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Title: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on July 07, 2013, 03:39:59 PM
Figured it would be nice to discuss all ex-TLV flights in one thread.
This could include new routes, closed routes, equipment changes on routes, etc.

For example, I had no idea that Korean Air has a direct flight to ICN from TLV a few days every week. Anyone ever take this route?

Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Dan on July 07, 2013, 03:42:50 PM
For example, I had no idea that Korean Air has a direct flight to ICN from TLV a few days every week.
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/29430 :)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Side incomer on July 07, 2013, 03:43:10 PM
For example, I had no idea that Korean Air has a direct flight to ICN from TLV a few days every week. Anyone ever take this route?

Never took, but booked many people there.

The only airline flying direct to Asia besides LY.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on July 07, 2013, 03:47:46 PM
Never took, but booked many people there.

The only airline flying direct to Asia besides LY.
Never had a clue. Was always hoping to see some competition. Now if only CX will start s/t.

http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/29430 :)
Rereading the post, I see where you made the reference. I guess I hadn't read it closely enough the first time.

Which SkyTeam member is the best to book this with?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Centurion on July 07, 2013, 03:52:24 PM
i flew with united miles .

korean switched planes on us  so i got a seat in business

then from ICN to JFK (OZ) Asiana Airlines 222

very nice flight  not a great as CX
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on July 07, 2013, 03:54:07 PM
i flew with united miles switched planes on us  so i got a seat in business

then from ICN to JFK (OZ) Asiana Airlines 222

very nice flight  not a great as CX
UA switched you to Korean?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Centurion on July 07, 2013, 03:55:59 PM
i corrected the post
i meant the way i "paid" for the ticket was with united miles
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on July 07, 2013, 03:59:11 PM
i corrected the post
i meant the way i "paid" for the ticket was with united miles
UA allows redemptions on Korean?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Centurion on July 07, 2013, 04:56:52 PM
asiana airlines flying from korea
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Side incomer on July 07, 2013, 04:59:13 PM
asiana airlines flying from korea
In that case it was off-topic in this thread...
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: andrew on July 07, 2013, 05:00:43 PM
ex-route yul-tlv
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 07, 2013, 05:07:10 PM
Never took, but booked many people there.

The only airline flying direct to Asia besides LY.
I did. Nice flight. Empty in J/F.

Beware the reg KSML is not glatt (oddly the hot portion came from a different caterer and was glatt), although I don't know if they have a SKML.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Dan on July 07, 2013, 05:11:11 PM
I did. Nice flight. Empty in J/F.
Did you book via KE?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on July 07, 2013, 05:11:43 PM
Which SkyTeam member is the best to book this with?
Any ideas of creative routings that can be done?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Bp on July 07, 2013, 05:59:28 PM

For example, I had no idea that Korean Air has a direct flight to ICN from TLV a few days every week. Anyone ever take this route?


Maybe the bloggers know about this!!
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on July 07, 2013, 10:20:40 PM
Maybe the bloggers know about this!!
They do!!!
Dan mentioned it in his post that he linked to!!

Your excitement is contagious, and frankly, a breath of fresh air!
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Side incomer on July 07, 2013, 10:21:56 PM
They do!!!
Dan mentioned it in his post that he linked to!!

Your excitement is contagious, and frankly, a breath of fresh air!

I think you were missing his point...
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on July 07, 2013, 10:22:34 PM
I think you were missing his point...
I likely was. Care to explain?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on July 08, 2013, 01:59:45 PM
A good master thread on FT.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/el-al-matmid/1052147-new-routes-extra-frequencies-tlv-all-airlines-39.html

And an interesting rumor, also from FT.
Think it has any meaning?
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/el-al-matmid/1482172-fuel-fire-aa-tlv-rumors.html
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Dan on July 08, 2013, 02:02:55 PM
Many routes are in this post. Feel free to Wikify them all:
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/23168
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: David B on July 10, 2013, 11:14:14 AM
Has anyone flown the AMS-TLV route on KLM in Business recently (and care to comment)? 

I can't get straight answer from KLM/Delta on what the cabin looks like, or how it is configured.  It's a 737, and according to both Seatguru as well as the KLM website, Business Class is a 3x3 configuration, with the middle seat blocked on each side.  Which basically means the cabin is awful, as it would have the same seat as Economy Comfort, just without anyone sitting next to you.

But according the the Delta/KLM reps on the phone, the cabin is 1 x 2 x 1 and isn't the same seat....????!?!?!?!?

Anyone flown KLM recently?  If you fly KLM from JFK-TLV, you can get a DL flight on the JFK-AMS portion, and that's the lie flat seat on the 767.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Chaikel on July 10, 2013, 11:18:00 AM
Date?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: David B on July 10, 2013, 11:28:31 AM
Date?

I will be flying the JFK-TLV route in two weeks, on July 24th, DL from JFK to TLV, connecting to KLM from AMS-TLV, flight 461, returning one week later the same way, KLM Flight 462 from TLV-AMS, and then DL from AMS-JFK

Curious about the AMS-TLV business class cabin....keep gettign conflicting information.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Mile Run on July 10, 2013, 11:45:00 AM
TowerAir
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on July 10, 2013, 02:19:34 PM
TowerAir
??
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Ergel on July 10, 2013, 03:23:54 PM
??
Doesn't know what ex means
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Chaikel on July 10, 2013, 04:23:59 PM
I will be flying the JFK-TLV route in two weeks, on July 24th, DL from JFK to TLV, connecting to KLM from AMS-TLV, flight 461, returning one week later the same way, KLM Flight 462 from TLV-AMS, and then DL from AMS-JFK

Curious about the AMS-TLV business class cabin....keep gettign conflicting information.
It's economy seats
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: David B on July 10, 2013, 10:16:42 PM
It's economy seats

Thanks for the heads-up....Oh well....
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shmooz on July 11, 2013, 12:31:59 AM
Looking at a flight TLV-FRA-IAD on LH in biz. I know the seats to FRA are not really biz but what about FRA-IAD? The LH chart shows the flight 416 is not yet the new biz, but how bad is the old biz on that route?
fyi chart is here  http://www.lufthansa.com/de/en/Business-Class-Product
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 11, 2013, 12:32:59 AM
It's economy seats
Are your sure? I think KLM alternates.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 11, 2013, 12:33:27 AM
Looking at a flight TLV-FRA-IAD on LH in biz. I know the seats to FRA are not really biz but what about FRA-IAD? The LH chart shows the flight 416 is not yet the new biz, but how bad is the old biz on that route?
fyi chart is here  http://www.lufthansa.com/de/en/Business-Class-Product
If it's a 747 800 it will have the new business, quite a nice plane.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shmooz on July 11, 2013, 12:36:04 AM
If it's a 747 800 it will have the new business, quite a nice plane.

It's A330-300, so not new, how bad is the old compared to UA or LY?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 11, 2013, 12:37:10 AM
It's A330-300, so not new, how bad is the old compared to UA or LY?
Its much worse than UA if you want to sleep.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shmooz on July 11, 2013, 12:44:14 AM
Yes must sleep after being up all night to make 5am flight and economy seat to FRA. It's uncomfortable because not lie flat? Worse or same than LY?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on July 11, 2013, 01:36:21 AM
Some more budget airline routes.
http://igoogledisrael.com/2013/07/even-more-flights-to-tel-aviv-open-up-now-from-lithuania-poland-and-romania/?utm_source=feedly
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: 972sg212 on July 11, 2013, 02:15:29 AM
Wizz Air to launch 3 Tel Aviv-East European routes - Globes (http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000860948&fid=1725)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on July 11, 2013, 04:28:40 AM
Wizz Air to launch 3 Tel Aviv-East European routes - Globes (http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000860948&fid=1725)

Some more budget airline routes.
http://igoogledisrael.com/2013/07/even-more-flights-to-tel-aviv-open-up-now-from-lithuania-poland-and-romania/?utm_source=feedly

You were a few minutes too late  :)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Chaikel on July 11, 2013, 07:12:12 AM
Are your sure? I think KLM alternates.
According to the seat map that Sabre pulls up
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Bp on July 11, 2013, 09:11:09 AM
Interesting, Wouldn't think that kleusenburg had a market for TLV.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: 972sg212 on July 11, 2013, 12:49:47 PM
You were a few minutes too late  :)

Did you read the article I posted ?
A little more detailed
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on August 15, 2013, 12:58:14 AM
Here's a good summary of all budget carriers w/ flights from TLV.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/el-al-matmid/1493864-master-thread-list-all-low-cost-flights-tlv.html

I'll take the liberty to copy/paste.

Basel
Easyjet ~ 4x per week

Bucharest
Wizzair ~ 2x per week

Budapest
Wizzair ~ 7x per week.

Cologne-bonn
Germanwings ~ 2x per week

Cluj-Napoca
Wizzair ~ 2x per week (starting 24/11/13)

Geneva
Easyjet ~ 4-5x per week

Istanbul (SAW)
Pegasus ~ 10-14x per week
(offers cheap connections to many European destinations)

Katowice
Wizzair ~ 3x per week (starting 29/10/2013)

Liege
Jetairfly ~ 2x per week.

London Luton
Easyjet ~ 9-11x per week.

Manchester
Easyjet ~ 2x per week
Jet2 ~ 2x per week

Paris
Air Mediterrane ~ 3-5x per week

Riga
Air Baltic ~ 5x per week.

Rome
Easyjet ~ 2x per week (starting 24/9/2013).

Stockholm
Norwegian ~ 2x per week

Vilnius
Wizzair ~ 2x per week (starting 27/10/2013)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: jr611 on August 15, 2013, 01:01:58 AM
Here's a good summary of all budget carriers w/ flights from TLV.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/el-al-matmid/1493864-master-thread-list-all-low-cost-flights-tlv.html

Forgot Meridiana TLV-MXP
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on August 15, 2013, 01:12:04 AM
Some comments:
I see TLV - Rome for as low as around $170 RT, and cheaper if you can leave on shabbos (via the use of many shinuim). However, besides shabbos, there is only 1 other weekly flight.

TLV - Geneva has very good outbound fares, but high return fares. Can probably build an itin for <$250 if you can make the dates work.

TLV - Manchester can be had for under $225.

TLV - Basel has good prices in both directions for around $175 total.

Keep in mind that many of these prices aren't for the summer months (EasyJet doesn't show availability out that far), and they are only this low when booking a few months in advance.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Bostener on August 15, 2013, 01:30:13 AM
Wow! We need own skies policy from NY to TLV too!
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Dan on August 15, 2013, 01:36:43 AM
Wow! We need own skies policy from NY to TLV too!
There is.
LCCs don't generally have spare 777s.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Galitzyaner on August 15, 2013, 01:44:19 AM
There is.
LCCs don't generally have spare 777s.
Spare??  On such a profitable route?! :-\
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Galitzyaner on August 15, 2013, 01:48:40 AM
Some comments:
....., and cheaper if you can leave on shabbos (via the use of many shinuim).
Hmm interesting!  It leaves on Shabbos?  Or close to Shabbos?

Can you expound (or link) on what you're referring to with those shinuiyim?! :D
Keep in mind that many of these prices aren't for the summer months (EasyJet doesn't show availability out that far), and they are only this low when booking a few months in advance.
+1000000
Many a time the fares are way higher than this.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on August 15, 2013, 02:54:01 AM
Hmm interesting!  It leaves on Shabbos?  Or close to Shabbos?

Can you expound (or link) on what you're referring to with those shinuiyim?! :D+1000000
Many a time the fares are way higher than this.

Ask your LRR

I see months of these prices, but usually from November thru March.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: moish on August 15, 2013, 06:43:38 PM
travel service/smartwings to prague
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: moish on August 15, 2013, 06:43:52 PM
wikify?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: 972sg212 on August 16, 2013, 01:30:14 AM
El Al switches to profit

 (http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000872488&fid=1725)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on August 20, 2013, 06:52:10 AM
This isn't ex-TLV, but I see that Turkish started flights to KTM (Nepal).
40k RT in economy w/ UA miles.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on August 27, 2013, 07:45:08 AM
Perhaps some more direct TLV-China flights will open up in the near future?
http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_article.php?id=11605
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on August 29, 2013, 03:28:35 AM
2 weekly flights on Wizz to Warsaw.
http://airlineroute.net/2013/08/29/w6-wawtlv-nov13/
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: 972sg212 on August 29, 2013, 02:51:31 PM
2 weekly flights on Wizz to Warsaw.
http://airlineroute.net/2013/08/29/w6-wawtlv-nov13/

Wizz Air to launch Tel Aviv-Warsaw route

 (http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000875459&fid=1725)

Guess I posted in the wrong thread
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on August 29, 2013, 02:57:05 PM
Guess I posted in the wrong thread
Yup
:)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on October 09, 2013, 12:38:42 PM
I wonder if this will do anything to lower prices to Canada.
http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000884204

Oddly enough, Katz said it'll increase it to 12 a week, but according to the article it's already 11 a week.

Also, a new LY no-show fee.
http://www.janglo.net/component/option,com_adsmanager/page,display/tid,285484/catid,99/Itemid,361
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Dan on October 09, 2013, 12:54:27 PM
I wonder if this will do anything to lower prices to Canada.
http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000884204

Oddly enough, Katz said it'll increase it to 12 a week, but according to the article it's already 11 a week.
So they've added an allowance for 1 flight a week. Who cares?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on October 09, 2013, 12:57:48 PM
So they've added an allowance for 1 flight a week. Who cares?
That's why I'm wondering if I'm missing something in it.
It may also be to formalize something technical. I thought I had read that somewhere.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on October 10, 2013, 05:01:11 AM
Acc to FT, the KE flight will now have lie flat beds in J.
What's the cheapest way to fly J to ICN? On the way to the US? (I remember that Dan did this a few years ago.)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 10, 2013, 08:49:59 AM
Acc to FT, the KE flight will now have lie flat beds in J.
What's the cheapest way to fly J to ICN? On the way to the US? (I remember that Dan did this a few years ago.)
It always had flat seats in J, you can see the seat type on their website.


http://www.janglo.net/component/option,com_adsmanager/page,display/tid,285484/catid,99/Itemid,361

They make it sound like a special fine you have to pay if you miss your flight... it's just a higher change fee, many airlines have that.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on October 10, 2013, 09:07:58 AM
It always had flat seats in J, you can see the seat type on their website.

According to SeatGuru, the 777-200 they're flying now is angled flat in J.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Dan on October 10, 2013, 10:02:21 AM
140k AS to fly KE J to the Middle East RT... anyone book that to TLV yet?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on October 10, 2013, 10:04:34 AM
140k AS to fly KE J to the Middle East RT... anyone book that to TLV yet?
Does it price out on their website? And do they allow stopovers?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Bp on October 13, 2013, 12:47:12 AM
And do they allow stopovers?
oh how would you know the bloggers didn't post about it yet.

Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on October 13, 2013, 01:14:39 AM
oh how would you know the bloggers didn't post about it yet.


Exactly, that's my issue. If only the bloggers had posted about this, I'd have been able to post about it here.
Especially if Sir Pickles had posted it. He's the BEST!
Sigh....
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 13, 2013, 10:28:11 AM
According to SeatGuru, the 777-200 they're flying now is angled flat in J.
(http://i40.tinypic.com/hrnalg.png)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on October 13, 2013, 10:34:23 AM
Maybe they're showing what the new aircraft setup will be? That is what the page says.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 13, 2013, 10:42:08 AM
Maybe they're showing what the new aircraft setup will be? That is what the page says.

I've been on the plane and tell you for a fact it's lie flat.

The page I posted also lists the departure date as 10/19.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Dan on October 13, 2013, 11:11:52 AM
I've been on the plane and tell you for a fact it's lie flat.
By far and away the best seat that flies into TLV.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 13, 2013, 11:13:26 AM
By far and away the best seat that flies into TLV.

That sells into TLV. LX F also flies into TLV.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Dan on October 13, 2013, 11:15:33 AM
That sells into TLV. LX F also flies into TLV.
But without LX F service KE still wins easy.
Plus according to you LX often downguages that route.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ilherman on October 13, 2013, 04:57:34 PM
According to the seat map that Sabre pulls up
Confirming AMS-TLV business class is regular economy plus with the middle seat empty.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: meshugener on October 13, 2013, 07:20:17 PM
KE blocks its premium availability for partners?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 13, 2013, 07:24:32 PM
KE blocks its premium availability for partners?
Most of it, yes.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: meshugener on October 13, 2013, 08:27:39 PM
Only most of it?
Did you ever see KE first or business availability on on DL?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: AJK on October 13, 2013, 08:43:58 PM
DL doesnt book F awards, period.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on October 14, 2013, 09:18:22 AM
Wasn't sure where to put this, and it may have been obvious, but I searched AMM-SYD on DL to see if it would pull up the direct AMM flight on Virgin Australia. Instead, it routed me through CDG and LAX on the way, which is quite a distance out of the way.
This would also allow for a stopover in the US.
Too bad about the >$700 YQ + 140k miles (Y class).

Edit: It appears that it may be piecing together 2 different awards, but I can't tell. Any insights?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chff on October 14, 2013, 10:09:26 AM
Wasn't sure where to put this, and it may have been obvious, but I searched AMM-SYD on DL to see if it would pull up the direct AMM flight on Virgin Australia.

AMM-SYD on VA?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 14, 2013, 10:12:00 AM
No such flight
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on October 14, 2013, 10:30:53 AM
No such flight
I guess it didn't make sense.
I had seen it here, http://www.virginaustralia.com/au/en/plan/destinations/destination-guides/, and thought it existed.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on October 15, 2013, 06:42:15 AM
New El Al schedule to Venice.
Some of the flights are also on sale w/ the current sale.

http://airlineroute.net/2013/10/14/ly-vce-w13/
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on October 17, 2013, 12:41:08 AM
LY service to Larnaca.
http://airlineroute.net/2013/10/15/ly-lca-w13/
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: moish on October 17, 2013, 01:23:30 PM
its on the elal sale page
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on October 21, 2013, 04:18:30 PM
Well this is good news.
Norwegian starting LGW-TLV service.
http://airlineroute.net/2013/10/21/dy-lgwtlv-s14/

The more discount carriers, the better.

Yay for Open Skies.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 21, 2013, 04:20:12 PM
Is their Ny flight from Gatwick or Heathrow?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on October 21, 2013, 04:24:03 PM
Is their Ny flight from Gatwick or Heathrow?
LGW
http://www.theflightdeal.com/2013/10/17/norwegian-air-shuttle-491-york-fort-lauderdale-london-england-roundtrip-including-taxes/
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: meshugener on October 21, 2013, 04:47:58 PM
So they'll let you do JFK-LGW-TLV?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 21, 2013, 04:49:38 PM
So they'll let you do JFK-LGW-TLV?
I would suspect that's why they're doing this LGWTLV flight. All depends on flight schedule though.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: lifetimedeals on October 21, 2013, 05:26:25 PM
have a question if anybody would know if I see a flight from Washington dc to TLV with a stop the stop is JFK can I start out from JFK and skip the start out of DC ? I don't see why not
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: AJK on October 21, 2013, 05:38:11 PM
You can book it, but by the time the flight go to JFK your ticket would be voided.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: lifetimedeals on October 21, 2013, 05:43:08 PM
You can book it, but by the time the flight go to JFK your ticket would be voided.
so u know for sure you have to leave from there first? but on way back can walk out of jfk and not continue
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: meshugener on October 21, 2013, 06:03:51 PM
Yeah, I think AJK knows for sure.

On the return at JFK you can leave the airport.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chucksterace on October 21, 2013, 06:15:08 PM
have a question if anybody would know if I see a flight from Washington dc to TLV with a stop the stop is JFK can I start out from JFK and skip the start out of DC ? I don't see why not

No. If you ditch the first leg your ticket will cancel out.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: lifetimedeals on October 21, 2013, 06:15:37 PM
Yeah, I think AJK knows for sure.

On the return at JFK you can leave the airport.
thanks, which type miles/points can be transferred into delta miles?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: AJK on October 21, 2013, 06:20:53 PM
SPG and MR.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: lifetimedeals on October 21, 2013, 06:22:16 PM
SPG and MR.
thanks MR is 1 for 1 ?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: MEIR613 on October 21, 2013, 06:24:56 PM
SPG and MR.
Criiingggg.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: lifetimedeals on October 21, 2013, 06:27:02 PM
thanks MR is 1 for 1 ?
wow just searched there is a fee to transfer
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on October 22, 2013, 01:48:25 AM
First off, this is the wrong thread.
Secondly, Dan has posted repeatadly that you can't skip any of the initial legs of an itin.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: meshugener on October 23, 2013, 10:29:52 AM
I know there isn't, but just giving it a try in case I miss something.

Is there an airline that partners with both - ElAl and EK?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Bp on October 23, 2013, 11:07:47 AM
I know there isn't, but just giving it a try in case I miss something.

Is there an airline that partners with both - ElAl and EK?
QF
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Side incomer on October 23, 2013, 11:17:20 AM
QF
But keep in mind that when booked with them, bags won't go through, as there is no interline agreement.

#learnedthehardway
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: meshugener on October 23, 2013, 12:04:03 PM
QF
  Thanks!

But keep in mind that when booked with them, bags won't go through, as there is no interline agreement.

#learnedthehardway
That's a huge downside, but as long I can do it on one ticket (so airline is responsible in the event of delays) its still a viable option.

Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Side incomer on October 23, 2013, 01:02:52 PM
  Thanks!
 That's a huge downside, but as long I can do it on one ticket (so airline is responsible in the event of delays) its still a viable option.

If I may ask: are you trying to do JFK-MXP-TLV?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: meshugener on October 23, 2013, 01:38:00 PM
Yep...
You smart guy...
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: MEIR613 on October 23, 2013, 02:49:28 PM
I know there isn't, but just giving it a try in case I miss something.

Is there an airline that partners with both - ElAl and DL?
Looks like Aeromexico is.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: meshugener on October 23, 2013, 05:14:14 PM
Looks like Aeromexico is.
And how does that help me?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 23, 2013, 05:17:25 PM
Looks like Aeromexico is.
AM has nothing to do with Elal.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Side incomer on October 23, 2013, 06:11:20 PM
Looks like Aeromexico is.
Fly Luxus made them a home-made partner of LY. But in general, they have no connection.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Bp on October 23, 2013, 06:11:27 PM
Looks like Meir is confusing AM with  flylux, lol
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: meshugener on October 23, 2013, 07:08:16 PM
If I may ask: are you trying to do JFK-MXP-TLV?
Interesting, they say total YQ and taxes would be around $200.
Does that make sense?
Emirates itself charges over $1,000 in YQ.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Side incomer on October 23, 2013, 07:22:16 PM
Interesting, they say total YQ and taxes would be around $200.
Does that make sense?
Emirates itself charges over $1,000 in YQ.
QF does not have YQ on EK ex-US or into US.
But they do have on all other EK flights.

EK used to be like that (no YQ on ex-UA) until a few months ago.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: meshugener on October 23, 2013, 08:49:01 PM
Wow, that's awesome.
Thanks for your help.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: MEIR613 on October 23, 2013, 09:26:52 PM
Fly Luxus made them a home-made partner of LY. But in general, they have no connection.
Thanks.

Just saw on Elal.com that they partner with AM. 

So I guess there is no way to put DL and LY on the same ressy.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: meshugener on October 23, 2013, 10:14:11 PM
If there's a will there's a way.

Not that I know something, just saying.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on October 28, 2013, 05:33:36 AM
FYI, Terminal 1 is reopening for low-cost flights.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/173273#.Um4tanCnrqQ
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Jkhein on October 28, 2013, 06:26:50 AM
FYI, Terminal 1 is reopening for low-cost flights.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/173273#.Um4tanCnrqQ
it's been open for years now for easyjet, wizzair etc.
Maybe they mean that flights will actually depart from there now, as opposed to untill now you had to transfer back to T3 afterwards.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on October 28, 2013, 06:58:43 AM
it's been open for years now for easyjet, wizzair etc.
Maybe they mean that flights will actually depart from there now, as opposed to untill now you had to transfer back to T3 afterwards.
What do you mean that you've had to transfer back to T3?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Jkhein on October 28, 2013, 07:10:27 AM
What do you mean that you've had to transfer back to T3?
After check in and security, a bus would transfer you to the gates at T3.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: moish on October 28, 2013, 05:03:00 PM
its been used for eilat flights
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: bentch on October 30, 2013, 11:39:40 PM
http://www.janglo.net/component/option,com_adsmanager/page,display/tid,288010/catid,99/Itemid,361

New expanded low-budget flights to-from israel starting winter
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on November 04, 2013, 07:22:11 AM
EasyJet applied to fly 3 weekly flights to SXF (Berlin).
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on November 07, 2013, 01:36:50 AM
LY will have a low-cost subsidary?
http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000891957&fid=942

With their lack of organizational control, I kinda doubt it.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Jkhein on November 14, 2013, 04:25:41 AM
OS considering adding a third flight to TLV
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4453381,00.html
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 17, 2013, 09:34:17 AM
Anyone know why UA84/85 are late this Friday/Saturday?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: fresar on November 17, 2013, 08:45:31 PM
can someone explain this route?
LH 8341

why to turkey?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: avremie on November 17, 2013, 10:38:10 PM
is it possible to get nyc-tlv in saver first with UA?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chucksterace on November 17, 2013, 11:01:55 PM

is it possible to get nyc-tlv in saver first with UA?

Ua only flies two cabin 777, coach and Business/First. And yes it is possible to get Saver Business/First for those flights.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: avremie on November 17, 2013, 11:51:10 PM
thanx. any UA partner airline that has real first?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Ergel on November 17, 2013, 11:59:11 PM
thanx. any UA partner airline that has real first?
LH, but you can only book <15 out
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chucksterace on November 18, 2013, 12:02:13 AM

LH, but you can only book <15 out

And that is only to FRA/MUC. From there only European business. Doesn't LX have first class on their A330 which they sometimes fly to TLV?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Ergel on November 18, 2013, 12:03:01 AM
And that is only to FRA/MUC. From there only European business. Doesn't LX have first class on their A330 which they sometimes fly to TLV?
LX doesn't release F space to partners
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chucksterace on November 18, 2013, 12:13:53 AM

LX doesn't release F space to partners

Gotchya.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: gold on November 18, 2013, 05:57:48 PM
can someone explain this route?
LH 8341

why to turkey?

cargo
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 18, 2013, 06:01:57 PM
LX doesn't release F space to partners
LX doesn't sell F at all on ZRHTLVZRH
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: satturn on November 19, 2013, 03:25:59 PM
Saw fly luxus mentioned. What are they? Just selling business class points tickets? Or something else? Some israeli guy told me i got to speak to them.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Jkhein on November 19, 2013, 05:02:39 PM
Saw fly luxus mentioned. What are they? Just selling business class points tickets? Or something else? Some israeli guy told me i got to speak to them.
they pull alot of shtick with airlines, and many of the times it gets cancelled a day before the flight, you are left without a ticket, luxus will not help you. My advice from experience, is to keep far away from them.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chucksterace on November 21, 2013, 06:28:44 AM
EasyJet applied to fly 3 weekly flights to SXF (Berlin).

http://www.jpost.com/Business/Business-Features/EasyJet-to-begin-direct-Tel-Aviv-Berlin-in-February-332552
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on November 26, 2013, 04:11:55 AM
El Al is having their news conference today (I think) about their new 'low-cost' subsidary.

Also, per this FT thread, http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/el-al-matmid/1520832-agreement-philippines-direct-flights-2.html, there is an agreement for flights to the Philippines.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: travel agent on November 26, 2013, 09:41:53 AM
Anyone know why UA84/85 are late this Friday/Saturday?

because TLV is closed on Sat. mornings now for renovations or so.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Dan on November 26, 2013, 01:40:49 PM
El Al is having their news conference today (I think) about their new 'low-cost' subsidary.
LY thinks they can succeed where CO, DL, and UA failed miserably?
That's cute.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on November 26, 2013, 01:53:09 PM
LY thinks they can succeed where CO, DL, and UA failed miserably?
That's cute.
I don't think it'll work, but the European market is diff than the US market and LCCs seem to do quite well. But their structural problems won't allow it to work for them IMO.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: hertzinstl on November 26, 2013, 01:53:29 PM
LY thinks they can succeed where CO, DL, and UA failed miserably?
That's cute.
Israelis ::)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Dan on November 26, 2013, 01:59:27 PM
I don't think it'll work, but the European market is diff than the US market and LCCs seem to do quite well. But their structural problems won't allow it to work for them IMO.
LCCs do well everywhere.
LCCs run by big airlines do not.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on November 26, 2013, 02:02:09 PM
LCCs do well everywhere.
LCCs run by big airlines do not.
LY is quite a small airline, and if done properly (ie, none of the legacy overhead), may be able to succeed.
But it's LY we're talking about...
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Bp on November 26, 2013, 02:06:40 PM
LY is quite a small airline, and if done properly (ie, none of the legacy overhead), may be able to succeed.
But it's LY we're talking about...
there main draw is there legacy overhead,crazy security etc.. they don't offer anything else as far as hard product and service.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on November 26, 2013, 02:09:38 PM
they don't offer anything else as far as hard product and service.
The other LLC's are much to sneeze at either.
If LY could compete on price, than many ppl would prefer to fly them to support the flag.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 26, 2013, 02:17:49 PM
LY thinks they can succeed where CO, DL, and UA failed miserably?
That's cute.
They wouldn't even know that other airlines tried and failed.

LY is quite a small airline, and if done properly (ie, none of the legacy overhead), may be able to succeed.
But it's LY we're talking about...
They lowered the price without lowering the cost structure it's just a big joke.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Dan on November 26, 2013, 02:18:54 PM
They wouldn't even know that other airlines tried and failed.
alol!
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on November 26, 2013, 02:20:29 PM

They lowered the price without lowering the cost structure it's just a big joke.
And that's why they won't compete till they can shed their union costs. But I don't think that even a bankruptcy would help w/ those.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shimino1 on November 26, 2013, 03:48:11 PM
I read in one newspaper that elal is also thinking of puting out a credit card, anyone know about this?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: 972sg212 on November 26, 2013, 04:18:15 PM
El Al launches low-cost flight brand "Up"

 (http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000896893&fid=1725)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 26, 2013, 05:04:22 PM
I read in one newspaper that elal is also thinking of puting out a credit card, anyone know about this?
They're trying to do it, yes.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on November 27, 2013, 07:39:36 AM
Chk out the Wiki in the FT for pricing and other details of UP.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/el-al-matmid/1519205-el-al-launch-low-cost-flights-europe-3.html
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Jkhein on December 05, 2013, 09:04:05 AM
Easyjet to add 3 weekly flights to London (LGW) from May 2014, bookable from next week.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on December 18, 2013, 04:46:05 AM
Direct flights to Belgrade on Air Serbia.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/175243#.UrFt5NIW0fQ
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: travel agent on December 18, 2013, 07:56:31 AM
Turkey signed today an agreement to allow Israeli airlines to fly to Turkey
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: jaywhy on December 18, 2013, 07:57:16 AM
Shkedy is calling, he wants his job back ;D
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on December 18, 2013, 08:47:55 AM
Turkey signed today an agreement to allow Israeli airlines to fly to Turkey
link?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chucksterace on December 18, 2013, 09:31:47 AM
link?

GIYF - But since I am in a good mood..

http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000902690

http://www.timesofisrael.com/after-six-year-hiatus-israeli-planes-to-fly-to-turkey-again/
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on December 18, 2013, 10:29:17 AM
Wizz Air to/from Lviv

http://airlineroute.net/2013/12/18/wu-lwo-s14update2/
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on December 25, 2013, 08:21:08 AM
Easy Jet to CDG.
http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000904407

Gonna drive LY outta biz soon...
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: hocker on December 26, 2013, 02:52:20 PM
Any LCC for TLV-BRU (or close by)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on December 26, 2013, 03:12:13 PM
Wizz Air to/from Lviv

http://airlineroute.net/2013/12/18/wu-lwo-s14update2/
And now to Sofia as well.
It's a real pity that they charge an arm and leg to check a bag.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Jkhein on December 26, 2013, 03:13:30 PM
Any LCC for TLV-BRU (or close by)
Yes, jetairfly.com TLV-LGG
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Dan on December 26, 2013, 03:14:53 PM
Gonna drive LY outta biz soon...
Obviously Israel values having more tourists over having a flag carrier.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on December 26, 2013, 03:19:36 PM
Obviously Israel values having more tourists over having a flag carrier.
LY will never go under due to their political power. But until they undergo a well needed restructuring, they're gonna struggle.

I'd enjoy meeting ELY001 on FT. Seems like he's part of an ownership grp trying to put in a bid.

Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 30, 2013, 07:20:39 PM
Today (December 31) only - El Al "Fun Day" sale: a one-day sale on TLV-Europe flights: http://www.elal.co.il/ELAL/Hebrew/Deals/Deals/Campaigns_items/He_ELAL_Fun_Day_Campaign_261213.htm

Vienna for under 200 bucks ain't bad. :)
Title: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chucksterace on December 31, 2013, 02:49:07 AM
Today (December 31) only - El Al "Fun Day" sale: a one-day sale on TLV-Europe flights: http://www.elal.co.il/ELAL/Hebrew/Deals/Deals/Campaigns_items/He_ELAL_Fun_Day_Campaign_261213.htm

Vienna for under 200 bucks ain't bad. :)

$300 to Milan. Bookable on Orbitz and this is a good way for me to spend my Orbitz voucher. Thanks El Al. Hello Milan.

Ps. Good thing I got that Platinum Status
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 31, 2013, 09:48:24 AM
$300 to Milan. Bookable on Orbitz and this is a good way for me to spend my Orbitz voucher. Thanks El Al. Hello Milan.

Ps. Good thing I got that Platinum Status

Bookable via me, too. :P

Here's the English link: http://www.elal.co.il/ELAL/English/SpecialOffers/SpecialOffers_items/En_ELAL_Fun_Day_Campaign_261213.htm
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chucksterace on December 31, 2013, 10:34:48 AM

Bookable via me, too. :P

Here's the English link: http://www.elal.co.il/ELAL/English/SpecialOffers/SpecialOffers_items/En_ELAL_Fun_Day_Campaign_261213.htm

But I dont think you would have taken my Orbitz voucher. Already heard back from them and they are crediting my CC the $250 the voucher was for. $50 ticket. Thank you Orbitz.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chucksterace on January 06, 2014, 06:15:35 AM
Today (December 31) only - El Al "Fun Day" sale: a one-day sale on TLV-Europe flights: http://www.elal.co.il/ELAL/Hebrew/Deals/Deals/Campaigns_items/He_ELAL_Fun_Day_Campaign_261213.htm

Vienna for under 200 bucks ain't bad. :)

They are having this Sale again tomorrow January 7th for One-Day Only (again).

English link - http://www.elal.co.il/ELAL/English/SpecialOffers/SpecialOffers_items/En_ELAL_Fun_Day_Campaign_261213.htm
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on January 06, 2014, 07:11:17 AM
Anyone remember the prices from the last time?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: harrym on January 09, 2014, 03:53:06 PM
This isn't ex-TLV, but I see that Turkish started flights to KTM (Nepal).
40k RT in economy w/ UA miles.
Is that the best way to go TLV - KTM, and are there any other options
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on January 09, 2014, 04:13:50 PM
Is that the best way to go TLV - KTM, and are there any other options
Chk out all the carriers who fly there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribhuvan_International_Airport

IST is the most direct, or at least it appears that way.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: harrym on January 09, 2014, 04:40:34 PM
Chk out all the carriers who fly there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribhuvan_International_Airport

IST is the most direct, or at least it appears that way.
Thanks, though I never heard of most of those airlines ever knew of United Airways ???
and thanks for all of your other posts on this thread, very useful, lots of cool things can be done from TLV in J on the cheap
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on January 09, 2014, 04:49:09 PM
Thanks, though I never heard of most of those airlines ever knew of United Airways ???
and thanks for all of your other posts on this thread, very useful, lots of cool things can be done from TLV in J on the cheap
Your other option would be to route through AMM and either DOH or AUH, but I'm unsure if there's a published routing, and if there isn't, you'd need to use an AA explorer award.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: harrym on January 09, 2014, 05:11:15 PM
Your other option would be to route through AMM and either DOH or AUH, but I'm unsure if there's a published routing, and if there isn't, you'd need to use an AA explorer award.
Qatar is already bookable on OW?
and how would routing go through AUH didn't know Etihad was part of OW
and third if it is published routing then how many AA miles RT in J
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on January 09, 2014, 11:46:13 PM
Qatar is already bookable on OW?
and how would routing go through AUH didn't know Etihad was part of OW
and third if it is published routing then how many AA miles RT in J
Qatar is, but only over the phone.
Etihad is a partner of AA.
If published, then it's per their chart.
http://www.aa.com/i18n/disclaimers/aadvantageAllPartnerChart.jsp#1

50k RT in J. Amazing value.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: gdam on January 10, 2014, 12:04:24 PM
Is that the best way to go TLV - KTM, and are there any other options

The best option is TLV-BOM-KTM  or TLV-AMM-DEL-KTM for 17K/25K AA
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: harrym on January 11, 2014, 12:49:24 PM
The best option is TLV-BOM-KTM  or TLV-AMM-DEL-KTM for 17K/25K AA
how are you getting from BOM - KTM?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on January 11, 2014, 12:51:56 PM
The best option is TLV-BOM-KTM  or TLV-AMM-DEL-KTM for 17K/25K AA
How are you flying BOM/DEL-KTM w/ One World?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: gdam on January 12, 2014, 01:21:52 AM
9W
Not oneworld , but AA partner
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on January 12, 2014, 01:43:52 AM
9W
Not oneworld , but AA partner
Does LY have a published routing if you route via BOM?
And is their website the only way to chk award availability?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: gdam on January 12, 2014, 04:53:56 AM
Does LY have a published routing if you route via BOM?
And is their website the only way to chk award availability?

I succesfully booked  TLV-BOM-DEL-KTM  and KTM-BOM-TLV  with AA miles , so i guess there is a published routing.
You can check their website but you need an active account with at least two activities. The other way is to call AA to check for 9W.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on January 12, 2014, 05:17:00 AM
I succesfully booked  TLV-BOM-DEL-KTM  and KTM-BOM-TLV  with AA miles , so i guess there is a published routing.
You can check their website but you need an active account with at least two activities. The other way is to call AA to check for 9W.
Is their J any good? Or just middle seat closed off for these short hauls?

Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on January 16, 2014, 10:45:16 AM
TLV-Manila soon?
http://www.interaksyon.com/business/78372/cebu-pacific-seeks-flag-carrier-status-for-flights-to-israel

LY would also be interested in the route.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: moish on January 19, 2014, 11:57:50 AM
Easy Jet to CDG.
http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000904407

Gonna drive LY outta biz soon...
not happening

http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000909660
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Got a clue on January 20, 2014, 12:32:54 PM
they pull alot of shtick with airlines, and many of the times it gets cancelled a day before the flight, you are left without a ticket, luxus will not help you. My advice from experience, is to keep far away from them.

Anybody book with them???
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Got a clue on January 20, 2014, 12:35:15 PM
Fly Luxus that is.. they are quoting me prices $300 less then everyone else
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on January 20, 2014, 01:23:39 PM
Anybody book with them???

As you quoted, JKhein wrote about them. Not enough of a warning?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Got a clue on January 20, 2014, 01:47:04 PM
I wanted to know if anyone had personal experience
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Jkhein on January 20, 2014, 02:01:18 PM
Fly Luxus that is.. they are quoting me prices $300 less then everyone else
stay away you have a big chance of coming to the flight and not being allowed on
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Got a clue on January 20, 2014, 02:02:44 PM
What does that even mean?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on January 20, 2014, 02:15:16 PM
What does that even mean?
I have no personal experience, but I do know that a travel agent's margin isn't over $300 and that he wouldn't have special access to rates that low. So if he's able to undercut the market so much, then I'd imagine there's s/t strange going on.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: AharonInIsrael on January 23, 2014, 06:28:35 PM
Anyone ever fly from TLV to one of DUB, EDI or GLA (I think I got all those right :) )?
It doesn't seem like there are any direct routes, and even the ones with a stopover (via ITA) are a bit pricey- in the $600 range.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: AharonInIsrael on January 25, 2014, 03:36:52 PM
Anyone ever fly from TLV to one of DUB, EDI or GLA (I think I got all those right :) )?
It doesn't seem like there are any direct routes, and even the ones with a stopover (via ITA) are a bit pricey- in the $600 range.
BUMPity BUMP
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on January 25, 2014, 03:39:22 PM
BUMPity BUMP
If those are the prices, why not use miles?
Also, did you check different legs sep? Maybe EasyJet to London, and then Avios, or s/t similar?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: AharonInIsrael on January 25, 2014, 03:41:07 PM
If those are the prices, why not use miles?
Also, did you check different legs sep? Maybe EasyJet to London, and then Avios, or s/t similar?
I didn't check different legs or the discount carriers. I'll try that. Thanks!
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on January 27, 2014, 04:24:07 AM
Anyone wanna sign a petition to start SFO-TLV non-stop?
http://sfotlv.org/
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Dan on January 27, 2014, 08:39:47 AM
Petitions are truly the world's biggest waste of time.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Moishebatchy on January 27, 2014, 08:53:34 AM
Any advice for TLV-GIB? Seems like a surprisingly impractical route to fly, unless I'm missing something.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: smart brit on January 27, 2014, 08:56:30 AM
Any advice for TLV-GIB? Seems like a surprisingly impractical route to fly, unless I'm missing something.
You are missing something!
As the Spanish are fighting the brits on Gibraltar the Spanish won't allows anyone to land in gib other than flights originating in the UK.
Ps you could fly into Agp (malga) and drive up to gib
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Moishebatchy on January 27, 2014, 09:00:02 AM
You are missing something!
As the Spanish are fighting the brits on Gibraltar the Spanish won't allows anyone to land in gib other than flights originating in the UK.

Yeah, that much I noticed - but it seems like a overnight stop is required in each direction, plus prices are $1800 per person... in coach. :o

Even with Matrix set to not check for available seats, it shows that he lowest possible price would still be over $800. What gives?!
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: smart brit on January 27, 2014, 10:06:58 AM
Yeah, that much I noticed - but it seems like a overnight stop is required in each direction, plus prices are $1800 per person... in coach. :o
ba has a flight leaving from LHR 10:10am so getting that flight you would need overnight in London.
There are options with easy jet too
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: smart brit on January 27, 2014, 10:08:31 AM
Return to tlv you should be able to take the ba from gib at 2:50pm and the night flight from LHR to tlv.
Did you check flying to Agp? (it's a hour drive)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: efflpetzel on January 28, 2014, 12:21:59 AM
El Al adding 12 flights to London

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4478938,00.html
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: smart brit on January 28, 2014, 12:46:29 AM
El Al adding 12 flights to London

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4478938,00.html
hopefully that will bring prices down a little
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on January 28, 2014, 01:47:50 AM
El Al adding 12 flights to London

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4478938,00.html
According to someone on FT, they do this each year. They add on the flights in the summer, start removing them over the winter, and then announce a bunch more flights for the next summer.
But in reality, there isn't much new to it.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: AharonInIsrael on January 28, 2014, 06:38:44 AM
If those are the prices, why not use miles?
Also, did you check different legs sep? Maybe EasyJet to London, and then Avios, or s/t similar?
Even the discount carriers are fairly pricey. I'm starting to think it's best to use AA miles (instead of BA Avios, which would mean a high fuel charge).
Thanks!
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on January 28, 2014, 07:15:07 AM
Even the discount carriers are fairly pricey. I'm starting to think it's best to use AA miles (instead of BA Avios, which would mean a high fuel charge).
Thanks!
AB and Niki don't fly there? You could avoid YQ w/ them, although you'd have to pay for each leg sep.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: AharonInIsrael on January 28, 2014, 08:45:15 AM
How likely is it to miss the connection doing that, and are airlines usuallyhelpf ul in such situations?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on January 28, 2014, 09:21:47 AM
How likely is it to miss the connection doing that, and are airlines usuallyhelpf ul in such situations?
You could book it all on 1 ticket if BA lets you. It's just a connecting leg.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: smart brit on January 28, 2014, 10:38:37 AM
You could book it all on 1 ticket if BA lets you. It's just a connecting leg.
And on aa
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on January 28, 2014, 11:37:24 AM
And on aa
correct, but depending on your AA valuation, BA might be a better play.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on February 04, 2014, 01:07:34 AM
With the merger complete, let the Israel lawsuits begin.
http://boardingarea.com/pointmetotheplane/2014/02/03/american-facing-new-lawsuits-in-israel-flight-plans-from-jfk-miami-to-tlv/
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Moishebatchy on February 04, 2014, 03:15:21 PM
If someone needs to fly from TLV to London for one day (for a wedding or something), what would be the best mileage program for that?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on February 04, 2014, 03:18:42 PM
If someone needs to fly from TLV to London for one day (for a wedding or something), what would be the best mileage program for that?
Why should a day be different than s/t longer?
Maybe chk flying BA using IB miles to see if it drops some of the YQ.
Otherwise, maybe EasyJet can help out, at least for one direction if not RT.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Moishebatchy on February 04, 2014, 03:25:45 PM
Why should a day be different than s/t longer?

To head off useless suggestions like "just look for an El Al winter sale ticket!" and such.

Thanks for the advice. Anyone else have any other suggestions?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Jkhein on February 04, 2014, 05:29:57 PM
To head off useless suggestions like "just look for an El Al winter sale ticket!" and such.

Thanks for the advice. Anyone else have any other suggestions?
your best option is avios to LHR for 12.5k miles and $57 taxes, returning with easyjet, as Drago said
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Moishebatchy on February 04, 2014, 06:02:39 PM
Thanks!

I'm guessing that YQ is only outrageous ex-LHR...?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: jaywhy on February 04, 2014, 11:14:19 PM
Thanks!

I'm guessing that YQ is only outrageous ex-LHR...?
YQ + APD
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on February 04, 2014, 11:18:01 PM
Thanks!

I'm guessing that YQ is only outrageous ex-LHR...?
Chk it, but I recall that it wasn't so terrible, although there's the additional LHR fees which you have to pay which bumps it up.

You've also gotta ensure that there's seats since they don't always appear to be open.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Jkhein on February 05, 2014, 01:04:40 AM
Thanks!

I'm guessing that YQ is only outrageous ex-LHR...?
yup
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chucksterace on February 05, 2014, 09:07:51 AM
This first plane painted in LY UP colors

(http://images1.ynet.co.il/PicServer3/2014/02/04/5137348/51373390100097874429no.jpg)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: AharonInIsrael on September 21, 2014, 07:26:13 AM
Not sure if anyone is interested, but I've been seeing cheap Aegean fares that end up in Greece, Spain and Italy.

