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Title: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: Dan on June 30, 2010, 12:47:06 AM
Code lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.

http://matrix1.itasoftware.com/cvg/dispatch/guest

Using

Searching a one-way from LGA-CLE on 07/06 comes up $500 for a nonstop.
To find a hidden-city ticket:
Search for a one-way from LGA::CLE and then going to CLE and cities within 300 miles and it will come up with the same non-stop flight (along with a throw-away leg to PIT) for $140.
Just don't do it too often and don't check luggage!

There's lots of other useful codes if people want similar demonstrations.
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: aussiebochur on June 30, 2010, 02:28:12 AM
There is a massive thread on FT with these kind of things but you have you have to read 100's of posts to try and understand the codes they use.
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: youG on June 30, 2010, 08:34:19 AM
Wow very cool! Is there a way to do it for round trips?
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: steve2 on June 30, 2010, 10:36:41 AM
Wow very cool! Is there a way to do it for round trips?

 sure its called Rinse and Repeat

 so per Dans post lets say the hidden city was FNT(Flint ,Mi) so for the way there t would be LGA-CLE-FNT with you walking away at CLE , you cant do a r/t since you never will be at FNT so for the return do CLE::LGA and find hopefully something from LGA to say BOS and walk away at LGA

 most people do an honest tkt to their final destination and only a hidden city for the way back, otherwise you are pushing it by doing 2 hidden citys which if caught and Yes people do get caught at times , its alot harder to justify why your trip had 2 hiddens to hit, alot easier when theres just 1. you would also have to book each as 1 ways which usually but not always will cost more then a r/t.

thats why the hidden city is usally the last segment of the whole trip which was purchased as a r/t, but 2 1 ways at times will price out the same as a r/t so then a person can do 2 1 ways
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: Chaikel on June 30, 2010, 10:41:53 AM
you would also have to book each as 1 ways which usually but not always will cost more then a r/t.
It rarely cost more to book 2 oneways on dowestic
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: Dan on June 30, 2010, 10:53:37 AM
It rarely cost more to book 2 oneways on dowestic
It depends on the market.  In CLE a RT on CO is always cheaper than a OW except on routes that directly compete with Southwest like ORD or BWI.
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: Dan on June 30, 2010, 10:54:20 AM
There is a massive thread on FT with these kind of things but you have you have to read 100's of posts to try and understand the codes they use.

Yup, I figured I'd just take 1 at a time and give a practical use for it.
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: aussiebochur on June 30, 2010, 11:07:35 AM
Yup, I figured I'd just take 1 at a time and give a practical use for it.
Plan on divulging everything?
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: The Travelin Man on June 30, 2010, 11:52:30 AM
Dan,

You surely wouldn't advise using your FF number on this type of flight, no?  Would you think you could get away with it once and have the miles post (say, with a reasonable excuse), or would it be worth risking having your account frozen?
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: deals on June 30, 2010, 05:34:54 PM
Dan,

You surely wouldn't advise using your FF number on this type of flight, no?  Would you think you could get away with it once and have the miles post (say, with a reasonable excuse), or would it be worth risking having your account frozen?


i really dont think they will freeze your account for that
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: yare on June 30, 2010, 06:00:22 PM
Code lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.

http://matrix.itasoftware.com

Searching a one-way from LGA-CLE on 07/06 comes up $500 for a nonstop.
To find a hidden-city ticket:
Search for a one-way from LGA::CLE and then going to CLE and cities within 300 miles and it will come up with the same non-stop flight (along with a throw-away leg to PIT) for $140.
Just don't do it too often and don't check luggage!

There's lots of other useful codes if people want similar demonstrations.
that's great.  more demonstrations please


is there any way to pick that the stopover should be in cle or do you just have to skim through the results until you find one with a stopover in cle?
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: Chaikel on June 30, 2010, 06:10:51 PM
that's great.  more demonstrations please


is there any way to pick that the stopover should be in cle or do you just have to skim through the results until you find one with a stopover in cle?
You don't seem to pay attention
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: Dan on June 30, 2010, 06:19:32 PM
that's great.  more demonstrations please


is there any way to pick that the stopover should be in cle or do you just have to skim through the results until you find one with a stopover in cle?
Did you try it? Every stopover shown is in CLE with that code!
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: youG on June 30, 2010, 06:31:49 PM
Please tell us more this is so cool!!!
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: yare on June 30, 2010, 06:43:33 PM
lol, i did it without putting in the code.   just switched from non stop to 1 stop and then looked through for the cle stopover...   code is certainly much easier

when does it pay to look for hidden city ticks in general?  short hop domestic, trans-atl. etc?
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: youG on June 30, 2010, 06:51:48 PM
lol, i did it without putting in the code.   just switched from non stop to 1 stop and then looked through for the cle stopover...   code is certainly much easier

but then you have to put in the cities within 300 miles and find cheapest with stopover now that Dan wrote pit made it easier but with this code you don't have to !!
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: YOSEF on June 30, 2010, 07:41:54 PM
lol, i did it without putting in the code.   just switched from non stop to 1 stop and then looked through for the cle stopover...   code is certainly much easier

when does it pay to look for hidden city ticks in general?  short hop domestic, trans-atl. etc?
My experience tells me transcontinental (lax-ewr, add a leg to bos or rdu), and very short haul, (phl to nyc, add a leg to rdu).
I'm assuming the reason being that the trans-con. is usually alot more expensive for a non-stop, and so is a short haul.
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: exfallsburg on July 02, 2010, 10:08:28 AM
Google to buy travel software co ITA for $700 million (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE66050K20100702)

Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: Dan on July 02, 2010, 10:17:33 AM
Google to buy travel software co ITA for $700 million (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE66050K20100702)


That could be very bad or very good...wait and see!
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: Monsey on July 05, 2010, 05:45:48 PM
Not accurate. For example dtw::nyc to nyc (including airports within 300 miles) on aug 4 the best fare is 561 on co to iad with a stop in ewr however if you check dtw::nyc to bwi then the best is 106 on co even though the original search should include bwi which is closer to nyc then iad is and under 300 miles
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: Dan on July 05, 2010, 06:40:42 PM
Not accurate. For example dtw::nyc to nyc (including airports within 300 miles) on aug 4 the best fare is 561 on co to iad with a stop in ewr however if you check dtw::nyc to bwi then the best is 106 on co even though the original search should include bwi which is closer to nyc then iad is and under 300 miles
Interesting.
Well that just means it's good to include more airports in the destination field.  For DTW::NYC I would also try BOS, WAS, CLE, CHI, ATL, etc. +300 miles in the destination field
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: Monsey on July 05, 2010, 06:52:37 PM
Interesting.
Well that just means it's good to include more airports in the destination field.  For DTW::NYC I would also try BOS, WAS, CLE, CHI, ATL, etc. +300 miles in the destination field
can i include more than one city in the destination field or do i have to check each separately
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: aussiebochur on July 06, 2010, 02:59:56 AM
ITA software help (http://matrix.itasoftware.com/cvg/dispatch/help/advanced-topics;jsessionid=BEBAAF949E356936B814D936DBFA62BF)
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: The Travelin Man on July 06, 2010, 04:11:21 PM
Not accurate. For example dtw::nyc to nyc (including airports within 300 miles) on aug 4 the best fare is 561 on co to iad with a stop in ewr however if you check dtw::nyc to bwi then the best is 106 on co even though the original search should include bwi which is closer to nyc then iad is and under 300 miles

