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Title: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: jj1000 on January 14, 2013, 07:55:01 PM
Having this argument recently any opinions? Found this http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/law-school/175684-who-work-harder-law-students-med-lawyer-vs-doctor.html but not much else. I didn't read the whole thread, but looks like most say law school.
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: Mocha on January 14, 2013, 08:40:29 PM
Are you talking about working once they graduate? I'd say law.
In school? I'd definitely say Med.
Title: Re: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: sky121 on January 14, 2013, 08:46:08 PM
Are you talking about working once they graduate? I'd say law.
In school? I'd definitely say Med.

Based on my own observation of people I know who went through Law and Medical school I would agree.

Probably best off asking someone whose done both. :)
Title: Re: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: Mocha on January 15, 2013, 11:28:38 AM
Probably best off asking someone whose done both. :)
I happen to know one guy whose doing both.
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: Dan on January 15, 2013, 11:48:21 AM
I happen to know one guy whose doing both.
For what purpose?
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: L'Chaim on January 15, 2013, 01:07:08 PM
I have a friend that failed the entry exam for medical school so he decided to go for law... ::)
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: Mocha on January 15, 2013, 02:39:37 PM
For what purpose?
partially because he's mad confused. But supposedly you can get pretty neat jobs with that combo like being a lawyer for medical lawsuits.
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: rots5 on January 15, 2013, 03:42:26 PM
Having this argument recently any opinions? Found this http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/law-school/175684-who-work-harder-law-students-med-lawyer-vs-doctor.html but not much else. I didn't read the whole thread, but looks like most say law school.

U basing ur decision in this :-) do both.  ;D and then get back to us
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: eliteflyer on January 15, 2013, 03:45:48 PM
I'm finishing law school and my wife is in optometry school. From conversations with her and her med school friends, optomotery and med school are fairly similar in first year course subjects and load.

As far as I can tell, law school is much more relaxed than medical school, but my wife sees my course work and studies and insists its the opposite. So, the bottom line seams to be that it depends on what type of learner you are, your skills and your study habits.

I love not having to memorize details of biology,  histology and anatomy and I got dizzy every time I saw the orgo materials she studied in pre-med. I also can't stand the sight of blood. On the flip side, she finds legal writing and reasoning to be convoluted and mystifying, and would dread the thought of being subjected to the socratic method in a classroom of 150 students.
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: henche on January 15, 2013, 04:09:19 PM
I'm finishing law school and my wife is in optometry school. From conversations with her and her med school friends, optomotery and med school are fairly similar in first year course subjects and load.

As far as I can tell, law school is much more relaxed than medical school, but my wife sees my course work and studies and insists its the opposite. So, the bottom line seams to be that it depends on what type of learner you are, your skills and your study habits.

I love not having to memorize details of biology,  histology and anatomy and I got dizzy every time I saw the orgo materials she studied in pre-med. I also can't stand the sight of blood. On the flip side, she finds legal writing and reasoning to be convoluted and mystifying, and would dread the thought of being subjected to the socratic method in a classroom of 150 students.

She can always use the henche method.

Property Professor: Mr. ****, what is tacking?
henche: I don't know.
(property professor asks the next person, henche gets an A in the course)
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: jj1000 on January 15, 2013, 04:11:34 PM
She can always use the henche method.

Property Professor: Mr. ****, what is tacking?
henche: I don't know.
(property professor asks the next person, henche gets an A in the course)
Seems like so classes will decide a borderline grades based on class participation. I suppose if you know you'll ace the exam your method makes sense.
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: AJK on January 15, 2013, 04:18:44 PM
partially because he's mad confused. But supposedly you can get pretty neat jobs with that combo like being a lawyer for medical lawsuits.

+1, they make excellent witnesses for personal injury lawsuits.

Some can make a few thousand an hour.
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: YankyDoodle on January 15, 2013, 05:12:58 PM
Are you talking about working once they graduate? I'd say law.
In school? I'd definitely say Med.

The first 2 years of Law School is definitely more intense than the first 2 years of med school. After that it flips entirely. 3rd year med (rotations) and residency (especially in the more competitive fields [surgery, plastics etc]) is basically giving your life to the job. 3rd year Law is supposed to be pretty easy as is 4th year med.

It's also important to keep in mind that in Law school you are fighting for a job whereas in med at most you're fighting for a specialty.
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: michael on January 15, 2013, 09:51:23 PM
I found the first year of law school to be extremely difficult.

The last two years were a breeze.
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: YankyDoodle on January 16, 2013, 11:08:24 AM
I found the first year of law school to be extremely difficult.

The last two years were a breeze.

Many of my law school friends said similar (with some variation on year 2). Def. seems to be 1>2>3 in terms of difficulty adjusting and influence on career.
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: AJK on January 16, 2013, 03:29:13 PM
Difficulty for me was 2>1>3.

Importance for a job 1>2>3.
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: whYME on January 17, 2013, 03:15:37 PM
I'm not really sure about Law vs Med School, but I know engineering is supposed to be take an insane amount of work...
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: Yossi. on January 17, 2013, 06:47:22 PM
Are you talking about working once they graduate? I'd say law.
In school? I'd definitely say Med.
-1
Night Shifts.. On Call...
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: jj1000 on January 17, 2013, 08:52:09 PM
-1
Night Shifts.. On Call...
From what I've heard standard for law graduates now a days is 12 hour work days plus many weekends.
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: Yossi. on January 17, 2013, 09:02:35 PM
From what I've heard standard for law graduates now a days is 12 hour work days plus many weekends.
Only 12 hours?!?! Good for them!!
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: yare on January 17, 2013, 09:06:44 PM
From what I've heard standard for law graduates now a days is 12 hour work days plus many weekends.
doctors during residency are pulling 36 hour shifts on a regular basis
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: jj1000 on January 17, 2013, 09:23:14 PM
doctors during residency are pulling 36 hour shifts on a regular basis
Daily? For many years?
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: yare on January 17, 2013, 09:25:46 PM
Daily? For many years?
i believe residency is 2 years,  it could be it varies depending on type of doctor though, not sure
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: Yossi. on January 17, 2013, 09:27:15 PM
3-6 years. Depending on your specialty and if you choose to do a fellowship afterwards
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: aussiebochur on January 17, 2013, 09:34:40 PM
Daily? For many years?
36 hours in a day...lol
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: Dan on January 17, 2013, 09:45:37 PM
A lawyer has to work harder overall after school to get ahead even if a doc has it harder for the first few years.
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: yare on January 17, 2013, 09:51:39 PM
A lawyer has to work harder overall after school to get ahead even if a doc has it harder for the first few years.
depends on the lawyer.   if he's working in a big firm in the city, ya.   but if he's working at a smaller firm or various other places, the hours are much more reasonable.  noone in america works 8 hours days anymore.     
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: Dan on January 17, 2013, 09:57:34 PM
depends on the lawyer.   if he's working in a big firm in the city, ya.   but if he's working at a smaller firm or various other places, the hours are much more reasonable.  noone in america works 8 hours days anymore.     
I know lawyers in small/medium size firms here and they consistently work over 12 hours/day, 5-6 days a week.
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: Yossi. on January 17, 2013, 09:58:55 PM
depends on the lawyer.   if he's working in a big firm in the city, ya.   but if he's working at a smaller firm or various other places, the hours are much more reasonable.  noone in america works 8 hours days anymore.   
+1 and go to the smallest hospital in america, residents will still pull insane hours
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: Dan on January 17, 2013, 10:01:42 PM
+1 and go to the smallest hospital in america, residents will still pull insane hours
Again, that's just for a few years.
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: Yossi. on January 17, 2013, 10:04:29 PM
Again, that's just for a few years.
-1
After residency, many doctors still work in hospitals, have their private practice, are on call, work on shabbos for some and sunday for most and have mandatory trainings and exams to take all the way till retirement.
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: YankyDoodle on January 18, 2013, 10:08:26 AM
It definitely depends on everyone's personal situation. A lawyer who wants to make partner in NYC is going to word harder than a GP. However a neurosurgeon is going to work harder than just about any lawyer out there... Lets not forget the stress of the jobs cannot be compared...worst case scenarios and all. Also residency is nothing to poopoo at. For surgery residencies can easily be 7+ years of literal slave labor (I don't think many typical lawyers have it that bad for that long) getting paid practically bupkis. Round at 4am, prep for surgery at 6, on your feet in surgery all day. End of day rounds at 6pm (on good days) get home in time to tuck your kids in at 7:30/8pm. That's a typical day for an attending forget about a resident!

