Post by: Drago on July 07, 2013, 03:39:59 PM
This could include new routes, closed routes, equipment changes on routes, etc.
For example, I had no idea that Korean Air has a direct flight to ICN from TLV a few days every week. Anyone ever take this route?
Post by: Dan on July 07, 2013, 03:42:50 PM
For example, I had no idea that Korean Air has a direct flight to ICN from TLV a few days every week.http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/29430 :)
Post by: Side incomer on July 07, 2013, 03:43:10 PM
For example, I had no idea that Korean Air has a direct flight to ICN from TLV a few days every week. Anyone ever take this route?
Never took, but booked many people there.
The only airline flying direct to Asia besides LY.
Post by: Drago on July 07, 2013, 03:47:46 PM
Never took, but booked many people there.Never had a clue. Was always hoping to see some competition. Now if only CX will start s/t.
The only airline flying direct to Asia besides LY.
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/29430 :)Rereading the post, I see where you made the reference. I guess I hadn't read it closely enough the first time.
Which SkyTeam member is the best to book this with?
Post by: Centurion on July 07, 2013, 03:52:24 PM
korean switched planes on us so i got a seat in business
then from ICN to JFK (OZ) Asiana Airlines 222
very nice flight not a great as CX
Post by: Drago on July 07, 2013, 03:54:07 PM
i flew with united miles switched planes on us so i got a seat in businessUA switched you to Korean?
then from ICN to JFK (OZ) Asiana Airlines 222
very nice flight not a great as CX
Post by: Centurion on July 07, 2013, 03:55:59 PM
i meant the way i "paid" for the ticket was with united miles
Post by: Drago on July 07, 2013, 03:59:11 PM
i corrected the postUA allows redemptions on Korean?
i meant the way i "paid" for the ticket was with united miles
Post by: Centurion on July 07, 2013, 04:56:52 PM
Post by: Side incomer on July 07, 2013, 04:59:13 PM
asiana airlines flying from koreaIn that case it was off-topic in this thread...
Post by: andrew on July 07, 2013, 05:00:43 PM
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 07, 2013, 05:07:10 PM
Never took, but booked many people there.I did. Nice flight. Empty in J/F.
The only airline flying direct to Asia besides LY.
Beware the reg KSML is not glatt (oddly the hot portion came from a different caterer and was glatt), although I don't know if they have a SKML.
Post by: Dan on July 07, 2013, 05:11:11 PM
I did. Nice flight. Empty in J/F.Did you book via KE?
Post by: Drago on July 07, 2013, 05:11:43 PM
Which SkyTeam member is the best to book this with?Any ideas of creative routings that can be done?
Post by: Bp on July 07, 2013, 05:59:28 PM
Maybe the bloggers know about this!!
For example, I had no idea that Korean Air has a direct flight to ICN from TLV a few days every week. Anyone ever take this route?
Post by: Drago on July 07, 2013, 10:20:40 PM
Maybe the bloggers know about this!!They do!!!
Dan mentioned it in his post that he linked to!!
Your excitement is contagious, and frankly, a breath of fresh air!
Post by: Side incomer on July 07, 2013, 10:21:56 PM
They do!!!
Dan mentioned it in his post that he linked to!!
Your excitement is contagious, and frankly, a breath of fresh air!
I think you were missing his point...
Post by: Drago on July 07, 2013, 10:22:34 PM
I think you were missing his point...I likely was. Care to explain?
Post by: Drago on July 08, 2013, 01:59:45 PM
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/el-al-matmid/1052147-new-routes-extra-frequencies-tlv-all-airlines-39.html
And an interesting rumor, also from FT.
Think it has any meaning?
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/el-al-matmid/1482172-fuel-fire-aa-tlv-rumors.html
Post by: Dan on July 08, 2013, 02:02:55 PM
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/23168
Post by: David B on July 10, 2013, 11:14:14 AM
I can't get straight answer from KLM/Delta on what the cabin looks like, or how it is configured. It's a 737, and according to both Seatguru as well as the KLM website, Business Class is a 3x3 configuration, with the middle seat blocked on each side. Which basically means the cabin is awful, as it would have the same seat as Economy Comfort, just without anyone sitting next to you.
But according the the Delta/KLM reps on the phone, the cabin is 1 x 2 x 1 and isn't the same seat....????!?!?!?!?
Anyone flown KLM recently? If you fly KLM from JFK-TLV, you can get a DL flight on the JFK-AMS portion, and that's the lie flat seat on the 767.
Post by: Chaikel on July 10, 2013, 11:18:00 AM
Post by: David B on July 10, 2013, 11:28:31 AM
Date?
I will be flying the JFK-TLV route in two weeks, on July 24th, DL from JFK to TLV, connecting to KLM from AMS-TLV, flight 461, returning one week later the same way, KLM Flight 462 from TLV-AMS, and then DL from AMS-JFK
Curious about the AMS-TLV business class cabin....keep gettign conflicting information.
Post by: Mile Run on July 10, 2013, 11:45:00 AM
Post by: Drago on July 10, 2013, 02:19:34 PM
TowerAir??
Post by: Ergel on July 10, 2013, 03:23:54 PM
??Doesn't know what ex means
Post by: Chaikel on July 10, 2013, 04:23:59 PM
I will be flying the JFK-TLV route in two weeks, on July 24th, DL from JFK to TLV, connecting to KLM from AMS-TLV, flight 461, returning one week later the same way, KLM Flight 462 from TLV-AMS, and then DL from AMS-JFKIt's economy seats
Curious about the AMS-TLV business class cabin....keep gettign conflicting information.
Post by: David B on July 10, 2013, 10:16:42 PM
It's economy seats
Thanks for the heads-up....Oh well....
Post by: shmooz on July 11, 2013, 12:31:59 AM
fyi chart is here http://www.lufthansa.com/de/en/Business-Class-Product
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 11, 2013, 12:32:59 AM
It's economy seatsAre your sure? I think KLM alternates.
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 11, 2013, 12:33:27 AM
Looking at a flight TLV-FRA-IAD on LH in biz. I know the seats to FRA are not really biz but what about FRA-IAD? The LH chart shows the flight 416 is not yet the new biz, but how bad is the old biz on that route?If it's a 747 800 it will have the new business, quite a nice plane.
fyi chart is here http://www.lufthansa.com/de/en/Business-Class-Product
Post by: shmooz on July 11, 2013, 12:36:04 AM
If it's a 747 800 it will have the new business, quite a nice plane.
It's A330-300, so not new, how bad is the old compared to UA or LY?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 11, 2013, 12:37:10 AM
It's A330-300, so not new, how bad is the old compared to UA or LY?Its much worse than UA if you want to sleep.
Post by: shmooz on July 11, 2013, 12:44:14 AM
Post by: Drago on July 11, 2013, 01:36:21 AM
http://igoogledisrael.com/2013/07/even-more-flights-to-tel-aviv-open-up-now-from-lithuania-poland-and-romania/?utm_source=feedly
Post by: 972sg212 on July 11, 2013, 02:15:29 AM
Post by: Drago on July 11, 2013, 04:28:40 AM
Wizz Air to launch 3 Tel Aviv-East European routes - Globes (http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000860948&fid=1725)
Some more budget airline routes.
http://igoogledisrael.com/2013/07/even-more-flights-to-tel-aviv-open-up-now-from-lithuania-poland-and-romania/?utm_source=feedly
You were a few minutes too late :)
Post by: Chaikel on July 11, 2013, 07:12:12 AM
Are your sure? I think KLM alternates.According to the seat map that Sabre pulls up
Post by: Bp on July 11, 2013, 09:11:09 AM
Post by: 972sg212 on July 11, 2013, 12:49:47 PM
You were a few minutes too late :)
Did you read the article I posted ?
A little more detailed
Post by: Drago on August 15, 2013, 12:58:14 AM
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/el-al-matmid/1493864-master-thread-list-all-low-cost-flights-tlv.html
I'll take the liberty to copy/paste.
Basel
Easyjet ~ 4x per week
Bucharest
Wizzair ~ 2x per week
Budapest
Wizzair ~ 7x per week.
Cologne-bonn
Germanwings ~ 2x per week
Cluj-Napoca
Wizzair ~ 2x per week (starting 24/11/13)
Geneva
Easyjet ~ 4-5x per week
Istanbul (SAW)
Pegasus ~ 10-14x per week
(offers cheap connections to many European destinations)
Katowice
Wizzair ~ 3x per week (starting 29/10/2013)
Liege
Jetairfly ~ 2x per week.
London Luton
Easyjet ~ 9-11x per week.
Manchester
Easyjet ~ 2x per week
Jet2 ~ 2x per week
Paris
Air Mediterrane ~ 3-5x per week
Riga
Air Baltic ~ 5x per week.
Rome
Easyjet ~ 2x per week (starting 24/9/2013).
Stockholm
Norwegian ~ 2x per week
Vilnius
Wizzair ~ 2x per week (starting 27/10/2013)
Post by: jr611 on August 15, 2013, 01:01:58 AM
Here's a good summary of all budget carriers w/ flights from TLV.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/el-al-matmid/1493864-master-thread-list-all-low-cost-flights-tlv.html
Forgot Meridiana TLV-MXP
Post by: Drago on August 15, 2013, 01:12:04 AM
I see TLV - Rome for as low as around $170 RT, and cheaper if you can leave on shabbos (via the use of many shinuim). However, besides shabbos, there is only 1 other weekly flight.
TLV - Geneva has very good outbound fares, but high return fares. Can probably build an itin for <$250 if you can make the dates work.
TLV - Manchester can be had for under $225.
TLV - Basel has good prices in both directions for around $175 total.
Keep in mind that many of these prices aren't for the summer months (EasyJet doesn't show availability out that far), and they are only this low when booking a few months in advance.
Post by: Bostener on August 15, 2013, 01:30:13 AM
Post by: Dan on August 15, 2013, 01:36:43 AM
Wow! We need own skies policy from NY to TLV too!There is.
LCCs don't generally have spare 777s.
Post by: Galitzyaner on August 15, 2013, 01:44:19 AM
There is.Spare?? On such a profitable route?! :-\
LCCs don't generally have spare 777s.
Post by: Galitzyaner on August 15, 2013, 01:48:40 AM
Some comments:Hmm interesting! It leaves on Shabbos? Or close to Shabbos?
....., and cheaper if you can leave on shabbos (via the use of many shinuim).
Can you expound (or link) on what you're referring to with those shinuiyim?! :D
Keep in mind that many of these prices aren't for the summer months (EasyJet doesn't show availability out that far), and they are only this low when booking a few months in advance.+1000000
Many a time the fares are way higher than this.
Post by: Drago on August 15, 2013, 02:54:01 AM
Hmm interesting! It leaves on Shabbos? Or close to Shabbos?
Can you expound (or link) on what you're referring to with those shinuiyim?! :D+1000000
Many a time the fares are way higher than this.
Ask your LRR
I see months of these prices, but usually from November thru March.
Post by: moish on August 15, 2013, 06:43:38 PM
Post by: moish on August 15, 2013, 06:43:52 PM
Post by: 972sg212 on August 16, 2013, 01:30:14 AM
(http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000872488&fid=1725)
Post by: Drago on August 20, 2013, 06:52:10 AM
40k RT in economy w/ UA miles.
Post by: Drago on August 27, 2013, 07:45:08 AM
http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_article.php?id=11605
Post by: Drago on August 29, 2013, 03:28:35 AM
http://airlineroute.net/2013/08/29/w6-wawtlv-nov13/
Post by: 972sg212 on August 29, 2013, 02:51:31 PM
2 weekly flights on Wizz to Warsaw.
http://airlineroute.net/2013/08/29/w6-wawtlv-nov13/
Wizz Air to launch Tel Aviv-Warsaw route
(http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000875459&fid=1725)
Guess I posted in the wrong thread
Post by: Drago on August 29, 2013, 02:57:05 PM
Guess I posted in the wrong threadYup
:)
Post by: Drago on October 09, 2013, 12:38:42 PM
http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000884204
Oddly enough, Katz said it'll increase it to 12 a week, but according to the article it's already 11 a week.
Also, a new LY no-show fee.
http://www.janglo.net/component/option,com_adsmanager/page,display/tid,285484/catid,99/Itemid,361
Post by: Dan on October 09, 2013, 12:54:27 PM
I wonder if this will do anything to lower prices to Canada.So they've added an allowance for 1 flight a week. Who cares?
http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000884204
Oddly enough, Katz said it'll increase it to 12 a week, but according to the article it's already 11 a week.
Post by: Drago on October 09, 2013, 12:57:48 PM
So they've added an allowance for 1 flight a week. Who cares?That's why I'm wondering if I'm missing something in it.
It may also be to formalize something technical. I thought I had read that somewhere.
Post by: Drago on October 10, 2013, 05:01:11 AM
What's the cheapest way to fly J to ICN? On the way to the US? (I remember that Dan did this a few years ago.)
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 10, 2013, 08:49:59 AM
Acc to FT, the KE flight will now have lie flat beds in J.It always had flat seats in J, you can see the seat type on their website.
What's the cheapest way to fly J to ICN? On the way to the US? (I remember that Dan did this a few years ago.)
http://www.janglo.net/component/option,com_adsmanager/page,display/tid,285484/catid,99/Itemid,361
They make it sound like a special fine you have to pay if you miss your flight... it's just a higher change fee, many airlines have that.
Post by: Drago on October 10, 2013, 09:07:58 AM
It always had flat seats in J, you can see the seat type on their website.According to SeatGuru, the 777-200 they're flying now is angled flat in J.
Post by: Dan on October 10, 2013, 10:02:21 AM
Post by: Drago on October 10, 2013, 10:04:34 AM
140k AS to fly KE J to the Middle East RT... anyone book that to TLV yet?Does it price out on their website? And do they allow stopovers?
Post by: Bp on October 13, 2013, 12:47:12 AM
And do they allow stopovers?oh how would you know the bloggers didn't post about it yet.
Post by: Drago on October 13, 2013, 01:14:39 AM
oh how would you know the bloggers didn't post about it yet.Exactly, that's my issue. If only the bloggers had posted about this, I'd have been able to post about it here.
Especially if Sir Pickles had posted it. He's the BEST!
Sigh....
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 13, 2013, 10:28:11 AM
According to SeatGuru, the 777-200 they're flying now is angled flat in J.(http://i40.tinypic.com/hrnalg.png)
Post by: Drago on October 13, 2013, 10:34:23 AM
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 13, 2013, 10:42:08 AM
Maybe they're showing what the new aircraft setup will be? That is what the page says.
I've been on the plane and tell you for a fact it's lie flat.
The page I posted also lists the departure date as 10/19.
Post by: Dan on October 13, 2013, 11:11:52 AM
I've been on the plane and tell you for a fact it's lie flat.By far and away the best seat that flies into TLV.
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 13, 2013, 11:13:26 AM
By far and away the best seat that flies into TLV.
That sells into TLV. LX F also flies into TLV.
Post by: Dan on October 13, 2013, 11:15:33 AM
That sells into TLV. LX F also flies into TLV.But without LX F service KE still wins easy.
Plus according to you LX often downguages that route.
Post by: ilherman on October 13, 2013, 04:57:34 PM
According to the seat map that Sabre pulls upConfirming AMS-TLV business class is regular economy plus with the middle seat empty.
Post by: meshugener on October 13, 2013, 07:20:17 PM
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 13, 2013, 07:24:32 PM
KE blocks its premium availability for partners?Most of it, yes.
Post by: meshugener on October 13, 2013, 08:27:39 PM
Did you ever see KE first or business availability on on DL?
Post by: AJK on October 13, 2013, 08:43:58 PM
Post by: Drago on October 14, 2013, 09:18:22 AM
This would also allow for a stopover in the US.
Too bad about the >$700 YQ + 140k miles (Y class).
Edit: It appears that it may be piecing together 2 different awards, but I can't tell. Any insights?
Post by: chff on October 14, 2013, 10:09:26 AM
Wasn't sure where to put this, and it may have been obvious, but I searched AMM-SYD on DL to see if it would pull up the direct AMM flight on Virgin Australia.
AMM-SYD on VA?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 14, 2013, 10:12:00 AM
Post by: Drago on October 14, 2013, 10:30:53 AM
No such flightI guess it didn't make sense.
I had seen it here, http://www.virginaustralia.com/au/en/plan/destinations/destination-guides/, and thought it existed.
Post by: Drago on October 15, 2013, 06:42:15 AM
Some of the flights are also on sale w/ the current sale.
http://airlineroute.net/2013/10/14/ly-vce-w13/
Post by: Drago on October 17, 2013, 12:41:08 AM
http://airlineroute.net/2013/10/15/ly-lca-w13/
Post by: moish on October 17, 2013, 01:23:30 PM
Post by: Drago on October 21, 2013, 04:18:30 PM
Norwegian starting LGW-TLV service.
http://airlineroute.net/2013/10/21/dy-lgwtlv-s14/
The more discount carriers, the better.
Yay for Open Skies.
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 21, 2013, 04:20:12 PM
Post by: Drago on October 21, 2013, 04:24:03 PM
Is their Ny flight from Gatwick or Heathrow?LGW
http://www.theflightdeal.com/2013/10/17/norwegian-air-shuttle-491-york-fort-lauderdale-london-england-roundtrip-including-taxes/
Post by: meshugener on October 21, 2013, 04:47:58 PM
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 21, 2013, 04:49:38 PM
So they'll let you do JFK-LGW-TLV?I would suspect that's why they're doing this LGWTLV flight. All depends on flight schedule though.
Post by: lifetimedeals on October 21, 2013, 05:26:25 PM
Post by: AJK on October 21, 2013, 05:38:11 PM
Post by: lifetimedeals on October 21, 2013, 05:43:08 PM
You can book it, but by the time the flight go to JFK your ticket would be voided.so u know for sure you have to leave from there first? but on way back can walk out of jfk and not continue
Post by: meshugener on October 21, 2013, 06:03:51 PM
On the return at JFK you can leave the airport.
Post by: chucksterace on October 21, 2013, 06:15:08 PM
have a question if anybody would know if I see a flight from Washington dc to TLV with a stop the stop is JFK can I start out from JFK and skip the start out of DC ? I don't see why not
No. If you ditch the first leg your ticket will cancel out.
Post by: lifetimedeals on October 21, 2013, 06:15:37 PM
Yeah, I think AJK knows for sure.thanks, which type miles/points can be transferred into delta miles?
On the return at JFK you can leave the airport.
Post by: AJK on October 21, 2013, 06:20:53 PM
Post by: lifetimedeals on October 21, 2013, 06:22:16 PM
SPG and MR.thanks MR is 1 for 1 ?
Post by: MEIR613 on October 21, 2013, 06:24:56 PM
SPG and MR.Criiingggg.
Post by: lifetimedeals on October 21, 2013, 06:27:02 PM
thanks MR is 1 for 1 ?wow just searched there is a fee to transfer
Post by: Drago on October 22, 2013, 01:48:25 AM
Secondly, Dan has posted repeatadly that you can't skip any of the initial legs of an itin.
Post by: meshugener on October 23, 2013, 10:29:52 AM
Is there an airline that partners with both - ElAl and EK?
Post by: Bp on October 23, 2013, 11:07:47 AM
I know there isn't, but just giving it a try in case I miss something.QF
Is there an airline that partners with both - ElAl and EK?
Post by: Side incomer on October 23, 2013, 11:17:20 AM
QFBut keep in mind that when booked with them, bags won't go through, as there is no interline agreement.
#learnedthehardway
Post by: meshugener on October 23, 2013, 12:04:03 PM
QFThanks!
But keep in mind that when booked with them, bags won't go through, as there is no interline agreement.That's a huge downside, but as long I can do it on one ticket (so airline is responsible in the event of delays) its still a viable option.
#learnedthehardway
Post by: Side incomer on October 23, 2013, 01:02:52 PM
Thanks!
That's a huge downside, but as long I can do it on one ticket (so airline is responsible in the event of delays) its still a viable option.
If I may ask: are you trying to do JFK-MXP-TLV?
Post by: meshugener on October 23, 2013, 01:38:00 PM
You smart guy...
Post by: MEIR613 on October 23, 2013, 02:49:28 PM
I know there isn't, but just giving it a try in case I miss something.Looks like Aeromexico is.
Is there an airline that partners with both - ElAl and DL?
Post by: meshugener on October 23, 2013, 05:14:14 PM
Looks like Aeromexico is.And how does that help me?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 23, 2013, 05:17:25 PM
Looks like Aeromexico is.AM has nothing to do with Elal.
Post by: Side incomer on October 23, 2013, 06:11:20 PM
Looks like Aeromexico is.Fly Luxus made them a home-made partner of LY. But in general, they have no connection.
Post by: Bp on October 23, 2013, 06:11:27 PM
Post by: meshugener on October 23, 2013, 07:08:16 PM
If I may ask: are you trying to do JFK-MXP-TLV?Interesting, they say total YQ and taxes would be around $200.
Does that make sense?
Emirates itself charges over $1,000 in YQ.
Post by: Side incomer on October 23, 2013, 07:22:16 PM
Interesting, they say total YQ and taxes would be around $200.QF does not have YQ on EK ex-US or into US.
Does that make sense?
Emirates itself charges over $1,000 in YQ.
But they do have on all other EK flights.
EK used to be like that (no YQ on ex-UA) until a few months ago.
Post by: meshugener on October 23, 2013, 08:49:01 PM
Thanks for your help.
Post by: MEIR613 on October 23, 2013, 09:26:52 PM
Fly Luxus made them a home-made partner of LY. But in general, they have no connection.Thanks.
Just saw on Elal.com that they partner with AM.
So I guess there is no way to put DL and LY on the same ressy.
Post by: meshugener on October 23, 2013, 10:14:11 PM
Not that I know something, just saying.
Post by: Drago on October 28, 2013, 05:33:36 AM
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/173273#.Um4tanCnrqQ
Post by: Jkhein on October 28, 2013, 06:26:50 AM
FYI, Terminal 1 is reopening for low-cost flights.it's been open for years now for easyjet, wizzair etc.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/173273#.Um4tanCnrqQ
Maybe they mean that flights will actually depart from there now, as opposed to untill now you had to transfer back to T3 afterwards.
Post by: Drago on October 28, 2013, 06:58:43 AM
it's been open for years now for easyjet, wizzair etc.What do you mean that you've had to transfer back to T3?
Maybe they mean that flights will actually depart from there now, as opposed to untill now you had to transfer back to T3 afterwards.
Post by: Jkhein on October 28, 2013, 07:10:27 AM
What do you mean that you've had to transfer back to T3?After check in and security, a bus would transfer you to the gates at T3.
Post by: moish on October 28, 2013, 05:03:00 PM
Post by: bentch on October 30, 2013, 11:39:40 PM
New expanded low-budget flights to-from israel starting winter
Post by: Drago on November 04, 2013, 07:22:11 AM
Post by: Drago on November 07, 2013, 01:36:50 AM
http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000891957&fid=942
With their lack of organizational control, I kinda doubt it.
Post by: Jkhein on November 14, 2013, 04:25:41 AM
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4453381,00.html
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 17, 2013, 09:34:17 AM
Post by: fresar on November 17, 2013, 08:45:31 PM
LH 8341
why to turkey?
Post by: avremie on November 17, 2013, 10:38:10 PM
Post by: chucksterace on November 17, 2013, 11:01:55 PM
is it possible to get nyc-tlv in saver first with UA?
Ua only flies two cabin 777, coach and Business/First. And yes it is possible to get Saver Business/First for those flights.
Post by: avremie on November 17, 2013, 11:51:10 PM
Post by: Ergel on November 17, 2013, 11:59:11 PM
thanx. any UA partner airline that has real first?LH, but you can only book <15 out
Post by: chucksterace on November 18, 2013, 12:02:13 AM
LH, but you can only book <15 out
And that is only to FRA/MUC. From there only European business. Doesn't LX have first class on their A330 which they sometimes fly to TLV?
Post by: Ergel on November 18, 2013, 12:03:01 AM
And that is only to FRA/MUC. From there only European business. Doesn't LX have first class on their A330 which they sometimes fly to TLV?LX doesn't release F space to partners
Post by: chucksterace on November 18, 2013, 12:13:53 AM
LX doesn't release F space to partners
Gotchya.
Post by: gold on November 18, 2013, 05:57:48 PM
can someone explain this route?
LH 8341
why to turkey?
cargo
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 18, 2013, 06:01:57 PM
LX doesn't release F space to partnersLX doesn't sell F at all on ZRHTLVZRH
Post by: satturn on November 19, 2013, 03:25:59 PM
Post by: Jkhein on November 19, 2013, 05:02:39 PM
Saw fly luxus mentioned. What are they? Just selling business class points tickets? Or something else? Some israeli guy told me i got to speak to them.they pull alot of shtick with airlines, and many of the times it gets cancelled a day before the flight, you are left without a ticket, luxus will not help you. My advice from experience, is to keep far away from them.
Post by: chucksterace on November 21, 2013, 06:28:44 AM
EasyJet applied to fly 3 weekly flights to SXF (Berlin).
http://www.jpost.com/Business/Business-Features/EasyJet-to-begin-direct-Tel-Aviv-Berlin-in-February-332552
Post by: Drago on November 26, 2013, 04:11:55 AM
Also, per this FT thread, http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/el-al-matmid/1520832-agreement-philippines-direct-flights-2.html, there is an agreement for flights to the Philippines.
Post by: travel agent on November 26, 2013, 09:41:53 AM
Anyone know why UA84/85 are late this Friday/Saturday?
because TLV is closed on Sat. mornings now for renovations or so.
Post by: Dan on November 26, 2013, 01:40:49 PM
El Al is having their news conference today (I think) about their new 'low-cost' subsidary.LY thinks they can succeed where CO, DL, and UA failed miserably?
That's cute.
Post by: Drago on November 26, 2013, 01:53:09 PM
LY thinks they can succeed where CO, DL, and UA failed miserably?I don't think it'll work, but the European market is diff than the US market and LCCs seem to do quite well. But their structural problems won't allow it to work for them IMO.
That's cute.
Post by: hertzinstl on November 26, 2013, 01:53:29 PM
LY thinks they can succeed where CO, DL, and UA failed miserably?Israelis ::)
That's cute.
Post by: Dan on November 26, 2013, 01:59:27 PM
I don't think it'll work, but the European market is diff than the US market and LCCs seem to do quite well. But their structural problems won't allow it to work for them IMO.LCCs do well everywhere.
LCCs run by big airlines do not.
Post by: Drago on November 26, 2013, 02:02:09 PM
LCCs do well everywhere.LY is quite a small airline, and if done properly (ie, none of the legacy overhead), may be able to succeed.
LCCs run by big airlines do not.
But it's LY we're talking about...
Post by: Bp on November 26, 2013, 02:06:40 PM
LY is quite a small airline, and if done properly (ie, none of the legacy overhead), may be able to succeed.there main draw is there legacy overhead,crazy security etc.. they don't offer anything else as far as hard product and service.
But it's LY we're talking about...
Post by: Drago on November 26, 2013, 02:09:38 PM
they don't offer anything else as far as hard product and service.The other LLC's are much to sneeze at either.
If LY could compete on price, than many ppl would prefer to fly them to support the flag.
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 26, 2013, 02:17:49 PM
LY thinks they can succeed where CO, DL, and UA failed miserably?They wouldn't even know that other airlines tried and failed.
That's cute.
LY is quite a small airline, and if done properly (ie, none of the legacy overhead), may be able to succeed.They lowered the price without lowering the cost structure it's just a big joke.
But it's LY we're talking about...
Post by: Dan on November 26, 2013, 02:18:54 PM
They wouldn't even know that other airlines tried and failed.alol!
Post by: Drago on November 26, 2013, 02:20:29 PM
And that's why they won't compete till they can shed their union costs. But I don't think that even a bankruptcy would help w/ those.
They lowered the price without lowering the cost structure it's just a big joke.
Post by: shimino1 on November 26, 2013, 03:48:11 PM
Post by: 972sg212 on November 26, 2013, 04:18:15 PM
(http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000896893&fid=1725)
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 26, 2013, 05:04:22 PM
I read in one newspaper that elal is also thinking of puting out a credit card, anyone know about this?They're trying to do it, yes.
Post by: Drago on November 27, 2013, 07:39:36 AM
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/el-al-matmid/1519205-el-al-launch-low-cost-flights-europe-3.html
Post by: Jkhein on December 05, 2013, 09:04:05 AM
Post by: Drago on December 18, 2013, 04:46:05 AM
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/175243#.UrFt5NIW0fQ
Post by: travel agent on December 18, 2013, 07:56:31 AM
Post by: jaywhy on December 18, 2013, 07:57:16 AM
Post by: Drago on December 18, 2013, 08:47:55 AM
Turkey signed today an agreement to allow Israeli airlines to fly to Turkeylink?
Post by: chucksterace on December 18, 2013, 09:31:47 AM
link?
GIYF - But since I am in a good mood..
http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000902690
http://www.timesofisrael.com/after-six-year-hiatus-israeli-planes-to-fly-to-turkey-again/
Post by: Drago on December 18, 2013, 10:29:17 AM
http://airlineroute.net/2013/12/18/wu-lwo-s14update2/
Post by: Drago on December 25, 2013, 08:21:08 AM
http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000904407
Gonna drive LY outta biz soon...
Post by: hocker on December 26, 2013, 02:52:20 PM
Post by: Drago on December 26, 2013, 03:12:13 PM
Wizz Air to/from LvivAnd now to Sofia as well.
http://airlineroute.net/2013/12/18/wu-lwo-s14update2/
It's a real pity that they charge an arm and leg to check a bag.
Post by: Jkhein on December 26, 2013, 03:13:30 PM
Any LCC for TLV-BRU (or close by)Yes, jetairfly.com TLV-LGG
Post by: Dan on December 26, 2013, 03:14:53 PM
Gonna drive LY outta biz soon...Obviously Israel values having more tourists over having a flag carrier.
Post by: Drago on December 26, 2013, 03:19:36 PM
Obviously Israel values having more tourists over having a flag carrier.LY will never go under due to their political power. But until they undergo a well needed restructuring, they're gonna struggle.
I'd enjoy meeting ELY001 on FT. Seems like he's part of an ownership grp trying to put in a bid.
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 30, 2013, 07:20:39 PM
Vienna for under 200 bucks ain't bad. :)
Post by: chucksterace on December 31, 2013, 02:49:07 AM
Today (December 31) only - El Al "Fun Day" sale: a one-day sale on TLV-Europe flights: http://www.elal.co.il/ELAL/Hebrew/Deals/Deals/Campaigns_items/He_ELAL_Fun_Day_Campaign_261213.htm
Vienna for under 200 bucks ain't bad. :)
$300 to Milan. Bookable on Orbitz and this is a good way for me to spend my Orbitz voucher. Thanks El Al. Hello Milan.
Ps. Good thing I got that Platinum Status
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 31, 2013, 09:48:24 AM
$300 to Milan. Bookable on Orbitz and this is a good way for me to spend my Orbitz voucher. Thanks El Al. Hello Milan.
Ps. Good thing I got that Platinum Status
Bookable via me, too. :P
Here's the English link: http://www.elal.co.il/ELAL/English/SpecialOffers/SpecialOffers_items/En_ELAL_Fun_Day_Campaign_261213.htm
Post by: chucksterace on December 31, 2013, 10:34:48 AM
Bookable via me, too. :P
Here's the English link: http://www.elal.co.il/ELAL/English/SpecialOffers/SpecialOffers_items/En_ELAL_Fun_Day_Campaign_261213.htm
But I dont think you would have taken my Orbitz voucher. Already heard back from them and they are crediting my CC the $250 the voucher was for. $50 ticket. Thank you Orbitz.
Post by: chucksterace on January 06, 2014, 06:15:35 AM
Today (December 31) only - El Al "Fun Day" sale: a one-day sale on TLV-Europe flights: http://www.elal.co.il/ELAL/Hebrew/Deals/Deals/Campaigns_items/He_ELAL_Fun_Day_Campaign_261213.htm
Vienna for under 200 bucks ain't bad. :)
They are having this Sale again tomorrow January 7th for One-Day Only (again).
English link - http://www.elal.co.il/ELAL/English/SpecialOffers/SpecialOffers_items/En_ELAL_Fun_Day_Campaign_261213.htm
Post by: Drago on January 06, 2014, 07:11:17 AM
Post by: harrym on January 09, 2014, 03:53:06 PM
This isn't ex-TLV, but I see that Turkish started flights to KTM (Nepal).Is that the best way to go TLV - KTM, and are there any other options
40k RT in economy w/ UA miles.
Post by: Drago on January 09, 2014, 04:13:50 PM
Is that the best way to go TLV - KTM, and are there any other optionsChk out all the carriers who fly there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribhuvan_International_Airport
IST is the most direct, or at least it appears that way.
Post by: harrym on January 09, 2014, 04:40:34 PM
Chk out all the carriers who fly there.Thanks, though I never heard of most of those airlines ever knew of United Airways ???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribhuvan_International_Airport
IST is the most direct, or at least it appears that way.
and thanks for all of your other posts on this thread, very useful, lots of cool things can be done from TLV in J on the cheap
Post by: Drago on January 09, 2014, 04:49:09 PM
Thanks, though I never heard of most of those airlines ever knew of United Airways ???Your other option would be to route through AMM and either DOH or AUH, but I'm unsure if there's a published routing, and if there isn't, you'd need to use an AA explorer award.
and thanks for all of your other posts on this thread, very useful, lots of cool things can be done from TLV in J on the cheap
Post by: harrym on January 09, 2014, 05:11:15 PM
Your other option would be to route through AMM and either DOH or AUH, but I'm unsure if there's a published routing, and if there isn't, you'd need to use an AA explorer award.Qatar is already bookable on OW?
and how would routing go through AUH didn't know Etihad was part of OW
and third if it is published routing then how many AA miles RT in J
Post by: Drago on January 09, 2014, 11:46:13 PM
Qatar is already bookable on OW?Qatar is, but only over the phone.
and how would routing go through AUH didn't know Etihad was part of OW
and third if it is published routing then how many AA miles RT in J
Etihad is a partner of AA.
If published, then it's per their chart.
http://www.aa.com/i18n/disclaimers/aadvantageAllPartnerChart.jsp#1
50k RT in J. Amazing value.
Post by: gdam on January 10, 2014, 12:04:24 PM
Is that the best way to go TLV - KTM, and are there any other options
The best option is TLV-BOM-KTM or TLV-AMM-DEL-KTM for 17K/25K AA
Post by: harrym on January 11, 2014, 12:49:24 PM
The best option is TLV-BOM-KTM or TLV-AMM-DEL-KTM for 17K/25K AAhow are you getting from BOM - KTM?
Post by: Drago on January 11, 2014, 12:51:56 PM
The best option is TLV-BOM-KTM or TLV-AMM-DEL-KTM for 17K/25K AAHow are you flying BOM/DEL-KTM w/ One World?
Post by: gdam on January 12, 2014, 01:21:52 AM
Not oneworld , but AA partner
Post by: Drago on January 12, 2014, 01:43:52 AM
9WDoes LY have a published routing if you route via BOM?
Not oneworld , but AA partner
And is their website the only way to chk award availability?
Post by: gdam on January 12, 2014, 04:53:56 AM
Does LY have a published routing if you route via BOM?
And is their website the only way to chk award availability?
I succesfully booked TLV-BOM-DEL-KTM and KTM-BOM-TLV with AA miles , so i guess there is a published routing.
You can check their website but you need an active account with at least two activities. The other way is to call AA to check for 9W.
Post by: Drago on January 12, 2014, 05:17:00 AM
I succesfully booked TLV-BOM-DEL-KTM and KTM-BOM-TLV with AA miles , so i guess there is a published routing.Is their J any good? Or just middle seat closed off for these short hauls?
You can check their website but you need an active account with at least two activities. The other way is to call AA to check for 9W.
Post by: Drago on January 16, 2014, 10:45:16 AM
http://www.interaksyon.com/business/78372/cebu-pacific-seeks-flag-carrier-status-for-flights-to-israel
LY would also be interested in the route.
Post by: moish on January 19, 2014, 11:57:50 AM
Easy Jet to CDG.not happening
http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000904407
Gonna drive LY outta biz soon...
http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000909660
Post by: Got a clue on January 20, 2014, 12:32:54 PM
they pull alot of shtick with airlines, and many of the times it gets cancelled a day before the flight, you are left without a ticket, luxus will not help you. My advice from experience, is to keep far away from them.
Anybody book with them???
Post by: Got a clue on January 20, 2014, 12:35:15 PM
Post by: Drago on January 20, 2014, 01:23:39 PM
Anybody book with them???
As you quoted, JKhein wrote about them. Not enough of a warning?
Post by: Got a clue on January 20, 2014, 01:47:04 PM
Post by: Jkhein on January 20, 2014, 02:01:18 PM
Fly Luxus that is.. they are quoting me prices $300 less then everyone elsestay away you have a big chance of coming to the flight and not being allowed on
Post by: Got a clue on January 20, 2014, 02:02:44 PM
Post by: Drago on January 20, 2014, 02:15:16 PM
What does that even mean?I have no personal experience, but I do know that a travel agent's margin isn't over $300 and that he wouldn't have special access to rates that low. So if he's able to undercut the market so much, then I'd imagine there's s/t strange going on.
Post by: AharonInIsrael on January 23, 2014, 06:28:35 PM
It doesn't seem like there are any direct routes, and even the ones with a stopover (via ITA) are a bit pricey- in the $600 range.
Post by: AharonInIsrael on January 25, 2014, 03:36:52 PM
Anyone ever fly from TLV to one of DUB, EDI or GLA (I think I got all those right :) )?BUMPity BUMP
It doesn't seem like there are any direct routes, and even the ones with a stopover (via ITA) are a bit pricey- in the $600 range.
Post by: Drago on January 25, 2014, 03:39:22 PM
BUMPity BUMPIf those are the prices, why not use miles?
Also, did you check different legs sep? Maybe EasyJet to London, and then Avios, or s/t similar?
Post by: AharonInIsrael on January 25, 2014, 03:41:07 PM
If those are the prices, why not use miles?I didn't check different legs or the discount carriers. I'll try that. Thanks!
Also, did you check different legs sep? Maybe EasyJet to London, and then Avios, or s/t similar?
Post by: Drago on January 27, 2014, 04:24:07 AM
http://sfotlv.org/
Post by: Dan on January 27, 2014, 08:39:47 AM
Post by: Moishebatchy on January 27, 2014, 08:53:34 AM
Post by: smart brit on January 27, 2014, 08:56:30 AM
Any advice for TLV-GIB? Seems like a surprisingly impractical route to fly, unless I'm missing something.You are missing something!
As the Spanish are fighting the brits on Gibraltar the Spanish won't allows anyone to land in gib other than flights originating in the UK.
Ps you could fly into Agp (malga) and drive up to gib
Post by: Moishebatchy on January 27, 2014, 09:00:02 AM
You are missing something!
As the Spanish are fighting the brits on Gibraltar the Spanish won't allows anyone to land in gib other than flights originating in the UK.
Yeah, that much I noticed - but it seems like a overnight stop is required in each direction, plus prices are $1800 per person... in coach. :o
Even with Matrix set to not check for available seats, it shows that he lowest possible price would still be over $800. What gives?!
Post by: smart brit on January 27, 2014, 10:06:58 AM
Yeah, that much I noticed - but it seems like a overnight stop is required in each direction, plus prices are $1800 per person... in coach. :oba has a flight leaving from LHR 10:10am so getting that flight you would need overnight in London.
There are options with easy jet too
Post by: smart brit on January 27, 2014, 10:08:31 AM
Did you check flying to Agp? (it's a hour drive)
Post by: efflpetzel on January 28, 2014, 12:21:59 AM
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4478938,00.html
Post by: smart brit on January 28, 2014, 12:46:29 AM
El Al adding 12 flights to Londonhopefully that will bring prices down a little
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4478938,00.html
Post by: Drago on January 28, 2014, 01:47:50 AM
El Al adding 12 flights to LondonAccording to someone on FT, they do this each year. They add on the flights in the summer, start removing them over the winter, and then announce a bunch more flights for the next summer.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4478938,00.html
But in reality, there isn't much new to it.
Post by: AharonInIsrael on January 28, 2014, 06:38:44 AM
If those are the prices, why not use miles?Even the discount carriers are fairly pricey. I'm starting to think it's best to use AA miles (instead of BA Avios, which would mean a high fuel charge).
Also, did you check different legs sep? Maybe EasyJet to London, and then Avios, or s/t similar?
Thanks!
Post by: Drago on January 28, 2014, 07:15:07 AM
Even the discount carriers are fairly pricey. I'm starting to think it's best to use AA miles (instead of BA Avios, which would mean a high fuel charge).AB and Niki don't fly there? You could avoid YQ w/ them, although you'd have to pay for each leg sep.
Thanks!
Post by: AharonInIsrael on January 28, 2014, 08:45:15 AM
Post by: Drago on January 28, 2014, 09:21:47 AM
How likely is it to miss the connection doing that, and are airlines usuallyhelpf ul in such situations?You could book it all on 1 ticket if BA lets you. It's just a connecting leg.
Post by: smart brit on January 28, 2014, 10:38:37 AM
You could book it all on 1 ticket if BA lets you. It's just a connecting leg.And on aa
Post by: Drago on January 28, 2014, 11:37:24 AM
And on aacorrect, but depending on your AA valuation, BA might be a better play.
Post by: Drago on February 04, 2014, 01:07:34 AM
http://boardingarea.com/pointmetotheplane/2014/02/03/american-facing-new-lawsuits-in-israel-flight-plans-from-jfk-miami-to-tlv/
Post by: Moishebatchy on February 04, 2014, 03:15:21 PM
Post by: Drago on February 04, 2014, 03:18:42 PM
If someone needs to fly from TLV to London for one day (for a wedding or something), what would be the best mileage program for that?Why should a day be different than s/t longer?
Maybe chk flying BA using IB miles to see if it drops some of the YQ.
Otherwise, maybe EasyJet can help out, at least for one direction if not RT.
Post by: Moishebatchy on February 04, 2014, 03:25:45 PM
Why should a day be different than s/t longer?
To head off useless suggestions like "just look for an El Al winter sale ticket!" and such.
Thanks for the advice. Anyone else have any other suggestions?
Post by: Jkhein on February 04, 2014, 05:29:57 PM
To head off useless suggestions like "just look for an El Al winter sale ticket!" and such.your best option is avios to LHR for 12.5k miles and $57 taxes, returning with easyjet, as Drago said
Thanks for the advice. Anyone else have any other suggestions?
Post by: Moishebatchy on February 04, 2014, 06:02:39 PM
I'm guessing that YQ is only outrageous ex-LHR...?
Post by: jaywhy on February 04, 2014, 11:14:19 PM
Thanks!YQ + APD
I'm guessing that YQ is only outrageous ex-LHR...?
Post by: Drago on February 04, 2014, 11:18:01 PM
Thanks!Chk it, but I recall that it wasn't so terrible, although there's the additional LHR fees which you have to pay which bumps it up.
I'm guessing that YQ is only outrageous ex-LHR...?
You've also gotta ensure that there's seats since they don't always appear to be open.
Post by: Jkhein on February 05, 2014, 01:04:40 AM
Thanks!yup
I'm guessing that YQ is only outrageous ex-LHR...?
