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Title: Sedona, AZ
Post by: yehuda S on April 15, 2013, 10:19:39 AM
Is there any interest in a trip report for my three day trip to Phoenix/Sedona/Grand Canyon?
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: E-MAN on April 15, 2013, 10:31:56 AM
Is there any interest in a trip report for my three day trip to Phoenix/Sedona/Grand Canyon?
Always interest in a TR!  8)
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: Mutty on April 15, 2013, 10:33:01 AM
Hope you took the pink jeep tour!
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: sky121 on April 15, 2013, 10:39:48 AM
Always interest in a TR!  8)

+10
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: Yaalili on April 15, 2013, 10:50:12 AM
Is there any interest in a trip report for my three day trip to Phoenix/Sedona/Grand Canyon?

Please!! would really like to read it.
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: yehuda S on April 15, 2013, 11:26:25 AM
+10

I'll do it!

I just didn't think all you travel gurus were interested in something right here in the good 'ol USA.
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: sky121 on April 15, 2013, 11:40:11 AM
I'll do it!

I just didn't think all you travel gurus were interested in something right here in the good 'ol USA.

Travel gurus know that there are amazing trips to be had anywhere and everywhere. And the USA is filled with many beautiful and fun places to visit.
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: Something Fishy on April 15, 2013, 09:55:33 PM
Travel gurus know that there are amazing trips to be had anywhere and everywhere. And the USA is filled with many beautiful and fun places to visit.

+1, and not all travel gurus have the ability/chance to go somewhere 'exotic' every time.
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: yehuda S on April 15, 2013, 09:58:40 PM
+1, and not all travel gurus have the ability/chance to go somewhere 'exotic' every time.

I doubt there are many places in the world as exotic as Sedona. The place is spectacular.
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: Something Fishy on April 15, 2013, 09:59:10 PM
Also, the TR should probably be posted here (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=1332.0), methinks.
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: Something Fishy on April 15, 2013, 10:01:29 PM
I doubt there are many places in the world as exotic as Sedona. The place is spectacular.

Quite true.

But when I said exotic I was thinking Thailand, the Maldives, etc. not just exotic scenery.
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: yehuda S on April 16, 2013, 01:47:28 AM
Since I started here I'll post it here. If anyone wants to I guess you can move it. If it's too long please let me know.


I'd been technically planning this trip for years as sort of a get away with a friend/ escape to nature from the daily grind and find myself a bit.
This would be my first semi-major trip somewhere without my wife since we got engaged.

I'd been thinking about Zion national park but when I broached the idea to my brother-in-law I said 'Phoenix' to give him a general idea of the vicinity and he booked his nonrefundable ticket so fast we were kind of stuck. I think it worked out well though because the weather in March is quite cold in Utah.

We decided to go the week after Purim, departing early on Sunday March 3 and arriving back early Wednesday morning taking the red eye the night before. We were coming from different places and meeting in PHX.

Sedona was his idea. Truthfully the name barely meant anything to me. I'd heard it floated around in the past and I barely researched it before going. I'm glad about that because I was in for a very nice surprise.

I booked my flight using UA points direct from JFK to PHX economy there and first for the return. I figured that I may be able to sleep a bit in  first and since I'd be going to work directly from the airport I needed as much sleep as I can get.

We met up in PHX and rented our car, declining to take the Ferrari that Hertz offered for $2000 a day and instead opting for the slightly more modest Mazda 6.

As a city Phoenix was totally unimpressive to me, at least the Jewish residential parts that I saw. The city is flat and extremely dry, although there is some beautiful mountain scenery surrounding the city. The homes are low and it seemed like there were gentlemen’s clubs everywhere.

We had brunch at Manhattan Pizza and Subs. It was totally empty on this Sunday morning and the tuna salad and pizza was surprisingly good.

We stopped at a friend’s house and strapped on our hiking shoes and camelbacks.
Our first stop was to hike Squaw peak (also known by it’s official name Piestewa Peak). The Summit Trail (elevation gain = 1,190 feet in 1.2 miles [thanks Wikipedia] ) is much harder than it looks, because as you reach the summit of each hill you can see another taller one behind it. In any case, I made it very close to the top before I came to the realization that drinking all that water might not have been a great idea. Up on the mountain there is absolutely no privacy. Everyone above you can see right down and the people below you can see right up. Apparently, there are rattlesnakes just off the path so that kind of limited my options. Anyway I scooted down and I can’t say I regretted that decision very much because I think I saw all there was to see: a big kind of dreary smog filled valley. I hope this doesn’t sound too negative; maybe it’s because it was a cloudy day. Mostly I recall the city being a grayish sandy color. One cool thing was the orange trees which were all over, and the huge saguaro cactus.

