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Title: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: arih on May 04, 2010, 12:54:56 PM
HI i am going on my honeymoon to isreal and i will be staying one night in the dead sea
can someone tell me wich hotel to stay at ?    thank you
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: Dan on May 04, 2010, 12:58:09 PM
Do you have Starpoints?
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: arih on May 04, 2010, 01:02:34 PM
thank you for responding
i only have 800 starpoints
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: Dan on May 04, 2010, 01:07:29 PM
Time to open a Starwood AMEX (http://www.dansdeals.com/go/starwood) and stay for free at the Le Meridan!
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: arih on May 04, 2010, 01:24:53 PM
what about a hotel in jerusalem ?
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: Deal Guy on May 04, 2010, 02:38:42 PM
What date are you looking at?
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: moish on May 04, 2010, 02:43:12 PM
its almost impossible to book the le meridian. everytime i go to the website it shows no availibility for the next few months
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: Deal Guy on May 04, 2010, 02:50:10 PM
its almost impossible to book the le meridian. everytime i go to the website it shows no availibility for the next few months

What dates are you looking at, Moish?
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: moish on May 04, 2010, 02:52:43 PM
lets start the other way. why dont you tell me any day available for the next 3 months
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: Dan on May 04, 2010, 02:53:59 PM
lets start the other way. why dont you tell me any day available for the next 3 months
They have a minimum stay length.  You need to book for the minimum stay and then call SPG to lop off the days you don't want.
I remember having to do that at a few Israel SPG's a couple years ago.
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: Deal Guy on May 04, 2010, 02:57:12 PM
They are gaming the system, and we have to put a end to their practices, both in Yam Hamelach, and in Eilat!
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: Dan on May 04, 2010, 02:59:16 PM
They are gaming the system, and we have to put a end to their practices, both in Yam Hamelach, and in Eilat!
They are gaming the system, but we've lost 8 Israeli SPG's since 2007...don't want to lose any more!
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: Deal Guy on May 04, 2010, 03:03:43 PM
Explain me why this is acceptable??

 On Spg.com we get this:
   http://www.starwoodhotels.com/preferredguest/search/results/standard.html?localeCode=en_US&iATANumber=&city=Dead+Sea&stateCode=&countryCode=IL&numberOfRooms=1&numberOfAdults=1&arrivalDate=05%2F23%2F2010&departureDate=05%2F28%2F2010

 and on the hotels own fattal.co.il website we get this:
  http://www.fattal.co.il/RoomListLtr.aspx?In=2010-05-23&Out=2010-05-28&Region=4&Hotel=58,&Rooms=1&Ad1=2&Ch1=0&Inf1=0
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: Dan on May 04, 2010, 03:06:54 PM
Explain me why this is acceptable??

 On Spg.com we get this:
   http://www.starwoodhotels.com/preferredguest/search/results/standard.html?localeCode=en_US&iATANumber=&city=Dead+Sea&stateCode=&countryCode=IL&numberOfRooms=1&numberOfAdults=1&arrivalDate=05%2F23%2F2010&departureDate=05%2F28%2F2010

 and on the hotels own fattal.co.il website we get this:
  http://www.fattal.co.il/RoomListLtr.aspx?In=2010-05-23&Out=2010-05-28&Region=4&Hotel=58,&Rooms=1&Ad1=2&Ch1=0&Inf1=0
They're crooked.
But just book this
http://www.starwoodhotels.com/preferredguest/search/results/standard.html?localeCode=en_US&iATANumber=&city=Dead+Sea&stateCode=&countryCode=IL&numberOfRooms=1&numberOfAdults=1&arrivalDate=05%2F23%2F2010&departureDate=06%2F02%2F2010
and then call SPG to take off the dates you don't want. Works like a charm.
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: SuperFlyer on May 04, 2010, 03:13:00 PM
They're crooked.
But just book this
http://www.starwoodhotels.com/preferredguest/search/results/standard.html?localeCode=en_US&iATANumber=&city=Dead+Sea&stateCode=&countryCode=IL&numberOfRooms=1&numberOfAdults=1&arrivalDate=05%2F23%2F2010&departureDate=06%2F02%2F2010
and then call SPG to take off the dates you don't want. Works like a charm.


why not call up directly, whats the point doing it online first?

by the way, I'm sure some (or all of you) got this email of spg to design your own card. So instead of putting your address, you can just add "Guaranteed Upgrade" or "Complimentary spa access".

I'm sure it will do the job some places.
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: Deal Guy on May 04, 2010, 03:14:50 PM
They're crooked.
But just book this
http://www.starwoodhotels.com/preferredguest/search/results/standard.html?localeCode=en_US&iATANumber=&city=Dead+Sea&stateCode=&countryCode=IL&numberOfRooms=1&numberOfAdults=1&arrivalDate=05%2F23%2F2010&departureDate=06%2F02%2F2010
and then call SPG to take off the dates you don't want. Works like a charm.


Yes it almost always works, but there are times that it doesn't. Last summer when I tried one of the Tel Aviv properties in August they had a 2 day minimum, and did the same, but the spg agent could not cancel one night since they saw the 2 night minimum in August. I had to do many phone calls with spg and the hotel, till we worked something out, and it's possible that one of the Sheratons didn't even want to budge, but luckily the other caved in.
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: Deal Guy on May 04, 2010, 03:16:20 PM
why not call up directly, whats the point doing it online first?

by the way, I'm sure some (or all of you) got this email of spg to design your own card. So instead of putting your address, you can just add "Guaranteed Upgrade" or "Complimentary spa access".

I'm sure it will do the job some places.

How can you substitute that instead of your address?
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: SuperFlyer on May 04, 2010, 03:21:00 PM
How can you substitute that instead of your address?

That let you fill in whatever you want, ashame that dont let choose a custom made pic as background...  ...I would have been shareholder, or some super title that implies that I'm there in the name of SPG to check out there service...
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: Deal Guy on May 04, 2010, 03:30:33 PM
Ialready got to custom design 2 months ago, so I guess it's too late!
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: Deal Guy on May 04, 2010, 03:39:16 PM
They're crooked.
But just book this
http://www.starwoodhotels.com/preferredguest/search/results/standard.html?localeCode=en_US&iATANumber=&city=Dead+Sea&stateCode=&countryCode=IL&numberOfRooms=1&numberOfAdults=1&arrivalDate=05%2F23%2F2010&departureDate=06%2F02%2F2010
and then call SPG to take off the dates you don't want. Works like a charm.


Dan, I knew that you would have an answer and solution to the above dates. But here is where I am angry at them:

 Spg.com for July 5-20: Total cheapest price FOR 2 ADULTS "5,475.00 AND NO SPG AWARD AVAILABILITY !
     http://www.starwoodhotels.com/preferredguest/search/ratelist.html?corporateAccountNumber=&promotionCode=&lengthOfStay=15&wheelchairPreference=0&roomOccupancyTotal=002&requestedChainCode=MD&requestedAffiliationCode=MD&theBrand=SPG&amenityType=&workflowId=815fe2d1-022f-40aa-aedc-f9070e9b9258&submitActionID=search&searchCode=&arrivalDate=2010-07-05&departureDate=2010-07-20&propertyID=1882&ciDate=07%2F05%2F2010&coDate=07%2F20%2F2010&numberOfRooms=01&numberOfAdults=02&roomBedCode=&ratePlanName=&iATANumber=

 and now fattal.co.il for July 5-20: Total cheapest price "3,570.00 AND THEY DO HAVE STANDARD ROOMS!!
 http://www.fattal.co.il/RoomListLtr.aspx?In=2010-07-05&Out=2010-07-20&Region=4&Hotel=58,&Rooms=1&Ad1=2&Ch1=0&Inf1=0
  
  ISRAELI CHUTZPA!!
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: arih on May 04, 2010, 03:55:26 PM
ok so i will be going to the dead sea for one night in the first week of august
where hotel should i book ?   need a nice place at a great deal
i dont have points or amex starwoods   thanks
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: moish on May 04, 2010, 04:04:40 PM
They're crooked.
But just book this
http://www.starwoodhotels.com/preferredguest/search/results/standard.html?localeCode=en_US&iATANumber=&city=Dead+Sea&stateCode=&countryCode=IL&numberOfRooms=1&numberOfAdults=1&arrivalDate=05%2F23%2F2010&departureDate=06%2F02%2F2010
and then call SPG to take off the dates you don't want. Works like a charm.

so is 9 nights the magic number?
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: Dan on May 04, 2010, 05:43:18 PM
so is 9 nights the magic number?
You just have to keep playing with it.
It's possible that over the phone they can book less nights.
I've never had any issues booking online and having nights taken off though.
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: SuperFlyer on May 04, 2010, 05:57:59 PM
Still not clear why one cannot call up directly spg for the booking...
I'm an inverted genius when it comes to hotels, but I'd still like to understand.
 
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: moish on May 04, 2010, 06:07:15 PM
its usually more covenient online
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: arih on May 04, 2010, 06:10:35 PM
any advie for my upcoming honeymoon in isreal on aug 1st - 15   flying direct with delta
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: SuperFlyer on May 04, 2010, 06:14:42 PM
More convenient, if you anyway have to call?
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: SuperFlyer on May 04, 2010, 06:22:35 PM
About your honeymoon: you would need to know what both of you like (meaning: your wife).
For instance at the meridien, not all ladies feel comfortable being in bathing suit in front of other people, and this is THE main program over there, so make sure you know what exactly you want.

A friendly tip that has nothing to do with your trip. Read "garden of peace" or in easy hebrew "gan hashalom" by R' Harush n"y. Its an excellent sholom bayis guide for men only. I know plenty of people that have thanked me a lot for advising them to read it. (Even people married 30+ years, felt they benefited from it).
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: md on May 04, 2010, 07:28:18 PM
I agree, its an awsome book.
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: Deal Guy on May 04, 2010, 09:01:19 PM
Still not clear why one cannot call up directly spg for the booking...
I'm an inverted genius when it comes to hotels, but I'd still like to understand.
 

Because you will accomplish nothing. They have the same system as you yourself (more or less),  and  if you can't book for less then x amount of days, they can't either. So you just need to book for more days online (or through them), and then at a later time innocently ask them to shorten it, and hopefully it works.
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: SuperFlyer on May 05, 2010, 02:04:00 AM
I booked directly over the phone for 3 days, the meridien dead sea. No problem whatsoever.
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: Deal Guy on May 05, 2010, 02:24:14 AM
I booked directly over the phone for 3 days, the meridien dead sea. No problem whatsoever.

When was that?
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: SuperFlyer on May 05, 2010, 05:06:42 AM
last sukkos.
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: moish on May 05, 2010, 05:45:28 AM
there used to be times i was able to book 1 night with cash and points online too.
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: Deal Guy on May 05, 2010, 03:30:12 PM
there used to be times i was able to book 1 night with cash and points online too.

EXACTLY!!   the problem is that from JULY 1- AUGUST 31, THEY ARE PURPOSELY CHEATING THE SYSTEM, AND NOT PUTTING ANY STANDARD ROOMS AVAILABLE EVEN FOR MONEY not in Eilat nor in the Dead Sea no matter if you put in 4 days or 34 days! They are lying to spg by not putting any Standard rooms, and therefore they don't have to take points!
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: steve2 on May 05, 2010, 04:29:27 PM
EXACTLY!!   the problem is that from JULY 1- AUGUST 31, THEY ARE PURPOSELY CHEATING THE SYSTEM, AND NOT PUTTING ANY STANDARD ROOMS AVAILABLE EVEN FOR MONEY not in Eilat nor in the Dead Sea no matter if you put in 4 days or 34 days! They are lying to spg by not putting any Standard rooms, and therefore they don't have to take points!

 WHY ARE U SCREAMING BY USING CAPs!!!

 I know you have read at least 1 time what William has posted on FT, that its 1000% OK for any *W Hotel to sell ALL of its Standard rooms to a wholesaler even for the full year. If it does this then they are well within their Rights according to *W/SPG. that means yes they wont have any rooms to offer for free nights or C&P.

 If U dont like this policy theres a very Simple solution dont accumulate *W pts or stay at any *W Hotel

 William looked into this  in depth when The Plaza was doing the exact samething and posted what I wrote above that they werent doing anything against the T&Cs of their contract = nothing he or anyone can do

 At times when a Hotel does this you can use more pts and get a Deluxe Room, but no Hotel needs to offer these either.

 What I dont understand is why if you know a Hotel is playing do U still want to stay there as most likey they will play games with everything as well. Now I read on numerous posts how people want to Sell their SPG pts or to buy them, or how someone is willing to pay part of the stay if they can get credit for the stay. Well,IMO if you guys can do things that are against the T&Cs of SPG then why cant the Hotels ???  You cant have it both ways

 I hope people start acting their age rather then their shoe size and this pretains to anyone who is complaining about any *W hotel while they do things that arent Kosher themselves
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: SuperFlyer on May 05, 2010, 04:57:54 PM
An option would be to move to mainland europe, as the shoe sizes are different.
A 3 year old would have around size 20.
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: steve2 on May 05, 2010, 05:07:47 PM
An option would be to move to mainland europe, as the shoe sizes are different.
A 3 year old would have around size 20.

 hey I saw your feet today that means its time for U to retire ,LoL
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: SuperFlyer on May 05, 2010, 05:11:51 PM
Actually 42-43. if I need to retire, what's the story with you? Expiring, or just a plain fossil?

Where did you say you saw my feet today?
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: steve2 on May 05, 2010, 06:34:26 PM

Actually 42-43. if I need to retire, what's the story with you? Expiring, or just a plain fossil?


 Neither in the US Im known as "the Missing Link"

Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: Deal Guy on May 05, 2010, 09:59:09 PM
WHY ARE U SCREAMING BY USING CAPs!!!

 I know you have read at least 1 time what William has posted on FT, that its 1000% OK for any *W Hotel to sell ALL of its Standard rooms to a wholesaler even for the full year. If it does this then they are well within their Rights according to *W/SPG. that means yes they wont have any rooms to offer for free nights or C&P.

 If U dont like this policy theres a very Simple solution dont accumulate *W pts or stay at any *W Hotel

 William looked into this  in depth when The Plaza was doing the exact samething and posted what I wrote above that they werent doing anything against the T&Cs of their contract = nothing he or anyone can do

 At times when a Hotel does this you can use more pts and get a Deluxe Room, but no Hotel needs to offer these either.

 What I dont understand is why if you know a Hotel is playing do U still want to stay there as most likey they will play games with everything as well. Now I read on numerous posts how people want to Sell their SPG pts or to buy them, or how someone is willing to pay part of the stay if they can get credit for the stay. Well,IMO if you guys can do things that are against the T&Cs of SPG then why cant the Hotels ???  You cant have it both ways

 I hope people start acting their age rather then their shoe size and this pretains to anyone who is complaining about any *W hotel while they do things that arent Kosher themselves

How dare you come here and accuse me of doing things that aren't kosher? How dare you say that I deal with buying or selling points?! For the record, I never sold or bought "1" spg point other from spg.com directly (3 years ago), and paid them the full 3.5 cents!

You are the one that proudly writes that when you travel you don't look like a Jew, but those of us that do dress somewhat Jewish, are probably making a chillul Hashem all the time. That's the wrong attitude! You can dress like a Jew and behave. You always write that people are doing things wrong, and make up wrongful accusations for no reason, just because you are mad at the world, and your shoe size being many leap years older than most viewers here. You can't make up false accusations at people, just because you had a bad day!!  I'm sure there are others out there that you insulted that will agree with me.

As for your arguments, you don't make any sense. Even if you find people that do things against the t&c's, what gives established properties the right to do so as well. Even if a great whopping "10%" of spg account holders may do so, the overall majority just earn points and want to use them the kosher way. The hotels and the spg chain are big established companies, and they must play by the rules. Besides, normal hotels play by the rules, and it's just some properties in Israel that think they are above the law.

  The Le Meridian Eilat is different than what you wrote about FT. They did not sell all their standard rooms to a wholesaler. They do have standard rooms, and if you call the hotel directly without mentioning Starwoods name, they will sell you a standard room in a second. Also you can go onto fattal.co.il, which is the hotel chain that owns these and other properties in Israel, and you will find standard rooms available amongst all other room types. That is no wholesaler,that's the hotel themselves!!  How will you explain that when I spoke to a fattal reservation agent, and she offering me a standard room in Eilat, I then asked her why I can't have it for spg points, that she was stumped. She gave me a couple of lame excuses about miminum length of stay, and after I showed her that there is no rooms for points even for 2 weeks, she put me on hold. After speaking to her superviser she came back to me, and told me that the reason there is no availability is because, "WE DON'T TAKE STARWOOD POINTS IN JULY AND AUGUST. WHAT DO YOU WANT, WE NEED TO MAKE MONEY, THIS IS JULY AND AUGUST". I responded by telling her that while I understand that it's July and August, and it's a busy season, she needs to understand that it happens to be July and August in THE ENTIRE WORLD, and no other starwood properties in other countries play this game, and if you are a partner in February, you need to be a partner in July!

I will add that high levels in spg corporate are currently aware of this, and have passed this on to a very high level in Starwood's management.
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: steve2 on May 06, 2010, 02:31:28 PM
How dare you come here and accuse me of doing things that aren't kosher? How dare you say that I deal with buying or selling points?! For the record, I never sold or bought "1" spg point other from spg.com directly (3 years ago), and paid them the full 3.5 cents!

You are the one that proudly writes that when you travel you don't look like a Jew, but those of us that do dress somewhat Jewish, are probably making a chillul Hashem all the time. That's the wrong attitude! You can dress like a Jew and behave. You always write that people are doing things wrong, and make up wrongful accusations for no reason, just because you are mad at the world, and your shoe size being many leap years older than most viewers here. You can't make up false accusations at people, just because you had a bad day!!  I'm sure there are others out there that you insulted that will agree with me.

As for your arguments, you don't make any sense. Even if you find people that do things against the t&c's, what gives established properties the right to do so as well. Even if a great whopping "10%" of spg account holders may do so, the overall majority just earn points and want to use them the kosher way. The hotels and the spg chain are big established companies, and they must play by the rules. Besides, normal hotels play by the rules, and it's just some properties in Israel that think they are above the law.

  The Le Meridian Eilat is different than what you wrote about FT. They did not sell all their standard rooms to a wholesaler. They do have standard rooms, and if you call the hotel directly without mentioning Starwoods name, they will sell you a standard room in a second. Also you can go onto fattal.co.il, which is the hotel chain that owns these and other properties in Israel, and you will find standard rooms available amongst all other room types. That is no wholesaler,that's the hotel themselves!!  How will you explain that when I spoke to a fattal reservation agent, and she offering me a standard room in Eilat, I then asked her why I can't have it for spg points, that she was stumped. She gave me a couple of lame excuses about miminum length of stay, and after I showed her that there is no rooms for points even for 2 weeks, she put me on hold. After speaking to her superviser she came back to me, and told me that the reason there is no availability is because, "WE DON'T TAKE STARWOOD POINTS IN JULY AND AUGUST. WHAT DO YOU WANT, WE NEED TO MAKE MONEY, THIS IS JULY AND AUGUST". I responded by telling her that while I understand that it's July and August, and it's a busy season, she needs to understand that it happens to be July and August in THE ENTIRE WORLD, and no other starwood properties in other countries play this game, and if you are a partner in February, you need to be a partner in July!

I will add that high levels in spg corporate are currently aware of this, and have passed this on to a very high level in Starwood's management.


 1- I didnt say that YOU bought or sold although I do recall that you did at least 1 time try to sell a room you had reserved at The Tiberias Plaza for $$$.

 2- As I already said and YOU already knew but may have forgotten, William on FT already said a Hotel is 1000% wiothin its Rights and not braking any T&C of SPG to sell its entire inventory of Standard rooms for the FULL yr to a wholesaler = thiusly not having a single room available for Pts or C&P for the FULL yr.

If you dont like this and it was made known back in '09 dont participate with the SPG program, I dont beleive anyone is forcing you to use the Amex SPG CC or actually pay for a room/s at any *W Hotel.Its your choice and as longas any *W Hotel isnt braking the Contract you are stuck with that.

seems U dont like it but dont want to leave *W thats YOUR PROBLEM, BTW did U try and see if the Crowne Plaza was available for the same period of time using PC pts?

 If LeM in Eliat is as U say then it seems they are Braking their Contract and inform William or other higher ups and Im sure theyw ill look into it, Although I wouldnt be surprised if they simply end up selling all thier Standard rooms to a wholesaler to gte around it. There are numerous watys for any *W Hotel to get around it and within their Rights to do so.

 you arent then only person complaining and thusly why I said "you guys.." and not "you or moefl" you for whatever reason still Love to take whatever I post as Personal thats your decission but it seems now not only do you want *W to abide by what YOU deem to be fair but wish to take whatever I post in a way I ddint write it.

 Finally I just got off my BRU-JFK flight this morn before leaving I was online and noticed Dan had Deleted a post by you he said due to it being a Personl attck. Fortunately or unfortunately I never read what you priginally posted it was Deleted before I was able to.

