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Title: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Eli on May 29, 2008, 01:19:41 AM
I'm heading out to Venice with a few friends in mid-July. I'd like to know if anyone has any advice on where to stay - spcifically over Shabbos. The hotels that we've looked at near the Jewish Ghetto are over $200 a night, and those are the cheap ones!

On another note if anyone has any general advice on sightseeing in Paris, Venice, Rome and London (that's our itinerary), please post so we can make our trip memorable.

Thanks
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: AsherO on May 29, 2008, 04:16:26 AM
Levi,

If you have any specific Venice questions, I'll try and answer them.
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: levi on May 29, 2008, 04:32:31 AM
Levi,

If you have any specific Venice questions, I'll try and answer them.
How far is the airport from the Jewish ghetto?
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: Dan on May 29, 2008, 11:11:02 AM
Asher, maybe you can bring over some of the great info you posted in the comments to this thread?
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: AsherO on May 29, 2008, 12:36:50 PM
Levi,

If you have any specific Venice questions, I'll try and answer them.
How far is the airport from the Jewish ghetto?

IIRC, there are three ways to get from the airport to Venice.


If I have time later , I'll make a custom Google Map with all the locations I mentioned.
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: levi on May 29, 2008, 01:05:12 PM
Levi,

If you have any specific Venice questions, I'll try and answer them.
How far is the airport from the Jewish ghetto?

IIRC, there are three ways to get from the airport to Venice.

  • Bus - takes you to Piazza'le Roma / Tronchetto (central car park, basically the only part of Venice that you can get to by car). This is the cheapest and best option for people who are new to Veince and on a budget.
  • Water Bus - You can take this to Fondamenta Nova, If you can find you way to the Ghetto from there, this is probably faster than the bus, but if you don't know your way around it'll take you hours to find the Ghetto.
  • Water Taxi - Very expensive (compared to the options above), but will take you directly to whatever part of Venice you want to get to in less than 40 minutes.

If I have time later , I'll make a custom Google Map with all the locations I mentioned.

Thanks Asher for all that info!  Yes it is our first time to Venice and we will be on a budget so it looks like the Bus tranportation will be the best option
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: Other Guy on May 29, 2008, 03:29:23 PM
Why is the whole DansDeals going to Venice?!
Was there some kind of amazing offer I missed?!
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: levi on May 29, 2008, 03:42:01 PM
Why is the whole DansDeals going to Venice?!
Was there some kind of amazing offer I missed?!

I actualy got a really good deal for Eli, Myself, and another friend. 4 flights Paris, Venice, Rome, and London all in Biz for 100,000 miles  (continental!)
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: Eli on May 29, 2008, 06:06:23 PM
I actualy got a really good deal for Eli, Myself, and another friend. 4 flights Paris, Venice, Rome, and London all in Biz for 100,000 miles  (continental!)

Levi's a little excited. I have a voicemail waiting for me every morning: "Eli, do you CHAP how amazing our itinerary is???"
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: levi on May 29, 2008, 06:11:59 PM
Levi's a little excited. I have a voicemail waiting for me every morning: "Eli, do you CHAP how amazing our itinerary is???"
Why you gata go there ;D
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: moish on May 30, 2008, 02:28:55 AM
im also planning on going to venice this summer during my trip to italy  can anyone reccomend a good tour guide for the ghetto area with the obvious focus on the jewish history , shuls etc.? also a good place to get good authentic venetian glass  (id love to see them actually blow it) ?
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: levi on May 30, 2008, 08:47:18 AM
im also planning on going to venice this summer during my trip to italy  can anyone reccomend a good tour guide for the ghetto area with the obvious focus on the jewish history , shuls etc.? also a good place to get good authentic venetian glass  (id love to see them actually blow it) ?
If you plan on visiting Rome I was recomended to go to romeforjews.com some friends that have used this tour guide in the past said great thngs about them
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: moish on May 30, 2008, 10:41:24 AM
does anyone know where i can find some halachic literature about visting the vatican museums and the sistine chapel?
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: AsherO on May 30, 2008, 11:44:29 AM
im also planning on going to venice this summer during my trip to italy  can anyone reccomend a good tour guide for the ghetto area with the obvious focus on the jewish history , shuls etc.?

The Ghetto has a Jewish museum which offers guided tours of the Ghetto.

also a good place to get good authentic venetian glass  (id love to see them actually blow it) ?

Go to Murano, you can see glass blowing there.
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: levi on June 04, 2008, 07:17:36 PM
So we ended up booking the Hotel ai Mori d'Oriente 3 nights including tax  $619.48 not a bad deal for a 4 star hotel 0.2 miles from the ghetto 
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: AsherO on June 04, 2008, 11:09:51 PM
Great location!
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: ChikkyMonkey on June 06, 2008, 12:53:48 PM
The Mori is a very nice hotel. It's on a small quiet canal. Very little traffic. It's very nicely decorated but the rooms are somewhat small (all Venice - and Europe - rooms are on the smaller side)

Just BTW there is a great boat you can take from the Airport Straight to the Jewish Ghetto without any need of walking, it's 12 Euro I believe...

Enjoy...  Why not come visit Afghanistan for your next vacation?! Hotels are far cheaper and we've got the good stuff.... if you know what I mean.
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: Eli on June 06, 2008, 03:55:01 PM
How do we get in touch with these boat people? When we get out of the airport, where do we go? And once we're at the Jewish Ghetto, is there another boat bus to take the the Il Mori?
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: ChikkyMonkey on June 06, 2008, 06:38:20 PM
The Mori doesn't have any stop right near it, as it's a very small canal... There might be something on the lagoon... I would recommend calling the hotel and asking them what stop is the closest... From the Ghetto it would prob. take about 10-15 minutes to walk there...

To get the boat which passes by the ghetto just ask the information booth when you arrive in Marco Polo (not Treviso I hope).... The bus boat to the Ghetto is a smaller boat then the usual bus boats (otherwise known as veporettos...)

Good luck!
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: Eli on June 08, 2008, 01:33:32 AM
Chikky, is there any more info you can give that would help us on our Thursday-Monday trip to Venice?

Thanks, I appreciate it.
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: levi on June 12, 2008, 03:20:52 AM
Anyone ever experience the overnight train from Venice to Rome? Any tips or thoughts?
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: moish on June 12, 2008, 03:37:48 AM
Anyone ever experience the overnight train from Venice to Rome? Any tips or thoughts?
just curious  how much does such a train cost?
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: AsherO on June 12, 2008, 01:39:17 PM
One thing I heard lots of times (and this goes for anywhere in Italy, not just trains) is that you should keep your belongings secure. There are lots of theives and pickpockets.
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: ChikkyMonkey on June 13, 2008, 06:00:02 PM
trains are a great way to get around Italy (or Europe for that matter)....  I think there are some better trains for a little more (maybe Eurostar?!)....

Safety is always a concern in Italy, so if you sleep make sure your belongings are not easily accessible.... 

Re Venice, There is a nice tower in S. Marco you might want to go up and get an aerial view of the area.... Rialto bridge of course is the other famous landmark with shops along the bridge.... (not quite like the Ponte Vecchio in Florence..)

Venice is all about walking... and getting lost...

If you have any tzedokah (maser) be sure to leave something for the local Shliach who is one of the best shluchim out there... (that's aside from the free shabbos food he provides...)
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: levi on June 17, 2008, 01:34:01 AM
We will be spending a night in Lido has anyone ever been there that can recommend what to do the day we have there
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: Eli on June 17, 2008, 10:54:06 PM
Someone please advise me on how to find out about the overnight train from Venice to Rome...Levi will kill me if I don't arrange this and I can't find any info online for it.

Thanks
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: ChikkyMonkey on June 18, 2008, 11:30:42 AM
Lido is basically Venice for cheap... There isn't much there, just hop on a boat and you're in Venice..... You can rent bikes there, but why bother..?!

Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: ChikkyMonkey on June 18, 2008, 11:36:10 AM
This is the train website, http://www.trenitalia.it/en/index.html but normally you can just purchase tickets upon arrival....
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: levi on June 18, 2008, 04:47:35 PM
Thanks ChikkyMonkey, Have you ever taken one of these trains?
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: ChikkyMonkey on June 24, 2008, 03:58:39 AM
yep... but the trains do vary... overall traveling in Italy (and Europe) by train is very pleasant.... Driving can be nice but expensive (gas is more like $8 a gallon, and if you don't drive stick expect to pay an additional $40-50 a day, above the already high rates of about $100 + a day)
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: levi on June 24, 2008, 07:43:55 AM
I am still trying to find the over night train from Venice to Rome for the night of July 14th can you please help me
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: Smirk on June 24, 2008, 03:49:29 PM
http://www.raileurope.com/us/rail/specialty/es.htm?F0=Rome&T0=Venice&WT.mc_id=google.pp_Rome_to_Venice.cpc&WT.srch=1&gclid=CNSnl8rtjZQCFSahiQodxgwlXQ
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: Eli on June 24, 2008, 03:57:47 PM
We saw that already but it's not the overnight train. It leaves at like 6:30pm and arrives at 11:08pm. That doesn't help me. I need one that leaves around 2am and arrives at 6am
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: Smirk on June 24, 2008, 04:05:43 PM
maybe this will work, https://www.eurorailways.com/eshop/product.php?productID=510756 it leaves at 12 and  arrives at 7
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: levi on June 25, 2008, 03:51:31 AM
maybe this will work, https://www.eurorailways.com/eshop/product.php?productID=510756 it leaves at 12 and  arrives at 7
Thanks AS thats exactly what I was looking for
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: Smirk on July 03, 2008, 12:43:41 AM
So we ended up booking the Hotel ai Mori d'Oriente 3 nights including tax  $619.48 not a bad deal for a 4 star hotel 0.2 miles from the ghetto 
scratch that, levi is still looking for a hotel in venice, anyone care to help him?
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: levi on July 03, 2008, 02:12:34 AM
scratch that, levi is still looking for a hotel in venice, anyone care to help him?
Yes, that is correct AS has decided to join us on our vacaation and therefor the room we have now will not accommodate 4 people so we are back to square one, we are looking for a hotel in Venice near the Jewish ghetto that can accommodate 4 people.
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: Dan on July 03, 2008, 01:03:12 PM
Have you guys bought some good travel guidebooks?
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: levi on July 03, 2008, 01:15:14 PM
Have you guys bought some good travel guidebooks?
No we did not, we just searched online for things to do in the cities that we will be in.
Should we buy a guidebook? Is there any specific guidbook that you recommend?
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: Dan on July 03, 2008, 01:20:45 PM
I wouldn't travel anywhere without a lonely planet guidebook.
 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fs%3Furl%3Dsearch-alias%253Daps%26field-keywords%3Dlonely%2Bplanet%26x%3D0%26y%3D0&tag=ctownbochur-20&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=9325)
They have so many good suggestions and ideas that you won't find online, and the cost for a few books is a drop in the bucket compared to the entire trip.
If you guys need free 2 day shipping from amazon on any guidebooks just let me know.
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: Eli on July 04, 2008, 12:31:12 AM
Yes, that is correct AS has decided to join us on our vacaation and therefor the room we have now will not accommodate 4 people so we are back to square one, we are looking for a hotel in Venice near the Jewish ghetto that can accommodate 4 people.

AS is joining us on our vacation? Was I involved in that decision? :)
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: Eli on July 04, 2008, 12:34:32 AM
I wouldn't travel anywhere without a lonely planet guidebook.
 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fs%3Furl%3Dsearch-alias%253Daps%26field-keywords%3Dlonely%2Bplanet%26x%3D0%26y%3D0&tag=ctownbochur-20&linkCode=ur2&camp=1789&creative=9325)
They have so many good suggestions and ideas that you won't find online, and the cost for a few books is a drop in the bucket compared to the entire trip.
If you guys need free 2 day shipping from amazon on any guidebooks just let me know.

But Dan, we are going to France, Italy and UK, do you think the Europe book will be enough? Should we get one just for Italy because that is where we are going to be most of the time?

Also, I don't think there is enough time even with free 2 day shipping to get the book on time before we leave (because of July 4th). Is there any way to buy it in Barnes and Noble?

Also, is it only the Lonely Planet book that is good or are there others out there that will do the job?

Thanks for your help. If anyone else has any last minute "must-see's" for us in Paris, Venice, Rome and London, please let us know. Also, if you will be there this coming week or the next and want to hook up, just PM one of us.
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: ChikkyMonkey on July 04, 2008, 02:51:48 AM
you better hurry and find a hotel, Venice hotels are usually booked months in advance.... I doubt you'll find a hotel that will accommodate 4 adults... Rooms are very small and hardly fit 3....

Good luck though... Lonely planet is the way to go, pick it up in any book store... Leave a donation or some maser in Venice if you are there for shabbos, and if you are not...
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: moish on July 04, 2008, 10:39:20 AM
Yes, that is correct AS has decided to join us on our vacaation and therefor the room we have now will not accommodate 4 people so we are back to square one, we are looking for a hotel in Venice near the Jewish ghetto that can accommodate 4 people.
what about renting a place? im  looking into that for my trip. does anyone have experience with that?
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: ChikkyMonkey on July 04, 2008, 02:51:52 PM
renting apartments could be more expensive than hotels. many hotels around the Ghetto own apartment which they rent (Ariel Silva is one of them - http://arielsilva.hotelinvenice.com/) but chances are you'll pay more than hotel for an apartment.. give them a try though
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: moish on July 18, 2008, 08:35:37 AM
levi where did you end up staying in venice ?
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: moish on July 18, 2008, 10:12:15 AM
also i just read the reviews of the Ai Mori d'Oriente Hotel on trip advisor and they seemed pretty good, any reason for the sudden change of heart that i should know about?
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: levi on July 18, 2008, 11:08:20 AM
We stayed at a place called Hotel Florida they garanteed us 4 beds in one room that's why we stayed there, the Ai Mori told us that there would only be two beds
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: Smirk on July 18, 2008, 04:26:33 PM
We stayed at a place called Hotel Florida they garanteed us 4 beds in one room that's why we stayed there, the Ai Mori told us that there would only be two beds
i thought we stayed at the danielli ;)
Title: Re: I'm heading to Venice...
Post by: Dan on May 05, 2010, 03:01:48 AM
Are there any kosher restaurants/eateries in Venice besides Gam Gam?

I take it that a water bus is the best way from VCE to the Westin?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: steve2 on May 05, 2010, 04:22:25 AM
Are there any kosher restaurants/eateries in Venice besides Gam Gam?

I take it that a water bus is the best way from VCE to the Westin?

 No water buses to/from VCE.

 There are water taxis but once you hear the price you will probably try to convince your wife to swim instead

 you can take areg bus to I believe Roma Plaza and a water bus from there.Go onto FT and do a search on SPG for Europa & Regina and everything will be explained, most people arrive via Train from Rome or wherever, so no water taxi needed

 theres 1 more restaurant in the sq where Chabad is located and directly across from their entrance the store front and not the shul

 AFAIK there are only these 2 fleshig places
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Smirk on May 05, 2010, 07:48:43 AM
Are there any kosher restaurants/eateries in Venice besides Gam Gam?
There is this kosher bakery right up the alley by Gam Gam, that we had gotten cold cut sandwich's and they also had some groceries. It's kosher but dont know about glatt or not.
I take it that a water bus is the best way from VCE to the Westin?
As Steve2 said the best way is to take a bus to Piazzala Roma and from there you will have a short walk to the water taxi, i forget the name but you'll see signs (unless they changed that to make it closer, its been 2 years)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on May 05, 2010, 08:24:04 AM
are you staying for shabbos? if yes i would forgo the spg and just stay at a hotel near the ghetto. just so much more convenient.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Smirk on May 05, 2010, 08:51:52 AM
If its nice weather, why? Its a beautiful walk
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: ChikkyMonkey on May 05, 2010, 09:34:18 AM
There is a new restaurant that's a fortune... It in the Ghetto square, and its located near the Jewish old age home....

I still recommend gam gam, Ramy is the most amazing guy I've ever met!!

Water bus is the best way to go, water taxis are a fortune...

For shabbos if you want a nice hotel within walking distance to the Ghetto look at the Dei Dogi (http://www.boscolohotels.com/boscolo-italia-europa/hotel-lusso-venezia/deidogi/index.html) ... its been years since I stayed there but it's a nice hotel... (not cheap though..)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: ChikkyMonkey on May 05, 2010, 09:36:47 AM
sorry I thought you were arriving by train, by flight, you can get a shared water boat has certain stops all over venice.. search for it... it's a lot more convenient than bus, water bus etc.. (not that it's bad, but still this is better..)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on May 05, 2010, 10:49:00 AM
We are there Friday-Monday, but google says it's 1.4 miles/28 minute walk from the Westin E&R to Chabad which is fine by us.

So, here are the options to get from VCE to the westin, any reccomendations?
-Bus to Piazzale Roma = €6 for 2 people. Water Taxi from Piazzale Roma to Westin=€65
-Water taxi to hotel= €95 for 2 people.
-Alilaguna Water Bus, Express to S. Marco (1 hour) =  €50 for 2 people.
-Alilaguna Water Bus with stops to S. Marco (1.5 hours) =  €25 for 2 people.


Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: ChikkyMonkey on May 05, 2010, 12:12:43 PM
We are there Friday-Monday, but google says it's 1.4 miles/28 minute walk from the Westin E&R to Chabad which is fine by us.

So, here are the options to get from VCE to the westin, any reccomendations?
-Bus to Piazzale Roma = €6 for 2 people. Water Taxi from Piazzale Roma to Westin=€65
-Water taxi to hotel= €95 for 2 people.
-Alilaguna Water Bus, Express to S. Marco (1 hour) =  €50 for 2 people.
-Alilaguna Water Bus with stops to S. Marco (1.5 hours) =  €25 for 2 people.

Most classy, if it's like a honeymoon I would go for the water taxi all the way from airport... If your taking  a bus to piazzale roma kind of doesn't make sense to take a water taxi anymore...

Otherwise would go for the cheaper water bus so s. marco...
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on May 05, 2010, 12:30:29 PM
Most classy, if it's like a honeymoon I would go for the water taxi all the way from airport... If your taking  a bus to piazzale roma kind of doesn't make sense to take a water taxi anymore...

Otherwise would go for the cheaper water bus so s. marco...
I think we'll just take the regular water bus for €25, not really worth paying 4 times that.
How may people can fit in a water taxi? If we happen to fund others going to the Westin it may make sense to take the water taxi.

So just Gam Gam and the other expensive restaurant? Is the bakery considered acceptable? Any other places that are acceptable?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: ChikkyMonkey on May 05, 2010, 12:40:27 PM
I think we'll just take the regular water bus for €25, not really worth paying 4 times that.
How may people can fit in a water taxi? If we happen to fund others going to the Westin it may make sense to take the water taxi.

So just Gam Gam and the other expensive restaurant? Is the bakery considered acceptable? Any other places that are acceptable?

Taxis can fit a nice 8-10 people... I doubt you'll find others going to the Westin though..... so it might just be the water bus, which is perfectly acceptable, and a nice ride....

The Shliach there, Ramy, is amazing! if you have any questions ask him, he'll gladly help... bakery I'm not sure as it often changes, best to find out when there...

Those are the only two restaurant...

Enjoy!! you'll have a blast... a gondola ride is a must!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on May 05, 2010, 12:59:37 PM
i recall there being a pizza shop also. its all in the same alleyway. if taking a gondola ride its best about an hour before sunset. we took the secret tour of the doges palace which we got tickets beforehand
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on May 07, 2010, 02:58:53 PM
Steve, you had mentioned that there is a kosher slurpee place in Venice.
Do you know where it is/what's it called?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: steve2 on May 07, 2010, 03:57:50 PM
Steve, you had mentioned that there is a kosher slurpee place in Venice.
Do you know where it is/what's it called?

 why did U PM me what if I didnt check out this thread

Ok as I once said from the E&R you follow the signs to Rialto (Rrialto Bridge) which is the way tio GamGam as well. You will be on a wide street after making a left turn onto that major street . The Rialto Bridge and the Canal is parallel to this street. The street will eventually get narrow and if you are walking on the right side of that street if you dont move to the left you cant help but walk Smack into the store, as to get to GG you need to continue walking straight down that street till it ends bear left and walk over the small canal and keep walking and walking.

 Think more of fruit shakes then slurpee
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on May 07, 2010, 06:19:05 PM
I figured it would be good info for the master thread.

Hopefully I'll find the place...sounds like a Jamba Juice type of place?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: steve2 on May 07, 2010, 06:35:30 PM

 why didnt U PM me what if I didnt check out this thread

Ok as I once said from the E&R you follow the signs to Rialto (Rialto Bridge) which is the way tio GamGam as well. You will be on a wide street after making a Right turn onto that major street . The Rialto Bridge and the Canal is parallel to this street, and will be on your left once U turned Right onto that wide street

 The street will eventually get narrow and if you are walking on the right side of that street if you dont move to the left you cant help but walk Smack into the store, as to get to GG you need to continue walking straight down that street till it ends bear left and walk over the small canal and keep walking and walking.

 Think more of fruit shakes then slurpee

 I rewrote somethings that I had wrong and omitted in my 1st draft

 Yea sort of a JJ typeof place, also theres a grocery that had Israeli products in the window but also most things in it wasnt Kosher the store wasnt under any hecksher at least tis was the case last Summer maybe different now. When you get to GG and make a right into that alley that everyone mentions you can walk straight by bearing to the right or yep once again you will smack into a building, anyway keep walking over the brdge and you will be in a huge sq on your Right on teh corner near you is the Chadbad offices , teh shul is across the sq on the other side.

This is why I wanted you to call and have  amap out it would have taken 5 mins to show U everything
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on May 08, 2010, 05:50:03 PM
As far as I remember the only kosher places are GG, and 2 shops almost opposite each other.
They are within 20 second walking distance from each other.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on May 08, 2010, 05:53:35 PM
....and the "upscale" place in the courtyard of the ghetto. when i was there two summers ago it was just opening, so maybe by now the quotations should come off...or not
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: ChikkyMonkey on May 09, 2010, 06:19:08 AM
This is the other kosher place, I personally wouldn't bother with them, prices are very expensive, and wasn't impressed!! http://www.kosherinvenice.com/

I don't believe there is any other kosher like jamba juice place... things constantly change, and quite possibly if there was it would be dairy... I would strongly recommend you speak with the shliach there before assuming somethings ok. His e-mail is Chabad@JewishVenice.org

and like I said shabbos there is great, he doesn't charge, but if you enjoyed it, I would strongly suggest you leave a donation, they need it and it's a great cause..

BTW there is an Israeli who opened a similar store to what you mentioned (fruit, cafe etc..) but don't think it's kosher..
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: steve2 on May 09, 2010, 10:17:43 AM
This is the other kosher place, I personally wouldn't bother with them, prices are very expensive, and wasn't impressed!! http://www.kosherinvenice.com/


and like I said shabbos there is great, he doesn't charge, but if you enjoyed it, I would strongly suggest you leave a donation, they need it and it's a great cause..


 its a YMMV issue as I ate at GG and wont ever again found it to be pure garbage (this was on Shabbos) and people who were there a month before found the opposite. As for the other place in the Sq of the ghetto with the B&B , youre the 1st person who said it wasnt any good

 Now I did speak with Rami since the food and service was really bad and asked why dont you charge for Shabbos meals and thusly can give better food and service, he said he found if he didnt charge and left it to donations then hed make alot more $$ as people will generally give alot more then what he would charge
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: ChikkyMonkey on May 09, 2010, 02:20:06 PM
Now I did speak with Rami since the food and service was really bad and asked why dont you charge for Shabbos meals and thusly can give better food and service, he said he found if he didnt charge and left it to donations then hed make alot more $$ as people will generally give alot more then what he would charge

The other issue is that many people that come for shabbos wouldn't come if it wasn't free... backpackers, Israeli tourists, students, etc.... in the summer he hosts hundreds of these guys each week, so that's another reason he doesn't charge...

I'm not saying Gam Gam is great, but overall I was quite happy there, I even attended a wedding catered by Gam Gam and that was great!!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: steve2 on May 09, 2010, 02:36:10 PM
The other issue is that many people that come for shabbos wouldn't come if it wasn't free... backpackers, Israeli tourists, students, etc.... in the summer he hosts hundreds of these guys each week, so that's another reason he doesn't charge...

I'm not saying Gam Gam is great, but overall I was quite happy there, I even attended a wedding catered by Gam Gam and that was great!!

 I understood that, he said he doesnt charge not for that reason, but simply that those who would have paid will end up giving him alot more $$ then if he had charged them from get go, and nothing to do with the backpackers etc etc.

He just felt he will get alot more $$$ out of those who will pay if he didnt charge but left it up to them to make a Donation, if that wasnt the case believe me he would be charging (not the backpacker types) It was simply a business decission on how he can make more $$$, nothing more nothing less. Yes I discussed it with him and that was his answer to me
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on May 09, 2010, 03:00:45 PM
Not very nice, and probaby not true.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on May 09, 2010, 03:06:03 PM
I have a hard time believing anyone makes a business decision of not charging.  I'm not doubting that's what he said, perhaps to get you to make a donation, but still there's few businesses in the world that could survive on such a model.  And then why charge on weekdays for the food? Just make that free as well....I'm sure the weekdays subsidize the shabbos meals.

Chabad Shluchim go out to timbuktu and dedicate their lives to what they feel will help will hasten the coming of moshiach.  If it's providing free shabbos meals (or if they feel bad charging $ for a shabbos meal) than that's what they'll do if they can afford to make it happen.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Deal Guy on May 09, 2010, 03:10:13 PM
I have a hard time believing anyone makes a business decision of not charging.  I'm not doubting that's what he said, perhaps to get you to make a donation, but still there's few businesses in the world that could survive on such a model.  And then why charge on weekdays for the food? Just make that free as well....I'm sure the weekdays subsidize the shabbos meals.

Chabad Shluchim go out to timbuktu and dedicate their lives to what they feel will help will hasten the coming of moshiach.  If it's providing free shabbos meals (or if they feel bad charging $ for a shabbos meal) than that's what they'll do if they can afford to make it happen.

+1
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: steve2 on May 09, 2010, 03:10:18 PM
Not very nice, and probaby not true.

 the 1st part is open to discussion

the 2nd part, isnt and I took him at his word, and yes I know people who ended up giving him more then what they would have paid , they said well since he left it up to us Id feel very cheap if I didnt give a nice amount, so Rami was Right. Otherwsie he could have it that the freeloaders come to the 1st sitting those paying the 2nd or vice versa or those paying eat inside everyone else outside. Siad he wont do it simply cause he wont make as much, by charging a set amount
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: steve2 on May 09, 2010, 03:13:06 PM
I have a hard time believing anyone makes a business decision of not charging.  I'm not doubting that's what he said, perhaps to get you to make a donation, but still there's few businesses in the world that could survive on such a model.  And then why charge on weekdays for the food? Just make that free as well....I'm sure the weekdays subsidize the shabbos meals.

Chabad Shluchim go out to timbuktu and dedicate their lives to what they feel will help will hasten the coming of moshiach.  If it's providing free shabbos meals (or if they feel bad charging $ for a shabbos meal) than that's what they'll do if they can afford to make it happen.

 Maybe you are Correct, ask him when you are there in a couple of weeks and report back. I can only tell you what he in fact told me when I asked him and he answered me

 But there are numerous Chabad places that in Fact do have a set price. Dont know if HNL gets that many walk ins but they do have a set price for eg
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: ChikkyMonkey on May 09, 2010, 03:26:38 PM
I've known Ramy personally for over 10 years... I've travelled the world and come across many shluchim... they are all very dedicated and given over... But I have yet to see someone as kind and helpful as Ramy. I personally seen him hand Israeli backpackers hundreds of dollars, because they purse was stolen and they lost everything passport included...

I've seen people come to the restaurant eat for free and complain to him, and he would just smile and do his best to help them out...

He has hosted and catered numerous of simchas free of charge, just so they could enjoy a simcha....

Believe me the shabbosim aren't covered by the donations... the majority of people 90% don't leave a penny... He has no hard feelings and is thrilled to have the zchus of hosting some many jews of different backgrounds...

They are currently in middle of a fundraising campaign, I recently made a donation and would encourage others who have benefited to do the same... here's the info: http://www.jewishvenice.org/ 
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: steve2 on May 09, 2010, 03:49:48 PM
I've known Ramy personally for over 10 years... I've travelled the world and come across many shluchim... they are all very dedicated and given over... But I have yet to see someone as kind and helpful as Ramy. I personally seen him hand Israeli backpackers hundreds of dollars, because they purse was stolen and they lost everything passport included...

I've seen people come to the restaurant eat for free and complain to him, and he would just smile and do his best to help them out...

He has hosted and catered numerous of simchas free of charge, just so they could enjoy a simcha....

Believe me the shabbosim aren't covered by the donations... the majority of people 90% don't leave a penny... He has no hard feelings and is thrilled to have the zchus of hosting some many jews of different backgrounds...

They are currently in middle of a fundraising campaign, I recently made a donation and would encourage others who have benefited to do the same... here's the info: http://www.jewishvenice.org/  

 well if a person wants to run a fund raising event then say thats what you are doing. No matter the cause or reason.

 Nothing against him personally but Id rather pay whatever the other place wants and have a reg Shabbos meal and not be hungry, nor do I like a parve meal for Shabbos lunch (ok maybe they spilled some beef fat on the potatoes that made up the chulet, but there wasnt even a piece of meat or bone to be found). Maybe you just have to be a Chabadnik of which I am definitely NOT

 Why did I go there simple the other guy felt why pay when you can get something for free, alot of people on here can relate to that very well. When next back in VCE I most definitely will be eating at the other place even if I have to alone

 Kowloon had a very nice spread but I prefer the atmosphere at Kehilat Zion 1000% better (thats HKG)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on May 09, 2010, 04:45:48 PM
I was in the summer in venice, and had shabbos together with 100's of people of which maybe maybe 15 percent would donate. I meet people from all over and it was good fun.
Was there a second time of season and only about 40 people were there, and although some of them seem to have money, they felt as if they've been sincerely invited, so I wouldn't exactly see why he would donate.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on May 31, 2010, 03:23:11 PM
Shabbos in Venice is a must, Chabad there, although a bit "messianic," is just amazing.
Chabad also just opened a very good pizza shop with excellent bakery goods...more about that in an upcoming trip report.

Also for SPG be sure not to stay at the Danieli for Shabbos, stick with the Cat. 5 Westin or Cat. 6 Gritti Palace.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: steve2 on May 31, 2010, 03:53:09 PM
Shabbos in Venice is a must, Chabad there, although a bit "messianic," ...


 Boy are U being very nice by saying "a bit" those arent the words Id use to describe most of those there
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on May 31, 2010, 04:05:49 PM
I loved the "antipasti a la messianica"

Yummm yummm :D
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on May 31, 2010, 06:29:55 PM
Boy are U being very nice by saying "a bit" those arent the words Id use to describe most of those there
They provide an amazing service for free...how can I not be nice in return?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on May 31, 2010, 06:36:59 PM
They were always very nice, was there a couple of times.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: steve2 on June 01, 2010, 01:29:02 AM
They provide an amazing service for free...how can I not be nice in return?

 what 'service' did they provide for free?? I cant believe you didnt pay(OK  make a very nice Donation to cover your Shabbos meals)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on June 01, 2010, 03:30:23 AM
Steve2, this is a deja vue.

I was there once on a shabbos day meal, when a group of about 80 israelis walked past.
We all said, shabat shalom, join us. They didn't want, till we told them that it is free. They didn't want to believe it, but after pushing they agreed. After the meal, they left. They were in venice for the day, so chabad/gamgam/banin didn't make a cent on them.
If you really believe that he is making more profit out of getting donations and supplying free shabes meals, vs charging for meals, then I need to take my hat of for you. It means that you think that yidden are way more generous than I thought them to be.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on June 01, 2010, 09:48:10 AM
what 'service' did they provide for free?? I cant believe you didnt pay(OK  make a very nice Donation to cover your Shabbos meals)
We ate at Gam Gam a few times, and bought a pie of pizza and one of every type of absolutely delicious baked good at the new Gam Gam Pizza/Treat shop.  
I also gave him my card and offered my help in the future, but no, I didn't outright pay for the shabbos meals, which as per my email conversation with Rami were free.  I do hope that all of the other meals at their restaurants covered the shabbos food, but I was never asked for a donation by Rami.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: steve2 on June 01, 2010, 12:51:38 PM
We ate at Gam Gam a few times, and bought a pie of pizza and one of every type of absolutely delicious baked good at the new Gam Gam Pizza/Treat shop. 
I also gave him my card and offered my help in the future, but no, I didn't outright pay for the shabbos meals, which as per my email conversation with Rami were free.  I do hope that all of the other meals at their restaurants covered the shabbos food, but I was never asked for a donation by Rami.



WOW, Im Speechless especially after what everyone has posted on this thread, and yes Surprised as well
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: steve2 on June 01, 2010, 12:54:42 PM
Steve2, this is a deja vue.

I was there once on a shabbos day meal, when a group of about 80 israelis walked past.
We all said, shabat shalom, join us. They didn't want, till we told them that it is free. They didn't want to believe it, but after pushing they agreed. After the meal, they left. They were in venice for the day, so chabad/gamgam/banin didn't make a cent on them.
If you really believe that he is making more profit out of getting donations and supplying free shabes meals, vs charging for meals, then I need to take my hat of for you. It means that you think that yidden are way more generous than I thought them to be.

 those that I know who ate there felt after being told its Free but you can always make a donation if you wish to. Ended up giving a few $100 as they felt funny not to

Maybe its a generation thing or a thing with those who are well off to those who arent
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on June 01, 2010, 01:00:06 PM
Sorry to leave you so speechless, but I spent close to $200 at Rami's restaurants trying out many different dishes.
He seemed pleased enough with that as he even gave me extra food for the trip home double wrapped for the airplane.

Like I said, he fully expects people to eat at the restaurants to subsidize the free shabbos meals.  Obviously donations are much appreciated, but that's not the purpose of free shabbos meals!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on June 01, 2010, 01:25:49 PM
those that I know who ate there felt after being told its Free but you can always make a donation if you wish to. Ended up giving a few $100 as they felt funny not to

Maybe its a generation thing or a thing with those who are well off to those who arent

No worries, its mostly americans who feel the they NEED to leave tips and so on.

europeans would look on a case by case basis,

and israelis.......
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: steve2 on June 01, 2010, 01:35:44 PM
Sorry to leave you so speechless, but I spent close to $200 at Rami's restaurants trying out many different dishes.
He seemed pleased enough with that as he even gave me extra food for the trip home double wrapped for the airplane.

Like I said, he fully expects people to eat at the restaurants to subsidize the free shabbos meals.  Obviously donations are much appreciated, but that's not the purpose of free shabbos meals!

 well before this year there was but 1 restaurant thats besides the office and shul in the sq, and from what I understood the donations were very much needed to cover everything


 U could have spent $1000 things arent cheap in Europe and no way would I say since I spent X$s at other businesses owned by the same owner I can therefore have a free go at another of their places, but thats just me

 I think there maybe some Israelis w/o any $$ that will endup in VCE but I highly doubt that anyone else will fit that bill

 seems we simply view things way differently from one another
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moe on June 01, 2010, 03:40:56 PM
Also for SPG be sure not to stay at the Danieli for Shabbos, stick with the Cat. 5 Westin or Cat. 6 Gritti Palace.
dan, which one would you say is nicer (more modern etc.) from those 2 places? I will be there end of july for shabbos, and i will use weekend awards, so either one will "cost" me the same...
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: ceejay on June 01, 2010, 04:36:32 PM
I think the purpose of charging (or you giving a donation) is keep people who are just trying to get a free meal at bay. I dont think Chabad really minds its just that their main purpose is kiruv.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: steve2 on June 01, 2010, 06:12:00 PM
I think the purpose of charging (or you giving a donation) is keep people who are just trying to get a free meal at bay. I dont think Chabad really minds its just that their main purpose is kiruv.

 Ok let me try it this way!

 I fully understand that Chabad wants those who ordinarly might not have a Shabbos meal to have 1 and if that means not charging them so be it, since theyd just go over to say the cheapest non-kosher restaurant and eat there

 What I didnt understand is why not charge those who are Shomer Shabbos? as its a great help knowing that a person will know they can have a hot meal on Shabbos. Also you can seat them in a closed area and provide them with a proper meal rather then what everyone gets. (at least in VCE) who arent paying for their meal. If Im paying $6.99 for a lunch special I wont expect a  steak with all the trimmings, I expect to get what I paid for if $0 then I should be happy with whatever it is

  Now for the last time I asked Rami why he didnt charge for Shabbos meals no different then the places Ive eaten at in Budapest or Vienna, he answered cause he felt a person will donate more $$ then what he would charge. Period. I fully understand that the $$ from everything goes towards paying the rent at GamGam,the shul, and the office + probably housing for the Youngsters that work there on a vol basis Im sure.

 A couple who were there last June found  plenty of food on Shabbos. Those in July and Aug found little in the way of food especially just potato's for the chulent and would have preferred being able to pay a fixed amount and enjoy a reg meal, then to walk away hungry. Most of those from July & aug said if they go again they would simply eat their Shabbos  meals at the B&B in the Sq. These people are Shomer Shabbos people if they werent then maybe it wouldnt have bothered them, if they were still hungry they could have simply brought whatever they wanted afterwards elsewhere

 So Understand I have no problems had there been a charge for the meals as long as a reg meal would have been served.Im 100% sure if Rami saw he wasnt bringing in the kind of Donations he needed to ($$$) he probably would change the way he does things

 Do I think Rami is making millions off tis, NOT at ALL, and if he was I think he would simply plough most of it into the operation in VCE and expand to reach out to the non-religious in other ways
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moe on June 04, 2010, 01:40:13 PM
Also for SPG be sure not to stay at the Danieli for Shabbos, stick with the Cat. 5 Westin or Cat. 6 Gritti Palace.
which of these 2 are nicer?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on June 04, 2010, 04:22:50 PM
which of these 2 are nicer?
I only stayed at the Westin.
The Gritti Palace is the most famous hotel in Venice and is probably nicer.  In fact it used to be a SPG category 7 until a few months ago.

However the Westin is definitely closer to the Water Bus stop and is plenty nice.  I was given a nice Suite at the Westin.  Getting to the Gritti Palace with luggage will be a big pain if yo don't shell out the big bucks for a water taxi.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: steve2 on June 04, 2010, 04:25:56 PM
I only stayed at the Westin.
The Gritti Palace is the most famous hotel in Venice and is probably nicer.  In fact it used to be a SPG category 7 until a few months ago.

However the Westin is definitely closer to the Water Bus stop and is plenty nice.  I was given a nice Suite at the Westin.  Getting to the Gritti Palace with luggage will be a big pain if yo don't shell out the big bucks for a water taxi.

 with a Canal view? or the sq in front of the main door
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on June 04, 2010, 05:35:05 PM
with a Canal view? or the sq in front of the main door
Just the square, but that was fine, we were almost never in the room after all.  It was just nice to have a suite or it would've been very crowded with all the junk we accumulated over the trip.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moe on June 06, 2010, 01:37:47 PM
I only stayed at the Westin.
The Gritti Palace is the most famous hotel in Venice and is probably nicer.  In fact it used to be a SPG category 7 until a few months ago.

However the Westin is definitely closer to the Water Bus stop and is plenty nice.  I was given a nice Suite at the Westin.  Getting to the Gritti Palace with luggage will be a big pain if yo don't shell out the big bucks for a water taxi.
i will be there with a baby but not too much luggage. I have weekend awards, so price is the same. Do you think i should go for the Gritti? Anyone been to both? I can't decide...
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on June 06, 2010, 01:52:18 PM
the gritti is prob the nicest hotel in town
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on June 06, 2010, 02:18:41 PM
i will be there with a baby but not too much luggage. I have weekend awards, so price is the same. Do you think i should go for the Gritti? Anyone been to both? I can't decide...
How long are you staying for?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moe on June 06, 2010, 02:25:35 PM
How long are you staying for?
a thursday to sunday (3 nights)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on June 06, 2010, 02:27:20 PM
a thursday to sunday (3 nights)
So you are paying points for 1 of the nights?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moe on June 06, 2010, 02:30:22 PM
So you are paying points for 1 of the nights?
that is the case...but if one is much nicer than the other i dont mind blowing another few k points. Also, i'm plat, so of course suite availability/ upgrade sucess makes a big difference too!!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on June 06, 2010, 02:40:12 PM
that is the case...but if one is much nicer than the other i dont mind blowing another few k points. Also, i'm plat, so of course suite availability/ upgrade sucess makes a big difference too!!
Go to the Westin on Thursday, save the 8,000 points, plus get the 500 point plat amenity.
Go to Gritti on Friday, use the free weekends, and get the 500 point plat amenity again.
Then let us know which one you liked better!

The Westin is located halfway between the water bus stop and the Gritti.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moe on June 06, 2010, 02:45:24 PM
Go to the Westin on Thursday, save the 8,000 points, plus get the 500 point plat amenity.
Go to Gritti on Friday, use the free weekends, and get the 500 point plat amenity again.
Then let us know which one you liked better!

The Westin is located halfway between the water bus stop and the Gritti.
do you realy think it's worth schleping to different places just to save the points?!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on June 06, 2010, 02:46:52 PM
no. its always a schlep to switch hotels and a huge time waster. if you dont care to blow th extra points for menuchas hanefesh and to spend more time in venice
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moe on June 06, 2010, 02:48:49 PM
but the gritti is def a better place?!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on June 06, 2010, 02:49:27 PM
do you realy think it's worth schleping to different places just to save the points?!
I would to save 8,500 points (~$190), but hey, that's me.  
Plus I would like to compare them just to know which one is really better.
I know the Westin treats Platinums very well, no clue about the Gritti.

It's probably a 5 minute walk from the bus stop to the Westin, and another 5 minutes to the Gritti.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moe on June 06, 2010, 02:50:45 PM
I'm just scared that maybe the gritti is "fancier" and antique, but maybe old and dirty, as opposed to the westin which may be "newer" looking. if that was the case i would rather the westin.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on June 06, 2010, 02:55:02 PM
http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g187870-d230427-Reviews-Hotel_Gritti_Palace-Venice_Veneto.html
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moe on June 06, 2010, 02:56:57 PM
http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g187870-d230427-Reviews-Hotel_Gritti_Palace-Venice_Veneto.html
not as good as a fellow dd guy posting his experience, lol!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on June 06, 2010, 02:58:32 PM
Interesting that the Westin is ranked higher (107) on tripadvisor that the Gritti (139):
http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g187870-d202693-Reviews-The_Westin_Hotel_Europa_Regina_Venice-Venice_Veneto.html
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moe on June 06, 2010, 03:00:35 PM
i know, i was "midayek" that too, but i think they are taking "price" into consideration, which doesn't apply to us!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on June 06, 2010, 03:05:14 PM
i know, i was "midayek" that too, but i think they are taking "price" into consideration, which doesn't apply to us!
Obviously you'll just have to do both and make the official DDForums decision as to which hotel is preferred for SPG Plats.
 :D
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on June 06, 2010, 03:06:20 PM
you can make an informed decision on how well they treat plats by going to ft
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: steve2 on June 06, 2010, 03:35:45 PM
that is the case...but if one is much nicer than the other i dont mind blowing another few k points. Also, i'm plat, so of course suite availability/ upgrade sucess makes a big difference too!!

 since above U posted you are going in July, FYI July/Aug is full of Plats especially the weekends with the free weekends, OK at least it was last year.

Many of us at The Westin got the back rooms which OK in size but a view of the brick wall across the alleyway that belongs to the other building, poor a/c as the rooms in the back wings dont use the same unit as the other wings. And Plat after Plat checking in were told, sorry we are full so no upgrade what so ever. So take Note of the type of beds they promise you as you just might end up with that. and I forget which of the 3 in VCE had a single twin bed as the bed type using pts.

Im not saying its 100% sure you wont get the UP but just be preparred for actually ending up in the type of room that is described to you, too many Plats July/Aug and not everyone can be accomadated as per the Mgr at The Westin

 then theer are those people who actually pay for the suites and Canal view rooms which are but a hand full if that many.

 Think of The Diplomat in Florida who probably does the best job UPing Plats but sends out emails letting you know if you are booking during certain weeks in the winter the chance for an Up to a suite is Slim to None with None willing out yr after yr, and thats with close to 100 suites!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: joey on June 13, 2010, 01:43:09 AM
What do people think about the Danielli?
Can I walk from there to the chabad on shabbos?
I have 25k startpoints and was thinking about doing the 8k + $150 cash and points option.
I will be in rome from 8/17 to 8/20, then flying to venice for shabbos and will spend the week there before flying back to the US on the 25th.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on June 13, 2010, 02:45:40 AM
What do people think about the Danielli?
Can I walk from there to the chabad on shabbos?
I have 25k startpoints and was thinking about doing the 8k + $150 cash and points option.
I will be in rome from 8/17 to 8/20, then flying to venice for shabbos and will spend the week there before flying back to the US on the 25th.
The only entrance to the Danieli is via automatic door.
Stick with the Westin (Cat. 5, ~30 minute walk to Chabad, ~5 minute walk from alilaguna station with luggage) or Gritti Palace (Cat. 6, ~35 minute walk to Chabad, ~10 minute walk from alilaguna station with luggage) for shabbos stays.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: ChikkyMonkey on June 13, 2010, 05:24:39 AM
Interesting that the Westin is ranked higher (107) on tripadvisor that the Gritti (139):
http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g187870-d202693-Reviews-The_Westin_Hotel_Europa_Regina_Venice-Venice_Veneto.html

TripAdvisor rankings are a company secret... not sure exactly how they rank them... I wouldn't pay so much attention to their placement as I would to the actual reviews. (More than once I've seen horrible hotels higher than better hotels, also sometimes hotels with very few reviews are higher than others with many reviews, so who knows..)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: joey on June 14, 2010, 11:50:25 PM
Any good bed and breakfasts in or around venice that anyone knows about? Something old, with a medival castle like theme would be amazing. (kosher would be even better!).
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: silverfaxmachine on June 15, 2010, 09:55:20 AM
Maybe check out jewishvenice.com It helped me in 2003 when I was there but I only needed food. I stayed at Hotel Danieli, its a spg.
Title: Summer Italy Trip
Post by: AtallD on June 15, 2010, 03:17:01 PM
We (me and wife) are planning a summer trip to Italy for ten days. We plan on flying out from JFK on a Sunday to Rome. Rome until Tuesday Morning. Train to Florence. Florence until Friday morning. Train to Venice. Venice until Tuesday Morning. Fly back to JFK. Any tips or ideas? Specifically places to stay near the jewish areas (4-5 star hotels.) Unfortunately, we have no points or miles, so everything will be paid in $$$ (or euro.)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: BrooklynCPA on June 15, 2010, 03:39:36 PM
I did the same exact trip last May but in 7 days. Unless you are into art you are spending way too much time in Florence. You can PM me for my number and I'll be glad to help you.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: BrooklynCPA on June 15, 2010, 04:10:11 PM
When we were there last May we stayed at the Westin and were upgraded to a beautiful brand new junior suite overlooking the canal on the top floor and I'm only Gold. It was a great experience. It's is very close to the Water bus station and theres no need for a private water taxi. (Biggest rip off in Venice besides the Gondialls)

We checked out the other two hotels. I was not very impressed with the Gritti Palace. It is an actual old palace but the location is not nearly as good as the Westin and didn't seem to be very happening.

The Danielli is a very impressive and beautiful hotel but don't think its worthy of being a catagory 7. However, I did not experience the service as a guest. The Westin is a better value but if $$ and points is unlimited go for the Danielli. 
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on June 15, 2010, 04:11:20 PM
When we were there last May we stayed at the Westin and were upgraded to a beautiful brand new junior suite overlooking the canal on the top floor and I'm only Gold. It was a great experience. It's is very close to the Water bus station and theres no need for a private water taxi. (Biggest rip off in Venice besides the Gondialls)

We checked out the other two hotels. I was not very impressed with the Gritti Palace. It is an actual old palace but the location is not nearly as good as the Westin and didn't seem to be very happening.

The Danielli is a very impressive and beautiful hotel but don't think its worthy of being a catagory 7. However, I did not experience the service as a guest. The Westin is a better value but if $$ and points is unlimited go for the Danielli. 
All true, but beware that the Danielli only has automatic doors.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AtallD on June 15, 2010, 04:23:07 PM
Thank you. I actually was mistaken. We plan on being in Rome through Wed. morning and Florence for the rest of Wednesday and Thursday and leave to Venice early Friday morning. Does that make sense? We are not very 'artsy' although my wife appreciates a little art.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AtallD on June 15, 2010, 04:29:34 PM
Dan,

You refer to the automatic doors for shabbos purposes? We were thinking about staying in the Kosher Boutique Hotel Giardino
del Ghetto for shabbos. Its a little expensive @ 140 euro per night (inclusive of Kosher Israeli buffet breakfast and service) and 35 euro per person per meal. Have you heard anything about the hotel? I am not sure we are geared for the Gam Gam Shabbos scene... any other options?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on June 15, 2010, 04:33:33 PM
Dan,

You refer to the automatic doors for shabbos purposes? We were thinking about staying in the Kosher Boutique Hotel Giardino
del Ghetto for shabbos. Its a little expensive @ 140 euro per night (inclusive of Kosher Israeli buffet breakfast and service) and 35 euro per person per meal. Have you heard anything about the hotel? I am not sure we are geared for the Gam Gam Shabbos scene... any other options?
Yes, the Danieli would be problematic for shabbos.

There's no way I would spend 35 Euro per person when you have Gam Gam!  There's nothing to be prepared for, it's restaurant style seating with divrei torah and songs.  The food isn't gourmet but it's delicious and satisfying.

Personally I loved the walk from the Westin to the Ghetto, by far the nicest shabbos walk I've ever done ad there's an Eruv!
Go get a few Starpoints and use cash and points there.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: BrooklynCPA on June 15, 2010, 04:41:31 PM
That definitely makes more sense. We were there for One full day (2 nights) and it was more than enough. There is a limit to the amount of naked statues a person can look at!!!

Make sure to visit the museum in the shul. Is was actually used by the Nazis as a storage house and they tried to blow it up on their way out. It was saved and only slightly damaged. Also, it is worth a taxi or bus ride to "Piazzale Michelangelo" before sunset (Most people dont bother with this but it was our highlight of Florence). There are amazing views from here overlooking the city. Our best pictures from our trip are from there.

I've done a lot of research on all three places so you can PM me for more info.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: BrooklynCPA on June 15, 2010, 04:44:53 PM
I totally agree with Dan. Part of the venice experience is Gam Gam. You don't want to miss is and we also loved the walk from the Westin to The Ghetto. There is not that much to do in Venice besides walking and exploring. So why not do it on shabbos with an eruv!!!!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on June 15, 2010, 04:49:02 PM
Also don't miss Frulala or the new Gam Gam Treats Bakery/Pizza Shop with granita and gelato!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: andrew on June 15, 2010, 07:03:50 PM
just a tip, one may take a gondola ride from one side of the water to the other for like 5 euro so you dont need to spend 90 euro for 30 min ride just to take a picture on  the boat,
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: andrew on June 15, 2010, 07:29:11 PM
SUPPOSEDLY CHABAD GIVES A HECHSHER TO A ICES GELATI STORE IN VENICE ASK THEM
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on June 15, 2010, 07:55:34 PM
AtallD, i agree you should NOT go to gam gam if youre not up for the scene and can afford to pay by the other place (assuming its okay hashgacha wise) dan and brooklyncpa's advice is misleading as they were there in may. i was the there mid summer and i can tell you its a huge baalagan (mad house). they open up tables and chairs in middle of the avenue, and thats not even enough. they have shifts, and the entire meal is rushed if youre in the first shift (i knew to rush straight after davening to get in the first shift after i got a heads up from a friend who was there the week prior, when there were 6 shifts). the food was scarce and we left hungry. if you do decide to go be sure to stock up on food before shabbos - youre gonna need it. i have the greatest respect for what chabad does there,(and worldwide) but they simply cannot handle the mid summer volume. it was fine for me as a 1 year married couple, but from what i see from your statements, its definitely not for you. dans experience is simply not accurate for midsummer.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: steve2 on June 15, 2010, 08:03:57 PM
AtallD, i agree you should NOT go to gam gam if youre not up for the scene and can afford to pay by the other place (assuming its okay hashgacha wise) dan and brooklyncpa's advice is misleading as they were there in may. i was the there mid summer and i can tell you its a huge baalagan (mad house). they open up tables and chairs in middle of the avenue, and thats not even enough. they have shifts, and the entire meal is rushed if youre in the first shift (i knew to rush straight after davening to get in the first shift after i got a heads up from a friend who was there the week prior, when there were 6 shifts). the food was scarce and we left hungry. if you do decide to go be sure to stock up on food before shabbos - youre gonna need it. i have the greatest respect for what chabad does there,(and worldwide) but they simply cannot handle the mid summer volume. it was fine for me as a 1 year married couple, but from what i see from your statements, its definitely not for you. dans experience is simply not accurate for midsummer.

 this is what I was trying to  explain and why I asked Rami why he didnt charge for Shabbos meals and even keep it separate from the others who werent paying.

 I would w/o a doubt rather pay 35 euro for a meal and enjoy it then go thru what I did and what moish has described above
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on June 15, 2010, 08:07:29 PM
as far as florence, theres a nice shul (i personally liked the shul and museum in rome better) with a veg retaurant down the block that i didnt care for. a little further down is a kosher market where they can heat up rusticcheli meals which were delicious or pizza. obviously michaelangelo's david is a must see and be sure to secure your tickets beforehand. aside from that theres the world famous uffizi gallery. i didnt make it to the square bklycpa mentioned, but we were instead on the ponte vecchio for sunset which was quite beautiful. its the only original bridge in florence as the rest, the nazis blew up but supposedly couldnt bring themselves to blow this one up. we also downloaded the free rick steves audio guide for a walking tour through florence which ends up at the ponte vecchio. we stayed at the beautiful Helvetia & Bristol hotel that we got for 190 a night thru hotwire but it was before my spg days and thats probably a better option for you. if you have a few minutes to burn theres a science museum which is famous for housing galileo's telescope as well as his finger
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AtallD on June 15, 2010, 08:54:50 PM
Thanks for all the input! really helpful! any Rome advice? BTW Moish we are a 1 year married couple too.. just not the scrambling for chairs/food type...
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on June 15, 2010, 10:27:54 PM
AtallD, i agree you should NOT go to gam gam if youre not up for the scene and can afford to pay by the other place (assuming its okay hashgacha wise) dan and brooklyncpa's advice is misleading as they were there in may. i was the there mid summer and i can tell you its a huge baalagan (mad house). they open up tables and chairs in middle of the avenue, and thats not even enough. they have shifts, and the entire meal is rushed if youre in the first shift (i knew to rush straight after davening to get in the first shift after i got a heads up from a friend who was there the week prior, when there were 6 shifts). the food was scarce and we left hungry. if you do decide to go be sure to stock up on food before shabbos - youre gonna need it. i have the greatest respect for what chabad does there,(and worldwide) but they simply cannot handle the mid summer volume. it was fine for me as a 1 year married couple, but from what i see from your statements, its definitely not for you. dans experience is simply not accurate for midsummer.
I can only speak for how it was when I was there, but the food was plenty and there were lots of seats even with 100 guests in town.