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We had supper at our friends and then left to Sedona. The trip there is about 1 ½ hours and we got there well after sunset. The road in to Sedona is an official All American Highway and it’s easy to see why although I didn't get to see it until the next day. We had a room booked at the Amara Hotel and Spa which ended up costing $110/night on Priceline. I believe it was $300/night on the hotel website. Our stay there was great, I highly recommend it although be sure to get a room with a view. The rooms were beautiful and spotless although the bathroom looked a bit dated and the tub was tiny. They had a nice Starbucks spread around the coffee machine and that’s always nice. We observed hotel staff giving others the ‘timeshare schmooze’ but we didn't get one, Thank G-d.

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Our hotel room windows looked out at snoopy rock (the lower formation).

The next morning I woke up and peeked out the window. Basically, nothing can really prepare you for this place in my opinion. Sedona is Gorgeous. All the pictures don’t do it a speck of justice (Well maybe some of mine do ;) ). Everywhere you look there are huge towering mesas of bright red rock. Bizarre formations with names like “Snoopy” (-actually looks like snoopy) “Bell Rock” “The courthouse”. At the bottom there is bright green vegetation but about halfway up the rock formations become sheer cliffs and the sun at different angles turns the rock into breathtaking, dazzling works of art. These ‘mountains’ are everywhere and the feeling that you get is like being on the surface of mars except with plants.   

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Taken at the Information Center on the All American Highway.

You can clearly see the different layers in the mountains (technically mesas or buttes), some are light red, some dark red and some white. Every mesa has the stripes on the exact same level so it’s easy to see why the theory is that it used to be the bottom of a prehistoric ocean.
The city is very touristy and we avoided that whole aspect. It is built in a very clever way though, so if you are out hiking up one of the mesas the city blends in very well and can’t really be seen.

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Bell Rock just behind Ace Hardware

My bro-in-Law had been to the Grand Canyon twice before and wasn’t really interested in going again. I had never been and figured if I came this far I’d better go see it. I drove up through Oak Creek Canyon, a stunning peaceful meandering drive up towards the GC. There was no cell coverage there but there were lots of bed and breakfasts. Coming out of the canyon it was a very direct trip up north and took me 2 ½ hours including bathroom/souvenir pit stops.   

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On the road into Oak Creek Canyon

One thing about Arizona is the climate. I was lucky to get to the GC when it was about 50 degrees in mid-afternoon. But that was a warm day and there was still snow on the ground. The week before it had been colder there than in New Jersey while Phoenix was in the upper 70s. Inside the canyon it is over 20 degrees hotter than at the rim. The cold was the reason I almost didn’t go.

I am very hesitant to post my pictures of the Grand Canyon. (I think I’ll find the best online picture taken from where I stood. The pictures I took look a bit washed out from the bright sun.) For those who have been there, you know what I mean, and for those who haven’t, this is one situation where the picture seriously minimizes the sheer amazingness of the place. I’d seen pictures before I went and never felt very moved by them but seeing it in person was a very different experience.

You walk through a forest following the small crowd and then suddenly the floor disappears. My jaw dropped and if my brain was able to talk it would have said something like “AAAAAHHOOOOHHHHUUUUUNNHHH!!!” Anyway, that’s what the people around me said when they saw it. The canyon is over 6000 feet (over a mile) deep, up to 18 miles wide and 277 miles long. There is an utter silence that hangs over the entire canyon. You cannot see anything moving. No birds, animals, planes, nothing. Due to its depth and width you can see for miles and miles. I can’t think of anything else on earth that humans can observe with a perspective for its size.
What I thought was the whole thing just looks so fake! I would not have been surprised if someone had peeled the view away and it was just a picture on a screen.

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View from Mather Point on the south rim. Photo Credit. Design and Creation Credit: HaShem

If you stare at one gap in the cliffs at the center, you can just make out a short stretch of the Colorado River a mile below. That’s approximately five times the height of the empire state observation deck.