I THINK (I am not sure) that the issue is that no matter how far from center you search (100 mi, 200 mi, 300 mi, etc.), ITA can only search a given number of airports at once, so it uses the most likely alternative airports.  Just as an example, sometimes when I am checking flights for NYC, I search +/-150 miles, which may yield results for PHL, but not ABE or HPN, which are both much closer.
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: Monsey on July 06, 2010, 06:58:46 PM
I THINK (I am not sure) that the issue is that no matter how far from center you search (100 mi, 200 mi, 300 mi, etc.), ITA can only search a given number of airports at once, so it uses the most likely alternative airports.  Just as an example, sometimes when I am checking flights for NYC, I search +/-150 miles, which may yield results for PHL, but not ABE or HPN, which are both much closer.
i think thats the issue because by me also when i check nyc it doesnt give me hpn or swf and pit doesnt check cak but those are small airports so i understand but bwi isnt small so i thought it would check it
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: Dan on July 06, 2010, 07:11:55 PM
pit doesnt check cak but those are small airports so i understand but bwi isnt small so i thought it would check it
PIT +100 definitely checks CAK.
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: Monsey on July 06, 2010, 07:15:10 PM
PIT +100 definitely checks CAK.
are you sure because i think it didnt check for me but maybe it was just so expensive that nothing came up until page 15 (which i obviously didnt check)
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: Devorah on July 06, 2010, 07:21:39 PM
Sorry if I sound dense, but do you do this using the multi-segment option.  One segment LGA-CLE and the second segment CLE-CLE or anything within 300 miles?

Thanx
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: Dan on July 06, 2010, 07:29:30 PM
are you sure because i think it didnt check for me but maybe it was just so expensive that nothing came up until page 15 (which i obviously didnt check)
Try a one-way from pit+100 to lga and it gives CAK options.
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: Monsey on July 06, 2010, 08:31:17 PM
Sorry if I sound dense, but do you do this using the multi-segment option.  One segment LGA-CLE and the second segment CLE-CLE or anything within 300 miles?

Thanx
no you do a one way and in the from field you type in lga::cle and in the to field you type in cle including airports within 300 miles
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: Devorah on July 06, 2010, 09:47:26 PM
no you do a one way and in the from field you type in lga::cle and in the to field you type in cle including airports within 300 miles
Thanx for the clarification.
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: The Travelin Man on July 07, 2010, 01:30:50 PM
are you sure because i think it didnt check for me but maybe it was just so expensive that nothing came up until page 15 (which i obviously didnt check)

When you complete your search, above the results grid, you will see tabs for "airlines," "flight times," and "airports."  If you click on the airports tab, it will show you which airports were included in your search.

Just as an example, I tried searching MCO-ORD+300 and the alternate airports were CVG, DTW, MKE, STL.  That means that they didn't even search MDW as an option for Chicago.  I did the same search with a 150 mile variance and the returned airports were MSN, MKE, MDW, GRR.  The most surprising thing to me, in this little random experiment, was that GRR provided the second-cheapest price (after MKE, which I suspected all along would be cheapest) - and doesn't show up in the 300 mile search. 

So, I guess the lesson here is that if you are just searching for a random destination, it is not enough to just search +300, but you should maybe do a search at 200, 150, and 100?
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: The Travelin Man on July 07, 2010, 06:09:44 PM
Ironically, I happen to be going to NY this weekend and a friend asked how much it would cost to buy a last-minute ticket to join the group.  I got on ITA and searched MCO-NYC+150.  The cheapest flight returned was MCO-EWR on US for $367 r/t.  Honestly, I thought that was pretty good.  I am not sure what made me look, but I realized that the airports searched included JFK, LGA, EWR, PHL (OK), and BDL (?????!!!).  Huh.  So, I re-ran the search with only a 75 mile radius, and that brought up 93 flights that were cheaper than $367, including 2 different choices for non-stop flights MCO-HPN for $259 ai on JetBlue.

I do find ITA to be a heck of a powerful tool, but you also have to know and work with its limitations.  It is not always designed to find you the absolute cheapest flight (if the parameters are too wide) - you need to know to be thorough in your search.
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: E on July 08, 2010, 04:23:23 PM
Did anyone try the Matrix 2 search it tells you which airport you will be searching within the chosen millage, you can also deselect unwanted ones. 
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: Dan on July 08, 2010, 07:42:24 PM
Did anyone try the Matrix 2 search it tells you which airport you will be searching within the chosen millage, you can also deselect unwanted ones. 
I don't care for it as you lose +1 day and the ability to specify a time.
You can always just type in more airport codes in the Matrix 1, which is exactly what Matrix 2 is doing.
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: Saver on July 08, 2010, 09:41:36 PM
Sorry, for sounding dense.  But I am trying to book a ticket for travel in less than two weeks and the pricing is very high.  I tried to use the website you suggested and could not seem to find the hidden city.  Any ideas for a good ticket?  I need tickets for July 21 going from Denver-NYC.  ANy ideas?  Thanks!  I really appreciate it.
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: Mikeoracle on July 08, 2010, 09:49:15 PM
Sorry, for sounding dense.  But I am trying to book a ticket for travel in less than two weeks and the pricing is very high.  I tried to use the website you suggested and could not seem to find the hidden city.  Any ideas for a good ticket?  I need tickets for July 21 going from Denver-NYC.  ANy ideas?  Thanks!  I really appreciate it.
One way?
How much did you come up with? I see $226 on CO from DEN-PHL with "stop" in EWR
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: Saver on July 08, 2010, 10:00:48 PM
I came up with $213 on jetblue direct, but that is very expensive one can usually get a ow from COlorado to NY for 100-150 and I need 3 tickets.
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: Dan on July 11, 2010, 11:26:11 AM
ITA Codes lesson 2, searching for a specific airline.

