along my wife
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on July 09, 2013, 07:36:46 AM
Maybe get a daf knisot v'yetziot
they are the ones giving it and they said they don't see...
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on July 09, 2013, 07:38:40 AM
they are the ones giving it and they said they don't see...
+1
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: DanH on July 09, 2013, 07:51:40 AM
they are the ones giving it and they said they don't see...
It's a different section.  And don't make any assumptions about how "its the same network" - it's Israel.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Red on July 09, 2013, 07:54:38 AM
It's a different section.  And don't make any assumptions about how "its the same network" - it's Israel.
+1 It's a different department, they don't need a piece of paper to know who came and went and when.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on July 09, 2013, 07:58:25 AM
Right, but i asked her if i shhould go here on the second floor to ask for this document and she says that she sees here what they do....
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: DanH on July 09, 2013, 08:01:12 AM
Right, but i asked her if i shhould go here on the second floor to ask for this document and she says that she sees here what they do....
Interesting.  Either she was saying the truth, or she didn't want you to think she was computer-illiterate.
I'm too tired now, but you can probably use this glitch for some cool stuff. so cool, they dont realize she's in the country!!!
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on July 09, 2013, 08:02:49 AM
+1 It's a different department, they don't need a piece of paper to know who came and went and when.
It's a different section.  And don't make any assumptions about how "its the same network" - it's Israel.
I actually know misrad hapnim and its system pretty well, I actually get my knisot yetziot from the visa department when I need it (shhh), but they just have their shtus that you have to go downstairs to get it - and the shtus can get worse when the person at the reception downstairs will give you a number and make you wait two hours, when he can also really give it to you.
#israelforyou
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on July 09, 2013, 08:06:14 AM
Interesting.  Either she was saying the truth, or she didn't want you to think she was computer-illiterate.
I'm too tired now, but you can probably use this glitch for some cool stuff. so cool, they dont realize she's in the country!!!
Lets hear which cool stuff?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on July 09, 2013, 08:11:08 AM
My main big problem here is, that i dont stop getting letters from BL that i need to bring in the new visa to them, if not they will cut me off from BL, and now the clerk here showed me that her passport is expiring in 5 months.. so i told her that ill be home for the summer (in 1 month) and ill make her there a new one, but she said that she cant give more then this 5 months, or even maybe only 2 months...

So my question is maybe should i wait for her new passport and first then give it in to BL, and if she fell off BL they shouls add her back on.. is it a big deal putting her back on BL?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on August 20, 2013, 12:54:32 PM
So some of the budget cuts have arrived to our accounts today...
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Red on August 20, 2013, 01:36:30 PM
So some of the budget cuts have arrived to our accounts today...
:'(
Got cut about 160 shekel.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on August 20, 2013, 02:09:41 PM
if getting a new baby a student visa dependent on my current one, do i need to provide a letter from yeshiva again?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on August 21, 2013, 08:46:28 AM
if getting a new baby a student visa dependent on my current one, do i need to provide a letter from yeshiva again?
has no one here gotten a student visa for their baby when they already had a valid student visa??
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Got a clue on August 21, 2013, 10:04:07 AM
If I have a visa appointment for myself wife and baby do all 3 need to come or just go myself?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on August 21, 2013, 10:56:22 AM
If I have a visa appointment for myself wife and baby do all 3 need to come or just go myself?
yourself
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: DanH on August 21, 2013, 01:28:54 PM
has no one here gotten a student visa for their baby when they already had a valid student visa??
pretty sure no need
just bring both passports
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on August 23, 2013, 08:54:20 AM
pretty sure no need
just bring both passports
i actually needed 3 passports, mom dad and baby
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on September 03, 2013, 09:54:09 AM
in case anyones interested, i emailed my docs to discounts@jerusalem.muni.il on friday and received an email today that my request has been approved for arnona hanacha
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on September 03, 2013, 10:07:26 AM
in case anyones interested, i emailed my docs to discounts@jerusalem.muni.il on friday and received an email today that my request has been approved for arnona hanacha
:( I went down about 5 weeks ago and haven't received anything
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on September 03, 2013, 10:19:25 AM
in case anyones interested, i emailed my docs to discounts@jerusalem.muni.il on friday and received an email today that my request has been approved for arnona hanacha
Nice, which docs did you email them?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on September 03, 2013, 11:32:49 AM
:( I went down about 5 weeks ago and haven't received anything
it's taking about 5 weeks now
Nice, which docs did you email them?
I guess, all the necessary ones
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: semper fi on September 03, 2013, 01:32:29 PM
Took about 5 weeks for mine.  For some reason they only gave me 60% hanacha, when I applied for 80%.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on September 03, 2013, 01:49:27 PM
Took about 5 weeks for mine.  For some reason they only gave me 60% hanacha, when I applied for 80%.
is your visa expiring this year?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on September 03, 2013, 03:04:40 PM
it's taking about 5 weeks nowI guess, all the necessary ones
Thanks, meaning of my question is what are necessary?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on September 03, 2013, 03:17:19 PM
Nice, which docs did you email them?
1. scan of the bill
2. scan of first page of everyone's passports
3. scan of everyone's visa
4. letter from rabbi (הצהרה)
5. letter from yeshiva
6. scan of chozeh
7. form filled out

see newcomers guide for further explanation
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on September 03, 2013, 03:22:44 PM
1. scan of the bill
2. scan of first page of everyone's passports
3. scan of everyone's visa
4. letter from rabbi (הצהרה)
5. letter from yeshiva
6. scan of chozeh
7. form filled out

see newcomers guide for further explanation
Thanks a million, if my baby dosent have a visa, is it a problem? and whats num. 4?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on September 03, 2013, 03:31:53 PM
Thanks a million, if my baby dosent have a visa, is it a problem? and whats num. 4?
only people in the apartment in oct nov dec of 2012 count towards arnona 2013.


you should really take a look at the newcomers guide.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: DanH on September 03, 2013, 04:17:11 PM
1. scan of the bill
2. scan of first page of everyone's passports
3. scan of everyone's visa
4. letter from rabbi (הצהרה)
5. letter from yeshiva
6. scan of chozeh
7. form filled out

see newcomers guide for further explanation
What about dayan sig?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: DanH on September 03, 2013, 04:18:54 PM
you should really take a look at the newcomers guide.
http://www.newcomersguideisrael.com/guide.aspx?page=arnona
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: semper fi on September 03, 2013, 07:28:35 PM
is your visa expiring this year?
No!
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on December 10, 2013, 07:01:16 AM
Going today to get my discount on the arnona iy"h, do i need to bring along a copy of student visa too?

 i dont have for my child only for me and wife is it ok?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on December 10, 2013, 07:10:50 AM
Going today to get my discount on the arnona iy"h, do i need to bring along a copy of student visa too?

 i dont have for my child only for me and wife is it ok?
yes you do. You usually need for the whole family IIRC.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on December 10, 2013, 07:14:50 AM
yes you do. You usually need for the whole family IIRC.
OMG i dont have for my child :o what can i do?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on December 10, 2013, 07:48:02 AM
OMG i dont have for my child :o what can i do?
it should be fine. They might not realise, or they might say to fax it in later
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on December 10, 2013, 09:56:02 AM
UPDATE!!

Or she didn't relies or she didn't care, and it went through b"h
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: DanH on December 11, 2013, 07:45:02 AM
UPDATE!!

Or she didn't relies or she didn't care, and it went through b"h
What did you have to bring, exactly?  What did the letter from dayan have to say?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on December 11, 2013, 05:14:04 PM
What did you have to bring, exactly?  What did the letter from dayan have to say?
Arnona discount form
Copy of contract (just make one)
copy of passports of entire family
copy of visa of entire family
a paper from ur yeshiva that u learn there (mine said already also that im jewish and my wife too, and that she dosent work and that i get from my family support ant that my family pays my rent, that normally this info u get from the dayen)
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on December 11, 2013, 05:17:06 PM
Arnona discount form
Copy of contract (just make one)
copy of passports of entire family
copy of visa of entire family
a paper from ur yeshiva that u learn there (mine said already also that im jewish and my wife too, and that she dosent work and that i get from my family support ant that my family pays my rent, that normally this info u get from the dayen)
did you get your discount right away?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: DanH on December 11, 2013, 05:48:40 PM
a paper from ur yeshiva that u learn there (mine said already also that im jewish and my wife too, and that she dosent work and that i get from my family support ant that my family pays my rent, that normally this info u get from the dayen)
I was told that having a letter from yeshiva that states all of the above is NOT enough -- you STILL need letter from dayan.  Can you confirm you did not have any dayan letter
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 12, 2013, 09:54:50 AM
I was told that having a letter from yeshiva that states all of the above is NOT enough -- you STILL need letter from dayan.  Can you confirm you did not have any dayan letter
some yeshivas work for both, most do not
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on December 12, 2013, 11:21:02 AM
I got mine discount on the spot and my yeshiva paper was enough
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on June 12, 2014, 01:21:07 PM
Anyone have any contact info of people that speed up the Visa process or make it look like  it was had earlier,  for insurance purposes
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: DovtheBear on June 12, 2014, 01:33:35 PM
Does a student need a visa?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Dr Moose on June 12, 2014, 01:35:45 PM
Does a student need a visa?
yes if more than 3 months
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: zw on June 12, 2014, 01:36:07 PM
Does a student need a visa?
yes they will give you problems when you try to come back in the country
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: DovtheBear on June 12, 2014, 01:39:37 PM
yes if more than 3 months
So, guys who go to learn (year+), get visas? I don't think I ever heard of that.
yes they will give you problems when you try to come back in the country
What do you mean?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: zw on June 12, 2014, 01:44:44 PM
So, guys who go to learn (year+), get visas? I don't think I ever heard of that
well whoever I know did...
What do you mean?
they will be very  >:( and will give you a hard time.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: DovtheBear on June 12, 2014, 01:45:07 PM
they will be very  >:( and will give you a hard time.
When?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: zw on June 12, 2014, 01:46:37 PM
when what?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: zw on June 12, 2014, 01:49:27 PM
Can I get the daf knisa vyetzia when the mh is open on mon and thur in the afternoon or only in the morn hours??
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: DovtheBear on June 12, 2014, 01:57:06 PM
when what?
When will they give problems?
 

Anyway, how does one get it?
And how long does it take?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Dr Moose on June 12, 2014, 01:59:33 PM
When will they give problems?
 

Anyway, how does one get it?
And how long does it take?
most yeshivas will do it for you
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: DovtheBear on June 12, 2014, 02:12:23 PM
most yeshivas will do it for you
Who said anything about Yeshiva?
How can I do it myself?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Crazy tools on June 12, 2014, 02:19:50 PM
Who said anything about Yeshiva?
How can I do it myself?
Get a letter from a yeshiva that your a student. Then call & call & call & call till you get through to make an appointment.  Then show up not a second after your appointment time and wait & wait & wait.....  Then walk into every closed door looking for the place where your supposed to be and get scream at for being late.....  Finally you'll maybe walk out with a visa...

At least that's how it was done in my days....  No idea of its still like that.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on June 12, 2014, 02:20:51 PM
Get a letter from a yeshiva that your a student. Then call & call & call & call till you get through to make an appointment.  Then show up not a second after your appointment time and wait & wait & wait.....  Then walk into every closed door looking for the place where your supposed to be and get scream at for being late.....  Finally you'll maybe walk out with a visa...

At least that's how it was done in my days....  No idea of its still like that.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Red on June 12, 2014, 02:36:32 PM
They now have the second floor (or is it the first floor? you never know with the Israeli way of counting floors) dedicated to visas, and a secretary to make appointments (if you want to walk in) much more efficient.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: DanH on June 12, 2014, 02:39:54 PM

Anyone have any contact info of people that speed up the Visa process or make it look like  it was had earlier,  for insurance purposes
Dagan?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on June 12, 2014, 02:46:03 PM
Dagan?
number?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: DanH on June 12, 2014, 03:07:02 PM
number?
dont have it atm, but PMing you a diff one
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: shauly on June 12, 2014, 03:57:39 PM
When will they give problems?

For the first three years that I was in Yeshiva, there was always another reason that I couldn't get a visa. I can't say that this is what happens to everyone, but I just got grilled for a few minutes whenever I left or came in. They asked why I didn't get visas, don't I know that I need one, etc. They were a bit rude but they didn't actually do anything.

I finally got a visa for the first time this year. My experience was that calling them to make an appointment doesn't work. I went into the office and made an appointment. They gave me one two months later. That first appointment I had a whole bunch of issues with a marriage license, and had to make another appointment two months later. That time I went, the lady was a terrible woman who yelled and screamed the whole time, but in the end she gave me the visas right there. The newcomers guide to Israel has a whole list of all the documents you need, I highly suggest looking it up ahead of time.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: DovtheBear on June 12, 2014, 04:06:31 PM
Can one get it on once in Israel?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: shauly on June 12, 2014, 04:08:23 PM
Can one get it on once in Israel?

Yeah that's where I did it.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: DovtheBear on June 12, 2014, 04:14:35 PM
Yeah that's where I did it.
OK. So I don't have to worry about it until I get there.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: zw on June 12, 2014, 05:38:21 PM
number?
visa gmach# 0546293184
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on June 25, 2014, 06:44:51 AM
visa gmach# 0546293184
is this the guy that makes the Visa appointments for free?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: zw on June 25, 2014, 06:57:11 AM
is this the guy that makes the Visa appointments for free?
yes
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: hocker on October 28, 2014, 05:11:14 AM
yes
as per the voice mail the gemach is temporarily closed due to issues with misrad hapnim. Anyone have a # to reach the office to make an appointment? 
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Mech on October 28, 2014, 05:23:56 AM

as per the voice mail the gemach is temporarily closed due to issues with misrad hapnim. Anyone have a # to reach the office to make an appointment?
misrad hapnim- *3450
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Hidden on October 28, 2014, 07:28:26 AM
You can get an appointment by fax. I did it a few times. If you need visas for a family of more than 5 people (couple with 3 kids or more), you don't need an appointment.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on October 28, 2014, 08:36:11 AM
as per the voice mail the gemach is temporarily closed due to issues with misrad hapnim. Anyone have a # to reach the office to make an appointment?
best way to make an appointment, send them an email Ashrot-Jerusalem@piba.gov.il, with your passport numbers that you need an appointment.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: hocker on October 29, 2014, 03:51:13 PM
best way to make an appointment, send them an email Ashrot-Jerusalem@piba.gov.il, with your passport numbers that you need an appointment.
Thanks!

