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Title: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on May 07, 2013, 12:56:27 AM
Can't decide which camera to get? Trying to decide between a Mirrorless or a DSLR? Ask away!

Please ask your questions here instead of in the Learn Photography Master Thread (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=28108.0). Let's keep that thread to photography related discussions, not camera buying discussions.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on May 07, 2013, 01:20:51 AM
Copied the "Point and Shoot vs. Mirrorless vs. DSLR" lesson to the wiki.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on May 13, 2013, 08:34:00 AM
@somethingfishy


Is Amazon the best price for the Nex 5 or can it be had for cheaper somewhere else?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on May 13, 2013, 09:15:25 AM
@somethingfishy


Is Amazon the best price for the Nex 5 or can it be had for cheaper somewhere else?

You could get them for cheaper every now and then. Just remember that especially with cameras, if a deal looks too good to be true it usually is. Always check Resellersratings.com  before buying a camera from any site you're not familiar with.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on May 13, 2013, 09:19:46 AM
You could get them for cheaper every now and then. Just remember that especially with cameras, if a deal looks too good to be true it usually is. Always check Resellersratings.com  before buying a camera from any site you're not familiar with.

Well that's why I'll provably end up buying it from Amazon themselves or Sony Return.

If its pretty comparable I'd give up my SLR and just stick with the Nex.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on May 13, 2013, 09:31:24 AM
Well that's why I'll provably end up buying it from Amazon themselves or Sony Return.

If its pretty comparable I'd give up my SLR and just stick with the Nex.

Remember that quality is comparable, but operation and lenses are not.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on May 20, 2013, 12:13:07 AM
post really beyond here
Panasonic gx1 on sale for $244. the seller also has open box ones under used for $199 which he says come with manufacturers warranty. I messaged him to find out if it comes with full warranty. if it does I may jump on it. @something fishy-do you recommend this as a starter camera? is this deal as good as it gets?
am I safe with the open box or should I get the new one?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on May 20, 2013, 12:23:34 AM
post really beyond here
Panasonic gx1 on sale for $244. the seller also has open box ones under used for $199 which he says come with manufacturers warranty. I messaged him to find out if it comes with full warranty. if it does I may jump on it. @something fishy-do you recommend this as a starter camera? is this deal as good as it gets?
am I safe with the open box or should I get the new one?

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=28092.msg496778#msg496778
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: jack on July 24, 2013, 12:32:27 AM
Haven't had a chance to read the lessons - on my wish list of things to do... but my camera was stolen - canon s110
 (purchased on amazon with my starwoods 101 days ago - anyone know if I stand a chance with amex?)
Need another for work immediately my most important use is for indoor pictures of rooms - need wide angle, and furniture.  I am not very knowledgeable in how to get the camera to work for me other than holding it steady and my subjects never move.  What do you recommend? 
point and shoot? mirror less or dslr- is there one simple setting and lens?
Before this one I had the canon s95 which has gone up to $683.00 on amazon I dropped it on a rock hiking is it worth fixing?  selling?

Thanks Something Fishy for all the information etc.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Ez on November 14, 2013, 01:51:20 PM
Fujifilm X-S1 12 MP Digital Camera with 26x Zoom

Amazon Deal of the Day

$379.99

Link (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B006T7QRN2/ref=gbsl_tit_l-1_2722_722ad10a?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_t=701&pf_rd_s=left-new-1&pf_rd_r=0GR5Q343H83BSZKE12V7&pf_rd_i=20&pf_rd_p=1649092722)

Any advice if it's a good deal or not?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: ari9 on November 29, 2013, 01:45:23 AM
any good BF/CM deals on a mirrorless?
my p&s just broke and want to move up in life...
@somethingfishy: stick to panasonic, olympus, or sony, that right?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on November 29, 2013, 01:47:33 AM

@somethingfishy: stick to panasonic, olympus, or sony, that right?

Fuji x cameras are lovely too.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: smurf on November 29, 2013, 10:42:13 AM
http://m.bestbuy.com/m/e/product/detail.jsp?id=pcmprd215000050015&skuId=9999216100050015&st=camera%20bundles&lp=5&cp=1&pid=pcmprd215000050015
115IS bundle $99
Or
http://m.bestbuy.com/m/e/product/detail.jsp?id=pcmprd215100050057&skuId=9999216200050057&st=camera%20bundles&lp=11&cp=1&pid=pcmprd215100050057
330 hs bundle 129
 Or from bh
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/842882-REG/Canon_6160B001_PowerShot_ELPH_530_HS.html
530 hs for $114
 
Any opinions? I'm looking to spend in this range, any other suggestions you think are better?
Tia
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: ari9 on November 29, 2013, 10:53:06 AM
Fuji x cameras are lovely too.
Thank you.
Is it possible to get something good for under $500?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on November 29, 2013, 11:25:04 AM
http://m.bestbuy.com/m/e/product/detail.jsp?id=pcmprd215000050015&skuId=9999216100050015&st=camera%20bundles&lp=5&cp=1&pid=pcmprd215000050015
115IS bundle $99
Or
http://m.bestbuy.com/m/e/product/detail.jsp?id=pcmprd215100050057&skuId=9999216200050057&st=camera%20bundles&lp=11&cp=1&pid=pcmprd215100050057
330 hs bundle 129
 Or from bh
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/842882-REG/Canon_6160B001_PowerShot_ELPH_530_HS.html
530 hs for $114
 
Any opinions? I'm looking to spend in this range, any other suggestions you think are better?
Tia

You can't beat the Canon HS's, get that over the 115. Only other thing I'd recommend is the SX280 is you want a longer zoom.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on November 29, 2013, 11:26:30 AM
Thank you.
Is it possible to get something good for under $500?

Sure. Sony, Oly, and Panny all have nice models in that range. I'd skip Fuji though for that price.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on November 29, 2013, 11:28:52 AM
Sure. Sony, Oly, and Panny all have nice models in that range. I'd skip Fuji though for that price.

ETA: I'd personally go with Sony or Panasonic in that price range. The Olympuses (olympi?) are slightly weak there.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: smurf on November 29, 2013, 11:49:03 AM
You can't beat the Canon HS's, get that over the 115. Only other thing I'd recommend is the SX280 is you want a longer zoom.
sx280 is $200. I'd that a good price for that model?
Thanks for all the advice
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: notanonymous on November 29, 2013, 11:50:55 AM
Have you seen any deals for a prime lens for a Pentax?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on November 29, 2013, 12:30:50 PM
sx280 is $200. I'd that a good price for that model?
Thanks for all the advice

It's not bad. But is it worth it over the other two for you?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on November 29, 2013, 12:35:52 PM
Have you seen any deals for a prime lens for a Pentax?

Can't say I've looked :P. Pentax isn't exactly very high on most people's lists.

Check B&H and Adorama, there might be something good.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Centro on November 29, 2013, 12:37:58 PM
Is this (http://www.focuscamera.com/canon-powershot-a2500-16-0-mp-digital-camera-red-16gb-sd-hc-memory-card-point-shoot-camera-case-focus-universal-memory-card-reader-accessory-kit.html) (considering the accessories) well priced, regular, overpriced?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Centro on November 29, 2013, 12:59:12 PM
Is this (http://www.focuscamera.com/canon-powershot-a2500-16-0-mp-digital-camera-red-16gb-sd-hc-memory-card-point-shoot-camera-case-focus-universal-memory-card-reader-accessory-kit.html) (considering the accessories) well priced, regular, overpriced?
?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on November 29, 2013, 01:13:26 PM
Is this (http://www.focuscamera.com/canon-powershot-a2500-16-0-mp-digital-camera-red-16gb-sd-hc-memory-card-point-shoot-camera-case-focus-universal-memory-card-reader-accessory-kit.html) (considering the accessories) well priced, regular, overpriced?

Not worth it. Weak camera to begin with, plus worthless accessories (no-name member card, cr**py "tripod", lens cleaner which would probably harm the lens, etc.).
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Centro on November 29, 2013, 01:16:48 PM
Not worth it. Weak camera to begin with, plus worthless accessories (no-name member card, cr**py "tripod", lens cleaner which would probably harm the lens, etc.).
Got it, Tx!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: smurf on November 30, 2013, 08:51:05 PM
http://m.bestbuy.com/m/e/product/detail.jsp?id=pcmprd215000050015&skuId=9999216100050015&st=camera%20bundles&lp=5&cp=1&pid=pcmprd215000050015
115IS bundle $99
Or
http://m.bestbuy.com/m/e/product/detail.jsp?id=pcmprd215100050057&skuId=9999216200050057&st=camera%20bundles&lp=11&cp=1&pid=pcmprd215100050057
330 hs bundle 129
 Or from bh
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/842882-REG/Canon_6160B001_PowerShot_ELPH_530_HS.html
530 hs for $114
 
Any opinions? I'm looking to spend in this range, any other suggestions you think are better?
Tia
so the 330 or the 530?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on November 30, 2013, 08:52:56 PM
so the 330 or the 530?

At that price I'd do 530.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: smurf on November 30, 2013, 09:00:14 PM
At that price I'd do 530.
cuz of the zoom ?
All things being equal I'd take the 330 cuz I still have some nb4 batteries lying around from my last camera
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Dan on November 30, 2013, 09:01:18 PM
The S110 seems like a great deal if you can swing it.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: smurf on November 30, 2013, 09:04:56 PM
The S110 seems like a great deal if you can swing it.
where is it on sale ?
Also why is it so much more then the hs series cameras ?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Dan on November 30, 2013, 09:05:51 PM
DD.com :)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: smurf on November 30, 2013, 09:10:46 PM
DD.com :)
checked, maybe I didn't scroll enough
Anyway reviews on Amazon indicate way too many lens errors.
Fishy, is it really a big problem with S series cameras?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on November 30, 2013, 09:13:32 PM
where is it on sale ?
Also why is it so much more then the hs series cameras ?

Because its easily worth 4 times an hs. Completely different league.

http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/37453
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on November 30, 2013, 09:16:20 PM
checked, maybe I didn't scroll enough
Anyway reviews on Amazon indicate way too many lens errors.
Fishy, is it really a big problem with S series cameras?

ED is a problem with all retractable-lens cameras on the planet, and is directly tied to impact damage. Treat your camera nicely and you'll never see a lens error.

In any case, the s cameras are absolutely not more prone to this than others.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: smurf on November 30, 2013, 09:45:39 PM
S110 is above my budget, leaning towards the 530 from bh with no tax or shipping to nj, and the possibility of sbs credit
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on November 30, 2013, 09:47:38 PM
S110 is above my budget, leaning towards the 530 from bh with no tax or shipping to nj, and the possibility of sbs credit

Then go for it. You're selling yourself short if you choose a new camera based on which batteries you already have.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Ez on December 01, 2013, 01:40:14 AM
Because its easily worth 4 times an hs. Completely different league.

http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/37453

If not planning on adding additional lenses to a mirrorless camera, is the S110 somewhat the alternative to a mirrorless camera? (in terms of manual controls & slim body... ?)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 01, 2013, 01:44:28 AM
If not planning on adding additional lenses to a mirrorless camera, is the S110 somewhat the alternative to a mirrorless camera? (in terms of manual controls & slim body... ?)

Not really. It's a great P&S (one of the very best, in fact), but the quality doesn't approach even the cheapest mirrorless camera. See this photography lesson (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=28108.msg491413#msg491413) and you'll see why any MLess sensor beats an advanced P&S by an order of magnitude.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Ez on December 01, 2013, 01:55:42 AM
Not really. It's a great P&S (one of the very best, in fact), but the quality doesn't approach even the cheapest mirrorless camera. See this photography lesson (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=28108.msg491413#msg491413) and you'll see why any MLess sensor beats an advanced P&S by an order of magnitude.
Thanks for the quick reply.
The only Mless I saw close to that price range was the Nikon J1, is it worth getting?
or any other recommendations in the $350 range?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 01, 2013, 02:29:30 AM
Thanks for the quick reply.
The only Mless I saw close to that price range was the Nikon J1, is it worth getting?
or any other recommendations in the $350 range?

The J1 is one of the most underrated cameras out there. It's actually quite nice (the focus speed is the fastest of any Mless camera). However, keep in mind that sensor-wise it's still below all others - it has a 1" sensor vs. M4/3 or APS-C. So picture quality wise is way ahead of the s110, but still behind all other MLs.

In the $350 range you'd usually find some nice Olympuses and Panasonics. I don't have time now to go look for deals on them, but if you find anything or want to compare some options I'd be happy to help.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: smurf on December 01, 2013, 03:22:21 AM
Amex Twitter deal
Really thinking of jumping for the s110 now
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Dan on December 01, 2013, 09:09:06 AM
Really a crazy deal for an S series. Never been anything even close to that before.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on December 01, 2013, 09:24:21 AM
Really a crazy deal for an S series. Never been anything even close to that before.
Too bad i have too many cameras and my wife would kill me if i got another
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 01, 2013, 09:32:18 AM
im looking to get the canon 70d.

does anyone out there know if theres a better deal than this? (im only interested in the 18-135 stm)

http://www.adorama.com/ICA70DK1L2.html?utm_term=ir&utm_medium=Affiliate&utm_campaign=Other&utm_source=rflaid27795 (i dont know how to remove the affliliate link - not mine)

i figure i can sell off the extra lens and printer, plus the $400 rebate should apply
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 01, 2013, 10:50:43 AM
im looking to get the canon 70d.

does anyone out there know if theres a better deal than this? (im only interested in the 18-135 stm)

http://www.adorama.com/ICA70DK1L2.html?utm_term=ir&utm_medium=Affiliate&utm_campaign=Other&utm_source=rflaid27795 (i dont know how to remove the affliliate link - not mine)

i figure i can sell off the extra lens and printer, plus the $400 rebate should apply

Yeah, I can't find anything better. Looks like a good deal.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 01, 2013, 11:16:44 AM
S110 is above my budget, leaning towards the 530 from bh with no tax or shipping to nj, and the possibility of sbs credit

http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/37231

Still above your budget? Seems like a no-brainer at this point.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: smurf on December 01, 2013, 11:20:04 AM
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/37231

Still above your budget? Seems like a no-brainer at this point.
yup

Amex Twitter deal
Really thinking of jumping for the s110 now
Just registered 10 cards
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 01, 2013, 11:27:58 AM
yup

Yup to above your budget or yup to it being a no-brainer :)?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: notanonymous on December 01, 2013, 11:32:53 AM
Did you see the Mishpacha this week?  Towards the end they had an amateur photo feature.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 01, 2013, 11:36:07 AM
Did you see the Mishpacha this week?  Towards the end they had an amateur photo feature.

In the main magazine? I couldn't find it there.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: smurf on December 01, 2013, 11:41:45 AM
In the main magazine? I couldn't find it there.
155 after tax and less the amex discount, sounds like a no brainer
Is this a betty option than the sx model you mentioned earlier?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: notanonymous on December 01, 2013, 11:45:01 AM
In the main magazine? I couldn't find it there.
In the main magazine.  Mine is AWOL now, so I can't tell you the exact page.  It was a picture of a rebbe bentching chanukah licht.  Towards the end, before the articles about different mosdos.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 01, 2013, 11:51:23 AM
In the main magazine.  Mine is AWOL now, so I can't tell you the exact page.  It was a picture of a rebbe bentching chanukah licht.  Towards the end, before the articles about different mosdos.
under aperture it had the following: iso800  lol

(and btw it wasnt of a rebbe)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 01, 2013, 11:53:37 AM
In the main magazine.  Mine is AWOL now, so I can't tell you the exact page.  It was a picture of a rebbe bentching chanukah licht.  Towards the end, before the articles about different mosdos.

Sweet article. Goes to show that a good photographer could take a great picture even with a really lousy camera.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 01, 2013, 11:54:10 AM
under aperture it had the following: iso800  lol

That was my favorite part :P
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: notanonymous on December 01, 2013, 11:55:12 AM
under aperture it had the following: iso800  lol

(and btw it wasnt of a rebbe)
My memory fails me...who was it?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 01, 2013, 11:55:53 AM
My memory fails me...who was it?
rav kupershtuck
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Dan on December 01, 2013, 02:54:02 PM
under aperture it had the following: iso800  lol
I wish I spoke photography :'(
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 01, 2013, 03:02:46 PM
I wish I spoke photography :'(
i dont speak photography, merely took a beginner class. im sure they have classes on groupon for your area.

aperture is depth of field denoted by the f stop (such as f1.4). basically to determine how much the background is in focus

iso is sensitivity. similar to when you used to buy film for film cameras, you can buy 200 film, 400 film etc.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Dan on December 01, 2013, 03:05:44 PM
i dont speak photography, merely took a beginner class. im sure they have classes on groupon for your area.

aperture is depth of field denoted by the f stop (such as f1.4). basically to determine how much the background is in focus

iso is sensitivity. similar to when you used to buy film for film cameras, you can buy 200 film, 400 film etc.
Yup, actually bought one.
But I'll probably wait for spring to use it.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Little Bob on December 01, 2013, 08:00:37 PM
is this a good deal    http://www.walmart.com/ip/Canon-16-MP-6354B001/21675104
Canon PowerShot SX160 IS 16MP 16x Optical Zoom Digital Camera $79.00 Shipped!

is it a better camera than the elph 530 hs from BH for $114?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: smurf on December 01, 2013, 08:14:01 PM
is this a good deal    http://www.walmart.com/ip/Canon-16-MP-6354B001/21675104
Canon PowerShot SX160 IS 16MP 16x Optical Zoom Digital Camera $79.00 Shipped!

is it a better camera than the elph 530 hs from BH for $114?
and with amex deal is only 59
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: smurf on December 01, 2013, 08:14:50 PM
155 after tax and less the amex discount, sounds like a no brainer
Is this a betty option than the sx model you mentioned earlier?
just bought, and because the sd card was a lightning deal the kit was 3 bucks cheaper
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 01, 2013, 09:04:59 PM
The elph 530 is a far better camera, but the sx is amazing for that price.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Little Bob on December 01, 2013, 09:30:10 PM
I understand that the elph 530 has many more features; has a newer chip and smaller ect but is the quality of pictures noticeably better than the sx?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: ari9 on December 01, 2013, 09:31:46 PM
i'm looking for a mirrorless that would come out to about 350-400 after the amex/amazon promo
which of these would be the best choice?
 
Panasonic DMC-G5KK 16 MP Compact System Camera with 14-42mm Zoom Lens and 3-Inch LCD
http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-DMC-G5KK-Compact-System-14-42mm/dp/B008MB71IS/
595

Fujifilm X-A1 Kit with 16-50mm Lens
http://www.amazon.com/Fujifilm-X-A1-16-50mm-Lens-Black/dp/B00EYTM3FS/
499

Sony NEX-3NL/B Compact Interchangeable Lens Digital Camera Kit
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-NEX-3NL-Compact-Interchangeable-Digital/dp/B00BF9MUAS/
448

Olympus E-PL5 Interchangeable Lens Digital Camera with 14-42mm Lens
http://www.amazon.com/Olympus-Interchangeable-Digital-Camera-14-42mm/dp/B0096WDMGC
499

tia
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on December 01, 2013, 09:35:48 PM
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0090QXG92/ref=sr_1_1_olp?ie=UTF8&qid=1385951661&sr=8-1&keywords=nex+5&condition=used

Would you consider buying used from Amazon?


http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0096W1OKS/ref=sr_1_1_olp?ie=UTF8&qid=1385951749&sr=8-1&keywords=nex+6&condition=used
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 01, 2013, 09:38:27 PM
I understand that the elph 530 has many more features; has a newer chip and smaller ect but is the quality of pictures noticeably better than the sx?

Yes (but not a tremendous difference, especially in bright light). AA batteries are also a pain since they don't last nearly as long as li-ion (although they're obviously easier to find when you run out).
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 01, 2013, 09:42:35 PM
i'm looking for a mirrorless that would come out to about 350-400 after the amex/amazon promo
which of these would be the best choice?
 
Panasonic DMC-G5KK 16 MP Compact System Camera with 14-42mm Zoom Lens and 3-Inch LCD
http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-DMC-G5KK-Compact-System-14-42mm/dp/B008MB71IS/
595

Fujifilm X-A1 Kit with 16-50mm Lens
http://www.amazon.com/Fujifilm-X-A1-16-50mm-Lens-Black/dp/B00EYTM3FS/
499

Sony NEX-3NL/B Compact Interchangeable Lens Digital Camera Kit
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-NEX-3NL-Compact-Interchangeable-Digital/dp/B00BF9MUAS/
448

Olympus E-PL5 Interchangeable Lens Digital Camera with 14-42mm Lens
http://www.amazon.com/Olympus-Interchangeable-Digital-Camera-14-42mm/dp/B0096WDMGC
499

tia

The Sony would be my first choice if you're not planning on getting more that 2-3 lenses at most. THe picture quality will be best on this one.

My next choice would be the Olympus, followed by the Pana. Note that the Pana is not a compact camera; it's a shrunk down DSLR. It also puts a very heavy focus on video, so if that's important that'll give you the best output (the other's are great, too; this one's just the best).

I wouldn't go with the Fuji over any of the others.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 01, 2013, 09:45:45 PM
Would you consider buying used from Amazon?

I personally wouldn't. I'd be far more comfortable on ebay or CL - you're dealing with a real person and could check it out first (on CL at least). But even so, I'd rather pay a bit more for B&H or Adorama. Every camera is checked and tested and comes with some kind of warranty.

For factory refurb I wouldn't hesitate a second.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on December 01, 2013, 10:32:45 PM
I can't believe this has gone on for 5 pages with no mention of the Canon Loyalty Program.

I admit I've been a bit of a mirrorless junky (micro4/3, if anyone is wondering) lately for the ridiculous amount of legacy lens support (Canon FDs and FLs FTW!) and the prospect of Metabones speedboosters and other focal reducers. But I used to be a Canon fanboy, and back then the Loyalty Program was the best kept secret in camera buying.

If I ever replace my Canon bodies (they still get used), I'm definitely going back there for a replacement.

Meanwhile, it looks like some great all around advice in this thread so far. I work with cameras all day and moderate some forums dealing with SLR gear specifically, so if it's OK, I'd like to add some personal opinions if anyone finds it helpful:

1) If buying an interchangeable lens camera, a more expensive model won't necessarily yield better pictures. In fact, a cheaper and simpler model with a better lens will take far better photos than an expensive body with the included kit lens. My advice to new buyers is never to invest in a camera body, they depreciate faster than cellular phones these days, and will be obsolete by the time you learn how to use it properly. Invest in lenses, as the glass holds its value for generations and will make a FAR BIGGER DIFFERENCE in the quality of your pictures than what camera body it is currently resting on. Therefore, I say find the cheapest body that has the features you want (crop, full frame, DR, etc) and then spend the rest of your budget on glass.

2) The best advice I was given when I was first interested in cameras, is to start off going as manual as possible. These days, you have a lot of options with vintage lenses. If you aren't interested in the technical side of optics and exposure, how aperture/shutter/ISO are used in tandem to properly expose your shot with different side effects (and which to use for artistic reasons), then you are probably better off with a point-and-shoot, or perhaps something more like the Sony RX-series, which offer DSLR-quality in a compact form factor. The beauty of interchangeable lenses is in learning how they work, and if you are willing to do a little bit of work on your own (aperture wheels, manual focus, etc), you can get beautiful, sharp and solidly built metal lenses from 20-30 years for a fraction of a modern lens. You'll take gorgeous pictures and save a ton of money, while also learning how this stuff works. When I wanted to flesh out my lens set with modern autofocus variants, I knew much more about what I wanted and how to use them as a result.

I far too often see folks spend a lot of money on a DSLR body, and stick with the kit lens on auto-everything. And I just want to scream, WHY?! ;)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 01, 2013, 10:40:54 PM
I can't believe this has gone on for 5 pages with no mention of the Canon Loyalty Program.

I admit I've been a bit of a mirrorless junky (micro4/3, if anyone is wondering) lately for the ridiculous amount of legacy lens support (Canon FDs and FLs FTW!) and the prospect of Metabones speedboosters and other focal reducers. But I used to be a Canon fanboy, and back then the Loyalty Program was the best kept secret in camera buying.

If I ever replace my Canon bodies (they still get used), I'm definitely going back there for a replacement.

Meanwhile, it looks like some great all around advice in this thread so far. I work with cameras all day and moderate some forums dealing with SLR gear specifically, so if it's OK, I'd like to add some personal opinions if anyone finds it helpful:

1) If buying an interchangeable lens camera, a more expensive model won't necessarily yield better pictures. In fact, a cheaper and simpler model with a better lens will take far better photos than an expensive body with the included kit lens. My advice to new buyers is never to invest in a camera body, they depreciate faster than cellular phones these days, and will be obsolete by the time you learn how to use it properly. Invest in lenses, as the glass holds its value for generations and will make a FAR BIGGER DIFFERENCE in the quality of your pictures than what camera body it is currently resting on. Therefore, I say find the cheapest body that has the features you want (crop, full frame, DR, etc) and then spend the rest of your budget on glass.

2) The best advice I was given when I was first interested in cameras, is to start off going as manual as possible. These days, you have a lot of options with vintage lenses. If you aren't interested in the technical side of optics and exposure, how aperture/shutter/ISO are used in tandem to properly expose your shot with different side effects (and which to use for artistic reasons), then you are probably better off with a point-and-shoot, or perhaps something more like the Sony RX-series, which offer DSLR-quality in a compact form factor. The beauty of interchangeable lenses is in learning how they work, and if you are willing to do a little bit of work on your own (aperture wheels, manual focus, etc), you can get beautiful, sharp and solidly built metal lenses from 20-30 years for a fraction of a modern lens. You'll take gorgeous pictures and save a ton of money, while also learning how this stuff works. When I wanted to flesh out my lens set with modern autofocus variants, I knew much more about what I wanted and how to use them as a result.

I far too often see folks spend a lot of money on a DSLR body, and stick with the kit lens on auto-everything. And I just want to scream, WHY?! ;)

+100000 on just about everything.

One thing though - most people here will be using their cameras primarily for children/family pictures, but want the best quality they could get. Neither an aperture ring nor manual focus lenses will help them in this regard. In fact a manual-focus only lens, while sharp as anything and easily and cheaply available, is almost useless for anything involving a kid.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: ari9 on December 01, 2013, 10:49:55 PM
The Sony would be my first choice if you're not planning on getting more that 2-3 lenses at most. THe picture quality will be best on this one.

Thanks for all the advice so far.
So if I get the Sony that's generally a good choice? (would I get something way better by spending another $100, let's say?)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 01, 2013, 10:51:50 PM
(would I get something way better by spending another $100, let's say?)

Not a better camera, just more features usually.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: ari9 on December 01, 2013, 10:55:36 PM
so I think I'm going to go with this one
I'm mainly looking for great quality of pictures and video (coming from a p&s) and advanced options as I learn some more about picture-taking
I also like that this one isn't so bulky

if I would get this from amazon it would come out to $300 using gc from amex/amazon
bestbuy has it on sale for 350 and with amex/bestbuy its $325
for the extra $25 I'd rather get the amex warranty b/c I'll be buying it straight on a cc
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 01, 2013, 10:58:39 PM
so I think I'm going to go with this one
I'm mainly looking for great quality of pictures and video (coming from a p&s) and advanced options as I learn some more about picture-taking
I also like that this one isn't so bulky

if I would get this from amazon it would come out to $300 using gc from amex/amazon
bestbuy has it on sale for 350 and with amex/bestbuy its $325
for the extra $25 I'd rather get the amex warranty b/c I'll be buying it straight on a cc

I say go for it, this sounds like it meets all your needs perfectly.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: ari9 on December 01, 2013, 11:00:35 PM
I say go for it, this sounds like it meets all your needs perfectly.
ordered!
thanks for all the time and expertise
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 01, 2013, 11:04:07 PM
ordered!
thanks for all the time and expertise

Pleasure :D.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on December 01, 2013, 11:09:26 PM
+100000 on just about everything.

One thing though - most people here will be using their cameras primarily for children/family pictures, but want the best quality they could get. Neither an aperture ring nor manual focus lenses will help them in this regard. In fact a manual-focus only lens, while sharp as anything and easily and cheaply available, is almost useless for anything involving a kid.

True, manual + kids is a pain. I used it a few times on some Samyang glass (beautiful 85mm F/1.4) to catch martial arts sparing. Example of frustration, to say the least.
But at the same time, a bochur friend of mine got an Olympus EPL-1 m4/3 for $120, and on my recommendation picked up some old vintage OM glass, such as a 50mm f/1.8 for $30. Some of his photos of the siyum hashas were submitted to the news coverage of the event, and you'd never know he spent a grand total of $150 on his kit. Lots of fun if you want to learn on the cheap!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 01, 2013, 11:12:58 PM
True, manual + kids is a pain. I used it a few times on some Samyang glass (beautiful 85mm F/1.4) to catch martial arts sparing. Example of frustration, to say the least.
But at the same time, a bochur friend of mine got an Olympus EPL-1 m4/3 for $120, and on my recommendation picked up some old vintage OM glass, such as a 50mm f/1.8 for $30. Some of his photos of the siyum hashas were submitted to the news coverage of the event, and you'd never know he spent a grand total of $150 on his kit. Lots of fun if you want to learn on the cheap!

Again, all 100% correct, but the subjects at the siyum hashas weren't running back and forth. With a moderate aperture and some distance focus could easily become almost a non-issue. But for shooting kids (or martial arts), it's pretty much unusable.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: smurf on December 02, 2013, 12:34:59 AM
Camera buying is impossible, every model I decide on I then say "but for a few bucks more I can get a better one"

In the end I ordered the s110
 Something fishy, thanks for all your advice here, and in the learn photography thread. Much appreciated!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 02, 2013, 12:37:35 AM
Camera buying is impossible, every model I decide on I then say "but for a few bucks more I can get a better one"

In the end I ordered the s110
 Something fishy, thanks for all your advice here, and in the learn photography thread. Much appreciated!

Reminds me of my friend who's been "buying a camera" for 5 years now - "But the next version is gonna be better!".

In any case, my pleasure. :D
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: smurf on December 02, 2013, 12:59:24 AM
Reminds me of my friend who's been "buying a camera" for 5 years now - "But the next version is gonna be better!".

In any case, my pleasure. :D
my rule with technology is that if you need it now then you cant compare to what's coming.Buy the best available option on the market and move on.
 But when the market is flooded with options. Each one a few dollars more then the last, it's hard to know when to stop
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: notanonymous on December 02, 2013, 02:08:16 AM
my rule with technology is that if you need it now then you cant compare to what's coming.Buy the best available option on the market and move on.
 But when the market is flooded with options. Each one a few dollars more then the last, it's hard to know when to stop
Ad shlish...
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: est on December 02, 2013, 01:28:36 PM
I'm looking for a new camera as the elph 110 I bought last yr black Friday for $99 fell yesterday on lens broke. Since this was unexpected I have no research on cameras out there now. I see some posted on the main site, and also was in a local electronics store this morn for something else and they recommended canon 520 for $130. Any recommendations or comparison bet the one I had - and the ones posted and the 530 I see mentioned in this thread and the 520.
I'm not looking to spend more than necessary. I need just everyday pictures of family.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 02, 2013, 01:45:07 PM
I'm looking for a new camera as the elph 110 I bought last yr black Friday for $99 fell yesterday on lens broke. Since this was unexpected I have no research on cameras out there now. I see some posted on the main site, and also was in a local electronics store this morn for something else and they recommended canon 520 for $130. Any recommendations or comparison bet the one I had - and the ones posted and the 530 I see mentioned in this thread and the 520.
I'm not looking to spend more than necessary. I need just everyday pictures of family.

The elph 130 replaced the 110 and is less than a hundred bucks. The 530 is a slight upgrade to the 130, not necessarily worth it if you're trying to keep to a low budget.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: smurf on December 02, 2013, 01:57:10 PM
Now that I bought with amazon GCs as opposed to amex. Should I  get a Square Trade warranty?
with the 40 off coupon its $27 for up to 200 in coverage.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: est on December 02, 2013, 01:58:32 PM
Thanx somethingfishy. U r really being helpful!! My camera cud not have broken at a better time but I feel pressured to buy another one today without any research!
Why is everyone going for the more expensive models like 530 and s110? I found the elph 110 to be very slow especially with the flash. Are the other models faster? Also the auto lighting was off many times, wld that change in the other models
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 02, 2013, 02:06:41 PM
Thanx somethingfishy. U r really being helpful!! My camera cud not have broken at a better time but I feel pressured to buy another one today without any research!
Why is everyone going for the more expensive models like 530 and s110? I found the elph 110 to be very slow especially with the flash. Are the other models faster? Also the auto lighting was off many times, wld that change in the other models

The 530 was going for $15 or so more than the 130 at one point, so it was a worthwhile upgrade for some. The s110 is a completely different class of camera, so it's easily worth the price.

The flag has to recycle, no way around that. Every camera will hang for a couple of seconds while using flash, especially in darker environments (which require more flash power).

What do you mean by "auto lighting was off"?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: est on December 02, 2013, 02:15:15 PM
The 530 is still .$15 difference from 130. Worth it?
Also is the s110 worth the price difference? I do want a good camera

By auto lighting I mean when u put it on auto for the flash sometimes it comes out wrong lighting
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Knaper_Chuchem on December 02, 2013, 02:16:54 PM
G15 vs SX280?

I'm as ignorant as it gets when it comes to cameras... Basically all we can do is point 'n shoot, and review afterwards.. But I'm stingy too, and we like good quality pictures. I see Amazon has the SX280 for $199 + free 16gb (class 10) SD card. Combined with the Amex/Amazon offer (if you buy 2 Amazon $75 Gift cards) you can have it for $150.

Questions remains, for the laymen, what is a better camera, the G15 or the SX280? 

Thanks!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: est on December 02, 2013, 09:48:44 PM
The 530 is still .$15 difference from 130. Worth it?
Also is the s110 worth the price difference? I do want a good camera

By auto lighting I mean when u put it on auto for the flash sometimes it comes out wrong lighting

Paging something fishy... Can you please answer this?
I'm debating bet the 530 and s110 is it worth the diff? Is there a different camera altogether that I should buy? Thanx again
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 03, 2013, 01:04:54 AM
G15 vs SX280?

I'm as ignorant as it gets when it comes to cameras... Basically all we can do is point 'n shoot, and review afterwards.. But I'm stingy too, and we like good quality pictures. I see Amazon has the SX280 for $199 + free 16gb (class 10) SD card. Combined with the Amex/Amazon offer (if you buy 2 Amazon $75 Gift cards) you can have it for $150.

Questions remains, for the laymen, what is a better camera, the G15 or the SX280? 

Thanks!

G15 is better but very large and bulky. The s110 has the same internals as the g5, so get that if anything. If you could still find that for $200 then the sx280 is a horrible deal.

Otherwise for a simple, all around good camera the 530 hs would probably do it for you.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 03, 2013, 01:05:36 AM
Paging something fishy... Can you please answer this?
I'm debating bet the 530 and s110 is it worth the diff? Is there a different camera altogether that I should buy? Thanx again

Methinks that for $15 bucks it's a worthwhile upgrade.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: smurf on December 03, 2013, 10:32:24 AM
G15 is better but very large and bulky. The s110 has the same internals as the g5, so get that if anything. If you could still find that for $200 then the sx280 is a horrible deal.

Otherwise for a simple, all around good camera the 530 hs would probably do it for you.
s110 still 220 on amazon with bundled case and sd card
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Ez on December 04, 2013, 12:57:58 PM
The J1 is one of the most underrated cameras out there. It's actually quite nice (the focus speed is the fastest of any Mless camera). However, keep in mind that sensor-wise it's still below all others - it has a 1" sensor vs. M4/3 or APS-C. So picture quality wise is way ahead of the s110, but still behind all other MLs.

In the $350 range you'd usually find some nice Olympuses and Panasonics. I don't have time now to go look for deals on them, but if you find anything or want to compare some options I'd be happy to help.

Amazon Deal of the day

Olympus E-PM2 16MP Compact System Camera with 14-42mm and 40-150mm Two Lens Kit  (http://www.amazon.com/Olympus-Compact-System-14-42mm-40-150mm/dp/B00G237L8I/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top)

What's your opinion on this camera? and is this a deal worth getting?
TIA
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 04, 2013, 01:24:56 PM
Amazon Deal of the day

Olympus E-PM2 16MP Compact System Camera with 14-42mm and 40-150mm Two Lens Kit  (http://www.amazon.com/Olympus-Compact-System-14-42mm-40-150mm/dp/B00G237L8I/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top)

What's your opinion on this camera? and is this a deal worth getting?
TIA

Looks like a great deal. It's not "the latest and greatest", but at that price that's some seriously good gear.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Knaper_Chuchem on December 04, 2013, 02:10:49 PM
G15 is better but very large and bulky. The s110 has the same internals as the g5, so get that if anything. If you could still find that for $200 then the sx280 is a horrible deal.

Otherwise for a simple, all around good camera the 530 hs would probably do it for you.


I appreciate your advice!

I'd like to elaborate on my first question if you'll allow me. I'm not sure if I stressed it enough, but I never use any of the manual settings on my camera, in fact I only use the default settings. That said, my question remains if I have any advantage using the G15 over any other Point 'n Shoot Camera? Is the Quality of the picture better with the G15 vs the others? Is it DSLR like quality with the G15?  The reason I asked on the SX280 is the 20x Optical zoom that I like.

Thanks again!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 04, 2013, 03:01:32 PM


I appreciate your advice!

I'd like to elaborate on my first question if you'll allow me. I'm not sure if I stressed it enough, but I never use any of the manual settings on my camera, in fact I only use the default settings. That said, my question remains if I have any advantage using the G15 over any other Point 'n Shoot Camera? Is the Quality of the picture better with the G15 vs the others? Is it DSLR like quality with the G15?  The reason I asked on the SX280 is the 20x Optical zoom that I like.

Thanks again!

Read my lesson on sensor sizes (check my signature) and you'll see that the g15 has a somewhat larger sensor than the sx20, but FAR smaller than a DSLR. That means (roughly) that even on auto, the picture will be better than the sx, but not close to a DSLR at all. The s110 also has the same sensor as the g15.

If you always stay on auto, you're basically trading somewhat better pictures for a better zoom (not counting camera size etc.).
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on December 05, 2013, 12:30:46 AM
Fishy, have you weighed in at all on this current T3i deal?

I plan on buying either an SLR or mirrorless within the next month or 2, Is this a good enough deal that I should just jump at it, or should I wait around and figure out what camera I really want?
This is pretty much my budget, up to $500. Is this the most camera I'll get for $500?

(IIRC you're a Nikon guy, I'm not sure if or how that affects your answer here...)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 05, 2013, 12:39:31 AM
Fishy, have you weighed in at all on this current T3i deal?

I plan on buying either an SLR or mirrorless within the next month or 2, Is this a good enough deal that I should just jump at it, or should I wait around and figure out what camera I really want?
This is pretty much my budget, up to $500. Is this the most camera I'll get for $500?

(IIRC you're a Nikon guy, I'm not sure if or how that affects your answer here...)

No Canon is ever worth getting, so this is a horrible deal.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 05, 2013, 12:40:05 AM
In all seriousness though, this is a pretty good deal. The long lens is fairly mediocre, and the camera is 3 years old, but it's still an enormous value for your money.

Think about if you need the long lens though - if you don't you may be better off with a mirrorless and kit lens. Or save some money toward a better lens.

 In general, what would make you choose DSLR over ML or vice versa?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on December 05, 2013, 12:54:44 AM
The big advantage for me of ML is the portability.

The biggest reason for wanting an SLR is probably psychological, my brain has been wired for so long to want one and it hasn't quite gotten used to the idea of the ML.
The extensibility (sp?) is also a big draw for the SLR. I don't know how much I'll actually take advantage of it, but I like the comfort of knowing that any accessory or lens i might want is out there.
I also definitely want a viewfinder, so I think that pretty much eliminates the lower cost MLs.

I definitely want the long lens. I frequently find myself wishing I had a longer lens, particularly on road trips / vacations...
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 05, 2013, 01:00:55 AM
The extensibility (sp?) is also a big draw for the SLR. I don't know how much I'll actually take advantage of it, but I like the comfort of knowing that any accessory or lens i might want is out there.
M4/3 would give you all that.

I also definitely want a viewfinder, so I think that pretty much eliminates the lower cost MLs.
Very true. :(

I definitely want the long lens. I frequently find myself wishing I had a longer lens, particularly on road trips / vacations...
Then this sound's like the perfect kit for you. Viewfinder, long lens, extendibility (my spelling's as good as your's :P), and portability (it's relatively small, as DSLRs go).
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on December 05, 2013, 01:12:08 AM
Then this sound's like the perfect kit for you. Viewfinder, long lens, extendibility (my spelling's as good as your's :P), and portability (it's relatively small, as DSLRs go).
Thanks.
I'm going to order it now before I lose the chance and I'll figure out later if I want to keep it...
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 05, 2013, 02:10:57 AM
I would like to make a request...

Over that last couple of weeks many DDF'ers have PM'd me questions regarding which camera to buy. I very gladly helped everyone, and I'm more than happy to continue. However, I'm starting to see a pattern where most of the questions are very similar - I've been answering the same questions about the same cameras over and over to different people.

Therefore... I would like to ask that if you have a general question about a camera or need a recommendation etc., to please ask it here instead of PMing. This is the "which camera should I get master thread" - it's made for these types of questions. That way many more people could see the discussions and may find the help they need. In fact, you may even get better answers posting here than PMing me, since you won't get only one guy's opinion :D.

I get an email whenever there's a new post on here, so when someone asks something I'll know about it right away and try to answer a best I could.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on December 05, 2013, 10:53:39 AM
Sounds like common decency. Unfortunately not so common nowadays You should add Dan's signature to yours.

Thanks for all your help on the forums
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: ari9 on December 05, 2013, 02:46:36 PM
Thanks for all your help on the forums

+100
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on December 06, 2013, 12:44:56 AM
Thanks for all your help on the forums
+1000
I don't think I can thank you enough.

What do you think of this tripod: http://www.costco.com/.product.802732.html
Your waterfall picture in the exposure lesson convinced me that I need a tripod and I definitely want something compact...
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 06, 2013, 12:49:46 AM
What do you think of this tripod: http://www.costco.com/.product.802732.html
Your waterfall picture in the exposure lesson convinced me that I need a tripod and I definitely want something compact...

What camera/lens would you put on it?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on December 06, 2013, 12:53:51 AM
What camera/lens would you put on it?
T3i with (at least initially) those two lenses from the deal discussed yesterday.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on December 06, 2013, 12:56:46 AM
those two lenses from the deal discussed yesterday.
Which are the kit 18-55mm and this 75-300mm (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00004THD0/) lenses
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 06, 2013, 01:09:06 AM
T3i with (at least initially) those two lenses from the deal discussed yesterday.

From the pictures it looks a bit too flimsy for that (the rated capacity says nothing about real life usage). What specifically worries me is the head, and the plate mechanism.

If you're able to return it easily I say get it and try it out, since if it's solid enough it'll be a great deal. Lift it as high as it could go (legs only, keep the center column down), and take a long exposure (>30 seconds). Examine the picture closely, and check for any blur. If everything's sharp, you're good. Do this test outdoors, since you have to take some wind into account (as you will in a real life shooting condition).

Also mount your camera and give the whole setup a good shaking over a bed. If the camera goes flying, you have a plate mechanism problem :D.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on December 06, 2013, 01:14:45 AM
If you're able to return it easily I say get it and try it out,
Sounds like a plan, gotta get my money's worth on my costco membership :)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 06, 2013, 01:18:51 AM
ETA: Just checked it on a computer (was on my phone earlier), and the head doesn't look as bad as I thought.

The plate is also a universal Arca-Swiss type, which is a nice feature. Just make sure to constantly check the tightness in the beginning, as some cheap heads will loosen the grip on the plate sometimes.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Barryg on December 06, 2013, 01:19:52 AM
I'm looking to get a camera for a seven year old - main need would be a strong overall camera...
What would be best choice in the $50-$75 range after $25 discount for Amazon-Amex-Twitter of course...
Thanks
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Dan on December 06, 2013, 01:28:06 AM
I'm looking to get a camera for a seven year old - main need would be a strong overall camera...
What would be best choice in the $50-$75 range after $25 discount for Amazon-Amex-Twitter of course...
Thanks
http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html/?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&docId=1001881521&linkCode=ur2&plgroup=3&tag=cl03f-20
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Barryg on December 06, 2013, 01:43:44 AM
http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html/?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&docId=1001881521&linkCode=ur2&plgroup=3&tag=cl03f-20
Thanks... Coincidence with the Elph?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 06, 2013, 01:44:00 AM
http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html/?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&docId=1001881521&linkCode=ur2&plgroup=3&tag=cl03f-20

Problem is that these won't last a week in the hands of a seven-year old (at least not any I know). The lens will be stuck before you know it. This camera (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B7N9A5A/?tag=cl03f-20) would be a far better choice I think - shockproof, waterproof, and pretty good image quality.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Barryg on December 06, 2013, 02:03:03 AM
Problem is that these won't last a week in the hands of a seven-year old (at least not any I know). The lens will be stuck before you know it. This camera (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B7N9A5A/?tag=cl03f-20) would be a far better choice I think - shockproof, waterproof, and pretty good image quality.
Good I phrased the original Q correctly... Thanks! $57 with no shipping or tax after the $25 and $5... Now to search the house for my last Micro-Center freebie SD card...
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Davidp on December 06, 2013, 02:15:03 AM
One line of P & S cameras that is really underrated, and not very well known anymore is Casio Exilim. I don't think they're sold in America anymore but they're very solid in terms of a lot of bang for your buck. You can find them on Amazon...
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Dan on December 08, 2013, 02:16:05 PM
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/37980
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 08, 2013, 02:21:05 PM
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/37980

Insane deal.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Moishel on December 08, 2013, 02:52:33 PM
Great deal, with a total of 690.21 it will come out 9x $75 amazon gift cards, costing me 450, plus 15.21. Total 465.21 -$400 rebate, =65.21. Sweet!

Dan, I see you don't figure in taxes, don't you pay taxes on amazon orders in your state?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Dan on December 08, 2013, 02:59:06 PM
Great deal, with a total of 690.21 it will come out 9x $75 amazon gift cards, costing me 450, plus 15.21. Total 465.21 -$400 rebate, =65.21. Sweet!

Dan, I see you don't figure in taxes, don't you pay taxes on amazon orders in your state?
Awesome!
Post a comment on the main site.

There's no tax in OH as well as most other states.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Centro on December 08, 2013, 03:14:49 PM
Insane deal.
Got it!

My wife was about to kill me when I told her that I ordered again this printer...
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Hidden on December 08, 2013, 03:18:43 PM
With amex extended warrenty, will i get back the full $650 for the camera and printer?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Moishel on December 08, 2013, 03:22:08 PM
There's no tax in OH as well as most other states.
Bummer, another reason to move.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 08, 2013, 03:23:05 PM
With amex extended warrenty, will i get back the full $650 for the camera and printer?

Sure. How world they even know that you got a rebate?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on December 08, 2013, 03:30:14 PM
CMIIW, but can't you combine this with the T3i deal instead of the S110?

I think I should re-order the T3i with the printer and paper...

Side question: does the rebate go based on shipping address? I started having my small expensive items shipped to a friend's address in DE, will that be a problem for my rebate?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Moishel on December 08, 2013, 03:51:30 PM
CMIIW, but can't you combine this with the T3i deal instead of the S110?

I think I should re-order the T3i with the printer and paper...
Wow! that would come out $965.02 after NY taxes, -%33 643.34, -400 is 243.34. If I was ever going to get a rebel it's now! I just need another 4 Amex cards to sync...  :-[
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on December 08, 2013, 03:53:37 PM
Wow! that would come out $965.02 after NY taxes, -%33 643.34, -400 is 243.34. If I was ever going to get a rebel it's now! I just need another 4 Amex cards to sync...  :-[
Yup, actually $876.32 $890.96 (I had a little amazon credit left in my account) because I had it shipped to Delaware. :)


so basically I'm paying the same $475 for the camera plus a free printer etc.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: smurf on December 08, 2013, 03:59:17 PM
Shucks, just bought the s110 from Amazon
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: mmermss on December 08, 2013, 04:43:35 PM
No Canon is ever worth getting,

Insane deal.

I understand the deal is a great deal, however, is the camera itself a good camera?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 08, 2013, 04:55:27 PM
I understand the deal is a great deal, however, is the camera itself a good camera?

If you look through this thread you'll see that I keep on recommending the S110 as an amazing camera.

The quote about Canons being worthless was a satirical response to someone's question re. Canon vs. Nikon.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: mmermss on December 08, 2013, 05:09:25 PM
If you look through this thread you'll see that I keep on recommending the S110 as an amazing camera.

The quote about Canons being worthless was a satirical response to someone's question re. Canon vs. Nikon.
Ok thank you.  I actually havent read through the thread.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: ari2955 on December 08, 2013, 08:01:33 PM
BuyDig also has Canon PowerShot S110 12.1MP 5x Wide Angle Optical Digital Camera w/ 1080p Video + Pixma Pro-100 + 50-pack 13"x19" Pro Luster Photo Paper (automatically added to cart) for $575 - $400 rebate = $175. Must proceed to checkout for the final price. Shipping is free.
Total should be $575 - $400 rebate = $175with free shipping
No Tax in NY (it will appear at 1st, but will fall of at check-out)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: est on December 08, 2013, 08:09:13 PM
How?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: yyk on December 08, 2013, 08:35:16 PM
Is it true that you could buy just the printer and paper for $59 after rebate ($359 for printer and free paper bundle) Ė $300 in rebate. Am I understanding this correctly?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: ari2955 on December 08, 2013, 08:40:49 PM
How?
Add Canon Powershot s110 (non package) here (http://www.anrdoezrs.net/click-2164838-10724546?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.buydig.com%2Fshop%2Fproduct.aspx%3Fsku%3DCNPSS110W)
Add Canon pixma Pro-100 (paper included) here (http://www.tkqlhce.com/click-2164838-10724546?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.buydig.com%2Fshop%2Fproduct.aspx%3Fsku%3DCNPRO100)
Total order $575 (-$400 rebate)
Tax falls of at check-out
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Dan on December 08, 2013, 08:50:14 PM
Add Canon Powershot s110 (non package) here (http://www.anrdoezrs.net/click-2164838-10724546?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.buydig.com%2Fshop%2Fproduct.aspx%3Fsku%3DCNPSS110W)
Add Canon pixma Pro-100 (paper included) here (http://www.tkqlhce.com/click-2164838-10724546?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.buydig.com%2Fshop%2Fproduct.aspx%3Fsku%3DCNPRO100)
Total order $575 (-$400 rebate)
Tax falls of at check-out
$638 before tax for me.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: yyk on December 08, 2013, 08:53:16 PM
Or you could even make money on this printer plus paper deal if you purchase it from Amazon with the 33% off AMEX credit.

$415 for the printer plus paper = $276 after 33% off.

$300 rebate on printer and paper brings the total to -$24.

For those with lots of Amazon gift cards this can actually be a lucrative deal. :-)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: yyk on December 08, 2013, 08:55:59 PM
$638 before tax for me.

Dan,

If you add both to your cart on buydig a coupon code (coupon c1131185252) gets automatically entered which takes off another $63.

I was able to see this as well.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: ari2955 on December 08, 2013, 09:05:30 PM
$638 before tax for me.
go all the way to checkout
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: yada on December 08, 2013, 09:28:38 PM
Wow! that would come out $965.02 after NY taxes, -%33 643.34, -400 is 243.34. If I was ever going to get a rebel it's now! I just need another 4 Amex cards to sync...  :-[
You can I did it but stopped before buying because I already have the t3i :-)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: yada on December 08, 2013, 09:34:57 PM
$638 before tax for me.
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Only because you didn't actually check out.  I reported this on the main dd site and shouted how 63 comes off as you checkout
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: yada on December 08, 2013, 09:35:23 PM
Showed not shouted :-)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Little Bob on December 08, 2013, 09:40:20 PM
I recently bought the elph 530. When taking pictures of my ten month old son indoors I have had difficulty getting clear shots. Even when I shoot with the flash on the iso goes up to 800 or 1200 or even 1600 and I get noise. This in combination with my son nit sitting still for long makes it difficult to get good pictures. Is there a way to improve this or should I return the camera and get a better one
thanks in advance
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: est on December 08, 2013, 09:49:37 PM
Will the 400 coupon wok for buydig?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on December 08, 2013, 09:54:12 PM
Or you could even make money on this printer plus paper deal if you purchase it from Amazon with the 33% off AMEX credit.
I don't count my amazon cash back to any particular deal, that's money I got by buying the gc's, and the gc's will be used up whether or not I buy any one specific item.
I think it's foolish to count it as a discount on a specific item when that money is not at all tied to that item. i.e. you'll still get the amazon credit even if you don't buy this item.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: ari2955 on December 08, 2013, 10:05:39 PM
Will the 400 coupon rebate wok for buydig?
Yea
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: est on December 08, 2013, 10:08:34 PM
Where's the link for the buy dig version. I only see an agora a and amazon one. Thx
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: yada on December 08, 2013, 10:23:42 PM
I don't count my amazon cash back to any particular deal, that's money I got by buying the gc's, and the gc's will be used up whether or not I buy any one specific item.
I think it's foolish to count it as a discount on a specific item when that money is not at all tied to that item. i.e. you'll still get the amazon credit even if you don't buy this item.
I feel the same way :) :) :)

Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: ari2955 on December 08, 2013, 10:23:58 PM
Where's the link for the buy dig version. I only see an agora a and amazon one. Thx
Add Canon Powershot s110 (non package) here (http://www.anrdoezrs.net/click-2164838-10724546?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.buydig.com%2Fshop%2Fproduct.aspx%3Fsku%3DCNPSS110W)
Add Canon pixma Pro-100 (paper included) here (http://www.tkqlhce.com/click-2164838-10724546?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.buydig.com%2Fshop%2Fproduct.aspx%3Fsku%3DCNPRO100)
Total order $575 (-$400 rebate)
Tax falls of at check-out
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: yada on December 08, 2013, 10:25:54 PM
Where's the link for the buy dig version. I only see an agora a and amazon one. Thx

Easy enough to search :) go to buydig.com look for s110.  add to cart.  look for pixma pro 100.  add to cart.  paper will be added with printer automatically. 

hit checkout button.  enter your info.

before you hit submit, double check and you will see -63 with the coupon automatically added.

Not sure if I'm allowed to ref another site here... but if I am, thanks to SD for this HT.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: yada on December 08, 2013, 10:26:40 PM


or follow ari's links :) :)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: est on December 08, 2013, 10:29:55 PM
Ur right. It is easy if you know what to look for. I actually didn't realize the rebate posts near the item. Thought it was some far fetched deal you guys found somewhere... :)
I bought the bundle Thanx!

And Thanx something fishy for all your help. Guess this deal helped cure my indecision!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on December 08, 2013, 10:34:57 PM
I don't count my amazon cash back to any particular deal, that's money I got by buying the gc's, and the gc's will be used up whether or not I buy any one specific item.
I think it's foolish to count it as a discount on a specific item when that money is not at all tied to that item. i.e. you'll still get the amazon credit even if you don't buy this item.
Probably deepens on how many amex's you have and whether you'd buy that many gc's anyways
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Jimbo on December 08, 2013, 11:09:54 PM
I'm trying to decide between the s110 and the T3i. I am not a camera expert but I would really love to start getting great pictures of my kids (and video). Does anybody have a suggestion? Is the T3i too complicated for a beginner? Please advise as I would love to take advantage of these great deals. Thanks
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 08, 2013, 11:11:39 PM
I'm trying to decide between the s110 and the T3i. I am not a camera expert but I would really love to start getting great pictures of my kids (and video). Does anybody have a suggestion? Is the T3i too complicated for a beginner? Please advise as I would love to take advantage of these great deals. Thanks

The T3i is as simple or as complicated as you want it to be. Start out in full Auto and it'll work just like a P&S. Eventually when you get comfortable you could start experimenting with everything it has to offer.

Remember that even in full Auto the pictures will still be 100 times better than the ones from the S110.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Dan on December 08, 2013, 11:39:32 PM
S110 video would be better than t3i, no?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 08, 2013, 11:45:13 PM
S110 video would be better than t3i, no?

Weeeeell... S110 would be easier to use and would produce a 'correct' video (everything in focus and properly exposed). The T3i OTOH will be harder to tame (tough focus), but once mastered will be in a different league.

Although the argument can be made that for kids running around the S110 will be the better tool for the job, since focus is basically a non-issue.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on December 08, 2013, 11:52:22 PM
So I cancelled the long lens and SD card from my first order. Do I need to worry about Amazon clawing back money from the part of the order that already shipped and was paid for, or did I just score a T3i +case for $308?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: yyk on December 09, 2013, 01:00:44 AM
I don't count my amazon cash back to any particular deal, that's money I got by buying the gc's, and the gc's will be used up whether or not I buy any one specific item.
I think it's foolish to count it as a discount on a specific item when that money is not at all tied to that item. i.e. you'll still get the amazon credit even if you don't buy this item.

Tell that to Dan... He's the one that keeps on talking about the 33% rebate on Amazon products.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: jewdkoff on December 09, 2013, 04:00:22 AM
So I cancelled the long lens and SD card from my first order. Do I need to worry about Amazon clawing back money from the part of the order that already shipped and was paid for, or did I just score a T3i +case for $308?

I'm curious about this as well. Does anything know something definitive about this?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on December 09, 2013, 08:04:52 AM
So I cancelled the long lens and SD card from my first order. Do I need to worry about Amazon clawing back money from the part of the order that already shipped and was paid for, or did I just score a T3i +case for $308?
Why not return it to amex and not worry about this. And probably keep it for free
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: ari2955 on December 09, 2013, 02:21:39 PM
Dan wrote on the main site "(If you donít agree with the AMEX rebate gift card terms you can always call them after receiving it and request a check instead ;))"
How exactly?
What do I need to tell them, it is that I don't agree with?
(I have no clue what the t&c state, let alone disagree with it)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: jewdkoff on December 09, 2013, 04:24:55 PM
So I tried to cancel my lens and didn't get the money back. Furthermore I had to replace the order which was a pain.

Should I have waited for the camera to ship?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on December 09, 2013, 05:43:22 PM
So I tried to cancel my lens and didn't get the money back. Furthermore I had to replace the order which was a pain.

