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Title: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: Nitantnel on June 13, 2013, 07:51:41 PM
All rich people that I know are manipulative bullies who believe that the world is out to get them. 

Their inspiration to get rich is usually a result of their defense mechanism that compels them to trick the world before the evil world can trick them.

They thereby reinforce their distorted image of others, and begin to believe that, the world which they have now easily tricked, is dumb.

/end rant.
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: sky121 on June 13, 2013, 07:53:28 PM
You need to meet some nicer rich people.  :)
        There are plenty of poor jerks as well.
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: Nitantnel on June 13, 2013, 07:56:31 PM
I really haven't. Most rich people--I am not referring to people who are well off--that I know are like this. I only know one guy who is actually super nice.

Still, he messed over some other people with his brother, who he now does not talk to, being one of them
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: Dan on June 13, 2013, 08:00:21 PM
Define rich.
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: Nitantnel on June 13, 2013, 08:01:23 PM
5 Mil+
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: Achas Veachas on June 13, 2013, 08:02:05 PM
You need to meet some nicer rich people.  :)
        There are plenty of poor jerks as well.
While that is probably true, most poor people can't afford to act like jerks. That said, I do know some rich people who happen to be nice,
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: Dan on June 13, 2013, 08:02:47 PM
5 Mil+

How do you know that many people with that much money in the bank??
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: sky121 on June 13, 2013, 08:03:20 PM
How do you know that many people with that much money in the bank??

+1
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: Nitantnel on June 13, 2013, 08:05:54 PM
The few that I know are as described. None of them are normal nice people.

Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: sky121 on June 13, 2013, 08:07:48 PM
Are you close friends with these people ? Or they're just not nice on a normal 'friendly' day to day basis?

Where do all these people live ?
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: damaxer91 on June 13, 2013, 08:11:21 PM
All rich people that I know are manipulative bullies who believe that the world is out to get them. 

Their inspiration to get rich is usually a result of their defense mechanism that compels them to trick the world before the evil world can trick them.

They thereby reinforce their distorted image of others, and begin to believe that, the world which they have now easily tricked, is dumb.

/end rant.

Maybe you should start spending time in a different crowd.

Are you involved with any Tzedakas?
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: Nitantnel on June 13, 2013, 08:16:27 PM
I am not close friends with them, nor would I want to be. Two people that I am thinking of scammed my grandfather from the little money they owed him, and did it in a disgusting way.

Another person who I have in mind, who is actually worth well over 5 mil, left his office to babysit one of my fathers 11-dollar per hour workers to make sure that he is not wasting time. When the worker made a mistake, he told me, (and he said it at least five times,) that he needs to do it over "Of Zain Cheshbon! Of Zain Cheshbon!" 

I definitely may be wrong, but this is just a strong feeling that I have with people who became super rich from business.
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: Dan on June 13, 2013, 08:19:59 PM
Sounds more like a NYC way of business thing than a rich person thing ;)
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: damaxer91 on June 13, 2013, 08:21:54 PM
I am not close friends with them, nor would I want to be. Two people that I am thinking of scammed my grandfather from the little money they owed him, and did it in a disgusting way.

Another person who I have in mind, who is actually worth well over 5 mil, left his office to babysit one of my fathers 11-dollar per hour workers to make sure that he is not wasting time. When the worker made a mistake, he told me, (and he said it at least five times,) that he needs to do it over "Of Zain Cheshbon! Of Zain Cheshbon!" 

I definitely may be wrong, but this is just a strong feeling that I have with people who became super rich from business.

I happen to know two people from Pittsburgh and both are jerks, therefore all of Pittsburgh (and the state of Pennsylvania) are complete idiots whom we should all stay far away from!

#StupidGeneralities
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: Dan on June 13, 2013, 08:23:42 PM
I happen to know two people from Pittsburgh and both are jerks, therefore all of Pittsburgh (and the state of Pennsylvania) are complete idiots whom we should all stay far away from!

#StupidGeneralities
That.
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: damaxer91 on June 13, 2013, 08:24:46 PM
Oh and in case anyone gets offended I dont know anyone from Pittsburgh, I am just using an example
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: sky121 on June 13, 2013, 08:25:29 PM
Sounds more like a NYC way of business thing than a rich person thing ;)

+1 hence my q of where these people live. :)
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: Dan on June 13, 2013, 08:26:41 PM
+1 hence my q of where these people live. :)
Plenty of those CH/BP storeowners are likely not worth $5MM and yet they still manage to scowl at you for walking into their store :D
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: jj1000 on June 13, 2013, 09:31:59 PM
I happen to know two people from Pittsburgh and both are jerks, therefore all of Pittsburgh (and the state of Pennsylvania) are complete idiots whom we should all stay far away from!