I started wiki.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Mech on October 29, 2014, 04:07:40 PM
You can really file for a hanacha for arnona by email without going down to the iriyah??
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on October 29, 2014, 04:46:16 PM
You can really file for a hanacha for arnona by email without going down to the iriyah??
yes, i do it every year
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Mech on October 30, 2014, 06:35:55 AM

yes, i do it every year
I don't have a scanner. Would you know if I would be able to take pictures of all the documents and upload them into the email? Would they accept that?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on October 30, 2014, 04:54:15 PM
I don't have a scanner. Would you know if I would be able to take pictures of all the documents and upload them into the email? Would they accept that?
not sure but i doubt it
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: farvus nisht? on November 09, 2014, 12:39:33 PM
I know of someone that makes visas, he is fast easy and pleasent, pm me for the #
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sammy n on November 09, 2014, 01:55:26 PM

I know of someone that makes visas, he is fast easy and pleasent, pm me for the #
How much does he charge?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: DanH on November 09, 2014, 03:27:56 PM
office@settlewithease.net for an info pack or call 0587388534
they help with setting up everything (visa, etc)
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on November 09, 2014, 06:39:54 PM
in case anyones interested, i emailed my docs to discounts@jerusalem.muni.il on friday and received an email today that my request has been approved for arnona hanacha

What did you write in the body of the email itself?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on November 10, 2014, 02:37:06 AM
What did you write in the body of the email itself?
nothing, just attached filled form and necessary documents
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on November 10, 2014, 03:18:01 AM
nothing, just attached filled form and necessary documents

And for your email address, they simply replied to the email you sent them? Or you had to write it somewhere on the form?

Yes, I realize that something like this should be utterly obvious, but in this country, ya never know. :P
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on November 10, 2014, 03:20:36 AM
And for your email address, they simply replied to the email you sent them?
yes
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on November 27, 2014, 03:44:39 AM
how do i get a birth certificate for an american just born in israel? i know i have to go to the misrad hapnim, but i cant figure out what i need and how to do it. the only thing i dislike more than going to the misrad hapnim is going to the misrad hapnim 2 times.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: farvus nisht? on November 27, 2014, 04:57:25 AM
Take along the birth certificate that they gave you in the hospital, Both parents passports.

when you get to misrad hapnim: don't take a number, you just need to go to YAKOV (I think room 201) and he gives it, (he is the only one that could do it)

You should wait at least a week after the birth because it takes time till it shows up in the system. (that's what they told me once)

MAZEL TOV!
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on November 27, 2014, 05:02:41 AM

Take along the birth certificate that they gave you in the hospital, Both parents passports.

when you get to misrad hapnim: don't take a number, you just need to go to YAKOV (I think room 201) and he gives it, (he is the only one that could do it)

You should wait at least a week after the birth because it takes time till it shows up in the system. (that's what they told me once)

MAZEL TOV!
thanks.
do both parents need to go?
 What about the baby?
Do I need to fill out a form first?
 Do I need an appointment?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: farvus nisht? on November 27, 2014, 05:22:27 AM
My pleasure!

no just one. (even though you could never know with these people, they can change laws and make rules at any given time, but I got one myself 4 weeks ago.

no

no

no
Hatzlacha!


Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on November 27, 2014, 05:27:26 AM

My pleasure!

no just one. (even though you could never know with these people, they can change laws and make rules at any given time, but I got one myself 4 weeks ago.

no

no

no
Hatzlacha!
is there a general consensus on the best time of day to go? 
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: farvus nisht? on November 27, 2014, 05:35:29 AM
AFAIK they only give it in the morning hours (and not in the afternoon on the days that they are open afternoon hours)
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on November 27, 2014, 05:45:16 AM

AFAIK they only give it in the morning hours (and not in the afternoon on the days that they are open afternoon hours)
thanks so much!
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on November 27, 2014, 08:27:44 AM

My pleasure!

no just one. (even though you could never know with these people, they can change laws and make rules at any given time, but I got one myself 4 weeks ago.

no

no

no
Hatzlacha!
one more question. I see in an old newcomers guide that the mother is the one that has to pick up the birth certificate, was that the case by you?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on November 27, 2014, 08:48:24 AM
one more question. I see in an old newcomers guide that the mother is the one that has to pick up the birth certificate, was that the case by you?
you can go yourself
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: The Guy on November 27, 2014, 07:38:23 PM
AFAIK they only give it in the morning hours (and not in the afternoon on the days that they are open afternoon hours)

I once got there half hour before closing and they didn't let anyone in because it was FULL.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on November 30, 2014, 04:58:53 AM

AFAIK they only give it in the morning hours (and not in the afternoon on the days that they are open afternoon hours)
you can go yourself
do I need to take a number or just wait on the line by Yaakov?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Red on November 30, 2014, 05:13:10 AM
do I need to take a number or just wait on the line by Yaakov?
Just go to his room, shouldn't be much of a line there.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: HolyNyc on December 01, 2014, 04:01:15 AM
If the husband is a U.S. citizen and the wife is a dual citizen (us & IL) and doesn't need a visa does the husband need to bring his marriage license?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: shauly on December 01, 2014, 05:19:46 PM
If the husband is a U.S. citizen and the wife is a dual citizen (us & IL) and doesn't need a visa does the husband need to bring his marriage license?

I don't know for sure, but from my experience they only need the marriage license when they are tying two visas together. However, you never know with the misrad hapanim, and I'd bring it anyway.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sammy n on December 09, 2014, 11:04:55 AM
I went to get a hanacha for Arnona  and they said I can only get from when I got visa which was last month. Does that sound right?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Mech on December 09, 2014, 11:24:40 AM

I went to get a hanacha for Arnona  and they said I can only get from when I got visa which was last month. Does that sound right?
I have friends that got told the same thing. Apparently this is the new law. But if you get lucky, like me, there are people that don't realize when your visa was issued and then you can get the hanacha for the whole rental.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sammy n on December 10, 2014, 08:22:42 AM

I have friends that got told the same thing. Apparently this is the new law. But if you get lucky, like me, there are people that don't realize when your visa was issued and then you can get the hanacha for the whole rental.
Thanx. Probably going to go tomorrow again and see if I get lucky...
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Mech on December 10, 2014, 09:08:00 AM

Thanx. Probably going to go tomorrow again and see if I get lucky...
I went 2 times also and both times they didn't say anything. I guess it's all mazel.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: shauly on December 10, 2014, 03:08:34 PM
Is there anywhere to find and print out the Arnona hanacha form online? If I have to go down there to pick one up then I might as well just do it all there.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on December 10, 2014, 03:10:55 PM

Is there anywhere to find and print out the Arnona hanacha form online? If I have to go down there to pick one up then I might as well just do it all there.
they have them in the Mir office if that's closer
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: shauly on December 10, 2014, 03:22:18 PM
they have them in the Mir office if that's closer

Nope. Guess I'll be going in person.

I'm not even sure if I'll be getting anything. I got the discount in March for the entire year for an apartment that I moved out of in the beginning of April. I moved into this apartment in July (officially), to find that the arnona wasn't paid yet. I'm not so concerned about getting it for the first six months, because the first tenant is responsible for that, but I obviously want to get it for the second six. Anyone have experience with this sort of situation?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 10, 2014, 04:41:01 PM
Is there anywhere to find and print out the Arnona hanacha form online? If I have to go down there to pick one up then I might as well just do it all there.
here you go https://www.jerusalem.muni.il/Municipality/Notebook304/Notebook392/Documents/acnasa2014.pdf
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: shauly on December 10, 2014, 05:08:55 PM
Thanks so much!
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 10, 2014, 06:20:57 PM
Thanks so much!
youre welcome
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sammy n on December 11, 2014, 05:18:31 AM

I went 2 times also and both times they didn't say anything. I guess it's all mazel.
I went again today and they said that Bec my wife only got a visa in November even though I had one for the past 3 years she said I only get from November. but she didn't finish it up Bec she said I need a letter from yeshiva that I wasn't last year Oct, Nov, and Dec.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: shauly on December 11, 2014, 07:21:36 AM
I went again today and they said that Bec my wife only got a visa in November even though I had one for the past 3 years she said I only get from November. but she didn't finish it up Bec she said I need a letter from yeshiva that I wasn't last year Oct, Nov, and Dec.

 :-[ :-[ That stinks, I'm sorry!

I submitted it all online, any data points on when I should try calling to see if it all went through?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sammy n on December 11, 2014, 08:27:00 AM

:-[ :-[ That stinks, I'm sorry!

I submitted it all online, any data points on when I should try calling to see if it all went through?
Thanx! Hope all goes well for you!
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Mech on December 11, 2014, 08:36:25 AM

I went again today and they said that Bec my wife only got a visa in November even though I had one for the past 3 years she said I only get from November. but she didn't finish it up Bec she said I need a letter from yeshiva that I wasn't last year Oct, Nov, and Dec.
Thats insane! As frustrating as it is to keep on going back, I would go back and fight with them. Ask to speak to a supervisor. IMHO the only way the have a chance of getting it is by being firm and don't let them trample on you. Don't back down. It is retarded cause it should be toluy in you. Hope everything works out in the end.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: shauly on December 11, 2014, 09:03:58 AM
Thats insane! As frustrating as it is to keep on going back, I would go back and fight with them. Ask to speak to a supervisor. IMHO the only way the have a chance of getting it is by being firm and don't let them trample on you. Don't back down. It is retarded cause it should be toluy in you. Hope everything works out in the end.

The first time I dealt with arnona, I was applying for the discount for that year, and I also wanted to pay for the previous year. I had moved in at the end of the year and there was an issue with the payment, so I just waited until I was going there anyway to deal with it. I wasn't trying to get the discount for the previous year, I just wanted to pay it and be done. After the clerk processed my discount, I showed her the old documents, and she told me to wait a second. She went to talk to someone and when she came back she told me that they normally can't do this but because I sat down calmly and didn't yell and threaten and fight, they were going to give me the discount for the previous year as well.

Moral of the story: be pleasant. Where's the line between being pleasant but firm and just being a pushover? I don't know. But just take everything we learn from talking to phone reps and hope for the best.

Hatzlacha!
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Mech on December 11, 2014, 09:58:41 AM

The first time I dealt with arnona, I was applying for the discount for that year, and I also wanted to pay for the previous year. I had moved in at the end of the year and there was an issue with the payment, so I just waited until I was going there anyway to deal with it. I wasn't trying to get the discount for the previous year, I just wanted to pay it and be done. After the clerk processed my discount, I showed her the old documents, and she told me to wait a second. She went to talk to someone and when she came back she told me that they normally can't do this but because I sat down calmly and didn't yell and threaten and fight, they were going to give me the discount for the previous year as well.

Moral of the story: be pleasant. Where's the line between being pleasant but firm and just being a pushover? I don't know. But just take everything we learn from talking to phone reps and hope for the best.

Hatzlacha!
I agree that your first approach should always be mentchlich and there is no reason to fight with them, as in the case with your story. But once you see that they are going to give you problems, such as in your case now, unfortunately I have learned the hard way many times that being a nice sweet American won't get you anywhere. There is no such thing as logic with them and customer service is not in the Hebrew dictionary or even in the israeli version of the English dictionary. You want something, you gotta show them you want it.
And any time u ask them why??...   ככה
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: shauly on December 15, 2014, 05:33:33 AM
I submitted it all last Thursday, and they wrote back to me this morning requesting one more document. It looks like I'll be getting the discount.  ;D Thanks guys!
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sammy n on December 15, 2014, 06:44:39 AM
I submitted it all last Thursday, and they wrote back to me this morning requesting one more document. It looks like I'll be getting the discount.  ;D Thanks guys!
Good for you!!! :D
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Mech on December 15, 2014, 10:51:47 AM

I submitted it all last Thursday, and they wrote back to me this morning requesting one more document. It looks like I'll be getting the discount.  ;D Thanks guys!
I don't mean to lower ur hopes, but don't rejoice until u actually get it. U never know what can happen. Hopefully u will get it!
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: shauly on December 16, 2014, 02:52:35 AM
I don't mean to lower ur hopes, but don't rejoice until u actually get it. U never know what can happen. Hopefully u will get it!

Yeah, you're right.

Got this this morning:

Quote
שלום רב
בקשתכם להנחה תיבדק ותינתן לכם תשובה בהקדם האפשרי.
לתשומת  ליבכם , קיים צבר ועומס רב של בקשות  עם מתן החלטה בבקשתכם
ישלח מכתב לכתובת הנכס .
*במידה ויש להשלים מסמכים הבקשה מוחזרת בחזרה לתושב
ויש להמציא את כל המסמכים ביחד.
 
ניתן לפנות למוקד הטלפוני  לכל ברור או שאלה 6296333  .
 
*במידה והמכתב מתעכב ולא מגיע לכתובת הנכס לכל ברור
או שאלה ניתן לפנות גם למוקד הטלפוני.
 
בקשת הנחה אינה פוטרת מתשלום חוב הארנונה . חוב הארנונה שאינו משולם במועדו צובר
הפרשי ריבית והצמדה כחוק ובהיעדר תשלום תאלץ העירייה לנקוט בהליכי אכיפה כנגד החייבים.
 
בכבוד רב
ליטל עדיק

Should I call in, or just wait it out?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on December 16, 2014, 02:15:53 PM
Supposedly email no longer works for Arnona discount if you're American
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 16, 2014, 02:39:04 PM
i just heard that 5 minutes ago...  is it confirmed?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: shauly on December 16, 2014, 02:59:04 PM
Supposedly email no longer works for Arnona discount if you're American

Where did you hear? I've gotten pretty far in the process, I really hope they don't shoot me down now.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on December 16, 2014, 03:44:26 PM

Supposedly email no longer works for Arnona discount if you're American
of course not, because I was about to do it
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on December 16, 2014, 04:57:19 PM
i just heard that 5 minutes ago...  is it confirmed?
I heard it about 3-4 weeks ago. Has anyone done it since?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: shauly on December 16, 2014, 05:07:59 PM
I heard it about 3-4 weeks ago. Has anyone done it since?

Well obviously it means absolutely nothing until I've actually gotten the discount, but I'm right near the end.. I sent in all my documents and they've been corresponding with me to get a letter from my baal dira. They didn't shoot me down right from the start at least..
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Mech on December 16, 2014, 05:15:30 PM
 As long as u have all ur papers, it's really not a big deal at all to go down to the iriya. Make sure to go either early in the morning or on Tuesday's at 3pm. The wait in line, especially this time of year can get long.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: shauly on December 16, 2014, 05:18:50 PM
As long as u have all ur papers, it's really not a big deal at all to go down to the iriya. Make sure to go either early in the morning or on Tuesday's at 3pm. The wait in line, especially this time of year can get long.

It's not the end of the world to have to go, but it's just so much easier to not have to go.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Mech on December 16, 2014, 05:27:37 PM

It's not the end of the world to have to go, but it's just so much easier to not have to go.
I would agree if it would be simple, but obviously it's turning out a lot more complicated than u would want it to.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: shauly on December 16, 2014, 06:11:52 PM
I would agree if it would be simple, but obviously it's turning out a lot more complicated than u would want it to.

Not really. Assuming I get the discount in the end, that is. Last time, I drove myself crazy getting everything I needed and trying to make sure it was all perfect. I went to the iriya, waited for a million years, only to hear that I was missing something and had to come back.