I'm not sure what you mean by "opening up seats and tables in the avenue."  They always have seats and tables on the canal for the restaurant by the canal and it happens to be quite nice and romantic eating there.

this is what I was trying to  explain and why I asked Rami why he didnt charge for Shabbos meals and even keep it separate from the others who werent paying.

 I would w/o a doubt rather pay 35 euro for a meal and enjoy it then go thru what I did and what moish has described above
Because he's not in the food business.  He provides free shabbos meals with divrei torah and zemiros just like you would provide to guests at your own house and like thousands of chabad houses do around the world.  I know I don't have a paid section at my shabbos table...

And the word on the street was that the other restaurant's food was not very good and their hashgocha questionable...I didn't ask the Rabbi directly, but feel free to make your own investigation.

There's also a bakery under the local hashgocha but the Rabbi told me not to go there on Sunday as they bake those goods on Shabbos.  Besides that Gam Gam treats baked goods were among the best I've ever had.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on June 15, 2010, 10:30:06 PM
Any Rome advice?
Please ask for Rome advice in the master thread for Rome.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: steve2 on June 15, 2010, 10:57:02 PM
I can only speak for how it was when I was there, but the food was plenty and there were lots of seats even with 100 guests in town.

I'm not sure what you mean by "opening up seats and tables in the avenue."  They always have seats and tables on the canal for the restaurant by the canal and it happens to be quite nice and romantic eating there.


 thats simply cause you were there during a non-peak time, June/July/Aug its a mad house as both moish and I have posted and they keep opening up more and more tables.

sort of like going to the Kotel go early Fri night its packed go in the winter or late on Fri night its empty

Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: BrooklynCPA on June 15, 2010, 11:02:54 PM
If there are six shifts in the summer than I would agree with Moish. When we were there in May there were two shifts and it worked out fine. We sat inside on Friday night and outside by the water on shabbos morning.

We also downloaded Rick Steve's walking tours (thanks to Moish) for Venice and Florence and found it helpful.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on June 15, 2010, 11:13:31 PM
the company was great at gam gam though, we met a lot of great people
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: steve2 on June 15, 2010, 11:13:51 PM
Just one shift when we were there in late May...
We ate outside friday night on the canal and inside the restaurant at a table for two on shabbos day.
There was plenty of wine for everyone to make kiddush if they so desired, excellent homemade challah, 7 kinds of dips, salmon, soup, meatballs, chicken, cake, and of course booze.

Shabbos day had the same menu, but had different salmon, and a parve cholent (there's a good reason why you couldn't find any meat Steve2) instead of meatballs.

 I wasnt looking for meat perse , only mentioned that I didnt see any and what I took was all of 2 potatoes (small ones at that) since there was so little so that everyone could have some

 again a couple that I know were there early last June and didnt run into what I did

and as you have said he wont turn anyone away so if they cooked for 200 and 400 show up well there goes the food, and Understandingly so. Thats why I asked him why he didnt simply charge and that way those who were willing to pay would have gotten a reg Shabbos meal, and is why I wont go back to GG when in VCE next but to the other restaurant

If my choice is paying alot but being able to eat a reg Shabbos meal or walking away hungry,B"H I can afford to pay
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moe on June 16, 2010, 01:53:49 PM
When we were there last May we stayed at the Westin and were upgraded to a beautiful brand new junior suite overlooking the canal on the top floor and I'm only Gold. It was a great experience. It's is very close to the Water bus station and theres no need for a private water taxi. (Biggest rip off in Venice besides the Gondialls)

We checked out the other two hotels. I was not very impressed with the Gritti Palace. It is an actual old palace but the location is not nearly as good as the Westin and didn't seem to be very happening.

The Danielli is a very impressive and beautiful hotel but don't think its worthy of being a catagory 7. However, I did not experience the service as a guest. The Westin is a better value but if $$ and points is unlimited go for the Danielli. 
so if i am using weekend awards which can give me either hotel for the same price, and assuming that danielli is not an option for shabbos as dan pointed out, do you think Westin is nicer than the Gritti place?! I still am having a hard time deciding....I like nice hotels, but dont like OLD looking places...
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: steve2 on June 16, 2010, 03:34:14 PM
so if i am using weekend awards which can give me either hotel for the same price, and assuming that danielli is not an option for shabbos as dan pointed out, do you think Westin is nicer than the Gritti place?! I still am having a hard time deciding....I like nice hotels, but dont like OLD looking places...

 In that case stay away from Florence,Rome and Venice

 where you will find the likes of a King David Hotel rather then The Davids Citadel which it seems you are looking for, which allpies to almost every Decent Hotel in those cities.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: joey on June 16, 2010, 10:37:17 PM
I am booked for a monday arrival in rome and a friday flight to venice (courtesy of gifted miles) and would like to know if spending fri - wednesday in venice is too much. it will only be three full days, sun, mon, and tues bc of shabbos and the fact that i am flying back to the US on wednesday. Is enough to see?
also, I just booked the westin for cash and points for those five days. 4800 points + $90 a night.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: joey on June 16, 2010, 10:38:40 PM
one more thing, what is the "other" restaurant called and how do i get in touch with them? also, do i need reservations at Chabad?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on June 16, 2010, 11:09:39 PM
3 days I think is too much time in Venice. We got their Friday afternoon and had had enough by early monday. Used the extra time to go to lake comp, one of the most beautiful places on earth. If you have time I would really reccomend making it their (to the resort town called bellagio, just to walk around for a little bit and jump in the lake)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: ChAiM'l on June 17, 2010, 12:58:14 AM
3 days I think is too much time in Venice. We got their Friday afternoon and had had enough by early monday. Used the extra time to go to lake comp, one of the most beautiful places on earth. If you have time I would really reccomend making it their (to the resort town called bellagio, just to walk around for a little bit and jump in the lake)

There - "There was a car", "Could you go over there?"
Their - "Their car was driving", "I want their seat" 
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on June 17, 2010, 02:15:02 AM
you could definitely fill the time if you go to the islands of murano and burano as well (considering friday and wed arent full days)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: steve2 on June 17, 2010, 11:12:38 AM
one more thing, what is the "other" restaurant called and how do i get in touch with them? also, do i need reservations at Chabad?

http://www.jewisheurope.org/detail.asp?ID=547

 no reses needed for Chabad but if you are Religious and its gonna be packed be prepared to hang somewhere for a couple of hours till the 2nd shift is done

 
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: steve2 on June 17, 2010, 11:14:51 AM
you could definitely fill the time if you go to the islands of murano and burano as well (considering friday and wed arent full days)

 not in Aug they can go but its all closed up
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: steve2 on June 17, 2010, 11:16:48 AM
3 days I think is too much time in Venice. We got their Friday afternoon and had had enough by early monday. Used the extra time to go to lake comp, one of the most beautiful places on earth. If you have time I would really reccomend making it their (to the resort town called bellagio, just to walk around for a little bit and jump in the lake)

 Id say it would depend on what a person enjoys doing, we were in VCE Fri afternoon to late Sun afternoon and I could have spent another FEW days doing the exact samething just walking around
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on June 17, 2010, 01:41:32 PM
We were in VCE from friday through early monday morning and went to Murano and had plenty of time.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on June 17, 2010, 02:44:17 PM
not in Aug they can go but its all closed up
i was there in middle of the summer and there were at least 5 places doing glass demo's in murano and the glass museum was open. for burano its mostly the scenery, i.e. colored buildings
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: steve2 on June 17, 2010, 03:34:16 PM
i was there in middle of the summer and there were at least 5 places doing glass demo's in murano and the glass museum was open. for burano its mostly the scenery, i.e. colored buildings

 when is "the middle of the summer"? when we were there last Aug I was told that during Aug its all closed up so we didnt head over, were you there in Aug? if not then it makes sense why they were still open, unless those who told me its Closed simply gave me a bumb rap
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on June 17, 2010, 04:54:44 PM
august 2008. now that you mention it, i remember hearing the same thing but the guys pushing the free taxi ride at st marks told me it was open
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: steve2 on June 17, 2010, 06:37:24 PM
august 2008. now that you mention it, i remember hearing the same thing but the guys pushing the free taxi ride at st marks told me it was open

Thanks I will mention that point to some friends heading over, that they should look for those guys @ SM Sq to make sure its open
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: joey on June 26, 2010, 09:51:46 PM
Any recommendations for a good tour guide for the jewish area? What about in general for the non jewish area? What are some good activities my wife and I can do?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: ChikkyMonkey on June 27, 2010, 12:28:03 AM
No need for tour guide... There is a tour from the Ghetto Museum which includes history and info about the ghetto and shuls.

As far as activities, I don't think anything is necessary... just walk around, take a gondola ride (not cheap), go to Murano if you care for tourist shops where they have "glass blowing shows"...

Venice doesn't really require any planning.

Main sites are Ghetto, Rialto Bridge (For no real reason) and S. Marco square.. the rest, you just get lost and enjoy the sites..
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on June 27, 2010, 12:33:49 AM
No need for tour guide... There is a tour from the Ghetto Museum which includes history and info about the ghetto and shuls.

As far as activities, I don't think anything is necessary... just walk around, take a gondola ride (not cheap), go to Murano if you care for tourist shops where they have "glass blowing shows"...

Venice doesn't really require any planning.

Main sites are Ghetto, Rialto Bridge (For no real reason) and S. Marco square.. the rest, you just get lost and enjoy the sites..
Or if you're cheap like me take a $1 traghetto instead of a $100 gondola ride.
Same gondola and photo-op potential, just a much shorter ride.  And of course less romantic, but hey, it's $99 cheaper.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: joey on June 27, 2010, 12:35:15 AM
What is a gondola and what is a traghetto? dont you have to get around the city on boats anyway?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yordai Dooma on June 27, 2010, 01:33:41 AM
What is a gondola and what is a traghetto? dont you have to get around the city on boats anyway?

 Gondola (http://tinyurl.com/2a8jmsj)

 Traghetto (http://tinyurl.com/2463htf)

aussiebochur would like this one.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on June 27, 2010, 01:34:47 AM
Venice has one direction (let's just pretend) north to south canals as street, and from east to west streets, which at every crossing become a little bridge that goes over the canal.

I believe that if you are already in Venice with your wife, you can spend $99 more and go a bit before shkiya on a gondola (those nicely decorated ones), where the 'captain' also sings chazonus, while the sun goes under.
I didn't do it, but its supposed to be priceless.   
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on June 27, 2010, 01:38:02 AM
There is also the bridge of sighs, and a couple of islands you might want to visit.

By the way, when @ San Marco, while getting pooped on by the pigeons, just reflect for a minute that you are standing on a spot where the most sforim were burned in the world.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: joey on June 27, 2010, 10:11:33 PM
I am flying into venice on friday morning and will be going to gam gam on shabbos. I am flying back to new york from venice on wednesday at noon. I was planning on going somewhere for monday and tuesday and then returning to venice for the flight out. I can either do day trips or a full two days away. Any thoughts or recommendations? Also, is there a place I can leave my luggage in venice and conveniently get it on the way to the airport on wednesday morning?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: steve2 on June 27, 2010, 10:30:47 PM
I am flying into venice on friday morning and will be going to gam gam on shabbos. I am flying back to new york from venice on wednesday at noon. I was planning on going somewhere for monday and tuesday and then returning to venice for the flight out. I can either do day trips or a full two days away. Any thoughts or recommendations? Also, is there a place I can leave my luggage in venice and conveniently get it on the way to the airport on wednesday morning?


 1- take a train to Milano and then to Lake Como

 2- take a different train to Florence

 3- the train to Florence goes to Rome

 4- rent a car and drive to Split and/or Dovronick (wrong spelling) outside Italy

 Id go with either Lake Como (no free Hotels using pts) or Rome The Westin is now a Cat5 and a 15-20 min walk from the train station tkts last year were 65Euro each way per person or close to $100 at times there are Low Cost Carriers for  afew euro and then take the train into Rome, I think it took 3 hrs to go Venice-Rome. The train should run alittle over $80 with the weaker Euro each way per person this yr
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: ChikkyMonkey on June 27, 2010, 11:50:36 PM
I vote for Florence or Rome... Lake Como is nice, but there are plenty of them where you live..

Florence and Rome are great. I personally didn't care for Rome, but enjoyed Florence. The shul there is very interesting as well. Ponte Vecchio is the famous bridge, look it up...
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moe on June 28, 2010, 08:38:50 AM
1- take a train to Milano and then to Lake Como

 2- take a different train to Florence

 3- the train to Florence goes to Rome

 4- rent a car and drive to Split and/or Dovronick (wrong spelling) outside Italy

 Id go with either Lake Como (no free Hotels using pts) or Rome The Westin is now a Cat5 and a 15-20 min walk from the train station tkts last year were 65Euro each way per person or close to $100 at times there are Low Cost Carriers for  afew euro and then take the train into Rome, I think it took 3 hrs to go Venice-Rome. The train should run alittle over $80 with the weaker Euro each way per person this yr
if you do go to milan, I can get you a good deal on the park hyatt there!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moe on June 28, 2010, 08:39:15 AM
Although, there's not much to do there, they say.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: steve2 on June 28, 2010, 10:01:37 AM
if you do go to milan, I can get you a good deal on the park hyatt there!

 I wasnt suggesting to go to Milan , unless thats where they want to sleep over. But from a frind doing it in reverse that to go between venice & Lake Como you need to go via Milan, just like the trains to Rome go via Florence but Florence is a nice place to actually go to
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on July 07, 2010, 02:57:38 AM
Here are my Venice trip notes:
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/7877
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: sl on July 11, 2010, 11:26:06 PM
Does anyone know if the Hilton Molino Stucky is walkable from Chabad?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on July 11, 2010, 11:29:51 PM
Does anyone know if the Hilton Molino Stucky is walkable from Chabad?
The Hilton is on its own island and is not walkable to anything except via boat.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on September 21, 2010, 03:31:28 PM
Here is a great comparison of the 3 SPG properties on Venice:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/14423554-post123.html

Remember that the Danieli is not suitable for Shabbos stays.  And to miss shabbos on Venice would be borderline criminal IMHO.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on September 21, 2010, 09:03:30 PM
Here is a great comparison of the 3 SPG properties on Venice:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/14423554-post123.html

Is there any chance of getting C&P at any of those three? Specifically the Westin or the Gritti?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on September 21, 2010, 09:13:36 PM
Is there any chance of getting C&P at any of those three? Specifically the Westin or the Gritti?
Sure, I stayed with C&P (4,800+$90) at the Westin.  Upgraded to a suite as well.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on September 22, 2010, 12:36:26 AM
Sure, I stayed with C&P (4,800+$90) at the Westin.  Upgraded to a suite as well.

I tried to search for C&P, didn't find any availability. Do I need to call or am I not searching correctly?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on September 22, 2010, 09:15:14 AM
I tried to search for C&P, didn't find any availability. Do I need to call or am I not searching correctly?
I'm seeing plenty of C&P availability at the Westin on spg.com in 2010 (nothing for 2011 loaded yet) and plenty of C&P availability at the Gritti on spg.com in 2011 (bizarrely, nothing for 2010)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: steve L on November 18, 2010, 03:53:18 PM
i was wondering if some people can give me some advice on my upcoming trip to italy next summer. I am going with my wife and baby. I am landing mon morning in rome and thought to stay till thurs night and then take  the train to venice for shabbos.

My flight home is the next wednesday so I was thinking of maybe going for an overnight trip to florence is this a good idea?

Also in regards to spg hotels in these places any body have recommendations for rome and florence

I am a spg gold member (not much) and my main concern is a bigger room bec of the baby. So in regards to venice the westin basic room says its 181ft which is tiny and i dont think its wise to rely on a upgrade in the busy season of august.So does it make sense to book the griiti which according to spg the basic room is double the size of 350 sq ft or for 2.5k more a 500 sq ft room.

Also, since i will be in venice for  6 days should i take advantage of cash and pts(available) or  5th free with just points.
thank you so so much for your advice
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: kivabb on December 22, 2010, 09:44:44 PM
Everyone says the Gandola is a must before sunset at least once eventhough expensive.

Once I'm doing it, any suggestions from where and to where or all the same rip off and destination?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on December 22, 2010, 09:49:16 PM
Everyone says the Gandola is a must before sunset at least once eventhough expensive.

Once I'm doing it, any suggestions from where and to where or all the same rip off and destination?
Meh.
I vote for the gondola across the canal (forgot what it's called, look at my trip notes) for ~50 cents instead of $100+
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on December 23, 2010, 12:14:46 AM
Meh.
I vote for the gondola across the canal (forgot what it's called, look at my trip notes) for ~50 cents instead of $100+

I was in Venice for almost a year and I never took a Gondola, not even a 1 Euro one.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 23, 2010, 02:18:43 AM
Everyone says the Gandola is a must before sunset at least once eventhough expensive.

Once I'm doing it, any suggestions from where and to where or all the same rip off and destination?
anywhere along the grand canal. its definitely overpriced, but a must imo (youre married i assume)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on December 23, 2010, 09:01:20 AM
dont go by the station area, but rather from san marco inwards, by the bridge of sighs etc.

get one that does chazanus.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: kivabb on December 23, 2010, 09:22:56 AM
anywhere along the grand canal. its definitely overpriced, but a must imo (youre married i assume)

Yes I'm married. And since Dan and his site practically helped me get free business tickets and just about free hotels, the least I can do is splurge and stick my wife on a Gandola (and have plenty of Gelato).

Just some general overseas question as this will be our first country visiting outside of E"Y. Can I survive on credit cards (probably not on Gandola)? Do I need to exchange money? Do I do in JFK? Do I do in Venice? What do I do with the leftovers? Can I exchane back? Are tipping standards the same as in US? Thanks...
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 23, 2010, 09:40:36 AM
not sure about the gelato part
when i was there 2.5 years ago, cc's were widely accepted, but ive read that recently the machines only read the european ones that have a chip.
so yes you have to exchange money. do you seriously expect somebody here to tell you how much?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: kivabb on December 23, 2010, 10:08:30 AM
so yes you have to exchange money.

Where? Is it easy to exchange more if I need (like in hotel)?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 23, 2010, 10:20:01 AM
as a general rule, the hotel will give you a pretty bad rate. i would change at your local bank
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: momo on December 23, 2010, 11:29:10 AM
i was there in the summer last year and had no problems getting money fron an atm. it is pos that it has changed as far as cc a lot of the places do not accept amex so make sure you have a mastercard or visa with
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: steve L on December 23, 2010, 12:10:24 PM
to kivabb when you going and where you staying?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on December 23, 2010, 12:26:58 PM
You need money and lots of it.  I'd recommended taking out from an ATM as needed.
The Chabad restaurants only take cash.
Many credit card machines (like buying tickets for the ferries) require chip and pin, so you'll need cash there as well.
When I bought transfer tickets for the boat to San Marco I paid with a credit card and it posted as a cash advance.  Although I was able to get it changes, it was a big pain.

And if you want any goods from the various stands you need cash.
There are also tons of fake purses, pretty good quality.  They ask for 200 Euro but they can be negotiated down to 10 or possibly even 5 Euro if you are good.  Of course cash only.

And don't get too excited over the kosher gelato.  It's nothing that special, although the other stuff from the gam gam bakery is.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: kivabb on January 23, 2011, 09:24:50 PM
Will be in Venice for 2.5 days in May.
Can I get away with these (or others) for lunch and dinner?

Le - Balthazar
Teva
Kosher Bakery
Gam Gam

Can anyone help me with priority list based on experience?

Dan, can you do with these like you did on LA forum or you just say Gam Gam  :D .....?

Thanks
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on January 23, 2011, 09:34:23 PM
I've only been to Gam Gam (meat) Gam Gam Treats (Pizza/Bakery), and Frulala (Fruit Smoothies, owned by shomer shabbos Israelis, not under anyone's supervision).  I wrote more about them in my Venice trip notes on the main site.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: kivabb on January 23, 2011, 09:35:53 PM
I've only been to Gam Gam (meat) Gam Gam Treats (Pizza/Bakery), and Frulala (Fruit Smoothies, owned by shomer shabbos Israelis, not under anyone's supervision).  I wrote more about them in my Venice trip notes on the main site.

So did you bring food from US or did you wine and dine?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on January 23, 2011, 09:39:38 PM
So did you bring food from US or did you wine and dine?
I actually flew to Venice from TLV.  We didn't bring any food with us nor did we need to.
Gam Gam even double wrapped sandwiches for us that the airline warmed up which was nice.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on January 23, 2011, 10:02:34 PM
Will be in Venice for 2.5 days in May.
Can I get away with these (or others) for lunch and dinner?

Le - Balthazar
Teva
Kosher Bakery
Gam Gam

Can anyone help me with priority list based on experience?

Dan, can you do with these like you did on LA forum or you just say Gam Gam  :D .....?

Thanks

IDK how Kosher the 'Kosher' bakery is.

What is Le - Balthazar?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: BAHayman on January 23, 2011, 11:06:53 PM
IDK how Kosher the 'Kosher' bakery is.

What is Le - Balthazar?

Its a meat restaurant (its also got a hotel on top) - http://www.kosherclublebalthazar.com/Engl_index.html
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on January 23, 2011, 11:18:29 PM
Its a meat restaurant (its also got a hotel on top) - http://www.kosherclublebalthazar.com/Engl_index.html

Ah, I know the place, didn't know it was called that, sorry.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: kivabb on January 24, 2011, 09:45:12 AM
Its a meat restaurant (its also got a hotel on top) - http://www.kosherclublebalthazar.com/Engl_index.html

Did you eat there? Any comments?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on January 24, 2011, 12:18:35 PM
Did you eat there? Any comments?

Are you Chabad? Otherwise I'll abstain from commenting due to my political bias.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Avid Reader on January 25, 2011, 06:20:35 PM
Anyone have experience or opinions with the Kosher Boutique Hotel Giardino del Ghetto?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on January 25, 2011, 06:23:47 PM
Anyone have experience or opinions with the Kosher Boutique Hotel Giardino del Ghetto?

Have you tried calling the Chabad rabbi?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on January 25, 2011, 07:07:40 PM
Anyone have experience or opinions with the Kosher Boutique Hotel Giardino del Ghetto?
For food or hotel?
If I were to do Venice again I wouldn't change a thing.
Stay at the SPG cat. 5 Westin, have the shabbos walk of your life to the Ghetto (don't forget to bring a map with you in the only city in the world where lubabs officially carry on shabbos!), and enjoy a rocking meal at Chabad.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on January 25, 2011, 07:29:40 PM
Stay at the SPG cat. 5 Westin, have the shabbos walk of your life to the Ghetto (don't forget to bring a map with you in the only city in the world where lubabs officially carry on shabbos!), and enjoy a rocking meal at Chabad.

1. Better not bring a map and get lost, at least on the way back.
2. I didn't realize it was official, I think remember recently reading something about why one shouldn't carry even with a definite eruv (not about forgetting or possible broken eiruv, more about how m'leches hotza'ah is in the spirit of Shabbos/YT, which is why some people don't carry on YT either, although it was permitted l'tzorech).
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Avid Reader on January 25, 2011, 09:50:41 PM
Have you tried calling the Chabad rabbi?

From what I understand everyone bothers the Shluchim there and in Europe in general for their tours/ vacations and the Shluchim don't really appreciate it that much, so I'm hesitating calling him unless I have to.

For food or hotel?
If I were to do Venice again I wouldn't change a thing.
Stay at the SPG cat. 5 Westin, have the shabbos walk of your life to the Ghetto (don't forget to bring a map with you in the only city in the world where lubabs officially carry on shabbos!), and enjoy a rocking meal at Chabad.

Mainly the hotel. I'm  coming in on a Friday so don't have much time to check things out before Shabbos and don't want to get lost there. This hotel is supposed to be right in the ghetto a block from the Shull or something like that.

Also, you guys think I'll enjoy walking around Venice weather wise (Westin to the Ghetto, getting lost etc.) in middle of Feb? How cold does it get there?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on January 25, 2011, 09:52:04 PM
From what I understand everyone bothers the Shluchim there and in Europ in genral for their tours/ vacations and the Shluchim don't really appreciate it that much, so I'm hesitating calling him unless I have to.

I'd bet he prefer you call him than stay at the hotel you mentioned. Besides, he's in Venice he's there for the tourists.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Avid Reader on January 25, 2011, 10:00:36 PM
I'd bet he prefer you call him than stay at the hotel you mentioned. Besides, he's in Venice he's there for the tourists.

Really? What's with that hotel?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on January 25, 2011, 10:03:07 PM
1. Better not bring a map and get lost, at least on the way back.
2. I didn't realize it was official, I think remember recently reading something about why one shouldn't carry even with a definite eruv (not about forgetting or possible broken eiruv, more about how m'leches hotza'ah is in the spirit of Shabbos/YT, which is why some people don't carry on YT either, although it was permitted l'tzorech).
Agreed, definitely wander without the map on the way back.

We also arrived on a Friday to Venice.  We had no problem with the easy half hour stroll from the excellent Westin to the Ghetto with the help of a map and google walking directions.

The shliach there is great, very helpful to all tourists.  He told us the Eruv is due to the Canal system and is fine to use.  They use it at Gam Gam to bring food on shabbos to the people sitting at the tables on the canal.

Don't miss the bakery stuff at the pizza shop and send the shluchim regards from the DansDeals guy :)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on January 25, 2011, 10:14:12 PM
Really? What's with that hotel?

Politics, I don't know if I should be posting in on an online forum, it's probably considered rechilus.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Avid Reader on January 25, 2011, 10:26:14 PM
Agreed, definitely wander without the map on the way back.

We also arrived on a Friday to Venice.  We had no problem with the easy half hour stroll from the excellent Westin to the Ghetto with the help of a map and google walking directions.

The shliach there is great, very helpful to all tourists.  He told us the Eruv is due to the Canal system and is fine to use.  They use it at Gam Gam to bring food on shabbos to the people sitting at the tables on the canal.

Don't miss the bakery stuff at the pizza shop and send the shluchim regards from the DansDeals guy :)

Just read your amazing trip report! I'm getting excited!

Will definitely send regards.

Now I gotta get some guide books.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on January 25, 2011, 11:24:47 PM
Just read your amazing trip report! I'm getting excited!

Will definitely send regards.

Now I gotta get some guide books.

I might have a good Venice map if you'd like to borrow it. It's six years old, but I don't think much has changed in Venice in 6 years, besides for the Ponte Della Costituzione (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponte_della_Costituzione).
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on January 26, 2011, 08:31:50 AM
Most guidebooks have maps of Venice although some are better than others.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on January 26, 2011, 12:47:19 PM
Most guidebooks have maps of Venice although some are better than others.

I have a big National Geographic laminated folding one. A gift from my sister (along with some other Italy books I can't seem to find) before I went there for a year.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: elikay on February 04, 2011, 12:26:02 AM
The shliach there is great, very helpful to all tourists.  He told us the Eruv is due to the Canal system and is fine to use.  They use it at Gam Gam to bring food on shabbos to the people sitting at the tables on the canal.
Sounds like it has to do with the Rambam's shita that the lechis cannot be too far spread out (which most eiruvs are not makpid on), but in the case of the canal it is considered as if there is a full wall surrounding you (it could get tricky with the bridges, though).
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on February 04, 2011, 12:35:02 AM
Sounds like it has to do with the Rambam's shita that the lechis cannot be too far spread out (which most eiruvs are not makpid on), but in the case of the canal it is considered as if there is a full wall surrounding you (it could get tricky with the bridges, though).

It gets tricky with bridges, I'm quite sure the eiruv doesn't cover all of Venice.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on February 04, 2011, 12:42:13 AM
http://www.ghetto.it/inc/eng_fotopopup.asp?foto=http://www.ghetto.it/imgs/eruv.jpg
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on February 04, 2011, 12:53:37 AM
http://www.ghetto.it/inc/eng_fotopopup.asp?foto=http://www.ghetto.it/imgs/eruv.jpg

mmm... Just seeing that map makes me miss Venice so much.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Avid Reader on February 15, 2011, 10:08:13 PM
Well, I’m finally back from Venice and back at my all time favorite addiction: DansDeals Forums.

It was a great trip that would not have happened without this site. Here is a trip report which I hope comes in handy for some people.

My flight to Milan was on American Airlines from the (new?) AA terminal 8 of JFK. The lines through security at 3:30 pm were packed and very long, I must have waited some 20-25 minutes IIRC. I then headed to the AA Admirals club right near my gate. There was absolutely no problem getting in with my AA ticket even though it was purchased on Iberia.com. The AA Lounge is really nice with lots of rooms, all types of comfy chairs in different positions and plenty of private space. There is of course Wi-Fi and lounge computers with printers available for use, an excellent bar and fruits, salads, pretzels and other snacks free for the taking. This lounge was much nicer then the one I used last month at LGA (I forget which terminal). In both cases it was well worth it to have lounge access thanks to my AMEX Platinum card. It really makes the trip a better experience.

I couldn’t have asked for a better flight to Milan. The night before the flight I checked in online and saw that about half of the plane’s seats were still empty. I selected a seat in one of the middle rows that were totally empty, and sure enough the plane left with most of those seats, including my row, still empty. I had plenty of space, and about two hours into the flight I stretched out across all three seats (as did anyone else who had extra space) and was able to catch some sleep. On the plane was also SuperFlyer’s brother and family, and we chatted a bit. He said he has no time for DD (although he apparently got in on the same Iberia deal), but I couldn’t help thinking what it would be like to have two SuperFlyer’s on DDF ;)... We arrived in Milan Malpensa – MXP about 7:30 am, a half hour ahead of schedule. All in all it was a very smooth flight. Customs and passport control in Milan was a breeze (if not a joke) compared to the US and Canada.  After spending some time in the airport changing a few dollars to Euros, finding an ATM to do the bulk of my Forex, and looking though the stores trying to find something I forgot to get in NY, I headed for the busses to the Milan Central train station. The bus ride from Malpensa airport to the train station was about 1 ½ hours long. The bus that I took is 7.5 EUR each way, and 12 EUR if you buy the return ticket as well. But don’t buy the return ticket since when you take the bus back to the airport, there are a few companies giving the rides and they do not honor their competitors tickets, which is what happened to me. I had to buy a new ticket for the way back.
Tottal cost for a one way flexible ticket was 54 EUR. I took the 11:40 am Trenitalia express train going to Venice. When going to Venice by train, make sure to book the ticket for and get off at the very last stop called ‘Venezia S. Lucia’. If you get off on the stop before called ‘Venezia Mestre’ you are still on the mainland of Venice, and that’s not where you want to be. The express train ride is about 2 ½ hours. It was very pleasant in first class, not to many people, comfortable seats with tables and power outlets.  The train attendants go through the first class at least twice during the trip giving out drinks and a small snack. As I was getting closer to Venice SuperFlyer gets on BB Messenger Chat and checks up on me. When I got into Venice SuperFlyer gave me live step by step directions to my hotel and then to Gam Gam. I then went to check out the Chabad house and their Shabbos schedule, walked around the old and new Jewish Ghettos, and then headed back to my hotel in S. Geremia Square.

My hotel was a three minute walk from the train station and a two minute walk to Gam Gam and the ghetto. This ‘hotel’ was a combination of single rooms and a dormitory or hostel. But my room was surprisingly decent, newly redone with a normal bathroom and shower. I would think it was pretty much the same as any 2 star hotel, just very small. In any case, at 40 euro a night, it was all I needed. I would have spent more for a single night at one of the Starwood hotels then I did for three nights at this place. The hotel personnel were very nice, and they let you keep your luggage in the hotel even after you check out. The internet situation was disappointing though, as there was something wrong with their Wi-Fi and I could not connect to it. I ended up taking my computer down to their internet café, pulling one of the LAN lines from another computer and putting it into mine, and saved myself the 1 euro per 15 minutes they normally charge. But even if that failed, I could have always gone to the Chabad house and use the Wi-Fi there.
Shabbos in Venice was amazing. We had with us Rabbi Banin the Chabad Shliach in Venice, Rabbi Shmukler from JETS in California, Rabbi Hadad from Milan, and a bunch of amazing Bochurim who are learning Smicha and helping out the Chabad house in Venice.  And last but not least I bumped into another DD fan and forum reader who also got in on the Iberia deal and was taking a tour of several countries in Europe with his family. We obviously had plenty to talk about over Shabbos…  Hopefully he’ll post his trip report soon.  After the Friday night meal we Farbrenged with Rabbis Banin and Shmukler. The food during the night and day meal was very good.

Gam Gam food as a restaurant is pretty good, and their prices are very reasonable, if not cheap for being the only kosher restaurant in town. Though as Dan mentions in his post, their portions are a bit on the smaller side. Having a Chabad house and Kosher restaurant right near you in middle of Venice is a real blessing. The new Milchig Gam Gam goodies had some very good baked pastries and pizza, and the Italian chef put together a nice medium sized cheese-less pizza with olives, mushroom and grilled peppers which was very delicious. Total cost was only 6 euro.

After Shabbos I walked with a few Yeshiva Bochurim to the 600+ year old Realto bridge, the first bridge to cross the Grand Canal. On the way we stopped at the Israeli fruit juice place Dan mentioned in his Venice trip report and got ourselves some very delicious fruit smoothies. These Bochurim are very Shlichus minded and seemed to be able to develop a conversation with anyone who was willing. At the Realto bridge we took pics, walked around, and then sat down right on the top and sang niggunim. After a few minutes we had a small crowd watching us which is when the Bochurim spring into conversation with them...

On Sunday I went to the Jewish museum in the ghetto and took a tour of 3 of 5 synagogues in the old and new ghettos. The tour, which also gives you access to the museum, is well worth it in my opinion, especially if you appreciate old history and want to see it right before your eyes. The only disappointing thing about this was that they don’t allow you to take pictures and I wasn’t going to defy them. History and museums are one of my big passions and truthfully, I felt as though the whole island of Venice is a museum. After spending a nice while in the museum and ghettos, I took a boat ride to the Accademia (which was closed at that point) and then walked around getting lost and trying to find my way to the Piazzo S. Marco (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piazza_San_Marco) (S. Marco Square). It‘s a very large and beautiful square with several museums nearby. (All closed at that point). After a bunch more walking and trying to find a bathroom (just go into any bar, buy a drink and ask for the bathroom), I took the 40 minute boat ride along the Grand Canal back to my hotel.

Monday I went along with another Bochur visiting from France to one of the 1 euro Gondola’s Dan mentions in his trip report going from one side of the Grand Canal to the other, and we each took pictures and videos of each other. I then took a boat to the Doge’s Palace (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doge%27s_Palace,_Venice) at S. Marco square. The palace served as the home of the doge as well as the senate, administrative offices, and prisons. The beauty, grandeur and splendor of this place cannot be described in writing; one must see it with their eyes.  I bought a 12 EUR ticket which also gives you access to the other 3 museums in the square. I also rented an electronic audio guide for 5 EUR, which is worth it if you want to understand what you are seeing. As I entered the palace, I saw signs here too saying no pictures, but at this point I decided they just had to be joking…  I took many pictures and was told twice by the security personnel “no foto” and each time I just put the camera back in my pocket until I was out of their sight. I liked the place so much that I bought their book on the palace for 14 EUR before leaving.

I was told by the bochurim that going up the watch tower in the square was nothing special so I saved myself the 8 euro .

I headed back to my hotel, ordered some meals for the way back from Gam Gam, and headed to the train station. I bought a first class ‘fixed’ ticket to Milan’s Central train station for 34 euro. The train got in about 11:20 pm, and I had to wait nearly an hour before the next buss to Malpensa airport arrived.
I stayed in a hotel 10 minutes from the airport called Idea hotel. They said they had just opened up two weeks ago and did not have internet yet. The place did indeed look brand spankin g new and very ‘high tech’. The next morning I took their shuttle to the airport, met up with my newfound Dansdeals friend I first met on Shabbos, and we flew back together on the same flight. Just like on the flight into Milan, I had three middle seats to myself, although this flight was fuller then the previous one.

All in all it was an awesome trip and if not for other obligations, I’d be planning my next trip already.

Thanks to all those who helped plan this trip and made it possible:  Dan, momo, AsherO, SuperFlyer, my sister, Chabad of Venice and anyone else I left out, you know who you are…
 


Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on February 15, 2011, 10:16:33 PM
Awesome trip report!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Avid Reader on February 15, 2011, 10:20:12 PM
Awesome trip report!!!!!!!!

Thanx!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: E on February 15, 2011, 10:34:04 PM
good stuff! how much does superflyers BB gps cost?  I am going with three friends I think it's much more worth it for me to take a car for 86 euro (sixt using sixt.it website - remember it's a stick shift) for the 4 days I'm there.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on February 15, 2011, 11:16:31 PM
Remember you have to pay for parking in Venice. it cost me 22.80 euro was but it was cheaper because I paid in advance at veniceconnected.com (as are most attractions -museum pass was 10 euro)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: E on February 15, 2011, 11:33:51 PM
Remember you have to pay for parking in Venice. it cost me 22.80 euro was but it was cheaper because I paid in advance at veniceconnected.com (as are most attractions -museum pass was 10 euro)
thanks that was the plan I found it through here http://www.asmvenezia.it/index_eng.html
getting a receipt at casino might make it cheaper I think we'll find out.

How did you get from the parking to venice and what did it cost.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Avid Reader on February 16, 2011, 01:46:19 AM
good stuff! how much does superflyers BB gps cost?  I am going with three friends I think it's much more worth it for me to take a car for 86 euro (sixt using sixt.it website - remember it's a stick shift) for the 4 days I'm there.


LOL...  gotta ask SF about that.

Just be careful, based on the guidebooks I read, driving in Italy, at least certain parts and especially in the big cities, can be difficult. The drivers there are a bit crazy. The is some half joke saying that red lights are just a suggestion... My taxi driver was certainly one of these guys, he ran through all the stop signs, albeit at night, and at one sharp turn he did a bit too fast he hit the side of his car against the wall of a house... Don't mean to scare you, I'm just saying. But it sounds like financially it makes sense. R u traveling on Erev Shabbos??
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on February 16, 2011, 02:09:49 AM
Remember you have to pay for parking in Venice. it cost me 22.80 euro was but it was cheaper because I paid in advance at veniceconnected.com (as are most attractions -museum pass was 10 euro)

If you're going to fly to VCE then you really don't need a car. If you're going to be in Venice for a weekend then you might be best off returning the car to the car rental agency. You're also best off parking in Mestre and taking the train to Venice for a Euro or two.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: E on February 16, 2011, 11:13:03 AM
If you're going to fly to VCE then you really don't need a car. If you're going to be in Venice for a weekend then you might be best off returning the car to the car rental agency. You're also best off parking in Mestre and taking the train to Venice for a Euro or two.
It's a bigger pain for me to return the car and re-renting on sun the cost of the car is not enough to make that worth it. is parking in mestre closer to venice than parking in the Piazzale Roma parking . from what I understand Piazzale Roma is closer although more expensive parking we will save the time b/c getting to venice takes less time plus transport from Piazzale Roma to venice is cheaper than mestre. On top of that If I could pull off the 10 euro parking with getting the parking stub stamped at the casino, the parking will come out the same price .
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: kivabb on February 16, 2011, 04:56:44 PM
How do you reserve for tour of Shuls in Ghetto?
 
If staying at the Cat 5 Westin, best bet is 20 minute walk for Shachris?

Thanks
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Avid Reader on February 16, 2011, 05:00:12 PM
How do you resereve for tour of Shuls in Ghetto?
 
If staying at the Cat 5 Westin, best bet is 20 minute walk for Shachris?

Thanks


I just walked into the museum and reserved for the next tour. They do it every hour. Apparently as long as you have your museum receipt you can come back the next day and use it again. Out of the 5 Shuls, they give you a tour of three. There is one that is being used so it's not part of the tour and another that I imagine is not in display condition. I would definitely try to find out when they Daven in the still-in-use Shul so you get to see that one too. They say you need your passport to enter the Shul in use.

Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on February 16, 2011, 05:05:43 PM
Ive heard my name.

anyone needs help?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: E on February 16, 2011, 05:14:59 PM
Ive heard my name.

anyone needs help?
everyone wants to know how much SF BB live GPS costs.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on February 16, 2011, 05:21:06 PM
How do you reserve for tour of Shuls in Ghetto?
 
If staying at the Cat 5 Westin, best bet is 20 minute walk for Shachris?

Thanks


20 minutes is kinda short IMO, especially the first few times until you get the hang of it.  There's a Vaporetto (water bus, #41/42 and #51/52) that you can take from S. Marco square to right by the Ghetto entrance (stop is called Guglie). But it's pricey, something like 6.5 Euros each way).
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on February 16, 2011, 05:23:03 PM
Awesome trip report!!!!!!!!


very nice and complete report.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Avid Reader on February 16, 2011, 05:23:53 PM
How do you reserve for tour of Shuls in Ghetto?
 
If staying at the Cat 5 Westin, best bet is 20 minute walk for Shachris?

Thanks


This seems to be the museum website http://www.museoebraico.it/ though it seems down. I can check if I still have their phone number.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on February 16, 2011, 05:26:48 PM
This seems to be the museum website http://www.museoebraico.it/ though it seems down. I can check if I still have their phone number.

I really don't see why he needs to reserve, the tours are pretty reliably on schedule. I think it's weekdays 9:30am - 4:30pm (besides Friday) every hour on the half.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on February 16, 2011, 05:42:22 PM
everyone wants to know how much SF BB live GPS costs.

as its a relative new service, i only charged $0.99 per minute.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on February 16, 2011, 05:49:23 PM
How do you reserve for tour of Shuls in Ghetto?
i believe you just show up
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: kivabb on February 16, 2011, 09:24:43 PM
I would definitely try to find out when they Daven in the still-in-use Shul so you get to see that one too. They say you need your passport to enter the Shul in use.

Do I need my passport for regular tour as well? Also had a hard time finding davening times (Chabed included). Anyone know what times the still-in-use Shul davens and/or Chabad?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Avid Reader on February 16, 2011, 09:50:47 PM
Not for the regular tour.

Phone number to the Jewish museum in Venice, info and booking: 39 041 715 359

Jewish Community of Venice phone 39 041 715 012

For Chabad of Venice phone, email and all other info check JewishVenice.com
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on February 19, 2011, 06:09:06 PM
Usually they have the timetable of the week hanging on the window
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Avid Reader on February 20, 2011, 07:42:33 AM
If anyone wants a free one way buss ticket from Malpensa Airport to Milan central train station, send me a PM.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Avid Reader on February 20, 2011, 05:00:04 PM
If anyone wants a free one way buss ticket from Malpensa Airport to Milan central train station, send me a PM.

Gone.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Mocha on March 08, 2011, 08:56:16 AM
bottom line is there anywhere to eat on shabbos besides GamGam? Just looking for something more private....anyone know?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on March 08, 2011, 09:18:07 AM
bottom line is there anywhere to eat on shabbos besides GamGam? Just looking for something more private....anyone know?
There's a hotel also I believe.
We had our own table for 2 at Gam Gam for one meal and ate the other meal at a communal table.  Both meals were beautiful.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on March 08, 2011, 01:24:35 PM
bottom line is there anywhere to eat on shabbos besides GamGam? Just looking for something more private....anyone know?

The whole beauty of it is eating on the canal (in the summer at least) with a diverse group of Jews.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on March 08, 2011, 01:30:04 PM
The whole beauty of it is eating on the canal (in the summer at least) with a diverse group of Jews.
Yup, eating a shabbos meal (breaking into dancing and singing...) right on the canal together with such a varied group was a treat.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on March 08, 2011, 02:15:33 PM
I agree the company was really nice. However during high season in august they really have too many people and not enough food
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on March 08, 2011, 02:34:44 PM
I agree the company was really nice. However during high season in august they really have too many people and not enough food
Can't speak for that.  In mid-May we didn't have that issue and the weather was just perfect.
Title: Re: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: BAHayman on March 08, 2011, 02:46:16 PM
bottom line is there anywhere to eat on shabbos besides GamGam? Just looking for something more private....anyone know?

GamGam also offers "Shabbat in the Gallery" which is the same food but at a private table in an art gallery down the block. Although they do charge 35 euro for dinner and 30 euro for lunch per person... it's also not open every week.

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Title: Re: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: BAHayman on March 08, 2011, 02:47:48 PM
There's a hotel also I believe.
We had our own table for 2 at Gam Gam for one meal and ate the other meal at a communal table.  Both meals were beautiful.

The hotel/resturant is actually closed as of a few weeks ago.

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Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on March 08, 2011, 02:50:50 PM
Thanks for the updates bahayman!

And if anyone goes to Venice, send me some of those delicious pastries from Gam Gam Treats!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on March 08, 2011, 03:29:23 PM
The hotel/resturant is actually closed as of a few weeks ago.

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Can you please send a trip report from your PC36100 using Tapatalk :P
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: BAHayman on March 08, 2011, 04:32:59 PM
Thanks for the updates bahayman!

And if anyone goes to Venice, send me some of those delicious pastries from Gam Gam Treats!

Gam Gam Goodies? Just got back a few hours ago, sorry.

Can you please send a trip report from your PC36100 using Tapatalk :P

I'm just too lazy to remove the signature from Tapatalk :-p but I will try to type up a trip report when I get a chance, gotta catch up on work first :-/
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on March 08, 2011, 05:14:56 PM
I'm just too lazy to remove the signature from Tapatalk :-p but I will try to type up a trip report when I get a chance, gotta catch up on work first :-/

The signature was a joke, the trip report request was serious, but it really isn't urgent for me.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Mocha on March 09, 2011, 10:46:56 AM
Thanks everyone for the replies. And Dan I know it was beautiful, I was there several years ago, however my wife is not so into sitting at a table with strangers and then dancing. Although i did enjoy it then when I was single I must agree with her at this point that I would rather have a separate table. Anyone know how I can arrange that separate table as was mentioned above? I emailed the Rabbi but got no response. Maybe I will just pay as was mentioned the 30 Euros at night, and by day it's individual seating anyways.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on March 09, 2011, 02:22:21 PM
Thanks everyone for the replies. And Dan I know it was beautiful, I was there several years ago, however my wife is not so into sitting at a table with strangers and then dancing. Although i did enjoy it then when I was single I must agree with her at this point that I would rather have a separate table. Anyone know how I can arrange that separate table as was mentioned above? I emailed the Rabbi but got no response. Maybe I will just pay as was mentioned the 30 Euros at night, and by day it's individual seating anyways.

You can try calling the Rabbi, his number is on JewishVenice.com

I trhink the seating arrangemenrts (by day) depend on how crowded it is (or isn't).
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: steve L on March 14, 2011, 12:07:37 PM
to mocha
so as you i love to travel and to plan and i just had a baby but am still going to italy bec need to go on vacations.So same as you try to see alot but not go crazy

couple of questions

1) is it worth it to fly to venice vs  the train especially with kid
2) which hotel are you staying in venice i am staying at gritti bec bigger rooms. i paid for junior suite . also, in room staying a t westin excelsior bec need lower points and got a juior suite also.

My feeling is my wife is not a travler so want to go over the top for her .(also flying first class)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on March 14, 2011, 12:14:42 PM
1) is it worth it to fly to venice vs  the train especially with kid
...
My feeling is my wife is not a travler so want to go over the top for her .(also flying first class)

If you're flying FC then you shouldn't be taking the train, it's quite a hassle IMHO. What's the difference in price?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: steve L on March 14, 2011, 12:16:54 PM
im flying first class to rome but then going to venice for shabbos
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Mocha on March 14, 2011, 12:17:54 PM
to mocha
so as you i love to travel and to plan and i just had a baby but am still going to italy bec need to go on vacations.So same as you try to see alot but not go crazy

couple of questions

1) is it worth it to fly to venice vs  the train especially with kid
2) which hotel are you staying in venice i am staying at gritti bec bigger rooms. i paid for junior suite . also, in room staying at westin excelsior bec need lower points and got a juior suite also.

My feeling is my wife is not a travler so want to go over the top for her .(also flying first class)

As far as flying I would tell you to just take a train. The luggage requirements on the EasyJet flights are ludicrous. For example its £9 for a 40 kg...not bad. But if you add a measly 3kg the price jumps to £30. I would tell you to go for it if you were just two, but when traveling with a baby you have to schlep from Rome to FCO, pack extra for the baby thus pay a lot extra for luggage. Plus have chances are the baby will be crying through the flight......not worth it. The train ride is actually quite scenic.

Now the hotels in Venice are tough..Dan recommended the Westin which seems nice, but I didn't book early enough and the price sky-rocketed. So I ended up booking a room at the Hotel Palazzo Giovanelli Gran Canal. It got pretty fair reviews and it seems nice.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Mocha on March 14, 2011, 12:20:51 PM
I left out that the train station is right smack in the middle of Rome and easily accessible to everywhere vs FCO which is a drive and $$ to get to...same goes for in Venice, the train lets you off at a great location in Venice vs VCE which is either a 100 Euro water taxi or a bus. Your better off with the train. (IMHO)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on March 14, 2011, 12:23:20 PM
I left out that the train station is right in smack in the middle of Rome and easily accessible to everywhere vs FCO which is a drive and $$ to get to...same goes for in Venice, the train lets you off at a great location in Venice vs VCE which is either a 100 Euro water taxi or a bus. Your better off with the train.
Even from the venice train station you will need to take an expensive watertaxi or waterbus to the SPG hotels.
The waterbus from VCE goes directly to S Marco.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on March 14, 2011, 12:25:59 PM
Even from the venice train station you will need to take an expensive watertaxi or waterbus to the SPG hotels.
The waterbus from VCE goes directly to S Marco.

+1
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Mocha on March 14, 2011, 12:27:47 PM
Even from the venice train station you will need to take an expensive watertaxi or waterbus to the SPG hotels.
The waterbus from VCE goes directly to S Marco.
True, but for the same money he can take a water bus from the Train Station to St Marco as the station is on the Grand Canal. Again, I personally am flying, but I recall going there a few years ago and there was a couple there with a baby checking-in and the amount they were paying for overweight they could've chartered a jet. Plus security lines with the baby...I just see it as a tremendous hassle when the train is super fast, smooth and efficient. Albeit a few hours more, and by a few I mean one or two, cause you gotta take into account getting to the airport early>security>boarding>etc. etc..
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on March 14, 2011, 12:32:36 PM
On Easyjet if you have more than 88 pounds (40kg) of luggage it will probably be worthwhile to buy the baby a seat and then you'll be able to bring 132 pounds (60kg) for a reasonable price.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Mocha on March 14, 2011, 12:35:42 PM
On Easyket if you have more than 88 pounds (40kg) of luggage it will probably be worthwhile to buy the baby a seat and then you'll be able to bring 132 pounds (60kg) for a reasonable price.
Lol we agree to disagree then. I wouldn't fly from LGA to BWI with a baby I'd just take amtrak. Now from VCE to say like Paris I'd agree to fly cause the train is much longer.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on March 14, 2011, 12:40:18 PM
Lol we agree to disagree then. I wouldn't fly from LGA to BWI with a baby I'd just take amtrak. Now from VCE to say like Paris I'd agree to fly cause the train is much longer.
I'm not saying what to do, just saying that 88 pounds isn't the limit with Easyjet.

And BWI-LGA (http://local.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=bwi&daddr=lga&hl=en&geocode=FanVVQIdTSBu-ykL4MK7_OK3iTFAF5f6DBUAAA%3BFfwrbgIdI8yY-ym1TUKDiV_CiTGzZpYOZsQvdw&mra=ls&sll=41.12206,-73.13815&sspn=4.576204,13.392334&ie=UTF8&z=8) isn't really a fair comparison.
BOS-PHL (http://local.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=bos&daddr=phl&hl=en&geocode=Fbh2hgIdq1_E-ymVFalTIHDjiTFwFkPaULm1pg%3BFe9yYAIdkMiD-ykHlJRwnsTGiTEgxN9m6suqyQ&mra=ls&sll=43.68591,11.94668&sspn=4.393146,13.392334&ie=UTF8&z=7) is more like the distance of FCO-VCE. (http://local.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=rome&daddr=venice&hl=en&geocode=FSpGfwIdFHe-AClfFvCor2EvEzHVHDe_UYwMQA%3BFeBFtQIdYEa8ACkfb1JTCq9-RzGwX5EVhwkHBA&mra=ls&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=38.41771,107.138672&ie=UTF8&z=7)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Mocha on March 14, 2011, 12:48:33 PM
I'm not saying what to do, just saying that 88 pounds isn't the limit with Easyjet.

And BWI-LGA isn't a fair comparison.
BOS-PHL is more like the distance of FCO-VCE.
Ok fair enough. Getting a third seat would make sense if one is flying as it gives a little more leeway with luggage as well as ensures you the privacy as 3 seats=your own row.

Also Steve please note that I just checked the trains in Italy. It seems like a transfer is needed in Milan while going from Rome-Venice, if that is the case then I must agree with the flying option.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: steve L on March 14, 2011, 12:59:07 PM
i thought the train schedule doesnt come out this early. im pretty sure that they have a direct train. they must have that would be crazy
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Mocha on March 14, 2011, 01:04:58 PM
i thought the train schedule doesnt come out this early. im pretty sure that they have a direct train. they must have that would be crazy
I stand corrected. I was looking at a different site and not trenitalia.com total travel time seems to be 3:46 so do the math if it is or isn't worth it for you.. It's 74 Euros
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on March 14, 2011, 01:09:28 PM
I stand corrected. I was looking at a different site and not trenitalia.com total travel time seems to be 3:46 so do the math if it is or isn't worth it for you.. It's 74 Euros
3:46, that's pretty good.
What's the luggage allowance?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: steve L on March 14, 2011, 01:10:07 PM
yea i think it worth it bec its easily 2-3 hours for the flight start t o finish . and maybe closer to the summer they will run promotions like the mini program
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: steve L on March 14, 2011, 01:10:46 PM
do you get more luggage in first class train?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Mocha on March 14, 2011, 01:15:08 PM
Just got this from the website

http://www.trenitalia.com/cms/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=8557bf173bca6210VgnVCM1000003f16f90aRCRD

You can take with you for free all luggage items that do not exceed the space at your disposal and more bulky items as well, provided these do not annoy other travelers. Luggage must not contain hazardous or poisonous materials in accordance with the Regulations concerning the international carriage of dangerous goods by rail, usually known as the RID, as well as with national laws and regulations in force such as explosive and flammable substances or articles, substances liable to spontaneous combustion, toxic substances, infectious substances, radioactive materials and corrosive substances.
Remember that luggage is always in your safekeeping.
Indeed, Trenitalia can answer only for certain damages arising from railway accidents attributable to the company (for the purposes of liability, Trenitalia cannot answer for valuables contained in the luggage: cash, paper money, work of arts and antiques, valuables and similar). 
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on March 14, 2011, 01:17:18 PM
This looks awesome, especially for Venice: http://www.trenitalia.com/cms/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=b76e973d4fe1b210VgnVCM1000003f16f90aRCRD
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on March 14, 2011, 01:19:20 PM
This looks awesome, especially for Venice: http://www.trenitalia.com/cms/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=b76e973d4fe1b210VgnVCM1000003f16f90aRCRD

That page says:

Quote
Frecciarossa or Frecciargento or are a CartaFreccia

What the frecc are they talking about? :D
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on March 14, 2011, 01:30:21 PM
That page says:

What the frecc are they talking about? :D
When you search from Rome to Venice some trains are listed as "FRECCIARGENTO"

No idea what that means but I would assume that's what they mean by "If you travel Frecciarossa or Frecciargento"
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on March 14, 2011, 01:34:22 PM
When you search from Rome to Venice some trains are listed as "FRECCIARGENTO"

No idea what that means but I would assume that's what they mean by "If you travel Frecciarossa or Frecciargento"

I think it's a type of train (express). According to Google Translate, freccia means arrow.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: steve L on March 14, 2011, 02:11:58 PM
dan do you think its worth it to pay for to ship your luggage vs just taking it for the one way ride?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on March 14, 2011, 02:16:41 PM
dan do you think its worth it to pay for to ship your luggage vs just taking it for the one way ride?
Anywhere else in the world, probably not.
In Venice, absolutely.  Dragging suitcases over and across the canal bridges is a PITA!
Plus this way you'll be able to stretch out on the train more and not have to worry about keeping track of your suitcases the entire time.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on March 14, 2011, 03:10:24 PM
I've been several times to Venice, landed in both airports, and went by train w/o stop to Rome, and let me tell you that the train is a hell of a long ride, and unless they changed all the trains around, I would stay far away from that option.