Should I have waited for the camera to ship?


Why not return it to amex and not worry about this. And probably keep it for free
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: yada on December 09, 2013, 07:03:17 PM
S110 video would be better than t3i, no?
Yes.  I have t3i and bought s110 for video and having convenient for quick and dirty.... the t3i won't be better unless you have it available :)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: netzih on December 09, 2013, 07:14:51 PM
So I cancelled the long lens and SD card from my first order. Do I need to worry about Amazon clawing back money from the part of the order that already shipped and was paid for, or did I just score a T3i +case for $308?
please keep us posted on how it went.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Deal Guy on December 09, 2013, 10:38:34 PM
Something Fishy, my brother is telling me that the G15 (or even G12) is a much better camera than the S110. In what sense do you agree or disagree with him? Much appreciated!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 09, 2013, 10:53:50 PM
Something Fishy, my brother is telling me that the G15 (or even G12) is a much better camera than the S110. In what sense do you agree or disagree with him? Much appreciated!

I'll say this till I'm blue in the face: the s cameras and the g cameras HAVE THE SAME INTERNALS. They will take the SAME picture.

The difference is all external: bigger body, different zoom, swivel screen, more external buttons and attachments, etc.

If you have no need for a hotshoe, remote jack, or swivel screen, you'd be wasting your money on a g15.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Moishel on December 09, 2013, 11:13:12 PM
Doesn't the G15 have a better lens? I know it has wider aperture and a much better battery.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 09, 2013, 11:24:05 PM
True, two good points.

Still don't think it's worth double the price though.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: jewdkoff on December 09, 2013, 11:38:45 PM


I returned the lens and was credited back $40~ which is the $190-150 promotion. I'm not going to dispute something like that with AMEX when AMAZON is clearly in the right. Hence I had to cancel my order and start over to get the lens offer back.

SO, does anyone have a success story with canceling the lens? At what stage in the order did you do it?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on December 09, 2013, 11:44:03 PM
I returned the lens and was credited back $40~ which is the $190-150 promotion. I'm not going to dispute something like that with AMEX when AMAZON is clearly in the right. Hence I had to cancel my order and start over to get the lens offer back.

SO, does anyone have a success story with canceling the lens? At what stage in the order did you do it?

Thanks!
You didn't understand what I said. Use return protection (either immediately-tell them amazon won't take it back because you got it in a package or wait thirty days). They may not ask for it back. And even if they do-that's what you wanted
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: jewdkoff on December 10, 2013, 12:08:51 AM
You didn't understand what I said. Use return protection (either immediately-tell them amazon won't take it back because you got it in a package or wait thirty days). They may not ask for it back. And even if they do-that's what you wanted

That could work, I only used AMEX for a small portion of the purchase though. The rest was gift cards
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Tea with Lemon on December 10, 2013, 03:48:33 AM
I recently purchased the T3i, thanks to Dan :D. I was wondering if I buy the printer now, can I get the rebate? Thanks
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Ez on December 10, 2013, 06:37:02 AM
I recently purchased the T3i, thanks to Dan :D. I was wondering if I buy the printer now, can I get the rebate? Thanks

Has to be purchased on same receipt, but you can return and re-buy.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 10, 2013, 05:45:36 PM
Olympus E-PL3 mirrorless camera and 14-42mm lens for $199 shipped. (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16830111474)

Goes for $300 on Amazon.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Centro on December 10, 2013, 07:20:55 PM
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/37980
I just got the first part of my order, the pack of papers,
in the box there's a receipt but only for the papers, for the rebate I need 1 receipt for all the items, will that be in the next box?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Ez on December 10, 2013, 08:05:09 PM
I just got the first part of my order, the pack of papers,
in the box there's a receipt but only for the papers, for the rebate I need 1 receipt for all the items, will that be in the next box?

You need the email confirmation of the order.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Dan on December 10, 2013, 10:20:57 PM
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/38139
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on December 10, 2013, 10:43:09 PM
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/38139
Thanks!
just got ~$40 credit from Amazon.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Dan on December 10, 2013, 10:46:05 PM
Thanks!
just got ~$40 credit from Amazon.
Nice!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Centro on December 10, 2013, 10:56:25 PM
This canon rebate is only 1 pair household, does this mean that if I got it through my purchase at Adorama I'm not eligible for an other one at Amazon?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on December 10, 2013, 10:57:24 PM
Do we know when this promo is ending?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Deal Guy on December 10, 2013, 11:28:26 PM
Do we know when this promo is ending?
the rebate is for purchases through the 31st
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Centro on December 11, 2013, 12:26:27 AM
The $75 tax (whoever is being charged) sort of kills the deal :(
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Centro on December 11, 2013, 10:14:45 AM
Mr Fishy, is he (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=35263.msg650112.msg#650112) right?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 11, 2013, 10:26:36 AM
Mr Fishy, is he (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=35263.msg650112.msg#650112) right?

The T3i takes 3.7 frames per second, while the D5100 is 4fps. That translates into 1 additional picture per 3 seconds of continuous shooting. Hardly a significant difference. It was probably more personal preference that made him dislike it.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: noturbizniss on December 11, 2013, 06:42:30 PM
This canon rebate is only 1 pair household, does this mean that if I got it through my purchase at Adorama I'm not eligible for an other one at Amazon?
You can also order it under your wife's name and send to a neighbor or parents or in laws etc. That's what I'm doing
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Centro on December 11, 2013, 07:11:49 PM
You can also order it under your wife's name and send to a neighbor or parents or in laws etc. That's what I'm doing
That's what I did, ordered it under my wife's name but I did send it to my house just changed the apartment number (i.e. Instead of 3B I wrote #6 (this is how national grid has our apartments))

Think it'll pass?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on December 11, 2013, 10:37:33 PM
Olympus E-PL3 mirrorless camera and 14-42mm lens for $199 shipped. (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16830111474)

Goes for $300 on Amazon.

That's actually a fantastic deal for this camera. Too bad it is getting buried in all the T3i deal talk.

My 2 cents:
I'll be honest, I have 5 digital SLR-style cameras which includes a Canon Rebel as well as the Olympus E-PL3. The PL3 has a 17mm F/2.8 pancake lens on it that makes it totally pocketable. When I'm not carrying it in my jacket pocket, my wife has it in her purse, and it gets used exponentially more often than our larger SLR cameras. The IQ is so good I don't even bother bringing the big camera unless its for work. Images are stunning.

Everyone goes gaga for the DSLRs because I think it makes them feel more "pro", but these mirrorless cams are amazing!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Centro on December 11, 2013, 10:43:43 PM
That's actually a fantastic deal for this camera. Too bad it is getting buried in all the T3i deal talk.

My 2 cents:
I'll be honest, I have 5 digital SLR-style cameras which includes a Canon Rebel as well as the Olympus E-PL3. The PL3 has a 17mm F/2.8 pancake lens on it that makes it totally pocketable. When I'm not carrying it in my jacket pocket, my wife has it in her purse, and it gets used exponentially more often than our larger SLR cameras. The IQ is so good I don't even bother bringing the big camera unless its for work. Images are stunning.

Everyone goes gaga for the DSLRs because I think it makes them feel more "pro", but these mirrorless cams are amazing!
CURRENTLY SOLD OUT
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Ez on December 12, 2013, 12:29:29 AM
CURRENTLY SOLD OUT

Shows in stock for me, but for $299  :(
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Centro on December 12, 2013, 12:45:35 AM
Shows in stock for me, but for $299  :(
Right, but someplace on the page I saw the same camera for $199, I clicked it and the price was indeed $199 but oos.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 12, 2013, 01:01:07 AM
Right, but someplace on the page I saw the same camera for $199, I clicked it and the price was indeed $199 but oos.

Depends on the color. In any case, deal seems dead.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on December 12, 2013, 01:39:08 AM
As many others here, I recently bought the canon T3i with the 2 lenses. With all the deals these days on cameras and all is there a better lens out there that I should be looking for? I have amazon gift cards and for a good deal I wouldn't mind upgrading the lens's that the T3i deal came with. I know there are a million different types of lens, which may make this question tricky but figured I would ask...
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 12, 2013, 01:47:18 AM
As many others here, I recently bought the canon T3i with the 2 lenses. With all the deals these days on cameras and all is there a better lens out there that I should be looking for? I have amazon gift cards and for a good deal I wouldn't mind upgrading the lens's that the T3i deal came with. I know there are a million different types of lens, which may make this question tricky but figured I would ask...

I advise people to never upgrade a lens unless they know what they need. The lenses that you got with the deal are good for the vast majority of situations (especially if you're a beginner). The day will come when you'll find yourself wishing that your lens did this or did that; when that happens you'll know exactly what you want in a new lens and could upgrade sensibly.

That being said, you should still have a look at the 50 f/1.8. You'll see a tremendous difference from your other lenses due to the large aperture. At a hundred bucks you can't really go wrong.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on December 12, 2013, 02:14:02 AM
I advise people to never upgrade a lens unless they know what they need. The lenses that you got with the deal are good for the vast majority of situations (especially if you're a beginner). The day will come when you'll find yourself wishing that your lens did this or did that; when that happens you'll know exactly what you want in a new lens and could upgrade sensibly.

That being said, you should still have a look at the 50 f/1.8. You'll see a tremendous difference from your other lenses due to the large aperture. At a hundred bucks you can't really go wrong.
Thanks I totally hear what you are saying. I will look into the lens with the 1.8 I like the idea of a larger aperture. Can't wait to get those blurred backgrounds. Do the current lenses have the capability to completely blurr a background?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 12, 2013, 02:15:29 AM
Thanks I totally hear what you are saying. I will look into the lens with the 1.8 I like the idea of a larger aperture. Can't wait to get those blurred backgrounds. Do the current lenses have the capability to completely blurr a background?

To some extent, but nothing near the 50 1.8.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on December 12, 2013, 02:21:13 AM
I was actually planning on asking almost the same question.
Especially considering that it seems we can cancel the telephoto lens and get the full discount on the camera is it wort it to keep this lens?
Amazon has the USM version of this lens for $169 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00004THD0/?tag=cl03f-20), vs the $189 the non-usm is costing.
ETA: I see it's even cheaper from some other sellers on Amazon...

Is there any reason at all to go with the non-usm over the usm?


Perhaps a better question might be if it's worth it to stick with the T3i.

After two orders of the T3i i finally actually looked at the details of this lens promo. Assuming you can do the same shtick of cancelling the lens, you can get the 60D (body only) for $300. Seems to me that's a far better deal than the T3i plus kit lens for $290.
So 1) as an absolute beginner, am I better with the T3i or 60D?
2) How much would a basic lens for the 60D cost?  (I would look this up myself if I knew exactly what I'm looking for :P )
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 12, 2013, 08:56:39 AM
I was actually planning on asking almost the same question.
Especially considering that it seems we can cancel the telephoto lens and get the full discount on the camera is it wort it to keep this lens?
Amazon has the USM version of this lens for $169 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00004THD0/?tag=cl03f-20), vs the $189 the non-usm is costing.
ETA: I see it's even cheaper from some other sellers on Amazon...

Is there any reason at all to go with the non-usm over the usm?


Perhaps a better question might be if it's worth it to stick with the T3i.

After two orders of the T3i i finally actually looked at the details of this lens promo. Assuming you can do the same shtick of cancelling the lens, you can get the 60D (body only) for $300. Seems to me that's a far better deal than the T3i plus kit lens for $290.
So 1) as an absolute beginner, am I better with the T3i or 60D?
2) How much would a basic lens for the 60D cost?  (I would look this up myself if I knew exactly what I'm looking for :P )

1) Go with the USM. Faster and quieter focusing.

2) 60d is a far better camera. 2 generations newer gives you a much improved sensor among many other things (Wi-Fi, GPS, faster frame rate etc.).

3) The 18-135 STM is $500 (could probably be found for less), but cheaper lenses will also work fine.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Centro on December 12, 2013, 11:05:28 AM
This canon rebate is only 1 pair household, does this mean that if I got it through my purchase at Adorama I'm not eligible for an other one at Amazon?
I just called the Canon rebate department and they told me that every rebate has a Promotion ID which is printed on the rebate in the mailing info box, so being that ie Amazon has its own ID and Adorama has its own I will have no problem getting them both.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on December 12, 2013, 11:21:09 AM
Assuming you can do the same shtick of cancelling the lens, you can get the 60D (body only) for $300.
Oh well, it seems that doesn't quite work on this one.
They only apply ~$160 of the discount towards the camera when they ship it,  not the full $300, so the camera body is $440. not such a hot deal anymore...

Thanks again fishy for all your help!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: A3 on December 12, 2013, 04:06:36 PM
Anybody have an opinion on the Pentax k50? reviews say slow auto focus but otherwise mostly positive, can a lens fix that? debating between that one, and Nikon 3200 or 5200. The 3200 doesn't have auto-focus, so would need a lens with it, is that so important?

Thanks
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: mb1 on December 12, 2013, 04:29:17 PM
Olympus E-PL3 mirrorless camera and 14-42mm lens for $199 shipped. (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16830111474)

Goes for $300 on Amazon.

Is this a good camera?

Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on December 12, 2013, 04:54:07 PM
2) 60d is a far better camera. 2 generations newer gives you a much improved sensor among many other things (Wi-Fi, GPS, faster frame rate etc.).

I think you are mistaking it for a different camera. 60D is NOT 2 Generations newer, nor does it have WiFi, GPS, etc. It was released when the T2i was still holding up the Rebel side of their camera line. It is a Digic 4 chip, and same exact sensor, etc as the t2i and t3i (and t1i, for that matter). It brought the articulating screen and manual audio levels for video mode, however it is basically a Rebel with some extra prosumer functions and ergonomics. The t3i was released AFTERWARDS, and brought the fold out screen and audio levels, as well as some interesting video features like crop mode. Meanwhile, the 60D, like all double-digit D cameras from Canon, offers a slightly more pro-level package than the Rebels (also known as the triple-digit-D models), features such dialing in Kelvin values manually and less digging through menus for critical exposure adjustments when working in manual.

If you don't know what a Kelvin is, and don't plan to use the camera in M mode, it is difficult to argue the extra value of the 60D is worth it. The sensor and image processor are the same generation as the T3i, and it will take pretty much identical photos in automatic modes. Its a great camera though!

Is this a good camera?



Yes, I mentioned on the previous page that I love the EPL-3 camera (Olympus in general has some great optics and have been largely underrated). Especially with the right lens (I keep a 17mm f/2.8 on it).
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 12, 2013, 05:10:26 PM
I think you are mistaking it for a different camera. 60D is NOT 2 Generations newer, nor does it have WiFi, GPS, etc. It was released when the T2i was still holding up the Rebel side of their camera line. It is a Digic 4 chip, and same exact sensor, etc as the t2i and t3i (and t1i, for that matter). It brought the articulating screen and manual audio levels for video mode, however it is basically a Rebel with some extra prosumer functions and ergonomics. The t3i was released AFTERWARDS, and brought the fold out screen and audio levels, as well as some interesting video features like crop mode. Meanwhile, the 60D, like all double-digit D cameras from Canon, offers a slightly more pro-level package than the Rebels (also known as the triple-digit-D models), features such dialing in Kelvin values manually and less digging through menus for critical exposure adjustments when working in manual.

Wow - correct on all counts. That'll teach me not to post half asleep on the bus to work without double checking everything :P.

I was basically describing a 6D with an APS-C sensor ::).
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on December 12, 2013, 06:30:38 PM
Wow - correct on all counts. That'll teach me not to post half asleep on the bus to work without double checking everything :P.

I was basically describing a 6D with an APS-C sensor ::).

LOL- It happens to the best of us. I only know this stuff because I happen to moderate the DSLR section of DVXUSer, where I wrote up this (now horribly dated) comparison of entry-level DSLRs at the time:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?249562-Difference-between-APS-C-Camera-models-(7D-vs-T2i-vs-60D-vs-T3i)

On that note, I should really update that thread with info from the new Digic 5 cameras and state of Magic Lantern hacks, but to be honest video shooting on Canon DSLRs are on the way out. We get more traffic in the Panasonic, Nikon and generic DSLR / Mirrorless section these days (I myself prefer not to shoot on Canon for video anymore either, but that's another story).
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 12, 2013, 06:44:21 PM
LOL- It happens to the best of us. I only know this stuff because I happen to moderate the DSLR section of DVXUSer, where I wrote up this (now horribly dated) comparison of entry-level DSLRs at the time:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?249562-Difference-between-APS-C-Camera-models-(7D-vs-T2i-vs-60D-vs-T3i)

On that note, I should really update that thread with info from the new Digic 5 cameras and state of Magic Lantern hacks, but to be honest video shooting on Canon DSLRs are on the way out. We get more traffic in the Panasonic, Nikon and generic DSLR / Mirrorless section these days (I myself prefer not to shoot on Canon for video anymore either, but that's another story).

Happens to be that ML/CHDK is one of the only things that drives me nuts about Nikon. Canon guys mess with the firmware and we get awesomeness. A Nikon guy finally succeeds and what do we get? Star Wars. Lighten the Force! ::)

/rant

Back on topic, I'll check out that article once I get home. It's always fun to read old reviews :).
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Jimbo on December 12, 2013, 06:55:09 PM
Ok, I actually purchased the T3i and received it today. I'm no expert in photography, I would just love to great shots of my kids. Here's the thing, this might just be too much camera for me. I was really surprised by how bulky and heavy this camera is (not sure what I was expecting). It's not a device that you can casually walk around with and the carrying bag is like a medium-sized knapsack. I guess its not totally what I was looking for as I was hoping for something more convenient for carrying around, but something with better quality than your low=end point & shoot. Considering my needs, what would you recommend between the S110 and Olympus E-PL3. Thanks
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 12, 2013, 07:00:33 PM
Ok, I actually purchased the T3i and received it today. I'm no expert in photography, I would just love to great shots of my kids. Here's the thing, this might just be too much camera for me. I was really surprised by how bulky and heavy this camera is (not sure what I was expecting). It's not a device that you can casually walk around with and the carrying bag is like a medium-sized knapsack. I guess its not totally what I was looking for as I was hoping for something more convenient for carrying around, but something with better quality than your low=end point & shoot. Considering my needs, what would you recommend between the S110 and Olympus E-PL3. Thanks

You're not saying much except that you want something better than a low end p&s. Based solely on that both cameras may work. I say try them both out with a memory card in it. For all you know the Oly may also be too big for you, but it may be worth it for the image quality.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on December 12, 2013, 07:03:54 PM
By the way, it might be helpful to point out how Canon's DSLR naming scheme works, so that folks can understand where each model fits in their lineup.

This took me a while to figure out when I was buying my first model from them, as far as I know there isn't any official data from Canon on this. But I've noticed that there are basically 4 primary digit schemes, and they work backwards. That is, the 4-digits before the letter D is the lowest level, whereas the single digit-D is the higher end and most expensive.

To make matters even more complicated, their lower end cameras (such the the Rebel series) are given different names in different markets. For the example, the t3i is really the 600D (and also known as the KISS X4 in other markets). But aside from region specific branding, the digits in the actual name tell most of the story.

So basically, it goes something like this:
XXXXD (quadruple digits) - This is the lowest level, with generally very basic and cheaper mass-produced budget sensors. Examples include the 1000D and 1100D, which here in the US are known as the Rebel T2 and T3, respectively. These are not to be confused with the "i" models, which are actually the triple digit models, one tier up. They tend to have less dynamic range and megapixels than the same generation higher-tier model.

xxxD (triple digits) - This is the entry level prosumer/amateur camera. Very similar to the 4-digit models, with a similarly basic (dare I call it, dumbed-down) simple interface and functionality and sticks with the Rebel moniker. However under the hood it shares the sensor and image quality as many higher tier models. Examples here in the US are the T3i, T4i, and T5i which are actually the 600D, 650D and 700D, respectively.

xxD (double digits) - These are the slightly more pro-level models, while still being decidedly prosumer in design. They share the same APS-C sensor as the triple digit Rebels, and thus have roughly the same image quality. However the ergonomics and interface allow for more control and artistic features. They are larger and heavier as well, which all helps them "feel" more pro. In fact, I've seen plenty of these along side far more expensive pro-level cameras in photographic environments (weddings, etc). But under the hood, they are similar to the Rebel triple-digit models of the same generation. Examples include the 50D and 60D.

xD (single digits) - Now, here's where it gets complicated. So far, the levels were split into the amount of digits, each progressing upward with each generation (550D was replaced by the 600D, which was replaced by the 650D, and so on). The single digits appear to be their PRO level offerings, and their numbers don't change. Instead, each generation is marked with a version number following the name (5D was replaced with the 5D mark 2. The 6D is a totally different camera, as is the 7D).
It also appears that the models get more and more professional and expensive the closer it gets to 0. The 1D is their most professional (and expensive) camera, followed by the 5D, then 6D (also called the affordable 5D), and then the 7D.

So, in a nutshell it goes (from top to bottom):
1D (generations enumerated by "mark I, mark II, etc")
5D (generations enumerated by "mark I, mark II, etc")
6D (presumed generations enumerated by "mark I, mark II, etc")
7D (presumed generations enumerated by "mark I, mark II, etc")
xxD (digits go up by 10 each generation)
xxxD (digits go up by 50 each generation)
xxxxD (digits appear to go up by 100)

So basically, the 60D is a higher level than the t3i (600D), but lower level than the 6D.

Hope this helps someone. :)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on December 12, 2013, 07:15:58 PM
Happens to be that ML/CHDK is one of the only things that drives me nuts about Nikon. Canon guys mess with the firmware and we get awesomeness. A Nikon guy finally succeeds and what do we get? Star Wars. Lighten the Force! ::)

I know! Canon hasn't been to kind to the dev community though. Apparently, they figured out the difference between the 1Dx and 1Dc was just some firmware which they could easily port (despite the vast price difference), and Canon got very upset. Or rather, their lawyers did and the dev team got really quiet all of the sudden. :)
Just embrace them! One of the biggest reasons I buy my Canon bodies is because I love ML so much! Why can't they just embrace what is helping sales (even if only a small number). But I digress...
Ok, I actually purchased the T3i and received it today. I'm no expert in photography, I would just love to great shots of my kids. Here's the thing, this might just be too much camera for me. I was really surprised by how bulky and heavy this camera is (not sure what I was expecting). It's not a device that you can casually walk around with and the carrying bag is like a medium-sized knapsack. I guess its not totally what I was looking for as I was hoping for something more convenient for carrying around, but something with better quality than your low=end point & shoot. Considering my needs, what would you recommend between the S110 and Olympus E-PL3. Thanks

Yeah, as I mentioned earlier, DSLRs are not for everyone. I own a few and don't take them with me for family outings (except maybe for a graduation or something big). I love the EPL-3 for that, but you need a pancake prime to keep it pocketable. By that I mean it doesn't zoom. The zoom lenses are pretty compact as well if you really want that, but anything with a decent amount of throw is going to protrude from the front enough to make it hard to carry in my jacket pocket.

That being said, Panasonic DOES make a micro4/3 telescoping zoom lens, which when paired with an Olympus would make it similar to the size of a point-and-shoot, but they aren't so cheap last I checked.

I have some pictures of my EPL-3 with various lenses compared to my DSLRs somewhere for reference- I wish I could easily dig them up (buried on facebook somewhere).
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Jimbo on December 12, 2013, 07:46:31 PM
So the zoom is basically very lame on the PL3. Would you choose the S110 instead of it?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 12, 2013, 07:47:42 PM

Just embrace them! One of the biggest reasons I buy my Canon bodies is because I love ML so much! Why can't they just embrace what is helping sales (even if only a small number). But I digress...

And that's without going into the Nikon battery Armageddon that started this week. They should both take a page out of Apple's MFI program.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 12, 2013, 08:13:13 PM
By the way, it might be helpful to point out how Canon's DSLR naming scheme works, so that folks can understand where each model fits in their lineup.

......

So, in a nutshell it goes (from top to bottom):
1D (generations enumerated by "mark I, mark II, etc")
5D (generations enumerated by "mark I, mark II, etc")
6D (presumed generations enumerated by "mark I, mark II, etc")
7D (presumed generations enumerated by "mark I, mark II, etc")
xxD (digits go up by 10 each generation)
xxxD (digits go up by 50 each generation)
xxxxD (digits appear to go up by 100)

So basically, the 60D is a higher level than the t3i (600D), but lower level than the 6D.

Hope this helps someone. :)

Great info :).

Now the Nikon side of things:

Nikon is somewhat better than Canon in that their cameras have the same model number regardless of where it's sold, but the naming convention is still quite batty. I'm not going to go into all the details here as Mordy already summed it up quite well, and the Nikon levels pretty much parallel the Canons.

D3xxx (4 digits): the lowest level. Basic entry level DSLRs. Currently at the D3200, jumps by 100 with every new generation.
D5xxx: the next level up. All cameras in this level have a swivel LCD. This also appears to be the testing ground for new features, as many new functions appear in this camera first. Currently at the D5300; also jumps by 100 every gen.
D7xxx: another level up. This level is for higher end consumer and prosumer customer. We upgrade to 2 command dials, a second LCD, a built-in motor (more lens support), etc.
Dxxx (3 digits): this line straddles both APS-C and full frame, and is for the higher end prosumer all the way up to pro. The numbers don't make much sense looking at the entire lineup, so something will have to change in the scheme sooner or later. But for now we have:
- D3xx level is the top APS-C camera, and is completely at the pro level
- D6xx level is the lowest full frame camera, and is prosumer/lower level pro
- D8xx level is is next up at the pro level.
Dx (1 digit): the highest end cameras, and the top pro ones obviously.

Nikon also adds letters to model numbers often, indicating a slight upgrade, higher speed, or something similar. For example:
D300s: Slight upgrade from the D300 (added video, another card slot, etc.)
D3x: Slower, higher res version of the D3.
D800E: Same as the D800 but with the AA filter removed.

There's also the new oddball Df, which is a mashup of the D3's sensor, the D610's features, and an old film camera body and controls.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on December 12, 2013, 08:31:59 PM
So the zoom is basically very lame on the PL3. Would you choose the S110 instead of it?

No no no. The PL3 is an interchangable lens camera, so the zoom is whatever you put on it. If you want an AWESOME zoom, you can put something truly epic on it, like this old Canon FD lens I threw on it with an adapter (for giggles, just because I can!):

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ax5CH1gCEAEZIo_.jpg)

That'll give you an incredibly versatile zoom, but not very pocketable! The zoom it comes with isn't too bad, here's a picture of it with some of my other cameras for reference:
(its the one lowest in the picture, a bit off the left- I don't use the kit zoom very much, it still has the protective blue tape on the nose)
(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g205/mnrgilden/IMG_4861_zps545b6e5b.jpg)

Behind it is an old Canon Powershot point and shoot for size reference. Notice how the E-PL3 is roughly the size of the Powershot save for the lens protruding. But more interesting, is the Lumix camera on the right (Panasonic GH2, one of my personal favorites for video), which has on it currently a pancake 17mm prime lens. That lens is usually sitting on my E-PL3, which just barely protrudes at all, and makes it roughly as pocketable as the Powershot. But you can't zoom with a prime lens (that's the difference between a prime and a zoom). If you want to zoom, a slightly larger lens is necessary, just because of the more complicated optics involved.

Or you can get the telescoping Lumix lens, shown here:


That lens works like a point-and-shoot style, it has a servo motor to zoom in and out, and collapses into itself when done, making it closer to a prime lens in size when not in use. But they aren't cheap, and they aren't as sharp or wide aperture as other options. Still, will probably get you better pics than a point-and-shoot if you have the budget for it!

I just keep the 17mm on it. It's good for most things, and sometimes if I know I'll need it, I keep a second prime in my pocket (85mm) for extreme closeups with lots of beautifully shallow focus. I'm not sure why the 17mm isn't on it for this picture, but whatever- this was taken a long time ago when I was illustrating how much smaller the GH2 can be than a Canon DSLR.

My picture to illustrate that:
(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g205/mnrgilden/IMG_0139_zps09996a1d.jpg)

The GH2 is bigger than the E-PL3, so you can just imagine the difference here.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on December 12, 2013, 08:51:10 PM
Now the Nikon side of things:

Nice, this should help clear up a lot of confusion.

Quote
There's also the new oddball Df, which is a mashup of the D3's sensor, the D610's features, and an old film camera body and controls.
I actually like those, but they are totally impractical. Hipster sells!


...on that note, I fear I may be over-geeking up this thread with you!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 12, 2013, 08:52:53 PM
I actually like those, but they are totally impractical. Hipster sells!

Oh, I love it. Played around with it for a while and it really is quite lovely. But what a waste of $3k :D.

...on that note, I fear I may be over-geeking up this thread with you!

Lol. I'm havin a good time...  ;D
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Jimbo on December 12, 2013, 09:01:01 PM
Thanks a bunch for the info..so what would you recommend for a non-camera aficionado? I'm just considering too many options at this point. Would like something that will not weigh me down but will take great pics and video..Almost like close to DSLR-quality pics without the massive frame and with the capability to take quality videos. Thanks again, really appreciate the help (i'm going on vacation in a week and a half and trying to settle on one for the trip_)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on December 12, 2013, 10:25:03 PM
Everyone goes gaga for the DSLRs because I think it makes them feel more "pro", but these mirrorless cams are amazing!
I agree.
Like i said last week:
The biggest reason for wanting an SLR [over a mirrorless] is probably psychological, my brain has been wired for so long to want one and it hasn't quite gotten used to the idea of the ML.
I actually have this little nagging voice in the back of my mind which keeps saying I'm making a mistake here and should've got a mirrorless.
(OTOH, I'm sure had I gone mirrorless the voice would still be there telling me I should've gone SLR...)

I guess time will tell if I made the right choice.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on December 12, 2013, 10:27:29 PM
...on that note, I fear I may be over-geeking up this thread with you!
Keep it up!

I don't know very much about cameras yet, but the geek in me is enjoying it.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on December 13, 2013, 12:16:28 AM
One thing I noticed after a few minutes of playing with my T3i:
I'm shocked by the difference in how long the autofocus takes while shooting in "live view" mode. (Is what what it's called, where you use the lcd instead of the viewfinder?) what takes a fraction of a second using the viewfinder can take several seconds using the lcd.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 13, 2013, 12:23:43 AM
One thing I noticed after a few minutes of playing with my T3i:
I'm shocked by the difference in how long the autofocus takes while shooting in "live view" mode. (Is what what it's called, where you use the lcd instead of the viewfinder?) what takes a fraction of a second using the viewfinder can take several seconds using the lcd.

Yup. That's the difference between phase detect and contrast detect autofocus. When using the viewfinder the image gets projected onto a dedicated AF sensor, while when using the LCD it's the processor which tries to figure out what to focus on. Without getting into the endless complexities of the systems (I will in an eventual lesson, though), let's just say that phase detection (viewfinder mode) takes one reading and figures out the subject distance instantly by using simple math. OTOH, contrast detect (LCD mode) uses trial and error to find the sharpest line between light and dark spaces, so it has to go back and forth and back and forth until it figures it out.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on December 13, 2013, 12:27:15 AM
Yup. That's the difference between phase detect and contrast detect autofocus. When using the viewfinder the image gets projected onto a dedicated AF sensor, while when using the LCD it's the processor which tries to figure out what to focus on. Without getting into the endless complexities of the systems (I will in an eventual lesson, though), let's just say that phase detection (viewfinder mode) takes one reading and figures out the subject distance instantly by using simple math. OTOH, contrast detect (LCD mode) uses trial and error to find the sharpest line between light and dark spaces, so it has to go back and forth and back and forth until it figures it out.
Interesting.
Is this why AF is so slow (per your lesson, I haven't tried it yet) while shooting video?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 13, 2013, 12:29:04 AM
Interesting.
Is this why AF is so slow (per your lesson, I haven't tried it yet) while shooting video?

Yes, mainly.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on December 13, 2013, 01:29:33 AM
Interesting.
Is this why AF is so slow (per your lesson, I haven't tried it yet) while shooting video?
Yes, mainly.

Mainly, its because the T3i doesn't support autofocus in video mode. Period.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 13, 2013, 01:45:11 AM
Mainly, its because the T3i doesn't support autofocus in video mode. Period.

Ummm... Not really.

From page 157 of the instruction manual:
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AF with shutter button during movie recording: When [Enable] is set, AF is possible during movie shooting. However, continuous autofocusing is not possible. If you autofocus during movie shooting, you might momentarily throw the focus way off or change the exposure. The movie will also record the lens operation noise
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on December 13, 2013, 10:41:49 AM
Ummm... Not really.

From page 157 of the instruction manual:

Oh, I guess you could technically consider that autofocus in video. My mistake. What's actually happening there, is the camera supports taking a still picture during a recording session (the video actually freezes during the shutter capture when you play it back, since the Digic chip was busy for a couple of seconds). When that is happening, it invokes the live-view focus method to quickly re-adjust. If you don't press the shutter all the way down, it won't actually take the picture, so  you benefit from the focus, albeit with a lot of noise and vibration, complete with the confirmation "chirp". I forgot that option exists, mostly because it isn't really usable in practical scenarios.

This is not to be confused with video autofocus, which means continuous silent adjustment of focus like a video camera would do, and is NOT supported on these. The newer Canon DSLRs can do this (in fact a big selling point of the 70D), but I recall many early adopters of Canon DSLR video realizing they had to focus manually in video mode on the T2i/T3i. I was assuming this is what whYME was talking about, as I pictured someone wondering why the video would suddenly go out of focus when the subject moved. In that case, it isn't that the focus is responding slowly, it simply ISN'T adjusting focus at all!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 13, 2013, 11:14:05 AM
Oh, I guess you could technically consider that autofocus in video. My mistake. What's actually happening there, is the camera supports taking a still picture during a recording session (the video actually freezes during the shutter capture when you play it back, since the Digic chip was busy for a couple of seconds). When that is happening, it invokes the live-view focus method to quickly re-adjust. If you don't press the shutter all the way down, it won't actually take the picture, so  you benefit from the focus, albeit with a lot of noise and vibration, complete with the confirmation "chirp". I forgot that option exists, mostly because it isn't really usable in practical scenarios.

This is not to be confused with video autofocus, which means continuous silent adjustment of focus like a video camera would do, and is NOT supported on these. The newer Canon DSLRs can do this (in fact a big selling point of the 70D), but I recall many early adopters of Canon DSLR video realizing they had to focus manually in video mode on the T2i/T3i. I was assuming this is what whYME was talking about, as I pictured someone wondering why the video would suddenly go out of focus when the subject moved. In that case, it isn't that the focus is responding slowly, it simply ISN'T adjusting focus at all!

Again, not quite. What you're mixing up is autofocus and continuous autofocus. The T3i offers the former (in extremely limited form of course), but not the latter. Meaning initiating focus during a video will autofocus once and that's it. It won't track anything or readjust itself further.

On a completely side note, I'm playing with a Df at my desk now and want want want! :D I'm actually quite uncomfortable using it (I have huge hands) but who cares :P.

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/14/me3epybu.jpg)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on December 13, 2013, 12:12:09 PM
Again, not quite. What you're mixing up is autofocus and continuous autofocus. The T3i offers the former (in extremely limited form of course), but not the latter. Meaning initiating focus during a video will autofocus once and that's it. It won't track anything or readjust itself further.

Nope, not mixing up anything. Read what I posted, that's exactly what I described.
The difference is in our terminology- you are looking at it from a photography perspective, where there is a difference between autofocus and continuous autofocus. I'm coming from decades of working in TV/video, where "autofocus" always means continuous.

The problem comes about when consumers hear that DSLRs can make excellent video cameras (which they can, if you use them correctly), and then assume they can use them just like a camcorder. Then you get people coming in for tech support asking why their kids don't stay in focus when they hit record. Because as far as the world of video is concerned, these things don't autofocus the way video would require. Call it a lack of "continuous" focus or whatever you want. Bottom line is that it doesn't work for video unless you get a camera system designed for it specifically (Panasonic's HD Lumixes, 70D, etc).

...that's why, for all intents and purposes, we say these DSLRs don't do autofocus in video at all. You're just confusing people! :)

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On a completely side note, I'm playing with a Df at my desk now and want want want! :D I'm actually quite uncomfortable using it (I have huge hands) but who cares :P.

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/14/me3epybu.jpg)

Holy retro-hotness, Batman! Interesting, it does seem a bit smaller in your hand than I would have pictured. My sense of scale is off, I'd have to hold one.  I love it how even the Nikon logo somehow looks old-school.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 13, 2013, 01:21:39 PM
you are looking at it from a photography perspective, where there is a difference between autofocus and continuous autofocus. I'm coming from decades of working in TV/video, where "autofocus" always means continuous.

This, I think, is the crux of the issue ;).

Holy retro-hotness, Batman! Interesting, it does seem a bit smaller in your hand than I would have pictured. My sense of scale is off, I'd have to hold one.

Lol. It's actually larger then you'd expect, it's quite tall.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: A3 on December 14, 2013, 07:36:09 PM
Pentax K-50 16MP Digital SLR Camera Kit with DA L 18-55mm WR f3.5-5.6 and 50-200mm WR Lenses (White)
http://amzn.com/B00DBPK97K

Yesterday this was $780, now $645

Is this a good camera, and a good deal? Costco also has this bundle on sale for $699
Title: canon rebel t3i deal from amazon
Post by: deze on December 15, 2013, 12:27:43 AM
does anyone know; if amazon charged me for the camera and deducted the lens promo already, will they change the charges if i now cancel the lens?
Title: Re: canon rebel t3i deal from amazon
Post by: whYME on December 15, 2013, 02:55:48 AM
does anyone know; if amazon charged me for the camera and deducted the lens promo already, will they change the charges if i now cancel the lens?
I cancelled the lens on a couple of orders (after the camera ships!) and the charges on the camera remained the same.

You may have noticed that you only got a prorated portion of the lens promo ($101) not the whole $150.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: mmermss on December 15, 2013, 06:08:52 AM
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/37980
I ordered this but all they charged me for and shipped was "Red Package Adorama Protection Bundle,Software for PC/Mac".  However in the subtotal it has $587  Anyone else got that?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Jimbo on December 15, 2013, 09:50:08 PM
Does anybody know anything about the Sony HX50V? Looks like a compact camera with nice zoom, fantastic video and really nice still shots for a reasonable price. Any opinion on this camera would be appreciated. Thanks
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: chai_forever on December 17, 2013, 08:16:17 AM
Long time lurker, first time post!
Thanks SF for all ur info and time (esp. Learn photography thread...)
Im looking to upgrade from p&s and Ive pretty much decided on a Sony nex 3n due to low price, small size, hi IQ, and seems to be pretty user friendly to help with the learning curve from p&s. I dont see myself purchasing too many lenses, but perhaps a WA prime in the eventual future.
My question is I just saw on B+H website nikon J1 with dual lens kit 10mm prime and 10-30mm for a pretty good price (300). Based on my needs i feel that is pretty good bang for buck, esp cause I prob will invest in a prime lens in the future and the 10mm has pretty high reviews in amazon. Im not sure regarding image quality and user friendliness. Also I will be using for shooting kids photo and video. Any thoughts and ideas are highly appreciated.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 17, 2013, 08:30:47 AM
Long time lurker, first time post!
Thanks SF for all ur info and time (esp. Learn photography thread...)
Im looking to upgrade from p&s and Ive pretty much decided on a Sony nex 3n due to low price, small size, hi IQ, and seems to be pretty user friendly to help with the learning curve from p&s. I dont see myself purchasing too many lenses, but perhaps a WA prime in the eventual future.
My question is I just saw on B+H website nikon J1 with dual lens kit 10mm prime and 10-30mm for a pretty good price (300). Based on my needs i feel that is pretty good bang for buck, esp cause I prob will invest in a prime lens in the future and the 10mm has pretty high reviews in amazon. Im not sure regarding image quality and user friendliness. Also I will be using for shooting kids photo and video. Any thoughts and ideas are highly appreciated.

Welcome to the forums! :D

The J1 is a nice camera and had it's strong points. However, as far as IQ and user friendliness the NEX wins. It's also easier to get out of focus backgrounds with it due to the considerably larger sensor.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Moshe123 on December 17, 2013, 09:04:22 AM
Hello Mr. Fishy,

I'm looking to get a P&S. Wifi feature for sending photos to phone/computer a must. Price should be decent.
So what is the best camera (won't play around with it too much more than just taking pictures and videos (HD is great)) out there for these things. I have zero knowledge of other specs (on that I trust you!).
I only know that I want the best camera at under 100-150 that has the wifi feature.
Also, it should be relatively compact.

Thank you!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: jaywhy on December 17, 2013, 09:20:22 AM
SF,

I'm thinking of selling my 50mm 1.4 and getting the 40mm pancake.
What are your thoughts?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 17, 2013, 09:32:37 AM
Hello Mr. Fishy,

I'm looking to get a P&S. Wifi feature for sending photos to phone/computer a must. Price should be decent.
So what is the best camera (won't play around with it too much more than just taking pictures and videos (HD is great)) out there for these things. I have zero knowledge of other specs (on that I trust you!).
I only know that I want the best camera at under 100-150 that has the wifi feature.
Also, it should be relatively compact.

Thank you!

Canon S110 sounds like the best option.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Moshe123 on December 17, 2013, 09:37:44 AM
Canon S110 sounds like the best option.

Thanks. Not that cheap though.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 17, 2013, 09:38:26 AM
SF,

I'm thinking of selling my 50mm 1.4 and getting the 40mm pancake.
What are your thoughts?

They're completely different lenses in every which way. The question is simply what do you want to do with it.

On APS-C the 50 could be a kinda portrait lens, while the 40 cannot. The 50 is a full 2 stops faster, but the 40 is smaller. The 40 will never give you he creamy backgrounds the 50 could. The 40 makes easier videos (STM), but the 50 makes prettier videos (1.4).

It comes down to what you want to do with it / get out of it.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 17, 2013, 10:06:06 AM
Thanks. Not that cheap though.

???
If you insist I could get you one for $350 ;).

Feel free to get the S120 for $400, but quite frankly it's not really worth it. The G16 is $500 and is basically a somewhat better S120.

What are your needs that you specifically want to spend more?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Moshe123 on December 17, 2013, 10:10:47 AM
???
If you insist I could get you one for $350 ;).

Feel free to get the S120 for $400, but quite frankly it's not really worth it. The G16 is $500 and is basically a somewhat better S120.

What are your needs that you specifically want to spend more?

I said spend less, not more...  :)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 17, 2013, 10:14:54 AM
I said spend less, not more...  :)

For some reason I read you answer as you wanted something not so cheap ::).

So if you want something cheaper get the Elph 130 (720 video, $99), or the elph 530 (1080 video, $109).
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Dan on December 17, 2013, 10:35:29 AM
I said spend less, not more...  :)
No Amazon GCs?
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/38145
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Moshe123 on December 17, 2013, 10:36:58 AM
No Amazon GCs?
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/38145

When the Amex promo was around, I was in Israel and I emptied my wallet beforehand from all excess cards...  :(

And yes, I should have a spreadsheet with all card numbers.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Centro on December 17, 2013, 12:04:29 PM
Just received my T3i, i feel like im in the pilots cockpit  8)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: chai_forever on December 17, 2013, 01:17:48 PM
Welcome to the forums! :D

The J1 is a nice camera and had it's strong points. However, as far as IQ and user friendliness the NEX wins. It's also easier to get out of focus backgrounds with it due to the considerably larger sensor.
Do you think low light performance ( indoors) and bokeh will be better with the 16-50mm on the NEX than the j1 with the 10mm prime? Thanx!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 17, 2013, 02:09:27 PM
Do you think low light performance ( indoors) and bokeh will be better with the 16-50mm on the NEX than the j1 with the 10mm prime? Thanx!

The NEX would win at low light by a bit.

By bokeh I assume you mean how much would be out of focus. (Bokeh itself means the look of out of focus highlights, specifically.) The NEX would win on that again, generally speaking. Even though the Nikon has a larger aperture, the larger sensor and longer lens on the NEX beats that even at a smaller aperture.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: noturbizniss on December 17, 2013, 08:01:47 PM
This is my first dslr. I've had point and shoots and currently use my s3 or wife's lg g2 but u think its high time we get a quality camera. It's just family and kids stuff mostly I'll be shooting.
With all the crazy deals the last couple of weeks and after reading the contents by fishy and others above I'm keeping the  t3i (also got 60d but doesn't sound like it's worth the extra money to a beginner like me. Besides it is at 550 on eBay with 3 days left) and the ef70-300mm and still making about 200 dollars. From what I've read the 70-300 is significantly better than the 75-300 and since it's money in my pocket either way I'll go with the better one.
I have a few questions.
1.betwean the 18-55 kit and the 70-300 I think I'm set with focal length, but since the largest aperture they have is 3.4 do I need another lens with a bigger aperture? A prime maybe?
2 . I never really felt a need for a tripod but is it something I will realize I have use for? If so, any recommendation for good one? Obviously I prefer cheap and light weight but want quality.
3.same question for a remote
4.is the built in flash sufficient or would I want one of those bigger attachments? (you can see how much I know about photography from my proficient use of technical jargon).

Thanks for all the help.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: jack12 on December 17, 2013, 08:56:28 PM
Is this - http://www.amazon.com/PNY-Elite-Performance-UHS-1-P-SDH32U1H-GE/dp/B00DX5D9I4 a good memory card to get for this camera - http://www.amazon.com/Nikon-P100-Vibration-Reduction-Black/dp/B0034XFG86? Is PNY a good brand?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 17, 2013, 08:59:58 PM
This is my first dslr. I've had point and shoots and currently use my s3 or wife's lg g2 but u think its high time we get a quality camera. It's just family and kids stuff mostly I'll be shooting.
With all the crazy deals the last couple of weeks and after reading the contents by fishy and others above I'm keeping the  t3i (also got 60d but doesn't sound like it's worth the extra money to a beginner like me. Besides it is at 550 on eBay with 3 days left) and the ef70-300mm and still making about 200 dollars
Good call.

From what I've read the 70-300 is significantly better than the 75-300
+1000

1.betwean the 18-55 kit and the 70-300 I think I'm set with focal length, but since the largest aperture they have is 3.4 do I need another lens with a bigger aperture? A prime maybe?
You may want to consider the 50mm f/1.8.

2 . I never really felt a need for a tripod but is it something I will realize I have use for? If so, any recommendation for good one? Obviously I prefer cheap and light weight but want quality.
If you shoot landscapes it's just about required. The one from Costco that a couple of people bought last week is out of stock, but anything similar in that price point should be fine.

3.same question for a remote
You could get a basic wired remote for $7 and a radio one for about $35. Worth every penny.

4.is the built in flash sufficient or would I want one of those bigger attachments? (you can see how much I know about photography from my proficient use of technical jargon).
No reason to get a bigger flash until you see that you need it. In the meantime get a simple on-camera flash diffuser, it'll make the light much prettier. If you decide you need a big flash, check out Yongnuo on ebay. Great bang for your buck.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 17, 2013, 09:02:50 PM
Is this - http://www.amazon.com/PNY-Elite-Performance-UHS-1-P-SDH32U1H-GE/dp/B00DX5D9I4 a good memory card to get for this camera - http://www.amazon.com/Nikon-P100-Vibration-Reduction-Black/dp/B0034XFG86? Is PNY a good brand?

Speed-wise it's great (far more than the camera could take advantage of, actually). I would avoid PNY though. Spend another $8 and go for the Sandisk. (http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Extreme-Class-Memory-SDSDX-032G-X46/dp/B004Q3C98S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1387332050&sr=8-1&keywords=sandisk+32gb+30mb+s)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on December 17, 2013, 09:07:16 PM
From what I've read the 70-300 is significantly better than the 75-300 and since it's money in my pocket either way I'll go with the better one.
What am I missing here?
It looks to me like the 70-300 is almost $300 more than the 75-300.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: jack12 on December 17, 2013, 09:08:12 PM
Speed-wise it's great (far more than the camera could take advantage of, actually). I would avoid PNY though. Spend another $8 and go for the Sandisk. (http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Extreme-Class-Memory-SDSDX-032G-X46/dp/B004Q3C98S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1387332050&sr=8-1&keywords=sandisk+32gb+30mb+s)
Even though the Sandisk is only 45MB/s?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on December 17, 2013, 09:10:27 PM
Speed-wise it's great (far more than the camera could take advantage of, actually). I would avoid PNY though. Spend another $8 and go for the Sandisk. (http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Extreme-Class-Memory-SDSDX-032G-X46/dp/B004Q3C98S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1387332050&sr=8-1&keywords=sandisk+32gb+30mb+s)
Even though the Sandisk is only 45MB/s?
I was actually planning on asking about that eventually.

I have the PNY 50MB/s and a Sd 45MB/s that I was considering returning...
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on December 17, 2013, 09:17:23 PM
Wow, I just realized that somehow I totally missed the memory card lesson (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=28108.msg663029#msg663029). I saw all the posts before and after but somehow never saw that one.

I'm gonna blame tapatalk for that...
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 17, 2013, 09:52:42 PM
Even though the Sandisk is only 45MB/s?

Sure. It's still overkill for that camera, but it's only $2 more than the 30MB/s one, so you may as well.

I use 45MB/s cards in my D600, and shoot continuous at about 28MB per picture, and it never hiccups.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: noturbizniss on December 17, 2013, 09:54:56 PM

If you shoot landscapes it's just about required. The one from Costco that a couple of people bought last week is out of stock, but anything similar in that price point should be fine.
Even for day shots? Or only night shots?

Thanks for the info. I was also reading elsewhere about uv filters and hoods... Not necessary? Optional? Preferred? Why?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: jack12 on December 17, 2013, 09:55:59 PM
Sure. It's still overkill for that camera, but it's only $2 more than the 30MB/s one, so you may as well.

I use 45MB/s cards in my D600, and shoot continuous at about 28MB per picture, and it never hiccups.
Ok. Thanks so much!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 17, 2013, 10:00:25 PM
Even fit day shots? Or only night shots?
Any time the light is good for landscape photography a tripod will be wither necessary or close to it.

I was also reading elsewhere about uv filters and hoods... Not necessary? Optional? Preferred? Why?

I generally suggest UV filters, although this is one area where I don't practice what I preach and don't personally use them. I have a lesson on filters in the works where I'll get into more detail on that.

IMO a hood is absolutely necessary on every single lens and should never come off or reversed. And this is not only because of the glare reduction it gives - it's simply the best thing you could do to protect your lens. I can't count how many times a cheap plastic hood has saved my lens from certain doom.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 17, 2013, 10:03:07 PM
What am I missing here?
It looks to me like the 70-300 is almost $300 more than the 75-300.

Exactly, because

From what I've read the 70-300 is significantly better than the 75-300
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: noturbizniss on December 17, 2013, 11:54:56 PM
If you shoot landscapes it's just about required. The one from Costco that a couple of people bought last week is out of stock, but anything similar in that price point should be fine.
This (http://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-60-Inch-Lightweight-Tripod-Bag/dp/B005KP473Q/ref=pd_bxgy_p_text_y) tripod any good?

You could get a basic wired remote for $7 and a radio one for about $35. Worth every penny.
Is this Amazon Basics remote (http://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Wireless-Remote-Control-Canon/dp/B00BCEJ0E0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1387341326&sr=8-1&keywords=canon+t3i+remote) any good?  only 10 foot range...

No reason to get a bigger flash until you see that you need it. In the meantime get a simple on-camera flash diffuser, it'll make the light much prettier. If you decide you need a big flash, check out Yongnuo on ebay. Great bang for your buck.
something like Gary Fong Puffer Pop Up flash Diffuser (http://www.amazon.com/Gary-Fong-Diffuser-OLYMPUS-excluding/dp/B0011000R6)? ANything decent for cheaper?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on December 18, 2013, 12:10:22 AM
Thanks for all your q's noturbizness I had all the same questions.

I was also curious if a polarizing filter is a good item to get.

Thanks
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 18, 2013, 12:17:55 AM
This (http://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-60-Inch-Lightweight-Tripod-Bag/dp/B005KP473Q/ref=pd_bxgy_p_text_y) tripod any good?
Nope...

Is this Amazon Basics remote (http://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Wireless-Remote-Control-Canon/dp/B00BCEJ0E0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1387341326&sr=8-1&keywords=canon+t3i+remote) any good?  only 10 foot range...
Infrared is not a very good potion singe it doesn't work properly outdoors. This Vello (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/749989-REG/Vello_RW_C1_FreeWave_Wireless_Remote_Shutter.html) radio remote is $36 and goes 310'. You could also consider getting one of these (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yongnuo-RF-602-Flash-Trigger-Remote-Control-Canon-DLSR-Camera-/160891323723?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2575dec54b) - not only is it a radio trigger, but it can also trigger an off-camera flash wirelessly if you ever get one.

something like Gary Fong Puffer Pop Up flash Diffuser (http://www.amazon.com/Gary-Fong-Diffuser-OLYMPUS-excluding/dp/B0011000R6)? ANything decent for cheaper?

This (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/752425-REG/Vello_FD_100_Universal_Pop_Up_Diffuser_for.html) would be another alternative, or you could get one of the countless Gary Fong ripoffs from ebay.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 18, 2013, 12:19:01 AM
I was also curious if a polarizing filter is a good item to get.

Thanks

Sure it's a good item to get. It's one of the most useful tools in any setup.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on December 18, 2013, 12:30:25 AM
Just curious, if a camera flash is so bad that you need a diffuser why wouldn't the camera producers not just make a reduced type of flash? Why does it require an additional external piece?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 18, 2013, 12:37:58 AM
Just curious, if a camera flash is so bad that you need a diffuser why wouldn't the camera producers not just make a reduced type of flash? Why does it require an additional external piece?

It's not an issue of less power (you could actually adjust that yourself). It's an issue of diffusing the light to improve the look and feel. Basically the larger the light source the nicer the light. What the diffuser does is simply enlarge the source, which is not something you could build into a camera. Compare the size of the flash itself to the size of the diffuser - the flash has maybe a 1/2 square inch of surface area, while the diffuser has at least 10.

(http://static.bhphoto.com/images/images500x500/752425.jpg)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Dan on December 18, 2013, 12:39:23 AM
Best lightweight tripod option in stock now? Sloozed on Costco :P
Nex-6 diffuser options? 
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 18, 2013, 01:10:37 AM
Best lightweight tripod option in stock now? Sloozed on Costco :P
Nex-6 diffuser options?

This (http://www.amazon.com/Dolica-GX600B200-Proline-60-Inch-Aluminum/dp/B004XC3GWU/ref=sr_1_7?s=photo&ie=UTF8&qid=1387346515&sr=1-7&keywords=carbon+fiber+tripod) tripod and this (http://www.amazon.com/Davis-Sanford-VOYAGERLTB-Voyager-Tripod/dp/B002W0N7VA/ref=sr_1_12?s=photo&ie=UTF8&qid=1387346515&sr=1-12&keywords=carbon+fiber+tripod) one seem quite nice.

As for a diffuser for the NEX-6  :P...

(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w236/Ariithka/_MG_8262--Milkdiffuser.jpg)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Super Speed on December 18, 2013, 01:30:10 AM
I am not a good photographer nor do I take a lot of pics what camera/s should I be looking at (up to $400).

Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on December 18, 2013, 01:35:04 AM
What speed SD card would you recommend for the T3i?
Right now I'm only doing JPG, but I plan on starting JPG + RAW by the DO. Depending how that works out, I might stick to it...
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 18, 2013, 01:47:09 AM
What speed SD card would you recommend for the T3i?
Right now I'm only doing JPG, but I plan on starting JPG + RAW by the DO. Depending how that works out, I might stick to it...

45MB/s is plenty, even for RAW+JPEG.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: deze on December 18, 2013, 01:50:56 AM
anyone who bought the camera, printer deal and plans on keeping the printer. caanon is having a b1g4 free deal on paper
http://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/free-gift-paper-and-scrapbooking-kit-promo?WT.mc_id=C126149
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 18, 2013, 09:31:37 AM
I am not a good photographer nor do I take a lot of pics what camera/s should I be looking at (up to $400).

S110 if you want better quality, one of the elphs (530 is a good option) if you want something smaller and cheaper.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on December 18, 2013, 01:10:04 PM
Couple of comments and opinions:

1) For a wireless shutter remote, I like this one from VidPro:
http://www.amazon.com/RC-22-Universal-Wireless-Control-Shutter/dp/B00EAS8RTY
It is radio controlled, similar to the one Fishy linked above, except it has a universally adaptable plug for different cameras, so it will likely be compatible with whatever body you pick up in the future as well (I like staying brand agnostic and future-proof).

Another thing to consider if you got the T3i however, is the Magic Lantern "hack" (they don't like it when you call it a hack). Magic Lantern adds some cool options to the stock firmware for remote shutter control, including the ability to take a shutter at a certain audio decibel (clap your hands, etc) or only when subject is in focus, etc. And also offers a built in intervalometer, so you can do timelapses and all that, all without buying any additional accessories. Cool stuff.

2) "What the diffuser does is simply enlarge the source" I think a better explanation is to say it "softens" the light by spreading it out. An enlarged light source (like a giant halogen bulb for example) will still create harsh shadows and extreme contrast, arguable much worse than a small flash. You don't want it bigger, you want it softer. For example, the old campfire trick where someone shines a flashlight directly under their chin to look scary, that's sort of an example of the problem. The light is giving off harsh shadows and extreme bits of bright and dark contrasting with each other, which looks cool in that situation, but not so much when you are trying to capture a smiling subject. You want the light to spread out more, and soften the shadows so that the contrast isn't so harsh. That's what a diffuser does- it "diffuses" (ie. spreads out) the light so that it isn't as harsh. As Something Fishy sort of hinted to, having a large complicated diffusion system built into the body of a camera is not reasonable to manufacture. Also, it does tend to dim the output somewhat, so some folks may wish to not use a diffuser if shooting a larger area (standing farther away also helps diffuse the light so it wouldn't even be beneficial). In a nutshell, you have options to make the flash work for you, or choose not to use it at all. Remember, having the flash built in on these things is a novelty- when I was little, I remember my dad had to go get his flash and attach it to the camera everytime we needed it!

3) I LOVE THE MILK CARTON FLASH! Mostly because it is so something I would have done!