This time, they emailed me that I needed a letter from my baal dira, so I got the letter within the hour and emailed it back.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sammy n on December 17, 2014, 04:24:41 AM

Supposedly email no longer works for Arnona discount if you're American
Someone just told me he mailed in all the papers last week and got the hanacha yesterday in the mail.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on December 17, 2014, 04:26:18 AM

Someone just told me he mailed in all the papers last week and got the hanacha yesterday in the mail.
mail as in snail mail or as in email?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sammy n on December 17, 2014, 04:28:08 AM

mail as in snail mail or as in email?
He did 24 hour express mail.
Title: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sammy n on December 17, 2014, 08:28:43 AM
Thats insane! As frustrating as it is to keep on going back, I would go back and fight with them. Ask to speak to a supervisor. IMHO the only way the have a chance of getting it is by being firm and don't let them trample on you. Don't back down. It is retarded cause it should be toluy in you. Hope everything works out in the end.
I went again today, and she first started a hole thing that because my wife only got a visa in November I can only get discount from then. Then I told her that last time I came the lady told me that I can get for half the apartment the discount  and the other half for my wife will only get from November. Then she went to ask her supervisor and came back around 15 minutes later and said this time she'll be able to give me the hole discount but only because I said that I was told that the last time I came!! They have no protocol!! It's crazy!
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: shauly on December 17, 2014, 09:23:06 AM
I went again today, and she first started a hole thing that because my wife only got a visa in November I can only get discount from then. Then I told her that last time I came the lady told me that I can get for half the apartment the discount  and the other half for my wife will only get from November. Then she went to ask her supervisor and came back around 15 minutes later and said this time she'll be able to give me the hole discount but only because I said that I was told that the last time I came!! They have no protocol!! It's crazy!

Well at least it worked in your favor this time! Say tehillim while you are on line.   ;D
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sammy n on December 17, 2014, 09:29:19 AM

Well at least it worked in your favor this time! Say tehillim while you are on line.   ;D
Thats exactly what I did!
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Mech on December 17, 2014, 11:25:34 AM

I went again today, and she first started a hole thing that because my wife only got a visa in November I can only get discount from then. Then I told her that last time I came the lady told me that I can get for half the apartment the discount  and the other half for my wife will only get from November. Then she went to ask her supervisor and came back around 15 minutes later and said this time she'll be able to give me the hole discount but only because I said that I was told that the last time I came!! They have no protocol!! It's crazy!
Great! So happy that it worked out for you!
Btw, how did u tell her? In a "sweet nice" tone or a little "firm"?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 17, 2014, 11:40:52 AM
i emailed it to them last night, got a response this morning that i need to come in. i came in, waited and when it was my turn she asked me if i have the actual passports with me, i put them on the table. she processed the hanacha on the spot without ever actually looking at the passports.

took 1.5 hours from when i got my ticket at the lot until i paid it
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: farvus nisht? on December 17, 2014, 02:29:53 PM
Nice!
Title: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sammy n on December 17, 2014, 03:26:53 PM
Great! So happy that it worked out for you!
Btw, how did u tell her? In a "sweet nice" tone or a little "firm"?
Thanx! I fought a little saying that I had a visa all the time so should get full discount and has nothing to do with my wife. Then after 10-15 minutes with her supervisor she came back and gave it to me.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: shauly on December 18, 2014, 02:32:58 PM
At the risk of opening a whole can of worms.. What does everyone here do regarding the letter stating your income and telling the truth?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Mech on December 18, 2014, 02:59:51 PM

At the risk of opening a whole can of worms.. What does everyone here do regarding the letter stating your income and telling the truth?
Are you working and bringing in $$ on your own?? For some of us that are b"h being supported, saying that your parents pay the rent and you only make money from yeshiva, isn't a lie at all. And if your wife is working, it's anyways either thru an American company or off the books (unless she has a working visa). Would you be reporting that?
I also said that my wife worked for a few years and saved up money before we came to Israel. That's how we have money for food etc..
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 18, 2014, 03:10:13 PM
At the risk of opening a whole can of worms.. What does everyone here do regarding the letter stating your income and telling the truth?
at the risk of opening another can of worms, it might depend on whether you believe they have a right to collect it
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: shauly on December 18, 2014, 03:14:06 PM
Are you working and bringing in $$ on your own?? For some of us that are b"h being supported, saying that your parents pay the rent and you only make money from yeshiva, isn't a lie at all. And if your wife is working, it's anyways either thru an American company or off the books (unless she has a working visa). Would you be reporting that?
I also said that my wife worked for a few years and saved up money before we came to Israel. That's how we have money for food etc..

My wife works for her mother's business. My letter says my in-laws pay our rent directly to the landlord, and that they give us another 3000 shekel every month for living expenses. It's not technically a lie, but also not technically the truth. I feel a little uneasy about doing it, but obviously not enough to not do it. I really do need the discount.

at the risk of opening another can of worms, it might depend on whether you believe they have a right to collect it

 ;)
Title: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Mech on December 18, 2014, 03:21:43 PM
My wife works for her mother's business. My letter says my in-laws pay our rent directly to the landlord, and that they give us another 3000 shekel every month for living expenses. It's not technically a lie, but also not technically the truth. I feel a little uneasy about doing it, but obviously not enough to not do it. I really do need the discount.

 ;)
Sounds pretty true to me. Ur in laws pay directly. Ur the shliach to give over the money. שליח של אדם כמותו.
at the risk of opening another can of worms, it might depend on whether you believe they have a right to collect it
Like most yerushalmis/ briskers;-)
Even my Baal dira, who is a yemenite rebbetzin, told me to do whatever I have to do to get the hanacha.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: shauly on December 18, 2014, 03:30:26 PM
The first time I got the discount, when I was getting my letter the guy at the office asked me how much my I get from my in-laws. I told him an amount, and he handed me the sheet with all the thresholds on it and told me to try again.  ;D
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on December 18, 2014, 03:39:15 PM
The first time I got the discount, when I was getting my letter the guy at the office asked me how much my I get from my in-laws. I told him an amount, and he handed me the sheet with all the thresholds on it and told me to try again.  ;D
wow! only in israel
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 18, 2014, 05:18:36 PM
only in israel
how is that?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on December 19, 2014, 01:21:32 AM

how is that?
im afraid you lost me
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 19, 2014, 03:09:21 AM
im afraid you lost me
i didnt understand your comment is all
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 19, 2014, 04:19:00 AM
My letter says my in-laws pay our rent directly to the landlord, and that they give us another 3000 shekel every month for living expenses.

Copycat! My letter says the exact same thing! Well, "parents" instead of "in-laws". :P
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on December 19, 2014, 04:52:33 AM

i didnt understand your comment is all
spoon fed version below.
The first time I got the discount, when I was getting my letter the guy at the office asked me how much my I get from my in-laws. I told him an amount, and he handed me the sheet with all the thresholds on it and told me to try again.  ;D
i was commenting how when he didn't qualify they gave him the list of how much he is allowed to be earning and told him to restart the process with a new number. As opposed to just telling him he doesn't qualify as the rest of the civilized world would do. He pretty much was telling him to change the number and reapply. Kapish??
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 19, 2014, 09:00:36 AM
spoon fed version below.i was commenting how when he didn't qualify they gave him the list of how much he is allowed to be earning and told him to restart the process with a new number. As opposed to just telling him he doesn't qualify as the rest of the civilized world would do. He pretty much was telling him to change the number and reapply. Kapish??
yeah, but i'm 99% sure he was talking about the rabbi not the iriya. i can see that happening anywhere in the world with the person helping you get the discount.

you obviously understood him to mean the iriya which would never happen in a million years, certainly not in israel

but i love a little condescending once in a while, keeps me in check
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on December 19, 2014, 09:10:01 AM




but i love a little condescending once in a while, keeps me in check
My pleasure
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on December 30, 2014, 07:20:20 AM
anyone know of someone in the ramat eshkol area i can get the letter from a rav from for the hanacha discount?
slightly urgent
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: The Guy on December 30, 2014, 08:04:15 AM
I heard that the misrad hapnim got new electronic machines downstairs,no waiting and will be 100 shek cheaper if renewing a passport by this self service.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 30, 2014, 09:31:39 AM
anyone know of someone in the ramat eshkol area i can get the letter from a rav from for the hanacha discount?
slightly urgent
tik tok
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on December 30, 2014, 09:47:33 AM

tik tok
tell me about it.

I totally forgot about arnona. Classic me I'm doing it tomorrow, the last possible day
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on December 31, 2014, 03:31:20 AM

tik tok
done! In and out in under half hour
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: shauly on December 31, 2014, 04:39:12 AM
done! In and out in under half hour

Mazel tov!

B"H, our discount arrived in the mail this morning.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on December 31, 2014, 04:57:59 AM

Mazel tov!

B"H, our discount arrived in the mail this morning.
in and out doesn't mean It worked out
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: shauly on December 31, 2014, 04:58:48 AM
in and out doesn't mean It worked out

 :'(

What happened?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on December 31, 2014, 05:08:44 AM

:'(

What happened?
they said I still need a letter saying how much I got paid for 2013. Even though I was in America and single
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sammy n on December 31, 2014, 06:56:56 AM

they said I still need a letter saying how much I got paid for 2013. Even though I was in America and single
So just get a letter from your yeshiva that you got xxx amount of money and bring it to them...
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on December 31, 2014, 07:20:55 AM
So just get a letter from your yeshiva that you got xxx amount of money and bring it to them...
i will not lie and say i was here in israel when i wasnt
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Hidden on December 31, 2014, 07:28:17 AM
So get a letter from yeshiva that you didn't get paid for the last there month of last year. It worked for me.
פלוני לא קיבל מגלה בגלל שלא קיבלנו מגלה עבורו מהמשרד הדתות
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Red on December 31, 2014, 07:29:24 AM
they said I still need a letter saying how much I got paid for 2013. Even though I was in America and single
I had this issue when I came too. I got a letter from my Yeshiva in the US and it worked.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sammy n on December 31, 2014, 07:33:07 AM

i will not lie and say i was here in israel when i wasnt
You lied about how much money you make but you won't lie about this? If that's the only way to get the hanacha then a mans gotta do what he's gotta do...
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on December 31, 2014, 07:34:12 AM
You lied about how much money you make but you won't lie about this? If that's the only way to get the hanacha then a mans gotta do what he's gotta do...
i did not lie about how much  made..
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sammy n on December 31, 2014, 07:54:49 AM

i did not lie about how much  made..
Hard to believe that an average American can live on the amount that you must say you have per month.....!
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on January 19, 2015, 02:38:57 AM
Do I need to add my baby to my student visa before I go on vacation to Europe?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on January 19, 2015, 02:44:57 AM
Do I need to add my baby to my student visa before I go on vacation to Europe?
why would you have to?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on January 19, 2015, 02:51:55 AM
why would you have to?
Absolutely no idea. I just want to make sure I would have no problems going in and out without a visa.
For all I know there's a law that if the parents have one then the kids needs one too
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: HolyNyc on January 19, 2015, 08:04:54 AM
Absolutely no idea. I just want to make sure I would have no problems going in and out without a visa.
For all I know there's a law that if the parents have one then the kids needs one too
isn't your baby a Israeli citizen?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on January 19, 2015, 09:00:19 AM
isn't your baby a Israeli citizen?
Nope
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: DanH on January 19, 2015, 11:32:26 AM
Do I need to add my baby to my student visa before I go on vacation to Europe?
In regards to what?  If you're worried about Europe - I don't know; but I doubt they care whether you are in Israel legally.  As far as getting back into USA matters - it doesn't matter.  They will issue child the regular 3-month permit when you get back.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on January 19, 2015, 11:36:28 AM
In regards to what?  If you're worried about Europe - I don't know; but I doubt they care whether you are in Israel legally.  As far as getting back into USA matters - it doesn't matter.  They will issue child the regular 3-month permit when you get back.
In regard to Israel policy and issues with that.  At the end it doesn't really matter as I went down today and was able to get an appointment next week
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: yesitsme on January 19, 2015, 11:52:18 AM
when i was in Israel (5 years) w/o a visa i made appointment before i left, took the paper they gave me date time etc, the way back they asked where is my visa i told them i have a appointment & showed them the paper, worked
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: DanH on January 19, 2015, 11:55:54 AM
In regard to Israel policy and issues with that.  At the end it doesn't really matter as I went down today and was able to get an appointment next week
cool!
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: shauly on January 19, 2015, 06:22:49 PM
In regard to Israel policy and issues with that.  At the end it doesn't really matter as I went down today and was able to get an appointment next week

When you've finished, please post your experience. I need to add my daughter on one of these days..
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on January 19, 2015, 06:23:37 PM
When you've finished, please post your experience. I need to add my daughter on one of these days..
Will do. It seems like a no frills thing
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: DanH on January 19, 2015, 06:45:09 PM
Yes, adding a kid to a student visa is not a big deal at all.
Title: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Mech on January 19, 2015, 06:58:24 PM
Will do. It seems like a no frills thing
Ur kidding right?? I've rarely had a no frills experience with any of these things. You should know that by now.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on January 20, 2015, 02:09:53 AM
Ur kidding right?? I've rarely had a no frills experience with any of these things. You should know that by now.
I'm referring strictly to adding a child onto an existing visa
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on January 20, 2015, 03:51:57 AM
getting a student visa is pretty straightforward
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: farvus nisht? on January 21, 2015, 06:48:31 AM