Let's say you want to find more available dates for the current $587 MIA-TLV deal.
Go to ITA, click on "month-long search".   (http://matrix.itasoftware.com/cvg/dispatch/prego/calendar;jsessionid=60F278DB052D5792CC0C42BE252E6162)
From MIA :: MA+
To: TLV :: MA+

This will only search Malev flights, the + adds any amount of permitted connections.
(CO+ would search for all Continental flights with any connections, etc.)

Then choose how many nights you want to spend in TLV and what month you're searching for.

Availability starts in September and runs through EOS (end of scheduling), but really picks up from November.

When you find a cheap date that works just go back to orbitz (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=XDbotxbyEF4&offerid=191979.10001425&subid=0&type=4) and plug in the dates to book.  ITA sometimes finds things that can't be booked any longer, but it's accurate most of the time.

Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: moish on July 11, 2010, 11:44:21 AM
why do you have to put +
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: Dan on July 11, 2010, 11:48:34 AM
why do you have to put +
Won't work without it.
+ searches for all flights including multiple connections.
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: moish on July 11, 2010, 11:59:16 AM
when you do a regular search it searches nonstop one stop and 2 stops. why does that change when you add a specific airline?
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: Dan on July 11, 2010, 12:07:59 PM
when you do a regular search it searches nonstop one stop and 2 stops. why does that change when you add a specific airline?
Because it assumes that you want a flight with only a single segment unless you add a + after the airline code.
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: ash on July 11, 2010, 12:57:10 PM
Code lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.

http://matrix.itasoftware.com

Searching a one-way from LGA-CLE on 07/06 comes up $500 for a nonstop.
To find a hidden-city ticket:
Search for a one-way from LGA::CLE and then going to CLE and cities within 300 miles and it will come up with the same non-stop flight (along with a throw-away leg to PIT) for $140.
Just don't do it too often and don't check luggage!

There's lots of other useful codes if people want similar demonstrations.

thanks for these tips, but let me ask is it possible for a regular search without hidden cities, like lax- nyc to work better then a hidden city search ?
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: Monsey on July 11, 2010, 01:00:15 PM
thanks for these tips, but let me ask is it possible for a regular search without hidden cities, like lax- nyc to work better then a hidden city search ?
yes it all depends on where you are flying. When flying to or from a hub city it usually costs alot as the airline that hubs that city has a monopoly on most routes so then its very useful to purchase hct but for nyc-lax i dont think it will be cheaper with a hct
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: ash on July 11, 2010, 01:25:31 PM
thanks for the info
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: youG on July 11, 2010, 06:11:14 PM
If it comes up on it's why not just book it? If it's mire expensive how do you know orbitz price mistake on it?
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: aussiebochur on July 11, 2010, 08:07:40 PM
If it comes up on it's why not just book it? If it's mire expensive how do you know orbitz price mistake on it?
You can't book on ITA, it only shows availability.
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: Devorah on August 17, 2010, 01:50:05 AM
They appear to have switched to Matrix 2.  Can you still search for hidden city?
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: aussiebochur on August 17, 2010, 01:52:35 AM
They appear to have switched to Matrix 2.  Can you still search for hidden city?

The hidden city prices come from the way the airline price their tickets.
ITA searches what you feed it so itll still work.
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: Mikeoracle on August 17, 2010, 08:30:23 AM
They appear to have switched to Matrix 2.  Can you still search for hidden city?
In case you want to use the classic matrix, here is the link. (its still active)
http://matrix1.itasoftware.com/cvg/dispatch
Title: Re: Hidden City Ticketing
Post by: Yordai Dooma on September 05, 2010, 08:08:48 PM
Deleted. Found what i was looking for.
Title: searching for a specific fareclass
Post by: lelee on September 09, 2010, 01:04:31 AM
Is it possible to search ITA for a specific fare class for an airline ?

I am interested in looking up a Z (disc upgradable business)  LAX-FRA fare on LH in Z class so I can use my LH cert to upgrade to First Class.
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: Dan on September 14, 2010, 12:36:05 PM
Here's the code to search for a one-way LAX-FRA:

LAX:: /f bc=Z
FRA

And for the round-trip:
LAX:: /f bc=Z
FRA:: /f bc=Z
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: Yordai Dooma on September 20, 2010, 07:07:51 PM
Does hidden city ticketing work when flying to/from canada? Such as YYZ-ORD-MKE and get off in ORD? Would someone have a problem with customs or anything?
What about ORD-YYZ-YXU and get off in YYZ?

Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: Dan on September 20, 2010, 07:20:32 PM
Does hidden city ticketing work when flying to/from canada? Such as YYZ-ORD-MKE and get off in ORD? Would someone have a problem with customs or anything?
What about ORD-YYZ-YXU and get off in YYZ?


You clear customs in YYZ.
I don't see why Canada would pose a problem as long as you don't have luggage.  Note that at least earlier this year that the Canadian TSA were making everyone check even medium sized carry-ons.
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: E on September 22, 2010, 12:51:19 PM
how can I purchase tickets that I found with a different sales city 
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: aussiebochur on September 28, 2010, 08:41:26 PM
Can't seem to get to the new site, only matrix1.itasoftware.com
Anyone else having the same issue?
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: Dan on September 28, 2010, 08:53:48 PM
http://beta.itasoftware.com/
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: elikay on November 04, 2010, 01:05:26 PM
Any reason why kayak would give me better fare than ITA? (TLV-NYC)
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: E on November 04, 2010, 02:58:44 PM
do you have exactly the same flight? meaning flight numbers times dates ect..
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: elikay on November 04, 2010, 03:10:53 PM
No I didn't check that simply checked for the cheapest fare and ITA didn't have it (I thought that kayak uses ita).
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: E on November 04, 2010, 03:17:14 PM
it has to be bookable not all fares that ITA shows are bookable.. read this thread for more info
Title: Re: flights found on ITA matrix
Post by: MLM on November 30, 2010, 03:15:53 PM
What happens if I book a ticket for example EWR-LAX-PSP which comes out cheaper on a one way then EWR-LAX on CO. Can I tell them that I dont plan on taking the 2nd flight before I take off and tell them to check my bags to LAX instead?

Has anyone done this successfully?

Also can this be done even if my transit time is less than the minimum check-in time for bags?
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: Monsey on November 30, 2010, 03:31:04 PM
They wont let unless you get a real nice agent. If the second leg is the next day then they have to give you your bags for the overnight layover
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: Shimon on November 30, 2010, 05:39:40 PM
What about if you check in luggage at boarding?
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: E on November 30, 2010, 07:07:06 PM
What about if you check in luggage at boarding?
from my experience it's usually hard to get luggage past security. 
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: Monsey on November 30, 2010, 07:10:58 PM
Most airlines give you back the gate checked bag in the jetway when you arrive at your first destination. Spirit i know doesnt and you have to claim it at baggage claim therefore if its and hidden city ticket you might lose your bags but you can tell them you need something from the bag during the layover and then you should get it back after the first leg
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: SuperFlyer on December 01, 2010, 05:24:01 AM
Unless you have a very short stop @ LAX, I suggest the following:

Make sure that the last leg has more than 12 hour stop preceding it, so that your luggage won't stay in transfer.