#StupidGeneralities
Terrible example. People from Pittsburgh are all idiots :))
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: DovtheBear on June 13, 2013, 09:34:58 PM
Plenty of those CH/BP storeowners are likely not worth $5MM and yet they still manage to scowl at you. for walking into their store
FTFY  :)
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: Nitantnel on June 13, 2013, 09:35:57 PM
I happen to know two people from Pittsburgh and both are jerks, therefore all of Pittsburgh (and the state of Pennsylvania) are complete idiots whom we should all stay far away from!

#StupidGeneralities

Thank you for reminding me how to think.

Those two people that I mentioned are ones that I know personally, and that happened in my family.

My feelings that I am describing here are a result of many anecdotes that go around.

And here are another two:

#1 There's a guy in CH who now owns many stores, (I am sure all of you from here know who I'm talking about) who told one of his suppliers that if he were to stop supplying store x, he would begin buying double what he used to buy.

#2 This is a guy who gives plenty of Tzdakah, but when it came to registering his kids for day camp he asked for a discount ::)


Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: Ergel on June 13, 2013, 09:41:08 PM
I know a few people who are richer than anyone here can imagine. And they are very nice
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: DovtheBear on June 13, 2013, 09:41:43 PM
I know a few people who are richer than anyone here can imagine. And they are very nice
+1
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: lfas25 on June 13, 2013, 09:44:37 PM
I know a few people who are richer than anyone here can imagine. And they are very nice

+1

I also know a few that are as rich as people could imagine that are very nice
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: Dan on June 13, 2013, 09:46:16 PM
I know a few people who are richer than anyone here can imagine. And they are very nice
I just know just one, but nicer, warmer, and funnier than anyone.
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: Nitantnel on June 13, 2013, 09:48:13 PM
Well, good to know!
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 13, 2013, 09:52:21 PM
I deal with billionaires every day. Very nice people.
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: Achas Veachas on June 13, 2013, 09:53:07 PM
I know a few people who are richer than anyone here can imagine. And they are very nice
+1

I also know a few that are as rich as people could imagine that are very nice
I just know just one, but nicer, warmer, and funnier than anyone.
Well, I'm going to be rich one of these days, and I'm going to be nice ;D :P
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: Nitantnel on June 13, 2013, 09:58:26 PM
I am glad to be wrong, but let me first clarify what I meant:

I am not saying that rich people do nothing good. Obviously there are many that do tones of charity and other good stuff.

However, these very people also get into nasty fights that ordinary people don't usually get in to. My logic behind this reasoning is that it is aggression that gets business people rich, (although they prefer to believe that it's brilliance).

In this sense, these sharks who get rich through business, (as oppose to artists, and entrepreneurs, who believe more in their product or service than the money it brings them) are no different than those who get rich through stealing: They both get rich through a method that puts them into a class of their own.

Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: meshugener on June 13, 2013, 10:25:23 PM
All rich people that I know are manipulative bullies who believe that the world is out to get them. 

Their inspiration to get rich is usually a result of their defense mechanism that compels them to trick the world before the evil world can trick them.

They thereby reinforce their distorted image of others, and begin to believe that, the world which they have now easily tricked, is dumb.

/end rant.
Looks like you don't know me.
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: Nitantnel on June 13, 2013, 10:26:18 PM
Looks like you don't know me.
Does your unlisted programs make you that rich?  :P
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: meshugener on June 13, 2013, 10:27:34 PM
Does your unlisted programs make you that rich?  :P
Again with jealousy!
Folks, stop being jealous! Join me!
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: Nitantnel on June 13, 2013, 10:33:52 PM
And where do you see jealousy?

This just proves:
rich people believe that the world is out to get them. 


Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: damaxer91 on June 13, 2013, 10:49:52 PM
I am glad to be wrong, but let me first clarify what I meant:

I am not saying that rich people do nothing good. Obviously there are many that do tones of charity and other good stuff.

However, these very people also get into nasty fights that ordinary people don't usually get in to. My logic behind this reasoning is that it is aggression that gets business people rich, (although they prefer to believe that it's brilliance).