To give a little push the right direction, look at the levels in the alitalia club.

Rosa means pink
Argenta means silver

So I guess its the class we are talking about.

Trains had the regular codes such as IC (intercity), IR (inter region), L (stopping everywhere),...
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on March 14, 2011, 03:11:58 PM
I don't have time to follow this thread, so if you need more help, you can pm me, and leave a phone number, and I will call you iy"h.

If you don't state from which time zone, I assume NYC.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: chuchem on March 14, 2011, 04:37:08 PM
I would prefer the train over flying. Easyjet is a huge hassle. The time it will take you to get to the airport, check in, security.... much easier to take the train. The trains in italy are ok, be there 15min before departure to grab a nice seat and put your cases on the train. Make sure you seat at the end of the car and can face your luggage by the door, so you only have to stand up when they make a stop so that no one makes a run for it. Train goes every hour and only has 4 stops on the way. You will see alot of the country, with 3:48 flying will not be much faster and forsure not as relaxed. By the way Florence is a stop after 1:50 hours, you might want to get out of the train and have a stroll there for a few hours and then continue
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on March 14, 2011, 04:55:08 PM
By the way Florence is a stop after 1:50 hours, you might want to get out of the train and have a stroll there for a few hours and then continue
Even more reason to pay the 15-20 Euro/bag to have them delivered door to door.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: ChikkyMonkey on April 03, 2011, 03:08:30 PM
Dan what are these gam gam treats you're raving about? I have "someone" visiting me from Venice in a couple days... wanna ask him to bring them if they're so good.. (they probably won't cost him anything..)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: kivabb on April 12, 2011, 04:48:39 PM
Hi, read all 20 pages of thread. Lots of great info of where to stay and where to eat. As far as activities (if not going for Shabbos), all I see is Gandola ride, Ghetto, blowing glass places and getting lost. I bought that Lonely Planet book Dan recommended and once I filtered out churches and art (I hate art), I was having some difficulty planning 2 days of activity. Granted I want to chill out and just enjoy the scenery, but if someone can recomment let's say top 5 things to do (besides eating, Shabbos, and art), it would be much appreciated.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on April 12, 2011, 05:49:17 PM
Hi, read all 20 pages of thread. Lots of great info of where to stay and where to eat. As far as activities (if not going for Shabbos), all I see is Gandola ride, Ghetto, blowing glass places and getting lost. I bought that Lonely Planet book Dan recommended and once I filtered out churches and art (I hate art), I was having some difficulty planning 2 days of activity. Granted I want to chill out and just enjoy the scenery, but if someone can recomment let's say top 5 things to do (besides eating, Shabbos, and art), it would be much appreciated.

Murano, Burano, Doge's Palace (you might consider that are, but it's magnificent), S. Mark's Square and Rialto Bridge. The last two can (also) be done on Shabbos (i.e. no boat or admission fee required).
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on April 12, 2011, 06:51:12 PM
I presume by hating art, you mean visiting museums etc.

Just beautiful buildings don't promote allergic reactions I hope, otherwise don't bother with VCE.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on April 12, 2011, 10:04:36 PM
just relax in st marks square with an overpriced beer and listen to the music
when i was there some people had their own kayak and were rowing around
or maybe you can rent a waverunner. im not sure if they rent those though
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on April 13, 2011, 03:10:17 AM
just relax in st marks square with an overpriced beer and listen to the music
when i was there some people had their own kayak and were rowing around
or maybe you can rent a waverunner. im not sure if they rent those though

You can BYOB, it's free. Just don't sit by the tables of those overpriced bars. Waverunners are illegal in Venice.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on April 13, 2011, 03:18:44 AM
You can BYOB, it's free. Just don't sit by the tables of those overpriced bars.
theres nowhere else to sit. youre paying for a beer, a seat and a concert. i mustve sat for an hour and a half
Waverunners are illegal in Venice.
you must be kidding
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on April 13, 2011, 03:22:08 AM
theres nowhere else to sit. youre paying for a beer, a seat and a concert. i mustve sat for an hour and a half

If it's dry I'd just bring a sweatshirt or something to sit on and sit on the floor. Then again, I was a 'starving' Yeshiva student at the time.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: kivabb on April 13, 2011, 09:20:40 AM
Murano, Burano, Doge's Palace (you might consider that are, but it's magnificent), S. Mark's Square and Rialto Bridge.

Thanks!

theres nowhere else to sit. youre paying for a beer, a seat and a concert. i mustve sat for an hour and a halfyou must be kidding

Thnak you. Anything else I can get besides a beer that I won't look like a chazer sitting there with my wife and not a kashrus issue?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on April 13, 2011, 09:47:16 AM
Thanks!

Thnak you. Anything else I can get besides a beer that I won't look like a chazer sitting there with my wife and not a kashrus issue?
Order a coke from the bar and bring along some yummy pastries or Pizza from Gam Gam Goodies?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: kivabb on April 13, 2011, 09:50:56 AM
Order a coke from the bar and bring along some yummy pastries or Pizza from Gam Gam Goodies?

Sounds good! Do I need to worry about Coke internationally as far as hechsher or should I stick with club soda?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on April 24, 2011, 03:05:41 AM
Coke is ok, all variations.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Cholentfresser on April 24, 2011, 03:16:32 AM
Coke is ok, all variations.
as long as its the liquid coke ::)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: kivabb on April 29, 2011, 10:11:25 AM
Going in a couple of weeks. Exchange rate to Euro is 1.56 and rate to exchange back to dollars is 1.41. SO I would lose 10% of my money on anything unused. Besides resteraunts, Gandola's and cheap pocketbooks, what else do I need cash for that I can't put on plastic?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: myb821 on April 29, 2011, 10:13:00 AM
Going in a couple of weeks. Exchange rate to Euro is 1.56 and rate to exchange back to dollars is 1.41. SO I would lose 10% of my money on anything unused. Besides resteraunts, Gandola's and cheap pocketbooks, what else do I need cash for that I can't put on plastic?
why cant u put restaurants on plastic
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on April 29, 2011, 10:16:49 AM
Going in a couple of weeks. Exchange rate to Euro is 1.56 and rate to exchange back to dollars is 1.41. SO I would lose 10% of my money on anything unused. Besides resteraunts, Gandola's and cheap pocketbooks, what else do I need cash for that I can't put on plastic?

It might be too late, but if you has a Schwab bank account you can withdraw money from a US account via ATM with no ATM/forex fees.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: kivabb on April 29, 2011, 10:22:53 AM
why cant u put restaurants on plastic

I thought someone on this forum said GG doesn't take plastic. Is that not true?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: myb821 on April 29, 2011, 10:32:31 AM
I thought someone on this forum said GG doesn't take plastic. Is that not true?
what is gg and apparently i am missing something
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on April 29, 2011, 10:52:24 AM
I thought someone on this forum said GG doesn't take plastic. Is that not true?
Cash only as of last May at least.
Also if you want to buy anything in the markets you need cash.
Most storeowners frown on plastic as well and require a minimum of $30 or so to use plastic
We bought art in the jewish ghetto and got a free additional smaller piece of art because we agreed to pay in cash instead of credit card.

Cash is definitely king in VCE.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Avid Reader on April 29, 2011, 07:49:25 PM
The banks in the US charge more then the going exchange rate. I found the best rate was by withdrawing the money from an ATM IN Italy (Change at least a few hundred at a time for it to be worthwhile). Even with the $5 ATM fee Chase charges, the exchange rates and all, I still got a better deal then changing beforehand in the US.

One place not to change you money is at the airport (unless ATM...).
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on April 30, 2011, 09:43:48 PM
The banks in the US charge more then the going exchange rate. I found the best rate was by withdrawing the money from an ATM IN Italy (Change at least a few hundred at a time for it to be worthwhile). Even with the $5 ATM fee Chase charges, the exchange rates and all, I still got a better deal then changing beforehand in the US.

One place not to change you money is at the airport (unless ATM...).

+1, if for some reason you have to change currency and can't withdraw from the ATM, visit the post office, their rates of very good (when compared with the forex places)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: kivabb on May 01, 2011, 12:50:36 AM
Not sure if I'm up to panicking if my pin is 6 digits instead of 4, showing up with just plastic and attacking the first ATM machime I see.

But it's a great idea.

Can someone send me a link of where I could see current exchane rates in Italy for exchanging dollars to Euros so I can make a educated decision?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Avid Reader on May 01, 2011, 02:19:32 AM
Not sure if I'm up to panicking if my pin is 6 digits instead of 4, showing up with just plastic and attacking the first ATM machime I see.

But it's a great idea.



It's probably a good idea to come with a few euros in hand, since you may need to spend some right when you get in, for example you wont be able to take a luggage cart without some change.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: zalman123 on May 03, 2011, 12:00:43 PM
 I saw that you can purchase for 45 euro a Ticket valid for 72 hours (that is for who long ill be their) on these Alilaguna lines BLU - ROSSA - ARANCIO An excursion to Murano, Burano and Torcello is included in the price. I'm assuming it it includes the ride from and to the airport. Is this a good deal?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on May 03, 2011, 01:44:23 PM
I'm not so sure it includes a ride to and from the airport. (Depending which airport, VCE you can travel to and from by boat).
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: zalman123 on May 03, 2011, 01:51:11 PM
I'm Landing in VCE and if it includes the trip from the airport would it be worth it?

Thanks
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: kivabb on May 03, 2011, 02:14:05 PM
Seems it includes from VCE airport as well as Murano, Burano by private boat

http://www.venicelink.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage_escursioni.tpl&product_id=29&category_id=1&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1&lang=english

Seems doing Murano and Burano seperately would be 17 Euro PP, so 25 Euro for round trip to the airport still doesn't justify.

Can I take one of these for shachris from San Marco to Ghetto if I'm running late? Which stop would it be? Or might as well walk?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: zalman123 on May 03, 2011, 02:21:10 PM
Seems it includes from VCE airport as well as Murano, Burano by private boat

http://www.venicelink.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage_escursioni.tpl&product_id=29&category_id=1&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1&lang=english

Seems doing Murano and Burano seperately would be 17 Euro PP, so 25 Euro for round trip to the airport still doesn't justify.

Can I take one of these for shachris from San Marco to Ghetto if I'm running late? Which stop would it be? Or might as well walk?

is a boat necessary from the westin to the Jewish area? Or the only boat ride that is necessary is to the Murano and the airport everything else it close enough to walk?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: kivabb on May 03, 2011, 02:26:55 PM
is a boat necessary from the westin to the Jewish area? Or the only boat ride that is necessary is to the Murano and the airport everything else it close enough to walk?

Everyone here on forum is saying how awesome the walk is. But while my wife is sleeping in the Westin and I'm running to shul, I would love to save myself a 35 minute walk each way and do the walk with her later. Will that boat work from San MArco to Ghetto?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: zalman123 on May 03, 2011, 02:32:04 PM
Everyone here on forum is saying how awesome the walk is. But while my wife is sleeping in the Westin and I'm running to shul, I would love to save myself a 35 minute walk each way and do the walk with her later. Will that boat work from San MArco to Ghetto?


it seems we both have the same questions! anybody with some experience care to help?

From what i understand the boat does go close by but I'm not 100% sure since i was never there, that's why I'm thinking of getting the 72 hour ticket and besides at night you might be tired to walk back form supper so the boat would be helpful.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on May 03, 2011, 04:17:23 PM
Everyone here on forum is saying how awesome the walk is. But while my wife is sleeping in the Westin and I'm running to shul, I would love to save myself a 35 minute walk each way and do the walk with her later. Will that boat work from San MArco to Ghetto?

IIRC the boat won't save you much time, but it'll definitely save you from getting lost...
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: kivabb on May 03, 2011, 04:21:43 PM
Thanks. Do you remember what stop it is?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: zalman123 on May 03, 2011, 04:48:40 PM
Thanks. Do you remember what stop it is?
so are you getting the 72 boal pass?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: kivabb on May 03, 2011, 04:55:32 PM
so are you getting the 72 boal pass?

If I can say korbanos on a boat instead of taking the scenic route and getting lost early in the morning, I would strongly consider. Getting lost is fun with your wife on vacation when you're supposed to be doing it. Not when I'm late for davening. Do you even know what time they daven Shachris (or Mincha and Maariv for that matter) this month? I tried emailing but no response yet.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on May 03, 2011, 06:00:19 PM
Thanks. Do you remember what stop it is?

I think the Guglie stop is the closest to the Ghetto.

If I can say korbanos on a boat instead of taking the scenic route and getting lost early in the morning, I would strongly consider. Getting lost is fun with your wife on vacation when you're supposed to be doing it. Not when I'm late for davening. Do you even know what time they daven Shachris (or Mincha and Maariv for that matter) this month? I tried emailing but no response yet.

My guess is Shachris is 9:30/10am daily, and Mincha/Maariv b'zmanam (besides for Friday night and Shabbos, which might be different). Try calling the Rabbi on his cell (that's the number on the bottom of the right side at http://www.jewishvenice.org/), he will IY"H answer your questions.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: zalman123 on May 04, 2011, 10:41:28 AM

I am still very confused about the boats getting around from point A to point B is their a map that you could recommend?

I noticed that the POPE will be there the same day as I arrive how bad do you think it will get and do you have any tips?

Thanks
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on May 04, 2011, 11:07:03 AM
I am still very confused about the boats getting around from point A to point B is their a map that you could recommend?

I noticed that the POPE will be there the same day as I arrive how bad do you think it will get and do you have any tips?

Thanks


Check out these maps:
(http://www.venice-rentals.com/images/routes/routemap-41-42.gif)

(http://www.venice-rentals.com/images/routes/routemap-51-52.gif)

Note that during vey high tides the route changes (http://www.actv.it/en/movinginvenice/emergencyservice).

Or if you;re adventurous...:

http://www.venice.nu/vapmap/vapomap2010.jpg

I don't know anything about how the Nazi's presence will affect your mobility.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: myb821 on May 04, 2011, 11:11:58 AM
Or if you;re adventurous...:

http://www.venice.nu/vapmap/vapomap2010.jpg

hey that looks like ny subway map not so bad
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: zalman123 on May 04, 2011, 11:14:18 AM
Thanks for the maps now it makes a little more sense, greatly appreciated!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on May 04, 2011, 11:16:34 AM
hey that looks like ny subway map not so bad

It looks like this (http://www.mta.info/nyct/maps/submap.htm)?  ???

Thanks for the maps now it makes a little more sense, greatly appreciated!

You're welcome, enjoy your trip. Please send my regards to the Rabbi.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on May 04, 2011, 11:25:48 AM
IMHO I don't think it's worthwhile to take the boat from the Westin to San Marco.

The boat trip will take longer overall and will cost $.
Once you do the walk once you won't get lost, it's pretty straightforward.  There are tons of little alleys to walk on, but they all wind up in the same place.

Also you can go to Murano, etc. with the cheaper local boats than the airport boat company.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: steve L on May 04, 2011, 11:50:35 AM
i will be in venice this august from thurs night to wed morning? is that too much time and if so does it make sense to do a day tour to florence ? any advice would be appreciated
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: zalman123 on May 04, 2011, 12:00:49 PM
Help I just got this email from the Westin Does this enclude the Alilaguna?

Regarding the transportation from the airport to the hotel due to navigation restrictions on the Grand Canal during the official visit of Pope Benedict XVI will be not possible to reach the hotel directly by boat until 8.00pm.
You can take a private water taxi to come to Venice, at the cost of 100.00 Euro, and they will stop to the nearest water taxi dock available, should be the Rialto bridge at around 15 minutes walking to the hotel or we can arrange an assisted transfer at the cost of about 170.00 Euro that included also the porter service from the water taxi dock to the hotel.
We remain at your disposal
Best Regards
Alessandro Concierge.


Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: kivabb on May 04, 2011, 12:35:18 PM
IMHO I don't think it's worthwhile to take the boat from the Westin to San Marco.

Dan, you mean San Marco to Ghetto?


Also you can go to Murano, etc. with the cheaper local boats than the airport boat company.

14 Euro to Murano and Burano is too much? How low do you think we can find?

Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on May 04, 2011, 12:41:35 PM
i will be in venice this august from thurs night to wed morning? is that too much time and if so does it make sense to do a day tour to florence ? any advice would be appreciated

Yes and yes.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on May 04, 2011, 12:43:59 PM
Dan, you mean San Marco to Ghetto?

14 Euro to Murano and Burano is too much? How low do you think we can find?


Sorry, I meant to the Ghetto.

I think we paid less to Murano via water bus, but I don't really remember.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: steve L on May 04, 2011, 12:45:26 PM
Yes and yes.
#1 is there any better day to go to florence either sunday or monday? bec i have read that some places are closed on those days
#2 what would you recommend for florence ? not so much into art plus will have that in the other cities. i would love to take a tour of the shul but what else?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on May 04, 2011, 12:50:24 PM
#1 is there any better day to go to florence either sunday or monday? bec i have read that some places are closed on those days
#2 what would you recommend for florence ? not so much into art plus will have that in the other cities. i would love to take a tour of the shul but what else?

There are lots of places to visit in Italy, it depends on what you're looking to do, how much you want to spend, whether you take a train or rent a car etc.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: steve L on May 04, 2011, 12:52:23 PM
There are lots of places to visit in Italy, it depends on what you're looking to do, how much you want to spend, whether you take a train or rent a car etc.
i plan on taking the train to florence but if im doing a day trip what is it worthwhile to see besides like uffizi or accademia which is art which i dont mind but dont love and is prob very crazy packed.
what places have you seen or heard that are worthwhile to make the trip there
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on May 04, 2011, 12:55:27 PM
i plan on taking the train to florence but if im doing a day trip what is it worthwhile to see besides like uffizi or accademia which is art which i dont mind but dont love and is prob very crazy packed.
what places have you seen or heard that are worthwhile to make the trip there

Padova is beautiful at night (it's less than an hour by train), Sienna is marvelous, Cinque Terra is amazon, Lake Como and Lago Dell'Garda are really pretty.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: steve L on May 04, 2011, 12:58:54 PM
Padova is beautiful at night (it's less than an hour by train), Sienna is marvelous, Cinque Terra is amazon, Lake Como and Lago Dell'Garda are really pretty.
im alittle lost i was asking what to do in florence if doing a day trip from venice? unless you recommend going somewhere else that is not so far by train from venice?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on May 04, 2011, 01:03:30 PM
im alittle lost i was asking what to do in florence if doing a day trip from venice? unless you recommend going somewhere else that is not so far by train from venice?

In Florence: thee ones you mentioned, and IIRC there's a square that has Michaelangelo's David and overlooks the city, great views, very picturesque. There's also a really big bridge with shops alongside it, I think it's called Ponte Vecchio. I'm sure a travel guide (e.g. Lonely Planet) and/or trip website (e.g. TripAdvisor) would give you many more ideas.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: steve L on May 04, 2011, 01:07:55 PM
In Florence: thee ones you mentioned, and IIRC there's a square that has Michaelangelo's David and overlooks the city, great views, very picturesque. There's also a really big bridge with shops alongside it, I think it's called Ponte Vecchio. I'm sure a travel guide (e.g. Lonely Planet) and/or trip website (e.g. TripAdvisor) would give you many more ideas.
thank you ashero for your help.

is this what you recommend or are the other places you mentioned a better choice in your opinion ( and not to far away)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on May 04, 2011, 01:10:40 PM
is this what you recommend or are the other places you mentioned a better choice in your opinion ( and not to far away)

I'm just sharing what I remember and offering suggestions/ideas. If you check out these places you'll get an idea for what they're like and decide what suits you best. I don't think you'll be disappointed with Florence. Personally, I loved Sienna, but that's just me.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on May 04, 2011, 01:25:40 PM
around san marco there are many ppl offering free water taxi to murano
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on May 04, 2011, 01:28:45 PM
around san marco there are many ppl offering free water taxi to murano

That makes sense, they're hoping you'll buy glassware.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: kivabb on May 04, 2011, 01:30:50 PM
That makes sense, they're hoping you'll buy glassware.

I see some of the museum passes offer some tour of Glass Museum in Murano? Anything worthwhile or just window shop?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on May 04, 2011, 01:33:17 PM
I see some of the museum passes offer some tour of Glass Museum in Murano? Anything worthwhile or just window shop?

It's really cool to see the glass blowing going on, and the showrooms. Also, in/near the Ghetto (David's Shop maybe) there is (or at least was) a guy who sometimes blows those glass Rabbi characters (kinda like glass stick figures), it's really neat to watch that.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on May 04, 2011, 01:35:35 PM
That makes sense, they're hoping you'll buy glassware.
so you have to hear a sales pitch for 15 minutes. big deal
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on May 04, 2011, 01:42:06 PM
so you have to hear a sales pitch for 15 minutes. big deal

I'm just explaining the rationale, not saying there's a problem with free :D
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: kivabb on May 04, 2011, 01:50:16 PM
Seems you can get for 60 Euro a 3 day Alliguna pass that includes airport round trip, Murano, Burano, and musum pass. Let's say I get to Murano for free. I can't assume it's free going back. With this, I get Burano as well.

http://www.venicelink.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage_escursioni.tpl&product_id=136&category_id=1&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1&lang=english

The museum pass is 18 Euro seperate, Airport round trip is 25. So for another 17 Euro I'm getting Burano and Murano round trip and the option to take this boat whenever I want (eventhough unlikely).

Not a bad deal, is it?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on May 04, 2011, 01:51:40 PM
Will you pay 18 for the museum anyway?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: kivabb on May 04, 2011, 01:54:21 PM
Will you pay 18 for the museum anyway?


I was told Doges Palace on this forum is a "should" see. It included Glass Museum as well. If you disagree you'll save me time and 18 Euro  :)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on May 04, 2011, 02:00:34 PM
I was told Doges Palace on this forum is a "should" see. It included Glass Museum as well. If you disagree you'll save me time and 18 Euro  :)
Didn't do either as we're not such museum people.  And we were only in Venice for Friday-Sunday.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on May 04, 2011, 02:05:43 PM
I was told Doges Palace on this forum is a "should" see. It included Glass Museum as well. If you disagree you'll save me time and 18 Euro  :)

If you're going to the Venice I don't think you should miss the Doge's Palace.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: kivabb on May 04, 2011, 02:10:43 PM
This 60 Euro ticket (or 45 w/o Museum PAss) mentioned earlier includes:
http://www.venicelink.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage_escursioni.tpl&product_id=20&category_id=2&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1&lang=english

Is Murano the only thing of interest anyways or does it sound like something worthwhile to spend 3.5 hours on? Otherwise I'll just look for my free boat ride to Murano and fend for myself on way back.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on May 04, 2011, 02:33:01 PM
This 60 Euro ticket (or 45 w/o Museum PAss) mentioned earlier includes:
http://www.venicelink.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage_escursioni.tpl&product_id=20&category_id=2&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1&lang=english

Is Murano the only thing of interest anyways or does it sound like something worthwhile to spend 3.5 hours on? Otherwise I'll just look for my free boat ride to Murano and fend for myself on way back.

If it includes a guide, you should consider what that's worth to you.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: E on May 05, 2011, 01:23:07 AM
This 60 Euro ticket (or 45 w/o Museum PAss) mentioned earlier includes:
http://www.venicelink.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage_escursioni.tpl&product_id=20&category_id=2&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1&lang=english

Is Murano the only thing of interest anyways or does it sound like something worthwhile to spend 3.5 hours on? Otherwise I'll just look for my free boat ride to Murano and fend for myself on way back.
personally spend an hour on murano after seeing 5-10 shops everything is really the same if you go to the back/upstairs in some of the shops they have the more expensive stuff which is really amazing to look at the prices I remember one piece of glass for sale for 100,000 euro.. and I took public transport both ways.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on May 05, 2011, 01:42:15 AM
if you go to the back/upstairs in some of the shops they have the more expensive stuff which is really amazing to look at the prices I remember one piece of glass for sale for 100,000 euro..

The creativity and expression of art, as well as the expert craftsmanship is much more amazing than the prices IMHO
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: E on May 05, 2011, 02:43:21 AM
The creativity and expression of art, as well as the expert craftsmanship is much more amazing than the prices IMHO
what would you rather look at 100K or art, seriously  ;D !
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on May 05, 2011, 03:13:21 AM
To just look?

I rather look at art.

It doesn't sound impressive, but once you see how they make them, its wow.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on May 05, 2011, 03:14:11 AM
what would you rather look at 100K or art, seriously  ;D !

$100k is only $100k, finite, ephemeral, and subject to inflation :D The human spirit expressed in art is eternal and priceless.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on May 05, 2011, 03:17:40 AM
I got some great cufflinks in Murano.  Everyone always asks where I got them!

Keep an eye out for Jewish glass art.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on May 05, 2011, 03:18:40 AM
I got some great cufflinks in Murano.  Everyone always asks where I got them!

Pics please?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on May 05, 2011, 03:32:24 AM
Pics please?
Remind me next week when I'm home.

I bought about 6 pairs but gave away all but 1 I think.  Amazing gifts for $10-$30 a pair.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: kivabb on May 09, 2011, 11:29:55 AM
Can I get away with not bringing my laptop to Venice? Staying in Westin which I was told has business center (and cheaper internet then in room) and Lufthansa business. I usually just login to my desktop remotely so any computer would do. Will I find computers easily in Westin business center and Luftansa lounge? No, I'm not a Platinum member  :-\ Thanks.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on May 09, 2011, 11:30:45 AM
Can I get away with not bringing my laptop to Venice? Staying in Westin which I was told has business center (and cheaper internet then in room) and Lufthansa business. I usually just login to my desktop remotely so any computer would do. Will I find computers easily in Westin business center and Luftansa lounge? No, I'm not a Platinum member  :-\ Thanks.
Dunno, I just used my laptop.
Are you using points at the Westin or paying?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: kivabb on May 09, 2011, 11:45:39 AM
Dunno, I just used my laptop.
Are you using points at the Westin or paying?

Cash and Points. Any tricks up your sleeve?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on May 09, 2011, 11:47:37 AM
Cash and Points. Any tricks up your sleeve?
Not anymore.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: myb821 on May 09, 2011, 11:56:38 AM
And if it wasn't cash and points what trick would u have
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: kivabb on May 09, 2011, 01:32:32 PM
Dunno, I just used my laptop.

You had Platinum and Google Voice. I have neither.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Avid Reader on May 09, 2011, 04:28:02 PM
You had Platinum and Google Voice. I have neither.

Google voice with Gizmo5, which I understand is not working any more. What about other sip clients?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: jbaruchov on May 20, 2011, 07:31:34 PM
I am looking to travel to Venice with my husband in the end of June from NY \NJ area. How can I find the cheapest way?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on May 20, 2011, 07:33:14 PM
I am looking to travel to Venice with my husband in the end of June from NY \NJ area. How can I find the cheapest way?

Cash or miles?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MnM1130 on June 02, 2011, 03:44:07 PM
ok im officially using this thread now...
my questions- i am planning on going to venice for shabbos and stayin in the westin hotel there. Now when i arrive to venice itll be late (9,10pm) thursday night june 16. So i would have friday-monday to go around in venice, and leaving monday morning. So thats 3 days to tour and 2 of those are basically shabbos. Now if i stay 4 nights already i get a 5th night free- so thatll b one more touring day.. is it crazy to go for 4 full days? to much time there?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: zalman123 on June 02, 2011, 03:50:28 PM
ok im officially using this thread now...
my questions- i am planning on going to venice for shabbos and stayin in the westin hotel there. Now when i arrive to venice itll be late (9,10pm) thursday night june 16. So i would have friday-monday to go around in venice, and leaving monday morning. So thats 3 days to tour and 2 of those are basically shabbos. Now if i stay 4 nights already i get a 5th night free- so thatll b one more touring day.. is it crazy to go for 4 full days? to much time there?

It depends what you enjoy, like going to museums (which i skipped)so there isn't that much to do there
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: U-no-me! on June 02, 2011, 05:10:34 PM
ok im officially using this thread now...
my questions- i am planning on going to venice for shabbos and stayin in the westin hotel there. Now when i arrive to venice itll be late (9,10pm) thursday night june 16. So i would have friday-monday to go around in venice, and leaving monday morning. So thats 3 days to tour and 2 of those are basically shabbos. Now if i stay 4 nights already i get a 5th night free- so thatll b one more touring day.. is it crazy to go for 4 full days? to much time there?

I don't think so, friday you can go to burano and murano. sunday you can go to lido and venice itself. monday you can go a little out of venice to padua. there is also alot of jewish history there, some rishonim are from there and even the abarbanel is buried there (just make sure if you do go to the kever you make an appointment way in advance). And all the while you get to enjoy venice.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MnM1130 on June 02, 2011, 05:33:16 PM
I don't think so, friday you can go to burano and murano. sunday you can go to lido and venice itself. monday you can go a little out of venice to padua. there is also alot of jewish history there, some rishonim are from there and even the abarbanel is buried there (just make sure if you do go to the kever you make an appointment way in advance). And all the while you get to enjoy venice.
k thanks!
anyhow no touring on monday cus flight to catch at 1. but well have thursday friday and sunday to go around...
and besides its going to be our vacation before a very long and hard summer... so relaxin in the hotel shud be quite nice.

thanks for all ur help!!!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Avid Reader on June 03, 2011, 01:54:21 AM
I'd also suggest taking a tour of the ghetto's and Shuls there, which should take about an hour or 2 if you include the Jewish museum.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on June 03, 2011, 04:21:04 AM
k thanks!
anyhow no touring on monday cus flight to catch at 1. but well have thursday friday and sunday to go around...
and besides its going to be our vacation before a very long and hard summer... so relaxin in the hotel shud be quite nice.

thanks for all ur help!!!
if you are looking to relax in ur hotel, why shlep to venice? i can get you a good deal at a hotel in compton
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MnM1130 on June 03, 2011, 07:48:22 AM
if you are looking to relax in ur hotel, why shlep to venice? i can get you a good deal at a hotel in compton
well im lukin 2 go to venice. and IF itll be to long of a stay there cus i get the 5th night free- than i will use that day to relax. its free :) but i higly doubt that would happen/.... just to get food will be a hike!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on June 03, 2011, 10:56:14 AM
@ m&m: the stay planned is perfect to get soaked up in the matzav there.

Instead of rushing like a visit between connecting flights, you take it easy.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MnM1130 on June 05, 2011, 04:02:13 AM
is 54 euro from avis a good rate for one day rental from an avis location (not airport, from piazzala roma)?  i would like to travel to rome one day and i think thats the chpst way to go (train is about 100$ a person one way..) i used avis code D005927 – Best AWD For European Rentals. I didnt want to rent from the airport cus thats just a waste of time to get to... i will be staying in the westin europa hotel. do i make sense? im talking from what ive read not what i actually know... so if you can think of anythin better.. i would love to hear
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: U-no-me! on June 05, 2011, 07:22:30 AM
is 54 euro from avis a good rate for one day rental from an avis location (not airport, from piazzala roma)?  i would like to travel to rome one day and i think thats the chpst way to go (train is about 100$ a person one way..) i used avis code D005927 – Best AWD For European Rentals. I didnt want to rent from the airport cus thats just a waste of time to get to... i will be staying in the westin europa hotel. do i make sense? im talking from what ive read not what i actually know... so if you can think of anythin better.. i would love to hear
Am i understanding that you want to travel from venice to rome!? is that round trip?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MnM1130 on June 05, 2011, 08:03:24 AM
Am i understanding that you want to travel from venice to rome!? is that round trip?
im going to venice, and than one day i wanna drive to rome.. what u mean round trip?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on June 05, 2011, 09:08:20 AM
are you are aware that its a 5 hour drive from venice to rome? that's like saying i am going on vacation to new work city and planning on driving to washington dc and back in 1 day. crazy to do and impossible with an infant. florence is a little more reasonable. like going to philadelphia for a day
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MnM1130 on June 05, 2011, 09:27:38 AM
are you are aware that its a 5 hour drive from venice to rome? that's like saying i am going on vacation to new work city and planning on driving to washington dc and back in 1 day. crazy to do and impossible with an infant. florence is a little more reasonable. like going to philadelphia for a day
nope not aware.. which is y i was askin if i make sense... ok next plan.... thanks for the help!!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on June 05, 2011, 03:37:06 PM
nope not aware.. which is y i was askin if i make sense... ok next plan.... thanks for the help!!
You can go to Florence for a day, if you leave early enough. IIRC it's like 3 hours drive.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MnM1130 on June 05, 2011, 03:44:20 PM
You can go to Florence for a day, if you leave early enough. IIRC it's like 3 hours drive.

right... i figured that also after i was told about rome. i guess ill figure out if ill travel anywhere once i have all my plans and the stupid hotel opens up one missing night....
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on June 05, 2011, 03:46:51 PM
the stupid hotel opens up one missing night....

have you tried calling them?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MnM1130 on June 05, 2011, 03:49:28 PM
have you tried calling them?
the hotel directly no.. but im using points- and they have no rooms for one night- i call them spg twice a day and i check online all day... i also emailed the hotel. I really hope itll open up n i feel it will... its just a matter of time. Im also waiting on the flight i wanted and now changed a bit,.. so im waitin for a lotta stuff to fall into place. in the mean time im planing things but no set plans.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on June 05, 2011, 03:51:16 PM
Call the hotel
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MnM1130 on June 05, 2011, 03:53:25 PM
Call the hotel
YES SIR.
i shall do that... thanks
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: U-no-me! on June 05, 2011, 05:27:29 PM
nope not aware.. which is y i was askin if i make sense... ok next plan.... thanks for the help!!

Well as you are now aware of rome is on the other end of italy at LEAST 5 hr driving if not more. Florence is about 4 hrs from venice and 45 min further is pisa (if your already there, because pisa by tself is not worth it to go to). I don't sugest that you go to florence.

On the other hand if your up to some driving, "como" or lago como is fairy tale beautiful. it's about 150 miles or about 3 hr. drive from venice. It is extradionary. como is also about 6 km from the swiss border if you wanted to cross into switzerland and como is also about 30 min from milan. In milan there is a very delicious authentic italian dairy restauraunt called carmel, if your upto it. GL
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MnM1130 on June 05, 2011, 06:12:15 PM
Well as you are now aware of rome is on the other end of italy at LEAST 5 hr driving if not more. Florence is about 4 hrs from venice and 45 min further is pisa (if your already there, because pisa by tself is not worth it to go to). I don't sugest that you go to florence.

On the other hand if your up to some driving, "como" or lago como is fairy tale beautiful. it's about 150 miles or about 3 hr. drive from venice. It is extradionary. como is also about 6 km from the swiss border if you wanted to cross into switzerland and como is also about 30 min from milan. In milan there is a very delicious authentic italian dairy restauraunt called carmel, if your upto it. GL
thanks for the info.. awesome!
I hope to be able to do something else there as well besides see venice... so thanks for the thought!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: ChAiM'l on June 05, 2011, 06:54:08 PM
I'm trying to find C&P availability for all three SPG hotels to no but they all show as not available (mid-June). Is there a chance that I could get it by calling the hotel directly?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MnM1130 on June 05, 2011, 06:56:59 PM
I'm trying to find C&P availability for all three SPG hotels to no but they all show as not available (mid-June). Is there a chance that I could get it by calling the hotel directly?
haha good luck. did u try spg? is there ANY availability? or just no c&p
id love to know.. cus i wud luv to use cash and points also....
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MnM1130 on June 05, 2011, 06:57:37 PM
I'm trying to find C&P availability for all three SPG hotels to no but they all show as not available (mid-June). Is there a chance that I could get it by calling the hotel directly?
oh, and if we stay in the same hotels the same time maybe there will b more and my husband will have a minyan there...
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: ChAiM'l on June 05, 2011, 07:45:26 PM
I was planning to arrive on the 20th. Come to think if it, there wasn't points availability either... Does that mean I'm stuck paying cash?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Bp on June 05, 2011, 08:03:01 PM
@ChAiM'l:
@MnM1130:
Call the hotel ask for the director of revenue, tell him/her that  SPG told you to call him, cuz ONLY he can open it up points or C&P, I've almost allway got them to open it up.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MnM1130 on June 06, 2011, 05:11:18 AM
@ChAiM'l:
@MnM1130:
Call the hotel ask for the director of revenue, tell him/her that  SPG told you to call him, cuz ONLY he can open it up points or C&P, I've almost allway got them to open it up.
i called them and spoke to a few pple- and they cant do anything... she said its overbooked the hotel and as of now there is nothing opened. they put me on a waitlist and told me to call them back a few days b4 travel. but i will still call spg every day and c what they can do. im nervous if i show up and theres no room ill b stranded for a night... but well wait and c.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MnM1130 on June 15, 2011, 04:54:50 AM
theres supposedly another kosher restaurant in venice besides for gam gam- anyone hear of it?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on June 15, 2011, 08:57:45 AM
theres supposedly another kosher restaurant in venice besides for gam gam- anyone hear of it?


Its called Piazza Di Salmonella
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MnM1130 on June 15, 2011, 09:04:35 AM
Its called Piazza Di Salmonella
u know how i can get info on there? i searched online and cant find anythin... where is it located? thanks
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: myb821 on June 15, 2011, 09:14:56 AM
I don't think u read what he wrote carefully
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MnM1130 on June 15, 2011, 09:23:18 AM
I don't think u read what he wrote carefully
LOL... totally did not. I guess thats what happens when ur pressured to leave tom and u just made tickets yesterday, and ur kid got shots and wont stop kvetching.... but can i know where that is so as no to go there lol?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on June 15, 2011, 09:28:32 AM
theres supposedly another kosher restaurant in venice besides for gam gam- anyone hear of it?

Gam Gam has an excellent bakery/pizza restaurant besides the main fleishig gam gam.
There's also Frulala for excellent smoothies.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on June 15, 2011, 12:21:31 PM
theres supposedly another kosher restaurant in venice besides for gam gam- anyone hear of it?

Already discussed in this thread, didn't you read it (http://www.dansdeals.com/forums/index.php?topic=7871.msg92105#msg92105)? :P

Its a meat restaurant (its also got a hotel on top) - http://www.kosherclublebalthazar.com/Engl_index.html

I wouldn't eat there for political reasons, I also think it's more expensive than Gam Gam.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: BAHayman on June 15, 2011, 12:28:07 PM
Its a meat restaurant (its also got a hotel on top) - http://www.kosherclublebalthazar.com/Engl_index.html

Not sure its still around...

from the website (http://www.kosherclublebalthazar.com/)

Quote from: Kosher Club Le Balthazar Website
Dear visitor,

This is to inform you that the RESTAURANT KOSHER CLUB LE BALTHAZAR is NO LONGER under the Minkowitz management, therefore you are advised that the kashrut is no longer under our responsability and the services within art not under our responsability.

we have nothing to do with the above mentioned RESTAURANT.

Cordially
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MnM1130 on June 15, 2011, 12:50:01 PM
ya that reastaurant on the website says the hechsher is no good... stam i was talkin to a friend that said a new restaurant just opened up and its supposed to be really good and a bit fancier than gam gam... but lots of these things are rumors or wtvr.. and yes asher0 :) i read thru the thread... just wanted an update on that if anyone know about it.
thanks for ur help! leavin tom night!!!!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on June 15, 2011, 12:59:31 PM
Send me some bakery stuff from gam gam treats ;)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MnM1130 on June 15, 2011, 01:14:25 PM
Send me some bakery stuff from gam gam treats ;)
itll prob be cheaper and faster if u go there n get them ;)
Title: Venice on Cash & Points (or other economical option)
Post by: Moisheleh on June 15, 2011, 05:38:19 PM
Hi all,

I'm looking to book a three-night weekend in Venice next week (June 23-26). It would be great if I could get all three nights in a nice hotel, but at the very least one night (Thursday) in a five-star and the other two (Shabbos and Motzei Shabbos) in a lower-class (but still clean and neat) hotel.

I (naturally) turned to Starwood to see what they've got. Each of their three (Westin, Danieli, and Gritti) are charging a royal fortune. I spoke to SPG, and they told me for 1,000 Starpoints I could knock down the rate by around 200 Euros a night - but the rates are still around 500 Euros (!) even with that discount.

I've heard the terms "cash and points" and "nights and flights" tossed around. Would either of those options help me? According to the SPG site, there is no C&P available, and I don't even know how N&F works. Is there any hope for me? What about paying with points only - can it be that it's not an option? And even if it is an option, is it worth it?

Failing that... anybody got any other ideas? I would like to budget less than a thousand bucks for hotels, if possible - the less the better.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Venice on Cash & Points (or other economical option)
Post by: MnM1130 on June 15, 2011, 05:46:57 PM
being that i just booked pretty much the same vacation for the week b4 (this week) i can prob help u with info.
i booked with points in the westin cus its the lowest level there- they had no cash and points available- and YES its worth it... the hotels right now are really expensive (even with points) cus its high season. I booked with a few thousand spg points per night EXTRA cus its high season and the lower room types werent available- BUT at least i get an upgraded nicer room. You have to keep calling spg to try and get the rooms opened (its the 24th thats giving problems) but IT WILL open up.. its just a matter of time (it may b the day b4- so if u wanna chance that ur more than welcome... i didnt chance it and my room opened up..)
any more help on that matter i can try and help u.
good luck on ur trip!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on June 15, 2011, 06:00:47 PM
I'm looking to book a three-night weekend in Venice next week (June 23-26).
People book up hotels in Europe during high season many months in advance.  Good luck finding much of anything unless there are cancellations.
The Danieli is not a good option for shabbos (see my Venice trip notes)

The 1,000 Starpoints is for an SPG50 cert.  I should have an extra one lying around if you want it.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on June 15, 2011, 06:12:23 PM
@MnM1130
As alot of us know that you were trying to work yourself out a nice vacation and it looks like you are managing, a decent helpful trip report would help us all at the end of it!
Have a safe trip!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yordai Dooma on June 15, 2011, 06:13:21 PM
People book up hotels in Europe during high season many months in advance.  Good luck finding much of anything unless there are cancellations.


thats good to know...i have to book a few nights in august and have been procrastinating
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Moisheleh on June 15, 2011, 06:17:49 PM
People book up hotels in Europe during high season many months in advance.  Good luck finding much of anything unless there are cancellations.
The Danieli is not a good option for shabbos (see my Venice trip notes)

The 1,000 Starpoints is for an SPG50 cert.  I should have an extra one lying around if you want it.

Thanks! The cert definitely sounds good... how do I get it?

And BTW, I already read through your trip notes last night - awesome stuff. Thanks!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MnM1130 on June 15, 2011, 06:34:06 PM
@MnM1130
As alot of us know that you were trying to work yourself out a nice vacation and it looks like you are managing, a decent helpful trip report would help us all at the end of it!
Have a safe trip!
i sure will! not like i will do much more than anyone over here.. it ended up only a weekend trip so not much to do... but im sure itll b nice thanks to everyone elses reports!!
Title: Re: Venice on Cash & Points (or other economical option)
Post by: Jkhein on June 15, 2011, 06:41:20 PM
[quote author=MnM1130 link=topic=3.msg95518#msg95518 date=1308174417i didnt chance it and my room opened up..)
any more help on that matter i can try and help u.
good luck on ur trip!
[/quote]
so maybe you could  cancel the old reservation that you used extra points for, and rebook for the regular rate that just opened..?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on June 16, 2011, 02:34:08 PM
Thanks! The cert definitely sounds good... how do I get it?
PM me if you actually plan to use it and I'll be glad to send it to you.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MnM1130 on June 22, 2011, 11:28:19 AM
ok i will update my trip as soon as i can.. right now im to busy trying to settle into  my summer home (all over ny) and im tryint to repack all my suitcases so i can live off of that for the nest 2 months.
but thanks for all your help i had an amazing vacation and its thanks to e/o!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: ChAiM'l on June 24, 2011, 10:16:52 AM
Does anyone have any suggestions (from personal experience) for a decent hotel for next week, preferably close to the Ghetto? There isn't any SPG availability, so that's not an option, and I don't want to pay too much...
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on June 24, 2011, 11:01:15 AM
Does anyone have any suggestions (from personal experience) for a decent hotel for next week, preferably close to the Ghetto? There isn't any SPG availability, so that's not an option, and I don't want to pay too much...
Did you call SPG to check for upgraded availability?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: ChAiM'l on June 24, 2011, 12:56:37 PM
Did you call SPG to check for upgraded availability?
Meaning?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: ChAiM'l on June 25, 2011, 09:39:41 PM
Is there any chance of the Westin opening up C&P availability for this week if I call them directly?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MnM1130 on June 28, 2011, 01:06:14 AM
I have quite a long report... i tried to shorten it but i didnt succeed that well..
But here was our trip to venice...

We arrived in venice at about 10:30am Friday morning and were informed our stroller had been missing and we wont be receiving it until later that day, if were lucky. So being that we had 3 huge suitcases and 2 carry ons and an infant with no stroller- we actually were lucky enough to be able to take the water boat which we just ordered from the airport which cost an arm and a leg (100 euro). But im still fighting with amex and Alitalia for my money back (which I will get) but oh… if you go and you have the extra money- that was an awesome place to spend it. It was really nice and fast and it was a beautiful ride!! We arrived in the westin ( I liked the hotel a lot)- and our room was almost ready cus I requested early check in, but it had no view so I requested them to change my room. They did have one room available which had a partial view- worth waiting the extra 3 hours for.
 I wasted a whole day on the phone with amex platinum services trying to assist me in what to do next cus it was Friday afternoon and we were planning on walking to chabad at night and I was missing an important set of wheels for my lil munchkin. So I just ended getting info on a baby store from the concierge (if uve ever been to venice ull understand that there ARE NO BABY STORES!!) and we took a map and set out on a long journey. Got lost several times- but it was fun- but not that much fun with a 25 lb 1 yr old- but thank god I brought a baby leash and I let him walk when we were not near water. 
We bought a stroller there for 80 euro(!!!) and it was 10% off cus I begged the lady for a discount and it worked!!  (which btw im also makin either Alitalia or amex pay for) But it was a necessity for our shabbos. Shabbos came in at about 8:45, and we set out to walk a supposedly ½ hour walk. Well… it took us over 2.5 hours!!!!
We did have a few malachim over the course of our journey- that walked us from place to place- and one that actually walked us from chabad all the way home which was a much shorter walk but still about 45 mnt walk. Next time we take a bus there b4 shabbos- cus that was a walk to remember.
We made it to chabad at 11:00, exhausted, tired, and hungry . But it was WELL WORTH IT!! We had the most beautiful time there and many people were still eatin there… they were so kind and friendly and helpful. The food was good, and the atmosphere was so nice. We home later on that night (I think we got back home at 2 or 3 I cant remember) but we passed out cus we didn’t sleep in 48 hours. When we came into our room our stroller was sitting there waiting for us- but it made us a bit nervous cus we did tape up the lock and light candles in the room- but thankfully no one said anything to us, and nothing was touched. The next day we did not walk back there we were still aching. So I had brought rolls and deli to make sandwiches and chabad gave us a bottle of wine to have. And we had our own little meal in our room.
The rest of the Shabbos meals we made ourselves ( I brought more than enuf food) We even ate shalosh seudos outside with all the mosquitos on the main canal- and it was so beautiful.
M. Shabbos we went out to St marks sq- and it was fun to watch what was goin on… we walked up the canal and went just for a site seeing tour- that town never sleeps.
Sunday we bought a 24 hour pass on the main water bus(cost us 13 euro a person if I remember correctly) (I think its called atc or sumthin) and we went to morano and watched them blow glass and picked up a few nice things, it was really nice there, worth seeing. Also the scenery there is so gorgeous. Than we took the water bus to the ghetto, and went to check out the pizza store. The food was ok. I didn’t think it was amazing- but def nice to have hot kosher meals there. We than took a tour of the shuls (a last minute decision) which was interesting. And we walked around and checked our emails ;) thanks to chabad for the internet service they provide. (donations accepted.) And last but not least we ate in gam gam- and I actually had a delicious meal… I was deeply impressed. The bakery was closed so I didn’t get to check that out… but I did taste some baked things from the pizza store.
We headed home and took the water bus back to st. marks and later on that night we went on a gondola ride. We paid 100 euro for 30 mnts which was expensive cus it was almost midnight. But we said now or never. Im glad we got to go on it it was something we would never be able to do again. But our guy didn’t sing for us 
Than we headed out to the airport the next morning  with the allilaguna bus took us 1.5 hours to get there- a VERY long ride. I would say it was nice scenery at least but truth is I was out cold.
And than we were off to NY…
I really had an amazing time there and I thank e/o for helping us plan our trip.
I hope this can be of help to whoever…
But venice is an amazing place to go and see…..
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Bp on June 28, 2011, 01:16:45 AM
Thanks, Nice report.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Avid Reader on June 28, 2011, 09:37:15 AM
Shkoiach!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: ChAiM'l on July 01, 2011, 09:59:44 AM
Venice Trip Report 28-29 July '11

Before I start, I have to quote what Dan said:

Quote
-Venice is INCREDIBLE! It’s like no other place you’ve ever been to before. There are no cars as the streets are made of water. Boats and your own two feet comprise the only modes of transportation. It’s a site that you simply MUST see in your lifetime!  And no, going to the Venetian in Vegas does not count

We arrived in VCE at about 11am Tuesday. From landing to exiting the airport took about 15 minutes, very efficient. We took a water-taxi straight to the hotel for €100, which is a flat-rate to anywhere in Venice, I believe. The water taxi/bus stop is about 5-10 minute walk from the terminal, as opposed to the regular bus which stops right outside the terminal. The actual taxi ride was an amazing experience. I’m not sure it was worth €100, but considering we would have been 4 tickets on the Alilaguna which is €15pp, for €40 more it was definitely worth it.
 
As none of the SPG hotels had award availability, we opted for the Hotel UNA (http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g187870-d907563-Reviews-UNA_Hotel_Venezia-Venice_Veneto.html) which ranks #36 on Tripadvisor. It is situated in the Cannaregio district, 2 minutes from the Ca d’Oro vaporetto (water bus) stop, and 15 minutes from the Ghetto/Chabad. We were travelling with my 2 kids and 2 older children (family members), so we booked a Junior Suite. The suite is on two levels. Both floors have full bathrooms, TVs, mini bar etc. The first floor had a sofa which was opened for the kids to sleep on, and the second floor was the bedroom. I would highly recommend the hotel, although Shabbos might be a problem as the only entrance has an automatic door, and everything in the room works electronically.
 
As some of our food was confiscated at LGW (where they are very strict with anything that even resembles a “paste”), we made our way to the Ghetto to check out our options. The weather was beautiful (85 degrees and sunny), so we really enjoyed the walk. We stopped at GamGam Goodies where we bought pizza (there wasn’t much else to buy), and on their advice, took it to the square to eat, as they don’t have seating. I’m not sure why they don’t put out 2 tables by the canal for their customers. It would’ve made life much easier.
 
At the kiosk outside GamGam we bought 36-hour vaporetto passes for €23 + €3 for a one way ticket with the regular bus to the airport. We then walked to the San Marcuola stop where we took the “1” to St. Mark’s Square. After hanging around a little there, watching the pigeons and walking the streets, we went back to the hotel to freshen up. Mincha at Chabad was 7:00, and from there we went to GamGam for supper. Their food is nothing to write home about, but good nonetheless, and definitely beats eating sandwiches or pre-packaged food.  Also although I paid cash, I saw people paying by credit card, so they must’ve added that since Dan was there.
 
Wednesday morning, we started off by walking to the Rialto Bridge to take the obligatory photos. From there, we went to the Ghetto, and took the tour of the three synagogues. The price is €8.50 for an adult and €7 for a child over 7, and includes admission to the museum. Our tour took a little longer than usual because of an obnoxious Israeli group that decided that it’s ok to make a huge Chilul Hashem. The shuls are absolutely beautiful, and worth every penny. We ate lunch from the pizza store, and tried the Gelato (which comes from Belgium, NOT Italy).
 
From there we took a boat from the Guglie stop to Murano, but the glass-blowing places were all closed, so we just browsed the shops a little. After that, we took a long ride back to St. Marks square where my daughter enjoyed feeding the pigeons. We then went back to the hotel to pick up our luggage, and took a 10 minute boat ride to Piazzale Roma. From there it was a 25 minute smooth bus ride to the airport.
 
TIP: If you are going in the summer, you will need lots of water, as it gets very hot there. The average price for a small bottle of cold water is €1 in most places. However, in some places (usually in small non-touristy bakeries etc.) you could get a big cold 1.5l bottle for €1.
 
Hope I didn't leave anything out.

Jewish Ghetto
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Chabad House
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Gam Gam Goodies
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Gam Gam
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Venice
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Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MnM1130 on July 01, 2011, 10:19:59 AM
thanks for the pics! was funny to c them after ive just been there....
its so beautiful there
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on July 01, 2011, 12:16:24 PM
i recommend the fanta orange in italy, all of europe for that matter. in america and israel i cant touch the stuff, but in europe its divine
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on July 01, 2011, 12:17:52 PM
i have a question to people who take pics of their dishes in restaurants, do the other diners look at you funny? i can never gather enough courage to do it
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on July 01, 2011, 12:19:58 PM
Great report!

do the other diners look at you funny?
Nope, but I usually get better service after I start taking pictures :D
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: ChAiM'l on July 01, 2011, 12:31:16 PM
i have a question to people who take pics of their dishes in restaurants, do the other diners look at you funny? i can never gather enough courage to do it

I guess it depends what kind of restaurant. In a more upscale place, I wouldn't take pictures (maybe with my phone I would), but I think that anywhere that you could bring little kids and feel comfortable, is casual enough to take pictures of the food.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Avid Reader on July 03, 2011, 09:47:19 PM
Thanks for the report and pics!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on July 03, 2011, 09:58:52 PM
Thanks for the report and pics!

+1

Thanks Chaim'l, great report. What camera did you use, your pics are beautiful.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: steve L on July 03, 2011, 10:04:08 PM
for peolle who have gone to venice is it worth to see the SECRET ITINERARIES TOUR of doge palace?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on July 04, 2011, 03:23:57 AM
i did it and found it to be interesting
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: ChAiM'l on July 04, 2011, 04:08:45 AM
+1

Thanks Chaim'l, great report. What camera did you use, your pics are beautiful.

Thanks. I use a Nikon D40, most of these pictures were taken with a 35mm 1.8 lens.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yordai Dooma on August 07, 2011, 04:32:02 AM
being that i just booked pretty much the same vacation for the week b4 (this week) i can prob help u with info.
i booked with points in the westin cus its the lowest level there- they had no cash and points available- and YES its worth it... the hotels right now are really expensive (even with points) cus its high season. I booked with a few thousand spg points per night EXTRA cus its high season and the lower room types werent available- BUT at least i get an upgraded nicer room. You have to keep calling spg to try and get the rooms opened (its the 24th thats giving problems) but IT WILL open up.. its just a matter of time (it may b the day b4- so if u wanna chance that ur more than welcome... i didnt chance it and my room opened up..)
any more help on that matter i can try and help u.
good luck on ur trip!