Post by: chucksterace on February 05, 2014, 09:07:51 AM
(http://images1.ynet.co.il/PicServer3/2014/02/04/5137348/51373390100097874429no.jpg)
Post by: AharonInIsrael on September 21, 2014, 07:26:13 AM
One example: Feb 8-11 to Barcelona at 5.9 cpm ($226.12) in P class (I think that's most likely only really helpful for crediting to Aegean itself, but you might be interested in that)
Post by: Drago on September 21, 2014, 07:36:27 AM
Not sure if anyone is interested, but I've been seeing cheap Aegean fares that end up in Greece, Spain and Italy.Thx! Where are you searching?
One example: Feb 8-11 to Barcelona at 5.9 cpm ($226.12) in P class (I think that's most likely only really helpful for crediting to Aegean itself, but you might be interested in that)
FYI, Ethiopian is adding in 9 more weekly flights.
Post by: AharonInIsrael on September 21, 2014, 07:50:09 AM
Thx! Where are you searching?You're welcome!
FYI, Ethiopian is adding in 9 more weekly flights.
I've been using kayak explore and then looking up more details on ita.
Where does Ethiopian continue to?
Post by: Drago on September 21, 2014, 07:53:05 AM
You're welcome!Lots of places, including SEZ, S. Africa, Europe, USA, etc.
I've been using kayak explore and then looking up more details on ita.
Where does Ethiopian continue to?
See this post.
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=18280.msg923819#msg923819
Post by: AharonInIsrael on September 21, 2014, 12:26:00 PM
Lots of places, including SEZ, S. Africa, Europe, USA, etc.Interesting! Thanks
See this post.
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=18280.msg923819#msg923819
Post by: Drago on September 23, 2014, 04:59:47 AM
Post by: sruly101 on September 23, 2014, 05:02:26 AM
EasyJet has a bunch of sub $120 fares RT in December and other months.Destination?
Post by: AsherO on September 23, 2014, 05:58:05 AM
Destination?
Presumably tlv-London.
Post by: Drago on September 23, 2014, 06:26:10 AM
Destination?Oops. Geneva, Milan.
Post by: Drago on September 28, 2014, 03:04:05 AM
That means that TLV-ATH (or elsewhere in Greece) would price out at 14k RT?
http://www.newmilesandbonus.com/en#how-you-spend-miles
And the rest of Europe would be a good value as well.
Post by: ilherman on September 28, 2014, 03:08:21 AM
Post by: Drago on September 28, 2014, 03:30:26 AM
Is TLV-ATH called domestic?No. The 8x is for their international flights. You have to scroll over.
Post by: harrym on September 28, 2014, 03:57:37 AM
Seems like Aegean's new chart will charge award redemptions on their metal by the distance flown, w/ a 7k min.Their best value still is OW on *A in J 45k TLV to North America, or 60k in first about a third of what UA charges but they don't allow mixed cabin bookings.
That means that TLV-ATH (or elsewhere in Greece) would price out at 14k RT?
http://www.newmilesandbonus.com/en#how-you-spend-miles
And the rest of Europe would be a good value as well.
Post by: chucksterace on October 11, 2014, 08:28:45 PM
Not bad for people scheduled on that flight.
Post by: Mordy788 on October 11, 2014, 08:41:27 PM
Seems like LOT is flying the 787 TLV-WAW on Oct 19, next sunday. As well as Monday, Oct. 20
Not bad for people scheduled on that flight.
High Loads.
I heard great things about that Aircraft.
Post by: chucksterace on October 11, 2014, 08:43:34 PM
High Loads.
I heard great things about that Aircraft.
Wont surprise me. The first two days after Chag.
And yes, having flown it I can say it actually is a great aircraft, quiet, spacious, and the windows DO make a big difference
Post by: chucksterace on October 11, 2014, 09:02:22 PM
Post by: Drago on October 12, 2014, 01:50:27 PM
On another note, TK is flying mostly A330 next week. Usually they fly a mix between 737, A320, A321, A330, but most of the days next week look like A330sI got it on all 4 legs of TLV-MLE, including the return IST-TLV where it was just my wife and I w/ 2 other ppl.
Great hard product.
Post by: chucksterace on October 12, 2014, 03:15:41 PM
I got it on all 4 legs of TLV-MLE, including the return IST-TLV where it was just my wife and I w/ 2 other ppl.
Great hard product.
Were you on the -200 or -300 series?
Post by: Drago on October 12, 2014, 03:21:08 PM
Were you on the -200 or -300 series?I think it was 300
Post by: chucksterace on October 12, 2014, 03:30:49 PM
I think it was 300
Flatbed or no? -200 is angled business, -300 is flatbed business
Post by: Drago on October 12, 2014, 03:37:21 PM
Flatbed or no? -200 is angled business, -300 is flatbed businessflat bed
same product they have on IST-MLE
Post by: chff on October 13, 2014, 03:42:54 AM
Post by: miles lover on October 13, 2014, 09:32:49 AM
Post by: Drago on October 13, 2014, 09:49:42 AM
Im thinking of booking a flight from tlv to nyc on elal for late winter with aa miles. I would deff want to get a free flight to lax or hnl or something but I cant leave within 24 hrs. Does anyone know a way around ? Maybe after they take off elal I can switch the date for the second leg but the first one will automatically stay ???If that works, i'd be quite pleased
For now, assume not.
You can always book to HNL, and if it doesn't work out, just get off in NYC when you collect your bags.
That's my plan on my TLV-LAX-SEA-KOA flight.
Post by: Drago on October 16, 2014, 02:58:43 PM
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/british-airways-executive-club/1620948-no-f-tlv-starting-s15-increased-frequency.html
Air Europa having 3x weekly service from MAD. (I think they're skyteam. Maybe they'll have award availablity)
Post by: Drago on November 10, 2014, 02:44:42 PM
Also,
Direct Flights will Facilitate Growing Ties between Israel & New England
The Consulate General of Israel to New England is pleased to announce that an agreement was reached between El Al and Massport for direct flights to Tel Aviv. Consul General of Israel, Mr. Yehuda Yaakov, remarked on this achievement, "Direct flights pave the way for a further strengthening of Israel-US ties, both economically and culturally. We look forward to seeing many more of our New England friends exploring firsthand our diverse society and rich history." El Al will conduct direct flights from Boston's Logan Airport to Ben Gurion Airport beginning this summer.
Post by: efflpetzel on November 10, 2014, 05:09:40 PM
http://www.timesofisrael.com/budget-airline-looks-at-european-flights-to-eilat/I don't see the attraction for airlines to fly there until:
A) they finally build a normal airport just outside Eilat
B) Israel pumps some serious money into Eilat hotels, infrastructure, beaches.
there are way better places for a tourist in Europe to go than Eilat
Post by: Drago on November 10, 2014, 05:16:21 PM
I don't see the attraction for airlines to fly there until:They signed off on building a second international airport down there recently.
A) they finally build a normal airport just outside Eilat
And a Chinese company won a tender to build a railroad from Eilat to Tel Aviv'ish.
Post by: efflpetzel on November 10, 2014, 05:23:58 PM
They signed off on building a second international airport down there recently.I know that, but realistically these projects wont be operational for a good 5 years at a minimum
And a Chinese company won a tender to build a railroad from Eilat to Tel Aviv'ish.
Post by: Drago on November 11, 2014, 12:56:42 AM
I know that, but realistically these projects wont be operational for a good 5 years at a minimumYou're quite optimistic w/ your 5 year horizon. :)
Post by: efflpetzel on November 11, 2014, 01:50:17 PM
You're quite optimistic w/ your 5 year horizon. :)indeed, & that's exactly why I can't see any international airlines flying there in the near future
Post by: efflpetzel on November 22, 2014, 07:24:49 PM
indeed, & that's exactly why I can't see any international airlines flying there in the near future& yet look how wrong I am :)
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4594244,00.html
Post by: sky121 on November 22, 2014, 08:39:58 PM
Post by: efflpetzel on November 24, 2014, 07:33:36 PM
HU is to start flying the PEK-TLV route,
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4595641,00.html
Post by: smart brit on November 24, 2014, 08:18:10 PM
Post by: Yaalili on November 24, 2014, 08:26:26 PM
Finally some competition with LY to Asia
HU is to start flying the PEK-TLV route,
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4595641,00.html
Nice, it will be TLV's first skytrax 5 star airline.
Post by: chff on November 24, 2014, 09:55:00 PM
Finally some competition with LY to Asia
HU is to start flying the PEK-TLV route,
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4595641,00.html
I posted this a while back
@winglets747 - Hainan's route wish list for 2015: LAX, Manchester, Montreal, Oakland, SFO, JFK, LHR, Tel Aviv & Nairobi. Expect only a few to be approved
Post by: SamKey on November 25, 2014, 02:55:24 AM
Finally some competition with LY to AsiaThis should be bookable on AA, correct?
HU is to start flying the PEK-TLV route,
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4595641,00.html
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 25, 2014, 04:20:04 AM
TLV's first skytrax 5The only difference between them and LY is that they care enough to bribe someone at SkyTrax
Post by: Yaalili on November 25, 2014, 05:12:54 AM
The only difference between them and LY is that they care enough to bribe someone at SkyTrax
Don't know about Hainan specifically. But would you really say that airlines like CX and SQ had to bribe to get their rating? Their product speaks for itself. LY has great safety, but they lack everywhere else.
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 25, 2014, 05:28:15 AM
Post by: damaxer91 on November 25, 2014, 07:10:39 AM
The only difference between them and LY is that they care enough to bribe someone at SkyTrax
ALOL
Post by: Dan on November 25, 2014, 09:02:02 AM
This should be bookable on AA, correct?With miles?
In your dreams.
Post by: Emkay on December 22, 2014, 07:29:44 AM
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 22, 2014, 08:00:52 AM
what my best (read cheapest) option to fly to VCE from TLV?
A3, if you can get it in P class.
Post by: Emkay on December 22, 2014, 08:28:34 AM
A3, if you can get it in P class.with miles or revenue?
Post by: Emkay on December 22, 2014, 08:31:34 AM
A3, if you can get it in P class.and they don't start flying to VCE until 5/10
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 22, 2014, 08:38:12 AM
with miles or revenue?
Revenue. One-way TLV-VCE, for example:
Post by: Emkay on December 22, 2014, 08:39:37 AM
Revenue. One-way TLV-VCE, for example:how do i find that, let alone book it?
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 22, 2014, 08:39:49 AM
and they don't start flying to VCE until 5/10
I don't seem to recall you specifying a date.
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 22, 2014, 08:40:57 AM
how do i find that, let alone book it?
Matrix. In the advanced routing codes box, you type A3+ / f bc=p.
Post by: Emkay on December 22, 2014, 08:45:55 AM
Matrix. In the advanced routing codes box, you type A3+ / f bc=p.everytime i use matrix i grow another white hair, for example now. what the heck is "QPX Warning. Illegal faring spec: missing Boolean connective"?
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 22, 2014, 08:53:10 AM
everytime i use matrix i grow another white hair, for example now. what the heck is "QPX Warning. Illegal faring spec: missing Boolean connective"?
Dunno. Try unchecking "Only show flights and prices with available seats" for now, just so you get a feel for it (see screenshot).
While we're at it... it's unlikely you'll find P, so here's your next tip: it appears that A3's economy booking classes are Y, B, M, H, Q, V, W, O, L, K, J, E, S, T, U, and P. So start with A3+ / f bc=p, and then change the p to u, then t, etc. until you find something.
Post by: Emkay on December 22, 2014, 08:55:53 AM
I don't seem to recall you specifying a date.that is correct, though the day i plan a trip so far ahead will be the day grow horns
Post by: Emkay on December 22, 2014, 08:57:37 AM
Dunno. Try unchecking "Only show flights and prices with available seats" for now, just so you get a feel for it (see screenshot).thanks so much
While we're at it... it's unlikely you'll find P, so here's your next tip: it appears that A3's economy booking classes are Y, B, M, H, Q, V, W, O, L, K, J, E, S, T, U, and P. So start with A3+ / f bc=p, and then change the p to u, then t, etc. until you find something.
Post by: Emkay on December 22, 2014, 09:05:52 AM
Revenue. One-way TLV-VCE, for example:what date was that example you showed me? also i cant seem to find a flight under 300 RT which is way above my budget for flights to europe
Post by: Moishebatchy on December 22, 2014, 11:16:33 AM
what date was that example you showed me? also i cant seem to find a flight under 300 RT which is way above my budget for flights to europe
Irrelevant. The one I posted is not bookable anyway; it's the Sabre equivalent of unchecking "Only show flights and prices with available seats" in Matrix. I just picked a random date in August to show you what's theoretically possible.
Post by: Emkay on December 22, 2014, 11:29:52 AM
Irrelevant. The one I posted is not bookable anyway; it's the Sabre equivalent of unchecking "Only show flights and prices with available seats" in Matrix. I just picked a random date in August to show you what's theoretically possible.i hear. any other ideas as this isnt working for me. cant find avail dates. are there any good award redemptions to italy?
Post by: Drago on December 22, 2014, 01:09:21 PM
i hear. any other ideas as this isnt working for me. cant find avail dates. are there any good award redemptions to italy?Aegean miles have some good rates for direct flights.
See here.
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=18280.msg926442#msg926442
Post by: Emkay on December 22, 2014, 01:46:42 PM
Aegean miles have some good rates for direct flights.thanks, i cant for the life of me figure out how to book an award flight on their site, where do i find that option?
See here.
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=18280.msg926442#msg926442
Post by: Drago on December 22, 2014, 01:51:34 PM
thanks, i cant for the life of me figure out how to book an award flight on their site, where do i find that option?I don't have any experience w/ that.
Maybe this will help?
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/aegean-airlines-miles-bonus/1338993-faq-no-1-aegean-miles-bonus-all-you-need-know.html
Post by: Emkay on December 22, 2014, 01:54:52 PM
I don't have any experience w/ that.thanks, i figured it out, i have to request it through a form, this is ridiculous
Maybe this will help?
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/aegean-airlines-miles-bonus/1338993-faq-no-1-aegean-miles-bonus-all-you-need-know.html
Post by: Drago on December 31, 2014, 03:43:31 AM
Post by: Emkay on December 31, 2014, 03:50:40 AM
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-easyjet-to-launch-tel-aviv-paris-flights-1000993822this is very good for going to morocco from TLV
Post by: Drago on December 31, 2014, 03:51:40 AM
this is very good for going to morocco from TLVwhat's the cheapest way to continue to Morocco?
Post by: Emkay on December 31, 2014, 05:30:24 AM
what's the cheapest way to continue to Morocco?assuming you will be going out in paris and airport changes are fine Ryanair from BVA to RAK can be as low as $25 OW
Post by: Emkay on December 31, 2014, 07:26:37 AM
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-easyjet-to-launch-tel-aviv-paris-flights-1000993822also it seems that there is no availability with prices anywhere near that. seems the cheapest is around 100 euro OW so an alternate decent option would be TLV- MXP-CMN on easyjet or TLV-BGY-RAK on Ryanair
Post by: chucksterace on January 09, 2015, 04:12:43 PM
http://m.bbc.com/news/business-30754232
Post by: moish on January 10, 2015, 02:00:44 PM
Post by: Drago on January 11, 2015, 02:57:32 AM
UP generally has fares for $70 one way$140 RT?
Post by: Emkay on January 11, 2015, 03:03:51 AM
$140 RT?or cheaper
Post by: tavster on January 12, 2015, 11:35:51 AM
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-hainan-airlines-to-launch-tel-aviv-beijing-route-1001000201
Post by: chucksterace on January 12, 2015, 01:38:32 PM
New Tel Aviv-Beijing route in Sept with Hainan.
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-hainan-airlines-to-launch-tel-aviv-beijing-route-1001000201
Old news -
Finally some competition with LY to Asia
HU is to start flying the PEK-TLV route,
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4595641,00.html
Post by: Kabrams1618 on January 19, 2015, 10:24:13 AM
I also have usair britishair and united points if awards are possible.
Post by: Emkay on January 19, 2015, 10:28:20 AM
What is the cheapest way to fly tel aviv to thessoloniki greece at the end of feb beginning of march.Awards will 99% of the time be more expensive.
I also have usair britishair and united points if awards are possible.
RT or OW?
Post by: Kabrams1618 on January 19, 2015, 10:31:20 AM
We are looking for a thursday to sunday
Post by: Kabrams1618 on January 19, 2015, 10:35:28 AM
Post by: Emkay on January 19, 2015, 12:09:36 PM
What do you mean awards will be more expensive. Because of fees. Which airlines should be lookatsince the value of the miles is usually above the price is booked revenue
Post by: Emkay on January 19, 2015, 12:26:35 PM
Round trip.Are you flexible?Europe is very cheap but that usually entails being flexible.the cheapest carriers direct to Greece are usually Aegean and Up. if your looking to get there as cheap as possible then your best bet is probably to fly to Athens and back from Thessaloniki for around $160 and then take a short flight to Thessaloniki (Ryanair flies that route and is usually around $25 as well as Aegean who usually is around $50)
We are looking for a thursday to sunday
on a side note can i ask, is there a specific reason for Thessaloniki? since it is slightly underwhelming when you have the rest of Greece.
Post by: Kabrams1618 on January 19, 2015, 10:06:58 PM
Any suggestions on location would be appreciated.
Post by: Emkay on January 20, 2015, 02:49:33 AM
and be able to stay at a hyattthat pretty much narrows it down to Thessaloniki or Milan. Though my particular service i had in the Hyatt in Thessaloniki was the best i experienced in any hyatt, IMO its not worth going there over the other places just since you have the free nights. for me it got old in a day
Post by: Moishebatchy on January 20, 2015, 03:50:54 AM
Post by: Emkay on January 20, 2015, 04:17:04 AM
I need to get a small, very important package from Venice to Israel, ASAP. What is the absolute physically cheapest possible way to make the trip (either originating in Israel, so I can pick it up; or originating in Venice, so I can bribe someone from there to bring it here)? No baggage, no frills, no EQMs or whatever - just round-trip travel, zehu. Any ideas?Fly via Milan and take the 9 euro 2 1/2 train
Post by: shimino1 on January 20, 2015, 05:14:34 AM
I need to get a small, very important package from Venice to Israel, ASAP. What is the absolute physically cheapest possible way to make the trip (either originating in Israel, so I can pick it up; or originating in Venice, so I can bribe someone from there to bring it here)? No baggage, no frills, no EQMs or whatever - just round-trip travel, zehu. Any ideas?10k avios OW.
Also try checking last minute deals on Daka 90, Guliver, Israir etc'.
Post by: shimino1 on January 20, 2015, 05:16:25 AM
10k avios OW.Sorry, I was thinking of Viena, my bad.
Post by: Emkay on January 20, 2015, 05:24:03 AM
Sorry, I was thinking of Viena, my bad.I was in the process of writing how wrong you are, and now it's all in vain
Post by: shimino1 on January 20, 2015, 08:01:55 AM
I was in the process of writing how wrong you are, and now it's all in vainEvil laugh.....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And now, I shall take over the world!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Emkay on February 08, 2015, 07:02:28 AM
Post by: AharonInIsrael on February 08, 2015, 12:25:06 PM
whats my best option for points to Norway? specifically TLV-TOSAccording to http://www.economicalexcursionists.com/travelTools/, the best option would be Avianca (20k Y; 35k J) with a stop in Stockholm (flying SK to ARN and then KF (?) Blue1 to TOS). You could fly the same route using United miles, but it would be 25k and 45k.
However, other websites aren't showing a two-flight combination that way, so I'm not really sure if it's a possible routing any more. OpenFlights and OptiFly both say that only Norwegian Air Shuttle flies direct TLV-ARN.
Post by: Emkay on February 08, 2015, 12:46:04 PM
According to http://www.economicalexcursionists.com/travelTools/, the best option would be Avianca (20k Y; 35k J) with a stop in Stockholm (flying SK to ARN and then KF (?) Blue1 to TOS). You could fly the same route using United miles, but it would be 25k and 45k.forgot about that site, love it.
However, other websites aren't showing a two-flight combination that way, so I'm not really sure if it's a possible routing any more. OpenFlights and OptiFly both say that only Norwegian Air Shuttle flies direct TLV-ARN.
on avianca its pricing out at 24000 for TLV-IST-OSL-TOS
Post by: AharonInIsrael on February 08, 2015, 12:53:03 PM
forgot about that site, love it.Yeah, looks like they haven't yet updated Avianca's Oct. changes:
on avianca its pricing out at 24000 for TLV-IST-OSL-TOS
https://www.lifemiles.com/eng/inc/starredawards.aspx
Post by: Emkay on February 08, 2015, 12:59:07 PM
OpenFlights and OptiFly both say that only Norwegian Air Shuttle flies direct TLV-ARN.i was playing around with optifly just now and it didn't seem to be entirely accurate
Post by: AharonInIsrael on February 25, 2015, 04:56:28 AM
Post by: ranhan429 on February 25, 2015, 05:29:53 AM
How can I figure out a list of published routings to take advantage of AA's cheap rates from TLV to elsewhere in the Middle East (MLE, for example), or to Asia?
tlv to mle only 70k UA in J RT
Post by: Myccrabbi on February 25, 2015, 05:52:19 AM
How can I figure out a list of published routings to take advantage of AA's cheap rates from TLV to elsewhere in the Middle East (MLE, for example), or to Asia?Check the wiki http://http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=.0
Post by: D93 on February 25, 2015, 05:58:53 AM
tlv to mle only 70k UA in J RTand 90k UA in F
Post by: ranhan429 on February 25, 2015, 06:02:27 AM
and 90k UA in FIs there even a difference between F and J on this route? I'm flying Turkish in J and I don't think there even is F?
Post by: Moishebatchy on February 25, 2015, 06:20:22 AM
Is there even a difference between F and J on this route? I'm flying Turkish in J and I don't think there even is F?
No F.
Post by: Drago on February 25, 2015, 06:43:23 AM
How can I figure out a list of published routings to take advantage of AA's cheap rates from TLV to elsewhere in the Middle East (MLE, for example), or to Asia?Few options exist.
Basically, RJ, or Qatar. Etihad won't work from TLV
Post by: Drago on February 25, 2015, 06:45:04 AM
Is there even a difference between F and J on this route? I'm flying Turkish in J and I don't think there even is F?It's a good J though
And you might get lucky and get the J long haul product on TLV-IST as well.
Post by: AharonInIsrael on February 25, 2015, 06:51:44 AM
Few options exist.And if I want it to all be one ticket, my first step has to be TLV-AMM, correct?
Basically, RJ, or Qatar. Etihad won't work from TLV
Post by: ranhan429 on February 25, 2015, 07:27:15 AM
It's a good J thoughCan you please expand on what u mean by long haul product? And how I found out if we got one :D??
And you might get lucky and get the J long haul product on TLV-IST as well.
Post by: Drago on February 25, 2015, 07:31:14 AM
Thanks all And if I want it to all be one ticket, my first step has to be TLV-AMM, correct?yup, and that's available in J more than Y.
Can you please expand on what u mean by long haul product? And how I found out if we got one :D??Chk http://seatguru.com/ , but if i remember correctly, it's the A330 which has the nice product. Lie flat, tons of leg room, etc.
Two of the 3 flights we've taken on this route had this product, and the other just had recliner seats.
Post by: moish on February 25, 2015, 07:32:19 AM
Etihad won't work from TLVwhat do you mean by that?
Post by: Moishebatchy on February 25, 2015, 07:47:51 AM
what do you mean by that?
No published routing ex-TLV. You should know that... :D
Post by: ranhan429 on February 25, 2015, 07:49:40 AM
yup, and that's available in J more than Y.
Chk http://seatguru.com/ , but if i remember correctly, it's the A330 which has the nice product. Lie flat, tons of leg room, etc.
Two of the 3 flights we've taken on this route had this product, and the other just had recliner seats.
I did actually check seat guru, but I wasn't sure what the good product was. According to our mileageplus itin, from TLV-IST , IST-MLE, MLE-IST are all A330 (yay!) , the last leg, IST - TLV is an A321. But if the A330 is the good product for this route I am really stoked!!!
ETA: is the type of aircraft written on the itin subject to change?
Post by: Moishebatchy on February 25, 2015, 07:50:14 AM
Post by: Drago on February 25, 2015, 07:51:25 AM
No published routing ex-TLV.+1
Post by: Drago on February 25, 2015, 07:56:10 AM
Where's a good place for a family (with young kids) to go on vacation for a coupla days in August, ex-TLV? Somewhere in Europe, I presume, but I'd welcome some suggestions, as the August weather seems to be oppressive in many of the usual go-to places. Thanks!I'm not great w/ Europe, but Vienna and train rides from there should be a good balance for kids/parents/kosher/distance
Post by: Emkay on February 25, 2015, 08:02:20 AM
Where's a good place for a family (with young kids) to go on vacation for a coupla days in August, ex-TLV? Somewhere in Europe, I presume, but I'd welcome some suggestions, as the August weather seems to be oppressive in many of the usual go-to places. Thanks!Iceland an option?
Post by: Moishebatchy on February 25, 2015, 08:10:26 AM
I'm not great w/ Europe, but Vienna and train rides from there should be a good balance for kids/parents/kosher/distance
Thanks. "Train rides from there" to where, for example?
Post by: Moishebatchy on February 25, 2015, 08:10:51 AM
Iceland an option?
Hmmmmmm... why?
Post by: yare on February 25, 2015, 08:20:19 AM
its stunnng but a pita to get there. unless your kids are into outdoors adventures they'll be bored.
Hmmmmmm... why?
Post by: chff on February 25, 2015, 08:24:41 AM
ETA: is the type of aircraft written on the itin subject to change?
Of course
Post by: ranhan429 on February 25, 2015, 08:55:45 AM
Of course
but but but but but but I wanna be in the good aircraft :'( :'( :'(
Post by: Emkay on February 25, 2015, 09:18:00 AM
its stunnng but a pita to get there. unless your kids are into outdoors adventures they'll be bored.It's known to be very child friendly
Post by: chff on February 25, 2015, 09:23:29 AM
but but but but but but I wanna be in the good aircraft :'( :'( :'(Where is your concern? IST to MLE? Guaranteed you will have a long haul, TLV-IST for 2 hours no need to make a fuzz
Post by: ranhan429 on February 25, 2015, 09:30:11 AM
Where is your concern? IST to MLE? Guaranteed you will have a long haul, TLV-IST for 2 hours no need to make a fuzz
My concern was IST to MLE, don't care about the 2 hours from IST/TLV and TLV/IST. If that's the case then I'm a happy camper ;D
Post by: Drago on February 25, 2015, 10:17:53 AM
Thanks. "Train rides from there" to where, for example?From Vienna to Salzburg, places closer to the Alps, Slovenia, etc.
We did Salzburg for a night, and btw the relaxed town, fotress, and enjoyable train ride, it was very nice.
Post by: moish on February 25, 2015, 10:23:15 AM
No published routing ex-TLV. You should know that... :D
+1
right, but you can still put it on the same ticket with the low mileage (i think that was the point of his question)
Post by: Mech on February 26, 2015, 12:18:37 PM
Post by: Drago on February 26, 2015, 04:16:48 PM
I'm looking into tickets from tlv-fco-vce-tlv from 3/11-3/15. I found on Alitalia for $327. Are there any better options?? I've checked easy jet and there aren't any flights for the times I want. I also have points/ miles but haven't found cheap fares. I've never been to Europe before so I'm not sure where else to look. If anyone has any tips in booking I'd really appreciate it!!@emkay has pointed out that EasyJet to Milan can be cheap, and then take a train to Venice.
Post by: Emkay on February 26, 2015, 04:21:10 PM
I'm looking into tickets from tlv-fco-vce-tlv from 3/11-3/15Why try to do both? How long will you be In each?
Post by: Mech on February 26, 2015, 04:26:21 PM
Why try to do both? How long will you be In each?As I said before I was never there and have this craziness in my head for years to go to Rome and Venice. I know you hate Rome. Leaving Tlv on Wednesday. My stopover there is for 23 hrs 50 minutes. Then going to venice for shabbos. Coming back Sunday morning. I found an all inclusive ticket, which to me made the most sense convenience wise, traveling with a baby. My question is if there is a more economical way to do it?
Post by: Mech on February 26, 2015, 04:27:43 PM
@emkay has pointed out that EasyJet to Milan can be cheap, and then take a train to Venice.I checked easyjet. I'd prefer on mode of transportation. Especially with a baby.
Post by: Emkay on February 26, 2015, 04:33:54 PM
I checked easyjet. I'd prefer on mode of transportation. Especially with a baby.saying you prefer plane to train with a baby? i can tell you never took budget european airlines VS the trains.
i have done both with a baby and i would pick train in a heartbeat. trust me, take as few of these flights as possible with your baby, even if it means forgoing a "craziness" ( or dont,but tell me after how i was right ;D )
Post by: D93 on February 26, 2015, 04:36:55 PM
saying you prefer plane to train with a baby? i can tell you never took budget european airlines VS the trains.+1 about the train. The train ride from Rome to Venice is very enjoyable (I can't comment about the baby part) and you can also stop off in Florence on the way as well.
i have done both with a baby and i would pick train in a heartbeat. trust me, take as few of these flights as possible with your baby, even if it means forgoing a "craziness" ( or dont,but tell me after how i was right ;D )
Post by: Mech on February 26, 2015, 04:39:08 PM
saying you prefer plane to train with a baby? i can tell you never took budget european airlines VS the trains.I would assume it's easier just flying straight into the city than flying into one then going the the train.... How bad is Alitalia already?
i have done both with a baby and i would pick train in a heartbeat. trust me, take as few of these flights as possible with your baby, even if it means forgoing a "craziness" ( or dont,but tell me after how i was right ;D )
Post by: Mech on February 26, 2015, 04:39:55 PM
(I can't comment about the baby part)Key factor my friend!
Post by: Emkay on February 26, 2015, 04:57:54 PM
I would assume it's easier just flying straight into the city than flying into one then going the the train.... How bad is Alitalia already?Your not flying straight into the city. You have a stopover in Rome (both ways?)
Post by: Mech on February 26, 2015, 05:02:24 PM
Your not flying straight into the city. You have a stopover in Rome (both ways?)Correct but stopping for a day in Rome overnight and the way back is 2 hr stop.
I found on easy jet ow for $118 Tlv-fco but can't find a return from vce or mxp-Tlv on sunday
Post by: Emkay on February 26, 2015, 05:04:38 PM
Correct but stopping for a day in Rome overnight and the way back is 2 hr stop.It's all part of the learning experience.
I found on easy jet ow for $118 Tlv-fco but can't find a return from vce or mxp-Tlv on sunday
Waiting patiently for a TR when it's over
Post by: Mech on February 26, 2015, 05:09:19 PM
It's all part of the learning experience.So ur letting me learn the hard way?? I don't mind being convinced to do it ur way it just has to make more sense to me.
Waiting PATIENTLY for a TR when it's overIm very impressed
Post by: AharonInIsrael on March 08, 2015, 09:25:30 AM
right, but you can still put it on the same ticket with the low mileage (i think that was the point of his question)But it would still be two separate awards, no?
Post by: moish on March 08, 2015, 02:16:08 PM
But it would still be two separate awards, no?no, thats precisely my point. i put kul-auh-amm-tlv on same award
Post by: Drago on March 08, 2015, 02:23:07 PM
no, thats precisely my point. i put kul-auh-amm-tlv on same awardSeems like you got lucky, b/c officially, it shouldn't work.
But when you bat your eyelashes, CS reps swoon...
Post by: moish on March 08, 2015, 02:32:38 PM
Seems like you got lucky, b/c officially, it shouldn't work.i have a method thats been working so far...
But when you bat your eyelashes, CS reps swoon...
Post by: AharonInIsrael on March 08, 2015, 02:48:15 PM
i have a method thats been working so far...Care to share? :)
Post by: moish on March 08, 2015, 03:34:31 PM
Post by: SLMYRCB on March 08, 2015, 03:49:56 PM
Care to share? :)
Seems like you got lucky, b/c officially, it shouldn't work.
But when you bat your eyelashes, CS reps swoon...
i have a method thats been working so far...On AA via connections. Why is that complicated? Why shouldn't it work as long as you follow the timing rules (RT or one-way)
Post by: Drago on March 08, 2015, 03:59:45 PM
On AA via connections. Why is that complicated? Why shouldn't it work as long as you follow the timing rules (RT or one-way)Needs to be a published routing.
Etihad doesn't (appear to) publish routings from Israel (although Qatar does).
Post by: SLMYRCB on March 08, 2015, 04:40:18 PM
Needs to be a published routing.He must have called it in. Wouldn't that work?
Etihad doesn't (appear to) publish routings from Israel (although Qatar does).
Post by: Drago on March 08, 2015, 05:56:41 PM
He must have called it in. Wouldn't that work?All Etihad flights have to be called in, so that wouldn't help. They typically have a strong computer system that won't allow these to be ticketed.
Post by: SLMYRCB on March 08, 2015, 06:15:21 PM
(I would hate to hog the thread due to my ignorance. Please direct me to a thread if there is one already).
Post by: Drago on March 09, 2015, 01:38:18 AM
Etihad is obviously in-line using AA from TLV to Asia or South Pacific. Why would ticketing through AA be affected by Etihad's anti-Israel rules as long as the Etihad flight doesn't land in TLV?The airline has to publish a routing from a city for AA to (officially ticket it). It's one of their unique rules.
(I would hate to hog the thread due to my ignorance. Please direct me to a thread if there is one already).
http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/2014/06/08/american-aadvantage-award-routing-rules/
Post by: SLMYRCB on March 09, 2015, 08:09:13 AM
The airline has to publish a routing from a city for AA to (officially ticket it). It's one of their unique rules.
http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/2014/06/08/american-aadvantage-award-routing-rules/
Ah haaaa. Thanx! I see, though its not totally clear if that applies in this situation considering that the flight we're referring to is from KUL-AUH-AMM then to TLV.
But taking your word for if... so the easiest way to do this would be to:
1) avoid AUH
2) travel via AUH but use Malaysia Airlines (@ your own risk)
3) Just knock TLV off the AA itinerary & use 4.5k Avios for that leg
That right?
Possible that moish is somehow booking the itinerary w/o TLV and then adding it in later using his "eyelashes"?? :-*
(moish you can help us out here :'( )
I'm not stam yenting, I'm looking into Asia 2 for the summer coming from TLV. BTW
Post by: Drago on March 09, 2015, 08:22:43 AM
Ah haaaa. Thanx! I see, though its not totally clear if that applies in this situation considering that the flight we're referring to is from KUL-AUH-AMM then to TLV.Malaysia likely doesn't fly to AUH, chk.
But taking your word for if... so the easiest way to do this would be to:
1) avoid AUH
2) travel via AUH but use Malaysia Airlines (@ your own risk)
3) Just knock TLV off the AA itinerary & use 4.5k Avios for that leg
That right?
Possible that moish is somehow booking the itinerary w/o TLV and then adding it in later using his "eyelashes"?? :-*
(moish you can help us out here :'( )
I'm not stam yenting, I'm looking into Asia 2 for the summer coming from TLV. BTW
RJ is the quickest way, and they have decent J availability.
Post by: Kabrams1618 on April 13, 2015, 02:42:14 AM
I need to change my return flight date at the last minute.
Anyone know the cost to change the ticket.
Does it matter that one ticket was bought on us air site and the other on aa site but both are on same plane.
Post by: chucksterace on April 13, 2015, 02:49:03 AM
I flew from tlv to phl on us air in economy
I need to change my return flight date at the last minute.
Anyone know the cost to change the ticket.
Does it matter that one ticket was bought on us air site and the other on aa site but both are on same plane.
Did you call?
Post by: Kabrams1618 on April 13, 2015, 02:51:07 AM
Post by: AharonInIsrael on April 13, 2015, 02:52:55 AM
Phone not available right now, just wanted to see if anyone knew from experience.If you're talking about a RT revenue ticket, it'll depend what fare class you're booked in and what fare class you switch to (in addition to any change fees)
Post by: D93 on April 28, 2015, 01:52:27 PM
Etihad won't work from TLV
what do you mean by that?
No published routing ex-TLV. You should know that... :D
You guys sure about that??
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Post by: AharonInIsrael on April 28, 2015, 03:07:36 PM
There are definitely much quicker ways to get to LHR ;)
You guys sure about that??
Post by: efflpetzel on April 28, 2015, 07:40:59 PM
how long is the trip, start to finish
You guys sure about that??
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Post by: yitrap on April 28, 2015, 08:13:11 PM
how long is the trip, start to finish
Just look at the start and finish time, London is 2 hours behind so essentially taking off the 14th at 8:10 PM (London time) and arriving the 16th at 7:35 am aprox 36 hours
Post by: efflpetzel on April 28, 2015, 10:22:20 PM
Just look at the start and finish time, London is 2 hours behind so essentially taking off the 14th at 8:10 PM (London time) and arriving the 16th at 7:35 am aprox 36 hoursyou nuts!!
Post by: D93 on April 29, 2015, 12:44:07 AM
Just look at the start and finish time, London is 2 hours behind so essentially taking off the 14th at 8:10 PM (London time) and arriving the 16th at 7:35 am aprox 36 hoursThe trip doesn't end in London....
Post by: AharonInIsrael on April 29, 2015, 01:30:13 AM
The trip doesn't end in London....Is LHR-LAX at least direct? Is it BA F?
Post by: Moishebatchy on April 29, 2015, 11:44:57 AM
You guys sure about that??
1) I said EY doesn't publish a routing TLV-Australia. I didn't say there's no published routing for TLV-London.
2) Even so, who said it's pricing as one award, anyway? Prove it.
Post by: D93 on April 29, 2015, 01:02:41 PM
1) I said EY doesn't publish a routing TLV-Australia. I didn't say there's no published routing for TLV-London.1) I misunderstood you
2) Even so, who said it's pricing as one award, anyway? Prove it.
2)
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Post by: AharonInIsrael on May 21, 2015, 04:05:26 AM
Post by: chff on May 26, 2015, 07:49:03 AM
Post by: moish on May 29, 2015, 09:16:48 AM
Post by: ilherman on May 29, 2015, 09:31:57 AM
im pretty sure this whole published routing thing went awayThat would be awesome. Link?
Post by: moish on May 29, 2015, 10:57:47 AM
That would be awesome. Link?just various routings i was able to book in the past little while
Post by: AharonInIsrael on June 04, 2015, 02:31:59 PM
Post by: Emkay on June 04, 2015, 02:58:13 PM
Just noticed that LY only charges 100 Matmid points OW to Budapest and 120 to Prague (i.e. 5k and 6k Amex per way). Anyone have a chart of the LY redemptions on UP? I tried searching, but could only find the rates for LY's regular flights.and how much yq?
Post by: AharonInIsrael on June 04, 2015, 02:59:00 PM
and how much yq?$40 something
Post by: Emkay on June 04, 2015, 03:01:26 PM
$40 somethingrevenue is same price if not cheaper
Post by: AharonInIsrael on June 04, 2015, 03:02:41 PM
revenue is same price if not cheaperTrue, but availability for the cheaper prices was different: certain days had $180 flights but no awards, and vice versa.
Post by: shimino1 on June 04, 2015, 06:23:33 PM
revenue is same price if not cheaperPrices hit 300-400$ OW sometimes.
Post by: Drago on June 14, 2015, 05:31:07 AM
http://www.interaksyon.com/business/112169/philippine-carrier-can-now-fly-to-europe-via-istanbul
Post by: Emkay on June 14, 2015, 08:12:42 AM
Upcoming flights to Manila?what does this change? you can currently get to MNL via IST
http://www.interaksyon.com/business/112169/philippine-carrier-can-now-fly-to-europe-via-istanbul
Post by: Drago on June 14, 2015, 08:25:44 AM
what does this change? you can currently get to MNL via ISTIt seemed that they may introduce a direct option, based on the reading of the article.
Post by: Emkay on June 14, 2015, 08:34:02 AM
It seemed that they may introduce a direct option, based on the reading of the article.not sure where you pulled that from but thats not what the article says
Post by: Drago on June 14, 2015, 09:25:28 AM
not sure where you pulled that from but thats not what the article saysSo I have poor English skills.
I hope you're proud of yourself, picking on the Israeli...
Post by: Emkay on June 21, 2015, 12:30:42 PM
http://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/38292-easyjet-to-drop-rome-base-in-favour-of-venice-from-2q2016
Post by: Emkay on June 25, 2015, 07:46:33 AM
TLV-IST-SIN on TK and SQ with A321 and 777 (possibly also TK A320)
TLV-ZRH-SIN on LX and SQ with A330 and A380
TLV-FRA-SIN on LH and SQ with A321 and A380
if not then which of these are the best option?
Post by: D93 on June 25, 2015, 12:26:27 PM
are there any other other flights from TLV-SIN with one stop other then star alliance?Another option is TLV-MUC-SIN on LH a320/a321 and SQ 777.
TLV-IST-SIN on TK and SQ with A321 and 777 (possibly also TK A320)
TLV-ZRH-SIN on LX and SQ with A330 and A380
TLV-FRA-SIN on LH and SQ with A321 and A380
if not then which of these are the best option?
TLV-ZRH-SIN is the best option. Real J on LX and SQ a380.
Post by: shoobi on June 25, 2015, 12:28:47 PM
TLV-ZRH-SIN is the best option. Real J on LX and SQ a380.
not neccesarily, I've flown TLV-ZRH on LX and sometimes was wide-body, sometimes was narrow-body... YMMV
Post by: D93 on June 25, 2015, 12:32:14 PM
not neccesarily, I've flown TLV-ZRH on LX and sometimes was wide-body, sometimes was narrow-body... YMMVLX a320 = fake J
LX a330/a340 = real J
OP wrote "LX a330", plus you can check before you book the flight to see which plane they are flying and hope they don't do an equipment swap on you, but at least there is a very good chance of real J as supposed to zero chance with LH and TK.
Post by: Emkay on June 25, 2015, 12:33:11 PM
Worth adding 2 hrs to each flight over IST? From 2 to to 4 and 10 to 12
TLV-ZRH-SIN is the best option. Real J on LX and SQ a380.
Post by: shoobi on June 25, 2015, 12:33:42 PM
Post by: shoobi on June 25, 2015, 12:34:11 PM
Worth adding 2 hrs to each flight over IST? From 2 to to 4 and 10 to 12
I would for real J
Post by: D93 on June 25, 2015, 12:34:50 PM
Worth adding 2 hrs to each flight over IST? From 2 to to 4 and 10 to 12For the LX J it's debatable, but for SQ R a380, no question in my mind.
Post by: D93 on June 25, 2015, 12:51:53 PM
are there any other other flights from TLV-SIN with one stop other then star alliance?
TLV-IST-SIN on TK and SQ with A321 and 777 (possibly also TK A320)
TLV-ZRH-SIN on LX and SQ with A330 and A380
TLV-FRA-SIN on LH and SQ with A321 and A380
if not then which of these are the best option?
Would SQ even let you backtrack like this?
Post by: G11600 on June 25, 2015, 01:17:16 PM
are there any other other flights from TLV-SIN with one stop other then star alliance?
TLV-IST-SIN on TK and SQ with A321 and 777 (possibly also TK A320)
TLV-ZRH-SIN on LX and SQ with A330 and A380
TLV-FRA-SIN on LH and SQ with A321 and A380
if not then which of these are the best option?
Also TLV-MUC-SIN on A321 and 777
Post by: D93 on June 25, 2015, 01:21:24 PM
Also TLV-MUC-SIN on A321 and 777Repost
Post by: Emkay on June 25, 2015, 01:26:41 PM
Also TLV-MUC-SIN on A321 and 777Yup, mentioned above
Another option is TLV-MUC-SIN on LH a320/a321 and SQ 777.