4) Speed of the memory card is far less important if you aren't shooting video or continuous shutter mode in RAW. These cameras have a buffer large enough to hold a frame or two (sometimes more) in memory until the card is ready for more. If you are shooting jpeg, I'd be surprised if you ever hit the end of the buffer without trying to. That being said, any class 10 card should be more than enough, and if it was a toss up between a more reliable brand Class 6 or a cheapo brand class 10, I'd even go with the Class 6. I believe Something Fishy did a guide to memory cards in the other photography thread.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Knaper_Chuchem on December 18, 2013, 05:46:59 PM
The G15 is now $299 on Amazon from Adorama.

Guys, I registered 2 Amex cards for the Amazon/Amex deal. I remember reading how to use 2 cards on one sale. If anyone can please send me the link where it's spelled out I'd greatly appreciate!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: ari9 on December 18, 2013, 05:58:07 PM
The G15 is now $299 on Amazon from Adorama.

Guys, I registered 2 Amex cards for the Amazon/Amex deal. I remember reading how to use 2 cards on one sale. If anyone can please send me the link where it's spelled out I'd greatly appreciate!
buy gift cards
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Knaper_Chuchem on December 18, 2013, 06:22:00 PM
Just bought the G15 for a mere $249.00 + Tax (Free Shipping)!!!

Thanks Dan for the Amex/Amazon deal. And you can find all the details here (http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/37751) how to use multiple cards on one deal.

And last but not least thanks for Fishy for the great advice on cameras!!!

FYI, the Canon G15 is still $299 on Amazon. If anyone can notify Dan about it before it's dead again, so other people can benefit as well it'll be appreciated. 
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: noturbizniss on December 18, 2013, 10:04:47 PM
From what I've read the 70-300 is significantly better than the 75-300 and since it's money in my pocket either way I'll go with the better one.
What about the Canon EF-S 55-250mm f/4.0-5.6 IS II]http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0011NVMO8/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_4?ie=UTF8&psc=1]Canon EF-S 55-250mm f/4.0-5.6 IS II (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0011NVMO8/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_4?ie=UTF8&psc=1). The reviews seem to say its comparable to the 70-300 (which may not be so good >200mm, especially >250mm).  I may be able to save anywhere from 10-50 selling the 70-300 on ebay and buying the 55-200mm, but only if it really is better. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 18, 2013, 10:08:30 PM
What about the Canon EF-S 55-250mm f/4.0-5.6 IS II]http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0011NVMO8/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_4?ie=UTF8&psc=1]Canon EF-S 55-250mm f/4.0-5.6 IS II (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0011NVMO8/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_4?ie=UTF8&psc=1). The reviews seem to say its comparable to the 70-300 (which may not be so good >200mm, especially >250mm).  I may be able to save anywhere from 10-50 selling the 70-300 on ebay and buying the 55-200mm, but only if it really is better. Thoughts?

70-300 is definitely worth $50 more than the 55-250.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: noturbizniss on December 18, 2013, 11:21:41 PM
Thanks
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: jaywhy on December 19, 2013, 08:10:08 AM
SF,

I'm thinking of selling all my Canon gear and getting the Olympus OM-D E-M5 or M1.

I'e been reading some amazing reviews about these cameras. I'm really attracted to the small form factor and the image quality seems to be on par with most DSLR's. Supposedly, it is really good in low light even though the sensor is smaller than APS-C.

What are your thoughts?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Dan on December 19, 2013, 02:14:09 PM
This (http://www.amazon.com/Dolica-GX600B200-Proline-60-Inch-Aluminum/dp/B004XC3GWU/ref=sr_1_7?s=photo&ie=UTF8&qid=1387346515&sr=1-7&keywords=carbon+fiber+tripod) tripod and this (http://www.amazon.com/Davis-Sanford-VOYAGERLTB-Voyager-Tripod/dp/B002W0N7VA/ref=sr_1_12?s=photo&ie=UTF8&qid=1387346515&sr=1-12&keywords=carbon+fiber+tripod) one seem quite nice.

As for a diffuser for the NEX-6  :P...

(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w236/Ariithka/_MG_8262--Milkdiffuser.jpg)
Bought the Dolica, thanks.
So, directions for using a milk bottle? Gotta do some surgery on it I'm assuming?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on December 19, 2013, 06:34:34 PM
Bought the Dolica, thanks.
So, directions for using a milk bottle? Gotta do some surgery on it I'm assuming?

LOL- basically Dan, you want to soften and scatter the light. I think Something Fishy was half joking when he posted the picture, but his point is that you don't necessarily have to BUY something specially made for your camera to do that. In fact you can use household items like tracing paper, milk jugs, certain types of thin fabrics, etc. I've used a sheet of baking/wax paper with a clothespin holding it onto an off camera lamp. The lamp directly was casting harsh shadows, so I wanted to soften it. Anything white and semi transparent that will scatter and soften the light is fair game...

In the case of the milk bottle, I think the idea is to cut a shape that will fit over the flash and use the rubber band to hold it in pace. Or, depending on how the shape of the bottle vs shape of the flash is, you might be able to cut a nice shape that will stay on its own, like these guys did:
http://www.digitalcameraworld.com/2013/03/20/diy-photography-hacks-soften-pop-up-flash-with-an-empty-milk-carton/
Title: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 19, 2013, 07:39:19 PM
Bought the Dolica, thanks.
So, directions for using a milk bottle? Gotta do some surgery on it I'm assuming?

I'm not aware of any diffuser made for the NEX, so basically I was saying that you'd have to make your own.

The link that Mordy put is a good one, or just google "DIY flash diffuser" for all kinds of different tutorials. You may even find one dedicated to the NEX-6.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 19, 2013, 07:56:47 PM

SF,

I'm thinking of selling all my Canon gear and getting the Olympus OM-D E-M5 or M1.

I'e been reading some amazing reviews about these cameras. I'm really attracted to the small form factor and the image quality seems to be on par with most DSLR's. Supposedly, it is really good in low light even though the sensor is smaller than APS-C.

What are your thoughts?

Scary decision to make, but one that could be very good. Just make sure that you know ALL the advantages and disadvantages of your new system vis a vis your old one.

- Like you said, IQ is nearly equal to APS-C. Low light will not be the same, but pretty darn close.
- Continuous AF is not nearly as fast as a DSLR (single AF is just about the same these days)
- All things being equal, the smaller sensor will have more DOF, so you'd need longer/faster lenses to achieve the same shallow DOF that you may be used to.
- Make absolutely certain that M4/3 offers the lenses you need/want at the quality you need/want (and it probably does) Remember to consider weather sealing and other tangential details like that (if these are important to you).
- IIRC the Olympus has in-camera IS, which is wonderful.
- Consider accessories like flashes, remotes, battery grips, etc. Make sure that you'd be able to cover everything you need.
- Your battery life will be horrible compared to what you're used too with DSLRs.
- Consider handling. It's a different form factor, so make sure it's comfortable to use.

These are just a few points off the top of my head... I'm sure there are many more. Just make sure you think this through thoroughly.

After all that, if you make the switch, your kit will be half the weight and about the same quality. Now THAT would be awesome :D.


Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: jaywhy on December 19, 2013, 10:47:39 PM
Scary decision to make, but one that could be very good. Just make sure that you know ALL the advantages and disadvantages of your new system vis a vis your old one.

- Like you said, IQ is nearly equal to APS-C. Low light will not be the same, but pretty darn close.
- Continuous AF is not nearly as fast as a DSLR (single AF is just about the same these days)
- All things being equal, the smaller sensor will have more DOF, so you'd need longer/faster lenses to achieve the same shallow DOF that you may be used to.
- Make absolutely certain that M4/3 offers the lenses you need/want at the quality you need/want (and it probably does) Remember to consider weather sealing and other tangential details like that (if these are important to you).
- IIRC the Olympus has in-camera IS, which is wonderful.
- Consider accessories like flashes, remotes, battery grips, etc. Make sure that you'd be able to cover everything you need.
- Your battery life will be horrible compared to what you're used too with DSLRs.
- Consider handling. It's a different form factor, so make sure it's comfortable to use.

These are just a few points off the top of my head... I'm sure there are many more. Just make sure you think this through thoroughly.

After all that, if you make the switch, your kit will be half the weight and about the same quality. Now THAT would be awesome :D.
Thanks.

I've really been looking into this and I think I'm going to take the plunge.
IQ is where I'm used to, low light performance is very good, lots of accessories, the lens selection is very good too, not as extensive as Canon's but definitely fits my needs. The Olympus M3/4 are all weather sealed and freeze-proof. I rarely use continuous AF so that's not an issue. The only issue is the battery but I can always carry a spare or two.
Right now, the size and weight of my DSLR kit is a major impediment to me using it more often. I think cutting the size and weight in half with the same quality is definitely worth cutting some corners.

Now, Olympus OM D E5 or E1? ;)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on December 19, 2013, 11:17:48 PM
As someone who owns both Canon DSLRs as well as Micro4/3s, I'd like to weigh in on this, as some of my opinions are different from Something Fishy's.
I don't own an OM-D, however I do own other Olympus cameras and am somewhat familiar with their flagship model.

- Like you said, IQ is nearly equal to APS-C. Low light will not be the same, but pretty darn close.

The OM-D's Sony sensor is excellent for its size. While I agree when Something Fishy says the best DSLRs will still outperform it in IQ, the DR and highlight rolloff as well as color reproduction can easily surpass the entry level DSLRs (like a Canon Rebel) in my opinion. This is a praise I'd have difficulty giving to most other mirrorless cameras, and rather unique to the OM-D from what I've seen. Its really something special, and surprisingly considered "pro-level", which is a rarity in mirrorless.

- Continuous AF is not nearly as fast as a DSLR (single AF is just about the same these days)

I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with you here. Continuous AF in the world of Micro4/3 is head and shoulders faster than a DSLR! This mount was designed for hybrid cameras, one of the reasons I initially adopted it (video use for facial tracking in real time). In fact, the Micro 4/3 spec sheet includes extra pins to feed the body the necessary phase-detection data for live continuous focus. That's why we had smooth focusing video camera lenses in micro4/3 YEARS before Canon could offer anything remotely similar!
This is actually one of the major PROs of the platform, not a con!

- All things being equal, the smaller sensor will have more DOF, so you'd need longer/faster lenses to achieve the same shallow DOF that you may be used to.
This is true. You need to go wider to get the same field of view, and lose some of the shallow focus that makes everything so dreamy. On the plus side, a smaller sensor means lenses designed for the mount can be focally reduced (this is where things get fun), but compressing the image circle smaller using the same amount of glass. The end result is a wider and faster lens that is roughly the same amount of glass to produce.
For example, the Nokton 25mm F/0.95 would be extremely difficult if not impossible to produce for a Full frame DSLR, but is widely available for m4/3 and gives the same FOV and DOF as a full frame 50mmf/1.4, but with more light to boot!
Olympus has some really sweet constant F/2.0 zooms that use this technology to achieve it as well- they basically took the optics of their larger older lenses, and reduced the focal point so that the photons are condensed. More light and wider FOV, win-win!

If you want to use larger full frame lenses on this body, look into the Metabones speedbooster (shamless plug for blog post on the subject: http://techcitement.com/hardware/new-metabones-adapter-makes-your-slr-lenses-better-stronger-faster/#.UrO_PvRDu3I ), which is basically an adapter for mirrorless bodies that will shrink the image circle from a full frame lens and make it wider and gain a stop of light. This was unheard of until recently (supposedly) because there was some sort of patent on it that finally expired. Crazy times we live in!

- Make absolutely certain that M4/3 offers the lenses you need/want at the quality you need/want (and it probably does) Remember to consider weather sealing and other tangential details like that (if these are important to you).
The biggest con with M43 versus big names like Nikon and Canon is the lens selection. There are far more lens options for DSLRs, and more price competition with third party options (sigma, Tamron, etc). There are third party Micro4/3, but they are fewer and farther in between. That being said, Olympus has some incredibly sharp zooms, and Panasonic has some pretty incredible ones I'm hoping to buy sometime in the near future. Meanwhile, you can always adapt larger camera mounts- and in fact, this is where it really gets interesting!

You see, because micro 4/3 lacks a mirror, the flange distance (that's the distance between the lens and the film/sensor) is shorter than any DSLR (since that mirror takes up space). Nikon DSLRs have one of the largest gaps, which is why you can't really mount other types of camera lenses on it- if you did, your focus would be off because the glass is too far away from the sensor. However, you can mount a Nikon on a Canon EOS, since it has a smaller flange distance than a Nikon. The adapter would take up the space of the difference, and hold it exactly where it needs to be for proper focus. But you can't mount the old Canon FD lenses, because they had shorter flange distances than both the Canon EOS and Nikon mounts.

But... mirrorless is smaller than ALL OF THEM! So old obscure lenses that are still sharp and amazing can be adapted to them! In fact, since most people have no use for them anymore, they tend to go for dirt cheap!
I picked up a Canon FD 135mm f/2.8 for... wait for it... $7! SEVEN!

My favorite is the 35-105 constant f/3.5, which I showed on an olympus with an adapter earlier in this thread (and I think I paid $50 for):
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ax5CH1gCEAEZIo_.jpg)

The metabones adapter would actually shrink the image circle to cover more of the micro-4/3, effectively making this a 24-73mm f/2.8 constant zoom!
So yes, your native lens selection may be more limited than a DSLR, but it actually opens up whole new worlds for hobbyists and tinkerers to play with some excellent glass not available to DSLR shooters!

- IIRC the Olympus has in-camera IS, which is wonderful.
That's true, and its spectacular!

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- Consider accessories like flashes, remotes, battery grips, etc. Make sure that you'd be able to cover everything you need.
A legit concern. Although, since the OM-D is considered one of the few mirrorless Pro-level cameras, it has gained some traction in the photography accessory world. Olympus makes grips, I'm not sure if I've ever seen one without it in the real world come to think of it.

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- Your battery life will be horrible compared to what you're used too with DSLRs.

Now this is another point of contention I'd have. The mechanics of a mirrorless camera are simpler than a DSLR (using a small shutter curtain instead of a mirror that would need to flip, and silent shutter mode requires no moving parts at all!). Snapping a photo requires less energy on a mirrorless than a DSLR, and considering these don't necesarily have smaller batteries (OM-D especially), what on earth would make you think that? My micro4/3 cameras outlast my Rebel batteries easily.
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- Consider handling. It's a different form factor, so make sure it's comfortable to use.
Yes and no. The OM-D is a big camera for a mirrorless, and much closer to a DSLR in ergonomics than your average mirrorless. One of the selling points is supposed to be that it works and feels like a DSLR in most applications.

...I don't mean any disrespect, your camera knowledge is priceless. I'm starting to wonder if Mirrorless just isn't your thing. :)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Zevwolf on December 20, 2013, 12:22:23 AM
How does the s110 compare with sx280?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 20, 2013, 12:56:22 AM
As someone who owns both Canon DSLRs as well as Micro4/3s
Let me just say for the record that I own both Nikon DSLRs and Sony NEX ;).

I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with you here. Continuous AF in the world of Micro4/3 is head and shoulders faster than a DSLR! This mount was designed for hybrid cameras, one of the reasons I initially adopted it (video use for facial tracking in real time). In fact, the Micro 4/3 spec sheet includes extra pins to feed the body the necessary phase-detection data for live continuous focus. That's why we had smooth focusing video camera lenses in micro4/3 YEARS before Canon could offer anything remotely similar!
This is actually one of the major PROs of the platform, not a con!
Again, you're talking video while I'm talking photo. Tracking a moving subject while shooting continuous photos and keeping the subject in focus shot-to-shot is the weakest point in the mirrorless focus system. Even now that the newest cameras have on-sensor phase detection, this is not nearly as effective as the dedicated focus sensor DSLRs have. You use the words "live continuous autofocus" - that's what video is, and as you say, this outperforms DSLR video any day of the week. Continuous photography, OTOH, is not "live" in that sense. The subject is moving 6 times further between each frame than in video (considering 30fps video and 5fps photo). Tracking these larger increments properly is simply not as attainable with ML cameras as opposed to DSLR.

The ML focus system is is a pro (and a helluva big one) for video. But for stills it's a major con.

For example, the Nokton 25mm F/0.95 would be extremely difficult if not impossible to produce for a Full frame DSLR
There's always the $11,000 50mm f/0.95 Noctilux full frame lens if you're looking for a bargain :D.

If you want to use larger full frame lenses on this body, look into the Metabones speedbooster (shamless plug for blog post on the subject: http://techcitement.com/hardware/new-metabones-adapter-makes-your-slr-lenses-better-stronger-faster/#.UrO_PvRDu3I ), which is basically an adapter for mirrorless bodies that will shrink the image circle from a full frame lens and make it wider and gain a stop of light. This was unheard of until recently (supposedly) because there was some sort of patent on it that finally expired. Crazy times we live in!
The biggest con with M43 versus big names like Nikon and Canon is the lens selection. There are far more lens options for DSLRs, and more price competition with third party options (sigma, Tamron, etc). There are third party Micro4/3, but they are fewer and farther in between. That being said, Olympus has some incredibly sharp zooms, and Panasonic has some pretty incredible ones I'm hoping to buy sometime in the near future. Meanwhile, you can always adapt larger camera mounts- and in fact, this is where it really gets interesting!
You see, because micro 4/3 lacks a mirror, the flange distance (that's the distance between the lens and the film/sensor) is shorter than any DSLR (since that mirror takes up space). Nikon DSLRs have one of the largest gaps, which is why you can't really mount other types of camera lenses on it- if you did, your focus would be off because the glass is too far away from the sensor. However, you can mount a Nikon on a Canon EOS, since it has a smaller flange distance than a Nikon. The adapter would take up the space of the difference, and hold it exactly where it needs to be for proper focus. But you can't mount the old Canon FD lenses, because they had shorter flange distances than both the Canon EOS and Nikon mounts.
But... mirrorless is smaller than ALL OF THEM! So old obscure lenses that are still sharp and amazing can be adapted to them! In fact, since most people have no use for them anymore, they tend to go for dirt cheap!
I picked up a Canon FD 135mm f/2.8 for... wait for it... $7! SEVEN!
My favorite is the 35-105 constant f/3.5, which I showed on an olympus with an adapter earlier in this thread (and I think I paid $50 for):
The metabones adapter would actually shrink the image circle to cover more of the micro-4/3, effectively making this a 24-73mm f/2.8 constant zoom!
So yes, your native lens selection may be more limited than a DSLR, but it actually opens up whole new worlds for hobbyists and tinkerers to play with some excellent glass not available to DSLR shooters!
The entire reason for this whole conversation is because jaywhy wants to sell his Canon kit due to the size and weight, so this doesn't apply to him :). Although anyone else reading this thread would find this incredibly useful.

Now this is another point of contention I'd have. The mechanics of a mirrorless camera are simpler than a DSLR (using a small shutter curtain instead of a mirror that would need to flip, and silent shutter mode requires no moving parts at all!). Snapping a photo requires less energy on a mirrorless than a DSLR, and considering these don't necesarily have smaller batteries (OM-D especially), what on earth would make you think that? My micro4/3 cameras outlast my Rebel batteries easily.
The mechanics of the shutter is irrelevant. What matters is the fact that I could keep my DSLR powered on for weeks at a time and take over 1000 pictures on a battery, while a mirrorless camera would not last a couple of hours in any normal shooting situation. What kills the battery on a ML is the fact that the LCD has to be on at all times while shooting. And using the viewfinder won't help much, since guess what - it's an LCD too. Smaller and more efficient that the main one, to be sure, but still an incredible battery hog.

While shooting with a DSLR, the LCD screen is on for two seconds after the picture is taken, if at that (many people just turn that off too). That means that the only power loads are coming from the metering/focusing systems (6 seconds per shot, if that), IS (if the lens has it), and the other regular electronics (sensor during exposure, A/D converter, etc. etc.). And yes, the mechanics of the shutter. What load do you think a minuscule servo motor puts on the battery, compared with a constantly-running LCD???

But all this is really a waste of time. Just look a CIPA numbers:

Olympus OM-D E-M1: 350 shots per battery
Sony NEX-6: 360 shots per battery
Canon T5i: 440 shots per battery
Canon 70D: 920 shots per battery

And to use your words: "Snapping a photo requires less energy on a mirrorless than a DSLR" - very true. But not taking a picture with a DSLR takes no power, while a mirrorless is constantly draining the battery via the LCD. And this is why your statement that "why in the world would I say that considering that they don't necessarily have small batteries" has no merit - even with the same batteries, one camera drains power constantly while the other doesn't. Simple as that.

...I don't mean any disrespect, your camera knowledge is priceless. I'm starting to wonder if Mirrorless just isn't your thing. :)
Well then don't be disrespectful. How dare anyone disagree with me!

But seriously, it's been a while since I've had a long, geeky, camera argument with someone. I'm enjoying every moment :D.

I think the underlying difference between us (as we've both brushed upon over the last couple of days) is that we're coming from very different places. I'm a photographer; you seem far more video-centric. AF means completely different things to each of us; you use your equipment in a completely different way than I do. (I think that's probably why you say that your M4/3 battery outlasts the Rebel, you're probably using it mainly in live view. Then it'll have both the LCD drain of ML and the mechanical drain (however small) of DSLRs. But I digress.)

And regarding if mirrorless is my 'thing', while it's not my primary tool (by far), I'm as intimately familiar with them as with DSLRs. In fact, my day job is 100% on the technical aspects of photography, not the artistic. I design and develop photography and lighting equipment, so I know technical things most people - and even testing websites (DxOMark, DP Review, et. al) - don't even dream about. Of note to this conversation, some of the things I'm working now on or have worked on in the recent past are batteries, inverters, and yes, lens mount adapters (including Metabones-type ones).
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on December 20, 2013, 02:27:44 AM
Nice- let's keep geeking it up, then. :)

There's a lot of truth in that I'm coming at this from a different angle, but photography is a passionate hobby of mine (I'm a lens fanatic and love to tinker) as well as picking up the occasional product photography gig on the side. To be fair, when doing photography I'm less traditional... I'll use the EVF and autofocus lenses when shooting kids and events, but otherwise I'm using magic lantern to give me focus peaking meters on the LCD with vintage glass. Or the ghost image feature (overlay a previous picture onto the live view) so I can line up images for mannequins or stop motion to be EXACTLY where the previous one was. In fact when I'm using the viewfinder I still have the LCD on displaying current settings, so I guess my LCD is always active. So, your explanation is valid- I'm clearly not your average DSLR user, so I guess I'm just special. :)

I find that for my use, which is probably unrealistic for everyone else, the mirrorless batteries last longer than my DSLR. So I jumped on the accusation that it would be the opposite. Sorry about that. It is when you use it like I do.

Let me just say for the record that I own both Nikon DSLRs and Sony NEX ;).

Right. I figured I'd chime in since he's talking about Canon and Olympus, which I happen to own. I'm also intimately familiar with the micro 4/3 lens situation for both hobby and work, and thought perhaps I had some useful perspective.

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Again, you're talking video while I'm talking photo. Tracking a moving subject while shooting continuous photos and keeping the subject in focus shot-to-shot is the weakest point in the mirrorless focus system. Even now that the newest cameras have on-sensor phase detection, this is not nearly as effective as the dedicated focus sensor DSLRs have. You use the words "live continuous autofocus" - that's what video is, and as you say, this outperforms DSLR video any day of the week. Continuous photography, OTOH, is not "live" in that sense. The subject is moving 6 times further between each frame than in video (considering 30fps video and 5fps photo). Tracking these larger increments properly is simply not as attainable with ML cameras as opposed to DSLR.

I don't see why this should be different. The mechanics of how that works, be it video or stills, should be the same. A portion of processing power (over various CPUs in the case of some of these bodies) is dedicated to the focus system, which tracks objects moving in real time. One could argue that it is harder to do with video, since the rest of the processing power has to go into scaling the frame down to 2MP for 1080p, and encoding it into h.264 (not a light task for a little embedded chip to do 30-60 times a second) as well as all the things that would go into image acquisition for stills. To have a processor dedicated to specific tasks is necessary, and that's something many mirrorless cameras have actually gotten RIGHT versus traditional DSLRs in my experience!
I usually use my Canon for shots that involved continuous shutter just because my favorite autofocus lens is native to it, but the few times I used the continuous mode on my GH2, the thing kept everyone in focus even shooting shallow DOF at 140mm. I wasn't at all surprised because I figure, if it can handle the arduous task of properly re sizing a video frame better than a DSLR*, it can rapid fire stills as well.

*DSLRs such as Canons are notorious for actually not being fast enough to properly resize a frame to HD in real time. They do it by actually throwing out most of the data (aka line skipping) to keep up with the rest of the processing. The result is softer picture with lots of moire and aliasing. One of the big pros of the GH2 over the Canon DSLR system for me shooting video, is that the GH2 offered a dedicated image resample system that did away with moire and aliasing, as well as the ability to keep subjects in continuous AF. At the end of the day, unless I missing something (and please do fill me in, I'm very curious!), I don't see why a mirrorless camera wouldn't be as good if not better in stills doing a similar task!

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Well then don't be disrespectful. How dare anyone disagree with me!

Hey, remember when you made up the specs of an imaginary camera when someone asked about the 60D? LOL! :P

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In fact, my day job is 100% on the technical aspects of photography, not the artistic. I design and develop photography and lighting equipment, so I know technical things most people - and even testing websites (DxOMark, DP Review, et. al) - don't even dream about. Of note to this conversation, some of the things I'm working now on or have worked on in the recent past are batteries, inverters, and yes, lens mount adapters (including Metabones-type ones).

We should talk, then. Outside of this. I'm an experienced beta tester for some companies you've probably heard of. :)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 20, 2013, 03:12:04 AM
Nice- let's keep geeking it up, then. :)

There's a lot of truth in that I'm coming at this from a different angle, but photography is a passionate hobby of mine (I'm a lens fanatic and love to tinker) as well as picking up the occasional product photography gig on the side. To be fair, when doing photography I'm less traditional... I'll use the EVF and autofocus lenses when shooting kids and events, but otherwise I'm using magic lantern to give me focus peaking meters on the LCD with vintage glass. Or the ghost image feature (overlay a previous picture onto the live view) so I can line up images for mannequins or stop motion to be EXACTLY where the previous one was. In fact when I'm using the viewfinder I still have the LCD on displaying current settings, so I guess my LCD is always active. So, your explanation is valid- I'm clearly not your average DSLR user, so I guess I'm just special. :)

I find that for my use, which is probably unrealistic for everyone else, the mirrorless batteries last longer than my DSLR. So I jumped on the accusation that it would be the opposite. Sorry about that. It is when you use it like I do.
I figured :). That was just too ludicrous a claim, I knew there had to be something more behind it ;).

I don't see why this should be different. The mechanics of how that works, be it video or stills, should be the same. A portion of processing power (over various CPUs in the case of some of these bodies) is dedicated to the focus system, which tracks objects moving in real time. One could argue that it is harder to do with video, since the rest of the processing power has to go into scaling the frame down to 2MP for 1080p, and encoding it into h.264 (not a light task for a little embedded chip to do 30-60 times a second) as well as all the things that would go into image acquisition for stills. To have a processor dedicated to specific tasks is necessary, and that's something many mirrorless cameras have actually gotten RIGHT versus traditional DSLRs in my experience!
I usually use my Canon for shots that involved continuous shutter just because my favorite autofocus lens is native to it, but the few times I used the continuous mode on my GH2, the thing kept everyone in focus even shooting shallow DOF at 140mm. I wasn't at all surprised because I figure, if it can handle the arduous task of properly re sizing a video frame better than a DSLR*, it can rapid fire stills as well.

*DSLRs such as Canons are notorious for actually not being fast enough to properly resize a frame to HD in real time. They do it by actually throwing out most of the data (aka line skipping) to keep up with the rest of the processing. The result is softer picture with lots of moire and aliasing. One of the big pros of the GH2 over the Canon DSLR system for me shooting video, is that the GH2 offered a dedicated image resample system that did away with moire and aliasing, as well as the ability to keep subjects in continuous AF. At the end of the day, unless I missing something (and please do fill me in, I'm very curious!), I don't see why a mirrorless camera wouldn't be as good if not better in still doing a similar task!

That's because you keep on focusing on the processor and are ignoring the basic difference in methodology. The processor has nothing to do with the camera system; you could theoretically put any processor in any system. The important difference is between contrast and phase detect.

A DSLR uses phase detect. That means that the AF sensor will look at the point to be focused from two slightly offset points (kinda like a stereoscopic 3D idea). It will then overlay one over the other until they match up. Using the very basic math of seeing by how many degrees it had to adjust the two images by to be one, it triangulates the distance to the subject. Once it knows that the subject is, say, 6 feet away, it'll instruct the lens to move to that position. This is a gross oversimplification of the idea, but the point is that the system takes a single reading, and it knows right away where to set the lens to. Since there is only one reading and one lens movement involved, this system is extremely fast. Now if you had a faster processor and/or faster motor in your lens, this process will be even faster. Bit even at its basic level, it's extremely speedy.

Now if you're shooting continuously, no matter where the subject went in the frame, it'll re-acquire focus nearly instantaneously, because its just a very speedy system.

Mirrorless cameras on the other hand, use contrast detect. The system will look at the point to be focused, and try to find a clear contrast between light and dark areas. This step in and of itself is relatively slow, since it could get lost easily. What if there are no clear differences in tonality, for example? Once it finds a promising area, it will try to make this light/dark border as distinctive as possible. If the border becomes sharp, then the picture will be in focus.

However, when it finds a promising area, unlike phase detect, this system has no idea about the distance of the subject. So what it does is it starts moving the lens back and forth, near and far, trying and experimenting until if thinks it got the best possible border. This is a very slow process. Here again a  faster processor or lens motor goes a long way to make it faster, and with a stationary subject this actually approaches phase detect speed.

However in continuous shooting, this whole process has to be repeated over and over again. Problem is, how could it do its typical trial and error, focusing back and forth, when the subject is constantly changing distances? It could go back and forth for weeks! Fortunately, it is fast enough to eventually figure it out. Fast enough to be useable, but not nearly as fast - or as accurate - as phase detect.

We should talk, then. Outside of this. I'm an experienced beta tester for some companies you've probably heard of. :)

The testing I was talking about is not beta testing, but technical and industrial testing. I'll give you an example:

Ever seen a filter test or comparison? The internet is full of them. A series of photos, with the filter, without the filter, with a different filter, ect., followed by a proclamation of which one is best.

I've also tested filters. But what I did was very slightly more elaborate 8).

I spent over $30k lab testing different filters and brands. We had spectrophotometers measure the precise light transmission and wavelengths of each filter. We had scanning electron microscopes examine every glass, coating, and supporting ring. We did all sorts of stress testing (drop, abrasion, pressure, lateral force). We did an entire swath of environmental tests - both short and long term (staining, heat, freezing, moisture, salt, fog, sand).

I could tell you exactly which brand's UV filters actually filter out UV rays - and at what wavelength - and which do nothing. I know what every brand's multicoating is made out of, how it's layered, and whether it's applied in a vacuum or painted. I know who makes bogus transmission claims and who doesn't. I know the grade of aluminum everyone uses in their rings, and how strong it is under any numbers of conditions. I know the type of construction, retaining, and sandwiching every filter has. I know how color neutral they are, and how it would change in time, if at all. I could tell you the exact difference between Schott, ColorCore, and WaterWhite glass, and each grade of them.

I know which filter is best for someone on a tight budget, whether or not it's worthwhile to go with a "better" brand, and what filter you should take to Iceland vs. the Grand Canyon.

When I work on a project, I go to an absolute extreme (maybe even insane :P) level to know every singe technical thing there is to know about it.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on December 20, 2013, 09:59:21 AM
I figured :). That was just too ludicrous a claim, I knew there had to be something more behind it ;).

Still, something to take into consideration is that not everyone who owns a DSLR knows how to use a VF properly. People coming from a point and shoot end up trying to use it like a point and shoot (old habits die hard). I've seen many soccer mom types holding the camera out and framing their shot via the LCD, apparently unaware of a VF. A family member was using one of my cameras over 10 years ago, complained she couldn't see the screen in the sunlight until I pointed out she should look through the viewfinder "Oh yeah- they still have those?" (don't worry, I've taught her a lot since then- LOL).

Point is, its not so crazy to assume a lot of people out there are regularly using contrast detect AF (since that's usually the only option in live view) and just as much LCD as a mirrorless or point and shoot camera. Hopefully that number is small, but I've met a LOT of ignorant people in the real world who like expensive toys. :)

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Ever seen a filter test or comparison? The internet is full of them. A series of photos, with the filter, without the filter, with a different filter, ect., followed by a proclamation of which one is best.
Indeed, I've done some of those. Both as a moderator of a film making community, and resident camera blogger at techcitement.com.

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When I work on a project, I go to an absolute extreme (maybe even insane :P) level to know every singe technical thing there is to know about it.

You sir, are not alone. :)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Dan on December 20, 2013, 10:04:27 AM
This stuff is so far over my head that it's sad.
But Mordy, I'd like to personally invite you to our photography DO next month. With the 2 of you there it should make for some great live entertainment :D
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 20, 2013, 10:59:09 AM
With the 2 of you there it should make for some great live entertainment :D

Isn't cockfigtting illegal or something :D?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: noturbizniss on December 20, 2013, 12:09:10 PM
In looking for some used lenses on ebay, in seeing a lot of 2x zoom attachments or wide angle attachments. Are these things worth the 20-40 they charge?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: jaywhy on December 20, 2013, 12:22:08 PM
Loving the camera geekiness in this thread right now.
FTR, the EM 1 has both contrast detect and phase detect AF systems.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 20, 2013, 12:29:20 PM
Loving the camera geekiness in this thread right now.
FTR, the EM 1 has both contrast detect and phase detect AF systems.

The phase detect on the E-M1 is just a couple of pixels on the sensor, meant to supplement the contrast detect. Eventually this will probably replace dedicated phase detect systems in DSLRs, but for now on-sensor phase detect is very much in its infancy. It'll give you a tiny boost over stand-alone contrast detect, but still light years away from DSLR speeds.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 20, 2013, 12:41:41 PM
In looking for some used lenses on ebay, in seeing a lot of 2x zoom attachments or wide angle attachments. Are these things worth the 20-40 they charge?

Personally I would never recommend them for a couple of reasons. Lenses aren't made to support weight on the front, so you run the risk of damaging your lens. If your front element rotates during focus, this may inhibit proper operation. And that's not getting into quality issues - coatings, distortion, etc.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on December 20, 2013, 01:39:23 PM
This stuff is so far over my head that it's sad.
But Mordy, I'd like to personally invite you to our photography DO next month. With the 2 of you there it should make for some great live entertainment :D
Isn't cockfigtting illegal or something :D?
ROFL- we should charge admission and make it a fundraiser. Hey Dan, we also do weddings and bar mitzvahs!

Seriously though, its always a pleasure to geek it out with someone who can actually follow me.
In looking for some used lenses on ebay, in seeing a lot of 2x zoom attachments or wide angle attachments. Are these things worth the 20-40 they charge?
Personally I would never recommend them for a couple of reasons. Lenses aren't made to support weight on the front, so you run the risk of damaging your lens. If your front element rotates during focus, this may inhibit proper operation. And that's not getting into quality issues - coatings, distortion, etc.
There are some simple ones that are quite light (barely heavier than a plastic hood) and have the benefit of being cheaper than buying an additional lens to reach a particular viewing angle. But I would still agree with SF, you sort of get what you pay for when it comes to glass elements. (used lenses can be a real bargain though)

As a general rule, any adapter that introduces another layer of glass should be avoided if possible, since each element interferes with the light and loses some of it (a stop or two at least is expected, and that's the good ones), essentially lowering your effective aperture (raising F-stop number), and the cheaper ones also introduce a lot of chromatic aberration, distortion and softness. Its like the copy-of-a-copy effect, each time you copy you lose something, until you are left with a poor facsimile of the original. In this case, every glass has minor imperfections but you usually don't notice them. Stack another one in front, they start to add up. You're almost always better off getting a real lens that natively reaches the distance you are looking to cover. Stick with the original whenever possible.

That being said, there are times that they are quite beneficial. A buddy of mine took an incredible picture of the moon- he used a crop sensor with the deepest telephoto zoom he could find, and threw one of these multipliers on the end of it (he might have even daisy chained more than one together). The result was something truly beautiful- a shot of the moon that nearly fills the frame with a staggering amount of detail! But I think they should be reserved for more of a specialty item like that. Its not something I'd walk around with regularly.

*note: the only glass adapter that DOESN'T lose light and degrade the image is the Metabones Speedbooster, but the science behind it is too complicated to explain here. And I expect the only person who'd fully understand it is already aware of it. :)

Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: chai_forever on December 22, 2013, 07:37:09 AM
Totally enjoying watching geeks at play, though I must admit most of it is over my head.( I am pretty tall, but I guess it helps to be head and shoulders above ;) ;)
I was just wondering if there was any way to harness all that info about metaboosters, adapters etc. for myself regarding purchasing used quality lenses for Sony NEX. Any specific adapters, things to look for in used lenses etc. Mordy, this seems to be your area of expertise... So you post first, then I'll wait for SF to argue ;)
Thanks!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: noturbizniss on December 22, 2013, 11:43:04 AM
When I got my t3i I also got the  amazon basics sling backpack (http://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Sling-Backpack-Cameras-Black/dp/B005VTIMEQ)
Right now I have the camera with the 18-55mm lens and the 70-300mm lens. I I will be buying the 50mm lens any day, as well as a filter or three, a lens hood (do I need more than one?) and a tripod and down the road possibly an external flash.
Is the linked pack any good? Do I want a smaller carry pick add well or on addition?
I imagine I probably would not take the tripod everywhere, only certain times so that's not as much an issue.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 22, 2013, 12:21:33 PM
When I got my t3i I also got the  amazon basics sling backpack (http://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Sling-Backpack-Cameras-Black/dp/B005VTIMEQ)
Right now I have the camera with the 18-55mm lens and the 70-300mm lens. I I will be buying the 50mm lens any day, as well as a filter or three, a lens hood (do I need more than one?) and a tripod and down the road possibly an external flash.
Is the linked pack any good? Do I want a smaller carry pick add well or on addition?
I imagine I probably would not take the tripod everywhere, only certain times so that's not as much an issue.

Show me a photographer and I'll show you a closet full of bags.

The quest for the perfect bag is never ending. There are a million different types and styles; walk into a store like b&h and you'll find HUNDREDS of different bags on display. You have to check out a couple, see how comfortable they are, and make sure they could hold your stuff.
A bag is not really something you could figure out from the internet only. Once you have it narrowed down to a couple of models, sure. But someone in your situation should really try different ones out first.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on December 22, 2013, 01:39:06 PM
Totally enjoying watching geeks at play, though I must admit most of it is over my head.( I am pretty tall, but I guess it helps to be head and shoulders above ;) ;)
I was just wondering if there was any way to harness all that info about metaboosters, adapters etc. for myself regarding purchasing used quality lenses for Sony NEX. Any specific adapters, things to look for in used lenses etc. Mordy, this seems to be your area of expertise... So you post first, then I'll wait for SF to argue ;)
Thanks!

Ha- well, the metabones speedbooster is really, really cool and revolutionary, but not cheap. It actually launched on the Sony NEX mount first adapting full frame EOS lenses, I wrote up an article about it a while back here:
http://techcitement.com/hardware/new-metabones-adapter-makes-your-slr-lenses-better-stronger-faster/#.UrciEvRDu3I
(I might have already mentioned it in the thread, can't remember).

The particular flavor of the adapter takes EOS lenses and shrinks the image circle down to your NEX APS-C sized sensor using a 0.7x focal reducer element. So you essentially get full frame coverage on your crop, and also gain a stop of light (not just T-stop, actually F-stop changes, DOF and all- its quite remarkable). The nice thing about the NEX-to-EOS version, is that it actually interfaces with the electronics, so you get full control of the EOS lens features including iris control, metering and autofocus (although I think it might be a bit slower than a native lens). You can essentially then go ahead and take the full range of Canon FF glass and use it on your NEX, however be warned that the adapter costs almost as much as the camera! Combined with the cost of EOS lenses, you aren't getting a deal versus going native NEX. Just more interesting options (that are still cheaper and smaller than a 5D with the same lens).

If the best-bang-for-your-buck is what you are after, you need to go vintage lenses. But be warned, these lenses are going to be manual focus and will NOT interface with the camera at all, as there are no electronics to do so. The camera, for all intents and purposes, will think there is no lens attached (on some cameras, you have to check "shoot without lens" in the menu to make it stop complaining).
The downside to this is you can't just leave the camera on "auto" and snap away. You have to actually learn about how exposure works and what you are doing. If you have a background in photography or ever took a class in college, you probably aren't scared of this. After all, setting aperture and focusing manually is how you took pictures 30 years ago before everything was digital (we are SO LAZY in this generation!). On the plus side, you actually learn how to set aperture and select what YOU want in focus (not necessarily what Auto thinks should be in focus), and this knowledge and experience will make you a better photographer at the end of the day in my opinion. That being said, this is admittedly not for everyone. I love tinkering and getting interesting pictures for my effort, learning by trial-and-error how optics work. I also don't like spending a lot of money. :) Other people want to hit the shutter button and not know or care what is going on internally. If you are the latter type of person, I'd recommend ONLY going with native lenses for your NEX.

If you are still following me and haven't been scared off yet, the adapters for vintage lens types are dirt cheap, as there is no glass or electronics to interface with. They are simply a piece of plastic and metal that holds the lens in place, at the appropriate distance from the sensor. Since each type of SLR camera has a certain amount of distance from the lens to the film (or sensor, in the modern digital era), an appropriately sized adapter is necessary for each type of camera mount to be adapted. But the biggest advantage to mirrorless in this regard, is that some types of old lenses which are not compatible with modern DSLRs are very much compatible with  yours. Best example of this is Canon FD lenses.
A 50mm F/1.4 was one of the most popular and commons lenses back in the day of shooting on film. A modern equivalent is usually $300-400. A vintage Nikon is about $120, and a Canon FD is about $50. Throw that on a cheap adapter (You can get nice ones with solid build quality like a tank, but I usually just go for the cheapos from brand "Fotodiox", street price about $20), and you have some excellent optics on the cheap.

Sometimes you can find them going for even less, mostly people old photographers find them useless now. Like this 135mm F/2.8, which I picked up for $7. Here's a test shot I took with it:
(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g205/mnrgilden/467852_10151462658250254_1893422859_o_zpsc6429b62.jpg)

Not the most interesting picture, but I wanted to see how much flaring (if any) would happen on points of reflected afternoon sunlight. Seems pretty solid for less than $10!

And while we're at it, here's an example of why actually like manually focusing sometimes:
(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g205/mnrgilden/IMG_0016.jpg)

I wanted to capture the baby's expression watching her mother eat. A modern autofocus camera would have locked on her mother's hand as subject of the shot, and likely ruined it. While automatic features are wonderful to have, being a manual camera operator gives you some freedom of artistic expression as well. Oh, and can save you a TON of money. :)

I hope this is somewhat helpful, let me know if you'd like to know more!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Centro on December 22, 2013, 11:44:47 PM
Any opinions on buying used lenses on eBay?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on December 23, 2013, 12:00:22 AM
Any opinions on buying used lenses on eBay?

Like everything else on ebay, proceed with caution.
There are some real great deals to be found there (such as that 135 f/2.8 I mentioned above), but I've also gotten some duds from there (fungus on the lens, cracked housing, etc). Thankfully, in those cases I was able to return the lens as "item differs from description" and get my money back.

I've gotten some great deals form KEH.com, though. A particular zoom I was looking for was actually cheaper there than I could find on ebay, and they are a great company that stands behind their products. I actually had a problem focusing on a lens I bought from them (infinity focus was not working properly), they sent a replacement ASAP along with a free return shipping box for the faulty one. Couldn't have been more pleased with them.

Other great options for used gear is the B&H shop (and I think Adorama has as well). If you're near the city, you can actually go check it out before you buy it. And if you end up not liking it, they have an excellent return policy. I've bought a couple of lenses from them for this very reason.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Centro on December 23, 2013, 12:03:51 AM
Like everything else on ebay, proceed with caution.
There are some real great deals to be found there (such as that 135 f/2.8 I mentioned above), but I've also gotten some duds from there (fungus on the lens, cracked housing, etc). Thankfully, in those cases I was able to return the lens as "item differs from description" and get my money back.

I've gotten some great deals form KEH.com, though. A particular zoom I was looking for was actually cheaper there than I could find on ebay, and they are a great company that stands behind their products. I actually had a problem focusing on a lens I bought from them (infinity focus was not working properly), they sent a replacement ASAP along with a free return shipping box for the faulty one. Couldn't have been more pleased with them.

Other great options for used gear is the B&H shop (and I think Adorama has as well). If you're near the city, you can actually go check it out before you buy it. And if you end up not liking it, they have an excellent return policy. I've bought a couple of lenses from them for this very reason.
Tx for the response.

I guess B&H would be a good and trusted source.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: noturbizniss on December 23, 2013, 08:57:21 AM


Other great options for used gear is the B&H shop (and I think Adorama has as well). If you're near the city, you can actually go check it out before you buy it. And if you end up not liking it, they have an excellent return policy. I've bought a couple of lenses from them for this very reason.
The used stuff is in the regular store?
Methinks a detour is on store on my way home one day.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 23, 2013, 09:39:11 AM
The used stuff is in the regular store?
Methinks a detour is on store on my way home one day.

Regular store, second floor, right in front of the escalators.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Centro on December 24, 2013, 03:21:12 AM
I found the Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II Lens at B&H (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/12142-GREY) for $99,
I think it's cheaper then on any other site.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on December 24, 2013, 09:07:44 AM
I found the Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II Lens at B&H (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/12142-GREY) for $99,
I think it's cheaper then on any other site.

That's actually about average for that lens. On the street, we call that the "thrifty fifty", and its usually about $100, give or take. I think I paid $98 for mine. :)

But I'd give B&H the business anyway. They're good people.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Centro on December 24, 2013, 10:41:10 AM
That's actually about average for that lens. On the street, we call that the "thrifty fifty", and its usually about $100, give or take. I think I paid $98 for mine. :)

But I'd give B&H the business anyway. They're good people.
Well Adorama J&R and B&H (usually) charge $110, where do you find better deals?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on December 24, 2013, 11:01:42 AM
Well Adorama J&R and B&H (usually) charge $110, where do you find better deals?

By waiting for a sale. Prices fluctuate a lot around this time of year, but I bought one of those from Amazon a while back for $98, and there's one on Adorama right now for $89 (but I think that one is a refurb). When folks discuss this lens on the forums I moderate, it is sometimes referred to as the $100 special (also known as the thrifty fifty, nifty fifty, or sometimes "plastic fantastic", since it tends to be rather cheap in build quality).
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Centro on December 24, 2013, 11:27:49 AM
By waiting for a sale. Prices fluctuate a lot around this time of year, but I bought one of those from Amazon a while back for $98, and there's one on Adorama right now for $89 (but I think that one is a refurb ).

When folks discuss this lens on the forums I moderate, it is sometimes referred to as the $100 special (also known as the thrifty fifty, nifty fifty, or sometimes "plastic fantastic", since it tends to be rather cheap in build quality).
But from what I read this should be a decent prime lens (at least for a beginner).

What telephoto lens would you recommend for a beginner in the $150-$200 range (or they're all not worth it?)?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on December 24, 2013, 11:44:49 AM
But from what I read this should be a decent prime lens (at least for a beginner).

What telephoto lens would you recommend for a beginner in the $150-$200 range (or they're all not worth it?)?

I'm into vintage (as I mentioned above), which you can easily get in that price range (I have a nice Nikon 75-150 with a constant aperture for $99), but it comes along with the caveats of a non-native lens.

Anything native that is good will cost a bit more than that. There's a wonderful 85mm F/1.8 ultrasonic that I use occasionally, I think it goes for around $350. The 50mm is really the only one that is so cheap!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: noturbizniss on December 26, 2013, 05:05:05 PM
This (http://www.amazon.com/Dolica-GX600B200-Proline-60-Inch-Aluminum/dp/B004XC3GWU/ref=sr_1_7?s=photo&ie=UTF8&qid=1387346515&sr=1-7&keywords=carbon+fiber+tripod) tripod and this (http://www.amazon.com/Davis-Sanford-VOYAGERLTB-Voyager-Tripod/dp/B002W0N7VA/ref=sr_1_12?s=photo&ie=UTF8&qid=1387346515&sr=1-12&keywords=carbon+fiber+tripod) one seem quite nice.


How about this  (http://www.amazon.com/Dolica-TX570B150SL-Compact-Tripod-Professional/dp/B009YE462G/ref=br_lf_m_8198419011_1_6_ttl?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&s=photo&pf_rd_p=1709083302&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_i=8198419011&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1863YEHG4FBRJ1PZXJVG)one on amazon gold box today for 59.99? worth the extra $$$ over the two you linked above?

edited link - was wrong one
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on December 26, 2013, 07:38:10 PM
How about this  (http://www.amazon.com/Dolica-TX570B150SL-Compact-Tripod-Professional/dp/B009YE462G/ref=br_lf_m_8198419011_1_6_ttl?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&s=photo&pf_rd_p=1709083302&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_i=8198419011&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1863YEHG4FBRJ1PZXJVG)one on amazon gold box today for 59.99? worth the extra $$$ over the two you linked above?

edited link - was wrong one
I believe that's the one I got from Costco.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 26, 2013, 08:20:51 PM
I believe that's the one I got from Costco.

Looks like it.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: noturbizniss on December 27, 2013, 08:04:55 AM
Thoughts on tiffen Polarizing and uv filters, and getting a 77mm of each along with step up rings?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 27, 2013, 08:18:50 AM
Thoughts on tiffen Polarizing and uv filters, and getting a 77mm of each along with step up rings?

What lenses?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: noturbizniss on December 27, 2013, 08:34:29 AM
What lenses?
Canon ef 18-55, 70-300,& 50 f/1.8.
Figured I'd get the 52-77 for the 50 and 58-77 fir the others. This way if I ever get other lenses with different thread sizes I can just get the cheaper runso instead of new filters and interchange them.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 27, 2013, 09:38:42 AM
Canon ef 18-55, 70-300,& 50 f/1.8.
Figured I'd get the 52-77 for the 50 and 58-77 fir the others. This way if I ever get other lenses with different thread sizes I can just get the cheaper runso instead of new filters and interchange them.

1) UV filters (if used) should stay on the lens at all time, so you'd need one for each lens in the correct size.

2) Larger filters are more expensive, so the savings may not be as big as you expect.

3) You won't be able to use a SUR and a lens hood at the same time. That's a major liability in my book.

Basically it'll work, but it's not necessarily a good idea.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: noturbizniss on December 27, 2013, 11:17:20 AM
1) UV filters (if used) should stay on the lens at all time, so you'd need one for each lens in the correct size.

2) Larger filters are more expensive, so the savings may not be as big as you expect.

3) You won't be able to use a SUR and a lens hood at the same time. That's a major liability in my book.

Basically it'll work, but it's not necessarily a good idea.

Thanks.
I'd have to take off the uv filter to use the polarizer?
I see different hoods some are like flowers and done are a tube. Is one better overall or better fur zoom vs prime?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 27, 2013, 11:23:08 AM
Thanks.
I'd have to take off the uv filter to use the polarizer?
I see different hoods some are like flowers and done are a tube. Is one better overall or better fur zoom vs prime?

You could stack the filters if you want.

The goal of a hood is to extend as far or as possible without getting into your shot. The reason and are flower, shaped is so that they don't show up in the corners of the picture. You should get the longest available, if possible.

As far as primes, they'll usually have tube-style hoods, since the hood just has to match one focal length. With a zoom, the wider you go, the shorter the hood had to get, so they'd usually have petals to accommodate the widest setting.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: noturbizniss on December 27, 2013, 11:31:48 AM
You could stack the filters if you want.

The goal of a hood is to extend as far or as possible without getting into your shot. The reason and are flower, shaped is so that they don't show up in the corners of the picture. You should get the longest available, if possible.

As far as primes, they'll usually have tube-style hoods, since the hood just has to match one focal length. With a zoom, the wider you go, the shorter the hood had to get, so they'd usually have petals to accommodate the widest setting.
So I could have the uv filter and polarizer and hood on all at once?
Generally, I can keep the uv filter on and put the lens cap on as well.
Do the hoods reverse so they stay on the lens in my bag or must they come off?
Thanks for answering all my n00b questions so kindly and quickly.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 27, 2013, 11:38:43 AM
So I could have the uv filter and polarizer and hood on all at once?
Generally, I can keep the uv filter on and put the lens cap on as well.
Do the hoods reverse so they stay on the lens in my bag or must they come off?
Thanks for answering all my n00b questions so kindly and quickly.

Correct on all counts, and you're welcome ;).
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: chai_forever on December 29, 2013, 01:48:36 PM
But the biggest advantage to mirrorless in this regard, is that some types of old lenses which are not compatible with modern DSLRs are very much compatible with  yours. Best example of this is Canon FD lenses. !
Is there any reason that the Canon FDs are better than any other vintage lens i.e. Minolta MD rokkor x? I'm specifically looking at prime 50mm either f1.4 or 1.7/8. Thanks!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: noturbizniss on December 29, 2013, 05:50:49 PM
Brand batteries vs after markets for a spare?
This one (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006Y0YZZ6/ref=oh_details_o02_s01_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) seems to have very good reviews for aftermarket...
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 29, 2013, 05:54:55 PM
Brand batteries vs after markets for a spare?
This one (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006Y0YZZ6/ref=oh_details_o02_s01_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) seems to have very good reviews for aftermarket...

Never used them but the reviews seem great.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: noturbizniss on December 29, 2013, 06:41:49 PM
Never used them but the reviews seem great.

So not opposed?

On a different note, anyone have a quick summary of (or a link to) the difference betwean photoshop cs6, cc, lighthouse, elements and aperture? 
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 29, 2013, 06:53:41 PM
So not opposed?

On a different note, anyone have a quick summary of (or a link to) the difference betwean photoshop cs6, cc, lighthouse, elements and aperture?

The battery looks nice.

- Photoshop: Full, extremely powerful program. Photography is just a part of it; there's also 3D, video, and many many other applications.
- Elements: Pared-down version of Photoshop. More geared toward consumer photography. Chances are it'll do everything you'd ever need.
- Lightroom: This is complimentary to Photoshop, but could easily be used without it. This is more of an organizational tool, with most of its power lying in the Library module. The Develop module is where you'd edit pictures, and is identical to ACR, which is part of Photoshop.
- Aperture: Basically the Apple take on Loghtroom.

So - if you have crazy numbers of photos to edit (i.e. you shoot in RAW, and often, Lightroom is probably best. You'd only use Photoshop (or elements) when you need some heavy editing on a picture here and there.

Also note that Photoshop includes Bridge, which is sorta kinda like Lightroom organization-wise, but not as fast or powerful.

You could get a Photoshop and Lightroom package at $10 a month now, which is a great deal.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on December 29, 2013, 08:03:11 PM
Is there any reason that the Canon FDs are better than any other vintage lens i.e. Minolta MD rokkor x? I'm specifically looking at prime 50mm either f1.4 or 1.7/8. Thanks!

The Minolta MDs are nice too, as are the vintage Nikkors and quite a few others. I singled out FD because they are incompatible with most modern mount types (due to flange distance), and therefore are cheaper to buy on second hand markets. An old time photographer with a collection of vintage Nikkors can keep his investment on a modern Nikon camera (and even a modern EOS with an adapter), but its very likely to find someone with a closet full of FDs that are useless to him now.

That's why the FD 50mm f/1.4 can be found for $50, whereas the Nikon of the same class and year is at least double the price.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: noturbizniss on December 31, 2013, 12:05:30 AM
70-300 is definitely worth $50 more than the 55-250.
Looking again at eBay I can probably save 150+ by selling the 70-300 and getting the 55-250. Id only do it if there was something worth the 150. I saw side firms where people said to get the 55-250mm and get a flash with the savings. Is IQ equivalent? As an amateur just getting started im not sure if the extra 50mm is something id need, or if a flash is better. I do take alot if indoor pictures for what it's worth.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: noturbizniss on January 01, 2014, 09:58:08 AM
You could get a Yongnuo YN468-II on Ebay for under $100 new. It does just about everything a Nikon does. You could even get theYN460-II for about $50 - it'll give you all the basics (TTL,  slave, etc.).
How does the 468II compare to the 500ex  (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yongnuo-YN-500EX-Flash-Speedlite-Wireless-Slave-TTL-with-HSS-1-8000-for-Canon-/151014208534?pt=Digital_Camera_Flashes&hash=item232925f416)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on January 01, 2014, 12:07:57 PM
How does the 468II compare to the 500ex  (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yongnuo-YN-500EX-Flash-Speedlite-Wireless-Slave-TTL-with-HSS-1-8000-for-Canon-/151014208534?pt=Digital_Camera_Flashes&hash=item232925f416)

It's the same concept as differences between the Canon 430 and 600, or the Nikon 700 and 910 - a lower end flash vs. a higher end one.

Some key benefits of the 500 over the 468:
- More power
- Better build (supposedly)
- Better zoom range
- PC sync socket
- Wireless TTL slave
- High speed sync (this is a vital feature - it lets you sue the flash past 1/200th (or 1/250th) shutter speed, meaning (on a basic level) that you could use it outdoors in bright light properly.)
- Better, bigger LCD
- More buttons, so easier to change settings.

It'll also be bigger and heavier.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: noturbizniss on January 01, 2014, 12:24:16 PM
It's the same concept as differences between the Canon 430 and 600, or the Nikon 700 and 910 - a lower end flash vs. a higher end one.

Some key benefits of the 500 over the 468:
- More power
- Better build (supposedly)
- Better zoom range
- PC sync socket
- Wireless TTL slave
- High speed sync (this is a vital feature - it lets you sue the flash past 1/200th (or 1/250th) shutter speed, meaning (on a basic level) that you could use it outdoors in bright light properly.)
- Better, bigger LCD
- More buttons, so easier to change settings.

It'll also be bigger and heavier.
Thanks.  According to the ebay listings it's only 20g more (about 3/4 oz), so only low side is it costs more :-)
How does short flash in bright daylight improve the picture quality?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on January 01, 2014, 02:19:37 PM
How does short flash in bright daylight improve the picture quality?

First of all it's not a 'short flash', it's using the flash during a short exposure. There's a huge and very boring technical difference ;D.

Now - the answer to to your question is long and complicated, so let me just give you a quick example here.