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The Colorado River. I took this one

After gawking for a bit more than an hour I decided it was time to go. I still had lots of stuff to do in Sedona and as they say “G-d created the Grand Canyon, but He lives in Sedona” a testimony on the beauty of Sedona. I’ll just say that the GC is something you must see in your life. I bet it’s just about the most amazing sight in the world and if you think I’m wrong you’ve probably never been there.

Along the way home I got a bit lost which I’m not complaining about because I got drive down a bit of historic Route 66, something I’d been hoping to do.

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I made it back to Sedona, this time driving up the Red Rock Scenic Byway, picked up my BIL, and together we headed to hike up Cathedral Rock. If you do some research you’ll find out about the four ‘vortexes’ in Sedona that has people coming from all over to heal them or connect to nature or just to smoke pot. Sedona is very welcoming to pot heads and spiritual seekers. Anyway, Cathedral Rock is one of the four vortexes and we started the hike about an hour or so before sunset.

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Cathedral Rock

Here are some views from up top:
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You can see how the city blends into the scenery
The hiking there can get very steep and it’s worth investing in a quality pair of hiking shoes. At times the trail leads up vertical clefts in the rock and may not be recommended for those with a fear of heights or people who are out of shape.
At the top there are a few narrow ‘saddles’ that sit between the giant stone fingers and when you get to the top you can see the view from both sides. Here is the other side:

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The Saddle looking towards the side we came up from.

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Stone fingers

We davened mincha up there, and then went down and back to our hotel where we finished the day by eating a supper of shrink-wrapped turkey drumstick and prepared salads, and then soaked in the outdoor hot tub under the stars before going to bed.

The next day was to be our last in Arizona. We got up pretty early and headed out.

To be continued...
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: Something Fishy on April 16, 2013, 02:07:12 AM

Awesome TR and amazing pictures! Looking forward to part 2.

Since I started here I'll post it here. If anyone wants to I guess you can move it. If it's too long please let me know.

No such thing as a too long trip report ;)
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: Yaalili on April 16, 2013, 07:08:31 AM
Awesome TR and amazing pictures! Looking forward to part 2.

+1, thanks!
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: Name Changed on April 16, 2013, 07:31:26 AM
Great write up so far!

I was in Sedona GC and Scottsdale this past winter too, but my trip was a little different...
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: az on April 16, 2013, 07:54:55 AM
Is there any interest in a trip report for my three day trip to Phoenix/Sedona/Grand Canyon?
+100
one of the coolest trips i ever took!!
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: Achas Veachas on April 16, 2013, 08:21:05 AM
Wow! Amazing TR!
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: yehuda S on April 16, 2013, 10:54:43 AM
Awesome TR and amazing pictures! Looking forward to part 2.

No such thing as a too long trip report ;)

Thanks everyone for the feedback. It gives me a push to continue.

These things are harder to write than they look. Makes me appreciate all of Dan's reports.
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: yehuda S on April 16, 2013, 10:56:06 AM
I was in Sedona GC and Scottsdale this past winter too, but my trip was a little different...

Hope it was for happy reasons...
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: AJK on April 16, 2013, 11:52:00 AM
These things are harder to write than they look.

+100
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: Mutty on April 16, 2013, 12:19:58 PM
Just WOW! Thanks.
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: E-MAN on April 16, 2013, 04:51:48 PM
Wow! Amazing TR!
+1
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Post by: Dan on April 16, 2013, 04:59:07 PM
Well done so far!
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: Achas Veachas on April 16, 2013, 05:05:06 PM
+100
+100 but oh so much fun :)
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: Mordy2 on April 16, 2013, 05:28:23 PM
Well done so far!

+1
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: yehuda S on April 17, 2013, 12:21:27 PM
Thanks everyone!

Ok, Part II :

Things got pretty interesting on our last day. 

We decided to hike up bell rock which if I recall correctly is considered to be the main vortex. One elderly gentleman we met on the trail explained it as follows:

The reason the rock is red is because of the 2% iron in the rock that oxidizes (i.e. rusts) when exposed to the elements. Since there is iron everywhere, people believe it creates an electromagnetic force and at the center it causes a vortex that has unusual properties and can heal people of their diseases and so on.