Or you tell the agent that this suitcase you prepared just to hand it over to someone in lax that is waiting in the airport.
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: chuchem on December 01, 2010, 06:55:19 AM
I agree to superflyer. If your connection is not to short, tell them you are meeting someone at the airport and have to give him stuff. If its to short, they will say, you dont have time to meet someone!
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: Monsey on December 01, 2010, 12:30:45 PM
It wont work i have tried this with 3+ hours till the second flight and they said they cant short check the bag because its a security threat unless there is an overnight layover
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: AsherO on December 01, 2010, 12:50:02 PM
It wont work i have tried this with 3+ hours till the second flight and they said they cant short check the bag because its a security threat unless there is an overnight layover

How is overnight any less of a security threat? Security is an excuse for everything nowadays.
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: Dan on December 01, 2010, 12:55:18 PM
It's very YMMV.
Best bet is just carry-on luggage or else to UPS the luggage.
Title: Re: Using ITA Codes.
Post by: SuperFlyer on December 01, 2010, 01:51:19 PM
Make it overnight.
Title: How risky is Hidden City Ticketing
Post by: elikay on January 02, 2011, 10:56:05 AM
Any tips? Any airlines worse than others? Obviously we are talking about OWs.
Title: Re: How risky is Hidden City Ticketing
Post by: Eli on January 02, 2011, 01:20:18 PM
I recently scheduled a hidden city which ended in Canada. I told the traveler to bring his passport to the airport just in case they ask for it on the first leg. The blizzard caused the flight to be canceled but I wonder what would have happened.

In a regular case I find it hard to believe they could do anything to you.
Title: Re: How risky is Hidden City Ticketing
Post by: Chaikel on January 02, 2011, 01:37:40 PM
My SIL went cle-phl-(msy) on US. She took a bit of a large "carry-on" and they tried to make her check it. When she refused, the the agent was like, "I know, you're getting off at philly" and tried to make problems for her. She was scared, but there isn't mush they can do. The agent ran to the gate to try and make sure that they don't let her bag on, but it was already gate checked.

On the other hand I've booked for many people, and no one else has had a problem.

In short, just don't put down your FF#, and don't check luggage, and like Eli said, what can they do already?

Title: Re: How risky is Hidden City Ticketing
Post by: elikay on January 02, 2011, 02:38:40 PM
My SIL went cle-phl-(msy) on US.

Funny because the flight I was looking into also goes thru philly.
Title: Re: How risky is Hidden City Ticketing
Post by: elikay on January 02, 2011, 02:47:27 PM
The agent ran to the gate to try and make sure that they don't let her bag on, but it was already gate checked.
In short, just don't put down your FF#, and don't check luggage, and like Eli said, what can they do already?
If they gate check a carry-on is there any way that they might put it all the way through? Also, I would never talk to an agent if doing such a thing, just check in online and go straight to security.

And, my question was because I was just thinking that they can find you in the system (if you have FF with them), eve if you don't put your number down.
Title: Re: How risky is Hidden City Ticketing
Post by: elikay on January 02, 2011, 02:58:34 PM
Also with the TSA requiring birthdays and gender it makes it that much easier to blacklist you.
Title: Re: How risky is Hidden City Ticketing
Post by: Chaikel on January 02, 2011, 03:14:19 PM
Funny because the flight I was looking into also goes thru philly.
Probably US then
Title: Re: How risky is Hidden City Ticketing
Post by: aaa on January 02, 2011, 03:20:39 PM
I do this for people quite often. I have been warned by a travel agent that if the airline catches it they can charge the cc for the extra price (what ticket price would have been for those 2 cities).

However I have never seen it myself.

For the people that mentioned not putting the FF number in, I dont see how that makes a difference. They wont ban you, they will just charge your cc, thats if its true...
Title: Re: How risky is Hidden City Ticketing
Post by: moish on January 02, 2011, 03:22:41 PM
there are reports of them punishing ppl by closing down their ff account
Title: Re: How risky is Hidden City Ticketing
Post by: Cholentfresser on January 02, 2011, 03:43:03 PM
for selling mileage, maileh, but how can they close down your ff account for this, this isint one of the T&Cs!
Title: Re: How risky is Hidden City Ticketing
Post by: aaa on January 02, 2011, 06:25:38 PM
there are reports of them punishing ppl by closing down their ff account

Never heard of that..you know first hand?
Title: Re: How risky is Hidden City Ticketing
Post by: chuchem on January 02, 2011, 06:45:38 PM
In Switzerland they had court cases about it. It even went further: a ticket Zrh-JFK costs 10000 Dollars in F Class, a ticket Cairo-Zrh-Jfk only 5000. A guy bought such a ticket and didnt fly Cairo-Zuerich and went to the airport in Zuerich to check in. They denied boarding and made him buy a new ticket for 10000 Dollars. He did it, took them to court and won, they had to refund him the seconfd ticket and pay costs. Court decided, that you are buying a ticket and its none of the airlines business if you fly all or not. Your ticket for Zrh-JFK is still valid, its like buying a package for 3 movies, if you didnt watch the first two, they cant deny the third. A few people since then did it and took them to court and all won. The airlines dont allow it and most people dont take them to court, but if you have the koiches you will win. Curious to know if there is such a court case in the USA
Title: Re: How risky is Hidden City Ticketing
Post by: moish on January 02, 2011, 06:47:42 PM
Never heard of that..you know first hand?
no, not first hand. it could be folklore
Title: Re: How risky is Hidden City Ticketing
Post by: moish on January 02, 2011, 06:48:54 PM
In Switzerland they had court cases about it. It even went further: a ticket Zrh-JFK costs 10000 Dollars in F Class, a ticket Cairo-Zrh-Jfk only 5000. A guy bought such a ticket and didnt fly Cairo-Zuerich and went to the airport in Zuerich to check in. They denied boarding and made him buy a new ticket for 10000 Dollars. He did it, took them to court and won, they had to refund him the seconfd ticket and pay costs. Court decided, that you are buying a ticket and its none of the airlines business if you fly all or not. Your ticket for Zrh-JFK is still valid, its like buying a package for 3 movies, if you didnt watch the first two, they cant deny the third. A few people since then did it and took them to court and all won. The airlines dont allow it and most people dont take them to court, but if you have the koiches you will win. Curious to know if there is such a court case in the USA
doubt youd win that in the states
Title: Re: How risky is Hidden City Ticketing
Post by: elikay on January 02, 2011, 06:56:27 PM
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/archive/t-1044886.html
Title: Re: How risky is Hidden City Ticketing
Post by: AsherO on January 02, 2011, 06:56:57 PM
doubt youd win that in the states