Average lawyers have to fight for a job and money so they have their stress too.
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: henche on January 18, 2013, 10:30:12 AM
Lets not forget the stress of the jobs cannot be compared...worst case scenarios and all.

Exactly. If you're a doctor and mess up: worst case its wrongful death. So what are we talking? A couple mil? 50 mil?
I worked on deals as a summer associate that had more than that at stake (that is, at stake to be lost to the IRS if we messed up).

In any event, y'all should stop comparing residents with attorneys. We get it; training takes longer as a doctor. Compare working at a large law firm in NYC (or DC, or ORD, or BOS) to being a practicing doctor. And unless you are hard gunning neuro guy, the lawyers are working harder every day of the week.
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: jj1000 on January 18, 2013, 10:39:00 AM
Exactly. If you're a doctor and mess up: worst case its wrongful death. So what are we talking? A couple mil? 50 mil?
I worked on deals as a summer associate that had more than that at stake (that is, at stake to be lost to the IRS if we messed up).
Spoken like a true cold hearted lawyer. A person losing their life because of you-no big deal, millions of dollars-big deal.
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: henche on January 18, 2013, 11:04:52 AM
Spoken like a true cold hearted lawyer. A person losing their life because of you-no big deal, millions of dollars-big deal.

In fact, doctors are the ones who decide how much lives are worth all the time. Whenever they develop a protocol for when to test for something or how to treat something, they are taking the cost into account and valuing that against the chances of saving lives.

I'm just doing Section 351 transactions and Section 368 reorganizations.
Title: Re: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: elikay on January 18, 2013, 11:08:55 AM
Spoken like a true cold hearted lawyer. A person losing their life because of you-no big deal, millions of dollars-big deal.
Like!
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: YankyDoodle on January 18, 2013, 12:51:46 PM
Exactly. If you're a doctor and mess up: worst case its wrongful death. So what are we talking? A couple mil? 50 mil?
I worked on deals as a summer associate that had more than that at stake (that is, at stake to be lost to the IRS if we messed up).

In any event, y'all should stop comparing residents with attorneys. We get it; training takes longer as a doctor. Compare working at a large law firm in NYC (or DC, or ORD, or BOS) to being a practicing doctor. And unless you are hard gunning neuro guy, the lawyers are working harder every day of the week.

I truly hope you are being facetious. I was not trying to put down what lawyers do and that their work is serious... but com'on.

You cannot disregard the residency years, they can easily be 1/4 of someones working career. You are choosing to compare the top guns of law vs the bottom feeders of medicine. As I mentioned in my previous post it would only be fair to compare the big law guys to the top surgery docs and likewise for those lower down the totem pole.

Bottom line; everyone works hard. The same lawyer gunning for big law would be the med student gunning for plastics. The real question is who would have more success a, accomplished doc starting over in law or the opposite?
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: good sam on January 18, 2013, 01:05:13 PM
Who are the 4 guys who voted law school?  Med school is, without question, significantly harder and more demanding.  I was a law student, felt like I was on vacation compared to my med/dental school friends.
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: sky121 on January 18, 2013, 01:10:30 PM
Who are the 4 guys who voted law school?  Med school is, without question, significantly harder and more demanding.  I was a law student, felt like I was on vacation compared to my med/dental school friends.