How many SPG points did you use per night at the Westin?
Im looking at 12.5K per night... and no C&P availability. Was curious if thats what you paid and if you thought it was worth it
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on August 07, 2011, 11:15:22 AM
Thanks for both your honest reports.

I've been twice already to Venice and would go again.

One island which wasn't mentioned is Burano, which is particularly picturesque.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on August 07, 2011, 11:27:28 AM
One island which wasn't mentioned is Burano, which is particularly picturesque.

Burano was mentioned multiple times earlier in this thread.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on August 07, 2011, 11:48:30 AM
How far is Burano from S. Marks?
Didn't make it there or to Lido.  Anything to see there?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MnM1130 on August 07, 2011, 01:02:02 PM
How many SPG points did you use per night at the Westin?
Im looking at 12.5K per night... and no C&P availability. Was curious if thats what you paid and if you thought it was worth it
i paid more... but it was high season. its already low season... but i DEF thought it was worth it!!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yordai Dooma on August 07, 2011, 01:26:51 PM
We are only going to be there for one day...would anyone say its more worthwhile to stay in Lido?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yordai Dooma on August 08, 2011, 09:07:34 AM
So i know hotels in Europe work differently than in the US which is why im asking the question....

The Westin in Venice comes up as 180 Eur for the night we want to go but only if i search for 1 room with 1 person. If i search for 1 room with 2 people, it almost doubles.
The room is a Queen bed room which i would think would be ok for 2 people...
Can i book it as 1 person and have 2 people show up?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on August 08, 2011, 10:50:26 AM
So i know hotels in Europe work differently than in the US which is why im asking the question....

The Westin in Venice comes up as 180 Eur for the night we want to go but only if i search for 1 room with 1 person. If i search for 1 room with 2 people, it almost doubles.
The room is a Queen bed room which i would think would be ok for 2 people...
Can i book it as 1 person and have 2 people show up?
Just have 1 person checkin...
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yordai Dooma on August 12, 2011, 02:05:43 AM
we are landing in VCE at about 1 pm on monday and departing at 1pm on tuesday giving us exactly 24 hours...
Ive read through the thread- can someone give me 1 or 2 things that are must-sees while we are there?

Also, what is the best way to get back to get back to VCE and about what time would we have to leave the Westin to get there for our 1:35 pm flight (checking bags)?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on August 12, 2011, 03:02:58 AM
Lido has an interesting jewish cemetary, but not really a must, unless you are in vce a couple of days.

@David: you can theoretically visit the islands, and the highlights of venice in your time frame, but it depends, on the party you travel with and your endurance level.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yordai Dooma on August 12, 2011, 03:04:05 AM
Lido has an interesting jewish cemetary, but not really a must, unless you are in vce a couple of days.

@David: you can theoretically visit the islands, and the highlights of venice in your time frame, but it depends, on the party you travel with and your endurance level.

Thanks! any thoughts on getting back to the airport and how much time to leave?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on August 12, 2011, 07:40:56 AM
Thanks! any thoughts on getting back to the airport and how much time to leave?

That's something I'd typically inform at the hotel.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on August 12, 2011, 08:45:58 AM
we are landing in VCE at about 1 pm on monday and departing at 1pm on tuesday giving us exactly 24 hours...
Ive read through the thread- can someone give me 1 or 2 things that are must-sees while we are there?

Also, what is the best way to get back to get back to VCE and about what time would we have to leave the Westin to get there for our 1:35 pm flight (checking bags)?
piazza san marco, take a gondola ride around sunset time (80 euros), and jewish ghetto including tour of the shuls. between san marco and the ghetto take the water bus on the grand canal
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on August 12, 2011, 08:56:48 AM
The main thing is just to wander around and explore.
Frulala is very good.
If you don't want to spend 80+ Euro on a Gondola ride spend the 0.5 Euro on the Gondola that crosses the Grand Canal.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on August 12, 2011, 09:07:05 AM
The main thing is just to wander around and explore.
Frulala is very good.
If you don't want to spend 80+ Euro on a Gondola ride spend the 0.5 Euro on the Gondola that crosses the Grand Canal.

Don't repeat that please, its painful to hear...

Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on August 12, 2011, 09:11:18 AM
Don't repeat that please, its painful to hear...


Which part?

Anyway figure on it taking at least 2 hours from landing to get to the Westin and at least that much on the return as well.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on August 12, 2011, 09:30:07 AM
Which part?

Anyway figure on it taking at least 2 hours from landing to get to the Westin and at least that much on the return as well.

The part to travel to the other side of the world, with wife, flying first, and staying in fancy hotel, and saving on the wrong thing, imho.

People confirmed to me that those moments, (at sunset), in the gondola, with the guy/cantor singing, they will cherish forever.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on August 12, 2011, 09:33:38 AM
The part to travel to the other side of the world, with wife, flying first, and staying in fancy hotel, and saving on the wrong thing, imho.

People confirmed to me that those moments, (at sunset), in the gondola, with the guy/cantor singing, they will cherish forever.
I didn't say to be cheap.  All I said was if you are not going to spend the 80+EUR then at least spend the 0.5 EUR.

Anyway lav davka do you get a friendly singing gondolier.  From what I've read it's a major YMMV these days.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on August 12, 2011, 09:35:47 AM
I didn't say to be cheap.  All I said was if you are not going to spend the 80+EUR then at least spend the 0.5 EUR.

Anyway lav davka do you get a friendly singing gondolier.  From what I've read it's a major YMMV these days.

Did i mention friendly? :D

Its the the sound of the gold coins that gets through to them...
Title: Re: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: BAHayman on August 12, 2011, 09:40:42 AM
Anyway lav davka do you get a friendly singing gondolier.  From what I've read it's a major YMMV these days.

Our gondolier didn't sing :( he was friendly though...
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on August 12, 2011, 09:42:03 AM
Our gondolier didn't sing :( he was friendly though...

Just be happy you didn't get an unfriendly gondolier who didn't sing!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Mocha on August 12, 2011, 09:45:32 AM
I completely agree with Dan. You don't need to do activities in Venice, its the wandering around that's so nice. The two times that I've been there have been right after Purim, no crowds as it was still early in the season, and the weather is MAGNIFICENT there that time of year.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on August 12, 2011, 09:46:18 AM
Just flash some notes, in a modest way, but make sure he see it, all the rest works itself out naturally.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on August 12, 2011, 09:47:28 AM
I completely agree with Dan. You don't need to do activities in Venice, its the wandering around that's so nice. The two times that I've been there have been right after Purim, no crowds as it was still early in the season, and the weather is MAGNIFICENT there that time of year.

You dont have to do anything, but going with a wife, its supposed to be the climax of romance (whatever this means).
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on August 12, 2011, 09:49:32 AM
You dont have to do anything, but going with a wife, its supposed to be the climax of romance (whatever this means).
Just walking around Venice and crossing its bridges is romantic. 
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on August 12, 2011, 09:54:21 AM
Just walking around Venice and crossing its bridges is romantic. 


was talking about climax.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on August 12, 2011, 11:11:03 AM
it might be nice to walk around, but if someone is there for 24 hours, and doesnt go to st marks or the ghetto, and doesnt go on a gondola, its a shame.
to just wander around is great - if you had more time
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Mocha on August 12, 2011, 11:14:10 AM
it might be nice to walk around, but if someone is there for 24 hours, and doesnt go to st marks or the ghetto, and doesnt go on a gondola, its a shame.
to just wander around is great - if you had more time
By wandering around, I (and I believe I speak for Dan as well) intended on obviously wandering to St Marks and the Ghetto. I was basically saying that walking around (albeit you also walk to the places you mentioned) is all that is needed to have a wonderful Venice experience.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on August 12, 2011, 11:15:40 AM
By wandering around I (and I believe I speak for Dan as well) intended on obvious wandering to St Marks and the Ghetto. I was basically saying that walking around (albeit you also walk to the places you mentioned) is all that is needed to have a wonderful Venice experience.
+1
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on August 12, 2011, 11:37:20 AM
+1

-1 = 0
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Hudi on August 12, 2011, 12:41:36 PM
If we plan on visiting venice during the week and not over a shabbos is it worth it to spend the extra starpoints on the Danieli over the Westin? From Dan's trip report it seems that Shabbos was the only negative of the Danileli.

Trip Advisor rates the Westin better, is that reliable? although they both didn't make it to the top 100...
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Mocha on August 12, 2011, 12:43:16 PM
I wouldn't waist the points..especially being that people are happier with the Westin.. Dan stayed at the Westin and gave an awesome review of it
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: ChAiM'l on August 12, 2011, 02:20:48 PM
I wouldn't waist the points.

Yeah, I would rather shoulder them...
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yordai Dooma on August 12, 2011, 03:47:43 PM
Thanks everyone for their ideas.

And a special thanks to SF for fixing our tickets this AM from 6-8AM CST after i had been up all night on hold with CO
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on August 13, 2011, 08:32:57 PM
@ David: you're welcome.
The only condition is that you enjoy yourself iy"H.
Have a safe trip.

Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on August 13, 2011, 09:09:36 PM
-1 = 0
-1 = -1
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yordai Dooma on August 15, 2011, 02:57:33 PM
I dont know if this was discussed in the thread but figured i would give a heads up.

When you change money (and perhaps this happens elsewhere as well), the "change places" all over the place at times take a large commission.
I was at the airport in VCE this AM and when changing money i gasped at the amount she was giving me. She quickly said, oh i can give you X amount instead (a larger amount).

The better (or worse) story was when i changed money at a place called "Best and Fast Change" on a street called Rio Terra which is around the corner from Gam Gam. I didnt realize this until after i walked away. I gave her $200, the rate was 1.4936. I should have gotten €133.90. Instead i got €99.40. This was after they took €7.90 service charge and 19.90%!!!

I got back to the Westin and showed it to the concierge. They were amazed. They said $200 at today's rate would have yielded €133.60.
Boy do i feel dumb for throwing $50 out the window.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on August 15, 2011, 02:58:20 PM
Why not just use ATMs?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yordai Dooma on August 15, 2011, 02:59:40 PM
Why not just use ATMs?
I had alot of cash already. I figured id get a better rate that way. I think i figured wrong...
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on August 15, 2011, 03:02:40 PM
I figured id get a better rate that way.
Never.
I always use ATMs when traveling (when I cant use a CC) and get the best possible rates.
How come you're traveling with so much cash anyway? 
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on August 15, 2011, 03:23:52 PM
Never.
I always use ATMs when traveling (when I cant use a CC) and get the best possible rates.
How come you're traveling with so much cash anyway? 
never say never
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on August 15, 2011, 03:43:42 PM
never say never
Sorry, 99.9%.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on August 15, 2011, 04:01:55 PM
What I do sometimes is change by chabad, and in the hefty commission I offer them, I have my donation included.

I always carry cash, I've had already the luck of multiple cc's failing me at the wrong time...

@ David: forget about the $50, think you could have spend it on some other shtus. just enjoy your holidays !!!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Mocha on August 15, 2011, 09:04:21 PM
Yes you definitely figured wrong. Banks for the most part will give you the best rate. Some banks will even waive the foreign ATM fee (i.e. Charles Schwab). Eitherway I like putting whatever I can on credit card, for security as well as convenience. And to what superflyer said that he has had cc fail on him, almost all companies have intl collect numbers so resolving an issue takes a 5 minute phone call. Its a good idea to call your credit card company before you fly and let them make a notation that you'll be travelling so they don't flag any charges as suspicious.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on August 15, 2011, 09:58:44 PM
Yes you definitely figured wrong. Banks for the most part will give you the best rate. Some banks will even waive the foreign ATM fee (i.e. Charles Schwab). Eitherway I like putting whatever I can on credit card, for security as well as convenience. And to what superflyer said that he has had cc fail on him, almost all companies have intl collect numbers so resolving an issue takes a 5 minute phone call. Its a good idea to call your credit card company before you fly and let them make a notation that you'll be travelling so they don't flag any charges as suspicious.
+1
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on August 16, 2011, 01:17:03 AM
im in a place right now, where the change places give you exactly what the rate is on xe, yet the atms all have a $5 surcharge, so changing cash is a better bet.
it depends on each location. a good way to figure out the best method is by researching tripadvisor prior
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on August 16, 2011, 01:43:02 AM
A general tip to know if a rate is good, when you don't have a place to compare (xe, and such), is to look whether they have a fee for changing, then look at those (typically in red illuminated numbers like on a calculator), and look how far the buy and sell price are one from another.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: elikay on August 16, 2011, 01:52:58 AM
Yup ATM is the way to go and a fee free card such as CS.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on August 16, 2011, 02:17:36 AM
im in a place right now, where the change places give you exactly what the rate is on xe, yet the atms all have a $5 surcharge, so changing cash is a better bet.
it depends on each location. a good way to figure out the best method is by researching tripadvisor prior
There are banks that reimburse the surcharge charged by other banks.
Besides with an ATM you don't need to make yourself a target by shlepping around $$$$.  Just take out what you need as you need it.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on August 16, 2011, 02:28:13 AM
I changed before I left
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on August 16, 2011, 09:41:16 AM
I changed before I left
shkoyach, quite easy to get euros in israel
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Chaikel on August 16, 2011, 01:51:04 PM
shkoyach, quite easy to get euros in israel
They cant be had in an american bank?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on August 17, 2011, 01:44:40 AM
they can, but thai baht aint easy to change in j-lem
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on September 18, 2011, 08:05:06 PM
Is it worth it to stop in Venice from a Thursday afternoon to an early Sunday morning?   If not I'll just spend a longer trip at my next stop... Nice...
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: steve L on September 18, 2011, 08:45:17 PM
Is it worth it to stop in Venice from a Thursday afternoon to an early Sunday morning?   If not I'll just spend a longer trip at my next stop... Nice...
yes i think it is enough unless you want to go to alot of art mueseums. it also depends what time of the year you are going in
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on September 18, 2011, 09:19:16 PM
Definitely plenty of time to enjoy Venice.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Avid Reader on September 18, 2011, 10:13:55 PM
@sky121 Definitely worth the stop. My whole Venice trip was from Friday afternoon till Monday evening, and it was great.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on September 18, 2011, 10:19:15 PM
Thanks guys! I am def going to try to make this happen then! Short and sweet!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on September 19, 2011, 01:36:25 AM
Will be in Venice for two days not shabbos and booked the westin on cash and points. Then I found hotel principe which seems to be expensive usually about five hundred USD a night for 254 a night. It is right near Jewish ghetto. Was wondering which reservation to keep? 
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on September 19, 2011, 01:39:54 AM
Westin C&P IMHO.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on September 19, 2011, 01:51:04 AM
Westin C&P IMHO.
Forgot to add that any cash spent is being sponsored but points will be coming out of my account. Still the westin Dan?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: chuchem on September 19, 2011, 05:58:30 AM
Dan will always go for the free option ;-)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on September 19, 2011, 08:39:24 AM
Dan will always go for the free option ;-)
Free is hard to beat!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: aussiebochur on September 19, 2011, 08:40:29 AM
Free is hard to beat!
They could pay you.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on September 19, 2011, 08:45:24 AM
They could pay you.
That's what W HKG did for me to stay in their USD$6,000/night Marvellous Suite.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: myb821 on October 09, 2011, 11:40:28 PM
would people recommend landing in venice at 1140pm thurs night or 130 pm fri afternoon
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on October 10, 2011, 03:22:34 AM
I'm not so much for traveling on fridays, but if you do, are you flying from/via a place where you could spend shabbos?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: myb821 on October 10, 2011, 08:25:28 AM
I don't like traveling fridays either but I think getting into venice at 1140 might make it a little difficult to get to the hotel if I don't want to spend 100 euro on a water taxi. I would be flying direct from copenhagen. The other option is to fly from cph to either zurich or frankfure thurs night stay in an airport hotel there and then take like a 7 am flight fri morning that lands in vce like 8 or 9
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: steve L on October 10, 2011, 12:00:34 PM
i used the private water taxi and i know its expensive but highly worth it due to the hassle of other option. i took train into venice so only needed in once to leave venice prob wouldnt have paid for it twice
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Mocha on October 10, 2011, 12:09:45 PM
i used the private water taxi and i know its expensive but highly worth it due to the hassle of other option. i took train into venice so only needed in once to leave venice prob wouldnt have paid for it twice
If by other options you mean the water bus I would disagree with you..it really is not a hassle in any sense of the word and actually adds to the venice experience. Especially being that you were coming from the train station and not the airport. The water bus stops right in front of the station..but whatever floats your boat (ha ha get it?)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: steve L on October 10, 2011, 12:17:00 PM
If by other options you mean the water bus I would disagree with you..it really is not a hassle in any sense of the wor and actually adds o the venice experience. Especially being that you were coming from the train station and not the airport. The water bus stops right in front of the station..but whatever floats your boat (ha ha get it?)

from the train station i agree it was easy . i was refering from the hotel back to the airport is where i think its worth to get water taxi
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Mocha on October 10, 2011, 12:22:12 PM
from the train station i agree it was easy . i was refering from the hotel back to the airport is where i think its worth to get water taxi


Worth it is very relative. I personally would not pay close to $130 so that I save myself the extra 20-30 min, water busses are going all the time and the bus from piazzalle roma is like 20 min. But yes it is definitely more convenient, especially if your with a kid.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on October 10, 2011, 12:26:27 PM
With a kid I would take the water taxi from VCE without any doubt.

I think it was worth saving the $100 as a couple, but it was a shlep carrying suitcases up and down the bridges.  Definitely not feasible with kids and suitcases IMHO.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: myb821 on October 10, 2011, 12:28:19 PM
With a kid I would take the water taxi from VCE without any doubt.

I think it was worth saving the $100 as a couple, but it was a shlep carrying suitcases up and down the bridges.  Definitely not feasible with kids and suitcases IMHO.
what about if ur landing in venice at 11:40 at night? which if these 3 options would u reccomend
would people recommend landing in venice at 1140pm thurs night or 130 pm fri afternoon
. The other option is to fly from cph to either zurich or frankfurr thurs night stay in an airport hotel there and then take like a 7 am flight fri morning that lands in vce like 8 or 9
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on October 10, 2011, 12:31:11 PM
what about if ur landing in venice at 11:40 at night? which if these 3 options would u reccomend. The other option is to fly from cph to either zurich or frankfurr thurs night stay in an airport hotel there and then take like a 7 am flight fri morning that lands in vce like 8 or 9

Whens the last water bus?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: myb821 on October 10, 2011, 12:33:12 PM
I don't even know. Guess I should probably look into that. Oops
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Mocha on October 10, 2011, 12:36:10 PM
I don't even know. Guess I should probably look into that. Oops
I believe the main routes are 24/7. But even the other ones run way past 12.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: myb821 on October 10, 2011, 12:41:15 PM
I just need to decide which flights to choose
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Mocha on October 10, 2011, 12:45:23 PM
I just need to decide which flights to choose
Arriving late thursday night in venice is not bad at all I did it and i'm sure there are many other people here that did it too. Coming in friday morning will be a pain as shabbos is getting earlier, you will have less time to do and see things IMHO.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on October 10, 2011, 12:53:11 PM
Arriving late thursday night in venice is not bad at all I did it and i'm sure there are many other people here that did it too. Coming in friday morning will be a pain as shabbos is getting earlier, you will have less time to do and see things IMHO.
+1.
As long as there's a water bus, then why not?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: myb821 on October 10, 2011, 04:34:02 PM
the water busses are the alilaguna's right
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: myb821 on October 10, 2011, 04:37:56 PM
and it looks like the last waterbus leaves at 1205 at least according to thie time table http://www.alilaguna.it/lineablu-eng.html so landing at 1140 is cutting it close
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on October 10, 2011, 04:44:02 PM
and it looks like the last waterbus leaves at 1205 at least according to thie time table http://www.alilaguna.it/lineablu-eng.html so landing at 1140 is cutting it close
Definitely very tight.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: myb821 on October 10, 2011, 04:47:31 PM
Definitely very tight.
i am really not sure what to do.i dont particularly want to stay overnight for like 6 hours in zurich or frankfurt also dont rly want to pay 100euro for a water taxi but traveling on friday is really risky
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: myb821 on October 10, 2011, 04:50:13 PM
just gonna have to cut our time in copenhagen a bit short nothing we can do
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on October 10, 2011, 04:54:29 PM
and it looks like the last waterbus leaves at 1205 at least according to thie time table http://www.alilaguna.it/lineablu-eng.html so landing at 1140 is cutting it close

ATVO bus (http://www.atvo.it/images_doc/linee/Linea_35_(dal_1.09_al_29.10.2011).pdf) to Piazza'le Roma (parking lot of Venice, across the grand canal from the train station), last one at 12:20.

There's also this timetable (http://www.actv.it/pdf/urbano/U-5.pdf) for the ACTV bus number/route 5 (http://www.actv.it/pdf/piante_automobilistico/5-UM.pdf), seems to be  later bus at 1:10am.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: myb821 on October 10, 2011, 04:56:58 PM
ATVO bus (http://www.atvo.it/images_doc/linee/Linea_35_(dal_1.09_al_29.10.2011).pdf) to Piazza'le Roma (parking lot of Venice, across the grand canal from the train station), last one at 12:20.

There's also this timetable (http://www.actv.it/pdf/urbano/U-5.pdf) for the ACTV bus number/route 5 (http://www.actv.it/pdf/piante_automobilistico/5-UM.pdf), seems to be  later bus at 1:10am.
interesting
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on October 10, 2011, 04:57:22 PM
ATVO bus (http://www.atvo.it/images_doc/linee/Linea_35_(dal_1.09_al_29.10.2011).pdf) to Piazza'le Roma (parking lot of Venice, across the grand canal from the train station), last one at 12:20.
That should probably allow enough time.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Mocha on October 10, 2011, 04:58:54 PM
interesting
your looking at the wrong schedule in regard to the water busses..the routes for route 1 and 2 is what I was referring to and they go way beyond midnight I believe. So take a regular bus to piazzalle roma as Asher O said and then take the 1 or 2 which stops right there...
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on October 10, 2011, 05:06:10 PM
your looking at the wrong schedule in regard to the water busses..the routes for route 1 and 2 is what I was referring to and they go way beyond midnight I believe. So take a regular bus to piazzalle roma as Asher O said and then take the 1 or 2 which stops right there...

According to this time-table (http://www.alilaguna.it/lineaarancio-eng.html) the water-buses don't seem to run all night. Can you please link to the 'correct' one?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Mocha on October 10, 2011, 05:08:22 PM
http://www.actv.it/en/movinginvenice/waterbusservicestimetable
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on October 10, 2011, 05:12:59 PM
http://www.actv.it/en/movinginvenice/waterbusservicestimetable

Right, and which lines are you looking at? According to the map (http://www.actv.it/pdf/navigazione/Mappa_linee.pdf), Lines 1/2 don't go to the airport.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on October 10, 2011, 05:14:48 PM
Right, and which lines are you looking at? According to the map (http://www.actv.it/pdf/navigazione/Mappa_linee.pdf), Lines 1/2 don't go to the airport.
He's saying to do what you said.  Bus to P. Le Roma and waterbus from there to San Marco.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Mocha on October 10, 2011, 05:15:42 PM
Right, and which lines are you looking at? According to the map (http://www.actv.it/pdf/navigazione/Mappa_linee.pdf), Lines 1/2 don't go to the airport.
Firstly I was wrong its not 24 hrs but what I did the two times I was there was take a regular wheeled bus into the city and then a water bus to get around within the city.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on October 10, 2011, 05:16:46 PM
He's saying to do what you said.  Bus to P. Le Roma and waterbus from there to San Marco.

Either these people can't write, or I can't read... At least one of the two ;)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Mocha on October 10, 2011, 05:31:11 PM
Either these people can't write, or I can't read... At least one of the two ;)
Im not sure where your getting lost. The city of Venice incorporates more then just the small "islands" where tourists flock, it also includes a part of the mainland (where the airport is located). Now to get to the main island you can either take a water bus, water taxi, or you could take a regular bus that goes voom voom with wheels and that will take you to the only spot on the island that cars can be which is at the beginning and called Piazzale Roma. Now once you are there you can take the water bus to any other place you need to go.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on October 10, 2011, 05:32:45 PM
Im not sure where your getting lost. The city of Venice incorporates more then just the small "islands" where tourists flock, it also includes a part of the mainland (where the airport is located). Now to get to the main island you can either take a water bus, water taxi, or you could take a regular bus that goes voom voom with wheels and that will take you to the only spot on the island that cars can be which is at the beginning and called Piazzale Roma. Now once you are there you can take the water bus to any other place you need to go.
He knows that.  You implied the water bus from the airport runs 24/7 here:
Whens the last water bus?
I don't even know. Guess I should probably look into that. Oops
I believe the main routes are 24/7. But even the other ones run way past 12.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Mocha on October 10, 2011, 05:36:04 PM
Ok now I'm confused  :o... but it's ok as long as everyone has the info they need now.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on October 10, 2011, 05:40:34 PM
Im not sure where your getting lost. The city of Venice incorporates more then just the small "islands" where tourists flock, it also includes a part of the mainland (where the airport is located). Now to get to the main island you can either take a water bus, water taxi, or you could take a regular bus that goes voom voom with wheels and that will take you to the only spot on the island that cars can be which is at the beginning and called Piazzale Roma. Now once you are there you can take the water bus to any other place you need to go.

Funny to see you lecturing me on the city of Venice.

Ok now I'm confused  :o... but it's ok as long as everyone has the info they need now.

+1
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on October 21, 2011, 05:09:07 AM
Am I crazy if I want to go to Venice next week? Is it too cold to go this time of year, or is it worth going?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on October 22, 2011, 02:53:29 PM
No, I think mid-summer is too hot, and especially in the little side streets where the water doesn't move, smelly fumes come up.

It might be chilly, but hey, you can take sharper pix this way.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on October 22, 2011, 09:34:13 PM
No, I think mid-summer is too hot, and especially in the little side streets where the water doesn't move, smelly fumes come up.

It might be chilly, but hey, you can take sharper pix this way.

Compared to NYC Venice wasn't cold at all and (besides for Carnivale) it was much less crowded all winter IME.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on October 23, 2011, 01:35:00 AM
Not sure if it sounded like it, but I wanted to say that bottom line it wasn't a bad idea.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: yare on December 22, 2011, 02:23:52 PM
hey, we'll be going to venice in a month for two days, along with a 7 month old infant (i know the stroller thing is supposed to be a major pita),     has anyone been to venice in the middle of the winter?  anything in particular we should check out?    i assume we'll do murano one day.     for the 2nd day i heard that there's another island to go to which makes all kinds of beautiful fabrics and stuff but i'm not sure if we wanna spend both days running around.      do the trips to the island ending being an all day thing?     any suggestions/comments appreciated.  thanks.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Mocha on December 22, 2011, 02:28:27 PM
hey, we'll be going to venice in a month for two days, along with a 7 month old infant (i know the stroller thing is supposed to be a major pita),     has anyone been to venice in the middle of the winter?  anything in particular we should check out?    i assume we'll do murano one day.     for the 2nd day i heard that there's another island to go to which makes all kinds of beautiful fabrics and stuff but i'm not sure if we wanna spend both days running around.      do the trips to the island ending being an all day thing?     any suggestions/comments appreciated.  thanks.
Read the thread. Plenty of very useful information.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: yare on December 22, 2011, 03:50:38 PM
Read the thread. Plenty of very useful information.
very useful suggestion, thank you.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on December 28, 2011, 12:10:46 AM
hey, we'll be going to venice in a month for two days, along with a 7 month old infant (i know the stroller thing is supposed to be a major pita),     has anyone been to venice in the middle of the winter?  anything in particular we should check out?    i assume we'll do murano one day.     for the 2nd day i heard that there's another island to go to which makes all kinds of beautiful fabrics and stuff but i'm not sure if we wanna spend both days running around.      do the trips to the island ending being an all day thing?     any suggestions/comments appreciated.  thanks.
You should do murano and the lace island together actually. The lace island is called burano and is near murano. Murano is a half hour boat ride from Venice and burano is in same direction just further. That said I didn't care for the lace but rather for the color of the houses there which are really funky.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: mguy on December 28, 2011, 03:58:22 PM
Someone asked me about the Frulala, so am adding it to the thread in case it's helpful for anyone else...

There are at least two Frulala locations in Venice. As far as I know, only one of them is owned by a shomer shabbos. It's at Cannaregio, 5620. You'll see mezuzas prominently displayed.

I happened to pass it and noticed the owner in a yarmulka, He showed me which of the drinks have just fruit, and said I should stay away from the others (where the base has other ingredients - yogurt perhaps).
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on December 28, 2011, 06:26:47 PM
I'm not the lace type of guy, but it was insanely cheap before haggling.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 28, 2011, 06:36:21 PM
i didnt see too much lace in burano, and what i did see looked like the made in china variety
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on December 28, 2011, 06:37:41 PM
i didnt see too much lace in burano, and what i did see looked like the made in china variety

For all you know, it was MIC.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on December 28, 2011, 07:01:22 PM
thats what im saying...
the stores geared to tourists are probably made in china
but im sure if you dig deep enough youll find the real mccoy
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on December 28, 2011, 07:25:03 PM
It was the real deal, got it confirmed.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: yare on December 28, 2011, 07:28:33 PM
Someone asked me about the Frulala...
what is it?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: yare on December 28, 2011, 07:28:53 PM
I'm not the lace type of guy, but it was insanely cheap before haggling.
any particular stores in burano/murano i should be looking out for?  or are they all pretty much the same?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on December 28, 2011, 07:30:33 PM
what is it?

A Smoothie bar in Venice.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on December 28, 2011, 07:35:33 PM
I went to the end of the main street on the left side.

I didn't go into every store.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on December 28, 2011, 10:01:53 PM
any particular stores in burano/murano i should be looking out for?  or are they all pretty much the same?
Just explore and enjoy. Don't plan out every step yup take or you will miss the whole experience.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Avid Reader on December 30, 2011, 07:22:36 AM
hey, we'll be going to venice in a month for two days, along with a 7 month old infant (i know the stroller thing is supposed to be a major pita),     has anyone been to venice in the middle of the winter?  anything in particular we should check out?    i assume we'll do murano one day.     for the 2nd day i heard that there's another island to go to which makes all kinds of beautiful fabrics and stuff but i'm not sure if we wanna spend both days running around.      do the trips to the island ending being an all day thing?     any suggestions/comments appreciated.  thanks.

I was in Venice last February and the weather was comfortable, in the lower 40's IIRC.
As far as a stroller, Forum member Yungerman was there at the same time as me with two kids. You might want to check out what he did here: http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=1573.msg61642#msg61642
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: yare on January 03, 2012, 06:49:39 AM
in terms of food...  it seems everyone relies on the chabad in venice.    what about the chief rabbi?  there's a couple places under his hashgacha , balthazar and teva, do those who only eat glatt (not beit yosef) rely on him?

also, about how far is gam gam and the bakery from the westin europa and regina?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MnM1130 on January 03, 2012, 06:54:58 AM
in terms of food...  it seems everyone relies on the chabad in venice.    what about the chief rabbi?  there's a couple places under his hashgacha , balthazar and teva, do those who only eat glatt (not beit yosef) rely on him?

also, about how far is gam gam and the bakery from the westin europa and regina?
cant answer u about rabbi stuff... but i can answer u about the distance. If your walking it can turn out to be a 3 hour walk like it was for us... but it can normally take up to an hour. If you go by water bus it would only take about an 1/2 hour cus u wont get lost- but can turn out to be 45 mnts depending on wait time... so if you dont get lost while walking there it can take the same amount of time to walk or take a water bus. Now if u take water taxi that can take 5 mnts... but lots of cash. good luck!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on January 03, 2012, 11:00:24 AM
What I say might clash against the hyatt/spg/etc attitude on the forum, but as in a place such as Venice, the hotel is used strictly for sleeping (as opposed to some resort where you use more facilities), I took lower level hotels, close to gam gam, and loved it.

I've been multiple times to venice btw.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on January 03, 2012, 11:01:30 AM
Disagree.
12,000 points for a view of the grand canal from your room? Can't beat that!
And the walk from the Westin to the Ghetto is simply marvelous, the best shabbos walk anywhere.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Mocha on January 03, 2012, 11:02:24 AM
What I say might clash against the hyatt/spg/etc attitude on the forum, but as in a place such as Venice, the hotel is used strictly for sleeping (as opposed to some resort where you use more facilities), I took lower level hotels, close to gam gam, and loved it.

I've been multiple times to venice btw.
+1
Although I loved walking around Venice, it was nice knowing after a long meal Friday night that I did not have to walk for an hour. Plus back and forth Shabbos day Mincha and then Maariv.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on January 03, 2012, 11:04:17 AM
walk for an hour.
It can be done if half that time if you're not trying to roam around and have fun exploring.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on January 03, 2012, 12:00:00 PM
So = not having fun.

Especially if you have a kid with you.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MnM1130 on January 03, 2012, 12:05:53 PM
honestly.. i wud have liked to stay closer to the jewish quarter for shabbos... but in general the westin was a gr8 place to be other than shabbos... it was very central for touring around venice... but our shabbos wasnt so much fun... (took us 3 hours to get to gam gam after a CRAZY friday, we were starving and had a baby who wasnt very happy)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: steve L on January 03, 2012, 12:11:39 PM
honestly.. i wud have liked to stay closer to the jewish quarter for shabbos... but in general the westin was a gr8 place to be other than shabbos... it was very central for touring around venice... but our shabbos wasnt so much fun... (took us 3 hours to get to gam gam after a CRAZY friday, we were starving and had a baby who wasnt very happy)
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i fully agree with this i also had a kid with me but it wasnt so much the walk but the heat in the summer was unbearable plus hundreds of ppl trying to cram gam gam
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: yare on January 03, 2012, 12:55:49 PM
since we're not gonna be there for shabbos and there won't be any heat, hopefully we won't have the issues you guys mention.    though if the roads have snow on them that might make it rough...                       does gam gam get busy during the week?  do i need to make reservations early on?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on January 03, 2012, 12:56:20 PM
True, when I went in May we didn't yet have a kid, the weather was 70 degrees and perfect, and Gam Gam was not crowded at all.
Truly the perfect time to go.

But even with a kid, I don't see how it could take 3 hours to find the place!  Bring a map if you have a bad sense of direction...
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: myb821 on January 03, 2012, 01:03:42 PM
Looking for recommendations after reading this.me and my wife are going at the end of june beginning of july just us no thursday top monday i got two nights cash and points and two night free nights at 16k a night so total is 41600 points and 180 dollars would people regimen instead selling points and getting hotel closer to gam gam
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AJK on January 03, 2012, 01:03:55 PM
And the walk from the Westin to the Ghetto is simply marvelous, the best shabbos walk anywhere.

Better than down Champs-Élysées?  :o
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MnM1130 on January 03, 2012, 01:08:55 PM
True, when I went in May we didn't yet have a kid, the weather was 70 degrees and perfect, and Gam Gam was not crowded at all.
Truly the perfect time to go.

But even with a kid, I don't see how it could take 3 hours to find the place!  Bring a map if you have a bad sense of direction...
long story short...we didnt have a good map. and we were EXHAUSTED!!! but it was all fun.. not sure though that many pple wud handle what we did!!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Mocha on January 03, 2012, 01:12:24 PM
does gam gam get busy during the week?  do i need to make reservations early on?
Don't think you'll have a problem as its not high-season
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on January 03, 2012, 01:13:03 PM
Better than down Champs-Élysées?  :o
Yes.

long story short...we didnt have a good map. and we were EXHAUSTED!!! but it was all fun.. not sure though that many pple wud handle what we did!!
Bring a better map and google walking instructions next time.  Either way I didn't find it so hard to find, but YMMV.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AJK on January 03, 2012, 01:15:05 PM
Yes.

Must be some walk.

I've never enjoyed a walk more than I did my Friday night walk from Chabad to PHP.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on January 03, 2012, 01:20:02 PM
Must be some walk.

I've never enjoyed a walk more than I did my Friday night walk from Chabad to PHP.
PHP to Chabad was our most enjoyable walk until our walk to the Kotel on Shavuos night 3 days later, which was our most enjoyable walk until walking the canals of venice 3 days after that...
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on January 03, 2012, 03:01:24 PM
we went with a kid for shabbos so it was a no brainer to stay near the ghetto.
stayed at a place called Ai Mori d'Oriente  and had a great time
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MnM1130 on January 03, 2012, 03:18:03 PM
Bring a better map and google walking instructions next time.  Either way I didn't find it so hard to find, but YMMV.

i googled walking instructions.. thats what screwed us up!!!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on January 03, 2012, 04:07:57 PM
A good map will beat google, but having both is best
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Avid Reader on January 03, 2012, 08:19:21 PM
Don't think you'll have a problem as its not high-season
+ 1. It wasn't very busy during the week in Feb. last year. At 6-7 pm it was busier, but still no need to reserve.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SPGCont on January 04, 2012, 06:43:38 PM
Anyone been to Venice in past couple months (winter)?

Does Gam Gam still have a pizza place?

Anyone know the hours of Gam Gam during the winter?

Do they or don't they accept credit cards?

Also, can someone please elaborate on the smoothie place - frulala? Where is it? Hours? Are only some things kosher?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Avid Reader on January 04, 2012, 08:14:51 PM

Does Gam Gam still have a pizza place?

Anyone know the hours of Gam Gam during the winter?


GAM GAM info:
Quote from: JewishVenice.org
Sunday-Thursday: 12:00pm - 10:30pm
Friday: 12:00pm - two hours before Shabbat
Saturday Night - open after Shabbat

reservations@jewishvenice.org
Phone: ++(39) 041.523.1495 Fax ++(39) 041.528.0906

Address: 1122 Cannaregio, Venice (Main entrance of the Ghetto by the Guglie Bridge)

Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SPGCont on January 04, 2012, 08:16:46 PM
GAM GAM info:

Thanks!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: mguy on January 05, 2012, 05:07:42 AM
Anyone been to Venice in past couple months (winter)?

Does Gam Gam still have a pizza place?

Anyone know the hours of Gam Gam during the winter?

Do they or don't they accept credit cards?

Also, can someone please elaborate on the smoothie place - frulala? Where is it? Hours? Are only some things kosher?

Thanks!

I was at Gam Gam in the summer and they were not accepting credit cards. However it appeared to be a temporary issue - a broken credit card machine. 

I noted frulala info earlier in the thread (can't link it now - on mobile).
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MnM1130 on January 05, 2012, 05:16:04 AM
i ate at gam gam and used a cc- but that was last yr...
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MLM on January 10, 2012, 10:45:41 PM
Looking to spend 2 full days in Venice in late March.

Anyone stay in both the Danieli Hotel and Westin Europa? Is the Danieli far nicer and worth the extra cash/points?

Also, what is the best way to get from the train station/airport to the hotel?


Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MnM1130 on January 11, 2012, 04:15:55 AM
Looking to spend 2 full days in Venice in late March.

Anyone stay in both the Danieli Hotel and Westin Europa? Is the Danieli far nicer and worth the extra cash/points?

Also, what is the best way to get from the train station/airport to the hotel?



i dont believe its worth the extra points to stay in the danieli... if you wanna waste more points jsut get an upgraded room in the westin. I found it to be really nice and clean and extra roomy in my room. Very friendly service and i had a pleasant time.
i dont believe the train station is in the same place as the airport (anyone correct me if im wrong) but from the train station u can just take a water bus straight to st marks square and walk 5 mnts to the hotel, or water taxi ($$$$$). and from the airport there are 2 options- the public transportation- its a public water bus- has times when it leaves and wtvr... or a water taxi- which i took- didnt want to cus it was 100 euro, but had no choice.. BUT best thing i did!!! it took me straight to the hotel- which is gr8 when traveling with luggage and a child. And best part is with my sense of direction i wudda totally gotten lost- and thats not fun when u just get to the island to get lost with loads of luggage (we continued to america for 3 months after) tired, and a kvetchy tired baby... so theres ur options pretty much... and anyone else is welcome to add!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Avid Reader on January 11, 2012, 05:11:48 AM
The train station is deffitnitly not near the airport, and not near S marks sq. But it is a short 5 minute walk from the train the to Gheto, GAM GAM and the Chabad house.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on January 11, 2012, 07:07:15 AM
@avid: we know all about this. ;)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Avid Reader on January 11, 2012, 11:26:04 AM
@avid: we know all about this. ;)
Yup :)

Came in very handy with just a few hours to Shabbos.
Title: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MLM on January 11, 2012, 11:57:52 AM
Thanks for all the info! In terms of location is there any advantage of the danieli over Westin?

Also when doing cash and points do they charge in dollars or euro and at what exchange rate?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MnM1130 on January 11, 2012, 01:09:19 PM
Thanks for all the info! In terms of location is there any advantage of the danieli over Westin?

Also when doing cash and points do they charge in dollars or euro and at what exchange rate?
their right near eachother... and no idea about ur second answer- but i wud imagine in dollars...
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: mguy on January 11, 2012, 01:50:59 PM
Also when doing cash and points do they charge in dollars or euro and at what exchange rate?

I just did a Cash & Points at another foreign SPG hotel and they charged it to the card at the front desk in local currency. Don't know about the exchange rate.

However, the person at reception commented (unrelated to Cash & Points) that whenever swiping certain cards, the credit card device gives them the option to charge in dollars instead (and she mentioned SPG Amex as an example of one that does not generate that prompt).
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on January 11, 2012, 01:58:56 PM
the credit card device gives them the option to charge in dollars instead
Never, ever do that.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Saver2000 on January 11, 2012, 02:02:54 PM
Never, ever do that.

Why not? Wouldn't it help avoid foreign exchange fee?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on January 11, 2012, 02:40:05 PM
Why not? Wouldn't it help avoid foreign exchange fee?

They convert to dollars for you at a lousy rate.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Mocha on January 11, 2012, 02:45:55 PM
They convert to dollars for you at a lousy rate.
Not necessarily. If they tell you the dollar amount being charged it may not be so bad if you have a CC that charges for fx. (had this in Eilat for a tour to Petra and the $ charge was far better than the NIS+FX fee)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on January 11, 2012, 02:48:29 PM
Every store I went to has always tried to rip me off by charging horrible dollar rates.  Sometimes they don't even ask and just charge you the dollar rate as they make a killing off of it.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on January 11, 2012, 02:50:27 PM
their right near eachother... and no idea about ur second answer- but i wud imagine in dollars...
Not true.  The Danieli is right on the square and is more convenient than the Westin for access to public transportation.  Still not worth the extra points IMHO.
The Danieli is not recommended for shabbos.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MnM1130 on January 11, 2012, 03:14:14 PM
Not true.  The Danieli is right on the square and is more convenient than the Westin for access to public transportation.  Still not worth the extra points IMHO.
The Danieli is not recommended for shabbos.
ya pretty close by... about a 5 mnt walk. but def the convenience of not walkin over to many canals to get to the hotel. cept i wouldnt spend the extra points just for that...
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on January 11, 2012, 03:15:25 PM
ya pretty close by... about a 5 mnt walk. but def the convenience of not walkin over to many canals to get to the hotel. cept i wouldnt spend the extra points just for that...
5 minute walk, but 2 or 3 canal staircases with luggage and kids ain't easy.  Of course if you take a taxi to/from the airport that's moot.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on January 11, 2012, 04:12:42 PM
when avis in israel charges in dollars, they charge at the exchange rate
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: yare on January 11, 2012, 06:07:18 PM
do the taxis take cc?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on January 25, 2012, 06:05:48 PM
when avis in israel charges in dollars, they charge at the exchange rate

+1
Title: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MLM on February 01, 2012, 11:16:25 AM
I will be going to Venice for 3 days. I am reserved at the westin Europa and danieli using cash and points. I have SPG Plat so I will get amenities. Not sure which to go with?

But...

Does anyone know of any better options where I can get for $200/ nt?
Title: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MLM on February 01, 2012, 03:39:24 PM
Anyone know what the quickest train from Rome to Venice is?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on February 01, 2012, 03:47:11 PM
Took it years ago, but its probably well over 5-6 hours.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Mocha on February 01, 2012, 03:47:54 PM
Took it years ago, but its probably well over 5-6 hours.
They made a new fast one thats 3 hrs and 50 min
http://www.italiarail.com/
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MLM on February 01, 2012, 08:54:49 PM
Thanks!

Which stop should I put in for Venice? Venezia St Lucia? I will be staying at the Westin Europa probably.

Also if I am staying at the St. Regis in Rome should I depart Roma Termini?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Mocha on February 01, 2012, 08:59:18 PM
Which stop should I put in for Venice? Venezia St Lucia?
Yes
Also if I am staying at the St. Regis in Rome should I depart Roma Termini?
Yes
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Ed on February 01, 2012, 09:54:29 PM
Anyone know what the quickest train from Rome to Venice is?

May want to consider European budget airlines (easyjet/ryanair) for such a trip.
Title: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MLM on February 01, 2012, 10:10:25 PM
Train is only 3.5 hours I think it will be faster and easier with luggage
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Mocha on February 01, 2012, 10:14:51 PM
Train is only 3.5 hours I think it will be faster and easier with luggage
+1
Flights arrive to FCO which is a 20-30 min 30 Euro cab ride and the train brings you right into the heart of the citi.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Ed on February 02, 2012, 12:24:01 AM
It is faster and easier but I have had an experience on this route (without luggage) where flying was considerably much cheaper then taking the train. I also found that flying Ryanair out of Venice-Treviso Airport was not nearly as big a hassle as I thought it would be, very easy with the bus. When taking the train you may want to consider stopping in Florence, one of my favorite city's in Europe, and one of the nicest shuls you will ever see.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Mocha on February 02, 2012, 01:04:53 AM
+1
Flights arrive to FCO which is a 20-30 min 30 Euro cab ride and the train brings you right into the heart of the *citi.
*City  :-[
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on February 02, 2012, 01:12:17 AM
All of the above is correct, however, you might have flights out of the regular vce as well.

From termini there used to be hop on/off buses if you are into them.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MLM on February 02, 2012, 04:35:06 PM
Just wanted to run this by everyone before I confirm.

I land in FCO Sunday  at 11:45 AM spend the night at the Intercontinental Rome (or St. Regis)  then not sure should I

1) Leave Monday night by train at 7:45 PM to Venice or

2) Leave Tuesday morning at 10:20 am to Venice by train

3) Leave Tues night and spend 2 days in Rome and 2 nights 1 day in Venice

We leave Venice on Thursday at 12:45 PM

Thanks!!!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Mocha on February 02, 2012, 05:15:24 PM
Just wanted to run this by everyone before I confirm.

I land in FCO Sunday  at 11:45 AM spend the night at the Intercontinental Rome (or St. Regis)  then not sure should I

1) Leave Monday night by train at 7:45 PM to Venice or

2) Leave Tuesday morning at 10:20 am to Venice by train

3) Leave Tues night and spend 2 days in Rome and 2 nights 1 day in Venice

We leave Venice on Thursday at 12:45 PM

Thanks!!!
I would go with option 3. Venice can easily be done in a day, while Rome cannot. I would decide between a tue night train and a wed morning train with the deciding factor being which hotel (Rome/Venice) is cheaper.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: U-no-me! on February 02, 2012, 05:45:06 PM
Just wanted to run this by everyone before I confirm.

I land in FCO Sunday  at 11:45 AM spend the night at the Intercontinental Rome (or St. Regis)  then not sure should I

1) Leave Monday night by train at 7:45 PM to Venice or

2) Leave Tuesday morning at 10:20 am to Venice by train

3) Leave Tues night and spend 2 days in Rome and 2 nights 1 day in Venice

We leave Venice on Thursday at 12:45 PM

Thanks!!!

IMO option 1 is the best. Rome can be done in 1 day. Venice is way more beautiful, you are going to want to have time to visit all the islands.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: yare on February 02, 2012, 05:52:05 PM
IMO option 1 is the best. Rome can be done in 1 day. Venice is way more beautiful, you are going to want to have time to visit all the islands.
islands are way overrated...  spend the extra day in rome and skip them.     just walk around venice for the day... the walk b/w the europa/regina and the jewish ghetto will give you a good feel for the "streets" of venice.  on the way you can stop at the rialto, take a gondola ride if you wanna splurge, enjoy the grand canal, take in the sights.   
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: U-no-me! on February 02, 2012, 05:58:10 PM
islands are way overrated...  spend the extra day in rome and skip them.     just walk around venice for the day... the walk b/w the europa/regina and the jewish ghetto will give you a good feel for the "streets" of venice.  on the way you can stop at the rialto, take a gondola ride if you wanna splurge, enjoy the grand canal, take in the sights.

Not much to do in rome. On the other hand the Venice Murano (glass blowing) island is very interesting (not to be missed) as is burano and lido. Also deff worth to take tour of shuls in the venice ghetto.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on February 02, 2012, 05:59:32 PM
rome CANNOT be done in 1 day. you got it all backwards
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: U-no-me! on February 02, 2012, 06:08:31 PM
rome CANNOT be done in 1 day. you got it all backwards

To each their own.... "A Crooked person will see his crookedness as straight"  :P
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Mocha on February 02, 2012, 06:10:20 PM
u-no-me you must've not had a clue of what is "supposed" to be seen in Rome. There is no way it can be done in a day. As mentioned before the islands in Venice are  overrated and it becomes all the same thing very quickly. Don't get me wrong I absolutely LOVE Venice there is nothing like it in the world, but a day and a half is plenty.

MLM do yourself a favor and do Sun, Mon and Tue in Rome and take a Tue night train to Venice...you will not regret it. Feel free to ask me anything regarding Rome..
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: U-no-me! on February 02, 2012, 06:11:40 PM
u-no-me you must've not had a clue of what is "supposed" to be seen in Rome. There is no way it can be done in a day. As mentioned before the islands in Venice are  overrated and it becomes all the same thing very quickly. Don't get me wrong I absolutely LOVE Venice there is nothing like it in the world, but a day and a half is plenty.

See Previous comment.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: U-no-me! on February 02, 2012, 06:14:27 PM
u-no-me you must've not had a clue of what is "supposed" to be seen in Rome. There is no way it can be done in a day. As mentioned before the islands in Venice are  overrated and it becomes all the same thing very quickly. Don't get me wrong I absolutely LOVE Venice there is nothing like it in the world, but a day and a half is plenty.

MLM do yourself a favor and do Sun, Mon and Tue in Rome and take a Tue night train to Venice...you will not regret it. Feel free to ask me anything regarding Rome..

If venice gets to much, go to the old historical city of Padua where the abarbanel among other giants are buried (just make sure to make appointment to visit cemetery in advance).
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on February 02, 2012, 08:57:55 PM
u-no-me you must've not had a clue of what is "supposed" to be seen in Rome. There is no way it can be done in a day. As mentioned before the islands in Venice are  overrated and it becomes all the same thing very quickly. Don't get me wrong I absolutely LOVE Venice there is nothing like it in the world, but a day and a half is plenty.

MLM do yourself a favor and do Sun, Mon and Tue in Rome and take a Tue night train to Venice...you will not regret it. Feel free to ask me anything regarding Rome..

+1  would highly recommend 2 days in Rome over Venice
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on February 03, 2012, 03:06:23 AM
I don't agree.

It depends with whom and how you travel.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on February 03, 2012, 06:03:53 AM
if hes going to just relax, then he should skip rome entirely. if however he would like to see what rome has to offer, one day is absolutely not enough. simple as that
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on February 03, 2012, 10:20:40 AM
Never did Rome, but I do love Venice.  I think you can spend a good 3 days on Venice and its islands and not get bored.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on February 03, 2012, 10:34:09 AM
Never did Rome, but I do love Venice.  I think you can spend a good 3 days on Venice and its islands and not get bored.

I got there erev shabbos and was bored by Monday
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Ed on February 03, 2012, 10:35:37 AM
I spent two days in Rome. 1 day focused on the Vatican stuff, and the next on the roman stuff (shul tour in the morning in Jewish Ghetto, near the kosher restaurants and not to far from the Roman Forum) and found that to be perfect, But then again I had rented a Vespa and therefor was able to get a lot in a short period of time. As for Venice we got in on Friday afternoon and by mid day Sunday we were already out of much to do, but still loved just roaming the streets of this magnificent city.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on February 03, 2012, 10:37:46 AM
I got there erev shabbos and was bored by Monday
Well that would be 3 days...

I spent two days in Rome. 1 day focused on the Vatican stuff, and the next on the roman stuff (shul tour in the morning in Jewish Ghetto, near the kosher restaurants and not to far from the Roman Forum) and found that to be perfect, But then again I had rented a Vespa and therefor was able to get a lot in a short period of time. As for Venice we got in on Friday afternoon and by mid day Sunday we were already out of much to do, but still loved just roaming the streets of this magnificent city.
Did you go to Murano or the other islands?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MLM on February 03, 2012, 10:41:28 AM
They made a new fast one thats 3 hrs and 50 min
http://www.italiarail.com/

Looking online if I pre purchase tickets it would be $79 for 2 people. Does anyone know what it costs if I buy them at the station. Its just I am not exactly sure which train I will want to take.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Mocha on February 03, 2012, 10:42:26 AM
Did you go to Murano or the other islands?
I did, and i would still recommend more time in Rome. I guess each to their own.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on February 03, 2012, 10:46:11 AM
I did, and i would still recommend more time in Rome. I guess each to their own.
Like I said I haven't done Rome so I don't have a qualified opinion on the matter.  But it seems hard to imagine being bored on Venice for the first time in less than 72 hours (we were there for about 70 hours and loved it)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on February 03, 2012, 10:50:40 AM
To be exact we were bored at about the 65 hour point. Actually left earlier than we were expecting which ended up working out well as we went to over of the most beautiful places I have ever been
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Ed on February 03, 2012, 10:51:24 AM
No it was Sunday and they were closed. We were a bunch of 20yo guys and were told we wouldn't enjoy them anyway. After my trip this is how i classify the cites, at least in a single guys perspective:

Rome- Lots of fun, Much to do/see
Florance- Very laid back, Not that much to do but so beautiful/chilled. Great nightlife
Pisa- Go only to be yoitzeh your leaning tower picture, nothing else to do need 3 hours max
Modena/Maranello (Ferrari/Lambo/Maserati factories)- Coolest place If you can get into the factories
Milan- Lots of shopping, not much else (overrated kosher food)
Venice- Very pretty/different/romantic with not that much to do. Perfect place to spend shabbos (Gamgam!!)

Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on February 04, 2012, 02:27:38 PM
@ed: that explains it.

Venice is not the type of place to go with 20 guys.

I get the picture of the nightlife and maserati now
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on February 04, 2012, 05:18:23 PM
Pisa- Go only to be yoitzeh your leaning tower picture, nothing else to do need 3 hours max
and climb it
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on February 04, 2012, 05:45:06 PM
and climb it

That unfortunately didn't wasn't possible a few years back when i went :( 
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on February 04, 2012, 06:38:35 PM
it was in 2008
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on February 04, 2012, 07:02:10 PM
That unfortunately didn't wasn't possible a few years back when i went :( 
it was in 2008

Was before
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on February 04, 2012, 07:41:59 PM
@ed: that explains it.

Venice is not the type of place to go with 20 guys.

I get the picture of the nightlife and maserati now
Exactly, Venice is a beautiful romantic destination, not really what 20 year olds are after.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Ed on February 04, 2012, 09:03:21 PM
@ed: that explains it.

Venice is not the type of place to go with 20 guys.