Yup, laws are different in each country/jurisdiction.
Title: cheap 1 way trips w/stop & you want the stop and not the final destination
Post by: aytbpb on February 21, 2011, 02:17:17 PM
anybody know of the most likely cities to try for a final destination on a one way trip with a connection in ord that would come out really cheap departing from phl
i have found phl to mke to be pretty reasonable, anyone have any better ideas?

also looking for cheap one ways from ord to somewhere that would use phl as a connection
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: twentie4hrs on February 22, 2011, 03:24:53 PM
any other tricks?
I looked at FT but there are too many posts
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: Dan on February 22, 2011, 03:30:08 PM
any other tricks?
I looked at FT but there are too many posts
Dozens, here's another that nobody seemed too interested in:
http://www.dansdeals.com/forums/index.php?topic=5411.msg58788#msg58788
Title: How to find cheap one way tickets
Post by: iyc on February 28, 2011, 12:48:42 AM
This is a guide on how to find cheap one way tickets, the idea is, instead of getting a ticket from A to B is to get a ticket from A to C with a layover in B and just not board to the connection flight. You'll be amazed how common it is that a ticket on the same flight will cost less if it is just a connection to a less attractive destination. Works well with NYC, I flew a few times for less than $70 each way (lowest was $45 from Detroit).

http://traveltoforum.com/threads/629-Guide-How-to-find-cheap-2-1-way-tickets-that-will-be-cheaper-than-a-round-trip

Title: Re: How to find cheap one way tickets
Post by: aussiebochur on February 28, 2011, 01:01:23 AM
It's been discussed multiple times before but a nice guide with pics...
Title: Re: How to find cheap one way tickets
Post by: iyc on February 28, 2011, 01:21:05 AM
there is also a text file there with all the US airports ready for copy and paste..
Title: Re: How to find cheap one way tickets
Post by: twentie4hrs on February 28, 2011, 10:39:49 AM
This is a guide on how to find cheap one way tickets, the idea is, instead of getting a ticket from A to B is to get a ticket from A to C with a layover in B and just not board to the connection flight. You'll be amazed how common it is that a ticket on the same flight will cost less if it is just a connection to a less attractive destination. Works well with NYC, I flew a few times for less than $70 each way (lowest was $45 from Detroit).

http://traveltoforum.com/threads/629-Guide-How-to-find-cheap-2-1-way-tickets-that-will-be-cheaper-than-a-round-trip

Very well put together...why would in not work for RT tckts?

only con: it takes about an hour to search for flights
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: aytbpb on February 28, 2011, 11:21:50 AM
thanks so much for clearly explaining how to use the ita software for hidden city ticketing. i was not aware of that feature and it took hours!
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: twentie4hrs on February 28, 2011, 11:59:21 AM
Why is ITA matrix software so great??

I have yet to find better prices than other sites like orbitz etc..
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: elikay on February 28, 2011, 01:08:45 PM
Genius! They're running the same engine! its the codes you put in that make the difference.
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: josh nyc on February 28, 2011, 02:35:59 PM
Its all about the codes and the flexibility. I was a full Kayak believer (well until a few months ago when Kayak started getting fritzy and not giving real time responses for all airlines) but the search options and functionality of the matrix (which ive only scratched the surface of) is the best by far. I just had to book 10 r/t flights for business to diff cities - not only was I able to ensure that I paid the cheapest price, but I was also able to figure out which award flights (on Jblue - I had vouchers that were expiring soon) were "cheaper" to me based on their current pricing (not in a ppm sense but in a straight value sense. If flt 1 is $100 and 1,000 points and flt 2 is $120 and 1,000 points, which one do you pay for/which one award etc). Also I prefer to fly out of LGA over JFK but will fly JFK/EWR if the price is right. Its a lot easier to compare and sort airports/flight times with ITA. Orbitz doesnt really let you play around.

If youre booking a trip and your dates and airports are set in stone, by all means go to orbitz
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: Dan on February 28, 2011, 04:03:40 PM
there is also a text file there with all the US airports ready for copy and paste..
Can you attach the txt file here please?
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: josh nyc on February 28, 2011, 04:04:20 PM
<Edit by Dan: Thanks, I've put them into an attachment below>
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: Dan on February 28, 2011, 04:23:39 PM
Airport file attached.

Really what you need though is to weed that out and just pick the 50 or so airports where LCCs fly to, the other airport will almost never be cheaper.
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: josh nyc on February 28, 2011, 04:37:45 PM
True - many of those airports are not going to come out cheaper and are a waste of time.
Also - if you search them all at once, in my experience it tends to overload the matrix and it takes forever to get the results. If you do want to search through every airport its better to split them up into 4 or 5 smaller searches
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: moshegold on February 28, 2011, 04:59:36 PM
Airport file attached.

Really what you need though is to weed that out and just pick the 50 or so airports where LCCs fly to, the other airport will almost never be cheaper.

When i try to copy and paste the airports into the search, it only pastes the first airport
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: Dan on February 28, 2011, 05:03:27 PM
When i try to copy and paste the airports into the search, it only pastes the first airport
Pastes them all for me just fine.
Control-A, Control-C, and Control-V.
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: iyc on February 28, 2011, 05:20:25 PM
if you split the list to 2 it should work just fine and fast. it tends to get slow if you copy the entire list.
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: moish on February 28, 2011, 08:41:42 PM
When i try to copy and paste the airports into the search, it only pastes the first airport
me too. strange
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: Chaikel on March 01, 2011, 02:49:11 PM
What is it a list for? All US airports?
Is it ever cheaper to do a Canada leg?
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: E on March 01, 2011, 02:57:51 PM
I dont know why but iv'e seen some of the ITA pro's say it's better to search fewer at a time. so not sure how much this file is actually helping.
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: elikay on March 01, 2011, 03:28:38 PM
When you search more, it misses stuff.
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: yare on June 14, 2011, 04:48:44 PM
is there any way to check on ita for a flight with a stopover of a certain amount of days?
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: Chaikel on June 14, 2011, 05:35:37 PM
is there any way to check on ita for a flight with a stopover of a certain amount of days?
Multi-city
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: yare on June 14, 2011, 06:37:35 PM
Multi-city
lol, pretty bad miss.   thanks.
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: EliteMavin on June 20, 2011, 06:17:03 PM
There's lots of other useful codes if people want similar demonstrations.