For this portrait shoot I was shooting into the sun, meaning that the sun was in front of me but behind my subjects. Doing that gave me the beautiful 'rim lighting' you see on the hats and hair, but this also means that there would be a serious contrast issue on the portrait. As you can see in the first picture, the entire family has this darkish, greyish, flat look.

How could this be fixed? Extremely simply - use flash. That will throw just the right amount of light onto the subjects from the front (or side), lighting them properly and adding beautiful contrast.

However, there's a problem. Since this is shot outside at the end of the day, it's quite bright out, which means that I'm using a very fast shutter speed. Problem is, the fastest a regular flash could sync up to a camera (meaning it would actually flash while the shutter is open and the picture is being taken), is 1/200th of a second (some cameras are a drop faster). That means that if my shutter is faster than that, I won't be able to use flash.

However, with a flash capable of high speed sync, you could use flash at far faster shutter speeds than that - typically up to 1/8000th of a second. This will allow you to use a flash outdoors in bright light, no matter what your shutter speed is.

For the second picture, I used an HSS capable flash, and so was able to create a great portrait even with the challenging lighting conditions.

You'll also notice that the second picture has more 'warmth' to it - the light on the family looks like golden sunset light. That's because I tweaked the color of the flash output using a 1/8 cut of CTO gel. This is the subject for an entire lesson, but basically it means that you could modify the color by using cheap pieces of plastic taped over the flash. This is sometimes very desirable outdoors, and could really only be used to its full potential if you have HSS.

No flash, or flash with no HSS:
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7322/11691328913_ecacf05ec5_b.jpg) (http://flickr.com/gp/morrishersko/r3k40h)

Flash using HSS:
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2879/11691851436_d97039259d_b.jpg) (http://flickr.com/gp/morrishersko/79V6d4)

I'm sure you've seen a picture of someone standing in front of a scenic overlook, or a beach, or whatever, and the background looks great but the person is a silhouette. By using HSS, you're able to turn the flash on and give out just enough light to light the subject for a balanced photograph. Without HSS, this is simply not possible.

Remember that everything in this post is very oversimplified, as HSS is a complicated technical subject with plenty of limitations and workarounds. But I think that my main point is quite clear - there are many times where HSS is invaluable, even on a simple family outing, not just for professional photography.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: noturbizniss on January 02, 2014, 10:51:01 AM
First of all it's not a 'short flash', it's using the flash during a short exposure. There's a huge and very boring technical difference ;D.

Now - the answer to to your question is long and complicated, so let me just give you a quick example here.

For this portrait shoot I was shooting into the sun, meaning that the sun was in front of me but behind my subjects. Doing that gave me the beautiful 'rim lighting' you see on the hats and hair, but this also means that there would be a serious contrast issue on the portrait. As you can see in the first picture, the entire family has this darkish, greyish, flat look.

How could this be fixed? Extremely simply - use flash. That will throw just the right amount of light onto the subjects from the front (or side), lighting them properly and adding beautiful contrast.

However, there's a problem. Since this is shot outside at the end of the day, it's quite bright out, which means that I'm using a very fast shutter speed. Problem is, the fastest a regular flash could sync up to a camera (meaning it would actually flash while the shutter is open and the picture is being taken), is 1/200th of a second (some cameras are a drop faster). That means that if my shutter is faster than that, I won't be able to use flash.

However, with a flash capable of high speed sync, you could use flash at far faster shutter speeds than that - typically up to 1/8000th of a second. This will allow you to use a flash outdoors in bright light, no matter what your shutter speed is.

For the second picture, I used an HSS capable flash, and so was able to create a great portrait even with the challenging lighting conditions.

You'll also notice that the second picture has more 'warmth' to it - the light on the family looks like golden sunset light. That's because I tweaked the color of the flash output using a 1/8 cut of CTO gel. This is the subject for an entire lesson, but basically it means that you could modify the color by using cheap pieces of plastic taped over the flash. This is sometimes very desirable outdoors, and could really only be used to its full potential if you have HSS.

No flash, or flash with no HSS:
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7322/11691328913_ecacf05ec5_b.jpg) (http://flickr.com/gp/morrishersko/r3k40h)

Flash using HSS:
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2879/11691851436_d97039259d_b.jpg) (http://flickr.com/gp/morrishersko/79V6d4)

I'm sure you've seen a picture of someone standing in front of a scenic overlook, or a beach, or whatever, and the background looks great but the person is a silhouette. By using HSS, you're able to turn the flash on and give out just enough light to light the subject for a balanced photograph. Without HSS, this is simply not possible.

Remember that everything in this post is very oversimplified, as HSS is a complicated technical subject with plenty of limitations and workarounds. But I think that my main point is quite clear - there are many times where HSS is invaluable, even on a simple family outing, not just for professional photography.
Thanks for the great info, I look forward to the detailed lesson. I think i will def go due the 500ex.
That being said, any thoughts on keeping the 70-300mm lens, selling i the 70-300mm and getting the 55-250mm and saving about100-150? I know yogurt said the 70-300mm is worth at least 50 more.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on January 02, 2014, 10:59:46 AM
Thanks for the great info, I look forward to the detailed lesson. I think i will def go due the 500ex.
That being said, any thoughts on keeping the 70-300mm lens, selling i the 70-300mm and getting the 55-250mm and saving about100-150? I know yogurt said the 70-300mm is worth at least 50 more.

The 70-300 is sharper, had better range, and is full frame.

You have to see if that's worth $150 to you.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mocha on January 02, 2014, 11:07:07 AM
Going to on a few trips coming up and just wanted to know if it is worth lugging around a canon rebel eos xti or just get buy a simple point and shoot?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on January 02, 2014, 11:08:11 AM
The 70-300 is sharper, had better range, and is full frame.

You have to see if that's worth $150 to you.
How about the 55-250mm vs the 75-300mm USM?
I know the 55 has IS and the 75 does not, other than that (and the range) what are the pros/cons?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: noturbizniss on January 02, 2014, 11:08:31 AM
The 70-300 is sharper, had better range, and is full frame.

You have to see if that's worth $150 to you.
Is full frame a consideration given that I have an aps-c sensor now, or only if I have our may get a full frame sensor?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on January 02, 2014, 11:17:43 AM
How about the 55-250mm vs the 75-300mm USM?
I know the 55 has IS and the 75 does not, other than that (and the range) what are the pros/cons?

55-250 has better elements, plus a much closer minimum focusing distance (with the 75-300 you have to be at least 5 feet away in order to focus).

And of course IS, which is tremendously important on a long, slow lens like this.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on January 02, 2014, 11:20:36 AM
Is full frame a consideration given that I have an aps-c sensor now, or only if I have our may get a full frame sensor?

1) Since lenses are sharper in the center, and APS-C uses only the center of this lens, you have potentially sharper pictures.

2) Better resale value

Other than that of course if you upgrade you're golden, but for now that's pretty much that.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Nitantnel on January 02, 2014, 11:27:21 AM
Don't want to start a new thread for this:

My canon elph's lens will not close -- no idea how my kid managed to pull this off :)

Is is gone, or is there something I can do to fix it?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on January 02, 2014, 11:31:28 AM
Don't want to start a new thread for this:

My canon elph's lens will not close -- no idea how my kid managed to pull this off :)

Is is gone, or is there something I can do to fix it?

Ah - the dreaded erectile dysfunction :(.

Sorry man - new camera for you. It'll cost you more than that to fix it.

And btw, your kids probably dropped or bumped it with the lens extended. #1 cause of death for P&Ss.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Nitantnel on January 02, 2014, 11:33:27 AM
Ah - the dreaded erectile dysfunction :)).

Sorry man - new camera for you. It'll cost you more to fix it.

And btw, your kids probably dropped or bumped it with the lens extended. #1 cause of death for P&Ss.

OK, thanks.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on January 02, 2014, 11:34:56 AM
What's your opinion on used (or in this case refurbished) lenses?
I think I should go for this one (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/740776-REF/Canon_2044B009AA_EF_S_55_250mm_f_4_5_6_IS.html), it's only a few dollars more than I paid for my 75-300...
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on January 02, 2014, 11:38:57 AM
What's your opinion on used (or in this case refurbished) lenses?
I think I should go for this one (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/740776-REF/Canon_2044B009AA_EF_S_55_250mm_f_4_5_6_IS.html), it's only a few dollars more than I paid for my 75-300...

Would not hesitate on used, and especially not on refurbs.

1) Use only a reputable seller (B&H, Adorama, KEH, ebay with lots of good reviews, etc.)
2) Make sure there's a good return policy just in case.
3) Try it out beforehand, if possible (used only).
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mocha on January 02, 2014, 11:41:05 AM
Going to on a few trips coming up and just wanted to know if it is worth lugging around a canon rebel eos xti or just get buy a simple point and shoot?
Anyone? Going to Israel/LA/HNL. Are pictures that much better that I'd notice a significant difference? I don't know much about photography.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on January 02, 2014, 11:44:16 AM
Anyone? Going to Israel/LA/HNL. Are pictures that much better that I'd notice a significant difference? I don't know much about photography.

Well you see a significant difference? Very definitely. Is it with the shlep? It's your back and your decision...

You should consider mirrorless - DSLR quality and (largeish) point and shoot size.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on January 02, 2014, 11:44:47 AM
Anyone? Going to Israel/LA/HNL. Are pictures that much better that I'd notice a significant difference? I don't know much about photography.

In case I ever get any doubts about investing in my new camera and taking this trip, all I need to do is compare my picture below with this one from Fishy's Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/morrishersko/4184055568).
:)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mocha on January 02, 2014, 11:45:35 AM
Well you see a significant difference? Very definitely. Is it with the shlep? It's your back and your decision...

You should consider mirrorless - DSLR quality and (largeish) point and shoot size.
ok thanks maybe ill just drag it with me. (already can get my hands on a canon rebel eos xti)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: noturbizniss on January 02, 2014, 01:04:04 PM
1) Since lenses are sharper in the center, and APS-C uses only the center of this lens, you have potentially sharper pictures.

2) Better resale value

Other than that of course if you upgrade you're golden, but for now that's pretty much that.

Thanks!

If/When there's a photography DO in the NY area I can get to, a drink is definitely on the menu for you.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Nitantnel on January 02, 2014, 11:13:31 PM
Ah - the dreaded erectile dysfunction :(.

Sorry man - new camera for you. It'll cost you more than that to fix it.

And btw, your kids probably dropped or bumped it with the lens extended. #1 cause of death for P&Ss.


Just to make sure, that it's indeed a dysfunction -- it's definitely erectile  ;)

I get this message:
Lens error
Will shut down automatically
Restart camera


Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: puddles on January 03, 2014, 09:00:32 AM
Hey All! Trying to find a DSLR for my sister in law. She definitely doesn't want a point and shoot? She is a 15 year old girl that has been saving money from babysitting and really wants to get into photography.
Can you guys advise on what Camera you think would be best for her? Budget is ~$500
TIA
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on January 03, 2014, 09:03:24 AM
Hey All! Trying to find a DSLR for my sister in law. She definitely doesn't want a point and shoot? She is a 15 year old girl that has been saving money from babysitting and really wants to get into photography.
Can you guys advise on what Camera you think would be best for her? Budget is ~$500
TIA

I'd go with a low end Canon SLR. You can buy a refurbished one from Canon.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: puddles on January 03, 2014, 09:29:05 AM
How does this one look? Dont see it in the refurbished store...
http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/slr_cameras/eos_rebel_t3_18_55mm_is_ii_lens_kit
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on January 06, 2014, 03:40:46 PM
Just to make sure, that it's indeed a dysfunction -- it's definitely erectile  ;)

I get this message:
Lens error
Will shut down automatically
Restart camera




I had a powershot that my daughter did that to. It was a mechanical error, and as Fishy said, will likely be more expensive to send it to fix than it is work. Thankfully however, you have 2 options:
1) In some cases, I managed to sort of make my old powershot work by forcing the lens. Something was stuck in the gears and it would cause the motor to seize, but I'm not someone who is afraid of taking a screwdriver to it. Eventually I got it working, but at the cost of the little shutters that cover the lens when retracted. They got stuck, so when fullt extended, I was taking pictures through a horizontal slit unless you physically pushed them aside with your fingers. Not ideal, but great for a little girl who will probably break the next camera I let her use anyway. ;)

2) I can't stress this enough, check out the Canon Loyalty Program. Best kept secret in photography purchasing. If you trade in your broken camera, they will give you an excellent deal on another one, to keep you in the Canon family. Do a google search on it, or call (866) 443 8002, select Option 2.
Hey All! Trying to find a DSLR for my sister in law. She definitely doesn't want a point and shoot? She is a 15 year old girl that has been saving money from babysitting and really wants to get into photography.
Can you guys advise on what Camera you think would be best for her? Budget is ~$500
TIA

A couple of ways to go at this. First thing I'd advise is the program I mentioned above- if you don't have a Canon camera to trade in, find a broken one! I once bought a broken powershot for $5 on ebay to be eligible for the program. You can then get cheap DSLRs from their inventory, which changes all the time. Last I checked (half a year ago), you could get a T2i (body only) for 268.79, or with a kit lens 18-55 IS for 313.59.

Excellent starter camera on the cheap, and can easily lead to bigger and more pro-level cameras and lenses in the future. They might even still have the T1i for less, and all of them are better options than the T3 (sans the i).

The other option, depending on how technical she is, is to get a mirrorless camera like the Olympus E-PL1. You can find them refurbished for $120 (body only), then get an adapter and play with vintage lenses like a Canon FD 50mm F/1.4 for $60. She will have to learn how aperture and exposure works, and focus manually, which is not necessarily easy for a beginner. But its a wonderful learning experience and she will be able to potentially take far more interesting pictures with that combo than the DSLR + kit mentioned above.

Its all about how much you want to "learn" versus just do. The Canon kit will cost more, but she won't have to understand how/why any of it works and can start taking pictures right away. If she wants to understand and tinker, the manual approach is a steal at that price. I helped a friend put together a cheap kit with an Olympus and a 50mm f/1.8 OM lens and adapter, the entirety of which cost him $170. He then ended up taking some pictures of the Siyum Hashas that were submitted and I think even printed in some magazines. But it could also potentially be extremely frustrating for someone who just wants to press the shutter and have some magic happen. Just throwing this out there as an option, it may not be the right one for her.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Nitantnel on January 06, 2014, 07:55:11 PM
I had a powershot that my daughter did that to. It was a mechanical error, and as Fishy said, will likely be more expensive to send it to fix than it is work. Thankfully however, you have 2 options:
1) In some cases, I managed to sort of make my old powershot work by forcing the lens. Something was stuck in the gears and it would cause the motor to seize, but I'm not someone who is afraid of taking a screwdriver to it. Eventually I got it working, but at the cost of the little shutters that cover the lens when retracted. They got stuck, so when fullt extended, I was taking pictures through a horizontal slit unless you physically pushed them aside with your fingers. Not ideal, but great for a little girl who will probably break the next camera I let her use anyway. ;)

2) I can't stress this enough, check out the Canon Loyalty Program. Best kept secret in photography purchasing. If you trade in your broken camera, they will give you an excellent deal on another one, to keep you in the Canon family. Do a google search on it, or call (866) 443 8002, select Option 2.
A couple of ways to go at this. First thing I'd advise is the program I mentioned above- if you don't have a Canon camera to trade in, find a broken one! I once bought a broken powershot for $5 on ebay to be eligible for the program. You can then get cheap DSLRs from their inventory, which changes all the time. Last I checked (half a year ago), you could get a T2i (body only) for 268.79, or with a kit lens 18-55 IS for 313.59.

Excellent starter camera on the cheap, and can easily lead to bigger and more pro-level cameras and lenses in the future. They might even still have the T1i for less, and all of them are better options than the T3 (sans the i).

The other option, depending on how technical she is, is to get a mirrorless camera like the Olympus E-PL1. You can find them refurbished for $120 (body only), then get an adapter and play with vintage lenses like a Canon FD 50mm F/1.4 for $60. She will have to learn how aperture and exposure works, and focus manually, which is not necessarily easy for a beginner. But its a wonderful learning experience and she will be able to potentially take far more interesting pictures with that combo than the DSLR + kit mentioned above.

Its all about how much you want to "learn" versus just do. The Canon kit will cost more, but she won't have to understand how/why any of it works and can start taking pictures right away. If she wants to understand and tinker, the manual approach is a steal at that price. I helped a friend put together a cheap kit with an Olympus and a 50mm f/1.8 OM lens and adapter, the entirety of which cost him $170. He then ended up taking some pictures of the Siyum Hashas that were submitted and I think even printed in some magazines. But it could also potentially be extremely frustrating for someone who just wants to press the shutter and have some magic happen. Just throwing this out there as an option, it may not be the right one for her.

Thanks, we'll try that out.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: noturbizniss on January 09, 2014, 09:22:05 AM
So apparently the 70-300mm Canon I got with my camera was not the version eligible for a rebate (the L version is the one), and I'm deciding if u should return it and get a different lens or different brand. I paid about 530 for it. My choices are (and I'm open to other ideas) the 55-250mm, I can probably get a decent price on ebay, even new, or a tamron http://www.tamron.com/en/photolens/di_telephoto/a005.html (http://www.tamron.com/en/photolens/di_telephoto/a005.html) or Sigma 70-300mm.
For Sigma I see 3 versions, 2 macros, http://www.sigmaphoto.com/product/70-300mm-f4-56-apo-dg-macro (http://www.sigmaphoto.com/product/70-300mm-f4-56-apo-dg-macro) or http://www.sigmaphoto.com/product/70-300mm-f4-56-dg-macro (http://www.sigmaphoto.com/product/70-300mm-f4-56-dg-macro) or an optical stabilized lens http://www.sigmaphoto.com/product/70-300mm-f4-56-dg-os (http://www.sigmaphoto.com/product/70-300mm-f4-56-dg-os). The macro interests me, but I'm not sure if the os id something much more useful than the curiosity of macro, since most shots will be my family and kids as opposed to nature.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: avadah on January 09, 2014, 04:51:40 PM
Anyone familiar with the Sony hx50v? Does it tend to take blurrier pix than other cameras in not so good lighting or movement? How does it compare to dslr's?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on January 12, 2014, 11:42:28 AM
Anyone familiar with the Sony hx50v? Does it tend to take blurrier pix than other cameras in not so good lighting or movement? How does it compare to dslr's?

I don't have much experience with the Sony HX line, but the specs on that camera don't look well suited for low light in my opinion. The sensor is 1/2.3" and it seems to have a small aperture, which means it needs more light to expose correctly. Slower shutter speed = more motion blurring.
That being said, the big pros of this camera appear to be an excellent zoom, 30x optical! Most basic P&S cameras, and even the more expensive RX100 can't reach that far, and this thing fits in your pocket. It also supports 60p video recording at full 1080 resolution, which means you can record some nice slow-motion video clips with it as well.

But no, it seems not so well suited for indoor / low light photography. And at that price, if that's what you are looking for, I'd look elsewhere. But again, I'm judging based on the specs alone. The reviews on Amazon seem to agree with me though.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: chai_forever on January 14, 2014, 02:42:51 PM
Returned my NEX 3n for a few reasons. 1. Wasnt really ready for that size camera, but I thought if the pix would really sizzle then it would be worth it. They didnt really. Granted, I got some pix impossible to capture with a standard PAS but most of them were nunu. Also, most of the shooting was indoors and  I didnt really give it the full run-through in natural light, but thats where I do most of my picture taking. 2. Auto focus indoors was also not speedy or spot on. 3. The coloring had a different feel than I was used to (canon) , and although I couldve got used to it I didnt feel connected enough to the camera. 4. Ergonomics. I have biggish hands and they were really cramped after a little bit.
That intro/review was kinda for all those that cashed in on yesterdays amazong deal, but also leads me to my next question. Im obviously looking now into the advanced PAS market as Im not ready for the big leagues. The s110 gets some heavy mentioning in this forum, and Im just wondering if its just because of value or is it the best out there. The lumix lx7 is catching my attention for its optics(f1.4 leica=low light), and features, as is the nikon p330. They seem to be better built than the canon( read many lens error reviews on amazon..). Im just worried I'll have some of the same issues as the nex, biggish size, features more advanced than I am, etc. But in the 280 range they seem to be lots of camera for decent buck. Any body familiar with these cameras please weigh in. Thanks!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: jaywhy on January 14, 2014, 08:44:16 PM
SF,

I'm thinking of selling all my Canon gear and getting the Olympus OM-D E-M5 or M1.

I'e been reading some amazing reviews about these cameras. I'm really attracted to the small form factor and the image quality seems to be on par with most DSLR's. Supposedly, it is really good in low light even though the sensor is smaller than APS-C.

What are your thoughts?
In the process of selling my Canon gear. I ordered the Panasonic GX7. I was going to go for the Oly EM-1 but the Panny seemed to have most of the features I was looking for at $600 less than the EM-1. I figured that money would be better spent on glass.
Will be giving it the run through in Hawaii next week.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on January 14, 2014, 09:12:59 PM
In the process of selling my Canon gear. I ordered the Panasonic GX7. I was going to go for the Oly EM-1 but the Panny seemed to have most of the features I was looking for at $600 less than the EM-1. I figured that money would be better spent on glass.
Will be giving it the run through in Hawaii next week.

Amazing choice- I love the swivel viewfinder on that little marvel! I've been thinking of picking one up myself because of the focus peaking with manual glass (toss up between that and the cheaper G6).
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on January 14, 2014, 09:15:22 PM
Returned my NEX 3n for a few reasons. 1. Wasnt really ready for that size camera, but I thought if the pix would really sizzle then it would be worth it. They didnt really. Granted, I got some pix impossible to capture with a standard PAS but most of them were nunu. Also, most of the shooting was indoors and  I didnt really give it the full run-through in natural light, but thats where I do most of my picture taking. 2. Auto focus indoors was also not speedy or spot on. 3. The coloring had a different feel than I was used to (canon) , and although I couldve got used to it I didnt feel connected enough to the camera. 4. Ergonomics. I have biggish hands and they were really cramped after a little bit.
That intro/review was kinda for all those that cashed in on yesterdays amazong deal, but also leads me to my next question. Im obviously looking now into the advanced PAS market as Im not ready for the big leagues. The s110 gets some heavy mentioning in this forum, and Im just wondering if its just because of value or is it the best out there. The lumix lx7 is catching my attention for its optics(f1.4 leica=low light), and features, as is the nikon p330. They seem to be better built than the canon( read many lens error reviews on amazon..). Im just worried I'll have some of the same issues as the nex, biggish size, features more advanced than I am, etc. But in the 280 range they seem to be lots of camera for decent buck. Any body familiar with these cameras please weigh in. Thanks!

I don't have first hand experience with the Lx7 or the S110. They are both very respectable cameras based on specs. I always feel like you get excellent quality for the money with Canons, but that lx7 lens looks like a treat in low light. If that's the most important thing to you in a camera right now, it looks like a very strong candidate.

Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on January 14, 2014, 10:20:36 PM
Returned my NEX 3n for a few reasons. 1. Wasnt really ready for that size camera, but I thought if the pix would really sizzle then it would be worth it. They didnt really. Granted, I got some pix impossible to capture with a standard PAS but most of them were nunu. Also, most of the shooting was indoors and  I didnt really give it the full run-through in natural light, but thats where I do most of my picture taking. 2. Auto focus indoors was also not speedy or spot on. 3. The coloring had a different feel than I was used to (canon) , and although I couldve got used to it I didnt feel connected enough to the camera. 4. Ergonomics. I have biggish hands and they were really cramped after a little bit.
That intro/review was kinda for all those that cashed in on yesterdays amazong deal, but also leads me to my next question. Im obviously looking now into the advanced PAS market as Im not ready for the big leagues. The s110 gets some heavy mentioning in this forum, and Im just wondering if its just because of value or is it the best out there. The lumix lx7 is catching my attention for its optics(f1.4 leica=low light), and features, as is the nikon p330. They seem to be better built than the canon( read many lens error reviews on amazon..). Im just worried I'll have some of the same issues as the nex, biggish size, features more advanced than I am, etc. But in the 280 range they seem to be lots of camera for decent buck. Any body familiar with these cameras please weigh in. Thanks!

None of the problems you had with the 3n will be solved with a P&S; in fact they'd become worse.

- Autofocus will be far slower on any P&S compared to the 3n.
- The coloring issue you mention is the white balance. Canon tends to warm everything up a bit (slightly more yellow), while most everyone else tries to keep it more realistic. So unless you get a Canon P&S, that issue won't be solved. But that's all tangential, since with most advanced cameras (I didn't check the 3n specifically) you could set a custom WB shift which would allow you to match the camera to what you're used to with Canon.
- Ergonomics? The bigger the camera the more comfortable and steady it feels, which is why there's an entire industry built around adding grips and such to your camera. Moving down in size will not help at all in the ergonomics department.
- An advanced P&S will have basically the same controls as a mirrorless (albeit harder to use due to less buttons and dials), save for interchangeable lenses. If your mirrorless was too advanced for you, so will the S110, LX7, et al. If you feel overwhelmed by any camera simply keep it in full auto mode; you won't be able to mess up the picture even if you tried. If and when you start getting more comfortable, then you could start exploring all the advanced features it offers you.

Overall, looking at what you didn't like about your 3n it seems to me that what you want is a DSLR. Blazing fast focus, awesome ergonomics, full color control (as well as set-it-and-forget-it), and a 100% idiot-proof auto mode. But of course, if size is a major issue (as you mentioned), all that is out the window.

But my basic point is that I can't see how a P&S is gonna solve the issues you had with the 3n, other than being smaller.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: jaywhy on January 14, 2014, 10:21:30 PM
Amazing choice- I love the swivel viewfinder on that little marvel! I've been thinking of picking one up myself because of the focus peaking with manual glass (toss up between that and the cheaper G6).
Thanks. The reviews rate it very highly.
The only thing I'm concerned about is the built in IS. The EM-1 has a 5 axis system that gives 3-4 extra stops IRL. GX7 is 2 axis and only gives one stop although it can be combined with IS built into the glass for a bit more.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on January 14, 2014, 10:56:05 PM
Having got my Canon Rebel t3I recently I enjoy playing around with the 2 different set of lens that the camera came with. Is it bad for the camera to keep on switching back and forth between the 2 in my home? And what would you do outdoors where there may be dust? Not the case now but will be once I figure out the camera.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on January 14, 2014, 11:20:32 PM
Having got my Canon Rebel t3I recently I enjoy playing around with the 2 different set of lens that the camera came with. Is it bad for the camera to keep on switching back and forth between the 2 in my home? And what would you do outdoors where there may be dust? Not the case now but will be once I figure out the camera.

Nothing's bad with changing lenses per se, the problem is that every time you take the lens off you allow dust and other particles to potentially enter your camera. With a few basic tips you can greatly reduce possible dust issues:

- Don't change lenses just because. If you have a reason, go for it, but the less you take them off the less chances dust has of getting in.
- Always change lenses with the camera facing downward. That way floating particles won't settle inside easily.
- Keep the camera uncovered for as little time as possible. A lens change shouldn't take more than 3-5 seconds.
- Use a rocket blower periodically. Be careful not to touch the inside of the camera with it. Again, point your camera downward so that loosened particles should fall out instead of landing right where they came from.
- If your camera has a dust-reduction or sensor cleaning feature, use it and use it often (duh!).
- And the most important thing - the cleaner the environment, the cleaner your camera. Don't change lenses in very dusty places, fog, etc.

Remember that most cameras eventually get dust in them. Usually they're pretty much undetectable, sometimes they show up in your pictures, and sometimes they get so bad that you'd have to give the sensor a full-on wet cleaning (or send it out to get done). 
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on January 14, 2014, 11:24:31 PM
Thanks for the quick lesson. Now I know what the sensor cleaner on my camera is. I get the message when I turn it off and was curious what it was. Rocket blower, I admit I had to google that one  :).

When you are out in foggy conditions you are stuck with what's on your camera? What do you do in the rain? I recall killing a good P and S in Alaska when our boat found a pod of orca's in the rain.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on January 15, 2014, 12:06:05 AM
Thanks for the quick lesson. Now I know what the sensor cleaner on my camera is. I get the message when I turn it off and was curious what it was. Rocket blower, I admit I had to google that one  :).

When you are out in foggy conditions you are stuck with what's on your camera? What do you do in the rain? I recall killing a good P and S in Alaska when our boat found a pod of orca's in the rain.

A little rain won't hurt your camera. Keep it pointed downwards, cover it with your jacket, make it fast and you should be fine. But use common sense; a water drop on your sensor will require a wet cleaning to remove. If you suspect the weather is too bad, it probably is.

Fog is tough. Even a bit of exposure could cause condensation on your sensor... I would definitely avoid changing lenses in fog. Get in your car or out of the weather to do it.

Incidentally, this is one of the main reasons pros carry two bodies, one with a long lens and one with a short one. Besides for speed, it lets them avoid changing lenses in unfavorable environments.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on January 15, 2014, 05:37:35 PM
Whew, welcome back Fishy. For a moment there I thought you had left me to handle answering alone. :)

I'm not sure I'd agree with the assessment of the DSLR solving all of Chai_forever's problems with the Nex3n. It sounds like she wants something with a faster lens. Either a P&S with a built in F/2 or wider, or perhaps a pancake NEX prime would improve her shots without needing to go full on DSLR.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on January 15, 2014, 06:23:49 PM
Whew, welcome back Fishy. For a moment there I thought you had left me to handle answering alone. :)

I'm not sure I'd agree with the assessment of the DSLR solving all of Chai_forever's problems with the Nex3n. It sounds like she wants something with a faster lens. Either a P&S with a built in F/2 or wider, or perhaps a pancake NEX prime would improve her shots without needing to go full on DSLR.

Don't worry, I'll never pass up a chance the argue with you ;)... I was just far too busy these last couple of days. (You just wait till I have time to respond to your last couple of posts in the Learn Photography thread; I have some - shall we say - different opinions :D:D:D)

In any case, please oh please tell me how a faster lens will solve any of Chai's issues. How would it help ergonomics? Color? Make him feel less overwhelmed?

The only thing it might do is enable somewhat faster AF due to more light being available to the system - but even that won't be nearly as fast as PD.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on January 15, 2014, 09:20:19 PM
Don't worry, I'll never pass up a chance the argue with you ;)... I was just far too busy these last couple of days. (You just wait till I have time to respond to your last couple of posts in the Learn Photography thread; I have some - shall we say - different opinions :D:D:D)

Hah- nice! ;)

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In any case, please oh please tell me how a faster lens will solve any of Chai's issues. How would it help ergonomics? Color? Make him feel less overwhelmed?

The only thing it might do is enable somewhat faster AF due to more light being available to the system - but even that won't be nearly as fast as PD.

Well, you're tackling different parts of what they said. Chai mentioned that a lot of the pictures were being taken indoors, and were coming out "nunu". Its hard to love a camera when it is so different from what you are used to, plus isn't blowing you away the way you might think it should. My friend bought a DSLR and kit lens that started at F/4. He kept saying he doesn't understand why his pictures indoors didn't look like mine, or even like his old P&S. They almost always needed a flash, even rooms with a healthy amount of sunlight, and often appeared too flat with not enough depth to them. Turns out his old point and shoot had a faster aperture, allowing indoor photos with natural light. All he needed was a good lens on the DSLR, and suddenly he fell in love with the camera.

I feel like Chai is complaining about the NEX because the kit lens isn't impressive for what they are trying to do with it. Rather than switch to an actual DSLR (which will likely have the same APS-C sized sensor and aperture on the kit, therefore yielding the same problems), I'm thinking they need to switch to something with a faster lens. The AF will respond better, and the quality of the pictures might give the emotional connection missing currently. Either add something to the NEX or switch to a more familiar Canon P&S with a fast aperture.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Dan on January 16, 2014, 12:21:25 PM
Best inexpensive waterproof digital camera on Amazon?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on January 16, 2014, 12:56:40 PM
Best inexpensive waterproof digital camera on Amazon?

Panasonic TS20 ($129 Amazon, $99 B&H) is probably the best overall.

The Nikon S30 is $83 on Amazon, and the Fuji XP50 is $99, but both are far inferior cameras.

I've used and tested all of those, and I think the Panny is absolutely worth the extra cost (even if you're only buying it for occasional use).

Enjoy Kauai ;)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Dan on January 16, 2014, 01:03:03 PM
Panasonic TS20 ($129 Amazon, $99 B&H) is probably the best overall.
Heh. Darn stockpile of Amazon money.  Hard to beat $30 off though, thanks!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on January 16, 2014, 01:11:38 PM
Would you recommend a cheap waterproof to a waterproof case? I usually use my Canon 880 with a case but I was thinking of getting a case for my NEX 5.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: chai_forever on January 16, 2014, 05:05:33 PM

In any case, please oh please tell me how a faster lens will solve any of Chai's issues. How would it help ergonomics? Color? Make him feel less overwhelmed?
Thanks SF and Mordy for weighing in. Although I understand both of your point of views, (Mordy kinda gets the emotional side, SF the technical ;)) I just wanted to clarify what I meant. First with the nunu comment: As an example, I took 4 photos at the same time, in the same lighting etc. One really popped while the others had a totally different feel, were blurrier, different color. I saw the camera chose a different shutter speed for one of them so that might account for some blurriness, but still, I felt like it was inconsistent. With my old p&s it was what it was, even if the photos were of less quality.
And with the ergonomics comment what I meant was that with a more compact P&S I could do the 2-3 finger hold without having to grasp the whole camera on one side, plus the zoom/mf ring on the other. Maybe a bad idea but thats what I do. Whereas with these medium sized mirrorless' I felt kinda cramped up grasping that whole quasi grip situation.
(and to SF, shoulda spoke to you on shabbos when you had the time, but really wanted you to rest from your weekday job ;) sorry to hear your so busy now...  I'll stop bothering you :D)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Dan on January 16, 2014, 05:07:30 PM
Panasonic TS20 ($129 Amazon, $99 B&H) is probably the best overall.
Go for the TS20 or TS25?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on January 16, 2014, 06:15:55 PM
Go for the TS20 or TS25?

They're basically identical. The only appreciable difference is that the 25 goes down to 23', vs.16' on the 20.

Is that worth 30 bucks to you?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: noturbizniss on January 17, 2014, 08:04:01 AM
If you could get the Canon efs55-250 for 130-150 or the ef70-300 for 300 or the sigma 70-300 DG with os for 200 all new on ebay, which would you get. Goal is to minimize chis and maybe use savings toward an ultra wide lens down the road.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on January 17, 2014, 11:32:07 AM
I bought a 50 dollar case for my canon elp which takes great pictures underwater. It's only good for snorkeling though. One day ill buy a good kit for diving.

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=20344.msg307451#msg307451
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on January 17, 2014, 01:23:39 PM
Would you recommend a cheap waterproof to a waterproof case? I usually use my Canon 880 with a case but I was thinking of getting a case for my NEX 5.

The only advantage of these cheap waterproof bags is that they're cheap. They're very unwieldy to use. The bag makes it hard to press buttons, and the lens port is usually far too big and long, so you'd often get horrible vignetting. I've also known then to leak occasionally.

The lens port is also cheap plastic, which degraded the image quality.

Personally I'd never trust my NEX in one of those, even a "good" one.

The only really good cases are dedicated dive housings, which start at about $300 for a P&S and go up to the thousands for DLSRs.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on January 17, 2014, 01:26:28 PM
I bought a 50 dollar case for my canon elp which takes great pictures underwater. It's only good for snorkeling though. One day ill buy a good kit for diving.

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=20344.msg307451#msg307451

IME, it takes great pictures until you compare it to a good housing or dedicated camera.

And that only if you luck out and it doesn't leak ;)...

Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: jaywhy on January 19, 2014, 10:02:30 AM
In the process of selling my Canon gear. I ordered the Panasonic GX7. I was going to go for the Oly EM-1 but the Panny seemed to have most of the features I was looking for at $600 less than the EM-1. I figured that money would be better spent on glass.
Will be giving it the run through in Hawaii next week.
Having spent a few days with the Panasonic GX7, these are my initial impressions.

The image quality is fantastic - on par with any APS-C sensor, low-light capability is also as good as any APS-C sensor. The built-in wifi is great, I can connect directly to my iPhone and share pictures immediately. The amount of features baked into the camera simply blow away anything made by Canon in a similar price tier. Completely silent electronic shutter option, built in timelapse and stop motion, wifi, built HDR and WB bracketing, geotagging, all remappable buttons, real AF during video mode, focus peaking!, histogram, built in level...
I haven't even explored half the features on here.

The cons. It's not as responsive as a DSLR. There is some lag when switching from LVF to EVF and when scrolling through menus and photos. There are seems to be a tad more shutter lag with the GX7. The image stabilization is not as good as Canon's and the battery life is horrible compared to DSLR. Oddly enough, there is no option for auto ISO in M mode. IS also doesn't work in video mode.
The depth of field is much larger with M 4/3 than with APS-C even when using lenses with an equivalent f-stop. I think I need a Voigtlander .95  ;)

Overall, I think the camera is a real winner.
The killer feature is the difference in size and weight :D
(http://i.imgur.com/zbSk3Fb.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on January 19, 2014, 10:22:24 AM
The only advantage of these cheap waterproof bags is that they're cheap. They're very unwieldy to use. The bag makes it hard to press buttons, and the lens port is usually far too big and long, so you'd often get horrible vignetting. I've also known then to leak occasionally.

The lens port is also cheap plastic, which degraded the image quality.

Personally I'd never trust my NEX in one of those, even a "good" one.

The only really good cases are dedicated dive housings, which start at about $300 for a P&S and go up to the thousands for DLSRs.

I have a Canon housing. Is that what you mean? It works great.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on January 19, 2014, 12:31:57 PM
I have a Canon housing. Is that what you mean? It works great.

The Canons are dedicated dive housings and are fantastic.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on January 19, 2014, 12:38:52 PM
Having spent a few days with the Panasonic GX7, these are my initial impressions.

The image quality is fantastic - on par with any APS-C sensor, low-light capability is also as good as any APS-C sensor. The built-in wifi is great, I can connect directly to my iPhone and share pictures immediately. The amount of features baked into the camera simply blow away anything made by Canon in a similar price tier. Completely silent electronic shutter option, built in timelapse and stop motion, wifi, built HDR and WB bracketing, geotagging, all remappable buttons, real AF during video mode, focus peaking!, histogram, built in level...
I haven't even explored half the features on here.

Yep, it really is an amazing little camera.

The cons. It's not as responsive as a DSLR. There is some lag when switching from LVF to EVF and when scrolling through menus and photos. There are seems to be a tad more shutter lag with the GX7. The image stabilization is not as good as Canon's and the battery life is horrible compared to DSLR.

Basically, a typical list of mirrorless vs. DSLR cons ;). But I think you're already seeing for yourself that the advantages outweigh the disadvantages.

Oddly enough, there is no option for auto ISO in M mode. IS also doesn't work in video mode.

Regarding IS, it seems that the sensor-based system is disabled during video. If you have an IS-capable lens however, that'll work fine. Weird.

And there's a whole online movement to get Panny to add manual ISO in M mode... According to a Panasonic rep, they may fix it via a firmware update.

The depth of field is much larger with M 4/3 than with APS-C even when using lenses with an equivalent f-stop. I think I need a Voigtlander .95  ;)

Yep, smaller sensor = more DOF. You should also look into the Metabones Speedboosters.

Overall, I think the camera is a real winner.
The killer feature is the difference in size and weight :D
(http://i.imgur.com/zbSk3Fb.jpg?1)

And it's only gonna get better, once you find yourself taking it more places that you eber did with your DSLR  :D.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: jaywhy on January 19, 2014, 01:08:37 PM
Regarding IS, it seems that the sensor-based system is disabled during video. If you have an IS-capable lens however, that'll work fine. Weird.

And there's a whole online movement to get Panny to add manual ISO in M mode... According to a Panasonic rep, they may fix it via a firmware update.
I see you modified your post ;)
So I'm not crazy, they just didn't add auto ISO in M. It's really weird. Where is this online movement?
You think the Metabones thing is worth it? Could be very useful with an fast, old lens and focus peaking.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on January 20, 2014, 06:21:50 PM
I see you modified your post ;)
So I'm not crazy, they just didn't add auto ISO in M. It's really weird. Where is this online movement?
You think the Metabones thing is worth it? Could be very useful with an fast, old lens and focus peaking.

The metabones Speedbooster adapters are super interesting- There are three issues with them that I'm aware of, though.
1) Except for the EOS-to-NEX mount, they don't actually interface with the camera. So you'll be shooting shooting fully manual, the camera won't be aware of the lens attached at all. That means no auto focus or aperture changes, etc, that's all up to you to make. Since your body has IS and focus peaking, that takes care of 2 of the biggest features of native glass. I actually don't like the way small cameras handle aperture changes (usually requires button combinations or menus), so having that instantly manually adjustable is actually a Pro versus a Con to me, but just be aware that you can't just set it to Auto everything and be done.

2) You have to pick a brand of lens and stick with it, since each adapter is pretty pricey. I have some FD lenses and Nikkors as well as EOS glass that I usually throw on cheap $30 adapters when using my micro 4/3 cameras. But to get speedboosters for each lens type is going to cost me well over a thousand dollars. Part of what I love about mirrorless is the ability to adapt whatever glass I want, so I'm having a hard time deciding on just one!

On that note, I'm trying to petition Metabones to make one glass element with different ring adapters that can be swapped for different lens types (sort of like the Adapt-all lens mounts that some third party lenses used to have, only in reverse). I think they'd sell a lot, but I'm guessing they want to sell individual adapters for as long as they can first. Makes them more money. :)

3) Makes the camera pretty big. Part of the draw of a mirrorless is the size. My E-PL3 with a 17mm pancake prime is the size of a point and shoot. And takes incredible pictures. But throw a standard full frame lens on a speedbooster, and your camera starts to approach DSLR size. It is still nice to have the freedom of doing both, make the camera small when you need, wide and fast when you don't care as much about that.

3.5) I've heard some say that the speedbooster affects the bokeh quality. The truth is, I think it might change it slightly, but not necessarily in a negative way. Besides, the lens imperfections, softness and chromatic aberration are actually REDUCED with the speedbooster, so I don't really consider this a problem as much as a talking point.

Also, Fishy is totally right about IS- remember that most Panasonic cameras don't have in-body stabilization at all. Rather, they have specific lenses that do, and those will work in any shooting mode the camera offers. The fact that the GX7 has in body IS is actually pretty cool and rare for them, but I guess it is limited to only specific shooting modes. If that's a concern, look for their lenses with Mega-OIS built in (like the rest of us).
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: jaywhy on January 20, 2014, 06:42:07 PM
Thanks for the detailed info.
The manual issue doesn't bother me at all.

From a cursory eBay search, seems like fast FD glass is not cheap. My question is, is it worth getting a Speedbooster + whatever fast glass I can find as opposed to getting native glass with AF and compatibility?
What sort of combinations can I do with a Speedboster + old glass that would be impossible/prohibitively expensive with native MFT glass?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on January 20, 2014, 10:50:39 PM
From a cursory eBay search, seems like fast FD glass is not cheap.

That shouldn't be- an FD 50mm f/1.4 is around $50-60, easily half a vintage Nikon. Throw that on a speedbooster, you get an effective 35mm f/1.2 (or f/0.98, there is some debate regarding the math involved) that is sharper to boot! A 28mm F/2.8 FD is around $30-40, throw that on a speedbooster and you'll get an effective 19mm F/2.

I've been looking to get one to make the famous "L-lens quality" 35-105 F/3.5 become a constant f/2.4 zoom from 24-73mm as my walk-around lens for video. You can also find deals, especially on third party FD lenses, as some photographers decide they aren't worth much in the modern era. My 135mm F/2.8 is branded Rokinon, not sure who the OEM is, but it was all of $7 in FD mount.

But here's the flip side:
1)The Speedbooster is only worth using with lots of lenses. Any one of these might be cheaper to get as a single native lens. For example, $50 for a 50mm f/1.4 is great, but add a $400+ speedbooster adapter to the mix, and you are approaching the price of the 25mm f/1.4 micro 43 lens from Leica ($450 on ebay). Sure, the speedbooster solution will be faster with a 0.7x wider aperture, but you'll also get fast auto focus and a more compact size with the native one.  But if you have a collection of primes or some constant F zooms, it can be very compelling and present some very interesting options on the cheap, especially since once you have the adapter further FD lenses are a drop in the bucket.

2) regarding FD versus other lens mount types, Nikon's advantage is that their lens mount type hasn't changed. Canon's FD was replaced with their EOS lenses (which are incompatible with each other). So you'd have to pick one or the other assuming you can only afford one speedbooster. The Nikon mount, however, is universal from their old F lens to their modern G ones (the new Nikon bodies are all backwards compatible, aside from some AI/pre-AI stuff that won't really apply to you and too complicated to go into here). That means if you get the Nikon Speedbooster, you can use old and new glass. The FDs are limited to only vintage ones. But the Nikons will cost almost double (for that reason- modern photographers can still them, unlike current EOS shooters).

3) The FD to micro43 speedbooster was halted due to a reported problem fitting on an Olympus OM-D. They had to stop the production run while they make some changes to fix it, but I think they might have just re-released it. But expect them to be in high demand for the next couple of weeks since a lot of users have been pre-ordering and waiting.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: jaywhy on January 21, 2014, 11:56:20 AM
Thanks again for the detailed response!
I'll look into it.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on January 23, 2014, 09:44:14 AM
I am looking to purchase a camera for a relative looking to get into photography (mostly portraits).

Would you recommend an SLR over Mirrorless?   The only thing I see better about a mirrorless is the ease of changing the settings.


 Also if I am purchasing 2 lenses which 2 should they be? TIA
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Dan on January 23, 2014, 10:25:19 AM
Would you recommend an SLR over Mirrorless?   The only thing I see better about a mirrorless is the ease of changing the settings.
+Better video.
+More portable (Can fit into coat or even pants pocket)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on January 23, 2014, 10:38:40 AM
+Better video.
+More portable (Can fit into coat or even pants pocket)

Video isn't priority and I'm concerned with lens prices. If she really wants to get into it the Nex line will end up costing big bucks.

I love my mirrorless but I still have my SLR with my old lenses I couldn't begin to afford on my nex.

Just not sure for learning which is the way to go.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Dan on January 23, 2014, 10:45:48 AM
I have the wide angle it came with and a telephoto.  Don't really see myself getting more involved than that.

If you plan on getting lots of lenses than SLR is the way to go.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on January 23, 2014, 10:49:10 AM
The 50mm for the Nex costs $300 alone. Sort of frustrating because I know they'd prefer the Nex in many ways.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Dan on January 23, 2014, 10:53:11 AM
The 50mm for the Nex costs $300 alone. Sort of frustrating because I know they'd prefer the Nex in many ways.
And they'll know the difference between a 50mm versus the 16-50mm?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on January 23, 2014, 10:58:28 AM
And they'll know the difference between a 50mm versus the 16-50mm?

Yes. You'd be able to tell the difference as well.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on January 23, 2014, 10:59:20 AM
Do you have the Nex 55-210? How do you like it?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on January 23, 2014, 11:01:13 AM
Another big advantage of ML is ease of transition - it's similar in so many ways to a P&S.

But as far as lenses, SLR is the way to go. You could get a full robust kit for far less money than a ML system (generally speaking). Especially the 50 1.8, which is probably the best way to start getting the hang of portraiture.

Now cue @Mordy and the Metabones ;);D
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on January 23, 2014, 11:02:48 AM
Another big advantage of ML is ease of transition - it's similar in so many ways to a P&S.

But as far as lenses, SLR is the way to go. You could get a full robust kit for far less money than a ML system (generally speaking). Especially the 50 1.8, which is probably the best way to start getting the hang of portraiture.

Now cue @Mordy and the Metabones ;);D

Which SLR would you recommend at the moment? Canon only :)
Any good deals out right now? Sorry I missed the deal from Amazon a bit ago.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on January 23, 2014, 11:03:42 AM
And they'll know the difference between a 50mm versus the 16-50mm?

No way in the world to compare the 16-50 @f/5.6 to a 50 f/1.8.

Night and day.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on January 23, 2014, 11:06:40 AM
Which SLR would you recommend at the moment? Canon only :)
Any good deals out right now? Sorry I missed the deal from Amazon a bit ago.

The T5i is probably the best overall balance for a beginner planning to get mute serious eventually. Currently $600 at b&h body only.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on January 23, 2014, 11:16:13 AM
It's it bad for my camera if I walk around with the camera hanging on the strap and my tripod attached?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on January 23, 2014, 11:23:30 AM
It's it bad for my camera if I walk around with the camera hanging on the strap and my tripod attached?

Not really, but why in the world would you do that?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on January 23, 2014, 11:38:14 AM
Not really, but why in the world would you do that?
walking short distances where I don't want to detach and reattach it. It feels a little more secure than holding it over my shoulder and carrying out straight out is annoying... (It isn't the most comfortable though so I doubt I'll do it much, just wanted to know my options)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on January 23, 2014, 11:40:50 AM
Try using the tripod strap instead. Sling the whole thing over your shoulder machine-gun style. Comfortable and secure.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on January 23, 2014, 11:44:47 AM
Don't have a tripod strap.
But I think I should add one to my list now.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on January 23, 2014, 11:53:23 AM
Don't have a tripod strap.
But I think I should add one to my list now.

They're worth their weight in gold.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on January 24, 2014, 11:32:09 AM
Would you recommend an SLR over Mirrorless?   The only thing I see better about a mirrorless is the ease of changing the settings.
+Better video.
+More portable (Can fit into coat or even pants pocket)

Dan, you missed the 2 most important (in my opinion):
1) Size and portability
2) Ability to adapt virtually any SLR lens (even old cheap ones not compatible with modern mounts)

Video isn't priority and I'm concerned with lens prices. If she really wants to get into it the Nex line will end up costing big bucks.

I love my mirrorless but I still have my SLR with my old lenses I couldn't begin to afford on my nex.

Just not sure for learning which is the way to go.

I use SLR lenses on my mirrorless cameras daily, all you need is a relatively cheap $30 adapter.
The examples I posted earlier in this thread (shown here: http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=28454.msg670498#msg670498 (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=28454.msg670498#msg670498)) were taken on the very adapters I'm referring to. Photographers tend to gloss over this as an option because the lenses become fully manual, in other words you have to manually set focus and aperture on the lens, since the camera generally can't interface with the adapter (there are some that do, but that's too complicated to get into here).

While you may have trouble manually focusing on subjects that won't sit still long enough, its actually a great way to learn since you are forced to quickly understand how aperture and exposure work. Many people get DSLRs and leave everything in Auto- which is a great way to get pictures if you aren't interested in the science behind it, but won't really help you learn the technical side of it. So my recommendation would depend on what the person wants to learn.
Do they want to learn the technical side of things first so that they can have full artistic control (cheaper to go with mirrorless)? Or do they want to leave the technical stuff on Auto so that they can focus on composition and framing (have to invest more, and might be better going DSLR)?

If you plan on getting lots of lenses than SLR is the way to go.

I disagree. I have far more lenses for my mirrorless than native DSLR lenses, and spent a heck of a lot less on them!

The 50mm for the Nex costs $300 alone. Sort of frustrating because I know they'd prefer the Nex in many ways.

A 50mm F/1.8 FD lens is about $35. Get a $30 Fotodiox adapter, and you're looking at a $65 investment total. OR spend $30 more and get a 50mm f/1.4, which will give you more control over bokeh and low light. 

Now cue @Mordy and the Metabones ;);D

Ha! Soon we'll be able to finish each other's sentences.

To be fair, I would never suggest a SpeedBooster for someone on a super tight budget. They are amazing and allow things you can't do with even a full frame DSLR native body (gain a stop of light due to condensed photons), but they are NOT CHEAP. I mean, they are cheaper than the difference buying a full frame camera, but you can get a mirrorless dumb-ring adapter for peanuts, and leave the optics and focal length where they are.

I think I mentioned it here before, but I don't recall (and can't find it at the moment- this forum could use better search functionality, no?), but I once recommended a cheap kit to someone who wanted to learn photography basics. It consisted of an Olympus E-PL1 and 50mm F/1.8 OM lens on a $20 Micro 4/3 adapter. The whole kit cost him less than $200, and he went on to take pictures of an event with it that got published.
He's considering getting some native auto lenses now that he's got the hang of how this works. That's how I learned as well, investing in more expensive equipment after I knew what I wanted to do with it.

Which SLR would you recommend at the moment? Canon only :)
Any good deals out right now? Sorry I missed the deal from Amazon a bit ago.

Canon Loyalty Program is the best-bang-for-your-buck. I've mentioned it in the thread somewhere as well, you can score a T2i for around $250 from them (which is more-or-less the t3i without a flip out screen, the same sensor and processor, identical image quality). B&H is a great option as well if you are unsure of your investment, since they have an excellent return policy.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on January 24, 2014, 11:49:11 AM
This is for someone "looking to get into photography". They do NOT want old lenses, they do NOT want adapters, they do NOT want to focus manually.

They want to get started. They need a nice camera and a nice lens of two, and start out slowly. A manual-everything lens is utterly worthless to them.

For gearheads like us these lenses are amazing and tremendous fun. But we are very much in the minority in this forum. Most people here just want their stuff to work.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on January 24, 2014, 11:51:44 AM
This is for someone "looking to get into photography". They do NOT want old lenses, they do NOT want adapters, they do NOT want to focus manually.

They want to get started. They need a nice camera and a nice lens of two, and start out slowly. A manual-everything lens is utterly worthless to them.

For gearheads like us these lenses are amazing and tremendous fun. But we are very much in the minority in this forum. Most people here just want their stuff to work.

That's what I was thinking. You couldn't give me one of those lenses for free
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on January 24, 2014, 11:54:23 AM
You couldn't give me one of those lenses for free

But if anyone ever does, feel free to PM me for my shipping address :D
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on January 24, 2014, 11:55:03 AM
But if anyone ever does, feel free to PM me for my shipping address :D
It would be my pleasure
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Dan on January 24, 2014, 12:39:31 PM
+Better video.
+More portable (Can fit into coat or even pants pocket)
Dan, you missed the 2 most important (in my opinion):
1) Size and portability
2) Ability to adapt virtually any SLR lens (even old cheap ones not compatible with modern mounts)
1) Huh?? You even quoted me!
2) Beyond my skill level.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on January 24, 2014, 12:53:55 PM
This is for someone "looking to get into photography". They do NOT want old lenses, they do NOT want adapters, they do NOT want to focus manually.

You may be right, but with all due respect shouldn't it be THEIR choice?

They did mention that price was a concern, so I'm offering an rock-bottom option they might not be aware of, to take excellent pictures on the cheap if they are willing to work for it. On that note, I did mention that this might not be a good option for someone who just wants to learn composition and framing first.

I have recommended manual lenses to people who are learning photography (heck, photography classes are still taught in colleges using manual and film, but that's another story), and they have thanked me profusely for it afterwards. Its not for everyone, but saying it isn't for anyone who is starting out might be denying someone from an enlightened technical experience. So excuse me if I blow a raspberry in your general direction. ;)

That's what I was thinking. You couldn't give me one of those lenses for free

Ouch. See, that's just silly. I get it if you don't think it is useful, or maybe too complicated to be worth the investment (my wife hates my manual primes, in the effort of full disclosure). But if you were handed one for free, you wouldn't even want to experiment with it to see what it does?
I'm going to assume it was just a phrase, and not actually literal because it makes me sad to think there are people who just aren't curious in this world. I have a rant on that involving our "dumbing down of society" (people no longer care or are curious how things work because everything is automatic), but I'll save that for a more appropriate point in time. 

But if anyone ever does, feel free to PM me for my shipping address :D

Hey, for all my ranting on this subject we should have to fight for dibs!

On an unrelated note, whYME:
walking short distances where I don't want to detach and reattach it. It feels a little more secure than holding it over my shoulder and carrying out straight out is annoying... (It isn't the most comfortable though so I doubt I'll do it much, just wanted to know my options)

Tripod straps are cool, but if you are moving around alot and just want to eliminate camera shakes, have  you considered a monopod? They are cheap very portable. I love mine.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on January 24, 2014, 12:55:30 PM
1) Huh?? You even quoted me!
2) Beyond my skill level.


ROTFL- whoops. For some strange reason I thought you said price for #1. Maybe because the next few posts were about lenses being more expensive. Sorry!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on January 24, 2014, 01:31:45 PM
Trust me, I am curious about things, but things have to pique your interest.
I love to learn but have very little interest in halachos of medical ethics.
I like sports but have no interest in soccer.
I like technology (and do it for a living) but have little interest in professional photography
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Dan on January 28, 2014, 04:04:19 PM
Tripod straps are cool, but if you are moving around alot and just want to eliminate camera shakes, have  you considered a monopod? They are cheap very portable. I love mine.
How does a monopod work?
How can a stick support a camera?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on January 28, 2014, 04:10:14 PM
How does a monopod work?
How can a stick support a camera?
it dosnt on its own it just eliminates extra shaking.
Heres some reading material :)

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopod
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on January 28, 2014, 04:49:03 PM
On an unrelated note, whYME:
Tripod straps are cool, but if you are moving around alot and just want to eliminate camera shakes, have  you considered a monopod? They are cheap very portable. I love mine.
My tripod actually has a detachable leg to use as a monopod, but I do need a tripod, a monopod wouldn't really help in this case.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on January 28, 2014, 05:31:34 PM
My tripod actually has a detachable leg to use as a monopod, but I do need a tripod, a monopod wouldn't really help in this case.

What are you taking pictures of?  Are you 'there' now?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on January 28, 2014, 06:06:07 PM
What are you taking pictures of?  Are you 'there' now?
At the time I was at the grand canyon. Not there now.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on January 28, 2014, 09:28:53 PM
How does a monopod work?
How can a stick support a camera?

The idea is to get stability in places that you can't really carry a tripod, by using your body as part of the required 3-leg setup for stability (your feet are two legs, stand with them properly spaced apart and the monopod as the third leg). Usually you'll see them in places like sports and wildlife photography, where it is just impractical to carry around a tripod but handheld shots wouldn't be stable enough.

