For example, I had no idea that Korean Air has a direct flight to ICN from TLV a few days every week.http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/29430 :)
For example, I had no idea that Korean Air has a direct flight to ICN from TLV a few days every week. Anyone ever take this route?
Never took, but booked many people there.Never had a clue. Was always hoping to see some competition. Now if only CX will start s/t.
The only airline flying direct to Asia besides LY.
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/29430 :)Rereading the post, I see where you made the reference. I guess I hadn't read it closely enough the first time.
i flew with united miles switched planes on us so i got a seat in businessUA switched you to Korean?
then from ICN to JFK (OZ) Asiana Airlines 222
very nice flight not a great as CX
i corrected the postUA allows redemptions on Korean?
i meant the way i "paid" for the ticket was with united miles
asiana airlines flying from koreaIn that case it was off-topic in this thread...
Never took, but booked many people there.I did. Nice flight. Empty in J/F.
The only airline flying direct to Asia besides LY.
I did. Nice flight. Empty in J/F.Did you book via KE?
Which SkyTeam member is the best to book this with?Any ideas of creative routings that can be done?
Maybe the bloggers know about this!!
For example, I had no idea that Korean Air has a direct flight to ICN from TLV a few days every week. Anyone ever take this route?
Maybe the bloggers know about this!!They do!!!
They do!!!
Dan mentioned it in his post that he linked to!!
Your excitement is contagious, and frankly, a breath of fresh air!
I think you were missing his point...I likely was. Care to explain?
Date?
TowerAir??
??Doesn't know what ex means
I will be flying the JFK-TLV route in two weeks, on July 24th, DL from JFK to TLV, connecting to KLM from AMS-TLV, flight 461, returning one week later the same way, KLM Flight 462 from TLV-AMS, and then DL from AMS-JFKIt's economy seats
Curious about the AMS-TLV business class cabin....keep gettign conflicting information.
It's economy seats
It's economy seatsAre your sure? I think KLM alternates.
Looking at a flight TLV-FRA-IAD on LH in biz. I know the seats to FRA are not really biz but what about FRA-IAD? The LH chart shows the flight 416 is not yet the new biz, but how bad is the old biz on that route?If it's a 747 800 it will have the new business, quite a nice plane.
fyi chart is here http://www.lufthansa.com/de/en/Business-Class-Product
If it's a 747 800 it will have the new business, quite a nice plane.
It's A330-300, so not new, how bad is the old compared to UA or LY?Its much worse than UA if you want to sleep.
Wizz Air to launch 3 Tel Aviv-East European routes - Globes (http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000860948&fid=1725)
Some more budget airline routes.
http://igoogledisrael.com/2013/07/even-more-flights-to-tel-aviv-open-up-now-from-lithuania-poland-and-romania/?utm_source=feedly
Are your sure? I think KLM alternates.According to the seat map that Sabre pulls up
You were a few minutes too late :)
Here's a good summary of all budget carriers w/ flights from TLV.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/el-al-matmid/1493864-master-thread-list-all-low-cost-flights-tlv.html
Wow! We need own skies policy from NY to TLV too!There is.
There is.Spare?? On such a profitable route?! :-\
LCCs don't generally have spare 777s.
Some comments:Hmm interesting! It leaves on Shabbos? Or close to Shabbos?
....., and cheaper if you can leave on shabbos (via the use of many shinuim).
Keep in mind that many of these prices aren't for the summer months (EasyJet doesn't show availability out that far), and they are only this low when booking a few months in advance.+1000000
Hmm interesting! It leaves on Shabbos? Or close to Shabbos?
Can you expound (or link) on what you're referring to with those shinuiyim?! :D+1000000
Many a time the fares are way higher than this.
2 weekly flights on Wizz to Warsaw.
http://airlineroute.net/2013/08/29/w6-wawtlv-nov13/
Wizz Air to launch Tel Aviv-Warsaw route
(http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000875459&fid=1725)
Guess I posted in the wrong threadYup
I wonder if this will do anything to lower prices to Canada.So they've added an allowance for 1 flight a week. Who cares?
http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000884204
Oddly enough, Katz said it'll increase it to 12 a week, but according to the article it's already 11 a week.
So they've added an allowance for 1 flight a week. Who cares?That's why I'm wondering if I'm missing something in it.
Acc to FT, the KE flight will now have lie flat beds in J.It always had flat seats in J, you can see the seat type on their website.
What's the cheapest way to fly J to ICN? On the way to the US? (I remember that Dan did this a few years ago.)
http://www.janglo.net/component/option,com_adsmanager/page,display/tid,285484/catid,99/Itemid,361
It always had flat seats in J, you can see the seat type on their website.According to SeatGuru, the 777-200 they're flying now is angled flat in J.
140k AS to fly KE J to the Middle East RT... anyone book that to TLV yet?Does it price out on their website? And do they allow stopovers?
And do they allow stopovers?oh how would you know the bloggers didn't post about it yet.
oh how would you know the bloggers didn't post about it yet.Exactly, that's my issue. If only the bloggers had posted about this, I'd have been able to post about it here.
According to SeatGuru, the 777-200 they're flying now is angled flat in J.(http://i40.tinypic.com/hrnalg.png)
Maybe they're showing what the new aircraft setup will be? That is what the page says.
I've been on the plane and tell you for a fact it's lie flat.By far and away the best seat that flies into TLV.
By far and away the best seat that flies into TLV.
That sells into TLV. LX F also flies into TLV.But without LX F service KE still wins easy.
According to the seat map that Sabre pulls upConfirming AMS-TLV business class is regular economy plus with the middle seat empty.
KE blocks its premium availability for partners?Most of it, yes.
Wasn't sure where to put this, and it may have been obvious, but I searched AMM-SYD on DL to see if it would pull up the direct AMM flight on Virgin Australia.
No such flightI guess it didn't make sense.
Is their Ny flight from Gatwick or Heathrow?LGW
So they'll let you do JFK-LGW-TLV?I would suspect that's why they're doing this LGWTLV flight. All depends on flight schedule though.
You can book it, but by the time the flight go to JFK your ticket would be voided.so u know for sure you have to leave from there first? but on way back can walk out of jfk and not continue
have a question if anybody would know if I see a flight from Washington dc to TLV with a stop the stop is JFK can I start out from JFK and skip the start out of DC ? I don't see why not
Yeah, I think AJK knows for sure.thanks, which type miles/points can be transferred into delta miles?
On the return at JFK you can leave the airport.
SPG and MR.thanks MR is 1 for 1 ?
SPG and MR.Criiingggg.
thanks MR is 1 for 1 ?wow just searched there is a fee to transfer
I know there isn't, but just giving it a try in case I miss something.QF
Is there an airline that partners with both - ElAl and EK?
QFBut keep in mind that when booked with them, bags won't go through, as there is no interline agreement.
QFThanks!
But keep in mind that when booked with them, bags won't go through, as there is no interline agreement.That's a huge downside, but as long I can do it on one ticket (so airline is responsible in the event of delays) its still a viable option.
#learnedthehardway
Thanks!
That's a huge downside, but as long I can do it on one ticket (so airline is responsible in the event of delays) its still a viable option.
I know there isn't, but just giving it a try in case I miss something.Looks like Aeromexico is.
Is there an airline that partners with both - ElAl and DL?
Looks like Aeromexico is.And how does that help me?
Looks like Aeromexico is.AM has nothing to do with Elal.
Looks like Aeromexico is.Fly Luxus made them a home-made partner of LY. But in general, they have no connection.
If I may ask: are you trying to do JFK-MXP-TLV?Interesting, they say total YQ and taxes would be around $200.
Interesting, they say total YQ and taxes would be around $200.QF does not have YQ on EK ex-US or into US.
Does that make sense?
Emirates itself charges over $1,000 in YQ.
Fly Luxus made them a home-made partner of LY. But in general, they have no connection.Thanks.
FYI, Terminal 1 is reopening for low-cost flights.it's been open for years now for easyjet, wizzair etc.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/173273#.Um4tanCnrqQ
it's been open for years now for easyjet, wizzair etc.What do you mean that you've had to transfer back to T3?
Maybe they mean that flights will actually depart from there now, as opposed to untill now you had to transfer back to T3 afterwards.
What do you mean that you've had to transfer back to T3?After check in and security, a bus would transfer you to the gates at T3.
is it possible to get nyc-tlv in saver first with UA?
thanx. any UA partner airline that has real first?LH, but you can only book <15 out
LH, but you can only book <15 out
And that is only to FRA/MUC. From there only European business. Doesn't LX have first class on their A330 which they sometimes fly to TLV?LX doesn't release F space to partners
LX doesn't release F space to partners
can someone explain this route?
LH 8341
why to turkey?
LX doesn't release F space to partnersLX doesn't sell F at all on ZRHTLVZRH
Saw fly luxus mentioned. What are they? Just selling business class points tickets? Or something else? Some israeli guy told me i got to speak to them.they pull alot of shtick with airlines, and many of the times it gets cancelled a day before the flight, you are left without a ticket, luxus will not help you. My advice from experience, is to keep far away from them.
EasyJet applied to fly 3 weekly flights to SXF (Berlin).
Anyone know why UA84/85 are late this Friday/Saturday?
El Al is having their news conference today (I think) about their new 'low-cost' subsidary.LY thinks they can succeed where CO, DL, and UA failed miserably?
LY thinks they can succeed where CO, DL, and UA failed miserably?I don't think it'll work, but the European market is diff than the US market and LCCs seem to do quite well. But their structural problems won't allow it to work for them IMO.
That's cute.
LY thinks they can succeed where CO, DL, and UA failed miserably?Israelis ::)
That's cute.
I don't think it'll work, but the European market is diff than the US market and LCCs seem to do quite well. But their structural problems won't allow it to work for them IMO.LCCs do well everywhere.
LCCs do well everywhere.LY is quite a small airline, and if done properly (ie, none of the legacy overhead), may be able to succeed.
LCCs run by big airlines do not.
LY is quite a small airline, and if done properly (ie, none of the legacy overhead), may be able to succeed.there main draw is there legacy overhead,crazy security etc.. they don't offer anything else as far as hard product and service.
But it's LY we're talking about...
they don't offer anything else as far as hard product and service.The other LLC's are much to sneeze at either.
LY thinks they can succeed where CO, DL, and UA failed miserably?They wouldn't even know that other airlines tried and failed.
That's cute.
LY is quite a small airline, and if done properly (ie, none of the legacy overhead), may be able to succeed.They lowered the price without lowering the cost structure it's just a big joke.
But it's LY we're talking about...
They wouldn't even know that other airlines tried and failed.alol!
And that's why they won't compete till they can shed their union costs. But I don't think that even a bankruptcy would help w/ those.
They lowered the price without lowering the cost structure it's just a big joke.
I read in one newspaper that elal is also thinking of puting out a credit card, anyone know about this?They're trying to do it, yes.
Turkey signed today an agreement to allow Israeli airlines to fly to Turkeylink?
link?
Wizz Air to/from LvivAnd now to Sofia as well.
http://airlineroute.net/2013/12/18/wu-lwo-s14update2/
Any LCC for TLV-BRU (or close by)Yes, jetairfly.com TLV-LGG
Gonna drive LY outta biz soon...Obviously Israel values having more tourists over having a flag carrier.
Obviously Israel values having more tourists over having a flag carrier.LY will never go under due to their political power. But until they undergo a well needed restructuring, they're gonna struggle.
Today (December 31) only - El Al "Fun Day" sale: a one-day sale on TLV-Europe flights: http://www.elal.co.il/ELAL/Hebrew/Deals/Deals/Campaigns_items/He_ELAL_Fun_Day_Campaign_261213.htm
Vienna for under 200 bucks ain't bad. :)
$300 to Milan. Bookable on Orbitz and this is a good way for me to spend my Orbitz voucher. Thanks El Al. Hello Milan.
Ps. Good thing I got that Platinum Status
Bookable via me, too. :P
Here's the English link: http://www.elal.co.il/ELAL/English/SpecialOffers/SpecialOffers_items/En_ELAL_Fun_Day_Campaign_261213.htm
Today (December 31) only - El Al "Fun Day" sale: a one-day sale on TLV-Europe flights: http://www.elal.co.il/ELAL/Hebrew/Deals/Deals/Campaigns_items/He_ELAL_Fun_Day_Campaign_261213.htm
Vienna for under 200 bucks ain't bad. :)
This isn't ex-TLV, but I see that Turkish started flights to KTM (Nepal).Is that the best way to go TLV - KTM, and are there any other options
40k RT in economy w/ UA miles.
Is that the best way to go TLV - KTM, and are there any other optionsChk out all the carriers who fly there.
Chk out all the carriers who fly there.Thanks, though I never heard of most of those airlines ever knew of United Airways ???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribhuvan_International_Airport
IST is the most direct, or at least it appears that way.
Thanks, though I never heard of most of those airlines ever knew of United Airways ???Your other option would be to route through AMM and either DOH or AUH, but I'm unsure if there's a published routing, and if there isn't, you'd need to use an AA explorer award.
and thanks for all of your other posts on this thread, very useful, lots of cool things can be done from TLV in J on the cheap
Your other option would be to route through AMM and either DOH or AUH, but I'm unsure if there's a published routing, and if there isn't, you'd need to use an AA explorer award.Qatar is already bookable on OW?
Qatar is already bookable on OW?Qatar is, but only over the phone.
and how would routing go through AUH didn't know Etihad was part of OW
and third if it is published routing then how many AA miles RT in J
Is that the best way to go TLV - KTM, and are there any other options
The best option is TLV-BOM-KTM or TLV-AMM-DEL-KTM for 17K/25K AAhow are you getting from BOM - KTM?
The best option is TLV-BOM-KTM or TLV-AMM-DEL-KTM for 17K/25K AAHow are you flying BOM/DEL-KTM w/ One World?
9WDoes LY have a published routing if you route via BOM?
Not oneworld , but AA partner
Does LY have a published routing if you route via BOM?
And is their website the only way to chk award availability?
I succesfully booked TLV-BOM-DEL-KTM and KTM-BOM-TLV with AA miles , so i guess there is a published routing.Is their J any good? Or just middle seat closed off for these short hauls?
You can check their website but you need an active account with at least two activities. The other way is to call AA to check for 9W.
Easy Jet to CDG.not happening
http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000904407
Gonna drive LY outta biz soon...
they pull alot of shtick with airlines, and many of the times it gets cancelled a day before the flight, you are left without a ticket, luxus will not help you. My advice from experience, is to keep far away from them.
Anybody book with them???
Fly Luxus that is.. they are quoting me prices $300 less then everyone elsestay away you have a big chance of coming to the flight and not being allowed on
What does that even mean?I have no personal experience, but I do know that a travel agent's margin isn't over $300 and that he wouldn't have special access to rates that low. So if he's able to undercut the market so much, then I'd imagine there's s/t strange going on.
Anyone ever fly from TLV to one of DUB, EDI or GLA (I think I got all those right :) )?BUMPity BUMP
It doesn't seem like there are any direct routes, and even the ones with a stopover (via ITA) are a bit pricey- in the $600 range.
BUMPity BUMPIf those are the prices, why not use miles?
If those are the prices, why not use miles?I didn't check different legs or the discount carriers. I'll try that. Thanks!
Also, did you check different legs sep? Maybe EasyJet to London, and then Avios, or s/t similar?
Any advice for TLV-GIB? Seems like a surprisingly impractical route to fly, unless I'm missing something.You are missing something!
You are missing something!
As the Spanish are fighting the brits on Gibraltar the Spanish won't allows anyone to land in gib other than flights originating in the UK.
Yeah, that much I noticed - but it seems like a overnight stop is required in each direction, plus prices are $1800 per person... in coach. :oba has a flight leaving from LHR 10:10am so getting that flight you would need overnight in London.
El Al adding 12 flights to Londonhopefully that will bring prices down a little
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4478938,00.html
El Al adding 12 flights to LondonAccording to someone on FT, they do this each year. They add on the flights in the summer, start removing them over the winter, and then announce a bunch more flights for the next summer.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4478938,00.html
If those are the prices, why not use miles?Even the discount carriers are fairly pricey. I'm starting to think it's best to use AA miles (instead of BA Avios, which would mean a high fuel charge).
Also, did you check different legs sep? Maybe EasyJet to London, and then Avios, or s/t similar?
Even the discount carriers are fairly pricey. I'm starting to think it's best to use AA miles (instead of BA Avios, which would mean a high fuel charge).AB and Niki don't fly there? You could avoid YQ w/ them, although you'd have to pay for each leg sep.
Thanks!
How likely is it to miss the connection doing that, and are airlines usuallyhelpf ul in such situations?You could book it all on 1 ticket if BA lets you. It's just a connecting leg.
You could book it all on 1 ticket if BA lets you. It's just a connecting leg.And on aa
And on aacorrect, but depending on your AA valuation, BA might be a better play.
If someone needs to fly from TLV to London for one day (for a wedding or something), what would be the best mileage program for that?Why should a day be different than s/t longer?
Why should a day be different than s/t longer?
To head off useless suggestions like "just look for an El Al winter sale ticket!" and such.your best option is avios to LHR for 12.5k miles and $57 taxes, returning with easyjet, as Drago said
Thanks for the advice. Anyone else have any other suggestions?
Thanks!YQ + APD
I'm guessing that YQ is only outrageous ex-LHR...?
Thanks!Chk it, but I recall that it wasn't so terrible, although there's the additional LHR fees which you have to pay which bumps it up.
I'm guessing that YQ is only outrageous ex-LHR...?
Thanks!yup
I'm guessing that YQ is only outrageous ex-LHR...?
Not sure if anyone is interested, but I've been seeing cheap Aegean fares that end up in Greece, Spain and Italy.Thx! Where are you searching?
One example: Feb 8-11 to Barcelona at 5.9 cpm ($226.12) in P class (I think that's most likely only really helpful for crediting to Aegean itself, but you might be interested in that)
Thx! Where are you searching?You're welcome!
FYI, Ethiopian is adding in 9 more weekly flights.
You're welcome!Lots of places, including SEZ, S. Africa, Europe, USA, etc.
I've been using kayak explore and then looking up more details on ita.
Where does Ethiopian continue to?
Lots of places, including SEZ, S. Africa, Europe, USA, etc.Interesting! Thanks
See this post.
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=18280.msg923819#msg923819
EasyJet has a bunch of sub $120 fares RT in December and other months.Destination?
Destination?
Destination?Oops. Geneva, Milan.
Is TLV-ATH called domestic?No. The 8x is for their international flights. You have to scroll over.
Seems like Aegean's new chart will charge award redemptions on their metal by the distance flown, w/ a 7k min.Their best value still is OW on *A in J 45k TLV to North America, or 60k in first about a third of what UA charges but they don't allow mixed cabin bookings.
That means that TLV-ATH (or elsewhere in Greece) would price out at 14k RT?
http://www.newmilesandbonus.com/en#how-you-spend-miles
And the rest of Europe would be a good value as well.
Seems like LOT is flying the 787 TLV-WAW on Oct 19, next sunday. As well as Monday, Oct. 20
Not bad for people scheduled on that flight.
High Loads.
I heard great things about that Aircraft.
On another note, TK is flying mostly A330 next week. Usually they fly a mix between 737, A320, A321, A330, but most of the days next week look like A330sI got it on all 4 legs of TLV-MLE, including the return IST-TLV where it was just my wife and I w/ 2 other ppl.
I got it on all 4 legs of TLV-MLE, including the return IST-TLV where it was just my wife and I w/ 2 other ppl.
Great hard product.
Were you on the -200 or -300 series?I think it was 300
I think it was 300
Flatbed or no? -200 is angled business, -300 is flatbed businessflat bed
Im thinking of booking a flight from tlv to nyc on elal for late winter with aa miles. I would deff want to get a free flight to lax or hnl or something but I cant leave within 24 hrs. Does anyone know a way around ? Maybe after they take off elal I can switch the date for the second leg but the first one will automatically stay ???If that works, i'd be quite pleased
http://www.timesofisrael.com/budget-airline-looks-at-european-flights-to-eilat/I don't see the attraction for airlines to fly there until:
I don't see the attraction for airlines to fly there until:They signed off on building a second international airport down there recently.
A) they finally build a normal airport just outside Eilat
They signed off on building a second international airport down there recently.I know that, but realistically these projects wont be operational for a good 5 years at a minimum
And a Chinese company won a tender to build a railroad from Eilat to Tel Aviv'ish.
I know that, but realistically these projects wont be operational for a good 5 years at a minimumYou're quite optimistic w/ your 5 year horizon. :)
You're quite optimistic w/ your 5 year horizon. :)indeed, & that's exactly why I can't see any international airlines flying there in the near future
indeed, & that's exactly why I can't see any international airlines flying there in the near future& yet look how wrong I am :)
Finally some competition with LY to Asia
HU is to start flying the PEK-TLV route,
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4595641,00.html
Finally some competition with LY to Asia
HU is to start flying the PEK-TLV route,
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4595641,00.html
@winglets747 - Hainan's route wish list for 2015: LAX, Manchester, Montreal, Oakland, SFO, JFK, LHR, Tel Aviv & Nairobi. Expect only a few to be approved
Finally some competition with LY to AsiaThis should be bookable on AA, correct?
HU is to start flying the PEK-TLV route,
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4595641,00.html
TLV's first skytrax 5The only difference between them and LY is that they care enough to bribe someone at SkyTrax
The only difference between them and LY is that they care enough to bribe someone at SkyTrax
The only difference between them and LY is that they care enough to bribe someone at SkyTrax
This should be bookable on AA, correct?With miles?
what my best (read cheapest) option to fly to VCE from TLV?