In this sense, these sharks who get rich through business, (as oppose to artists, and entrepreneurs, who believe more in their product or service than the money it brings them) are no different than those who get rich through stealing: They both get rich through a method that puts them into a class of their own.



You can get to 5M perhaps by stealing but nobody gets to be super-rich that way

And yes, once the stakes are higher things get dirtier. People tend to try and take advantage...
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: Nitantnel on June 13, 2013, 10:56:18 PM
My main point here is to express my astonishment with how rich people are viewed.

In our society, the rich are considered "successful," and elite, when many of them are sick people who got there, not while being sick, but through being sick. Yet these very people are honored for their money.


Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: AJK on June 13, 2013, 11:35:37 PM
You can get to 5M perhaps by stealing but nobody gets to be super-rich that way

Nothing could be farther from the truth.
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: smart brit on June 13, 2013, 11:43:58 PM
You can get to 5M perhaps by stealing but nobody gets to be super-rich that way

And yes, once the stakes are higher things get dirtier. People tend to try and take advantage...
+100
I actually deal with a very wealthy individual 20+ mil he lives a modest lifestyle and he is a really nice person.
Someone from his family screwed him over twice and although he won't deal with him anymore he still talks to him.
Just to prove that one can't generalise anything
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 13, 2013, 11:46:57 PM
You can get to 5M perhaps by stealing but nobody gets to be super-rich that way

And yes, once the stakes are higher things get dirtier. People tend to try and take advantage...
Not in America maybe but definitely elsewhere... See Russia for example...
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: jj1000 on June 13, 2013, 11:47:48 PM
Nothing could be farther from the truth.
+1

Madoff. Nuf' said :)
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: DovtheBear on June 13, 2013, 11:48:16 PM
+1

Madoff. Nuf' said :)
You beat me to it!  :)
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: AJK on June 13, 2013, 11:48:48 PM
Not in America maybe but definitely elsewhere... See Russia for example...

Precisely.

I'd venture to say that 80+% of the world's wealthiest people did some egregiously dirty and illegal things to get where they are now.
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: CountValentine on June 14, 2013, 01:31:38 AM
I know a few people who are richer than anyone here can imagine. And they are very nice
First part disagree
Second part same experience
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: rots5 on June 14, 2013, 03:03:15 AM
so i hear what hes saying. i know a couple who lives here in IL and the boys family is one of the wealthiest most well respected jews in NY (trying to be vauge) and he wont give a penny to his kids sitting and learning. i happen to know this guy is very self centered and is a jerk....yet the girls father just sold his company for 200+ mill and u woudl never even know it from the way they all act... so it just goes to show

but as PG stated, i know billionaires, yes, my FIL community is made of a few extremely wealthy ppl! there are ppl with hedge-funds, jewlery, dr's, lawyers and so on. i can say at least 2 in the billions, these guys have it all, yatchs, mansions all over the world, helicopters, private planes, and one a jewish camp :-) and yet, they are the nicest ppl i know! i think nitanel a big problem stems from the frum-ness of it all. what happens is, a lot of frum ppl get burned bec of all the organizations and such dont stop harassing them. and i think they just get sick of it all and feel everyone is after there money. but of course theres always the opposite which is very true! theres a frum yeshivish person who made it huge and all he does now a days is try to find property to build up certain areas to yeshicva life/working and has rent control so no one will take advt of the prices.
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: mow on June 14, 2013, 04:25:09 AM
Dan is very nice ;)
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: skyguy918 on June 14, 2013, 01:10:57 PM
I disagree with making such an overly generalized statement about rich people. I know many super wealthy individuals who are amazing on a personal level. Obviously there are other super wealthy individuals who are just terrible.

To me, if a person is super aggressive and not a mensch outside of their business affairs, it has nothing to do with being rich, it's because the person if fundamentally not a good person. What I think does happen sometimes though is you'll have people who hold themselves to one standard in their personal affairs, but behave differently in their business dealings. So they may get a (well deserved) bad rep because of how they act in their business, but they rationalize it thinking, I'm a good person but in business you do what you have to to make money.
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: good sam on June 14, 2013, 03:03:32 PM
I agree with OP.  I'm sick and tired of the 1% ruling over the 99%.  It's about time we have some justice around here.  I know a multi-billionaire who pays less in tax than his secretary!!  These people think that because of a few good ideas and some good luck, they're entitled to buy anything they can afford.  Well I've had it.  It's about time these people start paying my student loans.