Once you have one, there are all kinds of interesting things you can with them. I love mine- I've extended it and held it up over my head to get a crowd-down shot, or out the side of a car window to get the wheels and pavement. Heck, I put a flash on the end of one once to hold it out to the side of my subject, and another time I attached a mic and made it into a boom pole for a video shoot. They're a heck of a lot of fun! But no, if the idea is to set it and jump in for a family portrait, it won't work. :)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on January 28, 2014, 09:48:17 PM
I think you have an unreasonable  expectation as to what people are doing to do with this hobby
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on January 28, 2014, 09:54:25 PM
I think you have an unreasonable  expectation as to what people are doing to do with this hobby

Spend $10 to get a stick with a tripod mount so they can get pictures while hiking? Maybe you are right. ::eyeroll::
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on January 28, 2014, 10:06:19 PM
I think you have an unreasonable  expectation as to what people are doing to do with this hobby
Hey, speak for yourself  ;D
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: jaywhy on January 28, 2014, 11:18:36 PM
Hey, speak for yourself  ;D
+1
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on January 29, 2014, 12:17:09 PM
Is Amazon the cheapest place to get the Nex 6 at the moment?

      I'm giving away the Nex 5 and upgrading to the 6.

Also is there any reason to hold on to the kit lens with the Nex 5 and swap it with the kit lens  from the Nex 6?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on January 29, 2014, 03:08:09 PM
      I'm giving away the Nex 5 and upgrading to the 6.

Can I get on your recipient list? ;)

Kit lenses are usually similar but can vary depending on package and model. My GH1 came with an optional 14-140mm extended zoom, but my GH2 was a cheaper kit that only came with a 14-42. I sold the GH1 and gave them the new GH2's lens with it. I'm not really a fan of kit lenses in general, but coverage of the 14-140 is hard to pass up!

What are the details on the kits you are referring to?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on January 31, 2014, 03:28:28 PM
If anyone is in the market for a Sony and would like an extra zoom lens this is a pretty decent deal on Amazon.

Save up to $200 on the Sony 55-210mm Lens with a Qualifying Sony NEX Compact System Camera Purchase
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on February 01, 2014, 07:46:57 PM
Nex 5 or Nex Alpha 5000?


I can't decide even after reading their reviews online.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on February 02, 2014, 10:24:19 PM
Have the Canon Rebel t3I. I will be travelling soon and may not have access to a charger for close to a week. What's the best way to get a spare battery? And should I get 2 spares? Will be shooting a lot of pics over trip.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: noturbizniss on February 03, 2014, 07:23:53 AM
Have the Canon Rebel t3I. I will be travelling soon and may not have access to a charger for close to a week. What's the best way to get a spare battery? And should I get 2 spares? Will be shooting a lot of pics over trip.
I got this one from amazon, great reviews...http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006Y0YZZ6/ref=oh_details_o02_s02_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006Y0YZZ6/ref=oh_details_o02_s02_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1). If you are driving or have room you can also get one of the car jumper packs that have an outlet on them like this (http://www.amazon.com/Duracell-DRPP600-Powerpack-Starter-Emergency/dp/B009YR00MI/ref=zg_bs_318336011_5) one
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on February 03, 2014, 09:02:19 AM
Nice thing about Canon Rebels is that they don't require a "chipped" battery to power on. That is, unlike other cameras which require manufacturer batteries identified by an ID chip, cheap aftermarket batteries will work just fine Rebels. One caveat however is that it won't give accurate battery levels without the chip. You can find some cheap spares ranging from $7-$20, but be prepared that your camera might suddenly run out of battery when you least expect it!

Another thing to consider is a battery grip. Attaches to the bottom of the camera and gives significantly more power than an internal battery.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on February 03, 2014, 09:06:46 AM
Have the Canon Rebel t3I. I will be travelling soon and may not have access to a charger for close to a week. What's the best way to get a spare battery? And should I get 2 spares? Will be shooting a lot of pics over trip.


I got this one from amazon, great reviews...http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006Y0YZZ6/ref=oh_details_o02_s02_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006Y0YZZ6/ref=oh_details_o02_s02_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1). If you are driving or have room you can also get one of the car jumper packs that have an outlet on them like this (http://www.amazon.com/Duracell-DRPP600-Powerpack-Starter-Emergency/dp/B009YR00MI/ref=zg_bs_318336011_5) one

Most generic batteries are just as good as the originals. So long as it has a good number of positive reviews you'll be good. I haven't used this particular brand, but it seems to be perfectly fine.

I'd also get 2 spares.

As far as car power goes, there's no need to get that monster - one of these will work just fine -

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B003Q54V88?cache=9c2a44e581e84c5ecbb5c3ee04e6aa9d#ref=mp_s_a_1_6&qid=1391436095&sr=8-6&precache=1
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on February 03, 2014, 09:12:24 AM
Nice thing about Canon Rebels is that they don't require a "chipped" battery to power on. That is, unlike other cameras which require manufacturer batteries identified by an ID chip, cheap aftermarket batteries will work just fine Rebels. One caveat however is that it won't give accurate battery levels without the chip. You can find some cheap spares ranging from $7-$20, but be prepared that your camera might suddenly run out of battery when you least expect it!

Another thing to consider is a battery grip. Attaches to the bottom of the camera and gives significantly more power than an internal battery.

Actually not. As a product developer for 3rd party batteries I could tell you first hand that Canon batteries are very much chipped, and not just for power levels. Canon's chips are simply easier to decode and they don't changing the coding too often, unlike other brands.

Most 3rd party batteries will in fact give you accurate battery levels.

And of course remember that a grip in and of itself gives no additional power whatsoever; it's still all dependent on the batteries he gets.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on February 03, 2014, 10:38:03 AM
Actually not. As a product developer for 3rd party batteries I could tell you first hand that Canon batteries are very much chipped, and not just for power levels. Canon's chips are simply easier to decode and they don't changing the coding too often, unlike other brands.

Most 3rd party batteries will in fact give you accurate battery levels.

And of course remember that a grip in and of itself gives no additional power whatsoever; it's still all dependent on the batteries he gets.


Indeed. You misunderstood my post (jumpy!). Canon oem batteries ARE chipped, but the rebels don't need them to be. I believe other Canon's (xxd and upwards) do require some sort of chip to power on. My point is, you can buy the super cheapest Chinese non chipped versions for a few bucks and they will work just fine, albeit without battery levels (I own a few of those), but only if using a Rebel as I understand it. In fact, a guy on one of my forums built his own battery out of a repurposed set of generic battery cells. Other cameras NEED a chip to to turn on and use the battery (or perhaps a "half chip", which is beyond the scope of this conversation). But I think you'll find what I posted above to be quite accurate. You can get cheaper rebel batteries than other cameras.

I was going to explain more about grips when I posted that (as long as one battery is chipped, you can usually get away with the others all being cheapos and the whole grip will act like an oem chipped set), but I'm typing from a phone or my way back from a trip. :-)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on February 03, 2014, 10:38:41 AM
Nex 5 or Nex Alpha 5000?


I can't decide even after reading their reviews online.

bump
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on February 03, 2014, 12:34:36 PM
bump

Honestly, maybe SF has some insider information that I don't, but wasn't the A5000 like, just announced? According to B&H it'll be a couple of months before it even hits shelves.

It looks like an NEX-style body, but really stripped down. More like a NEX3 than a NEX5, since there is no hotshoe mount or accessory port (so no external flashes), and the lack of a touchscreen + very plastic looking body. If I were looking at NEX5 class cameras, I'd take the 5N over this one.

Although, if strictly coming from a point-and-shoot frame of reference, the servo zoom buttons on the body combined with the servo-zoom kit lens makes it function a lot more like a point and shoot for those afraid of the DSLR learning curve, while offering the option of better lenses and growth in the future.

That's my 2 cents, but I'd like to wait for it to come out to comment on built quality.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on February 03, 2014, 02:08:58 PM
Thanks for the help with the batteries guys. They seem pretty cheap I am going to just buy 2 of them. A car charger may be worthwhile as well.

In the Canon booklet it mentioned that I can charge it overseas without using an adapter. Does that mean that my battery won't get fried if I use a 220V outlet and a simple converter for the plug? And would that work as well for my spares?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on February 03, 2014, 04:07:46 PM
Like Mordy said - the 5000 is an upgrade to the 3n, and will not be in stock for a while. The 5t is a much better camera. Among others, the focusing system is much better (phase detection + contrast detection), you get 10fps vs. 3.5, it has an accessory port for flashes and such, it had a touchscreen (and a much sharper screen, too), etc., etc.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on February 03, 2014, 04:13:49 PM
Thanks for the help with the batteries guys. They seem pretty cheap I am going to just buy 2 of them. A car charger may be worthwhile as well.

In the Canon booklet it mentioned that I can charge it overseas without using an adapter. Does that mean that my battery won't get fried if I use a 220V outlet and a simple converter for the plug? And would that work as well for my spares?

So long as your charger says something like "110-240v" all you need is a plug adapter. It won't matter which battery if charging, as the charger is the one regulating the voltage.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on February 03, 2014, 06:25:04 PM
This is 20 dollars with a car charger, 2 batteries and a standard charger.  2000 AMH (No clue what that means). Has pretty solid reviews (307 5 stars vs. 15 1 star). Seems like if I buy this I don't need to also buy a car charger.

http://www.amazon.com/Wasabi-Power-Battery-2-Pack-Charger/dp/B004VTAVLE/ref=pd_cp_p_1
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on February 03, 2014, 06:34:27 PM
This is 20 dollars with a car charger, 2 batteries and a standard charger.  2000 AMH (No clue what that means). Has pretty solid reviews (307 5 stars vs. 15 1 star). Seems like if I buy this I don't need to also buy a car charger.

http://www.amazon.com/Wasabi-Power-Battery-2-Pack-Charger/dp/B004VTAVLE/ref=pd_cp_p_1

Ta-da! :D
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on February 03, 2014, 07:34:19 PM
Ta-da! :D
Does Ta-da mean buy it or avoid at all costs!  ;D
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on February 03, 2014, 07:37:16 PM
Does Ta-da mean buy it or avoid at all costs!  ;D

Lol. It means looks like you found the perfect thing. ;D
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on February 03, 2014, 08:08:21 PM
Lol. It means looks like you found the perfect thing. ;D
Yeah, but just make sure you have a screwdriver in your car if you use that as a car charger and want to get the battery out afterwards :)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on February 03, 2014, 10:46:23 PM
Yeah, but just make sure you have a screwdriver in your car if you use that as a car charger and want to get the battery out afterwards :)
For that price you don't lose by buying the charger. Do you have this product?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on February 03, 2014, 11:23:24 PM
For that price you don't lose by buying the charger. Do you have this product?
Yeah, I have it.
I only used the charger once and it was a serious PITA getting the battery off the charger, other than that the batteries are great.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on February 03, 2014, 11:30:29 PM
Yeah, I have it.
I only used the charger once and it was a serious PITA getting the battery off the charger, other than that the batteries are great.
Glad to hear. I figure that 2 batteries for 20 bucks isn't a bad price. I read reviews that if you turn the batteries right to left instead of popping them out the way you inserted them, then they slide right out.

BTW does the battery indicate when it's fully charged?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on February 04, 2014, 12:03:32 AM
I read reviews that if you turn the batteries right to left instead of popping them out the way you inserted them, then they slide right out.
Good to know.

BTW does the battery indicate when it's fully charged?
I'm not sure I understand the question.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on February 04, 2014, 12:12:17 AM
BTW does the battery indicate when it's fully charged?

If you're asking if the charger will let you know whether or not the battery has finished, I'd venture to say that yes, it does. You can charge it on the stock Canon charger as well.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on February 04, 2014, 12:38:39 AM
If you're asking if the charger will let you know whether or not the battery has finished, I'd venture to say that yes, it does. You can charge it on the stock Canon charger as well.
Gotcha thanks. Sifting through all the Amazon review someone wrote that there is no way to know when it's fully charged. No one else wrote that which is why I was wondering.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: noturbizniss on February 04, 2014, 06:59:21 AM

As far as car power goes, there's no need to get that monster - one of these will work just fine -

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B003Q54V88?cache=9c2a44e581e84c5ecbb5c3ee04e6aa9d#ref=mp_s_a_1_6&qid=1391436095&sr=8-6&precache=1

The advantage of the monster i quoted is that it is a battery source in and of itself and the canon battery chargers can be plugged directly into it if he will not have access to a car at all. If he will then the inverter is a much better choice.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on February 04, 2014, 09:08:53 AM
The advantage of the monster i quoted is that it is a battery source in and of itself and the canon battery chargers can be plugged directly into it if he will not have access to a car at all. If he will then the inverter is a much better choice.

Oh - I didn't notice that.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Bostener on February 04, 2014, 08:04:41 PM
Any ideas for a camera for a teenager?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on February 04, 2014, 08:55:54 PM
Any ideas for a camera for a teenager?

A point and shoot?

There was a nex 3 on sale for 298 at Wal-Mart.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: avi h on February 05, 2014, 12:48:11 AM
I am looking to purchase a new camera. Always had p&s, but after reading the wiki it sounds like mirrorless is my best bet. Not looking for most expensive one. What can anyone recommend and where would i get best deal on camera
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on February 05, 2014, 12:52:04 AM
I am looking to purchase a new camera. Always had p&s, but after reading the wiki it sounds like mirrorless is my best bet. Not looking for most expensive one. What can anyone recommend and where would i get best deal on camera

What's your budget?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: avi h on February 05, 2014, 12:54:48 AM
The least possible for a good camera. I know its not gonna be as cheap as p&s but dont wanna spend the amount of dslr.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on February 05, 2014, 12:57:20 AM
The least possible for a good camera. I know its not gonna be as cheap as p&s but dont wanna spend the amount of dslr.

There's a nex3 on sale for $299 at Wal-Mart. Or pick up a nex 5t for $599.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: avi h on February 05, 2014, 01:04:00 AM
Thank you

As the  novice i am in this field, how would you rate this camera against the nex5 is it worth the extra $$$. Also how would you rate this in the field of mirrorless in general.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on February 05, 2014, 09:16:38 AM
There's a nex3 on sale for $299 at Wal-Mart. Or pick up a nex 5t for $599.

Agree. The 3n is probably your best bet.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on February 05, 2014, 09:20:49 AM
Agree. The 3n is probably your best bet.

Are the real differences between the 3n and 5t just build quality and the lack of WiFi /nfc?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: avi h on February 05, 2014, 09:25:46 AM
Is this it

http://mobile.walmart.com/#ip/Sony-16.1-MP-NEX3N-BMBDL/23204163?type=search
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on February 05, 2014, 09:27:31 AM
Is this it

http://mobile.walmart.com/#ip/Sony-16.1-MP-NEX3N-BMBDL/23204163?type=search

Yes.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on February 05, 2014, 09:50:10 AM
Are the real differences between the 3n and 5t just build quality and the lack of WiFi /nfc?

the 5000 is an upgrade to the 3n, and will not be in stock for a while. The 5t is a much better camera. Among others, the focusing system is much better (phase detection + contrast detection), you get 10fps vs. 3.5, it has an accessory port for flashes and such, it had a touchscreen (and a much sharper screen, too), etc., etc.

All this also applies to the difference between the 3n and the 5t.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on February 06, 2014, 10:41:57 PM
Are tripods that would clip onto a vehicle or an object worth anything? Looking for something more mobile than a standard sized tripod.

Also is this remote any good for the Rebel T3i? For 5 dollars I am pretty tempted.

 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wireless-Remote-Control-for-Canon-Rebel-T3i-T2i-T1i-XT-XTi-XSi-/281081825651

Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on February 06, 2014, 11:13:07 PM
Here's another remote for 10 dollars. Not sure how it compares to the first or what to look for. One reviewer wrote that there is no off button which can create a minor battery drain.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00FP1BQ1Q/ref=dra_a_cs_mr_hn_it_P1400_1000?tag=dradisplay-20
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on February 06, 2014, 11:42:13 PM
Both remotes are infrared, so they have a relatively short range and require line of sight, plus they're iffy in bright sunlight. But like you said, for a couple of bucks you can't go wrong.

There is no off button needed for either of them. If the button isn't pressed no power is being used.

Check out the Gorillapods - little tripods that grab into and wrap around stuff. They're awesome but expensive. If you get a knockoff (and there are many), make sure it has good reviews or you'll risk your camera.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on February 07, 2014, 12:08:44 AM
Both remotes are infrared, so they have a relatively short range and require line of sight, plus they're iffy in bright sunlight. But like you said, for a couple of bucks you can't go wrong.

There is no off button needed for either of them. If the button isn't pressed no power is being used.

Check out the Gorillapods - little tripods that grab into and wrap around stuff. They're awesome but expensive. If you get a knockoff (and there are many), make sure it has good reviews or you'll risk your camera.
Thanks Something Fishy I appreciate it. Gorrilapod looks really cool. I am in!

For the Rebel T3i aside from a tripod, remote and spare batteries is there anything else I need for my starter kit? I have the 2 lenses that came with the Amazon deal back in December. Thanks!!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on February 07, 2014, 12:12:32 AM
If landscapes are you're thing you should definitely look into getting a circular polarizer.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on February 07, 2014, 12:25:12 AM
Great deal on the t5i from adorama. FP on SD
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on February 07, 2014, 12:39:26 AM
If landscapes are you're thing you should definitely look into getting a circular polarizer.
Saw some pics online with and without the polarizing filter. Incredible.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on February 07, 2014, 11:44:14 AM
Is there one size fits all when it comes to polarizing filters? I found this product on Amazon but seems that there are a bunch of different sizes.

http://www.amazon.com/Professional-Filter-Accessory-CANON-Cameras/dp/B0053V5MF4/ref=pd_sim_sbs_p_3

Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on February 07, 2014, 12:03:13 PM
Your lens has a diameter listed on it - should be something like 52, 58, etc. That's your filter size in mm.

On a side note, don't waste your money on Vivitar. Get Tiffen if you want to keep it cheap, or Hoya if your want to splurge.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on February 07, 2014, 12:07:16 PM
Here's what it looks like (top of the picture):

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/08/pu3a3udy.jpg)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on February 07, 2014, 12:25:27 PM
Check out the Gorillapods - little tripods that grab into and wrap around stuff. They're awesome but expensive. If you get a knockoff (and there are many), make sure it has good reviews or you'll risk your camera.

+1 on Gorillapod. Although you have to be careful about the weight of the camera. My point and shoots are fantastic and easily mounted to street lamps and tree branches for truly unique angles, but my DSLR tends to slowly move with a heavy lens on it. Need to be very careful!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on February 07, 2014, 12:32:09 PM
Your lens has a diameter listed on it - should be something like 52, 58, etc. That's your filter size in mm.

On a side note, don't waste your money on Vivitar. Get Tiffen if you want to keep it cheap, or Hoya if your want to splurge.
Thanks. Trying to keep it cheap as I need to save up for a better lenses when the time is right. I've been reading though that Tiffen can make a picture darker vs the Hoya. Is there a huge difference between the 2?

Found a Tiffen will solid reviews on Amazon for 20 bucks.

http://www.amazon.com/Tiffen-Circular-Polarizer-Glass-Filter/dp/B00007LA0T/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1391793403&sr=8-1&keywords=tiffen+polarizer+58mm
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on February 07, 2014, 12:46:51 PM
Thanks. Trying to keep it cheap as I need to save up for a better lenses when the time is right. I've been reading though that Tiffen can make a picture darker vs the Hoya. Is there a huge difference between the 2?

Found a Tiffen will solid reviews on Amazon for 20 bucks.

http://www.amazon.com/Tiffen-Circular-Polarizer-Glass-Filter/dp/B00007LA0T/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1391793403&sr=8-1&keywords=tiffen+polarizer+58mm

Yes, that's the correct Tiffen.

All polarizers will darken the image (more accurately, it'll block light requiring a higher exposure). You'll lose about 1-1.5 stops of exposure. And yes, the Tiffen is slightly darker than the Hoya.

Keep in mind though that this is not really an issue in real life, as generally polarizers are used in bright light. There's no real practical difference to you (usualy) if your exposure is 1/4000 or 1/2000. Is anything, it's an advantage in extremely bright scenes (like a sunny beach).
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on February 07, 2014, 12:48:30 PM
Yes, that's the correct Tiffen.

All polarizers will darken the image (more accurately, it'll block light requiring a higher exposure). You'll lose about 1-1.5 stops of exposure. And yes, the Tiffen is darker than the Hoya.

Keep in mind though that this is not really an issue in real life, as generally polarizers are used in bright light. There's no real practical difference to you (usualy) if your exposure is 1/4000 or 1/2000. Is anything, it's an advantage in extremely bright scenes (like a sunny beach).
Thanks I am gonna order it. I recall all the trips I went on that the scene looked really cool because I was wearing polarizing sunglasses and my camera wasn't. I would constantly take off the shades to see what the pics would look like. Those days are hopefully over.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on February 07, 2014, 12:49:49 PM
When I was younger I'd stick my glasses right in front of the camera :)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on February 07, 2014, 12:52:43 PM
Thanks I am gonna order it. I recall all the trips I went on that the scene looked really cool because I was wearing polarizing sunglasses and my camera wasn't. I would constantly take off the shades to see what the pics would look like. Those days are hopefully over.

LOL ;D

BTW on a P&S with a small lens you could definitely use polarized sunglasses as a ghetto polarizing filter - it actually works quite well.

ETA - I see that Sky beat me to it :)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on February 11, 2014, 12:00:58 AM
Yeah, I have it.
I only used the charger once and it was a serious PITA getting the battery off the charger, other than that the batteries are great.
I just got the batteries and decided to see how hard it is to get out the batteries. Gosh!! I still can't get it out and am afraid I will break the battery. I tried the right to left trick by trying to slide it out sideways. Nothing doing!!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on February 11, 2014, 12:41:41 AM
I just got the batteries and decided to see how hard it is to get out the batteries. Gosh!! I still can't get it out and am afraid I will break the battery. I tried the right to left trick by trying to slide it out sideways. Nothing doing!!
ah the memories :)
IIRC I used a smallish flathead screwdriver to pry it out.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on February 11, 2014, 12:48:09 AM
ah the memories :)
IIRC I used a smallish flathead screwdriver to pry it out.
This video I just saw completely saved the day. It really works. You need to push right and then pull up. If you still have it give it a try. Really simple.

http://www.amazon.com/review/R2P520P6STPH7H/ref=cm_cr_pr_viewpnt#R2P520P6STPH7H
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on February 11, 2014, 01:50:57 AM
This video I just saw completely saved the day. It really works. You need to push right and then pull up. If you still have it give it a try. Really simple.

http://www.amazon.com/review/R2P520P6STPH7H/ref=cm_cr_pr_viewpnt#R2P520P6STPH7H
hmmm, do I tempt fate and risk sticking a battery back in there to try this method?
That's going to be a tough decision...
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on February 11, 2014, 02:44:19 AM
hmmm, do I tempt fate and risk sticking a battery back in there to try this method?
That's going to be a tough decision...
You must! I did a bunch of sample runs it's really easy. Once you get the hang of it you will be surprised you ever had a hard time. Let me know how it goes. If you look at the wording on the charger it says push. That's the direction you push before you pull out. Waiting to hear back from you :)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on February 11, 2014, 04:04:25 AM
You must! I did a bunch of sample runs it's really easy. Once you get the hang of it you will be surprised you ever had a hard time. Let me know how it goes. If you look at the wording on the charger it says push. That's the direction you push before you pull out. Waiting to hear back from you :)
Well, I tried it.
It was nowhere near as easy as you describe and as he did it on the video. It was still quite a struggle to get it off, but I did ultimately get it off with my bare hands...
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on February 11, 2014, 09:20:58 AM
Well, I tried it.
It was nowhere near as easy as you describe and as he did it on the video. It was still quite a struggle to get it off, but I did ultimately get it off with my bare hands...
Well at least you didn't need a screwdriver  :) Could be they fixed up their product a bit and that's why it works so well on mine. It really just pops out.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on February 15, 2014, 08:03:58 PM
Is Joby the company that developed the gorilla pod? A google search mainly pulls up Joby, and on Ebay I have only found companies without any names that sell the gorilla pod, aside from Joby.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on February 15, 2014, 08:05:14 PM
Is Joby the company that developed the gorilla pod? A google search mainly pulls up Joby, and on Ebay I have only found companies without any names that sell the gorilla pod, aside from Joby.

Yes, Joby is the original.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on February 21, 2014, 11:57:58 AM
@SomethingFishy

Where can I get a decently priced used Sony Nex 5n?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on February 21, 2014, 02:21:16 PM
@SomethingFishy

Where can I get a decently priced used Sony Nex 5n?
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-NEX-5N-Compact-Interchangeable-Touchscreen/dp/B005IHAIMA
Used from amazon warehouse (usually they are basically brand new, just open box), for $348
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on February 24, 2014, 04:57:40 PM
Is there a way to tell how many shots were taken with a mirrorless camera? Specifically the NEX line?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on February 24, 2014, 06:22:10 PM
Is there a way to tell how many shots were taken with a mirrorless camera? Specifically the NEX line?

Uploading a picture here (http://tools.science.si/index.php) should work.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: jaywhy on February 25, 2014, 10:37:54 AM
Having spent a few days with the Panasonic GX7, these are my initial impressions.

The image quality is fantastic - on par with any APS-C sensor, low-light capability is also as good as any APS-C sensor. The built-in wifi is great, I can connect directly to my iPhone and share pictures immediately. The amount of features baked into the camera simply blow away anything made by Canon in a similar price tier. Completely silent electronic shutter option, built in timelapse and stop motion, wifi, built HDR and WB bracketing, geotagging, all remappable buttons, real AF during video mode, focus peaking!, histogram, built in level...
I haven't even explored half the features on here.

The cons. It's not as responsive as a DSLR. There is some lag when switching from LVF to EVF and when scrolling through menus and photos. There are seems to be a tad more shutter lag with the GX7. The image stabilization is not as good as Canon's and the battery life is horrible compared to DSLR. Oddly enough, there is no option for auto ISO in M mode. IS also doesn't work in video mode.
The depth of field is much larger with M 4/3 than with APS-C even when using lenses with an equivalent f-stop. I think I need a Voigtlander .95  ;)

Overall, I think the camera is a real winner.
The killer feature is the difference in size and weight :D
(http://i.imgur.com/zbSk3Fb.jpg?1)
I started out with the kit lens and a Panny 20mm 1.7 to test out the camera. I ended up returning both and getting the new Olympus 12-40 2.8 Pro and I've been blown away by it.
Sharp as a tack, faster AF than any other lens I've ever used-including high end L lenses, an extremely useful focal range at 24-80mm equivalent, weatherproof and built like a tank, excellent color rendition. This lens is as good or better than any Pro level fast zoom lens for APS-C or FF. The best part, I got it for under $900, less than half of what the equivalent Canon L lens costs.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on February 25, 2014, 11:22:31 AM
Looking to purchase a point and shoot for relatives in Israel.
They don't want to spend more than $180.
And of course they have kids so anything with a fast shutter speed would be helpful.

Any recommendations?


Otherwise I may just pick them up one of these http://www.amazon.com/Canon-PowerShot-SX170-Digital-Black/dp/B00EFILR6E/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1393345122&sr=8-4&keywords=canon+camera
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on February 26, 2014, 08:54:46 AM
The rumors out of Japan are that Canon will be exiting the sub-$200 camera market. This means discontinuing the entire A and Elph lines.

http://www.gearophile.com/newsviews/canon-retreats.html

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ja&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdigicame-info.com%2F2014%2F02%2Fpost-570.html

http://www.canonrumors.com/2014/02/canon-to-leave-the-entry-level-point-shoot-market/
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on February 27, 2014, 12:59:40 PM
The rumors out of Japan are that Canon will be exiting the sub-$200 camera market. This means discontinuing the entire A and Elph lines.

http://www.gearophile.com/newsviews/canon-retreats.html

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ja&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdigicame-info.com%2F2014%2F02%2Fpost-570.html

http://www.canonrumors.com/2014/02/canon-to-leave-the-entry-level-point-shoot-market/

Boo.

Side note, I recall paying $300 for my first Canon Elph. But to be fair, back then I also sent in film to be developed (We miss you, Kodachrome!). Prices have gone down to be more competitive, but I understand that in a post-smartphone world, its hard to make enough return on their investment.
Question is, what will the outcome of this be?
Possible scenarios I'm worried about:
- More expensive point-and-shoots (The N-line is rumored to be continued, but ironically I thought it was their LEAST popular model! Price to performance never seemed like a good deal)
- cheap DSLR/Mirrorless to fill lower end (This sounds like a good idea at first, but then I remembered how some manufacturers crippled their low end offerings to make the more expensive options look more attractive. Right now Rebel cameras take pretty good pictures, very close in quality to much more expensive models. If they need to create more separation in their branding to cover the used-to-be-point-and-shoot market, the low end cameras could become lower quality by design, smaller sensors are cheaper to manufacture, etc, which could mean decent quality shooters like we have now could actually go UP in price)
- They still won't fix the moire/aliasing in video mode. Because CINEMA EOS, that's why. Brand separation stinks! They have the technology to do it right and inexpensively, but it isn't cost effective as a company for them to do.

Not to mention there are still people who don't like to rely on their cameraphone for pictures but aren't into photography enough to spend more than $200 on a basic shooter. So again I say: Boo.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on February 27, 2014, 01:07:02 PM
There are other cameras out there. The olympus sz-12 is a pretty good cheap alternative
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: noturbizniss on February 27, 2014, 04:45:03 PM
My mom is looking for a new point and shoot. Her request:
Quote
i have the Canon Power Shot Digital Elph SD1100 IS.  The settings are all
messed up.  I don't know how to set up anything like flash, date, change
color.  Nothing.
I am looking for a better camera than this one.  A little heavier (not too much)
coz my hands shake, something that steadies the picture, better pix & easy
to use.  Kinda.  I am tired of the camera I have.  I want to be able to take
good shots of the kids.  But I want a camera that's easy to use. " Cameras
for dummies".  Up to $300 I think.  And if settings get messed up, I want
to be able to fix them.
She's really not good with technology. She has the galaxy S3 and it confounds her often. She gets confused about how to move the pictures off the camera to her computer, my dad usually does it for her. If she's OK to $300 is the S110 a good choice for her?  Easy menu is a key feature.  I think given how old her camera is, she'd get much better pictures with any new P&S, but might as well get a good one.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on February 28, 2014, 02:16:12 PM
I want to get a tripod for my 3M mobil projector (http://www.amazon.com/3M-Streaming-Projector-Powered-SPR1000/dp/B008X1BV2Y). I figure once I'm getting one, I might as well get one i can use with my GX-1 (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00604YTFM/ref=pe_175190_21431760_3p_M3T1_ST1_dp_1).
Recommendations?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on March 07, 2014, 08:51:50 AM
How would you compare the Sony Nex 5N to the NEX 5T in terms of picture quality alone?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on March 07, 2014, 09:20:47 AM
How would you compare the Sony Nex 5N to the NEX 5T in terms of picture quality alone?

Virtually identical.

2 caveats though: the 5T has a much better focusing system, so that'll contribute to less out of focus images, and it comes with the 16-50 instead of the 18-55, which is supposed to be marginally sharper.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on March 07, 2014, 09:22:19 AM
Virtually identical.

2 caveats though: the 5T has a much better focusing system, so that'll contribute to less out of focus images, and it comes with the 16-50 instead of the 18-55, which is supposed to be marginally sharper.

Got it. Thanks so much.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: noturbizniss on March 12, 2014, 09:56:51 AM
My mom is looking for a new point and shoot. Her request:
Quote
i have the Canon Power Shot Digital Elph SD1100 IS.  The settings are all
messed up.  I don't know how to set up anything like flash, date, change
color.  Nothing.
I am looking for a better camera than this one.  A little heavier (not too much)
coz my hands shake, something that steadies the picture, better pix & easy
to use.  Kinda.  I am tired of the camera I have.  I want to be able to take
good shots of the kids.  But I want a camera that's easy to use. " Cameras
for dummies".  Up to $300 I think.  And if settings get messed up, I want
to be able to fix them.
She's really not good with technology. She has the galaxy S3 and it confounds her often. She gets confused about how to move the pictures off the camera to her computer, my dad usually does it for her. If she's OK to $300 is the S110 a good choice for her?  Easy menu is a key feature.  I think given how old her camera is, she'd get much better pictures with any new P&S, but might as well get a good one.

Bump...any advice?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: HowYaDoin on March 18, 2014, 12:44:48 PM
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=39604.0 (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=39604.0) is this a good deal? nikon d3200 389.99
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: wayfe on March 18, 2014, 06:32:35 PM
Natural light photographer, subjects being mostly families, kids and still life (macros and food), and a tiny bit of landscape. I'm thinking of upgrading from my Canon 40d. Considering the Mark III, but I'm strongly being pulled by the Fuji X series. What would you guys recommend?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: noturbizniss on March 19, 2014, 10:55:42 PM
My mom is looking for a new point and shoot. Her request:
"i have the Canon Power Shot Digital Elph SD1100 IS.  The settings are all
messed up.  I don't know how to set up anything like flash, date, change
color.  Nothing.
I am looking for a better camera than this one.  A little heavier (not too much)
coz my hands shake, something that steadies the picture, better pix & easy
to use.  Kinda.  I am tired of the camera I have.  I want to be able to take
good shots of the kids.  But I want a camera that's easy to use. " Cameras
for dummies".  Up to $300 I think.  And if settings get messed up, I want
to be able to fix them."
She's really not good with technology. She has the galaxy S3 and it confounds her often. She gets confused about how to move the pictures off the camera to her computer, my dad usually does it for her. If she's OK to $300 is the S110 a good choice for her?  Easy menu is a key feature.  I think given how old her camera is, she'd get much better pictures with any new P&S, but might as well get a good one.

So today she went to B&H and came home with a G15. After seeing this (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=28454.msg656995;topicseen#msg656995) post by SF I am thinking that they mislead her and she should get the S110.  She paid 350, and they have the S110 for 250. Even with the better battery, she could just get a second battery and save herself the money. That being said, if the G15 is easier to use since it has more buttons and dials instead of having to go through menu's maybe it is worth it. Although she'd love the touch screen...

Anyone have thoughts on which would be best?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on March 20, 2014, 12:00:44 AM
So today she went to B&H and came home with a G15. After seeing this (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=28454.msg656995;topicseen#msg656995) post by SF I am thinking that they mislead her and she should get the S110.  She paid 350, and they have the S110 for 250. Even with the better battery, she could just get a second battery and save herself the money. That being said, if the G15 is easier to use since it has more buttons and dials instead of having to go through menu's maybe it is worth it. Although she'd love the touch screen...

Anyone have thoughts on which would be best?

Usually I'd say that the S110 is a better choice, but I believe here the argument can be made that she'll be happier with the G15. It's larger and heavier, so it'll handle better. Not to mention a much better and more solid grip. There's also the viewfinder, which he might find helpful outside.

In general, I think the first thing you should teach her is how to reset the camera. That way if she messed something up she'll be able to quickly reset the entire thing to the default settings.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on March 20, 2014, 12:08:50 AM
Natural light photographer, subjects being mostly families, kids and still life (macros and food), and a tiny bit of landscape. I'm thinking of upgrading from my Canon 40d. Considering the Mark III, but I'm strongly being pulled by the Fuji X series. What would you guys recommend?

Are you sure you need the Mk3 over say, the 6D? You could save a bundle.

Otherwise what you're having is a dilemma that's getting more and more common these days - should I give up some features and functionality for size and weight? You have to carefully determine what in a camera is an absolute need, what would be nice, and what you don't care about, and only then could you make a decision. Also make sure to actually get a Fuji in your hands - you may find you can't stand the small size, for instance.

Also note that you're limited to two macro lens choices when it comes to Fuji X (the Fuji 60 f/2.4 or the Zeiss 50 f/2.8), whereas you have 12 options for Canon full frame.   
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on March 20, 2014, 01:01:12 PM
Are you sure you need the Mk3 over say, the 6D? You could save a bundle.

^ This. The mark3 is a great, don't get me wrong (and if you are doing video, it's one of the only Canons to be relatively free of moire and aliasing), but coming from a 40D I'd also take a hard look at the 6D. Its a really great camera for the price.
One of my wedding photographer friends told me he only picked the 5D over it because of client's name recognition. Everyone's heard of the flagship model, makes you seem more professional. But if you don't need that, heck I'm considering a 6D myself.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on March 20, 2014, 11:21:45 PM
I advise people to never upgrade a lens unless they know what they need. The lenses that you got with the deal are good for the vast majority of situations (especially if you're a beginner). The day will come when you'll find yourself wishing that your lens did this or did that; when that happens you'll know exactly what you want in a new lens and could upgrade sensibly.

That being said, you should still have a look at the 50 f/1.8. You'll see a tremendous difference from your other lenses due to the large aperture. At a hundred bucks you can't really go wrong.
Pulling up an old reply of SF to a question of mine. Regarding the 50 f/1.8 someone wrote on Amazon that it has a very narrow field of view. What does than mean in regard to taking portraits of my kid and what's your take on that?

Is this the lens you are referring to?

http://www.amazon.com/Canon-50mm-1-8-Camera-Lens/dp/B00007E7JU/ref=lh_ni_t?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: RJ898 on March 21, 2014, 01:29:52 PM
For someone looking to invest in a great sony DSLR, this is almost $400 off today (based on the B&H prices)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/351011000015
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on March 21, 2014, 02:08:28 PM
Pulling up an old reply of SF to a question of mine. Regarding the 50 f/1.8 someone wrote on Amazon that it has a very narrow field of view. What does than mean in regard to taking portraits of my kid and what's your take on that?

Is this the lens you are referring to?

http://www.amazon.com/Canon-50mm-1-8-Camera-Lens/dp/B00007E7JU/ref=lh_ni_t?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Field of view refers to the amount seen through the lens (in simplistic terms). A wide-angle lens will have a wide FOV, meaning you could see a tremendous amount of what's in front of the camera. A telephoto lens on the other hand, will have a very narrow FOV - only a small amount of the scene is visible.

The 50mm is considered a 'normal' lens - neither wide nor tele. What the reviewer on Amazon was saying is that even that was too narrow - he couldn't fit everything he wanted into his shot. Oftentimes you could back up a bit to get everything in, but of course that's not always possible (i. e. indoors).

Now - if you're using a 50mm lens on an APS-C sensor camera, its FOV would be equivalent to a 75mm lens due to the 1.5x crop factor. What that means is since 75mm is in the telephoto range already (right at the low end), your FOV will get noticeably narrower. It won't be considered a 'normal' lens anymore.

One the other hand, a 50mm lens on a crop-sensor camera is an awesome, cheap portrait lens. The longer a lens is, the better it'll render portraits (scroll down a bit in this post (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=28108.msg657675#msg657675) for some more info on this). Typically a lens in the 85-135mm range is used for portraiture (although 200mm is even better, it gets a bit harder to work at those lengths). The 50, acting like a 75, will act similar to a true portrait lens. (Note that the compression ('rendering') will still be that of a 50; however the FOV and overall look will still be almost like a portrait lens.)

For a hundred bucks, I'd say it's a no brainer if you want to take portraits of your kid.

ETA: Yes, that's the lens in your link.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on March 21, 2014, 02:30:29 PM
Here's my daughter this purim photographed with an 85mm lens. A 50mm on a crop sensor camera will be similar:

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3674/13313384344_f8c28ebac8_b.jpg) (http://flickr.com/gp/morrishersko/939Xd9)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on March 21, 2014, 02:59:58 PM
Thanks for explaining the whole thing I really appreciate the detailed answers. Great Purim shot btw.

Why does the camera have a 1.5 crop factor? Wouldn't a built in feature that narrows the FOV be a bad thing for scenic wide angle shots where you don't want it zoomed? Also is APS-C the sensor name for all Canon cameras?

Thank you so much!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: RJ898 on March 21, 2014, 03:10:40 PM
Thanks for explaining the whole thing I really appreciate the detailed answers. Great Purim shot btw.

Why does the camera have a 1.5 crop factor? Wouldn't a built in feature that narrows the FOV be a bad thing for scenic wide angle shots where you don't want it zoomed? Also is APS-C the sensor name for all Canon cameras?

Thank you so much!
It's a crop compared to a full 35mm sensor. It's technically speaking a full frame ASP-C
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on March 21, 2014, 03:19:48 PM
It's not a built-in feature; it what happens due to the sensor size. There are a few different sensor sizes used in cameras, and the lenses are marked to match up with the largest ones (called full frame). Most DSLRs however have somewhat smaller sensors than that, called APS-C. The smaller a sensor is, the longer a lens will act. Since a full frame sensor is about 1.5x the area of APS-C, a lens will act 1.5x longer on APS-C than on FF.

This post (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=28108.msg491413#msg491413) has a lot more info on the subject.

What camera do you have?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: RJ898 on March 21, 2014, 03:22:45 PM
It's not a built-in feature; it what happens due to the sensor size. There are a few different sensor sizes used in cameras, and the lenses are marked to match up with the largest ones (called full frame). Most DSLRs however have somewhat smaller sensors than that, called APS-C. The smaller a sensor is, the longer a lens will act. Since a full frame sensor is about 1.5x the area of APS-C, a lens will act 1.5x longer on APS-C than on FF.

This post (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=28108.msg491413#msg491413) has a lot more info on the subject.

What camera do you have?
Again, technically speaking 35mm full frame is also crop when compare to medium format etc.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on March 21, 2014, 03:23:20 PM
It's a crop compared to a full 35mm sensor. It's technically speaking a full frame ASP-C

"Full frame APS-C" is like saying "he's driving a truck car". APS-C is smaller than full frame:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Sensor_sizes_overlaid_inside_-_updated.svg)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on March 21, 2014, 03:27:17 PM
Again, technically speaking 35mm full frame is also crop when compare to medium format etc.

Everything has a crop factor compared to other things. Using a medium format lens on full frame camera gives you a crop factor of 0.5, and so on. However what most people mean when they say crop factor is using 35mm lenses on APS-C or mirrorless bodies, hence 1.5x for our discussion here, 2x for M4/3, etc.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on March 21, 2014, 06:11:13 PM
It's not a built-in feature; it what happens due to the sensor size. There are a few different sensor sizes used in cameras, and the lenses are marked to match up with the largest ones (called full frame). Most DSLRs however have somewhat smaller sensors than that, called APS-C. The smaller a sensor is, the longer a lens will act. Since a full frame sensor is about 1.5x the area of APS-C, a lens will act 1.5x longer on APS-C than on FF.

This post (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=28108.msg491413#msg491413) has a lot more info on the subject.

What camera do you have?
What a learning experience here! Like with most things I am sure the more I understand the better my results will be,

I have the Canon Rebel t3i.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on March 21, 2014, 06:13:51 PM
Everything has a crop factor compared to other things. Using a medium format lens on full frame camera gives you a crop factor of 0.5, and so on. However what most people mean when they say crop factor is using 35mm lenses on APS-C or mirrorless bodies, hence 1.5x for our discussion here, 2x for M4/3, etc.

Correct. SF, you'll have to excuse my friend RJ898's perspective on this. He, like me, is also coming from the world of cinema where "full frame" means s35 motion picture film. For those who are unaware, film used in movies get loaded sideways compared to photography film, which means that your FOV is cropped to about 1.5x what it would be in the other orientation. That makes an APS-C sized sensor "full frame" in our world (whereas a 35mm photography sized sensor would be something like VistaVision sized film).
When DSLRs started getting used for movie making, it really confused the heck out of lens selections and crop values. Those who went to film school had a hard time adjusting to the 5D for video because they are used to the framing and DOF of shots on an APS-C sized FOV- meanwhile photographers see APS-C as a crop, discussing "full frame equivalents" on cameras like the 7D when shooting video. As you can imagine, this has been the subject of many confusing conversations on internet forums!

RJ898- remember, we're talking photography here. Standard is 35mm in landscape orientation film, which everyone in that world calls "full frame". Knowing the frame of reference is key. :)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: RJ898 on March 23, 2014, 03:20:09 PM
Right... I have an information overload from the last few months :)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on March 24, 2014, 04:07:44 PM
Right... I have an information overload from the last few months :)

If that's my doing, I apologize for nothing. :)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: YG on March 24, 2014, 09:51:00 PM
Is there a thread that addresses choosing a camcorder?

I'm not in the market for a still-frame camera ATM, and in this field I'm comfortable enough that if I had a budget for still-frame hardware I'd know exactly what I'd want to do with it.
Video however is whole new world for me, and I'm looking to get a good quality camcorder just for personal use.  I am starting to get somewhat of an idea with online research, but some wise advice might save tens of hours of reading [I probably researched dSLRs for approximately one hundred hours - literally - before deciding on the D90, a decision that I am still certain - more than two years later - was the perfect one for me at that time B"H].

Does this fall under the umbrella of your expertise Something Fishy?

[Is there already a thread on this somewhere that I am missing?]
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Post by: Something Fishy on March 24, 2014, 10:01:05 PM
Is there a thread that addresses choosing a camcorder?

I'm not in the market for a still-frame camera ATM, and in this field I'm comfortable enough that if I had a budget for still-frame hardware I'd know exactly what I'd want to do with it.
Video however is whole new world for me, and I'm looking to get a good quality camcorder just for personal use.  I am starting to get somewhat of an idea with online research, but some wise advice might save tens of hours of reading [I probably researched dSLRs for approximately one hundred hours - literally - before deciding on the D90, a decision that I am still certain - more than two years later - was the perfect one for me at that time B"H].

Does this fall under the umbrella of your expertise Something Fishy?

[Is there already a thread on this somewhere that I am missing?]

I'm not familiar enough to offer a useful reccomendation for a camcorder... However a quick search for 'camcorder' in Tech Talk brought up at least 8 threads discussing it, maybe see if you could find something useful there.

Also I believe Mordy, RJ898, Jaywhy, and others here are much more into video than me, maybe they could chime in.
Title: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: YG on March 24, 2014, 11:02:12 PM
Gotcha.  Thanks.

I searched camcorders in Tech Talk but didn't see anything within the last couple of years, and at the rate things move these days, two years is several generations.......

If people are interested in chiming in, some of the models I've been looking into are:
Canon 32GB VIXIA HF R42 [$449 @ B&H]
Canon 8GB VIXIA HF R40   [$289 @ B&H]
 - I compared these and the only difference I see is the internal memory, which doesn't seem to justify an extra $160 seeing as they can take additional flash memory - am I missing something?
Sony 8GB HDR-PJ230 [$299 @ B&H]
Sony 8GB HDR-PJ275 [$398 @ B&H]
 - Again Im not seeing much difference between these other than a negligible increase in pixel count (2.39 - 2.51) and AVCHD Progressive vs AVCHD MP4 (No idea what that means), so not sure why the $100 price difference.  Is it just newer model and newer technology even though the official specs don't change (A"D d7000 vs d90 - additional features aside)?

The only major difference I have noticed between the two brands is that the Sony vs Cannon is lux is 3 vs 0.4 - which as far as I understand would mean that the Canons should give much better low light performance, which would be a big factor - although I have read that the lux ratings are somewhat arbitrary, and not necessarily apples to apples comparison between brands, so I'm not sure where that leaves me.

Also, it seems that the Cannons have external microphone jacks unlike the Sonys, and I've seem mention that even cheap external mics are way better than the built in ones.

Any thoughts from the video guys?
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Post by: Mordy on March 25, 2014, 02:48:09 PM
Well, what kind of stuff are you looking to use your camcorder for, YG? Family videos  (which won't need a mic jack), or prosumer event videography?
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Post by: YG on March 25, 2014, 02:52:11 PM
Thanks for chiming in Mordy. 

Just family stuff. Not prosumer. If I was covering something  at that level it would be still-frame.
(Although my obsession with photography took me by surprise after I bought my d90 so there's no telling.....)

Do cameras in this price range offer manual aperture control?
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Post by: Fan of Dan on March 26, 2014, 08:23:05 PM
What the deal with the Canon G15? I was talking to a rep from B and H trying to figure out a semi affordable way of getting a decent underwater camera kit and he recommended buying the G15 and the underwater housing.

Looks like I can get a used camera and underwater housing for up to 130 feet for around 500.

Any thoughts? It is a bit over my budget but the underwater housing for my rebel t3i is well over 1000 dollars.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on March 31, 2014, 03:56:23 PM
Ok DDF Camera Gurus
I need some advice.

 Looking for a point and shoot camera under $200. Something that isn't too complicated but that looks really nice ( it's a gift) and something that has pretty fast speed when taking pictures as they have kids.

        I actually had a Canon sx280 at home and already gave it to them and there was something wrong with it! Super frustrating.  Open to ideas!
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Post by: RJ898 on April 07, 2014, 11:51:59 AM
Ok DDF Camera Gurus
I need some advice.

 Looking for a point and shoot camera under $200. Something that isn't too complicated but that looks really nice ( it's a gift) and something that has pretty fast speed when taking pictures as they have kids.

        I actually had a Canon sx280 at home and already gave it to them and there was something wrong with it! Super frustrating.  Open to ideas!
This is on sale today

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16830179660&clickid=xro1l1TypQKvXR4Vc-1U1R7xUkTQrnyEEXhkXU0&iradid=97618&ircid=2106&irpid=10577&nm_mc=AFC-IR&cm_mmc=AFC-IR-_-na-_-na-_-na
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: askmoses on April 23, 2014, 11:42:12 AM
Firstly in advance, to all the mumchim, thank you for your time!

First a little history....
With RJ898's help during the pre Black Friday from Canon I purchased
-60d (Refurbished)
-18-135 IS (Refurbished)
I later added a brand new 50 1.8 for portrait shooting.
In short, I love this camera and IMO it is a great piece of equipment. I liked the build, picture quality, both lenses were great. HOWEVER, when I needed to travel with my DW for a business trip to California, I was already packing a little heavier then I would like and winded up leaving the camera behind. This brought me to the realization that although this camera was great, it was simply too big and heavy for my lifestyle. I didn't feel like it was too advance for me despite it being a "prosumer" model. Although I realized that as I am still very much a beginner in regards to photography and didn't spend even 5 months with this camera, I would rather cut my losses now before buying more gear and developing this hobby on a camera system I was not thrilled with (again, solely bc of weight and size).   
Thankfully, I had purchased it at such a good deal I was actually able to sell it and all the extra gear I had purchased (case, lens filters/protectors) at a decent profit on craigslist, despite the fact that it was purchased refurbished and used for a good 5 months.
SEEKING
After this learning experience (that thankfully turned out to be profitable) I think I have a better picture of what I am looking for.
-Mirrorless, due to the fact if allows me both comparable quality to DSLR with a much more compact size
-Doesn't need to be as "pro" as the 60d. I am not planning on going into photography as a profession. I am very much shopping on a budget.
-Size really does matter here. I have seen some micros 4/3 and mirrorless that are only slightly smaller than my 60d was. This is not what I have in mind. I want something small and lightweight (it doesn't need to be NEX 3n small).
-Durability is a plus but I do take good care of my pictures.
-Image Stabilization for me is important as I don't think I will be taking a tripod around everywhere.
-I really want an viewfinder. I know some have built in EVF systems and some options you can purchase those that attach on the horseshoe but this is important to me. I don't want trouble getting my composition right in full on sunlight scenarios.
-I think built in flash is important as well if I can get it.
RESEARCH
I have looked into some of the suggestions posted on DDF. The Sony NEX Series look good (Alpha seems a bit too big but I have never seen them in person). The Samsung NX series also has good reviews. I also read the review in Pop Photog of the Olympus EM-10 and it seems to have great Amazon user reviews so far. The Nikon 1 J1 was listed today with a great deal (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=40618.msg794608#msg794608 ) and if it's a good enough one, maybe I should sacrifice the EVF option and just go with it. After all many pennies saved = many pennies earned. I am not looking to blow money that I don't REALLY need to. I'm not sure an EVF is worth hundreds of dollars to me necessarily.

Hope this rambling post didn't burn you out yet! All help is greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on April 23, 2014, 11:52:10 AM
Olympus E-M10 sounds like the camera for you. Small, fast, tough, prosumer, in body IS, EVF, a million different lenses available.

Also consider the NEX-6.

I would not recommend the Nikon J1 for you at all. As a step up from a P&S it's fine, but coming from a DSLR you'd be tearing your hear out. No controls (all menu driven), hardly any lenses, no EVF, etc. etc.
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Post by: askmoses on April 23, 2014, 12:09:09 PM
Olympus E-M10 sounds like the camera for you. Small, fast, tough, prosumer, in body IS, EVF, a million different lenses available.

Also consider the NEX-6.

I would not recommend the Nikon J1 for you at all. As a step up from a P&S it's fine, but coming from a DSLR you'd be tearing your hear out. No controls (all menu driven), hardly any lenses, no EVF, etc. etc.
Firstly thanks for the input! Now for the questions  :)
Is the A6000 worth the extra $$$ over the NEX-6?
Are there any slightly older Olympus models that have comparable features that are better on my wallet? I personally really did amazing on my 60d and even managed to sell at a profit, as Canon had just recently released the 70d, dropping the price down on the 60d. Now that the A6000 was recently released as well as the OM-10, maybe looking at the previous models is good option? I haven't been tracking the prices on the Nex-6, but have they come down since the A6000 was released?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: AJK on April 24, 2014, 12:13:38 PM
Thoughts on the Sony NEX 6 vs. the a6000?
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Post by: AJK on April 24, 2014, 12:43:05 PM
Thoughts on the Sony NEX 6 vs. the a6000?

Also, how do either stack up against Fuji XM-1 or Panasonic Lumix GX 7?
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Post by: RJ898 on April 24, 2014, 12:56:15 PM
Also, how do either stack up against Fuji XM-1 or Panasonic Lumix GX 7?
Fuji has a bigger sensor but is not compatible with a lot of mirrorless lenses afaik
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: askmoses on April 24, 2014, 12:59:46 PM
Is the A6000 worth the extra $$$ over the NEX-6?
Are there any slightly older Olympus models that have comparable features that are better on my wallet?
 Now that the A6000 was recently released as well as the OM-10, maybe looking at the previous models is good option? I haven't been tracking the prices on the Nex-6, but have they come down since the A6000 was released?
Bump :)
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Post by: jaywhy on April 24, 2014, 01:33:27 PM
Also, how do either stack up against Fuji XM-1 or Panasonic Lumix GX 7?
I'm in love with my gx7.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on April 24, 2014, 02:03:49 PM
The a6000 is only about $100 more than the 6, so it's not a terribly significant difference.

The main differences are the focusing system (the a6000 is FAR better for moving subjects), and the megapixels (24 vs. 16).

I'd say the answer is simple - if you shoot kids or like to crop, the $100 is well spent.

The Fuji XM-1 is an absolutely lovely camera, but I haven't played around with it long enough to say whether it's better or worse than the Sonys. Certainly on paper they look similar enough. Personally when I decide to upgrade my own NEX I'll be looking very seriously at Fuji.
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Post by: askmoses on April 24, 2014, 02:05:47 PM
What do you think of the Olympus built in IS system VS having to buy lenses that have IS on other systems?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on April 24, 2014, 02:13:59 PM
Fuji has a bigger sensor but is not compatible with a lot of mirrorless lenses afaik

Fuji, Sony, and Samsung all use the same size sensor (APS-C). It's Olympus and Panasonic which use the slightly smaller M4/3 sensor.

Regarding lenses all cameras use only lenses for their type of mount (not counting adapters - cue Mordy ;)). You can't for example put a Sony-mount lens on a Fuji camera.

If you plan on getting serious with the camera and will be buying additional lenses in the future, it is vital to consider the lens lineup for your chosen system. M4/3 has the biggest lineup - everything from ultra-cheap to the highest end. Fuji is next with a very complete line. Sony has a much more modest line availible - especially now that they split their line (and therefore their resources) into the E and FE (ful-frame) mounts, there probably won't be too many pro E-mount lenses coming out.

Also remember that there are also third-party companies making lens for most of not all systems these days.
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Post by: AJK on April 24, 2014, 02:14:43 PM
The a6000 is only about $100 more than the 6, so it's not a terribly significant difference.

The main differences are the focusing system (the a6000 is FAR better for moving subjects), and the megapixels (24 vs. 16).

I'd say the answer is simple - if you shoot kids or like to crop, the $100 is well spent.

The Fuji XM-1 is an absolutely lovely camera, but I haven't played around with it long enough to say whether it's better or worse than the Sonys. Certainly on paper they look similar enough. Personally when I decide to upgrade my own NEX I'll be looking very seriously at Fuji.

From Amazon, the prices look to be:

Sony Nex 6 - $687 with kit lens
Sony a6000 - $798 with kit lens
Fuji XM-1 - $699 with kit lens
Panasonic Lumix GX 7 - $1098 with kit lens

Now that I look at it, it seems the GX 7--though very highly lauded--is beyon what I'm willing to spend for my entry into the mirrorless space.

But, it's interesting that you'd want to upgrade from NEX to the Fuji XM-1 instead of the Sony a6000.

Considering your preference and the fact that it's $100 cheaper, perhaps I should just grab the Fuji?

ETA: Upon rereading, you say that you'd "be looking very seriously" at the the Fuji, not that you'd decide on it for sure, so my comment above may be somewhat inapposite.
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Post by: Something Fishy on April 25, 2014, 12:15:40 AM
But, it's interesting that you'd want to upgrade from NEX to the Fuji XM-1 instead of the Sony a6000.

Considering your preference and the fact that it's $100 cheaper, perhaps I should just grab the Fuji?

ETA: Upon rereading, you say that you'd "be looking very seriously" at the the Fuji, not that you'd decide on it for sure, so my comment above may be somewhat inapposite.

LOL. Read it again, and you'll note that I wrote "looking very seriously at Fuji", not "at the Fuji". Basically what I'm saying is that from the little I've played with the XM-1, the Fuji system seems to be a good contender for when I upgrade my NEX. I probably won't be going with the XM-1 because a) like you said, it's not so much of an upgrade, and b) I'm not looking to upgrade now, so there'll most likely be new Sonys and Fujis when that time comes.

And I definitely don't have a preference to Fuji yet - like I said, I've only dabbled in it.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: AJK on April 25, 2014, 12:39:28 AM
Got it now (I think ;))

And if you were picking one today, which would you choose? I know you have only played with the XM-1 a little, but based on specs and what you know.
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Post by: Something Fishy on April 25, 2014, 12:49:47 AM
Got it now (I think ;))

And if you were picking one today, which would you choose? I know you have only played with the XM-1 a little, but based on specs and what you know.