As you can see from this photo, the mesa is kind of shaped like a bell:


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Where the sides slope up but at a certain point the cliff becomes sheer. We made it to the bottom of the cliff and were enjoying the amazing view:

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Then we figured we'd start heading back down. That's when we met Mark. Mark had Lupus, a disease which he says totally went away when he came to Sedona. He says he is a prisoner in Sedona. He informed us that he'd be happy to take us to the top of bell rock and show us the view.

Apparently one side of the bell opens up  and instead of sheer cliffs there is slightly less sheer cliffs. It looked terrifying to me, there was absolutely nothing to hold onto for much of the way requiring one to balance on a steep sloping cliff. If you slipped it was a long roll/fall down with nothing to break the fall. Death would probably result.

But Mark insisted that he was there to help. He knows the place like the back of his hand. Seriously he showed us every handhold and foothold. At one point he told us to walk past a huge beehive halfway up the cliff. "Don't swat the bees. If one stings you they'll all come after you." I don't know how I did it because I. hate. bees.


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The crevice and path to the top

Well, Mark guided us right to the top where there are a bunch of  platforms to climb onto. My legs were shaking and my knees felt weak. We had no climbing gear and I had never rock climbed before. If one handhold in the rock had broken off in my hand or my foot slipped I don't think I'd be here to write this report. The rock there is sandstone and it  can crumble in your hand.

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Halfway up

The top is not flat. It consists of a bunch of different size platforms with crevices everywhere and higher platforms to climb. To get to one area of the top you need to take a 'leap of faith' to jump from one platform to the other. Do it right because it's a long fall. On the platform is a metal box screwed to the rock with pens and notebooks for people to leave their thoughts.

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Top of the Rock

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raised platform on one side. One slip and hundreds of feet of free fall. Also note the white rock at the top and the white layer of rock in the mesas in the distance. Same height.

By the way there is no way to get to the very pinnacle of bell rock which is a platform that's raised high in the center of the top.

The views from the top were incredible although a bit hard to appreciate with my stomach churning and unable to stop thinking about the trip down. On the way up I had watched a girl who was going down slip and be caught in the nick of time by the guy she was with. 

Going down was easier in a way but also scarier because you have to walk down a steep slope with nothing to hold onto. You absolutely need really good grippy hiking shoes for this although some crackpot was doing it barefoot.


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Going down - Mark is the one with the cowboy hat

On our way down we came to smooth drop in the stone that was almost vertical and about twenty feet high. Mark told us to straighten one leg and squat on the other one and just slide down the rock using the heel of our squatting foot to slow the fall. This is making me queasy just remembering it. I remember sliding down the rock and wondering what would happen if my heel lost its grip for a moment. There was absolutely nothing to grab onto except smooth red rock.

I thought Mark might ask for money for taking us to the top but he didn't and really protested when I offered him $20. I made him take it partly because I really appreciated what a great comforting guide he was and partly because I was so happy to be alive. Right before we took leave of him, we bumped into a group of young girls and Mark happily volunteered to take them to the top.

At this point we decided that we had 'done' Sedona and it was time to leave   We stopped at a supermarket to grab some food for the drive back to Phoenix and got in the car to leave.

A word about Sedona's supermarkets. They are gorgeous and there is of course plenty of food that even a Cholov Yisroelnik like me could eat. You just have to keep an open mind. Fruit, vegetables, naked smoothie drinks, chips, bagels etc. they even had a nice section of Hertzog wines. Sedona is an expensive place to live and the stores represent that.

Our next stop was to see Montezuma's Castle National Monument. This is a tiny park where you can see the adobe style apartment building built into the cliff about 1000 years ago. This is impressive until you realize that 2400 years ago they were building the second Temple in Jerusalem and the Colosseum in Rome.

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Montezuma's Castle - you cannot go up there

The park may be small but it is very well maintained and beautiful with white beech trees (I think) all over and a river nearby. The fee is $5 for adults.

When I went to the grand canyon the lady selling me my ticket ($25 and included parking) asked if i was planning on visiting any other national parks. I said no but I'm pretty sure if I had said yes I could have gotten a pass and visited this park for free. Oh well, you live and learn. Both park tickets are valid for 7 days.

