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Title: How Honest Are You?
Post by: Yeki89 on May 10, 2013, 12:50:00 PM
What did you do when you had a chance to profit, but you still returned/fixed/told and lost the opportunity for that gain.

Title: Re: How Honest Are You?
Post by: Marco Polo on May 10, 2013, 12:55:03 PM
What did you do when you had a chance to profit, but you still returned/fixed/told and lost the opportunity for that gain.
Multiple times received wrong change from a store (before i started churning).
Returned dropped items.
Title: Re: How Honest Are You?
Post by: lfas25 on May 10, 2013, 01:06:10 PM
What did you do when you had a chance to profit, but you still returned/fixed/told and lost the opportunity for that gain.

Last 2 things that come to mind:
On vacation in Hawaii we went to a botanical gardens near Halea'akala and we bought a handful of souvenirs there and she miscalculated by quiet a few dollars. I went back in and paid her what she missed.

A few weeks ago I bought a couple of things in Walmart, after I loaded the car I realized she didn't charge me $80+ for a bookcase I bought. At that point I decided it's to late / to much work to go back and try to explain what happened. 
Title: Re: How Honest Are You?
Post by: Yeki89 on May 10, 2013, 01:08:33 PM
I was at the bank the other day and they deposited an extra $100.
I figured they will prob catch in anyway.
Title: Re: How Honest Are You?
Post by: Fan of Dan on May 10, 2013, 01:16:11 PM
I was at the bank the other day and they deposited an extra $100.
I figured they will prob catch in anyway.
Im sure they will catch it. I once did it the other way I wrote less than I had deposited and within a week I got a letter with info about the correction.
Title: Re: How Honest Are You?
Post by: sky121 on May 10, 2013, 01:21:36 PM
99% of the time I go back or let someone know I received too much money. The other 1% is when it would be a major inconvenience to go back and I feel as though it's not my job to go chase after their mistakes.

Sometimes I'll just call the store/company and let them know what happened and usually they just tell me to forget about it or they will take care of it ( ex. come pick up an extra stroller I received)
Title: Re: How Honest Are You?
Post by: bem684 on May 10, 2013, 01:55:40 PM
In 2008 CapitalOne offered me a perk on my No Hassle Rewards credit card - the choices were more points per dollar, a lower interest rate, or a higher credit line.  I already had the most points and the lowest rate they could offer, so I told them more credit please.  They said they would raise my limit by $1,500 (my limit at the time was probably about $4,500).  A week later I logged into my online account expecting a $6k limit, and I found a $19,500 limit.  I guess she added a zero lol.... I still have the card and they never took back the increase.
Title: Re: How Honest Are You?
Post by: RT on May 10, 2013, 02:54:36 PM
The question is, are you really making a kiddush hashem by going back? Does the non-Native American employee at TJ Maxx or Walmart really care that you came back to pay $20? In my opinion, she can't care less. If it was a small store where you would be dealing with the owner, he would probably appreciate that you came back and it would make a kiddush Hashem.
Title: Re: How Honest Are You?
Post by: meshugener on May 10, 2013, 03:27:32 PM
I never go back or call back to fix a mistake, unless I deal with a member of my parents' religion.
Title: Re: How Honest Are You?
Post by: sky121 on May 10, 2013, 03:29:03 PM
The question is, are you really making a kiddush hashem by going back? Does the non-Native American employee at TJ Maxx or Walmart really care that you came back to pay $20? In my opinion, she can't care less. If it was a small store where you would be dealing with the owner, he would probably appreciate that you came back and it would make a kiddush Hashem.

If it's a small storebusiness I would go back even with the hassle, or at least try letting the guy know and letting him deal with it.
Title: Re: How Honest Are You?
Post by: real-brisker on May 10, 2013, 03:43:25 PM
I went to a money changer in Geula, I gave him $100 when the rate was a bit under 4 nis to a dollar.

He gave me back close to 800NIS! I told the guy sir, I only gave you $100. He wasn't thankfull at all, what a jerk.
Title: Re: How Honest Are You?
Post by: ganizzy on May 10, 2013, 03:55:13 PM
i bought some stuff at a small store in ch.
there was some sort of sale.

after going over the reciept a bit later i saw that the worker had miscalculated the discount. wasnt major amount but it was a very busy convention and i figured she would make the same mistake a bunch more times.

i went back but it was a hassle to get her to figure out where her mistake was, and then a bigger hassle for her to figure out how to reprocess it.

if it wasnt in the shchuna....