Post by: Emkay on June 25, 2015, 01:27:11 PM
Would SQ even let you backtrack like this?(Hopefully) booking with UA
Post by: a mirrer on June 25, 2015, 02:22:38 PM
(Hopefully) booking with UAsq r with united is possible?
Post by: Emkay on June 25, 2015, 02:53:20 PM
sq r with united is possible?No but I never said anything about R, was hoping for J
Post by: efflpetzel on June 25, 2015, 04:54:14 PM
New route is TLV - AMS. Amazing that they're already the second biggest carrier out of TLV (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4672664,00.html).
can't wait for Ryanair to start!
Post by: moish on June 25, 2015, 06:30:54 PM
are there any other other flights from TLV-SIN with one stop other then star alliance?if you can consider tlv-amm to be a "gelechter" then you can fly from amm either via doh or auh :)
TLV-IST-SIN on TK and SQ with A321 and 777 (possibly also TK A320)
TLV-ZRH-SIN on LX and SQ with A330 and A380
TLV-FRA-SIN on LH and SQ with A321 and A380
if not then which of these are the best option?
Post by: D93 on June 25, 2015, 06:37:35 PM
if you can consider tlv-amm to be a "gelechter" then you can fly from amm either via doh or auh :)A what?
Post by: moish on June 25, 2015, 06:45:09 PM
Post by: Emkay on June 25, 2015, 06:56:47 PM
a joke. its only 25 minutes...Together with a stopover and changing planes and finding connecting flights... It doesn't look I'll have am option but either way I couldn't find availability via DOH
Post by: D93 on June 25, 2015, 07:02:55 PM
Together with a stopover and changing planes and finding connecting flights... It doesn't look I'll have am option but either way I couldn't find availability via DOHStopping and changing planes in AMM is extremely simple.
Post by: moish on June 25, 2015, 07:10:17 PM
Stopping and changing planes in AMM is extremely simple.told ya...
Post by: D93 on June 26, 2015, 02:00:29 AM
told ya...Yup! Thank you!
Post by: Moishebatchy on June 26, 2015, 04:54:49 AM
are there any other other flights from TLV-SIN with one stop other then star alliance?
TLV-IST-SIN on TK and SQ with A321 and 777 (possibly also TK A320)
TLV-ZRH-SIN on LX and SQ with A330 and A380
TLV-FRA-SIN on LH and SQ with A321 and A380
if not then which of these are the best option?
Price-wise or luxury-wise?
Post by: Emkay on June 26, 2015, 05:31:19 AM
Price-wise or luxury-wise?These are all the same price for me in miles. I'm looking for the shortest least hassle route but willing to travel a little longer for a nicer product
Post by: Drago on July 08, 2015, 05:37:53 AM
Exciting to see if they'll expand to TLV
Post by: westman812 on July 17, 2015, 12:49:49 PM
http://www.timesofisrael.com/low-cost-airline-ryanair-to-begin-israel-flights/http://www.timesofisrael.com/nonstop-flights-from-tel-aviv-to-tokyo-announced/
Exciting to see if they'll expand to TLV
Another report says JAL interested as well.
Post by: AharonInIsrael on July 23, 2015, 02:03:27 PM
Post by: moish on July 24, 2015, 09:12:21 AM
Post by: ABC on July 24, 2015, 09:37:30 AM
No but I never said anything about R, was hoping for J
Also J can't be booked with UA.
Post by: AharonInIsrael on July 24, 2015, 10:33:40 AM
very realistic. download the hulyo app vitimtza nachasCool, thanks!
Post by: srf60 on July 24, 2015, 10:52:19 AM
very realistic. download the hulyo app vitimtza nachasGreat app. Is there such a kind of thing for the us??
Post by: Yaalili on August 13, 2015, 08:57:04 AM
Post by: Emkay on September 19, 2015, 03:13:52 PM
Finally some competition with LY to Asiathey start flying 3 times a week on april 28th, how can i redeem miles for them other then alaskan?
HU is to start flying the PEK-TLV route,
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4595641,00.html
Post by: Drago on September 20, 2015, 02:43:02 AM
Will be one of the few carriers offering an 'F' experience.
Post by: Dan on September 20, 2015, 09:09:32 AM
Gotta fly via ICN for that...
Post by: Drago on September 20, 2015, 12:30:43 PM
Comes and goes. Anyway, its more like the best J class than a real F experience ;)my understanding is that it's an equipment and schedule change
Gotta fly via ICN for that...
3 flights instead of 4, and on a diff plane, so it should be consistent
Once we reach 5 carriers offering F, then we're expecting you to make aliyah...
Post by: AharonInIsrael on November 08, 2015, 05:30:38 AM
Post by: Drago on November 08, 2015, 05:58:54 AM
Was just playing around with ITA, and an option popped up to go TLV-AMM-DOH-JFK. Is it usually difficult to get someone to ticket that route as an award?AA seems to have relaxed the published routing restrictions, so DOH and AUH may work.
Post by: AharonInIsrael on November 08, 2015, 06:04:00 AM
AA seems to have relaxed the published routing restrictions, so DOH and AUH may work.Good to know, thanks. Trying to combine two OWs into an itinerary that will ticket like a RT. (TLV-JFK, SIN-TLV)
Post by: D93 on November 08, 2015, 06:10:43 AM
Was just playing around with ITA, and an option popped up to go TLV-AMM-DOH-JFK. Is it usually difficult to get someone to ticket that route as an award?Not difficult at all.
Post by: D93 on November 08, 2015, 06:11:13 AM
Good to know, thanks. Trying to combine two OWs into an itinerary that will ticket like a RT. (TLV-JFK, SIN-TLV)Why not just book as 2 OW's?
Post by: AharonInIsrael on November 08, 2015, 06:11:32 AM
Why not just book as 2 OW's?Paid itinerary.
Post by: Drago on November 08, 2015, 08:19:56 AM
Paid itinerary.I'm not aware of paid itin't ever being an issue through those countries.
I thought you were referring to award tix.
Post by: AharonInIsrael on November 11, 2015, 04:22:06 AM
Post by: Emkay on November 11, 2015, 04:54:47 AM
Anyone ever do a day trip ex-TLV?a bunch of times to Greece, Spain,and Italy
Post by: D93 on November 11, 2015, 05:14:42 AM
Anyone ever do a day trip ex-TLV? Where to? How was it? DO anyone?
DXB ;)
Post by: AharonInIsrael on November 11, 2015, 05:19:36 AM
a bunch of times to Greece, Spain,and ItalyJust for a day? Was it with a budget carrier or award ticket?
ETA: Also, any tips you'd care to share?
DXB ;)You did TLV-AMM-DXB-AMM-TLV in one day??
Post by: Emkay on November 11, 2015, 05:28:50 AM
Just for a day? Was it with a budget carrier or award ticket?budget carrier
Post by: D93 on November 11, 2015, 05:28:55 AM
You did TLV-AMM-DXB-AMM-TLV in one day??No
Post by: AharonInIsrael on November 11, 2015, 05:53:37 AM
NoOh, okay. I knew that then :)
Post by: Mech on November 11, 2015, 06:06:55 AM
Oh, okay. I knew that then :)I think he wants a DO in DXB!
Post by: D93 on November 11, 2015, 06:14:39 AM
I think he wants a DO in DXB!
+1
Post by: AharonInIsrael on November 11, 2015, 06:38:37 AM
I think he wants a DO in DXB!Ah, okay. I guess I should expect things to be confusing when asking so many questions at once
Post by: chff on November 12, 2015, 08:59:44 PM
Post by: Moishebatchy on November 13, 2015, 03:14:09 AM
Anyone ever do a day trip ex-TLV? Where to? How was it? DO anyone?
I just did an A3 mileage run yesterday. But if you take out my second and third segments (and only keep my first and last segments), you have a perfect day trip to Athens - leave TLV at 6:00 and arrive in ATH at 8:10 AM; leave ATH at 10:30 PM and arrive in TLV at 12:30 AM. Schedule only works out certain days of the week.
Post by: AharonInIsrael on November 13, 2015, 03:47:53 AM
I just did an A3 mileage run yesterday. But if you take out my second and third segments (and only keep my first and last segments), you have a perfect day trip to Athens - leave TLV at 6:00 and arrive in ATH at 8:10 AM; leave ATH at 10:30 PM and arrive in TLV at 12:30 AM. Schedule only works out certain days of the week.I've been looking at that. On Thursdays in the February only $156 IIRC. Thanks!
Post by: shauly on November 23, 2015, 12:55:05 PM
Post by: Emkay on November 23, 2015, 12:56:19 PM
It's so hard to route TLV-PVG (or anywhere far east) using AA... The layovers in AMM and DXB are ridiculous. Can't wait for CX to start flying TLV-HKG. Hopefully there will be availability. /endrantwhats ridiculous? the times or the actual stopover in those places?
Post by: shauly on November 23, 2015, 12:57:53 PM
whats ridiculous? the times or the actual stopover in those places?
The times. AMM I have no desire to visit, but I wouldn't mind a day in DXB if I wasn't trying to make such a short trip to PVG. Each way ends up taking like 3 whole days.
Post by: Emkay on November 23, 2015, 01:00:17 PM
The times. AMM I have no desire to visit, but I wouldn't mind a day in DXB if I wasn't trying to make such a short trip to PVG. Each way ends up taking like 3 whole days.whats wrong with the TLV-AMM AM flight? works for most connecting options
Post by: shauly on November 23, 2015, 01:02:46 PM
whats wrong with the TLV-AMM AM flight? works for most connecting options
Does RJ have any flights to DXB before the 4:30pm?
E: Seems like the 4:30 is the shortest connection.
Post by: D93 on November 23, 2015, 01:05:43 PM
Does RJ have any flights to DXB before the 4:30pm?Why are you routing through DXB? That will require an additional stop in HKG. You are better off routing AUH-PVG.
E: Seems like the 4:30 is the shortest connection.
Post by: shauly on November 23, 2015, 01:07:36 PM
Why are you routing through DXB? That will require an additional stop in HKG. You are better off routing AUH-PVG.
Seems like CX/KA have better availability, but I would take that if I could find it.
Post by: Emkay on November 23, 2015, 01:08:08 PM
Does RJ have any flights to DXB before the 4:30pm?not that would work without an overnight. but you can take TLV-AMM-AUH-PVG with around 3 hrs by each stopover
Post by: D93 on November 23, 2015, 01:09:35 PM
Seems like CX/KA have better availability, but I would take that if I could find it.
Did you try searching AMM-AUH on RJ or EY and AUH-PVG on EY?
Post by: shauly on November 23, 2015, 01:12:41 PM
Looks like I should be able to make something work. ;D
Post by: D93 on November 23, 2015, 01:16:20 PM
Not sure what I was thinking that I dismissed AUH-PVG so fast. Got so set on taking CX out of DXB, and I didn't look back.
Looks like I should be able to make something work. ;D
CX J a330 is nicer than EY J a330, but the extra stop and bad timing can be a huge factor.
Post by: shauly on November 23, 2015, 01:21:32 PM
CX J a330 is nicer than EY J a330, but the extra stop and bad timing can be a huge factor.
There will be more opportunities for CX J. Like I said, I'm really looking forward to the TLV-HKG route, that will make visiting Hong Kong very nice, assuming they will have availability.
Post by: SamKey on November 24, 2015, 01:48:19 PM
There will be more opportunities for CX J. Like I said, I'm really looking forward to the TLV-HKG route, that will make visiting Hong Kong very nice, assuming they will have availability.Yeah but the deval ain't fun
Post by: D93 on November 24, 2015, 01:52:28 PM
Yeah but the deval ain't fun
30k to 40k isn't a huge change.
Post by: efflpetzel on November 25, 2015, 01:04:22 PM
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4730754,00.html
Post by: Wandering Israeli on November 25, 2015, 02:02:45 PM
Monarch restarting LTN-TLV 3 flights a week after a 10 year absencewhy do they think that starting with introductory pricing that's higher then the competitor is a good idea?
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4730754,00.html
Post by: IsraelGuy on November 29, 2015, 01:22:34 AM
Post by: D93 on November 29, 2015, 02:27:24 AM
Anyone have experience with TLV-AMM route? If I book two J awards now and that's all the available space, is there a chance of two more J showing up, or is that flight usually limited to a specific capacity?
In general, RJ doesn't release more than 1 or 2 seats on that route and they don't release more seats closer in.
Post by: high end hobo on November 29, 2015, 10:13:39 PM
its the only way to travel to TLV in F other than on KE and LY
Post by: D93 on November 30, 2015, 12:12:13 AM
maybe i'm spaced but anyone else notice that BA rostered in a 4 cabin 772 to TLV with 4 cabins of service?
its the only way to travel to TLV in F other than on KE and LY
Old news.....
Post by: high end hobo on November 30, 2015, 09:56:16 AM
so where's the post on DDF? i searched and didn't find anything
Post by: D93 on November 30, 2015, 10:57:22 AM
so where's the post on DDF? i searched and didn't find anything
You posted it yourself.
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=46360.msg1294028#msg1294028
Post by: high end hobo on November 30, 2015, 11:49:32 AM
You posted it yourself.I only remembered seeing the 3 cabin 787. my post there was about more space in J.
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=46360.msg1294028#msg1294028
Im now amazed there is a 4 cabin 777 on the route.
wanted to know if anyone else noticed or is discussing or reviewing the product
Post by: mawmaw on November 30, 2015, 01:39:14 PM
maybe i'm spaced but anyone else notice that BA rostered in a 4 cabin 772 to TLV with 4 cabins of service?you left out LX with status
its the only way to travel to TLV in F other than on KE and LY
Post by: D93 on November 30, 2015, 01:40:26 PM
you left out LX with status
LX F ex-TLV isn't real F, plus you don't need status to book it.
Post by: high end hobo on November 30, 2015, 03:14:33 PM
LX F ex-TLV isn't real F, plus you don't need status to book it.They fly an A340 ZRH-TLV sometimes, idk the layout, can we make a wiki with the EX-EU J products to TLV?
Post by: D93 on November 30, 2015, 03:27:04 PM
They fly an A340 ZRH-TLV sometimes, idk the layout,
They also fly an a330-300 with same seating as the a340.
It's an F seat but no F service = "LX F ex-TLV isn't real F".
Quote
can we make a wiki with the EX-EU J products to TLV?
There's already a thread on it.
Post by: Emkay on November 30, 2015, 03:28:33 PM
can we make a wiki with the EX-EU J products to TLV?http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=48340
Post by: high end hobo on November 30, 2015, 06:31:01 PM
Post by: yandmk on December 06, 2015, 08:53:48 AM
(I'm not sure if this better belongs here or here: http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=46332.msg1315264#msg1315264 , but I figured that it's more likely to get answered here...)
Post by: Emkay on December 09, 2015, 12:12:21 PM
Post by: AharonInIsrael on December 09, 2015, 12:47:58 PM
Post by: D93 on December 09, 2015, 12:49:21 PM
I'm thinking about making a speculative booking using AA miles before the devaluation to either Australia or New Zealand. What are the most enjoyable ways to get there from TLV in J and F? Will CX starting TLV-HKG blow other options out of the water?
TLV-AMM-AUH-SYD on EY apartment
Post by: AharonInIsrael on December 09, 2015, 01:09:00 PM
TLV-AMM-AUH-SYD on EY apartmentAnd I can book that for 60k AA?
Post by: D93 on December 09, 2015, 01:09:37 PM
And I can book that for 60k AA?
Yes
Post by: AharonInIsrael on December 09, 2015, 01:20:46 PM
YesWhoa, cool stuff. I'd be looking for three seats, and that seems a bit dicey. From what I understood, they open up 2 seats and then possibly more as you get closer. It does look like an unforgettable way to get somewhere though.
Post by: Emkay on December 09, 2015, 03:10:03 PM
Whoa, cool stuff. I'd be looking for three seats, and that seems a bit dicey. From what I understood, they open up 2 seats and then possibly more as you get closer. It does look like an unforgettable way to get somewhere though.So book J. Not too hard to find 3
Post by: chucksterace on December 09, 2015, 03:37:53 PM
Post by: rediplus on December 09, 2015, 05:14:05 PM
Post by: Emkay on December 09, 2015, 05:44:37 PM
how do you search for availability ? the tlv-amm-auh can be done on AA website and the syd leg on ek website and the syd leg is added on the phone ?Yes, you can search separately and call to piece all together.
(Also I think you mean EY not EK)
Post by: D93 on December 09, 2015, 06:22:28 PM
how do you search for availability ? the tlv-amm-auh can be done on AA website and the syd leg on ek website and the syd leg is added on the phone ?
Yes, you can search separately and call to piece all together.
(Also I think you mean EY not EK)
And EY also flies AMM-AUH.
Post by: Wandering Israeli on December 24, 2015, 06:54:55 AM
prices don't look too good though
Post by: high end hobo on December 26, 2015, 11:15:27 PM
Monarch starting Manchester - Tel Aviv route 3 times a week on April 19ththey're better than easy jet IME
prices don't look too good though
Post by: Wandering Israeli on December 27, 2015, 07:13:00 AM
they're better than easy jet IMEoverall experience or price?
Post by: high end hobo on December 27, 2015, 12:53:36 PM
Post by: AharonInIsrael on December 29, 2015, 04:57:03 AM
Anyone ever do a day trip ex-TLV? Where to? How was it? DO anyone?I'm looking more into doing this. There's a few days in January/February that Aegean has relatively cheap flights. Anyone interested in going with me on Thursday February 4th? $200 RT, leave at 6 AM get back a bit after midnight (on ground for 12:20)?
Post by: Wandering Israeli on December 29, 2015, 06:04:48 AM
Overall experience. Actually easy jet isn't so bad. Ryanair is where the real fun isI found Easyjet to be from the best of the LCCs
Post by: Wandering Israeli on December 29, 2015, 06:07:07 AM
Not the best option but if looking to minimize flight time its a good option. Don't see it yet available but its always good to have other OW options to that side of the world
Post by: D93 on December 29, 2015, 06:09:12 AM
RJ just started a new route to Jakarta on the 787
Not the best option but if looking to minimize flight time its a good option. Don't see it yet available but its always good to have other OW options to that side of the world
Pretty solid option for 30k in lie flat J.
Post by: Emkay on December 29, 2015, 06:14:30 AM
RJ just started a new route to Jakarta on the 787is it direct? seems to say with a "technical stop"
Not the best option but if looking to minimize flight time its a good option. Don't see it yet available but its always good to have other OW options to that side of the world
Post by: Wandering Israeli on December 29, 2015, 06:59:18 AM
is it direct? seems to say with a "technical stop"a little research seems to say that it has a 1 hour stop in KUL. First leg is a 787 second leg is A330
Pretty solid option for 30k in lie flat J.it does not seem to be bookable yet though
Post by: rileywiles23 on December 29, 2015, 08:43:17 AM
Post by: D93 on December 29, 2015, 08:45:28 AM
Are there specific planes on TK that have real J flying out of TLV, to either IST, or SAW ?
Yes
Post by: Drago on December 29, 2015, 08:50:54 AM
Are there specific planes on TK that have real J flying out of TLV, to either IST, or SAW ?I had it on 1 of 3 opportunities.
Post by: rileywiles23 on December 29, 2015, 08:55:30 AM
YesWhich ones ?
I had it on 1 of 3 opportunities.Is there anyway to know beforehand ?
Post by: Emkay on December 29, 2015, 08:56:09 AM
I had it on 1 of 3 opportunities.Knew in advance which one it would be?
Post by: D93 on December 29, 2015, 09:01:57 AM
Which ones ? Is there anyway to know beforehand ?
A330-300
Post by: rileywiles23 on December 29, 2015, 09:18:44 AM
A330-300Their flying the a321, and the 737 in the day I need.
SN, LO, and OS are all fake J, correct ?
Post by: D93 on December 29, 2015, 09:23:20 AM
Their flying the a321, and the 737 in the day I need.
SN, LO, and OS are all fake J, correct ?
Correct
No LX a330/a340 available?
Post by: rileywiles23 on December 29, 2015, 09:33:43 AM
CorrectNo LX availability at all.
No LX a330/a340 available?
Post by: Drago on December 29, 2015, 10:07:30 AM
Post by: high end hobo on December 29, 2015, 08:47:33 PM
Are there specific planes on TK that have real J flying out of TLV, to either IST, or SAW ?TLV-IST is such a short flight, how much of a difference does it make? the J seat on their A321 is very decent, much better than the European airlines
Post by: D93 on December 30, 2015, 02:17:11 AM
TLV-IST is such a short flight, how much of a difference does it make? the J seat on their A321 is very decent, much better than the European airlines
How so?
Post by: a mirrer on December 30, 2015, 02:26:36 AM
How so?from seat guru it seems like it does recline more than economy
Post by: harrym on December 30, 2015, 05:30:16 AM
How so?The 737 I was on business was 2-2 configuration, economy is 3-3.
Post by: high end hobo on December 30, 2015, 11:37:21 AM
Post by: Wandering Israeli on January 03, 2016, 07:11:45 AM
Post by: D93 on January 03, 2016, 07:28:08 AM
Israir to start a new route to Sri Lanka in August
Would be nice if they had some partners.
Post by: AharonInIsrael on January 05, 2016, 05:50:14 AM
I'm looking more into doing this. There's a few days in January/February that Aegean has relatively cheap flights. Anyone interested in going with me on Thursday February 4th? $200 RT, leave at 6 AM get back a bit after midnight (on ground for 12:20)?BUMP. Anyone? (I think price is now about $230)
Post by: Drago on January 05, 2016, 07:42:06 AM
BUMP. Anyone? (I think price is now about $230)What's the point? Unless you need a visa renewal.
Post by: AharonInIsrael on January 05, 2016, 07:43:04 AM
What's the point? Unless you need a visa renewal.To see (parts of) Athens
Post by: Drago on January 05, 2016, 08:43:49 AM
To see (parts of) Athens1) it's cold
2) you'd be rushing, best to do it somewhat properly
3) $230 isn't chump change, and w/ the LY mileage sale, the price would be even lower
Post by: AharonInIsrael on January 05, 2016, 04:04:04 PM
1) it's coldSo... you're not coming?
2) you'd be rushing, best to do it somewhat properly
3) $230 isn't chump change, and w/ the LY mileage sale, the price would be even lower
I don't feel like I have the time to do it properly for a few more years, and wouldn't mind going again. I can do different things now by myself than I can do with a wife and kids.
Forgot about the LY sale extension, I'll look into those dates too, thanks for the reminder.
Post by: SamKey on January 06, 2016, 01:17:48 PM
So... you're not coming?If I'd be doing a trip without my wife it would include at least 15 hrs in F...
I don't feel like I have the time to do it properly for a few more years, and wouldn't mind going again. I can do different things now by myself than I can do with a wife and kids.
Forgot about the LY sale extension, I'll look into those dates too, thanks for the reminder.
Post by: tavster on January 07, 2016, 01:29:43 AM
I saw that LY is outsourcing some of its JFK and BOS routes to Spanish charter Privilege Style's 777.
Anybody has experience of these planes? Couldn't get any real color online. Are these planes beter/ even worst than LY?
Post by: Emkay on January 07, 2016, 01:59:21 AM
Could be old story -
I saw that LY is outsourcing some of its JFK and BOS routes to Spanish charter Privilege Style's 777.
Anybody has experience of these planes? Couldn't get any real color online. Are these planes beter/ even worst than LY?
BOS is using the 767 I believe. Shell seats are definitely a small upgrade
Post by: Denverite on January 07, 2016, 02:18:02 AM
Israir to start a new route to Sri Lanka in August
That's interesting and could provide a good jumping off point to MLE or Asia since except for Turkish, a lot of other airlines have hubs thru Arab countries that don't fly from TLV.
Post by: SLMYRCB on January 07, 2016, 02:44:37 AM
That's interesting and could provide a good jumping off point to MLE or Asia since except for Turkish, a lot of other airlines have hubs thru Arab countries that don't fly from TLV.RJ
Post by: tavster on January 07, 2016, 03:40:30 AM
BOS is using the 767 I believe. Shell seats are definitely a small upgrade
Thanks. Any idea if they fully lie-down?
Post by: travel agent on January 10, 2016, 11:21:22 AM
Post by: high end hobo on January 10, 2016, 04:53:48 PM
Post by: Emkay on January 10, 2016, 05:24:36 PM
You checked ovda or just tlv?They don't have any fights out of TLV. Their calendar to/from Israel only extends through March while all other destinations are a year
Post by: travel agent on January 11, 2016, 03:47:50 AM
They don't have any fights out of TLV. Their calendar to/from Israel only extends through March while all other destinations are a year
so are they flying after March or not?
Post by: SLMYRCB on January 11, 2016, 03:54:33 AM
I remember reading that it's a seasonal (winter) route only.
so are they flying after March or not?
Post by: travel agent on January 11, 2016, 04:05:32 AM
I remember reading that it's a seasonal (winter) route only.
all 3 destinations? & what's about next winter?
Post by: Wandering Israeli on January 17, 2016, 06:56:52 AM
Post by: Wandering Israeli on January 24, 2016, 06:31:10 AM
Post by: high end hobo on January 24, 2016, 01:21:59 PM
TUS Airways starting flights from LCA to Tel Aviv and Haifa on February 14thWhat aircraft will they be using? Last I checked they only had one Saab
Post by: Wandering Israeli on January 24, 2016, 01:49:43 PM
What aircraft will they be using? Last I checked they only had one Saabyes, its the Saab 340B turboprop
Post by: mgarfin on January 24, 2016, 01:55:47 PM
TUS Airways starting flights from LCA to Tel Aviv and Haifa on February 14th
Is there any other international flights coming in to Haifa ?
Post by: Wandering Israeli on January 24, 2016, 03:29:22 PM
No
Is there any other international flights coming in to Haifa ?
Post by: IsraelGuy on January 25, 2016, 05:52:41 PM
Post by: IsraelGuy on January 27, 2016, 08:32:35 AM
Post by: D93 on January 27, 2016, 08:37:29 AM
Any suggestions on a fun 1-3 day trip ex TLV relatively easy on points (including hotel)?
DXB/AUH
Post by: IsraelGuy on January 27, 2016, 08:41:43 AM
DXB/AUH
Thanks. Already will be headed to AUH soon enough.
Possibilities could be anything- ski area, rainy city, just want to go somewhere next weekish. Though about CDG but didn't see any obvious flight options.
Post by: D93 on January 27, 2016, 09:01:51 AM
Thanks. Already will be headed to AUH soon enough.
Possibilities could be anything- ski area, rainy city, just want to go somewhere next weekish. Though about CDG but didn't see any obvious flight options.
Go to the Alps and go skiing for 2-3 days.
Post by: IsraelGuy on January 27, 2016, 09:04:23 AM
Go to the Alps and go skiing for 2-3 days.
Sounds like I could be nice, but maybe super expensive?
Zrh? Flying on Star alliance I'm guessing and any good places to stay on points?
Post by: SLMYRCB on January 27, 2016, 09:07:36 AM
Sounds like I could be nice, but maybe super expensive?4 million Barclays arrival points should get you a night at the (sub-par) Metropol Arosa but you'll have to pay for breakfast and everything else.
Zrh? Flying on Star alliance I'm guessing and any good places to stay on points?
Post by: IsraelGuy on January 27, 2016, 09:08:58 AM
4 million Barclays arrival points should get you a night at the (sub-par) Metropol Arosa but you'll have to pay for breakfast and everything else.
Thanks :)
Almost enough points by not quite.
Post by: Emkay on January 27, 2016, 09:12:13 AM
Sounds like I could be nice, but maybe super expensive?Park Hyatt Zurich, great value for free night cert. My room they gave me when I stayed was over $2000
Zrh? Flying on Star alliance I'm guessing and any good places to stay on points?
Post by: Emkay on January 27, 2016, 09:12:49 AM
Any suggestions on a fun 1-3 day trip ex TLV relatively easy on points (including hotel)?What do you mean "fun"?
Seeing or doing?
Post by: D93 on January 27, 2016, 09:21:41 AM
Sounds like I could be nice, but maybe super expensive?
Zrh? Flying on Star alliance I'm guessing and any good places to stay on points?
50k SQ for LX J RT.
There's a Sheraton in Davos.
Post by: D93 on January 27, 2016, 09:22:38 AM
Park Hyatt Zurich, great value for free night cert. My room they gave me when I stayed was over $2000
Slight issue, Zurich is 2-3 hour train ride from the slopes.
Post by: benjie1305 on January 27, 2016, 09:23:02 AM
Park Hyatt Zurich, great value for free night cert. My room they gave me when I stayed was over $2000
Nice value there! Were you Diamond? Score an upgrade as well?
Post by: Emkay on January 27, 2016, 09:23:14 AM
50k SQ for LX J RT.+YQ, no?
.
Post by: D93 on January 27, 2016, 09:24:07 AM
+YQ, no?
Yes, ~$300 RT
Post by: Emkay on January 27, 2016, 09:25:57 AM
Yes, ~$300 RTTerrible value for this trip. May as well fly Y for a couple hours and spend less then that with zero miles
Post by: Emkay on January 27, 2016, 09:27:13 AM
Nice value there! Were you Diamond? Score an upgrade as well?Was not diamond on my account I booked it from, got a small upgrade and base room was 800 euro
Post by: IsraelGuy on January 27, 2016, 09:34:36 AM
I'm fine either seeing or doing. Seeing is easier as were plus 2 toddlers, but doing isn't out of the question...
Post by: IsraelGuy on January 27, 2016, 09:35:22 AM
Post by: Emkay on January 27, 2016, 09:41:44 AM
Yeah I'd rather not pay YQ or just pay for Y. Ideally I'd be fine flying Y on such a short trip if the taxes are low enough. 2-3 hour train ride sounds like t would kill PHZ. I'll check Sheraton in Davos.BUD sounds perfect for you.
I'm fine either seeing or doing. Seeing is easier as were plus 2 toddlers, but doing isn't out of the question...
Short flight, one of the cheapest places to fly to, luxury hotels are not expensive (check out the boscolo there), from the cheapest destinations in europe, beautiful city, enough but not too much to see in 1-3 days, kosher food...
Post by: benjie1305 on January 27, 2016, 09:42:34 AM
BUD sounds perfect for you.
Short flight, one of the cheapest places to fly to, luxury hotels are not expensive (check out the boscolo there), from the cheapest destinations in europe, beautiful city, enough but not too much to see in 1-3 days, kosher food...
As in no kosher food pretty much. Much rather do Vienna for 2-3 days. Much to see. Many hotels. A lot of Kosher food.
Post by: Emkay on January 27, 2016, 09:45:05 AM
As in no kosher food pretty much. Much rather do Vienna for 2-3 days. Much to see. Many hotels. A lot of Kosher food.There is more then one kosher restaurant, its for 1-3 days he doesn't need a 13th ave
Post by: benjie1305 on January 27, 2016, 09:48:48 AM
There is more then one kosher restaurant, its for 1-3 days he doesn't need a 13th ave
No need for a 13th ave but at least restaurants aren't far in addition to having a lot to do there. Budapest is nice but I am always done with all the good stuff in any given day and then have to shlep across town to go grab a bite.
Also - I think there are two places. Are you aware of any others?
Post by: Emkay on January 27, 2016, 09:55:17 AM
No need for a 13th ave but at least restaurants aren't far in addition to having a lot to do there. Budapest is nice but I am always done with all the good stuff in any given day and then have to shlep across town to go grab a bite.I seems to recall at least 3 but places are always opening and closing so dunno about nowadays. Anytime you go anywhere in the world that's not the tristate area and has limited eateries you need to work out your day smartly with food, if he wants to not have a rushed day you hang out locally until lunch and then go out for the rest of the day and be back for supper
Also - I think there are two places. Are you aware of any others?
Post by: travel agent on January 27, 2016, 11:08:57 AM
Post by: Drago on January 27, 2016, 11:53:52 AM
50k SQ for LX J RT.45k Israeli LH
There's a Sheraton in Davos.
Post by: D93 on January 27, 2016, 01:06:15 PM
45k Israeli LH
Forgot about that one! Thanks.
Also 21k A3 OW
Post by: Drago on January 27, 2016, 04:07:01 PM
Forgot about that one! Thanks.LH gives more availability to their members i think, so that can help in some cases
Also 21k A3 OW
Post by: D93 on January 27, 2016, 04:59:43 PM
LH gives more availability to their members i think, so that can help in some cases
Forgot about that one! Thanks.
Post by: Drago on February 09, 2016, 06:18:18 AM
http://www.port2port.co.il/article/%D7%94%D7%95%D7%91%D7%9C%D7%94-%D7%90%D7%95%D7%95%D7%99%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%AA/%D7%97%D7%91%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%AA%D7%A2%D7%95%D7%A4%D7%94/%D7%90%D7%A0%D7%94-%D7%9E%D7%92%D7%9C%D7%94-%D7%A2%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%99%D7%9F-%D7%A8%D7%91-%D7%91%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%A7-%D7%94%D7%99%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%90%D7%9C%D7%99/
Post by: D93 on February 09, 2016, 06:48:51 AM
ANA might be interested in flights.
http://www.port2port.co.il/article/%D7%94%D7%95%D7%91%D7%9C%D7%94-%D7%90%D7%95%D7%95%D7%99%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%AA/%D7%97%D7%91%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%AA%D7%A2%D7%95%D7%A4%D7%94/%D7%90%D7%A0%D7%94-%D7%9E%D7%92%D7%9C%D7%94-%D7%A2%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%99%D7%9F-%D7%A8%D7%91-%D7%91%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%A7-%D7%94%D7%99%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%90%D7%9C%D7%99/
Nice!
Post by: Wandering Israeli on February 09, 2016, 07:15:03 AM
ANA might be interested in flights.They have been mentioning direct flights for awhile already but it doesn't look like it will happen anytime in the foreseeable future
http://www.port2port.co.il/article/%D7%94%D7%95%D7%91%D7%9C%D7%94-%D7%90%D7%95%D7%95%D7%99%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%AA/%D7%97%D7%91%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%AA%D7%A2%D7%95%D7%A4%D7%94/%D7%90%D7%A0%D7%94-%D7%9E%D7%92%D7%9C%D7%94-%D7%A2%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%99%D7%9F-%D7%A8%D7%91-%D7%91%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%A7-%D7%94%D7%99%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%90%D7%9C%D7%99/
Post by: Emkay on February 09, 2016, 07:25:52 AM
does Hainan partner with anyone?
Post by: a mirrer on February 09, 2016, 08:50:44 AM
http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4763651,00.htmlalaska (https://www.alaskaair.com/content/mileage-plan/partners/hainan.aspx) early 2016
does Hainan partner with anyone?
Post by: D93 on February 09, 2016, 08:56:12 AM
alaska (https://www.alaskaair.com/content/mileage-plan/partners/hainan.aspx) early 2016
You can use AS even though it doesn't touch USA?
Post by: high end hobo on February 09, 2016, 11:06:23 AM
You can use AS even though it doesn't touch USA?Depends which region, often it'll have to be booked as a RT
Post by: Drago on February 18, 2016, 05:38:58 AM
via AMM
So they now have BKK, HKG, KUL and this
Post by: SLMYRCB on February 18, 2016, 06:07:14 AM
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-royal-jordanian-to-launch-tel-aviv-china-flights-1001103371This TLV-AMM keeps becoming more and more of a bottle neck.
via AMM
So they now have BKK, HKG, KUL and this
...if only the CX plans materialise *hopeful*.
Post by: D93 on February 18, 2016, 06:09:04 AM
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-royal-jordanian-to-launch-tel-aviv-china-flights-1001103371
via AMM
So they now have BKK, HKG, KUL and this
Nice, but why the need for the stop in BKK?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 18, 2016, 08:03:05 AM
Post by: Drago on February 18, 2016, 08:11:03 AM
Nice, but why the need for the stop in BKK?Probably to alternate the days btw continuing onto HKG via BKK
I guess their load isn't high enough to justify a single flight to either of the locations
What's with the CX flight?Haven't heard anything since last year, and I don't think they're marketing flights yet.
Post by: a mirrer on February 25, 2016, 08:07:40 AM
alaska (https://www.alaskaair.com/content/mileage-plan/partners/hainan.aspx) early 2016award bookings available from march 30
ht milecards (https://www.alaskaair.com/content/mileage-plan/partners/Hainan.aspx)
wonder if they'll let tlv-pek
Post by: Emkay on March 16, 2016, 01:44:47 PM
Post by: SLMYRCB on March 16, 2016, 02:24:24 PM
Just noticed that CMB isn't going up in the devaluation since its moving from Asia to ME/IS.It's going down.
I acctualy thought that was your cheshbon, you don't have to deal with all this booking early tircha.
Post by: Emkay on March 16, 2016, 02:32:31 PM
It's going down.Its staying the same in J.
I acctualy thought that was your cheshbon, you don't have to deal with all this booking early tircha.
Just realized today.
Post by: Drago on March 16, 2016, 03:01:07 PM
Its staying the same in J.Cool, where did you see that?
Just realized today.
Post by: Emkay on March 16, 2016, 03:07:43 PM
Cool, where did you see that?You know where I saw it but either way Here. (http://www.milevalue.com/these-five-countries-are-changing-regions-on-american-airlines-devaaluation-day/)
Post by: benjie1305 on March 16, 2016, 03:08:36 PM
You know where I saw it but either way Here. (http://www.milevalue.com/these-five-countries-are-changing-regions-on-american-airlines-devaaluation-day/)
Lol.
Post by: Drago on March 16, 2016, 03:09:19 PM
You know where I saw it but either way Here. (http://www.milevalue.com/these-five-countries-are-changing-regions-on-american-airlines-devaaluation-day/)Need to show MV some lovin...
Post by: Emkay on April 25, 2016, 03:23:34 PM
Hahn Air is barely an airline and only has flights from Germany and Armavia has been out of service for 3 years, and im pretty sure none of those operate that aircraft.
Post by: high end hobo on April 25, 2016, 04:33:56 PM
Can someone please explain this to me?thats precisely it, they aren't much of an airline but they give a reservation system to dozens of other (mainly Low cost carriers) airlines, see https://www.hahnair.com/en/public/about-hahn-air
Hahn Air is barely an airline and only has flights from Germany and Armavia has been out of service for 3 years, and im pretty sure none of those operate that aircraft.
As for Armavia, I'm not sure
Post by: Emkay on April 25, 2016, 04:37:38 PM
thats precisely it, they aren't much of an airline but they give a reservation system to dozens of other (mainly Low cost carriers) airlines, see https://www.hahnair.com/en/public/about-hahn-airI know what they do but that still doesn't explain it.
As for Armavia, I'm not sure
Either way I believe I figured it out. It's likely TUS Airways
Post by: shimino1 on April 26, 2016, 04:57:47 AM
I know what they do but that still doesn't explain it.Isn't that supposed to fly to Haifa?
Either way I believe I figured it out. It's likely TUS Airways
Post by: Emkay on April 26, 2016, 05:00:00 AM
Isn't that supposed to fly to Haifa?I believe both.
Post by: Emkay on July 11, 2016, 06:31:24 PM
Post by: Daniel on August 18, 2016, 10:52:51 AM
What is the cheapest TLV-Europe route for award flights? Is it still Avios?
Post by: Drago on August 18, 2016, 04:20:18 PM
Hi,If direct flight, then BA is good.
What is the cheapest TLV-Europe route for award flights? Is it still Avios?
EY also has good deals if you can get them to book.
And don't forget the AF promos, you can often find good deals from that.
For J, then LH Israeli accounts are a good value.
Post by: rochk123 on August 18, 2016, 05:30:01 PM
Hi,
What is the cheapest TLV-Europe route for award flights? Is it still Avios?
How does you search BA Awards for flights to directly to Europe?
Anytime I try to search from TLV - a different city in Europe it always take me through LHR.
Post by: Tom Brady on August 18, 2016, 06:02:15 PM
How does you search BA Awards for flights to directly to Europe?That's probably all what's available on the dates that you searched then. If you want a direct flight to Europe using avios other than BA to London, all of the options that I can think of offhand are: AB to TXL or DUS, Niki to VIE, Iberia to MAD, and Finnair to HEL.
Anytime I try to search from TLV - a different city in Europe it always take me through LHR.
Post by: Drago on August 18, 2016, 06:02:21 PM
How does you search BA Awards for flights to directly to Europe?it'll show you both options
Anytime I try to search from TLV - a different city in Europe it always take me through LHR.
you may need to scroll down a bit
Post by: high end hobo on August 18, 2016, 10:37:57 PM
That's probably all what's available on the dates that you searched then. If you want a direct flight to Europe using avios other than BA to London, all of the options that I can think of offhand are: AB to TXL or DUS, Niki to VIE, Iberia to MAD, and Finnair to HEL.They dropped that route CMIIW
Post by: shimino1 on August 19, 2016, 04:23:29 AM
That's probably all what's available on the dates that you searched then. If you want a direct flight to Europe using avios other than BA to London, all of the options that I can think of offhand are: AB to TXL or DUS, Niki to VIE, Iberia to MAD, and Finnair to HEL.Don't forget AB to MUC
Post by: Tom Brady on August 19, 2016, 05:21:39 AM
They dropped that route CMIIWYa it looks like they did. Thanks, I didn't know.
Don't forget AB to MUCI don't think they fly that route, CMIIW.
ETA: It also looks like Niki dropped their route to TLV
Post by: philbenjoe on September 21, 2016, 06:45:06 PM
Post by: shimino1 on September 21, 2016, 09:46:39 PM
What are my best options for TLV - SYD/MEL? AA doesn't seem to have any seats. *A? TIASearch each segment on it's own
TLV-AMM usually only has Business class.
Post by: Emkay on September 21, 2016, 09:51:14 PM
usuallyalways.
Post by: mmm740 on September 21, 2016, 09:59:27 PM
What are my best options for TLV - SYD/MEL? AA doesn't seem to have any seats. *A? TIA60k United in business or 35k economy, routing via IST or anywhere in Europe.
Post by: mmm740 on September 21, 2016, 09:59:38 PM
Post by: philbenjoe on September 22, 2016, 02:00:15 AM
Search each segment on it's ownwhat routing?
60k United in business or 35k economy, routing via IST or anywhere in Europe.thanks I'll check.
Post by: shimino1 on September 22, 2016, 08:11:11 AM
what routing?
TLV-AMM, AMM-XXX, XXX-SYD. Price= 45,000 AA miles
Post by: mmm740 on September 22, 2016, 08:27:08 AM
TLV-AMM, AMM-XXX, XXX-SYD. Price= 45,000 AA miles-1
Y - 42.5k
J - 80k
F - 100k
Post by: elya on September 22, 2016, 09:01:13 AM
-1He's still on the old award chart..
Y - 42.5k
J - 80k
F - 100k
Post by: shimino1 on September 22, 2016, 05:55:23 PM
He's still on the old award chart..You're right.
Forgot they ruined that one....
Post by: efflpetzel on September 23, 2016, 01:52:41 AM
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4858058,00.htmlNever gonna happen.
Post by: SLMYRCB on September 23, 2016, 06:31:11 AM
Never gonna happen.I'm still banking on Cathay and/or China Airlines
Post by: shauly on September 23, 2016, 08:46:24 AM
I'm still banking on Cathay and/or China Airlines
Cathay at least announced the route, but mid 2016 has come and gone with nothing. :'(
Wasn't there something about Hainan at one point also?