But to follow in a classic Seinfield episode, NO CARS for YOU. So please do not PM me as you did the other week, if Dan had to Delete what you wrote Im really not interested in helping YOU save any $$

 You feel to realize that what might appear to be Unfair and Against the Rules for aHotel to do, just might not be the Truth. eg selling all of a Hotels Standard rooms toa wholesaler for the entire year is within their rights
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: Dan on May 06, 2010, 02:41:16 PM
NO CARS for YOU.
Lol.

My opinion on this is that yes, Starwood hotels in Israel have been gaming the system for years.  You just need to game it back at them.
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: Deal Guy on May 06, 2010, 03:30:04 PM
1- I didnt say that YOU bought or sold although I do recall that you did at least 1 time try to sell a room you had reserved at The Tiberias Plaza for $$$.

 2- As I already said and YOU already knew but may have forgotten, William on FT already said a Hotel is 1000% wiothin its Rights and not braking any T&C of SPG to sell its entire inventory of Standard rooms for the FULL yr to a wholesaler = thiusly not having a single room available for Pts or C&P for the FULL yr.

If you dont like this and it was made known back in '09 dont participate with the SPG program, I dont beleive anyone is forcing you to use the Amex SPG CC or actually pay for a room/s at any *W Hotel.Its your choice and as longas any *W Hotel isnt braking the Contract you are stuck with that.

seems U dont like it but dont want to leave *W thats YOUR PROBLEM, BTW did U try and see if the Crowne Plaza was available for the same period of time using PC pts?

 If LeM in Eliat is as U say then it seems they are Braking their Contract and inform William or other higher ups and Im sure theyw ill look into it, Although I wouldnt be surprised if they simply end up selling all thier Standard rooms to a wholesaler to gte around it. There are numerous watys for any *W Hotel to get around it and within their Rights to do so.

 you arent then only person complaining and thusly why I said "you guys.." and not "you or moefl" you for whatever reason still Love to take whatever I post as Personal thats your decission but it seems now not only do you want *W to abide by what YOU deem to be fair but wish to take whatever I post in a way I ddint write it.

 Finally I just got off my BRU-JFK flight this morn before leaving I was online and noticed Dan had Deleted a post by you he said due to it being a Personl attck. Fortunately or unfortunately I never read what you priginally posted it was Deleted before I was able to.

But to follow in a classic Seinfield episode, NO CARS for YOU. So please do not PM me as you did the other week, if Dan had to Delete what you wrote Im really not interested in helping YOU save any $$

 You feel to realize that what might appear to be Unfair and Against the Rules for aHotel to do, just might not be the Truth. eg selling all of a Hotels Standard rooms toa wholesaler for the entire year is within their rights

You fail to realize my point, that in this case they have NOT sold out to a retailer, and therefore it's not similar to the case of William on FT. You can't compare apples to oranges!
  As with regard to CARS, it's not like you wanted to help anyone as you posted on April 21:

  "People I mean what I say be it in a post,PM or email

 If I say I wont book something for You for whatever reason,I mean it please dont PM or email me about it. Once I make that determination thats it

 also Im heading West till next Tues so it will be very difficult for me to book or quote anyting till Im back in NY, then Ill be Overseas 5/2-5/6"


 ( As for my deleted post, don't feel bad that you didn't see it, since it's the same message that you read)
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: moish on May 06, 2010, 03:31:35 PM
steve2 while reading your post i was wondering why you were being so civil as i assumed you had read the post.....until i got the part where it was deleted
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: steve2 on May 06, 2010, 03:36:20 PM
Lol.

My opinion on this is that yes, Starwood hotels in Israel have been gaming the system for years.  You just need to game it back at them.

 Thats what William more or less said, but since we were most likely Gaming Them before they started Gaming Us, why do we get ticked off when they do it to Us yet we do it to Them. Id still rather it be we game them and they dont game us, but Fair is Fair and as long as they are 100% within the Rights (even if I dont like it) then I take my Hat off to them, while others feel its best to scream Unfair

 as for moefl I remember very clearly back in mid '09 he had up a thread trying to Sell his room at The Plaza in Tiberias, why is that OK its was and still is against SPG T&Cs, why is it ok for him or anyone else to do whatever is against the Rules yet if a Hotel does something Look Out Baby
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: moish on May 06, 2010, 03:40:17 PM
find the post
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: steve2 on May 06, 2010, 03:49:42 PM
You fail to realize my point, that in this case they have NOT sold out to a retailer, and therefore it's not similar to the case of William on FT. You can't compare apples to oranges!
  As with regard to CARS, it's not like you wanted to help anyone as you posted on April 21:

  "People I mean what I say be it in a post,PM or email

 If I say I wont book something for You for whatever reason,I mean it please dont PM or email me about it. Once I make that determination thats it

 also Im heading West till next Tues so it will be very difficult for me to book or quote anyting till Im back in NY, then Ill be Overseas 5/2-5/6"


 ( As for my deleted post, don't feel bad that you didn't see it, since it's the same message that you read)

 what the hay??? that post about the Cars was really meant for YOU after all you must have PMed well over 1/2 dz times I told you once I say something I mean it , so I posted that very simply for people to know if I say something I mean it. Ive booked countless cars for people and after all is said and done I made all of $0 in total. Heck SuperFlyer couldnt believe it when I told it to him yesterday that if I could help someone save a few $$ why not, I dont need the money so its my pleasure being able to help someone with no strings attached

I even PMed Dan on FT (wasnt able to on DD at the time) the name and email address for the room mgr in Venice for the Westin so that maybe he could score a nice Upgrade, he didnt ask me for that info and I didnt get anything for it nor did I expect anything, just felt if I can help someone out why not EVEN DAN. BTW he reserved a car another $0 to be made on his res It seems if anyone has a Problem its You. Ive met my share of whiners but Man do U take the cake

 As I said it seems if what you wrote is true that the LeM in Eilat might be braking its contract but that doesnt seem to be the case with The LeM at The Dead Sea. Bout all we can do is report what we feel is when a Hotel is doing something wrong and *W Corp will look into it, Willaim had that done with The Plaza and it turned out The Plaza was 100% doing things by the book. It stunk but it was within the T&Cs. so let SPG checkout both of these and report back whats what.It could be Eliat is braking the T&Cs and maybe they will simply redo how they are doing things so that theyw ill be within the T&Cs but the outcome will be the same for all of us NO ROOMS for US
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: Deal Guy on May 06, 2010, 03:52:56 PM
what the hay??? that post about the Cars was really meant for YOU after all you must have PMed well over 1/2 dz times I told you once I say something I mean it , so I posted that very simply for people to know if I say something I mean it. Ive booked countless cars for people and after all is said and done I made all of $0 in total. Heck SuperFlyer couldnt believe it when I told it to him yesterday that if I could help someone save a few $$ why not, I dont need the money so its my pleasure being able to help someone with no strings attached

I even PMed Dan on FT (wasnt able to on DD at the time) the name and email address for the room mgr in Venice for the Westin so that maybe he could score a nice Upgrade, he didnt ask me for that info and I didnt get anything for it nor did I expect anything, just felt if I can help someone out why not EVEN DAN. BTW he reserved a car another $0 to be made on his res It seems if anyone has a Problem its You. Ive met my share of whiners but Man do U take the cake

 As I said it seems if what you wrote is true that the LeM in Eilat might be braking its contract but that doesnt seem to be the case with The LeM at The Dead Sea. Bout all we can do is report what we feel is when a Hotel is doing something wrong and *W Corp will look into it, Willaim had that done with The Plaza and it turned out The Plaza was 100% doing things by the book. It stunk but it was within the T&Cs. so let SPG checkout both of these and report back whats what.It could be Eliat is braking the T&Cs and maybe they will simply redo how they are doing things so that theyw ill be within the T&Cs but the outcome will be the same for all of us NO ROOMS for US

Eilat AND the Dead sea are both playing the same game for July and August
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: steve2 on May 06, 2010, 03:53:28 PM
find the post

 ask him Im 100% positive that he wont deny having made it
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: moish on May 06, 2010, 03:55:04 PM
what about rooms in may and june? could anyone help me score one?
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: steve2 on May 06, 2010, 03:55:32 PM
Eilat AND the Dead sea are both playing the same game for July and August

 The dead Sea is selling Standard rooms if you call them? people have posted they saw standard rooms avaialble on other sites which can be true as the wholesalers could have made them available to those sites. What did U find with the Crowne Plaza?
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: Deal Guy on May 06, 2010, 03:59:43 PM
Thats what William more or less said, but since we were most likely Gaming Them before they started Gaming Us, why do we get ticked off when they do it to Us yet we do it to Them. Id still rather it be we game them and they dont game us, but Fair is Fair and as long as they are 100% within the Rights (even if I dont like it) then I take my Hat off to them, while others feel its best to scream Unfair

 as for moefl I remember very clearly back in mid '09 he had up a thread trying to Sell his room at The Plaza in Tiberias, why is that OK its was and still is against SPG T&Cs, why is it ok for him or anyone else to do whatever is against the Rules yet if a Hotel does something Look Out Baby

How can you think that MOST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD are gaming them. I would like to think that most people Jews and Non Jews alike, are just using the points the right way.
  And back to the main topic, even if you brought me undisputable proof, that 98% of SPG account holders are playing games, it is still ONLY THE 2 LE MERIDIAN PROPERTIES IN ISRAEL, that think they can outsmart everyone else, while the other 900 spg properties, don't do so, and they understand that July and August is just like February and March.
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: Dan on May 06, 2010, 04:00:54 PM
what about rooms in may and june? could anyone help me score one?
Play with the dates, there are minimum stays in effect.
http://www.dansdeals.com/forums/index.php?topic=2157.msg19091#msg19091
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: moish on May 06, 2010, 04:03:11 PM
i tried it and it didnt work
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: Deal Guy on May 06, 2010, 04:04:25 PM
The dead Sea is selling Standard rooms if you call them? people have posted they saw standard rooms avaialble on other sites which can be true as the wholesalers could have made them available to those sites. What did U find with the Crowne Plaza?

Steve2, go to page 2 on this forum, and check out the 5th post on the page, where I compare a 15 day stay at the dead sea on spg.com versus the hotel's own fattal website. AM I WRONG?
  As for the CP, i don't have points, and as Dan once noted, he said the Le Meridian has better reviews.
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: Deal Guy on May 06, 2010, 04:06:12 PM
I tried May the other day. It could be that since it's only a couple of days or weeks away, they may be truly sold out.
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: Dan on May 06, 2010, 04:11:57 PM
I tried May the other day. It could be that since it's only a couple of days or weeks away, they may be truly sold out.
May 18th and later is bookable online.
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: Deal Guy on May 06, 2010, 04:13:40 PM
May 18th and later is bookable online.

Dan, have you figured out how to get around July and August at either property?
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: Dan on May 06, 2010, 04:28:40 PM
I know these are bookable at LMDS.
05/18-06/02
06/14-06/29
Have you tried calling SPG to see how many points they want for the exec room?
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: steve2 on May 06, 2010, 04:30:04 PM
How can you think that MOST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD are gaming them. I would like to think that most people Jews and Non Jews alike, are just using the points the right way.
  And back to the main topic, even if you brought me undisputable proof, that 98% of SPG account holders are playing games, it is still ONLY THE 2 LE MERIDIAN PROPERTIES IN ISRAEL, that think they can outsmart everyone else, while the other 900 spg properties, don't do so, and they understand that July and August is just like February and March.

 I dont think most people are gaming SPG, at least not those on DD or FT or SD or FW. the vast majority of people wouldnt think to sell their Pts or try to get someone to stay while they get the stay credit etc etc. Most people probably play by the rules as they read them. how many people do you think would fly LAX-HNL-SFO-SYD-MEL-and then immediately MEL-SYD-SFO-HNL-LAX very few and they probably never heard of FT eitehr. Do you really think theres tons of people Mattress hopping out there? I dont and Ive been doing it for over 20 yrs

 Even William posted he never saw a Hotel that was so agressive as The J Plaza was, with how it played with its Inventory in all the yrs he has been with SPG. So since Fattal was partners with Boymelgreen I guess they simply decided to do the same with their other hotels.I get it all the time be it SPG,Marriott or Hilton sorry Mr Steve we are sold-out for the nights you will be staying with us so unfortunately no Upgrade is available. Then I simply go onto a computer and print out whats available for the nights Im staying and they give me the Hummer Hummer like Ralph on the Honeymooners. although the last 3 nights in Belgium spent with 3 different Chains all on Free Stays produced some very nice Suites w/o me even asking or saying 1 word.

 You are just dealing with SPG its not only them but with them all Each has its own T&Cs thats why people get ticked when they dont get afree breakfast at a Westin that doesnt have a Lounge, since at the last Westin they said Oh your a Plat bkfst is on Us. Thast fine but its NOT a SPG benefit so then they get MAD when all the others dont offer it. The Marriott in Ghent gave me a Suite its not a Plat benefit with Marriott so i cant complain when I dont get it at teh next Marriott I stay at, I was perfectly happy getting it on Mon night and was fully aware that it was done by the kindness of THAT hotel only.

 Now the Main thing is to know if a Hotel is actually braking the T&Cs or not, and not how can they get away with this, it seems unfair.thats exactly how I felt with the JP till William explained it all, and I told him under those coditions I stiill dont like it but I do take my hat off to them for playing it very well from their side of things even thou it costs me. now if in fact these 2 LeMs are braking the T&CS then Im 1000% positive SPG will put an end to it, of cause it might mean both Hotels leaving *W from their side. But Im sure if a person yes even You can show *W where theres actual foulplay going on they will stop it. Again keep in mind nothing stops these Hotels from simply being in cohoots with a Wholesaler and giving that ws all their Standard Rooms for the Full yr and then that hotel wont have to allow even 1 free night

 So I will only assume if they are found to be braking the rules then either they will leave *W or will simply find a way within their T&Cs to still keep any free rooms off the mkt, it really isnt that hard to accomplish,Unfortunately
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: moish on May 06, 2010, 04:32:26 PM
LAX-HNL-SFO-SYD-MEL. can you explain y you did that?
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: steve2 on May 06, 2010, 04:35:12 PM
Steve2, go to page 2 on this forum, and check out the 5th post on the page, where I compare a 15 day stay at the dead sea on spg.com versus the hotel's own fattal website. AM I WRONG?
  As for the CP, i don't have points, and as Dan once noted, he said the Le Meridian has better reviews.

 so 1 is better then the other, if its free who cares!

 Tues night I stayed at the Crowne Plaza in Brugge only I didnt have any PC pts, so I traded with someone

 I was told last yr that 25k PC = 7k SPG so maybe if its avaialble you can make a Trade with someone on here for their PC pts and you owe them SPG or something else what ever you agree to. Its always nice to do an even steven trade but at times you might have to offer alittle more so taht the other party comes out slightly ahead
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: steve2 on May 06, 2010, 04:37:58 PM
LAX-HNL-SFO-SYD-MEL. can you explain y you did that?

I didnt but last summer it was like $500 r/t and doing LAX-HNL-SFO added apx 10k in EQMs to the net total, most people on FT arent looking how to get something for nothing perse but rather How can I get top Status level for as little $$ out of pocket as possible. those who did those Flew out of Fri got to MEL on Sun and were back in LA late Sun night or early Mon morn and then went to work w/o taking any time off. Also it was DEQMs double status pts so that extra 10k really meant an extra 20k towards the 100k they needed to fly

Of cause we cant do it on those days
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: moish on May 06, 2010, 04:39:46 PM
$500 la to ozzie? thats crazy
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: steve2 on May 06, 2010, 04:42:25 PM
$500 la to ozzie? thats crazy

 we are getting OT but my last trip to LA was JFK-LAX-SFO-ONT a reg JFK-LAX is 4950 EQMs doing what I did I got 7k do taht a few times ayear and you save alot of $$$

 yea last yr when DL started up SYD service I got NY-SYD for $700 now its $1000

 now back to bashing Fattal
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: Dan on May 06, 2010, 04:44:42 PM
I'm just going to repeat what I said on page 1 and leave it at that.

They are gaming the system, and we have to put a end to their practices, both in Yam Hamelach, and in Eilat!

They are gaming the system, but we've lost 8 Israeli SPG's since 2007...don't want to lose any more!
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: moish on May 06, 2010, 04:47:28 PM
dan im having trouble using your formula with eilat. do you know which dates are available?
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: Dan on May 06, 2010, 04:52:42 PM
I know these are bookable at LMDS.
05/18-06/02
06/14-06/29
Have you tried calling SPG to see how many points they want for the exec room?
dan im having trouble using your formula with eilat. do you know which dates are available?
The dates I posted were for the L.M.D.S. not L.M.E.
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: moish on May 06, 2010, 04:55:23 PM
i know. the question is if you know a way to beat the system with eilat
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: moish on May 06, 2010, 04:58:54 PM
scratch that, i got one in june
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: steve2 on May 06, 2010, 05:04:35 PM
I'm just going to repeat what I said on page 1 and leave it at that.


 Very True , You can win the battle but yet Lose the war
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: Deal Guy on May 06, 2010, 08:14:41 PM
so 1 is better then the other, if its free who cares!

 Tues night I stayed at the Crowne Plaza in Brugge only I didnt have any PC pts, so I traded with someone

 I was told last yr that 25k PC = 7k SPG so maybe if its avaialble you can make a Trade with someone on here for their PC pts and you owe them SPG or something else what ever you agree to. Its always nice to do an even steven trade but at times you might have to offer alittle more so taht the other party comes out slightly ahead

So are you actually suggesting (as you have done many times here on DD) that I can do something that isn't all that kosher?? For someone that is always so outspoken about people breaking the rules, why do you constantly suggest bartering points between different programs? Is bartering so much better then selling?
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: Deal Guy on May 06, 2010, 08:20:08 PM


 Now the Main thing is to know if a Hotel is actually braking the T&Cs or not, and not how can they get away with this, it seems unfair.thats exactly how I felt with the JP till William explained it all, and I told him under those coditions I stiill dont like it but I do take my hat off to them for playing it very well from their side of things even thou it costs me. now if in fact these 2 LeMs are braking the T&CS then Im 1000% positive SPG will put an end to it, of cause it might mean both Hotels leaving *W from their side. But Im sure if a person yes even You can show *W where theres actual foulplay going on they will stop it. Again keep in mind nothing stops these Hotels from simply being in cohoots with a Wholesaler and giving that ws all their Standard Rooms for the Full yr and then that hotel wont have to allow even 1 free night

 So I will only assume if they are found to be braking the rules then either they will leave *W or will simply find a way within their T&Cs to still keep any free rooms off the mkt, it really isnt that hard to accomplish,Unfortunately

I just want to repeat, that spg corporate offices are aware of their games, and while they are quite limited in dealing with them since they are a franshise hotel, nevertheless they are working on getting something resolved.
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: steve2 on May 06, 2010, 09:09:00 PM
So are you actually suggesting (as you have done many times here on DD) that I can do something that isn't all that kosher?? For someone that is always so outspoken about people breaking the rules, why do you constantly suggest bartering points between different programs? Is bartering so much better then selling?


 1- with most Programs there is absolutly nothing wrong in Gifting someone a free stay or a free tkt, and in turn theres nothing wrong with them gifting you something. No different then you can gift me $9500 in cash say in BRU this morn and you are on the same flight with $9500 cash yourself. Once thru everything I can say hey moefl I dont really feel good about accepting such a gift from you and return it to You, had you kept it all and were stopped you would have been in trouble for bringing in $10k in cash or more

 I take it you disagree with the Halacha regarding an esrog on the 1st day of Succos where if I dont have 1 I need to use 1 that isnt mine but that doesnt work on the 1st day so I have to take it from a person as Gift with the Intent to Return It, it must be Mine,

so i used "trade" so its understood what must take place but its really 2 people Gifting each other something, no different then the Esrog

 so in terms that You will Understand I was Suggesting that You or anyone offer to Gift X to someone else and in turn they will Gift Y to you, which as far as I know isnt against any of the T&Cs of the various programs but I can be wrong
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: steve2 on May 06, 2010, 09:19:17 PM
I just want to repeat, that spg corporate offices are aware of their games, and while they are quite limited in dealing with them since they are a franshise hotel, nevertheless they are working on getting something resolved.

 why are they Limited?? If they are braking the T&Cs of their contract then they should be warned to clean up or be thrown out of *W which they probably want to happen anyway, the Hotels that is, could very well be they are locked into a contract and have no choice and cant simply walk away w/o having to pay alot of $$$$

 If on the other hand they arent braking any of the T&Cs theres not much *W can do. eg say Israeli Hotels is the corporation that owns these Hotels and that same corporation has a wholesale biz called Fattal. So in fact what is happening is IH is selling Fattal all its Standard rooms, then *W cant do anything since its 2 different companies even thou its the same owner unless the contract says this cant occur.

 I have no idea if Fattal is the actual owner of the Hotels or if its 1 company that owns this which in turn owns that, as is the case many times in biz.