Title: Re: How Honest Are You?
Post by: MosheP on May 10, 2013, 04:00:28 PM
I was in a bakery in Boro Park and I bought 5 danishes at $2 a piece. The total was $10, I gave my CC and was told we don't take CC. I had $5 cash so I asked for 2 pastries and $1 change. The really nice women told me take 3 and don't worry about it. I was 2 blocks away when I realized I also had 2 quarters in my pocket. I felt that I should go back and give it to the bakery as surely had I realized I had more money while still there I would have given it to them. The women was so shocked and surprised that I came back.
Title: Re: How Honest Are You?
Post by: CountValentine on May 10, 2013, 04:04:56 PM
Went to the bank at the drive-thru. When I opened the tube to put my deposit in it there sat around $400.

ETA: Anyone notice the minute I post in a thread it gets moved from GD to JS?

Title: Re: How Honest Are You?
Post by: george on May 10, 2013, 04:08:06 PM
Went to the bank at the drive-thru. When I opened the tube to put my deposit in it there sat around $400.
And? What did you do ;)
Title: Re: How Honest Are You?
Post by: Achas Veachas on May 10, 2013, 04:09:55 PM


ETA: Anyone notice the minute I post in a thread it gets moved from GD to JS?


-1
Was moved before
Title: Re: How Honest Are You?
Post by: CountValentine on May 10, 2013, 04:10:27 PM
And? What did you do ;)
I returned it because a was not a young grasshopper. To be honest if I was a young grasshopper I might not have returned it.
Title: Re: How Honest Are You?
Post by: CountValentine on May 10, 2013, 04:11:25 PM
Was moved before
Guess my eyes are playing tricks but I did only get two hours sleep.
Title: Re: How Honest Are You?
Post by: Achas Veachas on May 10, 2013, 04:12:58 PM
Guess my eyes are playing tricks but I did only get two hours sleep.
That's what happens when you waste a whole night on a game of LMS :P
Title: Re: How Honest Are You?
Post by: george on May 10, 2013, 04:13:27 PM
I returned it because a was not a young grasshopper. To be honest if I was a young grasshopper I might not have returned it.
good for you. It couldn't have been easy to do that.
Title: Re: How Honest Are You?
Post by: CountValentine on May 10, 2013, 04:14:23 PM
That's what happens when you waste a whole night on a game of LMS :P
It is not a waste when you win.  :)
Title: Re: How Honest Are You?
Post by: CountValentine on May 10, 2013, 04:16:34 PM
good for you. It couldn't have been easy to do that.
Super easy and didn't think twice. If I was younger, not so easy.
Title: Re: How Honest Are You?
Post by: sky121 on May 10, 2013, 04:17:38 PM
good for you. It couldn't have been easy to do that.

-1 I think most people here would have informed the teller.
Title: Re: How Honest Are You?
Post by: george on May 10, 2013, 04:18:08 PM
Super easy and didn't think twice. If I was younger, not so easy.
I'll have to take your word on that :)
Title: Re: How Honest Are You?
Post by: george on May 10, 2013, 04:18:48 PM
-1 I think most people here would have informed the teller.
I agree but would it be easy to do so?
Title: Re: How Honest Are You?
Post by: sky121 on May 10, 2013, 04:21:48 PM
I agree but would it be easy to do so?

That situation? I think so. I don't mean to sound all high and mighty- I just think things like that aren't always so hard. Anyone agree?


Title: Re: How Honest Are You?
Post by: sky121 on May 10, 2013, 04:23:52 PM
I don't know if its still on but there used to be a show called what would you do where they created scenarios and recorded real life people and their reactions. One week they had an episode where they left money with bank deposit slip outside a bank. Most people gave back the money, even a lady who was in very bad shape financially and could use every penny.  Most of the people didn't think twice.
Title: Re: How Honest Are You?
Post by: CountValentine on May 10, 2013, 04:35:06 PM
That situation? I think so. I don't mean to sound all high and mighty- I just think things like that aren't always so hard. Anyone agree?
I do agree but then I got thinking. What about when you get double posting of points and say nothing? Is that any different? Take it a step further, how about when you purposely play little tricks to get double points posted?
Title: Re: How Honest Are You?
Post by: sky121 on May 10, 2013, 04:42:08 PM
I do agree but then I got thinking. What about when you get double posting of points and say nothing? Is that any different? Take it a step further, how about when you purposely play little tricks to get double points posted?