I get the picture of the nightlife and maserati now

To clarify by nightlife I didn't mean bars/clubs (I keep it kosher), I meant walking the cobblestone streets/piazzas which are quite lively at night. Definitely doable and even recommendable to do with the wife.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on February 05, 2012, 05:13:43 AM
@ed: I didn't think of nightlife the bad way.

At some 60 yards from my place there a little market place which fills up on the weekends, and often friday night I will stroll there after the meal.
It has a holiday atmosphere.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: jj1000 on April 03, 2012, 12:24:47 PM
Anyone know about parking outside of Venice, where and what the rates are. I am driving there for the second days of pessach...
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on April 03, 2012, 12:28:58 PM
Anyone know about parking outside of Venice, where and what the rates are. I am driving there for the second days of pessach...

You just drive as close as you can, and leave the car there.

After pessach you just call the cops, and they will tell you exactly where it is located.

It might work out cheaper than paying for a parking.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: jj1000 on April 03, 2012, 12:54:56 PM
You just drive as close as you can, and leave the car there.

After pessach you just call the cops, and they will tell you exactly where it is located.

It might work out cheaper than paying for a parking.
For real? What about in the next town over or something? How much is towing? Have you done that before?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on April 03, 2012, 01:06:20 PM
For real? What about in the next town over or something? How much is towing? Have you done that before?
I guess off airport locations must be cheaper.

Using a disabled card might help.
Title: Re: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on April 03, 2012, 01:22:41 PM
Anyone know about parking outside of Venice, where and what the rates are. I am driving there for the second days of pessach...
There is a website where you can pay in advance and get slightly cheaper rates
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: jj1000 on April 03, 2012, 01:28:18 PM
There is a website where you can pay in advance and get slightly cheaper rates
Link? please.
Title: Re: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on April 03, 2012, 01:33:30 PM
Link? please.
http://Veniceconnected.com/node/1492
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: jj1000 on April 03, 2012, 03:05:06 PM
http://Veniceconnected.com/node/1492
Thanks but it seems like the airport is still far cheaper. I saw somewhere its only 4.50euro a day... as appose to 24euro a day. So I will just do airport parking.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on April 03, 2012, 10:06:11 PM
Anyone know about parking outside of Venice, where and what the rates are. I am driving there for the second days of pessach...

Definitely park at one of the lots in Mestre and take the train to Venice train station, don't park after crossing the bridge (Paiazza'le Roma or Tronchetto), Mestre wil be cheaper.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: aj26 on April 10, 2012, 11:43:35 AM
Has anyone eaten Shabbos here.
It looks like a nice alternative for the crowded Gam Gam in the summer months
Kosher House Giardino dei Melograni
http://www.pardesrimonim.net/

Also, has anyone tried any of these other resturantsw
http://www.kosherinvenice.com/kosher.html
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: bentch on April 10, 2012, 02:52:06 PM
its very nice...ate there last month. a lot quieter and is the place where Venice residents eat so you'll be able to meet some locals (both shabbos and during the week).
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: aj26 on April 11, 2012, 07:55:19 PM
Venice residents eat out for shabbos- at $200 for a shabbos for 2, that seems pretty expensive for a local
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: jj1000 on April 12, 2012, 08:14:29 AM
Anybody else in Venice for the second days of chag?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on April 12, 2012, 10:15:11 AM
Venice residents eat out for shabbos- at $200 for a shabbos for 2, that seems pretty expensive for a local

I believe locals don't pay.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: E on April 12, 2012, 01:48:56 PM
Need hotel for this Sunday and Monday night in Venice what are people booking now that west in is catagory 6?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on April 15, 2012, 11:14:26 PM
When I was in venice we stayed at hotel principe even though westin was avail on cash and points and was only a five. Was worth it cause its right near the jewish area and all the food. We booked it with dhr and was half the regular price.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MnM1130 on April 16, 2012, 05:44:16 AM
When I was in venice we stayed at hotel principe even though westin was avail on cash and points and was only a five. Was worth it cause its right near the jewish area and all the food. We booked it with dhr and was half the regular price.
when was this? and whats dhr? still looking for a hotel and their really pricey...
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on April 16, 2012, 05:49:43 AM
when was this? and whats dhr? still looking for a hotel and their really pricey...

Preferably a place that can lend a kosher-gps (same idea as kosher-lamp, ie for shabbos use).
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MnM1130 on April 16, 2012, 05:52:09 AM
Preferably a place that can lend a kosher-gps (same idea as kosher-lamp, ie for shabbos use).
HA.. funny... they call them maps-which i didnt have really...
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: jj1000 on April 16, 2012, 08:54:51 AM
I got free parking Thursday to Sunday at san giuliano and took a ferry over for 7 euro... Supposedly cops never go there and ticket for sure not over weekends. Either way the main parking lot they're it's only 5 euro a day.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on April 16, 2012, 09:44:20 AM
when was this? and whats dhr? still looking for a hotel and their really pricey...
Dhr is a booking company, just like say Hotels.com. They can book you hotels in Venice and as it happens they had prices on Hotel Principe which is half what anyone else was charging for the same hotel. It is a nice hotel in awesome location. I therefore cancelled my Westin reservation.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: E on April 16, 2012, 01:28:55 PM
ended up booking Hilton at $209 a night with my diamond status got an executive suite..
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on April 16, 2012, 02:07:52 PM
ended up booking Hilton at $209 a night with my diamond status got an executive suite..
sounds like an awesome deal. Where is the hilton located?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: E on April 16, 2012, 02:08:31 PM
sounds like an awesome deal. Where is the hilton located?
on its own little island but there is a free boat shuttle that runs between hotel and st marks
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on April 16, 2012, 03:48:24 PM
sounds cool! the price sounds like a great price as well
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MnM1130 on April 16, 2012, 04:47:35 PM
on its own little island but there is a free boat shuttle that runs between hotel and st marks
its right across from the westin- but shabbos there is a bit difficult for anyone looking to stay in venice on shabbos.. but looked really nice!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Tzadik Nistar on April 17, 2012, 01:13:19 AM
I"m thinking of travling in the summer to venice is it doable with 2 children a 2 1/2 yr. and a 16 mo.?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on April 17, 2012, 03:45:44 AM
I would, but not everyone would.

Summer I found the smells to come up from the canals in the smaller street.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: ChAiM'l on April 17, 2012, 12:28:35 PM
I"m thinking of travling in the summer to venice is it doable with 2 children a 2 1/2 yr. and a 16 mo.?

I did, and it is perfectly doable.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Mocha on April 17, 2012, 12:40:24 PM
I"m thinking of travling in the summer to venice is it doable with 2 children a 2 1/2 yr. and a 16 mo.?
Just don't overdo it. Venice is just as enjoyable while taking it slow. Just don't spend too much time there or you'll get bored. 2-3 days with the kids should be perfect IMHO.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MnM1130 on April 17, 2012, 03:54:06 PM
Hotel Carlton & Grand Canal - anyone every stay here? it seems its close to the jewish ghetto, and its the same price as Principe Hotel - but got better reviews... or Carlton Capri Hotel? seems its a bit cheaper...
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: aj26 on May 04, 2012, 12:55:57 PM
Does anyone know if the shul still requires a passport to get in on shabbos. Some say that a passport is mukztah. Do they take photocopies?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: jj1000 on May 04, 2012, 12:58:53 PM
Does anyone know if the shul still requires a passport to get in on shabbos. Some say that a passport is mukztah. Do they take photocopies?
When I was there pessach I got in just talking to the guard. But I look very Jewish... assuming you do too shouldn't be a problem. You can also meet someone from the community and have them vouch for you if your worried.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Bp on May 04, 2012, 01:49:00 PM
@aj26
When I was there 2 wks ago the guard let us in without ID under the condition that we stay until the end of davening. He also made it clear that this is not the chabad shul. The new rav there is pretty cool
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: jj1000 on May 04, 2012, 01:57:58 PM
@aj26
 The new rav there is pretty cool
+1 He is AWESOME!!!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dak613 on May 05, 2012, 11:26:46 PM
I am still unsure what to do for July 2012, when I understand that Venice will be incredibly hot.  I have reservation at the Westin for spg points and at the Boscolo Dei Dogi for $300 per night. I would rather not spend $$$, but am concerned about the distance to Jewish ghetto on  shabbos from San Marco, and Eruv issue. Recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
Also, I hear that Chabad could be very busy at Gam Gam and that it is worthwhile to pay in advance to eat in museum.......comments???
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on May 06, 2012, 01:20:33 AM
+1 He is AWESOME!!!

Please tell me more? Does the new Rav get along with the Chabad community?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: jj1000 on May 06, 2012, 01:40:31 AM
Please tell me more? Does the new Rav get along with the Chabad community?
They invited chabad for moshiach seudah. It was very nice with everyone singing nigunim, The rabbi spoke very well, he is young and charismatic. Then Rami also spoke, it was just a very nice experience. So yes it seemed to me that he gets along with chabad.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on May 06, 2012, 02:21:39 AM
They invited chabad for moshiach seudah. It was very nice with everyone singing nigunim, The rabbi spoke very well, he is young and charismatic. Then Rami also spoke, it was just a very nice experience. So yes it seemed to me that he gets along with chabad.

Impressive, I didn't know the Italians do MS in the first place, don't remember that from Pesach 2005 (when I was there). I think it's about time they have a good Rabbi, and I think they could have a lot of synergies by working with Chabad.

I didn't realize you were there for Pesach, will we (please) merit a TR for your entire trip?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: jj1000 on May 06, 2012, 02:22:56 AM
Impressive, I didn't know the Italians do MS in the first place, don't remember that from Pesach 2005 (when I was there). I didn't realize you were there for Pesach, will we (please) merit a TR for your entire trip?
I am working on it. covers 10 countries so may take some time...
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on May 06, 2012, 02:25:19 AM
I am working on it. covers 10 countries so may take some time...

Right, I do remember you posting stuff about your Eastern European jaunts.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dak613 on May 06, 2012, 11:44:27 PM
Guys......how about some answers to my questions. Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Bp on May 07, 2012, 12:05:15 AM
@Dak613

if you can wait till tomorrow :P ill iy'h reply
(to tired now)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: jj1000 on May 07, 2012, 12:53:18 AM
Guys......how about some answers to my questions. Thanks in advance
Only advice I can give is that there is an eruv in the entire main island of Venice as long as you do not cross the grand canal.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on May 07, 2012, 08:49:13 AM
Only advice I can give is that there is an eruv in the entire main island of Venice as long as you do not cross the grand canal.
not quite
eruv:
http://www.ghetto.it/inc/eng_fotopopup.asp?foto=http://www.ghetto.it/imgs/eruv.jpg
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MnM1130 on May 07, 2012, 09:13:55 AM
not quite
eruv:
http://www.ghetto.it/inc/eng_fotopopup.asp?foto=http://www.ghetto.it/imgs/eruv.jpg

nice map!!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: jj1000 on May 07, 2012, 10:59:54 AM
not quite
eruv:
http://www.ghetto.it/inc/eng_fotopopup.asp?foto=http://www.ghetto.it/imgs/eruv.jpg

So why does that one small area not have an eruv? isn't it a naturally formed area by the canals? (This is just what I was told when I was there)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on May 07, 2012, 11:13:37 AM
idk
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on May 07, 2012, 02:44:07 PM
not quite
eruv:
http://www.ghetto.it/inc/eng_fotopopup.asp?foto=http://www.ghetto.it/imgs/eruv.jpg

+1

So why does that one small area not have an eruv? isn't it a naturally formed area by the canals? (This is just what I was told when I was there)

I can't answer your question, but when Rami heard me saying it like you did ("just don't cross the grand canal"), he corrected me and said it isn't so simple. Can't remember whether (or how) he explained it.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: jj1000 on May 08, 2012, 11:30:25 PM
I didn't realize you were there for Pesach, will we (please) merit a TR for your entire trip?
Done.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on May 08, 2012, 11:32:21 PM
Done.

Grazie mile!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: jj1000 on May 10, 2012, 04:45:23 PM
easily the coolest glasses store I have ever been to. http://www.micromegaottica.com/collection/main.php (you have to click a few times before you see all the pairs in a specific style...
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MnM1130 on May 10, 2012, 05:01:36 PM
easily the coolest glasses store I have ever been to. http://www.micromegaottica.com/collection/main.php (you have to click a few times before you see all the pairs in a specific style...
i saw that store in venice- it was so awesome....!!!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: jj1000 on May 10, 2012, 05:04:34 PM
i saw that store in venice- it was so awesome....!!!
I know!!! I wish I had $1k to spend on a pair or two of glasses.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: ChAiM'l on May 10, 2012, 07:42:23 PM
easily the coolest glasses store I have ever been to. http://www.micromegaottica.com/collection/main.php (you have to click a few times before you see all the pairs in a specific style...

That must be where Lipa gets his glasses...
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: myb821 on May 15, 2012, 10:54:47 AM
Not true.  The Danieli is right on the square and is more convenient than the Westin for access to public transportation.  Still not worth the extra points IMHO.
The Danieli is not recommended for shabbos.
why is the Danieli not recommended for shabbos
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MnM1130 on May 15, 2012, 10:55:36 AM
why is the Danieli not recommended for shabbos
has automatic doors- hard to get in and out.. and in my opinion- far from the ghetto
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: myb821 on May 15, 2012, 02:58:20 PM
anyone here have recommendation to stay somewhere other than the spg hotels?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MnM1130 on May 15, 2012, 05:23:06 PM
anyone here have recommendation to stay somewhere other than the spg hotels?
i pretty much did searching for hotels near the ghetto in 4 star hotels. they were in the 150-200$ range closer to the time of travel. just read reviews and you should be ok. and the marriott also- but u said it wasnt avail for ur dates... keep lukin out for that it may become avail!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: myb821 on May 15, 2012, 05:40:56 PM
i pretty much did searching for hotels near the ghetto in 4 star hotels. they were in the 150-200$ range closer to the time of travel. just read reviews and you should be ok. and the marriott also- but u said it wasnt avail for ur dates... keep lukin out for that it may become avail!
yea the marriott is totally sold out for two of the nights
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Traveler718 on May 18, 2012, 12:41:42 PM
My wife and I and 4-year-old are going to Eretz Yisroel for Shavuos. As a last-minute add-on, we've decided to spend 9 days in Italy on the way back - 2 in Florence, 3.5 in Venice (including Shabbos), and 2.5 in Rome. I have questions about each, but since this is the Venice forum -

With the 4-year-old we'd prefer to stay closer to GamGam than the SPG options. I've found a few VRBO options in the Jewish Ghetto area that look great, but nobody on this long thread (yes, I read every page) mentioned the possibility. Is there a reason why this is not a good plan? Any other hotels near Chabad that you can recommend?
Now that the other shul in town has a new Rav who seems to get good reviews, does this make any of the other food options in town recommended, or is GamGam still the only reliable option?
Other than getting lost, Rialto Bridge, St. Mark's square, Doge's Palace, Jewish Ghetto, and Murano/Burano, any other highly-recommended activities?
Also, anybody have any experience renting a car in another town (in this case Florence) and driving it to Venice (want to stop at Lamborghini factory on the way) and dropping it off in Venice, or will this be too complicated and it's better just to take the high-speed train?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Bp on May 18, 2012, 01:02:03 PM
My wife and I and 4-year-old are going to Eretz Yisroel for Shavuos. As a last-minute add-on, we've decided to spend 9 days in Italy on the way back - 2 in Florence, 3.5 in Venice (including Shabbos), and 2.5 in Rome. I have questions about each, but since this is the Venice forum -

With the 4-year-old we'd prefer to stay closer to GamGam than the SPG options. I've found a few VRBO options in the Jewish Ghetto area that look great, but nobody on this long thread (yes, I read every page) mentioned the possibility. Is there a reason why this is not a good plan? Any other hotels near Chabad that you can recommend?
Now that the other shul in town has a new Rav who seems to get good reviews, does this make any of the other food options in town recommended, or is GamGam still the only reliable option?
Other than getting lost, Rialto Bridge, St. Mark's square, Doge's Palace, Jewish Ghetto, and Murano/Burano, any other highly-recommended activities?
Also, anybody have any experience renting a car in another town (in this case Florence) and driving it to Venice (want to stop at Lamborghini factory on the way) and dropping it off in Venice, or will this be too complicated and it's better just to take the high-speed train?
did you see this (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=16464.msg229321;topicseen#new)?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Traveler718 on May 18, 2012, 03:17:29 PM
Very interesting, thanks. I hadn't seen that but will look into it. I believe my wife has 100K Thank You points from her sign-up bonus. Any answers to my other questions?

Also, don't know if this belongs here, but what is my best option for converting dollars to Euro at the best rate and without commissions? I know that AMEX Plat works, but currently I only have a canceled one for access to airport lounges. Any other cards I can use, and where do I find ATMs to withdraw from in Venice, Florence, and Rome, or do I just pay for everything with the card?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on May 18, 2012, 03:46:34 PM
Also, don't know if this belongs here, but what is my best option for converting dollars to Euro at the best rate and without commissions? I know that AMEX Plat works, but currently I only have a canceled one for access to airport lounges. Any other cards I can use, and where do I find ATMs to withdraw from in Venice, Florence, and Rome, or do I just pay for everything with the card?

Some Chase cards have no FX fees (e.g. Sapphire Preferred, BA, Hyatt etc.), but that only works for purchases. If you're exchanging cash, visit an Italian post office, their rates are very decent (or at least were a few years ago).
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on May 18, 2012, 03:56:15 PM
Plenty of ATM's around. Get pretty standard rates. Just take out a nice amount each time  to minimize fees
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Bp on May 18, 2012, 04:57:40 PM
Now that the other shul in town has a new Rav who seems to get good reviews, does this make any of the other food options in town recommended, or is GamGam still the only reliable option?
I would stick to GamGam,
Other than getting lost, Rialto Bridge, St. Mark's square, Doge's Palace, Jewish Ghetto, and Murano/Burano, any other highly-recommended activities?
I think you covered them all.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on May 18, 2012, 05:28:03 PM
Other than getting lost, Rialto Bridge, St. Mark's square, Doge's Palace, Jewish Ghetto, and Murano/Burano, any other highly-recommended activities?
I would add taking a gondola ride close to sunset but do not expect him to sing. Not cheap though.
Title: Re: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on May 18, 2012, 05:29:07 PM
I would add taking a gondola ride close to sunset but do not expect him to sing. Not cheap though.
With a four year old?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Traveler718 on May 18, 2012, 05:32:44 PM
Any possibility that Rami would have a daughter or know a reliable teenage girl in town who could babysit (for pay) for a few hours one night?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: jj1000 on May 18, 2012, 06:23:56 PM
Any possibility that Rami would have a daughter or know a reliable teenage girl in town who could babysit (for pay) for a few hours one night?
Ummm There are bochurim in smicha all year round I'm sure one of them are responsible. Just call him (he doesn't do email...)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Traveler718 on May 18, 2012, 06:33:24 PM
Got it, didn't mean to discriminate; I'd be happy to pay a bochur in smicha just as well. Will try to call Rami on Sunday. Another question - is there a mikvah in Venice? If not, is there anywhere that one can tovel in the - um - natural mikvahs all around?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: jj1000 on May 19, 2012, 09:45:43 PM
Got it, didn't mean to discriminate; I'd be happy to pay a bochur in smicha just as well. Will try to call Rami on Sunday. Another question - is there a mikvah in Venice? If not, is there anywhere that one can tovel in the - um - natural mikvahs all around?
There is a mikvah run by chabad.
Title: Re: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on May 19, 2012, 09:58:32 PM
With a four year old?
they are looking for a babysitter.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on May 19, 2012, 10:02:42 PM
they are looking for a babysitter.
Which was suggested after my comment
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on May 19, 2012, 10:24:35 PM
I would add taking a gondola ride close to sunset but do not expect him to sing. Not cheap though.
Or take the $0.50 gondola ride across the grand canal?
Not the same, but you can use the dough on a nice souvenir or something.

My wife and I and 4-year-old are going to Eretz Yisroel for Shavuos. As a last-minute add-on, we've decided to spend 9 days in Italy on the way back - 2 in Florence, 3.5 in Venice (including Shabbos), and 2.5 in Rome. I have questions about each, but since this is the Venice forum -

With the 4-year-old we'd prefer to stay closer to GamGam than the SPG options. I've found a few VRBO options in the Jewish Ghetto area that look great, but nobody on this long thread (yes, I read every page) mentioned the possibility. Is there a reason why this is not a good plan? Any other hotels near Chabad that you can recommend?
Personally we loved staying 25 minutes from Gam Gam at the Westin and just wandering the streets.
Though with a 4 year old that math changes.  As does the recent category change (5>6)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Traveler718 on May 22, 2012, 06:13:27 PM
Is there a problem wearing a yarmulke in Venice? Or Florence or Rome? I always travel with a baseball cap, but in these large tourist cities I wasn't always planning to wear it. But my wife is concerned, and also about our 4-year-old son. Are there any areas of these cities where a yarmulke would be unwise?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on May 22, 2012, 07:25:22 PM
Is there a problem wearing a yarmulke in Venice? Or Florence or Rome? I always travel with a baseball cap, but in these large tourist cities I wasn't always planning to wear it. But my wife is concerned, and also about our 4-year-old son. Are there any areas of these cities where a yarmulke would be unwise?

No problem whatsoever, be a proud Jew and wear your Kippah :)

P.s. beware of pickpockets in Italy (no relationship to your question about the Kippah)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Traveler718 on May 22, 2012, 07:30:11 PM
Thanks, I've read about pickpockets in the guidebooks, especially in the most crowded tourist areas. In practical terms, other than using a money belt under the shirt, what else would you recommend, and any specific areas to be careful of, or specific circumstances that should be warning signs?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on May 22, 2012, 07:39:03 PM
Thanks, I've read about pickpockets in the guidebooks, especially in the most crowded tourist areas. In practical terms, other than using a money belt under the shirt, what else would you recommend, and any specific areas to be careful of, or specific circumstances that should be warning signs?

Don't leave bags unattended, don't put your camera down, don't flash lots of cash, keep wallets in zippered poclets if possible, lock your valuables in the hotel-room safe, keep your hotel-room door locked etc. You don't need to be paranoid, but don't be careless or you'll be the pickpocket's prey.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on May 22, 2012, 07:39:39 PM
Thanks, I've read about pickpockets in the guidebooks, especially in the most crowded tourist areas. In practical terms, other than using a money belt under the shirt, what else would you recommend, and any specific areas to be careful of, or specific circumstances that should be warning signs?

Any touristic place is a hotbed for pickpockets, however in Italy, below Rome (far away from Venice) it gets really nasty.

There is the money belt under the shirt, there is a pouch under the shirt hanging around tour neck and if you just need it for some cash a regular belt with a zip on the inside, as well as a well, it looks like  a sock that goes up to the knee, but hasn't go a foot part, so it looks a little like a bandage, but its also a pouch, with limited space.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on May 22, 2012, 08:01:00 PM
Any touristic place is a hotbed for pickpockets, however in Italy, below Rome (far away from Venice) it gets really nasty.

The north can be pretty nasty too.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on May 23, 2012, 04:23:28 PM
i would wear a cap. no need for special attention
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on May 23, 2012, 04:24:08 PM
i would wear a cap. no need for special attention
In Venice?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on May 23, 2012, 04:24:53 PM
In Venice?

+1

I've been all over Venice lots of times with a Kippah (beard and Tzitzis hanging out too), never had the slightest issue once BH.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on May 23, 2012, 04:27:29 PM
+1

I've been all over Venice lots of times with a Kippah (beard and Tzitzis hanging out too), never had the slightest issue once BH.
The only place I've ever been where I've felt uncomfortable/unsafe in that garb was Paris.
In FRA/MUC I was proud of it :)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on May 23, 2012, 05:43:02 PM
why call unnecessary attention to yourself?

cap all the way
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on May 23, 2012, 05:50:48 PM
why call unnecessary attention to yourself?

cap all the way
-1000
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on May 23, 2012, 05:51:01 PM
why call unnecessary attention to yourself?

Jewish pride!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on May 23, 2012, 06:19:01 PM
Jewish pride!
whats the point
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on May 23, 2012, 11:04:28 PM
whats the point
the point is we should be proud of our heritage and not try to hide it. Not saying there is anything wrong with going incognito but I certainly get the point.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on May 24, 2012, 02:50:54 AM
you can be proud of your heritage without flaunting it.

however, i can understand that if ones big goal in life is kiruv, it would be important to be identifiable as a jew despite the consequences
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on May 24, 2012, 02:54:00 AM
you can be proud of your heritage without flaunting it.

however, i can understand that if ones big goal in life is kiruv, it would be important to be identifiable as a jew despite the consequences

I don't think there are any consequences, my default garb is such, and I'll consider changing it if walking around that way is risky, I don't think there's any risk at all in Venice (or anywhere in Italy for that case). Nothing to do with Kiruv.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on May 24, 2012, 03:10:22 AM
I don't think there are any consequences, my default garb is such, and I'll consider changing it if walking around that way is risky, I don't think there's any risk at all in Venice (or anywhere in Italy for that case). Nothing to do with Kiruv.
i think you will agree that being identifiable as a jew raises the risk. the risk might not be comparable to walking in harlem at 1am, however its riskier than had you not been identifiable as a jew.
and besides the whole risk thing, theres also people observing your every move to see how you act.
why put yourself in that position on a trip?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on May 24, 2012, 03:16:50 AM
i think you will agree that being identifiable as a jew raises the risk. the risk might not be comparable to walking in harlem at 1am, however its riskier than had you not been identifiable as a jew.

Using that logic I should wear a cap all the time.

and besides the whole risk thing, theres also people observing your every move to see how you act.
why put yourself in that position on a trip?

That's not the scope of this discussion, but in a nutshell, I still look just as Jewish if I put a baseball cap on.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on May 24, 2012, 09:09:43 AM
I don't think there are any consequences, my default garb is such, and I'll consider changing it if walking around that way is risky, I don't think there's any risk at all in Venice (or anywhere in Italy for that case). Nothing to do with Kiruv.
+1.
The yidden were redeemed once for not changing our garb in a strange land.  Why should I nispoel just because I am in an unfamiliar place?
Now if I was in Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Paris, or some other muslim cities I would reconsider based on actual safety precautions.  But in the vast majority of cities I've been to I haven't ever felt that I was putting myself at risk.

And while it's not based on mivtzoim (aka kiruv in the non-chabad world), there's no doubt that I do field questions based on my garb and I'm proud to do my part.

i think you will agree that being identifiable as a jew raises the risk. the risk might not be comparable to walking in harlem at 1am, however its riskier than had you not been identifiable as a jew.
and besides the whole risk thing, theres also people observing your every move to see how you act.
why put yourself in that position on a trip?
Then why ever dress as a jew? Where are you drawing the line?

And knowing that others may be observing me is a good thing IMHO.  Makes you always think twice.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on May 27, 2012, 06:33:07 PM
Then why ever dress as a jew? Where are you drawing the line?
outside the us
And knowing that others may be observing me is a good thing IMHO.  Makes you always think twice.
ill give you an example. i was flying a domestic qantas flight in business class. as a business class passenger, we were entitled to 2 hand bags per person. we had 3 tickets plus an infant. we had 5 handbags. smooth sailing, right?
however at the gate, the woman scanning the boarding passes told us that we had to check a bag since my daughter was unable to carry 2 bags (too heavy for her)
if i was identifiable as a jew i wouldnt have felt comfortable arguing the point for fear of nasty jew comments. being that i wasnt, i did make a big deal until the purser came off the plane to settle it
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on May 28, 2012, 07:18:03 PM
outside the usill give you an example. i was flying a domestic qantas flight in business class. as a business class passenger, we were entitled to 2 hand bags per person. we had 3 tickets plus an infant. we had 5 handbags. smooth sailing, right?
however at the gate, the woman scanning the boarding passes told us that we had to check a bag since my daughter was unable to carry 2 bags (too heavy for her)
if i was identifiable as a jew i wouldnt have felt comfortable arguing the point for fear of nasty jew comments. being that i wasnt, i did make a big deal until the purser came off the plane to settle it

I agree about this, and similar problems that arise at flights / hotels, over-bargaining, etc
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Hudi on June 03, 2012, 12:36:01 PM
Sorry to deviate from the Jewish pride thing for a moment. I have 5 free SPG nights booked at the Westin (5th night free) in July. I booked it right before they switched it to a cat 6. But I'm really not that excited about going in July due to the heat and the crowds. I'm sort of going just to take advantage of the Cat 5 rates.

2 questions:

- How bad is Venice in July?
- What are the chances the Westin will be downgraded to a Cat 5 again?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on June 03, 2012, 12:46:38 PM
Sorry to deviate from the Jewish pride thing for a moment. I have 5 free SPG nights booked at the Westin (5th night free) in July. I booked it right before they switched it to a cat 6. But I'm really not that excited about going in July due to the heat and the crowds. I'm sort of going just to take advantage of the Cat 5 rates.

2 questions:

- How bad is Venice in July?
- What are the chances the Westin will be downgraded to a Cat 5 again?
i went in august and heat didnt bother me
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: yare on June 03, 2012, 12:49:04 PM
you can be proud of your heritage without flaunting it.
there's a big difference b/w not "flaunting it" and hiding it. you're hiding.   

Then why ever dress as a jew? Where are you drawing the line?

And knowing that others may be observing me is a good thing IMHO.  Makes you always think twice.
+1

in terms of the whole bargaining/negotiating in public... ya, as a jew most of us obviously have a bit of a complex about it and always think people are thinking in their heads that you're a cheap jew, but at the end of the day anti-semites will be anti-semites regardless of what you do or don't do.   are you really gonna change the way you live and dress because you care what they think??
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on June 03, 2012, 12:54:26 PM
Sorry to deviate from the Jewish pride thing for a moment. I have 5 free SPG nights booked at the Westin (5th night free) in July. I booked it right before they switched it to a cat 6. But I'm really not that excited about going in July due to the heat and the crowds. I'm sort of going just to take advantage of the Cat 5 rates.

2 questions:

- How bad is Venice in July?
- What are the chances the Westin will be downgraded to a Cat 5 again?
The bigger question is what will you do for 5 days in Venice?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: aussiebochur on June 03, 2012, 01:01:41 PM
outside the us
You really gotta be careful in TLV, theryre the biggest haters of the Jews ;)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on June 03, 2012, 01:02:12 PM
there's a big difference b/w not "flaunting it" and hiding it. you're hiding.   
+1

in terms of the whole bargaining/negotiating in public... ya, as a jew most of us obviously have a bit of a complex about it and always think people are thinking in their heads that you're a cheap jew, but at the end of the day anti-semites will be anti-semites regardless of what you do or don't do.   are you really gonna change the way you live and dress because you care what they think??
i dont buy the whole be proud you are a jew so go to the mountaintops and shout.....we are in galus after all...
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on June 03, 2012, 01:02:29 PM
You really gotta be careful in TLV, theryre the biggest haters of the Jews ;)
i dont understand what you mean
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on June 03, 2012, 01:08:53 PM
Right, because dressing as a Jew does or just wearing yarmulkah/tzitzes=going to the mountaintops and shouting it out.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on June 03, 2012, 01:15:11 PM
Right, because dressing as a Jew does or just wearing yarmulkah/tzitzes=going to the mountaintops and shouting it out.
pretty much  :)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: aussiebochur on June 03, 2012, 01:26:21 PM
i dont understand what you mean
Then why ever dress as a jew? Where are you drawing the line?
outside the us
My comment was a joke ;)
You really gotta be careful in TLV, theryre the biggest haters of the Jews ;)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: ChAiM'l on June 03, 2012, 01:51:41 PM
- How bad is Venice in July?

I was there in June, and it was hot, but not unbearable. Just make sure to drink plenty of water.

The bigger question is what will you do for 5 days in Venice?

+1
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on June 03, 2012, 06:34:49 PM
My comment was a joke ;)
because in truth, tlv is probably the most jew friendly airport in the world
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Hudi on June 03, 2012, 10:05:15 PM
The bigger question is what will you do for 5 days in Venice?

Is 5 days really too long? C&P wasn't available so figured 5for4 was the next best deal.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on June 03, 2012, 10:18:44 PM
Is 5 days really too long? C&P wasn't available so figured 5for4 was the next best deal.
Best bet is to stay 3 nights and find someone else to sell the remaining 2 night to :D
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: jj1000 on June 03, 2012, 10:20:40 PM
Best bet is to stay 3 nights and find someone else to sell the remaining 2 night to :D
+1 or even just 2 nights and 2 half days
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Knaper_Chuchem on June 04, 2012, 05:39:30 PM
What's the most desirable and economical route from Bergamo/Orio al Serio Airport (BGY) to Venice on a Friday afternoon? 
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on June 05, 2012, 04:34:13 AM
What's the most desirable and economical route from Bergamo/Orio al Serio Airport (BGY) to Venice on a Friday afternoon? 

No feasible flight options (from what I can see), at best you can take a train, but on Friday afternoon, you might still be tight with Shabbos.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: myb821 on July 09, 2012, 11:40:51 AM
Has anyone eaten Shabbos here.
It looks like a nice alternative for the crowded Gam Gam in the summer months
Kosher House Giardino dei Melograni
http://www.pardesrimonim.net/

Also, has anyone tried any of these other resturantsw
http://www.kosherinvenice.com/kosher.html
its very nice...ate there last month. a lot quieter and is the place where Venice residents eat so you'll be able to meet some locals (both shabbos and during the week).
Are the restaurants under the chief rabbi considered good hashgacha and has anyone eaten at any of these places?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Finckmyster on July 16, 2012, 02:56:28 PM
Are the restaurants under the chief rabbi considered good hashgacha and has anyone eaten at any of these places?

By any chance did you also sleep there?

Wondering if Yes how was it?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: jj1000 on July 16, 2012, 02:58:17 PM
By any chance did you also sleep there?

Wondering if Yes how was it?
Sleep in the restaurants?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on July 16, 2012, 02:59:23 PM
I have heard recommendations not to eat there. Don't remember from whom
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Finckmyster on July 16, 2012, 03:12:25 PM
Sleep in the restaurants?

It's also a Hotel, with 14 Rooms Total and I have reservation in August
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: DrDanny on July 25, 2012, 02:45:53 AM
Has anyone ever stayed at the Bauer Palladio Hotel,
                                  
Is it Shabbos'able? walkable to gamgam? do you need to get on a boat to leave the hotel?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: DrDanny on July 27, 2012, 12:41:42 AM
Has anyone ever stayed at the Bauer Palladio Hotel,
                                  
Is it Shabbos'able? walkable to gamgam? do you need to get on a boat to leave the hotel?
Bump
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Cbs on August 13, 2012, 07:53:06 AM
When buying a train ticket to go from Rome to Venice, do u have to pre book online or can u just come to the station and buy ticket?  And if you pre pay online can it be used for any train that day?

Does this apply to all train tickets between Italy cities?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: myb821 on August 13, 2012, 08:03:06 AM
When buying a train ticket to go from Rome to Venice, do u have to pre book online or can u just come to the station and buy ticket?  And if you pre pay online can it be used for any train that day?

Does this apply to all train tickets between Italy cities?
buy in advance trust me although if u want u can just go to a travel agent in rome and it will cost a few euro more. It is a pain to buy it in the station
Title: Re: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Cbs on August 13, 2012, 08:14:41 AM
buy in advance trust me although if u want u can just go to a travel agent in rome and it will cost a few euro more. It is a pain to buy it in the station
I don't mind buying in advance. The only thing is that Idk the exact time I'm gonna take the train. So can I use the ticket for any time that day?
And advance you mean a few days or just online?
Title: Re: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: myb821 on August 13, 2012, 08:15:13 AM
I don't mind buying in advance. The only thing is that Idk the exact time I'm gonna take the train. So can I use the ticket for any time that day?
And advance you mean a few days or just online?
i mean a few days it is a pain to buy it in the station
Title: Re: Re: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Cbs on August 13, 2012, 08:19:22 AM
i mean a few days it is a pain to buy it in the station
But why a few days before? If I need a ticket for Thursday,  why can't I buy it online on Wednesday if its available and then just print the ticket?

Do you know if its a general ticket or if its for that specific time and day?
Title: Re: Re: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: myb821 on August 13, 2012, 08:20:53 AM
But why a few days before? If I need a ticket for Thursday,  why can't I buy it online on Wednesday if its available and then just print the ticket?

Do you know if its a general ticket or if its for that specific time and day?
you can thats fine it would be specific time i think. also they have different priced tickets if the "super economy" sells out you will end up spending like 10 -20 more euro per ticket
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Cbs on August 16, 2012, 02:42:19 AM
If I arrive in Venice by train at 5:30 am. What's there to do? Where to go?

I'm only getting a place to stay once I talk to the shliach. He said hell arrange something. So u can't check into any where that early.

Any ideas?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: DrDanny on August 16, 2012, 07:18:33 AM

If I arrive in Venice by train at 5:30 am. What's there to do? Where to go?

I'm only getting a place to stay once I talk to the shliach. He said hell arrange something. So u can't check into any where that early.

Any ideas?
Walk to the yeshiva put down your bags (and your head?)
Just reading this conversion, there is no reason to buy your ticket in advance unless a saver or super saver rate is available there are long lines for a ticket agent but they have easy to use kiosks that I bought from seconds before my train
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: myb821 on August 16, 2012, 07:25:24 AM
Walk to the yeshiva put down your bags (and your head?)
Just reading this conversion, there is no reason to buy your ticket in advance unless a saver or super saver rate is available there are long lines for a ticket agent but they have easy to use kiosks that I bought from seconds before my train
if you have a chip and pin card
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: DrDanny on August 16, 2012, 07:39:16 AM
Not in Italy
I used my amex platinum
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Cbs on August 16, 2012, 07:48:04 AM
Walk to the yeshiva put down your bags (and your head?)
Just reading this conversion, there is no reason to buy your ticket in advance unless a saver or super saver rate is available there are long lines for a ticket agent but they have easy to use kiosks that I bought from seconds before my train
I didn't think it would be open at 6 am.

About the train, I actually bought it online and while trying to put my CC in the page stopped so I refreshed and the price went up a few euro.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: DrDanny on August 16, 2012, 07:54:08 AM
I didn't think it would be open at 6 am.

About the train, I actually bought it online and while trying to put my CC in the page stopped so I refreshed and the price went up a few euro.
Somebody here learn't there (AsherO)
so pm him/or whoever
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: jj1000 on August 16, 2012, 10:40:07 AM
When I was there the mikva was open 24/7 and had a couch...
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: aj26 on August 19, 2012, 09:23:20 PM
OK so here are my thoughts on Venice
We booked our train tickets from Rome to Venice way in advance and got them for $30 for 2 people. I made the mistake of not buying an extra ticket for my baby which would have been worth it because the train was full so she had to sit on our lap for 4 hours. For an extra 12.50, it would have been worth it.
I was able to grab 3 nights on C&P at the westin before it became at cat6 so we stayed there. Got upgraded to a grand canal room which was gorgeous and right on the water. They gave us the first floor which was great for shabbos but if someone is staying there during the week, I would recommend trying to get a higher floor as the view is nicer. I can't vouch for any standard rooms as it seemed like nothing special if you didn't have a view of the grand canal.
Anyone staying at the westin- Read this !!!!- the 2 bus goes to San Marco-Train station-San Marco. There are multiple ports in San marco. In one direction, it takes you to zaccaria which is farther from the westin. The other direction takes you to the stop closer to the westin. Make sure you get on the 2 bus going towards Lido (down the grand canal). We went the wrong way and the ride was 45minutes, and another 45 minutes to get from the boat stop to the westin (with 3 bags and a stroller over 4 sets of stairs).
The highlight of venice for us was thursday night watching the orchestras and san marco square. We sat down and paid 30 euros for 2 cokes (9 + 6euor sittting fee) but I looked at it as 15euro concert and a free coke. You can stand in the back and watch for free though.
Friday we went to Murano. It was nice but not too exciting. All teh glasswork comes from the same factories and everyone basically sells the same stuff. There wasn't really anyone doing glass blowing in their shops.
Overall, I wasn't so impressed with the food situation in Venice. We went to Fleshig Gam Gam Thursday night and the meal was nice, good food and good service. If you want to sit by the water, you need a reservation (early). We went at 7 at were told nothing was available till 9. We were told some people reserve a day before.
Friday morning we went to try to find breakfast, but there wasnt much in the way of that. The bakery had some pastrys, but after 2 weeks of Pastrys for breakfast in Paris and Rome, we couldn't have any more. We ended up just getting pizza from milchig Gam Gam. It was ok, very thin crust. Also, there is not much in the way of cheese/snacks/ other stuff for kids to eat. Plan on eating a lot of pizza.
Also, San Marco is a 25 minute walk (45 minutes with stroller) from ghetto so you need to take food with you for lunch (unless you plan on coming back to the ghetto 3 times a day).
We had no intrest in waiting till 11 for Shabbos dinner at Gam Gam so we paid the 120 euros for shabbos meals at the kosher hotel. The food was good, atmosphere nice and the food presentation was also nice. You have your own table, nicely set with china. The only complaint was that service was a little slow but that was just because there were a lot of people and each plate was prepared individually, so it takes time. Well worth it for  a 5 course meal.
Ate there for Shabbos lunch also. Seuda Shilishis had in our hotel with some challah we bought before shabbos at the bakery. Gam Gam wouldn't sell us dips before 12pm on friday and we weren't going to stick around the ghetto all day waiting.
Motzei Shabbos went back to gam gam for pizza. Waited 45 minutes. They also would not sell anything besides pizza and drinks. After some begging, I got them to sell some bags of bamba for the plane ride for my daughter the next day. It seemed a little silly because people were just standing around inside the store but wouldn't sell me anything besides pizza.
Basically, come to Venice prepared with food or be prepared to eat a lot of pizza.
Overall, Shabbos was nice but I wouldn't stay outside of the ghetto again. Walking through venice, especially on shabbos is not a very shabbistic atmosphere. Your not wandering through quite streets but through store fronts and shopping streets. It's like walking through a mall on Shabbos, not the type of atmosphere I'm interested in. If you can find a hotel in the ghetto, it might be nicer.
August was hot, and there were tons of tourists. Really really really try to plan your trip in November when it's much cooler and less crowds. Hot weather + tourisits = lots of people with very little clothing. Not really the place for a frum jew in the summer.
Additionally, the stairs there are a nightmare with a stroller.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: DrDanny on August 19, 2012, 09:34:20 PM
I paid 150 and ate at gamgam in a private room in the art gallery
i felt the kosher hotel was more sephardic but each to his own
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Cbs on August 21, 2012, 07:18:03 PM
OK so here are my thoughts on Venice
We booked our train tickets from Rome to Venice way in advance and got them for $30 for 2 people. I made the mistake of not buying an extra ticket for my baby which would have been worth it because the train was full so she had to sit on our lap for 4 hours. For an extra 12.50, it would have been worth it.
good price. i paid 59 eur for a night train from rome to venice. in a 4 couchette cabin.. slept like a baby!

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The highlight of venice for us was thursday night watching the orchestras and san marco square. We sat down and paid 30 euros for 2 cokes (9 + 6euor sittting fee) but I looked at it as 15euro concert and a free coke. You can stand in the back and watch for free though.
i opted for the free watching the orchestra :) and ill say that one of the nicest places ive been to was that sqaure in the day time. and sitting by the water there watching the view! too bad i dont have pics cuz i went there on shabbos :(

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Friday we went to Murano. It was nice but not too exciting. All teh glasswork comes from the same factories and everyone basically sells the same stuff. There wasn't really anyone doing glass blowing in their shops.
i was there on friday as well. what time did you go? i saw one glass blowing as well - quite cool. but otherwise it was a decent nice island - like burano better.

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Overall, I wasn't so impressed with the food situation in Venice. We went to Fleshig Gam Gam Thursday night and the meal was nice, good food and good service. If you want to sit by the water, you need a reservation (early). We went at 7 at were told nothing was available till 9. We were told some people reserve a day before.
+1. i wasnt impressed with the food as well. the second meal started at 9:30 and i came to that one.
 
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We had no intrest in waiting till 11 for Shabbos dinner at Gam Gam so we paid the 120 euros for shabbos meals at the kosher hotel.
wasnt 11. it was 9:30 but it was packed and food wasnt amazing. though the atmosphere was incredible!

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Walking through venice, especially on shabbos is not a very shabbistic atmosphere. Your not wandering through quite streets but through store fronts and shopping streets. It's like walking through a mall on Shabbos, not the type of atmosphere I'm interested in. If you can find a hotel in the ghetto, it might be nicer.
i may have to disagree with you here. i thought the shabbos walk was really nice. and didnt really feel not shabbosdik, but i guess it depends on where ur coming from. Someone coming from israel may feel that way but ive been to so many places like that and worse on shabbos so i thought it was nice.

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August was hot, and there were tons of tourists. Really really really try to plan your trip in November when it's much cooler and less crowds. Hot weather + tourisits = lots of people with very little clothing. Not really the place for a frum jew in the summer.
iwas very hot, though rome was hotter. bring water with you everywhere. and i think you're exaggerating a bit about how not good it is for frum ppl in the summer. noone walks around in bathing suits there. its like any other place in europe in the summer.

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Additionally, the stairs there are a nightmare with a stroller.
im sure it is, but its nice that on some bridges they have rounded steps for the strollers and luggage.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yosers1 on September 03, 2012, 12:48:53 PM
Got back from trip to Italy (Venice, Florence, Rome) this past week.  I hope to post a full trip report with some pics later tonight.......(Lufthansa First Class is Awesome!!!!).
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AJK on September 03, 2012, 01:07:31 PM
Got back from trip to Italy (Venice, Florence, Rome) this past week.  I hope to post a full trip report with some pics later tonight.......(Lufthansa First Class is Awesome!!!!).

Guess I can wait for the TR, but which config did you fly? New one? or with separate bed?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yosers1 on September 03, 2012, 01:37:33 PM
It was the old 747-400. So My wife and I each had a seat and another seat which was made into a bed. We also lucked out that there was no one else in the upper deck so we basically had a private jet all to ourselves.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AJK on September 03, 2012, 01:44:58 PM
It was the old 747-400. So My wife and I each had a seat and another seat which was made into a bed. We also lucked out that there was no one else in the upper deck so we basically had a private jet all to ourselves.

So neither the new "A380 config" nor the seat+bed combo (new 747 config).

You had the old config but they used another seat for your bed?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yosers1 on September 03, 2012, 05:14:06 PM
LH introduced the new seat + bed combo on all their 747s. Only about ten of those are actually new. On all the other 747s, they convert a second seat into a bed so it's basically the same....just not "new."
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AJK on September 03, 2012, 05:33:50 PM
LH introduced the new seat + bed combo on all their 747s. Only about ten of those are actually new. On all the other 747s, they convert a second seat into a bed so it's basically the same....just not "new."

Incorrect AFAIK.

I believe LH has only configured 10 of their 744's with the new seat + bed combo. I believe the rest will be reconfigured with the "new F" configuration (ie not the seat+bed combo).
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Finckmyster on September 03, 2012, 08:36:30 PM
Just want to let anybody know about a great Hotel in Venice Jewish Ghetto, its name is Kosher House Giardino dei Melograni and I just stayed there for 120 Euro's a Night with beautiful view overlooking a Canal.

They serve Free Kosher breakfast but its not that great but over all it rocks

 

 
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on September 03, 2012, 08:43:37 PM
Just want to let anybody know about a great Hotel in Venice Jewish Ghetto, its name is Kosher House Giardino dei Melograni and I just stayed there for 120 Euro's a Night with beautiful view overlooking a Canal.

They serve Free Kosher breakfast but its not that great but over all it rocks

Nice. Do you have pics?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yosers1 on September 03, 2012, 09:08:46 PM
So here goes..

My wife and I decided to treat ourselves to a trip to Italy for our 5th Anniversary (on points of course). We used United miles to fly LH first class and we used spg points for hotels. The flight to Frankfurt was great. As I noted earlier, my wife and I had the whole upper deck to ourselves so it was very private and relaxing. We each had a seat and a another seat which was made into a bed for each of us. The kosher food on the plane there was quite good I thought. It was prepared by Bornsteins Catering which is certified by the OU. Our stop over in Frankfurt was pretty quick so we didn't have time to hear over to the First Class Terminal (made sure we had enough time on the way home) but the First Class Lounge in LH is very nice as well....almost had a minyan there of daveners but we were two short.

Once we got to the airport in Venice, we took the Alilaguna shuttle which cost 13 euros a person to our hotel. We stayed at Hotel Danieli which was a beautiful hotel. I didn't put too much faith in my spg gold status, but after some small talk and pleasantries, I got them to upgrade us to a premium deluxe room with a lagoon view ( a view og high demand and little supply in Venice). But at this point we only had the room for Thursday night, but the front desk said we would need to give up the room for Friday night and Sat. night). Luckily, when I went down on Friday morning, they said we could keep the room for the rest of the stay. Hotel Danieli does present some Shabbas issues, but nothing which can;t be circumvented. The entrance is revolving electrical door, but we just waited for others to step in and hopped in right behind them, causing no further movement of the door ( a solution suggested by many poskim). The key situation was more complicated as the only way to get into the room was by using a real key with a small light which lights up once you put the key in the door. We put all our valuables in the safe and left the door slightly open and had no problems. We ate at Gam Gam for Shabbas which was very very nice ( we also ate there thursday night and had excellent schwaurma).

Took a train on Sunday morning to Florence. We stayed at the St. Regis, and spg category 7 property. This hotel was incredible. We were immediately upgraded to a junior suite (which I later discovered went for 2000 euros a night). The room was beautiful along with a nice view overlooking the Arno River. Didn't have much time in Florence but we hit up the famous shul and took the short tour of the shul. We did all the famous art sites there and then hit up the leather markets the next morning. We then went to Rome. Rome def. came in third place out of the three cities. We stayed in the Westin Excelsior, a category 6 property. Wasn't too impressed with this hotel. It was very nice, but needs to be redone and many small things in the rooms need repair. (would have liked have stayed in the St. Regis in Rome but there was no availability for my dates). In rome we did the Jewish ghetto and and a segway tour of ancient rome which was pretty cool. The food situation in Rome is much better then other places in Italy, although it could be tricky with the whole glatt issue.

Coming home, I made sure to have a good 2.5 hour stop over in Frankfurt so we could check out the first class terminal. When we landed in Frankfurt, we did not have a gate position so my wife and I expected to squish into the shuttle taking everyone tot he terminal. As we got of the plane, however, there was a LH agent waiting for us with a sign for first class and our name. We hopped into a mercedes van which took us straight to Terminal A. From there we made our way to the First class terminal. It was great! great scotch, great baths and showers, our kosher meal was waiting for us, two LH rubber duckies, and of course the Mercedes S class ride directly to the place a few minutes before take off.....All in all, it was a great trip....I'm already saving and churning for the next one!
Title: Re: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on September 04, 2012, 02:43:05 AM
So here goes..

My wife and I decided to treat ourselves to a trip to Italy for our 5th Anniversary (on points of course). We used United miles to fly LH first class and we used spg points for hotels. The flight to Frankfurt was great. As I noted earlier, my wife and I had the whole upper deck to ourselves so it was very private and relaxing. We each had a seat and a another seat which was made into a bed for each of us. The kosher food on the plane there was quite good I thought. It was prepared by Bornsteins Catering which is certified by the OU. Our stop over in Frankfurt was pretty quick so we didn't have time to hear over to the First Class Terminal (made sure we had enough time on the way home) but the First Class Lounge in LH is very nice as well....almost had a minyan there of daveners but we were two short.

Once we got to the airport in Venice, we took the Alilaguna shuttle which cost 13 euros a person to our hotel. We stayed at Hotel Danieli which was a beautiful hotel. I didn't put too much faith in my spg gold status, but after some small talk and pleasantries, I got them to upgrade us to a premium deluxe room with a lagoon view ( a view og high demand and little supply in Venice). But at this point we only had the room for Thursday night, but the front desk said we would need to give up the room for Friday night and Sat. night). Luckily, when I went down on Friday morning, they said we could keep the room for the rest of the stay. Hotel Danieli does present some Shabbas issues, but nothing which can;t be circumvented. The entrance is revolving electrical door, but we just waited for others to step in and hopped in right behind them, causing no further movement of the door ( a solution suggested by many poskim). The key situation was more complicated as the only way to get into the room was by using a real key with a small light which lights up once you put the key in the door. We put all our valuables in the safe and left the door slightly open and had no problems. We ate at Gam Gam for Shabbas which was very very nice ( we also ate there thursday night and had excellent schwaurma).

Took a train on Sunday morning to Florence. We stayed at the St. Regis, and spg category 7 property. This hotel was incredible. We were immediately upgraded to a junior suite (which I later discovered went for 2000 euros a night). The room was beautiful along with a nice view overlooking the Arno River. Didn't have much time in Florence but we hit up the famous shul and took the short tour of the shul. We did all the famous art sites there and then hit up the leather markets the next morning. We then went to Rome. Rome def. came in third place out of the three cities. We stayed in the Westin Excelsior, a category 6 property. Wasn't too impressed with this hotel. It was very nice, but needs to be redone and many small things in the rooms need repair. (would have liked have stayed in the St. Regis in Rome but there was no availability for my dates). In rome we did the Jewish ghetto and and a segway tour of ancient rome which was pretty cool. The food situation in Rome is much better then other places in Italy, although it could be tricky with the whole glatt issue.

Coming home, I made sure to have a good 2.5 hour stop over in Frankfurt so we could check out the first class terminal. When we landed in Frankfurt, we did not have a gate position so my wife and I expected to squish into the shuttle taking everyone tot he terminal. As we got of the plane, however, there was a LH agent waiting for us with a sign for first class and our name. We hopped into a mercedes van which took us straight to Terminal A. From there we made our way to the First class terminal. It was great! great scotch, great baths and showers, our kosher meal was waiting for us, two LH rubber duckies, and of course the Mercedes S class ride directly to the place a few minutes before take off.....All in all, it was a great trip....I'm already saving and churning for the next one!
Sounds like a nice trip.
How many points did you use for the tickets and for the hotels?
How much was ground transportation?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Cbs on September 04, 2012, 03:03:23 AM
So here goes..

My wife and I decided to treat ourselves to a trip to Italy for our 5th Anniversary (on points of course). We used United miles to fly LH first class and we used spg points for hotels. The flight to Frankfurt was great. As I noted earlier, my wife and I had the whole upper deck to ourselves so it was very private and relaxing. We each had a seat and a another seat which was made into a bed for each of us. The kosher food on the plane there was quite good I thought. It was prepared by Bornsteins Catering which is certified by the OU. Our stop over in Frankfurt was pretty quick so we didn't have time to hear over to the First Class Terminal (made sure we had enough time on the way home) but the First Class Lounge in LH is very nice as well....almost had a minyan there of daveners but we were two short.

Once we got to the airport in Venice, we took the Alilaguna shuttle which cost 13 euros a person to our hotel. We stayed at Hotel Danieli which was a beautiful hotel. I didn't put too much faith in my spg gold status, but after some small talk and pleasantries, I got them to upgrade us to a premium deluxe room with a lagoon view ( a view og high demand and little supply in Venice). But at this point we only had the room for Thursday night, but the front desk said we would need to give up the room for Friday night and Sat. night). Luckily, when I went down on Friday morning, they said we could keep the room for the rest of the stay. Hotel Danieli does present some Shabbas issues, but nothing which can;t be circumvented. The entrance is revolving electrical door, but we just waited for others to step in and hopped in right behind them, causing no further movement of the door ( a solution suggested by many poskim). The key situation was more complicated as the only way to get into the room was by using a real key with a small light which lights up once you put the key in the door. We put all our valuables in the safe and left the door slightly open and had no problems. We ate at Gam Gam for Shabbas which was very very nice ( we also ate there thursday night and had excellent schwaurma).