 So whats unknown is why *W wont do anything is it due to the Corp game that is played as described above, or is it due to not wanting to lose the revenue that these Hotels are paying, or even a 3rd or 4th reason

 as David Copperfield says , Your eyes seems to play games with your mind = not everything you see and think is taking place is actually what you saw or took place

Id say if these 2 Hotels are current with their payments to *W then *W will look the other way, this wasnt the case with The Plaza and the other 4 which were way behind in making its payments and supposingly were playing wiith the #s so that they showed they owed less then what they actually did to *W
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: Dan on May 06, 2010, 09:29:04 PM
I'm with you Steve, I wouldn't be surprised if Fattal is doing this on purpose to get thrown out of SPG.

It's not unlike those who roam excessively off of the Sprint network in hope of getting terminated, and out of their contract for free.

The L.M.D.S. and L.M.E. are both under contract with SPG but Fattal probably wants them to get thrown out of their contract for free.  Most of Fattal properties are not under SPG, no reason for these to be left in the program.


Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: steve2 on May 06, 2010, 10:51:27 PM
 In my opinion if all a person wants is to be able to stay for free in israel the only Hotel program they should be with is Prioirty Club = ICH Group = Holiday Inn/Intercontinental/Crowne Plaza

 They are the ONLY US chain that has Hotels throughout Israel.True they wont be on the level on what the SPG were but then again there  are 3 SPGs left and probably in the not so far future Only the Sheraton In TelAviv

If its 5* hotels U want then you must be willing to pay $$ for them, what was , was, and *W will most likely never be in Isreal what it once was. sort of like TWAas the big player in the TLV mkt once they went under AA didnt go in and CO became the Big Game in town. yet for those who had tons of TWA miles CO didnt help them since CO wasnt apart of OW. people cried Unfair and kicked and screamed and yelled at AA but AA still didnt go in. So either you flew AA to LHR and went with BA from there which was never easy finding award space or you switched to CO like most people did and used your AA miles whenever you could to wherever you could

So Unfortunately once again either a person can carry-on throwing tantrums like a baby or move on to another program which can for the while take care of their needs. Its up to each person to decide for themselves

 
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: Deal Guy on May 06, 2010, 11:07:42 PM
1- with most Programs there is absolutly nothing wrong in Gifting someone a free stay or a free tkt, and in turn theres nothing wrong with them gifting you something. No different then you can gift me $9500 in cash say in BRU this morn and you are on the same flight with $9500 cash yourself. Once thru everything I can say hey moefl I dont really feel good about accepting such a gift from you and return it to You, had you kept it all and were stopped you would have been in trouble for bringing in $10k in cash or more

 I take it you disagree with the Halacha regarding an esrog on the 1st day of Succos where if I dont have 1 I need to use 1 that isnt mine but that doesnt work on the 1st day so I have to take it from a person as Gift with the Intent to Return It, it must be Mine,

so i used "trade" so its understood what must take place but its really 2 people Gifting each other something, no different then the Esrog

 so in terms that You will Understand I was Suggesting that You or anyone offer to Gift X to someone else and in turn they will Gift Y to you, which as far as I know isnt against any of the T&Cs of the various programs but I can be wrong

I personally agree with the concept,so there is no reason to really need to explain anything. It's just you that was calling selling points not kosher earlier. I find it extemely ironic that on a few minutes ago you posted THIS:

""and if You wish to in turn give him a Gift Id say 75 picturres of George Washington sounds nice""

So once again, it would be nice if you stuck to your guns, in my opinion
 
 
 
 
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: steve2 on May 06, 2010, 11:30:43 PM
I personally agree with the concept,so there is no reason to really need to explain anything. It's just you that was calling selling points not kosher earlier. I find it extemely ironic that on a few minutes ago you posted THIS:

""and if You wish to in turn give him a Gift Id say 75 picturres of George Washington sounds nice""

So once again, it would be nice if you stuck to your guns, in my opinion
 
 
 
 


 anyone can offer any Gift to Dan, Dan asked for 1 type that doesnt mean I or You cant offer him something else and its up to him if he wishes to accept it or not

 Is Selling against the T&Cs of most if not all of the different Programs YES. will most of the programs really Care, no as long as the person isnt making a biz out of it. Thats why even AA lets people go who have sold w/o taking away all their Miles. But if they found that person to be constantly Selling then Yes they will Close that persons acct and cancel all of that persons miles out. No different then Hidden Citys or booking back to backs or the fuel dumping. Do it everyday and look out on the other hand if a person does it only once in a blue moon and is a frequent flyer or stayer then the company will look the other way.

 In my 30+ yrs of flying and hotel staying I cant remember a single time where I Sold or Bought Miles or Pts, which means most of the people on DD werent even alive when I was already playing the Game. Would I have if it made sense , Most likely but it Never was worth it to me,eg My BRU flight was 40k AA or $2200 if buying, the most Id get for 40k is say $600. Since unlike alot of people Im not in a biz where I can keep printing Miles or Hotel pts to the tune of Millions of them I value them for my own usage. Thats on top of having to actually fly UA for 100k EQMs

 My game is to spend as little as I can to achieve UA 1K , Plat with Marriott,SPG and Diamond with Hilton. NOTICE I left Hyatt out I dont stay at them, yes the FFNs are great but they just arent where I need to be, so Id rather get the Stay credit with the other chains. Since I can still get decent Hotels in Yeru for apx $100 a night I have no problems paying for them even thou they are non-chains = no nothing.

 If on the other hand all a person wants is something for Nothing very much like your attitude then they will keep running into problems
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: Dan on May 06, 2010, 11:36:28 PM
OT, but Hyatt Diamond treatment is light-years ahead ahead of SPG/HH/MR.  I know they are short on hotels but it's more than compensated for in just how awesome they treat you.
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: Dan on May 07, 2010, 12:54:18 AM
Just deleted 6 posts, tf there's 1 more personal attack in this thread I'm locking it down for good...
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: steve2 on May 07, 2010, 01:14:20 AM
OT, but Hyatt Diamond treatment is light-years ahead ahead of SPG/HH/MR.  I know they are short on hotels but it's more than compensated for in just how awesome they treat you.

 I agree but the 2 Hyatts in Israel have also gone good-bye and like SPG there just arent enough around where I need them to be. Heck once pass Parsipanny NJ theres nothing till Cayhua Falls,OH, yet there are penty of Hamptons or Fairfields and even some Courtyards in PA along the I-80  and tons of Holiday Inns

 I think after Jersey City the next hyatt is in dearborn till it deflags in the near future

A very good reason for spraeding the wealth is take Belgium, not 1 Hyatt, the only *Ws are in Brussels, Antwepern has a Hilton and thats it, Ghent has a Marriott and thats it (the 2 Holiday ins are so far from the Centre its not funny), and Brugge has a Crowne Plaza and thats it.

 London is ok with Hiltons and Marriotts but Hyatt and *W are left far behind, Rome a nice choice of *W no Hyatt except for Milano and who wants to go there.

i know there are some awesome Hyatts in Asia but I can find other chains taht will do for me. So I'll leave Hyatt to everyone else
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: batzelda1 on May 12, 2010, 11:01:35 AM
Hate to post on this thread but has anyone actually tried what Dan said and made a reservation for many days only to change the dates over the phone? I would like to get two rooms at LMDS for 5/30 and Im first running into these issues....
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: Deal Guy on May 12, 2010, 02:50:14 PM
Hate to post on this thread but has anyone actually tried what Dan said and made a reservation for many days only to change the dates over the phone? I would like to get two rooms at LMDS for 5/30 and Im first running into these issues....

Well, since you're well within your cancellation time frame, why don't you go right ahead and book the stay and then call back later to cancel the extra nights, and let us know if it works for you. :D
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: batzelda1 on May 13, 2010, 06:39:21 AM
thanks for the help
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: SuperFlyer on May 15, 2010, 07:22:31 PM
As I previously said, I made it all over the phone.
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: steve2 on May 17, 2010, 02:39:31 PM
 just back from a day at Ein Boqeq or better put Fattal Land

 They own the whole South side, the old NovoTel is now Leonardo, the old Nivara is now Leonardo Club, the old Sheraton is now Leonardo Plaza

 the old Lem in Haifa is now called Le Leonardo why do i have the feeling there will be a Le Leonardo in Ein boqeq in the near future

that leaves 4 other main Hotels not theirs, Isrotel (old Ceasar) Daniel (old Golden Tulip) royal and Crowne Plaza
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: moish on May 17, 2010, 06:34:51 PM
i think the guy that came up with the leonardo name and logo should be fired. so ugly.
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: SuperFlyer on May 17, 2010, 07:22:05 PM
do you find the name fattal any better?  the sound is okay, their logo too, but the meaning....
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: batzelda1 on June 04, 2010, 09:55:48 AM
and they did a terrible job taking down the sheraton sign at the plaza....so faded an obvious
Title: Re: HOTEL IN THE DEAD SEA
Post by: batzelda1 on June 04, 2010, 09:56:32 AM
oh if i had taken a picture of the face at check-in at LM Dead Sea when they saw I was using cash and points.

Ata Yodeah - Zeh Lo Ba Im Aruchat Boker!
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: yid on December 12, 2010, 05:53:28 PM
anyone know if there are any halachik issues with staying at the meridian dead sea for shabbos? i remember that when i was there the ac turned off whenever the door was opened. do the rooms have a shabbos mode?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Dan on December 12, 2010, 06:03:34 PM
anyone know if there are any halachik issues with staying at the meridian dead sea for shabbos? i remember that when i was there the ac turned off whenever the door was opened. do the rooms have a shabbos mode?
Usually there are ways to override systems like that with the help of a maintenance worker.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Yordai Dooma on December 12, 2010, 06:10:41 PM
I'm not sure about that particular hotel, but the crowne plaza in jerusalem had the same setup. There was a card in the room showing you how to turn it on "shabbos mode"
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 13, 2010, 02:50:47 AM
im pretty sure theres a shabbos mode there
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on June 09, 2011, 05:06:17 PM
Anyone know if there are kosher restaurants (mehadrin) at the Dead Sea these days?

Does C/P at the Le Meridien include breakfast...is the food mehadrin at all?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on June 09, 2011, 06:24:21 PM
Anyone know if there are kosher restaurants (mehadrin) at the Dead Sea these days?

Does C/P at the Le Meridien include breakfast...is the food mehadrin at all?

Thanks!
There are no mehadrins out there and the hotel also not. Breakfast is not included and they make sure to let you know this very clearly by check-in. Did you manage to book a room there? How?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on June 10, 2011, 05:37:11 AM
Cafe Cafe just opened a branch at the Dead Sea and I spoke with the Mashgiach to ascertain its' kashrus status. For the benefit of the DDF world, I'm posting the information I received here.

Don't necessarily accept this as a conclusive recommendation to eat there and as always, ask your LOR.

Officially, the restaurant (it's a dairy one) is Mehadrin under the local Rabbanut. For those who aren't familiar w/ the local kashrus scene, legally a restaurant is required to have a local certification from the Rabbanut even if they have a national one e.g. Eidah or Rubin etc; Hence, you will see plenty of establishments w/ two.

The Mashgiach said that the vegetables are all Eidah Chareidis w/ the greens under R' Efrati. The fish is under Rubin and Eidah. The milk and cheeses are Mehadrin.

If you're so inclined, you can call the restaurant at 08-658-1688 and ask for the Mashgiach.

Enjoy!
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: damaxer91 on June 13, 2011, 03:08:18 AM
FYI, They have opened some dates for C&P. This week is all open
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on June 13, 2011, 06:58:49 AM
FYI, They have opened some dates for C&P. This week is all open
I'm not seeing it
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: damaxer91 on June 13, 2011, 07:46:52 AM
I'm not seeing it
Gone. Booked 15th-17th for someone
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on June 13, 2011, 08:15:25 AM
I'm not seeing it

what dates are you looking for? as of a couple days the whole of august was available! People in Jerusalem are probably holding rooms for the whole Le Meridien for bein hazmanim

The regular room rate isnt that bad at $125 though
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on June 13, 2011, 08:19:04 AM
Gone. Booked 15th-17th for someone

what month?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: damaxer91 on June 13, 2011, 08:21:19 AM
what month?

June
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: world2see on June 13, 2011, 02:02:42 PM
what month?
Gone. Booked 15th-17th for someone
   the amount of cheesed that runs thru the m.d. points gemach is simply amazing! even rave nachum wouldn't scream about it!
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on June 13, 2011, 04:03:53 PM
Thank you damaxer91 for updating us about it. Some other posters would not, even if asked.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on June 13, 2011, 04:59:39 PM
Thank you damaxer91 for updating us about it. Some other posters would not, even if asked.

how hard is it to search spg.com for availability?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on June 13, 2011, 05:23:42 PM
Mainly using mobile device for these stuff.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on June 14, 2011, 04:05:39 AM
I hear....look...a lot of folks booked rooms (meaning a weeks worth) and will likely cancel some so it would be a good idea to keep searching every now and then and you may very well find something for bein hazmanim
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: ashers on June 14, 2011, 06:33:48 AM
speaking of dead sea, anyone using Priority club reward points for crown plaza in the dead sea??
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: gdam on June 14, 2011, 07:53:31 AM
I used 2 free nights from the last promo for the Crown plaza.  Nice hotel, specially when compared to LM.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: qwerty on June 14, 2011, 01:43:41 PM
just booked the whole bein hazmanim 2 nights at a time
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: damaxer91 on June 15, 2011, 04:13:54 AM
just booked the whole bein hazmanim 2 nights at a time

Very considerate of you....
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on June 15, 2011, 07:21:00 AM
just booked the whole bein hazmanim 2 nights at a time

what do you plan on doing for so long at the dead sea?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: qwerty on June 15, 2011, 01:38:41 PM
well if the meridian would have the c/p option open for more then a day then i wouldnt have to book 2 weeks of reservaition now and cancel later!
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: isac on June 18, 2011, 06:40:39 PM
I used 2 free nights from the last promo for the Crown plaza.  Nice hotel, specially when compared to LM.

Its nicer then the meridean? even then the club rooms (16th floor)?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: lunatic on October 05, 2011, 09:24:36 PM
I just booked a one night stay with points, available on SPG.com
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on October 05, 2011, 09:34:16 PM
these days it's available all the time, no big deal.
Don't know what made them change now though!
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: WAM on October 24, 2011, 09:32:43 AM
Le Meridian is leaving Starwood on January 1, 2012

Source: http://www.starwoodhotels.com/lemeridien/property/overview/index.html?propertyID=1882
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on October 24, 2011, 03:43:26 PM
Well I have an existing reservation for 1/1/12...what will be?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Dan on October 24, 2011, 03:53:36 PM
Well I have an existing reservation for 1/1/12...what will be?
PUTPAC?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on October 24, 2011, 05:26:29 PM
Dan, I lovingly accept the mussar! That said, I had a NIGHTMARE w/ the property that took 2 months to resolve...even after a call to the front desk...so while PUTPAC might be the answer, with this property one needs Senior managers from SPG Corp HQ to resolve any issues IME...
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: WAM on October 24, 2011, 05:48:59 PM
PUTPAC?
Can s/o unabbreviate that for me? TIA
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on October 24, 2011, 05:57:50 PM
Can s/o unabbreviate that for me? TIA

Dan already did:

PUTPAC: Pick up the phone and call.
Example:
Q: Why can't I find any availability on BA.com for JFK-LAX to fly on AA?
A: PUTPAC!
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Dan on October 24, 2011, 06:01:04 PM
http://www.dansdeals.com/wiki/Acronyms
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on October 24, 2011, 06:03:04 PM
http://www.dansdeals.com/wiki/Acronyms

Can't embed that :P
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: bhphotoman on October 24, 2011, 10:54:59 PM
how is the le meriden i booked 3 nights for 9k and i want to no how the hotel is

thanks
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: yid on October 25, 2011, 01:11:40 AM
Well I have an existing reservation for 1/1/12...what will be?
call them and say you have a vacation booked and its not fair that they are cancelling you... when sheraton tiveria left starwood i got 10k or 15k for my stay that they cancelled.
I had a reservation at the dead sea just in case they did this but it was for 12/31/11 -1/1/12  :(
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on October 25, 2011, 03:46:26 AM
call them and say you have a vacation booked and its not fair that they are cancelling you... when sheraton tiveria left starwood i got 10k or 15k for my stay that they cancelled.
I had a reservation at the dead sea just in case they did this but it was for 12/31/11 -1/1/12  :(

Who says they're not gonna honor the reservation?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 25, 2011, 06:04:05 AM
how is the le meriden i booked 3 nights for 9k and i want to no how the hotel is

thank
Nicest hotel in the Dead Sea. But by American standards... Horrible!
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Netster on October 25, 2011, 06:46:48 AM
A Rep mentioned ot me that they had a bad relationship with the Le Meridian, but didnt say they were actually dropping them yet, has this been confirmed???
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Red on October 25, 2011, 06:52:17 AM
A Rep mentioned ot me that they had a bad relationship with the Le Meridian, but didnt say they were actually dropping them yet, has this been confirmed???
It's on their website, a link was posted earlier in this thread.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: bhphotoman on October 25, 2011, 10:28:40 AM
is my wife going to hate it or love it?

s it worth my points?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 25, 2011, 11:05:04 AM
is my wife going to hate it or love it?

s it worth my points?
if Eilat is an option, stick with that. Otherwise its what there is. The dead sea is nice. If you're into hikes ill share a few
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Netster on October 25, 2011, 11:11:13 AM
how is the le meriden i booked 3 nights for 9k and i want to no how the hotel is

thanks
When is the reservation for??
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: bhphotoman on October 25, 2011, 04:29:08 PM
from the 20-23
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: bhphotoman on October 25, 2011, 04:29:38 PM
if Eilat is an option, stick with that. Otherwise its what there is. The dead sea is nice. If you're into hikes ill share a few



love hikes please share
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Netster on October 26, 2011, 05:40:10 AM


love hikes please share

Best hike in israel is Nachal Darga!!!!
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 26, 2011, 07:13:52 AM
Best hike in israel is Nachal Darga!!!!
with wife might become last hike in Israel
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Mocha on October 26, 2011, 07:37:59 AM
with wife might become last hike in Israel
There is a hike that you can go on thats right on the other side of the kvish 90 by Ein Bokek in between the Le Meidian and that shopping circle with the McDonalds. There is a stream that crosses under the road (may be dried out when you go) its like a big rocky ditch. You can follow that up and it takes you on a relatively easy hike. Did it with the wife.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on November 28, 2011, 04:37:08 PM
Anyone have experience staying at the LMDS over Shabbos?

Minyan? Elevator? Heating up food?

TIA
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: moish on November 28, 2011, 04:41:11 PM
theres a minyan
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on November 28, 2011, 04:42:35 PM
theres a minyan

thx, any other tips?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on November 28, 2011, 04:43:11 PM
Theres a minyan, theres steps and theres an outlet for a hotplate.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on November 28, 2011, 04:45:35 PM
Theres a minyan, theres steps and theres an outlet for a hotplate.

no shabbos elevator?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on November 28, 2011, 04:47:00 PM
no shabbos elevator?

I would believe they have, you can always call them and ask to confirm.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: moish on November 28, 2011, 04:48:53 PM
no shabbos elevator?
not one that i would use, dont know your level of religious observance. why not stay on a lower floor?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on November 28, 2011, 04:52:42 PM
not one that i would use, dont know your level of religious observance. why not stay on a lower floor?
I was thinking of posting the same comment but than decided that, he was not asking us about the halacha of using the shabos elevator so I stuck out! 
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on November 28, 2011, 04:54:42 PM
LOL..

Are the stairs free of halachic concerns?

Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: moish on November 28, 2011, 04:55:14 PM
I was thinking of posting the same comment but than decided that, he was not asking us about the halacha of using the shabos elevator so I stuck out! 
maybe he doesnt know there are different types of shabbos elevators
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on November 28, 2011, 04:55:48 PM
Well he does eat rabbinate mehadrin  (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=1885.msg148611#msg148611):P
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: moish on November 28, 2011, 04:56:40 PM
i noticed, but maybe hes more stringent when it comes to chillul shabbos
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on November 28, 2011, 04:57:26 PM
Well he does eat rabbinate mehadrin :P

i noticed, but maybe hes more stringent when it comes to chillul shabbos

Ouch!

Here goes, what's wrong w/ Rabbanut Mehadrin?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: moish on November 28, 2011, 05:02:45 PM
is it a quality hashgacha?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on November 28, 2011, 05:06:14 PM
is it a quality hashgacha?