Maybe 4 guys at Law school who didn't feel like they were on vacation?
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: yare on January 20, 2013, 01:11:12 PM
Maybe 4 guys at Law school who didn't feel like they were on vacation?
there are serious hard workers everywhere who will take things very seriously, it's a personality disorder (:P)          but in terms of strictly medical school v law school, i think most people would tell you med school is much more intense and work intensive, no matter what your personality.

especially if you do very well in law school in the beginning, there's quite a bit of coasting you can do later on (though it's possible in todays economy it might not be that way as much as it used to be)
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: ADanFan on January 20, 2013, 03:29:37 PM
this cool, very recent viral Cover Letter
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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/kid-sends-perfectly-blunt-cover-letter-for-wall-street-internship--and-now-tons-of-people-are-trying-to-hire-him-151518002.html
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: whYME on January 22, 2013, 10:16:04 PM
The Deceptive Income of Physicians (http://benbrownmd.wordpress.com/)
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: solls108 on March 30, 2015, 11:53:16 PM
Bump.

MED
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: Aj3042 on March 30, 2015, 11:56:03 PM
Bump.

MED
For sure-not even a question.
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: sara b on March 31, 2015, 12:08:20 AM
I think it depends-- you can't have a job while in med school, whereas in law school, you can work full time and still be in class. The year and a half that I worked full time and was in class at night was extremely difficult. Also, studying for and taking the bar (while making trips at Target at night to pick up REDcards) :) were some of the most difficult months of my life. With that being said, I really only had one difficult semester of law school when I had 4 finals, and the rest of school was pretty straightforward and not too crazy.
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: CS91 on March 31, 2015, 12:13:14 AM
I think the med school path is more difficult up until you get into med school. Once in graduate school, I think the law path is more difficult simply because it seems like once you get into med school, you're more likely to get a job than someone is to get a law job once in law school.
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: thaber on March 31, 2015, 12:45:46 AM
Exactly. If you're a doctor and mess up: worst case its wrongful death. So what are we talking? A couple mil? 50 mil?
I worked on deals as a summer associate that had more than that at stake (that is, at stake to be lost to the IRS if we messed up).

In any event, y'all should stop comparing residents with attorneys. We get it; training takes longer as a doctor. Compare working at a large law firm in NYC (or DC, or ORD, or BOS) to being a practicing doctor. And unless you are hard gunning neuro guy, the lawyers are working harder every day of the week.
Man, they take you far too seriously around here.
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: michael on March 31, 2015, 12:54:04 AM
Man, they take you far too seriously around here.

I just finished a conference call. Partner that ran the call is over 75 years old and is waking up at 5:00!
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: thaber on March 31, 2015, 12:59:08 AM
by the way, do lawyers in LAX work less?
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: AJK on March 31, 2015, 01:17:57 AM
I just finished a conference call. Partner that ran the call is over 75 years old and is waking up at 5:00!
'

smh
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: henche on March 31, 2015, 07:54:41 AM
I've actually changed my mind on this one. Most people only work a few years in biglaw, and then go work at a job with much normaler hours. So I've started to think of the first few years as being a highly overpaid residency.

Lawyers win.
Title: Re: Who works harder Law students or Med students?
Post by: kangarruu on March 31, 2015, 08:53:16 AM
I've actually changed my mind on this one. Most people who start in biglaw only work a few years in biglaw, and then go work at a job with much normaler hours. So I've started to think of the first few years as being a highly overpaid residency.

Lawyers win.

FTFY. Most people don't end up in biglaw in the first place (and prefer it. 35 hours per week for the win).