One example: Feb 8-11 to Barcelona at 5.9 cpm ($226.12) in P class (I think that's most likely only really helpful for crediting to Aegean itself, but you might be interested in that)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on September 21, 2014, 07:36:27 AM
Not sure if anyone is interested, but I've been seeing cheap Aegean fares that end up in Greece, Spain and Italy.

One example: Feb 8-11 to Barcelona at 5.9 cpm ($226.12) in P class (I think that's most likely only really helpful for crediting to Aegean itself, but you might be interested in that)
Thx! Where are you searching?

FYI, Ethiopian is adding in 9 more weekly flights.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: AharonInIsrael on September 21, 2014, 07:50:09 AM
Thx! Where are you searching?

FYI, Ethiopian is adding in 9 more weekly flights.
You're welcome!
I've been using kayak explore and then looking up more details on ita.

Where does Ethiopian continue to?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on September 21, 2014, 07:53:05 AM
You're welcome!
I've been using kayak explore and then looking up more details on ita.

Where does Ethiopian continue to?
Lots of places, including SEZ, S. Africa, Europe, USA, etc.

See this post.
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=18280.msg923819#msg923819
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: AharonInIsrael on September 21, 2014, 12:26:00 PM
Lots of places, including SEZ, S. Africa, Europe, USA, etc.

See this post.
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=18280.msg923819#msg923819
Interesting! Thanks
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on September 23, 2014, 04:59:47 AM
EasyJet has a bunch of sub $120 fares RT in December and other months.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: sruly101 on September 23, 2014, 05:02:26 AM
EasyJet has a bunch of sub $120 fares RT in December and other months.
Destination?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: AsherO on September 23, 2014, 05:58:05 AM
Destination?

Presumably tlv-London.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on September 23, 2014, 06:26:10 AM
Destination?
Oops. Geneva, Milan.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on September 28, 2014, 03:04:05 AM
Seems like Aegean's new chart will charge award redemptions on their metal by the distance flown, w/ a 7k min.
That means that TLV-ATH (or elsewhere in Greece) would price out at 14k RT?
http://www.newmilesandbonus.com/en#how-you-spend-miles

And the rest of Europe would be a good value as well.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ilherman on September 28, 2014, 03:08:21 AM
Is TLV-ATH called domestic?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on September 28, 2014, 03:30:26 AM
Is TLV-ATH called domestic?
No. The 8x is for their international flights. You have to scroll over.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: harrym on September 28, 2014, 03:57:37 AM
Seems like Aegean's new chart will charge award redemptions on their metal by the distance flown, w/ a 7k min.
That means that TLV-ATH (or elsewhere in Greece) would price out at 14k RT?
http://www.newmilesandbonus.com/en#how-you-spend-miles

And the rest of Europe would be a good value as well.
Their best value still is OW on *A in J 45k TLV to North America, or 60k in first about a third of what UA charges but they don't allow mixed cabin bookings.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chucksterace on October 11, 2014, 08:28:45 PM
Seems like LOT is flying the 787 TLV-WAW on Oct 19, next sunday. As well as Monday, Oct. 20

Not bad for people scheduled on that flight.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Mordy788 on October 11, 2014, 08:41:27 PM
Seems like LOT is flying the 787 TLV-WAW on Oct 19, next sunday. As well as Monday, Oct. 20

Not bad for people scheduled on that flight.

High Loads.

I heard great things about that Aircraft.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chucksterace on October 11, 2014, 08:43:34 PM
High Loads.

I heard great things about that Aircraft.

Wont surprise me. The first two days after Chag.

And yes, having flown it I can say it actually is a great aircraft, quiet, spacious, and the windows DO make a big difference
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chucksterace on October 11, 2014, 09:02:22 PM
On another note, TK is flying mostly A330 next week. Usually they fly a mix between 737, A320, A321, A330, but most of the days next week look like A330s
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on October 12, 2014, 01:50:27 PM
On another note, TK is flying mostly A330 next week. Usually they fly a mix between 737, A320, A321, A330, but most of the days next week look like A330s
I got it on all 4 legs of TLV-MLE, including the return IST-TLV where it was just my wife and I w/ 2 other ppl.
Great hard product.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chucksterace on October 12, 2014, 03:15:41 PM
I got it on all 4 legs of TLV-MLE, including the return IST-TLV where it was just my wife and I w/ 2 other ppl.
Great hard product.

Were  you on the -200 or -300 series?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on October 12, 2014, 03:21:08 PM
Were  you on the -200 or -300 series?
I think it was 300
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chucksterace on October 12, 2014, 03:30:49 PM
I think it was 300

Flatbed or no? -200 is angled business, -300 is flatbed business
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on October 12, 2014, 03:37:21 PM
Flatbed or no? -200 is angled business, -300 is flatbed business
flat bed
same product they have on IST-MLE
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chff on October 13, 2014, 03:42:54 AM
@winglets747 - Hainan's route wish list for 2015: LAX, Manchester, Montreal, Oakland, SFO, JFK, LHR, Tel Aviv & Nairobi. Expect only a few to be approved
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: miles lover on October 13, 2014, 09:32:49 AM
Im thinking of booking a flight from tlv to nyc on elal for late winter with aa miles. I would deff want to get a free flight to lax or hnl or something but I cant leave within 24 hrs. Does anyone know a way around ? Maybe after they take off elal I can switch the date for the second leg but the first one will automatically stay ???
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on October 13, 2014, 09:49:42 AM
Im thinking of booking a flight from tlv to nyc on elal for late winter with aa miles. I would deff want to get a free flight to lax or hnl or something but I cant leave within 24 hrs. Does anyone know a way around ? Maybe after they take off elal I can switch the date for the second leg but the first one will automatically stay ???
If that works, i'd be quite pleased

For now, assume not.

You can always book to HNL, and if it doesn't work out, just get off in NYC when you collect your bags.
That's my plan on my TLV-LAX-SEA-KOA flight.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on October 16, 2014, 02:58:43 PM
BA dropping F, adding flights.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/british-airways-executive-club/1620948-no-f-tlv-starting-s15-increased-frequency.html

Air Europa having 3x weekly service from MAD. (I think they're skyteam. Maybe they'll have award availablity)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on November 10, 2014, 02:44:42 PM
http://www.timesofisrael.com/budget-airline-looks-at-european-flights-to-eilat/

Also,

Direct Flights will Facilitate Growing Ties between Israel & New England

The Consulate General of Israel to New England is pleased to announce that an agreement was reached between El Al and Massport for direct flights to Tel Aviv. Consul General of Israel, Mr. Yehuda Yaakov, remarked on this achievement, "Direct flights pave the way for a further strengthening of Israel-US ties, both economically and culturally. We look forward to seeing many more of our New England friends exploring firsthand our diverse society and rich history." El Al will conduct direct flights from Boston's Logan Airport to Ben Gurion Airport beginning this summer.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: efflpetzel on November 10, 2014, 05:09:40 PM
http://www.timesofisrael.com/budget-airline-looks-at-european-flights-to-eilat/

I don't see the attraction for airlines to fly there until:

A) they finally build a normal airport just outside Eilat

B) Israel pumps some serious money into Eilat hotels, infrastructure, beaches.
there are way better places for a tourist in Europe to go than Eilat
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on November 10, 2014, 05:16:21 PM
I don't see the attraction for airlines to fly there until:

A) they finally build a normal airport just outside Eilat

They signed off on building a second international airport down there recently.
And a Chinese company won a tender to build a railroad from Eilat to Tel Aviv'ish.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: efflpetzel on November 10, 2014, 05:23:58 PM
They signed off on building a second international airport down there recently.
And a Chinese company won a tender to build a railroad from Eilat to Tel Aviv'ish.
I know that, but realistically these projects wont be operational for a good 5 years at a minimum
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on November 11, 2014, 12:56:42 AM
I know that, but realistically these projects wont be operational for a good 5 years at a minimum
You're quite optimistic w/ your 5 year horizon.  :)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: efflpetzel on November 11, 2014, 01:50:17 PM

You're quite optimistic w/ your 5 year horizon.  :)
indeed, & that's exactly why I can't see any international airlines flying there in the near future
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: efflpetzel on November 22, 2014, 07:24:49 PM
indeed, & that's exactly why I can't see any international airlines flying there in the near future
& yet look how wrong I am :)

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4594244,00.html
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: sky121 on November 22, 2014, 08:39:58 PM
Interesting.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: efflpetzel on November 24, 2014, 07:33:36 PM
Finally some competition with LY to Asia
HU is to start flying the PEK-TLV route,

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4595641,00.html
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: smart brit on November 24, 2014, 08:18:10 PM
Finally! about time
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on November 24, 2014, 08:26:26 PM
Finally some competition with LY to Asia
HU is to start flying the PEK-TLV route,

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4595641,00.html

Nice, it will be TLV's first skytrax 5 star airline.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chff on November 24, 2014, 09:55:00 PM
Finally some competition with LY to Asia
HU is to start flying the PEK-TLV route,

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4595641,00.html

I posted this a while back

@winglets747 - Hainan's route wish list for 2015: LAX, Manchester, Montreal, Oakland, SFO, JFK, LHR, Tel Aviv & Nairobi. Expect only a few to be approved

Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: SamKey on November 25, 2014, 02:55:24 AM
Finally some competition with LY to Asia
HU is to start flying the PEK-TLV route,

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4595641,00.html
This should be bookable on AA, correct?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 25, 2014, 04:20:04 AM
TLV's first skytrax 5
The only difference between them and LY is that they care enough to bribe someone at SkyTrax
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on November 25, 2014, 05:12:54 AM
The only difference between them and LY is that they care enough to bribe someone at SkyTrax

Don't know about Hainan specifically. But would you really say that airlines like CX and SQ had to bribe to get their rating? Their product speaks for itself. LY has great safety, but they lack everywhere else.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 25, 2014, 05:28:15 AM
Hainan is not in the same class as CX or SQ. LY might have decent passenger screening but mechanical safety is not on par with the American carriers.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: damaxer91 on November 25, 2014, 07:10:39 AM
The only difference between them and LY is that they care enough to bribe someone at SkyTrax

ALOL
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Dan on November 25, 2014, 09:02:02 AM
This should be bookable on AA, correct?
With miles?
In your dreams.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on December 22, 2014, 07:29:44 AM
what my best (read cheapest) option to fly to VCE from TLV?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 22, 2014, 08:00:52 AM
what my best (read cheapest) option to fly to VCE from TLV?

A3, if you can get it in P class.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on December 22, 2014, 08:28:34 AM
A3, if you can get it in P class.
with miles or revenue?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on December 22, 2014, 08:31:34 AM
A3, if you can get it in P class.
and they don't start flying to VCE until 5/10
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 22, 2014, 08:38:12 AM
with miles or revenue?

Revenue. One-way TLV-VCE, for example:
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on December 22, 2014, 08:39:37 AM
Revenue. One-way TLV-VCE, for example:
how do i find that, let alone book it?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 22, 2014, 08:39:49 AM
and they don't start flying to VCE until 5/10

I don't seem to recall you specifying a date.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 22, 2014, 08:40:57 AM
how do i find that, let alone book it?

Matrix. In the advanced routing codes box, you type A3+ / f bc=p.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on December 22, 2014, 08:45:55 AM
Matrix. In the advanced routing codes box, you type A3+ / f bc=p.
everytime i use matrix i grow another white hair, for example now. what the heck is "QPX Warning. Illegal faring spec: missing Boolean connective"?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 22, 2014, 08:53:10 AM
everytime i use matrix i grow another white hair, for example now. what the heck is "QPX Warning. Illegal faring spec: missing Boolean connective"?

Dunno. Try unchecking "Only show flights and prices with available seats" for now, just so you get a feel for it (see screenshot).

While we're at it... it's unlikely you'll find P, so here's your next tip: it appears that A3's economy booking classes are Y, B, M, H, Q, V, W, O, L, K, J, E, S, T, U, and P. So start with A3+ / f bc=p, and then change the p to u, then t, etc. until you find something.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on December 22, 2014, 08:55:53 AM
I don't seem to recall you specifying a date.
that is correct, though the day i plan a trip so far ahead will be the day grow horns
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on December 22, 2014, 08:57:37 AM
Dunno. Try unchecking "Only show flights and prices with available seats" for now, just so you get a feel for it (see screenshot).

While we're at it... it's unlikely you'll find P, so here's your next tip: it appears that A3's economy booking classes are Y, B, M, H, Q, V, W, O, L, K, J, E, S, T, U, and P. So start with A3+ / f bc=p, and then change the p to u, then t, etc. until you find something.
thanks so much
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on December 22, 2014, 09:05:52 AM
Revenue. One-way TLV-VCE, for example:
what date was that example you showed me? also i cant seem to find a flight under 300 RT which is way above my budget for flights to europe
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 22, 2014, 11:16:33 AM
what date was that example you showed me? also i cant seem to find a flight under 300 RT which is way above my budget for flights to europe

Irrelevant. The one I posted is not bookable anyway; it's the Sabre equivalent of unchecking "Only show flights and prices with available seats" in Matrix. I just picked a random date in August to show you what's theoretically possible.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on December 22, 2014, 11:29:52 AM
Irrelevant. The one I posted is not bookable anyway; it's the Sabre equivalent of unchecking "Only show flights and prices with available seats" in Matrix. I just picked a random date in August to show you what's theoretically possible.
i hear. any other ideas as this isnt working for me. cant find avail dates. are there any good award redemptions to italy?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on December 22, 2014, 01:09:21 PM
i hear. any other ideas as this isnt working for me. cant find avail dates. are there any good award redemptions to italy?
Aegean miles have some good rates for direct flights.
See here.
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=18280.msg926442#msg926442
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on December 22, 2014, 01:46:42 PM
Aegean miles have some good rates for direct flights.
See here.
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=18280.msg926442#msg926442
thanks, i cant for the life of me figure out how to book an award flight on their site, where do i find that option?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on December 22, 2014, 01:51:34 PM
thanks, i cant for the life of me figure out how to book an award flight on their site, where do i find that option?
I don't have any experience w/ that.
Maybe this will help?
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/aegean-airlines-miles-bonus/1338993-faq-no-1-aegean-miles-bonus-all-you-need-know.html
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on December 22, 2014, 01:54:52 PM
I don't have any experience w/ that.
Maybe this will help?
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/aegean-airlines-miles-bonus/1338993-faq-no-1-aegean-miles-bonus-all-you-need-know.html
thanks, i figured it out, i have to request it through a form, this is ridiculous
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on December 31, 2014, 03:43:31 AM
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-easyjet-to-launch-tel-aviv-paris-flights-1000993822
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on December 31, 2014, 03:50:40 AM

http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-easyjet-to-launch-tel-aviv-paris-flights-1000993822
this is very good for going to morocco from  TLV
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on December 31, 2014, 03:51:40 AM
this is very good for going to morocco from  TLV
what's the cheapest way to continue to Morocco?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on December 31, 2014, 05:30:24 AM
what's the cheapest way to continue to Morocco?
assuming you will be going out in paris and airport changes are fine Ryanair from BVA to RAK can be as low as $25 OW
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on December 31, 2014, 07:26:37 AM
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-easyjet-to-launch-tel-aviv-paris-flights-1000993822
also it seems that there is no availability with prices anywhere near that. seems the cheapest is around 100 euro OW so an alternate decent option would be TLV- MXP-CMN on easyjet or TLV-BGY-RAK on Ryanair
Title: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chucksterace on January 09, 2015, 04:12:43 PM
Repost for refernce: Seems to be no more TLV to Cyprus as Cyprus Air has ceased operations.

http://m.bbc.com/news/business-30754232
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: moish on January 10, 2015, 02:00:44 PM
UP generally has fares for $70 one way
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on January 11, 2015, 02:57:32 AM
UP generally has fares for $70 one way
$140 RT?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on January 11, 2015, 03:03:51 AM

$140 RT?
or cheaper
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: tavster on January 12, 2015, 11:35:51 AM
New Tel Aviv-Beijing route in Sept with Hainan.

http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-hainan-airlines-to-launch-tel-aviv-beijing-route-1001000201
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chucksterace on January 12, 2015, 01:38:32 PM
New Tel Aviv-Beijing route in Sept with Hainan.

http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-hainan-airlines-to-launch-tel-aviv-beijing-route-1001000201

Old news -

Finally some competition with LY to Asia
HU is to start flying the PEK-TLV route,

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4595641,00.html
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Kabrams1618 on January 19, 2015, 10:24:13 AM
What is the cheapest way to fly tel aviv to thessoloniki greece  at the end of feb beginning of march.
I also have usair britishair and united points if awards are possible.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on January 19, 2015, 10:28:20 AM
What is the cheapest way to fly tel aviv to thessoloniki greece  at the end of feb beginning of march.
I also have usair britishair and united points if awards are possible.
Awards will 99% of the time be more expensive.
RT or OW?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Kabrams1618 on January 19, 2015, 10:31:20 AM
Round trip.
We are looking for a thursday to sunday
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Kabrams1618 on January 19, 2015, 10:35:28 AM
What do you mean awards  will be more expensive.  Because of fees.  Which airlines should be lookat
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on January 19, 2015, 12:09:36 PM
What do you mean awards  will be more expensive.  Because of fees.  Which airlines should be lookat
since the value of the miles is usually above the price is booked revenue
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on January 19, 2015, 12:26:35 PM
Round trip.
We are looking for a thursday to sunday
Are you flexible?Europe is very cheap but that usually entails being flexible.the cheapest carriers direct to Greece are usually Aegean and Up. if your looking to get there as cheap as possible then your best bet is probably to fly to Athens and back from Thessaloniki for around $160 and then take a short flight to Thessaloniki (Ryanair flies that route and is usually around $25 as well as Aegean who usually is around $50)
on a side note can i ask, is there a specific reason for Thessaloniki? since it is slightly underwhelming when you have the rest of Greece.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Kabrams1618 on January 19, 2015, 10:06:58 PM
Where do you suggest.  We are very flexible on location.  We will only have 3-4 days, would like to not need to rent a car, fly cheap or even better with points from tlv and be able to stay at a hyatt where we have 4 nights of free rooms.
Any suggestions on location would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on January 20, 2015, 02:49:33 AM
and be able to stay at a hyatt
that pretty much narrows it down to Thessaloniki or Milan. Though my particular service i had in the Hyatt in Thessaloniki was the best i experienced in any hyatt, IMO its not worth going there over the other places just since you have the free nights. for me it got old in a day
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Moishebatchy on January 20, 2015, 03:50:54 AM
I need to get a small, very important package from Venice to Israel, ASAP. What is the absolute physically cheapest possible way to make the trip (either originating in Israel, so I can pick it up; or originating in Venice, so I can bribe someone from there to bring it here)? No baggage, no frills, no EQMs or whatever - just round-trip travel, zehu. Any ideas?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on January 20, 2015, 04:17:04 AM
I need to get a small, very important package from Venice to Israel, ASAP. What is the absolute physically cheapest possible way to make the trip (either originating in Israel, so I can pick it up; or originating in Venice, so I can bribe someone from there to bring it here)? No baggage, no frills, no EQMs or whatever - just round-trip travel, zehu. Any ideas?
Fly via Milan and take the 9 euro 2 1/2 train
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shimino1 on January 20, 2015, 05:14:34 AM
I need to get a small, very important package from Venice to Israel, ASAP. What is the absolute physically cheapest possible way to make the trip (either originating in Israel, so I can pick it up; or originating in Venice, so I can bribe someone from there to bring it here)? No baggage, no frills, no EQMs or whatever - just round-trip travel, zehu. Any ideas?
10k avios OW.
Also try checking last minute deals on Daka 90, Guliver, Israir etc'.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shimino1 on January 20, 2015, 05:16:25 AM
10k avios OW.
Sorry, I was thinking of Viena, my bad.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on January 20, 2015, 05:24:03 AM
Sorry, I was thinking of Viena, my bad.
I was in the process of writing how wrong you are, and now it's all in vain
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shimino1 on January 20, 2015, 08:01:55 AM
I was in the process of writing how wrong you are, and now it's all in vain
Evil laugh.....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And now, I shall take over the world!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on February 08, 2015, 07:02:28 AM
whats my best option for points to Norway? specifically TLV-TOS
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: AharonInIsrael on February 08, 2015, 12:25:06 PM
whats my best option for points to Norway? specifically TLV-TOS
According to http://www.economicalexcursionists.com/travelTools/, the best option would be Avianca (20k Y; 35k J) with a stop in Stockholm (flying SK to ARN and then KF (?) Blue1 to TOS). You could fly the same route using United miles, but it would be 25k and 45k.
However, other websites aren't showing a two-flight combination that way, so I'm not really sure if it's a possible routing any more. OpenFlights and OptiFly both say that only Norwegian Air Shuttle flies direct TLV-ARN.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on February 08, 2015, 12:46:04 PM
According to http://www.economicalexcursionists.com/travelTools/, the best option would be Avianca (20k Y; 35k J) with a stop in Stockholm (flying SK to ARN and then KF (?) Blue1 to TOS). You could fly the same route using United miles, but it would be 25k and 45k.
However, other websites aren't showing a two-flight combination that way, so I'm not really sure if it's a possible routing any more. OpenFlights and OptiFly both say that only Norwegian Air Shuttle flies direct TLV-ARN.
forgot about that site, love it.
on avianca its pricing out at 24000 for TLV-IST-OSL-TOS
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: AharonInIsrael on February 08, 2015, 12:53:03 PM
forgot about that site, love it.
on avianca its pricing out at 24000 for TLV-IST-OSL-TOS
Yeah, looks like they haven't yet updated Avianca's Oct. changes:
https://www.lifemiles.com/eng/inc/starredawards.aspx
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on February 08, 2015, 12:59:07 PM


OpenFlights and OptiFly both say that only Norwegian Air Shuttle flies direct TLV-ARN.
i was playing around with optifly just now and it didn't seem to be entirely accurate

Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: AharonInIsrael on February 25, 2015, 04:56:28 AM
How can I figure out a list of published routings to take advantage of AA's cheap rates from TLV to elsewhere in the Middle East (MLE, for example), or to Asia?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ranhan429 on February 25, 2015, 05:29:53 AM
How can I figure out a list of published routings to take advantage of AA's cheap rates from TLV to elsewhere in the Middle East (MLE, for example), or to Asia?

tlv to mle only 70k UA in J RT
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Myccrabbi on February 25, 2015, 05:52:19 AM
How can I figure out a list of published routings to take advantage of AA's cheap rates from TLV to elsewhere in the Middle East (MLE, for example), or to Asia?
Check the wiki http://http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=.0
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: D93 on February 25, 2015, 05:58:53 AM
tlv to mle only 70k UA in J RT
and 90k UA in F
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ranhan429 on February 25, 2015, 06:02:27 AM
and 90k UA in F
Is there even a difference between F and J on this route? I'm flying Turkish in J and I don't think there even is F?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Moishebatchy on February 25, 2015, 06:20:22 AM
Is there even a difference between F and J on this route? I'm flying Turkish in J and I don't think there even is F?

No F.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on February 25, 2015, 06:43:23 AM
How can I figure out a list of published routings to take advantage of AA's cheap rates from TLV to elsewhere in the Middle East (MLE, for example), or to Asia?
Few options exist.
Basically, RJ, or Qatar. Etihad won't work from TLV
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on February 25, 2015, 06:45:04 AM
Is there even a difference between F and J on this route? I'm flying Turkish in J and I don't think there even is F?
It's a good J though
And you might get lucky and get the J long haul product on TLV-IST as well.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: AharonInIsrael on February 25, 2015, 06:51:44 AM
Thanks all
Few options exist.
Basically, RJ, or Qatar. Etihad won't work from TLV
And if I want it to all be one ticket, my first step has to be TLV-AMM, correct?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ranhan429 on February 25, 2015, 07:27:15 AM
It's a good J though
And you might get lucky and get the J long haul product on TLV-IST as well.
Can you please expand on what u mean by long haul product? And how  I found out if we got one :D??
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on February 25, 2015, 07:31:14 AM
Thanks all And if I want it to all be one ticket, my first step has to be TLV-AMM, correct?
yup, and that's available in J more than Y.

Can you please expand on what u mean by long haul product? And how  I found out if we got one :D??
Chk http://seatguru.com/ , but if i remember correctly, it's the A330 which has the nice product. Lie flat, tons of leg room, etc.
Two of the 3 flights we've taken on this route had this product, and the other just had recliner seats.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: moish on February 25, 2015, 07:32:19 AM
Etihad won't work from TLV
what do you mean by that?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Moishebatchy on February 25, 2015, 07:47:51 AM
what do you mean by that?

No published routing ex-TLV. You should know that... :D
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ranhan429 on February 25, 2015, 07:49:40 AM
yup, and that's available in J more than Y.
Chk http://seatguru.com/ , but if i remember correctly, it's the A330 which has the nice product. Lie flat, tons of leg room, etc.
Two of the 3 flights we've taken on this route had this product, and the other just had recliner seats.

I did actually check seat guru, but I wasn't sure what the good product was. According to our mileageplus itin, from TLV-IST , IST-MLE, MLE-IST are all A330 (yay!) , the last leg, IST - TLV is an A321. But if the A330 is the good product for this route I am really stoked!!!


ETA: is the type of aircraft written on the itin subject to change?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Moishebatchy on February 25, 2015, 07:50:14 AM
Where's a good place for a family (with young kids) to go on vacation for a coupla days in August, ex-TLV? Somewhere in Europe, I presume, but I'd welcome some suggestions, as the August weather seems to be oppressive in many of the usual go-to places. Thanks!
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on February 25, 2015, 07:51:25 AM
No published routing ex-TLV.
+1
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on February 25, 2015, 07:56:10 AM
Where's a good place for a family (with young kids) to go on vacation for a coupla days in August, ex-TLV? Somewhere in Europe, I presume, but I'd welcome some suggestions, as the August weather seems to be oppressive in many of the usual go-to places. Thanks!
I'm not great w/ Europe, but Vienna and train rides from there should be a good balance for kids/parents/kosher/distance
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on February 25, 2015, 08:02:20 AM
Where's a good place for a family (with young kids) to go on vacation for a coupla days in August, ex-TLV? Somewhere in Europe, I presume, but I'd welcome some suggestions, as the August weather seems to be oppressive in many of the usual go-to places. Thanks!
Iceland an option?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Moishebatchy on February 25, 2015, 08:10:26 AM
I'm not great w/ Europe, but Vienna and train rides from there should be a good balance for kids/parents/kosher/distance

Thanks. "Train rides from there" to where, for example?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Moishebatchy on February 25, 2015, 08:10:51 AM
Iceland an option?


Hmmmmmm... why?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yare on February 25, 2015, 08:20:19 AM

Hmmmmmm... why?
its stunnng but a pita to get there. unless your kids are into outdoors adventures they'll be bored.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chff on February 25, 2015, 08:24:41 AM



ETA: is the type of aircraft written on the itin subject to change?

Of course
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ranhan429 on February 25, 2015, 08:55:45 AM

Of course

but but but but but but I wanna be in the good aircraft  :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on February 25, 2015, 09:18:00 AM
its stunnng but a pita to get there. unless your kids are into outdoors adventures they'll be bored.
It's known to be very child friendly
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chff on February 25, 2015, 09:23:29 AM
but but but but but but I wanna be in the good aircraft  :'( :'( :'(
Where is your concern? IST to MLE? Guaranteed you will have a long haul, TLV-IST for 2 hours no need to make a fuzz
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ranhan429 on February 25, 2015, 09:30:11 AM
Where is your concern? IST to MLE? Guaranteed you will have a long haul, TLV-IST for 2 hours no need to make a fuzz

My concern was IST to MLE, don't care about the 2 hours from IST/TLV and TLV/IST. If that's the case then I'm a happy camper  ;D
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on February 25, 2015, 10:17:53 AM
Thanks. "Train rides from there" to where, for example?
From Vienna to Salzburg, places closer to the Alps, Slovenia, etc.

We did Salzburg for a night, and btw the relaxed town, fotress, and enjoyable train ride, it was very nice.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: moish on February 25, 2015, 10:23:15 AM
No published routing ex-TLV. You should know that... :D
+1

right, but you can still put it on the same ticket with the low mileage (i think that was the point of his question)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Mech on February 26, 2015, 12:18:37 PM
I'm looking into tickets from tlv-fco-vce-tlv from 3/11-3/15. I found on Alitalia for $327. Are there any better options?? I've checked easy jet and there aren't any flights for the times I want. I also have points/ miles but haven't found cheap fares. I've never been to Europe before so  I'm not sure where else to look. If anyone has any tips in booking I'd really appreciate it!!
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on February 26, 2015, 04:16:48 PM
I'm looking into tickets from tlv-fco-vce-tlv from 3/11-3/15. I found on Alitalia for $327. Are there any better options?? I've checked easy jet and there aren't any flights for the times I want. I also have points/ miles but haven't found cheap fares. I've never been to Europe before so  I'm not sure where else to look. If anyone has any tips in booking I'd really appreciate it!!
@emkay has pointed out that EasyJet to Milan can be cheap, and then take a train to Venice.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on February 26, 2015, 04:21:10 PM


I'm looking into tickets from tlv-fco-vce-tlv from 3/11-3/15
Why try to do both?  How long will you be In each?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Mech on February 26, 2015, 04:26:21 PM

Why try to do both?  How long will you be In each?
As I said before I was never there and have this craziness in my head for years to go to Rome and Venice. I know you hate Rome. Leaving Tlv on Wednesday. My stopover there is for 23 hrs 50 minutes. Then going to venice for shabbos. Coming back Sunday morning. I found an all inclusive ticket, which to me made the most sense convenience wise, traveling with a baby. My question is if there is a more economical way to do it?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Mech on February 26, 2015, 04:27:43 PM

@emkay has pointed out that EasyJet to Milan can be cheap, and then take a train to Venice.
I checked easyjet. I'd prefer on mode of transportation. Especially with a baby. 
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on February 26, 2015, 04:33:54 PM
I checked easyjet. I'd prefer on mode of transportation. Especially with a baby.
saying you prefer plane to train with a baby? i can tell you never took budget european airlines VS the trains.
i have done both with a baby and i would pick train in a heartbeat. trust me, take as few of these flights as possible with your baby, even if it means forgoing a "craziness" ( or dont,but tell me after how i was right  ;D )
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: D93 on February 26, 2015, 04:36:55 PM
saying you prefer plane to train with a baby? i can tell you never took budget european airlines VS the trains.
i have done both with a baby and i would pick train in a heartbeat. trust me, take as few of these flights as possible with your baby, even if it means forgoing a "craziness" ( or dont,but tell me after how i was right  ;D )
+1 about the train. The train ride from Rome to Venice is very enjoyable (I can't comment about the baby part) and you can also stop off in Florence on the way as well.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Mech on February 26, 2015, 04:39:08 PM

saying you prefer plane to train with a baby? i can tell you never took budget european airlines VS the trains.
i have done both with a baby and i would pick train in a heartbeat. trust me, take as few of these flights as possible with your baby, even if it means forgoing a "craziness" ( or dont,but tell me after how i was right  ;D )
I would assume it's easier just flying straight into the city than flying into one then going the the train.... How bad is Alitalia already?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Mech on February 26, 2015, 04:39:55 PM

(I can't comment about the baby part)
Key factor my friend!
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on February 26, 2015, 04:57:54 PM
I would assume it's easier just flying straight into the city than flying into one then going the the train.... How bad is Alitalia already?
Your not flying straight into the city.  You have a stopover in Rome (both ways?)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Mech on February 26, 2015, 05:02:24 PM

Your not flying straight into the city.  You have a stopover in Rome (both ways?)
Correct but stopping for a day in Rome overnight and the way back is 2 hr stop.
I found on easy jet ow for $118 Tlv-fco but can't find a return from vce or mxp-Tlv on sunday
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on February 26, 2015, 05:04:38 PM
Correct but stopping for a day in Rome overnight and the way back is 2 hr stop.
I found on easy jet ow for $118 Tlv-fco but can't find a return from vce or mxp-Tlv on sunday
It's all part of the learning experience.
Waiting patiently for a TR when it's over
Title: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Mech on February 26, 2015, 05:09:19 PM
It's all part of the learning experience.
So ur letting me learn the hard way?? I don't mind being convinced to do it ur way it just has to make more sense to me.
Waiting PATIENTLY for a TR when it's over
Im very impressed
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: AharonInIsrael on March 08, 2015, 09:25:30 AM
right, but you can still put it on the same ticket with the low mileage (i think that was the point of his question)
But it would still be two separate awards, no?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: moish on March 08, 2015, 02:16:08 PM
But it would still be two separate awards, no?
no, thats precisely my point. i put kul-auh-amm-tlv on same award
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on March 08, 2015, 02:23:07 PM
no, thats precisely my point. i put kul-auh-amm-tlv on same award
Seems like you got lucky, b/c officially, it shouldn't work.
But when you bat your eyelashes, CS reps swoon...
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: moish on March 08, 2015, 02:32:38 PM
Seems like you got lucky, b/c officially, it shouldn't work.
But when you bat your eyelashes, CS reps swoon...
i have a method thats been working so far...
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: AharonInIsrael on March 08, 2015, 02:48:15 PM
i have a method thats been working so far...
Care to share? :)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: moish on March 08, 2015, 03:34:31 PM
thats why you have to come to my seminar
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: SLMYRCB on March 08, 2015, 03:49:56 PM
Care to share? :)
Seems like you got lucky, b/c officially, it shouldn't work.
But when you bat your eyelashes, CS reps swoon...
i have a method thats been working so far...
On AA via connections. Why is that complicated? Why shouldn't it work as long as you follow the timing rules (RT or one-way)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on March 08, 2015, 03:59:45 PM
On AA via connections. Why is that complicated? Why shouldn't it work as long as you follow the timing rules (RT or one-way)
Needs to be a published routing.
Etihad doesn't (appear to) publish routings from Israel (although Qatar does).
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: SLMYRCB on March 08, 2015, 04:40:18 PM
Needs to be a published routing.
Etihad doesn't (appear to) publish routings from Israel (although Qatar does).
He must have called it in. Wouldn't that work?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on March 08, 2015, 05:56:41 PM
He must have called it in. Wouldn't that work?
All Etihad flights have to be called in, so that wouldn't help. They typically have a strong computer system that won't allow these to be ticketed.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: SLMYRCB on March 08, 2015, 06:15:21 PM
Etihad is obviously in-line using AA from TLV to Asia or South Pacific. Why would ticketing through AA be affected by Etihad's anti-Israel rules as long as the Etihad flight doesn't land in TLV?
(I would hate to hog the thread due to my ignorance. Please direct me to a thread if there is one already).
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on March 09, 2015, 01:38:18 AM
Etihad is obviously in-line using AA from TLV to Asia or South Pacific. Why would ticketing through AA be affected by Etihad's anti-Israel rules as long as the Etihad flight doesn't land in TLV?
(I would hate to hog the thread due to my ignorance. Please direct me to a thread if there is one already).
The airline has to publish a routing from a city for AA to (officially ticket it). It's one of their unique rules.

http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/2014/06/08/american-aadvantage-award-routing-rules/
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: SLMYRCB on March 09, 2015, 08:09:13 AM
The airline has to publish a routing from a city for AA to (officially ticket it). It's one of their unique rules.

http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/2014/06/08/american-aadvantage-award-routing-rules/

Ah haaaa. Thanx! I see, though its not totally clear if that applies in this situation considering that the flight we're referring to is from KUL-AUH-AMM then to TLV.
But taking your word for if... so the easiest way to do this would be to:
1) avoid AUH
2) travel via AUH but use Malaysia Airlines (@ your own risk)
3) Just knock TLV off the AA itinerary & use 4.5k Avios for that leg
That right?

Possible that moish is somehow booking the itinerary w/o TLV and then adding it in later using his "eyelashes"?? :-*
(moish you can help us out here :'( )

I'm not stam yenting, I'm looking into Asia 2 for the summer coming from TLV. BTW
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on March 09, 2015, 08:22:43 AM
Ah haaaa. Thanx! I see, though its not totally clear if that applies in this situation considering that the flight we're referring to is from KUL-AUH-AMM then to TLV.
But taking your word for if... so the easiest way to do this would be to:
1) avoid AUH
2) travel via AUH but use Malaysia Airlines (@ your own risk)
3) Just knock TLV off the AA itinerary & use 4.5k Avios for that leg
That right?

Possible that moish is somehow booking the itinerary w/o TLV and then adding it in later using his "eyelashes"?? :-*
(moish you can help us out here :'( )

I'm not stam yenting, I'm looking into Asia 2 for the summer coming from TLV. BTW
Malaysia likely doesn't fly to AUH, chk.
RJ is the quickest way, and they have decent J availability.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Kabrams1618 on April 13, 2015, 02:42:14 AM
I flew from tlv to phl on us air in economy
I need to change my return flight date at the last minute.
Anyone know the cost to change the ticket.
Does it matter that one ticket was bought on us air site and the other on aa site but both are on same plane.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chucksterace on April 13, 2015, 02:49:03 AM

I flew from tlv to phl on us air in economy
I need to change my return flight date at the last minute.
Anyone know the cost to change the ticket.
Does it matter that one ticket was bought on us air site and the other on aa site but both are on same plane.

Did you call?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Kabrams1618 on April 13, 2015, 02:51:07 AM
Phone not available right now, just wanted to see if anyone knew from experience.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: AharonInIsrael on April 13, 2015, 02:52:55 AM
Phone not available right now, just wanted to see if anyone knew from experience.
If you're talking about a RT revenue ticket, it'll depend what fare class you're booked in and what fare class you switch to (in addition to any change fees)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: D93 on April 28, 2015, 01:52:27 PM
Etihad won't work from TLV
what do you mean by that?
No published routing ex-TLV. You should know that... :D


You guys sure about that??


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Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: AharonInIsrael on April 28, 2015, 03:07:36 PM

You guys sure about that??

There are definitely much quicker ways to get to LHR  ;)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: efflpetzel on April 28, 2015, 07:40:59 PM


You guys sure about that??


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how long is the trip, start to finish
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yitrap on April 28, 2015, 08:13:11 PM
how long is the trip, start to finish

Just look at the start and finish time, London is 2 hours behind so essentially taking off the 14th at 8:10 PM (London time) and arriving the 16th at 7:35 am aprox 36 hours
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: efflpetzel on April 28, 2015, 10:22:20 PM

Just look at the start and finish time, London is 2 hours behind so essentially taking off the 14th at 8:10 PM (London time) and arriving the 16th at 7:35 am aprox 36 hours
you nuts!!
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: D93 on April 29, 2015, 12:44:07 AM
Just look at the start and finish time, London is 2 hours behind so essentially taking off the 14th at 8:10 PM (London time) and arriving the 16th at 7:35 am aprox 36 hours
The trip doesn't end in London....
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: AharonInIsrael on April 29, 2015, 01:30:13 AM
The trip doesn't end in London....
Is LHR-LAX at least direct? Is it BA F?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Moishebatchy on April 29, 2015, 11:44:57 AM

You guys sure about that??


1) I said EY doesn't publish a routing TLV-Australia. I didn't say there's no published routing for TLV-London.
2) Even so, who said it's pricing as one award, anyway? Prove it.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: D93 on April 29, 2015, 01:02:41 PM
1) I said EY doesn't publish a routing TLV-Australia. I didn't say there's no published routing for TLV-London.
2) Even so, who said it's pricing as one award, anyway? Prove it.
1) I misunderstood you
2)

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Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: AharonInIsrael on May 21, 2015, 04:05:26 AM
Didn't see this combination on Korean's award chart. How much would a OW TLV-ICN-LAX be using KE miles? OW can have one stop-over?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chff on May 26, 2015, 07:49:03 AM
 http://economyclassandbeyond.boardingarea.com/2015/05/26/british-airways-boeing-787-fleet-next-stop-tel-aviv/ (http://economyclassandbeyond.boardingarea.com/2015/05/26/british-airways-boeing-787-fleet-next-stop-tel-aviv/)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: moish on May 29, 2015, 09:16:48 AM
im pretty sure this whole published routing thing went away
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ilherman on May 29, 2015, 09:31:57 AM
im pretty sure this whole published routing thing went away
That would be awesome. Link?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: moish on May 29, 2015, 10:57:47 AM
That would be awesome. Link?
just various routings i was able to book in the past little while
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: AharonInIsrael on June 04, 2015, 02:31:59 PM
Just noticed that LY only charges 100 Matmid points OW to Budapest and 120 to Prague (i.e. 5k and 6k Amex per way). Anyone have a chart of the LY redemptions on UP? I tried searching, but could only find the rates for LY's regular flights.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on June 04, 2015, 02:58:13 PM
Just noticed that LY only charges 100 Matmid points OW to Budapest and 120 to Prague (i.e. 5k and 6k Amex per way). Anyone have a chart of the LY redemptions on UP? I tried searching, but could only find the rates for LY's regular flights.
and how much yq?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: AharonInIsrael on June 04, 2015, 02:59:00 PM
and how much yq?
$40 something
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on June 04, 2015, 03:01:26 PM
$40 something
revenue is same price if not cheaper
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: AharonInIsrael on June 04, 2015, 03:02:41 PM
revenue is same price if not cheaper
True, but availability for the cheaper prices was different: certain days had $180 flights but no awards, and vice versa.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shimino1 on June 04, 2015, 06:23:33 PM
revenue is same price if not cheaper
Prices hit 300-400$ OW sometimes.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on June 14, 2015, 05:31:07 AM
Upcoming flights to Manila?
http://www.interaksyon.com/business/112169/philippine-carrier-can-now-fly-to-europe-via-istanbul
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on June 14, 2015, 08:12:42 AM
Upcoming flights to Manila?
http://www.interaksyon.com/business/112169/philippine-carrier-can-now-fly-to-europe-via-istanbul
what does this change? you can currently get to MNL via IST
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on June 14, 2015, 08:25:44 AM
what does this change? you can currently get to MNL via IST
It seemed that they may introduce a direct option, based on the reading of the article.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on June 14, 2015, 08:34:02 AM
It seemed that they may introduce a direct option, based on the reading of the article.
not sure where you pulled that from but thats not what the article says
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on June 14, 2015, 09:25:28 AM
not sure where you pulled that from but thats not what the article says
So I have poor English skills.
I hope you're proud of yourself, picking on the Israeli...
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on June 21, 2015, 12:30:42 PM
will this possibly mean cheaper flights to VCE from TLV?
http://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/38292-easyjet-to-drop-rome-base-in-favour-of-venice-from-2q2016
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on June 25, 2015, 07:46:33 AM
are there any other other flights from TLV-SIN with one stop other then star alliance?
TLV-IST-SIN on TK and SQ with A321 and 777 (possibly also TK A320)
TLV-ZRH-SIN on LX and SQ with A330 and A380
TLV-FRA-SIN on LH and SQ with A321 and A380

if not then which of these are the best option?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: D93 on June 25, 2015, 12:26:27 PM
are there any other other flights from TLV-SIN with one stop other then star alliance?
TLV-IST-SIN on TK and SQ with A321 and 777 (possibly also TK A320)
TLV-ZRH-SIN on LX and SQ with A330 and A380
TLV-FRA-SIN on LH and SQ with A321 and A380

if not then which of these are the best option?
Another option is TLV-MUC-SIN on LH a320/a321 and SQ 777.

TLV-ZRH-SIN is the best option. Real J on LX and SQ a380.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shoobi on June 25, 2015, 12:28:47 PM
TLV-ZRH-SIN is the best option. Real J on LX and SQ a380.

not neccesarily, I've flown TLV-ZRH on LX and sometimes was wide-body, sometimes was narrow-body... YMMV
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: D93 on June 25, 2015, 12:32:14 PM
not neccesarily, I've flown TLV-ZRH on LX and sometimes was wide-body, sometimes was narrow-body... YMMV
LX a320 = fake J
LX a330/a340 = real J

OP wrote "LX a330", plus you can check before you book the flight to see which plane they are flying and hope they don't do an equipment swap on you, but at least there is a very good chance of real J as supposed to zero chance with LH and TK.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on June 25, 2015, 12:33:11 PM



TLV-ZRH-SIN is the best option. Real J on LX and SQ a380.
Worth adding 2 hrs to each flight over IST? From 2 to to 4 and 10 to 12
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shoobi on June 25, 2015, 12:33:42 PM
True
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shoobi on June 25, 2015, 12:34:11 PM
Worth adding 2 hrs to each flight over IST? From 2 to to 4 and 10 to 12


I would for real J
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: D93 on June 25, 2015, 12:34:50 PM
Worth adding 2 hrs to each flight over IST? From 2 to to 4 and 10 to 12
For the LX J it's debatable, but for SQ R a380, no question in my mind.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: D93 on June 25, 2015, 12:51:53 PM
are there any other other flights from TLV-SIN with one stop other then star alliance?
TLV-IST-SIN on TK and SQ with A321 and 777 (possibly also TK A320)
TLV-ZRH-SIN on LX and SQ with A330 and A380
TLV-FRA-SIN on LH and SQ with A321 and A380

if not then which of these are the best option?

Would SQ even let you backtrack like this?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: G11600 on June 25, 2015, 01:17:16 PM
are there any other other flights from TLV-SIN with one stop other then star alliance?
TLV-IST-SIN on TK and SQ with A321 and 777 (possibly also TK A320)
TLV-ZRH-SIN on LX and SQ with A330 and A380
TLV-FRA-SIN on LH and SQ with A321 and A380

if not then which of these are the best option?