#occupyddf
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: ahecht37 on June 14, 2013, 03:14:27 PM
I agree with OP.  I'm sick and tired of the 1% ruling over the 99%.  It's about time we have some justice around here.  I know a multi-billionaire who pays less in tax than his secretary!!  These people think that because of a few good ideas and some good luck, they're entitled to buy anything they can afford.  Well I've had it.  It's about time these people start paying my student loans.

#occupyddf
???
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: Redbull3 on June 14, 2013, 03:19:02 PM
I agree with OP.  I'm sick and tired of the 1% ruling over the 99%.  It's about time we have some justice around here.  I know a multi-billionaire who pays less in tax than his secretary!!  These people think that because of a few good ideas and some good luck, they're entitled to buy anything they can afford.  Well I've had it.  It's about time these people start paying my student loans.

#occupyddf

+1
Stop whining.
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: Bh101 on June 14, 2013, 03:47:53 PM
I agree with OP.  I'm sick and tired of the 1% ruling over the 99%.  It's about time we have some justice around here.  I know a multi-billionaire who pays less in tax than his secretary!!  These people think that because of a few good ideas and some good luck, they're entitled to buy anything they can afford.  Well I've had it.  It's about time these people start paying my student loans.

#occupyddf
multi billionaire who pays less tax then his Secretary?   i would love to be his secretary.
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 14, 2013, 04:27:20 PM
multi billionaire who pays less tax then his Secretary?   i would love to be his secretary.
less percentage, so what. The whole percentage based tax is one giant robbery.
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: moko on June 14, 2013, 05:09:06 PM
less percentage, so what. The whole percentage based tax is one giant robbery.
Flat tax guy? :)
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 14, 2013, 06:25:21 PM
Flat tax guy? :)
Why does it make sense that one guy pays $1,000,000 towards the country upkeep and the next guy pays $10?
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: AJK on June 14, 2013, 06:56:15 PM

Why does it make sense that one guy pays $1,000,000 towards the country upkeep and the next guy pays $10?

Silly argument.
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: skyguy918 on June 15, 2013, 10:13:18 PM
Am I the only one that realizes goodsam is being sarcastic?
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: Redbull3 on June 17, 2013, 02:04:19 PM
Am I the only one that realizes goodsam is being sarcastic?

No...
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: Menachem613 on June 26, 2013, 04:58:00 PM
The nastiest people I know happen to be poor.  I see no correlation between being nasty and rich.  Nasty and poor - yes. 
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: steeeveknowsbest on June 27, 2013, 02:18:39 AM
R' Elimelech of Lizhensk actually gave a bracha to his einiklach that they should be poor. He reasoned that the nisayon of being rich is far far greater than being poor.

 Clearly the OP has a point, years and years of everybody around you treating you with deference,being in charge, always getting your way and people dancing around and kissing up to you WILL ultimately change you, UNLESS you consciously and actively fight it vigorously. (as Jimmy Hendrix said "money makes people funny")

 That being said i have several close friends who have exemplary midddos and are amazingly nice and follow halacha and torah guidance to the T despite being ridiculously wealthy
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: jj1000 on June 27, 2013, 03:33:00 AM
R' Elimelech of Lizhensk actually gave a bracha to his einiklach that they should be poor. He reasoned that the nisayon of being rich is far far greater than being poor.

 Clearly the OP has a point, years and years of everybody around you treating you with deference,being in charge, always getting your way and people dancing around and kissing up to you WILL ultimately change you, UNLESS you consciously and actively fight it vigorously. (as Jimmy Hendrix said "money makes people funny")

 That being said i have several close friends who have exemplary midddos and are amazingly nice and follow halacha and torah guidance to the T despite being ridiculously wealthy
Lessons R' Elimelech and lehavdil Jimmy Hendrix in the same post. Impressive.
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: CountValentine on June 27, 2013, 06:53:11 AM
Lessons R' Elimelech and lehavdil Jimmy Hendrix in the same post. Impressive.
Did the other guy play music also?  :)
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: SamKey on June 27, 2013, 07:52:57 AM
Did the other guy play music also?  :)
On a deeper level ;)
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: steeeveknowsbest on June 27, 2013, 11:41:31 AM
On a deeper level ;)
;D well said
Title: Re: Why Are (Most) Rich People Bad?
Post by: whYME on July 19, 2013, 04:13:26 AM