From the three we discussed, probably the a6000. The focusing speed makes it worth it for me over the NEX-6, while the viewfinder beats the XM-1 (which has none).
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: askmoses on April 25, 2014, 08:14:54 AM
From the three we discussed, probably the a6000. The focusing speed makes it worth it for me over the NEX-6, while the viewfinder beats the XM-1 (which has none).
A6000 VS E-M10?
I probably would only get 2-3 lenses and I'm no professional... Are basic lenses less expensive with Olympus Mirrorless systems as they don't  need to build IS lenses?
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Post by: jaywhy on April 25, 2014, 08:24:23 AM
From Amazon, the prices look to be:

Sony Nex 6 - $687 with kit lens
Sony a6000 - $798 with kit lens
Fuji XM-1 - $699 with kit lens
Panasonic Lumix GX 7 - $1098 with kit lens

Now that I look at it, it seems the GX 7--though very highly lauded--is beyon what I'm willing to spend for my entry into the mirrorless space.

But, it's interesting that you'd want to upgrade from NEX to the Fuji XM-1 instead of the Sony a6000.

Considering your preference and the fact that it's $100 cheaper, perhaps I should just grab the Fuji?

ETA: Upon rereading, you say that you'd "be looking very seriously" at the the Fuji, not that you'd decide on it for sure, so my comment above may be somewhat inapposite.
You can pick up a GX7 body on Amazon for $698 and a new kit lens on eBay for ~$100.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: AJK on April 25, 2014, 12:11:04 PM
You can pick up a GX7 body on Amazon for $698 and a new kit lens on eBay for ~$100.

Awesome. Do you mind linking to the eBay kit lens?
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Post by: jaywhy on April 25, 2014, 12:20:02 PM
Awesome. Do you mind linking to the eBay kit lens?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-PANASONIC-LUMIX-G-VARIO-14-42mm-F3-5-5-6-ASPH-MEGA-O-I-S-LENS-G3-GF3-GF5-/151281808614?pt=Camera_Lenses&hash=item23391934e6

IMHO, I'd spend more money and get a better lens.
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Post by: AJK on April 25, 2014, 12:21:19 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-PANASONIC-LUMIX-G-VARIO-14-42mm-F3-5-5-6-ASPH-MEGA-O-I-S-LENS-G3-GF3-GF5-/151281808614?pt=Camera_Lenses&hash=item23391934e6

IMHO, I'd spend more money and get a better lens.

That seems to be much larger than the kit lens that comes with the NEX line.

Seems it'd lose some of it's pocketability... no?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on April 25, 2014, 12:22:57 PM
That seems to be much larger than the kit lens that comes with the NEX line.

Seems it'd lose some of it's pocketability... no?

Correct. The Sony 16-50 collapses.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on April 25, 2014, 02:32:38 PM
I actually prefer the bigger lens. That's just me though.
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Post by: AJK on April 25, 2014, 02:33:26 PM
I actually prefer the bigger lens. That's just me though.

Why?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on April 25, 2014, 02:34:45 PM
I like the feeling in the hands better. Personal preference but I like being able to hold the camera by the lens. Don't feel like I have a good grip with the collapsible ones.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on April 25, 2014, 02:35:39 PM
I actually bought a 5t, gave away my 5n but swapped the kit lenses so I'd have the older version.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on April 25, 2014, 02:56:55 PM
I actually prefer the bigger lens. That's just me though.

+1

There are also some issues with the 16-50 that you have to keep in mind - the quality isn't as good as the 18-55, and there is lots of distortion on the 16mm end. Also, since it's a power lens, every time you turn on or wake up the camera the lens has to extend; this means that for about 2 seconds the camera is inoperable, making you potentially miss the shot.

The 18-55 on the other hand, being mechanical, has no startup issues. From when I wake up my camera (I always keep it on, so a tap on the shutter is all I need for it to get going), till I could take a picture is about a quarter of a second, if that. It's also sharper and has no distortion. Also, since it's mechanical, I could zoom much faster just by giving the lens a twist.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on April 25, 2014, 04:45:55 PM
I'm considering upgrading my kit lens (t3i, 18-55mm), I feel like I need something better for everyday use.

Ideally I'd like something both faster and longer -without having to give anything up on the short end.

The closest to what I'm looking for seems to be the Sigma 17-70mm f/2.8-4 DC Macro OS HSM (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/909806-REG/Sigma_884101_17_70mm_f_2_8_4_DC_Macro.html)
1. Does the "macro" designation mean it won't be as good at "regular" photography?
2. How does the quality of this stack up to the others?

Other than that, the f/2.8 options seem to be either in the 17-50mm or 28-70 range. Given the choice of those two, I think the shorter ones would be better. (isn't it better to at least have the option of cropping a picture vs. being SOL when the subject is too close?)

Do you think I'm on the right track here looking at the f/2.8's?
Any recommendations?


It looks like even buying used this'll likely cost more than my camera and existing lenses combined.  :-\
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: askmoses on April 27, 2014, 09:22:00 AM
Olympus E-M10 sounds like the camera for you. Small, fast, tough, prosumer, in body IS, EVF, a million different lenses available.

Also consider the NEX-6.
Got to check out a NEX 5 yesterday. Nifty little camera... I was pretty impressed.
However, after doing some more research, the E-M10 definitely seems like the front runner for me right now. It's a really compact package but reviews indicate it's built really well.
Monday morning B&H DO anyone:)? I've got to see these in person...
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: RJ898 on April 29, 2014, 11:54:01 AM
Great sale today on the NEX6 from B&H and Amazon

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&sku=892146&is=REG&ap=y&Q=&A=details
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Post by: ari9 on April 29, 2014, 12:11:13 PM
Great sale today on the NEX6 from B&H and Amazon

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&sku=892146&is=REG&ap=y&Q=&A=details

amazon gold box link
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0096W1OKS/?tag=cl03f-20
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Post by: askmoses on April 29, 2014, 01:06:25 PM
Great sale today on the NEX6 from B&H and Amazon
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&sku=892146&is=REG&ap=y&Q=&A=details
In B&H yesterday they told me the new A6000 was coming in today. This is probably the reason for the price drop.

What do you think of this deal? Olympus E-PM2 (white) w/ 14-42 lens for only $250? Amazon prices it at $312. I don't think I'd buy it but I think it's a good deal for someone looking to take the next step from P&S.
http://www.neweggflash.com/product/30-111-548

After my experience w/ my Canon 60d I realize I don't really need Prosumer as I really am very much a beginner and this is simply a hobby. However I think I need better then the E-PM2.

The a6000 is only about $100 more than the 6, so it's not a terribly significant difference.

The main differences are the focusing system (the a6000 is FAR better for moving subjects), and the megapixels (24 vs. 16).

I'd say the answer is simple - if you shoot kids or like to crop, the $100 is well spent.
Now that it is priced at just $550 w/ kit, how do you feel about it now?
I did check out the oe-m10 yesterday in B&H... it's a beautiful camera. I do like that it has a touch screen to be able to direct the camera on where to focus when you are using the lcd and not the evf.
 However costs to matter. I would probably never advance beyond 2-3 simple lenses. Will going with the cheaper NEX6 and then having to buy an additional 2 lenses not wind up being the smart choice financially? Or am I better spending $800 on the oe-m10 for what MIGHT be lenses priced more affordably. I'm not familiar enough with the mirrorless world to know about lens prices yet, so I seek the mumchim's advice (greatly appreciated as always of course).
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on April 29, 2014, 03:42:07 PM
For a step-up ring, is there a good reason not to go for the cheapest one?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: askmoses on April 29, 2014, 03:55:08 PM
For a step-up ring, is there a good reason not to go for the cheapest one?
Not sure about the cheapest... this one though is definitely on a great deal for what looks to be like a very nice camera.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on April 29, 2014, 03:59:32 PM
Not sure about the cheapest... this one though is definitely on a great deal for what looks to be like a very nice camera.
I'm pretty sure you misunderstood my question :)  (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ns=p_PRICE_2%7c0&ci=420&setNs=p_PRICE_2%7c0&N=4026728361+4208717486&srtclk=sort)

(Well, either that or I misunderstood you)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on April 29, 2014, 04:04:05 PM
In B&H yesterday they told me the new A6000 was coming in today. This is probably the reason for the price drop.

What do you think of this deal? Olympus E-PM2 (white) w/ 14-42 lens for only $250? Amazon prices it at $312. I don't think I'd buy it but I think it's a good deal for someone looking to take the next step from P&S.
http://www.neweggflash.com/product/30-111-548

After my experience w/ my Canon 60d I realize I don't really need Prosumer as I really am very much a beginner and this is simply a hobby. However I think I need better then the E-PM2.
Now that it is priced at just $550 w/ kit, how do you feel about it now?
I did check out the oe-m10 yesterday in B&H... it's a beautiful camera. I do like that it has a touch screen to be able to direct the camera on where to focus when you are using the lcd and not the evf.
 However costs to matter. I would probably never advance beyond 2-3 simple lenses. Will going with the cheaper NEX6 and then having to buy an additional 2 lenses not wind up being the smart choice financially? Or am I better spending $800 on the oe-m10 for what MIGHT be lenses priced more affordably. I'm not familiar enough with the mirrorless world to know about lens prices yet, so I seek the mumchim's advice (greatly appreciated as always of course).

From all this it seems that the NEX6 is your best option, especially at the current price. It's much better than the E-PM2, and almost as good as the E-M10.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: ChAiM'l on April 29, 2014, 04:04:28 PM
For a step-up ring, is there a good reason not to go for the cheapest one?

Probably. The threading on the cheaper ones could wear out and not be as smooth as quality ones.
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Post by: Something Fishy on April 29, 2014, 04:04:58 PM
For a step-up ring, is there a good reason not to go for the cheapest one?

Yes, some really cheap ones will strip or bond. The one you linked to is a good one though, I use them myself.
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Post by: whYME on April 29, 2014, 04:08:16 PM
Probably. The threading on the cheaper ones could wear out and not be as smooth as quality ones.
Thanks

Yes, some really cheap ones will strip or bond. The one you linked to is a good one though, I use them myself.
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Which one? I linked to the index page...
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on April 29, 2014, 04:10:42 PM
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Which one? I linked to the index page...

Sorry... I just saw the first one. In any case, I was talking about the Sensei. I have a couple from them and never had any problems.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on April 29, 2014, 04:11:25 PM
Sorry... I just saw the first one. In any case, I was talking about the Sensei. I have a couple from them and never had any problems.
Great, thanks!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: askmoses on April 29, 2014, 04:31:14 PM
I'm pretty sure you misunderstood my question :)  (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ns=p_PRICE_2%7c0&ci=420&setNs=p_PRICE_2%7c0&N=4026728361+4208717486&srtclk=sort)

(Well, either that or I misunderstood you)
Nope my bad. Sorry!
From all this it seems that the NEX6 is your best option, especially at the current price. It's much better than the E-PM2, and almost as good as the E-M10.
I figured as much. Thanks for the input SF! I ordered one about an hour ago. This seems to be a great camera for my needs. Yes, the E-M10 was nicer (you have to see it in person, really great build), but with APS-C I'll be back on a sensor I'm familiar w/ from my 60d and at this price, I can't pass it up. I might even eventually buy some old lenses/adapters to use as it has focus peaking.

RJ898 I'd like to thank you as well for your input. Was nice seeing you walking around b&h and helping strangers make better buying choices despite you not having a green vest :)
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Post by: Something Fishy on April 29, 2014, 04:37:47 PM
Thanks for the input SF! I ordered one about an hour ago. This seems to be a great camera for my needs.

My pleasure, I think you'll love it.

the E-M10 was nicer (you have to see it in person, really great build)

I've used it plenty, it's got a lovely build but a painfully atrocious menu system. That's one thing where the Sony is better too.
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Post by: askmoses on April 29, 2014, 05:02:20 PM
My pleasure, I think you'll love it.
One thing I do wish it had was a touchscreen to instantly focus on the point where you want to. I'll be fine with out it as I did fine with my 60d. Still, I liked the 9 focus points on the 60d. Yesterday when seeing the NEX 6 in store, I recall it had more then that. Without the touchscreen, I'd rather not have to do too much winding to get it to where I want to.

Would you classify the Nex 6 as prosumer or something lower than that?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on April 29, 2014, 05:06:19 PM
One thing I do wish it had was a touchscreen to instantly focus on the point where you want to. I'll be fine with out it as I did fine with my 60d. Still, I liked the 9 focus points on the 60d. Yesterday when seeing the NEX 6 in store, I recall it had more then that. Without the touchscreen, I'd rather not have to do too much winding to get it to where I want to.

Would you classify the Nex 6 as prosumer or something lower than that?

IIRC it has 99 phase detection points to supplement the 100% coverage of the contrast detect system. I believe you could choose areas so that you aren't scrolling all over the place.

Level-wise it's prosumer, maybe 'lower prosumer'.
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Post by: askmoses on April 29, 2014, 05:09:56 PM
IIRC it has 99 phase detection points to supplement the 100% coverage of the contrast detect system. I believe you could choose areas so that you aren't scrolling all over the place.

Level-wise it's prosumer, maybe 'lower prosumer'.
TU!
I will def want to move off the kit lens soon as I'm not thrilled with it. I found this interesting (worth a read for those on the NEX system) http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/these-are-the-first-lenses-you-should-buy-for-a-sony-nex/
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Post by: RJ898 on April 29, 2014, 06:43:11 PM
Got to see some cameras I've wanted to see for a while. Good times were had!
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Post by: askmoses on April 29, 2014, 07:24:57 PM
Got to see some cameras I've wanted to see for a while. Good times were had!
The A7 blew me away! Couldn't beleive that is a full frame with that kind of performance and body.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Dan on April 29, 2014, 07:37:00 PM
Digging the price-war going on: http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/43675

Folks if you're on the fence, the NEX-6 is a really really awesome camera.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: askmoses on April 29, 2014, 08:16:48 PM
Digging the price-war going on: http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/43675

Folks if you're on the fence, the NEX-6 is a really really awesome camera.
Glad to hear! BandH 524 shipped with a great brand name (SanDisk) SD card (that I happened to need)! I'm a happy camper. Now we've got to find some lenses...
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on April 29, 2014, 10:55:17 PM
Need a 2nd camera body as a supplement to my rebel t3i. The NEX 6 sounds attractive due to it's size but is it overkill for a 2nd body, especially considering that I won't be getting any accessories or additional lens for it?

Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on April 29, 2014, 10:57:16 PM
Need a 2nd camera body as a supplement to my rebel t3i. The NEX 6 sounds attractive due to it's size but is it overkill for a 2nd body, especially considering that I won't be getting any accessories or additional lens for it?

I use an NEX as a second body, don't find it overkill at all.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on April 29, 2014, 11:01:46 PM
I use an NEX as a second body, don't find it overkill at all.
And do you end up really using it? Especially considering that your professional camera is presumably light years ahead of the Nex? (Makes my concern about preferring the rebel seem almost funny).
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Post by: Something Fishy on April 29, 2014, 11:21:51 PM
And do you end up really using it? Especially considering that your professional camera is presumably light years ahead of the Nex? (Makes my concern about preferring the rebel seem almost funny).

Sure I use it. With proper technique you could get identical pictures to a Rebel out of it.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: A European on April 30, 2014, 12:06:39 AM
I hope a decided well by buying the DDMS deal.

I have no clue about cameras but i am sick of my canon elph.

(I use it mainly to take pictures of my kids)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on April 30, 2014, 12:14:27 AM
I hope a decided well by buying the DDMS deal.

I have no clue about cameras but i am sick of my canon elph.

(I use it mainly to take pictures of my kids)

I can't imagine you won't be thrilled with the change. Especially for taking pics of your kids.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Dan on April 30, 2014, 12:16:34 AM
I can't imagine you won't be thrilled with the change. Especially for taking pics of your kids.
+100, you will love it.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on April 30, 2014, 12:32:32 AM
Need a 2nd camera body as a supplement to my rebel t3i. The NEX 6 sounds attractive due to it's size but is it overkill for a 2nd body, especially considering that I won't be getting any accessories or additional lens for it?
I had a similar question.
I ordered the NEX-6 earlier today, now I need to decide if I want to keep it.
I was planning on getting something smaller as a backup / smaller option for when I don't want to schlep around my big camera, and perhaps more importantly, for video.

The thing is, I wasn't planning on spending this much money, I was thinking probably something more in the $300 range.
1) Now that I've become accustomed to my SLR, is $300 even realistic? Can I get something in that price range where I won't feel the urge to throw it at a wall every time I use it? As a wise man once said
As a step up from a P&S it's fine, but coming from a DSLR you'd be tearing your hear out. No controls (all menu driven), hardly any lenses, no EVF, etc. etc.
(I'm talking about a scenario where I waited around for an equivalent deal to this on a cheaper camera)

If I can get something cheaper that I'd be happy with, what would the advantages of the NEX-6 over the cheaper option? would $500 for this be a better value overall than something cheaper at $300?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: MamaRochel on April 30, 2014, 05:11:29 AM
I just ordered a used Nikon D700 from BandH-not sure if I should switch it in for the D610...thoughts? Should I be worried buying new because I will only have 90 day warranty?
Title: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: YG on April 30, 2014, 07:59:22 AM
I just ordered a used Nikon D700 from BandH...
D700, now you got me jealous!

[Not really jealous technically, I'm very happy for you that you have that beauty, just wouldn't mind if I did too;)]

-SLR vs mirrorless is not a discussion I have much to say about - don't know squat about mirrorless, but as DSLRs go, the d700 is a very nice piece of hardware!
(Not saying it's the best out there, but it's mighty nice!)
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Post by: Ergel on April 30, 2014, 08:10:45 AM
I had a similar question.
I ordered the NEX-6 earlier today, now I need to decide if I want to keep it.
I was planning on getting something smaller as a backup / smaller option for when I don't want to schlep around my big camera, and perhaps more importantly, for video.

The thing is, I wasn't planning on spending this much money, I was thinking probably something more in the $300 range.
1) Now that I've become accustomed to my SLR, is $300 even realistic? Can I get something in that price range where I won't feel the urge to throw it at a wall every time I use it? As a wise man once said (I'm talking about a scenario where I waited around for an equivalent deal to this on a cheaper camera)

If I can get something cheaper that I'd be happy with, what would the advantages of the NEX-6 over the cheaper option? would $500 for this be a better value overall than something cheaper at $300?
I don't know current pricing but I got the Panasonic gx1 for $300 and am very happy with it
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Post by: RJ898 on April 30, 2014, 12:44:24 PM
I just ordered a used Nikon D700 from BandH-not sure if I should switch it in for the D610...thoughts? Should I be worried buying new because I will only have 90 day warranty?
If you plan on doing video you may want to exchange it. If only does 1080p video at 24fps
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: MamaRochel on April 30, 2014, 12:46:51 PM
I want it for portraits...Just don't know if it's risky going with used. My other option would be the D610
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Post by: RJ898 on April 30, 2014, 12:54:36 PM
I want it for portraits...Just don't know if it's risky going with used. My other option would be the D610
I've never been a nikon man but everyone I know that uses a D610 loves it. Honestly though, the future is here and it's not DSLR, mirrorless is new and better in almost every way (including edge to edge sharpness).
If micro 4/3 is too small for you then I strongly recommend going with sony or fuji.
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Post by: Something Fishy on April 30, 2014, 01:26:08 PM
Unless you have a specific need for the ruggedness of the D700, go with the D610. You'll get 6 more years of camera and technological advances in it. Better in low light, sharper, better video, etc. etc.
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Post by: Something Fishy on April 30, 2014, 01:29:34 PM
mirrorless is new and better in almost every way

Name one thing that doesn't pertain to size/weight or video.

(including edge to edge sharpness).

WTH :o
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Post by: RJ898 on April 30, 2014, 01:36:07 PM
Name one thing that doesn't pertain to size/weight or video.

WTH :o
Edge to edge sharpness (for still images) is better on the GH3 with the 12-35 then on a 5D mkiii with a 24-70. Price difference 5.5k vs 1800
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Post by: Something Fishy on April 30, 2014, 01:46:36 PM
Edge to edge sharpness (for still images) is better on the GH3 with the 12-35 then on a 5D mkiii with a 24-70. Price difference 5.5k vs 1800

1 - Source?
2 - Comparing one specific lens/body combination to another does not back up the blanket statement that "mirrorless is better in ... edge to edge sharpness"
3 - Plenty of mirrorless cameras have edge sharpness issues. If you're in the mood of a long read look up the Sony A7r microlens issue.

Don't get me wrong - I'm a strong proponent of mirrorless systems and agree that they have many advantages over DSLRs. But to claim that they are "better in almost every way" is simply misleading.

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Post by: MamaRochel on April 30, 2014, 02:42:52 PM
The rep I spoke with at B and H told me the D700 is hands down a better camera- I guess it depends who you ask. I just don't want to have to buy a new camera soon just because I bought used...
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Post by: askmoses on April 30, 2014, 03:08:07 PM
Don't get me wrong - I'm a strong proponent of mirrorless systems and agree that they have many advantages over DSLRs. But to claim that they are "better in almost every way" is simply misleading.
Would you agree the way the technology tends to be developing, it certainly seems to be heading there?
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Post by: Something Fishy on April 30, 2014, 07:31:02 PM
The rep I spoke with at B and H told me the D700 is hands down a better camera- I guess it depends who you ask. I just don't want to have to buy a new camera soon just because I bought used...

The D700 is a better camera on paper, since it's a more pro camera than the D610. That doesn't mean that you'll get better pictures - in fact the D610 will have better image quality any day of the week. The D700 has better build, a more robust shutter mechanism, etc. Nothing that would matter in the way you'd use it (at least what I could see from your posts).

Like I said - the simple fact that the D610 is six years newer will make all the difference in the world.
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Post by: Something Fishy on April 30, 2014, 07:31:38 PM
Would you agree the way the technology tends to be developing, it certainly seems to be heading there?

Oh yeah, definitely. But we're not there yet...
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Post by: sky121 on April 30, 2014, 07:38:09 PM
Just FYI I bought the sx280 as a gift for someone and it came brand new with a known flaw. The battery going to low while in video mode. I sent it in to Canon and it came back with the problem not fixed and a buzzing noise. Not all the sx280s have this problem. But just be warned.
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Post by: askmoses on May 01, 2014, 12:18:08 PM
What do you think of this deal? Olympus E-PM2 (white) w/ 14-42 lens for only $250? Amazon prices it at $312. I don't think I'd buy it but I think it's a good deal for someone looking to take the next step from P&S.
http://www.neweggflash.com/product/30-111-548
Now even cheaper on Ebay with Newegg! Only $200 (Amazon has it for $315).
http://www.ebay.com/itm/301164437154
Great deal for a camera with amazing reviews (for those looking to take one step up from P&S).
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Post by: askmoses on May 01, 2014, 03:50:11 PM
Is this a good deal on what looks to be a good zoom lens for my new Nex 6? Amazon sells for $348 and here its only $206.30 http://www.ebay.com/itm/230980238329
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Post by: Something Fishy on May 01, 2014, 04:36:56 PM
Is this a good deal on what looks to be a good zoom lens for my new Nex 6? Amazon sells for $348 and here its only $206.30 http://www.ebay.com/itm/230980238329

It's your basic zoom lens. Seems like a good deal.
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Post by: askmoses on May 01, 2014, 04:52:23 PM
It's your basic zoom lens. Seems like a good deal.
Thanks! Reviews seem great. I need 1 zoom lens and 1 prime to really get down my basic lenses (w/ included kit lens). I don't do much photography with this type of lens anyhow. I'd rather put money into a prime if I need to.
EDIT: Seems like there are a quite a few listings with this cheap price (some as low as $195) on Ebay. All are from Hong Kong/China. Even stranger is that there is nothing even close to that price when I search for the same lens in black. They all seem to go to nearly $300. Is this something to be concerned about? I don't want a fake or something that is really refurbished...
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Post by: whYME on May 02, 2014, 02:30:06 AM
I ordered the NEX-6 earlier today, now I need to decide if I want to keep it.
I was planning on getting something smaller as a backup / smaller option for when I don't want to schlep around my big camera, and perhaps more importantly, for video.
So as much as I would love to keep it, I just can't justify spending this much on a "backup" at this point in the game.

I think I'd be much better off spending ~$200 on an s110 (or is there a better option in that price range?) and than I'll still have money for a GoPro, which has also been on my wishlist for a while.
Fishy, what do you think?
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Post by: Dan on May 02, 2014, 03:27:55 PM
Finally installed the WiFi apps onto my NEX-6, really neat stuff.
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Post by: askmoses on May 02, 2014, 03:29:51 PM
Finally installed the WiFi apps onto my NEX-6, really neat stuff.
I read an amazon review posted a while ago that Sony charged for some of those apps. Is that still the case?
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Post by: MC on May 02, 2014, 03:31:40 PM

Finally installed the WiFi apps onto my NEX-6, really neat stuff.
Which ones?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on May 07, 2014, 01:12:35 AM
For those who missed out on those tripods from Costco last time, They're back! (http://www.costco.com/.product.100073661.html)
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Post by: Fan of Dan on May 07, 2014, 09:28:36 AM
For those who missed out on those tripods from Costco last time, They're back! (http://www.costco.com/.product.100073661.html)
Thanks for posting. I have spent a while looking for a good one that folds up small yet isn't really short when extended, and this fits that bill really nicely. Is it a good quality tripod aside from the flexibility or travelling with it?
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Post by: whYME on May 07, 2014, 10:05:00 AM
Thanks for posting. I have spent a while looking for a good one that folds up small yet isn't really short when extended, and this fits that bill really nicely. Is it a good quality tripod aside from the flexibility or travelling with it?
I really like it.
It seems quite solid to me.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Dan on May 07, 2014, 11:00:53 AM
Which ones?
Phone remote, upload, etc.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: zale on May 07, 2014, 01:18:13 PM
I'm having trouble deciding between the RX100 (or RX100 II) and the NEX-6.

Basically, all the photos my wife and I take now are with our Iphones, and we are looking to get better pictures of our kids, events and vacations.

The main things I am looking for are:


Doing some research, I have found that the above-mentioned things can exist in a camera, but only at certain settings. For example, some cameras and lenses have excellent low-light abilities, but only at the base MM level. Once zoom is utilized, those abilities become limited etc...

Now, I don't necessarily NEED to be able to swap out lenses if the RX-100 can provide everything I need with its built-in lens. From what I've read, the built-in Carl Zeiss lens on the RX-100 is the equivalent of a $1000 lens for the NEX, and the kit lens that comes with the NEX is mid-level quality at best.

My budget is around $650.

Any input here would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on May 07, 2014, 01:39:53 PM
So...

- Video is more or less identical between the two. You could remove that from your decision making process.

- Size: the RX is obviously smaller. The NEX fits in a pocket, but only a fairly large one. No way of knowing if it's small enough for you without holding it.

- Lens: quality-wise they're similar for the type of pictures you mention you'd be taking. I don't think you'll be able to see a difference in real life use.

Low light: No question that the NEX is better overall. While the RX has a faster lens, the NEX had a far superior and larger sensor to outweigh any low light advantage the faster lens gives you. Remember that both lens are variable aperture and get slower as you zoom (which you've alluded to above). That means that there is an even smaller difference in the lens regarding low light.

Focus speed and shutter lag: the two most important things you need to "not miss a shot". Again, the NEX wins hands down.

There are other aspects where the NEX is better, such as dynamic range (able to see both bright and dark parts of a scene without the brights turning solid white or the darks going black).

In conclusion: the NEX will give you a better picture, and it'll do it faster too. If you like the size (your gotta try it!), go for it.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: zale on May 07, 2014, 02:36:15 PM
So...

- Video is more or less identical between the two. You could remove that from your decision making process.

- Size: the RX is obviously smaller. The NEX fits in a pocket, but only a fairly large one. No way of knowing if it's small enough for you without holding it.

- Lens: quality-wise they're similar for the type of pictures you mention you'd be taking. I don't think you'll be able to see a difference in real life use.

Low light: No question that the NEX is better overall. While the RX has a faster lens, the NEX had a far superior and larger sensor to outweigh any low light advantage the faster lens gives you. Remember that both lens are variable aperture and get slower as you zoom (which you've alluded to above). That means that there is an even smaller difference in the lens regarding low light.

Focus speed and shutter lag: the two most important things you need to "not miss a shot". Again, the NEX wins hands down.

There are other aspects where the NEX is better, such as dynamic range (able to see both bright and dark parts of a scene without the brights turning solid white or the darks going black).

In conclusion: the NEX will give you a better picture, and it'll do it faster too. If you like the size (your gotta try it!), go for it.

Thanks for the quick response!

When you speak of the qualities of the NEX, do you mean the NEX and the kit lens? (There seems to be a lot of negativity toward that lens from reviewers.)

Dynamic range is very important to me actually, thanks for mentioning it. I assume you are talking about scenarios where I would be shooting on a sunny day, and the entire sky will come out white in the picture. Happens to me all the time.

Some comments on the RX-100 II did have people complaining of slowish shutter speed. (Even though SONY is promoting this as one of the best features of this camera.)

As far as portability goes, I do have big pockets, and my wife has a handbag, so as long as it's not "bulky" and annoying to take along to a Simcha etc. I would go for it. (in other words, if I have to think twice about "shlepping it along" with me, It's useless.). I see that the 16-50mm kit lens is advertised as a pancake lens, yet it appears to stick out beyond the depth of the camera body. This lens: http://bhpho.to/1hxHJjK looks like it can really make the NEX portable.

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Post by: Something Fishy on May 07, 2014, 02:43:42 PM
Thanks for the quick response!

When you speak of the qualities of the NEX, do you mean the NEX and the kit lens? (There seems to be a lot of negativity toward that lens from reviewers.)

Dynamic range is very important to me actually, thanks for mentioning it. I assume you are talking about scenarios where I would be shooting on a sunny day, and the entire sky will come out white in the picture. Happens to me all the time.

Some comments on the RX-100 II did have people complaining of slowish shutter speed. (Even though SONY is promoting this as one of the best features of this camera.)

As far as portability goes, I do have big pockets, and my wife has a handbag, so as long as it's not "bulky" and annoying to take along to a Simcha etc. I would go for it. (in other words, if I have to think twice about "shlepping it along" with me, It's useless.). I see that the 16-50mm kit lens is advertised as a pancake lens, yet it appears to stick out beyond the depth of the camera body. This lens: http://bhpho.to/1hxHJjK looks like it can really make the NEX portable.

(I'm on Tapatalk so I can't quote properly; I'll answer in order of your questions.)

- Yes, I mean with the kit lens. The negativity you see is from pixel peepers; under normal real-life use it's a beautiful lens.

- Yup, white skies will mostly be a thing of the past.

- The RX is a fast camera - for a point and shoot. But compared to a mirrorless, it's molasses.

- Sound like the right size for you, then.

- The 16-50 is a marketing pancake; the lens you linked to is a real pancake.
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Post by: zale on May 07, 2014, 02:53:06 PM
(I'm on Tapatalk so I can't quote properly; I'll answer in order of your questions.)

- Yes, I mean with the kit lens. The negativity you see is from pixel peepers; under normal real-life use it's a beautiful lens.

- Yup, white skies will mostly be a thing of the past.

- The RX is a fast camera - for a point and shoot. But compared to a mirrorless, it's molasses.

- Sound like the right size for you, then.

- The 16-50 is a marketing pancake; the lens you linked to is a real pancake.

Sounds like the NEX is the way to go. One more question: Is the A6000 worth the extra $300? Will it do that much better on fast shooting and low light?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on May 07, 2014, 04:04:22 PM
I really like it.
It seems quite solid to me.
From what I can read the only thing it lacks that I would want is a level. Did you use ever use it with the center column extended?

I am on the fence between the Costco one you linked and the Promaster XC525 http://www.amazon.com/ProMaster-XC525-Blue-Tripod-With/dp/B008M7R83K which costs more at 169 but has a level. It folds up to 15 inches and it weighs pretty much the same. It also can become a monopod  and has the quick release mechanism. Only reason I would pay 100 dollars more is that I tried it out in a local camera shop and really liked it. Any opinion?

Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on May 07, 2014, 09:22:11 PM
From what I can read the only thing it lacks that I would want is a level. Did you use ever use it with the center column extended?
I definitely did when I first tested it out, other than that I'm not really sure.
I think I did but I'm not 100% sure.

I am on the fence between the Costco one you linked and the Promaster XC525 http://www.amazon.com/ProMaster-XC525-Blue-Tripod-With/dp/B008M7R83K which costs more at 169 but has a level. It folds up to 15 inches and it weighs pretty much the same. It also can become a monopod  and has the quick release mechanism. Only reason I would pay 100 dollars more is that I tried it out in a local camera shop and really liked it. Any opinion?
That promaster looks virtually the same as mine. I would say get the one from Costco and if you don't like it you can always return it and get the more expensive one.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on May 07, 2014, 09:22:29 PM
From what I can read the only thing it lacks that I would want is a level.

Get this  (http://www.amazon.com/eForCity-Camera-Flashlight-Spirit-Level/dp/B005J2MWS2/ref=sr_1_5?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1399511871&sr=1-5&keywords=camera+level)or this (http://www.amazon.com/Cameras-Premium-MagicFiber-Microfiber-Cleaning/dp/B0045DIO7E/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1399512051&sr=1-1&keywords=camera+level) and call it a day.

Did you use ever use it with the center column extended?

You should always try to avoid that, no matter the tripod.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on May 07, 2014, 09:25:42 PM
Get this  (http://www.amazon.com/eForCity-Camera-Flashlight-Spirit-Level/dp/B005J2MWS2/ref=sr_1_5?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1399511871&sr=1-5&keywords=camera+level)or this (http://www.amazon.com/Cameras-Premium-MagicFiber-Microfiber-Cleaning/dp/B0045DIO7E/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1399512051&sr=1-1&keywords=camera+level) and call it a day.
I think I asked you this at one of the photoDOs, but I can't remember the answer. What's the need for a level? the point is for the picture to look right, not be perfectly horizontal/vertical?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on May 07, 2014, 10:10:30 PM
I think I asked you this at one of the photoDOs, but I can't remember the answer. What's the need for a level? the point is for the picture to look right, not be perfectly horizontal/vertical?

True, but when you want it level (which is most of the time) you want it level.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on May 07, 2014, 10:30:53 PM
True, but when you want it level (which is most of the time) you want it level.
Do you regularly use a level?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on May 07, 2014, 10:33:15 PM
Do you regularly use a level?

Yes. I like my landscapes straight. 8)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on May 07, 2014, 11:25:19 PM
Yes. I like my landscapes straight. 8)
gotcha :)

Anywho, on to more important things:

I've been considering perhaps "trading in" my SLR for a mirrorless. My main concern is the size of my bag. Right now it's not a problem, but I'm worried that as my kit grows it'll get to be too much. I can't see myself shlepping a bag like yours around.
I like the size of my current bag (http://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Sling-Backpack-Cameras-Black/dp/B005VTIMEQ), I don't think I can deal with something much bigger than that.
Right now I still have room for upgrading my kit lens + a few little accesories (e.g. remote) after that I think I'll be maxed out.

My biggest question now (besides the $$) is will I have the same potential for growth with a mirrorless (let's say NEX) as with the Canon EOS ecosystem?
(one example: is there an NEX equivalent to the f/2.8 17-55's for SLR's? I'm not really seeing anything. Although I am seeing a $1000 12-40mm for micro 4/3...)

I doubt I would actually go through with this, I think at the end of the day the SLR pros will outweigh the size issue, but I still would like to know what my options are...
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on May 07, 2014, 11:49:47 PM
Get this  (http://www.amazon.com/eForCity-Camera-Flashlight-Spirit-Level/dp/B005J2MWS2/ref=sr_1_5?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1399511871&sr=1-5&keywords=camera+level)or this (http://www.amazon.com/Cameras-Premium-MagicFiber-Microfiber-Cleaning/dp/B0045DIO7E/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1399512051&sr=1-1&keywords=camera+level) and call it a day.

You should always try to avoid that, no matter the tripod.
Thanks for the links for a level, so cool how that goes on the camera itself. Regarding the height w/o center column it goes to 46 inches which means I need to bend down a bit but not to bad as I am only 5 ft. 8.

Can I assume you like the Costco tripod for the casual hobbyist?

Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: zale on May 08, 2014, 10:03:05 AM
The a6000 is only about $100 more than the 6, so it's not a terribly significant difference.

The main differences are the focusing system (the a6000 is FAR better for moving subjects), and the megapixels (24 vs. 16).

I'd say the answer is simple - if you shoot kids or like to crop, the $100 is well spent.


SF, now that the difference between the two is more like $300, do you still recommend opting for the a6000? Moving/motion shots was one of the things I was looking for. Will the NEX6 blur movement in low light?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: MC on May 08, 2014, 11:32:14 AM
Has anyone noticed that the NEX6 has a short battery life? Or is that just because it's new and I don't stop playing with it? :)
Planning to buy a spare battery anyways but I'm wondering if there are some important power saving tips I don't know about...?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on May 08, 2014, 11:37:06 AM
Has anyone noticed that the NEX6 has a short battery life? Or is that just because it's new and I don't stop playing with it? :)
Planning to buy a spare battery anyways but I'm wondering if there are some important power saving tips I don't know about...?
Turning off the touch screen might help? I don't really use it myself.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: MC on May 08, 2014, 11:47:42 AM

Turning off the touch screen might help? I don't really use it myself.
???
IINM the 6 doesn't have a touch screen
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: askmoses on May 08, 2014, 11:48:10 AM
Turning off the touch screen might help? I don't really use it myself.
I don't think the Nex 6 has a TS.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on May 08, 2014, 11:36:25 PM
gotcha :)

Anywho, on to more important things:

I've been considering perhaps "trading in" my SLR for a mirrorless. My main concern is the size of my bag. Right now it's not a problem, but I'm worried that as my kit grows it'll get to be too much. I can't see myself shlepping a bag like yours around. Why not? You could put a couple of kids in there too. It's quite practical :D
I like the size of my current bag (http://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Sling-Backpack-Cameras-Black/dp/B005VTIMEQ), I don't think I can deal with something much bigger than that.
Right now I still have room for upgrading my kit lens + a few little accesories (e.g. remote) after that I think I'll be maxed out.

My biggest question now (besides the $$) is will I have the same potential for growth with a mirrorless yes (let's say NEX not quite ) as with the Canon EOS ecosystem?
(one example: is there an NEX equivalent to the f/2.8 17-55's for SLR's? I'm not really seeing anything This  (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1001009-REG/sony_sel1670z_16_70mm_f_4_za_lens.html)one is probably the closest. Although I am seeing a $1000 12-40mm for micro 4/3...) There's also this (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/865111-REG/Panasonic_H_HS12035_Lumix_G_X_Vario.html) beauty.

I doubt I would actually go through with this, I think at the end of the day the SLR pros will outweigh the size issue, but I still would like to know what my options are...

See in red above.

If you want to get serious M4/3 or Fuji is your best bet. They are the only ones with a full lineup of pro-level lenses.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on May 08, 2014, 11:37:21 PM
Can I assume you like the Costco tripod for the casual hobbyist?

Yes, it's quite nice for the price.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on May 08, 2014, 11:39:08 PM
SF, now that the difference between the two is more like $300, do you still recommend opting for the a6000?

I personally don't think the difference is worth $300.

Moving/motion shots was one of the things I was looking for.

Both will do a great job.

Will the NEX6 blur movement in low light?

Nope.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on May 08, 2014, 11:42:37 PM
Has anyone noticed that the NEX6 has a short battery life? Or is that just because it's new and I don't stop playing with it? :)
Planning to buy a spare battery anyways but I'm wondering if there are some important power saving tips I don't know about...?

One of the main downsides to ML is the battery life, which is generally only 10-20% that of a DSLR. Simple ways to save power is to have the LCD turn off quickly, lower the brightness if possible, avoid using the flash, don't browse the images too much, etc. Typical stuff.

And a second battery is crucial too.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on May 09, 2014, 12:36:30 AM
Yes, it's quite nice for the price.
Thanks for the vote of confidence, it's on it's way.

My current camera kit thanks to all your suggestions is my Rebel t3i, 18-55mm kit lens 75-300mm, 50mm f1.8 (which I am having a blast with), Costco tripod, Tiffen CPL, remote and diffuser.

I am pretty much done for now, only thing I am thinking of getting is a ND filter (maybe a grad ND too) and the Canon 430 EX II flash. Without having much knowledge about flash will I be able to take advantage of the speedlight? On Amazon everyone writes about it being a complete game changer (like they never take it off etc.) Is that really the case?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on May 09, 2014, 12:54:38 AM
Thanks for the vote of confidence, it's on it's way.

My current camera kit thanks to all your suggestions is my Rebel t3i, 18-55mm kit lens 75-300mm, 50mm f1.8 (which I am having a blast with), Costco tripod, Tiffen CPL, remote and diffuser.

I am pretty much done for now, only thing I am thinking of getting is a ND filter (maybe a grad ND too) and the Canon 430 EX II flash. Without having much knowledge about flash will I be able to take advantage of the speedlight? On Amazon everyone writes about it being a complete game changer (like they never take it off etc.) Is that really the case?

Ha. If keeping a flash on the camera is a game changer, I wonder what they would call it when they figure out how to use off-camera flash. On the camera all it does is blast flat and unflattering light right at your subject. Take it off-camera, and you'll learn how to sculpt light, how to create feeling and mood...

But back to earth ;) - these days there's no real reason to shell out $$$ for the Canon. Get a Yongnuo or similar on Ebay and you'll get much more flash for your buck. A Yongnuo YN-560EX for instance is $94 and better than the Canon in many ways.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on May 09, 2014, 01:05:32 AM
See in red above.

If you want to get serious M4/3 or Fuji is your best bet. They are the only ones with a full lineup of pro-level lenses.
Thanks!

Which M4/3 would you suggest that'll be at least as good as my t3i?

Although it probably makes sense in theory, I really can't see myself switching at this point. I can't imagine I'll be able to afford it.
It looks like I'll be able to upgrade my kit lens, get a decent small camera AND get a GoPro just for the amount it'll cost me to upgrade the basic lens on an M4/3...

On that note,
I think I'd be much better off spending ~$200 on an s110 (or is there a better option in that price range?) and then I'll still have money for a GoPro, which has also been on my wishlist for a while.
What do you think of me getting the s110 as my backup? Is that my best option in that price range? Is there something a  little more expensive that I'd be much better off getting?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on May 09, 2014, 01:08:38 AM
Which M4/3 would you suggest that'll be at least as good as my t3i?

I have to brush up on the latest M4/3 models, so I'm not gonna answer that now...

On that note,What do you think of me getting the s110 as my backup? Is that my best option in that price range? Is there something a  little more expensive that I'd be much better off getting?

The S110 is great, but if I were you I'd wait a couple of weeks and hope for another sub-$300 mirrorless deal.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on May 09, 2014, 01:13:49 AM
I have to brush up on the latest M4/3 models, so I'm not gonna answer that now...

The S110 is great, but if I were you I'd wait a couple of weeks and hope for another sub-$300 mirrorless deal.
1. Fair enough.

2. Sounds good.
I just wish I was able to justify spending $524 on the NEX-6...
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on May 09, 2014, 01:20:14 AM
Ha. If keeping a flash on the camera is a game changer, I wonder what they would call it when they figure out how to use off-camera flash. On the camera all it does is blast flat and unflattering light right at your subject. Take it off-camera, and you'll learn how to sculpt light, how to create feeling and mood...

But back to earth ;) - these days there's no real reason to shell out $$$ for the Canon. Get a Yongnuo or similar on Ebay and you'll get much more flash for your buck. A Yongnuo YN-560EX for instance is $94 and better than the Canon in many ways.
At that price I am more than game to try it out. Thanks for posting the model number I really appreciate it!!

 

Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on May 09, 2014, 01:24:33 AM
I have at least 5 Yongnuos (maybe more, I've lost count). The physical quality is not as nice as the Canon or Nikons, but they're pretty darn nice flashes.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on May 09, 2014, 01:36:00 AM
I have at least 5 Yongnuos (maybe more, I've lost count). The physical quality is not as nice as the Canon or Nikons, but they're pretty darn nice flashes.
Hey after all the money I have shelled out lately for this hobby I am more than happy to compromise on the physical quality. Why would you need so many?

On a separate note what's your take on the Lumix FZ200? It's focal length is 25 to 600mm with a constant f2.8. I am thinking of buying it for my upcoming safari and then reselling it after on ebay, unless I really like it.

The pros as I see it would be that I'll have a good second body from wide angle all the way up to 600mm and it should preform well in low light. Does that make sense or is f2.8 on a P and S not going to let in that much light? If you do think it makes sense perhaps I should rent the 100-400mm f5.6 in the end and in low light I can rely on the f2.8 on the Lumix which should really cover everything. If you really don't like the 100-400 then I think I'm going to go with the 70-200 f2.8 II with a 1.4x.


Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: jaywhy on May 09, 2014, 09:18:49 AM
Thanks!

Which M4/3 would you suggest that'll be at least as good as my t3i?

Although it probably makes sense in theory, I really can't see myself switching at this point. I can't imagine I'll be able to afford it.
It looks like I'll be able to upgrade my kit lens, get a decent small camera AND get a GoPro just for the amount it'll cost me to upgrade the basic lens on an M4/3...

On that note,What do you think of me getting the s110 as my backup? Is that my best option in that price range? Is there something a  little more expensive that I'd be much better off getting?
I switched from a t3i to a GX7 and love it.
GX7 is way better than the t3i in every way except battery life.
A couple of friends who have gotten GX7's love them too.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on May 09, 2014, 12:20:35 PM
I switched from a t3i to a GX7 and love it.
GX7 is way better than the t3i in every way except battery life.
A couple of friends who have gotten GX7's love them too.

GX7 is wonderful. I almost picked one up the other day.
I ended up going with the G6, a cheaper body of the same generation. If you want to save some money, the G6 is extremely similar in functionality (but not as cute and a much cheaper build quality). The G6 is actually the spiritual successor to the GH2 (which I happen to already own 2 of), so all those batteries and accessories are compatible with it. It was a no brainer, for me, but if I was very much on the edge between these 2 camera bodies. I picked this one up on a sale for $550, and threw a speedbooster on it to play with some vintage FD lenses.

Here's one a took a couple of days ago:
(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g205/mnrgilden/P1020439_zpsc2deaffe.jpg)

Faces are blurred because I did not ask the parents for permission to post.
 Lens is a 135mm F/2.8 FD that I picked up on ebay for about $7, on a speedbooster clone focal reducer from RJ Camera ($130 adapter), and a G6 Body for $550. The focal reducer gives me about a 1.3x crop, wider than APS-C but not quite full frame. On a regular adapter at 135mm and a micro 4/3 crop, this lens was really of limited use. Now its one of my favorites!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: RJ898 on May 09, 2014, 05:41:54 PM
and threw a speedbooster on it to play with some vintage FD lenses.



Is that what happened to my FD Lens Turbo?!?!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: jaywhy on May 09, 2014, 05:45:30 PM
Nice!
Loving the bokeh on that shot.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on May 11, 2014, 09:25:25 PM
Is that what happened to my FD Lens Turbo?!?!

Yes. I might have to keep this and buy you another one. :) This 135mm FD and Lens Turbo are my new favorite combo!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: notanonymous on May 15, 2014, 01:40:14 AM
I have not owned a P&S in over 5 years.  Among all of the advantages of the DSLR, one of the one's I have gotten most used to is the shutter response (especially with no flash).  How have the advances in the past few years been with the P&S?  Can I get one in the <$100 range with a decent shutter response?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on May 15, 2014, 01:47:46 AM
I have not owned a P&S in over 5 years.  Among all of the advantages of the DSLR, one of the one's I have gotten most used to is the shutter response (especially with no flash).  How have the advances in the past few years been with the P&S?  Can I get one in the <$100 range with a decent shutter response?

Simple answer? No.

They're better than they used to be, but nowhere near tolerable compared to DSLRs.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: notanonymous on May 15, 2014, 01:54:22 AM
Simple answer? No.

They're better than they used to be, but nowhere near tolerable compared to DSLRs.
We are going to E"Y this summer.  Last time we were there I lugged my DSLR around.  Not sure if I want to do the same.  Your thoughts on finding a good P&S for (probably) mostly action, or near-action (i.e. six kids not sitting still for poses) shots.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on May 15, 2014, 02:03:18 AM
We are going to E"Y this summer.  Last time we were there I lugged my DSLR around.  Not sure if I want to do the same.  Your thoughts on finding a good P&S for (probably) mostly action, or near-action (i.e. six kids not sitting still for poses) shots.

Mirrorless sounds like the thing for you.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: ChAiM'l on May 15, 2014, 03:48:27 AM
We are going to E"Y this summer.  Last time we were there I lugged my DSLR around.  Not sure if I want to do the same.  Your thoughts on finding a good P&S for (probably) mostly action, or near-action (i.e. six kids not sitting still for poses) shots.

Not in the <$100 range, but I have the Sony RX100 as my second camera and I love it. It has one of the largest P&S sensors out there, a good zoom range with a 1.8 aperture at it's widest, all in a very compact body.

Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on May 15, 2014, 01:12:45 PM
Not in the <$100 range, but I have the Sony RX100 as my second camera and I love it. It has one of the largest P&S sensors out there, a good zoom range with a 1.8 aperture at it's widest, all in a very compact body.

Yes, the RX100 is a crossover camera. Its much more similar to a DSLR/Mirrorless cam in features/function, only it just so happens to have a fixed zoom lens. They're great, if you can afford it. I'm under the impression that while smaller than a DSLR, they are similar in size to many of the compact mirrorless bodies these days.

Mirrorless sounds like the thing for you.
If you want something small, fast and relatively inexpensive, I concur with Fishy on the mirrorless front. My wife keeps an Olympus E-PL with a pancake 17mm f/2.8 lens in her purse. DSLR-comparable picture quality and shutter speed, but high-end P&S comparable size and price. I love the lens on the RX100 though. Its a thing of beauty.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: notanonymous on May 15, 2014, 01:14:37 PM
Thanks all.  I'll look at those options.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: DovtheBear on May 15, 2014, 01:50:10 PM
Is this (http://m.costco.com/.product.11746472.html?cm_sp=RichRelevance-_-itempageVerticalRight-_-CategorySiloedViewCP&cm_vc=itempageVerticalRight|CategorySiloedViewCP) the best I could get , in this price range, with a ball-head?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: karen on May 15, 2014, 02:23:19 PM
I plan to buy a compact point & shot camera. I looked at Amazon, the elph 520 gets 4 1/2 stars review, but 530 only get 3 1/2 review.  Should not elph 530 be better? Also what is difference between  'IS' and  'HS'? Thanks!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: RJ898 on May 16, 2014, 10:22:53 AM
The nex 6 is still $520
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: DovtheBear on May 16, 2014, 12:40:48 PM
What's the opinion on this (http://www.ebay.com/itm/OLYMPUS-E-PM2-White-Micro-Four-Thirds-Interchangeable-Lens-System-Camera-with-Si/301164437154?customid=4a39e558c6e54c049b17702eabfc3582&pub=5574652453&afepn=5337259887&campid=5337259887&pt=Digital_Cameras&hash=item461ecc9ea2&afepn=5337259887)?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on May 16, 2014, 05:20:36 PM
What's the opinion on this (http://www.ebay.com/itm/OLYMPUS-E-PM2-White-Micro-Four-Thirds-Interchangeable-Lens-System-Camera-with-Si/301164437154?customid=4a39e558c6e54c049b17702eabfc3582&pub=5574652453&afepn=5337259887&campid=5337259887&pt=Digital_Cameras&hash=item461ecc9ea2&afepn=5337259887)?
Is that without a lens? On Amazon I have seen it for 274 with a lens.

http://www.amazon.com/Olympus-E-PM2-Interchangeable-Digital-Camera/dp/B0096WDD3E
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: DovtheBear on May 16, 2014, 05:39:15 PM
Is that without a lens? On Amazon I have seen it for 274 with a lens.

http://www.amazon.com/Olympus-E-PM2-Interchangeable-Digital-Camera/dp/B0096WDD3E
It's unclear from the description if the lens is included or not. If it is, it's a good deal.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on May 16, 2014, 05:44:15 PM
It's unclear from the description if the lens is included or not. If it is, it's a good deal.

The part number listed is with the lens. It's not a bad deal, but I'm personally not so excited. I'd rather wait for another NEX deal, even if it'll be a bit more.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: DovtheBear on May 16, 2014, 05:46:05 PM
The part number listed is with the lens. It's not a bad deal, but I'm personally not so excited. I'd rather wait for another NEX deal, even if it'll be a bit more.
You're not excited about the camera or the price?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on May 16, 2014, 05:49:12 PM
You're not excited about the camera or the price?

The price is great. The camera is very good too, but all things considered you could do better with a NEX IMO. There are NEX deals often enough that I personally would wait.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: DovtheBear on May 16, 2014, 06:08:10 PM
The price is great. The camera is very good too, but all things considered you could do better with a NEX IMO. There are NEX deals often enough that I personally would wait.
Your opinion is basically all that counts, right now. :)
Wait it is.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: RJ898 on May 19, 2014, 12:39:10 PM
Great deal on a P+S

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ATE7W7G/?m=ATVPDKIKX0DER
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: DovtheBear on May 19, 2014, 03:33:57 PM
Refurbished D3200-$330 (http://m.ebay.com/itm?itemId=331205607468)
Anything to talk about?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on May 19, 2014, 03:50:49 PM
Refurbished 3200-$330 (http://m.ebay.com/itm?itemId=331205607468)
Anything to talk about?

Awesome deal, especially considering that it also comes with Lightroom.

I'm buying one for my brother now - thanks for the heads up!

Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: DovtheBear on May 19, 2014, 03:54:35 PM
Awesome deal, especially considering that it also comes with Lightroom.

I'm buying one for my brother now - thanks for the heads up!
Sure, my pleasure!
Title: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: YG on May 19, 2014, 04:34:03 PM
Refurbished D3200-$330 (http://m.ebay.com/itm?itemId=331205607468)
Anything to talk about?
Main site worthy?
Considering that it includes LR5 which retails for 120 (and is worth every penny and then some) you're getting a manufacturer refurb with a kit lens for 200 shipped.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: DovtheBear on May 19, 2014, 04:38:33 PM
Awesome deal, especially considering that it also comes with Lightroom.

I'm buying one for my brother now - thanks for the heads up!
Would you recommend it for me?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on May 19, 2014, 04:57:00 PM
Main site worthy?
Considering that it includes LR5 which retails for 120 (and is worth every penny and then some) you're getting a manufacturer refurb with a kit lens for 200 shipped.

I think so. You get tremendous bang for your buck.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on May 19, 2014, 04:57:42 PM
Would you recommend it for me?

It ain't no D300s, but I think you'll find it sufficient.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: zale on May 19, 2014, 05:30:29 PM
We are going to E"Y this summer.  Last time we were there I lugged my DSLR around.  Not sure if I want to do the same.  Your thoughts on finding a good P&S for (probably) mostly action, or near-action (i.e. six kids not sitting still for poses) shots.

Costco.com has an RX100 ii bundle. Not cheap but comes with a 90 day no questions asked return policy. Should give you plenty of time to see if you like it. (Will also probably drop in price due to the release of the RX100 iii).
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: DovtheBear on May 19, 2014, 06:16:48 PM
It ain't no D300s, but I think you'll find it sufficient.
Ordered, thanks!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: A European on May 19, 2014, 06:21:48 PM
Awesome deal, especially considering that it also comes with Lightroom.

I'm buying one for my brother now - thanks for the heads up!
How is that compared to the NEX6?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Ez on May 19, 2014, 08:04:58 PM
Sony NEX-5TL Compact Compact System Digital Camera+16-50mm & 55-210mm $599 @ Costco.

Link (http://www.costco.com/.product.100102211.html?catalogId=10701&langId=-1&storeId=10301&krypto=nH9btb%2BAJESF1uTGNXtvlyolQzTN5ddtq6GOe6MXAbK%2FHVBt8GgiiTVuDB2LOwNplNVmRZm%2F%2FOO%2B%0AnMv9jYIP%2FjMt3d%2B6yqpQhAiduEutGerq6uGQErfERKvv%2FY1FIElKPsypHeJamKdxUF1NxMvX1Gdr%0A6wkMzc9noh3EsqqO9N7sV4f3xlNmhTmtTT6VZmTt2%2FGt1umh762IptooHXpI7%2B9S%2BCCBrq6EfaTs%0AY%2BuR2ud2EqWnitFEbqt9f%2B3DkVUoaESnj6XEGGkof08as9RFHViwNj7bvVazqhRgJxdiS%2BwypG24%0AZB3uz7VVT5zMhOhV)

Deal, or nothing special?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: DovtheBear on May 20, 2014, 09:26:04 PM

Most generic batteries are just as good as the originals.
Nikon too?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on May 20, 2014, 09:45:12 PM
Nikon too?

Yup.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: DovtheBear on May 20, 2014, 10:07:39 PM
Yup.
Is there anything specific I should be looking for?
Many on eBay start from just a couple bucks and/but come from China and the like.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: askmoses on May 20, 2014, 10:39:04 PM
DOLICA DK-10 $38 on newegg now (Sells for $57.41 on amazon)
http://www.neweggflash.com/Product/N82E16830994398
Good bag for Nex6 and 2 lenses I want to get down the line (prob 55-210 zoom and a prime) or is it too big? Any other suggestions?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: DovtheBear on May 20, 2014, 11:30:55 PM
Refurbished Nikon D5200 $480 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nikon-D5200-DSLR-Camera-w-18-55mm-f-3-5-5-6G-VR-Black-Refurbished-1503-B/371063951032?customid=fef5915063904b5f8717d21b1113965f&pub=5574652453&afepn=5337259887&campid=5337259887&pt=Digital_Cameras&hash=item5665228eb8&afepn=5337259887)
Good deal?
Worth that much more than the D3200?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: DovtheBear on May 21, 2014, 11:15:41 AM
Ordered, thanks!
Got mine already.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: tbg on May 26, 2014, 11:33:18 PM
Hi I'm looking for a decent p&s camera for 100$- 150$. Does that exist? Any ideas?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: RJ898 on May 27, 2014, 07:37:17 AM
Elph 115 or 130
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: stam on May 27, 2014, 03:19:06 PM
Is this a good deal for NEX-6? And would a complete am haaretz to cameras be able to use this properly? Is NEX-5 better in any way?
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&sku=892146&Q=&ap=y&is=REG&A=details

How about this?
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&sku=910121&Q=&ap=y&is=REG&A=details

Thank you!


Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on May 27, 2014, 03:28:12 PM
It's a great price. Cheapest its ever been. And a great camera.
Title: Dan, Camera to use in Hawaii? Waterproof? (Deal request)
Post by: mikehoff0341 on May 28, 2014, 01:52:44 PM
Dan or anyone else for that matter;

Going to Hawaii in July, and I don't want to get an expensive camera, but I still want a great camera that has great resolution, and possibly waterproof.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Dan, Camera to use in Hawaii? Waterproof? (Deal request)
Post by: etech0 on May 28, 2014, 01:58:40 PM
If you already have a camera, you might want to try a DiCAPac waterproof case. I have one and am very happy with it.
Title: Re: Dan, Camera to use in Hawaii? Waterproof? (Deal request)
Post by: chucksterace on May 28, 2014, 02:02:55 PM
Please search before opening a new thread. IF you would have looked around you would have found that a thread already exists perfectly for your question.

I'll be nice and give you the link instead of making you search more - http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=28454.0.

PLEASE SEARCH BEFORE POSTING!!!!!


ETA: More searching would have found this (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=28454.msg702674#msg702674) post inside that thread
Panasonic TS20 ($129 Amazon, $99 B&H) is probably the best overall.

The Nikon S30 is $83 on Amazon, and the Fuji XP50 is $99, but both are far inferior cameras.

I've used and tested all of those, and I think the Panny is absolutely worth the extra cost (even if you're only buying it for occasional use).

Enjoy Kauai ;)
Title: Re: Dan, Camera to use in Hawaii? Waterproof? (Deal request)
Post by: mikehoff0341 on May 28, 2014, 02:18:13 PM
Please search before opening a new thread. IF you would have looked around you would have found that a thread already exists perfectly for your question.

I'll be nice and give you the link instead of making you search more - http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=28454.0.

PLEASE SEARCH BEFORE POSTING!!!!!


ETA: More searching would have found this (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=28454.msg702674#msg702674) post inside that thread

I'M SO SORRY CHUCKSTERACE, I'LL MAKE SURE TO SEARCH NEXT TIME BEFORE POSTING!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Yehuda57 on May 28, 2014, 08:15:12 PM
How up to date is the info in the wiki in terms of the difference between an SLR and mirrorless? Is speed still significantly less than a SLR in the mirrorless, and is video still as big a con for the low end SLRs?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: DovtheBear on May 28, 2014, 08:28:40 PM
How up to date is the info in the wiki in terms of the difference between an SLR and mirrorless? Is speed still significantly less than a SLR in the mirrorless, and is video still as big a con for the low end SLRs?
Speed, yes:

I have not owned a P&S in over 5 years.  Among all of the advantages of the DSLR, one of the one's I have gotten most used to is the shutter response (especially with no flash).  How have the advances in the past few years been with the P&S?  Can I get one in the <$100 range with a decent shutter response?

Simple answer? No.

They're better than they used to be, but nowhere near tolerable compared to DSLRs.

And I assume the same with the video.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Yehuda57 on May 28, 2014, 08:32:10 PM
Thanks, but that answer is for p&s, does the same apply to mirrorless?
Title: Re: Dan, Camera to use in Hawaii? Waterproof? (Deal request)
Post by: tuvz on May 29, 2014, 04:28:17 AM
If you have a smart phone try using a waterproof case/bag
You can buy them off Amazon or even at walmart for $5
Worked great for me
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on May 29, 2014, 08:27:04 AM
There is no age requirement, Do you have Chairmans club status?

Shutter lag on ML is almost the same as DSLRs these days. Focus speed is also much closer, especially on stationary subjects. For things that move fast (kid on bike, sports, bird in flight...) DSLRs are still better, but the very latest MLs (Sony a6000, Panasonic GH4) are closer than ever.

Video is still better on MLs from a practical standpoint.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Yehuda57 on May 29, 2014, 09:24:25 AM
Shutter lag on ML is almost the same as DSLRs these days. Focus speed is also much closer, especially on stationary subjects. For things that move fast (kid on bike, sports, bird in flight...) DSLRs are still better, but the very latest MLs (Sony a6000, Panasonic GH4) are closer than ever.

Video is still better on MLs from a practical standpoint.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: jaywhy on May 29, 2014, 09:35:25 AM
Shutter lag on ML is almost the same as DSLRs these days. Focus speed is also much closer, especially on stationary subjects. For things that move fast (kid on bike, sports, bird in flight...) DSLRs are still better, but the very latest MLs (Sony a6000, Panasonic GH4) are closer than ever.

Video is still better on MLs from a practical standpoint.
My GX7 with the Olympus 12-40 2.8 Pro focuses faster than any other camera I've ever used, including a 5D miii with various L lenses.
Love it!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: DovtheBear on May 29, 2014, 11:21:27 AM
Thanks, but that answer is for p&s, does the same apply to mirrorless?
Sorry. I misread your question.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: alpicone on May 29, 2014, 12:03:04 PM
For those of you with the NEX-6 when you are shooting in auto mode are you using the the P mode (Program Auto), i mode (Intelligent Auto) or i+ mode (Superior Auto)?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on May 29, 2014, 12:18:10 PM
For those of you with the NEX-6 when you are shooting in auto mode are you using the the P mode (Program Auto), i mode (Intelligent Auto) or i+ mode (Superior Auto)?

In plain English:

Auto = auto. The camera makes all decisions. If you don't agree, tough noggies.
Program = auto + user override. If you disagree with the camera's opinion, feel free to argue.
iA = auto + scene mode recognition. Same as auto, but actually knows what it's looking at and generally makes wiser choices than plain auto.
i+ = iA + shooting multiple images consecutively then combining the best parts of each into a single picture. This is all done automatically. Somewhat useful in very low light situations.

So -
If you want fully automated shooting use iA; if you want a bit of control use P.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: askmoses on May 29, 2014, 03:04:12 PM
What's annoying me about the NEX 6 is all the little icons and corrections it's doing for me in aperture priority (my preferred shooting mode). I don't know why they have on this stuff by default (e.g. Skin tone softening). I do like the size and camera overall but miss the simplicity of the 60d)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on May 29, 2014, 03:12:51 PM
What's annoying me about the NEX 6 is all the little icons and corrections it's doing for me in aperture priority (my preferred shooting mode). I don't know why they have on this stuff by default (e.g. Skin tone softening). I do like the size and camera overall but miss the simplicity of the 60d)

I believe these could be turned off, can't they?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: askmoses on May 29, 2014, 07:47:46 PM
I believe these could be turned off, can't they?
Yes I know. I just wish they didn't try to make it have a default point and shoot feel. I guess to each their own...
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on May 30, 2014, 02:56:38 AM
2 questions:

1) Any recommendations for goPro mounts/accessories? Based on the videos you've (Something Fishy) posted here it seems I'll generally be using it in a very similar manner to you.

2) Upgrading my (t3i 18-55mm) kit lens:
Looking at the 17-50mm f/2.8's, overall the user reviews are mostly very positive for all the lenses, however
many people seem to be complaining about focusing issues with the Sigma (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/689620-REG/Sigma_583101_17_50mm_F2_8_EX_DC.html), IIRC you've told me in the past that it's kind of hit or miss with Sigma, some of their lenses are great, some are lousy. Do all these complaints put this in the "shvach" category?

I'm not really sure what to make of the Tamron options, thought it seems some people are saying to go with the non-VC version (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/423714-REG/Tamron_AF016C700_17_50mm_f_2_8_XR_Di.html) over the VC one (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/652136-USA/Tamron_AFB005C700_SP_AF_17_50mm_f_2_8.html).

The Canon (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/425812-GREY/Canon_1242B002AA_EF_S_17_55mm_f_2_8_IS.html) seems to be the best of the lot, (though people seem to be complaining about the build quality,) it's also significantly more expensive.

I'm lost here, what do you suggest?


(Is the fact that'll I'll probably want to upgrade to a full frame camera some day enough of a reason to consider full frame lenses now?)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Centro on May 30, 2014, 11:05:41 AM
Nex-6 down to $519.99

 http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0096W1OKS/?tag=cl03f-20 (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0096W1OKS/?tag=cl03f-20)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: A European on June 02, 2014, 04:16:53 PM
Nex-6 down to $519.99

 http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0096W1OKS/?tag=cl03f-20 (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0096W1OKS/?tag=cl03f-20)
B&H is actually cheaper if you don't live in NY. (No taxes)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Dan on June 02, 2014, 04:19:34 PM
News to me.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on June 02, 2014, 04:20:57 PM
News to me.

Which part - taxes?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on June 02, 2014, 04:22:54 PM
Which part - taxes?
the part where he lives in one of the states that doesn't pay taxes to amazon...
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: alpicone on June 02, 2014, 04:38:18 PM
Nex-6 down to $519.99

 http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0096W1OKS/?tag=cl03f-20 (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0096W1OKS/?tag=cl03f-20)

Anyone have a recommendation for a neck strap for the Nex-6. The one that it comes with is very uncomfortable IMHO.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on June 02, 2014, 04:49:33 PM
Anyone have a recommendation for a neck strap for the Nex-6. The one that it comes with is very uncomfortable IMHO.

Try the r-strap. You'll never go back.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Dan on June 02, 2014, 05:01:17 PM
the part where the majority of US states doesn't pay taxes to amazon...
ftfy ;)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on June 02, 2014, 05:20:51 PM
ftfy ;)
are you sure that's still the case?
I may be wrong, but for some reason I was under the impression that between states with an "amazon tax" and those where they have warehouses etc the majority are now paying?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Dan on June 02, 2014, 05:23:05 PM
http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=468512
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on June 02, 2014, 05:54:14 PM
http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=468512
oh well, apparently I was wrong...

(Although back to the original point of amazon vs. B&h, I assume a vast majority of your readers are in states that are paying taxes on Amazon)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: DovtheBear on June 09, 2014, 03:51:05 PM
Refurb Nikon D5200 24MP Digital SLR w/ 18-55mm VR Lens-$399 Shipped (Adorama via Ebay) (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nikon-D5200-24-1MP-DSLR-Digital-SLR-Camera-w-18-55mm-f-3-5-5-6G-Black-VR-1503B-/331225228866?customid=85ffa7fc99284029826855f1ebd47507&pub=5574652453&afepn=5337259887&campid=5337259887&pt=Digital_Cameras&hash=item4d1e8fe642&afepn=5337259887)
And if you got the 4X Ebay bucks offer...
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on June 09, 2014, 04:27:41 PM
Refurb Nikon D5200 24MP Digital SLR w/ 18-55mm VR Lens-$399 Shipped (Adorama via Ebay) (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nikon-D5200-24-1MP-DSLR-Digital-SLR-Camera-w-18-55mm-f-3-5-5-6G-Black-VR-1503B-/331225228866?customid=85ffa7fc99284029826855f1ebd47507&pub=5574652453&afepn=5337259887&campid=5337259887&pt=Digital_Cameras&hash=item4d1e8fe642&afepn=5337259887)
And if you got the 4X Ebay bucks offer...

It's a good deal. Got one myself.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: DovtheBear on June 09, 2014, 04:28:50 PM
It's a good deal. Got one myself.
Never enough cameras, eh?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: notanonymous on June 09, 2014, 07:49:02 PM
Mirrorless sounds like the thing for you.
Would you mind providing a couple of model numbers you would recommend?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on June 09, 2014, 09:32:26 PM
2 questions:

1) Any recommendations for goPro mounts/accessories? Based on the videos you've (Something Fishy) posted here it seems I'll generally be using it in a very similar manner to you.

2) Upgrading my (t3i 18-55mm) kit lens:
Looking at the 17-50mm f/2.8's, overall the user reviews are mostly very positive for all the lenses, however
many people seem to be complaining about focusing issues with the Sigma (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/689620-REG/Sigma_583101_17_50mm_F2_8_EX_DC.html), IIRC you've told me in the past that it's kind of hit or miss with Sigma, some of their lenses are great, some are lousy. Do all these complaints put this in the "shvach" category?

I'm not really sure what to make of the Tamron options, thought it seems some people are saying to go with the non-VC version (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/423714-REG/Tamron_AF016C700_17_50mm_f_2_8_XR_Di.html) over the VC one (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/652136-USA/Tamron_AFB005C700_SP_AF_17_50mm_f_2_8.html).

The Canon (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/425812-GREY/Canon_1242B002AA_EF_S_17_55mm_f_2_8_IS.html) seems to be the best of the lot, (though people seem to be complaining about the build quality,) it's also significantly more expensive.

I'm lost here, what do you suggest?


(Is the fact that'll I'll probably want to upgrade to a full frame camera some day enough of a reason to consider full frame lenses now?)
bump
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on June 10, 2014, 06:58:03 AM
Never enough cameras, eh?

Nope :).

Although this one was for my BIL.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on June 10, 2014, 07:05:18 AM
Would you mind providing a couple of model numbers you would recommend?

Sony NEX 6 is an amazing value right now.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on June 10, 2014, 07:39:59 AM
2 questions:

1) Any recommendations for goPro mounts/accessories? Based on the videos you've (Something Fishy) posted here it seems I'll generally be using it in a very similar manner to you.

2) Upgrading my (t3i 18-55mm) kit lens:
Looking at the 17-50mm f/2.8's, overall the user reviews are mostly very positive for all the lenses, however
many people seem to be complaining about focusing issues with the Sigma (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/689620-REG/Sigma_583101_17_50mm_F2_8_EX_DC.html), IIRC you've told me in the past that it's kind of hit or miss with Sigma, some of their lenses are great, some are lousy. Do all these complaints put this in the "shvach" category?

I'm not really sure what to make of the Tamron options, thought it seems some people are saying to go with the non-VC version (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/423714-REG/Tamron_AF016C700_17_50mm_f_2_8_XR_Di.html) over the VC one (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/652136-USA/Tamron_AFB005C700_SP_AF_17_50mm_f_2_8.html).

The Canon (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/425812-GREY/Canon_1242B002AA_EF_S_17_55mm_f_2_8_IS.html) seems to be the best of the lot, (though people seem to be complaining about the build quality,) it's also significantly more expensive.

I'm lost here, what do you suggest?


(Is the fact that'll I'll probably want to upgrade to a full frame camera some day enough of a reason to consider full frame lenses now?)

1) The suction cup is a must have if you want to shoot out of a car, the head strap is great for first person POV (especially if worn by kids - you could get some amazing shots that way), the roll bar mount is good for bikes, ATVs, and many random things (think kayak paddle or grill fork), and the vented helmet mount could also be used as a wrist or leg mount.

You can also use something like  this (http://www.peakdesignltd.com/store/pov-pack) to attach it to a backpack (or any strap, really).

2) The Canon would obviously be the best, but also the must expensive. Otherwise the Sigma is your best bet (and yes, this is one of their good ones). The focusing issues you mention are related to speed, meaning that it's slower compared to the Canon. It'll still be pretty fast, but that's one of the tradeoffs you make when saving more than $1000.

Stay away from the Tamrons in this category; they all fall in the shvach-to-horrible range.

Regarding buying for full frame, unless you're planning on upgrading in the next two years (which quite frankly I don't see why you should), don't take that into account when buying a lens now. You could always sell your APS-C lenses when the time comes; they retain their value tremendously.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: notanonymous on June 10, 2014, 10:08:27 AM
Sony NEX 6 is an amazing value right now.
Sorry, I meant in the $100 range.  Or is that not possible with mirrorless?  If that is the case, any suggestions for a p&s?  My main camera will still be my dslr;
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on June 10, 2014, 10:37:33 AM
Sorry, I meant in the $100 range.  Or is that not possible with mirrorless?  If that is the case, any suggestions for a p&s?  My main camera will still be my dslr;

Nothing in your original question could be had for $100. The closest would be the S110 deal that was on the MS this week.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on June 10, 2014, 01:36:17 PM
2) Upgrading my (t3i 18-55mm) kit lens:
Looking at the 17-50mm f/2.8's, overall the user reviews are mostly very positive for all the lenses, however
many people seem to be complaining about focusing issues with the Sigma (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/689620-REG/Sigma_583101_17_50mm_F2_8_EX_DC.html), IIRC you've told me in the past that it's kind of hit or miss with Sigma, some of their lenses are great, some are lousy. Do all these complaints put this in the "shvach" category?

I'm not really sure what to make of the Tamron options, thought it seems some people are saying to go with the non-VC version (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/423714-REG/Tamron_AF016C700_17_50mm_f_2_8_XR_Di.html) over the VC one (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/652136-USA/Tamron_AFB005C700_SP_AF_17_50mm_f_2_8.html).

The Canon (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/425812-GREY/Canon_1242B002AA_EF_S_17_55mm_f_2_8_IS.html) seems to be the best of the lot, (though people seem to be complaining about the build quality,) it's also significantly more expensive.
(Is the fact that'll I'll probably want to upgrade to a full frame camera some day enough of a reason to consider full frame lenses now?)

Stay away from the Tamrons in this category; they all fall in the shvach-to-horrible range.

Actually, the non VC Tamron is quite awesome. I went through this very same dilemma when I started shooting Canon DSLR for video, and needed a constant aperture zoom that wouldn't break the bank.

The Sigma was good- it was actually better than the VC Tamron, but the non-VC trumps both in edge sharpness, especially wide open where the Sigma gets soft. I love my Tamron non-VC, its become my walk-around lens when shooting Canon, very highly recommend it! I almost bought a second one in Nikon mount so I can adapt it to my mirrorless cameras and keep iris control (Canon's iris is entirely electronic).

But instead, I went with the Tamron A09 model 28-75 f/2.8 with a speedbooster. Because that one actually has been compared to the Canon L of similar range- super sharp and a great deal used, and the Nikon version has a physical aperture wheel! Not sure why Something Fishy doesn't like the Tamrons- some of them have a cult-following (that 17-50 non-VC being one of them)! The new ones with VC aren't as impressive, so perhaps that's the reference point here.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on June 10, 2014, 01:40:06 PM
Sorry, I meant in the $100 range.  Or is that not possible with mirrorless?  If that is the case, any suggestions for a p&s?  My main camera will still be my dslr;

Closest you can get is a refurbished Olympus. My buddy bought the E-PL1 for about $130 body-only a couple of years ago. But then you need to buy a lens, or at least an adapter to use your DSLR lenses. Mirrorless might be marginally cheaper than a DSLR body, but its still more than a P&S!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: wayfe on June 11, 2014, 02:13:03 PM
Does anybody know if B&H or Adorama's 30 return policy allows for trying the camera out? Is it still in new condition if I try it out? I'm not buying with 100% intent to return- so no comments on whether this is right or not, please.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Centro on June 11, 2014, 02:19:52 PM
Why not give them a call?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: DovtheBear on June 11, 2014, 02:25:29 PM
Or chat.
Title: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: YG on June 11, 2014, 02:34:25 PM
Never done it with a body but I have returned several lenses to B&H after using them for a couple of weeks and deciding they weren't worthy investments for me at the time.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on June 11, 2014, 03:35:14 PM
Does anybody know if B&H or Adorama's 30 return policy allows for trying the camera out? Is it still in new condition if I try it out? I'm not buying with 100% intent to return- so no comments on whether this is right or not, please.

Can't talk for Adorama, but with B&H you'll have no problem returning it so long as it's in good condition (looks more or less new), has all the packaging and parts, and has less than 200 shutter acutations (not that I've ever seen them check that, but officially that's the rule).
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on June 11, 2014, 08:50:31 PM
Can't talk for Adorama, but with B&H you'll have no problem returning it so long as it's in good condition (looks more or less new), has all the packaging and parts, and has less than 200 shutter acutations (not that I've ever seen them check that, but officially that's the rule).
Slightly off topic I have been looking at used cameras and I noticed a lot of talk about shutter actuations. Why does that make a difference if the camera is in good condition? Is it just a way to see how much it was used or does it actually make a difference?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on June 11, 2014, 08:59:51 PM
Slightly off topic I have been looking at used cameras and I noticed a lot of talk about shutter actuations. Why does that make a difference if the camera is in good condition? Is it just a way to see how much it was used or does it actually make a difference?

Every DSLR has a rated shutter-actuation life. Once you go past a certain number it can't be considered as-new anymore.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: notanonymous on June 11, 2014, 09:03:30 PM
Nothing in your original question could be had for $100. The closest would be the S110 deal that was on the MS this week.

My OP...

I have not owned a P&S in over 5 years.  Among all of the advantages of the DSLR, one of the one's I have gotten most used to is the shutter response (especially with no flash). How have the advances in the past few years been with the P&S?  Can I get one in the <$100 range with a decent shutter response?

That was my question.  Which P&S has a good shutter/focus response? (a spec that is not advertised)

The mirrorless discussion was in response to someone's suggestion.  I guess they did not see my $100 price range.

I try to stay away from MIR, so the S110 is out.  I'll keep looking...
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on June 11, 2014, 09:23:21 PM
My OP...

That was my question.  Which P&S has a good shutter/focus response? (a spec that is not advertised)

The mirrorless discussion was in response to someone's suggestion.  I guess they did not see my $100 price range.

I try to stay away from MIR, so the S110 is out.  I'll keep looking...

Ah... I was responding to this:
We are going to E"Y this summer.  Last time we were there I lugged my DSLR around.  Not sure if I want to do the same.  Your thoughts on finding a good P&S for (probably) mostly action, or near-action (i.e. six kids not sitting still for poses) shots.

...which won't really be served as well with any ~$100 camera, but for what mirrorless is perfect.

In any case, that price range is practically rock-bottom, so as long as you get any decent P&S (for example an Canon Elph), the shutter/focus response should be around the best you could expect.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: notanonymous on June 12, 2014, 12:48:02 AM
Ah... I was responding to this:
...which won't really be served as well with any ~$100 camera, but for what mirrorless is perfect.

In any case, that price range is practically rock-bottom, so as long as you get any decent P&S (for example an Canon Elph), the shutter/focus response should be around the best you could expect.
Which I imagine is much, much faster than the last time I had/used a P&S 4+ years ago.

Thanks again!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on June 12, 2014, 01:08:33 AM
Which I imagine is much, much faster than the last time I had/used a P&S 4+ years ago.

Thanks again!

No question about that, you'll be pleasantly surprised.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: DovtheBear on June 16, 2014, 11:45:11 PM
Nikon 55-200mm F/4-5.6G ED AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor Lens - Factory Refurbished (http://www.buydig.com/shop/product.aspx?sdtid=6943458&sku=nk55200grb&ref=cj) $69
Nikon AF-S DX VR Zoom-Nikkor 55-200mm f/4-5.6G IF-ED Lens - Factory Refurbished (http://www.buydig.com/shop/product.aspx?sdtid=6943458&sku=NK55200VRBB&ref=cj) $99
Use code REFURB30

I assume it's worth the $30 for the VR?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on June 16, 2014, 11:48:51 PM
Nikon 55-200mm F/4-5.6G ED AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor Lens - Factory Refurbished (http://www.buydig.com/shop/product.aspx?sdtid=6943458&sku=nk55200grb&ref=cj) $69
Nikon AF-S DX VR Zoom-Nikkor 55-200mm f/4-5.6G IF-ED Lens - Factory Refurbished (http://www.buydig.com/shop/product.aspx?sdtid=6943458&sku=NK55200VRBB&ref=cj) $99
Use code REFURB30

I assume it's worth the $30 for the VR?

Absolutely.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: DovtheBear on June 16, 2014, 11:49:52 PM
Absolutely.
And can I stretch my assumption to it being a good deal? :)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on June 16, 2014, 11:55:10 PM
And can I stretch my assumption to it being a good deal? :)

Yup.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: DovtheBear on June 16, 2014, 11:59:22 PM
Yup.
Thank you.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on June 20, 2014, 09:39:47 AM
for the Canon t3i what speed should the memory card be?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on June 20, 2014, 10:06:32 AM
for the Canon t3i what speed should the memory card be?

I'd say at least 40MB/s.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Centro on June 20, 2014, 10:15:54 AM
for the Canon t3i what speed should the memory card be?



I'd say at least 40MB/s.
And make sure that's the writing speed and not the reading speed, you can be fooled sometimes.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on June 20, 2014, 10:22:58 AM
I'd say at least 40MB/s.
And make sure that's the writing speed and not the reading speed, you can be fooled sometimes.
does class determine the speed? someone told me to get class 10 or better.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on June 20, 2014, 10:25:47 AM
does class determine the speed? someone told me to get class 10 or better.

Read this
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=28108.msg663029#msg663029
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on June 20, 2014, 10:27:12 AM
Read this
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=28108.msg663029#msg663029
thank you!

eta - great write up and simple to understand. thanks again.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: notanonymous on June 24, 2014, 02:04:16 AM
Your thoughts?

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B3Y4F3U/?tag=cl03f-20

There is a seller that has it for $60.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on June 24, 2014, 08:27:03 AM
Your thoughts?

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B3Y4F3U/?tag=cl03f-20

There is a seller that has it for $60.

Meh.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: notanonymous on June 24, 2014, 08:58:40 AM
Meh.
Even for $60 as a second camera?

'Meh' is too technical for me.   ;)

Do you mind giving your review in non-techie jargon?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: askmoses on June 24, 2014, 09:00:21 AM
Personally I always thought the dual view feature was kind of dumb. You have your smartphone if your the selfie type...
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: notanonymous on June 24, 2014, 09:01:16 AM
Personally I always thought the dual view feature was kind of dumb. You have your smartphone if your the selfie type...
I am not buying it for that function.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on June 24, 2014, 09:06:54 AM
Even for $60 as a second camera?

'Meh' is too technical for me.   ;)

Do you mind giving your review in non-techie jargon?

Lol.

I'm a word - the camera is crap. Spend another $30 and get a Canon Elph.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on June 24, 2014, 12:37:30 PM
Lol.

I'm a word - the camera is crap. Spend another $30 and get a Canon Elph.

Exactly- with gimmicky cameras, especially if you don't really intend to use the gimmick- you're paying for more shtick and less camera. Pay for more camera.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on June 25, 2014, 12:41:29 AM
Going on a trip soon and wondering if I need a rocket blower if I plan on keeping the same lens on my camera the whole time. Also is the Giottos AA1910 medium blower decent?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on June 25, 2014, 12:46:07 AM
Going on a trip soon and wondering if I need a rocket blower if I plan on keeping the same lens on my camera the whole time. Also is the Giottos AA1910 medium blower decent?

A blower is one of the best things to have in your camera bag, even if you don't change lenses. I never leave home without it.

The Giottos you asked about is the gold standard.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on June 25, 2014, 12:59:11 AM
A blower is one of the best things to have in your camera bag, even if you don't change lenses. I never leave home without it.

The Giottos you asked about is the gold standard.
Thanks I am going to order it.

Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on June 26, 2014, 01:15:24 AM
A blower is one of the best things to have in your camera bag, even if you don't change lenses. I never leave home without it.

The Giottos you asked about is the gold standard.
Are there any other cleaning devices that you would say are a must have such as a soft brush etc. or will the blower cover me for the most part?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on June 26, 2014, 01:19:00 AM
Are there any other cleaning devices that you would say are a must have such as a soft brush etc. or will the blower cover me for the most part?

Hey a lenspen. This and a blower will cover you 99% of the time.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on June 26, 2014, 01:50:50 AM
Hey a lenspen. This and a blower will cover you 99% of the time.
Anything specific to look for? How about which brand?

Thank you
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on June 26, 2014, 02:30:24 AM
Anything specific to look for? How about which brand?

Thank you

As long as it looks like the original Lenspen you're good to go. They're sold under dozens of bands.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on June 26, 2014, 02:46:15 AM
As long as it looks like the original Lenspen you're good to go. They're sold under dozens of bands.
something like this?
http://www.target.com/p/endust-camera-lens-pen-white-11582/-/A-14177118
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on June 26, 2014, 03:13:04 AM
something like this?
http://www.target.com/p/endust-camera-lens-pen-white-11582/-/A-14177118

Precisely.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: DovtheBear on June 26, 2014, 11:57:35 AM
Sony Alpha NEX-6 16.1MP Mirrorless Digital Camera w/ 16-50mm f/3.5-5.6 Zoom Lens + 32GB SanDisk Ultra Class 10 UHS-1 SDHC Card $519.99 with Free Expedited Shipping (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/892146-REG/Sony_nex6l_b_Alpha_NEX_6_Mirrorless_Digital.html)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: EJB on June 26, 2014, 01:47:06 PM
Sony Alpha NEX-6 16.1MP Mirrorless Digital Camera w/ 16-50mm f/3.5-5.6 Zoom Lens + 32GB SanDisk Ultra Class 10 UHS-1 SDHC Card $519.99 with Free Expedited Shipping (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/892146-REG/Sony_nex6l_b_Alpha_NEX_6_Mirrorless_Digital.html)

Darn, could have saved on tax with this. Just got on amazon with the card for this price.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: RJ898 on July 02, 2014, 03:16:06 PM
Great sale on a starter P+S with full manual control and the option to shoot RAW

http://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/cameras/refurbished-powershot-digital-cameras/powershot-s100-black-refurbished?WT.mc_id=C126149
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: mek on July 02, 2014, 09:54:16 PM
Hello,

I'm shopping around for my first dslr and am looking to spend in the 500 range. Currently I've seen the t3i and the d3200 is there any advantage of one over the other that makes a difference? Thanks
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on July 02, 2014, 10:04:26 PM
Hello,

I'm shopping around for my first dslr and am looking to spend in the 500 range. Currently I've seen the t3i and the d3200 is there any advantage of one over the other that makes a difference? Thanks

Quite similar, not much of a real difference. Try them both out before, as they feel quite different operationally.

For $500 you could also consider the D5200 which is available refurbished at that price from time to time.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: mek on July 02, 2014, 10:12:36 PM
Quite similar, not much of a real difference. Try them both out before, as they feel quite different operationally.

For $500 you could also consider the D5200 which is available refurbished at that price from time to time.

As a complete beginner I would be able to tell the difference in operation?

Where is a good place to get it refurbished? I know you mentioned up thread to be careful of where you buy used from 
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on July 02, 2014, 10:15:42 PM
As a complete beginner I would be able to tell the difference in operation?

It's more like the feel of the camera and the button placements. It's a matter of personal taste. Again, nothing major, but worth a trip to the store.

 
Where is a good place to get it refurbished? I know you mentioned up thread to be careful of where you buy used from

Buydig and Adorama have them fairly often on eBay. Most are mentioned in this thread.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: mek on July 02, 2014, 10:19:27 PM
It's more like the feel of the camera and the button placements. It's a matter of personal taste. Again, nothing major, but worth a trip to the store.

 
Buydig and Adorama have them fairly often on eBay. Most are mentioned in this thread.

Ok thanks. In your opinion is it worth going for those whole kits with a bunch of lenses, filters, memory e.t.c that they always have on ebay or to start slow and buy as needed albeit at a possible higher price?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on July 02, 2014, 11:57:55 PM
Ok thanks. In your opinion is it worth going for those whole kits with a bunch of lenses, filters, memory e.t.c that they always have on ebay or to start slow and buy as needed albeit at a possible higher price?

No. These kits are garbage and there's a reason they're so cheap. The filters will deteriorate your pictures, the memory well eat them, etc. Rather wait till you know what you want and get the right thing.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: mek on July 06, 2014, 01:29:46 PM
Is this a good deal? Its ~100 cheaper than everywhere else though it doesnt have the manufacturers warranty

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nikon-D3200-24-2-MP-CMOS-Digital-SLR-18-55mm-f-3-5-5-6-AF-S-DX-VR-NIKKOR-Lens/171363336226?pt=Digital_Cameras&hash=item27e60d0022 
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on July 06, 2014, 01:42:12 PM
Is this a good deal? Its ~100 cheaper than everywhere else though it doesnt have the manufacturers warranty

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nikon-D3200-24-2-MP-CMOS-Digital-SLR-18-55mm-f-3-5-5-6-AF-S-DX-VR-NIKKOR-Lens/171363336226?pt=Digital_Cameras&hash=item27e60d0022

Dunno, it doesn't quite smell right. There are a few reason why a camera won't have a warranty - it not actually new (in which case the entire listing is a lie), it "fell off a truck", or it's 'gray market' (which is fine when disclosed, but in that case the seller must provide a warranty). In either case this listing seems shady.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: mek on July 06, 2014, 01:49:23 PM
Too good to be true deal I guess. If I go with B and H they give a memory card and a case so I guess that can offset part of the cost difference. They have it for 476
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Ez on July 06, 2014, 01:52:05 PM
Dunno, it doesn't quite smell right. There are a few reason why a camera won't have a warranty - it not actually new (in which case the entire listing is a lie), it "fell off a truck", or it's 'gray market' (which is fine when disclosed, but in that case the seller must provide a warranty). In either case this listing seems shady.
Isn't every eBay item warranty-less, even if it's new,
Doesn't a manufacturer require proof of purchases when claiming the warranty?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on July 06, 2014, 01:54:43 PM
Isn't every eBay item warranty-less, even if it's new,
Doesn't a manufacturer require proof of purchases when claiming the warranty?

This is sold by a store and you have a regular proof of purchase. Nikon doesn't care if eBay was involved.

Even if you buy from a private seller, the warranty is transferable.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Centro on July 07, 2014, 01:08:47 AM
Nex 6 is down again to $499 on amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0096W1OKS/?tag=cl03f-20 (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0096W1OKS/?tag=cl03f-20)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on July 07, 2014, 01:42:30 AM
Nex 6 is down again to $499 on amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0096W1OKS/?tag=cl03f-20 (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0096W1OKS/?tag=cl03f-20)
Crazy how it keeps on dropping.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Dan on July 07, 2014, 09:17:47 AM
Nex 6 is down again to $499 on amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0096W1OKS/?tag=cl03f-20 (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0096W1OKS/?tag=cl03f-20)
It's sold out/discontinued from B&H.
Grab it while you can...
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: mek on July 08, 2014, 12:46:53 AM
Ended up buying the nex 6 from amazon. Couldnt ignore the deal so I hope I can gain the same from it as I wouldve with the d3200. What Sd card is recommended? min 40 MB/s class 4?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: joey123 on July 08, 2014, 06:47:23 AM
I just bought the Canon EOS Rebel T3 SLR Digital Camera w/ 18-55mm & 75-300mm (bundle, printer, and rebate). @SomethingFishy, can you please recommend some books or articles to read about the type of camera that I bought, so I can maximize using all of its features?

TIA
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on July 08, 2014, 10:06:27 AM
Son Nex 5-T vs. the Nex 6?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on July 08, 2014, 10:49:04 AM
Son Nex 5-T vs. the Nex 6?

Much better and much more expensive, simple as that.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on July 08, 2014, 12:10:51 PM
Much better and much more expensive, simple as that.
Which?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on July 08, 2014, 12:30:57 PM
Which?

6
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Dan on July 08, 2014, 12:38:09 PM
Son Nex 5-T vs. the Nex 6?
Definitely the 6.
Viewfinder is just amazing, built in flash comes in handy as well. And I like the power zoom lens for it's size though others don't.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: mek on July 08, 2014, 02:34:28 PM
Much better and much more expensive, simple as that.

B and h has them for a $20 difference today
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on July 08, 2014, 04:33:22 PM
I'm in NEX heaven now ;D

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/09/e3udepy9.jpg)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: joey123 on July 08, 2014, 04:34:25 PM
I'm in NEX heaven now ;D

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/09/e3udepy9.jpg)

Wow. Looks like an obsession, or lets just call it a business. Quite a collection. Enjoy 'em.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on July 09, 2014, 12:06:46 AM
Wow. Looks like an obsession, or lets just call it a business. Quite a collection. Enjoy 'em.

These are for testing something at work.

Unfortunately I personally only own one.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on July 09, 2014, 12:17:00 AM
These are for testing something at work.

Unfortunately I personally only own one.
Do you really want to own so many? I would think less options is sometime easier - less decisions  :)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on July 09, 2014, 12:30:59 AM
Do you really want to own so many? I would think less options is sometime easier - less decisions  :)

Nah, you could never have too many cameras ;D
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on July 09, 2014, 01:20:40 AM
What's a good option for backing up photos during travel? Looking for something to both free up sd cards if they fill up and serve as a backup. Don't need anything fancy (i.e. not that expensive).
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on July 09, 2014, 01:46:18 AM
What's a good option for backing up photos during travel? Looking for something to both free up sd cards if they fill up and serve as a backup. Don't need anything fancy (i.e. not that expensive).

There are dedicated devices (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ns=p_PRICE_2%7c0&ci=3369&setNs=p_PRICE_2%7c0&N=4000227848&srtclk=sort) starting at $125. You could also stop in to most any pharmacy etc. and put it on a disk. Ultimately though the best option is simply a laptop.

I've been wanting to set up a Raspberry Pi solution for a while now, but it seems that error checking is close to impossible to set up, which would render backups useless...
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on July 09, 2014, 01:54:51 AM
There are dedicated devices (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ns=p_PRICE_2%7c0&ci=3369&setNs=p_PRICE_2%7c0&N=4000227848&srtclk=sort) starting at $125.
Going to be in remote locations so this would probably be my best bet. Won't be near any pharmacies and cloud wouldn't be an option either.

Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: DovtheBear on July 09, 2014, 02:07:43 AM
Going to be in remote locations so this would probably be my best bet. Won't be near any pharmacies and cloud wouldn't be an option either.
There are flash drives for smartphones.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on July 09, 2014, 02:19:42 AM
There are flash drives for smartphones.

How would that help him?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: DovtheBear on July 09, 2014, 02:38:30 AM
How would that help him?
If he's using a microSD card.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on July 09, 2014, 02:42:32 AM
If he's using a microSD card.

Very uncommon.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: DovtheBear on July 09, 2014, 02:46:00 AM
Very uncommon.
I do it.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on July 09, 2014, 09:53:23 AM
Very uncommon.
+1 I use regular sd cards.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: lubaby on July 09, 2014, 12:52:22 PM
Sears has the Canon Rebel T3 (http://www.sears.com/canon-12.2-megapixel-eos-rebel-t3-digital-slr/p-00353399000P?) for $299.

Plus earn $53 - $120 in SYWR points when logged in to SWY account.
Plus earn $20 - $25 extra  using code 10POINTS

I would get back $80 in SWYR points; people on SD are reporting up to $140.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on July 09, 2014, 01:16:30 PM
I'm in NEX heaven now ;D

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/09/e3udepy9.jpg)
don't be fooled by the white space ;)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Centro on July 09, 2014, 01:28:34 PM
I'm in NEX heaven now ;D

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/09/e3udepy9.jpg)
Wait a minute, take the Nex you used to take this photo and put it on the table as well and take a snapshot with your phone ;D
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: menotyou on July 11, 2014, 04:10:20 PM
can anyone tell me if this is a good idea/price for first time slr user? http://www.staples.com/Canon-EOS-Rebel-T3-Digital-SLR-Camera-Kit-w-18-55mm-IS/product_927344
I have a P&S and im going to the rockies and figured i should bring a better camera and i have alot of rewards + amex promo..
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: menotyou on July 11, 2014, 04:12:55 PM
can anyone tell me if this is a good idea/price for first time slr user? http://www.staples.com/Canon-EOS-Rebel-T3-Digital-SLR-Camera-Kit-w-18-55mm-IS/product_927344
I have a P&S and im going to the rockies and figured i should bring a better camera and i have alot of rewards + amex promo..
oops out of stock, any ideas? preferably carried in staples(price match...) $300-$350 range. Thanks
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: askmoses on July 12, 2014, 09:54:20 PM
oops out of stock, any ideas? preferably carried in staples(price match...) $300-$350 range. Thanks
personally I'd try to stretch it a little and go for the NEX 6. Well worth it IMO.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: menotyou on July 13, 2014, 12:59:51 AM
personally I'd try to stretch it a little and go for the NEX 6. Well worth it IMO.
youre talking about more than double $300 - 100 worth of discounts if i buy in staples, and they do not sell nex6
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: joey123 on July 13, 2014, 02:06:03 AM
Does anyone know of a good photography class that I can take for like a week to learn how to take advantage of my camera's features. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on July 14, 2014, 01:59:58 AM
Has anyone gotten the EF-S 10-18mm Canon lens yet? At 300 dollars seems like a good deal for the wide angle and was wondering what you guys thought. Also wondering if on my crop sensor how much of a difference there would be between 18mm which I already have on my kit lens and 10-18 which this would cover.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Joe4007 on July 14, 2014, 04:31:27 PM
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=43382.0

Is this worthwhile?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on July 14, 2014, 04:36:45 PM
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=43382.0

Is this worthwhile?

Amazing camera for that price.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Joe4007 on July 14, 2014, 04:41:29 PM
Amazing camera for that price.
Time to replace my Elph110 and start taking some real pictures...

Thanks.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: AJK on July 14, 2014, 06:39:32 PM
Amazing camera for that price.

But still doesn't trump the NEX 6, correct?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on July 14, 2014, 06:42:44 PM
But still doesn't trump the NEX 6, correct?

Not even close. For $200 I don't know if you could get a better camera at the moment, but the NEX 6 is far better.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: AJK on July 14, 2014, 06:56:05 PM
And now that the NEX 6 is heading toward obsolescence? Do we go for A6000?

ETA:

Quote
The a6000 is a really solid camera and is better than its predecessor in almost every respect - anyone worried about Sony cutting corners to hit a lower price point should be reassured that it has done so intelligently. The result is a really capable camera, offering impressive image quality in both Raw and JPEG modes, plus class-leading video features. That it then does so in a small, convenient, well featured and competitively priced package is what really seals the deal for us. It's strong in all areas and outstanding in some.

If you plan to shoot video as well as stills, this is the camera to buy in this class. If your focus is purely stills, things are a little less clear-cut, and the decision should probably come down to lenses: Sony's approach to its E-mount lens lineup doesn't seem as enthusiast orientated as those of Olympus or Fujifilm (with a bit more focus on consumer zooms than accessible primes), and the power zoom included here offers lots in terms of convenience and flexibility, but falls short on ultimate image quality. As such, more than usual, the a6000's full potential isn't truly realized without buying additional lenses but, if you're willing to make that commitment or can appreciate the a6000 kit as a really canny all-rounder, then you'll end up with a camera that's difficult to beat.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on July 14, 2014, 08:24:51 PM
And now that the NEX 6 is heading toward obsolescence? Do we go for A6000?

The main differences are the focusing system (the a6000 is FAR better for moving subjects), and the megapixels (24 vs. 16). Otherwise it's a pretty much incremental upgrade. Personally I don't think it's worth a $300 premium.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: mek on July 14, 2014, 08:58:37 PM
costco tripod back for 50 http://www.costco.com/.product.802732.html
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: mek on July 15, 2014, 12:01:26 PM
Just saw that you can get this http://www.focuscamera.com/dolica-gx650b204-proline-gx-series-65-inch-aluminum-tripod-and-ball-head-combo.html for 30 with code DEALNEWS30  is this better than the aforementioned costco one?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on July 17, 2014, 05:37:09 PM
Just saw that you can get this http://www.focuscamera.com/dolica-gx650b204-proline-gx-series-65-inch-aluminum-tripod-and-ball-head-combo.html for 30 with code DEALNEWS30  is this better than the aforementioned costco one?
the Costco one folds up much smaller.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: mek on July 17, 2014, 06:28:14 PM
the Costco one folds up much smaller.

Thanks. Went with the costco one. Seems to be the most popular on this thread
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on July 17, 2014, 08:24:07 PM
Thanks. Went with the costco one. Seems to be the most popular on this thread
I love it.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on July 18, 2014, 02:40:25 AM
Thanks. Went with the costco one. Seems to be the most popular on this thread
I love it.
The only problem I have with mine so far is that they use their own unique quick release system rather than one of the standards.
This has only become an issue for me very recently and may or may not ever be an issue for you.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Dan on July 18, 2014, 07:38:43 AM
An issue because?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on July 18, 2014, 09:11:02 AM
An issue because?

Most camera mounting accessories use something called the Arca-Swiss type locking system. This tripod looks just like Arca-Swiss, but is actually incompatible. This leads to issues when using common accessories, such as QR plates or other camera carrying systems.
Title: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: MC on July 20, 2014, 03:51:58 AM
Are there any recommended back up batteries for the NEX 6? Would rather not pay for a full price Sony one but I'm trying to avoid duds that will drain super fast.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: askmoses on July 20, 2014, 11:20:30 AM
Are there any recommended back up batteries for the NEX 6? Would rather not pay for a full price Sony one but I'm trying to avoid duds that will drain super fast.
Here is one that has great reviews on Amazon, is far cheaper and is not some off brand Chinese name.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00E9BUXJ4/?tag=cl03f-20
Here it is for a few $$$ cheaper on ebay
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NP-FW50-Lithium-Battery-for-Sony-Alpha-NEX-7-NEX-6-NEX-5N-NEX-5R-NEX-3N-NEX-F3-/350890183346?pt=Batteries_Chargers&hash=item51b2af4ab2
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Dan on July 20, 2014, 11:33:32 AM
I got this, no issues.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0049WBZEK/?tag=cl03f-20
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: monkey123 on July 21, 2014, 04:23:29 PM
Looking for best option for a camera between 400-500 Dollars!!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: MC on July 21, 2014, 04:29:44 PM
Looking for best option for a camera between 400-500 Dollars!!
The Sony NEX 6 is spoken very highly about in this thread, and is around that price now.
I've only had mine for a few months but I absolutely love it so far!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: mek on July 21, 2014, 04:40:10 PM
Looking for best option for a camera between 400-500 Dollars!!

Cannon is having a big sale today on refurbished cameras including the t3i for under 400. Check their site
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: DovtheBear on July 21, 2014, 06:16:53 PM
Cannon is having a big sale today on refurbished cameras including the t3i for under 400. Check their site
$336 (http://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/cameras/refurbished-eos-digital-slr-cameras/eos-rebel-t3i-ef-s-18-55mm-is-ii-lens-kit-refurbished?WT.mc_id=C126149)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: mek on July 21, 2014, 06:38:53 PM
$336 (http://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/cameras/refurbished-eos-digital-slr-cameras/eos-rebel-t3i-ef-s-18-55mm-is-ii-lens-kit-refurbished?WT.mc_id=C126149)

Thanks :)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: chucksterace on July 22, 2014, 12:08:47 AM
What is suggested for taking pictures of planes taking off or landing. Nighttime or daytime
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on July 22, 2014, 12:24:53 AM
What is suggested for taking pictures of planes taking off or landing. Nighttime or daytime

What as in what camera or what settings?

Pictures of planes or from planes?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: chucksterace on July 22, 2014, 12:28:11 AM
What as in what camera or what settings?

Pictures of planes or from planes?


As in which camera and/or what setting.. I don't have any camera now. (right now I am looking at the Pentax K-50 or Sony Nex-6, any good for this?)

At planes from the ground behind a fence.. Any interest in a Mini-Photography DO next week when I'm in town?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on July 22, 2014, 12:39:46 AM

As in which camera and/or what setting.. I don't have any camera now. (right now I am looking at the Pentax K-50 or Sony Nex-6, any good for this?)

At planes from the ground behind a fence.. Any interest in a Mini-Photography DO next week when I'm in town?

Any camera really would be good for this. The longer the lens the better too.

There are no specific settings. Your typical outdoor settings would all work well (low ISO, medium aperture, relatively fast shutter speed). At night you'll have a harder time, so you could either use your largest aperture, a high ISO, and whatever shutter gets the plane sharp, or you could use a tripod and go for light trails instead.

As far as a DO is really hard for me to say. I may be in the mountains, and I may be going to check out apartments (still no luck finding something). Remind me in the DO thread on Friday/Motzei Shabbos and we'll see.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: chucksterace on July 22, 2014, 12:42:31 AM
Any camera really would be good for this. The longer the lens the better too.

There are no specific settings. Your typical outdoor settings would all work well (low ISO, medium aperture, relatively fast shutter speed). At night you'll have a harder time, so you could either use your largest aperture, a high ISO, and whatever shutter gets the plane sharp, or you could use a tripod and go for light trails instead.

As far as a DO is really hard for me to say. I may be in the mountains, and I may be going to check out apartments (still no luck finding something). Remind me in the DO thread on Friday/Motzei Shabbos and we'll see.

Will do. With regards to those two cameras which is better? As for the shutter speed, is that a camera setting or one camera better then the other? (I don't know anything about cameras)

I do more outside shooting then indoor.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on July 22, 2014, 12:50:15 AM
Will do. With regards to those two cameras which is better? As for the shutter speed, is that a camera setting or one camera better then the other? (I don't know anything about cameras)

I do more outside shooting then indoor.

Personally I'd go for the Sony. Shutter speed is a setting, and is available on anything other than low-level point and shoots.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: chucksterace on July 22, 2014, 12:51:15 AM
Personally I'd go for the Sony. Shutter speed is a setting, and is available on anything other than low-level point and shoots.

alrighty  thanks. will pm you later in the week
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on July 24, 2014, 02:33:37 PM
A blower is one of the best things to have in your camera bag, even if you don't change lenses. I never leave home without it.

The Giottos you asked about is the gold standard.
Any good reason to go for the medium (or large) over the small?

Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on July 24, 2014, 02:49:49 PM
Any good reason to go for the medium (or large) over the small?

Believe it or not I've conducted experiments about this (it was a really slow day at work :P). There is a significant difference between the small and medium, but no discernable difference between the medium and large.

I find the small too weak sometimes, so I'd suggest go with the medium.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on July 24, 2014, 02:57:50 PM
Believe it or not I've conducted experiments about this (it was a really slow day at work :P). There is a significant difference between the small and medium, but no discernable difference between the medium and large.

I find the small too weak sometimes, so I'd suggest go with the medium.
Thanks.
I just ordered the medium, hopefully it'll fit in my bag.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: AJK on July 24, 2014, 06:56:13 PM
Lucky is in the market for a new camera and posted asking for recommendations.

Comments are littered with recommendations for the Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX100 III.

SF, thoughts?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on July 24, 2014, 06:59:48 PM
Lucky is in the market for a new camera and posted asking for recommendations.

Comments are littered with recommendations for the Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX100 III.

SF, thoughts?

It's a great camera, you can't go wrong with it. Tiny and amazing quality.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: ChAiM'l on July 24, 2014, 07:11:24 PM
Lucky is in the market for a new camera and posted asking for recommendations.

Comments are littered with recommendations for the Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX100 III.

SF, thoughts?
I have the first version of it (as a second camera) and I love it.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: AJK on July 24, 2014, 07:23:31 PM
But it doesn't compare to a mirrorless still, say compared to the a6000?

The reviews are rather stellar:

Quote
In some respects it's easy to draw a conclusion about the RX100 III: it provides better image quality than any camera its size ever has. Add to this an impressive and comprehensive feature set and it looks like the very definition of a stand-out camera. And yet... While Sony has made great strides beyond what was already a hugely capable camera, it has done very little to make it fun to shoot with. In terms of shooting experience, the RX100 III continues to feel more like a camera that will somewhat grudgingly let you take control, rather than an enthusiast camera designed for the committed photographer from the ground up.

However, the breadth of the M3's capabilities, from its bright, flexible lens and handy viewfinder, through to its class-defining image quality and well-supported, high-quality video capture mean there's nothing to really match it. And if you mainly shoot in P or Auto mode, you may never experience our frustrations about the handing. The RX100 series has always been technically impressive, but the addition of the brighter lens, viewfinder and ND filter extend its utility to a huge degree. Owners of its predecessors should seriously consider upgrading unless they need more zoom reach.

Our concerns about the handling leave us concluding that, if it had a credible rival, there's every chance the RX100 M3 wouldn't get a Gold award - we'd like a more enjoyable shooting experience from an $800 camera. Ultimately, though, the additions to what were already the strongest cameras in their class leave the RX100 III literally peerless. At which point it has to go one better than its predecessors, and receive our highest award.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on July 24, 2014, 07:28:53 PM
But it doesn't compare to a mirrorless still, say compared to the a6000?

The reviews are rather stellar:

Same sensor as a mirrorless, but without the flexibility of different lenses and accessories. It's still a point and shoot at the end of the day.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on July 29, 2014, 01:38:27 PM
I bought 2 filters for my 58mm thread lens and now I want to get an ND grad filter as well. Is it worth buying that for my lens or I am better off buying into a system like Lee which can work with any thread size - assuming I just buy a large adapter and a step down piece to connect my different size lenses.

Another benefit of Lee is the big stopper and I was curious if there is a comparable product for less money out there.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on July 29, 2014, 01:51:13 PM
I bought 2 filters for my 58mm thread lens and now I want to get an ND grad filter as well. Is it worth buying that for my lens or I am better off buying into a system like Lee which can work with any thread size - assuming I just buy a large adapter and a step down piece to connect my different size lenses.

Another benefit of Lee is the big stopper and I was curious if there is a comparable product for less money out there.

Thanks!

Easy answer - generally not a good idea.

Tell me what lens you have and I'll give you a more detailed answer.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on July 29, 2014, 02:46:32 PM
Easy answer - generally not a good idea.

Tell me what lens you have and I'll give you a more detailed answer.
Thanks!

I have the following Canon lenses -
18-55mm  58mm filter thread
50mm       52mm filter thread
100-400    77mm filter thread
10-18mm  67mm filter thread (the lens is on it's way)

I plan to sell the 100-400 and buy either the 70-200 f4 or f2.8 which is either 67mm or 77mm. Likely will go with the f4 (67mm).
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: joey123 on July 30, 2014, 03:04:03 PM
Paging @SomethingFishy

I see this on sale on eBay Lytro Light Field Camera, 8GB. What are your thoughts? DO these work well?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/291195531300

TIA. More curiosity than actually interested in buying as I have the camera you recommended to me already.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on July 30, 2014, 03:15:50 PM
Paging @SomethingFishy

I see this on sale on eBay Lytro Light Field Camera, 8GB. What are your thoughts? DO these work well?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/291195531300

TIA. More curiosity than actually interested in buying as I have the camera you recommended to me already.

It's a cool toy. When the excitement wears off after a week, you're left with a pretty lousy camera.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Dan on July 30, 2014, 03:57:48 PM
Seems like an awesome deal for a T5i:
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/48549
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on July 31, 2014, 04:32:22 PM
SF, pop quiz for you.

What Nikon bodies have screw-drive AF versus ones that don't?

I have some really nice vintage lenses that supposedly will autofocus with the right body. Apparently a D5100 is NOT the right body (BIM lenses only!). Which ones should I be looking at?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on July 31, 2014, 04:39:01 PM
SF, pop quiz for you.

What Nikon bodies have screw-drive AF versus ones that don't?

I have some really nice vintage lenses that supposedly will autofocus with the right body. Apparently a D5100 is NOT the right body (BIM lenses only!). Which ones should I be looking at?

D90/D7xxx and above.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on July 31, 2014, 04:49:01 PM
D90/D7xxx and above.

Ah, so basically the 5xxx and 3xxx are the only ones that dont?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on August 01, 2014, 12:14:26 AM
Ah, so basically the 5xxx and 3xxx are the only ones that dont?

Its a shame, really. The 5xxx series has become a rather unsung hero in DSLR video- the codec and sensor are capturing more DR and detail than most other DSLR-in-movie-mode options, and the articulating screen makes the ergonomics better suited. I was hoping I could pick one up as a hybrid cam to compliment my current setup (m4/3 video cameras and Canon EOS still shooters) so I can actually make use of the AF ability on some of these for stills while still being an impromptu video cam (my bread and butter).

Looks like my cheapest option for screw-drive focusing is a used D90, right? That's a bit outdated sensor-wise and had awful video recording. Next up pricewise is a used D7000? Its a bit more than I'm interested in spending (looking originally at a D5xxx), but its not terrible. Nothing in between that I'm missing, right? Maybe an older body that was a well-kepy secret, like the Canon 50D was (50D was a better built camera with the same chip as the 60D, but cheaper because its an "older" model).
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on August 01, 2014, 01:00:34 AM
Ah, so basically the 5xxx and 3xxx are the only ones that dont?

Also the old Dxx.

I got the D90 right when it came out. It was the first DSLR ever with video and the video was as lousy as you'd expect. Used or refurb D7xxx are always available, and you might want to consider a D300s (still current for some reason, but also widely available as used).
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on August 01, 2014, 01:14:05 AM
Thanks!

I have the following Canon lenses -
18-55mm  58mm filter thread
50mm       52mm filter thread
100-400    77mm filter thread
10-18mm  67mm filter thread (the lens is on it's way)

I plan to sell the 100-400 and buy either the 70-200 f4 or f2.8 which is either 67mm or 77mm. Likely will go with the f4 (67mm).

Advantages of Lee: Less filters to carry around, ability to position the horizon line on a grad wherever you want, compatibility with the Big Stopper.

Disadvantages of Lee: Large, cumbersome, and finicky. You will need to use the largest filters for all your lenses. Polarizers are a major pain. Often much more expensive than regular ones. Quality is usually inferior (glass vs. resin, coatings, etc.). More prone to flare. Will be fingerprint-covered in no time. The Big Stopper is the holy grail of filters and is never in stock.

My suggestion: Think long and hard which filters you'd use on which lenses. Do you really need an ND grad on the 100-400? Would you ever use a dark ND such as the Big Stopper on the 18-55? Don't invest in a system for "everything" when you'll never use it for everything. Either get the filters you need for the lenses you need, or get the largest you need and use step-down rings to get it onto the smaller lenses. Even with a step ring, it'll be smaller and simpler (and most likely cheaper) than a Lee system.

The only thing the Lee system does that can't be done by traditional filters is the ability to move the horizon line on a grad.

Regarding an alternative to the Big Stopper, there are lots of dark NDs out there. Hoya makes a great one, and even the Tiffen is quite good. You could get them up to 10 stops. Or better yet (if you could afford it), get a vari-ND.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on August 01, 2014, 10:44:59 AM
Advantages of Lee: Less filters to carry around, ability to position the horizon line on a grad wherever you want, compatibility with the Big Stopper.

Disadvantages of Lee: Large, cumbersome, and finicky. You will need to use the largest filters for all your lenses. Polarizers are a major pain. Often much more expensive than regular ones. Quality is usually inferior (glass vs. resin, coatings, etc.). More prone to flare. Will be fingerprint-covered in no time. The Big Stopper is the holy grail of filters and is never in stock.

My suggestion: Think long and hard which filters you'd use on which lenses. Do you really need an ND grad on the 100-400? Would you ever use a dark ND such as the Big Stopper on the 18-55? Don't invest in a system for "everything" when you'll never use it for everything. Either get the filters you need for the lenses you need, or get the largest you need and use step-down rings to get it onto the smaller lenses. Even with a step ring, it'll be smaller and simpler (and most likely cheaper) than a Lee system.