Also TLV-MUC-SIN on A321 and 777
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: D93 on June 25, 2015, 01:21:24 PM
Also TLV-MUC-SIN on A321 and 777
Repost
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on June 25, 2015, 01:26:41 PM



Also TLV-MUC-SIN on A321 and 777
Yup, mentioned above

Another option is TLV-MUC-SIN on LH a320/a321 and SQ 777.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on June 25, 2015, 01:27:11 PM
Would SQ even let you backtrack like this?
(Hopefully) booking with UA
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: a mirrer on June 25, 2015, 02:22:38 PM
(Hopefully) booking with UA
sq r with united is possible?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on June 25, 2015, 02:53:20 PM
sq r with united is possible?
No but I never said anything about R, was hoping for J
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: efflpetzel on June 25, 2015, 04:54:14 PM
EasyJet adding yet another route out of Tel Aviv,
New route is TLV - AMS.  Amazing that they're already the second biggest carrier out of TLV (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4672664,00.html).

can't wait for Ryanair to start!
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: moish on June 25, 2015, 06:30:54 PM
are there any other other flights from TLV-SIN with one stop other then star alliance?
TLV-IST-SIN on TK and SQ with A321 and 777 (possibly also TK A320)
TLV-ZRH-SIN on LX and SQ with A330 and A380
TLV-FRA-SIN on LH and SQ with A321 and A380

if not then which of these are the best option?
if you can consider tlv-amm to be a "gelechter" then you can fly from amm either via doh or auh  :)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: D93 on June 25, 2015, 06:37:35 PM
if you can consider tlv-amm to be a "gelechter" then you can fly from amm either via doh or auh  :)
A what?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: moish on June 25, 2015, 06:45:09 PM
a joke. its only 25 minutes...
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on June 25, 2015, 06:56:47 PM
a joke. its only 25 minutes...
Together with a stopover and changing planes and finding connecting flights... It doesn't look I'll have am option but either way I couldn't find availability via DOH
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: D93 on June 25, 2015, 07:02:55 PM
Together with a stopover and changing planes and finding connecting flights... It doesn't look I'll have am option but either way I couldn't find availability via DOH
Stopping and changing planes in AMM is extremely simple.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: moish on June 25, 2015, 07:10:17 PM
Stopping and changing planes in AMM is extremely simple.
told ya...
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: D93 on June 26, 2015, 02:00:29 AM
told ya...
Yup! Thank you!
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Moishebatchy on June 26, 2015, 04:54:49 AM
are there any other other flights from TLV-SIN with one stop other then star alliance?
TLV-IST-SIN on TK and SQ with A321 and 777 (possibly also TK A320)
TLV-ZRH-SIN on LX and SQ with A330 and A380
TLV-FRA-SIN on LH and SQ with A321 and A380

if not then which of these are the best option?

Price-wise or luxury-wise?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on June 26, 2015, 05:31:19 AM
Price-wise or luxury-wise?
These are all the same price for me in miles. I'm looking for the shortest least hassle route but willing to travel a little longer for a nicer product
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on July 08, 2015, 05:37:53 AM
http://www.timesofisrael.com/low-cost-airline-ryanair-to-begin-israel-flights/

Exciting to see if they'll expand to TLV
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: westman812 on July 17, 2015, 12:49:49 PM
http://www.timesofisrael.com/low-cost-airline-ryanair-to-begin-israel-flights/

Exciting to see if they'll expand to TLV
http://www.timesofisrael.com/nonstop-flights-from-tel-aviv-to-tokyo-announced/

Another report says JAL interested as well.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: AharonInIsrael on July 23, 2015, 02:03:27 PM
Is it realistic to hope to find <$150 RT tickets to somewhere in Europe for August? I've been using Kayak Explore, Google Flights, Momondo and SkyScanner, and haven't seen anything too promising.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: moish on July 24, 2015, 09:12:21 AM
very realistic. download the hulyo app vitimtza nachas
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ABC on July 24, 2015, 09:37:30 AM
No but I never said anything about R, was hoping for J

Also J can't be booked with UA.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: AharonInIsrael on July 24, 2015, 10:33:40 AM
very realistic. download the hulyo app vitimtza nachas
Cool, thanks!
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: srf60 on July 24, 2015, 10:52:19 AM
very realistic. download the hulyo app vitimtza nachas
Great app. Is there such a kind of thing for the us??
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on August 13, 2015, 08:57:04 AM
Monarch Airlines starting Luton to Tel Aviv and Ovda beginning in December 2015.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on September 19, 2015, 03:13:52 PM
Finally some competition with LY to Asia
HU is to start flying the PEK-TLV route,

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4595641,00.html
  they start flying 3 times a week on april 28th, how can i redeem miles for them other then alaskan?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on September 20, 2015, 02:43:02 AM
BA is starting to fly w/ F on 3 of their flights.
Will be one of the few carriers offering an 'F' experience.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Dan on September 20, 2015, 09:09:32 AM
Comes and goes. Anyway, its more like the best J class than a real F experience ;)

Gotta fly via ICN for that...
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on September 20, 2015, 12:30:43 PM
Comes and goes. Anyway, its more like the best J class than a real F experience ;)

Gotta fly via ICN for that...
my understanding is that it's an equipment and schedule change
3 flights instead of 4, and on a diff plane, so it should be consistent

Once we reach 5 carriers offering F, then we're expecting you to make aliyah...
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: AharonInIsrael on November 08, 2015, 05:30:38 AM
Was just playing around with ITA, and an option popped up to go TLV-AMM-DOH-JFK. Is it usually difficult to get someone to ticket that route as an award?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on November 08, 2015, 05:58:54 AM
Was just playing around with ITA, and an option popped up to go TLV-AMM-DOH-JFK. Is it usually difficult to get someone to ticket that route as an award?
AA seems to have relaxed the published routing restrictions, so DOH and AUH may work.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: AharonInIsrael on November 08, 2015, 06:04:00 AM
AA seems to have relaxed the published routing restrictions, so DOH and AUH may work.
Good to know, thanks. Trying to combine two OWs into an itinerary that will ticket like a RT. (TLV-JFK, SIN-TLV)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: D93 on November 08, 2015, 06:10:43 AM
Was just playing around with ITA, and an option popped up to go TLV-AMM-DOH-JFK. Is it usually difficult to get someone to ticket that route as an award?
Not difficult at all.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: D93 on November 08, 2015, 06:11:13 AM
Good to know, thanks. Trying to combine two OWs into an itinerary that will ticket like a RT. (TLV-JFK, SIN-TLV)
Why not just book as 2 OW's?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: AharonInIsrael on November 08, 2015, 06:11:32 AM
Why not just book as 2 OW's?
Paid itinerary.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on November 08, 2015, 08:19:56 AM
Paid itinerary.
I'm not aware of paid itin't ever being an issue through those countries.
I thought you were referring to award tix.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: AharonInIsrael on November 11, 2015, 04:22:06 AM
Anyone ever do a day trip ex-TLV? Where to? How was it? DO anyone?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on November 11, 2015, 04:54:47 AM


Anyone ever do a day trip ex-TLV?
a bunch of times to Greece, Spain,and Italy

Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: D93 on November 11, 2015, 05:14:42 AM
Anyone ever do a day trip ex-TLV? Where to? How was it? DO anyone?

DXB ;)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: AharonInIsrael on November 11, 2015, 05:19:36 AM
a bunch of times to Greece, Spain,and Italy
Just for a day? Was it with a budget carrier or award ticket?

ETA: Also, any tips you'd care to share?

DXB ;)
You did TLV-AMM-DXB-AMM-TLV in one day??
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on November 11, 2015, 05:28:50 AM
Just for a day? Was it with a budget carrier or award ticket?
budget carrier
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: D93 on November 11, 2015, 05:28:55 AM
You did TLV-AMM-DXB-AMM-TLV in one day??
No
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: AharonInIsrael on November 11, 2015, 05:53:37 AM
No
Oh, okay. I knew that then :)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Mech on November 11, 2015, 06:06:55 AM

Oh, okay. I knew that then :)
I think he wants a DO in DXB!
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: D93 on November 11, 2015, 06:14:39 AM
I think he wants a DO in DXB!

+1
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: AharonInIsrael on November 11, 2015, 06:38:37 AM
I think he wants a DO in DXB!
Ah, okay. I guess I should expect things to be confusing when asking so many questions at once
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chff on November 12, 2015, 08:59:44 PM
http://www.thenextmiami.com/index.php/mia-could-soon-have-flights-to-africa-ireland-and-israel/
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Moishebatchy on November 13, 2015, 03:14:09 AM
Anyone ever do a day trip ex-TLV? Where to? How was it? DO anyone?

I just did an A3 mileage run yesterday. But if you take out my second and third segments (and only keep my first and last segments), you have a perfect day trip to Athens - leave TLV at 6:00 and arrive in ATH at 8:10 AM; leave ATH at 10:30 PM and arrive in TLV at 12:30 AM. Schedule only works out certain days of the week.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: AharonInIsrael on November 13, 2015, 03:47:53 AM
I just did an A3 mileage run yesterday. But if you take out my second and third segments (and only keep my first and last segments), you have a perfect day trip to Athens - leave TLV at 6:00 and arrive in ATH at 8:10 AM; leave ATH at 10:30 PM and arrive in TLV at 12:30 AM. Schedule only works out certain days of the week.
I've been looking at that. On Thursdays in the February only $156 IIRC. Thanks!
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shauly on November 23, 2015, 12:55:05 PM
It's so hard to route TLV-PVG (or anywhere far east) using AA... The layovers in AMM and DXB are ridiculous. Can't wait for CX to start flying TLV-HKG. Hopefully there will be availability. /endrant
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on November 23, 2015, 12:56:19 PM
It's so hard to route TLV-PVG (or anywhere far east) using AA... The layovers in AMM and DXB are ridiculous. Can't wait for CX to start flying TLV-HKG. Hopefully there will be availability. /endrant
whats ridiculous? the times or the actual stopover in those places?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shauly on November 23, 2015, 12:57:53 PM
whats ridiculous? the times or the actual stopover in those places?

The times. AMM I have no desire to visit, but I wouldn't mind a day in DXB if I wasn't trying to make such a short trip to PVG. Each way ends up taking like 3 whole days.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on November 23, 2015, 01:00:17 PM
The times. AMM I have no desire to visit, but I wouldn't mind a day in DXB if I wasn't trying to make such a short trip to PVG. Each way ends up taking like 3 whole days.
whats wrong with the TLV-AMM AM flight? works for most connecting options
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shauly on November 23, 2015, 01:02:46 PM
whats wrong with the TLV-AMM AM flight? works for most connecting options

Does RJ have any flights to DXB before the 4:30pm?

E: Seems like the 4:30 is the shortest connection.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: D93 on November 23, 2015, 01:05:43 PM
Does RJ have any flights to DXB before the 4:30pm?

E: Seems like the 4:30 is the shortest connection.
Why are you routing through DXB? That will require an additional stop in HKG. You are better off routing AUH-PVG.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shauly on November 23, 2015, 01:07:36 PM
Why are you routing through DXB? That will require an additional stop in HKG. You are better off routing AUH-PVG.

Seems like CX/KA have better availability, but I would take that if I could find it.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on November 23, 2015, 01:08:08 PM
Does RJ have any flights to DXB before the 4:30pm?
not that would work without an overnight. but you can take TLV-AMM-AUH-PVG with around 3 hrs by each stopover
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: D93 on November 23, 2015, 01:09:35 PM
Seems like CX/KA have better availability, but I would take that if I could find it.

Did you try searching AMM-AUH on RJ or EY and AUH-PVG on EY?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shauly on November 23, 2015, 01:12:41 PM
Not sure what I was thinking that I dismissed AUH-PVG so fast. Got so set on taking CX out of DXB, and I didn't look back.

Looks like I should be able to make something work.  ;D
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: D93 on November 23, 2015, 01:16:20 PM
Not sure what I was thinking that I dismissed AUH-PVG so fast. Got so set on taking CX out of DXB, and I didn't look back.

Looks like I should be able to make something work.  ;D

CX J a330 is nicer than EY J a330, but the extra stop and bad timing can be a huge factor.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shauly on November 23, 2015, 01:21:32 PM
CX J a330 is nicer than EY J a330, but the extra stop and bad timing can be a huge factor.

There will be more opportunities for CX J. Like I said, I'm really looking forward to the TLV-HKG route, that will make visiting Hong Kong very nice, assuming they will have availability.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: SamKey on November 24, 2015, 01:48:19 PM
There will be more opportunities for CX J. Like I said, I'm really looking forward to the TLV-HKG route, that will make visiting Hong Kong very nice, assuming they will have availability.
Yeah but the deval ain't fun
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: D93 on November 24, 2015, 01:52:28 PM
Yeah but the deval ain't fun

30k to 40k isn't a huge change.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: efflpetzel on November 25, 2015, 01:04:22 PM
Monarch restarting LTN-TLV 3 flights a week after a 10 year absence

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4730754,00.html
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Wandering Israeli on November 25, 2015, 02:02:45 PM
Monarch restarting LTN-TLV 3 flights a week after a 10 year absence

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4730754,00.html
why do they think that starting with introductory pricing that's higher then the competitor is a good idea?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: IsraelGuy on November 29, 2015, 01:22:34 AM
Anyone have experience with TLV-AMM route? If I book two J awards now and that's all the available space, is there a chance of two more J showing up, or is that flight usually limited to a specific capacity?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: D93 on November 29, 2015, 02:27:24 AM
Anyone have experience with TLV-AMM route? If I book two J awards now and that's all the available space, is there a chance of two more J showing up, or is that flight usually limited to a specific capacity?

In general, RJ doesn't release more than 1 or 2 seats on that route and they don't release more seats closer in.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: high end hobo on November 29, 2015, 10:13:39 PM
maybe i'm spaced but anyone else notice that BA rostered in a 4 cabin 772 to TLV with 4 cabins of service?
its the only way to travel to TLV in F other than on KE and LY
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: D93 on November 30, 2015, 12:12:13 AM
maybe i'm spaced but anyone else notice that BA rostered in a 4 cabin 772 to TLV with 4 cabins of service?
its the only way to travel to TLV in F other than on KE and LY

Old news.....
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: high end hobo on November 30, 2015, 09:56:16 AM

so where's the post on DDF? i searched and didn't find anything
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: D93 on November 30, 2015, 10:57:22 AM
so where's the post on DDF? i searched and didn't find anything

You posted it yourself.

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=46360.msg1294028#msg1294028
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: high end hobo on November 30, 2015, 11:49:32 AM
You posted it yourself.

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=46360.msg1294028#msg1294028
I only remembered seeing the 3 cabin 787. my post there was about more space in J.
Im now amazed there is a 4 cabin 777 on the route.
wanted to know if anyone else noticed or is discussing or reviewing the product
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: mawmaw on November 30, 2015, 01:39:14 PM
maybe i'm spaced but anyone else notice that BA rostered in a 4 cabin 772 to TLV with 4 cabins of service?
its the only way to travel to TLV in F other than on KE and LY
you left out LX with status
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: D93 on November 30, 2015, 01:40:26 PM
you left out LX with status

LX F ex-TLV isn't real F, plus you don't need status to book it.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: high end hobo on November 30, 2015, 03:14:33 PM
LX F ex-TLV isn't real F, plus you don't need status to book it.
They fly an A340 ZRH-TLV sometimes, idk the layout, can we make a wiki with the EX-EU J products to TLV?
 
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: D93 on November 30, 2015, 03:27:04 PM
They fly an A340 ZRH-TLV sometimes, idk the layout,

They also fly an a330-300 with same seating as the a340.
It's an F seat but no F service = "LX F ex-TLV isn't real F".

Quote
can we make a wiki with the EX-EU J products to TLV?

There's already a thread on it.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on November 30, 2015, 03:28:33 PM
can we make a wiki with the EX-EU J products to TLV?
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=48340
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: high end hobo on November 30, 2015, 06:31:01 PM
Thank you. That is exactly the thread I was looking for for my discussion, sorry for wasting the time of the members of this thread.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on December 06, 2015, 08:53:48 AM
Does anyone know if Azerbaijan Airlines is continuing their TLV - JFK route in spring? They haven't opened the calendar past March 21st to JFK and returning March 22. It's quite strange not to have availability open less than 4 months in advance.

(I'm not sure if this better belongs here or here: http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=46332.msg1315264#msg1315264 , but I figured that it's more likely to get answered here...)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on December 09, 2015, 12:12:21 PM
looking into going to Portugal. i see that the only way to go direct is with Sundor which is a subsidiary or Elal. Possible to book that with miles?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: AharonInIsrael on December 09, 2015, 12:47:58 PM
I'm thinking about making a speculative booking using AA miles before the devaluation to either Australia or New Zealand. What are the most enjoyable ways to get there from TLV in J and F? Will CX starting TLV-HKG blow other options out of the water?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: D93 on December 09, 2015, 12:49:21 PM
I'm thinking about making a speculative booking using AA miles before the devaluation to either Australia or New Zealand. What are the most enjoyable ways to get there from TLV in J and F? Will CX starting TLV-HKG blow other options out of the water?

TLV-AMM-AUH-SYD on EY apartment
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: AharonInIsrael on December 09, 2015, 01:09:00 PM
TLV-AMM-AUH-SYD on EY apartment
And I can book that for 60k AA?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: D93 on December 09, 2015, 01:09:37 PM
And I can book that for 60k AA?

Yes
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: AharonInIsrael on December 09, 2015, 01:20:46 PM
Yes
Whoa, cool stuff. I'd be looking for three seats, and that seems a bit dicey. From what I understood, they open up 2 seats and then possibly more as you get closer. It does look like an unforgettable way to get somewhere though.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on December 09, 2015, 03:10:03 PM
Whoa, cool stuff. I'd be looking for three seats, and that seems a bit dicey. From what I understood, they open up 2 seats and then possibly more as you get closer. It does look like an unforgettable way to get somewhere though.
So book J. Not too hard to find 3
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chucksterace on December 09, 2015, 03:37:53 PM
I just booked that route, SYD-AUH-AMM using AA. Just for that same reason.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: rediplus on December 09, 2015, 05:14:05 PM
how do you search for availability ? the tlv-amm-auh can be done on AA website and the syd leg on ek website and the syd leg is added on the phone ?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on December 09, 2015, 05:44:37 PM
how do you search for availability ? the tlv-amm-auh can be done on AA website and the syd leg on ek website and the syd leg is added on the phone ?
Yes, you can search separately and call to piece all together.
(Also I think you mean EY not EK)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: D93 on December 09, 2015, 06:22:28 PM
how do you search for availability ? the tlv-amm-auh can be done on AA website and the syd leg on ek website and the syd leg is added on the phone ?
Yes, you can search separately and call to piece all together.
(Also I think you mean EY not EK)

And EY also flies AMM-AUH.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Wandering Israeli on December 24, 2015, 06:54:55 AM
Monarch starting Manchester - Tel Aviv route 3 times a week on April 19th
prices don't look too good though
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: high end hobo on December 26, 2015, 11:15:27 PM
Monarch starting Manchester - Tel Aviv route 3 times a week on April 19th
prices don't look too good though
they're better than easy jet IME
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Wandering Israeli on December 27, 2015, 07:13:00 AM
they're better than easy jet IME
overall experience or price?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: high end hobo on December 27, 2015, 12:53:36 PM
Overall experience. Actually easy jet isn't so bad. Ryanair is where the real fun is
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: AharonInIsrael on December 29, 2015, 04:57:03 AM
Anyone ever do a day trip ex-TLV? Where to? How was it? DO anyone?
I'm looking more into doing this. There's a few days in January/February that Aegean has relatively cheap flights. Anyone interested in going with me on Thursday February 4th? $200 RT, leave at 6 AM get back a bit after midnight (on ground for 12:20)?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Wandering Israeli on December 29, 2015, 06:04:48 AM
Overall experience. Actually easy jet isn't so bad. Ryanair is where the real fun is
I found Easyjet to be from the best of the LCCs
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Wandering Israeli on December 29, 2015, 06:07:07 AM
RJ just started a new route to Jakarta on the 787
Not the best option but if looking to minimize flight time its a good option. Don't see it yet available but its always good to have other OW options to that side of the world
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: D93 on December 29, 2015, 06:09:12 AM
RJ just started a new route to Jakarta on the 787
Not the best option but if looking to minimize flight time its a good option. Don't see it yet available but its always good to have other OW options to that side of the world

Pretty solid option for 30k in lie flat J.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on December 29, 2015, 06:14:30 AM
RJ just started a new route to Jakarta on the 787
Not the best option but if looking to minimize flight time its a good option. Don't see it yet available but its always good to have other OW options to that side of the world
is it direct? seems to say with a "technical stop"
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Wandering Israeli on December 29, 2015, 06:59:18 AM
is it direct? seems to say with a "technical stop"
a little research seems to say that it has a 1 hour stop in KUL. First leg is a 787 second leg is A330
Pretty solid option for 30k in lie flat J.
it does not seem to be bookable yet though
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: rileywiles23 on December 29, 2015, 08:43:17 AM
Are there specific planes on TK that have real J flying out of TLV, to either IST, or SAW ?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: D93 on December 29, 2015, 08:45:28 AM
Are there specific planes on TK that have real J flying out of TLV, to either IST, or SAW ?

Yes
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on December 29, 2015, 08:50:54 AM
Are there specific planes on TK that have real J flying out of TLV, to either IST, or SAW ?
I had it on 1 of 3 opportunities.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: rileywiles23 on December 29, 2015, 08:55:30 AM

Yes
Which ones ?
I had it on 1 of 3 opportunities.
Is there anyway to know beforehand ?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on December 29, 2015, 08:56:09 AM
I had it on 1 of 3 opportunities.
Knew in advance which one it would be?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: D93 on December 29, 2015, 09:01:57 AM
Which ones ? Is there anyway to know beforehand ?

A330-300
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: rileywiles23 on December 29, 2015, 09:18:44 AM

A330-300
Their flying the a321, and the 737 in the day I need.
SN, LO, and OS are all fake J, correct ?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: D93 on December 29, 2015, 09:23:20 AM
Their flying the a321, and the 737 in the day I need.
SN, LO, and OS are all fake J, correct ?

Correct

No LX a330/a340 available?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: rileywiles23 on December 29, 2015, 09:33:43 AM

Correct

No LX a330/a340 available?
No LX availability at all.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on December 29, 2015, 10:07:30 AM
From what I've seen on FT, they switch equipment often, and w/o warning, so you may still get lucky.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: high end hobo on December 29, 2015, 08:47:33 PM
Are there specific planes on TK that have real J flying out of TLV, to either IST, or SAW ?
TLV-IST is such a short flight, how much of a difference does it make? the J seat on their A321 is very decent, much better than the European airlines
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: D93 on December 30, 2015, 02:17:11 AM
TLV-IST is such a short flight, how much of a difference does it make? the J seat on their A321 is very decent, much better than the European airlines

How so?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: a mirrer on December 30, 2015, 02:26:36 AM
How so?
from seat guru it seems like it does recline more than economy
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: harrym on December 30, 2015, 05:30:16 AM
How so?
The 737 I was on business was 2-2 configuration, economy is 3-3.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: high end hobo on December 30, 2015, 11:37:21 AM
TK Actually has a different J seat then the Y ones on their A321, the other airlines have the same exact seat for J and Y, with just blocked middle
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Wandering Israeli on January 03, 2016, 07:11:45 AM
Israir to start a new route to Sri Lanka in August
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: D93 on January 03, 2016, 07:28:08 AM
Israir to start a new route to Sri Lanka in August

Would be nice if they had some partners.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: AharonInIsrael on January 05, 2016, 05:50:14 AM
I'm looking more into doing this. There's a few days in January/February that Aegean has relatively cheap flights. Anyone interested in going with me on Thursday February 4th? $200 RT, leave at 6 AM get back a bit after midnight (on ground for 12:20)?
BUMP. Anyone? (I think price is now about $230)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on January 05, 2016, 07:42:06 AM
BUMP. Anyone? (I think price is now about $230)
What's the point? Unless you need a visa renewal.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: AharonInIsrael on January 05, 2016, 07:43:04 AM
What's the point? Unless you need a visa renewal.
To see (parts of) Athens
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on January 05, 2016, 08:43:49 AM
To see (parts of) Athens
1) it's cold
2) you'd be rushing, best to do it somewhat properly
3) $230 isn't chump change, and w/ the LY mileage sale, the price would be even lower
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: AharonInIsrael on January 05, 2016, 04:04:04 PM
1) it's cold
2) you'd be rushing, best to do it somewhat properly
3) $230 isn't chump change, and w/ the LY mileage sale, the price would be even lower
So... you're not coming?
I don't feel like I have the time to do it properly for a few more years, and wouldn't mind going again. I can do different things now by myself than I can do with a wife and kids.
Forgot about the LY sale extension, I'll look into those dates too, thanks for the reminder.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: SamKey on January 06, 2016, 01:17:48 PM
So... you're not coming?
I don't feel like I have the time to do it properly for a few more years, and wouldn't mind going again. I can do different things now by myself than I can do with a wife and kids.
Forgot about the LY sale extension, I'll look into those dates too, thanks for the reminder.
If I'd be doing a trip without my wife it would include at least 15 hrs in F...
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: tavster on January 07, 2016, 01:29:43 AM
Could be old story -

I saw that LY is outsourcing some of its JFK and BOS routes to Spanish charter Privilege Style's 777.

Anybody has experience of these planes? Couldn't get any real color online. Are these planes beter/ even worst than LY?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on January 07, 2016, 01:59:21 AM


Could be old story -

I saw that LY is outsourcing some of its JFK and BOS routes to Spanish charter Privilege Style's 777.

Anybody has experience of these planes? Couldn't get any real color online. Are these planes beter/ even worst than LY?

BOS is using the 767 I believe. Shell seats are definitely a small upgrade
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Denverite on January 07, 2016, 02:18:02 AM
Israir to start a new route to Sri Lanka in August

That's interesting and could provide a good jumping off point to MLE or Asia since except for Turkish, a lot of other airlines have hubs thru Arab countries that don't fly from TLV.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: SLMYRCB on January 07, 2016, 02:44:37 AM
That's interesting and could provide a good jumping off point to MLE or Asia since except for Turkish, a lot of other airlines have hubs thru Arab countries that don't fly from TLV.
RJ
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: tavster on January 07, 2016, 03:40:30 AM

BOS is using the 767 I believe. Shell seats are definitely a small upgrade

Thanks. Any idea if they fully lie-down?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: travel agent on January 10, 2016, 11:21:22 AM
is Ryan air stopping to fly to Israel? they are not selling flights for after Mar.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: high end hobo on January 10, 2016, 04:53:48 PM
You checked ovda or just tlv?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on January 10, 2016, 05:24:36 PM
You checked ovda or just tlv?
They don't have any fights out of TLV. Their calendar to/from Israel only extends through March while all other destinations are a year
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: travel agent on January 11, 2016, 03:47:50 AM
They don't have any fights out of TLV. Their calendar to/from Israel only extends through March while all other destinations are a year


so are they flying after March or not?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: SLMYRCB on January 11, 2016, 03:54:33 AM

so are they flying after March or not?
I remember reading that it's a seasonal (winter) route only.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: travel agent on January 11, 2016, 04:05:32 AM
I remember reading that it's a seasonal (winter) route only.

all 3 destinations? & what's about next winter?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Wandering Israeli on January 17, 2016, 06:56:52 AM
A3 will be adding more flights to ATH and LCA on 3/28 for a total of 10 flights weekly to each
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Wandering Israeli on January 24, 2016, 06:31:10 AM
TUS Airways starting flights from LCA to Tel Aviv and Haifa on February 14th
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: high end hobo on January 24, 2016, 01:21:59 PM
TUS Airways starting flights from LCA to Tel Aviv and Haifa on February 14th
What aircraft will they be using? Last I checked they only had one Saab
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Wandering Israeli on January 24, 2016, 01:49:43 PM
What aircraft will they be using? Last I checked they only had one Saab
yes, its the  Saab 340B turboprop
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: mgarfin on January 24, 2016, 01:55:47 PM
TUS Airways starting flights from LCA to Tel Aviv and Haifa on February 14th

Is there any other international flights coming in to Haifa  ?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Wandering Israeli on January 24, 2016, 03:29:22 PM

Is there any other international flights coming in to Haifa  ?
No
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: IsraelGuy on January 25, 2016, 05:52:41 PM
Just took TK with real J into TLV - sooooo nice! Yeah its less than 2 hours, but after 15 hours of flying it was definitely welcome.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: IsraelGuy on January 27, 2016, 08:32:35 AM
Any suggestions on a fun 1-3 day trip ex TLV relatively easy on points (including hotel)?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: D93 on January 27, 2016, 08:37:29 AM
Any suggestions on a fun 1-3 day trip ex TLV relatively easy on points (including hotel)?

DXB/AUH
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: IsraelGuy on January 27, 2016, 08:41:43 AM

DXB/AUH

Thanks. Already will be headed to AUH soon enough.

Possibilities could be anything- ski area, rainy city, just want to go somewhere next weekish. Though about CDG but didn't see any obvious flight options.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: D93 on January 27, 2016, 09:01:51 AM
Thanks. Already will be headed to AUH soon enough.

Possibilities could be anything- ski area, rainy city, just want to go somewhere next weekish. Though about CDG but didn't see any obvious flight options.

Go to the Alps and go skiing for 2-3 days.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: IsraelGuy on January 27, 2016, 09:04:23 AM

Go to the Alps and go skiing for 2-3 days.

Sounds like I could be nice, but maybe super expensive?
Zrh? Flying on Star alliance I'm guessing and any good places to stay on points?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: SLMYRCB on January 27, 2016, 09:07:36 AM
Sounds like I could be nice, but maybe super expensive?
Zrh? Flying on Star alliance I'm guessing and any good places to stay on points?
4 million Barclays arrival points should get you a night at the (sub-par) Metropol Arosa but you'll have to pay for breakfast and everything else.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: IsraelGuy on January 27, 2016, 09:08:58 AM

4 million Barclays arrival points should get you a night at the (sub-par) Metropol Arosa but you'll have to pay for breakfast and everything else.

Thanks :)
Almost enough points by not quite.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on January 27, 2016, 09:12:13 AM
Sounds like I could be nice, but maybe super expensive?
Zrh? Flying on Star alliance I'm guessing and any good places to stay on points?
Park Hyatt Zurich, great value for free night cert. My room they gave me when I stayed was over $2000
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on January 27, 2016, 09:12:49 AM
Any suggestions on a fun 1-3 day trip ex TLV relatively easy on points (including hotel)?
What do you mean "fun"?
Seeing or doing?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: D93 on January 27, 2016, 09:21:41 AM
Sounds like I could be nice, but maybe super expensive?
Zrh? Flying on Star alliance I'm guessing and any good places to stay on points?

50k SQ for LX J RT.
There's a Sheraton in Davos.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: D93 on January 27, 2016, 09:22:38 AM
Park Hyatt Zurich, great value for free night cert. My room they gave me when I stayed was over $2000

Slight issue, Zurich is 2-3 hour train ride from the slopes.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: benjie1305 on January 27, 2016, 09:23:02 AM
Park Hyatt Zurich, great value for free night cert. My room they gave me when I stayed was over $2000

Nice value there! Were you Diamond? Score an upgrade as well?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on January 27, 2016, 09:23:14 AM


50k SQ for LX J RT.
.
+YQ, no?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: D93 on January 27, 2016, 09:24:07 AM
+YQ, no?

Yes, ~$300 RT
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on January 27, 2016, 09:25:57 AM
Yes, ~$300 RT
Terrible value for this trip. May as well fly Y for a couple hours and spend less then that with zero miles
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on January 27, 2016, 09:27:13 AM
Nice value there! Were you Diamond? Score an upgrade as well?
Was not diamond on my account I booked it from, got a small upgrade and base room was 800 euro
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: IsraelGuy on January 27, 2016, 09:34:36 AM
Yeah I'd rather not pay YQ or just pay for Y. Ideally I'd be fine flying Y on such a short trip if the taxes are low enough. 2-3 hour train ride sounds like t would kill PHZ. I'll check Sheraton in Davos.
I'm fine either seeing or doing. Seeing is easier as were plus 2 toddlers, but doing isn't out of the question...
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: IsraelGuy on January 27, 2016, 09:35:22 AM
Unless there's enough to do around the PHZ just to see without skiing- I'll read up on some TRs
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on January 27, 2016, 09:41:44 AM
Yeah I'd rather not pay YQ or just pay for Y. Ideally I'd be fine flying Y on such a short trip if the taxes are low enough. 2-3 hour train ride sounds like t would kill PHZ. I'll check Sheraton in Davos.
I'm fine either seeing or doing. Seeing is easier as were plus 2 toddlers, but doing isn't out of the question...
BUD sounds perfect for you.
Short flight, one of the cheapest places to fly to, luxury hotels are not expensive (check out the boscolo there), from the cheapest destinations in europe, beautiful city, enough but not too much to see in 1-3 days, kosher food...
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: benjie1305 on January 27, 2016, 09:42:34 AM
BUD sounds perfect for you.
Short flight, one of the cheapest places to fly to, luxury hotels are not expensive (check out the boscolo there), from the cheapest destinations in europe, beautiful city, enough but not too much to see in 1-3 days, kosher food...

As in no kosher food pretty much. Much rather do Vienna for 2-3 days. Much to see. Many hotels. A lot of Kosher food.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on January 27, 2016, 09:45:05 AM
As in no kosher food pretty much. Much rather do Vienna for 2-3 days. Much to see. Many hotels. A lot of Kosher food.
There is more then one kosher restaurant, its for 1-3 days he doesn't need a 13th ave
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: benjie1305 on January 27, 2016, 09:48:48 AM
There is more then one kosher restaurant, its for 1-3 days he doesn't need a 13th ave

No need for a 13th ave but at least restaurants aren't far in addition to having a lot to do there. Budapest is nice but I am always done with all the good stuff in any given day and then have to shlep across town to go grab a bite.

Also - I think there are two places. Are you aware of any others?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on January 27, 2016, 09:55:17 AM
No need for a 13th ave but at least restaurants aren't far in addition to having a lot to do there. Budapest is nice but I am always done with all the good stuff in any given day and then have to shlep across town to go grab a bite.

Also - I think there are two places. Are you aware of any others?
I seems to recall at least 3 but places are always opening and closing so dunno about nowadays. Anytime you go anywhere in the world that's not the tristate area and has limited eateries you need to work out your day smartly with food, if he wants to not have a rushed day you hang out locally until lunch and then go out for the rest of the day and be back for supper
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: travel agent on January 27, 2016, 11:08:57 AM
PRG is also very cheap
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on January 27, 2016, 11:53:52 AM
50k SQ for LX J RT.
There's a Sheraton in Davos.
45k Israeli LH
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: D93 on January 27, 2016, 01:06:15 PM
45k Israeli LH

Forgot about that one! Thanks.

Also 21k A3 OW
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on January 27, 2016, 04:07:01 PM
Forgot about that one! Thanks.

Also 21k A3 OW
LH gives more availability to their members i think, so that can help in some cases
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: D93 on January 27, 2016, 04:59:43 PM
LH gives more availability to their members i think, so that can help in some cases

Forgot about that one! Thanks.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on February 09, 2016, 06:18:18 AM
ANA might be interested in flights.

http://www.port2port.co.il/article/%D7%94%D7%95%D7%91%D7%9C%D7%94-%D7%90%D7%95%D7%95%D7%99%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%AA/%D7%97%D7%91%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%AA%D7%A2%D7%95%D7%A4%D7%94/%D7%90%D7%A0%D7%94-%D7%9E%D7%92%D7%9C%D7%94-%D7%A2%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%99%D7%9F-%D7%A8%D7%91-%D7%91%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%A7-%D7%94%D7%99%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%90%D7%9C%D7%99/
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: D93 on February 09, 2016, 06:48:51 AM
ANA might be interested in flights.

http://www.port2port.co.il/article/%D7%94%D7%95%D7%91%D7%9C%D7%94-%D7%90%D7%95%D7%95%D7%99%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%AA/%D7%97%D7%91%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%AA%D7%A2%D7%95%D7%A4%D7%94/%D7%90%D7%A0%D7%94-%D7%9E%D7%92%D7%9C%D7%94-%D7%A2%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%99%D7%9F-%D7%A8%D7%91-%D7%91%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%A7-%D7%94%D7%99%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%90%D7%9C%D7%99/

Nice!
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Wandering Israeli on February 09, 2016, 07:15:03 AM
ANA might be interested in flights.

http://www.port2port.co.il/article/%D7%94%D7%95%D7%91%D7%9C%D7%94-%D7%90%D7%95%D7%95%D7%99%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%AA/%D7%97%D7%91%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%AA%D7%A2%D7%95%D7%A4%D7%94/%D7%90%D7%A0%D7%94-%D7%9E%D7%92%D7%9C%D7%94-%D7%A2%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%99%D7%9F-%D7%A8%D7%91-%D7%91%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%A7-%D7%94%D7%99%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%90%D7%9C%D7%99/
They have been mentioning direct flights for awhile already but it doesn't look like it will happen anytime in the foreseeable future
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on February 09, 2016, 07:25:52 AM
http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4763651,00.html
does Hainan partner with anyone?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: a mirrer on February 09, 2016, 08:50:44 AM
http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4763651,00.html
does Hainan partner with anyone?
alaska (https://www.alaskaair.com/content/mileage-plan/partners/hainan.aspx) early 2016
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: D93 on February 09, 2016, 08:56:12 AM
alaska (https://www.alaskaair.com/content/mileage-plan/partners/hainan.aspx) early 2016

You can use AS even though it doesn't touch USA?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: high end hobo on February 09, 2016, 11:06:23 AM
You can use AS even though it doesn't touch USA?
Depends which region, often it'll have to be booked as a RT
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on February 18, 2016, 05:38:58 AM
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-royal-jordanian-to-launch-tel-aviv-china-flights-1001103371

via AMM
So they now have BKK, HKG, KUL and this
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: SLMYRCB on February 18, 2016, 06:07:14 AM
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-royal-jordanian-to-launch-tel-aviv-china-flights-1001103371

via AMM
So they now have BKK, HKG, KUL and this
This TLV-AMM keeps becoming more and more of a bottle neck.

...if only the CX plans materialise *hopeful*.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: D93 on February 18, 2016, 06:09:04 AM
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-royal-jordanian-to-launch-tel-aviv-china-flights-1001103371

via AMM
So they now have BKK, HKG, KUL and this

Nice, but why the need for the stop in BKK?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 18, 2016, 08:03:05 AM
What's with the CX flight?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on February 18, 2016, 08:11:03 AM
Nice, but why the need for the stop in BKK?
Probably to alternate the days btw continuing onto HKG via BKK
I guess their load isn't high enough to justify a single flight to either of the locations

What's with the CX flight?
Haven't heard anything since last year, and I don't think they're marketing flights yet.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: a mirrer on February 25, 2016, 08:07:40 AM
alaska (https://www.alaskaair.com/content/mileage-plan/partners/hainan.aspx) early 2016
award bookings available from march 30
ht milecards (https://www.alaskaair.com/content/mileage-plan/partners/Hainan.aspx)
wonder if they'll let tlv-pek
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on March 16, 2016, 01:44:47 PM
Just noticed that CMB isn't going up in the devaluation since its moving from Asia to ME/IS.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: SLMYRCB on March 16, 2016, 02:24:24 PM
Just noticed that CMB isn't going up in the devaluation since its moving from Asia to ME/IS.
It's going down.
I acctualy thought that was your cheshbon, you don't have to deal with all this booking early tircha.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on March 16, 2016, 02:32:31 PM
It's going down.
I acctualy thought that was your cheshbon, you don't have to deal with all this booking early tircha.
Its staying the same in J.
Just realized today.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on March 16, 2016, 03:01:07 PM
Its staying the same in J.
Just realized today.
Cool, where did you see that?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on March 16, 2016, 03:07:43 PM
Cool, where did you see that?
You know where I saw it but either way Here. (http://www.milevalue.com/these-five-countries-are-changing-regions-on-american-airlines-devaaluation-day/)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: benjie1305 on March 16, 2016, 03:08:36 PM
You know where I saw it but either way Here. (http://www.milevalue.com/these-five-countries-are-changing-regions-on-american-airlines-devaaluation-day/)

Lol.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on March 16, 2016, 03:09:19 PM
You know where I saw it but either way Here. (http://www.milevalue.com/these-five-countries-are-changing-regions-on-american-airlines-devaaluation-day/)
Need to show MV some lovin...
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on April 25, 2016, 03:23:34 PM
Can someone please explain this to me?
Hahn Air is barely an airline and only has flights from Germany and Armavia has been out of service for 3 years, and im pretty sure none of those operate that aircraft.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: high end hobo on April 25, 2016, 04:33:56 PM
Can someone please explain this to me?
Hahn Air is barely an airline and only has flights from Germany and Armavia has been out of service for 3 years, and im pretty sure none of those operate that aircraft.
thats precisely it, they aren't much of an airline but they give a reservation system to dozens of other (mainly Low cost carriers) airlines, see https://www.hahnair.com/en/public/about-hahn-air
As for Armavia, I'm not sure
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on April 25, 2016, 04:37:38 PM
thats precisely it, they aren't much of an airline but they give a reservation system to dozens of other (mainly Low cost carriers) airlines, see https://www.hahnair.com/en/public/about-hahn-air
As for Armavia, I'm not sure
I know what they do but that still doesn't explain it.
Either way I believe I figured it out. It's likely TUS Airways
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shimino1 on April 26, 2016, 04:57:47 AM
I know what they do but that still doesn't explain it.
Either way I believe I figured it out. It's likely TUS Airways
Isn't that supposed to fly to Haifa?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on April 26, 2016, 05:00:00 AM
Isn't that supposed to fly to Haifa?
I believe both.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on July 11, 2016, 06:31:24 PM
http://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/47624-israel-to-resume-kenya-flights-next-month
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Daniel on August 18, 2016, 10:52:51 AM
Hi,
What is the cheapest TLV-Europe route for award flights? Is it still Avios?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on August 18, 2016, 04:20:18 PM
Hi,
What is the cheapest TLV-Europe route for award flights? Is it still Avios?
If direct flight, then BA is good.
EY also has good deals if you can get them to book.
And don't forget the AF promos, you can often find good deals from that.

For J, then LH Israeli accounts are a good value.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: rochk123 on August 18, 2016, 05:30:01 PM
Hi,
What is the cheapest TLV-Europe route for award flights? Is it still Avios?

How does you search BA Awards for flights to directly to Europe?
Anytime I try to search from TLV - a different city in Europe it always take me through LHR.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Tom Brady on August 18, 2016, 06:02:15 PM
How does you search BA Awards for flights to directly to Europe?
Anytime I try to search from TLV - a different city in Europe it always take me through LHR.
That's probably all what's available on the dates that you searched then. If you want a direct flight to Europe using avios other than BA to London, all of the options that I can think of offhand are: AB to TXL or DUS, Niki to VIE, Iberia to MAD, and Finnair to HEL.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on August 18, 2016, 06:02:21 PM
How does you search BA Awards for flights to directly to Europe?
Anytime I try to search from TLV - a different city in Europe it always take me through LHR.
it'll show you both options
you may need to scroll down a bit
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: high end hobo on August 18, 2016, 10:37:57 PM
That's probably all what's available on the dates that you searched then. If you want a direct flight to Europe using avios other than BA to London, all of the options that I can think of offhand are: AB to TXL or DUS, Niki to VIE, Iberia to MAD, and Finnair to HEL.
They dropped that route CMIIW
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shimino1 on August 19, 2016, 04:23:29 AM
That's probably all what's available on the dates that you searched then. If you want a direct flight to Europe using avios other than BA to London, all of the options that I can think of offhand are: AB to TXL or DUS, Niki to VIE, Iberia to MAD, and Finnair to HEL.
Don't forget AB to MUC
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Tom Brady on August 19, 2016, 05:21:39 AM
They dropped that route CMIIW
Ya it looks like they did. Thanks, I didn't know.
Don't forget AB to MUC
I don't think they fly that route, CMIIW.

ETA: It also looks like Niki dropped their route to TLV
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: philbenjoe on September 21, 2016, 06:45:06 PM
What are my best options for TLV - SYD/MEL? AA doesn't seem to have any seats. *A? TIA
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shimino1 on September 21, 2016, 09:46:39 PM
What are my best options for TLV - SYD/MEL? AA doesn't seem to have any seats. *A? TIA
Search each segment on it's own
TLV-AMM usually only has Business class.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on September 21, 2016, 09:51:14 PM


usually
always.

Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: mmm740 on September 21, 2016, 09:59:27 PM
What are my best options for TLV - SYD/MEL? AA doesn't seem to have any seats. *A? TIA
60k United in business or 35k economy, routing via IST or anywhere in Europe.

Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: mmm740 on September 21, 2016, 09:59:38 PM
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4858058,00.html
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: philbenjoe on September 22, 2016, 02:00:15 AM
Search each segment on it's own
what routing?
60k United in business or 35k economy, routing via IST or anywhere in Europe.


thanks I'll check.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shimino1 on September 22, 2016, 08:11:11 AM
what routing?

TLV-AMM, AMM-XXX, XXX-SYD. Price= 45,000 AA miles
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: mmm740 on September 22, 2016, 08:27:08 AM
TLV-AMM, AMM-XXX, XXX-SYD. Price= 45,000 AA miles
-1
Y - 42.5k
J - 80k
F - 100k
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: elya on September 22, 2016, 09:01:13 AM
-1
Y - 42.5k
J - 80k
F - 100k
He's still on the old award chart..
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shimino1 on September 22, 2016, 05:55:23 PM
He's still on the old award chart..
You're right.
Forgot they ruined that one....
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: efflpetzel on September 23, 2016, 01:52:41 AM
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4858058,00.html
Never gonna happen.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: SLMYRCB on September 23, 2016, 06:31:11 AM
Never gonna happen.
I'm still banking on Cathay and/or China Airlines
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shauly on September 23, 2016, 08:46:24 AM
I'm still banking on Cathay and/or China Airlines

Cathay at least announced the route, but mid 2016 has come and gone with nothing.  :'(

Wasn't there something about Hainan at one point also?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on September 23, 2016, 08:49:26 AM



Wasn't there something about Hainan at one point also?
They currently fly.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shauly on September 23, 2016, 08:50:45 AM
They currently fly.

Ah, right.  ;)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: high end hobo on September 27, 2016, 08:46:22 PM
A Israeli Ambassador to the far east told me that the QF route is likely happening and that he/she has been trying for a direct SQ  flight for years
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: SLMYRCB on September 27, 2016, 08:50:40 PM
A Israeli Ambassador to the far east told me that the QF route is likely happening and that he/she has been trying for a direct SQ  flight for years
Sounds like United

Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: a mirrer on October 10, 2016, 08:43:53 AM
A Israeli Ambassador to the far east told me that the QF route is likely happening and that he/she has been trying for a direct SQ  flight for years
SQ just put in a request for slots at TLV
http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4865340,00.html
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chff on October 10, 2016, 11:34:28 AM
Posted in SQ thread as well
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=35885.1110 (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=35885.1110)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: mmm740 on October 26, 2016, 05:07:47 AM
http://www.aviationtribune.com/uncategorized/cathay-pacific-to-add-tel-aviv-to-global-network/
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Mech on October 26, 2016, 05:41:33 AM
Here's another article on the new long awaited CX HKG-TLV route.
http://pointmetotheplane.boardingarea.com/2016/10/26/cathay-pacific-tel-aviv-hong-kong/
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chff on October 26, 2016, 07:22:40 AM
Here's another article on the new long awaited CX HKG-TLV route.
http://pointmetotheplane.boardingarea.com/2016/10/26/cathay-pacific-tel-aviv-hong-kong/
Now it has a date already...
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: SLMYRCB on October 26, 2016, 07:24:35 AM
Now it has a date already...
...and tickets are for sale
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: tavster on October 27, 2016, 03:51:58 AM
Air India's chairman says working an a new route to TLV

http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-air-india-to-launch-tel-aviv-flights-1001157652 (http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-air-india-to-launch-tel-aviv-flights-1001157652)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: efflpetzel on October 27, 2016, 12:28:30 PM
Elal will get Hammered by the new competition
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: SLMYRCB on October 27, 2016, 12:41:33 PM
Elal will get Hammered by the new competition
Or...
They'll have to live up to it.

What?! Crazy, I know. Ridiculous capitalism.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: high end hobo on October 28, 2016, 01:00:01 PM
Elal will get Hammered by the new competition
Good thing they're getting new 787s next year, I wonder what their J/F product will be
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: efflpetzel on October 28, 2016, 01:16:48 PM
Good thing they're getting new 787s next year, I wonder what their J/F product will be
I think we all know the answer to that question
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on November 08, 2016, 08:29:43 AM
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4868134,00.html
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Denverite on November 29, 2016, 11:34:24 PM
Air India's chairman says working an a new route to TLV

http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-air-india-to-launch-tel-aviv-flights-1001157652 (http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-air-india-to-launch-tel-aviv-flights-1001157652)

I have no desire to go to India but it could be a good Star Alliance option for connections.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: rileywiles23 on December 04, 2016, 10:13:35 AM
Highendhobo recently mentioned a NYC- TLV route that he discovered.
It was on a airline that isn't spoken about alot.
Can't seem to find the post. Anybody know where they might be.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on December 04, 2016, 10:20:36 AM
Highendhobo recently mentioned a NYC- TLV route that he discovered.
It was on a airline that isn't spoken about alot.
Can't seem to find the post. Anybody know where they might be.
Air Serbia.
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=67958.0
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: rileywiles23 on December 04, 2016, 10:27:07 AM
Air Serbia.
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=67958.0
Thanks. That's what I was looking for.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on December 23, 2016, 06:12:13 AM
http://corporate.ryanair.com/news/news/161223-ryanair-launches-low-fares-in-tel-aviv/?market=en

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RYANAIR LAUNCHES LOW FARES IN TEL AVIV
23 Dec 2016
DAILY FLIGHTS TO PAPHOS BEGIN IN MARCH

Ryanair, Europes favourite airline, today (23 Dec) announced its first Tel Aviv flights, with a new daily service to Paphos (Cyprus) starting next March*, which will deliver 100,000 customers p.a. at Ben Gurion Airport, Ryanairs 2nd Israeli destination.

From March, Ryanairs Tel Aviv schedule will deliver:

         1 new route to Paphos (daily)
         7 weekly flights
         100,000 customers p.a.

Ryanair celebrated its new Tel Aviv flights by releasing seats to Paphos for sale at prices starting from just 28.99 for travel in April and May, which are available for booking until midnight Monday (26 Dec).

Ryanairs Chief Commercial Officer, David OBrien said: 

Ryanair is pleased to announce that low fares have arrived in Tel Aviv, our 2nd Israeli airport, with a new daily route to Paphos commencing on 28th March*, which will help deliver 100,000 annual customers at Ben Gurion Airport. Our Paphos route will be ideal for both families and leisure customers.

Ryanair customers can look forward to even lower fares when they make advance bookings for summer 2017, so theres never been a better time to book a low fare flight on Ryanair and we urge all customers who wish to book their summer 2017 holidays to do so now on the Ryanair.com website.

To celebrate our new Tel Aviv route, we are releasing seats to Paphos for sale from just 28.99 for travel in April and May, which are available for booking until midnight Monday (26 Dec). Since these amazing low prices will be snapped up quickly, customers should log onto www.ryanair.com and avoid missing out.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: davidmal on December 23, 2016, 09:04:16 AM
http://corporate.ryanair.com/news/news/161223-ryanair-launches-low-fares-in-tel-aviv/?market=en

so cool wish I could take advantage of this.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: moe8555 on December 23, 2016, 10:44:13 AM
Perhaps this Paphos route could make for some interesting piecemeal fares to interesting destinations (combining 2 separate tickets).  Or positioning to save points by redeeming Europe-Europe instead of Middle East.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on December 24, 2016, 12:20:34 PM
so cool wish I could take advantage of this.
Why? One of the least exciting places known to man.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on December 24, 2016, 01:59:55 PM
Why? One of the least exciting places known to man.

To do a TR on RyanAir
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on December 24, 2016, 02:03:16 PM

To do a TR on RyanAir
I flew J with them. I'll do a. TR and settle it.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Z56 on December 24, 2016, 02:23:32 PM
I flew J with them. I'll do a. TR and settle it.

And how bad was it ?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on December 24, 2016, 02:26:21 PM
And how bad was it ?
Somewhere between the NYC subway and KE F.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: mmgfarb on December 24, 2016, 06:44:58 PM
I'll do a. TR
Yea right.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: high end hobo on December 24, 2016, 07:21:04 PM
I flew J with them. I'll do a. TR and settle it.
They dont have J
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on December 25, 2016, 01:54:03 AM
They dont have J
That's up for debate, but you can purchase a business class fare as I did.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: moe8555 on December 25, 2016, 02:32:17 AM
That's up for debate, but you can purchase a business class fare as I did.

The "business" seats are simply economy seats in the front with more leg room and priority boarding, right?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on December 25, 2016, 02:33:24 AM
The "business" seats are simply economy seats in the front with more leg room and priority boarding, right?
Pretty much.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: David Smith on December 25, 2016, 02:39:24 AM
The "business" seats are simply economy seats in the front with more leg room and priority boarding, right?
Sounds like short leg domestic J on most American and European flights.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shimino1 on December 25, 2016, 04:51:30 AM
I flew them from VDA to BUD.
Nothing much to say, they got me to where the ticket said they would.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: davidmal on December 25, 2016, 12:09:59 PM
I hate the term European Business class
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on December 25, 2016, 12:47:04 PM
I hate the term European Business class
What would you rather?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: B.D.Da'ehu on December 25, 2016, 12:49:17 PM
What would you rather?
Fake J
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: davidmal on December 25, 2016, 03:43:19 PM
What would you rather?
Pay for coach seat and get a empty seat
Next to me
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: mmgfarb on December 25, 2016, 03:56:27 PM
Pay for coach seat and get a empty seat
Next to me
A little too long worded don't you think?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on December 31, 2016, 06:47:53 PM
As of May 2017, Alitalia will introduce a new daily, year round, service on A320, enhancing the very popular Athens - Tel Aviv connection. In fact, Tel Aviv  is developing strongly surpassing already the total of 232,000 pax (+29% JAN-NOV16) while at the same time the operating airlines enjoy high load factors reaching an overall average of 81%.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: high end hobo on December 31, 2016, 06:55:49 PM
As of May 2017, Alitalia will introduce a new daily, year round, service on A320, enhancing the very popular Athens - Tel Aviv connection. In fact, Tel Aviv  is developing strongly surpassing already the total of 232,000 pax (+29% JAN-NOV16) while at the same time the operating airlines enjoy high load factors reaching an overall average of 81%.
So long story short AZ will start flying ATH-TLV? Or are they just reducing connection time?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: a mirrer on January 01, 2017, 05:54:39 AM
So long story short AZ will start flying ATH-TLV?
based on this (http://www.ilgiornale.it/news/economia/alitalia-rimanda-batosta-prevista-nuovo-piano-1347087.html) it seems like its going to be a 5th freedom flight
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: high end hobo on January 01, 2017, 10:26:16 AM
Yes AZ 823 is already bookable.
Fifth freedom between ATH and TLV

The direct flights from FCO to TLV on AZ are dropping from 5 times a day to 3
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on January 01, 2017, 10:36:39 AM
Yes AZ 823 is already bookable.
Fifth freedom between ATH and TLV

The direct flights from FCO to TLV on AZ are dropping from 5 times a day to 3
Not such great news for NYC-TLV passengers, as it eliminates some connections. I wish we could see some MXP-TLV flights that could connect to flights to/from NYC.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: plainbachur on January 01, 2017, 10:51:50 AM
Hows LY TLV-FCO?
can i get a bassinet for baby?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on January 01, 2017, 10:53:15 AM
Hows LY TLV-FCO?
can i get a bassinet for baby?
It's LY, which is on some people's Do Not Fly list.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: plainbachur on January 01, 2017, 11:00:14 AM
It's LY, which is on some people's Do Not Fly list.
AZ better for that route?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on January 01, 2017, 11:23:13 AM
Hows LY TLV-FCO?
can i get a bassinet for baby?
Do you need to have your nic updated?  ;)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chff on January 02, 2017, 07:32:38 AM
AZ better for that route?
AZ does not give a bassinet
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on January 02, 2017, 07:43:00 AM
AZ does not give a bassinet
On any route or specifically that one?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chff on January 02, 2017, 07:43:55 AM
On any route or specifically that one?
This one, and I guess on all short haul routes. Long haul I did get
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: zow on January 02, 2017, 02:13:55 PM
I know it's been discussed ad nauseum, but can I just ask again for advice (or point me to the thread) about flying J between NYC and TLV?

I have someone else paying a revenue ticket for me, but I would like to try to save them some money if possible.

Seems that consensus is that the DL JFK-TLV and TLV-JFK flights are the best, because of the hard product and because they are night flights.

I infer that the UA flights EWR-TLV and TLV-EWR are good but not quite as good as DL, with the night UA flights being better (for sleeping) than the day flights.

And everyone thinks that the LY flights are several notches below DL and UA.   Is that true universally, even for the LY 747 flights JFK-TLV and TLV-JFK?

(I'm in Boston, but even the nonstop BOS-TLV flights, both overnight, would be suboptimal because the J is angle-flat.)

Lastly, there's AC YYZ-TLV which is nice because it's on the 787, but those are daytime flights.

Opinions (or direction to other threads) welcome. Thanks!
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: efflpetzel on January 02, 2017, 04:21:14 PM
Why don't you consider TK J from Boston, they sometimes have a real J product ist-tlv
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: zow on January 02, 2017, 04:38:31 PM
Why don't you consider TK J from Boston, they sometimes have a real J product ist-tlv
Thanks. I did, but forgot to mention it.
In terms of sleep, the timing of the outbound is pretty good:
BOS-IST, 11PM-4PM, then 6:20PM-7:30PM into TLV.

But the timing on the return is not great, at least for me.
Leaving on Wednesday:
TLV-IST 10:30AM-2:00PM, then IST-BOS is 3:30PM-6:45PM, so not an overnight flight.

Leaving on Thursday would be even more problematic (again, at least for me):
TLV-IST 9PM-12:30AM (Friday Morning)
15Hour layover
IST-BOS 3:30PM-6:45PM (after Shabbat so won't work).

I guess if they had the same schedule on Thursday (i.e., a morning flight TLV-IST) I would consider it, but even so, it's not an overnight flight, which I think is a priority.

Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on January 02, 2017, 04:39:39 PM
I know it's been discussed ad nauseum, but can I just ask again for advice (or point me to the thread) about flying J between NYC and TLV?

I have someone else paying a revenue ticket for me, but I would like to try to save them some money if possible.

Seems that consensus is that the DL JFK-TLV and TLV-JFK flights are the best, because of the hard product and because they are night flights.

I infer that the UA flights EWR-TLV and TLV-EWR are good but not quite as good as DL, with the night UA flights being better (for sleeping) than the day flights.

And everyone thinks that the LY flights are several notches below DL and UA.   Is that true universally, even for the LY 747 flights JFK-TLV and TLV-JFK?

(I'm in Boston, but even the nonstop BOS-TLV flights, both overnight, would be suboptimal because the J is angle-flat.)

Lastly, there's AC YYZ-TLV which is nice because it's on the 787, but those are daytime flights.

Opinions (or direction to other threads) welcome. Thanks!
I personally prefer the AC or UA afternoon flight TO TLV, as those arrive in the AM.

DL and UA fares ex BOS are usually lower than ex NYC.

If price wouldn't be a concern I would fly outbound on UA or AC and return on DL.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: zow on January 02, 2017, 04:47:41 PM
I personally prefer the AC or UA afternoon flight TO TLV, as those arrive in the AM.

DL and UA fares ex BOS are usually lower than ex NYC.

If price wouldn't be a concern I would fly outbound on UA or AC and return on DL.

-->>Do you sleep flying to TLV? Isn't it too early to fall asleep, and then you arrive in TLV when your body thinks it's middle of the night?

I'm not seeing lower DL and UA fares ex BOS, except for those that connect through Europe. I'm looking on Google Flights.
-->>Maybe I should look elsewhere?

The DL and UA nighttime return flights seem to be the ones that jack up the prices.  I'm not paying but hate to stick it to the people who are.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on January 02, 2017, 04:56:18 PM
-->>Do you sleep flying to TLV? Isn't it too early to fall asleep, and then you arrive in TLV when your body thinks it's middle of the night?
Which is why I say that on the outbound UA afternoon or AC are best. You go to sleep a few hours into the flight (never travel without Ambien) and get there in the morning for a full day. Alternatively take a connection for the outbound, a day will be killed no matter what you do, so the connection isn't that bad.

Quote
The DL and UA nighttime return flights seem to be the ones that jack up the prices.  I'm not paying but hate to stick it to the people who are.
That is indeed the case. The night flight out of TLV commands a premium (for a legitimate reason). I usually use momondo.com and look at individual flights rather than complete tickets in order to find what I want.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: zow on January 02, 2017, 05:03:14 PM
Which is why I say that on the outbound UA afternoon or AC are best. You go to sleep a few hours into the flight (never travel without Ambien) and get there in the morning for a full day.

+1000


That is indeed the case. The night flight out of TLV commands a premium (for a legitimate reason). I usually use momondo.com and look at individual flights rather than complete tickets in order to find what I want.

Ok, I've never gotten the hang of momondo but I'll go back to it!  Thanks for the advice.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Denverite on January 03, 2017, 09:58:41 PM
Ok, I've never gotten the hang of momondo but I'll go back to it!  Thanks for the advice.

Love to hear what you end up with and the final cost also ;)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: zow on January 03, 2017, 10:48:33 PM
Love to hear what you end up with and the final cost also ;)
Thanks. Below is what I told my host. I'm waiting for his reply.
1. First choice is Outbound AC and Return on DL nocturnally.
2. Second choice is AC both directions.
3. Third choice is El Al (they seem to find that more palatable) but only on LY8 JFK-TLV and then returning LY15 TLV-BOS (as I don't care so much if I'm coherent after I return home for Shabbos :)).

I'll let you know how it shakes out....
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on January 04, 2017, 12:17:20 AM
Thanks. Below is what I told my host. I'm waiting for his reply.
1. First choice is Outbound AC and Return on DL nocturnally.
2. Second choice is AC both directions.
3. Third choice is El Al (they seem to find that more palatable) but only on LY8 JFK-TLV and then returning LY15 TLV-BOS (as I don't care so much if I'm coherent after I return home for Shabbos :)).

I'll let you know how it shakes out....
Option 1 is basically 2 one way tickets. Probably cost prohibitive. Might be more palatable if you'd do AC/UA or UA both ways.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: zow on January 04, 2017, 02:17:33 PM
Option 1 is basically 2 one way tickets. Probably cost prohibitive. Might be more palatable if you'd do AC/UA or UA both ways.
Do you think UA both ways would be better (for me) than AC both ways? I guess if I got the nocturnal UA ex-TLV it would be. How much better are the AC hard and soft product compared with UA?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Dan on January 04, 2017, 02:23:36 PM
Do you think UA both ways would be better (for me) than AC both ways? I guess if I got the nocturnal UA ex-TLV it would be. How much better are the AC hard and soft product compared with UA?
Traveling by yourself?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: zow on January 04, 2017, 03:49:01 PM
Traveling by yourself?
Unfortunately yes.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: gurtyb on January 04, 2017, 03:57:03 PM
Looking for some guidance here.. When i search for RT flights from NYC-TLV for sukkot 2017, BA flights with a stop in LHR cost around $1,400.  If i manufacture my own connection by booking NYC-LHR and LHR-TLV RTs separately (with all flights on BA metal), the cost is like $400 less.  Am i missing something here? Any reason not to do this?

Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chinagel on January 04, 2017, 03:59:32 PM
Looking for some guidance here.. When i search for RT flights from NYC-TLV for sukkot 2017, BA flights with a stop in LHR cost around $1,400.  If i manufacture my own connection by booking NYC-LHR and LHR-TLV RTs separately, the cost is like $400 less.  Am i missing something here? Any reason not to do this?
if your flight gets delayed the airline isnt responsible for the 2nd leg
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: gurtyb on January 04, 2017, 04:05:19 PM
if your flight gets delayed the airline isnt responsible for the 2nd leg

Even if all the flights are on BA metal?  They won't take responsibility for the delay if they cause a missed flight on their own airline??
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Dan on January 04, 2017, 04:10:38 PM
Unfortunately yes.
I'd def go AC in that case.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: zow on January 04, 2017, 04:37:47 PM
I'd def go AC in that case.
Very Helpful. Thanks. Is that because of the hard product? The seating is great on AC but so private that couples can't talk?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Dan on January 04, 2017, 04:38:55 PM
Very Helpful. Thanks. Is that because of the hard product? The seating is great on AC but so private that couples can't talk?
UA is good for couples, but flying solo I'd go with the extra privacy.
Also, fewer ATC delays flying via YYZ than NYC.

Though I do like flying via EWR for New Kosher Special :)
But it's tough to spend $40 solo there.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: zow on January 04, 2017, 04:42:43 PM
UA is good for couples, but flying solo I'd go with the extra privacy.
Also, fewer ATC delays flying via YYZ than NYC.

Though I do like flying via EWR for New Kosher Special :)
But it's tough to spend $40 solo there.
Thanks again.
I haven't tried New Kosher Special. How could it beat Taam China?!
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on January 04, 2017, 05:58:49 PM
I'd def go AC in that case.
I fly nowhere near the amount of flying that Dan does, but I value the ability to have a nocturnal flight over some added privacy on AC. If you get the Window seat, or you book a seat in the middle section, you should be able to sleep through uninterrupted.

And though I haven't done many connection via either EWR or YYZ, I personally dislike YYZ for the walking distances.

Just my unprofessional 2 cents point of view and opinion.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: zow on January 04, 2017, 08:37:30 PM
I fly nowhere near the amount of flying that Dan does, but I value the ability to have a nocturnal flight over some added privacy on AC. If you get the Window seat, or you book a seat in the middle section, you should be able to sleep through uninterrupted.

And though I haven't done many connection via either EWR or YYZ, I personally dislike YYZ for the walking distances.

Just my unprofessional 2 cents point of view and opinion.
Thanks.
I recognize that rational people may disagree  on something like this, because personal preferences, not just objective data, are involved. 
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: travel agent on January 07, 2017, 02:25:56 PM
Canadian carrier airtransat in summer 2017 season is extending its network to the Middle East, where the airline plans to commence Montreal Tel Aviv service. From 18JUN17 to 29OCT17, the airlines A330-200 aircraft will serve this route twice a week. Reservation opened on the airlines website yesterday (06JAN17).

TS172 YUL1400 0800+1TLV 332 7
TS272 YUL1400 0800+1TLV 332 3

TS173 TLV1000 1540YUL 332 1
TS273 TLV1000 1540YUL 332 4
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on January 07, 2017, 06:53:25 PM
For some reason, it only seems to be pricing YUL - TLV. Originating in TLV it only prices as Y class (full fare) for $3050.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on February 04, 2017, 02:28:02 PM
Any better source on Arkia flying to NY?

From: http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-record-air-passenger-traffic-in-2016-1001173702 last paragraph
"Arkia Airlines Ltd. and Israir Airlines and Tourism Ltd. also improved their result, posting a 30% rise in activity: 650,000 passengers on Arkia and 550,000 on Israir. Both companies are expanding their destination maps, with Arkia also planning to fly to New York and Thailand."

Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Z56 on February 14, 2017, 08:18:15 AM
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-air-canada-to-launch-tel-aviv-montreal-route-1001176945
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on February 14, 2017, 08:26:04 AM
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-air-canada-to-launch-tel-aviv-montreal-route-1001176945

http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/106797
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: travel agent on February 16, 2017, 07:05:12 AM
wizzair is starting LTN - TLV 4 times weekly, from June
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shimino1 on February 16, 2017, 08:58:34 AM
wizzair is starting LTN - TLV 4 times weekly, from June
That's big news!
I find Wizz to be the cheapest of the low-cost carriers besides for maybe Rayanair
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on February 16, 2017, 09:31:17 AM
That's big news!
I find Wizz to be the cheapest of the low-cost carriers besides for maybe Rayanair
And with frequest sales and BOGO
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: moe8555 on February 16, 2017, 09:33:04 AM
I don't know... it says roundtrips start at $170, which doesn't include food, luggage, or a seat that reclines.

I've seen El Al flights via their new auctions for $360 or so -- which includes luggage, a meal, a seat that reclines, and more legroom.  And as a Fly Card Premium holder, I could also get a free upgrade to Economy Plus or a preferred/exit seat with even more legroom.

Don't know what the situation is with British, but I'd imagine that prices are similar to El Al.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shimino1 on February 16, 2017, 09:55:02 AM
I don't know... it says roundtrips start at $170, which doesn't include food, luggage, or a seat that reclines.

I've seen El Al flights via their new auctions for $360 or so -- which includes luggage, a meal, a seat that reclines, and more legroom.  And as a Fly Card Premium holder, I could also get a free upgrade to Economy Plus or a preferred/exit seat with even more legroom.

Don't know what the situation is with British, but I'd imagine that prices are similar to El Al.
Other flights on Wizz sell for a lot less then their "starting prices".
Suitcase prices on other routes are 12-35$ per way which is very reasonable.
Try finding flights on Elal for less than 500$ anytime outside Dec-Mar.
I don't think Elal gives more legroom.

All said and told, I rather save $150-300 per ticket, fly on a brand new plane instead of a 20 year old plane and if that means picking up a Schwarma on the way to the airport, so be it!
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: moe8555 on February 16, 2017, 10:03:15 AM
Other flights on Wizz sell for a lot less then their "starting prices".
Suitcase prices on other routes are 12-35$ per way which is very reasonable.
Try finding flights on Elal for less than 500$ anytime outside Dec-Mar.
I don't think Elal gives more legroom.

All said and told, I rather save $150-300 per ticket, fly on a brand new plane instead of a 20 year old plane and if that means picking up a Schwarma on the way to the airport, so be it!

El Al gives 32" of room I believe (for regular economy).  Doesn't Wizz provide 29-30"?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on February 16, 2017, 12:49:11 PM
El Al gives 32" of room I believe (for regular economy).  Doesn't Wizz provide 29-30"?
As always, it comes down to a question of what a potentially lesser comfort is worth, and the answer for this is different for each person.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on February 16, 2017, 01:04:59 PM
As always, it comes down to a question of what a potentially lesser comfort is worth, and the answer for this is different for each person.
100% correct! There is a market for different styles and preferences.

In the US many people fly Spirit regularly, while many others would rather pay more and fly with an airline.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: moe8555 on February 16, 2017, 02:50:18 PM
True indeed.  Personally, the fact that I only fly about twice a year drives my desire to maximize comfort and make the most of the trip.  I don't mind paying more (within reason) for added comfort and benefits, as is my situation with El Al and UP due to being eligible for free Y+/exit seats from the Fly Card Premium.

If the total cost of flight+luggage+seat with extra legroom+suitable departure time/date was significantly less on a low cost I would definitely consider it.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shimino1 on February 16, 2017, 09:08:12 PM
True indeed.  Personally, the fact that I only fly about twice a year drives my desire to maximize comfort and make the most of the trip.  I don't mind paying more (within reason) for added comfort and benefits, as is my situation with El Al and UP due to being eligible for free Y+/exit seats from the Fly Card Premium.

If the total cost of flight+luggage+seat with extra legroom+suitable departure time/date was significantly less on a low cost I would definitely consider it.
It very often is. I have flown Wizz 8-12 in the last 2 years and I think the overall experience is better than Elal. Better flight times, Newer planes, friendlier crew, great on-time performance, all for a much lower price even after you pay for a suitcase, extra leg room and a Hello Teiman Schwarma.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on February 16, 2017, 10:21:57 PM
It very often is. I have flown Wizz 8-12 in the last 2 years and I think the overall experience is better than Elal. Better flight times, Newer planes, friendlier crew, great on-time performance, all for a much lower price even after you pay for a suitcase, extra leg room and a Hello Teiman Schwarma.
I've never flown Wizz (or for that matter any other "low cost" airline, and while I have flown Spirit, I refuse to refer to them as an airline), but I don't think it should be too difficult to provide a better experience than ELAL. There's a reason I refuse to fly with them.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: moe8555 on February 16, 2017, 11:49:43 PM
I've never flown Wizz (or for that matter any other "low cost" airline, and while I have flown Spirit, I refuse to refer to them as an airline), but I don't think it should be too difficult to provide a better experience than ELAL. There's a reason I refuse to fly with them.

I know I'm definitely the exception here, but i've literally had nothing but positive experiences with El Al.  I know it's probably only a matter of time until the statistics catch up with me.  But really, I've never had a late or cancelled flight (even my trip to Vienna a few days ago in the midst the labor dispute was unaffected).  Service has always been personal and positive.  When flying with my children, the staff always had a little "play time" with them in the rear galley.  My business class experience was extremely positive, with very personal and dedicated service including lots of "rosh gadol" and preemptive action.

In fact, the only airlines on which I've ever experienced delays and even cancelled flights have been US-based airlines.

Again, I'm not living in la-la land and realize that my number will probably come up at some point.  But until then, El Al hasn't given me a reason to not fly!
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on February 17, 2017, 12:36:14 AM
I know I'm definitely the exception here, but i've literally had nothing but positive experiences with El Al.  I know it's probably only a matter of time until the statistics catch up with me.  But really, I've never had a late or cancelled flight (even my trip to Vienna a few days ago in the midst the labor dispute was unaffected).  Service has always been personal and positive.  When flying with my children, the staff always had a little "play time" with them in the rear galley.  My business class experience was extremely positive, with very personal and dedicated service including lots of "rosh gadol" and preemptive action.

In fact, the only airlines on which I've ever experienced delays and even cancelled flights have been US-based airlines.

Again, I'm not living in la-la land and realize that my number will probably come up at some point.  But until then, El Al hasn't given me a reason to not fly!
I know of others like you.

It might be attributable to where you live, and your expectations from what should be a service industry.

I've had one very negative experience quite a few years ago, and just didn't give them another chance. I just can't get myself to believe that the Israeli mentality will allow them to understand how to run a business in a service industry.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on February 17, 2017, 12:47:31 AM
I've been blessed to fly both biz class on LY and other airlines, along with LY's longest flight (LAX) in economy, and various LCCs.
I found LY's soft product to be acceptable in relation to other airlines, but their entertainment system in J was pathetic.
And as a traveler with kids, I like the fact that the flights are half children, as it lowers my worries going into it. Sitting in TK/CX/UA J with children caused me worries b/f the flight, while LY's J cabin had a bunch of kids in it.




Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on February 17, 2017, 12:53:45 AM
I've been blessed to fly both biz class on LY and other airlines, along with LY's longest flight (LAX) in economy, and various LCCs.
I found LY's soft product to be acceptable in relation to other airlines, but their entertainment system in J was pathetic.
And as a traveler with kids, I like the fact that the flights are half children, as it lowers my worries going into it. Sitting in TK/CX/UA J with children caused me worries b/f the flight, while LY's J cabin had a bunch of kids in it.
I've had excellent experience with an infant (just under 2) in J on both DL and SU.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: moe8555 on February 17, 2017, 12:55:47 AM
I've been blessed to fly both biz class on LY and other airlines, along with LY's longest flight (LAX) in economy, and various LCCs.
I found LY's soft product to be acceptable in relation to other airlines, but their entertainment system in J was pathetic.
And as a traveler with kids, I like the fact that the flights are half children, as it lowers my worries going into it. Sitting in TK/CX/UA J with children caused me worries b/f the flight, while LY's J cabin had a bunch of kids in it.

I should have mentioned that my J on El Al was to Europe.  I've never taken them J long haul and am well aware that their product is highly obsolete.

But for J to Europe, ironically they're one of the best, if not the best on most lines.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: moe8555 on February 17, 2017, 01:01:19 AM
I know of others like you.

It might be attributable to where you live, and your expectations from what should be a service industry.

I'm from the US originally so believe me, I know what to expect  :)

I've had very negative experiences with US carriers, both short and long haul.  Last time I flew Delta to Israel, the flight attendant spilled food and beverage on me *3* times throughout the flight, only apologizing once.  I was not proactively offered any compensation, and my requests were denied.  Haven't flown them since, going on a good 8 years now.

I've had flights cancelled on what was then US Airways with little notice, no offer to reroute, no lodging provided.  Also delays.  Again, have not flown them after the third time or so that things like that happened.

Maybe the US is just angry with me for leaving  ::)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: thaber on February 17, 2017, 02:35:00 AM


Maybe the US is just angry with me for leaving  ::)
or discouraging you from coming back.... :P
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on February 17, 2017, 02:40:53 AM
I know of others like you.


Like me. I have had nothing but positive experiences. I have had plenty of subpar experiences on other carriers.While people will let a bad experience on DL pass, they wont let one on LY go by without a screaming fight. its almost like people live with the mentality that we need to ensure that LY provides only the worst.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: high end hobo on February 19, 2017, 06:51:44 PM
Air Europa is upgrading TLV to a 787 starting in July.

once they finish adding 787s to NYC you have a new option to TLV in fully lie flat that has good availability (albeit with YQ)
http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4921866,00.html
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on February 19, 2017, 06:53:45 PM
Air Europa is upgrading TLV to a 787 starting in July.

once they finish adding 787s to NYC you have a new option to TLV in fully lie flat that has good availability (albeit with YQ)
http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4921866,00.html
No good connection to flights to/from NYC (didn't check other US gateways).

This is being targeted as a connection to Latin America.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shimino1 on February 19, 2017, 07:35:12 PM
You can spend a day in spain as part of your flight and then it is a good option
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on February 19, 2017, 07:58:45 PM
You can spend a day in spain as part of your flight and then it is a good option
If that is what you want.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: travel agent on February 22, 2017, 12:02:13 PM
new flights from TLV to Poland, starting at less than $150 for round trip, without bags.

LOT will introduce seasonal flights between Tel Aviv-Ben Gurion and Gdańsk, Wrocław, Poznań and Lublin. All flights expected to be on the 737-800s.

TLV-GDN/GDN-TLV once weekly (Saturdays)
TLV-WRO/WRO-TLV twice weekly (Tuesdays, Fridays)
POZ-TLV/TLV-POZ once weekly (Wednesdays)
LUZ-TLV/TLV-LUZ twice weekly (Mondays, Thursdays)

The WAW-TLV/TLV-WAW service is to be extended to 13 flights per week
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on February 22, 2017, 01:05:05 PM
new flights from TLV to Poland, starting at less than $150 for round trip, without bags.

LOT will introduce seasonal flights between Tel Aviv-Ben Gurion and Gdańsk, Wrocław, Poznań and Lublin. All flights expected to be on the 737-800s.
...
The WAW-TLV/TLV-WAW service is to be extended to 13 flights per week

What's the schedule for WAW-TLV/TLV-WAW? Will be get better connections to JFK or YYZ?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: travel agent on February 22, 2017, 01:17:47 PM
around noon from TLV - WAW
around 15:30 WAW - TLV

so much better connection now to / from JFK & YYZ

all the new destinations are around 21:00 from TLV & following early morning returns to TLV, so the aircraft is originating from TLV & return
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on February 22, 2017, 01:32:45 PM
around noon from TLV - WAW
around 15:30 WAW - TLV

so much better connection now to / from JFK & YYZ

all the new destinations are around 21:00 from TLV & following early morning returns to TLV, so the aircraft is originating from TLV & return
If only wouldn't be Fake J on that route, it would be a good option.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Dan on February 22, 2017, 01:39:43 PM
around noon from TLV - WAW
around 15:30 WAW - TLV

so much better connection now to / from JFK & YYZ

all the new destinations are around 21:00 from TLV & following early morning returns to TLV, so the aircraft is originating from TLV & return
Eff 6/18/17.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chff on February 22, 2017, 01:42:16 PM
around noon from TLV - WAW
around 15:30 WAW - TLV

so much better connection now to / from JFK & YYZ

all the new destinations are around 21:00 from TLV & following early morning returns to TLV, so the aircraft is originating from TLV & return



Eff 6/18/17.

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AN15AUGNYCTLV/ALO*28AUG                                                         
** AMADEUS AVAILABILITY - AN ** TLV TEL AVIV YAFO.IL         174 TU 15AUG 0000 
 1   LO 016  C9 D9 Z8 P8 A8 R7 J2 /EWR B WAW   1015P   1240P+1E0/788           
             Y9 B9 M9 E9 H9 K9 Q9 G9 T9 S9 V9 W9 L5 U2                         
     LO 155  C9 D9 Z8 P8 A8 R7 J2 /WAW   TLV 3  340P+1  830P+1E0/734      15:15
             Y9 B9 M9 E9 H9 K9 Q9 G9 T9 S9 V9 W9 L5 U2                         
 2   LO 027  C9 D9 Z8 P8 A8 R6 J2 /JFK 7 WAW   1000P   1230P+1E0/788           
             Y9 B9 M9 E9 H9 K9 Q9 G9 T9 S9 V9 W9 L5                             
     LO 155  C9 D9 Z8 P8 A8 R6 J2 /WAW   TLV 3  340P+1  830P+1E0/734      15:30
             Y9 B9 M9 E9 H9 K9 Q9 G9 T9 S9 V9 W9 L5                             
                                                                               
                                                                               
** AMADEUS AVAILABILITY - AN ** NYC NEW YORK.USNY            187 MO 28AUG 0000
11   LO 156  C9 D9 Z7 P9 A9 R7 J2 /TLV 3 WAW   1145A    245P  E0/738           
             Y9 B9 M9 E9 H9 K9 Q9 G9 T4 S2 V2 W2 L2                             
     LO 026  C9 D9 Z7 P9 A9 R7 J2 /WAW   JFK 7  500P    815P  E0/788      15:30
             Y9 B9 M9 E9 H9 K9 Q9 G9 T4 S2 V2 W2 L2                             

Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chff on February 23, 2017, 10:06:40 AM
PR

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LOT'S NEW CONNECTIONS BETWEEN POLAND AND SUNNY ISRAEL
LOT
 
Warsaw, 21 February  2017 LOT launches 5 routes from Polish airports to Tel Aviv, Israels largest city. New connections from Lublin, Gdańsk, Poznań, Wrocław and additional flights from Warsaw will be offered as early as in June of this year, enabling passengers to comfortably reach one of the most popular holiday destinations in the Mediterranean.
 
Flights to Tel Aviv will depart from Lublin on Mondays and Thursdays, on Tuesdays and Fridays from Wrocław, every Sunday from Gdańsk and every Wednesday from Poznań. Furthermore, LOT will nearly double the number of connections between Warsaw and Tel Aviv, adding a new day-time rotation on Mondays, Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays and Sundays. Since July most flights will be operated by modern Boeing 737-800 NG aircraft that are scheduled to join LOTs fleet in a few months time. The new connections are offered to meet Israels growing popularity among Polish tourists.

Israel has always been attracting Poles, especially those seeking a unique cultural or religious experience. Its popularity among those looking for relaxation on the coast of the Mediterranean Sea is growing as well. Thanks to the new 737-family aircraft, we will be able to satisfy that increasing demand, offering connections to the very heart of Israel from as many as 5 cities throughout Poland. We are convinced that our proposal will be met with a wide interest of Polish tourists who have not been able to take advantage of so many alternatives so far says Adrian Kubicki, Director of LOTs Corporate Communications.

Israel already ranks as one of the most popular tourist destinations in Poland, and its ratings are expected to continue to improve. Israel owes this position to great diversity, well-developed infrastructure, and weather that encourages sightseeing and relaxation all year round. Tel Aviv Ben Gurion airport is located right next to the countrys main attractions. It is situated in the direct vicinity of the teeming city of Tel Aviv, the historic marvels of Jerusalem, and serves as a gateway for those willing to travel to the Dead Sea, the Mediterranean Sea and the Red Sea.

New connections to Israel mark the return of LOTs international flights served by Polands regional airports. So far, the Polish carrier was only offering a rotation between Krakw and Chicago. In its new strategy, LOT has been planning to take advantage of the potential offered by selected regional airports, and to meet the needs of passengers based on the availability of aircraft with the required range and the sufficient number of seats.

This year, our fleet will be expanded by 4 Boeing 737-800 NG planes, as well as 2 brand new Boeing 737 MAX 8 aircraft that are capable of carrying over 180 passengers per flight. This will finally enable us to attempt to win the hearts of those travelers who have so far been forced to take advantage of charter flights, or connections offered by the so-called low-cost airlines. While on board of any LOT aircraft, passengers are offered the choice of 3 travel classes business, premium economy and economy. A wide range of additional products and services is provided too. From now on, the same level of service will be available to passengers traveling from regional airports as well says Adrian Kubicki, noting that LOT will also continue to increase the number of connections between Israel and its Warsaw hub.

We also have some good news for those traveling on business, or those living in different cities that offer no direct connection. Starting from June, we will be flying from Warsaw to Israel twice a day! Additional flights between Warsaw and Tel Aviv will allow us to shorten the connection time to an absolute minimum, thus providing our passengers with an even greater level of flexibility. This applies not only to flights to and from Europe, but North America and Asia as well adds Adrian Kubicki.

The airlines timetable offers comfortable connections and a short overall travel time to passengers flying from Israel and using the Warsaw hub to reach New York , Newark, Chicago, Toronto or Los Angeles. The layover time on selected long-haul flights will be shortened to less than an hour.

Expansion of the  network is one of the elements of LOTs profitable growth strategy that the airline has been implementing since the beginning of 2016. Ever since the Polish carrier has launched flights to nearly 30 destinations, including two long-haul connections to Tokyo and Seoul. LOT is also set to considerably expand its presence on the US market this year. New routes connecting Warsaw with Newark and Los Angeles will be launched in April. Combined with the connection between Krakw and Chicago, LOT will be operating the total of 6 routes to North America in 2017. Thanks to the new flights to Tel Aviv, LOT will be serving as many as 19 weekly connections between Poland and Israel.

Tickets for the new flights are already available via all of LOTs sales channels, including the lot.com website, LOT Travel and LOT Contact Center offices, as well as travel agents.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Z56 on February 23, 2017, 05:12:19 PM
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-el-al-qantas-eye-code-sharing-agreement-1001178428
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: high end hobo on February 23, 2017, 10:27:51 PM
Its a shame LO isnt flying KRK-TLV
That way you could go ORD-KRK-TLV.
You can do it on LO and LY though
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chff on February 23, 2017, 11:06:05 PM
Its a shame LO isnt flying KRK-TLV
That way you could go ORD-KRK-TLV.
You can do it on LO and LY though

LO & LY sometimes price together. But I only saw LY TLV-KRK as WET LEASE ON BEHALF OF SUN DOR     
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: high end hobo on February 26, 2017, 10:25:33 PM
LO & LY sometimes price together. But I only saw LY TLV-KRK as WET LEASE ON BEHALF OF SUN DOR   
They usually do.
I also only saw that, does it make a difference really?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shimino1 on February 27, 2017, 03:16:19 AM
They usually do.
I also only saw that, does it make a difference really?
I don't think Sun dor prices with LO,only LY.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: high end hobo on February 27, 2017, 10:23:19 PM
I don't think Sun dor prices with LO,only LY.
Its wet leased by LY so it prices with LO (still haven't seen any good prices though)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shimino1 on February 28, 2017, 04:42:00 AM
Its wet leased by LY so it prices with LO (still haven't seen any good prices though)
Good to know. Thanks.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Z56 on February 28, 2017, 12:45:23 PM

Hainan adds 5th weekly Tel Aviv - Beijing flight

Globes article  (http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-hainan-airlines-adds-5th-weekly-flight-1001178874)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on February 28, 2017, 12:46:41 PM
Hainan adds 5th weekly Tel Aviv - Beijing flight

Globes article  (http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-hainan-airlines-adds-5th-weekly-flight-1001178874)
That flight seems to be of no interest to most people on this forum.

"The flight will take off from Beijing on Saturday at 1:55 AM and land at Ben Gurion Airport at 7:45 AM the same day. On the same day, a flight will take off from Ben Gurion Airport at 2:40 PM"
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Z56 on February 28, 2017, 12:49:04 PM
True
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: SLMYRCB on February 28, 2017, 05:26:27 PM
That flight seems to be of no interest to most people on this forum.

"The flight will take off from Beijing on Saturday at 1:55 AM and land at Ben Gurion Airport at 7:45 AM the same day. On the same day, a flight will take off from Ben Gurion Airport at 2:40 PM"

True
It can still reduce prices (and open availability) on flights that are relevant to most people on this forum.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: SLMYRCB on February 28, 2017, 05:29:08 PM
Is the BA premium economy on this route the old or the new?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on February 28, 2017, 07:09:23 PM
It can still reduce prices (and open availability) on flights that are relevant to most people on this forum.
So should we hope, fantasize, or encourage some kind of activity, in order to make those relevant issues happen?

Will other yidden be mechalel Shabbos for any of the possible benefits to occur for shomrei Shabbos?

IMHO the only reason to care about these flights is if it bothers us more that yidden are mechalel Shabbos, and we can do anything to counter that (by increasing our own shmiras Shabbos, or by trying to educate others and help increase shmiras Shabbos).
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: SLMYRCB on February 28, 2017, 08:00:40 PM


So should we hope, fantasize, or encourage some kind of activity, in order to make those relevant issues happen?

Will other yidden be mechalel Shabbos for any of the possible benefits to occur for shomrei Shabbos?

IMHO the only reason to care about these flights is if it bothers us more that yidden are mechalel Shabbos, and we can do anything to counter that (by increasing our own shmiras Shabbos, or by trying to educate others and help increase shmiras Shabbos).


It may be very late wherever you are.
I do not assume that more Yidden will be mechalel just because there's a flight to PEK.

Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on February 28, 2017, 08:23:54 PM


It may be very late wherever you are.
I do not assume that more Yidden will be mechalel just because there's a flight to PEK.

So you are assuming that all the employees working on this additional flight at TLV are non Jewish?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Luvtotravel on February 28, 2017, 08:25:48 PM
What would be my cheapest one way points option to nyc non stop?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on February 28, 2017, 08:28:50 PM
What would be my cheapest one way points option to nyc non stop?
Find availability on one of the airlines that fly the route non-stop, and then figure it out.

My guess is that your best bet might be ELAL Matmid, unless you have a way to get UA saver  availability.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Luvtotravel on February 28, 2017, 08:34:38 PM
Find availability on one of the airlines that fly the route non-stop, and then figure it out.

My guess is that your best bet might be ELAL Matmid, unless you have a way to get UA saver  availability.
there is saver availability I just thought there might be something cheaper than 42.5k ow
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on February 28, 2017, 08:42:21 PM
there is saver availability I just thought there might be something cheaper than 42.5k ow
IINM AC is 40k.
Aegean might be even less.
ANA with RT workaround(?)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Z56 on March 01, 2017, 04:10:26 AM
there is saver availability I just thought there might be something cheaper than 42.5k ow

SQ might be even cheaper at 37.5k
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: rollingstone on March 01, 2017, 04:12:51 AM
SQ might be even cheaper at 37.5k
Aegean is 30k
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: mend89 on March 02, 2017, 02:30:26 PM
TUS Airways launched new Haifa - Athens route.
Flights from 49 HFA-ATH and 79 ATH-HAF
Flaying Sunday and Thursday

http://tusairways.com/

They currently fly Haifa to Larnaca-LCA
(and Paphos-PFO and will add Kos-KGS and Rhodes-RHO for summer)

http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-tus-to-launch-haifa-athens-flights-1001173932
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: SLMYRCB on March 06, 2017, 02:13:04 PM
Is the BA premium economy on this route the old or the new?
ETA: it's the new
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on March 06, 2017, 02:26:51 PM
ETA: it's the new
Haven't been on BA in ages. What's the difference between the old Premium economy and the new?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: SLMYRCB on March 06, 2017, 03:05:33 PM
Haven't been on BA in ages. What's the difference between the old Premium economy and the new?
Recline angle and screen size I think.
You can search for old reviews and new ones.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: travel agent on March 08, 2017, 08:44:11 AM
Ryan air is now open for bookings for all the flights from TLV, between $40 - $70 one way. 
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Z56 on March 09, 2017, 04:35:35 AM
British Airways adds 5 weekly flights on TA-London route


http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-british-airways-adds-5-weekly-flights-on-ta-london-route-1001180045
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on March 09, 2017, 08:33:50 AM
British Airways adds 5 weekly flights on TA-London route


http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-british-airways-adds-5-weekly-flights-on-ta-london-route-1001180045
Love the only comment to this article showing online currently, from a Sid Levine. We need someone else to chime in with a comment complaining about the outrageous YQ!
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on March 19, 2017, 08:28:19 PM
https://www.touristisrael.com/hainan-airlines-launch-direct-flights-shanghai-tel-aviv-2017/20188/

Quote
Hainan Airlines are expected to launch direct flights from Shanghai to Tel Aviv in late 2017. Hainan, who just last year launched flights from Beijing to Tel Aviv three times a week, later increasing this frequency to four times a week, are a five-star airline. The launch of the new Shanghai to Tel Aviv route comes after growing demand for flights to Israel from Chinese tourists and growing bilateral business relations. The exact details are still to be confirmed, however, Hainan are expected to launch four flights a week from Shanghai to Tel Aviv, beginning on June 1, 2017.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: gswannabe on March 19, 2017, 08:41:28 PM
Not sure if this is the right thread but I'm flying to TLV from EWR (May 10th) for lag beomer and just noticed that the outbound flight has the new Polaris product!
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on March 19, 2017, 08:44:11 PM
Not sure if this is the right thread but I'm flying to TLV from EWR (May 10th) for lag beomer and just noticed that the outbound flight has the new Polaris product!

Yup, discussed more here.

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=72125.msg1678109#msg1678109
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=74084.0
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: travel agent on March 28, 2017, 01:02:26 PM
W6 is adding KSC & LUZ twice weekly
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Joe4007 on March 28, 2017, 01:47:19 PM
W6 is adding SKC KSC & LUZ twice weekly
FTFY.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Z56 on April 16, 2017, 07:17:19 PM
New route


http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-air-malta-to-launch-tel-aviv-route-1001184993
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: high end hobo on April 30, 2017, 02:35:30 PM
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=76857.0

New route VDA-ARN

ETA: its only on shabbos and begins 10/28
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: AsherO on April 30, 2017, 03:14:05 PM
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=76857.0

New route VDA-ARN

ETA: its only on shabbos and begins 10/28

Intentionally?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: high end hobo on April 30, 2017, 09:21:25 PM
Intentionally?

Lol I'm not sure what you mean by that question. When an airline sets its schedules, they put a lot of thought into them.

http://www.sasgroup.net/en/sas-introduces-new-route-to-eilat/
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: zow on May 03, 2017, 07:36:57 PM
My LOR just asked me if I had heard about the new Icelandair (or Icelandic , as in maybe WOW?) $500 fares US to TLV, but I can't find anything like that online. Anyone?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Denverite on May 03, 2017, 09:18:39 PM
My LOR just asked me if I had heard about the new Icelandair (or Icelandic , as in maybe WOW?) $500 fares US to TLV, but I can't find anything like that online. Anyone?

Yup Wow air is starting this summer!
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: zow on May 03, 2017, 09:27:44 PM
Yup Wow air is starting this summer!
Right.  But not yet bookable?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Denverite on May 03, 2017, 10:52:30 PM
Right.  But not yet bookable?

I checked right after Pesach and didn't see it available but haven't checked again.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: zow on May 03, 2017, 11:23:12 PM
I checked right after Pesach and didn't see it available but haven't checked again.
I checked today.  TLV not listed as a destination.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Denverite on May 04, 2017, 09:36:11 AM
I checked today.  TLV not listed as a destination.

It should definitely be coming. Everyone was talking about when I was in Israel for Pesach.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Z56 on June 12, 2017, 09:22:16 PM
Lufthansa adds more flights to TLV (http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-lufthansa-adds-five-weekly-tel-aviv-flights-1001191848)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on June 12, 2017, 09:45:04 PM
Lufthansa adds more flights to TLV (http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-lufthansa-adds-five-weekly-tel-aviv-flights-1001191848)
would be nice if they would add widebody.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Dan on June 13, 2017, 12:34:06 AM
would be nice if they would add widebody.
+1, they are really uncompetitive in the US-TLV J/F market.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: elya on June 13, 2017, 12:39:31 AM
+1, they are really uncompetitive in the US-TLV J/F market.
True, but they are competitive EU-TLV unfortunately.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shimino1 on June 13, 2017, 08:20:16 AM
What are the new flight times? That is a much more important question if you want to use these flights to connect in Europe and continue to the U.S
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: high end hobo on June 16, 2017, 03:49:29 PM
I wish LH would have a good flight to connect with SQ 25/26
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Kabrams1618 on June 26, 2017, 01:34:54 AM
Looking to use my aa, united and/ or ba points to fly out of tlv to any tourist destination in Europe.
However do not want to fly through an arab/ muslim country or germany.  Any suggestions without huge fuel surcharges such as through london.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on June 26, 2017, 01:47:11 AM


Looking to use my aa, united and/ or ba points to fly out of tlv to any tourist destination in Europe.
However do not want to fly through an arab/ muslim country or germany.  Any suggestions without huge fuel surcharges such as through london.

I dont think that really exists anymore.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Kabrams1618 on June 26, 2017, 02:13:28 AM
How about if i take a cheap flight to say athens.  Does this open up more possibilities. Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: David Smith on June 26, 2017, 02:41:22 AM
Looking to use my aa, united and/ or ba points to fly out of tlv to any tourist destination in Europe.
However do not want to fly through an arab/ muslim country or germany.  Any suggestions without huge fuel surcharges such as through london.
IB to Barcelona or Madrid, maybe.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shimino1 on June 26, 2017, 02:58:59 AM
Looking to use my aa, united and/ or ba points to fly out of tlv to any tourist destination in Europe.
However do not want to fly through an arab/ muslim country or germany.  Any suggestions without huge fuel surcharges such as through london.
Berlin, Dusseldorf, Vienna, Munich all cost 10k BA with no fuel charges (some of those cities may be seasonal routes). From Berlin you can fly to many cities in Europe for 4.5k BA miles.   
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on June 26, 2017, 06:22:58 AM



However do not want to fly through germany. 



Berlin, Dusseldorf, Munich

Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: moe8555 on June 26, 2017, 02:56:54 PM
Get an elcheapo flight to Larnaca, Cyprus.  From there you can catch BA direct to London for far lower surcharges with Avios.  Only 17K Avios in Biz, I think 9-10K in economy. They operate a 767 with 34" pitch and relatively wide seats in business vs. 30" in economy.

Other choice is Israel - Madrid with Iberia, also low surcharges and low Avios.  I believe 20K in business, with a real business class like El Al operates to Europe (perhaps ~45" pitch, footrests, generous recline).

AA would only be worthwhile for Israel to Hong Kong/Thailand, 40K miles for business.  A complete waste to Europe.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Drago on June 26, 2017, 03:32:41 PM
Miles to Europe rarely make sense, although Israel LH accounts get J for 25k or 50k rt, w/ the expanded space
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on July 04, 2017, 03:45:28 PM
Lufthansa will fly a350 on MUC-TLV for the last 3 weeks in August.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Solma on July 05, 2017, 07:30:21 AM
Lufthansa will fly a350 on MUC-TLV for the last 3 weeks in August.

Why are they not selling PE on this route ?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: elya on July 05, 2017, 10:56:57 AM
Lufthansa will fly a350 on MUC-TLV for the last 3 weeks in August.
Link?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Solma on July 05, 2017, 11:11:02 AM
Link?

Check on EF, Starting august 12.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 05, 2017, 11:42:31 AM
Lufthansa will fly a350 on MUC-TLV for the last 3 weeks in August.
What' J like?
ETA 2-2-2. Flatbed?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: elya on July 05, 2017, 11:48:52 AM
Check on EF, Starting august 12.
Any idea why they would put it on the MUC route over FRA?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on July 05, 2017, 02:08:09 PM
Any idea why they would put it on the MUC route over FRA?

Seems they are growing their MUC hub, moving over some of the a380s from FRA to there.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on July 05, 2017, 02:09:49 PM
Flatbed?

Yes.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: elya on July 05, 2017, 03:41:01 PM
Seems they are growing their MUC hub, moving over some of the a380s from FRA to there.
A380 MUC-NYC?!?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: E-MAN on July 05, 2017, 03:46:42 PM
If I book two separate round trips - for example JFK-CDG and CDG-TLV, is there a way to have bags checked all the way through if the CDG-TLV rt is on elal and the JFK-CDG rt is on air france?
It looks like the itinerary is cheaper when booking two round trips instead of one with a stopover in each direction.
TIA
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on July 05, 2017, 05:09:19 PM
A380 MUC-NYC?!?

No. Beijing, Hong Kong and Los Angeles.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: elya on July 06, 2017, 01:52:28 AM
No. Beijing, Hong Kong and Los Angeles.
Ah. Makes more sense.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Kabrams1618 on July 08, 2017, 02:40:28 PM
I am flying business class from tlv to madrid with long night stopover and then business to Zurich, both flights on Iberia.  Will I get lounge access in tel aviv and Madrid?  Which lounge will I be able to use in both airports?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Z56 on July 08, 2017, 02:52:30 PM
I am flying business class from tlv to madrid with long night stopover and then business to Zurich, both flights on Iberia.  Will I get lounge access in tel aviv and Madrid?  Which lounge will I be able to use in both airports?

Don't understand. Are you leaving in J class from TLV ?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Kabrams1618 on July 08, 2017, 03:00:03 PM
Yes leaving tel aviv in j class on iberia.  Getting into madrid early evening and then flying out of madrid j class following afternoon.  Was wondering about lounge access in both tel aviv and madrid and which lounge I could use in both airports
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: hide4 on July 08, 2017, 03:27:11 PM
Yes leaving tel aviv in j class on iberia.  Getting into madrid early evening and then flying out of madrid j class following afternoon.  Was wondering about lounge access in both tel aviv and madrid and which lounge I could use in both airports
Iberia uses the Dan lounge in tlv, iinm.
They have their own lounges in Madrid.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: moe8555 on July 08, 2017, 03:57:20 PM
Yes leaving tel aviv in j class on iberia.  Getting into madrid early evening and then flying out of madrid j class following afternoon.  Was wondering about lounge access in both tel aviv and madrid and which lounge I could use in both airports

Don't know about Madrid, but you will be able to access the Dan Lounge in Tel Aviv.  Just keep your expectations low.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: B.D.Da'ehu on July 08, 2017, 06:30:55 PM
Yes leaving tel aviv in j class on iberia.  Getting into madrid early evening and then flying out of madrid j class following afternoon.  Was wondering about lounge access in both tel aviv and madrid and which lounge I could use in both airports
In Madrid  you'll get the Iberia lounge which is really nice. (Nice clean showers too)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on July 08, 2017, 10:39:30 PM
Don't know about Madrid, but you will be able to access the Dan Lounge in Tel Aviv.  Just keep your expectations low.
I don't recall seeing a worse excuse for a lounge than the Dan lounges at TLV. Reflects pretty badly on the Dan brand.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on July 08, 2017, 10:43:34 PM
I don't recall seeing a worse excuse for a lounge than the Dan lounges at TLV. Reflects pretty badly on the Dan brand.
I guess you haven't been many places besides NY and TLV. Not every lounge has showers and bling. More often than not they are more or less the same as the Dan.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: high end hobo on July 08, 2017, 11:48:32 PM
I don't recall seeing a worse excuse for a lounge than the Dan lounges at TLV. Reflects pretty badly on the Dan brand.
You haven't traveled to many different places then.

Dan lounge is pretty standard for a PP/Contract lounge, as a plus they have kosher food
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: moe8555 on July 09, 2017, 03:54:50 AM
You haven't traveled to many different places then.

Dan lounge is pretty standard for a PP/Contract lounge, as a plus they have kosher food

The one thing that really irks me with the Dan Lounges is the fact that they hide their liquor.  You have to specifically go to the front desk and ask for it -- and it's barely mid-shelf stuff!
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: moish on July 09, 2017, 04:17:39 AM
I don't recall seeing a worse excuse for a lounge than the Dan lounges at TLV. Reflects pretty badly on the Dan brand.

lol. Dont get out much?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shimino1 on July 09, 2017, 10:15:26 AM
The one thing that really irks me with the Dan Lounges is the fact that they hide their liquor.  You have to specifically go to the front desk and ask for it -- and it's barely mid-shelf stuff!
They have Liquor? I have been in there 20 times and don't recall them having any.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: aygart on July 09, 2017, 10:18:13 AM
They have Liquor? I have been in there 20 times and don't recall them having any.
Maybe that was because it was hidden
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Baglach on July 12, 2017, 12:57:32 AM
http://m.jpost.com/Business-and-Innovation/easyJet-announces-new-Israel-Italy-routes-499388
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on July 12, 2017, 07:12:20 AM
http://m.jpost.com/Business-and-Innovation/easyJet-announces-new-Israel-Italy-routes-499388
About time. Maybe the ridiculous LY fares will go down on that route now. I see for around $100 RT.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on July 14, 2017, 07:50:57 AM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-12/israel-seeking-saudi-flight-agreement-to-bring-pilgrims-to-mecca-j513r5ie
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: high end hobo on July 20, 2017, 10:53:51 PM
I see ET is upgrading some TLV Flights to a 767 that has a better business class then the current 737
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: E-MAN on July 26, 2017, 03:58:13 PM
Are there any flights departing TLV after 2pm that could get me into NY with a stopover on the same day?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: gold on July 26, 2017, 04:01:57 PM
Are there any flights departing TLV after 2pm that could get me into NY with a stopover on the same day?

Lot is the latest
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: E-MAN on July 26, 2017, 05:04:45 PM
Lot is the latest
The 12:15 flight? Nothing later than that?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: travel agent on July 26, 2017, 05:26:50 PM
LY direct at 4:00
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Solma on July 27, 2017, 07:30:20 AM
The 12:15 flight? Nothing later than that?

TK has a flight at 2:15pm arriving in NYC at 10:15pm
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: E-MAN on July 27, 2017, 12:36:59 PM
LY direct at 4:00
Thanks. Was looking for stopover to keep cost of flight down
TK has a flight at 2:15pm arriving in NYC at 10:15pm
Thanks. I should've specified I'm not looking to fly through Turkey or Russia.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: AsherO on July 27, 2017, 12:50:39 PM
Thanks. Was looking for stopover to keep cost of flight downThanks. I should've specified I'm not looking to fly through Turkey or Russia.

You want late and cheap, I'm not sure you can afford to be picky...

Most search engines should allow you to sort by departure time and limit duration to find the best options for your date/time of travel and price preferences.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: E-MAN on July 27, 2017, 12:53:26 PM
You want late and cheap, I'm not sure you can afford to be picky...
It's a return flight after succos, so direct flights are very expensive.
I have an unveiling Sunday morning at 10am and want to be back in NY for work on Monday.
(hope that explanation helps  ;))
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on September 12, 2017, 06:18:12 PM
HU just inaugurated PVG-TLV route on 787.

http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-hainan-airways-launches-tel-aviv-shanghai-flights-1001204840

http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-5015560,00.html
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: high end hobo on October 22, 2017, 11:06:46 PM
Whats going on with LY to London? it looks like soon they're pulling the 787 from that route and making THREE! daily flights to LTN with a 737.

An insight here?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 22, 2017, 11:21:25 PM
Whats going on with LY to London? it looks like soon they're pulling the 787 from that route and making THREE! daily flights to LTN with a 737.

An insight here?
The LY 787 is doing Newark
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: elya on October 22, 2017, 11:24:10 PM
Whats going on with LY to London? it looks like soon they're pulling the 787 from that route and making THREE! daily flights to LTN with a 737.

An insight here?
Probably due to the demise of Monarch. Smart move if you ask me.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Solma on October 23, 2017, 04:48:26 AM
Whats going on with LY to London? it looks like soon they're pulling the 787 from that route and making THREE! daily flights to LTN with a 737.

An insight here?

Where do you see 3 daily flights to LTN ?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: high end hobo on October 23, 2017, 10:08:17 PM
Where do you see 3 daily flights to LTN ?
https://www.google.com/flights/#search;f=TLV;t=LTN;d=2018-07-17;r=;tt=o;sc=e;s=0;mc=
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on October 25, 2017, 06:55:49 PM
Probably deserves its own thread.
Couldnt find English version yet.
Air Germania to attempt at filling AirBerlin void. Starting with two weekly flights between TXL and TLV.
https://www.themarker.com/consumer/tourism/1.4548434

Doesn't help us folks in the US at this point, as I don't think there's any connecting flights to/from the US.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on October 26, 2017, 06:26:39 PM
Probably deserves its own thread.
Couldnt find English version yet.
Air Germania to attempt at filling AirBerlin void. Starting with two weekly flights between TXL and TLV.
https://www.themarker.com/consumer/tourism/1.4548434

Doesn't help us folks in the US at this point, as I don't think there's any connecting flights to/from the US.
English article:
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-germania-airlines-to-launch-tel-aviv-berlin-flights-1001209249
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shampz on October 27, 2017, 06:19:03 PM
Hi,

I'm traveling with the family from LAX to TLV next August, and we're trying out some new routes for us. I found a direct LAX-AMS flight on Delta with available business seats (booked with KLM/Flying Blue miles), and we're planning on staying in Amsterdam a few days before continuing on. I'm deciding on the flight from AMS-TLV and would love to hear your advice.

My top 2 options include:
1. Transavia airlines, leaving at 2:20pm and getting into TLV around 8pm. Perfect timing for us, cheapest option.
2. KLM leaving at 9:05pm, arriving TLV in the middle of the night. There are no saver award seats though, so I'd have to pay a high price for one-way tickets, or use 45,000 miles each/135,000 miles total to redeem 3 business class award tickets.

Here's my question: Should I prioritize the schedule and cost and go with Transavia, or prioritize the travel comfort/benefits and burn the miles to fly on KLM? I've never flown Transavia. El Al options are out of my price range.

On the return, I found seats in business on Swiss through Zurich and booked with United/Chase miles.

Thanks


Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ludmila on October 28, 2017, 12:00:46 AM
Hi,

I'm traveling with the family from LAX to TLV next August, and we're trying out some new routes for us. I found a direct LAX-AMS flight on Delta with available business seats (booked with KLM/Flying Blue miles), and we're planning on staying in Amsterdam a few days before continuing on. I'm deciding on the flight from AMS-TLV and would love to hear your advice.

My top 2 options include:
1. Transavia airlines, leaving at 2:20pm and getting into TLV around 8pm. Perfect timing for us, cheapest option.
2. KLM leaving at 9:05pm, arriving TLV in the middle of the night. There are no saver award seats though, so I'd have to pay a high price for one-way tickets, or use 45,000 miles each/135,000 miles total to redeem 3 business class award tickets.

Here's my question: Should I prioritize the schedule and cost and go with Transavia, or prioritize the travel comfort/benefits and burn the miles to fly on KLM? I've never flown Transavia. El Al options are out of my price range.

On the return, I found seats in business on Swiss through Zurich and booked with United/Chase miles.

Thanks
Ill go with Transavia.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on October 28, 2017, 04:59:08 PM
Whats going on with LY to London? it looks like soon they're pulling the 787 from that route and making THREE! daily flights to LTN with a 737.

An insight here?
The change comes at the end of March, the day after El Al is starting 787 service to HKG. So I guess that answers your question.

The LY 787 is doing Newark
And it's still doing the LHR route...
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: efflpetzel on October 30, 2017, 01:02:39 PM
Hi,

I'm traveling with the family from LAX to TLV next August, and we're trying out some new routes for us. I found a direct LAX-AMS flight on Delta with available business seats (booked with KLM/Flying Blue miles), and we're planning on staying in Amsterdam a few days before continuing on. I'm deciding on the flight from AMS-TLV and would love to hear your advice.

My top 2 options include:
1. Transavia airlines, leaving at 2:20pm and getting into TLV around 8pm. Perfect timing for us, cheapest option.
2. KLM leaving at 9:05pm, arriving TLV in the middle of the night. There are no saver award seats though, so I'd have to pay a high price for one-way tickets, or use 45,000 miles each/135,000 miles total to redeem 3 business class award tickets.

Here's my question: Should I prioritize the schedule and cost and go with Transavia, or prioritize the travel comfort/benefits and burn the miles to fly on KLM? I've never flown Transavia. El Al options are out of my price range.

On the return, I found seats in business on Swiss through Zurich and booked with United/Chase miles.

Thanks
Transavia no question.

1) your killing the night + flying with children = no fun
2) klm J is just a blocked middle seat, very hard to justify 45k FB for that.

I just flew transavia & had a very decent flight, it was well worth paying extra for the front row seats
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shampz on October 30, 2017, 05:29:35 PM
Thanks for the advice, I'm def going to sell the Transavia flight as our best option to the boss. I now see that I can book the KLM flight in E for only 19,333 Chase points, so that is my cheapest option if we end up taking KLM.

The other alternative would be 25k Amex points to book an E seat on El Al at 11:45am, which I wouldn't want to do.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: efflpetzel on October 30, 2017, 05:56:09 PM
Thanks for the advice, I'm def going to sell the Transavia flight as our best option to the boss. I now see that I can book the KLM flight in E for only 19,333 Chase points, so that is my cheapest option if we end up taking KLM.

The other alternative would be 25k Amex points to book an E seat on El Al at 11:45am, which I wouldn't want to do.
Or book Elal with 20k qantas
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on November 05, 2017, 09:44:01 AM
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-atlasglobal-to-launch-tel-aviv-istanbul-flights-1001210125
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: moe8555 on November 05, 2017, 09:56:16 AM
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-atlasglobal-to-launch-tel-aviv-istanbul-flights-1001210125

Real J, 8 seat cabin. 36" pitch, 20" width.  Also $399 r/t IST-London (business)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: mikebg on November 07, 2017, 12:31:22 PM
Whats going on with LY to London? it looks like soon they're pulling the 787 from that route and making THREE! daily flights to LTN with a 737.

An insight here?

EL AL summer schedule. Actually 2 flights to LTN and 2 to LHR most days of the week. The Luton flights are 739 and the Heathrow vary between 772 and 744, with a 789 on Friday mornings.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: a mirrer on November 08, 2017, 12:48:12 PM
LATAM plans to start SCL-GRU-TLV in 2018
https://www.ajot.com/news/latam-plans-to-serve-tel-aviv-in-2018
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Joe4007 on November 08, 2017, 02:58:17 PM
LATAM plans to start SCL-GRU-TLV in 2018
https://www.ajot.com/news/latam-plans-to-serve-tel-aviv-in-2018
About time.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Denverite on November 08, 2017, 07:02:02 PM
LATAM plans to start SCL-GRU-TLV in 2018
https://www.ajot.com/news/latam-plans-to-serve-tel-aviv-in-2018

And no fuel fees!
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: hide4 on November 08, 2017, 08:07:20 PM
What's the fuel charge on a ba biz flight nyc-tlv using aa 70k ow.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: efflpetzel on November 08, 2017, 08:23:45 PM
About time.
Any exotic routing to be done
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on November 20, 2017, 11:22:40 AM
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-british-airways-mulling-flights-to-ovda-1001211232

Besides for what the title says, there are a few more interesting tidbits in this article, such as the history of flights to Israel, and IB switching over to all long-haul configuration on flights to TLV.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Dan on November 20, 2017, 12:12:52 PM
IB switching over to all long-haul configuration on flights to TLV.
z0mg, best spin ever!

They currently have a daily morning A330 and an evening A319 from MAD-TLV.
Effective 3/1 they are downgrading to 1x daily A330 in the afternoon.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on November 20, 2017, 12:22:05 PM
z0mg, best spin ever!

They currently have a daily morning A330 and an evening A319 from MAD-TLV.
Effective 3/1 they are downgrading to 1x daily A330 in the afternoon.
Thanks for pointing that out. I haven't flow IB in ages. Last time I did on an some kind of error fare (IINM it was still in the age of paper tickets - definitely before merging with BA) it was a terrible experience, and people around here know what bad experiences do to my relationships with airlines.  ;)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: aygart on November 20, 2017, 12:59:39 PM
Thanks for pointing that out. I haven't flow IB in ages. Last time I did on an some kind of error fare (IINM it was still in the age of paper tickets - definitely before merging with BA) it was a terrible experience, and people around here know what bad experiences do to my relationships with airlines.  ;)
There is only one thing an airline can possibly do to make things better-to fly widebody to TLV
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: moe8555 on November 20, 2017, 01:18:32 PM
Thanks for pointing that out. I haven't flow IB in ages. Last time I did on an some kind of error fare (IINM it was still in the age of paper tickets - definitely before merging with BA) it was a terrible experience, and people around here know what bad experiences do to my relationships with airlines.  ;)

I flew them last month ORD-MAD-TLV in J on the long leg.  No complaints and definitely a redemption bargain!
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on November 20, 2017, 05:57:39 PM
z0mg, best spin ever!

They currently have a daily morning A330 and an evening A319 from MAD-TLV.
Effective 3/1 they are downgrading to 1x daily A330 in the afternoon.
Daily? Um, almost... Sunday, Wednesday and Friday. The other days are 2 a319s
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Dan on November 20, 2017, 07:06:54 PM
Daily? Um, almost... Sunday, Wednesday and Friday. The other days are 2 a319s
Guess that will teach me from spot checking GF.
Either way, not a route upgrade. Terrible timing for connections from the US.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: high end hobo on November 20, 2017, 09:02:26 PM
the article mentions the possibility of BA flights flying LON-TLV-VDA.

I dont think thats a realistic possibility
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Dan on November 20, 2017, 09:04:05 PM
Because?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: efflpetzel on November 20, 2017, 10:29:35 PM
Because?
Yields?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: moe8555 on November 21, 2017, 03:18:16 AM
Yields?

Lots of people fly into VDA/ETH just to continue on to Jordan (Petra or Aqaba, which is far cheaper than Eilat).
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: high end hobo on November 21, 2017, 10:34:41 AM
Because?
Protectionism/security.

I can't imagine a foreign airline ever being allowed to offer an intra-Israel flight, even though they would not have pickup/dropoff rights
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chff on December 03, 2017, 02:36:14 AM
With PS's new 777 they will do a rotation to TLV on some days with the 777 or 767 you will will have a true (umm) business class NYC-TLV
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: efflpetzel on December 03, 2017, 03:51:59 PM
With PS's new 777 they will do a rotation to TLV on some days with the 777 or 767 you will will have a true (umm) business class NYC-TLV
If they keep their current prices in J that would be fantastic
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on December 03, 2017, 04:12:52 PM
If they keep their current prices in J that would be fantastic
What makes you think that their 777 business class might be anything one might want to fly?

Yet, if it were priced just a drop over economy, I might take it, just like I took Transaero ע"ה for about $1,600 RT in business. But I would like to see the actual product, before getting excited about it.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shapsam on December 03, 2017, 04:19:18 PM
What makes you think that their 777 business class might be anything one might want to fly?

Yet, if it were priced just a drop over economy, I might take it, just like I took Transaero ע"ה for about $1,600 RT in business. But I would like to see the actual product, before getting excited about it.
http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/2017/11/27/ukraine-777-business-class/
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yelped on December 09, 2017, 08:55:35 PM
New route coming in Summer 2018. Will be helpful for connections to Israel. EWR-Rzeszw, Rzeszw-TLV.

https://blog.wandr.me/2017/12/lot-picks-little-route-newark/
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shapsam on December 09, 2017, 09:20:48 PM
New route coming in Summer 2018. Will be helpful for connections to Israel. EWR-Rzeszw, Rzeszw-TLV.

https://blog.wandr.me/2017/12/lot-picks-little-route-newark/
Its also a half hour from Lizhensk.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yelped on December 09, 2017, 09:55:34 PM
Perfect for a shortish layover. Anyone see the schedule for both flights? Is it even on the same days?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: AsherO on December 10, 2017, 09:01:45 AM
New route coming in Summer 2018. Will be helpful for connections to Israel. EWR-Rzeszw, Rzeszw-TLV.

https://blog.wandr.me/2017/12/lot-picks-little-route-newark/

Just came here to post this, keep in mind the EWR-RZE turn will be 1/week, frequency of TLV-RZE wasn't clear.

Perfect for a shortish layover. Anyone see the schedule for both flights? Is it even on the same days?

You sure there's a schedule already (for the RZE-TLV route)?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yelped on December 10, 2017, 09:21:19 AM

You sure there's a schedule already (for the RZE-TLV route)?
Guess not. That's what I was asking. :)

It does say it will start in the Spring already.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shapsam on December 10, 2017, 09:51:23 AM
Are there any flights currently between RZE ant TLV like with Wizz or Ryanair?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: travel agent on December 10, 2017, 01:55:38 PM
Are there any flights currently between RZE ant TLV like with Wizz or Ryanair?

no

flight details:

Newark - Rzeszw - Newark, begins April 29. 787-8
EWR-RZE Sundays 19:25-10:10+1
RZE-EWR Mondays 14:10-17:40

Tel Aviv - Rzeszw - Tel Aviv, begins March 9, 737-800/737 MAX8
TLV-RZE Saturdays 20:50-23:35
RZE-TLV Sundays 06:06-10:50
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yelped on December 10, 2017, 01:59:11 PM
no

flight details:

Newark - Rzeszw - Newark, begins April 29. 787-8
EWR-RZE Sundays 19:25-10:10+1
RZE-EWR Mondays 14:10-17:40

Tel Aviv - Rzeszw - Tel Aviv, begins March 9, 737-800/737 MAX8
TLV-RZE Saturdays 20:50-23:35
RZE-TLV Sundays 06:06-10:50
Oh, well. Doesn't really work then..
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: hvaces42 on December 10, 2017, 02:43:29 PM

Tel Aviv - Rzeszw - Tel Aviv, begins March 9, 737-800/737 MAX8
TLV-RZE Saturdays 20:50-23:35
RZE-TLV Sundays 06:06-10:50
Let me guess...the day after high season  ;D
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: travel agent on December 10, 2017, 04:54:46 PM
why not Friday night from TLV & Saturday morning back?  :'(
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ad120 on December 10, 2017, 11:48:42 PM
no

flight details:

Newark - Rzeszw - Newark, begins April 29. 787-8
EWR-RZE Sundays 19:25-10:10+1
RZE-EWR Mondays 14:10-17:40

Tel Aviv - Rzeszw - Tel Aviv, begins March 9, 737-800/737 MAX8
TLV-RZE Saturdays 20:50-23:35
RZE-TLV Sundays 06:06-10:50
What a polack!
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on December 11, 2017, 05:48:52 PM
Wow. Just saw this. EWR - RZE is already for sale. RZE - TLV not yet.
The smart move is that on both routes, they give enough time to travel to Lizhensk and back. Though if only someone can explain to them that if they would make this route connect to TLV with a 4 - 8 hour connection it would be a VERY popular choice among frum jews.
(and nobody try to convince me that flying a wide-body jet to RZE has nothing to do with Lizhensk)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on December 11, 2017, 05:52:32 PM
There aren't even any good connections through RZE. That airport is dead besides for 36 hours a year. I can't see this lasting that long unfortunately.... (I wish I'm wrong)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: travel agent on December 11, 2017, 05:58:36 PM
if it has to do with Lizensk, why is the flight from TLV on Sat.?

BTW the RZE airport is active all year with a few daily flights to WAW, & few more destinations in Europe.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on December 11, 2017, 06:08:03 PM
if it has to do with Lizensk, why is the flight from TLV on Sat.?

BTW the RZE airport is active all year with a few daily flights to WAW, & few more destinations in Europe.
First of all, it's Motzei Shabbos. Secondly, they likely got the idea from a Jewish TA, but misunderstood the exact details.. (like starting chof beis Adar. GENIUS!!!)
It also comes at the same time as JFK - BUD (kerestir anyone?) I'm surprised they aren't doing JFK Debrecen instead....
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: travel agent on December 11, 2017, 06:12:31 PM
its doable hardly in the first half of the winter, but no way the other 3/4 part of the year.

the first RZE - TLV is perfect for those staying for shabos after the yurtzeit
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on December 11, 2017, 06:23:16 PM
the first RZE - TLV is perfect for those staying for shabos after the yurtzeit
True.

The JFK - BUD Thursday - Sunday works beautifully for Americans who want to fly to Kerestir for Shabbos, and it's only $702 RT! You can even return from RZE Monday morning for $715 RT!
I think this deserves it's own thread. It has very little to do with Ex-TLV routes
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chff on December 11, 2017, 06:27:19 PM
(and nobody try to convince me that flying a wide-body jet to RZE has nothing to do with Lizhensk)

That's the only plane they have that can cross the ocean

First of all, it's Motzei Shabbos. Secondly, they likely got the idea from a Jewish TA, but misunderstood the exact details.. (like starting chof beis Adar. GENIUS!!!)

They know the Jewish market very well - but they never wanted to move the TLV (from WAW) flight to connect to the US flights as they were sold from local and european connections. This year they added another flight that now has a good connection


It also comes at the same time as JFK - BUD (kerestir anyone?) I'm surprised they aren't doing JFK Debrecen instead....

BUD is a very undeserved route, rumor had it that EK was going to do it as a 5th Freedom route. DEB makes zero scene..
They are missing Kerestir this year
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on December 11, 2017, 06:34:53 PM
DEB makes zero scene..
That was a joke


They are missing Kerestir this year
Kerestir has lately become a very popular destination all year round. There are a few hundred Yidden there on any given Shabbos during the year.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on December 11, 2017, 06:37:04 PM
To be continued here:
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=87844.new#new
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chff on December 12, 2017, 07:40:24 AM
Reservation opened
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/276164/lot-polish-airlines-adds-rzeszow-tel-aviv-from-march-2018/
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: travel agent on December 12, 2017, 05:03:21 PM
its Sundays from TLV, & Mondays return
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on December 13, 2017, 05:32:47 PM
Reservation opened
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/276164/lot-polish-airlines-adds-rzeszow-tel-aviv-from-march-2018/
$101 roundtrip (when booked as 2 one ways)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shapsam on December 13, 2017, 05:41:13 PM
$101 roundtrip (when booked as 2 one ways)
Same as LUZ.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: moe8555 on December 14, 2017, 06:57:12 AM
FYI the airport will be closed on Sunday 8:00-12:00 due to a general strike.  Unless Teva drastically changes their layoff plan in Israel (ain't gonna happen), doubt it will be called off.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on January 01, 2018, 07:01:34 AM
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001217669
https://www.calcalist.co.il/local/articles/0,7340,L-3728593,00.html
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on January 09, 2018, 05:27:57 PM
New Wizzair route from TLV-VIE starting in June.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on January 09, 2018, 06:08:46 PM
New Wizzair route from TLV-VIE starting in June.
4x week

http://www.cityam.com/278444/wizz-air-has-just-announced-new-european-base-vienna-and-17
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: moish on January 09, 2018, 06:37:12 PM
Does the Ryanair to Bratislava still fly in June?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: travel agent on January 10, 2018, 01:16:32 PM
4x week


from Dec. its daily.

Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Bostener on January 16, 2018, 12:30:21 AM


BUD is a very undeserved route, rumor had it that EK was going to do it as a 5th Freedom route. DEB makes zero scene..
They are missing Kerestir this year
If Emirates comes in they will kill the market as they did with every city they came in.
They just kill every other airline..
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on January 16, 2018, 01:42:50 PM
TLV-EZE might be coming - http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1383863&sid=2308d8d3913c12c981f5f4293f06b7c8
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on January 16, 2018, 04:13:18 PM
TLV-EZE might be coming - http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1383863&sid=2308d8d3913c12c981f5f4293f06b7c8

Or not.

Quote
Dont hold your breath on this to start anytime soon...El Al has much bigger fish to fry in North America and will continue to fly its pax thru codeshare with AR via MAD and FCO
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: jose34 on January 17, 2018, 04:06:07 PM
Dan mentioned a few weeks ago the next possible North America route might be IAD or ORD.
Any real indication that IAD might be the next in line for a direct TLV flight?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yitrap on January 17, 2018, 04:35:44 PM
Dan mentioned a few weeks ago the next possible North America route might be IAD or ORD.
Any real indication that IAD might be the next in line for a direct TLV flight?
Population of jews living in the area.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: jose34 on January 17, 2018, 06:47:18 PM
I am sure there are many lists, but I just thought this was a good ex airport to TLV list for all flight flying into TLV.

https://www.touristisrael.com/full-list-flights-tel-aviv-israel/12331/
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Dan on January 17, 2018, 06:48:51 PM
I am sure there are many lists, but I just thought this was a good ex airport to TLV list for all flight flying into TLV.

https://www.touristisrael.com/full-list-flights-tel-aviv-israel/12331/
Wikipedia has this for just about every airport in the world.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: coralsnake on January 17, 2018, 06:58:40 PM
Wikipedia has this for just about every airport in the world.
Yup. An invaluable resource for finding which airlines fly out of any given airport to which destinations.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on January 17, 2018, 07:29:46 PM
Yup. An invaluable resource for finding which airlines fly out of any given airport to which destinations.

And used to be much more valuable when they had terminals listed too.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chff on January 17, 2018, 07:46:54 PM
And used to be much more valuable when they had terminals listed too.
Many Airports still have
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on January 17, 2018, 08:12:29 PM
Many Airports still have

In the US? Which major airports still list terminal?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chff on January 17, 2018, 08:15:30 PM
In the US? Which major airports still list terminal?
Wow, realizing now

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/799927249

→‎Passenger: we do no longer state terminals
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chff on January 17, 2018, 08:16:53 PM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Airports
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on January 17, 2018, 08:48:04 PM
Wow, realizing now

Yup, was discussed here - http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1361733. The terminal feature was very useful when they had it.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: travel agent on January 18, 2018, 08:54:50 AM
I am sure there are many lists, but I just thought this was a good ex airport to TLV list for all flight flying into TLV.

https://www.touristisrael.com/full-list-flights-tel-aviv-israel/12331/

its not fully updated, some countries are missing.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: zow on January 21, 2018, 06:22:10 AM
We are booked on AC85, TLV-YYZ, scheduled to arrive at 16:55. We have a separate ticket YYZ- BOS that departs at 20:55. Avoiding checked luggage TLV-YYZ is obviously preferable in terms of minimizing the chance of missing our flight.  But if I do need to check a bag, how much time am I adding to claim and recheck and clear security and US immigration/customs? The only difference I can see between my situation and a typical situation (i.e., having a single ticket TLV-YYZ-BOS) is that in the latter, my checked luggage gets screened behind the scenes by security and customs, but I still personally need to go through security, immigration and customs. 
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: travel agent on January 21, 2018, 06:54:46 AM
you can still check in your bag all the way TLV - BOS, just show your connection for the desk in TLV.

is it for tomorrow? if so you can change for free for an earlier connection
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on January 21, 2018, 07:33:20 AM
We are booked on AC85, TLV-YYZ, scheduled to arrive at 16:55. We have a separate ticket YYZ- BOS that departs at 20:55. Avoiding checked luggage TLV-YYZ is obviously preferable in terms of minimizing the chance of missing our flight.  But if I do need to check a bag, how much time am I adding to claim and recheck and clear security and US immigration/customs? The only difference I can see between my situation and a typical situation (i.e., having a single ticket TLV-YYZ-BOS) is that in the latter, my checked luggage gets screened behind the scenes by security and customs, but I still personally need to go through security, immigration and customs.
You didn't mention which airline is your YYZ-BOS flight. If AC, you should be able to check all the way through.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on January 21, 2018, 08:11:32 AM
You didn't mention which airline is your YYZ-BOS flight. If AC, you should be able to check all the way through.

Should be AC #7678 on E175.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: zow on January 22, 2018, 07:28:43 PM
You all are great.  Thanks so much. See below.

you can still check in your bag all the way TLV - BOS, just show your connection for the desk in TLV.

is it for tomorrow? if so you can change for free for an earlier connection

It's actually next week.

You didn't mention which airline is your YYZ-BOS flight. If AC, you should be able to check all the way through.

Should be AC #7678 on E175.

It's booked as UA8530, but indeed it is AC 7678.

Here's the deal:  As at least one other person encountered, during the glitch, I couldn't get the same-day connecting flight to price out, so I ended up with a 13-hour layover in Toronto. I was hoping for a schedule change that would allow me to reschedule to a same-day connecting flight, but no luck.  I didn't think I would have much success getting an AC agent, either in TLV or in YYZ, to switch me to the same-day connecting flight.  Also, it seems that you can fly standby for a flight but only same-day.  So, instead of accepting the painful layover and early morning departure from YYZ, I bit the bullet and bought separate tickets for the YYZ-BOS leg.  With 50,000 MR (and then getting 25,000 back), I bought the four through Amex.  Effectively, I'm doing HC on the original booking and then using a legitimately purchased ticket for the connecting flight.

So you see, I can't check luggage all the way through.  I need to claim it as if I'm spending the night in Toronto, and then recheck it.  Or, as I said, probably safest if I can avoid checked luggage altogether.

It would have been a lot easier if AC would have just changed the darn flight for me, but they wanted change fee plus repricing of the original ticket.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on January 22, 2018, 08:27:59 PM
You all are great.  Thanks so much. See below.

It's actually next week.

It's booked as UA8530, but indeed it is AC 7678.

Here's the deal:  As at least one other person encountered, during the glitch, I couldn't get the same-day connecting flight to price out, so I ended up with a 13-hour layover in Toronto. I was hoping for a schedule change that would allow me to reschedule to a same-day connecting flight, but no luck.  I didn't think I would have much success getting an AC agent, either in TLV or in YYZ, to switch me to the same-day connecting flight.  Also, it seems that you can fly standby for a flight but only same-day.  So, instead of accepting the painful layover and early morning departure from YYZ, I bit the bullet and bought separate tickets for the YYZ-BOS leg.  With 50,000 MR (and then getting 25,000 back), I bought the four through Amex.  Effectively, I'm doing HC on the original booking and then using a legitimately purchased ticket for the connecting flight.

So you see, I can't check luggage all the way through.  I need to claim it as if I'm spending the night in Toronto, and then recheck it.  Or, as I said, probably safest if I can avoid checked luggage altogether.

It would have been a lot easier if AC would have just changed the darn flight for me, but they wanted change fee plus repricing of the original ticket.
Maybe if you can show a ticket returning from BOS to YYZ the same day, it can be explained that you actually need to be in BOS and YYZ at those times and then go back to BOS, and it just priced better as separate tickets. (Get BOS-YYZ that you can cancel penalty free).
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: zow on January 22, 2018, 09:10:49 PM
Maybe if you can show a ticket returning from BOS to YYZ the same day, it can be explained that you actually need to be in BOS and YYZ at those times and then go back to BOS, and it just priced better as separate tickets. (Get BOS-YYZ that you can cancel penalty free).

It is a great suggestion, but I dont think it will be plausible.

We are booked (with the UA ticket) on the last possible flight YYZ-BOS on Wednesday night and on the first possible flight (with the original AC ticket) on Thursday morning. There is no commercial flight BOS-YYZ after we arrive in BOS late Wednesday night.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: geshmak1 on January 22, 2018, 11:16:52 PM
We just did this last week. Our original itinerary, booked with the glitch, had an overnight stay in Toronto. Ended up booking separate ticket, 9 pm to Newark.when I checked my bags in tlv, I asked if they can tag it straight to ewr, the agent told me I should have arrived at airport earlier and gone to a different desk (before security) and they would have done it for me, but now it's too late.  (When I checked in in tlv, only the tlv-yyz boarding passes printed, whereas on the way to tlv, when we checked in in ewr, both sets of boarding passes automatically printed)But when we landed in yyz, anyone we spoke with did not understand why our bags weren't tagged straight through. No one cared that my original itinerary had flight scheduled for the next morning. Also, if you don't tag bags through when you check in in tlv, you may need to pay a baggage fee in yyz, as that separate ticket is not considered an international flight.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: zow on January 23, 2018, 01:11:30 PM
We just did this last week. Our original itinerary, booked with the glitch, had an overnight stay in Toronto. Ended up booking separate ticket, 9 pm to Newark.when I checked my bags in tlv, I asked if they can tag it straight to ewr, the agent told me I should have arrived at airport earlier and gone to a different desk (before security) and they would have done it for me, but now it's too late.  (When I checked in in tlv, only the tlv-yyz boarding passes printed, whereas on the way to tlv, when we checked in in ewr, both sets of boarding passes automatically printed)But when we landed in yyz, anyone we spoke with did not understand why our bags weren't tagged straight through. No one cared that my original itinerary had flight scheduled for the next morning. Also, if you don't tag bags through when you check in in tlv, you may need to pay a baggage fee in yyz, as that separate ticket is not considered an international flight.

Totally helpful data point. Thank  you.
Was anticipating the  need to pay for the bag YYZ-BOS, but would be nice to avoid it!
Helpful to hear that no one in TLV was bothered by the fact that you were effectively dumping the last leg of the original ticket.
I'm not surprised the undesired second leg of the trip (YYZ-EWR) didn't print in TLV...it was probably more than 24h before departure time!
Sounds like we need to get to TLV early.
Any idea what different desk the agent meant?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Ergel on January 23, 2018, 02:24:34 PM
I doubt they'll tag your bags through, DROCIA
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: geshmak1 on January 23, 2018, 05:36:52 PM
Totally helpful data point. Thank  you.
Was anticipating the  need to pay for the bag YYZ-BOS, but would be nice to avoid it!
Helpful to hear that no one in TLV was bothered by the fact that you were effectively dumping the last leg of the original ticket.
I'm not surprised the undesired second leg of the trip (YYZ-EWR) didn't print in TLV...it was probably more than 24h before departure time!
Sounds like we need to get to TLV early.
Any idea what different desk the agent meant?
I don't know which desk she meant, but it was not the regular place where you check your bags after the first security point. When we landed in yyz, went through the connections hallway. There was an agent at the entrance helping people who were flying to BOS. She printed our Yyz-ewr boarding passes and told us that because we flew in from tlv we should not have to pay. And when we checked our luggage (after claiming them, going thru Canadian customs), there was no mention of any fees.

As a side point, they somehow tagged one of my suitcases to Dallas to a passenger named Rashid...was quite a story straightening it all out.  :)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: zow on January 23, 2018, 06:55:33 PM
I doubt they'll tag your bags through, DROCIA
Fair enough. The only risk in trying is that they'll suspect I'm dumping the last leg of the original ticket.  Sounds like that's not too risky.

I don't know which desk she meant, but it was not the regular place where you check your bags after the first security point. When we landed in yyz, went through the connections hallway. There was an agent at the entrance helping people who were flying to BOS. She printed our Yyz-ewr boarding passes and told us that because we flew in from tlv we should not have to pay. And when we checked our luggage (after claiming them, going thru Canadian customs), there was no mention of any fees.

As a side point, they somehow tagged one of my suitcases to Dallas to a passenger named Rashid...was quite a story straightening it all out.  :)

So even though you had bags checked to YYZ, you still went through the Connection to US Corridor, and they were able to get your bag to you, allow you to go through Canadian Customs, and then recheck them?! I wouldn't have expected that to work out, but I'm glad to hear.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: geshmak1 on January 23, 2018, 07:35:31 PM
Fair enough. The only risk in trying is that they'll suspect I'm dumping the last leg of the original ticket.  Sounds like that's not too risky.

So even though you had bags checked to YYZ, you still went through the Connection to US Corridor, and they were able to get your bag to you, allow you to go through Canadian Customs, and then recheck them?! I wouldn't have expected that to work out, but I'm glad to hear.
We did not go all the way through. Right after we went through the doors, to the left of the corridor (where they check your boarding pass) was an agent at a desk. She printed our boarding passes, sent us thru Canadian customs, then to get our luggage. Then back to the regular check in, thru security, thru us customs(that's when they realized our bag was being sent to Dallas!) and then to the gate. Was a bit of a hassle...but def beats overnight in Toronto when we've been away for a week and just want to get home. Not once was I asked about my flight the next morning, both in tlv and yyz. Had we been able to tag our bags thru to ewr at tlv would have been much simpler. But at $325 a ticket, I'm not complaining.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: zow on January 23, 2018, 07:37:11 PM
We did not go all the way through. Right after we went through the doors, to the left of the corridor (where they check your boarding pass) was an agent at a desk. She printed our boarding passes, sent us thru Canadian customs, then to get our luggage. Then back to the regular check in, thru security, thru us customs(that's when they realized our bag was being sent to Dallas!) and then to the gate. Was a bit of a hassle...but def beats overnight in Toronto when we've been away for a week and just want to get home. Not once was I asked about my flight the next morning, both in tlv and yyz. Had we been able to tag our bags thru to ewr at tlv would have been much simpler. But at $325 a ticket, I'm not complaining.
We see things exactly the same way.  Thanks for taking the time to share your information. 
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: geshmak1 on January 23, 2018, 07:49:20 PM
Np. Enjoy your trip!
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chff on January 25, 2018, 03:36:51 PM
https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2018-01-25-Air-Canada-Welcomes-Expanded-Canada-Israel-Air-Services-Agreement
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on January 29, 2018, 11:54:59 AM
I guess this dashes any hopes for a good fifth freedom flight.  ;)

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-28/qatar-agrees-to-transparency-to-resolve-u-s-airline-dispute

Quote
Qatar Airways will commit to [...] not run any indirect flights to the U.S. through other countries
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Dan on January 29, 2018, 12:28:45 PM
I guess this dashes any hopes for a good fifth freedom flight.  ;)

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-28/qatar-agrees-to-transparency-to-resolve-u-s-airline-dispute

Erm, why this thread?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on January 29, 2018, 03:07:02 PM
Erm, why this thread?
Just because I was in a good mood, so I figured I'd put it in the most unexpected thread. And after all, I added context.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Bostener on January 30, 2018, 07:09:27 AM
Erm, why this thread?

Because  ExTLV is the only route that isn't effected by the Gluf carriers.

Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on January 30, 2018, 04:48:03 PM
Because  ExTLV is the only route that isn't effected by the Gluf carriers likely to ever get a fifth freedom flight.
Ftfy
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: aygart on January 30, 2018, 05:22:08 PM
Ftfy
I thought you would write because a fifth freedom is the only way to use the gulf carriers to TLV without adding a second stopover.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on February 04, 2018, 04:57:18 AM
Any better source on Arkia flying to NY?

From: http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-record-air-passenger-traffic-in-2016-1001173702 last paragraph
"Arkia Airlines Ltd. and Israir Airlines and Tourism Ltd. also improved their result, posting a 30% rise in activity: 650,000 passengers on Arkia and 550,000 on Israir. Both companies are expanding their destination maps, with Arkia also planning to fly to New York and Thailand."

Well, now we presumably have a schedule and fares for TLV-BKK flights on Arkia.

Sorry, only Hebrew sources so far. Seems like Arkia is leasing a 763 for these flights. July and August service planned for Tuesdays (00:50 eastbound, 19:40 westbound) and unfortunately a second weekly flight on Shabbos, with fares as low as $350 in economy (promo, restrictions etc.), and $999 in business (each way, presumably requiring RT purchase).

http://www.mako.co.il/news-money/consumer-q1_2018/Article-5bfd0f5b0106161004.htm

https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001222198

http://m.ynet.co.il/Articles/5083864
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Denverite on February 04, 2018, 07:22:05 AM
Well, now we presumably have a schedule and fares for TLV-BKK flights on Arkia.

Sorry, only Hebrew sources so far. Seems like Arkia is leasing a 763 for these flights. July and August service planned for Tuesdays (00:50 eastbound, 19:40 westbound) and unfortunately a second weekly flight on Shabbos, with fares as low as $350 in economy (promo, restrictions etc.), and $999 in business (each way, presumably requiring RT purchase).

http://www.mako.co.il/news-money/consumer-q1_2018/Article-5bfd0f5b0106161004.htm

https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001222198

http://m.ynet.co.il/Articles/5083864

Forgive my ignorance, what does Arkias business class look like? Those seem like a amazing rates.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on February 04, 2018, 08:04:23 AM

Forgive my ignorance, what does Arkias business class look like? Those seem like a amazing rates.
I have no clue.

I doubt if they even have a business class on any of their existing routes. They are leasing widebodies specifically for this route.

TBH, not expecting anything worthwhile.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: moe8555 on February 04, 2018, 11:07:58 AM
The prices are good, but mile redemptions in J aren't that onerous from TLV-BKK (e.g. AA is 40K each way, plus 10% back if you have one of the CCs).

Very curious to see what product they will offer, at any rate.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: G11600 on February 07, 2018, 06:54:12 AM
Flights TLV-BOM to be reduced by 2 hours as they can overfly Saudi airspace - also opens the way for Air India to fly

https://www.thejc.com/news/world/flights-between-israel-and-india-to-shorten-after-saudi-arabia-opens-its-airspace-1.458222
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Abelefko1 on February 07, 2018, 08:36:08 AM
Flights TLV-BOM to be reduced by 2 hours as they can overfly Saudi airspace - also opens the way for Air India to fly

https://www.thejc.com/news/world/flights-between-israel-and-india-to-shorten-after-saudi-arabia-opens-its-airspace-1.458222
Opens new possibilities for tlv-mle
Curious to see what equipment theyll use
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: tavster on February 07, 2018, 08:41:51 AM
Now ElAl:

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-el-al-demands-israel-also-grant-permission-to-fly-over-saudi-airspace-1.5803416

Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chff on February 07, 2018, 09:50:19 AM
Now ElAl:

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-el-al-demands-israel-also-grant-permission-to-fly-over-saudi-airspace-1.5803416

Can you please post the article?



https://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.com/2018/02/07/saudi-arabia-allows-flights-israel-use-airspace/
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: tavster on February 07, 2018, 10:02:38 AM
Can you please post the article?
"El Al demanded on Wednesday that Israeli authorities will allow the airline to fly over Saudi airspace following reports that said the Saudis granted Air India approval to operate flights from New Delhi to Tel Aviv over its airspace.

This is the first time the Saudis are allowing flights to Israel to use their airspace.

Following the reports, Michael Strausberger, El Al's recently appointed vice president for commercial and industry affairs, said he expects that the same approval would be given to Israeli airlines

"We at El Al, and I assume that other Israeli airlines share our view, hope and believe that Saudi Arabia will also allow Israeli airlines, who fly from or to Israel and not only foreign airlines to fly over its territory," Strausberger said.

"It's clear that there is no difference between an Israeli passenger who flies in a plane that takes off or lands in Israel with a foreign airline or with an Israeli airline," he added, noting that no passenger or airline should be discriminated against.

Strausberger said that El Al has already asked Israeli authorities for such approval. "We approached the prime minister, the Civil Aviation Authority, the transportation minister and the Shin Bet and said that we expect equal opportunity among the carriers."

The new route over Saudi Arabia, which was granted to Air India, has a clear advantage, he stressed. "It will allow airlines to shorten flight durations and will reduce flight costs and as a result lower prices for passengers."
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chff on February 07, 2018, 10:19:24 AM
"El Al demanded on Wednesday that Israeli authorities will allow the airline to fly over Saudi airspace following reports that said the Saudis granted Air India approval to operate flights from New Delhi to Tel Aviv over its airspace.

This is the first time the Saudis are allowing flights to Israel to use their airspace.

Following the reports, Michael Strausberger, El Al's recently appointed vice president for commercial and industry affairs, said he expects that the same approval would be given to Israeli airlines

"We at El Al, and I assume that other Israeli airlines share our view, hope and believe that Saudi Arabia will also allow Israeli airlines, who fly from or to Israel and not only foreign airlines to fly over its territory," Strausberger said.

"It's clear that there is no difference between an Israeli passenger who flies in a plane that takes off or lands in Israel with a foreign airline or with an Israeli airline," he added, noting that no passenger or airline should be discriminated against.

Strausberger said that El Al has already asked Israeli authorities for such approval. "We approached the prime minister, the Civil Aviation Authority, the transportation minister and the Shin Bet and said that we expect equal opportunity among the carriers."

The new route over Saudi Arabia, which was granted to Air India, has a clear advantage, he stressed. "It will allow airlines to shorten flight durations and will reduce flight costs and as a result lower prices for passengers."


Thanks - Lucky just posted the story and his link is open to me

http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/2018/02/07/air-india-tel-aviv-flight/
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/in-first-saudi-arabia-allows-flights-to-israel-over-its-airspace-1.5803140
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Abelefko1 on February 07, 2018, 10:40:56 AM
Opens new possibilities for tlv-mle
Curious to see what equipment theyll use
787 per lucky
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on February 27, 2018, 06:51:29 AM
Germania increasing TXL-TLV schedule to 6x a week.

Sorry, couldn't find English version yet.

http://www.israelhayom.co.il/article/538485

There's also some buzz about Air India starting DEL-TLV service as early as mid March, based on some Bloomberg article which I didn't find yet.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: zow on February 28, 2018, 01:48:58 PM
Posting for a family in our kahal, who has an adult son with mild-autism. Please PM me if you can help:

Our son Noah is coming back from Israel on El Al flight #15 to Boston, leaving Tel Aviv on Tuesday, March 13 at 12:05am.  If you know anyone on this flight, or anyone who knows anyone, it would be very helpful if that person could simply stand in line behind Noah and direct him through passport control/customs/baggage. 
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on March 01, 2018, 09:00:50 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/01/israels-el-al-seeks-international-help-to-access-saudi-airspace.html
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chff on March 06, 2018, 12:59:43 AM
Route is starting in a few days...


Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on March 06, 2018, 01:32:42 AM
Route is starting in a few days...

https://www.timesofisrael.com/air-india-denies-getting-approval-for-flights-to-israel-over-saudi-arabia/
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chff on March 06, 2018, 01:42:20 AM
https://www.timesofisrael.com/air-india-denies-getting-approval-for-flights-to-israel-over-saudi-arabia/
This keeps on going back and forth... IIRC correctly they are starting to fly this week, will see what route they fly
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Proisrael on March 06, 2018, 03:39:43 AM
This keeps on going back and forth... IIRC correctly they are starting to fly this week, will see what route they fly

Still cannot buy a ticket though...To start flying so soon means empty planes.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shimino1 on March 06, 2018, 04:34:24 AM
Today is the big day. Who will fly on the first Air India flight?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Proisrael on March 06, 2018, 05:12:24 AM
Today is the big day. Who will fly on the first Air India flight?

According to Air India still not selling tickets.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on March 06, 2018, 07:28:37 AM
Austrian adding a 3rd daily VIE-TLV flight starting this summer. Afternoon departure from VIE, evening return from TLV.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shapsam on March 06, 2018, 07:57:34 AM
Austrian adding a 3rd daily VIE-TLV flight starting this summer. Afternoon departure from VIE, evening return from TLV.
Same type of aircraft?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on March 06, 2018, 10:23:56 AM
Same type of aircraft?

A320 instead of A321 on the other 2.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on March 06, 2018, 12:07:29 PM
A320 instead of A321 on the other 2.
:(
If only they would put something with real J on that route, they could prove some real competition to LX and TK (also presumably BA, but who wants to pay outrageous YQ or connect at LHR, I've never flown via VIE, but from what I've heard I'd probably take it over LHR for a connection in a heartbeat).
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: aygart on March 06, 2018, 01:25:12 PM
:(
If only they would put something with real J on that route, they could prove some real competition to LX and TK (also presumably BA, but who wants to pay outrageous YQ or connect at LHR, I've never flown via VIE, but from what I've heard I'd probably take it over LHR for a connection in a heartbeat).
VIE was a very pleasant connection, but I am not sure you would like their real J either. i found LX J to be much more roomy and comfortable overall than OS. That may be because of their configuration causing the bulkhead to be worse than a regular seat.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chff on March 06, 2018, 04:58:01 PM
Still cannot buy a ticket though...To start flying so soon means empty planes.

Today is the big day. Who will fly on the first Air India flight?

According to Air India still not selling tickets.

http://livefromalounge.boardingarea.com/2018/03/06/air-india-flight-to-israel-overfly-saudi/
Quote
The flight has still not been loaded in the GDS or Air Indias own reservation for booking yet. I am not worried about that, however, given in the past as well, Air India has just made those announcements sometimes 4 days before the first flight. But this may also indicate that the deal is not in the bag yet and hence Air India is not formally announcing the flight.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on March 06, 2018, 06:02:49 PM
http://livefromalounge.boardingarea.com/2018/03/06/air-india-flight-to-israel-overfly-saudi/
So once they pass Saudi airspace, do they enter UAE airspace and is that OK? Or do they just fly over Iran and Pakistan?

Looking into some routes that get extended to avoid certain airspaces, RJ408 seem to take a circuitous route.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shimino1 on March 07, 2018, 06:51:06 AM
Flight is live for bookings in GDS's for bookings from the 22nd for both DEL-TLV and TLV-DEL.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chff on March 07, 2018, 08:37:45 AM
Flight is live for bookings in GDS's for bookings from the 22nd for both DEL-TLV and TLV-DEL.

Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: tavster on March 07, 2018, 11:34:21 AM
Flight is live for bookings in GDS's for bookings from the 22nd for both DEL-TLV and TLV-DEL.
Shows up as a 8:15 duration on the way to DEL and 6:25 on the way back..
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: moish on March 07, 2018, 03:11:51 PM
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-sichuan-airlines-to-launch-tel-aviv-chengdu-route-1001226732
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Proisrael on March 08, 2018, 03:39:48 AM
70k Round trip Business with UA or 55k with ANA availability galore.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: SkinnnyJ on March 08, 2018, 06:35:25 AM
Shows up as a 8:15 duration on the way to DEL and 6:25 on the way back..

Presumably, after avoiding Saudi anti-aircraft fire on the way to Israel, they'll take the long way home.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Dan on March 08, 2018, 10:26:23 AM
70k Round trip Business with UA or 55k with ANA availability galore.
55 with ANA?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shimino1 on March 08, 2018, 11:02:20 AM
55 with ANA?
Don't forget the YQ which is high on this route.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shimino1 on March 08, 2018, 11:02:50 AM
2 J seats and 4 Y seats for almost every flight.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on March 11, 2018, 03:00:16 PM
Just boarded LO 170 TLV to RZE inaugural flight. This is definitely the most chareidi flight I've been on in my life. There is one Polish group on the flight, and practically everyone else is frum here. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180311/65690d7ddd8aa62a63e89dcd23f49cf7.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180311/0edc2709912f81914f0b9ec8561f697f.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180311/5f831c1f7514bdab3a29b78169c19059.jpg)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: travel agent on March 11, 2018, 06:15:36 PM
are you going to Lizensk or to NYC?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on March 11, 2018, 07:41:22 PM
are you going to Lizensk or to NYC?
Lizensk. There is no connection to NYC yet. Only starting in May IIRC
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yelped on March 13, 2018, 08:10:56 PM
Seems like LY 82 is flying over Qatar right now, and soon over Saudia Arabia...

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ELY82
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chff on March 13, 2018, 08:12:23 PM
Seems like LY 82 is flying over Qatar right now, and soon over Saudia Arabia...

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ELY82
No, it's over Somalia

LY82 from Bangkok to Tel Aviv https://fr24.com/ELY082/10b3b812
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chff on March 13, 2018, 08:36:05 PM
Seems like LY 82 is flying over Qatar right now, and soon over Saudia Arabia...

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ELY82
And BTW no one can fly from Qatat to SA... Fa showed it oven Oman
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yelped on March 13, 2018, 10:02:17 PM
Thanks. Now it shows that it didn't fly there at all. What happened? Bug?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: aygart on March 13, 2018, 10:09:07 PM
Thanks. Now it shows that it didn't fly there at all. What happened? Bug?
I think you were seeing what they project as the route which is direct from location to destination
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yelped on March 13, 2018, 11:31:58 PM
I think you were seeing what they project as the route which is direct from location to destination
That is an interesting thought. I always assumed it was based off either prior flight paths for the flight, or actual route maps.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: travel agent on March 14, 2018, 01:54:50 PM
W6 is cancelling PRG, LUZ, KSC in June
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on March 14, 2018, 02:09:32 PM
LO is putting a 737 MAX 8 on the TLV - WAW route every Sunday starting April 8. Over the following months, they will gradually add more days of the week.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chff on March 19, 2018, 11:49:24 PM
With PS's new 777 they will do a rotation to TLV on some days with the 777 or 767 you will will have a true (umm) business class NYC-TLV
Starting today?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on March 20, 2018, 07:45:45 AM
Interesting, on the KBP - TLV route, you can actually purchase PE seats at just $16 instead of $8 for a standard seat
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shapsam on March 20, 2018, 08:24:30 AM
Interesting, on the KBP - TLV route, you can actually purchase PE seats at just $16 instead of $8 for a standard seat
You just get the seat not the extra 'service'. it was also always like this on the 767 as well. Free within 48 hours of the flight.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on March 21, 2018, 02:59:08 PM
El Al Israel Airlines in the 3rd quarter of 2018 plans to offer Dreamliner service on Tel Aviv Athens route, reflected in recent schedule update. From 01JUL18 to 26AUG18, the Boeing 787-9 will serve this route once a week on Sundays.

LY541 TLV0655 0900ATH 789 7
LY542 ATH1025 1215TLV 789 7

Great way to connect to/from ATH-EWR on EK.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yelped on March 21, 2018, 03:27:59 PM
Timings work out? What are the times for the EK flights?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on March 21, 2018, 03:40:42 PM
Timings work out? What are the times for the EK flights?

EK 210 lands in ATH at 4:05pm and EK 209 leaves from ATH at 5:20pm.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on March 21, 2018, 03:45:20 PM
EK 210 lands in ATH at 4:05pm and EK 209 leaves from ATH at 5:20pm.
So how is that a great way to connect (other than being a widebody for a short flight)? Overnight one way, 7 hours the other way.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Dan on March 21, 2018, 06:52:23 PM
https://passportnews.co.il/the-news-of-united-airlines/
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yelped on March 21, 2018, 07:37:31 PM
https://passportnews.co.il/the-news-of-united-airlines/
Chicago?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Buruch on March 22, 2018, 10:40:02 AM
Best miles to use between Israel and Europe? FB considers Israel part of Europe, but intra-Eur is not cheap on their chart...
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on March 22, 2018, 10:49:09 AM
Best miles to use between Israel and Europe? FB considers Israel part of Europe, but intra-Eur is not cheap on their chart...
What do you consider cheap?

It really depends on destination and class of service.

If HC is an option for you, Lifemiles is reasonable intra ME, though not necessarily for J.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Buruch on March 22, 2018, 11:48:42 AM
Coach flights to Italy, France, Prague etc.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on March 22, 2018, 11:54:46 AM
Coach flights to Italy, France, Prague etc.
Some of those you can probably have with LCC or ULCC for a bargain, not worth it with points. Isn't FB somewhere between 10,000-15,000 for intra Europe flights (with promos being cheaper). Also FB has very low to no YQ on flights on RO, if you want to connect at OTP.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chff on March 22, 2018, 12:50:32 PM
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Buruch on March 22, 2018, 01:01:08 PM
Some of those you can probably have with LCC or ULCC for a bargain, not worth it with points. Isn't FB somewhere between 10,000-15,000 for intra Europe flights (with promos being cheaper). Also FB has very low to no YQ on flights on RO, if you want to connect at OTP.

ulcc is the way I'd go in general, but you have to book well in advance usually to get good prices. It looks like EasyJet is cancelling a few flights from TLV at the end of March.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on March 22, 2018, 01:07:11 PM
So what's the story with Omani airspace, was that never an issue?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Dan on March 22, 2018, 01:17:11 PM
So what's the story with Omani airspace, was that never an issue?
Everyone around SA does what SA wants.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on March 22, 2018, 01:18:35 PM
Everyone around SA does what SA wants.
Except for Qatar
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: tavster on March 22, 2018, 01:19:50 PM
How likely is it that LY will ever get to use the SA airspace?
They turned to IATA and UN but I don't know if they can enforce anything
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on March 22, 2018, 01:22:09 PM
How likely is it that LY will ever get to use the SA airspace?
They turned to IATA and UN but I don't know if they can enforce anything
I would say extremely likely, especially once MBS fully takes over the reins.

ETA: Between hoping that LY becomes more customer service oriented, LY joining a global airline alliance, or LY flying over Saudi Arabia (and other Arab and/or Muslim countries such as Indonesia), I would say the latter is a lot more likely than any of the former.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Dan on March 22, 2018, 01:24:42 PM
I would say extremely likely, especially once MBS fully takes over the reins.
+1
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: tavster on March 22, 2018, 01:27:41 PM
I would say extremely likely, especially once MBS fully takes over the reins.
That would be great for LY's flights to Asia
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on March 22, 2018, 01:30:39 PM
That would be great for LY's flights to Asia
And for other competition. Maybe finally SQ into TLV (though IINM their problem is more with Indonesia and possibly Malaysia).
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: tavster on March 22, 2018, 01:39:31 PM
And for other competition. Maybe finally SQ into TLV (though IINM their problem is more with Indonesia and possibly Malaysia).
Good point
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chff on March 22, 2018, 01:49:41 PM
I would say extremely likely, especially once MBS fully takes over the reins.
MBS?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Dan on March 22, 2018, 01:51:03 PM
MBS?
GIYF
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chff on March 22, 2018, 01:59:22 PM


How likely is it that LY will ever get to use the SA airspace?
They turned to IATA and UN but I don't know if they can enforce anything

Let see first whats happens by ICAO re QR
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: tavster on March 23, 2018, 08:54:58 AM
And for other competition. Maybe finally SQ into TLV (though IINM their problem is more with Indonesia and possibly Malaysia).
"SQ told Reuters it is not currently considering services to Tel Aviv" https://www.reuters.com/article/israel-india-saudi-el-al-arlns/israels-el-al-to-take-its-row-over-saudi-airspace-to-supreme-court-idUSL8N1R52YB
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chff on March 23, 2018, 11:23:58 AM
And for other competition. Maybe finally SQ into TLV (though IINM their problem is more with Indonesia and possibly Malaysia).

Many SQ Crew are Malay - and Malaysian passports bear the inscription: "This passport is valid for all countries except Israel" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysian_passport (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysian_passport)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chff on March 23, 2018, 11:28:14 AM
And for other competition. Maybe finally SQ into TLV (though IINM their problem is more with Indonesia and possibly Malaysia).

See this flight route
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on March 23, 2018, 12:39:59 PM
See this flight route
הוא הדבר אשר דיברתי.

Singapore is pragmatic. And similar to what was stated about Oman vis-a-vis KSA, Singapore doesn't while maintaining its position and global neutrality, doesn't start up with Malaysia or Indonesia which are several orders of magnitude its size, and practically engulf it.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yelped on March 25, 2018, 10:45:13 AM
הוא הדבר אשר דיברתי.

Singapore is pragmatic. And similar to what was stated about Oman vis-a-vis KSA, Singapore doesn't while maintaining its position and global neutrality, doesn't start up with Malaysia or Indonesia which are several orders of magnitude its size, and practically engulf it.
See quote from this article: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-india-saudi-el-al-arlns/israels-el-al-to-take-its-row-over-saudi-airspace-to-supreme-court-idUSKBN1GZ1VC

"Israels Tourism Minister on Thursday called the maiden Air India flight a diplomatic achievement and said he has been in negotiations to open similar flights with Singapore Airlines and a carrier from the Philippines, which he did not name.

Singapore Airlines told Reuters it is not currently considering services to Israel."

Any chance on the 5th Freedom flight from NYC to TLV?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on March 25, 2018, 12:03:37 PM
See quote from this article: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-india-saudi-el-al-arlns/israels-el-al-to-take-its-row-over-saudi-airspace-to-supreme-court-idUSKBN1GZ1VC

"Israels Tourism Minister on Thursday called the maiden Air India flight a diplomatic achievement and said he has been in negotiations to open similar flights with Singapore Airlines and a carrier from the Philippines, which he did not name.

Singapore Airlines told Reuters it is not currently considering services to Israel."

Any chance on the 5th Freedom flight from NYC to TLV?

As mentioned above, SQ has a problem with Malaysia (and Indonesia), none of that is being addressed here.

I would almost say it's more likely to get QR to do that 5th Freedom flight than it is for SQ.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: cdlaz on March 27, 2018, 05:39:52 AM
PSA: Flying with AI on the new route from TLV-DEL and connecting to a destination outside India?
You must have the check-in agent Book and Tag your bags to the FINAL destination as Israelis need a Visa to enter India (even "just to recheck my bag") and you won't be able to get your bag in New Delhi and recheck it for the next flight. This goes for connecting flights on AI and 9W etc.  Israeli Travel agents are trying to get a directive to the Check-in Agents in TLV 9.  Current situation is that some "sure no problem" others "I don't know how to do that"

The above is based on a few calls over the past 3 days including a passenger who spend almost 2 hours begging in DEL (luckily had a long layover) for the ground staff to find her bag and re-tag it.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on March 28, 2018, 07:38:10 AM
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-El-Al-petitions-High-Court-on-Air-India-Delhi-flights-1001229684

Hebrew version of the article is longer.

Essentially LY is resorting to legal action, rather than trying to compete on product or service.

I acknowledge that they are at a competitive disadvantage, but rather than figure out how to get a competitive advantage where they can, while working quietly to resolve the disadvantage, they go to court.

ETA: Here's an option piece (in Hebrew) which is essentially saying what I am saying: https://www.themarker.com/consumer/tourism/1.5956766
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on March 28, 2018, 08:09:35 AM
https://www.timesofisrael.com/german-plane-collides-with-el-al-jet-on-tel-aviv-tarmac-no-injuries/

http://m.jpost.com/Israel-News/WATCH-Two-planes-in-on-groud-collision-at-Ben-Gurion-Airport-547301
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on March 28, 2018, 11:05:36 AM


Essentially LY is resorting to legal action, rather than trying to compete on product or service.

You serious?!?!
90% of people (especially in Y) wouldn't even consider taking a flight 2 hours longer. No "product" or "service" will make any difference here.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shapsam on March 28, 2018, 11:10:40 AM

You serious?!?!
90% of people (especially in Y) wouldn't even consider taking a flight 2 hours longer. No "product" or "service" will make any difference here.
Most people wouldn't even know that LY's flight is 2 hours longer.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on March 28, 2018, 11:15:31 AM
Most people wouldn't even know that LY's flight is 2 hours longer.
I'm just going to assume you're joking
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shapsam on March 28, 2018, 11:40:08 AM
I'm just going to assume you're joking
Nope.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on March 28, 2018, 12:35:48 PM
Nope.
Well, then your underestimation of peoples intelligence is almost insulting
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shapsam on March 28, 2018, 01:01:02 PM
Well, then your underestimation of peoples intelligence is almost insulting
Nothing to do with intelligence, most people Aren't on DDF or any other travel forum/blog.
Next time your in TLV, ask anyone checking in for that flight if they know that its 2 hours longer than Air India.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on March 28, 2018, 01:06:49 PM
Nothing to do with intelligence, most people Aren't on DDF or any other travel forum/blog.
Next time your in TLV, ask anyone checking in for that flight if they know that its 2 hours longer than Air India.
1) This is discussed everywhere. From travel forums to News sites to Kol Mevaser......
2) I'm a travel agent. Most people are not as spaced-out as you think.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Dan on March 28, 2018, 01:09:04 PM
I'm with @shopsam.
As a DDF member or TA you are literally in the .01%.
A typical pax has no clue unless you tell them.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 28, 2018, 01:10:08 PM
Air India's flight and the political ramifications were widely reported in the Israeli media and a large portion of travelers are aware of it
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Dan on March 28, 2018, 01:10:46 PM
Air India's flight and the political ramifications were widely reported in the Israeli media and a large portion of travelers are aware of it
Define large portion...
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on March 28, 2018, 01:22:05 PM
Define large portion...
Far more than .01%....
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Dan on March 28, 2018, 01:23:48 PM
Far more than .01%....

Of course. But no way is it more than a third IMHO. Even that is being generous.

We're the nerds that know that United flies a 772 and a 77W from EWR to TLV, but most do not know and do not care.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on March 28, 2018, 06:15:25 PM

You serious?!?!
90% of people (especially in Y) wouldn't even consider taking a flight 2 hours longer. No "product" or "service" will make any difference here.
Which is why so many NYC-TLV economy seats are sold on PS, SU and TK (and to a slight lesser degree AZ).  ::)

And also many people (mostly Israelis, or elderly people) pay a premium for LY on the NYC-TLV route despite the fact that the product is inferior to DL and UA.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on March 28, 2018, 08:11:39 PM
Of course. But no way is it more than a third IMHO. Even that is being generous.

We're the nerds that know that United flies a 772 and a 77W from EWR to TLV, but most do not know and do not care.
About the difference of the 772 to 77W, correct. But a 2 hr flight time difference, which can easily be seen when selecting flights and has been repeatedly discussed all over Israeli media, goes quite a bit further than us nerds
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Dan on March 28, 2018, 08:12:52 PM
About the difference of the 772 to 77W, correct. But a 2 hr flight time difference, which can easily be seen when selecting flights and has been repeatedly discussed all over Israeli media, goes quite a bit further than us nerds
772-77W=.01%
Flight time discrepancy=33%
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on March 28, 2018, 08:22:42 PM


Which is why so many NYC-TLV economy seats are sold on PS, SU and TK (and to a slight lesser degree AZ).  ::)

Nobody is flying the extra hours here because of better service or better product. Anyone flying these airlines, are flying them primarily because they are much cheaper than the rest.
So do you expect LY to attract their clients by lowering prices when they are the ones who have significantly higher operating costs, due to their longer route?



And also many people (mostly Israelis, or elderly people) pay a premium for LY on the NYC-TLV route despite the fact that the product is inferior to DL and UA.
-1
Most often LY is the cheapest non-stop option on this route, because they have the most available space on the route. UA and DL also fill most of their space from connections across the country while I believe that LY flights are filled mostly by passengers checking-in in NY.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on March 28, 2018, 08:24:46 PM
772-77W=.01%
Flight time discrepancy=33%
I'll agree on that :)
But is 33% not enough a reason to take legal action?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Dan on March 28, 2018, 08:28:00 PM
I'll agree on that :)
But is 33% not enough a reason to take legal action?
All I'm saying is that most people don't know. I don't have a problem with LY fighting for this one.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 30, 2018, 08:42:25 AM
For years  LY was paying AI not to operate the route

https://www.themarker.com/markerweek/1.5961339?utm_medium=daily_story_hp&utm_source=Mako&utm_campaign=TM_Article

Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shapsam on March 30, 2018, 10:38:38 AM
For years  LY was paying AI not to operate the route

https://www.themarker.com/markerweek/1.5961339?utm_medium=daily_story_hp&utm_source=Mako&utm_campaign=TM_Article
Whoa! can't they face criminal charges now even though the Israeli gov was in on it at the time?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on April 03, 2018, 09:07:03 AM
https://www.themarker.com/news/aviation/1.5974100

Hebrew article.

Talks about ELAL'S hypocrisy in trying to block Air India flights over Saudi airspace. When for years they paid Air India in order not to fly to TLV, as well as other anti-competitive practices related to codeshare agreements and marketing.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shapsam on April 03, 2018, 11:27:58 AM
For years  LY was paying AI not to operate the route

https://www.themarker.com/markerweek/1.5961339?utm_medium=daily_story_hp&utm_source=Mako&utm_campaign=TM_Article


https://www.themarker.com/news/aviation/1.5974100

Hebrew article.

Talks about ELAL'S hypocrisy in trying to block Air India flights over Saudi airspace. When for years they paid Air India in order not to fly to TLV, as well as other anti-competitive practices related to codeshare agreements and marketing.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: aygart on April 03, 2018, 11:27:26 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/04/03/jewish-people-have-a-right-to-their-own-land-saudi-crown-prince-says-as-charm-offensive-continues/?utm_term=.aead80cad6b3
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: mgarfin on April 04, 2018, 02:33:15 PM
 LATAM starting in December to Santiago with a stop in So Paulo

https://www.latam.com/en_us/press-room/releases/LATAM_plans_to_serve_Tel_Aviv_in_2018/
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on April 05, 2018, 12:22:57 PM
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001230491

Hebrew article. TK opening up bag drop lanes for people who self check in @TLV. Also mentions some stats about TK (9 daily flights to/from TLV, 1MM pax per year!)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: mgarfin on April 05, 2018, 03:21:35 PM
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001230491

Hebrew article. TK opening up bag drop lanes for people who self check in @TLV. Also mentions some stats about TK (9 daily flights to/from TLV, 1MM pax per year!)

How do they control overweight?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yitrap on April 05, 2018, 03:25:35 PM
How do they control overweight?
Probably the same way everyone else does, computer won't print the tag unless the weight is under.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Baglach on April 09, 2018, 12:30:31 AM
For years  LY was paying AI not to operate the route

https://www.themarker.com/markerweek/1.5961339?utm_medium=daily_story_hp&utm_source=Mako&utm_campaign=TM_Article

http://m.jpost.com/Israel-News/Culture/THE-TRAVEL-ADVISOR-The-chutzpah-of-El-Al-549104/amp
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Cashman on April 09, 2018, 12:51:27 PM
Does anyone know why LY 26 was combined with LY 22 ?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on April 11, 2018, 02:18:36 AM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-airspace/eurocontrol-warns-airlines-of-possible-missile-strikes-into-syria-idUSKBN1HI01E

I am thinking that this might impact flights into and out of TLV.

Additionally, AF strike isn't doing good for seat inventory on European flights.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chff on April 11, 2018, 03:56:07 PM
https://blog.flightradar24.com/blog/easa-notification-regarding-flights-in-the-eastern-mediterranean/
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on April 12, 2018, 02:48:08 PM
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-chinas-hainan-airlines-cancels-flights-after-missile-warning-1001231556

https://www.calcalistech.com/ctech/articles/0,7340,L-3736013,00.html
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Abey on April 12, 2018, 11:06:25 PM
Dont know if this is new, but I noticed air Europa has 787 on some days which gives another lie flat option to tlv....
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: hvaces42 on April 12, 2018, 11:37:26 PM
Dont know if this is new, but I noticed air Europa has 787 on some days which gives another lie flat option to tlv....
$500+ YQ with FB. Bookable with ?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: GAM Z. on April 12, 2018, 11:59:24 PM
Dont know if this is new, but I noticed air Europa has 787 on some days which gives another lie flat option to tlv....
Where do they fly from?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on April 13, 2018, 12:56:45 AM
$500+ YQ with FB. Bookable with ?
Not only with FB, it's the same high YQ on other Skyteam programs.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Abey on April 13, 2018, 11:25:16 AM
$500+ YQ with FB. Bookable with ?
Not only with FB, it's the same high YQ on other Skyteam programs.
Could still be worth it , since when I checked segments on fb there was good availability....
Didnt come up when searching jfk-tlv
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Abey on April 13, 2018, 11:26:12 AM
Where do they fly from?
Giyf
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Abey on April 13, 2018, 11:28:46 AM
Anyone ever booked this ? Or tried ?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chevron on April 13, 2018, 01:09:21 PM
Hi,
I am looking for a creative trip route returning to MIA. Sunday june 10. I was thinking TLV - Italy, Italy to MIA via LIS. Bit of a schlep though i'd love to hack in a short trip in italy .

It comes out cheaper than TLV to MIA which any ways has a stopover etc. Any tips or suggestions ? thanks!
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chevron on April 15, 2018, 03:15:31 PM
BUMP
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on April 16, 2018, 02:34:42 PM
Still a little premature to celebrate, but if this takes off and becomes widespread, I might look into this when I go to TLV and travel light.

https://www.themarker.com/dynamo/cars/1.6008648
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on April 16, 2018, 10:45:05 PM
Some foreign language sources here.

Transavia starting 2x week seasonal AMS-VDA service in November (subsidized by ministry of tourism).

https://www.themarker.com/consumer/tourism/1.6009031

ASL France starting 2x week CDG-TLV flights with aggressive pricing. Schedule is currently only for July, but they expect to extend it.

http://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001231118

XL Airways (which up until now only published point to point fares) announced its first connecting fare for TLV-NYC via CDG (A330).

http://www.air-journal.fr/2018-02-06-xl-airways-ouvre-les-correspondances-entre-tel-aviv-et-les-usa-5194218.html
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chff on April 17, 2018, 12:25:27 AM

XL Airways (which up until now only published point to point fares) announced its first connecting fare for TLV-NYC via CDG (A330).

http://www.air-journal.fr/2018-02-06-xl-airways-ouvre-les-correspondances-entre-tel-aviv-et-les-usa-5194218.html

See the date from this post https://blog.wandr.me/2017/09/xl-airways-connect-new-york-city-tel-aviv-israel/
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on April 17, 2018, 11:52:05 AM
See the date from this post https://blog.wandr.me/2017/09/xl-airways-connect-new-york-city-tel-aviv-israel/

I guess I missed that one, but the French article has additional information such as prices starting at $635 RT including 1pc of luggage (could that be a catalyst for some of the low summer fares we are seeing NYC-TLV?).
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Something Fishy on April 24, 2018, 06:13:24 PM
MNL-TLV possibly coming.

http://business.inquirer.net/249785/pal-likely-open-direct-flight-tel-aviv
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on April 24, 2018, 06:17:28 PM
MNL-TLV possibly coming.

http://business.inquirer.net/249785/pal-likely-open-direct-flight-tel-aviv

Definitely a significant market for such a route IMHO. Lot's of Phillipinos work in Israel (it's the term used for a caregiver), religious pilgrimage can be a huge market, and I can see Israelis flying there for business or as a stopover on the way onward to the South Pacific.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on April 26, 2018, 11:56:06 AM
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-hainan-airlines-to-launch-tel-aviv-guangzhou-flights-in-august-1001233205
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: zow on April 28, 2018, 11:29:12 PM
Trying to book LY in Y:
11/18 BOS-TLV
11/25 TLV-BOS

Showing as $849 in Google Flights Calendar (as it does for many other date options in that general time period), but for this particular date, when I click through to elal.com or OTAs, it jumps to $1000.  Is it some kind of "phantom" fare?  Is there any way to get the $849 fare?
Maybe one of our TA's out there could help? If so, please PM me. Thanks.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Abey on April 28, 2018, 11:44:24 PM
Trying to book LY in Y:
11/18 BOS-TLV
11/25 TLV-BOS

Showing as $849 in Google Flights Calendar (as it does for many other date options in that general time period), but for this particular date, when I click through to elal.com or OTAs, it jumps to $1000.  Is it some kind of "phantom" fare?  Is there any way to get the $849 fare?
Maybe one of our TA's out there could help? If so, please PM me. Thanks.
You looking for the direct ly only ? Got $939 here https://www.skyscanner.co.il/transport/flights/bos/tela/181118/181125?adults=1&children=0&adultsv2=1&childrenv2=&infants=0&cabinclass=economy&rtn=1&preferdirects=false&outboundaltsenabled=false&inboundaltsenabled=false&ref=home#results
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Kabrams1618 on April 29, 2018, 12:00:22 AM
What is the best business class experience using aa miles to Europe out of tel aviv. Also to far east.
No air jordan.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: elya on April 29, 2018, 12:05:33 AM


No air jordan.
Come again?!?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: davidrotts63 on April 29, 2018, 12:06:47 AM
Come again?!?
I think it was a sneaker reference. Maybe he doesn't want a far walk to the plane... 🤷
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shapsam on April 29, 2018, 12:11:48 AM
Trying to book LY in Y:
11/18 BOS-TLV
11/25 TLV-BOS

Showing as $849 in Google Flights Calendar (as it does for many other date options in that general time period), but for this particular date, when I click through to elal.com or OTAs, it jumps to $1000.  Is it some kind of "phantom" fare?  Is there any way to get the $849 fare?
Maybe one of our TA's out there could help? If so, please PM me. Thanks.
The problem is the return (no more U class available), it can take some time to update on GF.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Kabrams1618 on April 29, 2018, 01:20:08 AM
To clarify, I would like to know the best business class experience out of tel aviv to Europe and the far east  utilizing Aa points  however I am not interested in flying royal jordanian.  I know that limits me but that is what I am looking for.  Open to any location.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on April 29, 2018, 02:01:04 AM
To clarify, I would like to know the best business class experience out of tel aviv to Europe and the far east  utilizing Aa points  however I am not interested in flying royal jordanian.  I know that limits me but that is what I am looking for.  Open to any location.
The only option to the Far East without a hop to AMM is Cathay.
To Europe you have basically Iberia and BA with YQ. Most flights to EU don't have real business so usually better off with revenue in coach.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Baglach on April 29, 2018, 02:01:40 AM
To clarify, I would like to know the best business class experience out of tel aviv to Europe and the far east  utilizing Aa points  however I am not interested in flying royal jordanian.  I know that limits me but that is what I am looking for.  Open to any location.
CX to HKG 40K AA
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Abey on April 29, 2018, 02:03:29 AM
The only option to the Far East without a hop to AMM is Cathay.
To Europe you have basically Iberia and BA with YQ. Most flights to EU don't have real business so usually better off with revenue in coach.
Ba and ib have real business also lx and air Europa some days
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on April 29, 2018, 02:05:41 AM
Ba and ib have real business also lx and air Europa some days
That's why I listed those 2 as opposed to the other options. He asked for the best, not all. The others you mentioned aren't OneWorld.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Abey on April 29, 2018, 02:07:51 AM
That's why I listed those 2 as opposed to the other options. He asked for the best, not all. The others you mentioned aren't OneWorld.
Ow to Europe is basically only ba and ib correct. Btw yq is not terrible to Europe
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: zow on April 29, 2018, 07:54:37 AM
The problem is the return (no more U class available), it can take some time to update on GF.
You looking for the direct ly only ? Got $939 here https://www.skyscanner.co.il/transport/flights/bos/tela/181118/181125?adults=1&children=0&adultsv2=1&childrenv2=&infants=0&cabinclass=economy&rtn=1&preferdirects=false&outboundaltsenabled=false&inboundaltsenabled=false&ref=home#results

Thanks.
I know I can connect in Europe on LH, LX or TK for under $900. I was asking specifically the nonstop in LY.   

What is the chance that LY will release more U class seats? Or is more likely that the G class seats will also disappear and the price will jump even higher?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: zow on April 29, 2018, 07:59:33 PM
flyus.com must be a not-so-well-known OTA.
They are offering the LY BOS-TLV RT I mentioned above for $850. Everywhere else it's $1000.
What's the downside of booking through them?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shapsam on April 29, 2018, 08:02:23 PM
flyus.com must be a not-so-well-known OTA.
They are offering the LY BOS-TLV RT I mentioned above for $850. Everywhere else it's $1000.
What's the downside of booking through them?
If they get it ticketed you should be fine.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: zow on April 29, 2018, 08:03:25 PM
If they get it ticketed you should be fine.
Ok, I'll give it a try.
Thank you.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Abey on April 29, 2018, 08:06:20 PM
flyus.com must be a not-so-well-known OTA.
They are offering the LY BOS-TLV RT I mentioned above for $850. Everywhere else it's $1000.
What's the downside of booking through them?
On sky scanner link theres one for 939 although this is cheaper
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: zow on April 29, 2018, 08:11:58 PM
Ok, I'll give it a try.
Thank you.
Really irritating.
After entering all my info, incl. CC, it fails with "flight no longer available."
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on April 30, 2018, 11:54:29 AM
Really irritating.
After entering all my info, incl. CC, it fails with "flight no longer available."
Perhaps that's why it's a not-so-well-known OTA. It obviously was no longer available at that price, but they just weren't yet updated...
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: jose34 on April 30, 2018, 01:18:21 PM
I feel like you find that with a lot of cheap websites in which you'll find a cheaper price online and then you will go to try to book and it wont be available anymore.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on April 30, 2018, 09:54:17 PM
El Al new branded fares to Europe (started today) now allows one-way bookings to Europe!
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shapsam on April 30, 2018, 09:55:23 PM
El Al new branded fares to Europe (started today) now allows one-way bookings to Europe!
Including London?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on April 30, 2018, 10:08:20 PM
Including London?
Yes
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: hvaces42 on April 30, 2018, 10:11:00 PM
Yes
$828 OW for the day I'm looking at!!!  :o
$617 RT
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on April 30, 2018, 10:14:08 PM
$828 OW for the day I'm looking at!!!  :o
$617 RT
Date?
This is for flights on/after Oct 15
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: hvaces42 on April 30, 2018, 10:21:49 PM
Date?
This is for flights on/after Oct 15
Mid-June
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on April 30, 2018, 10:30:27 PM
Mid-June
There's your answer
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shapsam on April 30, 2018, 10:59:59 PM
After 10/15, a one way to LHR/LTN is about $250 and RT is $360. Was a RT ever so cheap?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on April 30, 2018, 11:35:11 PM
After 10/15, a one way to LHR/LTN is about $250 and RT is $360. Was a RT ever so cheap?
The new branded fares is to try to compete (or survive) with the LCC's
These "lite" fares don't include free checked bags
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chff on May 01, 2018, 12:47:30 AM
The new branded fares is to try to compete (or survive) with the LCC's
These "lite" fares don't include free checked bags
LCCs? All legacy carrier now offers it
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on May 01, 2018, 04:33:58 AM
LCCs? All legacy carrier now offers it
1) Not to TLV. Only in Europe. (Besides LO and SN)
2) The other Legacy carriers also did it to be able to compete with the LCC's
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shapsam on May 01, 2018, 01:33:17 PM
AF is supposed to have a strike 05/03-05/08, I just got a ticket rebooked on DL TLV-JFK in M class and the AF flight wasn't even canceled yet.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yelped on May 01, 2018, 01:51:04 PM
Who did you speak to? Who booked it?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shapsam on May 01, 2018, 01:58:31 PM
Who did you speak to? Who booked it?
Was booked on by a OTA but I spoke to AF directly.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yelped on May 01, 2018, 02:05:44 PM
Was booked on by a OTA but I spoke to AF directly.
I meant which carrier was it booked under.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shapsam on May 01, 2018, 02:08:43 PM
I meant which carrier was it booked under.
AF, 057 ticket number.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yelped on May 01, 2018, 03:12:29 PM
Thanks for the DP.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Kabrams1618 on May 01, 2018, 11:53:00 PM
Which is a better product in business class from tlv to Europe, flying ba or iberia?  Why?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on May 02, 2018, 06:46:59 AM
Which is a better product in business class from tlv to Europe, flying ba or iberia?  Why?

Aircraft on each?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: tavster on May 02, 2018, 12:21:57 PM
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-katz-i-believe-israeli-carriers-will-fly-over-saudi-arabia-1001234092
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Kabrams1618 on May 02, 2018, 11:01:01 PM
On iberia business class from tlv  to europe it would be  a 332 and 321 aircrafts.  On ba it would be 777 and 320.  Which is better, any fully reclining  seats.  Which is best experience?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on May 03, 2018, 07:27:20 AM
On iberia business class from tlv  to europe it would be  a 332 and 321 aircrafts.  On ba it would be 777 and 320.  Which is better, any fully reclining  seats.  Which is best experience?

IB a330 would be best.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Kabrams1618 on May 04, 2018, 12:48:58 AM
How can i book a flight to bern switzerland using aa points?  I cant even get Bern to show up on the aa or ba  websites.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Emkay on May 04, 2018, 12:56:01 AM
How can i book a flight to bern switzerland using aa points?  I cant even get Bern to show up on the aa or ba  websites.
You can't, no partners fly there.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: DansDealsLover on May 09, 2018, 01:28:21 PM
HELP NEEDED: I'm looking for someone with a paid subscription to Flightstats or another way to get historical data on United flight departure times. STORY: I was supposed to fly on UA90 on 3/21 to TLV but was delayed to the airport because of the blizzard. I was denied boarding due to "missed flight" when in fact the flight was delayed until 1.23am that night as I was advised by United on that night. When claiming for compensation, agent is denying flight was delayed. What's the best way to prove I'm right?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Abey on May 11, 2018, 05:19:12 PM
In reference to air Europa as I mentioned upthread. Experimented today and found this, fb website is just crap, pricing on calendar doesnt match nor does availability. Anyway I found tlv-jfk on ux for 62 k +$220 yq it didnt show up when I searched business only when searching economy 🤨 it wasnt on the day they fly the 787 and the first leg was on y it also had the details messed up , showed tlv-mad as 8:30 flight time and mad-jfk 5:00.
Point? Flying blue is messed up , but when playing around I believe you can score a good deal ex tlv on lie flat the whole way
If anyone has any more experience please share
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Kempmill on May 13, 2018, 08:05:23 AM
HELP NEEDED: I'm looking for someone with a paid subscription to Flightstats or another way to get historical data on United flight departure times. STORY: I was supposed to fly on UA90 on 3/21 to TLV but was delayed to the airport because of the blizzard. I was denied boarding due to "missed flight" when in fact the flight was delayed until 1.23am that night as I was advised by United on that night. When claiming for compensation, agent is denying flight was delayed. What's the best way to prove I'm right?

Try flightaware. It's free. That flight left at 2:13 AM, over 3 hours late.

Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on May 22, 2018, 12:59:32 PM
Apparently ELAL might be having second thoughts about SFO.

https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-5267529,00.html

(sorry, couldn't find English source).
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on May 22, 2018, 01:22:52 PM
Apparently ELAL might be having second thoughts about SFO.

https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-5267529,00.html

(sorry, couldn't find English source).
Assuming it was only announced for Maimon to be able to add to his list of accomplishments. Now that he's out, it's time to get real...
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shapsam on May 22, 2018, 01:30:24 PM
Apparently ELAL might be having second thoughts about SFO.

https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-5267529,00.html

(sorry, couldn't find English source).
https://www.dansdeals.com/airfare-deals/israel-flights/united-strikes-back-el-al/

"Will Uniteds move in San Francisco cause El Al to bail on the route before it even begins?"
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on May 22, 2018, 01:33:48 PM
https://www.dansdeals.com/airfare-deals/israel-flights/united-strikes-back-el-al/

"Will Uniteds move in San Francisco cause El Al to bail on the route before it even begins?"
Problem with that prophecy, is that UA will be operating the 788 again, by the time El Al launches the route
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on May 22, 2018, 01:44:01 PM
Problem with that prophecy, is that UA will be operating the 788 again, by the time El Al launches the route
That will definitely depend on demand. But UA has several built in advantages at SFO over LY. Can't figure out the strategy of fighting UA where they already have an established route, rather than beating them with ORD service (even though UA has built-in advantages there too, but at least they haven't established the route yet).
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on May 22, 2018, 01:49:33 PM
That will definitely depend on demand. But UA has several built in advantages at SFO over LY. Can't figure out the strategy of fighting UA where they already have an established route, rather than beating them with ORD service (even though UA has built-in advantages there too, but at least they haven't established the route yet).
Not disagreeing. Just explaining that El Als backing out has nothing to do with UA putting the 77w on the route, but rather because it probably didn't make much sense to begin with.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on May 22, 2018, 01:55:55 PM
Re ORD, being that LY has 2 destinations on the west coast, and 5 destinations on the east coast, they don't have much to gain in the center, other than to stop UA from taking the route (which doesn't necessarily make it worthwhile)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on May 22, 2018, 01:58:10 PM
Re ORD, being that LY has 2 destinations on the west coast, and 5 destinations on the east coast, they don't have much to gain in the center, other than to stop UA from taking the route (which doesn't necessarily make it worthwhile)
In other words, I don't think there's enough non-stop traffic from ORD that it's worth adding just another option for connections.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: tavster on May 22, 2018, 07:32:34 PM
(sorry, couldn't find English source).

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/business/el-al-may-delay-november-launch-of-tel-aviv-san-francisco-service-1.6112477
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chff on May 22, 2018, 09:12:58 PM
At least UA started paying Corp commission on this route...
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: tavster on May 23, 2018, 07:08:28 AM
According to local press the launch is delayed until May 2019
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Dan on May 23, 2018, 07:12:25 AM
Link?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: tavster on May 23, 2018, 07:17:50 AM
https://m.calcalist.co.il/Article.aspx?guid=3738687
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on May 23, 2018, 07:24:25 AM
https://m.calcalist.co.il/Article.aspx?guid=3738687
Interesting that they note the lack of aircraft as the main reason (in addition to struggling with the competition). They also pushed off switching LY 1 to the 787-9 until April and the additional Newark flights next winter will be operated by a 777. So it does seem like they're short on Dreamliner aircraft.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on May 23, 2018, 07:55:28 AM
Confirmed. Availability on LY to SFO shows all zero until May 13.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chff on May 23, 2018, 01:13:20 PM
Email now

Quote
Dear partner,
 
EL AL wishes to inform you that the launch of the new route to San Francisco will be postponed to May 2019 due to unforeseen operational reasons.
 
The airline will take care of all passengers who purchased flight tickets for the period of postponement.
 
Sincerely,
 
North America Team
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on May 26, 2018, 11:13:08 PM
British Airways in this weeks schedule update is adjusting operational aircraft on London Heathrow Tel Aviv route, for winter 2018/19 season. From 28OCT18, BA163/162 will be operated by a mix of 787-8/-9, replacing 777-200ER.

BA165 LHR0805 1450TLV 777 D
BA163 LHR2035 0320+1TLV 789 6
BA163 LHR2035 0320+1TLV 788 x6

BA162 TLV0725 1050LHR 789 7
BA162 TLV0735 1100LHR 788 x347
BA162 TLV0740 1105LHR 788 34
BA164 TLV1645 2005LHR 777 D
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: cdlaz on May 27, 2018, 09:52:24 AM
El Al have started a 30 trial of Salad or a Sandwich on select flights.
DME-TLV on Friday was offered a chicken Sandwich or Spelt salad in Y class
Wasn't too hungry (had some local Russain KSML in the lounge) + fruit - so the salad + drinks were fine.  Wasn't offered the usual crackers (Abadi) with my drink...

FYI https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-5271908,00.html#autoplay in Hebrew
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on May 29, 2018, 06:41:40 PM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-29/israel-s-10-billion-island-project-sparks-european-interest
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: davidmal on May 30, 2018, 02:28:57 PM
Wiki Updated

Great list!
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on May 30, 2018, 04:57:05 PM
Wiki Updated

Great list!

How times have changed:

For example, I had no idea that Korean Air has a direct flight to ICN from TLV a few days every week. Anyone ever take this route?
Never took, but booked many people there.

The only airline flying direct to Asia besides LY.
Though now it's missing from the wiki.

IINM there are additional Turkish cities with service to /from TLV such as AYT by Pegasus. Also GYD (almost the same language language :) ) by Azerbaijan.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shapsam on May 30, 2018, 05:16:26 PM
Wiki Updated

Great list!
Ukraine
Kiev: Ukraine Intl, Elal
Odessa: Ukraine Intl, Elal (Sun Dor)
Zaporizhia: Ukraine Intl
Vinnytzia: Ukraine Intl
Lvov: Ukraine Intl
Kharkiv: Ukraine Intl
Dnipropetrovsk: Ukraine Intl
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on May 30, 2018, 05:47:33 PM
Russia
SVO
LED
ROV

all served by SU

Not sure where LY flies to, but they definitely have service to Moscow. And I believe other Russian cities also have service (not sure which airline, but recall hearing arrival/departure announcements on TLV PA system.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on May 30, 2018, 07:04:23 PM
Russia
SVO
LED
ROV

all served by SU

Not sure where LY flies to, but they definitely have service to Moscow. And I believe other Russian cities also have service (not sure which airline, but recall hearing arrival/departure announcements on TLV PA system.
El Al flies to DME (Moscow)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on May 30, 2018, 07:10:52 PM
El Al flies to DME (Moscow)
Don't really follow LY, I just knew they did when I was trying to see if S7 flies to TLV and found out that they codeshare with LY.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: travel agent on May 31, 2018, 01:31:35 PM
LY cancelled  double daily flight to EWR from Oct .28
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: tavster on May 31, 2018, 01:58:59 PM
LY cancelled  double daily flight to EWR from Oct .28
I would assume this is due to the 767 being taken off earlier than planned.. they would have to make up for some of these routes (Boston, Johannesburg)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Dan on May 31, 2018, 02:41:05 PM
LY cancelled  double daily flight to EWR from Oct .28
https://www.dansdeals.com/points-travel/airlines/airline-news/el-al-new-787-routes-route-launch-cancellation-end-747-first-class-dates-sandwiches-instead-meals-fix-ails/
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: tavster on May 31, 2018, 02:50:48 PM
Missed that..

How are they going to make up for the 767 routes? Use wet-leased planes?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on May 31, 2018, 03:00:49 PM
I would assume this is due to the 767 being taken off earlier than planned.. they would have to make up for some of these routes (Boston, Johannesburg)
Or just due to the new CEO who's such an idiot, he makes Smisek and David Maimon look good.
How can he judge lack of sales on a route (SFO) 6 months in advance of the first flight? Most flights don't start to fill until minimum 3-4 months before the flight....
Cutting TA commissions when it's no secret that they're the ones who have been pushing their product all along even when they had terrible aircraft etc...
Raising prices twice in a single month on their most valuable route, in addition to increasing change and refund fees...
Does this guy really think this will save El Al from their crisis? DL and UA exTLV are now $1000 (lowest fare), while El Al is $1089 (lowest fare). If the TAs aren't getting commissions, who exactly will be pushing their product over the competition?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on May 31, 2018, 03:54:32 PM
Does this guy really think this will save El Al from their crisis? DL and UA exTLV are now $1000 (lowest fare), while El Al is $1089 (lowest fare). If the TAs aren't getting commissions, who exactly will be pushing their product over the competition?

I don't think $1,089 vs $1,000 is uncompetitive. There's an old saying: when you compete on price you automatically lose. The key is to offer a better (even if perceived) value proposition. For some, LY offers it no matter what, but for many it's nothing but a bad deal. That's the problem they need to overcome IMHO.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on May 31, 2018, 04:05:13 PM
I don't think $1,089 vs $1,000 is uncompetitive. There's an old saying: when you compete on price you automatically lose. The key is to offer a better (even if perceived) value proposition. For some, LY offers it no matter what, but for many it's nothing but a bad deal. That's the problem they need to overcome IMHO.
We're not talking about lowering prices to compete (even though, in the airline industry, it's all about price matching. Look domestic US). El Al was charging $1019 in the beginning of the month. Then it went $1059, and then $1089. (Not even gonna discuss the much bigger jumps in PE. At least over there, they don't have competition. [Delta, pleeeeeease come to the rescue...?]) Usually UA and DL follow them with the price increases/decreases. This time, they didn't. But if they think they will fill the 44m hole from the last quarter by raising prices and cutting commissions and routes and additional flights (to EWR), they're mistaken. I think this CEO is one big mistake (just MHO...)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Baglach on June 01, 2018, 03:49:53 AM
We're not talking about lowering prices to compete (even though, in the airline industry, it's all about price matching. Look domestic US). El Al was charging $1019 in the beginning of the month. Then it went $1059, and then $1089. (Not even gonna discuss the much bigger jumps in PE. At least over there, they don't have competition. [Delta, pleeeeeease come to the rescue...?]) Usually UA and DL follow them with the price increases/decreases. This time, they didn't. But if they think they will fill the 44m hole from the last quarter by raising prices and cutting commissions and routes and additional flights (to EWR), they're mistaken. I think this CEO is one big mistake (just MHO...)

Cutting commissions was the worst move for them most agents I work with try pushing elal because of their 5% once that's gone they will have no reason to sell LY product
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shimino1 on June 01, 2018, 06:41:25 AM
I find the comments about TA's pushing ELAL due to their commissions stomach churning.
I never pushed ELAL over a better competitor and in fact I got many costumers to try other airlines that offered a better price/product.
Some of my costumers used to be die hard ELAL fans and now hardly fly with them.
I will push what is best for the client, not the company!
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on June 06, 2018, 03:22:36 PM
Not sure if this belongs here as it's only a connection option ex-TLV, but still something:


https://www.globes.co.il/en/article-el-al-to-codeshare-with-hong-kong-airlines-1001239806
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: zagguru on June 11, 2018, 06:05:32 PM
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/british-airways-executive-club/1913813-mistake-fare-lhr-tlv.html
Title: New! Direct flights Tlv to Sau Paulo
Post by: gold on June 12, 2018, 06:29:47 AM
https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-5285184,00.html#autoplay
Title: Re: New! Direct flights Tlv to Sau Paulo
Post by: Yaalili on June 12, 2018, 07:19:24 AM
https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-5285184,00.html#autoplay

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=30483.msg1828160#msg1828160
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on June 12, 2018, 07:45:04 AM
Im taking an 8:05 am flight ex-TLV on AF. When would be the earliest I could check my bags?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: nafnaf12 on June 12, 2018, 11:31:56 AM
Im taking an 8:05 am flight ex-TLV on AF. When would be the earliest I could check my bags?
not sure about AF. But United is 3hrs before departure
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on June 12, 2018, 12:51:55 PM
not sure about AF. But United is 3hrs before departure

Thanks. And how about the first security?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: nafnaf12 on June 12, 2018, 12:59:24 PM
Thanks. And how about the first security?
this is what it looked like 3:25 min before United's night  flight.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on June 12, 2018, 02:21:02 PM
this is what it looked like 3:25 min before United's night  flight.

Same scene last Thursday right before 5pm. But I was too chicken to take a picture.

What I want to know is how to maximize my time before the flight airside. My AirFrance flight is at 8:05, and I want to daven in the shul, get breakfast, and do some work in the lounge before my flight.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: zow on June 12, 2018, 02:56:25 PM
LY changed departure time on November TLV-BOS from 00:05 to 00:30, with no change to arrival time, 05:15.

What is the probability I can leverage this schedule change to get El Al to refund difference in fare (dropped from $1139 to $956) or allow me to cancel and rebook?




Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: farmbochur on June 12, 2018, 03:22:34 PM
Worked for me on Delta for a PIT-BOS 5 min reduction in blocked time.
Might have to play several hands at the HUCA roulette table.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: zow on June 12, 2018, 03:31:48 PM
Worked for me on Delta for a PIT-BOS 5 min reduction in blocked time.
Might have to play several hands at the HUCA roulette table.
Ok. Will try.  Thanks. 
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: AsherO on June 12, 2018, 06:45:47 PM
Rumor has it Norwegian will be operating TLV-OSL direct starting 10/31/2018.

If you have any source/link for this rumor please share it here.

ETA source:
http://www.israelhayom.co.il/article/563333
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on June 12, 2018, 07:32:16 PM
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/279071/el-al-w18-boston-aircraft-changes/ - TLV-BOS going from 767 to 777 for the winter.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Dan on June 12, 2018, 07:47:07 PM
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/279071/el-al-w18-boston-aircraft-changes/ - TLV-BOS going from 767 to 777 for the winter.
Poor YYZ.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Dan on June 12, 2018, 07:48:19 PM
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/279071/el-al-w18-boston-aircraft-changes/ - TLV-BOS going from 767 to 777 for the winter.
Why aren't they selling F?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on June 12, 2018, 07:52:19 PM
Poor YYZ.
Strange. In YYZ they have AC with a Dreamliner. In BOS, they don't even have any competition.

Why aren't they selling F?
Interesting point. Maybe they're hoping for an early delivery of the 787-8?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on June 12, 2018, 07:52:54 PM
Poor YYZ.

They always had AC 787, LY 777 cannot compete with that anyway.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: zagguru on June 12, 2018, 10:05:29 PM
Ok. Will try.  Thanks.

Report back on what happens
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on June 13, 2018, 12:38:26 AM
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/68049-kenya-airways-eyes-sudanese-transit-rights-for-israel-ops
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shapsam on June 13, 2018, 12:49:40 AM
Rumor has it Norwegian will be operating TLV-OSL direct starting 10/31/2018.

If you have any source/link for this rumor please share it here.

ETA source:
http://www.israelhayom.co.il/article/563333
Another option from NYC.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: AsherO on June 13, 2018, 06:24:24 AM
Another option from NYC.

Assuming the connection times line up. DY is already an option via ARN.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: hvaces42 on June 13, 2018, 06:52:51 PM
Does LX use the same plane TLV-ZRH and then ZRH-JFK? My son is flying that route now and it seems that they are not even changing the equipment. According to FlightRadar both legs will be tail number HB-JHF. Makes a ton of sense with short connection and many people continuing on anyway for baggage transfers.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: zow on June 13, 2018, 07:15:13 PM
Report back on what happens
First try: no dice. Agent said it would be $250pp to cancel. Can't give refund on difference. She said call back in the morning when a manager is available.
I might try. If I do, will let you all know.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on June 16, 2018, 10:57:57 PM
https://www.colbonews.co.il/real-estate/36025/

Haifa airport seems to have been saved from extinction.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shapsam on June 16, 2018, 11:14:19 PM
https://www.colbonews.co.il/real-estate/36025/

Haifa airport seems to have been saved from extinction.

Aren't there already flights from HFA to LCA?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on June 17, 2018, 11:59:14 AM

Aren't there already flights from HFA to LCA?
There were (maybe still exist), but the airport was slated for closing due to the short runway not being able to accommodate even regional jets.

This news and land swap saves the airport and actually gives it a little more functionality (and better options for Kohanim).
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: outinstyle on June 17, 2018, 04:28:16 PM
Any preference between these two airlines for JFK-TLV?
Both same price.
Just curious which is better?
Ukraine int'l or  Aeroflot
Both allow 2 bags in economy I believe.
Thanks
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on June 17, 2018, 04:34:13 PM
Aeroflot.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on June 17, 2018, 04:38:35 PM
Any preference between these two airlines for JFK-TLV?
Both same price.
Just curious which is better?
Ukraine int'l or  Aeroflot
Both allow 2 bags in economy I believe.
Thanks
Aeroflot flies some widebodies ex-TLV and is a decent airline (haven't flown them in economy, though my sons have).

SVO is a modern airport IME.

I have no experience with Ukraine Int'l or KBP airport.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shapsam on June 17, 2018, 04:53:23 PM
Aeroflot flies some widebodies ex-TLV and is a decent airline (haven't flown them in economy, though my sons have).

SVO is a modern airport IME.

I have no experience with Ukraine Int'l or KBP airport.
Ukraine Intl also flies wide bodies to TLV on some flights and KBP is a pretty modern airport as well.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shapsam on June 17, 2018, 04:53:54 PM
Aeroflot.
I'm not sure what I would rather, but why do you say Aeroflot?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: outinstyle on June 17, 2018, 04:59:00 PM
It's for my son. So luggage allowance, safety and in-flight entertainment are the biggest concerns. He always flew Turkish but the flight is $300 more
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: efflpetzel on June 17, 2018, 06:08:41 PM
It's for my son. So luggage allowance, safety and in-flight entertainment are the biggest concerns. He always flew Turkish but the flight is $300 more
i've flown both.

Aeroflot beats Ukrainian in every category. Its a no brainer, go with them
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on June 17, 2018, 06:17:27 PM
I'm not sure what I would rather, but why do you say Aeroflot?

Know many who have flown both and there are many reviews online of both as well.

Aeroflot beats Ukrainian in every category. Its a no brainer, go with them
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: moish on June 17, 2018, 07:17:42 PM
I, too, liked Aeroflot more
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: tavster on June 18, 2018, 06:07:35 AM
http://en.globes.co.il/en/article-foreign-ministry-move-threatens-israeli-airlines-winter-schedule-1001241863

#WhatAMess
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on June 18, 2018, 06:46:12 AM
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/279164/norwegian-expands-tel-aviv-network-in-w18/

2x weekly Oslo (1 of which is on shabbos) and daily Rome flights being added by Norwegian.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chff on June 18, 2018, 07:36:36 AM
Any preference between these two airlines for JFK-TLV?
Both same price.
Just curious which is better?
Ukraine int'l or  Aeroflot
Both allow 2 bags in economy I believe.
Thanks
Ukraine is shorter flying time, and if you get their 777 you fly on a newer aircraft
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on June 18, 2018, 08:22:56 AM
Aeroflot is one of the hardest airlines to deal with in case of IROPS. Both getting rebooked, and getting compensation.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shapsam on June 18, 2018, 08:48:12 AM
Aeroflot is one of the hardest airlines to deal with in case of IROPS. Both getting rebooked, and getting compensation.
You won't see a dime in compensation from Ukraine but they're pretty good with rebooking in case of IROPS.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: mendyt on June 18, 2018, 09:43:39 AM
Aeroflot is one of the hardest airlines to deal with in case of IROPS. Both getting rebooked, and getting compensation.
I always managed to put pax on LY

You won't see a dime in compensation from Ukraine but they're pretty good with rebooking in case of IROPS.
I got compensation a few times thru their claim department
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shapsam on June 18, 2018, 09:53:01 AM

I got compensation a few times thru their claim department
How can I contact the claim department?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: mendyt on June 18, 2018, 09:56:47 AM
How can I contact the claim department?
Its customer relations customerrelations@flyuia.com
They will send you a form to fill out, once approved they will ask for your bank info and send the money
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on June 18, 2018, 10:00:52 AM


I always managed to put pax on LY

With SU? What were the circumstances?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: mendyt on June 18, 2018, 10:05:18 AM

With SU? What were the circumstances?
Any flight cancelation.
Regular phone reps cant do it. I always put in the flight and either have the PAX go a bit early and gets its ticketed at their ticketing desk, or contact their airport office on phone- but sometimes hard to get thru to them
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on June 18, 2018, 10:24:07 AM
Any flight cancelation.
They cant do it on phone,  I always put in the flight and either have the PAX go a bit early and gets its ticketed at their ticketing desk, or contact their airport office on phone- but sometimes hard to get thru to them
All of which is pretty ridiculous.
I've had PS rebook passengers on LY on the phone (like all other airlines do). I've also had that they would hold up the KBP - TLV flight when the flight from JFK was delayed if a significant percentage of the flight was continuing to TLV. SU refused to hold a flight for a few minutes and left many passengers stranded in Moscow Purim night. On top of that they denied ANY compensation, blatantly lying about bad weather in Moscow. (They were delayed 1.5 hours in NY, and according to Accuweather history, there was 0.2in of snow on that date in Moscow (and no snow before or after either).
But again, none of these are amazing....
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: mendyt on June 18, 2018, 10:28:43 AM
All of which is pretty ridiculous.
I've had PS rebook passengers on LY on the phone (like all other airlines do). I've also had that they would hold up the KBP - TLV flight when the flight from JFK was delayed if a significant percentage of the flight was continuing to TLV. SU refused to hold a flight for a few minutes and left many passengers stranded in Moscow Purim night. On top of that they denied ANY compensation, blatantly lying about bad weather in Moscow. (They were delayed 1.5 hours in NY, and according to Accuweather history, there was 0.2in of snow on that date in Moscow (and no snow before or after either).
But again, none of these are amazing....
I agree that PS is much easier to deal with, but SU is not impossible
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shapsam on June 18, 2018, 11:04:23 AM
All of which is pretty ridiculous.
I've had PS rebook passengers on LY on the phone (like all other airlines do). I've also had that they would hold up the KBP - TLV flight when the flight from JFK was delayed if a significant percentage of the flight was continuing to TLV. SU refused to hold a flight for a few minutes and left many passengers stranded in Moscow Purim night. On top of that they denied ANY compensation, blatantly lying about bad weather in Moscow. (They were delayed 1.5 hours in NY, and according to Accuweather history, there was 0.2in of snow on that date in Moscow (and no snow before or after either).
But again, none of these are amazing....
I recently had PS rebook on DL (M class).
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: eliraps on June 18, 2018, 12:27:37 PM
https://www.dansdeals.com/points-travel/airlines/airline-news/british-airways-not-honoring-london-tel-aviv-fare/

Is there an EU equivalent of DoT that may do something?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Buruch on June 20, 2018, 04:48:42 AM
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/279164/norwegian-expands-tel-aviv-network-in-w18/

2x weekly Oslo (1 of which is on shabbos) and daily Rome flights being added by Norwegian.

Cheapest flights to rome are 80 each way. Ryanair often has for about 55. Let's see if they come down...
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ysilb1 on June 20, 2018, 10:02:37 AM
Have 2 Alitalia Business Class RT tickets JFK-TLV 2 hour stop
1-July 16 return Aug 1
2- Aug 7 return Aug 15
Selling for $1500
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shapsam on June 20, 2018, 10:27:10 AM
Have 2 Alitalia Business Class RT tickets JFK-TLV 2 hour stop
1-July 16 return Aug 1
2- Aug 7 return Aug 15
Selling for $1500
How can you change the name?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shapsam on June 20, 2018, 12:41:34 PM
Why does UA have a 3rd flight EWR-TLV on Yom Kippur 09/19 at 5:05am and returning TLV-EWR motzei Yom Kippur?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: travel agent on June 20, 2018, 01:03:32 PM
Why does UA have a 3rd flight EWR-TLV on Yom Kippur 09/19 at 5:05am and returning TLV-EWR motzei Yom Kippur?

they have it every year, probably because of the demand from TLV, but who is flying on the outbound?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on June 20, 2018, 01:15:21 PM
they have it every year, probably because of the demand from TLV, but who is flying on the outbound?
@ChaimMoskowitz might have the entire cabin to himself and family.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: flyingace on June 20, 2018, 02:59:45 PM
Aeroflot is one of the hardest airlines to deal with in case of IROPS. Both getting rebooked, and getting compensation.
Is Ukraine Air the same, better, or worse than Aeroflot, overall?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: miles lover on June 21, 2018, 04:28:18 AM
Flights in July on ly, jfk- tlv will be 180 degree lie flat ?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ysilb1 on June 21, 2018, 05:38:20 PM
They allow to change the name
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ysilb1 on June 21, 2018, 05:38:57 PM
How can you change the name?
They allow to change the name
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on June 22, 2018, 12:37:45 AM
Is Ukraine Air the same, better, or worse than Aeroflot, overall?

Was just asked above on the 17th.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: tavster on June 24, 2018, 08:39:39 AM
https://www.financialexpress.com/industry/soon-delhi-tel-aviv-non-stop-air-india-flight-daily-as-maharaja-registers-80-occupancy/1218111/
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Baglach on June 25, 2018, 05:19:20 PM
https://m.ynet.co.il/Articles/5296284
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on June 28, 2018, 08:34:16 AM
TLV - RZE weekly Sunday flight from LO now operated by 737 MAX 8
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shapsam on June 28, 2018, 08:38:01 AM
TLV - RZE weekly Sunday flight from LO now operated by 737 MAX 8
Is that good or bad?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on June 28, 2018, 08:45:40 AM
Actually, it's only for July. Aug goes back to 738
Is that good or bad?
Why would that be bad?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Dan on June 28, 2018, 08:47:12 AM
The max is short for max pain.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on June 28, 2018, 08:56:48 AM
The max is short for max pain.
According to SeatGuru the pitch and width are the same as on the 737-800
https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/LOT_Polish_Airlines/LOT_Polish_Airlines_LO_Boeing_737_MAX_8.php
https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/LOT_Polish_Airlines/LOT_Polish_Airlines_Boeing_737-800.php
(737-400 was better though)
https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/LOT_Polish_Airlines/LOT_Polish_Airlines_Boeing_737-400.php
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on July 05, 2018, 02:26:04 PM
UX announcing seasonal service MAD-ETH 1x week starting October 30.
https://www.calcalist.co.il/local/articles/0,7340,L-3741781,00.html
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on July 08, 2018, 12:24:52 AM
El Al Israel Airlines in recent schedule update extended Boeing 747-400 service into summer 2019 season, effective 31MAR19. In summer 2019 season, the 747 is scheduled to operate Tel Aviv New York JFK route.

The following schedule is effective for the week of 10MAY19.

LY001 TLV0030 0510JFK 744 x6
LY007 TLV1030 1510JFK 744 x56
LY011 TLV1600 2040JFK 744 147

LY004 JFK1315 0640+1TLV 744 147
LY002 JFK1800 1125+1TLV 744 x56
LY008 JFK2345 1710+1TLV 744 x5

The 787-9 will operate New York JFK route once again from 16JUN19.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on July 08, 2018, 12:28:43 AM
UX announcing seasonal service MAD-ETH 1x week starting October 30.

Probably VDA. ETH only for short-haul.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: zagguru on July 08, 2018, 01:03:26 AM
El Al Israel Airlines in recent schedule update extended Boeing 747-400 service into summer 2019 season, effective 31MAR19. In summer 2019 season, the 747 is scheduled to operate Tel Aviv New York JFK route.

The following schedule is effective for the week of 10MAY19.

LY001 TLV0030 0510JFK 744 x6
LY007 TLV1030 1510JFK 744 x56
LY011 TLV1600 2040JFK 744 147

LY004 JFK1315 0640+1TLV 744 147
LY002 JFK1800 1125+1TLV 744 x56
LY008 JFK2345 1710+1TLV 744 x5

The 787-9 will operate New York JFK route once again from 16JUN19.

Does this affect this summer as well?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Luvisrael on July 09, 2018, 07:59:38 AM
On Hulyo website, can I use an American credit card?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: moish on July 09, 2018, 09:00:01 AM
On Hulyo website, can I use an American credit card?
Pretty sure no
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on July 09, 2018, 10:43:06 AM
Starting Aug 1st, one daily LX flight between ZRH and TLV is operated by a 77W.
Interestingly, they aren't selling F on the route now. I wonder why, and who will get seated in the F cabin (it's just grey on the seating map)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shimino1 on July 09, 2018, 11:11:52 AM
Starting Aug 1st, one daily LX flight between ZRH and TLV is operated by a 77W.
Interestingly, they aren't selling F on the route now. I wonder why, and who will get seated in the F cabin (it's just grey on the seating map)
How is this any different then the a330 they fly now? They have F that they don't sell.
HON members supposedly can sit in the F seats or you can pay about 300 Euro to sit there.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on July 09, 2018, 11:17:33 AM
How is this any different then the a330 they fly now? They have F that they don't sell.
HON members supposedly can sit in the F seats or you can pay about 300 Euro to sit there.
Correct. Never noticed that the a330 had F.
(Never available for award anyway, so not too relevant)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on July 09, 2018, 11:18:53 AM
Starting Aug 1st, one daily LX flight between ZRH and TLV is operated by a 77W.
Interestingly, they aren't selling F on the route now. I wonder why, and who will get seated in the F cabin (it's just grey on the seating map)
The sad part is that the other flight is moving to single aisle equipment.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on July 09, 2018, 11:38:54 AM
The sad part is that the other flight is moving to single aisle equipment.
I'm not by a computer now, but I'm quite sure the second flight is still a a330. Maybe you're confusing with the codeshared flight with LY?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on July 09, 2018, 11:41:58 AM
I'm not by a computer now, but I'm quite sure the second flight is still a a330. Maybe you're confusing with the codeshared flight with LY?
It is initially, but if you check November the second flight is an A321.

(https://i.imgur.com/hrwwxPC.png)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shapsam on July 09, 2018, 11:43:52 AM
I'm not by a computer now, but I'm quite sure the second flight is still a a330. Maybe you're confusing with the codeshared flight with LY?
They're also throwing in the A340 on some days.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shapsam on July 09, 2018, 11:45:20 AM
It is initially, but if you check November the second flight is an A321.

(https://i.imgur.com/hrwwxPC.png)
IINM they always had narrow bodies on some days.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on July 09, 2018, 11:46:13 AM
They're also throwing in the A340 on some days.
Noticed that too. But only once in a while
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shapsam on July 09, 2018, 11:48:16 AM
Noticed that too. But only once in a while
Anyways, the seats look identical on all 3.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on July 09, 2018, 11:50:39 AM
Anyways, the seats look identical on all 3.
But unfortunately not on the forth (a321). One of the best connection options to the US for a full J product with decent award availability
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on July 09, 2018, 08:53:35 PM
El Al Israel Airlines in recent schedule update filed additional changes to South Africa, effective 28OCT18. Latest adjustment now sees the airline continues to operate 3 weekly Tel Aviv Johannesburg flight, instead of planned 4 weekly. Operational aircraft will also change from Boeing 767 to 777.

LY053 TLV0550 1450JNB 772 5
LY051 TLV2030 0530+1JNB 772 37

LY052 JNB2100 0605+1TLV 772 14
LY052 JNB2145 0650+1TLV 772 6
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on July 10, 2018, 03:42:41 PM
As seen on Kayak right now... Is AA adding a 5th freedom flight to TLV?  ;)
Seems like it's supposed to be Wizz Air. Not sure what the mistake is. Who ever heard of Air Bagan anyway...?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on July 10, 2018, 04:05:48 PM
As seen on Kayak right now... Is AA adding a 5th freedom flight to TLV?  ;)
Seems like it's supposed to be Wizz Air. Not sure what the mistake is. Who ever heard of Air Bagan anyway...?
Maybe they serve B'gan KSML ;D
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: travel agent on July 11, 2018, 05:32:30 PM
El Al S19 service changes as of 10JUL18

Tel Aviv Bangkok
31MAR19 29JUN19 Boeing 747-400 replaced by 767-300ER and 777-200ER, 3 weekly each.
eff 30JUN19 1 of 6 weekly operated by 787-9, the remainder operates with 777-200ER

Tel Aviv Boston eff 02JUL19 777-200ER replaces 767-300ER, 3 weekly (767 operating from 31MAR19 to 01JUL19)
Tel Aviv London Heathrow eff 01JUL19 747-400 once again scheduled to operate 2-3 weekly
Tel Aviv Mumbai eff 30JUN19 777-200ER replaces 767-300, overall reduces from 4 to 3 weekly
Tel Aviv Toronto eff 30JUN19 787-9 replaces 767-300ER, overall reduces from 4 to 3 weekly

Separately, the airlines Boeing 767 aircraft is tentatively scheduled until late-June 2019. Previously reported, the airlines 747-400 operation has been extended into summer 2019 season, mainly operating Tel Aviv New York JFK route. Planned Tel Aviv San Francisco launch remains unchanged on 13MAY19. Additional changes will be made in the next few weeks.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on July 11, 2018, 05:52:37 PM
El Al S19 service changes as of 10JUL18

Tel Aviv Bangkok
31MAR19 29JUN19 Boeing 747-400 replaced by 767-300ER and 777-200ER, 3 weekly each.
eff 30JUN19 1 of 6 weekly operated by 787-9, the remainder operates with 777-200ER

Tel Aviv Boston eff 02JUL19 777-200ER replaces 767-300ER, 3 weekly (767 operating from 31MAR19 to 01JUL19)
Tel Aviv London Heathrow eff 01JUL19 747-400 once again scheduled to operate 2-3 weekly
Tel Aviv Mumbai eff 30JUN19 777-200ER replaces 767-300, overall reduces from 4 to 3 weekly
Tel Aviv Toronto eff 30JUN19 787-9 replaces 767-300ER, overall reduces from 4 to 3 weekly

Separately, the airlines Boeing 767 aircraft is tentatively scheduled until late-June 2019. Previously reported, the airlines 747-400 operation has been extended into summer 2019 season, mainly operating Tel Aviv New York JFK route. Planned Tel Aviv San Francisco launch remains unchanged on 13MAY19. Additional changes will be made in the next few weeks.
Nice to see YYZ finally on the horizon for a Dreamliner. I thought they were waiting for 787-8 deliveries. Perhaps maybe that's why they're reducing to 3x weekly.
But I wouldn't rely on any of this as accurate, until it's within 5-6 months of the flight. As we've seen in the past year, they keep changing their plans on which aircraft should serve which route.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shapsam on July 11, 2018, 06:02:22 PM
Nice to see YYZ finally on the horizon for a Dreamliner. I thought they were waiting for 787-8 deliveries. Perhaps maybe that's why they're reducing to 3x weekly.
But I wouldn't rely on any of this as accurate, until it's within 5-6 months of the flight. As we've seen in the past year, they keep changing their plans on which aircraft should serve which route.
It changes together with their CEOs.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: travel agent on July 11, 2018, 06:13:19 PM
W6 is adding VIE - VDA 2 weekly
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on July 13, 2018, 12:59:49 PM
LOT Polish Airlines this week opened reservation for its expanded service to Israel. From 25FEB19, the Star Alliance member will operate Krakow Tel Aviv service, on board Boeing 737-800 aircraft. This route will be served twice a week.

Following schedule is effective for summer 2019 season from 22APR19. Operational day varies between 25FEB19 and 21APR19.

LO159 KRK0550 1025TLV 738 24
LO160 TLV2115 2359KRK 738 13
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Kabrams1618 on July 16, 2018, 01:04:09 AM
We are considering paphos but have read such horror stories of ryan air.  Are flights into larnaca better?  Which airline is recommended?  Any other close places as a suggestion for a quick getaway over the next few weeks.  Everything seems so expensive but this is the time we have.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chff on July 16, 2018, 01:08:18 AM
Why does UA have a 3rd flight EWR-TLV on Yom Kippur 09/19 at 5:05am and returning TLV-EWR motzei Yom Kippur?
they have it every year, probably because of the demand from TLV, but who is flying on the outbound?
Every year. TLV is closed Yom Kippur meaning the day before United can't fly there, so in order to maintain the 2 daily flights out of TLV YK morning they fly from NY which arrives Motzai YK in TLV
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chff on July 16, 2018, 01:09:01 AM
The max is short for max pain.

For LH and AA true
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Luvisrael on July 16, 2018, 03:19:20 AM
We are considering paphos but have read such horror stories of ryan air.  Are flights into larnaca better?  Which airline is recommended?  Any other close places as a suggestion for a quick getaway over the next few weeks.  Everything seems so expensive but this is the time we have.
For an hour ride , how bad can it be? Also , look at hulyo.co.il they have deals.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on July 16, 2018, 07:40:13 AM
Does Delta have WiFi TLV-JFK?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on July 16, 2018, 07:52:41 AM
Does Delta have WiFi TLV-JFK?
Yes. Also, free messaging for all passengers
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on July 16, 2018, 08:52:24 AM
Yes. Also, free messaging for all passengers

Thanks! (Why does the website list no amenities?)

What can I expect in terms of drinks, etc.?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Kabrams1618 on July 18, 2018, 07:34:51 AM
Has anyone bought last minute  tickets from hulyo recently.  Anything negative that I should be aware of?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: travel agent on July 18, 2018, 07:42:27 AM
is ryanair ending flying from TLV? they are not selling any flights after the end of Oct. yesterday it was still available.

any info?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: tavster on July 18, 2018, 10:06:18 AM
LH adds 4 weekly flights to Eilat.

PR: "Jerusalem, July 18, 2018 - The German airline Lufthansa, which is celebrating 50 years of operations in Israel, is expanding its activity to another destination in Israel - Eilat (Ovdah). The company will operate four weekly flights on A320 aircraft to Ovdah, with two weekly flights from Frankfurt on Sundays and Mondays (from October 28, 2018) and two weekly flights from Munich on Tuesdays and Saturdays (beginning November 8, 2018)."
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on July 18, 2018, 10:24:03 AM
Edelweiss Air in winter 2018/19 season is adding new service to Israel, with the offering of Tel Aviv Eilat/Ovda route. From 28OCT18, Airbus A320 aircraft will operate this route once a week on Sundays.

WK166/LX8166 ZRH1235 1800VDA 320 7
WK167/LX8167 VDA1850 2230ZRH 320 7
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: G11600 on July 18, 2018, 10:25:05 AM
is ryanair ending flying from TLV? they are not selling any flights after the end of Oct. yesterday it was still available.

any info?

Note they are adding AMM and Aqaba. Wonder if it's connected...

https://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/2018/07/18/ryanair-jordan-flights/
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: G11600 on July 18, 2018, 10:25:49 AM
Edelweiss Air in winter 2018/19 season is adding new service to Israel, with the offering of Tel Aviv Eilat/Ovda route. From 28OCT18, Airbus A320 aircraft will operate this route once a week on Sundays.

WK166/LX8166 ZRH1235 1800VDA 320 7
WK167/LX8167 VDA1850 2230ZRH 320 7

Zurich - Eilat, not Tel Aviv to Eilat
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on July 18, 2018, 10:53:14 AM
Zurich - Eilat, not Tel Aviv to Eilat

Good catch. Did a copy paste from Airlineroute that had it written like that.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Dan on July 18, 2018, 10:59:00 AM
Anyone even book Edelweiss with UA miles?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yelped on July 18, 2018, 11:24:43 AM
I believe I once saw it come up in an award search. It may have been Swiss (operated by Eidelweiss).
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on July 18, 2018, 11:34:44 AM
This whole Eilat thing isn't really a help for most Israelis and even foreigners. The IL government is looking to create more tourism there, but for most people who have been to IL in the past or who live here, it's not worth the pain to save a few dollars. It's like driving out from NYC to WAS to catch a cheaper flight.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Dan on July 18, 2018, 01:13:27 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1019358211072282624
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Baglach on July 18, 2018, 01:19:07 PM
Anyone even book Edelweiss with UA miles?
The 1255pm flight ZRH-JFK and 9pm JFK-ZRH is edelweiss and can be booked on UA
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shapsam on July 18, 2018, 01:40:46 PM
The 1255pm flight ZRH-JFK and 9pm JFK-ZRH is edelweiss and can be booked on UA
They fly to JFK? AFAIK those flights are operated by LX.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on July 18, 2018, 01:45:37 PM
They fly to JFK? AFAIK those flights are operated by LX.

Correct.

WK only flies to DEN, LAS, MCO, SAN and TPA in the US.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yelped on July 18, 2018, 02:02:22 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1019358211072282624
Who is this guy? What's his claim to fame/creds?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on July 18, 2018, 02:06:13 PM
Who is this guy? What's his claim to fame/creds?

A reliable AA insider IIRC.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yelped on July 18, 2018, 02:12:37 PM
Thanks.

ETA: Check out this tweet from him. Might want to cross post it, too.

https://mobile.twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1018669344128208896
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on July 18, 2018, 02:21:33 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1019358211072282624
What does 2nd frame mean?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shapsam on July 18, 2018, 02:26:56 PM
What does 2nd frame mean?
In order to have daily flights they need to use 2 aircraft
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on July 18, 2018, 02:28:57 PM
In order to have daily flights they need to use 2 aircraft
Thanks for the explanation. And that kills profitability?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Luvisrael on July 18, 2018, 06:20:15 PM
Anyone fly Wizzair recently to Budapest? Are they very strict on extra personal bags?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: travel agent on July 19, 2018, 07:58:02 AM
Anyone fly Wizzair recently to Budapest? Are they very strict on extra personal bags?

from TLV they are not strict at all, its not them its Jews
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Luvisrael on July 19, 2018, 08:56:58 AM
from TLV they are not strict at all, its not them its Jews
what do u mean?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shimino1 on July 19, 2018, 04:05:27 PM
what do u mean?
It means that Wizz air and most/all of the low cost carriers don't put people on their payroll just to check people in for flights from Tel Aviv to wherever. Instead, they hire one of the two or three companies that do the ground services on behalf of the airlines.

The same four or five agents will be wearing the Wizz air uniform and do check in and boarding for the flight and an hour later they will put on the EasyJet uniform and do the same for the Easyjet flight. After that they will work the Ryan air flight, etc' etc'.

If your'e not blatantly breaking the rules, they really couldn't care less about collecting ancillary fees since they don't make any more money doing so.

Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: moe8555 on July 21, 2018, 11:45:54 PM
Anyone fly Wizzair recently to Budapest? Are they very strict on extra personal bags?

On my recent trip to Varna, nobody was called out for oversize carryons in either direction, and certainly not for having an extra backpack or plastic bag.

In Varna, they truly honored the Wizz Priority service every step of the way: early segregated boarding (including the ability to show up after boarding started and jump the line) and a special segregated part of the bus with first right of getting on the plane (they opened the bus doors in the Priority part of the bus and allowed us to get on the plane before all the rest).
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chff on July 21, 2018, 11:56:35 PM
It means that Wizz air and most/all of the low cost carriers don't put people on their payroll just to check people in for flights from Tel Aviv to wherever. Instead, they hire one of the two or three companies that do the ground services on behalf of the airlines.

The same four or five agents will be wearing the Wizz air uniform and do check in and boarding for the flight and an hour later they will put on the EasyJet uniform and do the same for the Easyjet flight. After that they will work the Ryan air flight, etc' etc'.

If your'e not blatantly breaking the rules, they really couldn't care less about collecting ancillary fees since they don't make any more money doing so.
Which airline excepts Elal has their own staff? All belong to a contracted ground company (Like Laufer or GHI). Same is worldwide

TWA still has issues with their own staff in TLV
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: jose34 on July 23, 2018, 06:06:26 AM
Interesting. Luftansa is launching service to Eilat ( VDA) in October. Seems like prices to Germany are cheap the question will this effect pricing to America. Will flying to America be cheaper if you go through VDA?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Ergel on July 23, 2018, 10:36:33 AM
Which airline excepts Elal has their own staff? All belong to a contracted ground company (Like Laufer or GHI). Same is worldwide

TWA still has issues with their own staff in TLV
Pretty sure air Canada has staff
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on July 23, 2018, 10:39:14 AM
Interesting. Luftansa is launching service to Eilat ( VDA) in October. Seems like prices to Germany are cheap the question will this effect pricing to America. Will flying to America be cheaper if you go through VDA?
Flying to America from Eilat isn't very convenient. I assume most would prefer a double stop, over driving down south
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on July 23, 2018, 05:40:44 PM
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-sichuan-airlines-to-launch-tel-aviv-chengdu-route-1001226732

Sichuan Airlines from September 2018 is adding scheduled service to Israel, as the airline opened Chengdu Tel Aviv bookings from 26SEP18. Airbus A330-200 aircraft will operate this route twice a week.

3U8561 CTU0215 0735TLV 332 37
3U8562 TLV1535 0600+1CTU 332 37

The airline's schedule listing shows service to commence on 29JUL18, however flights on/after 26SEP18 is open for reservation.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: jose34 on July 26, 2018, 06:44:37 PM
Seems like XL is leasing Ethiopian 787 to fly the CDG - TLV routes.
Would any recommend trying to fly in these 787 as opposed XL's A330 's?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on July 27, 2018, 01:59:08 AM
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-el-al-withdraws-high-court-petition-on-saudi-flights-1001247641
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on July 31, 2018, 07:13:08 AM
Tel Aviv Toronto eff 30JUN19 787-9 replaces 767-300ER, overall reduces from 4 to 3 weekly

789 service starting earlier to YYZ.

El Al Israel Airlines in recent schedule update filed aircraft changes for Tel Aviv Toronto service, currently operated by Boeing 767. From 13JAN19, the airline will begin Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner service, operating 3 times a week during winter season.

LY029 TLV0045 0600YYZ 789 247
LY030 YYZ1300 0635+1TLV 789 27
LY032 YYZ1745 1145+1TLV 789 4
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on August 01, 2018, 01:41:46 PM
El Al Israel Airlines in recent schedule update filed Boeing 747-400 operation to Europe for summer 2019 season. As of 31JUL18, planned Boeing 747-400 service between April and August 2019 as follows.

Tel Aviv London Heathrow LY315/316 Check again
25APR19 (27APR19 from LHR as LY318)
17JUN19 17JUL19 Day 13
18JUL19 29AUG19 Day 134

Tel Aviv Rome LY385/386 14APR19 28APR18 Day 7
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: tavster on August 02, 2018, 03:08:10 PM
https://thepointsguy.com/news/united-iad-tlv/

"United Airlines just announced plans to begin nonstop service from its Dulles hub in Washington, DC (IAD) to Tel Aviv (TLV), launching May 22, 2019.

The new flight will be operated by a 777-200ER with the following schedule:

    UA72 Washington, DC (IAD) 10:30pm Departure → Tel Aviv (TLV) 4:30pm (+1) Arrival (Wed, Fri, Sun)

    UA73 Tel Aviv (TLV) 12:20am Departure → Washington, DC (IAD) 5:50am Arrival (Tues, Fri, Sun)"
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: davidrotts63 on August 02, 2018, 03:14:25 PM
https://thepointsguy.com/news/united-iad-tlv/

"United Airlines just announced plans to begin nonstop service from its Dulles hub in Washington, DC (IAD) to Tel Aviv (TLV), launching May 22, 2019.

The new flight will be operated by a 777-200ER with the following schedule:

    UA72 Washington, DC (IAD) 10:30pm Departure → Tel Aviv (TLV) 4:30pm (+1) Arrival (Wed, Fri, Sun)

    UA73 Tel Aviv (TLV) 12:20am Departure → Washington, DC (IAD) 5:50am Arrival (Tues, Fri, Sun)"
https://www.dansdeals.com/?p=157812
https://www.dansdeals.com/?p=157816
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: tavster on August 02, 2018, 03:15:42 PM
https://www.dansdeals.com/?p=157812
https://www.dansdeals.com/?p=157816
Sorry! (I never go on the website)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on August 02, 2018, 03:52:13 PM
Sorry! (I never go on the website)

So you go to TPG website and not DD??
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: tavster on August 02, 2018, 03:58:20 PM
So you go to TPG website and not DD??
For some reason I always assumed that everything first gets discussed on the forum, and then the key takeaways get published on DD.. my mistake  :)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: jose34 on August 03, 2018, 01:51:36 AM
https://www.dansdeals.com/?p=157812
https://www.dansdeals.com/?p=157816

Yay! Been waiting for this for a long time!
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: davidrotts63 on August 03, 2018, 02:03:23 AM
So you go to TPG website and not DD??
Just the thought of that urks me
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: brodes18 on August 03, 2018, 09:21:42 AM
CX will fly the new A350-1000 this coming fall. First A350-1000 to fly to TLV?

Hong Kong Tel Aviv eff 03OCT18 Planned A350-1000XWB service entry unchanged, replacing -900XWB (Except Tuesdays until 23OCT18). From 28OCT18, A350-1000XWB continues operating this route until 30NOV18
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chff on August 04, 2018, 10:10:31 PM

Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on August 05, 2018, 09:52:08 PM
https://www.collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=51771&alias=new-island-airport-for-israel

Quote
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has ordered the advancement of a plan to build a new international airport on an artificial island off his countrys Mediterranean coast.

According to a statement from the Prime Ministers Office, the directive was given at a ministerial committee meeting held earlier this week.

The government decided to evacuate Sde Dov Airport and transfer all flights to Ben-Gurion Airport.

Ben-Gurion International Airport is believed to be too small to accommodate the ever-growing number of visitors to Israel expected in the coming years.

In order to provide for the accelerated growth in the number of tourists arriving in Israel, the statement said, Prime Minister Netanyahu directed that a plan be advanced to build an airport on an artificial island adjacent to the coast of the State of Israel.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on August 06, 2018, 02:51:20 PM
https://www.collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=51771&alias=new-island-airport-for-israel

Speaking of which. Here's some of the technology at use:

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-israeli-army-reveals-its-answer-to-hamas-naval-commandos-1.6342855
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Kabrams1618 on August 07, 2018, 12:53:40 AM
Is it possible to check in online for an arkia flt from tlv to europe.  It is within 24 hours of the flight but I dont see any place on the website to check in
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Proisrael on August 07, 2018, 07:53:47 AM
TUS Airways coming back to Haifa. Probably not interesting for most but I am excited!
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Kabrams1618 on August 07, 2018, 07:59:28 AM
Called arkia when they opened.  No online check in.  They open 3 hours before flight
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Proisrael on August 07, 2018, 08:15:01 AM
https://thepointsguy.com/news/united-iad-tlv/

"United Airlines just announced plans to begin nonstop service from its Dulles hub in Washington, DC (IAD) to Tel Aviv (TLV), launching May 22, 2019.

The new flight will be operated by a 777-200ER with the following schedule:

    UA72 Washington, DC (IAD) 10:30pm Departure → Tel Aviv (TLV) 4:30pm (+1) Arrival (Wed, Fri, Sun)

    UA73 Tel Aviv (TLV) 12:20am Departure → Washington, DC (IAD) 5:50am Arrival (Tues, Fri, Sun)"

Took 5 days for every saver ticket to be sold.....
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Dan on August 07, 2018, 10:13:12 AM
They were gone within an hour of my post about the wide open space.
Likely mistake.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shapsam on August 15, 2018, 09:44:23 AM
Ukraine Intl TLV-KBP or KBP-TLV $115 round trip

TLV-ODS $119 round trip

Dates available from October through February.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: lifetimedeals on August 15, 2018, 11:19:23 AM
Who has a better economy class to TLV Austrian or LOT?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shapsam on August 15, 2018, 11:26:03 AM
Who has a better economy class to TLV Austrian or LOT?
IINM OS offers a full meal service as appose to LO.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: lifetimedeals on August 15, 2018, 11:43:48 AM
IINM OS offers a full meal service as appose to LO.
Thanks, OS?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shapsam on August 15, 2018, 11:46:19 AM
Thanks, OS?
Airline code for Austrian airlines.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: lifetimedeals on August 15, 2018, 11:54:50 AM
IINM OS offers a full meal service as appose to LO.
Anyone flown both that can clarify? Thanks.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: matis on August 15, 2018, 12:42:44 PM
New member - apologies if this has been discussed before.

Looking for ORD-TLV flights in business/first with readily available award space (ie, not UA from EWR), and that have lie-flat hard product for entire trip.

As far as I can tell, there are no good options where the second leg (Europe-TLV) is on true wide body with lay flat hard product, except for Turkish. I've looked at Swiss, Austrian, LOT, Luftansa, BA, Air France, and KLM. Am I missing something? What's the best way to solve this?

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shapsam on August 15, 2018, 03:16:11 PM
Ukraine Intl TLV-KBP or KBP-TLV $115 round trip

TLV-ODS $119 round trip

Dates available from October through February.
$98 if booked directly on their website flyuia.com
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on August 21, 2018, 07:55:12 AM
https://www.timesofisrael.com/passenger-says-tel-aviv-flight-delayed-after-doors-close-half-second-late/
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yitrap on August 21, 2018, 07:59:55 AM
New member - apologies if this has been discussed before.

Looking for ORD-TLV flights in business/first with readily available award space (ie, not UA from EWR), and that have lie-flat hard product for entire trip.

As far as I can tell, there are no good options where the second leg (Europe-TLV) is on true wide body with lay flat hard product, except for Turkish. I've looked at Swiss, Austrian, LOT, Luftansa, BA, Air France, and KLM. Am I missing something? What's the best way to solve this?

Thanks in advance.
Swiss and BA do offer a lie flat option, IINM Iberia offers once a day as well
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: a mirrer on August 21, 2018, 08:05:40 AM
Swiss and BA do offer a lie flat option, IINM Iberia offers once a day as well
SU offers it on some flight as well
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on August 21, 2018, 08:29:20 AM
SU offers it on some flight as well
SU is angle flat on the wide body ex-TLV IINM (not bad IMHO). Though I don't know if they fly into ORD.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: a mirrer on August 21, 2018, 08:35:08 AM
SU is angle flat on the wide body ex-TLV IINM (not bad IMHO). Though I don't know if they fly into ORD.
depends what plane you get the 777 is lie flat IINM
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: hvaces42 on August 21, 2018, 11:39:32 PM
seems like LX 252 will be flying 77W ZRH-TLV
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on August 22, 2018, 10:26:08 AM
Delta will go double daily on JFK-TLV next summer.

http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1402087
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on August 22, 2018, 10:30:34 AM
Delta will go double daily on JFK-TLV next summer.

http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1402087

Should have posted link to original article (https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-5333324,00.html) (though in Hebrew), which also mentions that UX is increasing their TLV schedule to daily flights rather than 5 flights per week.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chff on August 22, 2018, 11:46:28 AM
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on August 28, 2018, 02:53:00 PM
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-sichuan-airlines-to-start-flights-to-israel-1001251600

New option to China
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on August 28, 2018, 03:05:58 PM
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-sichuan-airlines-to-start-flights-to-israel-1001251600

New option to China

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=30483.msg1964576#msg1964576
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on August 28, 2018, 10:25:36 PM
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=30483.msg1964576#msg1964576

https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-sichuan-airlines-to-start-flights-to-israel-1001251600

New option to China

כל פרשה שנאמרה ונשנית, לא נשנית אלא לדבר שנתחדש בה

I didn't point it out in my post, but article adds fare information as well as information about connecting to other Chinese cities for no additional fare.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: zow on September 05, 2018, 04:56:22 PM
Do I recall correctly that UA serves Covenant wines ex-TLV?
For all pax, or just J?
And is the drinking age 18y ex-TLV, or does it go by the carrier's home country (US)? Or is it YMMV depending on the FA?
(Will ask DS to provide DP when he returns, IYH).
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Dan on September 05, 2018, 04:59:21 PM
Do I recall correctly that UA serves Covenant wines ex-TLV?
For all pax, or just J?
And is the drinking age 18y ex-TLV, or does it go by the carrier's home country (US)? Or is it YMMV depending on the FA?
(Will ask DS to provide DP when he returns, IYH).
They got rid of kosher wines :(
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: zow on September 05, 2018, 05:08:23 PM
They got rid of kosher wines :(
:(
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: PlatinumGuy on September 05, 2018, 09:59:25 PM
Do I recall correctly that UA serves Covenant wines ex-TLV?
For all pax, or just J?
And is the drinking age 18y ex-TLV, or does it go by the carrier's home country (US)? Or is it YMMV depending on the FA?
(Will ask DS to provide DP when he returns, IYH).
I was typically served freely even on domestic flights <21
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: elya on September 05, 2018, 10:03:17 PM
:(
Dont fret, was undrinkable.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: davidrotts63 on September 05, 2018, 11:13:01 PM
I was typically served freely even on domestic flights <21
+1
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: zow on September 06, 2018, 08:33:51 AM
I was typically served freely even on domestic flights <21
+1

My son was denied before when he was 18 or 19. I don't remember the route. He has kind of a baby face. :)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: zow on September 06, 2018, 08:34:29 AM
Dont fret, was undrinkable.
Really? I thought Covenant was supposed to be pretty good. :o
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: davidrotts63 on September 06, 2018, 01:45:44 PM
My son was denied before when he was 18 or 19. I don't remember the route. He has kind of a baby face. :)
A beard is the way to go :)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: elya on September 06, 2018, 01:47:17 PM
Really? I thought Covenant was supposed to be pretty good. :o
Was not the expensive Covenant you are thinking of, it was cheap undrinkable Cr*p!
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: zow on September 06, 2018, 01:52:40 PM
A beard is the way to go :)
He's 20 and I'm pretty sure he's not shaving more than every few days yet.Growing a beard is some time way down the road.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: zow on September 06, 2018, 01:53:18 PM
Was not the expensive Covenant you are thinking of, it was cheap undrinkable Cr*p!
:)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: davidrotts63 on September 06, 2018, 01:54:30 PM
He's 20 and I'm pretty sure he's not shaving more than every few days yet.Growing a beard is some time way down the road.
Well at 18 I've gotten with scruff (only tried when I thought I can pass as 21+). So the time for a beard is 18-20, at 21+ it's pointless ;)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on September 12, 2018, 04:28:45 PM
Nice new route! TAP often has very good economy and business class fares, which can work one way too. They also offer a free stopover in Lisbon option.

Lisbon Tel Aviv eff 31MAR19 1 daily A321 (Previously served from October 1993 to April 1997)
TP1603 LIS1420 2130TLV 321 D
TP1604 TLV0505 0900LIS 321 D

Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on September 12, 2018, 04:31:20 PM
El Al Israel Airlines in summer 2019 season is adding leisure routes, operated by Sun dOr. From April 2019, the airline schedules service to Salzburg and Thessaloniki, with 737-800 aircraft.

Tel Aviv Salzburg eff 08APR19 2 weekly 737-800
LY5193 TLV1730 2045SZG 738 14
LY5194 SZG2150 0240+1TLV 738 14

Tel Aviv Thessaloniki eff 14APR19 2 weekly 737-800
LY5147 TLV2000 2245SKG 738 47
LY5148 SKG2345 0205+1TLV 738 47
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: PlatinumGuy on September 12, 2018, 04:32:17 PM
Nice new route! TAP often has very good economy and business class fares, which can work one way too. They also offer a free stopover in Lisbon option.

Lisbon Tel Aviv eff 31MAR19 1 daily A321 (Previously served from October 1993 to April 1997)
TP1603 LIS1420 2130TLV 321 D
TP1604 TLV0505 0900LIS 321 D
Nice. Clearly timed for inbound connecting pax and wasting a lot of time on the ground in TLV for that
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: PlatinumGuy on September 12, 2018, 04:38:22 PM
TAP J class  JFK-TLV $1465, TLV-JFK $1315. Good option, but a pretty poor product considering the long LIS-TLV flight

Refundable with a $150 charge is great.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Buruch on September 17, 2018, 08:52:12 AM
Any cheap mileage options tlv to Europe? Anything distance based that's a good deal - like 10k miles rt.
I'm looking at the less used programs like Etihad or Emirates who have partnerships with random European airlines, but so far no luck.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on September 17, 2018, 08:55:09 AM
BA or LY?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Buruch on September 17, 2018, 08:57:23 AM
BA or LY?

Which partners?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on September 17, 2018, 09:00:47 AM
Which partners?
Not necessarily partners. Their own metal. They both often have decent mileage deals to Europe
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Buruch on September 17, 2018, 09:07:13 AM
Not necessarily partners. Their own metal. They both often have decent mileage deals to Europe

To fly ba I would have to go cross Europe. How would that be a good deal on a distance based chart?
I was under under the impression ElAl is always a rip off, so didn't bother checking. Do any ElAl partners have good rates on ElAl metal?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on September 17, 2018, 09:46:14 AM
To fly ba I would have to go cross Europe. How would that be a good deal on a distance based chart?
I was under under the impression ElAl is always a rip off, so didn't bother checking. Do any ElAl partners have good rates on ElAl metal?
Why do you need specifically distance based? BA is 10k from TLV to LON + YQ
LY has some decent deals on some routes to Europe, not all. You can transfer from AX to LY. If you insist on distance based, you can book LY via Qantas. But you would need TY points for that.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Buruch on September 17, 2018, 10:15:56 AM
Why do you need specifically distance based? BA is 10k from TLV to LON + YQ
LY has some decent deals on some routes to Europe, not all. You can transfer from AX to LY. If you insist on distance based, you can book LY via Qantas. But you would need TY points for that.

I don't need distance based, but I figured it would be the best deal for countries closer to Israel.

BA is 10k plus yq to London, so would be even more to other destinations. I'm looking for 10-15k rt to compete with ulcc.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on September 17, 2018, 12:20:30 PM
I don't need distance based, but I figured it would be the best deal for countries closer to Israel.

BA is 10k plus yq to London, so would be even more to other destinations. I'm looking for 10-15k rt to compete with ulcc.

Etihad should get you on JU (no idea what redemption rates are) and FlyingBlue can get you on RO, both JU and RO have (almost) no YQ. If there's any *A that is distance based, A3 flies to LCA and ATH.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: a mirrer on September 17, 2018, 01:02:55 PM
Etihad should get you on JU (no idea what redemption rates are) and FlyingBlue can get you on RO, both JU and RO have (almost) no YQ. If there's any *A that is distance based, A3 flies to LCA and ATH.
You also have IB on vueling which can be quite decent rates
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on September 17, 2018, 01:05:39 PM
You also have IB on vueling which can be quite decent rates

Correct. But isn't Vueling a LCC? (maybe not ULCC, so might still be an alternative to ULCC, just wondering).

Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Buruch on September 17, 2018, 04:00:04 PM
You also have IB on vueling which can be quite decent rates

It's always been high when I checked, but if you say so, I'll keep checking.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: moe8555 on September 17, 2018, 04:50:37 PM
It sounds like for your needs, your best bet is simply using CC points through a portal (Chase/Citi) or a 2%+ cashback card.  Then you can simply book the LCC with your points/cashback.  Aegean to Cyprus/Greece is only about 15K r/t with their miles.  Qantas would be 28K r/t I believe to Sofia/Bucharest on El Al.  I think Etihad miles to Prague via Czech is also very low, but they only operate the Smartwings subsidiary now I believe, not sure it can also be booked via Etihad.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Buruch on September 18, 2018, 12:31:00 AM
It sounds like for your needs, your best bet is simply using CC points through a portal (Chase/Citi) or a 2%+ cashback card.  Then you can simply book the LCC with your points/cashback.  Aegean to Cyprus/Greece is only about 15K r/t with their miles.  Qantas would be 28K r/t I believe to Sofia/Bucharest on El Al.  I think Etihad miles to Prague via Czech is also very low, but they only operate the Smartwings subsidiary now I believe, not sure it can also be booked via Etihad.

The problem is you can't book the ulcc flights through Chase as far as I know.
I thought I remembered seeing cheap flights on Czech to Prague using Etihad points, but I just checked again, and it's not. Maybe because of the switch.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: tavster on September 26, 2018, 06:21:27 AM
https://www.themarker.com/consumer/tourism/1.6510236
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on September 26, 2018, 06:29:56 AM
https://www.themarker.com/consumer/tourism/1.6510236
Any way to read without a subscription?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on September 26, 2018, 06:38:09 AM
Any way to read without a subscription?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.themarker.com/amp/consumer/tourism/1.6510236
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: tavster on September 26, 2018, 07:11:13 AM
LY is going to lose it..
flights to Deli we're one thing, but to MUM it's going head to head with a competitive disadvantage..
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on September 26, 2018, 07:14:27 AM
LY is going to lose it..
flights to Deli we're one thing, but to MUM it's going head to head with a competitive disadvantage..
They will probably just close the route.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: tavster on September 26, 2018, 07:15:32 AM
They will probably just close the route.
Agreed
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on September 26, 2018, 07:39:43 AM
LY is going to lose it..
flights to Deli we're one thing, but to MUM it's going head to head with a competitive disadvantage..
I guess you meant Delhi and BOM  :)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: tavster on September 26, 2018, 07:46:54 AM
I guess you meant Delhi and BOM  :)
;D
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: tavster on September 26, 2018, 08:35:19 AM
They will probably just close the route.
Close the route and reallocate the planes to ORD?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: travel agent on October 10, 2018, 04:27:08 PM
ryanair is starting 2 weekly flights to FMM, now selling for $50 RT.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on October 19, 2018, 07:24:16 AM
El Al Israel Airlines in this weeks schedule update revised planned Boeing 747-400 service on Tel Aviv New York JFK route. From 14JUN19, 747 service will be reduced from up to 11 weekly to 6 weekly, and further reduce to 4 weekly from 17JUL19. Based on current update, the 747 is scheduled to serve New York until 12SEP19.

Following schedule is effective for the week of 17JUL19.

LY001 TLV0030 0510JFK 744 137
LY001 TLV0030 0515JFK 789 245
LY007 TLV1030 1510JFK 789 27
LY007 TLV1030 1510JFK 744 4
LY007 TLV1030 1540JFK 772 5
LY007 TLV1330 1810JFK 789 13
LY011 TLV1635 2115JFK 789 x567
LY011 TLV1915 2355JFK 789 7

LY012 JFK0215 1945TLV 789 1
LY004 JFK1100 0430+1TLV 789 4
LY004 JFK1315 0645+1TLV 789 2
LY004 JFK1315 0640+1TLV 744 137
LY002 JFK1800 1125+1TLV 744 4
LY002 JFK1800 1130+1TLV 789 27
LY002 JFK1950 1320+1TLV 789 13
LY014 JFK2145 1530+1TLV 772 6
LY008 JFK2345 1715+1TLV 789 x567
LY008 JFK2345 1730+1TLV 789 6

The Boeing 747 is also scheduled to serve selected European flights throughout summer 2019 season. Additional adjustment to its overall Boeing 747 operation will be made in the next few months.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: luv2trvlwithfam on October 21, 2018, 06:37:22 AM
now that arkia is taking delivery of 2 airbus 321 LR NEO, and overhauling their fleet ....
theres been some talk of them entering the tlv-nyc route 6x week, with A330-900NEO,  anyone else hear/read that...
how would that do?
 
 
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: tavster on October 21, 2018, 08:27:27 AM
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-el-al-to-add-weekly-flight-on-tel-aviv-bangkok-route-1001257279
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: moe8555 on October 21, 2018, 09:46:22 AM
Did everyone notice that Cobalt is a goner?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: jose34 on October 21, 2018, 11:42:40 AM
now that arkia is taking delivery of 2 airbus 321 LR NEO, and overhauling their fleet ....
theres been some talk of them entering the tlv-nyc route 6x week, with A330-900NEO,  anyone else hear/read that...
how would that do?
 
 

Arkia is not associated with Elal?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on October 21, 2018, 11:59:08 AM
Arkia is not associated with Elal?
No. And they have flights scheduled on Shabbos IINM.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shapsam on October 21, 2018, 01:14:00 PM
Arkia is not associated with Elal?
Elal almost bought Arkia but an Israeli court didn't let.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on October 21, 2018, 01:41:50 PM
Elal almost bought Arkia but an Israeli court didn't let.
That was Israir, not Arkia
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shapsam on October 21, 2018, 01:49:26 PM
That was Israir, not Arkia
Oh
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: kargagaliciana on October 21, 2018, 09:21:25 PM
Just noticed on ITA matrix is showing elal $4000 business class tickets RT nyc to tlv wide open availability on all dates all flights. Tried booking it on expedia and these fares are not showing up. Is there any way to get those fares?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: helpyouamdme on October 21, 2018, 09:26:16 PM
Just noticed on ITA matrix is showing elal $4000 business class tickets RT nyc to tlv wide open availability on all dates all flights. Tried booking it on expedia and these fares are not showing up. Is there any way to get those fares?
https://bookwithmatrix.com/0b4543b5a1e9db6f3009db40dee39aec
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: helpyouamdme on October 21, 2018, 09:27:13 PM
Just noticed on ITA matrix is showing elal $4000 business class tickets RT nyc to tlv wide open availability on all dates all flights. Tried booking it on expedia and these fares are not showing up. Is there any way to get those fares?
By the way United has with $100 more and a better product
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on October 21, 2018, 09:29:06 PM
Just noticed on ITA matrix is showing elal $4000 business class tickets RT nyc to tlv wide open availability on all dates all flights. Tried booking it on expedia and these fares are not showing up. Is there any way to get those fares?
Make sure the "Only show flights and prices with available seats" box is checked.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: helpyouamdme on October 21, 2018, 09:36:02 PM
Make sure the "Only show flights and prices with available seats" box is checked.
It is checked And there is a lot of availability even with United
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on October 21, 2018, 09:42:16 PM
It is checked And there is a lot of availability even with United
I was responding to the one who said his dates weren't available on Expedia. Not helpful enough to know that the box is checked by you.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: helpyouamdme on October 21, 2018, 09:43:21 PM
Sample date with United
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on October 21, 2018, 09:48:26 PM
Sample date with United
Btw, both these flights you chose are the old UA configuration. Most prefer the LY Dreamliner over that aircraft. Also, why would you use a agency like flightnetwork when you can book the same thing on Priceline, Orbitz or Expedia?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: helpyouamdme on October 21, 2018, 09:53:48 PM
Btw, both these flights you chose are the old UA configuration. Most prefer the LY Dreamliner over that aircraft. Also, why would you use a agency like flightnetwork when you can book the same thing on Priceline, Orbitz or Expedia?
You are right, I just selected the first option book with ita matrix gave me.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: luv2trvlwithfam on October 22, 2018, 03:14:13 AM
No. And they have flights scheduled on Shabbos IINM.


so does elal, @Dan posted a bunch of articles about it....
@Dan whats your take on arkia  on the nyc-tlv route?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: luv2trvlwithfam on October 22, 2018, 03:20:12 AM
Did everyone notice that Cobalt is a goner?


sad, as it was after trying to replace cyprus airs
and the Danish airline Primera Air also went belly up ....
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: moe8555 on October 22, 2018, 04:35:43 AM

sad, as it was after trying to replace cyprus airs
and the Danish airline Primera Air also went belly up ....

Yeah, I always thought Cobalt was on the up and up.  They had just introduced a real business class, and even a type of frequent flyer club (only benefits, no mileage...).
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on October 22, 2018, 07:34:04 AM


so does elal, @Dan posted a bunch of articles about it....
-1
ELAL doesn't have flights scheduled on Shabbos (which doesn't mean that they are not mechallel Shabbos, but it obviously does have some value).
I challenge you to bring a quote from @Dan that says that ELAL has regular flights SCHEDULED on Shabbos.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Dan on October 22, 2018, 08:24:25 AM
@Dan whats your take on arkia  on the nyc-tlv route?
What can be bad about more competition?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: luv2trvlwithfam on October 22, 2018, 08:48:21 AM
-1
ELAL doesn't have flights scheduled on Shabbos (which doesn't mean that they are not mechallel Shabbos, but it obviously does have some value).
I challenge you to bring a quote from @Dan that says that ELAL has regular flights SCHEDULED on Shabbos.


Heres How El Al Circumvents Shabbos Flight Restrictions

https://www.dansdeals.com/points-travel/airlines/airline-news/heres-el-al-gets-around-shabbos-flight-restrictions/
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: luv2trvlwithfam on October 22, 2018, 08:51:20 AM
What can be bad about more competition?

@Dan would like to discuss this with you offline?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Dan on October 22, 2018, 10:05:25 AM
@Dan would like to discuss this with you offline?
Erm, why not discuss right here?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shimino1 on October 22, 2018, 10:49:41 AM
Did everyone notice that Cobalt is a goner?
Sad if this is true.
I liked their flight times, they had great prices and they left from Terminal 3.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on October 22, 2018, 11:13:27 AM
Sad if this is true.
I liked their flight times, they had great prices and they left from Terminal 3.

Cobalt regrets to announce that it will be cancelling all Flights as of 23:50pm on October 17, 2018 due to indefinite suspension of Cobalts operations. As a result, future flights or services provided by Cobalt will be cancelled and will no longer operate.

Passengers who have un-flown tickets are instructed not to go to Larnaca Airport or any departure airport tomorrow, 18 October 2018 as no Cobalt flights will operate and no Cobalt staff will be present.

For refunds, please contact your credit card provider or Travel Agent.

We sincerely apologise once again and would like to thank our very loyal customers for their support over the last two years of Cobalt operations.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yelped on October 22, 2018, 11:49:26 AM
That's the problem with the low cost airlines. They drop dead front one day to the next and you're stuck wherever you are.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: grodnoking on October 22, 2018, 12:26:20 PM
Sad if this is true.
I liked their flight times, they had great prices and they left from Terminal 3.
Is there anywhere to get a list if who flies out of terminal 3 & 1?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on October 23, 2018, 03:40:43 PM


Heres How El Al Circumvents Shabbos Flight Restrictions

https://www.dansdeals.com/points-travel/airlines/airline-news/heres-el-al-gets-around-shabbos-flight-restrictions/
Does that article say anything about regular ELAL flights on a Shabbos schedule?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Baglach on October 24, 2018, 05:07:27 PM
CX upgrading  TLV-HKG to daily route
Link in Hebrew
https://passportnews.co.il/קתאי-פסיפיק-מגדילה-תדירויות-תפעיל-טיס/
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shapsam on October 24, 2018, 05:27:03 PM
CX upgrading  TLV-HKG to daily route
Link in Hebrew
https://passportnews.co.il/קתאי-פסיפיק-מגדילה-תדירויות-תפעיל-טיס/
Quote
מנכ"ל החברה בישראל: "הקו לת"א אחד מהקווים בעלי אחוזי הצמיחה המהירים ביותר של החברה אי פעם
Wow!
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on October 24, 2018, 05:42:30 PM
Wow!
Wow is right. Though this shameful airline doesn't deserve any of our money #thieves
(too long to go into details, but the horror story I had with them was far worse than anything else I've had in all the years I work in the industry. Worst customer relations department ever!)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on October 25, 2018, 11:24:45 AM
El Al launching nonstop service to NCE starting March 31
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: tavster on October 25, 2018, 11:28:48 AM
El Al launching nonstop service to NCE starting March 31
My colleague booked return flights for $247 in April
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yandmk on October 25, 2018, 11:34:26 AM
Looks like 3x weekly for now. Didn't AF recently fly this route? Anyone know why they stopped?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Proisrael on October 25, 2018, 11:45:23 AM
CX upgrading  TLV-HKG to daily route
Link in Hebrew
https://passportnews.co.il/קתאי-פסיפיק-מגדילה-תדירויות-תפעיל-טיס/

Just flew the A350-1000 on this route. Very high load factor Sold out business and premium economy.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: tavster on October 25, 2018, 11:55:11 AM
Looks like 3x weekly for now. Didn't AF recently fly this route? Anyone know why they stopped?
If I remember correctly both AF and Easyjet have seasonal flights in the summer, which they typically advertise in December-January.. I might be wrong
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Proisrael on October 25, 2018, 12:17:43 PM
If I remember correctly both AF and Easyjet have seasonal flights in the summer, which they typically advertise in December-January.. I might be wrong

Easy Jet has flights on Shabbos for under USD $100 or mid week for $150
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on October 25, 2018, 07:39:30 PM
From LY Instagram.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: tavster on October 26, 2018, 12:32:11 AM
From LY Instagram.
It's in line with the schedules you have posted in the past, right?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on October 30, 2018, 05:47:03 AM
Air India in winter 2018/19 season is increasing service to Israel, where it plans 5th weekly Delhi Tel Aviv flight on Mondays, starting 26NOV18. The airline in July 2018 introduced 4th weekly rotation.

This route is operated by Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner aircraft.

AI139 DEL1650 2045TLV 788 x35
AI140 TLV2215 0815+1DEL 788 x35
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: tavster on October 31, 2018, 01:37:50 PM
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-arkia-to-offer-flights-to-vietnam-1001258722
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on October 31, 2018, 07:18:14 PM
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-arkia-to-offer-flights-to-vietnam-1001258722
Was going to post it here when I saw the headline, but when I read the details and found out that it's all about marketing follow on flights to their BKK route, I decided to pass.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: zow on October 31, 2018, 07:34:14 PM
Question:
We will be flying on Iberia ex-TLV at 0530 mid-week, a few days after Pesach. How early will we be able to check in and get past security to the Lounge and Schmoozy Bar? The Bar and one of the Dan lounges indicate they are open 24h.

Could we possibly check in as early as 11:30pm or MN?

TIA
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: a mirrer on November 01, 2018, 01:25:36 AM
Question:
We will be flying on Iberia ex-TLV at 0530 mid-week, a few days after Pesach. How early will we be able to check in and get past security to the Lounge and Schmoozy Bar? The Bar and one of the Dan lounges indicate they are open 24h.

Could we possibly check in as early as 11:30pm or MN?

TIA
with luggage you will have to wait for Iberia to open their check in desks at most likely 3 hours before the flight
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: zow on November 01, 2018, 12:39:37 PM
with luggage you will have to wait for Iberia to open their check in desks at most likely 3 hours before the flight
Thank you. That's what I was afraid of. It is consistent with what the IAA website says -- "Iberia opens for check in 3h prior."   
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on November 05, 2018, 06:58:33 AM
El Al Israel Airlines in summer 2019 season intends to resume Tel Aviv Manchester route, previously served by the airline on regular basis until June 2001. In the GDS FLIFO section as well as the OAG, the airline filed 3 weekly service from 26MAY19, on board Boeing 737-800 aircraft.

Reservation for this route is not available.

LY301 TLV0800 1140MAN 738 247
LY302 MAN1300 2015TLV 738 247

Service operates Day 47 from 03OCT19 to 10OCT19, Day 24 from 15OCT19 to 24OCT19.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on November 06, 2018, 07:23:38 AM
El Al Israel Airlines in Northern winter 2019/20 season plans operational aircraft changes for Tel Aviv Johannesburg route, effective 27OCT19. Currently operated by Boeing 777-200ER, the airlines schedule filing is now displaying Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner operation from this date.

LY053 TLV0550 1430JNB 789 5
LY053 TLV2300 0735+1JNB 789 37
LY052 JNB2215 0650+1TLV 789 146

The 787-9 is also scheduled as one-off flight on 27SEP19 and 18OCT19, TLV departure.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on November 09, 2018, 10:07:33 AM
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/68049-kenya-airways-eyes-sudanese-transit-rights-for-israel-ops

Kenya Airways To Start Direct Flights To Israel In March 2019 - https://businesstimes.co.ke/kenya-airways-direct-flights-israel/
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on November 09, 2018, 10:09:10 AM
Israel Ambassador visits Rwanda, announces RwandAir flights to Tel Aviv in 2019 - http://en.igihe.com/spip.php?page=mv2_article&id_article=38439
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on November 09, 2018, 10:55:01 AM
Kenya Airways To Start Direct Flights To Israel In March 2019 - https://businesstimes.co.ke/kenya-airways-direct-flights-israel/
FB partner IINM.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on November 09, 2018, 11:05:57 AM
FB partner IINM.

Yup and theyre part of skyteam.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: tavster on November 12, 2018, 05:10:18 AM
LY signs code share with Vietnam Airlines - Bloomberg reports
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on November 12, 2018, 06:52:24 AM
LY signs code share with Vietnam Airlines - Bloomberg reports

Planned codeshare routes in effect from 01NOV18 (approximately; or later) as follows.

El Al Israel Airlines operated by Vietnam Airlines
Bangkok Hanoi
Bangkok Ho Chi Minh City
Hong Kong Hanoi
Hong Kong Ho Chi Minh City

Vietnam Airlines operated by El Al Israel Airlines
Tel Aviv Bangkok
Tel Aviv Hong Kong
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: chff on November 13, 2018, 03:06:41 PM
Nice new route! TAP often has very good economy and business class fares, which can work one way too. They also offer a free stopover in Lisbon option.

Lisbon Tel Aviv eff 31MAR19 1 daily A321 (Previously served from October 1993 to April 1997)
TP1603 LIS1420 2130TLV 321 D
TP1604 TLV0505 0900LIS 321 D

TAP J class  JFK-TLV $1465, TLV-JFK $1315. Good option, but a pretty poor product considering the long LIS-TLV flight

Refundable with a $150 charge is great.


Real J?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on November 13, 2018, 03:11:38 PM
Real J?

Wow, good find.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on November 13, 2018, 04:37:08 PM
Wow, good find.
+1

How are the connection times going JFK-LIS-TLV and vice versa?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on November 13, 2018, 05:16:06 PM
+1

How are the connection times going JFK-LIS-TLV and vice versa?

JFK-LIS 11:25pm-11:15am.
LIS-TLV 2:20pm-9:30pm.

TLV-LIS 5:05am-9:00am
LIS-JFK 5:10pm-8:00pm.

They also fly LIS-EWR at 12:55pm-3:50pm.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on November 13, 2018, 06:42:13 PM
JFK-LIS 11:25pm-11:15am.
LIS-TLV 2:20pm-9:30pm.

TLV-LIS 5:05am-9:00am
LIS-JFK 5:10pm-8:00pm.

They also fly LIS-EWR at 12:55pm-3:50pm.
What equipment on the JFK and EWR routes? Decent lounge in LIS?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on November 13, 2018, 07:14:53 PM
What equipment on the JFK and EWR routes? Decent lounge in LIS?

A330. Decent lounge nothing special. Also the lounge is only in the Schengen area so you need to leave yourself time for customs after.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Kabrams1618 on November 13, 2018, 11:13:21 PM
If you fly tel aviv to eilat, can you walk to the north beach from the airport or do you land outside the city?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on November 13, 2018, 11:22:51 PM
If you fly tel aviv to eilat, can you walk to the north beach from the airport or do you land outside the city?

ETH airport is about a 25 minute walk from the Hotels zone.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Baglach on November 14, 2018, 05:52:08 PM
Air Europa is adding TLV-Casablanca
https://passportnews.co.il/אייר-אירופה-מתרחבת-פותחת-קווים-לקזבלנ/
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on November 14, 2018, 07:31:30 PM
Air Europa is adding TLV-Casablanca
https://passportnews.co.il/אייר-אירופה-מתרחבת-פותחת-קווים-לקזבלנ/

-1

They are adding MAD-CMN:

UX1113 MAD 23: 25-00: 15 CMN 1--4567
UX1112 CMN 02: 15-04: 50 MAD 12--567
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: yochai on November 14, 2018, 07:46:32 PM
-1

They are adding MAD-CMN:

UX1113 MAD 23: 25-00: 15 CMN 1--4567
UX1112 CMN 02: 15-04: 50 MAD 12--567
True. IINM Israel and Morocco dont have any official diplomatic relations.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on November 14, 2018, 10:46:41 PM
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/72749-israels-arkia-adds-first-a321neolr

Arkia takes delivery of its first A321neo LR. Hopes to start service to Goa, India.

According to Hebrew news sources (https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001260544) they are also hoping to start service to NY when they take delivery of their A330-900 in about 2 years. 
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: zow on November 15, 2018, 08:43:53 PM
Is this plan too crazy? Would it even work, given Immigration and Security? Are there better ideas?

The problem: we have 0500 departure on IB TLV-MAD, and we have bags to check.  We would like to get to the airport the preceding evening and spend the time in Schmoozy Bar and Dan Lounge.

The proposed solution:
1. Online check-in (should be available 24h before flight)
2. Store luggage at TLV land-side (e.g., http://www.adonlocker.co.il/airport_lockers)
3. Clear security with carry-ons only.
4. Clear Immigration
5.  Enjoy Bar and lounge for ~6 hours.
6. Around 0200, exit sterile zone (will I even be allowed?)
7.  Retrieve bags from locker.
8. Check bags and clear security and immigration again).
9.   Enjoy the lounge for a few more hours. 
10. Depart 0500

I worry that the clearing immigration thing is going to be the problem....

Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Ergel on November 16, 2018, 12:11:28 AM
Why in the world would you want to do that? 9 hours in the airport sounds like a nightmare. Why not get a few hours of sleep and show up to the airport at 3 AM?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: davidrotts63 on November 16, 2018, 04:13:37 AM


Is this plan too crazy? Would it even work, given Immigration and Security? Are there better ideas?

The problem: we have 0500 departure on IB TLV-MAD, and we have bags to check.  We would like to get to the airport the preceding evening and spend the time in Schmoozy Bar and Dan Lounge.

The proposed solution:
1. Online check-in (should be available 24h before flight)
2. Store luggage at TLV land-side (e.g., http://www.adonlocker.co.il/airport_lockers)
3. Clear security with carry-ons only.
4. Clear Immigration
5.  Enjoy Bar and lounge for ~6 hours.
6. Around 0200, exit sterile zone (will I even be allowed?)
7.  Retrieve bags from locker.
8. Check bags and clear security and immigration again).
9.   Enjoy the lounge for a few more hours. 
10. Depart 0500

I worry that the clearing immigration thing is going to be the problem....
I intend to fly that flight soon as well, ideally I'd like to arrive around 1 am, it's much easier to travel to the airport late at night.
I'd love to hear back if you do try this...
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: travel agent on November 16, 2018, 06:42:00 AM
you cant exit airside without a real reason, missed flight etc.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: zow on November 16, 2018, 07:03:27 AM
Why in the world would you want to do that? 9 hours in the airport sounds like a nightmare. Why not get a few hours of sleep and show up to the airport at 3 AM?

First, I will need to drop rental car, so would want to arrive at airport at 2:00am, means leaving Jlem 1:30 or so. Hard to get much sleep before then, not to mention it means taking an extra night in hotel or AirBnB.

I intend to fly that flight soon as well, ideally I'd like to arrive around 1 am, it's much easier to travel to the airport late at night.
I'd love to hear back if you do try this...

Probably wont try it, because, as I suspected...
you cant exit airside without a real reason, missed flight etc.

Thanks everyone. 
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on November 16, 2018, 07:23:02 AM
First, I will need to drop rental car, so would want to arrive at airport at 2:00am, means leaving Jlem 1:30 or so. Hard to get much sleep before then, not to mention it means taking an extra night in hotel or AirBnB.

Probably wont try it, because, as I suspected...
Thanks everyone.

With so many westbound flights leaving around 5am, I don't know why they don't make some kind of accommodation at LLBG so that it doesn't turn into an extra wasted night.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: jose34 on November 17, 2018, 12:28:56 PM
I intend to fly that flight soon as well, ideally I'd like to arrive around 1 am, it's much easier to travel to the airport late at night.
I'd love to hear back if you do try this...

+1.
Would love to for someone to try this just to see if it can be done.
How would you leave the sterile area?

Does security care and can they tell if you scan your boarding pass twice?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: zow on November 17, 2018, 05:55:17 PM
+1.
Would love to for someone to try this just to see if it can be done.
How would you leave the sterile area?

Does security care and can they tell if you scan your boarding pass twice?
+1
I wont try it myself, because I really would need to get out (to grab and check my luggage) and back in.  It would be great if someone with carry-on luggage only would try it, because if they get denied exit, there is no property loss for them.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: theyankel on November 18, 2018, 09:36:23 PM
so, considering that ly 002 thursday night with all the noise was a 747, should i be concerned that  i am booked on ly 002 at of jan on what is supposed to be 787-9? is it because ly didnt take delivery of this particular 787 yet or its just not scheduled  for this route yet? i only booked ly because i wanted to try the new lie flat in j and this would be a major disappointment if there is an aircraft change
any feedback from experts here would be most appreciated
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: cdlaz on November 20, 2018, 07:55:38 AM
UA were showing off the new Premium Economy seat at the WTM show in London.
Meal: "will be a full tray"
Tray table has a tablet holder
Aisle seat's armrest lowers totally allowing you to slide out even if you still have your tray down
More comfortable than the current Economy+ seat for sure
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 20, 2018, 08:36:09 AM
United ex LHR switched from Hermolis to Stogel. Hermolis is trying to get it back.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on November 20, 2018, 09:06:51 AM
United ex LHR switched from Hermolis to Stogel. Hermolis is trying to get it back.

Wrong thread for that.

Hermolis to Stogel.. those are opposites. Even AA serves Hermolis ex-UK and United usually copies them.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: shimino1 on November 20, 2018, 09:39:24 AM
United ex LHR switched from Hermolis to Stogel. Hermolis is trying to get it back.
Source? That would be terrible!!!
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: travel agent on November 26, 2018, 09:32:07 AM
air transat cancelled their route to TLV
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on November 26, 2018, 09:33:48 AM
air transat cancelled their route to TLV

Not returning next summer? Was seasonal route.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: travel agent on November 26, 2018, 09:37:02 AM
Not returning next summer? Was seasonal route.

right, was removed yesterday
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Proisrael on November 26, 2018, 09:40:10 AM
Not returning next summer? Was seasonal route.

Its gone from their site completely..
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on November 26, 2018, 09:52:08 AM
right, was removed yesterday

Hopefully AC stays on the route. They only started it in response to Air Transat starting theirs.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on November 26, 2018, 10:36:32 AM
air transat cancelled their route to TLV

My nephew (studying in Israel) has a return ticket with them in September, 2019. Did not get any email.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: travel agent on November 26, 2018, 10:44:04 AM
My nephew (studying in Israel) has a return ticket with them in September, 2019. Did not get any email.

dont expect it the first day after the cancellation, anyway keep updating if the will protect on AC.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: tavster on November 29, 2018, 07:26:33 AM
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-vietnam-airlines-to-launch-tel-aviv-hanoi-flights-1001262727

I'm wondering if they will get to fly over Saudia Arabia?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: Yaalili on November 29, 2018, 07:28:48 AM
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-vietnam-airlines-to-launch-tel-aviv-hanoi-flights-1001262727

I'm wondering if they will get to fly over Saudia Arabia?

No need for them to, according to GCMap.
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: moisheyb on November 29, 2018, 07:29:49 AM
No need for them to, according to GCMap.
Doesn't that map take them over Iran, Iraq and or Pakistan?
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: ExGingi on November 29, 2018, 07:30:46 AM
Doesn't that map take them over Iran, Iraq and or Pakistan?
Exactly. ::)
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: tavster on November 29, 2018, 07:32:03 AM
Exactly. ::)
Excellent  ;D
Title: Re: Ex-TLV Routes and Flights Discussions
Post by: moisheyb on November 29, 2018, 07:32:18 AM