Post by: Emkay on September 23, 2016, 08:49:26 AM
They currently fly.
Wasn't there something about Hainan at one point also?
Post by: shauly on September 23, 2016, 08:50:45 AM
They currently fly.
Ah, right. ;)
Post by: high end hobo on September 27, 2016, 08:46:22 PM
Post by: SLMYRCB on September 27, 2016, 08:50:40 PM
A Israeli Ambassador to the far east told me that the QF route is likely happening and that he/she has been trying for a direct SQ flight for yearsSounds like United
Post by: a mirrer on October 10, 2016, 08:43:53 AM
A Israeli Ambassador to the far east told me that the QF route is likely happening and that he/she has been trying for a direct SQ flight for yearsSQ just put in a request for slots at TLV
http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4865340,00.html
Post by: chff on October 10, 2016, 11:34:28 AM
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=35885.1110 (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=35885.1110)
Post by: mmm740 on October 26, 2016, 05:07:47 AM
Post by: Mech on October 26, 2016, 05:41:33 AM
http://pointmetotheplane.boardingarea.com/2016/10/26/cathay-pacific-tel-aviv-hong-kong/
Post by: chff on October 26, 2016, 07:22:40 AM
Here's another article on the new long awaited CX HKG-TLV route.Now it has a date already...
http://pointmetotheplane.boardingarea.com/2016/10/26/cathay-pacific-tel-aviv-hong-kong/
Post by: SLMYRCB on October 26, 2016, 07:24:35 AM
Now it has a date already......and tickets are for sale
Post by: tavster on October 27, 2016, 03:51:58 AM
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-air-india-to-launch-tel-aviv-flights-1001157652 (http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-air-india-to-launch-tel-aviv-flights-1001157652)
Post by: efflpetzel on October 27, 2016, 12:28:30 PM
Post by: SLMYRCB on October 27, 2016, 12:41:33 PM
Elal will get Hammered by the new competitionOr...
They'll have to live up to it.
What?! Crazy, I know. Ridiculous capitalism.
Post by: high end hobo on October 28, 2016, 01:00:01 PM
Elal will get Hammered by the new competitionGood thing they're getting new 787s next year, I wonder what their J/F product will be
Post by: efflpetzel on October 28, 2016, 01:16:48 PM
Good thing they're getting new 787s next year, I wonder what their J/F product will beI think we all know the answer to that question
Post by: Emkay on November 08, 2016, 08:29:43 AM
Post by: Denverite on November 29, 2016, 11:34:24 PM
Air India's chairman says working an a new route to TLV
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-air-india-to-launch-tel-aviv-flights-1001157652 (http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-air-india-to-launch-tel-aviv-flights-1001157652)
I have no desire to go to India but it could be a good Star Alliance option for connections.
Post by: rileywiles23 on December 04, 2016, 10:13:35 AM
It was on a airline that isn't spoken about alot.
Can't seem to find the post. Anybody know where they might be.
Post by: Emkay on December 04, 2016, 10:20:36 AM
Highendhobo recently mentioned a NYC- TLV route that he discovered.Air Serbia.
It was on a airline that isn't spoken about alot.
Can't seem to find the post. Anybody know where they might be.
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=67958.0
Post by: rileywiles23 on December 04, 2016, 10:27:07 AM
Air Serbia.Thanks. That's what I was looking for.
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=67958.0
Post by: Yaalili on December 23, 2016, 06:12:13 AM
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RYANAIR LAUNCHES LOW FARES IN TEL AVIV
23 Dec 2016
DAILY FLIGHTS TO PAPHOS BEGIN IN MARCH
Ryanair, Europe’s favourite airline, today (23 Dec) announced its first Tel Aviv flights, with a new daily service to Paphos (Cyprus) starting next March*, which will deliver 100,000 customers p.a. at Ben Gurion Airport, Ryanair’s 2nd Israeli destination.
From March, Ryanair’s Tel Aviv schedule will deliver:
1 new route to Paphos (daily)
7 weekly flights
100,000 customers p.a.
Ryanair celebrated its new Tel Aviv flights by releasing seats to Paphos for sale at prices starting from just €28.99 for travel in April and May, which are available for booking until midnight Monday (26 Dec).
Ryanair’s Chief Commercial Officer, David O’Brien said:
“Ryanair is pleased to announce that low fares have arrived in Tel Aviv, our 2nd Israeli airport, with a new daily route to Paphos commencing on 28th March*, which will help deliver 100,000 annual customers at Ben Gurion Airport. Our Paphos route will be ideal for both families and leisure customers.
Ryanair customers can look forward to even lower fares when they make advance bookings for summer 2017, so there’s never been a better time to book a low fare flight on Ryanair and we urge all customers who wish to book their summer 2017 holidays to do so now on the Ryanair.com website.
To celebrate our new Tel Aviv route, we are releasing seats to Paphos for sale from just €28.99 for travel in April and May, which are available for booking until midnight Monday (26 Dec). Since these amazing low prices will be snapped up quickly, customers should log onto www.ryanair.com and avoid missing out.”
Post by: davidmal on December 23, 2016, 09:04:16 AM
http://corporate.ryanair.com/news/news/161223-ryanair-launches-low-fares-in-tel-aviv/?market=enso cool wish I could take advantage of this.
Post by: moe8555 on December 23, 2016, 10:44:13 AM
Post by: Emkay on December 24, 2016, 12:20:34 PM
so cool wish I could take advantage of this.Why? One of the least exciting places known to man.
Post by: Drago on December 24, 2016, 01:59:55 PM
Why? One of the least exciting places known to man.
To do a TR on RyanAir
Post by: Emkay on December 24, 2016, 02:03:16 PM
I flew J with them. I'll do a. TR and settle it.
To do a TR on RyanAir
Post by: Z56 on December 24, 2016, 02:23:32 PM
I flew J with them. I'll do a. TR and settle it.
And how bad was it ?
Post by: Emkay on December 24, 2016, 02:26:21 PM
And how bad was it ?Somewhere between the NYC subway and KE F.
Post by: mmgfarb on December 24, 2016, 06:44:58 PM
I'll do a. TRYea right.
Post by: high end hobo on December 24, 2016, 07:21:04 PM
I flew J with them. I'll do a. TR and settle it.They dont have J
Post by: Emkay on December 25, 2016, 01:54:03 AM
They dont have JThat's up for debate, but you can purchase a business class fare as I did.
Post by: moe8555 on December 25, 2016, 02:32:17 AM
That's up for debate, but you can purchase a business class fare as I did.
The "business" seats are simply economy seats in the front with more leg room and priority boarding, right?
Post by: Emkay on December 25, 2016, 02:33:24 AM
The "business" seats are simply economy seats in the front with more leg room and priority boarding, right?Pretty much.
Post by: David Smith on December 25, 2016, 02:39:24 AM
The "business" seats are simply economy seats in the front with more leg room and priority boarding, right?Sounds like short leg domestic J on most American and European flights.
Post by: shimino1 on December 25, 2016, 04:51:30 AM
Nothing much to say, they got me to where the ticket said they would.
Post by: davidmal on December 25, 2016, 12:09:59 PM
Post by: Emkay on December 25, 2016, 12:47:04 PM
I hate the term European Business classWhat would you rather?
Post by: B.D.Da'ehu on December 25, 2016, 12:49:17 PM
What would you rather?Fake J
Post by: davidmal on December 25, 2016, 03:43:19 PM
What would you rather?Pay for coach seat and get a empty seat
Next to me
Post by: mmgfarb on December 25, 2016, 03:56:27 PM
Pay for coach seat and get a empty seatA little too long worded don't you think?
Next to me
Post by: Yaalili on December 31, 2016, 06:47:53 PM
Post by: high end hobo on December 31, 2016, 06:55:49 PM
As of May 2017, Alitalia will introduce a new daily, year round, service on A320, enhancing the very popular Athens - Tel Aviv connection. In fact, Tel Aviv is developing strongly surpassing already the total of 232,000 pax (+29% JAN-NOV’16) while at the same time the operating airlines enjoy high load factors reaching an overall average of 81%.So long story short AZ will start flying ATH-TLV? Or are they just reducing connection time?
Post by: a mirrer on January 01, 2017, 05:54:39 AM
So long story short AZ will start flying ATH-TLV?based on this (http://www.ilgiornale.it/news/economia/alitalia-rimanda-batosta-prevista-nuovo-piano-1347087.html) it seems like its going to be a 5th freedom flight
Post by: high end hobo on January 01, 2017, 10:26:16 AM
Fifth freedom between ATH and TLV
The direct flights from FCO to TLV on AZ are dropping from 5 times a day to 3
Post by: ExGingi on January 01, 2017, 10:36:39 AM
Yes AZ 823 is already bookable.Not such great news for NYC-TLV passengers, as it eliminates some connections. I wish we could see some MXP-TLV flights that could connect to flights to/from NYC.
Fifth freedom between ATH and TLV
The direct flights from FCO to TLV on AZ are dropping from 5 times a day to 3
Post by: plainbachur on January 01, 2017, 10:51:50 AM
can i get a bassinet for baby?
Post by: ExGingi on January 01, 2017, 10:53:15 AM
Hows LY TLV-FCO?It's LY, which is on some people's Do Not Fly list.
can i get a bassinet for baby?
Post by: plainbachur on January 01, 2017, 11:00:14 AM
It's LY, which is on some people's Do Not Fly list.AZ better for that route?
Post by: ExGingi on January 01, 2017, 11:23:13 AM
Hows LY TLV-FCO?Do you need to have your nic updated? ;)
can i get a bassinet for baby?
Post by: chff on January 02, 2017, 07:32:38 AM
AZ better for that route?AZ does not give a bassinet
Post by: Emkay on January 02, 2017, 07:43:00 AM
AZ does not give a bassinetOn any route or specifically that one?
Post by: chff on January 02, 2017, 07:43:55 AM
On any route or specifically that one?This one, and I guess on all short haul routes. Long haul I did get
Post by: zow on January 02, 2017, 02:13:55 PM
I have someone else paying a revenue ticket for me, but I would like to try to save them some money if possible.
Seems that consensus is that the DL JFK-TLV and TLV-JFK flights are the best, because of the hard product and because they are night flights.
I infer that the UA flights EWR-TLV and TLV-EWR are good but not quite as good as DL, with the night UA flights being better (for sleeping) than the day flights.
And everyone thinks that the LY flights are several notches below DL and UA. Is that true universally, even for the LY 747 flights JFK-TLV and TLV-JFK?
(I'm in Boston, but even the nonstop BOS-TLV flights, both overnight, would be suboptimal because the J is angle-flat.)
Lastly, there's AC YYZ-TLV which is nice because it's on the 787, but those are daytime flights.
Opinions (or direction to other threads) welcome. Thanks!
Post by: efflpetzel on January 02, 2017, 04:21:14 PM
Post by: zow on January 02, 2017, 04:38:31 PM
Why don't you consider TK J from Boston, they sometimes have a real J product ist-tlvThanks. I did, but forgot to mention it.
In terms of sleep, the timing of the outbound is pretty good:
BOS-IST, 11PM-4PM, then 6:20PM-7:30PM into TLV.
But the timing on the return is not great, at least for me.
Leaving on Wednesday:
TLV-IST 10:30AM-2:00PM, then IST-BOS is 3:30PM-6:45PM, so not an overnight flight.
Leaving on Thursday would be even more problematic (again, at least for me):
TLV-IST 9PM-12:30AM (Friday Morning)
15Hour layover
IST-BOS 3:30PM-6:45PM (after Shabbat so won't work).
I guess if they had the same schedule on Thursday (i.e., a morning flight TLV-IST) I would consider it, but even so, it's not an overnight flight, which I think is a priority.
Post by: ExGingi on January 02, 2017, 04:39:39 PM
I know it's been discussed ad nauseum, but can I just ask again for advice (or point me to the thread) about flying J between NYC and TLV?I personally prefer the AC or UA afternoon flight TO TLV, as those arrive in the AM.
I have someone else paying a revenue ticket for me, but I would like to try to save them some money if possible.
Seems that consensus is that the DL JFK-TLV and TLV-JFK flights are the best, because of the hard product and because they are night flights.
I infer that the UA flights EWR-TLV and TLV-EWR are good but not quite as good as DL, with the night UA flights being better (for sleeping) than the day flights.
And everyone thinks that the LY flights are several notches below DL and UA. Is that true universally, even for the LY 747 flights JFK-TLV and TLV-JFK?
(I'm in Boston, but even the nonstop BOS-TLV flights, both overnight, would be suboptimal because the J is angle-flat.)
Lastly, there's AC YYZ-TLV which is nice because it's on the 787, but those are daytime flights.
Opinions (or direction to other threads) welcome. Thanks!
DL and UA fares ex BOS are usually lower than ex NYC.
If price wouldn't be a concern I would fly outbound on UA or AC and return on DL.
Post by: zow on January 02, 2017, 04:47:41 PM
I personally prefer the AC or UA afternoon flight TO TLV, as those arrive in the AM.
DL and UA fares ex BOS are usually lower than ex NYC.
If price wouldn't be a concern I would fly outbound on UA or AC and return on DL.
-->>Do you sleep flying to TLV? Isn't it too early to fall asleep, and then you arrive in TLV when your body thinks it's middle of the night?
I'm not seeing lower DL and UA fares ex BOS, except for those that connect through Europe. I'm looking on Google Flights.
-->>Maybe I should look elsewhere?
The DL and UA nighttime return flights seem to be the ones that jack up the prices. I'm not paying but hate to stick it to the people who are.
Post by: ExGingi on January 02, 2017, 04:56:18 PM
-->>Do you sleep flying to TLV? Isn't it too early to fall asleep, and then you arrive in TLV when your body thinks it's middle of the night?Which is why I say that on the outbound UA afternoon or AC are best. You go to sleep a few hours into the flight (never travel without Ambien) and get there in the morning for a full day. Alternatively take a connection for the outbound, a day will be killed no matter what you do, so the connection isn't that bad.
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The DL and UA nighttime return flights seem to be the ones that jack up the prices. I'm not paying but hate to stick it to the people who are.That is indeed the case. The night flight out of TLV commands a premium (for a legitimate reason). I usually use momondo.com and look at individual flights rather than complete tickets in order to find what I want.
Post by: zow on January 02, 2017, 05:03:14 PM
Which is why I say that on the outbound UA afternoon or AC are best. You go to sleep a few hours into the flight (never travel without Ambien) and get there in the morning for a full day.
+1000
That is indeed the case. The night flight out of TLV commands a premium (for a legitimate reason). I usually use momondo.com and look at individual flights rather than complete tickets in order to find what I want.
Ok, I've never gotten the hang of momondo but I'll go back to it! Thanks for the advice.
Post by: Denverite on January 03, 2017, 09:58:41 PM
Ok, I've never gotten the hang of momondo but I'll go back to it! Thanks for the advice.
Love to hear what you end up with and the final cost also ;)
Post by: zow on January 03, 2017, 10:48:33 PM
Love to hear what you end up with and the final cost also ;)Thanks. Below is what I told my host. I'm waiting for his reply.
1. First choice is Outbound AC and Return on DL nocturnally.
2. Second choice is AC both directions.
3. Third choice is El Al (they seem to find that more palatable) but only on LY8 JFK-TLV and then returning LY15 TLV-BOS (as I don't care so much if I'm coherent after I return home for Shabbos :)).
I'll let you know how it shakes out....
Post by: ExGingi on January 04, 2017, 12:17:20 AM
Thanks. Below is what I told my host. I'm waiting for his reply.Option 1 is basically 2 one way tickets. Probably cost prohibitive. Might be more palatable if you'd do AC/UA or UA both ways.
1. First choice is Outbound AC and Return on DL nocturnally.
2. Second choice is AC both directions.
3. Third choice is El Al (they seem to find that more palatable) but only on LY8 JFK-TLV and then returning LY15 TLV-BOS (as I don't care so much if I'm coherent after I return home for Shabbos :)).
I'll let you know how it shakes out....
Post by: zow on January 04, 2017, 02:17:33 PM
Option 1 is basically 2 one way tickets. Probably cost prohibitive. Might be more palatable if you'd do AC/UA or UA both ways.Do you think UA both ways would be better (for me) than AC both ways? I guess if I got the nocturnal UA ex-TLV it would be. How much better are the AC hard and soft product compared with UA?
Post by: Dan on January 04, 2017, 02:23:36 PM
Do you think UA both ways would be better (for me) than AC both ways? I guess if I got the nocturnal UA ex-TLV it would be. How much better are the AC hard and soft product compared with UA?Traveling by yourself?
Post by: zow on January 04, 2017, 03:49:01 PM
Traveling by yourself?Unfortunately yes.
Post by: gurtyb on January 04, 2017, 03:57:03 PM
Post by: chinagel on January 04, 2017, 03:59:32 PM
Looking for some guidance here.. When i search for RT flights from NYC-TLV for sukkot 2017, BA flights with a stop in LHR cost around $1,400. If i manufacture my own connection by booking NYC-LHR and LHR-TLV RTs separately, the cost is like $400 less. Am i missing something here? Any reason not to do this?if your flight gets delayed the airline isnt responsible for the 2nd leg
Post by: gurtyb on January 04, 2017, 04:05:19 PM
if your flight gets delayed the airline isnt responsible for the 2nd leg
Even if all the flights are on BA metal? They won't take responsibility for the delay if they cause a missed flight on their own airline??
Post by: Dan on January 04, 2017, 04:10:38 PM
Unfortunately yes.I'd def go AC in that case.
Post by: zow on January 04, 2017, 04:37:47 PM
I'd def go AC in that case.Very Helpful. Thanks. Is that because of the hard product? The seating is great on AC but so private that couples can't talk?
Post by: Dan on January 04, 2017, 04:38:55 PM
Very Helpful. Thanks. Is that because of the hard product? The seating is great on AC but so private that couples can't talk?UA is good for couples, but flying solo I'd go with the extra privacy.
Also, fewer ATC delays flying via YYZ than NYC.
Though I do like flying via EWR for New Kosher Special :)
But it's tough to spend $40 solo there.
Post by: zow on January 04, 2017, 04:42:43 PM
UA is good for couples, but flying solo I'd go with the extra privacy.Thanks again.
Also, fewer ATC delays flying via YYZ than NYC.
Though I do like flying via EWR for New Kosher Special :)
But it's tough to spend $40 solo there.
I haven't tried New Kosher Special. How could it beat Taam China?!
Post by: ExGingi on January 04, 2017, 05:58:49 PM
I'd def go AC in that case.I fly nowhere near the amount of flying that Dan does, but I value the ability to have a nocturnal flight over some added privacy on AC. If you get the Window seat, or you book a seat in the middle section, you should be able to sleep through uninterrupted.
And though I haven't done many connection via either EWR or YYZ, I personally dislike YYZ for the walking distances.
Just my unprofessional 2 cents point of view and opinion.
Post by: zow on January 04, 2017, 08:37:30 PM
I fly nowhere near the amount of flying that Dan does, but I value the ability to have a nocturnal flight over some added privacy on AC. If you get the Window seat, or you book a seat in the middle section, you should be able to sleep through uninterrupted.Thanks.
And though I haven't done many connection via either EWR or YYZ, I personally dislike YYZ for the walking distances.
Just my unprofessional 2 cents point of view and opinion.
I recognize that rational people may disagree on something like this, because personal preferences, not just objective data, are involved.
Post by: travel agent on January 07, 2017, 02:25:56 PM
TS172 YUL1400 – 0800+1TLV 332 7
TS272 YUL1400 – 0800+1TLV 332 3
TS173 TLV1000 – 1540YUL 332 1
TS273 TLV1000 – 1540YUL 332 4
Post by: yandmk on January 07, 2017, 06:53:25 PM
Post by: yandmk on February 04, 2017, 02:28:02 PM
From: http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-record-air-passenger-traffic-in-2016-1001173702 last paragraph
"Arkia Airlines Ltd. and Israir Airlines and Tourism Ltd. also improved their result, posting a 30% rise in activity: 650,000 passengers on Arkia and 550,000 on Israir. Both companies are expanding their destination maps, with Arkia also planning to fly to New York and Thailand."
Post by: Z56 on February 14, 2017, 08:18:15 AM
Post by: Yaalili on February 14, 2017, 08:26:04 AM
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-air-canada-to-launch-tel-aviv-montreal-route-1001176945
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/106797
Post by: travel agent on February 16, 2017, 07:05:12 AM
Post by: shimino1 on February 16, 2017, 08:58:34 AM
wizzair is starting LTN - TLV 4 times weekly, from JuneThat's big news!
I find Wizz to be the cheapest of the low-cost carriers besides for maybe Rayanair
Post by: Drago on February 16, 2017, 09:31:17 AM
That's big news!And with frequest sales and BOGO
I find Wizz to be the cheapest of the low-cost carriers besides for maybe Rayanair
Post by: moe8555 on February 16, 2017, 09:33:04 AM
I've seen El Al flights via their new auctions for $360 or so -- which includes luggage, a meal, a seat that reclines, and more legroom. And as a Fly Card Premium holder, I could also get a free upgrade to Economy Plus or a preferred/exit seat with even more legroom.
Don't know what the situation is with British, but I'd imagine that prices are similar to El Al.
Post by: shimino1 on February 16, 2017, 09:55:02 AM
I don't know... it says roundtrips start at $170, which doesn't include food, luggage, or a seat that reclines.Other flights on Wizz sell for a lot less then their "starting prices".
I've seen El Al flights via their new auctions for $360 or so -- which includes luggage, a meal, a seat that reclines, and more legroom. And as a Fly Card Premium holder, I could also get a free upgrade to Economy Plus or a preferred/exit seat with even more legroom.
Don't know what the situation is with British, but I'd imagine that prices are similar to El Al.
Suitcase prices on other routes are 12-35$ per way which is very reasonable.
Try finding flights on Elal for less than 500$ anytime outside Dec-Mar.
I don't think Elal gives more legroom.
All said and told, I rather save $150-300 per ticket, fly on a brand new plane instead of a 20 year old plane and if that means picking up a Schwarma on the way to the airport, so be it!
Post by: moe8555 on February 16, 2017, 10:03:15 AM
Other flights on Wizz sell for a lot less then their "starting prices".
Suitcase prices on other routes are 12-35$ per way which is very reasonable.
Try finding flights on Elal for less than 500$ anytime outside Dec-Mar.
I don't think Elal gives more legroom.
All said and told, I rather save $150-300 per ticket, fly on a brand new plane instead of a 20 year old plane and if that means picking up a Schwarma on the way to the airport, so be it!
El Al gives 32" of room I believe (for regular economy). Doesn't Wizz provide 29-30"?
Post by: Drago on February 16, 2017, 12:49:11 PM
El Al gives 32" of room I believe (for regular economy). Doesn't Wizz provide 29-30"?As always, it comes down to a question of what a potentially lesser comfort is worth, and the answer for this is different for each person.
Post by: ExGingi on February 16, 2017, 01:04:59 PM
As always, it comes down to a question of what a potentially lesser comfort is worth, and the answer for this is different for each person.100% correct! There is a market for different styles and preferences.
In the US many people fly Spirit regularly, while many others would rather pay more and fly with an airline.
Post by: moe8555 on February 16, 2017, 02:50:18 PM
If the total cost of flight+luggage+seat with extra legroom+suitable departure time/date was significantly less on a low cost I would definitely consider it.
Post by: shimino1 on February 16, 2017, 09:08:12 PM
True indeed. Personally, the fact that I only fly about twice a year drives my desire to maximize comfort and make the most of the trip. I don't mind paying more (within reason) for added comfort and benefits, as is my situation with El Al and UP due to being eligible for free Y+/exit seats from the Fly Card Premium.It very often is. I have flown Wizz 8-12 in the last 2 years and I think the overall experience is better than Elal. Better flight times, Newer planes, friendlier crew, great on-time performance, all for a much lower price even after you pay for a suitcase, extra leg room and a Hello Teiman Schwarma.
If the total cost of flight+luggage+seat with extra legroom+suitable departure time/date was significantly less on a low cost I would definitely consider it.
Post by: ExGingi on February 16, 2017, 10:21:57 PM
It very often is. I have flown Wizz 8-12 in the last 2 years and I think the overall experience is better than Elal. Better flight times, Newer planes, friendlier crew, great on-time performance, all for a much lower price even after you pay for a suitcase, extra leg room and a Hello Teiman Schwarma.I've never flown Wizz (or for that matter any other "low cost" airline, and while I have flown Spirit, I refuse to refer to them as an airline), but I don't think it should be too difficult to provide a better experience than ELAL. There's a reason I refuse to fly with them.
Post by: moe8555 on February 16, 2017, 11:49:43 PM
I've never flown Wizz (or for that matter any other "low cost" airline, and while I have flown Spirit, I refuse to refer to them as an airline), but I don't think it should be too difficult to provide a better experience than ELAL. There's a reason I refuse to fly with them.
I know I'm definitely the exception here, but i've literally had nothing but positive experiences with El Al. I know it's probably only a matter of time until the statistics catch up with me. But really, I've never had a late or cancelled flight (even my trip to Vienna a few days ago in the midst the labor dispute was unaffected). Service has always been personal and positive. When flying with my children, the staff always had a little "play time" with them in the rear galley. My business class experience was extremely positive, with very personal and dedicated service including lots of "rosh gadol" and preemptive action.
In fact, the only airlines on which I've ever experienced delays and even cancelled flights have been US-based airlines.
Again, I'm not living in la-la land and realize that my number will probably come up at some point. But until then, El Al hasn't given me a reason to not fly!
Post by: ExGingi on February 17, 2017, 12:36:14 AM
I know I'm definitely the exception here, but i've literally had nothing but positive experiences with El Al. I know it's probably only a matter of time until the statistics catch up with me. But really, I've never had a late or cancelled flight (even my trip to Vienna a few days ago in the midst the labor dispute was unaffected). Service has always been personal and positive. When flying with my children, the staff always had a little "play time" with them in the rear galley. My business class experience was extremely positive, with very personal and dedicated service including lots of "rosh gadol" and preemptive action.I know of others like you.
In fact, the only airlines on which I've ever experienced delays and even cancelled flights have been US-based airlines.
Again, I'm not living in la-la land and realize that my number will probably come up at some point. But until then, El Al hasn't given me a reason to not fly!
It might be attributable to where you live, and your expectations from what should be a service industry.
I've had one very negative experience quite a few years ago, and just didn't give them another chance. I just can't get myself to believe that the Israeli mentality will allow them to understand how to run a business in a service industry.
Post by: Drago on February 17, 2017, 12:47:31 AM
I found LY's soft product to be acceptable in relation to other airlines, but their entertainment system in J was pathetic.
And as a traveler with kids, I like the fact that the flights are half children, as it lowers my worries going into it. Sitting in TK/CX/UA J with children caused me worries b/f the flight, while LY's J cabin had a bunch of kids in it.
Post by: ExGingi on February 17, 2017, 12:53:45 AM
I've been blessed to fly both biz class on LY and other airlines, along with LY's longest flight (LAX) in economy, and various LCCs.I've had excellent experience with an infant (just under 2) in J on both DL and SU.
I found LY's soft product to be acceptable in relation to other airlines, but their entertainment system in J was pathetic.
And as a traveler with kids, I like the fact that the flights are half children, as it lowers my worries going into it. Sitting in TK/CX/UA J with children caused me worries b/f the flight, while LY's J cabin had a bunch of kids in it.
Post by: moe8555 on February 17, 2017, 12:55:47 AM
I've been blessed to fly both biz class on LY and other airlines, along with LY's longest flight (LAX) in economy, and various LCCs.
I found LY's soft product to be acceptable in relation to other airlines, but their entertainment system in J was pathetic.
And as a traveler with kids, I like the fact that the flights are half children, as it lowers my worries going into it. Sitting in TK/CX/UA J with children caused me worries b/f the flight, while LY's J cabin had a bunch of kids in it.
I should have mentioned that my J on El Al was to Europe. I've never taken them J long haul and am well aware that their product is highly obsolete.
But for J to Europe, ironically they're one of the best, if not the best on most lines.
Post by: moe8555 on February 17, 2017, 01:01:19 AM
I know of others like you.
It might be attributable to where you live, and your expectations from what should be a service industry.
I'm from the US originally so believe me, I know what to expect :)
I've had very negative experiences with US carriers, both short and long haul. Last time I flew Delta to Israel, the flight attendant spilled food and beverage on me *3* times throughout the flight, only apologizing once. I was not proactively offered any compensation, and my requests were denied. Haven't flown them since, going on a good 8 years now.
I've had flights cancelled on what was then US Airways with little notice, no offer to reroute, no lodging provided. Also delays. Again, have not flown them after the third time or so that things like that happened.
Maybe the US is just angry with me for leaving ::)
Post by: thaber on February 17, 2017, 02:35:00 AM
or discouraging you from coming back.... :P
Maybe the US is just angry with me for leaving ::)
Post by: Emkay on February 17, 2017, 02:40:53 AM
I know of others like you.Like me. I have had nothing but positive experiences. I have had plenty of subpar experiences on other carriers.While people will let a bad experience on DL pass, they wont let one on LY go by without a screaming fight. its almost like people live with the mentality that we need to ensure that LY provides only the worst.
Post by: high end hobo on February 19, 2017, 06:51:44 PM
once they finish adding 787s to NYC you have a new option to TLV in fully lie flat that has good availability (albeit with YQ)
http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4921866,00.html
Post by: ExGingi on February 19, 2017, 06:53:45 PM
Air Europa is upgrading TLV to a 787 starting in July.No good connection to flights to/from NYC (didn't check other US gateways).
once they finish adding 787s to NYC you have a new option to TLV in fully lie flat that has good availability (albeit with YQ)
http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4921866,00.html
This is being targeted as a connection to Latin America.
Post by: shimino1 on February 19, 2017, 07:35:12 PM
Post by: ExGingi on February 19, 2017, 07:58:45 PM
You can spend a day in spain as part of your flight and then it is a good optionIf that is what you want.
Post by: travel agent on February 22, 2017, 12:02:13 PM
LOT will introduce seasonal flights between Tel Aviv-Ben Gurion and Gdańsk, Wrocław, Poznań and Lublin. All flights expected to be on the 737-800s.
TLV-GDN/GDN-TLV once weekly (Saturdays)
TLV-WRO/WRO-TLV twice weekly (Tuesdays, Fridays)
POZ-TLV/TLV-POZ once weekly (Wednesdays)
LUZ-TLV/TLV-LUZ twice weekly (Mondays, Thursdays)
The WAW-TLV/TLV-WAW service is to be extended to 13 flights per week
Post by: ExGingi on February 22, 2017, 01:05:05 PM
new flights from TLV to Poland, starting at less than $150 for round trip, without bags.
LOT will introduce seasonal flights between Tel Aviv-Ben Gurion and Gdańsk, Wrocław, Poznań and Lublin. All flights expected to be on the 737-800s.
...
The WAW-TLV/TLV-WAW service is to be extended to 13 flights per week
What's the schedule for WAW-TLV/TLV-WAW? Will be get better connections to JFK or YYZ?
Post by: travel agent on February 22, 2017, 01:17:47 PM
around 15:30 WAW - TLV
so much better connection now to / from JFK & YYZ
all the new destinations are around 21:00 from TLV & following early morning returns to TLV, so the aircraft is originating from TLV & return
Post by: ExGingi on February 22, 2017, 01:32:45 PM
around noon from TLV - WAWIf only wouldn't be Fake J on that route, it would be a good option.
around 15:30 WAW - TLV
so much better connection now to / from JFK & YYZ
all the new destinations are around 21:00 from TLV & following early morning returns to TLV, so the aircraft is originating from TLV & return
Post by: Dan on February 22, 2017, 01:39:43 PM
around noon from TLV - WAWEff 6/18/17.
around 15:30 WAW - TLV
so much better connection now to / from JFK & YYZ
all the new destinations are around 21:00 from TLV & following early morning returns to TLV, so the aircraft is originating from TLV & return
Post by: chff on February 22, 2017, 01:42:16 PM
around noon from TLV - WAW
around 15:30 WAW - TLV
so much better connection now to / from JFK & YYZ
all the new destinations are around 21:00 from TLV & following early morning returns to TLV, so the aircraft is originating from TLV & return
Eff 6/18/17.
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** AMADEUS AVAILABILITY - AN ** TLV TEL AVIV YAFO.IL 174 TU 15AUG 0000
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LO 155 C9 D9 Z8 P8 A8 R7 J2 /WAW TLV 3 340P+1 830P+1E0/734 15:15
Y9 B9 M9 E9 H9 K9 Q9 G9 T9 S9 V9 W9 L5 U2
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Y9 B9 M9 E9 H9 K9 Q9 G9 T9 S9 V9 W9 L5
LO 155 C9 D9 Z8 P8 A8 R6 J2 /WAW TLV 3 340P+1 830P+1E0/734 15:30
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** AMADEUS AVAILABILITY - AN ** NYC NEW YORK.USNY 187 MO 28AUG 0000
11 LO 156 C9 D9 Z7 P9 A9 R7 J2 /TLV 3 WAW 1145A 245P E0/738
Y9 B9 M9 E9 H9 K9 Q9 G9 T4 S2 V2 W2 L2
LO 026 C9 D9 Z7 P9 A9 R7 J2 /WAW JFK 7 500P 815P E0/788 15:30
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Post by: chff on February 23, 2017, 10:06:40 AM
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LOT'S NEW CONNECTIONS BETWEEN POLAND AND SUNNY ISRAEL
LOT
Warsaw, 21 February 2017 – LOT launches 5 routes from Polish airports to Tel Aviv, Israel’s largest city. New connections from Lublin, Gdańsk, Poznań, Wrocław and additional flights from Warsaw will be offered as early as in June of this year, enabling passengers to comfortably reach one of the most popular holiday destinations in the Mediterranean.
Flights to Tel Aviv will depart from Lublin on Mondays and Thursdays, on Tuesdays and Fridays from Wrocław, every Sunday from Gdańsk and every Wednesday from Poznań. Furthermore, LOT will nearly double the number of connections between Warsaw and Tel Aviv, adding a new day-time rotation on Mondays, Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays and Sundays. Since July most flights will be operated by modern Boeing 737-800 NG aircraft that are scheduled to join LOT’s fleet in a few months’ time. The new connections are offered to meet Israel’s growing popularity among Polish tourists.
“Israel has always been attracting Poles, especially those seeking a unique cultural or religious experience. Its popularity among those looking for relaxation on the coast of the Mediterranean Sea is growing as well. Thanks to the new 737-family aircraft, we will be able to satisfy that increasing demand, offering connections to the very heart of Israel from as many as 5 cities throughout Poland. We are convinced that our proposal will be met with a wide interest of Polish tourists who have not been able to take advantage of so many alternatives so far” – says Adrian Kubicki, Director of LOT’s Corporate Communications.
Israel already ranks as one of the most popular tourist destinations in Poland, and its ratings are expected to continue to improve. Israel owes this position to great diversity, well-developed infrastructure, and weather that encourages sightseeing and relaxation all year round. Tel Aviv Ben Gurion airport is located right next to the country’s main attractions. It is situated in the direct vicinity of the teeming city of Tel Aviv, the historic marvels of Jerusalem, and serves as a gateway for those willing to travel to the Dead Sea, the Mediterranean Sea and the Red Sea.
New connections to Israel mark the return of LOT’s international flights served by Poland’s regional airports. So far, the Polish carrier was only offering a rotation between Kraków and Chicago. In its new strategy, LOT has been planning to take advantage of the potential offered by selected regional airports, and to meet the needs of passengers based on the availability of aircraft with the required range and the sufficient number of seats.
“This year, our fleet will be expanded by 4 Boeing 737-800 NG planes, as well as 2 brand new Boeing 737 MAX 8 aircraft that are capable of carrying over 180 passengers per flight. This will finally enable us to attempt to win the hearts of those travelers who have so far been forced to take advantage of charter flights, or connections offered by the so-called low-cost airlines. While on board of any LOT aircraft, passengers are offered the choice of 3 travel classes – business, premium economy and economy. A wide range of additional products and services is provided too. From now on, the same level of service will be available to passengers traveling from regional airports as well” – says Adrian Kubicki, noting that LOT will also continue to increase the number of connections between Israel and its Warsaw hub.
“We also have some good news for those traveling on business, or those living in different cities that offer no direct connection. Starting from June, we will be flying from Warsaw to Israel twice a day! Additional flights between Warsaw and Tel Aviv will allow us to shorten the connection time to an absolute minimum, thus providing our passengers with an even greater level of flexibility. This applies not only to flights to and from Europe, but North America and Asia as well” – adds Adrian Kubicki.
The airline’s timetable offers comfortable connections and a short overall travel time to passengers flying from Israel and using the Warsaw hub to reach New York , Newark, Chicago, Toronto or Los Angeles. The layover time on selected long-haul flights will be shortened to less than an hour.
Expansion of the network is one of the elements of LOT’s profitable growth strategy that the airline has been implementing since the beginning of 2016. Ever since the Polish carrier has launched flights to nearly 30 destinations, including two long-haul connections to Tokyo and Seoul. LOT is also set to considerably expand its presence on the US market this year. New routes connecting Warsaw with Newark and Los Angeles will be launched in April. Combined with the connection between Kraków and Chicago, LOT will be operating the total of 6 routes to North America in 2017. Thanks to the new flights to Tel Aviv, LOT will be serving as many as 19 weekly connections between Poland and Israel.
Tickets for the new flights are already available via all of LOT’s sales channels, including the lot.com website, LOT Travel and LOT Contact Center offices, as well as travel agents.
Post by: Z56 on February 23, 2017, 05:12:19 PM
Post by: high end hobo on February 23, 2017, 10:27:51 PM
That way you could go ORD-KRK-TLV.
You can do it on LO and LY though
Post by: chff on February 23, 2017, 11:06:05 PM
Its a shame LO isnt flying KRK-TLV
That way you could go ORD-KRK-TLV.
You can do it on LO and LY though
LO & LY sometimes price together. But I only saw LY TLV-KRK as WET LEASE ON BEHALF OF SUN DOR
Post by: high end hobo on February 26, 2017, 10:25:33 PM
LO & LY sometimes price together. But I only saw LY TLV-KRK as WET LEASE ON BEHALF OF SUN DORThey usually do.
I also only saw that, does it make a difference really?
Post by: shimino1 on February 27, 2017, 03:16:19 AM
They usually do.I don't think Sun dor prices with LO,only LY.
I also only saw that, does it make a difference really?
Post by: high end hobo on February 27, 2017, 10:23:19 PM
I don't think Sun dor prices with LO,only LY.Its wet leased by LY so it prices with LO (still haven't seen any good prices though)
Post by: shimino1 on February 28, 2017, 04:42:00 AM
Its wet leased by LY so it prices with LO (still haven't seen any good prices though)Good to know. Thanks.
Post by: Z56 on February 28, 2017, 12:45:23 PM
Hainan adds 5th weekly Tel Aviv - Beijing flight
Globes article (http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-hainan-airlines-adds-5th-weekly-flight-1001178874)
Post by: ExGingi on February 28, 2017, 12:46:41 PM
Hainan adds 5th weekly Tel Aviv - Beijing flightThat flight seems to be of no interest to most people on this forum.
Globes article (http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-hainan-airlines-adds-5th-weekly-flight-1001178874)
"The flight will take off from Beijing on Saturday at 1:55 AM and land at Ben Gurion Airport at 7:45 AM the same day. On the same day, a flight will take off from Ben Gurion Airport at 2:40 PM"
Post by: Z56 on February 28, 2017, 12:49:04 PM
Post by: SLMYRCB on February 28, 2017, 05:26:27 PM
That flight seems to be of no interest to most people on this forum.
"The flight will take off from Beijing on Saturday at 1:55 AM and land at Ben Gurion Airport at 7:45 AM the same day. On the same day, a flight will take off from Ben Gurion Airport at 2:40 PM"
TrueIt can still reduce prices (and open availability) on flights that are relevant to most people on this forum.
Post by: SLMYRCB on February 28, 2017, 05:29:08 PM
Post by: ExGingi on February 28, 2017, 07:09:23 PM
It can still reduce prices (and open availability) on flights that are relevant to most people on this forum.So should we hope, fantasize, or encourage some kind of activity, in order to make those relevant issues happen?
Will other yidden be mechalel Shabbos for any of the possible benefits to occur for shomrei Shabbos?
IMHO the only reason to care about these flights is if it bothers us more that yidden are mechalel Shabbos, and we can do anything to counter that (by increasing our own shmiras Shabbos, or by trying to educate others and help increase shmiras Shabbos).
Post by: SLMYRCB on February 28, 2017, 08:00:40 PM
So should we hope, fantasize, or encourage some kind of activity, in order to make those relevant issues happen?
Will other yidden be mechalel Shabbos for any of the possible benefits to occur for shomrei Shabbos?
IMHO the only reason to care about these flights is if it bothers us more that yidden are mechalel Shabbos, and we can do anything to counter that (by increasing our own shmiras Shabbos, or by trying to educate others and help increase shmiras Shabbos).
It may be very late wherever you are.
I do not assume that more Yidden will be mechalel just because there's a flight to PEK.
Post by: ExGingi on February 28, 2017, 08:23:54 PM
It may be very late wherever you are.
I do not assume that more Yidden will be mechalel just because there's a flight to PEK.
So you are assuming that all the employees working on this additional flight at TLV are non Jewish?
Post by: Luvtotravel on February 28, 2017, 08:25:48 PM
Post by: ExGingi on February 28, 2017, 08:28:50 PM
What would be my cheapest one way points option to nyc non stop?Find availability on one of the airlines that fly the route non-stop, and then figure it out.
My guess is that your best bet might be ELAL Matmid, unless you have a way to get UA saver availability.
Post by: Luvtotravel on February 28, 2017, 08:34:38 PM
Find availability on one of the airlines that fly the route non-stop, and then figure it out.there is saver availability I just thought there might be something cheaper than 42.5k ow
My guess is that your best bet might be ELAL Matmid, unless you have a way to get UA saver availability.
Post by: ExGingi on February 28, 2017, 08:42:21 PM
there is saver availability I just thought there might be something cheaper than 42.5k owIINM AC is 40k.
Aegean might be even less.
ANA with RT workaround(?)
Post by: Z56 on March 01, 2017, 04:10:26 AM
there is saver availability I just thought there might be something cheaper than 42.5k ow
SQ might be even cheaper at 37.5k
Post by: rollingstone on March 01, 2017, 04:12:51 AM
SQ might be even cheaper at 37.5kAegean is 30k
Post by: mend89 on March 02, 2017, 02:30:26 PM
Flights from €49 HFA-ATH and €79 ATH-HAF
Flaying Sunday and Thursday
http://tusairways.com/
They currently fly Haifa to Larnaca-LCA
(and Paphos-PFO and will add Kos-KGS and Rhodes-RHO for summer)
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-tus-to-launch-haifa-athens-flights-1001173932
Post by: SLMYRCB on March 06, 2017, 02:13:04 PM
Is the BA premium economy on this route the old or the new?ETA: it's the new
Post by: ExGingi on March 06, 2017, 02:26:51 PM
ETA: it's the newHaven't been on BA in ages. What's the difference between the old Premium economy and the new?
Post by: SLMYRCB on March 06, 2017, 03:05:33 PM
Haven't been on BA in ages. What's the difference between the old Premium economy and the new?Recline angle and screen size I think.
You can search for old reviews and new ones.