Just make sure to take with you: birth certificate both parents passports (and to be safe I would take marriage license)
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on January 21, 2015, 06:52:34 AM
(and to be safe I would take marriage license)
they claim you need it
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Red on January 21, 2015, 06:56:58 AM
When I went a few months ago I only brought parents and baby's passports with me and being that the baby was born in Israel she was able to pull up the info herself. Not recommending you do it, just saying you can get away with it.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Red on February 12, 2015, 05:22:21 AM
Can't make visa appointments by going down to misrad hapnim anymore.  >:(
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on February 12, 2015, 05:26:36 AM
Can't make visa appointments by going down to misrad hapnim anymore.  >:(
Huh?  So how do you make one?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Red on February 12, 2015, 05:30:21 AM
Huh?  So how do you make one?
They gave me a card with their phone number and the website. I hung up the phone after no one picking up for over a half an hour. Website allows you to fill out a form and they'll get back to you.  >:(
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on February 12, 2015, 05:32:48 AM
They gave me a card with their phone number and the website. I hung up the phone after no one picking up for over a half an hour. Website allows you to fill out a form and they'll get back to you.  >:(
I'm hoping then that they changed the phone and online system, they almost never call you back from the form and you never get through when calling. 
And now there won't be a way to push to get an earlier date
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Red on February 12, 2015, 05:36:07 AM
I'm hoping then that they changed the phone and online system, they almost never call you back from the form and you never get through when calling. 
And now there won't be a way to push to get an earlier date
Was really annoying, two people just sitting there doing nothing with the appointment book sitting there on the desk. One of them tells me sorry you need to call or do it online, I look at the book and back at him and he just smirked back at me.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Red on February 25, 2015, 07:02:43 AM
So apparently being that we're a family of five we can no longer make appointments to get visas, we have to submit all the paperwork and they call when the visa is ready.
And a classic story. A friend brought in both his paperwork and mine, same exact letter from yeshiva. He gets a call that his visa is ready, I get a call that the letter is not acceptable due to some problem with the language and signature.  ::)
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: hocker on March 25, 2015, 10:45:59 AM
Anywhere I can get Bituach Leumi forms?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: ashers on March 25, 2015, 10:50:55 AM
Anywhere I can get Bituach Leumi forms?
on their website....
 Heres a direct link to the forms
http://www.btl.gov.il/%D7%98%D7%A4%D7%A1%D7%99%D7%9D%20%D7%95%D7%90%D7%99%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D/forms/Pages/default.aspx (http://www.btl.gov.il/%D7%98%D7%A4%D7%A1%D7%99%D7%9D%20%D7%95%D7%90%D7%99%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D/forms/Pages/default.aspx)
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: hocker on March 25, 2015, 11:14:51 AM
on their website....
 Heres a direct link to the forms
http://www.btl.gov.il/%D7%98%D7%A4%D7%A1%D7%99%D7%9D%20%D7%95%D7%90%D7%99%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D/forms/Pages/default.aspx (http://www.btl.gov.il/%D7%98%D7%A4%D7%A1%D7%99%D7%9D%20%D7%95%D7%90%D7%99%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D/forms/Pages/default.aspx)
Sorry for not being more specific. I need the form for Yeshiva students to sign up. I couldn't find it there.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: DanH on March 25, 2015, 06:57:34 PM
Sorry for not being more specific. I need the form for Yeshiva students to sign up. I couldn't find it there.
It's regular rishum nefesh, iirc.  although afaik students dont get btl, they get meuchedet (or regular non-government insurance)
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Got a clue on April 21, 2015, 04:35:44 AM
If I am currently here on a student visa, and want to be able to work, do I need to get a new visa? Or do they just add permitted to work onto the student one?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: DanH on April 21, 2015, 06:06:51 AM
If I am currently here on a student visa, and want to be able to work, do I need to get a new visa? Or do they just add permitted to work onto the student one?
Both.  They need to print out a new one that says permitted to work.  But good luck getting that :)
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on April 21, 2015, 06:33:25 AM
Both.  They need to print out a new one that says permitted to work.  But good luck getting that :)
Is it really hard? I have a friend who went yesterday and they asked him if he wants a working visa, and they gave him one on the spot without asking anything else
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: DanH on April 21, 2015, 07:13:43 AM
Is it really hard? I have a friend who went yesterday and they asked him if he wants a working visa, and they gave him one on the spot without asking anything else
Lucky him!
Officially it is a long process, not necessarily hard.  You need additional papers (a rabbi from where you're from saying you are jewish, iirc), and it takes them a while to process it, then you need to go back and they put it in your passport.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Got a clue on April 21, 2015, 08:16:20 AM
Lucky him!
Officially it is a long process, not necessarily hard.  You need additional papers (a rabbi from where you're from saying you are jewish, iirc), and it takes them a while to process it, then you need to go back and they put it in your passport.

Is there a list where I can find out which additional papers I need? Also, do my wifes and childrens passports also get changed?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Mech on April 21, 2015, 01:35:12 PM
Does my baby need a visa in order to receive benefits from betuach leumi?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: DanH on April 21, 2015, 01:35:39 PM
Is there a list where I can find out which additional papers I need? Also, do my wifes and childrens passports also get changed?
Only one that needs changing is the one who's visa is changing :)
I don't remember which papers you need, but you can call them: *3450
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: DanH on April 21, 2015, 01:36:16 PM
Does my baby need a visa in order to receive benefits from betuach leumi?
You mean Kitzvat Yeladim?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Mech on April 21, 2015, 01:39:33 PM

You mean Kitzvat Yeladim?
Whats that?
I meant for them to pay whatever they pay for Meuchedet.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Got a clue on April 21, 2015, 04:40:24 PM
Only one that needs changing is the one who's visa is changing :)
I don't remember which papers you need, but you can call them: *3450

Thanks
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: DanH on April 21, 2015, 04:43:54 PM
Whats that?
I meant for them to pay whatever they pay for Meuchedet.
No.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Got a clue on April 21, 2015, 04:45:11 PM
No.

U can receive Kitzvat Yiladim, and receive Bituach Leumi coverage without your kid having a visa?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: DanH on April 21, 2015, 06:00:00 PM
U can receive Kitzvat Yiladim, and receive Bituach Leumi coverage without your kid having a visa?
Bituach Leumi will only pay for kupat cholim if child has visa, IIRC.  because in order to add kid you need to do rishum nefesh which requires visa.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Mech on May 04, 2015, 06:48:03 AM
Do I need a picture of my baby to get him a visa?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: monkey on May 06, 2015, 12:45:22 PM
Hi,

I'm new here.

Thanks for all this info.

I just got married and got to Israel. I don't have my marriage license here. Would a kesuba work? :/
Do I need to include any info when sending a email requesting a appointment?
Thanks
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: DanH on May 06, 2015, 03:27:19 PM
Hi,

I'm new here.

Thanks for all this info.

I just got married and got to Israel. I don't have my marriage license here. Would a kesuba work? :/
Do I need to include any info when sending a email requesting a appointment?
Thanks
You need marriage license.
Visa registration - http://www.piba.gov.il/UsefullInfo/ZimunTor/Pages/Regfr.aspx
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: monkey on May 06, 2015, 04:27:49 PM
Thanks. Any idea what to do if I don't have a marriage license here?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: DanH on May 06, 2015, 04:45:46 PM
Thanks. Any idea what to do if I don't have a marriage license here?
Get it here :)
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Mech on May 06, 2015, 05:01:11 PM

Thanks. Any idea what to do if I don't have a marriage license here?
A friend of mine told me that he's not officially married in the states and he was told by the Misrad Hapnim that there is a certain Beis Din in Givat Shaul that he can go to and bring his kesuba and I guess they look into you and they can issue you some type of "Marraige license" that is acceptable enough. I'll try to get more info on it.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: shauly on May 06, 2015, 05:31:06 PM
I had the same issue. I had no marriage license, but I needed visas. Whole long story, but to get a license you need visas and to get visas you need a license.

There's a way to get by without an "official" license. Pm me if you are interested.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: monkey on May 19, 2015, 01:07:18 PM
Did anyone recently have any success with making an appointment by sending then an email?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on May 27, 2015, 11:45:18 AM
Does anyone know how long it takes to get the student visa once you drop it off for a family of 5?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Hidden on May 27, 2015, 01:04:01 PM
Does anyone know how long it takes to get the student visa once you drop it off for a family of 5?
Did you ask for rush?
I asked for rush and got it in 2 days.
Friend of mine did the same and got it in two and a half weeks.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: yitrap on May 27, 2015, 01:15:08 PM
Did anyone recently have any success with making an appointment by sending then an email?
BUMP, try this link http://www.piba.gov.il/USEFULLINFO/ZIMUNTOR/Pages/Regfr.aspx
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: a mirrer on May 28, 2015, 12:41:27 PM
BUMP, try this link http://www.piba.gov.il/USEFULLINFO/ZIMUNTOR/Pages/Regfr.aspx
i used it 9 months ago and got back an automated response and that was it no actual followup but 2 years ago it did work so i guess ymmv
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: yitrap on May 28, 2015, 12:44:34 PM
i used it 9 months ago and got back an automated response and that was it no actual followup but 2 years ago it did work so i guess ymmv
I used it 5 months ago it works
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: DanH on June 23, 2015, 03:35:15 AM
If both parents have a student visa, what must be done to add a child to the visa?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: DanH on June 23, 2015, 03:37:52 AM
Has anyone heard about this change in regards to obtaining a student visa?  Supposedly changed June 10th.
http://www.piba.gov.il/Subject/VisaAndPosition/Pages/extending_yeshiva_permits.aspx
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: andrew on June 23, 2015, 05:55:05 AM
Has anyone heard about this change in regards to obtaining a student visa?  Supposedly changed June 10th.
http://www.piba.gov.il/Subject/VisaAndPosition/Pages/extending_yeshiva_permits.aspx
Email israelishortcut@gmail.com for all questions, they are an organization that helps foreigners. It is a free service. They are very knowledgeable.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Hidden on June 23, 2015, 06:23:26 AM
Has anyone heard about this change in regards to obtaining a student visa?  Supposedly changed June 10th.
http://www.piba.gov.il/Subject/VisaAndPosition/Pages/extending_yeshiva_permits.aspx
Only for bochurim, according to the link. For families everything stays the same.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on June 23, 2015, 07:20:01 AM
If both parents have a student visa, what must be done to add a child to the visa?
dunno what you need to bring but you don't need an appointment anymore
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sammy n on June 23, 2015, 07:53:37 AM
dunno what you need to bring but you don't need an appointment anymore
Officially you need all the passports your marriage license and pictures of the baby and the form all filled out.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on June 23, 2015, 07:55:57 AM
dunno what you need to bring but you don't need an appointment anymore
No appointment needed only in this case, or for all student visas?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sammy n on June 23, 2015, 07:57:28 AM
No appointment needed only in this case, or for all student visas?
For adding a baby.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Got a clue on June 23, 2015, 02:26:17 PM


Heard from someone today that you can go down to Misrad and schedule a visa appointment in person..
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sammy n on June 23, 2015, 02:27:01 PM

Heard from someone today that you can go down to Misrad and schedule a visa appointment in person..
For a baby or regular person?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Red on June 23, 2015, 04:27:01 PM

Heard from someone today that you can go down to Misrad and schedule a visa appointment in person..
They change their minds there every week.  ::)
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Got a clue on June 25, 2015, 07:29:24 AM
They change their minds there every week.  ::)

Update- went down this morning.  For a kid as long as you and your wife have visas you can wait to get a visa for baby. You need parents passports, babies passport, and birth certificate ( if baby born abroad). No picture of baby needed. As for making an appointment, you are able to schedule one in person. I was able to get one for next week..
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sammy n on June 30, 2015, 02:06:16 PM
Update- went down this morning.  For a kid as long as you and your wife have visas you can wait to get a visa for baby. You need parents passports, babies passport, and birth certificate ( if baby born abroad). No picture of baby needed. As for making an appointment, you are able to schedule one in person. I was able to get one for next week..
So you need an appointment for a kid? Can't just walk in??
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Got a clue on June 30, 2015, 02:10:25 PM
So you need an appointment for a kid? Can't just walk in??

Guess that was not clear enough. For a kid you can just walk in. For yourself/wife instead of having to email/call and get no response, you can now go to the office and make an appointment in person
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sammy n on June 30, 2015, 02:16:45 PM
Guess that was not clear enough. For a kid you can just walk in. For yourself/wife instead of having to email/call and get no response, you can now go to the office and make an appointment in person
Ah ok thanx!! Plan on going Thursday morning.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Got a clue on June 30, 2015, 02:30:23 PM
Ah ok thanx!! Plan on going Thursday morning.

If you are going for kid there is no need to wait on the original line when you walk in. Make sure to inform one of the ladies working by booths you are there for kid visa and ask them where to wait..
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sammy n on June 30, 2015, 02:54:54 PM
If you are going for kid there is no need to wait on the original line when you walk in. Make sure to inform one of the ladies working by booths you are there for kid visa and ask them where to wait..
Tnx will do.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Abet rich on June 30, 2015, 03:22:46 PM
Can somebody give a short step by step on how to get a visa?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sammy n on July 01, 2015, 07:32:05 PM
 What time does the misrad hapnim open in the morning?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Mech on July 01, 2015, 07:43:11 PM

What time does the misrad hapnim open in the morning?
Sun, Mon, Tues, Thurs 8-12. Mon 2:30 - 5:00pm. Wed 1:30 - 5:00 pm
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sammy n on July 01, 2015, 07:48:24 PM
Sun, Mon, Tues, Thurs 8-12. Mon 2:30 - 5:00pm. Wed 1:30 - 5:00 pm
Thanx!
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: DanH on July 06, 2015, 02:44:30 AM
Sun, Mon, Tues, Thurs 8-12. Mon 2:30 - 5:00pm. Wed 1:30 - 5:00 pm
Are you sure that the Visa department is open those days/hours as well?  My wife went last week wednesday and visa department was closed (She only got knisot vyitziot).

ETA:
Google says: Sun, Mon, Tue, Thur: 8:00-12:00  for Visa department
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sammy n on July 06, 2015, 02:46:12 AM
Are you sure that the Visa department is open those days/hours as well?  My wife went last week wednesday and visa department was closed (She only got knisot vyitziot)
Wednesday is closed for visas.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: kalman on July 12, 2015, 09:43:22 PM
I left Israel five years and did not cancel my bituach leumi. Does anyone know what the story is with that?
I am going to Israel in a couple of weeks and and hoping not to be hit at the airport with a bill for thousands of shekel.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on August 22, 2015, 07:34:39 PM
Wanna make now an Hanacha for Arnona, is it an issue if my daughter dosent have a visa? will they accept it without it?
Or i can just leave her out from the form, but will they recognize that last year she was on my household?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Got a clue on August 23, 2015, 07:36:43 AM
Wanna make now an Hanacha for Arnona, is it an issue if my daughter dosent have a visa? will they accept it without it?
Or i can just leave her out from the form, but will they recognize that last year she was on my household?

You can leave her off but then you must receive less $$ (as you have one less "nefesh"). They will not realize she was on form last year. YMMV regarding putting a kid on if she does not have a visa. Some of my friends went through an external office (I think Agudah??) and they did not require a visa..
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: philbenjoe on September 01, 2015, 04:01:42 AM
Wasn't sure where to post. Does Bank Hadoar accept credit card to pay for bills? Also is it possible to pay for only part of an arnona bill? (I got a hanacha so it's a bill for a complete year). TIA
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on September 01, 2015, 04:34:20 AM


Also is it possible to pay for only part of an arnona bill? (I got a hanacha so it's a bill for a complete year). TIA
yes, there's a number on the bill to call

Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: philbenjoe on September 01, 2015, 04:36:41 AM
Thanks.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on September 01, 2015, 07:31:12 AM
Wasn't sure where to post. Does Bank Hadoar accept credit card to pay for bills?
no
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on October 07, 2015, 03:34:15 AM
How do I get an appointment nowadays to renew a visa? Have to go in?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sammy n on October 07, 2015, 04:22:07 AM
How do I get an appointment nowadays to renew a visa? Have to go in?
Last I heard there's a call center you must call to make an appointment but that could have changed already a few times because they can easily change their rules twice a day!
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: yitrap on October 07, 2015, 04:36:16 AM

How do I get an appointment nowadays to renew a visa? Have to go in?
Try this-
http://www.piba.gov.il/USEFULLINFO/ZIMUNTOR/Pages/Regfr.aspx
They usually call within two days to schedule appointment.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on October 07, 2015, 04:40:18 AM
Try this-
http://www.piba.gov.il/USEFULLINFO/ZIMUNTOR/Pages/Regfr.aspx
They usually call within two days to schedule appointment.
Thanks. I never had luck with that but I'll try
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: yitrap on October 07, 2015, 04:46:05 AM

Thanks. I never had luck with that but I'll try
Requesting an email has never worked for me either but I've never had an issue when requesting a phone call.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Hidden on October 07, 2015, 05:03:28 AM
I left Israel five years and did not cancel my bituach leumi. Does anyone know what the story is with that?
I am going to Israel in a couple of weeks and and hoping not to be hit at the airport with a bill for thousands of shekel.
Update please?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on October 20, 2015, 05:58:28 AM
To renew a visa, I need all the same documents that I needed to get the visa originally? Pictures, Letter from yeshiva,...
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Mech on October 20, 2015, 06:27:49 AM

To renew a visa, I need all the same documents that I needed to get the visa originally? Pictures, Letter from yeshiva,...
YOU are gonna need a paper saying that ur still Jewish!
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on October 20, 2015, 07:45:54 AM
To renew a visa, I need all the same documents that I needed to get the visa originally? Pictures, Letter from yeshiva,...

yes

to add a child, no, just some
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Zevi16 on October 25, 2015, 06:51:44 AM
I had an appointment and the lady said the passport is dirty so she not giving me a visa... They make me nuts
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on October 25, 2015, 06:52:42 AM
I had an appointment and the lady said the passport is dirty so she not giving me a visa... They make me nuts

welcome to the great state of israel
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sammy n on October 25, 2015, 06:58:28 AM
I had an appointment and the lady said the passport is dirty so she not giving me a visa... They make me nuts
Wow! That's a new one. Haven't heard that one before!!
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Zevi16 on October 25, 2015, 07:01:36 AM
Wow! That's a new one. Haven't heard that one before!!


welcome to the great state of israel

Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on October 25, 2015, 07:02:14 AM
I had an appointment and the lady said the passport is dirty so she not giving me a visa... They make me nuts
What do you mean by "dirty"?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Zevi16 on October 25, 2015, 07:11:57 AM
What do you mean by "dirty"?
Dusty
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on October 25, 2015, 07:16:57 AM
Dusty
I find it very hard to believe that you walked out if there without a visa simply because its dusty
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: farvus nisht? on October 25, 2015, 02:23:40 PM
I find it very hard to believe that you walked out if there without a visa simply because its dusty

+1, did you try the screaming tactic (you gotta speak there language)
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Zevi16 on October 25, 2015, 02:28:51 PM
+1, did you try the screaming tactic (you gotta speak there language)
She said it's dirty and go get a new one.and then she just called the next number and ignored me totally.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Got a clue on October 25, 2015, 02:44:30 PM
She said it's dirty and go get a new one.and then she just called the next number and ignored me totally.