Rabbanut Mehadrin is a very general thing. Really depends on:

A) the city e.g. Jerusalem, Tel Aviv or Eilat
B) the ingredients used e.g. I try and speak with the mashgiach beforehand and ascertain the 'motzrim' such as meat/chicken, vegetables and greens, fish, or dairy goods if applicable, is he temidi or in and out, etc

Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: moish on November 28, 2011, 05:07:19 PM
in regards to ryu what did you find out?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on November 28, 2011, 05:42:45 PM
Rabbanut Mehadrin is a very general thing. Really depends on:

A) the city e.g. Jerusalem, Tel Aviv or Eilat
B) the ingredients used e.g. I try and speak with the mashgiach beforehand and ascertain the 'motzrim' such as meat/chicken, vegetables and greens, fish, or dairy goods if applicable, is he temidi or in and out, etc


Since R' Afrati left, many people no longer abide by those guidlines
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Netster on November 28, 2011, 06:11:28 PM
Do they have manual locks?

Also assuming there is no eruv around there?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Red on November 29, 2011, 02:40:12 AM
There is a shul on the main floor (level 3), i requested a room on that floor so i had no problem but you can use the stairs if you want. I plugged a hotplate into the outlet for the tv, it seems the other outlets may turn off in middle of the night. When opening the porch door it turns off the ac/heat, this can be resolved with a phone call to the front desk asking to be switched to shabbos mode. You can also get a room key for shabbos.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Netster on November 29, 2011, 02:46:21 AM
Is there SPG Plat or gold lounges there?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: chuchem on November 29, 2011, 03:00:33 AM
There is one for gold... They can use the entire lobby, but there is a small charge for drinks...

Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on November 29, 2011, 03:10:19 AM
There is one for plats.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on November 29, 2011, 04:32:38 AM
in regards to ryu what did you find out?

Meat - Agudah from Uruguay
Chicken - RM
Fish - Eidah
Greens - Gush Katif

Since R' Afrati left, many people no longer abide by those guidlines

?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Netster on November 29, 2011, 06:06:44 AM
Is there any way for me to use the plat if i'm gold?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on November 29, 2011, 06:08:41 AM
Is there any way for me to use the plat if i'm gold?
There is one for plats.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Netster on November 29, 2011, 06:11:04 AM
Anyone ganna be there this shbs?

Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on November 29, 2011, 06:16:11 AM
Anyone ganna be there this shbs?



yes
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Netster on November 29, 2011, 02:29:40 PM
Nice! me too! renting a car?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on November 29, 2011, 02:38:00 PM
Nice! me too! renting a car?
Yes he is, http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=11476.30
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on November 29, 2011, 02:58:01 PM
Yes he is, http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=11476.30

JKhein..you are my official spokesman...when (not if) I run for Mayor of Jerusalem, you will be my director of communications :)


Nice! me too! renting a car?

What are you doing for food, bringing a hot plate, eating the hotel food - is it kosher this time of year?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Netster on November 29, 2011, 05:18:33 PM
Bringing our own food and prob a hot plate
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on November 29, 2011, 05:21:56 PM
Bringing our own food and prob a hot plate

nice, have you been there before? do you know forsure that the stairs are free of chilul shabbos problems?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Netster on November 29, 2011, 05:23:10 PM
I have been there before but not for shabbos
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on November 29, 2011, 05:23:49 PM
Hopefully it'll all work out...
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Netster on November 29, 2011, 05:25:01 PM
Yeah, many other people have been there for shabbos. Are you Plat?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on November 29, 2011, 05:28:04 PM
Yeah, many other people have been there for shabbos. Are you Plat?

Just Gold :( Will it even get me anything?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Netster on November 29, 2011, 05:28:45 PM
Possibly room upgrade. Have u ever been there before??
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on November 29, 2011, 05:29:11 PM
Possibly room upgrade. Have u ever been there before??

Nope
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: voldemort on November 29, 2011, 05:56:10 PM
don't hold your breath for an upgrade at this hotel,but gold members do get a box of chocolates & bottle of water in the room...if & when they feel in the mood.also if u get a rm on the 16 floor(which has the lounge) that alone has been known to get u into the lounge but ymmv,o & the steps are kosher viyosher.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on November 29, 2011, 06:02:51 PM
don't hold your breath for an upgrade at this hotel,but gold members do get a box of chocolates & bottle of water in the room...if & when they feel in the mood.also if u get a rm on the 16 floor(which has the lounge) that alone has been known to get u into the lounge but ymmv,o & the steps are kosher viyosher.

Thx! We'll see what happens...I'm not expecting anything so hopefully they won't disapoint!
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on November 29, 2011, 06:42:58 PM
Never got box of chocolates as a gold. If not the 16th floor try the 15th as thats also the new renovated floor. 
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: moish on November 29, 2011, 06:43:59 PM
sometimes chocolates, sometimes cookies
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: qwerty on November 30, 2011, 01:17:46 AM
just booked in jan. but wasnt the meridean leaving starwoods and becoming leonardo?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Red on November 30, 2011, 03:35:00 AM
o & the steps are kosher viyosher.
+1
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on November 30, 2011, 03:53:25 AM
just booked in jan. but wasnt the meridean leaving starwoods and becoming leonardo?


Yes, you might want to verify w/ the hotel directly if they will honor it...let us know as there are alot of dates open past 1/1/12!
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on November 30, 2011, 04:03:27 AM
Yes, you might want to verify w/ the hotel directly if they will honor it...let us know as there are alot of dates open past 1/1/12!
Not good advice!!
WHY CALL?? let's say its a glitch, calling will ruin it! You have a reservation, they will give it to you. If not trust me, you can pay for it over there, and will get reimbursed from Starwood afterwards. [@YudiG please do not speak to them directly about it, this weekend- I need my January reservations.]
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on November 30, 2011, 04:10:42 AM
Not good advice!!
WHY CALL?? let's say its a glitch, calling will ruin it! You have a reservation, they will give it to you. If not trust me, you can pay for it over there, and will get reimbursed from Starwood afterwards. [@YudiG please do not speak to them directly about it, this weekend- I need my January reservations.]

See this....this might mean those w/ reservations will have a problem at check in as it spells things out pretty clearly...

https://www.starwoodhotels.com/preferredguest/property/overview/announcements.html?propertyID=1882#conditions
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on December 01, 2011, 05:04:22 PM
Never got box of chocolates as a gold. If not the 16th floor try the 15th as thats also the new renovated floor. 

+2, nothing upon check in :(...the place is sold out....barely found parking
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Red on December 01, 2011, 05:06:19 PM
+2, nothing upon check in :(...the place is sold out....barely found parking
It's a tiny parking lot. It's always hard to find good parking there, doesn't mean the place is full.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on December 01, 2011, 05:08:22 PM
Not tiny at all.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on December 01, 2011, 05:10:30 PM
Not tiny at all.

+1...ended up parking on some dirt field that the hotel seemed to convert/annex :)

seems like there is a convention here...besides for all the Mir guys trying to blend in with their Aeropostle or Abercrombie sweatshirts....:P
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Red on December 02, 2011, 06:00:55 AM
Not tiny at all.
When I was there during the summer it was. I do remember some construction vehicles being there, so maybe they expanded it.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 02, 2011, 07:29:03 AM
its usually hard to find parking
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: lunatic on December 02, 2011, 08:23:02 AM
I was there last week and got upgraded to a nice suite with a balcony overlooking the water. Not bad for 3K points
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on December 02, 2011, 08:47:25 AM
I was there last week and got upgraded to a nice suite with a balcony overlooking the water. Not bad for 3K points

didn't happen this week as the place is jammed beyond belief....tnuva has a conference here and it's mobbed...the view isn't too terrible and for a category 1 the room is decent
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Netster on December 04, 2011, 01:48:31 PM
Room available for this thursday and friday night.

Let me know if your interested
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: jayhal on December 29, 2011, 11:19:29 PM
ok guys great news here it turns out i just spoke a hotel rep there and she told me that they will be staying with starwoods thru 2012 this is great news for mir guys again
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on December 30, 2011, 12:19:52 AM
ok guys great news here it turns out i just spoke a hotel rep there and she told me that they will be staying with starwoods thru 2012 this is great news for mir guys again

Great! My wife was just there, and she was upgraded to a suite w/o even asking.

For all those staying for shabbat, don't forget to request a shabbat key beforehand.
You typically need to ask, or else they won't offer it.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: moish on January 01, 2012, 08:57:32 AM
For all those staying for shabbat, don't forget to request a shabbat key beforehand.
You typically need to ask, or else they won't offer it.
i didnt find that to be the case.
anyways, its worthwhile to point out, they starting hanging a big sign near the front desk saying that check out on shabbos is at 2pm. additionally, on many rooms they left papers stating the same as well as mentioning there would be an automatic $100 charge for anyone staying in their room past 2. however, this was not the case, and after checking out about an hour after shkiya, they made no mention of this fee
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: MnM1130 on January 01, 2012, 09:35:52 AM
i think its a givin that any hotel in israel doesnt have chekout on shabbos... but who knows... they didnt give us any problems we left an hour after shabbos... but their prob trying to get stricter... who knows if theyll actually charge..
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: moish on January 01, 2012, 10:32:46 AM
i think its a givin that any hotel in israel doesnt have chekout on shabbos... but who knows... they didnt give us any problems we left an hour after shabbos... but their prob trying to get stricter... who knows if theyll actually charge..
not a given
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: flyingace on February 02, 2012, 10:17:19 AM
Anyone know of any separate areas for mineral hot springs in the dead sea area? We are staying in the Le Meridien for one night and would like to know about separate facilities for men and women. thanks
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Mocha on February 02, 2012, 10:30:14 AM
Anyone know of any separate areas for mineral hot springs in the dead sea area? We are staying in the Le Meridien for one night and would like to know about separate facilities for men and women. thanks
Hamai Zohar Public Beach, +972-8-6594433. Alternative to Ein Bokek and Ein Gedi beaches with separate bathing for men and women.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: flyingace on February 02, 2012, 10:52:44 AM
Thank you. Do you know their hours in the winter?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Mocha on February 02, 2012, 11:10:25 AM
Thank you. Do you know their hours in the winter?
Nope sorry, but you can PUTPAC  :)
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: moish on February 02, 2012, 02:08:06 PM
it will probably be pretty cold this time of year
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Mocha on February 02, 2012, 02:13:22 PM
it will probably be pretty cold this time of year
Forecast for Dead Sea
Fri      73°
Sat    76°
Sun    80°
Mon   82°
Tue     82°
Wed  75°
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: moish on February 02, 2012, 02:29:07 PM
i was actually referring to the water

but anyways which site did you use to find the temps?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on February 04, 2012, 07:23:49 PM
i was actually referring to the water

but anyways which site did you use to find the temps?

GIYF
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Jay the PRESIDENT on February 08, 2012, 08:56:54 PM
is there minyan in ein bokek or nearby during the week?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on February 10, 2012, 08:06:08 AM
is there minyan in ein bokek or nearby during the week?

check the local chabad website...there might have been something there
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on February 10, 2012, 08:14:29 AM
is there minyan in ein bokek or nearby during the week?

Many hotels have a minyan. Call some up
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Jay the PRESIDENT on February 10, 2012, 09:41:28 AM
the hotels ive stayed at there only had minyan on shabbos   chabad says hotel may have...
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: SHMIDT on February 29, 2012, 04:54:10 AM
Hey I have been reading this thread for while and want to clarify a few things about the LM Dead Sea ...

IS there a steady minyan every shabbos or not?
 
Also, Is the hechsher mehadrim or not? and if it is what are the meal prices over shabbos?

thanks..
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on February 29, 2012, 06:18:36 AM
Hey I have been reading this thread for while and want to clarify a few things about the LM Dead Sea ...

IS there a steady minyan every shabbos or not?
 
Also, Is the hechsher mehadrim or not? and if it is what are the meal prices over shabbos?

thanks..

Each time I've been there, they had a minyan with at least 30-40 ppl. They also had shachrit on Sundays when I was there for weekends.

With regards to food, the mashgiach one time detailed the kashrut on e/t. If he doesn't, you can ask him for details. Most of the food was some form of mehadrin, and some of the meats weren't, but it's subject to change.

I think I paid (SPG Gold member) 100 for lunch or dinner (can't remember) and 60 for breakfast. My 4 year old cost around half price, and my 2 year old was free.

Don't forget to get a shabbos key before shabbos starts.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: moish on February 29, 2012, 06:26:02 AM
Hey I have been reading this thread for while and want to clarify a few things about the LM Dead Sea ...

IS there a steady minyan every shabbos or not?
 
Also, Is the hechsher mehadrim or not? and if it is what are the meal prices over shabbos?

thanks..
yes, no
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: SHMIDT on February 29, 2012, 12:13:07 PM
Each time I've been there, they had a minyan with at least 30-40 ppl. They also had shachrit on Sundays when I was there for weekends.

With regards to food, the mashgiach one time detailed the kashrut on e/t. If he doesn't, you can ask him for details. Most of the food was some form of mehadrin, and some of the meats weren't, but it's subject to change.

I think I paid (SPG Gold member) 100 for lunch or dinner (can't remember) and 60 for breakfast. My 4 year old cost around half price, and my 2 year old was free.

Don't forget to get a shabbos key before shabbos starts.

Thanks for the info! Really helpful.

I am an SPG gold as well, did you get upgraded there?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on February 29, 2012, 01:44:45 PM
Thanks for the info! Really helpful.

I am an SPG gold as well, did you get upgraded there?

My wife received a 2 room suite. I didn't the other times I was there.

I did receive a small bottle of wine and chocolates. Make sure to remind them about it, even many times:)
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: SHMIDT on March 01, 2012, 03:11:20 AM
My wife received a 2 room suite. I didn't the other times I was there.

I did receive a small bottle of wine and chocolates. Make sure to remind them about it, even many times:)

Ok awesome, thanks for the info!
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on March 01, 2012, 03:21:11 AM
Ok awesome, thanks for the info!

When are you going down there? We'll be there before Pesach
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: SHMIDT on March 02, 2012, 04:08:06 AM
When are you going down there? We'll be there before Pesach

I'm thinking weekend after Purim, weather might finally warm up...
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: SHMIDT on March 02, 2012, 04:30:58 AM
I'm thinking weekend after Purim, weather might finally warm up...

Well it seems someone reserved all the weekends for the rest of March and some of April >:(
SO, unless someone cancels a reservation for the 16-18 of March I guess I am not going....
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Netster on March 02, 2012, 05:42:40 AM
anyone making it down this shabbos?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: U-no-me! on March 04, 2012, 03:17:55 PM

Also, Is the hechsher mehadrim or not? and if it is what are the meal prices over shabbos?

thanks..

Or you can bring food along and use a hot plate.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: moish on March 04, 2012, 03:33:29 PM
Or you can bring food along and use a hot plate.
that would be the preferred method
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on March 04, 2012, 04:17:45 PM
that would be the preferred method

+1
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on March 04, 2012, 04:18:08 PM
Or you can bring food along and use a hot plate.
and if so, splurge the extra 2k points to book an extra room just as a kitchen and dining room....
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: moish on March 04, 2012, 04:40:16 PM
and if so, splurge the extra 2k points to book an extra room just as a kitchen and dining room....
only if you can confirm a connecting. but the truth is you dont need that much space for a hot plate
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Red on March 04, 2012, 04:44:38 PM
only if you can confirm a connecting. but the truth is you dont need that much space for a hot plate

+1
I moved the tv as far back as it would go, and that plus the little shelf thing gave me more than enough room.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on March 04, 2012, 04:45:09 PM
only if you can confirm a connecting. but the truth is you dont need that much space for a hot plate
1. A connecting room would be great, but a floor up floor down is not that difficult, except if were talking about a disabled or elderly people.
2. I personally love the smell of chulent, but through the night in my bedroom. Emm rather not.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: moish on March 04, 2012, 06:57:44 PM
2. I personally love the smell of chulent, but through the night in my bedroom. Emm rather not.
check your yichus  :)
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: SHMIDT on March 05, 2012, 02:46:11 AM
check your yichus  :)

LOL +1

I think the hot plate is the best option. Its better than paying full price for the meal and then not get to eat half of it because it is not all Mehadrin..
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: moish on March 05, 2012, 03:01:31 AM
...or none of it
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: bem684 on March 05, 2012, 09:08:49 PM
I have never been to Israel except on birthright several years ago.  I am wondering if in general (and at this hotel in particular), does the $20 bill sandwich trick (eighty shek? lol) help to get a better room?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Deal Guy on March 06, 2012, 12:37:49 AM
The hotel is ok with hot plates and cooking food? What about your room neighbors?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on March 06, 2012, 02:18:51 AM
I have never been to Israel except on birthright several years ago.  I am wondering if in general (and at this hotel in particular), does the $20 bill sandwich trick (eighty shek? lol) help to get a better room?
The guys at the desk are always the same over there (man with the glasses and two women...) dont look like it would work with them.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: meshugener on March 06, 2012, 09:26:49 PM
Wanna book LMDS around August, but can't book now since I don't have made up exact date. How much SPG points should I put in reserve? (1 night)
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: moish on March 07, 2012, 03:10:56 AM
Wanna book LMDS around August, but can't book now since I don't have made up exact date. How much SPG points should I put in reserve? (1 night)
now thats just being lazy
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on March 07, 2012, 03:35:28 AM
Wanna book LMDS around August, but can't book now since I don't have made up exact date. How much SPG points should I put in reserve? (1 night)
Its 3k points a regular night. 2k points weekend- Friday and Saturday night.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on March 07, 2012, 03:59:30 AM
now thats just being lazy
+100
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: meshugener on March 07, 2012, 08:31:35 AM
I'm not going to book till summer, and the the amount of points they ask depends on availability, was just asking a estimate for that time.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: chuchem on March 07, 2012, 08:59:25 AM
I'm not going to book till summer, and the the amount of points they ask depends on availability, was just asking a estimate for that time.

SPG always asks the same amount of points, no high and low season.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: meshugener on March 07, 2012, 09:37:34 AM
Could be, I never used SPG so far, but this is what they told me on the phone.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Dan on March 07, 2012, 11:53:03 AM
Could be, I never used SPG so far, but this is what they told me on the phone.
NAWPRTY.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: U-no-me! on March 10, 2012, 05:20:57 PM
what do people do about lighting candles?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on March 10, 2012, 06:47:01 PM
what do people do about lighting candles?

either take tea lights and put them on a sheet of metal foil....you can put them on the balcony if it's not windy and you're nervous though they will burn out by the time you've finished eating....

or light downstairs next to the shul where they usually set out tea lights for guests
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: moish on March 10, 2012, 07:19:56 PM
either take tea lights and put them on a sheet of metal foil....you can put them on the balcony if it's not windy and you're nervous though they will burn out by the time you've finished eating....

or light downstairs next to the shul where they usually set out tea lights for guests
balcony is probably not a good idea unless youre spending time there to derive pleasure from it
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Red on March 11, 2012, 06:48:08 AM
or light downstairs next to the shul where they usually set out tea lights for guests

Very shver to make a bracha on that.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 11, 2012, 11:07:35 AM
I need 45 rooms in Ein Bokek for this upcoming friday night (3/17). I can have them scattered, but I need group arrangements for a meal in a specific place. 

Obviously, preference is for SPG.

Many thanks in advance.  

Also, is there an eiruv there? Otherwise I will need to put all the babies at the same hotel as the meals.

Any help is appreciated. jhhhhh
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on March 11, 2012, 12:39:55 PM
I need 45 rooms in Ein Bokek for this upcoming friday night (3/17). I can have them scattered, but I need group arrangements for a meal in a specific place.

Obviously, preference is for SPG.

Many thanks in advance. 

Also, is there an eiruv there? Otherwise I will need to put all the babies at the same hotel as the meals.

Any help is appreciated. jhhhhh
Wow, a kids bar mitzvah sneak up on u?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 11, 2012, 02:14:58 PM
Wow, a kids bar mitzvah sneak up on u?
Long story. Booked already
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Rivky on March 11, 2012, 02:28:48 PM
Long story. Booked already

im going to be there this shab. what party am i crashing?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 11, 2012, 02:34:52 PM
im going to be there this shab. what party am i crashing?
I wont b there. They ended up booking in a frum place in arad
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on March 11, 2012, 04:01:05 PM
Previously booked in the war zone?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 11, 2012, 04:03:20 PM
Previously booked in the war zone?
NIce idea. Nothing special just I am related to someone who decided to sponsor a family wide trip for a prominent R"Y. With Pesach coming up etc. this was the only week that worked out for all the grandkids etc.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: U-no-me! on March 11, 2012, 06:13:15 PM
Very shver to make a bracha on that.

I was thinking, it might possibly work if 1. one is the first to light and 2. he would have hana'ah from them by eating next to them. I would assume even if this works, one should still turn a light on in his room "lkovod shabbos". the only problem is though, how can one get food to the candles so that he may eat it there?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Red on March 11, 2012, 06:29:40 PM
I was thinking, it might possibly work if 1. one is the first to light and 2. he would have hana'ah from them by eating next to them. I would assume even if this works, one should still turn a light on in his room "lkovod shabbos". the only problem is though, how can one get food to the candles so that he may eat it there?