The only thing the Lee system does that can't be done by traditional filters is the ability to move the horizon line on a grad.

Regarding an alternative to the Big Stopper, there are lots of dark NDs out there. Hoya makes a great one, and even the Tiffen is quite good. You could get them up to 10 stops. Or better yet (if you could afford it), get a vari-ND.

Thanks!!

Totally hear you about the Lee system, many of my pics are taking during travel so the large and cumbersome issue will be very strong for me. Found on Amazon a Hoya 10 stop ND with multi coating for 60 dollars so that's not to bad at all.

I am thinking of perhaps going with 2 systems, 58mm filters for my 58 and 52mm threads, for which I have a CPL and 4 stop ND filter. Agreed I likely wouldn't use the 10 stop ND on my 18-55.

And as my needs increase (when I trade the 100-400 for the 70-200mm f4 and for the 10-18mm) I will buy either 67mm or 77mm filters for the larger ones with step up rings. For the 100-400 I don't really want any filters on it as it's so slow and I am just using it for wildlife. I really want the 10 stop ND to be compatible with the UWA.

What's your take on sunset filters? Do they really enhance the colors and do you use them?

Thank you!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on August 01, 2014, 11:47:50 AM
Thanks!!

Totally hear you about the Lee system, many of my pics are taking during travel so the large and cumbersome issue will be very strong for me. Found on Amazon a Hoya 10 stop ND with multi coating for 60 dollars so that's not to bad at all.

I am thinking of perhaps going with 2 systems, 58mm filters for my 58 and 52mm threads, for which I have a CPL and 4 stop ND filter. Agreed I likely wouldn't use the 10 stop ND on my 18-55.

And as my needs increase (when I trade the 100-400 for the 70-200mm f4 and for the 10-18mm) I will buy either 67mm or 77mm filters for the larger ones with step up rings. For the 100-400 I don't really want any filters on it as it's so slow and I am just using it for wildlife. I really want the 10 stop ND to be compatible with the UWA.

What's your take on sunset filters? Do they really enhance the colors and do you use them?

Thank you!

Good idea regarding getting two sizes. That Hoya is a great filter.

There are two types of sunset filters. One is sometimes called a reverse grad, and is basically a n ND grad with a darker middle, so something like 1 stop on top, three in the middle, and zero on the bottom. These work the same as a regular grad, but are more suited to sunsets with the sun closer to the horizon. The other type is typically a color grad, being clear on the bottom and orange or pinkish on the top.

The answer is simple. There are only two types of filters that cannot be done in post, and these are the polarizer and the ND (both regular and grad). If you're talking about the sunset ND, then yes, it's a good tool to have (although I personally don't use it). The color grads were made for film and are worthless in the digital age. Without a filter you can add any color you like later on, but if you shot with a color filter there's no way of getting rid of it in post.
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Post by: Fan of Dan on August 01, 2014, 12:25:01 PM
Good idea regarding getting two sizes. That Hoya is a great filter.

There are two types of sunset filters. One is sometimes called a reverse grad, and is basically a n ND grad with a darker middle, so something like 1 stop on top, three in the middle, and zero on the bottom. These work the same as a regular grad, but are more suited to sunsets with the sun closer to the horizon. The other type is typically a color grad, being clear on the bottom and orange or pinkish on the top.

The answer is simple. There are only two types of filters that cannot be done in post, and these are the polarizer and the ND (both regular and grad). If you're talking about the sunset ND, then yes, it's a good tool to have (although I personally don't use it). The color grads were made for film and are worthless in the digital age. Without a filter you can add any color you like later on, but if you shot with a color filter there's no way of getting rid of it in post.

Is there a way to achieve the grad nd in post using 3 exposures kind of like an HDR effect or it won't come out as good as in camera? I know many people are into doing it all in camera vs, post however pushing aside the camera purist philosophy is there an actual difference in the final image?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on August 01, 2014, 12:32:51 PM
Is there a way to achieve the grad nd in post using 3 exposures kind of like an HDR effect or it won't come out as good as in camera? I know many people are into doing it all in camera vs, post however pushing aside the camera purist philosophy is there an actual difference in the final image?

It's not gonna be as good. With a top of the line full-frame camera you could get close, but it still won't be the same.
Title: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: YG on August 01, 2014, 12:52:16 PM
The answer is simple. There are only two types of filters that cannot be done in post, and these are the polarizer and the ND (both regular and grad).
Doesn't a regular ND filter just uniformly decrease exposure by absorbing light evenly?

Why can't that be done in post with the exposure slider?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on August 01, 2014, 12:57:38 PM
Doesn't a regular ND filter just uniformly decrease exposure by absorbing light evenly?

Why can't that be done in post with the exposure slider?
You can't slow down the shutter speed in post if that was your desired effect.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: DovtheBear on August 03, 2014, 04:47:44 AM
Cannon is having a big sale today on refurbished cameras including the t3i for under 400. Check their site

$336 (http://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/cameras/refurbished-eos-digital-slr-cameras/eos-rebel-t3i-ef-s-18-55mm-is-ii-lens-kit-refurbished?WT.mc_id=C126149)
Alive again.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: joey123 on August 03, 2014, 11:02:55 AM
What say @somethingfishy about this deal.

Nikon D5200 Digital SLR Camera Body w 4 Lens Complete DSLR 24GB VALUE KIT

http://www.ebay.com/itm/171281856130

$779.95
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Tzadik Nistar on August 03, 2014, 05:49:02 PM
Selling
Canon Rebel T3i
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004J3V90Y?ie=UTF8&at=&force-full-site=1&ref_=aw_bottom_links

EF 75-300 mm lens
http://www.amazon.com/Canon-75-300mm-4-5-6-Telephoto-Cameras/dp/B00004THD0/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1403218610&sr=1-1&keywords=ef+75-300+lens

Brand new sealed in the box
$500
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: joey123 on August 03, 2014, 05:53:41 PM

Selling
Canon Rebel T3i
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004J3V90Y?ie=UTF8&at=&force-full-site=1&ref_=aw_bottom_links

EF 75-300 mm lens
http://www.amazon.com/Canon-75-300mm-4-5-6-Telephoto-Cameras/dp/B00004THD0/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1403218610&sr=1-1&keywords=ef+75-300+lens

Brand new sealed in the box
$500
should really go into 'goods for same or trade. People would find it anyway
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on August 03, 2014, 06:18:56 PM
Alive again.
If anybody is looking for a telephoto lens, they have 55-250 IS (refurb) for only $120!
This is an excellent price for this lens.

http://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/lenses-flashes/refurbished-lenses/ef-s-55-250mm-f-4-56-is-ii-refurbished-25643-1
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Achas Veachas on August 05, 2014, 01:14:50 PM
In the GoPro HERO3+ is there a difference between the black, silver and white editions other than the color? The difference in price on Amazon is huge.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on August 05, 2014, 01:16:54 PM
In the GoPro HERO3+ is there a difference between the black, silver and white editions other than the color? The difference in price on Amazon is huge.

The black is the top model and the silver is more or less equivalent to the 3 black. The white is an even lower speced version.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: moish on August 07, 2014, 06:16:25 AM
any good deals out there for the 70d?
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Post by: mek on August 10, 2014, 11:23:49 AM
due to the high cost of even used sony e mount lenses is it worth it to get something like this http://www.ebay.com/itm/Auto-Focus-EOS-NEX-EF-EMOUNT-FX-for-Canon-EF-S-Lens-to-Sony-E-Mount-NEX-A7-A7R/321443328141?_trksid=p2050601.c100085.m2372&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140211132617%26meid%3D8937442723709493069%26pid%3D100085%26prg%3D20140211132617%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D321443328141%26clkid%3D8937444600140843944&_qi=RTM1562569

and I would be able to buy cheap used or refurbished canon lenses which are cheaper?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: joey123 on August 11, 2014, 02:50:50 PM
What say @SomethingFishy about this deal?

Nikon D3200 24.2 MP CMOS Digital SLR Camera with 18-55mm VR Lens Refurbished

319.99

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nikon-D3200-24-2-MP-CMOS-Digital-SLR-Camera-with-18-55mm-VR-Lens-Refurbished/301273650465?pt=Digital_Cameras&hash=item46254f1521
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: DovtheBear on August 11, 2014, 04:16:33 PM
What say @SomethingFishy about this deal?

Nikon D3200 24.2 MP CMOS Digital SLR Camera with 18-55mm VR Lens Refurbished

319.99

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nikon-D3200-24-2-MP-CMOS-Digital-SLR-Camera-with-18-55mm-VR-Lens-Refurbished/301273650465?pt=Digital_Cameras&hash=item46254f1521
AFAIK, it's a solid deal.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: ilherman on August 11, 2014, 04:17:47 PM
Even for refurbished?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: DovtheBear on August 11, 2014, 04:35:43 PM
Even for refurbished?
Yup.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on August 12, 2014, 06:19:59 PM
Have been looking for a 10 stop ND filter and found this one on Ebay for 40 dollar. 20 less then Amazon. Any reason not to go with it?
Also what's the easiest way to calculate the new shutter speed after mounting the filter?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/261429625047
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: sarasherman on August 13, 2014, 03:14:26 PM
Going to Hawaii next week, looking for an affordable mirrorless camera with good auto-mode quality and a flip up screen for selfie capability. Any suggestions? Looking for something better for portrait shots more so than nature shots.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: noturbizniss on August 17, 2014, 01:19:27 PM
Thinking of replacing the 18-55mm kit lens on my t3i and the 70-300mm f/4-5.6 with this Tamron 16-300mm http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1029404-REG/tamron_16_300mm_f_3_5_6_3_di_ii.html (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1029404-REG/tamron_16_300mm_f_3_5_6_3_di_ii.html)
Mostly using it for my kids and family stuff.  Other than costing a bit more (will sell my current lenses) any reason not to go for it?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: noturbizniss on August 17, 2014, 01:23:14 PM
Have been looking for a 10 stop ND filter and found this one on Ebay for 40 dollar. 20 less then Amazon. Any reason not to go with it?
Also what's the easiest way to calculate the new shutter speed after mounting the filter?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/261429625047
Assuming your aperture and ISO remain the same, you would just take the shutter speed and divide it by by 2^9 or about 500. so if you put it on and were at a shutter speed of 1 second you could then use 1/500. if you were at 1/50 you could use 1/2500 and so on.
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Post by: noturbizniss on August 18, 2014, 06:46:19 PM
Thinking of replacing the 18-55mm kit lens on my t3i and the 70-300mm f/4-5.6 with this Tamron 16-300mm http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1029404-REG/tamron_16_300mm_f_3_5_6_3_di_ii.html (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1029404-REG/tamron_16_300mm_f_3_5_6_3_di_ii.html)
Mostly using it for my kids and family stuff.  Other than costing a bit more (will sell my current lenses) any reason not to go for it?
any opinions?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: noturbizniss on August 19, 2014, 05:19:29 PM
Looking into getting a wide angle for my T3i.  mostly to be used for family pictures and landscapes.  My 3 choices areCanon EF-s 10-22mm (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0002Y5WXE/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=3QD49V277A4ML&coliid=I2UC90A4SUMPHV), the Tamron AF 10-24MM (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001G7PIBC/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=3QD49V277A4ML&coliid=I1IK1LMW3PTKQW&psc=1) or the Sigma 8-16mm (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003G20AAE/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=3QD49V277A4ML&coliid=I2BDB3TI2U7GBX&psc=1). 
From what I've read, the Canon is better in most every way than the Tamron. The only thing that pushes me to the Sigma is the extra 2mm of Focal Range seems like it might be very useful, but I'm not sure about quality. If I do get this I will likely also be getting the Tamron 16-300, so I'd have all ranges covered.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on August 21, 2014, 06:21:57 PM
Have been looking for a 10 stop ND filter and found this one on Ebay for 40 dollar. 20 less then Amazon. Any reason not to go with it?
Also what's the easiest way to calculate the new shutter speed after mounting the filter?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/261429625047

That's a 9-stop, not 10 (not a huge difference, but something to be aware of).

Good deal if it is in fact a Hoya.

There are countless smartphones apps which will do the math for you.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on August 21, 2014, 06:28:21 PM
Thinking of replacing the 18-55mm kit lens on my t3i and the 70-300mm f/4-5.6 with this Tamron 16-300mm http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1029404-REG/tamron_16_300mm_f_3_5_6_3_di_ii.html (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1029404-REG/tamron_16_300mm_f_3_5_6_3_di_ii.html)
Mostly using it for my kids and family stuff.  Other than costing a bit more (will sell my current lenses) any reason not to go for it?

Yes, it is a far inferior lens to your current combo. You gain in convenience but you lose a lot of quality.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on August 21, 2014, 06:29:49 PM
Looking into getting a wide angle for my T3i.  mostly to be used for family pictures and landscapes.  My 3 choices areCanon EF-s 10-22mm (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0002Y5WXE/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=3QD49V277A4ML&coliid=I2UC90A4SUMPHV), the Tamron AF 10-24MM (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001G7PIBC/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=3QD49V277A4ML&coliid=I1IK1LMW3PTKQW&psc=1) or the Sigma 8-16mm (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003G20AAE/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=3QD49V277A4ML&coliid=I2BDB3TI2U7GBX&psc=1). 
From what I've read, the Canon is better in most every way than the Tamron. The only thing that pushes me to the Sigma is the extra 2mm of Focal Range seems like it might be very useful, but I'm not sure about quality. If I do get this I will likely also be getting the Tamron 16-300, so I'd have all ranges covered.

Consider the Tokina 11-16, it's far better than all the others.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: noturbizniss on August 21, 2014, 06:30:18 PM
Yes, it is a far inferior lens to your current combo. You gain in convenience but you lose a lot of quality.
I've been doing more research and in starting to see that as well. Perhaps Lightroom could fix the CA and other issues but it could be a pain to do...
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: noturbizniss on August 21, 2014, 06:31:20 PM
Consider the Tokina 11-16, it's far better than all the others.
I've seen alot of positive reviews on the Canon 10-18mm.how's that compare to the Tokina?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on August 21, 2014, 06:33:47 PM
I've been doing more research and in starting to see that as well. Perhaps Lightroom could fix the CA and other issues but it could be a pain to do...

Lightroom won't fix all CA, it won't fix all distortion, and it very definitely won't be able to bring back sharpness that was never there in the first place.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on August 21, 2014, 06:37:10 PM
I've seen alot of positive reviews on the Canon 10-18mm.how's that compare to the Tokina?

The Tokina is sharper, faster (constant f/2.8 ) and is built like a frickin tank. The Canon feels like a toy next to it.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: noturbizniss on August 21, 2014, 07:08:50 PM
The Tokina is sharper, faster (constant f/2.8 ) and is built like a frickin tank. The Canon feels like a toy next to it.
Would I miss the extra mm for most landscape or large group shots? I guess if I never had one I wouldn't?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: noturbizniss on August 21, 2014, 07:45:15 PM
This guy in this video seems to like the Canon over the Tokina.
http://darkstermedia.com/2014/06/26/canon-10-18-vs-canon-10-22-vs-tokina-11-16-review-and-samples (http://darkstermedia.com/2014/06/26/canon-10-18-vs-canon-10-22-vs-tokina-11-16-review-and-samples)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: ah on August 24, 2014, 02:58:27 PM
is audiovideonation.com reputable? they seem to have really good prices, looking for my first "real" camera
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: menotyou on August 26, 2014, 11:02:07 AM
any advice on best place to print pictures. is high end the only option? or is there a decent online place? want to develop colorado pics and some online places are sooo unpredictable. Btw im located in Brooklyn so i guess local suggestions also, ty
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Post by: Something Fishy on August 26, 2014, 11:15:02 AM
any advice on best place to print pictures. is high end the only option? or is there a decent online place? want to develop colorado pics and some online places are sooo unpredictable

Shutterfly and Snapfish are good for everyday printing, and I like Adorama and White House Custom Color for high-end work.

I never print local.
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Post by: mek on August 26, 2014, 11:15:40 AM
what about prodpi.com
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on August 26, 2014, 11:16:29 AM
what about prodpi.com

Never heard of them.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: moish on August 26, 2014, 11:41:44 AM
sorry for keeping on pushing this, but any good deals for the 70d? id love to pick one up on my trip to america next week
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Dan on August 26, 2014, 11:49:55 AM
Shutterfly and Snapfish are good for everyday printing, and I like Adorama and White House Custom Color for high-end work.

I never print local.
I never liked Snapfish printes and lately shutterfly prints have gotten really bad though their photobooks still seem good.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on August 26, 2014, 12:15:44 PM
I never liked Snapfish printes and lately shutterfly prints have gotten really bad though their photobooks still seem good.

Haven't printed by either of them in a while... What happened with Shutterfly, in what way are they really bad?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: aygart on August 26, 2014, 12:19:33 PM
I never liked Snapfish printes and lately shutterfly prints have gotten really bad though their photobooks still seem good.
whenever I ordered from either of them I found the color to be off. Believe it or not, I've been much happier with artscow.com
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Dan on August 26, 2014, 12:21:11 PM
Haven't printed by either of them in a while... What happened with Shutterfly, in what way are they really bad?
Colors have been way off on prints.
Luckily photobooks still seem good.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on August 26, 2014, 12:24:49 PM
That's sad, I've found the color to be great so far (again, over a year ago).

Maybe I'll make a small test order. I have a color-managed workflow, so I always tell them not to touch or edit the files in any way (by default they tweak every photo), so maybe that'll help.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Joe4007 on August 26, 2014, 12:31:59 PM
whenever I ordered from either of them I found the color to be off.
Same here.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Dan on August 26, 2014, 12:39:03 PM
That's sad, I've found the color to be great so far (again, over a year ago).
Yup, a year ago it was still great.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: MC on August 26, 2014, 12:43:42 PM
I've also found that they crop my pictures without me asking.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on August 26, 2014, 12:51:10 PM
I've also found that they crop my pictures without me asking.

That may be due to the fact that a P&S camera takes pictures in the 4:3 ratio (taller) while 4x6 prints are 3:2 (wider). That means that a bit of the top and bottom has to be cropped when printing.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Dan on August 26, 2014, 01:15:57 PM
That may be due to the fact that a P&S camera takes pictures in the 4:3 ratio (taller) while 4x6 prints are 3:2 (wider). That means that a bit of the top and bottom has to be cropped when printing.
Why don't they just move to an all digital aspect ratio?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on August 26, 2014, 01:40:42 PM
Why don't they just move to an all digital aspect ratio?

Print sizes are based on actual film sizes - 4x6 is the same aspect ratio as 35mm film, 8x10 is the same as 4x5 medium format film, etc. (The reasons film was these particular sizes and aspect ratios is a crazy history lesson for another day). In any case, when digital started it was cheaper and simpler to achieve more resolution based on a 4:3 sensor, so these stuck around on most cheaper cameras. Mirrorless and full-frame cameras generally use a 3:2 sensor, so for that this discussion is a non-issue.

For a regular P&S there are a few options to avoid this issue:

- Use the 3:2 aspect ratio mode is your camera offers it. With most cheap cameras this will simply be a behind-the-scans crop, but some higher-end P&Ss such the Panasonic LX series have a native 3:2 mode.

- Some cameras (Canons IIRC) have "3:2 guides". This is simply two lines superimposed over the screen showing where the picture would end if printed on a 4x6. This is useful to ensure that you don't put anything important in that area. This option is found under the display settings.

- Crop it yourself. That way at least you will be the one who chooses what gets chopped off, not some dude at Shutterfly. You could choose to crop off more of the bottom and nothing from the top, more of the top, etc.

- Get smaller prints. Shutterfly has a option where they will print the picture as a 4x5.4 (or something like that). This world make it a 4:3 ratio and you could keep the entire picture in the print. This option is accessible during checkout and is the same price as regular 4x6s.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: menotyou on August 26, 2014, 02:24:55 PM
whenever I ordered from either of them I found the color to be off.
that is the main reason i am looking for alternatives- very fake looking, thanks!
Did anyone order from both in the recent past and want to share their comparisons of color quality?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: chucksterace on August 28, 2014, 10:05:45 AM
So i am looking to buy soon a DSLR, right now I looking into the Pentax K50. If I were to look at Canon's which one or two should I look at? Willing to spend up to $700. I am interested in the Pentax mostly bc of the water resistance, however I am looking for something that would have fast autofocus and shutter speeds
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on August 28, 2014, 08:32:32 PM
So i am looking to buy soon a DSLR, right now I looking into the Pentax K50. If I were to look at Canon's which one or two should I look at? Willing to spend up to $700. I am interested in the Pentax mostly bc of the water resistance, however I am looking for something that would have fast autofocus and shutter speeds
I know Something Fishy is not a big fan of the Pentaxs. (It's that the correct plural?) IIRC primarily because they're extremely user-unfriendly.

If I personally was spending $700 on a Canon now I would get the t5i (assuming I can get it at or less than the $550 we've seen it at recently) and either a fast prime or telephoto lens.

Though there's always the possibility that depending on the prices of both,  I might decide to go with the t3i instead. (Don't ask me what the criteria for deciding that one would be, that's a question for something fishy )
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Dan on August 28, 2014, 08:34:18 PM
I know Something Fishy is not a big fan of the Pentaxs. (It's that the correct plural?)
Pentaxes I'd imagine.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on August 28, 2014, 08:41:14 PM
Pentaxes I'd imagine.
Yeah, I was thinking that should be it, but that didn't look quite right to me either, though looking at it now it does look better than without the e
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: ah on August 29, 2014, 12:36:27 AM
Pentaxi?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Joe4007 on August 30, 2014, 10:20:53 PM
 Looking for a mirrorless camera in the $200-300 range for regular use. What would you recommend? TIA.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: lunatic on September 01, 2014, 11:18:28 PM
Looking for a basic camera for a  10 year old $40 to $50...any good deals around
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on September 02, 2014, 02:04:06 PM
Looking for a mirrorless camera in the $200-300 range for regular use. What would you recommend? TIA.

Personally, I'd take a look at the Olympus E-PL series. They have great color, are a great pocketable size, and the older models are relatively cheap on refurb. A friend of mine bought an E-PL1 body-only for $150, then picked up a cheap legacy OM 50mm f/1.8 for $30, and an adapter to fit it on the micro4/3 Olympus mount for another $20. For about $200, he had a kit that took VERY respectable looking photos- If I recall correctly, he took some shots at an event that ended up in the paper.

The catch, however, is that you have to work with manual glass at that price- the OM does not interface with the camera because its about 30 years old and has no electronics. You have to manually focus and set the aperture on the lens. Honestly, people make a big deal about how annoying that is, but its how all photographers took pictures back then. :P

If you want to up your budget a bit, you can get some native electronic lenses and the conveniences that come with it.

EDIT: There was also a great deal recently circulating for the Canon EOS-M mirrorless with a 20mm lens. Might also be worth checking out. I like the Olympus and feel like they care more about their products in this market than Canon does, since Canon sees it as a poor man's DSLR (so they take out "pro" features like dialing in Kelvin values). Upside is that there is an additional adapter that can make use of actual Canon EOS SLR lenses if you want to bulk out your system. But then, why not get a refurb Rebel for around the same price?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Mordy on September 02, 2014, 02:08:19 PM
Pentaxi?

That's totally how I would go.

Pentax isn't popular these days, so your available lenses are very limited. But the cameras are pretty decent for the price.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Joe4007 on September 02, 2014, 07:56:36 PM


Personally, I'd take a look at the Olympus E-PL series. They have great color, are a great pocketable size, and the older models are relatively cheap on refurb. A friend of mine bought an E-PL1 body-only for $150, then picked up a cheap legacy OM 50mm f/1.8 for $30, and an adapter to fit it on the micro4/3 Olympus mount for another $20. For about $200, he had a kit that took VERY respectable looking photos- If I recall correctly, he took some shots at an event that ended up in the paper.

The catch, however, is that you have to work with manual glass at that price- the OM does not interface with the camera because its about 30 years old and has no electronics. You have to manually focus and set the aperture on the lens. Honestly, people make a big deal about how annoying that is, but its how all photographers took pictures back then. :P

If you want to up your budget a bit, you can get some native electronic lenses and the conveniences that come with it.

EDIT: There was also a great deal recently circulating for the Canon EOS-M mirrorless with a 20mm lens. Might also be worth checking out. I like the Olympus and feel like they care more about their products in this market than Canon does, since Canon sees it as a poor man's DSLR (so they take out "pro" features like dialing in Kelvin values). Upside is that there is an additional adapter that can make use of actual Canon EOS SLR lenses if you want to bulk out your system. But then, why not get a refurb Rebel for around the same price?
Thanks for the response. I was asking for a family member and they'll basically use auto 99% of the time, so I don't think that first combo will do them any good. They were actually debating buying a P&S or a mirrorless, but they wanted quality pictures over compactness so I figured a mirrorless would be the way to go.

I myself have a Samsung NX2000 that I bought on Amazon for $200 on sale and am very happy with it. I was thinking something along those lines.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: ari9 on September 08, 2014, 07:31:33 PM
turned on my Nex-3n and it says
cannot recognize lens, attach it properly
took the lens off and put it back on but same story
 :(
any ideas?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on September 08, 2014, 07:50:43 PM
turned on my Nex-3n and it says
cannot recognize lens, attach it properly
took the lens off and put it back on but same story
 :(
any ideas?

Clean the contacts on both the camera and lens with a q-tip and a bit of alcohol. Should solve the issue.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: ari9 on September 08, 2014, 11:45:13 PM
Clean the contacts on both the camera and lens with a q-tip and a bit of alcohol. Should solve the issue.
still nothing
I can hear the mechanism that is trying to extend the lens, but it stays closed
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on September 12, 2014, 01:55:11 AM
Looking into getting someone a GoPro as a present. This person likes to ski so I would want one that would do well while skiing. I am not looking for all the bells and whistles as I don't want to spend more that I have to. Any recommendations on a model and perhaps where to look?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on September 12, 2014, 07:53:49 AM
All GoPros are good for skiing. The question is the Silver vs. the Black. The Blacl has a sharper lens, much better recording options (2.7k, 4k), is far better in low light, takes pictures even while recording video, and most importantly, comes with the infinitely useful remote (which is $60 by itself). The Black is generally $100 more than the Silver.

It's usually priced the same all over, but there are periodically sales (Best Buy has them every now and then IIRC). There were some posted on the DDMS too.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on September 12, 2014, 04:16:53 PM
All GoPros are good for skiing. The question is the Silver vs. the Black. The Blacl has a sharper lens, much better recording options (2.7k, 4k), is far better in low light, takes pictures even while recording video, and most importantly, comes with the infinitely useful remote (which is $60 by itself). The Black is generally $100 more than the Silver.

It's usually priced the same all over, but there are periodically sales (Best Buy has them every now and then IIRC). There were some posted on the DDMS too.
Thanks for all the info. The white one is not recommended or it's just not as good? Would prefer to keep it around 200 unless I am wasting my money in which case I will just go with the silver.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: ari9 on September 14, 2014, 11:44:41 PM
Looking into getting someone a GoPro as a present. This person likes to ski so I would want one that would do well while skiing. I am not looking for all the bells and whistles as I don't want to spend more that I have to. Any recommendations on a model and perhaps where to look?
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=45130.0
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on September 14, 2014, 11:46:11 PM
Thanks for all the info. The white one is not recommended or it's just not as good? Would prefer to keep it around 200 unless I am wasting my money in which case I will just go with the silver.

THe white is similar to the one from two years ago. I wouldn't recommend it.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: VacationLover on September 15, 2014, 08:37:13 AM
I want to get a new camera. Can anyone advice between a Canon G15 vs. Panasonic LX7? Without going into details. Which one is recommended?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: DovtheBear on September 22, 2014, 12:51:28 PM
Nikon D3300 DSLR Camera +18-55mm VR II Lens (refurb) + Adobe LR5  (http://www.buydig.com/shop/product.aspx?sdtid=7190474&sku=EMNKD33001855KRB&omid=200&ref=cj&utm_source=CJ&utm_medium=Affiliate&utm_placement=4485850)$419 with coupon code 5HPX
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: chucksterace on October 12, 2014, 07:34:29 AM
I recently got the Pentax K50 with the 18-55 and 50-200 lenses. I now have about $150 in credit from Adorama and looking to buy a longer lens - around 300mm or so. Any suggestions from their site?

Also, possibly looking to buy a tripod and a case that can hold the camera w/ lens on and the two other lenses + charger etc. Any suggestions for those?

Out of these things which should I use the Adorama credit for and buy from their site? TIA
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: chucksterace on October 13, 2014, 08:14:37 AM
I recently got the Pentax K50 with the 18-55 and 50-200 lenses. I now have about $150 in credit from Adorama and looking to buy a longer lens - around 300mm or so. Any suggestions from their site?

Also, possibly looking to buy a tripod and a case that can hold the camera w/ lens on and the two other lenses + charger etc. Any suggestions for those?

Out of these things which should I use the Adorama credit for and buy from their site? TIA

bumpidy bump bump bump
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: yoelygb on October 15, 2014, 02:10:57 AM
Sx280 vs s110?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on October 15, 2014, 10:54:07 AM
Sx280 vs s110?

Better zoom vs. far better pictures.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: yoelygb on October 15, 2014, 11:00:13 AM
Better zoom vs. far better pictures.
The s110?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on October 15, 2014, 11:03:35 AM
The s110?

Huh?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: yoelygb on October 15, 2014, 11:05:17 AM
Huh?
Which one has the better zoom?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on October 15, 2014, 11:08:56 AM
Which one has the better zoom?

Did you want an opinion comparing the two cameras or did you want me to spoon-feed you the specs off the B&H and Amazon websites :o?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: yoelygb on October 15, 2014, 11:10:54 AM
Did you want an opinion comparing the two cameras or did you want me to spoon-feed you the specs off the B&H and Amazon websites :o?
No I wanted an opinion but you didn't answer me which one is the better one
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on October 15, 2014, 11:12:36 AM
My answer was as clear as your "question".

I'm done here.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: noturbizniss on October 15, 2014, 01:16:49 PM
No I wanted an opinion but you didn't answer me which one is the better one
without looking at B&H, SF seems to be saying sx280 has better zoom, but the s110 will give you "far better pictures".  seemed pretty clear to me.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: chucksterace on October 21, 2014, 08:13:47 AM
I recently got the Pentax K50 with the 18-55 and 50-200 lenses. I now have about $150 in credit from Adorama and looking to buy a longer lens - around 300mm or so. Any suggestions from their site?

Also, possibly looking to buy a tripod and a case that can hold the camera w/ lens on and the two other lenses + charger etc. Any suggestions for those?

Out of these things which should I use the Adorama credit for and buy from their site? TIA

Bump.. Anyone?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: lunatic on October 21, 2014, 11:06:35 AM
Any good deals recently on basic cameras?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: lunatic on October 21, 2014, 11:46:17 AM
This one seems to be a good price http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00C7NWTNO/?tag=cl03f-20
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on October 21, 2014, 11:47:47 AM
This one seems to be a good price http:// www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00C7NWTNO?cache=34f280bce9093af11de3e8b0c560b0b9&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70&qid=1413906120&sr=1-14#

Crappy camera. You could oven find Canon Elphs (FAR better cameras) at that price.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: noturbizniss on October 21, 2014, 02:00:36 PM
Any good deals recently on basic cameras?
How about the S110 in this deal?
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/53203 (http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/53203)
you can sell the printer on ebay for about 150 or so including shipping
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: lunatic on October 21, 2014, 02:10:50 PM
How about the S110 in this deal?
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/53203 (http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/53203)
you can sell the printer on ebay for about 150 or so including shipping

I need it for my 10 year old daughter, the simpler the better
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: lunatic on October 21, 2014, 02:11:28 PM
Crappy camera. You could oven find Canon Elphs (FAR better cameras) at that price.

Funny, it has such good ratings on amazon
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on October 21, 2014, 02:22:28 PM
How about the S110 in this deal?
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/53203 (http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/53203)
you can sell the printer on ebay for about 150 or so including shipping

That's a great deal, but not when you consider

I need it for my 10 year old daughter, the simpler the better

Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on October 21, 2014, 02:23:35 PM
Check out this one, it's far better than the Olympus, not to mention faster and easier to use.

http://www.amazon.com/Canon-PowerShot-ELPH-Digital-Camera/dp/B00B5HE3IW/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1413915673&sr=8-3&keywords=canon+elph
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: HowYaDoin on October 26, 2014, 10:52:29 AM
Is this a good deal?

 Adorama has this Canon Rebel T5 DSLR Special Promotional Bundle for only $358 after rebate.

The bundle includes,

Canon Rebel T5 DSLR w/18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS II Lens
Canon EF 75-300mm F/4-5.6 III Autofocus Telephoto Zoom Lens
Canon PIXMA PRO-100 Professional Photo Inkjet Printer
Canon SG-201 Photo Paper Plus Semi-Gloss, 13◊19″, 50 Sheets

Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on November 01, 2014, 08:40:15 PM
Looking for the current best pocket point and shoot, what should I get?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on November 01, 2014, 08:43:19 PM
Looking for the current best pocket point and shoot, what should I get?

The Sony RX100-III is generally considered the best.

But are you looking for this or just a simple - but good - P&S?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on November 01, 2014, 08:48:39 PM
The Sony RX100-III is generally considered the best.

But are you looking for this or just a simple - but good - P&S?
Looking for the best point and shoot, but I happen to hate Sony, I'll consider this, what would you recommend besides Sony?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on November 01, 2014, 08:56:40 PM
Looking for the best point and shoot, but I happen to hate Sony, I'll consider this, what would you recommend besides Sony?

I also used to hate them, until I used their NEX and RX cameras. Kinda love them now 8). What don't you like about them?

OTOH, the Panasonic LX and Canon GX are all good options, but are not as good as the Sony overall. The canon S series are also very capable, if you want something even smaller and cheaper.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on November 01, 2014, 08:59:20 PM
I also used to hate them, until I used their NEX and RX cameras. Kinda love them now 8). What's don't you like about them?

OTOH, the Panasonic LX and Canon GX are all good options, but are not as good as the Sony overall. The canon S series are also very capable, if you want something even smaller and cheaper.
Thanks!  I'll make my decision and let you know
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on November 01, 2014, 09:19:38 PM
Thanks!  I'll make my decision and let you know

Great.

Still curious about this, though:
What don't you like about them?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on November 01, 2014, 10:15:41 PM
Great.

Still curious about this, though:
The memory stick, and didn't like the colors with the camera I had about 5 years ago, I previously owned 2 Sony cameras and then moved to Canon
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on November 01, 2014, 10:20:08 PM
The memory stick all Sony camera have been taking SD cards for a few years now, and didn't like the colors with the camera I had about 5 years ago the image quality these days - including the color - will be equal or better than the other options, I previously owned 2 Sony cameras and then moved to Canon I also swore off Sony years ago, but now I own them and highly recommend them.

See in bold above.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on November 01, 2014, 10:21:08 PM
See in bold above.
I'll consider,  thanks
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: A3 on November 02, 2014, 06:10:51 PM
Hi, everyone.
So I have this Tripod http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=sunpak+ultra+7000&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ps Sunpack Ultra 7000TM, and my head broke. Would any head work for this Tripod? Can anyone recommend a good head? I guess up to ~$50
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on November 02, 2014, 06:27:06 PM
Hi, everyone.
So I have this Tripod http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=sunpak+ultra+7000&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ps Sunpack Ultra 7000TM, and my head broke. Would any head work for this Tripod? Can anyone recommend a good head? I guess up to ~$50

Does not appear to have a replaceable head.

Did you contact them? Supposedly has a lifetime warranty.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: A3 on November 02, 2014, 06:38:23 PM
Does not appear to have a replaceable head.

Did you contact them? Supposedly has a lifetime warranty.

I did not, thanks I will call them tomorrow.
Just the way it screwed out, I thought others can maybe just screw in.

I liked this tripod bec the legs had a latch instead of the screw thing to make it longer and shorter. The quick release worked really well as well.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on November 02, 2014, 06:46:49 PM
Just the way it screwed out, I thought others can maybe just screw in.

Post a picture?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: ual902 on November 02, 2014, 06:50:57 PM
So how is the GoPro versus the regular cameras? I take pictures of mostly scenery, airports and Airplanes when I travel.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: A3 on November 02, 2014, 06:55:40 PM
Post a picture?
The connecting point.

(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/11/02/fa5d45c3f79cb8ec77f47b7a94e2cb0e.jpg)

The broken section, the screw doesn't get tight anymore..
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/11/02/b57b702a5f0ec5790ffb8561f96ee1b9.jpg)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on November 02, 2014, 07:02:42 PM
The connecting point.

(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/11/02/fa5d45c3f79cb8ec77f47b7a94e2cb0e.jpg)

The broken section, the screw doesn't get tight anymore..
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/11/02/b57b702a5f0ec5790ffb8561f96ee1b9.jpg)

Hard to measure the thickness from the pictures, but it definitely looks longer than a standard 3/8 head screw.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: A3 on November 02, 2014, 07:04:42 PM
Aha, thanks anyways,
Will call them tom, if not I will look at the thread for a reliable TriPod with a nice head!!

BTW the Adorama Pix came out fantastic. Was my first time using them
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on November 07, 2014, 07:24:28 AM
is this a decent camera or what else should i go for in this range?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nikon-D3300-24-2-MP-DSLR-with-18-55mm-VR-II-Lens-Black-Factory-Refurbished/301379914160?pt=Digital_Cameras&hash=item462ba489b0
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on November 07, 2014, 07:32:29 AM
is this a decent camera or what else should i go for in this range?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nikon-D3300-24-2-MP-DSLR-with-18-55mm-VR-II-Lens-Black-Factory-Refurbished/301379914160?pt=Digital_Cameras&hash=item462ba489b0

Fantastic camera. It's the lowest end Nikon DSLR, but still a great camera.

The price isn't bad, but if I were you I'd wait a week or two for the black friday deals. I've seen this go cheaper, or for this price and bundled with Adobe Lightroom (which your can use or sell).
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on November 08, 2014, 11:47:01 AM
Fantastic camera. It's the lowest end Nikon DSLR, but still a great camera.

The price isn't bad, but if I were you I'd wait a week or two for the black friday deals. I've seen this go cheaper, or for this price and bundled with Adobe Lightroom (which your can use or sell).
Is this a better deal?
 http://m.ebay.com/itm/231375886643?_mwBanner=1

Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: DovtheBear on November 08, 2014, 12:01:29 PM
Is this a better deal?
 http://m.ebay.com/itm/231375886643?_mwBanner=1
It's a Canon. :P
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on November 08, 2014, 01:29:05 PM

It's a Canon. :P
is that good or bad?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on November 08, 2014, 06:36:02 PM
Is this a better deal?
 http://m.ebay.com/itm/231375886643?_mwBanner=1

Not really.

is that good or bad?

Neither, he was kidding. When you're starting out both are equally great.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: 3yummyboys on November 18, 2014, 10:41:42 AM
We want a decent camera for general pictures and also to bring on our Hawaii trip. From what I have read, a mirrorless would be our best bet, but we are open to any suggestions. We don't want to spend a lot of money. Here are the most important factors:
1) durability - we need something that can take some abuse
2) easy for beginners, and preferably don't need to have additional lenses
3) price

TIA
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: acercomp on November 20, 2014, 11:46:02 AM
i'm looking for a DLSR camera and i've read different things about cameras and black Friday sales. some articles seem to say that black Friday has the best prices while others say that new models come out around February and that really January has the best prices. any thoughts. thanks
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on November 20, 2014, 02:19:39 PM
i'm looking for a DLSR camera and i've read different things about cameras and black Friday sales. some articles seem to say that black Friday has the best prices while others say that new models come out around February and that really January has the best prices. any thoughts. thanks

Most of the time the best value is to be had by waiting for the new cameras and then buying the older version.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: acercomp on November 20, 2014, 05:14:22 PM
groupon has a deal on the Canon EOS Rebel T5 18MP DSLR Camera for $500. is that worth it?
http://www.groupon.com/deals/gg-canon-eos-rebel-t5-18mp-dslr-camera-bundles
thanks
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on November 20, 2014, 05:32:32 PM
groupon has a deal on the Canon EOS Rebel T5 18MP DSLR Camera for $500. is that worth it?
http://www.groupon.com/deals/gg-canon-eos-rebel-t5-18mp-dslr-camera-bundles
thanks

Terrible deal.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: acercomp on November 24, 2014, 02:11:58 PM
i know this was addressed briefly in the intro, but i was curious your thoughts on DSLR, specifically the T3i vs. mirrorless, specifically sony A5000/6000. ive seen them both on black friday sales.
thanks
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: LAGS on November 30, 2014, 02:14:53 PM
@SomethingFishy My old P&S camera just broke. Took a crash course in this and your other photography thread. Thanks!
I'm a very unsophisticated/casual camera user. Donít intend to buy a bunch of extra lenses. DSLR is out because of size and price. Mirrorless seems the way to go. I condensed what I think are my best options based on your comments Ė and depending on my ultimate budget. Do you think this is accurate or would you swap in different models? Any specific models that you think are most worth the extra money for someone like me?

RangeTypeModelCurrent Deal
<100P&SPowerShot ELPH 13579
100-200P&SPowerShot ELPH 340 HS129
200-300MlessSony Alpha A5000273
300-400MlessSony Alpha NEX 3N365
400-500MlessSony Alpha NEX 5T425
500-600MlessSony Alpha A6000573
600-700MlessSony Alpha NEX 6673
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on November 30, 2014, 02:29:37 PM
@SomethingFishy My old P&S camera just broke. Took a crash course in this and your other photography thread. Thanks!
I'm a very unsophisticated/casual camera user. Donít intend to buy a bunch of extra lenses. DSLR is out because of size and price. Mirrorless seems the way to go. I condensed what I think are my best options based on your comments Ė and depending on my ultimate budget. Do you think this is accurate or would you swap in different models? Any specific models that you think are most worth the extra money for someone like me?

RangeTypeModelCurrent Deal
<100P&S


   
PowerShot ELPH 13579
100-200P&SPowerShot ELPH 340 HS129
200-300MlessSony Alpha A5000273
300-400MlessSony Alpha NEX 3N365
400-500MlessSony Alpha NEX 5T425
500-600MlessSony Alpha A6000573
600-700MlessSony Alpha NEX 6673

Get the current deal on the a5000!!


Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on November 30, 2014, 02:39:48 PM
RangeTypeModelCurrent Deal
<100P&SPowerShot ELPH 13579
100-200P&SPowerShot ELPH 340 HS129
200-300MlessSony Alpha A5000273
300-400MlessSony Alpha NEX 3N365
400-500MlessSony Alpha NEX 5T425
500-600MlessSony Alpha A6000573
600-700MlessSony Alpha NEX 6673

Your list goes from a bicycle to a Gulfstream. Your best bang for your buck at the moment is

Get the current deal on the a5000!!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: how on November 30, 2014, 03:35:30 PM
Most of the time the best value is to be had by waiting for the new cameras and then buying the older version.
SF If im upgrading from a point and shoot should I get the a6000 or is the a5000 good enough. The price is a bit better on the latter for me ;)

Thanks alot
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: how on November 30, 2014, 03:37:22 PM
and one more question should i get the $40 protection plan - I think the $25 gift card promo might ruin the amex extended warranty 
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on November 30, 2014, 03:51:45 PM
SF If im upgrading from a point and shoot should I get the a6000 or is the a5000 good enough. The price is a bit better on the latter for me ;)

Thanks alot

A5000 should cover you nicely.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: how on November 30, 2014, 03:52:41 PM
A5000 should cover you nicely.
THanks for the quick response

do you think i need the protection plan. do these things break easily
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on November 30, 2014, 04:03:15 PM
THanks for the quick response

do you think i need the protection plan. do these things break easily

My old 5n is completely beaten up and works perfectly fine.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: how on November 30, 2014, 04:08:35 PM
My old 5n is completely beaten up and works perfectly fine.
thanks
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: LAGS on November 30, 2014, 07:20:27 PM
Thanks, Sky & SF!

Your list goes from a bicycle to a Gulfstream.

I know I ran the spectrum. I didn't decide my upgrade budget and wanted to ensure if I went cheap (or splurged) that I was picking the best model for that price range.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: princea143 on November 30, 2014, 10:15:24 PM
Getting my wife a new camera, but I was wondering what would be a good and simple camera for her.  We're not photographers, and we currently use our iPhone 5c's and a super old Sony Cyber-shot DSC-W300 to take photos with, so anything out there today would be a total one up.  haha
I was looking at DDMS and saw the Sony Alpha a5000 and I was wondering if this was overkill for us.  Thoughts?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on November 30, 2014, 10:17:05 PM
Getting my wife a new camera, but I was wondering what would be a good and simple camera for her.  We're not photographers, and we currently use our iPhone 5c's and a super old Sony Cyber-shot DSC-W300 to take photos with, so anything out there today would be a total one up.  haha
I was looking at DDMS and saw the Sony Alpha a5000 and I was wondering if this was overkill for us.  Thoughts?

It could handle as simply as an iPhone should you want it to - just press the button and go. But the picture will be light years ahead.
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Post by: princea143 on November 30, 2014, 10:20:06 PM
Haha I thought so.  Anything else out there that I should consider or is this best price for what I'm gettting?  Also, I bought the $100 Amazon gc + $25 towards cameras a few days ago, so could I stack that bonus with this $25 Amazon gc +$25 towards cameras ($50 towards cameras)?  Lastly, do I pay with Amex BGR for the extended warranty in full or can I use Amazon gcs (not the automatic camera ones) towards it also?   
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: gooddeals on November 30, 2014, 10:26:21 PM
i want to buy my wife a camera  there is some great deals for Nikon coolpix L830 http://www.costco.com/Nikon-Coolpix-L830-Digital-Camera-Bundle.product.100145843.html   or is a canon sx520 better http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?action=post;topic=28454.1005;last_msg=983792
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: princea143 on November 30, 2014, 11:54:40 PM
It could handle as simply as an iPhone should you want it to - just press the button and go. But the picture will be light years ahead.
I'm buying it right now, and I noticed that I'm getting taxed almost $25!  DDMS didn't show taxes on post.  Is it because I'm in CA?  ???
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on December 01, 2014, 12:12:06 AM
Is it because I'm in CA?  ???
Yes, or if you would be in one of the other 22(IIRC) states in which Amazon collects tax...
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: princea143 on December 01, 2014, 12:21:19 AM
Yes, or if you would be in one of the other 22(IIRC) states in which Amazon collects tax...
Ugh the negatives of being here.  Still a good deal for this, and the camera gc took care of it.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: ifuncused on December 01, 2014, 03:26:32 PM
late to the game.. looking for a camera for a ten year old.. we already went through a bunch of canon and one touch screen nikon and they broke/damaged, etc. Is Sony any good?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: menotyou on December 04, 2014, 09:33:50 AM
which canon case is compatible for the nex6?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: bubble347 on December 06, 2014, 11:28:44 PM
Where does the Panasonic DMC-FZ200 rank with other DSLRs? Is it a high-end, mid-level, or low-end camera? How does it compare to the Rebel series of Canon? TIA
p.s. please excuse if  it sounds like I have no clue what I'm talking about, since I really have no clue what I'm talking about :-[
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 06, 2014, 11:31:53 PM
Where does the Panasonic DMC-FZ200 rank with other DSLRs? Is it a high-end, mid-level, or low-end camera? How does it compare to the Rebel series of Canon? TIA
p.s. please excuse if  it sounds like I have no clue what I'm talking about, since I really have no clue what I'm talking about :-[

It isn't nor is it comparable to any DSLR. It's a regular medium-quality point and shoot with a very long zoom.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 07, 2014, 05:36:21 AM
So whats the story with import models?
ive been looking to buy the canon 70d with 18-135 STM for some time now, and every so often it's available as an import model for a good price. i understand that it doesnt come with a canon usa warranty, but the store selling it offers their own warranty. Do you think it's too risky to buy? would it make a difference if i bought it with an amex?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 07, 2014, 11:14:45 AM
So whats the story with import models?
ive been looking to buy the canon 70d with 18-135 STM for some time now, and every so often it's available as an import model for a good price. i understand that it doesnt come with a canon usa warranty, but the store selling it offers their own warranty. Do you think it's too risky to buy? would it make a difference if i bought it with an amex?

I buy import/gray all the time. As long as it's from a good reseller (B&H, Adorama, etc.) it's fine. Amex would cover you too, I believe.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 07, 2014, 11:16:43 AM
I buy import/gray all the time. As long as it's from a good reseller (B&H, Adorama, etc.) it's fine. Amex would cover you too, I believe.
6pm?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 07, 2014, 11:19:00 AM
6pm?

Who provides their warranty and/or service? I wouldn't trust 6pm themselves to know how to repair a camera.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 07, 2014, 12:11:06 PM
pm sent
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on December 07, 2014, 12:39:08 PM
What would be the ideal camera to upgrade to from my t3i? The main thing I'm looking for is higher ISO ability for nighttime photography.

 (I'm not planning on getting anything right now but I do want to keep my eyes open for any incredible deals...)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 07, 2014, 12:49:45 PM
What would be the ideal camera to upgrade to from my t3i? The main thing I'm looking for is higher ISO ability for nighttime photography.

 (I'm not planning on getting anything right now but I do want to keep my eyes open for any incredible deals...)
you want an even higher iso?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on December 07, 2014, 12:55:00 PM
you want an even higher iso?
Correct. Or perhaps more importantly less noise with the higher ISO's that I already have.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: acercomp on December 11, 2014, 12:38:38 PM
anyone have any experience with the Canon Semi Hard Case EH24-L? i'd like to use it for my t3i in a knapsakc/diaperbag- is it worth it?
thanks
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 11, 2014, 01:05:49 PM
anyone have any experience with the Canon Semi Hard Case EH24-L? i'd like to use it for my t3i in a knapsakc/diaperbag- is it worth it?
thanks

It's made for exactly this scenario - to throw into a larger bag. It's a pretty nice case altogether.

If you want to save some money consider the Op/Tech, Lenscoat, or Zing covers. These are softer neoprene, so not as protective but half the price.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 11, 2014, 01:11:56 PM
What would be the ideal camera to upgrade to from my t3i? The main thing I'm looking for is higher ISO ability for nighttime photography.

 (I'm not planning on getting anything right now but I do want to keep my eyes open for any incredible deals...)

Your camera is 3 generations old now; any new one will be leaps and bounds ahead in the low light department.

An ideal option might be the 70D, for example. A full frame camera (say the 6D) will give you one more stop of useable ISO, all things being equal.

Correct. Or perhaps more importantly less noise with the higher ISO's that I already have.

For all intents and purposes, they're the same thing.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: acercomp on December 11, 2014, 01:29:13 PM
It's made for exactly this scenario - to throw into a larger bag. It's a pretty nice case altogether.

If you want to save some money consider the Op/Tech, Lenscoat, or Zing covers. These are softer neoprene, so not as protective but half the price.

thanks! its $56 on canon's website, but i have the $30 coupon so i figure for $26 i should just go for it.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 11, 2014, 01:38:42 PM
thanks! its $56 on canon's website, but i have the $30 coupon so i figure for $26 i should just go for it.

Much better deal now.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Toasted on December 16, 2014, 03:57:53 PM
I have a sx50 which i bought as a display in Staples in the summer for 186 + battery etc. Was in sears today and they had the display t3i body and lens on clearance for 250(was tipped off by sd. check your local sears too). Didn't have any battery, accessories so i got another 10% off. My thinking was that if SF disapproves, I can cry to Amex return protection as it was final sale.

My main needs are family (kids you know) pictures and a little outdoor scenes for trips etc. Do not want to spend any more on extra lenses ch"v.

Good buy?
Should I accessorize and flip my sx50, or just flip this?
I know how to get a nice bokeh with my sx50. Anyway to get it on the t3i with only the included lens?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 16, 2014, 04:10:46 PM
Good buy?

That.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Toasted on December 16, 2014, 04:36:44 PM
That.

What about the bokeh?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 16, 2014, 04:38:10 PM
What about the bokeh?

T3i is better.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Toasted on December 16, 2014, 04:39:18 PM
T3i is better.

But can i do it with the included lens or i need to buy a new lens ch"v?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 16, 2014, 04:40:55 PM
But can i do it with the included lens or i need to buy a new lens ch"v?

Heaven save us from the horrors of a better lens :o :o :o.

But yes, it will be better than the P&S.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: CS1 on December 16, 2014, 04:42:54 PM
What about: Canon T5i vs. Canon 70D vs. saving up for a 5D Mark III ?

(Mainly for outdoor/action shots and some indoor school-class pictures/portraits, and a few events per year...)  I have a glass Tamron 17-50mm 2.8 lens...
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Toasted on December 16, 2014, 04:43:27 PM
Heaven save us from the horrors of a better lens :o :o :o.

But yes, it will be better than the P&S.

Never call my $400 sx50 a p&s ch"v.

What mode/setting for bokeh?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 16, 2014, 04:52:28 PM
Never call my $400 sx50 a p&s ch"v.

::)
I give up. One more "ch"v" and I'm out, iy"h lo ooleinu kanainahora.

What mode/setting for bokeh?

Largest aperture, zoomed in.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Toasted on December 16, 2014, 05:05:47 PM
::)
I give up. One more "ch"v" and I'm out, iy"h lo ooleinu kanainahora.

Largest aperture, zoomed in.

Thanks. b"h you like my new toy and I don't have to return it rchm"l. ;)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on December 17, 2014, 12:23:45 AM
What would be the ideal camera to upgrade to from my t3i? The main thing I'm looking for is higher ISO ability for nighttime photography.
An ideal option might be the 70D, for example. A full frame camera (say the 6D) will give you one more stop of useable ISO, all things being equal.
1. After thinking it through a little bit, I think I oversimplified things a bit too much over there, ISO is not my only concern.
Another thing I'm looking for is better dynamic range.

I'm not sure how important this is, but I might want something weather sealed. I can easily see myself in a situation like this
I was the only person outside, crawling across the upper deck on all fours. One arm was wrapped around a chain for dear life, the other holding a camera and shooting madly ;D . Luckily a $5k+ camera and lens combination is built to take abuse, as both were deluged with icy water. They continued working just fine, although the viewfinder was completely blocked by water the water that had gotten inside.
Though I'm not sure how much abuse my lenses can take, so it may be a moot point... (currently my most expensive lens is my sigma 17-50 f/2. 8)

I think I'm gonna have to rule out a full frame right now, I think it's going to be way out of my budget. Without looking in to things, I'm going to guess it'll cost me at least $3k just for the camera and to replace my current lenses (sigma 17-50 f/2.8, canon 50mm f/1.8, Canon 55-250mm) and that's before all the little things such as needing a bigger bag etc.


I guess what it all boils down to is, what are your thoughts on the T5i vs 70D vs 70D mark II? (Or should I consider breaking the bank instead of digging myself deeper into the APS-C hole?)
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on December 17, 2014, 12:49:43 PM
I have the Canon Sx60, my battery is dead and I left my battery charger at home, does anyone know if I can use a Mini USB Charger? There is a mini USB port
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 17, 2014, 12:56:07 PM
I have the Canon Sx60, my battery is dead and I left my battery charger at home, does anyone know if I can use a Mini USB Charger? There is a mini USB port

I believe that that port is data only.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on December 17, 2014, 12:57:38 PM
I believe that that port is data only.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: ari9 on December 23, 2014, 12:49:56 AM
Shutterfly and Snapfish are good for everyday printing, and I like Adorama and White House Custom Color for high-end work.

I never print local.
planning to try out adorama printing sometime soon. if you have adorama referral number I'd be glad to enter it (I know its only $5 but every one counts :))
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: YG on December 23, 2014, 08:00:51 AM
I printed a large (30"x40") canvas with AdoramaPix. At that size, the 12 MP image was only 109 DPI which is way below the recommended resolution of 300 DPI. It came out far better than the way I was hoping it would -- and my hopes were not realistic considering the resolution. I was hoping it would look OK and not pixelated from four feet away, but it is actually continuous with no pixelation even from point blank. They did a phenomenal job!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: smart brit on December 24, 2014, 10:42:04 PM
@fishy
First and foremost thanks for the the informative thread!
I bought recently the Nikon s1 mirrorless camera, and received a gift the Nikon l830 and can't decide which one to keep?
Thanks
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on December 25, 2014, 12:15:37 AM
@fishy
First and foremost thanks for the the informative thread!
I bought recently the Nikon s1 mirrorless camera, and received a gift the Nikon l830 and can't decide which one to keep?
Thanks

The J1 is one of the most underrated cameras out there. It's actually quite nice (the focus speed is the fastest of any Mless camera).

This statement is true for the entire Nikon 1 line - they're great little cameras. The reason they're not as popular is because you could often get an even better camera from other brands at that price point - but if you have one, keep it. The image quality will blow the L830 out of the water, as will the focusing speed. Of course the L380 has a far larger zoom range, so if that's very important to you it may be the better choice. But for 99% of the time the S1 is the better option by far.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: smart brit on December 25, 2014, 12:39:25 AM
Thanks so much!
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: princea143 on December 28, 2014, 06:11:20 PM
Got the Sony alpha a5000 from the last sale, and I noticed that a memory card is needed. Can an expert tell me what I need to get, how much space is ideal, and what deals I should look out for and where to buy from so I could minimize my expenses?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on December 28, 2014, 06:14:11 PM
If you'll be taking videos I'd go for at least a 32gb. And Amazon usually has pretty competitive prices.
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: princea143 on December 28, 2014, 06:20:38 PM

If you'll be taking videos I'd go for at least a 32gb. And Amazon usually has pretty competitive prices.
Thank you! Any particular brand?
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: whYME on December 28, 2014, 06:21:08 PM
all about memory cards: http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=28108.msg663029.msg#663029
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: princea143 on December 28, 2014, 06:26:11 PM

all about memory cards: http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=28108.msg663029.msg#663029
Awesome. Ty
Title: Re: Which Camera Should I Get? Master Thread
Post by: Toasted on December 31, 2014, 04:15:45 PM
::)
I give up. One more "ch"v" and I'm out, iy"h lo ooleinu kanainahora.
Postscript: Picked up a refurb Canon 55-250 for $86+tax after ecash, and a nifty fifty for $66 AR with a 25/75 and a PM at staples. RCHM"L came true :-).

Are these the right lenses to get for family/kids bo