And you just left??
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Zevi16 on October 25, 2015, 02:50:30 PM
Yup .made a appointment and left
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sammy n on October 25, 2015, 03:47:26 PM
Yup .made a appointment and left
You can make an appointment there in person? Is that the way to do it these days?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Zevi16 on October 25, 2015, 03:57:01 PM
You can make an appointment there in person? Is that the way to do it these days?
They told me it's the only way. After trying to call and email for 3 months.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on October 25, 2015, 03:58:53 PM
You can make an appointment there in person? Is that the way to do it these days?
yes, there are three ways that i know of to make an appointment
1) in person
2) fill out the online form, they used to never call back but now they have started
3) zev by the israel shortcut office
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sammy n on October 25, 2015, 04:00:27 PM

yes, there are three ways that i know of to make an appointment
1) in person
2) fill out the online form, they used to never call back but now they have started
3) zev by the israel shortcut office
Whats this Zev shortcut office all about?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on October 25, 2015, 04:02:50 PM
Whats this Zev shortcut office all about?
Zev, the famous Mir dira guy opened up an organization to help people with misrad hapnim and other government issues
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Zevi16 on October 25, 2015, 04:06:06 PM
Zev, the famous Mir dira guy opened up an organization to help people with misrad hapnim and other government issues
Is there a number? And I never got a call back btw from the online form.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on October 25, 2015, 04:08:02 PM
Is there a number? And I never got a call back btw from the online form.
There is a number but I don't have it offhand. I tried out the form a couple times and got called back within 48 hours, they will only call once
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Abet rich on October 25, 2015, 04:25:04 PM
She said it's dirty and go get a new one.and then she just called the next number and ignored me totally.
Which lady was this?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Zevi16 on October 25, 2015, 04:29:24 PM
Which lady was this?
Dalya
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Abet rich on October 25, 2015, 04:33:32 PM
Dalya
I have Raaya next month. Anybody knows if she is known to be strict and make problems?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Zevi16 on October 25, 2015, 04:42:35 PM
I have Raaya next month. Anybody knows if she is known to be strict and make problems?
Omg your doomed
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Abet rich on October 25, 2015, 05:19:24 PM
Omg your doomed
Seriously or are you joking around?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Zevi16 on October 25, 2015, 05:22:08 PM
Seriously or are you joking around?
I'm serious.but if you come with ALL the right documents you'll be fine. They are both bad, just dalya is mean with a smile
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on October 25, 2015, 05:40:04 PM
you probably should have gone to the manager

i also find the best approach is not to scream but rather the opposite, killing them with kindness
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: yitrap on October 25, 2015, 08:20:48 PM
Is there a number? And I never got a call back btw from the online form.
+972 50-4144385
That's his cell.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on October 26, 2015, 03:04:18 AM


I'm serious.but if you come with ALL the right documents you'll be fine. They are both bad, just dalya is mean with a smile

I, like everyone everyone else despises going to the misrad hapnim. That being said it's not really worse then any country, I bet you haven't been anywhere else.
In your derogatory description of these people you said " if you come with ALL the right documents you'll be fine." Why the hell should she give in to you when you don't have the right papers, is that really a complaint on her and not your unorganized self? Go try to get a visa in america while missing some forms and report back.
 I have dalya this Thursday and will ask about the dusty passport, still doesn't make sense
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sammy n on October 26, 2015, 03:16:37 AM

I, like everyone everyone else despises going to the misrad hapnim. That being said it's not really worse then any country, I bet you haven't been anywhere else.
In your derogatory description of these people you said " if you come with ALL the right documents you'll be fine." Why the hell should she give in to you when you don't have the right papers, is that really a complaint on her and not your unorganized self? Go try to get a visa in america while missing some forms and report back.
 I have dalya this Thursday and will ask about the dusty passport, still doesn't make sense
I'm not saying your totally wrong but I would say it's not 100% the same here as it is everywhere else. I was once requested a letter stating that I "wasnt" here before a certain date and I had a letter clearly stating when I came. (this wasn't for a visa but it's the idea of this country dealing with things a little differently when it comes to these type of things) I don't belive you'll find that anywhere else.
I still do agree with you that if you come trying to get something and are missing some type of form or papers that you are supposed to have there's no reason they should give it to you.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Zevi16 on October 26, 2015, 03:20:14 AM

I, like everyone everyone else despises going to the misrad hapnim. That being said it's not really worse then any country, I bet you haven't been anywhere else.
In your derogatory description of these people you said " if you come with ALL the right documents you'll be fine." Why the hell should she give in to you when you don't have the right papers, is that really a complaint on her and not your unorganized self? Go try to get a visa in america while missing some forms and report back.
 I have dalya this Thursday and will ask about the dusty passport, still doesn't make sense
Firstly, obviously you need certain documents but for some reason every second person gets told different things. Is that normal? Am I being 'unorganized'? How am I supposed to know that a school document that worked for my chavrusa suddenly won't work for me? So thats what I mean by bringing all documents.
Secondly I have dealt with other countries visa. I had an american student visa for 5 years and I know how they work. It goes by the book, if the lady doesn't let something that you know is ok , you go to the manager. It doesn't work like that here.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: farvus nisht? on October 26, 2015, 06:10:05 AM

I, like everyone everyone else despises going to the misrad hapnim. That being said it's not really worse then any country, I bet you haven't been anywhere else.
In your derogatory description of these people you said " if you come with ALL the right documents you'll be fine." Why the hell should she give in to you when you don't have the right papers, is that really a complaint on her and not your unorganized self? Go try to get a visa in america while missing some forms and report back.
 I have dalya this Thursday and will ask about the dusty passport, still doesn't make sense
You have a point, but its not just like you say, the problem starts that they themselves don't enforce the rules always, for example some times they'll accept a copy of a marriage licence and wont even tell you that you officially need the original, or sometimes they will just look on the letter of the yeshiva and put in the mispar amuta and your just fine, or sometimes they'll tell u - it doesn't say the hours that you learn there, or it doesn't say how long your gonna continue learning, or from when u r  a student , or this person cannot sign you need the rosh yeshiva, or you need pictures from all applicants... and at the same time your friend that went yesterday and tomorrow got thru with all these documents and no pictures at all with out a boo.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Zevi16 on October 26, 2015, 07:03:03 AM
You have a point, but its not just like you say, the problem starts that they themselves don't enforce the rules always, for example some times they'll accept a copy of a marriage licence and wont even tell you that you officially need the original, or sometimes they will just look on the letter of the yeshiva and put in the mispar amuta and your just fine, or sometimes they'll tell u - it doesn't say the hours that you learn there, or it doesn't say how long your gonna continue learning, or from when u r  a student , or this person cannot sign you need the rosh yeshiva, or you need pictures from all applicants... and at the same time your friend that went yesterday and tomorrow got thru with all these documents and no pictures at all with out a boo.
+1 exactly my point.  Obviously you need documents but don't be bipolar about them
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: farvus nisht? on October 29, 2015, 02:16:19 PM

I, like everyone everyone else despises going to the misrad hapnim. That being said it's not really worse then any country, I bet you haven't been anywhere else.
In your derogatory description of these people you said " if you come with ALL the right documents you'll be fine." Why the hell should she give in to you when you don't have the right papers, is that really a complaint on her and not your unorganized self? Go try to get a visa in america while missing some forms and report back.
I have dalya this Thursday and will ask about the dusty passport, still doesn't make sense
update?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Zevi16 on October 31, 2015, 05:51:21 PM
Does anyone know if a lady can go on bituach leumi without being married?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Zevi16 on November 01, 2015, 04:03:10 AM

I, like everyone everyone else despises going to the misrad hapnim. That being said it's not really worse then any country, I bet you haven't been anywhere else.
In your derogatory description of these people you said " if you come with ALL the right documents you'll be fine." Why the hell should she give in to you when you don't have the right papers, is that really a complaint on her and not your unorganized self? Go try to get a visa in america while missing some forms and report back.
 I have dalya this Thursday and will ask about the dusty passport, still doesn't make sense
OK I feel like making a TR about my events here. To be extremely frank. I had an appointment at 9:15 am. I arrived At 9am. At 10:00 after not being called and being told to get away a bunch of times I asked her why I haven't been called yet. She said my name was not on the Calendar. That's not considered normal. I had to fight for 25 min till they agreed to give me another one right away. 
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: farvus nisht? on November 01, 2015, 07:34:34 AM
Does anyone know if a lady can go on bituach leumi without being married?
Only if her visa is an A2
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Zevi16 on November 01, 2015, 07:43:45 AM
Only if her visa is an A2
What if she is Israeli that is returning
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: farvus nisht? on November 01, 2015, 09:33:15 AM
What if she is Israeli that is returning
All Israeli people can get Bituach Leumi (she may first have to pay her bill)
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Zevi16 on November 01, 2015, 12:20:18 PM
All Israeli people can get Bituach Leumi (she may first have to pay her bill)
How? I've tried
Title: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Mech on December 22, 2015, 09:36:01 AM
What is the process now to get a visa appointment? Call in? Go down there? Email?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Red on December 22, 2015, 09:40:59 AM
What is the process now to get a visa appointment? Call in? Go down there? Email?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on December 22, 2015, 09:44:34 AM
What is the process now to get a visa appointment? Call in? Go down there? Email?
There is an online form to fill out and they officially call you back within 48 hours, they called me 50% of the time
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Abet rich on December 22, 2015, 09:53:44 AM
What is the process now to get a visa appointment? Call in? Go down there? Email?
Best option is go down between 8-12 in the morn
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Zevi16 on December 22, 2015, 10:30:19 AM
Best option is go down between 8-12 in the morn
+1 is the only way
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Mech on December 22, 2015, 10:34:34 AM
Thanx
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on December 22, 2015, 11:24:41 AM
+1 is the only way
May be simpler but thats def an untrue statement
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Zevi16 on December 22, 2015, 11:35:21 AM
May be simpler but thats def an untrue statement
Last time I went they said that's the only way these days.  Besides the fact that I've tired online numerous times with no response.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: emjee on December 23, 2015, 05:29:45 AM
What is the process now to get a visa appointment? Call in? Go down there? Email?

There is an online form to fill out and they officially call you back within 48 hours, they called me 50% of the time

Best option is go down between 8-12 in the morn

+1 is the only way

May be simpler but thats def an untrue statement

Last time I went they said that's the only way these days.  Besides the fact that I've tired online numerous times with no response.
DROPR . It works online . You probably missed their private number call. You can choose to get notified via SMS as well.
Other options are to use Dagan or navigate israel
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Zevi16 on December 23, 2015, 05:33:20 AM
DROPR . It works online . You probably missed their private number call. You can choose to get notified via SMS as well.
Other options are to use Dagan or navigate israel
Dagan gets you an appointment or a visa?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: emjee on December 23, 2015, 05:55:30 AM
Dagan gets you an appointment or a visa?
Pmed you
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on December 23, 2015, 05:59:53 AM
DROPR . It works online . You probably missed their private number call. You can choose to get notified via SMS as well.
Other options are to use Dagan or navigate israel
Or go to Israeli shortcut and Zev can get you one
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on December 23, 2015, 06:01:36 AM
Dagan gets you an appointment or a visa?
He charges ridiculous prices nowadays, no?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: emjee on December 23, 2015, 06:18:36 AM
He charges ridiculous prices nowadays, no?
Iirc - For appointments it's 200. StudVisas I believe is 400 a person. Working visas : go with navigate israel. They're half the price than Dagan.  I have a suspicion that Dagan actually uses them himself
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: emjee on December 23, 2015, 06:21:37 AM
Or go to Israeli shortcut and Zev can get you one
Huh?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on December 23, 2015, 06:24:20 AM
Huh?
What's the confusion?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: elya on December 23, 2015, 06:31:37 AM
What is the process now to get a visa appointment? Call in? Go down there? Email?
Email your info to israelishortcut@gmail.com, and someone from Misrad Hapnim will call you within the next 3 days. They usually give you an appointment within the month IME. This service is free as of now.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on December 23, 2015, 06:41:09 AM
Email your info to israelishortcut@gmail.com, and someone from Misrad Hapnim will call you within the next 3 days. They usually give you an appointment within the month IME. This service is free as of now.
do they just fill out the standard form?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: emjee on December 23, 2015, 06:42:56 AM
What's the confusion?
Zev the guy who asked the question or some other Zev you talking about?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on December 23, 2015, 06:44:27 AM
Zev the guy who asked the question or some other Zev you talking about?
oh lol, Different guy
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: elya on December 23, 2015, 06:45:27 AM
do they just fill out the standard form?
I have no idea what they do. but the 2 times I used them, I got a call the next day giving me an appointment in about 3 weeks time.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: emjee on December 23, 2015, 06:54:11 AM
oh lol, Different guy
Lol
I have no idea what they do. but the 2 times I used them, I got a call the next day giving me an appointment in about 3 weeks time.
Do they charge? If yes it's the same thing as all these other guys. They have a deal with the reps @- I mean under the desk
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: elya on December 23, 2015, 06:59:04 AM
LolDo they charge? If yes it's the same thing as all these other guys. They have a deal with the reps @- I mean under the desk
As mentioned earlier, this service is completely free as of now.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: emjee on December 23, 2015, 07:19:15 AM
As mentioned earlier, this service is completely free as of now.
Missed that one. Good to know . PIF!
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: elya on December 23, 2015, 07:21:52 AM
Missed that one. Good to know . PIF!
PIF?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: emjee on December 23, 2015, 07:25:21 AM
PIF?
Pay/ing it forward . - term used when one receives a positive experience or gains worthwhile knowledge/information and passes it on to others to gain as well. :)
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on December 23, 2015, 07:25:44 AM
PIF?
pay it forward?
EDIT: apparently correct
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: elya on December 23, 2015, 07:29:44 AM
Pay/ing it forward . - term used when one receives a positive experience or gains worthwhile knowledge/information and passes it on to others to gain as well. :)
Figured that's what it meant, however couldn't fathom how it would make sense in this context.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: elya on December 23, 2015, 12:42:32 PM
 It seems the Misrad Hapnim hasnt been calling applicants even through Israeli shortcut in the last few days.


Here is the email Israeli shortcut sent out to everyone that hasnt received calls,


 Hi,



 We wanted to let you that Israeli Shortcut has spoken with the manager of
 Misrad Hapnim customer services Mrs. Penina, and we have come to an
 agreement. That in the situation that you have attempted to make an
 appointment through the Misrad Hapnim (even in the event where Israeli
 Shortcut has acted for you to make an appointment), and the Misrad Hapnim
 has not gotten in touch with them. If you have an email (2 would be better)
 which can prove that you have attempted to make an appointment, you may
 send an email to Mrs. Penina (even in English) mentioning your problem,
 with your private information (with the dates of Misrad Hapnim's email),
 and a number she can reach you on, (you may mention that Zev from Kitzur
 Derech B'Israel forwarded you her email).

 We came to an agreement that, in the event that you sent her an email, and
 after investigating the case Mrs. Penina sees there is a problem on the
 Misrad Hapnim's behalf, she promises to act accordingly and arrange for a
 breakthrough solution in the Misrad Hapnim to solve the problem for all
 foreign citizens.

 Her e-mail is:  info@piba.gov.il (For Mrs. Penina).

 In the event that the Misrad Hapnim arranged an appointment, don't forget
 to send us an email notifying us that you got an appointment.

 P.S.

 We ask of you, please before contacting Mrs. Penina please check thoroughly
 and make sure that the Misrad Hapnim did not contact you at all.

 Let us hold hands, and together we'll win the fight.

 Thank You for working with us.

Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Yisroel klein on December 23, 2015, 04:32:52 PM
there is a request to help israelishortcut doing its work by donating at israelishortcut.org
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: elya on January 03, 2016, 07:44:07 AM
Data point:
 Was in Misrad Hapnim this morning to get a visa for myself/wife/child, entire ordeal took under 10 minutes!
 Got the visas on the spot.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on January 05, 2016, 10:07:17 AM
Dont know if this belongs in this thread...   Im moving back to NY after being in Israel a couple years, I have here Bituach leumi, How do I cancel it? (Im not an israeli)
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on January 05, 2016, 10:16:44 AM
Dont know if this belongs in this thread...   Im moving back to NY after being in Israel a couple years, I have here Bituach leumi, How do I cancel it? (Im not an israeli)
Tried just calling them?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: emjee on January 05, 2016, 07:04:54 PM
Dont know if this belongs in this thread...   Im moving back to NY after being in Israel a couple years, I have here Bituach leumi, How do I cancel it? (Im not an israeli)

Tried just calling them?
Yes. Call them up . if it doesn't work on the phone , (not lechatchila) just leave without canceling it. They'll either eventually catch on to you not being in israel anymore and drop you or you will lose it automatically when your visa expires.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on January 06, 2016, 06:35:27 AM
I would do that and just let it go till my visa expires and it will cancel automatically, my issue is that till then I will get billed every month for it, can I just leave it will a bill or they can make me in the future issues? Or once it's cancelled there is no bill?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Got a clue on January 06, 2016, 12:22:38 PM
I moved into my apartment around 3 years ago. Person who was there before me still receives a bill every few months that he owes $$ to Bituach Leumi- it was about 1,000 shekel but has gone up to about 1,600 (I am assuming interest expense)
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: emjee on January 06, 2016, 01:29:59 PM
I would do that and just let it go till my visa expires and it will cancel automatically, my issue is that till then I will get billed every month for it, can I just leave it will a bill or they can make me in the future issues? Or once it's cancelled there is no bill?
Nah. It'll be fine. First try the לכתחילה דרך and if they don't let you then just leave. U won't have any issues. If ur thinking that one day u will be back then deal with it then. They'll see that you officially left if it comes down to that. I wouldn't worry about it. (I have a very good relationship with BL. They don't take American credit card for Horaat keva from me and as a result I only lay them once a year when they are about to kick me off. I even get the ribis off because of my claim that they would get the money quaterly if they would just do Horaat keva on my cc. BH , works out every time. Just annoying going to town to rake care of it. But it's worth it.)
I moved into my apartment around 3 years ago. Person who was there before me still receives a bill every few months that he owes $$ to Bituach Leumi- it was about 1,000 shekel but has gone up to about 1,600 (I am assuming interest expense)
Lol. Awesome !
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on January 06, 2016, 02:10:43 PM
Spoke to them today, they say to decline my BL services me and my wife will have to come down to the office to do some paperwork... dont know if I should take the time (probably full day) to do it or to just leave it, and ill even save my 700 shekel current balance.... ;)
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: emjee on January 06, 2016, 02:35:38 PM
Spoke to them today, they say to decline my BL services me and my wife will have to come down to the office to do some paperwork... dont know if I should take the time (probably full day) to do it or to just leave it, and ill even save my 700 shekel current balance.... ;)
Hey. If you have a balance with them then you should pay it. It's owed to them. going down there won't be a full day. Go 12ish and you should be fine. that's when I go when I have to. If I go @12 it's around a 20 minute wait , but earlier is usually ATLEAST a half hour. going at 12 should get you in and out in an hour IME.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on January 14, 2016, 11:49:18 AM
Data point: just got the letter in the mail yesterday that my request for a hanacha on arnona for 2015 has been approved, B"H. So if you're still waiting for an answer from them for last year, keep an eye on your mailbox.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Zevi16 on March 20, 2016, 08:13:38 AM
Does it work now to make visa appointments online?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on March 20, 2016, 09:08:29 AM
Does it work now to make visa appointments online?
a couple weeks ago they called back when the form was filled out.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Hidden on March 20, 2016, 09:10:55 AM
Off topic, but does someone have a working fax number of bituach liumi?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sammy n on March 20, 2016, 10:02:31 AM

Off topic, but does someone have a working fax number of bituach liumi?
02-675-0218
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Hidden on March 20, 2016, 10:46:51 AM
02-675-0218
Thanks
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: shauly on May 02, 2016, 04:16:28 AM
Anybody looking to use Dagan for Bituach Leumi anytime soon? Apparently he is much cheaper if you go with someone else.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on May 02, 2016, 04:18:10 AM
Anybody looking to use Dagan for Bituach Leumi anytime soon? Apparently he is much cheaper if you go with someone else.
Can I ask what specifically you are using him for?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: shauly on May 02, 2016, 05:10:47 AM
Can I ask what specifically you are using him for?

I need him to get a visa for my daughter and bituach leumi for the whole family.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on May 02, 2016, 05:13:09 AM
I need him to get a visa for my daughter and bituach leumi for the whole family.
Ok. Just mentioning that 80% of what he does there's no need for and can be done yourself.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: shauly on May 02, 2016, 05:14:17 AM
Ok. Just mentioning that 80% of what he does there's no need for and can be done yourself.

I am leaving the country and need it done very quickly. If needed I can do it myself but if I can get it for a reasonable price it's worth the premium for me.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on May 02, 2016, 05:16:47 AM
I am leaving the country and need it done very quickly. If needed I can do it myself but if I can get it for a reasonable price it's worth the premium for me.
$600 is reasonable? What's he charging nowadays?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: sammy n on May 02, 2016, 05:32:37 AM
$600 is reasonable? What's he charging nowadays?
Probably more then $600.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: shauly on May 02, 2016, 07:44:09 AM
Probably more then $600.

I was told $600 but it's supposedly a little more than half that if you come with someone else. And apparently I'll get reimbursed for what I've been paying into Meuchedet all this time so I figure it will just about even out.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on May 02, 2016, 08:05:48 AM
I was told $600 but it's supposedly a little more than half that if you come with someone else. And apparently I'll get reimbursed for what I've been paying into Meuchedet all this time so I figure it will just about even out.
You get reimbursed even without him, and it only goes back 6 months.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Got a clue on May 02, 2016, 11:03:42 AM
You get reimbursed even without him, and it only goes back 6 months.

Unless they changed the regulations (quite possible) you get payed back for as long as you payed Meuchedet on your current visa... I got "payed back" for almost 2 years (although that meant that I had to pay BL 2 years of payments when admitted).
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on May 02, 2016, 11:04:41 AM
Unless they changed the regulations (quite possible) you get payed back for as long as you payed Meuchedet on your current visa... I got "payed back" for almost 2 years (although that meant that I had to pay BL 2 years of payments when admitted).
Definitely not what happened with me or the others I helped do it? When was this.
(And I still had to pay Betuach leumi more then 6 months back)
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Got a clue on May 02, 2016, 11:08:18 AM
3 years ago.. I got a 3 year visa when I was a buchor, returned married with 1 year and change still remaining- when I joined BL they made me pay 120 or so shekel a month from the beginning of the visa. This happened to many of my friends. I fought with them to no avail (I was even thinking of "losing" my passport so that I would need a new visa). In the end between the $ they give for having a kid, plus being reimbursed partially (about 60%) for my Meuchedet payments I broke evenish..
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: travel-ing on May 26, 2016, 07:36:44 AM
is it hard to get on to bl?
what are the pros?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on May 26, 2016, 08:02:52 AM
is it hard to get on to bl?
what are the pros?
not hard to get on and there are almost no cons.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: travel-ing on May 26, 2016, 08:07:47 AM
not hard to get on and there are almost no cons.
if i have meuchedet c any reason to still get bl?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on May 26, 2016, 08:29:57 AM
if i have meuchedet c any reason to still get bl?
Childbirth for one.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: emjee on May 26, 2016, 08:07:00 PM
Childbirth for one.
Kitzvat yeladim,  social security
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Eliyohu on June 06, 2016, 09:19:18 AM
PSA for anyone who needs a student visa:

If you don't want to wait for months to get an appointment at the Misrad Hapnim, take note...

There's a new Misrad Hapnim office in Har Choma (southern Jerusalem, near Gilo), located at Eliyahu Koren 25 (https://goo.gl/maps/Vk9mC7CtK2T2). As of now, they are allowing people to come - without an appointment! - between 8 and 10 AM, any day of the week except Wednesday. So if you need a visa in a hurry, go before they change the rules...
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: emjee on June 07, 2016, 07:12:14 AM
Families don't wait anymore at main jerusalem branch
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: B.D.Da'ehu on June 08, 2016, 01:36:04 PM
I'm planning on getting a student visa now for my wife and I, and the plan is to get bituach leumi in 6 months. However I just realized that my wife still has a valid visa from when she was here for seminary and it doesn't expire for another year.

Am I totally messed up with bituach leumi? From what I hear I would have to back pay from the beginning of her student visa- which was 3 years ago?!?

Does anyone have any knowledge of these things? Or know who I can call to find out? Thanks.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: emjee on June 09, 2016, 01:01:24 PM
I'm planning on getting a student visa now for my wife and I, and the plan is to get bituach leumi in 6 months. However I just realized that my wife still has a valid visa from when she was here for seminary and it doesn't expire for another year.

Am I totally messed up with bituach leumi? From what I hear I would have to back pay from the beginning of her student visa- which was 3 years ago?!?

Does anyone have any knowledge of these things? Or know who I can call to find out? Thanks.
You will not back pay . Her new visa will be a different type . "Wife of a student" . It's on the new visa that you will be applying for bituach le'umi.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: B.D.Da'ehu on June 09, 2016, 01:12:36 PM
You will not back pay . Her new visa will be a different type . "Wife of a student" . It's on the new visa that you will be applying for bituach le'umi.
Thanks so much! I didn't think they would let her get a new visa...
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: B.D.Da'ehu on June 19, 2016, 03:49:45 AM
PSA for anyone who needs a student visa:

If you don't want to wait for months to get an appointment at the Misrad Hapnim, take note...

There's a new Misrad Hapnim office in Har Choma (southern Jerusalem, near Gilo), located at Eliyahu Koren 25 (https://goo.gl/maps/Vk9mC7CtK2T2). As of now, they are allowing people to come - without an appointment! - between 8 and 10 AM, any day of the week except Wednesday. So if you need a visa in a hurry, go before they change the rules...
Thanks for this PSA. Highly recommended!
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Iz on June 22, 2016, 03:57:08 PM
I hope someone can help me with this: My daughter was born in Israel, and we renounced her citizenship at the Misrad Hapnim, but I can't find the paper I think they gave us. What can/should I do now, living in U.S., and she is traveling to Israel? She will eed to get a student visa there, but she doesn't have that paper, so the seminary doesn't want to deal with it. I was told that I need to go to the Israeli consulate in Manhattan. Anyone have experience with this? PM welcome. Thanks.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: DanH on June 22, 2016, 06:20:30 PM
I hope someone can help me with this: My daughter was born in Israel, and we renounced her citizenship at the Misrad Hapnim, but I can't find the paper I think they gave us. What can/should I do now, living in U.S., and she is traveling to Israel? She will eed to get a student visa there, but she doesn't have that paper, so the seminary doesn't want to deal with it. I was told that I need to go to the Israeli consulate in Manhattan. Anyone have experience with this? PM welcome. Thanks.
I've never heard of anyone needing the paper lmaisa.  The Misrad Hapnim themselves tell you it's unnecessary (up to you to believe them).
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Iz on June 22, 2016, 06:22:49 PM
I've never heard of anyone needing the paper lmaisa.  The Misrad Hapnim themselves tell you it's unnecessary (up to you to believe them).
Me too, but not much of a sample...
Also, the fact is that the sem refuses to deal with it w/o the paper...
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: emjee on June 23, 2016, 07:52:13 AM
Me too, but not much of a sample...
Also, the fact is that the sem refuses to deal with it w/o the paper...
No such thing . The sem is nervous over  nothing.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Iz on June 23, 2016, 08:58:57 AM
No such thing . The sem is nervous over  nothing.
You may have misunderstood me. My point is not to prove anything from the sem's nervousness, rather that w/o the paper the sem refuses to get the visa for her, so what am I supposed to do?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: emjee on June 23, 2016, 09:29:49 AM
You may have misunderstood me. My point is not to prove anything from the sem's nervousness, rather that w/o the paper the sem refuses to get the visa for her, so what am I supposed to do?
I understood you completely. My point above was that they are wrong. Ask them why they won't do it and do they have any specific reason not to.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Iz on June 23, 2016, 09:32:18 AM
I understood you completely. My point above was that they are wrong. Ask them why they won't do it and do they have any specific reason not to.
I can try... ::)
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Iz on June 26, 2016, 09:43:56 AM
Can someone fill me in on what exactly an American girl (U.S. citizen, born in EY, renounced citizenship, does not have that paper) would need to bring/do to get a student visa? Where should she go? When? Is there, by any chance, somewhere online with this info?
Thanks a lot.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on June 26, 2016, 10:36:13 AM
Can someone fill me in on what exactly an American girl (U.S. citizen, born in EY, renounced citizenship, does not have that paper) would need to bring/do to get a student visa? Where should she go? When? Is there, by any chance, somewhere online with this info?
Thanks a lot.
Regular process.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Iz on June 26, 2016, 11:04:03 AM
Regular process.
Thanks for replying. I haven't done it in many years. What is the regular process?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: DanH on June 26, 2016, 01:23:11 PM
Thanks for replying. I haven't done it in many years. What is the regular process?
Forget about the fact she was born in Israel, it's irrelevant.
You bring your passport and letter from school to misrad hapnim (after getting an appointment).  That's it. 
If the school is doing it for all the girls, do it with them.  There is nothing special about your daughter vs any other usa-born american.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Iz on June 26, 2016, 01:32:11 PM
Forget about the fact she was born in Israel, it's irrelevant.
You bring your passport and letter from school to misrad hapnim (after getting an appointment).  That's it. 
If the school is doing it for all the girls, do it with them.  There is nothing special about your daughter vs any other usa-born american.
Halevai they would do it for her, but it seems like they won't. Any info re when & where to get appt.? Thanks.
You didn't mention passport pics. The wiki says that. Not necessary?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: emjee on June 26, 2016, 02:11:46 PM
Thanks for replying. I haven't done it in many years. What is the regular process?

Halevai they would do it for her, but it seems like they won't. Any info re when & where to get appt.? Thanks.
You didn't mention passport pics. The wiki says that. Not necessary?
+97226294666
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Iz on June 26, 2016, 02:18:41 PM

+97226294666
Thanks!
A few questions:
1 - "Passport of every household member": How does that apply to a single person studying there? I assume she does not need PPs of her parents in USA.
2 - Proof of student enrollment is easy enough (I hope!). How does she get proof of Yahadus? Does the school give that?
3 - Is this still accurate/recommended?
"If you don't want to wait for months to get an appointment at the Misrad Hapnim, take note... There's a new Misrad Hapnim office in Har Choma... As of now, they are allowing people to come - without an appointment! - between 8 and 10 AM, any day of the week except Wednesday. So if you need a visa in a hurry, go before they change the rules..."
Thanks again.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: DanH on June 26, 2016, 03:44:08 PM
Thanks!
A few questions:
1 - "Passport of every household member": How does that apply to a single person studying there? I assume she does not need PPs of her parents in USA.
2 - Proof of student enrollment is easy enough (I hope!). How does she get proof of Yahadus? Does the school give that?
3 - Is this still accurate/recommended?
"If you don't want to wait for months to get an appointment at the Misrad Hapnim, take note... There's a new Misrad Hapnim office in Har Choma... As of now, they are allowing people to come - without an appointment! - between 8 and 10 AM, any day of the week except Wednesday. So if you need a visa in a hurry, go before they change the rules..."
Thanks again.
1. Correct, no need for anyone other than herself.
2. School letter should also say that she is Jewish.  Standard procedure.
3. Yes
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: emjee on June 26, 2016, 04:12:47 PM
1. Correct, no need for anyone other than herself.
2. School letter should also say that she is Jewish.  Standard procedure.
3. Yes
Ur the man DanH! 
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Iz on June 26, 2016, 04:25:40 PM
Ur the man DanH!
+1
You too, emjee.
Thanks!
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Hidden on June 26, 2016, 04:53:57 PM
Can an American bochur apply at har choma?
What's the address of har choma location?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: emjee on June 26, 2016, 05:04:46 PM
Can an American bochur apply at har choma?
What's the address of har choma location?
AFAIK yes.
GIYF
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: DanH on June 27, 2016, 08:19:41 AM
Ur the man DanH!
You answered more than I did!
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: DanH on June 27, 2016, 04:24:58 PM
According to Misrad Hapnim website:
https://www.gov.il/he/departments/bureaus/visas_jerusalem_harhoma
Even Har Choma branch requires appointment first (for first-time visa applic's.)  Renewal are w/o apt.

Quote
שירות בנושא אשרות, מעמד ואזרחות יינתן בתיאום מראש בלבד באמצעות מילוי טופס בקשה או באמצעות נציג שירות במרכז שירות ומידע ארצי 3450*

הארכות ויזה - ניתן להגיע ללשכה כל יום חוץ מיום ד' בין 8:00-10:00 ללא תור.

Can anyone confirm this lmaisa?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: B.D.Da'ehu on June 27, 2016, 04:27:02 PM
According to Misrad Hapnim website:
https://www.gov.il/he/departments/bureaus/visas_jerusalem_harhoma (https://www.gov.il/he/departments/bureaus/visas_jerusalem_harhoma)
Even Har Choma branch requires appointment first (for first-time visa applic's.)  Renewal are w/o apt.

Can anyone confirm this lmaisa?
I went last week with my wife for first time visa and we didn't need an appointment.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: User6669 on June 30, 2016, 02:11:30 PM
I went last week with my wife for first time visa and we didn't need an appointment.

Was it between 8:00 - 10:00 ?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: B.D.Da'ehu on June 30, 2016, 02:30:46 PM
Was it between 8:00 - 10:00 ?
Got there like 9:30 but our number was called after 10.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: DanH on July 04, 2016, 06:01:03 PM
Planning on going to MisHapnim Har Choma tomorrow.. any tips for getting there without accidently visiting UMM TUBA and SUR BAHAR or BETHLEHEM :)
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: emjee on July 05, 2016, 04:15:26 AM
Planning on going to MisHapnim Har Choma tomorrow.. any tips for getting there without accidently visiting UMM TUBA and SUR BAHAR or BETHLEHEM :)
A jewish driver
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: hocker on July 05, 2016, 08:24:32 AM
To all those getting a student visa who want the option to work, all you need is a letter from the yeshiva stating they don't object to you working part time, and they'll write on your visa permitted to work IME.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: DanH on July 05, 2016, 05:47:59 PM
To all those getting a student visa who want the option to work, all you need is a letter from the yeshiva stating they don't object to you working part time, and they'll write on your visa permitted to work IME.
interesting
when its the wife, she needs a letter from her work...
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: emjee on July 07, 2016, 05:22:01 AM
To all those getting a student visa who want the option to work, all you need is a letter from the yeshiva stating they don't object to you working part time, and they'll write on your visa permitted to work IME.

interesting
when its the wife, she needs a letter from her work...
Yes , however if the visa that the wife is getting is her own student visa and not wife if a student , she gets the letter aforementioned
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Iz on August 01, 2016, 07:39:36 PM
I hope someone can help me with this: My daughter was born in Israel, and we renounced her citizenship at the Misrad Hapnim, but I can't find the paper I think they gave us. What can/should I do now, living in U.S., and she is traveling to Israel? She will need to get a student visa there, but she doesn't have that paper, so the seminary doesn't want to deal with it. I was told that I need to go to the Israeli consulate in Manhattan. Anyone have experience with this? PM welcome. Thanks.
Update: I decided to go tomorrow to the consulate in the US with my daughter to take care of this.
A few questions:
Is Philadelphia ok, or do I need specifically NY?
Any recommendations which one is easier/quicker?
What do I need to bring along?
Do both parents need to come?
What time should I go?
How long should I allow?
Any other info would be appreciated as well. PMs welcome.
Thanks!
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Iz on August 01, 2016, 10:52:21 PM
Update
I found the citizenship renouncement letter, so no trip necessary. ;D
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: emjee on August 02, 2016, 04:30:25 AM
I found the citizenship renouncement letter, so no trip necessary. ;D
Awesome !! Congrats !
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Iz on August 02, 2016, 08:14:22 AM
Awesome !! Congrats !
Thanks!
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Miracle on August 05, 2016, 03:06:29 AM
Hi,

Anyone going there this week? I just need someone to make me an appointment while there - they aren't answering the phone or responding to emails and faxes.

thanks
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: emjee on August 05, 2016, 03:57:55 AM
Hi,

Anyone going there this week? I just need someone to make me an appointment while there - they aren't answering the phone or responding to emails and faxes.

thanks
If you're a family Yup don't need an appointment
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Miracle on August 05, 2016, 04:04:50 AM
If you're a family Yup don't need an appointment
It's only for me.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: emjee on August 05, 2016, 04:06:53 AM
It's only for me.
You can also reserve to get a text online
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Zevi16 on August 05, 2016, 04:07:47 AM
Isn't the new place easier?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: shmuelb on August 05, 2016, 05:03:43 AM
To get to Har Choma, you can take a bus!

Any questions on public transportation in Israel - call *8787 (press 3 when you hear Russian to be answered faster) or see bus.co.il

Cheers!  :D
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Miracle on August 17, 2016, 10:58:51 AM
Anyone have the link where i can print the student  visa A2 application?
Please link. THank you!
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: hocker on August 17, 2016, 11:47:01 AM
Anyone have the link where i can print the student  visa A2 application?
Please link. THank you!
Possibly this

http://mfa.gov.il/MFA_Graphics/MFAHEB%20Gallery/2010/ashrat%20knisa.pdf
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Miracle on August 17, 2016, 01:08:47 PM
Possibly this

http://mfa.gov.il/MFA_Graphics/MFAHEB%20Gallery/2010/ashrat%20knisa.pdf
It doesn't look like it.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: emjee on August 17, 2016, 08:31:36 PM
Anyone have the link where i can print the student  visa A2 application?
Please link. THank you!
http://mfa.gov.il/MFA_Graphics/MFA%20Gallery/Consular%20forms/EntryVisa.pdf
I'm pretty sure it's it
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Miracle on August 18, 2016, 02:46:35 AM
http://mfa.gov.il/MFA_Graphics/MFA%20Gallery/Consular%20forms/EntryVisa.pdf
I'm pretty sure it's it
Shouldn't it say something about which visa I want with the different options?

Also, do I need to bring a photo if I am renewing a student visa?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: shauly on October 26, 2016, 03:28:46 PM
Anyone have either a working link or a copy of the 2016 Arnona discount form? The link on the website doesn't work.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: DanH on October 26, 2016, 06:50:51 PM
Anyone have either a working link or a copy of the 2016 Arnona discount form? The link on the website doesn't work.
http://www.israelishortcut.org/Services.aspx?l=2&c=3&id=21
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: shauly on October 27, 2016, 12:09:09 PM
http://www.israelishortcut.org/Services.aspx?l=2&c=3&id=21

Thank you so much!
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: money spender #4 on December 17, 2016, 02:23:26 PM
Does anyone know if there a place right near by where i can take a photo for my visa in the morning?

Also i am renewing my student visa which my wife and son are already on. I am assuming they both have to be present there with me? or is it possible i can just bring their passports and go myself??
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: B.D.Da'ehu on December 17, 2016, 02:55:10 PM
Does anyone know if there a place right near by where i can take a photo for my visa in the morning?

Also i am renewing my student visa which my wife and son are already on. I am assuming they both have to be present there with me? or is it possible i can just bring their passports and go myself??
If you're going to Yafo there's a place to take pics right there
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: money spender #4 on December 17, 2016, 03:07:38 PM
Yes but there you need to have an appointment, which i dont have.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Z56 on December 17, 2016, 03:23:45 PM
Yes but there you need to have an appointment, which i dont have.

So where are you going to ?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: money spender #4 on December 17, 2016, 03:58:34 PM
oops i forgot that important detail . Har Choma
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: emjee on December 17, 2016, 05:21:33 PM


Also i am renewing my student visa which my wife and son are already on. is it possible i can just bring their passports and go myself??

Yes
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: davidb on December 17, 2016, 08:59:16 PM
If Anyone know of a yeshiva that provides letters for students even if they're not enrolled pm me. willing to pay.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: money spender #4 on December 18, 2016, 02:52:14 AM
har choma, it says visa department is open till 12. I dont have an appointment, can i go before 12 or does it have to be before 10?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Luvisrael on December 19, 2016, 03:24:17 PM
If Anyone know of a yeshiva that provides letters for students even if they're not enrolled pm me. willing to pay.
Isnt that lying?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: davidb on December 19, 2016, 03:51:17 PM
Isnt that lying?
They can enroll me and I just won't show up.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: hocker on December 19, 2016, 04:05:31 PM
Isnt that lying?
Seriously?! Some loosers captured land they have no rights to and they are the ones to govern who can or can't reside there?

Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: shauly on December 19, 2016, 11:01:55 PM
They can enroll me and I just won't show up.

The letter says the hours that you learn in Yeshiva. Also, once you are enrolled you are on their lists for other purposes as well, and if the iriya comes to check and you aren't there, the yeshiva can get in trouble.

Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: emjee on December 20, 2016, 08:19:21 PM
1)The letter says the hours that you learn in Yeshiva.
2)Also, once you are enrolled you are on their lists for other purposes as well,
3) and if the misrad hachinuch or datot comes to check and you aren't there, the yeshiva can get in trouble.
FTFY in 3 :)


I'm not saying right or wrong but ..

1) the letter can use a lashon of "zmanei limudim are ..." & not say HE is learning during those times there .
2) depending on what they are it can or cannot be am issue .
3) alot of yeshivas and kollels now call up talmidim to come show their face (even if they're sick in bed or across they country on vacation - IME) if the misrad hachinuch or datot come. - problem solved
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Luvisrael on December 22, 2016, 02:52:04 PM
Seriously?! Some loosers captured land they have no rights to and they are the ones to govern who can or can't reside there?
irrelevant. where talking about stating your a student of a yeshiva u really arent, in order to gain advantages such as discounts for arnona etc...
So even if your sentiment is true, 2 wrongs dont make a right :)
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: hocker on December 22, 2016, 02:56:01 PM
irrelevant. where talking about stating your a student of a yeshiva u really arent, in order to gain advantages such as discounts for arnona etc...
This is the Misrad Hapnim master thread last I checked.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Luvisrael on December 22, 2016, 02:58:51 PM
This is the Misrad Hapnim master thread last I checked.
u missed the point. just because u dont believe someone can tell you if you have a right to be here or not doesn't give you the right to LIE. kapeesh?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: hocker on December 22, 2016, 03:01:48 PM
u missed the point. just because u dont believe someone can tell you if you have a right to be here or not doesn't give you the right to LIE. kapeesh?
Hence you replied about getting "Discounts for Arnona etc"
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Luvisrael on December 22, 2016, 03:03:51 PM
Hence you replied about getting "Discounts for Arnona etc"
not following
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: mgarfin on February 06, 2017, 06:10:40 PM
5 year visas

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/224502
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: rollingstone on February 07, 2017, 06:32:18 AM
5 year visas

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/224502
http://www.israelishortcut.org/NewsPage.aspx?l=2&id=129&c=1
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Z56 on April 30, 2017, 08:23:54 AM
My visa is about to expire that means that bituach leumi is also about to expire, I got a new visa, what's the  easiest way to send in my new visa ? And what other documents do I need ?

P.S.  Time sensitive expiring May 3

Thanks
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: rollingstone on April 30, 2017, 02:01:59 PM
My visa is about to expire that means that bituach leumi is also about to expire, I got a new visa, what's the  easiest way to send in my new visa ? And what other documents do I need ?

P.S.  Time sensitive expiring May 3

Thanks
Email israeli shortcut israelishortcut@gmail.com
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Z56 on April 30, 2017, 02:05:31 PM
Email israeli shortcut israelishortcut@gmail.com

Thanks
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: hocker on April 30, 2017, 02:11:02 PM
Email israeli shortcut israelishortcut@gmail.com
WHY?!

The easiest way is walk in there at your earliest convenience and drop off a copy of your new visa and passport.

It can be after May 3rd too...

Edit: Here's their office.

https://www.google.co.il/maps/place/Bituach+Leumi/@31.7797662,35.2193123,17z/data=!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0x150329d13b933295:0x7aae8e20967ffc7b!2sShim'on+Ben+Shatakh+St+4,+Jerusalem!3b1!8m2!3d31.7797662!4d35.221501!3m4!1s0x150329d13e84cab3:0x8bc5b53288c9b43d!8m2!3d31.7797662!4d35.221501
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: jmz on July 04, 2017, 02:06:25 AM
Do you need pictures to renew? Or is just a letter from yeshiva and passports good?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: a mirrer on July 04, 2017, 05:29:45 AM
Do you need pictures to renew? Or is just a letter from yeshiva and passports good?
this
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: jmz on July 04, 2017, 05:39:28 AM
just renewed my visa's and bituach leumi.
officially need appointment otherwise go between 8 -9 but i went at 1030 and they said they just closed and i asked if i can just try and she gave me a number.
the guy at the desk on the 1st floor said need appointment but pleaded with him and he eventually gave me someone else's number.
only need letter from yeshiva, passports and marriage certificate (original person said that but don't think the lady who gave the visa actually looked at it.) no need for pictures to renew.
then hopped on over to bituach leumi for a quick visa change and done.
maybe someone can update the wiki
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Z56 on July 04, 2017, 08:27:17 AM
Or perhaps you update the wiki
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: jmz on July 04, 2017, 08:47:48 AM
Or perhaps you update the wiki
Not exactly sure which info to put in etc and maybe someone else has more reliable info about the appointment and times part.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Luvisrael on July 04, 2017, 01:07:59 PM
this is from an email from chaim vchesed,

''The Misrad Hapnim in Jerusalem's Har Choma neighborhood has suspended the open-door policy of their visa department. Appointments are now required for all visa-related matters. This is partially due to the office's expected overload due to new biometric passport regulations (see below).

This is a disappointing turn for foreign citizens in Jerusalem. Chaim V'Chessed is currently working in conjunction with elective officials to reverse this policy change.

At the same time, the Misrad Hapnim branch located at Shlomtzion Hamalka Street has recently begun accepting all visa-related matters between 8:00 am and 10:00 am, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday and Thursday, with no need for advance appointments, regardless of family size.''
 
Title: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Torkay on October 22, 2017, 09:49:45 AM
For a visa can I get one for my wife without her being there?

And where in Jerusalem can I get a visa photo?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on October 22, 2017, 11:33:13 AM
And where in Jerusalem can I get a visa photo?
Pretty much an photo store does it. Also theres a place next door to the Misrad Hapnim office
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Baglach on October 24, 2017, 03:58:49 AM
Need to get a visa for my kid what's the best office?
Do.i need passport pictures?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Luvisrael on October 24, 2017, 07:10:03 AM
Need to get a visa for my kid what's the best office?
Do.i need passport pictures?
IME, i went to the har choma w/o an appointment, in May. Took a number and waited for an hour? or so. They only asked me to see passport, marriage certificate and I think birth certificate.(not 100 % sure abt birth cert.) Didnt bother asking for the pics. They than gave visas to me ,my wife and kid on the spot. I thinki things have changed (when are they not in this country) as far as appointments, plus it can be that every worker is makpid about dif things,,, so its worth covering all bases and bring in all documents. Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: jmz on August 08, 2018, 01:52:27 AM
Me, my wife and my daughter have visas. I recently had a child and would like to get one for him. Last time I just walked in with just the passports and they gave it to me in two minutes. Is it still like this? And do they do this during Wednesday afternoon hours?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: emjee on August 08, 2018, 03:25:57 PM


Me, my wife and my daughter have visas. I recently had a child and would like to get one for him. Last time I just walked in with just the passports and they gave it to me in two minutes.
 Is it still like this?
And do they do this during Wednesday afternoon hours?

Yes IME .
Check online about hours
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Abey on August 08, 2018, 04:13:53 PM

Yes IME .
Check online about hours
As with anything in israel especially government offices it depends on the mood of the clerks, I was there to do this and clerk decided that “they don’t do this anymore (no appointment)” and wanted to send us home b”h the head clerk passed by and heard us begging so she took us in her office and we were out in 2 min
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Abey on August 08, 2018, 04:14:25 PM

Yes IME .
Check online about hours
As with anything in israel especially government offices it depends on the mood of the clerks, I was there to do this and clerk decided that “they don’t do this anymore (no appointment)” and wanted to send us home b”h the head clerk passed by and heard us begging so she took us in her office and we were out in 2 min
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on August 08, 2018, 05:10:02 PM
Very easy to make an appointment, why not just make one?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: jmz on August 08, 2018, 05:19:10 PM
Very easy to make an appointment, why not just make one?
Ok so basically I tried doing it online and for some reason it didn't work. Someone called me today from the misrad hapnim and gave me an appointment for two weeks. But he did say if I want to I can come between 8-9. I might try tomorrow.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on August 10, 2018, 10:10:14 AM
I renewed my kids passport a few months back and did a walk in for a visa. Took about 2 hours of waiting time
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on August 12, 2018, 08:57:19 AM
I renewed my kids passport a few months back and did a walk in for a visa. Took about 2 hours of waiting time
I got new passports for my kids and had an appointment and was in and out with 5 passports in about 15 minutes
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: jmz on September 06, 2018, 06:36:08 AM
Went to bituach leumi today to add my child. I did not have all the papers I needed but seems that it might have worked better for me this way.
Hopefully, someone here can help me.
I, my wife and one child have bituach leumi for a while already. I was out of the country for about seven months this year. I have a new child that I want to put on. I realized that I probably should have been kicked off of bituach leumi for being out of the country for more than three months ( I don't believe I was kicked off because my insurance cards work, but also my bank statements show I have been getting Kitzvah Yeladim and that they have been taking money).
One of the requirements for adding a child to bituach leumi is the whole family's entry and exits. If I get these entries and exits, it will obviously show that I wasn't here for a while.
Will this cause an issue for the rest of us?
Am I better off waiting to add him until I have been here again for six months?
Any help or pointers would be much appreciated.
( I attached the list of requirements to add a child that I got from the Bituach Leumi office, I dont know how to add it to the wiki)
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: ludmila on September 06, 2018, 10:00:34 PM
Went to bituach leumi today to add my child. I did not have all the papers I needed but seems that it might have worked better for me this way.
Hopefully, someone here can help me.
I, my wife and one child have bituach leumi for a while already. I was out of the country for about seven months this year. I have a new child that I want to put on. I realized that I probably should have been kicked off of bituach leumi for being out of the country for more than three months ( I don't believe I was kicked off because my insurance cards work, but also my bank statements show I have been getting Kitzvah Yeladim and that they have been taking money).
One of the requirements for adding a child to bituach leumi is the whole family's entry and exits. If I get these entries and exits, it will obviously show that I wasn't here for a while.
Will this cause an issue for the rest of us?
Am I better off waiting to add him until I have been here again for six months?
Any help or pointers would be much appreciated.
( I attached the list of requirements to add a child that I got from the Bituach Leumi office, I dont know how to add it to the wiki)
Am I better off waiting to add him until I have been here again for six months? IMO yes.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Buruch on November 01, 2018, 08:10:36 AM
Student A2 visas are good for a year, correct? Are kollels officially considered yeshiva, and you can keep renewing for 10 years no problem, or do they consider that like you want to live there, and make you get a resident Visa like A1, A5 or aliyah after a few years?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Yehudaa on November 01, 2018, 08:44:31 AM


Student A2 visas are good for a year, correct? Are kollels officially considered yeshiva, and you can keep renewing for 10 years no problem, or do they consider that like you want to live there, and make you get a resident Visa like A1, A5 or aliyah after a few years?

They generally give 3 years at a time now.

You can keep renewing.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: jose34 on November 01, 2018, 08:49:33 AM

They generally give 3 years at a time now.

You can keep renewing.

Actually I think the new thing is they give until the your passport expires or your wifes passport expires.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: jmz on November 01, 2018, 08:50:41 AM
Actually I think the new thing is they give until the your passport expires or your wifes passport expires.
Right because they can't give longer than your passport is valid for. If it's valid for three years they will try and give that.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Sammy82 on November 01, 2018, 06:24:55 PM
This thread isn't relevant to me (at least not since I moved back to the USA years ago) but there's this organization that every English-speaker should know of. It's called Chaim Vchesed.  Can't really write up on it as I'm on my phone but Google them. They were very helpful with a few relatives of mine that had misrad hapnim issues (as well as medical issues).
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Yehudaa on November 01, 2018, 06:25:55 PM
This thread isn't relevant to me (at least not since I moved back to the USA years ago) but there's this organization that every English-speaker should know of. It's called Chaim Vchesed.  Can't really write up on it as I'm on my phone but Google them. They were very helpful with a few relatives of mine that had misrad hapnim issues (as well as medical issues).
+1
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: ludmila on November 01, 2018, 06:30:23 PM
This thread isn't relevant to me (at least not since I moved back to the USA years ago) but there's this organization that every English-speaker should know of. It's called Chaim Vchesed.  Can't really write up on it as I'm on my phone but Google them. They were very helpful with a few relatives of mine that had misrad hapnim issues (as well as medical issues).
Very useful to many, thanks.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Sammy82 on November 01, 2018, 06:32:06 PM
This thread isn't relevant to me (at least not since I moved back to the USA years ago) but there's this organization that every English-speaker should know of. It's called Chaim Vchesed.  Can't really write up on it as I'm on my phone but Google them. They were very helpful with a few relatives of mine that had misrad hapnim issues (as well as medical issues).
Seems like they do many other things as well for English speaking people. Tons of useful info on their website. https://chaimvchessed.com
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: grodnoking on November 01, 2018, 07:47:47 PM
This thread isn't relevant to me (at least not since I moved back to the USA years ago) but there's this organization that every English-speaker should know of. It's called Chaim Vchesed.  Can't really write up on it as I'm on my phone but Google them. They were very helpful with a few relatives of mine that had misrad hapnim issues (as well as medical issues).

Amazing org. They've helped people I know more than you can imagine. They'll help you with anything bureaucratic.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: jmz on November 02, 2018, 12:29:29 AM
I know this might not be the right thread but anyone who needs to take care of arnona, you need to make an appointment. They won't let you in without one.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Buruch on November 27, 2018, 07:07:24 AM
Just wanted to give a data point. Went today to Yerushalayim on shlomtzion without an appointment. Arrived 10:30 and got a ticket. Was called in a bit after 12 and got a new student visa (not renewal) for me, and A4 for wife and 2 kids on the spot. Took about 20-25 minutes. They don't need pictures, and didn't need apostille certified marriage certificate. Lots of incorrect info online including on Chaim Vechessed.
Google also claims the office is permanently closed  ::)
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Boruch999 on November 27, 2018, 07:13:04 AM
Actually I think the new thing is they give until the your passport expires or your wifes passport expires.
I got 5 years on a brand new 10 year passport.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: DanH on November 27, 2018, 08:14:25 AM
I got 5 years on a brand new 10 year passport.
I think he meant that the max is either 5 years or expiration, whichever happens first.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on November 27, 2018, 12:41:11 PM
Just wanted to give a data point. Went today to Yerushalayim on shlomtzion without an appointment. Arrived 10:30 and got a ticket. Was called in a bit after 12 and got a new student visa (not renewal) for me, and A4 for wife and 2 kids on the spot. Took about 20-25 minutes. They don't need pictures, and didn't need apostille certified marriage certificate. Lots of incorrect info online including on Chaim Vechessed.
Google also claims the office is permanently closed  ::)
Which info was incorrect?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Buruch on November 28, 2018, 10:57:28 AM
Btw, I just texted "Meir Goodman" and he says he has no idea about any of this stuff.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Luvisrael on September 25, 2019, 08:01:27 PM
I have a student visa, but no longer live there. I want to go for a trip and don’t want to pay VAT. Any tips? Just cut out those passport pages?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on September 26, 2019, 04:18:00 PM
Just cut out those passport pages?
Terrible idea
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: jmz on September 26, 2019, 04:38:31 PM
Maybe make an X on it? Like they canceled it when you left, if that ever actually happens.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on September 27, 2019, 09:07:21 AM
They have the info in the computer. You could probably just ask the agent to cancel it
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Luvisrael on September 27, 2019, 09:17:56 AM
They have the info in the computer. You could probably just ask the agent to cancel it
i mean for hotels and car rentals, they don’t have the info. If they see the visa they’ll make me pay tax
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on September 27, 2019, 10:59:39 AM
i mean for hotels and car rentals, they don’t have the info. If they see the visa they’ll make me pay tax
They will ask to see the slip of paper that shows the tourist visa, which you won't get if you have a student visa (It will show that you have a student visa)
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Luvisrael on September 27, 2019, 11:04:13 AM
They will ask to see the slip of paper that shows the tourist visa, which you won't get if you have a student visa (It will show that you have a student visa)
exactly my problem.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on September 27, 2019, 11:10:25 AM
exactly my problem.
So ask the passport control agent to cancel your student visa and issue you a tourist visa slip
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Luvisrael on September 27, 2019, 11:20:04 AM
So ask the passport control agent to cancel your student visa and issue you a tourist visa slip
do they do it? U don’t have to go to Misrad hapnim?
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: grodnoking on September 27, 2019, 11:24:38 AM
I'll put down money that it is impossible to reconcile. Sorta like they still haven't found out how to charge a tourist taxes on purchasing a vehicle.
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Luvisrael on September 27, 2019, 11:49:23 AM
I'll put down money that it is impossible to reconcile. Sorta like they still haven't found out how to charge a tourist taxes on purchasing a vehicle.
or like trying to cancel cell phone service  “not possible” or getting ping ponged around to different reps and than phone goes dead
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: moish on September 28, 2019, 04:01:46 PM
do they do it? U don’t have to go to Misrad hapnim?
Ive had an agent cancel a student visa of mine while leaving the country. Cant see why it should be different upon entering. Explain to him that you are no longer a student
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: jmz on September 28, 2019, 04:09:39 PM
I'll put down money that it is impossible to reconcile. Sorta like they still haven't found out how to charge a tourist taxes on purchasing a vehicle.
That's a little different
Title: Re: Misrad Hapnim Master Thread
Post by: Luvisrael on October 30, 2019, 04:45:58 AM
Ive had an agent cancel a student visa of mine while leaving the country. Cant see why it should be different upon entering. Explain to him that you are no longer a student
what kind of agent? The passport control told me to go to Misrad Hapnim