Took a train on Sunday morning to Florence. We stayed at the St. Regis, and spg category 7 property. This hotel was incredible. We were immediately upgraded to a junior suite (which I later discovered went for 2000 euros a night). The room was beautiful along with a nice view overlooking the Arno River. Didn't have much time in Florence but we hit up the famous shul and took the short tour of the shul. We did all the famous art sites there and then hit up the leather markets the next morning. We then went to Rome. Rome def. came in third place out of the three cities. We stayed in the Westin Excelsior, a category 6 property. Wasn't too impressed with this hotel. It was very nice, but needs to be redone and many small things in the rooms need repair. (would have liked have stayed in the St. Regis in Rome but there was no availability for my dates). In rome we did the Jewish ghetto and and a segway tour of ancient rome which was pretty cool. The food situation in Rome is much better then other places in Italy, although it could be tricky with the whole glatt issue.

Coming home, I made sure to have a good 2.5 hour stop over in Frankfurt so we could check out the first class terminal. When we landed in Frankfurt, we did not have a gate position so my wife and I expected to squish into the shuttle taking everyone tot he terminal. As we got of the plane, however, there was a LH agent waiting for us with a sign for first class and our name. We hopped into a mercedes van which took us straight to Terminal A. From there we made our way to the First class terminal. It was great! great scotch, great baths and showers, our kosher meal was waiting for us, two LH rubber duckies, and of course the Mercedes S class ride directly to the place a few minutes before take off.....All in all, it was a great trip....I'm already saving and churning for the next one!
nice TR. Thanx for taking the time to write it.  Venice was my favorite!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yosers1 on September 04, 2012, 07:37:24 AM
The flights were 135K united miles each. LH has gotten into a practice of only opening up first class awards to other partner airlines very close to the flight date. At first I was forced to book business class tickets and was able to find first class availability through ANA just a couple days before the flight. For some reason, I wasn't charged any few to switch the booking and even got a small refund because the minimal taxes were less on the new flight.

Hotels were cat. 6 or 7 so the cat. 6 were either 20K spg points or $150 and 8K points using cash & points where available. I splurged on the one night at the st. Regis and spent 30K points, but it was well worth it (got a value of about ten cents per point which is fine by me)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Menachem613 on September 04, 2012, 08:08:04 PM
So here goes..

My wife and I decided to treat ourselves to a trip to Italy for our 5th Anniversary (on points of course). We used United miles to fly LH first class and we used spg points for hotels. The flight to Frankfurt was great. As I noted earlier, my wife and I had the whole upper deck to ourselves so it was very private and relaxing. We each had a seat and a another seat which was made into a bed for each of us. The kosher food on the plane there was quite good I thought. It was prepared by Bornsteins Catering which is certified by the OU. Our stop over in Frankfurt was pretty quick so we didn't have time to hear over to the First Class Terminal (made sure we had enough time on the way home) but the First Class Lounge in LH is very nice as well....almost had a minyan there of daveners but we were two short.

Once we got to the airport in Venice, we took the Alilaguna shuttle which cost 13 euros a person to our hotel. We stayed at Hotel Danieli which was a beautiful hotel. I didn't put too much faith in my spg gold status, but after some small talk and pleasantries, I got them to upgrade us to a premium deluxe room with a lagoon view ( a view og high demand and little supply in Venice). But at this point we only had the room for Thursday night, but the front desk said we would need to give up the room for Friday night and Sat. night). Luckily, when I went down on Friday morning, they said we could keep the room for the rest of the stay. Hotel Danieli does present some Shabbas issues, but nothing which can;t be circumvented. The entrance is revolving electrical door, but we just waited for others to step in and hopped in right behind them, causing no further movement of the door ( a solution suggested by many poskim). The key situation was more complicated as the only way to get into the room was by using a real key with a small light which lights up once you put the key in the door. We put all our valuables in the safe and left the door slightly open and had no problems. We ate at Gam Gam for Shabbas which was very very nice ( we also ate there thursday night and had excellent schwaurma).

Took a train on Sunday morning to Florence. We stayed at the St. Regis, and spg category 7 property. This hotel was incredible. We were immediately upgraded to a junior suite (which I later discovered went for 2000 euros a night). The room was beautiful along with a nice view overlooking the Arno River. Didn't have much time in Florence but we hit up the famous shul and took the short tour of the shul. We did all the famous art sites there and then hit up the leather markets the next morning. We then went to Rome. Rome def. came in third place out of the three cities. We stayed in the Westin Excelsior, a category 6 property. Wasn't too impressed with this hotel. It was very nice, but needs to be redone and many small things in the rooms need repair. (would have liked have stayed in the St. Regis in Rome but there was no availability for my dates). In rome we did the Jewish ghetto and and a segway tour of ancient rome which was pretty cool. The food situation in Rome is much better then other places in Italy, although it could be tricky with the whole glatt issue.

Coming home, I made sure to have a good 2.5 hour stop over in Frankfurt so we could check out the first class terminal. When we landed in Frankfurt, we did not have a gate position so my wife and I expected to squish into the shuttle taking everyone tot he terminal. As we got of the plane, however, there was a LH agent waiting for us with a sign for first class and our name. We hopped into a mercedes van which took us straight to Terminal A. From there we made our way to the First class terminal. It was great! great scotch, great baths and showers, our kosher meal was waiting for us, two LH rubber duckies, and of course the Mercedes S class ride directly to the place a few minutes before take off.....All in all, it was a great trip....I'm already saving and churning for the next one!

Thanks for the write-up.  I am very interested as I plan on visiting Rome, Florence and Venice (in that order) as well this coming May.  How long was your whole trip?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: DrDanny on September 04, 2012, 11:17:46 PM
Thanks fit writing
I did a similar trip in early August
You've given me chizuk I've begun to write mine
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yosers1 on September 05, 2012, 10:00:49 AM
The trip was a week long ( we left two kids at home with the grandparents....so we were somewhat limited). I bought train tickets on trenitalia.com before the trip. Tickets are usually 18 euros or 28 euros a person, depending on what is available. When we took the train, they had free wifi as a promo until Sep. 12 which was really nice.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on September 05, 2012, 10:14:55 AM
So here goes...

Nice TR!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MAJ on November 20, 2012, 07:10:39 AM
how to i book a train from venice to stresa? ( have to through in milan to get there )
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Gets on January 10, 2013, 06:11:29 PM
Anybody know what it's like in this weather
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: mmermss on January 10, 2013, 06:19:03 PM
Anybody know what the weather is like at this time?
FTFY
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: jj1000 on January 10, 2013, 06:42:07 PM
FTFY
Um no. Gets is asking is it enjoyable in the current season...

I was there in the spring and loved it. As long as you dress for it and don't mind walking in whatever weather it is, as ling as its not raining I'd imagine it'd be just as beautiful. Just my speculation.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: mmermss on January 10, 2013, 06:56:45 PM
Um no. Gets is asking is it enjoyable in the current season...
Lol...you're right. Totally misread his question. Guess that's what happens at 2am
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on January 25, 2013, 06:49:18 AM
Now that the Westin and the Danieli are both cat. 6, which one is the better choice for someone staying there during the week (rendering the Danieli's electric door non-problematic)?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: U-no-me! on January 26, 2013, 11:19:38 AM
Now that the Westin and the Danieli are both cat. 6, which one is the better choice for someone staying there during the week (rendering the Danieli's electric door non-problematic)?


Danieli.

GL

O0
Title: danieli or westin venice?
Post by: HBERG on January 31, 2013, 04:34:42 PM
which one should stay at
Title: Re: danieli or westin venice?
Post by: sky121 on January 31, 2013, 05:19:28 PM

Danieli.

GL

O0
which one should stay at
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: HBERG on January 31, 2013, 07:06:50 PM
because....
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on February 19, 2013, 05:56:27 PM
Does anyone know where the Hilton Molino Stucky Venice is located?

How far from the Jewish Ghetto and other areas worth visiting in Venice?

Is this a bad location to stay at?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on February 19, 2013, 05:58:00 PM
bad location to stay at
That.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on February 19, 2013, 06:00:40 PM
That.

Bummer. Thought so. No wonder it's the only thing available. Any other chains that have nice hotels their besides Hilton and Starwood?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: myb821 on February 19, 2013, 06:01:16 PM
Bummer. Thought so. No wonder it's the only thing available. Any other chains that have nice hotels their besides Hilton and Starwood?
I believe marriott has a nice hotel
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on February 19, 2013, 06:02:15 PM
I believe marriott has a nice hotel

Thanks, I'll check it out. Might have to invest in some Marriott CC's

Update: One nice hotel, not available with points. Not sure if it's just my dates or if it's ever available with points.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on February 19, 2013, 06:05:56 PM
Availability in VCE is constantly in flux. Check daily as it will open.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on February 19, 2013, 06:08:12 PM
Availability in VCE is constantly in flux. Check daily as it will open.

Thanks Dan, will do.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MnM1130 on March 09, 2013, 10:49:38 PM
Availability in VCE is constantly in flux. Check daily as it will open.
i sent my parents to stay there- and they said it was beautiful.. when i booked it kept opening and closing availability. but i ended up booking one time that i saw it was avail. i say nice choice...
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on March 13, 2013, 06:55:23 PM
Ok so I booked my peoples one night at the hotel Danieli (before the rate change thankfully).

They have about 28 hours in Venice. Besides just walking around,  is there anything else there that's a must do/see?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on March 20, 2013, 07:13:46 PM
Can anyone recommend any nice hotels in Venice?  I wasn't able to lock in the Hotel Danieli for all the nights I'll be there before the rate changed.
Looking for a good priced, nice place.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on March 20, 2013, 07:17:24 PM
Westin?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on March 20, 2013, 07:19:58 PM
Westin?

No nights available at the moment. How's the location?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on March 20, 2013, 07:27:24 PM
Location is great. Chat with them to find d out how many points you need for a nicer room or just check daily for a standard room.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on March 28, 2013, 05:09:27 PM
How far is the walk from the Westin/Danieli to the Jewish Ghetto?  How's the transportation? Easy to follow and get around?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on March 28, 2013, 06:33:02 PM
Anywhere from 25-45 minutes depending on your pace.
You can take a waterbus or water taxi.
It's easy enough to walk though getting a little lost is part of the fun.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: jj1000 on March 28, 2013, 06:44:52 PM
Getting a little lost is part of the fun.
+1000 that was the main thing I did there. Was awesome! I'm pretty sure a year later I remember the island well. (The areas I walked anyway)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on March 28, 2013, 06:55:58 PM
Anywhere from 25-45 minutes depending on your pace.
You can take a waterbus or water taxi.
It's easy enough to walk though getting a little lost is part of the fun.
Thanks and I bet. Looking forward. :)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SuperFlyer on April 04, 2013, 04:22:13 AM
I hope to be this shabbes in VCE.

Anyone up to a GamGam-Style-DO ?

Anyone has an idea of the opening hours on friday/sunday of the kosher shops?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: ChAiM'l on April 04, 2013, 09:55:17 AM
Anyone up to a GamGam-Style-DO ?

Like!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: jj1000 on April 04, 2013, 10:08:40 AM
Like!
agreed.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on April 21, 2013, 09:39:21 AM
Not sure how it works with availability but I am about to cancel a cash and points night at the Hotel Danieli for July 24. 
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on April 21, 2013, 07:05:04 PM
Not sure how it works with availability but I am about to cancel a cash and points night at the Hotel Danieli for July 24.

Thanks for the tip.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on April 23, 2013, 02:41:03 PM
Helping someone with a trip to Venice, haven't been there yet myself.
Can someone give me a rough estimate of how much things cost there?

Getting from Airport to hotel?
A bus ride?

Etc?

How much money per day is needed for Venice? Excluding food and hotel.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Cbs on April 23, 2013, 02:57:19 PM
Helping someone with a trip to Venice, haven't been there yet myself.
Can someone give me a rough estimate of how much things cost there?

Getting from Airport to hotel?
A bus ride?

Etc?

How much money per day is needed for Venice? Excluding food and hotel.
cheapest option from airport is prob a bus. and then walk across the bridge and dpending on where u need to go form there. take a taxi boat or a public boat
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on April 23, 2013, 03:05:27 PM
cheapest option from airport is prob a bus. and then walk across the bridge and dpending on where u need to go form there. take a taxi boat or a public boat

Can I get an idea of cost?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Cbs on April 23, 2013, 03:08:31 PM
Can I get an idea of cost?
forgot. couldve been one of those things that u need a card but not required to swipe ;)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: jmansour on June 19, 2013, 01:47:23 PM
whats the verdict daneili or gritti palace? both being category 7 im wonering what to do. Is the points savings worth staying at the westin?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on June 19, 2013, 01:49:04 PM
Is the points savings worth staying at the westin?
Absolutely.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: jmansour on June 19, 2013, 01:54:06 PM
Absolutely.

its a 10k difference for 2 nights total
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: jmansour on June 19, 2013, 01:57:34 PM
just spoke to spg gritti palace is too expensive..
its either 2 nights at danieli for 63k sog total or at the westin for 52k spg total
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on June 19, 2013, 01:58:07 PM
The Westin is just as good as the other SPG hotels.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: jmansour on June 19, 2013, 02:12:57 PM
The Westin is just as good as the other SPG hotels.


thanks dan!
done! saved 10k spg which helped me complete the booking of my 3 nights at the cervo hotel in porto cervo
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: snagger on June 19, 2013, 10:50:41 PM
is the westin really that nice? is it worth 11k spg points + $250?! thats how much it would cost me assuming a lower room doesn't become available? does anybody know if the Marriott boscolo venezia autograph collection is worth anything? its in the ghetto..
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Feivish on June 20, 2013, 12:46:30 AM
Can I get an idea of cost?
Taxi boat is very expensive, i did a 10 min way that was 70€. The public boat is way cheaper but will only take you along the Grand Canal.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: jmansour on July 10, 2013, 06:39:53 AM
I am flying back home, my wife is sleeping and im wide awake with wifi on lufthansa so i guess its time to do a trip report. We visited venice (2 days) sardinia (4 days) and rome (2 days).

We began our trip in Venice so i decided to take a nonstop from philly, i rented a car and drove about hour and a half from nyc.

We used 50k united miles plus about $100 each (used amex platinum airline credit) to fly business one way on usair from PHL to VCE nonstop. Their envoy class was excellent, the seat is fully flat and reminds me of CX business. The beauty of the flight is you arrive early so you have a full day. We arrived 30 minutes early at around 845 am.

Venice
We decided on the alilaguna ferry and purchased a round trip ticket. It wasnt that comfortable and it was a little hot but for the price of 27 euro round trip vs 100 euro water taxi each way It was a no brainer. The ride took about an hour and 15 minutes. We got off at the san marco stop and had to trek up 2 bridges to get to the westin, if i had to do it again id probably book the danielli just to be able to walk right off the boat into the hotel. I paid 26k spg per night for 2 nights. I saw many fellow jews at the westin which is always great to see.
On the first day we visited san marco sqaure and then just ventured off and explored. Just as everyone else says its best just to wonder in venice, it is such a pretty city, sometimes you wonder if you are in disneyland. We visited the shul and museum, we purchased glass mezuzot from the gift shop where the prices are equal usd vs euro (most shoppers are american tourists).  We ended off in gam gam which i loved, i had the pasta it was delicious. We walked back to the westin with the help of google maps of course. For those with unlocked phones i went to the "TIM" store (located in various locations) and purchased 1 gb of data and $15 euro in phone calls which i think are about .20 euro per minute to the states, very worthwhile. Day 2 we decided to head to lido beach, from the danielli san marco stop it is about 15 min ride on the ferry. This was probably one of our favorite days, we paid about 20 euro for 2 lounges and a hut on the beach, which was a 5 min walk from the ferry stop (lido is a small island). We packed some food (we brought a little food with us) and relaxed. Towards the end of the day we rented a 2 seater pedicab bike for 6 euro for an hour and just rode around the island, it is so beautiful! After another gam gam dinner my wife suckered me into the gondoleh, at least i was able to get him down to 80 euro from 100 plus it was around 11 at night so it was super quiet and very nice.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Homeandl on September 16, 2013, 01:11:55 AM
Thanks for the TR, I'm also doing Venice IY"H in Jan. and that was helpful

I paid 26k spg per night for 2 nights.
Why is that? I just checked the Westin and its only 20k per night,
How long was the walk from the San Marco to the Westin?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on September 16, 2013, 10:06:05 AM
Thanks for the TR, I'm also doing Venice IY"H in Jan. and that was helpful
Why is that? I just checked the Westin and its only 20k per night,
How long was the walk from the San Marco to the Westin?

I'd say it's around 5-10 minutes.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: jmansour on September 16, 2013, 05:03:23 PM
Thanks for the TR, I'm also doing Venice IY"H in Jan. and that was helpful
Why is that? I just checked the Westin and its only 20k per night,
How long was the walk from the San Marco to the Westin?

i got a slightly better room since the standard wasnt available.
From the Pier to the hotel its about 7 minutes but there are 2 walking bridges which is a schlep with luggage. The westin is also hidden in an alley its tough to find. After the 2nd walking bridge you make the left. Youll see all the gandolas hanging out near there.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: ual902 on October 06, 2013, 12:56:26 AM
Any Venice Hotel recommendations paying cash not points?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on October 06, 2013, 07:39:52 AM
i stayed here http://www.morihotel.com/
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: ShlomoM on October 06, 2013, 08:25:19 AM
http://www.tripadvisor.ca/Hotel_Review-g187870-d237415-Reviews-Arcadia_Boutique_Hotel-Venice_Veneto.html
I loved this hotel
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on October 06, 2013, 10:30:20 AM
i stayed here http://www.morihotel.com/
+1
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on October 06, 2013, 01:36:57 PM
Any Venice Hotel recommendations paying cash not points?
Hotel Principe - we loved it and was right near the kosher food.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: abdassie on October 20, 2013, 04:57:43 PM
I am going to Venice for 3 days please advise best places to visit and best places to stay?
Thank you
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on October 20, 2013, 04:59:34 PM
I am going to Venice for 3 days please advise best places to visit and best places to stay?
Thank you

Are you using points?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: abdassie on October 20, 2013, 05:04:11 PM
I have points but willing to use points or cash
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on October 20, 2013, 05:05:29 PM
I have points but willing to use points or cash

The Westin is a great hotel with SPG.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on October 20, 2013, 06:15:52 PM
Carnival palace is a great hotel !!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: abdassie on October 20, 2013, 09:19:20 PM
Any other suggestions for hotels for a more reasonable prices?
Also what are the best places to visit?
Thank you
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: ShlomoM on October 20, 2013, 09:47:23 PM

Any other suggestions for hotels for a more reasonable prices?
Also what are the best places to visit?
Thank you
Alrdy mentioned Arcadia hotel was very nice and reasonable.
Both islands if you have time and St Peters Basilica and just walk or boat around.   
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: jmansour on October 21, 2013, 07:37:57 AM
I am going to Venice for 3 days please advise best places to visit and best places to stay?
Thank you

Stay in the danieli or gritti palace if possible. Make sure to take the ferry to lido, its 20 min away and its so nice. See my TR above.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: rcarentals on October 21, 2013, 09:54:10 AM
There are 2 kosher (some of the rums are less mehadrin but the clerks know which) fruit cocktail stands - called fruit-lala.
 great drinks! Owned by an Israeli called avichai who davens at Chabad. There is also an excellent "Italian ice store" with kosher parve sorbet called "Grom" Jewish lady works behind the counter usually..
If you like espresso there are tons of really good cafe's spotted all over and they know how to make it good there.. Can't remember a specific name but don't forget to try the espresso its an Italian specialty!
And of course enjoy gamgam!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: JFEADV on October 21, 2013, 11:59:36 AM
what is the weather like end of January. is it a good time to go on the way to London for nyc
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on October 21, 2013, 12:03:02 PM
Stay in the danieli or gritti palace if possible.
Can't imagine they're worth the extra SPG points.

There are 2 kosher (some of the rums are less mehadrin but the clerks know which) fruit cocktail stands - called fruit-lala.
Correct spelling here: http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/7877
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: rcarentals on October 21, 2013, 12:18:36 PM
Correct spelling here: http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/7877
Yes frulala.. Very decent TR. Was grom open when you were there?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on October 21, 2013, 12:21:25 PM
No
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: boropark123 on October 25, 2013, 04:08:17 PM
I can have the westin for cash and points for shabbos, question is I'm going with a baby, so is it a good idea to go to an hotel so far from chabad? Is there a lot of steps/bumps along the way making it tough for a carriage?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on October 25, 2013, 04:11:06 PM
Stroller in Venice?!?
Now that's funny.

Better get a good baby carrier.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: boropark123 on October 25, 2013, 04:21:22 PM
What do you mean by baby carrier? A Baby Bjorn? Is it really impossible to get around with a stroller?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on October 26, 2013, 05:45:32 PM
What do you mean by baby carrier? A Baby Bjorn? Is it really impossible to get around with a stroller?
not impossible. i did it, but i stayed next to the ghetto for shabbos and took water buses during the week
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: boropark123 on October 26, 2013, 09:45:29 PM
Ill prob end up doing that or maybe just drop of stroller in chabad to use while eating the seuda, and do the walking with a baby Bjorn.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: abdassie on October 30, 2013, 04:27:25 PM
anybody ever stay at the Kosher House Giardino dei Melograni in Venice?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: JFEADV on November 10, 2013, 08:27:03 AM
how is venice In january weather wise
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: boropark123 on November 13, 2013, 10:24:51 AM
Carnival palace is a great hotel !!
How close is this hotel to gam gam/jewish area?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on November 13, 2013, 11:05:04 AM
How close is this hotel to gam gam/jewish area?
about 1500 feet
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: boropark123 on November 13, 2013, 11:14:26 AM
about 1500 feet
Actually i just checked on google maps, according to them its more like 7 mins
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on November 13, 2013, 11:20:01 AM
Actually i just checked on google maps, according to them its more like 7 mins
which based on the fact that the average Human walks 3.1 miles an hour is pretty much the same thing
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: boropark123 on November 13, 2013, 11:29:17 AM
which based on the fact that the average Human walks 3.1 miles an hour is pretty much the same thing
makes sense. hows the hotel itself? are they familiar with shabbos issues? keys and revolving doors ETC.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on November 13, 2013, 11:32:17 AM
makes sense. hows the hotel itself? are they familiar with shabbos issues? keys and revolving doors ETC.
dunno I has friends that stayed there for shabbbos although I never did
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: boropark123 on November 13, 2013, 11:38:41 AM
dunno I has friends that stayed there for shabbbos although I never did
were they overall happy with the hotel?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on November 13, 2013, 11:42:16 AM
were they overall happy with the hotel?
afaik but they were bochurim them they prob would've been happy on a park bench also
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: boropark123 on November 13, 2013, 12:01:02 PM
afaik but they were bochurim them they prob would've been happy on a park bench also
Thanks for the info
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: nuko on November 17, 2013, 09:33:55 PM
My wife and I are planning a trip to venice and then israel for may to celebrate our 10th anniversary. I have 300k SPG points, 80k AA miles and 30k Skymiles. What would be the most economical way to get from JFK->VCE->TLV and then back to JFK from TLV? Which airline should I transfer my SPG points to - if possible I'd like to fly first or business class as well. I'm thinking of somehow utilizing them in combo with the American Airlines points but I'm a REAL novice at this. Any help is much appreciated
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: JFEADV on December 19, 2013, 12:46:57 PM
which spg hotel would u recommend in venice for a sun-wed stay in January
pls advise also approx. how far it is from jewish getto
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on December 19, 2013, 01:00:39 PM
which spg hotel would u recommend in venice for a sun-wed stay in January
pls advise also approx. how far it is from jewish getto

I enjoyed the Westin.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: AMZ450 on December 19, 2013, 01:45:11 PM
which spg hotel would u recommend in venice for a sun-wed stay in January
pls advise also approx. how far it is from jewish getto

If you have a lot  of SPG points to burn,the Danielli is one of finest hotels in the world.
In st marks square- approximately 30 min walk to the ghetto.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on December 19, 2013, 01:49:04 PM
If you have a lot  of SPG points to burn,the Danielli is one of finest hotels in the world.
In st marks square- approximately 30 min walk to the ghetto.
Why is it worth burning more 50% points there over the Westin a 4 minute walk away?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on December 19, 2013, 02:03:29 PM
Why is it worth burning more 50% points there over the Westin a 4 minute walk away?

I made reservations at both the last time I was in Venice planning to switch mid trip. After seeing the Danielli and going inside and meeting the staff I decided I like the location and vibe of the Westin much better.  The Daniellis a classic but at the end of the day....
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: JFEADV on December 19, 2013, 02:54:02 PM
what didn't u like in the danielli & how r the rooms in westin
it is a difference of 10k pts a night
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on December 19, 2013, 02:56:19 PM
what didn't u like in the danielli & how r the rooms in westin
it is a difference of 10k pts a night

The first few nights we had a beautiful upgrade to a suite overlooking the water. The last few nights we had a suite overlooking houses etc- also a beautiful view.
Can't comment on the regular rooms.

The Danielli just felt a bit too stuffy for my tastes. I'd still love to stay there one day but for me it wouldn't be worth the extra miles.
Meanwhile I also don't have that many SPG. If you're rolling in the SPG than maybe... though I still think I'd prefer the Westin.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: JFEADV on December 19, 2013, 03:10:46 PM
whats with the gritti
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: YankyDoodle on December 19, 2013, 03:40:25 PM
what didn't u like in the danielli & how r the rooms in westin
it is a difference of 10k pts a night

I did not look at the Danielli, so I cannot compare.

The Westin was fine, but nothing more IME. The lobby is beautiful but the rest of the hotel itself feels like they took a rundown apartment building and applied the most minor or upgrades. We only had a suite, so again I cannot compare to a regular room. There were tons of bugs in our room which we had to ask multiple times to have taken care of. The bed and pillows were alright, but nothing luxurious. The TV screen in the bedroom was cracked (we also had a TV in the living room) and they did not replace it while we were there. They were very accommodating about our keeping kosher (although with its share of headaches).

Keep in mind we stayed there immediately after 5 nights at the Park Hyatt Paris... so my expectations may have been slightly too high! 
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: JFEADV on December 22, 2013, 09:18:43 AM
whats with the gritti
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: oiseli48 on December 25, 2013, 08:33:07 AM
Heading to Venice in February, on the United mistake/deal last month. Staying in the Boscolo Venezia 3 nights for 90,000 marriott points. Wednesday through Shabbos. Anyone had an experience of a late check out from there motzei shabbos? Shabbos ends 6:20
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: JFEADV on December 26, 2013, 09:43:05 AM
who can recommend me which of the s[g hotels in venice is nicest & closest to jewish ghetto
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on January 05, 2014, 06:03:13 PM
I know Dan did it, but is it worth it to stay at the Westin Europa with cash+points over shabbos and walk to the ghetto?  I couldn't find another hotel that was cheaper (for points) and closer than the Westin. Am I missing something?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: jmansour on January 06, 2014, 12:25:16 AM
I know Dan did it, but is it worth it to stay at the Westin Europa with cash+points over shabbos and walk to the ghetto?  I couldn't find another hotel that was cheaper (for points) and closer than the Westin. Am I missing something?
Ye i did the walk a few times its not that bad
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on January 06, 2014, 12:31:19 AM
Ye i did the walk a few times its not that bad
Is the hotel worth the 10k+$180/night?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on January 06, 2014, 01:13:26 AM
when i went, i did name your own price with priceline and i knew beforehand that for 180/night i would get the intercontinental by the spanish steps
Aren't the spanish steps in Rome? Did you use the expired gift card trick for "knowing beforehand" with priceline?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on January 06, 2014, 01:31:53 AM
yup, rome, deleted post
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: jmansour on January 06, 2014, 01:05:34 PM
Is the hotel worth the 10k+$180/night?

depends on what the rate is, usually try to get more than 2 cents per point..
the hotel is nothing special but it does the job
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on January 06, 2014, 01:11:09 PM
The normal rate for those days is about $800/night on average according to SPG over the phone. If it's nothing special, would you recommend something else?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: jmansour on January 06, 2014, 01:42:13 PM
The normal rate for those days is about $800/night on average according to SPG over the phone. If it's nothing special, would you recommend something else?
wow thats crazy so ye i would say thats a good redemption.
if you want to use SPG the danieli is beautiful and easily located off of the pier.
the issue I remember having wit the westin was scheloing the bags over like 3 walking bridges.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: JFEADV on January 06, 2014, 02:38:28 PM
looking for spg plat to book for me 3 nights in venice pls pm me
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Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on January 17, 2014, 11:37:46 AM
Has anyone had any success contacting Chabad of Venice about shabbos in the Gallery? I've emailed them a few times at info@jewishvenice.org with no replies.  Is there another email address I should try?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on January 17, 2014, 12:54:11 PM
<redacted>
Thanks!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on January 17, 2014, 12:55:31 PM
NP, I've removed it for now.
Post if it works.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on January 17, 2014, 12:56:53 PM
NP, I've removed it for now.
Post if it works.

I think I emailed him through the link on this page: http://www.chabad.org/centers/default_cdo/aid/118209/jewish/Chabad-of-Venice-and-Yeshiva-of-Venice.htm

But I'll email him again directly and post what happens.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on January 19, 2014, 03:49:46 PM
Whats the cheapest option for 3 people near  chabad thats not a prob for shabbos.
Im going this week and as of now I booked the kosher hotel for 240 euro for one double and one single room but looking for better
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: boropark123 on January 19, 2014, 04:06:24 PM
Try carnival palace. Place is excellent and cheap!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on January 19, 2014, 04:08:06 PM
Try carnival palace. Place is excellent and cheap!
I was there too i loved it.....
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on January 19, 2014, 04:16:07 PM
Try carnival palace. Place is excellent and cheap!


I was there too i loved it.....
not an issue for shabbos?
Also if I Leave motzei shabbos do i still pay for 2 days?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: boropark123 on January 19, 2014, 04:20:33 PM

not an issue for shabbos?
Also if I Leave motzei shabbos do i still pay for 2 days?
No issue with shabbos as they have a separate door.

They will probably charge you for the night as they are pretty firm with these stuff.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on January 19, 2014, 07:23:25 PM
No issue with shabbos as they have a separate door.

They will probably charge you for the night as they are pretty firm with these stuff.

+1

This ain't Israel...
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on January 20, 2014, 12:48:26 AM
Try carnival palace. Place is excellent and cheap!


I was there too i loved it.....
is it better than the kosher hotel? It's cheaper now than carnival
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Homeandl on January 21, 2014, 10:07:05 PM
Has anyone had any success contacting Chabad of Venice about shabbos in the Gallery? I've emailed them a few times at info@jewishvenice.org with no replies.  Is there another email address I should try?
Any luck? I've also emailed them for same reason and no reply
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Homeandl on January 21, 2014, 10:12:29 PM
Try carnival palace. Place is excellent and cheap!
It's same street as Gam Gam, wanna tour the hotel live? Here is Googles new hotel view.. ( like street view) https://maps.gstatic.com/m/streetview/?panoid=NGo1sBCkt1CNCIhiX8dxYA&cbp=0,15.16823635393621,,0,0 how cool is that
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: oiseli48 on January 22, 2014, 03:21:05 PM
I'm heading to Venice soon, staying at Boscolo Venezia with Marriott points. My silver status entitles me to a 4 pm late checkout, and Shabbos ends 6:20...
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on January 22, 2014, 03:30:25 PM
I'm heading to Venice soon, staying at Boscolo Venezia with Marriott points. My silver status entitles me to a 4 pm late checkout, and Shabbos ends 6:20...
Couldn't you have them take your bags to a bag hold area for the last 2:20?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on January 22, 2014, 03:34:29 PM
Couldn't you have them take your bags to a bag hold area for the last 2:20?
Yup. Just shbatzeer around Venice as Shabbos ebbs away
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on January 22, 2014, 04:56:16 PM
I'm heading to Venice soon, staying at Boscolo Venezia with Marriott points. My silver status entitles me to a 4 pm late checkout, and Shabbos ends 6:20...

Let us know how the hotel is. Pics are always appreciated as well.  Enjoy!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on January 22, 2014, 05:12:16 PM
Let us know how the hotel is. Pics are always appreciated as well.  Enjoy!
+1, I'm curious if it's worth staying there for shabbos assuming it's nice and cheaper than the Westin using C&P.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on January 22, 2014, 05:14:14 PM
I'm heading to Venice soon, staying at Boscolo Venezia with Marriott points. My silver status entitles me to a 4 pm late checkout, and Shabbos ends 6:20...
how far is it From chabad?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on January 22, 2014, 05:23:34 PM
+1, I'm curious if it's worth staying there for shabbos assuming it's nice and cheaper than the Westin using C&P.

I'd prefer Westin though for it's location I think.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on January 22, 2014, 05:38:00 PM
I'd prefer Westin though for it's location I think.
We're still planning on staying in the Westin, just maybe not Friday night.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: oiseli48 on January 22, 2014, 06:58:39 PM
how far is it From chabad?

Closer than the spg hotels, about a 15 minute walk
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: oiseli48 on January 22, 2014, 07:00:09 PM
Couldn't you have them take your bags to a bag hold area for the last 2:20?

That's what I guess we'll do
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on January 22, 2014, 07:02:36 PM
We're still planning on staying in the Westin, just maybe not Friday night.
The walk from Chabad to the Westin on shabbos was the finest part about he trip.
Most unique shabbos walk you're probably ever have...relish it!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on January 22, 2014, 07:30:26 PM
The walk from Chabad to the Westin on shabbos was the finest part about he trip.
Most unique shabbos walk you're probably ever have...relish it!
even in the rain? The weather is unpredictable this time of year, so this week im just sticking with the kosher hotel right next to chabad
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Homeandl on January 23, 2014, 12:31:51 AM
even in the rain? The weather is unpredictable this time of year, so this week im just sticking with the kosher hotel right next to chabad
Same here, I'll be there in Feb. staying Shabbos at the kosher house, did you contact Chabad about the Shabbos meals?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on January 23, 2014, 01:12:08 AM
Same here, I'll be there in Feb. staying Shabbos at the kosher house, did you contact Chabad about the Shabbos meals?
nope. I've been there before more than once so I'm familiar with everything
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: HP58 on January 23, 2014, 01:37:46 AM
nope. I've been there before more than once so I'm familiar with everything
So what did you do about Shabbos meals? Brought your own food?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on January 23, 2014, 01:40:34 AM
nope. I've been there before more than once so I'm familiar with everything
Do you know the best way to contact Chabad there? I've tried quite a few email addresses and haven't heard back from anyone.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on January 23, 2014, 07:40:54 AM
So what did you do about Shabbos meals? Brought your own food?
nope, you only have to reserve for the gallery. But there's also the restaurant with no reservation needed and they don't officially charge, there's just a suggested donation. During peak season the restaurant can get packed with 5-600 people wanting meals and it gets hectic and you.may have to wait a couple hours so you may want to pay the extra money and reserve the gallery if you can't hack that.


Do you know the best way to contact Chabad there? I've tried quite a few email addresses and haven't heard back from anyone.
nope but I can ask tomorrow when I'm there
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on January 23, 2014, 08:47:35 AM
nope, you only have to reserve for the gallery. But there's also the restaurant with no reservation needed and they don't officially charge, there's just a suggested donation. During peak season the restaurant can get packed with 5-600 people wanting meals and it gets hectic and you.may have to wait a couple hours so you may want to pay the extra money and reserve the gallery if you can't hack that.

nope but I can ask tomorrow when I'm there
Thanks, much appreciated. I've been trying to reserve the Gallery but I haven't been able to confirm.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Homeandl on January 25, 2014, 08:01:41 PM
Thanks, much appreciated. I've been trying to reserve the Gallery but I haven't been able to confirm.
Also trying to reserve gallery but no replies to my email, how is the scenario like in a Feb. Shabbos ?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on January 25, 2014, 08:06:43 PM
Also trying to reserve gallery but no replies to my email, how is the scenario like in a Feb. Shabbos ?
was there this shabbos, theres no need to reserve the gallery really, there was enough room and was a beautifull meal
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on January 25, 2014, 09:40:38 PM
was there this shabbos, theres no need to reserve the gallery really, there was enough room and was a beautifull meal
The problem is that I'm going in the summer. Any way to contact them? I also want to find out about early shabbos in the summer.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Homeandl on January 26, 2014, 12:01:10 AM
was there this shabbos, theres no need to reserve the gallery really, there was enough room and was a beautifull meal
Thanks glad to hear
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: The Oatmeal bar on January 26, 2014, 02:30:37 AM
I'm in Israel and want to go to italy for pesach. I've been searching for a couple hours but couldnt find a clear answer as to how I should fly. I have 60,000 ultimate reward points.
It would be awesome if you could advise thanks. 8)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on January 26, 2014, 06:27:27 PM
One way or round trip?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: dbel23 on January 26, 2014, 07:10:37 PM
I just spent all my spg points booking a stay in rome in June, so for the 1 day i want to stay in Venice, i am thinking of going through hotwire and getting a 5 star hotel in the Giudecca Island for $139 a night, which almost seems to good to be true... I found that the hilton and cipriani are both 5 stars and possible options available in that area, but never booked through hotwire before.
There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of info out there about Giudecca Island Pros/Cons. Any thoughts? 
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: dbel23 on January 26, 2014, 09:23:46 PM

I just found this review by a someone on trip advisor online. if anyone else is interested, this might be good to know:

"There are advantages and disadvantages to staying on Giudecca. It is not as overcrowded with tourists as elsewhere in Venice; in addition hotels and bars, cafes restaurants etc. are somewhat cheaper than many areas on the main island.

The main disadvantage is that it is an island, separated from the main city by the Giudecca canal, the widest in all Venice. So you have to take a ferry - a water bus -. These cost 6.50 euros for a single trip in any one direction so costs can mount up but this can be overcome by purchasing a period pass which offers a substantial saving. The water buses run very frequently (c. every 10 minutes) from around 5 a.m. until midnight. After that there is a reduced night service so you are never cut off."

Pretty much sums it up....
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Jeremiah on February 27, 2014, 07:36:16 AM
Any recommendations for a good place to stay for three bochurim over shabbos?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Homeandl on February 27, 2014, 04:36:27 PM
Kosher House, right in the Ghetto next to Chabad, I just stayed there for a Shabbos. http://www.reservekosher.com/listing-kosher-house-%93giardino-dei-melograni%94-in-the-historic-jewish-ghetto-of-venice-2511.html
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: PBaruch on February 27, 2014, 04:39:07 PM
Kosher House, right in the Ghetto next to Chabad, I just stayed there for a Shabbos. http://www.reservekosher.com/listing-kosher-house-%93giardino-dei-melograni%94-in-the-historic-jewish-ghetto-of-venice-2511.html

What are their rates?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on February 27, 2014, 04:41:06 PM
What are their rates?

Thanks.
negotiable if you go through them and not a booking site
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Jeremiah on March 05, 2014, 03:08:06 AM
Kosher House, right in the Ghetto next to Chabad, I just stayed there for a Shabbos. http://www.reservekosher.com/listing-kosher-house-%93giardino-dei-melograni%94-in-the-historic-jewish-ghetto-of-venice-2511.html
Anywhere else to stay for shabbos? The kosher house is booked up.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Homeandl on March 05, 2014, 03:40:50 AM
Anywhere else to stay for shabbos? The kosher house is booked up.
Try the carnival palace carnivalpalace.com, it's a nice hotel and down the street from Gam Gam
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Jeremiah on March 05, 2014, 07:21:30 AM
Try the carnival palace carnivalpalace.com, it's a nice hotel and down the street from Gam Gam
Booked up too! Anything not recommended by jewishvenice.org that is suitable for shabbos
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on March 05, 2014, 09:34:46 AM
Anywhere else to stay for shabbos? The kosher house is booked up.
try airbnb, you can get nice sized apartments next to gam gam for cheaper than the hotel rooms
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on March 05, 2014, 12:10:07 PM
i stayed at the ai mori doriente
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on March 05, 2014, 12:34:56 PM
i stayed at the ai mori doriente
+1
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on March 05, 2014, 12:36:54 PM
Don't have access to Starpoints?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on March 05, 2014, 12:40:48 PM
Don't have access to Starpoints?
Quote from: Dan's next post
Walking on shabbos from (fill in SPG hotel here) to Gam Gam and getting lost was the best shabbos walk of my life
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on March 05, 2014, 12:42:52 PM
(http://www.samanthablackmon.net/notyourmamasgamer/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/3698-well-played-300x197.jpg)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Jeremiah on March 05, 2014, 05:39:46 PM
Don't have access to Starpoints?
About 40k
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: oiseli48 on March 08, 2014, 07:59:08 PM
I stayed at Boscolo Venezia, on jewishvenice as Dei Dogi, for 30k Marriott points a night. Around a 7 minute walk to Chabad, 10 to gam gam
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: PBaruch on March 08, 2014, 08:10:25 PM
I stayed at Boscolo Venezia, on jewishvenice as Dei Dogi, for 30k Marriott points a night. Around a 7 minute walk to Chabad, 10 to gam gam

How was it?  Nice hotel?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: oiseli48 on March 08, 2014, 10:48:13 PM

How was it?  Nice hotel?

Yes. Not 5 star, but I'd say a 4. It uses to be a castle. My room was pretty large, nice bathroom, the staff were very friendly and accommodating. Wifi was a bit interesting, had to resign in every 10-15 minutes or so. They have a garden in the back, going all the way to the water.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Vosizderneias on March 18, 2014, 10:59:32 AM
How do you reserve place with chabad for meals?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on March 18, 2014, 11:27:06 AM
How do you reserve place with chabad for meals?
theres a link on the chabad website
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on March 18, 2014, 11:29:00 AM
theres a link on the chabad website
When I contacted chabad they just gave me an Italian cell phone number to call to make a reservation for the Gallery. Meals at Gam Gam don't require reservations. I haven't called yet, so I don't know more than that.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Vosizderneias on March 18, 2014, 11:31:14 AM
What do you mean they dont require a reservation, just show up fri night?
Whats the gallery? Thanks
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on March 18, 2014, 11:35:39 AM
What do you mean they dont require a reservation, just show up fri night?
Whats the gallery? Thanks
Correct. From what I was told you can just show up Friday night to eat at Gam Gam. The Gallery is a private dining room that requires a reservation. It's rather limited in seating, and it costs. I plan on reserving there myself (at least for Friday night), but we're not going until July so I haven't called yet.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on March 18, 2014, 11:39:33 AM
From what I was told you can just show up Friday night to eat at Gam Gam.
Yup. Though in peak season you may have to wait for a while for round 2.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on March 18, 2014, 11:50:14 AM
Yup. Though in peak season you may have to wait for a while for round 2.
That's why I want to reserve the Gallery for Friday night. :D
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on March 18, 2014, 11:57:59 AM
Yup. Though in peak season you may have to wait for a while for round 2.
I went before I got married and I was round 4
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on March 18, 2014, 11:58:42 AM
I went before I got married and I was round 4
When was that? 2am?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on March 18, 2014, 11:59:32 AM
I went before I got married and I was round 4
Exactly why I went in mid-May when there was just 1 round and when the weather couldn't have been more perfect.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on March 18, 2014, 12:02:18 PM
Exactly why I went in mid-May when there was just 1 round and when the weather couldn't have been more perfect.
I wish I could go then, but unfortunately my wife's a teacher and we already took off this year to go to South America.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on March 18, 2014, 12:05:54 PM
When was that? 2am?
no it goes fast and there is inside the restaurant and by the water so they stagger the shifts
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on March 18, 2014, 12:08:08 PM
no it goes fast and there is inside the restaurant and by the water so they stagger the shifts
I just know people who were there last summer and got the second seating. They didn't start till 11:00pm (which is a little late for me).
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on March 18, 2014, 12:19:16 PM
if youre married, you could have the mrs hold a seat for you at the first round
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on March 18, 2014, 12:20:57 PM
if youre married, you could have the mrs hold a seat for you at the first round
Really, now that's an idea! How does it work? Women can go to Gam Gam while we daven and reserve a seat? Is that why there's usually no space at the 1st seating if you're single or your wife goes to shul?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on March 18, 2014, 12:25:37 PM
Really, now that's an idea! How does it work? Women can go to Gam Gam while we daven and reserve a seat? Is that why there's usually no space at the 1st seating if you're single or your wife goes to shul?
my wife went to shul for the experience, but that ended sometime before the shtile shemona esreh, when she made her way over to get some seats
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on March 18, 2014, 12:31:41 PM
my wife went to shul for the experience, but that ended sometime before the shtile shemona esreh, when she made her way over to get some seats
Cool!  What time of year were you there? About what time did shabbos/the meal start?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on March 18, 2014, 01:56:37 PM
Cool!  What time of year were you there? About what time did shabbos/the meal start?
mid summer. meal started right after shul ended
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on March 18, 2014, 01:58:04 PM
mid summer. meal started right after shul ended
Thanks!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on March 18, 2014, 03:48:50 PM
Thanks!
no worries
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on March 18, 2014, 03:50:27 PM
no worries
Another questions for you: was there a reason you chose not to go to the Gallery? It seems that it costs 36 EUR and the suggested donation for Gam Gam is 35 EUR. Is it not worth it for the extra 1 EUR?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on March 18, 2014, 03:53:40 PM
Another questions for you: was there a reason you chose not to go to the Gallery? It seems that it costs 36 EUR and the suggested donation for Gam Gam is 35 EUR. Is it not worth it for the extra 1 EUR?
There was no gallery option when I was there.  Definitely sounds worthwhile though I enjoyed the outdoor shabbos meal at GG right on the canal.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on March 18, 2014, 03:58:34 PM
There was no gallery option when I was there.  Definitely sounds worthwhile though I enjoyed the outdoor shabbos meal at GG right on the canal.
I figured we can enjoy the meals outside during the day or for shalosh seudos.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on March 18, 2014, 05:23:58 PM
Another questions for you: was there a reason you chose not to go to the Gallery? It seems that it costs 36 EUR and the suggested donation for Gam Gam is 35 EUR. Is it not worth it for the extra 1 EUR?
Definitely do it. Especially if you'll be going in August.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on March 18, 2014, 05:25:45 PM
Definitely do it. Especially if you'll be going in August.
We'll be there in July, but that was the plan for Friday night. Would you recommend it for all meals? Also, how did you reserve it?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on March 18, 2014, 05:31:15 PM
We'll be there in July, but that was the plan for Friday night. Would you recommend it for all meals? Also, how did you reserve it?
I didn't reserve and had a awful night experience at Gam Gam. I don't recall exactly what happened during the day, but I think it was fine.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Tzfas on March 18, 2014, 06:24:14 PM
Any recommendations where to stay, will be there with a baby over Shabbos, and I'm pretty dry on starpoints at this moment. (in the process of refilling but wont have enough in time.)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on March 18, 2014, 06:31:41 PM
Any recommendations where to stay, will be there with a baby over Shabbos, and I'm pretty dry on starpoints at this moment. (in the process of refilling but wont have enough in time.)
the kosher hotel right next door, especially with a baby. they sell out so book early
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: kangarruu on March 18, 2014, 07:27:33 PM
Any recommendations where to stay, will be there with a baby over Shabbos, and I'm pretty dry on starpoints at this moment. (in the process of refilling but wont have enough in time.)

We rented an apartment across the street from GamGam when we were there last August. It was La città incantata (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/i1z1kuzuvnft9v7/ied82jo4uE). Very nicely arranged duplex with a full kitchen, washer/dryer, and metal keys for Shabbos. We paid 110 Euro per night.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Tzfas on March 18, 2014, 07:55:58 PM
We rented an apartment across the street from GamGam when we were there last August. It was La città incantata (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/i1z1kuzuvnft9v7/ied82jo4uE). Very nicely arranged duplex with a full kitchen, washer/dryer, and metal keys for Shabbos. We paid 110 Euro per night.
Thanks so much!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: MaaYanky on March 24, 2014, 10:01:08 AM
Please see the wiki I added and add info/topics to help people get the most out of their trip :)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: kangarruu on March 24, 2014, 06:21:30 PM
Definitely do it. Especially if you'll be going in August.

I second that. We went at the end of July and ate at GG. They were so packed that we didn't get a seat until 1 am (which was the third 'round' of seatings) despite being the first ones at the door. We didn't really mind since we were mingling with the people but a few others got really frustrated and left. Same thing almost happened at lunch but I went to the Rebbitzen directly and mentioned that it was my birthday :)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on March 24, 2014, 06:40:55 PM
I second that. We went at the end of July and ate at GG. They were so packed that we didn't get a seat until 1 am (which was the third 'round' of seatings) despite being the first ones at the door. We didn't really mind since we were mingling with the people but a few others got really frustrated and left. Same thing almost happened at lunch but I went to the Rebbitzen directly and mentioned that it was my birthday :)
Thanks for the suggestions. Even though it will be my birthday when I'm there, I'm still in the process of making a reservation for the Gallery for all meals.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: doublejay on March 27, 2014, 12:09:34 AM
How does Shabbos check out work at Venice hotels?

Thinking of staying just Thursday and Friday night and leaving town on Motzei Shabbos (gonna head to Rome). Would say I'd just pack up stuff and bring to head desk but muktzeh etc.

Ideas?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on March 27, 2014, 12:30:40 AM
How does Shabbos check out work at Venice hotels?

Thinking of staying just Thursday and Friday night and leaving town on Motzei Shabbos (gonna head to Rome). Would say I'd just pack up stuff and bring to head desk but muktzeh etc.

Ideas?
Pack up muktzeh stuff before shabbos and bring it to the front desk. Bring the rest on shabbos. Or just leave the stuff in your room and ask them to store it for you (AYLOR if there are amira laakum issues with this solution)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on April 01, 2014, 06:00:59 PM
I plan on reading through this entire thread when actually planning what to do in VCE, but can someone chime in with their opinion as to how long should my stay be? Yes, I know that depends on what I want to do there, but in general, would you say 2 days would be enough or do you strongly suggest a 3rd day?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on April 01, 2014, 06:01:58 PM
I plan on reading through this entire thread when actually planning what to do in VCE, but can someone chime in with their opinion as to how long should my stay be? Yes, I know that depends on what I want to do there, but in general, would you say 2 days would be enough or do you strongly suggest a 3rd day?

Personally I'd do at least 3.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on April 01, 2014, 06:08:20 PM
Personally I'd do at least 3.
Would you count Shabbos as a 3rd day or three days not including shabbos?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on April 01, 2014, 06:09:32 PM
I plan on reading through this entire thread when actually planning what to do in VCE, but can someone chime in with their opinion as to how long should my stay be? Yes, I know that depends on what I want to do there, but in general, would you say 2 days would be enough or do you strongly suggest a 3rd day?
I love venice and have been there a couple times and will prob be back shortly. Nonetheless in actual things to do two days is enough time granted its not a weekend when certain things are closed
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on April 01, 2014, 06:10:13 PM
Would you count Shabbos as a 3rd day or three days not including shabbos?

If Shabbos was the 3rd day it would be ok as a lot of what I love just involves walking around and soaking it all in. Meanwhile I went for 3 days from Monday to Thursday and I could have stayed longer.
Can't wait to get back.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on April 01, 2014, 06:15:14 PM
Personally I'd do at least 3.
Not gonna rehash the arguments above, but -1 (I'd probably do two + shabbos, but even that's pushing it)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on April 01, 2014, 06:16:04 PM
If Shabbos was the 3rd day it would be ok as a lot of what I love just involves walking around and soaking it all in. Meanwhile I went for 3 days from Monday to Thursday and I could have stayed longer.
Can't wait to get back.
Right now we have Thursday (afternoon) through Sunday (morning) planned. Think it should be enough?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on April 01, 2014, 06:17:13 PM
Right now we have Thursday (afternoon) through Sunday (morning) planned. Think it should be enough?
What time Thursday/Sunday
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on April 01, 2014, 06:20:01 PM
What time Thursday/Sunday
Landing at 1:45pm leaving Sunday morning via train to Rome, probably around 9:00am. I don't have train tix yet.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on April 01, 2014, 06:21:00 PM
Wow, thanks for all the quick comments. I was not including Shabbos but I was counting Friday as a day, since Fridays are so long in the European summer. Seems like people are quite strong in their opinion of 2 vs 3. If I'm talking a Friday and a Sunday as my 2 days (with things apparently closed on weekends as per Emkay), would you agree that those 2 days are not enough, Ergel? Or you think even then, Fri+Shab+Sun is enough.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on April 01, 2014, 06:21:37 PM
Landing at 1:45pm leaving Sunday morning via train to Rome, probably around 9:00am. I don't have train tix yet.
So, that's really only 1.5 days + Shabbos.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on April 01, 2014, 06:22:47 PM
So, that's really only 1.5 days + Shabbos.
Right, but I figured that if we wanted we can stay longer on Sunday and spend less time in Rome. Anyone have an opinion on that?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on April 01, 2014, 06:26:48 PM
Right, but I figured that if we wanted we can stay longer on Sunday and spend less time in Rome. Anyone have an opinion on that?
not much to do on Sunday in venice and spend as much time ad poss is Rome, there's tons to do there
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on April 01, 2014, 06:28:11 PM
not much to do on Sunday in venice and spend as much time ad poss is Rome, there's tons to do there
So I'll have to work with 1.5 days + Shabbos in Venice.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on April 01, 2014, 06:28:14 PM
Right, but I figured that if we wanted we can stay longer on Sunday and spend less time in Rome. Anyone have an opinion on that?
That's perfect.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on April 01, 2014, 06:28:40 PM
Wow, thanks for all the quick comments. I was not including Shabbos but I was counting Friday as a day, since Fridays are so long in the European summer. Seems like people are quite strong in their opinion of 2 vs 3. If I'm talking a Friday and a Sunday as my 2 days (with things apparently closed on weekends as per Emkay), would you agree that those 2 days are not enough, Ergel? Or you think even then, Fri+Shab+Sun is enough.
More than enough
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on April 01, 2014, 06:34:33 PM
So I'll have to work with 1.5 days + Shabbos in Venice.
that's enough. Make sure to plan to do the things that close on the weekends for right when u get there
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on April 01, 2014, 06:41:56 PM
More than enough
Thanks :)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on April 01, 2014, 06:52:39 PM
that's enough. Make sure to plan to do the things that close on the weekends for right when u get there
Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on April 01, 2014, 07:24:28 PM
Any suggestions?
if your doing murano don't do it Sunday
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: emak on April 04, 2014, 12:55:51 PM
Why not? Planning on doing it this Sunday...
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on April 04, 2014, 01:57:09 PM
Why not? Planning on doing it this Sunday...
IIRK most of the factories that actually do the glass blowing are closed on Sundays. Also the most touristy day
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on April 17, 2014, 03:12:52 PM
Anyone ever stay at the Sheraton Padova? Only 7K SPG/night. Any ideas how close it is to "things" and Chabad, Shabbos access, etc?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: emak on April 17, 2014, 03:15:10 PM
I think it's between Milan and Venice, remember passing it on the train. Also if you're  interested, the Maharam M-Padwa is buried there, I think.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on April 17, 2014, 03:20:18 PM
Anyone ever stay at the Sheraton Padova? Only 7K SPG/night. Any ideas how close it is to "things" and Chabad, Shabbos access, etc?
that's not in venice, and I don't believe there is a chabad there. Though if you want to walk over it should only be like 8 hours
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on April 17, 2014, 03:37:55 PM
that's not in venice, and I don't believe there is a chabad there. Though if you want to walk over it should only be like 8 hours
Okayyyyy lol. I guess when you put a city into SPG.com it lists "nearby" hotels. Any ideas besides the Gritti and Danieli? I only have 58K and am there for 4 nights. Should I just forget using SPG here? I have IC also.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on April 17, 2014, 03:43:10 PM
Okayyyyy lol. I guess when you put a city into SPG.com it lists "nearby" hotels. Any ideas besides the Gritti and Danieli? I only have 58K and am there for 4 nights. Should I just forget using SPG here? I have IC also.
for venice i personally think the best option is a cheap apartment on airbnb right near the jewish ghetto
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on April 17, 2014, 04:33:25 PM
for venice i personally think the best option is a cheap apartment on airbnb right near the jewish ghetto
Interesting. I can look into that. Thanks
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: oiseli48 on April 17, 2014, 08:48:07 PM
The Boscolo Venezia, a 7 minute walk from Chabad, can be booked for 30k Marriott points a night. It's a 4 star hotel.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Homeandl on April 17, 2014, 09:01:34 PM
Okayyyyy lol. I guess when you put a city into SPG.com it lists "nearby" hotels. Any ideas besides the Gritti and Danieli? I only have 58K and am there for 4 nights. Should I just forget using SPG here? I have IC also.
Or sell your SPG points, and pay your hotel (to earn new points)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on April 18, 2014, 05:35:13 AM
The Boscolo Venezia, a 7 minute walk from Chabad, can be booked for 30k Marriott points a night. It's a 4 star hotel.
Thanks. I only have 80K Marriott, so that would also only get me 2 nights there. :-/

Or sell your SPG points, and pay your hotel (to earn new points)
If you're on DDF, you must know that using it your points is much more valuable than selling them, right?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SRM on April 28, 2014, 11:59:49 AM
I'm planning on going to Venice this August for about 3 days (landing Friday afternoon and probably leaving Sunday night). I have read through a lot of this thread but I noticed that much of it is old and don't know how much of it holds true. For instance is Murano closed in August? if not is Sunday really so terrible to make a trip out there? Is Gam Gam's still crazy in August and should we do the Gallery instead (for both or one of the meals). What restaurants are currently open in Venice other than Gam Gam's? Any other current information or tips? Also should I try to stay a bit longer or is that enough time in Venice to see the highlights? TIA
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on April 28, 2014, 12:15:11 PM
I'm planning on going to Venice this August for about 3 days (landing Friday afternoon and probably leaving Sunday night). I have read through a lot of this thread but I noticed that much of it is old and don't know how much of it holds true. For instance is Murano closed in August? if not is Sunday really so terrible to make a trip out there? Is Gam Gam's still crazy in August and should we do the Gallery instead (for both or one of the meals). What restaurants are currently open in Venice other than Gam Gam's? Any other current information or tips? Also should I try to stay a bit longer or is that enough time in Venice to see the highlights? TIA
I and others would be glad to answer your questions but you will see yourself getting better and more targeted answers if you only ask one or two questions at  time.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SRM on April 28, 2014, 12:45:30 PM
I and others would be glad to answer your questions but you will see yourself getting better and more targeted answers if you only ask one or two questions at  time.