Did this many times, (but never using Ita software) and have had much success!

Used it for DTW many times, with tickets to MKE, ORD, PIT, all on DL. 
DTW is notorious for having terrible o/w prices, so this works very well, especially last minute.

Anyone else have experience with DTW?
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: Chaikel on June 20, 2011, 06:27:07 PM
Did this many times, (but never using Ita software) and have had much success!

Used it for DTW many times, with tickets to MKE, ORD, PIT, all on DL. 
DTW is notorious for having terrible o/w prices, so this works very well, especially last minute.

Anyone else have experience with DTW?

I booked a LGA-DTW-BUF for less than 25% of the LGA-DTW flight.
Mot only that, it was booked at the ticket counter in LGA. Luckily most airline employees are clueless about geography.
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: aussiebochur on June 20, 2011, 06:33:19 PM
I seem to find the most extreme cases with Delta.
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: Chaikel on June 20, 2011, 06:45:22 PM
I seem to find the most extreme cases with Delta.
That was my case
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: EliteMavin on June 20, 2011, 08:54:31 PM
I seem to find the most extreme cases with Delta.
At least with Delta I managed to get some back, when looking for a DTW - NYC flight, all I was able to find was DTW-NYC-Porto Rico!! for $180, which was considered good, because it was last minute. Ultimately the DTW-NYC flight was delayed two hours. The next morning (in NYC) I checked my itinerary online, and saw that I missed the previous night's flight to Porto Rico, because of the delay. Instead they booked me on a morning flight. I called up and said that I have no interest in flying there anymore, and requested a refund. They were able to refund me $140!!!
That was a great ticket, last minute, direct flight, for $40 after taxes, on Delta...
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: momo on June 28, 2011, 03:40:32 PM
How do i look for specific fare class on specific airlines like y class on aa
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: moish on June 28, 2011, 04:09:42 PM
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/mileage-run-discussion/327261-how-specify-booking-code-ita.html
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: lunatic on August 13, 2012, 12:10:20 PM
So I just tried this out (thanks Dan for the directions) and the price that came up was lower than the price shown on AA's website. If i call on the phone and give AA the exact fare code, will that work? Has anyone ever tried it?
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: JEWDA on August 13, 2012, 12:21:22 PM
So I just tried this out (thanks Dan for the directions) and the price that came up was lower than the price shown on AA's website. If i call on the phone and give AA the exact fare code, will that work? Has anyone ever tried it?
Wow I never knew this thread existed. Thanks.
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: elikay on August 13, 2012, 12:28:47 PM
Wow I never knew this thread existed. Thanks.
Time to start reading up!
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: Dan on August 13, 2012, 01:18:25 PM
So I just tried this out (thanks Dan for the directions) and the price that came up was lower than the price shown on AA's website. If i call on the phone and give AA the exact fare code, will that work? Has anyone ever tried it?
Huh? Just book it on orbitz.
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: lunatic on August 13, 2012, 03:40:51 PM
Sorry for not being clear. ITA shows one price for a specific flight on a specific airline, and AA (and Obitz) show a higher price for the specific flight/airline
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: Dan on August 13, 2012, 04:28:53 PM
Sorry for not being clear. ITA shows one price for a specific flight on a specific airline, and AA (and Obitz) show a higher price for the specific flight/airline
Please post details if you want help.
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: lunatic on August 16, 2012, 10:37:07 AM
look at the top flight http://matrix.itasoftware.com/view/flights?session=d054bb45-9287-47cd-83f2-cbf39ab467db
if you go to the AA website, the price is $207
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: myb821 on August 16, 2012, 10:52:24 AM
look at the top flight http://matrix.itasoftware.com/view/flights?session=d054bb45-9287-47cd-83f2-cbf39ab467db
if you go to the AA website, the price is $207
bad link
Title: Dirt cheap tickets from YYZ to MSP ALL YEAR LONG (non stop)
Post by: Kool Deals on August 20, 2012, 12:27:04 AM
Well all those who do that will find non stop tickets run from 300 to 700 or so and with a stop maybe a bit cheaper.
Whats the trick to get it cheaper???
Very simple if you are flying WITHOUT CHECKED baggage you can get a non stop flight on Delta for as cheap
as $150 if purchased 2 weeks in advance and if less than 2 weeks a bit more maybe 200 or so.
Search on Delta or Orbitz flights going from YYZ - CHI (CHICAGO AIRPORTS) then since Delta has a hub in MSP
SOME not ALL but a good 2 or 3 every day will go from YYZ-MSP-CHI for only 150 or so and just get off the plane at
MSP. Due to security regulations you can't check your bag half way so its only if you are taking carry on baggage.
I hope it saves people money!
In general you can do this to and from alot of cities you just have to play around.
In the future I may put more travel cities which are usually expensive ways to fly for cheaper stay tuned!!
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: Kool Deals on August 20, 2012, 01:07:09 AM
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Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: jj1000 on August 20, 2012, 02:09:51 AM
Due to security regulations you can't check your bag half way so its only if you are taking carry on baggage.
Unless you have medical issues and your medication is in the bag ;) Thanks for the advice!
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: Cbs on August 22, 2012, 03:30:52 AM
I found from CLE-LGA-BOS for $89 OW and return LGA-CLE-PIT for $66 on some days.
obviously avois is a better value but for someone that doesn't have avios and luggage this is a great option
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: Cbs on August 29, 2012, 11:29:32 AM
I was looking at some routes to LAX and I found this one (attached)
Who would ever do such a thing?  Why is it even an option?

Edit: picture not loading.  Its a route like this:
EWR-FLL(45 min layover) - JFK- LAX
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: Alexsei on May 08, 2013, 02:27:50 PM
Hello,

How do i go about searching for a round trip where i want to drop the last leg of the flight.

For ex. i want YUL-TLV-YUL-XXX the last leg can be any airport in the US or Canada provide i connect in YUL First,

I already know how to search one way using the advanced routing codes, but can't figure for round trip
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: E on May 08, 2013, 03:18:32 PM
Hello,

How do i go about searching for a round trip where i want to drop the last leg of the flight.

For ex. i want YUL-TLV-YUL-XXX the last leg can be any airport in the US or Canada provide i connect in YUL First,

I already know how to search one way using the advanced routing codes, but can't figure for round trip

search using multi city.
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: Alexsei on May 08, 2013, 03:24:32 PM
search using multi city.