Montezuma's Castle is located on an Indian reservation - I think Navajo. The reservation was weird and looked very run down and littered (The park itself was spotless). There was a small kitschy casino nearby. Apparently the only person who benefits from these casinos is the chief. The others remain just as hopelessly poor. From what I understand, American Indians are just about the most dysfunctional groups of people in the U.S. with lots of domestic abuse, alcoholism and general uselessness.

We left the park after a short while. The drive back to Phoenix was uneventful and beautiful. The road to Phoenix slopes down and when you get to about 3500 feet above sea level the cacti appear suddenly. They are very big and tall and are everywhere.

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Saguaro Cacti

Phoenix city is the sixth largest city in America which is pretty astounding to me because I got the feeling (from my few hours there) that if I ever needed to run away from the law it would be the perfect place to hide. Dusty dreary and bleak just like the old desert towns that you read about. I expected to see a sheriff or two on horseback.

Apparently Phoenix was hit really hard in 2008 and it shows. When driving from the inside out you come to a point where the communities of beautiful homes are just blacked out. No lights and no activity. And they stretch for miles and miles like some kind of high tech ghost town. Driving past them was very depressing . Tens of thousands of brand new homes just sitting there vacant. Modern glass office buildings, empty, with torn 'Space Available' signs dangling listlessly over the side.

After stopping at CVS to pick up some vanilla reload cards, we showered at our friends and headed for the airport. My seat in first (1A) while comfortable did not allow me to sleep one iota better than in economy. I don't know how others do it, they plop into their seat, put on an eye mask and just fall asleep until the plane lands. It takes me 45 minutes to find a comfortable position at which time I'm just beginning to realize I need to pee. Oh well, that's life.

Overall this trip was one of the most amazing experiences I've ever had.

Here are two pictures I took with my iPhone's Panarama feature:

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View from Cathedral Rock

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The Grand Canyon



Here are some things I learned:

1. No need to go crazy with kosher food. If you are traveling in the U.S. there is no need to base an itinerary off the local kosher restaurant situation. Buy almond milk and cereal, fruits and veggies. Also granola bars, tuna fish and mayo, fruit smoothies... there is a ton you can eat and if you eat choliv stam you are home free. No need to worry about packing vacuum sealed cholent and kishka.

2. Fancy things are not needed for a good trip. While our hotel was nice, we spent very little time there, rented a basic car and ate plain food from local supermarkets. I've got nothing against eating in nice restaurants and renting luxury cars but when it comes right down to it they aren't needed to have a great time.

3. Vacations in America are easier. People speak the language and you don't need to worry about foreign exchange fees. People drive on the same side of the road too. And of course the culture is the best in the world.


4. People are really nice out west - true story.

5. Every mountain has it's 'Mark'. Mark was awesome.


6. There are amazing places right here in America. Really, there are so many places just in Arizona that I didn't get to see:


•   Slot canyons
•   Coyote Buttes - you need to win a park lottery three months in advance to see this place.
•   Actually going into the GC
•   Painted desert
•   Saguaro National Park
•   Petrified Forest
•   San Francisco volcanic valley
•   Lake Powell
•   Canyon de Chelly
•   List goes on and on... Right into Utah!

Amazingly I found this video on YouTube by a guy who went up with Mark. In it he takes the 'Leap of Faith'!



Hope you enjoyed reading. Until next time, my upcoming trip to Alaska for a week in July..
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: Achas Veachas on April 17, 2013, 12:35:07 PM
Amazing! Awesome TR and Awesomer pictures :)
Thanks for taking the time.
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: Something Fishy on April 17, 2013, 12:44:14 PM
 Awesome!  Don't know how you did the bell hike. I'm  terrified just thinking about it.
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: Mordy2 on April 17, 2013, 06:03:44 PM
Amazing, detailed trip report! Thanks for all the info and awesome pics!
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: Achas Veachas on April 17, 2013, 06:11:57 PM
BTW I loved the way you finished it off, Tachlis.
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: Yaalili on April 17, 2013, 07:23:23 PM
Great TR, got me looking at tickets to go there ;)
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: yehuda S on April 17, 2013, 08:11:41 PM
BTW I loved the way you finished it off, Tachlis.