Thank you!

First question: is Murano closed in August? If not is Sunday a really terrible day to go?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: emak on April 28, 2014, 12:58:42 PM
Thank you!

If not is Sunday a really terrible day to go?
Nope. Was just there on Sunday. Although some of the workshops were closed, there were quite a few open. Also, every store was open, and most of them are nice just to browse through.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SRM on April 28, 2014, 01:00:34 PM
Nope. Was just there on Sunday. Although some of the workshops were closed, there were quite a few open. Also, every store was open, and most of them are nice just to browse through.

Thanks but do you or anyone else have any insight into how it is on Sundays in August in particular?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on April 28, 2014, 01:01:34 PM
Thank you!

First question: is Murano closed in August? If not is Sunday a really terrible day to go?
murano never closes, murano is an inhabited island and there are other things to do there other than watch glassblowing. that being said when i went most off the factories were closed but there were some open. its gonna be touristy whenever you go in the summer although Sunday is definitely known to be the most crowded. if you just want to see glassblowing and not necessarily murano there are a couple local places in  Venice that do it also without the extremely pushy sales people that you will encounter if you take the offers for free boat rides to the island
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SRM on April 28, 2014, 01:02:46 PM
murano never closes, murano is an inhabited island and there are other things to do there other than watch glassblowing. that being said when i went most off the factories were closed but there were some open. its gonna be touristy whenever you go in the summer although Sunday is definitely known to be the most crowded. if you just want to see glassblowing and not necessarily murano there are a couple local places in  Venice that do it also without the extremely pushy sales people that you will encounter if you take the offers for free boat rides to the island

Thank you!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SRM on April 28, 2014, 01:03:54 PM
Next question: What is Gam Gam's like in August? Is it still as crowded in August as it was in the past?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on April 28, 2014, 01:09:48 PM
Next question: What is Gam Gam's like in August? Is it still as crowded in August as it was in the past?
during the week or shabbos? venice isnt getting any less popular
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SRM on April 28, 2014, 01:12:11 PM
during the week or shabbos? venice isnt getting any less popular

Shabbos...and I guess that answers the question :-). Is it unpleasant and should I try to reserve one or both meals in the Gallery (is that more pleasant?)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on April 28, 2014, 01:13:29 PM
Shabbos...and I guess that answers the question :-). Is it unpleasant and should I try to reserve one or both meals in the Gallery (is that more pleasant?)
I'm going in July and reserved the Gallery. I've heard too many stories of people going in the summer and having to wait till the second or third seating on Fri night. I'd rather not have the fuss (especially for only EUR 1 more).
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on April 28, 2014, 01:16:47 PM
Shabbos...and I guess that answers the question :-). Is it unpleasant and should I try to reserve one or both meals in the Gallery (is that more pleasant?)
single or married?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SRM on April 28, 2014, 01:18:01 PM
single or married?

A group of 5 singles.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on April 28, 2014, 01:26:49 PM
A group of 5 singles.
although its gonna be crowded and if your single guys than you will prob have to wait till the 3rd shift, i would still recomend eating by gam gam for the experience. the gallery is a quiet ,nice, sit down no frills meal while by gam gam is where its happening and you meet interesting people
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SRM on April 28, 2014, 01:32:02 PM
although its gonna be crowded and if your single guys than you will prob have to wait till the 3rd shift, i would still recomend eating by gam gam for the experience. the gallery is a quiet ,nice, sit down no frills meal while by gam gam is where its happening and you meet interesting people

Do you suggest both meals at Gam Gam's or is one meal enough for the experience?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SRM on April 28, 2014, 01:32:47 PM
although its gonna be crowded and if your single guys than you will prob have to wait till the 3rd shift, i would still recomend eating by gam gam for the experience. the gallery is a quiet ,nice, sit down no frills meal while by gam gam is where its happening and you meet interesting people

Also if we can do the first seating should we or is that one very rushed? (we are girls)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on April 28, 2014, 01:35:33 PM
Also if we can do the first seating should we or is that one very rushed? (we are girls)
I heard that you can show up to the restaurant early (before davening ends) and try to get a seat, but it's still not guaranteed. Also keep in mind that you can't reserve the Gallery for only one meal. If you want to reserve for 2 meals (Fri night and either lunch or Shalosh Seudos) and experience Gam Gam for the other meal you can do that.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SRM on April 28, 2014, 01:43:02 PM
I heard that you can show up to the restaurant early (before davening ends) and try to get a seat, but it's still not guaranteed. Also keep in mind that you can't reserve the Gallery for only one meal. If you want to reserve for 2 meals (Fri night and either lunch or Shalosh Seudos) and experience Gam Gam for the other meal you can do that.

Thanks
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on April 28, 2014, 01:43:47 PM
Also if we can do the first seating should we or is that one very rushed? (we are girls)
if you are girls then they will seat you first (of course  :D)
also one of the reasons why its a long wait for the single guys is because the ladies who dont go to shul save their husbands seats, so if you get there before davening is over then you will be fine.
the first meals are quicker as they are under a tight schedule but you are free to continue sitting there after, its not what you would expect as the meals tend to get staggered sometimes so its not like everyone is up to the same thing at the same time.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SRM on April 28, 2014, 01:55:20 PM
if you are girls then they will seat you first (of course  :D)
also one of the reasons why its a long wait for the single guys is because the ladies who dont go to shul save their husbands seats, so if you get there before davening is over then you will be fine.
the first meals are quicker as they are under a tight schedule but you are free to continue sitting there after, its not what you would expect as the meals tend to get staggered sometimes so its not like everyone is up to the same thing at the same time.

Great, thanks.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SRM on April 28, 2014, 01:56:28 PM
Has anyone yet eaten in the Gallery that can comment on their experience?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: emak on April 28, 2014, 02:04:12 PM
Was just by Gam Gam, sorry to say was not impressed with the food situation. There was not a whole lot of food served, just basics. Might be worth it to eat in the gallery. Also, I think they seat couples before any singles, girls or guys.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on April 28, 2014, 02:24:13 PM
Was just by Gam Gam, sorry to say was not impressed with the food situation. There was not a whole lot of food served, just basics. Might be worth it to eat in the gallery. Also, I think they seat couples before any singles, girls or guys.
The vast majority don't pay a dime for it. In this case you get more than what you pay for :P
Those that care should pay and reserve of course.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on April 28, 2014, 02:33:04 PM
The vast majority don't pay a dime for it. In this case you get more than what you pay for :P
Those that care should pay and reserve of course.
I was planning on paying, but since i received about three spoonfuls of rice and a drumstick to split with my wife I didn't see the need.
Trust me, if I had known, I would have reserved.
The company was nice, though.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on April 28, 2014, 02:36:35 PM
I was planning on paying, but since i received about three spoonfuls of rice and a drumstick to split with my wife I didn't see the need.
Catch-22 situation.  If anyone actually paid they would be able to afford to feed everyone...
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on April 28, 2014, 02:46:23 PM
Catch-22 situation.  If anyone actually paid they would be able to afford to feed everyone...
I guess that's why the Gallery only costs EUR 1 more than the suggested price for Gam Gam.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on April 28, 2014, 03:04:57 PM
Yup, no-brainer there.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SOS on April 29, 2014, 03:57:17 PM
is there a take out place that i can buy food for shabbos in case gam gam is too full (i plan on going in aug)
it sounds like gam gam is a experience that i shouldn't miss, but i would like a backup plan if i dont get enough food
 
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: emak on May 01, 2014, 01:36:07 PM
No
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: gaossey on May 05, 2014, 04:44:25 PM
Has anyone recently heard back from chabad about Shabbos in the Gallery? I've emailed a few times with no response
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on May 05, 2014, 04:58:19 PM
Has anyone recently heard back from chabad about Shabbos in the Gallery? I've emailed a few times with no response
It took me a good month of sending a few emails to hear back from them. Once we got into a conversation it went quickly.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on May 09, 2014, 05:23:32 PM
What's the nicest hotel within walking distance (10-15 min max) of the Jewish Quarter? Staying over Shabbos.....
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on May 09, 2014, 05:25:27 PM
What's the nicest hotel within walking distance (10-15 min max) of the Jewish Quarter? Staying over Shabbos.....
I saw some nice AirBNB places near by if your interested.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on May 09, 2014, 05:32:07 PM
What's the nicest hotel within walking distance (10-15 min max) of the Jewish Quarter? Staying over Shabbos.....
The very nice hotels (SPGs) are about 20-25 min away, so don't expect those. Otherwise, I'm not sure, but as Yehoshua said, a lot of people suggested AirBNB.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on May 09, 2014, 05:36:56 PM
The very nice hotels (SPGs) are about 20-25 min away, so don't expect those. Otherwise, I'm not sure, but as Yehoshua said, a lot of people suggested AirBNB.
The very nice hotels (SPGs) are about 20-25 min away, so don't expect those. Otherwise, I'm not sure, but as Yehoshua said, a lot of people suggested AirBNB.
I am booking for a couple and they said they would only stay in a Hotel. I did try to convince them as Airbnb has some really nice units.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: emak on May 09, 2014, 05:39:20 PM
I just stayed at a pretty decent hotel, reasonably priced, literally 4 minutes from Gam Gam. Only thing was, it wasn't that Shabbos friendly, due to the electronic door to go in and out of the hotel, although the doorman did help us out with that. It was called the Alei Guglie (I think). PM if you want more details.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on May 09, 2014, 05:39:32 PM
Maybe the Mori D'Oriente
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on May 09, 2014, 06:11:10 PM
Maybe the Mori D'Oriente
Thanks going to take a look.

I just stayed at a pretty decent hotel, reasonably priced, literally 4 minutes from Gam Gam. Only thing was, it wasn't that Shabbos friendly, due to the electronic door to go in and out of the hotel, although the doorman did help us out with that. It was called the Alei Guglie (I think). PM if you want more details.
Does it have tiny rooms? When I was there last I stayed at hotel Principe and it was really tight, even for Europe.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on May 09, 2014, 06:13:55 PM
I just stayed at a pretty decent hotel, reasonably priced, literally 4 minutes from Gam Gam. Only thing was, it wasn't that Shabbos friendly, due to the electronic door to go in and out of the hotel, although the doorman did help us out with that. It was called the Alei Guglie (I think). PM if you want more details.
IIRC very Small rooms
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: emak on May 09, 2014, 06:30:35 PM
Actually, my room was HUGE. wasn't so modern, but it definitely did the job.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on May 10, 2014, 05:29:14 PM
Maybe the Mori D'Oriente
i stayed there as well and was satisfied
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on May 11, 2014, 12:23:31 AM
Maybe the Mori D'Oriente
It's not avail for the dates I need  :(

Seems like many of the hotels are sold out.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: kangarruu on May 11, 2014, 12:45:46 AM
It's not avail for the dates I need  :(

Seems like many of the hotels are sold out.

We rented an apartment across the street from GamGam when we were there last August. It was La città incantata (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/i1z1kuzuvnft9v7/ied82jo4uE). Very nicely arranged duplex with a full kitchen, washer/dryer, and metal keys for Shabbos. We paid 110 Euro per night.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on May 15, 2014, 11:36:40 AM
8 day Europe trip
(I am new to posting tr and am not sure how to post this by the appropriate places. If anyone wants to fix this that would be great.)

We booked our tickets using Amex points with Flying Blue. Business class was 62500 per pp per way. It can be a bit difficult to find availability for 62500 points as the regular price is 150000 but the closer you get to the date you want to leave the easier it gets. you should also keep on checking as availability can change per day.
We left Wednesday evening with KLM from JFK. (Delta services this flight and be aware they close the baggage counters a full hour before the flight. If you com even 2 minutes late you will be bumped fro the flight)
Business class was very nice and quiet. The seats do not lie flat all the way but is was a very comfortable flight. We took along our own pre-wrapped meals from Pomegranate so I cannot say how the meals were on that flight.

Amsterdam
We arrived in Amsterdam where we had a 8 hour layover. As in most of Europe they only accept credit cards with the chip or Euro.
We bought a round trip train ticket which leaves on a speed train directly from the airport to the grand central station. From there we decided to walk instead of taking the trams since it was a nice weather and it is the best way to see the city. The streets and canals are beautiful and the architecture is very old and it is interesting just too look and walk around.
We walked to Dam Square where they have the castle and a Ferris Wheel and other rides. Then we went to look at the flower market which was very beautiful. This is about a half hour walk from the train station.
The Portuguese Synagogue is a 10 minute walk from the flower market and is a must see. They have a treasure chamber in the basement with old silver and Torah Scrolls that are hundreds of years old.
From there we took a tram to Sal Meijer to get some sandwiches. The Rhye train station is right there and we took a speed train directly to the airport. The way took about 15 minutes.


Venice
We arrives in Venice at around 11:00. We took a public water taxi which is only 12 Euro but the way ended up taking about an hour and 40 minutes. We used our SPG points to book the Westin Europa Regina which was very beautiful. The service was great and the concierge was extremely helpful.
We arrived at the stop in San Marco square which is very close to our hotel but we had a very difficult time finding it. the address numbers are random and do not follow a particular order. We called the hotel a few times and still couldn't find it until someone from the front desk came to meet us. (you need to walk through 2 alleys to find the hotel) If we had taken the more expensive private water taxi which is about 100 euro it would have taken us directly to the hotel dock and it only takes about 30 minutes.
Friday was raining pretty heavily but we didnt let is stop us.
We bought a full day pass for the vaporetto (water taxi) to Gam Gam treats for pizza. The ride took about 40 minutes but it was actually very nice since we got to see the sights from the water. The pizza and sandwiches are amazing and the Pizza rivaled the pizza we get in Brooklyn.
We took a vaporetto to Muran where you can see the glass creations made by the factories. We were not able to see and factories doing the actual work, it was only available for tour groups.
From there we took the vaporetto to Burano which is a very pretty island with very colorful houses. The vaporetto then took us back to San Marco square.
San Marco square is a huge square with a famous church and clock tower. It is full of tourists feeding birds and street people trying to sell you things. There are bands that play from the restaurants sometimes and many people come to enjoy the free show.
The Rialto bridge is one of the most famous attractions in Venice and little shops line the bridge.
We booked the Shabbos meals in Gam Gam in the Gallery. the price is 72 euro pp for 3 meals and you have a reserved table where you get served by waiters. The food and wine was delicious and it was very interesting meeting people from all over the world. There is a minyan in Chabad and there is another in the Spanish Shul although you need to register in advance and bring photo ID to be admitted.
We took a gondola ride on Motze Shabbos and it was beautiful and worth it. We paid 80 euro for about 40 minutes.
On Sunday we went back to Gam Gam for brunch and then we toured the old jewish ghetto. You pay admission and there is a tour guide that takes you around to 3 old shuls that were built in the 1500s. It was really interesting and well worth the hour it takes.
We then took a private water taxi to the airport and flew to Prague on Air One.


Prague

We arrived in Prague at about 8 and took a taxi to the Sheraton. We are gold members and found our room to be very nice and quite larger than the one in Venice.
Chabad has 2 restaurants, Shelanu pizza and Shelanu grill. the Grill is very nicely decorated and the food is delicious. There i a bit of a wait until the food arrives but otherwise the service was great and the food was delicious and comparable to many other restaurants in NY.
Since Prague does not have the Euro most things are significantly cheaper than the rest of Europe.
Monday morning we went to see the Municipal house and then walked to the Astronomical Clock. We went to the observatory and then watched the clock show. It takes about 2 minutes and is nothing special.
We then went to get breakfast at the pizza shop. It is located right near the entrance to the Old Ghetto. We bought 1 ticket and toured the cemetery and about 6 old shuls and the museum.
We finished at around 6 and we then took a boat ride at Charles Bridge. We used the Prague Venice Boat and it was an old fashioned wooden boat. you get a free drink and the ride is narrated. It took about 45 minutes and was a nice way to see the different sights.
Tuesday we arrived at Prague castle at noon for the changing of the guards. We couldnt see the whole thing since people arrive very early to save a place. We bought a ticket for the palace and golden lane. The grounds are huge and it takes a few hours to walk around and see everything. the gardens are beautiful and it takes quite a while to walk through them.
We took a taxi to Petrin tower and went to the top to enjoy the view.
On Wednesday we went to Terezin concentration camp. There is a bus that takes about an hour that leaves from the train station. We had a bit of a hard time finding it but it is located inside the train station.
Terezin is huge and has a small fortress, crematoriums, old shul and museums. It takes about 5 hours to go through everything. We then took the bus back to Prague.


Paris

Thursday morning we booked our return flight on Air France. We had a 7 hour stopover in Paris. We took a train directly from the airport to Notre dame which is about a 15 minute walk to La Marais which is the Jewish quarter. It was raining slightly but we still saw huge lines by the falafel store and people were standing under their umbrellas eating falafel on the street. We walked around and then ate lunch at Pizman.  The food was really great. We saw the shul which is next door to the pizza shop which is about 100 years old.
We then walked back to Notre Dame and took an hour boat ride around Paris. It was narrated and we got very close to the Eiffel Towers and we saw other famous sights from the water.
We took the train back to the airport. The ride takes about 30-45 minutes.
We flew home Air France business. the plane was very big and their were about 49 seats in business so it was not that quiet. The seats do lay flat and were pretty comfortable although they were a bit narrower than the ones on KLM.
The food was horrible and luckily we had taken along some food for the way.
Nice TR!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: penina on May 15, 2014, 04:25:58 PM
thanks. Im not sure I posted it in the right place though
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on May 15, 2014, 04:26:51 PM
thanks. Im not sure I posted it in the right place though
It's fine here.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on May 15, 2014, 04:49:28 PM
It's fine here.
But you could add the specific places to those threads as well. Would help other people in the future.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on May 15, 2014, 05:01:46 PM
But you could add the specific places to those threads as well. Would help other people in the future.
+1
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on May 15, 2014, 05:10:43 PM
After reading pretty much all the TRs, I wanted to put together a list of things to do on a Friday.  Assuming we'll spend shabbos walking around the different neighborhoods, I wanted activities that can't be done then.

Reviews about Murano are mixed, with most people saying it's not too exciting. Is it worth seeing or skipping?

Burano seems kinda far from town. Is it a worthwhile island to visit?

Listening to an orchestra in P. San Marco seems to be a great idea. Is it worth it to do this on Thursday evening or save it for shabbos?

The vaporetti seem to be the cheapest way to get around the city besides walking.  Is a 12-hour pass for the vaporetto worth it at 18EUR for Friday if we visit the outer islands?

It looks like there are two ways to get from the Westin to Gam Gam (dairy or meat) in the Ghetto area. Walking looks like it takes about a half an hour while the vaporetto takes slightly longer.  Besides for shabbos (obviously), what is best way to get between the two?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on May 15, 2014, 05:12:49 PM
We walked to Gam Gam. It didnt feel that long. The walk is exciting.
You can get a free ride to Murano from the Westin.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on May 15, 2014, 05:14:14 PM
We walked to Gam Gam. It didnt feel that long. The walk is exciting.
You can get a free ride to Murano from the Westin.
What about Burano? Have you been there?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on May 15, 2014, 05:16:23 PM
What about Burano? Have you been there?
No. I didn't have the time. It looks beautiful as well. How many days are you there again?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on May 15, 2014, 05:21:16 PM
No. I didn't have the time. It looks beautiful as well. How many days are you there again?
Thursday afternoon-Sunday morning.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Jb93davis on May 15, 2014, 05:31:01 PM
After reading pretty much all the TRs, I wanted to put together a list of things to do on a Friday.  Assuming we'll spend shabbos walking around the different neighborhoods, I wanted activities that can't be done then.

Reviews about Murano are mixed, with most people saying it's not too exciting. Is it worth seeing or skipping?

Burano seems kinda far from town. Is it a worthwhile island to visit?

Listening to an orchestra in P. San Marco seems to be a great idea. Is it worth it to do this on Thursday evening or save it for shabbos?

The vaporetti seem to be the cheapest way to get around the city besides walking.  Is a 12-hour pass for the vaporetto worth it at 18EUR for Friday if we visit the outer islands?

It looks like there are two ways to get from the Westin to Gam Gam (dairy or meat) in the Ghetto area. Walking looks like it takes about a half an hour while the vaporetto takes slightly longer.  Besides for shabbos (obviously), what is best way to get between the two?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

My first thing is: traveling in italy has so much to do with the atmosphere and culture. If you arent into that so much (which is totally reasonable), my opinion may not be as helpful. I personally didnt know I was until I went :)

1) I havent seen the island itself while walking around but I saw a demonstration of the glass blowing in a small shop. I thought it was very neat and worthwhile. keep in mind the room with the demonstration is very hot because of the kiln (not unbearable but uncomfortable). Its neat to look in their shops. If youre interested (or convince them youre interested), most shops have an upstairs where the "real" shoppers go. But for a few bucks, you can get some cufflinks to remember your trip or for around 200-500 you can get a small vase to medium sized bowl.  Murano is one of the glass capitals of the world so its neat to say you know where it is and what they do. Im going this summer so I plan on doing a walk around the island so Ill be of more help with the island itself then. 

2) Burano and Murano are basically one trip. I can definitively say that Burano is well worth just to see one of the most beautiful and quaint towns imaginable. It was easily a top 3 highlight from my trip last summer. Its known for its lace and when I was there, people with me were able to get some pretty good deals (and especially while bargaining even though the italians are a resilient bunch). Just meander through the streets and see whats its like. grab a drink from the fountains (I think it was safe to drink:) based on what others were doing). and take a lot of pictures. If you ever wonder where they get screensaver pictures from, just go to burano and youll see...and Ill admit, theres something gratifying to having taken your screensaver picture (most people dont believe its real when they see it)

3)I would save the orchestra for shabbos but dont get the wrong idea: most of these are bands of 4-6 pieces and they play outside the restaurant. Theres seats and stuff. I havent spent shabbos there but I plan to this summer. I think with the long summer days, you might as well relax out there and enjoy the people watching as well.

4) no info on transportation besides my sore feet! lots of walking but well worth it. I guess it might be nice to spend some time on the water though.

5) If you want to get distracted and do some shopping, just walk it (but stay on the east side of the canal. I think theres less on the other side). If youre done with shopping, walking, and meandering :), just take a cab (be careful though, I fell asleep on my boat and missed a stop:)) Dont know specifics from the westin though. I just went from St marco square
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on May 15, 2014, 05:43:08 PM
burano is nice if you have the time
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on May 15, 2014, 06:56:09 PM
My first thing is: traveling in italy has so much to do with the atmosphere and culture. If you arent into that so much (which is totally reasonable), my opinion may not be as helpful. I personally didnt know I was until I went :)

1) I havent seen the island itself while walking around but I saw a demonstration of the glass blowing in a small shop. I thought it was very neat and worthwhile. keep in mind the room with the demonstration is very hot because of the kiln (not unbearable but uncomfortable). Its neat to look in their shops. If youre interested (or convince them youre interested), most shops have an upstairs where the "real" shoppers go. But for a few bucks, you can get some cufflinks to remember your trip or for around 200-500 you can get a small vase to medium sized bowl.  Murano is one of the glass capitals of the world so its neat to say you know where it is and what they do. Im going this summer so I plan on doing a walk around the island so Ill be of more help with the island itself then. 

2) Burano and Murano are basically one trip. I can definitively say that Burano is well worth just to see one of the most beautiful and quaint towns imaginable. It was easily a top 3 highlight from my trip last summer. Its known for its lace and when I was there, people with me were able to get some pretty good deals (and especially while bargaining even though the italians are a resilient bunch). Just meander through the streets and see whats its like. grab a drink from the fountains (I think it was safe to drink:) based on what others were doing). and take a lot of pictures. If you ever wonder where they get screensaver pictures from, just go to burano and youll see...and Ill admit, theres something gratifying to having taken your screensaver picture (most people dont believe its real when they see it)

3)I would save the orchestra for shabbos but dont get the wrong idea: most of these are bands of 4-6 pieces and they play outside the restaurant. Theres seats and stuff. I havent spent shabbos there but I plan to this summer. I think with the long summer days, you might as well relax out there and enjoy the people watching as well.

4) no info on transportation besides my sore feet! lots of walking but well worth it. I guess it might be nice to spend some time on the water though.

5) If you want to get distracted and do some shopping, just walk it (but stay on the east side of the canal. I think theres less on the other side). If youre done with shopping, walking, and meandering :), just take a cab (be careful though, I fell asleep on my boat and missed a stop:)) Dont know specifics from the westin though. I just went from St marco square
Excellent post! Thanks for the advice. I'll strongly consider it.

If we'll save the 'bands' in St. Marco's square for shabbos I guess we can go on Thursday to take pictures of the square and the surrounding areas maybe as we walk to gam gam for dinner.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on May 15, 2014, 06:56:37 PM
burano is nice if you have the time
I think a full Friday should be enough to do Murano and Burano, no?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on May 15, 2014, 06:59:55 PM
I think a full Friday should be enough to do Murano and Burano, no?

Just because its enough time doesn't mean you should. Might rather have that time in Venice.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on May 15, 2014, 07:01:15 PM
Just because its enough time doesn't mean you should. Might rather have that time in Venice.
True. What would you recommend in Venice that I might miss if I go there? I get the impression that I'll see a lot of Venice walking to and from Gam Gam and walking on shabbos.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: penina on May 15, 2014, 07:36:29 PM
Just because its enough time doesn't mean you should. Might rather have that time in Venice.
yes it is. There is nothing to do in Burano besides look at the houses so I wouldn't stay too long
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: penina on May 15, 2014, 07:37:09 PM
But you could add the specific places to those threads as well. Would help other people in the future.
will do that.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on May 15, 2014, 07:37:56 PM
Trying to make a reservation for the Gallery for Shabbos but they are not responding. Is there a number to call or perhaps can I make a reservation on arrival Thursday afternoon?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: penina on May 15, 2014, 07:44:48 PM
After reading pretty much all the TRs, I wanted to put together a list of things to do on a Friday.  Assuming we'll spend shabbos walking around the different neighborhoods, I wanted activities that can't be done then.

Reviews about Murano are mixed, with most people saying it's not too exciting. Is it worth seeing or skipping?

Burano seems kinda far from town. Is it a worthwhile island to visit?

Listening to an orchestra in P. San Marco seems to be a great idea. Is it worth it to do this on Thursday evening or save it for shabbos?

The vaporetti seem to be the cheapest way to get around the city besides walking.  Is a 12-hour pass for the vaporetto worth it at 18EUR for Friday if we visit the outer islands?

It looks like there are two ways to get from the Westin to Gam Gam (dairy or meat) in the Ghetto area. Walking looks like it takes about a half an hour while the vaporetto takes slightly longer.  Besides for shabbos (obviously), what is best way to get between the two?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

we found walking to gam gam a lot faster. Once you know the way it can take 20-25 min.
Murano has some interesting galleries its nice to look at. You can also get jewelry and trinkets and they are pretty cheap.
We took a boat from murano to burano It took about 20minutes. Then you can take the boat back to San Marco.
I would recommend the vaporetto full day pass since you can use it to go to all the islands and it can be used for both ways.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on May 15, 2014, 07:45:10 PM
Trying to make a reservation for the Gallery for Shabbos but they are not responding. Is there a number to call or perhaps can I make a reservation on arrival Thursday afternoon?
PM me for the email address I used. I wouldn't wait until you arrive to make a reservation as they sell out in the summer.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on May 15, 2014, 07:46:35 PM
we found walking to gam gam a lot faster. Once you know the way it can take 20-25 min.
Murano has some interesting galleries its nice to look at. You can also get jewelry and trinkets and they are pretty cheap.
We took a boat from murano to burano It took about 20minutes. Then you can take the boat back to San Marco.
I would recommend the vaporetto full day pass since you can use it to go to all the islands and it can be used for both ways.
How did you figure out the way to Gam Gam?

Did you get the 12 hour vaporetto pass or the 24 hour pass?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: penina on May 15, 2014, 07:47:18 PM
Just because its enough time doesn't mean you should. Might rather have that time in Venice.
if you walk  to gam gam you will be spending a lot or time in the streets of venice
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: penina on May 15, 2014, 07:49:07 PM
How did you figure out the way to Gam Gam?

Did you get the 12 hour vaporetto pass or the 24 hour pass?
Just the 12 since we walked back Motze shabbos. The way is pretty simple the concierge showed it to us on a map
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on May 15, 2014, 08:58:25 PM
How did you figure out the way to Gam Gam?
You can print GMaps directions if you're nervous though you won't need it after the first time.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on May 15, 2014, 09:00:05 PM
You can print GMaps directions if you're nervous though you won't need it after the first time.
True, and with free data from T-Mobile I can just navigate with my phone. I wonder if 2G speeds is enough for GPS navigation?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on May 15, 2014, 09:45:33 PM
True, and with free data from T-Mobile I can just navigate with my phone. I wonder if 2G speeds is enough for GPS navigation?
Exactly. First time going should be during the week for you. I don't arrive @ Venice till Friday, so I'm not sure if we'll go before Shabbos. Perhaps we will since we won't have any food with us.

I believe ppl have said in the Intl SIM thread that Tmobile was just fine for GPS. I plan on using it for my car rentals.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on May 15, 2014, 10:17:01 PM
I plan on using it for my car rentals.
  Me too
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: emak on May 15, 2014, 11:20:54 PM
You should definitely go to the square during the week so u can check out the Doge's Palace. A definite must-see, gorgeous.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Jb93davis on May 15, 2014, 11:43:39 PM

True, and with free data from T-Mobile I can just navigate with my phone. I wonder if 2G speeds is enough for GPS navigation?

Someone tell me if I'm wrong but iPhones (and maybe other smartphones) have built in gps even globally. Just download an online map. Personal favorite is trip advisor city guides. Top notch
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on May 15, 2014, 11:48:52 PM
Unless you have a Nokia Lumia your phone with a GPS needs data to work.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Jb93davis on May 15, 2014, 11:51:50 PM

Unless you have a Nokia Lumia your phone with a GPS needs data to work.

I talked to Att international and they assured me there was no data used with just the gps location data. That doesn't mean you will get map loaded on your phone for free. It just means the blue for will show up on the screen in the right place.
I had my cellular, roaming and let turned off and I was able to navigate in Paris and Israel. This was on Att. Maybe te hardware is different for different carriers
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on May 15, 2014, 11:52:49 PM
Someone tell me if I'm wrong but iPhones (and maybe other smartphones) have built in gps even globally. Just download an online map. Personal favorite is trip advisor city guides. Top notch
Android also has offline maps and build in GPS, but it's good to have data just in case you don't have all the maps saved in Google Maps or another maps program.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on May 16, 2014, 08:46:34 AM
Unless you have a Nokia Lumia your phone with a GPS needs data to work.
absolutely not true
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on May 16, 2014, 08:46:48 AM
I think a full Friday should be enough to do Murano and Burano, no?
i believe so
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on May 16, 2014, 09:26:14 AM
absolutely not true
I didn't have data in South America and GPS worked fine for offline maps.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: moish on May 16, 2014, 12:07:53 PM
I didn't have data in South America and GPS worked fine for offline maps.
so you agree with me
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on May 16, 2014, 12:21:24 PM
so you agree with me
Correct.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: kivabb on May 16, 2014, 12:45:06 PM
You won't need more than 1-2 hours in Murano either and if you're going with the wife you can get her beautiful necklace made from blown glass that she will love for under $100.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on May 16, 2014, 12:49:13 PM
Beautiful cufflinks in Murano as well.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on May 16, 2014, 12:53:38 PM
Beautiful cufflinks in Murano as well.
and SHE can buy YOU those ;)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on May 16, 2014, 01:11:50 PM
Beautiful cufflinks in Murano as well.


and SHE can buy YOU those ;)
Too bad I don't have cufflink accepting (French cuff) shirts. But the necklace idea for her is good.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on May 16, 2014, 01:29:47 PM
Too bad I don't have cufflink accepting (French cuff) shirts. But the necklace idea for her is good.
Time to buy one :D
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on May 16, 2014, 01:30:48 PM
Time to buy one :D
Not a big fan. I used to have a few but I stopped wearing them a while back.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: penina on May 16, 2014, 03:41:14 PM
You won't need more than 1-2 hours in Murano either and if you're going with the wife you can get her beautiful necklace made from blown glass that she will love for under $100.
there were some pretty earrings too
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on May 16, 2014, 03:41:55 PM
there were some pretty earrings too
I'll keep that in mind  :)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on May 16, 2014, 04:45:38 PM
The Boscolo Venezia, a 7 minute walk from Chabad, can be booked for 30k Marriott points a night. It's a 4 star hotel.
This is random, but just looked at the hotel, it's 40K/night. Won't work for my dates anyway, but just figured I'd update the points needed.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: nuko on May 22, 2014, 05:03:35 AM
Just stayed at Gritti Palace for 1 night, 2 days in Venice before heading to Israel. Here is my trip report:

We arrived at 11am after a whole night flying with a stopover in Madrid on Iberia airlines. There were no shared taxis available (one just left) so we splurged on the private water taxi (110 e). I had not realized that the Alilaguna added a stop right around corner from Gritti Palace or would have taken that for 16e each (which we did on the way back).

Arrived at hotel within 25 min. Driver offered us more scenic route for additional 30e but we declined. The hotel is incredible. Reception spend 30 minutes with us reviewing all our options and touring the location. Offered us multiple rooms and were accommodative in every way imaginable. I should also mention they exchange money for you at a GREAT exchange price. I didn't get more than .7e/dollar anywhere except for credit card but the hotel gave over .73

We spent first day walking streets of venice and getting completely lost. Amazing city. After 1.5 hours we found gam gam (could be 30 minute walk if you know where you're going or 15 min ride on vaporetto). We ate at the pizza place around corner. No benches, so we brought food to park in jewish quarter which is a block or two away. Then we took gam gam fleishig to go (i.e. "Take away" in Venetian parlance) to bring back to our hotel. The shwarma was a but messy to take to go. If bagging it better stick to shnitzel and fries. On our walk back we stopped at a store that provides feet massages with fish. You literally stick your feet in a fish bowl and the Turkish fish eat your dead skin. It was an interesting experience and not too costly (10e for 10min - can do longer if you wish)

When night came we figured we'd bring our food to San Marco square. That didn't turn out so well because none of the restaurants with chairs and tables would allow us to eat our own food EVEN though we were happy to pay the opera fee and buy drinks. There were also lots of aggressive people trying to give my wife roses and then make me pay for it. So we brought our food back to hotel...great decision. They let us sit in outside bar overlooking the canal as long as we bought drinks. Even better, as SPG Gold, they gave us choice of 15e credit at bar or 250 starpoints so drinks were almost free.

Second day we woke up very late exhausted from all the jet lag and walking. I asked concierge about murano and he offered to charter me a free private boat from factory. Although I was skeptical based on what I read here that I was walking in to a sales trap I took it. It was a great decision. The glass factory was called Cenedese and is one of the high end factories. The ride cost us nothing and they showed us a demo and their impressive showroom of muran glass with some pieces worth tens of thousands of dollars. No expectation of purchase. They were even kind enough to drop us off on northern side of venice so we could go straight to jewish ghetto.

At ghetto we took a tour of synagogues. Tour is every hour on the :30 so we ate pizza first then went at 2:30. It was 40 min and about 10e each. Nothing amazing but worthwhile.

Then we took a gondola ride. Pricing during day is 80e for 40 min which is set by the city. The driver was willing to do 60e for 30min which was well worth it in my opinion - resting our tired legs. Picked up gam gam to go and got lost walking back which was fun...up to a point. Bought a leather bag for 140e that would've cost $400+ in the states. Arrived at hotel at 6:30, got our luggage from storage and hopped on Alilaguna around corner at 6:48 (they come every half hour - other option was :18 at this stop). Ride to airport was 1 hour - but we were one of first stops so took lots of time. Not sure if its quicker coming from airport.

Headed to elal and after intensive security check...much more so than in NY...we headed to gate and off to eretz yisrael!

Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Joe4007 on May 22, 2014, 07:43:46 AM
Nice report. Thanks.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: sruly101 on May 22, 2014, 08:12:34 AM
How much SPG points is there a night at the Gritti Palace?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on May 22, 2014, 08:30:42 AM
Bought a leather bag for 140e that would've cost $400+ in the states.
From one If those black market street vendors? I hope the bidding started many times higher than that
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: nuko on May 22, 2014, 08:50:03 AM
Points were 32,500
I bought it from a merchant in a storefront. It is real.
Though I was surprised to see how many street vendors there were hawking fake merchandise. It is so blatant and little police presence. Also lots of guys smacking down some kid toy that splats and then reconfigures itself. I told my wife they must be some crime network b/c not one of them made a sale.
There was one time where two cops were walking over the Rialto bridge and the vendors scurried away with their stuff
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on May 22, 2014, 08:52:19 AM
Heh. I got scared that you paid 140e for a 10e bag :)
Nice report.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on May 22, 2014, 09:23:47 AM
Does Gam Gam make early Shabbos this time of year?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on May 22, 2014, 10:54:25 AM
Just stayed at Gritti Palace for 1 night, 2 days in Venice before heading to Israel. Here is my trip report:

We arrived at 11am after a whole night flying with a stopover in Madrid on Iberia airlines. There were no shared taxis available (one just left) so we splurged on the private water taxi (110 e). I had not realized that the Alilaguna added a stop right around corner from Gritti Palace or would have taken that for 16e each (which we did on the way back).

Arrived at hotel within 25 min. Driver offered us more scenic route for additional 30e but we declined. The hotel is incredible. Reception spend 30 minutes with us reviewing all our options and touring the location. Offered us multiple rooms and were accommodative in every way imaginable. I should also mention they exchange money for you at a GREAT exchange price. I didn't get more than .7e/dollar anywhere except for credit card but the hotel gave over .73

We spent first day walking streets of venice and getting completely lost. Amazing city. After 1.5 hours we found gam gam (could be 30 minute walk if you know where you're going or 15 min ride on vaporetto). We ate at the pizza place around corner. No benches, so we brought food to park in jewish quarter which is a block or two away. Then we took gam gam fleishig to go (i.e. "Take away" in Venetian parlance) to bring back to our hotel. The shwarma was a but messy to take to go. If bagging it better stick to shnitzel and fries. On our walk back we stopped at a store that provides feet massages with fish. You literally stick your feet in a fish bowl and the Turkish fish eat your dead skin. It was an interesting experience and not too costly (10e for 10min - can do longer if you wish)

When night came we figured we'd bring our food to San Marco square. That didn't turn out so well because none of the restaurants with chairs and tables would allow us to eat our own food EVEN though we were happy to pay the opera fee and buy drinks. There were also lots of aggressive people trying to give my wife roses and then make me pay for it. So we brought our food back to hotel...great decision. They let us sit in outside bar overlooking the canal as long as we bought drinks. Even better, as SPG Gold, they gave us choice of 15e credit at bar or 250 starpoints so drinks were almost free.

Second day we woke up very late exhausted from all the jet lag and walking. I asked concierge about murano and he offered to charter me a free private boat from factory. Although I was skeptical based on what I read here that I was walking in to a sales trap I took it. It was a great decision. The glass factory was called Cenedese and is one of the high end factories. The ride cost us nothing and they showed us a demo and their impressive showroom of muran glass with some pieces worth tens of thousands of dollars. No expectation of purchase. They were even kind enough to drop us off on northern side of venice so we could go straight to jewish ghetto.

At ghetto we took a tour of synagogues. Tour is every hour on the :30 so we ate pizza first then went at 2:30. It was 40 min and about 10e each. Nothing amazing but worthwhile.

Then we took a gondola ride. Pricing during day is 80e for 40 min which is set by the city. The driver was willing to do 60e for 30min which was well worth it in my opinion - resting our tired legs. Picked up gam gam to go and got lost walking back which was fun...up to a point. Bought a leather bag for 140e that would've cost $400+ in the states. Arrived at hotel at 6:30, got our luggage from storage and hopped on Alilaguna around corner at 6:48 (they come every half hour - other option was :18 at this stop). Ride to airport was 1 hour - but we were one of first stops so took lots of time. Not sure if its quicker coming from airport.

Headed to elal and after intensive security check...much more so than in NY...we headed to gate and off to eretz yisrael!
Nice report. Thanks for the tips.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: penina on May 22, 2014, 05:08:26 PM
Does Gam Gam make early Shabbos this time of year?
was there 2 weeks ago and they did not. Chabads davening actually takes quite long so meal is pretty late
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on May 22, 2014, 05:27:08 PM
was there 2 weeks ago and they did not. Chabads davening actually takes quite long so meal is pretty late
I heard there was an option for early shabbos in the summer. Maybe it was at the Gallery?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SOS on May 22, 2014, 11:50:37 PM
If gam gam offers an early shabbos option, I assume that I should go then so that there should be enough food
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: penina on May 23, 2014, 12:15:57 AM
I heard there was an option for early shabbos in the summer. Maybe it was at the Gallery?
the gallery has waiters and they serve you whenever you show up
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: penina on May 23, 2014, 12:16:29 AM
If gam gam offers an early shabbos option, I assume that I should go then so that there should be enough food
If you reserve the gallery there will be food set aside for you
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on May 23, 2014, 12:59:15 AM
Has anyone had luck getting a Gallery reservation once they arrived? Like Thursday night?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: oiseli48 on May 23, 2014, 01:49:16 AM

Has anyone had luck getting a Gallery reservation once they arrived? Like Thursday night?

I showed up to Gam Gam friday night with my wife and baby, to see the place packed and nowhere to sit. Rami sent us to the Gallery without a reservation. But this was February, quiet season.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on May 23, 2014, 01:50:23 AM
I showed up to Gam Gam friday night with my wife and baby, to see the place packed and nowhere to sit. Rami sent us to the Gallery without a reservation. But this was February, quiet season.
Just curious, where exactly is the Gallery? I have reservations but I don't know where to go.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Srsy on May 23, 2014, 07:49:56 AM
How do I make reservations for the gallery for Shabbos?  Who do I e-mail?  Whoever I tried to email never responded.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SRM on May 23, 2014, 08:31:55 AM
How do I make reservations for the gallery for Shabbos?  Who do I e-mail?  Whoever I tried to email never responded.

Same question. I emailed and never got a response. Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on May 23, 2014, 10:48:54 AM
Same question. I emailed and never got a response. Any suggestions?
Just keep sending emails. It took me a good 2 weeks or so to hear back.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on May 23, 2014, 10:49:15 AM
Just curious, where exactly is the Gallery? I have reservations but I don't know where to go.
bump?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: gaossey on May 23, 2014, 11:15:34 AM
I got a response after three weeks of emailing. Just keep trying. I emailed info@jewishvenice.org
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: penina on May 23, 2014, 01:27:20 PM
Just curious, where exactly is the Gallery? I have reservations but I don't know where to go.
The gallery is right near Gam Gam Pizza
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on May 23, 2014, 01:33:04 PM
The gallery is right near Gam Gam Pizza
Thanks. How do you find out when davening/ candle lighting is?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: oiseli48 on May 23, 2014, 01:35:14 PM
There will be a sign on the restaurant and Chabad house
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on May 23, 2014, 01:48:13 PM
There will be a sign on the restaurant and Chabad house
Will it mention early shabbos if there's that option?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Srsy on May 25, 2014, 01:19:18 AM
How much time do you need in Murano and Burano?  Are you better off going on a Friday or Sunday?  And what is the best way to get there?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SOS on May 25, 2014, 02:28:57 AM
Do any of the hotels have any options for a late checkout motzei shabbos? Is it even a option on a point stay?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: penina on May 25, 2014, 04:59:41 AM
How much time do you need in Murano and Burano?  Are you better off going on a Friday or Sunday?  And what is the best way to get there?
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Burano you don't need that much time. Half hour is perfect. Murano depends if your shopping for something or just looking around. I did hear that some glass factories close early on sunday
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: nathin on May 29, 2014, 12:34:20 AM
Hi,

I'm planning to be in Venice for a weekend in august.

Any ideas for hotel, attractions, shabbos meal-minyan, transportation...

Thanks a lot!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on May 29, 2014, 12:39:14 AM
Hi,

I'm planning to be in Venice for a weekend in august.

Any ideas for hotel, attractions, shabbos meal-minyan, transportation...

Thanks a lot!
Welcome to the forums! It is customary to read through the thread before asking questions. If the thread is long it may have a wiki at the beginning to answer commonly asked questions. But because I'm nice...

Hotels depend on what points you have or how much you want to spend.
Chabad offers shabbos meals at Gam Gam.
There are a few shuls including chabad with daily minyanim.
Vaporetto (water bus) and walking are the two main modes of transportation.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: penina on May 29, 2014, 02:18:47 AM
How much time do you need in Murano and Burano?  Are you better off going on a Friday or Sunday?  And what is the best way to get there?

water taxi. it depends on how many factories you want to visit in Murano. Burano not too long
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: nathin on May 29, 2014, 09:43:48 AM
Welcome to the forums! It is customary to read through the thread before asking questions. If the thread is long it may have a wiki at the beginning to answer commonly asked questions. But because I'm nice...

Hotels depend on what points you have or how much you want to spend.
Chabad offers shabbos meals at Gam Gam.
There are a few shuls including chabad with daily minyanim.
Vaporetto (water bus) and walking are the two main modes of transportation.


i have spg points and marriottt at the moment i am gold by spg and silver by marriottt
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on May 30, 2014, 11:14:54 AM
Interesting. I think I want to go. What do you plan to do in the square, just walk around or get a tour?
Taking care of all that now. The 10€ deal is awesome! A 4.5 hour trip to Murano and Burano by Venice is just 25€ pp with the deal. Will probably be using Musement for most of my non-Jewish tours.
Do you think this trip is doable on a Friday? Getting back at 7:00pm might be a little close to shabbos, depending on when shabbos starts.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on May 30, 2014, 01:12:15 PM
Do you think this trip is doable on a Friday? Getting back at 7:00pm might be a little close to shabbos, depending on when shabbos starts.
MyZmanim says candle lighting is 8:44 that day. Assuming things are off by a half hour, you're back in Venice by 7:30 and have to walk back to your hotel shower/change and walk to Chabad. Kinda pushing it... Can't go on a different day?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on May 30, 2014, 01:38:50 PM
MyZmanim says candle lighting is 8:44 that day. Assuming things are off by a half hour, you're back in Venice by 7:30 and have to walk back to your hotel shower/change and walk to Chabad. Kinda pushing it... Can't go on a different day?
I saw the zmanim, but I wasn't sure if it was pushing it too much. We're only in Venice Thursday afternoon (landing at 1:30p) through Sunday morning, so no.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on May 30, 2014, 01:54:41 PM
I saw the zmanim, but I wasn't sure if it was pushing it too much. We're only in Venice Thursday afternoon (landing at 1:30p) through Sunday morning, so no.
Ah, well if you start getting ready for Shabbos beforehand, and see how far your hotel is from the "dock" perhaps you can just run back to the hotel, change and run to shul... maybe? lol
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on May 30, 2014, 01:57:39 PM
Ah, well if you start getting ready for Shabbos beforehand, and see how far your hotel is from the "dock" perhaps you can just run back to the hotel, change and run to shul... maybe? lol
True. I assume they leave from St. Marks square, but I didn't see exactly where on their site. I'd also be more ok with "running to shul" than my wife.  The other thing is can't you get a free boat ride to Burano from different glass places and take a vaporetto from their to Murano for a lot cheaper?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on May 30, 2014, 02:17:56 PM
True. I assume they leave from St. Marks square, but I didn't see exactly where on their site. I'd also be more ok with "running to shul" than my wife.  The other thing is can't you get a free boat ride to Burano from different glass places and take a vaporetto from their to Murano for a lot cheaper?
Maybe, I'm not up to Venice yet ;)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on May 30, 2014, 03:33:43 PM
Has anyone heard of the 3 day youth card: Rolling Venice (http://www.veneziaunica.it/en/content/tourist-travel-cards)?   It's only 20 EUR for 72 hours if you're 14-29. It looks like you can only buy it at the Hellovenezia ticket offices while there, but if looks like a good idea if you plan on taking vaporetti around the city (it won't work to the airport).

Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on June 02, 2014, 10:52:28 AM
Ok, I lied. I did not read through the entire thread. Read the first 250 posts, then realized I was seeing repetitive info + outdated info.
Read the last 250 posts - basically everything since Jan 1 and now have some Q's.

I'm in Venice for Friday afternoon through Tuesday evening. Yes, I know that's WAY more time than people suggest, but I had the room to play with, and it's FREAKING VENICE!

1) Doge's Palace - Did you take a tour or just go yourself? Tour is 23€ pp with the Musement deal or 13.50€ for a "Secret Itineraries" (http://www.musement.com/en/venice/doge-s-palace-secret-itineraries-tour-in-english_tickets) tour (which seems like it's just a special tour but does not cover the general aspect of Doge's). Any thoughts?

2) Gondola - there's a Musement offer for 31€ (I assume it's pp) with a serenade. I think it's a 1/2 hour. Is that a good deal?

3) Murano/Burano - Musement deal is 25€ pp for the entire trip - boat ride, tour of glass factory in Murano and lace factory in Burano. Not going to find a better deal than that, am I?

4) These activities barely cover my time there (which is fine, a little relaxing time will actually be nice :) ). Any idea if there's a beach anywhere?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on June 02, 2014, 11:03:33 AM
Ok, I lied. I did not read through the entire thread. Read the first 250 posts, then realized I was seeing repetitive info + outdated info.
Read the last 250 posts - basically everything since Jan 1 and now have some Q's.

I'm in Venice for Friday afternoon through Tuesday evening. Yes, I know that's WAY more time than people suggest, but I had the room to play with, and it's FREAKING VENICE!

1) Doge's Palace - Did you take a tour or just go yourself? Tour is 23€ pp with the Musement deal or 13.50€ for a "Secret Itineraries" (http://www.musement.com/en/venice/doge-s-palace-secret-itineraries-tour-in-english_tickets) tour (which seems like it's just a special tour but does not cover the general aspect of Doge's). Any thoughts?
I haven't looked into that.

2) Gondola - there's a Musement offer for 31€ (I assume it's pp) with a serenade. I think it's a 1/2 hour. Is that a good deal?
Dan mentioned in his TR that you can take a goldola ride across the canal for 1€ instead of a full blown ride. From what I understand, the city sets prices for goldola rides. Assuming the price you see on Musement is just 10€ less than that, you probably won't find anything cheaper.

3) Murano/Burano - Musement deal is 25€ pp for the entire trip - boat ride, tour of glass factory in Murano and lace factory in Burano. Not going to find a better deal than that, am I?
When I calculated it, it's not necessarily a great deal. It costs 7€/pp for a 1 hour vaporetto ride (including transfers). You can get a free ride to Murano from one of the glass companies. Once there, take the tour (included) and then a vaporetto to Burano. Check out the lace stuff on your own, then take a boat back to Venice (might have to change boats, but it's within an hour, so it won't cost you more). Total cost of 14€/pp. I don't know how much more the tour will add. Also, I don't know where the tour leaves from. If it's from San Marco's Square, then no big deal (as the vaporetto goes there also). If the tour leaves from somewhere else it could be a schlep to walk there.

4) These activities barely cover my time there (which is fine, a little relaxing time will actually be nice :) ). Any idea if there's a beach anywhere?
I recall reading about some on the mainland, but I don't remember where I read that.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on June 02, 2014, 11:08:05 AM
1) did the palace myself
2) At night or during the day? At night it's a good deal, during the day I'm not sure
4) Lido
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on June 02, 2014, 12:22:28 PM
2) Dan mentioned in his TR that you can take a goldola ride across the canal for 1€ instead of a full blown ride. From what I understand, the city sets prices for goldola rides. Assuming the price you see on Musement is just 10€ less than that, you probably won't find anything cheaper.

3) When I calculated it, it's not necessarily a great deal. It costs 7€/pp for a 1 hour vaporetto ride (including transfers). You can get a free ride to Murano from one of the glass companies. Once there, take the tour (included) and then a vaporetto to Burano. Check out the lace stuff on your own, then take a boat back to Venice (might have to change boats, but it's within an hour, so it won't cost you more). Total cost of 14€/pp. I don't know how much more the tour will add. Also, I don't know where the tour leaves from. If it's from San Marco's Square, then no big deal (as the vaporetto goes there also). If the tour leaves from somewhere else it could be a schlep to walk there.