I'm not saying it's easy to be honest and everyone does all the time. But with that specific example with money at the bank I think most people wouldn't really blink and just would tell the teller.

When it comes to points posting double that's a different story. Personally I wouldn't go and call the company to tell them double points posted.  Except unlike some other people I know I wouldn't get upset if they took them away.
Little tricks to get double points?
Like buying gift cards at the office store to get 5ppd?
Or do you mean something else?
Title: Re: How Honest Are You?
Post by: Achas Veachas on May 10, 2013, 04:42:20 PM
I do agree but then I got thinking. What about when you get double posting of points and say nothing? Is that any different? Take it a step further, how about when you purposely play little tricks to get double points posted?
I would say that most people have a certain 'disconnect' between points and 'real' money. Most people will view points as 'Monopoly money' that companies (airlines or CC companies) print at will. So while most here wouldn't take money dishonestly, they would have no problem taking points.
(the above is not saying anything about the "Rightness" or "Wrongness" of that view, for that we have an ethics thread :P )
Title: Re: How Honest Are You?
Post by: Achas Veachas on May 10, 2013, 04:43:40 PM

Little tricks to get double points?
Like buying gift cards at the office store to get 5ppd?
Or do you mean something else?
Double dipping, e.g. calling to have a bonus pushed through manually hoping that it will come through automatically too.
Title: Re: How Honest Are You?
Post by: sky121 on May 10, 2013, 04:44:25 PM
In general just like everything people pick and choose what they think is right and what they think they are obligated to do. Not feeling obligated to go drive half hour to inform a store they didn't charge you is NOT the same as doing something you know isn't 100% kosher and doing it anyways IMHO.
 There are differences. And a lot of these examples might fall under is it ethical...and we don't want to go there. ;)
Title: Re: How Honest Are You?
Post by: sky121 on May 10, 2013, 04:45:10 PM
Double dipping, e.g. calling to have a bonus pushed through manually hoping that it will come through automatically too.

Personally I don't do that. If it happens by accident I won't let them know but I don't try to double dip. But that's just me. I know people do.

Everyone picks and chooses.

Title: Re: How Honest Are You?
Post by: MEIR613 on May 10, 2013, 04:49:03 PM
IIRC there is something in one of the threads about get matched for an offer and your points post and then when you meet the spend they post again. Something along those lines but since it is not my cup of tea I didn't follow it.
ROFL
Title: Re: How Honest Are You?
Post by: sky121 on May 10, 2013, 04:50:48 PM
IIRC there is something in one of the threads about get matched for an offer and your points post and then when you meet the spend they post again. Something along those lines but since it is not my cup of tea I didn't follow it.

Yup. You could argue that's a bit of grey since in theory its not your job to keep track of what posts or not. I would have to assume most people wouldn't believe that's 100% kosher.
Title: Re: How Honest Are You?
Post by: CountValentine on May 10, 2013, 04:51:28 PM
ROFL
I deleted because I just seen AV's post but not sure what is funny.
Title: Re: How Honest Are You?
Post by: MEIR613 on May 10, 2013, 04:54:17 PM
I deleted because I just seen AV's post but not sure what is funny.
It's still in my qoute.
Title: Re: How Honest Are You?
Post by: CountValentine on May 10, 2013, 05:12:23 PM
It's still in my qoute.
I see that but I don't get what is funny about what I said. Am I missing something?
Title: Re: How Honest Are You?
Post by: CountValentine on May 10, 2013, 05:14:52 PM
I would say that most people have a certain 'disconnect' between points and 'real' money. Most people will view points as 'Monopoly money' that companies (airlines or CC companies) print at will. So while most here wouldn't take money dishonestly, they would have no problem taking points dishonestly.
(the above is not saying anything about the "Rightness" or "Wrongness" of that view, for that we have an ethics thread :P )
FTFY
Title: Re: How Honest Are You?
Post by: meshugener on May 10, 2013, 05:57:07 PM
Why the new thread?