Post by: travel agent on March 08, 2017, 08:44:11 AM
Post by: Z56 on March 09, 2017, 04:35:35 AM
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-british-airways-adds-5-weekly-flights-on-ta-london-route-1001180045
Post by: ExGingi on March 09, 2017, 08:33:50 AM
British Airways adds 5 weekly flights on TA-London routeLove the only comment to this article showing online currently, from a Sid Levine. We need someone else to chime in with a comment complaining about the outrageous YQ!
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-british-airways-adds-5-weekly-flights-on-ta-london-route-1001180045
Post by: Yaalili on March 19, 2017, 08:28:19 PM
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Hainan Airlines are expected to launch direct flights from Shanghai to Tel Aviv in late 2017. Hainan, who just last year launched flights from Beijing to Tel Aviv three times a week, later increasing this frequency to four times a week, are a five-star airline. The launch of the new Shanghai to Tel Aviv route comes after growing demand for flights to Israel from Chinese tourists and growing bilateral business relations. The exact details are still to be confirmed, however, Hainan are expected to launch four flights a week from Shanghai to Tel Aviv, beginning on June 1, 2017.
Post by: gswannabe on March 19, 2017, 08:41:28 PM
Post by: Yaalili on March 19, 2017, 08:44:11 PM
Not sure if this is the right thread but I'm flying to TLV from EWR (May 10th) for lag beomer and just noticed that the outbound flight has the new Polaris product!
Yup, discussed more here.
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=72125.msg1678109#msg1678109
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=74084.0
Post by: travel agent on March 28, 2017, 01:02:26 PM
Post by: Joe4007 on March 28, 2017, 01:47:19 PM
W6 is addingFTFY.SKCKSC & LUZ twice weekly
Post by: Z56 on April 16, 2017, 07:17:19 PM
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-air-malta-to-launch-tel-aviv-route-1001184993
Post by: high end hobo on April 30, 2017, 02:35:30 PM
New route VDA-ARN
ETA: its only on shabbos and begins 10/28
Post by: AsherO on April 30, 2017, 03:14:05 PM
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=76857.0
New route VDA-ARN
ETA: its only on shabbos and begins 10/28
Intentionally?
Post by: high end hobo on April 30, 2017, 09:21:25 PM
Intentionally?
Lol I'm not sure what you mean by that question. When an airline sets its schedules, they put a lot of thought into them.
http://www.sasgroup.net/en/sas-introduces-new-route-to-eilat/
Post by: zow on May 03, 2017, 07:36:57 PM
Post by: Denverite on May 03, 2017, 09:18:39 PM
My LOR just asked me if I had heard about the new Icelandair (or Icelandic , as in maybe WOW?) $500 fares US to TLV, but I can't find anything like that online. Anyone?
Yup Wow air is starting this summer!
Post by: zow on May 03, 2017, 09:27:44 PM
Yup Wow air is starting this summer!Right. But not yet bookable?
Post by: Denverite on May 03, 2017, 10:52:30 PM
Right. But not yet bookable?
I checked right after Pesach and didn't see it available but haven't checked again.
Post by: zow on May 03, 2017, 11:23:12 PM
I checked right after Pesach and didn't see it available but haven't checked again.I checked today. TLV not listed as a destination.
Post by: Denverite on May 04, 2017, 09:36:11 AM
I checked today. TLV not listed as a destination.
It should definitely be coming. Everyone was talking about when I was in Israel for Pesach.
Post by: Z56 on June 12, 2017, 09:22:16 PM
Post by: ExGingi on June 12, 2017, 09:45:04 PM
Lufthansa adds more flights to TLV (http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-lufthansa-adds-five-weekly-tel-aviv-flights-1001191848)would be nice if they would add widebody.
Post by: Dan on June 13, 2017, 12:34:06 AM
would be nice if they would add widebody.+1, they are really uncompetitive in the US-TLV J/F market.
Post by: elya on June 13, 2017, 12:39:31 AM
+1, they are really uncompetitive in the US-TLV J/F market.True, but they are competitive EU-TLV unfortunately.
Post by: shimino1 on June 13, 2017, 08:20:16 AM
Post by: high end hobo on June 16, 2017, 03:49:29 PM
Post by: Kabrams1618 on June 26, 2017, 01:34:54 AM
However do not want to fly through an arab/ muslim country or germany. Any suggestions without huge fuel surcharges such as through london.
Post by: Emkay on June 26, 2017, 01:47:11 AM
Looking to use my aa, united and/ or ba points to fly out of tlv to any tourist destination in Europe.
However do not want to fly through an arab/ muslim country or germany. Any suggestions without huge fuel surcharges such as through london.
I dont think that really exists anymore.
Post by: Kabrams1618 on June 26, 2017, 02:13:28 AM
Post by: David Smith on June 26, 2017, 02:41:22 AM
Looking to use my aa, united and/ or ba points to fly out of tlv to any tourist destination in Europe.IB to Barcelona or Madrid, maybe.
However do not want to fly through an arab/ muslim country or germany. Any suggestions without huge fuel surcharges such as through london.
Post by: shimino1 on June 26, 2017, 02:58:59 AM
Looking to use my aa, united and/ or ba points to fly out of tlv to any tourist destination in Europe.Berlin, Dusseldorf, Vienna, Munich all cost 10k BA with no fuel charges (some of those cities may be seasonal routes). From Berlin you can fly to many cities in Europe for 4.5k BA miles.
However do not want to fly through an arab/ muslim country or germany. Any suggestions without huge fuel surcharges such as through london.
Post by: Emkay on June 26, 2017, 06:22:58 AM
However do not want to fly through germany.
Berlin, Dusseldorf, Munich
Post by: moe8555 on June 26, 2017, 02:56:54 PM
Other choice is Israel - Madrid with Iberia, also low surcharges and low Avios. I believe 20K in business, with a real business class like El Al operates to Europe (perhaps ~45" pitch, footrests, generous recline).
AA would only be worthwhile for Israel to Hong Kong/Thailand, 40K miles for business. A complete waste to Europe.
Post by: Drago on June 26, 2017, 03:32:41 PM
Post by: Yaalili on July 04, 2017, 03:45:28 PM
Post by: Solma on July 05, 2017, 07:30:21 AM
Lufthansa will fly a350 on MUC-TLV for the last 3 weeks in August.
Why are they not selling PE on this route ?
Post by: elya on July 05, 2017, 10:56:57 AM
Lufthansa will fly a350 on MUC-TLV for the last 3 weeks in August.Link?
Post by: Solma on July 05, 2017, 11:11:02 AM
Link?
Check on EF, Starting august 12.
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 05, 2017, 11:42:31 AM
Lufthansa will fly a350 on MUC-TLV for the last 3 weeks in August.What' J like?
ETA 2-2-2. Flatbed?
Post by: elya on July 05, 2017, 11:48:52 AM
Check on EF, Starting august 12.Any idea why they would put it on the MUC route over FRA?
Post by: Yaalili on July 05, 2017, 02:08:09 PM
Any idea why they would put it on the MUC route over FRA?
Seems they are growing their MUC hub, moving over some of the a380s from FRA to there.
Post by: Yaalili on July 05, 2017, 02:09:49 PM
Flatbed?
Yes.
Post by: elya on July 05, 2017, 03:41:01 PM
Seems they are growing their MUC hub, moving over some of the a380s from FRA to there.A380 MUC-NYC?!?
Post by: E-MAN on July 05, 2017, 03:46:42 PM
It looks like the itinerary is cheaper when booking two round trips instead of one with a stopover in each direction.
TIA
Post by: Yaalili on July 05, 2017, 05:09:19 PM
A380 MUC-NYC?!?
No. Beijing, Hong Kong and Los Angeles.
Post by: elya on July 06, 2017, 01:52:28 AM
No. Beijing, Hong Kong and Los Angeles.Ah. Makes more sense.
Post by: Kabrams1618 on July 08, 2017, 02:40:28 PM
Post by: Z56 on July 08, 2017, 02:52:30 PM
I am flying business class from tlv to madrid with long night stopover and then business to Zurich, both flights on Iberia. Will I get lounge access in tel aviv and Madrid? Which lounge will I be able to use in both airports?
Don't understand. Are you leaving in J class from TLV ?
Post by: Kabrams1618 on July 08, 2017, 03:00:03 PM
Post by: hide4 on July 08, 2017, 03:27:11 PM
Yes leaving tel aviv in j class on iberia. Getting into madrid early evening and then flying out of madrid j class following afternoon. Was wondering about lounge access in both tel aviv and madrid and which lounge I could use in both airportsIberia uses the Dan lounge in tlv, iinm.
They have their own lounges in Madrid.
Post by: moe8555 on July 08, 2017, 03:57:20 PM
Yes leaving tel aviv in j class on iberia. Getting into madrid early evening and then flying out of madrid j class following afternoon. Was wondering about lounge access in both tel aviv and madrid and which lounge I could use in both airports
Don't know about Madrid, but you will be able to access the Dan Lounge in Tel Aviv. Just keep your expectations low.
Post by: B.D.Da'ehu on July 08, 2017, 06:30:55 PM
Yes leaving tel aviv in j class on iberia. Getting into madrid early evening and then flying out of madrid j class following afternoon. Was wondering about lounge access in both tel aviv and madrid and which lounge I could use in both airportsIn Madrid you'll get the Iberia lounge which is really nice. (Nice clean showers too)
Post by: ExGingi on July 08, 2017, 10:39:30 PM
Don't know about Madrid, but you will be able to access the Dan Lounge in Tel Aviv. Just keep your expectations low.I don't recall seeing a worse excuse for a lounge than the Dan lounges at TLV. Reflects pretty badly on the Dan brand.
Post by: Emkay on July 08, 2017, 10:43:34 PM
I don't recall seeing a worse excuse for a lounge than the Dan lounges at TLV. Reflects pretty badly on the Dan brand.I guess you haven't been many places besides NY and TLV. Not every lounge has showers and bling. More often than not they are more or less the same as the Dan.
Post by: high end hobo on July 08, 2017, 11:48:32 PM
I don't recall seeing a worse excuse for a lounge than the Dan lounges at TLV. Reflects pretty badly on the Dan brand.You haven't traveled to many different places then.
Dan lounge is pretty standard for a PP/Contract lounge, as a plus they have kosher food
Post by: moe8555 on July 09, 2017, 03:54:50 AM
You haven't traveled to many different places then.
Dan lounge is pretty standard for a PP/Contract lounge, as a plus they have kosher food
The one thing that really irks me with the Dan Lounges is the fact that they hide their liquor. You have to specifically go to the front desk and ask for it -- and it's barely mid-shelf stuff!
Post by: moish on July 09, 2017, 04:17:39 AM
I don't recall seeing a worse excuse for a lounge than the Dan lounges at TLV. Reflects pretty badly on the Dan brand.lol. Dont get out much?
Post by: shimino1 on July 09, 2017, 10:15:26 AM
The one thing that really irks me with the Dan Lounges is the fact that they hide their liquor. You have to specifically go to the front desk and ask for it -- and it's barely mid-shelf stuff!They have Liquor? I have been in there 20 times and don't recall them having any.
Post by: aygart on July 09, 2017, 10:18:13 AM
They have Liquor? I have been in there 20 times and don't recall them having any.Maybe that was because it was hidden
Post by: Baglach on July 12, 2017, 12:57:32 AM
Post by: Emkay on July 12, 2017, 07:12:20 AM
http://m.jpost.com/Business-and-Innovation/easyJet-announces-new-Israel-Italy-routes-499388About time. Maybe the ridiculous LY fares will go down on that route now. I see for around $100 RT.
Post by: Yaalili on July 14, 2017, 07:50:57 AM
Post by: high end hobo on July 20, 2017, 10:53:51 PM
Post by: E-MAN on July 26, 2017, 03:58:13 PM
Post by: gold on July 26, 2017, 04:01:57 PM
Are there any flights departing TLV after 2pm that could get me into NY with a stopover on the same day?
Lot is the latest
Post by: E-MAN on July 26, 2017, 05:04:45 PM
Lot is the latestThe 12:15 flight? Nothing later than that?
Post by: travel agent on July 26, 2017, 05:26:50 PM
Post by: Solma on July 27, 2017, 07:30:20 AM
The 12:15 flight? Nothing later than that?
TK has a flight at 2:15pm arriving in NYC at 10:15pm
Post by: E-MAN on July 27, 2017, 12:36:59 PM
LY direct at 4:00Thanks. Was looking for stopover to keep cost of flight down
TK has a flight at 2:15pm arriving in NYC at 10:15pmThanks. I should've specified I'm not looking to fly through Turkey or Russia.
Post by: AsherO on July 27, 2017, 12:50:39 PM
Thanks. Was looking for stopover to keep cost of flight downThanks. I should've specified I'm not looking to fly through Turkey or Russia.
You want late and cheap, I'm not sure you can afford to be picky...
Most search engines should allow you to sort by departure time and limit duration to find the best options for your date/time of travel and price preferences.
Post by: E-MAN on July 27, 2017, 12:53:26 PM
You want late and cheap, I'm not sure you can afford to be picky...It's a return flight after succos, so direct flights are very expensive.
I have an unveiling Sunday morning at 10am and want to be back in NY for work on Monday.
(hope that explanation helps ;))
Post by: ExGingi on September 12, 2017, 06:18:12 PM
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-hainan-airways-launches-tel-aviv-shanghai-flights-1001204840
http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-5015560,00.html
Post by: high end hobo on October 22, 2017, 11:06:46 PM
An insight here?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 22, 2017, 11:21:25 PM
Whats going on with LY to London? it looks like soon they're pulling the 787 from that route and making THREE! daily flights to LTN with a 737.The LY 787 is doing Newark
An insight here?
Post by: elya on October 22, 2017, 11:24:10 PM
Whats going on with LY to London? it looks like soon they're pulling the 787 from that route and making THREE! daily flights to LTN with a 737.Probably due to the demise of Monarch. Smart move if you ask me.
An insight here?
Post by: Solma on October 23, 2017, 04:48:26 AM
Whats going on with LY to London? it looks like soon they're pulling the 787 from that route and making THREE! daily flights to LTN with a 737.
An insight here?
Where do you see 3 daily flights to LTN ?
Post by: high end hobo on October 23, 2017, 10:08:17 PM
Where do you see 3 daily flights to LTN ?https://www.google.com/flights/#search;f=TLV;t=LTN;d=2018-07-17;r=;tt=o;sc=e;s=0;mc=
Post by: ExGingi on October 25, 2017, 06:55:49 PM
Couldn’t find English version yet.
Air Germania to attempt at filling AirBerlin void. Starting with two weekly flights between TXL and TLV.
https://www.themarker.com/consumer/tourism/1.4548434
Doesn't help us folks in the US at this point, as I don't think there's any connecting flights to/from the US.
Post by: ExGingi on October 26, 2017, 06:26:39 PM
Probably deserves it’s own thread.English article:
Couldn’t find English version yet.
Air Germania to attempt at filling AirBerlin void. Starting with two weekly flights between TXL and TLV.
https://www.themarker.com/consumer/tourism/1.4548434
Doesn't help us folks in the US at this point, as I don't think there's any connecting flights to/from the US.
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-germania-airlines-to-launch-tel-aviv-berlin-flights-1001209249
Post by: shampz on October 27, 2017, 06:19:03 PM
I'm traveling with the family from LAX to TLV next August, and we're trying out some new routes for us. I found a direct LAX-AMS flight on Delta with available business seats (booked with KLM/Flying Blue miles), and we're planning on staying in Amsterdam a few days before continuing on. I'm deciding on the flight from AMS-TLV and would love to hear your advice.
My top 2 options include:
1. Transavia airlines, leaving at 2:20pm and getting into TLV around 8pm. Perfect timing for us, cheapest option.
2. KLM leaving at 9:05pm, arriving TLV in the middle of the night. There are no saver award seats though, so I'd have to pay a high price for one-way tickets, or use 45,000 miles each/135,000 miles total to redeem 3 business class award tickets.
Here's my question: Should I prioritize the schedule and cost and go with Transavia, or prioritize the travel comfort/benefits and burn the miles to fly on KLM? I've never flown Transavia. El Al options are out of my price range.
On the return, I found seats in business on Swiss through Zurich and booked with United/Chase miles.
Thanks
Post by: ludmila on October 28, 2017, 12:00:46 AM
Hi,Ill go with Transavia.
I'm traveling with the family from LAX to TLV next August, and we're trying out some new routes for us. I found a direct LAX-AMS flight on Delta with available business seats (booked with KLM/Flying Blue miles), and we're planning on staying in Amsterdam a few days before continuing on. I'm deciding on the flight from AMS-TLV and would love to hear your advice.
My top 2 options include:
1. Transavia airlines, leaving at 2:20pm and getting into TLV around 8pm. Perfect timing for us, cheapest option.
2. KLM leaving at 9:05pm, arriving TLV in the middle of the night. There are no saver award seats though, so I'd have to pay a high price for one-way tickets, or use 45,000 miles each/135,000 miles total to redeem 3 business class award tickets.
Here's my question: Should I prioritize the schedule and cost and go with Transavia, or prioritize the travel comfort/benefits and burn the miles to fly on KLM? I've never flown Transavia. El Al options are out of my price range.
On the return, I found seats in business on Swiss through Zurich and booked with United/Chase miles.
Thanks
Post by: yandmk on October 28, 2017, 04:59:08 PM
Whats going on with LY to London? it looks like soon they're pulling the 787 from that route and making THREE! daily flights to LTN with a 737.The change comes at the end of March, the day after El Al is starting 787 service to HKG. So I guess that answers your question.
An insight here?
The LY 787 is doing NewarkAnd it's still doing the LHR route...
Post by: efflpetzel on October 30, 2017, 01:02:39 PM
Hi,Transavia no question.
I'm traveling with the family from LAX to TLV next August, and we're trying out some new routes for us. I found a direct LAX-AMS flight on Delta with available business seats (booked with KLM/Flying Blue miles), and we're planning on staying in Amsterdam a few days before continuing on. I'm deciding on the flight from AMS-TLV and would love to hear your advice.
My top 2 options include:
1. Transavia airlines, leaving at 2:20pm and getting into TLV around 8pm. Perfect timing for us, cheapest option.
2. KLM leaving at 9:05pm, arriving TLV in the middle of the night. There are no saver award seats though, so I'd have to pay a high price for one-way tickets, or use 45,000 miles each/135,000 miles total to redeem 3 business class award tickets.
Here's my question: Should I prioritize the schedule and cost and go with Transavia, or prioritize the travel comfort/benefits and burn the miles to fly on KLM? I've never flown Transavia. El Al options are out of my price range.
On the return, I found seats in business on Swiss through Zurich and booked with United/Chase miles.
Thanks
1) your killing the night + flying with children = no fun
2) klm J is just a blocked middle seat, very hard to justify 45k FB for that.
I just flew transavia & had a very decent flight, it was well worth paying extra for the front row seats
Post by: shampz on October 30, 2017, 05:29:35 PM
The other alternative would be 25k Amex points to book an E seat on El Al at 11:45am, which I wouldn't want to do.
Post by: efflpetzel on October 30, 2017, 05:56:09 PM
Thanks for the advice, I'm def going to sell the Transavia flight as our best option to the boss. I now see that I can book the KLM flight in E for only 19,333 Chase points, so that is my cheapest option if we end up taking KLM.Or book Elal with 20k qantas
The other alternative would be 25k Amex points to book an E seat on El Al at 11:45am, which I wouldn't want to do.
Post by: yandmk on November 05, 2017, 09:44:01 AM
Post by: moe8555 on November 05, 2017, 09:56:16 AM
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-atlasglobal-to-launch-tel-aviv-istanbul-flights-1001210125
Real J, 8 seat cabin. 36" pitch, 20" width. Also $399 r/t IST-London (business)
Post by: mikebg on November 07, 2017, 12:31:22 PM
Whats going on with LY to London? it looks like soon they're pulling the 787 from that route and making THREE! daily flights to LTN with a 737.
An insight here?
EL AL summer schedule. Actually 2 flights to LTN and 2 to LHR most days of the week. The Luton flights are 739 and the Heathrow vary between 772 and 744, with a 789 on Friday mornings.
Post by: a mirrer on November 08, 2017, 12:48:12 PM
https://www.ajot.com/news/latam-plans-to-serve-tel-aviv-in-2018
Post by: Joe4007 on November 08, 2017, 02:58:17 PM
LATAM plans to start SCL-GRU-TLV in 2018About time.
https://www.ajot.com/news/latam-plans-to-serve-tel-aviv-in-2018
Post by: Denverite on November 08, 2017, 07:02:02 PM
LATAM plans to start SCL-GRU-TLV in 2018
https://www.ajot.com/news/latam-plans-to-serve-tel-aviv-in-2018
And no fuel fees!
Post by: hide4 on November 08, 2017, 08:07:20 PM
Post by: efflpetzel on November 08, 2017, 08:23:45 PM
About time.Any exotic routing to be done
Post by: ExGingi on November 20, 2017, 11:22:40 AM
Besides for what the title says, there are a few more interesting tidbits in this article, such as the history of flights to Israel, and IB switching over to all long-haul configuration on flights to TLV.
Post by: Dan on November 20, 2017, 12:12:52 PM
IB switching over to all long-haul configuration on flights to TLV.z0mg, best spin ever!
They currently have a daily morning A330 and an evening A319 from MAD-TLV.
Effective 3/1 they are downgrading to 1x daily A330 in the afternoon.
Post by: ExGingi on November 20, 2017, 12:22:05 PM
z0mg, best spin ever!Thanks for pointing that out. I haven't flow IB in ages. Last time I did on an some kind of error fare (IINM it was still in the age of paper tickets - definitely before merging with BA) it was a terrible experience, and people around here know what bad experiences do to my relationships with airlines. ;)
They currently have a daily morning A330 and an evening A319 from MAD-TLV.
Effective 3/1 they are downgrading to 1x daily A330 in the afternoon.
Post by: aygart on November 20, 2017, 12:59:39 PM
Thanks for pointing that out. I haven't flow IB in ages. Last time I did on an some kind of error fare (IINM it was still in the age of paper tickets - definitely before merging with BA) it was a terrible experience, and people around here know what bad experiences do to my relationships with airlines. ;)There is only one thing an airline can possibly do to make things better-to fly widebody to TLV
Post by: moe8555 on November 20, 2017, 01:18:32 PM
Thanks for pointing that out. I haven't flow IB in ages. Last time I did on an some kind of error fare (IINM it was still in the age of paper tickets - definitely before merging with BA) it was a terrible experience, and people around here know what bad experiences do to my relationships with airlines. ;)
I flew them last month ORD-MAD-TLV in J on the long leg. No complaints and definitely a redemption bargain!
Post by: yandmk on November 20, 2017, 05:57:39 PM
z0mg, best spin ever!Daily? Um, almost... Sunday, Wednesday and Friday. The other days are 2 a319s
They currently have a daily morning A330 and an evening A319 from MAD-TLV.
Effective 3/1 they are downgrading to 1x daily A330 in the afternoon.
Post by: Dan on November 20, 2017, 07:06:54 PM
Daily? Um, almost... Sunday, Wednesday and Friday. The other days are 2 a319sGuess that will teach me from spot checking GF.
Either way, not a route upgrade. Terrible timing for connections from the US.
Post by: high end hobo on November 20, 2017, 09:02:26 PM
I dont think thats a realistic possibility
Post by: Dan on November 20, 2017, 09:04:05 PM
Post by: efflpetzel on November 20, 2017, 10:29:35 PM
Because?Yields?
Post by: moe8555 on November 21, 2017, 03:18:16 AM
Yields?
Lots of people fly into VDA/ETH just to continue on to Jordan (Petra or Aqaba, which is far cheaper than Eilat).
Post by: high end hobo on November 21, 2017, 10:34:41 AM
Because?Protectionism/security.
I can't imagine a foreign airline ever being allowed to offer an intra-Israel flight, even though they would not have pickup/dropoff rights
Post by: chff on December 03, 2017, 02:36:14 AM
Post by: efflpetzel on December 03, 2017, 03:51:59 PM
With PS's new 777 they will do a rotation to TLV on some days with the 777 or 767 you will will have a true (umm) business class NYC-TLVIf they keep their current prices in J that would be fantastic
Post by: ExGingi on December 03, 2017, 04:12:52 PM
If they keep their current prices in J that would be fantasticWhat makes you think that their 777 business class might be anything one might want to fly?
Yet, if it were priced just a drop over economy, I might take it, just like I took Transaero ע"ה for about $1,600 RT in business. But I would like to see the actual product, before getting excited about it.
Post by: shapsam on December 03, 2017, 04:19:18 PM
What makes you think that their 777 business class might be anything one might want to fly?http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/2017/11/27/ukraine-777-business-class/
Yet, if it were priced just a drop over economy, I might take it, just like I took Transaero ע"ה for about $1,600 RT in business. But I would like to see the actual product, before getting excited about it.
Post by: yelped on December 09, 2017, 08:55:35 PM
https://blog.wandr.me/2017/12/lot-picks-little-route-newark/
Post by: shapsam on December 09, 2017, 09:20:48 PM
New route coming in Summer 2018. Will be helpful for connections to Israel. EWR-Rzeszów, Rzeszów-TLV.Its also a half hour from Lizhensk.
https://blog.wandr.me/2017/12/lot-picks-little-route-newark/
Post by: yelped on December 09, 2017, 09:55:34 PM
Post by: AsherO on December 10, 2017, 09:01:45 AM
New route coming in Summer 2018. Will be helpful for connections to Israel. EWR-Rzeszów, Rzeszów-TLV.
https://blog.wandr.me/2017/12/lot-picks-little-route-newark/
Just came here to post this, keep in mind the EWR-RZE turn will be 1/week, frequency of TLV-RZE wasn't clear.
Perfect for a shortish layover. Anyone see the schedule for both flights? Is it even on the same days?
You sure there's a schedule already (for the RZE-TLV route)?
Post by: yelped on December 10, 2017, 09:21:19 AM
Guess not. That's what I was asking. :)
You sure there's a schedule already (for the RZE-TLV route)?
It does say it will start in the Spring already.
Post by: shapsam on December 10, 2017, 09:51:23 AM
Post by: travel agent on December 10, 2017, 01:55:38 PM
Are there any flights currently between RZE ant TLV like with Wizz or Ryanair?
no
flight details:
Newark - Rzeszów - Newark, begins April 29. 787-8
EWR-RZE Sundays 19:25-10:10+1
RZE-EWR Mondays 14:10-17:40
Tel Aviv - Rzeszów - Tel Aviv, begins March 9, 737-800/737 MAX8
TLV-RZE Saturdays 20:50-23:35
RZE-TLV Sundays 06:06-10:50
Post by: yelped on December 10, 2017, 01:59:11 PM
noOh, well. Doesn't really work then..
flight details:
Newark - Rzeszów - Newark, begins April 29. 787-8
EWR-RZE Sundays 19:25-10:10+1
RZE-EWR Mondays 14:10-17:40
Tel Aviv - Rzeszów - Tel Aviv, begins March 9, 737-800/737 MAX8
TLV-RZE Saturdays 20:50-23:35
RZE-TLV Sundays 06:06-10:50
Post by: hvaces42 on December 10, 2017, 02:43:29 PM
Let me guess...the day after high season ;D
Tel Aviv - Rzeszów - Tel Aviv, begins March 9, 737-800/737 MAX8
TLV-RZE Saturdays 20:50-23:35
RZE-TLV Sundays 06:06-10:50
Post by: travel agent on December 10, 2017, 04:54:46 PM
Post by: ad120 on December 10, 2017, 11:48:42 PM
noWhat a polack!
flight details:
Newark - Rzeszów - Newark, begins April 29. 787-8
EWR-RZE Sundays 19:25-10:10+1
RZE-EWR Mondays 14:10-17:40
Tel Aviv - Rzeszów - Tel Aviv, begins March 9, 737-800/737 MAX8
TLV-RZE Saturdays 20:50-23:35
RZE-TLV Sundays 06:06-10:50
Post by: yandmk on December 11, 2017, 05:48:52 PM
The smart move is that on both routes, they give enough time to travel to Lizhensk and back. Though if only someone can explain to them that if they would make this route connect to TLV with a 4 - 8 hour connection it would be a VERY popular choice among frum jews.
(and nobody try to convince me that flying a wide-body jet to RZE has nothing to do with Lizhensk)
Post by: yandmk on December 11, 2017, 05:52:32 PM
Post by: travel agent on December 11, 2017, 05:58:36 PM
BTW the RZE airport is active all year with a few daily flights to WAW, & few more destinations in Europe.
Post by: yandmk on December 11, 2017, 06:08:03 PM
if it has to do with Lizensk, why is the flight from TLV on Sat.?First of all, it's Motzei Shabbos. Secondly, they likely got the idea from a Jewish TA, but misunderstood the exact details.. (like starting chof beis Adar. GENIUS!!!)
BTW the RZE airport is active all year with a few daily flights to WAW, & few more destinations in Europe.
It also comes at the same time as JFK - BUD (kerestir anyone?) I'm surprised they aren't doing JFK Debrecen instead....
Post by: travel agent on December 11, 2017, 06:12:31 PM
the first RZE - TLV is perfect for those staying for shabos after the yurtzeit
Post by: yandmk on December 11, 2017, 06:23:16 PM
the first RZE - TLV is perfect for those staying for shabos after the yurtzeitTrue.
The JFK - BUD Thursday - Sunday works beautifully for Americans who want to fly to Kerestir for Shabbos, and it's only $702 RT! You can even return from RZE Monday morning for $715 RT!
I think this deserves it's own thread. It has very little to do with Ex-TLV routes
Post by: chff on December 11, 2017, 06:27:19 PM
(and nobody try to convince me that flying a wide-body jet to RZE has nothing to do with Lizhensk)
That's the only plane they have that can cross the ocean
First of all, it's Motzei Shabbos. Secondly, they likely got the idea from a Jewish TA, but misunderstood the exact details.. (like starting chof beis Adar. GENIUS!!!)
They know the Jewish market very well - but they never wanted to move the TLV (from WAW) flight to connect to the US flights as they were sold from local and european connections. This year they added another flight that now has a good connection
It also comes at the same time as JFK - BUD (kerestir anyone?) I'm surprised they aren't doing JFK Debrecen instead....
BUD is a very undeserved route, rumor had it that EK was going to do it as a 5th Freedom route. DEB makes zero scene..
They are missing Kerestir this year
Post by: yandmk on December 11, 2017, 06:34:53 PM
DEB makes zero scene..That was a joke
Kerestir has lately become a very popular destination all year round. There are a few hundred Yidden there on any given Shabbos during the year.
They are missing Kerestir this year
Post by: yandmk on December 11, 2017, 06:37:04 PM
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=87844.new#new
Post by: chff on December 12, 2017, 07:40:24 AM
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/276164/lot-polish-airlines-adds-rzeszow-tel-aviv-from-march-2018/
Post by: travel agent on December 12, 2017, 05:03:21 PM
Post by: yandmk on December 13, 2017, 05:32:47 PM
Reservation opened$101 roundtrip (when booked as 2 one ways)
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/276164/lot-polish-airlines-adds-rzeszow-tel-aviv-from-march-2018/
Post by: shapsam on December 13, 2017, 05:41:13 PM
$101 roundtrip (when booked as 2 one ways)Same as LUZ.
Post by: moe8555 on December 14, 2017, 06:57:12 AM
Post by: ExGingi on January 01, 2018, 07:01:34 AM
https://www.calcalist.co.il/local/articles/0,7340,L-3728593,00.html
Post by: Emkay on January 09, 2018, 05:27:57 PM
Post by: ExGingi on January 09, 2018, 06:08:46 PM
New Wizzair route from TLV-VIE starting in June.4x week
http://www.cityam.com/278444/wizz-air-has-just-announced-new-european-base-vienna-and-17
Post by: moish on January 09, 2018, 06:37:12 PM
Post by: travel agent on January 10, 2018, 01:16:32 PM
4x week
from Dec. its daily.
Post by: Bostener on January 16, 2018, 12:30:21 AM
If Emirates comes in they will kill the market as they did with every city they came in.
BUD is a very undeserved route, rumor had it that EK was going to do it as a 5th Freedom route. DEB makes zero scene..
They are missing Kerestir this year
They just kill every other airline..
Post by: Yaalili on January 16, 2018, 01:42:50 PM
Post by: Yaalili on January 16, 2018, 04:13:18 PM
TLV-EZE might be coming - http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1383863&sid=2308d8d3913c12c981f5f4293f06b7c8
Or not.
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Don’t hold your breath on this to start anytime soon...El Al has much bigger fish to fry in North America and will continue to fly its pax thru codeshare with AR via MAD and FCO
Post by: jose34 on January 17, 2018, 04:06:07 PM
Any real indication that IAD might be the next in line for a direct TLV flight?
Post by: yitrap on January 17, 2018, 04:35:44 PM
Dan mentioned a few weeks ago the next possible North America route might be IAD or ORD.Population of jews living in the area.
Any real indication that IAD might be the next in line for a direct TLV flight?
Post by: jose34 on January 17, 2018, 06:47:18 PM
https://www.touristisrael.com/full-list-flights-tel-aviv-israel/12331/
Post by: Dan on January 17, 2018, 06:48:51 PM
I am sure there are many lists, but I just thought this was a good ex airport to TLV list for all flight flying into TLV.Wikipedia has this for just about every airport in the world.
https://www.touristisrael.com/full-list-flights-tel-aviv-israel/12331/
Post by: coralsnake on January 17, 2018, 06:58:40 PM
Wikipedia has this for just about every airport in the world.Yup. An invaluable resource for finding which airlines fly out of any given airport to which destinations.
Post by: Yaalili on January 17, 2018, 07:29:46 PM
Yup. An invaluable resource for finding which airlines fly out of any given airport to which destinations.
And used to be much more valuable when they had terminals listed too.
Post by: chff on January 17, 2018, 07:46:54 PM
And used to be much more valuable when they had terminals listed too.Many Airports still have
Post by: Yaalili on January 17, 2018, 08:12:29 PM
Many Airports still have
In the US? Which major airports still list terminal?
Post by: chff on January 17, 2018, 08:15:30 PM
In the US? Which major airports still list terminal?Wow, realizing now
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/799927249
→Passenger: we do no longer state terminals
Post by: chff on January 17, 2018, 08:16:53 PM
Post by: Yaalili on January 17, 2018, 08:48:04 PM
Wow, realizing now
Yup, was discussed here - http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1361733. The terminal feature was very useful when they had it.
Post by: travel agent on January 18, 2018, 08:54:50 AM
I am sure there are many lists, but I just thought this was a good ex airport to TLV list for all flight flying into TLV.
https://www.touristisrael.com/full-list-flights-tel-aviv-israel/12331/
its not fully updated, some countries are missing.
Post by: zow on January 21, 2018, 06:22:10 AM
Post by: travel agent on January 21, 2018, 06:54:46 AM
is it for tomorrow? if so you can change for free for an earlier connection
Post by: ExGingi on January 21, 2018, 07:33:20 AM
We are booked on AC85, TLV-YYZ, scheduled to arrive at 16:55. We have a separate ticket YYZ- BOS that departs at 20:55. Avoiding checked luggage TLV-YYZ is obviously preferable in terms of minimizing the chance of missing our flight. But if I do need to check a bag, how much time am I adding to claim and recheck and clear security and US immigration/customs? The only difference I can see between my situation and a typical situation (i.e., having a single ticket TLV-YYZ-BOS) is that in the latter, my checked luggage gets screened behind the scenes by security and customs, but I still personally need to go through security, immigration and customs.You didn't mention which airline is your YYZ-BOS flight. If AC, you should be able to check all the way through.
Post by: Yaalili on January 21, 2018, 08:11:32 AM
You didn't mention which airline is your YYZ-BOS flight. If AC, you should be able to check all the way through.
Should be AC #7678 on E175.
Post by: zow on January 22, 2018, 07:28:43 PM
you can still check in your bag all the way TLV - BOS, just show your connection for the desk in TLV.
is it for tomorrow? if so you can change for free for an earlier connection
It's actually next week.
You didn't mention which airline is your YYZ-BOS flight. If AC, you should be able to check all the way through.
Should be AC #7678 on E175.
It's booked as UA8530, but indeed it is AC 7678.
Here's the deal: As at least one other person encountered, during the glitch, I couldn't get the same-day connecting flight to price out, so I ended up with a 13-hour layover in Toronto. I was hoping for a schedule change that would allow me to reschedule to a same-day connecting flight, but no luck. I didn't think I would have much success getting an AC agent, either in TLV or in YYZ, to switch me to the same-day connecting flight. Also, it seems that you can fly standby for a flight but only same-day. So, instead of accepting the painful layover and early morning departure from YYZ, I bit the bullet and bought separate tickets for the YYZ-BOS leg. With 50,000 MR (and then getting 25,000 back), I bought the four through Amex. Effectively, I'm doing HC on the original booking and then using a legitimately purchased ticket for the connecting flight.
So you see, I can't check luggage all the way through. I need to claim it as if I'm spending the night in Toronto, and then recheck it. Or, as I said, probably safest if I can avoid checked luggage altogether.
It would have been a lot easier if AC would have just changed the darn flight for me, but they wanted change fee plus repricing of the original ticket.
Post by: ExGingi on January 22, 2018, 08:27:59 PM
You all are great. Thanks so much. See below.Maybe if you can show a ticket returning from BOS to YYZ the same day, it can be explained that you actually need to be in BOS and YYZ at those times and then go back to BOS, and it just priced better as separate tickets. (Get BOS-YYZ that you can cancel penalty free).
It's actually next week.
It's booked as UA8530, but indeed it is AC 7678.
Here's the deal: As at least one other person encountered, during the glitch, I couldn't get the same-day connecting flight to price out, so I ended up with a 13-hour layover in Toronto. I was hoping for a schedule change that would allow me to reschedule to a same-day connecting flight, but no luck. I didn't think I would have much success getting an AC agent, either in TLV or in YYZ, to switch me to the same-day connecting flight. Also, it seems that you can fly standby for a flight but only same-day. So, instead of accepting the painful layover and early morning departure from YYZ, I bit the bullet and bought separate tickets for the YYZ-BOS leg. With 50,000 MR (and then getting 25,000 back), I bought the four through Amex. Effectively, I'm doing HC on the original booking and then using a legitimately purchased ticket for the connecting flight.
So you see, I can't check luggage all the way through. I need to claim it as if I'm spending the night in Toronto, and then recheck it. Or, as I said, probably safest if I can avoid checked luggage altogether.
It would have been a lot easier if AC would have just changed the darn flight for me, but they wanted change fee plus repricing of the original ticket.
Post by: zow on January 22, 2018, 09:10:49 PM
Maybe if you can show a ticket returning from BOS to YYZ the same day, it can be explained that you actually need to be in BOS and YYZ at those times and then go back to BOS, and it just priced better as separate tickets. (Get BOS-YYZ that you can cancel penalty free).
It is a great suggestion, but I don’t think it will be plausible.
We are booked (with the UA ticket) on the last possible flight YYZ-BOS on Wednesday night and on the first possible flight (with the original AC ticket) on Thursday morning. There is no commercial flight BOS-YYZ after we arrive in BOS late Wednesday night.
Post by: geshmak1 on January 22, 2018, 11:16:52 PM
Post by: zow on January 23, 2018, 01:11:30 PM
We just did this last week. Our original itinerary, booked with the glitch, had an overnight stay in Toronto. Ended up booking separate ticket, 9 pm to Newark.when I checked my bags in tlv, I asked if they can tag it straight to ewr, the agent told me I should have arrived at airport earlier and gone to a different desk (before security) and they would have done it for me, but now it's too late. (When I checked in in tlv, only the tlv-yyz boarding passes printed, whereas on the way to tlv, when we checked in in ewr, both sets of boarding passes automatically printed)But when we landed in yyz, anyone we spoke with did not understand why our bags weren't tagged straight through. No one cared that my original itinerary had flight scheduled for the next morning. Also, if you don't tag bags through when you check in in tlv, you may need to pay a baggage fee in yyz, as that separate ticket is not considered an international flight.
Totally helpful data point. Thank you.
Was anticipating the need to pay for the bag YYZ-BOS, but would be nice to avoid it!
Helpful to hear that no one in TLV was bothered by the fact that you were effectively dumping the last leg of the original ticket.
I'm not surprised the undesired second leg of the trip (YYZ-EWR) didn't print in TLV...it was probably more than 24h before departure time!
Sounds like we need to get to TLV early.
Any idea what different desk the agent meant?
Post by: Ergel on January 23, 2018, 02:24:34 PM
Post by: geshmak1 on January 23, 2018, 05:36:52 PM
Totally helpful data point. Thank you.I don't know which desk she meant, but it was not the regular place where you check your bags after the first security point. When we landed in yyz, went through the connections hallway. There was an agent at the entrance helping people who were flying to BOS. She printed our Yyz-ewr boarding passes and told us that because we flew in from tlv we should not have to pay. And when we checked our luggage (after claiming them, going thru Canadian customs), there was no mention of any fees.
Was anticipating the need to pay for the bag YYZ-BOS, but would be nice to avoid it!
Helpful to hear that no one in TLV was bothered by the fact that you were effectively dumping the last leg of the original ticket.
I'm not surprised the undesired second leg of the trip (YYZ-EWR) didn't print in TLV...it was probably more than 24h before departure time!
Sounds like we need to get to TLV early.
Any idea what different desk the agent meant?
As a side point, they somehow tagged one of my suitcases to Dallas to a passenger named Rashid...was quite a story straightening it all out. :)
Post by: zow on January 23, 2018, 06:55:33 PM
I doubt they'll tag your bags through, DROCIAFair enough. The only risk in trying is that they'll suspect I'm dumping the last leg of the original ticket. Sounds like that's not too risky.
I don't know which desk she meant, but it was not the regular place where you check your bags after the first security point. When we landed in yyz, went through the connections hallway. There was an agent at the entrance helping people who were flying to BOS. She printed our Yyz-ewr boarding passes and told us that because we flew in from tlv we should not have to pay. And when we checked our luggage (after claiming them, going thru Canadian customs), there was no mention of any fees.
As a side point, they somehow tagged one of my suitcases to Dallas to a passenger named Rashid...was quite a story straightening it all out. :)
So even though you had bags checked to YYZ, you still went through the Connection to US Corridor, and they were able to get your bag to you, allow you to go through Canadian Customs, and then recheck them?! I wouldn't have expected that to work out, but I'm glad to hear.
Post by: geshmak1 on January 23, 2018, 07:35:31 PM
Fair enough. The only risk in trying is that they'll suspect I'm dumping the last leg of the original ticket. Sounds like that's not too risky.We did not go all the way through. Right after we went through the doors, to the left of the corridor (where they check your boarding pass) was an agent at a desk. She printed our boarding passes, sent us thru Canadian customs, then to get our luggage. Then back to the regular check in, thru security, thru us customs(that's when they realized our bag was being sent to Dallas!) and then to the gate. Was a bit of a hassle...but def beats overnight in Toronto when we've been away for a week and just want to get home. Not once was I asked about my flight the next morning, both in tlv and yyz. Had we been able to tag our bags thru to ewr at tlv would have been much simpler. But at $325 a ticket, I'm not complaining.
So even though you had bags checked to YYZ, you still went through the Connection to US Corridor, and they were able to get your bag to you, allow you to go through Canadian Customs, and then recheck them?! I wouldn't have expected that to work out, but I'm glad to hear.