Thanks
2) 1€ gondola is cute, but c'mon. I read upthread that it's set at 80€ and this is 40-10. So perhaps 80€ covers 2 people and this is only pp. I guess it makes sense then.

3) I'm not following your math. Why is the 7€ Vaparetto in there if you said you can get a free ride from one of the factories? You also didn't include the cost of the factory's tour, you just said it's included. Included in what? A Vaparetto from Murano to Burano would be another 7€, no? The Musement tour leaves from near San Marco.

1) did the palace myself
2) At night or during the day? At night it's a good deal, during the day I'm not sure
4) Lido
1) Thanks, I just saw that regular entrance is 16€ and 10.50€ for students. So maybe paying 13.50€ for the Secret Itineraries tour (which TA reviews say gets you access to the rest of the palace to view on your own after) might just make the most sense.
2) 6:30PM or 7:30PM. Will prob do 6:30 so I can make it to Mincha afterwards. Won't exactly be sunset just yet, though.
4) Thanks! Suggestion for how to get there?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on June 02, 2014, 12:44:54 PM
3) I'm not following your math. Why is the 7€ Vaparetto in there if you said you can get a free ride from one of the factories? You also didn't include the cost of the factory's tour, you just said it's included. Included in what? A Vaparetto from Murano to Burano would be another 7€, no? The Musement tour leaves from near San Marco.
There are many companies on Murano that offer free boat rides there and then show you around their store. This gets you to Murano for free. (They also take you back to Venice, but you can just ditch them and go on to Burano). From there, pay 7€ to get to Burano by vaporetto. When you're done there, pay another 7€ to get back to Venice for 14€ total. Also, for 18€ you can buy a 12 hour pass which is still cheaper than the 25€ tour.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on June 02, 2014, 12:55:06 PM
There are many companies on Murano that offer free boat rides there and then show you around their store. This gets you to Murano for free. (They also take you back to Venice, but you can just ditch them and go on to Burano). From there, pay 7€ to get to Burano by vaporetto. When you're done there, pay another 7€ to get back to Venice for 14€ total. Also, for 18€ you can buy a 12 hour pass which is still cheaper than the 25€ tour.
But you're not including the cost of the Murano factory tour!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on June 02, 2014, 01:03:57 PM
But you're not including the cost of the Murano factory tour!
I was under the impression that the free boats showed you glass blowing. It might not be an official tour, but you get to see them blow the glass. AFAIK, there are many factories, and TA gives them only 'ok' reviews.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on June 02, 2014, 01:10:01 PM
I was under the impression that the free boats showed you glass blowing. It might not be an official tour, but you get to see them blow the glass. AFAIK, there are many factories, and TA gives them only 'ok' reviews.
So you think there are factories that allow you to come see the blowing for free and they give you a free boat ride? That doesn't seem right...
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on June 02, 2014, 01:17:38 PM
So you think there are factories that allow you to come see the blowing for free and they give you a free boat ride? That doesn't seem right...
They want you to buy stuff from their stores. I read that upthread. Some people say they get kinda pushy to get you to buy, but others say they were not pushy. I don't know about tours of Burano though.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on June 02, 2014, 01:19:39 PM
They def want you to buy stuff. IME they were a bit "too clingy" but it was fine.
I went with a ride provided by the Westin.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on June 02, 2014, 01:20:44 PM
They def want you to buy stuff. IME they were a bit "too clingy" but it was fine.
I went with a ride provided by the Westin.
But it was free and it did include a tour?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on June 02, 2014, 01:23:01 PM
But it was free and it did include a tour?

Yup. Free and included a small glass blowing demonstration and then a small 'tour' around the store. After we headed to around Murano and then finally went back to the pickup spot for our free ride back.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on June 02, 2014, 01:25:52 PM
Yup. Free and included a small glass blowing demonstration and then a small 'tour' around the store. After we headed to around Murano and then finally went back to the pickup spot for our free ride back.
Could you ditch the free ride back like I'm planning on doing?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on June 02, 2014, 01:26:18 PM
Could you ditch the free ride back like I'm planning on doing?
Sure.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on June 02, 2014, 01:27:19 PM
Yup. Free and included a small glass blowing demonstration and then a small 'tour' around the store. After we headed to around Murano and then finally went back to the pickup spot for our free ride back.
Interesting. Although that was arranged by the Westin. Yehoshua, how do you plan on finding a glass place that has free boat rides?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on June 02, 2014, 01:29:03 PM
Interesting. Although that was arranged by the Westin. Yehoshua, how do you plan on finding a glass place that has free boat rides?
Asking at the Westin (where I'm staying). You can either ask at the Hotel Diane or you can stop by on Friday and ask them (as my guest).
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on June 02, 2014, 01:31:13 PM
I believe they are available all over. Shouldn't be a problem finding a ride over.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on June 02, 2014, 01:41:38 PM
Asking at the Westin (where I'm staying). You can either ask at the Hotel Diane or you can stop by on Friday and ask them (as my guest).
Aww thanks :) BTW I booked Gallery. Called the number on Chabad's site. Someone picked up on first attempt. Took my reservation over the phone and also asked that I email gamgam@jewishvenice.org with my details just to confirm. :)
I believe they are available all over. Shouldn't be a problem finding a ride over.
Interesting. Thanks.

The Musement tour at 25eur is just appealing bc it seems like it really takes care of everything for you. Assuming we get a free ride and glass demonstration, we would need to buy Vaparetto rides to Burano (probably not get a lace factory tour although that's okay) and then a Vap back to Venice. 14eur instead of 25. That is $15 cheaper. Hmmm
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on June 02, 2014, 01:46:15 PM
Aww thanks :) BTW I booked Gallery. Called the number on Chabad's site. Someone picked up on first attempt. Took my reservation over the phone and also asked that I email gamgam@jewishvenice.org with my details just to confirm. :)Interesting. Thanks.
Cool. Good to know about the gamgam email. I'll email them for a confirmation as well.

ETA: Emailed gamgam@jewishvenice and got the same autoreply I got many times before. Did you get an actual confirmation?
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The Musement tour at 25eur is just appealing bc it seems like it really takes care of everything for you. Assuming we get a free ride and glass demonstration, we would need to buy Vaparetto rides to Burano (probably not get a lace factory tour although that's okay) and then a Vap back to Venice. 14eur instead of 25. That is $15 cheaper. Hmmm
Even if the tour left earlier in the day and I could do it without being rushed I probably would rather just do it on my own. It's not a historic sight; I don't mind skipping this on.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on June 02, 2014, 01:57:47 PM
Cool. Good to know about the gamgam email. I'll email them for a confirmation as well.

ETA: Emailed gamgam@jewishvenice and got the same autoreply I got many times before. Did you get an actual confirmation?
No I only got that. He said on the phone just to email that so they have my info on file in addition to whatever he wrote down (maybe he just wrote it down on a scrap paper). I'm going to just assume our phone confirmation was good enough.

Even if the tour left earlier in the day and I could do it without being rushed I probably would rather just do it on my own. It's not a historic sight; I don't mind skipping this on.
Right, I hear you. Is $30 worth the convenience? Probably not... I'll call my hotel and see if they have any suggestions for rides.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on June 03, 2014, 08:43:38 AM
New St. Regis opens this summer in Venice. Maybe one of you DDFers will have a chance to try it out.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on June 03, 2014, 09:30:36 AM
New St. Regis opens this summer in Venice. Maybe one of you DDFers will have a chance to try it out.
Will it be open in a month?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on June 03, 2014, 09:37:20 AM
http://m.starwoodhotels.com/stregis/property/overview/index.html?propertyID=4123&language=en_US
In two weeks.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on June 03, 2014, 09:46:38 AM
New St. Regis opens this summer in Venice. Maybe one of you DDFers will have a chance to try it out.
Off-island. And it's a rebrand, not new.
Cat 7.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on June 03, 2014, 09:48:43 AM
New to SPG :)

Still wishing for Hyatt to have a hotel option there.  ...

Here's wishing...
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on June 03, 2014, 10:23:15 AM
Off-island. And it's a rebrand, not new.
Cat 7.
In that case, never mind. I think the Westin will have to do.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on June 03, 2014, 10:25:11 AM
In that case, never mind. I think the Westin will have to do.

The Westin is great!!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on June 03, 2014, 10:26:20 AM
The Westin is great!!
I was being sarcastic, sorry for not including the correct emoticon.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Srsy on June 06, 2014, 12:50:23 AM
Is the St Regis walkable to shul on Shabbos?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Dan on June 06, 2014, 12:51:14 AM
Is the St Regis walkable to shul on Shabbos?
Off-island.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on June 06, 2014, 08:42:27 AM
So you think there are factories that allow you to come see the blowing for free and they give you a free boat ride? That doesn't seem right...
thats precisely what I did.
 Costing more money means its prob better seems to be what you are basing your trip on.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: morgs on June 06, 2014, 08:49:59 AM
New St. Regis opens this summer in Venice. Maybe one of you DDFers will have a chance to try it out.
My wife and I actually stayed at this hotel when it was just the San clemente Palace-about 3 years ago. The service was impeccable, the grounds were gorgeous- you have to take a shuttle boat provided by the hotel free of charge that runs like every 20 mins from central venice (san marco sq.) to the island. We really enjoyed there. Back in the day they used to offer a FREE private water taxi to take you to and from Murano/Burano-I don't know if they still offer that but definitely worth looking into if you'll be staying there.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: sky121 on June 06, 2014, 09:05:05 AM
Nice! Thanks for the info
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on June 06, 2014, 09:57:52 AM
I'll call my hotel and see if they have any suggestions for rides.
Comfort Hotel Diana has a guy who gives a free boat ride to Murano, like you guys suggested might be the case! He also supposedly gets you a free tour of a glass factory. Like you said Yehoshua, they said I can then take a 7€ Vaparetto to Burano - we can just walk around, not dying here to get a demonstration of lace making - and then a 7€ Vaparetto back to Venice. Total 14€ pp instead of 25€ which as we said is a $15 savings x 2 = $30. Seems worth it to not book the tour.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on June 06, 2014, 10:24:39 AM
Comfort Hotel Diana has a guy who gives a free boat ride to Murano, like you guys suggested might be the case! He also supposedly gets you a free tour of a glass factory. Like you said Yehoshua, they said I can then take a 7€ Vaparetto to Burano - we can just walk around, not dying here to get a demonstration of lace making - and then a 7€ Vaparetto back to Venice. Total 14€ pp instead of 25€ which as we said is a $15 savings x 2 = $30. Seems worth it to not book the tour.
Free (or cheaper) can be good.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on June 06, 2014, 10:41:27 AM
And for Doge's Palace:
From TA it seems like it costs 16€ to enter if you buy at the Palace (seems like that's just entrance fee, no tour included) and there's often a long line.
Booking online direct from their site has 2 options, one comes with access to a couple of museums and the other comes with even more museums. Both seem to only offer entrance but no tour. The cheaper option is 16.50€ for standard ticket and a child/student ticket is 10.5€. Online you can also buy something called the Secret Itineraries tour, which is a tour of rooms that I don't think you can otherwise access. It also gains entrance to the regular part of the Palace (no tour for that part). That costs 20.5€ standard or 14.5€ child/student.
Musement has tour options but they're in the 20-30€ range. But, they also have the Secret Itineraries tour which costs (after TPG discount) 13.5€ standard and just 7.5€ child. Now, it only lists the reduced ticket as a child ticket (and doesn't mention student) but from the description and tour times it seems like this is really the tour that's offered by the Palace itself, which leads me to believe you can buy the "child" ticket from Musement and at the Palace just say you're a student and show ID (as the Palace's discription of the reduced Secret tour ticket says clearly that it's for children or students under 25). This would gain entrance to the Palace + get the "Secret" tour for just 7.5€/$10. After the Secret tour, you could just walk around (TA says it's 2-3 hours to walk around) or you could probably buy an audio headset on the spot to go around with.

I'm going to go with the child musement option and hope they don't pose a problem when I show up.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on June 06, 2014, 11:09:37 AM
Re: the gondola ride for 31€ on Musement - DON'T DO IT!!
Found out what company it is and checked TA - it's not private! There are 6 people to a gondola and 9 gondolas that row next to each other with ONE musician sitting on 1 boat (your boat if you're lucky) and singing for all 9 boats.

We'll wait on this till we get to Venice. Will either do Dan's idea of just paying a few € for the short trip across the canal or we'll splurge on a private one that we just find.

Only thing worth booking in advance then is Doge's, which I'm doing now for my last day in Venice.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on June 06, 2014, 11:23:56 AM
Re: the gondola ride for 31€ on Musement - DON'T DO IT!!
Found out what company it is and checked TA - it's not private! There are 6 people to a gondola and 9 gondolas that row next to each other with ONE musician sitting on 1 boat (your boat if you're lucky) and singing for all 9 boats.

We'll wait on this till we get to Venice. Will either do Dan's idea of just paying a few € for the short trip across the canal or we'll splurge on a private one that we just find.

Only thing worth booking in advance then is Doge's, which I'm doing now for my last day in Venice.
That's good to know. It's one thing to do a group tour for some things, but doing it for a gondola ride kind of defeats the purpose. I guess there are people who'd do it, but doesn't sound good to me either.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on June 06, 2014, 11:32:43 AM
That's good to know. It's one thing to do a group tour for some things, but doing it for a gondola ride kind of defeats the purpose. I guess there are people who'd do it, but doesn't sound good to me either.
Right. Also... after booking 2 different Musement activities separately for myself and my wife, I decided to create an actual login. I see all my tours in my profile, but when I try to book a new tour, the discount code says already used. I tried logging out and booking as a guest, but it recognizes my password and says "already used". Maybe I shouldn't have created a login. I tried the shtick of myemail+1@gmail.com like Dan talks about for Banana emails and it accepted the coupon code. Not sure if it will combine the tickets with my others in my user profile but it's no big deal bc the confirmation is emailed to you anyway. But on to the ethical side of all this... Truth is playing with the email address is no different than booking a bunch of tickets without ever creating a login. They clearly mean this to be a valid 10eur discount per person, just there are a few glitches in their system. I gotta rethink this... :-/
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on June 06, 2014, 11:39:53 AM
Right. Also... after booking 2 different Musement activities separately for myself and my wife, I decided to create an actual login. I see all my tours in my profile, but when I try to book a new tour, the discount code says already used. I tried logging out and booking as a guest, but it recognizes my password and says "already used". Maybe I shouldn't have created a login. I tried the shtick of myemail+1@gmail.com like Dan talks about for Banana emails and it accepted the coupon code. Not sure if it will combine the tickets with my others in my user profile but it's no big deal bc the confirmation is emailed to you anyway. But on to the ethical side of all this... Truth is playing with the email address is no different than booking a bunch of tickets without ever creating a login. They clearly mean this to be a valid 10eur discount per person, just there are a few glitches in their system. I gotta rethink this... :-/
How many more Musement tours did you want to book?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on June 06, 2014, 12:08:27 PM
How many more Musement tours did you want to book?
Doge's + I haven't looked into tours at a lot of destinations still - London, Paris, Amsterdam, etc.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Ploni3 on June 08, 2014, 01:19:59 PM
I see from the thread that in general it is much cheaper to use the public water transport system than water taxi. Is that true even if traveling with a family? Do the taxis charge more for each passenger?  For example - from train station to Doge's Palace area for 7 passengers...
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on June 08, 2014, 01:27:14 PM
I see from the thread that in general it is much cheaper to use the public water transport system than water taxi. Is that true even if traveling with a family? Do the taxis charge more for each passenger?  For example - from train station to Doge's Palace area for 7 passengers...
From what I read, water taxis charge the same price for your to 4 people (maybe more) so it could be cheaper for a group.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Cw3323 on June 08, 2014, 01:48:06 PM

I see from the thread that in general it is much cheaper to use the public water transport system than water taxi. Is that true even if traveling with a family? Do the taxis charge more for each passenger?  For example - from train station to Doge's Palace area for 7 passengers...
the taxi is the same price doesn't matter how many people and it takes up to 10 times faster. But the public taxi will still be cheaper most of the time since you could get the 72hour unlimited. 

If I would need to make the decision I would do from-to airport and to other islands the private taxi, on the island from stop to stop I would take the public, or walk ;)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Ploni3 on June 08, 2014, 01:52:14 PM
...well, we are only there for a quick taste (8 hrs) so 72 hr tickets won't be a great value, in all likelihood.  Is there any site that can help me calculate the fares on the two options?

Probably will take the transportation one way from train to Doge's and walk back...
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Cw3323 on June 08, 2014, 01:59:32 PM
If you will be there for only 8 hours the private taxi will be your only option the public taxi will kill a lot of time doesn't matter the few that you will maybe save.

If this will be the first time i wouldn't do the palace
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Ploni3 on June 08, 2014, 02:07:43 PM
I appreciate that advise about the taxi - makes sense.  Would you then just suggest walking around the whole time?  I thought that one site/activity would make sense to break up the day a bit...thought we would grab some pizza (assuming Gum Gum Goodies is still around) for lunch and take out from gamgam for the 4 hr train that night...
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on June 08, 2014, 02:18:29 PM
I appreciate that advise about the taxi - makes sense.  Would you then just suggest walking around the whole time?  I thought that one site/activity would make sense to break up the day a bit...thought we would grab some pizza (assuming Gum Gum Goodies is still around) for lunch and take out from gamgam for the 4 hr train that night...
Haven't been there yet, but GamGam looks like a 1/2 walk from Doge's. Just an FYI.
From my research, it seems like one can get lost in Venice for hours (and enjoy it) which might be enough for you. You'll find your way to the Jewish area and get food. But, I wouldn't think it's too crazy to go to Doge's also. It really seems like that's the best attraction in actual Venice to do. You're not going to go to the beach in Lido or Murano/Burano. So otherwise, the only "attractions" seem to be Doge's and getting a tour of the Jewish quarter (which you may want to do). I would think you could in Doge's and walk around, but that you also won't be bored just walking around.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Ploni3 on June 08, 2014, 09:39:45 PM
...looks to me that arriving at S Lucia at 11:00 on Italo from Rome -it will be close to impossible to make the last English Secret Itineraries tour at Doge's Palace which runs at 11:35, even if using a private water taxi.  I imagine I have to allow for train delays, getting to taxi, taxi time and getting into Doge's Palace.   Can anyone with firsthand information confirm that this is not advisable? thnx
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: joelr773 on June 08, 2014, 09:41:10 PM
How far is VCE airport to the hotel's area for example st marco
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on June 08, 2014, 09:44:31 PM
How far is VCE airport to the hotel's area for example st marco
50-80 minutes depending on if you take a private taxi or Alilaguna.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: joelr773 on June 08, 2014, 09:45:18 PM
I'm arriving 9:50 pm
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on June 08, 2014, 09:53:16 PM
I'm arriving 9:50 pm
Doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on June 08, 2014, 10:02:21 PM
...looks to me that arriving at S Lucia at 11:00 on Italo from Rome -it will be close to impossible to make the last English Secret Itineraries tour at Doge's Palace which runs at 11:35, even if using a private water taxi.  I imagine I have to allow for train delays, getting to taxi, taxi time and getting into Doge's Palace.   Can anyone with firsthand information confirm that this is not advisable? thnx
Sorry, I don't have firsthand info, but that seems pretty unlikely to make.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: mendy613 on June 09, 2014, 12:38:43 AM
Firsthand info, technically possible, but you will be tired, never-mind with luggage.

If you want to do it, do NOT take a taxi, walking will be roughly the same amount of time (From the train station) and you will save some 75 Euro.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Ploni3 on June 09, 2014, 05:55:20 AM
not bringing any luggage so that isn't an issue.  I thought it is a 30 minute walk - so that would be razor thin margin of error. If we don't save any time using the water taxi, it makes no sense, at all.  thanks
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on June 09, 2014, 08:30:18 AM
...looks to me that arriving at S Lucia at 11:00 on Italo from Rome -it will be close to impossible to make the last English Secret Itineraries tour at Doge's Palace which runs at 11:35, even if using a private water taxi.  I imagine I have to allow for train delays, getting to taxi, taxi time and getting into Doge's Palace.   Can anyone with firsthand information confirm that this is not advisable? thnx
you do not have to account for train delays, I have taken many trains there and was never more than 2 minutes off.
The taxi is literally right outside the train station but I never actually took it so I can't tell you times but Im a risk taker and would prob do it
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Ploni3 on June 09, 2014, 09:43:16 AM
Firsthand info, technically possible, but you will be tired, never-mind with luggage.

If you want to do it, do NOT take a taxi, walking will be roughly the same amount of time (From the train station) and you will save some 75 Euro.

Just to be clear - you mean that even a private water taxi will take 30 minutes from train station to Doge's?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: DXD on June 09, 2014, 02:45:26 PM
Quick question to those who have spent Shabbos in Venice:

Our emails to Gam Gam / Gallery re: reservations have gone un-answered. I've seen people mentionining the same thing in their experience. Does anyone have a better way to contact?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on June 09, 2014, 02:46:56 PM
Quick question to those who have spent Shabbos in Venice:

Our emails to Gam Gam / Gallery re: reservations have gone un-answered. I've seen people mentionining the same thing in their experience. Does anyone have a better way to contact?
@Yehuda called them and got his Gallery reservation taken care of right away. I just continued emailing until I got a confirmation.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: DXD on June 09, 2014, 03:35:55 PM
@Yehuda called them and got his Gallery reservation taken care of right away. I just continued emailing until I got a confirmation.

Thank you!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Srsy on June 11, 2014, 12:12:26 AM
 I still did not get a confirmation from the gallery
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Srsy on June 11, 2014, 12:13:09 AM
Are the shops at Rialto Bridge and St Marks Square open on Sunday?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: penina on June 11, 2014, 03:36:13 AM
Just to be clear - you mean that even a private water taxi will take 30 minutes from train station to Doge's?

It takes about 30minutes from the airport to st Marco square. I'm not sure exactly where the train station is
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: penina on June 11, 2014, 03:37:14 AM
Are the shops at Rialto Bridge and St Marks Square open on Sunday?
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They were open when we were there in may
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Srsy on June 11, 2014, 09:41:38 PM
Besides the Jewish ghetto tour for fourty minutes...anything else in the area to schedule?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Ploni3 on June 11, 2014, 11:59:48 PM
You may want to look into Doge's Palace and see if it interests you
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SOS on June 12, 2014, 04:25:14 PM
From what I remember from the thread all the options of transportation from the airport to the island of Venice was talking about the big airport (marco polo) what are the options from trevisio? And how long should it take (the person who I booked for would be landing on Fri afternoon)?
Thanks
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on June 12, 2014, 04:29:05 PM
From what I remember from the thread all the options of transportation from the airport to the island of Venice was talking about the big airport (marco polo) what are the options from trevisio? And how long should it take (the person who I booked for would be landing on Fri afternoon)?
Thanks
Looks like about 40 minutes to Piazzale Roma on GMaps. From there it can be another 30 minutes or so to where you're staying by vaporetto.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SOS on June 12, 2014, 04:30:54 PM
Looks like about 40 minutes to Piazzale Roma on GMaps. From there it can be another 30 minutes or so to where you're staying by vaporetto.
thanks
And those 40 min is on a train?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on June 12, 2014, 04:33:36 PM
thanks
And those 40 min is on a train?
Car/bus. Train is 51 minutes per GM.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on June 13, 2014, 11:13:16 AM
Looks like i will be in VCE 7/9-7/11 for a quick stop on my way to ATH. Tried to look through last few pages but was unable to get a good idea of what to do. Can someone give me a quick little list of "See" and "Must See"?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on June 13, 2014, 11:21:23 AM
Looks like i will be in VCE 7/9-7/11 for a quick stop on my way to ATH. Tried to look through last few pages but was unable to get a good idea of what to do. Can someone give me a quick little list of "See" and "Must See"?
Just walking around is supposed to be amazing. Murano and Burano are supposed to be nice, but (having not been yet) I don't think it's supposed to be a "must see."

Doge's Palace sounds interesting, but I'm skipping it. The Lido (beach in Italian) is also supposed to be nice, but I'm also skipping it.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on June 13, 2014, 11:30:22 AM
Sounds like not much to pre-plan for. I guess i will wing it when i get there.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on June 13, 2014, 11:42:25 AM
Sounds like not much to pre-plan for. I guess i will wing it when i get there.
correct, it's more of a seeing place then doing.  To get a real feel of it start my gam gam and walk to San Marco square without a map and by just asking directions  every once in awhile.  You will get to really see Venice and it's hidden gems.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on June 14, 2014, 11:02:27 PM
Sounds like not much to pre-plan for. I guess i will wing it when i get there.
Correct. The activities are:
Gondola Ride
Lido Beach
Murano/Burano
Doge's Palace
Jewish Tour

I didn't pre-plan anything other than Doge's bc of lines and bc of the cheaper pre-booking rate - search here for the link to the Musement page and use code "pointsguy" for 10eur off.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Srsy on June 17, 2014, 10:55:14 PM
Does the Gallery take credit card?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on June 17, 2014, 11:12:27 PM
Does the Gallery take credit card?
Yes, via PayPal at JewishVenice.com. Just click on donate and write you're paying for the Gallery in the notes section.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Srsy on June 17, 2014, 11:16:54 PM
Do you py foreign transaction fee when you pay by paypal?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: mochada on June 17, 2014, 11:21:13 PM
Sounds like not much to pre-plan for. I guess i will wing it when i get there.

Rialto Bridge
Piazza San Marco
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on June 17, 2014, 11:21:53 PM
Do you py foreign transaction fee when you pay by paypal?
No. You're charged in USD.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SOS on June 19, 2014, 12:19:13 AM
Does anyone know what time is the last train from Venice to Milan
I was planning on taking a train on a motzei shabbos and it seems that there isn't a train so late....
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on June 19, 2014, 05:35:52 AM
Does anyone know what time is the last train from Venice to Milan
I was planning on taking a train on a motzei shabbos and it seems that there isn't a train so late....
you can check on the website, but I  ran into the same problem.
The agents working there were very accommodating in person and found some connections that were not available online or by the kiosks that were leaving a little later.
Also if you take a bus first to mestre you may have better luck
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SRM on June 19, 2014, 08:04:05 AM
Does anyone know what time is the last train from Venice to Milan
I was planning on taking a train on a motzei shabbos and it seems that there isn't a train so late....

What date are you looking to go?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SOS on June 19, 2014, 08:11:17 AM
What date are you looking to go?
Aug 16
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SOS on June 19, 2014, 08:12:36 AM
you can check on the website, but I  ran into the same problem.
The agents working there were very accommodating in person and found some connections that were not available online or by the kiosks that were leaving a little later.
Also if you take a bus first to mestre you may have better luck
I checked trenitalia
is there another site to check?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SRM on June 19, 2014, 08:17:07 AM
Aug 16

The latest train from Venice to Milan is around 8pm which is too early but there might be some routes with stopovers that leave later. The question is what time to you need to arrive in Milan on Sunday?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SRM on June 19, 2014, 08:17:32 AM
I checked trenitalia
is there another site to check?

I like the site loco2.com it's very user friendly.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SOS on June 19, 2014, 08:28:04 AM


The question is what time to you need to arrive in Milan on Sunday?

I was planning on going to lake como on Sunday so the earlier the better
the hotel that I am staying in Venice wasn't available for motzei shabbos, so that played a part in trying to go to Milan

Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SRM on June 19, 2014, 08:36:42 AM

I was planning on going to lake como on Sunday so the earlier the better
the hotel that I am staying in Venice wasn't available for motzei shabbos, so that played a part in trying to go to Milan

Ok in that case here is a possible option:

Sat night train from Venice to Verona at 10:05 pm. Stay over in Verona and take a Sunday morning train from Verona to Como. They have trains that go about every 15 to 30 minutes from 6:52 am until 8:45 am but they all arrive at the same time 11:01 am.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SOS on June 19, 2014, 08:40:20 AM
Ok in that case here is a possible option:

Sat night train from Venice to Verona at 10:05 pm. Stay over in Verona and take a Sunday morning train from Verona to Como. They have trains that go about every 15 to 30 minutes from 6:52 am until 8:45 am but they all arrive at the same time 11:01 am.
thanks for checking that up
is there any hotels bookable with points in verona?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SOS on June 19, 2014, 08:41:03 AM
How long of a train is it from Venice to como on Sunday morning?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SRM on June 19, 2014, 08:44:35 AM
How long of a train is it from Venice to como on Sunday morning?

Depending on what time you leave and how long the stopover is. The quickest train leaves at  8:45 with a 25min stopover in Milan. Total travel time including stopover is 2hr 16min
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SOS on June 19, 2014, 08:46:24 AM
So I would get there the same 11:00
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SRM on June 19, 2014, 08:47:48 AM
So I would get there the same 11:00

Yes, I mentioned before all the trains seem to get there at the same time...it's the length of the stopover that varies.

Let me know if this link works: https://loco2.com/journey/venice-como-s-giovanni-wk6tc8
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SOS on June 19, 2014, 08:54:58 AM
Yes, I mentioned before all the trains seem to get there at the same time...it's the length of the stopover that varies.

Let me know if this link works: https://loco2.com/journey/venice-como-s-giovanni-wk6tc8
the later train looks good,I have to check what time shabbos is over to see if it works
do you know anything about hotels in verona?
thanks
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SRM on June 19, 2014, 08:56:50 AM
the later train looks good,I have to check what time shabbos is over to see if it works
do you know anything about hotels in verona?
thanks

Shabbos is over shortly after 9pm. I've never been to Verona and don't know about the hotels there sorry.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on June 19, 2014, 01:46:21 PM
Did you look into renting a car for the day?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SOS on June 19, 2014, 02:09:16 PM
Did you look into renting a car for the day?
i am looking into that as well, but a lot of rental locations are closed sunday or close early motzei shabbos (besides for airport locations)
and its a one way rental, so it would be expensive
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SRM on June 19, 2014, 02:13:40 PM
Why don't you just stay in a different hotel sat night and go from Venice to Lake Como sunday morning?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SOS on June 19, 2014, 02:20:24 PM
Why don't you just stay in a different hotel sat night and go from Venice to Lake Como sunday morning?
because by the time i eat breakfast, daven, and check out of the hotel, i might be able to make sunset by lake como ;D
but i am looking into that as well
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Srsy on June 19, 2014, 11:02:38 PM
Which train is better Italo or Trenitallia?  Would I be leaving Venetzia SL or Venetzia Mestre?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: morgs on June 20, 2014, 11:23:17 AM
Which train is better Italo or Trenitallia?  Would I be leaving Venetzia SL or Venetzia Mestre?
I used trenitalia when I was there-the service was great, prices were cheaper, and they offered an e ticket service so that I could print my train tickets at home instead of having them mailed to me (IIRC Italo did not have that option but maybe that changed by now??). The station you would use for the main island of venice would be S lucia-Its like a 5 min walk from the jewish ghetto/restaurants, etc.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Srsy on June 22, 2014, 02:03:56 AM
Anyone ever booked the Murano/ Burano tour on readsguides.com?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SOS on June 22, 2014, 02:01:25 PM
Did anyone ever stay in the boscolo autograph collection? Any shabbos issues?
Right now I have that and the westin reserved for my dates, any input on which is a better option?
The boscolo is much closer to gam gam than the westin, which is a plus
I am spg gold so that is a plus by the westin
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SRM on June 23, 2014, 08:39:39 AM
Any opinions on the Hilton Molino Stucky? I'm sure I've read about it somewhere in this thread but I can't go back that many pages to try and find it. I know it's a bit further from the Ghetto for Shabbos. Is it still a doable walk? How are they about shabbos? is the hotel nice? TIA
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on June 23, 2014, 09:33:59 AM
Any opinions on the Hilton Molino Stucky? I'm sure I've read about it somewhere in this thread but I can't go back that many pages to try and find it. I know it's a bit further from the Ghetto for Shabbos. Is it still a doable walk? How are they about shabbos? is the hotel nice? TIA
I have stayed there though not for Shabbos. for starters, it's on a different part of Venice and I don't believe you can even walk it, I think you need to take a boat.
Other than that the hotel is huge and beautiful (and expensive when I went ). I particularly enjoyed their rooftop pool overlooking the canal,  I went for a swim there every morning and there was never anyone up there but a couple attendants catering to my every need
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SRM on June 23, 2014, 10:15:27 AM
I have stayed there though not for Shabbos. for starters, it's on a different part of Venice and I don't believe you can even walk it, I think you need to take a boat.
Other than that the hotel is huge and beautiful (and expensive when I went ). I particularly enjoyed their rooftop pool overlooking the canal,  I went for a swim there every morning and there was never anyone up there but a couple attendants catering to my every need

Thank you! Can anyone confirm whether you can or can't walk from there to the Ghetto on shabbos or if you can only go by boat? If that's the case then I don't think this will be an option (for this trip at least  ;)).
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: yls2011 on June 23, 2014, 08:39:58 PM
Thank you! Can anyone confirm whether you can or can't walk from there to the Ghetto on shabbos or if you can only go by boat? If that's the case then I don't think this will be an option (for this trip at least  ;)).
You can only get there by boat. It is on a separate island.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: oiseli48 on June 24, 2014, 12:19:07 AM
Did anyone ever stay in the boscolo autograph collection? Any shabbos issues?
Right now I have that and the westin reserved for my dates, any input on which is a better option?
The boscolo is much closer to gam gam than the westin, which is a plus
I am spg gold so that is a plus by the westin

I stayed there. They gave me a room with a real key. My biggest issue was taping the light on the fridge shut before Shabbos. I checked out shabbos afternoon, and they took my luggage out to their storage until after shabbos.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SRM on June 24, 2014, 08:54:51 AM
You can only get there by boat. It is on a separate island.

Thank you! Any hotel recommendations other than the Westin?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on June 24, 2014, 09:28:38 AM
Thank you! Any hotel recommendations other than the Westin?
If you can wait 2 weeks @Yehuda will have stayed at the Hotel Diane and he'll probably review.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on June 24, 2014, 09:32:28 AM
Thank you! Any hotel recommendations other than the Westin?
If you can wait 2 weeks @Yehuda will have stayed at the Hotel Diane and he'll probably review.
I'll be staying at the kosher hotel 7/9-11/14 and can let you know.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SRM on June 24, 2014, 09:45:07 AM
If you can wait 2 weeks @Yehuda will have stayed at the Hotel Diane and he'll probably review.

Thanks, my trip isn't till Aug 7 so I have some time to wait.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SRM on June 24, 2014, 09:45:34 AM
I'll be staying at the kosher hotel 7/9-11/14 and can let you know.

Thanks I look forward to hearing your review of the hotel.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: yls2011 on June 24, 2014, 04:47:00 PM
Thanks, my trip isn't till Aug 7 so I have some time to wait.
Hotels in Venice fill up quickly in the summer, esp. if you are going on points/award night. You might not want to wait much longer.
 
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SRM on June 25, 2014, 09:09:08 AM
Hotels in Venice fill up quickly in the summer, esp. if you are going on points/award night. You might not want to wait much longer.

That's good to know. I wasn't planning on using points but I'm sure this holds true anyway. Do you have any recommendations for a nice hotel in Venice other than the Westin?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Cw3323 on June 25, 2014, 10:54:22 AM

That's good to know. I wasn't planning on using points but I'm sure this holds true anyway. Do you have any recommendations for a nice hotel in Venice other than the Westin?
the Gritti is way nicer
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: yls2011 on June 25, 2014, 03:27:59 PM
That's good to know. I wasn't planning on using points but I'm sure this holds true anyway. Do you have any recommendations for a nice hotel in Venice other than the Westin?
I would look at Rocketmiles or Pointshound. There are plenty of nice hotels in Venice, find a few within your budget and that gives you the miles you want, and go from there. That's what I am doing- some nights are on points, and I got a good rate for Hotel Dei Dragomanni on rocket miles with a bonus.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: yls2011 on June 25, 2014, 03:28:43 PM
the Gritti is way nicer
Yes, but it's a Cat. 7 and Westin is 6. Regardless, if paying cash, the rates are exorbitant.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SRM on June 25, 2014, 04:19:17 PM
I would look at Rocketmiles or Pointshound. There are plenty of nice hotels in Venice, find a few within your budget and that gives you the miles you want, and go from there. That's what I am doing- some nights are on points, and I got a good rate for Hotel Dei Dragomanni on rocket miles with a bonus.


Thanks! Those sites are very helpful.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: mendoul on July 03, 2014, 12:22:41 AM
Do the locanda del ghetto has kosher meal?
Breakfast lunch and super?
And whats the hechsher?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: mena613 on July 03, 2014, 06:41:23 AM

I am currently in Ben Gurion waiting for this strike to finish, so that I can board my flight to Milan Malpensa, we will then use the train to head to the Marriott Hotel which I understand has a chabad minyan there for shabbos.

On sunday, my wife and me would like to take the train to Venice and stay there for a day or two before heading to Rome.

Any advice on what Hotel will be most convenient for us and whats the easiest way to get from there to Rome ?

Thaks guys
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: mena613 on July 04, 2014, 09:42:35 AM
I'll be staying at the kosher hotel 7/9-11/14 and can let you know.
how much are you paying a night in that hotel ? I will be there sunday night and still looking for a nice well located normally priced hotel
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on July 04, 2014, 10:57:14 AM
how much are you paying a night in that hotel ? I will be there sunday night and still looking for a nice well located normally priced hotel
IIRC, it is ~$150 a night.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: mena613 on July 07, 2014, 06:00:26 PM

Whis planning on being at gam gam this shabbos, and where are you stayinh
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: DG on July 08, 2014, 04:17:38 PM
What is "the Gallery" that is referenced on the last several pages?

ETA: Found it 22 pages back.

The Gallery is a private dining room that requires a reservation. It's rather limited in seating, and it costs. I plan on reserving there myself (at least for Friday night), but we're not going until July so I haven't called yet.



Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on July 08, 2014, 04:22:23 PM
What is "the Gallery" that is referenced on the last several pages?
An art gallery that they set up tables in for shabbos. You need to reserve these in advance.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on July 08, 2014, 05:36:43 PM
An art gallery that they set up tables in for shabbos. You need to reserve these in advance.
if your going peak season, if not just let him know eruv shabbos
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on July 08, 2014, 06:01:25 PM
if your going peak season, if not just let him know eruv shabbos
Although if you're not going peak season there's no real reason to go at all. The main benefit of going is to avoid the crowds and have a nice, air conditioned table to use as you please for the meal. The food is the same.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on July 08, 2014, 06:03:16 PM
The food is the same.
incorrect, at least when I was there
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: penina on July 08, 2014, 10:25:24 PM
incorrect, at least when I was there

they told us it is the same food, but you get served by waiters at your table. they also serve wine and drinks
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on July 09, 2014, 01:25:24 AM
incorrect, at least when I was there
Food was the same this past Shabbos.
they told us it is the same food, but you get served by waiters at your table. they also serve wine and drinks
Gam Gam also has waiters, and you get drinks + a bottle of Kiddush wine. Was literally the same meal, just more food at Gallery bc you only share with your table, which is probably just you and your spouse, while at Gam Gam, a platter of food can be shared with 4-6 ppl.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on July 09, 2014, 01:31:58 AM
incorrect, at least when I was there
I guess it depends on the week.
Food was the same this past Shabbos.Gam Gam also has waiters, and you get drinks + a bottle of Kiddush wine. Was literally the same meal, just more food at Gallery bc you only share with your table, which is probably just you and your spouse, while at Gam Gam, a platter of food can be shared with 4-6 ppl.
+1, We literally saw the  bringing trays of food back an forth between the two locations.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: mgarfin on July 18, 2014, 11:21:12 AM
What are my Award booking options for flights out of Venice to NYC?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on July 18, 2014, 11:41:54 AM
What are my Award booking options for flights out of Venice to NYC?
If you are willing to take a train to Milan then it opens up a lot more
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: mgarfin on July 18, 2014, 12:03:34 PM
If you are willing to take a train to Milan then it opens up a lot more

I was thinking of a short stop on the way back from Israel. I found AA-LY TLV-VCE, I don't mind the train to Milan, but luggage becomes a nightmare.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on July 18, 2014, 02:22:29 PM
What are my Award booking options for flights out of Venice to NYC?
I flew into VCE through FRA.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on July 18, 2014, 02:25:32 PM
I flew into VCE through FRA.
Same here.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: gaossey on July 18, 2014, 03:06:22 PM
There's a direct JFK - VCE flight on Delta (i believe it's the only direct option) I got a economy seat for 60k sky miles. But delta is probably among your worst options for award tickets
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SOS on July 18, 2014, 03:12:11 PM
There is a United flight to Newark
Title: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Cw3323 on July 18, 2014, 03:15:49 PM
I flew going thru LIS and back I came FRA there is a lot of saver availability. Even on economy it's worth redeeming miles. Since it is very expensive with $. The only direct flight out of NY is delta.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: yg99 on July 27, 2014, 11:42:12 AM
How do you get to Lido Beach from the Westin or GamGam area?

Is it a busy beach or are there quiet (privateish) areas?

Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: joelr773 on July 27, 2014, 11:46:09 AM
I flew going thru LIS and back I came FRA there is a lot of saver availability. Even on economy it's worth redeeming miles. Since it is very expensive with $. The only direct flight out of NY is delta.
Or from phl to vce with us airways
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on July 27, 2014, 11:50:02 AM
How do you get to Lido Beach from the Westin or GamGam area?

Is it a busy beach or are there quiet (privateish) areas?
Vaporetto is the cheapest, taxi is the quickest. I believe the #1 & #2 vaporetti go there. It's a 5 minute walk from the Westin and a few more minutes walk (and a much longer ride) from GamGam.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on July 27, 2014, 12:23:30 PM
How do you get to Lido Beach from the Westin or GamGam area?

Is it a busy beach or are there quiet (privateish) areas?
Yehoshua is right I believe in terms of Vaparettos.

The free beach (which is about a 7 min straight walk from the Vaparetto stop) was busy. Could be the other areas where you have to pay to enter are more private.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: thaber on July 28, 2014, 02:12:36 AM
Trying to help make reservations at the art gallery for a visiting Rabbi for Shabbos Nachamu. Does anyone have a number to call? there's been no reply to the email sent.
thanks
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on July 28, 2014, 06:22:11 AM
Trying to help make reservations at the art gallery for a visiting Rabbi for Shabbos Nachamu. Does anyone have a number to call? there's been no reply to the email sent.
thanks
There's a number on jewishvenice.org. I remember it's hard to find, but once you do, they're very good about picking up IME.
Title: Re: Yehoshua's Italy & Switzerland TR
Post by: SRM on July 28, 2014, 12:59:32 PM
I am thinking about going to Murano/Burano Sunday morning while staying in Venice. Firstly if I only have time for one of the island which do you suggest. Secondly what is the earliest time in the morning I can plan to head out there? TIA
Title: Re: Re: Yehoshua's Italy & Switzerland TR
Post by: SRM on July 28, 2014, 01:10:25 PM
Another question: Do you know the store hours for GAM GAM Goodies?
Title: Re: Re: Yehoshua's Italy & Switzerland TR
Post by: Yehoshua on July 28, 2014, 01:23:28 PM
I am thinking about going to Murano/Burano Sunday morning while staying in Venice. Firstly if I only have time for one of the island which do you suggest. Secondly what is the earliest time in the morning I can plan to head out there? TIA
Murano for sure. I believe the hotel can get you a free boat starting at 9:00a. We got a boat at about 9:15a and were the first people there.
Another question: Do you know the store hours for GAM GAM Goodies?
They were one to 7:00p on Friday, 4 July.  During the week they were open as late as 9:00p but I don't have their exact hours.
Title: Re: Re: Yehoshua's Italy & Switzerland TR
Post by: SRM on July 28, 2014, 01:29:38 PM
Thanks. What day of the week did you go to Murano? From what I've been reading people say that many glass blowing factories are closed on Sundays.

Would you know what time GAM GAM Goodies opens in the mornings during the week?
Title: Re: Re: Yehoshua's Italy & Switzerland TR
Post by: Yehoshua on July 28, 2014, 01:30:20 PM
Thanks. What day of the week did you go to Murano? From what I've been reading people say that many glass blowing factories are closed on Sundays.

Would you know what time GAM GAM Goodies opens in the mornings during the week?
We went on Friday. I don't know when they open.
Title: Re: Re: Yehoshua's Italy & Switzerland TR
Post by: SRM on July 28, 2014, 01:31:09 PM
Thank you. One last question for now...about how many hours should I schedule for the trip to Murano?
Title: Re: Re: Yehoshua's Italy & Switzerland TR
Post by: yg99 on July 28, 2014, 01:43:01 PM
I believe the hotel can get you a free boat starting at 9:00a. We got a boat at about 9:15a and were the first people there.

Which hotel gets you a FREE boat? What's the catch?
Title: Re: Re: Yehoshua's Italy & Switzerland TR
Post by: Yehoshua on July 28, 2014, 01:55:48 PM
Thank you. One last question for now...about how many hours should I schedule for the trip to Murano?
It depends on how long you want to look around. We were there for 1.5 hours and it was plenty for us.
Title: Re: Re: Yehoshua's Italy & Switzerland TR
Post by: Marco Polo on July 28, 2014, 02:05:39 PM
Thank you. One last question for now...about how many hours should I schedule for the trip to Murano?
An hour is fine IMHO.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SRM on July 28, 2014, 02:11:45 PM
Thanks
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: thaber on July 28, 2014, 03:51:13 PM
There's a number on jewishvenice.org. I remember it's hard to find, but once you do, they're very good about picking up IME.
Thank you
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: yls2011 on July 29, 2014, 06:00:29 PM
Tentative trip plans for Friday afternoon-Monday afternoon: Any advice?

Friday: Take train in from Rome. Vaporetto to Westin. Lunch at Gam Gam treats. Cannaregio, Jewish Ghetto. Tour Shul. Traghetto. Shabbat dinner at Gallery.
Shabbat: Lunch at Gallery. Walk around Venice, see Piazza San Marco, Bridge of Sighs, Ca d' oro and   Vendramin Calergi palace from outside.
Sunday: Rialto bridge, Doge's palace, Lido Beach.
Monday: Murano, Burano

Thanks!


Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on July 29, 2014, 06:09:15 PM
Tentative trip plans for Friday afternoon-Monday afternoon: Any advice?

Friday: Take train in from Rome. Vaporetto to Westin. Lunch at Gam Gam treats. Cannaregio, Jewish Ghetto. Tour Shul. Traghetto. Shabbat dinner at Gallery.
Shabbat: Lunch at Gallery. Walk around Venice, see Piazza San Marco, Bridge of Sighs, Ca d' oro and   Vendramin Calergi palace from outside.
Sunday: Rialto bridge, Doge's palace, Lido Beach.
Monday: Murano, Burano

Thanks!
Since your taking the train in you'll be a 5 minute walk from the ghetto. I'd go there first for lunch and then walk/take a vaporetto to the Westin.  Otherwise you're adding a 30 minute walk to your itinerary which can be tough if it's really hot. If you're getting in really early it makes sense though.

Seeing the Rialto bridge takes about 5 minutes if you want to take lots of pictures. Otherwise you can do it in 1-2 mintues. Walk by on Friday or Shabbos and look. It's out of the way if you want to do Doge's Palace and Lido on Sunday.

Murano and Burano together take half a day max. When are you leaving on Monday?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: davidch on July 29, 2014, 06:11:21 PM
Hi I'm gonna be in venice this Shabbat does anyone have any ideas of we're to stay (looming for good prices and good location.. Next to chabad..)
TIA
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on July 29, 2014, 06:12:07 PM
Hi I'm gonna be in venice this Shabbat does anyone have any ideas of we're to stay (looming for good prices and good location.. Next to chabad..)
TIA
AirBNB?
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on July 29, 2014, 06:15:21 PM
Since your taking the train in you'll be a 5 minute walk from the ghetto. I'd go there first for lunch and then walk/take a vaporetto to the Westin.  Otherwise you're adding a 30 minute walk to your itinerary which can be tough if it's really hot. If you're getting in really early it makes sense though.

Seeing the Rialto bridge takes about 5 minutes if you want to take lots of pictures. Otherwise you can do it in 1-2 mintues. Walk by on Friday or Shabbos and look. It's out of the way if you want to do Doge's Palace and Lido on Sunday.

Murano and Burano together take half a day max. When are you leaving on Monday?
Dang you beat me to it.

I agree with going to Gam Gam Goodies straight from the train station. We did it, but if you have a lot of luggage, it may be annoying - there are a few bridges to cross.

I think you have a lot on your Friday and after a 4 hour train ride, I can't imagine you'll have much energy/time left before Shabbos to do everything. Also not sure if you'll find tours of the Shuls/Museum on a Friday afternoon. But again, if you do stuff in the Ghetto, do it before taking the Vaparetto IMO.

If you davka want pictures by Rialto, then go during the week, but if you just want to see it, you can do that on Shabbos. It's kinda on the way to Shul.

Like Yehoshua said, Murano/Burano are not all day activities. If you leave late Monday, then you may want to do them after Doge's on Sunday and then sit on the beach all day Monday.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: yls2011 on July 29, 2014, 06:33:36 PM
So how about Rialto on Friday, and Jewish ghetto/tour on Sunday?
Flight is at 4 PM on Monday.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on July 29, 2014, 07:02:28 PM
So how about Rialto on Friday, and Jewish ghetto/tour on Sunday?
Flight is at 4 PM on Monday.
Rialto on Friday is better. Also, if you're flight is on Monday at 4:00p you'd probably want to be there at 2:00p so you'd need to leave at 12:30ish from the Westin if you plan on taking Alilaguna to the airport.

That being said, you'd be better off going to Lido on Monday as @Yehuda suggested and going to Murano/Burano and the ghetto tour on Sunday. It's actually easy: you get off Vaporetto line 12 at the last stop in Venice and you're only a 15 minute walk from the Ghetto. We did that and it worked out great.

Also, the vaporetti take a long time (with all the stops) so you might not want to be on them all day Monday going so close to the airport (Burano is right next to the airport) and having to go all the way back to Venice just to turn around and head back in the same direction.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on July 29, 2014, 07:25:52 PM


Dang you beat me to it.

I agree with going to Gam Gam Goodies straight from the train station. We did it, but if you have a lot of luggage, it may be annoying - there are a few bridges to cross.


1-to be precise

Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on July 29, 2014, 07:36:09 PM
1-to be precise
And to be fair it's luggage friendly with the sloped stairs.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on July 29, 2014, 07:39:32 PM
1-to be precise
Really? I thought it was a few... could be wrong, I was busy starting at all the creepy masks everywhere.

And to be fair it's luggage friendly with the sloped stairs.
I think those sloped stairs about as friendly as United is.

Rialto on Friday is better. Also, if you're flight is on Monday at 4:00p you'd probably want to be there at 2:00p so you'd need to leave at 12:30ish from the Westin if you plan on taking Alilaguna to the airport.

That being said, you'd be better off going to Lido on Monday as @Yehuda suggested and going to Murano/Burano and the ghetto tour on Sunday. It's actually easy: you get off Vaporetto line 12 at the last stop in Venice and you're only a 15 minute walk from the Ghetto. We did that and it worked out great.

Also, the vaporetti take a long time (with all the stops) so you might not want to be on them all day Monday going so close to the airport (Burano is right next to the airport) and having to go all the way back to Venice just to turn around and head back in the same direction.
You're missing that he wants to go to Doge's Palace, too. I hear the idea about going to Burano and then going back just to get your bags, but either way the boat to Burano couldn't take him to the airport even if he wanted to go straight. I would do Doge's Sunday morning and Lido in the afternoon. M/B 9AM Monday and get a 1PM Alilaguna to the airport.

I would only think a Ghetto tour would be possible if you make it to Shacharis Sunday morning. Then, I would find the office and when the first tour is, take it. Then do Doge in the late morning, then Lido in the afternoon.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on July 29, 2014, 07:40:30 PM
Really? I thought it was a few... could be wrong, I was busy starting at all the creepy masks everywhere.
I think those sloped stairs about as friendly as United is.
Alol 😃
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: brotha123 on July 30, 2014, 12:05:04 AM
Going to be in Venice for 2 days which transportation passes should I get? I guess for both boat and busses...Going from airport to my hotel in Cannaregio .....I was told there are different types of passes. Thanx
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on July 30, 2014, 12:37:26 AM
Going to be in Venice for 2 days which transportation passes should I get? I guess for both boat and busses...Going from airport to my hotel in Cannaregio .....I was told there are different types of passes. Thanx
FME the passes aren't a good deal. From what I saw you can buy a half day pass and a full day pass (maybe even a 2 day pass) but a Vaparetto ride is 7€ and the half day was 18€ so you'd have to take 3 rides in 12 hours to make it worth it. Unless you're Yehoshua, that's kinda hard to do.

Everything on the mainland is walking distance. The only reason to take a Vaparetto from the train to your hotel (not sure where yours is exactly) is because you have luggage, but walking to San Marco from the train is just 5 min longer than from the Jewish Ghetto.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on July 30, 2014, 12:39:16 AM
Going to be in Venice for 2 days which transportation passes should I get? I guess for both boat and busses...Going from airport to my hotel in Cannaregio .....I was told there are different types of passes. Thanx
You beat me this time @Yehuda

You don't really need a boat pass around Venice, although if you really didn't like walking you could get one I suppose. The ghetto is in Cannaregio and it's only 30 minutes or so to Piazza San Marco. Each vaproetto ride is 7€ and a 12 hour pass is 18€. Do the math and figure out if it makes sense to you.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on July 30, 2014, 12:50:45 AM
The ghetto is in Cannaregio
Well then his hotel is definitely walking distance from the train.

You really only need the Vaparetto to go to Lido, Murano, and Burano.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on July 30, 2014, 12:52:12 AM
Well then his hotel is definitely walking distance from the train.

You really only need the Vaparetto to go to Lido, Murano, and Burano.
And the airport, but it's a different company so a pass wouldn't work anyway.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on July 30, 2014, 12:55:58 AM
And the airport, but it's a different company so a pass wouldn't work anyway.
Hence why I said "Vaparetto" ;)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on July 30, 2014, 01:02:07 AM
Hence why I said "Vaparetto" ;)
;) Just in case he doesn't know the difference between an ACTV vaporetto and Alilaguna, but you're correct.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: brotha123 on July 30, 2014, 01:09:16 AM
You guys are great ;). 
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on July 30, 2014, 01:10:25 AM
You guys are great ;).
Glad to help!
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: SRM on July 30, 2014, 08:32:03 AM
I would only think a Ghetto tour would be possible if you make it to Shacharis Sunday morning. Then, I would find the office and when the first tour is, take it. Then do Doge in the late morning, then Lido in the afternoon.

From the research I've done it seems the tour is given every hour on the half hour starting at 10:30 AM
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on July 30, 2014, 10:36:12 AM
From the research I've done it seems the tour is given every hour on the half hour starting at 10:30 AM
So that makes things a bit more complicated. Not sure what to suggest then, you may have to pass on one of your activities.

I would say to only go to Lido if you guys are really in need of a beach day. It wasn't a particularly beautiful beach like they say exist in Hawaii. (ah, one day...)
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on July 30, 2014, 10:50:47 AM
From the research I've done it seems the tour is given every hour on the half hour starting at 10:30 AM
We skipped both the ghetto tour and Lido.  While we got to see the shul both during the week (for pictures) and on shabbos, we didn't get the history. Also, if you skip Lido to do the ghetto tour Monday morning you might not get back to the Westin in time to leave for the airport.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: yls2011 on July 30, 2014, 06:13:08 PM
I think that we will try to fit everything else in, and then only do Lido if we have time. We live in LA, so going to the beach isn't a necessity.
Title: Re: Venice Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua