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Title: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: HelpMe on November 14, 2012, 01:13:31 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/israeli-airstrike-kills-hamas-leader/2012/11/14/e69af810-18d0-4021-a627-20df839c5c93_video.html
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Redbull3 on November 14, 2012, 01:19:21 PM
+1
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: HelpMe on November 14, 2012, 01:20:40 PM
+1
Lets hope that number keeps going up!!!
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Yossi. on November 14, 2012, 01:22:12 PM
Hamas' military wing warned that Israelis had opened "the gates of hell on themselves."
Source: http://edition.cnn.com/2012/11/14/world/meast/gaza-israel-strike/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: satturn on November 14, 2012, 01:50:38 PM
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162090#.UKPnvYdX2xg
genius!
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: 972sg212 on November 14, 2012, 02:04:01 PM
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P6U2ZQ0EhN4

IDF Pinpoint Strike on Ahmed Jabari, Head of Hamas Military Wing
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: creditor on November 14, 2012, 02:16:52 PM
they killed the hammas leader !? those militants change leaders like socks. give it a few minutes and there is another 'leader' to kill
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: L'Chaim on November 14, 2012, 02:19:37 PM
[/youtube]

IDF Pinpoint Strike on Ahmed Jabari, Head of Hamas Military Wing

FTFY
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: WhyAich on November 14, 2012, 02:20:51 PM
IDF twitter:

We recommend that no Hamas operatives, whether low level or senior leaders, show their faces above ground in the days ahead.


CLASSIC!
Title: Re: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: creditor on November 14, 2012, 02:41:06 PM
IDF twitter:

We recommend that no Hamas operatives, whether low level or senior leaders, show their faces above ground in the days ahead.


CLASSIC!
C:-)
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: 972sg212 on November 14, 2012, 02:41:29 PM
FTFY
Thank You
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 14, 2012, 02:47:39 PM
FTFY
HOLLY MOLLY!!!!
כן יאבדו על אויביך השם
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: SamDaMan on November 14, 2012, 02:48:59 PM
Waiting for Obama to condemned Israel....
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: mmermss on November 14, 2012, 02:50:13 PM
FTFY

Wow
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: HelpMe on November 14, 2012, 02:50:50 PM
Waiting for Obama to condemned Israel....
Would you care to bet on this?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: HelpMe on November 14, 2012, 02:51:28 PM
they killed the hammas leader !? those militants change leaders like socks. give it a few minutes and there is another 'leader' to kill
We can only hope.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 14, 2012, 02:51:35 PM
Waiting for Obama to condemned Israel....
Well this is clearly a case of excessive force; did you see how high the hood flew?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 14, 2012, 02:55:29 PM
WOW! They made quite a job out of that car...

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Title: Re: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Ergel on November 14, 2012, 02:57:24 PM
Would you care to bet on this?
Odds?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: YankyDoodle on November 14, 2012, 03:00:25 PM
Waiting for Obama to condemned Israel....

I wouldn't imagine he would condemn it, more likely he will call for both sides to refrain from escalating the violence further
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: JEWDA on November 14, 2012, 03:02:11 PM
Egypt recalled its ambassador from Israel
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 14, 2012, 03:03:34 PM
Egypt recalled its ambassador from Israel
Yeah I'm sure his life was in mortal danger of a lynch in the hands of the barbaric Israelis....
Title: Re: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: HelpMe on November 14, 2012, 03:20:19 PM
Odds?
Straight up, no odds.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: JEWDA on November 14, 2012, 03:27:48 PM
Nice!

(http://uploads.static.vosizneias.com/2012/11/tag-reuters-63-725x480.jpg)
Title: Re: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: LeeW on November 14, 2012, 03:41:37 PM
Straight up, no odds.

I'll give you even better odds. There is absolutely know way Obama criticizes Israel for this. Even anti_Isreal factions are having a hard time criticizing Israel over this. This was the MILITARY Chief of Hamas that they killed.
Title: Re: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: HelpMe on November 14, 2012, 03:45:41 PM
I'll give you even better odds.
You quoted the wrong person. I am with you on this one.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: L'Chaim on November 14, 2012, 04:00:23 PM
WARNING: NOT FOR THE FAINT OF HEART!

[/youtube]
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: WhyAich on November 14, 2012, 04:11:49 PM
WARNING: NOT FOR THE FAINT OF HEART!


why?

he's a terrorist and ruthless murderer!

#yesIgetwhyjustmakingapoint
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 14, 2012, 04:13:31 PM


IDF Pinpoint Strike on Ahmed Jabari, Head of Hamas Military Wing

Best comment:
Quote
Now, this is what I call a road kill HAHAHAH!!!!!!
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 14, 2012, 04:17:32 PM
I'll give you even better odds. There is absolutely know way Obama criticizes Israel for this. Even anti_Isreal factions are having a hard time criticizing Israel over this. This was the MILITARY Chief of Hamas that they killed.
Military heads are generally considered off limits, which is why they are phrasing it that way
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Drago on November 14, 2012, 04:19:11 PM
I'll give you even better odds. There is absolutely know way Obama criticizes Israel for this. Even anti_Isreal factions are having a hard time criticizing Israel over this. This was the MILITARY Chief of Hamas that they killed.
Gershon Baskin is annoyed.
And a Meretz MK has condemned it.
And somehow they have gathered a few hundred ppl to protest outside of Barak's house.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Yossi. on November 14, 2012, 04:19:20 PM
WARNING: NOT FOR THE FAINT OF HEART!

[/youtube]

Holly @#$@#%*( I can;t believe I just saw that!
Is he dead? lol
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Drago on November 14, 2012, 04:25:01 PM
@L'Chaim
I've never seen such a raw video like that before. Thanks for posting.

And for those interested.
JPost updates - http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Article.aspx?id=291794
Muqata updates - http://muqata.blogspot.co.il/2012/11/day-1-of-gaza-war-14-nov-2012.html

And the Iron Dome in action. (Gotta love the Israeli commentary): http://youtu.be/WOyNQLGBvL0
Title: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: njmacman on November 14, 2012, 04:26:08 PM
Nebach!
Title: Re: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: rots5 on November 14, 2012, 04:31:19 PM
I'll give you even better odds. There is absolutely know way Obama criticizes Israel for this. Even anti_Isreal factions are having a hard time criticizing Israel over this. This was the MILITARY Chief of Hamas that they killed.

I think he will in the long. Run
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Sammy12345 on November 14, 2012, 04:34:06 PM
Is it true that Obama didn't react to the situation...... They said there was a press conference did anyone hear that?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Yossi. on November 14, 2012, 04:40:14 PM
And the Iron Dome in action. (Gotta love the Israeli commentary): http://youtu.be/WOyNQLGBvL0
10:00 PM: As of this time, the Iron Dome has intercepted 17 rockets fired from Gaza. Hamas continues to try to attack Israeli civilians. (http://www.idfblog.com/2012/11/14/live-updates-idf-terror-targets-gaza/)
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: myb821 on November 14, 2012, 04:45:42 PM
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2012/11/200551.htm
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 14, 2012, 04:53:49 PM
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2012/11/200551.htm
Impressive
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: LeeW on November 14, 2012, 04:57:26 PM
Gershon Baskin is annoyed.
And a Meretz MK has condemned it.
And somehow they have gathered a few hundred ppl to protest outside of Barak's house.

Source?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: HelpMe on November 14, 2012, 05:06:17 PM
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2012/11/200551.htm
Now, GET OFF HIS BACK!!!
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: myb821 on November 14, 2012, 05:14:21 PM
Source?
http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=291881
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: LeeW on November 14, 2012, 06:00:56 PM
http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=291881

The article says about a hundred people not a few hundred like you mentioned. Either way, even a few hundred is not a lot of people to find to demonstrate. There really is no reason anyone should condemn Israel for this. (Other than the usual group of wackos)
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: AsherO on November 14, 2012, 06:04:52 PM
כן יאבדו כל אויביך השם

FTFY
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: AsherO on November 14, 2012, 06:06:51 PM
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2012/11/200551.htm

Why would Obama take this position after he got reelected? Insight/Commentary please?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: LeeW on November 14, 2012, 06:13:09 PM
Why would Obama take this position after he got reelected? Insight/Commentary please?

Because contrary to the popular Orthodox Jewish view of him, Obama is not some anti-AMerica anti- Israel radical. He's a normal rational President, albeit a liberal one. And there is no way to see what is going on in Gaza and not have this response.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: AsherO on November 14, 2012, 06:14:40 PM
Because contrary to the popular Orthodox Jewish view of him, Obama is not some anti-AMerica anti- Israel radical. He's a normal rational President, albeit a liberal one. And there is no way to see what is going on in Gaza and not have this response.

What is going on in Gaza has happened in his first term, and he (or state department) didn't issue such statements.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 14, 2012, 06:44:42 PM
Because contrary to the popular Orthodox Jewish view of him, Obama is not some anti-AMerica anti- Israel radical. He's a normal rational President, albeit a liberal one. And there is no way to see what is going on in Gaza and not have this response.
+1 I've saying this for the past year.

What is going on in Gaza has happened in his first term, and he (or state department) didn't issue such statements.
Well now he doesn't have to worry about alienating the liberals :P
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: WhyAich on November 14, 2012, 07:20:40 PM
Now, GET OFF HIS BACK!!!

our brothers are being tormented, why should we get off anyone's back???????????/
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: DrDanny on November 14, 2012, 08:14:23 PM
I'm pretty sure he was saying to get off Obama's back because he was backing Israel to the fullest
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: JEWDA on November 14, 2012, 09:58:30 PM
Egypt recalled its ambassador from Israel
Now they're saying this is not true :-\
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: WhyAich on November 14, 2012, 10:31:53 PM
I'm pretty sure he was saying to get off Obama's back because he was backing Israel to the fullest
I know what he was saying but I feel it's orally inappropriate.
Our brothers are getting bombarded and were looking for support, it FINALLY comes and then that reaction. A better one would be "FINALLY"
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Dan on November 15, 2012, 12:14:36 AM
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23HamasBumperStickers&src=typd
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: HelpMe on November 15, 2012, 12:34:15 AM
I know what he was saying but I feel it's orally inappropriate.
Our brothers are getting bombarded and were looking for support, it FINALLY comes and then that reaction. A better one would be "FINALLY"
Maybe the US should just stay out of this. Let Israel fight their own wars and we will fight ours. Many of us are tired of seeing our “brothers” coming home in body bags.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: WhyAich on November 15, 2012, 12:34:34 AM
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23HamasBumperStickers&src=typd
awesome!
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: LeeW on November 15, 2012, 12:44:56 AM
Nothing to laugh about. the situation is getting serious in Israel.
Title: Re: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: SamDaMan on November 15, 2012, 03:40:43 AM
Maybe the US should just stay out of this. Let Israel fight their own wars and we will fight ours. Many of us are tired of seeing our “brothers” coming home in body bags.
what are allies for? Allies stick up for each other there are consequences for war ppl die (cv's) but if one allie is in a war the other has to help out.
Title: Re: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: SamDaMan on November 15, 2012, 03:41:44 AM
Waiting for Obama to condemn Israel.... :P
FTFM
Title: Re: Re: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Ergel on November 15, 2012, 03:45:55 AM
what are allies for? Allies stick up for each other there are consequences for war ppl die (cv's) but if one allie is in a war the other has to help out.
why can't you just be grateful?
Title: Re: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: creditor on November 15, 2012, 03:51:18 AM
WARNING: NOT FOR THE FAINT OF HEART!

[/youtube]
you tube won't let me view this clip. is it gone?
EDIT: working now. gross, disgusting, I don't think I've ever seen something so graphic
Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: SamDaMan on November 15, 2012, 04:00:48 AM
why can't you just be grateful?
I am. What's not grateful of what I said?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: creditor on November 15, 2012, 04:04:00 AM
3 Israeli citizens killed by missles.....
Title: Re: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: SamDaMan on November 15, 2012, 04:07:21 AM
WARNING: NOT FOR THE FAINT OF HEART!
wow craze but cool!
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Ergel on November 15, 2012, 04:07:31 AM
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/wap/Item.aspx?type=0&item=162111
BD"E
Title: Re: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: SamDaMan on November 15, 2012, 04:08:22 AM
3 Israeli citizens killed by missles.....
@KolHaolam: UPDATE: 4th person dies; victims are couples. one of them, Chabad Shluchim from New Delhi were in Israel for Yartzeit of the Holzbergs HY'D.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: creditor on November 15, 2012, 04:22:56 AM
wow craze but cool!
looks like the guy in the video is not the hammas leader, I just saw another clip of the funeral where his face is shown.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: ChAiM'l on November 15, 2012, 04:29:02 AM
looks like the guy in the video is not the hammas leader, I just saw another clip of the funeral where his face is shown.

I guess they pulled out the other half later...
Title: Re: Re: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: L'Chaim on November 15, 2012, 05:17:54 AM
looks like the guy in the video is not the hammas leader, I just saw another clip of the funeral where his face is shown.

Link?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Jkhein on November 15, 2012, 06:52:00 AM
Maybe the US should just stay out of this. Let Israel fight their own wars and we will fight ours. Many of us are tired of seeing our “brothers” coming home in body bags.
agree, but its irrelevant here. nobody will be coming home in Body bags here, they are not "fighting" our war here, its all about statements.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Jkhein on November 15, 2012, 06:58:39 AM
@KolHaolam: UPDATE: 4th person dies;
nobody else is reporting that, so hopefully its not true.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 15, 2012, 08:25:48 AM
Nothing to laugh about. the situation is getting serious in Israel.
IMO Humor is the best tool to help us get through hard times.
כל ליצנותא אסירא בר מליצנותא דע"ז
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: sky121 on November 15, 2012, 08:33:52 AM
IMO Humor is the best tool to help us get through hard times.
כל ליצנותא אסירא בר מליצנותא דע"ז

+1 It can def help. But understandably some might not appreciate it.

Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 15, 2012, 08:42:17 AM
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23HamasBumperStickers&src=typd
http://twitchy.com/2012/11/15/supporters-of-israel-mock-jihadists-with-hamasbumperstickers-libs-outraged/
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: dirah on November 15, 2012, 08:56:38 AM
Why would Obama take this position after he got reelected? Insight/Commentary please?
This way, in case this situation progresses further, and the State Department condemns Israel with their "disproportionate force" mantra, (following the lead of the UN and EU,) the State Department can still claim that they are being fair and even-handed, proof positive being their initial response to the situation.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 15, 2012, 09:01:46 AM
This way, in case this situation progresses further, and the State Department condemns Israel with their "disproportionate force" mantra, (following the lead of the UN and EU,) the State Department can still claim that they are being fair and even-handed, proof positive being their initial response to the situation.
Gosh why does everything have to be twisted?
אויב מען קען טראכטן קרום פארוואס זאל מען טראכטן גלייך?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: meshugener on November 15, 2012, 09:02:13 AM
Do we anticipate a land invasion?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: dirah on November 15, 2012, 09:04:20 AM
Gosh why does everything have to be twisted?
אויב מען קען טראכטן קרום פארוואס זאל מען טראכטן גלייך?
You've described diplomacy very nicely.
Now, let's wait and see.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: tuvz on November 15, 2012, 09:04:31 AM
You reckon he had auto insurance?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 15, 2012, 09:08:59 AM
You reckon he had life insurance?
FTFY
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 15, 2012, 09:13:05 AM
Do we anticipate a land invasion?
of the US?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Jkhein on November 15, 2012, 09:17:05 AM
You reckon he had auto insurance?
was just a KIA...
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: lfas25 on November 15, 2012, 09:17:54 AM
You reckon he had auto insurance?

Ya think this is the big issue he's having now? lol

You reckon he had auto insurance?
FTFY

He had a policy until the Israelis ended it! (It was stay hidden from the Israelis!)
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 15, 2012, 09:28:12 AM
Do we anticipate a land invasion?
I anticipate that what will happen will be what always happens: The Israelis do a half job then get scared by the worlds' reaction and back out midway. The end result being that the Israelis wont have accomplished what they wanted, the world will condemn Israel anyways and in a few years we start the cycle all over again.
מה שהיה הוא שיהיה
Title: Re: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: HelpMe on November 15, 2012, 09:35:12 AM
what are allies for? Allies stick up for each other there are consequences for war ppl die (cv's) but if one allie is in a war the other has to help out.
You missed the point I was making.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: L'Chaim on November 15, 2012, 10:00:39 AM
Quote from: Achas Veachas link=topic=21990.msg339666 #msg339666 date=1352989692
I anticipate that what will happen will be what always happens: The Israelis do a half job then get scared by the worlds' reaction and back out midway. The end result being that the Israelis wont have accomplished what they wanted, the world will condemn Israel anyways and in a few years we start the cycle all over again.
מה שהיה הוא שיהיה

Let's hope that this time the world will see with open eyes and won't condemn Israel for once.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 15, 2012, 10:10:43 AM
Let's hope that this time the world will see with open eyes and won't condemn Israel for once.
This attack has had a more pro-Israel response than I can ever remember
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: JEWDA on November 15, 2012, 10:11:36 AM
This attack has had a more pro-Israel response than I can ever remember
So far. But if the Israelis continue their agenda...
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: HelpMe on November 15, 2012, 10:13:19 AM
So far. But if the Israelis continue their agenda...
Targeting Hamas leaders? I don’t think that will be a problem.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: JEWDA on November 15, 2012, 10:17:18 AM
Targeting Hamas leaders? I don’t think that will be a problem.
No but once they go on ground into gaza the world will go crazy because they think Israelis don't care about the civilians there.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: HelpMe on November 15, 2012, 10:19:46 AM
I am surprised no one brought up the possible of a deal between Israel and the US to hold off strikes to after the elections.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: HelpMe on November 15, 2012, 10:20:49 AM
No but once they go on ground into gaza the world will go crazy because they think Israelis don't care about the civilians there.
It depends on how many civilians get killed.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 15, 2012, 10:21:20 AM
I am surprised no one brought up the possible of a deal between Israel and the US to hold off strikes to after the elections.
Yeah was thinking this would have been way more fun before the elections....
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 15, 2012, 10:22:32 AM
I am surprised no one brought up the possible of a deal between Israel and the US to hold off strikes to after the elections.
The rockets increased after the elections, so it would have had to have been a deal between the US and Hamas
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: HelpMe on November 15, 2012, 10:25:22 AM
The rockets increased after the elections, so it would have had to have been a deal between the US and Hamas
That makes more sense. Why didn't I think of that?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: myb821 on November 15, 2012, 10:25:51 AM
That makes more sense. Why didn't I think of that?
sarcasm?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 15, 2012, 10:26:13 AM
That makes more sense. Why didn't I think of that?
Yup especially since this would have boon good for "R"s cause rather then the big "O"
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: HelpMe on November 15, 2012, 10:30:06 AM
sarcasm?
...or anti-semite?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 15, 2012, 10:50:57 AM
This attack has had a more pro-Israel response than I can ever remember
We can't count on that continuing, just wait until the first mosque gets a dent in its dome and the worlds' support is gone...
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: myb821 on November 15, 2012, 10:52:04 AM
We can't count on that continuing, just wait until the first mosque gets a dent in its dome and the worlds' support is gone...
lets not hypothesize right now all we should be doing is hoping and praying all of our brothers and sisters both civilians and soldiers stay safe
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 15, 2012, 10:52:14 AM
...or anti-semite?
Well if the attacks were consistent, and Israel finally decided enough is enough, I would think it would be a valid assumption. I'm sure Israel knew that O was winning, so they may as well earn some brownie points. Especially if they were guaranteed no condemnation.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Ergel on November 15, 2012, 11:05:57 AM
Or Hamas held off the escalation so as not to hurt Obama's chances, without an segment
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Dan on November 15, 2012, 11:20:20 AM
Sad stuff
http://www.collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=22663&alias=killed-on-mumbai-anniversary
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Side incomer on November 15, 2012, 11:50:44 AM
Sad stuff
http://www.collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=22663&alias=killed-on-mumbai-anniversary
Very Sad!! HY"D
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 15, 2012, 11:56:11 AM
Sad stuff
http://www.collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=22663&alias=killed-on-mumbai-anniversary
נסתרים דרכי השם
Who can comprehend that?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: L'Chaim on November 15, 2012, 12:04:29 PM
Rocket strikes Tel Aviv
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 15, 2012, 12:05:52 PM
Rocket strikes near Tel Aviv
FTFY (AFAIK)

Rishon Letsiyon
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 15, 2012, 12:08:36 PM
FTFY (AFAIK)

Rishon Letsiyon
WOW! I guess we were warned of that...
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 15, 2012, 12:13:29 PM
FTFY (AFAIK)
It appears there may have been one in TA. First rocket attack at TA since 1991
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: myb821 on November 15, 2012, 12:14:49 PM
It appears there may have been one in TA. First rocket attack at TA since 1991
from idf spokesperson on twitter
Quote
A few minutes ago, sirens in Tel Aviv sent residents running for shelter. We can confirm that no rockets struck in the area.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 15, 2012, 12:15:24 PM
Missles on Tel Aviv is a completely different story.

Hashem yerachem.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 15, 2012, 12:16:04 PM
First rocket attack at TA since 1991
If you can call a scud a rocket ???
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 15, 2012, 12:34:09 PM
BTW If they can hit Rishon Letzion then Ben Gurion is only a stones throw away...
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: daganster on November 15, 2012, 12:37:29 PM
BTW If they can hit Rishon Letzion then Ben Gurion is only a stones throw away...
They've had the capability long ago....
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: WhyAich on November 15, 2012, 12:42:50 PM
Maybe the US should just stay out of this. Let Israel fight their own wars and we will fight ours. Many of us are tired of seeing our “brothers” coming home in body bags.
100% agree with the concept, America should not dictate israel what to do, howver as an ally they should be backing Israel as Israel would to america if needed
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: mmermss on November 15, 2012, 12:46:48 PM
BTW If they can hit Rishon Letzion then Ben Gurion is only a stones throw away...
What are the chances Ben Gurion will shut down?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 15, 2012, 12:47:32 PM
What are the chances Ben Gurion will shut down?
IMHO 99%.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: how on November 15, 2012, 12:48:22 PM
from idf spokesperson on twitter
Keep in mind that the idf will not confirm a hit that will let hamas know that they did in fact hit their intended target
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: how on November 15, 2012, 12:51:24 PM
IMHO 99%.
make that 99% chance that they will not close it.

That will be a huge propaganda victory for hamas if they shut BG
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 15, 2012, 12:54:06 PM
make that 99% chance that they will not close it.

That will be a huge propaganda victory for hamas if they shut BG
Foreign carriers will not fly into an airport with missiles flying around it. I'm sure already today crews aren't allowed to overnight in Israel and one or two more hits on TA all foreign flights will stop immediately.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: how on November 15, 2012, 12:58:18 PM
Foreign carriers will not fly into an airport with missiles flying around it. I'm sure already today crews aren't allowed to overnight in Israel and one or two more hits on TA all foreign flights will stop immediately.
Israel will keep it open regardless of who foreign airlines. So yes there might be some cancellations but unless they score a direct hit the airport will act like business as usual

Right after the siren sounded in tel aviv the IDF issued a statement to continue life as normal.........
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: creditor on November 15, 2012, 01:04:47 PM
Walla quotes an the idf spokesman saying that although explosions heard in TA still there was no missle falling on ground ??? so Israeli...
Title: Re: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: elikay on November 15, 2012, 01:09:48 PM
Walla quotes an the idf spokesman saying that although explosions heard in TA still there was no missle falling on ground ??? so Israeli...

What's so hard to understand? Rishon is extreml close to tel Aviv so you can hear the explosions plus iron dome..
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Ergel on November 15, 2012, 01:13:58 PM
Voice of Israel public radio said that the rocket is believed to have struck in a southern suburb of Tel Aviv, but Home Front Defense Minister Avi Dichter said that the rocket apparently fell into the sea near Bat Yam.
Title: Re: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: how on November 15, 2012, 01:16:13 PM
What's so hard to understand? Rishon is extreml close to tel Aviv so you can hear the explosions plus iron dome..
???and which Iron dome is located in TLV???

If you can hear something from 20 KLM away then you have must have awesome hearing........
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: WhyAich on November 15, 2012, 01:23:23 PM
obviously IDF is trying to play it down...
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Drago on November 15, 2012, 01:35:21 PM
This attack has had a more pro-Israel response than I can ever remember
That's the way it usually is for the first 24 hrs.
Then the pressure begins.
If they really want to do a ground operation, they may be starting too late...

I was in Tel Aviv today for a meeting, and must have left around an hour b/f the sirens began.
There were also longer security lines at the Azrieli mall and the central bus station in Yerushalayim
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Drago on November 15, 2012, 01:38:44 PM
I am surprised no one brought up the possible of a deal between Israel and the US to hold off strikes to after the elections.
This caused Israel to speed up their gaza offensive in 2008 b/f BO took office.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 15, 2012, 01:41:54 PM
obviously IDF is trying to play it down...
True but you have to remember that in the bottom line these rockets are pretty primitive, and to aim over such large distances is extremely difficult, the best they can hope for is to aim somewhere towards the Mercaz and hope it lands somewhere meaningfull.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Yordai Dooma on November 15, 2012, 01:47:59 PM
Some pretty scary pictures: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/the-pictures-coming-out-of-israel-are-chilling-see-our-collection-showing-the-aftermath/
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Drago on November 15, 2012, 01:53:52 PM
True but you have to remember that in the bottom line these rockets are pretty primitive, and to aim over such large distances is extremely difficult, the best they can hope for is to aim somewhere towards the Mercaz and hope it lands somewhere meaningfull.
Their rockets are improving all the time. These are new FAJRs w/ 75km range.
And when you shoot at the mercaz, it's hard to miss s/t important since it's so stuffed there.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Drago on November 15, 2012, 02:04:12 PM
S/t Israel and Hamas agree on.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4306127,00.html

And can s/o explain why we're still supplying electricity and water?? They can beg for it from Egypt if they want it.
This picture says it all.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/static/Resizer.ashx/news/250/168/382234.jpg
(They hang up a metal sheet to protect a worker fixing electricity lines.)
Title: Re: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Galitzyaner on November 15, 2012, 02:11:24 PM
Missles on Tel Aviv is a completely different story.

Hashem yerachem.
Now this is a game changer.  No doubt now there's going to be a ground incursion.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: AsherO on November 15, 2012, 02:29:34 PM
Now this is a game changer.  No doubt now there's going to be a ground incursion.

Hopefully sooner rather than later. And maybe use the distraction to hit Iran too...
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: rots5 on November 15, 2012, 02:30:30 PM
Hopefully sooner rather than later. And maybe use the distraction to hit Iran too...

I hope its not god forbid the opp now an opportunity for Iran
Title: Re: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Ergel on November 15, 2012, 02:30:32 PM
Hopefully sooner rather than later. And maybe use the distraction to hit Iran too...
I've been wondering about this for the last day
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: JEWDA on November 15, 2012, 02:30:40 PM
Hopefully sooner rather than later. And maybe use the distraction to hit Iran too...
From what it sounds like tonight will be a big hit in Gaza.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: kracked dude on November 15, 2012, 02:31:26 PM
Same old trick of faking injuries for the BBC Cameras http://www.israelnationalnews.com/wap/Item.aspx?type=0&item=162130#.UKU4n0bCz8B (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/wap/Item.aspx?type=0&item=162130#.UKU4n0bCz8B)
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: JEWDA on November 15, 2012, 02:32:52 PM
In London there's huge protest now.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: AsherO on November 15, 2012, 02:37:19 PM
I hope its not god forbid the opp now an opportunity for Iran

Iran is supprting these terrorists, they don't have a nuke to use (hyl"s) FWIU.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Galitzyaner on November 15, 2012, 02:49:47 PM
YeshivaWorldNews: "Hagon Rav Kanievsky to Those Who Ask ‘What to Do?’ –Come to Bnei Brak!"  (http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/article.php?p=145320)

???  And if the rockets would ch"v hit Bnei Brak?

More from the horrendous article:

"HaGaon HaRav Gershon Edelstein Shlita called for “strengthening limud Torah” in light of the situation. The rosh yeshiva added “this is the one thing that protects the IDF”.

“As we saw in the Gulf War when over 40 rockets were fired and there were almost no injuries, only to persons who were mechalel shabbos , this was all in the merit of limud Torah.”

(YWN –Israel Desk, Jerusalem)"

:o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: WhyAich on November 15, 2012, 02:53:05 PM
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162130#.UKVH5Id9JiO

Gazan's Faking injuries!
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: HelpMe on November 15, 2012, 03:12:12 PM
100% agree with the concept, America should not dictate israel what to do, howver as an ally they should be backing Israel as Israel would to america if needed
Somebody want their cake and eat to?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: elikay on November 15, 2012, 03:19:37 PM
YeshivaWorldNews: "Hagon Rav Kanievsky to Those Who Ask ‘What to Do?’ –Come to Bnei Brak!"  (http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/article.php?p=145320)

???  And if the rockets would ch"v hit Bnei Brak?

More from the horrendous article:

"HaGaon HaRav Gershon Edelstein Shlita called for “strengthening limud Torah” in light of the situation. The rosh yeshiva added “this is the one thing that protects the IDF”.

“As we saw in the Gulf War when over 40 rockets were fired and there were almost no injuries, only to persons who were mechalel shabbos , this was all in the merit of limud Torah.”

(YWN –Israel Desk, Jerusalem)"

:o :o :o :o :o :o :o

Stunned, no words.


 ::)
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 15, 2012, 03:31:54 PM
???and which Iron dome is located in TLV???

its a truck. They can drive it anyhwere
S/t Israel and Hamas agree on.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4306127,00.html

And can s/o explain why we're still supplying electricity and water?? They can beg for it from Egypt if they want it.
This picture says it all.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/static/Resizer.ashx/news/250/168/382234.jpg
(They hang up a metal sheet to protect a worker fixing electricity lines.)

that way they can shut it off when they start making problems
Title: Re: Re: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: SamDaMan on November 15, 2012, 03:31:58 PM
You missed the point I was making.
care too share? I'm not saying USA should get involved I'm saying that if the situation gets worse for Israel and they need help USA shouldn't hesitate for a min and send help. But for now they are doing what's right by condemning hamas and backing Israel and letting israel do what they have to. Kol hakavod USA.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: YankyDoodle on November 15, 2012, 04:19:10 PM
If airlines stop flying into BG it would help rally most sensible ppl to back an Israeli excursion of stronger magnitude (most everyone would agre that an airport under atack is unacceptable)
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: bubkiz on November 15, 2012, 04:21:11 PM
If airlines stop flying into BG it would help rally most sensible ppl to back an Israeli excursion of stronger magnitude (most everyone would agre that an airport under atack is unacceptable)
Will kill Israeli economy.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: jj1000 on November 15, 2012, 04:22:42 PM
Will kill Israeli economy.
The Goverment would pay alot more than a few bucks for global support. Not saying this would cause global support but if it did...
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: L'Chaim on November 15, 2012, 04:35:02 PM
Pallywood at its best!

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Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: YankyDoodle on November 15, 2012, 04:39:27 PM
Will kill Israeli economy.

As JJ1000 said, Israel has much bigger issues right now than the economy. In fact, if it were estalished that Hamas could effectively hit BG at will, it would give Israel "legitamacy" to attack any time. (Ppl assume it is only some radical settlers who are in harms way, this could be a gamechanger)
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: MosheD on November 15, 2012, 04:49:45 PM
Can't confirm its related but I just saw a whole bunch of Arab villages power go out...???
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 15, 2012, 04:50:44 PM
Pallywood at its best!

This clip bugged me, who said the second clip was filmed after the first? its just a mashup of videobytes.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 15, 2012, 04:51:14 PM
Can't confirm its related but I just saw a whole bunch of Arab villages power go out...???
Where you posting from?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Dan on November 15, 2012, 04:54:53 PM
UA has no immediate plans to divert or pause TLV flights but keeping an eye out.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Jkhein on November 15, 2012, 05:05:16 PM
This clip bugged me, who said the second clip was filmed after the first? its just a mashup of videobytes.
interesting, I was thinking the same.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: danR on November 15, 2012, 05:09:30 PM
I have tickets to go to Israel on 11/20 which was on the 'glitch' fare, they told me i can cancel and get full refund but would not be able to postpone or change date of flights.

Would you go with you family to Israel now?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Mocha on November 15, 2012, 05:18:36 PM
I have tickets to go to Israel on 11/20 which was on the 'glitch' fare, they told me i can cancel and get full refund but would not be able to postpone or change date of flights.

Would you go with you family to Israel now?
i would and I am  :)

11pm flight?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: MosheD on November 15, 2012, 05:21:53 PM

Reporting live from Neve Yaakov :D
Title: Re: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: sky121 on November 15, 2012, 05:23:49 PM
I have tickets to go to Israel on 11/20 which was on the 'glitch' fare, they told me i can cancel and get full refund but would not be able to postpone or change date of flights.

Would you go with you family to Israel now?

At the present moment I would.  My family is there and part of me would feel safer with them.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Mocha on November 15, 2012, 05:29:05 PM
Reporting live from Neve Yaakov :D
Bais?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: danR on November 15, 2012, 05:31:04 PM
i would and I am  :)

11pm flight?

Leaving EWR at 1:15pm
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Yordai Dooma on November 15, 2012, 05:33:11 PM
Reporting live from Neve Yaakov :D

Bais is the place, huh? ;)
Title: Re: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Galitzyaner on November 15, 2012, 05:33:55 PM
Can't confirm its related but I just saw a whole bunch of Arab villages power go out...???
Yes, YWN reports that a generator was struck by idf;

 UPDATE 12:01AM IL: It appears the IAF struck a generator that supplies electricity for the Beit Haniyeh area of Gaza.
UPDATE 12:00AM IL: IAF strikes a building used by terrorist in Dir el-Balah in Central Gaza.
 UPDATE 12:00AM IL: Gaza sources report the IAF is striking hard in many areas, including a targeted strike near the southern entrance of Beit Hanoun, in northern Gaza. At least two people were eliminated and others injured. Rumors point to the elimination of yet another senior Hamas official.
UPDATE 12:00AM IL: Sources in Gaza now reporting 3 dead and close to 20 injured in IAF strike in the Beit Hanoun area.
 UPDATE 12:00AM IL: All schools in the 40km (24 miles) range from the Gaza border will remain closed on erev shabbos. All residents in the 7km (4.2 mile) range from Gaza are instructed t remain at home.
UPDATE 12:00AM IL: IAF destroys rocket-firing location in the el-Bourij area of northern Gaza.
UPDATE 12:00AM IL: IAF knocks out electric transformer resulting in power outages in Gaza.
UPDATE 12:00AM IL: Gaza sources report another IAF strike in Beit Lahiya. No additional information is available at this time.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: lfas25 on November 15, 2012, 05:36:10 PM
Reporting live from Neve Yaakov :D

On top or bottom (of the hill)?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: L'Chaim on November 15, 2012, 05:37:16 PM
12 rockets intercepted by Be'er Sheva

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Title: Re: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: MosheD on November 15, 2012, 05:41:26 PM
On top or bottom (of the hill)?
In pic to the right is pisgat zev in middle is usually some village (pic taken from 3rd floor Bais)
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: HelpMe on November 15, 2012, 05:49:45 PM
Would you go with you family to Israel now?
Yes but I would not bring my family.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: moish on November 15, 2012, 07:35:05 PM

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Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: jj1000 on November 15, 2012, 07:46:18 PM
&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

either stupedest people ever or had a whole day to fake it...

Eta- the comments on the video are really dumb.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: dvol on November 15, 2012, 08:05:47 PM
 An email I got from elal (travel agent)
In light of the current situation in Israel, a full refund without penalty will be given to anyone who was supposed to travel to or from Israel in the next 2 weeks (on or before November 29, 2012) and want to cancel their trip. (This applies to tickets issued on or before November 14th.)
 
For passengers wanting to change their return ticket (either to or from Israel) and travel on or before November 29, 2012, there will be no change penalty.
 
EL AL passengers who did not begin their travel plans and want to postpone their flight until after November 29, 2012 will receive credit for the value of their ticket toward the purchase of a new ticket. There will be no change or service fees for changes if the new travel dates are within 6 months of their original departure date.
 
Our hearts and prayers are with the citizens of Israel.
 
Thank you,
The North America Team
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: SamDaMan on November 15, 2012, 08:22:37 PM
@KolHaolam: NEW YORK: 20 volunteers of NY Hatzolah HEART team flying to Israel ready to treat emergencies, in case MDA members get drafted to army.

Wow Kol hakavod.
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Post by: 972sg212 on November 15, 2012, 08:27:02 PM
In pic to the right is pisgat zev in middle is usually some village (pic taken from 3rd floor Bais)

Nice Pic
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: SamDaMan on November 15, 2012, 10:49:34 PM
Don't get me wrong I'm very grateful... Seems like the last few hours we're pretty quiet b'h
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 16, 2012, 08:36:45 AM
I wonder if they're gonna sound the air raid siren in a half hour
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: damaxer91 on November 16, 2012, 09:28:44 AM
@KolHaolam: NEW YORK: 20 volunteers of NY Hatzolah HEART team flying to Israel ready to treat emergencies, in case MDA members get drafted to army.

Wow Kol hakavod.

Seriously? I know that I am going to get attacked for this, but aren't there enough Hatzolah members in Israel? Doesn't seem like many of them go to the Army

A lot less glory would be involved, but why not go to their own backyard (Seagate or Far Rockaway) and pick up a shovel...
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: damaxer91 on November 16, 2012, 09:29:02 AM
I wonder if they're gonna sound the air raid siren in a half hour
:)
Title: Re: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: SamDaMan on November 16, 2012, 09:48:34 AM
Seriously? I know that I am going to get attacked for this, but aren't there enough Hatzolah members in Israel? Doesn't seem like many of them go to the Army

A lot less glory would be involved, but why not go to their own backyard (Seagate or Far Rockaway) and pick up a shovel...
firstly, many of these Hatzolah members have been in seagate since the storm day in and day out. U have no right to say anything like that. Secondly, why say your comment if I know ur going to get attacked... Usually means that you know your wrong...  Thirdly, first part of comment is #unreplyable
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Mocha on November 16, 2012, 10:12:11 AM
Breaking news: Sirens heard in Jerusalem
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Post by: meshugener on November 16, 2012, 10:13:33 AM
That's bad.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Mocha on November 16, 2012, 10:14:24 AM
Confirmed: A long-range rocket fired from Gaza struck outside Jerusalem
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Post by: Galitzyaner on November 16, 2012, 10:28:14 AM
Seriously? I know that I am going to get attacked for this, but aren't there enough Hatzolah members in Israel? Doesn't seem like many of them go to the Army

A lot less glory would be involved, but why not go to their own backyard (Seagate or Far Rockaway) and pick up a shovel...
+1
firstly, many of these Hatzolah members have been in seagate since the storm day in and day out.
+1
Secondly, why say your comment if I know ur going to get attacked... Usually means that you know your wrong...  Thirdly, first part of comment is #unreplyable
-1
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: jj1000 on November 16, 2012, 10:45:32 AM
Confirmed: A long-range rocket fired from Gaza struck outside Jerusalem
Yup, http://news.sky.com/story/1012190/jerusalem-hamas-claims-rocket-attack

Its really amazing how much international support Israel is getting.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: SamDaMan on November 16, 2012, 11:30:23 AM
+1 +1 -1
#achasvachas... ::)
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 16, 2012, 11:31:07 AM
#achasvachas... ::)
No relation ::)
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: jj1000 on November 16, 2012, 11:38:21 AM
So will a ground invasion be a good thing?
Title: Re: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: SamDaMan on November 16, 2012, 11:43:28 AM
So will a ground invasion be a good thing?
only time will tell
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Post by: myb821 on November 16, 2012, 11:44:01 AM
only time will tell
+1
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: HelpMe on November 16, 2012, 11:44:25 AM
Its really amazing how much international support Israel is getting.
Who cares? There comes a point where the rest of the world does not matter. Do you think the US would care about the rest of the world if Cuba was launching missiles at the US?
Title: Re: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Ergel on November 16, 2012, 11:47:00 AM
So will a ground invasion be a good thing?
Dunno but at this point I think it's a forgone conclusion
Title: Re: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Ergel on November 16, 2012, 11:47:57 AM
Who cares? There comes a point where the rest of the world does not matter. Do you think the US would care about the rest of the world if Cuba was launching missiles at the US?
You're right. The only problem is Israel's reliance on USA for military aid
Title: Re: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: HelpMe on November 16, 2012, 11:57:09 AM
You're right. The only problem is Israel's reliance on USA for military aid
You are selling the US short and that seems to happen a lot here.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Ergel on November 16, 2012, 12:00:48 PM
You are selling the US short and that seems to happen a lot here.
I happen to agree with you in general, but I'm not convinced the us would stand on an island with Israel
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: jj1000 on November 16, 2012, 12:03:21 PM
Who cares? There comes a point where the rest of the world does not matter. Do you think the US would care about the rest of the world if Cuba was launching missiles at the US?
A huge -1 Abbas is going in front of the UN general Assembly asking for full recognition in 10 days. If Israel messes up here this could give the PA the push it needs to become recognized. Also noteworthy then reason he got shot down last year was it had to go through the security council where the US has Veto power, they don't in the general assembly fwiu
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Side incomer on November 16, 2012, 12:04:28 PM
Who cares? There comes a point where the rest of the world does not matter. Do you think the US would care about the rest of the world if Cuba was launching missiles at the US?

I think Ron Paul would gladly accept you into his staff  :P
Title: Re: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Ergel on November 16, 2012, 12:06:24 PM
A huge -1 Abbas is going in front of the UN general Assembly asking for full recognition in 10 days. If Israel messes up here this could give the PA the push it needs to become recognized. Also noteworthy then reason he got shot down last year was it had to go through the security council where the US has Veto power, they don't in the general assembly fwiu
It's a forgone conclusion that the PA will be granted observer status. Very little can happen now to change that
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: HelpMe on November 16, 2012, 12:08:54 PM
UN, that toothless mouth peace. Israel needs to crush Hamas, plain and simple.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: myb821 on November 16, 2012, 12:10:29 PM
UN, that toothless mouth peace. Israel needs to crush Hamas, plain and simple.
+∞
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: jj1000 on November 16, 2012, 12:11:37 PM
UN, that toothless mouth peace. Israel needs to crush Hamas, plain and simple.
Amen to that.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Ergel on November 16, 2012, 12:13:55 PM
Here's the real question. What if that means killing fifty thousand people, including twenty thousand civilians. Morally is that ok? Politically? Would that lead to an attack from some Arab powers? Western?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: jj1000 on November 16, 2012, 12:16:47 PM
Here's the real question. What if that means killing fifty thousand people, including twenty thousand civilians. Morally is that ok? Politically? Would that lead to an attack from some Arab powers? Western?
I'd rather not state my opinion on the internet. ;)
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: HelpMe on November 16, 2012, 12:18:49 PM
Here's the real question. What if that means killing fifty thousand people, including twenty thousand civilians. Morally is that ok? Politically? Would that lead to an attack from some Arab powers? Western?
What Arab powers, Iran? If that happen it would be a quick war and there would no doubt were the US stands.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: meshugener on November 16, 2012, 12:33:14 PM
Egypt
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: mclovin on November 16, 2012, 12:34:22 PM
Here's the real question. What if that means killing fifty thousand people, including twenty thousand civilians. Morally is that ok? Politically? Would that lead to an attack from some Arab powers? Western?
there are 20k innocent civilians there?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: jj1000 on November 16, 2012, 12:40:02 PM
there are 20k innocent civilians there?
OUCH!
Title: Re: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Galitzyaner on November 16, 2012, 12:42:21 PM
Confirmed: A long-range rocket fired from Gaza struck outside Jerusalem
It landed in Gush Etzion, shame it didn't hit any of the rocket-launchers' brothers, there are lots of them there.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Galitzyaner on November 16, 2012, 12:51:52 PM
#achasvachas... ::)
???
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 16, 2012, 01:26:09 PM
It landed in Gush Etzion, shame it didn't hit any of the rocket-launchers' brothers, there are lots of them there.
As I said....

True but you have to remember that in the bottom line these rockets are pretty primitive, and to aim over such large distances is extremely difficult, the best they can hope for is to aim somewhere towards the Mercaz and hope it lands somewhere meaningfull.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: meshugener on November 16, 2012, 01:38:29 PM
@KolHaolam: ISRAEL: Israel closes main roads around Gaza & declares them a military zone, this may be a sign of getting ready for ground assault.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Mocha on November 16, 2012, 01:42:30 PM
Obviously they know what they're doing but i don't understand how a ground offensive will be so successful. (Im a fan of airstrikes..much safer. which by the way I believe the US should have done in Iraq)
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: JEWDA on November 16, 2012, 01:47:14 PM
Obviously they know what they're doing but i don't understand how a ground offensive will be so successful. (Im a fan of airstrikes..much safer. which by the way I believe the US should have done in Iraq)
My guess is that if they want to target certain people and not civilians it's better on ground.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: meshugener on November 16, 2012, 01:59:41 PM
Here you go:
@KolHaolam: ISRAEL: Ahmed Abu Jalal, a senior Hamas terrorist, was just assassinated in an air strike over Gaza, reports @YaakovLappin.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 16, 2012, 04:04:45 PM
Awesome idea; next time a rocket is headed towards J-M (which will probably land in an empty field anyway) the Israelis should blow up the dome of the rock and pretend it landed there :)) ;D  A bit childish I know but fun.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: rots5 on November 17, 2012, 10:41:09 AM
So i was davening mincha when i heard the siren.   Didnt think much but five seconds later someone in the shul said run and with in. Seconds the shul was empty and everyone in thier miklat's.   also later after the meal at 1030 i was walking home and we saw 3 buses with ppl getting onto them. They were the reserves being called up. Pls everyone should daven for their safety!! I saw regular yeshiva isrealis saying goodbye to there wives and they were in middle of there meals and so on. Of course as a kiddush HASHEM everyone clapped and waved to them as the buses drove off


I have no idea where it hit can someone pls show much as to which newspaper will have up to date news.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 17, 2012, 11:19:18 AM
I saw online that an additional 75,000 reserves were called up over shabbos
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Jkhein on November 17, 2012, 11:20:26 AM
I wonder if they're gonna sound the air raid siren in a half hour
little did you know...
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 17, 2012, 12:09:33 PM
little did you know...
:(
I know. I was in middle of discussing this with my brother when it went off. It was this in real life.

Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: how on November 17, 2012, 01:17:10 PM
Interesting that the 2 rockets that landed in Gush Etsyon area hit Arab villages. I guess Hamas has good aim! 8)
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Jkhein on November 17, 2012, 01:22:11 PM
Interesting that the 2 rockets that landed in Gush Etsyon area hit Arab villages. I guess Hamas has good aim! 8)
source?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: how on November 17, 2012, 01:27:43 PM
Radio Kol Chai
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: sawlw on November 17, 2012, 02:18:53 PM
Anyone know how much time we in Jerusalem have from when the siren blares till impact??
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: rots5 on November 17, 2012, 02:23:30 PM
Anyone know how much time we in Jerusalem have from when the siren blares till impact??

my shul said 90 seconds and ten minutes after siren stops u can leave

this is very interesting (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/11/16/despite-terror-rocket-attacks-on-israel-abc-cbs-nbc-wont-call-attackers/)
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: how on November 17, 2012, 02:29:57 PM
Jerusalem and TLV you have 90 seconds
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: how on November 17, 2012, 02:32:36 PM
http://www.oref.org.il/1096-he/Pakar.aspx (http://www.oref.org.il/1096-he/Pakar.aspx)
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: L'Chaim on November 17, 2012, 02:56:54 PM
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-GA7-9hrRxOY/UKfnsrhfJQI/AAAAAAAAAJA/xVV1KXwFmwE/s1600/timing.jpg)
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 17, 2012, 03:45:57 PM
Press Gaggle by White House Press Secretary Jay Carney en route New York, NY, 11/15/2012 (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/11/15/press-gaggle-press-secretary-jay-carney-en-route-new-york-ny-11152012)

Q    Jay, violence is escalating in Israel and Gaza.  I know the President had a phone call last night, but what else is the President doing to prevent this from escalating into a full-out war?

MR. CARNEY:  Well, we strongly condemn the barrage of rocket fire from Gaza into Israel, and we regret the death and injury of innocent Israeli and Palestinian civilians caused by the ensuing violence.  There is no justification for the violence that Hamas and other terrorist organizations are employing against the people of Israel.  We call on those responsible to stop these cowardly acts immediately in order to allow the situation to deescalate.

As you know, President Obama spoke yesterday with Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu and Egyptian President Morsi.  In both conversations, the President reiterated the United States’ support for Israel’s right to self-defense.  President Obama also urged Prime Minister Netanyahu to make every effort to avoid civilian casualties.

Hamas -- let me just finish here -- Hamas claims to have the best interest of the Palestinian people at heart, yet it continues to engage in violence that is counterproductive to the Palestinian cause.  Attacking Israel on a near daily basis does nothing to help Palestinians in Gaza or to move the Palestinian people any close to achieving self-determination.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: jj1000 on November 17, 2012, 05:47:29 PM
Some images I saw online. 1st from an Israeli 2nd and 3rd from an Arab.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 17, 2012, 06:03:40 PM
Some images I saw online. 1st from an Israeli 2nd and 3rd from an Arab.

ROFL from the last one. What year did Palestine invade Jordan?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: HelpMe on November 17, 2012, 06:22:31 PM
Some images I saw online. 1st from an Israeli 2nd and 3rd from an Arab.
When I look at the first two pictures why do I keep thinking “perception becomes reality”?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Q274 on November 17, 2012, 07:34:11 PM
@KolHaolam: NEW YORK: 20 volunteers of NY Hatzolah HEART team flying to Israel ready to treat emergencies, in case MDA members get drafted to army.

Wow Kol hakavod.
it was only ten.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Saver2000 on November 17, 2012, 07:38:12 PM
it was only ten.
There were some from from NJ as well so maybe they included them in the count.

ETA: Were they all medics? Or some of them were only EMT's?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Q274 on November 17, 2012, 07:38:57 PM
There were some from from NJ as well so maybe they included them in the count.
nope included them in the ten (i think)
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Saver2000 on November 17, 2012, 07:41:56 PM
nope included them in the ten (i think)
ETA: Were they all medics? Or some of them were only EMT's?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Q274 on November 17, 2012, 07:43:27 PM

mostly medics they were looking for medics and more imp members that speak the native tongue (israeli, a version of hebrew) so they took some emts as well. BUT mostly medics.
 
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: creditor on November 17, 2012, 08:13:48 PM
Netanyahu: No Current Plans for Gaza Ground War

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/11/17/netanyahu-no-current-plans-for-gaza-ground-war.html
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Mocha on November 17, 2012, 08:16:46 PM
Netanyahu: No Current Plans for Gaza Ground War

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/11/17/netanyahu-no-current-plans-for-gaza-ground-war.html
>:(  A peace treaty just pushes off an inevitable future ground incursion.
Title: Re: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: creditor on November 17, 2012, 08:25:18 PM
>:(  A peace treaty just pushes off an inevitable future ground incursion.
well. the only way for Israel to take care of this issue is only by pushing it off, anyway
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: AsherO on November 17, 2012, 09:00:50 PM
Netanyahu: No Current Plans for Gaza Ground War

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/11/17/netanyahu-no-current-plans-for-gaza-ground-war.html

While a ground excursion isn't going to be fun, it's the only "solution".

well. the only way for Israel to take care of this issue is only by pushing it off, anyway

-1, pushing it off just makes it worse, they're getting more and more entrenched in Gaza, and their stockpiles are R"L growing.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: WhyAich on November 17, 2012, 09:16:56 PM
While a ground excursion isn't going to be fun, it's the only "solution".

-1, pushing it off just makes it worse, they're getting more and more entrenched in Gaza, and their stockpiles are R"L growing.

there is no solution...you cannot deal with terrorists, it's crush them and that's that
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: AsherO on November 17, 2012, 09:18:12 PM
there is no solution...you cannot deal with terrorists, it's crush them and that's that

I'm in agreement with you, and since even that isn't a solution, I call it a "solution"
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: rots5 on November 18, 2012, 01:50:25 AM
This is just the Jews to sum it up
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 18, 2012, 03:47:02 AM
Another missile launched at Rishon about 2 minutes ago
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: rots5 on November 18, 2012, 04:01:07 AM
Haaretz just said 2 more at tlv. But they were intercepted
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Deal Guy on November 18, 2012, 04:03:13 AM
Haaretz just said 2 more at tlv. But they were intercepted
Do you pay for haaretz subscription? I cant stand that now they keep on asking for money for any article. So I stick with ynet.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: rots5 on November 18, 2012, 04:06:21 AM
Do you pay for haaretz subscription? I cant stand that now they keep on asking for money for any article. So I stick with ynet.

Nope.  Free app and just had to sign up
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Galitzyaner on November 18, 2012, 06:17:28 AM
 Rupert Murdoch Slams 'Jewish Owned' Media Bias  (http://m.forward.com/articles/166297/rupert-murdoch-slams-jewish-owned-media-bias)

You can't make this up!

Quote (on tapatalk.. don't know how to "quote"):

 By Forward Staff

Media mogul Rupert Murdoch slammed ‘Jewish owned’ media outlets for being too critical of Israel in its confrontation with Gaza.

The News Corp. chief Tweeted his feelings Saturday, but did not explain which outlets he was referring to, Politico reported.

“Why Is Jewish owned press so consistently anti-Israel in every crisis?” he asked on Twitter.

Murdoch, who portrays himself as a strong supporter of Israel, did not elaborate. But he did mention some media groups by name in anotherTweet. 
“Middle East ready to boil over any day. Israel position precarious. Meanwhile watch CNN and AP bias to point of embarrassment,” he Tweeted.

He also pointedly asked what the White House was doing about the crisis. “Can’t Obama stop his friends in Egypt shelling Israel?”



Egypt shelling Israel?! :o
Is this guy related to the Donald?! ;)
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Mocha on November 18, 2012, 06:25:14 AM
Egypt shelling Israel?! :o
Is this guy related to the Donald?! ;)
A rocket was supposedly fired from Sinai.
Title: Re: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Galitzyaner on November 18, 2012, 06:40:03 AM
A rocket was supposedly fired from Sinai.
I saw that too, but has that been substantiated?  Or just a 'report'?
Title: Re: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: creditor on November 18, 2012, 06:50:14 AM


-1, pushing it off just makes it worse, they're getting more and more entrenched in Gaza, and their stockpiles are R"L growing.
I basically agree with you. we defer in terminology. those air strikes as well as land invasions like the last 'cast lead' is what I would call pushing it off. they won't be able to take care of this problem totally without allot of israeli casualties h"yr.
what they keep on doing is they push it off again and again
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 18, 2012, 10:18:21 AM
Just discovered this list (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2012). It's scary yet probably quite useful when dealing with some hopeless libs trying to compare Hamas rockets to "Israeli aggression".
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: doublejay on November 18, 2012, 10:39:54 AM
Q for the oilam: Which of the large networks/news sites is generally accepted to be pro-Israel?

I feel guilty for checking CNN when I want to check main stream media.

Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Q274 on November 18, 2012, 10:40:28 AM
1) the idf has asked that if someone knows the location of a rocket hitting DO NOT publicize the exact location as they are shooting blindly and will know how and where to adjust if they know the exact location of a rocket hitting
2) 2 direct hits about an hour ago in okafim, my friends responded, they  told me it super super scary, one alarm to the next, everyone stops cars, gets out lies on the floor until the clear is given. very scary for sure if you are not used to it.


KEEP PRAYING.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 18, 2012, 10:41:32 AM
Q for the oilam: Which of the large networks/news sites is generally accepted to be pro-Israel?

I feel guilty for checking CNN when I want to check main stream media.


I would say Fox?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 18, 2012, 11:14:27 AM
Just came across a poem Alterman wrote in 1955:



נְשַעֵר כִּי תּוֹתָח עַרְבִי אֶחָד, תּוֹתָח קָט, בֶּן-בְּלִי-עֵרֶךְ, יוֹרֶה נִים-לא-נִים יְרִיָּה רַק אַחַת לְשָבוּעַ בִּלְבַד אֶל שֶטַח מַעַרְכוֹת הָעִתּוֹנִים. נְשַעֵר כִּי עוֹרְכֵי-עִתּוֹנִים לִישִיבָה מִזְדַּמְּנִים בְּמִקְרֶה, וּבְשוּבָם לְעֵת-עֶרֶב אִיש רֵעוֹ שוֹאֵל: אֵיךְ אֶצְלְכֶם בַּסְּבִיבָה? וּמֵשִיב הַנִּשְאָל: הַטְרָדוֹת קַלּוֹת-עֶרֶך… הַטְרָדוֹת שֶל שִגְרָה.

הַסְּבִיבָה דּוֹמֵמָה. רַק מִפַּעַם לְפַעַם, בְּאֶמְצַע הַמְּלֶאכֶת, יוֹרֵד אֵיזֶה פָּגָז עָלוּב שֶל מַרְגֵּמָה בְּשֶטַח מַזְכִּירוּת-הַמַּעֲרֶכֶת. חוּץ מִזֶּה כִּמְעַט אֶפֶס. מָטוֹס מַנְמִיךְ-טוּס, – וְעִם-שַחַר צְלִיפוֹת אֲחָדוֹת אֶל הַדְּפוּס. וְאוֹמֵר הַשֵּנִי: סְבִיבָתֵנוּ גַם לָהּ אֵין עִילָּה לִתְלוּנוֹת. רַק אַחַת לִשְבוּעַיִם יוֹרָה אֵלֵינוּ מִין בָּזוּקָה אֻומְלָלָה הַיְשַר בַּחַלּוֹנוֹת וּבַדְּלָתַיִם. לִפְעָמִים אֵיזֶה הוֹבִיצֶר (= תותח)בָּנוּ הוֹלֵם. אַךְ אֵינֶנּוּ עוֹשִׂים מִזֶּה עֵסֶק שָלֵם.

וְאוֹמֵר הַשְּלִישִי: כֵּן, אַחִים, יִהְיֶה רַע אִם נַגִּיב הֲגָבוֹת עַל מִקְרִים שֶכָּאֵלֶּה. תְּמוֹל אֶצְלֵנוּ כִּמְעַט נֶהֶרְסָה הַתִּקְרָה, – אֲבָל מֵילָא. כַּךְ דִּבְּרוּ הָעוֹרְכִים, וְלִבִּי (שֶנִּימַת אַקְטִיבִיזְם-מֻובְהָק לא נִימַת יְסוֹדוֹ הִיא) סָח לִי חֶרֶש: רְאֵה כִּי שֻוכְנַעְתִּי כִּמְעַט מִן הַיַּחַס הַזֶּה הַסְּטוֹאִי. וְרַק רַחַש סָפֵק בִּי שָאַל, אִם אָמְנָם לא הָיָה מִתְעַרְעֵר מְעַט קַו הַשִּכְנוּעַ לוּ שָכְנוּ בֶּאֱמֶת עִתּוֹנֵינוּ אֵי שָם וְהָיוּ מְקַבְּלִים "רַק" פָּגָז לְשָבוּעַ…

רַק פָּגָז לְשָבוּעַ – לֹא כֵן? – עִם צְלִיפוֹת אֲחָדוֹת בְּכָל-יוֹם אֶל חֲדַר הַיְשִיבוֹת… יִתָּכֵן כִּי הָיוּ הֵם דּוֹרְשִים אָז בְּקוֹל לְסַלֵּק וִיהִי-מָה כָּל עֶמְדָה שֶל טִוּוּחַ… יִתָּכֵן וְהָיוּ דּוֹרְשִים זאת בְּלִי כָל הִסְתַּיְּגוּת… מִי יוֹדֵעַ אֶת דֶּרֶךְ הָרוּחַ… הָעִקָּר לִפְעָמִים (זאת הִרְגַּשְנוּ מִכְּבָר) אֵינוֹ כֵּן-אַקְטִיבִיזְם אוֹ לא-אַקְטִיבִיזְם… הָעִקָּר הוּא שֶקְּצָת בְּרִחוֹק מִן הַסְּפָר קַל לָדוּן בַּדְּבָרִים מֵעֶמְדָה שֶל כְּתִיבִיזְם… זֶה מַשְפִּיעַ.. מַשְפִּיעַ אוּלַי עַל שָרְשָן שֶל דֵּעוֹת. טוֹב דִּיוּן שֶצָּלוּל וּמַקִּיף הוּא, אַךְ נִקְבַּעַת אוּלַי הַשְקָפַת הַפַּרְשָן גַּם לְפִי הַמָּקוֹם שֶמִּמֶּנּוּ מַשְקִיף הוּא.
 נתן אלתרמן, הטור השביעי, תשט"ו (1955)
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 18, 2012, 11:21:55 AM
1) the idf has asked that if someone knows the location of a rocket hitting DO NOT publicize the exact location as they are shooting blindly and will know how and where to adjust if they know the exact location of a rocket hitting
No one here has to concerned about that. If you know where it landed, odds are Hamas knows already
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Q274 on November 18, 2012, 11:29:53 AM
No one here has to concerned about that. If you know where it landed, odds are Hamas knows already
i was not stating it as a concern, i think it is stam a cool fact
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: HelpMe on November 18, 2012, 12:05:38 PM
No one here has to concerned about that. If you know where it landed, odds are Hamas knows already
Why take the chance?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: how on November 18, 2012, 12:41:05 PM
No one here has to concerned about that. If you know where it landed, odds are Hamas knows already
Don't be so sure
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: meshugener on November 18, 2012, 12:56:16 PM
So cease fire talks failed. What's next?
Title: Re: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Ergel on November 18, 2012, 12:59:17 PM
So cease fire talks failed. What's next?
link?
ETA: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/wap/Item.aspx?type=0&item=162218
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 18, 2012, 01:02:25 PM
So cease fire talks failed. What's next?
If true Good news!
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 18, 2012, 01:06:11 PM
If true Good news!
+1.
But see what I posted earlier
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: ChAiM'l on November 18, 2012, 01:24:05 PM
Iron Dome
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Galitzyaner on November 18, 2012, 01:29:56 PM
Iron Dome
???  WTH
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 18, 2012, 01:41:37 PM
???  WTH
Tzipor Barzel
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Galitzyaner on November 18, 2012, 01:45:39 PM
Tzipor Barzel
Yeah, Kipat Barzel.. I'm still lost.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Galitzyaner on November 18, 2012, 04:13:23 PM
(http://chabadinfo.com/images/originalsize/5430/543018.jpg)
Bikur Cholim and Nichum Aveilim
Rav Chaim Kanievsky visiting Shmuel Scharf who is recovering in the Shiba Hospital in Tel-Hashomer
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: jj1000 on November 18, 2012, 04:17:22 PM
(http://chabadinfo.com/images/originalsize/5430/543018.jpg)
Bikur Cholim and Nichum Aveilim
Rav Chaim Kanievsky visiting Shmuel Scharf who is recovering in the Shiba Hospital in Tel-Hashomer
digging the kipa!
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: how on November 18, 2012, 04:18:47 PM
Some of the Palestinian rockets fired far into Israel during the Gaza flare-up have lacked powerful warheads because they were stripped down to increase range and spread alarm over a wider population, Israeli security sources said on Sunday.

 "Our assessment is that the prestige of setting off alarms deep in Israel, and being perceived as fighting on, is as important to them now as spilling our blood," said an Israeli official briefed on security cabinet decisions. ynet

 
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Post by: U-no-me! on November 18, 2012, 06:07:13 PM
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Post by: Achas Veachas on November 18, 2012, 06:43:32 PM
(http://www.ynet.co.il/PicServer3/2012/11/18/4279649/427960901009100408342no.jpg)
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: U-no-me! on November 18, 2012, 06:46:39 PM
 ::)
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 18, 2012, 06:47:49 PM
Hammas is threatening: if there will be a land invasion we will start targetting millitary targets, in addition to the civilian ones we've been shooting untill now ???
http://www.inn.co.il/News/News.aspx/247089
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Post by: U-no-me! on November 18, 2012, 07:45:02 PM
Now their saying that Chamas may attach chemical warheads to their long range missiles R"L
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 18, 2012, 08:05:16 PM
Do they have such things? Or is it just fear mongering?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: U-no-me! on November 18, 2012, 08:06:49 PM
Do they have such things? Or is it just fear mongering?

you never know. there are many players involved.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 18, 2012, 09:31:50 PM
I would be highly surprised if Hamas has unconventional weapons and Israeli intelligence doesn't know about it.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Deal Guy on November 19, 2012, 01:55:17 AM
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Very sad indeed.
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Post by: AsherO on November 19, 2012, 05:05:47 AM
Some of the Palestinian rockets fired far into Israel during the Gaza flare-up have lacked powerful warheads because they were stripped down to increase range and spread alarm over a wider population, Israeli security sources said on Sunday.

 nullOur assessment is that the prestige of setting off alarms deep in Israel, and being perceived as fighting on, is as important to them now as spilling our blood,null said an Israeli official briefed on security cabinet decisions. ynet

While this is smart psychological warfare, it's comforting, because it confirms it means they themselves know their firepower is meek. BH for Iron Dome.

Hammas is threatening: if there will be a land invasion we will start targetting millitary targets, in addition to the civilian ones we've been shooting untill now ???
http://www.inn.co.il/News/News.aspx/247089

Let 'em try, the fools.

Now their saying that Chamas may attach chemical warheads to their long range missiles R"L

R"L, but I don't buy it. (How) could Iron Dome protect against it?

I would be highly surprised if Hamas has unconventional weapons and Israeli intelligence doesn't know about it.

+1, though if Israel knew I'm not sure they'd leak it, as it would cause panic Ch"v.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 19, 2012, 06:20:26 AM
R"L, but I don't buy it. (How) could Iron Dome protect against it?
If it burned hot enough it might work
+1, though if Israel knew I'm not sure they'd leak it, as it would cause panic Ch"v.
And they would be stepping up gas mask distribution.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 19, 2012, 07:15:40 AM
Aren't you doing that right here?

not general enough? Ill delete
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: how on November 19, 2012, 07:26:09 AM
Lots more rockets still flying in right now.

I heard that the rockets that were fired towards Jerusalem were basically empty flying pipes.

Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: mmermss on November 19, 2012, 07:27:57 AM


I heard that the rockets that were fired towards Jerusalem were basically empty flying pipes.

Source?

And why would they do that?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 19, 2012, 07:31:17 AM
Source?

And why would they do that?
1) most of their rockets aren't carrying payloads so they can maximize range
2) They are called terrorists. Did u feel terrorized this shabbos? I did. Sleeping with PJs, jumping for every car alarm and MIB motorcycle. They were just trying to set off the alarms and they succeeded.

They are not gonna waste their precious supply of Fajr-5s on JLM, they are going to concentrate on TLV, however those 2 got tremendous bang for buck, relitively speaking (no pun intended)
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: how on November 19, 2012, 07:32:55 AM
ynet
To create fear and panic

That also explains why a rocket in ashdod just broke in half when it hit a building instead of exploding. Of course they still send real ones but for every fake one that Iron dome shoots down that $120000 lost.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: mmermss on November 19, 2012, 07:36:05 AM
1) most of their rockets aren't carrying payloads so they can maximize range
2) They are called terrorists. Did u feel terrorized this shabbos? I did. Sleeping with PJs, jumping for every car alarm and MIB motorcycle. They were just trying to set off the alarms and they succeeded.

They are not gonna waste their precious supply of Fajr-5s on JLM, they are going to concentrate on TLV, however those 2 got tremendous bang for buck, relitively speaking (no pun intended)

Which two are you referring to?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 19, 2012, 07:37:30 AM
Which two are you referring to?
Fired toward JLM Friday
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Jkhein on November 19, 2012, 07:42:05 AM
but for every fake one that Iron dome shoots down that $120000 lost.
Ive heard so many numbers of how much it costs, I wonder what the real number is.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: how on November 19, 2012, 07:54:01 AM
Source?

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4308023,00.html (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4308023,00.html)
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Post by: Chaikel on November 19, 2012, 07:54:35 AM
Ive heard so many numbers of how much it costs, I wonder what the real number is.
you know there are many different types of rockets, missiles, and mortars. Each kind probably has its own pricetag. Plus these is wholesale, retail, black and grey market
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: how on November 19, 2012, 07:56:23 AM
Ive heard so many numbers of how much it costs, I wonder what the real number is.
Between $50,000 and $60,000 per interceptor missile - for every 1 interception Iron dome fire 2 missiles. And even then they only have a 85% chance of getting it down
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: how on November 19, 2012, 07:58:51 AM
you know there are many different types of rockets, missiles, and mortars. Each kind probably has its own pricetag. Plus these is wholesale, retail, black and grey market
I was referring to wasting a Iron dome missile. Hamas spends about $2000 on a rocket. They are looking for donations ;)
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 19, 2012, 08:45:14 AM
Hamas gives their terms to a cease-fire: "If Israel stops their targeted assassinations...". What would they rather? Untargeted? blanket bombing? ???
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: meshugener on November 19, 2012, 08:47:31 AM
I don't know how to express myself, but the media is so so abnormally biased!
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 19, 2012, 09:08:40 AM
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162249#.UKo80Iecdfc

If they just started broadcasting this season of 2 and a half men on a loop, they would surrender in no time
Title: Photos of Operation Cloud Pillar
Post by: YudiG on November 19, 2012, 09:30:41 AM
http://www.vosizneias.com/117659/2012/11/19/jerusalem-in-photos-israel-ready-for-gaza-invasion

some amazing photos
Title: Re: Photos of Operation Cloud Pillar
Post by: jj1000 on November 19, 2012, 09:48:41 AM
Those photos are fantastic!
Title: Re: Photos of Operation Cloud Pillar
Post by: Yeki89 on November 19, 2012, 09:58:47 AM
http://www.vosizneias.com/117659/2012/11/19/jerusalem-in-photos-israel-ready-for-gaza-invasion

some amazing photos
unreal!!!
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Drago on November 19, 2012, 10:03:03 AM
Personally, I really begin appreciating all of the reservists when you work with them, and see them suddenly called out of meetings to report.

Knowing they have a wife, children, an established life... it's really amazing.
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Post by: L'Chaim on November 19, 2012, 10:29:56 AM
Lots more rockets still flying in right now.

I heard that the rockets that were fired towards Jerusalem were basically empty flying pipes.

I heard from a guy that was in the Gush for Shabbes that they heard a huge explosion.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: mmermss on November 19, 2012, 11:51:43 AM
I heard from a guy that was in the Gush for Shabbes that they heard a huge explosion.
A friend of mine who lives in the Gush looked up on Friday and saw the missile fly over his head...landed 5miles from his apt
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: moish on November 19, 2012, 12:27:29 PM
funny
(http://i48.tinypic.com/2i7adzr.png)
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: jj1000 on November 19, 2012, 12:30:55 PM
funny
(http://i48.tinypic.com/2i7adzr.png)
why do I not find that even remotely humorous?
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Post by: moish on November 19, 2012, 12:34:22 PM
i find 5 & 7 to be quite funny
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: jj1000 on November 19, 2012, 12:38:21 PM
i find 5 & 7 to be quite funny
Its probably because I'm an outsider and find that whole idea completely traumatizing.
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Post by: ChAiM'l on November 19, 2012, 01:03:50 PM
Is it only me, or does (1) look like a man in underwear beating a child that's on their hands and knees?  8)
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 19, 2012, 01:08:09 PM
Is it only me, or does (1) look like a man in underwear beating a child that's on their hands and knees?  8)
To me it actually looked like something else was happening...
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: rots5 on November 19, 2012, 01:53:09 PM
To me it actually looked like something else was happening...
+1
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: moish on November 19, 2012, 02:24:22 PM
its a guy putting on pants
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: how on November 19, 2012, 02:27:00 PM
The missiles fired towards gush are real iran made missiles
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 19, 2012, 02:32:52 PM
Its probably because I'm an outsider and find that whole idea completely traumatizing.
+1
Jokes make it easier. That was the scariest sound I've ever heard in my life a sound that says "hey you, or someone you know, might only have 90 seconds (at the time I thought it was less) to live". Making light of the situation has helped recover from that trauma.
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Post by: danR on November 19, 2012, 03:36:37 PM
I cancelled my trip to Israel today. The tickets I bought were part of the ELAL glitch, I tried to postpone/change the dates but the only thing they offered me was to change flight to Feb for $220 a person, so it would have came out to over $700 a ticket so I just got a full refund.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 19, 2012, 03:41:41 PM
Special forces are already in Gaza?
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/world_news/Middle_East/article1165097.ece
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: JEWDA on November 19, 2012, 03:42:56 PM
Special forces are already in Gaza?
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/world_news/Middle_East/article1165097.ece
No, just preparing.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 19, 2012, 03:45:34 PM
No, just preparing.
Not according to the article I linked to:

Quote
as special forces already behind enemy lines mounted a frantic search for long-range rockets aimed at Israel.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 19, 2012, 04:00:11 PM
Quote from: http://ca.news.yahoo.com/more-diplomacy-try-halt-israel-gaza-fighting-023756686.html
The leader of Hamas said it was up to Israel to end the new conflict it had started.
Im a bit confused by "It" he meant Israel or Hamas?  :-\
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Drago on November 19, 2012, 04:08:13 PM
Special forces are already in Gaza?
http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/world_news/Middle_East/article1165097.ece
I wouldn't doubt it for a moment. They need to have some forces on the ground.

Reports about the Syrian nuke strike from 2007 is that they had forces there guiding in the bombs.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: moish on November 19, 2012, 05:05:48 PM
thoughts on this? at first i didnt believe it

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/19/u-s-sends-warships-near-israel-in-case-evacuation-needed/
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 19, 2012, 05:24:20 PM
thoughts on this? at first i didnt believe it

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/19/u-s-sends-warships-near-israel-in-case-evacuation-needed/
My thoughts were: "I hope my wife doesn't read this"
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 19, 2012, 05:26:40 PM
thoughts on this? at first i didnt believe it

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/19/u-s-sends-warships-near-israel-in-case-evacuation-needed/
If true; majorly overhyped...
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Jkhein on November 19, 2012, 05:37:24 PM
Some claim, there is alot more than what we think in this war on Hamas.
Its to clear the path to Iran.. Makes so much sense! Especially with all this international backing.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: HelpMe on November 19, 2012, 05:43:37 PM
Some claim, there is alot more than what we think in this war on Hamas.
Its to clear the path to Iran.. Makes so much sense! Especially with all this international backing.
Are you suggesting that Israel might take on Iran at this point?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: LeeW on November 19, 2012, 05:46:58 PM
I thought it was Iran trying to get the world to forget about its nuclear program. They tell Hamas to step up rocket attacks on Israel and boom every news outlet is busy covering the Israeli "aggression" and "war crimes". Meanwhile Iran continues quietly towards enriching uranium for a bomb. 
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Jkhein on November 19, 2012, 06:01:40 PM
Are you suggesting that Israel might take on Iran at this point?
they definitely want to do what they can, not to have heavy attacks from next door while they will be busy in Iran. And they have to get rid of all their big guys now.
And Iran thinks Israel is distracted now...
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: SamDaMan on November 19, 2012, 07:26:30 PM
FWD: "Breaking" Chamas & israel just anounced a ceasefire, chamas will throw rockets in the odd days & israel will shoot back in the even days..
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Saver2000 on November 19, 2012, 07:32:04 PM
FWD: "Breaking" Chamas & israel just anounced a ceasefire, chamas will throw rockets in the odd days & israel will shoot back in the even days..
Wrong thread.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 19, 2012, 08:35:57 PM
FWD: "Breaking" Chamas & israel just anounced a ceasefire, chamas will throw rockets in the odd days & israel will shoot back in the even days..
Why does Bloomberg have to stick his nose EVERYWHERE?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: U-no-me! on November 19, 2012, 08:41:50 PM
Why does Bloomberg have to stick his nose EVERYWHERE?

 ??? ???

O0
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Ergel on November 19, 2012, 08:41:52 PM
Got this text. Can anyone verify?

 FWD: Troops entering Gaza. Rabbonim are asking ppl to say tehillim 130, 121, 83, 20, 91, 143. Send 2 at least 10 ppl.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: U-no-me! on November 19, 2012, 08:46:42 PM
Got this text. Can anyone verify?

 FWD: Troops entering Gaza. Rabbonim are asking ppl to say tehillim 130, 121, 83, 20, 91, 143. Send 2 at least 10 ppl.

first part is shtuyot
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Saver2000 on November 19, 2012, 08:53:06 PM
Got this text. Can anyone verify?

 FWD: Troops entering Gaza. Rabbonim are asking ppl to say tehillim 130, 121, 83, 20, 91, 143. Send 2 at least 10 ppl.
I heard its not true.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Ergel on November 19, 2012, 08:55:41 PM
Ridiculous that someone would make something like that up. Sick, actually.
And then people just go around forwarding it, you'd think people would be brighter than that
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Post by: sky121 on November 19, 2012, 08:57:51 PM
There are troops by Gaza already.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: jj1000 on November 19, 2012, 08:58:48 PM
Ridiculous that someone would make something like that up. Sick, actually.
And then people just go around forwarding it, you'd think people would be brighter than that
for sure not true? I got the same text heard a guy who's there was the source...
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: U-no-me! on November 19, 2012, 09:02:36 PM
There are troops by Gaza already.

Troops have already been sationed by gaza for the last few days.
But they have not yet entered
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: jj1000 on November 19, 2012, 09:07:23 PM
Troops have already been sationed by gaza for the last few days.
But they have not yet entered
not saying its true or not. I don't think it is, but are you there?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: U-no-me! on November 19, 2012, 09:12:02 PM
not saying its true or not. I don't think it is, but are you there?

If I understand this correctly no news agency whatsoever is reporting that they have entered, in fact they are reporting that there is a truce proposal on the table. Yet somehow the orthodox jewish community in the us knows something that the local news agencies in Israel do not.?!?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: sky121 on November 19, 2012, 09:14:03 PM
The truth is at the end of the day no one knows exactly what is going on. Not any of us. And we should be davening either way.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: jj1000 on November 19, 2012, 09:16:24 PM
The truth is at the end of the day no one knows exactly what is going on. Not any of us. And we should be davening either way.
+1 tehillim can only help. Always...
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Post by: SamDaMan on November 19, 2012, 09:21:06 PM
Wrong thread.
I tried searching but couldn't find a better thread O:-)
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: U-no-me! on November 19, 2012, 09:36:12 PM
Unless of course the text dosen't actually say that they've entered Gaza, rather that they are preparing to enter.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Galitzyaner on November 20, 2012, 12:44:13 AM
Why does Bloomberg have to stick his nose EVERYWHERE?
Lol!
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Post by: Chaikel on November 20, 2012, 04:39:13 AM
Guard at US Embassy in TLV wounded by (jewish) Axe-wielding attacker.
Hillary Clinton to visit Israel
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Post by: sawlw on November 20, 2012, 07:15:18 AM
air-raid siren in jlm now!!!!!
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Post by: Chaikel on November 20, 2012, 07:23:08 AM
air-raid siren in jlm now!!!!!
whered it hit?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Red on November 20, 2012, 07:29:10 AM
air-raid siren in jlm now!!!!!
I didn't hear anything....


Edit: From YWN:
UPDATE: 2:19PM IL: Jerusalem police spokesman Shmulik Ben-Ruby reports “no explosion in the city itself”.

Channel 2 News reports the blast was heard in some neighborhoods of the city, including Ramot.

Baruch Hashem the rocket landed in an open area but close enough to the city to trigger alarms. B’chasdei Hashem there are no reports of injuries.
Title: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: A3 on November 20, 2012, 07:29:16 AM
Explosion was heard in Ramot?

Sister in Ruchavia said she heard a big boom after the siren
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: moish on November 20, 2012, 07:29:34 AM
Leave it to YWN to jeopardize Jewish lives by releasing that kind of info
what do you mean?
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Post by: sawlw on November 20, 2012, 07:29:44 AM
Explosion was heard in Ramot?

thats what Israeli radio reporting
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: sawlw on November 20, 2012, 07:30:37 AM
what do you mean?

they can only aim/ re-aim after they know where it landed
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: moish on November 20, 2012, 07:31:51 AM
nothing to do with YWN

theyre just quoting from channel 2

im sure hamas is watching channel 2 over reading YWN
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: moish on November 20, 2012, 07:32:40 AM
"A rocket that set off a red alert siren in Jerusalem Tuesday landed in an open area outside the city, near to Bethlehem, police told Channel 2"
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 20, 2012, 07:38:54 AM
Channel 7 is reporting it was near an arab villiang.
RT @Muqata
2:30 PM Reports that the rocket launched at Jerusalem landed in an Arab village near Beit Lechem. Nice shooting guys!
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Jkhein on November 20, 2012, 07:40:22 AM
Sorry to say, the siren is too quiet.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 20, 2012, 07:42:49 AM
Sorry to say, the siren is too quiet.
+1
My wife first thought it was a car siren
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: 972sg212 on November 20, 2012, 07:43:39 AM
I didn't hear anything....




It was heard from pisgat Zev .... The siren in neve Yakov  didn't make a sound
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 20, 2012, 07:44:01 AM
So there is a ping pong and foosball table in my miklat. Who knew?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 20, 2012, 07:44:57 AM
It was heard from pisgat Zev .... The siren in neve Yakov  didn't make a sound
Neither did Telshe Stone
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: moish on November 20, 2012, 07:45:35 AM
youre lucky, all we have is schach...
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Red on November 20, 2012, 07:46:20 AM
So there is a ping pong and foosball table in my miklat. Who knew?
Mine is full of sukkas, old furniture, boxes etc. I hope we don't need it.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 20, 2012, 07:46:24 AM
youre lucky, all we have is schach...
Can you make it over to me in 90 seconds?
We can have tourneys
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: 972sg212 on November 20, 2012, 07:47:11 AM
So there is a ping pong and foosball table in my miklat. Who knew?

Ours  doubles as the janitors closet
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Post by: rots5 on November 20, 2012, 07:49:05 AM
Thank god ours is huge and has a couch and tables and chairs for ppl

But does anyone know where on the map gaza is bec its not coming up on apple maps
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 20, 2012, 07:50:52 AM
Thank god ours is huge and has a couch and tables and chairs for ppl

But does anyone know where on the map gaza is bec its not coming up on apple maps
On apple maps it's in London
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: rots5 on November 20, 2012, 07:52:08 AM
Lol.  What about regular.  What's it called gaza or Asa and is it in israel?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Red on November 20, 2012, 07:52:56 AM

Ours  doubles as the janitors closet
Or in the main building it's the kitchen's storage room.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 20, 2012, 07:53:23 AM
Lol.  What about regular.  What's it called gaza or Asa and is it in israel?
Try Gaza City
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Red on November 20, 2012, 07:58:12 AM
nothing to do with YWN

theyre just quoting from channel 2

im sure hamas is watching channel 2 over reading YWN
From a comment on YWN:
Moderators Note: These sources are all YWN (unless otherwise noted), being published by our news room in Jerusalem, by our staff of veteran reporters.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 20, 2012, 07:59:52 AM
But does anyone know where on the map gaza is bec its not coming up on apple maps
http://goo.gl/maps/jwchh
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: lfas25 on November 20, 2012, 08:02:58 AM
Thank god ours is huge and has a couch and tables and chairs for ppl

But does anyone know where on the map gaza is bec its not coming up on apple maps

I guess Israel told them the real plans and they updated the map already!!! Lol
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: how on November 20, 2012, 08:03:46 AM
IDF
 Reports indicate that the rocket fell outside Jerusalem in a Palestinian village.

Ynet
Palestinian sources told Ynet that the rocket fired from Gaza landed in an open area between two Palestinian villages in the West Bank, in the Gush Etzion area. No injuries or damage were reported.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 20, 2012, 08:04:20 AM
I guess Israel told them the real plans and they updated the map already!!! Lol
Well being that we're speaking about Apple maps I'd say they just haven't updated since the Hitnatkut..
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 20, 2012, 08:05:09 AM
Ynet
Palestinian sources told Ynet that the rocket fired from Gaza landed in an open area between two Palestinian villages in the West Bank, in the Gush Etzion area. No injuries or damage were reported.
This seems too similar to Fridays rocket, you sure they didn't confuse the 2?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 20, 2012, 08:06:12 AM
This seems too similar to Fridays rocket, you sure they didn't confuse the 2?
Yes. Unlike sources trying to get ppl killed (ehem YWN), they are trying to be vague on purpose
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 20, 2012, 08:08:49 AM
Best part is this happened while the UN secretary General was in J-M. Any reports of him running for his life to the nearest Miklat?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 20, 2012, 08:10:30 AM
Last night I told my wife that there was going to be one today or tomorrow. JLMers PM me and I'll explain how, so you can have a heads up
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Drago on November 20, 2012, 08:15:26 AM
I heard that one fell in Chevron...
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 20, 2012, 08:17:10 AM
I heard that one fell Near Chevron...
FTFY At least according to ynet
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: rots5 on November 20, 2012, 08:19:52 AM
http://goo.gl/maps/jwchh

i cant actually google a direction to there, it stops at the border, but its a good 70 miles away from jlem
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 20, 2012, 08:24:09 AM
i cant actually google a direction to there, it stops at the border, but its a good 7 miles away from jlem
Googles' ruler thingy gives me 43.7 miles or 70 km
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: rots5 on November 20, 2012, 08:30:03 AM
Googles' ruler thingy gives me 43.7 miles or 70 km

wow   not cool!
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: moish on November 20, 2012, 08:46:37 AM
Last night I told my wife that there was going to be one today or tomorrow. JLMers PM me and I'll explain how, so you can have a heads up
ruach hakodesh!

although a friend of mine from givaat zeev told me that this morning the soldiers at the checkpoint were scruitnizing every vehicle as opposed to the last few days when they were schmoozing and laughing
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 20, 2012, 09:17:16 AM
ruach hakodesh!
Well for those who PM'd I already made my next prediction, so lets see how hole'y I truly am

although a friend of mine from givaat zeev told me that this morning the soldiers at the checkpoint were scrutinizing every vehicle as opposed to the last few days when they were schmoozing and laughing
Went through 2 today, was waived through
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 20, 2012, 10:48:11 AM
Seems like a ceasefire is becoming reality tonight.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 20, 2012, 10:54:05 AM
Seems like a ceasefire is becoming reality tonight.
Channel 7 says that it may be disinformation. And it's just for Hillary
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: YudiG on November 20, 2012, 11:03:10 AM
its hard for israel to go in when every day another vip shows up in gaza...
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: rots5 on November 20, 2012, 11:12:27 AM
Channel 7 says that it may be disinformation. And it's just for Hillary

Its her ploy to run for president
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 20, 2012, 11:12:40 AM
its hard for israel to go in when every day another vip shows up in gaza...
Didn't stop Hamas from sending a rocket to J-M while the UN secretary was there...
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: YudiG on November 20, 2012, 11:18:30 AM
Didn't stop Hamas from sending a rocket to J-M while the UN secretary was there...

its not like he'd criticize them so why not?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 20, 2012, 11:33:30 AM
its not like he'd criticize them so why not?
Still didn't hurt to have him run for shelter once.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: YudiG on November 20, 2012, 11:38:10 AM
Still didn't hurt to have him run for shelter once.

did you ss the clip of anderson cooper - cnn - duck for cover on live tv?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: JEWDA on November 20, 2012, 12:51:52 PM
Channel 10 TV News: Israeli sources signal Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu is agreeing to a ceasefire under “enormous” pressure from the White House.

The formula will compel a ceasefire tonight, and only in the morning will the sides begin speaking towards reaching understanding.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: YudiG on November 20, 2012, 01:09:01 PM
Channel 10 TV News: Israeli sources signal Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu is agreeing to a ceasefire under “enormous” pressure from the White House.

The formula will compel a ceasefire tonight, and only in the morning will the sides begin speaking towards reaching understanding.

saw that on TYW...no other news source has reported that...Channel 10 has a thing with Bibi so prob should take it with a grain of salt...
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: JEWDA on November 20, 2012, 01:12:18 PM
saw that on TYW...no other news source has reported that...Channel 10 has a thing with Bibi so prob should take it with a grain of salt...
I heard something similar on channel 2 an hour ago.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: YudiG on November 20, 2012, 01:15:03 PM
I heard something similar on channel 2 an hour ago.

its just strange that hamas is pushing for ceasefire..and israel is keeping silent for most part...i do think the part about enormous us pressure is true as the ground op has been so hyped at this point it really could blow up the region and draw the us in

when that happens, just pray as the whole world will go nuts
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 20, 2012, 01:19:33 PM
U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon said Tuesday that "Israel has legitimate security concerns and they should be respected."
??? ???  :o  :o  :o
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: how on November 20, 2012, 01:27:51 PM
It looks like we lost two more

HY"D

Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 20, 2012, 01:33:02 PM
U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon said Tuesday that "Israel has legitimate security concerns and they should be respected."
??? ???  :o  :o  :o
Good timing Hamas!!
Title: Re: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: SamDaMan on November 20, 2012, 01:33:06 PM
It looks like we lost two more

HY" D
ftfy
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: SamDaMan on November 20, 2012, 01:34:29 PM
Heard a Israel girl from beitar was shot by a passing car and is in critical condition.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 20, 2012, 01:36:52 PM
not just one?
+1
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: how on November 20, 2012, 01:40:33 PM
הירי מכיוון רצועת עזה ממשיך לגבות קורבנות: הותר לפרסום כי חייל צה"ל נהרג בשעות הצהריים (שלישי) מפגיעת ירי תלול-מסלול במועצה האזורית אשכול. החייל שנהרג הוא רב-טוראי יוסף פרטוק, בן 18 מהיישוב עמנואל. הודעה נמסרה למשפחתו. בתקרית נוספת, נהרג אזרח מנפילה בשטחי המועצה.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: how on November 20, 2012, 01:42:40 PM
Heard a Israel girl from beitar was shot by a passing car and is in critical condition.
I heard that she is 60 and was hit by rocks. Crazy whats going on.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: how on November 20, 2012, 01:54:13 PM
confirmed in English


Released for publication: An Israeli civilian was killed by a mortar shell that hit in the Eshkol Regional Council. Another civilian was seriously injured and 15 soldiers were lightly hurt in the attack. (Itamar Fleishman)

 
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 20, 2012, 03:03:37 PM
Demonstrations all over Israel not too sign a ceasefire. Something tells me a ceasefire now would be suicidal for Bibi's reelection, while a ground invasion would raise his polls approval.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: how on November 20, 2012, 03:06:10 PM
I wonder if he will send in golani troops or Tzamchanim to certain areas as a compromise to allow him to agree to cease fire
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: JEWDA on November 20, 2012, 03:07:05 PM
I wonder if he will send in golani troops or Tzamchanim to certain areas as a compromise to allow him to agree to cease fire
Don't they usually only send in Golani troups into Gaza?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: how on November 20, 2012, 03:11:20 PM
On the ground Golani from the air Paratroopers

I'm thinking that they will try to make a raid or two to save face and scare of hamas

Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: JEWDA on November 20, 2012, 03:13:08 PM
Channel 2 said now for sure no cease fire till tomorrow at least.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Jkhein on November 20, 2012, 04:00:29 PM
I dont want to be the one always coming up with these ideas. But.
You do realise that the army and media are doing a great job here, on hiding and covering up info.
For example nobody can answer where the rocket fell in Jerusalem today, or if it was one or two rockets. I know they are telling us Palestinian area etc, but note that no names are given.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: L'Chaim on November 20, 2012, 04:02:37 PM
I dont want to be the one always coming up with these ideas. But.
You do realise that the army and media are doing a great job here, on hiding and covering up info.
For example nobody can answer where the rocket fell in Jerusalem today, or if it was one or two rockets. I know they are telling us Palestinian area etc, but note that no names are given.

I heard that it killed a palestinian by Beth lechem
Title: Re: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: creditor on November 20, 2012, 04:10:49 PM
I dont want to be the one always coming up with these ideas. But.
You do realise that the army and media are doing a great job here, on hiding and covering up info.
For example nobody can answer where the rocket fell in Jerusalem today, or if it was one or two rockets. I know they are telling us Palestinian area etc, but note that no names are given.


I heard that it killed a palestinian by Beth lechem
they do give out the info. it was in bet-lehiya an Arab village
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Jkhein on November 20, 2012, 04:11:07 PM
I heard that it killed a palestinian by Beth lechem
If it would be true I believe IDF twitter would be happy to announce it.
That is the point here, so many people are hearing so many different things. They are hiding.
 
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: AsherO on November 20, 2012, 04:18:14 PM
I heard that it killed a palestinian by Beth lechem

If rockets kill "Palestinians", we can use it as an excuse to enter Gaza, we can say we're defending them :)
Title: Re: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Jkhein on November 20, 2012, 04:23:13 PM
they do give out the info. it was in bet-lehiya an Arab village
can you also give out the info? Source?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: jj1000 on November 20, 2012, 04:26:16 PM
can you also give out the info? Source?
He heard it in mikva :)
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Jkhein on November 20, 2012, 04:34:37 PM
He heard it in mikva :)
can't be, because I heard a different place, in Mikva.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: jj1000 on November 20, 2012, 04:36:01 PM
can't be, because I heard a different place, in Mikva.
lol, you must have been in a litvish mikva, they always have it wrong :P
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 20, 2012, 04:36:50 PM
lol, you must have been in a litvish mikva, they always have it wrong :P
Litvishers go to Mikva?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: ChasingTheDime on November 20, 2012, 04:40:35 PM
Litvishers go to Mikva?

twice a year, its why the info is 3 months out of date  ::)
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: jj1000 on November 20, 2012, 04:44:51 PM
twice a year, its why the info is 3 months out of date  ::)
ROFL!!!

Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 20, 2012, 04:47:37 PM
Channel 2 said now for sure no cease fire till tomorrow at least.
Seems like it was unilateral,  the Arabs kept saying we have it we have it while Israel was quiet, shows who has a bigger interest in a ceasefire...
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 20, 2012, 04:49:42 PM
I dont want to be the one always coming up with these ideas. But.
You do realise that the army and media are doing a great job here, on hiding and covering up info.
For example nobody can answer where the rocket fell in Jerusalem today, or if it was one or two rockets. I know they are telling us Palestinian area etc, but note that no names are given.
The reason for that has been stated many, many times
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Jkhein on November 20, 2012, 04:52:19 PM
The reason for that has been stated many, many times
there's more to it.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: hocker on November 20, 2012, 06:54:53 PM
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=472401819465501
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Yordai Dooma on November 20, 2012, 07:04:01 PM
http://irondomegame.com/
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: YudiG on November 20, 2012, 07:23:37 PM
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=472401819465501

amazing!

http://irondomegame.com/

c'mon...its way to addictive...who needs angry birds anymore?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Galitzyaner on November 20, 2012, 07:47:22 PM
I was always wondering why they were shooting rockets at Israel, now some Jerusalem pashekevil writers tell us.
The answer seems to lie in some "chilul kevarim" near Ramle!
(http://s1.kikar.net/th/data/auto/addonsmgr/ol/fszisdrx__w988h741q70.jpg)
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 20, 2012, 09:44:10 PM
I was always wondering why they were shooting rockets at Israel, now some Jerusalem pashekevil writers tell us.
The answer seems to lie in some "chilul kevarim" near Ramle!
A guy came to his Rosh Yeshivah to complain about a robbery in his home and he asked him what he should do "should I check my Mezuzos?". The R"Y answered "No. You should check the locks on your windows".
We usually don't get involved in Cheshbonos Shomayim but in this case its quite clear what caused this; the fact that we built a terrorist state in Gaza....
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: moish on November 21, 2012, 02:07:38 AM

We usually don't get involved in Cheshbonos Shomayim but in this case its quite clear what caused this; the fact that we built a terrorist state in Gaza....
how exactly did "we" build a terrorist state on gaza?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: YudiG on November 21, 2012, 02:08:39 AM
how exactly did "we" build a terrorist state on gaza?

he'll probably say oslo or gush katif
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: moish on November 21, 2012, 02:16:14 AM
are you suggesting that without either of them there wouldnt be rocket attacks??
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Deal Guy on November 21, 2012, 02:40:31 AM
are you suggesting that without either of them there wouldnt be rocket attacks??
Much less. If Israel would still be in Gush Katif, the Army would be securing the path from Israel to Gush Katif, thus breaking up alot of the free roaming that the terrorists have. Plus the terrorists would be more involved in hitting Gush Katif and driving those 10k people out, then hitting Sderot, Ashkelon, Ashdod.
And btw, Gush Katif was truly beautiful. :(
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: moish on November 21, 2012, 02:58:42 AM
so if i understand correctly, youre saying that rocket attacks against gush katif wouldnt have classified it as a terrorist state, only now that theyre hitting ashkelon etc
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Jkhein on November 21, 2012, 05:26:15 AM
BREAKING: Bomb exploded on bus in Central Tel Aviv. RL. 
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: rots5 on November 21, 2012, 05:42:34 AM
BREAKING: Bomb exploded on bus in Central Tel Aviv. RL.

Just saw it too. This is nuts. HASHEM yirachem!
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Galitzyaner on November 21, 2012, 06:29:31 AM
הירי מכיוון רצועת עזה ממשיך לגבות קורבנות: הותר לפרסום כי חייל צה"ל נהרג בשעות הצהריים (שלישי) מפגיעת ירי תלול-מסלול במועצה האזורית אשכול. החייל שנהרג הוא רב-טוראי יוסף פרטוק, בן 18 מהיישוב עמנואל. הודעה נמסרה למשפחתו. בתקרית נוספת, נהרג אזרח מנפילה בשטחי המועצה.
Very sad, heavy loss. HY" D
Fallen Soldier’s Diary: I’m On My Way to Gaza
Soldier Yosef Fartuk, killed in a mortar shell attack, wrote before his death,” Woe to the first terrorist who falls in my hands.”
See full article here (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162346#.UKyN5eRESBU)
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 21, 2012, 07:59:54 AM
A guy came to his Rosh Yeshivah to complain about a robbery in his home and he asked him what he should do "should I check my Mezuzos?". The R"Y answered "No. You should check the locks on your windows".
We usually don't get involved in Cheshbonos Shomayim but in this case its quite clear what caused this; the fact that we built a terrorist state in Gaza....
I though it was quite simple what i meant; there is a reason rockets are being fired from Gaza and not the West Bank, in the west bank the IDF is on the ground constantly nipping these things at the bud. When we pulled out of Gaza we paved the way for the Hamas to be elected, as well as greatly reducing our ability to monitor what's going on on the ground.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: moish on November 21, 2012, 10:25:46 AM
there is a fundamental difference between the west bank and gaza in that in gaza there is a possibility to smuggle weapons and materials from iran, as opposed to the west bank.
we didnt create this reality
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 21, 2012, 10:37:48 AM
Anyone interested in sending a morale booster, this has been going around FB:

Order a pizza (or two) from Pizza Roma in Ashdod 08-866-7000 (from abroad dial 011 972 8 8667000). They will send it to a family nearby. He'll deliver it to a family he thinks may need it

To help those in Sderot call 08-661-2007 (from abroad 011 972 8 661-2007). They will also deliver to a family in need (unfortunately the list is long).

They both accept credit card so you can really do this no matter where in the world you may be (and earn miles to help you get to Israel sooner).

Might not be Maser deductible, but it's $15 and shows them you care.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: AsherO on November 21, 2012, 10:40:32 AM
Anyone interested in sending a morale booster, this has been going around FB:

Order a pizza (or two) from Pizza Roma in Ashdod 08-866-7000 (from abroad dial 011 972 8 8667000). They will send it to a family nearby. He'll deliver it to a family he thinks may need it

To help those in Sderot call 08-661-2007 (from abroad 011 972 8 661-2007). They will also deliver to a family in need (unfortunately the list is long).

They both accept credit card so you can really do this no matter where in the world you may be (and earn miles to help you get to Israel sooner).

Might not be Maser deductible, but it's $15 and shows them you care.

A pie of pizza cost $15 in Israel, or only if you're ordering from the US?...
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 21, 2012, 10:41:44 AM
A pie of pizza cost $15, or only if you're ordering from the US?...
50 NIS, so about $14.
In JLM a kosher pie is about 65-70NIS and up
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: YudiG on November 21, 2012, 10:44:26 AM
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/General+News/146838/VIDEO%3A-IAF-Strikes-Destroy-Hamas-%27Government%27-Buildings.html
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Dan on November 21, 2012, 10:46:19 AM
Might not be Maser deductible, but it's $15 and shows them you care.
Why not?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 21, 2012, 10:51:43 AM
Why not?
Well if the people can afford it, it's more like sending someone flowers when they're sick, no?

Anyway, I'm not trying to pasken. Was just meant as contact a LOR if interested.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Dan on November 21, 2012, 10:52:41 AM
They will send it to a family nearby. He'll deliver it to a family he thinks may need it

They will also deliver to a family in need (unfortunately the list is long).
Well if the people can afford it, it's more like sending someone flowers when they're sick, no?
Which is it?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 21, 2012, 10:58:57 AM
Which is it?
I may have misunderstood, but I think it means in the need for an emotional boost
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: YudiG on November 21, 2012, 11:00:15 AM
@chaikel...maybe we should collect the $ and go to the local checkpoints and drop off pizza with the chayalim...
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: deals on November 21, 2012, 11:10:25 AM
Anyone interested in sending a morale booster, this has been going around FB:

Order a pizza (or two) from Pizza Roma in Ashdod 08-866-7000 (from abroad dial 011 972 8 8667000). They will send it to a family nearby. He'll deliver it to a family he thinks may need it

To help those in Sderot call 08-661-2007 (from abroad 011 972 8 661-2007). They will also deliver to a family in need (unfortunately the list is long).

They both accept credit card so you can really do this no matter where in the world you may be (and earn miles to help you get to Israel sooner).

Might not be Maser deductible, but it's $15 and shows them you care.

start a new thread about it
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: L'Chaim on November 21, 2012, 11:15:07 AM
@chaikel...maybe we should collect the $ and go to the local checkpoints and drop off pizza with the chayalim...

www.pizzaidf.com (http://www.pizzaidf.com) to send pizza or doughnuts to soldiers in the south.

Check here (http://theycallmeshev.blogspot.co.il/2012/11/what-can-you-do.html?m=1) for more things you can help/volunteer.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: jj1000 on November 21, 2012, 11:38:44 AM
@chaikel...maybe we should collect the $ and go to the local checkpoints and drop off pizza with the chayalim...
I remember giving soldiers in chevron pizza, their eyes light up it was pretty cool :)
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: YudiG on November 21, 2012, 11:43:12 AM
Security Message to U.S. Citizens
U.S. Consulate General Jerusalem
November 21, 2012
 
Effective immediately, the U.S. Consulate General has declared the Jerusalem light rail network to be off-limits to U.S. government employees until further notice. Official personnel and their family members continue to be prohibited from using public buses and bus terminals or stations.
 
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Post by: YudiG on November 21, 2012, 12:40:37 PM
hillary announces ceasefire......................................
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: jj1000 on November 21, 2012, 12:59:24 PM
hillary announces ceasefire......................................
so we are of the opinion that this is a bad thing?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 21, 2012, 01:00:13 PM
From My friends FB

Israel is always requested to respond "proportionately".

On which civilian Arab bus should Israel plant a bomb?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 21, 2012, 01:05:47 PM
so we are of the opinion that this is a bad thing?
NO, it's just not a good thing...
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: YudiG on November 21, 2012, 01:12:42 PM
so we are of the opinion that this is a bad thing?

horrible thing...compare it to us not finishing the job in 91 in iraq
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: mercaz1 on November 21, 2012, 01:16:15 PM
horrible thing...compare it to us not finishing the job in 91 in iraq
unfortunately when is the last time that Israel finished the job
this is how they will have to do it
hopefully they have a zero tolerance policy and if there is one rocket then they go in with the gloves off and not like 4 years ago when the rockets started up again right away
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: YudiG on November 21, 2012, 01:21:43 PM
unfortunately when is the last time that Israel finished the job
this is how they will have to do it
hopefully they have a zero tolerance policy and if there is one rocket then they go in with the gloves off and not like 4 years ago when the rockets started up again right away

ariel sharon in lebanon in 82'.....fact is us admin exerted heavy pressure behind the scenes...i think israeli public will be disapointed with bibi
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Post by: rots5 on November 21, 2012, 02:10:10 PM
ariel sharon in lebanon in 82'.....fact is us admin exerted heavy pressure behind the scenes...i think israeli public will be disapointed with bibi
Of course they will be bec these soldiers are down there for a week itching to go and not only that there own brothers are getting killed and what they have to do .... Is stop. Plus like u said they just want to finish the job already.   It's getting out of hand. 

Another thing that bothers me is that Hillary is most involved
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: how on November 21, 2012, 02:38:53 PM
Seems like a 1 way cease fire to me. Rockets still landing all over south. I guess they Hamas keeps Rabbeinu Tam Zman
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: JEWDA on November 21, 2012, 02:49:49 PM
Seems like a 1 way cease fire to me. Rockets still landing all over south. I guess they Hamas keeps Rabbeinu Tam Zman
That's how every ceasefire is overthere.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 21, 2012, 03:05:07 PM
I'd die to see how Bibi is doing in the polls tomorrow...
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: meshugener on November 21, 2012, 03:13:19 PM
What's going on here??? Do I have to go back to school learn the definition of ceasefire??

@KolHaolam: ISRAEL: 3 rockets fired into Eshkol Region since ceasefire. 1 of the soldiers hit earlier in rocket attack is in very critical condition.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 21, 2012, 03:16:07 PM
What's going on here??? Do I have to go back to school learn the definition of ceasefire??
We cease, they fire. What's so hard to understand?
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Post by: Ergel on November 21, 2012, 03:18:14 PM
We cease, they fire.
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Post by: meshugener on November 21, 2012, 03:37:46 PM
Ha ha, that's a good one...
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 21, 2012, 03:50:27 PM
Gaza-
Electricity: out
Phones: out
Cell phones: Hacked by Israel
Radio waves: Taken over by Israel
Smoke signals: Obscured by smoke from IAF attacks

The problem is, Hamas has no way to notify their people that there is a ceasefire
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: moish on November 21, 2012, 03:55:06 PM
right, but minutes after the bus bomb they were celebrating in the streets
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 21, 2012, 04:04:26 PM
http://bit.ly/TYI18y
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Deal Guy on November 21, 2012, 04:11:28 PM
so if i understand correctly, youre saying that rocket attacks against gush katif wouldnt have classified it as a terrorist state, only now that theyre hitting ashkelon etc
Of course it would have.
What im saying is,that the Gush Katif withdrawal was terrible for so many reasons.
In the West Bank, Israel has no problem going into Ramallah one night and taking care of business or arresting someone. Same used to be said about Gaza, since by protecting Gush Katif, Israel had a presense in Gaza, and would take care of things at night. Plus the enemy would concentrate more on the Gush Katif residents then by hitting all of Israel, plus the would'nt be able to shoot right near Israel's border since Israel was patrolling in Gaza, thus forcing those firing the rockets to fire from much further down south, having less of an effect on mainstream Israel . Now, Israel has no way of entering Gaza unless it becomes a massive invasion, which Israel wants to avoid at this time.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: HelpMe on November 21, 2012, 04:14:23 PM
Can someone explain what "finish the job" means? What is the end game here?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 21, 2012, 04:16:17 PM
Can someone explain what "finish the job" means? What is the end game here?
That once Hamas doesn't honor the ceasefire, Israel can swoop in and level the place.
#HeyICanDreamCantI
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 21, 2012, 04:18:25 PM
Tell me we dont live in Chelm...
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4310277,00.html
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 21, 2012, 04:38:03 PM
Tell me we dont live in Chelm...
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4310277,00.html
They did win. What did Israel accomplish? Knocked out a few missile launchers? Killed a few lieutenants?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: LeeW on November 21, 2012, 04:50:50 PM
They did win. What did Israel accomplish? Knocked out a few missile launchers? Killed a few lieutenants?
If hamas keeps to the ceasefire then its a huge win for Isarel. If not tho they'll have to do this all over again.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 21, 2012, 04:51:59 PM
If hamas keeps to the ceasefire then its a huge win for Isarel. If not tho they'll have to do this all over again.
Ya think?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 21, 2012, 04:52:11 PM
If hamas keeps to the ceasefire then its a huge win for Isarel. If not tho they'll have to do this all over again.
They fired rockets minutes after it started, no ifs about it
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: LeeW on November 21, 2012, 04:59:01 PM
They fired rockets minutes after it started, no ifs about it

Source?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Deal Guy on November 21, 2012, 05:01:47 PM
They fired rockets minutes after it started, no ifs about it
Minutes and hours after is no chiddush.
The question is what will be tomorrow.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: HelpMe on November 21, 2012, 05:01:54 PM
That once Hamas doesn't honor the ceasefire, Israel can swoop in and level the place.
#HeyICanDreamCantI
Nothing wrong with dreaming but I was serious with my question. It is easy to say “finish the job” but what does that entail? What other Arab countries will jump in? When that happens (not if) what is the US going to do?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: jj1000 on November 21, 2012, 05:10:43 PM
Nothing wrong with dreaming but I was serious with my question. It is easy to say “finish the job” but what does that entail? What other Arab countries will jump in? When that happens (not if) what is the US going to do?
I suppose when Hamas losses control of the region and they are no longer allowed in Gaza?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: YudiG on November 21, 2012, 05:21:06 PM
I'd die to see how Bibi is doing in the polls tomorrow...

ive been a long time bibi fan...i even sided with him and the obama/iran issue...but with the us and world - at least publicly behind him - this was the golden chance to do some damage to the terrorists

its long but i'll share this joke/story which illustrates

an arab walked into an israeli bank and handed the teller an unsigned check and asked to cash it...the teller looks at him like he is crazy and tells him he cant do it...the arab and him go back and forth for a while and after 15 minutes the arab gives up and leaves the bank.

he goes across the street to the other bank and asks the teller to cash the check...meanwhile the original teller sees this go on and notices that after just 1 minute, the arab runs out of the bank bloodied and beaten holding onto the ripped check..

the teller asks the arab, tell me what happened? why did we go back and forth for 15 minutes but at the other bank you came out running for your life after 60 seconds?

the arab replied, you told me you couldn't do it, the other teller explained it....

that my friends is the middle east conflict in a nutshell...this was our chance to do some explaining...but alas it was for naught...i highly doubt bibi will renege on the ceasefire and launch a ground op...but i hope he proves me wrong
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 21, 2012, 05:41:34 PM
Minutes and hours after is no chiddush.
The question is what will be tomorrow.
It was expected, the arab mentality demands that they be the last to fire so as not to lose face.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: AsherO on November 21, 2012, 05:48:38 PM
Nothing wrong with dreaming but I was serious with my question. It is easy to say “finish the job” but what does that entail? What other Arab countries will jump in? When that happens (not if) what is the US going to do?

I don't think we have to worry about other countries getting involved so quickly.

I think we should raze a certain area of Gaza (e.g. 2 houses, or 20, or whatever) for every rocket fired (after evacuating it), if there are casualties that number (the area razed) multiplies.  And I'm all for paying these gazans to leave, and paying their host countries to take them, as long as it's clear they're no longer welcome in Israel.
Title: Re: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Ergel on November 21, 2012, 06:13:12 PM
I don't think we have to worry about other countries getting involved so quickly.

I think we should raze a certain area of Gaza (e.g. 2 houses, or 20, or whatever) for every rocket fired (after evacuating it), if there are casualties that number (the area razed) multiplies.
Agreed (perhaps even without evacuating)


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And I'm all for paying these gazans to leave, and paying their host countries to take them, as long as it's clear they're no longer welcome in Israel.
In your dreams. No one wants these people. Look at the Palestinians still in dp camps since '48
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: LeeW on November 21, 2012, 06:36:08 PM
I don't think we have to worry about other countries getting involved so quickly.

I think we should raze a certain area of Gaza (e.g. 2 houses, or 20, or whatever) for every rocket fired (after evacuating it), if there are casualties that number (the area razed) multiplies.  And I'm all for paying these gazans to leave, and paying their host countries to take them, as long as it's clear they're no longer welcome in Israel.

Razing homes of Gazans who have done nothing wrong will rain the world's condemnation on Israel faster than you could blink. And the U.S. would probably agree with them . And they'd be right. You can't just go around razing people's houses whenever you want.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: AsherO on November 21, 2012, 06:38:23 PM
Razing homes of Gazans who have done nothing wrong will rain the world's condemnation on Israel faster than you could blink. And the U.S. would probably agree with them . And they'd be right. You can't just go around razing people's houses whenever you want.

They could leave, we'll give them a house in Jordan.

Let the world condemn all they want, if we're strong we will prevail. Giving into outside pressure has cost us too much for too long, we should finally grow a pair (collectively) and stand up for ourselves.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: meshugener on November 21, 2012, 06:54:02 PM
As Harav Kahane said, why don't we end up the second part of the exchange?
There had been 400,000 Jews who left Iraq and even more who left Iran and other Arab countries to settle in Israel during the years following '48, now let's deport an equal amount of Arabs from Israel to all these Arab countries.
That would be fair. Why were we left stuck with the first part of the exchange and didn't accomplish the second?
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Post by: HelpMe on November 21, 2012, 06:55:27 PM
Let the world condemn all they want, if we're strong we will prevail. Giving into outside pressure has cost us too much for too long, we should finally grow a pair (collectively) and stand up for ourselves.
It sounds good but it will not work. If other Arab nations get involved Israel does not have enough resources to fight a war on different fronts.
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Post by: Achas Veachas on November 21, 2012, 06:56:00 PM
Oh I forgot we have a Kahana fan here :))
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Post by: elikay on November 21, 2012, 07:12:56 PM
Oh I forgot we have a Kahana fan here :))
I thought he changed his mind ...
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: dirah on November 21, 2012, 07:27:41 PM
Let the world condemn all they want, if we're strong we will prevail. Giving into outside pressure has cost us too much for too long, we should finally grow a pair (collectively) and stand up for ourselves.
It sounds good but it will not work. If other Arab nations get involved Israel does not have enough resources to fight a war on different fronts.
In does have the resources, because it is the only reliable US ally in the middle east, and an alliance is a two-way street.
Why would/should/will the USA come through? View this:
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: HelpMe on November 21, 2012, 07:39:39 PM
In does have the resources, because it is the only reliable US ally in the middle east, and an alliance is a two-way street.
Why would/should/will the USA come through? View this:
I am still trying to figure out this two-way street. It looks more like a one-way street to me.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: dirah on November 21, 2012, 07:50:04 PM
I am still trying to figure out this two-way street. It looks more like a one-way street to me.
Your're right, it looks like a one-way street, because Israel doesn't hold the USA to it.
When they stand up and do just that, you will start seeing a two-way street.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: HelpMe on November 21, 2012, 08:02:25 PM
Your're right, it looks like a one-way street, because Israel doesn't hold the USA to it.
When they stand up and do just that, you will start seeing a two-way street.
What does the US get out of this?
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Post by: Ergel on November 21, 2012, 08:05:45 PM
I am still trying to figure out this two-way street. It looks more like a one-way street to me.
The us is very invested in the safety of Israel as it's singular true ally in the region. That being said, they would be just fine without Israel. Not so much the other way (from a monetary perspective and security council).

I agree there is no end game. But not because of other Arab nations but because Israel would never kill 35,000 people, even if they were militants. This conflict has no solution (other than the bias goel tzedek)

Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: dirah on November 21, 2012, 08:19:32 PM
What does the US get out of this?
For the sake of argument, let's say nothing... are you an isolationist?
Now to be practical, from an Islamic militant point of view, once Israel is out of the way, G-d forbid, the USA is next.
And they haven't been waiting too patiently in that regard either, do you remember how we got caught up in Afghanistan?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: HelpMe on November 21, 2012, 08:35:43 PM
For the sake of argument, let's say nothing... are you an isolationist?
Now to be practical, from an Islamic militant point of view, once Israel is out of the way, G-d forbid, the USA is next.
And they haven't been waiting too patiently in that regard either, do you remember how we got caught up in Afghanistan?
No I am not an isolationist and I do believe the US should and does support Israel but that does not change the fact that the US is on the short end of the stick on this deal. I hope the PM never tries to use the "USA is next" line on "O".
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Post by: HelpMe on November 21, 2012, 08:37:53 PM
And they haven't been waiting too patiently in that regard either, do you remember how we got caught up in Afghanistan?
Do you think are support of Israel had anything to do with this (911)?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 21, 2012, 08:38:39 PM
Back in the day when Israel's economy was way in the dumps and inflation sky high. One of the ideas brought up on the table by one of the ministers was to start a war with the US, and when America would inevitably win they would have to take over the fledgling Israel economy. The idea was vetoed by Golda Mayer who said (in her typical accent): "But what if we win? What will we do with the whole big America?"
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: HelpMe on November 21, 2012, 08:40:08 PM
Back in the day when Israel's economy was way in the dumps and inflation sky high. One of the ideas brought up on the table by one of the ministers was to start a war with the US, and when America would inevitably win they would have to take over the fledgling Israel economy. The idea was vetoed by Golda Mayer who said (in her typical accent): "But what if we win? What will we do with the whole big America?"
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Post by: WhyAich on November 21, 2012, 08:49:42 PM
Like!

+1
she was known for her lines :)
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: hocker on November 21, 2012, 09:00:57 PM
+1
she was known for her lines :)
I'm not going to post the one against a certain ethnic population.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: meshugener on November 21, 2012, 09:08:53 PM
Please..
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Post by: Achas Veachas on November 21, 2012, 09:46:55 PM
+1
she was known for her lines :)
I don't think this one was actually said you know...
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: sim on November 21, 2012, 09:53:38 PM
I'm not going to post the one against a certain ethnic population.
i think you are referring to ben gurion
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: hocker on November 21, 2012, 10:15:41 PM
i think you are referring to ben gurion
I hate the Arabs because...
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: meshugener on November 21, 2012, 10:29:09 PM
Because?
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Post by: chaimmayer on November 21, 2012, 10:37:29 PM
unfortunately it's still true
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: dirah on November 21, 2012, 10:40:24 PM
No I am not an isolationist and I do believe the US should and does support Israel but that does not change the fact that the US is on the short end of the stick on this deal.
So you mean to say that you're sort of an isolationist? Do we focus on what is right, or on self-interests?
I hope the PM never tries to use the "USA is next" line on "O".
You don't have to "use the line" on a rational person, he gets it anyways. As with regards to "O"...
Do you think are support of Israel had anything to do with this (911)?
I like to think that U.S. support for Israel is because it is the right thing to do. But if you want to argue from the point of self-interest and self-preservation, then of course it doesn't start with 911, it is the whole history and dynamics of the region.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: AsherO on November 22, 2012, 01:16:23 AM
It sounds good but it will not work. If other Arab nations get involved Israel does not have enough resources to fight a war on different fronts.

Not so quickly. If we can afford billions on military expenditures, we can spend that instead on resettling these people.

The us is very invested in the safety of Israel as it's singular true ally in the region. That being said, they would be just fine without Israel. Not so much the other way (from a monetary perspective and security council).

I agree there is no end game. But not because of other Arab nations but because Israel would never kill 35,000 people, even if they were militants. This conflict has no solution (other than the bias goel tzedek)

I disagree on all points:

1. US knows (but won't admit) it needs Israel, for intelligence, as a foothold, etc. etc.
2. Israel couldn't done much better for itself it it didn't take any $$ from the US after 1967. The arabs were shamed and afraid of us after 1967/1973 wars, and if Israel played that to their advantage they'd have a much smaller military budget and a much more prosperous economy (starting with Sinai oil). While it's too late to undo all of that overnight, we can slowly work towards that, and that begins with the Jewish pride Israel showed in '67/'73.
3. While we'll be in golus until bias goel tzedek (in English: we'll be i exile until the redemption of Messiah), there's a lot we could do in a golus world that we aren't doing, and it requires putting our foot down and stopping to such up to the USA so much. The cease-fire tonight was the ultimate sign of weakness, may HKB"H protect us all.

Do you think are support of Israel had anything to do with this (911)?

The cold war is unfortunately still simmering, it's insane to think that in 2012 the Russians are still interested in unrest in the midddle east :'(

Back in the day when Israel's economy was way in the dumps and inflation sky high. One of the ideas brought up on the table by one of the ministers was to start a war with the US, and when America would inevitably win they would have to take over the fledgling Israel economy. The idea was vetoed by Golda Mayer who said (in her typical accent): "But what if we win? What will we do with the whole big America?"

The 51st state, even before PR :D
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 22, 2012, 08:00:04 AM
i think you are referring to ben gurion
Not much of a difference, Israels Founding Fathers' attitude towards said ethnic group are well known (though admittedly probably better then Americas Founding Fathers' attitude to another ethnic group), although in this case I heard it in the name of BG too.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: jj1000 on November 22, 2012, 08:30:12 AM
I'm not going to post the one against a certain ethnic population.
I was discussing this war with a Muslim and he said just look at what the Israeli leaders hold and that shows why they persecute the Palestinians with out care for human life.

“The Palestinians” would be crushed like grasshoppers … heads smashed against the boulders and walls.” ” Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

“When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle.” Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.

“We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.” Israel Koenig, “The Koenig Memorandum”

“We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves.” Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.

“We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the destroyers. Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own.” (You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels, p. 155).
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 22, 2012, 08:46:46 AM
I was discussing this war with a Muslim and he said just look at what the Israeli leaders hold and that shows why they persecute the Palestinians with out care for human life.

“The Palestinians” would be crushed like grasshoppers … heads smashed against the boulders and walls.” ” Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

“When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle.” Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.

“We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.” Israel Koenig, “The Koenig Memorandum”

“We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves.” Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.

“We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the destroyers. Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own.” (You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels, p. 155).
As they say: "actions speak louder then words"
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on November 22, 2012, 09:06:44 AM
“The Palestinians” would be crushed like grasshoppers … heads smashed against the boulders and walls.” ” Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988
"would be" ???
Sounds like this is being quoted out of context

“When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle.” Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.
That's a military person saying "we won, deal with it". So what?

“We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.” Israel Koenig, “The Koenig Memorandum”

“We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves.” Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.

“We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the destroyers. Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own.” (You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels, p. 155).
The last 3 are worthless. I'm sure there are people who wrote "Memorandum", books, or are associated with re-election committees of mayors in the US, that have said worse about black people and slavery.
It's a typical propaganda move. Start with someone who means something, quote them saying something moderately offensive out of context, and end with some nut jobs. So every associates them together, and assumes that a PM of Israel said something crazy
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: YankyDoodle on November 22, 2012, 09:11:31 AM
I was discussing this war with a Muslim and he said just look at what the Israeli leaders hold and that shows why they persecute the Palestinians with out care for human life.

“The Palestinians” would be crushed like grasshoppers … heads smashed against the boulders and walls.” ” Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

“When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle.” Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.

“We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.” Israel Koenig, “The Koenig Memorandum”

“We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves.” Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.

“We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the destroyers. Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own.” (You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels, p. 155).

1) I never heard of any of these "leaders" (maybe just me showing my ignorance). 2)I want to see context before I believe any of them. 3) There are always going to be exceptions to the rule, but look at the typical palestinian (holding gun, shouting death to Jews) vs the typical Israeli (cleaning blood to respect those who were murdered).
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Post by: Chaikel on November 22, 2012, 09:15:07 AM
1) I never heard of any of these "leaders" (maybe just me showing my ignorance). 2)I want to see context before I believe any of them. 3) There are always going to be exceptions to the rule, but look at the typical palestinian (holding gun, shouting death to Jews) vs the typical Israeli (cleaning blood to respect those who were murdered).
Really? Cause I've never seen a Palestinian in real life holding a gun, but I've seen plenty of Israeli's holding guns yelling death to all arabs. Don't know what alternate reality you're living in
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: moish on November 22, 2012, 09:16:52 AM
you did? where?
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Post by: hocker on November 22, 2012, 09:20:16 AM
Really? Cause I've never seen a Palestinian in real life holding a gun, but I've seen plenty of Israeli's holding guns yelling death to all arabs. Don't know what alternate reality you're living in
Had you seen a Palestinian with a Gun you would have not been around to tell us the story :D
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: ChAiM'l on November 22, 2012, 09:20:29 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/28071_10151219428750889_449463707_n.jpg)
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Post by: Chaikel on November 22, 2012, 09:25:11 AM
Had you seen a Palestinian with a Gun you would have not been around to tell us the story :D
The "typical" Palestinian doesn't carry a gun
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 22, 2012, 09:27:03 AM
I was discussing this war with a Muslim and he said just look at what the Israeli leaders hold and that shows why they persecute the Palestinians with out care for human life.

“The Palestinians” would be crushed like grasshoppers … heads smashed against the boulders and walls.” ” Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

a mashup of 2 quotes from Shamir


Quote
''Anybody who wants to damage this fortress and other fortresses we are establishing will have his head smashed against the boulders and walls.''

Quote
''We say to them from the heights of this mountain and from the perspective of thousands of years of history that they are like grasshoppers compared to us.''

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Post by: Ergel on November 22, 2012, 09:41:59 AM
a mashup of 2 quotes from Shamir
I would be lol if it wasn't so offensive
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: YankyDoodle on November 22, 2012, 09:46:47 AM
Really? Cause I've never seen a Palestinian in real life holding a gun, but I've seen plenty of Israeli's holding guns yelling death to all arabs. Don't know what alternate reality you're living in

I suppose I was referring specifically to how Jews and Arabs seem to respond to death. At every Palestinian funeral that I have seen pictures of, there are tons of masked Muslims carrying guns and cursing Jews. Not so from what I've seen of Jewish funerals... Please correct me with pictorial evidence if I am mistaken
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Post by: Achas Veachas on November 22, 2012, 10:00:24 AM
a mashup of 2 quotes from Shamir



And as for the quote from Raphi Eitan; I don't think it's fair to quote a general trying to boost his soldiers' morale. Case in point - General Patton :)
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Side incomer on November 22, 2012, 10:42:03 AM
What does the US get out of this?
US has a mass interest of this. In today's days, US pretty much majorly lost their power they used to have over the world:
- Europe has today their own power, in form of the EU, and they make pretty much their own decisions, although on a similar path than the US, but still they have no obligation to the US's interests.
- Arab countries have long been against US interest, and as much the US will help them, they'll still kick US in the face (see: Libya, Pakistan etc...).
- Russia and China have proven to the world that they are doing whatever they want need, support whoever they want, and will anything against US's interest.

The only place US can still prove their leadership in the world is in the Israeli / Palestinian conflict, since Israel always felt for some reason extremely tied to the US, and extremely pressured from every work a US president will say.

Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: AsherO on November 22, 2012, 10:47:14 AM
US has a mass interest of this. In today's days, US pretty much majorly lost their power they used to have over the world:
- Europe has today their own power, in form of the EU, and they make pretty much their own decisions, although on a similar path than the US, but still they have no obligation to the US's interests.
- Arab countries have long been against US interest, and as much the US will help them, they'll still kick US in the face (see: Libya, Pakistan etc...).
- Russia and China have proven to the world that they are doing whatever they want need, support whoever they want, and will anything against US's interest.

The only place US can still prove their leadership in the world is in the Israeli / Palestinian conflict, since Israel always felt for some reason extremely tied to the US, and extremely pressured from every work a US president will say.

What you're saying just shows how pathetic the Israeli government is; They could be independent like everyone else, but they choose to be America's b**** and they're paying the price.



Now that we've agreed to a ceasefire, Mashaal is already saying they'll "accept" a retreat to 1967 borders + Jerusalem as the capital of their state + "Palestinian" right of return. See what concessions do for us? Zilch, nada, zero!
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Side incomer on November 22, 2012, 11:07:27 AM
What you're saying just shows how pathetic the Israeli government is; They could be independent like everyone else, but they choose to be America's b**** and they're paying the price.



Now that we've agreed to a ceasefire, Mashaal is already saying they'll "accept" a retreat to 1967 borders + Jerusalem as the capital of their state + "Palestinian" right of return. See what concessions do for us? Zilch, nada, zero!

100%

Israel has done the biggest mistake by not being independent. Now, they had a chance to prove once and forever their independence, after the world was not so harsh against them, + the world didn't get chilly to hear civilians dying any longer, after all this Arab spring. But they foolishly got pressured by Obama / Clinton = US.
They pretty much lost their chance. 
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: daganster on November 22, 2012, 11:26:20 AM
I don't buy the whole pressure thing it's time to grow some and make your own decisions. I think that's pathetic to keep on blaming the Us's pressure. Bush was against the destruction/expulsion of Gush Katif, nonetheless Israel went through with it. I'm not denying that there is pressure, but it's time to mature and make your own decisions.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: HelpMe on November 22, 2012, 12:11:23 PM
What you're saying just shows how pathetic the Israeli government is; They could be independent like everyone else, but they choose to be America's b**** and they're paying the price.
Do you really believe that Israel can take on the Arab world on their own and survive?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 22, 2012, 12:12:48 PM
Do you really believe that Israel can take on the Arab world on their own and survive?
Happened 3 times so far....
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: jj1000 on November 22, 2012, 12:13:00 PM
Do you really believe that Israel can take on the Arab world on their own and survive?
If they actually showed off their Nukes, then yes.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: HelpMe on November 22, 2012, 12:14:13 PM
US has a mass interest of this. In today's days, US pretty much majorly lost their power they used to have over the world:
- Europe has today their own power, in form of the EU, and they make pretty much their own decisions, although on a similar path than the US, but still they have no obligation to the US's interests.
...until they have a problem. Then who do they come crying to?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: mclovin on November 22, 2012, 12:15:45 PM
...until they have a problem. Then who do they come crying to?
hopefully god
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: HelpMe on November 22, 2012, 12:16:39 PM
Happened 3 times so far....
We know what happened in the past but do you believe that today?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 22, 2012, 12:18:14 PM
We know what happened in the past but do you believe that today?
No I don't but in the past no one believed it either....
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: HelpMe on November 22, 2012, 12:21:06 PM
If they actually showed off their Nukes, then yes.
So they do have nukes?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 22, 2012, 12:22:25 PM
So they do have nukes?
Shhhh Don't tell anyone... It's top secret :P
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: HelpMe on November 22, 2012, 12:25:28 PM
So you mean to say that you're sort of an isolationist? Do we focus on what is right, or on self-interests?
I state that the US should and does support Israel and you ask me these questions? What am I missing?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: HelpMe on November 22, 2012, 12:27:16 PM
Shhhh Don't tell anyone... It's top secret :P
They always want to play these word games I just thought someone had inside info.  :)
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 22, 2012, 12:29:54 PM
They always want to play these word games I just thought someone had inside info.  :)
Well... If you promise not to tell anyone... ;)
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: DrDanny on November 22, 2012, 12:41:17 PM
So they do have nukes?
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Israel
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: hocker on November 22, 2012, 12:41:39 PM
I would be lol if it wasn't so offensive

You're standing near an Arab?!
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: DrDanny on November 22, 2012, 12:43:05 PM
So they do have nukes?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Israel
Title: Re: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Ergel on November 22, 2012, 01:07:42 PM
You're standing near an Arab?!
I meant that the quote was offensive to me
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: LeeW on November 22, 2012, 01:17:00 PM
Happened 3 times so far....

This confuses me. If you mean without the help of the U.S. then yes, those wars were fought without the help of the U.S. which did not become decidedly pro-Israel till the mid 70's. But at that time Israel had the backing of France and to a lesser extent Russia, which supplied them with money and weapons. Without the help of those countries Israel is probably not around today. So Israel has always and will always continue to rely on other countries for her survival.
For all of you saying needs no stop listening to the U.S. first there is little source that Netanyahu was opposed to the ceasefire but was pressured by U.S. So slow down abit. Also, would there be strong pressure to broker a deal it would be suicidal for Israel to tell the U.S. to jump in a lake. Without U.S. military aid to Israel, the Arabs would attack in an instant. And without U.S. blocking the UNSC and UNGA, Israel would be arrested for war crimes many times over. 
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Post by: Galitzyaner on November 22, 2012, 02:11:48 PM
The cold war is unfortunately still simmering, it's insane to think that in 2012 the Russians are still interested in unrest in the midddle east :'(
Are you hinting Russian involvement in 9/11?!  (or in the current ME unrest?  Your statement was in response to 9/11 quote)
This confuses me. If you mean without the help of the U.S. then yes, those wars were fought without the help of the U.S. which did not become decidedly pro-Israel till the mid 70's. But at that time Israel had the backing of France and to a lesser extent Russia, which supplied them with money and weapons. Without the help of those countries Israel is probably not around today. So Israel has always and will always continue to rely on other countries for her survival.
For all of you saying needs no stop listening to the U.S. first there is little source that Netanyahu was opposed to the ceasefire but was pressured by U.S. So slow down abit. Also, would there be strong pressure to broker a deal it would be suicidal for Israel to tell the U.S. to jump in a lake. Without U.S. military aid to Israel, the Arabs would attack in an instant. And without U.S. blocking the UNSC and UNGA, Israel would be arrested for war crimes many times over.
Oy vey, @LeeW, your name says it all.  Won't even bother..
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: sky121 on November 22, 2012, 02:23:14 PM
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Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: YankyDoodle on November 22, 2012, 05:14:31 PM
And without U.S. blocking the UNSC and UNGA, Israel would be arrested for war crimes many times over.

Which prison might they house Israel in?
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: dirah on November 22, 2012, 05:44:33 PM
I state that the US should and does support Israel and you ask me these questions? What am I missing?

Statements such as these:
What does the US get out of this?
but that does not change the fact that the US is on the short end of the stick on this deal.

As an aside, just to throw into the discussion the following facts that you don’t hear from the media. According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamization_of_the_Gaza_Strip), Hamas is on a campaign to “end secularism and heresy in the Gaza Strip.” Their “achievements” so far include: coercion of women to wear Hijab, banning girls from riding behind men on motor scooters, banning women from dancing, banned women from smoking in public, forceful closing of Internet cafes and music shops, banning of concerts, widespread book banning, closing of entertainment sites, persecution of Christian Palestinians.
The eradication of Hamas is a better solution, not just for Israelis, but for the Arabs as well. Had the “peace process” never occurred, the quality of life for everyone on all sides of the fence would be far better than it is now.
The USA was key in getting us into this mess, they have a moral obligation to stand by us until the end, whatever that might be.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: ChAiM'l on November 22, 2012, 06:24:16 PM
Their “achievements” so far include: coercion of women to wear Hijab, banning girls from riding behind men on motor scooters, banning women from dancing, banned women from smoking in public, forceful closing of Internet cafes and music shops, banning of concerts, widespread book banning, closing of entertainment sites, persecution of Christian Palestinians.

Sounds like some people we know...
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: U-no-me! on November 22, 2012, 06:29:07 PM
Sounds like some people we know...

 ::)
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: jj1000 on November 22, 2012, 06:43:02 PM
Sounds like some people we know...
Oy...
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: HelpMe on November 22, 2012, 08:12:29 PM
The USA was key in getting us into this mess, they have a moral obligation to stand by us until the end, whatever that might be.
They have no moral obligation what so ever. You sound like a spoiled child. Now it is all the US’s (parents) fault.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: dirah on November 22, 2012, 08:23:25 PM
They have no moral obligation what so ever. You sound like a spoiled child. Now it is all the US’s (parents) fault.
Yep, if the parent is cause for child's issues, without which these issues wouldn't have happened, they are morally culpable.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: HelpMe on November 22, 2012, 08:27:45 PM
Yep, if the parent is cause for child's issues, without which these issues wouldn't have happened, they are morally culpable.
Maybe the child just needs a good spanking and sent to his room.  :P
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: dirah on November 22, 2012, 09:58:41 PM
Maybe the child just needs a good spanking and sent to his room.  :P
Yes, give the child a spanking for getting himself caught up in Gaza! It serves him right for letting himself be duped into participating in the Madrid talks with terrorist organizations, then on to the Oslo accords, the peace process, the infamous white-house handshake, the RoadMap and then finally, disengagement from Gaza!

Let Uncle (Daddy?) Sam give a good spanking to the child, and self-righteously proclaim that one does not negotiate with terrorists. Daddy Sam does not condone such behaviour!

It sounds like this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_blaming) is your preferred form of U.S. foreign policy!
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Galitzyaner on November 22, 2012, 10:03:23 PM
Sounds like some people we know...
Cut the bs please, that's wholly inaccurate.
::)
Don't your eye's hurt after rolling'em so much  ;D
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: bades on November 22, 2012, 10:39:46 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Israel

Pretty cool information
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: HelpMe on November 23, 2012, 06:15:35 AM
Yes, give the child a spanking for getting himself caught up in Gaza! It serves him right for letting himself be duped into participating in the Madrid talks with terrorist organizations, then on to the Oslo accords, the peace process, the infamous white-house handshake, the RoadMap and then finally, disengagement from Gaza!

Let Uncle (Daddy?) Sam give a good spanking to the child, and self-righteously proclaim that one does not negotiate with terrorists. Daddy Sam does not condone such behaviour!

It sounds like this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_blaming) is your preferred form of U.S. foreign policy!
Sounds like someone (Israel) is not happy and thinks the grass is greener on the other side. Last time I check the door is not locked and you (Israel) can leave (the arrangement) any time.

Now back to reality. This is one big political game. Israel will try an extract as much as they can from the US without pi**ing them off too much. The US will use this against them to get what they feel is in their best interest.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: jj1000 on November 23, 2012, 07:08:20 AM
@HelpMe 3 billion a year is a drop in the bucket of the US defense spending and to have a very strong democratic ally in the middle east I think that's well worth it. Whether it is for spy information, example the joint projects they've done against Iran which is mutually benifitial, or just a place they know is a line of defense against terrorism that could come to the US. In addition Israel has contributed significantly to world technology. And for 3 billion dollars a year theUS is allowing all these great things to happen. Israel truly wouldn't be as far a long today if it weren't for US aid, but I do believe its worth it. For heavens sake we give some 2 billion to Egypt every year what the heck did that ever do for the US?

Another factor is the US Jewish population is very influential in congress and lobiests run this country, so when ever you discuss this you have to keep I'm mind the pressure from US Jews and Christians that want our government to give them aid. A country must do what its citizens want right?

Eta- just Google Israel achivments ans you can be very satisfied at what type of country Israel is and what they have accomplished. My favorite is a smart chip that is in every new cell phone. Tell that to all the people who refuse to use Israeli products...

Also something that baffels me is that if the palastinian/Hamas type people lived in the US and tried to establish their way of life by oppressing women and killing homosexuals then the ACLU and every liberal rights group will demand they be brought to justice, but when they do this stuff across the globe those same people say give them their own country. Just confuses me.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 23, 2012, 08:34:03 AM
WTF ???
http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4310858,00.html
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: HelpMe on November 23, 2012, 09:48:32 AM
@jj1000 – I am all for giving more aid to Israel. I am just stick and tired of this crying/complaining that US is not a strong allied. Don’t ask/lobby for someone’s help and then blame them for your problems when you get it. 
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: moish on November 24, 2012, 12:17:49 PM
Happened 3 times so far....
not quite...
in '73, if the US wouldnt have supplied israel at the 11th hour, the landscape would be a lot different today
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Post by: U-no-me! on November 25, 2012, 03:28:22 AM
LOL

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Post by: moish on November 28, 2012, 07:56:50 AM
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Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Steven on November 29, 2012, 12:35:02 PM
I am friends with someone at NJIT and he just forwarded this message to me.
I found it very touching and heartwarming. (btw the guy who was the head of project that developed Iron Dome is  shomer shabbos)

Subject: FW: A message of gratitude

    From: SACHER ARI [mailto:aris@rafael.co.il]
    Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 8:47 AM
    To: Elliot Brandt; Brian Abrahams; Natalie Lascar; Alicia Mog
    Subject: A message of gratitude

    Elliot, Brian, Natalie, Alicia, hi.


    Now that the bullets have stopped flying, I wanted to pass this message to as many people as I know, but especially to those who dedicate their lives to the State of Israel. The message is from me, and me only. Please feel free to pass it to anyone pertinent.

    Without a doubt, Operation Defensive Shield would have looked very different had Iron dome not been operational. The system intercepted hundreds of rockets that were headed straight into the heart of residential areas. Iron Dome saved lives, protected property, and gave people a sense of security, something that they had been missing for more than a decade. Iron Dome was the product of the hard work of unbelievably dedicated and talented people. On Thursday I came to work only to see some friends of mine run out of the building, telling me they were "off to set up a battery in Tel Aviv". Turns out that they worked for 48 hours straight, into Shabbat, not pausing to change their clothing, shower, or even to eat, but they set up that battery. And three hours later, that battery shot down a Fajr-5 headed straight for Tel Aviv.

    Since 2010, the people of the United States of America have given the State of Israel nearly 300 million dollars for the procurement of Iron Dome. Another 600 million has been allocated. You people should know that Iron Dome  batteries that were funded with American money played a critical part in the conflict.  Your money, your help, saved lives. There are people walking around today who are eating falafel, learning Torah, or just playing with their children, who would not be here today if it were not for the United States of America. To this end, no words will ever suffice.
    But let me try: Thank you.     

    And may G-d Almighty bless America.

 
    Cheers,   

    Ari                                                                           

    Ari Sacher

    System Development

    Short Range Missile Defense

    Rafael
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: sawlw on November 29, 2012, 01:22:06 PM
I am friends with someone at NJIT and he just forwarded this message to me.
I found it very touching and heartwarming. (btw the guy who was the head of project that developed Iron Dome is  shomer shabbos)

Subject: FW: A message of gratitude

    From: SACHER ARI [mailto:aris@rafael.co.il]
    Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 8:47 AM
    To: Elliot Brandt; Brian Abrahams; Natalie Lascar; Alicia Mog
    Subject: A message of gratitude

    Elliot, Brian, Natalie, Alicia, hi.


    Now that the bullets have stopped flying, I wanted to pass this message to as many people as I know, but especially to those who dedicate their lives to the State of Israel. The message is from me, and me only. Please feel free to pass it to anyone pertinent.

    Without a doubt, Operation Defensive Shield would have looked very different had Iron dome not been operational. The system intercepted hundreds of rockets that were headed straight into the heart of residential areas. Iron Dome saved lives, protected property, and gave people a sense of security, something that they had been missing for more than a decade. Iron Dome was the product of the hard work of unbelievably dedicated and talented people. On Thursday I came to work only to see some friends of mine run out of the building, telling me they were "off to set up a battery in Tel Aviv". Turns out that they worked for 48 hours straight, into Shabbat, not pausing to change their clothing, shower, or even to eat, but they set up that battery. And three hours later, that battery shot down a Fajr-5 headed straight for Tel Aviv.

    Since 2010, the people of the United States of America have given the State of Israel nearly 300 million dollars for the procurement of Iron Dome. Another 600 million has been allocated. You people should know that Iron Dome  batteries that were funded with American money played a critical part in the conflict.  Your money, your help, saved lives. There are people walking around today who are eating falafel, learning Torah, or just playing with their children, who would not be here today if it were not for the United States of America. To this end, no words will ever suffice.
    But let me try: Thank you.     

    And may G-d Almighty bless America.

 
    Cheers,   

    Ari                                                                           

    Ari Sacher

    System Development

    Short Range Missile Defense

    Rafael

huh? Pillar of defense / עמוד הענן
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: L'Chaim on November 29, 2012, 02:42:46 PM
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: daganster on November 30, 2012, 12:24:47 AM
That's cute. I don't really get the point of Israel always making a point to explain to the world that they have a right to defend themselves, but they never do!
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: HelpMe on November 30, 2012, 12:42:03 AM
    Since 2010, the people of the United States of America have given the State of Israel nearly 300 million dollars for the procurement of Iron Dome. Another 600 million has been allocated. You people should know that Iron Dome  batteries that were funded with American money played a critical part in the conflict.  Your money, your help, saved lives. There are people walking around today who are eating falafel, learning Torah, or just playing with their children, who would not be here today if it were not for the United States of America. To this end, no words will ever suffice.
    But let me try: Thank you.     

    And may G-d Almighty bless America
.
That is what true allies are for.
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Side incomer on December 03, 2012, 01:28:13 PM
Shocking how far the lefties can go:

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/it-s-time-for-israel-to-talk-to-hamas.premium-1.482124
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: moish on February 14, 2013, 03:07:01 AM
anyone know why there is a siren going off now??!!!   
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Deal Guy on February 14, 2013, 03:08:55 AM
anyone know why there is a siren going off now??!!!   
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/1,7340,L-4344913,00.html
Title: Re: Israeli airstrike kills Hamas leader
Post by: Chaikel on February 14, 2013, 03:10:21 AM
Lol. Was gonna post it last night and forgot