Post by: zow on January 23, 2018, 07:37:11 PM
We did not go all the way through. Right after we went through the doors, to the left of the corridor (where they check your boarding pass) was an agent at a desk. She printed our boarding passes, sent us thru Canadian customs, then to get our luggage. Then back to the regular check in, thru security, thru us customs(that's when they realized our bag was being sent to Dallas!) and then to the gate. Was a bit of a hassle...but def beats overnight in Toronto when we've been away for a week and just want to get home. Not once was I asked about my flight the next morning, both in tlv and yyz. Had we been able to tag our bags thru to ewr at tlv would have been much simpler. But at $325 a ticket, I'm not complaining.We see things exactly the same way. Thanks for taking the time to share your information.
Post by: geshmak1 on January 23, 2018, 07:49:20 PM
Post by: chff on January 25, 2018, 03:36:51 PM
Post by: ExGingi on January 29, 2018, 11:54:59 AM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-28/qatar-agrees-to-transparency-to-resolve-u-s-airline-dispute
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Qatar Airways will commit to [...] not run any indirect flights to the U.S. through other countries
Post by: Dan on January 29, 2018, 12:28:45 PM
I guess this dashes any hopes for a good fifth freedom flight. ;)Erm, why this thread?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-28/qatar-agrees-to-transparency-to-resolve-u-s-airline-dispute
Post by: ExGingi on January 29, 2018, 03:07:02 PM
Erm, why this thread?Just because I was in a good mood, so I figured I'd put it in the most unexpected thread. And after all, I added context.
Post by: Bostener on January 30, 2018, 07:09:27 AM
Erm, why this thread?
Because ExTLV is the only route that isn't effected by the Gluf carriers.
Post by: ExGingi on January 30, 2018, 04:48:03 PM
Because ExTLV is the only route that isn'tFtfyeffected by the Gluf carrierslikely to ever get a fifth freedom flight.
Post by: aygart on January 30, 2018, 05:22:08 PM
FtfyI thought you would write because a fifth freedom is the only way to use the gulf carriers to TLV without adding a second stopover.
Post by: ExGingi on February 04, 2018, 04:57:18 AM
Any better source on Arkia flying to NY?
From: http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-record-air-passenger-traffic-in-2016-1001173702 last paragraph
"Arkia Airlines Ltd. and Israir Airlines and Tourism Ltd. also improved their result, posting a 30% rise in activity: 650,000 passengers on Arkia and 550,000 on Israir. Both companies are expanding their destination maps, with Arkia also planning to fly to New York and Thailand."
Well, now we presumably have a schedule and fares for TLV-BKK flights on Arkia.
Sorry, only Hebrew sources so far. Seems like Arkia is leasing a 763 for these flights. July and August service planned for Tuesdays (00:50 eastbound, 19:40 westbound) and unfortunately a second weekly flight on Shabbos, with fares as low as $350 in economy (promo, restrictions etc.), and $999 in business (each way, presumably requiring RT purchase).
http://www.mako.co.il/news-money/consumer-q1_2018/Article-5bfd0f5b0106161004.htm
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001222198
http://m.ynet.co.il/Articles/5083864
Post by: Denverite on February 04, 2018, 07:22:05 AM
Well, now we presumably have a schedule and fares for TLV-BKK flights on Arkia.
Sorry, only Hebrew sources so far. Seems like Arkia is leasing a 763 for these flights. July and August service planned for Tuesdays (00:50 eastbound, 19:40 westbound) and unfortunately a second weekly flight on Shabbos, with fares as low as $350 in economy (promo, restrictions etc.), and $999 in business (each way, presumably requiring RT purchase).
http://www.mako.co.il/news-money/consumer-q1_2018/Article-5bfd0f5b0106161004.htm
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001222198
http://m.ynet.co.il/Articles/5083864
Forgive my ignorance, what does Arkia’s business class look like? Those seem like a amazing rates.
Post by: ExGingi on February 04, 2018, 08:04:23 AM
Forgive my ignorance, what does Arkia’s business class look like? Those seem like a amazing rates.I have no clue.
I doubt if they even have a business class on any of their existing routes. They are leasing widebodies specifically for this route.
TBH, not expecting anything worthwhile.
Post by: moe8555 on February 04, 2018, 11:07:58 AM
Very curious to see what product they will offer, at any rate.
Post by: G11600 on February 07, 2018, 06:54:12 AM
https://www.thejc.com/news/world/flights-between-israel-and-india-to-shorten-after-saudi-arabia-opens-its-airspace-1.458222
Post by: Abelefko1 on February 07, 2018, 08:36:08 AM
Flights TLV-BOM to be reduced by 2 hours as they can overfly Saudi airspace - also opens the way for Air India to flyOpens new possibilities for tlv-mle
https://www.thejc.com/news/world/flights-between-israel-and-india-to-shorten-after-saudi-arabia-opens-its-airspace-1.458222
Curious to see what equipment they’ll use
Post by: tavster on February 07, 2018, 08:41:51 AM
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-el-al-demands-israel-also-grant-permission-to-fly-over-saudi-airspace-1.5803416
Post by: chff on February 07, 2018, 09:50:19 AM
Now ElAl:
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-el-al-demands-israel-also-grant-permission-to-fly-over-saudi-airspace-1.5803416
Can you please post the article?
https://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.com/2018/02/07/saudi-arabia-allows-flights-israel-use-airspace/
Post by: tavster on February 07, 2018, 10:02:38 AM
Can you please post the article?"El Al demanded on Wednesday that Israeli authorities will allow the airline to fly over Saudi airspace following reports that said the Saudis granted Air India approval to operate flights from New Delhi to Tel Aviv over its airspace.
This is the first time the Saudis are allowing flights to Israel to use their airspace.
Following the reports, Michael Strausberger, El Al's recently appointed vice president for commercial and industry affairs, said he expects that the same approval would be given to Israeli airlines
"We at El Al, and I assume that other Israeli airlines share our view, hope and believe that Saudi Arabia will also allow Israeli airlines, who fly from or to Israel – and not only foreign airlines – to fly over its territory," Strausberger said.
"It's clear that there is no difference between an Israeli passenger who flies in a plane that takes off or lands in Israel with a foreign airline or with an Israeli airline," he added, noting that no passenger or airline should be discriminated against.
Strausberger said that El Al has already asked Israeli authorities for such approval. "We approached the prime minister, the Civil Aviation Authority, the transportation minister and the Shin Bet and said that we expect equal opportunity among the carriers."
The new route over Saudi Arabia, which was granted to Air India, has a clear advantage, he stressed. "It will allow airlines to shorten flight durations and will reduce flight costs and as a result lower prices for passengers."
Post by: chff on February 07, 2018, 10:19:24 AM
"El Al demanded on Wednesday that Israeli authorities will allow the airline to fly over Saudi airspace following reports that said the Saudis granted Air India approval to operate flights from New Delhi to Tel Aviv over its airspace.
This is the first time the Saudis are allowing flights to Israel to use their airspace.
Following the reports, Michael Strausberger, El Al's recently appointed vice president for commercial and industry affairs, said he expects that the same approval would be given to Israeli airlines
"We at El Al, and I assume that other Israeli airlines share our view, hope and believe that Saudi Arabia will also allow Israeli airlines, who fly from or to Israel – and not only foreign airlines – to fly over its territory," Strausberger said.
"It's clear that there is no difference between an Israeli passenger who flies in a plane that takes off or lands in Israel with a foreign airline or with an Israeli airline," he added, noting that no passenger or airline should be discriminated against.
Strausberger said that El Al has already asked Israeli authorities for such approval. "We approached the prime minister, the Civil Aviation Authority, the transportation minister and the Shin Bet and said that we expect equal opportunity among the carriers."
The new route over Saudi Arabia, which was granted to Air India, has a clear advantage, he stressed. "It will allow airlines to shorten flight durations and will reduce flight costs and as a result lower prices for passengers."
Thanks - Lucky just posted the story and his link is open to me
http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/2018/02/07/air-india-tel-aviv-flight/
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/in-first-saudi-arabia-allows-flights-to-israel-over-its-airspace-1.5803140
Post by: Abelefko1 on February 07, 2018, 10:40:56 AM
Opens new possibilities for tlv-mle787 per lucky
Curious to see what equipment they’ll use
Post by: ExGingi on February 27, 2018, 06:51:29 AM
Sorry, couldn't find English version yet.
http://www.israelhayom.co.il/article/538485
There's also some buzz about Air India starting DEL-TLV service as early as mid March, based on some Bloomberg article which I didn't find yet.
Post by: zow on February 28, 2018, 01:48:58 PM
Our son Noah is coming back from Israel on El Al flight #15 to Boston, leaving Tel Aviv on Tuesday, March 13 at 12:05am. If you know anyone on this flight, or anyone who knows anyone, it would be very helpful if that person could simply stand in line behind Noah and direct him through passport control/customs/baggage.
Post by: ExGingi on March 01, 2018, 09:00:50 PM
Post by: chff on March 06, 2018, 12:59:43 AM
Latest: #Saudi Arabia has granted Air India permission to fly over its territory on its new routes to and from Israel, according to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
— Alex Macheras (@AlexInAir) March 6, 2018
Post by: Emkay on March 06, 2018, 01:32:42 AM
Route is starting in a few days...https://www.timesofisrael.com/air-india-denies-getting-approval-for-flights-to-israel-over-saudi-arabia/Latest: #Saudi Arabia has granted Air India permission to fly over its territory on its new routes to and from Israel, according to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
— Alex Macheras (@AlexInAir) March 6, 2018
Post by: chff on March 06, 2018, 01:42:20 AM
https://www.timesofisrael.com/air-india-denies-getting-approval-for-flights-to-israel-over-saudi-arabia/This keeps on going back and forth... IIRC correctly they are starting to fly this week, will see what route they fly
Post by: Proisrael on March 06, 2018, 03:39:43 AM
This keeps on going back and forth... IIRC correctly they are starting to fly this week, will see what route they fly
Still cannot buy a ticket though...To start flying so soon means empty planes.
Post by: shimino1 on March 06, 2018, 04:34:24 AM
Post by: Proisrael on March 06, 2018, 05:12:24 AM
Today is the big day. Who will fly on the first Air India flight?
According to Air India still not selling tickets.
Post by: Yaalili on March 06, 2018, 07:28:37 AM
Post by: shapsam on March 06, 2018, 07:57:34 AM
Austrian adding a 3rd daily VIE-TLV flight starting this summer. Afternoon departure from VIE, evening return from TLV.Same type of aircraft?
Post by: Yaalili on March 06, 2018, 10:23:56 AM
Same type of aircraft?
A320 instead of A321 on the other 2.
Post by: ExGingi on March 06, 2018, 12:07:29 PM
A320 instead of A321 on the other 2.:(
If only they would put something with real J on that route, they could prove some real competition to LX and TK (also presumably BA, but who wants to pay outrageous YQ or connect at LHR, I've never flown via VIE, but from what I've heard I'd probably take it over LHR for a connection in a heartbeat).
Post by: aygart on March 06, 2018, 01:25:12 PM
:(VIE was a very pleasant connection, but I am not sure you would like their real J either. i found LX J to be much more roomy and comfortable overall than OS. That may be because of their configuration causing the bulkhead to be worse than a regular seat.
If only they would put something with real J on that route, they could prove some real competition to LX and TK (also presumably BA, but who wants to pay outrageous YQ or connect at LHR, I've never flown via VIE, but from what I've heard I'd probably take it over LHR for a connection in a heartbeat).
Post by: chff on March 06, 2018, 04:58:01 PM
Still cannot buy a ticket though...To start flying so soon means empty planes.
Today is the big day. Who will fly on the first Air India flight?
According to Air India still not selling tickets.
http://livefromalounge.boardingarea.com/2018/03/06/air-india-flight-to-israel-overfly-saudi/
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The flight has still not been loaded in the GDS or Air India’s own reservation for booking yet. I am not worried about that, however, given in the past as well, Air India has just made those announcements sometimes 4 days before the first flight. But this may also indicate that the deal is not in the bag yet and hence Air India is not formally announcing the flight.
Post by: ExGingi on March 06, 2018, 06:02:49 PM
http://livefromalounge.boardingarea.com/2018/03/06/air-india-flight-to-israel-overfly-saudi/So once they pass Saudi airspace, do they enter UAE airspace and is that OK? Or do they just fly over Iran and Pakistan?
Looking into some routes that get extended to avoid certain airspaces, RJ408 seem to take a circuitous route.
Post by: shimino1 on March 07, 2018, 06:51:06 AM
Post by: chff on March 07, 2018, 08:37:45 AM
Flight is live for bookings in GDS's for bookings from the 22nd for both DEL-TLV and TLV-DEL.
Breaking: Air India spokesperson confirms new flights between #Israel and #India and WILL use #Saudi Arabia’s airspace.
— Alex Macheras (@AlexInAir) March 7, 2018
• Flights begin 22 March, Tel Aviv-Delhi.
• Saudi does not recognise #Israel, lifting #airspace ban for Israeli bound jets is first time in 70-years.
Post by: tavster on March 07, 2018, 11:34:21 AM
Flight is live for bookings in GDS's for bookings from the 22nd for both DEL-TLV and TLV-DEL.Shows up as a 8:15 duration on the way to DEL and 6:25 on the way back..
Post by: moish on March 07, 2018, 03:11:51 PM
Post by: Proisrael on March 08, 2018, 03:39:48 AM
Post by: SkinnnyJ on March 08, 2018, 06:35:25 AM
Shows up as a 8:15 duration on the way to DEL and 6:25 on the way back..
Presumably, after avoiding Saudi anti-aircraft fire on the way to Israel, they'll take the long way home.
Post by: Dan on March 08, 2018, 10:26:23 AM
70k Round trip Business with UA or 55k with ANA availability galore.55 with ANA?
Post by: shimino1 on March 08, 2018, 11:02:20 AM
55 with ANA?Don't forget the YQ which is high on this route.
Post by: shimino1 on March 08, 2018, 11:02:50 AM
Post by: yandmk on March 11, 2018, 03:00:16 PM
Post by: travel agent on March 11, 2018, 06:15:36 PM
Post by: yandmk on March 11, 2018, 07:41:22 PM
are you going to Lizensk or to NYC?Lizensk. There is no connection to NYC yet. Only starting in May IIRC
Post by: yelped on March 13, 2018, 08:10:56 PM
Seems like LY 82 is flying over Qatar right now, and soon over Saudia Arabia...Breaking: Air India spokesperson confirms new flights between #Israel and #India and WILL use #Saudi Arabia’s airspace.
— Alex Macheras (@AlexInAir) March 7, 2018
• Flights begin 22 March, Tel Aviv-Delhi.
• Saudi does not recognise #Israel, lifting #airspace ban for Israeli bound jets is first time in 70-years.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ELY82
Post by: chff on March 13, 2018, 08:12:23 PM
Seems like LY 82 is flying over Qatar right now, and soon over Saudia Arabia...No, it's over Somalia
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ELY82
LY82 from Bangkok to Tel Aviv https://fr24.com/ELY082/10b3b812
Post by: chff on March 13, 2018, 08:36:05 PM
Seems like LY 82 is flying over Qatar right now, and soon over Saudia Arabia...And BTW no one can fly from Qatat to SA... Fa showed it oven Oman
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ELY82
Post by: yelped on March 13, 2018, 10:02:17 PM
Post by: aygart on March 13, 2018, 10:09:07 PM
Thanks. Now it shows that it didn't fly there at all. What happened? Bug?I think you were seeing what they project as the route which is direct from location to destination
Post by: yelped on March 13, 2018, 11:31:58 PM
I think you were seeing what they project as the route which is direct from location to destinationThat is an interesting thought. I always assumed it was based off either prior flight paths for the flight, or actual route maps.
Post by: travel agent on March 14, 2018, 01:54:50 PM
Post by: yandmk on March 14, 2018, 02:09:32 PM
Post by: chff on March 19, 2018, 11:49:24 PM
With PS's new 777 they will do a rotation to TLV on some days with the 777 or 767 you will will have a true (umm) business class NYC-TLVStarting today?
Post by: yandmk on March 20, 2018, 07:45:45 AM
Post by: shapsam on March 20, 2018, 08:24:30 AM
Interesting, on the KBP - TLV route, you can actually purchase PE seats at just $16 instead of $8 for a standard seatYou just get the seat not the extra 'service'. it was also always like this on the 767 as well. Free within 48 hours of the flight.
Post by: Yaalili on March 21, 2018, 02:59:08 PM
LY541 TLV0655 – 0900ATH 789 7
LY542 ATH1025 – 1215TLV 789 7
Great way to connect to/from ATH-EWR on EK.
Post by: yelped on March 21, 2018, 03:27:59 PM
Post by: Yaalili on March 21, 2018, 03:40:42 PM
Timings work out? What are the times for the EK flights?
EK 210 lands in ATH at 4:05pm and EK 209 leaves from ATH at 5:20pm.
Post by: ExGingi on March 21, 2018, 03:45:20 PM
EK 210 lands in ATH at 4:05pm and EK 209 leaves from ATH at 5:20pm.So how is that a great way to connect (other than being a widebody for a short flight)? Overnight one way, 7 hours the other way.
Post by: Dan on March 21, 2018, 06:52:23 PM
Post by: yelped on March 21, 2018, 07:37:31 PM
https://passportnews.co.il/the-news-of-united-airlines/Chicago?
Post by: Buruch on March 22, 2018, 10:40:02 AM
Post by: ExGingi on March 22, 2018, 10:49:09 AM
Best miles to use between Israel and Europe? FB considers Israel part of Europe, but intra-Eur is not cheap on their chart...What do you consider cheap?
It really depends on destination and class of service.
If HC is an option for you, Lifemiles is reasonable intra ME, though not necessarily for J.
Post by: Buruch on March 22, 2018, 11:48:42 AM
Post by: ExGingi on March 22, 2018, 11:54:46 AM
Coach flights to Italy, France, Prague etc.Some of those you can probably have with LCC or ULCC for a bargain, not worth it with points. Isn't FB somewhere between 10,000-15,000 for intra Europe flights (with promos being cheaper). Also FB has very low to no YQ on flights on RO, if you want to connect at OTP.
Post by: chff on March 22, 2018, 12:50:32 PM
🇮🇳âśď¸Źđź‡®đź‡± Air India’s inaugural Delhi-Tel Aviv flight has now entered Saudi Arabian airspace. #AI139 is the first commercial flight in 7 decades to fly over Saudi Arabia en route to Israel.â°â°
— Flightradar24 (@flightradar24) March 22, 2018
📡
https://t.co/x5ov2kEcJN pic.twitter.com/DkjtFYg3OR
Post by: Buruch on March 22, 2018, 01:01:08 PM
Some of those you can probably have with LCC or ULCC for a bargain, not worth it with points. Isn't FB somewhere between 10,000-15,000 for intra Europe flights (with promos being cheaper). Also FB has very low to no YQ on flights on RO, if you want to connect at OTP.
ulcc is the way I'd go in general, but you have to book well in advance usually to get good prices. It looks like EasyJet is cancelling a few flights from TLV at the end of March.
Post by: ExGingi on March 22, 2018, 01:07:11 PM
So what's the story with Omani airspace, was that never an issue?🇮🇳âśď¸Źđź‡®đź‡± Air India’s inaugural Delhi-Tel Aviv flight has now entered Saudi Arabian airspace. #AI139 is the first commercial flight in 7 decades to fly over Saudi Arabia en route to Israel.â°â°
— Flightradar24 (@flightradar24) March 22, 2018
📡
https://t.co/x5ov2kEcJN pic.twitter.com/DkjtFYg3OR
Post by: Dan on March 22, 2018, 01:17:11 PM
So what's the story with Omani airspace, was that never an issue?Everyone around SA does what SA wants.
Post by: ExGingi on March 22, 2018, 01:18:35 PM
Everyone around SA does what SA wants.Except for Qatar
Post by: tavster on March 22, 2018, 01:19:50 PM
They turned to IATA and UN but I don't know if they can enforce anything
Post by: ExGingi on March 22, 2018, 01:22:09 PM
How likely is it that LY will ever get to use the SA airspace?I would say extremely likely, especially once MBS fully takes over the reins.
They turned to IATA and UN but I don't know if they can enforce anything
ETA: Between hoping that LY becomes more customer service oriented, LY joining a global airline alliance, or LY flying over Saudi Arabia (and other Arab and/or Muslim countries such as Indonesia), I would say the latter is a lot more likely than any of the former.
Post by: Dan on March 22, 2018, 01:24:42 PM
I would say extremely likely, especially once MBS fully takes over the reins.+1
Post by: tavster on March 22, 2018, 01:27:41 PM
I would say extremely likely, especially once MBS fully takes over the reins.That would be great for LY's flights to Asia
Post by: ExGingi on March 22, 2018, 01:30:39 PM
That would be great for LY's flights to AsiaAnd for other competition. Maybe finally SQ into TLV (though IINM their problem is more with Indonesia and possibly Malaysia).
Post by: tavster on March 22, 2018, 01:39:31 PM
And for other competition. Maybe finally SQ into TLV (though IINM their problem is more with Indonesia and possibly Malaysia).Good point
Post by: chff on March 22, 2018, 01:49:41 PM
I would say extremely likely, especially once MBS fully takes over the reins.MBS?
Post by: Dan on March 22, 2018, 01:51:03 PM
MBS?GIYF
Post by: chff on March 22, 2018, 01:59:22 PM
How likely is it that LY will ever get to use the SA airspace?
They turned to IATA and UN but I don't know if they can enforce anything
Let see first whats happens by ICAO re QR
Post by: tavster on March 23, 2018, 08:54:58 AM
And for other competition. Maybe finally SQ into TLV (though IINM their problem is more with Indonesia and possibly Malaysia)."SQ told Reuters it is not currently considering services to Tel Aviv" https://www.reuters.com/article/israel-india-saudi-el-al-arlns/israels-el-al-to-take-its-row-over-saudi-airspace-to-supreme-court-idUSL8N1R52YB
Post by: chff on March 23, 2018, 11:23:58 AM
And for other competition. Maybe finally SQ into TLV (though IINM their problem is more with Indonesia and possibly Malaysia).
Many SQ Crew are Malay - and Malaysian passports bear the inscription: "This passport is valid for all countries except Israel" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysian_passport (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysian_passport)
Post by: chff on March 23, 2018, 11:28:14 AM
And for other competition. Maybe finally SQ into TLV (though IINM their problem is more with Indonesia and possibly Malaysia).
See this flight route
Post by: ExGingi on March 23, 2018, 12:39:59 PM
See this flight routeהוא הדבר אשר דיברתי.
Singapore is pragmatic. And similar to what was stated about Oman vis-a-vis KSA, Singapore doesn't while maintaining its position and global neutrality, doesn't start up with Malaysia or Indonesia which are several orders of magnitude its size, and practically engulf it.
Post by: yelped on March 25, 2018, 10:45:13 AM
הוא הדבר אשר דיברתי.See quote from this article: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-india-saudi-el-al-arlns/israels-el-al-to-take-its-row-over-saudi-airspace-to-supreme-court-idUSKBN1GZ1VC
Singapore is pragmatic. And similar to what was stated about Oman vis-a-vis KSA, Singapore doesn't while maintaining its position and global neutrality, doesn't start up with Malaysia or Indonesia which are several orders of magnitude its size, and practically engulf it.
"Israel’s Tourism Minister on Thursday called the maiden Air India flight a diplomatic achievement and said he has been in negotiations to open similar flights with Singapore Airlines and a carrier from the Philippines, which he did not name.
Singapore Airlines told Reuters it is not currently considering services to Israel."
Any chance on the 5th Freedom flight from NYC to TLV?
Post by: ExGingi on March 25, 2018, 12:03:37 PM
See quote from this article: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-india-saudi-el-al-arlns/israels-el-al-to-take-its-row-over-saudi-airspace-to-supreme-court-idUSKBN1GZ1VC
"Israel’s Tourism Minister on Thursday called the maiden Air India flight a diplomatic achievement and said he has been in negotiations to open similar flights with Singapore Airlines and a carrier from the Philippines, which he did not name.
Singapore Airlines told Reuters it is not currently considering services to Israel."
Any chance on the 5th Freedom flight from NYC to TLV?
As mentioned above, SQ has a problem with Malaysia (and Indonesia), none of that is being addressed here.
I would almost say it's more likely to get QR to do that 5th Freedom flight than it is for SQ.
Post by: cdlaz on March 27, 2018, 05:39:52 AM
You must have the check-in agent Book and Tag your bags to the FINAL destination as Israelis need a Visa to enter India (even "just to recheck my bag") and you won't be able to get your bag in New Delhi and recheck it for the next flight. This goes for connecting flights on AI and 9W etc. Israeli Travel agents are trying to get a directive to the Check-in Agents in TLV 9. Current situation is that some "sure no problem" others "I don't know how to do that"
The above is based on a few calls over the past 3 days including a passenger who spend almost 2 hours begging in DEL (luckily had a long layover) for the ground staff to find her bag and re-tag it.
Post by: ExGingi on March 28, 2018, 07:38:10 AM
Hebrew version of the article is longer.
Essentially LY is resorting to legal action, rather than trying to compete on product or service.
I acknowledge that they are at a competitive disadvantage, but rather than figure out how to get a competitive advantage where they can, while working quietly to resolve the disadvantage, they go to court.
ETA: Here's an option piece (in Hebrew) which is essentially saying what I am saying: https://www.themarker.com/consumer/tourism/1.5956766
Post by: ExGingi on March 28, 2018, 08:09:35 AM
http://m.jpost.com/Israel-News/WATCH-Two-planes-in-on-groud-collision-at-Ben-Gurion-Airport-547301
Post by: yandmk on March 28, 2018, 11:05:36 AM
Essentially LY is resorting to legal action, rather than trying to compete on product or service.
You serious?!?!
90% of people (especially in Y) wouldn't even consider taking a flight 2 hours longer. No "product" or "service" will make any difference here.
Post by: shapsam on March 28, 2018, 11:10:40 AM
Most people wouldn't even know that LY's flight is 2 hours longer.
You serious?!?!
90% of people (especially in Y) wouldn't even consider taking a flight 2 hours longer. No "product" or "service" will make any difference here.
Post by: yandmk on March 28, 2018, 11:15:31 AM
Most people wouldn't even know that LY's flight is 2 hours longer.I'm just going to assume you're joking
Post by: shapsam on March 28, 2018, 11:40:08 AM
I'm just going to assume you're jokingNope.
Post by: yandmk on March 28, 2018, 12:35:48 PM
Nope.Well, then your underestimation of peoples intelligence is almost insulting
Post by: shapsam on March 28, 2018, 01:01:02 PM
Well, then your underestimation of peoples intelligence is almost insultingNothing to do with intelligence, most people Aren't on DDF or any other travel forum/blog.
Next time your in TLV, ask anyone checking in for that flight if they know that its 2 hours longer than Air India.
Post by: yandmk on March 28, 2018, 01:06:49 PM
Nothing to do with intelligence, most people Aren't on DDF or any other travel forum/blog.1) This is discussed everywhere. From travel forums to News sites to Kol Mevaser......
Next time your in TLV, ask anyone checking in for that flight if they know that its 2 hours longer than Air India.
2) I'm a travel agent. Most people are not as spaced-out as you think.
Post by: Dan on March 28, 2018, 01:09:04 PM
As a DDF member or TA you are literally in the .01%.
A typical pax has no clue unless you tell them.
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 28, 2018, 01:10:08 PM
Post by: Dan on March 28, 2018, 01:10:46 PM
Air India's flight and the political ramifications were widely reported in the Israeli media and a large portion of travelers are aware of itDefine large portion...
Post by: yandmk on March 28, 2018, 01:22:05 PM
Define large portion...Far more than .01%....
Post by: Dan on March 28, 2018, 01:23:48 PM
Far more than .01%....Of course. But no way is it more than a third IMHO. Even that is being generous.
We're the nerds that know that United flies a 772 and a 77W from EWR to TLV, but most do not know and do not care.
Post by: ExGingi on March 28, 2018, 06:15:25 PM
Which is why so many NYC-TLV economy seats are sold on PS, SU and TK (and to a slight lesser degree AZ). ::)
You serious?!?!
90% of people (especially in Y) wouldn't even consider taking a flight 2 hours longer. No "product" or "service" will make any difference here.
And also many people (mostly Israelis, or elderly people) pay a premium for LY on the NYC-TLV route despite the fact that the product is inferior to DL and UA.
Post by: yandmk on March 28, 2018, 08:11:39 PM
Of course. But no way is it more than a third IMHO. Even that is being generous.About the difference of the 772 to 77W, correct. But a 2 hr flight time difference, which can easily be seen when selecting flights and has been repeatedly discussed all over Israeli media, goes quite a bit further than us nerds
We're the nerds that know that United flies a 772 and a 77W from EWR to TLV, but most do not know and do not care.
Post by: Dan on March 28, 2018, 08:12:52 PM
About the difference of the 772 to 77W, correct. But a 2 hr flight time difference, which can easily be seen when selecting flights and has been repeatedly discussed all over Israeli media, goes quite a bit further than us nerds772-77W=.01%
Flight time discrepancy=33%
Post by: yandmk on March 28, 2018, 08:22:42 PM
Which is why so many NYC-TLV economy seats are sold on PS, SU and TK (and to a slight lesser degree AZ). ::)
Nobody is flying the extra hours here because of better service or better product. Anyone flying these airlines, are flying them primarily because they are much cheaper than the rest.
So do you expect LY to attract their clients by lowering prices when they are the ones who have significantly higher operating costs, due to their longer route?
And also many people (mostly Israelis, or elderly people) pay a premium for LY on the NYC-TLV route despite the fact that the product is inferior to DL and UA.-1
Most often LY is the cheapest non-stop option on this route, because they have the most available space on the route. UA and DL also fill most of their space from connections across the country while I believe that LY flights are filled mostly by passengers checking-in in NY.
Post by: yandmk on March 28, 2018, 08:24:46 PM
772-77W=.01%I'll agree on that :)
Flight time discrepancy=33%
But is 33% not enough a reason to take legal action?
Post by: Dan on March 28, 2018, 08:28:00 PM
I'll agree on that :)All I'm saying is that most people don't know. I don't have a problem with LY fighting for this one.
But is 33% not enough a reason to take legal action?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 30, 2018, 08:42:25 AM
https://www.themarker.com/markerweek/1.5961339?utm_medium=daily_story_hp&utm_source=Mako&utm_campaign=TM_Article
Post by: shapsam on March 30, 2018, 10:38:38 AM
For years LY was paying AI not to operate the routeWhoa! can't they face criminal charges now even though the Israeli gov was in on it at the time?
https://www.themarker.com/markerweek/1.5961339?utm_medium=daily_story_hp&utm_source=Mako&utm_campaign=TM_Article
Post by: ExGingi on April 03, 2018, 09:07:03 AM
Hebrew article.
Talks about ELAL'S hypocrisy in trying to block Air India flights over Saudi airspace. When for years they paid Air India in order not to fly to TLV, as well as other anti-competitive practices related to codeshare agreements and marketing.
Post by: shapsam on April 03, 2018, 11:27:58 AM
For years LY was paying AI not to operate the route
https://www.themarker.com/markerweek/1.5961339?utm_medium=daily_story_hp&utm_source=Mako&utm_campaign=TM_Article
https://www.themarker.com/news/aviation/1.5974100
Hebrew article.
Talks about ELAL'S hypocrisy in trying to block Air India flights over Saudi airspace. When for years they paid Air India in order not to fly to TLV, as well as other anti-competitive practices related to codeshare agreements and marketing.
Post by: aygart on April 03, 2018, 11:27:26 PM
Post by: mgarfin on April 04, 2018, 02:33:15 PM
https://www.latam.com/en_us/press-room/releases/LATAM_plans_to_serve_Tel_Aviv_in_2018/
Post by: ExGingi on April 05, 2018, 12:22:57 PM
Hebrew article. TK opening up bag drop lanes for people who self check in @TLV. Also mentions some stats about TK (9 daily flights to/from TLV, 1MM pax per year!)
Post by: mgarfin on April 05, 2018, 03:21:35 PM
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001230491
Hebrew article. TK opening up bag drop lanes for people who self check in @TLV. Also mentions some stats about TK (9 daily flights to/from TLV, 1MM pax per year!)
How do they control overweight?
Post by: yitrap on April 05, 2018, 03:25:35 PM
How do they control overweight?Probably the same way everyone else does, computer won't print the tag unless the weight is under.
Post by: Baglach on April 09, 2018, 12:30:31 AM
For years LY was paying AI not to operate the route
https://www.themarker.com/markerweek/1.5961339?utm_medium=daily_story_hp&utm_source=Mako&utm_campaign=TM_Article
http://m.jpost.com/Israel-News/Culture/THE-TRAVEL-ADVISOR-The-chutzpah-of-El-Al-549104/amp
Post by: Cashman on April 09, 2018, 12:51:27 PM
Post by: ExGingi on April 11, 2018, 02:18:36 AM
I am thinking that this might impact flights into and out of TLV.
Additionally, AF strike isn't doing good for seat inventory on European flights.
Post by: chff on April 11, 2018, 03:56:07 PM
Post by: ExGingi on April 12, 2018, 02:48:08 PM
https://www.calcalistech.com/ctech/articles/0,7340,L-3736013,00.html
Post by: Abey on April 12, 2018, 11:06:25 PM
Post by: hvaces42 on April 12, 2018, 11:37:26 PM
Don’t know if this is new, but I noticed air Europa has 787 on some days which gives another lie flat option to tlv....$500+ YQ with FB. Bookable with ?
Post by: GAM Z. on April 12, 2018, 11:59:24 PM
Don’t know if this is new, but I noticed air Europa has 787 on some days which gives another lie flat option to tlv....Where do they fly from?
Post by: ExGingi on April 13, 2018, 12:56:45 AM
$500+ YQ with FB. Bookable with ?Not only with FB, it's the same high YQ on other Skyteam programs.
Post by: Abey on April 13, 2018, 11:25:16 AM
$500+ YQ with FB. Bookable with ?
Not only with FB, it's the same high YQ on other Skyteam programs.Could still be worth it , since when I checked segments on fb there was good availability....
Didn’t come up when searching jfk-tlv
Post by: Abey on April 13, 2018, 11:26:12 AM
Where do they fly from?Giyf
Post by: Abey on April 13, 2018, 11:28:46 AM
Post by: chevron on April 13, 2018, 01:09:21 PM
I am looking for a creative trip route returning to MIA. Sunday june 10. I was thinking TLV - Italy, Italy to MIA via LIS. Bit of a schlep though i'd love to hack in a short trip in italy .
It comes out cheaper than TLV to MIA which any ways has a stopover etc. Any tips or suggestions ? thanks!
Post by: chevron on April 15, 2018, 03:15:31 PM
Post by: ExGingi on April 16, 2018, 02:34:42 PM
https://www.themarker.com/dynamo/cars/1.6008648
Post by: ExGingi on April 16, 2018, 10:45:05 PM
Transavia starting 2x week seasonal AMS-VDA service in November (subsidized by ministry of tourism).
https://www.themarker.com/consumer/tourism/1.6009031
ASL France starting 2x week CDG-TLV flights with aggressive pricing. Schedule is currently only for July, but they expect to extend it.
http://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001231118
XL Airways (which up until now only published point to point fares) announced its first connecting fare for TLV-NYC via CDG (A330).
http://www.air-journal.fr/2018-02-06-xl-airways-ouvre-les-correspondances-entre-tel-aviv-et-les-usa-5194218.html
Post by: chff on April 17, 2018, 12:25:27 AM
XL Airways (which up until now only published point to point fares) announced its first connecting fare for TLV-NYC via CDG (A330).
http://www.air-journal.fr/2018-02-06-xl-airways-ouvre-les-correspondances-entre-tel-aviv-et-les-usa-5194218.html
See the date from this post https://blog.wandr.me/2017/09/xl-airways-connect-new-york-city-tel-aviv-israel/
Post by: ExGingi on April 17, 2018, 11:52:05 AM
See the date from this post https://blog.wandr.me/2017/09/xl-airways-connect-new-york-city-tel-aviv-israel/
I guess I missed that one, but the French article has additional information such as prices starting at $635 RT including 1pc of luggage (could that be a catalyst for some of the low summer fares we are seeing NYC-TLV?).
Post by: Something Fishy on April 24, 2018, 06:13:24 PM
http://business.inquirer.net/249785/pal-likely-open-direct-flight-tel-aviv
Post by: ExGingi on April 24, 2018, 06:17:28 PM
MNL-TLV possibly coming.
http://business.inquirer.net/249785/pal-likely-open-direct-flight-tel-aviv
Definitely a significant market for such a route IMHO. Lot's of Phillipinos work in Israel (it's the term used for a caregiver), religious pilgrimage can be a huge market, and I can see Israelis flying there for business or as a stopover on the way onward to the South Pacific.
Post by: ExGingi on April 26, 2018, 11:56:06 AM
Post by: zow on April 28, 2018, 11:29:12 PM
11/18 BOS-TLV
11/25 TLV-BOS
Showing as $849 in Google Flights Calendar (as it does for many other date options in that general time period), but for this particular date, when I click through to elal.com or OTAs, it jumps to $1000. Is it some kind of "phantom" fare? Is there any way to get the $849 fare?
Maybe one of our TA's out there could help? If so, please PM me. Thanks.
Post by: Abey on April 28, 2018, 11:44:24 PM
Trying to book LY in Y:You looking for the direct ly only ? Got $939 here https://www.skyscanner.co.il/transport/flights/bos/tela/181118/181125?adults=1&children=0&adultsv2=1&childrenv2=&infants=0&cabinclass=economy&rtn=1&preferdirects=false&outboundaltsenabled=false&inboundaltsenabled=false&ref=home#results
11/18 BOS-TLV
11/25 TLV-BOS
Showing as $849 in Google Flights Calendar (as it does for many other date options in that general time period), but for this particular date, when I click through to elal.com or OTAs, it jumps to $1000. Is it some kind of "phantom" fare? Is there any way to get the $849 fare?
Maybe one of our TA's out there could help? If so, please PM me. Thanks.
Post by: Kabrams1618 on April 29, 2018, 12:00:22 AM
No air jordan.
Post by: elya on April 29, 2018, 12:05:33 AM
No air jordan.Come again?!?
Post by: davidrotts63 on April 29, 2018, 12:06:47 AM
Come again?!?I think it was a sneaker reference. Maybe he doesn't want a far walk to the plane... 🤷
Post by: shapsam on April 29, 2018, 12:11:48 AM
Trying to book LY in Y:The problem is the return (no more U class available), it can take some time to update on GF.
11/18 BOS-TLV
11/25 TLV-BOS
Showing as $849 in Google Flights Calendar (as it does for many other date options in that general time period), but for this particular date, when I click through to elal.com or OTAs, it jumps to $1000. Is it some kind of "phantom" fare? Is there any way to get the $849 fare?
Maybe one of our TA's out there could help? If so, please PM me. Thanks.
Post by: Kabrams1618 on April 29, 2018, 01:20:08 AM
Post by: Emkay on April 29, 2018, 02:01:04 AM
To clarify, I would like to know the best business class experience out of tel aviv to Europe and the far east utilizing Aa points however I am not interested in flying royal jordanian. I know that limits me but that is what I am looking for. Open to any location.The only option to the Far East without a hop to AMM is Cathay.
To Europe you have basically Iberia and BA with YQ. Most flights to EU don't have real business so usually better off with revenue in coach.
Post by: Baglach on April 29, 2018, 02:01:40 AM
To clarify, I would like to know the best business class experience out of tel aviv to Europe and the far east utilizing Aa points however I am not interested in flying royal jordanian. I know that limits me but that is what I am looking for. Open to any location.CX to HKG 40K AA
Post by: Abey on April 29, 2018, 02:03:29 AM
The only option to the Far East without a hop to AMM is Cathay.Ba and ib have real business also lx and air Europa some days
To Europe you have basically Iberia and BA with YQ. Most flights to EU don't have real business so usually better off with revenue in coach.
Post by: Emkay on April 29, 2018, 02:05:41 AM
Ba and ib have real business also lx and air Europa some daysThat's why I listed those 2 as opposed to the other options. He asked for the best, not all. The others you mentioned aren't OneWorld.
Post by: Abey on April 29, 2018, 02:07:51 AM
That's why I listed those 2 as opposed to the other options. He asked for the best, not all. The others you mentioned aren't OneWorld.Ow to Europe is basically only ba and ib correct. Btw yq is not terrible to Europe
Post by: zow on April 29, 2018, 07:54:37 AM
The problem is the return (no more U class available), it can take some time to update on GF.
You looking for the direct ly only ? Got $939 here https://www.skyscanner.co.il/transport/flights/bos/tela/181118/181125?adults=1&children=0&adultsv2=1&childrenv2=&infants=0&cabinclass=economy&rtn=1&preferdirects=false&outboundaltsenabled=false&inboundaltsenabled=false&ref=home#results
Thanks.
I know I can connect in Europe on LH, LX or TK for under $900. I was asking specifically the nonstop in LY.
What is the chance that LY will release more U class seats? Or is more likely that the G class seats will also disappear and the price will jump even higher?
Post by: zow on April 29, 2018, 07:59:33 PM
They are offering the LY BOS-TLV RT I mentioned above for $850. Everywhere else it's $1000.
What's the downside of booking through them?
Post by: shapsam on April 29, 2018, 08:02:23 PM
flyus.com must be a not-so-well-known OTA.If they get it ticketed you should be fine.
They are offering the LY BOS-TLV RT I mentioned above for $850. Everywhere else it's $1000.
What's the downside of booking through them?
Post by: zow on April 29, 2018, 08:03:25 PM
If they get it ticketed you should be fine.Ok, I'll give it a try.
Thank you.
Post by: Abey on April 29, 2018, 08:06:20 PM
flyus.com must be a not-so-well-known OTA.On sky scanner link there’s one for 939 although this is cheaper
They are offering the LY BOS-TLV RT I mentioned above for $850. Everywhere else it's $1000.
What's the downside of booking through them?
Post by: zow on April 29, 2018, 08:11:58 PM
Ok, I'll give it a try.Really irritating.
Thank you.
After entering all my info, incl. CC, it fails with "flight no longer available."
Post by: yandmk on April 30, 2018, 11:54:29 AM
Really irritating.Perhaps that's why it's a not-so-well-known OTA. It obviously was no longer available at that price, but they just weren't yet updated...
After entering all my info, incl. CC, it fails with "flight no longer available."
Post by: jose34 on April 30, 2018, 01:18:21 PM
Post by: yandmk on April 30, 2018, 09:54:17 PM
Post by: shapsam on April 30, 2018, 09:55:23 PM
El Al new branded fares to Europe (started today) now allows one-way bookings to Europe!Including London?
Post by: yandmk on April 30, 2018, 10:08:20 PM
Including London?Yes
Post by: hvaces42 on April 30, 2018, 10:11:00 PM
Yes$828 OW for the day I'm looking at!!! :o
$617 RT
Post by: yandmk on April 30, 2018, 10:14:08 PM
$828 OW for the day I'm looking at!!! :oDate?