Wow didn't recognize i'm so dumb :( somehow it still shows me no flights found
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: Chapshnell on May 19, 2013, 05:31:30 PM
Code lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.

http://matrix1.itasoftware.com/cvg/dispatch/guest

Using

Searching a one-way from LGA-CLE on 07/06 comes up $500 for a nonstop.
To find a hidden-city ticket:
Search for a one-way from LGA::CLE and then going to CLE and cities within 300 miles and it will come up with the same non-stop flight (along with a throw-away leg to PIT) for $140.
Just don't do it too often and don't check luggage!

There's lots of other useful codes if people want similar demonstrations.

I tried doing this 20 times, I dont see CLE to be the only stop before the throw away flight, please help
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: Moishebatchy on May 20, 2013, 07:57:27 AM
I tried doing this 20 times, I dont see CLE to be the only stop before the throw away flight, please help

Not chapping very shnell, are we? ;)

Try adding X:CLE to force a stop in Cleveland.
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: sam28 on May 20, 2013, 11:47:15 AM
Can anyone help me search a ticket nyc - lhr 5/22 - 5/26 or 27?
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: Moishebatchy on May 20, 2013, 11:49:08 AM
Can anyone help me search a ticket nyc - lhr 5/22 - 5/26 or 27?

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=7985.0
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: Chapshnell on May 20, 2013, 11:55:09 AM
Not chapping very shnell, are we? ;)

Try adding X:CLE to force a stop in Cleveland.

Moshe, PLEASE can you help me & show me a screenshot of your ITA screen? Any possibility? I am still new to this & am willing to learn..
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: Moishebatchy on May 20, 2013, 12:06:28 PM
Moshe, PLEASE can you help me & show me a screenshot of your ITA screen? Any possibility? I am still new to this & am willing to learn..

See below. (The destination box is what you get when you choose "Find airports near Cleveland, OH, within 300 mi", select all, then uncheck CLE.)

On 5/28, for example, the query shown yields EWR-CLE-ERI for $158, whereas EWR-CLE is $415.
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: Chapshnell on May 20, 2013, 12:34:32 PM
OK, I see.. Thank you very much.. Learned something new today.. "X:CLE" means "must stop in Cleveland" I figure...
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: Marco Polo on May 20, 2013, 12:37:47 PM
See below. (The destination box is what you get when you choose "Find airports near Cleveland, OH, within 300 mi", select all, then uncheck CLE.)

On 5/28, for example, the query shown yields EWR-CLE-ERI for $158, whereas EWR-CLE is $415.
This picture just cleared up the confusion i have had trying to book like this.

Thanks.
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: Moishebatchy on May 20, 2013, 12:39:07 PM
You guys are welcome. I'm happy to help. :)
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: Dan on May 20, 2013, 12:41:36 PM
OK, I see.. Thank you very much.. Learned something new today.. "X:CLE" means "must stop in Cleveland" I figure...
The X: is optional.  You can also just write CLE

More codes:
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=17085
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: Marco Polo on May 22, 2013, 09:30:19 AM
See below. (The destination box is what you get when you choose "Find airports near Cleveland, OH, within 300 mi", select all, then uncheck CLE.)

On 5/28, for example, the query shown yields EWR-CLE-ERI for $158, whereas EWR-CLE is $415.
When entering a search like this, how long should it take to generate the pricing?

Mine has been loading >2 minutes, is that normal?
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: weezl on November 27, 2013, 12:57:49 AM
Hi,
Having trouble with routes AVL to LAX; I put in x:LAX to force a stop and chose destination airports 100 miles away, then 500 miles away (unchecked LAX then cut/paste into destination) and it says "no flights found". Then I tried for ex AVL SBA without using x:LAX and it found a flight with a stop at LAX. But when I tried to add x:lax, it said no fares found. This does not make sense.
I must be doing it wrong.
Thx
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: Emkay on November 27, 2013, 01:09:18 AM
Hi,
Having trouble with routes AVL to LAX; I put in x:LAX to force a stop and chose destination airports 100 miles away, then 500 miles away (unchecked LAX then cut/paste into destination) and it says "no flights found". Then I tried for ex AVL SBA without using x:LAX and it found a flight with a stop at LAX. But when I tried to add x:lax, it said no fares found. This does not make sense.
I must be doing it wrong.
Thx
which date
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: weezl on November 27, 2013, 01:21:59 AM
12/29 but any date really, I just don't understand the functionality issue here, I get the codes pretty well.
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: SL1 on November 27, 2013, 01:55:15 AM
because LAX in middle box means single stop in LAX as specified in "examples" and all those flights have 2 stops. remember matrix wasn't designed specifically for hidden city ;) 
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: weezl on November 28, 2013, 12:57:46 AM
Ahhhh, makes perfect logical sense.

I re-did it, this time specifying the connections that I know are common to AVL (either EWR, CLT, ATL, or ORD) in addition to LAX, and it worked. Didn't find and hidden city specials but at least it worked and I have a better understanding of the codes thanks to you.

I will keep looking but I am doubtful UA, DL, or US will ever have fares out of AVL to beyond LAX that are less than just terminating at LAX. Tantalizing in other markets tho ;D
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: MeirS on February 26, 2014, 12:35:44 AM
I know this thread is getting a bit old, I'm just curious, did Lesson #2 ever come out?
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: princea143 on February 26, 2014, 06:42:39 PM
I know this thread is getting a bit old, I'm just curious, did Lesson #2 ever come out?
I was wondering the same thing.  ???  So much to read, but I'm still holding strong.
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: @Yehuda on April 13, 2014, 10:19:36 AM
Does hidden city work for award tickets? Obviously not to get a flight for lower miles, but perhaps to find more availability?
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: ilherman on April 13, 2014, 10:21:51 AM
Does hidden city work for award tickets? Obviously not to get a flight for lower miles, but perhaps to find more availability?
No. There are other programs around for awards.
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: @Yehuda on April 13, 2014, 10:22:46 AM
No. There are other programs around for awards.
What do you mean?
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: ilherman on April 13, 2014, 10:23:51 AM
What do you mean?
ITA Software, Expert Flyer. They cost money.
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: @Yehuda on April 13, 2014, 10:28:40 AM
ITA Software, Expert Flyer. They cost money.
Oh yeah, I wasn't looking for award searching. I meant more like a way to find a flight that may have availability via a hidden city but that doesn't show avail on its own.
EX. I'm looking NYC-MIA on AA and can't find avail. But maybe NYC-MIA-DFW would have avail and then I can just get off at MIA.
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: ilherman on April 13, 2014, 10:38:02 AM
That's not how award availability works bro.

Also, ITA does not show award availability, period.
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: @Yehuda on April 13, 2014, 10:39:56 AM
That's not how award availability works bro.

Also, ITA does not show award availability, period.

Yeah I know it doesn't show that.

I've definitely found on aa.com random flights that only showed up as stopovers X-Y-Z but that wouldn't show up if I looked just Y-Z.
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: ilherman on April 13, 2014, 11:12:05 AM
For example?
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: @Yehuda on April 13, 2014, 11:33:26 AM
For example?
I don't remember. It was when I was planning the OWE.
Found something like LHR-MAD-JFK but MAD-JFK didn't exist. Either way, that was a while ago so I'm sure it's not available for viewing now. I dk maybe I'm wrong here. In either case, there's nothing good NYC-MIA for 5/19 so I was hoping that hidden city would be an option. I guess it's not, or at least there's no easy way to search it.
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: jaywhy on April 13, 2014, 12:18:53 PM
I don't remember. It was when I was planning the OWE.
Found something like LHR-MAD-JFK but MAD-JFK didn't exist. Either way, that was a while ago so I'm sure it's not available for viewing now. I dk maybe I'm wrong here. In either case, there's nothing good NYC-MIA for 5/19 so I was hoping that hidden city would be an option. I guess it's not, or at least there's no easy way to search it.
Try ZFV.
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: @Yehuda on April 14, 2014, 09:45:05 AM
Try ZFV.
Thanks, nothing on AA. Either way, I'm going with a friend (who's paying for his ticket). I don't think I could convince him to drive to Philly just so I can go on an award flight.
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: Marco Polo on April 14, 2014, 09:55:37 AM
Thanks, nothing on AA. Either way, I'm going with a friend (who's paying for his ticket). I don't think I could convince him to drive to Philly just so I can go on an award flight.
Doesn't have to be like that.
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: @Yehuda on April 14, 2014, 10:06:53 AM
Doesn't have to be like that.
Hmm?
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: Marco Polo on April 14, 2014, 10:13:09 AM
Hmm?
Seems like you can purchase the ZFV ticket and check-in at the airport, without actually starting from ZFV.
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: @Yehuda on April 14, 2014, 10:21:20 AM
Seems like you can purchase the ZFV ticket and check-in at the airport, without actually starting from ZFV.
Interesting. You see ZFV-MIA/FLL availability? Nothing came up on aa.com.
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: Marco Polo on April 14, 2014, 10:30:52 AM
Interesting. You see ZFV-MIA/FLL availability? Nothing came up on aa.com.
Haven't looked. Thought i would just mention it though.
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: ilherman on April 14, 2014, 10:49:55 AM
Only works with UA as far as I know.
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: @Yehuda on April 14, 2014, 11:12:18 AM
Thanks, yeah there was nothing for that route. And from some searches, it doesn't seem like there's anything from BOS, PHL, HVN, PVD that stops in NY on the way to MIA.
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: SOS on April 14, 2014, 12:23:39 PM
If your looking to book with ba avios they charge per segment so it won't help if the flight originates somewhere else
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: @Yehuda on April 14, 2014, 12:27:05 PM
If your looking to book with ba avios they charge per segment so it won't help if the flight originates somewhere else
Not trying to save miles, simply trying to find avail.
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: jaywhy on April 14, 2014, 02:02:39 PM
Only works with UA as far as I know.
+1
It works as a codeshare agreement with Amtrak.
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: MrsZev on June 24, 2014, 09:58:15 PM
I'm trying to book my first hidden city ticket, NYC-ATL-______, and found a delta flight (JFK-ATL-JAX) for $129 on ITA... when I try to book it through delta.com, it's coming up $202. What am I doing wrong?
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: Myccrabbi on June 24, 2014, 10:06:40 PM
I'm trying to book my first hidden city ticket, NYC-ATL-______, and found a delta flight (JFK-ATL-JAX) for $129 on ITA... when I try to book it through delta.com, it's coming up $202. What am I doing wrong?
it either means the fare has not been updated, or you didn't find the right OTA.
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: MrsZev on June 24, 2014, 10:49:08 PM
it either means the fare has not been updated, or you didn't find the right OTA.

what's OTA?

Do you mean, the fare has not been updated on ITA?
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: Myccrabbi on June 24, 2014, 10:50:33 PM
what's OTA?

Do you mean, the fare has not been updated on ITA?
I meant Online Travel Agencies
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: username on June 24, 2014, 11:10:32 PM
Prices on ita are not always accurate.
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: Dan on June 25, 2014, 11:24:33 AM
Check orbitz.
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: SRM on September 16, 2014, 09:26:54 AM
If I book a hidden city that lands in JFK and then departs from LGA I will be able to retrieve my bags at JFK? I just want to confirm that I will be able to check bags on this flight. TIA
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: chucksterace on September 16, 2014, 10:11:13 AM
If I book a hidden city that lands in JFK and then departs from LGA I will be able to retrieve my bags at JFK? I just want to confirm that I will be able to check bags on this flight. TIA

If you switch airports you will always need to get your bag. There are no conveyer belts that stretch from JFK-LGA. But if there were that would be mighty awesome and cool
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: SRM on September 16, 2014, 10:12:04 AM
If you switch airports you will always need to get your bag. There are no conveyer belts that stretch from JFK-LGA. But if there were that would be mighty awesome and cool

I figured as much but just wanted to triple check. Thanks!
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: ad120 on September 16, 2014, 11:10:14 AM
If you switch airports you will always need to get your bag. There are no conveyer belts that stretch from JFK-LGA. But if there were that would be mighty awesome and cool
I'd opt to travel on the conveyer belt over the VWE/GCP as it would get me there sooner
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: Lou Bob on September 16, 2014, 11:14:36 AM
If I book a hidden city that lands in JFK and then departs from LGA I will be able to retrieve my bags at JFK? I just want to confirm that I will be able to check bags on this flight. TIA
hidden city or open jaw?
Makes a difference.
If ur landing in jfk and dropping the next leg (and hopping over to lga to use a new ticket), then it makes a difference where you arrived in jfk from (domestic vs international)
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: SRM on September 16, 2014, 11:27:03 AM
hidden city or open jaw?
Makes a difference.
If ur landing in jfk and dropping the next leg (and hopping over to lga to use a new ticket), then it makes a difference where you arrived in jfk from (domestic vs international)

no the itinerary was jfk - xxx and xxx - jfk then lga - bos. planned on skipping the last leg.
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: YMW on October 20, 2014, 08:01:11 PM
Is there any way to do a hidden city ticket o/w with checked luggage?
Title: Re: ITA Code Lesson #1: Hidden-City Ticketing.
Post by: jaywhy on October 20, 2014, 08:05:41 PM
Is there any way to do a hidden city ticket o/w with checked luggage?
Yes. If you have a long layover you can ask for your luggage to be shortchecked. If you are traveling with multiple people, one person can take the luggage on a regular ticket.