Thanks, but which part were you referring to?
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: yehuda S on April 17, 2013, 08:12:25 PM
Great TR, got me looking at tickets to go there ;)
This is one trip you will not regret although it gets very hot in the summer.
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: Achas Veachas on April 17, 2013, 08:14:16 PM
Thanks, but which part were you referring to?
Just the whole thing, it was very well put.
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: yehuda S on April 17, 2013, 08:52:48 PM
Thank you  ;)
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: Something Fishy on April 21, 2013, 01:25:46 AM
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View from Mather Point on the south rim. Photo Credit. Design and Creation Credit: HaShem

I originally read your TR on my phone, so I didn't really appreciate the pictures. Looking at them now on the computer they're even more awesome! Especially this picture of the GC. I love how you captured the scale of it all - look how tiny the people on the left are!
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: yehuda S on April 21, 2013, 01:54:10 AM
Thanks but as I noted in the post this is the one picture I didn't take  :P
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: Something Fishy on April 21, 2013, 02:07:32 AM
Thanks but as I noted in the post this is the one picture I didn't take  :P

Oops :P :P :P. Although where do you say that? All I see is this:
View from Mather Point on the south rim. Photo Credit. Design and Creation Credit: HaShem
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: txtmax4 on April 21, 2013, 02:42:52 AM
Great write up so far!

I was in Sedona GC and Scottsdale Phoenix this past winter too, but my trip was a little different...
+1
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: yehuda S on April 21, 2013, 09:25:12 AM
Oops :P :P :P. Although where do you say that? All I see is this:

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I am very hesitant to post my pictures of the Grand Canyon. (I think I’ll find the best online picture taken from where I stood. The pictures I took look a bit washed out from the bright sun
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: chaya123 on April 22, 2013, 09:34:50 PM
Very good(and accurate!) write up! You never made it to the creek though?
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: txtmax4 on April 22, 2013, 09:45:56 PM
You never made it to the creek though?
You mean Red Rock creek? The little national park?
Is there water in Sedona anywhere else but there cause I was really searching to see the water-red rocks combination and was told to go there but didn't have too much time till sunset. Basically all I managed to see of the above mentioned combination is the image below but I saw more images online, are they all in that park or there's more elsewhere?
(http://i37.tinypic.com/i3rpn5.jpg)
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: yehuda S on April 23, 2013, 12:38:25 AM
Very good(and accurate!) write up! You never made it to the creek though?

Nope. Not sure what creek you are referring to.
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: chaya123 on April 23, 2013, 12:45:21 AM
You mean Red Rock creek? The little national park?
Is there water in Sedona anywhere else but there cause I was really searching to see the water-red rocks combination and was told to go there but didn't have too much time till sunset. Basically all I managed to see of the above mentioned combination is the image below but I saw more images online, are they all in that park or there's more elsewhere?


Only in the little park? Oak creek runs all the way from Flagstaff and around the lower lying areas of town! Every few years when there is excess rainfall they have to evacuate people in houses near the creek due to flooding... Basically there are about a million spots to go to, some more well know than others. They also serve different purposes... Red Rock Crossing, the picture you have above is a nice more tourist-y area of the creek, better during the "off season" but nice. Even there though you hike quite a bit and find interesting spots less highly populated. The hiking trails by the creek(through Oak Creek Canyon enroute to Flagstaff) are good too for the summer especially. Favorite trail of those being westfork. (see https://www.google.com/search?q=west+fork+sedona )

I think the Verde River actually might connect to Sedona as well...
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: txtmax4 on April 23, 2013, 09:24:16 AM
Only in the little park? Oak creek runs all the way from Flagstaff and around the lower lying areas of town! Every few years when there is excess rainfall they have to evacuate people in houses near the creek due to flooding... Basically there are about a million spots to go to, some more well know than others. They also serve different purposes... Red Rock Crossing, the picture you have above is a nice more tourist-y area of the creek, better during the "off season" but nice. Even there though you hike quite a bit and find interesting spots less highly populated. The hiking trails by the creek(through Oak Creek Canyon enroute to Flagstaff) are good too for the summer especially. Favorite trail of those being westfork. (see https://www.google.com/search?q=west+fork+sedona )

I think the Verde River actually might connect to Sedona as well...

I stopped at Oak Creek Canyon on my way down from Flagstaff to Sedona but, although the scenery is nice, I saw no red rocks there..

Regarding the water spots, everyone in town just told me to go to Red Rock Creek. I'd think if there were a million spots to go to I'd pass them, I really was all over town...