Even if one is the first to light there I don't think it would make a difference because he still wouldn't have hana'ah from them. Eating by them would probably turn out to be very awkward  :D.
As far as turning on a light in the room, that would be the best option and as per a psak from my Rav you can make a bracha on a room light with no problem. He even recommends at home turning on a light right before lighting the neiros as that's where the real hana'ah is.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: U-no-me! on March 11, 2012, 06:35:00 PM
Even if one is the first to light there I don't think it would make a difference because he still wouldn't have hana'ah from them. Eating by them would probably turn out to be very awkward  :D.
As far as turning on a light in the room, that would be the best option and as per a psak from my Rav you can make a bracha on a room light with no problem. He even recommends at home turning on a light right before lighting the neiros as that's where the real hana'ah is.
You don't need to eat a full meal there, maybe just some papitas or whatever while standing nearby. The question is though how to get the papitas there.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on March 12, 2012, 07:02:50 AM
NIce idea. Nothing special just I am related to someone who decided to sponsor a family wide trip for a prominent R"Y. With Pesach coming up etc. this was the only week that worked out for all the grandkids etc.

just made it more intriguing.....prominent RY to spend shabbos in Arad with large entourage this week....lol
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: damaxer91 on March 12, 2012, 07:19:30 AM
just made it more intriguing.....prominent RY to spend shabbos in Arad with large entourage this week....lol

Everyone knows that Arad is the "Cancun" of Charedi Israel
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on March 12, 2012, 09:23:50 AM
Everyone knows that Arad is the "Cancun" of Charedi Israel

:)

is there much to do there?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 12, 2012, 09:24:59 AM
:)

is there much to do there?
No.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on March 29, 2012, 01:03:36 PM
Anyone going to be at the Le Meridian this shabbos?
A little pre-pesach break is needed by all.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: runnergirl on March 30, 2012, 02:13:35 PM
Has anyone been to the Le Meridian Dead Sea lately. Booked it for July for 3nt with the hubby and kids. Can't go wrong for 3K points per night but I the reviews sound aweful. Are the rooms decent enough?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Crazy tools on March 30, 2012, 04:02:31 PM
I was there about 2 months ago & they had a couple of floors of renovated rooms. They were on the higher floors, its possable that they continued their way down. The renovated rooms were pretty nice. (just talking about the room not the ambiance or service in the hotel)
make urself "heimish" there &  check out the womans side of the roof (after dark ONLY) they have ices in the freezer. Also if u want milk & coffee they have on the mens side.. If u need extra mattress on floor 14 they have in the service rooms, only use service elevators, there's much less traffic.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on March 31, 2012, 02:23:41 PM
I was there about 2 months ago & they had a couple of floors of renovated rooms. They were on the higher floors, its possable that they continued their way down. The renovated rooms were pretty nice. (just talking about the room not the ambiance or service in the hotel)
make urself "heimish" there &  check out the womans side of the roof (after dark ONLY) they have ices in the freezer. Also if u want milk & coffee they have on the mens side.. If u need extra mattress on floor 14 they have in the service rooms, only use service elevators, there's much less traffic.
On the roof? What do you mean?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Crazy tools on March 31, 2012, 09:22:43 PM
go to the stair well on floor 16, continue up. they call it a solarium.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Knaper_Chuchem on April 10, 2012, 03:08:05 AM
Kindly forgive my ignorance...

It's the first time I'm booking with points, I've read through this whole thread but still have a few unanswered questions.   

I'm SPG gold, and I'd like to book at LMDS for 4 weeks in July for 3 adults. Is it possible to book a bigger room (with additional beds) for additional points? Or a suite? Also, as I'm trying to book it online, it wouldn't let me book more than 10 consecutive days, is there a way to circumvent that?

Any additional tips to share? I'd greatly appreciate!!
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on April 10, 2012, 10:19:32 AM
Kindly forgive my ignorance...

It's the first time I'm booking with points, I've read through this whole thread but still have a few unanswered questions.   

I'm SPG gold, and I'd like to book at LMDS for 4 weeks in July for 3 adults. Is it possible to book a bigger room (with additional beds) for additional points? Or a suite? Also, as I'm trying to book it online, it wouldn't let me book more than 10 consecutive days, is there a way to circumvent that?

Any additional tips to share? I'd greatly appreciate!!

4 weeks?!
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: joeb1 on April 10, 2012, 10:26:55 AM
you aint getting 4 weeks for 3k a nt.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Knaper_Chuchem on April 10, 2012, 10:42:23 AM
4 weeks?!

Yes, as someone has mentioned on this thread there's a Solarium on the roof, and those who come for the Solarium usually come for 4 weeks.
 
you aint getting 4 weeks for 3k a nt.

Says who? I have a friend that does it every year.

Now, back to my questions...?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Crazy tools on April 10, 2012, 01:32:16 PM

Yes, as someone has mentioned on this thread there's a Solarium on the roof, and those who come for the Solarium usually come for 4 weeks.
 
i dont see how anyone can manage up on the solarium for 4 weeks!!! I had a hard time just going up there for the milk. No & its not because i'm sensative to sun :)
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on April 10, 2012, 03:10:11 PM
i dont see how anyone can manage up on the solarium for 4 weeks!!! I had a hard time just going up there for the milk. No & its not because i'm sensative to sun :)

one would have to be really bored to spend 4 weeks there unless there is a medical need to be in the area...i think ezer metzion has a apartment in the area...people do come for lengthy stays for eczema..
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on April 10, 2012, 04:35:13 PM
Kindly forgive my ignorance...

It's the first time I'm booking with points, I've read through this whole thread but still have a few unanswered questions.   

I'm SPG gold, and I'd like to book at LMDS for 4 weeks in July for 3 adults. Is it possible to book a bigger room (with additional beds) for additional points? Or a suite? Also, as I'm trying to book it online, it wouldn't let me book more than 10 consecutive days, is there a way to circumvent that?

Any additional tips to share? I'd greatly appreciate!!

W/ regards to the 4 weeks issue, why not just make a few reservations of a week each?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Knaper_Chuchem on April 10, 2012, 05:42:38 PM
i dont see how anyone can manage up on the solarium for 4 weeks!!! I had a hard time just going up there for the milk. No & its not because i'm sensative to sun :)
one would have to be really bored to spend 4 weeks there unless there is a medical need to be in the area...i think ezer metzion has a apartment in the area...people do come for lengthy stays for eczema..

How dare you mock an entire community that consists of well over 10k human beings that spend roughly 4 weeks yearly at Solariums throughout Ein Bokek!?! And we're not talking here of "bored" people.. Or people that steal "milk, coffee or ices" at night... Believe me, if I was bored, I would spend 4 weeks some other places..

FYI: For someone with Eczema, Ein Bokek is a big no no!!

Still waiting for answers to my questions...

Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on April 11, 2012, 01:11:41 PM
How dare you mock an entire community that consists of well over 10k human beings that spend roughly 4 weeks yearly at Solariums throughout Ein Bokek!?! And we're not talking here of "bored" people.. Or people that steal "milk, coffee or ices" at night... Believe me, if I was bored, I would spend 4 weeks some other places..

FYI: For someone with Eczema, Ein Bokek is a big no no!!

Still waiting for answers to my questions...



Sorry if offense was taken...you're right about eczema I was referring to another condition nobody should g-d forbid ever suffer from...but...if there is no medical reason...seriously speaking - what does one do for 4 weeks at a solarium?

I would call SPG and try and find rooms over the phone...try searching online to see if the standard rate is available if it is perhaps you can pull it off.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Knaper_Chuchem on April 11, 2012, 11:05:08 PM
W/ regards to the 4 weeks issue, why not just make a few reservations of a week each?
Was thinking of that, especially since SPG changed that you earn nights even on reward stays, I was figuring how I can optimize my stay to become SPG Plat. However, I'm not sure how it works with them, will they make me pack my bags every week? And their check-out time is 11am, where check-in time is 3pm, will I have to wait with my bags for 4 hours in the lobby!?! I know they have that text msg system, but it never worked for me, I've yet to receive a text from them that my room is ready...

Anybody with past experience?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on April 11, 2012, 11:26:52 PM
Was thinking of that, especially since SPG changed that you earn nights even on reward stays, I was figuring how I can optimize my stay to become SPG Plat. However, I'm not sure how it works with them, will they make me pack my bags every week? And their check-out time is 11am, where check-in time is 3pm, will I have to wait with my bags for 4 hours in the lobby!?! I know they have that text msg system, but it never worked for me, I've yet to receive a text from them that my room is ready...

Anybody with past experience?
Not locally, but in other SPG I had no issues, just stayed in the room. They can always be jerks, but then your problem is that they won't let u check in altogether, claiming the second reservation is invaild as it is over 1 week.

I wouldn't worry. Go for it.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on April 12, 2012, 10:58:10 AM
Not locally, but in other SPG I had no issues, just stayed in the room. They can always be jerks, but then your problem is that they won't let u check in altogether, claiming the second reservation is invaild as it is over 1 week.

I wouldn't worry. Go for it.
+1
Wouldn't hurt to butter-up to s/o who works behind the counter as well. I'll often schmmoze up a Russian guy who works there, I forgot his name.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Knaper_Chuchem on April 17, 2012, 11:48:10 PM
you aint getting 4 weeks for 3k a nt.
In fact, I called SPG and they were eager to book me for the 4 weeks with the standard awards rate 3k/2k per night, however there were 2 issues 1. Two Fridays weren't available with rewards. 2. I was short with 12k points, so she offered that I can book those 2 Fridays with money $288 per night and I can have my friend pay with his points for the remaining nights that I was short. And she'll combine everything in one reservation so only one check in will do.

On a side note, now I realize why Dan is such a fan of SPG, I'm actually getting $0.096 per point!! (Not exactly, cuz on the reward days I won't get breakfast, versus the paid days I'm entitled to breakfast)
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on April 18, 2012, 12:04:47 AM
(Not exactly, cuz on the reward days I won't get breakfast, versus the paid days I'm entitled to breakfast)
On a plat account award get breakfast as well
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on April 18, 2012, 01:33:02 AM
On a plat account award get breakfast as well

And the benefit of having it process as multiple reservations is that he would receive 250 points for each reservation if he's Gold. I think.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Knaper_Chuchem on April 18, 2012, 09:07:23 AM
And the benefit of having it process as multiple reservations is that he would receive 250 points for each reservation if he's Gold. I think.
I didn't have the time to search, but if my memory serves me right, as a gold I get the option to choose of the two, either I can earn points for each night or I get free wifi. I don't think that you ever benefit from separate reservations if they're consecutive nights. It won't count as multiple stays for status purposes even if it's paid nights. Correct me if I'm wrong please.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Knaper_Chuchem on April 18, 2012, 09:15:43 AM
On a Plat account award get breakfast as well
Don't rub it in please... I know that very well, hence I'm dying to become one. But how???

Was it ever confirmed that award nights won't count for a challenge?

I remember Dan had a long article on DD when SPG announced their new rules for 2012, I think it included info about this matter. If someone can post the link that would be great. 
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Dan on April 18, 2012, 09:17:01 AM
Was it ever confirmed that award nights won't count for a challenge?
Yup.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Knaper_Chuchem on April 18, 2012, 09:32:40 AM
Yup.
Sad :'(

What about C&P stays? Would they count?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Dan on April 18, 2012, 09:35:29 AM
Not for the challenge.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on April 19, 2012, 02:12:16 AM
I didn't have the time to search, but if my memory serves me right, as a gold I get the option to choose of the two, either I can earn points for each night or I get free wifi. I don't think that you ever benefit from separate reservations if they're consecutive nights. It won't count as multiple stays for status purposes even if it's paid nights. Correct me if I'm wrong please.

I believe its 250 per reservation, and only for your room. If you booked multiple rooms, you don't receive points for each room.
They told me otherwise at the Dead Sea, so SPG ended up giving me another 250 points for the second room I had ordered. But it was still 250 points for each room, but not for each night.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Knaper_Chuchem on April 19, 2012, 09:17:36 AM
Since you were so adamant you tempted me to look it up, happens to be you're right!

However, I don't think it pays to break up reservations for a mere 250 points while having the slightest chance that you'll have to check out and check in again. Besides I'll opt for the 'complimentary in-room Internet access' welcome bonus.

Following is what SPG outlines for SPG Gold:

Quote from: SPG
New! Your choice of a welcome gift with each stay. Choose from bonus Starpoints, complimentary in-room Internet access and a complimentary beverage.

Room & Suite Upgrades. Upgrade to a Specialty Room, where available, for as few as 1,000 Starpoints or a Suite for as few as 3,000 Starpoints.


I was wondering if these upgrades are offered for award nights customers, or it's just for paid nights? And if it is offered for award customers, did anybody have any success to do so at the LMDS?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Knaper_Chuchem on April 19, 2012, 09:33:23 AM
Quote from: SPG

Take it to the next level. Go Gold
.

As a Gold member, you'll receive all the benefits of Preferred, plus much more:

4 p.m. late checkout, so you can sleep in, relax by the pool or see more of the local area you're visiting.
Did anyone here with only Gold status stay at the LMDS and was allowed to stay till 4pm?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on April 19, 2012, 09:50:44 AM
Did anyone here with only Gold status stay at the LMDS and was allowed to stay till 4pm?
This benefit is not offered at resort properties.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Knaper_Chuchem on April 19, 2012, 10:07:03 AM
This benefit is not offered at resort properties.

Well, Starwood says otherwise. Following is the footnote on the previous post:
Quote from: SPG Footnote
1. Subject to availability at resort and conference center hotels.


Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on April 20, 2012, 02:20:24 AM
Did anyone here with only Gold status stay at the LMDS and was allowed to stay till 4pm?
If they have availability, they will allow i believe
Last time
 I checked out at around 2
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: shmooz on August 12, 2012, 05:55:05 PM
anyone know about the separate beachs? I was told it may cost 70nis per person? is there any free option for separate, or an area that is private?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: shmooz on August 13, 2012, 01:00:01 AM
anyone know about the separate beachs? I was told it may cost 70nis per person? is there any free option for separate, or an area that is private?

anyone know about this?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on August 13, 2012, 01:38:24 AM
If they have availability, they will allow i believe
Last time
 I checked out at around 2
Not IME. They are hard to deal with.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on August 13, 2012, 10:40:47 AM
anyone know about the separate beachs? I was told it may cost 70nis per person? is there any free option for separate, or an area that is private?

According to this summary, one beach is 50 sh, and the second is free. Call to ensure.
http://www.avifine.com/sepbeach.htm
Title: Re: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Galitzyaner on August 17, 2012, 09:55:37 AM
anyone know about the separate beachs? I was told it may cost 70nis per person? is there any free option for separate, or an area that is private?

I've been to the separate beach, never heard of it costing any money at all..

Though I recommend not to waste your time on the separate beach, its tiny and with nowhere to dress etc..

Your better off just going to a secluded area.

Here is a photo of the separate beach which i took a yr and a hf ago.
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d036259b-4d4d-cabf.jpg)
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on August 17, 2012, 10:28:53 AM
Depressing
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: shmu on August 17, 2012, 02:49:44 PM
We (me, wife, 2yo and 1yo) will be going to Israel on the $350 Elal steal...
Dates Feb 25 - to Mar 5

What's the best for car rental and hotels? I have 64k SPG points, 120k thank you points.


 
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Yosel on August 17, 2012, 03:47:13 PM

I've been to the separate beach, never heard of it costing any money at all..

Though I recommend not to waste your time on the separate beach, its tiny and with nowhere to dress etc..

Your better off just going to a secluded area.

Here is a photo of the separate beach which i took a yr and a hf ago.
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d036259b-4d4d-cabf.jpg)
They completly redid the separate beach at yam hamelach, they have indoor showers and toilets, and a dressing room, and a nice wheelchair ramp straight into the yam.. as well as a walkway, and new beach sand....................... outside showers as well
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on August 18, 2012, 04:39:19 PM
We (me, wife, 2yo and 1yo) will be going to Israel on the $350 Elal steal...
Dates Feb 25 - to Mar 5

What's the best for car rental and hotels? I have 64k SPG points, 120k thank you points.


 
SPG at Dead Sea is a good deal
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: rots5 on August 18, 2012, 05:06:27 PM
SPG at Dead Sea is a good deal

its a gr8 hotel and very worth it but look at this (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=19197.0)
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Knaper_Chuchem on August 18, 2012, 10:07:52 PM
I have a last minute trip to the Dead Sea with no reservations at the Le Meridian, they don't show anything available for this week, I wanna stay there from Monday to Thursday, anyone with a reservation that doesn't need it? Will repay with SPG points.
Title: Re: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Galitzyaner on August 19, 2012, 01:09:59 AM
They completly redid the separate beach at yam hamelach, they have indoor showers and toilets, and a dressing room, and a nice wheelchair ramp straight into the yam.. as well as a walkway, and new beach sand....................... outside showers as well
Nice!  Sounds promising.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Sammy12345 on September 22, 2012, 04:54:40 PM
Has anyone have any recent success in the Dead Sea Le Mardian using starwood points?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Netster on September 22, 2012, 04:56:16 PM
Yes
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Sammy12345 on September 22, 2012, 06:54:42 PM
How were you able to do it did you need to put like 9 days and then call up to cancel?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on September 23, 2012, 01:00:11 AM
How were you able to do it did you need to put like 9 days and then call up to cancel?

no..sometimes there is availability, somtimes not...really just hit and miss..try calling spg and tell them the problem...alternatively - take my word - call the hotel manager and ask him to open a room.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Yeki89 on September 23, 2012, 01:24:30 AM
always try to book early.... But they many times open up availibilty
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on September 23, 2012, 01:26:47 AM
always try to book early.... But they many times open up availibilty
Availability is not controlled. If there is a standard room available for sale, it is available for redemption. Standard rooms will be available for sale as long as they aren't sold out.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Yeki89 on September 23, 2012, 01:31:22 AM
true
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on September 23, 2012, 01:05:38 PM
Availability is not controlled. If there is a standard room available for sale, it is available for redemption. Standard rooms will be available for sale as long as they aren't sold out.
The LM Dead Sea never has the standard room they offer for points available for lowest rate. They only offer it at RACK. That's how they are able to circumvent that clause
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: enJay on September 23, 2012, 01:27:23 PM
Has anyone have any recent success in the Dead Sea Le Mardian using starwood points?

Yes called SPG booked one night last week of December
No luck with LM Eilat tho  :-\
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on September 24, 2012, 09:42:00 AM
No luck with LM Eilat tho  :-\
Is it worth it down there? Never been there before, but 10k is a lot.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: enJay on September 24, 2012, 03:42:54 PM
I don't know...
I want to use points, I can stay at the crown plaza for 50.000 PC points (2 nights)  but from the reviews it sounds like its a dump
I don't have 80,000 Hhonors points for Queen of Sheba (2 nights)

If they don't have availability I will prob just go elsewhere that weekend.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Netster on September 24, 2012, 03:52:32 PM
Whats the value of 25k PC points?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: enJay on September 24, 2012, 04:22:27 PM
To buy outright: 25,000 pc = $312
However they are running a 40% bonus promo (https://buy.points.com/PointsPartnerFrames/partners/ihg/container.html?product=buy&language=en&CAMPAIGNCODE=IHGB40esSepOct12&cm_mmc=EMAIL-_-AH_ANC-_-PTR_PointsPurchaseEN_20120914-_-USEN-_-primary_cta) which would cost $225 for 18,000 points + 7,200 bonus

That is if you buy them outright, in the past I have been a couple thousand points short on a booking and they topped me off (38,xxx+ for a 40,000 room, however I just tried that with 32,xxx+ for the same 40,000 room and they wouldn't let me)

(On a side note, this price values platinum status @ $494.50)
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Netster on September 24, 2012, 04:24:05 PM
And are there pointbreaks for the one in Eilat at this time?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: enJay on September 24, 2012, 04:28:49 PM
Nothing, i called SPG and they contacted the LM Eilat, I received an email from them and replied, awaiting response
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on September 24, 2012, 05:28:26 PM
And are there pointbreaks for the one in Eilat at this time?
Did you check the list?
As of now no, but the new list should be out within the next few days.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Dan on September 24, 2012, 06:06:31 PM
Whats the value of 25k PC points?
You can buy them for $175.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: enJay on September 24, 2012, 07:02:23 PM
Where?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Dan on September 24, 2012, 07:10:04 PM
Ditch the sig please.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Sammy12345 on September 26, 2012, 03:40:41 PM
Does anyone know where you can buy the points for 175?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on September 26, 2012, 05:14:10 PM
Does anyone know where you can buy the points for 175?
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/23113
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Sammy12345 on September 27, 2012, 03:17:58 AM
but the thing is that there is no pointbrakers for the dead sea so you would need to buy the points flat out........ or i am missing something?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on September 27, 2012, 04:03:37 AM
but the thing is that there is no pointbrakers for the dead sea so you would need to buy the points flat out........ or i am missing something?
Correct.
I was just showing you how to buy the points for .7

Although, you can probably pay s/o for an SPG night for less than the Crowne Plaza hotel.
PM me if interested.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Sammy12345 on October 02, 2012, 11:46:52 AM
Does anyone know of a kosher place to eat in the Dead Sea if there is a hasgucha better then rabanut?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 02, 2012, 01:00:30 PM
Does anyone know of a kosher place to eat in the Dead Sea if there is a hasgucha better then rabanut?
Cafe Cafe is mehadrin
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Netster on October 02, 2012, 01:11:25 PM
Anyone want a room at the Le Meridian for this thursday? PM me
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Smartypantz on October 23, 2012, 09:26:17 PM
In the Le Meridian, SPG only has rooms with king beds available. Anyone know of a way to work around that? I am looking to book for a friend a room with double beds only.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 23, 2012, 11:07:27 PM
In the Le Meridian, SPG only has rooms with king beds available. Anyone know of a way to work around that? I am looking to book for a friend a room with double beds only.
Ask at check in for a twin, shouldn't be an issue.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: dealvr on October 23, 2012, 11:20:06 PM
Any tips on getting an upgrade?
I'm SPG gold.
Anybody have a contact there?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Sammy12345 on November 01, 2012, 04:43:37 PM
Waste of time..... It all depends on luck they don't really follow rules....
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on November 01, 2012, 05:51:02 PM
Any tips on getting an upgrade?
I'm SPG gold.
Anybody have a contact there?

get there early and ask for the special floor..i think its the 16th or 17th
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: U-no-me! on November 01, 2012, 06:42:38 PM
get there early and ask for the special floor..i think its the 16th or 17th

What's so special about those floors?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on November 01, 2012, 06:55:30 PM
What's so special about those floors?
They are inhabitable (as well as 15)
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: edgeman on November 01, 2012, 09:30:30 PM
has anyone stayed in the eilat le meridien?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on November 01, 2012, 09:41:24 PM
has anyone stayed in the eilat le meridien?
Yes
Title: Re: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Galitzyaner on November 01, 2012, 10:19:09 PM
has anyone stayed in the eilat le meridien?
Madame, it's one of the most discussed topics in the "trip reports" (master) thread ::)
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 02, 2012, 01:43:39 AM
Any tips on getting an upgrade?


The same rule for all hotels - check in as late at night as possible
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Deal Guy on November 02, 2012, 02:10:54 AM
The same rule for all hotels - check in as late at night as possible
get there early and ask for the special floor..i think its the 16th or 17th
Who is right here? Whats the best option, to check in early or late?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on November 02, 2012, 03:23:21 AM
The same rule for all hotels - check in as late at night as possible

if they are full...wouldnt getting there early be better? IME it seems that getting there early when going to busy hotels is better...but id be interested to hear your experiences
Title: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: MEIR613 on November 04, 2012, 08:10:01 AM
What's the deal with minyanim during the week. Is there any place by DS that has every day?

Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: YudiG on November 04, 2012, 08:33:00 AM
there is a shul at the lmds...you can try the local chabad
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Dan on November 29, 2012, 01:24:49 PM
Are things really this bad at the LMDS these days?
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/26408/comment-page-1#comment-177297

You can comment there...
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: deals on November 29, 2012, 01:27:27 PM
there is a shul at the lmds

and a full full minyan daily
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on December 02, 2012, 03:50:06 AM
A mall will be build by the Dead Sea.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4313629,00.html
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: L'Chaim on December 02, 2012, 04:43:15 AM
Are things really this bad at the LMDS these days?
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/26408/comment-page-1#comment-177297

You can comment there...

This guy (http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g488154-d310223-r144441850-Le_Meridien_Dead_Sea_Hotel-Ein_Bokek_Dead_Sea_Region.html) (klior) didn't seem too happy.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on December 02, 2012, 06:10:11 AM
This guy (http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g488154-d310223-r144441850-Le_Meridien_Dead_Sea_Hotel-Ein_Bokek_Dead_Sea_Region.html) (klior) didn't seem too happy.
Listen, it's not an ideal place to stay at quality wise, but for the cost using miles, it can't be beat.

A lot also depends on your expectations going in, and the type of quality you expect. If you're accustomed to 'only the best', then you'll find what to hate at the LM. If you're not too picky about its failings, then it's great.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 02, 2012, 07:56:14 AM
Are things really this bad at the LMDS these days?
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/26408/comment-page-1#comment-177297

You can comment there...
Butter can't be non cholov yisroel...
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 02, 2012, 08:01:02 AM
Butter can't be non cholov yisroel...
i believe your info might be outdated
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 02, 2012, 08:02:13 AM
It might need certification to being actually butter but according to the shulchan aruch butter does not have to be cholov yisroel.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 02, 2012, 08:04:04 AM
it used to be that it was impossible to make butter out of non cow milk, but nowadays its possible
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on December 02, 2012, 09:48:08 AM
it used to be that it was impossible to make butter out of non cow milk, but nowadays its possible
Halacha doesn't change!
Ain chadash tachas hashemesh.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 02, 2012, 09:57:07 AM
halacha doesnt change but circumstances do
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on December 02, 2012, 10:00:05 AM
halacha doesnt change but circumstances do
Reformer!


;)
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 02, 2012, 10:01:52 AM
Reformer!


;)
Huh?!  :o
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: MEIR613 on December 02, 2012, 10:16:23 AM
and a full full minyan daily

Is this confirmed? Where?

Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: rots5 on December 02, 2012, 01:32:07 PM
Is this confirmed? Where?
I don't think that's accurate
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: joeb1 on December 11, 2012, 02:01:08 PM
Does anyone know how much the lemeridian ds charges Spg members for breakfast on a reward night
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on December 11, 2012, 03:25:26 PM
Does anyone know how much the lemeridian ds charges Spg members for breakfast on a reward night
60 NIS, Free for plat/Gold if selected at checkin
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on December 23, 2012, 06:32:34 AM
60 NIS, Free for plat/Gold if selected at checkin
They're telling my wife that breakfast isn't an option for Gold.
Advice? Anyone to call?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on December 23, 2012, 07:05:53 AM
They're telling my wife that breakfast isn't an option for Gold.
Advice? Anyone to call?
Tried a manager? Some of the clerks there aren't fully aware of the rules (I once had one tell me the wifi isn't included for plat, even though most of the clerks know and don't give an issue)
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on December 23, 2012, 07:52:32 AM
Tried a manager? Some of the clerks there aren't fully aware of the rules (I once had one tell me the wifi isn't included for plat, even though most of the clerks know and don't give an issue)
But it's not a listed benefit on SPG's site.
https://www.starwoodhotels.com/preferredguest/account/member_benefits/gold_preferred.html
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on December 23, 2012, 08:12:23 AM
My friend is there now, no status, they told him 75 shekel for breakfast.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: cooljoe613 on December 23, 2012, 02:43:25 PM
My friend is there now, no status, they told him 75 shekel for breakfast.

its not free for gold i got it for 60 nis bec im gold

can ur friend add my spg number to his stay?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on December 23, 2012, 02:54:16 PM
its not free for gold i got it for 60 nis bec im gold

can ur friend add my spg number to his stay?
you keep on asking people to do this. These are all points reservations booked out of their account.
And he got it down to 60 nis.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on December 23, 2012, 03:34:06 PM
But it's not a listed benefit on SPG's site.
https://www.starwoodhotels.com/preferredguest/account/member_benefits/gold_preferred.html
My bad. Gold doesn't get breakfast, only Plat
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on December 23, 2012, 03:43:16 PM
My bad. Gold doesn't get breakfast, only Plat
I thought you had experience with getting breakfast as Gold :(

Ah well
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on December 23, 2012, 04:13:48 PM
I thought you had experience with getting breakfast as Gold :(

Ah well
I don't think I've ever been gold :)
Go big, or go home!
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on December 23, 2012, 04:32:28 PM
I don't think I've ever been gold :)
Go big, or go home!
First off, I am currently at home.

I'm going to shoot for Plat next year. W/ 3 open SPG cards, I'll need 19 stays. If I can sell enough to co-workers, and book a few for ourselves at the DS LM, then I may be good to go.

OT, if I reach 25 stays at the mid-year point next year, how long will my Plat status last?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on December 23, 2012, 04:34:18 PM
First off, I am currently at home.

I'm going to shoot for Plat next year. W/ 3 open SPG cards, I'll need 19 stays. If I can sell enough to co-workers, and book a few for ourselves at the DS LM, then I may be good to go.

OT, if I reach 25 stays at the mid-year point next year, how long will my Plat status last?
I believe cutoff is 4/1, so if you make it on 3/31 it'll last until 2/2014, if you make it on 4/1 it'll last until 2/2015
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on December 23, 2012, 04:44:07 PM
I believe cutoff is 4/1, so if you make it on 3/31 it'll last until 2/2014, if you make it on 4/1 it'll last until 2/2015
So better to wait till after March so the status lasts for an extra year?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Dan on December 23, 2012, 04:48:51 PM
I believe cutoff is 4/1, so if you make it on 3/31 it'll last until 2/2014, if you make it on 4/1 it'll last until 2/2015
Cutoff is only for a challenge.
Qualify in 2013 legit, valid until 02/28/15.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on December 23, 2012, 04:59:30 PM
Cutoff is only for a challenge.
Qualify in 2013 legit, valid until 02/28/15.
And Plat is reached through 25 stays/50 nights?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Dan on December 23, 2012, 05:00:48 PM
yes
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on December 23, 2012, 05:04:48 PM
yes
Thanks!
Worth giving it a shot. Will make any future travels easier with 3 little ones.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Koko on December 27, 2012, 05:45:23 PM
i am going to israel mid January, being that i cannot use spg points- le meridian sold out, are there any other options for me to use other points?? or is there still a "way" to get a booking at le meridian? Thanks!!
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: mmermss on December 27, 2012, 05:59:43 PM
i am going to israel mid January, being that i cannot use spg points- le meridian sold out, are there any other options for me to use other points?? or is there still a "way" to get a booking at le meridian? Thanks!!
Yes.  Either keep on checking online to see if a room opened up. Or post in this (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=11744.msg373496#new) thread asking if anyone has nights booked for the dates you want and is not using it or willing to give it up. 
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Koko on December 27, 2012, 06:02:39 PM
Yes.  Either keep on checking online to see if a room opened up. Or post in this (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=11744.msg373496#new) thread asking if anyone has nights booked for the dates you want and is not using it or willing to give it up.

Thank you
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: mmermss on December 27, 2012, 06:11:00 PM
Thank you
YW  :)
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: mendoul on January 27, 2013, 12:37:44 PM
hey im going to israel with my familly (7 peoples) for purim and i would like to stay 2-3 nights at the dead sea
im looking for for a appartment/ hotel for a good price
thanx for your help

a hotel would be the best but is to expensive
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: MEIR613 on January 27, 2013, 01:39:34 PM
hey im going to israel with my familly (7 peoples) for purim and i would like to stay 2-3 nights at the dead sea
im looking for for a appartment/ hotel for a good price
thanx for your help

a hotel would be the best but is to expensive
Check out this thread
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=11744.0
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: mendoul on February 11, 2013, 06:31:59 PM
Someone know about the new separate beach
I heard there is two 1free and 1it cost 50shk
Which one is the new one?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: menashe04 on February 12, 2013, 03:34:15 PM
i want to go tomorrow to the south coming from the Golan. do I have anything to worry about going with the 90 (derech habika'ah) or can I go there safely?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on February 12, 2013, 03:40:20 PM
i want to go tomorrow to the south coming from the Golan. do I have anything to worry about going with the 90 (derech habika'ah) or can I go there safely?
It's a nice highway, and it's quite safe. But it's single lanes most the way, so careful for drivers passing you.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 12, 2013, 03:41:30 PM
i want to go tomorrow to the south coming from the Golan. do I have anything to worry about going with the 90 (derech habika'ah) or can I go there safely?
Where in the south?

The 6 will probably get you there faster
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on February 12, 2013, 03:45:49 PM
It's a nice highway, and it's quite safe. But it's single lanes most the way, so careful for drivers passing you.

I don't believe Americans have that problem. ;)
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: menashe04 on February 12, 2013, 03:52:47 PM
Where in the south?

The 6 will probably get you there faster
masada, ein gedi and dead sea.
on google maps seems like with the 90 is at least half hour or more faster than the 6. from tzfas
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 12, 2013, 03:54:34 PM
masada, ein gedi and dead sea.
on google maps seems like with the 90 is at least half hour or more faster than the 6. from tzfas
90 is a single lane highway, 6 is the biggest hwy in the country...

For the dead sea you're probably better off w the 90 though
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on February 12, 2013, 04:03:32 PM
I don't believe Americans have that problem. ;)
Some of us Clevelanders do...
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: menashe04 on February 12, 2013, 04:04:48 PM
I just wanted to check that its safe.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: menashe04 on February 12, 2013, 04:29:09 PM
any jeeping or camelback riding in that area?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on February 12, 2013, 04:31:37 PM
any jeeping or camelback riding in that area?
Chk the Israel thread for this. Some ppl have posted suggestions.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: njmacman on March 06, 2013, 02:30:41 PM
Hi all. Looking for a hotel for overnight in the Dead Sea on Chol Hamoed. The hotels themselves are booked since they give the rooms to the tour people. Anybody know who I can call or write? I need 3 rooms. Thanks.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: M on April 16, 2013, 05:51:41 PM
Any other hotels in Dead Sea able to be booked with points and worthwhile?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on April 16, 2013, 11:28:59 PM
Any other hotels in Dead Sea able to be booked with points and worthwhile?
The CP, but I think it's 25-30k points, which is poor, unless you have no other options.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: basketnarb on July 30, 2013, 12:00:36 PM
Wanna climb Masada on Thursday morning - anyone know details such as how much they charge and what's the earliest we can start?  We're coming from Beitar Illit and the plan is to get up super early, 3ish and get there so we can start climbing as early as possible. Would love to get to the top in time to daven vasikin but its so early now that I have a feeling they wont let us start that early.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: PraiseCanada on September 22, 2013, 11:48:46 AM
I'm thinking of staying at the Dead Sea tomorrow night, Chol Hamoed Sukkos.

I happen to have 60,000 Starwood points.

What can I do to get the best price or value for points?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: chucksterace on September 22, 2013, 11:52:20 AM
I'm thinking of staying at the Dead Sea tomorrow night, Chol Hamoed Sukkos.

I happen to have 60,000 Starwood points.

What can I do to get the best price or value for points?

Only SPG is the LMDS, see HERE (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=11744).

Very hard to get availability. Nothing for your date. Good luck.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: PraiseCanada on September 22, 2013, 12:11:43 PM
Only SPG is the LMDS, see HERE (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=11744).

Very hard to get availability. Nothing for your date. Good luck.

Where do you see availability?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on September 22, 2013, 01:04:28 PM
Where do you see availability?

He says he doesn't see availability.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: PraiseCanada on September 22, 2013, 05:38:49 PM
He says he doesn't see availability.

And where doesn't he see availability?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: chucksterace on September 22, 2013, 05:42:25 PM
And where doesn't he see availability?

I do not see availability using points for tomorrow night at the LMDS.

You said, and I quite
I'm thinking of staying at the Dead Sea tomorrow night, Chol Hamoed Sukkos.

What can I do to get the best price or value for points?

To get the best value for points would be using them at this hotel.. But it is not available
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on September 23, 2013, 03:01:09 AM
Expedia has rooms for $300 per night, includes breakfast and dinner.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: smiley face on October 24, 2013, 12:04:48 AM
I would love to stay at the LMDS sometime during the week of Nov. 17th.
As of now there is nothing available  :(
Does it happen that dates become available closer to the stay?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Homeandl on November 03, 2013, 11:14:39 AM
Now that the Le Meridien is gone from SPG, what other hotel in Ein Boqeq do you recommend? Since points won't do no more, I'm paying full price this time and I'm looking for a nice hotel on the sea with kosher food if possible?!

Thanks
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on November 03, 2013, 11:48:29 AM
Now that the Le Meridien is gone from SPG, what other hotel in Ein Boqeq do you recommend? Since points won't do no more, I'm paying full price this time and I'm looking for a nice hotel on the sea with kosher food if possible?!

Thanks
You can book the CP with points
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on November 03, 2013, 12:57:24 PM
You can book the CP with points
yea, but once you pay for meals, you may be better off just booking a half board s/w else (unless you'd rather have the cash instead of a poor redemption)
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Homeandl on November 03, 2013, 01:51:05 PM
You can book the CP with points
Thanks for the reply, I'm not sure if I wanna spend UR on IHG hotels, now if I am to pay full price for a nice stay which hotel is my best bet?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on November 03, 2013, 02:08:30 PM
Thanks for the reply, I'm not sure if I wanna spend UR on IHG hotels, now if I am to pay full price for a nice stay which hotel is my best bet?
You can 'buy' IHG points for .7 each.
W/ regards to which hotel, if you're limited by your kashrus requirements, you won't have too many choices

I was told by a friend that the Royal hotel is very nice, but when I was there for a night, I wasn't blown away.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Homeandl on November 03, 2013, 02:52:34 PM
You can book the CP with points

Anyone here have any experience with Dead Sea CP?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Homeandl on November 27, 2013, 12:38:14 AM
I would love to stay at the LMDS sometime during the week of Nov. 17th.
As of now there is nothing available  :(
Does it happen that dates become available closer to the stay?
I'm trying booking.com and can't find a single day available at the LMDS starting Jan. 1 2014 and on.. it keeps giving me a sold out message

Hopefully as it's gets closer to my dates something will open there
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on November 27, 2013, 01:00:44 AM
I'm trying booking.com and can't find a single day available at the LMDS starting Jan. 1 2014 and on.. it keeps giving me a sold out message

Hopefully as it's gets closer to my dates something will open there
Good morning-LMDS is leaving SPG and will no longer be the LMDS
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Homeandl on November 27, 2013, 01:11:13 AM
Good morning-LMDS is leaving SPG and will no longer be the LMDS
Good morning to you too, who said anything about SPG?? I said booking.com... Read baba read
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Homeandl on November 27, 2013, 01:20:37 AM
Same is true when I try booking via fattal-hotels.com, I always end up getting the following

"Dear guest,Meridien Dead Sea hotel has no available rooms for the specific dates you searched"

I know they're leaving SPG, but now it seems to be impossible booking any dates starting Jan. 2014 even for cash
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Deal Guy on November 27, 2013, 01:26:29 AM
Same is true when I try booking via fattal-hotels.com, I always end up getting the following

"Dear guest,Meridien Dead Sea hotel has no available rooms for the specific dates you searched"

I know they're leaving SPG, but now it seems to be impossible booking any dates starting Jan. 2014 even for cash
because they are leaving fattal as well.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Homeandl on November 27, 2013, 01:44:55 AM
because they are leaving fattal as well.
So where are they going and where would one make reservations for this hotel now??
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: ayman on November 27, 2013, 02:43:39 AM
A little OT but a must do there is the ATV in LMDS. It was really cool. 8) Well worth the price ~$125 per person.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on November 27, 2013, 03:00:30 PM
A little OT but a must do there is the ATV in LMDS. It was really cool. 8) Well worth the price ~$125 per person.
In the Hotel?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Dan on November 27, 2013, 03:03:07 PM
In the Hotel?
Around the pool.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on November 27, 2013, 03:05:22 PM
Around the pool.
Are you being serious?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Ebys33 on November 27, 2013, 07:32:44 PM
Does anyone have rooms available for sale for the  la meridian Dead Sea  ?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: ayman on November 27, 2013, 10:14:00 PM

In the Hotel?
Lol the office is on the first floor, (at the end of the staircase) they drive you about 20 min away.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: ayman on November 27, 2013, 10:14:23 PM

Around the pool.
funny man
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Yitz on November 28, 2013, 03:11:46 PM
Looking for information on Minyanim in Hotels in the dead sea area. Information would be appreciated
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: smiley face on November 28, 2013, 03:36:59 PM
Was recently at the Le Meridian on Shabbos and there was 2 minyanim (ashkenaz and sefard). There was about 80 people all together for shachris!
Shachris @ 7:30
Mincha @ 1:30
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Yitz on November 28, 2013, 03:46:15 PM
Was recently at the Le Meridian on Shabbos and there was 2 minyanim (ashkenaz and sefard). There was about 80 people all together for shachris!
Shachris @ 7:30
Mincha @ 1:30
Thanks. Any info for the middle of the week.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: smiley face on November 28, 2013, 03:58:39 PM
Thanks. Any info for the middle of the week.
Don't know, there is supposed to be a Minyan every day for Shachris at 7:30 but only 2 other people showed up :-[
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on November 28, 2013, 04:05:12 PM
Don't know, there is supposed to be a Minyan every day for Shachris at 7:30 but only 2 other people showed up :-[
too late after neitz...
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on November 28, 2013, 04:33:12 PM
Was recently at the Le Meridian on Shabbos and there was 2 minyanim (ashkenaz and sefard). There was about 80 people all together for shachris!
Shachris @ 7:30
Mincha @ 1:30
Rumor is that the shul is moving to the crown plaza in January :-)
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Yitz on November 28, 2013, 06:36:36 PM
Rumor is that the shul is moving to the crown plaza in January :-)
+1 Very cute.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: sruly on November 28, 2013, 06:52:05 PM
Thanks. Any info for the middle of the week.
Was there last chanukah and shacharis was at 7am
I came at 705am and the place was so packed that people were davening in the hall
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: PraiseCanada on December 03, 2013, 07:23:03 AM
What types of points are useful at the Dead Sea?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on December 03, 2013, 08:46:58 AM
What types of points are useful at the Dead Sea?
Only CP for the Crowne Plaza, and maybe the Meridian if in enters the IHG chain.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: how on December 19, 2013, 01:07:07 PM
With the LMDS value gone, what are the nicer hotel @ the dead sea? They are all around the same price
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: how on December 19, 2013, 01:28:46 PM
Anyone ever here of Herods Hotel?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on December 19, 2013, 01:31:16 PM
Anyone ever here of Herods Hotel?
supposed to be very nice down in Eilat.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: how on December 19, 2013, 01:34:08 PM
It seems the one at the dead sea used to be called leonardo plaza?? I guess they finally figured out that there is no point in having 5 hotels in the same place all called leonardo ::)
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on December 19, 2013, 01:36:20 PM
It seems the one at the dead sea used to be called leonardo plaza?? I guess they finally figured out that there is no point in having 5 hotels in the same place all called leonardo ::)
Perhaps it's new ownership?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: how on December 19, 2013, 01:37:12 PM
maybe... its under fattal
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: how on December 19, 2013, 01:39:22 PM
According to the zip code the only leonardo it matches it leonardo privilege?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: bingit on January 05, 2014, 08:56:00 PM
I made a reservation a few months ago at the meridian dead sea , now spg emailed me that they are switching me to the crown plaza, anybody have gone there recently and how does it compare to the meridian? im going there next week iyh
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Yitz on January 05, 2014, 09:40:44 PM
I made a reservation a few months ago at the meridian dead sea , now spg emailed me that they are switching me to the crown plaza, anybody have gone there recently and how does it compare to the meridian? im going there next week iyh
I am going in Feb I would appreciate your feedback.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: my08701 on January 06, 2014, 01:09:41 PM
I made a reservation a few months ago at the meridian dead sea , now spg emailed me that they are switching me to the crown plaza, anybody have gone there recently and how does it compare to the meridian? im going there next week iyh
It is in the same area, if that helps, looks similar, but slightly older from the outside, though I never made it past the lobby in the Crowne Plaze, I statyed with Starwood points at Le Meridian...
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: gami on January 20, 2014, 10:31:26 AM
any recommendations for a PAID stay at the dead sea with a good spa (Jacuzzi, Sauna, Steam and stuff)?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: raphy781 on January 27, 2014, 07:16:01 AM
Where can I go for food in the area? Doesnt have to be anything fancy.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on January 27, 2014, 07:16:25 AM
Where can I go for food in the area? Doesnt have to be anything fancy.
cafe cafe in the mall
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: raphy781 on January 27, 2014, 07:27:01 AM
cafe cafe in the mall
Thanx. Is there anything fleishig?(schnitzel/shwarma/burger type)
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: FlightGuy on January 27, 2014, 08:54:14 AM
Thanx. Is there anything fleishig?(schnitzel/shwarma/burger type)

You can eat fleishigs in one of the Hotels, maybe the (Le Meredien) David. Although check the hechsher first, i believe it is Rabbanut.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: ayman on January 27, 2014, 09:43:14 AM

cafe cafe in the mall
When we ate there in November it was awful, my wife and I both did not finish our meals. Service was bored with too much time and not enough clients. Yet still managed to ignore us.

I don't remember it being so bad previous times.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: FlightGuy on January 27, 2014, 09:47:31 AM
When we ate there in November it was awful, my wife and I both did not finish our meals. Service was bored with too much time and not enough clients. Yet still managed to ignore us.

I don't remember it being so bad previous times.


I ate there in 2011, food and milkshake was really good and nice view of dead sea from there.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Got a clue on January 27, 2014, 10:35:56 AM
cafe cafe in the mall

Only place for food. Bring grill and some chicken.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: zw on February 20, 2014, 08:44:24 AM
Is there a minyan on Shabbos in the cp?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Yitz on February 20, 2014, 09:13:12 AM
Is there a minyan on Shabbos in the cp?
I was just in CP not for Shabbos and had a hard time with a minyan, I went to the Royal and they had a nice size minyan and I was told by locals that thye always have a minyan. It is in walking distance.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: zw on February 20, 2014, 01:30:36 PM
I was just in CP not for Shabbos and had a hard time with a minyan, I went to the Royal and they had a nice size minyan and I was told by locals that thye always have a minyan. It is in walking distance.
Thanx! So is the cp worth the 30000 points??
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Yitz on February 20, 2014, 02:01:21 PM
Thanx! So is the cp worth the 30000 points??
you mean 3000 points. I think so the room was ok. My wife enjoyed the stay. The mashgiach Avi was very helpful with the different hechsherim. The Head chef was a little nasty.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: zw on February 20, 2014, 02:24:18 PM
you mean 3000 points. I think so the room was ok. My wife enjoyed the stay. The mashgiach Avi was very helpful with the different hechsherim. The Head chef was a little nasty.
why 3000 don't you use ihg points? so what is the hechsher there I saw they have a restaurant?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Yitz on February 20, 2014, 03:44:32 PM
I used starwoods, I booked this when they was supposed to put me in the Lemerdien. That was 6000 starwood points for 2 nights.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: zw on February 20, 2014, 05:49:31 PM
I tried booking the cp for one night but it seems like the min is two nights for now for some reason
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: FlightGuy on February 21, 2014, 12:21:29 AM
I was just in CP not for Shabbos and had a hard time with a minyan, I went to the Royal and they had a nice size minyan and I was told by locals that thye always have a minyan. It is in walking distance.

is there still a Minyan in the former Le Meridien hotel?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: moish on February 21, 2014, 01:23:37 AM
is there still a Minyan in the former Le Meridien hotel?
im sure there is. the minyan was mostly made up of non spg guests
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: FlightGuy on February 21, 2014, 01:31:01 AM
im sure there is. the minyan was mostly made up of non spg guests

Thank you.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on February 21, 2014, 09:12:50 AM
is there still a Minyan in the former Le Meridien hotel?
Shachris at the Crowne Plaza this week is 7:30 am
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Yitz on February 21, 2014, 03:02:49 PM
I was
Shachris at the Crowne Plaza this week is 7:30 am
last week at the CP and they had a very hard time with a minyan. Like I mentioned the Royal had a minyan I was told they always have.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on February 22, 2014, 02:50:30 PM
I was last week at the CP and they had a very hard time with a minyan. Like I mentioned the Royal had a minyan I was told they always have.
Weird.
Was packed to the brim this week, w/ ppl standing in the hallway due to a lack of space.
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Post by: avadah on February 22, 2014, 03:15:04 PM
LM is just leaving SPG or it's becoming a different hotel?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on February 22, 2014, 04:19:18 PM
LM is just leaving SPG or it's becoming a different hotel?
Left.
New management, and is now called David s/t.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: FlightGuy on February 22, 2014, 07:03:57 PM
Left.
New management, and is now called David s/t.

They cut out the Le Meridien part of the name, so its the David Dead Sea Hotel and resort now.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on February 22, 2014, 07:23:56 PM
So is there a hotel now by the dead sea that works with SPG?
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Post by: chucksterace on February 22, 2014, 07:25:38 PM

So is there a hotel now by the dead sea that works with SPG?

No
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Yitz on February 23, 2014, 11:04:46 AM
Weird.
Was packed to the brim this week, w/ ppl standing in the hallway due to a lack of space.
The shul at the Royal is much bigger and much nicer than at CP.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on February 23, 2014, 11:11:33 AM
The shul at the Royal is much bigger and much nicer than at CP.
That's not saying much.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Yitz on February 23, 2014, 11:56:03 AM
That's not saying much.
Have you ever been to the Royal?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on February 23, 2014, 01:21:12 PM
Have you ever been to the Royal?
I'm commenting on the CP's shul quality.
And I've been to the Royal, although I don't remember the shul all that much.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Yitz on February 23, 2014, 03:39:55 PM
I'm commenting on the CP's shul quality.
And I've been to the Royal, although I don't remember the shul all that much.
I would call the Royal a shul and CP a extra space the hotel made for praying
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on February 23, 2014, 04:01:28 PM
I would call the Royal a shul and CP a extra space the hotel made for praying
Sounds about right.
At least the CP's shul was nicer than the LMDS 'shul'.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on May 11, 2014, 04:36:57 AM
Any idea about the hechsher at Cafe Cafe? And how far is it from the beaches and/or Ein Gedi?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: hakohen on May 11, 2014, 07:10:41 AM
http://www.einbokek.com/cafecafe/
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Ein+Bokek+shopping&hl=en&ll=31.19866,35.363413&spn=0.005993,0.009645&sll=31.197917,35.36469&sspn=0.011986,0.01929&t=h&doflg=ptk&hq=shopping&hnear=Ein+Bokek,+Israel&fll=31.198963,35.366621&fspn=0.005993,0.009645&z=17&layer=c&cbll=31.198589,35.363357&panoid=4jp0xVAPTcRKmMpX8_8iwQ&cbp=12,124.98,,0,-1 (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Ein+Bokek+shopping&hl=en&ll=31.19866,35.363413&spn=0.005993,0.009645&sll=31.197917,35.36469&sspn=0.011986,0.01929&t=h&doflg=ptk&hq=shopping&hnear=Ein+Bokek,+Israel&fll=31.198963,35.366621&fspn=0.005993,0.009645&z=17&layer=c&cbll=31.198589,35.363357&panoid=4jp0xVAPTcRKmMpX8_8iwQ&cbp=12,124.98,,0,-1)
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Post by: @Yehuda on May 11, 2014, 07:16:31 AM
http://www.einbokek.com/cafecafe/
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Ein+Bokek+shopping&hl=en&ll=31.19866,35.363413&spn=0.005993,0.009645&sll=31.197917,35.36469&sspn=0.011986,0.01929&t=h&doflg=ptk&hq=shopping&hnear=Ein+Bokek,+Israel&fll=31.198963,35.366621&fspn=0.005993,0.009645&z=17&layer=c&cbll=31.198589,35.363357&panoid=4jp0xVAPTcRKmMpX8_8iwQ&cbp=12,124.98,,0,-1 (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Ein+Bokek+shopping&hl=en&ll=31.19866,35.363413&spn=0.005993,0.009645&sll=31.197917,35.36469&sspn=0.011986,0.01929&t=h&doflg=ptk&hq=shopping&hnear=Ein+Bokek,+Israel&fll=31.198963,35.366621&fspn=0.005993,0.009645&z=17&layer=c&cbll=31.198589,35.363357&panoid=4jp0xVAPTcRKmMpX8_8iwQ&cbp=12,124.98,,0,-1)
Unless you were hoping I could make out what the Teudah says from the pics on their site, that link didn't help find out about its kashrus. But thanks for the coupon!
Map didn't get an exact location of the restaurant, but it seems like it's 1/2 hour drive from Ein Gedi, which means I might as well go back to Yerushalayim for food. Thanks
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: shimino1 on May 11, 2014, 07:53:11 AM
Unless you were hoping I could make out what the Teudah says from the pics on their site, that link didn't help find out about its kashrus. But thanks for the coupon!
Map didn't get an exact location of the restaurant, but it seems like it's 1/2 hour drive from Ein Gedi, which means I might as well go back to Yerushalayim for food. Thanks
Ein gedi is about 20-30 min from the dead sea, jerusalem is at least an hour, plus dont you want to see the dead sea at all?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: smiley face on May 11, 2014, 07:53:59 AM
Any idea about the hechsher at Cafe Cafe? And how far is it from the beaches and/or Ein Gedi?
Supposed to be a decent hechsher. It's about a 45 min walk and 4 minute drive from the le meridian.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on May 11, 2014, 08:24:28 AM
Ein gedi is about 20-30 min from the dead sea, jerusalem is at least an hour, plus dont you want to see the dead sea at all?
I guess I assumed Ein Gedi was closer. From my trip there in Yeshiva it felt like a 5 minute drive, but obviously I wasn't paying attention.
So hike in the morning, lunch at Cafe Cafe, afternoon at the beach?

Suggestions for getting 5 adults from Yerushalayim to Ein Gedi and from Dead Sea back to Yerushalayim?
Supposed to be a decent hechsher. It's about a 45 min walk and 4 minute drive from the le meridian.
Thanks, still want to verify that.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: AnonymousUser on May 11, 2014, 09:43:48 AM
Suggestions for getting 5 adults from Yerushalayim to Ein Gedi and from Dead Sea back to Yerushalayim?
Egged bus, or rent a car.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: chucksterace on May 11, 2014, 10:37:52 AM
Egged bus, or rent a car.

Renting a car will be much cheaper. PM Hocker. He has great rates.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: lunatic on May 11, 2014, 10:44:11 AM
When I was there a few years ago, the Hechsher was from some rabbanut in the area. We only got coffee there... But did not look into it to see if Ok for everything else
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on May 11, 2014, 11:11:49 AM
Renting a car will be much cheaper. PM Hocker. He has great rates.
Thanks will do!
When I was there a few years ago, the Hechsher was from some rabbanut in the area. We only got coffee there... But did not look into it to see if Ok for everything else
Thanks
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Joe4007 on May 11, 2014, 11:12:10 AM
Ein gedi is about 20-30 min from Ein Bokek.
FTFY.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: FlightGuy on May 14, 2014, 04:54:31 PM
Any idea about the hechsher at Cafe Cafe? And how far is it from the beaches and/or Ein Gedi?

pretty sure it Has a Mehadrin Hechsher, very good food! and right on the beach at Ein Bokek. And a 5 minute WALK from the Le Meredien (former) or other hotels
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on June 03, 2014, 07:48:53 AM
Thanks guys.
Do I need to book an Ein Gedi hike in advance? Any suggestions for which path is the best to take?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: sammy n on June 03, 2014, 07:55:14 AM

Thanks guys.
Do I need to book an Ein Gedi hike in advance? Any suggestions for which path is the best to take?
Dont believe you have to book in advance. Not sure about which path is the best.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on June 03, 2014, 08:08:24 AM
Thanks guys.
Do I need to book an Ein Gedi hike in advance? Any suggestions for which path is the best to take?
No need to book, it's a national park.
When you get there, you'll pay an entrance fee and receive a map, you can decide what to do based on the weather,  time, and difficulty factor.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on June 03, 2014, 08:11:48 AM
No need to book, it's a national park.
When you get there, you'll pay an entrance fee and receive a map, you can decide what to do based on the weather,  time, and difficulty factor.
Fantastic. Thanks
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Yitz on June 03, 2014, 08:21:31 AM
Thanks guys.
Do I need to book an Ein Gedi hike in advance? Any suggestions for which path is the best to take?
The path on the left is a little harder and you can hike as long or as short as you would like. Take lots of water.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on June 03, 2014, 08:26:44 AM
The path on the left is a little harder and you can hike as long or as short as you would like. Take lots of water.
Thank you, plan to do that :)
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Yitz on June 03, 2014, 10:06:20 AM
Thank you, plan to do that :)
Also wearing shoes that are water proof and walking in the part that has water is lots of fun.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: ilherman on June 03, 2014, 10:36:10 AM
what is the cheapest way to stay at the Le Meridan!
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on June 03, 2014, 10:54:31 AM
Also wearing shoes that are water proof and walking in the part that has water is lots of fun.
Thanks. Hard to decide on water shoes or sneakers for the hiking. Will probably wear sneakers and just take them off if we go into water.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: ilherman on June 03, 2014, 12:05:41 PM
what is the cheapest way to stay at the Le Meridan!
Or where I can get any good deals for a nice hotel at the Dead Sea got that matter.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Yitz on June 06, 2014, 01:33:02 PM
Thanks. Hard to decide on water shoes or sneakers for the hiking. Will probably wear sneakers and just take them off if we go into water.
You want to wear the shoes in the water, you will be stepping on rocks, You can also use the water shoes for Yam Hamelech if you are going to take a dip.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on June 06, 2014, 01:33:54 PM
You want to wear the shoes in the water, you will be stepping on rocks, You can also use the water shoes for Yam Hamelech if you are going to take a dip.
Thanks gotcha
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: efflpetzel on June 10, 2014, 02:51:35 PM
I'm looking for a guided tour of Masada, one that only includes Masada itself & not transportation from Jerusalem.

any ideas?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Joe4007 on June 10, 2014, 03:50:03 PM
I'm looking for a guided tour of Masada, one that only includes Masada itself & not transportation from Jerusalem.

any ideas?
They have free audio guides there if it helps.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: efflpetzel on June 10, 2014, 03:55:27 PM
They have free audio guides there if it helps.
thanks.


also I notice that they offer a package which includes lunch, any idea what hechsher they use
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on June 14, 2014, 11:23:12 PM
Thinking of going to CP for 30K. Is it nice? Is there a spa?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: SOS on June 15, 2014, 12:29:13 AM
Thinking of going to CP for 30K. Is it nice? Is there a spa?
I was there in the beginning of may and they were redoing the beach so half was closed off so find out if they finished their construction
I was there just for the day so I don't know about the hotel itself
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on June 15, 2014, 02:10:11 AM
Thinking of going to CP for 30K. Is it nice? Is there a spa?
Decent place, not as nice as the LMDS.
When I was there in Feb, most of their beach was closed for work. You can call them to double check.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: ranhan429 on October 29, 2014, 03:15:45 AM
Thinking of going to CP for 30K. Is it nice? Is there a spa?
Did u end up going? That's 30k IHG points right?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on October 29, 2014, 06:17:59 AM
Did u end up going? That's 30k IHG points right?
Nope, we just drove down and can back in the afternoon. Yes 30K IHG.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: ranhan429 on October 29, 2014, 06:21:16 AM
Nope, we just drove down and can back in the afternoon. Yes 30K IHG.
Wanna go to the dead sea next weekend, not seeing any good redemption options, and honestly I think 30k IHG is too much. Will probably pay for cash hotel / hotels.com got a 3ppd deal right now with UR Portal.. Any hotel reccomendations?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on October 29, 2014, 11:11:34 AM
Wanna go to the dead sea next weekend, not seeing any good redemption options, and honestly I think 30k IHG is too much. Will probably pay for cash hotel / hotels.com got a 3ppd deal right now with UR Portal.. Any hotel reccomendations?
Yeah, I imagine there are nicer 30K IHG hotels.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Kabrams1618 on November 09, 2014, 05:15:51 AM
Anyone go to the crown plaza Dead Sea recently.  Is the beach open? Any trip report on the hotel itself.  Does the 30k ihg points get you breakfast.  Does platinum get you anything?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: danR on May 11, 2015, 12:04:07 PM
Has anyone been to Hod Hamidbar Resort and Spa Hotel, it rated #1 on trip adviser. Also anyone know which hotels are kosher in the dead sea area?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Luvtotravel on May 11, 2015, 12:10:15 PM
Has anyone been to Hod Hamidbar Resort and Spa Hotel, it rated #1 on trip adviser. Also anyone know which hotels are kosher in the dead sea area?
As far as my inquiries went I was told they're all varying levels of "kosher". You need to ask each hotel what their standards are.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: travel-ing on August 09, 2016, 01:26:42 PM
looking for a paid stay at the dead sea. anyone have info on crown plaza vs herods they are both newly renovated (i think) any feedback would be appreciated. also what is the story with minyan during the week over there?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Luvtotravel on December 30, 2016, 02:23:44 PM
any opinion regarding herrods vs. isrotel?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: moe8555 on December 31, 2016, 05:26:14 PM
Didn't see this mentioned here, so FYI to all:

Renovations at the Crowne Plaza Dead Sea have finished and the private beach is open again.  Also, they now have renovated Club Rooms and a Club Lounge.  Don't know what the payup is to add it to a points booking, but this probably makes the hotel a much more lucrative redemption now (keep in mind, very limited choices for dining in the area).
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Luvtotravel on January 01, 2017, 11:35:08 AM
Didn't see this mentioned here, so FYI to all:

Renovations at the Crowne Plaza Dead Sea have finished and the private beach is open again.  Also, they now have renovated Club Rooms and a Club Lounge.  Don't know what the payup is to add it to a points booking, but this probably makes the hotel a much more lucrative redemption now (keep in mind, very limited choices for dining in the area).
in which area would I find mehadrin/glatt dining?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Yitz on January 01, 2017, 07:23:54 PM
in which area would I find mehadrin/glatt dining?
They have a mashgiach on premises who is very helpful in answering what item have which Hechsher. You can ask the hotle to connect you to the Masgiach. We were in the hotel last year and service is not the best.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Luvtotravel on January 01, 2017, 09:57:16 PM
They have a mashgiach on premises who is very helpful in answering what item have which Hechsher. You can ask the hotle to connect you to the Masgiach. We were in the hotel last year and service is not the best.
does every hotel serve three meals or do some only do breakfast? whre would I check that on site like trivago? also, would you recommend staying in dead sea over Shabbos, or go to Jerusalem and back?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Yitz on January 01, 2017, 10:25:45 PM
does every hotel serve three meals or do some only do breakfast? whre would I check that on site like trivago? also, would you recommend staying in dead sea over Shabbos, or go to Jerusalem and back?
I personaly would prefer Jerusalem for shabbos. I think every hotel offers 3 meals you just have to pay extra, breakfast can be included depending what your status is and what you paid for the room. I booked on points and breakfast was not included in the crowne Plaza
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Luvtotravel on January 02, 2017, 10:10:40 PM
after doing some research I realize that not all hotels have indoor salt water pools. anyone know which ones do?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: rollingstone on January 03, 2017, 06:26:18 AM
after doing some research I realize that not all hotels have indoor salt water pools. anyone know which ones do?
The Crown plaza has one.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Luvtotravel on January 12, 2017, 12:41:39 AM
The Crown plaza has one.
whats your review of the crown plaza? and if you've been to both, how does it compare to hod hamidbar?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: travel-ing on January 12, 2017, 09:01:25 AM
whats your review of the crown plaza? and if you've been to both, how does it compare to hod hamidbar?
crowne plaza is overall my favorite at the dead sea. they have private beach at hotel not across the street like many hotels, minyan if you are lucky, its large recently renovated and get the most of your$
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Luvtotravel on January 12, 2017, 01:36:44 PM
crowne plaza is overall my favorite at the dead sea. they have private beach at hotel not across the street like many hotels, minyan if you are lucky, its large recently renovated and get the most of your$
hows the spa? what did you do for dinner?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Yitz on January 12, 2017, 01:58:12 PM
hows the spa? what did you do for dinner?
The Mall has a dairy restaurant. You can also eat in the Hotel.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Luvtotravel on January 12, 2017, 02:12:23 PM
The Mall has a dairy restaurant. You can also eat in the Hotel.
I only saw option for breakfast.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Yitz on January 12, 2017, 03:02:06 PM
I only saw option for breakfast.
The hotel serves all meals for a fee that are not included. If you have status with IHG you can enter the special room and they have food. Not much like soup some finger food drinks and fruit.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Luvtotravel on January 12, 2017, 04:26:50 PM
The hotel serves all meals for a fee that are not included. If you have status with IHG you can enter the special room and they have food. Not much like soup some finger food drinks and fruit.
the food you mentioned is the dinner??? what status?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: shimino1 on January 13, 2017, 04:19:41 AM
the food you mentioned is the dinner??? what status?
Probably talking about the business lounge where they have some fruit, drinks and canapes.
I would speak to the mashgiach to figure out what you are comfortable eating there. Even fruit and vegetables can have big issues in Israel.

I often find more things I can eat in a hotel in China or Poland than in an Israeli hotel  :)
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: shulem92 on January 13, 2017, 11:06:19 AM
Probably talking about the business lounge where they have some fruit, drinks and canapes.
I would speak to the mashgiach to figure out what you are comfortable eating there. Even fruit and vegetables can have big issues in Israel.

I often find more things I can eat in a hotel in China or Poland than in an Israeli hotel  :)
Because in China and Poland u don't have trumos and maasros issues
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: shimino1 on January 15, 2017, 02:26:12 AM
Because in China and Poland u don't have trumos and maasros issues
Exactly
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Luvtotravel on January 15, 2017, 11:41:30 AM
Exactly
what should I be inquiring? also, does anyone know which hotels have separate pool hours? I know le meridian had one hour men one women rest mixed, several years ago.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Yitz on January 15, 2017, 01:41:32 PM
what should I be inquiring? also, does anyone know which hotels have separate pool hours? I know le meridian had one hour men one women rest mixed, several years ago.
That might be the only hotel. If you want to go to the beach they have separate swimming all day.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Luvtotravel on January 29, 2017, 08:12:16 PM
anyone have contact info for the segregated beach that has spa facilities?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Yitz on January 30, 2017, 09:32:56 AM
anyone have contact info for the segregated beach that has spa facilities?
The public segregated beach does not have spa facilities, at least I have never noticed it.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: tzifanya54 on January 30, 2017, 09:47:42 AM
The public segregated beach does not have spa facilities, at least I have never noticed it.
There is something up the road I think, closer to Ein Gedi IIRC
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Yitz on January 30, 2017, 12:11:18 PM
There is something up the road I think, closer to Ein Gedi IIRC
Not really separate. The pool might be separate.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on January 30, 2017, 12:15:56 PM
Probably talking about the business lounge where they have some fruit, drinks and canapes.
I would speak to the mashgiach to figure out what you are comfortable eating there. Even fruit and vegetables can have big issues in Israel.

I often find more things I can eat in a hotel in China or Poland than in an Israeli hotel  :)
I always think Israel's one of the only countries you can go hungry in.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Yitz on January 30, 2017, 01:02:56 PM
I always think Israel's one of the only countries you can go hungry in.
If you are careful what you eat. Like Hechserim.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Luvtotravel on February 08, 2017, 05:28:01 PM
The public segregated beach does not have spa facilities, at least I have never noticed it.
I was there a dozen or so years ago so my memory might be rusty but I recall a building with facilities to change for the segregated beach as well as indoor sulfur and salt water pools. not a spa per se but pretty nice
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on February 09, 2017, 02:21:01 AM
Even fruit and vegetables can have big issues in Israel.

Yeshivas don't teach bochrim who don't eat rabbanut fruits/veggies how to separate trumot and maasarot themselves?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: shiframeir on August 06, 2017, 01:37:34 AM
crowne plaza is overall my favorite at the dead sea. they have private beach at hotel not across the street like many hotels, minyan if you are lucky, its large recently renovated and get the most of your$
Wow, i remember that place being full of arab women when i checked it out years ago, is it nice now?

Probably talking about the business lounge where they have some fruit, drinks and canapes.
does CP Dead Sea recognize Plat Elite for getting into the lounge? Usually u get nothing for that level in israel...
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: bb_sam on August 20, 2017, 11:03:19 AM
Anyone have any recent experience at the CP Dead Sea Club Lounge?  Do they serve breakfast in the lounge?  Other meals?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: ysofer on August 20, 2017, 03:35:31 PM
can we do Masada or Ein Gedi with a baby in a stroller?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: hide4 on August 20, 2017, 03:54:55 PM
can we do Masada or Ein Gedi with a baby in a stroller?
They both have lots of steps...
There is a cable car that goes up Masada.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: csl1 on September 07, 2017, 01:22:00 AM
Looking for a recommendation for a vacation rental/alternative to hotels in the Dead Sea/Masada area for a family of 6.
thanks
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Drago on September 10, 2017, 03:42:32 AM
Looking for a recommendation for a vacation rental/alternative to hotels in the Dead Sea/Masada area for a family of 6.
thanks
airbnb
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Yitz on September 10, 2017, 08:56:25 AM
Looking for a recommendation for a vacation rental/alternative to hotels in the Dead Sea/Masada area for a family of 6.
thanks
The City Arad might be a choice
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: davidtron on October 16, 2017, 11:09:14 AM
Is there anywhere to eat in the Dead Sea besides for cafe cafe?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: sam28 on November 03, 2017, 09:30:04 AM
what hotel can u eat the meat with a normal hacher in the Dead Sea ?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: csl1 on November 04, 2017, 10:28:25 PM
In response to my question about an alternative lodging and near the Dead Sea, we stayed in the Masada youth hostel which was a half minute walk to the Masada snakepath traihead- which was ideal for our pre-dawn trek up to the summit! The completely private family room was very clean with a freezer fridge, private bathroom and shower.  The pool was beautiful too! We highly recommend it for its  location to where we wanted to be.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: shimino1 on November 05, 2017, 05:48:32 PM
what hotel can u eat the meat with a normal hacher in the Dead Sea ?
Try the Royal.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Yid21 on November 15, 2017, 10:18:43 AM
Do you know the hashgacha of Royal? So its just that and cafe cafe?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Kabrams1618 on November 15, 2017, 10:25:49 AM
Is there parking at the masada youth hostel?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: csl1 on November 21, 2017, 10:18:20 PM
I don't know about the parking, i'm sorry, we had someone drive our family.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: davidd75 on December 26, 2017, 08:57:56 AM
will be in there for one night

I read through some of the posts and im still unclear on haschagaha situation.  which places restaurants have a mehardin type of haschgacha? what are the types of haschgachas at the dead sea?

we will be at the CP for one night
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Yitz on December 26, 2017, 09:41:38 AM
I would speak to the Mashgiach and he will tell you what item has what Hecsher and you can decide what is good for you. Very hard finding a good hecsher in my opinion in that area.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: davidd75 on December 26, 2017, 12:27:29 PM
I would speak to the Mashgiach and he will tell you what item has what Hecsher and you can decide what is good for you. Very hard finding a good hecsher in my opinion in that area.

the thread mentions Cafe Cafe as one of the better hashgacha restaurants what hecsher is that?

when you say speak to the Mashgiach you mean at the CP?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: davidd75 on December 26, 2017, 12:28:54 PM
The Crown plaza has one.

whats the advantage of a indoor salt pool?  separate hours?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: shiframeir on December 26, 2017, 04:20:14 PM
whats the advantage of a indoor salt pool?  separate hours?
also heated. but note if u have kids most places dont allow under 16...
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Yitz on December 26, 2017, 05:39:36 PM
the thread mentions Cafe Cafe as one of the better hashgacha restaurants what hecsher is that?

when you say speak to the Mashgiach you mean at the CP?
Yes at the CP. When I went he was very helpful.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Yitz on December 26, 2017, 05:40:50 PM
whats the advantage of a indoor salt pool?  separate hours?
No separate hours. I was at CP over a year ago
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: davidd75 on December 26, 2017, 05:42:02 PM
also heated. but note if u have kids most places dont allow under 16...

aren't most indoor pools heated?

whats the big deal that it is salt water sounds like a minus not a plus?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Shmuel4 on December 26, 2017, 07:36:05 PM
aren't most indoor pools heated?

whats the big deal that it is salt water sounds like a minus not a plus?

You float in it.  It is a wild experience especially when it is cold or dark outside....
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: shiframeir on December 26, 2017, 08:08:21 PM
You float in it.  It is a wild experience especially when it is cold or dark outside....
yup, and its cleaner and easier to access, go from your room in your robe, dip in, float around, wash off and go back to your room. u can get normal pools anywhere, this is a special thing people come from all over the world for...
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: ludmila on December 26, 2017, 08:31:08 PM
yup, and its cleaner and easier to access, go from your room in your robe, dip in, float around, wash off and go back to your room. u can get normal pools anywhere, this is a special thing people come from all over the world for...
Is the CP the only hotel in Ein Bokek, dead sea are bookable by points? Is this hotel ever available by points, I can't find any dates ?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Yitz on December 26, 2017, 09:16:47 PM
Is the CP the only hotel in Ein Bokek, dead sea are bookable by points? Is this hotel ever available by points, I can't find any dates ?
If you have UR points you can find something else.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: davidd75 on December 27, 2017, 08:55:43 AM
Is the CP the only hotel in Ein Bokek, dead sea are bookable by points? Is this hotel ever available by points, I can't find any dates ?

 strange I booked 2 rooms with IHG points for maid Jan approx 3 days ago
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: ludmila on December 28, 2017, 12:15:25 AM
strange I booked 2 rooms with IHG points for maid Jan approx 3 days ago
On the website or by phone? when I checked on the web site I could not find any dates, i'll try again.Thanks.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: davidd75 on December 28, 2017, 09:28:05 AM
On the website or by phone? when I checked on the web site I could not find any dates, i'll try again.Thanks.

website but try calling as well sometimes that works better IME
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: ludmila on December 28, 2017, 10:58:56 PM
website but try calling as well sometimes that works better IME
Thanks, called and booked 3 nights .
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Kabrams1618 on December 28, 2017, 11:12:17 PM
Did you call directly to the hotel or the ihg reservation number
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: davidd75 on December 29, 2017, 08:42:16 AM
Thanks, called and booked 3 nights .

enjoy your stay!
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: ludmila on December 29, 2017, 08:18:33 PM
enjoy your stay!
Thank you.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: ludmila on December 29, 2017, 08:19:44 PM
Did you call directly to the hotel or the ihg reservation number
IHG rservations number.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: hide4 on January 16, 2018, 07:00:29 AM
Are there minyanim at the CP on shabbos?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: shimino1 on January 16, 2018, 09:26:07 AM
Are there minyanim at the CP on shabbos?
Officially the have minyanim three times a day, every day. That being said, it really depends how many frum people are staying there.
You may have an easier time getting a Minyan at the Royal hotel which is about 5-8 minute walk away.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: hide4 on January 16, 2018, 09:40:52 AM
Officially the have minyanim three times a day, every day. That being said, it really depends how many frum people are staying there.
You may have an easier time getting a Minyan at the Royal hotel which is about 5-8 minute walk away.
Thanks. Is it better than the CP Eilat?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: shimino1 on January 16, 2018, 12:10:13 PM
A little better.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: jewdkoff on March 26, 2018, 08:47:04 PM
Hi everyone, I'm trying to decide whether to do the Royal hotel or CO for two days. Royal would be $550 for two twin beds and breakfast. The CP would be about $250 (buying points) assuming I can call and have them open up  points availability. Do you guys know which hotel is more Kosher? I gather both are Rabanut but CP has a mashgiach you can talk to? Also, is the Royal a much nice hotel than the CP? Reviews from the CP scare me.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: yg1836 on July 16, 2018, 11:49:51 AM
Any recommendation for hotel in dead sea? would airbnb be a better option?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: kelev on July 16, 2018, 12:20:42 PM
I stayed in the Ein Gedi kibbutz hotel last February and really liked it. The nearby Ein Gedi park was fantastic as always but the nearby Ein Gedi Spa (and beach) was expensive and horrible - it didn't even have Dead Sea mud!
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: yg1836 on July 16, 2018, 08:06:39 PM
Can you trust the kashrus at isrotel in dead sea?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Yitz on July 16, 2018, 10:08:52 PM
Can you trust the kashrus at isrotel in dead sea?

I stayed in the Crown Plaza. What I did is I asked to speak the mashgiach and asked him based on hecsherim that i prefered what he had. You can call the Hotel and ask to speak to a Mashgiach. They are usually very helpful
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: ludmila on July 16, 2018, 10:29:17 PM
I stayed in the Crown Plaza. What I did is I asked to speak the mashgiach and asked him based on hecsherim that i prefered what he had. You can call the Hotel and ask to speak to a Mashgiach. They are usually very helpful
Did you like the CP Dead Sea? Cons and Pros?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Yitz on July 18, 2018, 08:42:01 AM
Did you like the CP Dead Sea? Cons and Pros?
It was ok, nothing special. I stayed in CP because of points and I had status at the time.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: ludmila on July 18, 2018, 03:05:19 PM
It was ok, nothing special. I stayed in CP because of points and I had status at the time.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: yg1836 on July 19, 2018, 11:08:52 AM
Recommend doing a masada sunrise tour with just you and your spouse? anyone done it before?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: moish on July 20, 2018, 10:27:09 AM
it didn't even have Dead Sea mud!
Most of those beaches including the ones at Ein Bokek and Neve Zohar dont have mud. Only the ones close to Yerushalayim have
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Miracle on August 05, 2018, 08:29:35 AM
Recommend doing a masada sunrise tour with just you and your spouse? anyone done it before?
You do it yourself or with a tour?
Can you do it yourself? If so, where do you go from CP dead sea?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: ludmila on August 05, 2018, 08:21:54 PM
Most of those beaches including the ones at Ein Bokek and Neve Zohar dont have mud. Only the ones close to Yerushalayim have
A beach close to Ein Bokek, public beach with entry fees, can't remember the name , was really nice with a lot of mud .
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: moish on August 10, 2018, 09:06:14 AM
A beach close to Ein Bokek, public beach with entry fees, can't remember the name , was really nice with a lot of mud .
Like mud you can scoop out from the seabed or a bin full of mud that was put there?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: ludmila on August 11, 2018, 12:48:22 AM
Like mud you can scoop out from the seabed or a bin full of mud that was put there?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Luvtotravel on February 06, 2019, 02:21:39 AM
anyone know which hotels offer babysitting services? and are there any mehadrin eateries in dead sea area?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Luvtotravel on February 06, 2019, 01:48:51 PM
does the crowne plaza offer free breakfast? cant seem to find that info
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Yitz on February 06, 2019, 09:51:08 PM
does the crowne plaza offer free breakfast? cant seem to find that info
i booked it on points a few years ago and Breakfast was not included.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: ludmila on February 06, 2019, 10:56:32 PM
i booked it on points a few years ago and Breakfast was not included.
+1 About 15 months ago on points and breakfast was not included.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: shimino1 on February 07, 2019, 04:58:41 AM
I stayed in the Crown Plaza. What I did is I asked to speak the mashgiach and asked him based on hecsherim that i prefered what he had. You can call the Hotel and ask to speak to a Mashgiach. They are usually very helpful
I wouldn't go anywhere near that kitchen.
When I arrived, they were just starting dinner and the mashgiach was nowhere to be seen. I asked the Jewish host who I can ask about Kashrus and he answered: "The Msgiach already left for the day but you can ask Ahmad".
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: shimino1 on February 07, 2019, 04:59:46 AM
does the crowne plaza offer free breakfast? cant seem to find that info
No breakfast and no executive lounge access even if you get upgraded to an Executive room.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Luvtotravel on February 07, 2019, 09:14:15 AM
No breakfast and no executive lounge access even if you get upgraded to an Executive room.
emailed the manager. lets see if thatll do something. i quoted what google has for them as hotel info

Hotel details
Overlooking the Dead Sea, this casual hotel is a 2-minute walk from the nearest bus station and a 6-minute walk from Petra Shopping Center.

Featuring balconies or floor-to-ceiling windows, the airy, modern rooms and suites have flat-screen TVs, free Wi-Fi and safes, plus minibars and tea and coffeemakers. Suites offer kitchenettes, extra bedrooms and/or living rooms with sofas. Room service is available.

Breakfast and parking are free. There’s a low-key restaurant and a chic eatery with sea views. Other amenities include indoor and outdoor pools, 1 with a bar, a gym and a synagogue. A spa offers 2 sulfur pools, a Jacuzzi and beauty treatments.


wild chance but you never know. how much is it to pay for breakfast? and would you know anything about which hotels offer childcare/babysitting services?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: amm543 on February 20, 2019, 03:18:50 PM
What's the manager's email?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Luvtotravel on February 20, 2019, 08:30:06 PM
What's the manager's email?
ds_gmsec@aihsil.com
Didn't help much though
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Luvtotravel on April 11, 2019, 12:52:59 PM
i just realized that cafe cafe, which is generally considered mehadrin, has same certification as crowne plaza. in light of the above posts, does that tell me that cafe cafe is not ok, or crowne plaza is? were cholov yisroel mehadrin glatt... o-u in us
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Traveler718 on June 13, 2019, 02:22:00 PM
On our last visit to EY 3.5 years ago we had a great time at the separate beach at Yam HaMelach (I believe near Herod's?), and thinking of going back tomorrow. Has anything changed since then that we should know about?
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: shimino1 on June 17, 2019, 10:27:04 AM
On our last visit to EY 3.5 years ago we had a great time at the separate beach at Yam HaMelach (I believe near Herod's?), and thinking of going back tomorrow. Has anything changed since then that we should know about?
They opened a new mall called dead sea mall that has a Katzefet and A Cafe Greg. The Katzefet is Chosom Sofer. The Greg has a Beit Yosef and is the most Kosher option in the area.
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Luvtotravel on June 17, 2019, 11:26:06 AM
They opened a new mall called dead sea mall that has a Katzefet and A Cafe Greg. The Katzefet is Chosom Sofer. The Greg has a Beit Yosef and is the most Kosher option in the area.
where is that? I was under impression that cafe cafe was in dead sea mall
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Naftuli19 on June 17, 2019, 11:30:57 AM
On our last visit to EY 3.5 years ago we had a great time at the separate beach at Yam HaMelach (I believe near Herod's?), and thinking of going back tomorrow. Has anything changed since then that we should know about?
the water is still a bit salty there!
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: Traveler718 on June 17, 2019, 03:24:36 PM
Thanks, we had a great time, even without knowing about the mall!
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: shimino1 on June 17, 2019, 05:12:21 PM
where is that? I was under impression that cafe cafe was in dead sea mall
Google/Waze is your friend.
The Cafe Cafe is in the old mall (no clue what the official name is) and is only Rabbanut (mehadrin?).
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: davidmal on June 17, 2019, 05:25:36 PM
Google/Waze is your friend.
The Cafe Cafe is in the old mall (no clue what the official name is) and is only Rabbanut (mehadrin?).
I thought cafe cafe was mehadrin
Title: Re: Dead Sea, Israel, Master Thread
Post by: ywoosh on October 22, 2019, 09:40:28 PM
Anyone know where I can find the private beaches (for a fee) by Dead Sea?