A3, if you can get it in P class.with miles or revenue?
A3, if you can get it in P class.and they don't start flying to VCE until 5/10
with miles or revenue?
Revenue. One-way TLV-VCE, for example:how do i find that, let alone book it?
and they don't start flying to VCE until 5/10
how do i find that, let alone book it?
Matrix. In the advanced routing codes box, you type A3+ / f bc=p.everytime i use matrix i grow another white hair, for example now. what the heck is "QPX Warning. Illegal faring spec: missing Boolean connective"?
everytime i use matrix i grow another white hair, for example now. what the heck is "QPX Warning. Illegal faring spec: missing Boolean connective"?
I don't seem to recall you specifying a date.that is correct, though the day i plan a trip so far ahead will be the day grow horns
Dunno. Try unchecking "Only show flights and prices with available seats" for now, just so you get a feel for it (see screenshot).thanks so much
While we're at it... it's unlikely you'll find P, so here's your next tip: it appears that A3's economy booking classes are Y, B, M, H, Q, V, W, O, L, K, J, E, S, T, U, and P. So start with A3+ / f bc=p, and then change the p to u, then t, etc. until you find something.
Revenue. One-way TLV-VCE, for example:what date was that example you showed me? also i cant seem to find a flight under 300 RT which is way above my budget for flights to europe
what date was that example you showed me? also i cant seem to find a flight under 300 RT which is way above my budget for flights to europe
Irrelevant. The one I posted is not bookable anyway; it's the Sabre equivalent of unchecking "Only show flights and prices with available seats" in Matrix. I just picked a random date in August to show you what's theoretically possible.i hear. any other ideas as this isnt working for me. cant find avail dates. are there any good award redemptions to italy?
i hear. any other ideas as this isnt working for me. cant find avail dates. are there any good award redemptions to italy?Aegean miles have some good rates for direct flights.
Aegean miles have some good rates for direct flights.thanks, i cant for the life of me figure out how to book an award flight on their site, where do i find that option?
See here.
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=18280.msg926442#msg926442
thanks, i cant for the life of me figure out how to book an award flight on their site, where do i find that option?I don't have any experience w/ that.
I don't have any experience w/ that.thanks, i figured it out, i have to request it through a form, this is ridiculous
Maybe this will help?
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/aegean-airlines-miles-bonus/1338993-faq-no-1-aegean-miles-bonus-all-you-need-know.html
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-easyjet-to-launch-tel-aviv-paris-flights-1000993822this is very good for going to morocco from TLV
this is very good for going to morocco from TLVwhat's the cheapest way to continue to Morocco?
what's the cheapest way to continue to Morocco?assuming you will be going out in paris and airport changes are fine Ryanair from BVA to RAK can be as low as $25 OW
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-easyjet-to-launch-tel-aviv-paris-flights-1000993822also it seems that there is no availability with prices anywhere near that. seems the cheapest is around 100 euro OW so an alternate decent option would be TLV- MXP-CMN on easyjet or TLV-BGY-RAK on Ryanair
UP generally has fares for $70 one way$140 RT?
$140 RT?or cheaper
New Tel Aviv-Beijing route in Sept with Hainan.
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-hainan-airlines-to-launch-tel-aviv-beijing-route-1001000201
Finally some competition with LY to Asia
HU is to start flying the PEK-TLV route,
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4595641,00.html
What is the cheapest way to fly tel aviv to thessoloniki greece at the end of feb beginning of march.Awards will 99% of the time be more expensive.
I also have usair britishair and united points if awards are possible.
What do you mean awards will be more expensive. Because of fees. Which airlines should be lookatsince the value of the miles is usually above the price is booked revenue
Round trip.Are you flexible?Europe is very cheap but that usually entails being flexible.the cheapest carriers direct to Greece are usually Aegean and Up. if your looking to get there as cheap as possible then your best bet is probably to fly to Athens and back from Thessaloniki for around $160 and then take a short flight to Thessaloniki (Ryanair flies that route and is usually around $25 as well as Aegean who usually is around $50)
We are looking for a thursday to sunday
and be able to stay at a hyattthat pretty much narrows it down to Thessaloniki or Milan. Though my particular service i had in the Hyatt in Thessaloniki was the best i experienced in any hyatt, IMO its not worth going there over the other places just since you have the free nights. for me it got old in a day
I need to get a small, very important package from Venice to Israel, ASAP. What is the absolute physically cheapest possible way to make the trip (either originating in Israel, so I can pick it up; or originating in Venice, so I can bribe someone from there to bring it here)? No baggage, no frills, no EQMs or whatever - just round-trip travel, zehu. Any ideas?Fly via Milan and take the 9 euro 2 1/2 train
I need to get a small, very important package from Venice to Israel, ASAP. What is the absolute physically cheapest possible way to make the trip (either originating in Israel, so I can pick it up; or originating in Venice, so I can bribe someone from there to bring it here)? No baggage, no frills, no EQMs or whatever - just round-trip travel, zehu. Any ideas?10k avios OW.
10k avios OW.Sorry, I was thinking of Viena, my bad.
Sorry, I was thinking of Viena, my bad.I was in the process of writing how wrong you are, and now it's all in vain
I was in the process of writing how wrong you are, and now it's all in vainEvil laugh.....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
whats my best option for points to Norway? specifically TLV-TOSAccording to http://www.economicalexcursionists.com/travelTools/, the best option would be Avianca (20k Y; 35k J) with a stop in Stockholm (flying SK to ARN and then KF (?) Blue1 to TOS). You could fly the same route using United miles, but it would be 25k and 45k.
According to http://www.economicalexcursionists.com/travelTools/, the best option would be Avianca (20k Y; 35k J) with a stop in Stockholm (flying SK to ARN and then KF (?) Blue1 to TOS). You could fly the same route using United miles, but it would be 25k and 45k.forgot about that site, love it.
However, other websites aren't showing a two-flight combination that way, so I'm not really sure if it's a possible routing any more. OpenFlights and OptiFly both say that only Norwegian Air Shuttle flies direct TLV-ARN.
forgot about that site, love it.Yeah, looks like they haven't yet updated Avianca's Oct. changes:
on avianca its pricing out at 24000 for TLV-IST-OSL-TOS
OpenFlights and OptiFly both say that only Norwegian Air Shuttle flies direct TLV-ARN.i was playing around with optifly just now and it didn't seem to be entirely accurate
How can I figure out a list of published routings to take advantage of AA's cheap rates from TLV to elsewhere in the Middle East (MLE, for example), or to Asia?
How can I figure out a list of published routings to take advantage of AA's cheap rates from TLV to elsewhere in the Middle East (MLE, for example), or to Asia?Check the wiki http://http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=.0
tlv to mle only 70k UA in J RTand 90k UA in F
and 90k UA in FIs there even a difference between F and J on this route? I'm flying Turkish in J and I don't think there even is F?
Is there even a difference between F and J on this route? I'm flying Turkish in J and I don't think there even is F?
How can I figure out a list of published routings to take advantage of AA's cheap rates from TLV to elsewhere in the Middle East (MLE, for example), or to Asia?Few options exist.
Is there even a difference between F and J on this route? I'm flying Turkish in J and I don't think there even is F?It's a good J though
Few options exist.And if I want it to all be one ticket, my first step has to be TLV-AMM, correct?
Basically, RJ, or Qatar. Etihad won't work from TLV
It's a good J thoughCan you please expand on what u mean by long haul product? And how I found out if we got one :D??
And you might get lucky and get the J long haul product on TLV-IST as well.
Thanks all And if I want it to all be one ticket, my first step has to be TLV-AMM, correct?yup, and that's available in J more than Y.
Can you please expand on what u mean by long haul product? And how I found out if we got one :D??Chk http://seatguru.com/ , but if i remember correctly, it's the A330 which has the nice product. Lie flat, tons of leg room, etc.
Etihad won't work from TLVwhat do you mean by that?
what do you mean by that?
yup, and that's available in J more than Y.
Chk http://seatguru.com/ , but if i remember correctly, it's the A330 which has the nice product. Lie flat, tons of leg room, etc.
Two of the 3 flights we've taken on this route had this product, and the other just had recliner seats.
No published routing ex-TLV.+1
Where's a good place for a family (with young kids) to go on vacation for a coupla days in August, ex-TLV? Somewhere in Europe, I presume, but I'd welcome some suggestions, as the August weather seems to be oppressive in many of the usual go-to places. Thanks!I'm not great w/ Europe, but Vienna and train rides from there should be a good balance for kids/parents/kosher/distance
Where's a good place for a family (with young kids) to go on vacation for a coupla days in August, ex-TLV? Somewhere in Europe, I presume, but I'd welcome some suggestions, as the August weather seems to be oppressive in many of the usual go-to places. Thanks!Iceland an option?
I'm not great w/ Europe, but Vienna and train rides from there should be a good balance for kids/parents/kosher/distance
Iceland an option?
its stunnng but a pita to get there. unless your kids are into outdoors adventures they'll be bored.
Hmmmmmm... why?
ETA: is the type of aircraft written on the itin subject to change?
Of course
its stunnng but a pita to get there. unless your kids are into outdoors adventures they'll be bored.It's known to be very child friendly
but but but but but but I wanna be in the good aircraft :'( :'( :'(Where is your concern? IST to MLE? Guaranteed you will have a long haul, TLV-IST for 2 hours no need to make a fuzz
Where is your concern? IST to MLE? Guaranteed you will have a long haul, TLV-IST for 2 hours no need to make a fuzz
Thanks. "Train rides from there" to where, for example?From Vienna to Salzburg, places closer to the Alps, Slovenia, etc.
No published routing ex-TLV. You should know that... :D
+1
I'm looking into tickets from tlv-fco-vce-tlv from 3/11-3/15. I found on Alitalia for $327. Are there any better options?? I've checked easy jet and there aren't any flights for the times I want. I also have points/ miles but haven't found cheap fares. I've never been to Europe before so I'm not sure where else to look. If anyone has any tips in booking I'd really appreciate it!!@emkay has pointed out that EasyJet to Milan can be cheap, and then take a train to Venice.
I'm looking into tickets from tlv-fco-vce-tlv from 3/11-3/15Why try to do both? How long will you be In each?
Why try to do both? How long will you be In each?As I said before I was never there and have this craziness in my head for years to go to Rome and Venice. I know you hate Rome. Leaving Tlv on Wednesday. My stopover there is for 23 hrs 50 minutes. Then going to venice for shabbos. Coming back Sunday morning. I found an all inclusive ticket, which to me made the most sense convenience wise, traveling with a baby. My question is if there is a more economical way to do it?
@emkay has pointed out that EasyJet to Milan can be cheap, and then take a train to Venice.I checked easyjet. I'd prefer on mode of transportation. Especially with a baby.
I checked easyjet. I'd prefer on mode of transportation. Especially with a baby.saying you prefer plane to train with a baby? i can tell you never took budget european airlines VS the trains.
saying you prefer plane to train with a baby? i can tell you never took budget european airlines VS the trains.+1 about the train. The train ride from Rome to Venice is very enjoyable (I can't comment about the baby part) and you can also stop off in Florence on the way as well.
i have done both with a baby and i would pick train in a heartbeat. trust me, take as few of these flights as possible with your baby, even if it means forgoing a "craziness" ( or dont,but tell me after how i was right ;D )
saying you prefer plane to train with a baby? i can tell you never took budget european airlines VS the trains.I would assume it's easier just flying straight into the city than flying into one then going the the train.... How bad is Alitalia already?
i have done both with a baby and i would pick train in a heartbeat. trust me, take as few of these flights as possible with your baby, even if it means forgoing a "craziness" ( or dont,but tell me after how i was right ;D )
(I can't comment about the baby part)Key factor my friend!
I would assume it's easier just flying straight into the city than flying into one then going the the train.... How bad is Alitalia already?Your not flying straight into the city. You have a stopover in Rome (both ways?)
Your not flying straight into the city. You have a stopover in Rome (both ways?)Correct but stopping for a day in Rome overnight and the way back is 2 hr stop.
Correct but stopping for a day in Rome overnight and the way back is 2 hr stop.It's all part of the learning experience.
I found on easy jet ow for $118 Tlv-fco but can't find a return from vce or mxp-Tlv on sunday
It's all part of the learning experience.So ur letting me learn the hard way?? I don't mind being convinced to do it ur way it just has to make more sense to me.
Waiting PATIENTLY for a TR when it's overIm very impressed
right, but you can still put it on the same ticket with the low mileage (i think that was the point of his question)But it would still be two separate awards, no?
But it would still be two separate awards, no?no, thats precisely my point. i put kul-auh-amm-tlv on same award
no, thats precisely my point. i put kul-auh-amm-tlv on same awardSeems like you got lucky, b/c officially, it shouldn't work.
Seems like you got lucky, b/c officially, it shouldn't work.i have a method thats been working so far...
But when you bat your eyelashes, CS reps swoon...
i have a method thats been working so far...Care to share? :)
Care to share? :)
Seems like you got lucky, b/c officially, it shouldn't work.
But when you bat your eyelashes, CS reps swoon...
i have a method thats been working so far...On AA via connections. Why is that complicated? Why shouldn't it work as long as you follow the timing rules (RT or one-way)
On AA via connections. Why is that complicated? Why shouldn't it work as long as you follow the timing rules (RT or one-way)Needs to be a published routing.
Needs to be a published routing.He must have called it in. Wouldn't that work?
Etihad doesn't (appear to) publish routings from Israel (although Qatar does).
He must have called it in. Wouldn't that work?All Etihad flights have to be called in, so that wouldn't help. They typically have a strong computer system that won't allow these to be ticketed.
Etihad is obviously in-line using AA from TLV to Asia or South Pacific. Why would ticketing through AA be affected by Etihad's anti-Israel rules as long as the Etihad flight doesn't land in TLV?The airline has to publish a routing from a city for AA to (officially ticket it). It's one of their unique rules.
(I would hate to hog the thread due to my ignorance. Please direct me to a thread if there is one already).
The airline has to publish a routing from a city for AA to (officially ticket it). It's one of their unique rules.
http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/2014/06/08/american-aadvantage-award-routing-rules/
Ah haaaa. Thanx! I see, though its not totally clear if that applies in this situation considering that the flight we're referring to is from KUL-AUH-AMM then to TLV.Malaysia likely doesn't fly to AUH, chk.
But taking your word for if... so the easiest way to do this would be to:
1) avoid AUH
2) travel via AUH but use Malaysia Airlines (@ your own risk)
3) Just knock TLV off the AA itinerary & use 4.5k Avios for that leg
That right?
Possible that moish is somehow booking the itinerary w/o TLV and then adding it in later using his "eyelashes"?? :-*
(moish you can help us out here :'( )
I'm not stam yenting, I'm looking into Asia 2 for the summer coming from TLV. BTW
I flew from tlv to phl on us air in economy
I need to change my return flight date at the last minute.
Anyone know the cost to change the ticket.
Does it matter that one ticket was bought on us air site and the other on aa site but both are on same plane.
Phone not available right now, just wanted to see if anyone knew from experience.If you're talking about a RT revenue ticket, it'll depend what fare class you're booked in and what fare class you switch to (in addition to any change fees)
Etihad won't work from TLV
what do you mean by that?
No published routing ex-TLV. You should know that... :D
There are definitely much quicker ways to get to LHR ;)
You guys sure about that??
how long is the trip, start to finish
You guys sure about that??
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how long is the trip, start to finish
Just look at the start and finish time, London is 2 hours behind so essentially taking off the 14th at 8:10 PM (London time) and arriving the 16th at 7:35 am aprox 36 hoursyou nuts!!
Just look at the start and finish time, London is 2 hours behind so essentially taking off the 14th at 8:10 PM (London time) and arriving the 16th at 7:35 am aprox 36 hoursThe trip doesn't end in London....
The trip doesn't end in London....Is LHR-LAX at least direct? Is it BA F?
You guys sure about that??
1) I said EY doesn't publish a routing TLV-Australia. I didn't say there's no published routing for TLV-London.1) I misunderstood you
2) Even so, who said it's pricing as one award, anyway? Prove it.
im pretty sure this whole published routing thing went awayThat would be awesome. Link?
That would be awesome. Link?just various routings i was able to book in the past little while
Just noticed that LY only charges 100 Matmid points OW to Budapest and 120 to Prague (i.e. 5k and 6k Amex per way). Anyone have a chart of the LY redemptions on UP? I tried searching, but could only find the rates for LY's regular flights.and how much yq?
and how much yq?$40 something
$40 somethingrevenue is same price if not cheaper
revenue is same price if not cheaperTrue, but availability for the cheaper prices was different: certain days had $180 flights but no awards, and vice versa.
revenue is same price if not cheaperPrices hit 300-400$ OW sometimes.
Upcoming flights to Manila?what does this change? you can currently get to MNL via IST
http://www.interaksyon.com/business/112169/philippine-carrier-can-now-fly-to-europe-via-istanbul
what does this change? you can currently get to MNL via ISTIt seemed that they may introduce a direct option, based on the reading of the article.
It seemed that they may introduce a direct option, based on the reading of the article.not sure where you pulled that from but thats not what the article says
not sure where you pulled that from but thats not what the article saysSo I have poor English skills.
are there any other other flights from TLV-SIN with one stop other then star alliance?Another option is TLV-MUC-SIN on LH a320/a321 and SQ 777.
TLV-IST-SIN on TK and SQ with A321 and 777 (possibly also TK A320)
TLV-ZRH-SIN on LX and SQ with A330 and A380
TLV-FRA-SIN on LH and SQ with A321 and A380
if not then which of these are the best option?
TLV-ZRH-SIN is the best option. Real J on LX and SQ a380.
not neccesarily, I've flown TLV-ZRH on LX and sometimes was wide-body, sometimes was narrow-body... YMMVLX a320 = fake J
Worth adding 2 hrs to each flight over IST? From 2 to to 4 and 10 to 12
TLV-ZRH-SIN is the best option. Real J on LX and SQ a380.
Worth adding 2 hrs to each flight over IST? From 2 to to 4 and 10 to 12
Worth adding 2 hrs to each flight over IST? From 2 to to 4 and 10 to 12For the LX J it's debatable, but for SQ R a380, no question in my mind.
are there any other other flights from TLV-SIN with one stop other then star alliance?
TLV-IST-SIN on TK and SQ with A321 and 777 (possibly also TK A320)
TLV-ZRH-SIN on LX and SQ with A330 and A380
TLV-FRA-SIN on LH and SQ with A321 and A380
if not then which of these are the best option?
are there any other other flights from TLV-SIN with one stop other then star alliance?
TLV-IST-SIN on TK and SQ with A321 and 777 (possibly also TK A320)
TLV-ZRH-SIN on LX and SQ with A330 and A380
TLV-FRA-SIN on LH and SQ with A321 and A380
if not then which of these are the best option?
Also TLV-MUC-SIN on A321 and 777Repost
Also TLV-MUC-SIN on A321 and 777Yup, mentioned above
Another option is TLV-MUC-SIN on LH a320/a321 and SQ 777.
Would SQ even let you backtrack like this?(Hopefully) booking with UA
(Hopefully) booking with UAsq r with united is possible?
sq r with united is possible?No but I never said anything about R, was hoping for J
are there any other other flights from TLV-SIN with one stop other then star alliance?if you can consider tlv-amm to be a "gelechter" then you can fly from amm either via doh or auh :)
TLV-IST-SIN on TK and SQ with A321 and 777 (possibly also TK A320)
TLV-ZRH-SIN on LX and SQ with A330 and A380
TLV-FRA-SIN on LH and SQ with A321 and A380
if not then which of these are the best option?
if you can consider tlv-amm to be a "gelechter" then you can fly from amm either via doh or auh :)A what?
a joke. its only 25 minutes...Together with a stopover and changing planes and finding connecting flights... It doesn't look I'll have am option but either way I couldn't find availability via DOH
Together with a stopover and changing planes and finding connecting flights... It doesn't look I'll have am option but either way I couldn't find availability via DOHStopping and changing planes in AMM is extremely simple.
Stopping and changing planes in AMM is extremely simple.told ya...
told ya...Yup! Thank you!
are there any other other flights from TLV-SIN with one stop other then star alliance?
TLV-IST-SIN on TK and SQ with A321 and 777 (possibly also TK A320)
TLV-ZRH-SIN on LX and SQ with A330 and A380
TLV-FRA-SIN on LH and SQ with A321 and A380
if not then which of these are the best option?
Price-wise or luxury-wise?These are all the same price for me in miles. I'm looking for the shortest least hassle route but willing to travel a little longer for a nicer product
http://www.timesofisrael.com/low-cost-airline-ryanair-to-begin-israel-flights/http://www.timesofisrael.com/nonstop-flights-from-tel-aviv-to-tokyo-announced/
Exciting to see if they'll expand to TLV
No but I never said anything about R, was hoping for J
very realistic. download the hulyo app vitimtza nachasCool, thanks!
very realistic. download the hulyo app vitimtza nachasGreat app. Is there such a kind of thing for the us??
Finally some competition with LY to Asiathey start flying 3 times a week on april 28th, how can i redeem miles for them other then alaskan?
HU is to start flying the PEK-TLV route,
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4595641,00.html
Comes and goes. Anyway, its more like the best J class than a real F experience ;)my understanding is that it's an equipment and schedule change
Gotta fly via ICN for that...
Was just playing around with ITA, and an option popped up to go TLV-AMM-DOH-JFK. Is it usually difficult to get someone to ticket that route as an award?AA seems to have relaxed the published routing restrictions, so DOH and AUH may work.
AA seems to have relaxed the published routing restrictions, so DOH and AUH may work.Good to know, thanks. Trying to combine two OWs into an itinerary that will ticket like a RT. (TLV-JFK, SIN-TLV)
Was just playing around with ITA, and an option popped up to go TLV-AMM-DOH-JFK. Is it usually difficult to get someone to ticket that route as an award?Not difficult at all.
Good to know, thanks. Trying to combine two OWs into an itinerary that will ticket like a RT. (TLV-JFK, SIN-TLV)Why not just book as 2 OW's?
Why not just book as 2 OW's?Paid itinerary.
Paid itinerary.I'm not aware of paid itin't ever being an issue through those countries.
Anyone ever do a day trip ex-TLV?a bunch of times to Greece, Spain,and Italy
Anyone ever do a day trip ex-TLV? Where to? How was it? DO anyone?
a bunch of times to Greece, Spain,and ItalyJust for a day? Was it with a budget carrier or award ticket?
DXB ;)You did TLV-AMM-DXB-AMM-TLV in one day??
Just for a day? Was it with a budget carrier or award ticket?budget carrier
You did TLV-AMM-DXB-AMM-TLV in one day??No
NoOh, okay. I knew that then :)
Oh, okay. I knew that then :)I think he wants a DO in DXB!
I think he wants a DO in DXB!
I think he wants a DO in DXB!Ah, okay. I guess I should expect things to be confusing when asking so many questions at once
Anyone ever do a day trip ex-TLV? Where to? How was it? DO anyone?
I just did an A3 mileage run yesterday. But if you take out my second and third segments (and only keep my first and last segments), you have a perfect day trip to Athens - leave TLV at 6:00 and arrive in ATH at 8:10 AM; leave ATH at 10:30 PM and arrive in TLV at 12:30 AM. Schedule only works out certain days of the week.I've been looking at that. On Thursdays in the February only $156 IIRC. Thanks!
It's so hard to route TLV-PVG (or anywhere far east) using AA... The layovers in AMM and DXB are ridiculous. Can't wait for CX to start flying TLV-HKG. Hopefully there will be availability. /endrantwhats ridiculous? the times or the actual stopover in those places?
whats ridiculous? the times or the actual stopover in those places?
The times. AMM I have no desire to visit, but I wouldn't mind a day in DXB if I wasn't trying to make such a short trip to PVG. Each way ends up taking like 3 whole days.whats wrong with the TLV-AMM AM flight? works for most connecting options
whats wrong with the TLV-AMM AM flight? works for most connecting options
Does RJ have any flights to DXB before the 4:30pm?Why are you routing through DXB? That will require an additional stop in HKG. You are better off routing AUH-PVG.
E: Seems like the 4:30 is the shortest connection.
Why are you routing through DXB? That will require an additional stop in HKG. You are better off routing AUH-PVG.
Does RJ have any flights to DXB before the 4:30pm?not that would work without an overnight. but you can take TLV-AMM-AUH-PVG with around 3 hrs by each stopover
Seems like CX/KA have better availability, but I would take that if I could find it.
Not sure what I was thinking that I dismissed AUH-PVG so fast. Got so set on taking CX out of DXB, and I didn't look back.
Looks like I should be able to make something work. ;D
CX J a330 is nicer than EY J a330, but the extra stop and bad timing can be a huge factor.
There will be more opportunities for CX J. Like I said, I'm really looking forward to the TLV-HKG route, that will make visiting Hong Kong very nice, assuming they will have availability.Yeah but the deval ain't fun
Yeah but the deval ain't fun
Monarch restarting LTN-TLV 3 flights a week after a 10 year absencewhy do they think that starting with introductory pricing that's higher then the competitor is a good idea?
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4730754,00.html
Anyone have experience with TLV-AMM route? If I book two J awards now and that's all the available space, is there a chance of two more J showing up, or is that flight usually limited to a specific capacity?
maybe i'm spaced but anyone else notice that BA rostered in a 4 cabin 772 to TLV with 4 cabins of service?
its the only way to travel to TLV in F other than on KE and LY
Old news.....
so where's the post on DDF? i searched and didn't find anything
so where's the post on DDF? i searched and didn't find anything
You posted it yourself.I only remembered seeing the 3 cabin 787. my post there was about more space in J.
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=46360.msg1294028#msg1294028
maybe i'm spaced but anyone else notice that BA rostered in a 4 cabin 772 to TLV with 4 cabins of service?you left out LX with status
its the only way to travel to TLV in F other than on KE and LY
you left out LX with status
LX F ex-TLV isn't real F, plus you don't need status to book it.They fly an A340 ZRH-TLV sometimes, idk the layout, can we make a wiki with the EX-EU J products to TLV?
They fly an A340 ZRH-TLV sometimes, idk the layout,
can we make a wiki with the EX-EU J products to TLV?
can we make a wiki with the EX-EU J products to TLV?http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=48340
I'm thinking about making a speculative booking using AA miles before the devaluation to either Australia or New Zealand. What are the most enjoyable ways to get there from TLV in J and F? Will CX starting TLV-HKG blow other options out of the water?
TLV-AMM-AUH-SYD on EY apartmentAnd I can book that for 60k AA?
And I can book that for 60k AA?
YesWhoa, cool stuff. I'd be looking for three seats, and that seems a bit dicey. From what I understood, they open up 2 seats and then possibly more as you get closer. It does look like an unforgettable way to get somewhere though.
Whoa, cool stuff. I'd be looking for three seats, and that seems a bit dicey. From what I understood, they open up 2 seats and then possibly more as you get closer. It does look like an unforgettable way to get somewhere though.So book J. Not too hard to find 3
how do you search for availability ? the tlv-amm-auh can be done on AA website and the syd leg on ek website and the syd leg is added on the phone ?Yes, you can search separately and call to piece all together.
how do you search for availability ? the tlv-amm-auh can be done on AA website and the syd leg on ek website and the syd leg is added on the phone ?
Yes, you can search separately and call to piece all together.
(Also I think you mean EY not EK)
Monarch starting Manchester - Tel Aviv route 3 times a week on April 19ththey're better than easy jet IME
prices don't look too good though
they're better than easy jet IMEoverall experience or price?
Anyone ever do a day trip ex-TLV? Where to? How was it? DO anyone?I'm looking more into doing this. There's a few days in January/February that Aegean has relatively cheap flights. Anyone interested in going with me on Thursday February 4th? $200 RT, leave at 6 AM get back a bit after midnight (on ground for 12:20)?
Overall experience. Actually easy jet isn't so bad. Ryanair is where the real fun isI found Easyjet to be from the best of the LCCs
RJ just started a new route to Jakarta on the 787
Not the best option but if looking to minimize flight time its a good option. Don't see it yet available but its always good to have other OW options to that side of the world
RJ just started a new route to Jakarta on the 787is it direct? seems to say with a "technical stop"
Not the best option but if looking to minimize flight time its a good option. Don't see it yet available but its always good to have other OW options to that side of the world
is it direct? seems to say with a "technical stop"a little research seems to say that it has a 1 hour stop in KUL. First leg is a 787 second leg is A330
Pretty solid option for 30k in lie flat J.it does not seem to be bookable yet though
Are there specific planes on TK that have real J flying out of TLV, to either IST, or SAW ?
Are there specific planes on TK that have real J flying out of TLV, to either IST, or SAW ?I had it on 1 of 3 opportunities.
YesWhich ones ?
I had it on 1 of 3 opportunities.Is there anyway to know beforehand ?
I had it on 1 of 3 opportunities.Knew in advance which one it would be?
Which ones ? Is there anyway to know beforehand ?
A330-300Their flying the a321, and the 737 in the day I need.
Their flying the a321, and the 737 in the day I need.
SN, LO, and OS are all fake J, correct ?
CorrectNo LX availability at all.
No LX a330/a340 available?
Are there specific planes on TK that have real J flying out of TLV, to either IST, or SAW ?TLV-IST is such a short flight, how much of a difference does it make? the J seat on their A321 is very decent, much better than the European airlines
TLV-IST is such a short flight, how much of a difference does it make? the J seat on their A321 is very decent, much better than the European airlines
How so?from seat guru it seems like it does recline more than economy
How so?The 737 I was on business was 2-2 configuration, economy is 3-3.
Israir to start a new route to Sri Lanka in August
I'm looking more into doing this. There's a few days in January/February that Aegean has relatively cheap flights. Anyone interested in going with me on Thursday February 4th? $200 RT, leave at 6 AM get back a bit after midnight (on ground for 12:20)?BUMP. Anyone? (I think price is now about $230)
BUMP. Anyone? (I think price is now about $230)What's the point? Unless you need a visa renewal.
What's the point? Unless you need a visa renewal.To see (parts of) Athens
To see (parts of) Athens1) it's cold
1) it's coldSo... you're not coming?
2) you'd be rushing, best to do it somewhat properly
3) $230 isn't chump change, and w/ the LY mileage sale, the price would be even lower
So... you're not coming?If I'd be doing a trip without my wife it would include at least 15 hrs in F...![]()
I don't feel like I have the time to do it properly for a few more years, and wouldn't mind going again. I can do different things now by myself than I can do with a wife and kids.
Forgot about the LY sale extension, I'll look into those dates too, thanks for the reminder.
Could be old story -
I saw that LY is outsourcing some of its JFK and BOS routes to Spanish charter Privilege Style's 777.
Anybody has experience of these planes? Couldn't get any real color online. Are these planes beter/ even worst than LY?
Israir to start a new route to Sri Lanka in August
That's interesting and could provide a good jumping off point to MLE or Asia since except for Turkish, a lot of other airlines have hubs thru Arab countries that don't fly from TLV.RJ
BOS is using the 767 I believe. Shell seats are definitely a small upgrade
You checked ovda or just tlv?They don't have any fights out of TLV. Their calendar to/from Israel only extends through March while all other destinations are a year
They don't have any fights out of TLV. Their calendar to/from Israel only extends through March while all other destinations are a year
I remember reading that it's a seasonal (winter) route only.
so are they flying after March or not?
I remember reading that it's a seasonal (winter) route only.
TUS Airways starting flights from LCA to Tel Aviv and Haifa on February 14thWhat aircraft will they be using? Last I checked they only had one Saab
What aircraft will they be using? Last I checked they only had one Saabyes, its the Saab 340B turboprop
TUS Airways starting flights from LCA to Tel Aviv and Haifa on February 14th
No
Is there any other international flights coming in to Haifa ?
Any suggestions on a fun 1-3 day trip ex TLV relatively easy on points (including hotel)?
DXB/AUH
Thanks. Already will be headed to AUH soon enough.
Possibilities could be anything- ski area, rainy city, just want to go somewhere next weekish. Though about CDG but didn't see any obvious flight options.
Go to the Alps and go skiing for 2-3 days.
Sounds like I could be nice, but maybe super expensive?4 million Barclays arrival points should get you a night at the (sub-par) Metropol Arosa but you'll have to pay for breakfast and everything else.
Zrh? Flying on Star alliance I'm guessing and any good places to stay on points?
4 million Barclays arrival points should get you a night at the (sub-par) Metropol Arosa but you'll have to pay for breakfast and everything else.
Sounds like I could be nice, but maybe super expensive?Park Hyatt Zurich, great value for free night cert. My room they gave me when I stayed was over $2000
Zrh? Flying on Star alliance I'm guessing and any good places to stay on points?
Any suggestions on a fun 1-3 day trip ex TLV relatively easy on points (including hotel)?What do you mean "fun"?
Sounds like I could be nice, but maybe super expensive?
Zrh? Flying on Star alliance I'm guessing and any good places to stay on points?
Park Hyatt Zurich, great value for free night cert. My room they gave me when I stayed was over $2000
Park Hyatt Zurich, great value for free night cert. My room they gave me when I stayed was over $2000
50k SQ for LX J RT.+YQ, no?
.
+YQ, no?
Yes, ~$300 RTTerrible value for this trip. May as well fly Y for a couple hours and spend less then that with zero miles
Nice value there! Were you Diamond? Score an upgrade as well?Was not diamond on my account I booked it from, got a small upgrade and base room was 800 euro
Yeah I'd rather not pay YQ or just pay for Y. Ideally I'd be fine flying Y on such a short trip if the taxes are low enough. 2-3 hour train ride sounds like t would kill PHZ. I'll check Sheraton in Davos.BUD sounds perfect for you.
I'm fine either seeing or doing. Seeing is easier as were plus 2 toddlers, but doing isn't out of the question...
BUD sounds perfect for you.
Short flight, one of the cheapest places to fly to, luxury hotels are not expensive (check out the boscolo there), from the cheapest destinations in europe, beautiful city, enough but not too much to see in 1-3 days, kosher food...
As in no kosher food pretty much. Much rather do Vienna for 2-3 days. Much to see. Many hotels. A lot of Kosher food.There is more then one kosher restaurant, its for 1-3 days he doesn't need a 13th ave
There is more then one kosher restaurant, its for 1-3 days he doesn't need a 13th ave
No need for a 13th ave but at least restaurants aren't far in addition to having a lot to do there. Budapest is nice but I am always done with all the good stuff in any given day and then have to shlep across town to go grab a bite.I seems to recall at least 3 but places are always opening and closing so dunno about nowadays. Anytime you go anywhere in the world that's not the tristate area and has limited eateries you need to work out your day smartly with food, if he wants to not have a rushed day you hang out locally until lunch and then go out for the rest of the day and be back for supper
Also - I think there are two places. Are you aware of any others?
50k SQ for LX J RT.45k Israeli LH
There's a Sheraton in Davos.
45k Israeli LH
Forgot about that one! Thanks.LH gives more availability to their members i think, so that can help in some cases
Also 21k A3 OW
LH gives more availability to their members i think, so that can help in some cases
Forgot about that one! Thanks.
ANA might be interested in flights.
http://www.port2port.co.il/article/%D7%94%D7%95%D7%91%D7%9C%D7%94-%D7%90%D7%95%D7%95%D7%99%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%AA/%D7%97%D7%91%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%AA%D7%A2%D7%95%D7%A4%D7%94/%D7%90%D7%A0%D7%94-%D7%9E%D7%92%D7%9C%D7%94-%D7%A2%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%99%D7%9F-%D7%A8%D7%91-%D7%91%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%A7-%D7%94%D7%99%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%90%D7%9C%D7%99/
ANA might be interested in flights.They have been mentioning direct flights for awhile already but it doesn't look like it will happen anytime in the foreseeable future
http://www.port2port.co.il/article/%D7%94%D7%95%D7%91%D7%9C%D7%94-%D7%90%D7%95%D7%95%D7%99%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%AA/%D7%97%D7%91%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%AA%D7%A2%D7%95%D7%A4%D7%94/%D7%90%D7%A0%D7%94-%D7%9E%D7%92%D7%9C%D7%94-%D7%A2%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%99%D7%9F-%D7%A8%D7%91-%D7%91%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%A7-%D7%94%D7%99%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%90%D7%9C%D7%99/
http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4763651,00.htmlalaska (https://www.alaskaair.com/content/mileage-plan/partners/hainan.aspx) early 2016
does Hainan partner with anyone?
alaska (https://www.alaskaair.com/content/mileage-plan/partners/hainan.aspx) early 2016
You can use AS even though it doesn't touch USA?Depends which region, often it'll have to be booked as a RT
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-royal-jordanian-to-launch-tel-aviv-china-flights-1001103371This TLV-AMM keeps becoming more and more of a bottle neck.
via AMM
So they now have BKK, HKG, KUL and this
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-royal-jordanian-to-launch-tel-aviv-china-flights-1001103371
via AMM
So they now have BKK, HKG, KUL and this
Nice, but why the need for the stop in BKK?Probably to alternate the days btw continuing onto HKG via BKK
What's with the CX flight?Haven't heard anything since last year, and I don't think they're marketing flights yet.
alaska (https://www.alaskaair.com/content/mileage-plan/partners/hainan.aspx) early 2016award bookings available from march 30
Just noticed that CMB isn't going up in the devaluation since its moving from Asia to ME/IS.It's going down.
It's going down.Its staying the same in J.
I acctualy thought that was your cheshbon, you don't have to deal with all this booking early tircha.
Its staying the same in J.Cool, where did you see that?
Just realized today.
Cool, where did you see that?You know where I saw it but either way Here. (http://www.milevalue.com/these-five-countries-are-changing-regions-on-american-airlines-devaaluation-day/)
You know where I saw it but either way Here. (http://www.milevalue.com/these-five-countries-are-changing-regions-on-american-airlines-devaaluation-day/)
You know where I saw it but either way Here. (http://www.milevalue.com/these-five-countries-are-changing-regions-on-american-airlines-devaaluation-day/)Need to show MV some lovin...
Can someone please explain this to me?thats precisely it, they aren't much of an airline but they give a reservation system to dozens of other (mainly Low cost carriers) airlines, see https://www.hahnair.com/en/public/about-hahn-air
Hahn Air is barely an airline and only has flights from Germany and Armavia has been out of service for 3 years, and im pretty sure none of those operate that aircraft.
thats precisely it, they aren't much of an airline but they give a reservation system to dozens of other (mainly Low cost carriers) airlines, see https://www.hahnair.com/en/public/about-hahn-airI know what they do but that still doesn't explain it.
As for Armavia, I'm not sure
I know what they do but that still doesn't explain it.Isn't that supposed to fly to Haifa?
Either way I believe I figured it out. It's likely TUS Airways
Isn't that supposed to fly to Haifa?I believe both.
Hi,If direct flight, then BA is good.
What is the cheapest TLV-Europe route for award flights? Is it still Avios?
Hi,
What is the cheapest TLV-Europe route for award flights? Is it still Avios?
How does you search BA Awards for flights to directly to Europe?That's probably all what's available on the dates that you searched then. If you want a direct flight to Europe using avios other than BA to London, all of the options that I can think of offhand are: AB to TXL or DUS, Niki to VIE, Iberia to MAD, and Finnair to HEL.
Anytime I try to search from TLV - a different city in Europe it always take me through LHR.
How does you search BA Awards for flights to directly to Europe?it'll show you both options
Anytime I try to search from TLV - a different city in Europe it always take me through LHR.
That's probably all what's available on the dates that you searched then. If you want a direct flight to Europe using avios other than BA to London, all of the options that I can think of offhand are: AB to TXL or DUS, Niki to VIE, Iberia to MAD, and Finnair to HEL.They dropped that route CMIIW
That's probably all what's available on the dates that you searched then. If you want a direct flight to Europe using avios other than BA to London, all of the options that I can think of offhand are: AB to TXL or DUS, Niki to VIE, Iberia to MAD, and Finnair to HEL.Don't forget AB to MUC
They dropped that route CMIIWYa it looks like they did. Thanks, I didn't know.
Don't forget AB to MUCI don't think they fly that route, CMIIW.
What are my best options for TLV - SYD/MEL? AA doesn't seem to have any seats. *A? TIASearch each segment on it's own
usuallyalways.
What are my best options for TLV - SYD/MEL? AA doesn't seem to have any seats. *A? TIA60k United in business or 35k economy, routing via IST or anywhere in Europe.
Search each segment on it's ownwhat routing?
60k United in business or 35k economy, routing via IST or anywhere in Europe.thanks I'll check.
what routing?
TLV-AMM, AMM-XXX, XXX-SYD. Price= 45,000 AA miles-1
-1He's still on the old award chart..
Y - 42.5k
J - 80k
F - 100k
He's still on the old award chart..You're right.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4858058,00.htmlNever gonna happen.
Never gonna happen.I'm still banking on Cathay and/or China Airlines
I'm still banking on Cathay and/or China Airlines
They currently fly.
Wasn't there something about Hainan at one point also?
They currently fly.
A Israeli Ambassador to the far east told me that the QF route is likely happening and that he/she has been trying for a direct SQ flight for yearsSounds like United
A Israeli Ambassador to the far east told me that the QF route is likely happening and that he/she has been trying for a direct SQ flight for yearsSQ just put in a request for slots at TLV
Here's another article on the new long awaited CX HKG-TLV route.Now it has a date already...
http://pointmetotheplane.boardingarea.com/2016/10/26/cathay-pacific-tel-aviv-hong-kong/
Now it has a date already......and tickets are for sale
Elal will get Hammered by the new competitionOr...
Elal will get Hammered by the new competitionGood thing they're getting new 787s next year, I wonder what their J/F product will be
Good thing they're getting new 787s next year, I wonder what their J/F product will beI think we all know the answer to that question
Air India's chairman says working an a new route to TLV
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-air-india-to-launch-tel-aviv-flights-1001157652 (http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-air-india-to-launch-tel-aviv-flights-1001157652)
Highendhobo recently mentioned a NYC- TLV route that he discovered.Air Serbia.
It was on a airline that isn't spoken about alot.
Can't seem to find the post. Anybody know where they might be.
Air Serbia.Thanks. That's what I was looking for.
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=67958.0
RYANAIR LAUNCHES LOW FARES IN TEL AVIV
23 Dec 2016
DAILY FLIGHTS TO PAPHOS BEGIN IN MARCH
Ryanair, Europe’s favourite airline, today (23 Dec) announced its first Tel Aviv flights, with a new daily service to Paphos (Cyprus) starting next March*, which will deliver 100,000 customers p.a. at Ben Gurion Airport, Ryanair’s 2nd Israeli destination.
From March, Ryanair’s Tel Aviv schedule will deliver:
1 new route to Paphos (daily)
7 weekly flights
100,000 customers p.a.
Ryanair celebrated its new Tel Aviv flights by releasing seats to Paphos for sale at prices starting from just €28.99 for travel in April and May, which are available for booking until midnight Monday (26 Dec).
Ryanair’s Chief Commercial Officer, David O’Brien said:
“Ryanair is pleased to announce that low fares have arrived in Tel Aviv, our 2nd Israeli airport, with a new daily route to Paphos commencing on 28th March*, which will help deliver 100,000 annual customers at Ben Gurion Airport. Our Paphos route will be ideal for both families and leisure customers.
Ryanair customers can look forward to even lower fares when they make advance bookings for summer 2017, so there’s never been a better time to book a low fare flight on Ryanair and we urge all customers who wish to book their summer 2017 holidays to do so now on the Ryanair.com website.
To celebrate our new Tel Aviv route, we are releasing seats to Paphos for sale from just €28.99 for travel in April and May, which are available for booking until midnight Monday (26 Dec). Since these amazing low prices will be snapped up quickly, customers should log onto www.ryanair.com and avoid missing out.”
http://corporate.ryanair.com/news/news/161223-ryanair-launches-low-fares-in-tel-aviv/?market=enso cool wish I could take advantage of this.
so cool wish I could take advantage of this.Why? One of the least exciting places known to man.
Why? One of the least exciting places known to man.
I flew J with them. I'll do a. TR and settle it.
To do a TR on RyanAir
I flew J with them. I'll do a. TR and settle it.
And how bad was it ?Somewhere between the NYC subway and KE F.
I'll do a. TRYea right.
I flew J with them. I'll do a. TR and settle it.They dont have J
They dont have JThat's up for debate, but you can purchase a business class fare as I did.
That's up for debate, but you can purchase a business class fare as I did.
The "business" seats are simply economy seats in the front with more leg room and priority boarding, right?Pretty much.
The "business" seats are simply economy seats in the front with more leg room and priority boarding, right?Sounds like short leg domestic J on most American and European flights.
I hate the term European Business classWhat would you rather?
What would you rather?Fake J
What would you rather?Pay for coach seat and get a empty seat
Pay for coach seat and get a empty seatA little too long worded don't you think?![]()
Next to me
As of May 2017, Alitalia will introduce a new daily, year round, service on A320, enhancing the very popular Athens - Tel Aviv connection. In fact, Tel Aviv is developing strongly surpassing already the total of 232,000 pax (+29% JAN-NOV’16) while at the same time the operating airlines enjoy high load factors reaching an overall average of 81%.So long story short AZ will start flying ATH-TLV? Or are they just reducing connection time?
So long story short AZ will start flying ATH-TLV?based on this (http://www.ilgiornale.it/news/economia/alitalia-rimanda-batosta-prevista-nuovo-piano-1347087.html) it seems like its going to be a 5th freedom flight
Yes AZ 823 is already bookable.Not such great news for NYC-TLV passengers, as it eliminates some connections. I wish we could see some MXP-TLV flights that could connect to flights to/from NYC.
Fifth freedom between ATH and TLV
The direct flights from FCO to TLV on AZ are dropping from 5 times a day to 3
Hows LY TLV-FCO?It's LY, which is on some people's Do Not Fly list.
can i get a bassinet for baby?
It's LY, which is on some people's Do Not Fly list.AZ better for that route?
Hows LY TLV-FCO?Do you need to have your nic updated? ;)
can i get a bassinet for baby?
AZ better for that route?AZ does not give a bassinet
AZ does not give a bassinetOn any route or specifically that one?
On any route or specifically that one?This one, and I guess on all short haul routes. Long haul I did get
Why don't you consider TK J from Boston, they sometimes have a real J product ist-tlvThanks. I did, but forgot to mention it.
I know it's been discussed ad nauseum, but can I just ask again for advice (or point me to the thread) about flying J between NYC and TLV?I personally prefer the AC or UA afternoon flight TO TLV, as those arrive in the AM.
I have someone else paying a revenue ticket for me, but I would like to try to save them some money if possible.
Seems that consensus is that the DL JFK-TLV and TLV-JFK flights are the best, because of the hard product and because they are night flights.
I infer that the UA flights EWR-TLV and TLV-EWR are good but not quite as good as DL, with the night UA flights being better (for sleeping) than the day flights.
And everyone thinks that the LY flights are several notches below DL and UA. Is that true universally, even for the LY 747 flights JFK-TLV and TLV-JFK?
(I'm in Boston, but even the nonstop BOS-TLV flights, both overnight, would be suboptimal because the J is angle-flat.)
Lastly, there's AC YYZ-TLV which is nice because it's on the 787, but those are daytime flights.
Opinions (or direction to other threads) welcome. Thanks!
I personally prefer the AC or UA afternoon flight TO TLV, as those arrive in the AM.
DL and UA fares ex BOS are usually lower than ex NYC.
If price wouldn't be a concern I would fly outbound on UA or AC and return on DL.
-->>Do you sleep flying to TLV? Isn't it too early to fall asleep, and then you arrive in TLV when your body thinks it's middle of the night?Which is why I say that on the outbound UA afternoon or AC are best. You go to sleep a few hours into the flight (never travel without Ambien) and get there in the morning for a full day. Alternatively take a connection for the outbound, a day will be killed no matter what you do, so the connection isn't that bad.
The DL and UA nighttime return flights seem to be the ones that jack up the prices. I'm not paying but hate to stick it to the people who are.That is indeed the case. The night flight out of TLV commands a premium (for a legitimate reason). I usually use momondo.com and look at individual flights rather than complete tickets in order to find what I want.
Which is why I say that on the outbound UA afternoon or AC are best. You go to sleep a few hours into the flight (never travel without Ambien) and get there in the morning for a full day.
+1000
That is indeed the case. The night flight out of TLV commands a premium (for a legitimate reason). I usually use momondo.com and look at individual flights rather than complete tickets in order to find what I want.
Ok, I've never gotten the hang of momondo but I'll go back to it! Thanks for the advice.
Love to hear what you end up with and the final cost also ;)Thanks. Below is what I told my host. I'm waiting for his reply.
Thanks. Below is what I told my host. I'm waiting for his reply.Option 1 is basically 2 one way tickets. Probably cost prohibitive. Might be more palatable if you'd do AC/UA or UA both ways.
1. First choice is Outbound AC and Return on DL nocturnally.
2. Second choice is AC both directions.
3. Third choice is El Al (they seem to find that more palatable) but only on LY8 JFK-TLV and then returning LY15 TLV-BOS (as I don't care so much if I'm coherent after I return home for Shabbos :)).
I'll let you know how it shakes out....
Option 1 is basically 2 one way tickets. Probably cost prohibitive. Might be more palatable if you'd do AC/UA or UA both ways.Do you think UA both ways would be better (for me) than AC both ways? I guess if I got the nocturnal UA ex-TLV it would be. How much better are the AC hard and soft product compared with UA?
Do you think UA both ways would be better (for me) than AC both ways? I guess if I got the nocturnal UA ex-TLV it would be. How much better are the AC hard and soft product compared with UA?Traveling by yourself?
Traveling by yourself?Unfortunately yes.
Looking for some guidance here.. When i search for RT flights from NYC-TLV for sukkot 2017, BA flights with a stop in LHR cost around $1,400. If i manufacture my own connection by booking NYC-LHR and LHR-TLV RTs separately, the cost is like $400 less. Am i missing something here? Any reason not to do this?if your flight gets delayed the airline isnt responsible for the 2nd leg
if your flight gets delayed the airline isnt responsible for the 2nd leg
Unfortunately yes.I'd def go AC in that case.
I'd def go AC in that case.Very Helpful. Thanks. Is that because of the hard product? The seating is great on AC but so private that couples can't talk?
Very Helpful. Thanks. Is that because of the hard product? The seating is great on AC but so private that couples can't talk?UA is good for couples, but flying solo I'd go with the extra privacy.
UA is good for couples, but flying solo I'd go with the extra privacy.Thanks again.
Also, fewer ATC delays flying via YYZ than NYC.
Though I do like flying via EWR for New Kosher Special :)
But it's tough to spend $40 solo there.
I'd def go AC in that case.I fly nowhere near the amount of flying that Dan does, but I value the ability to have a nocturnal flight over some added privacy on AC. If you get the Window seat, or you book a seat in the middle section, you should be able to sleep through uninterrupted.
I fly nowhere near the amount of flying that Dan does, but I value the ability to have a nocturnal flight over some added privacy on AC. If you get the Window seat, or you book a seat in the middle section, you should be able to sleep through uninterrupted.Thanks.
And though I haven't done many connection via either EWR or YYZ, I personally dislike YYZ for the walking distances.
Just my unprofessional 2 cents point of view and opinion.
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-air-canada-to-launch-tel-aviv-montreal-route-1001176945
wizzair is starting LTN - TLV 4 times weekly, from JuneThat's big news!
That's big news!And with frequest sales and BOGO
I find Wizz to be the cheapest of the low-cost carriers besides for maybe Rayanair
I don't know... it says roundtrips start at $170, which doesn't include food, luggage, or a seat that reclines.Other flights on Wizz sell for a lot less then their "starting prices".
I've seen El Al flights via their new auctions for $360 or so -- which includes luggage, a meal, a seat that reclines, and more legroom. And as a Fly Card Premium holder, I could also get a free upgrade to Economy Plus or a preferred/exit seat with even more legroom.
Don't know what the situation is with British, but I'd imagine that prices are similar to El Al.
Other flights on Wizz sell for a lot less then their "starting prices".
Suitcase prices on other routes are 12-35$ per way which is very reasonable.
Try finding flights on Elal for less than 500$ anytime outside Dec-Mar.
I don't think Elal gives more legroom.
All said and told, I rather save $150-300 per ticket, fly on a brand new plane instead of a 20 year old plane and if that means picking up a Schwarma on the way to the airport, so be it!
El Al gives 32" of room I believe (for regular economy). Doesn't Wizz provide 29-30"?As always, it comes down to a question of what a potentially lesser comfort is worth, and the answer for this is different for each person.
As always, it comes down to a question of what a potentially lesser comfort is worth, and the answer for this is different for each person.100% correct! There is a market for different styles and preferences.
True indeed. Personally, the fact that I only fly about twice a year drives my desire to maximize comfort and make the most of the trip. I don't mind paying more (within reason) for added comfort and benefits, as is my situation with El Al and UP due to being eligible for free Y+/exit seats from the Fly Card Premium.It very often is. I have flown Wizz 8-12 in the last 2 years and I think the overall experience is better than Elal. Better flight times, Newer planes, friendlier crew, great on-time performance, all for a much lower price even after you pay for a suitcase, extra leg room and a Hello Teiman Schwarma.
If the total cost of flight+luggage+seat with extra legroom+suitable departure time/date was significantly less on a low cost I would definitely consider it.
It very often is. I have flown Wizz 8-12 in the last 2 years and I think the overall experience is better than Elal. Better flight times, Newer planes, friendlier crew, great on-time performance, all for a much lower price even after you pay for a suitcase, extra leg room and a Hello Teiman Schwarma.I've never flown Wizz (or for that matter any other "low cost" airline, and while I have flown Spirit, I refuse to refer to them as an airline), but I don't think it should be too difficult to provide a better experience than ELAL. There's a reason I refuse to fly with them.
I've never flown Wizz (or for that matter any other "low cost" airline, and while I have flown Spirit, I refuse to refer to them as an airline), but I don't think it should be too difficult to provide a better experience than ELAL. There's a reason I refuse to fly with them.
I know I'm definitely the exception here, but i've literally had nothing but positive experiences with El Al. I know it's probably only a matter of time until the statistics catch up with me. But really, I've never had a late or cancelled flight (even my trip to Vienna a few days ago in the midst the labor dispute was unaffected). Service has always been personal and positive. When flying with my children, the staff always had a little "play time" with them in the rear galley. My business class experience was extremely positive, with very personal and dedicated service including lots of "rosh gadol" and preemptive action.I know of others like you.
In fact, the only airlines on which I've ever experienced delays and even cancelled flights have been US-based airlines.
Again, I'm not living in la-la land and realize that my number will probably come up at some point. But until then, El Al hasn't given me a reason to not fly!
I've been blessed to fly both biz class on LY and other airlines, along with LY's longest flight (LAX) in economy, and various LCCs.I've had excellent experience with an infant (just under 2) in J on both DL and SU.
I found LY's soft product to be acceptable in relation to other airlines, but their entertainment system in J was pathetic.
And as a traveler with kids, I like the fact that the flights are half children, as it lowers my worries going into it. Sitting in TK/CX/UA J with children caused me worries b/f the flight, while LY's J cabin had a bunch of kids in it.
I've been blessed to fly both biz class on LY and other airlines, along with LY's longest flight (LAX) in economy, and various LCCs.
I found LY's soft product to be acceptable in relation to other airlines, but their entertainment system in J was pathetic.
And as a traveler with kids, I like the fact that the flights are half children, as it lowers my worries going into it. Sitting in TK/CX/UA J with children caused me worries b/f the flight, while LY's J cabin had a bunch of kids in it.
I know of others like you.
It might be attributable to where you live, and your expectations from what should be a service industry.
or discouraging you from coming back.... :P
Maybe the US is just angry with me for leaving ::)
I know of others like you.Like me. I have had nothing but positive experiences. I have had plenty of subpar experiences on other carriers.While people will let a bad experience on DL pass, they wont let one on LY go by without a screaming fight. its almost like people live with the mentality that we need to ensure that LY provides only the worst.
Air Europa is upgrading TLV to a 787 starting in July.No good connection to flights to/from NYC (didn't check other US gateways).
once they finish adding 787s to NYC you have a new option to TLV in fully lie flat that has good availability (albeit with YQ)
http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4921866,00.html
You can spend a day in spain as part of your flight and then it is a good optionIf that is what you want.
new flights from TLV to Poland, starting at less than $150 for round trip, without bags.
LOT will introduce seasonal flights between Tel Aviv-Ben Gurion and Gdańsk, Wrocław, Poznań and Lublin. All flights expected to be on the 737-800s.
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The WAW-TLV/TLV-WAW service is to be extended to 13 flights per week
around noon from TLV - WAWIf only wouldn't be Fake J on that route, it would be a good option.
around 15:30 WAW - TLV
so much better connection now to / from JFK & YYZ
all the new destinations are around 21:00 from TLV & following early morning returns to TLV, so the aircraft is originating from TLV & return
around noon from TLV - WAWEff 6/18/17.
around 15:30 WAW - TLV
so much better connection now to / from JFK & YYZ
all the new destinations are around 21:00 from TLV & following early morning returns to TLV, so the aircraft is originating from TLV & return
around noon from TLV - WAW
around 15:30 WAW - TLV
so much better connection now to / from JFK & YYZ
all the new destinations are around 21:00 from TLV & following early morning returns to TLV, so the aircraft is originating from TLV & return
Eff 6/18/17.
AN15AUGNYCTLV/ALO*28AUG
** AMADEUS AVAILABILITY - AN ** TLV TEL AVIV YAFO.IL 174 TU 15AUG 0000
1 LO 016 C9 D9 Z8 P8 A8 R7 J2 /EWR B WAW 1015P 1240P+1E0/788
Y9 B9 M9 E9 H9 K9 Q9 G9 T9 S9 V9 W9 L5 U2
LO 155 C9 D9 Z8 P8 A8 R7 J2 /WAW TLV 3 340P+1 830P+1E0/734 15:15
Y9 B9 M9 E9 H9 K9 Q9 G9 T9 S9 V9 W9 L5 U2
2 LO 027 C9 D9 Z8 P8 A8 R6 J2 /JFK 7 WAW 1000P 1230P+1E0/788
Y9 B9 M9 E9 H9 K9 Q9 G9 T9 S9 V9 W9 L5
LO 155 C9 D9 Z8 P8 A8 R6 J2 /WAW TLV 3 340P+1 830P+1E0/734 15:30
Y9 B9 M9 E9 H9 K9 Q9 G9 T9 S9 V9 W9 L5
** AMADEUS AVAILABILITY - AN ** NYC NEW YORK.USNY 187 MO 28AUG 0000
11 LO 156 C9 D9 Z7 P9 A9 R7 J2 /TLV 3 WAW 1145A 245P E0/738
Y9 B9 M9 E9 H9 K9 Q9 G9 T4 S2 V2 W2 L2
LO 026 C9 D9 Z7 P9 A9 R7 J2 /WAW JFK 7 500P 815P E0/788 15:30
Y9 B9 M9 E9 H9 K9 Q9 G9 T4 S2 V2 W2 L2
LOT'S NEW CONNECTIONS BETWEEN POLAND AND SUNNY ISRAEL
LOT
Warsaw, 21 February 2017 – LOT launches 5 routes from Polish airports to Tel Aviv, Israel’s largest city. New connections from Lublin, Gdańsk, Poznań, Wrocław and additional flights from Warsaw will be offered as early as in June of this year, enabling passengers to comfortably reach one of the most popular holiday destinations in the Mediterranean.
Flights to Tel Aviv will depart from Lublin on Mondays and Thursdays, on Tuesdays and Fridays from Wrocław, every Sunday from Gdańsk and every Wednesday from Poznań. Furthermore, LOT will nearly double the number of connections between Warsaw and Tel Aviv, adding a new day-time rotation on Mondays, Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays and Sundays. Since July most flights will be operated by modern Boeing 737-800 NG aircraft that are scheduled to join LOT’s fleet in a few months’ time. The new connections are offered to meet Israel’s growing popularity among Polish tourists.
“Israel has always been attracting Poles, especially those seeking a unique cultural or religious experience. Its popularity among those looking for relaxation on the coast of the Mediterranean Sea is growing as well. Thanks to the new 737-family aircraft, we will be able to satisfy that increasing demand, offering connections to the very heart of Israel from as many as 5 cities throughout Poland. We are convinced that our proposal will be met with a wide interest of Polish tourists who have not been able to take advantage of so many alternatives so far” – says Adrian Kubicki, Director of LOT’s Corporate Communications.
Israel already ranks as one of the most popular tourist destinations in Poland, and its ratings are expected to continue to improve. Israel owes this position to great diversity, well-developed infrastructure, and weather that encourages sightseeing and relaxation all year round. Tel Aviv Ben Gurion airport is located right next to the country’s main attractions. It is situated in the direct vicinity of the teeming city of Tel Aviv, the historic marvels of Jerusalem, and serves as a gateway for those willing to travel to the Dead Sea, the Mediterranean Sea and the Red Sea.
New connections to Israel mark the return of LOT’s international flights served by Poland’s regional airports. So far, the Polish carrier was only offering a rotation between Kraków and Chicago. In its new strategy, LOT has been planning to take advantage of the potential offered by selected regional airports, and to meet the needs of passengers based on the availability of aircraft with the required range and the sufficient number of seats.
“This year, our fleet will be expanded by 4 Boeing 737-800 NG planes, as well as 2 brand new Boeing 737 MAX 8 aircraft that are capable of carrying over 180 passengers per flight. This will finally enable us to attempt to win the hearts of those travelers who have so far been forced to take advantage of charter flights, or connections offered by the so-called low-cost airlines. While on board of any LOT aircraft, passengers are offered the choice of 3 travel classes – business, premium economy and economy. A wide range of additional products and services is provided too. From now on, the same level of service will be available to passengers traveling from regional airports as well” – says Adrian Kubicki, noting that LOT will also continue to increase the number of connections between Israel and its Warsaw hub.
“We also have some good news for those traveling on business, or those living in different cities that offer no direct connection. Starting from June, we will be flying from Warsaw to Israel twice a day! Additional flights between Warsaw and Tel Aviv will allow us to shorten the connection time to an absolute minimum, thus providing our passengers with an even greater level of flexibility. This applies not only to flights to and from Europe, but North America and Asia as well” – adds Adrian Kubicki.
The airline’s timetable offers comfortable connections and a short overall travel time to passengers flying from Israel and using the Warsaw hub to reach New York , Newark, Chicago, Toronto or Los Angeles. The layover time on selected long-haul flights will be shortened to less than an hour.
Expansion of the network is one of the elements of LOT’s profitable growth strategy that the airline has been implementing since the beginning of 2016. Ever since the Polish carrier has launched flights to nearly 30 destinations, including two long-haul connections to Tokyo and Seoul. LOT is also set to considerably expand its presence on the US market this year. New routes connecting Warsaw with Newark and Los Angeles will be launched in April. Combined with the connection between Kraków and Chicago, LOT will be operating the total of 6 routes to North America in 2017. Thanks to the new flights to Tel Aviv, LOT will be serving as many as 19 weekly connections between Poland and Israel.
Tickets for the new flights are already available via all of LOT’s sales channels, including the lot.com website, LOT Travel and LOT Contact Center offices, as well as travel agents.
Its a shame LO isnt flying KRK-TLV
That way you could go ORD-KRK-TLV.
You can do it on LO and LY though
LO & LY sometimes price together. But I only saw LY TLV-KRK as WET LEASE ON BEHALF OF SUN DORThey usually do.
They usually do.I don't think Sun dor prices with LO,only LY.
I also only saw that, does it make a difference really?
I don't think Sun dor prices with LO,only LY.Its wet leased by LY so it prices with LO (still haven't seen any good prices though)
Its wet leased by LY so it prices with LO (still haven't seen any good prices though)Good to know. Thanks.
Hainan adds 5th weekly Tel Aviv - Beijing flightThat flight seems to be of no interest to most people on this forum.
Globes article (http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-hainan-airlines-adds-5th-weekly-flight-1001178874)
That flight seems to be of no interest to most people on this forum.
"The flight will take off from Beijing on Saturday at 1:55 AM and land at Ben Gurion Airport at 7:45 AM the same day. On the same day, a flight will take off from Ben Gurion Airport at 2:40 PM"
TrueIt can still reduce prices (and open availability) on flights that are relevant to most people on this forum.
It can still reduce prices (and open availability) on flights that are relevant to most people on this forum.So should we hope, fantasize, or encourage some kind of activity, in order to make those relevant issues happen?
So should we hope, fantasize, or encourage some kind of activity, in order to make those relevant issues happen?
Will other yidden be mechalel Shabbos for any of the possible benefits to occur for shomrei Shabbos?
IMHO the only reason to care about these flights is if it bothers us more that yidden are mechalel Shabbos, and we can do anything to counter that (by increasing our own shmiras Shabbos, or by trying to educate others and help increase shmiras Shabbos).
It may be very late wherever you are.
I do not assume that more Yidden will be mechalel just because there's a flight to PEK.
What would be my cheapest one way points option to nyc non stop?Find availability on one of the airlines that fly the route non-stop, and then figure it out.
Find availability on one of the airlines that fly the route non-stop, and then figure it out.there is saver availability I just thought there might be something cheaper than 42.5k ow
My guess is that your best bet might be ELAL Matmid, unless you have a way to get UA saver availability.
there is saver availability I just thought there might be something cheaper than 42.5k owIINM AC is 40k.
there is saver availability I just thought there might be something cheaper than 42.5k ow
SQ might be even cheaper at 37.5kAegean is 30k
Is the BA premium economy on this route the old or the new?ETA: it's the new
ETA: it's the newHaven't been on BA in ages. What's the difference between the old Premium economy and the new?
Haven't been on BA in ages. What's the difference between the old Premium economy and the new?Recline angle and screen size I think.
British Airways adds 5 weekly flights on TA-London routeLove the only comment to this article showing online currently, from a Sid Levine. We need someone else to chime in with a comment complaining about the outrageous YQ!
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-british-airways-adds-5-weekly-flights-on-ta-london-route-1001180045
Hainan Airlines are expected to launch direct flights from Shanghai to Tel Aviv in late 2017. Hainan, who just last year launched flights from Beijing to Tel Aviv three times a week, later increasing this frequency to four times a week, are a five-star airline. The launch of the new Shanghai to Tel Aviv route comes after growing demand for flights to Israel from Chinese tourists and growing bilateral business relations. The exact details are still to be confirmed, however, Hainan are expected to launch four flights a week from Shanghai to Tel Aviv, beginning on June 1, 2017.
Not sure if this is the right thread but I'm flying to TLV from EWR (May 10th) for lag beomer and just noticed that the outbound flight has the new Polaris product!
W6 is addingFTFY.SKCKSC & LUZ twice weekly
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=76857.0
New route VDA-ARN
ETA: its only on shabbos and begins 10/28
Intentionally?
My LOR just asked me if I had heard about the new Icelandair (or Icelandic , as in maybe WOW?) $500 fares US to TLV, but I can't find anything like that online. Anyone?
Yup Wow air is starting this summer!Right. But not yet bookable?
Right. But not yet bookable?
I checked right after Pesach and didn't see it available but haven't checked again.I checked today. TLV not listed as a destination.
I checked today. TLV not listed as a destination.
Lufthansa adds more flights to TLV (http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-lufthansa-adds-five-weekly-tel-aviv-flights-1001191848)would be nice if they would add widebody.
would be nice if they would add widebody.+1, they are really uncompetitive in the US-TLV J/F market.
+1, they are really uncompetitive in the US-TLV J/F market.True, but they are competitive EU-TLV unfortunately.
Looking to use my aa, united and/ or ba points to fly out of tlv to any tourist destination in Europe.
However do not want to fly through an arab/ muslim country or germany. Any suggestions without huge fuel surcharges such as through london.
Looking to use my aa, united and/ or ba points to fly out of tlv to any tourist destination in Europe.IB to Barcelona or Madrid, maybe.
However do not want to fly through an arab/ muslim country or germany. Any suggestions without huge fuel surcharges such as through london.
Looking to use my aa, united and/ or ba points to fly out of tlv to any tourist destination in Europe.Berlin, Dusseldorf, Vienna, Munich all cost 10k BA with no fuel charges (some of those cities may be seasonal routes). From Berlin you can fly to many cities in Europe for 4.5k BA miles.
However do not want to fly through an arab/ muslim country or germany. Any suggestions without huge fuel surcharges such as through london.
However do not want to fly through germany.
Berlin, Dusseldorf, Munich
Lufthansa will fly a350 on MUC-TLV for the last 3 weeks in August.
Lufthansa will fly a350 on MUC-TLV for the last 3 weeks in August.Link?
Link?
Lufthansa will fly a350 on MUC-TLV for the last 3 weeks in August.What' J like?
Check on EF, Starting august 12.Any idea why they would put it on the MUC route over FRA?
Any idea why they would put it on the MUC route over FRA?
Flatbed?
Seems they are growing their MUC hub, moving over some of the a380s from FRA to there.A380 MUC-NYC?!?
A380 MUC-NYC?!?
No. Beijing, Hong Kong and Los Angeles.Ah. Makes more sense.
I am flying business class from tlv to madrid with long night stopover and then business to Zurich, both flights on Iberia. Will I get lounge access in tel aviv and Madrid? Which lounge will I be able to use in both airports?
Yes leaving tel aviv in j class on iberia. Getting into madrid early evening and then flying out of madrid j class following afternoon. Was wondering about lounge access in both tel aviv and madrid and which lounge I could use in both airportsIberia uses the Dan lounge in tlv, iinm.
Yes leaving tel aviv in j class on iberia. Getting into madrid early evening and then flying out of madrid j class following afternoon. Was wondering about lounge access in both tel aviv and madrid and which lounge I could use in both airports
Yes leaving tel aviv in j class on iberia. Getting into madrid early evening and then flying out of madrid j class following afternoon. Was wondering about lounge access in both tel aviv and madrid and which lounge I could use in both airportsIn Madrid you'll get the Iberia lounge which is really nice. (Nice clean showers too)
Don't know about Madrid, but you will be able to access the Dan Lounge in Tel Aviv. Just keep your expectations low.I don't recall seeing a worse excuse for a lounge than the Dan lounges at TLV. Reflects pretty badly on the Dan brand.
I don't recall seeing a worse excuse for a lounge than the Dan lounges at TLV. Reflects pretty badly on the Dan brand.I guess you haven't been many places besides NY and TLV. Not every lounge has showers and bling. More often than not they are more or less the same as the Dan.
I don't recall seeing a worse excuse for a lounge than the Dan lounges at TLV. Reflects pretty badly on the Dan brand.You haven't traveled to many different places then.
You haven't traveled to many different places then.
Dan lounge is pretty standard for a PP/Contract lounge, as a plus they have kosher food
I don't recall seeing a worse excuse for a lounge than the Dan lounges at TLV. Reflects pretty badly on the Dan brand.lol. Dont get out much?
The one thing that really irks me with the Dan Lounges is the fact that they hide their liquor. You have to specifically go to the front desk and ask for it -- and it's barely mid-shelf stuff!They have Liquor? I have been in there 20 times and don't recall them having any.
They have Liquor? I have been in there 20 times and don't recall them having any.Maybe that was because it was hidden
http://m.jpost.com/Business-and-Innovation/easyJet-announces-new-Israel-Italy-routes-499388About time. Maybe the ridiculous LY fares will go down on that route now. I see for around $100 RT.
Are there any flights departing TLV after 2pm that could get me into NY with a stopover on the same day?
Lot is the latestThe 12:15 flight? Nothing later than that?
The 12:15 flight? Nothing later than that?
LY direct at 4:00Thanks. Was looking for stopover to keep cost of flight down
TK has a flight at 2:15pm arriving in NYC at 10:15pmThanks. I should've specified I'm not looking to fly through Turkey or Russia.
Thanks. Was looking for stopover to keep cost of flight downThanks. I should've specified I'm not looking to fly through Turkey or Russia.
You want late and cheap, I'm not sure you can afford to be picky...It's a return flight after succos, so direct flights are very expensive.
Whats going on with LY to London? it looks like soon they're pulling the 787 from that route and making THREE! daily flights to LTN with a 737.The LY 787 is doing Newark
An insight here?
Whats going on with LY to London? it looks like soon they're pulling the 787 from that route and making THREE! daily flights to LTN with a 737.Probably due to the demise of Monarch. Smart move if you ask me.
An insight here?
Whats going on with LY to London? it looks like soon they're pulling the 787 from that route and making THREE! daily flights to LTN with a 737.
An insight here?
Where do you see 3 daily flights to LTN ?https://www.google.com/flights/#search;f=TLV;t=LTN;d=2018-07-17;r=;tt=o;sc=e;s=0;mc=
Probably deserves it’s own thread.English article:
Couldn’t find English version yet.
Air Germania to attempt at filling AirBerlin void. Starting with two weekly flights between TXL and TLV.
https://www.themarker.com/consumer/tourism/1.4548434
Doesn't help us folks in the US at this point, as I don't think there's any connecting flights to/from the US.
Hi,Ill go with Transavia.
I'm traveling with the family from LAX to TLV next August, and we're trying out some new routes for us. I found a direct LAX-AMS flight on Delta with available business seats (booked with KLM/Flying Blue miles), and we're planning on staying in Amsterdam a few days before continuing on. I'm deciding on the flight from AMS-TLV and would love to hear your advice.
My top 2 options include:
1. Transavia airlines, leaving at 2:20pm and getting into TLV around 8pm. Perfect timing for us, cheapest option.
2. KLM leaving at 9:05pm, arriving TLV in the middle of the night. There are no saver award seats though, so I'd have to pay a high price for one-way tickets, or use 45,000 miles each/135,000 miles total to redeem 3 business class award tickets.
Here's my question: Should I prioritize the schedule and cost and go with Transavia, or prioritize the travel comfort/benefits and burn the miles to fly on KLM? I've never flown Transavia. El Al options are out of my price range.
On the return, I found seats in business on Swiss through Zurich and booked with United/Chase miles.
Thanks
Whats going on with LY to London? it looks like soon they're pulling the 787 from that route and making THREE! daily flights to LTN with a 737.The change comes at the end of March, the day after El Al is starting 787 service to HKG. So I guess that answers your question.
An insight here?
The LY 787 is doing NewarkAnd it's still doing the LHR route...
Hi,Transavia no question.
I'm traveling with the family from LAX to TLV next August, and we're trying out some new routes for us. I found a direct LAX-AMS flight on Delta with available business seats (booked with KLM/Flying Blue miles), and we're planning on staying in Amsterdam a few days before continuing on. I'm deciding on the flight from AMS-TLV and would love to hear your advice.
My top 2 options include:
1. Transavia airlines, leaving at 2:20pm and getting into TLV around 8pm. Perfect timing for us, cheapest option.
2. KLM leaving at 9:05pm, arriving TLV in the middle of the night. There are no saver award seats though, so I'd have to pay a high price for one-way tickets, or use 45,000 miles each/135,000 miles total to redeem 3 business class award tickets.
Here's my question: Should I prioritize the schedule and cost and go with Transavia, or prioritize the travel comfort/benefits and burn the miles to fly on KLM? I've never flown Transavia. El Al options are out of my price range.
On the return, I found seats in business on Swiss through Zurich and booked with United/Chase miles.
Thanks
Thanks for the advice, I'm def going to sell the Transavia flight as our best option to the boss. I now see that I can book the KLM flight in E for only 19,333 Chase points, so that is my cheapest option if we end up taking KLM.Or book Elal with 20k qantas
The other alternative would be 25k Amex points to book an E seat on El Al at 11:45am, which I wouldn't want to do.
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-atlasglobal-to-launch-tel-aviv-istanbul-flights-1001210125
Whats going on with LY to London? it looks like soon they're pulling the 787 from that route and making THREE! daily flights to LTN with a 737.
An insight here?
LATAM plans to start SCL-GRU-TLV in 2018About time.
https://www.ajot.com/news/latam-plans-to-serve-tel-aviv-in-2018
LATAM plans to start SCL-GRU-TLV in 2018
https://www.ajot.com/news/latam-plans-to-serve-tel-aviv-in-2018
About time.Any exotic routing to be done
IB switching over to all long-haul configuration on flights to TLV.z0mg, best spin ever!
z0mg, best spin ever!Thanks for pointing that out. I haven't flow IB in ages. Last time I did on an some kind of error fare (IINM it was still in the age of paper tickets - definitely before merging with BA) it was a terrible experience, and people around here know what bad experiences do to my relationships with airlines. ;)
They currently have a daily morning A330 and an evening A319 from MAD-TLV.
Effective 3/1 they are downgrading to 1x daily A330 in the afternoon.
Thanks for pointing that out. I haven't flow IB in ages. Last time I did on an some kind of error fare (IINM it was still in the age of paper tickets - definitely before merging with BA) it was a terrible experience, and people around here know what bad experiences do to my relationships with airlines. ;)There is only one thing an airline can possibly do to make things better-to fly widebody to TLV
Thanks for pointing that out. I haven't flow IB in ages. Last time I did on an some kind of error fare (IINM it was still in the age of paper tickets - definitely before merging with BA) it was a terrible experience, and people around here know what bad experiences do to my relationships with airlines. ;)
z0mg, best spin ever!Daily? Um, almost... Sunday, Wednesday and Friday. The other days are 2 a319s
They currently have a daily morning A330 and an evening A319 from MAD-TLV.
Effective 3/1 they are downgrading to 1x daily A330 in the afternoon.
Daily? Um, almost... Sunday, Wednesday and Friday. The other days are 2 a319sGuess that will teach me from spot checking GF.
Because?Yields?
Yields?
Because?Protectionism/security.
With PS's new 777 they will do a rotation to TLV on some days with the 777 or 767 you will will have a true (umm) business class NYC-TLVIf they keep their current prices in J that would be fantastic
If they keep their current prices in J that would be fantasticWhat makes you think that their 777 business class might be anything one might want to fly?
What makes you think that their 777 business class might be anything one might want to fly?http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/2017/11/27/ukraine-777-business-class/
Yet, if it were priced just a drop over economy, I might take it, just like I took Transaero ע"ה for about $1,600 RT in business. But I would like to see the actual product, before getting excited about it.
New route coming in Summer 2018. Will be helpful for connections to Israel. EWR-Rzeszów, Rzeszów-TLV.Its also a half hour from Lizhensk.
https://blog.wandr.me/2017/12/lot-picks-little-route-newark/
New route coming in Summer 2018. Will be helpful for connections to Israel. EWR-Rzeszów, Rzeszów-TLV.
https://blog.wandr.me/2017/12/lot-picks-little-route-newark/
Perfect for a shortish layover. Anyone see the schedule for both flights? Is it even on the same days?
Guess not. That's what I was asking. :)
You sure there's a schedule already (for the RZE-TLV route)?
Are there any flights currently between RZE ant TLV like with Wizz or Ryanair?
noOh, well. Doesn't really work then..
flight details:
Newark - Rzeszów - Newark, begins April 29. 787-8
EWR-RZE Sundays 19:25-10:10+1
RZE-EWR Mondays 14:10-17:40
Tel Aviv - Rzeszów - Tel Aviv, begins March 9, 737-800/737 MAX8
TLV-RZE Saturdays 20:50-23:35
RZE-TLV Sundays 06:06-10:50
Let me guess...the day after high season ;D
Tel Aviv - Rzeszów - Tel Aviv, begins March 9, 737-800/737 MAX8
TLV-RZE Saturdays 20:50-23:35
RZE-TLV Sundays 06:06-10:50
noWhat a polack!
flight details:
Newark - Rzeszów - Newark, begins April 29. 787-8
EWR-RZE Sundays 19:25-10:10+1
RZE-EWR Mondays 14:10-17:40
Tel Aviv - Rzeszów - Tel Aviv, begins March 9, 737-800/737 MAX8
TLV-RZE Saturdays 20:50-23:35
RZE-TLV Sundays 06:06-10:50
if it has to do with Lizensk, why is the flight from TLV on Sat.?First of all, it's Motzei Shabbos. Secondly, they likely got the idea from a Jewish TA, but misunderstood the exact details.. (like starting chof beis Adar. GENIUS!!!)
BTW the RZE airport is active all year with a few daily flights to WAW, & few more destinations in Europe.
the first RZE - TLV is perfect for those staying for shabos after the yurtzeitTrue.
(and nobody try to convince me that flying a wide-body jet to RZE has nothing to do with Lizhensk)
First of all, it's Motzei Shabbos. Secondly, they likely got the idea from a Jewish TA, but misunderstood the exact details.. (like starting chof beis Adar. GENIUS!!!)
It also comes at the same time as JFK - BUD (kerestir anyone?) I'm surprised they aren't doing JFK Debrecen instead....
DEB makes zero scene..That was a joke
Kerestir has lately become a very popular destination all year round. There are a few hundred Yidden there on any given Shabbos during the year.
They are missing Kerestir this year
Reservation opened$101 roundtrip (when booked as 2 one ways)
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/276164/lot-polish-airlines-adds-rzeszow-tel-aviv-from-march-2018/
$101 roundtrip (when booked as 2 one ways)Same as LUZ.
New Wizzair route from TLV-VIE starting in June.4x week
4x week
If Emirates comes in they will kill the market as they did with every city they came in.
BUD is a very undeserved route, rumor had it that EK was going to do it as a 5th Freedom route. DEB makes zero scene..
They are missing Kerestir this year
TLV-EZE might be coming - http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1383863&sid=2308d8d3913c12c981f5f4293f06b7c8
Don’t hold your breath on this to start anytime soon...El Al has much bigger fish to fry in North America and will continue to fly its pax thru codeshare with AR via MAD and FCO
Dan mentioned a few weeks ago the next possible North America route might be IAD or ORD.Population of jews living in the area.
Any real indication that IAD might be the next in line for a direct TLV flight?
I am sure there are many lists, but I just thought this was a good ex airport to TLV list for all flight flying into TLV.Wikipedia has this for just about every airport in the world.
https://www.touristisrael.com/full-list-flights-tel-aviv-israel/12331/
Wikipedia has this for just about every airport in the world.Yup. An invaluable resource for finding which airlines fly out of any given airport to which destinations.
Yup. An invaluable resource for finding which airlines fly out of any given airport to which destinations.
And used to be much more valuable when they had terminals listed too.Many Airports still have
Many Airports still have
In the US? Which major airports still list terminal?Wow, realizing now
Wow, realizing now
I am sure there are many lists, but I just thought this was a good ex airport to TLV list for all flight flying into TLV.
https://www.touristisrael.com/full-list-flights-tel-aviv-israel/12331/
We are booked on AC85, TLV-YYZ, scheduled to arrive at 16:55. We have a separate ticket YYZ- BOS that departs at 20:55. Avoiding checked luggage TLV-YYZ is obviously preferable in terms of minimizing the chance of missing our flight. But if I do need to check a bag, how much time am I adding to claim and recheck and clear security and US immigration/customs? The only difference I can see between my situation and a typical situation (i.e., having a single ticket TLV-YYZ-BOS) is that in the latter, my checked luggage gets screened behind the scenes by security and customs, but I still personally need to go through security, immigration and customs.You didn't mention which airline is your YYZ-BOS flight. If AC, you should be able to check all the way through.
You didn't mention which airline is your YYZ-BOS flight. If AC, you should be able to check all the way through.
you can still check in your bag all the way TLV - BOS, just show your connection for the desk in TLV.
is it for tomorrow? if so you can change for free for an earlier connection
You didn't mention which airline is your YYZ-BOS flight. If AC, you should be able to check all the way through.
Should be AC #7678 on E175.
You all are great. Thanks so much. See below.Maybe if you can show a ticket returning from BOS to YYZ the same day, it can be explained that you actually need to be in BOS and YYZ at those times and then go back to BOS, and it just priced better as separate tickets. (Get BOS-YYZ that you can cancel penalty free).
It's actually next week.
It's booked as UA8530, but indeed it is AC 7678.
Here's the deal: As at least one other person encountered, during the glitch, I couldn't get the same-day connecting flight to price out, so I ended up with a 13-hour layover in Toronto. I was hoping for a schedule change that would allow me to reschedule to a same-day connecting flight, but no luck. I didn't think I would have much success getting an AC agent, either in TLV or in YYZ, to switch me to the same-day connecting flight. Also, it seems that you can fly standby for a flight but only same-day. So, instead of accepting the painful layover and early morning departure from YYZ, I bit the bullet and bought separate tickets for the YYZ-BOS leg. With 50,000 MR (and then getting 25,000 back), I bought the four through Amex. Effectively, I'm doing HC on the original booking and then using a legitimately purchased ticket for the connecting flight.
So you see, I can't check luggage all the way through. I need to claim it as if I'm spending the night in Toronto, and then recheck it. Or, as I said, probably safest if I can avoid checked luggage altogether.
It would have been a lot easier if AC would have just changed the darn flight for me, but they wanted change fee plus repricing of the original ticket.
Maybe if you can show a ticket returning from BOS to YYZ the same day, it can be explained that you actually need to be in BOS and YYZ at those times and then go back to BOS, and it just priced better as separate tickets. (Get BOS-YYZ that you can cancel penalty free).
We just did this last week. Our original itinerary, booked with the glitch, had an overnight stay in Toronto. Ended up booking separate ticket, 9 pm to Newark.when I checked my bags in tlv, I asked if they can tag it straight to ewr, the agent told me I should have arrived at airport earlier and gone to a different desk (before security) and they would have done it for me, but now it's too late. (When I checked in in tlv, only the tlv-yyz boarding passes printed, whereas on the way to tlv, when we checked in in ewr, both sets of boarding passes automatically printed)But when we landed in yyz, anyone we spoke with did not understand why our bags weren't tagged straight through. No one cared that my original itinerary had flight scheduled for the next morning. Also, if you don't tag bags through when you check in in tlv, you may need to pay a baggage fee in yyz, as that separate ticket is not considered an international flight.
Totally helpful data point. Thank you.I don't know which desk she meant, but it was not the regular place where you check your bags after the first security point. When we landed in yyz, went through the connections hallway. There was an agent at the entrance helping people who were flying to BOS. She printed our Yyz-ewr boarding passes and told us that because we flew in from tlv we should not have to pay. And when we checked our luggage (after claiming them, going thru Canadian customs), there was no mention of any fees.
Was anticipating the need to pay for the bag YYZ-BOS, but would be nice to avoid it!
Helpful to hear that no one in TLV was bothered by the fact that you were effectively dumping the last leg of the original ticket.
I'm not surprised the undesired second leg of the trip (YYZ-EWR) didn't print in TLV...it was probably more than 24h before departure time!
Sounds like we need to get to TLV early.
Any idea what different desk the agent meant?
I doubt they'll tag your bags through, DROCIAFair enough. The only risk in trying is that they'll suspect I'm dumping the last leg of the original ticket. Sounds like that's not too risky.
I don't know which desk she meant, but it was not the regular place where you check your bags after the first security point. When we landed in yyz, went through the connections hallway. There was an agent at the entrance helping people who were flying to BOS. She printed our Yyz-ewr boarding passes and told us that because we flew in from tlv we should not have to pay. And when we checked our luggage (after claiming them, going thru Canadian customs), there was no mention of any fees.
As a side point, they somehow tagged one of my suitcases to Dallas to a passenger named Rashid...was quite a story straightening it all out. :)
Fair enough. The only risk in trying is that they'll suspect I'm dumping the last leg of the original ticket. Sounds like that's not too risky.We did not go all the way through. Right after we went through the doors, to the left of the corridor (where they check your boarding pass) was an agent at a desk. She printed our boarding passes, sent us thru Canadian customs, then to get our luggage. Then back to the regular check in, thru security, thru us customs(that's when they realized our bag was being sent to Dallas!) and then to the gate. Was a bit of a hassle...but def beats overnight in Toronto when we've been away for a week and just want to get home. Not once was I asked about my flight the next morning, both in tlv and yyz. Had we been able to tag our bags thru to ewr at tlv would have been much simpler. But at $325 a ticket, I'm not complaining.
So even though you had bags checked to YYZ, you still went through the Connection to US Corridor, and they were able to get your bag to you, allow you to go through Canadian Customs, and then recheck them?! I wouldn't have expected that to work out, but I'm glad to hear.
We did not go all the way through. Right after we went through the doors, to the left of the corridor (where they check your boarding pass) was an agent at a desk. She printed our boarding passes, sent us thru Canadian customs, then to get our luggage. Then back to the regular check in, thru security, thru us customs(that's when they realized our bag was being sent to Dallas!) and then to the gate. Was a bit of a hassle...but def beats overnight in Toronto when we've been away for a week and just want to get home. Not once was I asked about my flight the next morning, both in tlv and yyz. Had we been able to tag our bags thru to ewr at tlv would have been much simpler. But at $325 a ticket, I'm not complaining.We see things exactly the same way. Thanks for taking the time to share your information.
Qatar Airways will commit to [...] not run any indirect flights to the U.S. through other countries
I guess this dashes any hopes for a good fifth freedom flight. ;)Erm, why this thread?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-28/qatar-agrees-to-transparency-to-resolve-u-s-airline-dispute
Erm, why this thread?Just because I was in a good mood, so I figured I'd put it in the most unexpected thread. And after all, I added context.
Erm, why this thread?
Because ExTLV is the only route that isn'tFtfyeffected by the Gluf carrierslikely to ever get a fifth freedom flight.
FtfyI thought you would write because a fifth freedom is the only way to use the gulf carriers to TLV without adding a second stopover.
Any better source on Arkia flying to NY?
From: http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-record-air-passenger-traffic-in-2016-1001173702 last paragraph
"Arkia Airlines Ltd. and Israir Airlines and Tourism Ltd. also improved their result, posting a 30% rise in activity: 650,000 passengers on Arkia and 550,000 on Israir. Both companies are expanding their destination maps, with Arkia also planning to fly to New York and Thailand."
Well, now we presumably have a schedule and fares for TLV-BKK flights on Arkia.
Sorry, only Hebrew sources so far. Seems like Arkia is leasing a 763 for these flights. July and August service planned for Tuesdays (00:50 eastbound, 19:40 westbound) and unfortunately a second weekly flight on Shabbos, with fares as low as $350 in economy (promo, restrictions etc.), and $999 in business (each way, presumably requiring RT purchase).
http://www.mako.co.il/news-money/consumer-q1_2018/Article-5bfd0f5b0106161004.htm
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001222198
http://m.ynet.co.il/Articles/5083864
Forgive my ignorance, what does Arkia’s business class look like? Those seem like a amazing rates.I have no clue.
Flights TLV-BOM to be reduced by 2 hours as they can overfly Saudi airspace - also opens the way for Air India to flyOpens new possibilities for tlv-mle
https://www.thejc.com/news/world/flights-between-israel-and-india-to-shorten-after-saudi-arabia-opens-its-airspace-1.458222
Now ElAl:
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-el-al-demands-israel-also-grant-permission-to-fly-over-saudi-airspace-1.5803416
https://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.com/2018/02/07/saudi-arabia-allows-flights-israel-use-airspace/
Can you please post the article?"El Al demanded on Wednesday that Israeli authorities will allow the airline to fly over Saudi airspace following reports that said the Saudis granted Air India approval to operate flights from New Delhi to Tel Aviv over its airspace.
"El Al demanded on Wednesday that Israeli authorities will allow the airline to fly over Saudi airspace following reports that said the Saudis granted Air India approval to operate flights from New Delhi to Tel Aviv over its airspace.
This is the first time the Saudis are allowing flights to Israel to use their airspace.
Following the reports, Michael Strausberger, El Al's recently appointed vice president for commercial and industry affairs, said he expects that the same approval would be given to Israeli airlines
"We at El Al, and I assume that other Israeli airlines share our view, hope and believe that Saudi Arabia will also allow Israeli airlines, who fly from or to Israel – and not only foreign airlines – to fly over its territory," Strausberger said.
"It's clear that there is no difference between an Israeli passenger who flies in a plane that takes off or lands in Israel with a foreign airline or with an Israeli airline," he added, noting that no passenger or airline should be discriminated against.
Strausberger said that El Al has already asked Israeli authorities for such approval. "We approached the prime minister, the Civil Aviation Authority, the transportation minister and the Shin Bet and said that we expect equal opportunity among the carriers."
The new route over Saudi Arabia, which was granted to Air India, has a clear advantage, he stressed. "It will allow airlines to shorten flight durations and will reduce flight costs and as a result lower prices for passengers."
Opens new possibilities for tlv-mle787 per lucky
Curious to see what equipment they’ll use
Latest: #Saudi Arabia has granted Air India permission to fly over its territory on its new routes to and from Israel, according to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
— Alex Macheras (@AlexInAir) March 6, 2018
Route is starting in a few days...https://www.timesofisrael.com/air-india-denies-getting-approval-for-flights-to-israel-over-saudi-arabia/Latest: #Saudi Arabia has granted Air India permission to fly over its territory on its new routes to and from Israel, according to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
— Alex Macheras (@AlexInAir) March 6, 2018
https://www.timesofisrael.com/air-india-denies-getting-approval-for-flights-to-israel-over-saudi-arabia/This keeps on going back and forth... IIRC correctly they are starting to fly this week, will see what route they fly
This keeps on going back and forth... IIRC correctly they are starting to fly this week, will see what route they fly
Today is the big day. Who will fly on the first Air India flight?
Austrian adding a 3rd daily VIE-TLV flight starting this summer. Afternoon departure from VIE, evening return from TLV.Same type of aircraft?
Same type of aircraft?
A320 instead of A321 on the other 2.:(
:(VIE was a very pleasant connection, but I am not sure you would like their real J either. i found LX J to be much more roomy and comfortable overall than OS. That may be because of their configuration causing the bulkhead to be worse than a regular seat.
If only they would put something with real J on that route, they could prove some real competition to LX and TK (also presumably BA, but who wants to pay outrageous YQ or connect at LHR, I've never flown via VIE, but from what I've heard I'd probably take it over LHR for a connection in a heartbeat).
Still cannot buy a ticket though...To start flying so soon means empty planes.
Today is the big day. Who will fly on the first Air India flight?
According to Air India still not selling tickets.
The flight has still not been loaded in the GDS or Air India’s own reservation for booking yet. I am not worried about that, however, given in the past as well, Air India has just made those announcements sometimes 4 days before the first flight. But this may also indicate that the deal is not in the bag yet and hence Air India is not formally announcing the flight.
http://livefromalounge.boardingarea.com/2018/03/06/air-india-flight-to-israel-overfly-saudi/So once they pass Saudi airspace, do they enter UAE airspace and is that OK? Or do they just fly over Iran and Pakistan?
Flight is live for bookings in GDS's for bookings from the 22nd for both DEL-TLV and TLV-DEL.
Breaking: Air India spokesperson confirms new flights between #Israel and #India and WILL use #Saudi Arabia’s airspace.
— Alex Macheras (@AlexInAir) March 7, 2018
• Flights begin 22 March, Tel Aviv-Delhi.
• Saudi does not recognise #Israel, lifting #airspace ban for Israeli bound jets is first time in 70-years.
Flight is live for bookings in GDS's for bookings from the 22nd for both DEL-TLV and TLV-DEL.Shows up as a 8:15 duration on the way to DEL and 6:25 on the way back..
Shows up as a 8:15 duration on the way to DEL and 6:25 on the way back..
70k Round trip Business with UA or 55k with ANA availability galore.55 with ANA?
55 with ANA?Don't forget the YQ which is high on this route.
are you going to Lizensk or to NYC?Lizensk. There is no connection to NYC yet. Only starting in May IIRC
Seems like LY 82 is flying over Qatar right now, and soon over Saudia Arabia...Breaking: Air India spokesperson confirms new flights between #Israel and #India and WILL use #Saudi Arabia’s airspace.
— Alex Macheras (@AlexInAir) March 7, 2018
• Flights begin 22 March, Tel Aviv-Delhi.
• Saudi does not recognise #Israel, lifting #airspace ban for Israeli bound jets is first time in 70-years.
Seems like LY 82 is flying over Qatar right now, and soon over Saudia Arabia...No, it's over Somalia
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ELY82
Seems like LY 82 is flying over Qatar right now, and soon over Saudia Arabia...And BTW no one can fly from Qatat to SA... Fa showed it oven Oman
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ELY82
Thanks. Now it shows that it didn't fly there at all. What happened? Bug?I think you were seeing what they project as the route which is direct from location to destination
I think you were seeing what they project as the route which is direct from location to destinationThat is an interesting thought. I always assumed it was based off either prior flight paths for the flight, or actual route maps.
With PS's new 777 they will do a rotation to TLV on some days with the 777 or 767 you will will have a true (umm) business class NYC-TLVStarting today?
Interesting, on the KBP - TLV route, you can actually purchase PE seats at just $16 instead of $8 for a standard seatYou just get the seat not the extra 'service'. it was also always like this on the 767 as well. Free within 48 hours of the flight.
Timings work out? What are the times for the EK flights?
EK 210 lands in ATH at 4:05pm and EK 209 leaves from ATH at 5:20pm.So how is that a great way to connect (other than being a widebody for a short flight)? Overnight one way, 7 hours the other way.
https://passportnews.co.il/the-news-of-united-airlines/Chicago?
Best miles to use between Israel and Europe? FB considers Israel part of Europe, but intra-Eur is not cheap on their chart...What do you consider cheap?
Coach flights to Italy, France, Prague etc.Some of those you can probably have with LCC or ULCC for a bargain, not worth it with points. Isn't FB somewhere between 10,000-15,000 for intra Europe flights (with promos being cheaper). Also FB has very low to no YQ on flights on RO, if you want to connect at OTP.
🇮🇳âśď¸Źđź‡®đź‡± Air India’s inaugural Delhi-Tel Aviv flight has now entered Saudi Arabian airspace. #AI139 is the first commercial flight in 7 decades to fly over Saudi Arabia en route to Israel.â°â°
— Flightradar24 (@flightradar24) March 22, 2018
📡
https://t.co/x5ov2kEcJN pic.twitter.com/DkjtFYg3OR
Some of those you can probably have with LCC or ULCC for a bargain, not worth it with points. Isn't FB somewhere between 10,000-15,000 for intra Europe flights (with promos being cheaper). Also FB has very low to no YQ on flights on RO, if you want to connect at OTP.
So what's the story with Omani airspace, was that never an issue?🇮🇳âśď¸Źđź‡®đź‡± Air India’s inaugural Delhi-Tel Aviv flight has now entered Saudi Arabian airspace. #AI139 is the first commercial flight in 7 decades to fly over Saudi Arabia en route to Israel.â°â°
— Flightradar24 (@flightradar24) March 22, 2018
📡
https://t.co/x5ov2kEcJN pic.twitter.com/DkjtFYg3OR
So what's the story with Omani airspace, was that never an issue?Everyone around SA does what SA wants.
Everyone around SA does what SA wants.Except for Qatar
How likely is it that LY will ever get to use the SA airspace?I would say extremely likely, especially once MBS fully takes over the reins.
They turned to IATA and UN but I don't know if they can enforce anything
I would say extremely likely, especially once MBS fully takes over the reins.+1
I would say extremely likely, especially once MBS fully takes over the reins.That would be great for LY's flights to Asia
That would be great for LY's flights to AsiaAnd for other competition. Maybe finally SQ into TLV (though IINM their problem is more with Indonesia and possibly Malaysia).
And for other competition. Maybe finally SQ into TLV (though IINM their problem is more with Indonesia and possibly Malaysia).Good point
I would say extremely likely, especially once MBS fully takes over the reins.MBS?
MBS?GIYF
How likely is it that LY will ever get to use the SA airspace?
They turned to IATA and UN but I don't know if they can enforce anything
And for other competition. Maybe finally SQ into TLV (though IINM their problem is more with Indonesia and possibly Malaysia)."SQ told Reuters it is not currently considering services to Tel Aviv" https://www.reuters.com/article/israel-india-saudi-el-al-arlns/israels-el-al-to-take-its-row-over-saudi-airspace-to-supreme-court-idUSL8N1R52YB
And for other competition. Maybe finally SQ into TLV (though IINM their problem is more with Indonesia and possibly Malaysia).
And for other competition. Maybe finally SQ into TLV (though IINM their problem is more with Indonesia and possibly Malaysia).
See this flight routeהוא הדבר אשר דיברתי.
הוא הדבר אשר דיברתי.See quote from this article: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-india-saudi-el-al-arlns/israels-el-al-to-take-its-row-over-saudi-airspace-to-supreme-court-idUSKBN1GZ1VC
Singapore is pragmatic. And similar to what was stated about Oman vis-a-vis KSA, Singapore doesn't while maintaining its position and global neutrality, doesn't start up with Malaysia or Indonesia which are several orders of magnitude its size, and practically engulf it.
See quote from this article: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-india-saudi-el-al-arlns/israels-el-al-to-take-its-row-over-saudi-airspace-to-supreme-court-idUSKBN1GZ1VC
"Israel’s Tourism Minister on Thursday called the maiden Air India flight a diplomatic achievement and said he has been in negotiations to open similar flights with Singapore Airlines and a carrier from the Philippines, which he did not name.
Singapore Airlines told Reuters it is not currently considering services to Israel."
Any chance on the 5th Freedom flight from NYC to TLV?
Essentially LY is resorting to legal action, rather than trying to compete on product or service.
Most people wouldn't even know that LY's flight is 2 hours longer.
You serious?!?!
90% of people (especially in Y) wouldn't even consider taking a flight 2 hours longer. No "product" or "service" will make any difference here.
Most people wouldn't even know that LY's flight is 2 hours longer.I'm just going to assume you're joking
I'm just going to assume you're jokingNope.
Nope.Well, then your underestimation of peoples intelligence is almost insulting
Well, then your underestimation of peoples intelligence is almost insultingNothing to do with intelligence, most people Aren't on DDF or any other travel forum/blog.
Nothing to do with intelligence, most people Aren't on DDF or any other travel forum/blog.1) This is discussed everywhere. From travel forums to News sites to Kol Mevaser......
Next time your in TLV, ask anyone checking in for that flight if they know that its 2 hours longer than Air India.
Air India's flight and the political ramifications were widely reported in the Israeli media and a large portion of travelers are aware of itDefine large portion...
Define large portion...Far more than .01%....
Far more than .01%....Of course. But no way is it more than a third IMHO. Even that is being generous.
Which is why so many NYC-TLV economy seats are sold on PS, SU and TK (and to a slight lesser degree AZ). ::)
You serious?!?!
90% of people (especially in Y) wouldn't even consider taking a flight 2 hours longer. No "product" or "service" will make any difference here.
Of course. But no way is it more than a third IMHO. Even that is being generous.About the difference of the 772 to 77W, correct. But a 2 hr flight time difference, which can easily be seen when selecting flights and has been repeatedly discussed all over Israeli media, goes quite a bit further than us nerds
We're the nerds that know that United flies a 772 and a 77W from EWR to TLV, but most do not know and do not care.
About the difference of the 772 to 77W, correct. But a 2 hr flight time difference, which can easily be seen when selecting flights and has been repeatedly discussed all over Israeli media, goes quite a bit further than us nerds772-77W=.01%
Which is why so many NYC-TLV economy seats are sold on PS, SU and TK (and to a slight lesser degree AZ). ::)
And also many people (mostly Israelis, or elderly people) pay a premium for LY on the NYC-TLV route despite the fact that the product is inferior to DL and UA.-1
772-77W=.01%I'll agree on that :)
Flight time discrepancy=33%
I'll agree on that :)All I'm saying is that most people don't know. I don't have a problem with LY fighting for this one.
But is 33% not enough a reason to take legal action?
For years LY was paying AI not to operate the routeWhoa! can't they face criminal charges now even though the Israeli gov was in on it at the time?
https://www.themarker.com/markerweek/1.5961339?utm_medium=daily_story_hp&utm_source=Mako&utm_campaign=TM_Article
For years LY was paying AI not to operate the route
https://www.themarker.com/markerweek/1.5961339?utm_medium=daily_story_hp&utm_source=Mako&utm_campaign=TM_Article
https://www.themarker.com/news/aviation/1.5974100
Hebrew article.
Talks about ELAL'S hypocrisy in trying to block Air India flights over Saudi airspace. When for years they paid Air India in order not to fly to TLV, as well as other anti-competitive practices related to codeshare agreements and marketing.
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001230491
Hebrew article. TK opening up bag drop lanes for people who self check in @TLV. Also mentions some stats about TK (9 daily flights to/from TLV, 1MM pax per year!)
How do they control overweight?Probably the same way everyone else does, computer won't print the tag unless the weight is under.
For years LY was paying AI not to operate the route
https://www.themarker.com/markerweek/1.5961339?utm_medium=daily_story_hp&utm_source=Mako&utm_campaign=TM_Article
Don’t know if this is new, but I noticed air Europa has 787 on some days which gives another lie flat option to tlv....$500+ YQ with FB. Bookable with ?
Don’t know if this is new, but I noticed air Europa has 787 on some days which gives another lie flat option to tlv....Where do they fly from?
$500+ YQ with FB. Bookable with ?Not only with FB, it's the same high YQ on other Skyteam programs.
$500+ YQ with FB. Bookable with ?
Not only with FB, it's the same high YQ on other Skyteam programs.Could still be worth it , since when I checked segments on fb there was good availability....
Where do they fly from?Giyf
XL Airways (which up until now only published point to point fares) announced its first connecting fare for TLV-NYC via CDG (A330).
http://www.air-journal.fr/2018-02-06-xl-airways-ouvre-les-correspondances-entre-tel-aviv-et-les-usa-5194218.html
See the date from this post https://blog.wandr.me/2017/09/xl-airways-connect-new-york-city-tel-aviv-israel/
MNL-TLV possibly coming.
http://business.inquirer.net/249785/pal-likely-open-direct-flight-tel-aviv
Trying to book LY in Y:You looking for the direct ly only ? Got $939 here https://www.skyscanner.co.il/transport/flights/bos/tela/181118/181125?adults=1&children=0&adultsv2=1&childrenv2=&infants=0&cabinclass=economy&rtn=1&preferdirects=false&outboundaltsenabled=false&inboundaltsenabled=false&ref=home#results
11/18 BOS-TLV
11/25 TLV-BOS
Showing as $849 in Google Flights Calendar (as it does for many other date options in that general time period), but for this particular date, when I click through to elal.com or OTAs, it jumps to $1000. Is it some kind of "phantom" fare? Is there any way to get the $849 fare?
Maybe one of our TA's out there could help? If so, please PM me. Thanks.
No air jordan.Come again?!?
Come again?!?I think it was a sneaker reference. Maybe he doesn't want a far walk to the plane... 🤷
Trying to book LY in Y:The problem is the return (no more U class available), it can take some time to update on GF.
11/18 BOS-TLV
11/25 TLV-BOS
Showing as $849 in Google Flights Calendar (as it does for many other date options in that general time period), but for this particular date, when I click through to elal.com or OTAs, it jumps to $1000. Is it some kind of "phantom" fare? Is there any way to get the $849 fare?
Maybe one of our TA's out there could help? If so, please PM me. Thanks.
To clarify, I would like to know the best business class experience out of tel aviv to Europe and the far east utilizing Aa points however I am not interested in flying royal jordanian. I know that limits me but that is what I am looking for. Open to any location.The only option to the Far East without a hop to AMM is Cathay.
To clarify, I would like to know the best business class experience out of tel aviv to Europe and the far east utilizing Aa points however I am not interested in flying royal jordanian. I know that limits me but that is what I am looking for. Open to any location.CX to HKG 40K AA
The only option to the Far East without a hop to AMM is Cathay.Ba and ib have real business also lx and air Europa some days
To Europe you have basically Iberia and BA with YQ. Most flights to EU don't have real business so usually better off with revenue in coach.
Ba and ib have real business also lx and air Europa some daysThat's why I listed those 2 as opposed to the other options. He asked for the best, not all. The others you mentioned aren't OneWorld.
That's why I listed those 2 as opposed to the other options. He asked for the best, not all. The others you mentioned aren't OneWorld.Ow to Europe is basically only ba and ib correct. Btw yq is not terrible to Europe
The problem is the return (no more U class available), it can take some time to update on GF.
You looking for the direct ly only ? Got $939 here https://www.skyscanner.co.il/transport/flights/bos/tela/181118/181125?adults=1&children=0&adultsv2=1&childrenv2=&infants=0&cabinclass=economy&rtn=1&preferdirects=false&outboundaltsenabled=false&inboundaltsenabled=false&ref=home#results
flyus.com must be a not-so-well-known OTA.If they get it ticketed you should be fine.
They are offering the LY BOS-TLV RT I mentioned above for $850. Everywhere else it's $1000.
What's the downside of booking through them?
If they get it ticketed you should be fine.Ok, I'll give it a try.
flyus.com must be a not-so-well-known OTA.On sky scanner link there’s one for 939 although this is cheaper
They are offering the LY BOS-TLV RT I mentioned above for $850. Everywhere else it's $1000.
What's the downside of booking through them?
Ok, I'll give it a try.Really irritating.
Thank you.
Really irritating.Perhaps that's why it's a not-so-well-known OTA. It obviously was no longer available at that price, but they just weren't yet updated...
After entering all my info, incl. CC, it fails with "flight no longer available."
El Al new branded fares to Europe (started today) now allows one-way bookings to Europe!Including London?
Including London?Yes
Yes$828 OW for the day I'm looking at!!! :o
$828 OW for the day I'm looking at!!! :oDate?
$617 RT
Date?Mid-June
This is for flights on/after Oct 15
Mid-JuneThere's your answer
After 10/15, a one way to LHR/LTN is about $250 and RT is $360. Was a RT ever so cheap?The new branded fares is to try to compete (or survive) with the LCC's
The new branded fares is to try to compete (or survive) with the LCC'sLCCs? All legacy carrier now offers it
These "lite" fares don't include free checked bags
LCCs? All legacy carrier now offers it1) Not to TLV. Only in Europe. (Besides LO and SN)
Who did you speak to? Who booked it?Was booked on by a OTA but I spoke to AF directly.
Was booked on by a OTA but I spoke to AF directly.I meant which carrier was it booked under.
I meant which carrier was it booked under.AF, 057 ticket number.
Which is a better product in business class from tlv to Europe, flying ba or iberia? Why?
On iberia business class from tlv to europe it would be a 332 and 321 aircrafts. On ba it would be 777 and 320. Which is better, any fully reclining seats. Which is best experience?
How can i book a flight to bern switzerland using aa points? I cant even get Bern to show up on the aa or ba websites.You can't, no partners fly there.
HELP NEEDED: I'm looking for someone with a paid subscription to Flightstats or another way to get historical data on United flight departure times. STORY: I was supposed to fly on UA90 on 3/21 to TLV but was delayed to the airport because of the blizzard. I was denied boarding due to "missed flight" when in fact the flight was delayed until 1.23am that night as I was advised by United on that night. When claiming for compensation, agent is denying flight was delayed. What's the best way to prove I'm right?
Apparently ELAL might be having second thoughts about SFO.Assuming it was only announced for Maimon to be able to add to his list of accomplishments. Now that he's out, it's time to get real...
https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-5267529,00.html
(sorry, couldn't find English source).
Apparently ELAL might be having second thoughts about SFO.https://www.dansdeals.com/airfare-deals/israel-flights/united-strikes-back-el-al/
https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-5267529,00.html
(sorry, couldn't find English source).
https://www.dansdeals.com/airfare-deals/israel-flights/united-strikes-back-el-al/Problem with that prophecy, is that UA will be operating the 788 again, by the time El Al launches the route
"Will United’s move in San Francisco cause El Al to bail on the route before it even begins?"
Problem with that prophecy, is that UA will be operating the 788 again, by the time El Al launches the routeThat will definitely depend on demand. But UA has several built in advantages at SFO over LY. Can't figure out the strategy of fighting UA where they already have an established route, rather than beating them with ORD service (even though UA has built-in advantages there too, but at least they haven't established the route yet).
That will definitely depend on demand. But UA has several built in advantages at SFO over LY. Can't figure out the strategy of fighting UA where they already have an established route, rather than beating them with ORD service (even though UA has built-in advantages there too, but at least they haven't established the route yet).Not disagreeing. Just explaining that El Als backing out has nothing to do with UA putting the 77w on the route, but rather because it probably didn't make much sense to begin with.
Re ORD, being that LY has 2 destinations on the west coast, and 5 destinations on the east coast, they don't have much to gain in the center, other than to stop UA from taking the route (which doesn't necessarily make it worthwhile)In other words, I don't think there's enough non-stop traffic from ORD that it's worth adding just another option for connections.
(sorry, couldn't find English source).
https://m.calcalist.co.il/Article.aspx?guid=3738687Interesting that they note the lack of aircraft as the main reason (in addition to struggling with the competition). They also pushed off switching LY 1 to the 787-9 until April and the additional Newark flights next winter will be operated by a 777. So it does seem like they're short on Dreamliner aircraft.
Dear partner,
EL AL wishes to inform you that the launch of the new route to San Francisco will be postponed to May 2019 due to unforeseen operational reasons.
The airline will take care of all passengers who purchased flight tickets for the period of postponement.
Sincerely,
North America Team
Wiki Updated
Great list!
Though now it's missing from the wiki.For example, I had no idea that Korean Air has a direct flight to ICN from TLV a few days every week. Anyone ever take this route?Never took, but booked many people there.
The only airline flying direct to Asia besides LY.
Wiki UpdatedUkraine
Great list!
RussiaEl Al flies to DME (Moscow)
SVO
LED
ROV
all served by SU
Not sure where LY flies to, but they definitely have service to Moscow. And I believe other Russian cities also have service (not sure which airline, but recall hearing arrival/departure announcements on TLV PA system.
El Al flies to DME (Moscow)Don't really follow LY, I just knew they did when I was trying to see if S7 flies to TLV and found out that they codeshare with LY.
LY cancelled double daily flight to EWR from Oct .28I would assume this is due to the 767 being taken off earlier than planned.. they would have to make up for some of these routes (Boston, Johannesburg)
LY cancelled double daily flight to EWR from Oct .28https://www.dansdeals.com/points-travel/airlines/airline-news/el-al-new-787-routes-route-launch-cancellation-end-747-first-class-dates-sandwiches-instead-meals-fix-ails/
I would assume this is due to the 767 being taken off earlier than planned.. they would have to make up for some of these routes (Boston, Johannesburg)Or just due to the new CEO who's such an idiot, he makes Smisek and David Maimon look good.
Does this guy really think this will save El Al from their crisis? DL and UA exTLV are now $1000 (lowest fare), while El Al is $1089 (lowest fare). If the TAs aren't getting commissions, who exactly will be pushing their product over the competition?
I don't think $1,089 vs $1,000 is uncompetitive. There's an old saying: when you compete on price you automatically lose. The key is to offer a better (even if perceived) value proposition. For some, LY offers it no matter what, but for many it's nothing but a bad deal. That's the problem they need to overcome IMHO.We're not talking about lowering prices to compete (even though, in the airline industry, it's all about price matching. Look domestic US). El Al was charging $1019 in the beginning of the month. Then it went $1059, and then $1089. (Not even gonna discuss the much bigger jumps in PE. At least over there, they don't have competition. [Delta, pleeeeeease come to the rescue...?]) Usually UA and DL follow them with the price increases/decreases. This time, they didn't. But if they think they will fill the 44m hole from the last quarter by raising prices and cutting commissions and routes and additional flights (to EWR), they're mistaken. I think this CEO is one big mistake (just MHO...)
We're not talking about lowering prices to compete (even though, in the airline industry, it's all about price matching. Look domestic US). El Al was charging $1019 in the beginning of the month. Then it went $1059, and then $1089. (Not even gonna discuss the much bigger jumps in PE. At least over there, they don't have competition. [Delta, pleeeeeease come to the rescue...?]) Usually UA and DL follow them with the price increases/decreases. This time, they didn't. But if they think they will fill the 44m hole from the last quarter by raising prices and cutting commissions and routes and additional flights (to EWR), they're mistaken. I think this CEO is one big mistake (just MHO...)
https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-5285184,00.html#autoplay
I’m taking an 8:05 am flight ex-TLV on AF. When would be the earliest I could check my bags?not sure about AF. But United is 3hrs before departure
not sure about AF. But United is 3hrs before departure
Thanks. And how about the first security?this is what it looked like 3:25 min before United's night flight.
this is what it looked like 3:25 min before United's night flight.
Worked for me on Delta for a PIT-BOS 5 min reduction in blocked time.Ok. Will try. Thanks.
Might have to play several hands at the HUCA roulette table.
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/279071/el-al-w18-boston-aircraft-changes/ - TLV-BOS going from 767 to 777 for the winter.Poor YYZ.
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/279071/el-al-w18-boston-aircraft-changes/ - TLV-BOS going from 767 to 777 for the winter.Why aren't they selling F?
Poor YYZ.Strange. In YYZ they have AC with a Dreamliner. In BOS, they don't even have any competition.
Why aren't they selling F?Interesting point. Maybe they're hoping for an early delivery of the 787-8?
Poor YYZ.
Ok. Will try. Thanks.
Rumor has it Norwegian will be operating TLV-OSL direct starting 10/31/2018.Another option from NYC.
If you have any source/link for this rumor please share it here.
ETA source:
http://www.israelhayom.co.il/article/563333
Another option from NYC.
Report back on what happensFirst try: no dice. Agent said it would be $250pp to cancel. Can't give refund on difference. She said call back in the morning when a manager is available.
https://www.colbonews.co.il/real-estate/36025/
Haifa airport seems to have been saved from extinction.
There were (maybe still exist), but the airport was slated for closing due to the short runway not being able to accommodate even regional jets.
Aren't there already flights from HFA to LCA?
Any preference between these two airlines for JFK-TLV?Aeroflot flies some widebodies ex-TLV and is a decent airline (haven't flown them in economy, though my sons have).
Both same price.
Just curious which is better?
Ukraine int'l or Aeroflot
Both allow 2 bags in economy I believe.
Thanks
Aeroflot flies some widebodies ex-TLV and is a decent airline (haven't flown them in economy, though my sons have).Ukraine Intl also flies wide bodies to TLV on some flights and KBP is a pretty modern airport as well.
SVO is a modern airport IME.
I have no experience with Ukraine Int'l or KBP airport.
Aeroflot.I'm not sure what I would rather, but why do you say Aeroflot?
It's for my son. So luggage allowance, safety and in-flight entertainment are the biggest concerns. He always flew Turkish but the flight is $300 morei've flown both.
I'm not sure what I would rather, but why do you say Aeroflot?
Aeroflot beats Ukrainian in every category. Its a no brainer, go with them
Any preference between these two airlines for JFK-TLV?Ukraine is shorter flying time, and if you get their 777 you fly on a newer aircraft
Both same price.
Just curious which is better?
Ukraine int'l or Aeroflot
Both allow 2 bags in economy I believe.
Thanks
Aeroflot is one of the hardest airlines to deal with in case of IROPS. Both getting rebooked, and getting compensation.You won't see a dime in compensation from Ukraine but they're pretty good with rebooking in case of IROPS.
Aeroflot is one of the hardest airlines to deal with in case of IROPS. Both getting rebooked, and getting compensation.I always managed to put pax on LY
You won't see a dime in compensation from Ukraine but they're pretty good with rebooking in case of IROPS.I got compensation a few times thru their claim department
How can I contact the claim department?
I got compensation a few times thru their claim department
How can I contact the claim department?Its customer relations customerrelations@flyuia.com
I always managed to put pax on LY
Any flight cancelation.
With SU? What were the circumstances?
Any flight cancelation.All of which is pretty ridiculous.
They cant do it on phone, I always put in the flight and either have the PAX go a bit early and gets its ticketed at their ticketing desk, or contact their airport office on phone- but sometimes hard to get thru to them
All of which is pretty ridiculous.I agree that PS is much easier to deal with, but SU is not impossible
I've had PS rebook passengers on LY on the phone (like all other airlines do). I've also had that they would hold up the KBP - TLV flight when the flight from JFK was delayed if a significant percentage of the flight was continuing to TLV. SU refused to hold a flight for a few minutes and left many passengers stranded in Moscow Purim night. On top of that they denied ANY compensation, blatantly lying about bad weather in Moscow. (They were delayed 1.5 hours in NY, and according to Accuweather history, there was 0.2in of snow on that date in Moscow (and no snow before or after either).
But again, none of these are amazing....
All of which is pretty ridiculous.I recently had PS rebook on DL (M class).
I've had PS rebook passengers on LY on the phone (like all other airlines do). I've also had that they would hold up the KBP - TLV flight when the flight from JFK was delayed if a significant percentage of the flight was continuing to TLV. SU refused to hold a flight for a few minutes and left many passengers stranded in Moscow Purim night. On top of that they denied ANY compensation, blatantly lying about bad weather in Moscow. (They were delayed 1.5 hours in NY, and according to Accuweather history, there was 0.2in of snow on that date in Moscow (and no snow before or after either).
But again, none of these are amazing....
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/279164/norwegian-expands-tel-aviv-network-in-w18/
2x weekly Oslo (1 of which is on shabbos) and daily Rome flights being added by Norwegian.
Have 2 Alitalia Business Class RT tickets JFK-TLV 2 hour stopHow can you change the name?
1-July 16 return Aug 1
2- Aug 7 return Aug 15
Selling for $1500
Why does UA have a 3rd flight EWR-TLV on Yom Kippur 09/19 at 5:05am and returning TLV-EWR motzei Yom Kippur?
they have it every year, probably because of the demand from TLV, but who is flying on the outbound?@ChaimMoskowitz might have the entire cabin to himself and family.
Aeroflot is one of the hardest airlines to deal with in case of IROPS. Both getting rebooked, and getting compensation.Is Ukraine Air the same, better, or worse than Aeroflot, overall?
How can you change the name?
They allow to change the name
Is Ukraine Air the same, better, or worse than Aeroflot, overall?
TLV - RZE weekly Sunday flight from LO now operated by 737 MAX 8Is that good or bad?
Is that good or bad?Why would that be bad?
The max is short for max pain.According to SeatGuru the pitch and width are the same as on the 737-800
UX announcing seasonal service MAD-ETH 1x week starting October 30.
El Al Israel Airlines in recent schedule update extended Boeing 747-400 service into summer 2019 season, effective 31MAR19. In summer 2019 season, the 747 is scheduled to operate Tel Aviv – New York JFK route.
The following schedule is effective for the week of 10MAY19.
LY001 TLV0030 – 0510JFK 744 x6
LY007 TLV1030 – 1510JFK 744 x56
LY011 TLV1600 – 2040JFK 744 147
LY004 JFK1315 – 0640+1TLV 744 147
LY002 JFK1800 – 1125+1TLV 744 x56
LY008 JFK2345 – 1710+1TLV 744 x5
The 787-9 will operate New York JFK route once again from 16JUN19.
On Hulyo website, can I use an American credit card?Pretty sure no
Starting Aug 1st, one daily LX flight between ZRH and TLV is operated by a 77W.How is this any different then the a330 they fly now? They have F that they don't sell.
Interestingly, they aren't selling F on the route now. I wonder why, and who will get seated in the F cabin (it's just grey on the seating map)
How is this any different then the a330 they fly now? They have F that they don't sell.Correct. Never noticed that the a330 had F.
HON members supposedly can sit in the F seats or you can pay about 300 Euro to sit there.
Starting Aug 1st, one daily LX flight between ZRH and TLV is operated by a 77W.The sad part is that the other flight is moving to single aisle equipment.
Interestingly, they aren't selling F on the route now. I wonder why, and who will get seated in the F cabin (it's just grey on the seating map)
The sad part is that the other flight is moving to single aisle equipment.I'm not by a computer now, but I'm quite sure the second flight is still a a330. Maybe you're confusing with the codeshared flight with LY?
I'm not by a computer now, but I'm quite sure the second flight is still a a330. Maybe you're confusing with the codeshared flight with LY?It is initially, but if you check November the second flight is an A321.
I'm not by a computer now, but I'm quite sure the second flight is still a a330. Maybe you're confusing with the codeshared flight with LY?They're also throwing in the A340 on some days.
It is initially, but if you check November the second flight is an A321.IINM they always had narrow bodies on some days.
(https://i.imgur.com/hrwwxPC.png)
They're also throwing in the A340 on some days.Noticed that too. But only once in a while
Noticed that too. But only once in a whileAnyways, the seats look identical on all 3.
Anyways, the seats look identical on all 3.But unfortunately not on the forth (a321). One of the best connection options to the US for a full J product with decent award availability
As seen on Kayak right now... Is AA adding a 5th freedom flight to TLV? ;)Maybe they serve B'gan KSML ;D
Seems like it's supposed to be Wizz Air. Not sure what the mistake is. Who ever heard of Air Bagan anyway...?
El Al S19 service changes as of 10JUL18Nice to see YYZ finally on the horizon for a Dreamliner. I thought they were waiting for 787-8 deliveries. Perhaps maybe that's why they're reducing to 3x weekly.
Tel Aviv – Bangkok
31MAR19 – 29JUN19 Boeing 747-400 replaced by 767-300ER and 777-200ER, 3 weekly each.
eff 30JUN19 1 of 6 weekly operated by 787-9, the remainder operates with 777-200ER
Tel Aviv – Boston eff 02JUL19 777-200ER replaces 767-300ER, 3 weekly (767 operating from 31MAR19 to 01JUL19)
Tel Aviv – London Heathrow eff 01JUL19 747-400 once again scheduled to operate 2-3 weekly
Tel Aviv – Mumbai eff 30JUN19 777-200ER replaces 767-300, overall reduces from 4 to 3 weekly
Tel Aviv – Toronto eff 30JUN19 787-9 replaces 767-300ER, overall reduces from 4 to 3 weekly
Separately, the airline’s Boeing 767 aircraft is tentatively scheduled until late-June 2019. Previously reported, the airline’s 747-400 operation has been extended into summer 2019 season, mainly operating Tel Aviv – New York JFK route. Planned Tel Aviv – San Francisco launch remains unchanged on 13MAY19. Additional changes will be made in the next few weeks.
Nice to see YYZ finally on the horizon for a Dreamliner. I thought they were waiting for 787-8 deliveries. Perhaps maybe that's why they're reducing to 3x weekly.It changes together with their CEOs.
But I wouldn't rely on any of this as accurate, until it's within 5-6 months of the flight. As we've seen in the past year, they keep changing their plans on which aircraft should serve which route.
Why does UA have a 3rd flight EWR-TLV on Yom Kippur 09/19 at 5:05am and returning TLV-EWR motzei Yom Kippur?
they have it every year, probably because of the demand from TLV, but who is flying on the outbound?Every year. TLV is closed Yom Kippur meaning the day before United can't fly there, so in order to maintain the 2 daily flights out of TLV YK morning they fly from NY which arrives Motzai YK in TLV
The max is short for max pain.
We are considering paphos but have read such horror stories of ryan air. Are flights into larnaca better? Which airline is recommended? Any other close places as a suggestion for a quick getaway over the next few weeks. Everything seems so expensive but this is the time we have.For an hour ride , how bad can it be? Also , look at hulyo.co.il they have deals.
Does Delta have WiFi TLV-JFK?Yes. Also, free messaging for all passengers
Yes. Also, free messaging for all passengers
is ryanair ending flying from TLV? they are not selling any flights after the end of Oct. yesterday it was still available.
any info?
Edelweiss Air in winter 2018/19 season is adding new service to Israel, with the offering of Tel Aviv – Eilat/Ovda route. From 28OCT18, Airbus A320 aircraft will operate this route once a week on Sundays.
WK166/LX8166 ZRH1235 – 1800VDA 320 7
WK167/LX8167 VDA1850 – 2230ZRH 320 7
Zurich - Eilat, not Tel Aviv to Eilat
Anyone even book Edelweiss with UA miles?The 1255pm flight ZRH-JFK and 9pm JFK-ZRH is edelweiss and can be booked on UA
The 1255pm flight ZRH-JFK and 9pm JFK-ZRH is edelweiss and can be booked on UAThey fly to JFK? AFAIK those flights are operated by LX.
They fly to JFK? AFAIK those flights are operated by LX.
https://mobile.twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1019358211072282624Who is this guy? What's his claim to fame/creds?
Who is this guy? What's his claim to fame/creds?
https://mobile.twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1019358211072282624What does 2nd frame mean?
What does 2nd frame mean?In order to have daily flights they need to use 2 aircraft
In order to have daily flights they need to use 2 aircraftThanks for the explanation. And that kills profitability?
Anyone fly Wizzair recently to Budapest? Are they very strict on extra personal bags?
from TLV they are not strict at all, its not them its Jewswhat do u mean?
what do u mean?It means that Wizz air and most/all of the low cost carriers don't put people on their payroll just to check people in for flights from Tel Aviv to wherever. Instead, they hire one of the two or three companies that do the ground services on behalf of the airlines.
Anyone fly Wizzair recently to Budapest? Are they very strict on extra personal bags?
It means that Wizz air and most/all of the low cost carriers don't put people on their payroll just to check people in for flights from Tel Aviv to wherever. Instead, they hire one of the two or three companies that do the ground services on behalf of the airlines.Which airline excepts Elal has their own staff? All belong to a contracted ground company (Like Laufer or GHI). Same is worldwide
The same four or five agents will be wearing the Wizz air uniform and do check in and boarding for the flight and an hour later they will put on the EasyJet uniform and do the same for the Easyjet flight. After that they will work the Ryan air flight, etc' etc'.
If your'e not blatantly breaking the rules, they really couldn't care less about collecting ancillary fees since they don't make any more money doing so.
Which airline excepts Elal has their own staff? All belong to a contracted ground company (Like Laufer or GHI). Same is worldwidePretty sure air Canada has staff
TWA still has issues with their own staff in TLV
Interesting. Luftansa is launching service to Eilat ( VDA) in October. Seems like prices to Germany are cheap the question will this effect pricing to America. Will flying to America be cheaper if you go through VDA?Flying to America from Eilat isn't very convenient. I assume most would prefer a double stop, over driving down south
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-sichuan-airlines-to-launch-tel-aviv-chengdu-route-1001226732
Tel Aviv – Toronto eff 30JUN19 787-9 replaces 767-300ER, overall reduces from 4 to 3 weekly
https://thepointsguy.com/news/united-iad-tlv/https://www.dansdeals.com/?p=157812
"United Airlines just announced plans to begin nonstop service from its Dulles hub in Washington, DC (IAD) to Tel Aviv (TLV), launching May 22, 2019.
The new flight will be operated by a 777-200ER with the following schedule:
UA72 Washington, DC (IAD) 10:30pm Departure → Tel Aviv (TLV) 4:30pm (+1) Arrival (Wed, Fri, Sun)
UA73 Tel Aviv (TLV) 12:20am Departure → Washington, DC (IAD) 5:50am Arrival (Tues, Fri, Sun)"
https://www.dansdeals.com/?p=157812Sorry! (I never go on the website)
https://www.dansdeals.com/?p=157816
Sorry! (I never go on the website)
So you go to TPG website and not DD??For some reason I always assumed that everything first gets discussed on the forum, and then the key takeaways get published on DD.. my mistake :)
https://www.dansdeals.com/?p=157812
https://www.dansdeals.com/?p=157816
So you go to TPG website and not DD??Just the thought of that urks me
continuing to hear murmurs about this (PHL-TLV) although I'm still not elevating the potential likelihood of it from the above until/unless more info trickles out, probably next year.
— ˜”*° JonNYC °*”˜ (@xJonNYC) August 4, 2018
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has ordered the advancement of a plan to build a new international airport on an artificial island off his country’s Mediterranean coast.
According to a statement from the Prime Minister’s Office, the directive was given at a ministerial committee meeting held earlier this week.
The government decided to evacuate Sde Dov Airport and transfer all flights to Ben-Gurion Airport.
Ben-Gurion International Airport is believed to be too small to accommodate the ever-growing number of visitors to Israel expected in the coming years.
“In order to provide for the accelerated growth in the number of tourists arriving in Israel,” the statement said, “Prime Minister Netanyahu directed that a plan be advanced to build an airport on an artificial island adjacent to the coast of the State of Israel.”
https://www.collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=51771&alias=new-island-airport-for-israel
https://thepointsguy.com/news/united-iad-tlv/
"United Airlines just announced plans to begin nonstop service from its Dulles hub in Washington, DC (IAD) to Tel Aviv (TLV), launching May 22, 2019.
The new flight will be operated by a 777-200ER with the following schedule:
UA72 Washington, DC (IAD) 10:30pm Departure → Tel Aviv (TLV) 4:30pm (+1) Arrival (Wed, Fri, Sun)
UA73 Tel Aviv (TLV) 12:20am Departure → Washington, DC (IAD) 5:50am Arrival (Tues, Fri, Sun)"
Who has a better economy class to TLV Austrian or LOT?IINM OS offers a full meal service as appose to LO.
IINM OS offers a full meal service as appose to LO.Thanks, OS?
Thanks, OS?Airline code for Austrian airlines.
IINM OS offers a full meal service as appose to LO.Anyone flown both that can clarify? Thanks.
Ukraine Intl TLV-KBP or KBP-TLV $115 round trip$98 if booked directly on their website flyuia.com
TLV-ODS $119 round trip
Dates available from October through February.
New member - apologies if this has been discussed before.Swiss and BA do offer a lie flat option, IINM Iberia offers once a day as well
Looking for ORD-TLV flights in business/first with readily available award space (ie, not UA from EWR), and that have lie-flat hard product for entire trip.
As far as I can tell, there are no good options where the second leg (Europe-TLV) is on true wide body with lay flat hard product, except for Turkish. I've looked at Swiss, Austrian, LOT, Luftansa, BA, Air France, and KLM. Am I missing something? What's the best way to solve this?
Thanks in advance.
Swiss and BA do offer a lie flat option, IINM Iberia offers once a day as wellSU offers it on some flight as well
SU offers it on some flight as wellSU is angle flat on the wide body ex-TLV IINM (not bad IMHO). Though I don't know if they fly into ORD.
SU is angle flat on the wide body ex-TLV IINM (not bad IMHO). Though I don't know if they fly into ORD.depends what plane you get the 777 is lie flat IINM
Delta will go double daily on JFK-TLV next summer.
http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1402087
.@Delta has some news routes and added frequencies for the summer 2019 schedule.
— Jason Rabinowitz (@AirlineFlyer) August 22, 2018
It's also canceling the PIT-CDG route pic.twitter.com/aQLWeIx4yV
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-sichuan-airlines-to-start-flights-to-israel-1001251600
New option to China
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=30483.msg1964576#msg1964576
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-sichuan-airlines-to-start-flights-to-israel-1001251600
New option to China
Do I recall correctly that UA serves Covenant wines ex-TLV?They got rid of kosher wines :(
For all pax, or just J?
And is the drinking age 18y ex-TLV, or does it go by the carrier's home country (US)? Or is it YMMV depending on the FA?
(Will ask DS to provide DP when he returns, IYH).
They got rid of kosher wines :(:(
Do I recall correctly that UA serves Covenant wines ex-TLV?I was typically served freely even on domestic flights <21
For all pax, or just J?
And is the drinking age 18y ex-TLV, or does it go by the carrier's home country (US)? Or is it YMMV depending on the FA?
(Will ask DS to provide DP when he returns, IYH).
:(Dont fret, was undrinkable.
I was typically served freely even on domestic flights <21+1
I was typically served freely even on domestic flights <21
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Dont fret, was undrinkable.Really? I thought Covenant was supposed to be pretty good. :o
My son was denied before when he was 18 or 19. I don't remember the route. He has kind of a baby face. :)A beard is the way to go :)
Really? I thought Covenant was supposed to be pretty good. :oWas not the expensive Covenant you are thinking of, it was cheap undrinkable Cr*p!
A beard is the way to go :)He's 20 and I'm pretty sure he's not shaving more than every few days yet.Growing a beard is some time way down the road.
Was not the expensive Covenant you are thinking of, it was cheap undrinkable Cr*p!:)
He's 20 and I'm pretty sure he's not shaving more than every few days yet.Growing a beard is some time way down the road.Well at 18 I've gotten with scruff (only tried when I thought I can pass as 21+). So the time for a beard is 18-20, at 21+ it's pointless ;)
Nice new route! TAP often has very good economy and business class fares, which can work one way too. They also offer a free stopover in Lisbon option.Nice. Clearly timed for inbound connecting pax and wasting a lot of time on the ground in TLV for that
Lisbon – Tel Aviv eff 31MAR19 1 daily A321 (Previously served from October 1993 to April 1997)
TP1603 LIS1420 – 2130TLV 321 D
TP1604 TLV0505 – 0900LIS 321 D
BA or LY?
Which partners?Not necessarily partners. Their own metal. They both often have decent mileage deals to Europe
Not necessarily partners. Their own metal. They both often have decent mileage deals to Europe
To fly ba I would have to go cross Europe. How would that be a good deal on a distance based chart?Why do you need specifically distance based? BA is 10k from TLV to LON + YQ
I was under under the impression ElAl is always a rip off, so didn't bother checking. Do any ElAl partners have good rates on ElAl metal?
Why do you need specifically distance based? BA is 10k from TLV to LON + YQ
LY has some decent deals on some routes to Europe, not all. You can transfer from AX to LY. If you insist on distance based, you can book LY via Qantas. But you would need TY points for that.
I don't need distance based, but I figured it would be the best deal for countries closer to Israel.
BA is 10k plus yq to London, so would be even more to other destinations. I'm looking for 10-15k rt to compete with ulcc.
Etihad should get you on JU (no idea what redemption rates are) and FlyingBlue can get you on RO, both JU and RO have (almost) no YQ. If there's any *A that is distance based, A3 flies to LCA and ATH.You also have IB on vueling which can be quite decent rates
You also have IB on vueling which can be quite decent rates
You also have IB on vueling which can be quite decent rates
It sounds like for your needs, your best bet is simply using CC points through a portal (Chase/Citi) or a 2%+ cashback card. Then you can simply book the LCC with your points/cashback. Aegean to Cyprus/Greece is only about 15K r/t with their miles. Qantas would be 28K r/t I believe to Sofia/Bucharest on El Al. I think Etihad miles to Prague via Czech is also very low, but they only operate the Smartwings subsidiary now I believe, not sure it can also be booked via Etihad.
https://www.themarker.com/consumer/tourism/1.6510236Any way to read without a subscription?
Any way to read without a subscription?https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.themarker.com/amp/consumer/tourism/1.6510236
LY is going to lose it..They will probably just close the route.
flights to Deli we're one thing, but to MUM it's going head to head with a competitive disadvantage..
They will probably just close the route.Agreed
LY is going to lose it..I guess you meant Delhi and BOM :)
flights to Deli we're one thing, but to MUM it's going head to head with a competitive disadvantage..
I guess you meant Delhi and BOM :);D
They will probably just close the route.Close the route and reallocate the planes to ORD?
now that arkia is taking delivery of 2 airbus 321 LR NEO, and overhauling their fleet ....
theres been some talk of them entering the tlv-nyc route 6x week, with A330-900NEO, anyone else hear/read that...
how would that do?
Arkia is not associated with Elal?No. And they have flights scheduled on Shabbos IINM.
Arkia is not associated with Elal?Elal almost bought Arkia but an Israeli court didn't let.
Elal almost bought Arkia but an Israeli court didn't let.That was Israir, not Arkia
That was Israir, not ArkiaOh
Just noticed on ITA matrix is showing elal $4000 business class tickets RT nyc to tlv wide open availability on all dates all flights. Tried booking it on expedia and these fares are not showing up. Is there any way to get those fares?https://bookwithmatrix.com/0b4543b5a1e9db6f3009db40dee39aec
Just noticed on ITA matrix is showing elal $4000 business class tickets RT nyc to tlv wide open availability on all dates all flights. Tried booking it on expedia and these fares are not showing up. Is there any way to get those fares?By the way United has with $100 more and a better product
Just noticed on ITA matrix is showing elal $4000 business class tickets RT nyc to tlv wide open availability on all dates all flights. Tried booking it on expedia and these fares are not showing up. Is there any way to get those fares?Make sure the "Only show flights and prices with available seats" box is checked.
Make sure the "Only show flights and prices with available seats" box is checked.It is checked And there is a lot of availability even with United
It is checked And there is a lot of availability even with UnitedI was responding to the one who said his dates weren't available on Expedia. Not helpful enough to know that the box is checked by you.
Sample date with UnitedBtw, both these flights you chose are the old UA configuration. Most prefer the LY Dreamliner over that aircraft. Also, why would you use a agency like flightnetwork when you can book the same thing on Priceline, Orbitz or Expedia?
Btw, both these flights you chose are the old UA configuration. Most prefer the LY Dreamliner over that aircraft. Also, why would you use a agency like flightnetwork when you can book the same thing on Priceline, Orbitz or Expedia?You are right, I just selected the first option book with ita matrix gave me.
No. And they have flights scheduled on Shabbos IINM.
Did everyone notice that Cobalt is a goner?
sad, as it was after trying to replace cyprus airs
and the Danish airline Primera Air also went belly up ....
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so does elal, @Dan posted a bunch of articles about it....
@Dan whats your take on arkia on the nyc-tlv route?What can be bad about more competition?
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ELAL doesn't have flights scheduled on Shabbos (which doesn't mean that they are not mechallel Shabbos, but it obviously does have some value).
I challenge you to bring a quote from @Dan that says that ELAL has regular flights SCHEDULED on Shabbos.
What can be bad about more competition?
@Dan would like to discuss this with you offline?Erm, why not discuss right here?
Did everyone notice that Cobalt is a goner?Sad if this is true.
Sad if this is true.
I liked their flight times, they had great prices and they left from Terminal 3.
Sad if this is true.Is there anywhere to get a list if who flies out of terminal 3 & 1?
I liked their flight times, they had great prices and they left from Terminal 3.
Does that article say anything about regular ELAL flights on a Shabbos schedule?
Here’s How El Al Circumvents Shabbos Flight Restrictions
https://www.dansdeals.com/points-travel/airlines/airline-news/heres-el-al-gets-around-shabbos-flight-restrictions/
CX upgrading TLV-HKG to daily route
Link in Hebrew
https://passportnews.co.il/קתאי-פסיפיק-מגדילה-תדירויות-תפעיל-טיס/
מנכ"ל החברה בישראל: "הקו לת"א אחד מהקווים בעלי אחוזי הצמיחה המהירים ביותר של החברה אי פעםWow!
Wow!Wow is right. Though this shameful airline doesn't deserve any of our money #thieves
El Al launching nonstop service to NCE starting March 31My colleague booked return flights for $247 in April
CX upgrading TLV-HKG to daily route
Link in Hebrew
https://passportnews.co.il/קתאי-פסיפיק-מגדילה-תדירויות-תפעיל-טיס/
Looks like 3x weekly for now. Didn't AF recently fly this route? Anyone know why they stopped?If I remember correctly both AF and Easyjet have seasonal flights in the summer, which they typically advertise in December-January.. I might be wrong
If I remember correctly both AF and Easyjet have seasonal flights in the summer, which they typically advertise in December-January.. I might be wrong
From LY Instagram.It's in line with the schedules you have posted in the past, right?
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-arkia-to-offer-flights-to-vietnam-1001258722Was going to post it here when I saw the headline, but when I read the details and found out that it's all about marketing follow on flights to their BKK route, I decided to pass.
Question:with luggage you will have to wait for Iberia to open their check in desks at most likely 3 hours before the flight
We will be flying on Iberia ex-TLV at 0530 mid-week, a few days after Pesach. How early will we be able to check in and get past security to the Lounge and Schmoozy Bar? The Bar and one of the Dan lounges indicate they are open 24h.
Could we possibly check in as early as 11:30pm or MN?
TIA
with luggage you will have to wait for Iberia to open their check in desks at most likely 3 hours before the flightThank you. That's what I was afraid of. It is consistent with what the IAA website says -- "Iberia opens for check in 3h prior."
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/68049-kenya-airways-eyes-sudanese-transit-rights-for-israel-ops
Kenya Airways To Start Direct Flights To Israel In March 2019 - https://businesstimes.co.ke/kenya-airways-direct-flights-israel/FB partner IINM.
FB partner IINM.
LY signs code share with Vietnam Airlines - Bloomberg reports
Nice new route! TAP often has very good economy and business class fares, which can work one way too. They also offer a free stopover in Lisbon option.
Lisbon – Tel Aviv eff 31MAR19 1 daily A321 (Previously served from October 1993 to April 1997)
TP1603 LIS1420 – 2130TLV 321 D
TP1604 TLV0505 – 0900LIS 321 D
TAP J class JFK-TLV $1465, TLV-JFK $1315. Good option, but a pretty poor product considering the long LIS-TLV flight
Refundable with a $150 charge is great.
ohey, @tapairportugal A321neoLR!
— Jason Rabinowitz (@AirlineFlyer) November 13, 2018
It's basically the JetBlue Mint config. Loaded in the schedule starting October 27 2019 on the LIS-TLV (RON) TLV-LIS daytime flights. #PaxEx #AvGeek pic.twitter.com/QxQ2zKCRxI
Real J?
Wow, good find.+1
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How are the connection times going JFK-LIS-TLV and vice versa?
JFK-LIS 11:25pm-11:15am.What equipment on the JFK and EWR routes? Decent lounge in LIS?
LIS-TLV 2:20pm-9:30pm.
TLV-LIS 5:05am-9:00am
LIS-JFK 5:10pm-8:00pm.
They also fly LIS-EWR at 12:55pm-3:50pm.
What equipment on the JFK and EWR routes? Decent lounge in LIS?
If you fly tel aviv to eilat, can you walk to the north beach from the airport or do you land outside the city?
Air Europa is adding TLV-Casablanca
https://passportnews.co.il/אייר-אירופה-מתרחבת-פותחת-קווים-לקזבלנ/
-1True. IINM Israel and Morocco don’t have any official diplomatic relations.
They are adding MAD-CMN:
UX1113 MAD 23: 25-00: 15 CMN 1--4567
UX1112 CMN 02: 15-04: 50 MAD 12--567
Is this plan too crazy? Would it even work, given Immigration and Security? Are there better ideas?I intend to fly that flight soon as well, ideally I'd like to arrive around 1 am, it's much easier to travel to the airport late at night.
The “problem”: we have 0500 departure on IB TLV-MAD, and we have bags to check. We would like to get to the airport the preceding evening and spend the time in Schmoozy Bar and Dan Lounge.
The proposed solution:
1. Online check-in (should be available 24h before flight)
2. Store luggage at TLV land-side (e.g., http://www.adonlocker.co.il/airport_lockers)
3. Clear security with carry-ons only.
4. Clear Immigration
5. Enjoy Bar and lounge for ~6 hours.
6. Around 0200, exit sterile zone (will I even be allowed?)
7. Retrieve bags from locker.
8. Check bags and clear security and immigration again).
9. Enjoy the lounge for a few more hours.
10. Depart 0500
I worry that the clearing immigration thing is going to be the problem....
Why in the world would you want to do that? 9 hours in the airport sounds like a nightmare. Why not get a few hours of sleep and show up to the airport at 3 AM?
I intend to fly that flight soon as well, ideally I'd like to arrive around 1 am, it's much easier to travel to the airport late at night.
I'd love to hear back if you do try this...
you cant exit airside without a real reason, missed flight etc.
First, I will need to drop rental car, so would want to arrive at airport at 2:00am, means leaving Jlem 1:30 or so. Hard to get much sleep before then, not to mention it means taking an extra night in hotel or AirBnB.
Probably won’t try it, because, as I suspected...
Thanks everyone.
I intend to fly that flight soon as well, ideally I'd like to arrive around 1 am, it's much easier to travel to the airport late at night.
I'd love to hear back if you do try this...
+1.+1
Would love to for someone to try this just to see if it can be done.
How would you leave the sterile area?
Does security care and can they tell if you scan your boarding pass twice?
United ex LHR switched from Hermolis to Stogel. Hermolis is trying to get it back.
United ex LHR switched from Hermolis to Stogel. Hermolis is trying to get it back.Source? That would be terrible!!!
air transat cancelled their route to TLV
Not returning next summer? Was seasonal route.
Not returning next summer? Was seasonal route.
right, was removed yesterday
air transat cancelled their route to TLV
My nephew (studying in Israel) has a return ticket with them in September, 2019. Did not get any email.
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-vietnam-airlines-to-launch-tel-aviv-hanoi-flights-1001262727
I'm wondering if they will get to fly over Saudia Arabia?
No need for them to, according to GCMap.Doesn't that map take them over Iran, Iraq and or Pakistan?
Doesn't that map take them over Iran, Iraq and or Pakistan?Exactly. ::)
Exactly. ::)Excellent ;D