Below is a pic of Oak Creek Canyon, I was told by some locals just to drive through it if en route to Sedona and not to delve much in it as it is nothing compared to Sedona.. is there more to it?
(http://i36.tinypic.com/neuv51.jpg)
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: chaya123 on April 23, 2013, 11:13:31 PM
I stopped at Oak Creek Canyon on my way down from Flagstaff to Sedona but, although the scenery is nice, I saw no red rocks there..

Regarding the water spots, everyone in town just told me to go to Red Rock Creek. I'd think if there were a million spots to go to I'd pass them, I really was all over town...

Below is a pic of Oak Creek Canyon, I was told by some locals just to drive through it if en route to Sedona and not to delve much in it as it is nothing compared to Sedona.. is there more to it?
(http://i36.tinypic.com/neuv51.jpg)

I guess it depends what you are looking for but it really does go down around the lower town...

This(none are my pictures) is up creek from where you were to illustrate... If you have more time probably would have went up. More rocks up there and better waterslides. You could keep hiking up or down for a while though if you are sticking on the main path(and then some if you have good shoes and/or walk across.)
(http://www.redstonetours.com/rst/userfiles/image/RedRockCrossing.jpg)

This is down in the canyon during a very low water level time. (Varies greatly between seasons.)
(http://i36.tinypic.com/sdzpg7.jpg)

(http://i37.tinypic.com/sm6l20.jpg)

For the serious hikers this photo is probably about right past the three mile(official trail end) mark at Westfork(trail in canyon). Very well known and still cool even if you aren't up to the long hike. (google westfork sedona for better photos)
(http://i33.tinypic.com/xba73p.jpg)

Theres plenty more areas where people hang out more or less similar to the above. For internet speed-sake I'll leave you with that. All does depend on the season you go... My brother and his friends the second the creek got warm enough used to go jump off the cliffs near Midgley bridge(the big one right outside town in canyon).

Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: txtmax4 on April 23, 2013, 11:17:44 PM
Just to understand correctly, all those pictures are Sedona, not Oak Creek Canyon, right?
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: chaya123 on April 23, 2013, 11:21:51 PM
Just to understand correctly, all those pictures are Sedona, not Oak Creek Canyon, right?

They are kind of considered one in the same... the bottom of the canyon is sedona, the top flagstaff.  The creek area you went to is down where it all loops around below I guess but these are all just the same creek. Let me see if I can find a good map...
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: chaya123 on April 23, 2013, 11:25:22 PM
This map will give you an idea of what I mean it goes down into town...

http://www.discoverymap.com/Arizona/map-of-sedona-oak-creek-jerome-arizona.html
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: txtmax4 on April 23, 2013, 11:30:34 PM
What I was trying to say in one of my previous posts is that creek scenery north of Sedona might be a nice place for  people who live 5 minutes from there to go for a little hike. But for us tourists, if we're going to be around that area, we're not gonna spend more than 2 minutes there knowing that Sedona (i.e. red rock beautiful scenery) is right around the corner.
I might be totally wrong but based on my research that's what I gathered and did.

Mind clarifying?
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: chaya123 on April 23, 2013, 11:49:30 PM
What I was trying to say in one of my previous posts is that creek scenery north of Sedona might be a nice place for  people who live 5 minutes from there to go for a little hike. But for us tourists, if we're going to be around that area, we're not gonna spend more than 2 minutes there knowing that Sedona (i.e. red rock beautiful scenery) is right around the corner.
I might be totally wrong but based on my research that's what I gathered and did.

Mind clarifying?

You're right it does totally depend on your trip length, what you are looking for. I can tell you that the canyon is filled with tourists so much so they had to ban parking along the road for safety reasons. Locals aren't so interested because it actually is out of the way and worse with tourist traffic. Parts are definitely worth it though in the summer months when anywhere else is pretty brutal. As I said originally, its a good write up you really got a feel for the some of the great sightseeing spots in town, I was just curious!
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: yehuda S on April 24, 2013, 02:15:51 PM
This map will give you an idea of what I mean it goes down into town...