$617 RT
This is for flights on/after Oct 15
Post by: hvaces42 on April 30, 2018, 10:21:49 PM
Date?Mid-June
This is for flights on/after Oct 15
Post by: yandmk on April 30, 2018, 10:30:27 PM
Mid-JuneThere's your answer
Post by: shapsam on April 30, 2018, 10:59:59 PM
Post by: yandmk on April 30, 2018, 11:35:11 PM
After 10/15, a one way to LHR/LTN is about $250 and RT is $360. Was a RT ever so cheap?The new branded fares is to try to compete (or survive) with the LCC's
These "lite" fares don't include free checked bags
Post by: chff on May 01, 2018, 12:47:30 AM
The new branded fares is to try to compete (or survive) with the LCC'sLCCs? All legacy carrier now offers it
These "lite" fares don't include free checked bags
Post by: yandmk on May 01, 2018, 04:33:58 AM
LCCs? All legacy carrier now offers it1) Not to TLV. Only in Europe. (Besides LO and SN)
2) The other Legacy carriers also did it to be able to compete with the LCC's
Post by: shapsam on May 01, 2018, 01:33:17 PM
Post by: yelped on May 01, 2018, 01:51:04 PM
Post by: shapsam on May 01, 2018, 01:58:31 PM
Who did you speak to? Who booked it?Was booked on by a OTA but I spoke to AF directly.
Post by: yelped on May 01, 2018, 02:05:44 PM
Was booked on by a OTA but I spoke to AF directly.I meant which carrier was it booked under.
Post by: shapsam on May 01, 2018, 02:08:43 PM
I meant which carrier was it booked under.AF, 057 ticket number.
Post by: yelped on May 01, 2018, 03:12:29 PM
Post by: Kabrams1618 on May 01, 2018, 11:53:00 PM
Post by: Yaalili on May 02, 2018, 06:46:59 AM
Which is a better product in business class from tlv to Europe, flying ba or iberia? Why?
Aircraft on each?
Post by: tavster on May 02, 2018, 12:21:57 PM
Post by: Kabrams1618 on May 02, 2018, 11:01:01 PM
Post by: Yaalili on May 03, 2018, 07:27:20 AM
On iberia business class from tlv to europe it would be a 332 and 321 aircrafts. On ba it would be 777 and 320. Which is better, any fully reclining seats. Which is best experience?
IB a330 would be best.
Post by: Kabrams1618 on May 04, 2018, 12:48:58 AM
Post by: Emkay on May 04, 2018, 12:56:01 AM
How can i book a flight to bern switzerland using aa points? I cant even get Bern to show up on the aa or ba websites.You can't, no partners fly there.
Post by: DansDealsLover on May 09, 2018, 01:28:21 PM
Post by: Abey on May 11, 2018, 05:19:12 PM
Point? Flying blue is messed up , but when playing around I believe you can score a good deal ex tlv on lie flat the whole way
If anyone has any more experience please share
Post by: Kempmill on May 13, 2018, 08:05:23 AM
HELP NEEDED: I'm looking for someone with a paid subscription to Flightstats or another way to get historical data on United flight departure times. STORY: I was supposed to fly on UA90 on 3/21 to TLV but was delayed to the airport because of the blizzard. I was denied boarding due to "missed flight" when in fact the flight was delayed until 1.23am that night as I was advised by United on that night. When claiming for compensation, agent is denying flight was delayed. What's the best way to prove I'm right?
Try flightaware. It's free. That flight left at 2:13 AM, over 3 hours late.
Post by: ExGingi on May 22, 2018, 12:59:32 PM
https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-5267529,00.html
(sorry, couldn't find English source).
Post by: yandmk on May 22, 2018, 01:22:52 PM
Apparently ELAL might be having second thoughts about SFO.Assuming it was only announced for Maimon to be able to add to his list of accomplishments. Now that he's out, it's time to get real...
https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-5267529,00.html
(sorry, couldn't find English source).
Post by: shapsam on May 22, 2018, 01:30:24 PM
Apparently ELAL might be having second thoughts about SFO.https://www.dansdeals.com/airfare-deals/israel-flights/united-strikes-back-el-al/
https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-5267529,00.html
(sorry, couldn't find English source).
"Will United’s move in San Francisco cause El Al to bail on the route before it even begins?"
Post by: yandmk on May 22, 2018, 01:33:48 PM
https://www.dansdeals.com/airfare-deals/israel-flights/united-strikes-back-el-al/Problem with that prophecy, is that UA will be operating the 788 again, by the time El Al launches the route
"Will United’s move in San Francisco cause El Al to bail on the route before it even begins?"
Post by: ExGingi on May 22, 2018, 01:44:01 PM
Problem with that prophecy, is that UA will be operating the 788 again, by the time El Al launches the routeThat will definitely depend on demand. But UA has several built in advantages at SFO over LY. Can't figure out the strategy of fighting UA where they already have an established route, rather than beating them with ORD service (even though UA has built-in advantages there too, but at least they haven't established the route yet).
Post by: yandmk on May 22, 2018, 01:49:33 PM
That will definitely depend on demand. But UA has several built in advantages at SFO over LY. Can't figure out the strategy of fighting UA where they already have an established route, rather than beating them with ORD service (even though UA has built-in advantages there too, but at least they haven't established the route yet).Not disagreeing. Just explaining that El Als backing out has nothing to do with UA putting the 77w on the route, but rather because it probably didn't make much sense to begin with.
Post by: yandmk on May 22, 2018, 01:55:55 PM
Post by: yandmk on May 22, 2018, 01:58:10 PM
Re ORD, being that LY has 2 destinations on the west coast, and 5 destinations on the east coast, they don't have much to gain in the center, other than to stop UA from taking the route (which doesn't necessarily make it worthwhile)In other words, I don't think there's enough non-stop traffic from ORD that it's worth adding just another option for connections.
Post by: tavster on May 22, 2018, 07:32:34 PM
(sorry, couldn't find English source).
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/business/el-al-may-delay-november-launch-of-tel-aviv-san-francisco-service-1.6112477
Post by: chff on May 22, 2018, 09:12:58 PM
Post by: tavster on May 23, 2018, 07:08:28 AM
Post by: Dan on May 23, 2018, 07:12:25 AM
Post by: tavster on May 23, 2018, 07:17:50 AM
Post by: yandmk on May 23, 2018, 07:24:25 AM
https://m.calcalist.co.il/Article.aspx?guid=3738687Interesting that they note the lack of aircraft as the main reason (in addition to struggling with the competition). They also pushed off switching LY 1 to the 787-9 until April and the additional Newark flights next winter will be operated by a 777. So it does seem like they're short on Dreamliner aircraft.
Post by: yandmk on May 23, 2018, 07:55:28 AM
Post by: chff on May 23, 2018, 01:13:20 PM
Quote
Dear partner,
EL AL wishes to inform you that the launch of the new route to San Francisco will be postponed to May 2019 due to unforeseen operational reasons.
The airline will take care of all passengers who purchased flight tickets for the period of postponement.
Sincerely,
North America Team
Post by: Yaalili on May 26, 2018, 11:13:08 PM
BA165 LHR0805 – 1450TLV 777 D
BA163 LHR2035 – 0320+1TLV 789 6
BA163 LHR2035 – 0320+1TLV 788 x6
BA162 TLV0725 – 1050LHR 789 7
BA162 TLV0735 – 1100LHR 788 x347
BA162 TLV0740 – 1105LHR 788 34
BA164 TLV1645 – 2005LHR 777 D
Post by: cdlaz on May 27, 2018, 09:52:24 AM
DME-TLV on Friday was offered a chicken Sandwich or Spelt salad in Y class
Wasn't too hungry (had some local Russain KSML in the lounge) + fruit - so the salad + drinks were fine. Wasn't offered the usual crackers (Abadi) with my drink...
FYI https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-5271908,00.html#autoplay in Hebrew
Post by: ExGingi on May 29, 2018, 06:41:40 PM
Post by: davidmal on May 30, 2018, 02:28:57 PM
Great list!
Post by: ExGingi on May 30, 2018, 04:57:05 PM
Wiki Updated
Great list!
How times have changed:
Though now it's missing from the wiki.For example, I had no idea that Korean Air has a direct flight to ICN from TLV a few days every week. Anyone ever take this route?Never took, but booked many people there.
The only airline flying direct to Asia besides LY.
IINM there are additional Turkish cities with service to /from TLV such as AYT by Pegasus. Also GYD (almost the same language language :) ) by Azerbaijan.
Post by: shapsam on May 30, 2018, 05:16:26 PM
Wiki UpdatedUkraine
Great list!
Kiev: Ukraine Intl, Elal
Odessa: Ukraine Intl, Elal (Sun Dor)
Zaporizhia: Ukraine Intl
Vinnytzia: Ukraine Intl
Lvov: Ukraine Intl
Kharkiv: Ukraine Intl
Dnipropetrovsk: Ukraine Intl
Post by: ExGingi on May 30, 2018, 05:47:33 PM
SVO
LED
ROV
all served by SU
Not sure where LY flies to, but they definitely have service to Moscow. And I believe other Russian cities also have service (not sure which airline, but recall hearing arrival/departure announcements on TLV PA system.
Post by: yandmk on May 30, 2018, 07:04:23 PM
RussiaEl Al flies to DME (Moscow)
SVO
LED
ROV
all served by SU
Not sure where LY flies to, but they definitely have service to Moscow. And I believe other Russian cities also have service (not sure which airline, but recall hearing arrival/departure announcements on TLV PA system.
Post by: ExGingi on May 30, 2018, 07:10:52 PM
El Al flies to DME (Moscow)Don't really follow LY, I just knew they did when I was trying to see if S7 flies to TLV and found out that they codeshare with LY.
Post by: travel agent on May 31, 2018, 01:31:35 PM
Post by: tavster on May 31, 2018, 01:58:59 PM
LY cancelled double daily flight to EWR from Oct .28I would assume this is due to the 767 being taken off earlier than planned.. they would have to make up for some of these routes (Boston, Johannesburg)
Post by: Dan on May 31, 2018, 02:41:05 PM
LY cancelled double daily flight to EWR from Oct .28https://www.dansdeals.com/points-travel/airlines/airline-news/el-al-new-787-routes-route-launch-cancellation-end-747-first-class-dates-sandwiches-instead-meals-fix-ails/
Post by: tavster on May 31, 2018, 02:50:48 PM
How are they going to make up for the 767 routes? Use wet-leased planes?
Post by: yandmk on May 31, 2018, 03:00:49 PM
I would assume this is due to the 767 being taken off earlier than planned.. they would have to make up for some of these routes (Boston, Johannesburg)Or just due to the new CEO who's such an idiot, he makes Smisek and David Maimon look good.
How can he judge lack of sales on a route (SFO) 6 months in advance of the first flight? Most flights don't start to fill until minimum 3-4 months before the flight....
Cutting TA commissions when it's no secret that they're the ones who have been pushing their product all along even when they had terrible aircraft etc...
Raising prices twice in a single month on their most valuable route, in addition to increasing change and refund fees...
Does this guy really think this will save El Al from their crisis? DL and UA exTLV are now $1000 (lowest fare), while El Al is $1089 (lowest fare). If the TAs aren't getting commissions, who exactly will be pushing their product over the competition?
Post by: ExGingi on May 31, 2018, 03:54:32 PM
Does this guy really think this will save El Al from their crisis? DL and UA exTLV are now $1000 (lowest fare), while El Al is $1089 (lowest fare). If the TAs aren't getting commissions, who exactly will be pushing their product over the competition?
I don't think $1,089 vs $1,000 is uncompetitive. There's an old saying: when you compete on price you automatically lose. The key is to offer a better (even if perceived) value proposition. For some, LY offers it no matter what, but for many it's nothing but a bad deal. That's the problem they need to overcome IMHO.
Post by: yandmk on May 31, 2018, 04:05:13 PM
I don't think $1,089 vs $1,000 is uncompetitive. There's an old saying: when you compete on price you automatically lose. The key is to offer a better (even if perceived) value proposition. For some, LY offers it no matter what, but for many it's nothing but a bad deal. That's the problem they need to overcome IMHO.We're not talking about lowering prices to compete (even though, in the airline industry, it's all about price matching. Look domestic US). El Al was charging $1019 in the beginning of the month. Then it went $1059, and then $1089. (Not even gonna discuss the much bigger jumps in PE. At least over there, they don't have competition. [Delta, pleeeeeease come to the rescue...?]) Usually UA and DL follow them with the price increases/decreases. This time, they didn't. But if they think they will fill the 44m hole from the last quarter by raising prices and cutting commissions and routes and additional flights (to EWR), they're mistaken. I think this CEO is one big mistake (just MHO...)
Post by: Baglach on June 01, 2018, 03:49:53 AM
We're not talking about lowering prices to compete (even though, in the airline industry, it's all about price matching. Look domestic US). El Al was charging $1019 in the beginning of the month. Then it went $1059, and then $1089. (Not even gonna discuss the much bigger jumps in PE. At least over there, they don't have competition. [Delta, pleeeeeease come to the rescue...?]) Usually UA and DL follow them with the price increases/decreases. This time, they didn't. But if they think they will fill the 44m hole from the last quarter by raising prices and cutting commissions and routes and additional flights (to EWR), they're mistaken. I think this CEO is one big mistake (just MHO...)
Cutting commissions was the worst move for them most agents I work with try pushing elal because of their 5% once that's gone they will have no reason to sell LY product
Post by: shimino1 on June 01, 2018, 06:41:25 AM
I never pushed ELAL over a better competitor and in fact I got many costumers to try other airlines that offered a better price/product.
Some of my costumers used to be die hard ELAL fans and now hardly fly with them.
I will push what is best for the client, not the company!
Post by: ExGingi on June 06, 2018, 03:22:36 PM
https://www.globes.co.il/en/article-el-al-to-codeshare-with-hong-kong-airlines-1001239806
Post by: zagguru on June 11, 2018, 06:05:32 PM
Post by: gold on June 12, 2018, 06:29:47 AM
Post by: Yaalili on June 12, 2018, 07:19:24 AM
https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-5285184,00.html#autoplay
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=30483.msg1828160#msg1828160
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on June 12, 2018, 07:45:04 AM
Post by: nafnaf12 on June 12, 2018, 11:31:56 AM
I’m taking an 8:05 am flight ex-TLV on AF. When would be the earliest I could check my bags?not sure about AF. But United is 3hrs before departure
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on June 12, 2018, 12:51:55 PM
not sure about AF. But United is 3hrs before departure
Thanks. And how about the first security?
Post by: nafnaf12 on June 12, 2018, 12:59:24 PM
Thanks. And how about the first security?this is what it looked like 3:25 min before United's night flight.
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on June 12, 2018, 02:21:02 PM
this is what it looked like 3:25 min before United's night flight.
Same scene last Thursday right before 5pm. But I was too chicken to take a picture.
What I want to know is how to maximize my time before the flight airside. My AirFrance flight is at 8:05, and I want to daven in the shul, get breakfast, and do some work in the lounge before my flight.
Post by: zow on June 12, 2018, 02:56:25 PM
What is the probability I can leverage this schedule change to get El Al to refund difference in fare (dropped from $1139 to $956) or allow me to cancel and rebook?
Post by: farmbochur on June 12, 2018, 03:22:34 PM
Might have to play several hands at the HUCA roulette table.
Post by: zow on June 12, 2018, 03:31:48 PM
Worked for me on Delta for a PIT-BOS 5 min reduction in blocked time.Ok. Will try. Thanks.
Might have to play several hands at the HUCA roulette table.
Post by: AsherO on June 12, 2018, 06:45:47 PM
If you have any source/link for this rumor please share it here.
ETA source:
http://www.israelhayom.co.il/article/563333
Post by: Yaalili on June 12, 2018, 07:32:16 PM
Post by: Dan on June 12, 2018, 07:47:07 PM
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/279071/el-al-w18-boston-aircraft-changes/ - TLV-BOS going from 767 to 777 for the winter.Poor YYZ.
Post by: Dan on June 12, 2018, 07:48:19 PM
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/279071/el-al-w18-boston-aircraft-changes/ - TLV-BOS going from 767 to 777 for the winter.Why aren't they selling F?
Post by: yandmk on June 12, 2018, 07:52:19 PM
Poor YYZ.Strange. In YYZ they have AC with a Dreamliner. In BOS, they don't even have any competition.
Why aren't they selling F?Interesting point. Maybe they're hoping for an early delivery of the 787-8?
Post by: Yaalili on June 12, 2018, 07:52:54 PM
Poor YYZ.
They always had AC 787, LY 777 cannot compete with that anyway.
Post by: zagguru on June 12, 2018, 10:05:29 PM
Ok. Will try. Thanks.
Report back on what happens
Post by: Yaalili on June 13, 2018, 12:38:26 AM
Post by: shapsam on June 13, 2018, 12:49:40 AM
Rumor has it Norwegian will be operating TLV-OSL direct starting 10/31/2018.Another option from NYC.
If you have any source/link for this rumor please share it here.
ETA source:
http://www.israelhayom.co.il/article/563333
Post by: AsherO on June 13, 2018, 06:24:24 AM
Another option from NYC.
Assuming the connection times line up. DY is already an option via ARN.
Post by: hvaces42 on June 13, 2018, 06:52:51 PM
Post by: zow on June 13, 2018, 07:15:13 PM
Report back on what happensFirst try: no dice. Agent said it would be $250pp to cancel. Can't give refund on difference. She said call back in the morning when a manager is available.
I might try. If I do, will let you all know.
Post by: ExGingi on June 16, 2018, 10:57:57 PM
Haifa airport seems to have been saved from extinction.
Post by: shapsam on June 16, 2018, 11:14:19 PM
https://www.colbonews.co.il/real-estate/36025/
Haifa airport seems to have been saved from extinction.
Aren't there already flights from HFA to LCA?
Post by: ExGingi on June 17, 2018, 11:59:14 AM
There were (maybe still exist), but the airport was slated for closing due to the short runway not being able to accommodate even regional jets.
Aren't there already flights from HFA to LCA?
This news and land swap saves the airport and actually gives it a little more functionality (and better options for Kohanim).
Post by: outinstyle on June 17, 2018, 04:28:16 PM
Both same price.
Just curious which is better?
Ukraine int'l or Aeroflot
Both allow 2 bags in economy I believe.
Thanks
Post by: Yaalili on June 17, 2018, 04:34:13 PM
Post by: ExGingi on June 17, 2018, 04:38:35 PM
Any preference between these two airlines for JFK-TLV?Aeroflot flies some widebodies ex-TLV and is a decent airline (haven't flown them in economy, though my sons have).
Both same price.
Just curious which is better?
Ukraine int'l or Aeroflot
Both allow 2 bags in economy I believe.
Thanks
SVO is a modern airport IME.
I have no experience with Ukraine Int'l or KBP airport.
Post by: shapsam on June 17, 2018, 04:53:23 PM
Aeroflot flies some widebodies ex-TLV and is a decent airline (haven't flown them in economy, though my sons have).Ukraine Intl also flies wide bodies to TLV on some flights and KBP is a pretty modern airport as well.
SVO is a modern airport IME.
I have no experience with Ukraine Int'l or KBP airport.
Post by: shapsam on June 17, 2018, 04:53:54 PM
Aeroflot.I'm not sure what I would rather, but why do you say Aeroflot?
Post by: outinstyle on June 17, 2018, 04:59:00 PM
Post by: efflpetzel on June 17, 2018, 06:08:41 PM
It's for my son. So luggage allowance, safety and in-flight entertainment are the biggest concerns. He always flew Turkish but the flight is $300 morei've flown both.
Aeroflot beats Ukrainian in every category. Its a no brainer, go with them
Post by: Yaalili on June 17, 2018, 06:17:27 PM
I'm not sure what I would rather, but why do you say Aeroflot?
Know many who have flown both and there are many reviews online of both as well.
Aeroflot beats Ukrainian in every category. Its a no brainer, go with them
Post by: moish on June 17, 2018, 07:17:42 PM
Post by: tavster on June 18, 2018, 06:07:35 AM
#WhatAMess
Post by: Yaalili on June 18, 2018, 06:46:12 AM
2x weekly Oslo (1 of which is on shabbos) and daily Rome flights being added by Norwegian.
Post by: chff on June 18, 2018, 07:36:36 AM
Any preference between these two airlines for JFK-TLV?Ukraine is shorter flying time, and if you get their 777 you fly on a newer aircraft
Both same price.
Just curious which is better?
Ukraine int'l or Aeroflot
Both allow 2 bags in economy I believe.
Thanks
Post by: yandmk on June 18, 2018, 08:22:56 AM
Post by: shapsam on June 18, 2018, 08:48:12 AM
Aeroflot is one of the hardest airlines to deal with in case of IROPS. Both getting rebooked, and getting compensation.You won't see a dime in compensation from Ukraine but they're pretty good with rebooking in case of IROPS.
Post by: mendyt on June 18, 2018, 09:43:39 AM
Aeroflot is one of the hardest airlines to deal with in case of IROPS. Both getting rebooked, and getting compensation.I always managed to put pax on LY
You won't see a dime in compensation from Ukraine but they're pretty good with rebooking in case of IROPS.I got compensation a few times thru their claim department
Post by: shapsam on June 18, 2018, 09:53:01 AM
How can I contact the claim department?
I got compensation a few times thru their claim department
Post by: mendyt on June 18, 2018, 09:56:47 AM
How can I contact the claim department?Its customer relations customerrelations@flyuia.com
They will send you a form to fill out, once approved they will ask for your bank info and send the money
Post by: yandmk on June 18, 2018, 10:00:52 AM
I always managed to put pax on LY
With SU? What were the circumstances?
Post by: mendyt on June 18, 2018, 10:05:18 AM
Any flight cancelation.
With SU? What were the circumstances?
Regular phone reps cant do it. I always put in the flight and either have the PAX go a bit early and gets its ticketed at their ticketing desk, or contact their airport office on phone- but sometimes hard to get thru to them
Post by: yandmk on June 18, 2018, 10:24:07 AM
Any flight cancelation.All of which is pretty ridiculous.
They cant do it on phone, I always put in the flight and either have the PAX go a bit early and gets its ticketed at their ticketing desk, or contact their airport office on phone- but sometimes hard to get thru to them
I've had PS rebook passengers on LY on the phone (like all other airlines do). I've also had that they would hold up the KBP - TLV flight when the flight from JFK was delayed if a significant percentage of the flight was continuing to TLV. SU refused to hold a flight for a few minutes and left many passengers stranded in Moscow Purim night. On top of that they denied ANY compensation, blatantly lying about bad weather in Moscow. (They were delayed 1.5 hours in NY, and according to Accuweather history, there was 0.2in of snow on that date in Moscow (and no snow before or after either).
But again, none of these are amazing....
Post by: mendyt on June 18, 2018, 10:28:43 AM
All of which is pretty ridiculous.I agree that PS is much easier to deal with, but SU is not impossible
I've had PS rebook passengers on LY on the phone (like all other airlines do). I've also had that they would hold up the KBP - TLV flight when the flight from JFK was delayed if a significant percentage of the flight was continuing to TLV. SU refused to hold a flight for a few minutes and left many passengers stranded in Moscow Purim night. On top of that they denied ANY compensation, blatantly lying about bad weather in Moscow. (They were delayed 1.5 hours in NY, and according to Accuweather history, there was 0.2in of snow on that date in Moscow (and no snow before or after either).
But again, none of these are amazing....
Post by: shapsam on June 18, 2018, 11:04:23 AM
All of which is pretty ridiculous.I recently had PS rebook on DL (M class).
I've had PS rebook passengers on LY on the phone (like all other airlines do). I've also had that they would hold up the KBP - TLV flight when the flight from JFK was delayed if a significant percentage of the flight was continuing to TLV. SU refused to hold a flight for a few minutes and left many passengers stranded in Moscow Purim night. On top of that they denied ANY compensation, blatantly lying about bad weather in Moscow. (They were delayed 1.5 hours in NY, and according to Accuweather history, there was 0.2in of snow on that date in Moscow (and no snow before or after either).
But again, none of these are amazing....
Post by: eliraps on June 18, 2018, 12:27:37 PM
Is there an EU equivalent of DoT that may do something?
Post by: Buruch on June 20, 2018, 04:48:42 AM
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/279164/norwegian-expands-tel-aviv-network-in-w18/
2x weekly Oslo (1 of which is on shabbos) and daily Rome flights being added by Norwegian.
Cheapest flights to rome are 80 each way. Ryanair often has for about 55. Let's see if they come down...
Post by: ysilb1 on June 20, 2018, 10:02:37 AM
1-July 16 return Aug 1
2- Aug 7 return Aug 15
Selling for $1500
Post by: shapsam on June 20, 2018, 10:27:10 AM
Have 2 Alitalia Business Class RT tickets JFK-TLV 2 hour stopHow can you change the name?
1-July 16 return Aug 1
2- Aug 7 return Aug 15
Selling for $1500
Post by: shapsam on June 20, 2018, 12:41:34 PM
Post by: travel agent on June 20, 2018, 01:03:32 PM
Why does UA have a 3rd flight EWR-TLV on Yom Kippur 09/19 at 5:05am and returning TLV-EWR motzei Yom Kippur?
they have it every year, probably because of the demand from TLV, but who is flying on the outbound?
Post by: ExGingi on June 20, 2018, 01:15:21 PM
they have it every year, probably because of the demand from TLV, but who is flying on the outbound?@ChaimMoskowitz might have the entire cabin to himself and family.
Post by: flyingace on June 20, 2018, 02:59:45 PM
Aeroflot is one of the hardest airlines to deal with in case of IROPS. Both getting rebooked, and getting compensation.Is Ukraine Air the same, better, or worse than Aeroflot, overall?
Post by: miles lover on June 21, 2018, 04:28:18 AM
Post by: ysilb1 on June 21, 2018, 05:38:20 PM
Post by: ysilb1 on June 21, 2018, 05:38:57 PM
How can you change the name?
They allow to change the name
Post by: Yaalili on June 22, 2018, 12:37:45 AM
Is Ukraine Air the same, better, or worse than Aeroflot, overall?
Was just asked above on the 17th.
Post by: tavster on June 24, 2018, 08:39:39 AM
Post by: Baglach on June 25, 2018, 05:19:20 PM
Post by: yandmk on June 28, 2018, 08:34:16 AM
Post by: shapsam on June 28, 2018, 08:38:01 AM
TLV - RZE weekly Sunday flight from LO now operated by 737 MAX 8Is that good or bad?
Post by: yandmk on June 28, 2018, 08:45:40 AM
Is that good or bad?Why would that be bad?
Post by: Dan on June 28, 2018, 08:47:12 AM
Post by: yandmk on June 28, 2018, 08:56:48 AM
The max is short for max pain.According to SeatGuru the pitch and width are the same as on the 737-800
https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/LOT_Polish_Airlines/LOT_Polish_Airlines_LO_Boeing_737_MAX_8.php
https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/LOT_Polish_Airlines/LOT_Polish_Airlines_Boeing_737-800.php
(737-400 was better though)
https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/LOT_Polish_Airlines/LOT_Polish_Airlines_Boeing_737-400.php
Post by: ExGingi on July 05, 2018, 02:26:04 PM
https://www.calcalist.co.il/local/articles/0,7340,L-3741781,00.html
Post by: Yaalili on July 08, 2018, 12:24:52 AM
The following schedule is effective for the week of 10MAY19.
LY001 TLV0030 – 0510JFK 744 x6
LY007 TLV1030 – 1510JFK 744 x56
LY011 TLV1600 – 2040JFK 744 147
LY004 JFK1315 – 0640+1TLV 744 147
LY002 JFK1800 – 1125+1TLV 744 x56
LY008 JFK2345 – 1710+1TLV 744 x5
The 787-9 will operate New York JFK route once again from 16JUN19.
Post by: Yaalili on July 08, 2018, 12:28:43 AM
UX announcing seasonal service MAD-ETH 1x week starting October 30.
Probably VDA. ETH only for short-haul.
Post by: zagguru on July 08, 2018, 01:03:26 AM
El Al Israel Airlines in recent schedule update extended Boeing 747-400 service into summer 2019 season, effective 31MAR19. In summer 2019 season, the 747 is scheduled to operate Tel Aviv – New York JFK route.
The following schedule is effective for the week of 10MAY19.
LY001 TLV0030 – 0510JFK 744 x6
LY007 TLV1030 – 1510JFK 744 x56
LY011 TLV1600 – 2040JFK 744 147
LY004 JFK1315 – 0640+1TLV 744 147
LY002 JFK1800 – 1125+1TLV 744 x56
LY008 JFK2345 – 1710+1TLV 744 x5
The 787-9 will operate New York JFK route once again from 16JUN19.
Does this affect this summer as well?
Post by: Luvisrael on July 09, 2018, 07:59:38 AM
Post by: moish on July 09, 2018, 09:00:01 AM
On Hulyo website, can I use an American credit card?Pretty sure no
Post by: yandmk on July 09, 2018, 10:43:06 AM
Interestingly, they aren't selling F on the route now. I wonder why, and who will get seated in the F cabin (it's just grey on the seating map)
Post by: shimino1 on July 09, 2018, 11:11:52 AM
Starting Aug 1st, one daily LX flight between ZRH and TLV is operated by a 77W.How is this any different then the a330 they fly now? They have F that they don't sell.
Interestingly, they aren't selling F on the route now. I wonder why, and who will get seated in the F cabin (it's just grey on the seating map)
HON members supposedly can sit in the F seats or you can pay about 300 Euro to sit there.
Post by: yandmk on July 09, 2018, 11:17:33 AM
How is this any different then the a330 they fly now? They have F that they don't sell.Correct. Never noticed that the a330 had F.
HON members supposedly can sit in the F seats or you can pay about 300 Euro to sit there.
(Never available for award anyway, so not too relevant)
Post by: ExGingi on July 09, 2018, 11:18:53 AM
Starting Aug 1st, one daily LX flight between ZRH and TLV is operated by a 77W.The sad part is that the other flight is moving to single aisle equipment.
Interestingly, they aren't selling F on the route now. I wonder why, and who will get seated in the F cabin (it's just grey on the seating map)
Post by: yandmk on July 09, 2018, 11:38:54 AM
The sad part is that the other flight is moving to single aisle equipment.I'm not by a computer now, but I'm quite sure the second flight is still a a330. Maybe you're confusing with the codeshared flight with LY?
Post by: ExGingi on July 09, 2018, 11:41:58 AM
I'm not by a computer now, but I'm quite sure the second flight is still a a330. Maybe you're confusing with the codeshared flight with LY?It is initially, but if you check November the second flight is an A321.
(https://i.imgur.com/hrwwxPC.png)
Post by: shapsam on July 09, 2018, 11:43:52 AM
I'm not by a computer now, but I'm quite sure the second flight is still a a330. Maybe you're confusing with the codeshared flight with LY?They're also throwing in the A340 on some days.
Post by: shapsam on July 09, 2018, 11:45:20 AM
It is initially, but if you check November the second flight is an A321.IINM they always had narrow bodies on some days.
(https://i.imgur.com/hrwwxPC.png)
Post by: yandmk on July 09, 2018, 11:46:13 AM
They're also throwing in the A340 on some days.Noticed that too. But only once in a while
Post by: shapsam on July 09, 2018, 11:48:16 AM
Noticed that too. But only once in a whileAnyways, the seats look identical on all 3.
Post by: yandmk on July 09, 2018, 11:50:39 AM
Anyways, the seats look identical on all 3.But unfortunately not on the forth (a321). One of the best connection options to the US for a full J product with decent award availability
Post by: Yaalili on July 09, 2018, 08:53:35 PM
LY053 TLV0550 – 1450JNB 772 5
LY051 TLV2030 – 0530+1JNB 772 37
LY052 JNB2100 – 0605+1TLV 772 14
LY052 JNB2145 – 0650+1TLV 772 6
Post by: yandmk on July 10, 2018, 03:42:41 PM
Seems like it's supposed to be Wizz Air. Not sure what the mistake is. Who ever heard of Air Bagan anyway...?
Post by: ExGingi on July 10, 2018, 04:05:48 PM
As seen on Kayak right now... Is AA adding a 5th freedom flight to TLV? ;)Maybe they serve B'gan KSML ;D
Seems like it's supposed to be Wizz Air. Not sure what the mistake is. Who ever heard of Air Bagan anyway...?
Post by: travel agent on July 11, 2018, 05:32:30 PM
Tel Aviv – Bangkok
31MAR19 – 29JUN19 Boeing 747-400 replaced by 767-300ER and 777-200ER, 3 weekly each.
eff 30JUN19 1 of 6 weekly operated by 787-9, the remainder operates with 777-200ER
Tel Aviv – Boston eff 02JUL19 777-200ER replaces 767-300ER, 3 weekly (767 operating from 31MAR19 to 01JUL19)
Tel Aviv – London Heathrow eff 01JUL19 747-400 once again scheduled to operate 2-3 weekly
Tel Aviv – Mumbai eff 30JUN19 777-200ER replaces 767-300, overall reduces from 4 to 3 weekly
Tel Aviv – Toronto eff 30JUN19 787-9 replaces 767-300ER, overall reduces from 4 to 3 weekly
Separately, the airline’s Boeing 767 aircraft is tentatively scheduled until late-June 2019. Previously reported, the airline’s 747-400 operation has been extended into summer 2019 season, mainly operating Tel Aviv – New York JFK route. Planned Tel Aviv – San Francisco launch remains unchanged on 13MAY19. Additional changes will be made in the next few weeks.
Post by: yandmk on July 11, 2018, 05:52:37 PM
El Al S19 service changes as of 10JUL18Nice to see YYZ finally on the horizon for a Dreamliner. I thought they were waiting for 787-8 deliveries. Perhaps maybe that's why they're reducing to 3x weekly.
Tel Aviv – Bangkok
31MAR19 – 29JUN19 Boeing 747-400 replaced by 767-300ER and 777-200ER, 3 weekly each.
eff 30JUN19 1 of 6 weekly operated by 787-9, the remainder operates with 777-200ER
Tel Aviv – Boston eff 02JUL19 777-200ER replaces 767-300ER, 3 weekly (767 operating from 31MAR19 to 01JUL19)
Tel Aviv – London Heathrow eff 01JUL19 747-400 once again scheduled to operate 2-3 weekly
Tel Aviv – Mumbai eff 30JUN19 777-200ER replaces 767-300, overall reduces from 4 to 3 weekly
Tel Aviv – Toronto eff 30JUN19 787-9 replaces 767-300ER, overall reduces from 4 to 3 weekly
Separately, the airline’s Boeing 767 aircraft is tentatively scheduled until late-June 2019. Previously reported, the airline’s 747-400 operation has been extended into summer 2019 season, mainly operating Tel Aviv – New York JFK route. Planned Tel Aviv – San Francisco launch remains unchanged on 13MAY19. Additional changes will be made in the next few weeks.
But I wouldn't rely on any of this as accurate, until it's within 5-6 months of the flight. As we've seen in the past year, they keep changing their plans on which aircraft should serve which route.
Post by: shapsam on July 11, 2018, 06:02:22 PM
Nice to see YYZ finally on the horizon for a Dreamliner. I thought they were waiting for 787-8 deliveries. Perhaps maybe that's why they're reducing to 3x weekly.It changes together with their CEOs.
But I wouldn't rely on any of this as accurate, until it's within 5-6 months of the flight. As we've seen in the past year, they keep changing their plans on which aircraft should serve which route.
Post by: travel agent on July 11, 2018, 06:13:19 PM
Post by: Yaalili on July 13, 2018, 12:59:49 PM
Following schedule is effective for summer 2019 season from 22APR19. Operational day varies between 25FEB19 and 21APR19.
LO159 KRK0550 – 1025TLV 738 24
LO160 TLV2115 – 2359KRK 738 13
Post by: Kabrams1618 on July 16, 2018, 01:04:09 AM
Post by: chff on July 16, 2018, 01:08:18 AM
Why does UA have a 3rd flight EWR-TLV on Yom Kippur 09/19 at 5:05am and returning TLV-EWR motzei Yom Kippur?
they have it every year, probably because of the demand from TLV, but who is flying on the outbound?Every year. TLV is closed Yom Kippur meaning the day before United can't fly there, so in order to maintain the 2 daily flights out of TLV YK morning they fly from NY which arrives Motzai YK in TLV
Post by: chff on July 16, 2018, 01:09:01 AM
The max is short for max pain.
For LH and AA true
Post by: Luvisrael on July 16, 2018, 03:19:20 AM
We are considering paphos but have read such horror stories of ryan air. Are flights into larnaca better? Which airline is recommended? Any other close places as a suggestion for a quick getaway over the next few weeks. Everything seems so expensive but this is the time we have.For an hour ride , how bad can it be? Also , look at hulyo.co.il they have deals.
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on July 16, 2018, 07:40:13 AM
Post by: yandmk on July 16, 2018, 07:52:41 AM
Does Delta have WiFi TLV-JFK?Yes. Also, free messaging for all passengers
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on July 16, 2018, 08:52:24 AM
Yes. Also, free messaging for all passengers
Thanks! (Why does the website list no amenities?)
What can I expect in terms of drinks, etc.?
Post by: Kabrams1618 on July 18, 2018, 07:34:51 AM
Post by: travel agent on July 18, 2018, 07:42:27 AM
any info?
Post by: tavster on July 18, 2018, 10:06:18 AM
PR: "Jerusalem, July 18, 2018 - The German airline Lufthansa, which is celebrating 50 years of operations in Israel, is expanding its activity to another destination in Israel - Eilat (Ovdah). The company will operate four weekly flights on A320 aircraft to Ovdah, with two weekly flights from Frankfurt on Sundays and Mondays (from October 28, 2018) and two weekly flights from Munich on Tuesdays and Saturdays (beginning November 8, 2018)."
Post by: Yaalili on July 18, 2018, 10:24:03 AM
WK166/LX8166 ZRH1235 – 1800VDA 320 7
WK167/LX8167 VDA1850 – 2230ZRH 320 7
Post by: G11600 on July 18, 2018, 10:25:05 AM
is ryanair ending flying from TLV? they are not selling any flights after the end of Oct. yesterday it was still available.
any info?
Note they are adding AMM and Aqaba. Wonder if it's connected...
https://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/2018/07/18/ryanair-jordan-flights/
Post by: G11600 on July 18, 2018, 10:25:49 AM
Edelweiss Air in winter 2018/19 season is adding new service to Israel, with the offering of Tel Aviv – Eilat/Ovda route. From 28OCT18, Airbus A320 aircraft will operate this route once a week on Sundays.
WK166/LX8166 ZRH1235 – 1800VDA 320 7
WK167/LX8167 VDA1850 – 2230ZRH 320 7
Zurich - Eilat, not Tel Aviv to Eilat
Post by: Yaalili on July 18, 2018, 10:53:14 AM
Zurich - Eilat, not Tel Aviv to Eilat
Good catch. Did a copy paste from Airlineroute that had it written like that.
Post by: Dan on July 18, 2018, 10:59:00 AM
Post by: yelped on July 18, 2018, 11:24:43 AM
Post by: yandmk on July 18, 2018, 11:34:44 AM
Post by: Dan on July 18, 2018, 01:13:27 PM
Post by: Baglach on July 18, 2018, 01:19:07 PM
Anyone even book Edelweiss with UA miles?The 1255pm flight ZRH-JFK and 9pm JFK-ZRH is edelweiss and can be booked on UA
Post by: shapsam on July 18, 2018, 01:40:46 PM
The 1255pm flight ZRH-JFK and 9pm JFK-ZRH is edelweiss and can be booked on UAThey fly to JFK? AFAIK those flights are operated by LX.
Post by: Yaalili on July 18, 2018, 01:45:37 PM
They fly to JFK? AFAIK those flights are operated by LX.
Correct.
WK only flies to DEN, LAS, MCO, SAN and TPA in the US.
Post by: yelped on July 18, 2018, 02:02:22 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1019358211072282624Who is this guy? What's his claim to fame/creds?
Post by: Yaalili on July 18, 2018, 02:06:13 PM
Who is this guy? What's his claim to fame/creds?
A reliable AA insider IIRC.
Post by: yelped on July 18, 2018, 02:12:37 PM
ETA: Check out this tweet from him. Might want to cross post it, too.
https://mobile.twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1018669344128208896
Post by: ExGingi on July 18, 2018, 02:21:33 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1019358211072282624What does 2nd frame mean?
Post by: shapsam on July 18, 2018, 02:26:56 PM
What does 2nd frame mean?In order to have daily flights they need to use 2 aircraft
Post by: ExGingi on July 18, 2018, 02:28:57 PM
In order to have daily flights they need to use 2 aircraftThanks for the explanation. And that kills profitability?
Post by: Luvisrael on July 18, 2018, 06:20:15 PM
Post by: travel agent on July 19, 2018, 07:58:02 AM
Anyone fly Wizzair recently to Budapest? Are they very strict on extra personal bags?
from TLV they are not strict at all, its not them its Jews
Post by: Luvisrael on July 19, 2018, 08:56:58 AM
from TLV they are not strict at all, its not them its Jewswhat do u mean?
Post by: shimino1 on July 19, 2018, 04:05:27 PM
what do u mean?It means that Wizz air and most/all of the low cost carriers don't put people on their payroll just to check people in for flights from Tel Aviv to wherever. Instead, they hire one of the two or three companies that do the ground services on behalf of the airlines.
The same four or five agents will be wearing the Wizz air uniform and do check in and boarding for the flight and an hour later they will put on the EasyJet uniform and do the same for the Easyjet flight. After that they will work the Ryan air flight, etc' etc'.
If your'e not blatantly breaking the rules, they really couldn't care less about collecting ancillary fees since they don't make any more money doing so.
Post by: moe8555 on July 21, 2018, 11:45:54 PM
Anyone fly Wizzair recently to Budapest? Are they very strict on extra personal bags?
On my recent trip to Varna, nobody was called out for oversize carryons in either direction, and certainly not for having an extra backpack or plastic bag.
In Varna, they truly honored the Wizz Priority service every step of the way: early segregated boarding (including the ability to show up after boarding started and jump the line) and a special segregated part of the bus with first right of getting on the plane (they opened the bus doors in the Priority part of the bus and allowed us to get on the plane before all the rest).
Post by: chff on July 21, 2018, 11:56:35 PM
It means that Wizz air and most/all of the low cost carriers don't put people on their payroll just to check people in for flights from Tel Aviv to wherever. Instead, they hire one of the two or three companies that do the ground services on behalf of the airlines.Which airline excepts Elal has their own staff? All belong to a contracted ground company (Like Laufer or GHI). Same is worldwide
The same four or five agents will be wearing the Wizz air uniform and do check in and boarding for the flight and an hour later they will put on the EasyJet uniform and do the same for the Easyjet flight. After that they will work the Ryan air flight, etc' etc'.
If your'e not blatantly breaking the rules, they really couldn't care less about collecting ancillary fees since they don't make any more money doing so.
TWA still has issues with their own staff in TLV
Post by: jose34 on July 23, 2018, 06:06:26 AM
Post by: Ergel on July 23, 2018, 10:36:33 AM
Which airline excepts Elal has their own staff? All belong to a contracted ground company (Like Laufer or GHI). Same is worldwidePretty sure air Canada has staff
TWA still has issues with their own staff in TLV
Post by: yandmk on July 23, 2018, 10:39:14 AM
Interesting. Luftansa is launching service to Eilat ( VDA) in October. Seems like prices to Germany are cheap the question will this effect pricing to America. Will flying to America be cheaper if you go through VDA?Flying to America from Eilat isn't very convenient. I assume most would prefer a double stop, over driving down south
Post by: Yaalili on July 23, 2018, 05:40:44 PM
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-sichuan-airlines-to-launch-tel-aviv-chengdu-route-1001226732
Sichuan Airlines from September 2018 is adding scheduled service to Israel, as the airline opened Chengdu – Tel Aviv bookings from 26SEP18. Airbus A330-200 aircraft will operate this route twice a week.
3U8561 CTU0215 – 0735TLV 332 37
3U8562 TLV1535 – 0600+1CTU 332 37
The airline's schedule listing shows service to commence on 29JUL18, however flights on/after 26SEP18 is open for reservation.
Post by: jose34 on July 26, 2018, 06:44:37 PM
Would any recommend trying to fly in these 787 as opposed XL's A330 's?
Post by: ExGingi on July 27, 2018, 01:59:08 AM
Post by: Yaalili on July 31, 2018, 07:13:08 AM
Tel Aviv – Toronto eff 30JUN19 787-9 replaces 767-300ER, overall reduces from 4 to 3 weekly
789 service starting earlier to YYZ.
El Al Israel Airlines in recent schedule update filed aircraft changes for Tel Aviv – Toronto service, currently operated by Boeing 767. From 13JAN19, the airline will begin Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner service, operating 3 times a week during winter season.
LY029 TLV0045 – 0600YYZ 789 247
LY030 YYZ1300 – 0635+1TLV 789 27
LY032 YYZ1745 – 1145+1TLV 789 4
Post by: Yaalili on August 01, 2018, 01:41:46 PM
Tel Aviv – London Heathrow LY315/316 Check again
25APR19 (27APR19 from LHR as LY318)
17JUN19 – 17JUL19 Day 13
18JUL19 – 29AUG19 Day 134
Tel Aviv – Rome LY385/386 14APR19 – 28APR18 Day 7
Post by: tavster on August 02, 2018, 03:08:10 PM
"United Airlines just announced plans to begin nonstop service from its Dulles hub in Washington, DC (IAD) to Tel Aviv (TLV), launching May 22, 2019.
The new flight will be operated by a 777-200ER with the following schedule:
UA72 Washington, DC (IAD) 10:30pm Departure → Tel Aviv (TLV) 4:30pm (+1) Arrival (Wed, Fri, Sun)
UA73 Tel Aviv (TLV) 12:20am Departure → Washington, DC (IAD) 5:50am Arrival (Tues, Fri, Sun)"
Post by: davidrotts63 on August 02, 2018, 03:14:25 PM
https://thepointsguy.com/news/united-iad-tlv/https://www.dansdeals.com/?p=157812
"United Airlines just announced plans to begin nonstop service from its Dulles hub in Washington, DC (IAD) to Tel Aviv (TLV), launching May 22, 2019.
The new flight will be operated by a 777-200ER with the following schedule:
UA72 Washington, DC (IAD) 10:30pm Departure → Tel Aviv (TLV) 4:30pm (+1) Arrival (Wed, Fri, Sun)
UA73 Tel Aviv (TLV) 12:20am Departure → Washington, DC (IAD) 5:50am Arrival (Tues, Fri, Sun)"
https://www.dansdeals.com/?p=157816
Post by: tavster on August 02, 2018, 03:15:42 PM
https://www.dansdeals.com/?p=157812Sorry! (I never go on the website)
https://www.dansdeals.com/?p=157816
Post by: Yaalili on August 02, 2018, 03:52:13 PM
Sorry! (I never go on the website)
So you go to TPG website and not DD??
Post by: tavster on August 02, 2018, 03:58:20 PM
So you go to TPG website and not DD??For some reason I always assumed that everything first gets discussed on the forum, and then the key takeaways get published on DD.. my mistake :)
Post by: jose34 on August 03, 2018, 01:51:36 AM
https://www.dansdeals.com/?p=157812
https://www.dansdeals.com/?p=157816
Yay! Been waiting for this for a long time!
Post by: davidrotts63 on August 03, 2018, 02:03:23 AM
So you go to TPG website and not DD??Just the thought of that urks me
Post by: brodes18 on August 03, 2018, 09:21:42 AM
Hong Kong – Tel Aviv eff 03OCT18 Planned A350-1000XWB service entry unchanged, replacing -900XWB (Except Tuesdays until 23OCT18). From 28OCT18, A350-1000XWB continues operating this route until 30NOV18
Post by: chff on August 04, 2018, 10:10:31 PM
continuing to hear murmurs about this (PHL-TLV) although I'm still not elevating the potential likelihood of it from the above until/unless more info trickles out, probably next year.
— JonNYC (@xJonNYC) August 4, 2018
Post by: Yaalili on August 05, 2018, 09:52:08 PM
Quote
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has ordered the advancement of a plan to build a new international airport on an artificial island off his country’s Mediterranean coast.
According to a statement from the Prime Minister’s Office, the directive was given at a ministerial committee meeting held earlier this week.
The government decided to evacuate Sde Dov Airport and transfer all flights to Ben-Gurion Airport.
Ben-Gurion International Airport is believed to be too small to accommodate the ever-growing number of visitors to Israel expected in the coming years.
“In order to provide for the accelerated growth in the number of tourists arriving in Israel,” the statement said, “Prime Minister Netanyahu directed that a plan be advanced to build an airport on an artificial island adjacent to the coast of the State of Israel.”
Post by: ExGingi on August 06, 2018, 02:51:20 PM
https://www.collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=51771&alias=new-island-airport-for-israel
Speaking of which. Here's some of the technology at use:
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-israeli-army-reveals-its-answer-to-hamas-naval-commandos-1.6342855
Post by: Kabrams1618 on August 07, 2018, 12:53:40 AM
Post by: Proisrael on August 07, 2018, 07:53:47 AM
Post by: Kabrams1618 on August 07, 2018, 07:59:28 AM
Post by: Proisrael on August 07, 2018, 08:15:01 AM
https://thepointsguy.com/news/united-iad-tlv/
"United Airlines just announced plans to begin nonstop service from its Dulles hub in Washington, DC (IAD) to Tel Aviv (TLV), launching May 22, 2019.
The new flight will be operated by a 777-200ER with the following schedule:
UA72 Washington, DC (IAD) 10:30pm Departure → Tel Aviv (TLV) 4:30pm (+1) Arrival (Wed, Fri, Sun)
UA73 Tel Aviv (TLV) 12:20am Departure → Washington, DC (IAD) 5:50am Arrival (Tues, Fri, Sun)"
Took 5 days for every saver ticket to be sold.....
Post by: Dan on August 07, 2018, 10:13:12 AM
Likely mistake.
Post by: shapsam on August 15, 2018, 09:44:23 AM
TLV-ODS $119 round trip
Dates available from October through February.
Post by: lifetimedeals on August 15, 2018, 11:19:23 AM
Post by: shapsam on August 15, 2018, 11:26:03 AM
Who has a better economy class to TLV Austrian or LOT?IINM OS offers a full meal service as appose to LO.
Post by: lifetimedeals on August 15, 2018, 11:43:48 AM
IINM OS offers a full meal service as appose to LO.Thanks, OS?
Post by: shapsam on August 15, 2018, 11:46:19 AM
Thanks, OS?Airline code for Austrian airlines.
Post by: lifetimedeals on August 15, 2018, 11:54:50 AM
IINM OS offers a full meal service as appose to LO.Anyone flown both that can clarify? Thanks.
Post by: matis on August 15, 2018, 12:42:44 PM
Looking for ORD-TLV flights in business/first with readily available award space (ie, not UA from EWR), and that have lie-flat hard product for entire trip.
As far as I can tell, there are no good options where the second leg (Europe-TLV) is on true wide body with lay flat hard product, except for Turkish. I've looked at Swiss, Austrian, LOT, Luftansa, BA, Air France, and KLM. Am I missing something? What's the best way to solve this?
Thanks in advance.
Post by: shapsam on August 15, 2018, 03:16:11 PM
Ukraine Intl TLV-KBP or KBP-TLV $115 round trip$98 if booked directly on their website flyuia.com
TLV-ODS $119 round trip
Dates available from October through February.
Post by: Yaalili on August 21, 2018, 07:55:12 AM
Post by: yitrap on August 21, 2018, 07:59:55 AM
New member - apologies if this has been discussed before.Swiss and BA do offer a lie flat option, IINM Iberia offers once a day as well
Looking for ORD-TLV flights in business/first with readily available award space (ie, not UA from EWR), and that have lie-flat hard product for entire trip.
As far as I can tell, there are no good options where the second leg (Europe-TLV) is on true wide body with lay flat hard product, except for Turkish. I've looked at Swiss, Austrian, LOT, Luftansa, BA, Air France, and KLM. Am I missing something? What's the best way to solve this?
Thanks in advance.
Post by: a mirrer on August 21, 2018, 08:05:40 AM
Swiss and BA do offer a lie flat option, IINM Iberia offers once a day as wellSU offers it on some flight as well
Post by: ExGingi on August 21, 2018, 08:29:20 AM
SU offers it on some flight as wellSU is angle flat on the wide body ex-TLV IINM (not bad IMHO). Though I don't know if they fly into ORD.
Post by: a mirrer on August 21, 2018, 08:35:08 AM
SU is angle flat on the wide body ex-TLV IINM (not bad IMHO). Though I don't know if they fly into ORD.depends what plane you get the 777 is lie flat IINM
Post by: hvaces42 on August 21, 2018, 11:39:32 PM
Post by: Yaalili on August 22, 2018, 10:26:08 AM
http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1402087
Post by: ExGingi on August 22, 2018, 10:30:34 AM
Delta will go double daily on JFK-TLV next summer.
http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1402087
Should have posted link to original article (https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-5333324,00.html) (though in Hebrew), which also mentions that UX is increasing their TLV schedule to daily flights rather than 5 flights per week.
Post by: chff on August 22, 2018, 11:46:28 AM
.@Delta has some news routes and added frequencies for the summer 2019 schedule.
— Jason Rabinowitz (@AirlineFlyer) August 22, 2018
It's also canceling the PIT-CDG route pic.twitter.com/aQLWeIx4yV
Post by: ExGingi on August 28, 2018, 02:53:00 PM
New option to China
Post by: Yaalili on August 28, 2018, 03:05:58 PM
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-sichuan-airlines-to-start-flights-to-israel-1001251600
New option to China
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=30483.msg1964576#msg1964576
Post by: ExGingi on August 28, 2018, 10:25:36 PM
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=30483.msg1964576#msg1964576
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-sichuan-airlines-to-start-flights-to-israel-1001251600
New option to China
כל פרשה שנאמרה ונשנית, לא נשנית אלא לדבר שנתחדש בה
I didn't point it out in my post, but article adds fare information as well as information about connecting to other Chinese cities for no additional fare.
Post by: zow on September 05, 2018, 04:56:22 PM
For all pax, or just J?
And is the drinking age 18y ex-TLV, or does it go by the carrier's home country (US)? Or is it YMMV depending on the FA?
(Will ask DS to provide DP when he returns, IYH).
Post by: Dan on September 05, 2018, 04:59:21 PM
Do I recall correctly that UA serves Covenant wines ex-TLV?They got rid of kosher wines :(
For all pax, or just J?
And is the drinking age 18y ex-TLV, or does it go by the carrier's home country (US)? Or is it YMMV depending on the FA?
(Will ask DS to provide DP when he returns, IYH).
Post by: zow on September 05, 2018, 05:08:23 PM
They got rid of kosher wines :(:(
Post by: PlatinumGuy on September 05, 2018, 09:59:25 PM
Do I recall correctly that UA serves Covenant wines ex-TLV?I was typically served freely even on domestic flights <21
For all pax, or just J?
And is the drinking age 18y ex-TLV, or does it go by the carrier's home country (US)? Or is it YMMV depending on the FA?
(Will ask DS to provide DP when he returns, IYH).
Post by: elya on September 05, 2018, 10:03:17 PM
:(Dont fret, was undrinkable.
Post by: davidrotts63 on September 05, 2018, 11:13:01 PM
I was typically served freely even on domestic flights <21+1
Post by: zow on September 06, 2018, 08:33:51 AM
I was typically served freely even on domestic flights <21
+1
My son was denied before when he was 18 or 19. I don't remember the route. He has kind of a baby face. :)
Post by: zow on September 06, 2018, 08:34:29 AM
Dont fret, was undrinkable.Really? I thought Covenant was supposed to be pretty good. :o
Post by: davidrotts63 on September 06, 2018, 01:45:44 PM
My son was denied before when he was 18 or 19. I don't remember the route. He has kind of a baby face. :)A beard is the way to go :)
Post by: elya on September 06, 2018, 01:47:17 PM
Really? I thought Covenant was supposed to be pretty good. :oWas not the expensive Covenant you are thinking of, it was cheap undrinkable Cr*p!
Post by: zow on September 06, 2018, 01:52:40 PM
A beard is the way to go :)He's 20 and I'm pretty sure he's not shaving more than every few days yet.Growing a beard is some time way down the road.
Post by: zow on September 06, 2018, 01:53:18 PM
Was not the expensive Covenant you are thinking of, it was cheap undrinkable Cr*p!:)
Post by: davidrotts63 on September 06, 2018, 01:54:30 PM
He's 20 and I'm pretty sure he's not shaving more than every few days yet.Growing a beard is some time way down the road.Well at 18 I've gotten with scruff (only tried when I thought I can pass as 21+). So the time for a beard is 18-20, at 21+ it's pointless ;)
Post by: Yaalili on September 12, 2018, 04:28:45 PM
Lisbon – Tel Aviv eff 31MAR19 1 daily A321 (Previously served from October 1993 to April 1997)
TP1603 LIS1420 – 2130TLV 321 D
TP1604 TLV0505 – 0900LIS 321 D
Post by: Yaalili on September 12, 2018, 04:31:20 PM
Tel Aviv – Salzburg eff 08APR19 2 weekly 737-800
LY5193 TLV1730 – 2045SZG 738 14
LY5194 SZG2150 – 0240+1TLV 738 14
Tel Aviv – Thessaloniki eff 14APR19 2 weekly 737-800
LY5147 TLV2000 – 2245SKG 738 47
LY5148 SKG2345 – 0205+1TLV 738 47
Post by: PlatinumGuy on September 12, 2018, 04:32:17 PM
Nice new route! TAP often has very good economy and business class fares, which can work one way too. They also offer a free stopover in Lisbon option.Nice. Clearly timed for inbound connecting pax and wasting a lot of time on the ground in TLV for that
Lisbon – Tel Aviv eff 31MAR19 1 daily A321 (Previously served from October 1993 to April 1997)
TP1603 LIS1420 – 2130TLV 321 D
TP1604 TLV0505 – 0900LIS 321 D
Post by: PlatinumGuy on September 12, 2018, 04:38:22 PM
Refundable with a $150 charge is great.
Post by: Buruch on September 17, 2018, 08:52:12 AM
I'm looking at the less used programs like Etihad or Emirates who have partnerships with random European airlines, but so far no luck.
Post by: yandmk on September 17, 2018, 08:55:09 AM
Post by: Buruch on September 17, 2018, 08:57:23 AM
BA or LY?
Which partners?
Post by: yandmk on September 17, 2018, 09:00:47 AM
Which partners?Not necessarily partners. Their own metal. They both often have decent mileage deals to Europe
Post by: Buruch on September 17, 2018, 09:07:13 AM
Not necessarily partners. Their own metal. They both often have decent mileage deals to Europe
To fly ba I would have to go cross Europe. How would that be a good deal on a distance based chart?
I was under under the impression ElAl is always a rip off, so didn't bother checking. Do any ElAl partners have good rates on ElAl metal?
Post by: yandmk on September 17, 2018, 09:46:14 AM
To fly ba I would have to go cross Europe. How would that be a good deal on a distance based chart?Why do you need specifically distance based? BA is 10k from TLV to LON + YQ
I was under under the impression ElAl is always a rip off, so didn't bother checking. Do any ElAl partners have good rates on ElAl metal?
LY has some decent deals on some routes to Europe, not all. You can transfer from AX to LY. If you insist on distance based, you can book LY via Qantas. But you would need TY points for that.
Post by: Buruch on September 17, 2018, 10:15:56 AM
Why do you need specifically distance based? BA is 10k from TLV to LON + YQ
LY has some decent deals on some routes to Europe, not all. You can transfer from AX to LY. If you insist on distance based, you can book LY via Qantas. But you would need TY points for that.
I don't need distance based, but I figured it would be the best deal for countries closer to Israel.
BA is 10k plus yq to London, so would be even more to other destinations. I'm looking for 10-15k rt to compete with ulcc.
Post by: ExGingi on September 17, 2018, 12:20:30 PM
I don't need distance based, but I figured it would be the best deal for countries closer to Israel.
BA is 10k plus yq to London, so would be even more to other destinations. I'm looking for 10-15k rt to compete with ulcc.
Etihad should get you on JU (no idea what redemption rates are) and FlyingBlue can get you on RO, both JU and RO have (almost) no YQ. If there's any *A that is distance based, A3 flies to LCA and ATH.
Post by: a mirrer on September 17, 2018, 01:02:55 PM
Etihad should get you on JU (no idea what redemption rates are) and FlyingBlue can get you on RO, both JU and RO have (almost) no YQ. If there's any *A that is distance based, A3 flies to LCA and ATH.You also have IB on vueling which can be quite decent rates
Post by: ExGingi on September 17, 2018, 01:05:39 PM
You also have IB on vueling which can be quite decent rates
Correct. But isn't Vueling a LCC? (maybe not ULCC, so might still be an alternative to ULCC, just wondering).
Post by: Buruch on September 17, 2018, 04:00:04 PM
You also have IB on vueling which can be quite decent rates
It's always been high when I checked, but if you say so, I'll keep checking.
Post by: moe8555 on September 17, 2018, 04:50:37 PM
Post by: Buruch on September 18, 2018, 12:31:00 AM
It sounds like for your needs, your best bet is simply using CC points through a portal (Chase/Citi) or a 2%+ cashback card. Then you can simply book the LCC with your points/cashback. Aegean to Cyprus/Greece is only about 15K r/t with their miles. Qantas would be 28K r/t I believe to Sofia/Bucharest on El Al. I think Etihad miles to Prague via Czech is also very low, but they only operate the Smartwings subsidiary now I believe, not sure it can also be booked via Etihad.
The problem is you can't book the ulcc flights through Chase as far as I know.
I thought I remembered seeing cheap flights on Czech to Prague using Etihad points, but I just checked again, and it's not. Maybe because of the switch.
Post by: tavster on September 26, 2018, 06:21:27 AM
Post by: yandmk on September 26, 2018, 06:29:56 AM
https://www.themarker.com/consumer/tourism/1.6510236Any way to read without a subscription?
Post by: ExGingi on September 26, 2018, 06:38:09 AM
Any way to read without a subscription?https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.themarker.com/amp/consumer/tourism/1.6510236
Post by: tavster on September 26, 2018, 07:11:13 AM
flights to Deli we're one thing, but to MUM it's going head to head with a competitive disadvantage..
Post by: yandmk on September 26, 2018, 07:14:27 AM
LY is going to lose it..They will probably just close the route.
flights to Deli we're one thing, but to MUM it's going head to head with a competitive disadvantage..
Post by: tavster on September 26, 2018, 07:15:32 AM
They will probably just close the route.Agreed
Post by: ExGingi on September 26, 2018, 07:39:43 AM
LY is going to lose it..I guess you meant Delhi and BOM :)
flights to Deli we're one thing, but to MUM it's going head to head with a competitive disadvantage..
Post by: tavster on September 26, 2018, 07:46:54 AM
I guess you meant Delhi and BOM :);D
Post by: tavster on September 26, 2018, 08:35:19 AM
They will probably just close the route.Close the route and reallocate the planes to ORD?
Post by: travel agent on October 10, 2018, 04:27:08 PM
Post by: Yaalili on October 19, 2018, 07:24:16 AM
Following schedule is effective for the week of 17JUL19.
LY001 TLV0030 – 0510JFK 744 137
LY001 TLV0030 – 0515JFK 789 245
LY007 TLV1030 – 1510JFK 789 27
LY007 TLV1030 – 1510JFK 744 4
LY007 TLV1030 – 1540JFK 772 5
LY007 TLV1330 – 1810JFK 789 13
LY011 TLV1635 – 2115JFK 789 x567
LY011 TLV1915 – 2355JFK 789 7
LY012 JFK0215 – 1945TLV 789 1
LY004 JFK1100 – 0430+1TLV 789 4
LY004 JFK1315 – 0645+1TLV 789 2
LY004 JFK1315 – 0640+1TLV 744 137
LY002 JFK1800 – 1125+1TLV 744 4
LY002 JFK1800 – 1130+1TLV 789 27
LY002 JFK1950 – 1320+1TLV 789 13
LY014 JFK2145 – 1530+1TLV 772 6
LY008 JFK2345 – 1715+1TLV 789 x567
LY008 JFK2345 – 1730+1TLV 789 6
The Boeing 747 is also scheduled to serve selected European flights throughout summer 2019 season. Additional adjustment to its overall Boeing 747 operation will be made in the next few months.
Post by: luv2trvlwithfam on October 21, 2018, 06:37:22 AM
theres been some talk of them entering the tlv-nyc route 6x week, with A330-900NEO, anyone else hear/read that...
how would that do?
Post by: tavster on October 21, 2018, 08:27:27 AM
Post by: moe8555 on October 21, 2018, 09:46:22 AM
Post by: jose34 on October 21, 2018, 11:42:40 AM
now that arkia is taking delivery of 2 airbus 321 LR NEO, and overhauling their fleet ....
theres been some talk of them entering the tlv-nyc route 6x week, with A330-900NEO, anyone else hear/read that...
how would that do?
Arkia is not associated with Elal?
Post by: ExGingi on October 21, 2018, 11:59:08 AM
Arkia is not associated with Elal?No. And they have flights scheduled on Shabbos IINM.
Post by: shapsam on October 21, 2018, 01:14:00 PM
Arkia is not associated with Elal?Elal almost bought Arkia but an Israeli court didn't let.
Post by: yandmk on October 21, 2018, 01:41:50 PM
Elal almost bought Arkia but an Israeli court didn't let.That was Israir, not Arkia
Post by: shapsam on October 21, 2018, 01:49:26 PM
That was Israir, not ArkiaOh
Post by: kargagaliciana on October 21, 2018, 09:21:25 PM
Post by: helpyouamdme on October 21, 2018, 09:26:16 PM
Just noticed on ITA matrix is showing elal $4000 business class tickets RT nyc to tlv wide open availability on all dates all flights. Tried booking it on expedia and these fares are not showing up. Is there any way to get those fares?https://bookwithmatrix.com/0b4543b5a1e9db6f3009db40dee39aec
Post by: helpyouamdme on October 21, 2018, 09:27:13 PM
Just noticed on ITA matrix is showing elal $4000 business class tickets RT nyc to tlv wide open availability on all dates all flights. Tried booking it on expedia and these fares are not showing up. Is there any way to get those fares?By the way United has with $100 more and a better product
Post by: yandmk on October 21, 2018, 09:29:06 PM
Just noticed on ITA matrix is showing elal $4000 business class tickets RT nyc to tlv wide open availability on all dates all flights. Tried booking it on expedia and these fares are not showing up. Is there any way to get those fares?Make sure the "Only show flights and prices with available seats" box is checked.
Post by: helpyouamdme on October 21, 2018, 09:36:02 PM
Make sure the "Only show flights and prices with available seats" box is checked.It is checked And there is a lot of availability even with United
Post by: yandmk on October 21, 2018, 09:42:16 PM
It is checked And there is a lot of availability even with UnitedI was responding to the one who said his dates weren't available on Expedia. Not helpful enough to know that the box is checked by you.
Post by: helpyouamdme on October 21, 2018, 09:43:21 PM
Post by: yandmk on October 21, 2018, 09:48:26 PM
Sample date with UnitedBtw, both these flights you chose are the old UA configuration. Most prefer the LY Dreamliner over that aircraft. Also, why would you use a agency like flightnetwork when you can book the same thing on Priceline, Orbitz or Expedia?
Post by: helpyouamdme on October 21, 2018, 09:53:48 PM
Btw, both these flights you chose are the old UA configuration. Most prefer the LY Dreamliner over that aircraft. Also, why would you use a agency like flightnetwork when you can book the same thing on Priceline, Orbitz or Expedia?You are right, I just selected the first option book with ita matrix gave me.
Post by: luv2trvlwithfam on October 22, 2018, 03:14:13 AM
No. And they have flights scheduled on Shabbos IINM.
so does elal, @Dan posted a bunch of articles about it....
@Dan whats your take on arkia on the nyc-tlv route?
Post by: luv2trvlwithfam on October 22, 2018, 03:20:12 AM
Did everyone notice that Cobalt is a goner?
sad, as it was after trying to replace cyprus airs
and the Danish airline Primera Air also went belly up ....
Post by: moe8555 on October 22, 2018, 04:35:43 AM
sad, as it was after trying to replace cyprus airs
and the Danish airline Primera Air also went belly up ....
Yeah, I always thought Cobalt was on the up and up. They had just introduced a real business class, and even a type of frequent flyer club (only benefits, no mileage...).
Post by: ExGingi on October 22, 2018, 07:34:04 AM
-1
so does elal, @Dan posted a bunch of articles about it....
ELAL doesn't have flights scheduled on Shabbos (which doesn't mean that they are not mechallel Shabbos, but it obviously does have some value).
I challenge you to bring a quote from @Dan that says that ELAL has regular flights SCHEDULED on Shabbos.
Post by: Dan on October 22, 2018, 08:24:25 AM
@Dan whats your take on arkia on the nyc-tlv route?What can be bad about more competition?
Post by: luv2trvlwithfam on October 22, 2018, 08:48:21 AM
-1
ELAL doesn't have flights scheduled on Shabbos (which doesn't mean that they are not mechallel Shabbos, but it obviously does have some value).
I challenge you to bring a quote from @Dan that says that ELAL has regular flights SCHEDULED on Shabbos.
Here’s How El Al Circumvents Shabbos Flight Restrictions
https://www.dansdeals.com/points-travel/airlines/airline-news/heres-el-al-gets-around-shabbos-flight-restrictions/
Post by: luv2trvlwithfam on October 22, 2018, 08:51:20 AM
What can be bad about more competition?
@Dan would like to discuss this with you offline?
Post by: Dan on October 22, 2018, 10:05:25 AM
@Dan would like to discuss this with you offline?Erm, why not discuss right here?
Post by: shimino1 on October 22, 2018, 10:49:41 AM
Did everyone notice that Cobalt is a goner?Sad if this is true.
I liked their flight times, they had great prices and they left from Terminal 3.
Post by: Yaalili on October 22, 2018, 11:13:27 AM
Sad if this is true.
I liked their flight times, they had great prices and they left from Terminal 3.
“Cobalt regrets to announce that it will be cancelling all Flights as of 23:50pm on October 17, 2018 due to indefinite suspension of Cobalt’s operations. As a result, future flights or services provided by Cobalt will be cancelled and will no longer operate.
Passengers who have un-flown tickets are instructed not to go to Larnaca Airport or any departure airport tomorrow, 18 October 2018 as no Cobalt flights will operate and no Cobalt staff will be present.
For refunds, please contact your credit card provider or Travel Agent.
We sincerely apologise once again and would like to thank our very loyal customers for their support over the last two years of Cobalt operations.”
Post by: yelped on October 22, 2018, 11:49:26 AM
Post by: grodnoking on October 22, 2018, 12:26:20 PM
Sad if this is true.Is there anywhere to get a list if who flies out of terminal 3 & 1?
I liked their flight times, they had great prices and they left from Terminal 3.
Post by: ExGingi on October 23, 2018, 03:40:43 PM
Does that article say anything about regular ELAL flights on a Shabbos schedule?
Here’s How El Al Circumvents Shabbos Flight Restrictions
https://www.dansdeals.com/points-travel/airlines/airline-news/heres-el-al-gets-around-shabbos-flight-restrictions/
Post by: Baglach on October 24, 2018, 05:07:27 PM
Link in Hebrew
https://passportnews.co.il/קתאי-פסיפיק-מגדילה-תדירויות-תפעיל-טיס/
Post by: shapsam on October 24, 2018, 05:27:03 PM
CX upgrading TLV-HKG to daily route
Link in Hebrew
https://passportnews.co.il/קתאי-פסיפיק-מגדילה-תדירויות-תפעיל-טיס/
Quote
מנכ"ל החברה בישראל: "הקו לת"א אחד מהקווים בעלי אחוזי הצמיחה המהירים ביותר של החברה אי פעםWow!
Post by: yandmk on October 24, 2018, 05:42:30 PM
Wow!Wow is right. Though this shameful airline doesn't deserve any of our money #thieves
(too long to go into details, but the horror story I had with them was far worse than anything else I've had in all the years I work in the industry. Worst customer relations department ever!)
Post by: yandmk on October 25, 2018, 11:24:45 AM
Post by: tavster on October 25, 2018, 11:28:48 AM
El Al launching nonstop service to NCE starting March 31My colleague booked return flights for $247 in April
Post by: yandmk on October 25, 2018, 11:34:26 AM
Post by: Proisrael on October 25, 2018, 11:45:23 AM
CX upgrading TLV-HKG to daily route
Link in Hebrew
https://passportnews.co.il/קתאי-פסיפיק-מגדילה-תדירויות-תפעיל-טיס/
Just flew the A350-1000 on this route. Very high load factor Sold out business and premium economy.
Post by: tavster on October 25, 2018, 11:55:11 AM
Looks like 3x weekly for now. Didn't AF recently fly this route? Anyone know why they stopped?If I remember correctly both AF and Easyjet have seasonal flights in the summer, which they typically advertise in December-January.. I might be wrong
Post by: Proisrael on October 25, 2018, 12:17:43 PM
If I remember correctly both AF and Easyjet have seasonal flights in the summer, which they typically advertise in December-January.. I might be wrong
Easy Jet has flights on Shabbos for under USD $100 or mid week for $150
Post by: Yaalili on October 25, 2018, 07:39:30 PM
Post by: tavster on October 26, 2018, 12:32:11 AM
From LY Instagram.It's in line with the schedules you have posted in the past, right?
Post by: Yaalili on October 30, 2018, 05:47:03 AM
This route is operated by Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner aircraft.
AI139 DEL1650 – 2045TLV 788 x35
AI140 TLV2215 – 0815+1DEL 788 x35
Post by: tavster on October 31, 2018, 01:37:50 PM
Post by: ExGingi on October 31, 2018, 07:18:14 PM
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-arkia-to-offer-flights-to-vietnam-1001258722Was going to post it here when I saw the headline, but when I read the details and found out that it's all about marketing follow on flights to their BKK route, I decided to pass.
Post by: zow on October 31, 2018, 07:34:14 PM
We will be flying on Iberia ex-TLV at 0530 mid-week, a few days after Pesach. How early will we be able to check in and get past security to the Lounge and Schmoozy Bar? The Bar and one of the Dan lounges indicate they are open 24h.
Could we possibly check in as early as 11:30pm or MN?
TIA
Post by: a mirrer on November 01, 2018, 01:25:36 AM
Question:with luggage you will have to wait for Iberia to open their check in desks at most likely 3 hours before the flight
We will be flying on Iberia ex-TLV at 0530 mid-week, a few days after Pesach. How early will we be able to check in and get past security to the Lounge and Schmoozy Bar? The Bar and one of the Dan lounges indicate they are open 24h.
Could we possibly check in as early as 11:30pm or MN?
TIA
Post by: zow on November 01, 2018, 12:39:37 PM
with luggage you will have to wait for Iberia to open their check in desks at most likely 3 hours before the flightThank you. That's what I was afraid of. It is consistent with what the IAA website says -- "Iberia opens for check in 3h prior."
Post by: Yaalili on November 05, 2018, 06:58:33 AM
Reservation for this route is not available.
LY301 TLV0800 – 1140MAN 738 247
LY302 MAN1300 – 2015TLV 738 247
Service operates Day 47 from 03OCT19 to 10OCT19, Day 24 from 15OCT19 to 24OCT19.
Post by: Yaalili on November 06, 2018, 07:23:38 AM
LY053 TLV0550 – 1430JNB 789 5
LY053 TLV2300 – 0735+1JNB 789 37
LY052 JNB2215 – 0650+1TLV 789 146
The 787-9 is also scheduled as one-off flight on 27SEP19 and 18OCT19, TLV departure.
Post by: Yaalili on November 09, 2018, 10:07:33 AM
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/68049-kenya-airways-eyes-sudanese-transit-rights-for-israel-ops
Kenya Airways To Start Direct Flights To Israel In March 2019 - https://businesstimes.co.ke/kenya-airways-direct-flights-israel/
Post by: Yaalili on November 09, 2018, 10:09:10 AM
Post by: ExGingi on November 09, 2018, 10:55:01 AM
Kenya Airways To Start Direct Flights To Israel In March 2019 - https://businesstimes.co.ke/kenya-airways-direct-flights-israel/FB partner IINM.
Post by: Yaalili on November 09, 2018, 11:05:57 AM
FB partner IINM.
Yup and they’re part of skyteam.
Post by: tavster on November 12, 2018, 05:10:18 AM
Post by: Yaalili on November 12, 2018, 06:52:24 AM
LY signs code share with Vietnam Airlines - Bloomberg reports
Planned codeshare routes in effect from 01NOV18 (approximately; or later) as follows.
El Al Israel Airlines operated by Vietnam Airlines
Bangkok – Hanoi
Bangkok – Ho Chi Minh City
Hong Kong – Hanoi
Hong Kong – Ho Chi Minh City
Vietnam Airlines operated by El Al Israel Airlines
Tel Aviv – Bangkok
Tel Aviv – Hong Kong
Post by: chff on November 13, 2018, 03:06:41 PM
Nice new route! TAP often has very good economy and business class fares, which can work one way too. They also offer a free stopover in Lisbon option.
Lisbon – Tel Aviv eff 31MAR19 1 daily A321 (Previously served from October 1993 to April 1997)
TP1603 LIS1420 – 2130TLV 321 D
TP1604 TLV0505 – 0900LIS 321 D
TAP J class JFK-TLV $1465, TLV-JFK $1315. Good option, but a pretty poor product considering the long LIS-TLV flight
Refundable with a $150 charge is great.
Real J?
ohey, @tapairportugal A321neoLR!
— Jason Rabinowitz (@AirlineFlyer) November 13, 2018
It's basically the JetBlue Mint config. Loaded in the schedule starting October 27 2019 on the LIS-TLV (RON) TLV-LIS daytime flights. #PaxEx #AvGeek pic.twitter.com/QxQ2zKCRxI
Post by: Yaalili on November 13, 2018, 03:11:38 PM
Real J?
Wow, good find.
Post by: ExGingi on November 13, 2018, 04:37:08 PM
Wow, good find.+1
How are the connection times going JFK-LIS-TLV and vice versa?
Post by: Yaalili on November 13, 2018, 05:16:06 PM
+1
How are the connection times going JFK-LIS-TLV and vice versa?
JFK-LIS 11:25pm-11:15am.
LIS-TLV 2:20pm-9:30pm.
TLV-LIS 5:05am-9:00am
LIS-JFK 5:10pm-8:00pm.
They also fly LIS-EWR at 12:55pm-3:50pm.
Post by: ExGingi on November 13, 2018, 06:42:13 PM
JFK-LIS 11:25pm-11:15am.What equipment on the JFK and EWR routes? Decent lounge in LIS?
LIS-TLV 2:20pm-9:30pm.
TLV-LIS 5:05am-9:00am
LIS-JFK 5:10pm-8:00pm.
They also fly LIS-EWR at 12:55pm-3:50pm.
Post by: Yaalili on November 13, 2018, 07:14:53 PM
What equipment on the JFK and EWR routes? Decent lounge in LIS?
A330. Decent lounge nothing special. Also the lounge is only in the Schengen area so you need to leave yourself time for customs after.
Post by: Kabrams1618 on November 13, 2018, 11:13:21 PM
Post by: Yaalili on November 13, 2018, 11:22:51 PM
If you fly tel aviv to eilat, can you walk to the north beach from the airport or do you land outside the city?
ETH airport is about a 25 minute walk from the Hotels zone.
Post by: Baglach on November 14, 2018, 05:52:08 PM
https://passportnews.co.il/אייר-אירופה-מתרחבת-פותחת-קווים-לקזבלנ/
Post by: Yaalili on November 14, 2018, 07:31:30 PM
Air Europa is adding TLV-Casablanca
https://passportnews.co.il/אייר-אירופה-מתרחבת-פותחת-קווים-לקזבלנ/
-1
They are adding MAD-CMN:
UX1113 MAD 23: 25-00: 15 CMN 1--4567
UX1112 CMN 02: 15-04: 50 MAD 12--567
Post by: yochai on November 14, 2018, 07:46:32 PM
-1True. IINM Israel and Morocco don’t have any official diplomatic relations.
They are adding MAD-CMN:
UX1113 MAD 23: 25-00: 15 CMN 1--4567
UX1112 CMN 02: 15-04: 50 MAD 12--567
Post by: ExGingi on November 14, 2018, 10:46:41 PM
Arkia takes delivery of its first A321neo LR. Hopes to start service to Goa, India.
According to Hebrew news sources (https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001260544) they are also hoping to start service to NY when they take delivery of their A330-900 in about 2 years.
Post by: zow on November 15, 2018, 08:43:53 PM
The “problem”: we have 0500 departure on IB TLV-MAD, and we have bags to check. We would like to get to the airport the preceding evening and spend the time in Schmoozy Bar and Dan Lounge.
The proposed solution:
1. Online check-in (should be available 24h before flight)
2. Store luggage at TLV land-side (e.g., http://www.adonlocker.co.il/airport_lockers)
3. Clear security with carry-ons only.
4. Clear Immigration
5. Enjoy Bar and lounge for ~6 hours.
6. Around 0200, exit sterile zone (will I even be allowed?)
7. Retrieve bags from locker.
8. Check bags and clear security and immigration again).
9. Enjoy the lounge for a few more hours.
10. Depart 0500
I worry that the clearing immigration thing is going to be the problem....
Post by: Ergel on November 16, 2018, 12:11:28 AM
Post by: davidrotts63 on November 16, 2018, 04:13:37 AM
Is this plan too crazy? Would it even work, given Immigration and Security? Are there better ideas?I intend to fly that flight soon as well, ideally I'd like to arrive around 1 am, it's much easier to travel to the airport late at night.
The “problem”: we have 0500 departure on IB TLV-MAD, and we have bags to check. We would like to get to the airport the preceding evening and spend the time in Schmoozy Bar and Dan Lounge.
The proposed solution:
1. Online check-in (should be available 24h before flight)
2. Store luggage at TLV land-side (e.g., http://www.adonlocker.co.il/airport_lockers)
3. Clear security with carry-ons only.
4. Clear Immigration
5. Enjoy Bar and lounge for ~6 hours.
6. Around 0200, exit sterile zone (will I even be allowed?)
7. Retrieve bags from locker.
8. Check bags and clear security and immigration again).
9. Enjoy the lounge for a few more hours.
10. Depart 0500
I worry that the clearing immigration thing is going to be the problem....
I'd love to hear back if you do try this...
Post by: travel agent on November 16, 2018, 06:42:00 AM
Post by: zow on November 16, 2018, 07:03:27 AM
Why in the world would you want to do that? 9 hours in the airport sounds like a nightmare. Why not get a few hours of sleep and show up to the airport at 3 AM?
First, I will need to drop rental car, so would want to arrive at airport at 2:00am, means leaving Jlem 1:30 or so. Hard to get much sleep before then, not to mention it means taking an extra night in hotel or AirBnB.
I intend to fly that flight soon as well, ideally I'd like to arrive around 1 am, it's much easier to travel to the airport late at night.
I'd love to hear back if you do try this...
Probably won’t try it, because, as I suspected...
you cant exit airside without a real reason, missed flight etc.
Thanks everyone.
Post by: ExGingi on November 16, 2018, 07:23:02 AM
First, I will need to drop rental car, so would want to arrive at airport at 2:00am, means leaving Jlem 1:30 or so. Hard to get much sleep before then, not to mention it means taking an extra night in hotel or AirBnB.
Probably won’t try it, because, as I suspected...
Thanks everyone.
With so many westbound flights leaving around 5am, I don't know why they don't make some kind of accommodation at LLBG so that it doesn't turn into an extra wasted night.
Post by: jose34 on November 17, 2018, 12:28:56 PM
I intend to fly that flight soon as well, ideally I'd like to arrive around 1 am, it's much easier to travel to the airport late at night.
I'd love to hear back if you do try this...
+1.
Would love to for someone to try this just to see if it can be done.
How would you leave the sterile area?
Does security care and can they tell if you scan your boarding pass twice?
Post by: zow on November 17, 2018, 05:55:17 PM
+1.+1
Would love to for someone to try this just to see if it can be done.
How would you leave the sterile area?
Does security care and can they tell if you scan your boarding pass twice?
I won’t try it myself, because I really would need to get out (to grab and check my luggage) and back in. It would be great if someone with carry-on luggage only would try it, because if they get denied exit, there is no property loss for them.
Post by: theyankel on November 18, 2018, 09:36:23 PM
any feedback from experts here would be most appreciated
Post by: cdlaz on November 20, 2018, 07:55:38 AM
Meal: "will be a full tray"
Tray table has a tablet holder
Aisle seat's armrest lowers totally allowing you to slide out even if you still have your tray down
More comfortable than the current Economy+ seat for sure
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 20, 2018, 08:36:09 AM
Post by: Yaalili on November 20, 2018, 09:06:51 AM
United ex LHR switched from Hermolis to Stogel. Hermolis is trying to get it back.
Wrong thread for that.
Hermolis to Stogel.. those are opposites. Even AA serves Hermolis ex-UK and United usually copies them.
Post by: shimino1 on November 20, 2018, 09:39:24 AM
United ex LHR switched from Hermolis to Stogel. Hermolis is trying to get it back.Source? That would be terrible!!!
Post by: travel agent on November 26, 2018, 09:32:07 AM
Post by: Yaalili on November 26, 2018, 09:33:48 AM
air transat cancelled their route to TLV
Not returning next summer? Was seasonal route.
Post by: travel agent on November 26, 2018, 09:37:02 AM
Not returning next summer? Was seasonal route.
right, was removed yesterday
Post by: Proisrael on November 26, 2018, 09:40:10 AM
Not returning next summer? Was seasonal route.
Its gone from their site completely..
Post by: Yaalili on November 26, 2018, 09:52:08 AM
right, was removed yesterday
Hopefully AC stays on the route. They only started it in response to Air Transat starting theirs.
Post by: Yaalili on November 26, 2018, 10:36:32 AM
air transat cancelled their route to TLV
My nephew (studying in Israel) has a return ticket with them in September, 2019. Did not get any email.
Post by: travel agent on November 26, 2018, 10:44:04 AM
My nephew (studying in Israel) has a return ticket with them in September, 2019. Did not get any email.
dont expect it the first day after the cancellation, anyway keep updating if the will protect on AC.
Post by: tavster on November 29, 2018, 07:26:33 AM
I'm wondering if they will get to fly over Saudia Arabia?
Post by: Yaalili on November 29, 2018, 07:28:48 AM
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-vietnam-airlines-to-launch-tel-aviv-hanoi-flights-1001262727
I'm wondering if they will get to fly over Saudia Arabia?
No need for them to, according to GCMap.
Post by: moisheyb on November 29, 2018, 07:29:49 AM
No need for them to, according to GCMap.Doesn't that map take them over Iran, Iraq and or Pakistan?
Post by: ExGingi on November 29, 2018, 07:30:46 AM
Doesn't that map take them over Iran, Iraq and or Pakistan?Exactly. ::)
Post by: tavster on November 29, 2018, 07:32:03 AM
Exactly. ::)Excellent ;D
Post by: moisheyb on November 29, 2018, 07:32:18 AM