http://www.discoverymap.com/Arizona/map-of-sedona-oak-creek-jerome-arizona.html

Hey, this is a great map! Thanks
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: moka on March 30, 2016, 03:35:06 PM
any point hotels in the sedona area?
spg and hyatt dont seem to have anything.
if i have to pay, any recommendations?
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: Joe4007 on March 30, 2016, 04:37:06 PM
any point hotels in the sedona area?
spg and hyatt dont seem to have anything.
if i have to pay, any recommendations?
http://hyattpinonpointe.hyatt.com/en/hotel/home.html
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: moka on March 30, 2016, 07:39:12 PM
http://hyattpinonpointe.hyatt.com/en/hotel/home.html
its not bookable with points or free nights
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: Joe4007 on March 30, 2016, 07:49:16 PM
its not bookable with points or free nights
New thing? Was definitely bookable last year.
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: moka on March 31, 2016, 12:22:12 PM
New thing? Was definitely bookable last year.
Yes seems so. I called twice.
I booked the hilton sedona for cash. 
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: bigworld on April 01, 2016, 04:38:22 PM
Anyone have any advice what to do with tefillin in car on a day trip when its 95 degrees outside?
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: moka on April 01, 2016, 05:27:04 PM
Anyone have any advice what to do with tefillin in car on a day trip when its 95 degrees outside?
maybe a insulated bag would help
Something like this
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/221806226403?lpid=82&chn=ps&ul_ref=http%253A%252F%252Frover.ebay.com%252Frover%252F1%252F711-117182-37290-0%252F2%253Fmtid%253D1588%2526kwid%253D1%2526crlp%253D53601919689_324272%2526itemid%253D221806226403%2526targetid%253D154774680249%2526rpc%253D0.10%2526rpc_upld_id%253D67332%2526device%253Dt%2526mpre%253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.ebay.com%25252Fulk%25252Fitm%25252Flike%25252F221806226403%25253Flpid%25253D82%252526chn%25253Dps%2526adtype%253Dpla%2526googleloc%253D9003971%2526poi%253D9003976%2526campaignid%253D239125209%2526adgroupid%253D14978428809%2526rlsatarget%253Dpla-154774680249%2526gclid%253DCjwKEAjwuPi3BRClk8TyyMLloxgSJAAC0XsjuWAaUSlcysWvhFMZqLPAN4ORK3oRfeJbUZA6EqNE3BoCz9rw_wcB%2526srcrot%253D711-117182-37290-0%2526rvr_id%253D1008009692005&ul_noapp=true
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: bigworld on April 03, 2016, 10:46:24 AM
maybe a insulated bag would help
Something like this
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/221806226403?lpid=82&chn=ps&ul_ref=http%253A%252F%252Frover.ebay.com%252Frover%252F1%252F711-117182-37290-0%252F2%253Fmtid%253D1588%2526kwid%253D1%2526crlp%253D53601919689_324272%2526itemid%253D221806226403%2526targetid%253D154774680249%2526rpc%253D0.10%2526rpc_upld_id%253D67332%2526device%253Dt%2526mpre%253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.ebay.com%25252Fulk%25252Fitm%25252Flike%25252F221806226403%25253Flpid%25253D82%252526chn%25253Dps%2526adtype%253Dpla%2526googleloc%253D9003971%2526poi%253D9003976%2526campaignid%253D239125209%2526adgroupid%253D14978428809%2526rlsatarget%253Dpla-154774680249%2526gclid%253DCjwKEAjwuPi3BRClk8TyyMLloxgSJAAC0XsjuWAaUSlcysWvhFMZqLPAN4ORK3oRfeJbUZA6EqNE3BoCz9rw_wcB%2526srcrot%253D711-117182-37290-0%2526rvr_id%253D1008009692005&ul_noapp=true
I guess thats the only option with an ice pack. Thanks.
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: kivabb on August 23, 2018, 04:24:20 PM
I'm looking to take my wife and 9 kids (ranging from 2 to 20) to Sedona for 1 night as part of a bigger trip.

Any suggestions of family type suites that anyone has had experience with and would recommend would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Sedona, AZ
Post by: damaxer91 on August 23, 2018, 09:51:13 PM
I'm looking to take my wife and 9 kids (ranging from 2 to 20) to Sedona for 1 night as part of a bigger trip.

Any suggestions of family type suites that anyone has had experience with and would recommend would be appreciated.

There are some great options there on AirBNB and HomeAway for all budgets.